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Open | Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:30:00 pm PDT

If there is any consistent enemy of science, it is not religion, but irrationalism.

Stephen Jay Gould

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1 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:31:21pm

Yeah, most people that don't understand science are very irrational.

2 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:13pm

I honor the gift we get from the English of being flexible. It may appear irrational compared to the oh so linear and metric French. The English did not have a written Constitution because they did not need one. Rationality can be a dead end.

3 lifeofthemind  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:46pm

Sleep time

4 Bobibutu  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:37:47pm

Occasionally one meets a teacher that is religious and trained in the scientific method and/or art of war. I was blessed with several of these. I have also been battered by nuns who were quite irrational.

5 lummox  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:40:54pm

re: #271 rabidfox

OY: I found this link over at Powerline and thought I'd pass it on. Apparently Pacifica Radio had Mike Gavel on (former Ak dem senator) thinking they were going to get the dirt on Palin. Didn't quite work out that way. It's a hoot!

[Link: johnrlott.blogspot.com...]

6 lummox  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:42:17pm
7 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:43:27pm

I think irrationalism might just be the enemy of all of humanity.

8 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:43:31pm

re: #6 lummox

Just listened to it. Love how the radio hosts try to hammer on all the dem slander points and he dismisses most of them.

9 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:44:30pm

Interesting article and comment thread on the turmoil on Wall St.

10 lummox  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:45:11pm

OOPS! THIS is it

12 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:46:54pm
[W]e must be wary of granting too much power to natural selection by viewing all basic capacities of our brain as direct adaptations. I do not doubt that natural selection acted in building our oversized brains -- and I am equally confident that our brains became large as an adaptation for definite roles (probably a complex set of interacting functions). But these assumptions do not lead to the notion, often uncritically embraced by strict Darwinians, that all major capacities of the brain must arise as direct products of natural selection.

--Stephen Jay Gould, The Mismeasure of Man

(In other words, there are things about us that Darwin's thought cannot explain.)

13 Tamron  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:47:19pm

re: #8 BlueCanuck

Just listened to it. Love how the radio hosts try to hammer on all the dem slander points and he dismisses most of them.

Yeah, and the best point of all is that Senator Gravel isn't a Republican and says he's not voting for them. That give him a lot more credibility than one of the typical talking heads.

He's basically telling the radio hosts that they need some adult supervision.
.

14 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:49:05pm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

But of course. The evil jewish settlers must let the rightful dwellers of palestine wipe them out and not raise a single finger in retaliation. After all their unlawful presence is goading the rightful palestinians into attacking them.


/ouch that hurt to right. Anybody got some rum?

15 WrathofG-d  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:52:09pm

re: #14 BlueCanuck

When the MSM starts to call the Arab/Muslims living within pre-1967 Israel "settlers" and their neighborhoods "Arab settlements" I might start taking them seriously.

They completely ignore the real story is that without any provocation the Arabs entered the peaceful Jewish neighborhood and attempted to kill a 9-year old boy, by stabbing him to death.

16 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:53:51pm

re: #15 WrathofG-d

Yeah, I know. Muslims for some reason seem to get a bye on everything they do lately. Any one retaliating seems to be painted as racist war mongers.

17 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:54:16pm

re: #14 BlueCanuck

/ouch that hurt to right. Anybody got some rum?

How 'bout some Carlo Rossi Paisano?

18 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:54:23pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I think irrationalism might just be the enemy of all of humanity.

I completely agree.

19 WrathofG-d  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:55:32pm

re: #18 EIDE_Interface

Define "rational".

I get the sense that "rational" is used around here as a code-word for "what I believe".

20 BlueCanuck  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:55:49pm

re: #17 victor_yugo

Sounds expensive, any good?

/expensive does not always mean tasty.

21 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:55:58pm

re: #12 victor_yugo

--Stephen Jay Gould, The Mismeasure of Man

(In other words, there are things about us that Darwin's thought cannot explain.)

Darwin's theory is more of an all-encompassing concept of adapations coming from competition between species and environmental conditions. I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with it.

22 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:56:28pm

re: #19 WrathofG-d

Define "rational".

I get the sense that "rational" is used around here as a code-word for "what I believe".

Read "The Dialogues of Socrates" for my take on rationality.

23 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:56:42pm

Sarah Palin reminds me a lot of Golda Meir...

24 WrathofG-d  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:57:09pm

re: #22 EIDE_Interface

Socrates was a boy-lover. I'd be cautious as using him as your definition of "rational"

:)

25 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Sep 14, 2008 11:59:40pm

One night, as he finished his last beer, Joe's doorbell rang. He answered the door and found a six-foot cockroach standing there. The bug grabbed him by the collar and threw him across the room, then left. The next night, the doorbell rang, and he found the same six-foot cockroach standing there. The big bug punched him in the stomach, then left. The same thing happened the next night. This time, he was kneed in the groin and hit behind the ear as he doubled over in pain. Then the big bug left. The following day, Joe went to see his doctor. He explained the events of the preceding four nights. "What can I do, Doc?" he pleaded.

"Not much," the doctor replied.

"There's just a nasty bug going around."

26 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:00:50am

re: #24 WrathofG-d

Socrates was a boy-lover. I'd be cautious as using him as your definition of "rational"

:)

That's ok, I will not judge Socrates sexual preferences. He was the father of rationality!

27 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:01:37am

re: #23 Bob in Breckenridge

Sarah Palin reminds me a lot of Golda Meir...

Huh? How so? Golda was good for Israel and all, but well she was old and ugly.

28 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:02:48am

That Gravel interview was absolute GOLD.

29 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:05:38am

Except for the last minute, when he went back to his lunatic self.

30 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:08:27am

The only sane Democrats are blue-dogs.

31 abolitionist  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:09:07am
Pythagoras' proof of the existence of irrational numbers follows. This discovery so changed the Geek view of the universe that they drowned one of their order, Hippasus of Metapontum, for divulging the existence of irrational numbers to an outsider.
[snip]

[Link: www.myastrologybook.com...]

Rationality was highly important in the ancient Greek culture. That was a good thing, in most respects.

32 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:09:08am

re: #2 lifeofthemind

I honor the gift we get from the English of being flexible. It may appear irrational compared to the oh so linear and metric French. The English did not have a written Constitution because they did not need one. Rationality can be a dead end.

the English will end up wishing they had one, although it already appears to be too late for them.

33 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:10:00am

re: #4 Bobibutu

Occasionally one meets a teacher that is religious and trained in the scientific method and/or art of war. I was blessed with several of these. I have also been battered by nuns who were quite irrational.

i never met a rational nun: only those in habit and those without...

34 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:11:58am

re: #27 EIDE_Interface

Huh? How so? Golda was good for Israel and all, but well she was old and ugly.

Like PM Mier, Gov. Palin is a woman who came out of nowhere, and whom few actually knew about.

35 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:13:21am

re: #12 victor_yugo

--Stephen Jay Gould, The Mismeasure of Man

(In other words, there are things about us that Darwin's thought cannot explain.)

or, more accurately, there are things about us we don't yet understand, which some will strive to understand, and others will just attribute to other forces out of intellectual bankruptcy.

36 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:13:56am

re: #34 Bob in Breckenridge

Like PM Mier, Gov. Palin is a woman who came out of nowhere, and whom few actually knew about.

Uh that's not really true. She was involved in Mapai/Mapam politics for ages before becoming PM.

37 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:15:36am

re: #20 BlueCanuck

Carlo Rossi wine is not expensive at all. A 1.5gal jug runs about $12 here.

re: #21 EIDE_Interface

Darwin's theory is more of an all-encompassing concept of adapations coming from competition between species and environmental conditions. I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with it.

His point is that Homo sapiens cannot be explained fully from those adaptations. There's something more going on.

38 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:15:46am

re: #14 BlueCanuck

But of course. The evil jewish settlers must let the rightful dwellers of palestine wipe them out and not raise a single finger in retaliation. After all their unlawful presence is goading the rightful palestinians into attacking them.


/ouch that hurt to right. Anybody got some rum?

i'm reading 1948 as relaxation..... ever peruse that?

got fresh sugar cane, dark rum and ice: want a mojito from hell?

/"Bartender! Rum! Rum for my friends!......

(and the rest of these bastids too. %-)

39 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:16:39am

re: #16 BlueCanuck

Yeah, I know. Muslims for some reason seem to get a bye on everything they do lately. Any one retaliating seems to be painted as racist war mongers.

because they will kill you otherwise?

just a swag

40 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:17:21am

re: #17 victor_yugo

How 'bout some Carlo Rossi Paisano?

well, at least it's got ethanol......

/maybe we can run it through the still? %-)

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:18:09am

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Despite record month, Obama needs more cash

“It’s a logistically challenging fundraising environment they face, because time is not on their side and their goals are so ambitious,” said Anthony Corrado, an expert on money and politics.

“Do the math. They have to raise about $3 million a day” to reach an estimated target of about $200 million, he added

42 mineral  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:18:18am

Stephen Jay Gould was irrational.

43 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:18:59am

re: #20 BlueCanuck

Sounds expensive, any good?

/expensive does not always mean tasty.

are you kidding? that's a jug wine..............

/box wine precursor

44 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:20:05am

re: #41 Sharmuta

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Despite record month, Obama needs more cash

Obama's busy, getting experience running things.

(Into the ground.)

45 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:21:47am

re: #40 redc1c4

With wine there is no need for a still, just make some cariboo.

/what some people do up here. freeze the wine and pour off the alcohol

46 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:21:56am

Carlo Rossi wines

Very tongue-in-cheek.

47 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:22:04am

re: #41 Sharmuta

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Despite record month, Obama needs more cash

as seen on Patterico all along.....

i'd feel sorry for them, but i'm too busy egging them on.

%-)

48 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:22:21am

re: #44 Tamron

In July, Obama spent $57 million — more than any prior month and more than the $51 million he collected that month. A large chunk of that cash went to the salaries of his expanding field operation.

His expenses for August were a bit higher because of the extensive advertising he aired that month — including a run of commercials during NBC’s broadcast of the Beijing Olympics.

Just imagine how he'll run a national budget!

49 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:22:28am

re: #45 BlueCanuck

With wine there is no need for a still, just make some cariboo.

/what some people do up here. freeze the wine and pour off the alcohol

That's also how some turn apple cider into apple-jack.

50 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:22:28am

re: #44 Tamron

Obama's busy, getting experience running things.

(Into the ground.)

He already had experience with that in Chicago as a community disorganizer.

51 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:22:49am

re: #45 BlueCanuck

With wine there is no need for a still, just make some cariboo.

/what some people do up here. freeze the wine and pour off the alcohol

like i'm gonna wait til winter.....

it may never freeze here anyway.

52 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:23:50am

re: #51 redc1c4

like i'm gonna wait til winter.....

it may never freeze here anyway.

Don't tell me, the person with the recipe for ice died yesterday? :)

53 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:24:17am

re: #50 BlueCanuck

He already had experience with that in Chicago as a community disorganizer.

Hi, Blue!

54 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:26:55am

Morning Tamron.

55 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:27:54am

re: #54 BlueCanuck

Morning Tamron.

--Still before midnight, here.....

56 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:28:31am

re: #1 BlueCanuck

Yeah, most people that don't understand science are very irrational.


but that's only a theory.

57 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:29:06am

re: #55 Tamron

Right, time zones. Thought you might be on PST.

/where did I put that map again.

58 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:30:41am

re: #56 jcw46

but that's only a theory.

Yeah, and it'll stay thataway, too, until someone can come up with a doubleblind crossover study on irrationality.

Geez! It'd be easier to make on up on PMS!

59 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:31:03am

re: #55 Tamron

Skywarrior in your pic?

60 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:31:41am

re: #58 Tamron

Yeah, and it'll stay thataway, too, until someone can come up with a doubleblind crossover study on irrationality.

Geez! It'd be easier to make on up on PMS!

isn't that marriage?

/white smoke

61 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:31:53am

re: #59 redc1c4

Skywarrior in your pic?

Yup. I loved that old bird!

62 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:05am

re: #12 victor_yugo

[W]e must be wary of granting too much power to natural selection by viewing all basic capacities of our brain as direct adaptations. I do not doubt that natural selection acted in building our oversized brains -- and I am equally confident that our brains became large as an adaptation for definite roles (probably a complex set of interacting functions). But these assumptions do not lead to the notion, often uncritically embraced by strict Darwinians, that all major capacities of the brain must arise as direct products of natural selection.
--Stephen Jay Gould, The Mismeasure of Man

(In other words, there are things about us that Darwin's thought cannot explain.)

Sal: actually, those things that are left unexplained by Darwin's thought applied to genes tend to be explained by Darwin's thought applied to memes.

63 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:04am

re: #62 Salamantis

ah, the good old screaming-meemie thoughts.

64 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:05am

re: #62 Salamantis

[W]e must be wary of granting too much power to natural selection by viewing all basic capacities of our brain as direct adaptations. I do not doubt that natural selection acted in building our oversized brains -- and I am equally confident that our brains became large as an adaptation for definite roles (probably a complex set of interacting functions). But these assumptions do not lead to the notion, often uncritically embraced by strict Darwinians, that all major capacities of the brain must arise as direct products of natural selection.
--Stephen Jay Gould, The Mismeasure of Man

(In other words, there are things about us that Darwin's thought cannot explain.)

