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Open | Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:19:00 pm PDT

I bought some used paint. It was in the shape of a house.

Steven Wright

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1 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:20:07pm

Obama On Defense Last Year:

Hmmm.

2 KibbyKat  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:20:16pm

Wow! I never get to the party this early. Hi, Lizards!

3 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:20:17pm

TWIRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:20:52pm
5 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:21:19pm

Hey, I got the premium spot. First time ever. :D

6 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:21:22pm

Do open threads require open minds?

7 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:21:53pm

Give me an open thread, and I'll move the world.

Charles "Archimedes" Johnson.

8 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:22:16pm

Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good. - Thomas Sowell

9 acwgusa  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:23:22pm

Wow. Market go woosh.

/Yes, I realize that isn't really an intelligent comment. It's Monday. Cut me a break.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:23:34pm

I think Chris Matthews's leg has gone numb. There's no transcript for his show from yesterday yet (nor the week before--dang he's slow) but this is what I heard:

"I can't wait to see Todd Palin on his snowmobile in Washington DC after it snows."

It was right at the end of the show. Don't tell Obama, he might cry...

11 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:24:12pm
12 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:24:18pm

re: #7 jcm

Give me an open thread, and I'll move the world.

Charles "Archimedes" Johnson.

Give me a big enough lever and ... They knew simple machines back in the day.

13 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:25:42pm
14 jill e  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:26:18pm

Note to Matt Damon (from Mickey Kaus): Lots of people like bad Disney movies, and don't like the kind of people who sneer at bad Disney movies.

15 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:26:41pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

I think Chris Matthews's leg has gone numb. There's no transcript for his show from yesterday yet (nor the week before--dang he's slow) but this is what I heard:


It was right at the end of the show. Don't tell Obama, he might cry...

That dickhead's just jealous 'cause he ain't half the man Todd Palin is.

16 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:29:06pm

re: #15 MandyManners

That dickhead's just jealous 'cause he ain't half the man Todd Palin is.

He's not half the man Hillary Clinton is.

18 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:29:25pm

re: #14 jill e

I really liked the Victorian submarine in Disney's "20,000 Leagues under the Sea".
Victorian Submarine

19 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:29:27pm

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

He's not half the man Hillary Clinton is.

OOH, that's gonna leave a mark!

20 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:29:39pm

An update, reposted from the dormant "McCain Photo Fallout" thread: Greenburg will not be paid for her work.

21 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:29:45pm
22 joncelli  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:30:07pm

Slow today. did everybody have a bad weekend?

23 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:30:15pm

Charles - thanks for the h/t earlier.

In follow up, here are some interesting links:

Folks should be of Obama's "Economic Advisers" who are subprime cronies - Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines and even Jamie Gorelick.

And it looks like Fannie / Freddie were in the thick of Chicago politics by making donations to Jesse Jackson's "Push" as well.

24 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:31:30pm
25 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:31:37pm

I can't look at Jamie Gorelick's name and not read it in my mind as Gore lick.
Eww!

26 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:31:57pm

Wait a minute... wait a minute... a tiny bounce in the market, now... from -412 to -385....

Pull up! Everyone grab the yoke and pull up!

27 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:32:02pm

re: #13 MandyManners

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Is BHO even authorized to hold those kinds of discussions?

28 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:32:10pm

re: #21 taxfreekiller

Charles,

We need a quick reference on Obama.

Time line.
Who is under the bus, and why.
Who is not under the bus and should be.

one list of full blown commies

another of full blown anti American terrorist (home grown)

another of the international type

main sources of money, Soros etal

his votes in the state and U.S. Senate

like that,

for people searching for knowledge but without time to view all the threads...?

just thinking out loud

That would be a good idea!

29 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:32:10pm

THe paint by numbers campaign may be coming apart but I fear that the market news will give it a fresh coat.

30 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:32:19pm

-375...

31 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:32:35pm
32 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #27 Russkilitlover

Is BHO even authorized to hold those kinds of discussions?

He thinks he is.

bbl

33 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:04pm

Just asking, how many DNC lawyers do you think are gearing up to contest the election in the courts if Barry loses?

34 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:11pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

An update, reposted from the dormant "McCain Photo Fallout" thread: Greenburg will not be paid for her work.

Is that a weasel word? She won't be paid for the session.

35 Outrider  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:16pm

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

More fun from the MSM artists re: Sarah Palin.

Don't forget to savor the comments.

This is what passes for intelligent discussion? For political cartoons? What are these guys? 12?

36 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:29pm

Left Wing Looney Press going Crazy Again:

You’ve heard of “guilty while driving black” of course. I gather this is “guilty while living in the Pacific Northwest”.

If only we could find out if say, and I’m just spitballing here, if Obama had any connection to radical racists, perhaps even one connected to a church of some sort. And as for ‘radial antistatism’, do you suppose Obama ever knew anyone who, and again I’m just thinking out loud here, wanted to overthrow the US government by force?

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Some Twit In The Philadelphia Inquirer…Sarah Palin’s Probably A White Supremist Or Something, Right?

37 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:49pm

re: #13 MandyManners

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

0bama responds

38 Spider Mensch  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:33:52pm

re: #14 jill e

Note to Matt Damon (from Mickey Kaus): Lots of people like bad Disney movies, and don't like the kind of people who sneer at bad Disney movies.


interesting all these comments from the hollywood left against future vp Palin...lindsay lohan, rosie, that idiot damon, pam anderson, just to name a few....I wouldn't want to be bad mouthing the next VP...she will be Vice President of the United States of America. that pulls alot more weight than a movie actor...these leftist actors really think they're untouchable? hint to all leftards in hollywood...you're not untouchable.

39 rhino2  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:34:08pm

re: #22 joncelli

Slow today. did everybody have a bad weekend?

Not bad, just a rather sleepless one.

40 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #30 Cognito

-375...

Bargain-hunters?

41 cheesehead  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:34:26pm

Milwaukee Brewers manager Ned Yost FIRED with 12 games left in season. Go Packers!

42 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:34:40pm

re: #34 debutaunt

Is that a weasel word? She won't be paid for the session.

How is that a weasel word? This is very plain language:

Editor James Bennet said Greenberg behaved improperly and will not be paid for the session. He said the magazine is also considering a lawsuit.

The session is her work. She's not on staff.

43 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:34:51pm
44 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:34:53pm

re: #30 Cognito

-375...

Do you constantly watch polls as well?

45 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:03pm

Well, the market's down about 400 points today, which is bad, but not on historical terms. AIG got a NYS bailout, which should help matters somewhat over there, but the NYC metro area is going to be smarting from job losses and lost revenues locally.

The bigwigs at the companies will end up doing okay, but most everyone else will be looking for jobs sooner or later and it's going to be a dour holiday season as bonus money simply wont be around.

Right now, the market's operating on speculation and rumor and hysteria about which financial institution may be next, instead of operating on fact and news. Problem is that there isn't much news, and what little there is, isn't all that good. The financial companies are still exposed to subprimes and their balance sheets are in bad shape.

46 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:18pm

AP STAT OF THE DAY:

John McCain leads Barack Obama by 23 points among rural voters and by 13 points with voters age 65 and over, according to an AP-GfK Poll of likely voters.

47 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:28pm

re: #32 MandyManners

He thinks he is.

bbl

Doesn't matter. After Jane Fonda & John Kerry got away with overt aiding & abetting the enemy, almost all bets are off.

48 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:30pm

re: #27 Russkilitlover

It is a Logan Act Violation for 0bama to try and influence the Iraq governmnet:

Logan Act outlawing private diplomacy.

49 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:43pm

re: #38 Spider Mensch

....I wouldn't want to be bad mouthing the next VP...she will be Vice President of the United States of America. that pulls alot more weight than a movie actor...these leftist actors really think they're untouchable? hint to all leftards in hollywood...you're not untouchable.

Um... actually, you can bad mouth the Vice President of the United States in perfect safety. And that's a wonderful thing about this country, really.

50 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #44 debutaunt

Do you constantly watch polls as well?

Only when they measure my tiny (and shrinking) pile o' money.

51 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:02pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

Obama is no longer setting the agenda, he is responding to it.

52 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:10pm

Uh....um....um....uh-uh-uh....you see.....damn! Busted!

53 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:20pm

re: #42 Cognito

The session is her work. She's not on staff.

I just wondered if she will be paid.

54 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:21pm

re: #19 Nevergiveup

OOH, that's gonna leave a mark!

Yes, but on who?

55 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:33pm

re: #53 debutaunt

I just wondered if she will be paid.

No.

56 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #51 Syrah

Obama is no longer setting the agenda, he is responding to it.

Damn those OODA loops! ;)

57 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:07pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

The Greenberg Atlantic cover is just the tip of the iceberg

"[POW] That's for sinking the Titanic!"

58 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:14pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

0bama responds

Now the NY Post is inside BHO's OODA loop.

59 Russkilitlover  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:20pm

re: #52 Russkilitlover

Uh....um....um....uh-uh-uh....you see.....damn! Busted!

Oops! Should be the reply to the Obama response piece in #37.

60 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:26pm

re: #22 joncelli

Slow today. did everybody have a bad weekend?

I had a good weekend. We had two different concerts this weekend, during our crossover between our regular stage show.

Friday it was Don Conoscenti and Kort McCumber.

And on Sat., it was the Nadas (Jason Walsmith and Mike Butterworth ), from Iowa.

Folk, blues, folk-rock is not my favorite music, but I always have a good time working with the musicians and yapping about their careers.

Otherwise, I don't pay to much attention to the show itself. I had a good paperback in the light/sound booth.

Don Conoscenti and Kort McCumber were very talented, but they were so self-absorbed in each others playing, that I think at times they forgot that there was an audience there.

The Nadas had a good connection to the audience, and even live streamed the concert to their webiste.

Different strokes for different artists.

61 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:32pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Bargain hunting will happen tomorrow. Herd mentality (which also apparently includes the trading programs that the houses use). That's how United got slammed last week when an old story made waves about bankruptcy protection - driving the stock down 90% in minutes before it was halted. Once the computer programs start their magic, they run through the progressions. So, tomorrow we'll see buy opportunities in many sectors hit simply because everyone deserved a ding.

62 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:47pm

re: #55 Cognito

No.

The photo made the cover.

63 Joan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:37:54pm

Just a random, awful thought:
Why is Chertoff on deck about hurricane relief and damage?
Makes me wonder if maybe 3 Ambassadors ousted from Marxist S. American nations in 72 hours was a bit of a botched prelude to some type of incursion across our southern border.

Bad as the flooding and damage has been from Ike, it is still generally sensed that it could have been horrifically worse--what an opportune moment to infiltrate, or even invade.

Take a second look at our reactions to this paranoid scenario, because yes, a thing like that could happen. Remember September 11. We are in danger.

64 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:38:02pm

re: #12 Archimedes

Give me a big enough lever and ... They knew simple machines back in the day.

Read an article not long ago. Newly found Archimedes manuscripts, pages and been washed and rewritten, they found the ghost image of the Archimedes under the newer text.

Archimedes was onto the fundamentals of Differential Calculus.

65 J.S.  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:38:09pm

re: #21 taxfreekiller

I think that's a great idea -- but you know what? "The One" changes his positions so frequently, and so quickly, it makes me dizzy. There would have to be minute-by-minute updates to keep track of The Change. Or at least some kind of timeline for when "The One" believed X, then a reference point for when The One issued "the change for X to Y"; then another point for "the change from X to Y to Z"; etc. Guess it could all be mapped out (form some confusing spaghetti strings there)...

