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Boston Globe Op-Ed: 'I Don't Support the Troops'

US News | Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:47:02 am PDT

Every once in a while a “progressive” gets tired of maintaining a false front, and comes right out and says what they really feel about the military and about America. Today’s self-unmasking is by Steve Almond, for the Boston Globe: Supporting our troops.

PERHAPS the most insidious byproduct of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has been a reflexive sanctification of the military. To put this in bumper stickerese: Support the Troops.

Well, I have an ugly confession to make: I don’t support the troops - at least not unconditionally. When somebody tells me they serve in the military, my first impulse isn’t to say, “Thank you for your service!” like those insufferable chickenhawks on talk radio.

My first impulse is to say, “I’m sorry to hear that.” Because I am. I’m sorry to know that the person I’m talking to might someday be maimed or killed on the job, or might someday kill someone else. Or refuel a plane that drops bombs on buildings.

I can’t see how anyone who calls himself or herself Christian - or human, for that matter - wouldn’t be sorry.

The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

(Hat tip: Michael Graham.)

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1 Celtic Templar  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:48:02am

I hate traitors.

2 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:48:07am

He should quit the human race.

3 peacekeeper  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:48:24am

How many countries has the Boston Globe freed?

4 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:48:42am

What a maroon.

5 Pickles  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:49:00am

At least he's honest...

6 mama winger  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:49:05am

You don't want to hear what I have to say to this dillweed.

Trust me.

7 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:49:27am

F*^$ you, Steve Almond.

8 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:49:35am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

If only we could evolve into Organians.

9 Pyrocles  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:49:42am

Another day, another scumbag announces his presence with his media megaphone.

10 Celtic Templar  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:49:54am
PERHAPS the most insidious byproduct of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has been a reflexive sanctification of the military. To put this in bumper stickerese: Support the Troops.

Hey douchebag, that's been my motto from day 1 on this planet. That and Semper Fi, Don't Tread on Me, Love or Leave it.

Here's one for Stevie:

Kiss my Ass

11 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:50:18am

He's gotta' be a Marxist to believe in the ability of human beings to become perfect, that war will one day fade away.

12 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:50:20am

Thats okay Mr Almondbutter.

My son, son-in-laugh, and daughter will still support your right to be a jerk and will protect you to the best of their ability now and in the future.

13 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:50:32am

who is he calling a "chicken hawk?"

as far as most of us are concerned he is a "chicken shit"

14 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:50:46am

General McAuliffe's reply to Almond: "Nuts."

15 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:51:36am

What a pitiful spectacle.

16 mama winger  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:52:09am

Dear Stevie,

Please turn in your personal copy of the Bill of Rights (including your freedom of speech) at your nearest government facility.

You cannot rightfully lay claim to them if you reject the men and women who provided them to you.

Sincerely,

STFU

17 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:52:13am

re: #11 MandyManners

He's gotta' be a Marxist to believe in the ability of human beings to become perfect, that war will one day fade away.

i'd like to buy the world a coke and keep it company.
we are the world, we are the children.

We are the bankroll

18 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:52:35am
When somebody tells me they serve in the military... my first impulse is to say, “I’m sorry to hear that.”

Please, PLEASE say this to the next Marine or Ranger you meet, Stevie. I fully support you! Go for the gusto.

19 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:52:50am

Joel Stein of the LA Times beat this guy by two years. Warriors and Wusses.

I remember when it came out it was considered very subversive by the lefties, really got their rocks off.

I'm starting to despair for America. Really despair.

20 Roentgen  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:52:58am

The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

Ugh. Where has this person been? Didn't they read history in school? What planet are they from? How many unicorns do they see in an average day?

21 the jinxmedic  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:53:02am

Well, it would be nice to live in a lollypop world of eternal peace, happiness, and granola- BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST!


Therefore, I am volunteering for my seventh tour. So there.

22 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:53:10am

It literally makes me sick to my stomach that my nephew died defending assholes like this ones right to freedom and free speech.
Man.

23 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:53:36am

No, this guy isn't a traitor, but he's clearly ignorant of what sacrifices are made by those in the military to protect the free speech rights that enable him to show himself to be an ignoramus. That the military was used to protect US interests in the Middle East and remove a brutal dictator and gives the Iraqis the ability to become a more productive society doesn't even enter in to the equation for him.

He just thinks selfishly.

24 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:53:38am
25 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:53:53am

Fuck you, Steve Almond.

26 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:54:05am

re: #19 Irene NYC

Joel Stein of the LA Times beat this guy by two years. Warriors and Wusses.

I remember when it came out it was considered very subversive by the lefties, really got their rocks off.

I'm starting to despair for America. Really despair.

do not despair for America. there is still a military in the US and as long as that military exists, it matters not what idiots think.

27 Victrola  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:54:11am

What, no "Thank You for protecting my sorry traitorous ass"? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.

28 tilli  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:54:21am

He is sorry that we have a force in place to protect his sorry ass. renounce your citizenship and go find a country that is not willing to fight for its citizens or those with no hope or voice.

29 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:54:40am
our species is still ruled by fear and aggression

Uhmm.... Duh?

30 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:54:54am

re: #22 Typicalwhitey

sorry to hear about your nevvy. I didnt know.

31 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:05am

Points to this fink for arrogant honesty, at least. I'm more exercised by soft-brains who tell me "I support our troops, but I don't support the war." And to them I like to say, "Since it would be inane for me to say the opposite, that I supported the war but didn't support our troops, what you just said means nothing."

32 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:14am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

But there's no cost to saying such stupid things to Boston Globe readers. Who's the op-ed editor there?

33 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:19am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

General McAuliffe's reply to Almond: "Nuts."

That's funny. I was in the middle of typing "Steve Almond - just another nut". Hehe.

34 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:23am

Refreshingly, the reader comments to this drivel are OVERWHELMINGLY negative.

35 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:38am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

Does this moron realize that the same applies to cops?

36 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:41am

Just give Peace a chance. What a dreamer. Is it sad that some people think they have to enforce their will by terror bombings and head loppings? Sure it is.

Is it sad we have to put them down? It was sad to put down Old Yeller and he was a loving, brave dog. The day is far off when we won't need rough men.

"Good people sleep peacefully at night safe in the knowledge that rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" Orwell.

Even your's Mr. Almond.

37 bulwrk  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:49am

“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”


George Orwell.

38 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:55:57am

re: #21 the jinxmedic

Well, it would be nice to live in a lollypop world of eternal peace, happiness, and granola- BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST!


Therefore, I am volunteering for my seventh tour. So there.

thank you.

39 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:56:03am

Jews stand as a testament to Man's Imperfections. We know we're imperfect and don't try to think otherwise. And we kinda like being imperfect.

problem is all the Perfectionists have a problem with us being imperfect...

I rather hope there isn't perfection anywhere much like I hope the World isn't true fair. Because if it was fair, then all the nasty things that happen to us is because we deserve it. I therefore take great comfort in the randomness, hostility, and unfairness in the world

40 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:56:16am

re: #22 Typicalwhitey

It literally makes me sick to my stomach that my nephew died defending assholes like this ones right to freedom and free speech.
Man.

My family appreciates immensely your nephew's service and his defense of our rights. I believe there are more people who appreciate it then people like this @#$% with his cushy job at the Globe. Unfortunately, people like this moron run most of the media pulpits right now so it seems like there are more of them.

41 gymnast  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:56:30am

That Almond boy is looking for a job in an Obama administration and is to cheap to pay for a stamp to send his resume in. The boy doesn't realize that his life's work isn't worth the price of a stamp and that he just self cancelled his ass.

42 Racer X  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:56:39am

If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you can read this in english, thank our military.

43 Celtic Templar  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:56:55am

re: #19 Irene NYC

Joel Stein of the LA Times beat this guy by two years. Warriors and Wusses.

I remember when it came out it was considered very subversive by the lefties, really got their rocks off.

I'm starting to despair for America. Really despair.

Don't despair, while this asshat thinks having a military is tragic, the military does not think defending him is tragic. They think it is their duty, something these lefties would never understand.

44 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:57:08am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

As it ever was, as it ever shall be.


My first impulse is to say, “I’m sorry to hear that.”

And I am sorry to hear of your disconnect with history, reality, logic, biology, human nature...

45 barb42  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:57:25am

Don't worry, Steve. My son is on his way for his 2nd tour. He'll cover you why you make an idiot out of your self. For now.

46 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:57:35am

Humans have in fact been slowly evolving toward a less violent style. We see it in the thinner skulls of today's humans, and in the reduced death rate to violence. Despite all our wars, a smaller fraction of deaths today result from violence than at any time in the past.

We have a ways to go. There is still a built in tendency to resort to violence. As long as that exists, nations that wish peace will have to prepare for war. OK, it's tragic. But the American soldier, and for that matter, the soldiers of most of the civilized and reasonable nations of the world, are doing their own nations and the world community a favor by deterring the aggressive tendencies of rogue regimes and movements. And if that fails, by throwing back the aggression or punishing it.

Is our Boston Globe columnist sorry to hear it when he learns that somebody is a cop? When armies are outlawed, only outlaw regimes will have armies.

48 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:57:55am

Another Self-Appointed Superior Being. Someone who is proud of the fact that not only does he not understand, he also does not want to understand.

Wars are caused by people who want to use other people as livestock.

Peace, as well as Liberty and Security, is caused by the systematic elimination of the self-appointed herders of humans.

49 Mark1957  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:06am

Gee, if this Super Genius doesn't support the troops now, he'll really dislike them after McPalin get elected and merge the armed forces into one big Waffen-SS.

/snark, big eye-roll

50 redheadredstate  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:06am

I don't know whether to think this is a good thing that these wacko's are finally showing their true colors or to be alarmed that they feel that they don't need to hide it anymore. This either means they are desperate or that they think they are going to win in a landslide. Please be the former and not the latter.

51 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:09am

Threats of violence are not permitted on the threads.
So, have a nice day.

52 Pyrocles  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:11am

I remember an NPR story from last year, in which they reported that the "Support the Troops" slogan came directly from the Pentagon itself; thus making it "evil". It was as if they were insinuating that it was jingoistic propaganda tool or something, which should be taken with a grain of salt.

53 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:14am

re: #26 Eowyn2

do not despair for America. there is still a military in the US and as long as that military exists, it matters not what idiots think.

When almost 50% of our citizenry, our press and our elected officials do not understand the fundamentals of what America is and why it is what it is, we have almost run off the rails. And our wonderful military can't change that.

And in the case of "the press", make that 90%.

54 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:30am

re: #17 Eowyn2

i'd like to buy the world a coke and keep it company.
we are the world, we are the children.

We are the bankroll

Those nice young men....

55 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:41am

I am truly sorry that good harmless vegetables die to support this selfish ass.

56 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:47am

re: #32 godfrey

But there's no cost to saying such stupid things to Boston Globe readers. Who's the op-ed editor there?

As noted above, check out the reader comments; there may indeed be a cost. This may be over the line even by Globe reader standards.

Example:

I am retired Army, and I have been to Iraq. I was born in Boston, and grew up in Weymouth. It saddens me to see that intellectually truncated persons like this author are allowed to publish their nonsense in the media. The author took his Bush and Cheney Derangement Syndrome and extended it into his hatred for the troops that provide for him the freedom to be an obnoxious jerk. I will not waste time debunking his stupidity, and merely note that the Globe chose to allow this screed, disrespectful to those who serve, to go forward. The irony is that the author will never know the strength, courage, integrity, and sense of honor it takes to serve one's country, while he disparages its servants from the position of safety and comfort given to him freely by those servants. I am retired Army, and I have been to Iraq. I was born in Boston, and grew up in Weymouth. It saddens me to see that intellectually truncated persons like this author are allowed to publish their nonsense in the media. The author took his Bush and Cheney Derangement Syndrome and extended it into his hatred for the troops that provide for him the freedom to be an obnoxious jerk. I will not waste time debunking his stupidity, and merely note that the Globe chose to allow this screed, disrespectful to those who serve, to go forward. The irony is that the author will never know the strength, courage, integrity, and sense of honor it takes to serve one's country, while he disparages its servants from the position of safety and comfort given to him freely by those servants.

57 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:48am

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

Does this moron realize that the same applies to cops?

And community organizers?

Heh.

58 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:58:52am

re: #30 Eowyn2

Thanks

59 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:59:08am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

Please, PLEASE say this to the next Marine or Ranger you meet, Stevie. I fully support you! Go for the gusto.

But thats the thing. They would stand there and take it and conduct themselves in a manner fitting a member of the armed services. They wouldn't lower themselves to his level.

60 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:59:25am

re: #55 lifeofthemind

I am truly sorry that good harmless vegetables die to support this selfish ass.

Make that good harmless organic vegetables.

61 Scorch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:59:25am

I wonder if Steve feels the same about those who are firefighters, law enforcement and such. Obviously anyone who is willing to sacrifice their life for others is offensive to him.

62 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:59:46am

Wonder if he is the brother of that Code Pinko chick who picketed the Marine Recruiters' Station, but then when some menacing scary dude walked toward her, she called out "HEY MARINE! YOU, MARINE! HELP!"

Betcha they're at least first cousins.

63 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:59:53am

re: #29 Spenser (with an S)

Uhmm.... Duh?

That's why I say he's a Marxist.

64 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 8:59:54am

re: #23 lawhawk

He just thinks selfishly.


He's gone into full blown narcissism.

65 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:13am

re: #40 livefreeor die

Thanks and you are right.

If I see anyone in uniform, no matter where they are, I offer a handshake and tell them thank you.
And I do it in front of my daughter so she will respect them too.

66 DeafDog  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:23am

When questioned why he did something stupid, the great Charles Barkley said something like, "I'm young. I'm supposed to be stupid."

The same thing applies to this guy.

I pity the fool.

67 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:24am

The bubble headed pacifism Mr. Almond espouses is merely an exalted, morally acceptable form of nihilism.

