Git 'em!

Yeah. Somebody's in big trouble.

I read recently about that "/b/" place. It sounds absolutely miserable. In the vast and often-dirty city that is the Internet, /b/ is the gutter that collects the most toxic run-off.

throw them under the bus!

Is the child (probably under 18) who initiated this subject to prosecution in:

Adult
Juvenile

court?

I'm just assuming he's 16 or 17 years old.

re: #2 Cognito

Yeah. Somebody's in big trouble.

I read recently about that "/b/" place. It sounds absolutely miserable. In the vast and often-dirty city that is the Internet, /b/ is the gutter that collects the most toxic run-off.

Hence their rightful name, /b/tards.

The MSM is really running scared on this one, the new services inverting the story 180 degrees to make Palin the perpetrator rather than the victim. Alice-in-Wonderland indeed.

Like I said yesterday...

Good luck in prison!

Ah yes, here it is.

Behold, LGF:

This may be the most popular New York Times story ever, here.

re: #4 jwb7605

Is the child (probably under 18) who initiated this subject to prosecution in:

Adult
Juvenile

court?

I'm just assuming he's 16 or 17 years old.

Emotionally, about 6.

re: #6 runrabbitrun

The MSM is really running scared on this one, the new services inverting the story 180 degrees to make Palin the perpetrator rather than the victim. Alice-in-Wonderland indeed.

The left know how the blame the victim. They wrote the book.

Wish I could be a fly on the basement wall when the feds arrive at mom's house.

Good luck in prison and don't drop the soap.

Bwahahaa!

Ctunnel server tracking to Obama's Chicago (may be just a coincidence, or just another hop)

The information at the moment is on a server at a Chicago colocation site owned by FDC Servers. Logs are automatically flushed after seven days, so the clock is ticking for law enforcement, who presumably are under intense pressure to protect the privacy of a candidate for the White House. Of course, there's always the possibility that Ctunnel.com was only one of multiple anonymization services the email hackers used to cover their tracks, but there's only one way to find out

.

read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family

Ahh, Obama. It's amazing how much you are a flystrip for crazed, immoral criminals.

re: #5 bosforus

Hence their rightful name, /b/tards.

For a while yesterday I thought /b/tards was short for "bastards".

When email first came out, the best advice ever I heard was "Don't send anything you wouldn't want on the front page of the New York Times".

re: #8 Cognito

Ah yes, here it is.

Behold, LGF:

This may be the most popular New York Times story ever, here.

From the photo caption: ...a fluid morality and a disdain for pretty much everyone else online.

Fluid morality, disdain for everyone else..... definition of a Liberal!

Sorta OT

Leftwing Portrait of Palin

(scroll up)

re: #15 MandyManners

For a while yesterday I thought /b/tards was short for "bastards".

That works, too.

re: #6 runrabbitrun

The MSM is really running scared on this one, the new services inverting the story 180 degrees to make Palin the perpetrator rather than the victim. Alice-in-Wonderland indeed.

I meant NEWS services, of course...

re: #8 Cognito

Ah yes, here it is.

Behold, LGF:

This may be the most popular New York Times story ever, here.

Bookmarked.

re: #17 jcm

Nah. Those /b/ people go way, way, beyond any traditional construct like 'liberal.'

It's just sewage.

re: #6 runrabbitrun

The MSM is really running scared on this one, the new services inverting the story 180 degrees to make Palin the perpetrator rather than the victim. Alice-in-Wonderland indeed.

I'd like to see some of the MSM's emails. Especially those to and from the (un)Democratic party and the Obama campaign. Although a lot of the bad stuff is probably done over the phone.
"Yeah, don't worry. We will never mention Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko. We'll run a story instead of how McCain spent years associating with known communists in a country the US was at war with. And how he was offered the chance to go home but didn't take it."

anonymous /b/tards = proggie children.

I hope who ever did this, and every person involved, gets what they deserve. I am so appalled and angry at what Sara Palin, her husband, and her children have been put through by Obama and the left. This is really a disgrace to the entire Democrat party. And I have yet to hear ONE person associated with Obama or the DNC denounce these despicable attacks.

I heard about the FBI and the Secret Service looking into the hacking of Palin's private Yahoo email account this morning. Apparently the SS is taking it very seriously.

This could be the Democrats Watergate burglary.

I hope the liberal sites like Huff Post will be prosecuted for receiving stolen property since they have posted the stolen images and family photos.

re: #16 rawmuse

When email first came out, the best advice ever I heard was "Don't send anything you wouldn't want on the front page of the New York Times".

As re: #14 Diamond Bullet already points out:

there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped,

re: #11 Catttt

Wish I could be a fly on the basement wall when the feds arrive at mom's house.

I wish he'd get picked up at Starbuck's instead. His mom probably already feels like shit for spawning him.

A scandalless politician? HOW WILL THE LEFT FIGHT HER NOW?

I really, really recommend that Times story -- just read the first five paragraphs, if nothing else. Tells you all you need to know about Palin's attackers in this case.

I followed Charles' original gawker.com link to all the private stuff that the hackers posted. It included personal family photos, and her entire list of contacts, including email addresses of her friends and family members. There's also a video of them calling Bristol Palin's cell phone, so I guess they got phone numbers too.

Now I've been looking at the MSM stories about this, and it's really amazing to see how they're covering it. AP called this "accessing the email account that Palin uses for state business" or something like that, and said the hackers posted "inconsequential information." The entire media establishment is aggressively trying to re-spin this as some kind of heroic muckraking. Obama's kids on all the blogs are unanimously in favor of the whole thing.

I really can't imagine how our country is going to get worse than this. When the entire mainstream media establishment things that it's not only okay but noble to steal a public figure's private emails, make them public, and post her children's contact information on the internet, I think that, basically, all is lost.

re: #19 KibbyKat

That works, too.

Yep. Quicker, too.

Actually, 0bama's emails should be pretty meaty. Especially those to and from Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, etc. But they probably also have the sense to use the phone

Yea, if you can, please refrain from going to the /b/ section of 4chan. There's a chance you'll see a picture of something that you really wish you hadn't

How disappointing to commit a felony with potential federal prison time attached, only to fail to find anything to destroy your political enemies. But hey, there was probably a good brownie recipe in there!

re: #23 Kosh's Shadow

I'd like to see some of the MSM's emails.

With all due respect, man, you can't pin this on the mainstream media. This creature lurched directly from America's electronic septic tank.

re: #6 runrabbitrun

The lawyers on Greta's show last night kept implying that she had used private email for state related communications. None of the emails were business related according to the /b/tard who did this. God I hate the media!

re: #35 Dekar

good chance*

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

re: #40 faraway

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

Source?

re: #35 Dekar

Yea, if you can, please refrain from going to the /b/ section of 4chan. There's a chance you'll see a picture of something that you really wish you hadn't

Yeah I hadn't heard of /b/ (or 4chan) before this, so I went out of curiosity. Let's just say, curiosity killed the cat in this case, I second Dekar's recommendation to avoid it.

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

I heard about the FBI and the Secret Service looking into the hacking of Palin's private Yahoo email account this morning. Apparently the SS is taking it very seriously.

This could be the Democrats Watergate burglary.

