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Saudi Clerics Issuing Death Fatwas for TV Producers

World | Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:14:23 am PDT

Saudi clerics are raging and seething about the Turkish soap operas (dubbed into Arabic) that are becoming very popular in the religious apartheid kingdom, and they’re calling for people to be killed.

“If they continue airing depravity and shamelessness they should be banished from this place and others brought in their place,” senior Saudi cleric Sheikh Saleh al-Fozan said in comments published Sunday, referring to TV executives.

He suggested purveyors of horoscopes and “sorcery” should face the death penalty, and head of the Islamic sharia courts Sheikh Saleh al-Lohaidan said last week channel owners should be tried and face possible death for “indecency and vulgarity.”

Arab TV producers aren’t laughing.

They’re not laughing because they know these aren’t idle threats. But there’s an interesting note of hope in this story:

One TV official who did not want to be named said religious conservatives could not push back the tide in Arab entertainment television, which already pays attention to social and religious mores. “You can’t put the consumer back in the box,” he said.

Statistics compiled for MBC indicate that one episode of Turkish soap “Noor” reached an audience of 85 million, half of whom were women, in early August. There are around 300 million Arabic-speakers throughout the Middle East and North Africa.

Long live the idiot box!

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1 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:16:26am

Yipee - the death fatwa of the day!

2 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:16:42am

Days of our Fatwas.

As the Fatwa Turns.

One Fatwa to Give.

3 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:16:48am
He suggested purveyors of horoscopes and “sorcery” should face the death penalty, and head of the Islamic sharia courts Sheikh Saleh al-Lohaidan said last week channel owners should be tried and face possible death for “indecency and vulgarity.”

He must be a Scorpio.

4 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:18:01am

I wouldn't mind seeing a fatwa on Mikey Moore's fat ass.

5 wildcat84  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:19:11am

And we keep letting people into the US from this 7th century country?

Geesh.

6 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:19:40am

Hellooooooooooooooooo.... 7th century is long over. Time to move up to the 21st centry, Mr. Cleric.

7 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:20:47am

re: #5 wildcat84

And we keep letting people into the US from this 7th century country?

Geesh.

30 seconds quicker... GMTA. :)

8 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:20:49am

7th century television, yeah right

9 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:20:50am

“You can’t put the consumer back in the box,” he said.

Or rather, you can't put the genie back in the bottle?

10 looking closely  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:20:55am

This is odd, an Iranian soap opera with a Jewish protagonist:

[Link: www.ynet.co.il...]

11 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:20:57am
“You can’t put the consumer back in the box,” he said.

A consumer- by definition cannot be the product in the box. No wonder they're such a sh*thole- they don't even know the difference between a product and a customer.

12 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:21:07am
13 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:21:27am

All My Fatwas

General Fatwa

The Young and the Fatwa'd

14 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:21:36am

Fatwa Hospital.

15 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:21:48am

Modern times beat dark age every time.

16 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:22:00am

re: #9 Leonidas Hoplite

Or rather, you can't put the genie back in the bottle?

SORCERY! I KEEL YOU!

17 yitzy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:22:30am

re: #14 MandyManners

Fatwa Hospital.

Don't you mean "General Fatwaspital" ?

18 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:23:20am

re: #9 Leonidas Hoplite

Or rather, you can't put the genie back in the bottle?

Yeah, I undersand that part, but how do you get the head in the bottle?

19 laZardo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:23:46am

Slowly, the walls are crackling away...

20 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:24:15am

All My Camels

As the Kabah Turns

The Young and the Martyred

21 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:24:29am

All my children bombs.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:24:58am

re: #2 MandyManners

Days of our Fatwas.

As the Fatwa Turns.

One Fatwa to Give.

You forgot their top-ranked one, but the clerics like this one:
As the Jew Burns

23 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:25:10am

Dialing for Fatwas

The Fatwa is Right

The Wheel of Fatwas

24 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:25:24am

Knots Landing Nots Hallal

25 Alan K. Henderson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:25:54am

#3,

If you want to invoke Godwin, say he's an Aries. Hitler was an Aries...

FYI, here's what he looks like, and here's his Wikipedia article. (Al-Fawzan is an alternate spelling of his name.)

26 dhg4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:25:55am

"Half of whom were women?"

What were the other half?

First they came for the birthday cakes.

Then they came for Mickey Mouse.

Then they came for the soap operas.

What will be next?

27 laZardo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:25:59am

The Bold and the Burqa'd

28 vxbush  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:26:21am

Days Pages Of Our Lives Koran

29 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:26:37am
He suggested purveyors of horoscopes and “sorcery” should face the death penalty

Ironic, coming from a practitioner of a certain Dark Ages perversion of religion.

30 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:26:51am

re: #25 Alan K. Henderson

No- hitler was a Taurus.

31 de La Valette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:27:02am

Add in the Coptic priest challenging Isalm and they might want to buy a lot of jammers.

32 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:27:19am

We need a US fatwa laid down on Jamie Gorelick.

She helped bring us 9/11 and the subprime debacle and Fannie Mae.

33 Samita  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:27:29am

The Bombed and the Burqa'd...

34 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:27:49am

re: #27 laZardo

The Bold and the Burqa'd

LMAO! Good one.

35 Flying Dutchman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:27:57am

Hi all,

Just tried to "Buzz up" this story but it doesn't work. Strange...

Could another Lizard try to submit the story.

36 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:28:16am

re: #32 karmic_inquisitor

We need a US fatwa laid down on Jamie Gorelick.

She helped bring us 9/11 and the subprime debacle and Fannie Mae.

And made 26 million dollars while doing it. We pay people very well to screw us over, apparently.

37 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:28:26am

Holy Crap!


Obama's Foul Weather Friends

As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he "left the room to cry." He said, "I realized...America was an evil... and that I was... living inside the belly of the beast...."

38 slartybartfast  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:28:47am

There are probably some nervous BBC producers out there, too...

39 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:28:58am

Funny is we don't even need to alter the now defunct Another World- because that's where these people are.

40 Morganfrost  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:29:05am

When the only tool in your kit is a death fatwa, pretty much every problem (and quite a few non-problems) starts to look like a capital offense.

Granted, tolerance is not exactly the forte of the high priests of the Religion of Peace (TM), and granted further that Arab TV producers should probably be dealt with harshly on grounds of aesthetics and production values, but killing them seems a bit over the top.

41 USA  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:29:33am

re: #2 MandyManners

Days of our Fatwas.

As the Fatwa Turns.

One Fatwa to Give.

General Fatwa

42 laZardo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:29:33am

re: #33 Samita

GMTA

/almost [=

43 calvin coolidge  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:30:01am

I just sent the Saudi clerics some tapes of MSNBC broadcasts. Hopefully we'll hear some good news soon.

44 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:30:06am
45 shibumi  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:30:07am

I feel sorry for the normal people stuck living under the bizarre strictures of Islam. Normal people don't want to live this way, and there has to be quite a few that want to get out, but cannot for fear of death. Soap operas are a harmless diversion, a diversion that might make the horrible life of these people a bit more tolerable and now the clerics want to take that away. I can't imagine how joyless life must be under Islam, and hope that those who want to leave will somehow find the strength to do so.

46 laZardo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:30:18am

re: #41 USA

General Mosque

47 slotgun  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:30:28am

Somebody, quick: Help me with the definition of IRONY . . . I seem to sense some kind of connection between a fatwa on tv programming that destroys the social fabric and $28,500-a-plate fundraisers in Hollywood for Obama, but I just can't make the link here . . .

48 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:30:48am

re: #35 Flying Dutchman

Hi all,

Just tried to "Buzz up" this story but it doesn't work. Strange...

Could another Lizard try to submit the story.

I got it. Try again.

49 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:31:18am

re: #45 shibumi

"There is no fun in islam."

-Ayatollah Khomeini

50 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:31:47am

Good work, everyone. The first phase of our plan for world domination has come off without a hitch.

If you all flip to page 791 of your Imperial Handbook, you'll find the details of Phase Two.

It's listed under its code name: Golden Arches.

51 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:31:58am

when do they get to the part about them all being controlled by the evil joooz

52 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:32:27am
You can’t put the consumer back in the box

Islam is a black box.

53 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:33:07am

i love how the depiction of events in everyday life is reaching moslems.
perhaps under the vicious net of islam people are opening their eyes.
as charles said, "long live the idiot box."

54 laZardo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #44 buzzsawmonkey

Death By Decrees, the hit video game for the young jihadi!

55 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:34:18am

re: #49 Sharmuta

"There is no fun in islam."

-Ayatollah Khomeini

And there is not any fun in their dysfunction, either...

56 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:35:23am

Desperate Fatwas

57 filetandrelease  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:35:32am

re: #45 shibumi

I feel sorry for the normal people stuck living under the bizarre strictures of Islam. Normal people don't want to live this way, and there has to be quite a few that want to get out, but cannot for fear of death. Soap operas are a harmless diversion, a diversion that might make the horrible life of these people a bit more tolerable and now the clerics want to take that away. I can't imagine how joyless life must be under Islam, and hope that those who want to leave will somehow find the strength to do so.

I have a couple of customers, Muslims from Egypt, who got out with their families when they were kids for these reasons. Normal good people who for the most part are appalled at what is being done in the name of their religion.

