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Tenn. Democratic Representative's Son Focus of Palin Email Hacking

Politics | Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:01:35 pm PDT

It’s not a good idea to break into a vice presidential candidate’s email account: State rep says son focus of Palin e-mail hacking rumors.

NASHVILLE - State Rep. Mike Kernell said today that he was aware of Internet rumors about his son being the subject of speculation that he accessed the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Asked whether he or his son, a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville, had been contacted by authorities investigating the break-in of Palin’s account, he responded: “Me, no.”

As far as his 20-year-old son, David, he said: “I can’t say. That doesn’t mean he has or hasn’t (been contacted by investigators).”

Kernell, D-Memphis, cited the father-son relationship.

Note: there was really no “hacking” involved here. Just some good guesses combined with publicly available information, used to trick Yahoo’s password reset feature into assigning a new password to the account.

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1 pegcity  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:02:42pm

yeah no connection to Obama at all

2 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:02:52pm

You're kidding! A Democrat?

3 Skywarner  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:03:39pm

Heh, a dem did the hacking? Who would have thunk it? I'm sure this will make the top of the Olberboy amateur news hour...

4 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:03:59pm

As Gomer would say,"SUPRISE,SUPRISE, SUPRISE!

5 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:02pm

This Hacking Into The Private E-Mail Of A U.S. Citizen Is Brought To You By The Political Party Against Invasions Of Privacy!

6 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:08pm

I guess his dad forgot to give him the 35 cents to call home?

7 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:23pm

he's gonna find out why they call it "the slammer"

8 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:32pm

...The best part is that he is quoted as saying he didn't find any evidence that the account was used improperly (as in for secure state business). I noted this yesterday: Many state workers (me included) have a personal e-mail account so we don't end up using our work account provided by taxpayer dollars for personal reasons. It appears that Gov. Palin did just that.

...but that won't stop the donks from digging into the manure pile hoping to find a pony inside.

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:37pm

As a father myself, I wonder what he's feeling right about now.

/might explain a few things

10 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:40pm

And the Democrats are accusing Palin of being an irresponsible parent? Maybe this partisan Democrat should be keeping a closer eye on his own kid! (Unless, of course, he encouraged this conduct, in which case we should mount a national effort to unseat him as accessory to a felony).

11 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:04:55pm

its a democrat? just a youthful prank, no big deal, I imagine, community service, a slap on the wrist. Nothing to see here, move along

12 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:05:34pm

Actually ! If this isn't prime time news to the MAN ...I think a
conspiracy investigation would be order!
i

13 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:05:58pm

A clod off the old muckraker!

14 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:06:05pm

re: #5 WrathofG-d

re: #5 WrathofG-d

This Hacking Into The Private E-Mail Of A U.S. Citizen Is Brought To You By The Political Party Against Invasions Of Privacy!

Good point. I thought only George Bush and the NSA were reading citizens' email.

15 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:06:07pm

re: #9 pre-Boomer Marine brat
As a mother of 5 i'm sure pretty damn bad. Still, after the beating Sara has taken it's almost justice.

16 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:06:28pm

re: #12 reloadingisnotahobby

Actually ! If this isn't prime time news to the MAN ...I think a
conspiracy investigation would be order!
i

MSN ! oops!

17 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:07pm

The Watergate of the Obama campaign?

Please G-d let it be so.

18 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:07pm

re: #16 reloadingisnotahobby

MSN ! oops!

Is there a difference?

19 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:15pm

What Upsets Me The Most Is How This Democrat Party Operative Has Complete Destroyed The U.S. Constitution And Is Stealing All Of Our Rights.

/borrowed a page....

20 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:21pm

re: #13 JCM
Be interesting to see what Dad advocates as a representative?

21 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:21pm

And here I thought this was just going to be a wicked rumor.

22 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:22pm

Those democrats- always concerned with the civil liberties of others and culture of corruption, but when it comes to looking at themselves for these things, the mirrors go under the bus.

Hypocrisy- they name is democrat.

23 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:26pm

Obviously the Dalibama didn't authorize or have knowledge of the break in, but it will be fun using old cliches this week.

What did Obama know and when did he know it.
Can Obama prove that he didn't have prior knowledge.
So apparently BHO wants to shred the constitution.

24 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:07:28pm

An Ode to Democrats, for your listening pleasure.

Sing it for us, Patsy

25 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:08:01pm

re: #17 neocon hippie
It's the Dem party silly, It will go under the rug as dust.

