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Politics | Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:58:31 pm PDT

It must not have been easy with Sarah Palin’s approval rating at 72% in Alaska, but Salon found two people willing to dish out negative gossip for their latest hit piece: Sarah Palin, Wasilla, book banning.

In what may be the source of those “Palin the book-burner” rumors, retired American Baptist Rev. Howard Bess says Palin wanted to ban his book. The book apparently argues that gays are the new Jesus.

Inevitably, his work brought him into conflict with Palin and other highly politicized Christian fundamentalists in the valley. “Things got very intense around here in the ‘90s — the culture war was very hot here,” Bess said. “The evangelicals were trying to take over the valley. They took over the school board, the community hospital board, even the local electric utility. And Sarah Palin was in the direct center of all these culture battles, along with the churches she belonged to.”

Bess’ first run-in with Palin’s religious forces came when he decided to write his book, “Pastor, I Am Gay.” The book was the result of a theological journey that began in the 1970s when Bess was asked for guidance by a closeted homosexual in his Santa Barbara congregation. After deep reflection on the subject, Bess came to the conclusion that “gay people were not sick, nor they were special sinners.”

In his book, Bess suggests that gays have a divine mission. “Look back at the life of our Lord Jesus. He was misunderstood, deserted, unjustly accused, and cruelly killed. Yet we all confess that it was the will of God, for by his wounds we are healed ... Could it be that the homosexual, obedient to the will of God, might be the church’s modern day healer-messiah?”

(If you really, really want to read the book, Amazon has it for $456.00.)

The other person willing to go on the record is a moonbat “progressive” musician known for a maudlin tribute to International Solidarity Movement heroine/terror supporter Rachel Corrie, that was canceled after a public outcry. Philip Munger is the first source I’ve seen who claims that Sarah Palin tried to get creationism into Alaskan schools. (The Associated Press said she had not.)

Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. “She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board,” said Munger, a music composer and teacher. “I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, ‘Sarah, how can you believe in creationism — your father’s a science teacher.’ And she said, ‘We don’t have to agree on everything.’

“I pushed her on the earth’s creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she’d seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them.”

Munger also asked Palin if she truly believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. “She looked in my eyes and said, ‘Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.’”

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1 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:00:23pm

A $436 Book?

2 paint-right  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:00:56pm

activists...hmmm

3 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:02:17pm

Sounds like a Salon of Liars & Thieves, to me!

4 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:02:23pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

A $436 Book?

Whoops, a 456.00 book, damn thing better be able to take the garbage out and wash the car!

5 J.D.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:04:46pm

Yawn

6 nikis-knight  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:06:25pm

First the Mat-Su Borough school board, then the world!

7 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:06:28pm

re: #5 J.D.

Yawn

End of thread.

8 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:06:36pm

Lame.

9 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:08:10pm
10 J.D.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:08:11pm

re: #7 itellu3times

This is daily from Salon, isn't it?
So tiresome.

11 stevieray  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:08:15pm

So, they found a few hyper partisan leftwing political animals who now claim to have heard Sarah say things nobody else heard.

/Hard evidence!

12 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:08:15pm

*snore*

13 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:09:47pm

Another unhappy gay. How unusual. Another unpatriotic America Leftist. How quaint.

14 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:10:09pm

So, lets go OT: Why Obama's Health Care Plan Is Better

First point, but typical of others:

- Learning. One-third of medical costs go for services at best ineffective and at worst harmful. Fifty billion dollars will jump-start the long-overdue information revolution in health care to identify the best providers, treatments and patient management strategies.

You see, if you just spend $50,000,000,000 to do whatever the heck this is supposed to include, electronic records and/or a whole boatload of epidemiology, then voila, nobody gets sick anymore, or gets treated with just a sprinkle of Obama-dust.

15 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:12:19pm

re: #11 stevieray

So, they found a few hyper partisan leftwing political animals who now claim to have heard Sarah say things nobody else heard.

/Hard evidence!

You would think they could find a ton more. I mean everyone that ever had a run in with her is probably being offered their 15 minutes of fame by any MSM outlet in the country.

This alone tells me she is the real deal.

16 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:13:38pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

A $436 Book?

The operative question is, exactly how many have sold at a price that anywhere in that vicinity.

It could be out of print and no one but the Faithful Few are interested in it, but some sharp-witted bookseller has a hunch that one of the Really Passionate Faithful Few will take the $436 plunge.

The bookseller might have paid a walk-in (with several shopping bags full of old books) a couple of bucks for it.

17 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:14:20pm
Could it be that the homosexual, obedient to the will of God, might be the church’s modern day healer-messiah?

/he must have been to the Folsum Street Fair

18 Dustyvet  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:14:29pm

re: #14 itellu3times

So, lets go OT: Why Obama's Health Care Plan Is Better

First point, but typical of others:

You see, if you just spend $50,000,000,000 to do whatever the heck this is supposed to include, electronic records and/or a whole boatload of epidemiology, then voila, nobody gets sick anymore, or gets treated with just a sprinkle of Obama-dust.

Obama-Dust...How much would a moon bat need to have on him, before an Intent to distribute charge could be added after a Narc busts him? :)

19 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:14:41pm

Just say anything you want, Salon

maybe she blew her nose on the ground by closing off one nostril with her finger, once.


23 years ago

et cetra

20 MrSnuggles  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:14:54pm

Why is the media so willing to investigate rumors about Palin with a devilish fervor but REFUSE to do any investigating about real, factual issues involving Obama?

21 gman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:15:00pm

a lot of anecdotal evidence but nothing solid- as usual
They're trying so hard to make their contrived fantasies become reality but the same old tricks just aren't working anymore.

22 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:15:48pm

Wow, books went up in price since I last looked.

23 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:16:23pm

re: #17 Killian Bundy

/he must have been to the Folsum Street Fair

/and that's alley came back with

24 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:16:30pm
25 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:17:00pm

1st issue: Librarian has gone on record stating that no request was ever made to ban any book --it was a rhetorical question could a book be banned and the answer was no. It was NEVER pushed.

2nd issue: Just nonsense.
She didn't push anything of the sort. In fact, some of her critics were persons who wanted her to push some of those things and she did not --would not.

26 jamgarr  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:17:04pm

Pretty friggin' thin

On the books thing - one question - Were any books banned? - Answer = No - Next Issue

27 gman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:17:15pm

Let's imagine the reverse of this situation- Salon highlighting what some right wingers overheard Obama say when they bumped into him at the local grocery store. Not going to happen.

28 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:17:24pm
“Things got very intense around here in the ‘90s — the culture war was very hot here,” Bess said. “The evangelicals were trying to take over the valley. They took over the school board, the community hospital board, even the local electric utility. And Sarah Palin was in the direct center of all these culture battles, along with the churches she belonged to.”

He makes it sound like a bunch of people in camo stormed city hall with assault rifles. Heaven forbid voters should choose candidates that share their values.

29 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:18:01pm

re: #20 MrSnuggles

Why is the media so willing to investigate rumors about Palin with a devilish fervor but REFUSE to do any investigating about real, factual issues involving Obama?

Vested interests.

30 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:18:46pm

re: #28 doppelganglander

He makes it sound like a bunch of people in camo stormed city hall with assault rifles. Heaven forbid voters should choose candidates that share their values.

OMG! They took over the local electric company. I wonder if they shut off power to anyone who disagreed with them?

31 ted  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:18:48pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

A $436 Book?

I ordered three.

One for the library in my San Francisco penthouse and the other for my Berkeley vacation home. The third copy I'm gonna donate to the Clinton library.

32 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:19:44pm

Snotgate

33 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:20:04pm

What is a "Valley Activist?" That alone lets you know that there is an agenda.
There really seems to be nothing that they won't throw at this woman, to see what sticks. Look for it to get a lot work if things keep trending against BHO.

34 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:20:14pm

re: #16 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The bookseller might have paid a walk-in (with several shopping bags full of old books) a couple of bucks for it.

You mean a bag lady?

35 godfrey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:20:38pm

What a pair!

lol

36 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:21:21pm
37 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:21:23pm

Frrrthiiit

38 J'accuzzi  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:21:28pm

I think the anti-Palin leftoids are like charlie brown trying to kick the football.

39 MrSnuggles  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:21:33pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Vested interests.

It was more of a rhetorical question, but it is excruciatingly frustrating to watch two potentially deadly blows to the Obama campaign being completely ignored. One being his connection to Fannie Mae and the other being his violation of the Logan ACt.

40 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:21:54pm

It's funny because it's pathetic.

41 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:21:59pm

Burma Shave.

42 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:22:13pm

re: #33 opnion

Activist to me generally means a malcontent with an ax to grind. Just as with the term community organizer, I often think agitator or rabble rouser is a much more accurate description.

43 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:22:37pm

Well, sort of makes one more admire the people of Alaska for their "public outcry" at a tribute to Rachel Corrie, doesn't it?

Shows they have common sense and good judgment!

44 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:22:38pm
Salon found two people willing to dish out negative gossip for their latest hit piece

/what, was Jesse Macbeth unavailable?

45 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:23:28pm

re: #20 MrSnuggles

Why is the media so willing to investigate rumors about Palin with a devilish fervor but REFUSE to do any investigating about real, factual issues involving Obama?


Well if you are referring to his support for infanticide, his Muslim past or his nefarious associations, then clearly you do not understand, that he is a Lightworker & transcendent figure.

46 Cognito  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:23:44pm

Apparently the good Pastor Bess hasn't seen Zombie's photos from the Bay area.

47 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:24:13pm

$456 used
or
$500 new

hmmm?

48 Geepers  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:24:20pm

Noam Sayin' (#40),

It's funny because it's pathetic.

True.

So how was the meet-up?

49 ted  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:24:21pm

Salon.com

Does anybody still this liberal fever swamp ?

50 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:24:33pm

re: #34 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The bookseller might have paid a walk-in (with several shopping bags full of old books) a couple of bucks for it.

You mean a bag lady?

Naw. Someone cleaning house, or just cleaning their bookshelves of what they haven't read in decades. I've done it many times.

A lot of the independent booksellers on Amazon (and, before that, on abebooks) are used-book stores, storefront operations who've discovered the Web as another sales vehicle.

51 Thanos  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:24:39pm

This falls into the category of cretinous desperation on Salon's part.
It's almost like they have to go this far over the edge just to keep the loons on the far left still voting for Barack, I think his slip from the top is turning into an avalanche of defeat.

52 ted  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:24:49pm

re: #49 ted

Salon.com

Does anybody still read this liberal fever swamp ?

53 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:25:15pm

What, they didn't interview the hag librarian that says that, "Palin doesn't like her"?

54 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:25:24pm

re: #33 opnion

There really seems to be nothing that they won't throw at this woman, to see what sticks.

I've heard "progressives" say the same thing about the "right-wing smear machine." This was after the Rev. Wright videos surfaced, and things were sticking. The junior senator from Illinois is no Teflon messiah.

55 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:25:32pm

Expensive book? that's a pittance...

Shakespeare’s First Folio, a first edition collection of the Bard’s plays was the most expensive book sold at auction in 2006, bringing $5.1 million USD.

56 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:25:55pm

re: #38 J'accuzzi

I think the anti-Palin leftoids are like charlie brown trying to kick the football.

Good grief, Lucy, you have some splainin' to do.

57 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:26:07pm

When I hear the word "Salon", I think of layabouts.

/lazy moochers

58 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:26:23pm

re: #46 Cognito

Apparently the good Pastor Bess hasn't seen Zombie's photos from the Bay area.

Then again, perhaps he has?
/hmmm

59 godfrey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:26:25pm

I told Salon they should've interviewed some moose, but did they listen?

60 lobo91  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:26:32pm

You know, all these "investigators" who are wandering around Wasilla looking for people who don't like Sarah Palin are starting to remind of James Carville's famous comment regarding finding Clinton-haters by "dragging a $50 bill through a trailer park," or something to that effect.

61 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:26:35pm

re: #42 doppelganglander

Activist to me generally means a malcontent with an ax to grind. Just as with the term community organizer, I often think agitator or rabble rouser is a much more accurate description.

When confronted these people always scream about their Costitutional rights ,no matter how unreasonable they are behaving.
They are correct, they have every right to act like an ass & we have every right to notice.

62 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:27:23pm

re: #5 J.D.

Yawn

J.D.!

63 godfrey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:27:36pm

re: #42 doppelganglander

I prefer the term "race hustler."

64 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:27:43pm

re: #47 unrealizedviewpoint

$456 used
or
$500 new

hmmm?

That's with the corinthian leather binding, the DVD still sealed in the back, signed by the author and Abraham Lincoln, with 37 tipped-in color plates, and the erratum on page 37.

65 code red 21  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:27:50pm

Wonder how much the donks spent on this donkey shit? If I was a donor I'd be pretty pissed that that's all they could come up with.

66 godfrey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:28:53pm

re: #65 code red 21

How much? Never enough. I'm betting those reporters would be the first to bitch about per diem rates in Alaska. They weren't even served lobster!

67 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:28:58pm

re: #65 code red 21

Wonder how much the donks spent on this donkey shit? If I was a donor I'd be pretty pissed that that's all they could come up with.

Hey, let 'em blow all the money they want. Pathetic losers.

68 Thanos  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:29:11pm

New McCain ad:

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

69 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:29:16pm

re: #54 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I've heard "progressives" say the same thing about the "right-wing smear machine." This was after the Rev. Wright videos surfaced, and things were sticking. The junior senator from Illinois is no Teflon messiah.

That is spot on. Smears from the left are a civics lesson.
If anybody points out an unattractive truth about Obama, you are considered a racist ,cretin.

70 code red 21  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:29:44pm

re: #46 Cognito

Apparently the good Pastor Bess hasn't seen Zombie's photos from the Bay area.

Hell he was probably in some of them.

71 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:30:01pm

CNN is also doing a non-stop smear job on both Palin and McCain. I really wonder if CNN is getting paid from Obama's team. Soros's millions involved here or what? It's nonstop Obama Campaigning. Yet they have the audacity to assert that they're "unbiased." Maybe they need a dictionary -- or is that "unbiased" according to al-Jazeera standards?

72 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:30:08pm

re: #42 doppelganglander

Activist to me generally means a malcontent with an ax to grind. Just as with the term community organizer, I often think agitator or rabble rouser is a much more accurate description.

I know a few "progressive activists," and that describes them to a tee.

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:30:31pm

re: #64 itellu3times

That's with the corinthian leather binding, the DVD still sealed in the back, signed by the author and Abraham Lincoln, with 37 tipped-in color plates, and the erratum on page 37.


LOL!
I was watching "The Big Sleep" just last night.

74 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:30:33pm

The 1st Attorney Brigade invaded Wasilla by night time parachute drop, and this is the best they could do.

75 godfrey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:30:41pm

re: #71 J.S.

You think they care about their own audacity?

76 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:31:05pm

re: #64 itellu3times

That's with the corinthian leather binding, the DVD still sealed in the back, signed by the author and Abraham Lincoln, with 37 tipped-in color plates, and the erratum on page 37.

..so much easier to choose now. Thank you!

77 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:31:21pm

re: #71 J.S.

CNN is also doing a non-stop smear job on both Palin and McCain. I really wonder if CNN is getting paid from Obama's team. Soros's millions involved here or what? It's nonstop Obama Campaigning. Yet they have the audacity to assert that they're "unbiased." Maybe they need a dictionary -- or is that "unbiased" according to al-Jazeera standards?

Who watches them anymore?

78 PJ61  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:31:24pm

These smears seem to be working--I read that NY State is now within the margin of error? Nice to know that BHO will be spending more time with Soros in Westchester County looking for money AND votes

79 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:31:27pm

re: #74 rawmuse

The 1st Attorney Brigade invaded Wasilla by night time parachute drop, and this is the best they could do.

Maybe those weren't caribou that Sarah was shooting?
/

80 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:31:50pm

Philip Munger =

Another Valley blogger, Democrat Party activist Phil Munger, writes "Progressive Alaska." He is no fan of Palin as a VP and has focused on her like a laser since the nomination, writing essays and aggregating the many political mini-scandals as chapters in a Web dossier he calls "Saradise Lost." Along with a bump in hits, Munger feels the political climate getting intense and polarized, and that’s getting uncomfortable.
[Link: www.seacoastonline.com...]

On that website above is this:

The lack of conservative pro-Palin bloggers in Alaska reflects different organizing tactics between the parties, he said. The left takes advantage of "netroots," using blogs and the Internet to organize and spread information. The right is more grassroots, he said, relying on on-the-ground infrastructure, face-to-face contact, talk radio and institutions such as churches.

The question is, who are all the anti-Palin bloggers talking to? Moon thinks they’re mostly talking to themselves. Are they changing minds? Moon thinks not. He doubts they will have any real influence.

Liberal blogger Linda Kellen Biegel, writer of "Celtic Diva’s Blue Oasis," disagrees. If no one is reading the blogs, then why did she get a call from The Wall Street Journal on Thursday? The blogs have been a source for non-Alaska media, which has been investigating Palin from the moment McCain announced her as his choice.

"Most of the stories that people are putting out now have been fed to them by bloggers who have been writing about it for a long time," she said.

81 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:32:13pm

re: #74 rawmuse

The 1st Attorney Brigade invaded Wasilla by night time parachute drop, and this is the best they could do.

The October surprise will be the moose's widow and children!

82 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:32:25pm

re: #71 J.S.

CNN is also doing a non-stop smear job on both Palin and McCain. I really wonder if CNN is getting paid from Obama's team. Soros's millions involved here or what? It's nonstop Obama Campaigning. Yet they have the audacity to assert that they're "unbiased." Maybe they need a dictionary -- or is that "unbiased" according to al-Jazeera standards?

The worst is David Gergen. He could not be more smarmy.
Oh, and a bad comb over.

83 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:32:36pm

re: #74 rawmuse

The 1st Attorney Brigade invaded Wasilla by night time parachute drop, and this is the best they could do.

The pathetic and disturbing thing is, they probably think this is first-rate stuff.

84 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:33:00pm

re: #42 doppelganglander

An "activist" in CBC parlance is someone who is wearing a bomb vest and blows himself/herself up -- now that's an "activist."

85 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:34:31pm

re: #82 opnion

The worst is David Gergen. He could not be more smarmy.
Oh, and a bad comb over.

And a traitor to the memory of Ronald Reagan. I wish he'd douse himself in STFU.

86 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:34:32pm

re: #82 opnion

Yes. Gergen appears to be extremely "bitter" -- I wonder what all he's clinging to though...

87 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:35:11pm

I guess this is why the Obama campaign wouldn't give Harry Reid any money for Senate candidates. This shit is really important.

s/o

88 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:35:32pm

re: #86 J.S.

Yes. Gergen appears to be extremely "bitter" -- I wonder what all he's clinging to though...

Brochures from Medical Hair Restoration?

89 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:35:45pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

A $436 Book?

Try even finding a used copy of John Kerry's "Winter Soldier".
THAT is what I call banned. No reprints allowed.

Speaking of which, I submitted these links:
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/09/howa rd-dean-group-tries-swiftboating.html

YouTube video only is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdzeTq6YPg0

90 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:35:48pm

re: #54 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I've heard "progressives" say the same thing about the "right-wing smear machine." This was after the Rev. Wright videos surfaced, and things were sticking. The junior senator from Illinois is no Teflon messiah.

Nope. HE SURE ISN'T.
.

91 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:37:06pm

re: #84 J.S.

An "activist" in CBC parlance is someone who is wearing a bomb vest and blows himself/herself up -- now that's an "activist."

Somehow that makes me think of one of my favorite Daffy/Bugs moments. Bugs finally allows Daffy to perform his big act; dressed in a devil costume, Daffy consumes all manner of explosive materials and then swallows a match. He explodes, and the crowd goes wild. Bugs cries, "Daffy, that was amazing! The crowd wants more!" And Daffy's shade, as he rises heavenward, sighs, "I know, I know, but I can only do it once."

92 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:37:10pm

re: #80 Nancy

Philip Munger =

Another Valley blogger, Democrat Party activist Phil Munger, writes "Progressive Alaska." He is no fan of Palin as a VP and has focused on her like a laser since the nomination, writing essays and aggregating the many political mini-scandals as chapters in a Web dossier he calls "Saradise Lost." Along with a bump in hits, Munger feels the political climate getting intense and polarized, and that’s getting uncomfortable.
[Link: www.seacoastonline.com...]

On that website above is this:

The lack of conservative pro-Palin bloggers in Alaska reflects different organizing tactics between the parties, he said. The left takes advantage of "netroots," using blogs and the Internet to organize and spread information. The right is more grassroots, he said, relying on on-the-ground infrastructure, face-to-face contact, talk radio and institutions such as churches.

The question is, who are all the anti-Palin bloggers talking to? Moon thinks they’re mostly talking to themselves. Are they changing minds? Moon thinks not. He doubts they will have any real influence.

Liberal blogger Linda Kellen Biegel, writer of "Celtic Diva’s Blue Oasis," disagrees. If no one is reading the blogs, then why did she get a call from The Wall Street Journal on Thursday? The blogs have been a source for non-Alaska media, which has been investigating Palin from the moment McCain announced her as his choice.

