Server down at link, probably busy, LGF overloading it.

McCain's answer to gorebull warming:

To dramatically reduce carbon emissions, I will institute a new cap-and-trade system that over time will change the dynamic of our energy economy.

*facepalm*

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Server down at link, probably busy, LGF overloading it.

Yep - I just found that out meself ...
Never mind, we'll get to read this in the end!

:-))

Obambi's:

Specifically, I will implement a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary

...

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Same here.

Hey, Walter and I must have tried to get in at the same time. :-)

Site loaded fine for me after a couple refreshes

Wordy bastages, does either side make any sense at all?

[Link: www.umassk12.net...]

STEM

Right off the bat with the first question- 0bama says he'll "increase funding" while McCain says he'll streamline regulations.

All I know is there isn't enough money in the world to pay for all the things 0bama says he's going to fund, and I think science and technology would be getting the short end of the stick. Didn't he say he'd cut funding to NASA?

I got in no prob.

And then quickly found out how little they each know.

Why can't their advisors actually understand what it is they advise about?

Then again, McCain on general energy policies:

In the progress of other alternative energy sources -- such as wind, solar, geothermal, tide, and hydroelectric --government must be an ally but not an arbiter.

The Messiah:

My programs focus both on a greatly expanded program of federally funded energy research and development

re: #2 Fat Jolly Penguin

This is why divided government is a good thing. While it may make it harder for President McCain to get his agenda through Congress, it also makes it harder for him to get the stupid parts of his agenda through Congress.

They both want to increase the number of students taking science and engineering degrees, but actually, neither recognizes that students take degrees where they expect to get a job. With all the publicized offshoring, fewer students are going into these fields.
I'm not sure how to fix this; maybe when the government buys equipment and services, account for how much comes back in taxes from US employers and employees, and subtract that from the cost when determining the lowest cost supplier.

Can we just swap the top and bottom of the GOP ticket please?

Cap and trade is terrible.

re: #2 Fat Jolly Penguin

McCain's answer to gorebull warming:

*facepalm*

I sent a long email with ton's of links after McCain's first AGW speech. No response.

Cap and Trade is an economy killer. It essentially limits economic expansion.

The energy responses (Question 3) shows the main contrast between the two candidates. Obama talks about investing in some new clean form of energy in the future, McCain talks about investing in clean forms of energy that actually exist in the real world.

I just browsed through most of the answers. Seems like Obama's answers involve creating something government to oversee something. McCain's tend to be more along the lines of improving the situation through a hands off, streamlining approach. Big surprise?

re: #12 Fat Jolly Penguin

The Fascist Tool Barack Obama took that line from Marx.

McCain took that line from Paris Hilton.

re: #10 Sharmuta

Right off the bat with the first question- 0bama says he'll "increase funding" while McCain says he'll streamline regulations.

All I know is there isn't enough money in the world to pay for all the things 0bama says he's going to fund, and I think science and technology would be getting the short end of the stick. Didn't he say he'd cut funding to NASA?

Look at the STEM link I provided. NASA is one of the participants.

If Dems demonstrably believe money grows on trees and they are willing to cut trees to print more money because they don't believe in the laws of SUPPLY & DEMAND, why should I trust them with more advanced scientific or mathematic reasoning?

Right off the bat with the first question- 0bama says he'll "increase funding" while McCain says he'll streamline regulations.

That sums up the philoshies of the two parties (although the Republicans have strayed from theirs lately). One party wants the spend money and take control, the other wants you to do it yourself, but will stand out of your way to allow that to happen.

re: #13 doppelganglander

This is why divided government is a good thing. While it may make it harder for President McCain to get his agenda through Congress, it also makes it harder for him to get the stupid parts of his agenda through Congress.

Ding!

Let me summarize for all you Zionist rubes:

Q: Science?
A:
Obamessiah: controlled by the politburo
McSame: remove regulations

Now, which answer do you think warms my heart, and which one strikes fear?

re: #22 Dave the.....

That sums up the philoshies of the two parties (although the Republicans have strayed from theirs lately). One party wants the spend your money and take control of you, the other wants you to do it yourself, but will stand out of your way to allow that to happen.

More correct.