66 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:38:50pm

The Atlantic is acting totally appropriately, regarding Greenberg.

Some people -- ahem -- have tried to conflate the magazine's actual portrait with the sick mess the photographer pulled on her own, far from the magazine. That's disingenuous.

No, worse: It's a lie.

67 scathach  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:38:55pm

#38

Maybe they should remember the impact of stupid comments on the Dixie Chicks' income statement.

Just a thought.

68 the phantom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:01pm

Oriana Fallaci
June 29, 1929 - September 15, 2006

Elegy for la Fallaci
By la Figlia d’Emilia

Oriana Fallaci has gone to the grave.
Was ever a woman so noble, so brave?
Her goal, western civilization to save;
La Fallaci would not be a slave.
Fallaci would not be a dhimmified slave
To a death-cult conceived in a cave.

Signora Fallaci is with us no more.
Without her, ’twill be a far lonelier war.
We shall not again hear the lioness roar,
But her spirit forever will soar.
Her body succumbed to the illness she bore,
But her spirit forever will soar.

A daughter of patriots, born to be wild,
She joined the Resistance while still but a child.
Determined to vanquish the Axis reviled,
She would not have her homeland defiled.
A fighter of fascists while still but a child,
Oriana was born to be wild.

She traveled the world on Mercurial wings;
She interviewed dictators, tyrants and kings.
In battle, she suffered the arrows and slings,
And the bullets a battlefield brings.
Fallaci survived many dangerous things,
But her funeral bell finally rings.

Cassandra incarnate, the mantle she wore;
She warned of Islamicist wolves at the door.
She warned that the civilized world, in this war,
Was in peril as never before.
She would not submit, as an infidel-whore,
In this bloodthirsty unholy war.

She strove, with her writing, to brandish a light,
To stave off the looming Eurabian night,
Secure in the knowledge that her war was right;
“Legitimate, dutiful, right.”
The warrior knew that a war can be right.
“Legitimate, dutiful, right.”

Oriana Fallaci was proud to the end,
A passionate voice speaking truth to the wind.
The civilization she fought to defend,
Upon passion and truth does depend.
Her legacy lies in the prose that she penned,
In the luminous prose that she penned.

Farewell, O Fallaci, your time was too brief;
Your character, carved in the boldest relief;
Eternal defiance, your true leitmotif;
And your valor, beyond all belief.
We’ll carry your banner, though stricken with grief,
For a heroine’s life is too brief.

69 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:13pm

re: #62 debutaunt

The photo made the cover.

She won't be paid.

70 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:15pm

re: #48 Ojoe

It is a Logan Act Violation for 0bama to try and influence the Iraq governmnet:

Logan Act outlawing private diplomacy.

Unfortunately for all tense and purpose Logan Act is dead. Charges have only been brought once, and never a court case.

71 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:20pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Bargain hunting will happen tomorrow. Herd mentality (which also apparently includes the trading programs that the houses use). That's how United got slammed last week when an old story made waves about bankruptcy protection - driving the stock down 90% in minutes before it was halted. Once the computer programs start their magic, they run through the progressions. So, tomorrow we'll see buy opportunities in many sectors hit simply because everyone deserved a ding.

Yep. I will be scrapping up some cash. I don't have much, but better to buy in when everything is on sale then to wait for it to go back up, even if it is just a little bit.

72 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:39:31pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Bargain hunting will happen tomorrow.

Just wondering if it's already started... bounced up from -413 to -369 in a matter of two or three minutes.

73 Spider Mensch  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:40:16pm

re: #49 Occasional Reader

Um... actually, you can bad mouth the Vice President of the United States in perfect safety. And that's a wonderful thing about this country, really.


oh yes. and its a great thing, but one lesson that works in business as well as anywhere in life, your comments will come back to haunt you. it would never be in a public forum but things aren't always as they seem..haven't you ever heard of the clinton enemy list? wouldn't want to be on that list, some folks on that list ended up in bad ways. nixons list? he had one too. it does happen...not my place to say if it is good or bad, right or wrong, but it does happen

74 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:40:19pm

re: #7 jcm

I assume you are aware of this?

Chechnya to name street after commander killed in Perm air crash

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

75 Joan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:08pm

re: #7 jcm

Give me an open thread, and I'll move the world.

Charles "Archimedes" Johnson.

:-) cool.

76 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:12pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Just wondering if it's already started... bounced up from -413 to -369 in a matter of two or three minutes.

That was becuase of all the profits made at McDonalds where all the brokers had to eat lunch.

77 scathach  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:13pm

If the Logan Act had any teeth and were ever enforced, Jimmah Catah would be in SuperMax.

78 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:15pm

re: #69 Cognito

She won't be paid.

I don't think she should be paid, but I don't understand how they can use her work and not pay her.

79 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:44pm

re: #78 debutaunt

I don't think she should be paid, but I don't understand how they can use her work and not pay her.

She broke her contract.

I promise you she won't be paid.

80 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:41:51pm

re: #74 Bobibutu

I assume you are aware of this?

Chechnya to name street after commander killed in Perm air crash

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

Interesting.
The info in that crash doesn't add up.

81 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:12pm

Obama attacks McCain on the market. McCain must tie this back to the Congress and the Democrats.

82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:18pm

Richard Wright Dies at 65

Founding member of the seminal British rock band Pink Floyd died in his home Monday after a battle with cancer

83 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:25pm

re: #64 jcm

Read an article not long ago. Newly found Archimedes manuscripts, pages and been washed and rewritten, they found the ghost image of the Archimedes under the newer text.

Archimedes was onto the fundamentals of Differential Calculus.

Cool, is this linkable?

I know that Eudoxus' methods of exhaustion were similar to integral calculus, the idea of dividing an area or volume up into smaller and smaller chunks to get more and more accurate values.

84 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:25pm

re: #77 scathach

If the Logan Act had any teeth and were ever enforced, Jimmah Catah would be in SuperMax.

Please, SuperMax is a respectable prison, we don't want Jimmah in Colorado.

Walter in Golden, Co.

85 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:35pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Right now, the market's operating on speculation and rumor and hysteria about which financial institution may be next, instead of operating on fact and news. Problem is that there isn't much news, and what little there is, isn't all that good. The financial companies are still exposed to subprimes and their balance sheets are in bad shape.

My question is: Where was the adult leadership in the financial industry when all this was going on. I'd pick up some beaten down financial stocks, but which ones are going to turn out to be toxic? It may be a long time before the caterpillar stops dropping shoes.

86 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:50pm

re: #38 Spider Mensch

The hollywood left against future vp Palin... you're not untouchable.

Spider - Have to agree with ya! Failing projects and the lack of financial returns will place a lot of that crowd "at leisure".

Vote with your wallets, watch the entertainment "climate change". I guess it's a case that sometimes "Change is good!"

87 Outrider  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:42:59pm

re: #65 J.S.

I think that's a great idea -- but you know what? "The One" changes his positions so frequently, and so quickly, it makes me dizzy. There would have to be minute-by-minute updates to keep track of The Change. Or at least some kind of timeline for when "The One" believed X, then a reference point for when The One issued "the change for X to Y"; then another point for "the change from X to Y to Z"; etc. Guess it could all be mapped out (form some confusing spaghetti strings there)...

You would end up with a real weird Rube Goldsberg type flow chart.

88 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:43:21pm

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Richard Wright Dies at 65

He has become comfortably numb?

89 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:43:41pm

re: #79 Cognito

She broke her contract.

I promise you she won't be paid.

She got what she wanted and ought to pay them!

90 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:43:57pm

I tell ya this market is murder...even celery stalks are off...

91 Cognito  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:44:41pm

re: #89 debutaunt

She got what she wanted and ought to pay them!

Oh. I daresay she may indeed end up paying them.

92 KibbyKat  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:44:44pm

re: #78 debutaunt

I'm going to guess that they will argue that they were unaware of her comments when this issue using her work went to press and that they would never have used her photos if they had known she broke the contract.

93 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:45:39pm

dear lizards, I am so tired of the logical fallacy inherent in the conventional wisdom regarding media, POTUS and VP debates. Specifically, in the 'gotcha' question category; where media opinion holds that the person who fails knowing the most obscure and abstruse bit of information is the loser, and somehow less qualified to be President or VP.

I have cyberbumped into hundreds of folks who are as well-informed and are as rhetorically skilled in presenting the positions in political issues held by Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin. Thousands more online chatterers could be prepped to win a 'Trivial Pursuit' type debate in a week.

But that doesn't equate to all these folks being suited to hold the highest offices in the land, does it? That's why it's infuriating that so many don't hold the results of the debates in their context, as ONE indicator of administrative intelligence amongst many - the PRIMARY indicator being the person's life history of achievement and character, competence, and the longitudinal success of his/her official accomplishments.

After that analysis of CV, then it is instructive to learn how the candidate handles the pressure of the forum, and how valid his arguments for his political philosophy. But only after seeing how one's political career has actually been managed. Barry, one practical example of the value of your past work would be worth a million of your carefully memorized words.

94 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #88 redstateredneck

He has become comfortably numb?

I remember when the Cardinals were in the World Series a couple of years ago, one of their pitchers was asked how he feels out on the mound, or some such question, and he responded "I feel comfortably numb." My thought was, Pink Floyd fan. Don't know for sure.

95 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:45:59pm

re: #90 Peacekeeper

PK!

96 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:46:01pm
97 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:46:12pm

re: #79 Cognito

She broke her contract.

I promise you she won't be paid.

The editor of Atlantic Monthly said that specifically when interviewed on FNC this morning around 10:30am Eastern. He also indicated that the magazine was considering its legal options for a possible lawsuit.

98 scathach  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:46:14pm

#84

I live in Georgia and we don't want him either. But, if he were in SuperMax, he would have no communication with the outside world and the inability to get the adoration of the Leftards would probably have a detrimental effect on his health. Minimally, not having to listen to his crap would be beneficial for my blood pressure.

99 J.S.  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:47:56pm

re: #58 Son of the Black Dog

And who is this "Wendy Morigi?" I wonder...ah yes, the same one who was asked about why Obama's website was scrubbed of any reference to Obama stating that "the surge is not working" -- all references went down the memory hole..., then Morigi stated (falsely as it turns out): "Campaign aide Wendy Morigi said Obama is 'not softening his criticism of the surge. We regularly update the Web site to reflect changes in current events'” as related here.

100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:48:00pm

Socialist Utopia Update; Military crackdown hushes rebellious Bolivian city

COBIJA, Bolivia: Bolivian troops on Monday started rounding up people accused of organizing protests against leftist President Evo Morales in a remote Amazon province where martial law has shuttered schools and businesses.

Clashes between Morales' supporters and opponents killed up to 30 people in Pando province last week as protests flared across the poor nation's eastern lowlands against the president's drive to redistribute land and change the constitution.

The streets of Pando's small capital, Cobija, were nearly deserted on Monday and protesters demanding greater regional autonomy continued to occupy government agencies, including the customs office.

This is just like when the US fascist Government sent in all those troops to Denver and St. Paul to kill and arrest those protestors there!

///

101 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:48:20pm

re: #91 Cognito

Did you see what Jeffrey Goldberg wrote about her?

Every so often, journalists become deranged at the sight of certain candidates, and lose their bearings

Every so often! LOL. Understatement of the year perhaps?