That would be nice, but I doubt that this story will have the same "legs" in the media that Watergate had- after all, back then the media had Nixon to kick around... :-)

re: #36 doppelganglander

How disappointing to commit a felony with potential federal prison time attached, only to fail to find anything to destroy your political enemies. But hey, there was probably a good brownie recipe in there!

Or a recipe for moose burgers.

The silence from the other side is deafening.

Lock 'em up, in federal prison, with no computer and throw away the key.

From the article

THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was fucked

This shit got to the FBI. You are fucked.

re: #40 faraway

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

Really?

If a minor did the break in is their parent liable?
The AP and Yahoo people who did not cooperate with the USSS are not minors, the owners and staff of the servers are not minors.

Basic Physics; Actions have consequences.

re: #40 faraway

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

Like I said, it could very well be the Democrats' Watergate buglary. Except, that in this day and age, it's easier to find the perps via their electronic signatures.

Having members of his campaign arrested would be a hell of an October Suprise for Senator Obama. Wonder if he'll be just as paranoid as Richard Nixon.

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

Somehow I doubt it. There's nothing there for the media to glom on like a hagfish. Watergate was a lot more dramatic--this has just flown under the radar for most MSM types.

re: #15 MandyManners

For a while yesterday I thought /b/tards was short for "bastards".

it means that too

re: #42 rhino2

Yeah I hadn't heard of /b/ (or 4chan) before this, so I went out of curiosity. Let's just say, curiosity killed the cat in this case, I second Dekar's recommendation to avoid it.

What is it?

re: #37 Cognito

With all due respect, man, you can't pin this on the mainstream media. This creature lurched directly from America's electronic septic tank.

I'm not pinning it on them. I'd like to see the way they plan all the dirt they shovel. Not that I would engage in anything illegal to do so.

re: #40 faraway

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

I hope it's someone that will cause this to really bite BHO on the ass.

I remember Watergate....paranoia can lead to really bad judgment.

re: #40 faraway

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

I kind of doubt that, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if whoever is responsible was doing website support for the BO campaign.

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the article

This shit got to the FBI. You are fucked.

And the Secret Service as well. You are doubly fucked.

Too bad we still don't use the pillory.

re: #40 faraway

Rumor has it that it's not some script kiddy doing the break-in.

Maybe a Dem operative - son of state senator?

The Dems will spin it on how they know how to use email.

re: #53 MandyManners

What is it?

Mostly porn

re: #8 Cognito

I read the first page and I don't think I'll be able to eat lunch. What a loathsome group of black, shriveled souls.

Meanwhile, the AP refuses to cooperate and has denied the Secret Service's requests.

The Secret Service contacted The Associated Press on Wednesday and asked for copies of the leaked e-mails, which circulated widely on the Internet. The AP did not comply.

I believe they'll be subpeoned (sp) and I hope they get their collective retarded ass nailed to the wall. This was ridiculous and I hope there's some real jail time for the people involved.

Its just the miscreant teenager who cracked the account that is responsible, its also the websites that posted it.

Let them all have their day in court.

re: #51 davinvalkri

Somehow I doubt it. There's nothing there for the media to glom on like a hagfish. Watergate was a lot more dramatic--this has just flown under the radar for most MSM types.

Wait till members of Obama's campaign get publically arrested for it. Then the MSM cannot ignore it.

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

This could be the Democrats Watergate burglary.

Don't count on it. The MSM would immediately pounce on to every conservative doing that, but not on their own!

re: #53 MandyManners

Follow the link and read Malkins article. It explains everything. I'd never heard of it before ten min. ago.

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

it means that too

Why the cutsie form?! Why not just come right out and post the whole word?!

The F/b/I will have the last word.

Gawker's publication of the emails is a Federal offense. The defense of public relevancy, doubtful anyway, is not a legal defense. I wonder if Bush will actually have the sense to prosecute.

re: #65 looking closely

Its just the miscreant teenager who cracked the account that is responsible, its also the websites that posted it.

Let them all have their day in court.

PIMF, Its NOT just the miscreant, etc.

Seriously, this hack wouldn't have gotten anywhere without publicity by other sites.

re: #8 Cognito

Ah yes, here it is.

Behold, LGF:

This may be the most popular New York Times story ever, here.

Yicks! I never blogged before coming to LGF. It's amazing the crap I might have found by browsing inocently at /b/. Thanks LGF for being decent (among many other positive things).

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mostly porn

What's a "mostly"?

*rad*

These people need church.

re: #75 DistantThunder

These people need church.

and discipline, and jobs . . .

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

Like I said, it could very well be the Democrats' Watergate buglary. Except, that in this day and age, it's easier to find the perps via their electronic signatures.

Having members of his campaign arrested would be a hell of an October Suprise for Senator Obama. Wonder if he'll be just as paranoid as Richard Nixon.

I don't think so, man. This seems like homegrown stupidity, to me.

As little as I think of Obama's politics, it's really unfair to insinuate he or his team perpetrated this, without proof.

re: #2 Cognito

Yeah. Somebody's in big trouble.

I read recently about that "/b/" place. It sounds absolutely miserable. In the vast and often-dirty city that is the Internet, /b/ is the gutter that collects the most toxic run-off.

I don't know if it's all bad. It's the place that spawned the lolkatz. At least they did one thing useful. But beyond that, I don't know if they've done anything worth a damn.

re: #53 MandyManners

What is it?

A "random" image forum (apparently the place where LoLCats were born). But what these "people" find as amusing "random" photos are sickening in some cases.

re: #66 Honorary Yooper

Wait till members of Obama's campaign get publically arrested for it. Then the MSM cannot ignore it.

I wouldn't be willing to bet my life or my treasure that the MSM wouldn't do anything other than full-court press for ass-coverage.

re: #75 DistantThunder

These people need church.

No, they need a good whippin' and some discipline.

re: #68 Creeping Eruption

Follow the link and read Malkins article. It explains everything. I'd never heard of it before ten min. ago.

For once in my life, I'm gonna' just not look. But, boy is it a struggle.

re: #71 pat

Gawker's publication of the emails is a Federal offense. The defense of public relevancy, doubtful anyway, is not a legal defense. I wonder if Bush will actually have the sense to prosecute.

He should, but before doing so, someone should get an on the record comment from Obama saying he condemns this attack and hopes the individual(s) responsible are prosecuted.

That's the LEAST he can do here, and it will deflate any charges of partisanship.

Will he step up and do it?

re: #25 seekeroftruth

I hope who ever did this, and every person involved, gets what they deserve. I am so appalled and angry at what Sara Palin, her husband, and her children have been put through by Obama and the left. This is really a disgrace to the entire Democrat party. And I have yet to hear ONE person associated with Obama or the DNC denounce these despicable attacks.

I felt so annoyed, and sympathetic for all the pain they have been through, that I broke out my new Sarah Palin sticker and slapped it on my car this morning. it's a new car, and being that I am in NY, I am taking a considerable risk of damage inflicted to it by the "tolerant" left.

she's worth it, IMO.

Crucifixion is usually not used in American justice but the perps may well find out that the same effect can nearly be achieved. You do not want to be these people. The gates of hell are opening for them.

On a more important note- Palin got hacked because the perp was able to use public personal information about them and then guess likely passwords. If you use anyother personal information in creating your passwords. Unlike Palin, the FBI will not treat your case as such a high priority.