So are these concerned scientists trying to get more money to fight global warming or what? I trust science, but any given scientist can be just as corrupted as any given politician, especially if there is intermingling between the two.

re: #17 Basho

The energy responses (Question 3) shows the main contrast between the two candidates. Obama talks about investing in some new clean form of energy in the future, McCain talks about investing in clean forms of energy that actually exist in the real world.

Obama wants unicorn power.

This is why divided government is a good thing. While it may make it harder for President McCain to get his agenda through Congress, it also makes it harder for him to get the stupid parts of his agenda through Congress.

And vice versa...McCain may veto a stupid bill that a Democrat congress passes, while signing a similar one coming from a Republican legislature.

But I thought McCain was just a rube who couldn't even do emails......

NObama - National Security

"Technology leadership is key to our national security. It’s essential to create a coherent new defense technology strategy to meet the kinds of threats we may face—asymmetric conflicts, urban operations, peacekeeping missions, and cyber, bio, and proliferation threats, as well as new kinds of symmetric threats."

Thought he was going to gut weapon system development that use.....ummmm.... new technology.

" I will lead the nation to be prepared to meet this 21st- century challenge by investing again in math and science education"

Is this national security or a Harvard Debate Senator NObama?

I noticed Obama's response on national security talked a lot about increasing military research, yet for some reason he failed to mention how he plans to eliminate missile defense and nuclear weapons.

BHO's STEM folks are heavily into global climate change.

Obama the ignorant.
There can no longer be any doubt that human activities are influencing the global climate

McCain not far behind.
The same fossil-fuels that power our economic engine also produced greenhouse gases that retain heat and thus threaten to alter the global climate.

Is climate changing, yes, that's what climate does, change.

Do humans have a climate foot print? Maybe, but in comparison to the climate cycles it's minuscule at best and certainly not the climate driver.

re: #18 simonml

I just browsed through most of the answers. Seems like Obama's answers involve creating something government to oversee something. McCain's tend to be more along the lines of improving the situation through a hands off, streamlining approach. Big surprise?

Worse. 0bama's policies have the government spending money to "solve problems"; McCain generally wants to find ways to let private industry solve the same problems. We know how well central planning works in things like this.
I'm surprised 0bama didn't talk of several "five year plans" like the Communists used to.

" Overseas, I will launch a Shared Security Partnership that invests $5 billion over 3 years to forge an international intelligence and law enforcement infrastructure to take down terrorist networks. "

Don't we already have enough international agencies that squander our money?!?!?!?!?

While there is a lot of similarity in both candidates' positions, the contrast on HOW to achieve the results are strikingly vast. Obama wants more and more Nationalization, Governmental Regulation, Governmental Oversight, and Pie In The Sky Future Solutions, while McCain is for streamlining the process with less Government.

5. National Security.

Obama -

Technology leadership is key to our national security. It’s essential to create a coherent new defense technology strategy to meet the kinds of threats we may face—asymmetric conflicts, urban operations, peacekeeping missions, and cyber, bio, and proliferation threats, as well as new kinds of symmetric threats.

You've already promised to cut the leading edge technologies.

On NASA:

McCain:

As President, I will --

• Ensure that space exploration is top priority and that the U.S. remains a leader;

• Commit to funding the NASA Constellation program to ensure it has the resources it needs to begin a new era of human space exploration.

• Review and explore all options to ensure U.S. access to space by minimizing the gap between the termination of the Space Shuttle and the availability of its replacement vehicle;

• Ensure the national space workforce is maintained and fully utilized; Complete construction of the ISS National Laboratory;

• Seek to maximize the research capability and commercialization possibilities of the ISS National Laboratory;

• Maintain infrastructure investments in Earth-monitoring satellites and support systems;

• Seek to maintain the nation's space infrastructure;

• Prevent wasteful earmarks from diverting precious resources from critical scientific research;

• and ensure adequate investments in aeronautics research.

The ONE:

There is currently no organizational authority in the federal government with a sufficiently broad mandate to oversee a comprehensive and integrated strategy and policy dealing with all aspects of the government’s space-related programs, including those being managed by NASA, the Department of Defense, the National Reconnaissance Office, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Transportation, and other federal agencies.

McCain: Increase and support exploration and discovery. Obama: Increase the federal bureaucracy.

Gee, that's a hard choice. Not.

