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Overnight Open Thread

Open | Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:07:55 pm PDT

How dreary — to be — Somebody!
How public — like a Frog —
To tell one’s name — the livelong June —
To an admiring Bog!

Emily Dickinson

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1 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:09:41pm

I would rather have a frog running my city than this moron.

2 lori lane  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:09:49pm

ribbit

3 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:10:23pm

THird!

4 Balian1193  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:10:45pm

New development in the Iraq Withdrawal-Gate. Apparently, there were several witnesses in the room who can confirm Obama urged the Iraqis not to set a withdrawal time line:

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

5 saltmarsh  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:11:43pm

Can't I just eat my tadpole...

I just want to eat my tadpole.

6 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:12:05pm

Breca coax coax coax

7 Balian1193  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:12:23pm

More details:

The three problems, according to campaign sources: The report was true, there were at least three other people in the room with Obama and Zebari to confirm the conversation, and there was concern that there were enough aggressive reporters based in Baghdad with the sources to confirm the conversation that to deny the comments would create a bigger problem.

8 laxmatt1984  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:12:51pm

Then she went insane.

9 BlueCanuck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:13:18pm

Ahhh, fond memories of chasing bullfrogs on the shores of ponds and lakes.

10 Racer X  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:14:02pm

re: #4 Balian1193

New development in the Iraq Withdrawal-Gate. Apparently, there were several witnesses in the room who can confirm Obama urged the Iraqis not to set a withdrawal time line:

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

A treasure trove in that link.

Thanks!

11 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:15:01pm

Good ol' Emily Dickinson. I think every girl goes through a Dickinson phase ... sometime after Alcott.

12 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:15:21pm

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

13 WF Bach  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:15:54pm

re: #11 hermeneutics

Good ol' Emily Dickinson. I think every girl goes through a Dickinson phase ... sometime after Alcott.

I'm not a girl but I like her.

14 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:16:28pm

re: #12 rawmuse

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

I give up. Who?

15 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:17:26pm

re: #9 BlueCanuck

Ahhh, fond memories of chasing bullfrogs on the shores of ponds and lakes.

LOL My dad and his buddy used to go out gigging. After one such trip they were about half way home and realized they had a live bullfrog sitting on the truck seat between the two of them. They thought it was so darn cool Dad's friend dug a pond for the frog in his back yard so he could have it as a pet.

16 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:17:36pm

re: #12 rawmuse

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

Okay, then, a hint? Which war?

17 jcm  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:16pm

re: #12 rawmuse

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

Civil War.
Can't remember the name.

18 saltmarsh  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:24pm

It's my understanding Obama is going to do his corrupt politician impersonation tomorrow.

/try to guess which is the real Obama

/hint: watch his ears

19 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:42pm

re: #16 hermeneutics

Okay, then, a hint? Which war?

Last night I gave too many hints. I promised tonight's would be harder. I don't want people to just Google it.

20 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:18:59pm

Gigging, not to be confused with jigging, is an American South and Midwest practice of hunting flounder or frogs with a gig, or three pronged spear. The gig is a long (typically 8 to 14 foot) pole which has been tipped with a spear, usually with three barbed tines like a trident. Four-tined spears are also used.

wiki

21 lifeofthemind  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:03pm

re: #12 rawmuse

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

Civil War gentleman lived by Bull Run outside DC and then moved to Appomatox. Grant and Lee met at his house. Forget his name and won't cheat to look up.

22 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:19:12pm

re: #4 Balian1193

Hmmmmmmmmm.........

23 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:21:06pm

Has this been posted yet? Alaska AG says NO to Subpoenas

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

24 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:21:43pm

ALmost read it as "admiring bLog" Perils of modern times.

Any other lizards planning to go to the rally at the UN on Monday. Palin will be speaking I hear and it's always fun to see the anti-Iran signs and the psychotic lib counter protests

25 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:15pm

Frog gigging is often done with a four-tined spear. Four-tined spears are quite good for frog gigging, as they are normally heavier and less likely to break, and also wider, giving the frog hunter more room for error when thrusting the spear-tipped gig through the frog.
Flashlights are usually used to locate the frogs by the reflection of light from their eyes. This technique seems to stun or daze the frogs, and it definitely makes it less likely for the frog to see an approaching hunter, or the incoming gig itself. A fishing license is required in some jurisdictions.[1] and frog gigging regulations are usually found in each state's hunting and fishing regulations.
Although capturing frogs with a net or clasp pole may be referred to as frog gigging by some, this is incorrect, as a gig is not being used. Handling frogs with the objective of releasing them may harm the creature because chemicals can easily be absorbed through their skin.
Frog legs are often cooked deep fried or sautéed.[2] The hind legs can contain as much meat as the legs of a medium-sized chicken. Traditionally they are breaded with a mixture of egg and bread or cracker crumbs. Frog legs, often imported from the Orient, are available at many restaurants or stores, particularly in the Southern United States.
The country music duo Big & Rich mentioned frog gigging in their song "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)". The band Alabama sang about it in Red River.
One of the most popular Texas A&M yells is "Gig 'em, Aggies!" and was created in preparation for a football game against the TCU Horned Frogs.


I learned something NEW tonight!

26 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:22:31pm

re: #20 hermeneutics

My Dad was into those frog legs. He kept trying to convince us kids they tasted just like chicken.

27 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:23:03pm

re: #4 Balian1193

New development in the Iraq Withdrawal-Gate. Apparently, there were several witnesses in the room who can confirm Obama urged the Iraqis not to set a withdrawal time line:

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

Investors Business Daily did an Op/Ed piece on it Tuesday

28 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:23:04pm

re: #24 SpartanWoman

ALmost read it as "admiring bLog" Perils of modern times.

That might very well be why Charles chose that quote for the overnight thread.

After all, there isn't much difference between them.

29 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:23:24pm

re: #21 lifeofthemind

I'll give the answer in a couple more minutes.

30 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:16pm

re: #26 Pvt Bin Jammin

My Dad was into those frog legs. He kept trying to convince us kids they tasted just like chicken.

Are/were you Southern?

31 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:42pm

Obama and the MSM caught lying again. What a surprise. Obama, the American Chavez.

32 saltmarsh  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:24:57pm

re: #25 hermeneutics

Ya'll ever run em with dogs?

33 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:25:09pm

re: #12 rawmuse

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

Appomattox
Wilmer McLean

34 pat  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:25:25pm

re: #26 Pvt Bin Jammin

My Dad was into those frog legs. He kept trying to convince us kids they tasted just like chicken.

They are the devil to cook. Sputter and pop.

35 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:25:33pm

re: #32 saltmarsh

Ya'll ever run em with dogs?

?

36 saltmarsh  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:03pm

re: #35 hermeneutics

frogs.

37 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:05pm

re: #30 hermeneutics

Mom's family was from the south. Dad was second generation from Slovenia and born and raised in Colorado. His hunting/fishing buddies probably got him into it. After he saw Bambi he stopped dear hunting, LOL, but he was really into duck hunting, fishing and gigging.

38 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:10pm

re: #31 pat

Obama and the MSM caught lying again. What a surprise. Obama, the American Chavez.

I saw Obama blaming the Bush Administration for the financial meltdown at a speech today and thats the LAST thing Americans want to hear right now.

39 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:13pm
40 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:27:38pm

re: #14 hermeneutics
McLean was the property owner

41 Balian1193  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:00pm

What McCain or Bush do to bring the Obama Iraqi withdrawal thing out in front? We know the media will not go willingly.

THIS IS MAJOR. I think McCain should do everything in his powers to expose Obama on this issue. Obama is a snake.

42 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:21pm

The TRIVIA answers are

The Civil War (or as my grandma called it "The Wah of Nawthen Agresshun")
and the property owner is

Wilmer McLean
who had the unfortunate circumstance to have been darn near ruined twice, once at the beginning, when his farm was a battleground, and at the conclusion, when everything that wasn't bolted down was stolen by Union Army souvenir theives. George Custer even took his parlor table where the documents were signed.

But, as I read upthread, no one got BOTH answers.

43 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:28:29pm

re: #34 pat

LOL I can still remember my mom screaming when one of them would practically jump out of the skillet.

44 rp1138  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:29:18pm

re: #12 rawmuse

TRIVIA FOR THE NIGHT
The USA was the site of a major military conflict whose opening battle and final surrender occurred on the property of the same person.

What was the conflict?
Who is the property owner?

Civil War
Wilbur McClain

Hope I spelled his name right.

45 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:29:34pm

re: #30 hermeneutics

I'm reading something on flounder "gigging" now. Sounds interesting. Here's his text ...

When I gig from a boat, I use lighting that may be foreign to many of you. I have modified a metal car top carrier bar and fitted it with four sealed beam headlamps, the same kind we use on an automobile. They are mounted so they point straight up if the bar were mounted across the roof of an auto. The connections have all been waterproofed, and the wiring to the lamps is of six gauge, insulated copper.

I take the headlamp arraignment and drop it over the bow with a line attached to each side. I then draw the bar so that it is about one quarter of the way back from the bow and strapped across the bottom of the boat. If you picture this properly, you know that the headlamps are now pointed at the sea bottom. Once securely strapped in place, I connect the wiring to one of the three auto batteries in the boat.

Bingo! The bottom directly under the boat is lit up like a ballpark. The angle of the light to the front of the boat allows any eyes that are protruding from the bottom to be seen as I stand on the bow of the boat.

Now, all it takes is someone helping you pole the boat, or run an electric trolling motor!

[Link: saltfishing.about.com...]

46 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:31:01pm

re: #42 rawmuse

I supposedly a historian. I just failed your quiz.

47 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:07pm

re: #41 Balian1193

What McCain or Bush do to bring the Obama Iraqi withdrawal thing out in front? We know the media will not go willingly.

THIS IS MAJOR. I think McCain should do everything in his powers to expose Obama on this issue. Obama is a snake.

Email this to Hannity, O'Reilly, ABCnews, Brit Hume etc.

48 MikeySDCA  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:42pm

Sorry to be OT but this might be useful.
I just finished installing Vista SP1. It took about an hour for the installation process, then one goes to a black screen with drifting icons. This I left going for 29 hours, waiting for something to happen. Nothing having happened, I thought of "press any key." I pressed the space key. It was done. When it might have been done earlier, I have no way of knowing.

49 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:44pm

I have a serious question: Who fact checks factcheck.org? I looked at the top 2 people who run the site. The top dog worked for the AP, and the 2nd in command worked for Time magazine. I smell a rat.

50 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:32:45pm

re: #38 Maximu§

I saw Obama blaming the Bush Administration for the financial meltdown at a speech today and thats the LAST thing Americans want to hear right now.

McCain was co-sponsor on a bill in 2005 that sought to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - the Dems pooh-poohed it.

He very prophetically said that if we don't deal with FM/FM, then we will have massive problems down the road.

Let Obama go there - he has touted as his own an economic stimulus bill that he had a minor role in back in January, but never showed up to vote for it! Hillary had more to do with the crafting of the bill than Obama did. If he keeps claiming Hillary's work as his own, then even more of her supporters will dessert him for McCain than already have.

And there are many of them who are all the way McCain/Palin voters now.

51 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:09pm

Haven't heard too much about Ayers lately...has he officially been sub-bussified?

52 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:10pm

re: #46 hermeneutics

I supposedly a historian. I just failed your quiz.

Tomorrow, the Battle of Agincourt! Time to cram.

53 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:33:43pm

Italy's right to curb Islam with mosque law

ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Northern League, allies of centre-right Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, want to limit the growth of Islam in the centre of world Catholicism by blocking the construction of mosques through strict new regulations

Right on Italy.

54 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:20pm

re: #12 rawmuse
It was the US Civil War - started on a Farmers field in Manassas (BullRun) Va and ended at the farm that same farmer moved to after Bull Run, in Appamatox Courthouse, Va (Appamatox Courthouse is the name of a town, not a building). And I think the Farmer's name was McCain!

55 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:40pm

re: #45 hermeneutics

Haven't looked it up yet, but I think it's illegal to go for catfish with the lights.

LOL I can't believe I brought this up. Maybe it's because my sister-in-law was here last night talking about the frog's legs she had on her recent cruise.

56 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:34:46pm

re: #42 rawmuse

The TRIVIA answers are

The Civil War (or as my grandma called it "The Wah of Nawthen Agresshun")
and the property owner is

Wilmer McLean
who had the unfortunate circumstance to have been darn near ruined twice, once at the beginning, when his farm was a battleground, and at the conclusion, when everything that wasn't bolted down was stolen by Union Army souvenir theives. George Custer even took his parlor table where the documents were signed.

But, as I read upthread, no one got BOTH answers.

Technicality. How could anyone not know it was the Civil War when the location was Appomattox?

57 BlueCanuck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:29pm

re: #52 rawmuse

Tomorrow, the Battle of Agincourt! Time to cram.

I don't believe you. :)

/studying anyway.

58 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:38pm

re: #51 Fenway_Nation

Haven't heard too much about Ayers lately...has he officially been sub-bussified?

Clinging bitterly to the axle right about now and not giving up his spot for anybody!

59 rp1138  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:40pm

That was a good trivia question. I can see how very few would get it right. The only reason I got it was because I must have seen Ken Burns The Civil War like a bajillion times. I can practically recite the Sullivan Ballou letter from memory.

60 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:35:46pm

re: #52 rawmuse

Tomorrow, the Battle of Agincourt! Time to cram.

And I thought you were a musician! I swear the people who run the local historical societies and read military history are far better trained than those of us who imbibed the factless critical studies. Sigh.

61 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:36:56pm

re: #42 rawmuse
Crap, I answered before I saw your post. Yeah, Mclean, not McCain - thought my memory on that was tainted by current political events!

62 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:36:57pm

re: #60 hermeneutics

I just do music to make money. First it was the chicks. Later, the money.

63 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:39:15pm

Ahhhhh...Emily! Very nice, Charles, thanks so much!

64 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:39:46pm

re: #52 rawmuse
WHOA. Hold on there - let's not finish off the Civil War Trivia just yet!
What is the name of the town and the state in the north which saw the Confederates farthest or most northernward attack?!

65 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:41:36pm

re: #64 realwest

I am really lame on this but was it in Pennsylvania?

66 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:41:41pm

re: #64 realwest

I think that would be Gettysburg, PA.

67 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:41:49pm

re: #6 lifeofthemind

Breca coax coax coax

Sooooo...

...you know the croaking chorus from The Frogs of Aristophanes...

...but can you name the femme-fatale assassin of Holofernes?

68 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:42:13pm

re: #56 really grumpy big dog Johnson LOL! Here in N.C. we still refer to the Civil War as the recent unpleasantness!

69 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:42:28pm

judith

70 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:42:35pm

Here is my favorite poem BY Emily Dickinson

Because I could not stop for Death,
He kindly stopped for me;
The carriage held but just ourselves
And Immortality.

We slowly drove, he knew no haste,
And I had put away
My labour, and my leisure too,
For his civility.

We passed the school where children played,
Their lessons scarcely done;
We passed the fields of gazing grain,
We passed the setting sun.

We paused before a house that seemed
A swelling of the ground;
The roof was scarcely visible,
The cornice but a mound.

Since then 'tis centuries; but each
Feels shorter than the day
I first surmised the horses' heads
Were toward eternity.

71 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:42:41pm

re: #50 Intrepid

McCain was co-sponsor on a bill in 2005 that sought to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - the Dems pooh-poohed it.

He very prophetically said that if we don't deal with FM/FM, then we will have massive problems down the road.

Let Obama go there - he has touted as his own an economic stimulus bill that he had a minor role in back in January, but never showed up to vote for it! Hillary had more to do with the crafting of the bill than Obama did. If he keeps claiming Hillary's work as his own, then even more of her supporters will dessert him for McCain than already have.

And there are many of them who are all the way McCain/Palin voters now.

Rich Democrats ate a $28,000 a plate meal in Beverly Hills today saying "we're for the little people"....what a joke.

72 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:11pm

re: #71 Maximu§

Rich Democrats ate a $28,000 a plate meal in Beverly Hills today saying "we're for the little people"....what a joke.

The little people got to clear the table.

73 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:13pm

re: #64 realwest
gettysburg pennsylvania

74 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:21pm

re: #65 Pvt Bin Jammin
Nopere: #66 rawmuseNope.
Do ya give up (and I hope so cause I gotta go to bed now!).

75 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:23pm

re: #58 Intrepid

I must've missed it. All I heard last month was a tepid denial accusing the GOP of 'sliming' Obama for his association with Ayers (which was never really refuted in the rebuttal) before the whole issue got overshadowed by the GOP convention, Hurricane Gustav and the selection of Sarah Palin.

This needs to be revisited.

76 rp1138  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:43:51pm

re: #64 realwest

WHOA. Hold on there - let's not finish off the Civil War Trivia just yet!
What is the name of the town and the state in the north which saw the Confederates farthest or most northernward attack?!

Wasn't it Carlisle, just north of Gettysburg?

77 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:24pm

re: #76 rp1138 Nope, it wasn't!

78 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:31pm

re: #70 rawmuse

OMG I just put that in my favorites even though it might already be there. That is VERY good.

79 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:40pm

Russia halts trading after 17% share price fall

By Catherine Belton and Charles Clover in Moscow and Rachel Morarjee in London

September 16 2008

Russian shares suffered their steepest one-day fall in more than a decade on Tuesday, losing up to 20 per cent, as a sharp slide in oil prices and difficult money market conditions triggered a rush to sell.

The heads of the Russian central bank, the finance ministry and the financial market regulator met on Tuesday night for an emergency discussion on ways to halt the crisis.

Capitalism, at its best........
.

80 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:45pm

re: #15 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL My dad and his buddy used to go out gigging. After one such trip they were about half way home and realized they had a live bullfrog sitting on the truck seat between the two of them. They thought it was so darn cool Dad's friend dug a pond for the frog in his back yard so he could have it as a pet.

Hubby and I moved into a new neighborhood almost 3 years ago. We have a lot of bullfrogs, big mothers! We used to think that they were lost when they showed up on our backyard and we captured them and took them down to our ponds for release. A neighbor (and very knowledgeable environmentalist) told us that they were grass frogs and needed to be in dry areas! Sorry, frogs! We know better now. (And you are really cool).

81 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:45pm

From the Spectator article...

Biden is notorious in the Senate for his long-winded questions and his inability to limit his comments to questions during interviews and floor debate, and Republicans and the McCain campaign have been banking that Biden's ego and frustration over the lack of attention focused on him will drive him to overcompensate during the debate.

"But we're not going to let that happen," says the Obama adviser. "When Joe wants to get in a zone, he can get in the zone and stay there. He really wants to be in the zone for this debate and he is working hard. I saw him work hard to prep on the Roberts and Alito confirmation hearings. He's working twice as hard on this, because the stakes and the rewards are so much higher."

The dems are gonna lose that debate. Know why?

Because they are prisoners of their own tunnel vision, and can't see the forest for the trees.

82 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:44:50pm

re: #64 realwest

St. Albins, VT.

83 hermeneutics  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:45:42pm

re: #70 rawmuse

You made me cry.

84 rp1138  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:45:47pm

re: #77 realwest

Nope, it wasn't!

I thought Lee took a couple of towns to the north of Gettysburg before the battle, and that was why the South came in from the north and the North from the south

85 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:46:52pm

re: #82 Fenway_Nation
BINGO! We have a WINNAH here folks!
The nortern most raid commited by Confederate Forces during the Civil War was in St. Albans, Vermont!
Congratulations, Fenway_Nation, here's you're gold star!

86 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:46:54pm

re: #72 SpartanWoman

The little people got to clear the table.

But none understood what the to-do was about, being recent "immigrants" and all...

87 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:47:07pm

re: #81 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Biden will try to intimidate Palin. He will succeed. He's good at that. I hope she's prepared. He'll pull a Bentson on her, mark my words.

88 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:47:22pm

re: #83 hermeneutics

You made me cry.

Yeah, I puddle up on that one too. Ain't it great?
That one and "Annabelle Lee" by Poe

89 rp1138  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:47:59pm

re: #85 realwest

BINGO! We have a WINNAH here folks!
The nortern most raid commited by Confederate Forces during the Civil War was in St. Albans, Vermont!
Congratulations, Fenway_Nation, here's you're gold star!

D'oh! Forgot about that one.

90 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:48:31pm

re: #87 merrytexas

Biden will try to intimidate Palin. He will succeed. He's good at that. I hope she's prepared. He'll pull a Bentson on her, mark my words.

I don't know.
She has been on fire lately at her stops.

Biden is a blowhard and I don't believe that type of guy can intimidate Palin.

91 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:48:31pm

re: #72 SpartanWoman

The little people got to clear the table.

If they were lucky they ate a lobster-stuffed-crab-cake tossed aside by one of the Elites.

92 davinvalkri  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:48:39pm

You're something of a "someone", yourself, Charles. Ever wish you could stop shouting your name at us the livelong June (and July...and August, and Fall, Winter, Spring...) to go on a bike trip or something?

Oh, and to those who were asking me for why I'm here two threads down...demographically I should be ranting on Digg or DailyKos or some other site about unfairness or college costs or something, but I can't shout much of anything with a cough. Those guys never did click with me anyway.

Karl Rove spoke at Claremont McKenna last night. I couldn't go due to a Computer Science class, but I understand quite the counter-protest showed up.

93 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:48:42pm

re: #80 Russkilitlover

You are very cool, too, and that is why you're going to do great on the interview. I meant to respond on the last thread and got a few e-mails.

"Break a leg" as they say in show business.

I never knew about the grass frogs either. Would have done the same thing you did.

94 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:48:49pm

re: #88 rawmuse
Uh, how's about my #85, eh?!

95 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:49:01pm

re: #87 merrytexas

She might get to him first, after all it's the Barack campaign that is linking itself to JFK and Jesus....Palin has to steer clear of comparing herself to TR and we should be OK

96 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:49:08pm

re: #72 SpartanWoman

The little people got to clear the table.


I thought that was a job most Americans wouldn't do....

97 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:49:24pm

re: #85 realwest

Dang, I gots to read up on that one. It was more like a raid, then?

98 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:50:02pm

re: #96 Fenway_Nation

I thought that was a job most Americans wouldn't do....

Go back and read post 86

99 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:50:21pm

re: #81 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Did you hear Biden during those confirmations? If that was him trying to be in a zone and not be a giant egomaniac, than him in real life must never, ever, ever shut up.

100 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:50:37pm

re: #79 Tamron

Russia halts trading after 17% share price fall


Capitalism, at its best........
.


Burn Russia Burn....dirty rotton MFer's. I hope their economy folds like a Chinese made lawnchair.

101 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:50:54pm

re: #97 rawmuse


Yea....my understanding is they swooped in from Canada, which is only about 10 miles north of St. Albins.

102 Macker  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:51:37pm

re: #100 Maximu§

One thing's for sure. Pooty's pissed oil's back down under $100.

103 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:51:45pm

re: #100 Maximu§

Burn Russia Burn....dirty rotton MFer's. I hope their economy folds like a Chinese made lawnchair.

Maybe they will do a govt bail out...no...wait...the banks ARE govt entities already!

104 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:52:30pm

re: #97 rawmuse
Yep,the St. Albans Raid was the northernmost land action of the American Civil War, taking place in St. Albans, Vermont on October 19, 1864."
Link is [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

105 realwest  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:07pm

Well all y'all it's really late here and I have to try to get some sleep now.
I do hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to speak to you all down the road!


Goodnight, all!

106 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:21pm

re: #102 Macker

I thought the point of that whole incursion into Georgia- besides the Russian bear demonstrating to the world that it can crush a mountainous nation 1/25th its size- was to drive the price of oil up with concerns about suppliers and pipelines.

107 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:24pm

re: #104 realwest

Those mad Canucks!

108 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:54:39pm

re: #95 SpartanWoman

She might get to him first, after all it's the Barack campaign that is linking itself to JFK and Jesus....Palin has to steer clear of comparing herself to TR and we should be OK

Do you think she's going to be "nice" or will she hit below the belt?

109 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:55:15pm

re: #87 merrytexas

Biden will try to intimidate Palin. He will succeed. He's good at that. I hope she's prepared. He'll pull a Bentson on her, mark my words.

Not a chance. He will attempt to bully Palin, and it will be a disaster.

110 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:55:20pm

re: #85 realwest

Dang! Vermont? I was going to say Boston a couple of minutes ago for a laugh. I am not googling anything, just trying to remember things I read 45 years ago.

111 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:55:32pm

re: #108 merrytexas

Do you think she's going to be "nice" or will she hit below the belt?

I hope she will nicely hit below the belt, say it with a smile, Sarah!

112 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:56:01pm

re: #92 davinvalkri

Karl Rove spoke at Claremont McKenna last night. I couldn't go due to a Computer Science class, but I understand quite the counter-protest showed up.

Who gives a Rats-Ass about your America-Hating College Newbie?

113 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:56:19pm

re: #109 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Hope you're right. I don't trust Biden (or Obama) one bit.

114 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:56:44pm

re: #96 Fenway_Nation

I thought that was a job most Americans wouldn't do....

After the meal, don'cha know the table scraps were raffled off for $500 a plate. No waste there!

115 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:56:53pm

I need to come up with some great (and rude is Ok, just not profane) anti-Iran posters for Monday's rally at Turtle Bay. I welcome suggestions

116 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:58:17pm

re: #115 SpartanWoman

I need to come up with some great (and rude is Ok, just not profane) anti-Iran posters for Monday's rally at Turtle Bay. I welcome suggestions

"I-RAN from an Islamic theocracy
and all I got was this rope around my neck"

117 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:58:19pm

re: #105 realwest

Well all y'all it's really late here and I have to try to get some sleep now.
I do hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to speak to you all down the road!


Goodnight, all!

night rw

118 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:58:28pm

re: #99 cliffster

Did you hear Biden during those confirmations? If that was him trying to be in a zone and not be a giant egomaniac, than him in real life must never, ever, ever shut up.

Biden's a legend in his own mind. Palin wil turn that back on him. Just wait and see.

119 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:58:44pm

re: #87 merrytexas

Biden will try to intimidate Palin. He will succeed. He's good at that. I hope she's prepared. He'll pull a Bentson on her, mark my words.

she will eat him alive....... n00b.