For best security use letters and numbers, use made up words or better yet combos of them and then punctuate the code word with numbers. In additon, it is wise to use a basic pw and then use variations of it so you have a chance at guessing.

Using actors last names from your favorite movie or characters from your favorite book lets you do this:

harpo87chico Marx Brothers
audrey46peppard Breakfast at Tiffanies
stoney64rumsfoord Sirens of Titan

You can add digits over time for additional security. Finally not using public PC's and avoiding spyware are critical. Changing passwords every so often is highly recommended. I am able to get into sites I have not logged into in years because my system doesn't change.

For media sites, where no possible harm can come from losing your pw use a separate easy to remember pw that never changes.

Even someone who knows you well would have a hard time hacking you.

Forewarned is forearmed.

In the eyes of the MSM, what was done to Sarah Palin is perfectly acceptable because, after all, she is (horror of horrors!) a Republican. If this happend to Barack Obama, well, then, that would be completely different, because he IS the CHOSEN ONE...........

BHG

www.icanhascheezburger.com is some funny shit

...all else is some attention-whoring buffoonery... (sp?)

re: #53 MandyManners

Holy crap, 4chan? That's an internet message board, primarily known for posting sexualized images of everything under the sun. I didn't know they had a hacker side to 'em...all the more reason to stay clear!

re: #69 MandyManners

Why the cutsie form?! Why not just come right out and post the whole word?!

/b is the name of the subforum they all post on, so they have all sort of derivatives. /b& for banned, /b/tards, etc

re: #81 Honorary Yooper

No, they need a good whippin' and some discipline.

After that they need church which will orient them in time and space to their obligations to their fellow man.

re: #79 rhino2

A "random" image forum (apparently the place where LoLCats were born). But what these "people" find as amusing "random" photos are sickening in some cases.

From what little I've read here, I'll pass.

re: #77 Cognito

As little as I think of Obama's politics, it's really unfair to insinuate he or his team perpetrated this, without proof.

I agree with that, though again, Obama could (and IMO absolutely should) explicitly condemn this.

If its not OK to crack terrorists email accounts, how on earth is it OK to crack the email accounts of sitting US Governors?

re: #82 MandyManners

For once in my life, I'm gonna' just not look. But, boy is it a struggle.

The article on Michelle's site is fine, and an interested read, just don't venture to 4chan.org

re: #76 Creeping Eruption

and discipline, and jobs . . .

and soap, pimple cream...

The question I have been asking all night is: Can the US Marshall's office go after those who reposted what was obviously stolen material? If I sell stolen goods, and if your blog has ads you are a seller,then I am in trouble. Huffington and DU? Are they at least worried?

re: #32 Last Mohican

yep. combine the anonymity of the internet, with the infantile, valueless, and morally debased society we live in, and , voila, you have it.

re: #79 rhino2

A "random" image forum (apparently the place where LoLCats were born). But what these "people" find as amusing "random" photos are sickening in some cases.

They do Lulz (a perversion of LOL). They basically find a sensitive type person and bully them just to get their reaction. The more lulz the better in their cruel minds.

re: #80 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wouldn't be willing to bet my life or my treasure that the MSM wouldn't do anything other than full-court press for ass-coverage.

Oh, they'll try to hide it, but the news has other ways of leaking out now. We have blogs, we have talk radio. This news of the emails being hacked into made the local radio news here.

To Cognito, #77: Remember, Markos and his crew are very much are part of the Obama campaign, and it is members of a campaign who typically pull stupid stunts like this. Remember Watergate, Cog? It's motive.

re: #94 OldLineTexan

and soap, pimple cream...

I think someone above also mentioned a whipping, which would also be fine.

Don't forget Palin's Social Security number has already been posted on the web also.

Also, don't forget Obama's state senate race where Ryan had this to say about Obama

What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign — the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play. Accordingly, I am today withdrawing from the race

re: #37 Cognito

With all due respect, man, you can't pin this on the mainstream media. This creature lurched directly from America's electronic septic tank.

agreed, but I don't think that's what hye was saying or meant.

re: #81 Honorary Yooper

No, they need a good whippin' and some discipline.

Marine Corps?

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

I heard about the FBI and the Secret Service looking into the hacking of Palin's private Yahoo email account this morning. Apparently the SS is taking it very seriously.

This could be the Democrats Watergate burglary.

Of course they're taking it extremely seriously. 1) It's a felony offense. 2) It's one of the Vice-Presidential candidates that got hacked. ID theft is a big problem and that's exactly what happened here. This shows that everybody is vulnerable to abuse. Especially those who suddenly rise to fame and have all their information posted on the internet.

The idiots involved are looking at least several years prison time.

Charles,
As you well know, this guy isn't a script kiddie. He guessed the answers to the security questions using publicly available information.

re: #92 looking closely

If its not OK to crack terrorists email accounts, how on earth is it OK to crack the email accounts of sitting US Governors?

It's not ok to bother terrorists because they wouldn't be terrorists except for the US global hegemony and imperial designs. Republicans are fair game because they are trying to keep America from becoming the socialist utopia it needs to become.

/moonbat

re: #88 davinvalkri

Holy crap, 4chan? That's an internet message board, primarily known for posting sexualized images of everything under the sun. I didn't know they had a hacker side to 'em...all the more reason to stay clear!

Probably the other way around- a hacker board with lots of pr0n.

/pr0n is "hacker dung"....

BBL. Keep up the moral outrage, Lizards!

The NYT story did not load.

Imagine this technology in the hands of the Obamatons.

re: #77 Cognito

I don't think so, man. This seems like homegrown stupidity, to me.

As little as I think of Obama's politics, it's really unfair to insinuate he or his team perpetrated this, without proof.

His campaign has been involved with trying to shut down radio shows they don't agree with, smear authors they don't agree with, shutting down a website that they didn't like, smearing Gov Palin, hosting all kinds of hateful people on his presidential website. Obama is knows for taking out any opponent who gets in his way of winning. It's not a stretch at to consider that his campaign may be involved.

CNN Headline News earlier today noted that the FBI and the Secret Service is investigating...

re: #90 DistantThunder

After that they need church which will orient them in time and space to their obligations to their fellow man.

Fair enough, but the whippin' comes first. ;-)

re: #14 Diamond Bullet

nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped

I can just see this tool over at dKos "bragging" about how he derailed Palin. Instead he'll have his hands full with the investigation.

The email hackjob is just another in a long series of Republican dirty trick operations designed to embarass Obama and to increase public sympathy for the McCain/Palin candidacy.

re: #65 looking closely

Its just the miscreant teenager who cracked the account that is responsible, its also the websites that posted it.

Let them all have their day in court.

Where does this keep coming from? "miscreant teenager"

It may turn out to not be a teen at all.

Ahmadinejad ready to debate US presidential hopefuls

Those who want to impose sanctions are demonstrating their helplessness," he said.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Finally something the little bastard and I agree on: Sanctions are a waste of time!

re: #104 Jinx

The idiots involved are looking at least several years prison time.

Not if they're under 15 years old.

I'd imagine that the perpetrator is a male in his late teens or early 20s and (of course) an Obama supporter, though probably not directly connected to Obama's campaign.

