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Hitchens: Pakistan is the Problem

World | Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:04:42 am PDT

If Barack Obama means what he’s saying about Pakistan, liberals who back him had better get ready for more war: Pakistan is the problem.

Recent accounts of murderous violence in the capital cities of two of our allies, India and Afghanistan, make it appear overwhelmingly probable that the bombs were not the work of local or homegrown “insurgents” but were orchestrated by agents of the Pakistani ISI. This is a fantastically unacceptable state of affairs, which needs to be given its right name of state-sponsored terrorism. Meanwhile, and on Pakistani soil and under the very noses of its army and the ISI, the city of Quetta and the so-called Federally Administered Tribal Areas are becoming the incubating ground of a reorganized and protected al-Qaida. Sen. Barack Obama has, if anything, been the more militant of the two presidential candidates in stressing the danger here and the need to act without too much sentiment about our so-called Islamabad ally. He began using this rhetoric when it was much simpler to counterpose the “good” war in Afghanistan with the “bad” one in Iraq. Never mind that now; he is committed in advance to a serious projection of American power into the heartland of our deadliest enemy. And that, I think, is another reason why so many people are reluctant to employ truthful descriptions for the emerging Afghan-Pakistan confrontation: American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.

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1 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:05:52am

Well, duh! There is an earth shattering pronouncment. Not.

2 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:06:27am

A new dawn a new day and a new thread, then Pakistan flies over and drops guano on it.

3 joncelli  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:07:28am

The problem is supplying operations in Afghanistan. With Pakistan, we have a port (Karachi); without, we have a long, vulnerable overland route, IF we can swing it. The Pakistanis have us by the short and curlies as far as that goes, and they know it.

4 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:07:49am

it amazes me how ultimately unstable most of the world is.....

5 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:08:13am

Where are the photoshops of 0bama the war monger?

6 JSK1121  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:08:16am

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

7 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:08:42am

I doubt Barack Obama means what he’s saying about Pakistan.

8 jcm  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:09:06am

Well Obambi wants to invade........

9 joncelli  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:09:09am

re: #6 JSK1121

Bwahahaha! I'm Copper Catfish Palin! Awesome!

10 mahatma coat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:09:21am

I agree ,but think what the Obamasiah really means is we must become involved in "really serious"talks

11 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:10:25am

I've been yelled at already for saying that I think we need to get the nukes secured, let India have the Punjab and Kashmir and focus our attention on Iran so the Baluchis and Pathans can have their own viable state. More swamp draining and with nukes it doesn't get better. Must convince the thugs that nukes do not increase their security.

12 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:10:28am

re: #4 Vergeltung

Which is as it has always been.

13 kynna  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:10:49am

I'm going to take a wild gamble and suggest that Obama probably doesn't typically mean what he says. I just have a hunch.

14 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:26am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

I'd be Flex Gunship.

15 joncelli  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:36am

re: #10 mahatma coat

Yes, let's have talks with the USAF about an Arc Light mission over the tribal areas.

16 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:37am

Should have spent the last 8 years doubling the size of the Armed Forces and instead we let them shrink again.

17 mikalm  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:46am

re: #6 JSK1121

I'm "Goalie Sanka Palin"!

18 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:56am

re: #9 joncelli

Bwahahaha! I'm Copper Catfish Palin! Awesome!

Lollersz! I am "WMD Cessna Palin"

I shiite you not! how cool is that!?! I think mine wins. how can anyone top that?! :D

19 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:58am
Recent accounts of murderous violence in the capital cities of two of our allies, India and Afghanistan, make it appear overwhelmingly probable that the bombs were not the work of local or homegrown “insurgents” but were orchestrated by agents of the Pakistani ISI.

Imagine that. Who could have predicted this?
/

20 shibumi  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:11:59am
Never mind that now; he is committed in advance to a serious projection of American power into the heartland of our deadliest enemy

And by a serious projection of American power into Packistan, the Messiah really means uh...well...um...uh....well....um...uh... negotiations. Yeah, by American power he means the power to negotiate. And if that doesn't work, we'll sue Pakistan! Because when negotiations fail, litigation is guaranteed to work!

/didn't Hitchens get his Obama decoder ring yet?

21 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:12:14am

Ultimately, the problem is a 1400 year old ideology... but I digress.

22 gozza  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:12:19am

I really hope the US is using it`s most fantastic covert and secret tools to track the location of all the Paki's nukes and U235 enrichment and storage sites.

23 rsquare  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:12:21am

Uhhh...bama talking about military incursions into Pakistan.
Pakistani Military worried about incursions, starts keeping a closer eye on the border regions where we have supposedly been doing clandestine ops. for some time.
Musharraf(our only "ally") is booted from office.
Radicals getting set to seize power.
Nukes in the hands of the nuts.


Any connection?
Did Uhhh...bama give them an "inadvertent" heads up?

Enquiring minds want to know


rsquare

24 mahatma coat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:12:50am

re: #11 lifeofthemind

"but we must have an exit strategy"
{or what rational people call a will to win}

25 Vergeltung  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:12:56am

re: #12 lawhawk

Which is as it has always been.

true. except for us and the Roman Empire.

26 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:13:05am

re: #6 JSK1121

Seam Marauder Palin. I like it.

27 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:13:26am

Oh dear...I'm Fog Piles Palin...anyone have some PrepH?

28 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:13:33am

re: #7 Lawrence Schmerel

I doubt Barack Obama means what he’s saying about Pakistan.

That's what I think. Obama said this as a way to bash Bush & McCain for suppoting Iraq. He used Pakistan as a prop. His point was that we should pay attention to the 'Good War" Afghanistan & Pakistan impedes our efforts.
He has no real intention of invading Pakistan or challenging any Muslim country.

29 scott in east bay  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:14:12am

Well! I'm Fowl Overtime Palin.

Who would have guessed?

In other news, we're going to have to go into Pakiworld at some point. I just hope it's McCain who in CinC when we do. It's gonna be ugly.

30 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:15:47am
Never mind that now; he is committed in advance to a serious projection of American power into the heartland of our deadliest enemy

Hitch, that's wishful thinking.

31 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:16:47am

I read this the other day and couldn't help but see it as a Hitchens endorsement of Obama. He seems to say that Republicans can't say we are at war with Pakistan but Obama is somehow brave enough to say it.

Obama is an opportunist and will use the powers of POTUS to withdraw on all fronts in the WOT so he can focus on building a Chicago style machine domestically to rule for 1000 years.

I hope Hitchens sees that.

32 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:16:53am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Crop Schooner ... whatever that is!

:-)))

33 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:16:58am
34 snuffyword  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:17:00am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Recoil Mush Palin.

I guess it's what I feel when hunting caribou on a dogsled! LOL

35 gman  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:17:08am
Never mind that now; he is committed in advance to a serious projection of American power into the heartland of our deadliest enemy.

Moonbats are committed to moving the goalposts any chance they get.

36 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:17:21am

soup landmine palin

LOL

37 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:17:28am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Yuk. Drill Swollen Palin
Sounds like a dental prognosis.

38 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:02am

I mean, seriously; Obama said essentially that we should go after high-value targets in Pakistan without that government's permission (which we're already doing, Barry). Now, Pakistan says they'll shoot at our forces if we do. Given Barry's overall "let's all talk without preconditions" worldview, does anyone seriously believe that Presdient Obama [gawd fahbid] would order our forces to shoot their way into Pakistan?

39 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:21am

re: #37 Kosh's Shadow

Yuk. Drill Swollen Palin
Sounds like a dental prognosis.

I...ain't....touchin'....that one

40 jcm  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:27am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Timber Challenger Palin here!

41 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:47am

re: #24 mahatma coat

"but we must have an exit strategy"
{or what rational people call a will to win}


Winning is a goal, survival is a goal, carrot and stick is a strategy, for any how do not understand I am not calling for mass murder or playing etch a sketch with borders everywhere. I am saying that we need to clearly and constantly keep informing the public about what the situations are and then constantly forcing the conditions into a more favorable configuration. Giving the Afghans access to a Baluchi port may be a good economic carrot. Better road and rails and crop technology are carrots, Hunting down anyone in the WMD business is a stick.

42 pegcity  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:56am

So we shouldn't give them F16's?

43 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:57am

Isn't Pakistan just a distraction from the real war in Afghanistan I mean Iraq er... Palestine make that, Washington?

44 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:18:58am
45 joncelli  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:06am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

No, he'd change his mind (change!) and negotiate with the Taliban. [ptui]

46 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:16am
One of the most creditable (and neglected) foreign-policy shifts of the Bush administration after 9/11 was away from our dangerous regional dependence on the untrustworthy and ramshackle Pakistan and toward a much more generous rapprochement with India, the world's other great federal, democratic, and multiethnic state.