120 SpartanWoman  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:58:54pm

re: #116 victor_yugo

"I-RAN from an Islamic theocracy
and all I got was this rope around my neck"

good one.

121 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:59:07pm

re: #114 Tamron

That $500 could be used to help offset the carbon footprint of that dinner.

122 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:59:16pm

re: #103 SpartanWoman

Maybe they will do a govt bail out...no...wait...the banks ARE govt entities already!

Maybe Paulson will arrange for us to bail them out, too?
.

123 Maximu§  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 10:59:35pm

re: #119 redc1c4

she will eat him alive....... n00b.


Red, you old Warhorse!

124 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:00:03pm

re: #105 realwest

Good night, Realwest, take care.

125 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:00:16pm

kos diary sightings:

This is the story that brings Palin down...


sigh...again

The Shadow of Jim Crow Hovers Over Gallup Polls


Ummm...k...

Joe Biden Energizes Media Pa (Tuesday) with Pics


HAHAHA...oh that wasn't a joke?

Sean Penn RIPS McCain a new one (Updated with Poll)

126 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:00:48pm

re: #92 davinvalkri

another FNG...... 2nd poast and already looking for trouble.

127 Opilio  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:00:48pm

re: #27 Intrepid

Investors Business Daily did an Op/Ed piece on it Tuesday

Well, then the MSM will be all over it tomorrow.

/

128 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:01:03pm

Hey, so who is running for President on the GOP ticket, anyways? It's Sarah Palin, right? Could have sworn it was that war hero, McCain guy, but nobody's talking about that..

129 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:02:21pm

re: #128 cliffster

Hey, so who is running for President on the GOP ticket, anyways? It's Sarah Palin, right? Could have sworn it was that war hero, McCain guy, but nobody's talking about that..

I thought it was President Bush running for his third term the way liberals have been attacking him

130 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:02:46pm

re: #108 merrytexas

Do you think she's going to be "nice" or will she hit below the belt?

of course she'll be nice: it's the Donkeys that go below the belt.

131 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:04:26pm

re: #123 Maximu§

Red, you old Warhorse!

this college shit sucks..... stupid leftest profs, bullshit books. i wish i'd never promised HRH that i'd finish my degree

132 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:04:29pm

re: #129 Neo Con since 9-11

Ha! Hear the drumbeat. What's wrong with this country? Bush, therefore McCain. Actually, most people don't remember the climate back in 2004. But if Bush were running again this year, I woudln't bet against him.

133 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:05:06pm

re: #118 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Biden's a legend in his own mind. Palin wil turn that back on him. Just wait and see.

But didn't you know, BIDEN HAS A HIGHER IQ THAN EVERYONE.

It's gotta be true. He said so himself!

ROFL.
.

134 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:05:07pm

re: #128 cliffster

Hey, so who is running for President on the GOP ticket, anyways? It's Sarah Palin, right? Could have sworn it was that war hero, McCain guy, but nobody's talking about that..

I"ve talked about him plenty tonight. Who are you?

135 RTLM  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:05:16pm

In the upcoming debate with Governor Palin, Biden will demonstrate himself to be the gaff prone, arrogant asshole he's always been.

He's worth +3 McCain points all by himself as an Obama running mate.

(unless his aneurysm suddenly stars acting up again and he aborts himseld conveniently from the ticket)

136 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:06:27pm

re: #126 redc1c4

Hey there, Red. I missed that post somehow. LOL

137 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:06:57pm

re: #109 really grumpy big dog Johnson

She will do what all good moms do, give him the "look" and dare him to respond.

138 Opilio  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:07:51pm

re: #125 Typicalwhitey

kos diary sightings:

This is the story that brings Palin down...

That would be about the 14th story posted over there that finished her off. DKos is a pathetic echo chamber of intolerance, hatred, and vituperation.

Especially vituperation.

139 miguelj  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:08:06pm

admiring blog?

140 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:08:11pm

re: #136 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hey there, Red. I missed that post somehow. LOL

it's all that time spent on usenet..... spotting trolls is almost 2nd nature

141 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:08:37pm

"Being in politics is like being a football coach.
You have to be smart enough to understand the game,
and dumb enough to think it's important."
-- Eugene McCarthy
(1916- ) US Congressman (D-Minnesota) & US Senator (D-Minnesota)
[Link: quotes.liberty-tree.ca...]


"The difference between a politician and a pickpocket
is that the pickpocket doesn't get indignant
when you tell him to keep his hands to himself."
-- Joseph Sobran
(1946- ) Columnist
[Link: quotes.liberty-tree.ca...]


"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession.
I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Ronald Reagan
(1911-2004) 40th US President
[Link: quotes.liberty-tree.ca...]

142 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:08:54pm

I think that Biden is already intimidated, and he should be. After all, he's the one with a long and non-illustrious career in Washington, and NOBODY is talking about him.

143 StirUpTheBlog  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:09:48pm

=stirin it up=

WAKE UP AMERICA! WAKE UP AMERICA! (whilst jumping around with flailing arms)

Does anyone remember this? Pres Bush already proposed deeper regulations of Freddie and Fannie 5 years ago! (*tap tap* Is this thing on?)

"NY TIMES. Published: Sep 2003. The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

[reading on...]
"Freddie Mac, whose accounting is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and a United States attorney in Virginia, issued a statement calling the administration plan a ''responsible proposal.''

[and finally...]
"Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing."

=There you have it. The Dems in congress opposed more stringent regulation because it would prevent those who can't afford a house... FROM GETTING A HOUSE!

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

144 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:10:11pm

re: #138 Opilio

That would be about the 14th story posted over there that finished her off. DKos is a pathetic echo chamber of intolerance, hatred, and vituperation.

Especially vituperation.

echo chamber is right.

The "kos" poll is:

Obama 48%
McCain 44%

Which is the only national poll that has obambi leading by .....any

145 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:10:13pm

re: #137 Viking6

She will do what all good moms do, give him the "look" and dare him to respond.

One could only hope that she'd promise to KICK HIS ASS...
.

146 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:10:39pm

re: #134 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I"ve talked about him plenty tonight. Who are you?

Who am I? Who are you?

147 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:11:11pm

re: #145 Tamron

Last time I got the "look" I couldn't sit down for a week.

148 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:11:25pm

re: #140 redc1c4

I can see it, just scrolling too fast, LOL. I'm learning.

149 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:11:36pm
re: #134 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I"ve talked about him plenty tonight. Who are you?

Apparently he is a big red dog.

150 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:11:40pm

re: #144 Typicalwhitey

Aren't you being a wee bit generous in referring to them as 'national'?

Also, do you have to have an account in Kozistan to vote in that poll?

151 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:11:57pm

Unless you are in the mood.....Don't even look at W.H Auden's "Funeral Blues."
...."The stars are now wanted now, put out every one. Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun. Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood. For nothing now can come to any good."

*SIGH* I LOVE good poetry! I love the rhythm and cadence. Can't beat Anna Akhmatova or Boris Pasternak.

"G'night all!

152 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:12:11pm

re: #143 StirUpTheBlog

=stirin it up=

WAKE UP AMERICA! WAKE UP AMERICA! (whilst jumping around with flailing arms)

Does anyone remember this? Pres Bush already proposed deeper regulations of Freddie and Fannie 5 years ago! (*tap tap* Is this thing on?)

"NY TIMES. Published: Sep 2003. The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

[reading on...]
"Freddie Mac, whose accounting is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and a United States attorney in Virginia, issued a statement calling the administration plan a ''responsible proposal.''

[and finally...]
"Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing."

=There you have it. The Dems in congress opposed more stringent regulation because it would prevent those who can't afford a house... FROM GETTING A HOUSE!

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

The dems have always taken the position of being the party of the poor, but instead they are the party of the barefoot and pregnant, meaning they want them to stay that way.

153 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:12:26pm

re: #143 StirUpTheBlog

n00b alert

154 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:12:32pm

re: #146 cliffster

Who am I? Who are you?

I would say he's someone with about 4500 posts more LGF street cred than you.

155 Syrah  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:12:38pm

re: #131 redc1c4

this college shit sucks..... stupid leftest profs, bullshit books. i wish i'd never promised HRH that i'd finish my degree

You could approach it as an opportunity to cause some trouble.

I have done that. It knocked a few points off my GPA but it kept me awake too.

Ask the leftist prof questions.

Be sincere and innocent.

Don't let them spout bull with out being able to support it. Be polite, civil and sincere. Ask questions.

Don't give them enough to guess your ideology.

Just ask questions.

It can be fun.

156 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:12:53pm

re: #149 Typicalwhitey

Apparently he is a big red dog.

Clifford?

157 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:13:27pm

re: #137 Viking6

She will do what all good moms do, give him the "look" and dare him to respond.

..make sure her glasses are down on her nose when she looks at him, like Gibson did to her. I'd love to see Biden condescended to, but I think it'd be over his head

158 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:13:56pm

re: #146 cliffster

Who am I? Who are you?

See what happens when posts aren't taken as sarcastic or cynical or whatever?

Everything gets lost in the translation.

159 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:14:30pm

re: #146 cliffster

Who am I? Who are you?

Oh-oh!

(Duck and run! Quick!)

Too late.

Sic 'em, Grumpy.
.

160 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:14:55pm

re: #157 merrytexas
That was the exact picture I had in mind when I posted. It would be over his ability to grasp the gesture. After all he has the highest IQ in the room.

161 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:14:55pm

re: #155 Syrah

You could approach it as an opportunity to cause some trouble.

I have done that. It knocked a few points off my GPA but it kept me awake too.

Ask the leftist prof questions.

Be sincere and innocent.

Don't let them spout bull with out being able to support it. Be polite, civil and sincere. Ask questions.

Don't give them enough to guess your ideology.

Just ask questions.

It can be fun.

i'm doing it online, so i just sit here and grumble in my beer. need to get cracking on my assignments though

162 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:15:38pm

re: #160 Viking6

That was the exact picture I had in mind when I posted. It would be over his ability to grasp the gesture. After all he has the highest IQ in the room.

my dog is smarter than Biden.....

(and he's dead. %-)

163 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:15:59pm

re: #151 Russkilitlover

'nite. Best of luck. I LOVE good poetry.

164 BlueCanuck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:16:03pm

re: #159 Tamron

heh heh, been busy with the charcol and BBQ. Looks like we get fresh meat tonight lizards.

/Wow two of them even.

165 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:16:14pm

re: #154 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I would say he's someone with about 4500 posts more LGF street cred than you.

And you've got nothing. I was making the point that nobody is talking about the guy that's actually running for president.

166 Opilio  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:16:37pm

re: #131 redc1c4

this college shit sucks..... stupid leftest profs, bullshit books. i wish i'd never promised HRH that i'd finish my degree

I got me an Engineering Degree back in the day. Funny, not a lot of political theory found its way into Diff Eq. or Statics lectures.

167 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:16:37pm
168 BlueCanuck  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:17:40pm

re: #165 cliffster

And that's a bad thing? The leftocraps are too busy focusing on the diversion and are going to totally miss the main attack. Of course come November 5th they are going to say that the election was stolen from them once again.

169 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:17:44pm

re: #131 redc1c4

this college shit sucks..... stupid leftest profs, bullshit books. i wish i'd never promised HRH that i'd finish my degree

Bite your lip, study hard, get the damn sheepskin. Eye on the prize and all that.
Plenty of time to throw rocks at them later.

170 Syrah  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:17:59pm

re: #161 redc1c4

i'm doing it online, so i just sit here and grumble in my beer. need to get cracking on my assignments though

Online!

I feel for you then.

It does not sound like much fun at all.

171 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:18:27pm

Remember this SNL skit with John McCain singing Streisand? He skewers her.

[Link: vids.myspace.com...]

172 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:18:31pm

re: #5 saltmarsh

Can't I just eat my tadpole...

I just want to eat my tadpole.

Tying the tadpole reference in with the earlier evolution thread, here's Julie Andrews singing ''When You Were a Tadpole and I Was a Fish'' to Kermit the Frog.

The song is loosely based on this long poem called "Evolution," originally written in 1895 by one Langdon Smith (1858-1908) and polished/lengthened over subsequent years. The first stanza is:

When you were a tadpole and I was a fish
In the Paleozoic time,
And side by side on the ebbing tide
We sprawled through the ooze and slime,
Or skittered with many a caudal flip
Through the depths of the Cambrian fen,
My heart was rife with the joy of life,
For I loved you even then.

(If you wanna get picky, neither amphibians nor true bony fish came along until a few hundred million years after the "Cambrian" period! But both groups were certainly around by the mid-Paleozoic.)

And after subsequent stanzas covering millions of years of evolution, it ends with the four lines:

Then as we linger at luncheon here
O’er many a dainty dish,
Let us drink anew to the time when you
Were a tadpole and I was a fish.

173 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:18:32pm

re: #158 really grumpy big dog Johnson

See what happens when posts aren't taken as sarcastic or cynical or whatever?

Everything gets lost in the translation.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic and cynical and also whatever as well. Your fans definitely had your back though, nice work.

174 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:18:35pm

re: #161 redc1c4

i'm doing it online, so i just sit here and grumble in my beer. need to get cracking on my assignments though

In one underclass meat market class I took, the prof gave the entire polysci semester over to the radical commie grad assistants.

The students would sit around in class with big newspapers in front of their faces, take their shoes off and put their feet on the chairs in front of them, and laugh and giggle all class long...

175 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:18:37pm

re: #165 cliffster

And you've got nothing. I was making the point that nobody is talking about the guy that's actually running for president.

I admit freely to being a noob. Your point is?

There's no need to speak of the war hero, the POW, the bipartisan, and true American John McCain. He's the one, you see, with an actual resume of Senatorial achievement.

176 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:19:31pm

re: #166 Opilio

I got me an Engineering Degree back in the day. Funny, not a lot of political theory found its way into Diff Eq. or Statics lectures.

Diff EQ. I'm having flashbacks. Convinced me to be a Govt Major.

177 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:19:41pm

re: #165 cliffster

And you've got nothing. I was making the point that nobody is talking about the guy that's actually running for president.

What more can we say about him? He's vastly more qualified than anyone else in this election.

178 rawmuse  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:20:12pm

Later Lizards! Tomorrow's trivia subject will be
the Battle of Agincourt

179 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:21:01pm

re: #165 cliffster

And you've got nothing. I was making the point that nobody is talking about the guy that's actually running for president.

Oh, you mean here, where BIDEN THROWS OBAMA UNDER THE BUS?
.

180 Syrah  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:21:20pm

re: #178 rawmuse

Later Lizards! Tomorrow's trivia subject will be
the Battle of Agincourt

Something about archers and artillery right?

181 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:21:21pm

re: #161 redc1c4

You know what I am thinking about that? You'll be okay, Red, because you have life experience but when I was a young kid in college challenging professors it was not the same way.
LOL I was a journalism major with ideals, conservative ideals. If I would have had my own paper, then fine.

182 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:21:45pm

re: #168 BlueCanuck

And that's a bad thing? The leftocraps are too busy focusing on the diversion and are going to totally miss the main attack. Of course come November 5th they are going to say that the election was stolen from them once again.

Maybe, but maybe not. I can't imagine them trying to make a case for a stolen election if they lose by the kind of electoral gap we're trending towards.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

183 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:21:57pm

re: #173 cliffster

Sorry, I was being sarcastic and cynical and also whatever as well. Your fans definitely had your back though, nice work.

I jumped on you, it's true. It reflects my nickname. It could happen again, but I'll try to be nicer next time. No guarantees though. When I'm really in a bad mood, I scare myself sometimes.

I'm sorry.

184 Temujin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:22:26pm

re: #159 Tamron

Oh-oh!

(Duck and run! Quick!)

Too late.

Sic 'em, Grumpy.
.

“Who are those guys?” — from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, 1969

185 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:22:47pm

re: #162 redc1c4

re: #180 Syrah


And Fwrench spurs...

186 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:24:33pm

re: #150 Fenway_Nation

Aren't you being a wee bit generous in referring to them as 'national'?

Also, do you have to have an account in Kozistan to vote in that poll?


Actually I have no idea who he is polling.
But you cannot vote in this poll, apparently he is calling people.
Here are his "demographics":

Men............ 516 (47%)
Women........ 584 (53%)
Democrats ....387 (35%)
Republicans... 284 (26%)
Independents .329 (30%)
Other/Refused .100 (9%)
White ............802 (73%)
Black .............145 (13%)
Latino ............140 (13%)
Other/Ref........ 13 (1%)
18-29 .............199 (18%)
30-44 .............360 (33%)
45-59 ..............302 (27%)
60+ .................239 (22%)
Northeast .........244 (22%)
South ...............316 (29%)
Midwest ............303 (28%)
West ...............237 (21%)

He also shows that women prefer Obama 53 to 41
That is simply not true.

187 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:26:24pm

re: #186 Typicalwhitey
Maybe he is getting them from the Dim's internal polling

188 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:26:41pm

re: #165 cliffster

And you've got nothing. I was making the point that nobody is talking about the guy that's actually running for president.

check out this video:

[Link: hotair.com...]

189 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:27:06pm

re: #183 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I jumped on you, it's true. It reflects my nickname. It could happen again, but I'll try to be nicer next time. No guarantees though. When I'm really in a bad mood, I scare myself sometimes.

I'm sorry.

No problema, who are you anyways?

What on earth has you in a bad mood tonight though? Real estate market's in the tank, financial markets are in the tank and the dollar is getting its ass kicked by the euro. Times couldn't be better!

190 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:28:24pm

re: #188 Typicalwhitey

That video is great! McCain lays Obama out!

191 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:28:59pm

re: #187 Viking6

Maybe he is getting them from the Dim's internal polling

Are you kidding?

192 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:29:24pm

re: #189 cliffster

uh oh

193 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:29:37pm

re: #190 merrytexas
Expect to see that in the debates.

194 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:29:40pm

re: #189 cliffster

No problema, who are you anyways?

What on earth has you in a bad mood tonight though? Real estate market's in the tank, financial markets are in the tank and the dollar is getting its ass kicked by the euro. Times couldn't be better!

Well, he's invested heavily in those shady international bankster deals, you see....

(? Time for me to gracefully fade out, Grumpy ?)
.

195 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:29:54pm

re: #188 Typicalwhitey

check out this video:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Hahahaha, didn't even show up to vote. Vote? What?

196 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:31:08pm

re: #189 cliffster

No problema, who are you anyways?

What on earth has you in a bad mood tonight though? Real estate market's in the tank, financial markets are in the tank and the dollar is getting its ass kicked by the euro. Times couldn't be better!

And yet, horrible as it is...sigh....we can still afford the luxury of internet connections.
WOW it is BAD!

197 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:31:11pm

re: #189 cliffster

No problema, who are you anyways?

What on earth has you in a bad mood tonight though? Real estate market's in the tank, financial markets are in the tank and the dollar is getting its ass kicked by the euro. Times couldn't be better!

I'm in a good mood tonight. I was here long before Charles even required registration. Old-timers know my original nickname. Ironically, FNDT is in the LGF dictionary with my name on it. Had no idea.

Paying short term attention to the markets is exactly what the smart investors want EVERYONE do do.

198 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:32:36pm

re: #186 Typicalwhitey

Wonder what the polls about Al Franken would say. Much like Obama, I can only look at that campaign and ask "You're joking, right?"

re: #189 cliffster

Real estate market's in the tank, financial markets are in the tank and the dollar is getting its ass kicked by the euro. Times couldn't be better!

Think of it as good a time as any to invest in some bargain stocks. Also, The Euro's been kicking our ass all summer long. Even with this week's clusterf*ck, it's still along the lines of $1 = .71 Euros, which is better than it was a month ago.

199 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:32:43pm

re: #191 Typicalwhitey
yes. But given the land that they live in it wouldn't suprise me.

200 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:34:04pm

re: #196 Typicalwhitey

And yet, horrible as it is...sigh....we can still afford the luxury of internet connections.
WOW it is BAD!

Roof over the head, food on the table, and high speed internet access. I think we as Americans deserve more!

201 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:34:37pm

re: #199 Viking6

yes. But given the land that they live in it wouldn't surprise me.

Personally I believe it is kos just propping up his minions on his website.
kos becomes irrelevant if McCain wins.

202 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:34:47pm

re: #196 Typicalwhitey

And yet, horrible as it is...sigh....we can still afford the luxury of internet connections.
WOW it is BAD!

Must not be too bad if Obama is raking in the dough at $28,500 a plate plus $2500 just for entertainment. Where is all that dough coming from? Don't those people have bank accounts or stocks they're worried about?

203 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:35:16pm

re: #197 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'm in a good mood tonight. I was here long before Charles even required registration. Old-timers know my original nickname. Ironically, FNDT is in the LGF dictionary with my name on it. Had no idea.

Paying short term attention to the markets is exactly what the smart investors want EVERYONE do do.

i was thinking buying AIG right now might be a good short term play

204 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:35:42pm

re: #200 cliffster

Are you just being snarky cliffster?

205 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:36:01pm

re: #202 merrytexas

Must not be too bad if Obama is raking in the dough at $28,500 a plate plus $2500 just for entertainment. Where is all that dough coming from? Don't those people have bank accounts or stocks they're worried about?

hollywierd....

206 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:36:05pm

re: #201 Typicalwhitey

Personally I believe it is kos just propping up his minions on his website.
kos becomes remains irrelevant if McCain wins.

Fixed that for you.

207 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:36:59pm

re: #202 merrytexas

Must not be too bad if Obama is raking in the dough at $28,500 a plate plus $2500 just for entertainment. Where is all that dough coming from? Don't those people have bank accounts or stocks they're worried about?

I was thinking the same thing.

One thing about Obama not taking the public financing is he has to attend things like this which just play into his "elitist" perception.

Dumb move on his part.

208 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:37:59pm

re: #197 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Paying short term attention to the markets is exactly what the smart investors want EVERYONE do do.

Why'd you switch nics?

Funny, my dad is 75. He has no computer, no 401K, no nothing. But he texted me today. He texts all the time, because he can't hear worth a shit, so he's a 75 year old texter. His text: Have you lost a lot of money? Am I going to lose a lot?

I told him, never a better time to buy.

209 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:38:48pm

re: #197 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I was here long before Charles even required registration.

He was even here before Rachel Corrie married that Israeli D9 bulldozer...
.

210 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:38:53pm

Good night, Lizards, would love to hang around but this has been a busy week.
ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz. Have a wonderful day tomorrow.

I feel weird, all worried about AIG because we are almost to that retirement age and that is our IRA but I don't really believe in the bailouts. Bitter/Sweet.

211 Price_of_Peace  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:39:25pm

re: #130 redc1c4

of course she'll be nice: it's the Donkeys that go below the belt.

Remember, she used to work on her husband's fishing boat. Must be very good at "gutting" cold fish.

212 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:40:04pm

re: #210 Pvt Bin Jammin

Gov't gave em the funds tonight. You should be okay. g'nite

213 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:40:21pm

re: #201 Typicalwhitey

I believe that you are probably correct in your assumption. It will be very interesting to see what will continue to have relevance in the US after Nov 4th. I think that the MSM and in general the upper echelon of the Dim's will probably become politically and socially irrelevant when McCain wins. Not that they won't be there for some time but the impact of statements and what-not will fall on many, many deaf ears.

214 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:42:23pm

AIG bailout US reversal of position

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

215 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:42:43pm

WOW:


WASHINGTON (CNN) — Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a prominent Hillary Clinton supporter and member of the Democratic National Committee’s Platform Committee, will endorse John McCain for president on Wednesday, her spokesman tells CNN.
The announcement will take place at a news conference on Capitol Hill, just blocks away from the DNC headquarters. Forester will “campaign and help him through the election,” the spokesman said of her plans to help the Republican presidential nominee.

Forester was a major donor for Clinton earning her the title as a Hillraiser for helping to raise at least $100,000 for the New York Democratic senator’s failed presidential bid.

In an interview with CNN this summer, Forester did not hide her distaste for eventual Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

“This is a hard decision for me personally because frankly I don't like him,” she said of Obama in an interview with CNN’s Joe Johns. “I feel like he is an elitist. I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him.”

216 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:43:45pm

re: #204 Typicalwhitey

Are you just being snarky cliffster?

Well, I have bills and I get stressed about how I'm going to pay them. But, I was sitting here watching Obama on my 52" HD TV talking about how the middle class is getting screwed, and for some reason I'm not feeling the pain that Barack wants me to feel.

217 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:43:49pm

re: #212 merrytexas

'nite. Have a good one tomorrow. I know we got the bailout but it is sort of weird.

218 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:44:02pm

re: #215 Typicalwhitey

WOW:

This. Is. Perfect!

219 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:44:24pm

re: #215 Typicalwhitey

Dude, No Way... Unfricking believable. This could move NY to the Red side

220 Opilio  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:45:25pm

re: #201 Typicalwhitey

Personally I believe it is kos just propping up his minions on his website.
kos becomes irrelevant if McCain wins.

I am SOOOOOOOOOO looking forward to watching that place meltdown after The One loses.

221 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:45:46pm

re: #219 Viking6

I heard today NY was already headed that way.

222 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:46:46pm

re: #214 merrytexas

AIG bailout US reversal of position

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Yesterday AIG was really begging for a bridge-loan, just to tide them over until they could sell some assets. Looks like maybe they'll limp up out of this one.

Hope that's not a Bridge Loan to Nowhere!
.

223 merrytexas  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:46:54pm

re: #220 Opilio

When The One loses, they will have a laundry list of why, none of it being factual lack of qualifications or his socialist/Marxist leanings.

224 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:47:10pm

re: #215 Typicalwhitey

Get Hillary in a dark bar somewhere, get her to take a shot like she did in that much-played shot in New Hampshire or wherever, earlier this year. Ask her, who do you want to win, really? Who makes Chelsea better off?

225 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:47:12pm

For what it's worth, the Asian markets are starting to bounce back as well.

226 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:47:37pm

re: #221 merrytexas

Me too, but this would really help seal the deal. I have an image of BHO holding his hands to his face when he hears this and effectively becomes the subject of a well known painting, "The Scream".

227 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:48:37pm

re: #216 cliffster

Well, I have bills and I get stressed about how I'm going to pay them. But, I was sitting here watching Obama on my 52" HD TV talking about how the middle class is getting screwed, and for some reason I'm not feeling the pain that Barack wants me to feel.