68 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:26am

I'd suggest conscription for Steve Almond's cure, but I'm certain he'd be rejected outright.

69 Teacake!  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:33am

Guess this guy has never brushed up on world history. Every society, kingdom, nation has either had a military to defend itself from invaders or had allies to help them if they in the modern world, don't have a military of their own. Its part of the human story. Even our bodies have a military defense system to fight off deadly invaders that could kill us.

70 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:41am

re: #31 Pullus Iulius

Points to this fink for arrogant honesty, at least. I'm more exercised by soft-brains who tell me "I support our troops, but I don't support the war." And to them I like to say, "Since it would be inane for me to say the opposite, that I supported the war but didn't support our troops, what you just said means nothing."

As I recall, what I highlighted in bold sums up the majority of CongressCritters.

71 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:48am

re: #39 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Who's imperfect? My beast tells me I make the sun rise. Thought I was wrong once but .. ah hell you know the rest.

72 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:00:52am

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

Does this moron realize that the same applies to cops?

With the advent of the rule of the proletariat, there will be no crime because crime is based on fear and need.

73 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:00am

re: #6 mama winger

...dillweed.

Unfamilar with that one. Some sort of a GreenScumGrowth?

74 Summersong  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:17am

"It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression".

Late adulthood?

75 the jinxmedic  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:21am

re: #38 Eowyn2

You're welcome!

Seriously, sitting out of rotation for the last couple of years has been driving me CRAZY. It's tme to go back to the box and do my job.


TJM

76 Scorch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:25am

re: #45 barb42

Salute barb42 and yes THANK YOU and your families service to this country.

77 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:30am

What the f*ck is wrong with Massachusetts? The American Revolution started there, for God's sake.

And to add insult to injury, it keeps electing narcissistic morons like Kennedy, Kerry and Frank.

78 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:35am

Marjorie Pritchard was the Globe's op-ed page editor in '05. Not sure if she's still there, and I'm too hungry and lazy now that it's lunchtime to look. However, she did say some things about her approach here, if anyone actually cares.

79 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:38am

re: #65 Typicalwhitey

Thanks and you are right.

If I see anyone in uniform, no matter where they are, I offer a handshake and tell them thank you.
And I do it in front of my daughter so she will respect them too.

That's what I do with my sons watching. I explained to them how my father and grandfather were treated when they returned from Vietnam. Now they think it's really cool when I thank people in uniform and they chime in with me.

80 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:01:50am

If I ever see a service man or woman in a restaurant, I summon the waitress and tell them to give me the check for them, and don't tell them. But, the last five or six times I have tried this, the waitress tells me that someone already did.

81 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:15am

re: #56 Occasional Reader

As noted above, check out the reader comments; there may indeed be a cost. This may be over the line even by Globe reader standards.


Well, I'd say you can say that again, but I see from your post that he already did.

82 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:38am

re: #77 Irene NYC

What the f*ck is wrong with Massachusetts? The American Revolution started there, for God's sake.

And to add insult to injury, it keeps electing narcissistic morons like Kennedy, Kerry and Frank.

Quakers, or Friends church, I am thinking.

83 jester6  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:48am

The masked face of the left promises the masses that they will take from the rich and give to the poor. They will end greed and economic cycles and human misery of all sorts. It is a very enticing promise to people unaware of history or the mechanations of the complex world we live in.

Only those of us who really pay attention to politics and history know the unmasked face of the left. The faces of Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin come to mind. The faces of those willing to sacrifice a few of the masses inorder to create utopia.

Everyday one of those progressives drops the mask is a good day, because it makes it less likely we will have to sacrifice some of the masses before the masses see the left for who they really are.

84 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:50am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

Well - I rang your bell on that one, sir.

85 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:55am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

How's that re-engineering the human species project going for you there, Steve? Have you managed to undo 100,000 years of evolution yet? Apparently you've performed a successful auto-orchidectomy, but you just can't seem to get the rest of the planet to sign up yet. Moron.

86 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:57am

Wow. Just.... wow. If we all chip in a dollar we should be able to get him a one way ticket to anywhere else but here. What an a$$.

87 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:02:58am

Well, at least he's honest. One thing I hate is lefties that say they support our troops, but then say they are victims with psychological problems that need to be coddled.

88 hoffmonster  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:03:06am

The personal rancor reflected in that remark I don’t intend to dignify with comment. But I would like to address this idiots general attitude of hopeless negativism. Consider the lillies of the goddammed field. Or hell, take a look at Obama here as your paradigm of hope.

man I just love pulling that quote out every not and again!

Hoffmonster

89 bosforus  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:03:12am

On the bright side - the comments are very reassuring.

90 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:03:31am

OR

They won't pull it. All those comments (negative doesn't matter) are actually indicative of success, according to Pritchard. She wants eyeballs more than sense.

91 IPLaw  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:03:38am

Yet another paternalistic commie who thinks that America is the only source of evil in the universe. I mean, the Nazi's had their reasons, you know.

92 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:03:52am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

We he prefer we not "admit it" in such a way? How does admission or denial change the fact that ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force. I for one am glad we "admit it", and in doing so can remain free, and free others, rather than to "deny it" and be ruled by an iron fist.

93 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:03:59am

re: #75 the jinxmedic

We're proud of you.

94 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:03am

Asshole. Of the highest order of assholes.

95 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:07am

re: #21 the jinxmedic

And a BIG Thank You for your continued service.

96 Teacake!  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:09am

Of course it would be a better world if the only weapons available were boulders, spears and men on horses.

97 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:11am

Does the Globe have a picture of this guy? I picture puffy, still coddled even though middle aged Mama's boy or faux "deep" look with John Lennon glasses.

98 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:18am

re: #59 Creeping Eruption

They would stand there and take it and conduct themselves in a manner fitting a member of the armed services.

I'd like Stevie to say it to a Ranger outside a bar in Fayetteville one night. I think he'd be cordially invited around to the alley behind the bar, to repeat his statement.

99 Dom  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:20am

I didn't read this the same way. From halfway down the article he rails against profiteering from the implicit position that this is widespread and reflects widely on the US, and this is the part that seems too simplistic and cutesy to trust, knocking the institution not so as to better it but so as to distract from the larger argument. The quoted part, however, about how the existence of an army testifies to enduring tragedies of the human condition, to be regretted rather than celebrated, but morally supported so long as they do no wrong... I can agree with that. It didn't strike me as necessarily partisan comment.

100 Tigger2005  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:33am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

I agree completely.

101 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:04:51am

re: #98 Occasional Reader

I'd like Stevie to say it to a Ranger outside a bar in Fayetteville one night. I think he'd be cordially invited around to the alley behind the bar, to repeat his statement.

In that case . . . :)

102 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:05:08am
103 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:05:09am

The last sentence in this jerk's "essay" explains it all:

It's about the childish desire to feel morally exempt from the violence carried out in our names.

Yes, that's exactly it. He is prepared to live in a country blessed with freedom but he still wants to feel morally superior to those who won & protect that freedom.

104 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:05:17am

re: #99 Dom

I didn't read this the same way. From halfway down the article he rails against profiteering from the implicit position that this is widespread and reflects widely on the US, and this is the part that seems too simplistic and cutesy to trust, knocking the institution not so as to better it but so as to distract from the larger argument. The quoted part, however, about how the existence of an army testifies to enduring tragedies of the human condition, to be regretted rather than celebrated, but morally supported so long as they do no wrong... I can agree with that. It didn't strike me as necessarily partisan comment.

I'm sure "Do no wrong" means killing civilians which is going to happen in any war. The whole point of war is kill people and break things.

105 gunther5612  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:05:27am

To all the men and women who have bravely served in our military I say "Thank you for your service."

To the newspaper writer guy I say "Steve Who?...Boston What?"

106 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:05:38am

re: #63 MandyManners

That's why I say he's a Marxist.

Which means that he's one of the self-appointed herders of humans.

Which is to say that he an obstacle to real peace.

107 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:05:41am

re: #63 MandyManners

re: #29 Spenser (with an S)

Uhmm.... Duh?

That's why I say he's a Marxist.

Yep. Here's where my Reformed theology kicks in. Man is not born good and then is ruined by the world. Man is born selfish, cowardly and mean. The key is to use free will combined with grace to fight against that every day as we try to climb the ladder. This creature obviously never started this fight.

108 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:06:11am

Why is it that these people who don't have the balls to put their lives on the line for a cause that is bigger than themselves resent the people who do?

109 vxbush  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:06:26am

re: #107 Spenser (with an S)

Yep. Here's where my Reformed theology kicks in. Man is not born good and then is ruined by the world. Man is born selfish, cowardly and mean. The key is to use free will combined with grace to fight against that every day as we try to climb the ladder. This creature obviously never started this fight.

Bravo. Truer words I have rarely seen.

110 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:06:50am

Don't have time to read the other comments, but last week, the Globe published an op-ed piece (of sh*t) saying we shouldn't even have an embargo with Iran. No where did it say WHY we want one.
And of course, they ignored my letter to the editor (and probably others) who explained their errors.
After this, it is time for me to tell them where they can stick their paper. I only get the Sunday one, but I've been getting annoyed with them a LONG time.

111 jaunte  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:06:51am

Steve Almond locks his door at night. He probably keeps an eye on his wallet, and doesn't lend his car to strangers who need a ride.
It's unfortunate that Steve Almond is so ruled by fear and aggression.

112 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:06:52am

re: #90 godfrey

OR

They won't pull it. All those comments (negative doesn't matter) are actually indicative of success, according to Pritchard. She wants eyeballs more than sense.

She'll get eyeballs, and eventually, subscription cancellations.


I mean, if the newspaper I subscribed to one day started promoting Nazism on its editorial page, that would certainly attract my attention, but not in the way the paper's management would probably like.

113 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:00am

re: #108 Ford_Prefect

Why is it that these people who don't have the balls to put their lives on the line for a cause that is bigger than themselves resent the people who do?

Because they don't have the balls to put their lives on the line for a cause bigger than themselves.

114 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:28am
115 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:34am

re: #108 Ford_Prefect

Why is it that these people who don't have the balls to put their lives on the line for a cause that is bigger than themselves resent the people who do?

They get a horrible sense of inferiority. Our soldiers represent the ultimate in noble, and that offends leftists to the nth-degree.

116 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:45am

re: #59 Creeping Eruption

But thats the thing. They would stand there and take it and conduct themselves in a manner fitting a member of the armed services. They wouldn't lower themselves to his level.

I'm not a member of the armed services so I would... let's not go there.

117 DisturbedEma  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:46am

re: #11 MandyManners

He's gotta' be a Marxist to believe in the ability of human beings to become perfect, that war will one day fade away.

Has he EVER read Hobbes?

118 StinkHammer  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:49am

re: #39 Jewels (AKA Julian)

I rather hope there isn't perfection anywhere much like I hope the World isn't true fair. Because if it was fair, then all the nasty things that happen to us is because we deserve it. I therefore take great comfort in the randomness, hostility, and unfairness in the world

One of my favorite movie lines:

"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed -- but they produced Michaelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock." - Orson Welles, The Third Man

119 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:07:58am

Formulaic:

Social studies (minus) history (yields) Steve Almond

120 CapeCoddah  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:08:12am

Typical Boston Globe. They are going under, they cannot give away subscriptions anymore. When they call me with a "great deal", I just laugh and hang up.
Good morning lizards, hope everyone is hale and hearty!

121 Racer X  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:08:32am

re: #104 EIDE_Interface

The whole point of war is kill people and break things.


No. It is not.

Has anyone suggested you seek medical / psychiatric help?

122 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:08:52am

re: #64 The Other Les

He's gone into full blown narcissism.

They're coming out of the woodwork now that one of their own is front and center.

BHO, I'M TALKING ABOUT *YOU*.

123 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:08:58am

"i have an UGLY confession to make: i don't support the troops.'

this assh*le has obviously never read any history or looked around the world at what is going on. what a naive fool.
he has no idea why is can sit in a nice office in a modern city and spew such stupidity, unmolested by a conquering horde.

124 David Simon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:09:01am

Here we go again:

The problem with the knee-jerk militarism of the past several years is that it has led to an absence of financial and moral oversight that is fundamentally undemocratic. Our troops have become human shields for war criminals and profiteers.

Consider the $1.39 billion contract awarded in 2003 to a subsidiary of Halliburton. The reconstruction project was secretly bid - to one company. There was much tough talk in Congress about preventing such sweetheart deals. But five years later, the US government continues to pay vast sums of our money to firms with ties to the administration.

You might want to check a few facts before you shit out your missives, Mr. Almond. Halliburton was awarded no bid contracts for work in Bosnia and Kosovo under the Clinton administration. And they weren't "sweetheart" deals. Halliburton is simply the best company in the world at what they do.

125 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #121 Racer X

No. It is not.

Has anyone suggested you seek medical / psychiatric help?

Are you suggesting Rush Limbaugh needs it? I'm just quoting him.

126 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #121 Racer X

No. It is not.

Has anyone suggested you seek medical / psychiatric help?

Not the point of war no, merely the best method by which they are won.

127 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:00am

re: #61 Scorch

I wonder if Steve feels the same about those who are firefighters, law enforcement and such. Obviously anyone who is willing to sacrifice their life for others is offensive to him.

And to think he invokes Christianity, whose founder made the ultimate sacrifice. Or maybe he subscribes to some new-age Christianity lite in which sacrifice is unnecessary and we're all just striving to be Lightworkers or something.

128 marinevet  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:11am

"Three hundred million Americans are being protected by 1.2 million men and women who have a sense of patriotism".

Army General Richard Cody

129 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:16am

re: #69 Teacake!

Guess this guy has never brushed up on world history. Every society, kingdom, nation has either had a military to defend itself from invaders or had allies to help them if they in the modern world, don't have a military of their own. Its part of the human story. Even our bodies have a military defense system to fight off deadly invaders that could kill us.