McCain on National Security:

As President, I will strengthen the military, shore up our alliances, and ensure that the nation is capable of protecting the homeland, deterring potential military challenges, responding to any crisis that endangers American security, and prevailing in any conflict we are forced to fight.

0bama:

As president I will also ensure that our defense, homeland security, and intelligence agencies have the strong research leadership needed to revitalize our defense research activities and achieve breakthrough science that can be quickly converted into new capabilities for our security.

Mr. 0bama- what about winning?

Does anyone have a chart that tracks public perception of Global Warming as a function of current, local temperature or local temperature variation from the mean? I am wondering if Global Warming is a "hot" topic in the summer - but a real loser in MN on November 5th.

re: #36 Basho

" Overseas, I will launch a Shared Security Partnership that invests $5 billion over 3 years to forge an international intelligence and law enforcement infrastructure to take down terrorist networks. "

Don't we already have enough international agencies that squander our money?!?!?!?!?

Where's he gonna' get all this money?!

GRAB YOUR WALLETS, FOLKS!

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Does Obama advocate anything that doesn't contradict both the laws of physics and the laws of economics?

LMAO!

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Does Obama advocate anything that doesn't contradict both the laws of physics and the laws of economics?

But, he's BHO! He can do all things contradictory!

OT:

How reliable is the Survey/USA poll?

Obama - I

will restore the basic principle that government decisions should be based on the best- available, scientifically-valid evidence and not on the ideological predispositions

See GW answer, BS.

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Does Obama advocate anything that doesn't contradict both the laws of physics and the laws of economics?

He is the Obamessiah, physics and economics obey him!
/

Thanks for linking this Charles.

Just printed it....I'll have to read it later.

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Does Obama advocate anything that doesn't contradict both the laws of physics and the laws of economics?

Those in Congress write the US civil laws, so why not just rewrite and redraft the scientific and economic ones as well?

On Genetics research 0bama says:

I also recognize that the power of modern genetics has raised important ethical, legal, and social issues that require careful study. For example, new developments in human genetics allow individuals to be informed about their risks of various diseases; such information can be useful for diagnosing and treating disease, but it can also be misused by employers or insurers to discriminate. For this reason, I have been a long-time supporter of the recently passed Genetic Information Non-Discrimination Act. In addition, concerned about the premature introduction of genetic testing into the public domain without appropriate oversight, I introduced the Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2007 aimed at ensuring the safety and accuracy of such testing.

Dear Lord- he sees a victim in everything and a government solution for it too!

re: #53 Sharmuta

Dear Lord- he sees a victim in everything and a government solution for it too!

Communists have a nasty habit of doing that.

re: #53 Sharmuta

On Genetics research 0bama says:

Dear Lord- he sees a victim in everything and a government solution for it too!

Look at how much he has benefited from government; so why wouldn't he want to spread the largesses?

McCain did say that he supports private space development, but I wish he'd come out stronger for that. In particular, the government should guarantee purchase of a certain number of launches, meeting certain parameters, at a certain cost, and then stay out of it until private industry develops those launchers. That is, no government money until delivery, but guaranteed if the launcher meets straightforward specs - weight to specified orbit, vibration and temperature within limits, etc.
And that means the government can't have its own system after the current Orion project, unless industry doesn't deliver. We need to complete Orion, because it could take longer for private projects, given where Orion is now in development, and because most private ones will be unmanned at first.

re: #53 Sharmuta

I was surprised not to see reference to Christopher Reeves in The One's response re:Stem cells.

/ I know, I'm a cynic.

Leading guestions. For scientists, they are better lobbyists.

re: #29 Sharmuta

But I thought McCain was just a rube who couldn't even do emails......

* * *

Remember McCain gradumacated from the Naval Academy with a degree in engineering, as was the requirement back in the day.

McCain used plenty computers on board his high tech planes--with joy sticks!

re: #42 Sharmuta

Mr. 0bama- what about winning?

He only cares about winning an election.

Proposed alternative reading for McCain.

To solve poroblems of Global Warming and the Energy Crisis I shall turn off the lights in Al Gore's house.

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

Good call.

For a Senator from AZ, McCain totally dominated the question of ocean health.

re: #37 buzzsawmonkey

Well, he did slip a while back and talk about being President for "ten years." That's two Five Year Plans.