We haven't had a negative GDP quarter since 2001.
Although some areas are being hit, overall things are going ok.
I own an concrete flatwork company.

228 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:48:50pm

re: #221 merrytexas

I heard today NY was already headed that way.

If that's the case, it's over and the landslide has started.

229 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:50:04pm

re: #219 Viking6

Dude, No Way... Unfricking believable. This could move NY to the Red side

Yes way :)

230 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:51:03pm

re: #227 Typicalwhitey

We haven't had a negative GDP quarter since 2001.

2nd quarter 2001, right? I thought Q4 2007 was negative. I know they adjusted Q1 2008 up, but I thought we did have a streak of 1 quarter of negative growth in Q4 2007

231 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:51:07pm

re: #215 Typicalwhitey

WOW:

Lynn Forester de Rothschild? For McCain? WOW is right! This is a really good move! That lady has some STROKE, and I'm really glad she did this. She can see right through the Obamba.

Google her name, and see what you find.
.

232 Viking6  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:51:45pm

re: #229 Typicalwhitey
too cool for school. Thanks for the link and the prior McCain vid it was great too. Time for bed have a great night and good day.

233 cliffster  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:53:13pm

re: #221 merrytexas

I heard today NY was already headed that way.

Yeah, I read that we're withing 5%. I'll say, if McCain wins New York, I will shit myself. And then I will clean my boxers whistling with glee.

234 stuiec  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:53:47pm

re: #90 Typicalwhitey

I don't know.
She has been on fire lately at her stops.

Biden is a blowhard and I don't believe that type of guy can intimidate Palin.

I don't believe there IS a type of guy that can intimidate Palin. She certainly wasn't intimidated by any of the big-league politicians in her state, and she had to debate all of them.

I saw a clip of a three-way debate she was in with her primary opponents in the Gubernatorial race. The two men were at it hammer-and-tongs, and she interrupted them and said, "I think we owe it to the people of Alaska to have a higher level of discourse than this." It was the kind of moment that Moms dish out to squabbling children every day.

So when Biden starts any kind of schtick to intimidate or condescend to Palin, she'll skewer him like a fat pig and set him to roasting.

235 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:54:16pm

re: #213 Viking6

I believe that you are probably correct in your assumption. It will be very interesting to see what will continue to have relevance in the US after Nov 4th. I think that the MSM and in general the upper echelon of the Dim's will probably become politically and socially irrelevant when McCain wins. Not that they won't be there for some time but the impact of statements and what-not will fall on many, many deaf ears.

Their perceived mandate of the "overwhelming majority" of the people will be up in smoke. Their standing as statesmen in the legislative branch will be openly up for scrutiny. The party will fracture, but the base will still be there somewhere where the true middle was all along. Abandoned by the conservative branch and rejected by the radicals, a smaller core party will exist in a lesser form.

The non-violent left will try to have a voice outside the box again, and eventually will fall back into the coalition. It may be tougher to redeem credence with those who felt increasingly alienated as the party turned from nanny government to overt socialism.

It will take years if not decades for them to recover if a successful presidency breeds another. But I think that they are being taught valuable lessons about the resiliency of American patriotism and support for country at all cost. A reformed dem party will someday be back on top, but it won't be just around the corner.

That's if they don't win in November. I'm betting on that.

236 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:54:52pm

re: #223 merrytexas

When The One loses, they will have a laundry list of why, none of it being factual lack of qualifications or his socialist/Marxist leanings.

Or his inability to even pass a simple FBI background check that a Navy Yeoman would need to pass, in order to take out the office garbage.
.

237 Badge of Kaffir Pride  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:55:46pm

re: #233 cliffster

Yeah, I read that we're withing 5%. I'll say, if McCain wins New York, I will shit myself. And then I will clean my boxers whistling with glee.

Then that's looking like an 8 point victory and roughly 100 EV. Wouldn't that be wonderful....

238 Tamron  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:57:05pm

re: #233 cliffster

Yeah, I read that we're withing 5%. I'll say, if McCain wins New York, I will shit myself. And then I will clean my boxers whistling with glee.

--Sure would give a pretty nickel to be a fly on Obama's wall right now...
.

239 Temujin  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:57:29pm

re: #233 cliffster

Yeah, I read that we're withing 5%. I'll say, if McCain wins New York, I will shit myself. And then I will clean my boxers whistling with glee.

If McCain wins New York, Oblahblah is headed for Fritz Mondale territory.

240 kw26  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:57:48pm

re: #233 cliffster

Rasmussen has "the one" up by 13 pts today in NY

Rasmussen 9/16/08

241 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 16, 2008 11:58:34pm

re: #201 Typicalwhitey

Personally I believe it is kos just propping up his minions on his website.
kos becomes irrelevant if McCain wins.

Totally disagree, there -- I think it'd be an Obama victory (не дай Бог!) that would completely take the wind out of kos's sails, since kos is all about reacting against the Rethuglikkkan Establishment.

242 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:00:08am

re: #235 really grumpy big dog Johnson

They felt like they had an Overwhelming Majority mandate back in 2004 too, right up until they lost the election by 5 million votes. Seems like they have this false sense of security brought on by ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and also sort of CBS. And NYT, Washington Post, blah blah. Not hard to see the reason for their arrogance. You think they'll snap out of it if they lose this year. I don't know, though.. I've seen Nancy Pelosi in all her snideness and I think they'll die before admitting they aren't loved by all.

243 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:00:09am

re: #235 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'll take that bet and raise you 10. I don't think they'll ever learn. They didn't learn from Gore's loss; they didn't learn from Kerry's loss. They continue to put up far left pols that the people don't want. The far left will keep control of the party because the middle of the road conservative democrats are too nice to take it away from them.

244 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:00:42am

re: #241 Throbert McGee

Totally disagree, there -- I think it'd be an Obama victory (не дай Бог!) that would completely take the wind out of kos's sails, since kos is all about reacting against the Rethuglikkkan Establishment.

kos wants to be a player in an Obama administration.

245 Tamron  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:01:48am

re: #234 stuiec

I don't believe there IS a type of guy that can intimidate Palin. She certainly wasn't intimidated by any of the big-league politicians in her state, and she had to debate all of them.

I saw a clip of a three-way debate she was in with her primary opponents in the Gubernatorial race. The two men were at it hammer-and-tongs, and she interrupted them and said, "I think we owe it to the people of Alaska to have a higher level of discourse than this." It was the kind of moment that Moms dish out to squabbling children every day.

So when Biden starts any kind of schtick to intimidate or condescend to Palin, she'll skewer him like a fat pig and set him to roasting.


I heard that one reason Alaska's senior Republican senators were ticked at Sarah was that when she became Governor and attended a Legislative session, she got so ticked-off at what she saw, she told them, "It looks like you need some adult supervision around here."

It went over like a loud fart in church, but you get the point......
.

246 Opilio  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:02:12am

re: #221 merrytexas

I heard today NY was already headed that way.

A poll was published yesterday that showed Obama at +5 in NY, today another showed Obama +13. Today's sample size? 500 likely voters. 500!!! There are 7,000,000 likely voters in NY, give or take. 500 is 0.007%

247 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:02:27am

re: #240 kw26

Rasmussen has "the one" up by 13 pts today in NY

Rasmussen 9/16/08

I'm fine with that. This is our bread and butter. Just keep the good hard working folks of America going to the polls, and we'll be fine.

248 Intrepid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:02:31am

Ben Shapiro's Wednesday Column on Townhall

Gave me a chuckle, it did.

249 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:02:56am

G'nite lgf'ers. You guys are great.

250 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:03:39am

re: #245 Tamron

I heard that one reason Alaska's senior Republican senators were ticked at Sarah was that when she became Governor and attended a Legislative session, she got so ticked-off at what she saw, she told them, "It looks like you need some adult supervision around here."

It went over like a loud fart in church, but you get the point......
.

like diarrhea ice cubes in the punch bowl, eh?

251 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:07:16am

re: #250 redc1c4

Somebody say something else, so diarrhea ice cubes aren't what we're talking about...

252 Opilio  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:08:36am

onomotopoea

253 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:10:01am

re: #215 Typicalwhitey

Fascinating: the Democrats split their party in two, and the winning faction's leader did nothing of any consequence to unify the party (other than strong-arm the leaders of the defeated faction, the Clintons, into making some public statements). He didn't help Hillary with her campaign debt, he didn't give her the VP slot, he did nothing to win over her supporters. And the anger he let fester spilled over into the PUMA phenomenon, of which this is the latest and most high-profile example.

Contrast and compare: the Republicans were split into at least three, between the McCainiacs, the Huckabites, and the Other Conservatives. The winning contender spoke well of the defeated factions, tried to win them over -- and in the end, chose a running mate that energized the defeated factions to support his candidacy. He didn't try to force party unity or create the illusion of party unity: he unified his party.

The Democrats are reaping the fruits of their own internal divisions. They're following the model of the Bolsheviks vs. the Mensheviks, except that the Bolsheviks had the luxury of using real bullets to persuade the Mensheviks to get with the Party program (or die).

254 neocon hippie  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:12:12am

I doubt that McCain will win NY but he may reduce the margin by enough there and other blue states to help with the popular vote total so it won't look too close.

255 Tamron  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:13:50am

re: #250 redc1c4

like diarrhea ice cubes in the punch bowl, eh?

Yeah, really. But not long after Sarah became Governor on an ethics platform, I was really tickled to see a big photo of a politician wearing handcuffs, right on the front page of the Anchorage Daily News. How often do you get to see that?

I'm not saying that Sarah was directly responsible, because I don't know the exact sequence of events, but a series of cleanup actions like that in conjunction with Gov. Palin at the helm, is why her approval rating here in Alaska has consistently been over 80% for almost 2 years now.

The people know.

The malcontents that stir up these little bits of crap you've been seeing, are definitely not the majority.
.

256 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:15:08am

re: #241 Throbert McGee

an Obama victory (не дай Бог!)

By the way, this Russian phrase, ne dai Bog, is pronounced approximately like the English phrase "knee die bog" -- with the strongest emphasis on the "bog," which means "male deity" or (when capitalized) "the Judeo-Christian God."

The ne dai part means "don't allow," so the whole thing is "Don't let it happen, God!" -- or more loosely, "Heaven forbid!" You can express the opposite just be dropping the negative element "knee" and just saying "die bog," which conveys "(may) God (be) willing."

257 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:15:18am

We could talk about something light and breezy, like Beslan...

Of course, the dems wouldn't know what the hell we were talking about.

Maybe we could talk about how popular Russia is in North Ossetia then, since that's more general and less controversial.

The dems still wouldn't know what we were talking about, but who cares?

258 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:15:36am

re: #253 stuiec

That's the difference between leadership and bullying. McCain learned leadership from experiencing the bullies in N Vietnam. Obama, well he hasn't been told yet about bullying and leadership.

259 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:16:23am

re: #246 Opilio

A poll was published yesterday that showed Obama at +5 in NY, today another showed Obama +13. Today's sample size? 500 likely voters. 500! There are 7,000,000 likely voters in NY, give or take. 500 is 0.007%

Statistical theory says that the size of the sample doesn't have to relate to the size of the population, but that the larger the sample, the tighter the margin of error. A sample of 500 has something like a +/- 5 percent margin of error (or is it even greater?).

260 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:16:31am

re: #255 Tamron

Yeah, really. But not long after Sarah became Governor on an ethics platform, I was really tickled to see a big photo of a politician wearing handcuffs, right on the front page of the Anchorage Daily News. How often do you get to see that?

I'm not saying that Sarah was directly responsible, because I don't know the exact sequence of events, but a series of cleanup actions like that in conjunction with Gov. Palin at the helm, is why her approval rating here in Alaska has consistently been over 80% for almost 2 years now.

The people know.

The malcontents that stir up these little bits of crap you've been seeing, are definitely not the majority.
.

i look forward to her sitting thorough her first session of the US Senate and saying the same thing. since the VP is president of the Senate, i wonder what a hands on person could do with the title?

261 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #258 cliffster

That's the difference between leadership and bullying. McCain learned leadership from experiencing the bullies in N Vietnam. Obama, well he hasn't been told yet about bullying and leadership.

He has the bullying part down pat. It's what makes him and Biden such a vulnerable team.

262 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:19:15am

re: #258 cliffster

That's the difference between leadership and bullying. McCain learned leadership from experiencing the bullies in N Vietnam. Obama, well he hasn't been told yet about bullying and leadership.

That's it, exactly. Obama's acting as though winning the nomination means that the Hillary supporters are obligated to swear fealty to him. McCain is acting as though winning the nomination immediately faced him with the challenge of winning over the supporters of the guys he beat. Truly, bullying vs. leading.

263 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:21:15am

re: #257 really grumpy big dog Johnson

We could talk about something light and breezy, like Beslan...

Of course, the dems wouldn't know what the hell we were talking about.

Maybe we could talk about how popular Russia is in North Ossetia then, since that's more general and less controversial.

The dems still wouldn't know what we were talking about, but who cares?

Maybe the US should offer a resolution in the UN Security Council that recognizes the independence of North Ossetia, Ingushetia and Chechnya, and see whether the Russians truly believe in self-determination for autonomous regions within sovereign nations.

264 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:23:22am

I wonder when the Kos Kidz will come up with the idea of shortening "Sarah Palin" to "Sar-in" (alternate spelling, "Sauron")? They could amuse themselves for, oh, weeks with that one.

265 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:24:02am

re: #256 Throbert McGee

By the way, this Russian phrase, ne dai Bog, is pronounced approximately like the English phrase "knee die bog" -- with the strongest emphasis on the "bog," which means "male deity" or (when capitalized) "the Judeo-Christian God."

The ne dai part means "don't allow," so the whole thing is "Don't let it happen, God!" -- or more loosely, "Heaven forbid!" You can express the opposite just be dropping the negative element "knee" and just saying "die bog," which conveys "(may) God (be) willing."

hopefully, come November, the voters will tell Obanal "yab vas"......

266 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:24:32am

re: #260 redc1c4

i look forward to her sitting thorough her first session of the US Senate and saying the same thing. since the VP is president of the Senate, i wonder what a hands on person could do with the title?

I wonder how she'll get along with Harry Reid? They're like two peas in a blender, right?

267 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:24:49am

re: #251 cliffster

Anyone for a daiquiri? Since we've got the ice cubes and all....

268 stuiec  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:26:01am

re: #266 cliffster

I wonder how she'll get along with Harry Reid? They're like two peas in a blender, right?

By the end of her first full week presiding over the Senate, Reid will be curled up in the fetal position, sucking his thumb.

269 mojo jojo  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:29:02am

Just to let everybody know, the US embassy in Yemen is under attack. The US really shouldn't have embassies in such shit holes. I hope the place is well fortified.

270 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:29:07am

re: #268 stuiec

By the end of her first full week presiding over the Senate, Reid will be curled up in the fetal position, sucking his thumb.

Please - my two year old daughter sucks her thumb, and I will not have you putting Harry Reid in the same sentence with her...

271 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:31:08am

re: #269 mojo jojo

Just to let everybody know, the US embassy in Yemen is under attack. The US really shouldn't have embassies in such shit holes. I hope the place is well fortified.

What do you mean?

272 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:31:58am

re: #269 mojo jojo

Not on the news channels. What's going on?

273 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:32:20am

re: #271 TheMatrix31

Linky from the spinoffs. No details yet.

274 Mel Lono  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:32:24am

re: #269 mojo jojo

Just to let everybody know, the US embassy in Yemen is under attack. The US really shouldn't have embassies in such shit holes. I hope the place is well fortified.

link please

275 Godzilla  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:32:42am

Let's hope this makes the news: McCain tried to get an agency to oversee Fannie and Freddie in 2005:

The Article

But his bill was killed in the senate.

276 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:33:02am
277 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:38:16am

re: #269 mojo jojo

Just to let everybody know, the US embassy in Yemen is under attack. The US really shouldn't have embassies in such shit holes. I hope the place is well fortified.

well, it'
s likely got a Marine det.... i almost feel sorry for the attackers.

/almost

278 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:38:46am

Thanks for the link. ROP!

279 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:39:32am

re: #276 BlueCanuck

More details.

i didnb't see any details... %-)

280 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:39:49am

I'm losing my ability to focus on the screen, so it's off to bed for me.

Sleep tight everyone. The embassy in Yemen is pretty heavily defended, so it would take a very serious attack to be particularly meaningful.

281 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:40:32am

re: #279 redc1c4

LOL, one said explosion. The other specified car bomb and gunshots. Might not be much but it is more detailed. :)

282 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:41:08am

re: #280 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Night grumpy, and just think of it as evolution in action.

/they are thinning out their herd

283 Mel Lono  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:42:33am

re: #277 redc1c4

Semper fi my friend.

284 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:44:53am

re: #283 Mel Lono

Semper fi my friend.

now if only there was an Armored Cav Squadron nearby....... %-)

/Scouts Out!

285 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:51:05am

Georgia releases audio claiming Russian Armor crossed into S. Ossetia before the Georgian military launched offensive against Abkhazian sepratists.

About the article I could find that wasn't tilting pro-Kremlin.

286 yochanan  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:53:50am

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

jamie gorelick direct ties to the democrats and obama how much of her 26 mil pay check ended up in donations to obama and the democrat party?

287 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:54:13am

re: #285 Fenway_Nation

Georgia releases audio claiming Russian Armor crossed into S. Ossetia before the Georgian military launched offensive against Abkhazian sepratists.

About the article I could find that wasn't tilting pro-Kremlin.

everyone who's surprised at this raise your hand.....

288 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:57:55am

re: #33 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The Yankees emptied out the house and his daughter never forgave them for stealing her dollie.

289 yochanan  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:00:36am

more on obama's connections to jamie gorlick
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

290 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:04:53am

L8r y'all...... enjoy the fruitcup!

291 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:06:44am

re: #287 redc1c4

everyone who's surprised at this raise your hand.....

The Russian aggresion part, the Russians denying their aggression part or the fact that most Lamestream Media outlets covered this viewing Saakashvili's assertions with outright skepticism?

292 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:06:48am

Night red, take care.

293 Tamron  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:08:48am

re: #260 redc1c4

i look forward to her sitting thorough her first session of the US Senate and saying the same thing. since the VP is president of the Senate, i wonder what a hands on person could do with the title?

Maybe we'll find out.

I hope Sarah doesn't get much apprentice training from Dick Cheney, though. He's pretty creepy.

Read the book "VICE - Dick Cheney and the Hijacking of the American Presidency", by Lou Dubose and Jake Bernstein. Published by Random House. Quoting from page 178,

"Lawrence Wilkerson was Colin Powell's assistant for the four years Powell served as Secretary of State. In the Army and at State, Colonel Wilkerson has paid careful attention to bureaucratic structure and power. Watching the White House from the perspective of the State Department, and trying to cover his boss's back, Wilkerson figured out who was in charge.

It wasn't George Bush.

Within the largest vice presidential staff in the history of the office, Dick Cheney set up his own shadow National Security Council staff -- something no vice president had ever done before. In this unprecedented arrangement was another glaring peculiarity. The vice president's national security staffers read all the e-mail traffic "in, out and between" the president's NSC staffers, Wilkerson says. Yet the President's staff isn't allowed to read the communication of Cheney's staffers. "Members of the President's staff sometimes walk from office to office to avoid Cheney's people monitoring their discussions", says Wilkerson. "Or they use the phone."

Here's a related article describing DAVID ADDINGTON, DICK CHENEY'S SECRETIVE CHIEF OF STAFF.

Also take a look at THIS VIDEO of Dick Cheney giving a speech, and joking with David Rockefeller about being a Director of the Council on Foreign Relations, and keeping that fact from his constituents back home.

Creepy. It's safe to say that Sarah Palin indeed has her work cut out for her.

Any fans of the hit TV series "24" out there?
.

294 Skyrocket  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:17:48am

Re Paul Revere #49 who asked: Who checks fact check.org?

I recently stumbled on a web blog that I think is a great source of facts. It goes way beyond factcheck.org. This place (unlike factcheck) links to an abundance of primary source information. Usually, you just get links to news stories. Not at this place.

[Link: iusbvision.wordpress.com...]

They have more factual information on the left's "Palin scandals" than you could possibly hope to find in any one place. I was overwhelmed with information.

Here is "About Us"

IUSB Vision staff is made up of IU South Bend students and alumni who have a more traditional, libertarian, or conservative viewpoint as opposed to the ‘think progress’ Marxism, far leftism, or pick your favorite euphemism, that is often presented as academic truth by so many academics today. We write about what ever we find interesting.

We are also dedicated to educating those who point at anyone who is not a far left ideologue and screams “FASCIST”. Someone has to explain the values of free and fair markets, and liberty tempered by restraint and personal responsibility, because our universities are not getting the job done.

You wont find the most graceful use of rhetoric or even perfect grammar (after all we are publicly educated), but what you will find is some of the best news and analysis that can be found anywhere.

***

No, I don't work for them. I just think they are a great help in dealing with liberals who never have facts.

Charles should check them out and perhaps add them to his blog list.

295 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:19:29am

re: #79 Tamron


A thought belatedly occured to me. I'm wondering how this effects the rouble. I mean....it was only recently (about when the Russkies began to fully exploit some of the Siberian oil fields) that the Rouble was no longer considered a laughingstock.

296 yochanan  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:22:34am

re: #54 realwest

It was the US Civil War - started on a Farmers field in Manassas (BullRun) Va and ended at the farm that same farmer moved to after Bull Run, in Appamatox Courthouse, Va (Appamatox Courthouse is the name of a town, not a building). And I think the Farmer's name was McCain!

the first shots were fired at ft sumpter not bull run

297 Skyrocket  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:22:36am

re: #293 Tamron

Uh, Cheney isn't, of course, a director of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was joking because the directors there are the likes of Tom Brokaw, Madeline Albright - none of whom would appeal to his "constituants". Rockefeller IS, on the other hand, an honorary director there. He WOULD find Cheney's remarks funny.

As to your belief that Cheney is creepy based on a book, yikes!

298 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:33:25am

*tap tap* Hello? Is this thing one?

299 Tamron  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:35:05am

re: #297 Skyrocket

Uh, Cheney isn't, of course, a director of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was joking because the directors there are the likes of Tom Brokaw, Madeline Albright - none of whom would appeal to his "constituants". Rockefeller IS, on the other hand, an honorary director there. He WOULD find Cheney's remarks funny.

As to your belief that Cheney is creepy based on a book, yikes!


Hmmm. You seem to be an authority on this subject..... Where do you get YOUR information, may I ask?
.

300 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:35:49am

re: #298 BlueCanuck

No- you'll have to speak up.

301 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:36:58am
302 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:38:25am

re: #298 BlueCanuck

*tap tap* Hello? Is this thing one?

ONE!

303 Tamron  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:38:53am
304 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:39:40am

re: #301 TheMatrix31

Ah, that's what this thread was missing. Music.

305 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:40:24am

Morning littleoldlady! Is your blue state getting any redder?

306 armaros  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:40:34am

US Embassy under attack in Yemen
[Link: news.sky.com...]
[Link: news.sky.com...]
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

307 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:40:45am

re: #302 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady.

/damn missed that typo.

308 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:43:56am

Fenway! :-)

IT IS! :-)

Rasmussen had it dead even yesterday...

BlueCanuck! :-)

Typo schmypo! ;-)

309 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:50:46am
310 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:51:21am

re: #309 littleoldlady

Darn, can't get it. :(

311 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:52:45am

re: #310 BlueCanuck

Consider yourself lucky. ;-)

312 loveguru  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:55:23am
313 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:00:00am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

314 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:00:14am

w00t!

315 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:00:28am

Fruitcup time!

316 Temujin  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:01:08am

re: #313 littleoldlady

Thank you, LoL ! Good morning !

317 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:01:46am

Thanks littleoldlady, and congrats on the timing.

318 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:03:02am

Temujin! :-)

319 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:07:35am

Good morning, littleoldlady!

I'm on a throttled Internet connection at work, and can't see youtube here.

I did see a great Canadian political ad on the TV when I was in town this evening. Video image of a lottery ticket, with the header that reads: "Dion's Scratch and Lose."

The silvery coating gets "scratched off" in an animation, and it reveals a videoclip of Liberal party leader Stephane Dion criticizing Conservative PM Stephen Harper for having had the temerity to lower the federal sales tax (aka GST) by 2%. Voiceover: "You lose! $1200 lost to the average family when Dion increases the GST."

Flash to another instance of the same ticket. The animated scratch-off reveals a videoclip of Stephane Dion plugging his carbon tax proposal. Again, the voiceover says, "You lose. The carbon tax will siphon thousands of dollars from the pockets of ordinary Canadians." Final voiceover: "Dion's Liberal party, a risk you cannot afford."

I'm sure I didn't get the wording exactly right, but that is the gist of it. Apparently there are a series of ads on the same theme, employing other gambling metaphors. I had quite a chuckle when I saw it, as I have always thought of those "scratch and win" lottery tickets as "scratch and lose" tickets, and I'm delighted to see them use the same terminology in their ad.

One of my co-workers was sitting with me in the pub when this ad came on TV, a guy who came to Canada from eastern Europe a couple of years ago. He turned to me and said, "They got that right." Believe it or not, we had never discussed politics. Too cool!

320 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:12:43am

re: #319 Alberta Oil Peon

Nice, going to have to check that out when I get home. Have the Conservative party website bookmarked. On talking politics. My brother called me the other day begging me to vote ABC. Apparently since Harper has gotten into power the typical person in China has taken a dim view of any Canadians there. I wonder why?

/okay I don't wonder at all.

321 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:14:11am

re: #319 Alberta Oil Peon

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

Hey you - long time!

I don't know WHY I find myself having to explain basic economics (vis a vis Obama) to people who should know better, but I found (in the spinoffs yesterday) a 4 minute explanation I've sent to my economically challenged friends and family.

Youtube (sorry) so hang on to it for later.

322 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:20:59am

re: #321 littleoldlady

Very well done and simply explained.

323 akak  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:21:23am

Fed to the rescue with $85 billion bailout for AIG?

Whhhhooooooaaaaaa free money. Never mind their CEO totally f'd up, their CFO should never work again, and professional responsibility might be more pertinent to Russian competitors.

But hey as they say- another day, another bailout.

