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It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.
— Thomas Paine
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Open | Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:01:03 pm PDT
It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.
— Thomas Paine
1285 comments
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:05:08pm |
Torpedo, dead ahead! Heh.
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suboptimal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:06:28pm |
On tonight's episode of "Prison Confidential", rubico meets the roto-plooker.
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:06:56pm |
It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.
— Thomas Paine
You mean like losing your Harvard Doctoral thesis?
Not releasing your medical records?
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itellu3times Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:07:37pm |
Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.
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The Other Les Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:08:16pm |
Air Force Reserve Over Texas.
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]
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redc1c4 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:13:19pm |
re: #8 itellu3times
Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.
if they were to speak at length, the truth that McCain tried to reign things in and the rest of them, Obanal included, said no, we want the money..... would come out.
i'm amazed that i'm actually defending the RINO, but it seems that it was his acorn day when he did that.
/i need several drinks
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:14:10pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Whoa....
Thanks, Sharmuta! I find it interesting that the alleged hacker claimed there was nothing bad to be found in the emails.
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cliffster Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:15:35pm |
re: #8 itellu3times
Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.
they are relying on us. We alone can get the message out, until Rush picks up on it. Once Rush starts talking about it, it's in the national discourse and democrats tart talking about how much they hate it.
The best part is... nobody even knows what "it" is.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:17:16pm |
re: #12 Meremortal
Whoa....
Thanks, Sharmuta! I find it interesting that the alleged hacker claimed there was nothing bad to be found in the emails.
But that's not stopping the msm from spreading the lie she used yahoo for official business. That's really pissing me off.
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:21:08pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
But that's not stopping the msm from spreading the lie she used yahoo for official business. That's really pissing me off.
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I didn't know about that. I've been under the weather for a few days and haven't been following things as closely as usual. I didn't see the interview tonight, but the comments were mainly positive on the other thread. I think this little dip in the polls had to be expected after her rocket launch beginning. I think she has staying power and will be fine.
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itellu3times Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:22:55pm |
re: #13 cliffster
they are relying on us. We alone can get the message out, until Rush picks up on it. Once Rush starts talking about it, it's in the national discourse and democrats tart talking about how much they hate it.
The best part is... nobody even knows what "it" is.
This is the most amazing thing in history, an economic disaster so vast you can't even see the edges, and yet, nobody is even talking about it.
All in good time, or bad time.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:23:30pm |
So far Barack's scorched-earth ads are working.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:23:50pm |
re: #15 Meremortal
You can see the article here:
Hackers broke into the Yahoo! e-mail account that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin used for official business as Alaska's governor, revealing as evidence a few inconsequential personal messages she has received since John McCain selected her as his running mate.
This is not true. There is no evidence to support this claim, and even the hacker is saying they found nothing to verify it, but the msm is promoting it.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:23:51pm |
Barney Frank and company got us into this financial mess.
Nancy Pelosi and her kind cut us off from our own natural resources.
Hollywood ushering in an inexperienced Socialist/Collectivist presidential candidate.
Terrorist wolves are at the door.
You can't make this shit up.
NObama! NEVER! EVER!
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:24:25pm |
re: #17 EIDE_Interface
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Call it a night, Moby.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:26:05pm |
re: #17 EIDE_Interface
You still here? I think you need some happy music.
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Rancher Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:26:37pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
Hopefully the hacker gets caught. The original site it showed up on tried to do the right thing but can any of the reposters be prosecuted? Like Huffington?
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:28:19pm |
re: #21 BlueCanuck
You still here? I think you need some happy music.
I'll listen to my alt-rock instead.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:28:30pm |
re: #8 itellu3times
Perhaps the problem (for the politician, not for the prophet) is that the truth might hurt.
Namely, perhaps Americans are not as rich as we like to pretend we are?
Whether it is the unemployed laborer who "states" his income to get a home loan... or a CEO who pimps his company to bankers knowing full well his company is worthless... it is all a sham.
How can any politician come out to the electorate and say "We've been buying houses that are too big, cars that are too expensive, and many are not working enough for what they area getting paid." Do you think that politician could get elected?
Near me is a large construction site (new school) that is nearing completion.... last night walking by it near sunset a lone workman - a plumber I suppose (he was fitting pipe), was working hard. He probably makes an ok living, but a decent living at that. However, for every one of him, how many others out there are just trying to find 6 figure incomes shuffling papers, or worse, just passing off schemes to others who are shuffling papers or scheming....?
Not that I believe abstract work is worthless - hardly, it is what I have done most of my life. Yet the lifestyles of so many Americans appear to me to be detached from the reality of the physical universe.
/sermon mode = off
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:28:42pm |
re: #18 Sharmuta
Another in a long list...it does raise my hackles to see her treated this way. I'm hoping this personal destruction strategy backfires.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:28:49pm |
Sorry for the "newbie" question, but what is a moby?
I keep seeing that word thrown around lately...
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Syrah Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:28:53pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
You might have seen this.
Memo to US Secret Service: Net proxy may pinpoint Palin email hackers.
In the Hackers note from the link that you posted, he said used only the one proxy. It turns out that proxy keeps a log.
Hacker is toast.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:30:34pm |
re: #17 EIDE_Interface
So far Barack's scorched-earth ads are working.
Count me among the uninformed here.... what "scorched-earth" ads?
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:30:50pm |
re: #24 freetoken
"It's all an illusion."
The Buddah
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:31:06pm |
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freedomplow Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:31:45pm |
Obama runs a campaign of emotional opportunity. He uses the 24 hour news cycle to prey on the emotions of the weak. That needs to be understood.
Obama will take his shots in the morning so the media will play them all day long.
The McCain campaign is going to have learn that this response, while good, has to happen earlier in the day. McCain goes after Obama on his Fannie Mae contributions
If Obama uses what happened in Iraq today as an opportunity to advance his political career, I want his ass nailed to the wall and don't stop nailing!
No matter day or night.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:32:56pm |
re: #28 freetoken
Count me among the uninformed here.... what "scorched-earth" ads?
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:33:32pm |
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:33:45pm |
re: #31 freedomplow
Obama runs a campaign of emotional opportunity. He uses the 24 hour news cycle to prey on the emotions of the weak. That needs to be understood.
Obama will take his shots in the morning so the media will play them all day long.
The McCain campaign is going to have learn that this response, while good, has to happen earlier in the day. McCain goes after Obama on his Fannie Mae contributions
If Obama uses what happened in Iraq today as an opportunity to advance his political career, I want his ass nailed to the wall and don't stop nailing!
No matter day or night.
And yet who will hear? The MSM covers everything Barack has to say and conveniently forgets any of McCain's accusation against Barack. I don't know how to overcome this obvious MSM conspiracy.
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:33:59pm |
re: #30 BlueCanuck
This will help. The LGF Dictionary of terms. Moby.
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Thanks, you beat me to it. Oh, what the hell, let's put it all for any and all to read.
Moby: An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question. The term is derived from the name of the liberal musician Moby, who famously suggested in February of 2004 that left-wing activists engage in this type of subterfuge: "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion. Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'" The strategy has been frequently attempted on LGF and elsewhere, but has not been nearly as effective as Moby envisioned, since false rumors are easily debunked by fact-checking minions, and cartoonishly extreme commenters often get immediately identified as mobys and banned from LGF.
If we had a picture of EIDE_interface, it would go here.
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restitutor orbis Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:35:02pm |
Check out this story:
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
interesting thing is, at the end of his diatribe, this moron Proclaims "Obama in '08!" Saw it on ESPN this morning.........
Of course now the bought and owned media won't report it.....
heres the original, the bit of wisdom can be heard at about 1:40
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:35:42pm |
If we had a picture of EIDE_interface, it would go here.
I looked at the moby definition and I have not:
* spread false rumors
* sowed dissension
* impersonated a right-winger - I have always been a right-winger
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Temujin Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:36:08pm |
“Poor Tom Paine! There he lies;
nobody laughs and nobody cries;
where he has gone or how he fares;
nobody knows and nobody cares.”
~ 19th-century street ditty
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:36:16pm |
re: #37 EIDE_Interface
I looked at the moby definition and I have not:
* spread false rumors
* sowed dissension
* impersonated a right-winger - I have always been a right-winger
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GAZE.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:36:53pm |
re: #36 restitutor orbis
Check out this story:
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
interesting thing is, at the end of his diatribe, this moron Proclaims "Obama in '08!" Saw it on ESPN this morning.........
Of course now the bought and owned media won't report it.....
heres the original, the bit of wisdom can be heard at about 1:40
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Another reason I hate the NBA - filled with players that hate/dis America.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:37:06pm |
re: #36 restitutor orbis
Alas the video is gone.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:37:32pm |
re: #32 EIDE_Interface
Thanks for the link. I was just trying to figure out why you had so many downdings in such a short period.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:37:50pm |
re: #42 freetoken
Thanks for the link. I was just trying to figure out why you had so many downdings in such a short period.
What is a downdings?
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:38:32pm |
Yeah, the guy in the YouTube video, Josh Howard....I've hated him even before he opened his mouth to spew his garbage.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:38:48pm |
re: #37 EIDE_Interface
Thats only because we are wise in the powers of the right. I think I have only seen a couple posts you have made that weren't whining or whinging about how McCain is doing so poorly.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:39:12pm |
re: #43 EIDE_Interface
What is a downdings?
The "-" sign in the ding machine.... your post #17 sunk to a -3 so quickly, so I figured you must have said something offensive.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:40:03pm |
re: #27 Syrah
You might have seen this.
Memo to US Secret Service: Net proxy may pinpoint Palin email hackers.
In the Hackers note from the link that you posted, he said used only the one proxy. It turns out that proxy keeps a log.
Hacker is toast.
I can't remember now where I saw it, but it sounded like the owner of the proxy was going to help investigators, and that there was a screenshot of the entire proxy information in the browser was going to make it that much easier to look up the logs. This hacker is indeed toast.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:40:21pm |
re: #46 freetoken
Gotten to be a habit for some of us late nighters. :)
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redc1c4 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:41:36pm |
re: #22 Rancher
Hopefully the hacker gets caught. The original site it showed up on tried to do the right thing but can any of the reposters be prosecuted? Like Huffington?
with the SS on the j*b, i'd not want to be someone who poasted this info....
smart guess is that they'll have no such agency run down the computer stuff, and right after that, your cracker ass is going for a ride......
/it's a damn shame. %-)
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Meremortal Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:42:34pm |
re: #47 Sharmuta
I can't remember now where I saw it, but it sounded like the owner of the proxy was going to help investigators, and that there was a screenshot of the entire proxy information in the browser was going to make it that much easier to look up the logs. This hacker is indeed toast.
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I think it's linked on InstaPundit and/or Hot Air. Too tired to look. It's off to bed.
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redc1c4 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:42:41pm |
re: #23 EIDE_Interface
I'll listen to my alt-rock instead.
one of your primary problems is that you just don't listen.
/pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious.
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Rancher Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:42:58pm |
re: #31 freedomplow
If Obama uses what happened in Iraq today as an opportunity to advance his political career, I want his ass nailed to the wall and don't stop nailing!
What happened in Iraq? The crash?
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:45:11pm |
re: #42 freetoken
Some of us are just weary of the defeatism.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:47:45pm |
re: #54 Sharmuta
Some of us are just weary of the defeatism.
I'm not the only one:Powerline outlines WaPost bias
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:49:35pm |
Will McCain listen to the NRO Editors:
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:51:15pm |
re: #55 EIDE_Interface
I'm not the only one:Powerline outlines WaPost bias
Sorry- that wasn't defeatism from Powerline.
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pat Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:51:24pm |
I tried so hard to find dirt on Palin. And I did. On her shoes.
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gmsc Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:51:48pm |
I bet the Obama camp wishes they hadn't made such a big deal about McCain's e-mail.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:52:12pm |
re: #57 Sharmuta
Sorry- that wasn't defeatism from Powerline.
But it sure is whining isn't it? Are Powerline mobies too?
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Rancher Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:52:15pm |
This is weeks old, don't know how I missed this, Charles probably had a thread.
British Deal With al-Sadr Betrayed Iraqi People.
The news about a secret deal between the British and anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr did not come as a surprise to us. Britain’s war policy has been clear for the past several years: the country demonstrated no readiness to make sustained efforts in a prolonged war, nor did it act as a serious partner determined to win the conflict.
There are three aspects in this British betrayal. First, striking a deal with the enemy; second, selling an Iraqi city to the enemy of their Iraqi hosts and partners; and third, by not informing their American partners of their plans, enabling the U.S. military’s reliance on an untrustworthy partner — something the British military leadership turned out to be.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:53:54pm |
re: #60 EIDE_Interface
You got to get your filters fixed. That article was talking about how WaPost is burying Obama stories to ramp up attacks on McCain. No defeatism, just showing the bias of the paper.
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pat Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:54:39pm |
re: #55 EIDE_Interface
I'm not the only one:Powerline outlines WaPost bias
The Post has no headlines or stories about Obama. It probably recognizes that, as John noted today, Obama is a spent force in any positive sense, and that the best it can do for him now is to remove the spotlight while amping up the attacks on McCain.
The story about McCain "embracing regulation after many years of opposition" appears on page 1. Author Michael Shear, who has emerged as a top anti-McCain hatchet man for the Post (he also wrote the silly BlackBerry piece), makes no mention of the fact that in 2005, McCain cosponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act, the strongest legislation introduced up to that time to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Given recent developments, no fair story about McCain's position on regulation could omit this fact. But Shear (who was assisted on the story by fellow Democratic partisan Anne Kornblut) was not about to let it stand in the way of his hit piece, as the Washington Post pursues its relentless campaign to help elect Barack Obama.
Panic in the aisles.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:55:37pm |
re: #63 pat
It seems to be a panicky type post from them.
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:56:22pm |
In the sense it's just complaining about the awful MSM(yeah we know they're evil), but proposes no solutions.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:56:39pm |
re: #64 EIDE_Interface
I'm now starting to think you also have comprehension issues.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:57:03pm |
re: #65 EIDE_Interface
In the sense it's just complaining about the awful MSM(yeah we know they're evil), but proposes no solutions.
Is it their job to propose solutions?
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EIDE_Interface Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:57:58pm |
re: #66 Sharmuta
I'm now starting to think you also have comprehension issues.
Who is the NRO article supposed to convince except conservatives who already know it? How do we expose the MSM to swing-voters who think the MSM is at least "OK"? I'd think part of the solution is to go onto college campuses and spread the word, but who can spare the time.
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Salem Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:58:48pm |
Been watching The President's Analyst on TCM. Very weird but funny movie.
"I've never been to a country where everyone didn't hate the phone company."
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pat Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:59:56pm |
re: #64 EIDE_Interface
It seems to be a panicky type post from them.
I disagree. I think they are afraid to keep up the messiah bs. It has worn out. Everyone now realizes he is an idiot that will destroy the American econmy, savings and industry. So they must bad mouth McCain. Orders are in . Believe me, these stories are being written in Obama headquarters and fed to the Post. I know the pattern. Way too tight. Panic.
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redc1c4 Wed, Sep 17, 2008 11:59:57pm |
re: #64 EIDE_Interface
It seems to be a panicky type post from them.
kinda meshes with your SOP.....
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:00:03am |
Ok, so people actually do believe the MSM is shilling for Obama:
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:01:40am |
re: #68 EIDE_Interface
Who is the NRO article supposed to convince except conservatives who already know it? How do we expose the MSM to swing-voters who think the MSM is at least "OK"? I'd think part of the solution is to go onto college campuses and spread the word, but who can spare the time.
talking to college students is less fruitful than trying to teach a pig to sing.
/it's right up there with reasoning with Mobys........
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:01:42am |
This is hilarious from "FAIR":
FAIR disputes MSM is shill for Obama
How a myth is made
Unsurprisingly, the public has come to believe these repeated declarations of media bias. A Rasmussen poll (Rasmussen Reports, 7/19/08) found that 49 percent of respondents believe that reporters will try to help Obama win, while 14 percent believe most will try to help McCain. Strikingly, “45 percent say that most reporters would hide information if it hurt the candidate they wanted to win,” while only 30 percent disagree.Such polls reveal the power of the right-wing media in America. The myth of the pro-Obama media is the same as the myth of the liberal press, and it has been created by a standard strategy: Right-wing pundits declare repeatedly and vociferously that the media are biased in favor of liberals; centrist media pundits, who generally prefer critiques from the right because they don’t make a structural challenge to their work, concede that they have a point; and progressive critics, excluded from both the pro-establishment and the right-wing talkshows that dominate the media, go unheard
So FAIR doesn't dispute the poll itself, but insinuates that right-wing talk radio has lied to the people about the MSM. Yeah right, good luck with that.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:02:02am |
re: #68 EIDE_Interface
Who is the NRO article supposed to convince except conservatives who already know it? How do we expose the MSM to swing-voters who think the MSM is at least "OK"? I'd think part of the solution is to go onto college campuses and spread the word, but who can spare the time.
I think part of the solution is exposing the bias- which Powerline is doing, as is Charles and countless other bloggers who you insult by calling "panicky" and think that they have to do more by offering solutions. But you're too busy to be part of the solution, right? Much easier to whine and wring your hands over it.
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pat Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:03:09am |
Hey Charlie Gibson! Can I read your guestions to Obama again? I want to memorize number 5. "Do yah love your grandma?"
Nice glasses, BTW. I bet you are sooooooo smart!
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:03:10am |
re: #72 EIDE_Interface
Old news. Why do you think there is such a huge ground swell of support for McCain/Palin.
/lipstick?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:03:26am |
re: #76 Sharmuta
I think part of the solution is exposing the bias- which Powerline is doing, as is Charles and countless other bloggers who you insult by calling "panicky" and think that they have to do more by offering solutions. But you're too busy to be part of the solution, right? Much easier to whine and wring your hands over it.
Hey, everyone in my family is voting for McCain and (R) downticket. We are doing are part. I gave $50 to Dino Rossi and another $50 to McCain.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:05:51am |
Libs are delusional about MSM:
Netroots push back against MSM 'bias'
For those on the left, the more operative words these days are “mainstream,” “establishment,” or “traditional.” And if one is feeling particularly aggrieved, the description of choice is increasingly — and surprisingly — “conservative.”
ROFL.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:06:34am |
Basically I think for liberals, anything to the right of Daily Kos is "conservative".
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:06:39am |
"What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away".
They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.
Saul Alinsky,
ZerObama Guru
Thirteen years after Alinsky died, some of his former students hired Barack Obama to a $13,000 a year job as a community organizer in South Chicago. In a few years he became very skilled in the Alinsky Method of community organizing and became an instructor and teacher of the Alinsky Method to other community organizers.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:08:56am |
Do we really need RINOs like this? Hagel - change your designiation to a (D) already. DIA(Democrat in Action).
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StudSupreme Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:09:30am |
Obama seems to have shored himself up in the polls and is either barely leading or virtually tied.
I find myself feeling profoundly uncomfortable with the realization that the economy is flooded with possibly uncollectible debt at the federal, state, local and commercial level, and an inexperienced, naive, self-deceiving, stunningly narcissistic America-hating marxist with backing from two very wealthy people (Soros and Buffett) behind him might actually become president, while the mortal threat of a death-worshipping civilization that wants to drag the world back to the days when illiterate unwashed masses bowed in terror before bloodthirsty, wrathful gods is completely misunderstood and ignored by that same Marxist and the people who elected him.
I'm hardly a panic-monger, but I really, really feel uncomfortable with the above nightmare coming true. I simply can't imagine a greater cataclysm, other than the sun going nova or Mars colliding with the earth.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:10:16am |
Any bargain stock tips from lizards who trade? I've been viewing the energy (oil, natural gas & pipelines), transportation (railways & open sea shipping), mining (copper, gold, coal & platinum) sectors and utilities while totally overlooking things like real-estate, finance, retail and tech.
/Still pretty new to this, but the way some prices are I figured now might be as good a time to buy as any
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:10:42am |
re: #84 StudSupreme
Careful... You're not allowed to sow panic.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:10:57am |
re: #60 EIDE_Interface
But it sure is whining isn't it? Are Powerline mobies too?
Please stop with the doom and gloom/woe is us meme! The MSM is in the tank for Obama - we've known that for 18 months now when they helped him basically cheat his way in the caucus/primary season and helped him beat Hillary. We see it every day. No need to remind us of it all the time! It's not something that can be changed right now, so there is no need to get in a dither over it.
The point to keep in mind, though, is this: after 8 years of GWB (who is despised by the media and the left), a Republican candidate who is not in the springtime of his life and who has lost many conservatives because of his immigration stance, and a VP pick who is now more reviled than Bush ever thought of being - we're still either a point or two ahead or tied in most polls.
Republican candidates always bloom late, usually within a couple weeks of the election. I read while ago that at this point in the 2004 election, Jon Kerry was ahead in the polls by 14%. And.He.Lost.
Here - this is a map that will make you feel better. It's from Dick Morris, and it should make you feel better.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:12:32am |
re: #85 Fenway_Nation
I'm not an expert but I'm sticking with cash for now. It's going to be while before I'm going to put money back in the market.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:13:25am |
The bigger picture is not whether McCain can win or not, it's why do most Americans want government to save them. Until we can answer that question, we can't turn around America.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:13:39am |
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Syrah Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:13:55am |
re: #79 EIDE_Interface
Hey, everyone in my family is voting for McCain and (R) downticket. We are doing are part. I gave $50 to Dino Rossi and another $50 to McCain.
I just saw one of Rossi's ads on the tube tonight. Didn't like it. It rubs me wrong to here a Republican talk about reaching out across the isle to the Democrats.
The only time that Democrats reach across the aisle to Republicans is when they think they can pop the Republicans in the nose.
I want to hear about how Gov. Rossi would order the whole State audited from top to bottom. Just the talk of an audit will give the Dems in this State a serious brown shorts problem.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:14:24am |
re: #85 Fenway_Nation
If you're really looking for tips you can ask 3 wood. He knows a few things about some stuff.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:14:31am |
re: #90 EIDE_Interface
Ummm, most Americans want the government out of their lives. What you are hearing is the vocal minority.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:15:05am |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Right now, my 'portfolio' consists of some US Savings bonds and some silver.
I talked myself out of precious metals earlier this month.
/Aaargh!
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:15:56am |
re: #94 BlueCanuck
Ummm, most Americans want the government out of their lives. What you are hearing is the vocal minority.
I don't believe that for a second. If so, we'd already disband SocSec, Medicare, Americorps, etc... Why are we spending $3 trillion on the federal level if most Americans are against government?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:16:12am |
re: #95 Fenway_Nation
My portfolio consists of a bank account.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:16:31am |
re: #86 EIDE_Interface
Careful... You're not allowed to sow panic.
Are you admitting that's what you're trying to do?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:17:57am |
re: #98 Sharmuta
Are you admitting that's what you're trying to do?
No, I'm just very concerned citizen. But I do admit whining has no point.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:19:26am |
re: #58 pat
I tried so hard to find dirt on Palin. And I did. On her shoes.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:19:30am |
re: #97 EIDE_Interface
Whoops....left out the Certificate of Deposit at one of the local credit unions (4.91% to 5% APY).
Interestingly, I'm not hearing word one about credit unions during this whole IndyFreddyMacWaMuAIG fiasco. I'd like to think they're in reasonably good shape at this time because they haven't overextended themselves like some of the larger banks have.
/could be wishful thinking, tho.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:21:03am |
re: #101 Fenway_Nation
With all this lost money, I'm perfectly satisfied to be making my meager 2% on a checking account right now. Keeping assets is the deal right now.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:23:25am |
re: #84 StudSupreme
Obama seems to have shored himself up in the polls and is either barely leading or virtually tied.