"Most of the stories that people are putting out now have been fed to them by bloggers who have been writing about it for a long time," she said.

I have said this before. If the MSM can't come up with more than a few sour people who had runs in with Gov. Palin after all this intense searching, then there isn't anything there and she is the Real Deal. So get over it MSM.

If there was anything real anywhere, they would already have come up with it. Unless someone is holding out for big bucks that is, and I mean big bucks that the MSM might balk at paying for fear of being found out.

93 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:37:21pm

re: #86 J.S.

Yes. Gergen appears to be extremely "bitter" -- I wonder what all he's clinging to though...

He was at least a nominal Republican back in the day.
I understand that he is now a university professor, I believe Yale or Princeton. HE has really flipped his loyalties. That is his right, but he is such a jerk about it.

94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:37:42pm

Why is it every four years I feel like I'm choosing between an almost ran and a guy hell bent on destroying my country?

Remember when there used to be two parties, both actually interested in promoting what is best for the country, but were mildly different as to how?

Now we have a weak-kneed Republican party and a far left bunch of anti-American losers.

95 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:37:58pm

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

Well, occasionally I have CNN turned on (it's in the background -- I don't see the picture) -- it's like elevator music -- and at times amusing -- when they become too offensive I just mute or switch channels (Fox isn't available in the standard cable package here)...

96 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:38:25pm

Gergen is dragged out every time a TV station has no thoughts. He is sort of an amiable angry clod.

97 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:38:31pm

re: #94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Why is it every four years I feel like I'm choosing between an almost ran and a guy hell bent on destroying my country?

Remember when there used to be two parties, both actually interested in promoting what is best for the country, but were mildly different as to how?

Now we have a weak-kneed Republican party and a far left bunch of anti-American losers.

Somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

98 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:39:05pm

re: #91 doppelganglander

Somehow that makes me think of one of my favorite Daffy/Bugs moments. Bugs finally allows Daffy to perform his big act; dressed in a devil costume, Daffy consumes all manner of explosive materials and then swallows a match. He explodes, and the crowd goes wild. Bugs cries, "Daffy, that was amazing! The crowd wants more!" And Daffy's shade, as he rises heavenward, sighs, "I know, I know, but I can only do it once."

LOL. Daffy was shading off to his 72 unlaid hens...
.

99 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:39:31pm

re: #97 Nevergiveup

Somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

Nope, just increasingly nervous. Watching the RCP average slowly chip away and don't believe the state polling information.

100 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:39:51pm

re: #71 J.S.

Maybe they need a dictionary -- or is that "unbiased" according to al-Jazeera standards?

Didn't you hear? Sarah Palin banned the dictionary.

101 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:40:42pm

re: #80 Nancy
The Wall St. Journal? Huh...

102 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:40:49pm

re: #99 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, just increasingly nervous. Watching the RCP average slowly chip away and don't believe the state polling information.

Could be worse: You could have been a Lehman Bros. executive last week.
.

103 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:41:08pm
104 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:41:18pm

re: #96 pat

Gergen is dragged out every time a TV station has no thoughts. He is sort of an amiable angry clod.

Itr's his voice. It makes him sound harmless until you realise what he is saying. He actually threatened McCain with media retribution, because they don't like the way his campaign is run. You know, like they have been so supportive , up until now.

105 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:41:37pm

re: #80 Nancy

"Most of the stories that people are putting out now have been fed to them by bloggers who have been writing about it for a long time," she said.

In Web Parlance a long time = two weeks.

106 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:42:55pm

re: #93 opnion

hm...and according to a Wiki bio, Gergen bears an uncanny resemblance to The Cat in the Hat...(that's humorist Joe Bob Briggs' astute observation).

107 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:42:57pm

Thought I'd throw in a little tid-bit here... there has been a long time joke in Alaska about "the valley." It is the Palmer/Wasilla/Butte area. Some of those people in the valley are so whacked that we that don't live there have always joked that there must be something in the water there. A lot of them are just friggin moonbats.

108 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:43:10pm

re: #104 opnion

Itr's his voice. It makes him sound harmless until you realise what he is saying. He actually threatened McCain with media retribution, because they don't like the way his campaign is run. You know, like they have been so supportive , up until now.

They thought he would be okay so long as he acted like the new Bob Dole. Now that he won't go quietly into the night, the knives are out.

109 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:43:18pm

re: #99 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, just increasingly nervous. Watching the RCP average slowly chip away and don't believe the state polling information.

I think the individual state polling is more important than the daily tracking poll stuff. And I don't think either is all that accurate. You have to take into effect the Tom Bradley factor. Also one of these days Obama is gonna have to actually answer a real question. It might not happen till the debates, but it will happen. Keep your chin up.

110 akak  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:43:27pm

re: #20 MrSnuggles

Why is the media so willing to investigate rumors about Palin with a devilish fervor but REFUSE to do any investigating about real, factual issues involving Obama?

Same reason CNN did the sniper vs GI bit.

/at all costs will the office be won

111 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:44:04pm

re: #94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Um... Let's see --- Two broken legs improperly set. Probably contributes to the weak knees. Other than the two broken arms, broken teeth and assorted other injuries, the guy is solid.

Next.

112 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:44:17pm

Anyone see Greta's interview of Todd Palin last night? He's cool.

Dude only came in 4th, on his last snowmachine race, because he had to take it easy. After taking a spill, he rode the last 400 miles with a broken arm.
.

113 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:44:20pm

re: #106 J.S.

hm...and according to a Wiki bio, Gergen bears an uncanny resemblance to The Cat in the Hat...(that's humorist Joe Bob Briggs' astute observation).

I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it...

114 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:44:39pm

re: #107 Alaska Kim

Thought I'd throw in a little tid-bit here... there has been a long time joke in Alaska about "the valley." It is the Palmer/Wasilla/Butte area. Some of those people in the valley are so whacked that we that don't live there have always joked that there must be something in the water there. A lot of them are just friggin moonbats.

Kinda like a real-life Northern Exposure, huh?

115 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:44:42pm

re: #48 Geepers

Noam Sayin' (#40),

True.

So how was the meet-up?

What meet-up?

116 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:45:35pm

re: #112 Tamron

Anyone see Greta's interview of Todd Palin last night? He's cool.

Dude
only came in 4th, on his last snowmachine race, because he had to take
it easy. After taking a spill, he rode the last 400 miles with a broken
arm.
.

That's nothing up here...

117 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:46:22pm

re: #98 Tamron

LOL. Daffy was shading off to his 72 unlaid hens...
.

What he didn't know was they all looked like Miss Prissy...

118 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:46:32pm

Attention moonbats:

Palin is rubber and
You are glue.
Mud bounces off her
And sticks to you.

119 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:46:51pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

I think the individual state polling is more important than the daily tracking poll stuff. And I don't think either is all that accurate. You have to take into effect the Tom Bradley factor. Also one of these days Obama is gonna have to actually answer a real question. It might not happen till the debates, but it will happen. Keep your chin up.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Obama household right now...
.

120 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:47:06pm

re: #114 Ward Cleaver

Kinda like a real-life Northern Exposure, huh?

I suppose. The only reason I like going there is because of the Alpenglow in the winter. It is awesome.

121 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:47:31pm

re: #33 opnion

What is a "Valley Activist?" That alone lets you know that there is an agenda.
There really seems to be nothing that they won't throw at this woman, to see what sticks. Look for it to get a lot work if things keep trending against BHO.


community organizer

122 MJBrutus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:48:10pm

re: #21 gman

Obviously a rhetorical question. But if I'm, wrong and you do want an explanation, just holler :-)

123 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:48:24pm

re: #108 Ward Cleaver

They thought he would be okay so long as he acted like the new Bob Dole. Now that he won't go quietly into the night, the knives are out.

McCain is learning a bitter lesson. He thought all of these Democrats were his "Dear Friends" That was only when he joined them on votes & did not act partisan.
Now that he is waging an aggresive campaign as a Republican, he is learnig what low life's they can be.

124 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:48:43pm

re: #115 Noam Sayin'

re: #48 Geepers

Noam Sayin' (#40),

True.

So how was the meet-up?

What meet-up?

I think he's got you confused with Noam Chumpski. There was an Atlanta meet-up on Sunday which I unfortunately couldn't attend.

125 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:49:12pm

re: #92 JohnnyReb

That's just it. They cannot really find many people "on the street" or even in government --EXCEPT persons she has made enemies of --so instead a small (an it was a small group) of anti-Palin Alaskan bloggers have become the "experts."

126 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:49:36pm

re: #119 Tamron

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Obama household right now...
.

If he loses, Michelle is gonna git the lickin stick.

127 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:49:58pm

re: #27 gman

Let's imagine the reverse of this situation- Salon highlighting what some right wingers overheard Obama say when they bumped into him at the local grocery store. Not going to happen.

bwaa-aha hahahahaha

128 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:49:59pm

re: #123 opnion

McCain is learning a bitter lesson. He thought all of these Democrats were his "Dear Friends" That was only when he joined them on votes & did not act partisan.
Now that he is waging an aggresive campaign as a Republican, he is learnig what low life's they can be.

Yeah, if he gets elected, I doubt he'll forget about it, either.

129 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:50:50pm

re: #127 Eowyn2

Hmmm. Got Chocolate Milk?

130 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:50:58pm

re: #128 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, if he gets elected, I doubt he'll forget about it, either.

I agree, I think that he now understands perfectly.

131 sitting  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:51:07pm
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Interesting that Charles links to the $476 book using the LGF Amazon affiliate URL... then again, a slice of $476 isn't anything to sneeze at.

132 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:51:33pm

re: #127 Eowyn2

bwaa-aha hahahahaha

re: #125 Nancy

That's just it. They cannot really find many people "on the street" or even in government --EXCEPT persons she has made enemies of --so instead a small (an it was a small group) of anti-Palin Alaskan bloggers have become the "experts."

Their "go-to guys" - raving moonbats.

133 MJBrutus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:51:39pm

re: #119 Tamron

There's that and there is also the ritualistic over-estimation of the Donkey's chances. It seems every 4 years we see polls favoring the Dhimmicrats right up to election day and yet they win so seldomly. For whatever reasons (including the Bradley effect) I think that if the polls are close on election day we can breathe a sigh of relief, knowing that the Obamanation will be back living in his Rezko-financed estate and not the WH.

134 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:51:52pm
“Things got very intense around here in the ‘90s — the culture war was very hot here,” Bess said. “The evangelicals elitist libs were trying to take over the valley. They took over the school board, the community hospital board, even the local electric utility. And Sarah Palin Howard Dean was in the direct center of all these culture battles, along with the churches she belonged to.”

Funny how the outsiders taking over is painted a sinister shade by salon. But with some minimal tweaking, I could apply this to the lib occupation of Vermont.

135 Thanos  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:51:58pm

The reason you don't see more "Conservative Alaskan Blogs" is that most convervatives in Ak work for a living, and if you work for a living in Alaska you generally hold more than one job if you support a family. Either that or they are running a business. Neither condition leaves much time for blogging.

136 sitting  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:51:58pm

re: #131 sitting

Oops, $456.

137 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:52:07pm

re: #131 sitting

What's you're point, or are you sitting on it?

138 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:52:34pm

re: #125 Nancy

That's just it. They cannot really find many people "on the street" or even in government --EXCEPT persons she has made enemies of --so instead a small (an it was a small group) of anti-Palin Alaskan bloggers have become the "experts."

All of that time & money & this is all they have?

139 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:53:06pm

re: #126 opnion

If he loses, Michelle is gonna git the lickin stick.

There goes the new found pride!

140 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:53:30pm

re: #118 Cattt

Attention moonbats:

Palin is rubber and
You are glue.
Mud bounces off her
And sticks to you.


More moonbat advice:

Tar doesn't stick, if you're HOT!
.

141 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:53:48pm

Bob?

142 kawfytawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:53:52pm

re: #131 sitting

Interesting that Charles links to the $476 book using the LGF Amazon affiliate URL... then again, a slice of $476 isn't anything to sneeze at.

I have never in my life seen a contemporary paperback sell used for 476.00

143 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:53:57pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

I think the individual state polling is more important than the daily tracking poll stuff. And I don't think either is all that accurate. You have to take into effect the Tom Bradley factor. Also one of these days Obama is gonna have to actually answer a real question. It might not happen till the debates, but it will happen. Keep your chin up.

We're all entitled to be down once in awhile.

144 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:54:29pm

re: #139 jcm

There goes the new found pride!

Yeah, she won't be proud of him & I have to believe that if Michelle is unhappy, things are miserable.

145 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:54:35pm

re: #116 Alaska Kim

He should've at least finished second, right? That pansy.

/ducking for cover

146 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:54:36pm

re: #131 sitting

And just what makes that book worth $476!

Hey, maybe that author figures great marketing scheme: I tie something Palin because everyone is interested in her --mention that my BOOK was the one she wanted banned --and it will get people interested in buying my book!

Not as far fetched as it may sound.

147 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:54:56pm

re: #143 Ward Cleaver

We're all entitled to be down once in awhile.

Isn't That's what liquor and girls are for?

148 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:54:59pm
The book was the result of a theological journey that began in the 1970s when Bess was asked for guidance by a closeted homosexual in his Santa Barbara congregation.

another left coast liberal moves to the hinterland and cant understand why they do things differently when they could have all of the advantages of the wise Californio Liberal Establishment.
Dont these twits know that if they institute the same drug laws, crime laws, and San Francisco values; Alaska can have the same crime rate and drug parties and the feds will lavish more money on them. Stupid Alaskans.

149 Geepers  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:55:02pm

Noam Sayin' (#115),

What meet-up?

Musta been the other Noam.

150 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:55:29pm

re: #145 x-wing

He should've at least finished second, right? That pansy.

/ducking for cover

Um yeah, right!

151 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:55:35pm

re: #129 Cap'n DOC

Hmmm. Got Chocolate Milk?

I could stop by the store on the way home.

152 opnion  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:55:38pm

re: #146 Nancy

And just what makes that book worth $476!

Hey, maybe that author figures great marketing scheme: I tie something Palin because everyone is interested in her --mention that my BOOK was the one she wanted banned --and it will get people interested in buying my book!

Not as far fetched as it may sound.

That sounds right & I bet he does move some product.

153 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:55:52pm

Howard Bess, meet Fred Phelps.

Cagematch.

/only one comes out

154 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:56:00pm

re: #125 Nancy

That's just it. They cannot really find many people "on the street" or even in government --EXCEPT persons she has made enemies of --so instead a small (an it was a small group) of anti-Palin Alaskan bloggers have become the "experts."

They won't find anything, they are just like a poo flinging monkey, keep slinging the poo and sooner or later you will hit your target. Heck I can think of dozens of people who would "spill the beans" on me if I ever ran for any office. There was that one guy at Dunkin Donuts that I didn't tip, so he would call me a cheap guy who didn't care about the working stiff. Even though he screwed up my order and took 15 minutes to make a large black decaf.

We went through the same thing here in CT. Gov. Rowland spent a year and a day in jail for corruption and he still had a 70%+ approval rating on his way to jail. Go figure.

155 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:56:07pm

re: #147 Nevergiveup

Isn't That's what liquor and girls are for?

Darn right!

156 Thanos  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:57:18pm

"[Barack Obama] talked about siding with the people, siding with the people, just before he flew off to Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbara Streisand and his celebrity friends. Let me tell you, my friends, there's no place I'd rather be than here, with the working men and women of Ohio." -- John McCain

157 Karridine  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:57:46pm

I find it interesting that Palin is eager to see the Return of Christ, in this Day!

If Sarah Palin publicly acknowledges that she has seen Christ in The Glory of God, THAT would upset a LOT of applecarts!

/off to work, back later

158 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:57:54pm

Democrats Go There
—Ace

I'm sure Keith Olbermann will be angered to tears over exploiting this tragedy.

So long as we know what the ground rules are, fine. We'll start running commercials accusing Democrats of dishonoring the dead. (Fuck that-- let's have some now-out-of-the-service vets explain how they feel about Obama voting against money for ammo and armor in the middle of a shooting war.)

Let's have at it.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Disgusting add.

159 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:58:04pm

re: #156 Thanos

"[Barack Obama] talked about siding with the people, siding with the people, just before he flew off to Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbara Streisand and his celebrity friends. Let me tell you, my friends, there's no place I'd rather be than here, with the working men and women of Ohio." -- John McCain

Did he say that today? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

160 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:58:05pm

re: #154 JohnnyReb

We went through the same thing here in CT. Gov. Rowland spent a year and a day in jail for corruption and he still had a 70%+ approval rating on his way to jail. Go figure.

It's a good thing Gov. Palin got a tanning bed instead of a hot tub, and paid for it herself.

161 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:58:10pm

re: #94 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Why is it every four years I feel like I'm choosing between an almost ran and a guy hell bent on destroying my country?

Remember when there used to be two parties, both actually interested in promoting what is best for the country, but were mildly different as to how?

Now we have a weak-kneed Republican party and a far left bunch of anti-American losers.

This year we had each party choose what they considered to be the easiest to beat opponent.

162 MJBrutus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:58:10pm

re: #156 Thanos

Yeppers, and he's out there with Babs because he reneged on his promise to take public financing.

163 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:58:48pm

re: #158 Nevergiveup

I'm ready.

164 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:59:05pm

re: #150 Alaska Kim

I was just kidding, don't hate me. I think the dude is way cool.

165 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:59:25pm

Feh.

Search term; Palin Book Burning
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Search term; Palin Troopergate
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Search term; Obama Resko
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Search term; Obama Ayers
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One out of 4 ain't bad.
/

166 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 3:59:35pm

Did any of y'all hear Rush today? Obambi has scads of money and dingy Harry asked if the One could contibute to the DNC to help with House and Senate races. The one told him to piss off.
2. 28k per plate dinner for Hollyweird types, around 7 million raised. If words were deeds that cash could go to a homeless shelter, Darfur refugees, etc...But no! It is going into the obambi fund. Goddamn hypocrits.

167 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:00:01pm

re: #33 opnion

Palin is from the Mat-Su Valley --an area just north of Anchorage --in the "valley" of the mountains.

Beautiful scenery I am told.

168 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:00:39pm

re: #164 x-wing

I was just kidding, don't hate me. I think the dude is way cool.

I's just joking!

169 Thanos  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:01:04pm
170 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:01:09pm

re: #166 pingjockey

Did any of y'all hear Rush today? Obambi has scads of money and dingy Harry asked if the One could contibute to the DNC to help with House and Senate races. The one told him to piss off.
2. 28k per plate dinner for Hollyweird types, around 7 million raised. If words were deeds that cash could go to a homeless shelter, Darfur refugees, etc...But no! It is going into the obambi fund. Goddamn hypocrits.

Don't worry, he'll take all the money out of your pocket, and send it to them.

171 MJBrutus  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:01:13pm

re: #165 jcm

Results 1 - 10 of about 881,000 for Obama Rezko

Helps if you spell it right :-)

172 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:01:45pm

good night all

173 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:02:18pm

re: #170 Ward Cleaver
Hah! I've got three boys. 2 are teenagers and my pockets have holes in them! Not cash!

174 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:02:57pm

re: #167 Nancy

Palin is from the Mat-Su Valley --an area just north of Anchorage --in the "valley" of the mountains.

Beautiful scenery I am told.

Very beautiful. One thing I can never get over though, even though I've lived here for ages, is that in the Anchorage area, and the valley, there are moose everywhere. Just lounging on the side of the road, or eating trees in your back yard. It's like they are just part of the community.

175 FrogMarch  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:03:14pm

I expect the dominate left-wing press to pick this up and run with it.

176 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:03:41pm

BBIAB

177 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:03:51pm

re: #174 Alaska Kim

Very beautiful. One thing I can never get over though, even though I've lived here for ages, is that in the Anchorage area, and the valley, there are moose everywhere. Just lounging on the side of the road, or eating trees in your back yard. It's like they are just part of the community.

And so you shoot your neighbors also?
/

178 Thanos  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:04:38pm

re: #177 Nevergiveup

Let's just say you don't have to cheat and put out a salt lick to bag a moose.

179 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:05:09pm

re: #177 Nevergiveup

And so you shoot your neighbors also?
/

Only if they make noise after 9pm.

180 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:06:10pm

re: #179 Alaska Kim

Only if they make noise after 9pm.

I can live with that!

181 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:06:33pm
182 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:06:36pm

re: #160 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a good thing Gov. Palin got a tanning bed instead of a hot tub, and paid for it herself.

Hey he got some work done on his cottage on the lake also.

But seriously, the moonbats here in CT actually wanted him to continue as Governor while he was in federal prison, they honestly didn't see anything wrong with his behavior. Thankfully, there is a state law that prevents that.

183 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:06:55pm

re: #179 Alaska Kim

Only if they make noise after 9pm.

"Shut up, Bullwinkle! Go to sleep!"

184 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:07:09pm

re: #180 Nevergiveup

I can live with that!

Lots of moving targets!

185 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:07:15pm
re: #167 Nancy

Palin is from the Mat-Su Valley --an area just north of Anchorage --in the "valley" of the mountains.