102 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:48:20pm

Well.....E_O's Biden Watch continues:

The calls for Sen. Obama to dump Biden are starting to get louder and more overt.

It started when the left began speculating as to how long Palin had left on the Republican ticket (obvious projection). Now they're making specific suggestions at HuffPo.

I hope Obama doesn't fall for it, but nothing would surprise me about the left.

103 scathach  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:48:43pm

#96

If you live in Mass., vote for former Delta Force member Jeff Beatty. If you don't send him a check. I doubt Beatty will win, but it would be nice to see a closer race.

104 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:15pm

re: #51 Syrah

Obama is no longer setting the agenda, he is responding to it.

Did this start with the lipstick/pig comment?

I was watching a pundit on t.v. (forget the name) who was saying that regardless of what Obama meant by that, it was a good strategy for the McCain campaign to highlight it as a slight at Palin. The point being that it forced the Obama campaign to spend valuable time (48hrs+) defending/explaining that statement rather than getting out his message/agenda.

105 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:16pm

re: #74 Bobibutu

I assume you are aware of this?

Chechnya to name street after commander killed in Perm air crash

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmm".

106 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:20pm

re: #83 Archimedes

Cool, is this linkable?

I know that Eudoxus' methods of exhaustion were similar to integral calculus, the idea of dividing an area or volume up into smaller and smaller chunks to get more and more accurate values.

Archimedes Palimpsest

Scholars decode ancient text, shake up pre-calculus history

"It has always been thought that modern mathematicians were the first to be able to handle infinitely large sets, and that this was something the Greek mathematicians never attempted to do," Netz writes in an essay on Archimedes published in the Nov. 1 issue of Science magazine. "But in the palimpsest we found Archimedes doing just that. He compared two infinitely large sets and stated that they have an equal number of members. No other extant source for Greek mathematics has that."
107 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:27pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

0bama responds

Nice - so far, every 'spokesperson for the Obama campaign' has never spoken to the facts of an ad, or, here, to the facts of a story, but simply comes out with 'its a lie' all the time.

Feeble.

108 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:35pm
109 Outrider  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:50pm

re: #98 scathach

#84

I live in Georgia and we don't want him either. But, if he were in SuperMax, he would have no communication with the outside world and the inability to get the adoration of the Leftards would probably have a detrimental effect on his health. Minimally, not having to listen to his crap would be beneficial for my blood pressure.

After looking at him at the DNC convention, I'm not sure how much of a detriment anything else could be to his health.

I don't want him in Georgia either.

110 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:49:57pm

re: #93 runrabbitrun

Well said! The single largest predictor of a persons future conduct is their past. Again, again and again, when hiring someone for a job, the HR gurus tell us (correctly) check references! A Tiger does not change their stripes, nor a leopard change their spots.

111 Dave the.....  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:06pm
The editor of Atlantic Monthly said that specifically when interviewed on FNC this morning around 10:30am Eastern. He also indicated that the magazine was considering its legal options for a possible lawsuit.

It's be like if I leased a building to sell hardware. The lease says I can sell hardware, but not liquor or fireworks. I sell hardware, liquor and fireworks. The landlord says he is kicking me out and suing for damages. I say "but I sold what the lease said I could...hardware". But I also did things not allowed. So the whole contract could be void.

Would that be a proper analogy. The lady took the photo as contracted, but she also used the time, paid for by the Atlantic, to do nasty political work.

112 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:07pm

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

Well.....E_O's Biden Watch continues:

The calls for Sen. Obama to dump Biden are starting to get louder and more overt.

It started when the left began speculating as to how long Palin had left on the Republican ticket (obvious projection). Now they're making specific suggestions at HuffPo.

I hope Obama doesn't fall for it, but nothing would surprise me about the left.


The Clintons would know how to handle this, if you get my drift.

113 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:12pm

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

I doubt it would make a real difference. Changing the Veep at this point would also likely backfire against Barry since it provides loads of ammo for McCain / Palin that Barry is so inexperienced that he can't even pick his running mate properly.

114 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:24pm

re: #99 J.S.

We regularly update the Web site to reflect changes in current events'” as related here.


Hee hee...change.

115 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:50:37pm

re: #80 jcm

Interesting.
The info in that crash doesn't add up.

Rgr ... and Troshev was getting political. Ah, we'll probably never know.

116 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:02pm

re: #18 Ojoe

I really liked the Victorian submarine in Disney's "20,000 Leagues under the Sea".
Victorian Submarine

I'm a fan of Jules Verne scifi. He was what I'd call a real SCIENCE fiction author, since he made plausible machines many of which were actualized in the future. Lots of scifi authors are really doing science fantasy, rather than applying real science.

117 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:16pm

re: #95 WriterMom

PK!

{Meritworm}!

118 scathach  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:51:34pm

#109

And yet, he continues to "pontificate" making an ass of himself and generally being a detriment to fee peoples everywhere.

119 Maximu§  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:52:05pm

Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies at 65


Aw Man, could this day get any worse?

120 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:52:07pm

re: #105 Son of the Black Dog

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmm".

Russian says "engine failure." Witness say it went down like a comet. Radar and com at the same time before impact. That doesn't ad up.

121 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:52:51pm

re: #21 taxfreekiller

Don't leave out this sort of thing!

122 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:53:08pm

re: #113 Athos

I doubt it would make a real difference. Changing the Veep at this point would also likely backfire against Barry since it provides loads of ammo for McCain / Palin that Barry is so inexperienced that he can't even pick his running mate properly.

I think that the proof statement is that Biden's son has resigned as a lobyist. Part of the Barry strategy is that McCain advisers are lobyists.
They pretty much are stuck with Biden, unless he slips in the shower.

123 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:53:42pm

re: #70 jcm

re: #77 scathach

Ah yes, but the President takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution which says that the President " shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"

Article 2, Section 3.

What is going on here?

124 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:53:43pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

I'd have to check, but that could happen with a move on a single Dow 30 stock, like GE or MSFT. Most of the Dow losses come because AIG and BoA and Citigroup make up a big chunk of the financial sector covered.

There's weightings involved, but AIG is down 50%+ on the day. Only Coca Cola is showing positive today among the Dow 30.

And if AIG goes South, watch for the Dow to replace it with another company shortly.

125 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:12pm

re: #122 opnion

......unless he slips in the shower.

Don't plugs fall out in the shower?
/

126 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:27pm

re: #105 Son of the Black Dog

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmm".

Kinda up there with Ron Brown. But tin foil is much easier when Putin is on the planet.

127 vagabond trader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:34pm

Help, whimper,sniffle; withdrawals setting in. Would an astute lizard be able to tell me why my new pc will not allow me to download Adobe?

128 UFO TOFU  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:35pm

Old news, but maybe Willie understands Gov. Palin.

129 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:35pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Just wondering if it's already started... bounced up from -413 to -369 in a matter of two or three minutes.

"Never mind!"

/Emily Litella voice

(Dow now off 444... pass the Lemon Pledge)

130 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:40pm

re: #18 Ojoe

That was a cool movie when I was a kid & I showed to my kids just after we got our first VHS tape-player.

131 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:42pm

re: #120 jcm

Catastrophic engine failure that damaged wing and fuel tanks? I'm thinking ingestion of something or a fault that caused the engine to explode?

132 SummerSong  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:54:58pm

damn, close the market already.

133 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:27pm
134 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:37pm

re: #125 jcm

Don't plugs fall out in the shower?
/

Yeah, but that's just a cosmetic thing & the Mens Hair Club is still solid for Biden.

135 Outrider  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:54pm

re: #118 scathach

#109

And yet, he continues to "pontificate" making an ass of himself and generally being a detriment to fee peoples everywhere.

Hard to change a lifetime of bad habits. He has been a first class idiot for some 40 odd years that I know of. Years back, I thought he was a good man working way out of his league. Over the years I became convinced he was a not so good man, with hidden agendas, that was working out of his league.

136 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:55:54pm

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

Well.....E_O's Biden Watch continues:

The calls for Sen. Obama to dump Biden are starting to get louder and more overt.

It started when the left began speculating as to how long Palin had left on the Republican ticket (obvious projection). Now they're making specific suggestions at HuffPo.

I hope Obama doesn't fall for it, but nothing would surprise me about the left.

If Barry puts the former Pres and Hillary on his ticket, his administration would be a 3-POTUS media circus, with the press running to quote Bill & Hill as often (or more) than they would Obama. Not to mention the dirty tricks and scandals they would invite, with their truckload of goons and diehard supporters tagging along. I think that Barry would rather wait a few years to run again, than share the office in a ... um, three-way now.

137 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:06pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

The point being that it forced the Obama campaign to spend valuable time (48hrs+) defending/explaining that statement rather than getting out his message/agenda.

:)

138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:14pm

re: #119 Maximu§

Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies at 65

Aw Man, could this day get any worse?

John had just won first prize at a cat show and had received a 10-day cruise to the Puerto Rico. The catch was, though, pets weren't allowed on the cruise. So John decided to leave his cat with his brother, Al.

The next day, John phoned Al on his cell phone and asked, "How are things?" To which Al responded, "Things are fine."

"How's Mom?"

"Mom's fine."

"How's the cat?"

"The cat's fine." Satisfied, John hung up.


Next day, John called Al again, asking the same questions.

"How are things?"

"Things are fine."

"How's Mom?"

"Mom's fine."

"How's the cat?"

"The cat's DEAD."

"WHAT?!?" John was quite distressed. "How could you let it die? It was my prize cat!"

"Well, John, I'm sorry, but I couldn't do anything, I didn't see it. But what I think happened was that the cat was on the roof, fell off, and broke his leg. Then, he hobbled out into the road, and got run over."

John was cooling down a bit now, and said, "Well, couldn't you have tried to break it to me over time? You could have said it bit by bit. For example, you could have first said 'The cat's on the roof', then the next day said 'The cat fell off the roof, and broke its leg', see what I'm saying."

"Yeah, yeah, I get it. See you later, John."

"Ok... bye." John hung up.

The next day, John phoned Al again.

"How are things?"

"Things are fine."

"How's Mom?"

"Umh," Al said, "Mom's on the roof."

139 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:26pm

re: #132 SummerSong

damn, close the market already.

Nah. This is a very bad day, but not a "close the market early" day.

140 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:37pm

re: #136 runrabbitrun

If Barry puts the former Pres and Hillary on his ticket, his administration would be a 3-POTUS media circus, with the press running to quote Bill & Hill as often (or more) than they would Obama. Not to mention the dirty tricks and scandals they would invite, with their truckload of goons and diehard supporters tagging along. I think that Barry would rather wait a few years to run again, than share the office in a ... um, three-way now.

Actually, I don't think Obama's ego would allow Hillary in the VP slot. As you point out, it'd be all Hillary and Bill all the time. Obama would end up as the defacto VP.

141 scathach  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:42pm

#123 Ojoe

The Logan Act is not enforced because winning a case is virtually impossible with the statute as written, thus the U.S. Attorney will not charge someone - to do so would be a large waste of money.

142 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:57:58pm
143 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:01pm

re: #47 opnion

Doesn't matter. After Jane Fonda & John Kerry got away with overt aiding & abetting the enemy, almost all bets are off.

And links The New York Post articles will be about as effective this time around, too.

/bummed out.

144 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:07pm

re: #123 Ojoe

re: #77 scathach

Ah yes, but the President takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution which says that the President " shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"

Article 2, Section 3.