If so, let him warm a cell for 1-2 years.

Just another adult email anarchist. Probably in some of zombie's alley pictures.

re: #37 Cognito

With all due respect, man, you can't pin this on the mainstream media. This creature lurched directly from America's electronic septic tank.

The Media drones were sure on it like flies on shit, though. They didn't give a damn if Federal laws were broken to obtain it, they wanted the dirt and they wanted it now.

re: #110 karmic_inquisitor

Imagine this technology in the hands of the Obamatons.

I think that potential already exists. Many new cars have some sort of GPS transponder. Older cars like mine have a toll paying device, which is a transponder also. If ever I went on the lam, the first thing I would do would be to chuck that thing out the window.

re: #119 jorline

Just another adult email anarchist. Probably in some of zombie's alley pictures.

The pitcher or catcher type?

re: #115 sparrowlake

The email hackjob is just another in a long series of Republican dirty trick operations designed to embarass Obama and to increase public sympathy for the McCain/Palin candidacy.

I hope you forgot the sarc- tag.
/

According to RightPundits.com, the digital trail has led to a server site in Chicago, Obama's hometown, n'est-ce pas?

That isn't saying that he is involved; but it is interesting, if true.

re: #119 jorline

Just another adult email anarchist. Probably in some of zombie's alley pictures.

*SPEW* Had to up-ding you on that, right after I cleaned off my monitor :-).

re: #115 sparrowlake

The email hackjob is just another in a long series of Republican dirty trick operations designed to embarass Obama and to increase public sympathy for the McCain/Palin candidacy.

The Republicans have also tricked Obama into opening his mouth and making a series of contradictory statements.

In fact, they were the ones who sent the original invitation for Obama to attend Wright's church.

They're damn clever that way.

Charles, you ask: "Why hasn’t Obama denounced this illegal, unethical behavior?"
Oh he will, just as soon as his campaign is sure that there's nothing there they can use against Gov. Palin.

re: #115 sparrowlake

The email hackjob is just another in a long series of Republican dirty trick operations designed to embarass Obama and to increase public sympathy for the McCain/Palin candidacy.

forgot your sarc tag.

Bet Gawker wishes they could get a change of venue to the UK and then claim they did it because they were concerned about Global Warning
(yes but in America we had the 'Twinkie Defense")

re: #122 Nevergiveup

The pitcher or catcher type?

My money is on the catcher...LOL

rubico said:

unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state

Nonconsensual prison sex can also induce a comatose state, rubico.

re: #116 faraway

Where does this keep coming from? "miscreant teenager"

It may turn out to not be a teen at all.

I agree. I don't think this is a "miscreant teenager" at all given the history of Obama's past campaigns. He has a strong history of trying to take out anyone who gets in his way. He got his first serious opponent knocked off the ballot. He managed to get Jim Ryan to bow out of the Senate race in 2004 by having his divorce records opened. (Yes, the inquiry came from the Tribune, but they are seriously in the tank for him.)

I think it may be someone linked to the campaign. It smells that way to me based on the past history.

re: #120 Spiny Norman

The Media drones were sure on it like flies on shit, though. They didn't give a damn if Federal laws were broken to obtain it, they wanted the dirt and they wanted it now.

Good point, plus, earlier at least, some mainstream news sites have apparently reported it this as some sort of "shady" doings on Palin's behalf, without mentioning the illegal method used in getting the information.

Proves your point exactly.

re: #85 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

He used the password reset form that let you change a supposedly-forgotten password using several "security questions". Unfortunately, the answers were ones he could figure out from public information.

Therefore, answer your security questions wrong.
"Where did you meet your spouse?" Mars
"What is your mother's maiden name?" Thargina
"What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"

re: #120 Spiny Norman

Well now, thats their job.

/Give me dirty laundry!

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Oh, they'll try to hide it, but the news has other ways of leaking out now. We have blogs, we have talk radio. This news of the emails being hacked into made the local radio news here.

The MSM is at "war" with the American people, trying to regain their journalistic hegemony, and has already shown they will do virtually anything to achieve their tactical and strategic goals. Blogs and talk radio are the freedom fighters to the entrenched Imperial army of the MSM in the war for free and unfettered access to news and opinions.

If there truly was

nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped

then why post them at all? That just makes you a creepy jerk, posting someone's private emails for some kinda voyeuristic kicks.

re: #110 karmic_inquisitor

Imagine this technology in the hands of the Obamatons.

This stuff ought to be banned, IMHO.

re: #122 Nevergiveup

The pitcher or catcher type?

Definitely catcher.

re: #124 reine.de.tout

According to RightPundits.com, the digital trail has led to a server site in Chicago, Obama's hometown, n'est-ce pas?

That isn't saying that he is involved; but it is interesting, if true.

{reine}
Good afternoon ma'am.

re: #140 jorline

{reine}
Good afternoon ma'am.

Good afternoon! Good to see you, I've missed you. I supposed you've been pretty busy, can't imagine why.

re: #118 looking closely

Not if they're under 15 years old.

I'd imagine that the perpetrator is a male in his late teens or early 20s and (of course) an Obama supporter, though probably not directly connected to Obama's campaign.

If so, let him warm a cell for 1-2 years.

And despite the Dems' best efforts, a felony conviction still forfeits your right to vote.

re: #92 looking closely

I agree with that, though again, Obama could (and IMO absolutely should) explicitly condemn this.

If its not OK to crack terrorists email accounts, how on earth is it OK to crack the email accounts of sitting US Governors?

She's not a governor, she's a hick small-town mayor who lies and is stupid. Duh!

Obama's campaign ad was right. Can we really trust an administration that uses easily guessed passwords? How can Someone Like That be a heartbeat away...?

/

re: #100 faraway
Hey, do y'all have a link to that? Either or both of Palin's SSN being hacked and posted or the other one?

Where’s the Obama campaign on this? They’re supposed to be the “internet savvy” ones, aren’t they? Why hasn’t Obama denounced this illegal, unethical behavior?

Mainly because nobody has yet forced him to would be my guess.
Everything about Obama shows that he is reactive, not proactive.
He's simply not a leader.

Put differently, there is no political advantage to prospectively taking the moral high ground here, so he won't.

When someone rubs his nose in this, then you can expect the usual boilerplate condemnation.

Again, I'd like to see him say explicitly that the individual responsible deserves to be prosecuted. IMO if he doesn't say it, he's

a. tacitly condoning this behavior, and
b. providing partisan political cover for the individual(s) responsible.

re: #141 reine.de.tout

Good afternoon! Good to see you, I've missed you. I supposed you've been pretty busy, can't imagine why.

Busy bee...I hope all is well with you.

re: #126 looking closely

The Republicans have also tricked Obama into opening his mouth and making a series of contradictory statements.
In fact, they were the ones who sent the original invitation for Obama to attend Wright's church.
They're damn clever that way.

McCain/Palin are truly diabolical. There is no way on earth the Dems could be stupid enough to have repeatedly engaged in such self-defeating conduct.

re: #137 WhoKnu

If there truly was

nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped

then why post them at all? That just makes you a creepy jerk, posting someone's private emails for some kinda voyeuristic kicks.