Sal: actually, those things that are left unexplained by Darwin's thought applied to genes tend to be explained by Darwin's thought applied to memes.

Oooooh! Way too HEA-VY for me...

("Marty, what does gravity have to do with it?")
.

65 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:08am

re: #37 victor_yugo

Carlo Rossi wine is not expensive at all. A 1.5gal jug runs about $12 here.

re: #21 EIDE_Interface


His point is that Homo sapiens cannot be explained fully from those adaptations. There's something more going on.

Yeah; memetics.

66 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:12am

Rationality may be the hallmark of man, but intuition has its place. Sometimes, in ways we can't explain, let alone justify, we get "just a hunch." The decision to set aside rationality in (temporary) favor of raw perception can yield great benefit to those who know how to do so wisely.

More than once, my intuition has saved my skin. Given how weak my intuition is in general, when it jumps up and down screaming for attention, I figure I'd better take note.

67 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:08am

re: #64 Tamron

Oooooh! Way too HEA-VY for me...

("Marty, what does gravity have to do with it?")
.

Defy the laws of gravity --- SMILE! :>

68 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:28am

We are evolved by natural selection to pick up, or to impose, patterns; to see things in the shadows, whether or not they are there. Those who mistakenly see a predator that is not there just receive a momentary fright; those who miss a predator that is there become the predator's dinner. And do not survive to reproduce and pass on their genes.

69 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:43am

re: #67 jcw46

Defy the laws of gravity --- SMILE! :>

Tried that once, all I got was a nice set of bruises.

/it's hard trying to throw yourself at the ground and missing.

70 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:40:16am

So why does Obama need so much money? I thought he had everything locked up, so the MSM and Daily Kos told me...

71 Tamron  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:03am

re: #68 Salamantis

We are evolved by natural selection to pick up, or to impose, patterns; to see things in the shadows, whether or not they are there. Those who mistakenly see a predator that is not there just receive a momentary fright; those who miss a predator that is there become the predator's dinner. And do not survive to reproduce and pass on their genes.

And they get the Darwin Award for that year!

72 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:29am

Why is the AP writing about this?

Low-profile headquarters for high-profile Obama

There going to get right on a similar article about McCain headquarters, right?

73 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:42am

re: #33 redc1c4

i never met a rational nun: only those in habit and those without...

I may have actually met one .. she was Sister Superior at the boarding school my sisters and I attended for a while. But she was much older than the other nuns so I may be mistaking wisdom for rationality.
;-)

74 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:52am

re: #66 victor_yugo
Actually what you're doing could be termed rationality. Wiki entry for rationality.

"However, rationality is a much broader term than logic, as it includes "uncertain but sensible" arguments based on probability, expectation, personal experience and the like, whereas logic deals principally with provable facts and demonstrably valid relations between them."

75 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:03am

re: #70 EIDE_Interface

So why does Obama need so much money? I thought he had everything locked up, so the MSM and Daily Kos told me...

Uh....and you've been believing them.

76 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:12am

re: #72 Sharmuta

Why is the AP writing about this?

Low-profile headquarters for high-profile Obama

There going to get right on a similar article about McCain headquarters, right?

Slow news day...

77 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:36am

re: #69 BlueCanuck
Listen if arthur could manage it, how hard could it be?

78 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:47am

re: #75 Sharmuta

Uh....and you've been believing them.

Some people can't detect sarcasm...

79 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:43:36am

Sharm: I answered the posts on the evo thread.

80 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:45:38am

re: #78 EIDE_Interface

It has nothing to do with my ability to detect sarcasm- it has to do with the fact that for the last week or two you've been a complete defeatist.

81 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:46:14am

re: #77 jcw46

yeah, but he got distracted at a crucial point.

/never could get that timing right.

82 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:46:20am

re: #62 Salamantis

those things that are left unexplained by Darwin's thought applied to genes tend to be explained by Darwin's thought applied to memes.

Fine, if you get to mis-apply a theory, then so do I:

According to Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem (at least a statement of it last night), the human mind cannot explain itself. If it does, then it alters itself, becoming something different from what it previously understood.

Furthermore, if a human mind suddenly could comprehend itself, it would need to stop functioning in order to lock that understanding into place, lest some outside perception alter it.

Besides, does it bother you that you have become totally predictable?

83 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:47:18am

One common meme is the earworm; that nagging tune you just can't get out of your head...

Oh, at the Copa
Copacabana
The hottest spot north of Havana...

Suffer! hehe

84 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:47:43am

re: #82 victor_yugo

Sounds totally quantum dude.

85 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:48:18am

re: #83 Salamantis

One common meme is the earworm; that nagging tune you just can't get out of your head...

Oh, at the Copa
Copacabana
The hottest spot north of Havana...

Suffer! hehe

I have a far more insidious tune that can drive out any ear-worm you throw at me.

It will be in heavy rotation around Christmas.

86 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:48:19am

re: #83 Salamantis

Keep that up and you're going to get rickrolled.

87 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:00am

re: #80 Sharmuta

It has nothing to do with my ability to detect sarcasm- it has to do with the fact that for the last week or two you've been a complete defeatist.

Target! repeat!

/loads Sabot

UP!

88 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:34am

The way to remove a song stuck in your head is to sing another song. Any song. Even "Happy Birthday" will do.

....at the Coooopaaaaaa........

89 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:40am

re: #83 Salamantis

One common meme is the earworm; that nagging tune you just can't get out of your head...

Oh, at the Copa
Copacabana
The hottest spot north of Havana...

Suffer! hehe

Hey there, Hi there, Ho there.

13) Staring at a Screen Darkly

The advent of the Internet recombines the abolition of space-time barriers to communication with the constant and instant availability of (potentially) practically all textual knowledge, as computer aided design and computer assisted manufacture threaten to leave the proletariat with little beyond bourgeois leisure and a subsistence stipend. The underclass will be known not as the unwashed, but as the unwired. With every computer terminal a samizdat, governments (and religions) will progressively lose their ability to tell the big lies and make them stick (see Zapatista). Guerilla semioticians will increasingly 'poach' the icons and symbols of governmental, religious and corporate institutions and imbue them with different and frequently subversive meanings (The Practice of Everyday Life, Michel de Certeau, 1984). Authority will issue not from age, race, gender or status, but from the internal consistency, logical cogency, linguistic clarity and external coherence of one's positions. Spoken and written language forms will continue vanishing as quickly as endangered species, as informational selection takes its Darwinian toll. The hegemony of employment over location will melt away as more and more jobs can be performed from anywhere with power and a telephone line. Global democracy will supersede multiple national sovereignties as humanity's attachments to borders and boundaries will shrink along with their relevance to the lives of an increasingly individually sovereign citizenry (as Francis Fukuyama foresaw in The End Of History, 1992). The policy debates now occurring within electronic 'town meetings' will be settled by cyber-votes. The Human Genome Project will allow human beings to genetically know themselves (Socrates and Hippocrates would be pleased) and to re-engineer their codes to remove textual errors (inherited defects). If they like the result, genocopies (clones) will be possible, and there is already talk of exploiting the shared binary codes of computer language and the double helix to create DNA computers. The meme will then have traveled full circle, finding its way back to the gene. In the coming millennium, homo sapiens will be both weavers of and woven by, for better or for worse, the informational warp and communicational weft of a co-evolutionary New Web Order.

/suck on it

90 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:08am

re: #83 Salamantis

One common meme is the earworm; that nagging tune you just can't get out of your head...

Oh, at the Copa
Copacabana
The hottest spot north of Havana...

Suffer! hehe

never heard it before.... what is it?

91 Clemente  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:14am

re: #14 BlueCanuck

But of course. The evil jewish settlers must let the rightful dwellers of palestine wipe them out and not raise a single finger in retaliation. After all their unlawful presence is goading the rightful palestinians into attacking them.


/ouch that hurt to right. Anybody got some rum?

The simple notion that an avowed non-Muslim exists is deeply, mortifyingly offensive to the sensibilities of a great majority of Muslims.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:36am

re: #87 redc1c4

High five, yo.

93 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:52am

re: #82 victor_yugo

Fine, if you get to mis-apply a theory, then so do I:

According to Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem (at least a statement of it last night), the human mind cannot explain itself. If it does, then it alters itself, becoming something different from what it previously understood.

Furthermore, if a human mind suddenly could comprehend itself, it would need to stop functioning in order to lock that understanding into place, lest some outside perception alter it.

Besides, does it bother you that you have become totally predictable?


Actually, what it entails is that the human mind never ceases to grow, as new information floods in. Once you understood it all, you'd have to understand that understanding, then understand your understanding of that understanding, and so on ad nauseum ad infinitum.

But we can understand how brains in general work; that is quite different from being cognitively cognizant of everything that is going on in our own.

In that sense, humans are trapped between the absolute unselfawareness of things and the supreme selfunderstanding of deities. The circular snake of self-conscious awareness must bite its own tail, but it cannot swallow its own jaws.

94 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:52:10am

re: #84 BlueCanuck

Sounds totally quantum dude.

Actually, that's part of it. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle states, in essence, that the sum of the certainties of particle position and particle velocity equals a constant. The more definite the measurement of one, the less definite the measurement of the other.

Within the brain, learning anything alters the overall quantum state of the brain. It follows that the brain learning something about itself alters its own quantum state.

If the human brain could fully know its own quantum state, on all levels, it would immediately take on some other quantum state, and that knowledge would become invalid.

95 laZardo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:52:25am

re: #83 Salamantis

Good thing I don't know the notes to that one... this one, on the other hand...

96 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:53:31am

re: #89 Killian Bundy Where's THAT from?

97 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:53:37am

re: #80 Sharmuta

It has nothing to do with my ability to detect sarcasm- it has to do with the fact that for the last week or two you've been a complete defeatist.

Should I be a triumphalist? It's still 50 days to go, I don't want to get overconfident. The MSM and Obama will pull out all the stops to defeat us...

98 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:55am

re: #96 jcw46

Where's THAT from?

Salamantis. I'm sure he'll be very proud to provide a link to it.

99 laZardo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:18am

re: #94 victor_yugo

A bit like Life, the Universe, and Everything...

100 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:20am

re: #94 victor_yugo

I yearn for the days when it was thought memory was holographic instead of quantum. :)

/good news is that there is probably no upper limit to memory.
//just retrieval unfortunately

101 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:22am

Here's some more of it, Killian:

12) Why Technology Had to Precede Language, and the March of the Ur-Meme

The coordinated system of perception and action which humans possess took millions of years to develop, and our huge and finely articulated brains required constant selective reinforcement from the environment in order to evolve. In this sense, our quick strong bright nimbleness is a result of the pre-reproductive demise of a lot of slow weak clumsy dumb ancestors. These are individual skills; those with them have a prima facie reproductive advantage over those without them. Language, however, is social. What possible use could it have been for the first mutant to have a modest capacity for linguistic expression in the absence of interlocutors? Language facility is simply not a likely candidate for gradual evolution in the same manner as hunting and gathering skills. It is much more likely that a genetically dominant second order mutation in brain systems organization hijacked an already elaborated hand-eye coordination system and applied it to the "mouth-ear" nexus (Uniquely Human, Philip Lieberman, 1991). In this way, the social benefits could be realized in just a few generations. Once this mutation spread within a group of hunter-gatherers, its members could yell for help better and both express and apprehend more subtle emotional states – useful skills in a nomadic foraging band. Being informationally rather than biologically based, the machine, phonetic and phonemic principles of tools, signs and texts were nevertheless most likely extrapolated from the gestalt contexture of action/perception; the structures underlining these therefore appear to constitute a combinatorial Ur-meme (The Selfish Gene, Richard Dawkins, 1976). Genes are physical characteristics that exercise configurational control and evolve within a species by means of mutation and natural selection; they are replicated through sexual reproduction between members of that species, and are naturally selected for by the differential rates of reproduction of those who possess them (and the configurations of which they are templates) vs. those who don't, or possess different ones. Memes, on the other hand, are mental/cognitive characteristics that exercise behavioral control, mutate within the minds of their holders, and multiply by being passed between them via communication or imitation. They are replicated by being spread from intentionally or inadvertently teaching carriers to learning recipients, who either intentionally or inadvertently select to accept or reject them, by means of communicative behaviors, such as showing, telling or writing. They evolve by means of the differential selection rates of some memetic variants vs. others (The Selfish Gene, Richard Dawkins, 1976). Self-conscious awareness, signification, intentionality and the capacity to actualize our intentions are required for intentional teaching and learning; only then may we purposefully attempt to direct the evolution and spread of freely chosen memes. Remember the Gaia Hypothesis (James Lovelock, 1979)? It states that the aggregate of terrestrial life tends to regulate its own environment to facilitate its own perpetuation. Now, imagine human minds as, due to the evolution of their somatic perceptual structuring of their surroundings, already favorably disposed environments in which these principles, considered as informational forms of life, or info-species, take root. They would need to protect their niches and to replicate; the first is accomplished by evolving to give the host environment a reason to have them around (much like E. Coli bacteria facilitate digestion) and the second by evolving ease of infection (transmitting/teaching the principles to others).

to be continued...