26 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:08:33pm

The 64¢ question is perhaps, will the self-inflating little twit learn any sort of positive lesson from this?

27 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:08:52pm
Be interesting to see what Dad advocates as a representative?

The other thread has links to his main legistative proposal....allowing people to change the gender on their birth certificates. Moonbat to the mostest!

28 calcajun  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:07pm

This is a story that will last a few more days. If the "hacker" turns out to be this Representative's son, then there will be a lot of grist for the GOP mill.

McCain is already hitting BHO on the Fannie Mae business--and that is a charge that is going to stick. Can't wait to see the Jamie Goerlick commercial--she ran Fannie Mae and helped pick Joe Biden.

29 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:10pm

Was Rove Behind This?

/isn't he behind everything sinister?

Is this the 1st Step Against A Culture Of Corruption?

30 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:34pm

re: #20 willowone

Be interesting to see what Dad advocates as a representative?

I'd bet it was casual dinner table talk, "I wonder what we can get on Palin" and sonny boy took it literally.

31 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:35pm

I've been trying to find that Leftwing Redneck blog someone mentioned on the last thread. I think it's LeftwingCracker:[Link: leftwingcracker.blogspot.com...]

Kernell is on the blogroll.

32 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:46pm
State Rep. Mike Kernell said today that he was aware of Internet rumors about his son being the subject of speculation that he accessed the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Does anyone besides me regard that as one of the most confusing lead paras ever written?

33 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:09:47pm

This is so typical of the Right Wing Hate Machine...

/oh wait....

34 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:10:01pm

re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The 64¢ question is perhaps, will the self-inflating little twit learn any sort of positive lesson from this?

The man is keeping him down!
/

35 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:10:35pm
There was a Kernell named dave
Who's hacking dug his own grave
Now he got him a file
and he "hacked " for a while
but his prison cell bars never gave
36 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:10:59pm

re: #24 Intrepid

What a fine fine song

It does not remind me of politics, personally

what a fine singer

a favorite of my wife too

37 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:15pm

you know, we take the high road and dems are always crawling in the gutter.

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:22pm
39 WrathofG-d  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:24pm

re: #34 JCM

Before or after he gets away with it?

40 Darth_K  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:25pm

This all seems very odd to me. Why would the Governor of Alaska conduct state business using an unsecured, free email service? Weird. In any case, cybercrime like this sort of break-in should be treated like the equivalent of white-collar burglary.

41 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:26pm

"whose" PIMF

/oy

42 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:57pm

re: #31 Pvt Bin Jammin

I've been trying to find that Leftwing Redneck blog someone mentioned on the last thread. I think it's LeftwingCracker:[Link: leftwingcracker.blogspot.com...]

Kernell is on the blogroll.

Yep that's it! It was mentioned in the comments of the blog Mandy linked to in the last thread. The comment said something about Mike Kernell's association with "leftwingredneck" and how this "LWRN" worked for Obama.

Thanks for finding that!

43 freedomplow  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:11:58pm

DemoHack

44 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:05pm
Kernell, D-Memphis, cited the father-son relationship

What ?

45 kynna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:09pm

Is Obama still silent on this?

Will the MSM be silent? (silly question)

Will the dem rep be thrown under the bus?

46 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:23pm
A first-hand account reported by the Associated Press suggested her account was vulnerable because a hacker was able to impersonate her online and obtain her passord [sic].

...

Using those details, the hacker tricked Yahoo Inc.'s service into assigning a new password, "popcorn," for Palin's e-mail account

The hacker "impersonated" Palin, and "tricked" Yahoo. Different words for "hacked." How about "lied" and "broke in."

47 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:29pm

re: #27 Dave the.....

maybe we should send his son this site? I'm sure he'll have a future Job in Obamas party[Link: www.house.gov...]

48 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:30pm

Just boys, being boys, no harm, no foul, etc....Own and own and own will be the msm mantra. Remember Michael Steele?! @ donk operative stole his credit report. If it had been some repub hacking into obambis' stuff, the media would be in full throated howl with foam flying from their muzzles.

49 mailmars  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:42pm

re: #37 nyc redneck

you know, we take the high road and dems are always crawling in the gutter.

Unfortunately, the high road does not win elections....

50 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:42pm

This kid got the idea in his head the Sarah Palin had used her yahoo account for state business from other leftist, so he went out trying to be their big hero in bringing her down. It was all for nought. He didn't find squat.