He's a Marxist. He and his fellow travelers realize that we've always had armed conflict but it's gonna' stop once the state withers away.

130 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

I'd re-post last night's song, in that it has a few lines that might apply to this clown, but that seems like overkill.

My thanks to everyone who expressed their pleasure.

Didn't find it 'til late last night...both my husband and I applaud you!

131 opnion  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:24am

This is the progressive mindset,we need a military because"our species is still ruled by fear and agression."
they are always listening to their"Better Angels" & talking about human perfectability. This is the kind of crap that is cocktail conversation among the Obamas & their friends.
If it were not for the military this cretin would probably be scheduled for a beheading.

132 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:26am

We used to live in the Boston area and have never been surrounded by so much liberal blather. It is such a part of the culture there that I don't see how it can ever be undone. There were alot of nice people too but they were outnumbered by the smug, morally superior, hypocrites that thrive there. The Globe is just playing to their audience.

133 Rednek  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:31am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

Welcome to Planet Earth!

134 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:40am

re: #126 rhino2

Not the point of war no, merely the best method by which they are won.

The goal of war is to win. The tactic is to kill people and break things until victory is achieved.

135 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:41am

I have sadly concluded that not all humans are cut out to be citizens. Some are made for serfdom. This guy proves my point.

136 gunther5612  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:46am

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

And community organizers?

Heh.

Maybe we could send could an army of community organizers into enemy territory, but that would probably be considered a war crime.

137 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:50am

re: #107 Spenser (with an S)

Yep. Here's where my Reformed theology kicks in. Man is not born good and then is ruined by the world. Man is born selfish, cowardly and mean. The key is to use free will combined with grace to fight against that every day as we try to climb the ladder. This creature obviously never started this fight.

He has no understanding of what it means to have a servant's heart.

138 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:54am
139 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:56am

re: #109 vxbush

re: #107 Spenser (with an S)

Yep. Here's where my Reformed theology kicks in. Man is not born good and then is ruined by the world. Man is born selfish, cowardly and mean. The key is to use free will combined with grace to fight against that every day as we try to climb the ladder. This creature obviously never started this fight.

Bravo. Truer words I have rarely seen.

Thanks, I'll tell my Mom you said so. I was taught well.

140 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:10:57am

re: #125 EIDE_Interface

Are you suggesting Rush Limbaugh needs it? I'm just quoting him.

Rush's quote is more accurately "The job of the military is to kill people and break things". Not that that is the only point of war. The point of the war in Iraq was to liberate a nation and thusly enhance the security of our own nation.

141 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:11:05am

Almond needs some special one-on-one time with R. Lee Ermey.

142 Rancher  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:11:15am
It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression

Gee. Maybe that will change.

/How long is an eon?

143 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:11:22am

re: #91 IPLaw

Yet another paternalistic commie who thinks that America is the only source of evil in the universe. I mean, the Nazi's had their reasons, you know.

Really? The last time someone in a concentration camp asked why the response was, "there is no why."

144 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:11:39am
When somebody tells me they serve in the military, my first impulse isn’t to say, “Thank you for your service!”

Mine isn't, either. It's to say, "thank you for defending our country".

145 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:11:40am

re: #50 redheadredstate

I don't know whether to think this is a good thing that these wacko's are finally showing their true colors or to be alarmed that they feel that they don't need to hide it anymore. This either means they are desperate or that they think they are going to win in a landslide. Please be the former and not the latter.

I think it means they want to be "hip" by being "different like everyone else"

146 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:11:47am

re: #104 EIDE_Interface

I'm sure "Do no wrong" means killing civilians which is going to happen in any war. The whole point of war is kill people and break things.

I disagree. The point of war is either to gain dominance over another or avoid having someone gain dominance over you, depending on which side you are on.

147 mikalm  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:12:05am

Here's this puke's Web site. Surprise: he's another navel-gazing, snark-addicted auteur.

148 gunther5612  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:12:09am

Sorry about the typo. It should read "Maybe we could send an army of community organizers..."

149 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:12:21am

re: #90 godfrey

OR

They won't pull it. All those comments (negative doesn't matter) are actually indicative of success, according to Pritchard. She wants eyeballs more than sense.

Revenue!

150 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:12:48am

re: #121 Racer X

Beg to differ. That is the raw, undiluted objective of war. Like it or not, that's how victory is achieved in battle. That is how wars are won. It's a harsh reality, but it is fact.

151 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:12:49am

re: #146 Ford_Prefect

I disagree. The point of war is either to gain dominance over another or avoid having someone gain dominance over you, depending on which side you are on.

Yeah, the military is a tactical tool for achieving a political goal. Read Clausewitz.

152 jamsler  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:12:50am

"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

Idiot. Fear and aggression are necessary traits that all animals share, that go back at least a billion years. And they in part, define us as a species. Balancing these traits with our noble qualities is what defines our humanity. To deny it is to deny reality.

It's the basic grasp of reality that these idiots lack. They are the Darwinian ejecta of the human race, their silly opinions superficial. Like nail-polish on the pinkie toe of a hedonistic society.

153 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:13:00am

re: #124 David Simon

Here we go again:

You might want to check a few facts before you shit out your missives, Mr. Almond. Halliburton was awarded no bid contracts for work in Bosnia and Kosovo under the Clinton administration. And they weren't "sweetheart" deals. Halliburton is simply the best company in the world at what they do.

Al Gore praised them effusively as a model contractor during the Clinton years.

154 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:01am

re: #147 mikalm

Here's this puke's Web site. Surprise: he's another navel-gazing, snark-addicted auteur.

Good grief! He's just another infantile idiot...

155 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:01am

re: #104 EIDE_Interface

The whole point of war is kill people and break things.

No, the point of war is to break the enemy's will to fight. Killing people and breaking things is the usual methodology by which this is done. Key distinction.

"Kill people and break things" is not the raison d'etre of our armed forces, but rather their core competency. Which is as it should be; if it can't do that, it's not a military.

156 Know Your Enemy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:08am

What a beautiful dream, Stevie. I, however, prefer to base my ideology on reality.

157 Victrola  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:09am

re: #94 EIDE_Interface

Order of the Asshole with Oak Leaf Cluster and Cubic Zirconia

158 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:15am
159 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:18am
160 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #152 jamsler

"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

Idiot. Fear and aggression are necessary traits that all animals share, that go back at least a billion years. And they in part, define us as a species. Balancing these traits with our noble qualities is what defines our humanity. To deny it is to deny reality.

It's the basic grasp of reality that these idiots lack. They are the Darwinian ejecta of the human race, their silly opinions superficial. Like nail-polish on the pinkie toe of a hedonistic society.

It's really sad that the Daily Kos crowd is so filled with "Fear and aggression", they make me sad to be a part of humanity. Interesting how the puke singles out our military, but exempts the Kos kidz.

161 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:34am

re: #99 Dom

I didn't read this the same way. From halfway down the article he rails against profiteering from the implicit position that this is widespread and reflects widely on the US, and this is the part that seems too simplistic and cutesy to trust, knocking the institution not so as to better it but so as to distract from the larger argument. The quoted part, however, about how the existence of an army testifies to enduring tragedies of the human condition, to be regretted rather than celebrated, but morally supported so long as they do no wrong... I can agree with that. It didn't strike me as necessarily partisan comment.

Who the hell made bucks off of Saddam? Who is making them off of ShortShit? The same countries.

162 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:14:39am

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

I'd re-post last night's song, in that it has a few lines that might apply to this clown, but that seems like overkill.

My thanks to everyone who expressed their pleasure.

Post it again - I missed it and am too lazy to go look for it.

163 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:15:24am

re: #106 The Other Les

Which means that he's one of the self-appointed herders of humans.

Which is to say that he an obstacle to real peace.

In Pol Pot's time, he'd be one of the first shot. He's an "intellectual".

164 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:15:30am
165 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:15:43am

re: #140 rhino2

Rush's quote is more accurately "The job of the military is to kill people and break things".

And I don't even agree with that quote. It's what they need to be ABLE to do, but it's not their core job. If they never have to fight, because no enemy raises his hand against us, they're doing their job.

166 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:15:52am

re: #150 Cartman

Beg to differ. That is the raw, undiluted objective of war. Like it or not, that's how victory is achieved in battle. That is how wars are won. It's a harsh reality, but it is fact.

I believe most people's problem with the statement is the wording. The 'point' of war, is not to kill people and break things. It is the objective of the military to do that in a way which assures victory, but wars are not started because the military and its leaders were bored and just wanted to do some killin and breakin. No one is arguing that is how you win a war, we are arguing that is not the expressed 'point' of a war.

167 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:01am

re: #147 mikalm

Here's this puke's Web site. Surprise: he's another navel-gazing, snark-addicted auteur.

Oh, okay it was my second guess-faux deep look with John Lennon glasses.

Boy is his website annoying.

168 formercorpsman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:14am

re: #121 Racer X


Actually, I will be on the level with you.

During basic training, our chief made no bones about the ultimate job of the Navy was to kill shit.

War is not pretty, it never has been, it never will be.

Realizing life is like anything broken down to a molecular level, even bacteria try to kill each other off in an effort to dominate.

One major difference as I see it with us, is we realize our security, our safety, relies upon our steadfast ability to kill off whatever challenges our status quo.

169 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:35am
Please use the Forum to express your disappointment in any of the following bullies (assuming you can distinguish them from one another): Fox News Patriots, Bush and friends, corporate America, the radical religous right.

So young Steve hates FOX, republicans, anybody gainfully employed and church goers.

170 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:35am

re: #151 EIDE_Interface

Yeah, the military is a tactical tool for achieving a political goal. Read Clausewitz.

I agree on that.

171 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #107 Spenser (with an S)

Yep. Here's where my Reformed theology kicks in. Man is not born good and then is ruined by the world. Man is born selfish, cowardly and mean. The key is to use free will combined with grace to fight against that every day as we try to climb the ladder. This creature obviously never started this fight.

I think we're born both good and bad. The key is which path we choose.

172 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:52am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

#6 at the top of last night's Palin thread.

Thanks...I'm goin' down now.
;-)

173 HugoChavez  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:55am

Like I've always said.....I love nuts, especially almonds.

174 Maximu§  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:16:57am

My first impulse is to say, “I’m sorry GLAD to hear that.” Because I am. I’m sorry HAPPY to know that the person I’m talking to might someday be maimed or killed on the job, or might someday kill someone else. Or refuel a plane that drops bombs on buildings.

There you go Steve Almond, just correcting your statement to reflect whats really on your mind.....BTW: as an ex-soldier and with my oldest boy in Army bootcamp, we don't want your support, but don't make the mistake of expressing your views to me face-to-face.

175 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:05am

re: #166 rhino2

I believe most people's problem with the statement is the wording. The 'point' of war, is not to kill people and break things. It is the objective of the military to do that in a way which assures victory, but wars are not started because the military and its leaders were bored and just wanted to do some killin and breakin. No one is arguing that is how you win a war, we are arguing that is not the expressed 'point' of a war.

That's the goal of the American military. Obviously there are other militaries out there that are not honorable.

176 obageegee  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:10am

"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

Duh! Like we have been for the last 10,000 years and will continue to do so for the next 10,000. It's in the bi-pedal hominid's DNA.

177 big steve  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:13am

irony = his ability to safely say what he thinks defended by those he feels sorry for.

178 samsgran1948  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:29am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

This is the mindset that is going to get us all killed. They have internalized decades of psychobabble and turned the end result into a "virtue".

The sad thing is, I know people who agree with Almond's statement 100%. John Lennon's Imagine has become their personal mantra. One of them said to me in all seriousness that she could not possibly vote for McCain because he'd served in the military, and former military men always see war as the answer to every problem.

I am truly afraid of what will happen if Obama wins the election.

179 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:34am

re: #166 rhino2

I guess this discussion is above my pay grade. Oh, wait...I don't have one.

180 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:54am

re: #165 Occasional Reader

And I don't even agree with that quote. It's what they need to be ABLE to do, but it's not their core job. If they never have to fight, because no enemy raises his hand against us, they're doing their job.

I agree, I would have to listen to Rush again to be sure of the context, but I believe his context was referring to when the military is being employed in a combat situation/war, and not just overall.

181 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:17:56am

I guess it is time for the troops to stop supporting arrogant self-righteous assholes like the writer of this screed.

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:08am

Oh lord, kum ba yah.

DUMBASS!

183 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:19am

re: #170 Occasional Reader

I agree on that.

Of course, looting and raping can be a side-effect. That's what the Red Army did in Germany 1945-1946.

184 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #169 experiencedtraveller
Please use the Forum to express your disappointment in any of the following bullies (assuming you can distinguish them from one another): Fox News Patriots, Bush and friends, corporate America, the radical religous right.

So young Steve hates FOX, republicans, anybody gainfully employed and church goers.


I bet this guy has never done a day of real work or service to others in his life. His site is a trench of narcissism.

185 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:29am

Hey all y'all - um, what's wrong with this sentence:

"The problem with the knee-jerk militarism of the past several years is that it has led to an absence of financial and moral oversight that is fundamentally undemocratic."

Well it seems to me that the "financial oversight" is supposed to be conducted by Congress, isn't it? Ya know, the Congress that, for the last two years has been controlled by the Democrats Leftists and has a public approval rating which, I believe, has finally climbed up to 11%?
And as for Moral Oversight - please, get a grip - does "Haditha" ring any bells with you? You know, that incident where Congressman John Fucking Murhta (D L-Pa) tried and convicted a dozen or so U.S. Marines in the court of public opinion, and then when they each got their day in court, they were exonerated?
Please, Mr. Almond, sir, what exactly are YOUR qualifications to make moral judgements of OUR military - the Military that gives it's all so trash like you can spew forth the bile that you do?

186 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:30am

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

I'd re-post last night's song, in that it has a few lines that might apply to this clown, but that seems like overkill.

My thanks to everyone who expressed their pleasure.