What is going on here?

Law when written legislatively, then has to be tested in the courts becoming case law, proving it's Constitutional correct. Logan has never been "proven" in court and run up through the appeals courts to iron it out.

No prosecutor would take a century old, un-proven law into court against a high profile defendant. To many pitfalls.

That is what it is, not commenting the right or wrong of it, just what it is.

A century old law that's never been used is effectively not a law.

146 opnion  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:29pm

re: #140 eschew_obfuscation

Actually, I don't think Obama's ego would allow Hillary in the VP slot. As you point out, it'd be all Hillary and Bill all the time. Obama would end up as the defacto VP.


So he wouldn't set polisah?

147 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:52pm

re: #117 Peacekeeper

Haven't seen much of you lately. Real life and work interfering with blog life?

148 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:58:55pm

Anyone here look into the post from sourcewatch.org stating Taheri is less than truthful himself? I am going to look at a few things, but if its already been done...

149 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:59:09pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

Did this start with the lipstick/pig comment?

I was watching a pundit on t.v. (forget the name) who was saying that regardless of what Obama meant by that, it was a good strategy for the McCain campaign to highlight it as a slight at Palin. The point being that it forced the Obama campaign to spend valuable time (48hrs+) defending/explaining that statement rather than getting out his message/agenda.

It started with McCain introducing Palin as his running mate. It poleaxed the Obama campaign and his supporters.

They should have seen it coming, at least the possibility of it, but they did not.

From that point forward, they have have done nothing but look like fools, kooks and back peddlers.

150 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:59:41pm

re: #81 lifeofthemind

Obama attacks McCain on the market. McCain must tie this back to the Congress and the Democrats.

Yeah well - neocommunists like B0 (and others, in other countries ...) always cry doom and gloom when financial markets are in trouble - and make this trouble worse by panicking their citizens.
Happened here in the UK about a year ago.

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy - and McCain just needs to hammer home the fact that the dems in congress caused this.

Lefties and liberal fascists thrive on a crisis, they like nothing better than a crisis becasue they can rollout their increased governemnt programs.

Conservatives roll up their sleeves and get on with things.

151 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 12:59:53pm

re: #127 vagabond trader

Oh sure...

BECAUSE IT HATES YOUR GUTS.

/I have no clue

152 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:00:03pm

re: #113 Athos

I doubt it would make a real difference. Changing the Veep at this point would also likely backfire against Barry since it provides loads of ammo for McCain / Palin that Barry is so inexperienced that he can't even pick his running mate properly.

And no guarantee that the Hildebeast would accept a VP offer. She's waitin' for the 2012 spot cause Berry's gonna lose.

153 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:00:33pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

It started with the Palin pick.

154 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:00:51pm

re: #150 yma o hyd

Lefties and liberal fascists thrive on a crisis, they like nothing better than a crisis becasue they can rollout their increased governemnt programs.

You are so right about this. Global warming "crisis", the "crisis" of this and that. Everything is a crisis situation for them.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:01:39pm

So, what does the Lehman Brothers thing mean to foreign investors?

There a Chinese or Saudi having a "freak out"?

156 Thanos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:01:40pm

re: #148 ArmyWife

Anyone here look into the post from sourcewatch.org stating Taheri is less than truthful himself? I am going to look at a few things, but if its already been done...

Taheri is generally factual, it's his spin that you have to watch. I've called him out in the past for not liking the word "terrorism".

157 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:01:42pm
158 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:02:46pm

re: #148 ArmyWife

Are you talking about what showed up in the NY Post? I saw that via Power Line. Have you guys already run that one to ground?

159 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:03:00pm
160 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:03:09pm

re: #119 Maximu§

Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies at 65
Aw Man, could this day get any worse?

Ah, I spent the night in a Holiday Inn Express?

/

161 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:03:23pm

re: #148 ArmyWife

Amir does have some history of less than credible reports - however, I think that the difference here is that the Iraqi Foreign Minister is on the record in the column. I haven't heard any release from the Minister that Amir is misquoting or misattributing him - but this might not, at this point, be a big enough issue to garner a comment from Baghdad.

What Obama is accused of doing is not new at all for the 'modern' (post 1968) Democrat party. There is a history of a number of Dems / Dem supporters choosing party / personal interests over those of country....

I doubt much of the MSM will even investigate this to see if it is a viable story......given the candidate involved. Now, if the parties were reversed....

162 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:03:47pm

re: #131 Athos

Catastrophic engine failure that damaged wing and fuel tanks? I'm thinking ingestion of something or a fault that caused the engine to explode?

Even that would leave the comms and transponder up while it went down. They pilots could have gotten out a mayday.

In catastrophic engine failures, engines are designed to separate from the wing to prevent that.

163 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:03:52pm

re: #127 vagabond trader

Help, whimper,sniffle; withdrawals setting in. Would an astute lizard be able to tell me why my new pc will not allow me to download Adobe?


You must not have administrative rights..are you using Vista or XP?

164 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:04:07pm

re: #149 Syrah

It started with McCain introducing Palin as his running mate. It poleaxed the Obama campaign and his supporters.

They should have seen it coming, at least the possibility of it, but they did not.

From that point forward, they have have done nothing but look like fools, kooks and back peddlers.

I should have kept reading. They couldn't see Palin coming- she wasn't even on their list of people to prepare themselves for, and ever since then they've been at a loss for how to deal with what was for them the unforeseen.

And that 0bama and his people can't seem to deal with the unforeseen pretty much should show all Americans this guy should never see the Oval Office- ever.

165 Dianna  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:04:14pm

re: #154 WriterMom

There's no crisis, just another tricky day.

To mangle the Who.

166 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:04:34pm

re: #149 Syrah

re: #153 Sharmuta

I think you're both right. I think the lipstick/pig comment just amplified it. "0" is on the defensive, and (thankfully) not doing that very well.

167 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:05:10pm

re: #145 rose4421

Britain Adopts Islamic Law, Gives Sharia Courts Full Power to Rule on Civil Cases

Very slippery sloop. Very bad idea. Remind me to never go to Britain again.

168 Pshawalaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:05:12pm

re: #119 Maximu§
Youtube- Richard Wright Documentary

169 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:05:33pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

His response blows. This ain't an agreement that Congress could or should have any interest in manipulating. This is an agreement between the government of Iraq and our government. That the obamessiah is confused about such matters means he shoulda kept his big yap shut.

170 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:05:48pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

... that 0bama and his people can't seem to deal with the unforeseen pretty much should show all Americans this guy should never see the Oval Office- ever.

Nicely said.

171 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:05:55pm

re: #167 midwestgak

Very slippery sloop.

I think yawl are right about that.

172 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:05:59pm
173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:06:26pm

re: #157 buzzsawmonkey

Buzzsaw? Never heard the "bricks without straw" before (with the exception of "The Ten Commandments".

"I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille." The Waco Kid

174 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:06:32pm

re: #162 jcm

Under normal circumstances - but shrapnel from the engine, like turbine blades, can do to the wing the same thing that tire debris did to the Air France Concorde that went down outside of Paris. Just thinking out loud as I hadn't heard that all comm and transponder info went dead prior to the crash.....

175 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:06:33pm

Into the Obama Tank for the Final Push

We cannot let this happen!

177 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:07:23pm
178 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:08:04pm

re: #85 Son of the Black Dog

My question is: Where was the adult leadership in the financial industry when all this was going on. I'd pick up some beaten down financial stocks, but which ones are going to turn out to be toxic? It may be a long time before the caterpillar stops dropping shoes.

They were investigating steroids in baseball.

179 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:08:56pm

re: #170 unreconstructed rebel

Thank you.

180 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:08:57pm

RIP Richard Wright.

Off to the Great Gig in the Sky

181 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:09:09pm

Interesting local color, I had my windows open this morning and I could not help but notice the sound of motorcycles, Harleys, hundreds and hundreds of them.

It was the funeral for this guy.

182 J.S.  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:09:12pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I heard that around 4,000 + (?) Lehmen employees in London could be let go -- they've lost their jobs...

183 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:09:22pm
184 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:09:41pm

re: #174 Athos

Under normal circumstances - but shrapnel from the engine, like turbine blades, can do to the wing the same thing that tire debris did to the Air France Concorde that went down outside of Paris. Just thinking out loud as I hadn't heard that all comm and transponder info went dead prior to the crash.....

It's possible, of course. Just given who was on board and the info I've seen it doesn't quite add up.

185 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:09:56pm

re: #169 Cap'n DOC

But, he could not help trying to obfuscate the issue -

This article bears as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.

186 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:10:20pm
187 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:10:38pm

I received a Pre-Release 1 hr. DVD edition of the movie "Obsession" in Saturday's mail. It comes completely unsolicited, which is fine by me. I am wondering if they were distributed to every residence in my mid to upper income chattering class zip code. I honestly don't need the info it provides, though the Liberals and other Run of the Public Education Mill Ostriches around me sure could use the edification it can provide.

It is being distributed by The Clarion Fund. It has no address label and was attached to a glossy promo mailer card. It came wrapped around my daily rubber banded bundle of mail. I only hope that this is being distributed to many other similar zips in metropolitan areas around the country as a targeted information saturation campaign, and is not something I received as a result of some data mining/mass mailing effort to people who subscribe to certain publications. Again, it is not I that need this DVD, it is the willfully uniformed and generally ignorant that do.

Has anyone else received anything similar from The Clarion Fund?

188 Alaska Kim  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:10:40pm

Hi. Have you guys read the adn.com story about Palin using her Blackberries all the time? Interesting read.....

189 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:10:51pm

re: #146 opnion

So he wouldn't set polisah?

Well, I'm just speculating, but I think he's a Soros sock puppet already. He would be the front man and the official executive, but I'd bet the decisions and policy would be made elsewhere.

190 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:10:57pm

re: #136 runrabbitrun

On top of that, someone would be liable to dig up ol' (RIP) van Winkle Paw from among the mysteriously dead and buried. Can't have that, can we?

191 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:11:35pm

re: #175 Typicalwhitey

Linky sicky.

192 kansas  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:12:02pm

re: #119 Maximu§

Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies at 65


Aw Man, could this day get any worse?

Dow is now down 500. Does that count for worse?

193 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:12:17pm

re: #183 jwb7605

Thanks!
Sometimes my links have a double http://
Don't know why.

194 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:12:27pm

re: #157 buzzsawmonkey

Not being able to download Adobe! That's just bricks without straw!

You sound like you have feet of clay. There's mortar this than meets the eye.

195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:12:35pm

re: #188 Alaska Kim

Hi. Have you guys read the adn.com story about Palin using her Blackberries all the time? Interesting read.....

Racist! They're "Berries of Color".

196 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:13:32pm
197 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:13:59pm

re: #192 kansas

Dow is now down 500. Does that count for worse?

Its only worse if you sell.

Good time to buy.

198 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:06pm

re: #178 DeafDog

They were investigating steroids in baseball.

Yeah, interesting what Congress's priorities are.

199 Alaska Kim  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:19pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Racist! They're "Berries of Color".

One of my favorite bloggers calls them "Crackberries" because people are constantly using them. I thought that was funny!

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:22pm

re: #194 Occasional Reader

Oh No! Groan!

(heh)

201 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:33pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LMAO! First pic in a Palin slide show

LOL! That's great!

202 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:35pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LMAO! First pic in a Palin slide show

Love it!