* * *
Thank you for this reminder of his five year plans! Worked so well for the Soviets 70 years of failed crops, failed infrastructure, police state.

re: #61 alegrias

That was me being facetious.

re: #57 taxfreekiller

Where are you (generally speaking), and what's the elevation?

/don't want to know if you don't wanna tell.

re: #53 Sharmuta

On Genetics research 0bama says:

Dear Lord- he sees a victim in everything and a government solution for it too!

I tend to support this Act. I do not want my or The Kid's genetic information floating around out there. Nor do I want to see employers and insurers have that information 'cause it could lead to discrimination.

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

Hey--if you create the problem in the first place, it is much easier to solve. It's the problems that you don't create that are difficult to control.

Government: If you think the problems we create are bad, just wait until you see our solutions.

Electoral College: McCain 200 Obama 193

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Does Obama advocate anything that doesn't contradict both the laws of physics and the laws of economics?

* * *
He comes not to fulfill the laws of nature, but the CHANGE them!

re: #66 alegrias

* * *
Thank you for this reminder of his five year plans! Worked so well for the Soviets 70 years of failed crops, failed infrastructure, police state.

That's why we're hearing about 10 year plans - convenient since Presidents only get 8 years, but if only we had 2 more years, alas ...

I am the former chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. The Committee plays a major role in the development of technology policy, specifically any legislation affecting communications services, the Internet, cable television and other technologies. Under my guiding hand, Congress developed a wireless spectrum policy that spurred the rapid rise of mobile phones and Wi-Fi technology that enables Americans to surf the web while sitting at a coffee shop, airport lounge, or public park.

Odd for a guy that doesnt know how to use email. I am starting to think the Obama campaign needs to do some googling now and again

re: #69 MandyManners

I tend to support this Act. I do not want my or The Kid's genetic information floating around out there. Nor do I want to see employers and insurers have that information 'cause it could lead to discrimination.

That's not already covered under HIPPA? Just more regulations and more chances for loopholes and redefinitions.

re: #75 superjhero

Odd for a guy that doesnt know how to use email. I am starting to think the Obama campaign needs to do some googling now and again

Which is odd since it seems Google supports him as the World Citizen for President.

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Does Obama advocate anything that doesn't contradict both the laws of physics and the laws of economics?

* * *

Madrassas don't teach the laws of nature!

After a quick skimming, the basic breakdown seems to be;

Obama - Expand current programs and make new ones (i.e. more spending)

McCain - Do more with less and go with what works (i.e. revisions and cutbacks)

re: #71 CommonSense

Electoral College: McCain 200 Obama 193

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Even in Moonbattachusetts, the 0 isn't doing great, 51 or 52 percent depending on the poll, with McCain 35-37%. A lot of undecideds, I see (or maybe Green party voters)

re: #76 celtic templar

That's not already covered under HIPPA? Just more regulations and more chances for loopholes and redefinitions.

I'm not aware of what all HIPAA covers.

re: #71 CommonSense

Electoral College: McCain 200 Obama 193

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

The latest Survey/USA poll in Virginia has it:

Obama: 50%
McCain: 46%

WTF?

Just finished reading it all - and without going into particulars, B0 is always, but always sying 'Iwll do this/that/the other without ever giving any particulars as to how he is going to do this. He is blinding he unaware reader with highlfalutin abbreviations and lovel big words btu practicalities ehre are none.

What a contrast to john McCain, who not only can proudly refer to his frecord, but who gives precise points as to waht in aprticular he is going to do. Above all, there isn't much about the president 'reachign out' to everybody right down to the local level ...i.e. Big Government telling everybody what to do/eat/drive ...

I know whom I'd vote for if I could - but will all those scientists know? Being a scientist doesn't necessarily mean one's got a good understanding of politics ..

re: #78 alegrias

Madrassas don't teach the laws of nature!

It's all "Allah's will" according to them.

/Newton, Einstein, Darwin? Who needs them, we have Allah.
//

Ooohh! ...Shiny...

Woohooo! I just got a new computer at work! Nice big flat screen (thing should come with popcorn). So fast it blows my hair back (or it would if I had any). Still working out some of the technical issues and setting everything up the way I like it, but it is much better than the old one.