I can't give you another + there so, I'll give you one here.

187 StinkHammer  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:38am

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

When did "callow undergraduate" become a lifetime job description?

Nice.

(I'm stealing, BTW.)

188 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:18:49am

Well as someone who is in the Reserves, all I can say is: Fuck You. And that is from the bottom of my heart.

189 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:01am

re: #175 EIDE_Interface

That's the goal of the American military. Obviously there are other militaries out there that are not honorable.

Well clearly, but I thought we were speaking of the American military?

190 Rancher  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:02am

Rush says the ad will air in NM. Dumb. What Rush finds insulting is that he is being linked with McCain.

191 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:03am

re: #180 rhino2

I agree, I would have to listen to Rush again to be sure of the context, but I believe his context was referring to when the military is being employed in a combat situation/war, and not just overall.

Probably a response to some liberal who thinks our military are social workers or something. No, that's the Peace Corps!

192 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:18am

re: #117 DisturbedEma

Has he EVER read Hobbes?

I guarantee.

193 big steve  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:25am

and by the way since Joe Biden thinks paying higher taxes is patriotic.....with what I pay...start chiseling my mug on Mt Rushmore!

194 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:31am
195 Racer X  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:37am

re: #150 Cartman

Beg to differ. That is the raw, undiluted objective of war. Like it or not, that's how victory is achieved in battle. That is how wars are won. It's a harsh reality, but it is fact.

Not the objective; it may be a tactic.

196 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:19:47am
197 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:20:16am

re: #189 rhino2

Well clearly, but I thought we were speaking of the American military?

Just saying that our military is different from others. Because we try to select the higher quality people who won't engage in atrocities and will refuse orders to do so. Our military doesn't "just follow orders" no matter what. We obey the Geneva convention.

198 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:20:31am

re: #176 obageegee

"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

Duh! Like we have been for the last 10,000 years and will continue to do so for the next 10,000. It's in the bi-pedal hominid's DNA.

Yeah but your assuming evolution is true. Nobody around here believes that crap...

/could.not.resist

199 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:20:41am

re: #177 big steve
Hey big steve- good to see you out here again! Some of us were worried about you and the effects of Hurricane Ike!
I guess maybe we are on different schedules now, cause I haven't seen you posting, but are you ok?

200 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:20:47am

re: #195 Racer X

Not the objective; it may be a tactic.

Agreed. Objective was a poor choice of words on my part.

201 Idle Drifter  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:20:51am

I'm confused about many things, mainly though about the Loony Left's idea or belief that WE the first to stand up and defend our country need an enemy to justify our stance towards the world. The problem is Americans don't need to name enemies to justify its policies, our Enemies do the naming for us. They declare us the enemy that needs to be destroyed. They act aggressively toward us not because of our policies but because we are Infidels and Capitalists. We do not lock step with the Socialists and Islamic Fascists of the World so we are to be punished for daring to be individual trying to live our own lives the way WE feel is right. So when I hear people like Steve Almond speak or read what they right I at least respect their honesty about their true feelings. That's as far as my courtesy goes, they really need to flush out their head gear of such BS that Active Military and Veterans are something to fear or pity. WE DO NOT WANT IT. Steve Almond and his ilk can stay in their Ivory Towers. The REAL men and women of America know when it's time to roll up their sleeves and get dirty. I've had my meals bought me by perfect strangers, it's my turn to welcome my brothers and sisters to the table.

202 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:20:57am

re: #53 Irene NYC

When almost 50% of our citizenry, our press and our elected officials do not understand the fundamentals of what America is and why it is what it is, we have almost run off the rails. And our wonderful military can't change that.

And in the case of "the press", make that 90%.

over 50% of the people of this country DO support our wonderful military, our form of government. The press is trying to make news rather than report it.
Our elected officials will, eventually, learn the truth of history. probably not soon enough to save their careers.

Washington sees what is happening on the major coastal cities. they do not see what is happening in the burbs, the or the urbs. There may be 50,000 -100,000 new yorker's at a pink rally in central park but what percentage of the 5 burroughs is that? Not to mention the areas within a 2-3 hour drive of NYC? its a pitance.

The same rally format in a town of 40K in middle America MIGHT draw 20 people.

203 sadhu  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:01am

totally clueless

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #199 realwest

Yeah Big'un. Good to see you made it okay!

205 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:38am

re: #99 Dom

I didn't read this the same way. From halfway down the article he rails against profiteering from the implicit position that this is widespread and reflects widely on the US, and this is the part that seems too simplistic and cutesy to trust, knocking the institution not so as to better it but so as to distract from the larger argument. The quoted part, however, about how the existence of an army testifies to enduring tragedies of the human condition, to be regretted rather than celebrated, but morally supported so long as they do no wrong... I can agree with that. It didn't strike me as necessarily partisan comment.

WOW! STOP THE PRESSES! THE HUMAN CONDITION IS TRAGIC!

And this is something that definitely needs to be heralded from the op-ed page of the Boston Globe since, after all, we can use it as the hook to disparage our military.

If you notice, his rail against a very vague $1.39 billion dollar contract to a subsidiary of Halliburton is just garbage. If memory serves, this contract was awarded outright because they were the only company in the world - except possibly one in France - able to take on the project. Of course, had Mr. Almond been a wee bit more specific and listed the contract I wouldn't have to rely on either my memory or conjectures.

Then there's his claim that:

It remains unthinkable for a politician (or public official of any sort) to say aloud that our troops sometimes commit atrocities, that they are not all worthy of support, that some of them - faced with a terrifying and ethically incoherent mission - are driven to savagery. This grim duty has been left to the soldiers themselves.

Out of over 100,000 US troops in Iraq alone, there have been exactly how many cases of proven rape, outright murder, pillaging, etc. in 5 years?

I could go on and on about this piece, but, in sum, this is nothing but an ad hoc hatchet piece, using innuendo, libel and snideness to disparage our troops and anybody and anything connected to their mission.

Why defend any part of this piece of sh*t?

206 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:39am

re: #196 Creeping Eruption

OT: Mofaz out of Politics

Temporary withdrawal from Politics? Whatever that means?

207 Roentgen  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:40am

re: #80 rawmuse

If I ever see a service man or woman in a restaurant, I summon the waitress and tell them to give me the check for them, and don't tell them. But, the last five or six times I have tried this, the waitress tells me that someone already did.

Rawmuse:
You make us proud. I also make an effort to pick up the check for traveling service men and women at airport eateries. On most occasions these folks are thankful and humble, but decline. I will try your technique of working directly with the wait-staff.
R

208 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:43am

re: #201 Idle Drifter

I'm confused about many things, mainly though about the Loony Left's idea or belief that WE the first to stand up and defend our country need an enemy to justify our stance towards the world. The problem is Americans don't need to name enemies to justify its policies, our Enemies do the naming for us. They declare us the enemy that needs to be destroyed. They act aggressively toward us not because of our policies but because we are Infidels and Capitalists. We do not lock step with the Socialists and Islamic Fascists of the World so we are to be punished for daring to be individual trying to live our own lives the way WE feel is right. So when I hear people like Steve Almond speak or read what they right I at least respect their honesty about their true feelings. That's as far as my courtesy goes, they really need to flush out their head gear of such BS that Active Military and Veterans are something to fear or pity. WE DO NOT WANT IT. Steve Almond and his ilk can stay in their Ivory Towers. The REAL men and women of America know when it's time to roll up their sleeves and get dirty. I've had my meals bought me by perfect strangers, it's my turn to welcome my brothers and sisters to the table.

The left does not believe in the legitimacy of the American government. Naturally they don't support the military. Now if we had a communist revolution, they WOULD def support the new American Red Army whole heart.

209 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:21:56am

re: #127 doppelganglander

And to think he invokes Christianity, whose founder made the ultimate sacrifice. Or maybe he subscribes to some new-age Christianity lite in which sacrifice is unnecessary and we're all just striving to be Lightworkers or something.

Or, maybe he's like that CBC writer Heather Millikin (?) quoted on the DT who says that God allows hatred of certain people and who downs shots of liquor.

210 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:22:08am

re: #197 EIDE_Interface

Just saying that our military is different from others. Because we try to select the higher quality people who won't engage in atrocities and will refuse orders to do so. Our military doesn't "just follow orders" no matter what. We obey the Geneva convention.

Even to the point of our own detriment.

211 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:22:12am

re: #185 realwest

From your Stevie Almond quote:

The problem with the knee-jerk militarism of the past several years is that it has led to an absence of financial and moral oversight

It's funny how people are trying to shoehorn in all their favorite pet grievances into "explaining" this week's Wall Street turmoil. Joe Biden thinks that tax cuts caused the Fannie/Freddie/AIG failures, although he can't explain why. Now, Steve Almond thinks the US Marines caused Sarbanes-Oxley, or something like that.

212 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:22:46am

re: #208 EIDE_Interface

The left does not believe in the legitimacy of the American government. Naturally they don't support the military. Now if we had a communist revolution, they WOULD def support the new American Red Army whole heart.

Methinks they would make it blue.

213 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:03am
214 bald headed geek  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:21am

re: #5 Pickles

Yup, exactly what I was thinking. I actually think higher of him than of most on the left. The rest of his ilk would rather perpetuate the lie that they aren't anti-military.

BHG

215 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:29am

re: #184 livefreeor die
Ha!

re: #169 experiencedtraveller
Please use the Forum to express your disappointment in any of the following bullies (assuming you can distinguish them from one another): Fox News Patriots, Bush and friends, corporate America, the radical religous right.

So young Steve hates FOX, republicans, anybody gainfully employed and church goers.


I bet this guy has never done a day of real work or service to others in his life. His site is a trench of narcissism.


Absolutely spot on post!

216 opnion  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:36am

The sad truth is that J schools have become refuge for math challenged, elitist Lefties.
Of course they hate the military. The are humbled by their courage and sacrafice. I think everyone here is as well. The difference is we admire the troops, we do not resent them.

217 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:38am

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

It all depends whose Oxley is being gored.

Don't start with that bull

218 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #159 taxfreekiller

some one send this freek this link,
he needs a real story

[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

One of the suspects in that bust is Uriel Palacios, the guy who ran from Dallas Police after a traffic stop (DWI) on Labor Day. He then crashed into and killed a newlywed couple.

219 DistantThunder  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:23:51am

LOSERS VS. Workers

Worker: "I'm a police officer working on a joint DEA case..."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "I'm a border patrol agent fighting drug dealers and kidnappers."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "I'm a Blackwater contractor that protects supply convoys bringing in food and medicine to vulnerable villages in the Afghanistan."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "As a fireman I run toward fires and save men, women and children."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "You pretty much disgust me."

Loser: "I'm, sorry to hear that."

220 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:24:00am

I just got this email from Obama, 9yes, Scarlet & I are on his contacts list):

The economy hit a new low this week, and in every part of the country, people like you are feeling it.

The recent financial disasters -- from the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the historic drop in the stock market -- are not just a string of bad luck. They are the result of years of bad decisions made in favor of big corporate special interests instead of America's working families...

The "collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" must have hit Obama particularly hard as they were major contributors to his campaign. But hush, the One has a solution for all this strife:

.

..I'm calling for a $1,000 tax break for middle-class families -- not just because they need help dealing with the rising costs of gas, food, and health care, but also because our economy needs to be reinvigorated from the bottom up, not the top down.

I'm proposing a second stimulus package to save over one million jobs and provide immediate relief to struggling families.

The problem is the US cannot afford either tax cuts nor a major new spending program, and certainly not both. The global credit crisis just removed those options from the next administration, whoever wins the election. The only way Obama can even attempt such a program is to start printing more money and invite rapid inflation.

221 so.cal.swede  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:24:27am
It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is how human beings operate. There is no utopia.

222 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #147 mikalm

Here's this puke's Web site. Surprise: he's another navel-gazing, snark-addicted auteur.

Diagnosis confirmed: narcissist.

223 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:24:45am

re: #132 livefreeor die

We used to live in the Boston area and have never been surrounded by so much liberal blather. It is such a part of the culture there that I don't see how it can ever be undone. There were alot of nice people too but they were outnumbered by the smug, morally superior, hypocrites that thrive there. The Globe is just playing to their audience.

This supports my theory that the modern left are descendants of the Puritans. You can trace a long line of people who presumed to tell everyone else how to live from Plymouth Rock, through Harvard University, to Bronson Alcott's commune, by way of the abolitionists (a good thing, of course) right to today's nosy leftists who want to ban smoking and transfats and tag at recess. Even when an idea might actually be good, they manage to present it in a smug, schoolmarmish way.

224 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:25:02am

re: #220 Kenneth

Obama will pander to anything and anyone to win this election. McCain should point out this reckless pandering.

225 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:25:26am

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

It all depends whose Oxley is being gored.

If you think it's someone else's, the yoke's on you.

226 Dom  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:25:35am

re: #161 MandyManners

Who the hell made bucks off of Saddam? Who is making them off of ShortShit? The same countries.

Hiya!

Sure, if I understood right (ShortShit=Iran?). But I just do agree with the humanitarian angle in the first half of his article, reflecting on the horror of war and unimpressed with blind patriotism over enforcing ethics. I would say that is the more philosophical part of the article. Further down he starts pointing fingers without any serious backup, and turns out not to be going very deeply into the subject, but as a philosophical premise I can easily agree with what he starts out saying, which is the part Charles quoted.

227 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:25:56am

"Moral oversight"? As if that guy knows anything about morals.

228 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:25:59am

re: #223 doppelganglander

This supports my theory that the modern left are descendants of the Puritans. You can trace a long line of people who presumed to tell everyone else how to live from Plymouth Rock, through Harvard University, to Bronson Alcott's commune, by way of the abolitionists (a good thing, of course) right to today's nosy leftists who want to ban smoking and transfats and tag at recess. Even when an idea might actually be good, they manage to present it in a smug, schoolmarmish way.