203 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:38pm

The King walked through his village. All was peaceful. All was quiet. Every house had a fresh coat of paint. Every chimney glowed from the warm fire within. Every pot had a chicken in it and every child had put their toys away before doing homework.

The King entered his palace and went into the council chamber where his wisest and most loyal lords were waiting for him. He placed both hands on the table and ran a regal eye over them all then spoke, "We face a crisis."

204 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:41pm

UH OH

It's late afternoon Punny Hour at LFG?

205 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:52pm

re: #199 Alaska Kim

One of my favorite bloggers calls them "Crackberries" because people are constantly using them. I thought that was funny!

It's not original. People have been calling them "crackberries" for years.

206 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:14:54pm

Here's another one. Got Lipstick?

207 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:15:17pm

re: #154 WriterMom

You are so right about this. Global warming "crisis", the "crisis" of this and that. Everything is a crisis situation for them.

I've only followed Jonah Goldberg's arguments and drawn them out to the present time.
Thats why I think his book ('Liberal Fascism') is so important - what happens right now illustrates what he said when he wrote that book about a year or so ago.
I'm still amazed by his perspicacy.

208 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #171 Moe Katz

I think yawl are right about that.

What are you barqing about?

209 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:15:39pm

St. Pancakes alma mater in the news............

Fires at Evergreen State College likely intentionally set

Arson is believed to be the cause of two early morning fires on The Evergreen State College campus in Olympia, Wash.

Sunday's blazes caused an estimated $35,000 in damage; $30,000 at the college's organic farm and $5,000 to five dumpsters.

The first fire was reported at about 2 a.m. and engulfed the five dumpsters in a residential housing area. The second fire was reported about 4:20 a.m. by a neighbor who saw smoke and flames. It destroyed a tool shed and greenhouse at the organic farm.

Save the earth! Stop organic farming?
/

210 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:15:40pm

re: #193 Typicalwhitey

Thanks!
Sometimes my links have a double http://
Don't know why.

There's always a default "h t t p / /" when you click the link icon ... if that doesn't get over-written, that's what does it.

211 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:16:00pm
212 looking closely  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:16:14pm

re: #111 Dave the.....

It's be like if I leased a building to sell hardware. The lease says I can sell hardware, but not liquor or fireworks. I sell hardware, liquor and fireworks. The landlord says he is kicking me out and suing for damages. I say "but I sold what the lease said I could...hardware". But I also did things not allowed. So the whole contract could be void.

Would that be a proper analogy. The lady took the photo as contracted, but she also used the time, paid for by the Atlantic, to do nasty political work.


McCain showed up there to be photographed and interviewed based on the reputation of Atlantic magazine.

Imagine showing up at Georgio's restaurant and having a waiter dump a bowl of soup on your head. It may not have been Georgio's fault personally, but it certainly reflects badly on him, and he's ultimately responsible.

This photog, meanwhile, was hired to do a job, not to inject her personal feelings into the photo shoot. Even if she hated McCain's guts (and clearly she did), she still should have taken the best possible pictures of him for her employer. Taking extra "bad" ones for her personal portfolio was totally inappropriate.

Further, she may not have had the legal right to use said photos on her own website.

I don't know exactly what the contract between her and Atlantic specified, but its extremely likely that Atlantic (and not this photog) owned the copyright to unused images from the photo shoot.

213 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:16:53pm

re: #203 lifeofthemind

The King walked through his village. All was peaceful. All was quiet. Every house had a fresh coat of paint. Every chimney glowed from the warm fire within. Every pot had a chicken in it and every child had put their toys away before doing homework.

The King entered his palace and went into the council chamber where his wisest and most loyal lords were waiting for him. He placed both hands on the table and ran a regal eye over them all then spoke, "We face a crisis."

Isn't that the truth! When I head the Obama strategist on NPR say "The McCain plan of lower taxes and smaller government is a job killer, not a job maker," I thought, yeah it might kill your job! These people and their plans are beyond useless.

214 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:16:58pm

re: #174 Athos

Under normal circumstances - but shrapnel from the engine, like turbine blades, can do to the wing the same thing that tire debris did to the Air France Concorde that went down outside of Paris. Just thinking out loud as I hadn't heard that all comm and transponder info went dead prior to the crash.....

Modern engines shouldn't have such catastrophic failure, but we don't know if they were really using Western parts and maintenance standards.

215 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:01pm

re: #209 jcm

St. Pancakes alma mater in the news............

Fires at Evergreen State College likely intentionally set


Save the earth! Stop organic farming?
/

Practice for who-knows-what. Their alumni have helped terrorists smuggle weapons and killed cops, what's next? Truck bombs? Shooting Republicans?

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:07pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

BHO is so screwed.

217 Alaska Kim  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:11pm

re: #205 Occasional Reader

It's not original. People have been calling them "crackberries" for years.

Well, by living in Alaska, and not owning a cell phone or a Blackberry, it's safe to say I don't get out much! I had never heard "crackberry" before.

218 turn  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:15pm

Has this post digressed to a boob thread yet?

This is just a quick drive by post but I wanted to encourage all you lizards to try and catch the history channel's "102 minutes that changed America"

[Link: www.history.com...]

Me and my youngest turnspawn were clicking around on the tube last night and caught the very start of it. Absolutely mesmerizing, not for the feint of heart (it kept replaying in my mind when I slept last night.) It was followed up with brief interviews with some of the eyewitnesses who caught the video. If you see that you'll definitely never forget.

219 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:19pm

What? We have a new verb in the lexicon?

to lipstick

/heading for cover

220 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:21pm

re: #207 yma o hyd

Yes-I just read it. His analysis is right on. Practically everything that comes out of Hilary's mouth is crisis talk. He's very funny. I have to admit though-I was reading a P.J O'Rourke book right after, and there were several PJ nuggets that it appeared Jonah 'liberated'. Like about "It Takes A Village" coming from the ancient tribal African village of Hallmarkonia (or something like that).

221 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:17:27pm

re: #198 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, interesting what Congress's priorities are.

They had to do something when not having 45 votes on cutting off funding and mandating surrender in Iraq.

222 Dianna  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:10pm

re: #187 Ackomanyuki

I got it through the Chronicle of Higher Education last week. Someone else mentioned getting it through one of their subscriptions - National Review? - and I heard from a friend in Chicago that she got it through the mail.

223 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:18pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

Man! It's gone viral!

Can we tell BHO to lip-stick it where the sun don't shine? Sideways even?

224 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:21pm

re: #188 Alaska Kim

Hi. Have you guys read the adn.com story about Palin using her Blackberries all the time? Interesting read.....

Haven't read anything but saw in some photos of her. She has two Blackberries on the table and she was going back and forth with them as she was also conversing with her daughter. Simply impressive.

225 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:26pm
226 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:31pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

Here's another one. Got Lipstick?


Click to picture 25

227 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:18:51pm
228 seekeroftruth  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:19:04pm

re: #187 Ackomanyuki

I received the Obession dvd last week in the mail. Several other folks here got it in the mail too. And I saw that over the weekend, lots of folks got the dvd as an insert in their newspapers. Interesting way of getting the film out into the public.

229 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:19:10pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LMAO! First pic in a Palin slide show

Surprising number of good pictures. Even the ankle shot. The camera loves that woman.

230 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:19:19pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

Here's another one. Got Lipstick?

Gotta say - she has a very attractive husband and wears killer shoes.

231 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:19:43pm

Can this be real?

232 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:19:48pm

re: #178 DeafDog

Why would anybody put steroids into the baseballs?
Isn't it meant to go into human bodies?

(Sorrreee - couldn't resist!)

233 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:20:04pm

re: #229 Syrah

Surprising number of good pictures. Even the ankle shot. The camera loves that woman.

I ♥ her too.

234 williwonka  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:20:58pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

“One of the nice things about this situation is people can look at the cover shot and make their own determination about whether or not it is fair to John McCain. I believe very strongly that it is,” Bennet said."

Fake but fair?

235 willowone  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:11pm

Is Mandy here? if so [Link: news.yahoo.com...] from women to women! goooo palin! a time of fun in a serious world

236 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:18pm

re: #193 Typicalwhitey

I maybe do. When you click on the link button and prepare to paste in the link, make certain that you click on the existing http:// otherwise if you click next to it, it will leave the original there.

237 Vergeltung  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:28pm

re: #217 Alaska Kim

Well, by living in Alaska, and not owning a cell phone or a Blackberry, it's safe to say I don't get out much! I had never heard "crackberry" before.

I don't own a cell phone either....I don't miss it at all.

238 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:30pm

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

Click to picture 25

That just shows everything.

239 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:39pm

re: #225 Sharmuta

Check out the caption for this pic:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain attends the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Sylvania 300 at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in Loudon. McCain and Sarah Palin stand accused of trying to "lie" their way into the White House with discredited claims and advertising -- and it's not just outgunned Democrats crying foul.

WTF does that have to do with the picture, AP?

240 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:40pm

re: #193 Typicalwhitey

Thanks!
Sometimes my links have a double http://
Don't know why.

If you cut and paste the link from an address bar, it starts with http://
The link dialog box adds its own. Leave that one highlighted when you paste, and it gets replaced by the entire link. If you click after it first, the link you paste gets added to the end.

241 Dianna  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:40pm

re: #209 jcm

St. Pancakes alma mater in the news............

Fires at Evergreen State College likely intentionally set

Save the earth! Stop organic farming?
/

Considering that it will take 3 times the land under cultivation to go completely organic, that's actually a sensible cry.

242 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:54pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LMAO! First pic in a Palin slide show

Put your lipstick in the air...now wave it like you just don't care!

243 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:21:57pm

re: #230 Intrepid

Gotta say - she has a very attractive husband and wears killer shoes.

He looks so proud of her.

244 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:12pm

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

Awwww. He is still totally ga-ga for her!

245 Alouette  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:17pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

Here's another one. Got Lipstick?

Got shoes?

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:28pm

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

You know, I'm comfortable enough with my masculinity to say, "Gosh, he is a handsome man!"

247 onslow  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:31pm

San Tropez. Wright on piano.

248 Alaska Kim  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:22:37pm

re: #237 Vergeltung

I don't own a cell phone either....I don't miss it at all.

Me either! Getting rid of that thing (and the monthly bill) was almost liberating.

249 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:23:10pm

Somebody tell me this is a fake...

250 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:23:23pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

I ♥ her too.

A long time ago when I was a portrait photographer, I would occasionally have clients who for some magical reason could not take a bad picture. It think she might be one of them.

All that Obama had was a golden voice and good looks. Palin has that, and much more. Palin wins.

251 Athos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:23:58pm

re: #239 Fat Jolly Penguin

Check out the caption for this pic:

WTF does that have to do with the picture, AP?

WTF does the AP have to do with the facts? This is the same organization that employs terrorist stringers, accepted photoshopped pics, and has a number of beat writers that cannot distance their opinions from their news reporting.

252 VMA211Dan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:05pm

re: #187 Ackomanyuki

I received a Pre-Release 1 hr. DVD edition of the movie "Obsession" in Saturday's mail. It comes completely unsolicited, which is fine by me. I am wondering if they were distributed to every residence in my mid to upper income chattering class zip code. I honestly don't need the info it provides, though the Liberals and other Run of the Public Education Mill Ostriches around me sure could use the edification it can provide.