102 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:30am

re: #89 Killian Bundy
Okay, sorry, missed the attributions as I was scanning.

103 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:34am

Once tool-craft got going, tool forms would evolve to give the best selective advantage to those possessing them at the same time humans would evolve to more quickly and efficiently conceive of and produce better and better tools. Once language piggybacked onto the co-opted coordination system, it would evolve to be most easily absorbed into children's brains at the same time it would offer a progressively greater selective social advantage to those children whose brains were most permeable to it (The Symbolic Species, Terrence W. Deacon, 1997). The evolutionary imperative is in this case exactly the opposite of that of biotic killers such as influenza, measles, and gonorrhea, which had to evolve to become less virulent to allow for their transmission before the death of the host. In their case, the more efficient lose the competition to those strains that manifest slower or less completely. On the contrary, incubation of these info-species grants a selective reproductive advantage to those infected; the evolutionary exigencies therefore gravitate towards more communicable forms with faster incubation and more global mental infestation. Rather than virulent, these memes are budding symbionts; like mental mitochondria. And so telling is more easily and widely communicable than showing, and writing more amenable to distribution than telling. So far this may seem mere speculation, but watch how it dovetails with history.

Once texts began to be created, they became more desired as the literati gained power and influence. Scholars and scribes seemed to exist solely for the task of creating and replicating libraries of texts, which seemed to exist solely to employ scribes and train scholars. Mass production of tools and texts has led to corporate culture, labor division and assembly lines, which in turn have allowed the construction of mass communications systems, and mass transit systems to distribute both the codes and their carriers. These dendritic hybrids of tool, sign and text are connecting human 'neurons' into a terran brain, communicating our codes by means of metacodes. Not only has the ground of past history beneath our feet been excavated by means of our textually informed gaze, but also the horizon of the future has been dissolved into the present as our televisions and telephones abolish space-time through instantaneous communication (The Spell of the Sensuous, David Abram, 1996). And we have made countless copies of them all.

104 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:56:32am

re: #94 victor_yugo

Actually, that's part of it. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle states, in essence, that the sum of the certainties of particle position and particle velocity equals a constant. The more definite the measurement of one, the less definite the measurement of the other.

Within the brain, learning anything alters the overall quantum state of the brain. It follows that the brain learning something about itself alters its own quantum state.

If the human brain could fully know its own quantum state, on all levels, it would immediately take on some other quantum state, and that knowledge would become invalid.

Not incorrect; merely incomplete.

105 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:17am

re: #96 jcw46

Where's THAT from?

I wrote it...and the other except I posted.

106 yochanan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:26am

re: #103 Salamantis

TL;DR

107 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:03am

re: #100 BlueCanuck

I yearn for the days when it was thought memory was holographic instead of quantum. :)

Not to worry; it's both. After all, don't your perceptions of holographic images rely on quantum effects?

108 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:10am

re: #96 jcw46

Where's THAT from?

/Myspace

109 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:01:00am

re: #107 victor_yugo

*pop*

/the sound you just heard was of a brain imploding
//my fault for not keeping up todate.

110 mpj  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:01:13am

To be rational means to adhere to the facts of reality, i.e. to employ reason as one's only means of knowledge. Religion is the antithesis of reason, relying as it does on revelation and faith. To adhere to religion means to suspend one's reason in favor of faith, in the face of evidence contrary to doctrine. It does not get any more irrational than that. Religion is the height of irrationality, and as such, is, and must be, the sworn enemy of science.

111 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:02:47am

re: #110 mpj

To be rational means to adhere to the facts of reality, i.e. to employ reason as one's only means of knowledge. Religion is the antithesis of reason, relying as it does on revelation and faith. To adhere to religion means to suspend one's reason in favor of faith, in the face of evidence contrary to doctrine. It does not get any more irrational than that. Religion is the height of irrationality, and as such, is, and must be, the sworn enemy of science.

Maybe get an avatar.

/and try for twenty

112 Son Of The Godfather  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:03:31am

Earlier this evening, I attended a concert out near Malibu, in California (specifically, on Topanga Blvd near the ocean).

It was like a huge biker party, and I felt like Pee-Wee Herman in that biker scene at the bar.

Anyway, they had some kick-ass bands and performances: Great White was totally awesome, and they can still rock hard. "War" was also excellent (killer sound setup as well). Some local bands were quite enjoyable...

Then they introduced DEVO (if you don't remember, they were most famous for "Whip It" in the 80's). Up until then, the concert had been very apolitical. Then DEVO had to open there stupid yaps and tell us "This is dedicated to Sarah Palin!" and proceeded to play a song called "Mongoloid". Here are the lyrics:

Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
One chromosome too many
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
His friends were unaware
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Nobody even cared

Even more disturbing was when they finished, most of the crowd went wild. I have to force myself to believe that they were unaware of the significance of the putrid dedication... Or are people simply that f***ed up?!? Even my "hippie" wife was horrified. To be honest, the audience reaction was a little milder than other songs and I looked around and saw a few folks looking sheepish or shaking their heads.

Still, it appears nothing is off limits these days.

Anyway, if you happen to encounter any member of DEVO, feel free to *THIS SECTION VIOLATES LGF POLICY*

113 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:04:12am

However, you can't be rational if you're not using real facts. Facts do not exist objectively speaking, they are subjective. One's frame of reference decides everything. Rationality only exists when sufficient number of people agree on a framework.

114 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:06:10am

re: #108 Killian Bundy
Thanks.

115 Molon Labe  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:06:37am

Bolivia is blowing up. See [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

116 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:07:31am

re: #113 EIDE_Interface

However, you can't be rational if you're not using real facts. Facts do not exist objectively speaking, they are subjective. One's frame of reference decides everything. Rationality only exists when sufficient number of people agree on a framework.

I disagree. We have different perspectives on the world, but it is the selfsame world we apprehend from our differing perspectives. What differ are not the objective |(or intersubjective) facts, but the interpretations subjectively overlain upon them.

As Maurice Merleau-Ponty stated:

"If a friend and I are standing before a landscape, and if I attempt to show my friend something which I see and which he does not yet see, we cannot account for the situation by saying that I see something in my own world and that I attempt, by sending verbal messages, to give rise to an analogous perception in the world of my friend. There are not two numerically distinct worlds plus a mediating language which alone would bring us together. There is - and I know it very well if I become impatient with him - a kind of demand that what I see be seen by him also. And at the same time this communication is required by the very thing which I am looking at, by the reflection of sunlight upon it, by its color, by its sensible evidence. The thing imposes itself not as true for every intellect, but as real for every subject who is standing where I am."

117 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:07:39am

re: #112 Son Of The Godfather

Wow- that is disgusting.

118 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:08:50am

re: #105 Salamantis

for what's it's worth; I'm impressed. Killian posted the link and I saved it for later, for more fuller reading.

119 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:10:05am

re: #118 jcw46

for what's it's worth; I'm impressed. Killian posted the link and I saved it for later, for more fuller reading.

I have 17 of my essays posted at that site. Lemme know if you like the one you have enough to wanna read more of them.

120 hazzyday  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:11:01am

re: #110 mpj

Sworn enemy? lol Work some wisdom in, you're talking like a freshman.

121 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:12:53am

re: #113 EIDE_Interface

However, you can't be rational if you're not using real facts. Facts do not exist objectively speaking, they are subjective. One's frame of reference decides everything. Rationality only exists when sufficient number of people agree on a framework.

/Bomb 20

122 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:12:54am

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

Should I be a triumphalist? It's still 50 days to go, I don't want to get overconfident. The MSM and Obama will pull out all the stops to defeat us...

So- it's one extreme or the other? How about looking at the data and realizing that while we're in a fight, it's one we can win. Or- you can run around here spouting off like a defeatist and pissing people off.

123 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:13:19am

re: #112 Son Of The Godfather

Well, that's another band off my play list.

/time to start listening to country and classical music *sigh*

124 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:21am

re: #121 Killian Bundy

Heh heh, you really like that clip don't you. :)

/going to have to see the whole movie some day. Only watched the ending way back on late night t.v.

125 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:15:32am

Bwahahahahaha

Joe Who?

Since the Delaware senator left Obama's side and ventured out on his own on Labor Day, he has hardly garnered any national media interest at all.

His plane, a blue chartered 737, now crosses the country with about three-quarters of its seats empty, rows and rows with nary a warm body to be found.

126 Son Of The Godfather  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:16:56am

re: #123 BlueCanuck

Yup, I hate it when a decent band goes and messes it all up by, you know, talking.

127 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:30am

re: #123 BlueCanuck

Check this excellent classical performance.

By an emo (I think).

128 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:30am

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

Should I be a triumphalist? It's still 50 days to go, I don't want to get overconfident. The MSM and Obama will pull out all the stops to defeat us...

I can relate. It's not the victory or the defeat that gets me, it's the waiting for the results.

129 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:09am

re: #127 victor_yugo

Listened to it earlier and saved it to my youtube faves list.

130 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:54am

re: #129 BlueCanuck

Check out the Flight of the Bumblebee encore.

My balls hurt after watching that one.

131 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:20:48am

re: #130 victor_yugo

Check out the Flight of the Bumblebee encore.

My balls hurt after watching that one.

Don't speak to me of bumblebees and balls. ;)

/long story. no pain involved though thankfully.

132 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:40am

re: #122 Sharmuta

So- it's one extreme or the other? How about looking at the data and realizing that while we're in a fight, it's one we can win. Or- you can run around here spouting off like a defeatist and pissing people off.


Warning of possible negative consequences gets most people down but if we just sit around praising our victories, the enemy may act to our detriment and without counterattack. Though being obsessive about the negative possibilities can be very tiring to those you wish to alert and thus self-defeating.

133 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:53am

re: #112 Son Of The Godfather

Earlier this evening, I attended a concert out near Malibu, in California (specifically, on Topanga Blvd near the ocean).

It was like a huge biker party, and I felt like Pee-Wee Herman in that biker scene at the bar.

Anyway, they had some kick-ass bands and performances: Great White was totally awesome, and they can still rock hard. "War" was also excellent (killer sound setup as well). Some local bands were quite enjoyable...

Then they introduced DEVO (if you don't remember, they were most famous for "Whip It" in the 80's). Up until then, the concert had been very apolitical. Then DEVO had to open there stupid yaps and tell us "This is dedicated to Sarah Palin!" and proceeded to play a song called "Mongoloid". Here are the lyrics:

Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
One chromosome too many
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
His friends were unaware
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Nobody even cared

Even more disturbing was when they finished, most of the crowd went wild. I have to force myself to believe that they were unaware of the significance of the putrid dedication... Or are people simply that f***ed up?!? Even my "hippie" wife was horrified. To be honest, the audience reaction was a little milder than other songs and I looked around and saw a few folks looking sheepish or shaking their heads.

Still, it appears nothing is off limits these days.

Anyway, if you happen to encounter any member of DEVO, feel free to *THIS SECTION VIOLATES LGF POLICY*

well, right until i read the end of this story i was jealous i wasn't there, and a Devo fan.....

now i'm glad i stayed home and i won't be looking to see them any more.

134 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:15am

re: #115 Molon Labe

Bolivia is blowing up. See [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

no great loss.... except to the po' Bolivians.

135 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:46am

Barack Obama Embellishes His Resume

Don’t get me wrong - I’m a big fan of Barack Obama, the Illinois freshman senator and hot young Democratic Party star. But after reading his autobiography, I have to say that Barack engages in some serious exaggeration when he describes a job that he held in the mid-1980s.I know because I sat down the hall from him, in the same department, and worked closely with his boss. I can’t say I was particularly close to Barack - he was reserved and distant towards all of his co-workers - but I was probably as close to him as anyone. I certainly know what he did there, and it bears only a loose resemblance to what he wrote in his book.

Here’s Barack’s account:

Eventually a consulting house to multinational corporations agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my mid-Manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal, checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages from across the globe. As far as I could tell I was the only black man in the company, a source of shame for me but a source of considerable pride for the company’s secretarial pool.

First, it wasn’t a consulting house; it was a small company that published newsletters on international business. Like most newsletter publishers, it was a bit of a sweatshop. I’m sure we all wished that we were high-priced consultants to multinational corporations. But we also enjoyed coming in at ten, wearing jeans to work, flirting with our co-workers, partying when we stayed late, and bonding over the low salaries and heavy workload.

Barack worked on one of the company’s reference publications. Each month customers got a new set of pages on business conditions in a particular country, punched to fit into a three-ring binder. Barack’s job was to get copy from the country correspondents and edit it so that it fit into a standard outline. There was probably some research involved as well, since correspondents usually don’t send exactly what you ask for, and you can’t always decipher their copy. But essentially the job was copyediting.

136 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:33am

Is it just me or is the number of entertainers worthy of spending cash on dwindling? I really don't want to know their politics I just want to be entertained. When they commingle their talent with statements about their politics (especially is particularly stupid or stupidly done) I become unable to be entertained by them as all I can remember is the stupidity and that they are on the opposite side of issues that are central to the well being of myself and this country.

137 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:28:36am

I yearn for the day when all the victories have been won and I can just enjoy the rest of my life. Alas, I don't think it will come in my lifetime.