/who's next in line?

Hello Mr Wells Fargo

324 rightside  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:38:49am

re: #321 littleoldlady

Very good, LoL!

325 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:45:45am

rightside! :-)

Howdy! :-)

re: #323 akak

It's not that I don't agree with you, except the tentacles of mortgage debacle are so spread out worldwide that it has the potential to take down not only our own economy but the rest of those poor suckers out there as well.

It's a fine line, and I certainly would want to be running the show right now and have to be a financial Solomon, deciding which companies have to play by the rules of free enterprise and which get propped up.

326 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:51:15am

wouldn't want

/I THOUGHT I had sufficient amounts of coffee...
//sheesh

327 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:52:20am

re: #326 littleoldlady

Two extra large mugs here at work, and I could still do a face plant on my keyboard. :(

/even got eight hours sleep yesterday.
//unfortunately in two four hour sessions.

328 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:55:55am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

That's how I've been getting my sleep lately, too. In shifts.

/s*cks :-(

329 Ledger1  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:02:26am

Sheesh, here comes "Shariah-compliant" securities.

[Washington Times]

The first clue that something is wrong with Wall Street's next big thing is that it is Shariah-compliant. The next clue is how Shariah-Compliant Finance works. Like subprime, it is a black box, in which management and investors alike are told to trust in the experts. In this case, the experts are Shariah authorities who are accorded exclusive responsibility for determining whether investments are "pure" (halal) and therefore acceptable, or "impure" (haram) and not.

As an important monograph on the subject recently issued by the McCormick Foundation and the Center for Security Policy (for copies contact the Center at [Link: www.SecureFreedom.org)...] makes clear, these authorities are, unsurprisingly, adherents to Shariah. A number of them explicitly embrace its call to jihad (including a former senior member of the Dow Jones Islamic Index, Sheik Taqi Usmani). This "holy war" is to be waged where possible through violent means, where necessary through "soft" means like Shariah-Compliant Finance. For this reason, such Islamists call SCF "financial jihad."

See: Shariah-Compliant Securities

330 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:09:00am

Good morning, Lizards!

331 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:09:41am

goddess! :-)

332 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:10:42am

{littleoldlady}

We still have to do that Cracker Barrel meet up!

333 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:12:11am

re: #332 goddessoftheclassroom

Yeah.

/sigh

So busy doing nothing... :-/

334 rightside  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:14:12am

{goddess}

335 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:14:21am

Morning {goddess}.

336 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:14:34am

According to Fox News, ten people have died in the bomb blasts.

337 19kilo  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:16:43am

Looks like th RoP has struck again. This time, Yemen.

You must really have to have pissed someone off to get that post.

338 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:17:42am

{rightwide}
(BlueCanuck}

I've been thinking of you, Blue--I just finished teaching The Call of the Wild.

339 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:19:04am

re: #338 goddessoftheclassroom

{rightwide}
(BlueCanuck}

I've been thinking of you, Blue--I just finished teaching The Call of the Wild.

Really? Why's that? I did like Jack London as youth though.

340 jsk1121  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:23:56am

Good morning Lizards, hope you've already been made aware that Hillary is refusing to appear at an anti-Iran protest because Palin will be there. How's that for the Dems' claim of unity?

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

341 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:25:03am

re: #339 BlueCanuck

Really? Why's that? I did like Jack London as youth though.

I thought you were from Canada...

342 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:26:35am

re: #325 littleoldlady

rightside! :-)

Howdy! :-)

It's not that I don't agree with you, except the tentacles of mortgage debacle are so spread out worldwide that it has the potential to take down not only our own economy but the rest of those poor suckers out there as well.

It's a fine line, and I certainly would want to be running the show right now and have to be a financial Solomon, deciding which companies have to play by the rules of free enterprise and which get propped up.

PLEASE quit scaring me with talk of global economic collapse. I keep seeing myself selling apples on street corners.

343 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:26:55am

re: #341 goddessoftheclassroom

DOH! Right Call of the Wild is set in the Klondike. Been a few years since I read it. Yukon territory. Interestingly my late aunt lived there with her husband for a couple years. Going to have to go there some time.

/time and money permitting.

344 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:29:24am

re: #343 BlueCanuck

DOH! Right Call of the Wild is set in the Klondike. Been a few years since I read it. Yukon territory. Interestingly my late aunt lived there with her husband for a couple years. Going to have to go there some time.

/time and money permitting.

I can't imagine living there!

345 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:31:02am

re: #344 goddessoftheclassroom

Summers are great apparently, lots of sun. The winters on the other hand. . . . .

/it's north of the artic circle.

346 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:32:14am

Interesting fact about the Yukon. Mammoth tusk is so plentiful it's not considered a national resource as a fossil. It can be dug up and sold by anybody who finds it. Scrimshaw is one way it's used.

347 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:32:57am

re: #345 BlueCanuck

Summers are great apparently, lots of sun. The winters on the other hand. . . . .

/it's north of the artic circle.

Upon reflection, I WOULD like to spend a week there all cozy in a cabin with millions of stars and the Northern Lights at night.

348 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:34:18am

Palin to be on Hannity tonight.....that should be fun.

349 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:36:34am

re: #347 goddessoftheclassroom

That's the spirit. How about a ride in a dogsled with real huskies? :)

350 Luigi  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:37:22am

Today's Joke Of The Day comes from this New York Times headline:

SNL’s Goals: Funny and Evenhanded
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Just like the rest of the media.

/*Have a nice day

351 daffy duck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:38:29am

Morning all! Per chance any fruitcup left? Oh, who am I kidding. I want donuts...

Anybody else "hooked" on those Rockstar Roasted Mocha energy drinks? I'm not much of a coffee / cappuccino drinker, but I dig these chilled versions.

352 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:38:48am

re: #349 BlueCanuck

That's the spirit. How about a ride in a dogsled with real huskies? :)

Ooooo, that would be great! I actually like snow.

353 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:38:58am

Here's the Dawson City webpage.

354 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:41:19am

re: #342 Tigger2005

There, there, Tigger. Don't worry. It will all be okay.

/she said, HOPING there won't be too many CHANGES...

355 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:42:11am

re: #265 redc1c4

hopefully, come November, the voters will tell Obanal "yab vas"......

Heh! Russian grammar, she is a tricky thing -- I understood what you meant, but the way you said it makes it sound like "I fucked you." And, as I'm sure you'd agree, no sensible person would fuck Obama with a 10-foot-long secondhand dick from Rent-A-Penis.

However, you simply can't go wrong wishing that voters will tell him vam pizdéts! (вам пиздeц).

Pizdéts is an abstract and not directly translatable obscenity derived from the Russian word for "c*nt" (which is pizdá), but it basically conveys "What a buttfuckingly horrendous turn of events this is!" And vam means "for you," so you can put 'em together for "Ha-ha, it must totally fucking suck to be you!"

On the other hand, nam with an "n" means "for us," so if Obama wins, you can say nam pizdets, implying "we are so deeply screwed" or "we're dead meat."

356 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:43:53am

Got to get ready for school--have a GREAT day, Lizards!

357 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:46:24am

Bye goddess, have a wonderful day.

358 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:47:45am

re: #354 littleoldlady

I have just the underpass for you and aboo littleoldlady. :)

359 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:52:00am

re: #354 littleoldlady

There, there, Tigger. Don't worry. It will all be okay.

/she said, HOPING there won't be too many CHANGES...

I don't WANNA be an Oliver Twist ragamuffin.

In the first place, I'm 42!

360 Dustyvet  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:52:10am

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

I would rather have a frog running my city than this moron.

Frog went a-courtin', and he did ride, Uh-huh, Frog went a-courtin', and he did ride. With a sword and a pistol by his side, Uh-huh. ...

361 guzziguy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:53:40am

Okay, just in case anyone is put-off about the frog's legs discussion way up-thread here's the gospel truth from someone who partakes.

1. Yes, they're very good.
2. Taste like chicken? Maybe, just a little. Doesn't everything? They're white meat. They're good.
3. Jump or twitch in the pan? Jump? No. Twitch or move? Yes. If they're very fresh. If that grosses you out or you just don't want to put up with it, simply make a slice all the way to the bone right behind the knee. Cut the tendon. No more movement. The back of the leg muscle will bunch up, however.
4. The discussion of gigs as tools was exactly right. My favorite gig has a latex surgical tubing strap attached at the butt end. I can stretch the hose and close my hand on the gig's shaft. Then, point toward the target, release my grip and the gig is propelled by the stored energy in the tubing. It takes just a bit of practice, but less motion is needed during the hunt which means less chance for the bullfrog to see movement and escape.
5. In my state both a fishing and a hunting license is required.
6. I still don't understand that Texas Aggie, "Gig 'em" thing.
7. Try them, they're great.

362 Dustyvet  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:54:43am

re: #359 Tigger2005

I don't WANNA be an Oliver Twist ragamuffin.

In the first place, I'm 42!

I was 42 once...about 2 decades ago...anybody seen my bottle of Geratol?

363 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:59:03am

That's it everybody ... go to work ... while you still have jobs!

Bwaaahahahahahhaahahahahahahahaaaah

364 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:59:09am

re: #358 BlueCanuck

I have just the underpass for you and aboo littleoldlady. :)

Where the landscaping?!

;-)

365 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:00:27am

re: #359 Tigger2005

I don't WANNA be an Oliver Twist ragamuffin.

In the first place, I'm 42!

The good news (for you) is that at your age people are still willing to give you a job.

/fighting chance
//do yourself a favor, do turn 50...

366 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:01:18am

re: #365 littleoldlady

The good news (for you) is that at your age people are still willing to give you a job.

/fighting chance
//do yourself a favor, do turn 50...

There's always Wal-Mart door greeter!

367 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:02:08am

re: #9 BlueCanuck

Ahhh, fond memories of chasing bullfrogs on the shores of ponds and lakes.

Living outside Merced, California in the early '60s, my dad and I would wade in the slow-moving waters of a nearby creek, with a bright flashlight, a 3-meter gig (barbed frog-sticking trident) and a gunny sack, until we had 60-70 pounds, Blue...

Take them home, clean and skin them, and put away in our deep-freezer what couldn't be fried in butter and eaten that night... and considering that MOST of our frogs were in the 20-30 inch category with thick thighs bigger than chicken drumsticks and more tasty (clean, white meat) we were doing all right, and living off the largesse of the land!

368 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:03:07am

re: #366 Tigger2005

Fuggetaboutit! THAT'S MY JOB!

Dustyvet! :-)

/see? I have mastered that skill...

369 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:03:42am

re: #365 littleoldlady

The good news (for you) is that at your age people are still willing to give you a job.

/fighting chance
//do yourself a favor, do turn 50...

I'm in pretty good shape too. The other day I was bragging in here about being at a Labor Day weekend fair and seeing a booth where the Marines were challenging people to do chinups. I watched 3 guy in their teens, who looked pretty fit, struggle to do 1 chinup. Then I went to the bar and did 11 (chinups, not beer mug lifts)!

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:05:38am

How dreary — to be — Somebody!
How public — like a Frog —
To tell one’s name — the livelong June —
To an admiring Bog!

— Emily Dickinson

Okay. First. I don't get it. Oh wait! Yes I do. Poetry is hard for me. I do okay with limricks.

Second

"I am - Somebody!"
-Jesse Jackson, the Rainbow Coalition, the lover's the dreamers and me.

371 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:07:10am

re: #369 Tigger2005

I'm impress! :-)

/gave up trying to do a chin up in 3rd grade...

372 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:07:44am

By the way, I have to rave about the great new fitness equipment they've got where I work. When we built our new facility they put in a fitness area with a track, but for 20 years all they've had is crappy 4th-hand equipment, and not much of that either. Someone finally persuaded management to invest in some first class gear. There's like 12 pieces of brand new quality exercise machines, mostly Nautilus, a whole 2 racks of dumbbells, several benches, elliptical machines, reclining bicycle machines, treadmills ... it's awesome. And they're planning to do even more, like putting in a new sound system and LCD tvs.

373 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:08:04am

Someone show this one to Michelle next time she gets on the campaign trail telling us how they're going to deman we step out of our comfort zone and get out and work:


Hope

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:08:05am

re: #371 littleoldlady

/gave up trying to do a chin up in 3rd grade...

I just grew more chins.

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:09:23am

Anybody go the BHO fund raiser last night?

376 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:09:40am

re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just grew more chins.

Guess that vegetarian thing isn't working out for you? :)

377 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:10:07am

I'm vexed that I couldn't find a YouTube clip of Doc Hopper's hired amphibian assassin, Snake Walker, from The Muppet Movie.

"Tell 'em what you do, Snake!"
-- "Kill frogs."

378 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:10:49am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody go the BHO fund raiser last night?

Yes, and I came away with quite a haul! They were all fixated on the One and didn't catch me picking their pockets.
/I figured I better do that before BHO picks mine

379 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:11:16am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Riiiiight....

I had an extra $28,000 to blow on frivolous, counter-productive fiddle-faddle, so I just paid up and trotted on over... Babs was in good voice... a great evening was had by all...

380 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:12:05am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not me, the invite must have gotten lost in the mail.

/like I could afford even the concert tickets
//like I would even want to hear Striesand sing. :p

381 Throbert McGee  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:13:15am

re: #373 NC State of Mind

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul

"Emily Dickinson wrote that 'Hope is the thing with feathers.' Actually, the thing with feathers has turned out to be my nephew. We're taking him to see a specialist in Zurich." (Woody Allen, in his book Without Feathers, written back in the '70s when he used to be a comic genius)

382 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:17:56am

This email was just dispatched to both Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker. My U.S. Senator’s from Tennessee.

Offshore Drilling Up to Senate After House Passage

This farcical “bill” passed by the People’s House of Representatives, MUST be stopped, voted down or killed (notice the redundancy?)

It was passed for one purpose only, as you know. A “see, I told you so” aimed at Republican’s, during this important election cycle.

Banner headlines and words spoken, in the biased media will trumpet ‘Republican’s do NOT want the change, Barack Obama wants, for OUR nation’.

The House Democrat’s just wasted ALL of our tax dollars to craft a ‘political slogan’. THAT REALLY TICKS ME OFF!

Enough is enough!

”No Drilling in Alaska”, “No Drilling Where Most of The Oil Is”, “No New Oil Refineries”, No Nuclear Energy Plants”, McCain Has No Energy Plans”.

Disgusting. Just disgusting!

Again I ask, what about YOU?

El Campeador/Word Press

383 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:23:15am

re: #380 BlueCanuck

Not me, the invite must have gotten lost in the mail.

/like I could afford even the concert tickets
//like I would even want to hear Striesand sing. :p

I'd rather listen to Gretchen Wilson sing "Barracuda" ...

384 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:26:02am
385 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:27:16am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody go the BHO fund raiser last night?

Not me. I blew my budget for political contributions at the McCain $50,000 per plate fundraiser in Miami on Monday evening.

386 mama winger  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:34:15am

Car Bomb, Explosion Rock U.S. Embassy in Yemen; 10 Killed

[Link: www.foxnews.com...] 0,2...,423823,00.html

"SAN'A, Yemen — At least one car bomb targeting the U.S. Embassy hit the front gate of the compound in Yemen's capital on Wednesday, killing six guards and four civilians outside, a U.S. spokesman and a senior Yemeni security official said."

My mother and sister lived right outside the gates of the US Embassy in San'a, back in the early 1980's. She has friends there, but of course as they were women they are not allowed to write to her.

I hope they are OK.

387 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:35:00am
388 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:35:10am

re: #340 jsk1121

Good morning Lizards, hope you've already been made aware that Hillary is refusing to appear at an anti-Iran protest because Palin will be there. How's that for the Dems' claim of unity?

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Any dem posturing about unity aside, I see that the donkey queen was offended, feeling that Sarah's presence made it a partisan affair? Sounds to me like it'd be a bipartisan demonstration. Hillary should march herself right into the World Court and turn herself in for crimes against logic.

389 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:39:18am
390 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:46:44am

re: #385 JustMyView

Not exactly what the post says. What is that site? Is it really a Miami Herald site? I was reading it and thought you had linked to an anti McCain page. Then I thought well it is just a collection of Obama stories. Couldn't find any stories about McCain except the one talking about his fund raiser.If those are all Herald Reporters I would think it was safe to say the Herald is endorsing Obama.

391 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:54:08am

re: #390 kcladderman

Not exactly what the post says. What is that site? Is it really a Miami Herald site? I was reading it and thought you had linked to an anti McCain page. Then I thought well it is just a collection of Obama stories. Couldn't find any stories about McCain except the one talking about his fund raiser.If those are all Herald Reporters I would think it was safe to say the Herald is endorsing Obama.

I think it's just a page at the Miami Herald site that contains brief items related to the election. If you don't like that source, you can easily find other references to that fundraiser. Just google "McCain fundraiser Miami'.

392 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 4:54:09am

re: #387 taxfreekiller

I really appreciate the right-brain essence of your posts, TFK... I think, sometimes, I really GROK what you're saying... :D

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:02:02am

re: #391 JustMyView

Couldn't find anything, but, if your premise is that all of these guys have sticky fingers/dirty hands, I won't argue with you.

394 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:03:45am

re: #391 JustMyView

Right and everyone Pro Obama

395 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:03:59am

First I had to look up grok.

Then I remembered that when I started grokking tfk myself it scared the bejeebers outta me.

/kidding, tfk!
//okay, not kidding, but I mean it in the nicest way. ;-)

396 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:05:41am

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couldn't find anything, but, if your premise is that all of these guys have sticky fingers/dirty hands, I won't argue with you.

The story is at the very bottom of the page.

397 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:06:09am

Mornin' all!
tfk is not hard to grok
he like
me
doesn't
like the evil
2 cult money
whores

398 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:06:31am

re: #395 littleoldlady

You don't grok? Surely you must have heard that term in the sixties. I actually found the use of it beautiful and interesting. So many ways to use it. :)

/I consider TFK a beat opinionist.

399 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:09:43am

re: #395 littleoldlady

I did NOT want to imply that I grok TFK in fullness...
I do NOT grok in fullness, TFK... yet

400 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:10:17am

Relief has arrived and it's time for me to go. See you all later lizards, and stay scaly.

401 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:10:45am

re: #397 pingjockey

Y'durn tootin', Hombre!

/neither do I

402 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:11:41am

re: #398 BlueCanuck

I had book called Groks.

/and I've always been a big fan of Dr Suess...

403 Buster Bunny  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:12:15am

I remember a time not so long ago when America was a capitalist stronghold, where free market trades increased wealth, and blue chip companies ruled the indexes with large traders making zillions.

Feels like yesterday ......

Hold on .. IT WAS YESTERDAY !

404 Rancher  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:12:47am

re: #392 Karridine
Isn't Grok from A Clockwork Orange?

405 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:12:48am

re: #402 littleoldlady

Heinlein: Stranger in a Strange Land. Grok means to drink.

/sci fi nut here
//and now I am gone. *poof*

406 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:13:00am

re: #401 Karridine
I am sick unto death with having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
I consider McCain most definetly not a RWR conservative and with the pick of Palin, he has allayed(not removed) my fears of a dem lite administration.

407 Buster Bunny  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:14:59am

re: #406 pingjockey

I am sick unto death with having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
I consider McCain most definetly not a RWR conservative and with the pick of Palin, he has allayed(not removed) my fears of a dem lite administration.

Palin is there to secure the vote for the Republicans. And Biden is just er .. um .. well .. he's there.

408 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:15:20am

Chrissy Marhews has gone off the deep end. Called Gov. Palin an "empty vessel".
HEY! Chrissy, your guy is the empty head atop the empty suit!

409 Rancher  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:16:26am

re: #404 Rancher
Stranger in a Strange Land, that's what I meant.

410 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:17:21am

re: #407 Buster Bunny
Biden being 'there' is debatable! Palin is having a campaign event in Pa. I think, 5 to 7 thousand expected. Plugs is having one too...about one thousand 'hoped' for. Mwahahahaha!

411 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:18:10am

I have to get to work...

/I owe, I owe...and all that jazz.

But I'm going to leave you with the simplest and most definitive explanation of how we got into this mess in the first place. (I'm sure this has been linked before, but what the heck!)

The subprime crisis.

Scroll down to the stick figure drawing and click on it to start the slide show.

Good day, ALL!™

412 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:19:13am

re: #410 pingjockey

Biden being 'there' is debatable! Palin is having a campaign event in Pa. I think, 5 to 7 thousand expected. Plugs is having one too...about one thousand 'hoped' for. Mwahahahaha!

Did anyone else think their was more than a little sarcasm when Bill Clinton said "Obama really knocked it out of the park with his choice of Joe Biden?" I expected all the delegates to bust out laughing.

413 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:19:32am
414 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:20:22am

re: #412 NC State of Mind
Yep. Kinda struck me a back handed compliment.

415 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:20:58am

Morning Lizards!

What's shaken? I see Michelle Malkin is on FNC right now.

416 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:22:08am

Good Morning, Wazzzzzzzzzup?
FNC is reporting that Barry will be dragging the teleprompter everywhere.
Think about it, even outdoor events. Imagine if McCain did that, I am sure that the MSM would be understanding.
The guy can't speak without a teleprompter without fumbling & stammering.
Would it be racist to wonder if his educational experience just might have been boosted by Affirmative Action?

417 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:22:33am

re: #412 NC State of Mind

Well, he cleared the fence of the tot lot, anyway.

418 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:23:20am

re: #394 kcladderman

Right and everyone Pro Obama

That's a somewhat paranoid view. Here's the list of topics:

1. Squabble between Florida candidates re who took money from whom

2. GOP Jewish group accused of anti-Obama push poll

3. Points out that McCain staffers have had important connections to troubled organizations, as he accuses Obama of doing

4. Florida budget issues

5. Squabble re advertising in Florida races; McC not mentioned

6. Why is Obama campaign focusing on Carly Fiorina?

7. Obama will visit

8. Voter registration issues

9. Mortgage issues

10. Report of push poll against Obama

I'm having a hard time seeing how that adds up to the whole list being pro-Obama . . . or even relevant to Obama.

419 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:23:31am

This can't be good:

[Link: www.geeksaresexy.net...]

420 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:23:57am

re: #415 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Just saw that. The feminists should be celebrating Palins' accomplishments. But, since she is a conservative woman, and therefore by definition off the reservation she must be destroyed. The party of JFK and Scoop Jackson has sunk to the level of sewer scum.

421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:24:56am

re: #416 opnion

Good Morning, Wazzzzzzzzzup?
FNC is reporting that Barry will be dragging the teleprompter everywhere.
Think about it, even outdoor events. Imagine if McCain did that, I am sure that the MSM would be understanding.
The guy can't speak without a teleprompter without fumbling & stammering.
Would it be racist to wonder if his educational experience just might have been boosted by Affirmative Action?

Operation Choas operatives should go to all those events and unplug it.

Barry UnPlugged.

That's what people need to hear.

The good news is this means he'll be even more unequipped to deal with the debates, lack of recent on-his-feet practice.

To answer your question, if Mac did this, the MSM would eat him alive as old and infirm.

422 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:25:41am

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Couldn't find anything, but, if your premise is that all of these guys have sticky fingers/dirty hands, I won't argue with you.

The page that I was linking to contains a set of short items re politics. The item re the fundraiser seems to have disappeared since I first linked to it. Sorry about that, but, again, if you're interested, you can check it out yourself.

423 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:26:21am

re: #421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
We need one of Dorians' sooper sekret ray thingys and hit obambis teleprompter with an emp burst! Heh.

424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:27:03am

re: #422 JustMyView

No, it's okay. I believe you. Just sayin', they're all dirty bastards. But, it's a dirty business. Who'd spend a billion dollars to get a really really hard $400,000.00 job.

425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:27:19am

re: #420 pingjockey

Just saw that. The feminists should be celebrating Palins' accomplishments. But, since she is a conservative woman, and therefore by definition off the reservation she must be destroyed. The party of JFK and Scoop Jackson has sunk to the level of sewer scum.

That side by side of The View interviews is just awesome. The clip of that needs to be spread around.

426 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:27:42am

Oil is below 92 dollars a barrel

The better McCain's chances look the lower oil goes.

427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:29:13am

re: #423 pingjockey

We need one of Dorians' sooper sekret ray thingys and hit obambis teleprompter with an emp burst! Heh.

Well, its all computer-driven... we need a hacker to get in and send a re-written script to it for Barry to read.

Based on watching Jack Bauer's crew, this should take, what? about four minutes, less if a nuke is about to blow in some warehouse someplace...

428 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:29:37am

re: #425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That was vile. You could see the claws coming out for McCain. Hollyweird and the left have had some inanities uttered over time, just as the right has. Very possibly Whoopi said the stupidest thing EVER uttered by anyone, anywhere with a national audience.

429 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:30:24am

re: #404 Rancher

Nope. "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein

430 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:30:41am

re: #421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Operation Choas operatives should go to all those events and unplug it.

Barry UnPlugged.

That's what people need to hear.

The good news is this means he'll be even more unequipped to deal with the debates, lack of recent on-his-feet practice.

To answer your question, if Mac did this, the MSM would eat him alive as old and infirm.

It takes a lot of preperation to get all that nuance in one speech.

Remember when everyone thought Bush had a tape recorder taped to his upper back during one of the debates last time? The bulge! The bulge!

431 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:30:46am

re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Heheheh! I think that would be a blast. We get tfk to write the new script for obambis' speech!

432 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:30:46am

re: #418 JustMyView

Of course you do.

433 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:31:16am

re: #428 pingjockey

I wonder how they'd treat Sarah?

I sure hope she never bows down to being on their stupid show or on Oprah, for that matter.

434 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:32:11am

re: #433 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
It would be vicious. Sarah would need to take her skinnin' knife to collect some pelts.

435 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:32:22am

re: #423 pingjockey

We need one of Dorians' sooper sekret ray thingys and hit obambis teleprompter with an emp burst! Heh.

Good morning Lizards... Ping...

ROTFLMAO.... Well..... It should be in the testing phase in about 2 months..... /evil grin.....

436 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:32:31am

BRB, more go juice.

437 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:32:36am

re: #421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Operation Choas operatives should go to all those events and unplug it.

Barry UnPlugged.

That's what people need to hear.