I find myself feeling profoundly uncomfortable with the realization that the economy is flooded with possibly uncollectible debt at the federal, state, local and commercial level, and an inexperienced, naive, self-deceiving, stunningly narcissistic America-hating marxist with backing from two very wealthy people (Soros and Buffett) behind him might actually become president, while the mortal threat of a death-worshipping civilization that wants to drag the world back to the days when illiterate unwashed masses bowed in terror before bloodthirsty, wrathful gods is completely misunderstood and ignored by that same Marxist and the people who elected him.
I'm hardly a panic-monger, but I really, really feel uncomfortable with the above nightmare coming true. I simply can't imagine a greater cataclysm, other than the sun going nova or Mars colliding with the earth.
that's why you have 75 poasts.....
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freedomplow Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:25:17am |
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:25:31am |
Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.
Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:26:29am |
re: #90 EIDE_Interface
The bigger picture is not whether McCain can win or not, it's why do most Americans want government to save them. Until we can answer that question, we can't turn around America.
ikf you actually have to ask that question, you'll never grok the answer.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:26:37am |
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:26:39am |
Keep investing, wisely.
Buy gold and silver.
Buy guns and ammunition.
Power to the Correct People!
(They are prepared, not dependent.)
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:27:08am |
re: #105 karmic_inquisitor
Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.
Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.
Sometimes I think our entire economy is one gigantic pyramid scheme all set to collapse. Isn't everything dependent on the financial services sector?
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:27:40am |
re: #104 freedomplow
It is meant to stop the momentum. Hilldebeast wants all shorting banned, which is a stupid idea, IMO.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:28:04am |
re: #106 redc1c4
ikf you actually have to ask that question, you'll never grok the answer.
Actually I know the answer, it was more of rhetorical question. Most people don't have what it takes to be rugged individualists - so they run to mommy(government) when the chips are down.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:28:35am |
re: #96 EIDE_Interface
I don't believe that for a second. If so, we'd already disband SocSec, Medicare, Americorps, etc... Why are we spending $3 trillion on the federal level if most Americans are against government?
a reasonably intelligent person wouldn't have to ask that question....
/they'd know the answer.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:29:44am |
re: #112 redc1c4
a reasonably intelligent person wouldn't have to ask that question....
/they'd know the answer.
See #111.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:30:18am |
re: #105 karmic_inquisitor
Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.
Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.
i was thinking that EIG @ $4 was a deal, at least short term.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:32:15am |
re: #110 karmic_inquisitor
It is meant to stop the momentum. Hilldebeast wants all shorting banned, which is a stupid idea, IMO.
that's why she announced it...............
/she's never came up with a smart one %-)
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pat Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:33:19am |
Again, I find myself with so few thoughts, yet so little to say. Later all.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:33:26am |
re: #109 EIDE_Interface
Sometimes I think our entire economy is one gigantic pyramid scheme all set to collapse. Isn't everything dependent on the financial services sector?
No.
Is your dry cleaners? how about your plumber?
Most businesses are small businesses that operate out of 1 or 2 bank accounts and have a line of credit with a personal guarantee.
The "titans" that are biting the dust were playing games with derivatives and credit swaps that amounted to ponzi schemes. They deserve to die. When they die that doesn't mean the stocks people bought through them go away (they don't) and it doesn't mean all banking goes away (plenty of banks never played in these "markets").
It means some self adoring bozos got what was coming to them. unfortunately, many around those bozos get hurt too, but it doesn't bring the world to an end.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:34:10am |
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:34:29am |
re: #8 itellu3times
Can't anybody in Washington say something sensible about all these financial disasters? Obama and Pelosi are in a contest to say nothing as rudely as possible, but McCain nor Palin seems to have anything to say. Can't the campaign find some decent spokespersons? Not Fiorina, she hasn't a clue, that I can see.
Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:34:56am |
re: #119 karmic_inquisitor
Lots of private equity will dry up in the short term causing lack of funding to IPOs and would-be start ups in the tech sector. I work in that sector, so I'm very keen on what happens in the high-finance area.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:35:22am |
re: #119 karmic_inquisitor
Oh - it also means that NYC real estate will finally deflate.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:35:41am |
re: #121 JustMyView
Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?
Both Democrats and Republicans are in on the scam about Freddie and Fannie with a few exceptions(McCain).
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Cartman Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:35:44am |
Well, Suze Orman said the other night that we were almost certainly on the brink of a depression. Don't know what that's worth, if anything, but it is what it is.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:36:09am |
re: #123 karmic_inquisitor
Oh - it also means that NYC real estate will finally deflate.
No, NYC is a "world city" which means the world bids on the real estate keeping the prices up. Same thing with SFO.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:36:17am |
re: #105 karmic_inquisitor
Folks - you buy when there is blood in the streets.
Lots of quality companies having shares dumped because hedgies and institutions have to liquidate to cover loans that are being called. A lot of cash is on the sidelines waiting to buy quality. Financial services are a small sector of the economy - the rest is still driving modest gdp growth and oil prices are falling.
I'm looking for something that's taking a beating yet paying a nice dividend (and a sled, and a toy train set and a Red Ryder BB Gun). Something from a company that's reasonably well-run, but is still being dragged down because of the blowback from the financial sector.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:36:36am |
re: #125 Cartman
Well, Suze Orman said the other night that we were almost certainly on the brink of a depression. Don't know what that's worth, if anything, but it is what it is.
She makes sense talking about micro issues, like personal debts. But with macroeconomics, she's blowing it out of her ass.
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pat Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:38:03am |
re: #121 JustMyView
Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?
Great idea since he and McCain were comprehensively trying to reform Fannie May and Freddie Mac, but were frustrated by the Democrats. Because their legislative introduction pointed out the present possibility.
But I am sure you knew that and intended to broach the same.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:38:10am |
Well now, the democrats have come up with a "solution" for Americans who are struggling to pay those high gas prices:
These people insult our collective intelligence with crap like this. My brother will be glad to see this, since he drives 50 miles one way to his office.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:38:22am |
re: #121 JustMyView
And tell us why the SEC was asleep at the switch.
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pink freud Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:39:18am |
"Astroturfing, the new propaganda plague"
New on American Thinker.
"If you're reading this article online, you probably do know about astroturfing, but your friends who are less computer savvy do not: Astroturfing is the attempt to create the feeling of a grassroots movement by planting stories around the web through the use of paid or volunteer spammers."
...... snip
"From the same River North address, Axelrod operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be top secret, from its client roster and revenue to even the number of its employees. But customers and public records confirm that it has quarterbacked campaigns for the Chicago Children's Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T."
.......snip
"On August 30, Little Green Footballs noticed what appeared to be a pro-Palin web site but, in fact, was one clearly designed to turn off her socially conservative supporters:
Suddenly appearing among the Google search results for "sarah palin gay," a web site titled: Sarah Palin Supports Gay Rights."
Interesting.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/astrot urfing_the_new_propagand.html
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gmsc Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:40:04am |
Has anyone asked Chevy Chased if he's happy about the decimation caused to Sarah Palin by the hacked e-mails?
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:40:05am |
re: #122 EIDE_Interface
Lots of private equity will dry up in the short term causing lack of funding to IPOs and would-be start ups in the tech sector. I work in that sector, so I'm very keen on what happens in the high-finance area.
IPOs were killed by Sarbanes Oxley.
They died a long time ago. The accounting costs for a public company start at $6 million a year. try taking a company with a gross of $35 million public with that millstone around its neck.
Private Equity doesn't "dry up" btw. Assets are losing value, but cash is unaffected. If an asset you have produces cash, its value will adjust upward once this is over. If it isn't, then you may not have had that valuable of an asset. If you have or are associated with a business that produces a cash flow, you will be fine.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:40:18am |
re: #121 JustMyView
Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?
1) The Bush Administration has made statements about this- no one wants to hear from a lame duck.
2) Justifications for the decisions that were made should be coming from Congress. Why did the dems and your boy 0bama stop reforms in 2005?
3) What good would it do for Bush to propose anything now? Any policy that would be passed would still take time to become effective, and it's unlikely Congress would move on it considering we are deep in the election cycle.
Nice try.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:40:24am |
re: #121 JustMyView
Right. In particular, why doesn't the president speak to the people and provide (1) an explanation of what's happening, (2) a justification for the decisions that have been made, and (3) a set of ideas for what must be done to prevent further problems or recurrences?
Well, your boy Harry Reid sure doesn't know what to do - and that is an almost exact quote coming from him today.
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Racer X Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:42:07am |
Karl Rove absolutely destroyed Alan Colmes tonight with a perfect explanation as to why FannieMae and FreddyMac imploded.
Yeah Mac has some lobbyists working with him, but Obama is going to have some explainin to do.
Wait a few days for it to get really good.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:44:27am |
If McCain wants to save his campaign, he better in the next few days hammer home the following points:
* no more bailouts
* no tax increases, highlighting Obama as tax increaser
* keep pounding his energy plan, while painting Obama as "no energy" plan
and do it immediately.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:44:40am |
re: #125 Cartman
Ain't worth crap. Supposedly we're in a recession now although the numbers don't back that up. Jobs are out there, if you can't get one I'll get you one. Inflation's peeked with oil and the markets adjusting for the perfidy of the financial sector. Good time to buy.
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pink freud Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:44:44am |
re: #138 Fenway_Nation
Beware throbbing propaganda plagues!
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:45:40am |
I'd imagine folks in the states of Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia are going to be seeing some nice, juicy ads in the next few days.
Might even see a few of them up in New York and New Jersey.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:45:52am |
re: #142 Rancher
Ain't worth crap. Supposedly we're in a recession now although the numbers don't back that up. Jobs are out there, if you can't get one I'll get you one. Inflation's peeked with oil and the markets adjusting for the perfidy of the financial sector. Good time to buy.
Well the economy is always fine for people with marketable skills. However, people who simply sit in an office job for 10 years without advancing themselves, suddenly find they're on the street and nobody wants to hire them.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:45:56am |
re: #131 Intrepid
$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:46:24am |
re: #144 Intrepid
I'd imagine folks in the states of Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia are going to be seeing some nice, juicy ads in the next few days.
Might even see a few of them up in New York and New Jersey.
I don't think McCain should throw away money in NY/NJ. Just like Obama has pulled out of GA and other sure-lose states.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:46:47am |
re: #125 Cartman
Well, Suze Orman said the other night that we were almost certainly on the brink of a depression. Don't know what that's worth, if anything, but it is what it is.
I would have to ask her "why?"
Is it because NYC is a very small place with a circle of people who are panicked? Finance folks hang out with each other in a very small world. They have the flu. That means everyone on the planet has the flu.
It will be a depression for anyone in the financial services industry, yes.
But fear will give way to greed. People with $ will lend it to businesses that produce cash and are therefore sure to pay it back. Mortgages are still a safe bet when you lend to qualified buyers.
But the people who were tweaking the black-scholes equation and maxed out the credit card doing it are going to feel real pain. And they hang out with folks like Orman and Greenspan.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:47:38am |
re: #146 BlueCanuck
$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.
Yeah I don't buy this whole "bike to work" in our modern economy. In the old, old days you lived in the city and took public transportation to the factory. Or you lived in the village and worked on a farm. With housing and modern offices where most people work zoned in such ways as it makes it impossible without cars. A legacy of the 1950s.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:48:09am |
re: #144 Intrepid
I'd imagine folks in the states of Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Virginia are going to be seeing some nice, juicy ads in the next few days.
Might even see a few of them up in New York and New Jersey.
Don't forget MN is tied.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:48:18am |
re: #148 karmic_inquisitor
Anyone who leverages themselves 10:1, 15:1, 20:1 deserves to be impaled.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:48:48am |
re: #141 EIDE_Interface
Are you in a state that is in play right now? If so, you may be seeing some of those ads. If not, like me, you probably won't see many of them, if any at all. Everything is focused on the battle ground states. If you're from a solid blue or a solid red - sorry.
I wish I could see some of them too, but my state is solid red and have no senators in jeopardy, so I don't want them throwing any money into our media markets.
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tokyobk Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:49:19am |
Hey what does all this mean for the Greenspan legacy?
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Racer X Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:49:21am |
From the Wall Street Journal today:
Barney's Rubble
In fact, Mr. Frank was publicly arguing for an increase in the size of their combined $1.4 trillion portfolios right up to the day they were bailed out. Even now, after he's been proven wrong about a taxpayer guarantee, he opposes Treasury's planned reduction in the size of the portfolios starting in 2010, according to a quote attributed to him in this newspaper last week. "Good luck on that," he reportedly said. Mr. Frank's spokeswoman hung up the phone when we sought confirmation Tuesday.
In a few days it will be very clear who is to blame for the recent financial problems. Democrats.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:49:30am |
re: #151 EIDE_Interface
Anyone who leverages themselves 10:1, 15:1, 20:1 deserves to be impaled.
As do the clowns who lent them the money.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:49:41am |
re: #147 EIDE_Interface
I don't think McCain should throw away money in NY/NJ. Just like Obama has pulled out of GA and other sure-lose states.
I don't think McCain should listen to any of your advice.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:50:23am |
re: #146 BlueCanuck
$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.
and extra food, plus being funky when you got to w*rk and double funky when you got home, plus bad weather, and people deliberately trying to hit you with their cars (happened to me, i was chased even), plus......
riding a bike is impractical for most people.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:50:34am |
re: #152 Intrepid
You can see most of the ads at McCain's website.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:50:45am |
re: #152 Intrepid
Yup, in WA state. I just love living in a battleground.... Oh joy.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:50:59am |
re: #146 BlueCanuck
$20 dollars a month for riding a bike to work? Sounds great if you don't have to worry about stuff like snow. And that amount of money would barely pay for maintenance on a bike. Either one tire or 2 tubes. take your pick. Having spent a summer biking to and from work awhile back I went through about two tires and four tubes. Each tire cost on average $15, and tubes were about 6 dollars. Not to mention other parts and wear and tear.
This little addition the dems made to that bill is insulting to people in rural areas. How can they expect people to commute 70 miles round trip on a bicycle?
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:51:34am |
re: #153 tokyobk
Hey what does all this mean for the Greenspan legacy?
Bad things. The Clintons wanted homeownership to go up from the historic 65% to 70%. It got to 69%.
All that for 4% more.
Looks like the govt should stick with 65%
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:51:47am |
The only thing is that I don't have a cable TV, so any ads I see are on the internet.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:51:52am |
re: #140 Racer X
Karl Rove absolutely destroyed Alan Colmes tonight with a perfect explanation as to why FannieMae and FreddyMac imploded.
Yeah Mac has some lobbyists working with him, but Obama is going to have some explainin to do.
Wait a few days for it to get really good.
I hope that vid shows up at youtube- I'd love to see it.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:52:00am |
re: #145 EIDE_Interface
I'm talking unskilled. The prison needs all kinds of staff and I'm not going back anytime soon. The hotel where I "work", (I'm working now), needs help. So does Denny's next door. The trucking industry is always hurting and will pay for your schooling. Law enforcement and I think Firefighters get paid while at their trainingg academies and are always hurting.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:52:14am |
re: #161 karmic_inquisitor
Bad things. The Clintons wanted homeownership to go up from the historic 65% to 70%. It got to 69%.
All that for 4% more.
Looks like the govt should stick with 65%
You mean home-debtorship. I wonder what the average equity is among those "owners".
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:52:35am |
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:52:51am |
re: #147 EIDE_Interface
I don't think McCain should throw away money in NY/NJ. Just like Obama has pulled out of GA and other sure-lose states.
then Obanal; should just go ahead and pull out......
/it's too bad his daddy didn't. %-)
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:53:12am |
re: #164 Rancher
I'm talking unskilled. The prison needs all kinds of staff and I'm not going back anytime soon. The hotel where I "work", (I'm working now), needs help. So does Denny's next door. The trucking industry is always hurting and will pay for your schooling. Law enforcement and I think Firefighters get paid while at their trainingg academies and are always hurting.
The people you talk to - what % leans Obama?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:53:42am |
re: #149 EIDE_Interface
Never said it wasn't feasible. I just said the tax break given is a joke. If that's the incentive they are going to give. I bet if I had a reasonable bike I could save money in the spring to fall period. A 6 mile commute would only take half an hour to 45 minutes with the traffic. Almost as along as it currently takes me by public transit. There are some office buildings in my neighborhood downtown that have showers and change facilities for people who do that.
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tokyobk Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:53:44am |
re: #161 karmic_inquisitor
Bad things. The Clintons wanted homeownership to go up from the historic 65% to 70%. It got to 69%.
All that for 4% more.
Looks like the govt should stick with 65%
Oh thanks. I have looked at your comments on this before so I appreciate your insights.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:53:48am |
re: #156 Sharmuta
I don't think McCain should listen to any of your advice.
So you think McCain should spend money in NY/NJ?
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:54:08am |
re: #165 EIDE_Interface
You mean home-debtorship. I wonder what the average equity is among those "owners".
our's is rocking......
quit whining: your apartment may go condo and you can buy in then.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:55:17am |
re: #169 BlueCanuck
Never said it wasn't feasible. I just said the tax break given is a joke. If that's the incentive they are going to give. I bet if I had a reasonable bike I could save money in the spring to fall period. A 6 mile commute would only take half an hour to 45 minutes with the traffic. Almost as along as it currently takes me by public transit. There are some office buildings in my neighborhood downtown that have showers and change facilities for people who do that.
What is the health downside to breathing exhaust fumes compared to breathing in a internally air circulated car? For exercise, one can always bike around the neighborhood at 6AM when there is no traffic and on weekends. The exhaust is a real problem.
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Racer X Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:55:22am |
re: #163 Sharmuta
I hope that vid shows up at youtube- I'd love to see it.
Its there - someone posted it here earlier.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:55:24am |
re: #158 Sharmuta
You can see most of the ads at McCain's website.
True - the McCain Campaign created ones. I really want to see the 527 ads. Those are the most bloody, usually.
I wonder if some Rothschild or Trump money will be paying for any ads any time soon?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:55:49am |
re: #172 redc1c4
our's is rocking......
quit whining: your apartment may go condo and you can buy in then.
Um, I am mortgaging a condo right now. Paid 20% down.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:56:46am |
re: #168 EIDE_Interface
In NM? Around here maybe 60% to 75% Obama. Statewide 50%-50%.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:58:01am |
re: #173 EIDE_Interface
If you are going to worry about a little thing like exhaust, you are doomed to perpetual whinging. Builds character and is only bad on really hot and muggy days.
/now if I could only find that SOB that stole my bike. . . . . .
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:58:04am |
re: #159 EIDE_Interface
Yup, in WA state. I just love living in a battleground.... Oh joy.
Yes, you are quite the joy monger, aren't you?/
You won't be able to keep up this much angst for the next six weeks or you'll go crazy. It's still an eternity away, and anything and everything can change in a moment. For bad or for good.
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freedomplow Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:58:22am |
Like it or not McCain has the reputation to tell everyone to F off...
Obama will act tough and Biden will not admit that he wanted to segregate Iraq.
The experience of McCain trumps everything.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:58:53am |
re: #177 Rancher
In NM? Around here maybe 60% to 75% Obama. Statewide 50%-50%.
You mean 60-75% in Santa Fe?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 12:59:36am |
re: #180 freedomplow
Like it or not McCain has the reputation to tell everyone to F off...
Obama will act tough and Biden will not admit that he wanted to segregate Iraq.
The experience of McCain trumps everything.
If McCain actually uses it.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:00:52am |
re: #179 Intrepid
Yes, you are quite the joy monger, aren't you?/
You won't be able to keep up this much angst for the next six weeks or you'll go crazy. It's still an eternity away, and anything and everything can change in a moment. For bad or for good.
Technically 6 weeks and 5 days to go. The next 3-4 days are actually very critical for McCain to hit back at Obama. If he just allows Obama's attacks unanswered, he's done.
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Racer X Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:00:53am |
Jamie Gorelick, Mistress of Disaster
It's not often that one person plays key roles in two -- count 'em, two -- trillion-dollar disasters. Welcome, my friends, to the world of well-connected Democrat Jamie Gorelick.
Though she had no training or experience in finance, Gorelick was appointed the Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae and served in the role from 1997 to 2003. During that six-year period, she earned over $26 million.
During Gorelick's tenure, FNMA suffered a $10 billion accounting scandal, an ominous harbinger of the firm's looming troubles. One of the falsified transactions helped FNMA hit earnings targets for 1998, which triggered bonuses for top executives including nearly $800,000 to Gorelick.
In 2002 Business Week interviewed Gorelick concerning the health of FNMA. She responded, "We believe we are managed safely. We are very pleased that Moody's gave us an A-minus in the area of bank financial strength -- without a reference to the government in any way. Fannie Mae is among the handful of top-quality institutions."
Less than a year later regulators "accused Fannie Mae of improper accounting to the tune of $9 billion in unrecorded losses."
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:03:18am |
re: #180 freedomplow
...and Biden will not admit that he wanted to segregate Iraq.
Isn't he still pushing for that? I seem to remember some Iraqi official calling him to task for that just recently.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:03:50am |
re: #183 EIDE_Interface
Technically 6 weeks and 5 days to go. The next 3-4 days are actually very critical for McCain to hit back at Obama. If he just allows Obama's attacks unanswered, he's done.
So....he should hit back, but not in NY/NJ, right?
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:05:10am |
re: #181 EIDE_Interface
More like 95% in Santa Fe. I'm in a poor county, lots of government dependent voters.
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freedomplow Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:05:56am |
re: #186 Rancher
He said it wasn't true and he was misunderstood.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:06:06am |
re: #187 Sharmuta
So....he should hit back, but not in NY/NJ, right?
So you think he can have a downticket effect, but not win the states themselves? Otherwise, what's the rationale?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:06:33am |
re: #188 Rancher
More like 95% in Santa Fe. I'm in a poor county, lots of government dependent voters.
Amazing that Bush won it in 2004. Must have been his Mexican pandering.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:06:36am |
re: #183 EIDE_Interface
Technically 6 weeks and 5 days to go. The next 3-4 days are actually very critical for McCain to hit back at Obama. If he just allows Obama's attacks unanswered, he's done.
Yes, and the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac thing just really came out on Monday, Lehman Bros was yesterday, AIG today. It does take a bit of time to get ad copy written and produced, and then farmed out to media outlets.
Do you want some sloppy, half-assed commercial that has no substance? Or do you want good, facts-based, take no prisoners pieces? Why do you think the dems have been particularly silent (except for Obama, of course, and Nancy Pelosi, who couldn't keep her trap shut to save her life) these last three days? Why would Harry Reid admit that he didn't know what to do about the crisis, instead of instinctively blame it all on George Bush?
Harry Reid knows the democrats are mostly to blame for a good deal of it, and that can be backed up by voting records.
Give it time and stop with the panic!
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Racer X Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:07:12am |
The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.
Franklin Raines is currently one of Barack Obama's chief economic advisers.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:08:39am |
re: #191 EIDE_Interface
Southern NM is pretty conservative. Even so NM wasn't called for months because it was so close. (And the Dem in charge is an idiot)
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:09:40am |
re: #192 Intrepid
Sure I know that good ads take at least a few days to throw together. But I'm expecting some hard hitting speeches from McCain the next 4 days. He HAS to dominate the news cycle for a change. Wouldn't hurt to have Palin talking about energy issues and stop talking about "greedy Wall St. executives".