138 Son Of The Godfather  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:29:52am

re: #133 redc1c4

To be completely honest, the concert was put on either by or for "narcotics anonymous". (no, not my wife or myself!... We "know people")

Not to belittle the NA program, but you could see that there were probably "after-effects" of years of abuse in a majority of the crowd.

139 loveguru  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:19am

Good morning room...

today hit .. to check if the LHC has already destroyed the world...

[Link: www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet. com...]

140 Son Of The Godfather  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:26am

re: #136 jcw46

Is it just me or is the number of entertainers worthy of spending cash on dwindling? I really don't want to know their politics I just want to be entertained. When they commingle their talent with statements about their politics (especially is particularly stupid or stupidly done) I become unable to be entertained by them as all I can remember is the stupidity and that they are on the opposite side of issues that are central to the well being of myself and this country.

Amen.

141 humanliberty  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:31:26am

re: #136 jcw46

Is it just me or is the number of entertainers worthy of spending cash on dwindling? I really don't want to know their politics I just want to be entertained. When they commingle their talent with statements about their politics (especially is particularly stupid or stupidly done) I become unable to be entertained by them as all I can remember is the stupidity and that they are on the opposite side of issues that are central to the well being of myself and this country.

Just dig up some old movies. I was watching the Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston with my girlfriend earlier. Now there was a good entertainer.

142 stuiec  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:31:45am

re: #1 BlueCanuck

Yeah, most people that don't understand science are very irrational.

The only thing more irrational are the people who think they understand science, but don't (see Gore, Albert Jr.).

143 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:52am

re: #141 humanliberty

Just dig up some old movies. I was watching the Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston with my girlfriend earlier. Now there was a good entertainer.

On the Waterfront(1954)

144 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:56am

re: #141 humanliberty

Just dig up some old movies. I was watching the Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston with my girlfriend earlier. Now there was a good entertainer.

I find it hard to think of him without hearing a Jim Rome emailer/caller reference his senility in my head. :)

145 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:33:14am

re: #142 stuiec

The only thing more irrational are the people who think they understand science, but don't (see Gore, Albert Jr.).

"Global warming science is fully decided"

146 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:33:31am

re: #139 loveguru

Good morning room...

today hit .. to check if the LHC has already destroyed the world...

[Link: www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedth eworldyet.com...]


Yeah, so far so good. (that's what the guy who fell off a 50 story building said as he passed the the 30th floor).

147 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:17am

re: #1 BlueCanuck

Yeah, most people that don't understand science are very irrational.

To quote the Prophet:

(Bill Hicks before you go nuts. :))

"Did you ever notice how those that don't believe in evolution look generally... unevolved?
"I believe God made me in one day.
"Looks like he rushed it."

148 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:32am

re: #132 jcw46

Warning of possible negative consequences gets most people down but if we just sit around praising our victories, the enemy may act to our detriment and without counterattack. Though being obsessive about the negative possibilities can be very tiring to those you wish to alert and thus self-defeating.

/marker drop

149 humanliberty  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:37am

re: #115 Molon Labe

Bolivia is blowing up. See [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Santa Cruz will split off. They are rich, intelligent, and free market. The rest of the country seems poor, stupid and communist.

150 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:11am

re: #119 Salamantis

I have 17 of my essays posted at that site. Lemme know if you like the one you have enough to wanna read more of them.

By all means, post all the linkys.

/too much fun

151 yochanan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:24am

re: #125 Sharmuta

Bwahahahahaha

Joe Who?

REMEMBER WHEN OBAMA COMPLAINS ABOUT SLEAZE that is exactly what his folks will be doing.

152 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:57am

re: #149 humanliberty

Santa Cruz will split off. They are rich, intelligent, and free market. The rest of the country seems poor, stupid and communist.

That's okay, we'll just saw them off of California (maybe with Santa Monica as well) and let them float away.

/

153 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:14am

Andrew Sullivan claims that McCain made an outright lie on "The View":

McCain said Palin denied all earmarks

Well the real truth is that she reduced earmarks in her first 2 budgets, not eliminated them. It doesn't help our cause if McCain makes outlandish statements like that for our enemies to pounce upon.

154 yochanan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:53am

re: #146 jcw46

Yeah, so far so good. (that's what the guy who fell off a 50 story building said as he passed the the 30th floor).

NOPE

155 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:37:59am

re: #139 loveguru

Good morning room...

today hit .. to check if the LHC has already destroyed the world...

[Link: www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedth eworldyet.com...]

even a LargeHardon can only do so much damage.....

156 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:00am

re: #152 victor_yugo

That's okay, we'll just saw them off of California (maybe with Santa Monica as well) and let them float away.

/

who's we?

/saw *this*

157 laZardo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:48am

re: #139 loveguru

Oh! I see what you did there.

/the immortal wisdom of Philip Fry...

158 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:50am

Wonder if our scaly lizard overlord is a day-trader. Not that I pay attention 100% of the time, but the whole Merrill Lynch/Bank of America thing has pretty much caught me off guard.

Honestly, I was just gonna sit back and track the performance of Texas-based companies like Center Point Energy and some of the pipeline companies that serve the gulf coast in the wake of Ike.

159 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:40:14am

re: #153 EIDE_Interface

Andrew Sullivan claims that McCain made an outright lie on "The View":

McCain said Palin denied all earmarks

Well the real truth is that she reduced earmarks in her first 2 budgets, not eliminated them. It doesn't help our cause if McCain makes outlandish statements like that for our enemies to pounce upon.

you're quoting Andy, and Andy hasn't been right yet.

(and you wonder why we think you suck. %-)

160 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:40:19am

re: #150 Killian Bundy

By all means, post all the linkys.

/too much fun

It just grated you that someone actually liked that essay, didn't it? hehe

161 laZardo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:40:58am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

Well, the Great Zionist Conspiracy has to have its greedy tentacles in the financial institutions...

/ q:

162 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:54am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

re: #161 laZardo

Where do you think we get our zionist checks from.

/think my latest deposit is late again.

163 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:42:11am

Here's one for you, Killian...;~)

[Link: blog.myspace.com...]

164 laZardo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:21am

re: #162 BlueCanuck

I have mine auto-routed to pay for my college education like a good elitist imperialist conservonazi should.

/ [=

165 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:06am

re: #162 BlueCanuck

I thought it was every first and every fifteenth we got our Zionist checks. You know....the ones with the basket full of puppies on them.

166 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:40am

re: #160 Salamantis

It just grated you that someone actually liked that essay, didn't it? hehe

Well, you win, I'm embarrassed.

/please post the 17 linkys, I've only seen three

167 laZardo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:57am

BBL, snackage.

168 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:59am

re: #153 EIDE_Interface
Let's accept now that the DKOS Media will examine any statement by McCain/Palin with a 200x microscope while smiling blankly at any thing O and Joe puke up. The important thing to keep in mind is whether the voters are getting the correct information elsewhere. This is where the DKM has hurt itself the most by their panic-stricken lash-out at Sarah; it finally exposed their bias for ALL to see thus raising in more people's minds the truth of ANYTHING they report concerning the candidates.
The one thing I am concerned about is a story that IS true and is negative enough to do damage that can't be repaired in time. So far nothing is sticking.

(crosses fingers, toes and eyes while saying prayer).

169 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:31am

re: #159 redc1c4

you're quoting Andy, and Andy hasn't been right yet.

(and you wonder why we think you suck. %-)

Well here's the video:

McCain on The View

He seems confused as to what Palin did exactly with earmarks. I hope when the VP debate comes up she'll be very clear about it.

170 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:47am

re: #165 Fenway_Nation

I thought it was every first and every fifteenth we got our Zionist checks. You know....the ones with the basket full of puppies on them.

I want my puppies to be blender-friendly, so I can sell them to Instapundit's Glenn Reynolds...;~)

171 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:58am

Can McCain Really Win Pennsylvania?

That depends on who you ask. Don't ask EIDE, but Salena Zito seems to think so.

172 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:48am

re: #166 Killian Bundy

Well, you win, I'm embarrassed.

/please post the 17 linkys, I've only seen three

One at a time, Killian; check #163...

173 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:29am

re: #171 Sharmuta

Can McCain Really Win Pennsylvania?

That depends on who you ask. Don't ask EIDE, but Salena Zito seems to think so.

Given that there are a million more registered Democrats, I say no. Better to concentrate on winning New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado then a mostly hopeless case in PA. Keep Palin circulating in WI, MN, OH, MI, IN for the next 2 weeks.

174 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:50:34am

re: #173 EIDE_Interface

Given that there are a million more registered Democrats, I say no. Better to concentrate on winning New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado then a mostly hopeless case in PA. Keep Palin circulating in WI, MN, OH, MI, IN for the next 2 weeks.

Pennsylvania has only 1 more electoral vote than Ohio, and at the moment it seems "barely Dem" according to electoral-vote.com. It would be a gamble, but it could pay off BIG.

175 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:15am

re: #172 Salamantis

One at a time, Killian; check #163...

You're verbose, takes a while to digest.

Also do not think that I have written this analysis from the standpoint of a hidden Christian or Jewish agenda. Putting aside the fact that attacking the racial or ethnic membership or the religious affiliation of the author of a position, rather than critiquing the merits of the position itself by assessing the evidence presented and checking the logical links in the chain of reasoning by means of which the items of evidence are connected, is a 2500 year old Greek logical fallacy known as ad hominem, I am neither Christian nor a Jew, either ethnically or as a religious stance; I am English, Irish, Dutch and Native American, and consider myself to be a secular humanist with pagan overtones (I tend towards sympathy with both the gender egalitarianism and the ecologically friendly stance embraced by many pagan faiths and their adherents, as well as their typically tolerant and positive attitude towards the freedom of all to make uncoerced and unfettered personal choices for themselves in matters both political and religious, and their opposition to such matters being dictated by some for others). I am not a fundamentalist of any stripe. Philosophically, I favor existential and hermeneutic phenomenology, Jean Piaget's genetic epistemology, semiotics, and memetics (my BA is in philosophy) and my graduate studies have been in interdisciplinary humanities, including philosophy, psychology, sociology, anthropology, economics, political science, and comparative religion.

/bring it on, dig it deep

176 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:32am

re: #173 EIDE_Interface

Something tells me you didn't even read the article.

177 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:59am

re: #173 EIDE_Interface

Given that there are a million more registered Democrats, I say no. Better to concentrate on winning New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado then a mostly hopeless case in PA. Keep Palin circulating in WI, MN, OH, MI, IN for the next 2 weeks.

and we, or anyone, should listen to you because of what, exactly?

178 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:53:20am

re: #173 EIDE_Interface

Given that there are a million more registered Democrats, I say no. Better to concentrate on winning New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado then a mostly hopeless case in PA. Keep Palin circulating in WI, MN, OH, MI, IN for the next 2 weeks.

Read the comments on the column as well. He's within the margin of error, he's going to win all the rural spots of PA (likely by large margins), and his whole campaign is full of the Big Mo.

179 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:53:22am

re: #174 victor_yugo

Pennsylvania has only 1 more electoral vote than Ohio, and at the moment it seems "barely Dem" according to electoral-vote.com. It would be a gamble, but it could pay off BIG.

To me it's not worth the risk of pouring resources while NM, CO and NV aren't firmly back in the GOP column. First rule is defend Bush's red states from 2004, then go after blue states.

180 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:53:35am

re: #176 Sharmuta

Something tells me you didn't even read the article.

Moby's can read?

181 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:54:15am

re: #177 redc1c4

and we, or anyone, should listen to you because of what, exactly?

I'm suggesting what the campaign should do. In fact they are listening to me, because Palin is in CO tomorrow morning for a rally. Good job.

182 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:54:58am

re: #180 redc1c4

Moby's can read?

I did read the article and it said that PA was unlikely to win unless McCain were to pour HUGE resources into it.

183 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:55:36am

re: #181 EIDE_Interface

Count the recycled flags from last month in Denver.....

184 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:11am

re: #179 EIDE_Interface

To me it's not worth the risk of pouring resources while NM, CO and NV aren't firmly back in the GOP column. First rule is defend Bush's red states from 2004, then go after blue states.

Yes- it IS worth it. 0bama is hurting- make him spend the money to keep his states blue. Meanwhile, McCain & the RNC have plenty of money to woo whatever states they want.

185 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:02am
186 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:45am

re: #182 EIDE_Interface

I did read the article and it said that PA was unlikely to win unless McCain were to pour HUGE resources into it.

Where did it say that?! You're just making sh*t up now.

187 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:49am

re: #171 Sharmuta

Here's the key to Pennsylvania: The 4 counties around Philadelphia will determine the election. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, probably Scranton and definitely Happy Valley will go for Obama. The rest of the small towns and rural areas will go for McCain. Bucks, Chester, Delaware and Montgomery Counties are the "swing" counties.

When the parties give out the lawn signs I'll be able to better guess the winner in Pennsylvania. :-)

/if I can afford the gas to ride around and do a "survey" ...:-(

188 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:57am

re: #184 Sharmuta

Yes- it IS worth it. 0bama is hurting- make him spend the money to keep his states blue. Meanwhile, McCain & the RNC have plenty of money to woo whatever states they want.

