Ahhh...a fresh new thread.

Israel needs Bibi

Torpedo, dead ahead! Heh.

The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking

On tonight's episode of "Prison Confidential", rubico meets the roto-plooker.

Shrinkage.

It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.

— Thomas Paine

You mean like losing your Harvard Doctoral thesis?

Not releasing your medical records?

Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.

Air Force Reserve Over Texas.

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

Weet dreams, leezards

re: #8 itellu3times

Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.

if they were to speak at length, the truth that McCain tried to reign things in and the rest of them, Obanal included, said no, we want the money..... would come out.

i'm amazed that i'm actually defending the RINO, but it seems that it was his acorn day when he did that.

/i need several drinks

re: #4 Sharmuta

The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking

Whoa....

Thanks, Sharmuta! I find it interesting that the alleged hacker claimed there was nothing bad to be found in the emails.

re: #8 itellu3times

Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.

they are relying on us. We alone can get the message out, until Rush picks up on it. Once Rush starts talking about it, it's in the national discourse and democrats tart talking about how much they hate it.

The best part is... nobody even knows what "it" is.

re: #12 Meremortal

Whoa....

Thanks, Sharmuta! I find it interesting that the alleged hacker claimed there was nothing bad to be found in the emails.

But that's not stopping the msm from spreading the lie she used yahoo for official business. That's really pissing me off.

re: #14 Sharmuta

But that's not stopping the msm from spreading the lie she used yahoo for official business. That's really pissing me off.

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I didn't know about that. I've been under the weather for a few days and haven't been following things as closely as usual. I didn't see the interview tonight, but the comments were mainly positive on the other thread. I think this little dip in the polls had to be expected after her rocket launch beginning. I think she has staying power and will be fine.

re: #13 cliffster

they are relying on us. We alone can get the message out, until Rush picks up on it. Once Rush starts talking about it, it's in the national discourse and democrats tart talking about how much they hate it.

The best part is... nobody even knows what "it" is.

This is the most amazing thing in history, an economic disaster so vast you can't even see the edges, and yet, nobody is even talking about it.

All in good time, or bad time.

So far Barack's scorched-earth ads are working.

re: #15 Meremortal

You can see the article here:

Hackers broke into the Yahoo! e-mail account that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin used for official business as Alaska's governor, revealing as evidence a few inconsequential personal messages she has received since John McCain selected her as his running mate.

This is not true. There is no evidence to support this claim, and even the hacker is saying they found nothing to verify it, but the msm is promoting it.

Barney Frank and company got us into this financial mess.
Nancy Pelosi and her kind cut us off from our own natural resources.
Hollywood ushering in an inexperienced Socialist/Collectivist presidential candidate.
Terrorist wolves are at the door.

You can't make this shit up.

NObama! NEVER! EVER!

re: #17 EIDE_Interface
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Call it a night, Moby.

re: #17 EIDE_Interface

You still here? I think you need some happy music.

re: #14 Sharmuta

Hopefully the hacker gets caught. The original site it showed up on tried to do the right thing but can any of the reposters be prosecuted? Like Huffington?

re: #21 BlueCanuck

You still here? I think you need some happy music.

I'll listen to my alt-rock instead.

re: #8 itellu3times

Perhaps the problem (for the politician, not for the prophet) is that the truth might hurt.

Namely, perhaps Americans are not as rich as we like to pretend we are?

Whether it is the unemployed laborer who "states" his income to get a home loan... or a CEO who pimps his company to bankers knowing full well his company is worthless... it is all a sham.

How can any politician come out to the electorate and say "We've been buying houses that are too big, cars that are too expensive, and many are not working enough for what they area getting paid." Do you think that politician could get elected?

Near me is a large construction site (new school) that is nearing completion.... last night walking by it near sunset a lone workman - a plumber I suppose (he was fitting pipe), was working hard. He probably makes an ok living, but a decent living at that. However, for every one of him, how many others out there are just trying to find 6 figure incomes shuffling papers, or worse, just passing off schemes to others who are shuffling papers or scheming....?

Not that I believe abstract work is worthless - hardly, it is what I have done most of my life. Yet the lifestyles of so many Americans appear to me to be detached from the reality of the physical universe.

/sermon mode = off

re: #18 Sharmuta

Another in a long list...it does raise my hackles to see her treated this way. I'm hoping this personal destruction strategy backfires.

Sorry for the "newbie" question, but what is a moby?

I keep seeing that word thrown around lately...

re: #4 Sharmuta

The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking

You might have seen this.

Memo to US Secret Service: Net proxy may pinpoint Palin email hackers.

In the Hackers note from the link that you posted, he said used only the one proxy. It turns out that proxy keeps a log.

Hacker is toast.

re: #17 EIDE_Interface

So far Barack's scorched-earth ads are working.

Count me among the uninformed here.... what "scorched-earth" ads?

re: #24 freetoken

"It's all an illusion."
The Buddah

re: #26 TheMatrix31

This will help. The LGF Dictionary of terms. Moby.

Obama runs a campaign of emotional opportunity. He uses the 24 hour news cycle to prey on the emotions of the weak. That needs to be understood.

Obama will take his shots in the morning so the media will play them all day long.

The McCain campaign is going to have learn that this response, while good, has to happen earlier in the day. McCain goes after Obama on his Fannie Mae contributions

If Obama uses what happened in Iraq today as an opportunity to advance his political career, I want his ass nailed to the wall and don't stop nailing!

No matter day or night.

re: #28 freetoken

Count me among the uninformed here.... what "scorched-earth" ads?

Obama much more negative

re: #30 BlueCanuck

This will help. The LGF Dictionary of terms. Moby.

That's an awesome link.

re: #31 freedomplow

Obama runs a campaign of emotional opportunity. He uses the 24 hour news cycle to prey on the emotions of the weak. That needs to be understood.

Obama will take his shots in the morning so the media will play them all day long.

The McCain campaign is going to have learn that this response, while good, has to happen earlier in the day. McCain goes after Obama on his Fannie Mae contributions

If Obama uses what happened in Iraq today as an opportunity to advance his political career, I want his ass nailed to the wall and don't stop nailing!

No matter day or night.

And yet who will hear? The MSM covers everything Barack has to say and conveniently forgets any of McCain's accusation against Barack. I don't know how to overcome this obvious MSM conspiracy.

re: #30 BlueCanuck

This will help. The LGF Dictionary of terms. Moby.

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Thanks, you beat me to it. Oh, what the hell, let's put it all for any and all to read.

Moby: An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question. The term is derived from the name of the liberal musician Moby, who famously suggested in February of 2004 that left-wing activists engage in this type of subterfuge: "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion. Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'" The strategy has been frequently attempted on LGF and elsewhere, but has not been nearly as effective as Moby envisioned, since false rumors are easily debunked by fact-checking minions, and cartoonishly extreme commenters often get immediately identified as mobys and banned from LGF.

If we had a picture of EIDE_interface, it would go here.
.

Check out this story:

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

interesting thing is, at the end of his diatribe, this moron Proclaims "Obama in '08!" Saw it on ESPN this morning.........

Of course now the bought and owned media won't report it.....

heres the original, the bit of wisdom can be heard at about 1:40

If we had a picture of EIDE_interface, it would go here.

I looked at the moby definition and I have not:

* spread false rumors
* sowed dissension
* impersonated a right-winger - I have always been a right-winger

“Poor Tom Paine! There he lies;
nobody laughs and nobody cries;
where he has gone or how he fares;
nobody knows and nobody cares.”