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Racer X Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:10:06am |
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:10:16am |
re: #194 Rancher
Southern NM is pretty conservative. Even so NM wasn't called for months because it was so close. (And the Dem in charge is an idiot)
Well, maybe McCain can win Michigan & PA to make up for NM and IA loss.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:10:18am |
re: #194 Rancher
Southern NM is pretty conservative. Even so NM wasn't called for months because it was so close. (And the Dem in charge is an idiot)
Didn't one of your towns have to do a card draw to determine the winner of the Mayor's race?
/or was that a really wacky dream I had...
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:10:28am |
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:10:29am |
All this seems to be taking attention away from Obama's Logan violation.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:10:29am |
re: #190 EIDE_Interface
My rationale? Keep making 0bama pay to stay competitive in states he should be winning but are now slipping away from him. Make him pay with dollars and precious time- he's running out of both.
What's YOUR rationale? I mean, other than the sky is falling.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:12:04am |
re: #201 Sharmuta
My rationale? Keep making 0bama pay to stay competitive in states he should be winning but are now slipping away from him. Make him pay with dollars and precious time- he's running out of both.
What's YOUR rationale? I mean, other than the sky is falling.
Do you honestly think Obama will spend additional money in NY/NJ because McCain does? I think the strategy is better employed in blue states that Obama isn't dominant in, like Wisconsin. Make him defend that.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:12:47am |
re: #202 EIDE_Interface
Do you honestly think Obama will spend additional money in NY/NJ because McCain does? I think the strategy is better employed in blue states that Obama isn't dominant in, like Wisconsin. Make him defend that.
Why? NY is within 5.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:13:16am |
re: #200 Rancher
Just like the GOP convention, Hurricane Gustav and McCain's selection of Palin seemed to take attention away from Obama's association with Ayers.
/Seriously....is there a bad time to revisit this?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:15:33am |
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chicagodudewhotrades Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:16:05am |
I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have noticed there is some discussion of stocks going on. I like/and have been buying railroads. they seem more resistant to high energy prices (compared to trucking) and usually pay a dividend. Dividend-paying stocks are important to me. Dividends can't be faked or be a victim of 'creative bookkeeping'. The company has to produce the dividend money every 3 months. I view this as a sign of the company's good financial health.
I hope you all will permit me to re-post a comment I wrote on the previous thread. What I wrote means a lot to me and I want it to be well known among the lizards. When you read it you will understand why. Here I go:
I want to go off-topic for a minute and talk about something that came to my attention today. I spend more time in the lounge then here on the threads, but some lizards have been expressing concern about my financial health due to all the market swings lately. Yes, I am a day-trader and yes my stock portfolio has taken a small hit , but nothing massive and ruinous. In fact, I have been on the stock-trading sidelines the last few weeks because I know that conditions like this usually cause more losses then gains. I just wanted to say that I am truly touched that fellow lizards would express this much concern for someone they have never meet ( I have only meet about 5 lizards in person). this concern means a great deal to me. I think this concern is a reflection on Charles, the great site he has built, and the wonderful people this site attracts. Again, thanks for your concern for me.
CDWT
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:16:16am |
re: #203 Sharmuta
Why? NY is within 5.
What I mean is- make 0bama defend everything. Why not put pressure on NY? Make 0bama pay to keep what he's got.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:17:38am |
re: #208 Sharmuta
What I mean is- make 0bama defend everything. Why not put pressure on NY? Make 0bama pay to keep what he's got.
Yeah except those Democrats in NY/NJ would rather die then ever vote for a Republican. They're just so far gone mentally speaking, it matters not to them that they've entrusted state government to Democrats for so long, they don't care. Now Michigan is a different story, more Midwest values at work.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:18:28am |
re: #201 Sharmuta
Obama's money troubles are going to force him to go off the trail quite often and beg for more cash. And I'm expecting to hear of an ad about last night's Hollywood extravaganza very soon, complete with quotes.
And look at the big money folks McCain picked up just today - Donald Trump (billionaire) and Lynne Forester de Rothschild (gajillionaire, with friends who also have gajillions of dollars).
Today was a good day for Mccain, over all. Got those two new major endorsements, and Palin took part in her first Townhall Meeting today, and by all accounts did quite well. And she had her second media interview on Fox's H&C, which is #2 in the ratings nowadays.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:19:50am |
re: #209 EIDE_Interface
Best part of this whole mess that's the Obama campaign? He's not funding a lot of senatorial campaigns on the trail. Might see a big shift come November in Washington.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:20:53am |
re: #198 Intrepid
Didn't one of your towns have to do a card draw to determine the winner of the Mayor's race?
Estancia, NM.
"I wanted five card draw, she wanted to roll the dice," said Farrington, a sandwich shop owner who was appointed mayor 2 1/2 years ago. "So we flipped a coin to see what game would be played. She lost the flip, we played five-card draw and I won with ace high."
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:22:16am |
re: #212 Sharmuta
It looks like the poll was done somewhere near Albany, not the whole state. That's more GOP country.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:22:26am |
re: #207 chicagodudewhotrades
I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have noticed there is some discussion of stocks going on. I like/and have been buying railroads. they seem more resistant to high energy prices (compared to trucking) and usually pay a dividend.
I was thinking it was just me who believed that. Geez...even short-haul Providence & Worcester pays a dividend. Problem is, IMHO, not enough railways are publicly traded....of course you have companies like Union Pacific or Canadian National to blame for that for gobbling up other Class 1 long-haul railways as well as various reigonal carriers.
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:27:46am |
re: #214 EIDE_Interface
As I've said before, in any scenario in which McCain wins NY State, he would be on his way nationwide to a 300+ Electoral College tally. NY is a very Blue state.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:28:13am |
re: #209 EIDE_Interface
You are missing the biggest part of this story.
/and if that trend continues, Obama has problems in NY, NJ, PA and FL...
//from my lips to G-d's ears!
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:28:41am |
re: #211 BlueCanuck
Best part of this whole mess that's the Obama campaign? He's not funding a lot of senatorial campaigns on the trail. Might see a big shift come November in Washington.
Let's see: Obama picked up about 10 mil last night in Hollywood, and had a record month in August, taking in 66 mil. But his burn rate is 80% per month, so by the end of September, he'll be hurting for more cash.
John McCain and the RNC has 300 mil, and will probably be taking in much more surrounding the debates.
But the RNC is funneling money to the down tickets, Obama is not. And the DNC is lucky if it has two nickels to rub together after their convention is paid off. Not much help from them for the down tickets.
Susan Estrich tonight on Greta VS said that the reason Obama's blowing through so much cash is because of his bloated staff. And although they may pull out of states they know they can't win, they'll still beef up staff in states they're fighting in. No savings there.
And pardon me if I'm wrong, but I just don't perceive Joe Biden as a big-bucks donor draw.
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:31:21am |
re: #218 littleoldlady
LoL: nice to see some evidence that Northeast Jews still retain a certain rudimentary instinct for self-preservation . . .
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:32:03am |
re: #218 littleoldlady
You are missing the biggest part of this story.
/and if that trend continues, Obama has problems in NY, NJ, PA and FL...
//from my lips to G-d's ears!
It would really help that statistic along if Sarah Palin does go to the Anti-Achmadenejad rally in a few days. The one Hillary Clinton backed out on. The one with Elie Weisel.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:32:16am |
re: #218 littleoldlady
Morning {littleoldlady}. Welcome to the party.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:32:42am |
re: #216 Rancher
I was led to believe that was a byproduct of the ethanol boom. He probably still likes them for slightly different reasons and reportedly has BNSF (stock symbol BNI) and Omaha-based Union Pacific (symbol UNP) in his portfolio.
Aside from Providence & Worcester (PWX) and Canadian Pacific (CP) the railways seem to be riding out this tempest rather nicely.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:32:51am |
re: #218 littleoldlady
You are missing the biggest part of this story.
/and if that trend continues, Obama has problems in NY, NJ, PA and FL...
//from my lips to G-d's ears!
Well there was no way Obama was going to win FL anyways. PA is winnable since it was close in 2000/2004. NY/NJ are kool-aid drinkers.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:33:35am |
re: #219 Intrepid
He has the largest army of staffers with offices all over the country that's ever been seen. All on the dole with expenses like utilities and rent to boot. Burn is really an apt phrase.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:34:24am |
Palin from Michigan townhall on 9/17/08:
Ms. Palin’s best line from tonight’s townhall meeting in Michigan. It’s regarding foreign affairs experience:
“If you want specifics and specific policy or countries, go ahead, you can ask me. You can even play stump-the-candidate if you want,” Palin challenged her questioner.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:35:47am |
re: #218 littleoldlady
Maybe Jews are finally looking at who is advising Obama. That or the Jewish push polls are working.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:35:58am |
re: #220 Temujin
Temujin! :-)
I actually predicted months ago that McCain would beat Reagan with Jewish voters.
Has Malcolm Hoenlein come out from under his pillow and blankie yet to comment on Hillary being a no-show on Monday's Ahmadinnerjacket protest? Can't wait to see how this one shakes out...
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:36:21am |
re: #225 Rancher
He has the largest army of staffers with offices all over the country that's ever been seen. All on the dole with expenses like utilities and rent to boot. Burn is really an apt phrase.
And yet, he just cannot climb over that 50% threshold and stay there for more than a few hours.
That says something, indeed.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:38:56am |
re: #223 Fenway_Nation
You can only increase truck traffic so much. Look at how many semis are on the road with you next time you're out on the interstate. You just can't fit many more on the roads.
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Brigman Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:39:30am |
NANCY PELOSI and her natural gas solution
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:40:09am |
re: #230 Rancher
You can only increase truck traffic so much. Look at how many semis are on the road with you next time you're out on the interstate. You just can't fit many more on the roads.
We need more rail distribution to take pressure off the interstates.
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:40:43am |
re: #228 littleoldlady
{LoL} : c'mon now, Hillary can't be expected to attend if there's a possibility that Palin might show up!
She might catch cooties or sumpin !
/
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:41:40am |
re: #233 Temujin
{LoL} : c'mon now, Hillary can't be expected to attend if there's a possibility that Palin might show up!
She might catch cooties or sumpin !
/
You know I thought Hillary was a smart politician, but seeing how much she's shilling for Hussein - she's toast for any POTUS chances in 2012.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:41:55am |
re: #232 EIDE_Interface
A trend that is increasing is truck containers on rail cars. Get the cargo close then truck it the rest of the way.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:42:33am |
BlueCanuck! :-)
Intrepid! :-)
re: #227 Rancher
Maybe Jews are finally looking at who is advising Obama. That or the Jewish push polls are working.
Rancher! :-)
I had an inkling a couple of months ago when I tried to pick a fight with someone who would normally vote for a Democrat. "Oh no!", she said. "Obama will be bad for Israel!".
/now I just have to get the rest of my shul-mates to start paying attention...
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:43:01am |
re: #235 Rancher
A trend that is increasing is truck containers on rail cars. Get the cargo close then truck it the rest of the way.
I've read a lot about that, but the problem is decreasing amounts of track and lack of investment in rail cars. This is especially lacking in the West where interstate semi distribution of goods is totally dominant.
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:43:30am |
re: #234 EIDE_Interface
Hillary is not, shall we say, a natural politician . . .
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:43:35am |
re: #236 littleoldlady
BlueCanuck! :-)
Intrepid! :-)
Rancher! :-)
I had an inkling a couple of months ago when I tried to pick a fight with someone who would normally vote for a Democrat. "Oh no!", she said. "Obama will be bad for Israel!".
/now I just have to get the rest of my shul-mates to start paying attention...
I know some older Russian Jews who always voted Democrat, until 9/11. Now they always vote Republican.
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chicagodudewhotrades Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:43:39am |
If somebody wants another positive sign that obambi is in trouble, I have a Rasmussen political markets prediction account. My anti- 'president Obama' contract is a consistent money maker (too bad this is only virtual money). I cash out the position every couple days to book the profit and then re-enter the anti position again. Rasmussen is used by the true political junkies. If they think Obambi is a loser, what does that tell you about his chances?
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:44:29am |
re: #238 Temujin
Hillary is not, shall we say, a natural politician . . .
She always looks so forced out there. No humor, no real connection with an audience. Think Ronald Reagan and imagine the total opposite. Hillary reminds me of a Soviet apparatchik in a grey pantsuit.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:45:22am |
re: #240 chicagodudewhotrades
If somebody wants another positive sign that obambi is in trouble, I have a Rasmussen political markets prediction account. My anti- 'president Obama' contract is a consistent money maker (too bad this is only virtual money). I cash out the position every couple days to book the profit and then re-enter the anti position again. Rasmussen is used by the true political junkies. If they think Obambi is a loser, what does that tell you about his chances?
You are projecting what political junkies think on swing voters who don't even read blogs? I wouldn't extrapolate like that.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:46:28am |
re: #230 Rancher
There are some relatively new or expanded reigonal railways (Reading & Northern; Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern; New York, Susquehanna & Western; Montreal, Maine & Atlantic; Paducah & Louisville; Montana Rail Link; Western New York & Pennsylvania not to mention the RJ Corman family of shortlines) that purchase lengthy-but-unwanted sections of track from the long-haul railways and provide a better level of customer-oriented service that the larger railways didn't provide when they were serviceing the industries along the line. I think it's a good business model and think it's a shame that some of these companies aren't publicly traded (with the exception of Providence & Wrocester or the Genessee & Wyoming family of lines).
Part of their marketing strategy is to explain how many tractors trailers a single carload could take off local highways.
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chicagodudewhotrades Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:47:53am |
re: #242 EIDE_Interface
You have a fair point, but the trend of evidence is pointing to Obambi being in trouble.
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:48:21am |
re: #241 EIDE_Interface
She always looks so forced out there. No humor, no real connection with an audience. Think Ronald Reagan and imagine the total opposite. Hillary reminds me of a Soviet apparatchik in a grey pantsuit.
She has been compared, in that regard, to her old nemisis, Richard Milhous Nixon. I imagine she finds that particularly galling . . .
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:49:34am |
re: #245 Temujin
She has been compared, in that regard, to her old nemisis, Richard Milhous Nixon. I imagine she finds that particularly galling . . .
Nixon actually knew what he was talking about wrt policy...
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:51:55am |
re: #242 EIDE_Interface
You are projecting what political junkies think on swing voters who don't even read blogs? I wouldn't extrapolate like that.
You realize the vast majority of Americans don't read political blogs?
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:52:38am |
re: #246 EIDE_Interface
True that, but I doubt Hillary would be impressed ; she does not strike me as a "credit-where-credit-is-due" type.
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:52:41am |
re: #236 littleoldlady
LOL! Any chance in getting some fruitcup a few minutes early? I have got to head to bed!
On second thought, fruitcup wouldn't be good to sleep on. :-)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:53:10am |
While we're on an open thread here, I should take this opportunity to mention that I had no idea that Shirley Manson was like....ten years older than me. I wouldn't be surprised if she had some work done, but she's still looking nice.
/I'm sure she's a moonbat and all, but I wouldn't kick her off my lap for singing '#1 Crush'
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:53:56am |
Intrepid!
Don't you MOVE!
/I counted you in my fruit purchase...
;-)
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:54:39am |
re: #247 Sharmuta
You realize the vast majority of Americans don't read
political blogs?
Fixed that for ya . . .
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:55:56am |
re: #251 littleoldlady
Intrepid!
Don't you MOVE!
/I counted you in my fruit purchase...
;-)
I guess 5 more minutes won't kill me.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:56:05am |
re: #251 littleoldlady
Should I ask how fruitcup futures are faring on Wall St.?
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chicagodudewhotrades Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:56:58am |
i'm hungry. i'll take a fruit cup if there are any extra
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:58:00am |
re: #237 EIDE_Interface
It's changing. We even have a train that carries people now!
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:58:16am |
Good read from RedState about the disgusting Obama ad about immigration/Rush/McCain AND the Palin e-mail hacker things.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:58:27am |
re: #254 Fenway_Nation
Should I ask how fruitcup futures are faring on Wall St.?
I wouldn't. Last week before the grapefruit hit the fan apples were still $2.49/pound
/that's BEFORE the markup I put on them to sell on the corner...
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 1:58:55am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:00:08am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:01:28am |
Sharmuta! :-)
We're switching to paper napkins. :-/
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:01:32am |
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Brigman Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:01:48am |
anyone see the Palin/McCain townhall today?
Caught a clip on you tube that showed the Real Governator off pretty well
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:02:33am |
Thanks littleoldlady. You bring that ray of sunshine to a dark thread.
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:03:25am |
On [Link: www.electoral-vote.com:...]
Yesterday, McCain was up by 10 electoral votes, 257-247.
Today, McCain is up by 31 electoral votes, 274-243. This on the heels of Yet Another Government Bailout.
Democrats consider "bad news," especially concerning the economy, to be good news for them. This really puts a "minkey"-wrench into their thought patterns.
Could it be that the tide has turned, and voters are actually examining whose efforts support strong/weak economies?
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:05:30am |
re: #270 victor_yugo
What did McCain pick up that off-set the loss of Iowa?
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:06:40am |
You're all very welcome!
/bandwidth diet ;-)
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Intrepid Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:07:23am |
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:07:39am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
Thank you. Just wait until I get a better camera. :)
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:07:46am |
re: #270 victor_yugo
To coin a phrase, this is no time to send a boy to do a man's job.
/(That's . . . racist ! ! !)
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:07:55am |
re: #270 victor_yugo
Good morning, victor! :-)
Is "minkey" something one can wear?
/I hear it's going to be an extra cold winter...
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:13:58am |
re: #277 littleoldlady
/I hear it's going to be an extra cold winter...
They're predicting frost tonight on the radio.
Algore lied, my tomato plants died.
Oh well!
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:14:43am |
Redstate has a list of Fed regs violated by our hacker. Bet he's re-thinking what he done.When Vetting A Candidate Becomes a Federal Offense
The intrusion into Sarah Palin's email inbox was not merely a scummy invasion of privacy. It was also almost certainly a federal crime, one that the FBI and Secret Service are investigating. (And the Secret Service tends to look at this sort of thing ... personally.) This isn't merely part of "politics ain't beanbag," it's criminal. And anyone encouraging these criminals or utilizing the fruits of their crimes is tossing in with the criminals. I think we'll see in the next couple of days which side the media and Obama's campaign (but I repeat myself) stand on.
Again, what about reposting what you know has been obtained illegally. Huffington put out screen shots and I'm willing to bet most DU type blogs did too.
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Brigman Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:14:48am |
Remember Nancy is just 2 heartbeats away from being POTUS
eeeeeek
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:15:11am |
re: #280 Temujin
WOW. :-(
/thanks for reminding me about my tomatoes & peppers. they're in pots so they should do okay for a while...
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:17:05am |
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Temujin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:17:53am |
re: #283 littleoldlady
What a year!
If the root-rot didn't get you, overnite frost will!
My poor Victory Garden.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:18:09am |
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akak Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:18:25am |
So the Chinese are bailing out Morgan Stanley? How refreshing!
This can't be good.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:19:53am |
re: #285 Temujin
I had a gorgeous garden this year. I managed to get impatiens in everywhere they needed to be. I have tons of hosta. My perennials really took off.
And a few days ago a deer came by and ate EVERYTHING. The ENTIRE GARDEN.
:-( :-( :-(
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:20:07am |
re: #277 littleoldlady
Good morning, victor! :-)
Is "minkey" something one can wear?
/I hear it's going to be an extra cold winter...
Mornin' LOL.
"Minkey" is an Inspecteur Clouseau phrase. ;-) " 'E 'ad a minkey wizzout a laizahnce..."
re: #271 Intrepid
I'm not sure. The figures just stuck in my head. (And I'm in flagrante delicto of the Iron Fist Rule right now.) However, the new polling data is available further down the page. Look for "Today's Polls."
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:20:30am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:21:13am |
re: #283 littleoldlady
Tomatoes are a fruit, aren't they?
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:22:41am |
re: #288 littleoldlady
I had a gorgeous garden this year. I managed to get impatiens in everywhere they needed to be. I have tons of hosta. My perennials really took off.
And a few days ago a deer came by and ate EVERYTHING. The ENTIRE GARDEN.
:-( :-( :-(
If it's any comfort, remember that it simply did what the good Lord made it to do.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:23:53am |
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:24:07am |
re: #291 Fenway_Nation
Tomatoes are a fruit, aren't they?
Yes, they are. The plant produces its own seed.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:24:58am |
re: #292 victor_yugo
If it's any comfort, remember that it simply did what the good Lord made it to do.
Wonder if the good Lord means for me to shoot them...
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:25:32am |
Hmmm, maybe I should review my policies today.
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:26:35am |
re: #293 littleoldlady
"It's nut my dog"
Another fantastic line from the same flick.
"Duzz yeur dahg baiht?"
When I first saw that, most of the Pink Panther humor was over my head, but that one hit me like a pie in the face.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:27:32am |
re: #281 Rancher
Redstate has a list of Fed regs violated by our hacker. Bet he's re-thinking what he done.When Vetting A Candidate Becomes a Federal Offense
Again, what about reposting what you know has been obtained illegally. Huffington put out screen shots and I'm willing to bet most DU type blogs did too.
What about linking to the site?
If the feds go ahead with the arrest and prosecution, what will the moonbats do? Claim persecution?
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:27:34am |
re: #286 littleoldlady
re: #290 BlueCanuck
Panhandler lurks all day and night. Panhandler don't got much to say cause the learning curve is always ahead. Panhandler thanks you for your interest. Panhandler don't panhandle no more due to retirement (and pride.)
You shoot deer, we unnerstan.
Don't be knockin the small hedge funds, they gotta eat too.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:29:45am |
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SouthAmericanWay Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:30:47am |
Several polls released by ARG (American Research Group), which I have found extremely trustworthy in the past, were made available yesterday evening (Colorado, Missouri, Ohio, and - as a trend - Illinois are particularly interesting):
State McCain Obama
AL 58% 36%
AK 55% 39%
AZ 56% 39%
CO 46% 44%
DE 40% 51%
DC 13% 82%
HI 32% 63%
ID 68% 25%
IL 45% 51%
KS 63% 31%
KY 57% 37%
LA 50% 43%
ME 41% 51%
MS 55% 39%
MO 50% 45%
MT 49% 47%
NV 49% 46%
NM 44% 51%
NY 38% 55%
NC 52% 41%
OH 50% 44%
RI 33% 59%
TX 57% 36%
UT 65% 29%
WV 49% 45%
WY 66% 28%
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:31:24am |
re: #295 littleoldlady
Wonder if the good Lord means for me to shoot them...
I believe, yes He does. Not in hostility, but rather in gratitude to Him for bringing food to you and your family.
I have a rather unique viewpoint on humanity's relation to animals, but you'll have to ask for it some other time when I'm more able to elucidate it properly. Iron Fist Rule and all.
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:34:15am |
re: #301 SouthAmericanWay
Did Pennsylvania leave the Union when I wasn't looking? :-(
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:34:39am |
re: #304 littleoldlady
Can you sell me your franchise?
Franchise is free, just file paperwork. Good name buyout will cost you though.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:35:34am |
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:36:44am |
re: #300 MandyManners
Is a cucumber a fruit?
Yes. Same reason. Many plants commonly considered "vegetables" are actually fruits. However, their handling and preparation are more in line with vegetables, thanks to their lower sugar content.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:41:04am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:41:38am |
re: #306 Panhandler
Franchise is free, just file paperwork. Good name buyout will cost you though.
Figures. :-(
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:41:58am |
I think some people have been hanging around buzzsawmonkey too much.