True- we have inproved relations with India, and I think it's important that we continue to stand strongly with other democracies instead of dictatorships. Because if America doesn't stand with other democracies, it just looks like we're hypocrites.

47 gman  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:23am

At this moment in time all I want to know is:
Does this mean Whoopi will become a slave?

48 callahan23  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:29am

Christopher Hitchens says in his above article:

American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.


To repeat:
"...if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said"

he's flip-flopped on every single issue. Just as he did with the associates he couldn't be any more associated with, be threw them under the bus.

49 JSK1121  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:40am

re: #36 Typicalwhitey

soup landmine palin

LOL

That might be a finalist. My favorite so far has been LeBron James's Palin name; "Meat Notgay Palin"

50 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:42am

Obama is comitted to fighting a much more serious threat to his American Vision than radical Islam. You amd me.

51 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:55am

any who PIMF

52 Opinionated  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:19:58am
If Barack Obama means what he’s saying about Pakistan

Obama means none of the lies he is telling to get elected.

What we have to fear is what he is not saying.

53 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:20:20am

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

I read this the other day and couldn't help but see it as a Hitchens endorsement of Obama. He seems to say that Republicans can't say we are at war with Pakistan but Obama is somehow brave enough to say it.

Obama is an opportunist and will use the powers of POTUS to withdraw on all fronts in the WOT so he can focus on building a Chicago style machine domestically to rule for 1000 years.

I hope Hitchens sees that.

He won't!
I agree - this is a puff piece by Hitchens to show that B0 does (in his view) have some cojones and perspicacity.

I go along with what was said above: B0 means really he'll have serious, umm, talks,, umm, without preconditions, yeah!

54 Racer X  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:20:24am

If I was Sarah Palin's baby my name would be Truck Lazer Palin.

Get that formula away from me! I need meat. Got moose?

55 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:20:35am

re: #42 pegcity

So we shouldn't give them F16's?

Sure we should, after the F16s have been appropriately modified.

56 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:21:00am

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

I read this the other day and couldn't help but see it as a Hitchens endorsement of Obama.

Hitchens has not exactly been a cheerleader for Obama.

57 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:21:09am

re: #45 joncelli

No, he'd change his mind (change!) and negotiate with the Taliban. [ptui]


You know Michelle is right about all of you "mean" Americans.
You are picking on a guy who is weak from his Ramadan fast.

58 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:21:19am

I have an old seriously libertarian friend who "leans" toward Obama because he believes the Iraq war was due to faulty (possibly fabricated) intelligence and doesn't want to "repeat the mistake".
In all candor, I don't totally disagree with the sentiment, although for different reasons.

I told him I favored the McCain/Palin ticket (actually Palin) because my thing was cleaning up the cesspool called Congress, and I was naive enough to think she might give it a go, and hadn't spent enough time in politics to be corrupt.

He agrees with that, also, and sees my point.

I sent him the topic link with the following text:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

"Bad intelligence?"
Pick a candidate ... this whole affair looks like a lose-lose scenario to me.

It will be interesting to see his reply.

59 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:21:45am

re: #33 ploome hineni

meanwhile Melanie Phillips

Aww - she's a right-wing Brit, what does she know ...

////

60 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:07am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

I mean, seriously; Obama said essentially that we should go after high-value targets in Pakistan without that government's permission (which we're already doing, Barry). Now, Pakistan says they'll shoot at our forces if we do. Given Barry's overall "let's all talk without preconditions" worldview, does anyone seriously believe that Presdient Obama [gawd fahbid] would order our forces to shoot their way into Pakistan?

No way - not even the dems would believe that!

61 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:08am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

I be Stinger Assassin Palin

62 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:10am

Ok my cousin asked for my opinion on who would win.
He is not as optimistic as me.

Here is my prediction, I am leaving out all my data that I sent him to support my position.
Just trust me lol:

My call:
McCain 294
Obama 240


McCain takes Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Colorado, Nevada and Missouri

He will be a serious contender in:
New York, New Jersey, Wisconsin (within 5 in these states)
Washington, Michigan and New Mexico (within 3 in these states)

And I will go one step further and say that one of the 6 listed above will flip to McCain.
Not sure which one yet, but if I had to guess, I would say either New Mexico or Michigan.

63 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:16am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

The population of Pakistan is 165 million. Barry's going to need a very big bus.

64 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:32am
American liberals can’t quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.

The thing is that many American liberals don't believe he means what he says, it's just the kind of talk necessary to get elected.

/...I know how these folks think.

65 amphibian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:33am
If Barack Obama means what he’s saying about Pakistan

What is Husseinovich saying about Pakistan this week, anyway? Are we invading? tough-diplomacying? bombing? surrendering? Obama's positions are like the weather in [fill in your favorite Midwestern state]: if you don't like one, wait ten minutes and you'll get another.

Maybe that's what he means by "change"?

66 joncelli  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:23:34am

re: #57 opnion

Yes, but he appreciates the beauty of the call to prayer [ptuiptui]

67 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:24:28am

IMHO no matter who wins & is POTUS there will be more war; this conflict is far far from over.

McCain might conduct the war competently.

0bama will be full of illusions and will bungle badly.

If you ask me,of course.

68 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:24:34am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

I mean, seriously; Obama said essentially that we should go after high-value targets in Pakistan without that government's permission (which we're already doing, Barry). Now, Pakistan says they'll shoot at our forces if we do. Given Barry's overall "let's all talk without preconditions" worldview, does anyone seriously believe that Presdient Obama [gawd fahbid] would order our forces to shoot their way into Pakistan?

He already sponsored a Joint Resolution preventing an attack on Iran, so no.

69 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:24:58am

re: #61 jwb7605

I be Stinger Assassin Palin

That's it, I'm stealing that name and writing an espionage novel with that name as the lead character.

70 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:09am

re: #54 Racer X

Sarah doesn't use formula, that's why her baby is always with her. My daughter who dislikes John McCain is voting for Palin simply because she's a breastfeeding advocate. heh heh heh Whatever it takes to get them to cross into the Light from the Dark Side (can I call it the Dark Side?)

per generator, I'm Khaki Salmon Palin

71 rhino2  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:12am

That's the real hangup isn't it, whether or not Obama has meant a word he's said so far. And even if he has, who in the world can decipher which side of the argument he meant, since so far he seems to be doing a masterful job of taking whatever side of an issue the crowd in font of him is on.

72 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:17am

re: #54 Racer X

If I was Sarah Palin's baby my name would be Truck Lazer Palin.

Oh, you'd be the Next Generation Zionist Army Secret Weapon!

73 J.S.  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:18am

Oh, PLEASE...I mean really...as if all that yak of Obama's about "bombin' Pakistan" has any sort of credibility whatsoever... Again, please -- as I laugh -- here's a "head's up" -- Obama tells lies, and among his lies was that one threatening claim made during a debate with Hillary R. Clinton (and that lie was to make it appear that The One will be "tough" -- hence Obama notched up the rhetoric. But that's all that that was -- a one time gaff during a debate with Clinton -- nothing more should be made of this gaff...It was a misstatement made by Hussein...and anyone thinking that Hussein is goin' get "tough" with terrorists (as opposed to debatin' and yakking and "deliberatin" with them) is living in La-La-Cuckoo Land.

74 yesandno  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:24am

Problem is not Pakistan...the problem is GWB.

Even Hitchens should know that.

/is this really necessary?

75 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:40am

re: #66 joncelli

Yes, but he appreciates the beauty of the call to prayer [ptuiptui]

Means nothing & that Koranic instruction that he wrote about?
That's just racist to believe him.

76 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:25:50am

re: #61 jwb7605

I be Stinger Assassin Palin

OK- that one tops Flex Gunship.

77 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:26:41am

re: #28 opnion

That's what I think. Obama said this as a way to bash Bush & McCain for suppoting Iraq. He used Pakistan as a prop. His point was that we should pay attention to the 'Good War" Afghanistan & Pakistan impedes our efforts.
He has no real intention of invading Pakistan or challenging any Muslim country.

Yes, that would go against "My Muslim faith."

"My Muslim faith."

Barack Hussein Obama

78 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:26:46am

re: #67 Ojoe


0bama will be full of illusions and will bungle badly.

The only war Obama has any idea how to conduct is one of full frontal lawyer assault. Anything else will be above his pay grade.

79 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #76 Sharmuta

OK- that one tops Flex Gunship.

not by much!

80 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:27:18am

re: #9 joncelli

Bwahahaha! I'm Copper Catfish Palin! Awesome!

Ha! Pump Bust Palin

81 ghost ryder  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:27:29am

Berreta Hockey Palin... me likey!