~ 19th-century street ditty

re: #37 EIDE_Interface

I looked at the moby definition and I have not:

* spread false rumors
* sowed dissension
* impersonated a right-winger - I have always been a right-winger

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GAZE.

re: #36 restitutor orbis

Check out this story:

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

interesting thing is, at the end of his diatribe, this moron Proclaims "Obama in '08!" Saw it on ESPN this morning.........

Of course now the bought and owned media won't report it.....

heres the original, the bit of wisdom can be heard at about 1:40

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Another reason I hate the NBA - filled with players that hate/dis America.

re: #36 restitutor orbis

Alas the video is gone.

re: #32 EIDE_Interface

Thanks for the link. I was just trying to figure out why you had so many downdings in such a short period.

re: #42 freetoken

Thanks for the link. I was just trying to figure out why you had so many downdings in such a short period.

What is a downdings?

Yeah, the guy in the YouTube video, Josh Howard....I've hated him even before he opened his mouth to spew his garbage.

re: #37 EIDE_Interface

Thats only because we are wise in the powers of the right. I think I have only seen a couple posts you have made that weren't whining or whinging about how McCain is doing so poorly.

re: #43 EIDE_Interface

What is a downdings?

The "-" sign in the ding machine.... your post #17 sunk to a -3 so quickly, so I figured you must have said something offensive.

re: #27 Syrah

You might have seen this.

Memo to US Secret Service: Net proxy may pinpoint Palin email hackers.

In the Hackers note from the link that you posted, he said used only the one proxy. It turns out that proxy keeps a log.

Hacker is toast.

I can't remember now where I saw it, but it sounded like the owner of the proxy was going to help investigators, and that there was a screenshot of the entire proxy information in the browser was going to make it that much easier to look up the logs. This hacker is indeed toast.

re: #46 freetoken

Gotten to be a habit for some of us late nighters. :)

re: #22 Rancher

Hopefully the hacker gets caught. The original site it showed up on tried to do the right thing but can any of the reposters be prosecuted? Like Huffington?

with the SS on the j*b, i'd not want to be someone who poasted this info....

smart guess is that they'll have no such agency run down the computer stuff, and right after that, your cracker ass is going for a ride......

/it's a damn shame. %-)

Video: The story behind the financial crisis

re: #47 Sharmuta

I can't remember now where I saw it, but it sounded like the owner of the proxy was going to help investigators, and that there was a screenshot of the entire proxy information in the browser was going to make it that much easier to look up the logs. This hacker is indeed toast.

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I think it's linked on InstaPundit and/or Hot Air. Too tired to look. It's off to bed.

re: #23 EIDE_Interface

I'll listen to my alt-rock instead.

one of your primary problems is that you just don't listen.

/pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious.

re: #31 freedomplow

If Obama uses what happened in Iraq today as an opportunity to advance his political career, I want his ass nailed to the wall and don't stop nailing!

What happened in Iraq? The crash?

re: #42 freetoken

Some of us are just weary of the defeatism.

re: #54 Sharmuta

Some of us are just weary of the defeatism.

I'm not the only one:Powerline outlines WaPost bias

Will McCain listen to the NRO Editors:

NRO Economic Strategy for McCain

re: #55 EIDE_Interface

I'm not the only one:Powerline outlines WaPost bias

Sorry- that wasn't defeatism from Powerline.

I tried so hard to find dirt on Palin. And I did. On her shoes.

I bet the Obama camp wishes they hadn't made such a big deal about McCain's e-mail.

re: #57 Sharmuta

Sorry- that wasn't defeatism from Powerline.

But it sure is whining isn't it? Are Powerline mobies too?

This is weeks old, don't know how I missed this, Charles probably had a thread.

British Deal With al-Sadr Betrayed Iraqi People.

The news about a secret deal between the British and anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr did not come as a surprise to us. Britain’s war policy has been clear for the past several years: the country demonstrated no readiness to make sustained efforts in a prolonged war, nor did it act as a serious partner determined to win the conflict.

There are three aspects in this British betrayal. First, striking a deal with the enemy; second, selling an Iraqi city to the enemy of their Iraqi hosts and partners; and third, by not informing their American partners of their plans, enabling the U.S. military’s reliance on an untrustworthy partner — something the British military leadership turned out to be.

re: #60 EIDE_Interface

You got to get your filters fixed. That article was talking about how WaPost is burying Obama stories to ramp up attacks on McCain. No defeatism, just showing the bias of the paper.

re: #55 EIDE_Interface

I'm not the only one:Powerline outlines WaPost bias

The Post has no headlines or stories about Obama. It probably recognizes that, as John noted today, Obama is a spent force in any positive sense, and that the best it can do for him now is to remove the spotlight while amping up the attacks on McCain.

The story about McCain "embracing regulation after many years of opposition" appears on page 1. Author Michael Shear, who has emerged as a top anti-McCain hatchet man for the Post (he also wrote the silly BlackBerry piece), makes no mention of the fact that in 2005, McCain cosponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act, the strongest legislation introduced up to that time to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Given recent developments, no fair story about McCain's position on regulation could omit this fact. But Shear (who was assisted on the story by fellow Democratic partisan Anne Kornblut) was not about to let it stand in the way of his hit piece, as the Washington Post pursues its relentless campaign to help elect Barack Obama.

Panic in the aisles.

re: #63 pat

It seems to be a panicky type post from them.

In the sense it's just complaining about the awful MSM(yeah we know they're evil), but proposes no solutions.

re: #64 EIDE_Interface

I'm now starting to think you also have comprehension issues.

re: #65 EIDE_Interface

In the sense it's just complaining about the awful MSM(yeah we know they're evil), but proposes no solutions.

Is it their job to propose solutions?

re: #66 Sharmuta

I'm now starting to think you also have comprehension issues.

Who is the NRO article supposed to convince except conservatives who already know it? How do we expose the MSM to swing-voters who think the MSM is at least "OK"? I'd think part of the solution is to go onto college campuses and spread the word, but who can spare the time.

Been watching The President's Analyst on TCM. Very weird but funny movie.

"I've never been to a country where everyone didn't hate the phone company."

re: #64 EIDE_Interface

It seems to be a panicky type post from them.

I disagree. I think they are afraid to keep up the messiah bs. It has worn out. Everyone now realizes he is an idiot that will destroy the American econmy, savings and industry. So they must bad mouth McCain. Orders are in . Believe me, these stories are being written in Obama headquarters and fed to the Post. I know the pattern. Way too tight. Panic.

re: #64 EIDE_Interface

It seems to be a panicky type post from them.

kinda meshes with your SOP.....

Ok, so people actually do believe the MSM is shilling for Obama:

Rasmussen Poll on Media

lol

re: #68 EIDE_Interface

Who is the NRO article supposed to convince except conservatives who already know it? How do we expose the MSM to swing-voters who think the MSM is at least "OK"? I'd think part of the solution is to go onto college campuses and spread the word, but who can spare the time.

talking to college students is less fruitful than trying to teach a pig to sing.

/it's right up there with reasoning with Mobys........

This is hilarious from "FAIR":

FAIR disputes MSM is shill for Obama

How a myth is made
Unsurprisingly, the public has come to believe these repeated declarations of media bias. A Rasmussen poll (Rasmussen Reports, 7/19/08) found that 49 percent of respondents believe that reporters will try to help Obama win, while 14 percent believe most will try to help McCain. Strikingly, “45 percent say that most reporters would hide information if it hurt the candidate they wanted to win,” while only 30 percent disagree.