That's the left's plan for America in a nut shell- do our bidding for us and you'll be rewarded with squat.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:47pm

re: #15 willowone

As a mother of 5 i'm sure pretty damn bad. Still, after the beating Sara has taken it's almost justice.

I would. You would. But I'm not so sure about this father. Yes, he's probably feeling REALLY bad about all the negative attention.

Per posts on the prior thread, this guy co-sponsored a bill to let gender be changed on birth certificates. Sounds awfully relativistic to me, which means he ultimately has no principles which he has to answer to. (Note the italics.)

52 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:12:52pm

Geez ! I just realized that when I was a "minor" HACKING
was "hot boxing" a joint!
My, how things have change!
No wonder I'm going in for my first pair
of bifocals tomorrow!
Man , I just killed my own buzz!

53 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:02pm
This all seems very odd to me. Why would the Governor of Alaska conduct state business using an unsecured, free email service? Weird. In any case, cybercrime like this sort of break-in should be treated like the equivalent of white-collar burglary.

Wasn't state business. It was personal use. The little Democrat was looking for dirt but was dissapointed when he only found some idle chit chat and family photos.

54 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:16pm

re: #32 Dianna

What he should have said:

"He was aware of rumors that his son committed a federal offense, a felony no less. "Just sowing those wild oats", said the proud papa.

55 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:17pm

re: #40 Darth_K

Why? Because she just wants to get things done,

& in her world people are actually nice.

56 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:23pm

re: #42 Intrepid

You're very welcome.

57 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:26pm

imagine the firestorm that would descend if a Republican Rep's son hacked Biden's e-mail. We would hear about it the rest of our lives.

58 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:27pm

Dalibama...

Nice one, Dave the...!

59 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:33pm
60 hl mencken  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:34pm

Does anyone think for one moment that were the tables turned (Biden's emails hacked, GOP Tenn rep.'s son) that this wouldn't be all over tonight's evening news, that OLbermann wouldn't devote his entire ridiculous show to it, that it wouldn't be on the front page of the LA Times, NY Times, etc? You'd hear the word "Watergate" only about six hundred or so time, too.

Palin? Dem's kid? Yawn, nope, no story here, folks, keep moving along......

61 Red Cloud  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:35pm

It. Is. Alive.

Now to see just how long the MSM can ignore it.

62 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:41pm

It was just a joke, right? I mean, sheesh, it cant be nearly as bad as running for veep and having your daughter getting knocked up outside marriage, right?

/

63 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:13:46pm

re: #30 JCMright .
Dad."i sure wish we could find Palins Roast recipe"

Son, "i can do, Dad, what a great idea."

64 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:11pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

The hacker "impersonated" Palin, and "tricked" Yahoo. Different words for "hacked." How about "lied" and "broke in."

And don't forget "Identity Theft"!

65 Thanos  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:29pm

Obama likes his plumbers young.

66 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:31pm

The Young Kernell showed a lot of huuuubris

67 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:33pm

re: #53 Dave the.....

Wasn't state business. It was personal use. The little Democrat was looking for dirt but was dissapointed when he only found some idle chit chat and family photos.

That's what I get a kick out of. The woman is squeaky clean.

Does she have a sister?

68 kynna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:40pm

re: #40 Darth_K

This all seems very odd to me. Why would the Governor of Alaska conduct state business using an unsecured, free email service? Weird. In any case, cybercrime like this sort of break-in should be treated like the equivalent of white-collar burglary.

Um ... she wasn't. The criminal who stole her e-mail password proved that.

Next?

69 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:47pm

re: #26 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The 64¢ question is perhaps, will the self-inflating little twit learn any sort of positive lesson from this?

Federal sentencing guidelines call for 18-24 months in prison, where "popcorn" can make lots of new friends.

/and then there'll be a civil suit by the Palins

70 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:54pm

re: #40 Darth_K

This all seems very odd to me. Why would the Governor of Alaska conduct state business using an unsecured, free email service? Weird. In any case, cybercrime like this sort of break-in should be treated like the equivalent of white-collar burglary.

She wasn't- the only thing they found were personal notes and pics of the family. From the hackers own keyboard...

Earlier it was just some prank to me, I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be, just like all of you anon out there that you think there was some missed opportunity of glory, well there WAS NOTHING, I read everything, every little blackberry confirmation… all the pictures, and there was nothing

read more here

71 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:14:58pm

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat


good point.