58 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:36:21am

Santa Barbaric

59 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:36:22am

Wouldn't these be something like the 98,000,000,011
fatwas issued in the last four years or so?!

60 wildcat84  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:36:56am

re: #49 Sharmuta

"There is no fun in islam."

-Ayatollah Khomeini

This is what the Libs have in common with islam. Both movements are made up of miserable people who's only goal in life is to stop anyone else from not being as miserable as they are. The ROP uses bombs, the Left use the guns of government.

61 slartybartfast  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:13am

re: #52 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Islam is a black box.

Which brings to mind a question I dream of:

"Senator Obama, if you were to travel to Saudi Arabia, would you be allowed to visit the Kabaa?"

62 Behead Me Bob  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:22am

Throw in some BFN (brief frontal nudity) to really add to the excitement.
/Can't imagine how BFN is more offensive than public beheadings.

63 wildcat84  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #59 realwest

Wouldn't these be something like the 98,000,000,011
fatwas issued in the last four years or so?!

Almost as many stupid fatwas on the books as bad laws aren't there?

64 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:32am

re: #58 David Simon

Santa Barbaric

or Satanic Barbara

65 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #57 filetandrelease


you'd think they would see that Islam was the problem in the first place. Why these people continue to be muslims and preach this there perverting true islam crap is beyond me.

66 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:41am
head of the Islamic sharia courts Sheikh Saleh al-Lohaidan said last week channel owners should be tried and face possible death for “indecency and vulgarity.

With the news of sharia courts being allowed in Britain, how long before their soap operas are threatened?

Just put a 24 hour loop of Pioneers of Tomorrow on all channels every day.

67 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:53am

The Edge of Knife.

68 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:55am

Desperate Goats.

Sex in the Sand.

69 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:37:57am

Sharia & Order
Without a Clue
CSI: Mecca
Ugly Fatima

70 turn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #46 laZardo

General Mosque

The young and the headless ...

Who would have guessed that the one thing that holds promise of bringing these Saudi women out of the seventh century would be friggin soap operas? Long live the idiot box indeed.

71 Flying Dutchman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:24am

re: #48 reine.de.tout

I got it. Try again.

Thanks', could finaly vote but had to restart Safari to do so, there may have been something wrong with a cookie

72 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:33am

Um Charles?

Update on this subject, I just read a response from the Obama camp:


But Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri's article bore "as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial."

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

That sounds to me like she confirmed it.

/again, jmho

73 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:37am

re: #64 wrenchwench

or Satanic Barbara

Works as well.

74 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:43am

re: #61 slartybartfast

Charlie Gibson is on it.

/

75 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:54am

If they feel that Turkish soap operas are bad they should try AS THE SNEEF BOILS.

Villain to Video Screen: Fools! don't you know that I can crush your world like a snoob fruit!?

Victim on video screen: Our world is a snoob fruit!

76 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:38:55am

Iran launches large-scale military drill to guard against air strikes

It involved training for different types of attacks, and checked the reaction of the radar systems, rocket batteries and anti-aircraft weaponry.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I hope all the recording devices were running in preparation for the real thing?

77 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:39:20am

What would really shock these clerics wouldn't be a soap opera from Turkey, but a reality show of their own royals living the life of hypocrisy right there in the "holy land" of arabia. Heh.

78 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:39:33am

Really Ugly Fatima

79 looking closely  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:40:01am

re: #26 dhg4

"Half of whom were women?"

What were the other half?

First they came for the birthday cakes.

Then they came for Mickey Mouse.

Then they came for the soap operas.

What will be next?

Ice cream cones.

Nike shoes.

Coffee cups, etc.

80 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:40:06am

re: #75 The Other Les

If they feel that Turkish soap operas are bad they should try AS THE SNEEF BOILS.

Villain to Video Screen: Fools! don't you know that I can crush your world like a snoob fruit!?

Victim on video screen: Our world is a snoob fruit!

[Link: www.airshipentertainment.com...]

81 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:40:12am
82 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:40:36am

rush guffawing abt. obama taking a teleprompter to a rodeo.

83 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:40:44am

"Ex-PMs Barak and Netanyahu in secret power-sharing talks as Kadima votes for next leader"---courtesy of Debka.

The Odd Couple?

84 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:40:58am

the clerics remind me of the king from the wizard of ID

85 crazytraveler  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:41:13am

I really think that the US needs to start carpetbombing Saudi Arabia with as many bootleg copies of US TV shows as possible. If people get bent out of shape with a soap opera, can you imagine what other shows would cause?

86 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:41:23am

Soap Operas, God's way of telling you to get up off of your fat ass and do something useful.

87 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:41:31am

re: #82 nyc redneck

rush guffawing abt. obama taking a teleprompter to a rodeo.

A teleprompter at a rodeo? Where'd he plug it in? I hope there are pictures of that...

88 looking closely  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:41:54am

re: #83 Nevergiveup

"Ex-PMs Barak and Netanyahu in secret power-sharing talks as Kadima votes for next leader"---courtesy of Debka.

The Odd Couple?

They say politics makes strange bedfellows, though given its track record you pretty much have to take everything Debka says with a gigantic nugget of salt.

89 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:42:06am

re: #50 Cognito

Good work, everyone. The first phase of our plan for world domination has come off without a hitch.

If you all flip to page 791 of your Imperial Handbook, you'll find the details of Phase Two.

It's listed under its code name: Golden Arches.

I don't know about that. I prefer Burger King myself. The McDonalds' burger tastes like they've used too much pepper.

90 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #88 looking closely

its debka so theres a 99 percent chance its nonsense

91 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:42:41am

re: #82 nyc redneck

rush guffawing abt. obama taking a teleprompter to a rodeo.

Strapped on the back of a bull? Or taking it's feed from the back end of said bull?

92 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:42:55am

re: #84 pegcity

the clerics remind me of the king from the wizard of ID

I was thinking the Queen from Alice in Wonderland... "Off with their head!"

93 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:43:03am

re: #87 gop_patriot

it's powered by hope and change

94 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:43:06am

re: #87 gop_patriot

A teleprompter at a rodeo? Where'd he plug it in? I hope there are pictures of that...

Here you go.

95 jorline  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:44:11am

We're protecting our terrorist...so F--- Off US.

96 USA  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:44:28am

re: #46 laZardo

General Mosque

Dark Fatwas

97 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:44:39am

Breaking News: Whale beaches itself in California!

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Well close anyway?

98 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:44:57am

re: #65 pegcity

you'd think they would see that Islam was the problem in the first place. Why these people continue to be muslims and preach this there perverting true islam crap is beyond me.

Especially when "true islam" has the "liar liar pants on fire" clause that allows, and even encourages, muslims to lie to infidels for the purpose of making them think islam is harmless. Given that fact it is virtually impossible for honest and good people who may indeed be trapped in the system to extricate themselves- the vetting process is too onerous.

Islam is a truly Evil system, purposely designed to ensnare and keep ensnared good people so that they may be tortured by madmen.

99 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:45:14am

re: #88 looking closely

They say politics makes strange bedfellows, though given its track record you pretty much have to take everything Debka says with a gigantic nugget of salt.

Weren't those two in the same special unit together?

100 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:45:31am

re: #95 jorline

i love that they will be opening fire on the us troops with us paid for weapons.

101 jamgarr  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:45:38am

General Inhospitable

102 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:45:48am
103 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:46:01am

re: #87 gop_patriot

A teleprompter at a rodeo? Where'd he plug it in? I hope there are pictures of that...

I can see Obama meeting with Dinnerjacket, teleprompter at his side. With 300 foreign policy advisers madly type responses to Dinnerjacket.

104 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:46:14am

re: #99 The Other Les

Weren't those two in the same special unit together?

Yup, but about 20 years apart.

105 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:46:48am

re: #103 jcm

god that would be a funny cartoon

106 shibumi  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:47:16am

re: #62 Behead Me Bob

Throw in some BFN (brief frontal nudity) to really add to the excitement.
/Can't imagine how BFN is more offensive than public beheadings.

Nudity is totally more offensive. A while back, Dr. Dean Edell (spelling?) did a brief segment on his radio show about sex in the Muslim world- I think he was talking about Egypt in particular. You know, modern, normal Egypt. Edell mentioned all the Islamic rules about seeing each other naked (a big no-no), allowed positions (not really many) and so on. The strange part was that he honestly seemed to be shocked by the things that were going on in this day and age in that part of the world.

107 redshirt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:47:23am

Um, I just bought the rights to distribute "Tila Tequila" into the muslim market.
Should I be worried?

108 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:47:31am

re: #94 ErnieG

Here you go.

Thanks, that's kind of pitiful isn't it.

If he can't trust himself to remember what to say, and to say the right things in a Obama-centric environment like a campaign rally, how the hell can he be trusted to think and respond in an impromptu, unscripted conversation with world leaders (or in his case, dictators/our enemies)?

109 looking closely  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:47:36am

re: #99 The Other Les

Weren't those two in the same special unit together?

I think they were both in Sayeret Matkal, the Israeli special forces, though not at the same time.

Interestingly, both have high-level American educations, Netanyahu at MIT, and Barak at Stanford.

110 laZardo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:47:37am

Goin' to bed now. G'night!