/it's getting a little too punny in here some days.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:42:03am |
re: #308 victor_yugo
Yes. Same reason. Many plants commonly considered "vegetables" are actually fruits. However, their handling and preparation are more in line with vegetables, thanks to their lower sugar content.
Maybe that's why our Yorkie loves cukes and tomatoes.
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:42:20am |
re: #309 MandyManners
I've been told my personality can be gritty.
Honest grit beats insincere sweetness every time, at least for me.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:43:10am |
re: #309 MandyManners
I've been told my personality can be gritty.
Fastest cluebat in 5 states. And she does it with grace and style.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:44:26am |
re: #311 BlueCanuck
I think some people have been hanging around buzzsawmonkey too much.
/it's getting a little too punny in here some days.
What? "These are not the puns you are looking for?"
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:44:50am |
Gonna' go make a mug of tea before I blush myself silly.
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:44:50am |
re: #312 MandyManners
Maybe that's why our Yorkie loves cukes and tomatoes.
Possibly, but a more likely reason is that dog, just like cats, need the nutrition from those to help with their night vision. Cats' and dogs' eyes use nutrients from non-leafy veggies (even if they're actually fruits) to maintain the reflector membranes in their retinas.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:46:42am |
re: #287 akak
The Chinese have so attached themselves to us that we will never be true enemies. Capitalism has killed the PRC. (Why do marxist regimes feel the need to put words like republic, PRC, and democratic, GDR, into their names?)
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:47:42am |
Snark, Olbermann gets Adams off to get his buddy Maddow in, boasts about it on KOS. Now Maddow is outdoing Olbermann.
JUSTICE!
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:48:49am |
re: #319 Rancher
Why do marxist regimes feel the need to put words like republic, PRC, and democratic, GDR, into their names?
Many years ago, my borderline-Socialist mother taught me this simple maxim:
Nations that put "Peoples' " or "Democratic" into their names, most likely aren't.
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bullskin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:50:07am |
I attended a Madonna's concert last Tuesday. Professional staging, sound, lightning, half themes boring for my taste, awful wardrobe overall and thousands of subliminal shots in four big screens: from nazis, kids with AK's, wars, you know, all politically correct crap mixed which ended with four pictures of Mr. Hussein Obama along the stage that faded away after three or four seconds, not milliseconds. People cheered.
There are also idiots like those who cheered that don't have a clue of what McCain/Palin means but believe any media garbage. It may be obvious, but I'd be afraid of this since they can vote and this happened before in Spain.
(Spain is sinking at a higher rate that the rest of Europe and that twit of zapatero has rushed heading for a tour starting in Syria, Asia and even New York (where nobody will go and meet him, no one of the US government have already met him) just to show he is doing something.
Beware of Obama, he is copying the bipolar behaviour and tactics of this imbecile, specially the way to tell the biggest lies without a blink.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:51:12am |
re: #318 victor_yugo
I thought cucumbers had no nutritional value.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:54:00am |
re: #324 Rancher
No, that's eggplant. Cucumbers have some nutrients in them.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:55:00am |
Do you get the feeling that the Center for the Advancement of Capitolism isn't really advocating capitolism?
Morality
It's interesting that those so in favor of abortion took the trouble to be born first. "Life for me, BUT NOT for thee."
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:55:03am |
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:56:22am |
If I could grow eggs I'd die in a year. Three months with a bacon bush.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:57:19am |
re: #318 victor_yugo
Possibly, but a more likely reason is that dog, just like cats, need the nutrition from those to help with their night vision. Cats' and dogs' eyes use nutrients from non-leafy veggies (even if they're actually fruits) to maintain the reflector membranes in their retinas.
I once served a cat that loved oranges. He was a stray at one time, though, and had learned to eat anything.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:57:53am |
re: #327 littleoldlady
Seriously. Eggplant has no fats, vitamins, antioxidants, or fibre. It's a true zero sum food. Lettuce has some stuff, but not too much. But lettuce does have fiber.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:59:51am |
re: #318 victor_yugo
Possibly, but a more likely reason is that dog, just like cats, need the nutrition from those to help with their night vision. Cats' and dogs' eyes use nutrients from non-leafy veggies (even if they're actually fruits) to maintain the reflector membranes in their retinas.
Bernard Samson, is that you?
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 2:59:56am |
re: #325 BlueCanuck
No, that's eggplant. Cucumbers have some nutrients in them.
You've obviously never had garlic-fried eggplant. If someone ever forced me to choose one edible plant for the rest of my life, that would be it.
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:00:04am |
This is why i have maintained that Christians have nothing to fear from honest scientific inquiry and discussion of origins:
It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.
— Thomas Paine
———————& #8212;—————— 8212;
This has probably already been said, but the FBI and USSS are investigating the hack and publishing of Gov. Palin's email account. Even if you think she has something to hide, most all vigilante acts are still criminal acts... It (hacking her account) is a stupid and unethical stunt that will likely get someone convicted.
It seems funny that those who cry loudest about the government prying into domestic phone calls and such to look for terrorists seem to see no wrong in prying into Palin's emails. I wonder if the reason they fear the domestic "spying" is that they, if they had this ability, would use their finds to hurt and blackmail and can't conceive that others may be more scrupulous and ethical.
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:00:51am |
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:01:52am |
Good morning Goddess, a little political campaigning to lighten you day.
Get out the vote.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:02:04am |
CNN has started the attack against Gov. Palin because it is repeating the charge that she used her e-mail account for government business.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:02:54am |
re: #338 victor_yugo
I'm re-reading Deighton right now.
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victor_yugo Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:03:25am |
re: #337 David IV of Georgia
It seems funny that those who cry loudest about the government prying into domestic phone calls and such to look for terrorists seem to see no wrong in prying into Palin's emails.
Quite the opposite on Slashdot. The consensus seems to be how Anonymous crossed the line into unethical territory by doing this. If it's wrong for the gov't (the Slashdot line), then it's wrong for Anonymous as well, no matter Sarah Palin's politics.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:03:33am |
re: #339 Panhandler
Nerts, -5 for spelling. I tremble in awe and it forces me into mistakes.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:03:48am |
re: #340 MandyManners
CNN has started the attack against Gov. Palin because it is repeating the charge that she used her e-mail account for government business.
Grrrrrrrrrr!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:04:55am |
re: #337 David IV of Georgia
I wonder if the reason they fear the domestic "spying" is that they, if they had this ability, would use their finds to hurt and blackmail and can't conceive that others may be more scrupulous and ethical.
There you go!
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littleoldlady Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:05:01am |
My horrorscope for the day...
Speaking your mind will sway a person you assumed was a lost cause. You finally find the right combination of words and intensity to make him or her come around to the way everyone else sees the current dilemma.
AHA! This might be the today to finally convince my little brother (the last holdout) to vote for McCain.
Good day, ALL!™
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:06:48am |
re: #339 Panhandler
Good morning Goddess, a little political campaigning to lighten you day.
Get out the vote.
I'm pro-choice and I find that incredibly reprehensible.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:08:23am |
re: #348 littleoldlady
My horrorscope for the day...
AHA! This might be the today to finally convince my little brother (the last holdout) to vote for McCain.Good day, ALL!™
Watch out for the mad mullahs!
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akak Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:08:39am |
re: #319 Rancher
The Chinese have so attached themselves to us that we will never be true enemies. Capitalism has killed the PRC. (Why do marxist regimes feel the need to put words like republic, PRC, and democratic, GDR, into their names?)
I find Interior Ministry particularly scary!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:09:34am |
re: #351 akak
I find Interior Ministry particularly scary!
I wonder if China will execute the bastards who deliberately tainted baby formula.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:10:20am |
re: #349 MandyManners
I'm pro-choice and I find that incredibly reprehensible.
I'm assuming you're referring to #326. I'm pro choice also but that bit of drek crosses any sort of line.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:10:25am |
re: #346 Sharmuta
Grrrrrrrrrr!
I'm holding my DE .50 to my head to force myself to watch CNN this morning.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:12:30am |
re: #352 MandyManners
I wonder if China will execute the bastards who deliberately tainted baby formula.
Who don't they execute?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:13:10am |
re: #353 Panhandler
I'm assuming you're referring to #326. I'm pro choice also but that bit of drek crosses any sort of line.
I wonder if that asshole dreams of goose-stepping soldiers at night.
(No. 339's link is the same as No. 326's link.)
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:14:25am |
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:15:57am |
CNN just ran a whatchamacallit in which a Jewish voter said she didn't want BHO but, didn't know what to do to stop Sen. McCain and the alleged four-more-years-of-Bush policy.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:16:15am |
re: #356 MandyManners
Dang! Fumble fingers or what? #339 was supposed to be a LOL Cat for Goddess. Application line showed the LOL Cat link, don't know how the Capitolist link got back in there.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:16:59am |
re: #359 Panhandler
Please post the LOL link! I need it after reading that shit.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:17:40am |
Bye littleoldlady, good morning goddess.
/got my final short break of the day and I miss everyone. :)
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:18:41am |
re: #358 MandyManners
I hope the safety's on your Desert Eagle....
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:19:26am |
CNN on Jews in Florida.
BHO's spokeswoman at a Jewish retirement center pronounced Barak as "Baruch". Egad.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:20:12am |
re: #364 Fenway_Nation
I hope the safety's on your Desert Eagle....
Nah. I like to live on the edge.
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:22:42am |
re: #344 victor_yugo
Quite the opposite on Slashdot. The consensus seems to be how Anonymous crossed the line into unethical territory by doing this. If it's wrong for the gov't (the Slashdot line), then it's wrong for Anonymous as well, no matter Sarah Palin's politics.
I'm glad that some do see the problem with private citizens revealing such information, regardless of motive or reason. Outside of official investigating of crime, there is no ethical reason for such behavior. I, unlike Slashdot, have no problem with the gov't conducting such surveillance, so long as there is proper oversight and accountability. I know lots of people who are privy to damning or criminal private information on others but never say a peep about it—it would be unethical, you see.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:25:51am |
Mornin' Lizards...how is everyone today?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:27:25am |
re: #369 David IV of Georgia
I'm glad that some do see the problem with private citizens revealing such information, regardless of motive or reason. Outside of official investigating of crime, there is no ethical reason for such behavior. I, unlike Slashdot, have no problem with the gov't conducting such surveillance, so long as there is proper oversight and accountability. I know lots of people who are privy to damning or criminal private information on others but never say a peep about it—it would be unethical, you see.
Outside of professional relationships which require strict confidentiality why would it be unethical to drop a dime on someone you know is committing a crime?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:28:22am |
re: #370 scottishbuzzsaw
Mornin' Lizards...how is everyone today?
Shitty. Hot flashes are for the freakin' birds.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:28:41am |
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:28:53am |
Morning scottishbuzzsaw. Ready to take on the day?
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:29:15am |
re: #65 EIDE_Interface
In the sense it's just complaining about the awful MSM(yeah we know they're evil), but proposes no solutions.
Just like you. Whine and complain, but propose no solutions. Get your butt down to the local GOP campaign office, and volunteer your time.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:29:25am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:30:06am |
re: #377 BlueCanuck
Morning scottishbuzzsaw. Ready to take on the day?
I'm getting there...second cup of coffee is helping. How are you?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:30:25am |
re: #379 Alberta Oil Peon
heh heh. Yeah, that lizard has been snarking all night.
/wonder where he went?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:31:16am |
re: #381 scottishbuzzsaw
Getting ready to wind up the day. Two hours to go before I go home.
/ah sleep how I miss thee.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:31:57am |
re: #368 MandyManners
NOT SHIT ON MCCAIN IN FLORIDA!
Don't forget, this is the network that played games with Saddam so they could get exclusive coverage in Iraq. You think they'd pass up a chance to get in on the inside line with their boy Obama? Sheesh, they pushed their candidate Wesley Clark until he choked in 04.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:33:02am |
re: #380 scottishbuzzsaw
Oh, ain't that the truth!
They're not so bad at night in the summer 'cause cooling off doesn't leave you shivering.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:33:16am |
re: #376 MandyManners
Awwwww...looks like a feline fascist.
I thought of Huey Long for some reason...
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:34:16am |
re: #384 Panhandler
Don't forget, this is the network that played games with Saddam so they could get exclusive coverage in Iraq. You think they'd pass up a chance to get in on the inside line with their boy Obama? Sheesh, they pushed their candidate Wesley Clark until he choked in 04.
What was the name of the muck-a-muck who pushed and defended that?
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:34:45am |
re: #386 scottishbuzzsaw
I thought of Huey Long for some reason...
Yeah, that tie really doesn't go with that suit.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:35:49am |
re: #374 Sharmuta
Sweetie, I tried reading through the thread from the beginning, but a certain someone became insufferable quickly...your patience will be your undoing! Just *whack* already!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:36:31am |
re: #386 scottishbuzzsaw
I thought of Huey Long for some reason...
Wouldn't Huey have promised etouffee for all?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:37:08am |
re: #382 BlueCanuck
heh heh. Yeah, that lizard has been snarking all night.
/wonder where he went?
Back to his coffin?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:37:28am |
re: #383 BlueCanuck
Getting ready to wind up the day. Two hours to go before I go home.
/ah sleep how I miss thee.
Soon, Blue, soon...hold on just a little longer...
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:39:33am |
I think we know which way Kurlander leans. 4th one down is the best of snark so far today.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:41:42am |
re: #392 scottishbuzzsaw
Soon, Blue, soon...hold on just a little longer...
Bright side, it's pay day and I start my weekend when I am done work.
/silver lining.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:42:43am |
re: #337 David IV of Georgia
I wonder if the reason they fear the domestic "spying" is that they, if they had this ability, would use their finds to hurt and blackmail and can't conceive that others may be more scrupulous and ethical.
Can you say 900 FBI files?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:43:26am |
CNN is going after Gov. Palin's "pet project" in Wasilla. The opponent they got a sound-bite from must be a tundra-bat.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:43:30am |
re: #389 scottishbuzzsaw
Well- that's sweet of you to say. Heck- you should have seen him two threads down!
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:45:11am |
Look, there's artistic statement I'll agree, but this is just a little too unsubtle.
Michelle O
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:45:26am |
re: #396 MandyManners
CNN is going after Gov. Palin's "pet project" in Wasilla. The opponent they got a sound-bite from must be a tundra-bat.
Nothing on 0bama's pet projects in Chicago? The ones infested with rats?
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:47:34am |
re: #399 Sharmuta
Nothing on 0bama's pet projects in Chicago? The ones infested with rats?
I thought that was his pet project in Nairobi....
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:48:14am |
re: #397 Sharmuta
Well- that's sweet of you to say. Heck- you should have seen him two threads down!
Oh dear...something about him/her/it that just sets off the b.s./creep o'meter...
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:48:18am |
re: #399 Sharmuta
Nothing on 0bama's pet projects in Chicago? The ones infested with rats?
Do they not even know about it or, are they deliberately ignoring it? I think it's the latter because delving into it would bring the Rezko connection screaming out of the closet.
Maybe McCain/Palin should take it on with a series of ads.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:48:32am |
re: #397 Sharmuta
Heck, he's been going at it all bloody week it feels like.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:48:47am |
re: #398 Panhandler
Look, there's artistic statement I'll agree, but this is just a little too unsubtle.
Michelle O
That doesn't look like michelle at all! Her mouth isn't pursed.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:49:12am |
re: #401 scottishbuzzsaw
Either a moby, or a troll in training.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:49:22am |
re: #398 Panhandler
Look, there's artistic statement I'll agree, but this is just a little too unsubtle.
Michelle O
Yeah, I saw that earlier...I can't imagine her liking it though...*insert MO's scowling face*
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:49:55am |
re: #403 BlueCanuck
Heck, he's been going at it all bloody week it feels like.
Since before the convention.
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yochanan Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:51:37am |
McCain has experience and even tried to work on fannie mae back in 2005
obama give good SPEECH.
which is sort of like giving good 'head' (I know ME BAD)
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:51:45am |
re: #407 Sharmuta
Should we start a pool for when he gets the stick? Haven't seen one poster accumulate so many down dings in one thread.
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Alberta Oil Peon Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:51:49am |
re: #209 EIDE_Interface
Yeah except those Democrats in NY/NJ would rather die then ever vote for a Republican. They're just so far gone mentally speaking, it matters not to them that they've entrusted state government to Democrats for so long, they don't care. Now Michigan is a different story, more Midwest values at work.
Bloody Hell, man. You'd complain if you were hanged with a new rope.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:52:42am |
re: #410 Alberta Oil Peon
Bloody Hell, man. You'd complain if you were hanged with a new rope.
{applause}
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:54:25am |
re: #400 Fenway_Nation
I thought that was his pet project in Nairobi....
Kenya, I think.
Both were born to Kenyan fathers of the same tribe (the Luo) from the same province (Nyanza), and both of their fathers came as boys to America aboard the same airplane. Growing up, neither Ochieng nor Obama knew their fathers, who both abandoned their American mothers and left their American-born children behind. Both of their fathers returned to Africa in the early 1960s and became friends, bonding at Kenyan bars over their favorite drink — Scotch. Both Ochieng's and Obama's mothers contracted ovarian cancer. (Hers survived it; his did not). Both Ochieng and Obama were born in the U.S. in August 1961 — only weeks apart.
But for someone with parallel beginnings, Juliette Akinyi Ochieng is quite different: Evangelical Christian. Working class. Military veteran. Pro-life. Conservative Republican.
SNIP
Recent visitors to her site cannot miss her new mission: Making good on a promise to a Kenyan school named in honor of Barack Obama.
It's a promise, she says, that Barack Obama broke.
In August 2006, Senator Obama toured Kenya, his first trip to his father's nation. Thousands of Kenyans welcomed him, international media followed wherever he went, and glowing stories flowed forth.
One spot he visited was the recently renamed Senator Obama Kogelo Secondary School in Nyang'oma-Kogelo, a village in equatorial western Kenya where Obama's roots go deep: His father, Barack Sr., was born there. His 86-year-old step-grandmother, Sarah, still lives there in a brick shanty with a tin roof and no running water.
Almost exactly two years ago, Barack Obama visited the school built upon land that, decades ago, Obama's grandfather donated. In anticipation of Obama's visit, the school changed its name to honor the village's most famous progeny, Barack Jr.
The school had only four classrooms. It lacked water, functioning bathrooms and even electricity. A third of its students were orphans. Its extreme need made Senator Obama's speech there all the more riveting for the village residents.
"Hopefully, I can provide some assistance in the future to this school and all that it can be," Obama said. Looking directly at the school's principal, Yuanita Obiero, and her teachers, he added, "I know you are working very hard and struggling to bring up this school, but I have said I will assist the school, and I will do so."
In the two years since, Obama has experienced a meteoric political rise, becoming the Democratic flag-bearer, authoring a best-seller and last year, with his wife, Michelle, earning $4.2 million. He bought a luxury home. Last year, he gave $240,000 to charities.
But apparently not to the Senator Obama Kogelo School. "Senator Obama has not honored the promises he gave me when we met in 2006 and in his earlier letter to the school," Principal Obiero has told the London-based, conservative tabloid EveningStandard. "He has not given us even one shilling. But we still have hope."
As the Standard reports it, Principal Obiero explained, "We interpreted his words as meaning he would help fund the school, either personally or by raising sponsors or both, in order to give our school desperately needed modern facilities and a face-lift."
SNIP
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:56:04am |
re: #404 Sharmuta
That doesn't look like michelle at all! Her mouth isn't pursed.
I like to call WAB's purse-lipped face the CBF, CatButtFace.
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yochanan Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:58:02am |
There is a gov't funded project in obama's district were they were supposed to make a park in a group of vacant lots were they spent millions and only ended up with a gazebo in a rat infested trash heap.
And the crony got to keep the millions that were supposed to be spent on it.
YEAH RIGHT.
anyone got a link to this.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 3:58:50am |
re: #413 MandyManners
I like to call WAB's purse-lipped face the CBF, CatButtFace.
Lord, give me the serenity to accept that which happens in my life, the courage to fight against the foul, the heart to help those around me, and the common sense NOT TO PISS MANDY OFF
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:00:50am |
re: #416 Panhandler
Yeah, don't want to run afoul of her clue-by-four. I hear it really smarts when it connects.
/have been lucky so far.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:00:51am |
Rothschild just pointed out the hypocrisy of Hillary re: equal pay. BHO pays women on his staff 77 per cent of what he pays women. She noted that Sen. McCain has more women in higher positions than BHO. And, she noted that the victim in the Tail-Hook scandal went to Sen. McCain.
Ooh. She just tore a few strips off of BHO.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:02:02am |
re: #416 Panhandler
Lord, give me the serenity to accept that which happens in my life, the courage to fight against the foul, the heart to help those around me, and the common sense NOT TO PISS MANDY OFF
Look at a cat's butt, and then compare to WAB's scowl.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:05:07am |
re: #419 MandyManners
Look at a cat's butt, and then compare to WAB's scowl.
Do I gotta? That little brown circle in the middle always reminds me of Obama's "victory sign."
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:05:56am |
re: #420 Panhandler
Do I gotta? That little brown circle in the middle always reminds me of Obama's "victory sign."
SNORT AND SPEW
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galloping granny Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:06:03am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:06:08am |
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:35am |
Good morning, Lizards.
On the way to work this morning I heard NPR interviewing women who have "made a firm decision to be stay at home moms for life." (I know who wears the pants in those households.)
Some of the comments:
Sarah Palin has never met a foreign head of state.
She is being so unfair to the one year old who has down syndrome
She has been caught in untruth time and time again.
If it weren't infuriating, these women would be hilarious.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:08:32am |
These two really need to get a room, though...
[Link: bp0.blogger.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:08:55am |
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:02am |
re: #423 scottishbuzzsaw
The Board of Directors of Lehman Brothers?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:25am |
re: #423 scottishbuzzsaw
Some kiwi to make you smile...
[Link: bp0.blogger.com...]
LOL! And, it did!
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:10:30am |
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:07am |
Heh, F&F just played something about Obama talking about McCain calling for a commission to investigate. Wasn't there a link talking about how Pelosi wanted to start a commission to investigate the economic issues too?
Did Obama throw Pelosi under the bus?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:29am |
re: #424 NC State of Mind
Good morning, Lizards.
On the way to work this morning I heard NPR interviewing women who have "made a firm decision to be stay at home moms for life." (I know who wears the pants in those households.)
Some of the comments:
Sarah Palin has never met a foreign head of state.
She is being so unfair to the one year old who has down syndrome
She has been caught in untruth time and time again.If it weren't infuriating, these women would be hilarious.
Moonbats are SAHM's, too.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:36am |
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:53am |
re: #387 MandyManners
What was the name of the muck-a-muck who pushed and defended that?
Eason Jordan. The one who also famously accused U.S. troops in Iraq of "targeting journalists" in Iraq.
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williwonka Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:58am |
The new Watergate?
The Watergate break in by the operatives linked to Nixon was done to obtain information about the opponents.
Why is a break in to an e-mail account, not, considered a similar crime?
Suppose all the information Hunt and his crew were seeking had been available on the computers of the opponents.
Would using hackers to view and thus "steal" that information have been any different?
Legally the crime might have been treated differently but perhaps the computer stealing could have been sanitized under the notion that the public had the right to know if the Democrats intended to use dirty tricks to disrupt the campaign of the other party.
The break in and stealing of the Palin e-mails is IMO identical to Watergate but the level of outrage is less, in part, because it has not yet been tied to the opposition.