82 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:27:33am

re: #38 Occasional Reader

I mean, seriously; Obama said essentially that we should go after high-value targets in Pakistan without that government's permission (which we're already doing, Barry). Now, Pakistan says they'll shoot at our forces if we do. Given Barry's overall "let's all talk without preconditions" worldview, does anyone seriously believe that Presdient Obama [gawd fahbid] would order our forces to shoot their way into Pakistan?

Remember Obama said he'd invade Pakistan around the same time he said our air forces in Iraq were air raiding villages and killing innocent civilians. He has abolutley no clue what he is talking about half the time.

That's why he's got the teleprompter 24/7 now.

83 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:27:57am

re: #72 victor_yugo

Don't know about the Zionist Army, but isn't Track the one who'll repel the machines in the Next Generation? After all, he's Sarah's son.

84 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:28:10am

re: #77 republic

Yes, that would go against "My Muslim faith."

"My Muslim faith."

Barack Hussein Obama

I am reporting that to Michelle, for her to put in her 'Mean America"file.

85 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:28:30am

I'm Bush Gator Palin! I likes it!

86 mahatma coat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:28:47am

re: #41 lifeofthemind

I agree completely....was merely refering{not very clearly}to the inevitable chorus of that Clintonian weasel phrase we'd hear If anyone suggested as serious a path as that

87 amphibian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:28:50am

re: #21 MrSilverDragon

Ultimately, the problem is a 1400 year old ideology... but I digress.

I think the problem is older than that. These bright boys are just getting to where they understand bashing rocks together to get more, smaller rocks, and they've got nukes.

88 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:28:59am

Chap Poach Palin ?

89 rhino2  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:29:14am

Hah - mine: Timber Challenger Palin

90 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:29:16am

re: #81 ghost ryder

Berreta Hockey Palin... me likey!

How about 'Two Dogs Palin?" (Do ya know the joke?)

91 sngnsgt  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:29:39am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

LOL! Mine is Muzzle Mammoth Palin.

92 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:29:39am

re: #84 opnion

I am reporting that to Michelle, for her to put in her 'Mean America"file.


His own words, on audio and video.

Michelle (I hate America, always have, except just once) Obama.

93 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:29:57am

re: #82 NC State of Mind

around the same time he said our air forces in Iraq were air raiding villages and killing innocent civilians. He has abolutley no clue what he is talking about half the time

And don't forget the one about our forces in Afghanistan, having to scavenge (7.62mm) rounds from Taliban AKs to load into their (5.56mm) M-16s and M-4s. A neat trick, that.

94 yesandno  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:29:58am

re: #27 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh dear...I'm Fog Piles Palin...anyone have some PrepH?

Same here! Glad it wasn't Dog Piles!

95 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:30:12am

re: #67 Ojoe

IMHO no matter who wins & is POTUS there will be more war; this conflict is far far from over.

Michael Yon wrote the same thing: the war in Af'stan is about to get much bigger, and it will necessarily involve Pakistan.

Who do you want as C in C? A defeatist jerk who still won't credit the surge for victory in Iraq? Or a man who through 5 long years in hell never gave up fighting?

96 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:30:41am

I think that Hillary does not want to attend the rally in NY against the iranian guy because of the crowd reaction to Sarah.

I bet she thinks that the MSM will go on and on about how better received Sarah will be than Hillary.

Thoughts?

97 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:31:07am

re: #82 NC State of Mind

Remember Obama said he'd invade Pakistan around the same time he said our air forces in Iraq were air raiding villages and killing innocent civilians. He has abolutley no clue what he is talking about half the time.

That's why he's got the teleprompter 24/7 now.

That teleprmpter news has got to be beat to death.
Embarass them & let them squirm.

98 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:31:11am

re: #95 Kenneth

I pray McC wins

BBL

99 David Simon  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:31:22am
When the Clinton administration sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan in reprisal for the attacks on our embassies in East Africa, the missiles missed Osama Bin Ladin but did, if you remember, manage to kill two officers of the ISI. It wasn't asked loudly enough: What were these men doing in an al-Qaida camp in the first place?

Also underreported: China paid Al Qaeda $10 million for the unexploded cruise missiles, and reverse-engineered the technology.

100 jamgarr  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:31:43am

My impression of Barack is that he is like Clinton - always with the political finger in the wind - ALWAYS. We can't count on him to do what's right if he fears a negative, personal, political effect.

/McCain/Palin '08

101 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:32:19am

Did you guys see the rebuttal from Taheri to Obama's objection? 4 page article explaining what Obama said to get the Iraqi's to not negotiate until next administration. He also asked Obama to issue "cease and desist" to O's battalions threating Taheri with death and worse for reporting the truth.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

102 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:32:31am

re: #70 merrytexas

Is this the Sarah Palin breastfeeding thread?

103 mahatma coat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:32:39am

Stockyard Mudslide Palin.......hmmmm,has a certain ring

104 snuffyword  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:32:41am

re: #96 Typicalwhitey

I think that Hillary does not want to attend the rally in NY against the iranian guy because of the crowd reaction to Sarah.

I bet she thinks that the MSM will go on and on about how better received Sarah will be than Hillary.

Thoughts?

Either that or they might compare her to the SNL segment.

105 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:32:53am

re: #90 opnion

How about 'Two Dogs Palin?" (Do ya know the joke?)

By the way, Two Dogs F______, why do you ask?

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:32:53am
107 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:33:04am

re: #92 republic

His own words, on audio and video.

Michelle (I hate America, always have, except just once) Obama.

Well, she wrote a real bad SAT & blames society. Using her own words against her is unfair beacuse, uh, um...I'll get back to ya.

108 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:33:17am

re: #96 Typicalwhitey

I have no evidence, but my guess is the Obama campaign ordered Hillary to cancel.

109 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #94 yesandno

Same here! Glad it wasn't Dog Piles!

Yes, I suppose we can be grateful for that...;>)

110 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:33:39am

re: #96 Typicalwhitey

I think that Hillary does not want to attend the rally in NY against the iranian guy because of the crowd reaction to Sarah.

I bet she thinks that the MSM will go on and on about how better received Sarah will be than Hillary.

Thoughts?

Perhaps it's more calculated than that. Perhaps she wants to leave the impression that it's the McCain/Palin ticket that will be hard on iran and not 0bama.

111 pragmatist  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:33:56am

I would be:

Still Hardrock Palin

OFF TOPIC ...

drudge has a link to Jack Cafferty (CNN-MSM-D) who says
the close polls are due to 'racism'.

the comments are closed :-{

But not before a few people pointed out that if Barry had been
1/2 White and not 1/2 Black the Democrat nominee would have
been Hillary Rodham. [ oopps ... I forgot ... if she hadn't married
an obscure former Governor of Arkansas ... she'd probably be
a Feminist for Life and a Sarah Palin supporter < vbg > ]

112 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:33:58am

re: #95 Kenneth

Who do you want as C in C? A defeatist jerk who still won't credit the surge for victory in Iraq? Or a man who through 5 long years in hell never gave up fighting?

Just as important, a man who after 5 long years in hell appreciates the grave danger into which he must order our soldiers.

If I were of a mind to consider The Fascist Tool for even a nanosecond, that alone completely disqualifies him. The Commander in Heat demonstrates why.

113 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:03am

In case you missed this in the DT below - here is a leading article about Petraeus in todays TIMES (London).

That man will certainly get things sorted, better with McCain as CIC, but even if it comes to B0 getting into the White House (God forbid!), at least he'll still be there, doing his best.

114 amphibian  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:03am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Blaster Commando Palin!

Not to tootle my own horn too much, fellow lizardoids, but I believe I win.

115 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #107 opnion

Well, she wrote a real bad SAT & blames society. Using her own words against her is unfair beacuse, uh, um...I'll get back to ya.

That's right, a leftist must never be judged by outcome, only intentions.

spit!

116 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:46am

re: #105 eschew_obfuscation

By the way, Two Dogs F______, why do you ask?


You know the joke.

117 yesandno  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:49am

Barack.......Mangle Blue Palin

Michelle....Can Lightening Palin

118 Born_to_lose  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:53am

I am SO glad that this is getting addressed here. I have been debating, endlessly, with the leftist tools on some of the news boards, and they SWEAR Obama has no proposed agenda for Pakistan. They seem to have convineintly contracted selective amnesia. I remember, back I want to say in at least the first 1/4 of this year, I had heard him during a TV broadcast denounce the idea that pakistan was our ally and that in fact they are an enemy, harboring more of the same. He also said that he would NOT rule out military action against Pakistan should that need to be enforced. However, and with that said...