111 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:47:54am

re: #77 Sharmuta

What would really shock these clerics wouldn't be a soap opera from Turkey, but a reality show of their own royals living the life of hypocrisy right there in the "holy land" of arabia. Heh.

I'm sure the "holy" men are fully aware of the hypocrisy and participate to the fullest with every chance they get.

112 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:48:00am

re: #87 gop_patriot

A teleprompter at a rodeo? Where'd he plug it in? I hope there are pictures of that...

rodeo people will have no respect for someone who shows up w/ a script.
at such an informal setting why can't he just speak honestly and openly to them?
he's going to look like a buffoon. because he is one.

113 trolldisliker  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:48:04am

Golden arches? Drop a Wal mart in the busiest city in Iran and alll the burquaed? women will take over the country to keep it.

114 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:48:28am
115 shibumi  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:48:32am

re: #85 crazytraveler

I really think that the US needs to start carpetbombing Saudi Arabia with as many bootleg copies of US TV shows as possible. If people get bent out of shape with a soap opera, can you imagine what other shows would cause?

LOST would totally freak them out I think. At least the brief parts of it that I've seen.

116 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:48:36am

re: #99 The Other Les

Weren't those two in the same special unit together?

Yep:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

117 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:49:14am

re: #101 jamgarr

General Inhospitable

The Old and the Stupid.

118 jamgarr  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:50:11am

Daze Of Our Lives

119 looking closely  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:50:54am

re: #109 looking closely

Also, the rumor is that Barak personally commanded the recent Israeli attack on the North-Korean manufactured nuke plant in Syria.

120 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:50:58am

re: #108 gop_patriot

Thanks, that's kind of pitiful isn't it.

If he can't trust himself to remember what to say, and to say the right things in a Obama-centric environment like a campaign rally, how the hell can he be trusted to think and respond in an impromptu, unscripted conversation with world leaders (or in his case, dictators/our enemies)?

Well, and he's probably giving basically the same speech over and over like most do. I mean, how long does it take him to learn his own basic points? LOL

121 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:51:14am

re: #107 redshirt

Um, I just bought the rights to distribute "Tila Tequila" into the muslim market.
Should I be worried?

Oooh, a fatwa upon you just for mentioning that show. LOL

122 jorline  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:51:33am

OT

Charles...FYI

123 opinionated  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:51:50am

Islam- A religion of peace and really harsh TV critics.

124 jamgarr  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:52:37am

As The World Burns

125 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:52:52am

The NYTs makes an effort for this years Pulitzer Journalism Award with this hard hitting piece.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Didn't they write a Broadway Show about this? HAIR?

126 callahan23  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:53:06am

Another fatwa victim that luckily to this day lives.
Albeit in constant thread of being killed.
- The most courageous woman of the world: Ayaan Hirsi Ali
just received the 'Anisfield-Wolf Book Awards' in Cleveland as the winner for best nonfiction book for her memoir "Infidel."
All done in absolute secrecy to not endanger her or the audiences security.

127 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:53:14am
128 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:53:23am

re: #103 jcm

I can see Obama meeting with Dinnerjacket, teleprompter at his side. With 300 foreign policy advisers madly type responses to Dinnerjacket.

HAHA! Exactly

129 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:54:12am

re: #103 jcm

I can see Obama meeting with Dinnerjacket, teleprompter at his side. With 300 foreign policy advisers madly type responses to Dinnerjacket.

Reminds me of that cell-phone commercial.

130 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:54:44am

Probably a safe bet you won't see Southpark in the Misogynist Kingdom.

131 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:54:50am
132 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:56:32am

re: #106 shibumi

Nudity is totally more offensive. A while back, Dr. Dean Edell (spelling?) did a brief segment on his radio show about sex in the Muslim world- I think he was talking about Egypt in particular. You know, modern, normal Egypt. Edell mentioned all the Islamic rules about seeing each other naked (a big no-no), allowed positions (not really many) and so on. The strange part was that he honestly seemed to be shocked by the things that were going on in this day and age in that part of the world.

For married couples?

133 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:56:35am

Micheal Yon has a new report from Afghanistan, well worth reading the whole thing. I found this bit about the tough manly Afghanis rather amusing:

On Thursday nights, the ANA have what the Brits call “man-love” night, or “man-love Thursdays.” Interestingly, Iraqis would sometimes say that a man is not a homosexual unless he has sex with other men when he is over thirty. At that age, they say, a man should stop, or else he’s a homosexual, which is a perversion of faith. I recall reading Ahmed Rashid’s fantastic and prescient book Taliban, which was published before the war. Mr. Rashid described a tank battle waged between warlords over the services of a young boy. Boys are for pleasure, women are for babies, they say.

134 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Well, and he's probably giving basically the same speech over and over like most do. I mean, how long does it take him to learn his own basic points? LOL

My theory, he can't trust himself. His inner RED slips out every now and then when he goes off script. He has to keep the rhetoric palatable to the proletariat at least till after the election.

135 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:56:57am

re: #126 callahan23

Another fatwa victim that luckily to this day lives.
Albeit in constant thread of being killed.
- The most courageous woman of the world: Ayaan Hirsi Ali
just received the 'Anisfield-Wolf Book Awards' in Cleveland as the winner for best nonfiction book for her memoir "Infidel."
All done in absolute secrecy to not endanger her or the audiences security.

it is so reprehensible and unacceptable that this brave woman must receive an honor like this in secrecy. look how these scum are curtaining our lives.
makes me sick. the barbarians really are at the door.

136 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:57:24am

re: #94 ErnieG

Here you go.

There's an odd caption: "Obama delivered his remarks at the Colorado State Fair of a teleprompter."

137 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:57:38am

Interesting that the Arab producers are pissed.

Not many screenings of Fiddler on the Roof type shows allowed in ANY Arab/Muslim country.

And they produce numerous types of Protocols of the Lizards of Zion shown at all times.

And the blood libels.

Much like the British, they only give a shit when they realize that the arrow can be pointed at them, and not just at the Joos.

138 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:57:44am

Apparently, the "glory hole" is a Islamic contribution to the world.

139 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #132 MandyManners

For married couples?

Yes...

140 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #101 jamgarr

General Inhospitable

hahahahahahhahahahahaha

141 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:58:23am

re: #134 jcm

My theory, he can't trust himself. His inner RED slips out every now and then when he goes off script. He has to keep the rhetoric palatable to the proletariat at least till after the election.

And adding a further theory to that, it could very well be that is the same reason Michelle has not been seen much here of late.

142 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 9:59:15am

re: #139 scottishbuzzsaw

Yes...

How to wipe your butt. How to have sex. How to do just about anything.

Islam, the Religion of Nosiness.

143 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:07am

re: #132 MandyManners

For married couples?

Yes.

144 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:07am
“You can’t put the consumer back in the box,” he said.

Statistics compiled for MBC indicate that one episode of Turkish soap “Noor” reached an audience of 85 million, half of whom were women, in early August. There are around 300 million Arabic-speakers throughout the Middle East and North Africa.

This is real power for change.

For your viewing pleasure, here is a vid of the Turkish star of Noor, Kivanc Tatlitug, who is breathtakingly gorgeous. As Mohanned in Noor, he is also smart, modern, supportive, and understanding. ME women see him, and they want a man like that.

145 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:20am

Last update - 19:34 16/09/2008

Former U.S. secretaries of state say they support talks with Iran

By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service

Tags: Iran, United States

Five former U.S. secretaries of state on Monday announced their support for talks with Iran, with all five saying the United States should not wait to launch diplomatic engagements with the Islamic Republic.

The former chief diplomats, Madeleine K. Albright; James A. Baker, III; Warren Christopher; Henry A. Kissinger; and Colin L. Powell issued their support for talks during a roundtable discussion entitled "The Next President: A World of Challenges," held at Washington D.C.'s George Washington University.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Thanks, but NO THANKS!

146 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:25am

re: #142 MandyManners

How to wipe your butt. How to have sex. How to do just about anything.

Islam, the Religion of Nosiness.

The Home Owner's Association from Hell.

147 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:28am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

And adding a further theory to that, it could very well be that is the same reason Michelle has not been seen much here of late.

i bet she hates that muzzle.

148 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:29am

re: #142 MandyManners

1400 years of inbreeding will do that.

149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:00:50am

re: #132 MandyManners

For married couples?

Never heard of Islamic foreplay?

"Brace yourself!"

150 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:01:45am

re: #148 pegcity

1400 years of inbreeding will do that.

Yeah, they're all inbred. All billion or so of 'em.

151 jamgarr  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:02:23am

re: #150 Cognito

Yeah, they're all inbred. All billion or so of 'em.

LOL!

152 de La Valette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:02:29am

Its a shame Hollywood isn't on our side in this war.

If some crappy, over-dubbed Turkish soaps reach that audience, imagine the damage they could do with some well produced, sexy shows that gut the Saudi ethos - just like they tried to do here.

153 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:03:04am

re: #143 Sharmuta

Yes.

re: #146 CIA Reject

The Home Owner's Association from Hell.

re: #148 pegcity

1400 years of inbreeding will do that.

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never heard of Islamic foreplay?

"Brace yourself!"

Those clerics have waaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands.

154 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:03:22am

But why do they hate us?