The good news is this means he'll be even more unequipped to deal with the debates, lack of recent on-his-feet practice.

To answer your question, if Mac did this, the MSM would eat him alive as old and infirm.

Lieutenant, you have just nailed it. They would portray McCain as in the advanced stages of Senility or worse.
Another thought, if Sarah Palin was President of Law Review at U of Idaho or anywhere & never submitted an article, would the MSM have any questions?

438 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:33:00am

re: #435 doriangrey
Faster, please! Mornin' to you too.

439 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:33:15am

re: #430 NC State of Mind

It takes a lot of preperation to get all that nuance in one speech.

Remember when everyone thought Bush had a tape recorder taped to his upper back during one of the debates last time? The bulge! The bulge!

I remember that... we had to explain to the left that this was something called a "spine".

Seems they never saw one before.

440 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:34:04am

re: #439 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Good one LT!

441 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:34:39am

re: #434 pingjockey

It would be vicious. Sarah would need to take her skinnin' knife to collect some pelts.

Ewwwwwww....

/remember the critters we are talking about.

442 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:34:41am

re: #406 pingjockey

I hear you, Ping.

We can ask "Hey, how'd we get HERE again?" all we want, but like you, I find myself reluctantly adapting my self and my mind to the reality that "We're HERE now," and I best do what needs be done, here, now...

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:35:13am

re: #427 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

BHO "I'm Barack Obama? And I am running for President?"

Handlers "Ok, who put a question mark there!"

BHO "Go f*ck yourself San Diego!"

Handlers "What?"

444 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:36:42am

re: #441 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I know. But the idea of Palin showing up with a knife used for skinning out a moose and scaring the hell out of those harpies was just irrestible!

445 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:37:53am

re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BHO: "I have a plan for Change. Will it work? I say, No, NO it will not... in fact, it is the stupidest thing I've ever read!"

Handlers: [Thunk]

446 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:38:20am

re: #442 Karridine
CRS disease has struck. IIRC, it was John Paul Jones...."We shall have to like what we have, and what we have we must like". or something like that.

447 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:38:51am

Funny story, an old Hippie woman I know told me that if I dpo not believe that we are the primary reason for Global Warming , then I am anti-science & believe dinoaurs lived with people, (She reads High Times & Mother Jones, so that must be a talking point)
I asked her calmly how the world warmed before, without humans.
Her answer? Can't make it up, "The people that were here before us"
Uh huh, convinced me.

448 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:39:09am

re: #444 pingjockey

The Horror... the horror... the horror....

449 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:39:11am

Okay, which one of you was it?

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

450 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:39:15am

re: #445 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Heh indeed.

451 eon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:39:53am

re: #382 Elcid

This is just more proof of the premise of Richard Miniter's op-ed. Namely, that the Democrats are still a bunch of dope-smoking hippies out of the Sixties who dream of destroying Western civilization so that they can build The World's Biggest Ashram on the ruins thereof.

They are also cynical, narcissistic, fantasy-prone, lying, cheating, double-dealing, and stupid. I say stupid because they think they can get away with this because they are convinced that the American people (being too stupid to vote for their "perfect" candidates for President lo, these many years) are also too stupid to remember how many times they've pulled this sort of "bait and switch" on energy policy.

Well, I have news for San Fran Nan & Co. I'm just back online after fifty-one hours in the dark because a windstorm pushed by Ike (80 MPH winds) brought down power lines and knocked out substations in 84 of Ohio's 88 counties, including mine. And that when I took the local FEMA office's advice and went to top off my gas tank, I paid almost $4/gal. for gas, in spite of the spot market price dropping below $100/barrel. Why? Because Ike crippled our ability to move fuel from our only major group of operating refineries (in the Gulf area) to the rest of the country. And the "enlightened ones" are dead-set against us building more refineries, or even using our own resources.

Well, to hell with that. It's time we put our own people ahead of Pelosi's mania for "saving the planet". For who? She obviously doesn't give a damn about the American people. Is she "saving" it for some future species yet to evolve? Or more likely, for herself and her cronies, sans the rest of us.

Going back to Miniter's column, if Obama loses (and I suspect he just might just on the energy issue alone, especially here in OH), I expect the "progressives" to once and for all go totally berserk. As Miniter says, they will have two choices; admit that the rest of us are fed up with their 1960s Birkenstock Bolshevism (to borrow P.J. O'Rourke's name for it), or just conclude that the rest of us are all racists.

Anyone want to bet which they'll choose?

They keep trying to "sell" us their "ideal" candidates. In 2000, it was AlGore, Savior of the Planet. In 2004, it was John Kerry, War Hero (and Savior of the Planet). Now, it's Barack Obama, Savior Of Our Souls And The Planet, Too.

And we keep voting for the other guy. By their logic, We Just Don't Get It.

IMHO, the line between narcissistic egotism and self-parody is a very thin one. And the Democrats keep jumping over it every time they run some P.C. "Perfect Candidate" for President.

(In fact, to borrow a term from TV criticism, they've jumped over that line so many times that they've jumped the shark.)

The Democratic party does not need another "Child of the Sixties" with messianic delusions. Unfortunately, what they do need they will never get from their present power structure.

Namely, somebody within it with the brains and guts to get up off their bean bag chair, put down the bong, and tell the rest of them,

Dudes- the party's over.

cheers

eon

452 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:39:55am

re: #441 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ewwwwwww....

/remember the critters we are talking about.

Harpy pelts.... ya thats just plain grosss.....

453 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:42:01am

re: #449 scottishbuzzsaw

Now you've done it! That is the sooper sekret power supply to replace the hamsters!

454 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:42:12am

re: #449 scottishbuzzsaw

Okay, which one of you was it?

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

Weeeeeeeeeee!

455 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:43:11am

re: #449 scottishbuzzsaw

Okay, which one of you was it?

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

Does this mean I have to get off the merry-go-round now?

456 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:43:14am

re: #51 Fenway_Nation

An Adult Fairy Tale

Bill Ayers = Saruman? Sauron? Perhaps the ring Bill Ayers possesses was crafted from the left wing of Sen. McCain's aircraft. Perhaps he and his wife are going to give the rings they to the obamessiah in hopes of bringing him down once again.

The End.

457 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:44:21am

re: #447 opnion

"Thanks, Hippie Lady... and Mars heating and shrinking its polar ice-caps is ALSO caused by humans?"

*sputter, gulp, gasp!*

458 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:44:36am

re: #455 doriangrey

Does this mean I have to get off the merry-go-round now?

Only if you want some coffee...

459 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:45:05am

re: #453 pingjockey

Now you've done it! That is the sooper sekret power supply to replace the hamsters!

Ooooops...

460 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:45:39am

re: #454 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Weeeeeeeeeee!

Thought so...it was you...

461 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:46:30am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another fine day in the valley redolent with autumn.

And I've brought brekkie for all.

462 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:46:36am

re: #457 Karridine
Didn't you know? Those 2 little rovers aren't using solar cells, they have nuke plants aboard and are warmin Mars on purpose to deflect attention away from the evil global warmaing cabal of McBushHalliburtonRoveHitler!

463 Rancher  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:46:50am

re: #416 opnion

Would it be racist to wonder if his educational experience just might have been boosted by Affirmative Action?

In as much that any criticism against Obama is racist. I think it's more a matter of what he learned rather than how well he learned it, GIGO. He got good grades, finished first in his class didn't he? But Jimmah was a well educated idiot too.

464 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:47:19am

re: #461 Miss Trixie
Wow! Thank you ma'am!

465 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:47:46am

re: #458 scottishbuzzsaw

Only if you want some coffee...

Coffee...... did someone say COFFEE........ ;)

466 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:48:29am

re: #461 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another fine day in the valley redolent with autumn.

And I've brought brekkie for all.

WHAT....... No waffles?

467 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:48:44am

re: #461 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Another fine day in the valley redolent with autumn.

And I've brought brekkie for all.

Oh yum...thanks! And Good Morning!

468 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:49:18am

re: #466 doriangrey
Waffles are racist!

469 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:49:45am

re: #468 pingjockey

Waffles are racist!

Only with syrup. Eat up.

470 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:50:17am

re: #461 Miss Trixie

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another fine day in the valley redolent with autumn.

And I've brought brekkie for all.

Good Morning Lizards!
And what a spread Trixie has laid out today! Don't see a coffee pot...mmmm..

471 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:50:22am

re: #465 doriangrey

Coffee...... did someone say COFFEE........ ;)

*hangs head in shame* I've gone all marshmallowy again...

472 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:50:24am

re: #469 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Boysenberry syrup!

473 eon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:50:27am

re: #449 scottishbuzzsaw

Okay, which one of you was it?

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]


LOL. That is so cool. And cute.

The little guy was obviously having a ball. And at the end, he sits there, head held high, like "OK, top that!"

It wasn't me, but I wish it had been.

cheers

eon

474 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:50:47am

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
And what a spread Trixie has laid out today! Don't see a coffee pot...mmmm..

SAVED BY HH AGAIN!

475 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:51:23am

Hey guys, FNC is gonna show some 'cougars' in a bit!

476 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:51:23am

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
And what a spread Trixie has laid out today! Don't see a coffee pot...mmmm..

Morning hoops.....

477 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:51:40am

re: #457 Karridine

"Thanks, Hippie Lady... and Mars heating and shrinking its polar ice-caps is ALSO caused by humans?"

*sputter, gulp, gasp!*


I get the feeling that they get emailed talking points.

478 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:52:31am

re: #477 opnion
Nah, they get their talking points sent by drum circle.

479 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:53:02am

re: #475 pingjockey

Hey guys, FNC is gonna show some 'cougars' in a bit!

Record button set to automatic. Mornings looking better already...

480 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:53:10am

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
And what a spread Trixie has laid out today! Don't see a coffee pot...mmmm..

Here you go. :D

481 Karridine  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:53:19am

re: #462 pingjockey

I hear you, Jockey! When some of the local expat moonbats go into full spew mode, I feel like calling for restraints, both leather AND psycho-chemical... Hey, do you have ANY LESS TENUOUS grasp of reality? is what I want to shout...

/but I just put on a goofy, neutral scowl and back slowly away...

482 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:53:40am

re: #471 scottishbuzzsaw

*hangs head in shame* I've gone all marshmallowy again...

Did you know that science has proven that putting a little chocolate in your morning coffee increases your mental alertness? God bless science...... ;)

483 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:54:37am

re: #479 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That is what I thought too. However, they are PO'd cougars. Took offense to the term and are suing some TV station!

484 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:54:38am

re: #476 doriangrey

Morning hoops.....


Good Morning Dorian and Scottish..How is everyone doing this morning/

485 Rancher  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:55:03am

re: #451 eon

It's time we put our own people ahead of Pelosi's mania for "saving the planet".

Who? McCain and even Newt have gotten on board the man-made global warming boat.

486 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:55:11am

re: #463 Rancher

In as much that any criticism against Obama is racist. I think it's more a matter of what he learned rather than how well he learned it, GIGO. He got good grades, finished first in his class didn't he? But Jimmah was a well educated idiot too.

Yeah, but he was a less than mediocre high school student & Jessee Jackson pushed him for Harvard Law. Maybe he deserved it, but why does he get the benefit of all doubt & Sarah is the spawn of Satan?

487 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:55:22am

re: #482 doriangrey

Did you know that science has proven that putting a little chocolate in your morning coffee increases your mental alertness? God bless science...... ;)

That's my kind of science...;>)

488 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:55:38am

re: #483 pingjockey

That is what I thought too. However, they are PO'd cougars. Took offense to the term and are suing some TV station!

Maybe they shouldn't be prowling for younger men.....

489 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:55:44am

re: #481 Karridine
In the immortal advice of Monty Python..."run away, run away!"

490 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:56:03am

Have the Koskidz blamed the attack in yemen on Bushco or the Jews yet?

491 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:56:19am

re: #482 doriangrey

Did you know that science has proven that putting a little chocolate in your morning coffee increases your mental alertness? God bless science...... ;)

I make mine strong enough to stand a tank tread track in... it would spit out any foreign substance... including chocolate.

492 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:56:35am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian and Scottish..How is everyone doing this morning/

Doing pretty damned great.... Ahhh the cures of living in paradise.... lol...lol...707...

493 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:57:32am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

Have the Koskidz blamed the attack in yemen on Bushco or the Jews yet?

Well, I'm not checking, KT...but how's the vacation going?

494 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:57:35am

The ROPMA doesn't like our embassy in Yemen. S'alright, I hate the ROPMA too.

495 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:58:00am

re: #491 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I make mine strong enough to stand a tank tread track in... it would spit out any foreign substance... including chocolate.

Oh... you like your coffee weak eh.... I make mine strong enough to dissolve a battleship.... But the chocolate still survives....

496 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:58:01am

re: #483 pingjockey

That is what I thought too. However, they are PO'd cougars. Took offense to the term and are suing some TV station!

Uh-oh... probably self-proclaimed cougars who actually have looks that make paint peal.

Oh well.

497 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:58:14am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian and Scottish..How is everyone doing this morning/

Good morning...doing just fine thanks, and you? Was the race rained out Sunday?

498 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 5:59:58am

re: #495 doriangrey

Oh... you like your coffee weak eh.... I make mine strong enough to dissolve a battleship.... But the chocolate still survives....

lol.

Naval friends of mine insisted they would not drink it if it didn't have a little diesel floating at the top. ;-)

499 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:00:07am

re: #496 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Uh-oh... probably self-proclaimed cougars who actually have looks that make paint peal.

Oh well.

Hey there is nothing quite like a 45 year old woman dressed up like Sluttney Spears to make the ole funny bone stand right up.....

500 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:00:20am

re: #478 pingjockey

Nah, they get their talking points sent by drum circle.


Cool! Hey, let's make government cool again.

501 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:00:56am

Losing It

As bellwethers of liberal demoralization about this election go, I've not yet come across anything so clanging as the following comment from Hannah Rosin, responding to the phenomenon of Sarah Palin: "One of my many depressed Obama-supporting friends suggests a tidy solution: Repeal the 19th Amendment." That would be the one that extends the franchise to women, and the point was driven home by the forum Rosin chose for relaying this morose alternative: the XX Factor feminist blog at Slate. I'll save you the trouble of searching out any black conservative's anguished recommendation that the 15th Amendment be put on hold until after John McCain is elected.

Yes, it's rather moonlight and self-pity in Democratic circles now that the prospect of an Obama administration may not be the certainty it seemed only weeks ago. "There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to," the Financial Times quotes a party fundraiser who formerly supported Hillary Clinton. "People are going crazy, telling the campaign 'you've got to do something'." Evidently, even congressional candidates from Obama's party have taken to distancing themselves from him and declined also to attack John McCain. Perhaps most telling of all was the banal and tepid remark from Bill Clinton, taken by Michael Crowley at The New Republic to be inspirational, that Obama would still win "pretty handily."

/they're melting!

502 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:01:28am

re: #498 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

lol.

Naval friends of mine insisted they would not drink it if it didn't have a little diesel floating at the top. ;-)

Thats the way dear old dad liked his.... and god have mercy on you if you made the mistake of cleaning his coffee pot..... Cause he sure in hell wasnt going too........

503 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:01:28am

re: #493 scottishbuzzsaw

Very nice. It's been raining pretty hard today so I haven't done much exploring. My house overlooks a little bay so when I saw a fishmam pull in ran out and bought some fight for dinner. Other than that the day has been pretty uneventful.

504 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:01:35am

FNC leading off with the beasts refusal to appear with Palin at an anti-Iran rally.

505 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:01:37am

What's this thing that Hillary refused to go to because Sarah was going to be there?

506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:02:29am

I must be going. There's a world out there in need of saving!

My tights are getting very snug, but I must soldier on...

507 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:03:14am

Off to tackle the quotidian...have a wonderful day, Lizards, and play safe!

508 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:03:46am

re: #502 doriangrey
You don't clean the pot or mugs aboard ship! Ever! That is like the 2nd commandment. The first is the coffee pot will always be full!

509 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:03:53am

re: #461 Miss Trixie

Ummmm. Thanks! Only one question - Are there any non-lethal FatBullets on that table?

510 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:04:53am

re: #509 Cap'n DOC

Ummmm. Thanks! Only one question - Are there any non-lethal FatBullets on that table?

Nope, just lethal ones... the rest are gone.

Mornin, Cap'n!

511 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:04:54am

re: #508 pingjockey

You don't clean the pot or mugs aboard ship! Ever! That is like the 2nd commandment. The first is the coffee pot will always be full!

ROTFLMAO..... Oh believe me.... This I know...................

512 eon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:05:04am

re: #485 Rancher

Who? McCain and even Newt have gotten on board the man-made global warming boat.

Yes, and you'd think that they'd know better. I've never understood the logic of trying to reach an "accomodation" with somebody who dreams of remaking the world in their own weird image. The problem with narcissists is that when you show a willingness to "compromise", they take that as a signal to run over you and force their own agenda on you and everyone else.

(Neville Chamberlain made that mistake too.)

I don't believe that everyone (like Pelosi) who opposes energy development our civilization needs to survive are evil, but at times willful, deliberate evil and mere exuberant stupidity are difficult to tell apart, because they tend to generate the same sort of unfortunate results.

cheers

eon

513 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:05:11am

re: #505 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
A bunch of Jewish orgs' having an anti-Iran rally during Dinnerjackets UN visit and when the beast found out Palin was gonna be there she bailed on the appearance.

514 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:05:47am

re: #493 scottishbuzzsaw

Well, I'm not checking, KT...but how's the vacation going?


They are crazy over there
A second day of:
Obama 48%
McCain 44%

I swear they are making it up.
They are also posting a poll:
Who would do best job handling the economy?*
Obama 47
McCain 36
(Diego/Hotline)

Even though Gallup has it:
McCain 47
Obama 46

And Rasmussen has it:
McCain 48
Obama 4

515 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:05:50am

re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I must be going. There's a world out there in need of saving!

My tights are getting very snug, but I must soldier on...

Cough cough... Spandex..... It's a privilege... Not a right........

516 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:05:59am

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (62 degrees, going up to 71 derees) and rainy Charlotte! How is everyone this morning?

517 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:06:26am

BRB, time to hold reville!

518 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:07:25am

re: #514 Typicalwhitey

They are crazy over there

And Rasmussen has it:
McCain 48
Obama 4

I like that one... hope the uncommiteds break our way.

519 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:07:41am

re: #497 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning...doing just fine thanks, and you? Was the race rained out Sunday?

I'm doing just great..They Run the MOTO Grand Prix rain or shine..
It was an ugly day..cold, rainy and windy.. Me and some friends were
just about to drive out there when paulie says' Why don't we buy some food and Beer and watch the race on the big screen?'
So in the words of the Guinness commercial we said. 'Brilliant!'

520 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:08:05am

Morning, Real!

Sunny and 60 here... looks like a great day ahead.

521 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:08:19am

re: #516 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (62 degrees, going up to 71 derees) and rainy Charlotte! How is everyone this morning?

Good morning real.... hope you are feeling well this morning..... Doing fine myself, have to run off to work though..... Catch you tomorrow.......

522 eon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:08:40am

Well, I have to book, too.

Places to go, things to do.

(Tree limbs to chainsaw.)

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

523 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:08:47am

re: #510 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Dang! Now I'm hungry. G'mornin'. Everything was just fine until Miss Trixie had to lay out her - goodies - on the table.

/is that a respectable comment?

524 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:08:59am

re: #518 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I like that one... hope the uncommiteds break our way.

Oops pimf

McCain 48
Obama 44

525 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:09:12am

re: #519 HoosierHoops

I'm doing just great..They Run the MOTO Grand Prix rain or shine..
It was an ugly day..cold, rainy and windy.. Me and some friends were
just about to drive out there when paulie says' Why don't we buy some food and Beer and watch the race on the big screen?'
So in the words of the Guinness commercial we said. 'Brilliant!'

And thus a grand time was in fact had by all.... ;)

526 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:09:17am

re: #523 Cap'n DOC

Dang! Now I'm hungry. G'mornin'. Everything was just fine until Miss Trixie had to lay out her - goodies - on the table.

/is that a respectable comment?

Depends, is Mandy up yet?

527 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:09:34am

re: #516 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (62 degrees, going up to 71 derees) and rainy Charlotte! How is everyone this morning?

Good Morning Realwest! How goes it today?

528 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:09:39am

FNC just reporting, a Jewish group is having a rally at the UN Monday, to protest the presence of Ahmadinejad & his acquiring nukes.
Both Hillary & Sarah are invited & accepted. When Hillary found out that Sarah Palin is coming she withdrew, "No Sarah , no way"
Hillary sure is a deep, principled individual.

529 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:10:00am

re: #526 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ohhhh nooooo. The Whackster!

530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:10:00am

re: #524 Typicalwhitey

Oops pimf

McCain 48
Obama 44

Looked better the other way...

531 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:10:01am

re: #516 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (62 degrees, going up to 71 derees) and rainy Charlotte! How is everyone this morning?

*pops head back into thread* Good morning, Studmuffin!

532 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:10:20am

Democrats accuse locals of being racist toward Obama

YOUNGSTOWN — With the Republican presidential and vice presidential nominees in the Mahoning Valley today for a rally, two local Democratic state legislators said they believe a main reason polls show a tight race is because of racist voters.

“Race — that’s the only reason people in the Valley won’t vote for him,” said state Rep. Thomas Letson of Warren, D-64th, about Barack Obama, his party’s presidential nominee. “There are 1,000 reasons to vote for Obama and one reason why you won’t — race.”

Sebelius: 'Code language' hindering Obama campaign

Asked at a brown-bag lunch at the local library why the campaign is neck-and-neck, Sebelius said "code language" raising doubts about Obama is invalid because his life experience "has a lot more to do with me and my family."

"I think that the notion that, 'By the way, have any of you noticed that Barack Obama is part African American?' I think that is for a number of people difficult," Sebelius said. "I think we need to talk about the fact that that is a real issue."

/they're melting!

533 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:10:20am

re: #523 Cap'n DOC

Dang! Now I'm hungry. G'mornin'. Everything was just fine until Miss Trixie had to lay out her - goodies - on the table.

/is that a respectable comment?

Hmmmm, Miss Trixie's goodies all laid out on a table..... Lucky damned table......

534 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:10:29am

re: #514 Typicalwhitey


I swear they are making it up.
They are also posting a poll:
Who would do best job handling the economy?*
Obama 47
McCain 36
(Diego/Hotline)

Who is this Hotline/FD group? They are usually skewed towards Obama slightly, but at RCP every poll is McCain plus 1-3 and these guys have Obama +4! What are there sample rates? 65% Dem?

535 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:11:02am

re: #528 opnion

FNC just reporting, a Jewish group is having a rally at the UN Monday, to protest the presence of Ahmadinejad & his acquiring nukes.
Both Hillary & Sarah are invited & accepted. When Hillary found out that Sarah Palin is coming she withdrew, "No Sarah , no way"
Hillary sure is a deep, principled individual.

I sure hope the Jooos notice this BS.

536 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:11:04am

re: #520 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Good morning! How are you doing today?

537 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:11:35am

re: #521 doriangrey
Ah, well then I guess/hope I catch you tomorrow dorian!

538 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:12:20am

re: #533 doriangrey

Hmmmm, Miss Trixie's goodies all laid out on a table..... Lucky damned table......

LOL
you almost crashed the Vette on that corner Dorian.. :)

539 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:12:33am

re: #534 NC State of Mind

Who is this Hotline/FD group? They are usually skewed towards Obama slightly, but at RCP every poll is McCain plus 1-3 and these guys have Obama +4! What are there sample rates? 65% Dem?

Good question, I've wondered that one a lot, too.

They are always putting the turd into the punchbowl.

540 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:13:12am

re: #536 realwest

Good morning! How are you doing today?

Passing well, thanks. Yourself?

541 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:13:15am

re: #527 HoosierHoops
Hey there Hoops! It goes I guess - just waiting for the phone call from my oncologist is all.
How are you doing today?

542 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:13:46am

re: #534 NC State of Mind

Who is this Hotline/FD group? They are usually skewed towards Obama slightly, but at RCP every poll is McCain plus 1-3 and these guys have Obama +4! What are there sample rates? 65% Dem?


THIS is what he says they are:
Democrats 389 (35%)
Republicans 283 (26%)
Independents 329 (30%)
Other/Refused 99 (9%)

I would say the Independents are not really independents

543 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:14:04am

re: #516 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (62 degrees, going up to 71 derees) and rainy Charlotte! How is everyone this morning?

Yo Real, Wadup?

544 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:14:09am

Does anyone out here have any more information about the attacks on the US Embassy in Yemen this morning - something like 10 killed according to Fox and Friends?

545 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:14:15am

Mornin' RW. We have stolen some of DGs weather up here. Supposed to be 95! Here on the east slope of the Cascades. Red Flag warnings, very low humidity, chance of T-storms with dry lightning.

546 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:14:56am

re: #541 realwest

Hey there Hoops! It goes I guess - just waiting for the phone call from my oncologist is all.
How are you doing today?

i'm doing just wonderful Real.. thanks..
It looks to be a beautiful day today..I love days like today.

547 Knitwit  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:15:21am

re: #355 Throbert McGee
Bonjour, mes amis!

Last night, Italian, and a Verlaine poem en francais. This morning, Russian. Is this a great place or what?!

What are the phonetics for these sentiments? I'm saving them for my collection.

548 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:15:23am

re: #541 realwest

Hey there Hoops! It goes I guess - just waiting for the phone call from my oncologist is all.
How are you doing today?

Hey Real! It felt like fall when I went outside this morning, nice to get some cooler weather down here in NC finally, huh?

549 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:15:32am

re: #544 realwest

Does anyone out here have any more information about the attacks on the US Embassy in Yemen this morning - something like 10 killed according to Fox and Friends?

Not really... FNC had just the headlines, the rest of the MSM is hoping it will go away.

550 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:15:38am

re: #531 scottishbuzzsaw
LOL! Good morning to you sweetie! Didja leave the thread or did you mean something else when you said you were popping your head back into the thread?!

551 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:15:52am
552 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:15:56am

The next Sec. of State on FNC....John Bolton. I hear moonbat heads popping everywhere!

553 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:16:49am

re: #550 realwest

LOL! Good morning to you sweetie! Didja leave the thread or did you mean something else when you said you were popping your head back into the thread?!