Nick Denton and people like him are perpetual adolescents. That sort of childish behavior is expected.

re: #120 Spiny Norman

The Media drones were sure on it like flies on shit, though. They didn't give a damn if Federal laws were broken to obtain it, they wanted the dirt and they wanted it now.

All depends on the tone and aim.

If I recall correctly, Charles quite rightly posted something about it here, where it was commented on to great effect.

And there were some who wondered why I condemned (or at the very least, refused to endorse) a certain group for their cyber-crime tactics against servers owned by the scientologists.

It was not because I am sympathetic to the House of L. Ron (I most certainly am not), but because a crime is a crime, regardless of who it is perpetrated on.

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the article

This shit got to the FBI. You are fucked.

You forgot the "Heh"!

Modern day Watergate break in and the MSM yawns

Script kiddie? or Dem creep? rumor

re: #142 doppelganglander

Sadly, no.

ot:

"Palestinians Are A Welfare State": No wonder the Left loves them!

re: #150 Cognito
tool

re: #132 Honorary Yooper

I agree. I don't think this is a "miscreant teenager" at all given the history of Obama's past campaigns... I think it may be someone linked to the campaign. It smells that way to me based on the past history.

Dude. Come on.

Stick to facts.

re: #149 Spiny Norman

Nick Denton and people like him are perpetual adolescents. That sort of childish behavior is expected.

Amen. Nick loves a good fight so much that he gets carried away and starts a lot of bad fights.

re: #157 newsjunkie_ky

tool

What?

re: #153 SpartanWoman

Modern day Watergate break in and the MSM yawns

That is because this crime was not perpetrated by a hated Republican.

I know, hated and Republican to the Left, Dems, and MSM are repetitive.

We need an FBI lolcatz;

Iz in ur harddrive, gathering ur logz

Democratic Party released Palin's Social Security number 2 weeks ago.

re: #141 reine.de.tout
Hi reine! How are you?
BTW, Sharmuta linked me to a post (which, of course, I've now forgotten) where the "miscreant" was identified when he posted his "snapshots" of Palin's e-mails - a 20 year old named Davey something or other, got his ISP and, iirc, his home address,too!

Weird glitch - I up dinged a comment and got a little box that said I had already dinged it. I hadn't.

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yu kan haz free uhturney.

Mofaz added that the difference was negligible between the number of the votes he and Livni received and that several lawyers advised him to appeal the results.

But, he said, "I decided that the good of the country comes before my personal gain, especially during this time in which the government is being tossed around in stormy waters."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Gore, Gore's lawyers, and Gore's supporters are furious and protest Mofaz's decision to fold. "The hell with the damage to the country" they say!

re: #165 SummerSong

Weird glitch - I up dinged a comment and got a little box that said I had already dinged it. I hadn't.

All your ding are belong to us.

re: #146 looking closely

Again, I'd like to see him say explicitly that the individual responsible deserves to be prosecuted. IMO if he doesn't say it, he's

a. tacitly condoning this behavior, and
b. providing partisan political cover for the individual(s) responsible.

To expand on B, what if it turns out that the miscreant responsible is a poor minority urban kid from a broken home with an otherwise clean record.

Makes it politically tougher to throw the book at him, doesn't it?

There is also a political opening here for McCain/Palin.

McCain may not know how to use the internets (sic), but both he and Palin can take a credibly strong stance against cybercrime if Obama doesn't make his voice heard here.

re: #147 jorline
Hello my friend - I commented to you on the DT but then had to run out - how are your hands and joints doing? Any med's that help with that rheumatoid (sp?) arthritis yet?

re: #134 Kosh's Shadow

EXCELLENT SUGGESTION!

If this was Obama's email - this would be front page news for WEEKS blaming angry white southerners and there would be a Congressional investigation

re: #164 realwest

Hi reine! How are you?
BTW, Sharmuta linked me to a post (which, of course, I've now forgotten) where the "miscreant" was identified when he posted his "snapshots" of Palin's e-mails - a 20 year old named Davey something or other, got his ISP and, iirc, his home address,too!

Doing fine Realwest, and praying for you!

Did Sharmuta do that in this thread or another one? I can search for it if I know where to go.

re: #169 looking closely

To expand on B, what if it turns out that the miscreant responsible is a poor minority urban kid from a broken home with an otherwise clean record.

Makes it politically tougher to throw the book at him, doesn't it?

There is also a political opening here for McCain/Palin.

McCain may not know how to use the internets (sic), but both he and Palin can take a credibly strong stance against cybercrime if Obama doesn't make his voice heard here.

He could run for President in 20 plus years and rekindle hope and change.

re: #115 sparrowlake

The email hackjob is just another in a long series of Republican dirty trick operations designed to embarass Obama and to increase public sympathy for the McCain/Palin candidacy.

Karl Rove you magnificent /b/tard!

re: #166 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Yu kan haz free uhturney.

uz haz rite 2 remain silent

re: #165 SummerSong

Weird glitch - I up dinged a comment and got a little box that said I had already dinged it. I hadn't.

Reload, refresh, reboot, and come back and re-ding!

re: #143 taxfreekiller
Holy Crap! Great story TFK! And it's funny, Colon (which was known as Cristobal when the US owned the canal) was across the canal from where I was based!

Idiots here at work are saying that it's ok because she should not have been conducting 'state business' using a personal email account...

Although one person here said that Air America is on this case and reporting about it... Of course, they are blaming Sarah Palin for using a personal account for government business...

re: #153 SpartanWoman

Modern day Watergate break in and the MSM yawns

It's strange isn't it. They were all over it yesterday but now only Fox has it on the lead headlines on their web page. For the MSM to suddenly drop it makes me wonder to whom this hacker is really linked.

re: #154 faraway

Script kiddie? or Dem creep? rumor

very interesting!

I don't believe it was someone within Obama's campaign. That gets a little too much into rumormongering and conspiracy theories.

Lizardoids, we're better than the moonbats. So until we have some facts let's put the conspiracy theories in the trunk where they belong.

re: #180 livefreeor die

It's strange isn't it. They were all over it yesterday but now only Fox has it on the lead headlines on their web page. For the MSM to suddenly drop it makes me wonder to whom this hacker is really linked.

If it was some kid in the basement they would publicize that. But when their interests are involved they become silent. AP is abetting a criminal

re: #85 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The password wasn't hacked the challenge questions were ... the one's the ask you for personal information, that lay people would honestly put personal information as answers .... all the obfuscation in your password won't help, if someone can reset it

re: #160 Cognito

WhatWhuh ?

Fixed.

re: #173 reine.de.tout
Thank you very much.
No, darnit, it was iirc, the next to last thread on
Tuesday night - if you search Sharm, you'll see where she posted to me about it!

Mayor of Rome vows not to watch ABC news ever again

Furious over the portrayal of Rome in Tuesday’s national broadcast of "Good Morning America," Mayor James F. Brown said he’ll never watch ABC — the television show’s network — again.

I am with this guy. I can't take it anymore. Except for the debates I won't tune in to any news related program until at least mid-October.

re: #163 faraway

Democratic Party released Palin's Social Security number 2 weeks ago.