Beautiful scenery I am told.

re: #174 Alaska Kim

Very beautiful. One thing I can never get over though, even though I've lived here for ages, is that in the Anchorage area, and the valley, there are moose everywhere. Just lounging on the side of the road, or eating trees in your back yard. It's like they are just part of the community.


On the bus from Anchorage to Denali, the bus driver told us that that area "is where the weather changes".
True?

186 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:08:02pm

From the quoted passage of Bess's book:

After deep reflection on the subject, Bess came to the conclusion that “gay people were not sick, nor they were special sinners.”

In his book, Bess suggests that gays have a divine mission. “Look back at the life of our Lord Jesus. He was misunderstood, deserted, unjustly accused, and cruelly killed. Yet we all confess that it was the will of God, for by his wounds we are healed ... Could it be that the homosexual, obedient to the will of God, might be the church’s modern day healer-messiah?”

While the "modern day healer-messiah" language applied to homosexuals sounds radically liberal and New Age-y, the parts I've bolded seem to be possibly consistent with the position "God does not single out homosexuality as an especially bad sin, or even necessarily condemn homosexual feelings at all, but calls homosexuals to be celibate"-- which is held by many mainstream Christian denominations.

And the Amazon user reviews for the book -- I'm guessing that the price only shot up to $500 in the last few days! -- seem to dance around the issue of whether a "non-celibate homosexual Christian" is a contradiction in terms. Which suggests to me that the book probably also tiptoes around the distinction between sexually active homos and celibate ones.

187 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:08:19pm

re: #168 Alaska Kim

Just curious, a friend told me there are no roads out of Juneau, have to travel by plane or something. Is that true?

188 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:08:37pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

"Shut up, Bullwinkle! Go to sleep!"

Naw, they should know better already. After 9pm, it's just "boom!"

189 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:09:36pm

re: #185 jwb7605

On the bus from Anchorage to Denali, the bus driver told us that that area "is where the weather changes".
True?

I'm not sure what the driver meant by that, or am I missing something here?

190 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:09:50pm

re: #178 Thanos

It's almost as easy as shooting a cow. I said almost.

191 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:10:10pm

re: #187 x-wing

Just curious, a friend told me there are no roads out of Juneau, have to travel by plane or something. Is that true?

Ask her what the capital of Alaska technically is, also.

192 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:10:40pm

re: #187 x-wing

Just curious, a friend told me there are no roads out of Juneau, have to travel by plane or something. Is that true?

Yes. We don't have a road out of Juneau. Either you fly Alaska Airlines or you take a boat or the Alaska Marine Highway. I love it.

193 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:11:05pm

re: #165 jcm

Feh.

Search term; Palin Book Burning
Results 1 - 10 of about 202,000 for palin book burning. (0.27 seconds)

Search term; Palin Troopergate
Results 1 - 10 of about 653,000 for palin troopergate. (0.13 seconds)

Search term; Obama Resko
Results 1 - 10 of about 22,800 for obama resko. (0.19 seconds)

Search term; Obama Ayers
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,770,000 for obama ayers. (0.15 seconds)

One out of 4 ain't bad.
/

Try Obama + REZKO
906,000

194 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:11:51pm

re: #111 Cap'n DOC

Um... Let's see --- Two broken legs improperly set. Probably contributes to the weak knees. Other than the two broken arms, broken teeth and assorted other injuries, the guy is solid.

Next.

Nope, Mac isn't the problem... the rest of the party seems to be.

195 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:12:08pm

re: #190 x-wing

It's almost as easy as shooting a cow. I said almost.

Cows don't have racks, and don't usually charge!

196 kynna  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:12:13pm

I have no doubt these smears are going to add up the way they have for President Bush. It's so sickening.

I just really hope Palin knocks it out of the park in the debate and puts this garbage to rest.

Same with McCain, but I think people are really going to be watching her and I think she has the most potential to be stunning.

McCain will school Obama, but he's not going to get anyone riled up.

Have the democrats ever nominated a dumber ticket? Kerry/Edwards comes close, but this one is really phenomenally moronic.

197 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:12:24pm

re: #125 Nancy

That's just it. They cannot really find many people "on the street" or even in government --EXCEPT persons she has made enemies of --so instead a small (an it was a small group) of anti-Palin Alaskan bloggers have become the "experts."

True. Sore losers, sour grapes, whatever. Every barrel has a few bad apples, and political-road-rage malcontents like that literally live and breathe to find a Sarah Palin to attack. It's not Sarah Palin the person that they're attacking, it's the general CONCEPT of a Sarah Palin.

Some people would slash all of the tires on every car in a parking lot, just because they could do so without getting caught. They don't give a rat's ass how much damage they cause in the overall scheme of things -- they're just out to cause harm like a rabid dog, and their conversation is full of the same. (Thinking of the Daily KOS, as an example.)

The vast majority of 'normal' citizens are busy working for a living, and have neither the time nor the inclination for negative destructive crap like that.
.

198 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:13:25pm

rev bess and his 'gays are jesus' bs sounds like a nut case loser.
the 'progress musician' sounds like a liar. he says he 'bumped into sarah once' and 'she looked in his eyes and said. . ."
bull shit.
this country adores sarah palin.
we won't be swayed by these disagreeable people coming forward to malign her.
look at these silly sob's
laughable.

199 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:14:12pm

re: #192 Alaska Kim

Yes. We don't have a road out of Juneau. Either you fly Alaska Airlines or you take a boat or the Alaska Marine Highway. I love it.


I spent 4 years on Adak in the Aleutians. Truly no roads anywhere, 1,200 miles from Anchorage and closer to Russia. Only Reeves Aleutian Airlines in or out. Are they still in business?

200 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:14:12pm

re: #154 JohnnyReb

I don't think it troubles McCain or Palin that they want to waste their time scouring Alaska in person or the anti-Palin blogs from Alaska.

So far they are still using the same "themes" but it seems somewhat odd to me that the "details" of the rumors change. The first "book banning" was a LIST she wanted banned.

Now it is some author claiming it was HIS book. For one thing, I can't imagine ANY library buying that book for $500! You would NOT have a $500 book in circulation! I am inclined to doubt that she sought to "ban his book" because I can't see a library spending that much for a book that isn't some sort of legitimate reference book and not in circulation.

201 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:14:16pm

re: #191 jwb7605


Crap, did I spell it wrong?

202 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:15:30pm

re: #166 pingjockey

Did any of y'all hear Rush today? Obambi has scads of money and dingy Harry asked if the One could contibute to the DNC to help with House and Senate races. The one told him to piss off.
2. 28k per plate dinner for Hollyweird types, around 7 million raised. If words were deeds that cash could go to a homeless shelter, Darfur refugees, etc...But no! It is going into the obambi fund. Goddamn hypocrits.

obama is not a charitable person.
he's not going to offer 'his' money for the greater good.
dingy harry, also a cheap bastard, should have known better than to ask.

203 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:16:10pm

re: #200 Nancy


You are right, he just jumped on the bandwagon and is trying to get his agenda on the national front.

204 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:17:08pm

re: #195 Alaska Kim

But they do stand around and look stupid alot. You ever try riding one? A moose that is.

205 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:17:09pm

re: #199 JohnnyReb

Naw, I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

206 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:17:59pm

re: #201 x-wing

Crap, did I spell it wrong?

No.
Check this link, it's a pretty cool story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow,_Alaska

Note that the vote was never officially rescinded, just never acted upon due to costs -- the spending proposal was defeated. You would not believe all the property purchased around the town that have not been built/improved on.

207 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:18:05pm

re: #204 x-wing

But they do stand around and look stupid alot. You ever try riding one? A moose that is.

Yeah, I traded in my Dodge Ram for one. Saves a lot on gas.

/

208 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:19:30pm

re: #166 pingjockey

This and the Obama/Clooney shindig in Switzerland earlier this month would make a great McCain ad.

Especially if contrasted with some of the devestation in Texas right now.

209 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:19:31pm

re: #204 x-wing

But they do stand around and look stupid alot. You ever try riding one? A moose that is.

And also, that could be said for a lot of humans up here. heh

210 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:20:37pm

re: #205 Alaska Kim

I didnt think so, once the Navy base closed down there wasnt much left there. Just some fish and game guys and from what I heard a fish cannery. That was a somewhat unique experience as a Navy base. And the winters were so brutal there were periods of 6-8 weeks that we didn't get a flight in or out. But a beautiful island. Pure and unspoiled, and teriffic Caribou hunting and salmon season was something else.

211 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:21:31pm

re: #167 Nancy

Palin is from the Mat-Su Valley --an area just north of Anchorage --in the "valley" of the mountains.

Beautiful scenery I am told.

Can't be beat. I came up here 41 years ago to visit, and never left.
.

212 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:21:35pm

re: #198 nyc redneck

rev bess and his 'gays are jesus' bs sounds like a nut case loser.
the 'progress musician' sounds like a liar. he says he 'bumped into sarah once' and 'she looked in his eyes and said. . ."
bull shit.
this country adores sarah palin.
we won't be swayed by these disagreeable people coming forward to malign her.
look at these silly sob's
laughable.

I saw Gov. Palin's pastor on TV explaining, with great care, that he did some discussions with people about gay issues - basically about remembering that gay people are people too and are God's children and should not be shunned or mistreated. He was very circumspect, but my impression of it was that he viewed the issue as a WWJD? Golden Rule thing. He seemed very balanced and empathetic about it. Many pastors in small rural churches would probably not stick their necks out on this issue.

213 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:22:15pm

re: #199 JohnnyReb

I spent 4 years on Adak in the Aleutians. Truly no roads anywhere, 1,200 miles from Anchorage and closer to Russia. Only Reeves Aleutian Airlines in or out. Are they still in business?

No, Reeves folded a few years ago. Too bad.
.

214 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:22:36pm

re: #210 JohnnyReb

I
didnt think so, once the Navy base closed down there wasnt much left
there. Just some fish and game guys and from what I heard a fish
cannery. That was a somewhat unique experience as a Navy base. And the
winters were so brutal there were periods of 6-8 weeks that we didn't
get a flight in or out. But a beautiful island. Pure and unspoiled, and
teriffic Caribou hunting and salmon season was something else.

yes, brutal winters. But I'll take wintertime here over anything above 80 degrees anywhere else!

215 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:23:26pm

re: #210 JohnnyReb

I didnt think so, once the Navy base closed down there wasnt much left there. Just some fish and game guys and from what I heard a fish cannery. That was a somewhat unique experience as a Navy base. And the winters were so brutal there were periods of 6-8 weeks that we didn't get a flight in or out. But a beautiful island. Pure and unspoiled, and teriffic Caribou hunting and salmon season was something else.

You were stationed there?
I put that down as "my first choice" in 1968, but due to my rate (AQF), there were no slots available (darned few aircraft carriers).
So I just got "West Coast Sea duty", which meant Miramar.

You, in my opinion, are one lucky guy.

216 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:23:57pm

re: #204 x-wing

I have moose in my county. They are big and quite ugly. Riding a moose would not be feasible --they are not too "friendly" either!

Can't shoot them here though --not that big a herd.

217 Shay4l  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:25:23pm

re: #214 Alaska Kim

yes, brutal winters. But I'll take wintertime here over anything above 80 degrees anywhere else!

I've found 100 degrees is OK when you get used to it, especially when the humidity is low.

Have you gotten used to -50?

/Just teasing Alaska!

218 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:26:34pm

re: #207 Alaska Kim

Yeah, I traded in my Dodge Ram for one. Saves a lot on gas.

/

Several months ago I read that Norwegian moose were major sources of methane emissions. Why not use your Alaskan moose to recharge alternative-powered vehicles?

219 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:26:35pm

I'm a little surprised it was the Baptist talking about the homosexuals, and the moonbat Corrie lover talking about creationism instead of the other way around, but regardless- they're not believable since the record shows no books were banned and Sarah's never pushed creationism. Poor msm- they've got nuthin'!

220 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:26:35pm

re: #211 Tamron

I have two childhood friends and a cousin/wife who lived in that area.

The former are still there --cousin/wife came back to the lower 48 not that long ago.

221 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:26:45pm

re: #217 Shay4l

I've found 100 degrees is OK when you get used to it, especially when the humidity is low.

Have you gotten used to -50?

/Just teasing Alaska!

I could never get used to 100 degrees. The first time I went to Vegas it was 116 degrees and I thought I was going to die. Never again.
And you never get used to -50, you just tolerate it for a while!

222 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:27:19pm

re: #218 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Several
months ago I read that Norwegian moose were major sources of methane
emissions. Why not use your Alaskan moose to recharge
alternative-powered vehicles?

What in the world do you read?!?!

223 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:27:38pm

re: #216 Nancy

I have moose in my county. They are big and quite ugly. Riding a moose would not be feasible --they are not too "friendly" either!

Can't shoot them here though --not that big a herd.

"They" introduced, back around 1990, about 25 moose here in Northeastern Colorado.
Last count, I'm told there are well over 300 in the area I like to camp/fish/hunt in the Walden area. We've had them wander between our breakfast area and the camper in the summer. Photos to prove it.
Colorado even has a limited moose season.

224 LEGION  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:28:01pm

Since when did the secular liberal commie socialist demonrats care about religion?

Jesus never organized anybody. He just said "Come, follow me," and people followed. That's leadership, not organization.
If Jesus had been a community organizer he would have convinced the locals to be aggrieved about the money changers in the Temple, and they would have mounted a demonstration. He wouldn't have placed himself out front.
If Jesus had been a community organizer, he wouldn't have had to turn water into wine at Cana; there would have been a protest and the local wine merchants would have created a set-aside program.
If Jesus had been a community organizer, he would not have had to do the miracle of the loaves and fishes, because the Galilean WIC program would have furnished enough vouchers for the entire population to be fed.

(Hat tip- a fellow lizard- I forgot who- sorry!)

225 Alaska Kim  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:28:45pm

Good night y'all.

226 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:28:45pm

Another note, with respect to CNN and Lou Dobbs. Back on Tuesday, May 27, 2008, Lou Dobbs had this to say about Obama:

"...we've got a U.S. senator running for president of the United States who can't even get that [stats on hate crimes] straight, and then attacks me and distorts and misrepresents me in this entire issue. I say the man doesn't deserve to be taken with any credibility at all.

LARSON: You know what he's after Lou. He warrants the Hispanic voters that Hillary has and he thinks by pandering on the illegal issue he'll get more Hispanic voters.
[snip]
DOBBS: This is the third time, Wilmer, he's [Obama] attacked me, third time and I got to tell you, the man, as far as I'm concerned, stick the fork in, he's done. I have no use for the man.

And now? Well, it appears that Lou Dobbs has been all kissy face with Obama's camp and they long ago made up. Now Dobbs is claiming that Obama is a "populist" -- yeah, and Obama, The One who appeals to "the people" etc, and Dobbs has on his program (non-stop) campaigners for Obama...thus we get the glowing tributes, the gushing praise, the glowing endorsements from people such as Candy Crowley -- Crowley is clearly an Obamaton who's voting, obviously for Obama and will do everything/anything possible to get her POS elected...etc. Oh well, more of the same from the Lame Stream Media...

227 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:28:49pm

re: #212 Cattt

I saw Gov. Palin's pastor on TV explaining, with great care, that he did some discussions with people about gay issues - basically about remembering that gay people are people too and are God's children and should not be shunned or mistreated. He was very circumspect, but my impression of it was that he viewed the issue as a WWJD? Golden Rule thing. He seemed very balanced and empathetic about it. Many pastors in small rural churches would probably not stick their necks out on this issue.

that's really good to hear.
i just can't imagine sarah, as a christian, being hostile to gay people.

228 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:29:32pm

Huh, $456.00 for the Rev. Howard Bess' book? Wonder how much it cost before Salon came out with this hit job on Palin?

229 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:29:32pm

re: #209 Alaska Kim


LOL, that's why I said moose.

Speaking of moose, you got a couple of burgers you could send my way?

/batting my eyes

230 LEGION  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:29:36pm

re: #226 J.S.

Populism ain't good Louie should know.

231 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:29:58pm
232 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:30:18pm

re: #222 Alaska Kim

What in the world do you read?!?!

Spiegel.de

But turns out it was carbon dioxide.

/back to the drawing board

233 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:30:33pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

OT - Ward, did you get my link in reference to Al Trick and store location in Dallas? It was on the open thread. Here it is again. The whole story on Al and the family and the business from the late 40's.

[Link: www.accordions.com...]

234 LEGION  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:30:34pm

re: #228 realwest

$4.56

235 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:31:24pm

re: #216 Nancy

I have moose in my county. They are big and quite ugly. Riding a moose would not be feasible --they are not too "friendly" either!

Can't shoot them here though --not that big a herd.

A herd of buffalo got loose here a couple of years ago and stampeded to a tennis court about a mile from here. It was funny watching the cops try to corral the buffalo, who are good at jumping over nets, as it turns out. Normally, Baltimore cops don't need to herd buffalo. They got them all herded, though. The pics made the national news. :D

236 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:31:34pm

30 investigators sent to Alaska and this is it?

Silliness. Well, except for owning a tanning bed. That could be a concern.

237 LEGION  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:31:44pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

Buzzy! Hats off to Buzzsawmonkey! :-)

238 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:32:12pm

re: #234 LEGION
Maybe so, but I notice that it's #199,978 on Amazon's best seller list and was first published in 1995 - and this is the same edition!
Ax to grind? Hmmm I wonder why?!

239 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:32:15pm

Is this is a viable smear? Wasn't same sex marriage one of the hot buttons of the Bush elections, in his favor? Does reminding folks who may think same sex marriage is not acceptable to their moral code, does reminding them that Palin shares the same moral code (whether true or not), is this not an issue that would confirm votes for McCain/Palin?

Tied in with the religious aspect, not only does it offend those who have issue with homosexuality, now your devaluing people's faith and reminding them that there are JUDICIAL activists who want to ignore the will of the people?

The past couple of threads have confused me. Obama did want to delay troop withdrawals, and his defense was that he did want to delay troop withdrawals. Now we have this as a Palin "smear"?

You sure Karl Rove ain't in Alaska?

240 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:33:01pm

re: #156 Thanos

"[Barack Obama] talked about siding with the people, siding with the people, just before he flew off to Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbara Streisand and his celebrity friends. Let me tell you, my friends, there's no place I'd rather be than here, with the working men and women of Ohio." -- John McCain

Day-um. Very, very nice.

241 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:33:18pm

re: #214 Alaska Kim

yes, brutal winters. But I'll take wintertime here over anything above 80 degrees anywhere else!


Kim..mmm we gotta talk..After college i lived for 3 years in Hawaii.
At least in Indiana it's only 3 months of cold..
Hey Kim..I have a cousin up your way that is a guide for big time hunters..
He makes like 20k a week to guide..Has a cabin and airplane and Alaskian stuff like that..We'll have to talk Kim..
kind regards and thanks for your state giving our party a great person..
Oh Lizards..Nobody in middle America really thinks Sarah is some book burning witch and some right wing extremest..
psss..don't tell the left...let them play this game

242 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:33:42pm

On the issue of homosexuality and fundamentalist Christians, I've recently been exchanging email with a very attractive guy in my area -- not just physically attractive, though he's that too, but also a very analytical thinker, well-read, upbeat, and likes dogs, too. In short, a good package, and we're meeting for lunch on Friday.

Anyway, though, he also happens to be an alum of Falwell's Liberty U. -- his own choice, because he hoped that four years of bible college would drive the gay out of him. Unsurprisingly, that didn't work, and fortunately, the experience doesn't seem to have left him bitterly raging against "religious nuts" and "those years I wasted."

On the other hand -- and this is the point I wanted to make! -- his fundamentalist years seem to have left a mark, and at least some of his thinking appears to be a reaction against his own past. For example, I don't think we're too far apart politically, but he truly fears that a rightward-shifting SCOTUS might overturn Lawrence v. Texas, allowing a stampede by individual states to reenact laws against consensual adult "sodomy." Which sounds insanely improbable to me, but then again, I never spent years of my youth voluntarily immersed in right-wing religion.

243 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:33:56pm

re: #223 jwb7605

One of those moose attacked and killed an elderly man in Grand Lake, Colorado last year. No word on whether banning books was the problem.

244 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:34:52pm

re: #224 LEGION
and
re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you both for that - buzz for writing it and LEGION for remembering it!

245 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:35:52pm

Have they interviewed Greg Packer yet?

It just seems like they interview the same people over and over again in these anti-Palin "articles."

246 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:35:54pm

re: #243 Meremortal

One of those moose attacked and killed an elderly man in Grand Lake, Colorado last year. No word on whether banning books was the problem.

They've made it that far south?
Next, they'll be hanging with the Elk in Estes Park.

247 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:36:13pm

re: #221 Alaska Kim

I agree you don't get "used" to it, you just tolerate it.
we get some of that double digit below --down to -45 but not many days of it as you get.

248 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:36:34pm

re: #245 funky chicken
Who is Greg Packer?

249 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:37:11pm

re: #246 jwb7605

I've saw 3 on Berthoud Pass last year. Cute family they were.

