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The Atlantic's McCain Cover

Politics | Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:30:31 am PDT

Gerard Vanderleun posts about some quite amazing perfidy from The Atlantic and photographer Jill Greenberg, whose photo shoot with John McCain was deliberately set up to produce ominous, threatening pictures—by using outright trickery: Out-Takes: Behind The Atlantic’s McCain Cover.

At Photo District News, there’s an article with more details, and Greenberg’s own words about this disgraceful episode: PDNPulse: How Jill Greenberg Really Feels About John McCain.

When The Atlantic called Jill Greenberg, a committed Democrat, to shoot a portrait of John McCain for its October cover, she rubbed her hands with glee.

She delivered the image the magazine asked for—a shot that makes the Republican presidential nominee look heroic. Greenberg is well known for her highly retouched images of bears and crying babies. But she didn’t bother to do much retouching on her McCain images. “I left his eyes red and his skin looking bad,” she says.

After getting that shot, Greenberg asked McCain to “please come over here” for one more set-up before the 15-minute shoot was over. There, she had a beauty dish with a modeling light set up. “That’s what he thought he was being lit by,” Greenberg says. “But that wasn’t firing.”

What was firing was a strobe positioned below him, which cast the horror movie shadows across his face and on the wall right behind him. “He had no idea he was being lit from below,” Greenberg says. And his handlers didn’t seem to notice it either. “I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

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1 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:32:05am

Disfuckingpicable.

2 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:32:36am

She is only the tip of the iceberg. And to be so arrogant to say it out loud and so proudly. What a fool. And the left keeps wondering why they keep losing elections?

3 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:32:37am

Wow you sure punked McCain, didn't you honey?

The childish left will lose the white house again.

4 Shug  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:32:39am

Their tired pathetic act is getting old.

It's a new time in America. Every time they do this, they lose another subscription, another viewer, another vote.

With each passing minute they become less and less important.

5 slotgun  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:32:40am

How very shocked I am to see this kind of thing going on.

6 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:32:47am

Bastards! I hope this news spreads everywhere. The media must go DOWN!

7 Aelius Rex  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:33:22am

What a cheap shot artist.

8 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:33:25am

How very sweet and subtle.

9 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:33:41am

Ooh, how clever, you worthless scum.

10 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:33:51am

The rest of us don't need fancy and deceptive lighting to know how ugly is Greenberg's soul.

11 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:33:56am

Charles, you gotta post the "I am a bloodthirsty warmonger" Photoshop the photographer published.

Completely insane that the McCain campaign would allow such a deranged moonbat to take his picture.

12 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:34:04am

Thank you Charles. I think Gerard's suggestion of contacting her clients is a good one. I already contacted Proctor & Gamble. Having worked for them, I know how Middle America they are--and proud of it-- and know they would be appalled by such vile images this deranged photographer conjured up.

13 CactusJack  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:34:06am

disgusting.

14 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:34:17am

Perusing her art on google image search,

I've seen better airbrushing in the 80's.

15 ggt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:34:38am

Nice that they take the high road.

////

16 Gmac  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:34:42am

So much for her opinion on how she feels. Perhaps the public can express its disgust with her underhanded tactics by politely telling her she's no longer needed.

17 reine.de.tout  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:34:59am
“I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

Because, of course, that's what really counts, isn't it? A person's level of "sophistication".

Perhaps, not being a devious person, he was simply trusting her to do her job?

Despicable.

18 sngnsgt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:35:02am

Just pictures!

19 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:35:03am
20 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:35:31am

Personally I like the picture. I hope McCain sends one to Comrade Putin when he is elected President.

21 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:35:37am

No Halos for YOU! so sayeth jill greenberg.

This really ticks me off.

22 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:35:48am

Stay classy Jill Greenberg!

23 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:35:49am

re: #19 zombie

Here's the warmonger pic.

As childish as it gets.

24 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:36:03am

[Link: americandigest.org...]

Look at her list of clients. BOYCOTT.

25 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:36:51am

Her shit is not even clever.

26 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:36:54am

How is it possible that they keep losing elections.

27 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:37:13am

re: #22 Sizzlack

Stay classy Jill Greenberg!

G-d I hope only her father was Jewish or she is adopted.

28 opnion  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:37:37am

This is a very juvenile tactic. I have noticed among my own extended family & friends that the Lib's seem to be very unacquainted with maturity.

29 loggiedog  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:37:42am

Next time don't let a Democrat pro photographer take a picture of him

30 Defector01  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:37:45am

I wonder if shooting the Messiah in a bad light is racist

and someone should smack the editors of Atlantic first for hiring this fundamentalist to take the picture and then for not having the common courtesy to make it look normal

31 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:37:51am

I hope every Lizard that has a subscription to The Atlantic cancels it immediately.

32 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:37:52am

I cannot for the life of me fathom why McCain would allow this photographer, with her political views SO WELL KNOWN take his photo.
And I hope Jill can't find anymore work after McCain wins in November.

33 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:38:13am

re: #31 MandyManners
Amen!

34 Shug  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:38:17am

wait, I get it : He's facing Obama and the light is casting a shadow

/

35 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:38:18am

I'm OK with the picture they used on the cover.

So the photog is a moonbat, lot of that going around.

36 Geepers  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:38:37am
“I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

The irony abounds.

37 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:38:44am

re: #30 Defector01

I wonder if shooting the Messiah in a bad light is racist

and someone should smack the editors of Atlantic first for hiring this fundamentalist to take the picture and then for not having the common courtesy to make it look normal

Remember Kos going bat-shit crazy about that photograph showing him with darker skin?

38 opnion  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Personally I like the picture. I hope McCain sends one to Comrade Putin when he is elected President.

I thought that too & the little Persian & Hugo.

39 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:39:35am

Remember when they took pix of Bush and his advisers in B/W. Think it was that annie lebo whatever that did that. Made them all look ominous and old.

40 Luigi  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:39:43am

I don't think The Atlantic can hurt McCain like this.

I think one of the mistakes the GOP is making this year is to honor and obey the off-limits warnings from the Obama campaign. The McCain campaign seems to have ceded the 'community organizer' issue when the Dems came back strong in their suggestions that the issue was racist. In addition to that being a real and winning campaign issue, allowing the Dems to push the goalposts on this issue encourages them to decide which other issues are okay to talk about. This is dangerous and morally wrong, and it is infectious in that the press quickly gets in the habit of falling in line.

41 Alouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:39:55am

re: #19 zombie

Here's the warmonger pic.

Where is the headless baby he's eating?

42 markx  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:39:59am

Frankly, I have no problem with the cover photo.

He looks like a war-hero to me. Someone who has served his country honorably and it shows in his face.

I see experience. I see the face of a war veteran who has been through hell and survived.

I do not want to see him made-up up as a metrosexual.

Thank you, Greenberg. This too will blow up in you and your ink's face.

God Bless John McCain.

43 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:40:05am

Well hopefully, Ms. Sophisticated finds it much harder to get work now. I ill never knowingly buy anything associated with this misbegotten turd of a woman

44 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:40:13am

re: #35 itellu3times

I'm OK with the picture they used on the cover.

So the photog is a moonbat, lot of that going around.

She tried her best to make him look pasty and decrepit. The lighting emphasized the 72-year-oldness of his skin (on purpose, she says).

Even Marilyn Monroe could be made to look bad, with wrong lighting, and by choosing the outtakes.

45 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:40:32am

re: #6 SpartanWoman
It was covered by Fox and Friends this morning and they wondered the same thing I did: why on earth did McCain allow this woman to take his photos - it's not as if her political feelings are unknown.
I suspect a BIG TIME FUBAR at McCain campaign headquarters. This race is still too close for McCain to relax his vigilence one iota.

46 markx  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:40:33am

re: #31 MandyManners

I hope every Lizard that has a subscription to The Atlantic cancels it immediately.

Both of them?

47 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:40:34am

In other news, the odds for McCain winning in November are at their highest. Just two weeks ago it was 60/40 in Obama's favor, and today it is 52.1/46.7 in McCain's favor. Ahhhnice.

48 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:40:57am

it's so obvious that is NOT how he looks. mccain is an attractive older man.
how childish and ridiculous for the left to behave like this.
pathetic.

49 gman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:00am

It's like whack- a - mole. You hit went on the head and another critter pops up somewhere else. Let's keep up the pressure on these clowns. They have given up fighting issues and instead are resorting to "mean, scary" pictures of their own making.

50 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:01am

re: #41 Alouette

Where is the headless baby he's eating?

Maybe I weird, but the first thing I noticed was " Hey nice Tie!"

51 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:09am

What astounds me (sorry, I'm that kind of person) is how giddy these people are after pulling one of these stunts. It's like an eleven year old soaping someone's windows on Halloween. They're practically peeing in their pants over how clever they are. This isn't all that much different than Obama's McCain technology ad this past week. McCain is too old, too senile to do email! Ha! Got him! We're so great! Then, after the fact, they learn the reality and it's oh sh*t--pull the ad. I can't wait for Jilly's oh sh*t moment.

52 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:12am

re: #34 Shug

wait, I get it : He's facing Obama and the light is casting a shadow

/

It's obviously meant to imply that McCain is a looming shadow of doom (ref: balrog), and likely to burst into flame at any moment. Or as Scott Adams would have it, the Prince of Insufficient Light. OK by me, I have this vision of Palin in one of those red satin demon outfits and fishnets, ...

/oh, is this microphone live?

53 rightside  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:32am

Miserable bags of puke. These people cannot win in the arena of ideas, so they have nothing left but call their opponents childish names, or pull stunts like these. Their next step, violence.

54 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:35am

re: #40 Luigi
Absolutely Spot on Post!

55 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #47 Sizzlack

In other news, the odds for McCain winning in November are at their highest. Just two weeks ago it was 60/40 in Obama's favor, and today it is 52.1/46.7 in McCain's favor. Ahhhnice.

Rumor has it his internal polling (Obama's) is even "worse."

(:

56 reine.de.tout  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:42am

re: #44 zombie

She tried her best to make him look pasty and decrepit. The lighting emphasized the 72-year-oldness of his skin (on purpose, she says).

Even Marilyn Monroe could be made to look bad, with wrong lighting, and by choosing the outtakes.

Well, I like the picture used on the cover. He looks like a real person.
And his lips aren't purple.

57 nyexpat  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:43am

To her credit, she stated in the article that she was surprised that they called her for the job, since they knew how she felt at the outset. The problem is more with the editors at the Atlantic.

58 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:41:43am

On the other hand, perhaps Sen. McCain wants to highlight media bias by using the most stupid and bragging libtard photog in the world?

59 seekeroftruth  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:42:23am

MSM photos:
Obama = halos, saintly
McCain = sinister, scary
Nope, no bias here......
////

60 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:42:39am

re: #44 zombie

She tried her best to make him look pasty and decrepit. The lighting emphasized the 72-year-oldness of his skin (on purpose, she says).

Made him look craggy, experienced.

Maybe her claims are playing to her own audience.

61 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:42:44am

Where's Yosuf Karsh when you need him?

62 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:42:47am

re: #57 nyexpat

To her credit, she stated in the article that she was surprised that they called her for the job, since they knew how she felt at the outset. The problem is more with the editors at the Atlantic.

And they are palying stupid, but I guess that comes naturally to them.

63 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:42:52am
64 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:43:36am

To balance things out, now they need to hire me to take their cover photo of Obama.

(Heh heh heh heh heh.)

65 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:43:50am

re: #44 zombie
Yep, she's PROUD of the fact that she took photos that were unflattering and for a (hopefully) minority of voters will make their decision based on his age.
She's a bitch, period.

66 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:43:52am

Ageism anyone?

67 opnion  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:44:00am

The Libs are getting really nutty now, with their guy in trouble.
They remind me of Yellow Jackets in the Fall. they sense their demise.

68 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:44:11am

re: #64 zombie

To balance things out, now they need to hire me to take their cover photo of Obama.

(Heh heh heh heh heh.)

Do you do Bar Mitvahs and Weddings?

69 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:44:20am

What is this, lunchroom pranksters and playground bullies on parade?

70 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:44:38am

re: #47 Sizzlack

LOL. Hell ya. I look at Sen. McCain and I say "Whooooa. StudMuffin".

/I cannot help myself. I will admit, he wears his scars well.

71 Defector01  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #64 zombie

RACISM!

72 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:44:54am

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

I can't stay on now--be back later--but to pick up on some of the musings in the overnight thread, I think that people might begin to talk to any friends who are not totally Obama-crazed by saying, "I'm supporting the Democrat in this election--John McCain."

Trying to sell Democrats--even non-lefties--on "the conservative candidate" is a non-starter. And frankly, McCain is pretty close to a Henry Jackson Democrat, at least as close to that as he is to being a Reagan Republican, if not more so.

Forget what we say among ourselves. Forget about supporting Palin because she IS conservative. If we want to win over the wavering votes, tell them that you're supporting the Democrat (McCain) over the radical leftist (Obama), and see what that does.

Just a thought.

BBL

That's been my strategy since the 2004 election. It works a treat!

73 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:45:03am

I actually get very unsettled, sometimes, seeing McCain in pancake makeup for public appearances.

Fred Thompson is the king of jowels. The cover photo here moves McCain in that direction, and it can be a good thing. Now, shoot a contrasting picture of Obama, wearing nothing but a diaper and sucking a pacifier, and see which pic attracts the votes.

74 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:45:32am

re: #67 opnion

The Libs are getting really nutty now, with their guy in trouble.
They remind me of Yellow Jackets in the Fall. they sense their demise.

oh, that's why they get 'drunk' on all that fermented fruit laying around on the ground.

75 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:45:35am

re: #57 nyexpat

No, it was a fuckup by the McCain campaign to agree to having her be the photographer.
As far as I'm concerned the only difference between what she did and what Dan Rather did with the forged TANG memos is that she openly admitts she was trying to influence voters with her crap.

76 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #43 SpartanWoman

Well hopefully, Ms. Sophisticated finds it much harder to get work now. I ill never knowingly buy anything associated with this misbegotten turd of a woman

Are you gonna' contact the companies that use her?

77 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:45:57am

re: #73 itellu3times

I actually get very unsettled, sometimes, seeing McCain in pancake makeup for public appearances.

Fred Thompson is the king of jowels. The cover photo here moves McCain in that direction, and it can be a good thing. Now, shoot a contrasting picture of Obama, wearing nothing but a diaper and sucking a pacifier, and see which pic attracts the votes.

They will be attracted by his pristine youth and promise for the future..lol

78 media_man  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:46:08am

Just rec'd my edition & the cover shot was about as awful a picture as you could imagine. The lede was "Why War is the Answer", equally repellant as the photo.

At this point, the MSM coverage of McCain is so over the top biased, I really don't think these types of "hit jobs" hurts McCain, in fact they might even help. I didn't read the article yet but I'm sure it's awful.

The Atlantic has really fallen in quality since the tragic death of Michael Kelly in Iraq. This type of "drive by media" reporting just drives that point home.

79 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:46:10am

re: #46 markx

Both of them?

LOL!

80 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:46:12am

The kind of photography Jilly can't hope to attain
http://www.masters-of-photography.com/K/karsh/kars h_churchill_full.html

81 Mark1957  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:46:34am

If Obama has "friends" like these, then he doesn't need enemies.

Here's my cunning plan:

Instead of getting outraged, McCain should double-dare Greenberg to photograph Sarah Palin. If Greenberg pulls the same act with Palin, then Obama, and The Atlantic, will be T.O.A.S.T.

82 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:47:12am

re: #55 astronmr20
I hope you're right, but where did you hear those "Rumors"?

83 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:47:12am

re: #70 Cap'n DOC

LOL. Hell ya. I look at Sen. McCain and I say "Whooooa. StudMuffin".