72 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:07pm

re: #31 Pvt Bin Jammin

Oh Lordy Mercy! This dude is heavily supporting Rep Steve Cohen (D, duh), who, in his House floor speech, made those immortal words, "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor".

73 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:24pm
74 faraway  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:15:24pm

Fight The Palin Smears has a video of dad

75 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:09pm

re: #67 Noam Sayin'
she does, but just went through a horrid divorce, However i have 5 kids, winks, (kidding)

76 Alouette  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:20pm

re: #40 Darth_K

This all seems very odd to me. Why would the Governor of Alaska conduct state business using an unsecured, free email service? Weird. In any case, cybercrime like this sort of break-in should be treated like the equivalent of white-collar burglary.

That was her personal email, there was nothing on it that had to do with official state business. It was all friends and family stuff.

77 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:23pm

re: #49 mailmars

Unfortunately, the high road does not win elections....

no, often it does not.
but i can't imagine doing the illegal, despicable, under handed shit these assholes engage in.

78 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:24pm

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

does.

79 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:24pm

re: #44 Shug

I was wondering about that, myself. I have no idea what he's talking about.

80 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:26pm

re: #36 Ojoe

She was one of the all-time greats, around these parts.

Huge loss.

81 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:29pm

OT
Obama campaign is still silent -- Glenn Beck live right now. Glenn Beck is also commenting on a commercial Obama made -- an attack ad -- in Spanish. Beck says Obama is "dangerous" -- Beck repeated this charge that Obama is DANGEROUS. Obama is a vicious, malicious LIAR...and Dangerous.

82 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:16:36pm

re: #74 faraway

Fight The Palin Smears has a video of dad

His kid looks like the annoying singer on the freecreditreport.com commercials

83 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:17:10pm

re: #54 quickjustice

What he should have said:

"He was aware of rumors that his son committed a federal offense, a felony no less. "Just sowing those wild oats", said the proud papa.

LOL!

I'm glad he didn't, though.

84 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:17:25pm

re: #40 Darth_K

This all seems very odd to me. Why would the Governor of Alaska conduct state business using an unsecured, free email service? Weird. In any case, cybercrime like this sort of break-in should be treated like the equivalent of white-collar burglary.

SHE DIDN'T!

85 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:17:53pm

re: #74 faraway

Fight The Palin Smears has a video of dad

I love that in the comments"Remember ,your grandmother may read this, so be nice"!
LOLOLOLOL
Like I could!

86 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:18:19pm

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Here's what we are up against. Go to the above link and see what ABC is trying to do. And as far as emailgate goes...they say it is her fault for being incompetent.

87 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:18:50pm

re: #82 Shug

His kid looks like the annoying singer on the freecreditreport.com commercials

whats with the short he's wearing? (the dad, not the kid) he looks like he belongs to The Grand Order Of The Kugles, or something !

88 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:18:55pm

re: #40 Darth_K

She didn't conduct any state 'business' with this account. She has an ak.gov account for such things. Can people not read?

89 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:01pm

re: #20 willowone

Be interesting to see what Dad advocates as a representative?

On the previous thread, there was a post about that.
His dad is sponsoring Tennessee transgender legislation -- to change the registered sex of your child at birth on the certificate.
I thought it was just a joke.
I did the simple Google stuff,
The links are in my post #340.

90 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:16pm

First offense, Daddy is powerful TN Democrat politician, the kid will walk out of the federal courthouse with a slap on the hand. His Daddy will whisper in his ear, "Nice work, son. Too bad you got caught."

91 Nancy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:26pm

re: #40 Darth_K

It was NOT her state business email account. It was her personal email account.

Nothing at all to do with state business.

92 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:29pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

whats with the short he's wearing? (the dad, not the kid) he looks like he belongs to The Grand Order Of The Kugles, or something !

SHIRT ,,, not SHORT ,,, GGGAAAHHHHH

93 Alouette  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:44pm

re: #86 Dave the.....

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Here's what we are up against. Go to the above link and see what ABC is trying to do. And as far as emailgate goes...they say it is her fault for being incompetent.

Let's say some asshole breaks into your house and steals your stuff, and when you call the police they tell you that it's your own fault for buying those cheap locks from Home Depot that are so easy to pick.

94 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:49pm

re: #90 quickjustice

Maybe daddy will be voted out

95 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:19:51pm

re: #86 Dave the.....
Theives broke into your house cause you didn't have enough locks. So it is your fault goblins broke in, not the goblins fault...Right.