I think the Puritans would have been patriots. Also a lot of German and Irish immigrants to Boston area the last 150 years mixing in with the original Puritan stock.

229 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:26:18am

re: #227 Ward Cleaver

"Moral oversight"? As if that guy knows anything about morals.

Only leftists have "Moral authority".

230 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:26:31am

re: #220 Kenneth

The only way Obama can even attempt such a program is to start printing more money and invite rapid inflation.

"Done and done!"

-Obama

231 Cognito  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:26:33am

This column is an odd mix of true and not-so true.

At least the guy is, for one, being honest about his feelings. Nothing makes my skin crawl more than seeing the likes of Barbara Streisand claim to "support the troops." So he does seem to have a better grasp of the phrase.

And yes, of course any decent citizen -- Christian or otherwise -- feels a certain somberness for any soldier, knowing the possibility he or she might be hurt or killed.

And finally, yes, there have been some fantastic screw-ups in Iraq, including the breathtaking mismanagement of funds that he mentions.

But no -- and this is most important -- heroism isn't a childish grasp for exemption from "violence carried out in our names." What utter bunk. Any such violence isn't for the sake of violence, but rather in an effort toward greater peace; just ask the mutilated people of Rwanda whether they might have preferred some "violence" from the United Nations just before the genocide there. And when the violence isn't toward a greater peace, we arrest, imprison, and sometimes kill the people responsible.

So don't talk down to America, Almond. You hold no exclusive right to moral reason.

232 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:26:37am

Steve Almond, you are an utter and complete asshole

233 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:26:42am

re: #223 doppelganglander

This supports my theory that the modern left are descendants of the Puritans. You can trace a long line of people who presumed to tell everyone else how to live from Plymouth Rock, through Harvard University, to Bronson Alcott's commune, by way of the abolitionists (a good thing, of course) right to today's nosy leftists who want to ban smoking and transfats and tag at recess. Even when an idea might actually be good, they manage to present it in a smug, schoolmarmish way.

Born and reared in New England...couldn't agree with you more...

234 Orbit Rain  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:27:08am

pussy's like this guy stand by when genocide is going on...as far I am concerned, he can go fuck himself...I'm not trying to get fucked and stand by and be enslaved by other people willing to kill to get that power...

Hey Steve, you're a fucking moron.

235 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:27:12am

re: #227 Ward Cleaver

"Moral oversight"? As if that guy knows anything about morals.

Are you kidding? He's an arbiter of Christian morality. He said so. Didn't you read the column?

236 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:27:23am

re: #220 Kenneth

The only way Obama can even attempt such a program is to start printing more money

And don't you doubt for one miunte that this will be considered an option for an 0bama administration.

237 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:27:28am

re: #226 Dom

Hiya!

Sure, if I understood right (ShortShit=Iran?). But I just do agree with the humanitarian angle in the first half of his article, reflecting on the horror of war and unimpressed with blind patriotism over enforcing ethics.

What ethics aren't being enforced, pray tell?

238 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:27:46am

re: #202 Eowyn2

Washington sees what is happening on the major coastal cities. they do not see what is happening in the burbs, the or the urbs. There may be 50,000 -100,000 new yorker's at a pink rally in central park but what percentage of the 5 burroughs is that? Not to mention the areas within a 2-3 hour drive of NYC? its a pitance.

The same rally format in a town of 40K in middle America MIGHT draw 20 people.


Absolutely correct. Great post.

239 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:27:59am

Metro State College is investigating a professor who asked students to write an essay critical of Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin. One student said the instructor singled out Republican students in the class and allowed others to ridicule them.

[Link: cbs4denver.com...]

And you wonder were the Steve Almonds of this world come from?

240 formercorpsman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:07am

re: #231 Cognito

Good post.

241 deanyc  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:18am

Steve Almond writes the following:

And here it's worth making a point often overlooked. Anyone who pays taxes in this country "supports the troops." We're the ones who subsidize their training and equipment and medical care and education.

What is so striking about the sentence above to me? Of all the interviews done with Osama bin Laden prior to 9-11, the one I recall most was in a tent with an ABC reporter in which the turban-headed pig uttered almost the same exact words and rationale as Almond.

It's obvious that Almond is a nut.

242 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:19am

re: #236 experiencedtraveller

Welcome back Jimmy Carter. On steroids. 10-15% unemployment, 20% inflation, degraded military, $1 trillion deficits, economic collapse, depression. That's what's in store the next 4 years.

243 Cognito  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #211 Occasional Reader

From your Stevie Almond quote:

It's funny how people are trying to shoehorn in all their favorite pet grievances into "explaining" this week's Wall Street turmoil. Joe Biden thinks that tax cuts caused the Fannie/Freddie/AIG failures, although he can't explain why. Now, Steve Almond thinks the US Marines caused Sarbanes-Oxley, or something like that.

I think he was talking about financial mismanagement in Iraq.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:38am

Headline News, CNN just spent the last 15 minutes on the OJ trial. Well, must be a slow news day.

Hotel Lobby television. I can not turn it.

245 livefreeor die  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:38am

Apparently, this guy, like a good liberal, only wants his opinions and those of the MSM to be available to us-here's an anti-blog article he wrote last year.

Apparently, blogs aren't up to his journalistic "standards".

246 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:40am

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Uh, thanks. But I just took Mom to get some tests done - no big deal for me!

247 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:28:43am

re: #209 MandyManners

Or, maybe he's like that CBC writer Heather Millikin (?) quoted on the DT who says that God allows hatred of certain people and who downs shots of liquor.

I missed that one. Is she a Muslim?

248 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:10am

re: #228 EIDE_Interface

I think the Puritans would have been patriots. Also a lot of German and Irish immigrants to Boston area the last 150 years mixing in with the original Puritan stock.

Of course they would have been, that was back when honor and loyalty to ones country meant something. That and they would actually hang those convicted of treason, not send them back to hollywood.

249 Rancher  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:22am

Obama is lying to Hispanics.

/Rush

Trying to manipulate. What candidate has so much disrespect for a people that he can lie so blatantly for their votes. Saul Lawinski. Stoking racism. He is a disgrace.

250 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:30am

If I were a woman I would never date this man. He would stand with his arms crossed while you were being mugged, then write a column about it.

251 Cartman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:32am

re: #147 mikalm

Here's this puke's Web site. Surprise: he's another navel-gazing, snark-addicted auteur.

Wow, that's a window into a lost soul.

252 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:48am

Hi real!

Gorgeous day in NYC - and I'm about to go out and enjoy some of it.

Hope you and yours are well.
;)

253 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:49am
"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

We need an army because there are regimes out there that are intent on expanding their own interests and taking what does not belong to them - see Russia's invasion of Georgia as exhibit A. We need a military because there are evil regimes that must be stopped before they do more harm and take from us the rights and everything that we hold dear.

See Iran as an example of a regime using religious fundamentalism to further its goals - and using the military to further their Islamic agenda.

That we still have a military is not because it's in our DNA; we have a military because so many other regimes have interests antithetical to the American experiment. They still do whatever they can to undermine the American experiment.

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:29:52am

re: #246 realwest

Uh, thanks. But I just took Mom to get some tests done - no big deal for me!

I was referring to Big Steve! Glad you're okay too.

255 Hard Right  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:30:01am

re: #13 cybermonk

who is he calling a "chicken hawk?"

as far as most of us are concerned he is a "chicken shit"

Projecting his narcissistic cowardice onto us.

256 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:30:08am

re: #202 Eowyn2

There may be 50,000 -100,000 new yorker's at a pink rally in central park but what percentage of the 5 burroughs is that?

In fact, many of those areas support conservative values, exemplified by J. Edgar Hoover and Condi Rice. They're known as the Edgar/Rice Burroughs.

257 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:30:22am

re: #249 Rancher

Obama is the worst panderer in American history. Panders on class, race. Missing anything?

258 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:30:24am

re: #205 Irene NYC


there have been exactly how many cases of proven rape, outright murder, pillaging, etc. in 5 years?

There was a case in which soldiers from Ft. Campbell are now serving long sentences.

259 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:30:58am

At least the guy is honest. I wish more lefties were that upfront. Just think if Obama was that upfront about his true belief. He wouldn't have a prayer of being elected.

260 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Headline News, CNN just spent the last 15 minutes on the OJ trial. Well, must be a slow news day.

Hotel Lobby television. I can not turn it.

To them, that's news.

261 Cognito  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

In fact, many of those areas support conservative values, exemplified by J. Edgar Hoover and Condi Rice. They're known as the Edgar/Rice Burroughs.

groan...

262 Catttt  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:12am

I remember people like this guy from when I was in ROTC. Dirty looks, muttering under breath, negative vibrations. I ignored them, but I know some of the guys got really ticked off about this. Never mind that some of the finest people I've ever known were the guys I met in ROTC.

These troop haters consider themselves better than the troops and have all kinds of reasons for looking down on them that have absolutely nothing to do with war.

263 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:35am

re: #235 Occasional Reader

Are you kidding? He's an arbiter of Christian morality. He said so. Didn't you read the column?

I have GOT to get a new

Jesus is coming and BOY IS HE PISSED

bumpersticker, just to keep up with the sudden surge of "spirituality" in this country, specifically the left that worries about blowing up terrorists but applauds abortion of any sort at any time.

264 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:38am

re: #243 Cognito

I think he was talking about financial mismanagement in Iraq.

Yep, my mistake.

265 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:39am

re: #205 Irene NYC
Hey, hi Irene! "Why defend any part of this piece of sh*t?" Let's see.............well there's, no, not that.
Or maybe............no absolutely not that.
Yup, you're correct, no reason to defend this piece of shit! (sorry, I hate using * when the word works so much better without them!).

266 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:42am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

In fact, many of those areas support conservative values, exemplified by J. Edgar Hoover and Condi Rice. They're known as the Edgar/Rice Burroughs.

Groan.

267 pegcity  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:45am

what a douche

268 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:31:58am

re: #258 MandyManners

There was a case in which soldiers from Ft. Campbell are now serving long sentences.

One case, eh? In a population of between 100,000 and 150,000?

I stand corrected. Not.
;)

269 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:32:03am

re: #247 doppelganglander

Heather Malik is deranged Canadian moonbat "journalist".

270 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:32:09am
271 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:32:20am

re: #245 livefreeor die

Apparently, this guy, like a good liberal, only wants his opinions and those of the MSM to be available to us-here's an anti-blog article he wrote last year.

Apparently, blogs aren't up to his journalistic "standards".


From your link:

I write an occasional blog about my daughter for a parenting Web site, and I've contributed essays to online venues that include blogs. That said, blogging does have a tendency to elicit the worst in people. How could it not? It's a medium that basically allows everyone to become an instant pundit. Forget research or reasoned analysis or nuance. Forget job qualifications. Heck, forget the byline. In the blog game, it's all about making the sort of witty snap judgments that will draw the most site traffic (read: ad revenue).

He's a father...wouldn't have guessed that about him...

272 Rancher  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:32:28am

re: #255 Hard Right

I think there are a bunch of vets here.

/Reservist but still Marine!

273 StinkHammer  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:32:34am

re: #239 Nevergiveup

Metro State College is investigating a professor who asked students to write an essay critical of Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin. One student said the instructor singled out Republican students in the class and allowed others to ridicule them.

[Link: cbs4denver.com...]

Mike Rosen (local Denver talk radio host) had two of the students on his show this morning.

274 Dom  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:32:40am

re: #205 Irene NYC

His attack didn't seem substantive or well backed up, so I'll point out I disagree, and his humanitarian remarks didn't seems objectionable, so I'll acknowledge I agree. I just found it not among the strongest examples of partisan schadenfreude in the media.

"Why bother defending..." is a fair question, the answer to which is that I think the people you argue with should understand the rationale of the objection and not be too easily permitted to assume that they argue against grotesques. In this case I'm more inclined not to bother attacking, although it may well be worth burying that Halliburton meme as you did.

275 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #226 Dom

Hiya!

Sure, if I understood right (ShortShit=Iran?). But I just do agree with the humanitarian angle in the first half of his article, reflecting on the horror of war and unimpressed with blind patriotism over enforcing ethics. I would say that is the more philosophical part of the article. Further down he starts pointing fingers without any serious backup, and turns out not to be going very deeply into the subject, but as a philosophical premise I can easily agree with what he starts out saying, which is the part Charles quoted.

Yes, war sucks but the alternative sucks even more.

276 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:33:27am

re: #231 Cognito

There ain't nothin' contrary about that one. Excellent.

277 BrianA  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:33:39am

Elitist bullshit.

278 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:33:41am

More proof that Americans respect the military, films like "redacted" and "Stop-Loss" bomb at the box office.

279 mikalm  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:33:47am

re: #219 DistantThunder

LOSERS VS. Workers

Worker: "I'm a police officer working on a joint DEA case..."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "I'm a border patrol agent fighting drug dealers and kidnappers."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "I'm a Blackwater contractor that protects supply convoys bringing in food and medicine to vulnerable villages in the Afghanistan."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "As a fireman I run toward fires and save men, women and children."

Loser: "I'm sorry to hear that."

Worker: "You pretty much disgust me."

Loser: "I'm, sorry to hear that."

Being surrounded by these types here in the SF Bay Area, I've observed that they look down on anyone whose day job doesn't involve:

1) food/beverage service;
2) arts/entertainment (a catch-all that can mean anything from professional scribblers like Almond, to "sex workers"); or
3) something having to do with bicycles.

280 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:33:58am

re: #226 Dom

Oh, and hiya back! I've not seen you around here much lately. How's it going? What do you think of the new Sharia court system over there?

281 DeeMack  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:34:11am

And this moron is from what planet and what race?

The elitist POS! His head is so far up his posterior end the only hope is that he'll give it one final push and it'll pop out his neck again and be able to see again!

Unfortunately, there are many more morons like this one. I remember a leftard that was in a political science class with me just befor 9/11 that even argued with me and (about 3/4 the class) on "why do we even need guns? Guns kill".