250 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:37:30pm

re: #215 jwb7605

You were stationed there?
I put that down as "my first choice" in 1968, but due to my rate (AQF), there were no slots available (darned few aircraft carriers).
So I just got "West Coast Sea duty", which meant Miramar.

You, in my opinion, are one lucky guy.


I went there in 1981 and left in 1984. A very very different assignment for anyone Navy. It was a nice place most times, but the weather was brutal. If it got over 50 degrees in the summer and the sun was out, we got "sunshine" liberty. We routinely got 125+ mph winds (williwaws) year round and they could and did kill people who weren't paying attention. In the winter we got 250+ inches of snow and wind chills of 40-60 below. The lack of daytime in the winter caused quite a few suicides also. But if you loved hunting and fishing it was paradise.

Overall I think it was a good duty station. My son was only 6 months when we got there and 4 when we left. When we left and got a cab in Anchorage to drive to a hotel, my son saw his first traffic light and asked what it was and why we were stopping. The cab driver was appalled and asked where the heck we had lived when I had to explain to my son that it was a stop and go light. He had never seen one.

We went to the Philippines right after that. Talk about a culture/weather shock.

251 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:37:31pm

re: #216 Nancy

What county is that Nancy? And I was just funnin with Alaska Kim.

Moose my be ugly but they taste good.

252 Richard Romano  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:38:05pm
“I pushed her on the earth’s creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she’d seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them.”

This is pure moonbat hearsay -- nothing more than a drive-by smear. Move along.

253 yochanan  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:38:38pm

did the lightworker sign the frigging book?

254 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:38:42pm

re: #242 Throbert McGee

imho, these issues are very low on the radar of our candidates, if they are there at all.

255 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:40:25pm

re: #242 Throbert McGee

I saw an article online that featured 2 colleagues of McCain's who came out of the closet and both said he was very nice and supportive. I think it was on gaypatriot.com.

I don't see McCain or Palin nominating wild eyed theocons to SCOTUS. McCain's been on the receiving end of their ugliness for many years, and it just doesn't seem to be the Alaska thing to scold or bash gays.

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:40:25pm

Someone here posted this earlier this year. I forget who.

Twin baby moose playing in sprinkler

257 joekowalski247  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:41:09pm

at $456 Maybe Obama should pass these out as coasters at his 'Babs' concert. $285,000 a plate...

there probably serving moose stew...

258 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:41:17pm

If the msm would even spend a fraction of the time and effort they've put into unearthing skeletons from Sarah's past with 0bama, imagine where the election would be today.

The msm doesn't care about the facts- just their agenda. Disgusting.

259 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:41:21pm

re: #228 realwest

Huh, $456.00 for the Rev. Howard Bess' book? Wonder how much it cost before Salon came out with this hit job on Palin?

How are you feeling, real? Did the drs. appt. go well?

260 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:42:03pm

re: #248 realwest

I think that's the right name. The AP or NYT or something kept interviewing the same person in supposedly random "man on the street" public interest stories, and got caught.

lemme go google it

261 Alouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:42:22pm

re: #19 Ojoe

Just say anything you want, Salon

maybe she blew her nose on the ground by closing off one nostril with her finger, once.

23 years ago

et cetra

You could get more than $456 for that loogie on eBay, I'll bet.

262 yochanan  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:42:49pm

re: #195 Alaska Kim

Cows don't have racks, and don't usually charge!

moose are like deer on steroids and don't make like a female moose in runting season unless you want a new one.

263 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:44:43pm

re: #53 Ward Cleaver

What, they didn't interview the hag librarian that says that, "Palin doesn't like her"?

Is that ad hominem really necessary? As far as I know, the librarian in question has stated that Palin never requested that any book be banned, and that, furthermore, she was not fired by Palin as a result of her stand on book-banning. Was she even fired? Did she quit, or was she rendered redundant and laid off? Apparently she left the job about a year after this question arose, so it would appear any link is tenuous at best.

264 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:45:11pm

re: #248 realwest

Who is Greg Packer?

Realwest:
[Link: www.editorandpublisher.com...]

265 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:45:24pm

re: #245 funky chicken

LOL ...all 10 of them are getting their 15 minutes of fame!

someone posted the link above a couple days ago.
Can't be too bad when you have a Democrat go public and defend you with some hosts really digging for criticism!

It's an actual interview not a joke.
[Link: copiousdissent.blogspot.com...]

266 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:45:27pm

re: #250 JohnnyReb

[SNIP} We routinely got 125+ mph winds (williwaws) year round and they could and did kill people who weren't paying attention. In the winter we got 250+ inches of snow and wind chills of 40-60 below. The lack of daytime in the winter caused quite a few suicides also. But if you loved hunting and fishing it was paradise.
[SNIP]
We went to the Philippines right after that. Talk about a culture/weather shock.

Tour guide explained what a williwaw is/was ... at least I think that was the word. Results in something like this? The guide said the wind can sometimes reach 200+ mph.
Philippines (Subic Bay) was our default 'liberty port'.
You got to the Philippines about the time they were closing it, right?

267 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:46:20pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

If the msm would even spend a fraction of the time and effort they've put into unearthing skeletons from Sarah's past with 0bama, imagine where the election would be today.

The msm doesn't care about the facts- just their agenda. Disgusting.

I think also...that the MSM is drawn to percieved star power..They want to sell newspapers and get clicks..
Obama did that for them 19 months..
Sarah sucked the air out of the room for them...

268 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:46:48pm

re: #262 yochanan

moose are like deer on steroids and don't make like a female moose in runting season unless you want a new one.

Check this out: MOOSE MOUNTS BUFFALO STATUE.

Now THAT'S what you might call "horny."
.

269 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:47:41pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

If the msm would even spend a fraction of the time and effort they've put into unearthing skeletons from Sarah's past with 0bama, imagine where the election would be today.

The msm doesn't care about the facts- just their agenda. Disgusting.

we have to stop expecting them to do their job. meaning be objective.
as far as these sob's are concerned, they are doing their job.
shilling for their candidate. trying to get this jerk elected.
disgusting, indeed.

270 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:48:23pm

re: #251 x-wing

Baraga County in Upper Michigan

271 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:48:33pm

re: #259 scottishbuzzsaw
Appointments went well, once the radiology clinic became convinced that I WAS scheduled for today!
Won't hear any news until tomorrow and even though I can't do anything about it, I'm so anxious and tense I have a miserable headache, have been grinding my teeth and overall just peachy-keen, thankew very much!
How are y'all doing tonight?

272 psyop  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:49:13pm

This is all so unfortunately typical.

I still couldn't believe it when I was reading lefty bloggers and hearing "man (or woman) on the street" news interviews with people saying something like:

"Where is the media attention about Palin? Why haven't we heard anything about her? How come all of HER stories are puff pieces? I wish they treated Obama with the same OBVIOUS favoritism!"

Seriously, there were times I though I was reading/watching the Onion.

273 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:49:28pm

re: #260 funky chicken
Ah geeze, y'all don't have to waste your time on it if your memory is correct!

274 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:49:28pm

Todays polls FoxNews/Rasmussen:
Pennsylvania: TIED
Ohio: ...McCain +3 ...(PPD McCain +4)
Florida:... McCain +5
Virginia:... TIED
Colorado: ...McCain +2

Overall:
Gallup:... McCain +1
Hotline:... Obama +4
Rasmussen: ...McCain +1
Battleground: McCain +4

275 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:50:23pm

re: #271 realwest

hey (realwest},
thinking of you.

276 JohnnyReb  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:50:36pm

re: #266 jwb7605

Tour guide explained what a williwaw is/was ... at least I think that was the word. Results in something like this? The guide said the wind can sometimes reach 200+ mph.
Philippines (Subic Bay) was our default 'liberty port'.
You got to the Philippines about the time they were closing it, right?

I got sent to Japan soon after on the Midway and spent many a liberty in the PI from 1986 to 1989. The base there closed soon after that.

The williwas in Adak were nasty. I have seen 18 wheel trucks blown over and dumpsters blown down the road from them.

277 joekowalski247  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:50:51pm

don't make the messiah cry!

278 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:51:12pm

re: #269 nyc redneck

we have to stop expecting them to do their job. meaning be objective.
as far as these sob's are concerned, they are doing their job.
shilling for their candidate. trying to get this jerk elected.
disgusting, indeed.

This election has allowed the mask to completely fall away- not just slip. The ramifications could be hard and long lasting for the drive-by media. I think they'll have a hard time convincing the American public of their objectivity after all this.

279 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:53:41pm

re: #271 realwest

Appointments went well, once the radiology clinic became convinced that I WAS scheduled for today!
Won't hear any news until tomorrow and even though I can't do anything about it, I'm so anxious and tense I have a miserable headache, have been grinding my teeth and overall just peachy-keen, thankew very much!
How are y'all doing tonight?

Hard to wait, I know...but I hope you can relax somewhat...I'm doing just fine...my Beloved is home now which always makes things better...

280 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:54:20pm

re: #142 kawfytawk

I have never in my life seen a contemporary paperback sell used for 476.00

Maybe it includes a coupon for a date with the author at your bathhouse of choice?

281 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:54:31pm

re: #276 JohnnyReb

I got sent to Japan soon after on the Midway and spent many a liberty in the PI from 1986 to 1989. The base there closed soon after that.

The williwas in Adak were nasty. I have seen 18 wheel trucks blown over and dumpsters blown down the road from them.

What was your rating, JohnnyReb? I was in Subic in 1966, and passed thru Adak on my way to Shemya in 2004.
.

282 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:55:06pm

re: #271 realwest

Hey Real!
Hope things went well today!

283 C2W?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:55:15pm

Desperation time for the radical left wingnuts . . . The smell of fear is omnipresent.

284 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:55:57pm

re: #283 C2W?

Is that a Link?
/don't work if it is ;)

285 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:56:08pm

RealWest
---00---
/fist bump for you bro
My best wishes go out to you tonight..I know..I know.. many prayers have gone out to God for your speedy recovery...and you're dear mother
kind regards...
/So it's girls night out..let's wack us some trolls tonight! LOL
I missed open reg again today.. Someday there will be ( with Charles blessing ) a HoosierHoops_Sock_puppet..
Dang it...I just want to double ding annefrance trolls twice..
Is that too much to ask?

286 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:56:17pm

re: #275 nyc redneck
Thanks {nyc redneck} I appreciate that a lot!

287 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:57:39pm

re: #282 Typicalwhitey
Hey Typicalwhitey - please see my #271 above!
Hope you're doing well!

288 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:58:18pm

re: #275 nyc redneck
And hey {nyc redneck} hope you're doing well too!

289 talon_262  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:58:56pm

re: #153 Ward Cleaver

Howard Bess, meet Fred Phelps.

Cagematch.

/only one comes out

Two men enter, one man leaves!

290 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:59:09pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops
Thanks Hoops, but why bother with a puppet - her type ain't worth it, believe me.

291 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:59:46pm

Catchy story Charles - I've previously stated what my views on Palin are - but some thoughts from others not covered by Salon:

On opposition in Alaska:
Right winger exposes women who rallied against Palin, called them maggots: Eddie Burke of KBYR on the Rally against Palin last weekend.

on library issue:
John Stein, mayor of Wasilla before Palin, noted that “as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. ‘She asked the library how she could go about banning books,’ he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. ‘The librarian was aghast.’ . . . news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker [the librarian] for not giving ‘full support’ to the mayor” .
Time Magazine

...and from NYTimes

(Palin as Mayor) tended carefully to her evangelical base. She appointed a pastor to the town planning board. And she began to eye the library. For years, social conservatives had pressed the library director to remove books they considered immoral.

“People would bring books back censored,” recalled former Mayor John Stein, Ms. Palin’s predecessor. “Pages would get marked up or torn out.”

Witnesses and contemporary news accounts say Ms. Palin asked the librarian about removing books from the shelves. The McCain-Palin presidential campaign says Ms. Palin never advocated censorship.

But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”

Of more concern to me are the following two facts:
During Gibson interview Palin States : "not inappropriate" for a mayor or a governor to work with members of Congress to obtain federal money for infrastructure projects, she argued. "What I supported," she said, "was the link between a community and its airport." That sounds like as logical case closed to my eyes ands ears. She supported the bridge with Federal monies. When the money ran dry - so did the project. Not a really big deal, happens all the time.

What normally doesn't happen though is when a politician admits in public that they stand corrected, then almost immediately, retell the origninal lie:

To a crowd in Nevada on Saturday and again yesterday in at a campaign stop in Golden, CO : "I told Congress thanks but no thanks to that Bridge to Nowhere -- that if our state wanted to build that bridge, we would build it ourselves."

Politicians lie?

292 x-wing  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 4:59:54pm

re: #270 Nancy


Well here's hoping the herd gets' bigger up there. Moose may look ugly when they're alive. But on the wall,oooh baby.

293 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:00:01pm

Well y'all I gotta go eat dinner now - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!
Have a great evening!

294 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:00:33pm

re: #273 realwest

no problem. it still makes me laugh

hope you get good (or at least not bad) news tomorrow

295 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:02:22pm

BTW, something elese I've noticed is going on here with the MSM (such as CNN) -- there are people alleging that "I'm an Independent!" "I'm an Independent, I tell You!" Yet, if you actually listen to the so-called "independents" -- they're doing all the Obama talking points. Some (protestations to the contrary) are, in fact, NOT "independents."

296 joekowalski247  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:02:23pm

moose stew?

297 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:02:41pm

re: #290 realwest

Thanks Hoops, but why bother with a puppet - her type ain't worth it, believe me.

/cause everybody else has a sock puppet... :)

298 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:02:55pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord
Wow

Registered since: Jul 6, 2004 at 6:54 am

No. of comments posted: 31
No. of links posted: 0


You sleepers really are dedicated, I'll give you that much, but nothing more; if y'all would actually read LGF you'd have learned by now that you and Time are both wrong. And no I won't go looking 'em up for you, try doing some work of your own.

299 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:03:48pm

re: #55 jcm

Expensive book? that's a pittance...

Shakespeare’s First Folio, a first edition collection of the Bard’s plays was the most expensive book sold at auction in 2006, bringing $5.1 million USD.

Yeah, but dude...biggg difference between the two tomes.

300 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:03:54pm

re: #298 realwest

Wow


You sleepers really are dedicated, I'll give you that much, but nothing more; if y'all would actually read LGF you'd have learned by now that you and Time are both wrong. And no I won't go looking 'em up for you, try doing some work of your own.


Instead of moby I am coining a new word:

Moosby.

What do you think?

301 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:05:05pm

re: #278 Sharmuta

This election has allowed the mask to completely fall away- not just slip. The ramifications could be hard and long lasting for the drive-by media. I think they'll have a hard time convincing the American public of their objectivity after all this.

isn't it pathetic .
they are so desperate to get this idiot elected.
the awful baby boomer lib fools are the worst.
they just can't get beyond the feel good '60's.
what a dangerous time for them to be so stupid.

302 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:06:04pm

re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is just off the cute scale!

303 J.S.  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:07:27pm

And that Campbell Brown -- that "All Bias, ALL BULL" program...now she claims she'll be bringing out the "truth squad" -- O Hallelujah, it'll be scraping and bowing in Deference to The One...this is hilarious...wonder what new Whoppers her bulls*t team is gong to come up with...no doubt they'll be using the KKKos site (as does the CBC -- their major/sole source for "the news.")

304 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:07:33pm

re: #300 Typicalwhitey

Instead of moby I am coining a new word:

Moosby.

What do you think?

--A Moosby Dick?

Better give that one a little more work?
.

305 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:07:35pm

re: #295 J.S.

BTW, something elese I've noticed is going on here with the MSM (such as CNN) -- there are people alleging that "I'm an Independent!" "I'm an Independent, I tell You!" Yet, if you actually listen to the so-called "independents" -- they're doing all the Obama talking points. Some (protestations to the contrary) are, in fact, NOT "independents."

Along the same lines, we have NOW - (I've bolded some interesting statements):

The National Organization for Women (NOW) said Tuesday it had been pushed by the Republicans pick of Sarah Palin as vice presidential nominee to back Democrat Barack Obama for the White House.

"NOW is going to be endorsing the Obama-Biden ticket," NOW head Kim Gandy told National Public Radio (NPR), referring to Obama and his running mate Joseph Biden.

The 500,000-strong women's movement, which "very, very rarely endorses in a general election", broke with its tradition of neutrality after "the addition of Sarah Palin gave us a new sense of urgency," said Gandy.

"She is being portrayed as a supporter of women's rights ... as a feminist when in fact her positions on so many of the issues are really anathema to ours," Gandy said.

At Gateway Pundit, one anonymous commenter to this story pointed out:

LOLOLOL

Yeah, like they were all ready to back McCain until he dissappointed them with Palin.

It is to laugh!

306 psyop  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:07:36pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

Ah... more discredited rumors being re-hashed in the vain hope that someone might actually believe them THIS time around.

307 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:07:44pm

$456.00 for a book?

That sounds like a self-imposed ban to me.

308 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:08:11pm

Pelosi orders wide Wall Street probe

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Yeah, during an election year this should be good?

309 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:09:42pm
310 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:10:39pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

On the library issue:

The List of Banned Books at Wasilla Library, including item challenged and date of challenge, and disposition of the complaint.

Get your facts straight.

311 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:10:49pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

Pelosi orders wide Wall Street probe

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Yeah, during an election year this should be good?

Why doesn't Pelosi go ask her pals in the MidEast for some sage advice?
.

312 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:11:50pm

re: #271 realwest

Appointments went well, once the radiology clinic became convinced that I WAS scheduled for today!
Won't hear any news until tomorrow and even though I can't do anything about it, I'm so anxious and tense I have a miserable headache, have been grinding my teeth and overall just peachy-keen, thankew very much!
How are y'all doing tonight?

{ { realwest } }

313 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:12:14pm

re: #309 Cattt

I'll see your moose with a buffalo statue and raise you an enema bulb held up by angels statue.

Catt, that's a low-blow! Here I thought we were friends, not enemas...
.

314 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:12:30pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

She's ordering a Wall Street probe on what exactly? That financial services companies were doing exactly what Congress told them to do, and which Congress chose not to act at a time several years back when investigations revealed financial mismanagement at Fannie and Freddie by shifting how those companies' management compensation was doled out?

That those changes took place at a time when Clinton administration linked officials took the reins of power there? And then the Democrats refused to act?

Meanwhile, Pelosi isn't lifting a finger to investigate Rangel, even though he's someone clearly within her reach and who clearly violated Congress' own ethics guidelines. *crickets*

315 lori lane  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:12:32pm

re: #271 realwest

hey, {realwest}. i'm sorry you have to wait to hear the results. just know you're in my thoughts & prayers. hang in there! xoxo

316 jas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:12:44pm

Did anyone just watch Cavuto take O'Reilly to the woodshed? Wow, did that leave a mark...Cavuto called him out on his populist rantings over the economy.

317 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:13:13pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

Pelosi orders wide Wall Street probe

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Yeah, during an election year this should be good?

Because we know those Evilll Bankers were just dying to make loans to people with no ability to pay them back. Fat lot of good it did them. The laws and regulations passed by Democrats going back for decades are the sole reason such loans became compulsory (at the risk of the banks very license) in the first place.

318 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:13:34pm

re: #311 Tamron

Why doesn't Pelosi go ask her pals in the MidEast for some sage advice?
.

They wouldn't really know what she was talking about since they generally bury all their mistakes.

319 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:14:16pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

Pelosi orders wide Wall Street probe

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Yeah, during an election year this should be good?

She can start with Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick, and who got the most $$$ from Fannie Mae.

320 talon_262  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:15:21pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

I detect the distinctive scent of gamey buttocks...

321 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:15:48pm

re: #318 Nevergiveup

They wouldn't really know what she was talking about since they generally bury all their mistakes.

Yeah, I'll bet their backhoe operators are really making a killing over there.
.

322 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:16:43pm

re: #314 lawhawk

She's ordering a Wall Street probe on what exactly? That financial services companies were doing exactly what Congress told them to do, and which Congress chose not to act at a time several years back when investigations revealed financial mismanagement at Fannie and Freddie by shifting how those companies' management compensation was doled out?

That those changes took place at a time when Clinton administration linked officials took the reins of power there? And then the Democrats refused to act?

Meanwhile, Pelosi isn't lifting a finger to investigate Rangel, even though he's someone clearly within her reach and who clearly violated Congress' own ethics guidelines. *crickets*

The first paragraph of the story:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ordered a broad, swift investigation of Wall Street and will demand testimony from Bush administration officials and captains of finance, congressional officials said.

You know how these things go. There is an investigation, and perhaps there are hearings, with all questions asked designed very carefully, and very specifically, to deflect attention away from the actual and real reasons and issues, and very carefully and very specifically designed to elicit information harmful only to the Bush admin.

These things are not intended, ever, to "get at the truth" of anything. A person listening critically during these types of hearings can easily notice the blatant attempts to steer the testimony a particular way, and in a way that will support whatever conclusion they have already formed.

323 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:17:35pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

Pelosi orders wide Wall Street probe

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Yeah, during an election year this should be good?