96 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:20:02pm

this stupid kid is going to be an instant celebrity.
interviewed by all the msm libs who smile approvingly as they get his story on air.
like it's a funny prank.

97 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:20:14pm

re: #35 Shug

There was a hacker named Dave
Who didn't know how to behave
In prison he'll squeal
Praying for his appeal
How he rues the day he hit "save"

98 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:20:26pm

re: #67 Noam Sayin'

That's what I get a kick out of. The woman is squeaky clean.

Does she have a sister?

Yes, but she's married, too.

And she's named Heather, which always worries me.

99 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:20:55pm
100 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:02pm

re: #40 Darth_K "conduct state business " no.. and what says YOU to Saras social security number given out a couple of weeks ago?ONLINE?

101 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:28pm

re: #89 jwb7605

On the previous thread, there was a post about that.
His dad is sponsoring Tennessee transgender legislation -- to change the registered sex of your child at birth on the certificate.
I thought it was just a joke.
I did the simple Google stuff,
The links are in my post #340.


Change the sex of your child at birth?
Did I read that right?
I'm outta here!

102 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:31pm

Me, I wanna see Gawker and Nick Denton go down. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
;)

103 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:32pm

re: #86 Dave the.....

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Here's what we are up against. Go to the above link and see what ABC is trying to do. And as far as emailgate goes...they say it is her fault for being incompetent.

The msm is really making me sick with their blatant misogyny. Yes ABC- blame the victim. That's what rapists do.

104 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:48pm

re: #72 Intrepid
Good find.
I'm anxious to look into it myself but have to make a quick trip to the post office.

bbl

105 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:50pm

i need a glass of wine.

106 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:21:55pm

re: #93 Alouette

Or you are raped because you wore stilettos to the club.

107 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:22:12pm

re: #103 Sharmuta
That's the analogy I was trying to think of.

108 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:22:34pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

The msm is really making me sick with their blatant misogyny. Yes ABC- blame the victim. That's what rapists do.


"Better put some ice on that"

109 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:22:39pm

re: #82 Shug

His kid looks like the annoying singer on the freecreditreport.com commercials

I like those songs!

110 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:22:47pm

re: #90 quickjustice

OTOH, I hope he's alright with giving up a parking space in front of his house for the van with the antennas on the top of it.

/heh.

111 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:22:48pm

re: #103 Sharmuta thank you for saying it.

112 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:04pm

re: #105 nyc redneck

i need a glass of wine.

Wine won't cut it !
Have you anything stronger?
Oh! Please?

113 winston06  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:05pm
Note: there was really no “hacking” involved here. Just some good guesses combined with publicly available information, used to trick Yahoo’s password reset feature into assigning a new password to the account.

Yeah but does he not need the old password to get a new one?

114 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:05pm

Not often a politician has to show Roman virtue and hold his son to the rule of the law. It does not shock me if this man is not up to the role.

115 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:05pm

This is why it is a good idea to make your password reset questions and answers something that's not obvious, and something that not many would be able to answer. Just common sense security.

116 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:16pm

re: #82 Shug

His kid looks like the annoying singer on the freecreditreport.com commercials

Sing with me!

Once I was a basement dwelling computer nerd
I tried to be an operative for the democrat herd
but my hack was busted by some /b/tard white knight
now I'm facing prison time and I'm all afright

should've gone to littlegreenfootballs the blog
I could've seen this turning ugly like a yellow dog
Instead the secret service is knocking on my door
now I will be some dude named bubbas favorite prison whore!

117 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:25pm

I'm so f*cking pissed right now. Where is Mandy?

FUCK YOU ABC!

118 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:32pm

re: #112 reloadingisnotahobby

Go for grappa.

119 jaunte  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:23:58pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Yahoo mail accounts as 'uncovered meat.' MSM is turining into Sheik Hilali.

120 stevieray  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:07pm

Didn't the MSM cover up the contents of a email some Democrat staffer accidentally sent to the Republicans? They said it was "unseemly" to use the contents.

I remember something about five years ago... a strategy paper for undermining President Bush and the WOT.

Anybody else remember the details?

121 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:08pm

re: #90 quickjustice

First offense, Daddy is powerful TN Democrat politician, the kid will walk out of the federal courthouse with a slap on the hand. His Daddy will whisper in his ear, "Nice work, son. Too bad you got caught."

Uhm, I don't think so. You may not be aware of how many Democrat politicians down here in TN have been sent to federal prison the last 3-4 years as part of a fed sting called "Tennessee Waltz". Harold Ford Jr's uncle, ex-Sen. John Ford, is now serving his first of five years for taking bribes from insurance companies to secure his influence in our state insurance program.