*blush* I meant that I was leaving but had to come back to say howdy to you...

554 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:17:22am

re: #535 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I sure hope the Jooos notice this BS.

Interesting that you say that. The just had a spokesman form a Jewish Advocacy group on. When asked if this might encourage he & others to support McCain, he said that ,"Well you know, we have to take a look at that." I guess that I wonder, what more does he need?

555 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:18:22am

re: #551 Typicalwhitey

Me likey the new ad!

Me likey too!

556 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:18:41am

re: #553 scottishbuzzsaw

*blush* I meant that I was leaving but had to come back to say howdy to you...

Well bye bye scottish..sorry to see you go..
May you always have a black and tan nearby..
/ old scottish proverb..
I think

557 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:18:44am

So, not much sleep last night. Head lice in the 4th grader's class led to a check of all heads and Princess had a nit. My lovely bride immediately turns house upside down, runs 313 loads of laundry, bags up all soft animals and pillows, boils the combs, combed all 4 kids' hair for 2.5 hours, has me vacuum the furniture and the whole house and lysol mop the floors. Can I have some of that Navy coffee?

558 GreenBear  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:18:48am

re: #416 opnion

Good Morning, Wazzzzzzzzzup?
FNC is reporting that Barry will be dragging the teleprompter everywhere.
Think about it, even outdoor events. Imagine if McCain did that, I am sure that the MSM would be understanding.
The guy can't speak without a teleprompter without fumbling & stammering.
Would it be racist to wonder if his educational experience just might have been boosted by Affirmative Action?

Maybe he'll take it body surfing...:)

No, Barack, I'm sure it's a flotation teleprompter.

/

559 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:19:28am

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)Let me get you an IV hookup.

560 harrylook  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:19:45am

Requesting aid from all fellow lizards:

I need the article one of you linked maybe last week about what is in American history textbooks about the Cold War, etc. I'm in an argument with some French dude who thinks Americans are taught nationalistic progadanda in history class....

561 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:20:25am

re: #551 Typicalwhitey

Refreshing, ain't it?

562 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:20:43am

re: #554 opnion

Interesting that you say that. The just had a spokesman form a Jewish Advocacy group on. When asked if this might encourage he & others to support McCain, he said that ,"Well you know, we have to take a look at that." I guess that I wonder, what more does he need?

It seems it will take Tel Aviv being turned into a sheet of glass and the Obamabi administration announcing "We'll the Israelis were asking for it... time for some dialogue with Iran."

563 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:21:17am

re: #556 HoosierHoops

Well bye bye scottish..sorry to see you go..
May you always have a black and tan nearby..
/ old scottish proverb..
I think

I like my stout straight up! ;>)

564 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:21:19am

re: #551 Typicalwhitey

Me likey the new ad!

100% to the point. I'll never see it on the air, here in the bluest of the blue media pits, but I'm glad it's out there. Love McCain's smile at the end. I wouldn't mess with that guy.

565 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:21:34am

re: #560 harrylook
Just tell him the RWR and Lady Thatcher beat the communists with no help from Europe. That'll get his BP up.

566 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:21:54am

re: #561 Cap'n DOC

Refreshing, ain't it?

He is calm and confident and just a wee bit cocky.
I much prefer that kind of leader than a "the sky is falling" loser like Obambi.

567 GreenBear  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:22:17am

re: #441 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ewwwwwww....

/remember the critters we are talking about.

And, remeber the law of the frontier: Only kill what you can eat.

568 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:22:46am

re: #567 GreenBear
Some varmints need thining out!

569 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:22:55am

re: #566 Typicalwhitey

He is calm and confident and just a wee bit cocky.
I much prefer that kind of leader than a "the sky is falling" loser like Obambi.

Yes please...

570 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:23:03am

re: #566 Typicalwhitey

Hey! My SarcFilter works really good. But thanks for giving it an early morning test.

571 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:23:38am

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)

When does mandatory head shaving start?

572 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:23:42am

re: #543 opnion
Good morning my friend - Whad's up is I'm just sitting here, sorta scared outta my mind, waitng for the call from my Oncologist about how my cancer's doing.
What up wid you? (and when did we start talking like that?)

573 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:24:07am

NY Post author Amir Taheri doubles down on claim Obama tried to (illegally) influence US policy in Iraq. Claims evidence is on his side:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

574 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:24:09am

Anyone else notice that the longer this campaign goes on the more refreshed McCain looks?
And the more haggard Obama looks?
Is is just me or are others seeing the same thing.

575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:24:18am

re: #567 GreenBear

And, remeber the law of the frontier: Only kill what you can eat.

/runs from room screaming....

576 GreenBear  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:24:26am

re: #568 pingjockey

Some varmints need thining out!

Thin 'em out like dodo birds...

In Texas, is "he needed killing" still a defense?

577 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:24:51am

re: #516 realwest

Good morning to you! Running out fast to make some money on a chilly morning, but I hope everything went well yesterday, and that today is a good one for you.

578 GreenBear  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:25:23am

re: #575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

/runs from room screaming....

Now, if you clean 'em just right...no, still too gross even for dogfood.

579 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:25:29am

re: #574 Typicalwhitey

Anyone else notice that the longer this campaign goes on the more refreshed McCain looks?
And the more haggard Obama looks?
Is is just me or are others seeing the same thing.

It's faint, but it is there. Hope he's losing lots of sleep. Damn noob.

580 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:25:31am

re: #570 Cap'n DOC

Hey! My SarcFilter works really good. But thanks for giving it an early morning test.

I am not sure what you mean.

581 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:25:37am

re: #558 GreenBear

Maybe he'll take it body surfing...:)

No, Barack, I'm sure it's a flotation teleprompter.

/

If Satan has his way & this empty suit is elected, will he drag his teleprompter to meet with Putin?

582 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:25:47am

Good morning, lgf!

Yesterday, someone (possibly Kosh's Shadow) requested a parody of the Major-General's Song, which our resident poet did not have time to do immediately.

So here's a verse of my own, to tide you over until buzzsawmonkey brings in his (undoubtedly superior) version:

I am the very model of a modern major Democrat
I've half-quotations, obfuscations, nuance - never mind the facts!
I toe the line for Soros, and I talk the points hysterical,
Dismissing each objection as a creature most chimerical.
I seek to broaden liberal sway at every opportunity
I tighten all the ethics rules then flout them with impunity
I'm rather good at blathering on matters economical
I understand taxation and prefer it astronomical.

I've no opinions of my own; I am the perfect party hack
Bipartisan until I see a chance to stab you in the back
The media adore me 'cause they say the left is where it's at
I am the very model of the modern major Democrat.

583 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:26:26am

re: #559 pingjockey

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)Let me get you an IV hookup.

Much obliged, I know you don't hand that out very often to civilians. BTW, nice young PO3 (Is that right?) Navy man joining the family. Sorry he has to marry my SIL to do it, but that's his choice :)

584 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:27:07am

re: #574 Typicalwhitey

Anyone else notice that the longer this campaign goes on the more refreshed McCain looks?
And the more haggard Obama looks?
Is is just me or are others seeing the same thing.

Most of Obamas life has been a cake walk. He has never really been challenged like this. This was supposed to be a lay up.

585 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:27:30am

re: #582 lurking faith

Good morning, lgf!

Yesterday, someone (possibly Kosh's Shadow) requested a parody of the Major-General's Song, which our resident poet did not have time to do immediately.

So here's a verse of my own, to tide you over until buzzsawmonkey brings in his (undoubtedly superior) version:

I am the very model of a modern major Democrat
I've half-quotations, obfuscations, nuance - never mind the facts!
I toe the line for Soros, and I talk the points hysterical,
Dismissing each objection as a creature most chimerical.
I seek to broaden liberal sway at every opportunity
I tighten all the ethics rules then flout them with impunity
I'm rather good at blathering on matters economical
I understand taxation and prefer it astronomical.

I've no opinions of my own; I am the perfect party hack
Bipartisan until I see a chance to stab you in the back
The media adore me 'cause they say the left is where it's at
I am the very model of the modern major Democrat.


{applause}

586 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:27:33am

re: #571 Kenneth

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)

When does mandatory head shaving start?

She had a gleam in her eye when I left, we'll see if the boys' locks survive the day. They get a buzz in the summer anyway.

587 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:27:46am

re: #574 Typicalwhitey
I'm sure Mc Cain sleeps the sleep of the "JUST"!
The "O" is in torment!
This is goin to better than the Olympics,the Superbowl and the World Series!
Can't wait!
Goooood morning one and all!

588 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:28:37am

Fuck, oncologist on phone,
BBIAW!

589 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:28:42am

re: #572 realwest

I'll say a prayer. Thanks for putting my day in perspective.

590 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:29:10am

re: #572 realwest
May your cancer shrivel up and die.

591 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:29:21am

re: #580 Typicalwhitey

LOL. Oh my... I was speed reading and misread your last line. Sorry.

/kicks SarcFilter.

592 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:29:31am

re: #582 lurking faith

MOST Excellent Faith!

593 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:29:39am

re: #588 realwest

Fuck, oncologist on phone,
BBIAW!

The quotidian can wait...*fingers crossed*

594 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:29:42am

re: #585 scottishbuzzsaw
*blush*

595 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:30:19am

re: #573 looking closely

NY Post author Amir Taheri doubles down on claim Obama tried to (illegally) influence US policy in Iraq. Claims evidence is on his side:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Note that Taheri claims Iraqi foreign minister confirms this in a print interview in an interview in (Saudi owned) Asharq Alawsa Arabic language newspaper.

I can't find any such article in a search of their English language website, though that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

596 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:30:45am

re: #572 realwest

Good morning my friend - Whad's up is I'm just sitting here, sorta scared outta my mind, waitng for the call from my Oncologist about how my cancer's doing.
What up wid you? (and when did we start talking like that?)

I am doing well, working at home & waiting for a claims adjuster to come over & ok the new roof from last years storm.
God man, I hope that you get good news. I am not really a praying type, you know except when I want something. Prayers for you today.

597 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:30:47am

re: #588 realwest

Fuck, oncologist on phone,
BBIAW!

good luck, rw.

598 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:30:58am

re: #588 realwest

Praying for good news, my friend.

599 GreenBear  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:31:03am

Hey, Hoops,

How are you this morning?

Think Mitch will have any trouble with Jill Long Thompson?

All her commercials make her look like a zombie time traveler in 1970's Indiana. No jobs! Record deficits! Chinese Communists coming up the White River!

We did have Chinese Tongs operating out of laundries here in the 20's but...

600 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:31:41am

Good Morning Lizards!

601 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:32:13am
602 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:32:38am

re: #591 Cap'n DOC

LOL. Oh my... I was speed reading and misread your last line. Sorry.

/kicks SarcFilter.

It's ok.
I was for McCain before being for McCain was McCool

LMAO!

603 jacksontn  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:33:11am

re: #572 realwest

Been there realwest. My prayers are with you.

604 harrylook  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:33:25am

re: #565 pingjockey

Just tell him the RWR and Lady Thatcher beat the communists with no help from Europe. That'll get his BP up.

Hehe. Yes, I'd like to get his BP up (that's not hard - I already mentioned Robert Paxton, the American historian who went to France and shattered the French myth that most French people were in the resistance).

But I'd also like to win the argument on this point about what Americans learn (or don't) in history class. And that was a perfect article to respond with. Sucks that I can't remember who wrote it....

605 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:33:42am

re: #601 looking closely

Sixteen dead in car bomb attack per AP.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

606 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:34:07am

re: #528 opnion

FNC just reporting, a Jewish group is having a rally at the UN Monday, to protest the presence of Ahmadinejad & his acquiring nukes.
Both Hillary & Sarah are invited & accepted. When Hillary found out that Sarah Palin is coming she withdrew, "No Sarah , no way"
Hillary sure is a deep, principled individual.

And did you catch Hillary's explanation for canceling? She said she "thought was supposed be a non-partisan event". ? It was non-partisan, that's why they were both invited. But then Hillary turns it into a partisan issue by canceling.

607 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:34:43am

re: #595 looking closely

You might want to check out this thread from yesterday. Obama's spokesperson confirmed it while claiming to deny it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

608 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:35:01am

re: #606 Kenneth

And did you catch Hillary's explanation for canceling? She said she "thought was supposed be a non-partisan event". ? It was non-partisan, that's why they were both invited. But then Hillary turns it into a partisan issue by canceling.

That's right. Partisan means Republicans get equal time.

609 Timbre  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:35:21am
How dreary — to be — Somebody!
How public — like a Frog —
To tell one’s name — the livelong June —
To an admiring Blog!

But Charles is a lizard, ne'er to be dreary.
Waiting beneath DIA, for an idiot unwary.

610 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:35:57am

Ya ready? Hillary & her people say that they dropped out of the UN event, because inviting Palin politicised the event. WTF?

611 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:36:16am

re: #606 Kenneth

Saw that this am ...
Hillary can't hide the fact that she's a beeeaatch!
Jealous much?

612 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:36:54am

re: #586 Spenser (with an S)

We've been through lice with our kids too. So sad to see the girls' curly locks lopped off (not shaved, but pixie cuts). Nasty pests, lice.

613 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:37:02am

re: #606 Kenneth

And did you catch Hillary's explanation for canceling? She said she "thought was supposed be a non-partisan event". ? It was non-partisan, that's why they were both invited. But then Hillary turns it into a partisan issue by canceling.

The logic here is nonexistent.

614 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:02am

re: #613 opnion

The logic here is nonexistent.

Liberals don't believe in logic. It's a tool of the oppressor.

615 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:07am

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

616 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:09am

Good Morning Lizards!

Whom the Gods would destroy they first drive insane.

Would the minor deity that has a problem with Barbara Streisand please finish the job.

Thank you.

[The Demotivator of the Day.]

617 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:14am

re: #612 Kenneth

Ya!Try having that problem at a 16+ daycare!
Arggghh!

618 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:18am

re: #611 reloadingisnotahobby

Everyday another busload of pissed of Hillary supporters drive over to McCain. Palin is the Human Wedge Issue. McCain was brilliant to pick her!

619 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:29am

good morning sunshine (in a sing songy way)

620 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:32am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.


{realwest}

621 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:48am

re: #615 realwest
Oh, DAMN! Sorry to hear it. Praying now.

622 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:51am

re: #602 Typicalwhitey

Well - that's that bad part, since I know where you are and I blew on by a couple of really important words there.

623 soccerdad  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:51am

Check out the Liberal Blogs that I found through a link at the Fweeench news agency Reuters' Site:
Russia to USA: How about Cuba Bases for Us?
Here's how it starts:

The imperial presidency of George Bush and his heir apparent, John McCain believes it has the right to impose American will anywhere in the world at anytime.........

Think Rueters might include a link to LGF? Michelle Malkin? Wow..just wow

624 Timbre  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:38:54am

re: #615 realwest

Hope and blessings to you Realwest!

625 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:39:24am

re: #615 realwest
Dear Lord remember our friend in his hour of need!

626 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:39:25am

McCain is beating up BHO about all the cash he has taken from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. Go get him!

627 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:39:49am

So sayeth the "O":

“They don't have answers to our economic problems,” he said, “and they don't have answers to our foreign policy problems.” Obama asked the crowd to "keep steady"” in the remaining 48 days until Election day and to remember that his campaign “is about those who will never see the inside of a building like this and don't resent the success that's represented in this room, but just want the simple chance to be able to find a job that pays a living wage.”


[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

The HELL THEY DON"T!

628 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:39:51am

re: #626 opnion

McCain is beating up BHO about all the cash he has taken from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. Go get him!

We need an ad about it.

629 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:40:01am

re: #607 lurking faith

You might want to check out this thread from yesterday. Obama's spokesperson confirmed it while claiming to deny it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I know about that, thanks. (I even posted about his denial before the thread in question).

The author of this piece is responding to that denial.

630 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:40:47am

re: #628 Sharmuta

We need an ad about it.

McCain doesn't have "clean hands" here, as I believe he's also taken money from both (though a signficantly lesser amount).

631 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:40:54am

re: #612 Kenneth

We've been through lice with our kids too. So sad to see the girls' curly locks lopped off (not shaved, but pixie cuts). Nasty pests, lice.

10-4. Plus, if not every single kid in the school does the same things we're doing, it'll cycle all over again.

632 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:41:06am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

{RW}

633 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:41:11am

re: #615 realwest

Oh, no. Prayers for you, my friend.

634 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:41:28am

re: #615 realwest

I dinged it down Real - I don't like hearing it. We're praying for you - all of us. Even those who don't.

635 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:41:39am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

Real life sucks. Godspeed.

636 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:42:06am

re: #583 Spenser (with an S)
PO3 is correct. Are you dissing your SiL?!

637 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:42:10am

re: #615 realwest

{REALWEST}

Please take care and please get back to us. Prayers for you.

638 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:42:45am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I provide the following for your amusement.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has backed out of an appearance at an event in NYC because Gov. Sarah Palin will be present.

The topics to be discussed at the event? It's a pro-Israel, anti-Iran rally coinciding with the UN General Assembly opening session. Well, doesn't that beat all. Some supporter for Israel Sen. Clinton is, and so much for domestic politics ending at our shores. Support for Israel is bipartisan, and yet Clinton skips out? Classy.

639 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

God I hate cancer so much. Godspeed.

640 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:43:22am

re: #449 scottishbuzzsaw

Okay, which one of you was it?

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

That was hilarious!

641 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:43:32am

Good morning

642 Fiery Red XIII  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:43:33am

US Embassy in Yemen was just attacked... saw it on CNN

Red

643 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:43:54am

re: #572 realwest

I wish you the best of luck and hope the news is good.

644 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:44:48am

re: #615 realwest

Hang in there dude! All our prayers for you.

645 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:45:00am

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)

Oh No! One of my kids went through this and I got excellent advice from a few lizards. It was a nightmare, but we got through it.

646 Spider Mensch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:45:20am

re: #616 The Other Les

Good Morning Lizards!

Whom the Gods would destroy they first drive insane.

Would the minor deity that has a problem with Barbara Streisand please finish the job.

Thank you.

[The Demotivator of the Day.]


I never liked babs streisand, but I really disliked her after she took a wonderful Pat Conroy novel "The Prince of Tides" and did a movie hatchet job on it. A wonderful Novel with complex characters that she turned into a self cheese cloth filtered homage to her own ego. i can't stand her.

/rant off

647 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:45:57am

re: #599 GreenBear

Hey, Hoops,

How are you this morning?

Think Mitch will have any trouble with Jill Long Thompson?

All her commercials make her look like a zombie time traveler in 1970's Indiana. No jobs! Record deficits! Chinese Communists coming up the White River!

We did have Chinese Tongs operating out of laundries here in the 20's but...


Well I don't think Mitch has a prayer in Indy..or South Bend area..I think he'll win the state..
I was at Reggie Miller's retirement game when they hung his jersey and Mitch spoke and was booed without mercy..class act.

648 looking closely  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:46:04am

re: #607 lurking faith

Good Op-Ed on Obama foreign policy flap here at NRO:


Taheri’s column comports with second-hand reports I’ve received from those with access to top U.S. decision-makers in Iraq. Rather than use his touch-down trip to Baghdad to fact-find and consult with senior Iraqi and American officials, Sen. Obama made a concerted effort to push his post–Bush administration agenda, undermining — in word and deed — current diplomatic efforts in Iraq. Tuesday, the Obama campaign essentially confirmed the details of Taheri’s reporting.

Some will see this interference in foreign policy during a time of war and cry, “Treason!” While the episode truly is a scandal, I will check my emotions — as I find the overabundance of outrage in our politics tiring and toxic. I believe, rather, that the underlying naivety of Obama’s overtures is the more disturbing lesson to be distilled from this discovery.

It’s not just that Sen. Obama doesn’t believe in the mission in Iraq, it’s that he still doesn’t get it (to plagiarize from the senator himself). Fundamentally, he doesn’t understand the mission in Iraq, what it takes to win a war, or the ramifications of the outcome of this war for the U.S.’s enduring national security. He just doesn’t get it.

In Obama’s world, foreign-policy contorts to meet domestic politics, and commanding generals accommodate arbitrary political timelines. From his perspective, facts on a foreign battlefield exist to the extent they comport with his judgment, rather than his judgment comporting to facts on a foreign battlefield.

649 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:46:04am

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)

So, not much sleep last night. Head lice in the 4th grader's class led to a check of all heads and Princess had a nit. My lovely bride immediately turns house upside down, runs 313 loads of laundry, bags up all soft animals and pillows, boils the combs, combed all 4 kids' hair for 2.5 hours, has me vacuum the furniture and the whole house and lysol mop the floors. Can I have some of that Navy coffee?

Been there, done that.

Secret weapon:
Baby Oil applied to hair and scalp for 3 hours every 2 or 3rd day, then washed out.
Use the special shampoo between-times.
It will take 2 weeks no matter what you do.

650 astronmr20  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:46:12am

Please forgive my ignorance,

... but why exactly do we have an ebmassy in Yemen? Could we not save some $ and put up a Cole memorial or something?

651 astronmr20  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:47:02am

re: #572 realwest

Good morning my friend - Whad's up is I'm just sitting here, sorta scared outta my mind, waitng for the call from my Oncologist about how my cancer's doing.
What up wid you? (and when did we start talking like that?)

Fellow Charlottian to another-

Just said a prayer for ya man.

652 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:47:15am

re: #638 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I provide the following for your amusement.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has backed out of an appearance at an event in NYC because Gov. Sarah Palin will be present.

The topics to be discussed at the event? It's a pro-Israel, anti-Iran rally coinciding with the UN General Assembly opening session. Well, doesn't that beat all. Some supporter for Israel Sen. Clinton is, and so much for domestic politics ending at our shores. Support for Israel is bipartisan, and yet Clinton skips out? Classy.

This is Leftist mental inversion taken to its ultimate extreme. They believe they will win by pissing off everyone in sight. They've still have their eyes locked on the New Socialist Man and they're ignoring the real human beings whose votes they need to win.

They are insane.

653 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:47:28am

re: #640 reine.de.tout

That was hilarious!

{reine} good morning!

654 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:47:29am

re: #449 scottishbuzzsaw

Whoa... There's gottabe an insurance ad in there somewhere.

655 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:48:15am

Have you all taken the Barack Obama test?

I heard the writer of this book on the radio this morning:

Take the Barack Obama Test!

656 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:48:42am

Troofers blame embassy attack on Bush effort to distract the election in 5...4...3...

657 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:49:33am

re: #650 astronmr20
The only reason I can think of is to give CIA operatives cover as 3rd assistant to the ambassador or something. Other than that no. Plus some idiot at the State Dept convinced the Navy itwas safe to put a ship in there. Idiots. No port in the ME is safe. Yemen doubly so.

658 joan  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:50:19am

re: #109 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Not a chance. He will attempt to bully Palin, and it will be a disaster.

Supercilious. Mildly scornful and dismissive. Exaggerated politeness. He may persistently call her "Mrs. Palin," rather than Governor. Day One the apparatchiks hated giving her that title, it was all about "small town Mayor." Whenever possible he'll lecture, dazzle us all with his gravitas. Oh, and a very patient, tolerant, piss-on-shoes smile.

Biden is a shark. Need to make him bare his fangs and drop the oily bonhommie. He is very able and can simulate passion. Therefore, be steadfast and make him look like the hammy pol he truly is.

Sarah Palin will only survive if she is 100% authentic, shielded from within by a rock solid sense of herself, of her duty and on fire with a mission to serve the Republic. She might flub on factoids, but if she is strong on common sense, if she's intrepid on just the core issues that matter most, if she stands tall, she'll slice right through old Foggybottom's pol talk.

659 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:50:32am

Major Hillary Supporter Will Endorse McCain Today


Hillary Clinton supporter and member of the Democratic National Committee's platform committee Lynn Forester de Rothschild will endorse John McCain today.

Rothschild will hold a press conference not far from DNC headquarters in Washington DC later today. She says Obama is arrogant and does not connect to the average voter.
True.

No shit, Sherlock.

Another busload of Pissed off Hillary Supporters driving over to McCain, thanks to Sarah Palin, the human wedge issue.

660 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:50:40am

re: #656 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Troofers blame embassy attack on Bush effort to distract the election in 5...4...3...

The dual car suicide bombers were a CIA plant sent by Bush..
/

661 astronmr20  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:51:14am

... and another peaceful month of Ramadan, from the religion that wasn't smart enough to make a calendar that works.

662 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:51:29am

re: #630 looking closely

McCain doesn't have "clean hands" here, as I believe he's also taken money from both (though a signficantly lesser amount).

Obama is #2, McCain is #64 according to a report of Fox a few minutes ago.

663 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:51:38am

{realwest} *hug* *smoochie* Please get back to us, luv, and prayers are going up.

664 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:51:47am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

{realwest} Praying for your strength and determination

665 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:51:48am

re: #652 The Other Les

The New Socialist Man will be left on the trash heap of history. He will be out bred by the other classes of man.

666 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:52:12am

I'm looking forward to a movie for once!

An American Carol

As the title suggests, the story line is based on Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol." Ghosts of the past -- George Washington (Voight), Gen. George S. Patton (Grammer) and John F. Kennedy (Chriss Anglin) -- squire America-bashing filmmaker "Michael Malone" around to see how the world would look if America hadn't bothered to fight any wars.

Malone, brilliantly played by Farley, has joined forces with a left-wing group, MoveAlong.org, to ban the Fourth of July. He also has been hired by terrorists to make a propaganda film to help recruit a diminishing supply of suicide bombers.

And you thought suicide bombers weren't funny.

The joke begins when two would-be terrorists enter a New York City subway station and are met at a security checkpoint by two NYPD officers. Just as they're about to be searched, in rushes a squad of ACLU attorneys with a stop-search order.

"Thank Allah for the ACLU," says one of the terrorists -- and we're off!

The vignettes keep coming so fast, it's hard to keep up.

One memorable scene has "Rosie O'Connell" appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor" to promote her new documentary, "The Truth About Radical Christians." The documentary shows two priests who hijack an airplane and storm the cockpit brandishing crucifixes. Next, we see two nuns festooned with explosives boarding a bus as passengers shout: "Oh no! Not the Christians!"