Oh...boy...blood pressure's rising again...must breathe.

carry on..talk amongst yourselves.

282 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:34:33am
I can’t see how anyone who calls himself or herself Christian - or human, for that matter - wouldn’t be sorry.

The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

I'm so sorry that you've never grown to understand that the world will never quite fit into an idealistic perfect mold that someone sold you on... I'm so sorry that you haven't the most minimal shred of being able to pull for your own team/tribe/nation/group of people who keep the rest of the big bad world from cutting your throat... I'm so sorry that you've received such a dishonest upbringing/education/whacked out moral compass...
Ok... I'm not really sorry... amused at your stupidity and ignorance well... honestly, yes.
moron...

283 Dom  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:34:46am

re: #237 Irene NYC

What ethics aren't being enforced, pray tell?

I don't know, Irene. I'm not making accusations.

284 Catttt  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:03am

re: #263 OldLineTexan

I have GOT to get a new

Jesus is coming and BOY IS HE PISSED

bumpersticker, just to keep up with the sudden surge of "spirituality" in this country, specifically the left that worries about blowing up terrorists but applauds abortion of any sort at any time.

I suggest the one I have: Are you following Jesus this closely?

It actually keeps people off my bumper and witnesses at the same time.

285 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:04am

re: #281 DeeMack

And this moron is from what planet and what race?

The elitist POS! His head is so far up his posterior end the only hope is that he'll give it one final push and it'll pop out his neck again and be able to see again!

Unfortunately, there are many more morons like this one. I remember a leftard that was in a political science class with me just befor 9/11 that even argued with me and (about 3/4 the class) on "why do we even need guns? Guns kill".

Oh...boy...blood pressure's rising again...must breathe.

carry on..talk amongst yourselves.

Many leftists see them selves as "trans-humanists". Meaning that human principles don't apply to them, as though they are more evolved or some shit like that. It's a mental disorder.

286 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:04am

re: #228 EIDE_Interface

I think the Puritans would have been patriots. Also a lot of German and Irish immigrants to Boston area the last 150 years mixing in with the original Puritan stock.

I'm sure the Puritans would have been patriots, had we been a nation at the time, because they conceived of America as a good place given by God to His people where they could serve him. Of course, they felt that they were the best arbiters of exactly how that should be done. As for the immigrants, I didn't mean to imply at all that it's a racial or ethnic thing; it's just an attitude that seems to have taken root in the area and blossomed from ivory towers everywhere in the country.

The Teaching Company puts out a course by Professor Allan Guelzo called "The American Mind," which is basically a history of American philosophy. I have not completed the course, but the first several lectures give a very good portrait of the early New England thinkers and the institutions they founded (basically most of the Ivy League).

287 opnion  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:08am

McCain/Palin are at an Iowa rally.
He is hammering Obama on Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac. Smart!
Barry really is weakl here & has lots of splanin to do on that cash that he got.
Obama wants to use ridicule on McCain. Turn it back on him, Barry has thin skin. McCain just said ,"Senator Obama does wht his bosses tell him to do"
Yeah Baby!

288 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:14am

re: #234 Orbit Rain

pussy's like this guy stand by when genocide is going on...as far I am concerned, he can go fuck himself...I'm not trying to get fucked and stand by and be enslaved by other people willing to kill to get that power...

Hey Steve, you're a fucking moron.

Yes, it's a versatile word!

289 Know Your Enemy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:22am

re: #98 Occasional Reader

I'd like Stevie to say it to a Ranger outside a bar in Fayetteville one night. I think he'd be cordially invited around to the alley behind the bar, to repeat his statement.

And I'd buy a ticket.

290 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:25am

re: #279 mikalm

Being surrounded by these types here in the SF Bay Area, I've observed that they look down on anyone whose day job doesn't involve:

1) food/beverage service;
2) arts/entertainment (a catch-all that can mean anything from professional scribblers like Almond, to "sex workers"); or
3) something having to do with bicycles.

Don't forget
4) Community organizers

291 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:30am
292 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:30am

Ironically, I don't support the Boston Globe.

293 Steve  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:35:53am

"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

Yes, this is true. But at least your sorry a** is safe and you can write this piece of garbage.

294 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:10am

re: #273 StinkHammer

Mike Rosen (local Denver talk radio host) had two of the students on his show this morning.

What did they say?

295 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:17am

re: #287 opnion

McCain/Palin are at an Iowa rally.
He is hammering Obama on Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac. Smart!
Barry really is weakl here & has lots of splanin to do on that cash that he got.
Obama wants to use ridicule on McCain. Turn it back on him, Barry has thin skin. McCain just said ,"Senator Obama does wht his bosses tell him to do"
Yeah Baby!

Is McCain telling the people how much money Obama got from Fannie/Freddie?

296 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:21am

Dang - I'm so upset that I accidently closed the window and lost my first rant. This is passive aggressive faux concern on the part of Mr. Almond.

My sister in law expressed her strong reservations that we were supporting our chidlrens' consideration of millitary service. I told her that I would much rather see my children die securing the freedom of some soul on the other side of the world than to have it wasted needlessly by some drunk driver on a saturday night.

Anyway the bard said it best (Henry V, Act IV, Scene III):

King Henry V addressing his comrades on the eve of St. Crispin's day prior to a battle with the French

"We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
- - -
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered;
We few, we happy few, we band of brother;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England, now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day."
- - -
Do not pity our troops Mr. Almond. They know full well the dangers they face and they do it bravely.

297 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:30am

re: #245 livefreeor die

Apparently, this guy, like a good liberal, only wants his opinions and those of the MSM to be available to us-here's an anti-blog article he wrote last year.

Apparently, blogs aren't up to his journalistic "standards".

Bookmarked.

298 redheadredstate  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:37am

#271 scottishbuzzsaw

re: #245 livefreeor die

Apparently, this guy, like a good liberal, only wants his opinions and those of the MSM to be available to us-here's an anti-blog article he wrote last year.

Apparently, blogs aren't up to his journalistic "standards".


From your link:

I write an occasional blog about my daughter for a parenting Web site, and I've contributed essays to online venues that include blogs. That said, blogging does have a tendency to elicit the worst in people. How could it not? It's a medium that basically allows everyone to become an instant pundit. Forget research or reasoned analysis or nuance. Forget job qualifications. Heck, forget the byline. In the blog game, it's all about making the sort of witty snap judgments that will draw the most site traffic (read: ad revenue).

He's a father...wouldn't have guessed that about him...

Seems more like a 'mother' to me

299 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:47am

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Why is it leftists are so often in need of ethic cleansing?

They need head-oscopy, a new procedure to get the head out of the ass.

300 DistantThunder  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:50am

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301 bosforus  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:56am

re: #293 Steve

"The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression."

Yes, this is true. But at least your sorry a** is safe and you can write this piece of garbage.

It's as if he's making a realization that most people I know realized in the 7th grade.

302 Orbit Rain  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:57am

re: #250 rawmuse

If I were a woman I would never date this man. He would stand with his arms crossed while you were being mugged, then write a column about it.


...speaking of, I wastalking to a girl yesterday about Obama and his "smooth" manner. She told me how she saw through it too and told me about how Obama made a flirty remark to one of her girlfriends at some meet & greet type gathering...

smoooooth

...and pretty transparent to people who've encountered a lot of smooth-talkers on the south-side.

303 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #211 Occasional Reader
Indeed - look EVERYWHERE except where the blame rightfully starts (at least) the Community Redevelopment Act, by Jimmy Carter, and "updated" by Slick Willie Clinton, so as to make it easier for poor credit risks to sue lenders who refuse to give them mortgage loans, the fat cats at Fannie and other places ripping off their shareholders, etc. etc. etc.; it's SO MUCH EASIER to, as you put it, shoehorn it in with a criticism of our Military.
That way there's even less critical thinking required than was evidently done before he wrote this execrable crap.

304 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:36:59am

re: #247 doppelganglander

I missed that one. Is she a Muslim?

No. She's a Reform Christian.

305 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:37:01am

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

They are so easy to flummox.

If you ever decide to retire to Texas, LMK and I will find you a place near mine.

306 Hard Right  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:37:16am

re: #272 Rancher

I think there are a bunch of vets here.

/Reservist but still Marine!

Moonbat mode/
Baby Killers!

The left often calls us chickenhawks because they are the real cowards and can't face that fact.

307 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:37:32am

re: #296 DaddyG

And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day."

I'll bet Steve Almond is holding his manhood at this very moment.

308 Cognito  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:37:39am

re: #276 Cap'n DOC

There ain't nothin' contrary about that one. Excellent.

Ha -- oh, it's contrary. It's just aimed at Almond.

309 CIA Reject  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #284 Catttt

I suggest the one I have: Are you following Jesus this closely?

It actually keeps people off my bumper and witnesses at the same time.

A friend of mine has a T-shirt that says:

Jesus is coming - EVERYBODY LOOK BUSY!

310 Hard Right  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:38:43am

re: #245 livefreeor die

Apparently, this guy, like a good liberal, only wants his opinions and those of the MSM to be available to us-here's an anti-blog article he wrote last year.

Apparently, blogs aren't up to his journalistic "standards".

Journalistic "standards" is an oxymoron thanks to plain morons like him.

311 runrabbitrun  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:38:54am

re: #115 EIDE_Interface

They get a horrible sense of inferiority. Our soldiers represent the ultimate in noble, and that offends leftists to the nth-degree.

When I taught meditation in NYC, I came up against the concept of pacifism in its broadest sense. Authentic believers would not commit an act of aggression if their parents or children were being threatened with death; otoh, they also believe that their philosophy will protect them from such aggression in their daily lives, "if you don't practice aggression, you won't invite it into your karma". Since they also subscribe to the notion that what expresses on the individual level will never disappear, but will be mirrored on the global level until it fades from the personal, they would rather die than harm another to save themselves or their own..."at least then I (or we) would be reincarnated on a higher level in a better place".

My own spiritual teachers despised such pacifists and called them weak-minded. However, in the case of most of the media hacks and leftists who are protected and enfranchised by the work of the military, my guess is that their pacifism is betrayed as mere hypocrisy when they see the WTC blown up and refuse to condemn THAT aggression, saying that the U.S. got what it deserved. And they'd be the first to run to the side of a gun-wielding soldier or cop to protect their military-sensitive butts from the first aggressor who came within the circle of their karma, or threatened its security.

312 jill e  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:39:04am

Without our brave military, this guy's family tree would have been uprooted a long, long time ago! He wouldn't even exist.

313 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:39:10am

What's up with this? Hippies in Iowa? Just saw a couple get hauled out of a McCain rally

314 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:39:17am

re: #302 Orbit Rain

Hey, you think rock stars score a lot of action, from what I hear, it is nothing compared to politicians.

315 jamsler  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:39:44am

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Because their souls are barren, rocky places where the seeds of ethical behavior can find no purchase.

316 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:39:44am

re: #268 Irene NYC

One case, eh? In a population of between 100,000 and 150,000?

I stand corrected. Not.
;)

I have the link somewhere.

317 Rancher  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:40:03am

re: #287 opnion

McCain just said ,"Senator Obama does wht his bosses tell him to do"
Yeah Baby!

Oh no he didn't!

318 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:40:11am

OOH, McCain's calling out Obama for lack of town hall meetings

319 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:41:06am

I'll bet the Mounds of dead bodies of our allies following a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would give Almond Joy. His moral intelligence is about as evolved as that of a Reeses monkey.

320 jill e  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:41:31am

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Legitimate defense

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor.... The one is intended, the other is not."[65]

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful.... Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.[65]

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life. Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. To this end, those holding legitimate authority have the right to repel by armed force aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their charge.[66]

321 StinkHammer  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:41:39am

re: #294 Nevergiveup

What did they say?

Pretty much what was summed up in the artcile you cited. The girl said she was going to file a formal complaint to the administration. (Good luck, BTW.)

Rosen will have a stream of the show up sometime this afternoon, obtainable via the site I linked.

322 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #285 EIDE_Interface

Many leftists see them selves as "trans-humanists". Meaning that human principles don't apply to them, as though they are more evolved or some shit like that. It's a mental disorder.

It's all that New Age shit that tells them that they are like gods.

323 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:41:46am

re: #287 opnion

McCain/Palin are at an Iowa rally.
He is hammering Obama on Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac. Smart!
Barry really is weakl here & has lots of splanin to do on that cash that he got.
Obama wants to use ridicule on McCain. Turn it back on him, Barry has thin skin. McCain just said ,"Senator Obama does wht his bosses tell him to do"
Yeah Baby!

Did he really say that about Obama?

324 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:41:58am

re: #274 Dom

His attack didn't seem substantive or well backed up, so I'll point out I disagree, and his humanitarian remarks didn't seems objectionable, so I'll acknowledge I agree. I just found it not among the strongest examples of partisan schadenfreude in the media.

"Why bother defending..." is a fair question, the answer to which is that I think the people you argue with should understand the rationale of the objection and not be too easily permitted to assume that they argue against grotesques. In this case I'm more inclined not to bother attacking, although it may well be worth burying that Halliburton meme as you did.

His "humanitarian remarks" were objectionable precisely because they were deliberately used to push his anti-military remarks.

The entire point to this op-ed piece was to make it okay for people to publicly announce their non-support of our military and to make it okay to do so - soften the battlefield sort of thing and allow the floodgates to open.

Your comments seem incredibly naive to me, especially if you think that Almond doesn't understand his opposition.

325 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:42:00am
326 rhino2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:42:02am

re: #318 RememberSekhmet?

OOH, McCain's calling out Obama for lack of town hall meetings

I would pay my entire life's savings (Admittedly....not much) to be able to sit in a room with the both of them with no prepared answers, no foreknowledge of the questions, no teleprompter, and no advisors.