"500 Internal Server Error"

re: #95 Rancher

According to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act
([Link: www.usiia.org...] intentionally disclosing purloined email is a violation -

"(c) intentionally discloses, or endeavors to disclose, to any other person the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection; or

(d) intentionally uses, or endeavors to use, the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection;

shall be punished as provided in subsection (4) or shall be subject to suit as provided in subsection (5)."

re: #170 realwest

Hello my friend - I commented to you on the DT but then had to run out - how are your hands and joints doing? Any med's that help with that rheumatoid (sp?) arthritis yet?

Hey RW...I responded to you on the DT. I'll send you an email with the details. More importantly I want to know how you're feeling.

I'll email you this afternoon.

re: #179 tfc3rid

Idiots here at work are saying that it's ok because she should not have been conducting 'state business' using a personal email account...

Although one person here said that Air America is on this case and reporting about it... Of course, they are blaming Sarah Palin for using a personal account for government business...

They are indeed idiots. What should she have done -used her public e-mail for her personal stuff, too?

Everyone here should try to get through a week without using a personal home phone, personal e-mail, personal cell-phone at least once for business related to their work.

Some people can do it, but I know I never could.

And if one happens to be a Governor (or really, any elected or highly placed Government official), which basically means you are on duty 24/7/365, then it becomes nearly impossible to keep separate your personal and public "stuff".

Although Palin seems to have done a good job, given that there is nothing in her e-mail that can be construed as "government business".

re: #155 Rancher

Where are you referring to? I did a quick Google search and 48 states have some form of restriction on voting by felons.

re: #163 faraway
Um, not according to your link; it wasn't the Democratic party and her SSN was partially redacted.

re: #126 looking closely

The Republicans have also tricked Obama into opening his mouth and making a series of contradictory statements.

In fact, they were the ones who sent the original invitation for Obama to attend Wright's church.

They're damn clever that way.

They also have a tiny, virtual tazergun that causes Obama to stutter.

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Agreed, SB. The "Slogs" (my term for the Hubbardites) are at best a highly questionable bunch, but that doesn't justify cyberterror against them, or anyone else.

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

uz haz rite 2 remain silent

aniting yu sez can b uzd agnst yu?

We should stop. This is LGF, not 4chan.

/but it is pretty funny

re: #51 davinvalkri

Somehow I doubt it. There's nothing there for the media to glom on like a hagfish. Watergate was a lot more dramatic--this has just flown under the radar for most MSM types.

Watergate was also pinnable to Republicans, if this was happening to Biden instead of Palin the MSM would be all over this 24/7 until the elections were over...

re: #191 reine.de.tout
Thought she didn't use her personal email for state business.
They sure didn't show any emails that she did, IIRC.

Just so we are clear on where the AP is on all of this -

The Secret Service contacted The Associated Press on Wednesday and asked for copies of the leaked e-mails, which circulated widely on the Internet. The AP did not comply.

Obstruction of a Secret Service investigation (without citing any indication of protecting a source) is patriotic!

lolcats came from b and penicillin came from mold.
Strange world we live in.

re: #157 newsjunkie_ky

?

re: #188 Jinx

"500 Internal Server Error"

Another link here - Daily News

Also, don't forget other Democratic dirty tricks mentioned here

Former Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee researcher Lauren Weiner was convicted later that year of a misdemeanor charge for illegally impersonating [Michael] Steele to obtain his credit history.

The Associated Press Loves Stolen Evidence

A political candidate's personal e-mail is hacked and sent to my mortal enemy. They, in turn, are contacted by the U.S. Government, who is investigating what is essentially a Federal crime. To nobody's surprise, my mortal enemy decides not to cooperate.

What is surprising is to see that the Associated Press doesn't think that it's a violation of Corporate Ethics to use stolen evidence to promote a new "scandal":

The Secret Service contacted The Associated Press on Wednesday and asked for copies of the leaked e-mails, which circulated widely on the Internet. The AP did not comply. (Actually they were probably asking for WHO hacked and leaked the emails and where AP got them).

The disclosure [i.e., the STOLEN E-MAILS] Wednesday raises new questions about the propriety of the Palin administration's use of nongovernment e-mail accounts to conduct state business.

re: #201 Cap'n DOC

?

re: #189 cyberspace

According to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act
([Link: www.usiia.org...] intentionally disclosing purloined email is a violation -

(d) intentionally uses, or endeavors to use, the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection;

shall be punished as provided in subsection (4) or shall be subject to suit as provided in subsection (5)."

Sounds like Huff Post should be prosecuted.

re: #158 Cognito

there's already been a tracing of that (ahem!) email name of the hacker (and some have posted the alleged name of the alleged hacker -- if this proves to be the case, given an FBI/SS investigation -- then the alleged "perp" is not a "teenager." also has certain ties to the Democratic Party, etc. But, again, we must wait to see how all of this pans out.) I think it's extremely premature (as others have noted) to exclaim "the hacker's a teenager!" That's not a "fact." And it's no more a "fact" than the current rumors circulating with respect to the alleged name of the hacker...

re: #195 mikalm

Thanks. A tiny few Lizards disagreed with me. I felt it was an exercise in moral equivalence to excuse the criminal activities.

The tiny few that did disagree with me kept their disagreement civil and respectful, however. I doubt I would get that kind of consideration out of those who think there is nothing wrong with hacking into Sarah Palin's email account.

re: #198 newsjunkie_ky

Thought she didn't use her personal email for state business.
They sure didn't show any emails that she did, IIRC.

No, she didn't, I thought that's what I said in my last sentence, "Although Palin seems to have done a good job, given that there is nothing in her e-mail that can be construed as "government business".

Another hacked e-mail: America Where Anything's Possible

re: #209 reine.de.tout
You did, I was mainly addressing tfc3rd to combat the moonies in his office. Just reinforcing.

re: #193 realwest

Um, not according to your link; it wasn't the Democratic party and her SSN was partially redacted.

It wasn't the Democratic party? really? maybe the Bull Moose party?

Democrat Tony Knowles, her opponent in the 2006 Alaska gubernatorial race, put together a detailed, 63-page research document — obtained by Politico

The last 4 digits were redacted - that's just 9,999 possibilities.

re: #212 newsjunkie_ky

You did, I was mainly addressing tfc3rd to combat the moonies in his office. Just reinforcing.

Oh, OK.

Wasn't sure if I'm not making sense anymore . . .

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

CNN and other "news" media are using the hacked email to make allegations (and these allegations are stated as "fact") that Palin was using a personal email account to conduct government business --- that is being repeatedly stated as factual...no qualifications...and no examples given to back up these claims...but that's what the Media hacks are alleging...sans any evidence...The MSM are Obamatons.

Great post about the illegalities of the e-mail hacking :
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Hey, it's at comment #873 on the Sarah Palin on H and C thread:

rubico10

David Kernell
rubico10@yahoo.com
20
Memphis, TN
amateur chess player
son of democratic state 93rd district senator Mike Kernell

re: #158 Cognito

Dude. Come on.

Stick to facts.

OK, Cog, you want to stick to facts, let's bring up Obama's past elections where shenanigans have been orchestrated.

Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.

The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."

Barack Obama’s Election History: Hoisted By His Own Petard

In the elections he won, Barack Obama used every legal ploy possible to disqualify his competition. During the 1996 Illinois 13th District State Senate seat, Mr. Obama challenged the signature sheets of incumbent Alice J. Palmer and two others and sued to remove them from the ballot. Consequently, Barack Obama ran unopposed–no wonder he doesn’t recognize Victory, he’s never had a real one.