And in part, it is less because the "good guys" did it making some see it as justified. The seriousness of the charge. Mixing private and official business. No even worse, concealing official business by calling it private. This of course justifies a break in even of the old Watergate type. Or does it?
Sure as long as one releases whatever one steals to the press ones motives must have been pure. Right?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:19am |
re: #431 TheMatrix31
Heh, F&F just played something about Obama talking about McCain calling for a commission to investigate. Wasn't there a link talking about how Pelosi wanted to start a commission to investigate the economic issues too?
Did Obama throw Pelosi under the bus?
That reminds me--how have Pelosi's green stocks fared lately?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:00am |
re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw
Wow...cats do the darndest things...
[Link: bp3.blogger.com...]
LOL! That'd be a funny LOLCatz.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:27am |
re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw
Wow...cats do the darndest things...
[Link: bp3.blogger.com...]
Nah, he's just waiting for the dog to come in and get a drink, then POW!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:33am |
re: #434 Dar ul Harb
Eason Jordan. The one who also famously accused U.S. troops in Iraq of "targeting journalists" in Iraq.
Thanks! I kept on thinking of Vernon Jordan but, I knew that wasn't right.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:38am |
re: #436 MandyManners
That reminds me--how have Pelosi's green stocks fared lately?
Hell if I know. I try to avoid looking at her or thinking about her at any cost.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:50am |
re: #435 williwonka
It's a crime and he will be caught and prosecuted. Unless Obama has a slush fund and the hacker was paid by such the similarity ends.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:17:06am |
re: #435 williwonka
I've not seen any evidence that Gov. Palin used her private account for public business.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:17:47am |
Morning all. Interesting read over at information dissemination:
Iran needs scary headlines. Fallling oil prices hurt the mullahs. How do you make oil prices rise?
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galloping granny Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:18:01am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:18:07am |
re: #442 MandyManners
I've not seen any evidence that Gov. Palin used her private account for public business.
There is none- even the hacker said so.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:18:22am |
re: #440 TheMatrix31
Hell if I know. I try to avoid looking at her or thinking about her at any cost.
I caught a snippet of her saying that during the good times on Wall Street, the rich get richer but, during bad times, the poor get poorer. I wonder if she knows shit about 401K's.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:08am |
re: #444 galloping granny
Ah - she has now just appeared on Fox :)
Did she mention BHO's paying women less than men? BHO's elitism?
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:32am |
re: #442 MandyManners
I've not seen any evidence that Gov. Palin used her private account for public business.
The hacker said he broke in looking for some govt dirt but it was all personal/family stuff. He was so disappointed that he put up the screen grabs, especially the email addresses.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:36am |
re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw
Caption: DON'T FLUSH! DON'T FLUSH!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:39am |
re: #445 Sharmuta
There is none- even the hacker said so.
So, why is CNN running with the charges that she did? Can't those idiots read?
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:42am |
re: #445 Sharmuta
There is none- even the hacker said so.
But that hasn't stopped the MSM from (presumably) coordinating with the Obama campaign to make the accusation.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:20:33am |
re: #450 MandyManners
So, why is CNN running with the charges that she did? Can't those idiots read?
No.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:20:44am |
re: #448 Panhandler
The hacker said he broke in looking for some govt dirt but it was all personal/family stuff. He was so disappointed that he put up the screen grabs, especially the email addresses.
I wonder if he'll be allowed to post bail over the weekend in a federal lock-up?
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galloping granny Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:27am |
re: #447 MandyManners
Did she mention BHO's paying women less than men? BHO's elitism?
She was just arriving on the set - has just spoken to his being an elitist and now there is a commercial.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:39am |
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:49am |
re: #450 MandyManners
So, why is CNN running with the charges that she did? Can't those idiots read?
Of course they can read! It says "she allegedly conducted public business with a private email account" right in the DNC talking points!
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:22:26am |
re: #455 Panhandler
Never ever let the facts get in the way of a good story line.
The motto of the MSM...
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galloping granny Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:21am |
re: #445 Sharmuta
There is none- even the hacker said so.
All of the commenters of Fox last night were just livid that she "had used her account for government business" even though they were repeatedly told there was no evidence of this. It really sounds to me like this was the real reason her account was hacked.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:35am |
re: #452 scottishbuzzsaw
This is the first time I've watched CNN exclusively in the morning since the first Gulf War. I am disgusted. I knew they were in the tank for BHO but, I had no idea how completely.
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williwonka Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:38am |
re: #441 Rancher
But in part that is the point. Now so many years later we have evolved. One does not need to get their hands dirty. A band of totally independent nut roots can be stimulated to do the deeds one wants done without any direct orders.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:40am |
re: #451 Dar ul Harb
But that hasn't stopped the MSM from (presumably) coordinating with the Obama campaign to make the accusation.
Conservative blogs have been a great watchdog over the past few years. Liberal blogs are worth their weight in gold too-they serve as a scapegoat that is lower on the totem pole that still allows these dogs to get their message out. Probably with the direct help of MSM too.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:45am |
re: #442 MandyManners
That wouldn't stop the MSM from slinging more shit at Palin in the hopes that something sticks.
/Wonder if the Dems and MSM will spend half the effort villifying terrorists who blow up crowded marketplaces and proclaim jihad against all the world as much as they're villifying Palin
/I already know the answer
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:30am |
re: #451 Dar ul Harb
But that hasn't stopped the MSM from (presumably) coordinating with the Obama campaign to make the accusation.
Yep- the msm is all over spreading that untruth to the American people who might not be taking the time we are looking into the matter. Not only is there zero evidence she did this- I'm not even sure it would be a crime for her to do so. In fact, I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be a crime so long as the emails were made available to the public, whereas if she conducted personal business on her government email, it would be.
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Dar ul Harb Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:52am |
re: #453 MandyManners
I wonder if he'll be allowed to post bail over the weekend in a federal lock-up?
He'll probably have one of those restraining orders that requires that someone else dial the phone for him.
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galloping granny Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:32am |
re: #459 MandyManners
This is the first time I've watched CNN exclusively in the morning since the first Gulf War. I am disgusted. I knew they were in the tank for BHO but, I had no idea how completely.
Why are you wading in the swamp?
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:54am |
re: #463 Sharmuta
It depends on the email. Palin's release of the govt emails concerning the dismissal of the AHP supervisor have recieved 0 play.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:28:17am |
re: #456 Dar ul Harb
Of course they can read! It says "she allegedly conducted public business with a private email account" right in the DNC talking points!
Part and parcel of the propaganda techniques I learned in J-school.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:17am |
re: #462 Fenway_Nation
I heard that an America was killed in the attack on our embassy yesterday.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:40am |
re: #466 Panhandler
It depends on the email. Palin's release of the govt emails concerning the dismissal of the AHP supervisor have recieved 0 play.
Because they didn't contain what her enemies were hoping for, so they cooked up this yahoo email non-scandal in the hopes of finding something. Again- they came up empty handed. The hacker said they'd read everything before they started taking screenshots. There's nothing there.
But it's worse than that- they are on a witch hunt to nail Palin, and if they'd spend even a fraction of this effort on 0bama we'd have a different ball game.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:41am |
I am simply aghast!
The Secret Service contacted The Associated Press on Wednesday and asked for copies of the leaked e-mails, which circulated widely on the Internet. The AP did not comply.
Shocked! Shocked I tell you!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:46am |
re: #464 Dar ul Harb
He'll probably have one of those restraining orders that requires that someone else dial the phone for him.
Huh?
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williwonka Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:31am |
re: #442 MandyManners
Correct, but it does not matter. The public need to know overrides the actual truth of the situation. The seriousness of the charge, required the break in and stealing. SARC
In formulating any charges against those caught and their mentors it might be desirable to investigate if there was any intent to determine the comings and goings of the candidate, her travel plans etc. placing her at greater risk.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:35am |
re: #468 MandyManners
Nope, Yemeni security guards, civilians and the bombers. They didn't breach the wall.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:47am |
re: #465 galloping granny
Why are you wading in the swamp?
Intellectual curiosity. (Maybe a touch of masochism.)
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:31:17am |
re: #469 Sharmuta
But it's worse than that- they are on a witch hunt to nail Palin, and if they'd spend even a fraction of this effort on 0bama we'd have a different ball game.
If they spent this much time trying to nail Obama, he'd be in prison now.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:15am |
re: #474 MandyManners
Intellectual curiosity. (Maybe a touch of masochism.)
Falls under the heading "Know your enemy."
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:33:03am |
re: #474 MandyManners
Intellectual curiosity. (Maybe a touch of masochism.)
I honestly can't watch any of the TV news...just can't...not even Fox...it's repulsive in so many ways...thank goodness for the web/blogs!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:33:18am |
re: #472 williwonka
Correct, but it does not matter. The public need to know overrides the actual truth of the situation. The seriousness of the charge, required the break in and stealing. SARC
In formulating any charges against those caught and their mentors it might be desirable to investigate if there was any intent to determine the comings and goings of the candidate, her travel plans etc. placing her at greater risk.
I wonder if that is the focus of the Secret Service.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:33:59am |
re: #476 Panhandler
Falls under the heading "Know your enemy."
Kind of like the TV Show "Dirty Jobs." Mike Rowe climbs around in the sewer and tells us how bad it smells; so we don't have to do it ourselves.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:11am |
Egads. Now CNN has a spokeswoman for Republicans for 0bama. They're showing shots of BHO on the screen next to her.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:26am |
re: #477 scottishbuzzsaw
I honestly can't watch any of the TV news...just can't...not even Fox...it's repulsive in so many ways...thank goodness for the web/blogs!
Same here- it's why I gave up cable.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:54am |
re: #473 Panhandler
Nope, Yemeni security guards, civilians and the bombers. They didn't breach the wall.
It was an American woman trying to get a visa or something for her Yemeni husband.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:55am |
re: #471 MandyManners
Electronic crimes usually mean that the person charged will have an order stating that they can't use computers or portable electronics of any kind. And in this day and age his chances of getting a job just hit bottom.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:15am |
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:45am |
re: #477 scottishbuzzsaw
I honestly can't watch any of the TV news...just can't...not even Fox...it's repulsive in so many ways...thank goodness for the web/blogs!
I figured I'd learn something about sucking it up.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:36:07am |
re: #460 williwonka
Good point. On the other hand smears are less effective, one needs actual dirt, unless one still believes in the MSM.
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:36:14am |
Good morning.
The hacker said they'd read everything before they started taking screenshots. There's nothing there.But it's worse than that- they are on a witch hunt to nail Palin, and if they'd spend even a fraction of this effort on 0bama we'd have a different ball game.
I feel nothing but disgust and contempt for the MSM.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:37:13am |
re: #487 godfrey
Good morning.
I feel nothing but disgust and contempt for the MSM.
Me too. Good morning, {godfrey}.
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:00am |
re: #481 Sharmuta
Same here- it's why I gave up cable.
I don't know, the Doc suggested I should keep the cable and watch the "news" from time to time. He is trying to wean me off my habit of sticking an icepick in either my eyes or ears for no apparant reason.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:04am |
re: #485 MandyManners
I figured I'd learn something about sucking it up.
You're a stronger, braver woman that I...
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:06am |
{Sharmuta}
Maybe reporters should be required to disclose their campaign contributions to the DNC, right under their bylines.
Not that we can't tell already.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:22am |
re: #483 BlueCanuck
Electronic crimes usually mean that the person charged will have an order stating that they can't use computers or portable electronics of any kind. And in this day and age his chances of getting a job just hit bottom.
Does one need a computer to flip burgers?
Oh. That was mean.
I think that that is a bit over-reaching, particularly if a block could be set up at work to limit his computer usage while still letting him remain employed. It's not in anyone's interest to pay for a public defender for him.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:04am |
re: #489 godfrey
Mobys?
It seems to be an attempt to counter the flaying that Rothschild gave BHO earlier.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:39am |
re: #483 BlueCanuck
Electronic crimes usually mean that the person charged will have an order stating that they can't use computers or portable electronics of any kind. And in this day and age his chances of getting a job just hit bottom.
I would die.
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:10am |
I was a short order cook once. I think burger-flipping should be automated.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:39am |
CNN just said it is fact-checking Rothschild's claim that BHO pays women in his campaign less than men.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:41:22am |
re: #491 scottishbuzzsaw
You're a stronger, braver woman that I...
I rarely watch TV thismuch in the morning.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:09am |
Thank you, Sharmuta!
[Link: www.ocregister.com...]
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:46am |
re: #497 MandyManners
CNN just said it is fact-checking Rothschild's claim that BHO pays women in his campaign less than men.
Will they report it when they find out it's true?
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:47am |
re: #497 MandyManners
CNN just said it is fact-checking Rothschild's claim that BHO pays women in his campaign less than men.
Happy hunting, assholes!
Hope they have her on some more. Who knew all it took for cnn to check 0bama's ass was a Rothschild.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:43:18am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Nope, it's pretty strict. One guy used a cell phone once to contact family and a lawyer. Since it was a violation of his parole conditions he ended up back in jail.
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:43:26am |
No, wait, we should preserve all the really nasty scut jobs that could be automated so that we can feel good when we agitate to put people in those jobs and then lobby like hell to get the minimum wage raised so they have less incentive to get out of jobs and into better ones.
In short, let's make damn sure we keep the economic infrastructure in place for creating a resentful underclass whose votes we can then exploit!
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Panhandler Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:44:52am |
re: #496 godfrey
You have come far Grasshopper.
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williwonka Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:00am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Seems something has gone wrong. If I burglar your home, meaning no one was home, no robbery and I was unarmed and removed nothing but only read documents I believed of interest to me some how is a different crime than hacking to accomplish the same end?
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:48:14am |
re: #472 williwonka
The seriousness of the charge...
Like when Bush (Daddy) supposedly violated the Logan Act?
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:48:47am |
For those who didn't see it- Malkin's got the details on the hacker:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:49:12am |
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:49:39am |
re: #501 Sharmuta
Happy hunting, assholes!
Hope they have her on some more. Who knew all it took for cnn to check 0bama's ass was a Rothschild.
LOL!
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:50:24am |
re: #504 godfrey
16 year old kids need jobs like that to motivate them for higher education.
(Somebody has to pay my bills when I'm 84!)
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:25am |
That reminds me. Last night I stated that out of Gov. Palin, Sen. Clinton and Rothschild, the governor was the only self-made woman. I was wrong. Rothschild was powerful before she married Sir Evelyn.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:47am |
ANALYSIS / Tzipi Livni is Israel's Barack Obama?
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This is a pretty typical example of the Israels and the Israeli press just NOT getting it about America. They fail to recognize that Obama is ONLY were he is because of the color of his skin.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:22am |
re: #503 BlueCanuck
Nope, it's pretty strict. One guy used a cell phone once to contact family and a lawyer. Since it was a violation of his parole conditions he ended up back in jail.
That is unduly harsh.
Do people who are acused of kniving someone have their eating utensiles confiscated?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:58am |
Remember how well known the "uber rich" used to be? Names like Rothschild, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Getty, Carnagie...etc.
I guess Howard Hughes kinda re-invented the whole thing, they started keeping lower profiles. Bill Gates and the like are a different kind of famous now (all though I think Bill's current commercials are hysterical!).
Am I wrong?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:55am |
re: #514 MandyManners
These rules were set up decades ago, back when hacking and cracking could cause way more irreparable damage. And my relief is here so I am gonzo. Stay scaly lizards.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:58:12am |
re: #513 Nevergiveup
ANALYSIS / Tzipi Livni is Israel's Barack Obama?
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This is a pretty typical example of the Israels and the Israeli press just NOT getting it about America. They fail to recognize that Obama is ONLY were he is because of the color of his skin.
Exactly. In a lot of the world's view, he has been unfairly oppressed and, if anything, had to overcome greater odds to get where he is. That is why they need to stay out of our buisness.
A new wind of hope is now blowing: One small step for Kadima, one giant leap for womankind in Israel. Perhaps it won't be long before the three authorities - judicial, legislative and executive - will all be headed by women.
Why does it matter if they are all headed by women?
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:59:08am |
re: #514 MandyManners
Felons are restricted from owning weapons. Some guy in California got his third strike for a Throwing Star.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:00:16am |
Israel has had a woman leader, pretty hard act to follow too.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:01am |
re: #518 Rancher
"Catch a throwing star and put it in your pocket...." Como.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:10am |
re: #506 williwonka
Seems something has gone wrong. If I burglar your home, meaning no one was home, no robbery and I was unarmed and removed nothing but only read documents I believed of interest to me some how is a different crime than hacking to accomplish the same end?
Maybe the difference lies in the scope of the crime. The air-waves are controlled by the feds.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:10am |
Despite decades of progress, women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes.
Thank you Great Society. Factor out single mothers and the disparity lessens considerably. Big reason Blacks earn less also.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:38am |
re: #519 Rancher
Israel has had a woman leader, pretty hard act to follow too.
According to the article, Meir doesn't count because she was 'appointed by party committee.' More likely they don't want her to count because she was tough.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:40am |
re: #516 BlueCanuck
These rules were set up decades ago, back when hacking and cracking could cause way more irreparable damage. And my relief is here so I am gonzo. Stay scaly lizards.
Maybe the rules need to be tweaked. Not having access to a computer for work knocks out many more jobs than it did decades ago.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:04am |
Someone should really tell Gretchen how to pronounce Israeli names.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:22am |
re: #518 Rancher
Felons are restricted from owning weapons. Some guy in California got his third strike for a Throwing Star.
A throwing star is by definition a weapon. Couldn't a fork be considered one?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:46am |
I'm back...breakfast over...who got forked, Mandy?
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:08:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:10:00am |
re: #529 Rancher
"Catch a throwing star right in your left eye socket..." Como..
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:12:06am |
The Republicans should just hammer Charlie Rangel over and over again. The most ethical congress in history has some splaining to do?
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:12:34am |
re: #526 MandyManners
Anything can be used as a weapon. When I worked as a prison guard we all had very sharp fine point steel pens. Knives can't be over a certain length but long forks, even the BBQ type, are not on the forbidden list as far as I know.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:13:16am |
re: #532 ethanxxx
I almost hate posting this, seeing as how I used to cheer for this nappy-headed mutant when he was playing ball at Wake Forest.
Over paid and over rated Josh Howard bashes the National Anthem and praises Barack Hussein Obama. GFY Howard...
And who exactly is this mutant?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:13:40am |
re: #532 ethanxxx
Could anybody understand a word that Josh Howard said. Anybody?
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:22am |
kos daily poll:
Obama 49
McCain 43
I am CONVINCED he is skewing his data for two reasons.
1. To keep his hoard of crazies busy donating and working for Obama instead of knashing their teeth and writing thousands of diaries about how they are doomed.
2. If McCain wins, this will keep them close and on his site as the election will have been STOLEN I TELL YA!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:24am |
re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Could anybody understand a word that Josh Howard said. Anybody?
What language was he speaking?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:26am |
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:47am |
Good Morning. Anything new about Sarah Palins emails?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:21am |
re: #540 opnion
Good Morning. Anything new about Sarah Palins emails?
AP's refusing to give out where they came from. If that is news...
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:25am |
re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Could anybody understand a word that Josh Howard said. Anybody?
"I speak jive"
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RTLM Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:27am |
Re: Freddie/Fannie
Bush and McCain Proposed Oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Okay. Now somebody is not telling the whole story here. This September 17, 2008, article in the Washington Post, begins by stating this:A decade ago, Sen. John McCain embraced legislation to broadly deregulate the banking and insurance industries, helping to sweep aside a thicket of rules established over decades in favor of a less restricted financial marketplace that proponents said would result in greater economic growth.It goes on to state:
In 2002, McCain introduced a bill to deregulate the broadband Internet market, warning that “the potential for government interference with market forces is not limited to federal regulation.” Three years earlier, McCain had joined with other Republicans to push through landmark legislation sponsored by then-Sen. Phil Gramm (Tex.), who is now an economic adviser to his campaign. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act aimed to make the country’s financial institutions competitive by removing the Depression-era walls between banking, investment and insurance companies.But there is no mention whatsoever of the following from the New York Times in September of 2003:
New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By Stephen Labaton
September 11, 2003
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
”There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,” Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:33am |
re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Could anybody understand a word that Josh Howard said. Anybody?
In a word... no.
Good morning everyone!
What's the scuttlebutt?
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:00am |
re: #541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
AP's refusing to give out where they came from. If that is news...
But they know?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:55am |
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ethanxxx Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:59am |
re: #534 Nevergiveup
He plays basketball for the Dallas Mavericks and makes millions for throwing a ball in a hole. He is a nobody.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:53am |
re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, you started it!
"Brotha don't wan no hep? Brotha don't git no hep!"
Jive turkey don't no nuttin no how...
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:55am |
Right before the moonbat's head exploded:
[Link: photos1.blogger.com...]
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:20:30am |
re: #547 ethanxxx
He plays basketball for the Dallas Mavericks and makes millions for throwing a ball in a hole. He is a nobody.
Aren't the Mavericks owned by a no good loony left wing asshole?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:16am |
re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Darn. Screwed the pooch on that quote. Try again...
Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:23am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:22:16am |
re: #548 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Jive turkey don't no nuttin no how...
Jive Lady: Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!
From IMDB...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:22:35am |
I understand your rap, mama didn't raze no dummy, dig?
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ethanxxx Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:14am |
re: #550 Nevergiveup
Ya... but the good people of Dallas aren't going to put up with this fool. I bet he gets traded before too long.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:31am |
re: #555 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Randy: Can I get you something?
Second Jive Dude: 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!
Randy: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
First Jive Dude: Cutty say 'e can't HANG!
Jive Lady: Oh stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy: Oh, good.
Jive Lady: He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy: All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady: Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da' rebound on da' med side.
Second Jive Dude: What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady: Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
First Jive Dude: Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady: Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!
The whole thang!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:39am |
re: #554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Going from memory here....
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:24:41am |
re: #556 ethanxxx
Ya... but the good people of Dallas aren't going to put up with this fool. I bet he gets traded before too long.
The only problem with that is that the fool will probably end up here the NY NJ metropolitan area.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:25:41am |
re: #556 ethanxxx
Ya... but the good people of Dallas aren't going to put up with this fool. I bet he gets traded before too long.
But the owner of the team is a 9/11 truther!
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:25:45am |
re: #551 Rancher
Who the hell are they polling?
Democrats 390 (35%)
Republicans 282 (26%)
Independents 330 (30%)
According to this they are way underreporting Republicans yes?
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:53am |
They also have
Barr 2%
Nader 2%
Other 2%
Und. 2%
Is that normal for a poll?
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:27:45am |
On the email front the original site is cooperating with law enforcement. The hacker should be identified and prosecuted.
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ethanxxx Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:28:44am |
Wasn't the movie Airplane produced by David Zucker? I found this page while searching for Hollywood Republicans. His new movie, An American Carol, about Mike Moore is coming out next month... should really piss-off the celebratards on the left.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:29:05am |
re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, you started it!
"Brotha don't wan no hep? Brotha don't git no hep!"
Word!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:29:16am |
re: #561 Typicalwhitey
Democrats 390 (35%)
Republicans 282 (26%)
Independents 330 (30%)According to this they are way underreporting Republicans yes?
Yes... a lot of those "independents" are liberals who think of themselves as too well balanced to be confined to any party (which is just eyewash because they vote like robots).
So, unless the country really is 55% dem and 36% conservative, it's biased.
I don't even agree with those who claim 50-50, either.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:30:11am |
re: #562 Typicalwhitey
They also have
Barr 2%
Nader 2%
Other 2%
Und. 2%Is that normal for a poll?