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

After a quick skimming, the basic breakdown seems to be;

Obama - Expand current programs and make new ones (i.e. more spending)

McCain - Do more with less and go with what works (i.e. revisions and cutbacks)

Actually, it is more:
0bama - the government will solve all the problems with more money and regulation
McCain - the government will cut regulations and taxes so that industry will solve all the problems, with some targeted government incentives.

re: #85 Ford_Prefect

Ooohh! ...Shiny...

Woohooo! I just got a new computer at work! Nice big flat screen (thing should come with popcorn). So fast it blows my hair back (or it would if I had any). Still working out some of the technical issues and setting everything up the way I like it, but it is much better than the old one.

Does it have that new computer smell?
obey all speed warning signs!
:)

McCain on the oceans:

Ocean health and policy requires better management focus; however, we also need a better scientific understanding of the oceans. In no area is this truer than in obtaining a better understanding of the interaction of climate change and the oceans.

Senator- the oceans are the leading contributor to CO2 emissions. BAN THE OCEAN!

re: #82 Typicalwhitey

Probably a poll of the future dis-enfranchised voters we never can find.

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

It's all "Allah's will" according to them.

/Newton, Einstein, Darwin? Who needs them, we have Allah.
//

Because Allah can change his mind, there's no point in doing science. If it isn't in the Koran, it isn't worth knowing.
Please, Iran, use the Koran, not Western technology, to build your nuclear devices. If they aren't in the Koran, Muslims shouldn't have them, right?

re: #82 Typicalwhitey

The latest Survey/USA poll in Virginia has it:

Obama: 50%
McCain: 46%

WTF?

I wonder what the internals will show on the % of (D)s polled?

re: #65 snowcrash

For a Senator from AZ, McCain totally dominated the question of ocean health.

Well, at one time, what is now Arizona was covered by the sea--I'm not sure that McCain goes that far back...

re: #82 Typicalwhitey

Every poll has McCain and Obama within the margin of error of the poll. It doesn't really matter who is up 2-3%. This is really bad news for Obama, though. He should be ahead by a statistically significant margin. That he is not spells trouble for him. Still, it is really too close to call. I expect it to stay that way up until the election.

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Does it have that new computer smell?
obey all speed warning signs!
:)

You are going to get me in trouble...someone just walked by and saw me smelling my computer... :-)

Rasmussen -
At 6:00 p.m. Eastern, new state polling will be released for Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

re: #89 Sharmuta

McCain on the oceans:

Senator- the oceans are the leading contributor to CO2 emissions. BAN THE OCEAN!

Vostok Ice cores showed CO2 rises lags temperature, (yep CO2 isn't the temp driver) by 800 years, which coincidentally is the time it takes the oceans warm up. Warm liquids have a lower Pco₂, which means as oceans warm they release CO2.

Summary-

Obama: Government is the answer

McCain: American Ingenuity is the answer

re: #75 superjhero

I am the former chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. The Committee plays a major role in the development of technology policy, specifically any legislation affecting communications services, the Internet, cable television and other technologies. Under my guiding hand, Congress developed a wireless spectrum policy that spurred the rapid rise of mobile phones and Wi-Fi technology that enables Americans to surf the web while sitting at a coffee shop, airport lounge, or public park.

Odd for a guy that doesnt know how to use email. I am starting to think the Obama campaign needs to do some googling now and again

Yes! I claim dibs, McCain is using the script I wrote, I want a job out of this. Fist pump

re: #53 Sharmuta

Question which some might be able to answer:
did the B0 really introduce said Acts relating to Genetics?
Or did he just vote 'present' when they were on the floor?

If the dems had an iota of sense on energy they
would have cut a deal on it and signed sweeping
legislation with the Bush White house.

Where are they?

OUT TO LUNCH and Punch drunk on their
lack of power.

The biggest do nothings ever.

Pelosi should dry up and cry and leave it
to the big boys.

Oh wait, I'm being sexist.

Nope. I see Sarah Palin as a real player to
put real energy bills in to motion.

Rush: John Gotti is a community organizer.

re: #24 HugoChavez

Let me summarize for all you Zionist rubes:

Q: Science?
A:
Obamessiah: controlled by the politburo
McSame: remove regulations

Now, which answer do you think warms my heart, and which one strikes fear?

You have a heart? /

re: #98 Sharmuta

Worth more than one upper thingy.

re: #97 jcm

Vostok Ice cores showed CO2 rises lags temperature, (yep CO2 isn't the temp driver) by 800 years, which coincidentally is the time it takes the oceans warm up. Warm liquids have a lower Pco₂, which means as oceans warm they release CO2.