During the 2000 United States House of Representatives election for the Illinois’ 1st congressional district, Barack Obama challenged Bobby Lee Rush (co-founder of the Illinois Black Panther Party in 1968), but Mr. Rush was ready for Obama’s despicable tactics. Rush called Obama “inauthentic” during the campaign and won decisively: Rush received 61% of the vote, while Obama received 30%.

But Obama was soon back at it during the 2004 Illinois U.S. Senate Race, this time using Chicago media, lawyers, and investigators to scandalously smear Blair Hull in the Dem. primary and then Jack Ryan in the general election with personal attacks.

Jack Ryan - Wikipedia

Barack Obama’s backers emailed reporters about the divorce controversy, but refrained from on-the-record commentary about the divorce files. On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans’ divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan’s young child. The following week, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama changed his position about the Ryans’ soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats to not inject them into the campaign. The Ryan campaign characterized Obama’s shift as hypocritical, because Obama’s backers had been emailing reports about the divorce records prior to Judge Schnider’s decision.

There you go, Cog, let's stick to the facts of what Obama's previous campaigns have done.

re: #187 NC State of Mind

Mayor of Rome vows not to watch ABC news ever again
I am with this guy. I can't take it anymore. Except for the debates I won't tune in to any news related program until at least mid-October.

May he be excruciatingly struck and killed by Obama's bus if he ever again so much as watches even a millisecond of ABC, no matter if due entirely to an involuntary channelsurfing fingertwitch caused by a meatball going down the wrong way.
/LOL

There is a lesson to be learned here. Use strong passwords. Passwords should not be based on personal information. Do not re-use passwords for different websites. Keep a list of the sites, their passwords and recovery hints in a secure, offline location like a password protected Word or Excel document or a notebook. Make your recover hints non-sequiters, for example if the hint question is "where did you meet your spouse" answer something completely unrelated like "blueberry".
And remember that any information that you put out on the internet is never totally secure. All that information is stored on servers somewhere and every server has at least 1 administrator that has access to all the information on it.

Unfortunately, for the average Joe, their best security is being a byte sized needle in a terabyte haystack. That doesn't work so well if you are famous or have enemies.

re: #67 callahan23

Don't count on it. The MSM would immediately pounce on to every conservative doing that, but not on their own!

The medium (electronic vs brick and mortar) has changed with the times.
If this gets traced back to Obama's campaign in any fashion, "the cover up is worse than the crime", just like the Nixon/Watergate affair.

Your comment, though, seems accurate.

re: #217 realwest

Hey, it's at comment #873 on the Sarah Palin on H and C thread:

rubico10

David Kernell
rubico10@yahoo.com
20
Memphis, TN
amateur chess player
son of democratic state 93rd district senator Mike Kernell

Whoa! Thanks.

re: #220 MadJadBad

There is a lesson to be learned here. Use strong passwords. Passwords should not be based on personal information. Do not re-use passwords for different websites. Keep a list of the sites, their passwords and recovery hints in a secure, offline location like a password protected Word or Excel document or a notebook. Make your recover hints non-sequiters, for example if the hint question is "where did you meet your spouse" answer something completely unrelated like "blueberry".
And remember that any information that you put out on the internet is never totally secure. All that information is stored on servers somewhere and every server has at least 1 administrator that has access to all the information on it.

Unfortunately, for the average Joe, their best security is being a byte sized needle in a terabyte haystack. That doesn't work so well if you are famous or have enemies.

So you mean using your own name spelled backwards is not a good idea?

The word "lizard" is not a good password.

Obama's non-response here is also instructive in another way.

It shows how an Obama administration is likely to treat attacks on its political enemies, in general.

Again, if Obama does NOT personally condemn this in explicitly strong terms, it sends the message that his administration is going to look the other way when "dirty tricks" go down.

re: #218 Honorary Yooper

There you go, Cog, let's stick to the facts of what Obama's previous campaigns have done.

YES ! !

WHAT SHE SAID !

re: #127 realwest

Charles, you ask: "Why hasn’t Obama denounced this illegal, unethical behavior?"
Oh he will, just as soon as his campaign is sure that there's nothing there they can use against Gov. Palin.

IF any of this gets provably tied to the Obama campaign, I would hope that McCain demonstrates "what negative campaigning is all about" for real.

ALice Palmer

Jack Ryan

Political Assassination via the Saul Alinsky Method

re: #207 J.S.

Agreed. We should wait for facts, in all cases.

The big lesson here for all Lizards is to take another look at your passwords both at home and at work.

Make them big and make them messy. Don't use words, use numbers and non-alphanumeric characters like @, #, $, %, etc., with in the bounds of what the system will let you use.

I like to use the keyboard mash, smash and poke method. It makes for a big fat password with lots of upper and lower case letters, numbers and non alphanumeric characters. Messy as all heck, but a real bear to hack.

Also, when you are on a site that has ID verification questions, such as What is you r mothers maiden name, you don't have to use your mothers real maiden name. You could use anything. You in fact should use anything other than your mothers real maiden name.

Don't make it easy on the trolls.

Security is a game that you must play to win.

re: #220 MadJadBad

Good info with respect to choosing a password ... (however, with respect to this case -- it was not due to guessing a password -- the perp used a feature of Yahoo mail -- that's to reset a password --you know those links where you can write in info, in the event you forget your password? well that's what the hacker did, and he simply used pulicly available information to reset S. Parin's password to one of his choosing. he chose the word "popcorn" as the new password, then gained access to her yahoo account, etc. He was too stupid to know how to download the webmail to his computer, btw.)

re: #226 mama winger
Hey {mama} how are ya doing?

I still want to know how high up this went in the political circle. Was it just a rogue teenager or was it organized like Watergate.

re: #77 Cognito

The charge is very serious. Every serious charge should be investigated. It is the seriousness of the charge that is of importance, not the existence of proof or even probability of an event having taken place.

re: #218 Honorary Yooper
Just an excellent post HY! Thanks!

re: #124 reine.de.tout

According to RightPundits.com, the digital trail has led to a server site in Chicago, Obama's hometown, n'est-ce pas?

That isn't saying that he is involved; but it is interesting, if true.

akgoldrush seems to have tracked him down on this thread, comment #873

rubico10

David Kernell
rubico10@yahoo.com
20
Memphis, TN
amateur chess player
son of democratic state 93rd district senator Mike Kernell

they're coming for you, Davey...

re: #236 wahabicorridor

son of democratic state 93rd district senator Mike Kernell

they're coming for you, Davey Mike and Obama...

/corrected

re: #236 wahabicorridor

Yes, I just saw that.

Somebody a lot smarter than I am will get this figured out, sooner or later.

re: #13 Celtic Templar

I reviewed the screen shots of the emails and noted in the address bar of the displayed email page the address of [Link: www.ctunnel.com...] This generally means that the email page was initially brought up through the address displayed in the browser bar. If these were the original screen shots provided by the "hacker(s)" then it is highly probable that they used the proxy site to conduct their hack. Pretty amateurish. The log files will trace them to the original point. Now if they were really good they would have jumped several servers but they still can be tracked via logs on each server. Thats assuming that they are in the US. Off shore it becomes a bit more difficult.