... I think that Obama has the tenacity of a thumb tack. I think the amount of integrity that he "has" is just about the same, if not less. I do not think that he will act on this assertion, as he doesn't want to upset the apple cart that carries his supporters, among those, every leader of every "islamic" nation who is endorsing him via their repective home fronts. I also just don't think, and for lack of better words, that he has the balls to initiate an invasion into enemy land. As someone above pointed out, I beleive, if he makes any kind of move, it will be made ONLY to address his own agenda, which is creating a society that is 100% government dependent. American needs to PAY for the sufferings and struggles of "the people"...guh! Gimme a friggin' break, Barack Hussein Obama...

119 pat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:57am

The Saudis have done wonderful work: turning a 18th Century slum of a nation into a 7th Century Muslim version of Clockwork Orange.
This must be money well spent in Saudi eyes.

120 ghost ryder  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:34:57am

re: #90 opnion

How about 'Two Dogs Palin?" (Do ya know the joke?)

No I don't, what is it?

121 CIA Reject  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:35:26am

re: #97 opnion

That teleprmpter news has got to be beat to death.
Embarass them & let them squirm.

An idea for the debates: they have these little wireless key fob thingys that can shut off annoying TV sets in places like bars, airport lounges etc.

I wonder if one of those could be modified to work on a teleprompter....

122 Elcid  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:36:07am

Add to that, Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, proliferater par excellence. There ya' go.

123 Racer X  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:36:09am

Suggestion:

John McCain should put together a Powerpoint presentation on his economic proposals the past few years, along with the democrat rebuffs. Include facts, figures, and names. Then outline exactly what he would do to alleviate the current situation. Post it on his web site for everyone to see.

Go for it John!

Shake up the usual whistle-stop-gymnasium stump speeches. Use the internet to your advantage - and to convey your message.

Change!

124 jcm  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:36:49am

re: #40 jcm

Timber Challenger Palin here!

re: #89 rhino2

Hah - mine: Timber Challenger Palin

Twins!

125 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:37:28am

re: #102 Kenneth


I replied to someone who said they wanted moose instead of formula if they were her baby. Why?

126 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:37:34am

re: #33 ploome hineni

meanwhile Melanie Phillips

Obama - silencing critics while the media ignore the giant pink donkey in the room.

127 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:37:50am

Barack Hussein Obama is telling everyone, everywhere, that America, under his admin., will be totaly free of foriegn oil dependance, because Obama will have created a new alternative to oil, within 10 years.

What a complete putz!

A ever increasing need for MORE petrolium will outlive my grandchildren.

What a dumb #$%^!

128 MarineMomSue  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:38:35am

re: #18 Vergeltung

Lollersz! I am "WMD Cessna Palin"

I shiite you not! how cool is that!?! I think mine wins. how can anyone top that?! :D

Mine's not bad.... I'm Commando Coalfire Palin

129 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:38:42am

I would like to have been in that meeting with the respective Generals from the U.S. and Pakistan yesterday.

130 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:39:08am

Obama's bravado is all smoke and mirrors.

Obama will never fight for anything but raising your taxes, silencing critics, and advancing the corrupt DNC good-'ole boy network.

131 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:39:23am

I got Quarter Granite Palin, which is odd,

but my wife is Ammo Canal Palin!

132 FightingBack  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:39:26am

He didn't mean "uh, invade." He meant "uh, diplomacy with no preconditions." It's all in the "uhs."

from,
Tank Dent Palin (I ask you, is that a great name or what?)

133 jpfletcher  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:20am

Stick Freedom Palin

134 opnion  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #120 ghost ryder

No I don't, what is it?


OK, A youg Indian boy asks his father the Chief , how he got his name.
His father says ,"Well when sister was born I look out of tepee & see 'Running Fawn", When brother is born I look out & See "Flying Eagle"
"Why you ask "Two Dogs F...ing?"

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:27am

Does anyone know of a reliable source for analysis of the internal workings of, and the factions within, the ISI?

I've read (sorry, no link, which is part of my quandry) that there are hardcore Islamist sympathizers within the ISI -- which implies that the ISI as a whole is not Islamist.

136 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:29am

As far as I can tell, the word "meaning" has a special meaning for the left in general, and for Obama in particular. The meaning of a word is the political effect of the word.

What did that speech mean? It meant a 3% bump in the polls. What did that gaffe mean? It meant a 2% drop. It simply doesn't occur to them, to him, to anyone on the left, that saying you'll invade Pakistan if that's what it takes to get OBL means war.

Means what? How many percentage points? Come on, be specific! Oh, we never meant it like that. We just meant, like, can we get a 4% bump out of the statement?

But there is a reality out there that is more real than the election stats. If you win, guys, you must then live in that reality. That's the place where bank meltdowns are the good kind if the city's still standing and the meltdown is merely metaphorical. Attacking Pakistan is a bad idea.

137 runrabbitrun  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:30am

gah! I had to see the Obama 'Bush Financial Disasters' ad again....

This time I'm thinkin', the Repubs should just fire back with an ad just like that of their own, for once! The very same montage of photos of busted financial institutions being evacuated, but the voice-over should educate the nation about the do-nothing Dem Congress, Dems on the mortgage take, and a reprise of pics and stats from the Jimmy Carter years, for a little icing.

("About time we fought fire with facts"- Clop Clutch Palin, getting back on her Arctic Sno-Cat)

138 Florida Lady  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:45am

Well, Rush came close . . . he said what Obama did in Iraq on his Magical Myster Tour “borders on treason,” that McCain has to hammer this home, and that there needs to be an investigation.

Rush, just say it - it IS treason. That will make the news for sure!

139 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:40:59am

Just call me Dragon, AKA Clip Dragon Palin

140 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:41:03am

re: #130 FrogMarch

Obama's bravado is all smoke and mirrors.

Obama will never fight for anything but raising your taxes, silencing critics, and advancing the corrupt DNC good-'ole boy network.

You forgot that Obama will subvert power to the U.seless N.uisance and the other "world" powers.

"Fellow citizens of the world, this is our time."

Barack Hussein Obama in Europe.

141 Jinx  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:41:57am

re: #18 Vergeltung

Lollersz! I am "WMD Cessna Palin"

I shiite you not! how cool is that!?! I think mine wins. how can anyone top that?! :D


That's pretty darn good. Though mine's pretty darn good too:

Skunk Grunt Palin.

142 Born_to_lose  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:42:59am

re: #123 Racer X

SG mean anything to you?

143 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:43:06am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

I'm Missle Blunt Palin.

144 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #113 yma o hyd

With the news that Obama tried to convince the Iraqi gov't to stop negotiations with the US gov't and pressured US generals (ie. Petraeus) to consider a rapid pull-out, I don't imagine an Obama administration would tolerate Gen. Petraeus for very long. His Sec Def Weaselly Clark would sack Petraeus and appoint Scott Beauchamp as Commander of CentCom .

145 charles_martel  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:43:54am

re: #6 JSK1121

I'm Knife Pile Palin.
Has a nice ring to it.......

146 incommunicado  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:44:03am

OK, I feel like a total wimp now... Rake Trinket Palin.

147 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:44:15am

Package Wichita Palin
hmmmm...must be a boy.

148 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:44:17am

The other problem for Obama is that his major support and constituency is troofer. The left don't believe in radical Islam.

How can you fight a war in Pakistan when the left-winger base at home do not even buy into the premise?

149 J'accuzzi  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:44:31am

Pakistan has been playing a double game for years. Just a bit more blatantly compared to everyone else. When the pressure gets a bit too intense they cough up the location of some al-qaeda expendables and everyone smiles, shakes hands, and goes back to sleep.

Good point about the fragile logistics supply line running the length of Pakistan to supply troops in Afghanistan. I bet the bribes involved to protect it must be massive.

150 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:44:52am

War monger.

Will there be political cartoons or photoshops of him eating babies?

151 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:45:22am

re: #47 gman

At this moment in time all I want to know is:
Does this mean Whoopi will become a slave?

Is there a slave/Palin name generator?

152 snuffyword  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:45:29am

re: #144 Kenneth

With the news that Obama tried to convince the Iraqi gov't to stop negotiations with the US gov't and pressured US generals (ie. Petraeus) to consider a rapid pull-out, I don't imagine an Obama administration would tolerate Gen. Petraeus for very long. His Sec Def Weaselly Clark would sack Petraeus and appoint Scott Beauchamp as Commander of CentCom .

As of today, that would be GEN Ray Odierno. GEN Patraeus will be CENTCOM.

153 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:46:09am

re: #140 republic

You forgot that Obama will subvert power to the U.seless N.uisance and the other "world" powers.

"Fellow citizens of the world, this is our time."

Barack Hussein Obama in Europe.

yes - how could I forget Obama's citizen of the world/one world government platform. No thanks. Most of the rest of the world is a seething cease pool of corruption.