Yes- and the oceans absorb CO2 as they cool. So, if we're headed for some global cooling, the oceans will absorb the CO2 emissions everyone is so worried about.

I own a small business and pay lots of taxes, I wonder what could be in the Obama "goodie bag" for me...hummmmmm...///

re: #97 jcm

And never mind the simple fact that the single biggest factor in greenhouse gases is water vapor. Not COx, which is a fraction of a percentage of the atmosphere.

OT:

Barry is in my hometown live on Fox right now!

Small town, though biggest on the western slope of Colorado.

Conservative - Barry is definitely working Colorado.

re: #106 gibsonz

I own a small business and pay lots of taxes, I wonder what could be in the Obama "goodie bag" for me...hummmmmm...///

Bankruptcy?

re: #102 DistantThunder

Rush: John Gotti is a community organizer.

So was Malcolm X

re: #109 Nevergiveup

Of course it ain't funny, but worth a dinger anyway.

Fox is covering Paulson's announcement. MSNBC and CNN are covering BHO.

McCain needs 20 surrogates blanketing the airways with the message that the Housing/stock market crash is the fault of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Gorelick, Rezco, Ayers and Rangel. He must be relentless on this.

re: #112 MandyManners

What is Paulson doing, waxing funny?

re: #94 Iron Fist

Every poll has McCain and Obama within the margin of error of the poll. It doesn't really matter who is up 2-3%. This is really bad news for Obama, though. He should be ahead by a statistically significant margin. That he is not spells trouble for him. Still, it is really too close to call. I expect it to stay that way up until the election.

What is real scary is that NObama has not even been vetted by the MSM, it's a shame that Palin as VP has been/is vetted more than the #1 on the opposing ticket.

re: #113 lifeofthemind

McCain needs 20 surrogates blanketing the airways with the message that the Housing/stock market crash is the fault of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Gorelick, Rezco, Ayers and Rangel. He must be relentless on this.

And Frank

re: #112 MandyManners

Fox is covering Paulson's announcement. MSNBC and CNN are covering BHO.

That is because Obama will have the laws of economics rewritten when he becomes World Messiah.

re: #114 Cap'n DOC

What is Paulson doing, waxing funny?

*whack*

re: #112 MandyManners

Fox is covering Paulson's announcement. MSNBC and CNN are covering BHO.

I have blocked MSNBC from my cable box.

re: #115 CommonSense

Ya don't vet the home team, silly.

re: #112 MandyManners

Fox is covering Paulson's announcement. MSNBC and CNN are covering BHO.

Whats the gist? No TV here.

re: #111 Cap'n DOC

Of course it ain't funny, but worth a dinger anyway.

If I could ever sell the building I own, I would seriously consider going active duty. The taxes, fees, and bullshit are getting to me.

re: #98 Sharmuta

Summary-

Obama: Government is the answer

McCain: American Ingenuity is the answer

As I mentioned in another thread, the more I hear Obama speak the more certain I am that he is an out and out communist.

re: #116 DistantThunder

And Frank

Isn't that the Dear that does not give a damn?

re: #120 Racer X

I have blocked MSNBC from my cable box.

Fios took care of that for me.

re: #118 MandyManners

Okay. Waning funny then.

re: #126 Nevergiveup

Fios took care of that for me.

How do you like Fios?

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

"I don't think there's anything in that black bag for me."
--Dorothy, in the film "The Wizard of Oz"

I think that the "Friends of Dorothy" are divided on this election. They would have gone with Hillary but BO's rigid conformist followers might frighten them.

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Scientists will probably vote for the candidate that looks like the better source of grant money.

Yeah - what a surprise!

Thing is - they did that here, 11 years ago. What a dreadful awakening; more rules, less money (gotta look after the poor, work-shy people first, see!), and the latest instalment in this saga was that the govenrment forced a couple of astronomy/astrophysics research institutes to join up - and cut their grants.
Thus, the world-famous radio-telescope at Jodrell banks is looking to be closed - for the lack of 8 million ££ ( about $14 million).

Thats how the science programmes of B0 will end up looking like - but scientists are always so full of hope, expecting things to change ...

re: #127 Cap'n DOC

Thanks for your service.

re: #128 Racer X

How do you like Fios?