It is being distributed by The Clarion Fund. It has no address label and was attached to a glossy promo mailer card. It came wrapped around my daily rubber banded bundle of mail. I only hope that this is being distributed to many other similar zips in metropolitan areas around the country as a targeted information saturation campaign, and is not something I received as a result of some data mining/mass mailing effort to people who subscribe to certain publications. Again, it is not I that need this DVD, it is the willfully uniformed and generally ignorant that do.

Has anyone else received anything similar from The Clarion Fund?

Yup. Received DVD in Ft. Myers News-Press Sunday. Haven't watched it yet but I know the dangers of islamic extremism. Maybe check it out later when bored completely out of my mind.(often)

253 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:18pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper

Why? What's the problem with that site?

254 runrabbitrun  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:21pm

re: #190 Cap'n DOC

On top of that, someone would be liable to dig up ol' (RIP) van Winkle Paw from among the mysteriously dead and buried. Can't have that, can we?

With the arrogant DNC sniffing that Mac took a huge chance choosing Palin for the RNC ticket, they must have some idea what a chance they themselves would be taking if they fake up some excuse for the resignation of Biden.

The Obama organization's first major political decision, and the nation is aware, regardless the fiction, that they had to arrange a do-over? What a McCain ad that would make against choosing those same hands to be on the red button.

255 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:35pm

Wow, a lot of serious stuff here for an open thread.

/I should do something about that ;)re: #218 turn


My 18 yo son watched it the other night. There were videos and photos that he hadn't seen before, and he said it really made a big impression on him. He also highly recommends it.

256 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:52pm

re: #250 Syrah

A long time ago when I was a portrait photographer, I would occasionally have clients who for some magical reason could not take a bad picture. It think she might be one of them.

All that Obama had was a golden voice and good looks. Palin has that, and much more. Palin wins.

She stole his celebrity mojo. His OODA loop still hasn't recovered.

257 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:56pm
258 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:24:58pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

Man! It's gone viral!

Amazing that a little thing of lipstick from an Obama gaffe could be such a potent symbol for this election.

Obama/Biden just keeps giving the McCain/Palin camp more ammo.

259 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:17pm

Okay, ladies. Now that you have your lipsticks out, just what does the shape say about you?

260 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:18pm

Here's a really nice piece:

Your Brother Is A Blessing

261 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:24pm

re: #219 unreconstructed rebel

Whomever said that originally deserves big dings. I like it.

262 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:43pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper

Somebody tell me this is a fake...

There's already been cases of fraud in Michigan (ACORN) and Virginia (ACORN like group) with duplicate voter registrations. Every precinct is going to have to do massive checks on the voter rolls.

263 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:44pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper

Somebody tell me this is a fake...

It's not. If you follow the "Register to Vote" link on Obama's home page, that's the website it takes you to.

264 willowone  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:51pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper wow! oh boy.

265 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:25:55pm

re: #258 Honorary Yooper

Amazing that a little thing of lipstick from an Obama gaffe could be such a potent symbol for this election.

Obama/Biden just keeps giving the McCain/Palin camp more ammo.

Indeed.

266 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:26:12pm

re: #259 redstateredneck

Ohgimmmmeabreak!

267 willowone  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:26:21pm

re: #262 Intrepid
and michigan, ohio

268 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:26:22pm
269 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:26:33pm

re: #253 WriterMom

You can actually register and vote (absentee) from your keyboard? The potential for abuse staggers my imagination.

270 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:26:42pm

re: #231 Peacekeeper

Can this be real?

Looks like a phishing scheme to me......
To much info required, when you just have to ask which State and point to that State's voter reg page.

271 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:26:56pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper

Somebody tell me this is a fake...

Did you post the whole link?

When I click on the 'Get Started' button, it links to the current page....

If that's it.....I think a certain webmaster needs to be spanked!

272 Steve  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:01pm

Oh the heck with it.

Perry the Platypus for President.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

273 willowone  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:19pm

re: #259 redstateredneck

i'm a wild berry rounded tip

274 VMA211Dan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #214 Kosh's Shadow

Modern engines shouldn't have such catastrophic failure, but we don't know if they were really using Western parts and maintenance standards.


Exactly. These new generation engines(especially the large new turbo-fans i.e. GE) can take almost anything thrown into them without taking out the aircraft. I've seen frozen birds shot out of cannons at them with minimal damage.

275 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:32pm

re: #269 Peacekeeper

Whoa!

How could that be possible?

/maybe I should register

276 Archimedes  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:52pm

re: #106 jcm

Sorry for the late response, I got caught up in unimportant things, like work. :D

Thanks for the links. That was an enjoyable read.

Just one more thing to add to Archimedes' resume.

277 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:55pm

re: #255 gop_patriot

Wow, a lot of serious stuff here for an open thread.

/I should do something about that ;)

Ard Lass...LOL!

278 Cygnus  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:27:56pm

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

Well.....E_O's Biden Watch continues:

The calls for Sen. Obama to dump Biden are starting to get louder and more overt.

It started when the left began speculating as to how long Palin had left on the Republican ticket (obvious projection). Now they're making specific suggestions at HuffPo.

I hope Obama doesn't fall for it, but nothing would surprise me about the left.

It would be fun, though. Hillary vs. Palin would be a real cat fight!

279 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:28:05pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

Man! It's gone viral!

Now might be a good time to invest in make-up companies.

/or not, I really don't know much about investing

280 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:28:08pm

re: #263 Fat Jolly Penguin

Maybe I'm old fashioned and senile but this shouldn't be allowed.

281 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:28:12pm

re: #222 Dianna

I got it through the Chronicle of Higher Education last week. Someone else mentioned getting it through one of their subscriptions - National Review? - and I heard from a friend in Chicago that she got it through the mail.

National Review.....Check. That explains it.

Thanks!

282 turn  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:28:20pm

re: #255 gop_patriot

Wow, a lot of serious stuff here for an open thread.

/I should do something about that ;)


My 18 yo son watched it the other night. There were videos and photos that he hadn't seen before, and he said it really made a big impression on him. He also highly recommends it.

The youngest turnspawn is 16, and it made quite an impression on him too. He must have asked me 50 questions last night about 9/11.

283 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:28:21pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper

Doesn't appear to be...

284 vagabond trader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:29:09pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

vista and fire fox 3.0

285 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:29:16pm

re: #280 Peacekeeper

Why not flag it for the Grand Poohbah?

286 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:29:37pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

What is an "OODA loop?


Observe
Orient
Decide
Act

Repeat.

287 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:29:41pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

What is an "OODA loop?" I keep thinking of the old Chicago joke:

"Does this bus go to da Loop?"

"No, this bus goes, 'beep-beep.'"

Observe, Orient, Decide and Act

288 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:29:58pm

re: #273 willowone

i'm a wild berry rounded tip

Flat top here.

289 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:07pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

What is an "OODA loop?" I keep thinking of the old Chicago joke:

"Does this bus go to da Loop?"

"No, this bus goes, 'beep-beep.'"

Observe.Orient.Decide.Act.Observe.Orient.Decide.Act.Observe.Orient.Decide.Act.

loop, never pause.

290 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:15pm

re: #270 jcm

Looks like a phishing scheme to me......
To much info required, when you just have to ask which State and point to that State's voter reg page.

On second hand might be legit....

The [Link: www.voteforchange.com...] report:

IP Address: 74.200.242.230
Hostname: webfarm.barackobama.com

Data mining for sure......

291 J.S.  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:23pm

re: #231 Peacekeeper

I believe the answer is "yes it can" (be for real). Awhile ago a local news program here in Canada included on their website a link (it was to get "Americans" to vote in the upcoming election -- and, yes, it was a site run by Democrats...the Democrats were trying to find as many "Americans" to sign up as possible and get them to go to this website -- where you just fill out the form/send it to your state, and eventually you get a ballot mailed to you which you then send back to the States...)

292 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:32pm

re: #286 Racer X

Observe
OrientAsia
Decide
Act

Repeat.

(updated for political correctness)

293 callahan23  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:34pm

re: #209 jcm

St. Pancakes alma mater in the news............

Fires at Evergreen State College likely intentionally set

Save the earth! Stop organic farming?
/

In fact yes, if you think of the enormously larger acreages organic farming require in order to produce the same yields.
Better to farm very intensively on little land and have large swaths of land that really could be given back to nature.

294 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:35pm

re: #211 Sharmuta

Man! It's gone viral!

Its brilliant, just brilliant!

295 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:38pm

re: #280 Peacekeeper

Maybe I'm old fashioned and senile but this shouldn't be allowed.

McCain's website does it too, but you're right -- there's a huge potential for fraud at best, and ID theft at worst.

296 willowone  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:30:49pm

re: #288 redstateredneck
i admire that. we come in all styles and walks of life.

297 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:31:26pm

re: #239 Fat Jolly Penguin

Check out the caption for this pic:

WTF does that have to do with the picture, AP?

Holy crap, who writes the captions?!?

298 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:09pm

re: #290 jcm

LOL. It let me go pretty far with a made up address.

And a pretty nifty made up name.

299 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:12pm

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know, I'm comfortable enough with my masculinity to say, "Gosh, he is a handsome man!"

Thanks Veggie..I appreciate your comments..
/running

300 neocon hippie  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:21pm

The notion that Obama is going to dump Biden for Hillary is akin to those pre-DNC rumblings that Hillary was going to pull some sort of coup.

301 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:36pm

re: #276 Archimedes

Sorry for the late response, I got caught up in unimportant things, like work. :D

Thanks for the links. That was an enjoyable read.

Just one more thing to add to Archimedes' resume.

I think of the stunning implications historically if he'd complete his work. Calculus was the key to modern science, imagine calculus coming 2 millennia ago!

Pure genius.

302 Syrah  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:32:50pm

re: #239 Fat Jolly Penguin

Check out the caption for this pic:

WTF does that have to do with the picture, AP?

That is not a caption. That is an editorial.

303 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:33:13pm

re: #297 gop_patriot

Holy crap, who writes the captions?!?

Nope, no bias there.

"Here is a picture of a duck. Speaking of ducks, McCain has been trying to duck these issues....."

Coming soon to a caption near you.

304 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:33:19pm

re: #292 Occasional Reader

"Oriental" refers to a thing.

"Asian" refers to a person.

305 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:33:27pm

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know, I'm comfortable enough with my masculinity to say, "Gosh, he is a handsome man!"

He is.
Not just that but a good dad and husband.

They both lucked out.

I hear him say when asked about her rise in politics, well maybe I should have asked a few more questions when she first joined the PTA.

LOL

306 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:33:33pm

re: #294 yma o hyd

Its brilliant, just brilliant!


slide 49 of 445 shows her secretly flashing the Obama sign.

307 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:06pm

re: #302 Syrah

That is not a caption. That is an editorial.

Crock of shit.

308 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:12pm

whenever I think of earth shattering financial news like we have seen this weekend and today, I wonder if george soros had anything to do with it. can any of the financial lizards tell me if he is profiting in any way from this fiasco? and if he is, can someone tell me how?

thanks ...

309 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:28pm

re: #298 WriterMom

LOL. It let me go pretty far with a made up address.

And a pretty nifty made up name.

re: #306 jwb7605

slide 49 of 445 shows her secretly flashing the Obama sign.

But with the fingers pointing DOWN!

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:36pm

re: #297 gop_patriot

Holy crap, who writes the captions?!?

OT but related. Gary Larson's "Pre-History of the Farside" had some very funny examples of where a newspaper accidentally put the wrong caption under one of his cells. Was hysterical.