Such polls reveal the power of the right-wing media in America. The myth of the pro-Obama media is the same as the myth of the liberal press, and it has been created by a standard strategy: Right-wing pundits declare repeatedly and vociferously that the media are biased in favor of liberals; centrist media pundits, who generally prefer critiques from the right because they don’t make a structural challenge to their work, concede that they have a point; and progressive critics, excluded from both the pro-establishment and the right-wing talkshows that dominate the media, go unheard

So FAIR doesn't dispute the poll itself, but insinuates that right-wing talk radio has lied to the people about the MSM. Yeah right, good luck with that.

re: #68 EIDE_Interface

Who is the NRO article supposed to convince except conservatives who already know it? How do we expose the MSM to swing-voters who think the MSM is at least "OK"? I'd think part of the solution is to go onto college campuses and spread the word, but who can spare the time.

I think part of the solution is exposing the bias- which Powerline is doing, as is Charles and countless other bloggers who you insult by calling "panicky" and think that they have to do more by offering solutions. But you're too busy to be part of the solution, right? Much easier to whine and wring your hands over it.

Hey Charlie Gibson! Can I read your guestions to Obama again? I want to memorize number 5. "Do yah love your grandma?"
Nice glasses, BTW. I bet you are sooooooo smart!

re: #72 EIDE_Interface

Old news. Why do you think there is such a huge ground swell of support for McCain/Palin.

/lipstick?

re: #76 Sharmuta

I think part of the solution is exposing the bias- which Powerline is doing, as is Charles and countless other bloggers who you insult by calling "panicky" and think that they have to do more by offering solutions. But you're too busy to be part of the solution, right? Much easier to whine and wring your hands over it.

Hey, everyone in my family is voting for McCain and (R) downticket. We are doing are part. I gave $50 to Dino Rossi and another $50 to McCain.

Libs are delusional about MSM:

Netroots push back against MSM 'bias'

For those on the left, the more operative words these days are “mainstream,” “establishment,” or “traditional.” And if one is feeling particularly aggrieved, the description of choice is increasingly — and surprisingly — “conservative.”

ROFL.

Basically I think for liberals, anything to the right of Daily Kos is "conservative".

"What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away".

They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.

Saul Alinsky,
ZerObama Guru

Thirteen years after Alinsky died, some of his former students hired Barack Obama to a $13,000 a year job as a community organizer in South Chicago. In a few years he became very skilled in the Alinsky Method of community organizing and became an instructor and teacher of the Alinsky Method to other community organizers.

Chuck Hagel slams Palin

Do we really need RINOs like this? Hagel - change your designiation to a (D) already. DIA(Democrat in Action).

Obama seems to have shored himself up in the polls and is either barely leading or virtually tied.

I find myself feeling profoundly uncomfortable with the realization that the economy is flooded with possibly uncollectible debt at the federal, state, local and commercial level, and an inexperienced, naive, self-deceiving, stunningly narcissistic America-hating marxist with backing from two very wealthy people (Soros and Buffett) behind him might actually become president, while the mortal threat of a death-worshipping civilization that wants to drag the world back to the days when illiterate unwashed masses bowed in terror before bloodthirsty, wrathful gods is completely misunderstood and ignored by that same Marxist and the people who elected him.

I'm hardly a panic-monger, but I really, really feel uncomfortable with the above nightmare coming true. I simply can't imagine a greater cataclysm, other than the sun going nova or Mars colliding with the earth.

Any bargain stock tips from lizards who trade? I've been viewing the energy (oil, natural gas & pipelines), transportation (railways & open sea shipping), mining (copper, gold, coal & platinum) sectors and utilities while totally overlooking things like real-estate, finance, retail and tech.

/Still pretty new to this, but the way some prices are I figured now might be as good a time to buy as any

re: #84 StudSupreme

Careful... You're not allowed to sow panic.

re: #60 EIDE_Interface

But it sure is whining isn't it? Are Powerline mobies too?

Please stop with the doom and gloom/woe is us meme! The MSM is in the tank for Obama - we've known that for 18 months now when they helped him basically cheat his way in the caucus/primary season and helped him beat Hillary. We see it every day. No need to remind us of it all the time! It's not something that can be changed right now, so there is no need to get in a dither over it.

The point to keep in mind, though, is this: after 8 years of GWB (who is despised by the media and the left), a Republican candidate who is not in the springtime of his life and who has lost many conservatives because of his immigration stance, and a VP pick who is now more reviled than Bush ever thought of being - we're still either a point or two ahead or tied in most polls.

Republican candidates always bloom late, usually within a couple weeks of the election. I read while ago that at this point in the 2004 election, Jon Kerry was ahead in the polls by 14%. And.He.Lost.

Here - this is a map that will make you feel better. It's from Dick Morris, and it should make you feel better.

Now you can get some sleep tonight!

re: #85 Fenway_Nation

I'm not an expert but I'm sticking with cash for now. It's going to be while before I'm going to put money back in the market.

I hate Hagel. He is so strange.

The bigger picture is not whether McCain can win or not, it's why do most Americans want government to save them. Until we can answer that question, we can't turn around America.

re: #89 pat

I hate Hagel. He is so strange.

Also an antisemite to boot.

re: #79 EIDE_Interface

Hey, everyone in my family is voting for McCain and (R) downticket. We are doing are part. I gave $50 to Dino Rossi and another $50 to McCain.

I just saw one of Rossi's ads on the tube tonight. Didn't like it. It rubs me wrong to here a Republican talk about reaching out across the isle to the Democrats.

The only time that Democrats reach across the aisle to Republicans is when they think they can pop the Republicans in the nose.

I want to hear about how Gov. Rossi would order the whole State audited from top to bottom. Just the talk of an audit will give the Dems in this State a serious brown shorts problem.

re: #85 Fenway_Nation

If you're really looking for tips you can ask 3 wood. He knows a few things about some stuff.

re: #90 EIDE_Interface

Ummm, most Americans want the government out of their lives. What you are hearing is the vocal minority.

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Right now, my 'portfolio' consists of some US Savings bonds and some silver.

I talked myself out of precious metals earlier this month.

/Aaargh!

re: #94 BlueCanuck

Ummm, most Americans want the government out of their lives. What you are hearing is the vocal minority.

I don't believe that for a second. If so, we'd already disband SocSec, Medicare, Americorps, etc... Why are we spending $3 trillion on the federal level if most Americans are against government?

re: #95 Fenway_Nation

My portfolio consists of a bank account.

re: #86 EIDE_Interface

Careful... You're not allowed to sow panic.

Are you admitting that's what you're trying to do?

re: #98 Sharmuta

Are you admitting that's what you're trying to do?

No, I'm just very concerned citizen. But I do admit whining has no point.

re: #58 pat

I tried so hard to find dirt on Palin. And I did. On her shoes.

/the Naughty Monkey Double Dare Pumps?

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

Whoops....left out the Certificate of Deposit at one of the local credit unions (4.91% to 5% APY).

Interestingly, I'm not hearing word one about credit unions during this whole IndyFreddyMacWaMuAIG fiasco. I'd like to think they're in reasonably good shape at this time because they haven't overextended themselves like some of the larger banks have.

/could be wishful thinking, tho.

re: #101 Fenway_Nation

With all this lost money, I'm perfectly satisfied to be making my meager 2% on a checking account right now. Keeping assets is the deal right now.

re: #84 StudSupreme

Obama seems to have shored himself up in the polls and is either barely leading or virtually tied.