/Hollywood

155 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:03:37am

Maybe they can crack open the sets and kill the magic puppets.

156 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:03:44am

re: #150 Cognito

Yeah, they're all inbred. All billion or so of 'em.

The family tree looks like a telephone pole, eh?

157 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:04:02am

re: #156 CIA Reject

The family tree looks like a telephone pole, eh?

I'm not sure you're getting the joke, there.

158 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:04:20am

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never heard of Islamic foreplay?

"Brace yourself!"

Wasn't that a line in Mrs. Doubtfire..."Brace yourself, Effie!"

159 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:04:31am

re: #153 MandyManners

You mean the thought of having sex while wearing a tablecloth doesn't excite you?

160 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:04:52am

re: #157 Cognito

I'm not sure you're getting the joke, there.

Nor I you :-)

161 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:05:09am

re: #156 CIA Reject

mohammed
|
ahmed
|
Mhammed
|
Muhammed

and on and on until 1400 years later you have pakistan

162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:05:10am

re: #158 scottishbuzzsaw

Wasn't that a line in Mrs. Doubtfire..."Brace yourself, Effie!"

Old, old joke

163 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:05:34am

re: #159 Sharmuta

Gonna' hafta' refrain.

164 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:05:57am

re: #146 CIA Reject

The Home Owner's Association from Hell.

Great analogy.

My husband and I went to one homeowners' assoc meeting. We realized we totally didn't fit in when one member mentioned that they had noticed that the entire back yard of one house was filled with a massive jungle gym - my husband and I blurted out "Cool!" at the same time.

165 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:05:57am

Mostly, Islam is men keeping their women covered up and ignorant. They can't continue to do this in today's age of information.

166 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:05:59am

Now now, let's avoid "sex through a hole in the sheet" libel.

167 de La Valette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:06:01am

re: #133 Kenneth

I have been looking for a study on the long term effects of adolescent sexual abuse in Arab society. We know it lead to violent and sadistic behavior in individuals - sociopaths. What happens when a society embraces it?

168 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:06:04am

re: #157 Cognito

I'm not sure you're getting the joke, there.

Sometimes your irony is too pointless to laugh.

169 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #133 Kenneth

Micheal Yon has a new report from Afghanistan, well worth reading the whole thing. I found this bit about the tough manly Afghanis rather amusing:

From the link:

Boys are for pleasure, women are for babies, they say.

In other words, NAMBLA is as welcome in that part of the world as NAMBAA.

170 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #156 CIA Reject

The family tree looks like a telephone pole, eh?

More like a ladder.

171 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:06:13am

re: #163 MandyManners

Gonna' hafta' refrain.

Where's the fun in that?!

172 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:06:32am

re: #160 CIA Reject

Nor I you :-)

Although I grant you it'd be a mighty long telephone pole :-)

173 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:07:00am

re: #150 Cognito

Boyo, is my SarcFilter up to speed or what?!

Speaking of marriage, from the previous thread - Someone said Rush mentioned on air that Bill Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn have rings made from a U.S. Aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. I'd like to find out if that information has legs, but really don't have a clue as to how to find out if it's true. Anybody?

/I figured everybody wants to know what you have to say, Cognito...

174 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:07:06am

re: #150 Cognito

Yeah, they're all inbred. All billion or so of 'em.

I see your point. Of course, all billion or so are not culturally homogeneous. But even the Saudis are recognizing the public health implications of the fact that in some districts of the Kingdom, over 60% of marriages are between cousins.

175 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:07:25am

re: #167 de La Valette

I have been looking for a study on the long term effects of adolescent sexual abuse in Arab society. We know it lead to violent and sadistic behavior in individuals - sociopaths. What happens when a society embraces it?

You get Islam.

176 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:07:35am

re: #161 pegcity


LOL!

177 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #166 Ben Hur

Now now, let's avoid "sex through a hole in the sheet" libel.

Where's the fun in that?!

178 callahan23  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #135 nyc redneck

it is so reprehensible and unacceptable that this brave woman must receive an honor like this in secrecy. look how these scum are curtaining our lives.
makes me sick. the barbarians really are at the door.

The barbarians really are at the door? They are already in the house. Why else would she need constant protection not only in Dhimmistan-Europe but also right in the US, in Cleveland?
You are spot on about 'scum' et.al.

179 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:08:05am

So why do these same clerics spend so much time staring at the naked female prisoners the Morality Police drag in? (only females are stripped)

180 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:08:49am
an audience of 85 million, half of whom were women

So the other half of soap watchers are men, or is there another catagory?

181 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:08:55am

re: #179 pat

um research

182 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:10:07am

Do not be arrogant and fool yourself, the Islamists are not simply backward illiterates. They are very wired in to post-modern concepts of language deconstruction. They get along well with socialist elites in the West because they both use similar tools in the quest for power. They seek to shape and control the flow of information so as to control the people who receive those messages.

183 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:10:38am

re: #164 Catttt

Great analogy.

My husband and I went to one homeowners' assoc meeting. We realized we totally didn't fit in when one member mentioned that they had noticed that the entire back yard of one house was filled with a massive jungle gym - my husband and I blurted out "Cool!" at the same time.

You too eh? I'm still waiting for a fatwa from my HOA for my birdbath....

184 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:10:48am

re: #180 Silhouette

So the other half of soap watchers are men, or is there another catagory?

Over there? Goats and children.

185 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:10:49am

they need the soap operas so badly.
the koran just doesn't quite measure up.
who would open up 'that book' when they could see some nice real life melodrama?

186 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:03am

re: #180 Silhouette

So the other half of soap watchers are men, or is there another catagory?

Well, my dog watches tv . . .

187 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:03am

re: #21 CIA Reject

All my children bombs.


my children bombs

188 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:08am

re: #182 lifeofthemind

Do not be arrogant and fool yourself, the Islamists are not simply backward illiterates. They are very wired in to post-modern concepts of language deconstruction. They get along well with socialist elites in the West because they both use similar tools in the quest for power. They seek to shape and control the flow of information so as to control the people who receive those messages.

189 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:15am

I don't think anyone could deny that their response to the Turkish Telenovellas (soap operas) is disgusting, but does that mean that we really have to go as far as stating that we do not understand where they are coming from?

We of course do not support death threats as a response to TV programs we don't like; and

We of course support the producers right to produce any TV programs they wish; but

personally, I can understand the concern of the Clerks, having seen what trashy, sex driven, immoral media and TV has done to our own culture.

190 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:16am

re: #180 Silhouette

would you be shocked to find out men in the middle east watch soaps, i mean hello they are like the ancient greeks, women are for having babies, the real men have man friends.

191 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:36am

re: #188 Ben Hur


Meant to write, VERY TRUE.

well said.

192 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:50am

re: #166 Ben Hur

you mean that's not true?

/yes I am only joking, i know it is NOT TRUE.

193 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:12:28am

re: #182 lifeofthemind

Been reading 1984, have we?

194 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:12:31am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

And adding a further theory to that, it could very well be that is the same reason Michelle has not been seen much here of late.

That's the sour look on her face, she can't stands the BS he has to spew during his speeches.

195 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:12:46am

The Saudi's are right. There's too much murder and cross-generational sex going on in soap operas. Television specials about slaughtering Meccan tribes and Muhammad's bride Aisha would be much more moral.

196 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:13:10am

re: #189 WrathofG-d

personally, I can understand the concern of the Clerks, having seen what trashy, sex driven, immoral media and TV has done to our own culture.

I agree on the point, no question. My issue is having the choice to watch or not, or having the choice made for you. That's my sticky wicket.

197 callahan23  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:13:37am

re: #180 Silhouette

So the other half of soap watchers are men, or is there another catagory?

My cat does occasionally engulf in watching TV.

198 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:13:45am

Islam, the Religion of the Down-Low.

199 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:13:55am

re: #185 nyc redneck

they need the soap operas so badly.
the koran just doesn't quite measure up.
who would open up 'that book' when they could see some nice real life melodrama?

Look- no matter what people think of soap operas- they are among the most successful programs on TV. Many of them have been on the air for decades. The reason is people want an escape from their lives, and the fantasy and drama of soaps is enough for them. If there were ever a people more in need of an escape from the reality of their miserable lives, I could think of no better group than muslims.

200 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:10am

re: #167 de La Valette

This series might suit your purposes:

The Arab Mind

Introduction:

Everyday the incompatibility of the Western world view and the Arab (Islamist) world view becomes clearer. Read the newspapers, watch the talk shows and the news readers, survey the blogs, and you can only come away with the impression that we do not understand our enemies (and this doesn't even include all those who do not even realize we have enemies) and our enemies, though they manipulate us well at times, do not understand what makes us who we are.

Culture is the sum total of the character traits of the people who constitute that culture. Character evolves from an infantile neurological set of tendencies (what Stella Chess referred to as temperament) through a complex interaction with the primary caregivers, usually the Mother, later expanding to include the Father (especially important in the formation of the Superego), and finally shaped by interaction with the greater, existing culture. As a result, cultures typically evolve slowly. In the West, most notably in Europe, we can see how the culture that has been brought into their midst by Muslim immigrants has interfered with assimilation (not that the Europeans have made assimilation easy or appealing) and is increasingly asserting itself in muscular and often violent ways.