And that was in Memphis, where a trial (if it comes to that) would be held, most likely.

So if this shebang does end up as a federal criminal prosecution, he won't be getting any leniency.

122 jaunte  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:27pm

turining= turning.

123 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:37pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

i second that.

124 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:41pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Sing with me!

Once I was a basement dwelling computer nerd
I tried to be an operative for the democrat herd
but my hack was busted by some /b/tard white knight
now I'm facing prison time and I'm all afright

should've gone to littlegreenfootballs the blog
I could've seen this turning ugly like a yellow dog
Instead the secret service is knocking on my door
now I will be some dude named bubbas favorite prison whore!

Many many updings!

125 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:43pm

re: #114 lifeofthemind

Not many Romans left.

126 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:24:48pm

re: #113 winston06

No. Because Sarah Palin answered the questions (the security questions) honestly, does NOT make her "the culprit." For the nth time...unless, of course, you're a KKKos/MSM b/tard.

127 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:00pm

libs are so unscrupulous and indecent.
we shouldn't be shocked at anything this type of enemy does.

128 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:20pm

re: #101 reloadingisnotahobby

Change the sex of your child at birth?
Did I read that right?
I'm outta here!

I can live with the "sex is determined by the individual" argument.
I think the parents determining that after the fact, without consulting the individual, is way over the line.

129 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:32pm

re: #98 Dianna

She has another sister named Molly. Can't remember the birth order.

130 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:37pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

I'm so f*cking pissed right now. Where is Mandy?

FUCK YOU ABC!

she's out buying rope for people to piss up

131 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:45pm

re: #96 nyc redneck

Wait until all their emails get published all over the web. Because the hackers will now think it's cool to do it.

132 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:25:54pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Sing with me!

Once I was a basement dwelling computer nerd
I tried to be an operative for the democrat herd
but my hack was busted by some /b/tard white knight
now I'm facing prison time and I'm all afright

should've gone to littlegreenfootballs the blog
I could've seen this turning ugly like a yellow dog
Instead the secret service is knocking on my door
now I will be some dude named bubbas favorite prison whore!

You are HILARIOUS!
(we love those commercials because my husband calls the loser on there by my daughters ex-fiance's name lol)

133 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:02pm

FOX News is going to talk about this after commercial break.. Heh.

134 jaunte  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:13pm

Goodnight all. Time to go home to the candlelit post-Ike house and light the campfire.

135 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:15pm

Iranian president takes Obama up on offer

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad put Barack Obama on the spot Thursday, offering to debate with both U.S. presidential candidates when he arrives at the United Nations next week for its annual summit.

The fiery Iranian leader, who provoked a storm of controversy when he visited last year, said he would debate global issues at a public forum in UN headquarters if the candidates agreed.

Obama said early in his campaign that, as president, he would be prepared to meet the leaders of U.S. foes such as Iran and Syria.

/mocking him already, and he's not even President yet

136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:18pm

re: #86 Dave the.....

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Here's what we are up against. Go to the above link and see what ABC is trying to do. And as far as emailgate goes...they say it is her fault for being incompetent.

And they're making up the so-called facts of the case as they go.

137 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:33pm

re: #121 Intrepid

I haven't lived in Tennessee for a while. The Ford family was notorious in Memphis for political corruption for a long, long time.

138 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:26:57pm
139 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #113 winston06

Nope. It's a service that allows a user who forgot their password to reset it after answering some security questions based on personal information. Unfortunately, the information she provided was also publicly available to someone who wanted to cause her grief.

140 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:28pm

re: #133 Yankee Division Son

FOX News is going to talk about this after commercial break.. Heh.

What? CNN is missing the "scoop"?
Get outta here!LOL

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:30pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

I'm so f*cking pissed right now. Where is Mandy?

FUCK YOU ABC!

Yes, Mandy does do it with more panache, but you're getting there!

142 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:31pm

For those who are thinking about the disability topic from the last thread, Useless Eaters.

143 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:47pm

re: #112 reloadingisnotahobby

Wine won't cut it !
Have you anything stronger?
Oh! Please?

yes, i've got some really good scotch.
lets try that.

144 pingjockey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:52pm

re: #135 Killian Bundy
Heh. Empty suit debates madman with empty head. Film at 11.