I find myself feeling profoundly uncomfortable with the realization that the economy is flooded with possibly uncollectible debt at the federal, state, local and commercial level, and an inexperienced, naive, self-deceiving, stunningly narcissistic America-hating marxist with backing from two very wealthy people (Soros and Buffett) behind him might actually become president, while the mortal threat of a death-worshipping civilization that wants to drag the world back to the days when illiterate unwashed masses bowed in terror before bloodthirsty, wrathful gods is completely misunderstood and ignored by that same Marxist and the people who elected him.

I'm hardly a panic-monger, but I really, really feel uncomfortable with the above nightmare coming true. I simply can't imagine a greater cataclysm, other than the sun going nova or Mars colliding with the earth.

that's why you have 75 poasts.....

SEC adopts rules against naked short-selling

Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.

Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.

re: #90 EIDE_Interface

The bigger picture is not whether McCain can win or not, it's why do most Americans want government to save them. Until we can answer that question, we can't turn around America.

ikf you actually have to ask that question, you'll never grok the answer.

re: #104 freedomplow

SEC adopts rules against naked short-selling

Good for them.

/seeing that it's always been against the law already

Keep investing, wisely.
Buy gold and silver.
Buy guns and ammunition.

Power to the Correct People!
(They are prepared, not dependent.)

re: #105 karmic_inquisitor

Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.

Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.

Sometimes I think our entire economy is one gigantic pyramid scheme all set to collapse. Isn't everything dependent on the financial services sector?

re: #104 freedomplow

SEC adopts rules against naked short-selling

It is meant to stop the momentum. Hilldebeast wants all shorting banned, which is a stupid idea, IMO.

re: #106 redc1c4

ikf you actually have to ask that question, you'll never grok the answer.

Actually I know the answer, it was more of rhetorical question. Most people don't have what it takes to be rugged individualists - so they run to mommy(government) when the chips are down.

re: #96 EIDE_Interface

I don't believe that for a second. If so, we'd already disband SocSec, Medicare, Americorps, etc... Why are we spending $3 trillion on the federal level if most Americans are against government?

a reasonably intelligent person wouldn't have to ask that question....

/they'd know the answer.

re: #112 redc1c4

a reasonably intelligent person wouldn't have to ask that question....

/they'd know the answer.

See #111.

re: #105 karmic_inquisitor

Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.

Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.

i was thinking that EIG @ $4 was a deal, at least short term.

Smells like paulbot.

re: #115 Sharmuta

With no Paulblimp to fly

re: #110 karmic_inquisitor

It is meant to stop the momentum. Hilldebeast wants all shorting banned, which is a stupid idea, IMO.

that's why she announced it...............

/she's never came up with a smart one %-)

Again, I find myself with so few thoughts, yet so little to say. Later all.

re: #109 EIDE_Interface

Sometimes I think our entire economy is one gigantic pyramid scheme all set to collapse. Isn't everything dependent on the financial services sector?

No.

Is your dry cleaners? how about your plumber?

Most businesses are small businesses that operate out of 1 or 2 bank accounts and have a line of credit with a personal guarantee.

The "titans" that are biting the dust were playing games with derivatives and credit swaps that amounted to ponzi schemes. They deserve to die. When they die that doesn't mean the stocks people bought through them go away (they don't) and it doesn't mean all banking goes away (plenty of banks never played in these "markets").

It means some self adoring bozos got what was coming to them. unfortunately, many around those bozos get hurt too, but it doesn't bring the world to an end.

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

With no Paulblimp to fly

We don't need no stinkin' Blimps!

NOPaulians!

re: #8 itellu3times

Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.

Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?

re: #119 karmic_inquisitor

Lots of private equity will dry up in the short term causing lack of funding to IPOs and would-be start ups in the tech sector. I work in that sector, so I'm very keen on what happens in the high-finance area.

re: #119 karmic_inquisitor

Oh - it also means that NYC real estate will finally deflate.

re: #121 JustMyView

Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?

Both Democrats and Republicans are in on the scam about Freddie and Fannie with a few exceptions(McCain).

Well, Suze Orman said the other night that we were almost certainly on the brink of a depression. Don't know what that's worth, if anything, but it is what it is.

re: #123 karmic_inquisitor

Oh - it also means that NYC real estate will finally deflate.

No, NYC is a "world city" which means the world bids on the real estate keeping the prices up. Same thing with SFO.

re: #105 karmic_inquisitor

Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.

Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.

I'm looking for something that's taking a beating yet paying a nice dividend (and a sled, and a toy train set and a Red Ryder BB Gun). Something from a company that's reasonably well-run, but is still being dragged down because of the blowback from the financial sector.

Night pat. Weet dreams.

re: #125 Cartman

Well, Suze Orman said the other night that we were almost certainly on the brink of a depression. Don't know what that's worth, if anything, but it is what it is.

She makes sense talking about micro issues, like personal debts. But with macroeconomics, she's blowing it out of her ass.

re: #121 JustMyView

Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?

Great idea since he and McCain were comprehensively trying to reform Fannie May and Freddie Mac, but were frustrated by the Democrats. Because their legislative introduction pointed out the present possibility.
But I am sure you knew that and intended to broach the same.

Well now, the democrats have come up with a "solution" for Americans who are struggling to pay those high gas prices:

Ride A Bike!

These people insult our collective intelligence with crap like this. My brother will be glad to see this, since he drives 50 miles one way to his office.

re: #121 JustMyView

And tell us why the SEC was asleep at the switch.

"Astroturfing, the new propaganda plague"

New on American Thinker.

"If you're reading this article online, you probably do know about astroturfing, but your friends who are less computer savvy do not: Astroturfing is the attempt to create the feeling of a grassroots movement by planting stories around the web through the use of paid or volunteer spammers."

...... snip

"From the same River North address, Axelrod operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be top secret, from its client roster and revenue to even the number of its employees. But customers and public records confirm that it has quarterbacked campaigns for the Chicago Children's Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T."

.......snip

"On August 30, Little Green Footballs noticed what appeared to be a pro-Palin web site but, in fact, was one clearly designed to turn off her socially conservative supporters:

Suddenly appearing among the Google search results for "sarah palin gay," a web site titled: Sarah Palin Supports Gay Rights."

Interesting.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/astrot urfing_the_new_propagand.html

Has anyone asked Chevy Chased if he's happy about the decimation caused to Sarah Palin by the hacked e-mails?

re: #122 EIDE_Interface

Lots of private equity will dry up in the short term causing lack of funding to IPOs and would-be start ups in the tech sector. I work in that sector, so I'm very keen on what happens in the high-finance area.

IPOs were killed by Sarbanes Oxley.

They died a long time ago. The accounting costs for a public company start at $6 million a year. try taking a company with a gross of $35 million public with that millstone around its neck.

Private Equity doesn't "dry up" btw. Assets are losing value, but cash is unaffected. If an asset you have produces cash, its value will adjust upward once this is over. If it isn't, then you may not have had that valuable of an asset. If you have or are associated with a business that produces a cash flow, you will be fine.

re: #121 JustMyView

Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?

1) The Bush Administration has made statements about this- no one wants to hear from a lame duck.

2) Justifications for the decisions that were made should be coming from Congress. Why did the dems and your boy 0bama stop reforms in 2005?

3) What good would it do for Bush to propose anything now? Any policy that would be passed would still take time to become effective, and it's unlikely Congress would move on it considering we are deep in the election cycle.

Nice try.

re: #121 JustMyView

Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?