327 midwestgak  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:42:19am

OT LGF got mentioned in the American Thinker yesterday regarding astroturfing:

"On August 30, Little Green Footballs noticed what appeared to be a pro-Palin web site but, in fact, was one clearly designed to turn off her socially conservative supporters"

Kudos

328 callahan23  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:42:34am

The comment on the very same site that ludicrous article is written on says:

If you ever met me, you would ask what I did and I would tell you that I am in the military. And, according to this, you wouldn't thank me (which is just fine - it's a job and I need no thanks) but you would say, "I'm sorry."

You know, I've had that said to me. As a soldier, let me tell you how I feel when I hear it: Offended. Taken aback. Irritated. But mostly, I feel that I'm not richer for having met someone who's automatic response is "I'm sorry." I feel just a little bit pooer for it.

Being a Soldier is my choice. Being paid to wage war was my choice. I made the choice to subject myself to the rigors of war and the potential for death or dismemberment. In fact, when I enlisted, we weren't at war. 9/11 was still a few years out and Bush wasn't in office. But I did so fully expecting that some day, I would be called upon to risk everything.

Apologists for my choice are, in essence, saying that I'm a simpering fool who was forced into this choice I made by some sort of evil entity bent only on exploiting my talents and my abilities. When you say, "I'm sorry," you're insulting me.

I expect this from certain sets of progressive minded people though. They're the same people that attempt to legislate every move the American people make in the name of "their own good". According to these people, they are the only ones who are smart enough to make the right choice for EVERYONE - that the rest of us are ignorant, illiterate boobs who could never weigh a decision from all angles and still choose differently than they themselves might have. In these cases, too, differently, of course, is "WRONG".

So, Stevie, I'm sorry too. I'm sorry that you think I'm an idiot who made the right choice for ME and I'm sorry that you actually received money for this ill-argued opinion of yours to appear in print. What a waste of subscriber's money!
by hellgirl September 18, 11:18 AM

Very strong and decisive message.

The general bias the Boston Globe is obviously exhibiting shows in the cartoons they feature.

/a big hoik and spit

329 Racer X  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:42:43am

re: #313 RememberSekhmet?

What's up with this? Hippies in Iowa? Just saw a couple get hauled out of a McCain rally

Deadheads found a new train to follow?

330 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:42:44am

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Why is it leftists are so often in need of ethic cleansing?

The King of Puns strikes again!

331 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:43:25am
that we need a military


Other then that I disagree with everything he says. He's a punk and I wish Kerry would have lost his primary race in MA.
There is still a Republican challenger to Mssr Kerry in this liberal land.
Meet Jeff Beatty.

332 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:43:30am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian "Hotel Lobby television. I can not turn it."
LOL! While waiting in the reception area with Mom, the TV set was turned to The View - I immediately asked a young "nurse" (? dressed like one, anyway) if we could please change it and she said no, the TV channel can't be changed. So I walked over and changed it to Fox News. Three other folks came over and thanked me; she gave me the evil eye and walked away!

333 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:43:40am

re: #307 Occasional Reader

I'll bet Steve Almond is holding his manhood at this very moment.

And, typing with the other hand.

334 redheadredstate  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:43:43am

re: #319 Occasional Reader

I'll bet the Mounds of dead bodies of our allies following a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would give Almond Joy. His moral intelligence is about as evolved as that of a Reeses monkey.

Almond Joy?

Then that would be a Reese's monkey (I know...groan)

335 Steve  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:43:48am

re: #301 bosforus

It's as if he's making a realization that most people I know realized in the 7th grade.


Yes he is. The funny thing is that he does not see it, even thought it is right in front of his a** eyes.

Oops.

336 Richard Romano  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:44:21am

I wonder if he supports those troops who died for his freedom?

You, Mr. Almond, are a complete jackass...people like you make me realize that our troops are special and deserve our honor and respect. Why? Because a hateful ingrate such as yourself proves that our country is doing just fine.

God bless our troops.

337 docremulac  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:44:36am

Even in "coming clean" I guarantee this guy is lying through his teeth. This guy's into peace like I'm into macrame.

He would support, with foaming at the mouth fervor, any anti-American violence the world could throw at us. These types are typically rabid, bloodthirsty war mongers, they're just rooting for the other side.

Believe me, this guy only wants the American military eliminated. He would be at the front of the crowd cheering nuclear missiles rolling down red square in a fascist military parade and if America were invaded, by ANYBODY, he would be at the enemy front lines asking how he could help.

Peace-lover my ass.

338 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:44:42am

re: #308 Cognito

Huh? Your call. It's good.

339 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:44:45am

re: #304 MandyManners

No. She's a Reform Christian.

No kidding? My late sister-in-law was a Reform minister and I never heard her say it was okay to hate certain people. The things you learn.

340 mikalm  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:44:49am

re: #322 MandyManners

It's all that New Age shit that tells them that they are like gods.

Bingo. Narcissism taken to its logical end. A story as old as Genesis.

341 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:44:54am

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Ooops, my bad.
nevermind!

342 Rancher  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:45:02am

re: #303 realwest

I make $100,000 a year. Proof? Help me Congress, they don't want to give us poor folk a loan!

343 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #146 Ford_Prefect

I disagree. The point of war is either to gain dominance over another or avoid having someone gain dominance over you, depending on which side you are on.

EIDE is right on this one, his quote is exactly what I was taught in my Code of Conduct. We aren't the Salvation Army, we paint orphanages as we can because it is good for troop morale and helps serve the national interest. Some corporate type jackass came up with a Mission Statement about preparing to conduct prompt and sustained combat from the sea. The job is to kill people and break things.

344 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:45:58am

re: #339 doppelganglander

No kidding? My late sister-in-law was a Reform minister and I never heard her say it was okay to hate certain people. The things you learn.

It was discussed a lot in the last hour or so on the DT.

345 jcm  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:46:09am

Don't know if this one has been linked yet.

Saul Alinsky’s son: “Obama learned his lesson well”Says Alinsky’s son L. David Alinsky of his father’s influence at the Dem Convention:

“ALL the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.”


No damn Marxist in the People's House.

346 stashiu  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:46:12am

Almond has no nuts = marzipan frou frou buddy

347 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:46:14am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

In fact, many of those areas support conservative values, exemplified by J. Edgar Hoover and Condi Rice. They're known as the Edgar/Rice Burroughs.

ROFL! But I hadda ding you down for that cause it was so bad it was good! LOL!

348 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:46:44am

re: #334 redheadredstate

Then that would be a Reese's monkey

(er, yeah, that was the point... correct spelling is rhesus)

349 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:46:46am

re: #340 mikalm

Bingo. Narcissism taken to its logical end. A story as old as Genesis.

New Age/theosophy/whatever appeals to the narcissists.

350 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:47:36am

re: #319 Occasional Reader

I'll bet the Mounds of dead bodies of our allies following a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would give Almond Joy. His moral intelligence is about as evolved as that of a Reeses monkey.

Reese's Monkey?

How did that evolve?

/hey! you got chocolate dna in my peanut butter dna!

351 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:47:39am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

In fact, many of those areas support conservative values, exemplified by J. Edgar Hoover and Condi Rice. They're known as the Edgar/Rice Burroughs.

You are on a roll today!

352 sadhu  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #296 DaddyG

(Henry V, Act IV, Scene III):

King Henry V addressing his comrades on the eve of St. Crispin's day prior to a battle with the French


353 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:48:11am

re: #223 doppelganglander

This supports my theory that the modern left are descendants of the Puritans. You can trace a long line of people who presumed to tell everyone else how to live from Plymouth Rock, through Harvard University, to Bronson Alcott's commune, by way of the abolitionists (a good thing, of course) right to today's nosy leftists who want to ban smoking and transfats and tag at recess. Even when an idea might actually be good, they manage to present it in a smug, schoolmarmish way.

My ancestry has a direct line that runs back to the Mayflower and intersects with some hard scrabble, in the trenches revolutionaries that served in the American army under Washington. Of course it was the steerage of the Mayflower and there was that bit about sharing some genetic material with the Hessian who decided that fighting with the Americans under Washington was better than sitting out the war in Lexington (after he got caught in his pajamas on Christmas eve).

Needless to say my family may have lost their New England seaside location but they kept their love of freedom and willingness to sacrifice. Lots of farmers, factory workers and fighters - not a journalist in the whole darn lot.

354 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:48:12am

re: #283 Dom

re: #237 Irene NYC

What ethics aren't being enforced, pray tell?
I don't know, Irene. I'm not making accusations.

Well, what are you writing then? Earlier you said:

But I just do agree with the humanitarian angle in the first half of his article, reflecting on the horror of war and unimpressed with blind patriotism over enforcing ethics.


So you're agreeing with what Almond wrote despite the fact that the examples of enforcing ethics that he lists are spurious?

355 Hanoch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:48:34am

I take no joy in saying this, but it is truly hard to comprehend the depth of the stupidity on the far left. Mr. Almond--what a suitable name--berates those who put their lives at risk because, in the author's vision, we should be living in a utopian world where evil does not exist and killing is unnecessary. Well, Mr. Almond, unfortunately, when you descend from your lofty heights you will see that we don't live in such a world. We live in one where there are evil and brutal savages who celebrate murdering innocent men, women and children. The military that you disdain protects our citizens, even the creeps who don't appreciate their tremendous sacrifices.

356 Celtic Templar  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:48:42am

OT: Coincidence? E-mail hack tracked back to servers in Chicago

The information at the moment is on a server at a Chicago colocation site owned by FDC Servers. Logs are automatically flushed after seven days, so the clock is ticking for law enforcement, who presumably are under intense pressure to protect the privacy of a candidate for the White House. Of course, there's always the possibility that Ctunnel.com was only one of multiple anonymization services the email hackers used to cover their tracks, but there's only one way to find out.

357 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:48:52am

re: #350 OldLineTexan

Reese's Monkey?

How did that evolve?

/hey! you got chocolate dna in my peanut butter dna!

Don't be a Cad! Bury the hatchet, why don't we.

358 Dom  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:49:05am

re: #324 Irene NYC

The entire point to this op-ed piece was to make it okay for people to publicly announce their non-support of our military and to make it okay to do so - soften the battlefield sort of thing and allow the floodgates to open.

That's always the danger, I don't know if it was the point, but I'm not familiar with Almond. I don't think it's naive to assume these pieces aren't a touch contemplative but again, Almond I don't know.

359 Vergeltung  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:49:25am

a "man" wrote that!? this guy must be some seriously feminized metro-sexual. by crikey, what a pie-in-the-sky wussy.

360 redstateredneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:49:35am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

#6 at the top of last night's Palin thread.


BRAVO! ! !

361 Nevergiveup  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:50:01am

re: #321 StinkHammer

Pretty much what was summed up in the artcile you cited. The girl said she was going to file a formal complaint to the administration. (Good luck, BTW.)

Rosen will have a stream of the show up sometime this afternoon, obtainable via the site I linked.

If the kids who were in the class can get someone like Hannity behind them, you would be surprised the pressure that can be put on the School's Administration.

362 loggiedog  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:50:06am

More Bad News for Boston

On the Red Line Subway (T) this morning there appeared paid advertisements for the 2nd annual "Palestinian" Film Festival, commemorating the "Naqba" and talking about the displaced "Palestinians." The ad depicts through sketches a typical Arab village with graffiti on the walls and a guy hanging upside down with his pants pulled down.

The MBTA needs to take this garbage off the walls of its subways. Perhaps there should be one of these [Link: www.hyscience.com...]
pasted over the hanging guy mooning in the photo. That would be a more accurate depiction of the Hamas-loving Pali culture.

363 legalpad  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:50:21am
It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

As opposed to the total denial that there is ever anything to defend against.

364 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:51:00am

re: #316 MandyManners

I have the link somewhere.

Mandy,
I was being rhetorical. I know the military statistics, they're infintesimal compared to the general population.
;)

365 loggiedog  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:51:25am

Correction, that link was defunct:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] (the baby suicide bomber picture)

366 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:51:39am
The fact that we have an army, that we need an army, is inherently tragic. It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

No shit, Sherlock. Our military defends us from those people who haven't yet moved beyond that point.

367 Red_State_Envy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:51:40am

Funny, those are the same conflicted feelings I have whenever a college kid tells me that they’re going into journalism.

368 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:52:04am

re: #357 Occasional Reader

Don't be a Cad! Bury the hatchet, why don't we.

OK, all the other candy puns I know are nasty third-grade sexual innuendo.

/(Reese's Pieces Be Upon You)

369 Steve  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:52:18am

Okay, I rewrote a part of this. Now I feel better and can finish my breakfast.

Well, I have an ugly confession to make: I don’t support idiots with the name 'steve'- at least not unconditionally. When somebody tells me their name is steve, my first impulse isn’t to say, “Nice name, so is mine!”

My first impulse is to say, “An idiot like you needs a new name.” Because you are named 'steve'. I’m sorry to know that the person I’m talking to might someday be maimed or killed on the job, or might someday kill someone else because his name is 'steve'. Or write screeds that reflect on all the good steves of the world.

370 samhein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:52:53am

This idiot is pathetic. I guess he'd rather just invite Islam and the terrorists here and have a war on our own shores.

And while we're at it, let's just forget ALL who Islamic terrorists killed or injured in both twin tower attacks, in various countries, etc., and the sick plans they have for the world (litterally) if allowed to get away with it. Gee, I'm sorry our military is trying to eliminate these "people".

Mr.Almond, what would YOU suggest we do? Talk to them like BHO wants to? Yeah, right. Play right into their dirty, blood stained hands? Invite them here? What? I gather you have less of a problem with the Islamic groups than with our own military? After all, I don't hear you talking about them in this piece and how they kill innocents all the time, including the "honour killings" of their own children.

371 doppelganglander  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:53:40am

re: #353 DaddyG

That's neat. I wish I knew as much about my ancestry. Sounds like you're descended from the right side of the family tree.

372 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:54:05am

re: #358 Dom

That's always the danger, I don't know if it was the point, but I'm not familiar with Almond. I don't think it's naive to assume these pieces aren't a touch contemplative but again, Almond I don't know.