Oh see now, that's funny, because John McCain this morning called for the same thing, "a 9/11 commission to investigate the reasons behind this failure".

And Obama ridiculed McCain for it just a couple hours later, saying things like John McCain is out of touch and reaches for the Washington standard "commission" as a means of passing the buck.

Heh - Obama's railing against his own party now.

324 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:18:13pm

Yep, 31 comments in four years. Troll.

325 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:18:47pm

re: #298 realwest

Wow


You sleepers really are dedicated, I'll give you that much, but nothing more; if y'all would actually read LGF you'd have learned by now that you and Time are both wrong. And no I won't go looking 'em up for you, try doing some work of your own.

My question is, How could he have known we'd be talking about moose right now?

326 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:20:30pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

Of more concern to me are the following two facts:
During Gibson interview Palin States : "not inappropriate" for a mayor or a governor to work with members of Congress to obtain federal money for infrastructure projects, she argued. "What I supported," she said, "was the link between a community and its airport." That sounds like as logical case closed to my eyes ands ears. She supported the bridge with Federal monies. When the money ran dry - so did the project. Not a really big deal, happens all the time.

What normally doesn't happen though is when a politician admits in public that they stand corrected, then almost immediately, retell the origninal lie:

To a crowd in Nevada on Saturday and again yesterday in at a campaign stop in Golden, CO : "I told Congress thanks but no thanks to that Bridge to Nowhere -- that if our state wanted to build that bridge, we would build it ourselves."

Politicians lie?

Nice way to ignore the actual facts and lean on talking points straight from the Obama campaign.


Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who is still awaiting official results in his primary battle against embattled Alaska Rep. Don Young, said Palin most certainly did reject funding the bridge but did her job as governor by accepting federal dollars.

Palin “has said that she would not stand in the way of infrastructure dollars coming our way to Alaska. But that was when that bridge was, what, $223 million,” Parnell said. “When she got to be governor and found out that it became a $400 million bridge, she said, ‘No, not going to do that.’ Congress was the — was the body that actually pulled the earmark language off of it, letting that money come to Alaska into our transportation formula funds, just like that money goes to other states’ transportation formula funds.”

Source: [Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

327 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:20:34pm

re: #323 Intrepid

Oh see now, that's funny, because John McCain this morning called for the same thing, "a 9/11 commission to investigate the reasons behind this failure".

And Obama ridiculed McCain for it just a couple hours later, saying things like John McCain is out of touch and reaches for the Washington standard "commission" as a means of passing the buck.

Heh - Obama's railing against his own party now.

Well you can't really expect the messiah and Pelosi to coordinate their messages since Obama had to rush out to California to hear babs sing about people who like people?

328 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:20:38pm

Gotta go for a quick ride. Rained all weekend.

BBIAW...

329 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:20:56pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

Meanwhile Nan is ok with admitted tax cheat Charlie Rangel presiding over the Ways and Means Committee.

330 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:21:37pm

re: #322 reine.de.tout

You know how these things go. There is an investigation, and perhaps there are hearings, with all questions asked designed very carefully, and very specifically, to deflect attention away from the actual and real reasons and issues, and very carefully and very specifically designed to elicit information harmful only to the Bush admin.

These things are not intended, ever, to "get at the truth" of anything. A person listening critically during these types of hearings can easily notice the blatant attempts to steer the testimony a particular way, and in a way that will support whatever conclusion they have already formed.

I'd give a pretty penny to see a list of Pelosi's telephone contacts, and there are hopefully those who'd give a small fortune to be able tap her phone for a couple of weeks. Wanna bet there's just a touch of sedition and treason to be found there?
.

331 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:21:45pm

re: #320 talon_262

I detect the distinctive scent of gamey buttocks...

Easy there. Don't get yourself into an awkward situation like the moose and the bison statue.

332 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:22:22pm

re: #329 vagabond trader

Meanwhile Nan is ok with admitted tax cheat Charlie Rangel presiding over the Ways and Means Committee.

Well sho knows the ways and has the means to cheat the government and the American people better than old Charlie?

333 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:22:32pm

re: #327 Nevergiveup

Well you can't really expect the messiah and Pelosi to coordinate their messages since Obama had to rush out to California to hear babs sing about people who like people?

And the reason he has to go out there and get Babs to sing for his supper?

He's got serious money problems, and so does the DNC

334 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:23:58pm
335 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:24:08pm

re: #325 Noam Sayin'

My question is, How could he have known we'd be talking about moose right now?


I fear we have encountered the mysterious "Lurking Troll". This particular breed of troll can be found at the lowest point of the blogoshpere...one may call them bottom feeders.

336 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:24:14pm

re: #330 Tamron

and there are hopefully those who'd give a small fortune to be able tap her phone for a couple of weeks.


We've got a man on it.

Shoot, did I type that out loud?

337 vagabond trader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:25:09pm

re: #333 Intrepid

Must've been that Greek Theater that put them over budget.

338 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:25:53pm

re: #335 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I fear we have encountered the mysterious "Lurking Troll". This particular breed of troll can be found at the lowest point of the blogoshpere...one may call them bottom feeders.

yea..bottom feeders are never good eating..
/Fly fishing rocks..*wink*

339 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:26:12pm

re: #330 Tamron

I'd give a pretty penny to see a list of Pelosi's telephone contacts, and there are hopefully those who'd give a small fortune to be able tap her phone for a couple of weeks. Wanna bet there's just a touch of sedition and treason to be found there?
.


Me, I'd be really wary of accusing somebody of treason and sedition, but I think we could probably agree that she is a nasty, vengeful, spiteful, and sneaky piece of work.

340 callahan23  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:26:29pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

The_Moose_Overlord
Registered since: Jul 6, 2004 at 6:54 am
No. of comments posted: 31
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A sleeper/troll?
You feel lucky, punk?!

341 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:26:40pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

Sniff, sniff. Comment often?

342 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:27:11pm

re: #339 reine.de.tout

Me, I'd be really wary of accusing somebody of treason and sedition, but I think we could probably agree that she is a nasty, vengeful, spiteful, and sneaky piece of work.

You're just jealous of her youthful appearance.
///

343 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:27:48pm

What happened to the mouse underachiever?

344 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:27:54pm

re: #334 ploome hineni

anyone have that video fimed with infra red, of the man and goat in Iraq?

/or was it Afganistan?

gah, who would want it?

345 wtc394  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:27:57pm

Anyone catch Hannity radio today ? He mentioned a 2005 banking bill by McCain which pretty much saw this whole mess coming. Gonna go search for the link.

346 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:29:45pm

re: #342 JCM

You're just jealous of her youthful appearance.
///

LOL!
Oh, yeah, that's it.
I sometimes think I might like a little nip and tuck, but then I say to myself, why should I take my good, hard-earned money and pay a lot of it to somebody to cut my face up with a knife?

Just ain't gonna happen.

347 Catttt  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:30:14pm

re: #317 rawmuse

Because we know those Evilll Bankers were just dying to make loans to people with no ability to pay them back. Fat lot of good it did them. The laws and regulations passed by Democrats going back for decades are the sole reason such loans became compulsory (at the risk of the banks very license) in the first place.


Mr. Scapegoat! Call for Mr. Scapegoat!
Nancy Pelosi is on the line for you. Mr. Scapegoat!

348 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:30:14pm

re: #335 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Maybe related to sitting, perhaps a sitting moose?

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 6
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349 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:30:44pm

re: #343 Ward Cleaver

What happened to the mouse underachiever?

Him apparently left. He had no comments that I could find from December 2007 until now; and then 12 since September 1st.

350 Dasher  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:31:02pm

Official word from Wasilla mayors office: [Link: www.cityofwasilla.com...]

Another other thought on books in libraries. Every library censors books all the time. They are censors by not having them. No library has every book ever printed, and so they make decisions when ever they buy books and exercise there knowledge of there customer base on which books and other publications to by and catalog. It is censorship to some, no less then taking a book off the shelf is. A library can easily make a mistake on the purchase of a particular book so what is the problem?

351 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:31:23pm

re: #348 Cap'n DOC

Maybe related to sitting, perhaps a sitting moose?

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 6
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Who is that?

352 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:32:11pm
353 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:32:30pm

Check out Riehlworldview, this post and the next three.

Who the heck is running Obama's campaign, a six year old?

354 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:32:44pm

re: #322 reine.de.tout

You know how these things go. There is an investigation, and perhaps there are hearings, with all questions asked designed very carefully, and very specifically, to deflect attention away from the actual and real reasons and issues, and very carefully and very specifically designed to elicit information harmful only to the Bush admin.

These things are not intended, ever, to "get at the truth" of anything. A person listening critically during these types of hearings can easily notice the blatant attempts to steer the testimony a particular way, and in a way that will support whatever conclusion they have already formed.

If Obama wins there will be a soviet style investigation into the Bush administration. The investigation will be staffed entirely with BDS victims and supported by the BDS MSM'ers. If this is successful in indicting Bush and convicting, then expect more mass pogrom's targeting conservatives, starting with talk radio and conservative blogs. Obama big secret is his liberal socialism and its attendant bullying.

355 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:33:54pm

re: #345 wtc394

Anyone catch Hannity radio today ? He mentioned a 2005 banking bill by McCain which pretty much saw this whole mess coming. Gonna go search for the link.

Yes I heard that.

Rush was all over it as well - imploring McCain to bring it up. He said the democrats tee'd it up for him, he just needs to swing away.

356 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:34:07pm

This is long but I want to put Mungers OWN words about Governor Palin on line. I wonder at what point did he become her critic? Her is what he wrote about her in December, 2007:
Not a negative word about her ...

Top Ten Alaskan Political Events of 2007 --
Posted by Philip Munger in December, 2007 --


Governor Sarah Palin Shakes Up Alaska, But Makes Less of an Impression Outside - at Least on Her Party's Leaders

Governor Palin’s ascent from the Wasilla Planning Commission to Alaska Governor took fourteen years. She began getting recognition after beating Wasilla’s popular and effective Mayor, John Stein. Her two terms there saw her mature from a fairly doctrinaire conservative to pragmatic populist. After narrowly losing a GOP Lieutenant Governor Primary to Loren Lehman in 2002, she was hired by Gov. Frank Murkowski to run the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Murkowski probably hoped to rope Palin into a dependancy upon the longstanding modus operandi of big oil corrupt practices here. The move failed, as Palin objected to a number of ethical lapses in the Murkowski machine.

What happened next was more than a little surprising. She set up a political campaign organization independent of both big oil and the GOP machine. She didn’t just beat these forces, she kicked their butt. Along the way she solidly thrashed ex-Governor Tony Knowles.

But these were the mere preliminaries to 2007. She didn’t make tremendous headway against the 2007 legislature while it was in session. Her vetoes of their budget items were quite extensive, though, shaking up the inveterate complacency of this club as they were reeling from the GOP big-oil corruption busts of their colleagues and top campaign donors.

Palin combined this momentum, hard work and charm to conclude the most effective special session in a generation.

National attention has come Palin’s way, but outsiders understand Alaskans little, and our politics even less. Even less, can lower-48 Republicans identify with somebody who can think for herself. And although blogs like Wonkette and magazines such as Vogue see Palin as a babe, Palin sees herself more as an athlete or mom. There is too much cogninitive dissonance between what outsiders want of her and what she feels is important right now, for her popularity to snowball nationally.

The Matanuska-Susitna Valley, home of Sarah Palin’s rise, is perhaps the most rapidly changing political environment in this most politically in-flux state in the USA right now. Moderates and progressives made solid gains in 2006 and 2007 in local government.

7. Randy Ruedrich Retains GOP Chair in Spite of Ineffectiveness

The day after Sarah Palin won the 2006 GOP gubernatorial primary, Randy Reudrich sent current State Senate President Lyda Green to Palin’s house with a huge wad of campaign money from Reudrich’s well-greased big oil machine. Palin refused the money. She has since asked for Reudrich to step down. There is a lot personal going on here, but Palin was right. to be continued --I'll give the link

357 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:35:05pm

re: #354 loflyer

If Obama wins there will be a soviet style investigation into the Bush administration. The investigation will be staffed entirely with BDS victims and supported by the BDS MSM'ers. If this is successful in indicting Bush and convicting, then expect more mass pogrom's targeting conservatives, starting with talk radio and conservative blogs. Obama big secret is his liberal socialism and its attendant bullying.

Yes. As you say, he has already started with talk show hosts who invite guests who don't meet Obama's criteria.

It will be worse that the cleaning the Clintons did.

358 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:35:26pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

Yeah- because repeating lies often enough always makes them true!

359 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:35:27pm

re: #348 Cap'n DOC

Maybe related to sitting, perhaps a sitting moose?

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 6
No. of links posted: 0

Sitting is a distant relation to the lurking...the lurking troll is known for watching his/her/it's prey and making sudden, and always, fruitless attacks...it is mysterious as to how the lurking troll survives, but the fashionable theory is that they subsist on a diet of doritos, diet coke and mary jane, all partaken in the dark halls of their progenitors basements.

360 godfrey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:35:39pm

Fortunately, it won't come to that, because Obama is going to get a drubbing.

361 christheprofessor  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:35:45pm

re: #348 Cap'n DOC

Maybe related to sitting, perhaps a sitting moose?

Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 6
No. of links posted: 0

I was thinking the same thing. Though part of me thinks it might be annefrance -- in a singe post, they each dropped more shit than a Dave Matthews Band tour bus, then disappeared...

362 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:36:49pm

re: #355 Racer X

Yes I heard that.

Rush was all over it as well - imploring McCain to bring it up. He said the democrats tee'd it up for him, he just needs to swing away.

"Tell Merrill to swing away"...

Heh. I love M Night Shyamalan.

363 Fredlike  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:37:37pm

re: #202 nyc redneck

obama is not a charitable person.
he's not going to offer 'his' money for the greater good.
dingy harry, also a cheap bastard, should have known better than to ask.

The $28,500 per plate fund raiser is for the DNC. You can not give that much to an individual candidate. The party can spend the money on Obama adds if they want. Or they could give it to the senate and house committees or they could use it to pay off convention cost overruns or just use it for normal DNC expenses.

364 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:38:54pm

PELOSI PUSHES RANGEL TO STEP DOWN FROM COMMITTEE CHAIR
Rangel subsequently admitted owing at least $10,000 in back taxes and became a target of Republican political attacks.

One member of the New York congressional delegation who supported Pelosi's decision said, "You have to have one standard - you can't have one for [Republicans] and one for us."

Rangel himself remained mum on his sitdown with Pelosi after exiting a later, separate meeting with fellow Democratic committee members.

"I am unable to say anything," he said before bizarrely rattling off his name, rank and serial number from his Korean War days. "Do to me what you want, I'm not talking."

The 76-year-old politician smiled when asked if he was still chairman of the powerful tax panel.

Pelosi later denied through spokesperson Nadeam Elshami that she has asked Rangel to step aside.

365 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:39:30pm

Re: Phil Munger and all his positive comments about Governor Palin in December, 2007:

HERE"S THE CLINCHER:

Update: I've posted a slightly different version of this, with about 30 hyperlinks attached, over at DailyKos.

Posted by Philip Munger at 12:56 AM
[Link: progressivealaska.blogspot.com...]

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:39:48pm
367 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:40:37pm

re: #351 reine.de.tout

Sitting is sitting here:

368 jacksontn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:40:44pm

re: #363 Fredlike

The $28,500 per plate fund raiser is for the DNC. You can not give that much to an individual candidate. The party can spend the money on Obama adds if they want. Or they could give it to the senate and house committees or they could use it to pay off convention cost overruns or just use it for normal DNC expenses.

And after dinner for a small sum of $2,500 you can see a Babs concert. People ...

369 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:41:22pm

re: #362 Intrepid

"Tell Merrill to swing away"...

Heh. I love M Night Shyamalan.

I think I am the only one who thought "Signs" was a really good scary movie.

370 wtc394  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:41:32pm

no luck with link,just McCain hate sites masquerading as news and as the Phillies are mounting a rally, BBL

371 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:42:01pm

RANGEL MUST GO.

372 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:42:21pm

re: #368 jacksontn

And after dinner for a small sum of $2,500 you can see a Babs concert. People ...

You would have to pay 2'500 to see the lying waste of a good voice.

373 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:42:47pm

re: #368 jacksontn

And after dinner for a small sum of $2,500 you can see a Babs concert. People ...

How much do you have contribute to use the crapper at a shindig like that?

374 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:43:09pm

re: #367 Cap'n DOC

Sitting is sitting here:

I wuz slow.

375 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:43:13pm

re: #369 Racer X

I think I am the only one who thought "Signs" was a really good scary movie.

I'm with ya on that. I liked that movie, and I like most of what Shyamalan does. He would have been great directing the last Harry Potter movie.

376 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:43:18pm

re: #308 Nevergiveup

Pelosi orders wide Wall Street probe

Sounds painful.

I'd like to order a wide probe on some of these guys, but their in-person testimony won't be very informative. Need numbers, data, testimony from some of the troops. I want answers, mister!

Pelosi, Waxman, and that crew are as useless as any members of Congress in the history of the republic.

/ps - Charles, typing here is abominably slow again on yes, IE6.

377 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:43:58pm

Correction
You would have to pay ME 2'500 to see the lying waste of a good voice.

378 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:44:08pm

Good evening.

Well, the United States of America will soon own an insurance company, it seems.

379 Fredlike  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:44:54pm

re: #372 loflyer

You would have to pay 2'500 to see the lying waste of a good voice.

The $2500 would go to Obama, probably. Didn't realize it was two separate events, I assume the dinner guest also got into see Babs without ponying up an extra $2500.

380 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:44:54pm
381 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:45:26pm

I wish zombie were there to record the celebs arrival in biodiesel-powered Ferraris and the like.

382 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:45:51pm

re: #381 itellu3times

I wish zombie were there to record the celebs arrival in biodiesel-powered Ferraris and the like.

Who says he/she isn't?

383 Cartman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:45:56pm

re: #354 loflyer

I agree. If The Messiah™ ascends, I fully expect the left to exact revenge for "the eight years of misery" they claim they endured under GWB. They'll form the gauntlet, and run everything/everyone from Bush to talk radio through it. The 2nd Amendment won't be far behind that. All people and institutions that grate against their warped world view will be fair game. It's a nightmare scenario that we must avoid like the plague. Barack Hussein Obama MUST be defeated in November.

384 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:46:09pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

Good evening.

Well, the United States of America will soon own an insurance company, it seems.

Does that mean I get I discount on premiums as an owner?

385 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:46:40pm

re: #380 buzzsawmonkey

Which came first, the AIG or the chickens coming home to roost?

AIG! is actually the sound we're supposed to make in contemplating this whole mess.

I'm confused by one thing (well, more than one, but this for starters):

The Federal Reserve will provide a roughly $85 billion bridge loan to AIG (AIG.N) and take a nearly 80 percent stake in the company

So... is that a loan, or equity, or both?

386 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:46:49pm

re: #379 Fredlike

You assume correctly...the 28,500 dinner was limited to 250 people.
They got tickets to the concert.

The concert tickets alone were for 500 persons at 2500 --

387 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:47:23pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

Good evening.

Well, the United States of America will soon own an insurance company, it seems.

Excellent, that is the proper answer, using Treasury money to acquire these companies - at remnant prices.

388 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:47:23pm

re: #384 JCM

Does that mean I get I discount on premiums as an owner?

Yup, just like that rebate the IRS sends ya every year?

389 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:47:26pm
I am Barack Obama!

at least six Brazilian politicians have officially renamed themselves "Barack Obama" in a bid to get an edge over their rivals in October's municipal elections.


No John McCain?

390 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:47:27pm

Next, we nationalize those annoying insurance cavemen.

391 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:48:09pm

re: #385 Occasional Reader

So... is that a loan, or equity, or both?

Sounds like the kinda loan the mafia makes?

392 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:48:18pm
393 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:48:25pm

re: #339 reine.de.tout

Me, I'd be really wary of accusing somebody of treason and sedition, but I think we could probably agree that she is a nasty, vengeful, spiteful, and sneaky piece of work.

Yup, I was just swayed by Richard Cohen's recent 'treason'accusation against McCain...


McCain has soiled all that. His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for.

So if treason is betrayal, Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly been betraying her position of trust. We deserve to know the motivation behind her actions.
.

394 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:48:42pm

re: #373 Nevergiveup

I dunno, but I wanna know if it's a Banjo. I learned that here on LGF...

395 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:49:09pm

re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Brings back childhood memories of idyllic summers up north in Minnesota...just me the moose and an occasional loon--although I never saw any go through a sprinkler. My ex husband liked to tell the story about the bear who came into his parents home while he was watching Saturday morning cartoons.

396 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:49:10pm

re: #375 Intrepid

I'm with ya on that. I liked that movie, and I like most of what Shyamalan does. He would have been great directing the last Harry Potter movie.

I like him too, but surely you agree Lady in the Water was almost unwatchable?

397 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:49:24pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

Good evening.

Well, the United States of America will soon own an insurance company, it seems.

Well, if we the people are going to own a company that mismanaged itself into nearly oblivion, shouldn't somebody be going to jail?