Well, your boy Harry Reid sure doesn't know what to do - and that is an almost exact quote coming from him today.

re: #133 pink freud

But does it throb?

re: #115 Sharmuta

A "pro-choice libertarian", no doubt.

Karl Rove absolutely destroyed Alan Colmes tonight with a perfect explanation as to why FannieMae and FreddyMac imploded.

Yeah Mac has some lobbyists working with him, but Obama is going to have some explainin to do.

Wait a few days for it to get really good.

If McCain wants to save his campaign, he better in the next few days hammer home the following points:

* no more bailouts
* no tax increases, highlighting Obama as tax increaser
* keep pounding his energy plan, while painting Obama as "no energy" plan

and do it immediately.

re: #125 Cartman

Ain't worth crap. Supposedly we're in a recession now although the numbers don't back that up. Jobs are out there, if you can't get one I'll get you one. Inflation's peeked with oil and the markets adjusting for the perfidy of the financial sector. Good time to buy.

re: #138 Fenway_Nation

Beware throbbing propaganda plagues!

I'd imagine folks in the states of Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia are going to be seeing some nice, juicy ads in the next few days.

Might even see a few of them up in New York and New Jersey.

re: #142 Rancher

Ain't worth crap. Supposedly we're in a recession now although the numbers don't back that up. Jobs are out there, if you can't get one I'll get you one. Inflation's peeked with oil and the markets adjusting for the perfidy of the financial sector. Good time to buy.

Well the economy is always fine for people with marketable skills. However, people who simply sit in an office job for 10 years without advancing themselves, suddenly find they're on the street and nobody wants to hire them.

re: #131 Intrepid
$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.

re: #144 Intrepid

I'd imagine folks in the states of Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia are going to be seeing some nice, juicy ads in the next few days.

Might even see a few of them up in New York and New Jersey.

I don't think McCain should throw away money in NY/NJ. Just like Obama has pulled out of GA and other sure-lose states.

re: #125 Cartman

Well, Suze Orman said the other night that we were almost certainly on the brink of a depression. Don't know what that's worth, if anything, but it is what it is.

I would have to ask her "why?"

Is it because NYC is a very small place with a circle of people who are panicked? Finance folks hang out with each other in a very small world. They have the flu. That means everyone on the planet has the flu.

It will be a depression for anyone in the financial services industry, yes.

But fear will give way to greed. People with $ will lend it to businesses that produce cash and are therefore sure to pay it back. Mortgages are still a safe bet when you lend to qualified buyers.

But the people who were tweaking the black-scholes equation and maxed out the credit card doing it are going to feel real pain. And they hang out with folks like Orman and Greenspan.

re: #146 BlueCanuck

$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.

Yeah I don't buy this whole "bike to work" in our modern economy. In the old, old days you lived in the city and took public transportation to the factory. Or you lived in the village and worked on a farm. With housing and modern offices where most people work zoned in such ways as it makes it impossible without cars. A legacy of the 1950s.

re: #144 Intrepid

I'd imagine folks in the states of Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia are going to be seeing some nice, juicy ads in the next few days.

Might even see a few of them up in New York and New Jersey.

Don't forget MN is tied.

re: #148 karmic_inquisitor

Anyone who leverages themselves 10:1, 15:1, 20:1 deserves to be impaled.

re: #141 EIDE_Interface

Are you in a state that is in play right now? If so, you may be seeing some of those ads. If not, like me, you probably won't see many of them, if any at all. Everything is focused on the battle ground states. If you're from a solid blue or a solid red - sorry.

I wish I could see some of them too, but my state is solid red and have no senators in jeopardy, so I don't want them throwing any money into our media markets.

Hey what does all this mean for the Greenspan legacy?

From the Wall Street Journal today:

Barney's Rubble
In fact, Mr. Frank was publicly arguing for an increase in the size of their combined $1.4 trillion portfolios right up to the day they were bailed out. Even now, after he's been proven wrong about a taxpayer guarantee, he opposes Treasury's planned reduction in the size of the portfolios starting in 2010, according to a quote attributed to him in this newspaper last week. "Good luck on that," he reportedly said. Mr. Frank's spokeswoman hung up the phone when we sought confirmation Tuesday.

In a few days it will be very clear who is to blame for the recent financial problems. Democrats.

re: #151 EIDE_Interface

Anyone who leverages themselves 10:1, 15:1, 20:1 deserves to be impaled.

As do the clowns who lent them the money.

re: #147 EIDE_Interface

I don't think McCain should throw away money in NY/NJ. Just like Obama has pulled out of GA and other sure-lose states.

I don't think McCain should listen to any of your advice.

re: #146 BlueCanuck

$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.

and extra food, plus being funky when you got to w*rk and double funky when you got home, plus bad weather, and people deliberately trying to hit you with their cars (happened to me, i was chased even), plus......

riding a bike is impractical for most people.

re: #152 Intrepid

You can see most of the ads at McCain's website.

re: #152 Intrepid

Yup, in WA state. I just love living in a battleground.... Oh joy.

re: #146 BlueCanuck

$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.

This little addition the dems made to that bill is insulting to people in rural areas. How can they expect people to commute 70 miles round trip on a bicycle?

re: #153 tokyobk

Hey what does all this mean for the Greenspan legacy?

Bad things. The Clintons wanted homeownership to go up from the historic 65% to 70%. It got to 69%.

All that for 4% more.

Looks like the govt should stick with 65%

The only thing is that I don't have a cable TV, so any ads I see are on the internet.

re: #140 Racer X

Karl Rove absolutely destroyed Alan Colmes tonight with a perfect explanation as to why FannieMae and FreddyMac imploded.

Yeah Mac has some lobbyists working with him, but Obama is going to have some explainin to do.

Wait a few days for it to get really good.

I hope that vid shows up at youtube- I'd love to see it.

re: #145 EIDE_Interface

I'm talking unskilled. The prison needs all kinds of staff and I'm not going back anytime soon. The hotel where I "work", (I'm working now), needs help. So does Denny's next door. The trucking industry is always hurting and will pay for your schooling. Law enforcement and I think Firefighters get paid while at their trainingg academies and are always hurting.

re: #161 karmic_inquisitor

Bad things. The Clintons wanted homeownership to go up from the historic 65% to 70%. It got to 69%.

All that for 4% more.

Looks like the govt should stick with 65%

You mean home-debtorship. I wonder what the average equity is among those "owners".

re: #150 Sharmuta

Don't forget MN is tied.

Ooh, forgot that one!

re: #147 EIDE_Interface

I don't think McCain should throw away money in NY/NJ. Just like Obama has pulled out of GA and other sure-lose states.

then Obanal; should just go ahead and pull out......

/it's too bad his daddy didn't. %-)

re: #164 Rancher

I'm talking unskilled. The prison needs all kinds of staff and I'm not going back anytime soon. The hotel where I "work", (I'm working now), needs help. So does Denny's next door. The trucking industry is always hurting and will pay for your schooling. Law enforcement and I think Firefighters get paid while at their trainingg academies and are always hurting.

The people you talk to - what % leans Obama?

re: #149 EIDE_Interface

Never said it wasn't feasible. I just said the tax break given is a joke. If that's the incentive they are going to give. I bet if I had a reasonable bike I could save money in the spring to fall period. A 6 mile commute would only take half an hour to 45 minutes with the traffic. Almost as along as it currently takes me by public transit. There are some office buildings in my neighborhood downtown that have showers and change facilities for people who do that.

re: #161 karmic_inquisitor

Bad things. The Clintons wanted homeownership to go up from the historic 65% to 70%. It got to 69%.