There are some 15 chapters in the archives dealing with a variety of topics, some specifically with the topic of child abuse as a cultural norm.

201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:23am

re: #198 MandyManners

Islam, the Religion of the Down-Low.

Nobody has to know.

202 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:24am

re: #179 pat
"(only females are stripped)" Really? I'd a thought young boys would be, too!

203 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:27am

re: #164 Catttt

Great analogy.

My husband and I went to one homeowners' assoc meeting. We realized we totally didn't fit in when one member mentioned that they had noticed that the entire back yard of one house was filled with a massive jungle gym - my husband and I blurted out "Cool!" at the same time.


but did someone have the nerve to put up a clothesline?

204 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:39am

re: #189 WrathofG-d

Somebody should send those idiots a copy of CLERKS. And then watch the heads explode.

205 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:40am

i would love to see all my fatima's

206 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:48am

re: #196 MrSilverDragon

I agree on the point, no question. My issue is having the choice to watch or not, or having the choice made for you. That's my sticky wicket.

Wholeheartedly agree! I was trying to express that exact point in my post as well. (maybe I didn't do such a great job)

207 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:15:25am

re: #199 Sharmuta

how about corination street, that show is full of nothing but poor ugly alcoholics.

208 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:15:57am

My take on Pakistan. We need to secure the nukes, with as much force as needed and without regard to collateral damage. We must secure them now. After that we can let India take the Punjab and the rest of Kashmir. If that means that 50 million unhappy Muslims threaten to riot then we should encourage India to kick them out over the border to Afghanistan, where they will starve.

The post WW-II doctrine that the civilian populations of conquered territories are inviolate is a fraud that has been used to destabilize the West. Stalin moved tens of millions around like pieces on a game board. The whole idea of protecting civilians from becoming refugees was based on a 19th century concept that these non-combatants were innocents who could not be held responsible for the actions that an aristocratic government carried out. That has no applicability to the world of mass movements and never was relevant to the conduct of members of trans-national movements like the Ummah. Israel is not responsible for the Palestinians. The rule has to be if your "Leaders" start a war or you and your community support aggression, violence and hatred then you can expect to suffer.

Should we send 100,000 men into Karachi and the Sind? I'd much rather for now see us using our air power to destroy the poppy crops and seal off the hinterlands. Our better return for expenditure of power now would be to hit Iran, remove the Mullahs and secure the Energy supplies, For God's sake why are we being circumspect about that and cringing when some idiot screams "No blood for oil!" The oil is the only thing over there worth fighting for. Other than that we just want them to leave us alone and not send things, opium, bombs, maniacs, in our direction. Once we have done that then the barbarians will be outflanked and the Russians will be unable to use the Pathans to outflank us. That will allow the Americans, Indians and Chinese to sit down and craft a plan for greater Afghanistan that meets all of our needs.

209 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:16:16am

re: #190 pegcity

would you be shocked to find out men in the middle east watch soaps, i mean hello they are like the ancient greeks, women are for having babies, the real men have man friends.

No offense, but I'm gonna have to take the view of Andrew Dice Clay on that one: I don't see how a man can look at another man's hairy ass and say to himself "Huh! I got to have somma that".

210 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:16:21am

re: #204 The Other Les

"you _____ how many guys?"

(ok, so I figure you were making fun of my use of "clerks" instead of "Clerics". Yea, after I mistyped I noticed it, but figured I liked it better. No harm in laughing at myself)

211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:16:25am

re: #204 The Other Les

Somebody should send those idiots a copy of CLERKS. And then watch the heads explode.

Randall alone would necessitate several dozen fatwa.

212 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #165 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Mostly, Islam is men keeping their women covered up and ignorant. They can't continue to do this in today's age of information.

"how you gonna keep'em on the farm after they've seen karl hungus."

/the dude

213 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:16:46am

re: #199 Sharmuta

Look- no matter what people think of soap operas- they are among the most successful programs on TV. Many of them have been on the air for decades. The reason is people want an escape from their lives, and the fantasy and drama of soaps is enough for them. If there were ever a people more in need of an escape from the reality of their miserable lives, I could think of no better group than muslims.

i think you were agreeing w/ me.

214 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:17:13am

re: #213 nyc redneck

Absolutely I was.

215 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:17:49am

re: #190 pegcity

would you be shocked to find out men in the middle east watch soaps, i mean hello they are like the ancient greeks, women are for having babies, the real men have man friends.

Ever been to the Middle East?

216 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #213 nyc redneck

Sorry, Sweetie. I used your post to make a larger point, not to disagree with you.

217 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:14am

re: #208 lifeofthemind

another reason for congress to veto the sale of F16's to pakistan.

218 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:37am
219 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:02am

re: #215 Cognito

yes i have, lots of bearded old men holding hands with little boys, Shudder

220 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #204 The Other Les

Somebody should send those idiots a copy of CLERKS. And then watch the heads explode.

"Salsa Shark. We're gonna need a bigger boat! Man goes into cage, cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa, our shark."

221 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:22am

re: #216 Sharmuta

Sorry, Sweetie. I used your post to make a larger point, not to disagree with you.

i know,
;)

223 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:41am

re: #219 pegcity

yes i have, lots of bearded old men holding hands with little boys, Shudder

Holding hands?

The horror.

They're probably having sex, right?

/don't tell our Presidents

224 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:50am

re: #174 ErnieG

I see your point. Of course, all billion or so are not culturally homogeneous. But even the Saudis are recognizing the public health implications of the fact that in some districts of the Kingdom, over 60% of marriages are between cousins.

But I'm sure they don't say "Squeal like a pig". Maybe "Bray like a camel"

225 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:21:00am

re: #210 WrathofG-d

"you _____ how many guys?"

(ok, so I figure you were making fun of my use of "clerks" instead of "Clerics". Yea, after I mistyped I noticed it, but figured I liked it better. No harm in laughing at myself)

I was under the impression that clerk could be used as a alternate form of cleric.

:-)

226 redheadredstate  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:21:18am

# 144 Catttt

Yeow! No wonder people are resisting this Fatwa!

227 kansas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:21:33am

“You can’t put the consumer back in the box,” he said.

First you kill him. Then put him in the box.

228 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:21:59am

re: #179 pat

So why do these same clerics spend so much time staring at the naked female prisoners the Morality Police drag in? (only females are stripped)

their like three year olds playing "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" with their cousins but the cousins refused to show them:)

229 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:01am

Here's a novel perspective on winning at politics: the winning candidate is usually the one with the better sense of humor.

Consider:

John F Kennedy v Richard Nixon: No contest

Lyndon Baines Johnson v Barry Goldwater:

BG campaign slogan: "In your heart, you know he's right."

LBJ campaign retort (directed at BG): "In your guts, you know he's nuts."

A win for LBJ.

Richard Nixon v Hubert Humphrey: The Democrats were so soured by the violence at their convention that even though HH had a better sense of humor, he was never able to show it. A wash.

Nixon v Walter Mondale: Neither showed much of a sense of humor.

Jerry Ford v Jimmy Carter: A post-Watergate anomaly since Ford had a much more evident sense of humor but was tarred with Nixon and Watergate.

Ronald Reagan v Carter; No contest

George HW Bush v Michael Dukakis: Does anyone know if MD even had a sense of humor?

Bill Clinton v GHWB: Clinton by a large margin.

BC v Bob Dole: While BD had a good sense of humor, it was never evident in his campaign, which was marked by earnestness.

George W Bush v Al Gore: Has any Presidential candidate been as gloomy as Al Gore?

GWB v John Kerry: I take that last comment back; JK made AG look positively buoyant.

On this score, McCain/Palin are sure to win against Obama's humorless self-regard and Biden's gaffe-laffs.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:04am
231 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:08am

re: #218 Ben Hur

Palin Bags a Bigfoot

Hilarious!

232 layzrydr  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:38am

When they're done killing the Turks, they should move to LA.

I don't disagree with everything the IslamoPsychos want to do.

233 kansas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:52am

re: #209 maddogg

No offense, but I'm gonna have to take the view of Andrew Dice Clay on that one: I don't see how a man can look at another man's hairy ass and say to himself "Huh! I got to have somma that".


Not that there's anything wrong with that.

234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:22am

re: #210 WrathofG-d

"you _____ how many guys?"

(ok, so I figure you were making fun of my use of "clerks" instead of "Clerics". Yea, after I mistyped I noticed it, but figured I liked it better. No harm in laughing at myself)

IN A ROW!?

235 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:29am

re: #231 debutaunt

Hilarious!


Hey now...

236 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:32am

re: #223 Cognito

I refer you to Yon's latest report:

On Thursday nights, the ANA have what the Brits call “man-love” night, or “man-love Thursdays.” Interestingly, Iraqis would sometimes say that a man is not a homosexual unless he has sex with other men when he is over thirty. At that age, they say, a man should stop, or else he’s a homosexual, which is a perversion of faith. I recall reading Ahmed Rashid’s fantastic and prescient book Taliban, which was published before the war. Mr. Rashid described a tank battle waged between warlords over the services of a young boy. Boys are for pleasure, women are for babies, they say.

I also recommend you read Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Culturally, they aren't being "gay" they're just being manly men having sex with youths.