I think so, I saw Nader at 3% in one. But he was polling ten times higher in '04 in November than what he actually got (0.4% I believe.)
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:30:28am |
re: #564 ethanxxx
Wasn't the movie Airplane produced by David Zucker? I found this page while searching for Hollywood Republicans. His new movie, An American Carol, about Mike Moore is coming out next month... should really piss-off the celebratards on the left.
If it as funny as Airplane, the Hollywood types will flip.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:30:40am |
re: #564 ethanxxx
Wasn't the movie Airplane produced by David Zucker? I found this page while searching for Hollywood Republicans. His new movie, An American Carol, about Mike Moore is coming out next month... should really piss-off the celebratards on the left.
Looking forward to that one. Just to see Patton slap the sh*t out of Mickey Moore.
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:31:46am |
re: #561 Typicalwhitey
Democrats 390 (35%)
Republicans 282 (26%)
Independents 330 (30%)According to this they are way underreporting Republicans yes?
But who? You can't tell me there are 282 kos kids that are republican!
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:33:06am |
re: #23 EIDE_Interface
Is that where you bang your head against it or is it the Rock bangin' you?
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3 wood Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:33:07am |
Good morning folks.
Look for continued turmoil and bad news in the market for quite some time to come.
Morgan Stanley mulls merger with Wachovia: report
BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- Morgan Stanley is considering a merger with Wachovia Corp. or another bank as one of the last two big brokerage firms tries to halt a swoon in its stock price, the New York Times reported late Wednesday.
Morgan Stanley Chief Executive John Mack got a phone call Wednesday from Wachovia expressing interest in the Wall Street firm, the newspaper said, citing unnamed people familiar with the situation.
Morgan Stanley is considering other options as well, the paper added, noting that other banks have also expressed interest in the firm. It said the talks are preliminary and no deal may emerge.
Shares of Morgan Stanley slumped 24% on Wednesday. The firm reported better-than-expected earnings late Tuesday, but the stock lost ground amid speculation the company may be forced to hunt for a suitor.
It is almost impossible for a broker dealer to stand alone these days. Because of the need for capital, and the wild swings in the capital market these days, brokers really need to be part of a large bank. So this would actually be a good deal for both parties.
But the short sellers are on a rampage int he market these days, so look for wild rumors to get tossed about in the effort to keep panicking investors, chase money out of the market, and drive prices down.
At this point the market is so spooked I see stocks that are way undervalued, but things are likely to get worse due to the fear factor.
This is a good example of when the market is not "technically efficient", in that the prices are not a true reflection of the underlying value of the asset. Risk has gotten priced so high that no one wants to own stock right now.
I look for this to continue for quite some time.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:33:47am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:34:14am |
This is not free speech. This is not "people expressing their opinion." This is people expressing Obama's opinion. This is a powerful politician arrogantly abusing that power to try to silence his critics, without even bothering to hide behind Media Matters or Kos, because he knows he can get away with it. This is wrong.
Treacher on BHO:
[Link: jimtreacher.com...]
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:34:43am |
Bank Leumi files NIS 250 million lawsuit against Lehman Brothers
Anyone tell them that lehman went belly up?
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rlevitin Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:34:57am |
Gallup Daily Tracking: Obama 47 - McCain 45
McCain is slipping back under!
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:35:22am |
Risk has gotten priced so high that no one wants to own stock right now.
Overpriced risk, I'm buying stock. Not financials however.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:36:04am |
re: #574 3 wood
Good morning folks.
Look for continued turmoil and bad news in the market for quite some time to come.
Morgan Stanley mulls merger with Wachovia: report
It is almost impossible for a broker dealer to stand alone these days. Because of the need for capital, and the wild swings in the capital market these days, brokers really need to be part of a large bank. So this would actually be a good deal for both parties.
But the short sellers are on a rampage int he market these days, so look for wild rumors to get tossed about in the effort to keep panicking investors, chase money out of the market, and drive prices down.
At this point the market is so spooked I see stocks that are way undervalued, but things are likely to get worse due to the fear factor.
This is a good example of when the market is not "technically efficient", in that the prices are not a true reflection of the underlying value of the asset. Risk has gotten priced so high that no one wants to own stock right now.
I look for this to continue for quite some time.
Say hello to massive deflation.......
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3 wood Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:36:41am |
re: #577 Nevergiveup
Bank Leumi files NIS 250 million lawsuit against Lehman Brothers
Anyone tell them that lehman went belly up?
The lawyers are just getting in line to pick over the assets like crows over road kill on the highway.
You are going to see a lot of this.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:37:10am |
re: #578 rlevitin
Gallup Daily Tracking: Obama 47 - McCain 45
McCain is slipping back under!
With the following news, look for him to slip much more:
re: #574 3 wood
Good morning folks.
Look for continued turmoil and bad news in the market for quite some time to come.
I look for this to continue for quite some time.
Damn!
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:37:18am |
re: #561 Typicalwhitey
Democrats 390 (35%)
Republicans 282 (26%)
Independents 330 (30%)According to this they are way underreporting Republicans yes?
No, there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. Here's a survey that asks people specifically about their political affiliation. This is why McCain is so concerned about capturing independents.
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Spirit93 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:37:41am |
re: #545 opnion
But they know?
I think Fat Bastard Vegetarian meant to say that AP refused to give copies of the leaked e-mails that the secret service requested.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:38:09am |
Last day as Mayor of Detroit for Kwamee Kilpatrick is today.
Damn, things were going so well.
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3 wood Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:39:03am |
re: #580 doriangrey
Say hello to massive deflation.......
Yep, I don't think inflation is going to be a real big issue for quite a while.
And I think gas prices are going to be dropping too. A lot less people are going to be driving to work.
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:39:16am |
re: #572 Rancher
But who? You can't tell me there are 282 kos kids that are republican!
They aren't polling kossacks. The poll is conducted for kos, but the respondents are randomly selected, just like any poll.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:39:29am |
re: #581 3 wood
The lawyers are just getting in line to pick over the assets like crows over road kill on the highway.
You are going to see a lot of this.
I must admit, just like John McCain, I am not much of an expert on monetary affairs. Oh, what I wouldn't give for a really good International crisis?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:39:30am |
re: #578 rlevitin
Gallup Daily Tracking: Obama 47 - McCain 45
McCain is slipping back under!
Remember the short lived nature of any bounces... if Mac blows his tanks now to get a big lead, it will slowly ebb away between now and the election leaving him with no tools to use to boost it at the end.
I'm starting to think he's letting it slip at the moment so he goes into the debates as underdog. Ebbing bounce there would be corrected by the last minute stuff in the tank.
/It's my fantasy, I can make it any way I like...
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:39:45am |
Good morning Lizards. It is a beautiful day here in CT and I am stuck in an office with no windows. At least I have you people to chat with and brighten my day. So no bad news, OK?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:39:53am |
re: #584 Spirit93
I think Fat Bastard Vegetarian meant to say that AP refused to give copies of the leaked e-mails that the secret service requested.
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mama winger Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:40:00am |
re: #581 3 wood
The lawyers are just getting in line to pick over the assets like crows over road kill on the highway.
You are going to see a lot of this.
For you
[Link: roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com...]
:)
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:41:12am |
re: #577 Nevergiveup
Bank Leumi files NIS 250 million lawsuit against Lehman Brothers
Anyone tell them that lehman went belly up?
They can get some stock from them. Unfortunately, the paper is worth more than the stock, eh?
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RTLM Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:41:12am |
re: #582 NC State of Mind
Damn!
Not if McCain will actually get aggressive and hang this mess where it belongs - around the necks of the likes of Franklin Raines, Barney Frank, Obama, Dodd, etc...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:42:22am |
re: #577 Nevergiveup
Didn't somebody just offer 250,000,000.00 for part of Lehman? Would that be a reason for the number?
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:42:40am |
re: #592 mama winger
For you
[Link: roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com...]
:)
Good morning mama..... ((mama winger))
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3 wood Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:42:54am |
re: #582 NC State of Mind
In macroeconomics there is something called the "Multiplier Effect". Any expansion or contraction of the economy has an impact of roughly 5 times the dollar amount involved.
So take a look at how much capital vanished with the recent market turmoil. Then multiply that by 5 to get a feel for the actual impact.
The damage is immense.
I know some people have actually been rooting for a market shake out. Well, they sure got what they wanted.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:43:43am |
re: #570 doriangrey
Good morning Lizards.................
Good Morning Dorian..Coffee is on..
What's up today?
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3 wood Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:44:22am |
re: #592 mama winger
Thank you.
Also, the ramifications of unfettered short selling, of which we have had a lot lately.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:44:24am |
Scientists to count kangaroo rats from outer space
Wow! Those must be some big rats.
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3 wood Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:45:50am |
re: #595 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Didn't somebody just offer 250,000,000.00 for part of Lehman? Would that be a reason for the number?
There are a lot of assets still in the firm, but the lawyers are going to fight over all of it and eat it up in fees.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:46:21am |
re: #600 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Giant Kangaroo Rats from Outer Space? I think I saw that last night on SciFi network.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:46:22am |
re: #586 3 wood
Yep, I don't think inflation is going to be a real big issue for quite a while.
And I think gas prices are going to be dropping too. A lot less people are going to be driving to work.
The only good thing that will come out of this is that the values of a lot of things that currently are massively over valued (houses, fuel, ect...) will settle back down to where they actually belong.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:46:22am |
re: #594 RTLM
Not if McCain will actually get aggressive and hang this mess where it belongs - around the necks of the likes of Franklin Raines, Barney Frank, Obama, Dodd, etc...
I'm guessing we'll be hearing about it in ads, but more importantly- in the debates, where most of the undecideds will make up their minds.
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:46:51am |
re: #600 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Scientists to count kangaroo rats from outer space
Wow! Those must be some big rats.
Scientists will examine images taken from the same satellite used by Israeli defense forces
Good choice, the Israelis have been experts at spotting and catching rats for years.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:46:53am |
re: #600 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Scientists to count kangaroo rats from outer space
Wow! Those must be some big rats.
To a five year old, Mickey Mouse is a 6 foot f*cking rat.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:46:59am |
all of you anon out there that you think there was some missed opportunity of glory, well there WAS NOTHING, I read everything, every little blackberry confirmation… all the pictures, and there was nothing, and it finally set in, THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was f***ed, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn’t know how to rapidshit all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose stateThen the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things
The “white knight f*****r” was the /b/tard who thought that going through Sarah Palin’s email wasn’t cool. He logged in, changed the password, and sent an email to a friend of Palin’s warning her and letting her know the new password. Unfortunately, he then posted a screenshot of this email to let the other /b/tards know their fun was over. so I pawned that task off on Anonymous, which he didn’t realize wasn’t monolithic and in his favor.
BWHAHAHAAA.
The hacker just got hacked by the White Knight. I love it.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:47:14am |
re: #598 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Dorian..Coffee is on..
What's up today?
Morning hoops..... Kona? thanks.........
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:47:21am |
OK. I am not seeing a lot of good news here. This is not making me want to stay inside. :-(
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:47:38am |
re: #578 rlevitin
Gallup Daily Tracking: Obama 47 - McCain 45
McCain is slipping back under!
It's a tie, and has been for weeks
The electoral college is the same. McCain has to take Ohio and then two other battleground states.....Colorado and New Mexico would do it. This is going to be close. The debates will make or break the race. I am hoping "Sir Teleprompter" uses alot of ers and uhs, and shows his usual lack of knowledge when his crutch is turned off. And, I hope McCain can come across as a better leader....we'll see.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:48:34am |
re: #608 ibmkeyboard
Still love your avatar. heh.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:49:11am |
re: #610 Ford_Prefect
OK. I am not seeing a lot of good news here. This is not making me want to stay inside. :-(
It's amazing, really- a national poll is conducted, and Lizards start losing their heads. It doesn't matter what the national polls say- the Electoral College is what matters and inthe states we need to win, McCain is leading.
SO BUCK UP, PEOPLE!
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:49:21am |
re: #597 3 wood
In macroeconomics there is something called the "Multiplier Effect". Any expansion or contraction of the economy has an impact of roughly 5 times the dollar amount involved.
So take a look at how much capital vanished with the recent market turmoil. Then multiply that by 5 to get a feel for the actual impact.
The damage is immense.
I know some people have actually been rooting for a market shake out. Well, they sure got what they wanted.
I got a bad feeling that Mr and Mrs Taxpayer will doing the heavy lifting in this crisis. What do you think was the biggest cause of this. Greed? Incompetence? Mismanagement? Under or Over regulation?
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:50:07am |
re: #587 JustMyView
They aren't polling kossacks. The poll is conducted for kos, but the respondents are randomly selected, just like any poll.
Hi JMV. You really don't think that they are working backwards to achieve a desireable result? I have never really seen them play anything straight
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:50:10am |
re: #611 Desert Dog
It's a tie, and has been for weeks
The electoral college is the same. McCain has to take Ohio and then two other battleground states.....Colorado and New Mexico would do it. This is going to be close. The debates will make or break the race. I am hoping "Sir Teleprompter" uses alot of ers and uhs, and shows his usual lack of knowledge when his crutch is turned off. And, I hope McCain can come across as a better leader....we'll see.
I'm banking on that. I think Mac is, too.
Sir Prompter, the most merciful, is depending more and more on the prompter as his tired butt drags through the first campaign he ever had to work for (in the big leagues, nonetheless). He'll be primed to screw up, big time, when unplugged.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:51:01am |
A Moment's Respite from Political Insanity:
Sticky Notes + Imagination + Geeks = WOW!
[Link: www.videosift.com...]
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:51:53am |
re: #613 Sharmuta
It's amazing, really- a national poll is conducted, and Lizards start losing their heads. It doesn't matter what the national polls say- the Electoral College is what matters and inthe states we need to win, McCain is leading.
SO BUCK UP, PEOPLE!
Thank you. I think it is way too early to be looking at polls anyway. So much can happen in the coming weeks that what the polls say now means little. There are a lot of people who will not make a decision about whether or not to vote, never mind who to vote for, until the very end anyway.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:52:14am |
re: #614 Desert Dog
I got a bad feeling that Mr and Mrs Taxpayer will doing the heavy lifting in this crisis. What do you think was the biggest cause of this. Greed? Incompetence? Mismanagement? Under or Over regulation?
The root cause is..............Bill Clinton and the dem controlled congress's attempt to impose Marxism on the housing market.....
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:52:30am |
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HoosierHoops Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:52:33am |
re: #617 scottishbuzzsaw
A Moment's Respite from Political Insanity:
Sticky Notes + Imagination + Geeks = WOW!
[Link: www.videosift.com...]
Good morning Scottish..New Day..New opportunities!
How are you?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:52:39am |
re: #613 Sharmuta
It's amazing, really- a national poll is conducted, and Lizards start losing their heads. It doesn't matter what the national polls say- the Electoral College is what matters and inthe states we need to win, McCain is leading.
SO BUCK UP, PEOPLE!
YES MA'AM!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:53:04am |
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I am pretty much speechless?
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ciaospirit Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:53:08am |
re: #569 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Looking forward to that one. Just to see Patton slap the sh*t out of Mickey Moore.
They've been promoting it a lot here in Ohio. As a right wing movie and proud of it. Can't wait to see it.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:53:34am |
re: #623 Nevergiveup
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I am pretty much speechless?
Future McCain ad.
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:54:07am |
re: #612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Still love your avatar. heh.
Yeah!
these little shit heads think they can hack a VPs Email and get away with it.
I sent him a note to send me his mail from Federal Prison so we could stay in touch.
HA.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:54:08am |
Will conspiracy theorists go after George Soros? I mean, if the market conditions hurt McCains polls...did Soros plant explosives in the market?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:54:23am |
re: #621 HoosierHoops
Good morning Scottish..New Day..New opportunities!
How are you?
Just peachy...and you?
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:55:22am |
re: #623 Nevergiveup
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I am pretty much speechless?
Yes, and he says we should put our right hand over our hearts when Uncle Sam bends us over and takes out our wallets. Maybe we should hum the Star Spangled Banner while the giant cash vacuum is sucking out more of our money too, eh Joe? Then, we can all say we are patriotic! (and broke too!)
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:55:33am |
re: #622 scottishbuzzsaw
Polls are BS:
1 The ballot is secret and the polls are not.
2 Polls can be worded trickily, the ballot is simple.
3 Polls come to you, you have to get up off your behind to go vote.
4 Polls can be used to influence the election beforehand, the ballot cannot.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:55:59am |
re: #613 Sharmuta
It's amazing, really- a national poll is conducted, and Lizards start losing their heads. It doesn't matter what the national polls say- the Electoral College is what matters and inthe states we need to win, McCain is leading.
SO BUCK UP, PEOPLE!
Rasmussen still has McCain up by one point.... I tend to trust Scott Rasmussen's objectivity more than any other pollster and he has a damned good reputation for accuracy....
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:56:08am |
re: #623 Nevergiveup
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I am pretty much speechless?
Yeah Biden-sorta patriotic like giving $3,600 to charity OVER TEN FREAKING YEARS!
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:56:15am |
Claire McCaslle is now on FNC. Doesn't she remind you of the 7th grade teacher from hell? Ya know the one who had pets & the rest could do nothing right.
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Spirit93 Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:56:41am |
re: #614 Desert Dog
I got a bad feeling that Mr and Mrs Taxpayer will doing the heavy lifting in this crisis. What do you think was the biggest cause of this. Greed? Incompetence? Mismanagement? Under or Over regulation?
Have you seen this: Root Causes? According to it, gov't regulation and enabling of bad loans.
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:56:58am |
re: #615 opnion
Hi JMV. You really don't think that they are working backwards to achieve a desireable result? I have never really seen them play anything straight
No, there would be no point in polling kossacks. They're not a random sample of anything, and they wouldn't necessarily be distributed geographically in an appropriate way. If you look at the block containing the poll results on the DKos website, you'll see Research 2000, which is the name of the firm conducting this poll.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:57:07am |
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
"We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people," Biden said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."
/um no, that's called socialist income redistribution
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:57:23am |
re: #632 NC State of Mind
Yeah Biden-sorta patriotic like giving $3,600 to charity OVER TEN FREAKING YEARS!
I donated more than that.
keyboard for VP
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:57:52am |
re: #625 opnion
Future McCain ad.
What gets me with all these Dem idiots with their tax increases is when they talk about raising taxes on big oil or any other business as if that will increase the tax base without effecting the average guy. Do they really think that those businesses are just going to pay those increased taxes out of their own profit? No! They will raise the cost of their goods/services to cover for their increased costs, effectively raising our taxes. Idiots!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:58:01am |
re: #633 opnion
Claire McCaslle is now on FNC. Doesn't she remind you of the 7th grade teacher from hell? Ya know the one who had pets & the rest could do nothing right.
WE turned the sound off.
I can only take so much this early in the morning.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:58:20am |
re: #615 opnion
re: #587 JustMyView
They aren't polling kossacks. The poll is conducted for kos, but the respondents are randomly selected, just like any poll.
Hi JMV. You really don't think that they are working backwards to achieve a desireable result? I have never really seen them play anything straight
Yep, "He who pays the piper...."
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:58:26am |
re: #630 Ojoe
Polls are BS:
1 The ballot is secret and the polls are not.
2 Polls can be worded trickily, the ballot is simple.
3 Polls come to you, you have to get up off your behind to go vote.
4 Polls can be used to influence the election beforehand, the ballot cannot.
No argument from me, hon...I was responding to Shar, who was responding to Ford...
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:58:56am |
Good morning all y'all - from a cool (60 degrees, going up to 81 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:59:06am |
re: #634 Spirit93
Did you see the salaries of the chairmen!? They should have hired me, I could have run Fannie Mae into an iceberg for half price, only $45,000,000.00. I will send over my resume today.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:59:27am |
re: #635 JustMyView
No, there would be no point in polling kossacks. They're not a random sample of anything, and they wouldn't necessarily be distributed geographically in an appropriate way. If you look at the block containing the poll results on the DKos website, you'll see Research 2000, which is the name of the firm conducting this poll.
Come on now. If I pay for the poll , I can certainly influence the outcome.
How is it BHO does so much better in a Kos sponsored poll than the others?
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:59:29am |
re: #634 Spirit93
Have you seen this: Root Causes? According to it, gov't regulation and enabling of bad loans.
Regulations enacted by the Clinton Administration and a dem congress that did not enable highly questionable loans, but fined the living crap out of lending institutions that did not make them.
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Alouette Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:59:30am |
re: #623 Nevergiveup
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I am pretty much speechless?
Just don't question his patriotism, OK?
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:00:05am |
re: #618 Ford_Prefect
You're welcome.
However- polls do serve a function. They can show the candidates where they need to focus their energies to win. Right now, I'd say the polls are showing 0bama that he needs to focus on states he should be leading in already but isn't. And he still has to take time off to raise money.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:00:11am |
re: #642 realwest
Good morning all y'all - from a cool (60 degrees, going up to 81 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Just fine, real...bright and sunny and back to summer temps here, though...oh, well...how's about you?
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:00:39am |
ALL Y'ALL - wtf is this? I went to sleep around 1:45 AM Eastern time and this thread wasn't even up yet, I get on board again at 8:55 AM Eastern and there are already over 640 comments!
Don't y'all ever SLEEP?! LOL!
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:00:48am |
re: #643 Desert Dog
Did you see the salaries of the chairmen!? They should have hired me, I could have run Fannie Mae into an iceberg for half price, only $45,000,000.00. I will send over my resume today.
And I could have done it for $20,000,000.00 ........
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:00:59am |
re: #641 scottishbuzzsaw
OK !
Consider No. 630 a general note...
Love your claymation avatar & Wallace & Grommet generally.
Is the chicken from "Chicken Run"?
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:01:05am |
Democratic Congress May Adjourn, Leave Crisis to Fed, Treasury
The Democratic-controlled Congress, acknowledging that it isn't equipped to lead the way to a solution for the financial crisis and can't agree on a path to follow, is likely to just get out of the way.
Lawmakers say they are unlikely to take action before, or to delay, their planned adjournments -- Sept. 26 for the House of Representatives, a week later for the Senate. While they haven't ruled out returning after the Nov. 4 elections, they would rather wait until next year unless Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who are leading efforts to contain the crisis, call for help.
One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is that ``no one knows what to do'' at the moment.
/except blame Republicans
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:01:22am |
re: #642 realwest
Good morning all y'all - from a cool (60 degrees, going up to 81 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Morning real, hope you are feeling well....
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:01:38am |
re: #642 realwest
Good morning all y'all - from a cool (60 degrees, going up to 81 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Yo Real! How ya doin?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:01:42am |
re: #614 Desert Dog
I got a bad feeling that Mr and Mrs Taxpayer will doing the heavy lifting in this crisis. What do you think was the biggest cause of this. Greed? Incompetence? Mismanagement? Under or Over regulation?
Met a couple last year with a three hundred thousand dollar home on a 33,000.00 household income. They were buying a kitchen remodel from me. Their credit was turned down. But, I will never, ever forget my feeling when upon taking their credit application...
Asked his income...he said (very intelligent looking, seemingly educated man) well, last year I made 16,000.00. She? 17,000.00.
I said (couldn't help it) "How in the hell can you afford to be in this house?!"
They said, "Two more years."
That was their answer. And I thought, "Oh. Crap."
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ethanxxx Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:00am |
Dick Morris seems to be more right than wrong about the political climate in America. Here's a "Feel Good" map of the delegate count from earlier this week.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:10am |
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:16am |
re: #643 Desert Dog
You are probably more qualified than Raines and Gorelick.