I like it. I like all the military channels and I think the reception is better than my cable was, but that may only be wishful thinking on my part.

6 Guilty in Australia's Biggest Terrorism Trial

Jurors in Australia's biggest terrorism trial found six Muslim men guilty of being members of an extremist group that plotted to wage what prosecutors called "violent jihad" in the city of Melbourne. Four other men have been acquitted of related charges. From Sydney, Phil Mercer reports.

The jury found Abdul Nacer Benbrika, a Muslim cleric, guilty of planning to stage a violent religious war in Melbourne three years ago. Five of his followers were convicted of forming a terrorist organization.

The court was told that Benbrika's group had planned to attack a high-profile Australian-rules football match in Melbourne that attracted almost 100,000 fans. The prosecution also said the men had discussed killing the former Australian prime minister, John Howard, and identified railway stations as possible targets.

The cleric allegedly told his supporters that it was permissible to kill women, children and the elderly

re: #129 lifeofthemind

I think that the "Friends of Dorothy" are divided on this election. They would have gone with Hillary but BO's rigid conformist followers might frighten them.

Is the Wicked Witch of the West Hillary or Michelle?

re: #122 Syrah

Whats the gist? No TV here.

Some of this is above my pay-grade.

re: #131 CommonSense

You're very welcome.

re: #91 Kosh's Shadow

Because Allah can change his mind, there's no point in doing science. If it isn't in the Koran, it isn't worth knowing.
Please, Iran, use the Koran, not Western technology, to build your nuclear devices. If they aren't in the Koran, Muslims shouldn't have them, right?

Right!

re: #134 Kosh's Shadow

Is the Wicked Witch of the West Hillary or Michelle?

Michelle, Barack Obama achieved a miracle, he turned Hillary Clinton into a sympathetic figure.

Think there is any connection between the Lehman and the Stock Market Collapse and the Yankees not making the playoffs? I know, I'm reaching here?

re: #116 DistantThunder

Yes and no. Greenspan pumped excess M3 into the economy starting in 1996. That money will find something to speculate in, be it tulips, internet stocks or housing. Some of the loans were obviously done under political pressure, but some of them were done because people wanted to loan money to anything. If there is anyone I fault in this, it is Queen Elizabeth. When she knighted Sir Greenspan she should have slipped with her sword a bit. [kidding on that of course, but this is largely the result of Easy Alan].

re: #140 Nevergiveup

Either way it's Bush's fault.

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

After a quick skimming, the basic breakdown seems to be;

Obama - Expand current programs and make new ones (i.e. more spending)

McCain - Do more with less and go with what works (i.e. revisions and cutbacks)

Well, I'd go better than what McLame said on some of the stuff he's "advocating".

Health care - Get rid of most (not all) of the Gov't meddling/rules. Most of all, get rid of the lawsuit industry by pusing for "loser pays"!

Climate change - no such animal as CO2 greenhouse gases causing it. Try to eliminate dumping in the atmosphere and water, yes, but all the rest is heresay/speculation/bad science.

Embryonic stem cell research? Not on my watch! Embryo stem cells are almost useless, they have a high cancer/mutation rate. Not even going to mention the moral problem with "harvesting" embryos for the stem cells.

Energy? Drill! Give incentives for coming up with new energy sources (but we need to get the Gubmint out of the research end and encourage private sector). We have a lack of brainpower to solve these problems due to lack of motivation (read: money) and edumacated people.

National Security - Kill the terrorists and anybody that harbors them. You listening, Iran and Pakistan?

Water - Set the private sector loose on solving the problem. We waste a tremendous amount right now, and with population pressures we can't afford the waste now.

Research - See "serendipity", otherwise known as "Bread cast upon the waters". Keep Gubmint interference to a minimum, encourage where necessary.

Summation: Less Gubmint involvement, more private sector. This applies to darn near everything.

Get out of my pocket, Freddie and Fannie!

JAFLW

/just my .04¢ worth (adjusted for inflation)

re: #92 jcm

I wonder what the internals will show on the % of (D)s polled?

R: 33
D: 37
I: 23

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

That's because he wants the military equivalent of unicorn power, as well as its civilian counterpart.

OT, but I can no longer resist the impulse to post a little Shel Silverstein:

A long time ago when the earth was green
And there was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen,
And they run around free while the earth was bein' born
And the loveliest of all was the Unicorn.