Another standout has Patton's ghost showing Malone a modern-day plantation full of happy cotton pickers who thank Malone for being such a humane slave owner. Malone staggers at the sight only to learn that this is his plantation and these are his slaves -- thanks to anti-war sentiment that prevented the Civil War.

In a line that filmmakers are still debating whether to cut, a smiling Gary Coleman finishes polishing a car and tosses his rag to someone: "Hey, Barack!"

No, he didn't say that. Yes. He. Did.

667 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:52:42am

re: #645 WriterMom

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)

Oh No! One of my kids went through this and I got excellent advice from a few lizards. It was a nightmare, but we got through it.

Do you remember any of the advice? It all sounds so contradictory. "They are people pests, not house pests, so don't spray the furniture" "Oh, but the eggs can live for a month without human warmth" Either they're superbugs just lying dormant in wait to jump onto your neck or they're easily removed by washing clothes and vacuuming the house. I do believe the fine-tooth combing every day should be the most decisive solution.

668 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:54:07am

re: #660 HoosierHoops

The dual car suicide bombers were a CIA plant sent by Bush..
/

You can tell... because in the grainy last second security cam video you can clearly make out a large decal on the door that says:

CIA: Secret Use Only

But there are the doubters that will try to claim it actually says:

Dominos: We Deliver

The freaking loons.

669 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:54:08am

re: #631 Spenser (with an S)

10-4. Plus, if not every single kid in the school does the same things we're doing, it'll cycle all over again.

More importantly, if not every single individual in the household is treated for lice all at the same time, you will still be trying to get rid of it months from now. Everybody. Whether you see a nit or not. And yes, that means you too.

PS - teach the kids to take their winter hats, roll them up and stash them either in a coat pocket or their back pack rather than have them all jumbled up with everyone else's like so many schools do.

670 astronmr20  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:54:15am

re: #659 Kenneth

Major Hillary Supporter Will Endorse McCain Today


No shit, Sherlock.

Another busload of Pissed off Hillary Supporters driving over to McCain, thanks to Sarah Palin, the human wedge issue.

...and now we can expect a boatload of Jewish voters to come over to our side, as well due to Hillary's blind hatred of Palin.

Hil is already looking to 2012, though, and sabotaging Obama will work out fine for her.

671 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:54:29am

re: #557 Spenser (with an S)

When my girls were little they came home with a note from school...much like your child.

We were given a recipe for non toxic hair treatment. It was 1/2 cup Olive oil with, tea tree oil and peppermint oil. about 2-3 drops of tea tree and 6-8 of peppermint. slather in hair put on plastic cap and sleep....wash out next morning with Paul Mitchell tea tree shampoo.

We found it to work very well. Nits are extremely important to to remove with fine comb, a dog comb with close spaced teeth worked the best.


ahh those were the days....I did much like your wife. even threw out all the precious hair bows.

672 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:55:04am

re: #649 reine.de.tout

B

een there, done that.

Secret weapon:
Baby Oil applied to hair and scalp for 3 hours every 2 or 3rd day, then washed out.
Use the special shampoo between-times.
It will take 2 weeks no matter what you do.

Thanks, I'll try that. My wife put a heavy cholesterol conditioner on my daughter's head and had her sleep in a shower cap, too.

673 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:55:38am
674 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:56:13am

re: #671 kawfytawk

oh and one other thing....throw a dog's flea collar in your vacuum bag for the time being

675 astronmr20  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:56:24am

re: #673 cliffster

I'm bored, let's blow shit up

It's the month of Bomb-a-don. No surprise.

676 3 wood  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:56:46am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

Oh, dear Lord, please hold realwest and put your healing hands upon him.

Real you got my number, call me if you want to talk.

677 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:57:27am

re: #670 astronmr20

...and now we can expect a boatload of Jewish voters to come over to our side, as well due to Hillary's blind hatred of Palin.

Hil is already looking to 2012, though, and sabotaging Obama will work out fine for her.

That any Jew would vote for Hamas-endorsed Obama is beyond me. I'm glad to see the tide is turning. Hillary better start looking at how she's going to run against Palin in 2012, as McCain is not going to run for two terms.

678 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:57:33am

re: #669 galloping granny

10-4. Plus, if not every single kid in the school does the same things we're doing, it'll cycle all over again.

More importantly, if not every single individual in the household is treated for lice all at the same time, you will still be trying to get rid of it months from now. Everybody. Whether you see a nit or not. And yes, that means you too.

PS - teach the kids to take their winter hats, roll them up and stash them either in a coat pocket or their back pack rather than have them all jumbled up with everyone else's like so many schools do.

Yes Ma'am. I used the special rinse last night.

679 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:57:43am
680 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:57:58am

re: #629 looking closely

Ah, yes - sorry; I just glanced at your link and thought it was the original statement. I took a look at the Saudi-owned paper, too, and it looks to me like the English version is probably a VERY stripped down version of the original Arabic-language paper.

That's normal in international publishing. It takes time to translate stuff well, and naturally enough the selection of what to publish in translation is made with an eye toward how the international readership will react.

681 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:58:21am

re: #667 Spenser (with an S)

Here's what I did. I bought a very big bottle of the anti-lice shampoo. I combed through and nit-picked the entire head-and threw the linens and the towels into the washer. You can use just a dryer-for a 1/2 hour, you don't need to wash everything. Disinfect the comb and brush with some of the shampoo. Wash your hands with soap and some of the shampoo afterwards.

Make sure the kid who has it doesn't share any linens, hats, brushes or towels with the others. I would do a round of 'pro-active' shampoo on the other kids-if you saw one nit especially. You might even do it on yourself and your wife just in case and look at each other's scalps.

This was the best advice: change the children's pillowcase EVERY NIGHT after doing the nit-picking. Repeat the shampoo after 3-4 days, not after a week as it says on the bottle. Continue the nit-picking manually-the combs don't work very well.

After another few days, another shampoo.

If you want, supplement with a 'smothering' after a shampoo, using baby oil (we didn't have to do this).

The most important things are new pillow cases-stopping the spread to other kids, shampooing and tenacious nit-picking by hand and washing hands also with the shampoo.

682 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:58:33am

re: #679 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Yemen embassy attack: Looks like the Mennonites are off the suspect list

The Amish are still prime suspects... the bombers had beards.

683 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #615 realwest

Stay strong, buddy.

684 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:59:03am
685 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:59:14am
686 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:59:27am

re: #340 jsk1121

Good morning Lizards, hope you've already been made aware that Hillary is refusing to appear at an anti-Iran protest because Palin will be there. How's that for the Dems' claim of unity?

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

meow

687 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:59:42am

all this talk and my head is itchy now...hehehe

688 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 6:59:45am

#451 eon

Apologize for NOT quoting your great post...Not your fault...I just got a tad wordy, in reponse, as I was told..."Post to long".

I'm in complete agreement, eon.

As to you paying that gas price, WE (this part of Tennessee) had a gouger gas station operator, that was charging $6.60 for premium. Trick screw was...That is all he claimed he had...Premium.

If it is allowed to shoot looters, the same should be in effect for gougers.

If and when Obama loses "racist" will be the focus of the Dem's. It will be spread far and wide, that America is a "racist" nation. The disseminations of that word. The MSM.

Pelosi and friends, as in the most Honorable, Charles Rangel (yeah, he sure is) passing a 'political energy bill', just for an election slogan, is despicable, cowardly and UN-American.

The Democrats, as they have in the past, sullied the House of Representatives and wasted OUR tax dollars doing so. 'They' seem to have missed the point, that the space 'they' occupy, is the People's House, NOT theirs.

689 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:00:08am
690 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:00:23am

Maureen Dowd is an elitist pig!

I sautéed myself in Sarahville last week.

I wandered through the Wal-Mart, which seemed almost as large as Wasilla, a town that is a soulless strip mall without sidewalks set beside a soulful mountain and lake.

Wal-Mart has all the doodads that Sarah must need in her career as a sportsman — Remingtons and “torture tested” riflescopes, game bags for caribou, machines that imitate rabbits and young deer and coyotes to draw your quarry in so you can shoot it, and machines to squish cows into beef jerky.

691 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:00:41am
692 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:00:51am

re: #685 Typicalwhitey

Hmmm. Good one. Threadable IMHO.

693 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:01:17am

re: #667 Spenser (with an S)

Do you remember any of the advice? It all sounds so contradictory. "They are people pests, not house pests, so don't spray the furniture" "Oh, but the eggs can live for a month without human warmth" Either they're superbugs just lying dormant in wait to jump onto your neck or they're easily removed by washing clothes and vacuuming the house. I do believe the fine-tooth combing every day should be the most decisive solution.

I remember all of the advice, since I gave most of it :)

DO spray the furniture, the pillows and the mattresses - after you have thoroughly vacuumed them. Repeat in one week.

It is vital that you treat everyone in the house and wash EVERYTHING - or bag it up for a full two weeks. That means all of the bedding, the sofa cushions, all of the stuffed toys . . . . . probably most convenient to haul it all down to the laundrymat. Use high dryer heat wherever you can - that will kill the eggs.

Either sterilize every comb and brush in the house by boiling them in water for 5 minutes or give the lot of them the old heave ho and buy new.

Haircuts are not necessary, but make it much easier to pick nits. If you use RID you do not "need" to pick the nits, but public health laws in all states require that your kids not attend school if they have nits . . . . if you decide to pick nits, ditch the comb and use your thumb and forefinger to scrape the nits off the hair shaft.

Repeat everything in 7 days. (Leave anything you have washed but don't need tied up in plastic bags so you don't have to wash it again!)

694 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:02:10am
695 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:03:10am

re: #684 Kenneth

All I have at this point is a string of curse words for 0bama and the DNC.

696 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #665 BlueCanuck

The New Socialist Man will be left on the trash heap of history. He will be out bred by the other classes of man.

The New Socialist Man is a drone, a robot, a tool to be used.

The New Socialist Man is something other than a Human Being.

697 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:03:45am

re: #630 looking closely

McCain doesn't have "clean hands" here, as I believe he's also taken money from both (though a signficantly lesser amount).

The list is bi-partisan, but McCain is way down the list.
In the last ten years Barry is the number two cash recipient, right brhind Dodd. He managd that in just two years

698 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:03:50am

re: #667 Spenser (with an S)

Take care using RID or any other toxic measure. Be sure to only use luke warm to cool water when washing the scalp.

699 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:04:06am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

You must fight the good fight, RW. You just MUST. Easy for me to say, I know. Everyone here, will assist in your fight.

700 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:04:13am
701 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:04:24am

re: #685 Typicalwhitey

MUST READ!

In a long interview with the pan-Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat, Zebari says: "Obama asked me why, in view of the closeness of a change of administration, we were hurrying the signing of this special agreement, and why we did not wait until the coming of the new administation next year and agree on some issues and matters."

Becuase we are trying to win a war not a ****** political campaign.

702 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:05:25am

re: #679 Occasional Reader

I always suspect the Quakers. First choice.

Honestly. /you can trust me, I'm Joe Isuzu.

703 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:05:30am

re: #699 Elcid

You must fight the good fight, RW. You just MUST. Easy for me to say, I know. Everyone here, will assist in your fight.

Roger that. Anything to be done from Texas, I'm in.

704 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:05:47am
705 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:06:06am

re: #615 realwest

Not good news from my oncologist, I'm afraid - I'll try to get back with y'all later on.

CRAP!

706 astronmr20  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:06:09am

re: #684 Kenneth

New Ad Slams Obama For Attempting to Stall US Iraq Withdrawal

Yes!

Now we just need to get the McCain people to come down hard on Obama's ACORN ties. As far as the facts go, it's a slam dunk.

707 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:06:11am

re: #685 Typicalwhitey

MUST READ!


Charles?

Is this worthy of a thread?

708 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:06:15am

re: #702 lawhawk

lawhawk-you idjit-it was the Mossad.

709 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:07:23am

re: #689 Ojoe

We can always count on you to provide a reason to smile, slow down, and enjoy the moment with those photos. Thanks!

710 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:07:33am

re: #690 Sharmuta

Maureen Dowd is an elitist pig!

Try not to let your jealousy at Palin's success show too much, Maureen.

My wife has always told me how mean women are to each other. Here it is, played on the national public scene.

711 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:07:53am

re: #694 ploome hineni

she is a scrawney post modern single lonley barren woman, whose life revolves around her nasty tongue and her Jimmy Choos

She is a frustrated spinster, who has nothing to point to, but her hateful columns.

712 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:08:21am

Good morning all Lizards and lizardettes, Lizardot and Lizardim. I'm happy that Hollywood is so Obama'd, these days. The reaction to this ought to give McCain and Palin another point or two bounce.

Last night on Fox, Pat Cadell (sp?) a democratic party consultant, said that Obama's campaign is making huge mistakes by critcizing Palin's experience (bringing into contrast Obama's lack of experience) and by slamming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, also pointing out that Obama got scads of dough from those two companies.

713 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:08:37am

Thank you all for your help and sorry for all the itchy scalps this talk causes. I love this place. Health info, political critique and recipes for dinner all in the same forum!

714 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:09:17am

re: #713 Spenser (with an S)

no problem....good luck kiddo

715 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:09:30am

re: #688 Elcid

If it is allowed to shoot looters, the same should be in effect for gougers.

Um, slight distinction there. Looters are trying to steal something that isn't theirs; "gougers" are trying to sell something they own. Your solution is not to buy from them.

Are you sure you want to go down the path of having people shot for "economic crimes"? That idea has been associated with some rather... interesting political regimes in the past.

716 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:10:23am

re: #697 opnion

The list is bi-partisan, but McCain is way down the list.
In the last ten years Barry is the number two cash recipient, right brhind Dodd. He managd that in just two years


That fact is hurting Obama in a major way. The MSM hate to report on it, but have no choice.

717 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:10:45am

re: #714 kawfytawk

Your avatar made me smile...I think we're twins.

718 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:10:48am

re: #646 Spider Mensch

I never liked babs streisand, but I really disliked her after she took a wonderful Pat Conroy novel "The Prince of Tides" and did a movie hatchet job on it. A wonderful Novel with complex characters that she turned into a self cheese cloth filtered homage to her own ego. i can't stand her.

/rant off

i love that book too. she really did wreck it w/ a screenplay that was all abt. trying to make her look attractive. an impossible task as she is a nasty person on the inside. someone needs to tell these people that no amt. of 'soft lighting' can hide that kind of ugliness.

719 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:11:55am

re: #703 cliffster

Roger that. Anything to be done from Texas, I'm in.

This part of Tennessee is in. We have some strong battlers here...One named Sam (by circuitous route)...think they named a city after him...lol. Another one or two, went down at the Alamo.

All must get RW's mind moving forward...and not dwell on the hand he has been dealt. Tough to do...but....

720 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:11:57am

re: #717 scottishbuzzsaw

at the very least...kindred spirits :O)

721 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:12:28am

In regards to the bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Yemen, the A.ssociated with Islamic terrorist P.ress calls them "suspected militants".

Must be those Amish again.

Who the f#$% else would it be, ever!

The A.P. truly is the A.ssociated with Islamic terrorist P.ress!

No wonder that many are dropping their contracts with the Islamic terrorists best friend.

722 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:12:36am
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

On this day in 1787, the Constitution was signed by the delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

723 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:12:45am

re: #646 Spider Mensch

I never liked babs streisand, but I really disliked her after she took a wonderful Pat Conroy novel "The Prince of Tides" and did a movie hatchet job on it. A wonderful Novel with complex characters that she turned into a self cheese cloth filtered homage to her own ego. i can't stand her.

/rant off

Testify, brother. She made an absolute hash of the book. Even Nick Nolte doing a reasonably good job couldn't even begin to save that movie.

724 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:13:07am

re: #710 cliffster

Your wife is correct. And I don't think Maureen has any idea how elitist her article paints her. She obviously has an issue with Wal-Mart. That's ok- according to Rasmussen, she should:

McCain leads 58% to 38% among those who regularly shop at Wal-Mart

725 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:13:51am

re: #706 astronmr20

Now we just need to get the McCain people to come down hard on Obama's ACORN ties. As far as the facts go, it's a slam dunk.

Yes, they need to point out the increasing number of illegal voter registrations that the Dems are aquiring through ACORN.

726 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:13:57am

re: #685 Typicalwhitey

MUST READ!

Interesting though, when I go to the Post online I cannot find this story!

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

727 kawfytawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:14:33am

bbialw

728 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:14:52am

re: #646 Spider Mensch

self cheese cloth filtered homage to her own ego

Ohgawd that's funny!

729 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:15:38am

How much does it cost to buy two minutes worth of air time?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

And speaking of babs:

Later, Obama appeared at a $250-a-person fundraiser with singer-actress Barbra Streisand. She ran through bits of songs, but did not sing entire numbers, for about 15 minutes.

What a rip off!

730 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:15:38am

re: #724 Sharmuta

Your wife is correct. And I don't think Maureen has any idea how elitist her article paints her. She obviously has an issue with Wal-Mart. That's ok- according to Rasmussen, she should:

That's good news.. tried to park at WalMart lately?

731 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:15:38am

re: #722 JCM


On this day in 1787, the Constitution was signed by the delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

I'm sure the Congress is proud, what with their below 9% approval rating and all.

732 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:15:39am

US official: Up to 5 explosions at Yemen embassy
By MATTHEW LEE – 54 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The deadly bombings outside the American embassy in Yemen Wednesday were carefully orchestrated, with sniper fire and some attackers apparently dressed as soldiers, a senior U.S. official said. The White House called the attack a reminder of the danger from "violent extremists both at home and abroad."

As many as five explosions struck the embassy, and Yemeni authorities who first responded were ambushed by snipers, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe internal Bush administration briefings.

The official said all American personnel are safe and accounted for. One locally employed embassy security guard was killed in the attack, as well as four Yemeni troops guarding the embassy and five other people, the official said.

734 JustMyView  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:16:29am

re: #630 looking closely

McCain doesn't have "clean hands" here, as I believe he's also taken money from both (though a signficantly lesser amount).

McCain has received fewer direct contributions than Obama, but his people have lobbied on behalf of the (former) GSEs extensively

At least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, netting at least $12.3 million in fees over the past nine years

For the campaigns to be trying to nail each other on this is "pot-kettle" stuff. Better to look to the future.

735 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:17:42am

re: #723 Occasional Reader

Testify, brother. She made an absolute hash of the book. Even Nick Nolte doing a reasonably good job couldn't even begin to save that movie.

I really like her singing, but not her movies, with one exeception, What's Up, Doc? Otherwise, Papa doesn't really care.

736 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:17:43am

This just in:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday is unchanged with John McCain attracting 48% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 47%

737 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:17:51am

re: #682 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Don't leave out the Hutterites, dang nab it! They do the beard thing too, ya know...

738 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:17:59am

re: #731 republic

I'm sure the Congress is proud, what with their below 9% approval rating and all.

I be more'n happy for a little tar an feather party on the Capital steps. Most on the hill don't have much regard of that document any more.

739 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:18:08am

re: #733 Typicalwhitey

If Obama has no problem with an active lobbyist working for his running mate, then that strongly suggests that Obama has been a hypocrite all along on lobbyists.

Bidens own son and brother were activly lobbying Biden, while their activities of that time are now under federal investigation for fraud.

740 lurking faith  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:18:09am

re: #648 looking closely
That's a very interesting op-ed, and I suspect is fairly accurate in its analysis of Obama's mindset. My only quibble with it is that regardless of whether Obama intends to drag the US towards losing a war, and regardless of whether he even understands that this war matters to our security, his actions are still illegal and still (at a minimum) borderline treasonous. He is putting his own personal interests before the interests of the country, and attempting to undermine POTUS's foreign policy objectives in time of war.

Whether he thinks it would be better to do things his way is totally beside the point. It's not his call to make (at least not yet; and I hope not ever).

741 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:18:23am

re: #733 Typicalwhitey

If Obama has no problem with an active lobbyist working for his running mate, then that strongly suggests that Obama has been a hypocrite all along on lobbyists.

Ohferchrissakes! Joe Biden's SON is a lobbyist. Or at least he was until he resigned from his job last week.

742 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:18:40am

re: #715 Occasional Reader

Um, slight distinction there. Looters are trying to steal something that isn't theirs; "gougers" are trying to sell something they own. Your solution is not to buy from them.

Are you sure you want to go down the path of having people shot for "economic crimes"? That idea has been associated with some rather... interesting political regimes in the past.

Geez, OK...lemme see...Nazi of me, or is it Stalinist/Maoist? If anyone here wanted that, it would have been accomplished.

To ease your mind OR, that is exactly what occured...Shunned and called out by the local media.

743 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:19:18am

re: #738 JCM

I be more'n happy for a little tar an feather party on the Capital steps. Most on the hill don't have much regard of that document any more.

I agree.

The tar would certainly slow Nancy Pelalegosi's blinking down.

744 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:19:33am

re: #729 Sharmuta

How much does it cost to buy two minutes worth of air time?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

And speaking of babs:


What a rip off!

Personally, I'd pay her NOT to sing.

745 3 wood  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:20:15am

In early trading the DOW is down about 165 points.

The damage continues...

746 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:20:25am

re: #743 republic

I agree.

The tar would certainly slow Nancy Pelalegosi's blinking down.

That skin is so tight I think the tar would slid right off........

747 David Simon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:21:19am

How much overwrought prose can a writer cram into two short paragraphs? One Thomas Frank shows us how it's done:

There is simply no way to blame this disaster, as Republicans used to do, on labor unions or over-regulation. No, this is the conservatives' beloved financial system doing what comes naturally. Freed from the intrusive meddling of government, just as generations of supply-siders and entrepreneurial exuberants demanded it be, the American financial establishment has proceeded to cheat and deceive and beggar itself -- and us -- to the edge of Armageddon. It is as though Wall Street was run by a troupe of historical re-enactors determined to stage all the classic panics of the 19th century.

By the way, this is the same system the Republicans would still apparently like to put in charge of Social Security. The same system that is minting millionaire CEOs, that is holding the line on wages, and that we will be bailing out for years.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

I believe in capitalism and free markets. I have to admit though, there is one thing I am struggling with: At what point does Hooveresque insouciance lead to kooks like Frank being taken seriously - and to FDR nanny-statism?

748 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:21:39am

re: #741 galloping granny

Ohferchrissakes! Joe Biden's SON is a lobbyist. Or at least he was until he resigned from his job last week.

Right, but Bidens son and brother, who are both being charged with fraud in their hedge fund affairs, were activly lobbying Biden, while alleged fraud was being committed.

Of course, fraud has now become acceptable for Democrats.

Rangel
Reid
Dodd
Jefferson

et all.

749 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:21:55am

Must Read:

Walid Shoebat: Fake "Former Terrorist"?

This is NUTS.

Read the story from the Jerusalem Post.

750 Spider Mensch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:22:02am

re: #718 nyc redneck

i love that book too. she really did wreck it w/ a screenplay that was all abt. trying to make her look attractive. an impossible task as she is a nasty person on the inside. someone needs to tell these people that no amt. of 'soft lighting' can hide that kind of ugliness.

yup. in the novel the character Lowenstein is of the Demi Moore/Teri hatcher mold...attractive, dark haired mid 30's to 40...but babs produced the hatchet job so she figured she could play the part...lol..talk about "lipstick on a pig"...lol..and a 55 year old trying to play a mid to late 30's role..not enough filters in the world..lol

751 rhino2  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:22:20am

re: #715 Occasional Reader

Um, slight distinction there. Looters are trying to steal something that isn't theirs; "gougers" are trying to sell something they own. Your solution is not to buy from them.

Are you sure you want to go down the path of having people shot for "economic crimes"? That idea has been associated with some rather... interesting political regimes in the past.

Not to mention, isn't the point of retail to charge as much for your product as people will pay, while still being competitive with other products? There are many examples of this, the recent video card market is one, where the GTX280 debuted at $650, then fell to $400 2 weeks later, due to the release of the 4800 series of ATI cards. If nVidia can still turn a profit on a $400 GTX280, then one could argue they were simply gouging at $650, because there wasn't competition, and thats what people would pay.

I understand the argument when it comes to necessities like gas and water, and I agree that gouging people on these things is unethical, but I disagree that it should be illegal. The people who own the gasoline and the water are more than welcome to charge whatever they want to for it, the counter-balance being competition, and whatever character/integrity the owners may have/not have. There were a few gas stations here that raised the price to upwards of $5 a gallon, but there were also stations that didn't, and guess which one I bought my gas from?

752 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:22:29am

Oh Crap:

Walid Sheobat: Fake "Former Terrorist".
Now with LINKEAGE not BOLDAGE.

753 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:23:11am

re: #742 Elcid

OK...lemme see...Nazi of me, or is it Stalinist/Maoist?

More the latter.

If anyone here wanted that, it would have been accomplished.

So you didn't commit murder... well, that's good, I guess.

754 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:23:26am

re: #746 JCM

That skin is so tight I think the tar would slid right off........

Not if you caught her before her daily Botox treatment.

I feel the need to hurl now.

755 3 wood  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:23:26am

Now it's down 200 points.

Look out below.

756 Alouette  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:23:53am

re: #690 Sharmuta

Maureen Dowd is an elitist pig!

What an überbitch. I hope a movie is made of Sarah Palin's life, starring Catherine Zeta-Jones. It would be worth it just to read Mo-Do's review.

757 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:24:06am

re: #744 Occasional Reader

Did you see this? Hilarious!

[Link: vodpod.com...]

/Hat tip: Alouette

758 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:25:21am

re: #750 Spider Mensch

Reminds me of a Simpson's episode where Homer hires a photographer to take sexy shots of him. She shudders before troweling on vaseline to the camera lens.

759 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:25:42am

Howdy, my fellow lizards. Not much going on in the middle of Illinois yet today. While the hubby has therapy I'm at home, watching the son and trying to get a little bit of writing work done. It's not easy when LGF is here to distract me and my daughter's cat is torturing me.

So I figure the fall on the Dow today will be huge with the AIG bailout. Can someone tell me, though, WHO has the authority to give such huge sums of money to a single corporation on behalf of the government? It seems to me it would require a signature from the president.