Gorelick. What a name!
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:27am |
re: #650 realwest
ALL Y'ALL - wtf is this? I went to sleep around 1:45 AM Eastern time and this thread wasn't even up yet, I get on board again at 8:55 AM Eastern and there are already over 640 comments!
Don't y'all ever SLEEP?! LOL!
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:39am |
re: #644 Rancher
Thanks.
The only time anyone tried to poll me I told them that I wouldn't tell them anything.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:41am |
re: #652 Ojoe
Love your claymation avatar & Wallace & Grommet generally.
Is the chicken from "Chicken Run"?
Yes indeedy...I love Nick Parks' work...
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:52am |
re: #650 realwest
ALL Y'ALL - wtf is this? I went to sleep around 1:45 AM Eastern time and this thread wasn't even up yet, I get on board again at 8:55 AM Eastern and there are already over 640 comments!
Don't y'all ever SLEEP?! LOL!
RORFLMAO...............Of course we do real, most of us just happen to do it while sitting in front of the keyboards typing..... ;)
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:53am |
re: #649 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning scottishbuzzsaw! I'm doing ok, I guess.
Gotta leave early to take Mom over for some tests of her own today, otherwise I guess I'm ok, thanks!
Glad to hear you're doing well!
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:02:54am |
re: #638 Ford_Prefect
What gets me with all these Dem idiots with their tax increases Do they really think that those businesses are just going to pay those increased taxes out of their own profit? No! They will raise the cost of their goods/services to cover for their increased costs, effectively raising our taxes. Idiots!
And to bring it up before the election.
My county commissioner-garbage collector- didn't mention raising rates/taxes until they got elected.
Then they gave me a rate hike.
Pretty smart.
Democrats are basically stupid.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:03:14am |
re: #648 Sharmuta
You're welcome.
However- polls do serve a function. They can show the candidates where they need to focus their energies to win. Right now, I'd say the polls are showing 0bama that he needs to focus on states he should be leading in already but isn't. And he still has to take time off to raise money.
I guess my biggest issue with polls is their potential to influence the actual voting. Not so much this time, but in situations where someone is projected to have a substantial leadit could very easily discourage a lot of people from voting at all. I am not saying that they shouldn't be allowed or anything like that. I am just saying that the American public should ignore them.
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Pullus Iulius Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:03:17am |
re: #613 Sharmuta
It's amazing, really- a national poll is conducted, and Lizards start losing their heads. It doesn't matter what the national polls say- the Electoral College is what matters and inthe states we need to win, McCain is leading.
SO BUCK UP, PEOPLE!
Quite right. Anyone pinning their expectations on a November landslide in September is destined for disappointment. There is a natural pattern of attack and counterattack. Just finished reading an account of the naval actions around Guadalcanal. Adm. John McCain, Sr. would have been familiar with them. Much back and forth. Heavy toll on both sides. Allied victory.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:03:41am |
re: #660 opnion
Posted too quick, like before I even replied. It wasn't a gem anyway.
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:03:43am |
re: #572 Rancher
But who? You can't tell me there are 282 kos kids that are republican!
This is all I could find:
The tracking poll has a baseline of 1100 likely voters nationwide.
Results are based on a three day rolling average.
The margin for error is 3% for the overall tracking.
The margin for error is 5.1% for individual day tracking.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:03:56am |
re: #664 realwest
Take a look at #617 if you're in the mood for fun and amazement...
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:04:19am |
re: #657 ethanxxx
Dick Morris seems to be more right than wrong about the political climate in America. Here's a "Feel Good" map of the delegate count from earlier this week.
Sure hope Dick is right.....
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:04:22am |
re: #650 realwest
Don't y'all ever SLEEP?! LOL!
Not while I'm at work. Which I should be relieved from shortly. Then it's back to gaming.
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lurking faith Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:04:24am |
re: #563 Rancher
On the email front the original site is cooperating with law enforcement. The hacker should be identified and prosecuted.
I'd like to see the rest of the little bastards tracked down and prosecuted for receiving stolen property, too. It's not like they weren't fully aware that the stuff was illegally obtained.
And the AP - anybody publishing any portion of this material needs to pay a price. They KNEW it was stolen, so if they published it anyway then they are profiting from a crime.
Michelle Malkin's posts on this include a screenshot showing Gawker's advertisers' logos. Anybody ticked about Gawker's behavior during this mess should consider writing to the advertisers.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:04:27am |
re: #653 Killian Bundy
I think that is his answer to every major problem....."we don't know what to do".....I will guess that the Harry and Nancy Show will collectively blame Bush and the Republicans for everything and then do nothing.
I take that back, they will probably 1)raise taxes and 2)over regulate the crap out of that industry
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:04:33am |
re: #632 NC State of Mind
re: #623 NevergiveupBiden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I am pretty much speechless?
Yeah Biden-sorta patriotic like giving $3,600 to charity OVER TEN FREAKING YEARS!
You know, I heard that and couldn't quite believe it. Without too much detail, our family of 6 has been having a bit of a rough road income-wise over the last few years and we gave more than that last year by a considerable margin and felt bad that we didn't meet our goal. They should be so friggin' embarrassed but I know liberals don't have the capacity to be.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:04:51am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:05:49am |
re: #666 Ford_Prefect
I guess my biggest issue with polls is their potential to influence the actual voting. Not so much this time, but in situations where someone is projected to have a substantial leadit could very easily discourage a lot of people from voting at all. I am not saying that they shouldn't be allowed or anything like that. I am just saying that the American public should ignore them.
I think the American public IS ignoring them- we Lizards are are not, though.
The undecideds will not make much of a move until the debates. First debate is in 8 days. Can't wait!
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ethanxxx Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:05:53am |
re: #642 realwest
Morning counselor... long time. Same weather here in Winston... Bee-A-Utiful!
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:05:58am |
re: #645 opnion
Come on now. If I pay for the poll , I can certainly influence the outcome.
How is it BHO does so much better in a Kos sponsored poll than the others?
I don't know anything about the methods of the various polls, so I can't explain variations in results or say anythng about accuracy. But it's not at all unusual for there to be some variation across measurements. The thing is to look at multiple surveys and to look at trends. That's what makes sites like Real Clear Politics and Pollster.com valuable. They allow you to look at a variety of indicators.
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:06:37am |
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:07:00am |
re: #660 opnion
Uh, where you gonna say something about what I said or just republish it?!
;')
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:07:08am |
Morning Real... hope today brings you some good news.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:07:10am |
re: #659 Rancher
You are probably more qualified than Raines and Gorelick.
Gorelick. What a name!
Yes, I think my BA in History will serve me better than theirs. I believe they all have Phd degrees in Plundering and Mismanagement
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:07:45am |
re: #587 JustMyView
Funny thing about those 'polls'...
I've received half a dozen calls from an outfit doing polling over the last three weeks. Evenings only. I won't say what the name of the outfit is, because I'm really interested in how this is going to continue - I have Caller ID.
Phone rings, I let it ring twice so caller is ID'd. I pick up the phone and say hello, and there is a hang-up.
I'll bet I'm a D.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:08:40am |
re: #664 realwest
Another day, Real. Ya sound good, my man!
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:08:43am |
Well off to work.... seems pingjockey wants me to hurry up and finish our newest government mind control ray device, I suspect he has nefarious intentions for it.... lol...lol...707....
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:08:57am |
re: #684 Cap'n DOC
Funny thing about those 'polls'...
I've received half a dozen calls from an outfit doing polling over the last three weeks. Evenings only. I won't say what the name of the outfit is, because I'm really interested in how this is going to continue - I have Caller ID.
Phone rings, I let it ring twice so caller is ID'd. I pick up the phone and say hello, and there is a hang-up.
I'll bet I'm a D.
They are selecting you out?
Interesting way to have a random poll.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:09:18am |
re: #686 doriangrey
Well off to work.... seems pingjockey wants me to hurry up and finish our newest government mind control ray device, I suspect he has nefarious intentions for it.... lol...lol...707....
Hi Dorian...bye Dorian...
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:09:50am |
re: #670 scottishbuzzsaw
I've bookmarked it and will check it out later, thanks!
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doriangrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:10:21am |
re: #688 scottishbuzzsaw
Hi Dorian...bye Dorian...
Hi and bye to you to marshmallow... er scottishbuzzsaw.... ;)
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:11:18am |
re: #657 ethanxxx
Dick Morris seems to be more right than wrong about the political climate in America. Here's a "Feel Good" map of the delegate count from earlier this week.
Wow! His analysis is really different than the Real Clear Politics electoral map.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:11:19am |
re: #672 Rancher
Work, gaming, blogging, ok when DO you sleep?!
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:11:28am |
This needs to be an ad:
I’m surprised that the McCain campaign didn’t cut an ad about McCain’s attempt to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005/6 and point out Obama’s inaction on the bill. Maybe that’s coming later, but now is the time to hit that point — while it remains fresh in the minds of the voters.
New McCain Ad:
Dome
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:11:56am |
re: #687 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
SIX since the R convention. I can't imagine doing polling like that, but is there any other explanation?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:12:02am |
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:12:20am |
re: #679 JustMyView
I don't know anything about the methods of the various polls, so I can't explain variations in results or say anythng about accuracy. But it's not at all unusual for there to be some variation across measurements. The thing is to look at multiple surveys and to look at trends. That's what makes sites like Real Clear Politics and Pollster.com valuable. They allow you to look at a variety of indicators.
You are correct about averaging polls whatever model the various polls use. But come on , we are all riding two wheelers now.
One a poll is conduted by an extremely partisan hate group (Kos) & it is at a huge variance with other polls, then averaging that poll in with the others is akin to cooking the books.
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rawmuse Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:12:25am |
Good morning Lizards! Dang, I am up early. My niece called from NC. I keep telling her we are 3 hours earlier on the Pacific, not later. Gah.
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Pullus Iulius Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:12:53am |
re: #642 realwest
Good morning, Realwest. Another pretty morning up here. Keepin' on keepin' on. Some folks on the overnight taking the daily polls a little too seriously, maybe. Everybody gets knocked down a little. Winners get back up the fastest.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:12:55am |
re: #678 ethanxxx
Hey there my "neighbor" LOL! It is beautiful today isn't it?
Hey I hope you're ok - haven't seen you out here much lately?
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Rancher Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:13:22am |
re: #692 realwest
Work, gaming, blogging, ok when DO you sleep?!
After two beers and a vodka martini.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:14:05am |
re: #681 realwest
Uh, where you gonna say something about what I said or just republish it?!
;')
Yeah, something truly doofus about us on the overnight thread , being undead creatures of the night. Actually it is all insomnia
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lurking faith Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:14:58am |
re: #604 doriangrey
The only good thing that will come out of this is that the values of a lot of things that currently are massively over valued (houses, fuel, ect...) will settle back down to where they actually belong.
I do feel kind of sorry for people who just bought insanely priced houses, but I can't help also thinking "Now maybe I'll be able to afford a decent house while I'm still young enough to take care of one."
I don't think the price of fuel is going to come down all that much, though. Not unless the rest of the world gets slammed by our troubles.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:15:04am |
re: #682 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Morning back atcha! I hope so too! But I'm not expecting any news until around the second week in October when I have an appointment with a radiation oncologist; it would be damn nice to get some good news on Mom's bone density test today, though I don't think we'll hear today!
How are you doing this fine morning?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:15:16am |
re: #694 Cap'n DOC
SIX since the R convention. I can't imagine doing polling like that, but is there any other explanation?
I can' think of an innocent explanation of it that makes sense.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:16:20am |
re: #685 Cap'n DOC
Why thanks Cap'n DOC - is "another day" good or bad for y'all?
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:16:24am |
re: #684 Cap'n DOC
Funny thing about those 'polls'...
I've received half a dozen calls from an outfit doing polling over the last three weeks. Evenings only. I won't say what the name of the outfit is, because I'm really interested in how this is going to continue - I have Caller ID.
Phone rings, I let it ring twice so caller is ID'd. I pick up the phone and say hello, and there is a hang-up.
I'll bet I'm a D.
I'm not sure what your point is.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:17:19am |
re: #703 realwest
Morning back atcha! I hope so too! But I'm not expecting any news until around the second week in October when I have an appointment with a radiation oncologist; it would be damn nice to get some good news on Mom's bone density test today, though I don't think we'll hear today!
How are you doing this fine morning?
I sure hope you get that. I won't share my opinion of oncologists, that won't help you.
All well here, waiting till October to convince my doc that PT didn't work and my back needs an MRI. But that is all child's play compared to what you are doing.
Godspeed.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:17:42am |
re: #693 Typicalwhitey
That is the message he has to hammer home.....Obama wants to tax everything. Energy Crisis? Tax the sh*t out of the oil companies. Financial Crisis? Tax and tax some more. Healthcare Crisis? Transfer millions of people to government run plans and THEN tax the sh*t out of everyone to pay for it......I for one, am not looking forward to a future containing Prez. Obama.
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:18:31am |
You may or may not want to see this:
It's ok to click, it's work-safe. Just protect your keyboard from any possible coffee sprayage.
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:18:36am |
All of this feigned indignation about negative McCain ads.
U of W at Madison did research & concluded that since the conventions 57% of McCain ads have been negative. Hmmm
Surprise, 77% of Barry ads have been negative in the same time frame.
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:19:24am |
re: #696 opnion
You are correct about averaging polls whatever model the various polls use. But come on , we are all riding two wheelers now.
One a poll is conduted by an extremely partisan hate group (Kos) & it is at a huge variance with other polls, then averaging that poll in with the others is akin to cooking the books.
Except that it's not at huge variance w/ the most recent results on the RCP site. Check 'em out.
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Silhouette Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:19:24am |
re: #702 lurking faith
I do feel kind of sorry for people who just bought insanely priced houses, but I can't help also thinking "Now maybe I'll be able to afford a decent house while I'm still young enough to take care of one."
When house prices are high, it is good for some people and bad for others.
When house prices are low, it is good for some people and bad for others.
A housing market that has "bottomed out" is great for first-time buyers and the sort! No guilt in that.
The funny thing is watching the media make either situation seem like gloom and doom.
"Housing prices are low: Home owners losing millions in equity!"
"Housing prices are high: working people can't afford homes!"
And as always, it is Bush's fault and the solution is "More socialism!"
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HoosierHoops Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:19:37am |
re: #686 doriangrey
Well off to work.... seems pingjockey wants me to hurry up and finish our newest government mind control ray device, I suspect he has nefarious intentions for it.... lol...lol...707....
Bye Dorian..grab a cup on your way out..
May you never get stuck on I 5 during rush hour...
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lurking faith Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:19:55am |
re: #679 JustMyView
Poll results can be skewed with ease just by how you phrase the questions.
When I hear opinion poll results, I always wish I could see the actual questions that were asked - if I can't, I put no trust in the responses.
It's kind of shocking how easy it is to manipulate people.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:20:08am |
re: #710 Kenneth
You may or may not want to see this:
It's ok to click, it's work-safe. Just protect your keyboard from any possible coffee sprayage.
Doesn't look a thing like her.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:20:18am |
re: #697 rawmuse
ROFL! Well I guess someone on the Left coast might want to get someone on the East coast a watch that is permanently set 3 hours earlier than East coast time!
LOL!
I really hated that when I was an active attorney - clients in California call me at about 7:00PM their time and wonder why they can't reach me on the East Coast!
I have had some funny damn phone messages, I tells ya! LOL
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:20:33am |
re: #712 JustMyView
Except that it's not at huge variance w/ the most recent results on the RCP site. Check 'em out.
I did, Kos is out of line.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:21:02am |
re: #705 realwest
Every day that I can walk and swim is a good day, Real. I think of you as my Robin Williams from - well, you know the movie!
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:21:04am |
re: #716 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Doesn't look a thing like her.
Yeah- lips aren't pursed enough.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:21:46am |
re: #698 Pullus Iulius
Good morning to you, too. Ya really can't take polls even semi-seriously until the next to last week in October anyway.
And I've found it's a LOT easier not to get knocked down in the first place!
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NC State of Mind Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:21:56am |
re: #709 Desert Dog
That is the message he has to hammer home.....Obama wants to tax everything. Energy Crisis? Tax the sh*t out of the oil companies. Financial Crisis? Tax and tax some more. Healthcare Crisis? Transfer millions of people to government run plans and THEN tax the sh*t out of everyone to pay for it......I for one, am not looking forward to a future containing Prez. Obama.
I wish I could find the transcript, but Saturday night on NPR an Obama strategist said word for word:
"The Republican mode of smaller government and less taxes is a job killer not a job maker."
Play that alongside Biden saying paying taxes is patriotic. These people have no idea how small buisness, or any buisness for that matter works.
My opinon is McCain should announce Romney will have a pivotal role in a future McCain administration as far as the economy goes, maybe even Secretary level position. I think most Americans trust Romney on the economy where McCain and Palin are suspect.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:21:58am |
re: #706 JustMyView
My point? I'm being polled. Only I'm not being asked any questions.
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Silhouette Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:22:57am |
re: #708 ploome hineni
you have to know the questions being asked and the language used to ask them...that often slants the answers
I have never been asked a poll question without being able to figure out where the person who wrote the questions stood politically.
I'm sure somewhere out there is an unbiased poll, but I've yet to see one.
The funniest one was when I was asked if "Can America survive a Hillary presidency?" I think it would be horrible, but fully believe America would still exist at the end of it, so I answered "yes." So, I'm down on some poll as a Hillary "supporter."
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lurking faith Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:23:04am |
re: #697 rawmuse
Good morning Lizards! Dang, I am up early. My niece called from NC. I keep telling her we are 3 hours earlier on the Pacific, not later. Gah.
Would it help train her if you called her late in the evening sometime?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:23:23am |
Gotta run... everyone play nice.
Win one for the home team... the good guys... today!
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:23:27am |
re: #696 opnion
The polls do not matter. What matters is McCain has to start hitting the winnable battleground states HARD. I hope he is running ads like crazy in Colorado, New Mexico, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia, Nevada, and Wisconsin. If he loses more than a few of those, it's over. If he can win Ohio, Virginia and any two of the remaining states, he wins...
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:23:43am |
re: #712 JustMyView
Except that it's not at huge variance w/ the most recent results on the RCP site. Check 'em out.
RCP Average:
Obama +.9
kos Average:
Obama +6
Yeah that is real close.
A 5.1 difference!
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:24:02am |
re: #701 opnion
Ah, do you really suffer from insomnia or is it that you're so addicted to LGF that you can't pull yourself away?!? LOL!
I sure hope you don't suffer from insomnia, I've had it in spurts from time to time - maybe three, four days in a row and it's sorta amazing what it does to your perception of reality!
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opnion Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:24:15am |
Michael Steel was just on FNC. When he ran for Gov of Maryland the FBI informed him that his files were hacked. They got his SSN etc & proceeded to ruin his credit.
It was ttraced back to the Democrat Senate Campaign Comittee, Chrales efin Schumer!
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:24:29am |
re: #718 opnion
I did, Kos is out of line.
If you say so, but the most recently conducted polls on RCP show Obama up by 2, 3, 4, and 5. One shows McCain up by 1. The Kos poll shows Obama up by 6, so it's at the top of the range, but it's not in an entirely different ballpark.
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Silhouette Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:24:38am |
re: #728 Typicalwhitey
And if that average includes Kos, the difference is even greater. Does it?
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:24:45am |
re: #710 Kenneth
You may or may not want to see this:
It's ok to click, it's work-safe. Just protect your keyboard from any possible coffee sprayage.
I may not know art, but I know what I don't like.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:25:15am |
re: #728 Typicalwhitey
Was it you that had some poll numbers in individual states earlier, or was that Intrepid?
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:25:23am |
re: #712 JustMyView
I have to agree with you, the polls are fairly accurate, but with some margin of bias by the pollsters. This is usually affected by the types of questions asked and the sampling methods. Overall, when the polls trend in the same direction you can trust they are relatively accurate. When one poll goes the opposite direction from everything else then something fishy is going on.
There is a whole other set of polls which goes on constantly but are never released. These are the secret internal polls conducted by the campaigns. These are usually very focused on specific electoral districts and are used to tailor ads and other activities to that district. For the political historians, these are the most interesting ads because it's there that the real election is fought & won or lost.
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:26:30am |
re: #723 Cap'n DOC
My point? I'm being polled. Only I'm not being asked any questions.
But why does that lead to the conclusion that you are a Democrat? Why would anyone bother to call you and not ask you anything?
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:26:49am |
re: #731 JustMyView
If you say so, but the most recently conducted polls on RCP show Obama up by 2, 3, 4, and 5. One shows McCain up by 1. The Kos poll shows Obama up by 6, so it's at the top of the range, but it's not in an entirely different ballpark.
You're aware that this is a federal election and not a national election, correct?
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Alouette Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:26:58am |
re: #710 Kenneth
You may or may not want to see this:
It's ok to click, it's work-safe. Just protect your keyboard from any possible coffee sprayage.
This piece of shit art was created by the same idiot who sculpted Britney, nude, giving birth on a dead bear. No, no linkies, you should thank me.
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lurking faith Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:26:59am |
re: #710 Kenneth
I think that sculptor has something wrong with him.
Not appropriate. IMHO.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:28:03am |
re: #709 Desert Dog
Well I don't know if Obama -should he win - would really increase taxes so much with an economy in as bad a shape as ours really is - hell, enough folks are losing their jobs now, that putting new taxes on businesses is just gonna result in higher unemployment, more bankruptcies and the like.
Course he has said he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts lapse and not renew them which means that everyone earning more than, iirc, $45,000 a year will be paying higher taxes anyway but other than that, Obama would have to be dumber than dumb to raise taxes in a poor economy.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:28:10am |
re: #730 opnion
Michael Steel was just on FNC. When he ran for Gov of Maryland the FBI informed him that his files were hacked. They got his SSN etc & proceeded to ruin his credit.
It was ttraced back to the Democrat Senate Campaign Comittee, Chrales efin Schumer!
Shocked ! Shocked!
If that 's true what came of it?
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vxbush Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:29:08am |
re: #673 lurking faith
I'd like to see the rest of the little bastards tracked down and prosecuted for receiving stolen property, too. It's not like they weren't fully aware that the stuff was illegally obtained.
And the AP - anybody publishing any portion of this material needs to pay a price. They KNEW it was stolen, so if they published it anyway then they are profiting from a crime.
Michelle Malkin's posts on this include a screenshot showing Gawker's advertisers' logos. Anybody ticked about Gawker's behavior during this mess should consider writing to the advertisers.
FYI: Michelle also has a post explaining how the account was hacked. As I suspected and talked about yesterday, someone guessed the answers to security questions to reset the password. Way, way too easy. And these security questions are way too unsecure.
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:29:10am |
re: #739 Alouette
His Britney sculpture was grotesque. This one of Michelle Obama is just plane tacky. It looks like those busts knocked off by the thousands and sold in in tourist gift shops.
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rawmuse Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:29:42am |
re: #717 realwest
I think she is out your way. Charlotte, or environs thereof.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:29:59am |
re: #744 Kenneth
His Britney sculpture was grotesque. This one of Michelle Obama is just plane tacky. It looks like those busts knocked off by the thousands and sold in in tourist gift shops.
But they told me mine was made out of original african dog wood?
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:30:09am |
re: #737 JustMyView
Once again, why bother calling (and it is a pollster) if they ain't gonna ask me anything? Am I in the plus or minus error stat, or just exactly which statistical category do I fit into?