237 calcajun  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:34am

Well, when can we expect the Arab equivalent of "Three's Company", and "Charlie's Angels"? Then, and only then will we know we have won the Culture War! /

238 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:56am

re: #235 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hey now...

Sorry about your loss.

LOL!

239 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:25:14am

re: #236 Kenneth

I had a friend serve in Afghanistan. He told me all about Man Love Thursdays.

240 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:25:37am

re: #208 lifeofthemind

My take on Pakistan. We need to secure the nukes, with as much force as needed and without regard to collateral damage. We must secure them now. After that we can let India take the Punjab and the rest of Kashmir. If that means that 50 million unhappy Muslims threaten to riot then we should encourage India to kick them out over the border to Afghanistan, where they will starve.

The post WW-II doctrine that the civilian populations of conquered territories are inviolate is a fraud that has been used to destabilize the West. Stalin moved tens of millions around like pieces on a game board. The whole idea of protecting civilians from becoming refugees was based on a 19th century concept that these non-combatants were innocents who could not be held responsible for the actions that an aristocratic government carried out.

Millions were "transferred" during Partition. A million more were murdered. (But of course, all we hear about is the "mistreatment" of the "Palestinians."

One very large problem though is that Pakistan's supply routes are vital to the war effort. (And clearly, Russia is no longer a viable replacement.)

241 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:26:02am

re: #237 calcajun

Well, when can we expect the Arab equivalent of "Three's Company", and "Charlie's Angels"? Then, and only then will we know we have won the Culture War! /

Three's Haram

Achmed's Martyrs

242 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:26:02am

re: #229 Kenneth

It goes to the overall concept of character and fitness - the ability to laugh, and to laugh at one's own failings or personal attacks suggests the ability to rise above such attacks and lead. If you get bogged down on those personal attacks... well, you get what you've gotten in Obama.

243 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:26:43am

re: #235 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hey now...

Bigfoot? You sound like the Larry Sanders announcer.

244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:26:45am

re: #241 Sharmuta

Three's Haram

Achmed's Martyrs

Burkawatch

245 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:26:49am

re: #236 Kenneth

I refer you to Yon's latest report:


I also recommend you read Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Culturally, they aren't being "gay" they're just being manly men having sex with youths.

By T.E. Lawrence. I read it. You are correct.

246 de La Valette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:19am

re: #186 reine.de.tout

maybe referring to foreign workers who they don't consider people.

247 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:19am

By the way, it's nice to see that the Iranian parliament is busy with issuing edicts of its own - namely authorizing indefinitely a law that requires nothing less than the death penalty for committing the crime of apostasy.

248 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:42am

re: #241 Sharmuta

Achmed's Martyrs

I foresee a lot of turnover.

249 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:21am

re: #208 lifeofthemind
I'm sorry, but there is so much that is wrong with your comment that I don't even have the time to begin with it, except to say that, while you're drawing your maps of the world, civilian deaths and refugees be damned, I do hope you'll keep in mind that everything you've said in that comment - aside from what I consider the amorality of it all - rests on your belief that we - the USA - KNOW where all of Pakistan's nukes are and that we can somehow put together sufficient amounts of ground forces to take them BEFORE the Paki's - understandably upset at our erasing their nation from the map of the world - get the chance to use them.

250 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:23am

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Burkawatch

THAT DID IT! My "Weird-O-Meter" just exploded. I'll be back later......

251 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:25am

re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ot:

Pretty funny movie the 1st time I watched it. Best line in the movie?:

"[T]ry not to s_________ on the way to the parking lot!."

(out of context though, I just seem like a perv. Such is life!

252 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:27am

re: #241 Sharmuta

Three's Haram

Achmed's Martyrs

Achmed's Martyrs has a new guest cast of martyrs each week.
It's really a reality show in which not only do families get their dishonored women to restore the family honor, but get extra money for doing so on TV.

253 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:37am

re: #248 Silhouette

I foresee a lot of turnover.

Yes, they blow up so fast, don't they?

254 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:54am

re: #232 layzrydr

When they're done killing the Turks, they should move to LA.

I don't disagree with everything the IslamoPsychos want to do.

What the fuck? You beleive KILLING producers is the answer to this?

255 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:30:07am

re: #239 Sharmuta

I had a friend serve in Afghanistan. He told me all about Man Love Thursdays.

Dang. In college, we had Dollar-Pitcher Night at Dante's on Thursdays.

256 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:30:16am

I predicted in the 1980's that when enough Soviet citizens acquired TVs, that empire would fall.

Hmmmmm.....

257 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:30:25am

re: #248 Silhouette

I foresee a lot of turnover.

I don't know why, business is booming.

258 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:30:25am

re: #247 lawhawk

By the way, it's nice to see that the Iranian parliament is busy with issuing edicts of its own - namely authorizing indefinitely a law that requires nothing less than the death penalty for committing the crime of apostasy.

Notice how the new Iranian law applies to anyone anywhere in the world... should Barack Hussein Obama be concerned? Under Sharia law, since his father was Muslim, Barack is automatically Muslim, too. Which means he his now an apostate, if we take him at his word.

259 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:30:36am

Survivor: Arabia

Trust us- this time, you really want that immunity idol, infidel!

260 gonecamping  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:03am

No wonder the Left loves the islamofacists....they are both intolerant to other points of view.

"My parents went to Mecca and all I got was this t-shirt and bomb vest."

Soon to be sold on CNN

261 WrathofG-d  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:08am

re: #254 MandyManners

What the fuck? You believe KILLING producers is the answer to this?

*shakes finger* tisk, tisk, tisk, your liberal use of French is becoming quite excessive these days.

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:24am
263 de La Valette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:26am

re: #200 Kenneth

Thank you. Looking for something clinical and peer reviewed.

264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:37am

re: #251 WrathofG-d

ot:

Pretty funny movie the 1st time I watched it. Best line in the movie?:

"[T]ry not to s_________ on the way to the parking lot!."

(out of context though, I just seem like a perv. Such is life!

Dont forget the follow up.

"GET BACK HERE!"

to the other guys hanging out in the parking lot.

265 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:57am

re: #255 MandyManners

Infidel whore!

266 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:18am

re: #247 lawhawk

By the way, it's nice to see that the Iranian parliament is busy with issuing edicts of its own - namely authorizing indefinitely a law that requires nothing less than the death penalty for committing the crime of apostasy.

And our forefathers were (rightly) upset at England for having a portion of taxes go to the Church of England. That, they felt, was too much.

1700s England was paradise compared to 21st century Iran, yet many of us died to get away from England. How much more it is worth our every effort to resist the disease that is in Iran from working its way into our homeland.

267 legalpad  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:24am

Hugo wants to censor the TV stations, Islamics want to kill the producers. What will it take for the American left to decide that the "communists" and the Islamics are nobody's friends?

268 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:39am

re: #256 Meremortal

I predicted in the 1980's that when enough Soviet citizens acquired TVs, that empire would fall.

Hmmmmm.....

The samizdat and mimeograph in Russian, and fax and copiers in Poland.
(CIA operations when the CIA was agreeable with America winning)

269 maddogg  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:57am

Maybe the Sharia courts in England will start with the death sentences this year. I suppose it's just a matter of time before they're chopping heads in London again.

270 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:00am

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Burkawatch

271 callahan23  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:07am

re: #247 lawhawk

By the way, it's nice to see that the Iranian parliament is busy with issuing edicts of its own - namely authorizing indefinitely a law that requires nothing less than the death penalty for committing the crime of apostasy.

Which in return gives them an easy 'legal' excuse to go after the Ba'ha'i whom they consider to be apostates.

272 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:24am

re: #232 layzrydr

Sniff, Sniff. That means your comment stinks.

273 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:28am

re: #232 layzrydr

Worthy of a clean-up effort.

274 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:34am

re: #236 Kenneth

The new NAMBLA - Nationalist Arab Man Boy Lovers Association.

275 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:45am

re: #261 WrathofG-d

*shakes finger* tisk, tisk, tisk, your liberal use of French is becoming quite excessive these days.

Tthhhhpppppppppppttttttttttttttttttt.

276 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:07am

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

Max: "Franz, here's money. Buy bullets. Kill the actors."

Leopold: "Max, are you crazy? Actors are people."

Max: "Oh, yeah? Have you ever eaten with one?"

--The Producers


"och! zat LSD and his "beebies"! zee furher never said zis beebie!"

277 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:09am

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

Max: "Franz, here's money. Buy bullets. Kill the actors."

Leopold: "Max, are you crazy? Actors are people."

Max: "Oh, yeah? Have you ever eaten with one?"

--The Producers

LOL!

278 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:12am

re: #267 legalpad

Hugo wants to censor the TV stations, Islamics want to kill the producers. What will it take for the American left to decide that the "communists" and the Islamics are nobody's friends?

Not till the lefties heads are literally on the chopping block and they scream for the guys with guns, realizing just as the blade falls they sold them out already.

279 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:46am

re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont forget the follow up.

"GET BACK HERE!"

to the other guys hanging out in the parking lot.

And of course...

Caitlin: What are you watching?
Randal: Children's programming.

280 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:47am

re: #267 legalpad

Hugo wants to censor the TV stations, Islamics want to kill the producers. What will it take for the American left to decide that the "communists" and the Islamics are nobody's friends?