760 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:26:06am

re: #750 Spider Mensch

yup. in the novel the character Lowenstein is of the Demi Moore/Teri hatcher mold...attractive, dark haired mid 30's to 40...but babs produced the hatchet job so she figured she could play the part...lol..talk about "lipstick on a pig"...lol..and a 55 year old trying to play a mid to late 30's role..not enough filters in the world..lol


I am in total agreement. Book is one of my favorite reads...the movie totally sucked.

761 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:26:17am

re: #747 David Simon

How much overwrought prose can a writer cram into two short paragraphs? One Thomas Frank shows us how it's done:

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

I believe in capitalism and free markets. I have to admit though, there is one thing I am struggling with: At what point does Hooveresque insouciance lead to kooks like Frank being taken seriously - and to FDR nanny-statism?

I don't see it as so much a hands off regulatory attitude that was the cause. But the Federal gov't being quasi involved, with Fannie & Freddy. The push to loosen up lending to get more people into homes. It was the gov't trying to meddle, manipulate and direct certain markets that started the avalanche.

Then when the village in the valley get's buried, gov't is standing on top of the ridge, look around saying "who? me?"

762 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:26:38am

i listened to talk radio all day, yesterday. it was amazing how many women callers were so enthusiastic abt. sarah palin. you could feel it in their voices. a sense of real excitement.

the women who don't like her, are lost and confused. and now angry that she speaks for so many of us. they have a twisted idea of what it is to be a feminist. it must be driving them nuts that sarah is the focus of so much positive attention and rallying so many women in this country.

763 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:26:43am

re: #734 JustMyView

For the campaigns to be trying to nail each other on this is "pot-kettle" stuff. Better to look to the future.

I think that Obama's very, very close, chummy personal relationship with the unrepentant murderer/terrorist William Ayers should be given plenty of light between now and November.

764 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:26:47am

Hey, hi again all y'all. Well the long and short of it is that the tests indicate that my prostate cancer has become MUCH more aggressive - won't bother boring you with the details.
My oncologist is going to call a radiation oncologist and, possibly, a surgeon (even though I'm apparently NOT a good surgical risk for reasons not worth going into here, but related to the metastasizing nature of my prostate cancer).
To say that I'm stressed out would be a MAJOR LEAGUE understatement. Mostly cause apparently all I can do is sit and wait for the phone to ring. Crap.
Anyway, I'm gonna stay on LGF (except for phone calls or e-mails which I don't expect to get for a while) so..............where were you guys, anyway?!

765 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:27:28am

re: #755 3 wood
Hey my friend - please check your e-mail!

766 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:27:58am

re: #752 WriterMom


LOL. Bolder and Wiser, too.

767 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:28:20am

re: #764 realwest

{ { {real} } }

768 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:28:24am

re: #759 vxbush

Howdy, my fellow lizards. Not much going on in the middle of Illinois yet today. While the hubby has therapy I'm at home, watching the son and trying to get a little bit of writing work done. It's not easy when LGF is here to distract me and my daughter's cat is torturing me.

So I figure the fall on the Dow today will be huge with the AIG bailout. Can someone tell me, though, WHO has the authority to give such huge sums of money to a single corporation on behalf of the government? It seems to me it would require a signature from the president.

I don't know enough about it all to really comment, although this current Congress, with its below 9% approval rating, seems to do whatever it wants.

769 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:28:53am

re: #734 JustMyView

For the campaigns to be trying to nail each other on this is "pot-kettle" stuff. Better to look to the future.

That is not the same as McCain getting cash.
Obama has a real interesting relationship with real estate people (Slumlord Rezko) & mortgage lenders. Much better issue than those (not you) that claim that Sarah Plain uses her Down baby as a prop. Can you imagine if she hid the infant?

770 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:02am

re: #764 realwest
So sorry to hear, real...thoughts and prayers and with you always...

771 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:03am

re: #764 realwest

I'm sorry to hear that, real.

772 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:13am

re: #764 realwest

Hey, hi again all y'all. Well the long and short of it is that the tests indicate that my prostate cancer has become MUCH more aggressive - won't bother boring you with the details.
My oncologist is going to call a radiation oncologist and, possibly, a surgeon (even though I'm apparently NOT a good surgical risk for reasons not worth going into here, but related to the metastasizing nature of my prostate cancer).
To say that I'm stressed out would be a MAJOR LEAGUE understatement. Mostly cause apparently all I can do is sit and wait for the phone to ring. Crap.
Anyway, I'm gonna stay on LGF (except for phone calls or e-mails which I don't expect to get for a while) so..............where were you guys, anyway?!

{REAL} More prayers for you, friend.

Today is Constitution day.

773 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:28am

re: #764 realwest

{realwest}

Praying that your doctors whip that cancer.

774 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:32am

re: #764 realwest

Prayin'. For a Lizard.

775 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:39am

re: #764 realwest

Courage

776 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:00am

re: #764 realwest

We're hanging in with you.

777 David Simon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:14am

re: #759 vxbush

So I figure the fall on the Dow today will be huge with the AIG bailout. Can someone tell me, though, WHO has the authority to give such huge sums of money to a single corporation on behalf of the government? It seems to me it would require a signature from the president.

Nope. The Fed is self-funded. The AIG bailout is one of its investments.

778 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:16am

re: #764 realwest

Hey, hi again all y'all. Well the long and short of it is that the tests indicate that my prostate cancer has become MUCH more aggressive - won't bother boring you with the details.
My oncologist is going to call a radiation oncologist and, possibly, a surgeon (even though I'm apparently NOT a good surgical risk for reasons not worth going into here, but related to the metastasizing nature of my prostate cancer).
To say that I'm stressed out would be a MAJOR LEAGUE understatement. Mostly cause apparently all I can do is sit and wait for the phone to ring. Crap.
Anyway, I'm gonna stay on LGF (except for phone calls or e-mails which I don't expect to get for a while) so..............where were you guys, anyway?!

Many prayers, sir. Check my email to you.

779 Knitwit  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:24am

re: #625 reloadingisnotahobby

Amen.

780 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:25am

re: #764 realwest

Hey, hi again all y'all. Well the long and short of it is that the tests indicate that my prostate cancer has become MUCH more aggressive - won't bother boring you with the details.
My oncologist is going to call a radiation oncologist and, possibly, a surgeon (even though I'm apparently NOT a good surgical risk for reasons not worth going into here, but related to the metastasizing nature of my prostate cancer).
To say that I'm stressed out would be a MAJOR LEAGUE understatement. Mostly cause apparently all I can do is sit and wait for the phone to ring. Crap.
Anyway, I'm gonna stay on LGF (except for phone calls or e-mails which I don't expect to get for a while) so..............where were you guys, anyway?!

I'm praying for you realwest and I'll ask my wife to, also.

781 Alouette  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:44am

re: #757 Sharmuta

Did you see this? Hilarious!

[Link: vodpod.com...]

/Hat tip: Alouette

I can watch that over and over. Johnny's got some mad skills!

Here's another one, McCain plays "Dave"

782 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:49am

re: #757 Sharmuta

Did you see this? Hilarious!

[Link: vodpod.com...]

/Hat tip: Alouette

Nice!

783 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:49am

re: #764 realwest

Thoughts are with you. Don't give up, you can beat this.

784 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:30:59am

Tennessee investigating gas price gouging

"We are concerned with the spike in gasoline prices in the state and Knoxville, in particular, where gasoline prices are reported to be among the highest in the nation," Attorney General Bob Cooper said in a statement. "There is a difference between profits and profiteering."

Under Tennessee law, unreasonably raising the price of essential goods, commodities or services in direct response to a natural disaster here or in another state is price gouging. Under state law, price gougers can be subject to a $1,000 civil penalty for each violation. Price gouging is also a criminal offense in Tennessee."

Biz Journals/Nashville

785 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:31:01am

re: #764 realwest

Hey realwest - that sounds like the fight is on. I haven't been around here for years and years like some of these other guys (and gals), but I'm praying for you and pulling for you, and if there's anything that I can do from Austin, Texas, you let me know.

786 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:31:11am

re: #777 David Simon

Nope. The Fed is self-funded. The AIG bailout is one of its investments.

Aha! A lizard who seems to know.

Okay, so is this bailout a loan, a purchase agreement, or what? Is there an article out there that explains how this works without assuming you already have a financial degree?

787 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:31:13am

re: #775 DeafDog
WHAT?! In the hours of my distress you quote Dan Rather to me?! Hey, I thought you was my friend!

788 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:31:53am

re: #764 realwest

{realwest}

789 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:32:07am

re: #764 realwest

Easy for me to say but hang in.

790 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:32:38am

re: #787 realwest

WHAT?! In the hours of my distress you quote Dan Rather to me?! Hey, I thought you was my friend!

Well, think of it this way: That's probably the worst thing you're going to hear, after getting the news today.

/always a silver lining

791 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:32:38am

Real Clear Politics has the 2 minute 0bama ad.

What a snoozer. He'll put people to sleep with this. Oh- and he's a hypocrite.

792 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:32:40am

re: #769 opnion

That is not the same as McCain getting cash.
Obama has a real interesting relationship with real estate people (Slumlord Rezko) & mortgage lenders. Much better issue than those (not you) that claim that Sarah Plain uses her Down baby as a prop. Can you imagine if she hid the infant?

Don't forget the Fannie Mae big wig who was part of Obama's team, until word of the impending doom for Fannie Mae came about.

Then, Obama threw him under the bus.

793 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:32:54am

re: #764 realwest

{realwest} holding you in my thoughts and prayers.

794 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:33:25am

re: #650 astronmr20

Please forgive my ignorance,

... but why exactly do we have an ebmassy in Yemen? Could we not save some $ and put up a Cole memorial or something?

To issue visas so they can all come here. Next question?
/$ please

795 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:33:28am

Good morning fine lizards.
Up on Yahoo this AM...(DNC media)

An article dripping with anti-McCain/Palin bias.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

See - even though Palin didn't do anything wrong - it's a cover up!

796 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:33:34am

Palin Releases Documents in "Troopergate" Investigation

Last night, the McCain campaign released documents to show that Gov. Palin did not fire her political appointee, Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, because he refused to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, Gov. Palin's former brother-in-law.

[snip]

Rather, Palin's lawyer writes, the decision was "based on [Monegan's] refusal to execute her Administration's policy on fiscal and budget matters, a refusal that between late 2007 and the middle of 2008 blossomed into outright insubordination."

[snip]

* 12/9/07: Monegan holds a press conference with Hollis French to push his own budget plan.
* 1/29/08: Palin’s staffers have to rework their procedures to keep Monegan from bypassing normal channels for budget requests.
* February 2008: Monegan publicly releases a letter he wrote to Palin supporting a project she vetoed.
* June 26, 2008: Monegan bypassed the governor’s office entirely and contacted Alaska’s Congressional delegation to gain funding for a project.

[snip]

Monegan's connection with Alaska state senator Hollis French is one of the reasons the McCain campaign contends the investigation is tainted.

[snip]

A few days ago, the McCain campaign sent out this picture of French at an Obama event

[snip]

797 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:34:46am

Get this , Obama's $28,000 per plate dinner for the GED alumnai Hollywood types, is not all. They had to spend more to be tortured by Babbs.

798 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:34:50am

re: #796 JCM

Just a thought on this. Notice how she and McCain's campaign bring out the paperwork to prove their position, INSTEAD of whining, moping, and claiming that the opposition is asking questions that should instead be about issues rather than negative politicking.

Lovely.

799 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:35:17am

re: #688 Elcid

#451 eon

Apologize for NOT quoting your great post...Not your fault...I just got a tad wordy, in reponse, as I was told..."Post to long".

I'm in complete agreement, eon.

As to you paying that gas price, WE (this part of Tennessee) had a gouger gas station operator, that was charging $6.60 for premium. Trick screw was...That is all he claimed he had...Premium.

If it is allowed to shoot looters, the same should be in effect for gougers.

If and when Obama loses "racist" will be the focus of the Dem's. It will be spread far and wide, that America is a "racist" nation. The disseminations of that word. The MSM.

Pelosi and friends, as in the most Honorable, Charles Rangel (yeah, he sure is) passing a 'political energy bill', just for an election slogan, is despicable, cowardly and UN-American.

The Democrats, as they have in the past, sullied the House of Representatives and wasted OUR tax dollars doing so. 'They' seem to have missed the point, that the space 'they' occupy, is the People's House, NOT theirs.

How do you define 'gouger'?

800 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:36:16am

re: #764 realwest

Hey, hi again all y'all. Well the long and short of it is that the tests indicate that my prostate cancer has become MUCH more aggressive - won't bother boring you with the details.
My oncologist is going to call a radiation oncologist and, possibly, a surgeon (even though I'm apparently NOT a good surgical risk for reasons not worth going into here, but related to the metastasizing nature of my prostate cancer).
To say that I'm stressed out would be a MAJOR LEAGUE understatement. Mostly cause apparently all I can do is sit and wait for the phone to ring. Crap.
Anyway, I'm gonna stay on LGF (except for phone calls or e-mails which I don't expect to get for a while) so..............where were you guys, anyway?!

That simply flat out sucks.
I hope you don't mind my keeping you on my prayer list.

801 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:36:34am

re: #792 republic

Don't forget the Fannie Mae big wig who was part of Obama's team, until word of the impending doom for Fannie Mae came about.

Then, Obama threw him under the bus.

With all of Obamas many flaws, he is just a Chicago Machine Hack.
You do not get Richie Daley promoting you if you are a performer.

802 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:36:43am

re: #787 realwest

WHAT?! In the hours of my distress you quote Dan Rather to me?! Hey, I thought you was my friend!

Yikes! Please don't think about dickhead dan....that was not my intent at all. I was trying to be Churchillian....

Without courage all virtues lose their meaning.

Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.

Guess I missed the mark.

803 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:36:43am

re: #759 vxbush

So I figure the fall on the Dow today will be huge with the AIG bailout.

Actually I'm a little confused as to why the Dow is falling now. The market knew yesterday that AIG was in big, big trouble; and it ROSE dramatically late in the session on news that the government might bail it out. Whatever else you can say about a government bailout, it removes risk from the market (at least in the short term), and the market usually likes that. So given that the bailout was confirmed in the evening, I find it puzzling that the Dow would fall this morning.

804 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:37:22am

re: #797 opnion

Get this , Obama's $28,000 per plate dinner for the GED alumnai Hollywood types, is not all. They had to spend more to be tortured by Babbs.

For 15 minutes, and she didn't even sing entire songs!

805 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:37:46am

re: #798 vxbush

Just a thought on this. Notice how she and McCain's campaign bring out the paperwork to prove their position, INSTEAD of whining, moping, and claiming that the opposition is asking questions that should instead be about issues rather than negative politicking.

Lovely.

I think trooper tasergate is going be one of those that will provide a lovely smack down on libs. They can bring it up, but with the bullet points of the case, just *whack* and they'll be left stammering... as usual.

806 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:37:52am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Actually I'm a little confused as to why the Dow is falling now. The market knew yesterday that AIG was in big, big trouble; and it ROSE dramatically late in the session on news that the government might bail it out. Whatever else you can say about a government bailout, it removes risk from the market (at least in the short term), and the market usually likes that. So given that the bailout was confirmed in the evening, I find it puzzling that the Dow would fall this morning.

Maybe someone finally added up all the money going into bailing out the various investment and mortgage firms?

807 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:38:04am

re: #796 JCM

Palin Releases Documents in "Troopergate" Investigation


[snip]


Heh.

When any Democrat fires anybody who serves at the pleasure of that particular person, not a word is said, all is well.

When any Republican fires somebody who serves at the pleasure of that person, the Democrats cry, INVESTIGATION!

Democrats really are twits.

808 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:38:36am

Realwest, you're going to beat this thing. I've got a feeling.

809 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:38:51am

re: #804 Sharmuta

For 15 minutes, and she didn't even sing entire songs!


I swear if we pipe in Babbs 24x7 at Gitmo, they will be begging for mercy & spilling their guts.

810 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:39:11am

re: #808 Occasional Reader

Realwest, you're going to beat this thing. I've got a feeling.

you read my mind.

811 DeafDog  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:39:13am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Actually I'm a little confused as to why the Dow is falling now. The market knew yesterday that AIG was in big, big trouble; and it ROSE dramatically late in the session on news that the government might bail it out. Whatever else you can say about a government bailout, it removes risk from the market (at least in the short term), and the market usually likes that. So given that the bailout was confirmed in the evening, I find it puzzling that the Dow would fall this morning.

The market started off down yesterday, too. I would not be surprised to see a reversal later today.

812 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:39:23am

re: #764 realwest

Hey, hi again all y'all. Well the long and short of it is that the tests indicate that my prostate cancer has become MUCH more aggressive - won't bother boring you with the details.
My oncologist is going to call a radiation oncologist and, possibly, a surgeon (even though I'm apparently NOT a good surgical risk for reasons not worth going into here, but related to the metastasizing nature of my prostate cancer).
To say that I'm stressed out would be a MAJOR LEAGUE understatement. Mostly cause apparently all I can do is sit and wait for the phone to ring. Crap.
Anyway, I'm gonna stay on LGF (except for phone calls or e-mails which I don't expect to get for a while) so..............where were you guys, anyway?!

My prayers are with you. I have a few friends who now are getting diagnosed with various cancers, including prostate. My BIL is on a clinical trial for liver cancer, and it seems to be working. Hang in there. There's hope.

813 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:39:42am

re: #808 Occasional Reader

Realwest, you're going to beat this thing. I've got a feeling.

Damn right!

814 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:40:24am

re: #804 Sharmuta

For 15 minutes, and she didn't even sing entire songs!

And who in their right mind would actually want to see her?

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

815 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:40:42am

re: #809 opnion

I swear if we pipe in Babbs 24x7 at Gitmo, they will be begging for mercy & spilling their guts.

Ahem. I think I need to make a confession here. I grew up with a sister who loved Babs and played all her records. So while I cannot stand Babs' politics, she has an amazing voice. Unfortunately, she put out a few records that were serious bombs.

I think the problem started when she began to think she was as big a star as she was. Far better to have a humble opinion of yourself, especially in Hollyweird.

816 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:40:47am

OT: I have to go to an appointment at work that may either be "coaching" or "disciplinary"-I won't know until I get there. LOL.

Sounds like a Stalinist re-education camp to me. I'll know better on Friday afternoon. Lovely.

817 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:41:34am

I appreciate all of your good thoughts and prayers my friends, thank you very much.
They are a true comfort to me, but - if y'all don't mind - I'd as soon not discuss this further than to say that I AM fighting this as best as I can and will continue to do so until I win or lose.
Now, how about that Derek Jeter, hey? Broke Lou Gherig's record for most hits in Yankee Stadium!Good thing he did it this year, since the Yankee ownership is gonna destroy the House That Ruth Built in favor of making more money.
Is NOTHING sacred anymore?!

818 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:41:55am

re: #809 opnion

I swear if we pipe in Babbs 24x7 at Gitmo, they will be begging for mercy & spilling their guts.


And that is just from looking at her.

Yikes!

819 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:42:23am

re: #809 opnion

I swear if we pipe in Babbs 24x7 at Gitmo, they will be begging for mercy & spilling their guts.

If they really wanted to torture folks at a Big ZERO fundraiser they should have brought in Yoko Ono to sing and do a striptease.

820 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:42:55am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Actually I'm a little confused as to why the Dow is falling now. The market knew yesterday that AIG was in big, big trouble; and it ROSE dramatically late in the session on news that the government might bail it out. Whatever else you can say about a government bailout, it removes risk from the market (at least in the short term), and the market usually likes that. So given that the bailout was confirmed in the evening, I find it puzzling that the Dow would fall this morning.

There's a report on housing starts this morning. Apparently, fewer new apartments and houses were built in the past month (or was it quarter?) than the previous month.

821 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:42:55am

re: #814 The Other Les

And who in their right mind would actually want to see her?

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]


I still carry the psychological scars all of these years from her singing 'People"

822 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:43:07am

re: #818 republic

And that is just from looking at her.

Yikes!

Ahem. This is cruel and horrible, but I have an ALF poster in my office. And looking at it, I'm rather struck now by the ... ahem... similarities between him and Babs.

Separated at birth?

823 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:43:10am

re: #802 DeafDog
No, you didn't miss the mark - I was just trying to inject a little (obviously very little) humor into this whole thing.
Your good wishes are appreciated very much.

824 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:43:37am

re: #816 WriterMom

OT: I have to go to an appointment at work that may either be "coaching" or "disciplinary"-I won't know until I get there. LOL.

Sounds like a Stalinist re-education camp to me. I'll know better on Friday afternoon. Lovely.


Good luck. Stay focused. It happened to me (disciplined for something I did not do). I fought it and eventually won. Eyes on the ball, and all that.

825 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:43:38am

Hi, Lizards!
Before I start reading, I just have to link this glowing tribute to your General Petraeus
here!

Its in The Times (London) - and its on the second page, the page with the top editorial comments.

Hope you like it!

826 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:43:40am

re: #817 realwest

I appreciate all of your good thoughts and prayers my friends, thank you very much.
They are a true comfort to me, but - if y'all don't mind - I'd as soon not discuss this further than to say that I AM fighting this as best as I can and will continue to do so until I win or lose.
Now, how about that Derek Jeter, hey? Broke Lou Gherig's record for most hits in Yankee Stadium!Good thing he did it this year, since the Yankee ownership is gonna destroy the House That Ruth Built in favor of making more money.
Is NOTHING sacred anymore?!

What are seats right above the dugouts going for, like $2000.00?

Youtch!

827 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:43:55am

re: #815 vxbush

I won't say Babs has a bad voice, I just don't particularly care for her style of singing. Too schmaltzy for me.

And as a person... yeesh. One anecdote, admittedly thinly-sourced (a friend who witnessed this); there was a jewelry store in middtown Manhattan that Babs liked to frequent (maybe still does) when she was in town. But when she shopped there, she insisted that the store close its doors to all the hoi polloi, so that she could shop in peace undisturbed by commoners.

828 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:06am

re: #817 realwest


Real did you see the new McCain ad yet?
Me thinks you will likey ;)

829 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:13am

re: #817 realwest

I appreciate all of your good thoughts and prayers my friends, thank you very much.
They are a true comfort to me, but - if y'all don't mind - I'd as soon not discuss this further than to say that I AM fighting this as best as I can and will continue to do so until I win or lose.
Now, how about that Derek Jeter, hey? Broke Lou Gherig's record for most hits in Yankee Stadium!Good thing he did it this year, since the Yankee ownership is gonna destroy the House That Ruth Built in favor of making more money.
Is NOTHING sacred anymore?!

Tearing down Yankee Stadium is sacrilege.... but then I felt the same way about lights on Wrigley!

DH? A Fatwa!

Wild card teams in the play offs? Reason enough for a war!

Interleague play? The barbarians have won!

830 vxbush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:21am

re: #826 republic

What are seats right above the dugouts going for, like $2000.00?

Youtch!

Are you serious? For one game, or for the whole season?

/not a baseball fan, so I don't know

831 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:34am

re: #819 The Other Les

Lucky for you I have a dose of mind bleach in front of me. In fact I probably won't remember why I responded to you. Ummmm, what was I saying again?

832 JCM  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:39am

re: #819 The Other Les

If they really wanted to torture folks at a Big ZERO fundraiser they should have brought in Yoko Ono to sing and do a striptease.

MIND BLEACH MIND BLEACH

833 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:51am

re: #817 realwest

I posted this earlier this morning...just wanted you to know that the camera caught you! ;>)

[Link: www.neatorama.com...]

834 David Simon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:44:52am

re: #761 JCM

I don't see it as so much a hands off regulatory attitude that was the cause. But the Federal gov't being quasi involved, with Fannie & Freddy. The push to loosen up lending to get more people into homes. It was the gov't trying to meddle, manipulate and direct certain markets that started the avalanche.

Then when the village in the valley get's buried, gov't is standing on top of the ridge, look around saying "who? me?"

Agreed, the government (and Bush is as guilty as anyone) pushed financial institutions to loan money to people to buy homes that they couldn't afford. But when wild speculation takes over, and even credit-worthy homeowners start treating homes like piggy-banks and lottery tickets, it's pretty clear that disaster awaits. What I'm afraid of is that if government reacts instead of acts to counter speculation, the medicine becomes worse than the disease (as in The New Deal).

835 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:04am

re: #820 Honorary Yooper

There's a report on housing starts this morning. Apparently, fewer new apartments and houses were built in the past month (or was it quarter?) than the previous month.

Well, shit, let's all pitch in an start building some houses right now. I've got a hammer, who's got a saw?

And then we'll put on a show in the barn!

836 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:08am

re: #819 The Other Les

"they should have brought in Yoko Ono to sing and do a striptease."
Ah, geeze, THAT would constitute cruel and inhuman punishment!

837 cliffster  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:27am

re: #817 realwest

Now, how about that Derek Jeter, hey? Broke Lou Gherig's record for most hits in Yankee Stadium!

How about Terrell Owens, moving into second in all time touchdown receptions?

838 Beach Lover  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:30am

{ {realwest} } hang in there, and know you have oodles of scaly friends to keep you company.
/prayers going up, too

839 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:34am

{realwest} Courage - you can beat this. Prayers still going on up, luv. *hug*

840 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:36am

re: #822 vxbush

Ahem. This is cruel and horrible, but I have an ALF poster in my office. And looking at it, I'm rather struck now by the ... ahem... similarities between him and Babs.

Separated at birth?

I think she looks like that thing in The Silence Of The Lambs.

841 lori lane  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:45am

re: #764 realwest

{Realwest} - sending prayers for strength & healing. Don't give up. xo

842 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:45:53am

re: #827 Occasional Reader

I won't say Babs has a bad voice, I just don't particularly care for her style of singing. Too schmaltzy for me.

And as a person... yeesh. One anecdote, admittedly thinly-sourced (a friend who witnessed this); there was a jewelry store in middtown Manhattan that Babs liked to frequent (maybe still does) when she was in town. But when she shopped there, she insisted that the store close its doors to all the hoi polloi, so that she could shop in peace undisturbed by commoners.

That's a definite indication that someone is afflicted with the Superior Being Syndrome.

843 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:46:02am

re: #819 The Other Les

If they really wanted to torture folks at a Big ZERO fundraiser they should have brought in Yoko Ono to sing and do a striptease.

Heh.

Yoko Ono IS "You Can Leave Your Hat On".

Gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

844 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:46:03am

re: #817 realwest