145 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:27:58pm

re: #129 neocon hippie

She has another sister named Molly. Can't remember the birth order.

Head first.

heh.

146 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:28:14pm

These tatics are not unknown to the Obama Campaign.

Obama vs. Ryan

As the campaign progressed, the lawsuit brought by the Chicago Tribune to open child custody files from Ryan's divorce was still continuing. Barack Obama's backers emailed reporters about the divorce controversy, but refrained from on-the-record commentary about the divorce files.[8] On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans' divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan's young child.[9] A few days later, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama changed his position about the Ryans' soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats to not inject them into the campaign.[8]

Obama, in his public statements takes the high road, but Chicago machine operatives did the dirty work.

Sound familiar? Other do the dirty work and smearing, trashing and going after Palin. Obama takes the high road and says family is off limits.

In previous race he used technicalities to disqualify opponents. Obama avoided a straight up election on issue chosing instead political machinations.

Given Obama's history of Chicago politics as usual, why shouldn't I go the conspiracy route and think the whole is was an operation aimed at gaining exactly what the hacker stated he was looking for, official business in personal accounts. But with complete plausible deniablity on Obama's part.

To resurrect an old phrase:
What did Obama know and when did he know it?

147 Nancy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:28:17pm

re: #86 Dave the.....

OK --so it is ABC and other media who are going to use the "lax security" defense --not the kid.

It was just a guess that SOMEONE was going to make that claim --blame the victim not the perpetrator.

148 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:28:36pm

re: #112 reloadingisnotahobby

You're making me jealous.

I'm on a heavy codeine cough syrup and prednisone. No wine for me.

149 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:28:37pm

re: #140 reloadingisnotahobby

Who'd a thunk it!

150 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:01pm

re: #119 jaunte

Yahoo mail accounts as 'uncovered meat.' MSM is turining into Sheik Hilali.

The other night somebody was recommending some link which required signing up to Yahoo.
Cause seemed worthy, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.
Now I know why I was nervous about it.

When (not if) the public figures out how easy it is to bypass Yahoo, I expect the stock to really tank, and Microsoft to lower the bid price.

And if I were Yahoo, I'd jump at the offer.

151 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:06pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

I'm so f*cking pissed right now. Where is Mandy?

FUCK YOU ABC!

they are such a bunch of assholes.
disgusting.

152 Shug  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:10pm
David Fooled Yahoo
will he have the same good luck
in prison showers?
153 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:10pm

re: #132 Typicalwhitey

From what I hear, the sodomy cell at the Atlanta federal pen is not a nice place.

On the other hand, the kid probably qualifies as a white collar criminal, and will end up at a minimum security federal prison camp if he does time.

154 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:48pm
155 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:52pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

If it does prove to be the same person (who posted those comments at that b/tard site), IF this is the "hacker" -- then this person 1) knew precisely what he was doing 2) admits to knowing the Feds might be after him 3) and mentions that his intentions were to get the goods on Palin (malicious intent)...etc.

156 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:29:53pm

Stupid politics.

BBL

157 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:01pm

re: #143 nyc redneck

yes, i've got some really good scotch.
lets try that.

It's 5:28 pm.......2 min... I'm good ta go!
Have a great weekend ..I'm on 4 .10's so GOODNIGHT ALL!
Thanks for the shooters!
Ummm... Double malt!

158 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:19pm

re: #113 winston06

Nope; that's a constant issue.

You forget your password, they ask you the security questions, and most of us use things that really wouldn't be that hard to discover.

159 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:35pm

re: #153 quickjustice

Yeah I know
I just like to make up smartass limericks
;)

160 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:40pm

re: #151 nyc redneck

they are such a bunch of assholes.
disgusting.

as a longtime card carrying member of the AssHole Union, I resent being lumped in with ABC

161 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:44pm
162 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:44pm

re: #125 Ojoe

Not many Romans left.

Tried to find the passage and couldn't, anyone know if it is in Livy or Plutarch? THe Roman general who announced a strict rule on camp discipline so he could surprise the enemy. No sooner did he finish speaking than his own son rode into camp with a dead enemy soldier across a captured horse. The Father sentanced his son to death.

163 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:54pm

re: #137 quickjustice

I haven't lived in Tennessee for a while. The Ford family was notorious in Memphis for political corruption for a long, long time.

Well, John got his due, and his sister Ophelia was appointed to his seat. And she proceeded to go absolutely nuts.

The only one of the whole bunch that is even halfway decent is Harold Jr.