398 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:49:25pm

re: #383 Cartman

I agree. If The Messiah™ ascends, I fully expect the left to exact revenge for "the eight years of misery" they claim they endured under GWB. They'll form the gauntlet, and run everything/everyone from Bush to talk radio through it. The 2nd Amendment won't be far behind that. All people and institutions that grate against their warped world view will be fair game. It's a nightmare scenario that we must avoid like the plague. Barack Hussein Obama MUST be defeated in November.

Obama said he won't take our guns...

“If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it,’’ Obama said. But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.

So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’


Well, not until he has the votes that is.

399 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:50:02pm

re: #390 Occasional Reader

Next, we nationalize those annoying insurance cavemen.

Does that mean we'll end up subsidizing their mango salsa?

400 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:50:36pm

re: #388 Nevergiveup

Yup, just like that rebate the IRS sends ya every year?

I like those, free money from the government...
Oh wait, it WAS MINE before I gave it to them!

401 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:50:59pm
402 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:51:10pm

re: #389 Racer X

t least six Brazilian politicians have officially renamed themselves "Barack Obama" in a bid to get an edge over their rivals in October's municipal elections.

Oi Brazil! Você precisa de um sétimo?


(Hi Brazil! Do you need a seventh?)

403 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:51:17pm

re: #385 Occasional Reader

So... is that a loan, or equity, or both?

I don't see confirmation of this yet, but I presume they are issued new shares, in exchange for making the loan.

THE THING IS, if they are $80,000,000,000 in the hole, that $80b is out there in somebodies' pockets. So, the situation SUCKS, but given where we are, this is probably the best way out.

404 Fredlike  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:51:35pm

re: #386 Nancy

Never seem to get invites to those things. Did get one for a lunch with Cheney one time for $50 each. Would have gone but was out of town. The pre meal get together was more like $1500 but that did include 10 lunch tickets as well.

405 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:52:06pm

McCain-backed Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Blocked by democrats.

This will leave a mark, to quote many Lizards.

406 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:52:13pm

re: #364 Racer X

Pelosi can't force Rangel to step down. She needs the NY delegation and the CBC to get out the vote, especially with a close election upcoming. Sending Rangel out to pasture wouldn't help matters, and she'd need Rangel to step down on his own.

That isn't going to happen. It's hypocrisy in action (or inaction)

So Pelosi is screwed and is left trying to spin things. And hope that the GOP doesn't notice that Rangel is still hanging around despite the tax cheat still running Ways and Means, which legislates and formulates the nation's tax laws.

407 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:52:26pm

re: #362 Intrepid

"Tell Merrill to swing away"...

Heh. I love M Night Shyamalan.

Ugh.

The Sixth Sense was brilliant.

Unbreakable was pretty good.

Since then ... suck, suck, suck, suck.

I now expect his movies to be bad.

408 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:52:40pm

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

Good question. As far as I can see, either way we're being soaked to underwrite the stupid decisions of greedy fools.

Yeah, but... I do have to say, if AIG failed, that would be, um, really, really bad.
To put it mildly. Systemically, contagion-type bad.

So I can see why SOMETHING had to be done.

409 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:52:48pm

re: #396 NC State of Mind

I like him too, but surely you agree Lady in the Water was almost unwatchable?

I didn't even see it, so for me, I guess it was! Heh.

410 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:52:52pm
411 CommonSense  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:53:53pm

re: #20 MrSnuggles

We all wonder that and the question is not a republican or democrat or independent issue. Any clear thinking American would want the answers to many NObama questions.

But we all know that the MSM is in bed with the NObama campaign.

412 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:54:10pm
413 jacksontn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:54:46pm

re: #405 Intrepid

McCain-backed Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Blocked by democrats.

This will leave a mark, to quote many Lizards.

Stinging.

414 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:55:24pm

re: #369 Racer X

I think I am the only one who thought "Signs" was a really good scary movie.

I watched it on DVD and was just thinking about how ridiculous it was.

Aliens who can be killed with water invade a planet that is mostly water. Hell, the water in the atmosphere alone should have poisoned them. Good job, advance scouts!

And then all the crap about God cutting Mel Gibson's wife in half so she could blurt a bunch of cryptic messages that Mel figures out years later, causing him to regain his faith. Me, I would have said, "Hey God! Couldn't you have just called me? I'm listed!"

415 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:55:28pm

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

If Obama wins, and becomes CinC, will military installations create a "Barracks Obama?"

If Kucinich had won, his only military initiative would have been to restart the "Midgetman" missile project.

416 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:55:56pm

Just so I understand this. Obama has announced his plan to raise the tax on anyone making more than 250 grand. He has this 27 grand a plate fund raiser. So a couple would have to pay 54 grand for Dinner, and 5 grand for entertainment. Can there be any doubt that the only ones attending this event are all millionaires and they are not so dumb as to believe Obama's tax would hit them the hardest. So the fix is in, there will be large and gaping loopholes for Obama's rich friends, neighbors and himself. The tax increase will hit middle class and corporate tax payers the worse. I propose the fair share tax. all citizens and corporate entities will pay a flat tax on income. No progressive rate, no loopholes.
Why should the poor get a free ride on my back? They absorb most of my income tax. They can pay the same share as me.
/Frack 'em!

417 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:56:03pm

re: #406 lawhawk

Pelosi can't force Rangel to step down. She needs the NY delegation and the CBC to get out the vote, especially with a close election upcoming. Sending Rangel out to pasture wouldn't help matters, and she'd need Rangel to step down on his own.

That isn't going to happen. It's hypocrisy in action (or inaction)

So Pelosi is screwed and is left trying to spin things. And hope that the GOP doesn't notice that Rangel is still hanging around despite the tax cheat still running Ways and Means, which legislates and formulates the nation's tax laws.

Yep - I see it as a lose-lose for the dems.

418 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:56:35pm

re: #415 Occasional Reader

If Kucinich had won, his only military initiative would have been to restart the "Midgetman" missile project.

How long have you been waiting to spring that one on us? Come on you can tell us?

419 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:56:50pm

sleeper - troll - hmmm - nope - just comment when the feeling takes me...
but thanks for the credit check buddy.

on the library issue the views of the former Mayor Stein were expressed and seemed relevent to the topic of Palin's opposition in Alaska and were neither retracted nor corrected by either paper.

Palin had told the press that, when she asked about the process of removing books from the library, it was a “rhetorical question”—actually, more likely a hypothetical one—but the new reports suggest some potential motivation.

Emmons (the librarian) is quoted as stating: "drew a clear distinction… between the nature of Palin's inquiries and an established book-challenge policy in place in Wasilla, and in most public libraries" and said that Palin asked the library director if she could live with censorship of library books. Palin, however, told the newspaper "she had no particular books or other material in mind."

This is a very murky story.

No comments from anyone regarding the TV announcer deploying names on air or calling the hosts of the anti-Palin parade "maggots"?

Of more importance in my post - that Palin truth is uttered when it suits her. Damned the facts. This seems current and not at all spurious.

420 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:57:02pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

Does that mean we'll end up subsidizing their mango salsa?

I'm am absolutly totally, 100 percent fed up with these SOB's using MY MONEY to give to these bastards.

Is there anything that can be done to stop this sort of horsesheet short of another Boston Tea Party (which by the way, I wan't invited to)

421 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:57:04pm

re: #414 Tigger2005

I watched it on DVD and was just thinking about how ridiculous it was.

Aliens who can be killed with water invade a planet that is mostly water. Hell, the water in the atmosphere alone should have poisoned them. Good job, advance scouts!

And then all the crap about God cutting Mel Gibson's wife in half so she could blurt a bunch of cryptic messages that Mel figures out years later, causing him to regain his faith. Me, I would have said, "Hey God! Couldn't you have just called me? I'm listed!"

Yep. And it's pretty unclear how the apparently unarmed aliens are even able to carry out a half-assed invasion in the first place. You'd think people would just, you know, SHOOT them, even before they figured out that just turning on the sprinklers would do the job.

It was dumb on many levels.

422 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:57:12pm

re: #383 Cartman

I agree. If The Messiah™ ascends, I fully expect the left to exact revenge for "the eight years of misery" they claim they endured under GWB. They'll form the gauntlet, and run everything/everyone from Bush to talk radio through it. The 2nd Amendment won't be far behind that. All people and institutions that grate against their warped world view will be fair game. It's a nightmare scenario that we must avoid like the plague. Barack Hussein Obama MUST be defeated in November.

I'm with you 100 percent on that one Cart!

423 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:57:41pm

re: #418 Nevergiveup

How long have you been waiting to spring that one on us? Come on you can tell us?

It just came to me now, like the Holy Spirit.

424 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:58:08pm

re: #405 Intrepid

McCain-backed Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Blocked by democrats.

This will leave a mark, to quote many Lizards.

THat is the money piece, well done.
Evening everybody, what now, so some idiot wants to cry in public that his masturbatory fantasy wasn't purchased in some backwater little library? It would surprise me if the Library of Congress wasted valuable space on it.

425 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:59:00pm

re: #414 Tigger2005

I watched it on DVD and was just thinking about how ridiculous it was.


I guess I didn't get that deep. I just kept thinking "crap, if aliens were to show up on earth they would certainly be less than friendly".

426 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:59:04pm

re: #412 buzzsawmonkey

Why AIG more than, say, Freddie and Fannie? Or Lehman?

AIG is pretty much the same deal as F&F.

427 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:59:08pm

re: #405 Intrepid

McCain-backed Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Blocked by democrats.

This will leave a mark, to quote many Lizards.

That's going to make it hard to smear him.

428 CommonSense  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:59:19pm

re: #384 JCM

A good citizen discount.

429 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:59:38pm

re: #421 Occasional Reader

Yep. And it's pretty unclear how the apparently unarmed aliens are even able to carry out a half-assed invasion in the first place. You'd think people would just, you know, SHOOT them, even before they figured out that just turning on the sprinklers would do the job. It was dumb on many levels.

No it wasn't. The aliens knew that we would just "all try to get along."

/Not

430 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 5:59:50pm

re: #413 jacksontn

Stinging.

Everything that could be good for America is blocked by Democrats.

431 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:00:09pm

re: #405 Intrepid

McCain-backed Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Blocked by democrats.

This will leave a mark, to quote many Lizards.

That link needs to appear on Drudge.

432 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:00:38pm

re: #390 Occasional Reader

Next, we nationalize those annoying insurance cavemen.

And SHOOT that damned gekko...

433 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:00:42pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

No it wasn't. The aliens knew that we would just "all try to get along."

/Not

I think you're thinking of "Mars Attacks!"

434 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:00:54pm

re: #431 jwb7605

That link needs to appear on Drudge.

Drudge has gone over to the dark side.

435 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:01:10pm

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

I'm am absolutly totally, 100 percent fed up with these SOB's using MY MONEY to give to these bastards.

Is there anything that can be done to stop this sort of horsesheet short of another Boston Tea Party (which by the way, I wan't invited to)

What about Plugs Biden? He wants all of us to pony up more taxes, but the man has made $2,200,000 over ten years and given $3,600 of it to charity. That is less than $1/day. What the hell? Give the Democrats credit for successfully painting Republicans as the elitist party all the while doing crap like that.

436 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:02:32pm

re: #427 Sharmuta

That's going to make it hard to smear him.

The ad practically writes itself.

Wonder how Obama voted on it?

437 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:02:48pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Drudge has gone over to the dark side.

Almost never look at it in recent years. Something about the layout displeases. It is like a museum peice of what the internet was.

438 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:02:57pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Drudge has gone over to the dark side.

It still needs to appear on Drudge. Somehow.
That's "the #1 site", like it or not.
Pajamas Media is way better, but not as popular.

439 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:02:58pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

sleeper - troll - hmmm - nope - just comment when the feeling takes me...
but thanks for the credit check buddy.

on the library issue the views of the former Mayor Stein were expressed and seemed relevent to the topic of Palin's opposition in Alaska and were neither retracted nor corrected by either paper.

Palin had told the press that, when she asked about the process of removing books from the library, it was a “rhetorical question”—actually, more likely a hypothetical one—but the new reports suggest some potential motivation.

Emmons (the librarian) is quoted as stating: "drew a clear distinction… between the nature of Palin's inquiries and an established book-challenge policy in place in Wasilla, and in most public libraries" and said that Palin asked the library director if she could live with censorship of library books. Palin, however, told the newspaper "she had no particular books or other material in mind."

This is a very murky story.

No comments from anyone regarding the TV announcer deploying names on air or calling the hosts of the anti-Palin parade "maggots"?

Of more importance in my post - that Palin truth is uttered when it suits her. Damned the facts. This seems current and not at all spurious.


Where do you stand, on the FACT, that Obama's political career was started right in Bill Ayers (murderer/terrorist) own home, and that Obama and Ayers have had a very close, chummy relationship since then?

Just curious.

440 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:03:02pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

This is a very murky story.


Murky like having your political career start in the home of un-repentant terrorist Bill Ayers?

Murky like why Obama keeps having to disavow former friends and mentors?

Murky like that?

441 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:03:15pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

sleeper - troll - hmmm - nope - just comment when the feeling takes me...
but thanks for the credit check buddy.

on the library issue the views of the former Mayor Stein were expressed and seemed relevent to the topic of Palin's opposition in Alaska and were neither retracted nor corrected by either paper.

Palin had told the press that, when she asked about the process of removing books from the library, it was a “rhetorical question”—actually, more likely a hypothetical one—but the new reports suggest some potential motivation.

Emmons (the librarian) is quoted as stating: "drew a clear distinction… between the nature of Palin's inquiries and an established book-challenge policy in place in Wasilla, and in most public libraries" and said that Palin asked the library director if she could live with censorship of library books. Palin, however, told the newspaper "she had no particular books or other material in mind."

With thirty plus investigators in Alaska, and the best they can come up with is "trooper-gate" and book censoring? And they actually pay these people? No one said the Democrats were good businessmen...
/Did I just offend business women?

This is a very murky story.

No comments from anyone regarding the TV announcer deploying names on air or calling the hosts of the anti-Palin parade "maggots"?

Of more importance in my post - that Palin truth is uttered when it suits her. Damned the facts. This seems current and not at all spurious.

442 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:03:20pm
443 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:04:26pm

re: #438 jwb7605

It still needs to appear on Drudge. Somehow.
That's "the #1 site", like it or not.
Pajamas Media is way better, but not as popular.

I agree, but I doubt Drudge will link it.

444 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:04:38pm

re: #436 Intrepid

The ad practically writes itself.

Wonder how Obama voted on it?

It appears it never reached the Senate:

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

445 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:05:21pm

Other than the real bad poll results from NY has there been any news today?

446 loflyer  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:05:34pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

sleeper - troll - hmmm - nope - just comment when the feeling takes me...
but thanks for the credit check buddy.

on the library issue the views of the former Mayor Stein were expressed and seemed relevent to the topic of Palin's opposition in Alaska and were neither retracted nor corrected by either paper.

Palin had told the press that, when she asked about the process of removing books from the library, it was a “rhetorical question”—actually, more likely a hypothetical one—but the new reports suggest some potential motivation.

Emmons (the librarian) is quoted as stating: "drew a clear distinction… between the nature of Palin's inquiries and an established book-challenge policy in place in Wasilla, and in most public libraries" and said that Palin asked the library director if she could live with censorship of library books. Palin, however, told the newspaper "she had no particular books or other material in mind."

With thirty plus investigators in Alaska, and the best they can come up with is "trooper-gate" and book censoring? And they actually pay these people? No one said the Democrats were good businessmen...
/Did I just offend business women?

This is a very murky story.

No comments from anyone regarding the TV announcer deploying names on air or calling the hosts of the anti-Palin parade "maggots"?

Of more importance in my post - that Palin truth is uttered when it suits her. Damned the facts. This seems current and not at all spurious.

447 Code Red 21  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:05:57pm

re: #334 ploome hineni

anyone have that video fimed with infra red, of the man and goat in Iraq?

/or was it Afganistan?

I'm technically challenged so I can't link the video but if you go to You Tube and type in Iraqi Donkey Fun the video will come up. Enjoy

448 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:06:15pm

I think the Obama camp is an obamanation. There is no candidate for Moose this season.

449 loppyd  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:06:31pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

Emmons (the librarian) is quoted as stating: "drew a clear distinction… between the nature of Palin's inquiries and an established book-challenge policy in place in Wasilla, and in most public libraries" and said that Palin asked the library director if she could live with censorship of library books. Palin, however, told the newspaper "she had no particular books or other material in mind."

Little problem with your story. The librarian's name is Mary Ellen Baker.

Here's what she said:

This week, ABC News reported that Baker, in her first public statement, said: "I simply do not recall a conversation with specific (book) titles."

450 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:06:49pm

I'm still disgusted that the story about Obama meddling with the Iraqi government hasn't made news.

Not shocked, but disgusted nonetheless.

451 Alouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:07:00pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

Quick question for the Overloud:

Which books were removed from the Wasilla Library at Sarah Palin's request?

452 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:07:04pm

re: #445 lifeofthemind

Other than the real bad poll results from NY has there been any news today?

Asian markets plunged, and I'm looking into cheap clapboard to build my apple-selling stand.

453 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:07:10pm

Fox News headline:

Strange 'Ant From Mars' Discovered in Amazon Rainforest

I, for one, welcome... ahhh, you know the rest.

454 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:08:03pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

It appears it never reached the Senate:

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

It did pass the House, though, 210-205, 19 not voting. Betcha Nancy was against it.

455 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:08:11pm

re: #448 The_Moose_Overlord

I think the Obama camp is an obamanation. There is no candidate for Moose this season.

There's always Squirrel.

456 yochanan  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:08:19pm

Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

Bill Summary

1/26/2005--Introduced. Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 - Amends the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 to establish: (1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board. Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting. Amends the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation. Transfers the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation. Excludes the Federal Home Loan Banks from certain securities reporting requirements. Abolishes the Federal Housing Finance Board.

supported by John McCain killed by democrats.

457 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:08:33pm

re: #454 Intrepid

It did pass the House, though, 210-205, 19 not voting. Betcha Nancy was against it.

Looks like it got killed in committee.

458 Cartman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:08:44pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Drudge has gone over to the dark side.

Darth Sulzberger: "I am your father, Matt".

459 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:09:23pm

re: #452 Tigger2005

Asian markets plunged, and I'm looking into cheap clapboard to build my apple-selling stand.

That could be the new national health plan after Obama sucks all the money out of America, an apple a day.

460 neocon hippie  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:09:23pm

If Obummer is elected and tries to pull any of the stunts mentioned: "war crimes" trials of Bush administration officials, gun grabs, Fairness Doctrine, or otherwise starts messing with the Constitution, there's going to be some serious conflict and unrest.

461 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #443 Nevergiveup

I agree, but I doubt Drudge will link it.

We'll see. I just submitted the title and the link. Hannity is actually mentioning it as I type.

Let's both hope you're wrong. I'm just trying to live up to your nic.

462 jacksontn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:09:37pm

Hannity just mentioned bill on his show. The bill was I guess stalled in committee.

Jul 28, 2005: Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably.
Introduced on Jan 26, 2005.
Jan 26, 2005: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.

463 mikalm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:10:07pm

> Another valley activist, Philip Munger

Activist, (n): An a$$hole looking for a cause to attach itself to.

464 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:10:10pm

re: #449 loppyd

Actually, befor she was married, the name was emmons

465 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:11:01pm

re: #450 TheMatrix31

I'm still disgusted that the story about Obama meddling with the Iraqi government hasn't made news.

Not shocked, but disgusted nonetheless.

I'm more disgusted that I haven't seen it covered on television one freaking time.


They just showed Obama's new commercial about the economy in crisis on Fox. That commercial seriously reminded me of the guy in Little Nicky running and screaming "We are all gonna die!"

That's all Obama's got.

466 Knitwit  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:11:28pm

re: #271 realwest
Ain't modern medicine great? Hang in there, and in no time we'll have that universal health care.

Hope you get good news!

467 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:11:44pm

I am really starting to think all these petty investigations into Palin's background are detracting from the important investigations into Obama's background.

That have yet to begin.

I mean really. A librarian who was not fired. Books that were not banned. An ex brother-in-law who tazered his son.

How come no one wants to talk about this:

Obama's Foul Weather Friends
As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he "left the room to cry." He said, "I realized...America was an evil... and that I was... living inside the belly of the beast..."

468 Alouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:11:54pm

re: #131 sitting

Interesting that Charles links to the $476 book using the LGF Amazon affiliate URL... then again, a slice of $476 isn't anything to sneeze at.

And the problem with that is...?

469 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:12:05pm

re: #452 Tigger2005

Asian markets plunged, and I'm looking into cheap clapboard to build my apple-selling stand.

And the US markets bounced back fairly nicely. So hold off on making that stand. Things are, ah, interesting, but not THAT interesting.

470 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:12:19pm
471 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:12:32pm

re: #419 The_Moose_Overlord

The only thing murky is what's going on between your ears.

472 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:13:01pm

re: #453 Occasional Reader

Fox News headline:

Strange 'Ant From Mars' Discovered in Amazon Rainforest

I, for one, welcome... ahhh, you know the rest.