Risky strategy, I don't know if I would have the guts to do it like that...

189 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:58:15am

re: #179 EIDE_Interface

To me it's not worth the risk of pouring resources while NM, CO and NV aren't firmly back in the GOP column. First rule is defend Bush's red states from 2004, then go after blue states.

NV: 5, CO: 9, NM: 5, PA: 21.

If he takes PA, he can concede NM and then focus on CO and NV. Besides, it's not like he's heading to California for a week to lessen the pounding he's going to take there.

190 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:59:22am

re: #186 Sharmuta

Where did it say that?! You're just making sh*t up now.

PA hasn't been in the GOP column for 20 years already. No matter that McCain is closing in the polls, that's 4 straight times we've lost PA. You don't just win a blue state like PA by spending a moderate amount of money and time.

191 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:59:38am

re: #188 EIDE_Interface

Risky strategy, I don't know if I would have the guts to do it like that...

Why not? Zero's hemorrhaging money trying to get within the error margin now. What looked like certain victory for Zero is now touch and go... and America's the better for it.

192 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:59:58am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

193 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:00:32am

re: #187 littleoldlady

That's about what the article said.

194 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:00:35am

Good morning littleoldlady, thanks for the fruitcup.

195 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:01:44am

re: #188 EIDE_Interface

Risky strategy, I don't know if I would have the guts to do it like that...

That must be why your not on the campaign's strategy team.

196 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:01:56am

You can't go by registration numbers either in Pennsylvania. A lot of people switched parties to vote for Hillary.

/who, if you recall, won by 10 points in the primary

197 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:02:07am

Lost causes:

Maine, Mass, NY, NJ, CA, Oregon, Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, Illinois, Iowa.

Blueish states that are possible:
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington

Red states that are dangerously even:

Missouri, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida

198 jcw46  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:03:19am

re: #187 littleoldlady

Here's the key to Pennsylvania: The 4 counties around Philadelphia will determine the election. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, probably Scranton and definitely Happy Valley will go for Obama. The rest of the small towns and rural areas will go for McCain. Bucks, Chester, Delaware and Montgomery Counties are the "swing" counties.

When the parties give out the lawn signs I'll be able to better guess the winner in Pennsylvania. :-)

/if I can afford the gas to ride around and do a "survey" ...:-(

Been seeing more McCain lawn signs around susquehanna valley small town pa than b4 sarah.
As to more dem registrations; pa allowed changing party affiliation for primary == Rush's operation chaos. small town pa folks are independent and mischief minded and a lot listen to rush. (there was an uptick of dem registrations b4 primary) the dems still out number reps overall but not as much as may be touted by the DKM. Lots of "hockey moms" out here in the farmland. I would guess it to be a toss up and NOT a sure thing.

199 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:04:05am

Slightly OT: Does anyone wonder if there had been the internet in 1929 whether we'd have seen the same sort of news about banks collapsing?

200 Bosch Fawstin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:05:20am

Good morning, everyone. Here's my latest piece.

Pigman: Throw Them into the Fire They Started

201 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:05:21am

I agree going after PA would be a bold move and seriously disrupt Obama. If we don't have to do anything serious to win Ohio and Florida, then I say go for it. Going after PA forces Obama to spend time and money there and not in OH and FL.

202 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:05:39am

re: #188 EIDE_Interface

Risky strategy, I don't know if I would have the guts to do it like that...

no one here thinks you have *any* guts.....

/HTH!

203 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:05:44am

re: #187 littleoldlady

I like Scranton....last time I was there, their Triple-A baseball team was affiliated with the Phillies. Now they sold their soul to the dark side (NY Yankees). I wound up staying a few nights in a hotel that used to be a humongous railway station- I think the visiting baseball teams stayed there while visiting, too.

More to the point, there's always Steamtown. And aside from the stable of Iron Horses kept at Steamtown, the Reading & Northern recently resurrected on of their steamer locomotives and it gets to stretch its legs on the mainline between Jim Thorpe & Scranton.

204 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:05:45am

re: #199 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Slightly OT: Does anyone wonder if there had been the internet in 1929 whether we'd have seen the same sort of news about banks collapsing?

They didn't have an SEC back in 1929 either.

205 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:06:35am

re: #197 EIDE_Interface

Maybe you should do more research.

Latest Real Clear Politics Map- with new toss ups

Minnesota is now tied according to the latest state poll- MN hasn't gone red since Nixon. Make 0bama fight (read- spend money he can't afford) to keep these states.

206 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:07:27am

re: #197 EIDE_Interface

Lost causes:

Maine, Mass, NY, NJ, CA, Oregon, Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, Illinois, Iowa.

Blueish states that are possible:
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington

Red states that are dangerously even:

Missouri, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida

crackhead Mobys: 'you'

/nuff said.

207 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:08:18am

BlueCanuck! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

re: #198 jcw46

I'm 10-15 miles outside of Philadelphia. When Clinton was running I was leafletting at the polls and could have told you early in the morning that he was going to win. It was the moms with the baby carriages, towing toddlers, coming out to vote.

I haven't seen any lawn signs out yet (either side) which is surprising...

208 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:08:31am

re: #205 Sharmuta

Maybe you should do more research.

Latest Real Clear Politics Map- with new toss ups

Minnesota is now tied according to the latest state poll- MN hasn't gone red since Nixon. Make 0bama fight (read- spend money he can't afford) to keep these states.

Star Tribune 09/10 - 09/12 1106 LV 45 45 Tie
SurveyUSA 09/10 - 09/11 734 LV 49 47 Obama +2
CNN/Time 08/31 - 09/02 742 RV 53 41 Obama +12

How can a CNN poll have Obama at +12, and then 2 other polls so much closer just 9-10 days later?

209 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:09:42am

I'm beginning to think that you can't trust CNN, CBS, NBC or ABC polls period. Rassmunsen and Gallup are the only reliable ones.

210 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:10:51am

re: #209 EIDE_Interface

I'm beginning to think that you can't trust CNN, CBS, NBC or ABC polls period. Rassmunsen and Gallup are the only reliable ones.

Ya think?!

211 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:11:14am

Sweet.... my second ever fruitcup.

212 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:11:38am

re: #203 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

If you want to see a really fun minor league team, try the Wilmington Blue Rocks.

213 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:12:06am

re: #210 Sharmuta

Ya think?!

I'm very gullible...

214 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:12:07am
(my BA is in philosophy)

/last night you had a Master's degree in other things

215 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:12:07am

re: #211 Badge of Kaffir Pride

Sweet.... my second ever fruitcup.

You didn't even ding it.....

216 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:12:23am

Badge of Kaffir Pride! :-)

Bon appetit!

217 akak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:14:41am

re: #103 Salamantis

You've never written a short paragraph have you? Seek treatment for that condition, it's day surgery & a breeze!

218 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:14:43am

One more thing about Pennsylvania:

For the longest time Obama had a +7 point lead. He's now at +2.3. If that number holds I believe he's already lost the state.

219 BignJames  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:14:59am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

/last night you had a Master's degree in other things

Definitly horn tooting....as in his own.

220 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:15:03am

re: #215 Sharmuta

You didn't even ding it.....

My bad: my LGF etiquette is still being learned.

221 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:15:36am

re: #212 littleoldlady


A Red Sox affiliate until two years ago!

222 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:16:03am

re: #175 Killian Bundy

/bring it on, dig it deep

Well, I know why you're asking for the links. You're not seriously intersted in reading them to learn anything; you're merely quote-mining them, just like any Disco Dewde would do, and and posting what you hope will reflect less than complimentarily upon me, because, since I haven't, according to your frequently expressed opinion, shown your particular faith the proper obesiance which you consider is its due whilst defending evolutionary theory from creationist attacks, you wanna discredit me by any means necessary. Because that's the kinda person you are.

223 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:16:42am

re: #218 littleoldlady

One more thing about Pennsylvania:

For the longest time Obama had a +7 point lead. He's now at +2.3. If that number holds I believe he's already lost the state.

/Bradley effect

224 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:16:55am

re: #218 littleoldlady

One more thing about Pennsylvania:

For the longest time Obama had a +7 point lead. He's now at +2.3. If that number holds I believe he's already lost the state.

It's the same, imo, in Minnesota. If the usually tainted Star Tribune poll is showing a tie- it's quite possible McCain is leading.

225 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:17:51am

re: #224 Sharmuta

It's the same, imo, in Minnesota. If the usually tainted Star Tribune poll is showing a tie- it's quite possible McCain is leading.

I'll definitely be looking very closely at Obama's activities this week to see if there's any panic over MN and PA. They might have internal polling that's different.

226 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:18:40am

re: #222 Salamantis

Well, I know why you're asking for the links. You're not seriously intersted in reading them to learn anything; you're merely quote-mining them, just like any Disco Dewde would do, and and posting what you hope will reflect less than complimentarily upon me, because, since I haven't, according to your frequently expressed opinion, shown your particular faith the proper obesiance which you consider is its due whilst defending evolutionary theory from creationist attacks, you wanna discredit me by any means necessary. Because that's the kinda person you are.

/okay, are you done yet?

227 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:20:01am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

/last night you had a Master's degree in other things

People with master's degrees in A often have bachelor's degrees in B. My BA is in philosophy, and my master's is in humanities interdisciplinary. Got a fucking problem with that, sport?

"The first thing we do, is kill all the lawyers."
William Shakespeare

228 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:20:42am

re: #223 Killian Bundy

/Bradley effect

Yeah, and people like me who refuse to answer the phone. ;-)

I heard something funny recently. In the white neighborhoods of Philadelphia where they're seeing some resistance to Obama they've been telling the voters, "He's half white, you know!"

229 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:23:09am

re: #227 Salamantis

People with master's degrees in A often have bachelor's degrees in B. My BA is in philosophy, and my master's is in humanities interdisciplinary. Got a fucking problem with that, sport?

"The first thing we do, is kill all the lawyers."
William Shakespeare

/that's right, let's proceed directly to the meltdown, or should I quote you some more?

230 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:23:54am

re: #229 Killian Bundy

/that's right, let's proceed directly to the meltdown, or should I quote you some more?

I call a spade a spade, and an ass an ass.

231 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:24:06am

re: #218 littleoldlady

One more thing about Pennsylvania:

For the longest time Obama had a +7 point lead. He's now at +2.3. If that number holds I believe he's already lost the state.

I was just flipping through the RCP map. If he's indeed lost PA, that puts McC at 248. Virginia is a traditional red and that's 13 for 261. Colorado or Minny or Michigan seal it. Hell, Ohio's just gravy and furthering the mandate at that point.

232 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:24:53am

re: #230 Salamantis

I call a spade a spade, and an ass an ass.

/yep

233 BignJames  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:26:34am

re: #229 Killian Bundy


College taught me to say "that's incredible!" instead of "no shit!".

234 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:26:55am

re: #213 EIDE_Interface

I'm very gullible...

duh.

235 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:28:56am

re: #222 Salamantis

Well, I know why you're asking for the links. You're not seriously intersted in reading them to learn anything; you're merely quote-mining them, just like any Disco Dewde would do, and and posting what you hope will reflect less than complimentarily upon me, because, since I haven't, according to your frequently expressed opinion, shown your particular faith the proper obesiance which you consider is its due whilst defending evolutionary theory from creationist attacks, you wanna discredit me by any means necessary. Because that's the kinda person you are.

assumption is the mother of all screw ups.

236 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:30:02am

re: #230 Salamantis

I call a spade a spade, and an ass an ass.

and i call bullshit.

next?

237 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:30:37am

re: #231 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I was just flipping through the RCP map. If he's indeed lost PA, that puts McC at 248. Virginia is a traditional red and that's 13 for 261. Colorado or Minny or Michigan seal it. Hell, Ohio's just gravy and furthering the mandate at that point.

That's a lot of assumptions. At this point McCain has only about 200 "sure" EV. Obama 193. According to Rassmunsen. More then 100 "toss up" EVs.

238 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:30:44am

re: #222 Salamantis

Well, I know why you're asking for the links. You're not seriously intersted in reading them to learn anything; you're merely quote-mining them, just like any Disco Dewde would do, and and posting what you hope will reflect less than complimentarily upon me, because, since I haven't, according to your frequently expressed opinion, shown your particular faith the proper obesiance which you consider is its due whilst defending evolutionary theory from creationist attacks, you wanna discredit me by any means necessary. Because that's the kinda person you are.

Dude, do you always use fifty cent words when nickel words will do?

/you are in dire need of an editor me thinks.

239 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:31:02am

re: #235 redc1c4

assumption is the mother of all screw ups.

It isn't an assumption when there is evidence for it; reread the thread to find it.

240 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:31:51am

re: #238 BlueCanuck

Dude, do you always use fifty cent words when nickel words will do?

/you are in dire need of an editor me thinks.

I'll work on my syllable count for you.

241 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:32:59am

re: #227 Salamantis

People with master's degrees in A often have bachelor's degrees in B. My BA is in philosophy, and my master's is in humanities interdisciplinary. Got a fucking problem with that, sport?

What's the point, are you a community organizer?

/you're going to vote fore Obama, right?