/I cannot help myself. I will admit, he wears his scars well.

You should see him in person!
Tall and fit and ramrod straight.
He is an attractive man, with emphasis on the man part.

84 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:47:22am

Maybe they can use the "mole" picture from my "Seven Things About Obama I Never Knew Before" photo essay.

85 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:47:29am

McCain is a war monger because he thinks we should go after people trying to destroy this country- so that justifies portraying him as evil.

Meanwhile- 0bama sees no problem letting babies die if their abortion produces them alive by accident. This justifies portraying him as the messiah?

These people make me sick.

86 ggt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:47:37am

The only thing I've noticed is that sometimes McCain looks ghostly white and topped by white hair, it makes him look terrible. He needs to try to get into the sun a little more (which he probably tries to avoid because of cancer risk), or he needs a better make-up artist or a staffer who really knows lighting and will make sure he is lit properly.

87 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:47:49am

Another case of the sophisticates pulling another one over on the rubes. Keep it up. Each time it happens, McCain gets a bounce in the polls. Gotta' place a chunk of blame on McCain and his team here, as unpopular as this notion might be. Doesn't McCain have his OWN photographer? If not, why not?

It's not like he doesn't know the Left will seize every opportunity for a gotchya moment, so it's only prudent to control as much of your image that gets released to them for distribution, doesn't it?

88 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:48:16am

re: #57 nyexpat

To her credit, she stated in the article that she was surprised that they called her for the job, since they knew how she felt at the outset. The problem is more with the editors at the Atlantic.

Precisely. However, Greenberg needs to be held accountable, too.

89 addison  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:48:22am
“I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

Or perhaps they assumed a photographer contracted by a publication would not stoop to allowing her petty politics to play a dominant role in a simple photo shoot. Perhaps it is you who lacks sophistication, as a sophisticate would do job first, politics second, not vice versa.

You should all see the cover picture. It is worse, actually. The contrasting highlights McCain's wrinkles and the end effect is he looks like a large white raisin about to pop.

[And what right-leaning person still subscribes to The Atlantic? They became unreadable after the death of the great Michael Kelly. Keep in mind, these are people who pay money for Andrew Sullivan's deranged screeds.]

90 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:48:41am

re: #58 SpartanWoman

On the other hand, perhaps Sen. McCain wants to highlight media bias by using the most stupid and bragging libtard photog in the world?

Rove, you miserable bastard!

91 WeddingGuy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:49:21am

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Personally I like the picture. I hope McCain sends one to Comrade Putin when he is elected President.

I'm with you. He's big... he's bad... and he's on OUR side. Suck eggs Pooti-poot!

92 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:49:22am

The greatest quality about Americans used to be a sense of fair play. Or am I getting that confused with a Frank Capra movie?

93 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:49:23am

re: #90 MandyManners

Rove, you miserable bastard!

Wait. Is that the correct adjective?

94 Alouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:49:28am

I have not yet seen an unflattering photo of Sarah Palin. The libs must be going batshit.

95 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:49:31am

I just received my first issue of Atlantic monthly. I had some expiring frequent flyer miles and used some of them to get Atlantic for a year. So the first issue I get is the one with McCain on the cover. And on the mailing label is the customer service number, which I will be calling in a few minutes.

I will tell them to cancel the subscription. So much for trying to get some measured and balanced perspective from the political left. Sadly, it does not appear to be possible.

Is it against LGF protocol to post the customer service number for others who want to register their opinion on this topic?

96 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:49:41am

At least US Magazine had a nice photo of Gov. Palin on the cover.

97 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:50:11am

re: #94 Alouette

I have not yet seen an unflattering photo of Sarah Palin. The libs must be going batshit.

I dunno -- her thighs were a little flabby in that bikini/gun photo.

/s

98 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:50:12am

On your right, McCain and Palin, in khaki, holding automatic weapons, in shadow, guarding a mountain of Budweiser.

On your left, Obama and Biden, barefoot in togas, radiating light, in a field of arugala.

Vote.

99 Archimedes  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:50:12am

This is what republicans don't do as a rule and liberals do. Multiply that by 1,000, or 10,000, to get a sense of all of the negative images liberals create of republicans in various publications, on tv shows, etc. ... these are the sort of subtle tools they use to vilify people.

To be sure, it doesn't affect those who go by ideas, but I know it affects some people.

100 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:50:23am

re: #86 ggt

which he probably tries to avoid because of cancer risk

101 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #93 MandyManners

Wait. Is that the correct adjective?

Magnificent.

102 addison  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:05am

re: #95 _RememberTonyC

Is it against LGF protocol to post the customer service number for others who want to register their opinion on this topic?


I wouldn't think so; it's the number to a business, not a residence, the latter being a no-no.

103 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:07am

re: #96 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

At least US Magazine had a nice photo of Gov. Palin on the cover.

They're selling beauty.

104 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:14am

Actually I would like to send the scary pic to Ahmadinejad with the message 'John McCain is a crazy American bastard and he WILL fuck you up!"

105 Archimedes  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:17am

re: #64 zombie

To balance things out, now they need to hire me to take their cover photo of Obama.

(Heh heh heh heh heh.)

A dumbo silhouette? Maybe Bullwinkle shadowing him? haha

106 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:18am

re: #97 zombie

LOL. Whadda you lookin' at?

107 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:32am

this will backfire too.
and badly.

108 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:32am

re: #80 jemima

The kind of photography Jilly can't hope to attain
http://www.masters-of-photography.com/K/ karsh/karsh_churchill_full.html

Legend has it that Karsh got Churchill to look so grim by taking his cigar out of his hands!

109 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:51:51am

re: #102 addison

I wouldn't think so; it's the number to a business, not a residence, the latter being a no-no.

No I don't believe Charles allows phone numbers to be posted.

I did it once because I didn't know and he deleted my post.

110 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:52:10am

re: #108 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Legend has it that Karsh got Churchill to look so grim by taking his cigar out of his hands!

Heh, I like that!

111 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:52:14am

re: #95 _RememberTonyC

I just received my first issue of Atlantic monthly. I had some expiring frequent flyer miles and used some of them to get Atlantic for a year. So the first issue I get is the one with McCain on the cover. And on the mailing label is the customer service number, which I will be calling in a few minutes.

I will tell them to cancel the subscription. So much for trying to get some measured and balanced perspective from the political left. Sadly, it does not appear to be possible.

Is it against LGF protocol to post the customer service number for others who want to register their opinion on this topic?

You could post the ContactUs section of the Web site.

112 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:52:21am

#108
That's what my photography professor told us.

113 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:52:57am

re: #111 MandyManners

You could post the ContactUs section of the Web site.

Uh...the link to the ContactUs section.

114 addison  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:53:03am

re: #109 Typicalwhitey

No I don't believe Charles allows phone numbers to be posted.

I did it once because I didn't know and he deleted my post.

Touché.

115 steve miller  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:53:37am

Well now, let's remember. This could be another magnificent head-fake.

McCain allowing this lets him keep the high ground AND keep up the drumbeat of "those leftists are crazy-mad; you want someone like THEM in the White House?"

116 Archimedes  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:53:43am

re: #96 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

At least US Magazine had a nice photo of Gov. Palin on the cover.

Not really. It was okay, but Palin is a beautiful woman who doesn't really show her beauty off fully. I've seen some pics of her that prove that. Let her hair down, remove the glasses, etc. I know she'd be scintillating.

117 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:54:09am

re: #114 addison

I suppose 1-800-GET-SOME is out of the question then...

118 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:54:28am

re: #99 Archimedes

Multiply that by 1,000, or 10,000, to get a sense of all of the negative images liberals create of republicans in various publications, on tv shows, etc. ... these are the sort of subtle tools they use to vilify people.

Then, multiply that by the slant in the written text of their articles. Then add on the bias of what they choose to cover and what they choose to ignore.

The end result: the existing media have completely destroyed whatever credibility they may have once had. Now, it's actually going into to negatives: believe assume the opposite of what the media says to be true.

The media literally don't know what to do anymore -- every tactic they try ends up being couthnerproductive.

119 NYexpat  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:54:45am

re: #75 realwest

Oh, I agree with you about McCain's handlers falling down on this one.He has made a big deal out of media bias, (rightly so) and should have known better. I was only speaking from the perspective of the magazine.

120 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:54:59am

re: #115 steve miller

Well now, let's remember. This could be another magnificent head-fake.

McCain allowing this lets him keep the high ground AND keep up the drumbeat of "those leftists are crazy-mad; you want someone like THEM in the White House?"

i was just thinking that maybe mccain set THEM up.
lol

121 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:55:06am

Obama's Foreign Policy Mentor
Where John McCain goes, Barack eventually follows.

He has 300 foreign policy advisers and the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee is his vice presidential nominee. And yet Barack Obama's foreign policy is still all twists and turns, forever adapting to every change in the political circumstances.

Terrorist surveillance? Obama was against this year's revision to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, until he voted for it.

Negotiations with rogue dictators? In 2007 Obama pledged to meet with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his friends "without precondition." But that was so last year. These days, Obama hedges. He says "preparations" will take place before any summits, and that those summits will occur only if he thinks they will further American national security interests.

The surge? Obama was a vocal opponent. He predicted that sending reinforcements to Iraq and changing strategy would not just fail but indeed make things worse. Didn't happen, of course. And now the other day Obama said the surge has succeeded beyond "our wildest expectations." His expectations, certainly.

On issue after issue, Obama's small army of wonks has not been able to keep him from stumbling. His instinct, of course, is to stake out positions on the left. But reality intrudes. It forces Obama to adjust. A talented writer, he is keenly aware of subtle distinctions in word choice and emphasis, and the shifts in position are sometimes difficult to detect. But they are there nonetheless. And so often Obama follows in the footsteps of his true foreign policy mentor: John McCain.

As the story goes....

122 reine.de.tout  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:55:27am

re: #87 brickthruplateglasswindow

Another case of the sophisticates pulling another one over on the rubes . .

heh. They just don't realize how many rubes there are, do they? Nor do they realize the "rubes" are not really stupid.

123 Mister Ghost  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:55:34am

The cover reminds me of Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 From Outer Space...

124 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:55:40am

re: #82 realwest

I hope you're right, but where did you hear those "Rumors"?

From a Democrat acquaintance who is pissed at how Obama is running his campaign.

125 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:56:03am

re: #115 steve miller
Hey, Hi ya Steve Miller - long time no see! Hope you're doing well!
But I must say I disagree with you; the McCain campaign should NEVER have allowed this woman to be the photographer - she hasn't been shy about letting her personal political views (they aren't really political "thoughts") known.

126 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:56:08am

The moral of this story is, when you "reach across the aisle", check to see if you still have your wristwatch. Or even your hand.

127 ShumBaayaMyLord  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:56:09am

The paramount blame for sure lies with the Atlantic editorial team. They seem to love taking cover behind leftist Jews. For instance sending out Jeffrey Goldberg to do a demolition piece (more than one?) on Israel.

I was in a band in college with a guy who used to be on the Atlantic's editorial staff. After he moved to the Boston Globe, he pulled the same tactic of finding a "sophisticated" Jewish literati type with the requisite case of Oslo Syndrome in order to hack away at Israel.

Not to move the focus of this discussion too much to the "Is it bad for the Jews?" issue, but there is that aspect.

128 right_on_target  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:56:29am

Jill Greenberg has done great harm to professional photographers. If she is in any professional organization I hope they expel her for such underhanded tactics.
Can you imagine a large corporation or even a small wedding party hiring a photographer for a photo shoot and the photographer culling some extra or clandestine shots for a smear job?

This puts the ENTIRE photographers' profession in a bad light. Worse than paparazzi.

129 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:15am

re: #121 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yup. Shows up in this state all ready to support us who hunt - and says nothing about how he doesn't have the votes to take our guns from us.

spit.

130 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:19am

Allright folks, I'm off to the airport. I might not be around for a few weeks. Play nice.

131 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:32am

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Allright folks, I'm off to the airport. I might not be around for a few weeks. Play nice.

Have a good time!

132 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:34am

So the Atlantic instructed their photographer to deliberately embarrass McCain by making him seem diabolical, as contrasted with the halo they plastered around Obama. And they then deceived McCain so he'd appear for the shoot. How "mature" of them! /sarc

Is this the same woman who brought us the cover photograph of Gore's "package"?

133 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:35am

re: #115 steve miller

Well now, let's remember. This could be another magnificent head-fake.

McCain allowing this lets him keep the high ground AND keep up the drumbeat of "those leftists are crazy-mad; you want someone like THEM in the White House?"

To quote another lizard's post from yesterday,

Someone who survived 5 years in Hanoi is bound to have a few tricks up his sleeve.

134 ggt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:38am

re: #119 NYexpat

Honestly, I know about the lighting thing because I took a lighting course in college. I'm not sure the average political staffer would know. I'd like to think that the staffers that handle his "image" would.

135 zombie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:57am

Remind us one last time where you'll be in Africa?

136 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #124 astronmr20
Don't suppose that Democrat acquaintence is a fan of Hillary is he/she?!

137 lennysquiggy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:57:59am

First off, someone in the McCain campaign should have been able to tell what was going on - being lit and photographed from a low angle is classic horror movie stuff. It's not difficult to tell when it is being done. If you're job is to be at a photo shoot on behalf of a campaign, you should know this. It is so obvious that it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out this is just a big time Photoshop job.

That said... My first thought when looking at that cover was, "Jesus, that's a hell of a scar on his nose. I wonder what caused it - VC whip? Falling off a chair? Angry villager's boot?"

So in summation - somebody in the campaign should probably be reassigned and the left continues to shoot itself in the foot.

Squigout.

138 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:04am

the ugly behavior of the left is so predictable, it's quite possible that the mccain camp is now jerking their chain.

139 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:10am

re: #47 Sizzlack

In other news, the odds for McCain winning in November are at their highest. Just two weeks ago it was 60/40 in Obama's favor, and today it is 52.1/46.7 in McCain's favor. Ahhhnice.

Don't be too jubilant quite yet - statistically its neck-and-neck because one has to take the statistical deviation of +/- 3% into account.

Still lots of hard work required!

140 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:12am

Addison, Mandy, and Whitey ... thanks for the advice. I made that mistake once and don't want to hurt Lizard Nation.

Here's their link for feedback:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

141 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:43am

re: #130 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - have safe flights and a great time!

142 astronmr20  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:54am

re: #136 realwest

Is/ was, but is trying his damnedest to support Obama. It's not going so well for him.

143 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:55am

Drive by...

Buzzed up.

144 jemima  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:58:56am

#128

You're making Greenberg the victim in this! Waaaaah! Freedom of speech/freedom of camera!

145 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:59:46am

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Allright folks, I'm off to the airport. I might not be around for a few weeks. Play nice.

Safe travels. Bring us back a t-shirt!

146 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:00:30am

re: #142 astronmr20
Anychance of turning him?!?

147 opnion  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:01:08am

re: #74 nyc redneck

oh, that's why they get 'drunk' on all that fermented fruit laying around on the ground.


Hey the things will crawl into soft drink & beer cans.
You can take a swig & Surprise!

148 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:01:19am

re: #143 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM - y'all shouldn't be driving while buzzed up!
Uh, oh, I see what you're saying!
nevermind.

149 SusanL  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:01:23am

I like the picture. This is the way I want Putin, the short one and Hugo to think when Mr. McCain becomes President McCain. I want them afraid.

I also want the libs to think this way. The more hysterical they become, the better. The more they are unmasked, the better.

It is time for the average Jane or Joe in this country to understand exactly what the democrats think of them. I believe Obama's phrase was bitter/clingers. I know it is worse. I live in a blue state, they aren't afraid to voice their vile opinions in public. I have learned to keep my mouth shut. You have to in the totalitarian city of Portland OR. No arguments allowed, or they tar you with some type of "ist", whether it be race, sex whatever.