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:30:12am |
re: #728 Typicalwhitey
RCP Average:
Obama +.9kos Average:
Obama +6Yeah that is real close.
A 5.1 difference!
It doesn't make any sense to compare the average of several polls to a single one. The sensible thing to do is to look at them as a distribution and see whether there are any outliers. As I said above, the Kos poll is at the end of the distribution, but it's not an outlier.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:30:17am |
re: #710 Kenneth
You may or may not want to see this:
It's ok to click, it's work-safe. Just protect your keyboard from any possible coffee sprayage.
Where is her CBF?
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:31:02am |
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Go here and click on the idividual states.
Trends show McCain is moving in the right direction.
I expect things will be different after next Fridays debate.
Obama is now using a prompter for every live event.
Why?
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:31:31am |
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rawmuse Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:32:10am |
re: #751 Typicalwhitey
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Go here and click on the idividual states.
Trends show McCain is moving in the right direction.I expect things will be different after next Fridays debate.
Obama is now using a prompter for every live event.
Why?
Because of remarks like "typical whiter person", "my Muslim faith", et al.
The man is a walking gaffe generator.
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:32:14am |
re: #751 Typicalwhitey
Obama is now using a prompter for every live event.
Why?
It's the only way to keep the bullshit straight.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:32:30am |
re: #752 Kenneth
I'll take a stab at it - Current Boy Friend.
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irish rose Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:32:41am |
Good morning, lizards :).
58 degrees and sunny here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.... hows' everyone?
I'm in a good mood today... I applied for a loan modification on my mortgage last month and it was finally approved. It's going to save me $250 bucks a month.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:33:27am |
re: #741 realwest
He is promising alot of things, things that only a tax increase can pay for. So, either he is promising all of this "free stuff" like a latter day Santa Claus or, he knows he cannot deliver all of that stuff and is lying like crazy. I believe him when he says he will tax the oil companies. I also believe he will, the help of the Democrat congress, shove a government healthcare plan down the throats of the tax payers. Those two, plus letting the Bush tax cuts lapse will be huge.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:33:52am |
re: #713 Silhouette
Good morning to you! Uh "A housing market that has "bottomed out" is great for first-time buyers and the sort! No guilt in that." is true ONLY when there are lenders around with the cash and desire to make mortgage loans. I don't think we're gonna see that for a while now, it's one of the reasons that the Fed put Fannie/Freddie into receivership - to try to free up money for new mortgages or refinancing of existing mortgages. But if you check out the financial news sources, you'll see that most Banks are loathe to expend any of their cash right now, and just aren't making house loans or business loans.
I expect that will change, but probably not for another 4 or 5 weeks, longer is Wachovia and/or WaMu go outta business.
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:33:52am |
Must-see new film:
The Stoning of Soraya M. starring Shohreh Aghdashloo and Jim Caviezel.
(Caviezel played Jesus in Gibson's recent film.)
A good and interesting group here: The Global Campaign to Stop Killing and Stoning Women.
The trailer is almost unbearable to watch. I hope the film gets the widest possible distribution.
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:34:20am |
re: #747 Cap'n DOC
Once again, why bother calling (and it is a pollster) if they ain't gonna ask me anything? Am I in the plus or minus error stat, or just exactly which statistical category do I fit into?
I really don't have any idea what's going on. I only spoke up because I thought you were trying to make a point about bias in polling, and I didn't understand what that point was.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:34:53am |
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:36:02am |
re: #748 JustMyView
It doesn't make any sense to compare the average of several polls to a single one. The sensible thing to do is to look at them as a distribution and see whether there are any outliers. As I said above, the Kos poll is at the end of the distribution, but it's not an outlier.
I am currently looking state by state.
What I am seeing is that the CNN poll is an outlier on every one I have looked at so far.
For example Ohio:
CNN/Time 09/13 - 09/14 913 RV 47 49 Obama +2
PPP (D) 09/13 - 09/14 1077 LV 48 44 McCain +4
FOX News/Rasmussen 09/14 - 09/14 500 LV 48 45 McCain +3
SurveyUSA 09/12 - 09/14 692 LV 49 45 McCain +4
Suffolk University 09/10 - 09/13 600 LV 46 42 McCain +4
InAdv/PollPosition 09/10 - 09/10 500 LV 48 47 McCain +1
Univ. of Cinci 09/05 - 09/10 775 LV 48 44 McCain +4
Strategic Vision (R) 09/07 - 09/09 1200 LV 48 44 McCain +4
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:36:13am |
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:36:13am |
re: #757 irish rose
Morning Rose! Isn't Michigan beautiful this time of year? Glad to hear about your mortgage, I'm in the process right now and I think the appraisal is going to say some things I don't like. Is your Marine son well?
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vxbush Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:36:16am |
re: #765 scottishbuzzsaw
Mornin'....
How are you, "sawcy"? I was so not ready when the alarm clock went off, and yet I forced myself to get up today. It would have been better if the cats had awakened me instead.
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:36:28am |
re: #754 rawmuse
Because of remarks like "typical whiter person", "my Muslim faith", et al.
The man is a walking gaffe generator.
But he gave me a great nic!
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:36:50am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looking that Charlie Rangel is car-eening from one scandal to another. Stuck his clunker in the House parking lot for four years - in violation of Congressional rules against long term parking. Then, he failed to include the imputed income from that long term parking in violation of IRS and Congressional rules.
Rangel must go. Period.
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:37:11am |
Good morning realwest! I hope you're feeling alright this morning. My prayers are with you.
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rawmuse Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:37:12am |
re: #760 realwest
You could not be more correct. We made our offer on our home a week after the Loma Prieta quake at a time when people were actually fleeing the city and the smoke had not cleared. It turned out to be the smartest thing we ever did, besides marrying one another. ;)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:37:58am |
re: #761 godfrey
Must-see new film:
The Stoning of Soraya M. starring Shohreh Aghdashloo and Jim Caviezel.
(Caviezel played Jesus in Gibson's recent film.)
A good and interesting group here: The Global Campaign to Stop Killing and Stoning Women.
The trailer is almost unbearable to watch. I hope the film gets the widest possible distribution.
Shohreh Aghdasloo played the terrorist mother in Season 4 of 24 - best season of the show.
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Kenneth Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:38:02am |
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:38:25am |
Another example Florida:
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Obama (D) Spread
RCP Average 09/05 - 09/16 -- 49.4 44.4 McCain +5.0
CNN/Time 09/14 - 09/16 907 RV 48 48 Tie
FOX News/Rasmussen 09/14 - 09/14 500 LV 49 44 McCain +5
InAdv/PollPosition 09/10 - 09/10 511 LV 50 42 McCain +8
Quinnipiac 09/05 - 09/09 1032 LV 50 43 McCain +7
PPP (D) 09/06 - 09/07 986 LV 50 45 McCain +5
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:38:28am |
re: #738 Sharmuta
You're aware that this is a federal election and not a national election, correct?
Gosh, no! Thanks for telling me.
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:38:42am |
re: #771 ploome hineni
Their laws are despicable. They should be held up to constant public ridicule.
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:39:32am |
Good morning everyone... (good evening and goodnight)
Thursday AM must-read.
snip...
Forget the Tina Fey SNL mockery and all the marginalia being written about Sarah Palin now. She did four real things in Alaska that make her fit for anyone interested in a reform presidency.She took on: her party's state chairman, her party's state attorney general, GOP Gov. Frank Murkowski's tainted gas pipeline project, and then she supported a GOP candidate who ran against Alaska's "untouchable" GOP congressional earmarker, Don Young.
One way or another, each episode involved severing the sleazy ties that bind public officials to grasping commercial interests, something even the Democratic left purports to favor.
It isn't just Washington and Juneau. You could open the nozzle on the same reform fire hose to wash the public-private slime out of the capital hallways of New York, New Jersey, California, Illinois and onward.
You say Sarah Palin doesn't have enough "experience" to run Washington? Washington is barely fit to be run.
The problem isn't standard political corruption. The problem is that the $2.8 trillion federal budget is a vast ocean of Beltway pilot fish feeding off scraps from the whale — lawyers, lobbyists, ex-Members of Congress. No one runs the Sea of Washington. It's too big, too deep.
Barack Obama wants to dig a deeper hole. John McCain should ask the American people if they want this to go on, because it's nonsense to vote for government to do "more" and then whine when it doesn't work or degrades into sweetheart-deal hell.
Unfocused "reform" rhetoric from Mr. McCain isn't enough. The public has been there, heard that. Sen. McCain should talk about what he knows — fat Fannie and Freddie, farm-bill bloat, the ethanol subsidy fiasco, the federal procurement mess. Show people Gov. Palin's 18 single-spaced pages of 2007 vetoes. Then identify Congress's bipartisan supporters of the Legislative Line-Item Veto Act and ask the voters' support. Appear with GOP congressman from Sarah's new generation who want to help — Eric Cantor of Virginia, Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, Kevin McCarthy of California. There are others.
Promise to spend the first two years on this historic political reform effort, and if a Democratic Congress laughs, promise to barnstorm in 2010 for a Congress willing to act, from any party.
One hears talk of John McCain's temper. My guess is voters want someone to lose it with Washington, big time. Oh, and he should ask what's the difference between a reformist pit bull and a six-term senator. It isn't lipstick.
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irish rose Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:39:33am |
re: #768 Spenser (with an S)
Morning Rose! Isn't Michigan beautiful this time of year? Glad to hear about your mortgage, I'm in the process right now and I think the appraisal is going to say some things I don't like. Is your Marine son well?
He's very well, thanks for asking.
Currently between deployments, and probably won't go out again until after the first of the year.
The dog and I I went for a walk this morning out to the lighthouse. The air is crisp and the sky a beautiful robins-egg blue. Most of the tourists have gone home, and the locals have the beaches all to themselves.... this is my favorite time of year.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:39:46am |
re: #761 godfrey
Wow!
The seathing will begin in 3,2,1
My son met Caviezel at his church in Fl.. Sat and talked to the
youth about his life changing experience making the " Passion"!
Very sharp guy1
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:39:51am |
re: #301 SouthAmericanWay
Several polls released by ARG (American Research Group), which I have found extremely trustworthy in the past, were made available yesterday evening (Colorado, Missouri, Ohio, and - as a trend - Illinois are particularly interesting):
State McCain Obama
AL 58% 36%
AK 55% 39%
AZ 56% 39%
CO 46% 44%
DE 40% 51%
DC 13% 82%
HI 32% 63%
ID 68% 25%
IL 45% 51%
KS 63% 31%
KY 57% 37%
LA 50% 43%
ME 41% 51%
MS 55% 39%
MO 50% 45%
MT 49% 47%
NV 49% 46%
NM 44% 51%
NY 38% 55%
NC 52% 41%
OH 50% 44%
RI 33% 59%
TX 57% 36%
UT 65% 29%
WV 49% 45%
WY 66% 28%
Ah! Here was the post I was thinking of. I added some bold, however.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:39:54am |
re: #772 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looking that Charlie Rangel is car-eening from one scandal to another. Stuck his clunker in the House parking lot for four years - in violation of Congressional rules against long term parking. Then, he failed to include the imputed income from that long term parking in violation of IRS and Congressional rules.
Rangel must go. Period.
He's corrupt in even the smallest things.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:40:51am |
re: #779 Kenneth
Ha! LOL!
Thanks, I'm going to chuckle over that all day.
Cat-butt face!
Spread it around!
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lurking faith Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:40:53am |
re: #743 vxbush
FYI: Michelle also has a post explaining how the account was hacked. As I suspected and talked about yesterday, someone guessed the answers to security questions to reset the password. Way, way too easy. And these security questions are way too unsecure.
Oh, I agree.
I have an easy way around that, though: I make the answers up. (If someone enters my correct birth date, or my mother's real maiden name, the security filter will consider them an imposter. This makes me happy.)
Or else I choose the questions that don't contain publicly discoverable information.
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:41:28am |
re: #778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Glad to hear it. She was nominated for an Academy Award for her role in "House of Sand and Fog."
Sounds like an Obama documentary.
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WriterMom Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:41:29am |
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vxbush Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:41:41am |
re: #784 FrogMarch
Good morning everyone... (good evening and goodnight)
Thursday AM must-read.
snip...
Gotta highlight this part:
The problem isn't standard political corruption. The problem is that the $2.8 trillion federal budget is a vast ocean of Beltway pilot fish feeding off scraps from the whale — lawyers, lobbyists, ex-Members of Congress. No one runs the Sea of Washington. It's too big, too deep.
Barack Obama wants to dig a deeper hole. John McCain should ask the American people if they want this to go on, because it's nonsense to vote for government to do "more" and then whine when it doesn't work or degrades into sweetheart-deal hell.
That needs an ad.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:41:48am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:42:18am |
re: #769 vxbush
How are you, "sawcy"? I was so not ready when the alarm clock went off, and yet I forced myself to get up today. It would have been better if the cats had awakened me instead.
I'm just fine, thank you...here's a kitty who's having the same kind of problem:
[Link: bp2.blogger.com...]
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:42:23am |
re: #764 JustMyView
Hey, I'm asking the same questions that you are. I see no rational reason for calling me, not once, twice or three times if they are not going to poll me. But why continue to call?
I'm as baffled as you are - unless it's just me being overly suspicious, I can't see why a pollster would not ask the questions unless they intended to skew numbers. I live in a small (3) EV state, but one the D's claimed they were going to take away from (historically) the other party.
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Desert Dog Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:42:44am |
re: #780 Typicalwhitey
I would say the CNN/Time polls (and any poll from KOS/DU/Moveon) is suffering from a condition Statisticians call TOTS. TOTS can occur in any poll when the outcome of a poll is more important than the purity of the sampling. TOTS stands for Thumb On The Scale. I would say they have a big fat case of TOTS in those CNN/Time polls
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WriterMom Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:42:51am |
re: #468 MandyManners
A Yemenite American teenaged girl apparently.
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:42:55am |
While team Obama is playing vile below the belt politics. (inaccurately quoting Rush in Spanish)
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vxbush Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:43:31am |
re: #792 lurking faith
Oh, I agree.
I have an easy way around that, though: I make the answers up. (If someone enters my correct birth date, or my mother's real maiden name, the security filter will consider them an imposter. This makes me happy.)Or else I choose the questions that don't contain publicly discoverable information.
Exactly, but I fear not enough people do that. I wish there was another way to handle password issues that just to ask a bunch of questions that can easily be googled, though. I've read articles on the security issues, but there seems to be no good answer.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:43:35am |
re: #784 FrogMarch
Good morning everyone... (good evening and goodnight)
Thursday AM must-read.
snip...
This morning, CNN teased and teased, and then finally delivered, a hit piece on the community sports center that Palin got going in Wasilla.
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:43:39am |
re: #767 MandyManners
I put a Spinoff link up above (A fanny mae vid) and there is a quick clip of mrs. 0bama- she's got her CBF going- and it wasn't even a hostile crowd! She was among friends. WTF is her problem?
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godfrey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:44:08am |
re: #793 ploome hineni
I'll take any form of pressure at this point.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:44:18am |
re: #745 rawmuse
AH! A lucky young woman then! You for a dad and North Carolina for home!
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:44:29am |
re: #802 WriterMom
A Yemenite American teenaged girl apparently.
Was she trying to get a visa for her BF or her husband?
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vxbush Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:44:43am |
re: #798 scottishbuzzsaw
I'm just fine, thank you...here's a kitty who's having the same kind of problem:
[Link: bp2.blogger.com...]
That's me, in a past life. I never did learn how to wake up.
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Golem Akbar Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:44:50am |
Bom dia boker tov and buenos dias Lizardia. Hey it's nearly fall! The bestest of seasons, imho.
I posted the latest Michael Ramirez cartoon above, about li'l Kim. Made me chuckle.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:45:03am |
re: #795 WriterMom
Massive, Steaming Dhimmi Dump By President Bush at White House Iftar Dinner
*banging head on desk*
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:45:21am |
re: #807 Sharmuta
I put a Spinoff link up above (A fanny mae vid) and there is a quick clip of mrs. 0bama- she's got her CBF going- and it wasn't even a hostile crowd! She was among friends. WTF is her problem?
Maybe she sucks lemons all day.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:45:45am |
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:46:05am |
re: #752 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! I think it stands for Carbon something Footprint!
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:46:16am |
re: #796 vxbush
That needs an ad.
McCain must must must get off the silly "sex ed for kindergarteners" and stomp all over what people really care about.
Obama's unsavory and corrupt connections alone could make hours of TV ads.
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rawmuse Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:46:21am |
re: #810 realwest
I do love NC. I was there in May when there were some bad forest fires and the air was perfectly dreadful. I hope y'all got some rain since. My Mom says things are still dry as a bone where she lives in the Tidewater, VA area.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:46:40am |
I had to leave church Sunday morning when it turned out that the sermon was not about bearing up under desperate circumstances, when you feel like you're going crazy because something is being perpetrated upon you and your country that is so obscene that it simply cannot be happening.
I sat outside a 7-Eleven and had a sacramental Dove chocolate bar. Jeez: Here we are again. A man and a woman whose values we loathe and despise -- lying, rageful and incompetent, so dangerous to children and old people, to innocent people in every part of the world -- are being worshiped, exalted by the media, in a position to take a swing at all that is loveliest about this earth and what's left of our precious freedoms.
/Good Lord, moonbat heads are already exploding
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vxbush Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:46:53am |
Hmmm. Apparently there is work that should be done. Perhaps I should do it.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:46:58am |
Well, the gaffe machine Biden thinks we're not paying enough in taxes and that we should pay more taxes to be patriotic. Another way to put it, low taxes are unpatriotic.
So, what about tax cheats like Charlie Rangel. Does that mean Rangel is unpatriotic because he's not paying his fair share?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:02am |
re: #795 WriterMom
Massive, Steaming Dhimmi Dump By President Bush at White House Iftar Dinner
It could be worse. Not exactly sure how? But.....
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WriterMom Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:08am |
re: #811 MandyManners
I didn't read the whole article, but I think I saw it on JihadWatch.
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:12am |
re: #757 irish rose
Good morning Rose - that is indeed great news!
Congratulations!
How are you doing today, other than the new mortgage I mean?!
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FrogMarch Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:14am |
re: #806 MandyManners
This morning, CNN teased and teased, and then finally delivered, a hit piece on the community sports center that Palin got going in Wasilla.
How dare she! of course - if Obama had done the same thing - he'd be hailed and applauded. CNN is a disgusting DNC TV.
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kawfytawk Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:20am |
re: #799 Cap'n DOC
Hey, I'm asking the same questions that you are. I see no rational reason for calling me, not once, twice or three times if they are not going to poll me. But why continue to call?
I'm as baffled as you are - unless it's just me being overly suspicious, I can't see why a pollster would not ask the questions unless they intended to skew numbers. I live in a small (3) EV state, but one the D's claimed they were going to take away from (historically) the other party.
If you are wondering why they call and hang up it is actually their automatic dial computer system. It calls to see if there is a "real " person answering verses answering machine. Then a day or 2 later you will get the real sales call....or poll call.
Depending on the system you could get several "test" calls.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:20am |
re: #808 ploome hineni
my spelling is atrocious thismorning....my secretary is late
LOL
Good Morning Ploome..need more coffee? :)
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:24am |
re: #812 WriterMom
Silo shaped droopy boobs. Yuck.
It's disgusting. Does the sculptor treat white women like that?
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JustMyView Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:35am |
re: #799 Cap'n DOC
Hey, I'm asking the same questions that you are. I see no rational reason for calling me, not once, twice or three times if they are not going to poll me. But why continue to call?
I'm as baffled as you are - unless it's just me being overly suspicious, I can't see why a pollster would not ask the questions unless they intended to skew numbers. I live in a small (3) EV state, but one the D's claimed they were going to take away from (historically) the other party.
Well, you have their Caller ID info. Why not call them and ask them what's going on? If you're not interested in doing that, I guess you just have to regard it as one of the great mysteries of life.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:47:36am |
re: #823 vxbush
Hmmm. Apparently there is work that should be done. Perhaps I should do it.
Yes, me too...so hard to leave...hope you have a great day!
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:48:09am |
re: #831 MandyManners
It's disgusting. Does the sculptor treat white women like that?
White women he portrays as giving birth on bear skin rugs.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:48:15am |
re: #797 MandyManners
My head at the general stupidity of the world.
My wife, after a particularly frustrating day at work, asked me if the martians have been spreading stupid dust. I figure they started at the Democratic National Convention. :-)
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Golem Akbar Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:48:18am |
re: #812 WriterMom
Silo shaped droopy boobs. Yuck.
It's not even 7 am here on the west coast...but it's never too early.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:48:25am |
re: #824 lawhawk
Well, the gaffe machine Biden thinks we're not paying enough in taxes and that we should pay more taxes to be patriotic. Another way to put it, low taxes are unpatriotic.
So, what about tax cheats like Charlie Rangel. Does that mean Rangel is unpatriotic because he's not paying his fair share?
Charlie Rangel could be the poster buffoon for term limits.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:48:34am |
re: #822 Killian Bundy
/Good Lord, moonbat heads are already exploding
Fortunately, no brains in their heads equals little mess to clean up.
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MandyManners Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:49:11am |
re: #795 WriterMom
Massive, Steaming Dhimmi Dump By President Bush at White House Iftar Dinner
What frontiers of scientific knowledge have Muslims broadened? Perfecting ways to kill?
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:49:34am |
re: #787 Sharmuta
Sharmuta,
I am in Missouri and I live in a rural area with a lot of Dems
NOT ONE Obama sign.
McCain signs yes, Obama no.
I have made it my personal mission to deliver Missouri to the MacDaddy!
I have converted my best friend, my brother and my sister in law.
My sister is converting her Dem friends in the city, some because of McCain they trust and Obama they don't and others because they want a woman in the White House.
I have 3 signs out front. Right by the street.
funny aside, my mom was a hard core Dem but she LOVED McCain.
Wish she were here to see this!
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:49:46am |
re: #822 Killian Bundy
Remind me - please. The Salon was discredited for publishing 'news' from Iraq, right? And they ought to remain a voice to be heard, why?
/muted rant off
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realwest Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:49:48am |
re: #773 Kenneth
Hey thanks my friend! All prayers are gratefully accepted!
How are you doing today?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:49:57am |
re: #830 HoosierHoops
re: #808 ploome hinenimy spelling is atrocious thismorning....my secretary is late
LOL
Good Morning Ploome..need more coffee? :)
Then his secretary would be latte.
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WriterMom Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:50:05am |
re: #831 MandyManners
MM, he's obviously a sick f*ck.
The work, by controversial sculptor Daniel Edwards, is clearly a nod to both Mrs Obama's ethnic roots and her position at the heart of American culture and politics.
The sculpture forms part of the Inspire America series by Edwards, which includes the Oprah Sarcophagus, and The Iraq War Memorial, featuring a work which depicts Prince Harry as if he had died in combat clutching the cameo-locket of his late mother, Princess Diana.
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Alouette Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:50:20am |
re: #795 WriterMom
Massive, Steaming Dhimmi Dump By President Bush at White House Iftar Dinner
How many unindicted co-conspirators were invited?
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runrabbitrun Thu, Sep 18, 2008 6:50:33am |
re: #772 lawhawk
Rangel must go. Period.
Pelosi sees "no reason why Mr Rangel should step down"
Two closed door meetings with the crook and she thinks not? I'm wondering if Nancy has been, let's say, prodded by some subtle blackmailing from Charlie regarding other dirty-dealings by congressional Dems - and right before the election, too...