242 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:33:15am

re: #237 EIDE_Interface

That's a lot of assumptions. At this point McCain has only about 200 "sure" EV. Obama 193. According to Rassmunsen. More then 100 "toss up" EVs.

RCP shows McC/MILF 227 and Osama Bin Biden at 207. That includes leaners.

243 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:33:41am

re: #237 EIDE_Interface

That's a lot of assumptions. At this point McCain has only about 200 "sure" EV. Obama 193. According to Rassmunsen. More then 100 "toss up" EVs.

That's pretty rich coming from you, when you've already assumed this election is lost.

244 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:36:53am

re: #243 Sharmuta

That's pretty rich coming from you, when you've already assumed this election is lost.

I never said it was lost since the Palin pick. Now if you asked me on August 28th, I'd be very defeatist.

245 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:37:39am
master's is in humanities interdisciplinary

/gee, let's take a poll, what degree could possibly be more worthless?

246 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:38:12am

re: #239 Salamantis

It isn't an assumption when there is evidence for it; reread the thread to find it.

and yet you said "assume".... i'll let *you* reread for content.

/not my statement, not my burden. %-)

247 BignJames  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:38:32am

re: #245 Killian Bundy

General studies?

248 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:40:14am

re: #244 EIDE_Interface

I never said it was lost since the Palin pick. Now if you asked me on August 28th, I'd have been very more defeatist.

249 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:40:53am

re: #245 Killian Bundy

/gee, let's take a poll, what degree could possibly be more worthless?

politics?

community organizing?

250 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:41:02am

Back in my waitress days I could always tell when it was a full moon without even looking it up or looking outside.

Same with LGF. ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

/she said, making a quick get-away...

251 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:41:33am

re: #244 EIDE_Interface

I never said it was lost since the Palin pick. Now if you asked me on August 28th, I'd be very defeatist.

Dude- you called Sarah Palin and her family white trash. Don't BS us.

252 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:41:43am

Bye littleoldlady. Have a good day.

253 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:41:44am

Good morning, Lizards.

254 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:41:53am

re: #250 littleoldlady

We love you, {lol}!

255 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:43:01am

re: #251 Sharmuta

Dude- you called Sarah Palin and her family white trash. Don't BS us.

One little indiscretion and everyone goes nuts! Ever since then I've developed a deep connection with the Palins!

256 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:43:09am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning goddess. Enjoy your weekend?

257 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:44:48am

Lindsay Lohan Blasts Palin

Didn't Lindsay Lohan come out and SUPPORT Palin like, two weeks ago?

258 BignJames  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:45:55am

re: #257 TheMatrix31


She was sober then.

259 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:46:00am

re: #241 Killian Bundy

What's the point, are you a community organizer?

/you're going to vote fore Obama, right?

Actually, I did organize a community once. My wife and I were living in a subdivision that had been built in the country. All of the roads there - 18 miles of them - were red clay, and even though the county had passed a penny gas tax, none of them were getting paved, only graded. Rain would wash canyons in them when it was heavy, and turn them into bogs when it was light, but when it was dry too long, they turned into front-end-suspension-killing washboards. So, I and a few others put together a questionaire, printed out a bunch of copies, walked door to door with them, collated the data, and did a demographic study of the people who lived on those roads. There were more than 1200 of them. A lot of them worked, and many were chronically ill, and of course there were the kids...all of these folks suffered when the roads were impassable. We took our information to the local newspaper and they published it, than we lobbied the county to pave our roads with the gas tax. But they wouldn't budge.

Then, while checking the budget to find out the way that the gas tax money was being spent, I discovered that the money to regularly grade the roads was being taken out of the gas tax, when it should have been taken out of the general fund (the gas tax specified that the county's roads were to be upgraded with the funds). It was a roundabout way of spending gas tax money on whatever they wanted to spend it on, because they could then do that with the general fund money that was supposed to go to regular road grading. We publicized this fact, and a political firestorm ensued; 4 of the 5 county commissioners were defeated in their next election, and the new ones paved the roads.

But no, I'm not voting for Obama; as I have said several times, even in threads that you have been in, the GWOT eclipses all other issues for me, and I cannot trust Obama with the safety and security of this nation in these critical times any more than I could support Kerry before him (I voted for Dubya in 2004, after 9-11 shed the scales from my eyes, as it did for many people here).

You'll have to find another smear; that one is a blatant, baldfaced lie.

260 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:47:52am

re: #245 Killian Bundy

/gee, let's take a poll, what degree could possibly be more worthless?

A lawyer's degree? Aren't there enough ambulance-chasing, parasitic vultures in the world already? And wouldn't the US Congress be much better off without so many of them?

So you're not voting for your fellow lawyer Obama?

261 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:47:58am

re: #257 TheMatrix31

Lindsay Lohan Blasts Palin

Didn't Lindsay Lohan come out and SUPPORT Palin like, two weeks ago?

Wow, that's rich coming from a cheap Hollywood whore, coke addict and overall ditz. Lohan couldn't get elected to dogcatcher in Inglewood.

262 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:48:27am

re: #259 Salamantis

Attaboy!

/post more essay links

263 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:48:32am

re: #169 EIDE_Interface

Well here's the video:

McCain on The View

He seems confused as to what Palin did exactly with earmarks. I hope when the VP debate comes up she'll be very clear about it.

I wonder if she's preparing to debate Hillary.

264 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:48:52am

Hmmm, full moon out, eh? I think I may have to rethink my earlier hypothesis.

/similar lines but different outcome.

265 SouthAmericanWay  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:49:08am

Hey, perhaps Communism is the answer to Wall Street's financial woes.

At least now, we, the Communists of the world, have for the first time a real candidate for the White House.

NOT A JOKE: Top US Communist: Elect Obama, “Go On to Change the World”

Together, we can win in November and together we can go on the to change the world.

266 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:49:26am

re: #263 Tigger2005

I wonder if she's preparing to debate Hillary.

No way Biden gets dumped - that would be a serious admission of defeat by Obama.

267 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:50:08am

re: #255 EIDE_Interface

One little indiscretion and everyone goes nuts! Ever since then I've developed a deep connection with the Palins!

undoubtedly in their septic tank

268 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:50:34am

re: #257 TheMatrix31

Lindsay Lohan Blasts Palin

Didn't Lindsay Lohan come out and SUPPORT Palin like, two weeks ago?

I guess is bothers her that Palin is a strong and successful politician with a terrific family and she's a drunken slut.

269 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:50:51am

re: #260 Salamantis

A lawyer's degree? Aren't there enough ambulance-chasing, parasitic vultures in the world already? And wouldn't the US Congress be much better off without so many of them?

/ooh, that hurts

270 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:51:31am

re: #265 SouthAmericanWay

Hey, perhaps Communism is the answer to Wall Street's financial woes.

At least now, we, the Communists of the world, have for the first time a real candidate for the White House.

NOT A JOKE: Top US Communist: Elect Obama, “Go On to Change the World”

Dear U.S., you too can be like Bolivia!
/No thanks

271 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:51:55am

re: #268 Tigger2005

I guess is bothers her that Palin is a strong and successful politician with a terrific family and she's a drunken slut.

It's the same thing with Lisa Nova! Her first video that came out just 2 days after the pick was decent and funny. Then after it became clear that Palin was having a huge effect for the GOP, her next 2 videos were very biased against Palin.

272 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:52:51am

re: #262 Killian Bundy

Attaboy!

/post more essay links

What? You can't find anything you think people here will dislike in the last link I gave you?

Of course, if you thought people here WOULD like it, you'd rather have burning bamboo shoots stuck under your fingernails than to post it...

273 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:53:06am

By now, you've seen that Jill Greenberg's attempted photo assassination of Senator McCain. She thought she was being oh-so-clever, by making him look worn and creepy.

Well, that's before Ace of "Ace of Spades" got a hold of that photo, and transformed it into this masterpiece.

The best comment, of many many funny ones, on that thread is:

"Ya know, I sorta like the idea of having a president who can look that fucking awesome without even trying."

LOL!

(More at: Putin Just Pooped A Little)

274 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:54:21am

re: #273 vbspurs

By now, you've seen that Jill Greenberg's attempted photo assassination of Senator McCain. She thought she was being oh-so-clever, by making him look worn and creepy.

Well, that's before Ace of "Ace of Spades" got a hold of that photo, and transformed it into this masterpiece.

The best comment, of many many funny ones, on that thread is:

LOL!

(More at: Putin Just Pooped A Little)

What is Manta and Grundy?

275 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:55:07am

Good Monday morning, Lizards....

276 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:55:22am

re: #255 EIDE_Interface

One little indiscretion and everyone goes nuts! Ever since then I've developed a deep connection with the Palins!

Because calling the Palins "white trash" is a very bigoted, elitist thing to say- it's the sort of thing a democrat would say, really.

277 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:55:52am

re: #274 EIDE_Interface

What is Manta and Grundy?

Don't know about Manta, but Grundy is probably Solomon Grundy a recurring Batman Villian.

278 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:56:19am

re: #261 EIDE_Interface

Wow, that's rich coming from a cheap Hollywood whore, coke addict and overall ditz. Lohan couldn't get elected to dogcatcher in Inglewood.

of course not: she's white.

279 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:56:40am

re: #276 Sharmuta

Because calling the Palins "white trash" is a very bigoted, elitist thing to say- it's the sort of thing a democrat would say, really.

I was drunk at the time.

280 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:56:42am

Good morning goddess & scottishbuzzsaw. Hope you ladies had a nice weekend.

281 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:57:18am

re: #279 EIDE_Interface

I was drunk at the time.

That's the worst excuse ever, moby.

282 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:57:52am

re: #281 Sharmuta

That's the worst excuse ever, moby.

What's with the moby business again? Just because I am pessimistic on PA?

283 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:58:05am

re: #272 Salamantis

What? You can't find anything you think people here will dislike in the last link I gave you?

Um, no, But let's post this: again

13) Staring at a Screen Darkly

The advent of the Internet recombines the abolition of space-time barriers to communication with the constant and instant availability of (potentially) practically all textual knowledge, as computer aided design and computer assisted manufacture threaten to leave the proletariat with little beyond bourgeois leisure and a subsistence stipend. The underclass will be known not as the unwashed, but as the unwired. With every computer terminal a samizdat, governments (and religions) will progressively lose their ability to tell the big lies and make them stick (see Zapatista). Guerilla semioticians will increasingly 'poach' the icons and symbols of governmental, religious and corporate institutions and imbue them with different and frequently subversive meanings (The Practice of Everyday Life, Michel de Certeau, 1984). Authority will issue not from age, race, gender or status, but from the internal consistency, logical cogency, linguistic clarity and external coherence of one's positions. Spoken and written language forms will continue vanishing as quickly as endangered species, as informational selection takes its Darwinian toll. The hegemony of employment over location will melt away as more and more jobs can be performed from anywhere with power and a telephone line. Global democracy will supersede multiple national sovereignties as humanity's attachments to borders and boundaries will shrink along with their relevance to the lives of an increasingly individually sovereign citizenry (as Francis Fukuyama foresaw in The End Of History, 1992). The policy debates now occurring within electronic 'town meetings' will be settled by cyber-votes. The Human Genome Project will allow human beings to genetically know themselves (Socrates and Hippocrates would be pleased) and to re-engineer their codes to remove textual errors (inherited defects). If they like the result, genocopies (clones) will be possible, and there is already talk of exploiting the shared binary codes of computer language and the double helix to create DNA computers. The meme will then have traveled full circle, finding its way back to the gene. In the coming millennium, homo sapiens will be both weavers of and woven by, for better or for worse, the informational warp and communicational weft of a co-evolutionary New Web Order.

/take the hose out of your mouth

284 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 2:59:26am

re: #280 Sharmuta

Good morning goddess & scottishbuzzsaw. Hope you ladies had a nice weekend.


Good morning, Sweetie...still working on the first cup of coffee, but I think I had a lovely weekend...how about you?

285 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:00:16am

re: #283 Killian Bundy

/take the hose out of your mouth

I can easily understand why you can't comprehend it, the language is philosophical, and not lawyerese.

Why don't you post a link to some of your scintillating legal briefs?

286 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:01:24am

re: #279 EIDE_Interface

I was drunk at the time.

no excuse

287 elliot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:02:09am

Chew on this:

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL [election is over?]
New York Post ^ | 09/15/08 | AMIR TAHERI

Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 4:03:51 AM by Enchante

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

Article goes on........
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

288 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:02:21am

re: #274 EIDE_Interface

What is Manta and Grundy?

I don't exactly know, because I was never into comics. But I'm guessing they're really tough hombres in the Legion of Doom. I would counsel laughing.

289 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:02:30am

re: #284 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, Sweetie...still working on the first cup of coffee, but I think I had a lovely weekend...how about you?

You have coffee :) I've got carrot cake. Want to trade?

290 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:03:10am

Isn't Black Manta Aquaman's foe?

I mean outside of being one of the lamest superheroes ever....

291 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:03:25am

re: #285 Salamantis

IWhy don't you post a link to some of your scintillating legal briefs?

/because I'm not an attention whore and I prefer to be known as Kiillian Bundy on LGF

292 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:03:44am

re: #279 EIDE_Interface

I was drunk at the time.

In vino veritas.