150 GorgonBEgone  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:01:45am

I love it.

These people like Jill Greenberg are electing Him
by their mere affiliation with BO.

Their numbers are going south and Palin's
are north...

North to Alaska.

Let's drill some oil already.

Or will the do nothings in congress finally
figure out how to get themselves ALL fired now?

151 opnion  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:02:28am

Later Lizards, I am off to watch the Bears game. Hey, if your not using your quaterback, can we borrow him?

152 gman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:03:19am

Jill Greenberg is the same photographer who forced children to cry in order to take pictures of them crying. Here is the article from the LA Times:

STEAL a toddler’s lollipop and he’s bound to start bawling, was photographer Jill Greenberg’s thinking. So that’s just what Greenberg did to illicit tears from the 27 or so 2- and 3-year-olds featured in her latest exhibition, “End Times,” recently at the Paul Kopeikin Gallery in Los Angeles. The children’s cherubic faces, illuminated against a blue-white studio backdrop, suggest abject betrayal far beyond the loss of a Tootsie Pop; sometimes tears spill onto naked shoulders and bellies.

The work depicts how children would feel if they knew the state of the world they’re set to inherit, explained Greenberg, whose own daughter is featured in the show. “Our government is so corrupt, with all the cronyism and corporate lobbyists,” she said. “I just feel that our world is being ruined. And the environment – when I was pregnant, I kept thinking that I’d love to have a tuna fish sandwich, but I couldn’t because we’ve ruined our oceans.”

153 jester6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:03:30am

re: #95 _RememberTonyC

My subscription just expired. Atlantic was once my favorite magazine. The articles were balanced and thought provoking. Something happened over the last few years and they just went off the deep end.

154 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:03:44am

re: #149 SusanL
Hey, with respect and I know it's hard (I lived and worked in Manhattan for 35 years) but you can't let them intimidate you!
Speak your mind, try not to get angry or out of control, but DON'T let them get away with thinking everyone agrees with them. Please.

155 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:04:15am

re: #147 opnion

Hey the things will crawl into soft drink & beer cans.
You can take a swig & Surprise!

that happened to a friend of mine. she had to go to the emergency room when a yellow jacket actually flew up how nose as she took a drink of coke. it was in the can. very serious because of swelling and closing of breathing passages.
they are nasty little sob's.

156 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:04:22am

re: #152 gman

Jill Greenberg is the same photographer who forced children to cry in order to take pictures of them crying. Here is the article from the LA Times:

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. My kids love tuna and so do I.

157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:04:27am

I'm going to have to ask my lady friend, who is a very talented photographer, if I can link to her site from here. Y'all would see some really beautiful photographs!

158 ggt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:04:36am

I think it boils down to R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Respect for our country, for our political process, for the candidates as human beings. Resect for the Oval Office--as the candidate might well be the future President.

And Self-Respect. Why would any self-respecting person purposely try to make another human look sinister for a non-artistic purpose. (horror movies etc.)

159 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:04:51am

re: #139 yma o hyd

Don't be too jubilant quite yet - statistically its neck-and-neck because one has to take the statistical deviation of +/- 3% into account.

Still lots of hard work required!

Oh trust me I'm hardly celebrating the numbers. But it is a rather large turnaround. That's really what got me excited.

160 ninjadan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:04:51am

The photo-manipulated pictures have already been removed from her site.

161 jester6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:05:33am

I wonder how much money Jill makes from her art and how much she makes taking photos of executives and pols. Given that this story has gone viral I expect the professional portrait business to start drying up.

162 Noam Chumpski  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:05:38am

Whoa, that's petty.

She's not all that good anyway. When I had my first job with a large ad agency there was one of her photos on the "wall of shame" - a cork board where we put anything that was "so bad it was funny." Her use of lighting, pose, and her overt usage of airbrushing has gotten some good chuckles around many offices.

I'm surprised she's getting this level of work to be honest.

...Though I do have some kittens in a basket that she could probably do a good job on... prolly give her a call.

163 ggt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:06:00am

Have a great day all!

164 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:06:29am

re: #158 ggt

I think it boils down to R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Respect for our country, for our political process, for the candidates as human beings. Resect for the Oval Office--as the candidate might well be the future President.

And Self-Respect. Why would any self-respecting person purposely try to make another human look sinister for a non-artistic purpose. (horror movies etc.)

I am a Dentist and I treat alot of Democrates ( well maybe less than I used to ?) and I never do less than my best. Althought I did charge one who was extolling Obama 50$ more for a Root Canal the other day.

165 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:06:48am

re: #152 gman

I wonder if Jill received offers from any Iranian or Palestinian newspapers?

166 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:07:17am

re: #161 jester6
I wonder if she's received any NEA grants?

167 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:07:41am

re: #163 ggt
Thanks ggt, you too!

168 Alouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:08:11am

re: #152 gman

Jill Greenberg is the same photographer who forced children to cry in order to take pictures of them crying. Here is the article from the LA Times:

She is evil.

169 scalleywag  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:08:58am

I hope this story gets lots of "exposure"...just another case of arrogance by a liberal democrat. They thrive on it.

170 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:09:34am

re: #168 Alouette
"She is evil." Only to intelligent, unbiased folks.
Democrats Leftists OTOH, think of her as an artiste!

171 lazardo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:09:42am

It would have given me a pleasant chuckle if it were Cheney as the subject of the photo.

That said, it's getting cliché...

172 TS  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:10:29am

This woman sounds seriously deranged. (and stupid, but I'm glad she brags about it because it is just another incident that will drive away the sane people from the Democratic party, and she is also ruining her career so that is good)

173 Lynn B.  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:10:43am

McCain's up by 6 points on Intrade today.

Heh.

174 realwest  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:11:01am

Well said it on the prior thread just as Charles was putting this one up, but will say it again - I gotta go do some things so I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

175 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:11:11am

Well I'll be going back and forth between a game that matters Giants-Rams and one that only matters if you want to see Derek Jeter set records.

176 lazardo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:12:21am

re: #174 realwest

Gonna head to bed. Disappeared earlier because my cheap-ass router broke down again, had to reboot it. Cheers!

177 addison  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:12:27am

re: #126 rawmuse

The moral of this story is, when you "reach across the aisle", check to see if you still have your wristwatch. Or even your hand.

I think McCain still assumes there is still much decency and, if you will, honor, on the other side, particularly in their print media--what with his being their favorite Republican for so long. Hopefully reality is disabusing him of such thinking.

People talk about the great political divide in the nation but doesn't this just add to it? The Atlantic is, for a time, going to be known for hiring fanatical Leftists to reveal the next--potentially--President of the United States in unflattering and demonizing ways. The article accompanying the photographs could be fantastic. Is anyone going to read it?

Those with the photographer's thinking will say, "He, that warmonger, deserved it." Those with a simulacrum of maturity--and decency--will look and say, "How childish and unprofessional can you get?"

I don't think she realizes she did herself--and The Atlantic--no favors. Particularly because her defense of her wrongdoing is essentially 'they--McCain's people--should have stopped me and they--The Atlantic--knew what they were getting when they contracted me'.

178 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:12:39am

"Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” - Jill Greenberg

179 gman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:12:54am

re: #165 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

I wonder if Jill received offers from any Iranian or Palestinian newspapers?

I have a feeling she would literally do or say anything in order to further her anti-American goals.

180 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:13:46am

re: #128 right_on_target

Can you imagine a large corporation or even a small wedding party hiring a photographer for a photo shoot and the photographer culling some extra or clandestine shots for a smear job?

"Look, the Corleone family claims to be a typical, moral, Catholic, Sicilian-American family, but during their wedding I got this shot of Sonny screwing a bridesmaid in an upstairs room ..."

"I think you better stay quiet about that one or end up sleeping with the fishes, Jill."

181 little boomer  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:13:54am

Clever-no, unprofessional-yes.
Would a chef prepare a crappy meal for someone because they don't like their politics? Should a dentist go light on the Novocaine for people of the other party? What an immature harridan.

182 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #179 gman

I have a feeling she would literally do or say anything in order to further her anti-American goals.

Sad but probably true.

183 FightingBack  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:14:52am

re: #178 FrogMarch

"Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” - Jill Greenberg

They couldn't tell the diff between BDS and McDS?

184 scalleywag  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:15:08am

the irony is that this little stunt didn't put McCain in a bad light. On the contrary, it exposed this mediocre photographer as someone who, unlike her subject, has no character.

185 Steffan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:15:14am

re: #90 MandyManners

Rove, you miserable bastard!

Wrong word. "Magnificent."

As in, "Rove, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!"

186 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:16:06am

re: #181 little boomer

Clever-no, unprofessional-yes.
Would a chef prepare a crappy meal for someone because they don't like their politics? Should a dentist go light on the Novocaine for people of the other party? What an immature harridan.

Funny you should mention Dentists. I only charge Democrats more if they are obnoxious about it. I still do my best, but collecting a few shekels more is very satisfying. What can I say?

187 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:16:06am

OT ... But here's a joke my cousin in Virginia sent me ... it's not bad:
================================================== =
Barack Obama was seated next to a little girl on an airplane He turned to her and said, 'Let's talk. I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.'

The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said to Obama, 'What would you like to talk about?'

'Oh, I don't know,' said Obama. 'How about What Changes I Should Make To America?' and he smiles.

'OK, ' she said. 'That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass - . Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?'

Obama, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, 'Hmmm, I have no idea.'

To which t he little girl replies, 'Do you really feel qualified to change
America when you don't know shit ?

188 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:16:15am

re: #162 Noam Chumpski

Whoa, that's petty.

She's not all that good anyway. When I had my first job with a large ad agency there was one of her photos on the "wall of shame" - a cork board where we put anything that was "so bad it was funny." Her use of lighting, pose, and her overt usage of airbrushing has gotten some good chuckles around many offices.

I'm surprised she's getting this level of work to be honest.

...Though I do have some kittens in a basket that she could probably do a good job on... prolly give her a call.

She already took that job, and with her trademark lighting & airbrushing, gave us this.

189 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:17:32am

re: #1 MandyManners

Disfuckingpicable.

It's a bloody good thing we have a First Amendment, otherwise these assholes would cause someone to set an unfortunate precedent.

190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:17:50am

re: #181 little boomer

Clever-no, unprofessional-yes.
Would a chef prepare a crappy meal for someone because they don't like their politics? Should a dentist go light on the Novocaine for people of the other party? What an immature harridan.

Like Reagan said after getting shot - "I hope they (the doctors) were Republicans!"

191 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:17:52am

That image is precisely what the Obamites see in McCain- and it scares the shit out of them!

Good! I'm all for the Jackass Party running scared like a five-year-old from the Boogieman! What was an intentional part on the photographer to make McCain look like an evil ogre will work...for the Republicans!

The Jackass Party - home to a bunch of mouth-breathing, whining, sniveling cowards and scumbags.

192 jester6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #187 _RememberTonyC

LOL

193 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:19:15am

McCain's campaign is starting to play out like the yard fight scene in Cool Hand Luke. But in this script, the MSM bullies won't stop the drubbing simply because the onlookers begin to view them with disgust.

194 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #37 MandyManners

Remember Kos going bat-shit crazy about that photograph showing him with darker skin?

And that's what bugs me. It may be due to the exigencies of digital photography, or they only figured his actual skin color clashed with the background color after doing the shoot, and it was easier to shade the skin than the background. My skin is a very pale olive, so I know about skin clashing with the background.

195 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:19:47am

something missing from the left is the 'instinct' to protect the innocent.

when decent people see someone being unfairly attacked, most of them feel the urge to protect that person.
in this case it is the left and the msm trying to destroy two people who seem like good, honest upstanding citizens.
as the assaults become more vicious, the public will gravitate toward the victims and focus on how utterly maniacal the attackers are.
any point they are trying to make will be lost to the bigger picture of how despicable they are.
and how frightfully unreliable they would be in office.
the democrat party has become a disgrace.

196 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:19:50am

“I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

Translation: It was so easy to get away with lying to them.

197 Molon Labe  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:13am

re: #67 opnion

They remind me of Yellow Jackets in the Fall. they sense their demise.

Especially if they're playing NC State.

198 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:20am

re: #149 SusanL

Thats the way life is in leftie-controlled places/regions/countries, and don't I know it!
Hope you've got some friends where you don't need to keep your mouth shut all the time - and I love you av!

199 Elcid  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:23am

"Greenberg's End Times, a series of photographs featuring toddlers, was the subject of controversy in 2006. The work featured stylized hyper real closeups of children's faces contorted by various emotional distresses. The pieces were titled to reflect Greenberg's frustration with both the Bush administration and Christian Fundamentalism in the United States. The method for getting the children to cry (achieved by offering the children candy and suddenly taking it away) spurred allegations of unethical conduct and provoked the submission of numerous complaints to the art gallery that hosted a public showing of Greenberg's work.[2] [3]"

Wikipedia

200 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:30am

the fact that liberals seem to think of themselves as relevant enough that such a stupid stunt will have any impact amazes me.

Hey MSM no one cares what you think anymore.

201 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:48am

re: #28 opnion

This is a very juvenile tactic. I have noticed among my own extended family & friends that the Lib's seem to be very unacquainted with maturity.

The folks who presently call themselves Liberals basically embody practically every form of secular stupidity.

202 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:20:54am

Jeter got another hit- now just 2 shy of the record.

203 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:21:07am

Many people forget that these luntic leftists are only, and I reiterate, ONLY preaching to the leftist kook fringe.

Reasonable, sane, hard working Americans only despise the msm and various leftist rags and fishwraps more and more every day.

Evil gets what it has coming in the end.

spit!

204 Gang of One  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:22:35am

re: #92 jemima

The greatest quality about Americans used to be a sense of fair play. Or am I getting that confused with a Frank Capra movie?

People like Greenberg are not Americans -- not as we know them. And they cringe at the very thought of being American.

205 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:22:46am

re: #178 FrogMarch

"Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” - Jill Greenberg

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhaaaa

206 SusanL  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:23:32am

re: #154 realwest

I know RW and I do try. Just the other day, a person who calls my office asked my what I was doing that evening. It happened to be the day of McCains acceptance speach. I said, "I going to watch Senator McCains speech". There was dead silence then a plaintive "Why?".

I work for a lib and we have agreed to simply not discuss it.

207 Osama Bin Asshat  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:23:37am

I wonder how 2 faced she was prior/during the shoot?

"Good morning sir?"

"Nice to meet you Mr. McCain"

"Hold that pose....perfect Senator MCCain"

What a coniving c-word!

/sorry

208 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:23:59am

re: #159 Sizzlack

Exicted is fine! And its something to be excited about - as long as one realises this does not mean its in the bag.
Thats one of the mistakes the dems have committed, may they continue to commit many more!

209 Emery Calame  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:24:11am

It would be nice if the Atlantic had the good sense to say something like "No dear, these just aren't good photgraphs. We pay you good money to take good photographs. This is a demonstration of a lack certain lack of objectivity, maturity, judgement, professionalism, and competence on your part. If this happens again then you will be leaving to pursue other opportunities. Got me?"

210 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:24:17am
211 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:24:36am

re: #202 Nevergiveup

Jeter got another hit- now just 2 shy of the record.

What's the record? Most hits by a Yankee?

212 docremulac  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:25:14am

It's really important to remember this:

The Democrats wanted McCain for Vice President in 2004.

again:
The Democrats wanted McCain for Vice President in 2004.

...and one more time:
The Democrats wanted McCain for Vice President in 2004.

Contrast that with how they portray him now and you've got a clear picture of the Democrats for what they really are.

Completely devoid of any morals or principals other than: "our side vs their side". Period.

So simple even a mouth breathing retard liberal can remember it.