154 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:46:19am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Ripper Shook Palin (hee)

155 Pastorius  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:46:24am

One has to wonder why Obama wants to attack Pakistan, if indeed he does.

Does he have some axe to grind?

I absolutely do not believe he believes war is a solution to Jihadism. Sorry, I don't believe it.

156 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:46:33am

re: #135 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't really know, but I have read the ISI is very much all pro-Islamist, including pro-Al Qaeda faction. The Pak Army is more nationalist Pakistanis, rather than militant Islamists.

157 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:46:37am

re: #127 republic

Barack Hussein Obama is telling everyone, everywhere, that America, under his admin., will be totaly free of foriegn oil dependance, because Obama will have created a new alternative to oil, within 10 years.

What a complete putz!

A ever increasing need for MORE petrolium will outlive my grandchildren.

What a dumb #$%^!

No, he'll screw up our economy so bad that we're all using horse-drawn carriages and burning horse dung for heat. Oops, bad carbon footprint. We'll be freezing in the winter instead.
/ somewhat sarc

158 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:47:14am

re: #143 debutaunt

I'm Missle Blunt Palin.

Can you turn Mecca into a land of stoners?

/oh, wait

159 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:47:27am

re: #151 debutaunt

Is there a slave/Palin name generator?

Or, just a Whoopi Golberg name generator.

We could call the results, the "Goldberg Variations".

/rimshot

160 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:47:58am

re: #153 FrogMarch

yes - how could I forget Obama's citizen of the world/one world government platform. No thanks. Most of the rest of the world is a seething cease pool of corruption.

I think he's actually running for Governor of North America under the New World Socialist Republic.

161 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:48:14am

re: #106 ploome hineni

you know, she is just stating facts, the MSM refuse to acknowlege or investigate

Exactly - as we've been saying here for quite a few months now!

And she is right - it is indeed a scandal!

162 snuffyword  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:48:25am

re: #158 victor_yugo

Can you turn Mecca into a land of stoners?

/oh, wait

Or a parking lot!

163 guy_philly  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:48:31am

Thump Hummer Palin here ...

Pakis are nucular(sic) too!

164 DeeMack  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:49:15am

Sniper Decoy Palin here! hee hee

If he's president (God FORBID!), and the dookie hits the fan, Uh-oh-bama won't be gettin' into anything but possibly another plate of waffles! He couldn't attack his own heart. I agree with fellow lizards that he will back peddle on the Paki tough talk when the time comes. We'll more than likely find him sucking his thumb in the fetal position under the oval office desk.

Paki is definitely too unstable to have ANYTHING nuclear. I'm thinkin kerosene and wind up's should be safe enough for them for now. Getting our hands on their nukes would be ideal but I doubt feasible.

Iran is a whole other can of worms that's getting ready to pop open. That needs to be cut and cauterized quick.

Unfortunately, the Middle East is one big clusterf#@! So how do we fix it enough, with minimal collateral damage, so that we don't have to worry about glowing in the dark in the next few centuries that it will take to catch most of these folks up to the 20th century? This is the trillion dollar question.

165 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:49:22am

re: #137 runrabbitrun

gah! I had to see the Obama 'Bush Financial Disasters' ad again....

This time I'm thinkin', the Repubs should just fire back with an ad just like that of their own, for once! The very same montage of photos of busted financial institutions being evacuated, but the voice-over should educate the nation about the do-nothing Dem Congress, Dems on the mortgage take, and a reprise of pics and stats from the Jimmy Carter years, for a little icing.

("About time we fought fire with facts"- Clop Clutch Palin, getting back on her Arctic Sno-Cat)

I know. McCain needs to get off the "kindergarten" crap and go for the reality jugular- that major Democrats are involved in major financial scandals - to the tune of millions of dollars.

166 Macker  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:49:24am

re: #2 lifeofthemind

A new dawn a new day and a new thread, then Pakistan flies over and drops guano arugula on it.

There, fixed that for ya!

167 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:49:29am

Barrack Hussein Obama = Axe Diesel Palin
Hillary Clinton = Engine Nighthawk Palin

and...

Joe Biden = Beans Harpoon Palin

168 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:49:37am

re: #153 FrogMarch

yes - how could I forget Obama's citizen of the world/one world government platform. No thanks. Most of the rest of the world is a seething cease pool of corruption.

I think tht there is still legislation pending, the mega billion dollar, "Global Poverty Act", or some hideous thing like that.

Unreal.

America has already given more money to poor places in the world(dictators keep the money), more than all the rest of the world, combined, over the course of the history of mankind.

Tax and spend liberals need to go!

Yugo Chavez can use them all.

169 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:51:02am

re: #167 Kenneth

Joe Biden = Beans Harpoon Palin

ROFLMAO! ! !

Love it.

170 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:51:18am

This November will be very interesting...
Elections in the US that lead to either minor rioting/whining or full blown socialism (read begin shooting civil war part 2) immediately followed by dealing with Iran and Pakistan on the only terms that will get anything done... at least our sides forces have a few months yet to plan...

171 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:51:19am

re: #155 Pastorius

One has to wonder why Obama wants to attack Pakistan, if indeed he does.

Does he have some axe to grind?

First off; I think we need to stop repeating that he said he'd "attack Pakistan" or "invade Pakistan". It just isn't what he said:

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama said on Wednesday the United States must be willing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan...

Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said.

Second, as I said above, I don't believe for a minute that he would actually follow through on this. Talk is cheap. He was trying to puff up his chest and look "tougher than the Republicans", but this does not square AT ALL with anything else he says about foreign policy.

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:52:23am

re: #156 Kenneth

I don't really know, but I have read the ISI is very much all pro-Islamist, including pro-Al Qaeda faction. The Pak Army is more nationalist Pakistanis, rather than militant Islamists.

Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard it was that bad.

173 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:52:29am

John McCain = Steam Fangs Palin

I like it!

174 Macker  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:52:36am

re: #154 DaddyG

Bomb Locomotive Palin

175 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #168 republic

I think tht there is still legislation pending, the mega billion dollar, "Global Poverty Act", or some hideous thing like that.

Unreal.

America has already given more money to poor places in the world(dictators keep the money), more than all the rest of the world, combined, over the course of the history of mankind.

Tax and spend liberals need to go!

Yugo Chavez can use them all.

Obama will drive this nation into the ground. He will punish the productive and force employers to cut jobs. While he blames and spins - the electorate is about to stupidly hand over the reigns to Jimmy Carter II.

176 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #164 DeeMack

Sniper Decoy Palin here! hee hee

If he's president (God FORBID!), and the dookie hits the fan, Uh-oh-bama won't be gettin' into anything but possibly another plate of waffles! He couldn't attack his own heart. I agree with fellow lizards that he will back peddle on the Paki tough talk when the time comes. We'll more than likely find him sucking his thumb in the fetal position under the oval office desk.

Paki is definitely too unstable to have ANYTHING nuclear. I'm thinkin kerosene and wind up's should be safe enough for them for now. Getting our hands on their nukes would be ideal but I doubt feasible.

Iran is a whole other can of worms that's getting ready to pop open. That needs to be cut and cauterized quick.

Unfortunately, the Middle East is one big clusterf#@! So how do we fix it enough, with minimal collateral damage, so that we don't have to worry about glowing in the dark in the next few centuries that it will take to catch most of these folks up to the 20th century? This is the trillion dollar question.

If there isn't real, serious change in Pakistan within a few short months, Pakistan will then become, Al-Quada with nukes.

Al-Quada with nukes, of which Obama would meet, without preconditions, or, as John Kerry recently stated, "America needs to give Al-Quada millions to try and settle our ideological differences."

The fact that people like Jon Carry and Barack(MY Muslimfaith)Hussein Obama are even taken seriously, is like a bad dream.