293 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:04:55am

re: #291 Killian Bundy

/because I'm not an attention whore and I prefer to be known as Kiillian Bundy on LGF

And we all support you in that Killian. How're you this morning?

294 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:05:20am

re: #292 galloping granny

In vino veritas.

I'm no Mel Gibson! I'm not a crook!

295 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:05:45am

re: #291 Killian Bundy

/because I'm not an attention whore and I prefer to be known as Kiillian Bundy on LGF

But it's only just and fair reciprocity, since I've already provided some of mine; what's sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose...;~)

C'mon; let's see some o' that fancy lawyering of yours, boyo...

296 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:06:02am

re: #287 elliot

Chew on this:

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL [election is over?]
New York Post ^ | 09/15/08 | AMIR TAHERI

Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 4:03:51 AM by Enchante

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

Article goes on........
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

WOw, Obama's engaged in attempted coup? Conducting foreign policy while a candidate?

297 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:06:35am

re: #292 galloping granny

In vino veritas.

Not so well-known is the corollary:

In cerevisia hurlus.

298 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:08:23am

re: #286 redc1c4

no excuse

It's not an excuse- in fact, it makes it worse.

299 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:08:44am

re: #284 scottishbuzzsaw

My weekend was not too bad.

300 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:08:53am

re: #296 EIDE_Interface

WOw, Obama's engaged in attempted coup? Conducting foreign policy while a candidate?

WHOA. If this is provable, this might be the stake in his campaign's heart.

301 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:09:12am

The fact is that I am 100% behind McCain/Palin for 2008 and Palin for POTUS in 2012! She is exactly what this country needs.

302 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:09:38am

re: #295 Salamantis

But it's only just and fair reciprocity, since I've already provided some of mine; what's sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose...;~)

C'mon; let's see some o' that fancy lawyering of yours, boyo...

So, you're an idiot.

/sorry, not giving up my clients

303 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:09:51am

re: #300 vbspurs

WHOA. If this is provable, this might be the stake in his campaign's heart.

Obama's September Surprise? Very illegal.

304 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:10:45am

re: #259 Salamantis

YOU actually accomplished something for the good of your community. You used the system the way a citizen is supposed to use it, and I'm sure no entity underwrote your expenses.

Actually, you made me realize that being a community organizer is great experience for the House or, at a stretch, the Senate because you investigated legislation and its application, but means diddly squat as preparation as president,

305 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:11:34am

re: #296 EIDE_Interface

WOw, Obama's engaged in attempted coup? Conducting foreign policy while a candidate?

This is not the first incident either.

306 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:12:21am

re: #302 Killian Bundy

So, you're an idiot.

/sorry, not giving up my clients

You can redact their names.

I think it's because you are enjoying being a reverse snob, and you know that if you provide some of your dense and obfucatory legalese, that useful pretense will be blown right out of the water - and you full well know it.

307 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:13:21am

re: #303 EIDE_Interface

Obama's September Surprise? Very illegal.

This surely is:

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

See. If Biden had been with him, this wouldn't have happened.

308 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:14:20am

re: #307 vbspurs

This surely is:

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

See. If Biden had been with him, this wouldn't have happened.

Of course he gets away with murder yet again. The 4th estate fails again. I hope the MSM gets dealt a death blow this year.

309 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:14:39am

re: #305 galloping granny

This is not the first incident either.

It's not illegal, but I read that Dr. Merkel was dumbstruck when Obama first requested to stage a campaign rally underneath the Brandenburg Gate.

What the hell? What kind of ego would even suggest such an enormity?

310 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:15:07am

re: #299 Sharmuta

My weekend was not too bad.


By the way, Shar, thanks for all the links you post in the a.m...ususally the first bit of news I get to, and good content, too...

311 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:15:25am

re: #306 Salamantis

You can redact their names.

I think it's because you are enjoying being a reverse snob, and you know that if you provide some of your dense and obfucatory legalese, that useful pretense will be blown right out of the water - and you full well know it.

You have been around here long enough to know that all lizards are entitled to their anonymity. How about you should lay off Killian. It really is much too early for this.

312 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:15:54am

re: #308 EIDE_Interface

Of course he gets away with murder yet again. The 4th estate fails again. I hope the MSM gets dealt a death blow this year.

2008 is the year MSM officially jumped the shark.

313 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:16:45am

re: #311 galloping granny

This has been going on for a couple of days now. Gets rather boring and annoying after awhile.

314 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:16:46am

re: #306 Salamantis

I think it's because you are enjoying being a reverse snob, and you know that if you provide some of your dense and obfucatory legalese, that useful pretense will be blown right out of the water - and you full well know it.

Because, God knows, I've never expressed a qualified legal opinion here.

/LGF search is free

315 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:17:07am

re: #309 vbspurs

It's not illegal, but I read that Dr. Merkel was dumbstruck when Obama first requested to stage a campaign rally underneath the Brandenburg Gate.

What the hell? What kind of ego would even suggest such an enormity?

The same ego that needed a 70K seat stadium and fake Greek columns and fireworks.

316 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:17:46am

re: #309 vbspurs

It's not illegal, but I read that Dr. Merkel was dumbstruck when Obama first requested to stage a campaign rally underneath the Brandenburg Gate.

What the hell? What kind of ego would even suggest such an enormity?

One with visions of grandeur. One who thinks that he is already President of the United States of America and refers to himself as such - repeatedly. One with the sheer balls to claim that he can heal the earth.

BTW, those big rallies at the Brandenburg Gate - they were a trademark of Hitler. And if you look at pics of those, you will spot a distinct similarity between the architecture of the Brandenburg Gate and The One's Greek Temple.

317 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:19:11am

re: #313 BlueCanuck

This has been going on for a couple of days now. Gets rather boring and annoying after awhile.

I have noticed. Rude and obnoxious beyond all belief. How're you this morning Blue?

318 yah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:19:22am

re: #296 EIDE_Interface
At that time Obama thought he was already president.

319 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:19:46am

re: #314 Killian Bundy

Because, God knows, I've never expressed a qualified legal opinion here.

/LGF search is free

You and I both know that what you submit to a court of law will look quite different from what you type into the threads.

But nice try, anyway.

However, I'm coming around to your position; I don't think many people here would find reading your legal briefs to be a particularly enjoyable enterprise.

320 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:19:57am

re: #310 scottishbuzzsaw

Aww- you're welcome. I like to think I'm just pitching in on filling the gap til the heavy hitters get in later.

321 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:20:30am

re: #316 galloping granny

One with visions of grandeur. One who thinks that he is already President of the United States of America and refers to himself as such - repeatedly. One with the sheer balls to claim that he can heal the earth.

BTW, those big rallies at the Brandenburg Gate - they were a trademark of Hitler. And if you look at pics of those, you will spot a distinct similarity between the architecture of the Brandenburg Gate and The One's Greek Temple.

These lines in Palin's speech were my favourite (from memory):

- After he's done turning back the waters, and healing the planet.

- When the roar of the crowds fade away, and when those dramatic Greek pillars are hauled back to the studio lot where they came from.

- Self-designed Presidential seals.

- The US Presidency is not there for a personal journey of self-discovery.

LOL, I howl just remembering how Palin eviscerated him that night. She spoke for millions of Americans, up to HERE with Obama's ego.

322 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:20:44am

re: #317 galloping granny

I have noticed. Rude and obnoxious beyond all belief. How're you this morning Blue?

Killian snipes; I reply. All he has to do to stop it is to stop it.

323 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:21:52am

re: #319 Salamantis

You and I both know that what you submit to a court of law will look quite different from what you type into the threads.

But nice try, anyway.

However, I'm coming around to your position; I don't think many people here would find reading your legal briefs to be a particularly enjoyable enterprise.

/seriously, you think too much

324 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:21:54am

re: #317 galloping granny

Doing okay. Looking to be a real miserable day up here though. Ike's remains are blowing through and bringing in a change of temperature too. Which can be a good thing. Was really humid and muggy over the weekend.

325 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:22:00am

re: #322 Salamantis

Killian snipes; I reply. All he has to do to stop it is to stop it.

You are an ass. Killian has to do NOTHING at all.

326 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:23:05am

So are we going to have a Great Depression or what? Because selling apples on street corners is not my bag.

327 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:23:13am

Geez, what a bad vibe guys. Killian, rise above it, darling. From what I can see, you're being trolled.

328 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:23:23am

re: #289 galloping granny

You have coffee :) I've got carrot cake. Want to trade?


Deal!

329 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:23:28am

re: #325 galloping granny

You are an ass. Killian has to do NOTHING at all.

If he DID nothing at all as far as sniping at me, none of this would be happening. So who's the ass, now? It ain't me, and it ain't you.

330 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:23:51am

re: #324 BlueCanuck

Doing okay. Looking to be a real miserable day up here though. Ike's remains are blowing through and bringing in a change of temperature too. Which can be a good thing. Was really humid and muggy over the weekend.

Ike is still blowing through here too. Brought a little warm air with it though, which is good. A friend and I took the girls down to the ocean on Friday for school. Very windy & damp, I got pretty chilled and now have a cold.

331 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:24:39am

re: #327 vbspurs

Geez, what a bad vibe guys. Killian, rise above it, darling. From what I can see, you're being trolled.

He's the one who slogged down in it; all he has to do is to step back up out of it.

332 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:24:57am

Lawyer vs. Philosopher. A LOT of shit will be slung!

333 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:25:20am

re: #327 vbspurs

Geez, what a bad vibe guys. Killian, rise above it, darling. From what I can see, you're being trolled.

/won't be long now, just about out of whiskey

334 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:25:45am

re: #326 Tigger2005

So are we going to have a Great Depression or what? Because selling apples on street corners is not my bag.

If we have a great depression and all the rich lose their shirts, just who does Obama think might then pay all that tax money he proposes to collect?

335 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:25:51am

re: #326 Tigger2005

So are we going to have a Great Depression or what? Because selling apples on street corners is not my bag.

Don't worry - private equity firms will step in and create new investment banks out of the ashes of the old ones. Creative destruction is wonderful thing.

336 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:25:56am

re: #333 Killian Bundy

/won't be long now, just about out of whiskey

I KNEW there was a reason!

337 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:26:45am

re: #335 EIDE_Interface

Don't worry - private equity firms will step in and create new investment banks out of the ashes of the old ones. Creative destruction is wonderful thing.

And you're not just saying that 'cause you're drunk, are you?
/Kidding!

338 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:26:50am

re: #331 Salamantis

He's the one who slogged down in it; all he has to do is to step back up out of it.

/don't make me quote you again

339 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:27:12am

re: #324 BlueCanuck

Doing okay. Looking to be a real miserable day up here though. Ike's remains are blowing through and bringing in a change of temperature too. Which can be a good thing. Was really humid and muggy over the weekend.


Ike dumped a lot of rain here yesterday morning (metro St. Louis area)...lots of flooded roads, etc. Forecast for today is in the 60s...big drop in temperature...

340 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:27:32am

re: #337 Tigger2005

And you're not just saying that 'cause you're drunk, are you?
/Kidding!

He'll have more white trash to name call.

341 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:27:59am

re: #338 Killian Bundy

/don't make me quote you again

Your gratuitously quoting my essays in an attempt to slag me is what started alla this.

342 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:28:21am

re: #336 Salamantis

I KNEW there was a reason!

/think of it as an impending reprieve on your asshattery

343 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:29:11am

re: #342 Killian Bundy

/think of it as an impending reprieve on your asshattery

Project much?

344 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:29:35am

re: #341 Salamantis

Your gratuitously quoting my essays in an attempt to slag me is what started alla this.

/are you not proud of your essays?

345 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:29:39am

re: #340 Sharmuta

He'll have more white trash to name call.


Well, I was just joking, actually. Trying to lighten the mood a little, hence the /Kidding!. I don't really want to get into all the nasty sniping going on in here this morning.

346 vbspurs  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:30:08am

Well, I'm outties for breakfast. May Lizards feel better later. ;(

347 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:30:18am

re: #344 Killian Bundy

/are you not proud of your essays?

Are you not proud of your legal briefs?

348 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:30:45am

re: #343 Salamantis

Having seen Killian post much more than you, and often short sweet and to the point. All I have to say is put up or . . . . .

349 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:31:24am

re: #347 Salamantis

Are you not proud of your legal briefs?

/hell yes

350 elliot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:32:12am

It's already up on Drudge:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

351 right_on_target  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:32:30am

re: #70 EIDE_Interface

So why does Obama need so much money? I thought he had everything locked up, so the MSM and Daily Kos told me...


--------------------
THAT'S what the Democrat kiddies are going to think and the result will be less $$$$ in the bank.

352 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:33:01am

DKos Kidz:

Wow, lookit the cockfight going on over at Little Green Fascists!

353 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:33:14am

re: #349 Killian Bundy

/hell yes

/no wait, hell yes I got to write law school curriculum

354 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:33:28am

re: #348 BlueCanuck

Having seen Killian post much more than you, and often short sweet and to the point. All I have to say is put up or . . . . .

Put up what? I've put up links to some of MY work, while Killian won't put up links to any of HIS.

But he's just afraid that I will do to him what he's been trying to do to me; quote-mining them in an attempt to make me look bad.

And he's afraid it would be easy for me.