213 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:25:26am

Could this be a legal liability issue? Can a good lawyer make a case that this is fraud?

214 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:25:38am

re: #195 nyc redneck

the democrat party has become a disgrace.

They've been a disgrace since the days of LBJ. Actually, since FDR, while he intentionally kept the US in a Depression that couild've been handled in two-three years, he stretched out the nation's misery to WWII.

215 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #209 Emery Calame

i love how the MSM just energized the republican base this year. Like thanks for helping us move past bush. If you just kept your filthy mouths shut you probably would have won easily this year, but nope you have to go and put your 2 million cents in.

They deserve what will happen to them next, total irrelevancy

216 Truck Monkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:26:12am

I actually prefer to have my Commander and Chief looking like a pissed off Sith Lord. I don't see a problem here.

217 Alouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #209 Emery Calame

It would be nice if the Atlantic had the good sense to say something like "No dear, these just aren't good photgraphs. We pay you good money to take good photographs. This is a demonstration of a lack certain lack of objectivity, maturity, judgement, professionalism, and competence on your part. If this happens again then you will be leaving to pursue other opportunities. Got me?"

218 Steffan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:27:17am

re: #178 FrogMarch

"Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” - Jill Greenberg

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if some of her corporate clients agree with her on this point. Perhaps we should help them come to this conclusion.

219 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:27:27am

re: #213 lifeofthemind

Could this be a legal liability issue? Can a good lawyer make a case that this is fraud?

I'm certain that the buying public can make the same good case that they made with Us Weekly and their Palin cover last week. Us is hemorrhaging subscribers over that.

220 Nightwatch  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:28:01am

Look folks,
The media of the illeat obamabots are so desperate now they have to turn to bottom tier hacks who pose as "artistes" (read NEA suckling piglets) to try A N Y T H I N G to stop the bleeding out from their most scared Marxist programe...I mean campaign. They think they got the deep hooks in us with Grand Master Gore and the climate change of doom and all that was left to do was to hoist the "ONE" onto their collective (DA comrade, collective, "I make funny!") brawny MSM shoulders and goose step him into the new day dawning.

If this is so-fist-da-kate'd


I'll jus cling to my bible and my guns thank u

221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:28:04am

re: #211 rwmofo

What's the record? Most hits by a Yankee?

Blankity-blanking Jessica Alba?

222 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:29:07am

re: #211 rwmofo

What's the record? Most hits by a Yankee?

Most hits by anyone in the present Yankee Stadium. The records will NOT carry over to the new stadium. Right now Gehrig has the most hits in history in Yankee stadium. Coming into the present and last Yankee homestand Jeter was 9 hits behind. In Yesterday's double header Jeter had 3 hits in each game and just got a bunt single today in the first inning. So with 8 gamers left he is just 2 behind. He will surely break the record and that record will NEVER be broken!

223 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:29:08am

When I was a teenager I thought that "sophisticated" meant that you smoked and drank a lot.
But now I think they are just snobs.

224 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:29:35am

re: #214 6pat6

They've been a disgrace since the days of LBJ. Actually, since FDR, while he intentionally kept the US in a Depression that couild've been handled in two-three years, he stretched out the nation's misery to WWII.

lieberman was the last vestige of respect they could have claimed.
now, nothing but sell out cowards who demean their country.

225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:29:49am

re: #223 yah

When I was a teenager I thought that "sophisticated" meant that you smoked and drank a lot.
But now I think they are just snobs.

Playboy Magazine was once considered "sophisticated" as well.

226 doppelganglander  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:30:39am

re: #152 gman

What a repulsive human being.

227 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:30:56am

re: #223 yah

it seems to me parroting the leftists talking points and being a metorosexual weirdo these days.

228 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:31:02am

re: #178 FrogMarch

Jill Greenberg has no sense of professionalism with that statement. I could only imagine what Jill would do if she wasn't a photographer and part a of another profession........

NO, any other profession wouldn't tolerate such crap! Any future employers including her current employer should really think hard about Jill Greenberg's employment as to mean lack there of to ensure future business.

229 SagamoreGal  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:32:03am

On the flip side of elitist, Marxist "artists", any truth to the rumor that one of the first episodes of the new season of "South Park" all but outs The Messiah as a Trojan Horse?

Go Matt! Go Trey!

230 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:32:45am

re: #228 Idle Drifter

if she wasn't a photographer, she'd be working in a coffe shop, a book store, or a "professional" activist.

Its all the same thing, subversive scum bag.

231 Gang of One  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:33:01am
“I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

No, you cupid stunt, they just don't know the technical aspects of an industry they do not work in. You, on the other hand, are not only unsophisticated, you are juvenile, arrogant and self-absorbed. And untalented, I may add.

232 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:33:13am

re: #230 pegcity

if she wasn't a photographer, she'd be working in a coffe shop, a book store, or a "professional" activist.

Its all the same thing, subversive scum bag.

I'm sorry to hear she has a kid.

233 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:33:14am

re: #229 SagamoreGal

i can see it, those guys rock.

they aren't afraid to tell the truth.

234 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:33:17am

Given the level to which the owner and the staff of the Atlantic are in the tank for Obama -- the owner's wife, Katherine Brittain Bradley, is on record in one instance for $28,500.00 to committees supporting Barack Obama-- even the cover-lines are not half-bad if a bit half-hearted. I'd only remark that it is no accident that the Atlantic's editor approved the upper red slash bar with the words "Porn" and "Adultery" in it. Editors, especially those whose paycheck depends on displaying their bias for their boss, love those little gotcha games.
Want Payback time?! Try the below-
A nice way to thank the Atlantic is take their business reply (postage paid) subscription postcard out of the magazine, tape it to a brick, and send it back to the magazine with whatever comment you would like to make in the "name" and "address" lines. This works great with all kinds of left wing magazines.

235 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:33:26am

re: #228 Idle Drifter

But, photography is considered "art", and with the right photographer, it is art! Jill Greenberg feels entitled and special; and therefore, exempt from the usual scrutiny that any normal person's work endures. Like most Jackass party members.

She is an asshole.

236 NC State of Mind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:33:38am

Ace: McCain pic contrasted with Obama

I personally love this picture. McCain looks like he was chiseld out of the nearest mountain.

This is anti-thetical to the "soft power" the press thinks all us Americans want to be.

237 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:34:15am

re: #229 SagamoreGal

On the flip side of elitist, Marxist "artists", any truth to the rumor that one of the first episodes of the new season of "South Park" all but outs The Messiah as a Trojan Horse?

Go Matt! Go Trey!

I was wondering when the new season was going to debut - that would be awesome! I've said it before & I mean it - Matt & Trey should get some kind of medal for their work. They're the only people in the "creative community" to have stood on the side of truth & freedom since 9/11.

238 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:34:58am

re: #216 Truck Monkey

I actually prefer to have my Commander and Chief looking like a pissed off Sith Lord. I don't see a problem here.

OK, so he's the #2 guy, but you get the idea.

239 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:35:21am

re: #191 6pat6

That image is precisely what the Obamites see in McCain- and it scares the shit out of them!

Good! I'm all for the Jackass Party running scared like a five-year-old from the Boogieman! What was an intentional part on the photographer to make McCain look like an evil ogre will work...for the Republicans!

The Jackass Party - home to a bunch of mouth-breathing, whining, sniveling cowards and scumbags.

I sure if Andrew Jackson was to come back to life he'd grab a flame thrower.

240 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:35:27am

re: #232 Nevergiveup

I'm sorry to hear she has a kid.

I'm

surprised

to hear she has a kid! She seems the type to have that inconvenient little rodent (as people of her ilk see children) ripped from her belly at the first possible moment!

241 beens21  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:35:52am

re: #178 FrogMarch

"Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” - Jill Greenberg

typical lefty,'I was not irresponsible,stupid,unprofessionable,they were irresponsible,stupid,unprofessionable in not figuring out that I am dishonest'.The con artist creed.

242 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:35:56am

re: #234 LEGION


A nice way to thank the Atlantic is take their business reply (postage paid) subscription postcard out of the magazine, tape it to a brick, and send it back to the magazine with whatever comment you would like to make in the "name" and "address" lines. This works great with all kinds of left wing magazines.

Good idea, Upding

243 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:35:58am

re: #236 NC State of Mind

Ace: McCain pic contrasted with Obama

I personally love this picture. McCain looks like he was chiseld out of the nearest mountain.

This is anti-thetical to the "soft power" the press thinks all us Americans want to be.

That's the thing. they are so disconnected with "real" "fly over" "patriotic" "normal" take your pick Americans, they don't realize they are actually promoting the very things they hate.

244 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:36:04am

I sent the PDN link to friends the other day, so this is already getting around.

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:36:42am

re: #238 Fat Jolly Penguin

OK, so he's the #2 guy, but you get the idea.

Two there are, master and apprentice.

246 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:36:51am

She did it and now must deal with the outcome. Imagine the flack a photographer would get if he captured a picture of Obama picking his nose and then publishing it on the cover of a conservative magazine.

Do you suppose McCain kicks back in comfortable clothes when he isn't campaigning? I hope he does.

247 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:36:52am

re: #224 nyc redneck

lieberman was the last vestige of respect they could have claimed.
now, nothing but sell out cowards who demean their country.

Well now, Truman did a good job, despite the fact that he owed his judicial and political career to the Kansas City Pendergast machine. Like Palin, he was "one of us," and he was a WWI veteran as well.

248 JSK1121  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:36:54am

I keep thinking to myself why the media is comprised of a bunch of libtards and all of the sudden I had an epiphany: Conservatives/Moderates/Normal People have real jobs...

249 celtic templar  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:37:02am

“Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn’t lying about?” Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

Regarding Palin's visit to the Middle East and Germany, which Americans are these Mr. Vietor? This American is still wondering why EurObama blew off our troops in Germany b/c he couldn't photoCoOp them.

250 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:37:31am

re: #248 JSK1121

Bingo!

251 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:37:52am

In case you didn't know, there is a children's book out about Obama - horrible ratings. Here is one teacher's view -


1.0 out of 5 stars A review from a teacher...If this were a read aloud book, September 12, 2008
By J. Roemisch "thepeaceof2911" (Chicago) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
I'm a 2nd grade teacher. I went to Barnes and Noble tonight and one of my missions was to look at the picture books regarding the presidential candidates (I knew that there had to be a few by now) to read to my students during our daily read aloud times. I want to be able to present each of the candidates in a fair manner. While at the store I found this book.

The books is SO heavy-handed (I looked to see if it hadn't been written by, endorsed by, or if the profits weren't going directly to the DNC). Barack comes across as a Moses for our times. He is spoken to by "Hope", and later on it seems that Hope turns into the voice of God. God doesn't just stir his soul but recites sentences/a paragraph, and seems to anoint him a modern-day prophet. The child in the book even compares him to Joseph of the new testament. This is going WAY too far (unless of course we are to expect The Book of Barack to be added to the Bible any day now). Actually, the heavy-handed writing made me laugh as I rejected even the possibility of bringing it into the classroom.

I do, though, allow adult guest readers to bring in books of their choosing when they join us for read alouds. I started to wonder how I would handle the situation if someone brought in this book. My solution will be to apologize immensely and then mention, "Oooops, we were suppose to go to the art room for a special presentation. We'll have to reschedule this read aloud."

There is no way I could present this book to my students. I might as well read the Bible and replace major names with Barack.

PLEASE publishers! Give us DECENT books about the candidates.

(*A note to Barack (though I doubt he will be taking time to read my little review):
Do you endorse these books or comments that compare you to Biblical figures? I think you would do your campaign well to tell people to start considering you to be a mere man. You aren't a rock star. You aren't a prophet. I think these comparisons might wear on people and lose you an election.)

BTW, Meghan McCain has written a book about her Dad, which arrived here just last week on release day. Very well done, no messiah here - [Link: www.amazon.com...]

252 Aylios  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:38:14am

re: #44 zombie

She tried her best to make him look pasty and decrepit. The lighting emphasized the 72-year-oldness of his skin (on purpose, she says).

Even Marilyn Monroe could be made to look bad, with wrong lighting, and by choosing the outtakes.

If that's the worst she could make him look, he must look about 50 irl, which is nice to know.

253 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:38:29am

re: #239 Idle Drifter

I'm PIMF

254 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:39:29am
255 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:39:39am

People talking about talking about voting McCain to their moonbat friends and relatives.

My white relatives are in a bind because they are white liberals so they can't allow themselves the racist argument on me for not thinking Obama is the end all be all; that he knows little and what he does know is bad for America.

To my black relatives I just say I am contemplating voting for the party of Martin Luther King. (most people know Lincoln and Frederick Douglass were Republicans, but not the Rev Dr. as well, but its true.)

256 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #202 Nevergiveup

Now A-rod gets a grand slam- coulda used that earlier in the season- too little too late.

257 zenren  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:39:58am

Here is Jill Greenberg's website if you want to check her out. The web address is so apropos
:

[Link: www.manipulator.com...]

258 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:41:22am

That's it. Time to take the gloves off and go medieval on these friggen leftist scumbags.

259 Osama Bin Asshat  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:41:44am

McCain kinda looks like an ass kicker though...it may work well? As for the trollop who took the pic....?

260 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:42:11am

Honduras in diplomatic snub to U.S. over Bolivia

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

Were is the CIA when we need them. Piss ant bastards. We gotta start to remind of the "Monroe Doctrine" and it's consequences.

261 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:42:56am

re: #256 LEGION

Now A-rod gets a grand slam- coulda used that earlier in the season- too little too late.

Typical A-Rod hit. And he posed after he hit it.

262 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:43:07am

re: #236 NC State of Mind

Ace: McCain pic contrasted with Obama

I personally love this picture. McCain looks like he was chiseld out of the nearest mountain.

This is anti-thetical to the "soft power" the press thinks all us Americans want to be.


Obama looks like he's dreaming about how much money he can suck out of the government for yet another silly doomed-to-fail welfare-esque government funded program.... with a metroseuxal grimace.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:43:13am

I'll say it again. I like the picture.

Has a whole, "Don't f*ck with me Jihadist" thing going on.

264 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:43:46am

re: #254 Bob in Breckenridge

I kinda like this pic...

Teeheehee!
Thats soooo bad - I like it as well!

265 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:01am

re: #222 Nevergiveup

Most hits by anyone in the present Yankee Stadium. The records will NOT carry over to the new stadium. Right now Gehrig has the most hits in history in Yankee stadium. Coming into the present and last Yankee homestand Jeter was 9 hits behind. In Yesterday's double header Jeter had 3 hits in each game and just got a bunt single today in the first inning. So with 8 gamers left he is just 2 behind. He will surely break the record and that record will NEVER be broken!

OK, but I'm missing something. Gehrig started playing in 1923 when Yankee Stadium was built and his whole career was as a Yankee. Wikipedia says Yankee Stadium "reopened April 1976." Is that the difference for Jeter?

266 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:03am

I'm still flabbergasted that the left is almost handing us the election on a silver platter. The one thing we have to guard against is hubris. That's what brought the left down, god will always bring down the arrogant. And I'm an atheist.

267 Truck Monkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:15am

re: #254 Bob in Breckenridge

I kinda like this pic...

The One looks so waifish. I love it.

268 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:17am

re: #257 zenren

Here is Jill Greenberg's website if you want to check her out. The web address is so apropos
:

[Link: www.manipulator.com...]

Hah!

269 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:20am
270 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:26am

re: #260 Nevergiveup

Honduras in diplomatic snub to U.S. over Bolivia

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

Were is the CIA when we need them. Piss ant bastards. We gotta start to remind of the "Monroe Doctrine" and it's consequences.

It's like, what exactly did we DO to piss off the little Marxists, anyway? I think they all got their balls shrunk by the FARC incident and are running through a scrotum inflation exercise.