311 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:36pm

re: #239 Fat Jolly Penguin

Check out the caption for this pic:


WTF does that have to do with the picture, AP?

Nice catch.

Send it to James Taranto maybe?

312 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:34:50pm

re: #280 Peacekeeper

Maybe I'm old fashioned and senile but this shouldn't be allowed.

Hurrah..Sock Puppet voting registration!
It's about time..
/

313 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:04pm
314 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:15pm

re: #297 gop_patriot

You mean the craptions?!?

315 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:20pm

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BV - had a conversation with one of my very liberal (BHO worshiping) customers this morning. Turns out that he won't be a customer for very much longer, but that's another story.

Anyway, I told him that BHO had a real problem. Well, my soon-to-be-ex-customer told me that the polls didn't count - that they were not measuring nor polling cell phone customers, and that the number of new democratic voters who had been registered (remember this is Chicago), were overwhelming and that there'd been a radical shift in voters and...

Folks, I am in business and when you're in business, you don't go pissing on cash-paying-never-late customers. I just suggested that if, indeed as he was praying for, BHO was elected, that BHO's problems were just starting.

His response was "We're screwed!"

And on that we could both agree, albeit for very different reasons.

316 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:22pm

re: #303 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, no bias there.

"Here is a picture of a duck. Speaking of ducks, McCain has been trying to duck these issues....."

Coming soon to a caption near you.

LMAO!
Not THAT was funny!

317 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:23pm
318 VMA211Dan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:41pm

re: #300 neocon hippie

The notion that Obama is going to dump Biden for Hillary is akin to those pre-DNC rumblings that Hillary was going to pull some sort of coup.


Obama can't replace Biden this late. His first decision as a possible POTUS was a mistake? McCain camp would slaughter him for it.

319 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:49pm

re: #306 jwb7605

slide 49 of 445 shows her secretly flashing the Obama sign Obama's sign.

Fixed.

LOL!

320 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:35:50pm

re: #304 Racer X

"Oriental" refers to a thing.

"Asian" refers to a person.

I was kidding, you know that, right?

(And I guarantee you, if you hang around the PC set and refer to an "Oriental" rug, they'll freak out anyway.)

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:14pm

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

So if I hire a Honda or Nissan for the weekend, that's Oriental car?

It really hertz to see you stoop so low.

322 kansas  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:23pm

re: #308 _RememberTonyC

whenever I think of earth shattering financial news like we have seen this weekend and today, I wonder if george soros had anything to do with it. can any of the financial lizards tell me if he is profiting in any way from this fiasco? and if he is, can someone tell me how?

thanks ...

You know, I wonder the same damn thing. Primarily to make the ONE seem more attractive. I bet things really go to shit during the debates.

323 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:30pm

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

The Jews of Shanghai were once known as the Ori-Yenta Jews.

324 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:44pm

re: #220 WriterMom

Yes-I just read it. His analysis is right on. Practically everything that comes out of Hilary's mouth is crisis talk. He's very funny. I have to admit though-I was reading a P.J O'Rourke book right after, and there were several PJ nuggets that it appeared Jonah 'liberated'. Like about "It Takes A Village" coming from the ancient tribal African village of Hallmarkonia (or something like that).

I heard from a friend that so far, the LLL have derided his book at every opportunity' and that no academic has actually engaged with his arguments.

Well, heads in sand comes to mind.

I think its one of those books which pulls away a lot of disguises we meet in everyday speech and written words, and thus sensitises one to what is really going on.

325 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:51pm
326 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:36:52pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LMAO! First pic in a Palin slide show

Thanks for that. Brought a smile to my face.

327 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:37:10pm

re: #232 yma o hyd

:-l

328 kansas  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:37:21pm

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

So if I hire a Honda or Nissan for the weekend, that's Oriental car?

Yeah, but you'll be hungry again later.

329 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:37:22pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

What is an "OODA loop?" I keep thinking of the old Chicago joke:

"Does this bus go to da Loop?"

"No, this bus goes, 'beep-beep.'"

Mr. Whittle covers the origination and the application of the concept here and here.

330 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:37:43pm

re: #328 kansas

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

331 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:37:44pm

re: #259 redstateredneck

Okay, ladies. Now that you have your lipsticks out, just what does the shape say about you?

I'm somewhere between this:
Sharp angle tip
And this:
Sharp angled box curved tip

But what I think the shape really means is that I have full lips. LOL

332 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:38:01pm

re: #298 WriterMom

LOL. It let me go pretty far with a made up address.

And a pretty nifty made up name.

I used a real address, fake name, and I know how WA DL numbers are generated. It gives you the state form in PDF to print, pre-printed with the Sec-State for you state. For WA it's the correct form.

It's the real deal.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:38:04pm

re: #306 jwb7605

slide 49 of 445 shows her secretly flashing the Obama sign.

I think that was her "Moose Shooters" gang sign.

334 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:38:12pm

re: #320 Occasional Reader

I was kidding, you know that, right?

I shooda know better.

335 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:38:33pm

re: #323 WriterMom

The Jews of Shanghai were once known as the Ori-Yenta Jews.

That was pretty punny

336 SummerSong  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:02pm

re: #181 rawmuse

This pissy little piece in the newspaper you linked to caught my eye.

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]


Are you an elitist?
18 revealing ways to know for sure

337 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:16pm

re: #335 HoosierHoops

Barbara Streisand did a movie about them...perhaps you heard of it? OriYentle?

338 Beller0ph1  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:29pm

re: #315 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Are you in Chicago, CiLH? South Loop here.

339 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:33pm

re: #332 jcm

I used a real address, fake name, and I know how WA DL numbers are generated. It gives you the state form in PDF to print, pre-printed with the Sec-State for you state. For WA it's the correct form.

It's the real deal.

Maybe they spend money sending campaign literature to the address I provided.

340 stuiec  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:35pm

re: #102 eschew_obfuscation

Well.....E_O's Biden Watch continues:

The calls for Sen. Obama to dump Biden are starting to get louder and more overt.

It started when the left began speculating as to how long Palin had left on the Republican ticket (obvious projection). Now they're making specific suggestions at HuffPo.

I hope Obama doesn't fall for it, but nothing would surprise me about the left.

Wow, that article demonstrates how deep the panic is and how paralyzing the fear is on the other side. They seem to be waking up to the fact that their Presidential nominee ain't the transcendental genius they thought he was.

341 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:41pm

re: #308 _RememberTonyC

It is a shame, but that is something that comes up in my mind as well.

I am going to take some time, and read up on Fannie & Freddie. I can't say that I would be convinced that it would have been set up to fail towards the end of this election cycle, but seeing some of the folks with proximity makes me have more questions.

The one thing that has always, always amazed me, is how the Democrats can have their finger prints all over something like education bills, or financial sectors that get rotten, and still be able to get the Republicans holding the ball for it.

342 callahan23  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:39:49pm

re: #323 WriterMom

The Jews of Shanghai were once known as the Ori-Yenta Jews.

Sure it wasn't the Ori-Yentl Jews?
/ :-P

343 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:40:16pm

re: #337 WriterMom

Barbara Streisand did a movie about them...perhaps you heard of it? OriYentle?

I prefer that movie about the grizzly bear that studies to become a rabbi: Yentl Ben.

344 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:40:28pm

re: #325 buzzsawmonkey

I'll take that under Avis-ment.

It's quite an Enterprise to take this National, or even to go to the Alamo.

345 VMA211Dan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:40:58pm

I wonder how many letters Chuckie Schumer wrote this week telling investors to start yanking money out before its too late. Wink. Wink.

346 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:13pm

re: #333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that was her "Moose Shooters" gang sign.

I think that could be the start of something ... LOL!

347 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:13pm

hannity now interviewing a young woman born alive after a saline abortion attempt.
she is 33 yrs. old now.
very compelling.

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:24pm
349 Racer X  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:31pm

re: #344 Honorary Yooper

It's quite an Enterprise to take this National, or even to go to the Alamo.

Now that Hertz!

350 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:33pm

re: #311 Occasional Reader

Nice catch.

Send it to James Taranto maybe?

Done. Thanks for the suggestion!

351 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:41:53pm

re: #282 turn

The youngest turnspawn is 16, and it made quite an impression on him too. He must have asked me 50 questions last night about 9/11.

That's so good to hear.

So many kids are voting age now, or close to it, that were pretty young when 9/11 happened. My oldest son was 11 at the time, and of course didn't watch and listen to the news as much as an adult. This is his first year voting; I'm glad he's doing some research into it on his own now...

/btw sorry about mixing up that post, when I hit reply I didn't realize that other comment of mine was still on there. Not trying to mix something silly in with something serious!

352 Cygnus  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:42:19pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LMAO! First pic in a Palin slide show

And not a single backlit 'halo' shot anywhere. Gee.

353 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:42:25pm

re: #323 WriterMom

The Jews of Shanghai were once known as the Ori-Yenta Jews.

They were the one really responsible for bombing Pearl Harbor. Why else do you think the were yelling "Torah! Torah! Torah!"?

354 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:42:31pm

re: #306 jwb7605

slide 49 of 445 shows her secretly flashing the Obama sign.

Actually, that looks like sign language for, erm, vajayjay.

355 Alegrias  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:42:45pm

re: #295 Fat Jolly Penguin

McCain's website does it too, but you're right -- there's a huge potential for fraud at best, and ID theft at worst.

* * *
At least McCain's site will have real qualified engineers or vendors, not partisan apparatchiks, securing your data.

356 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:42:51pm

re: #322 kansas

I know soros tends to make a lot of his money when times are tougher on the rest of us. He seems like a bottom feeder of the highest (lowest?) order. I wish someone out there with some financial chops could have a look at how he could be manipulating our economy to help obama and himself.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:03pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Atlantic Monthly is apologizing....

ish...

358 turn  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:07pm

re: #344 Honorary Yooper

It's quite an Enterprise to take this National, or even to go to the Alamo.

You guys better get thrifty with your puns, after all you're on a budget.

359 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:22pm

re: #336 SummerSong

I never read Morford. Ever. He writes specifically to inflame people like us.
He is a poisonous little toad.

360 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:26pm

re: #343 Occasional Reader

Or the one where Barbara Streisand plays a transgendered yeshiva student who decides to enlist in the army: An Officer and A Yentle-Man.

361 littleO  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:35pm

I just thought it was great that Pope Benedict could draw a 1/4 million people in Paris and another 150,000 in Lourdes TO HEAR MASS. Not bad for an unappealing, uninspiring old man!

362 mama winger  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:43:36pm

Obama and the Mainstream Media

[Link: z.about.com...]

363 VMA211Dan  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:01pm

re: #341 formercorpsman

It is a shame, but that is something that comes up in my mind as well.

I am going to take some time, and read up on Fannie & Freddie. I can't say that I would be convinced that it would have been set up to fail towards the end of this election cycle, but seeing some of the folks with proximity makes me have more questions.

The one thing that has always, always amazed me, is how the Democrats can have their finger prints all over something like education bills, or financial sectors that get rotten, and still be able to get the Republicans holding the ball for it.


Chris Dodd, biggest recipient of lobbyist money from Fannie and Freddie. Second biggest? Thats right Barrack Hussein Obama. Saw on Michele Malkin and Hotair.

364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:06pm

re: #358 turn

You guys better get thrifty with your puns, after all you're on a budget.

U haul better mind your manners

365 Semper Gumbi  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:22pm

re: #315 Conservative in Liberal Hands

BV - had a conversation with one of my very liberal (BHO worshiping) customers this morning. Turns out that he won't be a customer for very much longer, but that's another story.