No, no ... these are ants from Mars.

473 Nevergiveup  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:13:33pm

Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and New York Senator Hillary Clinton will be among the speakers at a massive New York rally to protest Iran's presence at the opening of the United Nations General Assembly next Monday, event organizers said Tuesday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Maybe I'll go if Sarah is gonna be there. Yes I will.

474 loppyd  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #464 The_Moose_Overlord

Actually before she was married it was Baker. She has gone back to using her maiden name.

Over the last few days, old friends have started to realize that the woman in the Palin controversy is the Mary Ellen Baker they knew in Salem. Some said they didn't make the connection at first because stories have used Baker's married name of Emmons. Baker now uses her maiden name.

475 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:14:56pm

Fed to give AIG $85 billion loan and take 80% stake

In an extraordinary turn, the Federal Reserve agreed Tuesday night to take a nearly 80 percent stake in the troubled giant insurance company, the American International Group, in exchange for an $85 billion loan.

/hey, congratulations everyone, we're in the insurance business!

476 Alouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:15:00pm

re: #467 Racer X

As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he "left the room to cry." He said, "I realized...America was an evil... and that I was... living inside the belly of the beast..."

I can't tell you how moved I will be when Cindy McCain is presented with a pair of earrings made from Bill Ayers and Bernie Dohrn's knuckle bones. By Sarah Palin, of course (who shot, field-dressed, and Swarovski-crystaled the souvenirs).

477 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:15:03pm

Some hard working person (that lets me out) could put together a nice montage of Democrats forecasting gloom and doom and trying to convince Grandma that the return of the Great Depression is right around the corner for every election when they were out of power since 1956.

478 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:15:04pm

re: #453 Occasional Reader

Fox News headline:

Strange 'Ant From Mars' Discovered in Amazon Rainforest

I, for one, welcome... ahhh, you know the rest.

Marvinus Formicidae

479 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:15:25pm

re: #473 Nevergiveup

Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and New York Senator Hillary Clinton will be among the speakers at a massive New York rally to protest Iran's presence at the opening of the United Nations General Assembly next Monday, event organizers said Tuesday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Maybe I'll go if Sarah is gonna be there. Yes I will.

This isn't going to help Michelle's kids, I'm guessing.

480 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:15:25pm

re: #412 buzzsawmonkey

Size matters. AIG was the 18th largest company in the world before the meltdown... 116,000 employees worldwide, huge NYC area presence, and a trillion dollars in assets

482 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:16:37pm

Everybody just give me your money and I will take care of it as if it were my very own.

483 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:16:58pm

re: #472 Tigger2005

No, no ... these are ants from Mars.

Yes, yes, a great Outer Limits episode. Although these props look a bit new.

484 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:17:03pm

re: #460 neocon hippie

If Obummer is elected and tries to pull any of the stunts mentioned: "war crimes" trials of Bush administration officials, gun grabs, Fairness Doctrine, or otherwise starts messing with the Constitution, there's going to be some serious conflict and unrest.

Has it ever occured to anyone, that is what they may want?

What a better situation for the world lovers ("citizens of the world") to call in the blue hats of the U.seless N.uisance.

Oh it would be a huge mess, one that America might not survive.

485 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:18:07pm

re: #451 Alouette

Quick question for the Overloud:

Which books were removed from the Wasilla Library at Sarah Palin's request?

Well, it certainly was not "Building the Ark-Preparing Today to Live in the United Order" dedicated to the people of Wasilla's 2nd and 3rd wards and describing the literal Zion on Earth. Now there's a book that schmecks.

486 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:18:29pm

re: #451 Alouette

Quick question for the Overloud:

Which books were removed from the Wasilla Library at Sarah Palin's request?

Another quick question for the Overlord (interesting name):
Please pick out the books on this list of banned books at Wasilla Library that were actually removed?

487 mikalm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:18:29pm

re: #467 Racer X

Re the ring: I seem to recall a similar story about Jerry Rubin, one of the most loathsome creatures to ever permanently befoul the Bay Area's political culture. Apparently when he was organizing the 1965 "Vietnam Moratorium March" in Berkeley, he let it be known that he was wearing one of those rings in solidarity with the poor oppressed Vietnamese communist butchers revolutionaries. The Hells Angels heard about it, and invaded the rally, threatening to cut off Rubin's finger, ring and all, if they could catch him.

488 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:18:30pm

re: #475 Killian Bundy

Fed to give AIG $85 billion loan and take 80% stake


/hey, congratulations everyone, we're in the insurance business!

Does this mean I don't have to pay my car insurance, short term disability and renters' insurance anymore? if so, yay! i save over a hundred bucks a month... /sarcasm

489 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:18:54pm

re: #472 Tigger2005

No, no ... these are ants from Mars.

And FYI

"Michael Tolan, Bruce Dern, Robert F. Simon, Olive Deering, Claude Woolman. Alien criminals are sent to Earth, and promptly begin to do battle with humans."

[Link: www.homevideos.com...]

490 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:18:55pm

re: #484 republic

Has it ever occured to anyone, that is what they may want?

What a better situation for the world lovers ("citizens of the world") to call in the blue hats of the U.seless N.uisance.

Oh it would be a huge mess, one that America might not survive.


Oh fer pete's sake.

491 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:19:01pm

re: #467 Racer X

I am really starting to think all these petty investigations into Palin's background are detracting from the important investigations into Obama's background.

That have yet to begin.

I mean really. A librarian who was not fired. Books that were not banned. An ex brother-in-law who tazered his son.

How come no one wants to talk about this:

Ayers and Obama have been chummy since they first met.

It'll all work out in the end.

493 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:19:45pm

re: #471 JCM

The only thing murky is what's going on between your ears.

Granted.

494 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:19:55pm

re: #460 neocon hippie
Just remember the fly-overs control most if not all of the farm and cattle production along with a significant portion of the natural gas and oil production. Seccession from the Coasts...is always an option.

495 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:20:17pm

re: #482 MandyManners

Everybody just give me your money and I will take care of it as if it were my very own.

Ya gonna sew our money into your bloomers too, along with your jewels?

Not a big deal with my money - $1.58, in pennies. You'll jingle when you walk, just like Festus did with his spurs.

496 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:20:34pm

re: #472 Tigger2005

No, no ... these are ants from Mars.

Now these are my idea of Aunts from Mars.

497 Cartman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:20:59pm

re: #484 republic


Oh it would be a huge mess, one that America might not survive.

I already consider the U.N. an enemy combatant, so that simplifies the conflict, from my perspective. ;)

498 neocon hippie  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:21:05pm

re: #484 republic

If such a situation manifested, the US military would likely side with the constitutionalists against the socialists and the UN. And/or if BHO truly put our national security in danger, a military coup might be the only option.

499 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:21:06pm

WTF?
Breaking news: The Fed is taking over AIG.

500 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:21:33pm

re: #496 lifeofthemind

Now these are my idea of Aunts from Mars.

No, that's the Hudson River Burial Society!

501 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:21:36pm

re: #480 lawhawk

Size matters. AIG was the 18th largest company in the world before the meltdown... 116,000 employees worldwide, huge NYC area presence, and a trillion dollars in assets


Enron goes down, and there are investigations and allegations for years, even people going to prison, but when these Democrat tied "companies" go down, the Federal government bails them out, no questions asked.

Only in a world in the grip of deception.

502 mich-again  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:21:36pm

re: #475 Killian Bundy

Fed to give AIG $85 billion loan and take 80% stake

/hey, congratulations everyone, we're in the insurance business!

The Fed is a private bank. Its not Federal and there is no reserve.

503 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:21:49pm

re: #484 republic

Has it ever occured to anyone, that is what they may want?

What a better situation for the world lovers ("citizens of the world") to call in the blue hats of the U.seless N.uisance.

Oh it would be a huge mess, one that America might not survive.

LOL I'd like to see how the "blue hats" would fare anywhere outside LA, Berkeley, Seattle, and NYC. And maybe Chicago.

504 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:22:56pm

re: #491 republic

Ayers and Obama have been chummy since they first met.

It'll all work out in the end.

The end is near!

I hear crickets.

505 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:01pm

re: #503 Tigger2005

LOL I'd like to see how the "blue hats" would fare anywhere outside LA, Berkeley, Seattle, and NYC. And maybe Chicago.

I know lots of bitter clingers in Seattle that would make life for 'em interesting.

506 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:03pm

re: #490 Occasional Reader

Oh fer pete's sake.


I don't trust George Soros and his billions and his power in Washington, and the U.N., and the rest of the world.

507 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:06pm

re: #495 Intrepid

Ya gonna sew our money into your bloomers too, along with your jewels?

Not a big deal with my money - $1.58, in pennies. You'll jingle when you walk, just like Festus did with his spurs.

ROFLMAO!

No, darlin'. It's my corset.

508 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:08pm

re: #503 Tigger2005

They don't call it the "Heartland" for nothing.

509 jacksontn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:15pm

re: #462 jacksontn

Hannity just mentioned bill on his show. The bill was I guess stalled in committee.

Jul 28, 2005: Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably.
Introduced on Jan 26, 2005.
Jan 26, 2005: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.

[Link: banking.senate.gov...]

S. 190

510 loppyd  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:23pm

I hope the McCain camp is planning to make an ad out of the big Hollwood fund raiser for Barry tonight.

McCain said this earlier in Ohio today:

John McCain used an appearance before a blue-collar crowd near Youngstown, Ohio, to take a class-tinged shot at Barack Obama tonight.

"He talks about siding with the people just before he flew off for a fundraiser in Hollywood with Barbra Streisand and his celebrity friends" McCain said of his rival. "Let me tell you, my friends, there's no place I'd rather be than right here with the working men and women of Ohio."

McCain used the line as his close at an airport hangar rally, drawing loud applause.

511 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:39pm

OT

I missed realwest, I think, but I read his post, and if you see this real, a good luck from me to you on your results tomorrow. Let us know if you can/want.

512 neocon hippie  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:23:42pm

re: #494 Viking6

Absolutely. An overconfident, overreaching Obama administration cum Democrat-controlled congress could provoke a civil war should they try to pull any trans-constitutional stunts.

513 Alouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:24:06pm

re: #485 The_Moose_Overlord

Well, it certainly was not "Building the Ark-Preparing Today to Live in the United Order" dedicated to the people of Wasilla's 2nd and 3rd wards and describing the literal Zion on Earth. Now there's a book that schmecks.

Pimping ur blog, Overloud?

514 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:24:32pm

re: #503 Tigger2005

LOL I'd like to see how the "blue hats" would fare anywhere outside LA, Berkeley, Seattle, and NYC. And maybe Chicago.

Remember, Obama is going to create the 250,000 member, "Civilian Defense Team", or some creature like that.

What do people think they are going to be about?

515 PAgirlinNC  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:24:46pm

Nancy Pelosi's daughter is a person to interview on the talk shows now? Oi vay... It goes from bad to worse...

516 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:25:11pm

re: #499 Who Watches the Watchmen?

WTF?
Breaking news: The Fed is taking over AIG.

Nationalism.

Because it is working out so well For Venezuela.

517 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:25:19pm

re: #506 republic

I don't trust George Soros and his billions and his power in Washington, and the U.N., and the rest of the world.

Neither do I, but you're not going to see UN blue helmets trying to your guns away. Really.

Can we stay away from all the "black helicopter" bullshit, please?

518 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:25:24pm

FNC just showed Palin's campaign ad when she ran for mayor of Wasilla and is asking Nancy Pelosi's daughter what she thinks about it. Wasn't it just last week that 0bama was getting on McCain for focusing on menial issues like lipstick? I mean, Nancy Pelosi's daughter? Her mayoral campaign ad?

What about going to Iraq and negotiating deals which help you look better and keep our troops in danger longer? This should be covered the entire hour.

519 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:25:25pm

re: #491 republic

Ayers and Obama have been chummy since they first met.

It'll all work out in the end.

You think Obama kissed Ayers' ring?

As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he "left the room to cry." He said, "I realized...America was an evil... and that I was... living inside the belly of the beast..."
520 TalkinKamel  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:25:33pm

Yes, Real West, good luck if you are reading this.

521 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:25:43pm

re: #512 neocon hippie

I agree and the outcome would be pretty bad for the entire world not just here. I have a real problem even thinking something like that could happen but the tinder is dry and there's a lighting storm coming.

522 HDrepub  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:12pm

re: #512 neocon hippie

Absolutely. An overconfident, overreaching Obama administration cum Democrat-controlled congress could provoke a civil war should they try to pull any trans-constitutional stunts.

First thing they'll try to do is take away the assault weapons, and then we slide down the slippery slope to a "gun free" America in the manner of the UK and Australia where only the criminals have guns.

523 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:13pm

re: #496 lifeofthemind

Now these are my idea of Aunts from Mars.

That cat reminds me of the one I saw today coming back from dropping off The Kid. On a quiet, tree-lined street, he was lying in the middle of the street, with his head tucked on his two curled-up feet. I hate the bastard who killed him.

524 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:18pm

re: #514 republic

Remember, Obama is going to create the 250,000 member, "Civilian Defense Team", or some creature like that.

Oh, not this again.

Also, the US will be merged into Mexico, don't forget that one, too.

525 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:20pm

The troubling thing is I heard she had 80% approval, now it's down to 72%.

526 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:30pm

re: #514 republic

Remember, Obama is going to create the 250,000 member, "Civilian Defense Team", or some creature like that.

What do people think they are going to be about?

About being laughed at and having their asses kicked. Americans will not be as easily cowed as the Germans were by Hitler's strutting Brownshirts.

527 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:36pm

re: #474 loppyd

Actually before she was married it was Baker. She has gone back to using her maiden name.

Mary Ellen Baker, formerly Mary Ellen Emmons, formerly Mary Ellen Baker ... got it.

528 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:26:49pm

re: #504 Racer X

The end is near!

I hear crickets.

I don't have a clue if the end is near or not, I just don't want to have my kids and my grandkids living in something created by Obama, Soros and the rest of the world lovers, that is condemned to failure, even in its planning.

529 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:27:34pm

It seems that the overall race is tied, and neither can break it open. Palin was a game-changer in the sense of getting McCain even, not necessarily winning. He needs a strategy, he seems listless ATM IMHO AFKI.

530 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:27:53pm

re: #517 Occasional Reader

Neither do I, but you're not going to see UN blue helmets trying to your guns away. Really.

Can we stay away from all the "black helicopter" bullshit, please?

Adjust your colander, OR. Now.

531 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:28:02pm

Great so now when you want to escape being bored to death at a party by some moonbat insurance agent he can hold you incommunicado with the power of the Federal Gov't? Will FLETC be training thousands of armed Federal Adjustment Inspection Loss Agents?

532 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:28:13pm

re: #525 EIDE_Interface

The troubling thing is I heard she had 80% approval, now it's down to 72%.

Could be that some Alaskans feel she's moving on too soon.

I don't think the state's electoral votes are in any danger.

533 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:01pm

re: #515 PAgirlinNC

Nancy Pelosi's daughter is a person to interview on the talk shows now? Oi vay... It goes from bad to worse...

Heh - she was in the middle of a rant and they went to commercial just now.

Sean was merciless with her, too. Which he should, because all she was doing was spouting "Obama's going to win.." campaign crap.

He should have asked her, "So, do you believe your mom was a bad mother for running for congress when she had five kids?"

534 cincinnati_kid37  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:01pm

re: #499 Who Watches the Watchmen?

WTF?
Breaking news: The Fed is taking over AIG.

The slide to communism is accelerating. Isn't it wild that professionals ended up putting their entire organizations at risk just to jump on the housing bubble? Just like the Tulip bubble, the dotcom bubble, or any other bubble.

Firms that have been in business over 100 years like Lehman. Gone. 613 Billion of debt. Defaulted. Unreal. The only option the FED has is to socialize. And we haven't even started talking about GM, GE, Ford, Chrysler yet.

It's over. Capitalism is F...

535 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:10pm

re: #517 Occasional Reader

Neither do I, but you're not going to see UN blue helmets trying to your guns away. Really.

Can we stay away from all the "black helicopter" bullshit, please?

Famous last words.

536 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:14pm

re: #532 Tigger2005

Could be that some Alaskans feel she's moving on too soon.

I don't think the state's electoral votes are in any danger.

That's true, I'd think some Alaskans would be resentful that she's jumping ship on them so soon.

537 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:17pm

re: #529 EIDE_Interface

It seems that the overall race is tied, and neither can break it open. Palin was a game-changer in the sense of getting McCain even, not necessarily winning. He needs a strategy, he seems listless ATM IMHO AFKI.

I'm thinking McCain has one more missile on the wing, and he is saving it.

538 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:23pm

This is what I've been trying to say for most of the day; NY is not in play, and don't expect NJ to be in play either. Obama isn't pulling out of VA either. It's going to be a slugfest, but clinging to outliers on polling data isn't going to do anyone any good.

In fact, most of the polling is just noise. It makes for great (and not so great) punditry, and little else.

539 mich-again  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:29:43pm

re: #524 Occasional Reader

Oh, not this again.

Also, the US will be merged into Mexico, don't forget that one, too.

Vincente Fox was just here in town last week pushing the North American Union in a speech at Wayne State. Canada, USA and Mexico. No borders, one currency. Its the next big thing! /

540 The_Moose_Overlord  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:30:18pm

re: #513 Alouette

Pimping ur blog, Overloud?

Huh? Yes, Google Books is mine.

541 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:30:25pm

So the Feds are giving AIG $70 billion and 80% stake. Another bailout/takeover. America has given up on free market capitalism. The only place to find it is your corner store.

542 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:30:30pm

The Democrats raise more campaign money.
The Democrats spend more campaign money.
The Democrats are supported by the (ahem) cultural elite.

/How does the myth of Republican elitism remain?

543 jill e  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:31:14pm

Quite frankly, these accusations remind me of eighth grade, which appears to be where most of the liberal crazies are emotionally functioning. Eddie Haskells of the world. Stuffed one too many times in a locker...

544 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:31:31pm

re: #538 lawhawk

This is what I've been trying to say for most of the day; NY is not in play, and don't expect NJ to be in play either. Obama isn't pulling out of VA either. It's going to be a slugfest, but clinging to outliers on polling data isn't going to do anyone any good.

In fact, most of the polling is just noise. It makes for great (and not so great) punditry, and little else.

A voice of reason. Obama probably is feeling pretty good being even in so many 2004 red states and only even in PA among blue states.

545 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:31:44pm

re: #530 MandyManners

Adjust your colander, OR. Now.

Shiny side out, very important!

546 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:31:52pm

re: #517 Occasional Reader

Neither do I, but you're not going to see UN blue helmets trying to your guns away. Really.

Can we stay away from all the "black helicopter" bullshit, please?

Hey, the NRA has been following the U.N./Soros/World attempts to usurp our Constitution for years, and they are very, very heavily funded, and if the Congress stays controlled by the Dems, with say, Obama in the WH, Obama himself said, "Even if I wanted to take your guns, I wouldn't have the votes to do it."

Rebecca Peters, a Soros puppet, is exactly who is responsible for getting over 700,000 firearms taken away from, and melted down, in Australia.

They are working all over the orld, and right in the U.N. in NY and they are funded beyond belief.

What scares me, is that there are people who refuse to even investigate these facts, and act like it will never happen.

I'm just saying, I'm secure in myself, and prepared for whatever life may bring.

547 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:32:02pm

re: #542 experiencedtraveller

The Democrats raise more campaign money.
The Democrats spend more campaign money.
The Democrats are supported by the (ahem) cultural elite.

/How does the myth of Republican elitism remain?

The left keeps perpetuating this paranoia of Republican elitism/power to keep their base energized.

548 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:32:06pm

re: #525 EIDE_Interface

The troubling thing is I heard she had 80% approval, now it's down to 72%.

Nah, that's just a reflection of the dems who used to like her until she got picked for the rep VP spot. Now they're playing politics.

Her approval ratings as Gov are still 8 times higher than the US congress.

549 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:32:15pm

re: #523 MandyManners

That cat reminds me of the one I saw today coming back from dropping off The Kid. On a quiet, tree-lined street, he was lying in the middle of the street, with his head tucked on his two curled-up feet. I hate the bastard who killed him.

Don't tell my furry friend but I like cats also.

550 Syrah  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:32:35pm

Pressure on Obama in WA Polling numbers.


According to pollster Stuart Elway:

* McCain led Obama 34 percent to 32 percent among Independents when just the two of them were included in the questions. Throw in Palin and McCain leads by 10 points - 41 percent to 31 percent.
* McCain increased his support among Democrats by 10 percent when Palin was included. Elway says Obama's support was 87 percent among Dems when candidates were listed without vice presidential running mates. That number dropped to 77 percent when Palin and Democratic running mate Joe Biden were included.
* McCain alone led among men 44 percent to 42 percent.
* Obama alone led among women 47 percent to 34 percent.
* McCain-Palin led among men 42-40; Obama-Biden led among women 50-34.

551 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:32:43pm

For those who are interested, here are high-res pictures of Hurricane Ike destruction.