All that for 4% more.

Looks like the govt should stick with 65%

Oh thanks. I have looked at your comments on this before so I appreciate your insights.

re: #156 Sharmuta

I don't think McCain should listen to any of your advice.

So you think McCain should spend money in NY/NJ?

re: #165 EIDE_Interface

You mean home-debtorship. I wonder what the average equity is among those "owners".

our's is rocking......

quit whining: your apartment may go condo and you can buy in then.

re: #169 BlueCanuck

Never said it wasn't feasible. I just said the tax break given is a joke. If that's the incentive they are going to give. I bet if I had a reasonable bike I could save money in the spring to fall period. A 6 mile commute would only take half an hour to 45 minutes with the traffic. Almost as along as it currently takes me by public transit. There are some office buildings in my neighborhood downtown that have showers and change facilities for people who do that.

What is the health downside to breathing exhaust fumes compared to breathing in a internally air circulated car? For exercise, one can always bike around the neighborhood at 6AM when there is no traffic and on weekends. The exhaust is a real problem.

re: #163 Sharmuta

I hope that vid shows up at youtube- I'd love to see it.

Its there - someone posted it here earlier.

re: #158 Sharmuta

You can see most of the ads at McCain's website.

True - the McCain Campaign created ones. I really want to see the 527 ads. Those are the most bloody, usually.

I wonder if some Rothschild or Trump money will be paying for any ads any time soon?

re: #172 redc1c4

our's is rocking......

quit whining: your apartment may go condo and you can buy in then.

Um, I am mortgaging a condo right now. Paid 20% down.

re: #168 EIDE_Interface

In NM? Around here maybe 60% to 75% Obama. Statewide 50%-50%.

re: #173 EIDE_Interface

If you are going to worry about a little thing like exhaust, you are doomed to perpetual whinging. Builds character and is only bad on really hot and muggy days.

/now if I could only find that SOB that stole my bike. . . . . .

re: #159 EIDE_Interface

Yup, in WA state. I just love living in a battleground.... Oh joy.

Yes, you are quite the joy monger, aren't you?/

You won't be able to keep up this much angst for the next six weeks or you'll go crazy. It's still an eternity away, and anything and everything can change in a moment. For bad or for good.

Like it or not McCain has the reputation to tell everyone to F off...

Obama will act tough and Biden will not admit that he wanted to segregate Iraq.

The experience of McCain trumps everything.

re: #177 Rancher

In NM? Around here maybe 60% to 75% Obama. Statewide 50%-50%.

You mean 60-75% in Santa Fe?

re: #180 freedomplow

Like it or not McCain has the reputation to tell everyone to F off...

Obama will act tough and Biden will not admit that he wanted to segregate Iraq.

The experience of McCain trumps everything.

If McCain actually uses it.

re: #179 Intrepid

Yes, you are quite the joy monger, aren't you?/

You won't be able to keep up this much angst for the next six weeks or you'll go crazy. It's still an eternity away, and anything and everything can change in a moment. For bad or for good.

Technically 6 weeks and 5 days to go. The next 3-4 days are actually very critical for McCain to hit back at Obama. If he just allows Obama's attacks unanswered, he's done.

Jamie Gorelick, Mistress of Disaster
It's not often that one person plays key roles in two -- count 'em, two -- trillion-dollar disasters. Welcome, my friends, to the world of well-connected Democrat Jamie Gorelick.

Though she had no training or experience in finance, Gorelick was appointed the Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae and served in the role from 1997 to 2003. During that six-year period, she earned over $26 million.

During Gorelick's tenure, FNMA suffered a $10 billion accounting scandal, an ominous harbinger of the firm's looming troubles. One of the falsified transactions helped FNMA hit earnings targets for 1998, which triggered bonuses for top executives including nearly $800,000 to Gorelick.

In 2002 Business Week interviewed Gorelick concerning the health of FNMA. She responded, "We believe we are managed safely. We are very pleased that Moody's gave us an A-minus in the area of bank financial strength -- without a reference to the government in any way. Fannie Mae is among the handful of top-quality institutions."

Less than a year later regulators "accused Fannie Mae of improper accounting to the tune of $9 billion in unrecorded losses."

World Central Banks Coordinate Cash Pumps

re: #180 freedomplow

...and Biden will not admit that he wanted to segregate Iraq.

Isn't he still pushing for that? I seem to remember some Iraqi official calling him to task for that just recently.

re: #183 EIDE_Interface

Technically 6 weeks and 5 days to go. The next 3-4 days are actually very critical for McCain to hit back at Obama. If he just allows Obama's attacks unanswered, he's done.

So....he should hit back, but not in NY/NJ, right?

re: #181 EIDE_Interface

More like 95% in Santa Fe. I'm in a poor county, lots of government dependent voters.

re: #186 Rancher

He said it wasn't true and he was misunderstood.

re: #187 Sharmuta

So....he should hit back, but not in NY/NJ, right?

So you think he can have a downticket effect, but not win the states themselves? Otherwise, what's the rationale?

re: #188 Rancher

More like 95% in Santa Fe. I'm in a poor county, lots of government dependent voters.

Amazing that Bush won it in 2004. Must have been his Mexican pandering.

re: #183 EIDE_Interface

Technically 6 weeks and 5 days to go. The next 3-4 days are actually very critical for McCain to hit back at Obama. If he just allows Obama's attacks unanswered, he's done.

Yes, and the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac thing just really came out on Monday, Lehman Bros was yesterday, AIG today. It does take a bit of time to get ad copy written and produced, and then farmed out to media outlets.

Do you want some sloppy, half-assed commercial that has no substance? Or do you want good, facts-based, take no prisoners pieces? Why do you think the dems have been particularly silent (except for Obama, of course, and Nancy Pelosi, who couldn't keep her trap shut to save her life) these last three days? Why would Harry Reid admit that he didn't know what to do about the crisis, instead of instinctively blame it all on George Bush?

Harry Reid knows the democrats are mostly to blame for a good deal of it, and that can be backed up by voting records.

Give it time and stop with the panic!

The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."

As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.

Franklin Raines is currently one of Barack Obama's chief economic advisers.

re: #191 EIDE_Interface

Southern NM is pretty conservative. Even so NM wasn't called for months because it was so close. (And the Dem in charge is an idiot)

re: #192 Intrepid

Sure I know that good ads take at least a few days to throw together. But I'm expecting some hard hitting speeches from McCain the next 4 days. He HAS to dominate the news cycle for a change. Wouldn't hurt to have Palin talking about energy issues and stop talking about "greedy Wall St. executives".

re: #184 Racer X

re: #193 Racer X

It took me all of about 10 minutes to find the smoking gun on who caused this economic disaster we now face.

Love the internets.

re: #194 Rancher

Southern NM is pretty conservative. Even so NM wasn't called for months because it was so close. (And the Dem in charge is an idiot)

Well, maybe McCain can win Michigan & PA to make up for NM and IA loss.

re: #194 Rancher

Southern NM is pretty conservative. Even so NM wasn't called for months because it was so close. (And the Dem in charge is an idiot)

Didn't one of your towns have to do a card draw to determine the winner of the Mayor's race?

/or was that a really wacky dream I had...

re: #196 Racer X

re: #193 Racer X

It took me all of about 10 minutes to find the smoking gun on who caused this economic disaster we now face.

Love the internets.

Al Gore!