As far as the end result given that the victim is a government official, and VP candidate the possibilities that National Security violations could be invoked on top of the standard Title 18 criminal violations are there. It could be that if the USAG deemed this to be a case of national security the preps could go to Gitmo. Probably not going to happen but I suspect the hacker(s) will be given a warm reception in a Federal Pen when convicted.

re: #231 J.S.

Good info with respect to choosing a password ... (however, with respect to this case -- it was not due to guessing a password -- the perp used a feature of Yahoo mail -- that's to reset a password --you know those links where you can write in info, in the event you forget your password? well that's what the hacker did, and he simply used pulicly available information to reset S. Parin's password to one of his choosing. he chose the word "popcorn" as the new password, then gained access to her yahoo account, etc. He was too stupid to know how to download the webmail to his computer, btw.)

I think that with Yahoo you have to be able to answer the security questions first before it will reset your password.

The suggestion about answering with non-sequiturs is spot on.

I always make stuff on the fly. Even when they ask for a birth date. No one needs your birthdate for a web site.

Like the question, Q: what was the make of your first car? A: Tonka. (Even that is guessable.)

A number of members of this 'community' were already under investigation for threats of terrorism in connection with the CoS thing. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this explode into a way bigger fiasco.

re: #77 Cognito

However, it is incumbent on him to make a public statement that he did not authorize this and wishes all the sites and people who were in violation of the law to be prosecuted. Since has not done so yet, he may well find himself on the wrong side of stuff. The first thing you do when somebody does this is to issue a statement that you do not support this sort of action and the breach of the law. His silence on this is potentially harming him, no matter if his official organization had a part or not.

re: #239 Viking6

If these were the original screen shots provided by the "hacker(s)" then it is highly probable that they used the proxy site to conduct their hack. Pretty amateurish.

If you read rubico10's posts that Malkin's got that is exactly what he did - altho he laments 'only one'. From the way I read things currently, I think that Chicago server is the proxy site. However, also at Michelle's, the owner of the proxy site is apparently going thru his logs to find the actual ip address of this doofus.

Which makes me wonder why on earth the Feds are calling AP. Morons.

re: #236 wahabicorridor
Hi wahabi! I posted that information at #217 above!
GMTA!
Hope you're doing well!

Obama doesn't care at all about "denouncing" unethical behavior, nor does the media. Why? Because a) it gives free exposure to Palin b) it generates sympathy and indignation for Palin c) they are all for any devilment that targets their rivals and, d) they are so adept with rationalizations, that they can believe Palin deserves it and worse for daring to stand against them

re: #234 williwonka

The charge is very serious. Every serious charge should be investigated. It is the seriousness of the charge that is of importance, not the existence of proof or even probability of an event having taken place.

Poor Scooter :(

re: #243 wahabicorridor

If you read rubico10's posts that Malkin's got that is exactly what he did - altho he laments 'only one'. From the way I read things currently, I think that Chicago server is the proxy site. However, also at Michelle's, the owner of the proxy site is apparently going thru his logs to find the actual ip address of this doofus.

Which makes me wonder why on earth the Feds are calling AP. Morons.

You follow up every lead in an investigation. AP has access and information pertaining to the crime.

Well sorry y'all but I gotta go eat some lunch. Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

re: #207 J.S.

The fact is that any site who published these emails is in violation of the law. I hope the FBI and SS have enough sense to get an injunction forbidding Google from purging its cache.

re: #244 realwest

Hi wahabi! I posted that information at #217 above!
GMTA!
Hope you're doing well!

We're dandy. Very busy. The only reason I've time to post today is that I'm waiting for a bunch of email responses. I think it's called 'putting the monkey on the other guy's desk'.

re: #24 FrogMarch

anonymous /b/tards = proggie children.

Red Guard thugs. The left has liberated them from conscience and honor, from truth, from decency. They are very close to readiness for positions in the brave new world: enforcers, informers, camp guards.

re: #243 wahabicorridor

I am not certain what has happened with the AP. I assume that they were responsible for dissemination of the private email information to other parties. In my experience working with the USSS over a number of years is that they are not requesting the data for shits and grins. In investigating any crime there are always data points that are not readliy understanble to some one outside of the investigation but have great value to the investigation and will aid in the solution of the crime.

re: #240 Syrah

Yes. What got S. Palin was that she must have answered all the questions honestly...(o the irony)...

re: #202 faraway

It finally loaded. Guess too many lizards were hunting and reading it. Thanks.

And that exposes their hypocrisy and the depths the dems will plunge to attain power.

re: #249 Shr_Nfr

The fact is that any site who published these emails is in violation of the law. I hope the FBI and SS have enough sense to get an injunction forbidding Google from purging its cache.

Oh, I hope so.

You know, if this had been done to, say, Michelle Obama or Joe Biden--can you even imagine the hysteria, the wailing and gnashing of teeth? The story would be Ad Nauseum with speculations rampant, calls for inquisition and unending slanders of everyone on the Right.

The double standard, the hypocrisy, the sheer ruthlessness and mendacity being revealed is just sickening, breathtaking.

re: #252 Viking6

I am not certain what has happened with the AP. I assume that they were responsible for dissemination of the private email information to other parties

So why not go after gawker?

Via Glenn
Memo to US Secret Service: Net proxy may pinpoint Palin email hackers

The 25-year-old webmaster and entrepreneur is the operator of Ctunnel.com, the browsing proxy service used by the group that hacked into the vice presidential candidate's personal email account and exposed its contents to the world. While he has yet to examine his logs, he says there's a good chance they will lead to those responsible, thanks to some carelessness on their part.

"Usually, this sort of thing would be hard to track down because it's Yahoo email, and a lot of people use my service for that," he told El Reg in a phone interview. "Since they were dumb enough to post a full screenshot that showed most of the [Ctunnel.com] URL, I should be able to find that in my log."

Ramuglia got into the proxy business a few years ago, after schools began blocking access to an online game site he used to co-own. Pretty soon, people began using the proxy service to access YouTube, Gmail, MySpace, and dozens of other sites that are routinely blocked by IT departments.

re: #249 Shr_Nfr

Indeed. And time is running out...

Surfing around the Lefty blogs today, it seems that the common view of this story is that because there was nothing incriminating found then the "hacker" was really a Republican operative and that Palin knew all about it. The whole "so called hacking" was really a Rovian stunt to make Palin seem like a victim.

/...and if it wasn't, well, then the b!tch deserved it for supporting FISA.

re: #234 williwonka

The charge is very serious. Every serious charge should be investigated. It is the seriousness of the charge that is of importance, not the existence of proof or even probability of an event having taken place.

Good thing nobody has accused you of being a child molester, then.

In this particular case, its seems pretty likely that a throrough investigation will be done. I doubt it will lead to Obama's doorstep, but if it does, we'll probably hear about it.

re: #188 Jinx
Dems published Palin's Social Security Number

"500 Internal Server Error"

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This is dangerous, loathesome, and the wrath of all of us needs to shut down Democratic emails, phone lines, we need to raise absolute HELL about this crap

I'm late to the party, but Sharmuta was all over this last night. Hope she gets a hat tip...