177 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:55:36am

Sorry to be so late to this thread. We HAVE to recognize a couple of facts, some of them very unpleasant.
First of all, Pakistan IS a democracy (unless it comes too close to Sharia law in secular matters, in which case it has always become a military dictatorship).
Secondly, Pakistan does have nukes and the missiles by which to deliver them; discussions with the Paki's that don't at least seem to indicate our desire for a good relationship with Pakistan will only cause Pakistan to relocate some of those nukes and add a lot of their military to guard them - the Paki's aren't stupid and know that those Nukes are the only things that are keeping it a separate, definable, country.
Thirdly, Pakistan has NEVER had control of the Frontier Provinces - they are now and have always been controlled by a fairly large assortment of "Warlords" [the term, which may conjure up some Hollywood images of uneducated, sword wielding maniacs is very far from the truth].
Fourth - Pakistan's government HAS to make a big deal out of protecting Pakistan's territorial sovereignty or the overwhelming majority of it's citizens will throw out the government, lock stock and barrel (think how the US would feel if, say, Canada, used drones or attack helicopters to attack "rebels" within Canada from trying to seize control of the Canadian government and the US allowed those rebels to hide in, R&R in, and resupply and recruit in, say Montana and those drone or attack helicopters accidentally killed oh, a few hundred American citizens) but
Fifth - while Pakistan's government makes a lot of noise about defending Pakistani territory from American/Afghanistan military incursions, it also recognizes that those incursions are Pakistan's' best hope to gain governmental control over those "Frontier Provinces".
The US has no real choice, here, but to strike the deal that I think that they will make, and that would be something akin to "hot pursuit" - we catch or see the bad guys in Afghanistan and start shooting and chasing them IN Afghanistan and just continue going after them after they cross the borders into Pakistan.
Hell, we did that in Cambodia and Laos during Vietnam and both countries were officially neutral during the entire Vietnam War. Pakistan IS still our ally; we ought to be VERY CAREFUL about blowing that relationship, when we really don't need to do so.
And, bye the bye, the State Department really fucked up when they told Bush NOT to support Mushareef - he wasn't exactly what we wanted, but he did, after much prodding by us, destroy the Red Mosque in the capital of Pakistan and was sending troops - albeit not Pakistan's best troops - to quell the warlords who were supporting Al-Q and the Taliban.

178 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:56:36am

The Obama Candidacy is graphic proof that at least half of the population may be fairly labeled "Dumbass".

179 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:56:37am

Ohhh, I went back and did the Palin baby with my name that I'm called by and my last name (I had used my given name and middle name). This is more like me:
Guzzle Red Palin

180 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:56:39am

re: #175 FrogMarch

Obama will drive this nation into the ground. He will punish the productive and force employers to cut jobs. While he blames and spins - the electorate is about to stupidly hand over the reigns to Jimmy Carter II.

I have a gut feeling that Obama is not only going to lose, but he is also going to lose most credebility as a POTUS candidate in the future.

181 Macker  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:57:56am

re: #180 republic

What the Illinois voters have to do, as long as we defeat him in November, is vote his ass out of office in 2010!

182 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:58:03am

re: #144 Kenneth

With the news that Obama tried to convince the Iraqi gov't to stop negotiations with the US gov't and pressured US generals (ie. Petraeus) to consider a rapid pull-out, I don't imagine an Obama administration would tolerate Gen. Petraeus for very long. His Sec Def Weaselly Clark would sack Petraeus and appoint Scott Beauchamp as Commander of CentCom .

Yeah - in the cold light of what B0 can get up to once he's in, that would probably be the sad outcome.

Again - and I hope someone from the McCain campaign reads LGF! - this possibility needs to be hamemred home in McCain ads: losing the best General in a generation will happen if B0 wins.

Should concentrate some minds ...

183 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:58:21am

All Democrats pretend to be Conservative/Republicans in order to fool the electorate into voting for them.

Colorado Governor Bill Ritter (D) is a prime example. He campaigned in the middle but as soon as he got into office- he moved back to the left. Ritter is a total union hack. He is encouraging state workers to unionize. He has to in order to pay back the unions who gave him major funding to win his prize seat of power.

184 iamkirkg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:58:44am

I am Can Lightning Palin. There can be only one.

185 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:59:06am

re: #177 realwest

I think you err in your assumption that Pakistan actually has a government.

186 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 9:59:09am

re: #181 Macker

What the Illinois voters have to do, as long as we defeat him in November, is vote his ass out of office in 2010!


I agree.

Tough to do with the Chicago Political Machine running things in IL, including Springfield.

187 yma o hyd  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:01:09am

re: #151 debutaunt

Is there a slave/Palin name generator?

Heh - I put Whoopi into the generator - out comes:
Bang Walmart Palin!

Awww ...

188 Macker  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:02:01am

re: #187 yma o hyd

Somehow, that makes sense for Whoopi.

189 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:02:17am

re: #177 realwest

Good post. One small quibble:

Secondly, Pakistan does have nukes and the missiles by which to deliver them

I don't think it is believed at this point that Pakistan can make a nuke small enough to be delivered by ballistic missile, IIRC.

190 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:02:33am

re: #177 realwest

Good post. Pakistan is a big problem and a simple "tough guy" approach is as dangerous as the negotiate & surrender approach. It's going to be very tricky. That said, I would want the negotiations carried out by an administration that can credibly back up the tough guy posture.

191 J.S.  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:03:20am

re: #172 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yossef Bodansky has written about the ISI in Pakistan (some articles by Bodansky here...)

For other info there's always Wiki (look at the references to texts or "Further Reading" at end of article -- although you may find it's pro-ISI (?))

192 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:03:31am

re: #185 maddogg It does have a government - shaky though it may be - and that government DOES control the nukes.
If that democratically elected government DOESN'T appear to be protecting Pakistan from the US, then the jihadists in Pakistan will likely take over control of a nuclear armed Pakistan.

193 sidtara  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:03:37am

re: #59 yma o hyd

Obama name generator: Marxist Mole Obama

194 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:03:37am

re: #185 maddogg

I think you err in your assumption that Pakistan actually has a government.

Some parts of Pakistan have parts of a government.

195 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:03:59am

re: #184 iamkirkg

I am Can Lightning Palin. There can be only one.

Can Lightning...like Sterno with a bang.

196 FightingBack  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:04:21am

re: #194 Kenneth

Some parts of Pakistan have parts of a government.

But not the real good parts.

197 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:05:16am

re: #192 realwest

It does have a government - shaky though it may be - and that government DOES control the nukes.
If that democratically elected government DOESN'T appear to be protecting Pakistan from the US, then the jihadists in Pakistan will likely take over control of a nuclear armed Pakistan.

That is EXACTLY what I predict will happen.

198 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:05:30am

re: #189 Occasional Reader
Yeah, but you know O.R., I hate to rely on what is "known" or "assumed" [a more likely term] about Pakistan's missiles and nukes. They were developed to attack or retaliate against an attack from India.

199 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:05:35am

George W Bush = Puck Mule Palin

200 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:06:15am

re: #191 J.S.

Yossef Bodansky has written about the ISI in Pakistan (some articles by Bodansky here...)

For other info there's always Wiki (look at the references to texts or "Further Reading" at end of article -- although you may find it's pro-ISI (?))

Thanks!

Re: Wiki ... yeah, this is the type of thing I don't trust Wikipedia on.

201 Egfrow  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:07:30am

Democrats historically are the party of War. Republicans historically have been the Party the usually ends them.

202 CIA Reject  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:08:30am

re: #187 yma o hyd

Heh - I put Whoopi into the generator - out comes:
Bang Walmart Palin!

Awww ...


John Kerry = Bullet Bodycheck Palin
Harry Reid = Barrel McRaven Palin
Nancy Pelosi = Slap Spear Palin
Al Gore = Puck Mule Palin
Michael Moore = Crust Scramble Palin
Michelle Obama = Winey Assed B*tch

Must have an override....

203 caliredst8r  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:08:44am

I'm Meat Notgay Palin. WTF?

204 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:09:21am

re: #197 maddogg
Well I confess to relying upon, in addition to the information which is generally known, on the information provided by two of our good friends down here - both from Pakistan and both of whom became American Citizens before 9/11 and they each tell me that while WE see the ISI as "the real government" in Pakistan, we're wrong - THE BIG STICK in Pakistan has always been it's Military - and the Military refuses to allow Sharia law in secular affairs.
They "allowed" Mushareef to "step down" but will NOT tolerate a jihadist based government.
And one of those friends of ours goes to Pakistan for a six week visit every year to visit his family and friends.
I tend to trust their judgments on Pakistan.

205 runrabbitrun  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:09:56am

re: #199 Kenneth

George W Bush = Puck Mule Palin

well they got the 'mule' part right, for better and for worse :)

206 zato  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:10:14am

Presidential Debates-
Moderator- Barry, you started your primary campaign pushing for an end to the war and a rapid withdrawal but now it seems that you've adopted a hawkish stance and that you support cracking down on the terrorists hiding out in Pakistan?

Barry- Uh, Ah... what I had said, at the time, and ah, ah, if you carefully ah review my remarks. You will ah ah uh notice. That I have always advocated. Going after Pakistan. I don't know why the Republicans keep misrepresenting my record. As President, I ah ah would preemptively. Strike. Against any nations that ah ah ah harbor terrorists. And that has always included Pakistan.

MSNBC Anchor- "Barry hit a home run out there today. Now thats the kind of leadership our country needs."

Liberal Blogs- "He didn't mean what he said about attacking Pakistan. He's just trying to win the election after which he'll renounce such tactics. McCain is a warmonger."