271 rancher  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:30am

re: #255 tokyobk

To my black relatives I just say I am contemplating voting for the party of Martin Luther King. (most people know Lincoln and Frederick Douglass were Republicans, but not the Rev Dr. as well, but its true.)

Wow, that I didn't know!

272 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:44:48am

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll say it again. I like the picture.

Has a whole, "Don't f*ck with me Jihadist" thing going on.

I love it also. The Republicans should adopt it and shove it right back down their throats!

273 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:45:02am
274 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:45:38am

re: #235 6pat6

But, photography is considered "art", and with the right photographer, it is art! Jill Greenberg feels entitled and special; and therefore, exempt from the usual scrutiny that any normal person's work endures. Like most Jackass party members.

She is an asshole.

I guess that's why they could never understand why most of the public won't buy the crap they're selling or preaching.

275 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:45:40am
276 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:46:15am

re: #245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Two there are, master and apprentice.

No more, no less.

/moonbats can come up with some pretty funny stuff

277 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:46:32am

Well, they put a halo on the Obamessiah and horns on McNasty, but why are the polls still going up for the GOP and down for the Donkeys?

278 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:47:29am

re: #275 ploome hineni

me too

/OMG I agree with you

aaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Now we need a matching one of Sarah ...

Reminds me of those V.C. Andrews "Flowers in the Attic" series covers.

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:47:52am

re: #275 ploome hineni

When did we ever disagree; other than when I was right?

/

280 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:47:52am
281 celtic templar  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:48:14am

re: #266 EIDE_Interface

I'm still flabbergasted that the left is almost handing us the election on a silver platter. The one thing we have to guard against is hubris. That's what brought the left down, god will always bring down the arrogant. And I'm an atheist.

Ignore the polls, ignore the good or bad "feelings", the only thing that counts is Nov 4th.

282 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:48:17am

re: #260 Nevergiveup

Reading stuff like that sometimes makes me think - why not behave just as bad-ass to those idiots as the always say the USA is?

Just stop all aid immediately - no US representative, no aid, simple ...
Let the leftie governments stew in their own juices - and publicise widely why this is done.
Should concentrate some minds ...

283 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:48:29am

oh baby..is it ever time for CHANGE. Let's throw these fuckers to the wolves...
oh wait. We don't have to do that--she's a photographer--heh--I'd say that with these "shots"--her aim is way off, and the collateral will be the entire MSM/Obama campaign, for she will have shot the entire democratic party in their collective FEET--except of course, for nice Joe Biden--his foot will have been in his mouth at the time.

284 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:48:51am

re: #277 Desert Dog

Because Obama is seen by many, rightly, as a false prophet. Obama ordained himself, did he not? Obama is definitely the WRONG guy for the times...actually, the wrong guy, PERIOD, no matter what times!

285 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:49:10am

re: #265 rwmofo

OK, but I'm missing something. Gehrig started playing in 1923 when Yankee Stadium was built and his whole career was as a Yankee. Wikipedia says Yankee Stadium "reopened April 1976." Is that the difference for Jeter?

Both the original and the remodeled Yankee Stadium are considered for the purpose of Records the same edifice. The "New" Yankee Stadium will be considered a new park and the records will not carry over. The record for the most hits by a Yankee is held for the time being by a guy named Babe ( but not all those hists were in Yankee Stadium) . Jeter is only around 200 hits away from the Babe. Jeter is in good company I'd say.

286 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:49:32am

re: #271 rancher

Wow, that I didn't know!

Yes, its true. Of course, a lot changed from the 60s to the 80s, especially the Reagan white Demo shift.

I think that the Republican party should have as a priority getting half of the black vote and brand itself in its long tradition of (pre sixties) Civil Rights. That would shape the Democrats up too who might have to work for black votes and not just pander to the basest human elements of their constituents.

287 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:49:38am

The Obama camp can't get off of defense, Obama doesn't dare talk about the real issues, and McCain has commercial, after commercial on tv, all, talking directly to the issues affecting America.

Given the fact that Obama has lied about nearly everything surrounding him(Rezko, Wright, Ayers, ACORN, etc), and those lies are bound in fact, they are not simply embelishments, I believe we are going to watch the Obama campaign seriously crash and burn between now and Nov.

Heh.

288 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:49:39am
289 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:49:44am

Sorry, guys, I skipped down the thread to make this OUTRAGED comment without seeing how the spool of thread was rolling.

290 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:49:46am

re: #282 yma o hyd

Reading stuff like that sometimes makes me think - why not behave just as bad-ass to those idiots as the always say the USA is?

Just stop all aid immediately - no US representative, no aid, simple ...
Let the leftie governments stew in their own juices - and publicise widely why this is done.
Should concentrate some minds ...

And I think we should throw in some embarassing comments about the size of their packages as well. The machismo factor is heavy with these little pricks.

291 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:50:18am

re: #280 ploome hineni

the real picture

G-D I love it!

292 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:50:48am

re: #277 Desert Dog

Well, they put a halo on the Obamessiah and horns on McNasty, but why are the polls still going up for the GOP and down for the Donkeys?

We're not wearing blinkers.

293 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:50:50am

re: #287 republic

I HOPE for that every single day!

294 Idle Drifter  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #276 Fat Jolly Penguin

No more, no less.

/moonbats can come up with some pretty funny stuff

If they only knew the POWER of the Darkside!

295 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:51:28am

re: #249 celtic templar

“Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn’t lying about?” Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

Regarding Palin's visit to the Middle East and Germany, which Americans are these Mr. Vietor? This American is still wondering why EurObama blew off our troops in Germany b/c he couldn't photoCoOp them.

from the article....

They [McCain campaign] said she visited Iraq, but today we learned that she only stopped at the border,” the campaign said in a written statement. “Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn’t lying about?” Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said.


So Tommy, the O himself gets a pass regarding HIS "Muslim Faith", lipstick on a pig and stinky fish comments, but if a Republican aide makes a statement in error it's intentional deception. How's that been working out for ya so far, Tommy?

296 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:51:39am

re: #290 Tigger2005

And I think we should throw in some embarassing comments about the size of their packages as well. The machismo factor is heavy with these little pricks.

Very sensitive about the plantains, are they?

297 SusanL  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:51:51am

re: #198 yma o hyd


Thanks, that is my best friend Simba.

Yes, luckily my family is willing to listen. They have all been trained from an early age to vote R but appear D. That is the only way to survive here.

I also have friends who are in the same boat. You nod like a dummy and agree with the craziness, but you vote your beleifs.

298 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #284 6pat6

Because Obama is seen by many, rightly, as a false prophet. Obama ordained himself, did he not? Obama is definitely the WRONG guy for the times...actually, the wrong guy, PERIOD, no matter what times!

Obama would be a very good univeristy president or president of a foundation like the NAACP or the Red Cross. After a few years of achievement in the Senate, he might make a good Secretary of State under a strong president.

He could speechify and inspire without anyone getting hurt.

299 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:52:18am

re: #290 Tigger2005

We should have been cutting off aid to most countries decades ago. Give aid ONLY in cases of natural disaster. That's it. And even then, it would come with strings, if I were king...!

300 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #284 6pat6

Because Obama is seen by many, rightly, as a false prophet. Obama ordained himself, did he not? Obama is definitely the WRONG guy for the times...actually, the wrong guy, PERIOD, no matter what times!

I wholeheartedly agree.

It never has been Obama's sheer inexperience, it's his ideas, beliefs and non-principals/non convictions/non morals, why I would never support him.

301 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:53:16am

re: #298 tokyobk

Obama would be a very good univeristy president or president of a foundation like the NAACP or the Red Cross. After a few years of achievement in the Senate, he might make a good Secretary of State under a strong president.

He could speechify and inspire without anyone getting hurt.

I think he might make a good surgeon general. Bullshit is more up his alley?

302 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:53:20am

re: #284 6pat6

I would add that Obama had to pander so far to the left to beat the Hildebeast, that he cannot come back to the center...and, even if he could, it is becoming more and more apparent that he stands for nothing but empty campaign slogans. If people actually looked at what Obama wants to do with this country, with all the flowery rhetoric and smooth speeches stripped away, they would be afraid! McCain is almost to left for me, but he is 100000% better than letting Obama come into office with Pelosi and Reid running the Congress.....now that is a really scary thought!

303 celtic templar  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:53:21am

re: #272 Nevergiveup

I love it also. The Republicans should adopt it and shove it right back down their throats!

Says more about the fear mongering Democrats than anything else. Quagmire in Afghanistan, oh noes, bleed the troops, oh noes again, we lost the war in Iraq, oh my, oh noes. Funny how moral relativity is only applicable for really despotic folks.
re: #295 brickthruplateglasswindow

So Tommy, the O himself gets a pass regarding HIS "Muslim Faith", lipstick on a pig and stinky fish comments, but if a Republican aide makes a statement in error it's intentional deception. How's that been working out for ya so far, Tommy?

You also missed the part where she was NOT PERMITTED to go into Iraq ... Just like Obama was not permitted to coop a photo op with the troops, same difference eh?

/sarc

304 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:53:59am

re: #298 tokyobk

You give him a lot of credit. I think no matter what he does, it will be primarily to benefit Obama. The guy is a snake.

305 Silhouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:54:26am

Waste Democrats' money.

Send for free "Read my lipstick: I'm voting Democrat" bumper sticker from Emily's List.

Send for free "Obama/Biden" bumper sticker from MoveOn.

Send for free "Obama" button from MoveOn.

Send for free "Obama" bumper sticker from Democratic Stuff.

Send for free "Obama/BidenYour text to link..." bumper sticker from Positively Barack, and they might publish YOUR reason for supporting Barack! Be sure to mention Alinsky, Ayers, Hamas, etc.

306 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:54:34am

Anybody see Meet the Press today? Pathetic how Tom Brokaw seems to be just a puddle of warm wax these days. He let Woodward talk on and on--and didn't raise any challenges to some of the "fly on the wall" insights (so-called). This is not to mention he then had the newbie (Russert's probably successor) comment. Intelligent comments, but he 's looking like going down the "stay safely withint the corral until I get the MTP job" path."

Giulliani didn't really make a good defense attorney--he needs to get his prosecutorial groove back on.

307 Master Cranky Hucklebubble  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:54:46am

"Iocane powder: it's tasteless, odourless, dissolves instantly in water and is one of the more deadly poisons known to man."

I suspect that the MSM has been so over-the-top with their biased coverage this election cycle that even your average voter is taking a whiff, like Prince Humperdink, and saying "Iocane. I'd bet my life on it!"

I am quite content to let these people continue to make asses of themselves.

308 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:55:19am

re: #255 tokyobk

People talking about talking about voting McCain to their moonbat friends and relatives.

My white relatives are in a bind because they are white liberals so they can't allow themselves the racist argument on me for not thinking Obama is the end all be all; that he knows little and what he does know is bad for America.

To my black relatives I just say I am contemplating voting for the party of Martin Luther King. (most people know Lincoln and Frederick Douglass were Republicans, but not the Rev Dr. as well, but its true.)

MLK dreamed of an America where people would be judged on merit, rather than the color of their skin. I am more than willing to judge Obama on his merit, rather than the color of his skin. For exactly that reason, I will be casting my vote for John McCain.

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:55:59am

My wife gets People Magazine. Picture of the McCain family on the front.

Holy Shit! How are we going to be able to afford this amount of Secret Service protection.

Between the Palins and the McCains, I think we'll be protecting, let's see, uh, yeah...1,400 people... give or take.

310 Desert Dog  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:56:02am
311 Nevergiveup  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:56:06am

Jeter is now 2 for 2- doubles down the right Field line. Now only 1 from the record. 8 hits in 24 hours

312 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:57:19am

re: #297 SusanL

Yes, thats how things are here as well - and it irks me to have to make nice to my 'representatives' on the locl and national level if I want things to get done in my neighbourhood or for my friends.

But so far, elections are still secret!

Simba looks really dreamy - a beeutiful cat, I bet he knows it, too!

313 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:57:27am
314 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:57:31am

OT

Wow, the Packers are destroying the Lions!

:Dre: #301 Nevergiveup

I think he might make a good surgeon general. Bullshit is more up his alley?

I think he would fit in nicely with Yugo Chavez!

315 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:57:43am

re: #310 Desert Dog

Whoopi is worried about becoming a slave if McCain becomes elected

Like Rush said on Friday, Whoppi is already mentally enslaved of her own making. On the liberal plantation, so to speak.

316 rexatosis  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:58:06am

Ms. Greenberg is a fool. She may not be sued in this instance but no corporate clients (if they are smart and do their homework) will want to hire someone so unprofessional. As for celebrity clients, they will be gone as well if they have any sort of decent legal and business representation. One can have any type of political view they want but when you are unprofessional and start costing others money, jobs, reputations, then you are toast in whatever business you are in.

317 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:58:20am

re: #285 Nevergiveup

Ahh, that explains it. I'm not a Yankee fan (it's OK - you guys don't have a shortage there), but since Jeter has 2500+ hits and a 300+ career average, well, that's like, a little better than average. Plus with his record with the ladies, it must be good to be Jeter.

318 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:58:23am

re: #304 6pat6

You give him a lot of credit. I think no matter what he does, it will be primarily to benefit Obama. The guy is a snake.


Well, he is talented, though perhaps in that Ripley sort of sociopathalogical kind of way.

I think you have to take anyone who stands for visible public office as self interested.

I think Obama would be a great university president because he would raise a ton of money and also white liberals love him and are inspired by his preaching. Harvard or Columbia would love to have him. Plus he wouldn't be messing any of our stuff up with socialism and trying to snake-handle dictators.

I think that McCain is very selfless, however. I think part of him would prefer to be retired but he knows that it is right for him to stand up for office.

320 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:58:39am

re: #310 Desert Dog

Whoopi is worried about becoming a slave if McCain becomes elected

Note that she was worried about becoming a slave AGAIN. I would love to know just when & where it was that Whoopi was a slave in the first place. I am positive that she is not 150+ years old.

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:59:06am

re: #314 republic

Wow, the Packers are destroying the Lions!

Wow, I am surprised you began that sentence with "Wows".

322 Nancy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:59:10am

Some are questioning the "odd" technical set up of the ABC Palin interview as well. The lighting and angles she was shot from were unusual and different from what they showed of him on camera.

Except I don't think any of these tricks are going to work against McCain-Palin. The public isn't as stupid as some want to think they are.

323 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:59:12am

Well, I say, let's get another bumper sticker ready: Read my Lipstick: I'm voting Republican! --Same colors--or maybe camo.

324 Silhouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:59:22am

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And the Lord said, "Be fruitful and multiply." God Bless 'Em.

I adore big families.

325 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 10:59:34am

re: #265 rwmofo

Jeter became a Yankee in 1996- yer off by twenty years. He just got a double! Giambambino- an HR- Yanks up 6-3. Getting some satisfaction out of being a spoiler. Reminds me of Mattingly/Winfield batting title race in another dead year.

326 rawmuse  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:00:05am

re: #248 JSK1121

I keep thinking to myself why the media is comprised of a bunch of libtards and all of the sudden I had an epiphany: Conservatives/Moderates/Normal People have real jobs...

People that have to work for living don't sit around saying to themselves, "You know, I'm just NOT paying enough taxes".

Rich, limousine-Liberals, on the other hand, usually avail themselves of every tax shelter they can. It never occurs to them that if they wanted to, they could legally send the Treasury more revenue at any time. Additionally, they do not have wages, since they don't work. They have assets. They have equities.

327 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:00:29am

BO must have learned this much:
1. When the Law is against you argue the Facts.
2. When the Facts are against you argue the Law.
3. When both the Law and the Facts are against you; Bang the table and shout.

The Democrats are now at Stage 3.