Anyway, I told him that BHO had a real problem. Well, my soon-to-be-ex-customer told me that the polls didn't count - that they were not measuring nor polling cell phone customers, and that the number of new democratic voters who had been registered (remember this is Chicago), were overwhelming and that there'd been a radical shift in voters and...

Folks, I am in business and when you're in business, you don't go pissing on cash-paying-never-late customers. I just suggested that if, indeed as he was praying for, BHO was elected, that BHO's problems were just starting.

His response was "We're screwed!"

And on that we could both agree, albeit for very different reasons.


The Campaign Spot over at National Review just posted a rebuttal to the non-polling of cell phone only voters.

Campaign Spot

366 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:34pm

re: #354 Occasional Reader

Is there really a sign for that?

367 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:42pm

re: #362 mama winger

mama winger?
our mama winger?

368 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:44:50pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Atlantic Monthly is apologizing....

I saw that whole thing.
I thought the interview was along the same lines as the Gibson/Palin thing, and I got the impression that the Atlantic Monthly spokesman was sincere and pissed off about having been "suckered".
I also don't think the picture the Atlantic published was unfair.
I might have to read the article.
Is there a link?

369 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:09pm
370 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:10pm

re: #349 Racer X

Now that Hertz!

Uhaul grabbed my Penskes before you left the party.

371 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:18pm

re: #354 Occasional Reader

Sign language for vajayjay? This thread is deteriorating faster than I could have possibly dreamed of...

/it's quite an unfortunate image actually

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:47pm

re: #362 mama winger

Obama and the Mainstream Media

[Link: z.about.com...]

Mama? That you (gasp)?

373 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:45:58pm

re: #362 mama winger

Welcome back.

374 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:10pm

re: #362 mama winger

IS THAT REALLY YOU?

375 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:13pm

re: #360 WriterMom

Or the one where Barbara Streisand plays a transgendered yeshiva student who decides to enlist in the army: An Officer and A Yentle-Man.

Heh.

And let's not forget Dylan Thomas' admonition to yeshiva students: "Do not go, Yentl, into that good night..."

376 turn  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:24pm

re: #362 mama winger

Obama and the Mainstream Media

[Link: z.about.com...]

If the MSM loses this one for him, I think he'll be using a different finger next time around.

377 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:25pm

re: #360 WriterMom

Writer Mom ... are you channeling Henny Youngman?

I think streisand should do a movie about a lubavitcher who takes over keith olbermann's brain. She could call it "Mentl."

378 gmsc  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:27pm

re: #249 Peacekeeper

Somebody tell me this is a fake...

Looking at WHOIS:voteforchange.com and WHOIS:74.200.242.230 (The IP address behind voteforchange.com), it unfortunately seems legit. The servers go back to webfarm.barackobama.com.

Just for fun:
Cafepress search for items tagged "Obama" and "lipstick" - I like that "we can do it" Rosie the Riveter/Sarah Palin shirt!

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:36pm

re: #368 jwb7605

Not other than the interview that I linked.

380 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:46:43pm

re: #362 mama winger

Obama and the Mainstream Media

[Link: z.about.com...]

mama?
MAMA?

Is that you MAMA?

{mama}

381 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:27pm

re: #379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not other than the interview that I linked.

That means I'll have to find a print copy.

382 joncelli  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:30pm

re: #362 mama winger

Missed you Mama. Welcome back. (How's the pooch?)

383 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:31pm

have my prayers been answered?

384 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:33pm

re: #366 formercorpsman

Is there really a sign for that?

I suppose there must be. Otherwise, it would suck even more to be deaf.

385 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:38pm

re: #374 WriterMom

IS THAT REALLY YOU?

I think so....

mama winger

32nd Infantry Division - Red Arrow Brigade, Blue Star Mom, Dog Crazy, Evangelical Christian Cub Fan.

Registered since: Jan 21, 2006 at 4:56 pm
No. of comments posted: 29,655
No. of links posted: 38

386 Dianna  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:47:50pm

re: #362 mama winger

Mama winger?!

Yay!

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:17pm

re: #362 mama winger

Congrats on your no-hitter last night!

388 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:19pm

re: #338 Beller0ph1

Just to the west but still within Crook County.

389 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:19pm

re: #363 VMA211Dan

I know, I just need some time to read it, and make sure I absord it.

What I do think has happened, certain politicians try to influence these entities in decision making, in an effort to have something they can hang their names on when stumping, but the fallout is what it is.

390 Alegrias  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:26pm

Caroline Kennedy's and Eric Holder or whoevers left on their veep vetting committee really bombed.

An art critic and a former DC attorney general and a CEO of Fannie Mae picking dems' vicepresident, what could possibly go wrong?

391 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:34pm

re: #338 Beller0ph1

Are you in Chicago, CiLH? South Loop here.

Western suburb me.

392 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:45pm

re: #306 jwb7605

slide 49 of 445 shows her secretly flashing the Obama sign.

Nonononono no.
She's not - ger first fingers are pointed ... now what that means, i dunno.
'Obama, you're soo screwed', perhaps?

Any suggestions?

393 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:53pm

re: #362 mama winger

Obama and the Mainstream Media

[Link: z.about.com...]

HOWDY!

394 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:48:57pm

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Congrats on your no-hitter last night!

She pitches too?
;-)

395 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:49:30pm

re: #369 buzzsawmonkey

Damnit Buzz, coffee just went up into my sinuses.

396 Cygnus  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:49:52pm

re: #235 willowone

Is Mandy here? if so [Link: news.yahoo.com...] from women to women! goooo palin! a time of fun in a serious world

Lizardettes for Palin!

397 Beller0ph1  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:49:52pm

re: #388 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Ahh, gotta love the 10% sales tax to fund the corruption in the County. What business are you in?

398 alien_mind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:49:55pm

any Rush listeners out there? he's killing me with that bit he is doing on Biden, where he plays the Biden stump speech and overlays rimshots at the end of each sentence.

i don't know why but it is so funny it doubles me over each day when he plays it.

399 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:50:04pm

re: #394 jcm

She pitches too?
;-)

No, she pitches woo.

400 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:50:32pm

{mama winger}, come out, come out.
you have been so missed.

where'd she go?

401 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:50:40pm

re: #378 gmsc

Just for fun:
Cafepress search for items tagged "Obama" and "lipstick" - I like that "we can do it" Rosie the Riveter/Sarah Palin shirt!

LMAO

402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:50:47pm

re: #394 jcm

Obviously her Zambrano do!

403 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:50:48pm

re: #392 yma o hyd

Nonononono no.
She's not - ger first fingers are pointed ... now what that means, i dunno.
'Obama, you're soo screwed', perhaps?

Any suggestions?

see post #333 ... that's my favorite so far.

404 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:00pm

The worst enemy of the British Armed Forces (and of British civilization) is the British Politician.

I'm not kidding. I just read this.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

405 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:12pm

re: #327 DeafDog

:-l

;-)

406 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:14pm

re: #398 alien_mind

any Rush listeners out there? he's killing me with that bit he is doing on Biden, where he plays the Biden stump speech and overlays rimshots at the end of each sentence.

i don't know why but it is so funny it doubles me over each day when he plays it.


Stand up, George....oh God!

407 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:16pm

re: #384 Occasional Reader

I think your right, I am sure there must be.

As sure as I am past the Bell Curve on being hip enough to even know if there is one.

408 rhino2  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:20pm

re: #354 Occasional Reader

Actually, that looks like sign language for, erm, vajayjay.

I chuckled.

409 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:37pm

re: #277 scottishbuzzsaw

Ard Lass...LOL!

I like the "fat people are harder to kidnap", and "I am Adipose" (Dr. Who reference). :) The "I dare you to picture me naked" one is good, too. LOL

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:51:47pm

re: #400 nyc redneck

{mama winger}, come out, come out.
you have been so missed.

where'd she go?

TEASE!

411 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:17pm
412 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:30pm

re: #401 Fat Jolly Penguin

LMAO

And again!

And the winner...

413 Thanos  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:34pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

You must not have administrative rights..are you using Vista or XP?

Right click the executable after saving to your drive and "run as administrator" if you have vista. That's the solution to about 95 percent of vista issues.

414 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:52:52pm

re: #398 alien_mind

any Rush listeners out there? he's killing me with that bit he is doing on Biden, where he plays the Biden stump speech and overlays rimshots at the end of each sentence.

i don't know why but it is so funny it doubles me over each day when he plays it.

I dig it, man, the most.

415 willowone  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:53:23pm

re: #396 Cygnus laughing, we sure can!

416 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:53:36pm
417 alien_mind  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:53:37pm

re: #406 redstateredneck


"stand up George and take a bow. Oh jeez what am I talking about/"

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:54:31pm

re: #414 rawmuse

Rush'll never be on Sirius...sigh....

Can you imagine? Year is 2008 and I am hitting search while driving down the interstate on the EFFING A.M. FREQUENCY!

419 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:54:45pm

re: #391 midwestgak

Western suburb me.

SW satellite city here, thankfully not in Crook County.

420 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:55:09pm

re: #362 mama winger

Obama and the Mainstream Media

[Link: z.about.com...]

{mama winger}

Nice to have you back!

421 formercorpsman  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:55:36pm

re: #406 redstateredneck

You know Red, that little "Oh G-d" at the end is just the best.

That is the little Homer voice coming out, and trying to cover the little voice in your head screaming, "oh shit, oh shit, oh, shit.....oh shit, oh shit.....

I can't hear the clip enough, it almost reduces me to tears.

422 mama winger  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:55:39pm
423 SummerSong  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:55:40pm

re: #359 rawmuse

I've never heard of him before , but I couldn't agree more. He is a poisonous little toad.

424 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:25pm

re: #365 Semper Gumbi

The Campaign Spot over at National Review just posted a rebuttal to the non-polling of cell phone only voters.

Campaign Spot

Good to hear this. I've been a little worried that polls were not including cell phone only households, considering that NONE of the 20 and 30 somethings I know have land-line phones. Even ones who are homeowners. We don't want a repeat of 1948, when all the polls were predicting a Dewey victory. Turned out that a significant number of Truman voters didn't have phones.

425 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:46pm

re: #422 mama winger

OH
MAH
GAWD
HEEEEEEEEEELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

426 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:46pm

re: #422 mama winger

It's ME !

I've joined the Opposition

You ate ALL the doughnuts!

427 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:48pm

re: #365 Semper Gumbi

My editorial skills need some improvement. I meant to convey that he was foaming at the mouth and almost delusional, in fact.

I am afraid that the election will be stolen, though. Voter fraud is a time-honored tactic, both in Crook County and other places such as Philly, St. Louis, New Jersey...

428 redstateredneck  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:57pm

re: #422 mama winger

It's ME !

I've joined the Opposition

Mama, I coulda gone all day and not seen that.

429 turn  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:56:58pm

re: #422 mama winger

It's ME !

I've joined the Opposition

Eye bleach needed ASAP

430 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:28pm

re: #422 mama winger

It's ME !

I've joined the Opposition

Please, warn us before posting that. Almost tossed my cookies into the keyboard. :-)

431 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:31pm

re: #422 mama winger

It's ME !

I've joined the Opposition

AAAIIEEEEEE!

ROFLOL! Good to see you, Mama! :) (((hug)))

432 jcm  Mon, Sep 15, 2008 1:57:36pm