Funny that the "contemplative" side always and only goes in one direction on the op-ed pages of the NYT's companies.

373 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:54:09am

Trying to stream Rush froze me on the thread

374 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #329 Racer X
Hey Racer X - how are you today?
"Deadheads stumbled upon found a new train to follow?"
There, fixed that for you!

375 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:56:37am

re: #243 Cognito

I think he was talking about financial mismanagement in Iraq.

I really appreciate it when writers are specific, so we don't have to do so much guessing.

376 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:56:55am

re: #352 sadhu

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Kenneth Branagh rocks! This is one of my favorite movies - thanks for finding the clip!

377 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:57:03am

re: #104 EIDE_Interface

War is inherently chaotic. It's just impossible to avoid doing things that turn out to be wrong. We kill our own soldiers by accident from time to time. We kill genuine civilians (as opposed to insurgents who wear no uniform and become "civilians" the moment their comrades salvage their weapons) by accident from time to time.

Any sort of combat involving artillery or bombs is going to kill innocent civilians. The enemy practice of using their own families as human shields, holding meetings and assembling arsenals at home, means that the lawful business of killing enemy leadership gets mixed with the tragic side effect of killing their families.

The purpose of war is not to kill people and break things. The purpose is to bend a violent and intransigent enemy to your own will. If what you want from him is legitimate (e.g., get out of Kuwait, lay off on the hijackings and bus and subway bombings), then the use of appropriate force is legitimate too. Blockade, sanctions, and so forth, are not as overtly violent as bombs and tanks, but in their effect on innocent civilians, they are ultimately more cruel. This means that the direct and drastic violence of a shooting war can be morally legitimate because it can be the `least worst' of a list of unhappy choices.

378 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:58:20am

re: #337 docremulac

Spot on post. Thanks.

379 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:58:48am

re: #77 Irene NYC

What the f*ck is wrong with Massachusetts? The American Revolution started there, for God's sake.

And to add insult to injury, it keeps electing narcissistic morons like Kennedy, Kerry and Frank.

It produced asshole merchants and asshole lawyers at just the right time and the right place. After that, it's been dead weight (with the exception of the defense industry and MIT, perhaps).

380 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 9:59:14am

re: #247 doppelganglander

Heather Mallick (to my knowledge) is not Muslim...she's a paid political ultra Leftist blogger (does gigs for the CBC)...I think she'd feel very comfortable blogging for al-Jazeera.

381 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:00:14am

re: #342 Rancher
LOL! "I make $100,000 a year. Proof? Help me Congress, they don't want to give us poor folk a loan!"
It's much worse than that, it's "Help me Congress, they are NOW willing to give us the money, but they expect us poor folks to actually pay it back!" LOL!

382 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:01:29am
383 Guy_Philly  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:02:04am

Steve Almond:

There are evil people in the world. That will never change. We need a military to protect those who cannot protect themselves. There will always be wars and rumors of war in this world. Nothing has changed in this world to make that statement false. It's the way it is - be happy and grateful we have the best military!

384 Know Your Enemy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:04:00am

re: #334 redheadredstate

Almond Joy?

Then that would be a Reese's monkey (I know...groan)

Let's pause a moment for the stragglers...

385 realwest  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #357 Occasional Reader
ARRGHH! Your really are on a roll today! LOL! Thanks for those really funny (but still awful) puns and plays on words!

386 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:04:07am

re: #371 doppelganglander

That's neat. I wish I knew as much about my ancestry. Sounds like you're descended from the right side of the family tree.

Far right side... Grandma thought FDR was a socialist and felt Nixon got the shaft until the day she died.

www.usgenweb.org [Link: www.familysearch.org...] (start searching these free sites - you will be amazed at what you can find).

387 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:05:15am

The purpose of war (to compel compliance for political purposes) is not the same as the purpose of the military (to cause damage). The military is a tool, it acts under civilian control, wise civilians understand it and use it appropriately. The poor condition of our other tools has been remarked on before.

388 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:09:15am

The fact that islands of sanity such as LGF and topics such as this one exist should give people great hope for the future of mankind and our country.

We've been facing the worst kind of assault against pride of self and country for decades now, with fraying around the edges, but a strong stable core resolute against the assault. There is hope for all of us.

389 Steve  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:09:28am

The purpose of the military is to fight the war so that civilians do not have to.

390 paint-right  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:12:35am

.

It’s an admission that our species is still ruled by fear and aggression.

Mr. Almond, that is a species-ist remark. How about lions and bears and crocodiles and water buffaloes?

How about mosquitoes fer cryin' out loud?

How about Kudzu?!

/Stop blaming me and my friends for everything!

391 paint-right  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:13:54am

re: #385 realwest

ARRGHH! Your really are on a roll today! LOL! Thanks for those really funny (but still awful) puns and plays on words!

Hi Tootsie!

392 Sunlight  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:15:14am

I'm coming to the idea that people like this who slime the troops and want our country to give itself over to the barbaric way much of the world population deals with each other have (at least) two (dishonorable) goals:

1. By dissing the military, they can skip serving themselves and can make it oh-so-clear to their kids and other young people they know that serving is unacceptable. Then they don't have to deal with the fear of someone they know deploying.

2. By dissing the country, they can rationalize their failure to serve and won't have to deal with the fear of the Blue Star Mothers and Dads.... where is the logic of serving in the military of an evil entity. So they have to keep thinking the U.S. is the evil one or they might have discomfort in persisting in avoiding service.

I've about had it with these people. They will give it all away and think they were noble to do so, but, really, they are cowards.

393 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:16:06am

[Link: graphics.boston.com...]

The (little) man himself...what an artsy photio...

I bet he thinks he's one of the brilliant writers of his generation...what a dream

394 joncelli  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:18:21am

re: #104 EIDE_Interface

Read your Sun-Tzu. If you can win war without violence, or with a judicious application of violence, then that's the best way to do it. The surge in Iraq worked because it combined violence with civil engagement. A military should be able to kill people and break things, and ours does that very, very well; but it is not the point of war, necessarily, and it is not the only thing our military does.

395 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:20:48am

OT but oh so in a similar vein except Obamanites to get more aggressive in peddling their empty shirt messiah:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."


[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Personally I think it's a great idea... nothing like having someone without facts getting confronted with facts via annoyed informed neighbors ala ze sandblaster meets ze soupcracker category... at least his some of his followers might get a wakeup call out of such a course of action... the rest will of course hit the snooze button and chalk up the rest of the world as ignorant mean spirited job holding racists etc...

396 redheadredstate  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:22:13am

re: #348 Occasional Reader

(er, yeah, that was the point... correct spelling is rhesus)


Yep I knew that but Reese's has an apostrophe and is capitalized. Sorry, it's the candy lover in me I guess.

397 Shanimal1918  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:23:02am

I read the Globe because it has a great sports page, and I have an hour trainride each way to work m-f. They usually have @ 3 pages of "election 2008" coverage. At least 75% off the articles are negative McCain/Palin and the other %25 are positive (zer) Obama articles.

Some of my closest family have been reading the Globe every day for decades. They can't stand Bush, and love Obama. Gee, I wonder why? It's easy to see why Mass is so blue, hundreds of thousands have basically been reading the Globe-Democrat hit pieces on anything and everything republican, and believing the lies.

It's nice to see exactly how the Globe-Democrat (as Michael Graham has named them) support the troops.

The worst thing for me concerning the NY Times/Globe-Democrat is that the NY Times corporation owns a large %age of your world champion Boston Red Sox.

398 David Simon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:25:36am

re: #394 joncelli

Read your Sun-Tzu. If you can win war without violence, or with a judicious application of violence, then that's the best way to do it. The surge in Iraq worked because it combined violence with civil engagement. A military should be able to kill people and break things, and ours does that very, very well; but it is not the point of war, necessarily, and it is not the only thing our military does.

I think it's important to distinguish between war and counterinsurgency. The Surge was part of a counterinsurgency strategy, and, as you wrote, combined violence with civil engagement.

399 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:26:03am

Peer further into the mind of this shallow person, the Globe seems to love him:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Vonnegut '08!

400 devil in baggy pants  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:32:39am

Hey, ASSHOLE--


I was a VOLUNTEER!

I thought of nothing but joining the Army and defending my country from the time I was four and joined early at the age of 17... VOLUNTARILY.

I went to basic THREE DAYS after my 18th birthday... VOLUNTARILY.

I jumped out of dozens of perfectly good airplanes, risking my life each time... VOLUNTARILY.

Don't feel sorry for me, fucktard. I went to war and got to do my job TWICE for my country while I was in. Defending your right to spew your bile and bullshit. Making the world safer for your sorry ass and your family.

You're welcome.

Don't you EVER pity me! I did what I was put here for. What have you ever done besides pontificate and whine about things you can't possibly understand... duty, honor, brotherhood, sacrifice, virtue.

401 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:32:42am

I have to admit that I wince every time I hear someone automatically parrot 'Thank you for your service' when I tell them I'm retired Army. I don't want them to feel 'sorry' for me (as this idiot from the Boston Globe feels), but this phrase, however well-intentioned, sounds robotic and makes me wonder if there's some catechism response that I'm missing - quite uncomfortable.

I would rather have someone engage me in normal conversation, asking about details of my experience in the Army and opinions on what's going on now.

I also get irritated when I hear that 'everyone who is in the military is a hero' - trust me, I've served alongside many types of soldiers, some who have gone on to give life and limb while serving. I've also served alongside people who have gone on to become child molesters, thieves and murderers. Calling everyone a 'hero' devalues the term.

I expected that there would be a fatigue factor on the part of the liberal establishment in maintaining any modicum of support or understanding for our military. The sure sign started appearing in what has come out from Hollywood in recent years - 'Stop Loss' was a particularly repugnant film, especially since it portrays a deserting NCO as 'noble'. Other TV and movie offerings have alternately portrayed the military as inherently evil or the lower enlisted types as ill-informed victims of the powers-that-be.

People like Steve Almond have no insight or comprehension of military service, and the typical bemoaning of the necessity for a military is very convenient for a person who enjoys freedoms without risking a thing. He is just the sort to surrender those freedoms when threatened (unless someone else is around to '...kill someone else. Or refuel a plane that drops bombs on buildings.' In other words, a coward whose 'bravery' comes about by writing an editorial in a newspaper after apparently barely tolerating '...the insidious byproduct...' (?) of 9/11 for seven years. Why did he wait so long before boldly giving his opinion?

402 David Simon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:34:47am

re: #399 John Gibbon

Peer further into the mind of this shallow person, the Globe seems to love him:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Vonnegut '08!

I see Stevie boy enjoys a little kink. From your link:

So, to paraphrase Jay Leno talking to Hugh Grant, what exactly were you thinking of when you asked your girlfriend to wax your chest?
SA: Well, to paraphrase Hugh Grant responding to Jay Leno: You'll have to ask my lower body that question. What can I tell you, man? I thought it would be hot. Hot as in "crazed bonobo sex." Not hot as in "third-degree burns on my nipples." But you've read the book. Sex hurts.
403 wrl1984  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:35:34am

I believe Robert F. Kennedy said "When they conduct a war...the do so in your future and really in the name of American people." This quote was given to a Ball State audience while Kennedy was on the Campaign trail. Lefty Dems can learn alot from this statement.

404 DeeMack  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:46:22am

re: #80 rawmuse

If I ever see a service man or woman in a restaurant, I summon the waitress and tell them to give me the check for them, and don't tell them. But, the last five or six times I have tried this, the waitress tells me that someone already did.


Id like to thank people like you who do this.

About 2 years ago someone at the Cheesecake Factory in San Jose CA did this for us and we never new who it was so, Thanks. I can't begin to tell you how much that meant to us.

I've also found small thank you notes tucked in my cars window. So iust know that even though there is a loud, abnoxious minority of "Almonds" out there...the silent and dignified majority of Americans are still RED, WHITE & BLUE!

;-) Hooah!

405 Sunlight  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:47:11am

re: #397 Shanimal1918

Some of my closest family have been reading the Globe every day for decades. They can't stand Bush, and love Obama. Gee, I wonder why? It's easy to see why Mass is so blue, hundreds of thousands have basically been reading the Globe-Democrat hit pieces on anything and everything republican, and believing the lies.

Ditto family and friends of mine who have been reading the LA Times and SF Chronicle every day for decades. They will not read or give credence to any other news source (blogs, etc.).

406 Ezekiel2517  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:48:39am

Go on and take another big ol' bong hit while you think of new ways to cheerlead for the enemies of America, Steve.

407 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:48:59am

re: #401 Dreader1962

As a fellow veteran (still serving) I can empathize with your feelings. I also get uncomfortable when people tell me 'thanks' because I realize that I am just one person of many who have chosen to serve. I only do a small part of the greater whole and feel that I'm the least of those who should be thanked. I like to keep my whole service thing low key, since it does sometimes create a communication barrier. Sadly there is a growing gulf between those who have served or known those who have and those who do not know anybody who have.

re: #400 devil in baggy pants

...Strike Hold! I'm a former "Red Devil" myself! Sicily DZ coming up!

408 Farang Kheemao  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:50:20am

I would love to have this clown come down to Cook's Corner in South Orange County and tell the bikers that hang there that he doesn't support our troops. Oh that would be messy.

409 wiffersnapper  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 10:53:44am

Wow what an idiot

410 devil in baggy pants  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 11:02:00am

re: #407 John Gibbon


...Strike Hold! I'm a former "Red Devil" myself! Sicily DZ coming up!

Hua, my man! God, was Sicily like concrete or what?

411 John Gibbon  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 11:06:51am

re: #410 devil in baggy pants

I always tried to slip away from the Flight Landing Strip there. I know how hard that was since I maintained it with my dinky construction equipment. I was sure to compact it real hard for my fellow paratroopers :) So you can blame me for all of your bruises