All this seems to be taking attention away from Obama's Logan violation.

re: #190 EIDE_Interface

My rationale? Keep making 0bama pay to stay competitive in states he should be winning but are now slipping away from him. Make him pay with dollars and precious time- he's running out of both.

What's YOUR rationale? I mean, other than the sky is falling.

re: #201 Sharmuta

My rationale? Keep making 0bama pay to stay competitive in states he should be winning but are now slipping away from him. Make him pay with dollars and precious time- he's running out of both.

What's YOUR rationale? I mean, other than the sky is falling.

Do you honestly think Obama will spend additional money in NY/NJ because McCain does? I think the strategy is better employed in blue states that Obama isn't dominant in, like Wisconsin. Make him defend that.

re: #202 EIDE_Interface

Do you honestly think Obama will spend additional money in NY/NJ because McCain does? I think the strategy is better employed in blue states that Obama isn't dominant in, like Wisconsin. Make him defend that.

Why? NY is within 5.

re: #200 Rancher

Just like the GOP convention, Hurricane Gustav and McCain's selection of Palin seemed to take attention away from Obama's association with Ayers.

/Seriously....is there a bad time to revisit this?

Why McCain is doing well in Michigan

re: #203 Sharmuta

Why? NY is within 5.

Rasmussen poll gives Obama +13 lead in NY State

I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have noticed there is some discussion of stocks going on. I like/and have been buying railroads. they seem more resistant to high energy prices (compared to trucking) and usually pay a dividend. Dividend-paying stocks are important to me. Dividends can't be faked or be a victim of 'creative bookkeeping'. The company has to produce the dividend money every 3 months. I view this as a sign of the company's good financial health.

I hope you all will permit me to re-post a comment I wrote on the previous thread. What I wrote means a lot to me and I want it to be well known among the lizards. When you read it you will understand why. Here I go:

I want to go off-topic for a minute and talk about something that came to my attention today. I spend more time in the lounge then here on the threads, but some lizards have been expressing concern about my financial health due to all the market swings lately. Yes, I am a day-trader and yes my stock portfolio has taken a small hit , but nothing massive and ruinous. In fact, I have been on the stock-trading sidelines the last few weeks because I know that conditions like this usually cause more losses then gains. I just wanted to say that I am truly touched that fellow lizards would express this much concern for someone they have never meet ( I have only meet about 5 lizards in person). this concern means a great deal to me. I think this concern is a reflection on Charles, the great site he has built, and the wonderful people this site attracts. Again, thanks for your concern for me.

CDWT

re: #203 Sharmuta

Why? NY is within 5.

What I mean is- make 0bama defend everything. Why not put pressure on NY? Make 0bama pay to keep what he's got.

re: #208 Sharmuta

What I mean is- make 0bama defend everything. Why not put pressure on NY? Make 0bama pay to keep what he's got.

Yeah except those Democrats in NY/NJ would rather die then ever vote for a Republican. They're just so far gone mentally speaking, it matters not to them that they've entrusted state government to Democrats for so long, they don't care. Now Michigan is a different story, more Midwest values at work.

re: #201 Sharmuta

Obama's money troubles are going to force him to go off the trail quite often and beg for more cash. And I'm expecting to hear of an ad about last night's Hollywood extravaganza very soon, complete with quotes.

And look at the big money folks McCain picked up just today - Donald Trump (billionaire) and Lynne Forester de Rothschild (gajillionaire, with friends who also have gajillions of dollars).

Today was a good day for Mccain, over all. Got those two new major endorsements, and Palin took part in her first Townhall Meeting today, and by all accounts did quite well. And she had her second media interview on Fox's H&C, which is #2 in the ratings nowadays.

re: #209 EIDE_Interface

Best part of this whole mess that's the Obama campaign? He's not funding a lot of senatorial campaigns on the trail. Might see a big shift come November in Washington.

re: #206 EIDE_Interface

Siena has 5.

re: #198 Intrepid

Didn't one of your towns have to do a card draw to determine the winner of the Mayor's race?

Estancia, NM.

"I wanted five card draw, she wanted to roll the dice," said Farrington, a sandwich shop owner who was appointed mayor 2 1/2 years ago. "So we flipped a coin to see what game would be played. She lost the flip, we played five-card draw and I won with ace high."

re: #212 Sharmuta

Siena has 5.

It looks like the poll was done somewhere near Albany, not the whole state. That's more GOP country.

re: #207 chicagodudewhotrades

I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have noticed there is some discussion of stocks going on. I like/and have been buying railroads. they seem more resistant to high energy prices (compared to trucking) and usually pay a dividend.

I was thinking it was just me who believed that. Geez...even short-haul Providence & Worcester pays a dividend. Problem is, IMHO, not enough railways are publicly traded....of course you have companies like Union Pacific or Canadian National to blame for that for gobbling up other Class 1 long-haul railways as well as various reigonal carriers.

re: #207 chicagodudewhotrades

Warren Buffet likes railroads.

re: #214 EIDE_Interface

As I've said before, in any scenario in which McCain wins NY State, he would be on his way nationwide to a 300+ Electoral College tally. NY is a very Blue state.

re: #209 EIDE_Interface

You are missing the biggest part of this story.

/and if that trend continues, Obama has problems in NY, NJ, PA and FL...
//from my lips to G-d's ears!

re: #211 BlueCanuck

Best part of this whole mess that's the Obama campaign? He's not funding a lot of senatorial campaigns on the trail. Might see a big shift come November in Washington.

Let's see: Obama picked up about 10 mil last night in Hollywood, and had a record month in August, taking in 66 mil. But his burn rate is 80% per month, so by the end of September, he'll be hurting for more cash.

John McCain and the RNC has 300 mil, and will probably be taking in much more surrounding the debates.

But the RNC is funneling money to the down tickets, Obama is not. And the DNC is lucky if it has two nickels to rub together after their convention is paid off. Not much help from them for the down tickets.

Susan Estrich tonight on Greta VS said that the reason Obama's blowing through so much cash is because of his bloated staff. And although they may pull out of states they know they can't win, they'll still beef up staff in states they're fighting in. No savings there.

And pardon me if I'm wrong, but I just don't perceive Joe Biden as a big-bucks donor draw.

re: #218 littleoldlady

LoL: nice to see some evidence that Northeast Jews still retain a certain rudimentary instinct for self-preservation . . .

re: #218 littleoldlady

You are missing the biggest part of this story.

/and if that trend continues, Obama has problems in NY, NJ, PA and FL...
//from my lips to G-d's ears!

It would really help that statistic along if Sarah Palin does go to the Anti-Achmadenejad rally in a few days. The one Hillary Clinton backed out on. The one with Elie Weisel.

re: #218 littleoldlady

Morning {littleoldlady}. Welcome to the party.

re: #216 Rancher

I was led to believe that was a byproduct of the ethanol boom. He probably still likes them for slightly different reasons and reportedly has BNSF (stock symbol BNI) and Omaha-based Union Pacific (symbol UNP) in his portfolio.

Aside from Providence & Worcester (PWX) and Canadian Pacific (CP) the railways seem to be riding out this tempest rather nicely.

re: #218 littleoldlady

You are missing the biggest part of this story.

/and if that trend continues, Obama has problems in NY, NJ, PA and FL...
//from my lips to G-d's ears!

Well there was no way Obama was going to win FL anyways. PA is winnable since it was close in 2000/2004. NY/NJ are kool-aid drinkers.

re: #219 Intrepid

He has the largest army of staffers with offices all over the country that's ever been seen. All on the dole with expenses like utilities and rent to boot. Burn is really an apt phrase.