The American Left wants to censor radio and kill Fox news. Birds of a feather. Of course the left approves of Chavez's actions.

281 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:16am

re: #265 Kenneth

Infidel whore!

Nah. All I did was sip Wild Turkey 101, shoot pool and pinch the occassional Frat butt in the crowd at the bar.

282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:25am

re: #279 Honorary Yooper

And of course...

Caitlin: What are you watching?
Randal: Children's programming.

Randal Graves: I don't appreciate your ruse, ma'am.
Indecisive Video Customer: I beg your pardon?
Randal Graves: Your ruse. Your cunning attempt to trick me.

283 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:34am

re: #267 legalpad

Hugo wants to censor the TV stations, Islamics want to kill the producers. What will it take for the American left to decide that the "communists" and the Islamics are nobody's friends?

They believe the leftists will be on their side. They'll be up in front of a firing squad in no time.

284 The Other Les  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:36:06am

re: #267 legalpad

Hugo wants to censor the TV stations, Islamics want to kill the producers. What will it take for the American left to decide that the "communists" and the Islamics are nobody's friends?

I don't even want to think about that one.

285 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:36:17am

re: #275 MandyManners

Tthhhhpppppppppppttttttttttttttttttt.

I miss Bill the Cat.

286 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:36:33am

re: #280 pat

The American Left wants to censor radio and kill Fox news. Birds of a feather. Of course the left approves of Chavez's actions.

Had a guy this week, in all seriousness, say that certain Christians should be barred from public office in the US.

Because they'd be fascists, you know. His irony meter didn't even blip.

287 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #275 MandyManners

Tthhhhpppppppppppttttttttttttttttttt.


I always wondered how that was spelled...

288 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:37:46am

re: #266 Silhouette

And our forefathers were (rightly) upset at England for having a portion of taxes go to the Church of England. That, they felt, was too much.

1700s England was paradise compared to 21st century Iran, yet many of us died to get away from England. How much more it is worth our every effort to resist the disease that is in Iran from working its way into our homeland.

In the 16th century, many Christian "heretics" fled to the Ottoman Empire which at that time had greater religious freedom than most of Europe. But by the 17th Century, Europe became more tolerant and the Ottomans much less. History is full of ironies.

289 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:38:17am

re: #287 scottishbuzzsaw

I always wondered how that was spelled...

That was all Bill ever 'said'.

290 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:38:22am

re: #280 pat

The American Left wants to censor radio and kill Fox news. Birds of a feather. Of course the left approves of Chavez's actions.

You took the words right out of my mouth right off of my keyboard. They want nothing more than to see Rush frog-marched out of his studio.

291 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:38:49am

re: #289 debutaunt

That was all Bill ever 'said'.

Aaaaaaack!

292 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:38:57am

re: #270 MandyManners


LMAO. I saw that awhile back and didn't save it . Thank you for posting it again, I gotta send that to my friends.

293 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #236 Kenneth

I refer you to Yon's latest report:

I also recommend you read Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Culturally, they aren't being "gay" they're just being manly men having sex with youths.

I'm well familiar with Lawrence and his work. And I'm well familiar with Arabic culture. (And I am familiar with some of Yon's other work, such as the baking-children assertion.)

There is indeed a streak of homosexuality throughout the Arab world, just as throughout the rest of the world. And, absurdly, their leaders deny it. But it's just as absurd to indicate -- as many have here -- that homosexuality is somehow endemic to Islam.

Those people need to grow up.

294 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:40:45am

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

It is all the more ironic in that there actually are "gay rights" organizations which align with the Islamists on both domestic issues, for the purpose of furthering their own "human rights" over civil rights agenda, and on foreign policy issues, where they empower the very people most hostile to their own existence.

I really get a kick out of the illogic of gay men.

Gay "marriage" seems to be the au currant hot button issue with them. Please. They're the most promiscuous group of people on the planet. The amount of gay men who dream of spending their golden years with "Mr. Right" pales by comparison to the ones who dream of coaxing the youngest, hottest stud into the sack. For the overwhelming majority of them, life won't change a bit if gay "marriage" is federally recognized.

And free from the financial burden of supporting a family, they're a relatively affluent group. In other words, they're far more likely to be affected by higher taxes and socialized medicine than by gay "marriage." Yet, they'll vote overwhelmingly for Obama (even though Obama opposes gay marriage).

295 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:41:02am

re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Randal Graves: I don't appreciate your ruse, ma'am.
Indecisive Video Customer: I beg your pardon?
Randal Graves: Your ruse. Your cunning attempt to trick me.

Customer: Cute cat. What's its name?
Randal: Annoying customer.
Customer: Fuckin' dickhead.

296 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:41:06am

re: #291 jwb7605

Aaaaaaack!

Hairballs aside. hahahaahahaha

297 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:41:55am

re: #281 MandyManners

Nah. All I did was sip Wild Turkey 101, shoot pool and pinch the occassional Frat butt in the crowd at the bar.

On 45th up toward Fremont?
That was you?

298 pegcity  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:42:21am

re: #294 David Simon

i live in canada and i can confirm that. Gay marriage was nothing more than a beating stick to take it to the man.

299 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:42:40am

ahmad ... does this burka make me look fatwa?

300 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:24am

re: #285 debutaunt

I miss Bill the Cat.

I know I should know this, but...who is/was Bill?

301 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:41am

re: #288 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - when you get a chance, please check your e-mail!

302 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:08am

re: #293 Cognito

I'm well familiar with Lawrence and his work. And I'm well familiar with Arabic culture. (And I am familiar with some of Yon's other work, such as the baking-children assertion.)

There is indeed a streak of homosexuality throughout the Arab world, just as throughout the rest of the world. And, absurdly, their leaders deny it. But it's just as absurd to indicate -- as many have here -- that homosexuality is somehow endemic to Islam.

Those people need to grow up.

homosexuality is sex with ADULTS of the same sex. sex with minors(whether male or female by male or female) is a peverion against nature and basic moral judgement.
/just to clear that point up

303 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:45:08am

re: #302 Spider Mensch

homosexuality is sex with ADULTS of the same sex. sex with minors(whether male or female by male or female) is a peverion against nature and basic moral judgement.
/just to clear that point up

Of course it is.

304 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:45:23am

re: #298 pegcity

i live in canada and i can confirm that. Gay marriage was nothing more than a beating stick to take it to the man.

Precisely.

305 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:45:48am

re: #293 Cognito

There is indeed a streak of homosexuality throughout the Arab world, just as throughout the rest of the world.

No there's not! Dinnerjacket said so at Columbia.

/

306 gymnast  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:45:52am

The guardians of Islam know that it cannot stand up to "Bay Watch" re-runs and underground counterfeit copies of tapes such as "Debbie Does Dallas". When the Bollywood production of "Noor Does Riyadh" hits the big screen, the jig is up for the whole Mohammadan charade as it is reduced to the lowest common denominator of the sleazy side of Western Civilization.

307 MeCurious  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:46:24am

Dennis Prager was just talking about Paul McCartney being threatened by the RoP if he goes to Israel to celebrate Israel's 60th anniversary. Since McCartney is going in spite of the threats, Prager suggested that everyone should buy one of Paul's CDs as a gesture of appreciation (not that he needs the money). I thought that was a great idea and just bought one at Amazon.com.

I hope Paul McCartney realizes that we appreciate his stance.

308 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:47:09am

re: #303 Cognito


Of course it is.

pimf perversion...someday these fingers may actually type coherently, but don't anyone go hold there breath.

309 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:49:19am

re: #300 scottishbuzzsaw

I know I should know this, but...who is/was Bill?

Google Bloom County.

310 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:50:19am

re: #293 Cognito

I'm well familiar with Lawrence and his work. And I'm well familiar with Arabic culture. (And I am familiar with some of Yon's other work, such as the baking-children assertion.)

There is indeed a streak of homosexuality throughout the Arab world, just as throughout the rest of the world. And, absurdly, their leaders deny it. But it's just as absurd to indicate -- as many have here -- that homosexuality is somehow endemic to Islam.

Those people need to grow up.

I think most here are motivated not by the idea that there might be homosexuals, nor the proposition that it is somehow endemic to Islam. It is the very rich hypocrisy of it that is worthy of many snarks that are common here. Goes in the same barrel as "Religion of Peace" - taunting that label doesn't mean the taunter asserts that all Muslims are violent.

311 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:50:21am

re: #309 debutaunt

Google Bloom County.

Gah! Of course...my memory these days....thanks.

312 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:51:41am

re: #294 David Simon

I really get a kick out of the illogic of gay men.

Gay "marriage" seems to be the au currant hot button issue with them. Please. They're the most promiscuous group of people on the planet. The amount of gay men who dream of spending their golden years with "Mr. Right" pales by comparison to the ones who dream of coaxing the youngest, hottest stud into the sack. For the overwhelming majority of them, life won't change a bit if gay "marriage" is federally recognized.

The real push behind gay marriage has never been about marriage, love, or commitment. It's about getting corporations to shoulder the cost of treating AIDS. A gay with a sick friend will get "married", then turn around and make his job pay for his new husband's medical bills.

313 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:52:09am
314 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #137 Ben Hur

"Noor" is apparently the most popular show in the Arab world. The women I read interviewed about it said that they loved it not because the husband was gorgeous, but because he treated his wife as an equal, listened to her and didn't abuse her.