355 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:34:05am

re: #345 Tigger2005

My apologies.

356 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:35:12am
If there is any consistent enemy of science, it is not religion, but irrationalism.

— Stephen Jay Gould

To go back to the quote at the top of the page, there are those who believe that if anyone tries to explain faith rationally, and does not just blindly believe, they are somehow doubting the faith and are not true believers.

In the Epistles in the Christian Scriptures, "vain philosophies" are condemned. Some Protestants take this to mean all investigation of the faith is condemned and not just foolish and unwarranted speculations.

Most Christians have no problem with science or investigating the origins and history of Christianity. If science is trying to understand what we believe God created and Christianity is the word we use to explain the synergistic relationship between God and man, then both our science and faith have the same source, God. Many Christians do fear scientists whom they think try to manipulate their research to fit their pre-conceived ideas, but that does not somehow disqualify all science as "anti-Christian". If science proves what we hold true is wrong, then we are wrong, not science.

357 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:35:27am

So.....how about that 0bama guy. Is he going down in flames or what?

358 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:35:38am

re: #354 Salamantis

Thanks for the links and posts of your works. I will save a lot on needed sleep aids.

359 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:35:40am

How about a Monday morning Sing-a-long, Lizards?

360 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:36:07am

re: #348 BlueCanuck

Having seen Killian post much more than you, and often short sweet and to the point. All I have to say is put up or . . . . .

Let's just say it. I'm tired of the pissing contest Salamantis is carrying on. Going on days now. I'm going to strongly suggest that we all - including Killian - simply ignore Salamantis, since he is apparently incapable of STFU.

361 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:36:16am

re: #357 Sharmuta

So.....how about that 0bama guy. Is he going down in flames or what?


Oh, yes, yes he is...at least I hope so!

362 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:36:56am

re: #357 Sharmuta

So.....how about that 0bama guy. Is he going down in flames or what?

I see Old Joe has an empty airplane and almost no media entourage.

363 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:37:08am

re: #360 galloping granny

Let's just say it. I'm tired of the pissing contest Salamantis is carrying on. Going on days now. I'm going to strongly suggest that we all - including Killian - simply ignore Salamantis, since he is apparently incapable of STFU.

I got pissed off because I got pissed on - so I returned the favor.

364 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:37:51am

re: #354 Salamantis

Put up what? I've put up links to some of MY work

/isn't that embarrassing enough?

365 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:38:02am

re: #361 scottishbuzzsaw

Did you see the Real Clear Politics map I linked in the thread?

366 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:38:06am

re: #357 Sharmuta

So.....how about that 0bama guy. Is he going down in flames or what?

Might not be going down in flames, but his craft is so shot up right now it's being held together with spirit gum and bailing wire.


/Up in the air you Juniour birdsman. . . . . .

367 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:38:20am

re: #359 scottishbuzzsaw

How about a Monday morning Sing-a-long, Lizards?

Here we go - Obama's Theme Song

368 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:38:27am

re: #359 scottishbuzzsaw

How about a Monday morning Sing-a-long, Lizards?

Kum ba yah, my Lord, kum ba yah ...

She's got the whole country, in her hand, she's got the whole country, in her hand, she's got the whole country, in her hand, Sarah's got the whole country in her hand ....

369 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:39:36am

re: #364 Killian Bundy

/isn't that embarrassing enough?

Actually, umm, no. Let me repost my last link:

[Link: blog.myspace.com...]

Peiople here can judge for themselves whether I should feel embarrassed for having written it.

370 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:40:04am

re: #359 scottishbuzzsaw

How about a Monday morning Sing-a-long, Lizards?

/good thinking

371 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:40:26am

re: #365 Sharmuta

Did you see the Real Clear Politics map I linked in the thread?


*heading up to find the link...*

372 yah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:40:39am

re: #350 elliot
Wow! I never saw Drudge post new stuff this early. This is BIG.
Proof of what a phony Obama is. This is going to hurt him.

373 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:40:51am

re: #371 scottishbuzzsaw

Wait- I have it right here:

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

374 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:41:38am

re: #357 Sharmuta

So.....how about that 0bama guy. Is he going down in flames or what?

Don't count him out and discount him too quick. Even stupid people can be treacherous backstabbers. After the electorate votes, then we can be smug.

He does look kinda like that old film of the Hindenburg disaster, doesn't he?

375 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:42:23am

re: #373 Sharmuta

Wait- I have it right here:

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]


Now that's a lovely map to wake up to!

376 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:42:58am

re: #370 Killian Bundy

/good thinking


Oh my goodness...that was just...pathetic...

377 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:43:43am

re: #367 galloping granny

Here we go - Obama's Theme Song


LOL!

378 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:44:55am

re: #356 David IV of Georgia

To go back to the quote at the top of the page, there are those who believe that if anyone tries to explain faith rationally, and does not just blindly believe, they are somehow doubting the faith and are not true believers.

In the Epistles in the Christian Scriptures, "vain philosophies" are condemned. Some Protestants take this to mean all investigation of the faith is condemned and not just foolish and unwarranted speculations.

Most Christians have no problem with science or investigating the origins and history of Christianity. If science is trying to understand what we believe God created and Christianity is the word we use to explain the synergistic relationship between God and man, then both our science and faith have the same source, God. Many Christians do fear scientists whom they think try to manipulate their research to fit their pre-conceived ideas, but that does not somehow disqualify all science as "anti-Christian". If science proves what we hold true is wrong, then we are wrong, not science.

Well said. As an evangelical Christian, I have no problem with searching for a factual basis for my faith. The word for faith in the new testament, pistis actually connotates a faith that is backed up by evidence. I especially belive the historical data are worth being studied to back up my faith. As with science, it seems those Christians who fear it don't understand the point of it, which is not to explain away God, but more simply to explain.

That said, I cringe when I see it written or hear someone say "God said it, I believe, that settles it." What kind of shallow belief is that?

379 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:45:10am

Good Morning, even Monday Morning.'
Four hit pieces on Sarah Palin in the NY Times this morning.
The Obama Media Wing is nervous.

380 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:45:21am

re: #376 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh my goodness...that was just...pathetic...

/probably doesn't want to get within ten feet of Sarah Palin

381 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:46:13am

re: #379 opnion

Good Morning, even Monday Morning.'
Four hit pieces on Sarah Palin in the NY Times this morning.
The Obama Media Wing is nervous.

Do they really think that this is improving their fiscal position?

382 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:46:42am

re: #367 galloping granny

Here we go - Obama's Theme Song

Now I know where Obama gets his material—and it is right on the level I expected it to be.

383 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:47:59am

re: #382 David IV of Georgia

Now I know where Obama gets his material—and it is right on the level I expected it to be.

There is an amazing similarity, isn't there? I'm really kind of surprised that Bob's copyright holders haven't gone after Obama for infringement.

384 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:50:23am

This is going to cause some diarrhea in the Obama camp -
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

385 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:51:46am

re: #381 galloping granny

Do they really think that this is improving their fiscal position?

There is nothing rational going on here. Their advocacy journalism makes them very tedious. It is pathetic yet interesting to see the arrogant slide toward irrelevancy.

386 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:55:00am

re: #374 David IV of Georgia

He does look kinda like that old film of the Hindenburg disaster, doesn't he?


Oh the huge manatee!

387 USA  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:57:29am

re: #287 elliot

If true, this should be the end of Obama's political career.

388 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:57:43am

One of McCain's fellow POW's is on FNC to rebut the Dem's attempt to smear McCain as something less than a hero.

389 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:58:23am

Good Morning Lizards.

I saw a sign at the gas station this morning that read

Help Wanted, Part Time, Nights and Weekends, Responsible and Dependable Only

Apparently they normally will hire irresponsible and undependable...but not this time.

390 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:58:26am

re: #386 Ojoe

Oh the huge manatee!

*groan*

391 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 3:58:56am

re: #385 opnion

There is nothing rational going on here. Their advocacy journalism makes them very tedious. It is pathetic yet interesting to see the arrogant slide toward irrelevancy.

Some months back the kiddo and I were doing a school project and needed a lot of newspaper for some paper mache. I sent her down to the store with instructions to bring back the biggest newspaper she could find - likely the NYT around here. I was dumbfounded. Our local weekly is both a larger page format and thicker than the NYT these days.

392 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:00:01am

re: #389 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards.

I saw a sign at the gas station this morning that read

Apparently they normally will hire irresponsible and undependable...but not this time.

This is discrimination against the irresponsible and undependable. I smell a lawsuit.

393 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:00:42am

re: #389 Ford_Prefect

Mornin' Ford...

394 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:01:45am

re: #391 galloping granny

Some months back the kiddo and I were doing a school project and needed a lot of newspaper for some paper mache. I sent her down to the store with instructions to bring back the biggest newspaper she could find - likely the NYT around here. I was dumbfounded. Our local weekly is both a larger page format and thicker than the NYT these days.


Yup, the NY Times is seeing their advertising dry up. If they keep this up they will compete with mags like Mother Jones, advertising bongs etc.

395 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:02:35am

re: #378 NC State of Mind

That said, I cringe when I see it written or hear someone say "God said it, I believe, that settles it." What kind of shallow belief is that?

It only opens up the question:

"Why do you believe that God said it?"

396 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:05:13am

re: #394 opnion

Yup, the NY Times is seeing their advertising dry up. If they keep this up they will compete with mags like Mother Jones, advertising bongs etc.

Oh how that makes me smile. I remember back in the late 90's when they had that stupid commercial "For me, Sunday was made for the New York Times."

In college they always had a newspaper box that gave them away for free so I'd always take two or three when I was in those parts. I was probably helping them though. I realize now they were just giving them away to help there cirrculation numbers.

397 yochanan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:07:19am

re: #396 NC State of Mind


THE LATTE LIBERALS ALL THINK THE NEW YORK SLIME IS THE WRITTEN TORAH. luckly there aren't enough of them to keep the bird cage liner a float

398 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:08:29am

There's another story in the NY Post that's got to be making the 0bama team doing you-know-what with solid gold bricks:

BOOSTED by the selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate, Republican John McCain has experienced a surge of support among women in heavily Democratic New York state - where he has closed the gap with Barack Obama, new private polls show.

The internal Republican and Democratic polls, details of which were provided to The Post, have stunned members of both parties - and produced deep worries among Democrats.

One great concern for Democrats is that the data show a continuous movement toward the McCain-Palin ticket by women, a majority of whom traditionally favor Democrats.

The movement by women toward McCain is being credited to Democratic attacks on Alaska Gov. Palin, last week's "lipstick on a pig" crack by Obama and to the continuing unhappiness by female Democrats over Obama's failure to pick Hillary Rodham Clinton as his running mate.

"If it winds up being tight in New York, that means McCain wins the election nationally," said a prominent Democrat familiar with some of the polling data.

A prominent Republican familiar with the results said, "It really is something, because we just assumed Obama would carry such a heavily Democratic state like New York with no difficulty."

The private polls have consistently shown the Obama-Biden ticket still leading but with less than 50 percent of the vote in a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans by over 2.3 million voters.

399 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:12:40am

Ahhhh, peace and quiet for a bit.

400 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:13:28am

re: #398 Sharmuta

Wow....

401 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:13:37am

re: #399 BlueCanuck

Ahhhh, peace and quiet for a bit.

Don't speak too soon! Who is this jerk, anyway? He seems to have nearly 4K posts in a year, but I don't recall ever having run across him. Until recently that is.

402 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:17:52am

re: #400 scottishbuzzsaw

Yeah- I think there might be a lot of PUMA power in NY.

403 BlueCanuck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:18:22am

re: #401 galloping granny

Don't really know. You usually find him late at night in ID/Evol threads. Have had him on scroll by most of the time.

404 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:20:10am

re: #403 BlueCanuck

Don't really know. You usually find him late at night in ID/Evol threads. Have had him on scroll by most of the time.

That explains it. I avoid those threads like the bubonic plague. Matter of fact, I think I would rather play with the plague.

405 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:20:12am

re: #401 galloping granny

Don't speak too soon! Who is this jerk, anyway? He seems to have nearly 4K posts in a year, but I don't recall ever having run across him. Until recently that is.

I've been posting in the EVO threads. I've also posted in the Eurofascist threads.

And I'm not a jerk; just someone who refuses to be jerked around.

406 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:24:33am

Have you ever noticed how Obama seems to have no friends, no long term acquaintances, nobody from his past to vouch for him. Well, some of them are speaking up now -

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

407 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:25:26am

re: #405 Salamantis

I've been posting in the EVO threads. I've also posted in the Eurofascist threads.

And I'm not a jerk; just someone who refuses to be jerked around.

You are an obnoxious windbag.

408 Salamantis  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:26:11am

re: #407 galloping granny

You are an obnoxious windbag.

I was told that you were unpleasant.

409 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:26:17am

re: #405 Salamantis

And I'm not a jerk

Don't sell yourself short, you're an incredible jerk, you deserve a free hat.

/post the links to your essays, let the people decide

410 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 4:27:03am

re: #393 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' Ford...

Morning Buzz. Boy I sign in and then get busy at work. Gonna be that kind of day I suppose.

You were still around when I went to bed last night. Don't you sleep?