328 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:00:45am

re: #281 celtic templar

I'm not- the donkeys can't win if they can't cheat. No ideas in that party.

329 Salem  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:00:50am

The woman is obviously seriously ill mentally.

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:00:52am

re: #324 Silhouette

I'm from a big family too. Love it.

331 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:00:54am

re: #310 Desert Dog

wow they are coming unhinged. they know they backed a loser.

332 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:01:32am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow, I am surprised you began that sentence with "Wows".

I actually didn't intend to post that after I typed it.

I forgot to delete it off my comment set.

My bad!

333 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:01:34am

re: #310 Desert Dog

Whoopi is worried about becoming a slave if McCain becomes elected

If I were I would like to believe that I would answer thus:

"Ms. Goldberg, the Republican Party led this nation in the bloodiest war in it's history in order to put an end to chattel slavery. We are not about to reconsider our position on the issue."

At least I would like to believe that I would say that.

334 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:02:29am

re: #320 galloping granny

As opposed to Obama's slave, i never forget michelles words. Hes gonna make all you work for his ass.

Struggle for dear leader and the revolution

335 Silhouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:03:09am

re: #310 Desert Dog

Whoopi is worried about becoming a slave if McCain becomes elected

Worse, she worried about becoming a slave again.

Which raises the question, WHERE WAS WHOOPI ENSLAVED? Why isn't someone investigating this and arresting the culprits? I for one am concerned.

/

336 Steffan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:03:17am

re: #255 tokyobk

People talking about talking about voting McCain to their moonbat friends and relatives.

My white relatives are in a bind because they are white liberals so they can't allow themselves the racist argument on me for not thinking Obama is the end all be all; that he knows little and what he does know is bad for America.

To my black relatives I just say I am contemplating voting for the party of Martin Luther King. (most people know Lincoln and Frederick Douglass were Republicans, but not the Rev Dr. as well, but its true.)

It doesn't surprise me. Since the Democratic Party over the course of his life was the party of Jim Crow and the Klan, not to mention the Copperhead Democrats, the GOP was really the only way he could go.

It wasn't until Johnson's "Great Society" that blacks started to embrace the Democrats. This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why American schoolkids nowadays are taught "Social Studies" instead of history and civics.

337 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:03:31am

re: #331 pegcity

wow they are coming unhinged. they know they backed a loser.

I think this is true and I say so because I have a very smart relative who is passionate about Obama and recently when we talk about the election his arguments all come back to how wonderful it is that his (black) children will see what he and I only dreamed about as kids (which all black people have dreamed about) a black president.

That is a very weak and losing argument, however.

338 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:04:32am

re: #335 Silhouette

Any president who a democrat enslaved her i guess.

339 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:04:58am

re: #320 galloping granny

Note that she was worried about becoming a slave AGAIN. I would love to know just when & where it was that Whoopi was a slave in the first place. I am positive that she is not 150+ years old.

Well she used to cut/style dead peoples hair in a funeral parlor- maybe she channeled back in time or something- dawn of the dead zone. She's got some dead brain virus that is for sure.

340 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Personally I like the picture. I hope McCain sends one to Comrade Putin when he is elected President.

N-G-U -

Exactly - autographed as follows - "...No Greater Friend - No Worse Enemy -
McCAIN..."

-S-

341 jamsler  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:05:10am

I'm sickened by the comments made by many of the obamatons. They carry no information, just sheer, visceral, blind hate. When nobama loses, I fear there's going to be violence. I don't think they could contain that much hate. A tripping point will be passed.
These are interesting times we live in.

342 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:05:23am

re: #337 tokyobk

so vote for Obama cause hes black and we want to please his children?

what the hell.

That is some weak sauce

343 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:06:05am

My dad, W2 vet, told me 40 years ago easy, that "whenever a newspaper doesn't like someone, they publish pictures of that person where you can look up his nostrils."

Some things are still the same.

344 baxtrice  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:06:18am
"Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” - Jill Greenberg

Sure, blame the people that hired you. It's not your fault that you didn't have the self control to stop yourself from taking these pictures. It's not your fault that you chose to photograph McCain in the most unflattering terms. It's not your fault that you manipulated them and put them on the front page of your website. It's not your fault at all.

//////

A little professionalism would be nice. You don't have to like McCain, but a job is a job and it doesn't include your politics. Don't blame the Atlantic because you couldn't separate your politics from your job.

345 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:06:29am

re: #325 LEGION

Jeter became a Yankee in 1996- yer off by twenty years. He just got a double! Giambambino- an HR- Yanks up 6-3. Getting some satisfaction out of being a spoiler. Reminds me of Mattingly/Winfield batting title race in another dead year.

Umm, I realize that Jeter hasn't been a Yankee for 32 years. I just didn't get the "classic" vs "current era" Yankee Stadium delta related to the "record" Jeter will have. Nervergiveup cleared that up.

346 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:06:51am

re: #310 Desert Dog

Whoopi is worried about becoming a slave if McCain becomes elected

She can relax. Couldn't sell her on the discount shelf.

347 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:07:01am

re: #339 LEGION

Well she used to cut/style dead peoples hair in a funeral parlor- maybe she channeled back in time or something- dawn of the dead zone. She's got some dead brain virus that is for sure.

Someone should say this to her:

"Ms. Goldberg, the Republican Party led this nation in the bloodiest war in it's history in order to put an end to chattel slavery. We are not about to reconsider our position on the issue."

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:07:17am

re: #343 Ojoe

Boy, movie directors must have hated Bela Legosi.

349 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:07:37am

re: #346 lifeofthemind

she can go move to canada, oh wait were gonna elect evil conservatives as well.

damn how about the middle of the ocean, no evil republicans their.

350 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:08:12am

re: #336 Steffan

It doesn't surprise me. Since the Democratic Party over the course of his life was the party of Jim Crow and the Klan, not to mention the Copperhead Democrats, the GOP was really the only way he could go.

It wasn't until Johnson's "Great Society" that blacks started to embrace the Democrats. This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why American schoolkids nowadays are taught "Social Studies" instead of history and civics.

IMO, and I realize some disagree, the Democrats won the black vote fair and square and Reagan, as much as most people here love him, did nothing to stop the final hardcore black Republicans from going Democrat.
Their are enough wealthy and educated as well as hard working blue coller blacks to get a good percentage of them back to the GOP.

Johnson was a mean sonofagun but his embracing of Civil Rights is an amazing, uniquely American, story, also IMO.

351 Nancy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:09:10am

I think the photo is OK too.
Doesn't bother me if he looks menacing!

Better that then standing like a greek diety in front of some fake greek facade and delivering a stiff, canned party speech to the his followers.

352 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:09:30am

re: #341 jamsler

When Obama loses, you'll see riots like the LA riots in the '90s. The Jackasses won't take losing three in a row well, and go completely ape-shit crazy, tearing the cities apart and blaming everything on the Right.

They are like a bunch of crack-addled 20-year-olds. They steal from the taxpayers to keep their $2B/day habit going, and destroy everything they touch.

353 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:10:12am

re: #342 pegcity

so vote for Obama cause hes black and we want to please his children?

what the hell.

That is some weak sauce

He is happy his children are growing up in a world that we could only dream of, that for our parents was impossible to even dream of.

I understand that feeling very much, but I agree, it is a sign that things are not well even among the hardcore Obama supporters, that as one Lizard put it so poetically, its like the yellowjackets in Fall; they smell their own doom.

354 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:10:15am

re: #350 tokyobk

why is it amazing? its more disgusting to me that it took so long.

355 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:10:35am

What's worse, you might see a 70-30 McCain win, and still have the Electoral College in Obama's pocket. THAT would be a very bad thing.

356 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:10:37am

re: #336 Steffan

It doesn't surprise me. Since the Democratic Party over the course of his life was the party of Jim Crow and the Klan, not to mention the Copperhead Democrats, the GOP was really the only way he could go.

It wasn't until Johnson's "Great Society" that blacks started to embrace the Democrats. This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why American schoolkids nowadays are taught "Social Studies" instead of history and civics.


FDR started the transformation. The great migration North to urban jobs got Blacks into the Democratic machine politics. WW-II and the war production jobs sealed the deal.

357 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:11:22am

re: #353 tokyobk


how about vote for obama cause hes good for the economy, oh wait.

no how about vote for obama cause he has great plans for americans energey problem, nope not that either.

Um he has cool signs?

358 Silhouette  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:11:37am

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy, movie directors must have hated Bela Legosi.

LOL.

But that actually confirms the theory because clearly they wanted to make Legosi look more evil and threatening.

359 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:12:15am

re: #354 pegcity

why is it amazing? its more disgusting to me that it took so long.

Johnson grew up a segregationist and was by contemporary standards a racist in his attitudes and speech. He believed, however, in one American standard for all its citizens and he saw to it that civil rights legislation was passed. That says something to me about the nature of the United States presidency and the power of our founding ideals.

360 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:12:57am

re: #355 6pat6

What's worse, you might see a 70-30 McCain win, and still have the Electoral College in Obama's pocket. THAT would be a very bad thing.

How the hell is that possible? Besides nobody has ever won 70% of the popular vote. I'd be satisfied if McCain wins 300.

361 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:13:21am

re: #357 pegcity

how about vote for obama cause hes good for the economy, oh wait.

no how about vote for obama cause he has great plans for americans energey problem, nope not that either.

Um he has cool signs?

Right. Exactly my point. They are empty on everything except "hope" and that he is black. That loses. Not because Americans are racist but because we expect substance.

362 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:13:43am

re: #345 rwmofo

OOOHHhhhhhkay- I didn't understand your two stadium thought. That would only come into play when talking about HR's- the different stadium dimensions and all. The record is just total hits- a bunt single is a bunt single in either stadium. Oh Lou Oh Lou, don't you want to be like your Uncle Otto?

363 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:13:54am

Everything the left has done to try and smear McCain/Palin has utterly backfired!

Keep up the great job you leftist wacko kooks!

364 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:14:47am
365 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:15:08am

McCain is at the NASCAR race in Loudon, NH, and spoke a couple of sentences before another guy gave the "Gentlemen, start your engines" command. Mentioned the TX storm damage and spoke of the people there.

I like the man.

366 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:15:28am

re: #361 tokyobk

um north korea, pakistan, russia, iran, China.

right there is reason enough not to elect some weirdo Corrupt empty suit chicago politician with no real experience.

The world needs leadership now more than ever.

We can't afford one slip up now, electing Obama would guarantee well i don't even want to go imagine.

367 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:15:34am

re: #363 republic

Everything the left has done to try and smear McCain/Palin has utterly backfired!

Keep up the great job you leftist wacko kooks!

It's like a negative feedback loop. Their smears and hate backfired on them, causing them to hate/smear even more. The only possible result is absolute mental breakdown and possible institutionalization.

368 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:15:35am

re: #350 tokyobk

But nothing would have happened without the heavy Republican Party support- Al Gore's Demonrat Senator father even voted against it for example.

369 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:16:07am

re: #360 EIDE_Interface

The Electoral College has no obligation to vote the same as the general populace. That's how.

370 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:16:55am

re: #369 6pat6

The Electoral College has no obligation to vote the same as the general populace. That's how.

Oh come on, you don't think the EC would go against the election result? That would mean Civil War 2.0.

371 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:16:55am

re: #365 6pat6

McCain is at the NASCAR race in Loudon, NH, and spoke a couple of sentences before another guy gave the "Gentlemen, start your engines" command. Mentioned the TX storm damage and spoke of the people there.

I like the man.

10's of millions more American voters, fired up, by the way, bitterly clinging to their NASCAR, guns and religion!

372 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:17:11am

re: #320 galloping granny

Note that she was worried about becoming a slave AGAIN. I would love to know just when & where it was that Whoopi was a slave in the first place. I am positive that she is not 150+ years old.

She doesn't look that young.

373 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:17:40am

re: #370 EIDE_Interface

It has, twice in American history.

374 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:18:15am

re: #364 ploome hineni

Obama- folks seem to forget- is half white (American) and only half black (foreign national). Who has a bad rep as a womanizing drunkard who may have been married to another at the time. Not a real lot to be proud of.

375 Nancy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:18:54am

Here you go:
Why Martin Luther King was a Republican
By: Frances Rice = chairman of the National Black Republican Association (NBRA)

Excerpt:
Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tenn., after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

Given the circumstances of that era, it is understandable why Dr. King was a Republican. It was the Republicans who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans passed the civil rights laws of the 1860s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the Democrat-controlled South, one that was fair to blacks. Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's fist goals and timetables.

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

376 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:19:46am

re: #374 LEGION

Obama- folks seem to forget- is half white (American) and only half black (foreign national). Who has a bad rep as a womanizing drunkard who may have been married to another at the time. Not a real lot to be proud of.

Obama's mother was an unwed, 17 year old when she became pregnant with Obama.

377 GGMac  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:21:00am

re: #80 jemima

The kind of photography Jilly can't hope to attain
http://www.masters-of-photography.com/K/ karsh/karsh_churchill_full.html

Thanks for that link - nice to see on this thread to see the work of a photographer with genuine TALENT. :)

378 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:21:37am

If the left wants to instigate a Civil War, I say BRING IT ON. Our side is much better armed.

379 Nancy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:22:41am

re: #376 republic

Correction: his mother was 19 years old not 17.

380 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:23:23am
381 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:23:56am

re: #353 tokyobk
My 23 year old daughter said that she really wanted to vote for the first black president. But after seeing the Saddlebrook forum she changed her mind and is voting for McCain.
I also would love to vote for the first black president. But he will have to be a conservative. (and Obama is only 6.25% black, 50% white, and the rest is Arab.)

382 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:24:47am

re: #352 6pat6

When Obama loses, you'll see riots like the LA riots in the '90s. The Jackasses won't take losing three in a row well, and go completely ape-shit crazy, tearing the cities apart and blaming everything on the Right.

They are like a bunch of crack-addled 20-year-olds. They steal from the taxpayers to keep their $2B/day habit going, and destroy everything they touch.

Bring it on! Bring it on! They do and every money wasting program we spend on them will be diverted to building prisons. Lock them away. If they can't take losing an argument like an adult- we'll have to spank them as children.

383 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:24:48am

re: #381 yah

My 23 year old daughter said that she really wanted to vote for the first black president. But after seeing the Saddlebrook forum she changed her mind and is voting for McCain.
I also would love to vote for the first black president. But he will have to be a conservative. (and Obama is only 6.25% black, 50% white, and the rest is Arab.)

Can you tell us what was her thought process that changed her mind? Kids are most adaptable politically from 18-24.

384 GGMac  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:24:50am

re: #152 gman

Jill Greenberg is the same photographer who forced children to cry in order to take pictures of them crying. Here is the article from the LA Times:

Jill Greenberg is one twisted sister. It would have been appropriate at the time of the article, and should have happened - for her children to have been removed from her "care".

385 6pat6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #382 LEGION

Yup!

386 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:27:43am
387 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:29:17am

re: #379 Nancy

Correction: his mother was 19 years old not 17.

Are you sure about that? She graduated HS around June 1, moved to Hawai'i and became pregnant before December of the same year. Her birthday is November 29, 1942, which would have made her 19 at the time that Obama was born on August 4, 1961. Doing the math backwards, she would have gotten pregnant before November 18th or so. Still 18.

388 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:29:35am

re: #356 lifeofthemind

FDR started the transformation. The great migration North to urban jobs got Blacks into the Democratic machine politics. WW-II and the war production jobs sealed the deal.

"lotm" -

All true - AND - to throw my 2 cents in - I come up with another date with the mover being Martin Luther King, SENIOR. Remember the BIRMINGHAM JAIL.
MLK, Jr. was encarcerated and truthfully lucky to be alive. His dad went to both parties to get him released. The Kennedy's - who were never much for or against the Civil Rights movement bailed him out. Nixon, or his people, did not want to rock the boat - amazing, because Nixon himself was anti race discrimination. The rest is history.