Hurricane Ike Base Map Index Page

552 wiffersnapper  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:32:43pm

liberal tolerance on parade

553 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:33:15pm

re: #529 EIDE_Interface

It seems that the overall race is tied, and neither can break it open. Palin was a game-changer in the sense of getting McCain even, not necessarily winning. He needs a strategy, he seems listless ATM IMHO AFKI.

I don't think he's "listless," but they do need to start coming out with more of those hard-hitting ads soon. I think they are fine-tuning their strategy right now. Personally I think they were a bit blindsided by the rank hostility of the Gibson interview and the McCain's appearance on The View, and by the sheer viciousness of the Left's assault on Palin. Yeah they should have expected it, but on the other hand, they aren't evil bastards themselves so maybe they just didn't imagine it would get so low. Now they need a new approach that gets around the openly hostile MSM.

554 jacksontn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:33:17pm

re: #530 MandyManners

Mandy, Hope all worked out with the dog return. I read thru the five articles you sent me on Obama and his early days and I came away with ZIP/NADA still as to any real insight to the man in his early days other than what could be prefabricated with a few spits of facts.

I am still wondering if a man does not get married until his 30s unless he was a virgin when he married Michelle where are any of the women from his past. I know there has to be just one woman out there that wants to talk some about her and Obama up in a club and all ... One thing I would like to know more about is the Pakistani guy who was his roommate in New York. I am thinking that guy is scared sh*tless for some reason cuz he ain't talking.

Thanks for the links last night.

Did you get another dog?

555 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:33:30pm

Lemmesee Now -

$456 for the Gays = Jesus Book. Bet a mint copy of Sen. Obama's real book,
THE PAUCITY of ACHIEVEMENT might be selling for over $1,000. That is all.

-S-

556 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:33:34pm

re: #550 Syrah

Pressure on Obama in WA Polling numbers.

As a WA resident I would love him to win, but realistically GOP hasn't won WA since 1984. It isn't likely to happen.

557 Cartman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:33:43pm

re: #537 Racer X

I'm thinking McCain has one more missile on the wing, and he is saving it.

I hope you're right.

558 willowone  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:34:49pm

re: #547 EIDE_Interface
I/m so confused how can we be so powerful and trailer trash simultaneously

559 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:35:05pm

Another factor - McCain is old and can't keep up high levels of energy for long. He needs to take days off here and there. Whereas, that young buck Obama can keep going.

560 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:35:28pm

re: #550 Syrah

Pressure on Obama in WA Polling numbers.

Can you imagine the whole thing coming down to WA? To a King Co. recount?

561 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:35:29pm

re: #558 willowone

I/m so confused how can we be so powerful and trailer trash simultaneously

It's like the Jews trying to understand why the Germans hated them so much. No use trying.

562 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:36:49pm

re: #559 EIDE_Interface

Another factor - McCain is old and can't keep up high levels of energy for long. He needs to take days off here and there. Whereas, that young buck Obama can keep going.

McCain's a fighter jock, he knows energy management.

563 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:37:14pm
564 republic  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:37:43pm

re: #559 EIDE_Interface

Another factor - McCain is old and can't keep up high levels of energy for long. He needs to take days off here and there. Whereas, that young buck Obama can keep going.


Oh yes, Obama can rely on his "Breathalyzer", or his "inhalator".

ROTFL!

Obama has to take a teleprompter everywhere with him, even to a rodeo.

ROTFL!

McCain really mops the floor with Obama.

565 willowone  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:39:01pm

i think i'm going misty now.

566 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:39:08pm

re: #559 EIDE_Interface

Another factor - McCain is old and can't keep up high levels of energy for long. He needs to take days off here and there. Whereas, that young buck Obama can keep going.

Uhm...McCain has been at it and very strongly for the last year and a half, just like Obama, and it wasn't McCain that took a week-long vacation to Hawaii so he could splash in the waves just a month or so ago.

567 Tigger2005  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:39:16pm

re: #565 willowone

i think i'm going misty now.

Play Misty for me.

568 Syrah  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:39:27pm

re: #556 EIDE_Interface

I agree, but them movement is in the right direction.

Besides, we have seen how the King County Machine can find votes when the Dems need them.

569 Syrah  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:40:11pm

re: #560 JCM

Can you imagine the whole thing coming down to WA? To a King Co. recount?

Such things are what nightmares are made of.

570 Alouette  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:42:32pm

re: #540 The_Moose_Overlord

Huh? Yes, Google Books is mine.

My bad, overloud. I thought "The book that shmecks" was yours. About your shmeckle.

571 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:43:51pm

re: #570 Alouette

My bad, overloud. I thought "The book that shmecks" was yours. About your shmeckle.

Don't talk about his shmeckle.

572 Talking Stick  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:43:57pm

Phil Munger...I remember the dik head when he lived in Seattle...what a flake! the enviro Renaissance man, a friend of my old school chum... Can't say he is missed..sorry, Alaska

573 JCM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:44:46pm

re: #569 Syrah

Such things are what nightmares are made of.

I'll see you at the Election Dept as an observer!

574 TMF  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:45:30pm

These guys have read their Stalin

And by "these guys" I mean the totally mainstream media that is heard in living rooms across america

Repeat a lie often enough, etc..

It works- even my mom and dad are saying to me "have you HEARD about this Palin woman- she wanted to BURN BOOKS and TEACH CREATIONISM"

Me- "where did you hear that? Could it be that its just a rumor or a smear?"

Mom and dad- "we heard it on Bill Maher"

575 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:46:47pm

re: #574 TMF

These guys have read their Stalin

And by "these guys" I mean the totally mainstream media that is heard in living rooms across america

Repeat a lie often enough, etc..

It works- even my mom and dad are saying to me "have you HEARD about this Palin woman- she wanted to BURN BOOKS and TEACH CREATIONISM"

Me- "where did you hear that? Could it be that its just a rumor or a smear?"

Mom and dad- "we heard it on Bill Maher"

OMFG> Might as well say you heard it on "Der Sturmer".

576 HDrepub  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:50:12pm

re: #554 jacksontn

I am still wondering if a man does not get married until his 30s unless he was a virgin when he married Michelle where are any of the women from his past.


Interesting observation. Pleased to see someone else has the same thoughts I have had. There could be another reason there is no "other" women in his life besides Michelle, but I won't go there.
Obama continues to hide a lot of his past, and perhaps the wily ol' fox McCain might have an October surprise of his own.

577 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:51:51pm

Oh boy. Suzanne Somers is appearing as a health expert on Hannity & Colmes.

578 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:53:21pm

re: #254 vagabond trader

imho, these issues are very low on the radar of our candidates, if they are there at all.

Yes, I agree -- I only meant to comment on that ex-pastor guy who wrote the book, and what his possible motivations are in making this charge against Palin.

Someone way upthread seemed to assume that he's an "unhappy gay," but I'm not sure if that's necessarily the case. There are plenty of heterosexual ex-Bible-thumpers on atheist Web forums, for instance, who would be happy to malign Palin as an intolerant Christian extremist, because that's the strain of Christianity that they grew up in and later chose to reject. So they project the distaste that they feel for their own former identities (and former associates!) onto Palin.

(Just to discourage any generalizations, there are also people on atheist forums who came from rabidly fundamentalist religious backgrounds but whose rejection of God-belief eventually mellowed into a moderate, faith-tolerant variety of atheism. And conversely, you can find snarling, intolerant atheists whose personal religious upbringing was in a moderate denomination.)

579 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:56:24pm

re: #576 HDrepub

Interesting observation. Pleased to see someone else has the same thoughts I have had. There could be another reason there is no "other" women in his life besides Michelle, but I won't go there.
Obama continues to hide a lot of his past, and perhaps the wily ol' fox McCain might have an October surprise of his own.

I don't think it's fair to pain all over-30 men who get married for the first time. What if they're building up a career + some net worth first? Nothing wrong with that.

580 HDrepub  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 6:58:54pm

re: #579 EIDE_Interface

I don't think it's fair to pain all over-30 men who get married for the first time. What if they're building up a career + some net worth first? Nothing wrong with that.

Didn't say that fellow. I certainly don't have a problem with a man or woman getting their life as they want it before matrimony, or someone who never marries. Just asking were there any women before Michelle.

581 HDrepub  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:01:47pm

re: #579 EIDE_Interface

I don't think it's fair to pain all over-30 men who get married for the first time.


I wasn't making generalizations so don't put words in my post like "pain(t) all".

582 JacksonTn  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:06:14pm

re: #579 EIDE_Interface

I don't think it's fair to pain all over-30 men who get married for the first time. What if they're building up a career + some net worth first? Nothing wrong with that.

Geez, he is asking to be elected CIC. I don't think it is wrong to wonder about a guy over 30 who was living in New York during his Columbia days and we know NOTHING about who he was associating. Come on, you must be naive to think he never got laid and you know some woman would come out just to get her 15 minutes of fame to say she slept with "The One". Nobody said anything was wrong with him not getting married before he was 30 just WTF was he doing during that time.

583 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:10:58pm

The human and dinosaur foot print thing...didn't that _just_ happen? How would Munger have seen a photo that was supposed to be "new evidence that man and dinos co-existed?" in 1992 when it was only seen this past summer?

584 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:29:59pm

re: #291 The_Moose_Overlord

from NYTimes:

But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive

I've read Daddy's Roommate (while browsing in a gay bookstore) and was offended by its snooze-inducing Mr. Rogers tone -- I mean, it was a book I would've thrown across the room as a kindergartener for being "too babyish." (I mostly despised the "soothing" Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood as a child because he was so incredibly fucking boring and the puppets were so hella-lame compared to the ones on Sesame Street. I coveted the trolley, though!)

I'm not 100% sure if I knew the word "homosexual" in kindergarten, but I am 100% sure that by the time I started kindergarten (in Gitmo, by the way!), I already knew how to navigate the gigantic unabridged Webster's dictionary at the base library, and would've had very little difficulty looking up the definition for myself if I'd heard the word "homosexual" and not understood it. But I was an atypical kid with the same IQ as Jayne Mansfield, although my parents didn't disclose that to me till I was past 30.

So my feeling is that if a kid is still reading at the Daddy's Roommate level, maybe he isn't ready to learn about the whole sexual orientation thing at all.

585 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:31:37pm

re: #579 EIDE_Interface

I don't think it's fair to pain all over-30 men who get married for the first time. What if they're building up a career + some net worth first? Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly. I got married at 32.
Needed a Masters, a substantial job, my own place, etc.

What is the use of being young, married, with children (and not having sowed your wild oats)?

586 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:33:19pm

re: #583 Quilly Mammoth

The human and dinosaur foot print thing...didn't that _just_ happen? How would Munger have seen a photo that was supposed to be "new evidence that man and dinos co-existed?" in 1992 when it was only seen this past summer?

It's been done before

587 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:37:22pm

re: #583 Quilly Mammoth

The human and dinosaur foot print thing...didn't that _just_ happen? How would Munger have seen a photo that was supposed to be "new evidence that man and dinos co-existed?" in 1992 when it was only seen this past summer?

Bible-believing scienticians have been digging up "fossilized PROOF that humans and dinosaurs co-existed" for decades, QM -- just as, for decades, the atheism-pushing sexular humanist Establishment has conspired to ignore and discredit these astonishing discoveries!

588 HDrepub  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:40:54pm

re: #585 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Exactly. I got married at 32.
Needed a Masters, a substantial job, my own place, etc.

What is the use of being young, married, with children (and not having sowed your wild oats)?

589 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:42:14pm

re: #583 Quilly Mammoth

The human and dinosaur foot print thing...didn't that _just_ happen? How would Munger have seen a photo that was supposed to be "new evidence that man and dinos co-existed?" in 1992 when it was only seen this past summer?

It has been done before, however, the recent "discovery" that was splashed across websites in recent months and this quote to me fail the sniff test. Too convenient.

590 HDrepub  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:42:43pm

re: #588 HDrepub

Didn't mean to post that. Sorry.
I never intended to impugn anyone's delaying marriage to any age. I think the question was were are Obama's wild oats?

591 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:43:51pm

re: #583 Quilly Mammoth

The human and dinosaur foot print thing...didn't that _just_ happen? How would Munger have seen a photo that was supposed to be "new evidence that man and dinos co-existed?" in 1992 when it was only seen this past summer?

Why it is too convenient of a story ...

592 lori lane  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:44:19pm

re: #537 Racer X

I'm thinking McCain has one more missile on the wing, and he is saving it.

I sure hope you are right.

593 Nancy  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 7:46:11pm

OT --House just passed the offshore drilling bill...

594 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 8:21:03pm

So, my workplace. Most people are very non-political. The few times these issues (candidates and current elections) are brought up, it is done very respectfully.

Two exceptoins. The ass who has anti-Bush and anti-McCain stuff in his cube, and this lady who goes off on these angry rants agaisn McCain and Palin. She also has a Al Frankin sign at her desk.

It seems normal though, that the two Democrats go off on political bashing at work. Republicans tend to be more respectful to their co-workers.

595 joekowalski247  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 8:22:10pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout
I heard see even banned books from her bookshelf at home..

she needed room for her ceramic clown collection.

call the New York Times

596 joekowalski247  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 8:28:15pm

re: #382 Nevergiveup

stop it your getting me exited

597 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 8:38:25pm

Bullwinkle Moose: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a Sarah Palin smear out of my hat."

Rocky the Flying Squirrel: "Again!?!?!"

598 Aylios  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:48:15am

This 'banning' thing seems to be a bit ambiguous. I mean at what point is a book 'banned' as opposed to being simply not worth the investment to buy. One could argue that every book that the Wasilla library didn't buy was 'banned'.

It gets kind of weird doesn't it?

I guess a book is 'banned' if the book is extreme left and a conservative town library doesn't buy it, regardless of it's price tag. So what's a book that's conservative and inexpensive, but isn't stocked by a liberal small-town library?

599 Colonel1961  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:20:05am

re: #27 gman

Let's imagine the reverse of this situation- Salon highlighting what some right wingers overheard Obama say when they bumped into him at the local grocery store.

On the arugula aisle?

600 Nancy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:59:47am

A little more background on the Salon article. The baby/teenage pregnancy backfired so they are reviving the "creatism-book banning" including now "anti-gay" theme because obviously they are aware that is the one most have reacted to.

What a surprise: -she is a Daily Kos reader: I have checked out several of the "anti-Palin" blogs from Alaska and so far I have not found one that doesn't connect to Daily Kos.

She describes and event that was attended by BOTH Rev. Howard Bess and Philip Munger and then mentions that David Talbot of Salon was SUPPOSED to have attended but was unable to make. She was THERE with Philip Munger but yet got her quotes from a Salon article written by a man who was NOT there!

From an anti-Palin blogger (40 something Alaskan business woman) who goes by the name AKMuckracker
Her website is Mudflats

Excerpt:

Also invited were a freelance writer who’s doing a piece for The Nation, and a film crew from the UK, working on the Sarah Palin story.

In addition to bloggers and media, were other dinner guests I didn’t expect, a local baptist minister, the Rev. Howard Bess, and his wife Darlene. Bess is responsible for writing one of the books that Sarah Palin wanted banned from the Wasilla Public Library while she was mayor. The title of the book? Pastor, I am Gay. The book is so bold as to suggest that gay people are not sinners, nor are they diseased. Well, they don’t like talk like that in the Valley. After the book was written, Rev. Bess was targeted by conservative churches, his book was rejected or pulled off the shelves by bookstores, his long-running column in the local newspaper was terminated, and mayor Palin tried to get the book yanked from the shelves of the public library.

Palin now denies that she wanted to censor library books, but Bess insists that his book was on a “hit list” targeted by Palin. “I’m as certain of that as I am that I’m sitting here. This is a small town, we all know each other. People in city government have confirmed to me what Sarah was trying to do.”

Bess was able to tell his compelling story to the film crew for use in their upcoming project. They also spoke with local bloggers including yours truly. They wouldn’t let me put a bag over my head, so after some desperate negotiating, we settled for a shot from behind, silhouetted by the backlighting of a window, and voice distortion. It made me laugh. Mudflats’ Deepthroat Moment!

Bess was not the only man in the room who has had firsthand knowledge of how Palin’s evangelical views color her world view and therefore, potentially, her policy-making decisions. Phil Munger, our host and author of the Progressive Alaska blog is also a noted local musician and has had many dealings with Sarah Palin in the past.

SHE GOES ON TO WRITE THE EXACT QUOTES MENTIONED ABOVE FROM THE SALON ARTICLE ATTRIBUTED TO PHILIP MUNGER.

David Talbot of Salon.com was supposed to have attended the dinner last night, but was unable to make it. His article that came out today is mandatory reading, and the source of the quotes.

601 Nancy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 8:11:10am

Here's an exercise.

Did any gay bookstores ever carry the book?

Did any library --anywhere --ever have it on their shelves?

Libraries routinely "withdraw" books --not because of censorship but if the are not checked out for a number of years, unless they are a classic, they will be withdrawn.

I think it is bogus

Again, my guess is--the book never sold.
By tying it to Governor Palin he gets publicity which he hopes will sell the book.

He wrote it in 1995 --how is it the Palin critics are only NOW learning of this.

602 Nancy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 8:14:50am

Clarification:

Most react to the "book banning -creationism theme

Did not mean to suggest the reaction was more to the anti-gay theme
Only that they have added that to the book-banning.

Initially the fake book list were classics until that was debunked.

603 joekowalski247  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 8:15:46am

wasnt it the leftys that wanted to ban the bible? thats a book right?

604 Nancy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 8:41:29am

The major mainstream Media have now picked up the Rev. Bess story. They are printing the Salon article as though it is fact. It is so utterly irresponsible that words cannot suffice. They seem to be working hand in hand with Daily Kos.

Everyone here recognizes these are trumped up charges but I am putting this stuff in for the record.

Howard Bess (a pastor with a regular column in the Frontiersman) claims his book Pastor I am Gay was involved in the discussion. But there's no record of his book ever being challenged (though there were contemporaneous stories of local bookstores declining to carry it after they'd received complaints from unnamed citizens), and no record of Palin ever mentioning it.

[Wasilla Librarian] Mary Ellen Emmons wrote a contemporaneous article in the AK Library Association newsletter (the Newspoke), which doesn't contain the words "censorship" or "book banning" or even anything very close. What it does contain is a discussion about politics:

EMMONS QUOTE: When Ms. Palin was elected, she met with all the department heads and expressed concern as to whether we would be able to support her administration, given our visible support of the previous mayor. I had occasion to meet Mayor Palin individually. We discussed library operations and my role in her administration. It was a candid and positive meeting, and we agreed to put the campaign behind us and get back to work.

The closest to the censorship discussion is this:

[. . .]I had a chance to field an assortment of questions from Mayor Palin and the Deputy Administrator concerning access to information, materials selection guidelines, and plans for the future.

Most importantly, I was reminded that the hat I wear as Library Director is different from the hat I wear as a citizen. While I may support particular candidates, the neutrality of the library program should never be compromised. The new Mayor and others in the community needed to be reassured that I could manage the library without a personal political agenda.

This is well research and much longer:
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

605 Nancy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:01:17am

THe controversy over his book had nothing to do with Sarah Palin.

Indeed Rev. Bess was "censored" but NOT by Sarah Palin --by his OWN Baptist Church boards. First in Anchorage and second in his last church which was disenfranchised.

Rev. Howard Bess --article on his retiring...he is 80 years old!
HOWARD BESS: Gospel motivates Baptist leader to push for social change.

Published: July 1st, 2008 10:42 PM

He spent the last 18 years as pastor of the Church of the Covenant. Belief in the church as an agent of social change is a concept Bess said he grasped early in his Fairbury, Ill., upbringing.

Moved from San Fransico to Anchorage to lead a church. His church board asked him to lower his profile. He resigned. A year later, he and wife, Darlene, moved to Palmer to lead Church of the Covenant.

There, the small church gained notoriety when Bess's book, "Pastor, I Am Gay" was published. The church was kicked out, or "disfellowshipped," of the American Baptist Churches of Alaska.
[Link: www.adn.com...]

606 Nancy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:47am

Well, since it appears that Librarians have access to library databases, Rev. Bess DONATED 2 copies to the library. And one was apparently purchased. He donated 2 more to replace the stolen books and as of today --ALL 3 copies exist in the library system!

Sort of renders the issue of the charge of his book being banned from the library as moot. 3 copies are still available!

Librarians for Palin...

Sure his books were stolen from the library as we noted in an earlier story, but there are still three copies circulating in that library system today. Sarah Palin didn’t steal them.
[Link: librariansforpalin.com...]

we must accept their assertion that the title was Pastor, I am Gay, a book by a local Pastor and author, Howard Bess. Pastor Bess was kind enough to donate two copies of his book to the library.

The two copies were stolen from the library so the author donated two more copies.
In reality it is another list of books that don’t really exist and one that might have been one of the books in question that was never really banned by Governor Palin, but library patrons stole them to read them or not. Something that happens in every library in the country.

Oh and three copies of Pastor I am Gay are available in the library system. I guess people stopped stealing it.
[Link: librariansforpalin.com...]


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