207 Syrah  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:10:37am

re: #177 realwest

They State Department seems to have a knack for getting it wrong.

208 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:10:48am

re: #201 Egfrow

You can say that again - though these days I don't use the term "Democrats" but rather "Lefties" as the fringe or radical elements of that party seem to in fact have control of that party.

209 Tarkus289  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:10:52am

There was never a moment since the beginning of the War on Terror that it was not obvious that we would eventually have to go to war with Pakistan, and for that matter most of all of the other islamic states, the only way that would have been avoided is if the first few wars (battles) were so decisive that the other states came clean, as Libya did after the initial success of Iraq.
I blame the American Left for the failure, if they had just shut their f*cking mouths and let our military loose, we would have put the fear of G*d into our enemies and they would realize they did not have a chance in the world of beating us, but the idiots kept saying it's a quagmire and we can't win and it's Vietnam all over again. So our enemies just have to keep the blood flowing and try to get us to quit.. BullShit, if we quit...We Die. This war will go on for the rest of our lives, but we will win, we have to win.

The irony is (as usual) the liberal anti-war crowd has made this much more dangerous and much more deadly than necessary.

I'm sorry folks, this is how it is going to be.
40+ years, millions will die.
They started it.

210 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #207 Syrah
I frequently wonder if it's a "knack" or intentional.

211 caliredst8r  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:11:52am

If I put my last name instead of my first name I'm MATT DAMON! Palin

212 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:12:53am

re: #211 caliredst8r

If I put my last name instead of my first name I'm MATT DAMON! Palin

I'd rather be Meat Notgay than Matt Damon.

213 Arbalest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:13:51am

One of the problems with BHO is that he has no sense of military strategy.

There is something to be said for declaring the Afghan-Pakistani border to be a free-fire zone, but this will mostly just push Al Q. and the Taliban into the cities (like Peshawar, Qetta and Lahore, where they already are). A useful action, and not a new idea, but likely not a solution.

An invasion of Pakistan, like Iraq, which might be what BHO means, might be a solution; it worked for Alexander the Great, Mahmud of Gazhni, and others. But they stayed (and knew how to handle agitators and other problems); we won't (and should not want to). If this is BHO's intent, it is a bad idea.

There's a reason that India has not simply conquered Pakistan, and is unlikely to ever try; Pakistan contains nothing but problems. Staying out of Pakistan keeps many problems out of India.

We should pay close attention to this strategy; it's a good one.

The single most important thing to do to Pakistan, once they go tribal (and it looks like this is unavoidable), is to whack all of their nuclear scientists, technicians and facilities, and secure all fissile material.

A good additional operation is to turn all of their missile facilities and most of their military aircraft to slag.

This leaves a tribal Pakistan a non-nuclear state. We are then able to hunt OBL with less restriction.

The Taliban may or may not fade away, but the religious radicals are part of the landscape; they aren't likely to disappear anytime soon.

A strong Afghanistan with a secure border is the best solution we can obtain, and it may not be feasible.

Government programs to buy the yearly opium crop (which we then use to make the world's supply of morphine each year, then burn the rest) at reasonably high levels (forces the drug-lords to buy at un-economically higher cost) may be the only thing we manage to take away from today's situation in Afghanistan.

Leaving the whole region economically undeveloped, and therefore not wealthy enough to cause problems for others, maybe the only long-term solution.

Allowing the Baluchis to form their own country is an option, but the end result is unclear: it will put a knot in the intestines of the Iranian mullahs, but it will likely do the same for the rest of Pakistan (no more direct access to the rest of the world).

214 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:15:19am

here is the result of my post #58, for anybody interested:

Ouch. Thanks for the article. I've known for a long time that Pakistan created the Taliban, but not the inherent fanaticism in it's name.


On the other side, the nation is mostly secular and the extremists can only get about 10% of any vote. We need to keep that in mind when fighting them, since bombs tend to radicalize even moderates.

I've referred to this whole mess as "The first eleventh-century war of the twenty first century." Maybe next we can advance a few centuries and have a war over the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

I haven't figured out how to fight stupidity except with a lot of patience and a minimum of actual force. That's a tough combination to sell.

Thanks -- good article.

***

On Sep 17, 2008, at 10:14 AM, ****** wrote:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

"Bad intelligence?"
Pick a candidate ... this whole affair looks like a lose-lose scenario to me.

215 maddogg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:16:17am

re: #204 realwest

Well I confess to relying upon, in addition to the information which is generally known, on the information provided by two of our good friends down here - both from Pakistan and both of whom became American Citizens before 9/11 and they each tell me that while WE see the ISI as "the real government" in Pakistan, we're wrong - THE BIG STICK in Pakistan has always been it's Military - and the Military refuses to allow Sharia law in secular affairs.
They "allowed" Mushareef to "step down" but will NOT tolerate a jihadist based government.
And one of those friends of ours goes to Pakistan for a six week visit every year to visit his family and friends.
I tend to trust their judgments on Pakistan.

Well, then the "democracy" rules at the pleasure of the military, which would mean Pakistan is still under control of the military, and they allowed the public at large to choose their puppets. Which means Pakistan is not really a democracy, and the only thing that has changed is the window dressing. But the government does not control it's territory, and is therefore weak. The Jihadists will not rest until in control, so Pakistan will remain in turmoil indefinitely.

216 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:17:05am

re: #191 J.S.

Yossef Bodansky has written about the ISI in Pakistan (some articles by Bodansky here...)

I've been skimming Bodansky's articles.
Thanks VERY much!

217 caliredst8r  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:18:42am

re: #212 redstateredneck

Hmm, yeah, you're right

218 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:24:46am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

I'm Roller Texas Palin!

219 republic  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:31:39am

Wow, Rush just said that the man who was responsible for the demise of Fannie Mae, is currently Obama's Financial Advisor.

I thought Obama threw him under the bus months ago.

What's up with this?

220 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:32:04am

re: #213 Arbalest
Uh,

The single most important thing to do to Pakistan, once they go tribal (and it looks like this is unavoidable), is to whack all of their nuclear scientists, technicians and facilities, and secure all fissile material.


First of all it is not unavoidable that Pakistan goes "tribal" and secondly just how do you suppose we are going to be able to "Whack" all of their existing nuclear weapons, scientists, etc., without killing millions of Pakistanis?
This isn't some "movie" where the US Special Forces just go in and shoot up the Paki military guarding those nuclear weapons which they already have and
"secure" their "fissile material" - this isn't and is unlikely to ever be, a re-play of Afghanistan where we managed to get the Northern Tribal warlords to jump the Taliban with our not so inconsiderable help.
EXCEPT for the tribal regions - which are the ones in question - Pakistan is NOT a tribal nation and hasn't been for quite a long time.
Negotiations to make Pakistan our ally is really the only true solution to this problem.

221 realwest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:33:23am

Sorry y'all but I gotta go eat lunch. I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

222 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:34:04am

re: #162 snuffyword

Or a parking lot!

Camelot

223 UberInfidel67  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:34:32am

Not sure I like my name:Moustache Warthog Palin lol lol lol

224 Macker  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:35:58am

re: #208 realwest

You can say that again - though these days I don't use the term "Democrats" but rather "Lefties" as the fringe or radical elements of that party seem to in fact have control of that party.

Which is why I write their party name as "Demo☭rats."

225 UberInfidel67  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:36:36am

With a variation on my first name, I become: Lean Pipe Palin. I like that one better : )

226 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:36:40am

"Pockyston" is a problem? Who'd a thunk it. I guess that is why at the latest "Red Flag" exercises at Nellis AFB Indian Air Force Sukhois and USAF F-15's engaged in simulated combat against an opposing force of F-16's painted in the same style camo as the Paki Air Force uses.


The simulation involved the OPFOR F-16's attempting to prevent the F15's and Indian Sukhois from carrying out a joint strike at ground targets.

I think we can all figure out what they are practicing for.

227 pittrader1988  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:41:21am

David Axelrod astroturfing the media. Two articles out about race.

Obama playing the race card to win.

228 vagabond trader  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:43:28am

re: #173 Kenneth

Hey, that's mine too! Good company I'd say!

229 Empire1  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:43:47am

re: #18 Vergeltung

Oh, I dunno -- I'm Moose Roadster Palin!

230 smcg  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:46:22am

I am Hose Hotrod Palin!

231 Yashmak  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:51:32am
and if he has meant a single serious word he’s ever said,

Of course, this is where it all falls down. I have serious trouble with the notion that Obama means anything he says, other than that he wants to be President.

232 kynna  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:53:08am

I'm Stockyard Mudslide Palin. o_O

That's just icky.