There was green alligators and long-necked geese.
There was humpy bumpy camels and chimpanzees.
There was catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the Unicorn.

re: #132 Nevergiveup

I like it. I like all the military channels and I think the reception is better than my cable was, but that may only be wishful thinking on my part.

How about the HD channels?

re: #147 Racer X

How about the HD channels?

Sports is great on them. However, the results don't seem change?

re: #145 lurking faith

Ha -- good reference. I don't know if you've ever read anything about Silverstein's life, but he was a really, really interesting guy.

re: #107 lawhawk

And never mind the simple fact that the single biggest factor in greenhouse gases is water vapor. Not COx, which is a fraction of a percentage of the atmosphere.

We'll just ignore the other planets warming.... just can't figure out what all the planets have in common so will ignore that.

/

Now that we're heading into what looks like a Maunder Minimum well be having coming ice age warnings in a few years...... just like when I was in school.

re: #150 jcm

We'll just ignore the other planets warming.... just can't figure out what all the planets have in common so will ignore that.

/

Yep- real head scratcher, that.

//

re: #95 Ford_Prefect

You are going to get me in trouble...someone just walked by and saw me smelling my computer... :-)

AND NO SPITTING ON THE SHINY NEW FLATSCREEN MONITOR!

JAFLW

/Just a few words of warning...

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

It was a gay friend of mine from San Francisco that forwarded the disjointed Eve Ensler anti-Palin rant that I posted last week.

Complicated people, they have complicated "issues" but there is definetly some movement going on. It is the friction from that movement which produces the heat we see as people defend protective paradigms.

re: #150 jcm

Cripes - I remember those as well!

Started to stockpile woollen blankets and hot-water-bottles, I did ... and then it was all for nought what with the warming.

re: #140 Nevergiveup

Think there is any connection between the Lehman and the Stock Market Collapse and the Yankees not making the playoffs? I know, I'm reaching here?

No, the Babe Ruth curse was truly reversed. The Yankees won't win a World Series for 84 years.

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

Global warming is all the fault of the polar bears. Too much polar fleece.

Those crafty bears are running 3 card monte games to fleece the tourists.

OT
Palestinians Man Phone Bank for Obama

[Link: newsmax.com...]

Talk about outsourcing.

re: #149 Cognito

I haven't read too much about him-but what do you mean by "interesting". Please don't tell me he was a freak or a pedophile or something like that.

re: #156 Kosh's Shadow

No, the Babe Ruth curse was truly reversed. The Yankees won't win a World Series for 84 years.

A-Rod only has a ten year contract.

re: #156 Kosh's Shadow

No, the Babe Ruth curse was truly reversed. The Yankees won't win a World Series for 84 years.

The real sea change will be goat in the box seats at Wrigley.

re: #135 MandyManners

Some of this is above my pay-grade.

You would still get my vote.

re: #152 just another four-letter word

AND NO SPITTING ON THE SHINY NEW FLATSCREEN MONITOR!

JAFLW

/Just a few words of warning...

I am going to have to stop eating or drinking while reading these posts then.

re: #158 CommonSense

OT
Palestinians Man Phone Bank for Obama

[Link: newsmax.com...]

Talk about outsourcing.

I would like to see US Attorneys and the FBI marching into Obama's HQ and that of all the other Soros 527 fronts simultaneously. Seize those computer and phone records and find out where the money has been coming from.

re: #164 lifeofthemind

I would like to see US Attorneys and the FBI marching into Obama's HQ and that of all the other Soros 527 fronts simultaneously. Seize those computer and phone records and find out where the money has been coming from.

You aren't holding your breath are you?

McCain within 5 in New York!

Barack Obama- 46%
John McCain- 41%

re: #159 WriterMom

I haven't read too much about him-but what do you mean by "interesting". Please don't tell me he was a freak or a pedophile or something like that.

No, not at all. He was just a real Renaissance man. Poet and author, as everyone knows, but also a successful musician, composer, cartoonist, screenwriter and narrative writer.

He was a military man, and got his start as the cartoonist for the Stars and Stripes paper.

And if I remember correctly, he wrote the music and lyrics for a song that Johnny Cash sang. A little ditty called "A Boy Named Sue."

I could go on.

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