-S-

389 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:30:08am
390 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:30:45am

re: #387 galloping granny

Are you sure about that? She graduated HS around June 1, moved to Hawai'i and became pregnant before December of the same year. Her birthday is November 29, 1942, which would have made her 19 18 for several more months at the time that Obama was born on August 4, 1961. Doing the math backwards, she would have gotten pregnant before November 18th or so. Still 18 and might have been 17.

391 DistantThunder  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:30:51am

I hope he puts as big copy of that picture on door to the Oval Office, just to remind people who they are dealing with.

RESPECT!

392 pegcity  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:31:01am

re: #387 galloping granny

no im pretty sure she was 18 when she had him i think he even said so on tv. so she was 17 when she got pregnant.

393 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:31:20am
394 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:32:32am

re: #376 republic

His mommy was a Commie! [Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
She ain't nothing to be proud of either- although folks ain't chanting vote for him JUST because he is white. From her he got his Sal Alinsky teachings. His ACORN training. Why he listened? Who knows- he should have rejected her teachings after she rejected him to be with her new Muslim husband and daughter and do her anthropology diggings. She sent him at age 10 to live with his white grandparents. He was rejected multiple times- that is quite a blow to the psyche! Do we want damaged goods as a Prex? His wife is an angry ANGRY piece of work. Notice they've muffled her recently?

395 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:32:58am

re: #386 ploome hineni

if you want to live under a black president, move to Africa.....

why the hell do you want to live under a black president? what does 'black' bring to the presidency?

Not to mention that Barrak Hussein Obama is hardly a Black American. He has nothing at all in common with the culture or the life experiences of 99% of Black Americans. What part of his youth he spent in the USA, he spent in Hawai'i- the single most multi-cultural state in the union.

396 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:33:36am
397 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:33:50am

re: #392 pegcity

no im pretty sure she was 18 when she had him i think he even said so on tv. so she was 17 when she got pregnant.

Yup, I agree with you.

398 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:34:32am

re: #383 EIDE_Interface

She said that Obama could not answer the questions and seemed kind of dumb. That McCain was quick and able. I think she was really disappointed by Obama. She wanted to do the "in" thing, but is smart enough to know that she would be much safer with McCain.
Sort of like it would be "cool" to date Obama for awhile, but when it comes to marriage she would pick McCain.

399 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:35:15am
400 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:36:26am
401 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:03am
402 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:25am
403 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:28am

re: #378 EIDE_Interface

If the left wants to instigate a Civil War, I say BRING IT ON. Our side is much better armed.

When cornered most Libs will take the passive aggressive "oh, man relax, take it easy it was just a joke/prank" angle. Then if you continue to call them out, YOU become the bad guy. It's rare that one will unabashedly admit their deeds like this photographer has. Their increasingly open acts of hostility towards those who live in fly-over country is a sign. I'm just not sure yet what that sign portends.

404 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:32am

re: #399 ploome hineni

the posters are not responding at all to my post

what kind of 'legitimate' discussion is this?

He is a sleeper, a plant and empty suit

I strongly agree.

405 republic  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:39:32am

re: #379 Nancy

Correction: his mother was 19 years old not 17.

Obama himself said his mother was 18 when she had him, which I believe put her at 17 when she became pregnant.

I could be wrong.

406 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:40:18am

re: #398 yah

She said that Obama could not answer the questions and seemed kind of dumb. That McCain was quick and able. I think she was really disappointed by Obama. She wanted to do the "in" thing, but is smart enough to know that she would be much safer with McCain.
Sort of like it would be "cool" to date Obama for awhile, but when it comes to marriage she would pick McCain.

Hmm. So she reasoned out that McCain is the better choice! Maybe I shouldn't be so scared of the "youth vote" after all. They do have the ability to come to the right conclusions.

407 Steffan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:42:39am

re: #350 tokyobk

IMO, and I realize some disagree, the Democrats won the black vote fair and square and Reagan, as much as most people here love him, did nothing to stop the final hardcore black Republicans from going Democrat.
Their are enough wealthy and educated as well as hard working blue coller blacks to get a good percentage of them back to the GOP.

Johnson was a mean sonofagun but his embracing of Civil Rights is an amazing, uniquely American, story, also IMO.

Not that amazing. He was only continuing Kennedy's plans. Kennedy knew he was going to take some serious hits in his second term over his civil-rights stance.

We might want to consider a "what-if" question: What would our opinion of JFK be now if he had survived Dallas?

Johnson's policies, politics, and outlook were Wilsonian. He was reading from the same page as Woodrow Wilson and FDR -- his Great Society nanny state policies were exactly on line with FDR's New Deal and Wilson's war socialism.

One of the nastier Wilsonian tendencies is to use an external conflict to consolidate power. Wilson had WWI. FDR had WWII. Johnson used the Gulf of Tonkin Incident to escalate the war in Vietnam; unfortunately for him, it blew up in his face. If Cronkite hadn't declared his opposition to the war, I think Johnson would have run for a second term.

408 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:43:50am

re: #210 FrogMarch

Claire McCaskill is a shrill, vicious partisan hack straight from the sewers of Daily Kos. She used to be my county executive and prosecutor, trust me on this one. Her ex-husband was shot to death in a drug deal. This is the caliber of person she is. How she bamboozled the voters of Missouri is beyond me.

409 Vanderleun  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:44:42am

Ms. Greenberg has seen fit, this morning, to pull the McCain shots out of image rotation at manipulator.com.

Ah, the courage of her convictions!

410 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:47:16am
411 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:47:24am

re: #399 ploome hineni

the posters are not responding at all to my post

what kind of 'legitimate' discussion is this?

He is a sleeper, a plant and empty suit

"ploomie" -

Kids don't get to pick their parents. Eventually they grow up as a sum total of life experiences and choices. It is the series of choices Sen. Obama has made that trouble me, not his ancestors or his color. It is for that reason I am voting with reservations for Sen. McCain.

-S-

412 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:47:34am

JETER TIES LOU GEHRIG IN DRAMATIC FASHION WITH A HOME RUN! HOLY COW!

413 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:48:51am

re: #407 Steffan

Johnson used the Gulf of Tonkin Incident to escalate the war in Vietnam; unfortunately for him, it blew up in his face. If Cronkite hadn't declared his opposition to the war, I think Johnson would have run for a second term.

I have heard it said that he wanted people to beg him to stay so he had a mandate. But no one did.

414 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:49:07am
415 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:49:53am

re: #411 Dr. Shalit

"ploomie" -

Kids don't get to pick their parents. Eventually they grow up as a sum total of life experiences and choices. It is the series of choices Sen. Obama has made that trouble me, not his ancestors or his color. It is for that reason I am voting with reservations for Sen. McCain.

-S-


By the way, Obama's anscestors were never slaves in the US. More likely, they were slave owners not just on his mothers side but father's as well.

416 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:50:04am
417 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:50:15am

re: #401 ploome hineni
Please do not insult my daughter or the "non black" guys here -
I think young (white) people feel it is showing rebellion, it is "new,"
different, unique.

418 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:51:19am

re: #416 ploome hineni

yah and tokybk will not respond

:(

To what? Happy to respond...

419 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:53:15am

re: #415 tokyobk

By the way, Obama's anscestors were never slaves in the US. More likely, they were slave owners not just on his mothers side but father's as well.

Obama has no paternal ancestry in the US. His mother's American family are documented slave owners.

420 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:53:35am

re: #414 ploome hineni

i know

but why did that poster say he want to vote for a black president

lol

"ploomie" -

Probably "White Guilt," which is something I have essentially gotten over. Sensitive and Understanding - OK - Guilty - NO WAY!

-S-

421 gman  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:53:47am

re: #226 doppelganglander

What a repulsive human being.


Exactly. She is the real beast licking blood from her lips.

422 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:55:29am
423 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:55:34am

re: #420 Dr. Shalit
I think that is true of older Americans, but not so much with the young ones.

424 Steffan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:55:40am

re: #413 tokyobk

I have heard it said that he wanted people to beg him to stay so he had a mandate. But no one did.

The public reasons he gave were his health and the fact that public opinion on Vietnam went so far south. He commented to a friend that the men in his family tended to die early and said that he didn't think he'd live to see the end of a second term (IIRC, he died in 1970, so he was right about that).

I think he also realized that Nixon would eat his lunch and drink his milkshake.

425 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:56:54am

re: #422 ploome hineni

Go look it up.

426 Steffan  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:57:29am

re: #420 Dr. Shalit

"ploomie" -

Probably "White Guilt," which is something I have essentially gotten over. Sensitive and Understanding - OK - Guilty - NO WAY!

-S-

Hey, my family wore blue in that war. I have nothing to be guilty about.

427 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:58:16am

I know this hippie-dippie 60s liberal guy. He's just a pure hater. Give no validity to my arguments at all. I listen patiently to whatever he says, but he doesn't.

428 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:59:01am
429 neocon hippie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:59:33am

re: #280 ploome hineni

the real picture

403 forbidden

430 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:00:40pm
431 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:01:21pm
432 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:03:17pm

The Atlanta now is denying involvement, saying that they're appalled by this photographer. So have they rejected her work product? (No.)

433 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:03:59pm

re: #428 ploome hineni

did you show him all the Black presidents in Africa where they have returned to African culture?

and are doing away with colonial 'white' values, like law, freedom and equal rights for everyone?

Why would I do that?
How is that relevant in any way?
Unless you believe that being black predisposes one to being a bad leader, which perhaps you do, and I don't care if you do, but I do not.

434 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:06:45pm
What was firing was a strobe positioned below him, which cast the horror movie shadows across his face and on the wall right behind him. “He had no idea he was being lit from below,” Greenberg says. And his handlers didn’t seem to notice it either ". I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she add

yeah...sophisticated-- almost as sophisticated as the 9 year old boys in my neighborhood throwing stink bombs or blowing on their arms to make "fart" sounds....

435 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:09:32pm
436 yah  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:11:03pm

re: #430 ploome hineni
You are on a very low wavelength.

437 LEGION  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:12:00pm

re: #434 twincitiesgirl

She mocks the McCain staff for not being "very sophisticated" about lighting when, in truth, the lighting used for a professional photo session is very complicated. There are umbrella lights, fill spots, and a raft of others being used at any given time.

Just like clean politics are complicated to them.

438 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:13:25pm
439 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:14:45pm
440 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:15:31pm

re: #428 ploome hineni

did you show him all the Black presidents in Africa where they have returned to African culture?

and are doing away with colonial 'white' values, like law, freedom and equal rights for everyone?

"Ploomie" -

"Big Man" rule tends to terrorize and impoverish any nation where it is tried. Africa is NOT the only place - Cuba springs to mind immediately, as does "Iran" and China under Mao. Technology has improved over the years, human nature is much the same.

-S-

441 tokyobk  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:16:11pm

re: #435 ploome hineni

tokyobk

well, what does this mean?


and I point out to you, that there are many black presidents in Africa

UNENCUMBERED with hard won European values like law, freedom and equal rights for all

am I wrong?

I happen to think that one of the worst things that ever happen to africa was the way colonialism ended. That said, their were horrible, horrible things done in Africa, such as in the Belgian Congo where about 3 million people were slaughtered by Europeans (European values, too? or just the good stuff you mention). You don't actually believe, by the way, that European colonists offered native blacks freedom, equality and equal rights for all do you. Where? When?

None of that justifies the terrible state of Africa and I am the last person to blame "whitey" for what ails that continent.

Now, that has absolutely nothing to two with two American kids in the 1970's dreaming one day that their country, in which their ancestors were slaves, would have a black president. Nor doeas the state of Africa have any thing to do with a father being happy that his daughter can see a black man running for president when his mother and grandmother could not have imagined such a thing.

To me, that says something great about America though I do not think Barack Obama is the right man to be the first black president or president of anything except Harvard University, where he would be great raising money and giving speeches.

442 hazzyday  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:16:50pm

Smarter than you sophisticated photographer says voters are dumb stupid hicks for even considering McCain. Atlantic Monthly agrees wholeheartedly.

443 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:17:19pm
444 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:19:07pm
445 sbrowning  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:21:25pm

Many are probably aware that the nazi's used this exact same trick when trying to drum up support for their policy of euthanasia for the mental challenged. They made propaganda films where they shot patients from below with this same lighting in order to make them appear menacing. Way to go Dems!

446 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:22:16pm

re: #437 LEGION

It just boggles my mind any adult could be that immature, and I'm not talking about young adults either.

447 Mardukhai  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:46:51pm

re: #359 tokyobk

Johnson may have grown up under segregation, but his hatred of racism and bigotry was long standing.

New information has come to light that as a young Congressman, he arranged to have forged US visas sent to Jews in Warsaw. He broke the law, and broke with Roosevelt over that issue.

448 mgscheue  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 12:48:57pm

My fellow photographers on SportsShooter have an intesting discussion going about this. [Link: www.sportsshooter.com...] Not much love for Jill going around.

Her utter lack of professionalism is an embarrassment to our profession. Assuming this was a reasoned act for political reasons, selfish self-promotion, or both, and not just the behavior of a person completely lacking in maturity and self-control, I think she'll find it's going to have quite the opposite of the intended effect.

449 Salem  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 1:05:53pm

Too bad she's so sick in the head, most of the work on her site exhibits true talent.

But after seeing her "war-monger" manipulation of McCain I have no pity for her. Rather, I take back every unflattering thing I've said about McCain. Way to go, Jill, you ravening weasel.

450 conservativeChick  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 1:42:16pm

The Atlantic is one of the biggest anti-semitic magazine in America. They also promote the homosexual agenda alot in their writing. Ironic isn't since the only place where gays can live in the Middle East without being killed for their lifestyle chocie is Israel. Irony at its finest.

451 dak  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 1:45:29pm

No I guess they are not very sophisticated. The photographer, on the other hand, as all democrats, is very sophisticated. And as all democrats, use that sophistication trick and subvert.

Don't worry honey, McCain won't pull an Obamatantrum over this. He's seen worse, from the North Vietnamese Commies, people you were no doubt demonstrating for back in the seventies.

452 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:04:17pm
453 dave in NC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:09:50pm

The Anchoress lists her under the category "Perpetual Adolescents;" seems fitting.

454 wolfie  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:18:36pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Allright folks, I'm off to the airport. I might not be around for a few weeks. Play nice.

Have a wonderful trip, KT !
Hope the seafood is delicious!

455 mattm  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:36:29pm

So, um, professional.

456 rickadams  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:37:35pm

Mumble mumble years ago I was putting myself through college working for the local paper, covering county politics. There was a local politician who seemed like a decent enough sort to me, but the rest of the staff (who were far more liberal than I was) hated her.

They had a "special" photo of her that they put in at every possible opportunity. It showed her resting her chin on her hands, taken at an angle that made it appear one of her fingers was up her nose. Ho ho. How amusing.

I'd even take my camera to an event, shoot a picture of her, develop the picture, lay out the article and paste it in the layout myself (by hand, since this was back in the olden days), then head for home... and read the paper the next day and find my photo yanked and the "special" photo in its place.

Remember the anti-abortion protests involving people evenly spaced along a long street holding "Abortion Kills Babies" signs? The sight of all those people lined up on both sides of the street, seemingly receding into infinity, was visually impressive, right? You'd think that'd make a pretty arresting picture.

But nooo... my local paper sent a photographer up and down the line to find the ONE person among many hundreds who best fit the gap-toothed, slack-jawed reprobate image they were looking for, and a photo of JUST THAT ONE GUY, close cropped, all by his lonesome, was on the front page the next day.

Fun with photos.