233 Annar  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:54:22am

Once Obama wins the groundwork for the white flags to rise over Afghanistan will begin. Withdrawal will start in February and the green Taliban flags will flutter once more over that troubled land. Pakistan will then return to its match with India over Kashmir. It will be disheartening (and dangerous) to watch the Dhimmis stew in indecision as the subcontinent burns.

234 sevoguy  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 10:55:37am

Paki"shit"stain is the problem. They stink.

Hopefully Paki-SHIT-Stain will push India to the brink and war will ensue;to thin out their islamist population.

235 Strike Hornet  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:03:31am

re: #111 pragmatist

I would be:

Still Hardrock Palin

OFF TOPIC ...

drudge has a link to Jack Cafferty (CNN-MSM-D) who says
the close polls are due to 'racism'.

the comments are closed :-{

But not before a few people pointed out that if Barry had been
1/2 White and not 1/2 Black the Democrat nominee would have
been Hillary Rodham. [ oopps ... I forgot ... if she hadn't married
an obscure former Governor of Arkansas ... she'd probably be
a Feminist for Life and a Sarah Palin supporter < vbg > ]

LOL...Caffetty is such a left wing hack it's comical to listen to him and the one-sided emails he chooses to read. What a joke that moonbat is...and CNN for that matter...

236 Karagush  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:04:11am

Looks like I am Tangle Jig Palin.

237 snuffyword  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:04:57am

re: #222 debutaunt

re: #162 snuffyword

Or a parking lot!

Camelot

LOL! That's a great one. You are good!

238 Maximu§  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:17:29am

A Pakistan problem?

A Ohio Class SSBN could solve that problem in about 30 minutes.

239 StirUpTheBlog  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:22:02am

The REAL problem is DirkaDirkastan.
I put a jihad on alla them.
And if you don't believe me, I put a jihad on you too!

240 Maximu§  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:22:44am

re: #220 realwest

Negotiations to make Pakistan our ally is really the only true solution to this problem.

I don't think so, when over 70% of a countries population Hates your guts...Negotiations are worthless. Its time for America to unleash her weapons and force the Pakistani's into the 21st Century or blow them back into the 1st Century.

My son's in the Army and I don't want him fighting an elusive enemy on the Pakistani border that can slip in-and-out of Pakistan like the Vietnamese did in Cambodia.

241 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:23:33am

re: #59 yma o hyd

Join up the dots.

242 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:25:07am

re: #239 StirUpTheBlog

Hmmmm. Comment further, please. I don't want to get on your bad side right off.

243 Viking6  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:28:34am

re: #218 Colonel Panik

Boy my name is now: Meat Notgay Palin

244 godfrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:38:20am

You guys are giddy warmongers.

Repeat after me:

This is just a tiny fraction of Muslims.
They've hijacked a great religion.
Uh...
Pakistan is, uh...
The Yemen Embassy? LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you! LA LA LA

See? No problem!

Now let me get back to my waffle.

245 godfrey  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:40:21am

re: #213 Arbalest

The single most important thing to do to Pakistan, once they go tribal (and it looks like this is unavoidable), is to whack all of their nuclear scientists, technicians and facilities, and secure all fissile material.

A good additional operation is to turn all of their missile facilities and most of their military aircraft to slag.

Bingo.

246 mattm  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

Ammo Canal Palin.

247 mattm  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:52:45am

Hitchens is coming speak at my college in October. I wonder what the moonbats will do?

If anyone is in the Springfield/Hartford area...(it's free)

[Link: www.wsc.ma.edu...]

248 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:52:53am

re: #244 godfrey

You guys are giddy warmongers.
Repeat after me:
This is just a tiny fraction of Muslims.
They've hijacked a great religion.
Uh...
Pakistan is, uh...
The Yemen Embassy? LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you! LA LA LA
See? No problem!
Now let me get back to my waffle.

Don't let's forget the tiny Muslim segment (300,000,000) of the Indian population, a tiny fraction of which likes to blow up non-Muslim civilians in India. And pass the maple syrup.

249 Korla Pundit  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:03:32pm

If it is to be, then so be it. War with Pakistan would be a bad one, being that they have nukes. But India could be a useful ally, as it would solve their Kashmir problem once and for all.

The good side is that it would not be as delicate a thing as the Iraq war, which involved not just beating the crap out of Saddam, but doing so as to show the Iraqi people that we were fighting for them, not against them. That has finally seen fruit.

A war with Pakistan would mostly have to be a hit-them-hard-and-fast bludgeoning from which they could never recover militarily, and would have to learn from it not to ever pick a fight with the US again.

Some people are determined to be our enemy. Mussharaf needed very real threats to his arse to get in line against the Taliban. The ISI is more extremist and in bed with Al Qaeda. They will have to be absolutely decimated, and the tribal regions cleaned out.

There will be lots of blood shed in this one, if it happens. But better that then letting this fester.

Let's use Iran as a demonstration of how a nation can be wiped out with a relentless air campaign until they cry Uncle. Maybe the Pakistani government will get the message and we can avoid further unpleasantness.

250 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 12:06:33pm

re: #6 JSK1121

OT: What's your Palin name? Mine is Crunk Petrol Palin. Try it!

[Link: politsk.blogspot.com...]

I'd be Stag Tonnage Palin..

251 Mardukhai  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 1:36:01pm

re: #6 JSK1121

I've got all of you beat!

I'm McCain Fortress Palin!

Does that make me Secretary of Defense?

252 nyc redneck  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:26:40pm

you can tell by how he pronounces it, 'paw-kee-stan', that he's not going to do anything.
he's a suck up citizen of the world and won't be able to make any decision that would damage his reputation in the countries he wants to impress.
i don't care how tuff his previous rhetoric was, he is not going to protect america.
he cares more abt. the rest of the world.

253 Arbalest  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:48:32pm

re: #220 realwest
First of all it is not unavoidable that Pakistan goes “tribal” …

You might be right. OTOH, a sizeable proportion of the population still retains a significant amount of ethnic (Pushtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, etc., i.e., “Tribal”) identity. They don’t get along particularly well with each other, certainly the farther they are from the power of the central government. The Tribal areas and large sections of Baluchistan show this clearly.

A very large segment of the Pakistani population is fundamentally Islamic or sympathetic to the Islamists. The Pakistani Army has been having to fight some increasingly popular fundamentalists over the last 10 years or so. Couple this with the underlying ethnic identities and desires in the region, and there’s good reason to believe that Pakistan will fragment into 3 or more petty, and potentially severely Islamic, states (“tribal” or “Tribal”?)

#240 Maximus essentially called it right. A big slice of the population doesn't like us. A lot.


… how do you suppose we are going to be able to "Whack" all of their existing nuclear weapons, scientists, etc., without killing millions of Pakistanis?

Osirak. The recent Syrian reactor strike. The first 90 days of airstrikes in Baghdad/Iraq in 2003. ARCLIGHT the suspected area, send in the 101st to secure the LZ, fly in tanks and razor wire to secure the perimeter, and earthmoving equipment to dig up the area. Fly everyone out when they're done ...... repeat as necessary ......

But let’s look at the big picture: if millions are to die from the use of one or more nuclear weapons, why should it be Americans in NY/LA/DC/Chicago/……?

I just don’t feel like being a victim, and I’m betting I’m not alone.


Negotiations to make Pakistan our ally is really the only true solution to this problem.

Isn’t Pakistan our ally? We’ve given them how much money and how many modern weapons? Who are they going to defend themselves from?

Then there’s evidence that the Pakistani bomb plans have been sold to the Iranians and North Koreans, and possibly even to Libya, and who knows whom else. Al Q. has been trying to get fissile material; the implication is that they already have plans.

Even when giving Pakistan billions of dollars of money and weapons, they were still questionable. Time to try other things.

We see how well negotiations work with the North Koreans.

254 Colonel Panik  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 2:50:30pm

re: #239 StirUpTheBlog

The REAL problem is DirkaDirkastan.
I put a jihad on alla them.
And if you don't believe me, I put a jihad on you too!

Still unhappy over those goats, eh?

255 LesLein  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 3:05:37pm

Obama probably supports military action against Pakistan to reassure swing voters that he's not a complete dove.

256 gumby  Wed, Sep 17, 2008 7:29:54pm

Cheney Wolfhound Palin here!

257 Jimmah  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:20:33am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Where are the photoshops of 0bama the war monger?

If Obama is elected we'll see them the instant he is forced to make a decision that takes reality into account. Moonbat hearts would break as never before. Sometimes I think it might be worthwhile electing him, just to see it.

258 samhein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:15:28am

re: #9 joncelli

Bwahahaha! I'm Copper Catfish Palin! Awesome!

Mine was Vice Peeper.....uh...sounds a bit perverted to me. Thanks...but No Thanks! :)


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