I feel sorry for the women who are trapped in that life and want out.

315 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:53:39am

re: #307 MeCurious

You know that is an excellent point. I wonder what we could do collectively to get that message out to Sir Paul?

316 gonecamping  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:53:40am

re: #285 debutaunt

The Far Side is another daily I miss. I was amused that many of the 'characterizations' reminded me of people I have worked with or known.

317 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:44am

re: #232 layzrydr

I suspect your days here are numbered.

318 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:54am

re: #312 Lizard by the Bay

The real push behind gay marriage has never been about marriage, love, or commitment. It's about getting corporations to shoulder the cost of treating AIDS. A gay with a sick friend will get "married", then turn around and make his job pay for his new husband's medical bills.

Interesting. Why not just work for one of the many companies that offer "domestic partner" benefits though?

319 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:59am

re: #249 realwest

re: #208 lifeofthemind

I'm sorry, but there is so much that is wrong with your comment that I don't even have the time to begin with it, except to say that, while you're drawing your maps of the world, civilian deaths and refugees be damned, I do hope you'll keep in mind that everything you've said in that comment - aside from what I consider the amorality of it all - rests on your belief that we - the USA - KNOW where all of Pakistan's nukes are and that we can somehow put together sufficient amounts of ground forces to take them BEFORE the Paki's - understandably upset at our erasing their nation from the map of the world - get the chance to use them.

I have to agree with you realwest.

Lifeofthemind, your comment is not only factually out to lunch and strategically absurd, it's morally repugnant in the extreme. I usually find your comments intelligent and insightful... what happened?

320 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:55:31am

re: #227 kansas

Oy to the Vey!

321 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:55:54am

re: #319 Kenneth

{kenneth}

How are you?

322 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:57:15am

re: #203 Eowyn2

but did someone have the nerve to put up a clothesline?

No, but my husband and I built the world's largest, ugliest bird feeder, and no one complained. :D

323 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:57:34am

re: #101 jamgarr

Awesome! LOLOLOL!

324 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:57:47am

re: #321 WriterMom

Hey Mom! I'm doing fine. On vacation last week, crazy busy at work this week. Serves me right, I guess.

325 Cygnus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:58:42am

The Love Goat
The Bionic Jihadist
Jihadstar Galactica
Falafel Street - Miss Piggy gets blown up!

326 bj  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:59:31am

What did these "clerics" do before they had so much to spew and seethe about? Oh, yeah, the camels and goats were a lot more placid then, huh?

327 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:03:26am

re: #268 jcm

The samizdat and mimeograph in Russian, and fax and copiers in Poland.
(CIA operations when the CIA was agreeable with America winning)

(Roger that, SW)

----------
I was only half-serious when I made the prediction, but the free flow of information does seem to kill tyranny, if given enough time.

328 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:04:53am

re: #327 Meremortal

(Roger that, SW)

----------
I was only half-serious when I made the prediction, but the free flow of information does seem to kill tyranny, if given enough time.

Yep, that's why the Chinese are so insistent on locking down the 'net.

329 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:05:33am

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

On the one hand, one could argue that promiscuity in the homosexual community is fostered and encouraged by laws which are designed to encourage/force heterosexual couples to stay together (less so than formerly, but still to a great extent), but which do not extend even the possibility of such restrictions to homosexual couples.

On the other hand, it is instructive to read some of the manifestoes of the early gay rights movement, which specifically state as a goal the smashing of the concept of monogamy and heterosexual marriage. This raises the unwelcome but necessary question of whether the writers of those manifestoes--those that have survived the killer years of the AIDS epidemic--have had a change of heart, or whether the current push for gay marriage is merely a continuation of that early objective by other means.

I'm not totally convinced that the gay "marriage" movement is rooted in nihilism. It's possible, I guess, that it could have something to do with the fact that gays have historically been treated as an object of scorn, and perhaps, some see recognition of gay commitment as an affirmation of normality.

330 Cygnus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:05:48am

The Love Goat
The Bionic Jihadist
Jihadstar Galactica
Falafel Street - Miss Piggy gets blown up!

331 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:07:01am

re: #328 jcm

Good point.

332 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #322 Catttt

No, but my husband and I built the world's largest, ugliest bird feeder, and no one complained. :D

What does one feed to the world's largest, ugliest bird?

333 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:14:00am

re: #329 David Simon

some see recognition of gay commitment as an affirmation of normality.

I can understand that.

But in doing so, they are confusing tolerance and acceptance. They are demanding acceptance when all they have a right to is tolerance. In demanding the other guy accepts, they are stomping on the other guy's rights.

334 right_wing2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:17:35am

Do Saudi clerics raise money with Seethathons?

335 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:17:54am

OT and HOLY COW! the Dow just dropped >100 points in less than a minute!

336 David Simon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:21:44am

re: #333 Silhouette

I can understand that.

But in doing so, they are confusing tolerance and acceptance. They are demanding acceptance when all they have a right to is tolerance. In demanding the other guy accepts, they are stomping on the other guy's rights.

So true. No one, except for fringe kooks, is arguing that they should be disenfranchised or that sodomy laws should be revived. Yet to so many gays, advocating the defining of marriage as between one man and one woman is tantamount to bigotry.

337 Cygnus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:24:10am

re: #297 jcm

On 45th up toward Fremont?
That was you?

During the annual Solstice Festival?

338 iowavette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 12:37:35pm

There comes a point in every culture were fatwas against TV producers are a good thing.

339 iowavette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 12:38:28pm

Well, Ernie. There goes my retirement.

340 So?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 1:12:25pm

I think the Saudis should start their own reality TV show called:

Who Shall We Kill Today?

341 armaros  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 1:22:11pm

Here s Islamo Fascist George Galloway hosting an interview show on IRANIAN State sponsored TV, "Press TV".

He is "interviewing" the producer of Undercover Mosque II.

This is highly entertaining

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

342 steveoh  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:04:35pm

The Saudis were supposed to be sixth on the list of 'with us or against us" proclamation of GWB. Somehow, nation building and democracy in Iraq stood in the way.

I posted this on a dead thread this morning.

GWB and Co. made a promise to the American people that he would hunt down terrorists wherever they hid. He made his statement "Are you with us or against us?" First he went to Musharraff. He chose to be "with us" thus avoiding the overwhelming aerial onslaught which was soon to to begin the process of the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Two countries two choices. Then came Saddam. "Are you with us or against us?" Ok. Against. As a continuation of the new Middle East strategy in this time of war, the US forces overwhelmed the Iraqi's. A magnificent show of military mastery. The air assault and the march to Baghdad were terrific military moves. Possibly one of the greatest examples of military victory ever. At this point the US military is feared and positioned to the East and West of Iran. The obvious next move. Right then and there. Iran "are you with us or against us" Syria, "are you with us or against us"? One after the other. Instead Clintonian "nation building". No billions on building democracy, simply a systematic, nation by nation, big stick diplomacy. This at the height of military success. This was the plan, no? I was convinced it was, and excited by the prospect of the ultimatum and or military overthrow of the most immediate threats. Iran, Syria, Iraq. Then I thought the plan was to turn to our allies the Saudis and Egyptians, and at this point, feared and respected in the Arab world, ask the same question. "Are you with us or against us?" The Saudi Wahhabist's provide immense material and financial support to terrorist organizations, and use our own freedom's to infiltrate our Universities, Govt and any other institution they can. Now I don't put this all on the Executive branch, however at the time of the invasion of Iraq, the House and Senate were in Republican hands no?

I think GW blinked. This situation just sucks. The alternative, I believe, should have been a clear explanation to the American people that we are about to fight a war on several fronts if necessary. No WMD discussion. No Democracy for the Muslim world. A half wit should have known that Islam and Democracy are diametrically opposed. Sharia Law.

I hope McCain can get us back on track.

To those who were attacked by my day one Palin comments. I apologize. I was wrong. I was having a very bad day, and yes I fully understand this forum is a place for all of us. I took things far too personally.

343 crosspatch  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:38:48pm

Those Turks need to create a comedy with bumbling backwards clerics who go around demanding everyone have their heads chopped off. And have a scene at a local country club where a bunch of headless people hang out telling jokes, drinking, and watching TV or something.

The way to end their reign of intimidation is to laugh at them rather than be afraid of them. They need to be turned into laughingstocks and their following will whither.

344 missykrissy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:28:07pm

YOu know - this might just be what the Holly-Libs need to get their heads out of their fatwa'd arses.

Jihad-it-coming a few MSNutroot execs and see if terrorists are still so cute.

Not that I'm actually wishing ill on anyone or anything - I'm just saying... like in theory... abstractly... as a thought exercise.

345 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 8:42:38pm

Victoria Secrets Catalogs
Home Depot Catalogs
Ikea Catalogs
Lowes Catalogs
Toys R Us Catalogs

We put the entire muslim world on their mailing lists and in less than 6 months we will have won. Muslim women would begin nagging their husbands to improve the house (new fridge, couch, doors, windows, paint, etc), the husbands would be kept busy with Victoria Secrets while the children would be screaming about the really expensive toys. Yep, those men wouldn't have a chance.

There would be war crimes trials over doing something like this though.


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