Palin from Michigan townhall on 9/17/08:

Ms. Palin’s best line from tonight’s townhall meeting in Michigan. It’s regarding foreign affairs experience:

“If you want specifics and specific policy or countries, go ahead, you can ask me. You can even play stump-the-candidate if you want,” Palin challenged her questioner.

re: #218 littleoldlady

Maybe Jews are finally looking at who is advising Obama. That or the Jewish push polls are working.

re: #220 Temujin

Temujin! :-)

I actually predicted months ago that McCain would beat Reagan with Jewish voters.

Has Malcolm Hoenlein come out from under his pillow and blankie yet to comment on Hillary being a no-show on Monday's Ahmadinnerjacket protest? Can't wait to see how this one shakes out...

re: #225 Rancher

He has the largest army of staffers with offices all over the country that's ever been seen. All on the dole with expenses like utilities and rent to boot. Burn is really an apt phrase.

And yet, he just cannot climb over that 50% threshold and stay there for more than a few hours.

That says something, indeed.

re: #223 Fenway_Nation

You can only increase truck traffic so much. Look at how many semis are on the road with you next time you're out on the interstate. You just can't fit many more on the roads.

NANCY PELOSI and her natural gas solution

re: #230 Rancher

You can only increase truck traffic so much. Look at how many semis are on the road with you next time you're out on the interstate. You just can't fit many more on the roads.

We need more rail distribution to take pressure off the interstates.

re: #228 littleoldlady

{LoL} : c'mon now, Hillary can't be expected to attend if there's a possibility that Palin might show up!

She might catch cooties or sumpin !

/

re: #233 Temujin

{LoL} : c'mon now, Hillary can't be expected to attend if there's a possibility that Palin might show up!

She might catch cooties or sumpin !

/

You know I thought Hillary was a smart politician, but seeing how much she's shilling for Hussein - she's toast for any POTUS chances in 2012.

re: #232 EIDE_Interface

A trend that is increasing is truck containers on rail cars. Get the cargo close then truck it the rest of the way.

BlueCanuck! :-)

Intrepid! :-)

re: #227 Rancher

Maybe Jews are finally looking at who is advising Obama. That or the Jewish push polls are working.

Rancher! :-)

I had an inkling a couple of months ago when I tried to pick a fight with someone who would normally vote for a Democrat. "Oh no!", she said. "Obama will be bad for Israel!".

/now I just have to get the rest of my shul-mates to start paying attention...

re: #235 Rancher

A trend that is increasing is truck containers on rail cars. Get the cargo close then truck it the rest of the way.

I've read a lot about that, but the problem is decreasing amounts of track and lack of investment in rail cars. This is especially lacking in the West where interstate semi distribution of goods is totally dominant.

re: #234 EIDE_Interface

Hillary is not, shall we say, a natural politician . . .

re: #236 littleoldlady

BlueCanuck! :-)

Intrepid! :-)

Rancher! :-)

I had an inkling a couple of months ago when I tried to pick a fight with someone who would normally vote for a Democrat. "Oh no!", she said. "Obama will be bad for Israel!".

/now I just have to get the rest of my shul-mates to start paying attention...

I know some older Russian Jews who always voted Democrat, until 9/11. Now they always vote Republican.

If somebody wants another positive sign that obambi is in trouble, I have a Rasmussen political markets prediction account. My anti- 'president Obama' contract is a consistent money maker (too bad this is only virtual money). I cash out the position every couple days to book the profit and then re-enter the anti position again. Rasmussen is used by the true political junkies. If they think Obambi is a loser, what does that tell you about his chances?

re: #238 Temujin

Hillary is not, shall we say, a natural politician . . .

She always looks so forced out there. No humor, no real connection with an audience. Think Ronald Reagan and imagine the total opposite. Hillary reminds me of a Soviet apparatchik in a grey pantsuit.

re: #240 chicagodudewhotrades

If somebody wants another positive sign that obambi is in trouble, I have a Rasmussen political markets prediction account. My anti- 'president Obama' contract is a consistent money maker (too bad this is only virtual money). I cash out the position every couple days to book the profit and then re-enter the anti position again. Rasmussen is used by the true political junkies. If they think Obambi is a loser, what does that tell you about his chances?

You are projecting what political junkies think on swing voters who don't even read blogs? I wouldn't extrapolate like that.

re: #230 Rancher

There are some relatively new or expanded reigonal railways (Reading & Northern; Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern; New York, Susquehanna & Western; Montreal, Maine & Atlantic; Paducah & Louisville; Montana Rail Link; Western New York & Pennsylvania not to mention the RJ Corman family of shortlines) that purchase lengthy-but-unwanted sections of track from the long-haul railways and provide a better level of customer-oriented service that the larger railways didn't provide when they were serviceing the industries along the line. I think it's a good business model and think it's a shame that some of these companies aren't publicly traded (with the exception of Providence & Wrocester or the Genessee & Wyoming family of lines).

Part of their marketing strategy is to explain how many tractors trailers a single carload could take off local highways.

re: #242 EIDE_Interface

You have a fair point, but the trend of evidence is pointing to Obambi being in trouble.

re: #241 EIDE_Interface

She always looks so forced out there. No humor, no real connection with an audience. Think Ronald Reagan and imagine the total opposite. Hillary reminds me of a Soviet apparatchik in a grey pantsuit.

She has been compared, in that regard, to her old nemisis, Richard Milhous Nixon. I imagine she finds that particularly galling . . .

re: #245 Temujin

She has been compared, in that regard, to her old nemisis, Richard Milhous Nixon. I imagine she finds that particularly galling . . .

Nixon actually knew what he was talking about wrt policy...

re: #242 EIDE_Interface

You are projecting what political junkies think on swing voters who don't even read blogs? I wouldn't extrapolate like that.

You realize the vast majority of Americans don't read political blogs?

re: #246 EIDE_Interface

True that, but I doubt Hillary would be impressed ; she does not strike me as a "credit-where-credit-is-due" type.

re: #236 littleoldlady

LOL! Any chance in getting some fruitcup a few minutes early? I have got to head to bed!

On second thought, fruitcup wouldn't be good to sleep on. :-)

While we're on an open thread here, I should take this opportunity to mention that I had no idea that Shirley Manson was like....ten years older than me. I wouldn't be surprised if she had some work done, but she's still looking nice.

/I'm sure she's a moonbat and all, but I wouldn't kick her off my lap for singing '#1 Crush'

Intrepid!

Don't you MOVE!

/I counted you in my fruit purchase...

;-)

re: #247 Sharmuta

You realize the vast majority of Americans don't read political blogs?

Fixed that for ya . . .

re: #251 littleoldlady

Intrepid!

Don't you MOVE!

/I counted you in my fruit purchase...

;-)

I guess 5 more minutes won't kill me.

re: #251 littleoldlady

Should I ask how fruitcup futures are faring on Wall St.?

i'm hungry. i'll take a fruit cup if there are any extra

re: #237 EIDE_Interface

It's changing. We even have a train that carries people now!

Good read from RedState about the disgusting Obama ad about immigration/Rush/McCain AND the Palin e-mail hacker things.

Rush might be a great show today!

re: #254 Fenway_Nation

Should I ask how fruitcup futures are faring on Wall St.?

I wouldn't. Last week before the grapefruit hit the fan apples were still $2.49/pound

/that's BEFORE the markup I put on them to sell on the corner...

re: #255 chicagodudewhotrades