457 gunjam  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:55:06pm

Question: Name for me -- off the top of your head -- 10 people outside of NYC or the Ivy League campuses who actually READ

The Atlantic

, let alone SUBSCRIBE to it.

458 dave in NC  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 2:55:48pm

re: #352 6pat6

ammo up!

459 Kulhwch  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 3:01:56pm
Relax, Ms. Greenberg, and munch your tofu or carpet in complete security.

Love it.  I'm sure she's rough trade indeed.

In addition, it might be a good thing if advertisers and media buyers were alerted to this episode. I'm going to do my share.

You see, I no longer write to editors about these frauds and outrages, I write to the advertisers. You should too.

...

Clients include: Phillip Morris, Proctor and Gamble, Kraft Foods, Target, Microsoft, RCA, Epson, Polaroid, Dow Jones, Paramount Pictures, MGM, Sony Pictures, HBO, Showtime, Disney, Miller Beer, Anheuser Busch, Pepsi, Coca Cola, Burger King, Frito Lay, Allied Domecq/Beefeater, Seagrams, Bacardi, L'Oreal, MTV, Time, Newsweek, Wired, GQ, Outside, Interview, Los Angeles.

Beverly Hills photographer Jill Greenberg's Current Client List. Proud to be associated with her?

I bet we can work up an email/snailmail list for these clients, as well as The Atlantic ... see next comment.

I am a pretty hard core Democrat. Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.”

I'm sure they're just now realizing that Greenberg's a craven whore for the left*.  (Sorry for the redundancy there.)  And I have to point out that there's a distinction between a prostitute and a whore.  A prostitute I can respect, they at least have professionalism.

Disclaimer: all opinions in this opinion are my opinions and not necessarily the opinions of any of the other opinionated people added their opinions to this page, and are opinions only.  So sit and spin, leftards.

}:)     [*Or cooze for the kos, if you will ... ]

460 Kulhwch  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 3:14:22pm

Okay, here's the snailmail/phone/fax list I mentioned in my previous comment (#459):

Allied Domecq/Beefeater: Allied Domecq PLC, The Pavilions, Bridgwater Road, Bedminster Down, Bristol BS13 8AR, United Kingdom -- Phone: +44 117 978-5000 - Fax: +44 117 978-5300.

Anheuser Busch, 1 Busch Pl., St. Louis, MO 63118 -- Phone: 314 577-2000 - Fax: 314 577-2900.

The Atlantic, The Watergate, 600 New Hampshire Ave., N.W., Washington, D.C. 20037 -- Phone: 202 266-6000 - Fax: 202 833-8069.

Bacardi USA, Inc., 3010 Old Ranch Pkwy 100, Seal Beach, CA 90740-2750 -- Phone: 562 594-8151 - FAX: 562 594-5810.

Burger King Corporation, 5505 Blue Lagoon Dr., Miami, FL 33126 -- Phone: 305 378-3000 - Fax: 305 378-7262.

Coca Cola Enterprizes, Inc., P. O. Box 723040, Atlanta, GA 31139-0040 -- Phone: 770 989-3000 - 770 989-3790.

Dow Jones, World Financial Center, 200 Liberty St., New York, NY 10281 -- Phone: 212 416-2000 - Fax: 212 416-4348.

Epson America, Inc., 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 -- Phone: 562 290-5103 - Fax: 562 997-5749.

Frito Lay Company, 7701 Legacy Dr., Plano, TX 75024-4099 -- Phone: 972 334-7000 - Fax: 972 334-2019.

GQ Business Products, 11359 Grooms Rd., Cincinnati, OH 45242-1405 -- Phone: 513 792-4750 - FAX: 513 489-4433.

HBO: Home Box Office Inc., 1100 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036 -- Phone: 212 512-1000 - Fax: 212 512-5517.

Interview Magazine: Brant Publications Inc., 575 Broadway New York, NY 10012 -- Phone: 212 941-2800 - Fax: 212 941-2927.

Joseph E. Seagram & Sons, Inc., 375 Park Ave., New York NY 10152 -- Phone: 212 572-7000 - Fax: 212 572-1022.

Kraft Foods, 3 Lakes Dr. Northfield, IL 60093 -- Phone: 847 646-2000 - Fax: 847 646-6005 or 847 646-2922.

L'Oreal USA, Inc., 159 Terminal Ave., Clark, NJ 07066-1320 -- Phone: 732 499-6690 - FAX: 732 396-8607.

Los Angeles Magazine, 5900 Wilshire Blvd., 10th Floor, Los Angeles, CA 90036 -- Phone: 323 801-0100 - Fax: 323 801-0105.

Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052-6399 -- Phone: 425 706-7329 - Fax: 425 882-8080.

Miller Beer: Miller Brewing Company, 3939 W. Highland Blvd., Milwaukee, WI 53201 -- Phone: 414 931-2000 - Fax: 414 931-3735.

MGM: Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., 2500 Broadway St., Santa Monica, CA 90404-3061 -- Phone: 310 449-3000 - Fax: 310 449-3100.

MTV Networks, 1515 Broadway, New York, NY 10036 -- Phone: 212 258-8000 - Fax: 212-258-6175.

Newsweek, 251 W. 57th St., New York, NY 10019 -- Phone: 212 445-4000 - Fax: 212 445-5068.

Outside Magazine, 420 Lexington Ave., Ste. 440, New York, NY 10170 -- Phone: 212 972-4650 - Fax: 212 949-7538.

Paramount Pictures - Motion Pictures Group, 5555 Melrose Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90038-3197 -- 323 956-5000 - Fax: 323 862-0101.

Pepsi: PepsiCo, see Frito Lay Company, above.

Philip Morris Inc., 100 Park Ave., New York, NY 10017 -- Phone: 917 663-3861 - Fax: 917 663-2167.

Polaroid Corporation, 549 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA 02139 -- Phone: 781 386-2000 - Fax: 781 386-3924.

Procter & Gamble, 1 Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202 -- Phone: 513 983-1100 - Fax: 513 983-3750.

RCA: Thomson Products (RCA), PO Box 1490, Durant, OK 74702-1490 -- Phone: 580 634-0160 - Fax: 317 587-9017.

Showtime Networks, Inc., 10880 Wilshire Blvd, Ste 1600, L. A., CA 90024 -- Phone: 310 234-5497 - Fax: 310 234-5390.

Sony Pictures Entertainment, 10202 W. Washington Blvd., Cohn Bldg. #2500, Culver City, CA 90232-3195 -- Phone: 310 244-4510 - Fax: 310 244-2345.

Target Stores, 33 S 6th St., Minneapolis MN 55402 -- Phone: 612-304-5104 - Fax: 612 304-5104.

Time Magazine, Time & Life Bldg., Rockefeller Center, New York, NY 10020 -- Phone: 212 522-1212 - Fax: 212 522-0323.

Walt Disney Studios, 500 S. Buena Vista St., Burbank, CA 91521-5657 -- Phone: 818 560-7391 - Fax: 818 557-0356.

Wired Magazine, 4 Times Square, 19th Floor, New York, NY 10036 -- Phone: 212 286-2860 - Fax: 212 286-5254.

}:)     [Whew!]

461 least  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 3:16:40pm

re: #452 buzzsawmonkey

re: #450 conservativeChick

The Atlantic is one of the biggest anti-semitic magazine in America. They also promote the homosexual agenda alot in their writing. Ironic isn't since the only place where gays can live in the Middle East without being killed for their lifestyle chocie is Israel. Irony at its finest.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what is the basis for your saying so?

Quick . . . name the only country in the ME with a "Gay Pride Parade/Day"
Hint: It won't be found in the Ummah

462 Age Of Freedom  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:03:58pm

Oh my god.
These nazi-made images are proudly displayed on her site.

What a fucking c***t.

463 Larry L. Sharp  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:05:18pm

Jill Greenberg is not a photographer. She's a picture taker. Taking pictures of Senator John S. McCain is out of her league. She is obviously better suited for taking pictures of hemorrhoid flareups at Folsom Street Fair or Up Your Alley in San Francisco.

464 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:27:00pm

re: #463 Larry L. Sharp

Jill Greenberg is not a photographer. She's a picture taker. Taking pictures of Senator John S. McCain is out of her league. She is obviously better suited for taking pictures of hemorrhoid flareups at Folsom Street Fair or Up Your Alley in San Francisco.

"L.L.Sharp" -

Take nothing away from her technical talent - for I shall not - AND - Jill Greenberg - never forget that you are the LENI RIEFENSTHAL of your cause and generation - are you proud? Pray Tell - TELL!

-S-

465 looking closely  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:33:46pm

This is the very definition of "unprofessional".

Hope she enjoyed the 15 minutes, because I think this photographer will find her employment drying up over the next few months.

466 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:53:56pm

re: #465 looking closely

This is the very definition of "unprofessional".

Hope she enjoyed the 15 minutes, because I think this photographer will find her employment drying up over the next few months.

"l-c" -

Actually, thinking about it - I make this 'Modest Proposal' - STEAL THE IMAGE -
Make it into a Korda-like "Che-Dropout." Put it on T-Shirts with something like -
"The Name is McCain - M-C-C-A-I-N" underneath and let her sue. Claim "Fair Useage" and laugh our collective BUTTS off. She will likely win - and - by that time, the election will be OVER.

-S-

467 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:54:26pm
468 RTLM  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:56:31pm

Heh - via newsbusters

469 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:56:47pm

re: #467 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, yes--but what has that to do with the Atlantic?

"buzz" -

As compared to GAZA, the nameless nation is Club Med. The Med meets the Atlantic at Gibraltar. That is all.

-S-

470 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 4:59:29pm
471 Hellfire  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 5:01:09pm

You know, for years people tell me to set aside politics, to keep it separate when I deal with people. Well I don't, I refuse, the last 10-15 years have taught me that I need to know just WHO it is I'm dealing with.

472 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 5:17:26pm

re: #470 buzzsawmonkey

Well...that was obscure.

"Buzz" -

I tried to use "NUANCE" - the Company that might make Sen. McCain at least look "Computer Savvy" - Dragon - Naturally Speaking - $99 for Basic, $199 for "Pro" - the best voice recognition program available today for HUMAN prices.
The reality IS that Israel is STILL the only ADULT nation in the Middle East. The others are - for better or worse - at best adolescent. Really too bad, if they were to adjust to a late 18th/early 19th Jeffersonian view of the role of religion in a modern state - the WORLD would probably be at peace.

-S-

473 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 5:19:31pm
474 cardinal4  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 5:29:06pm

re: #1 MandyMannersThey are not even being subtle anymore. Keep it up, I say, they are burying themselves..

475 ackomanyuki  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 5:33:53pm

On of Obama's Bolsheviks stole my McCain yard sign this afternoon while I was out buying my kid a trailer bike to pull behind my own.

It lasted three weeks. I have two more on the way that I ordered the Saturday after the veep announcement. I ordered another ten today and a large banner to string up high between my two large oak trees, a place beyond the reach of their grubby Marxist paws.

The new yard signs will be set in concrete and liberally covered in bear repellent.

Let the games begin!

476 irish rose  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 6:01:28pm

Yeesh, what a biotch.

477 charles_martel  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 6:05:57pm

McCain's media manager failed in his job that day. I am a photographer, and I can tell you that all he had to do was walk over to where the assistant was downloading and saving the shots, and he would have seen the lurid lighting. McCain's people failed in their job to protect his image.

And it was the height of unprofessionalism on the part of the photographer. The Atlantic editor who booked her should blackball her from his magazine permanently. All other editors should refuse to hire her again after this. See how badly it reflects on the publication?

478 Age Of Freedom  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 6:09:09pm

re: #475 ackomanyuki

On of Obama's Bolsheviks stole my McCain yard sign this afternoon while I was out buying my kid a trailer bike to pull behind my own.

It lasted three weeks. I have two more on the way that I ordered the Saturday after the veep announcement. I ordered another ten today and a large banner to string up high between my two large oak trees, a place beyond the reach of their grubby Marxist paws.

The new yard signs will be set in concrete and liberally covered in bear repellent.

Let the games begin!

You should place some sort of sticky glue / goo on the McCain sign, where it's invisible until a marxist fascist tries to nab it out of the ground. Dip it something nasty but transparent. If not that then some sort of don't-tase-me-bro current through it.

I am actually worried about putting McCain sticker on my car where I am. I just know that since it can't be removed from the outside, the fascist punks will shatter the glass.

479 Daisy  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 6:59:18pm

For about 5 minutes during this election cycle the Left wasn't having a temper tantrum. I'm both annoyed and relieved to see they've completely reverted to type. It cost them the last 2 elections, and hopefully will cost them this one too.

480 smaug6  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 9:07:50pm

He looks like a tough old SOB in that picture to me. That is what I want in a president. Good job lady.

481 Ezekiel2517  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:03:58pm

What is this Atlantis magazine anyway? First time I've heard of it...

482 dave fitz  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:18am

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that McCain and his handlers knew exactly what was up.

There were two possibilities: Greenberg would shoot photos professionally, in which case no harm done, or Greenberg would abuse her position and make the Left look stupid and mean. After all, there are thousands of photos of McCain out there- a single bad photo doesn't really have any impact.
The only real impact of Greenberg's childish and vicious stunt is to hurt Greenberg, put the Left on the defensive, and put every voter who hears about this in a mood to believe that the Left is tampering with the media. If that last strikes home hard enough, even real scandals or embarrassing photos will be brushed off as "another hack with Photoshop", so it's very valuable to McCain/Palin that ordinary Americans see the media as biased and the Left as dishonorable.

(Not that I'm doubting either of those, but there are a lot of Americans who aren't convinced yet. Maybe this will work the treat.)

In the meantime, Obama/Biden are hitting critical mass. I would gently suggest that decent Americans should be stockpiling precious metals: phosphorized steel, copper-jacketed lead, and tin cans full of food. The crater from this particular auguring-in is going to be epic.

Dave

483 Ledger1  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:05:24am

re: #84 zombie

[Picture of ugly mole on Obama's face]

Zombie:

5. The mole on his face is slightly more repellent than I had previously realized.

See number five

I can picture Obama in W.C Field’s Barber’s chair:

W.C. Fields: 'Is that a mole?'

Obama: ‘Yeah

W.C Fields with a quick stroke of his razor: 'You don't have it anymore.'

484 CavillingCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:12:48am

Re post by rickadams:
The paper in my small Ontario city does the same thing with the Life Chain event: a photo showing a small segment of the large crowd, usually only small children or elderly people, with a brief dismissive caption, underestimating the size of the crowd, placed on a back page. On the other hand, the "Take Back The Night" walk, also held annually, gets a prominent position, a lengthy story and a photo in which every one of the 25-50 participants is included, filling the frame. I've also noticed that their photos of Pres. Bush seem to be chosen with the aim of making him look stupid or angry.

485 gonecamping  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:50:08am

re: #28 opnion

This is a very juvenile tactic. I have noticed among my own extended family & friends that the Lib's seem to be very unacquainted with maturity.

They probably sing the Toys R Us theme when getting together..

"I don't want to grow up..."

486 cubkthomas  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:59:51pm

While this woman is clearly a disgusting and poisonous bitch, I have to say that I actually find the picture on the magazine cover to be pretty nice. I saw it before the story broke and I thought it looked distinguished and frankly quite presidential.
*obviously this does not apply to the smut on her website... Just the cover picture.

487 sarabeara  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:04:11pm

So how will she shoot the Dems who voted for moving forward into Iraq? Oh, that's right, they was lied to. Perhaps dunce caps? I'm with Stupid T-shirts?

488 the_flying_pig  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:48:41pm

re: #24 MandyManners

No boycott. Why not paparazzi action on her just to expose her ugly side that she doesn't wanted the public to see for real?

489 That dog won't hunt  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:37:54pm

i got a new avatar


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