164 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:30:57pm

re: #86 Dave the.....

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Here's what we are up against. Go to the above link and see what ABC is trying to do. And as far as emailgate goes...they say it is her fault for being incompetent.

Some real idiot commenters there, too:

Barkingdoggy: If the communications connections were that bad she should have had them upgraded. After all, she has practically run her office during her entire term from her living room. "Well sure I ran for Governor but I didn't think that would mean I'd have to move to the state CAPITAL!" DUH Palin is a birdbrain...I can see a Pep Boys from my apartment so I guess that means I can rebuild a transmission?
Posted by:
MoonTwpMan 6:01 PM

165 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:31:03pm

re: #156 Ojoe

Poohy Single malt please!
Thnak uyo ...I've had enouhg!

166 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:31:14pm

ahh, the Left....classy as usual.

167 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:31:22pm

The thing that cracks me up is - the twit admits that there was absolutely nothing in the emails - so he posts them anyhow?!?! I mean, you're going to commit a felony and go away for 18-2/4 months over family photos and a "hang in there" email from a friend? What a dumb ass.

168 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:31:43pm

re: #146 JCM

What did Obama know and when did he know it?

It does give a new twist to the use of "plumber" up-thread.

169 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:06pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

as a longtime card carrying member of the AssHole Union, I resent being lumped in with ABC

I am hacking your email account as we speak.
Your best date was named "lefty"....correct?

170 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:12pm

Stupid Entertainment Tonight - they're going to do a story about Palin's breast size.

171 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:24pm

Even if it wasn't "hacking" - it was hacking. Just because the door was unlocked, doesn't mean the democrat didn't come in and steal it.

Is the new media meme - "It's Sarah's fault for not have a clever pass word"?

172 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:38pm

Rapists blame their victims. ABC has now given credence to this line of defense.

There is only one thing I can think of that's more misogynistic than blaming a woman for bring a crime upon herself,and that's FGM.

It's utterly disgusting. ABC should be ashamed of themselves.

173 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:40pm
174 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:32:43pm

re: #148 Dianna

You're making me jealous.

I'm on a heavy codeine cough syrup and prednisone. No wine for me.

Ouch!
Take good care of yourself.

175 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:33:09pm

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

What boobs.

There goes the thread...

176 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:33:20pm

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

Stupid Entertainment Tonight - they're going to do a story about Palin's breast size.

WHAT?!

177 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:33:45pm

re: #169 Typicalwhitey

I am hacking your email account as we speak.
Your best date was named "lefty"....correct?

lemme see ,,, she's the one with the hairy palms ,, rifght ?

178 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:00pm

Can I start a businees in which I sell people tested passwords?

I'll call it "Trust Me"

179 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:09pm

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

Stupid Entertainment Tonight - they're going to do a story about Palin's breast size.

Masses of hollywood worshipers are clueless and useless.

180 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:17pm

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

Stupid Entertainment Tonight - they're going to do a story about Palin's breast size.

now THERE's a story I could sink my teeth into !

181 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:24pm

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

Stupid Entertainment Tonight - they're going to do a story about Palin's breast size.

I see a Constitutional Amendment for adding that to the qualifications for POTUS.
/////////

182 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:29pm

re: #172 Sharmuta

Rapists blame their victims. ABC has now given credence to this line of defense.

There is only one thing I can think of that's more misogynistic than blaming a woman for bring a crime upon herself,and that's FGM.

It's utterly disgusting. ABC should be ashamed of themselves.

Even the hacker kid said that there wasn't any "there" there in her email.

183 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:50pm

re: #179 FrogMarch

Masses of hollywood worshipers are clueless and useless.

Obama voters.

184 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:57pm
Stupid Entertainment Tonight - they're going to do a story about Palin's breast size.

If I ever run for office, In wonder if they will do a report on the size of my....ummmm.....ohhh nevermind.

185 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:34:59pm

re: #167 PAgirlinNC

The thing that cracks me up is - the twit admits that there was absolutely nothing in the emails - so he posts them anyhow?!?! I mean, you're going to commit a felony and go away for 18-2/4 months over family photos and a "hang in there" email from a friend? What a dumb ass.

That's precisely what makes him so pathetic, and why I have doubts about his father. The boy is totally self-absorbed. Gee, where did he learn that?

186 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:01pm

SHE ASKED FOR IT.


There we go - the New DNC/MSM meme.

187 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:04pm
188 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:06pm

Why me?
/watches thread dissolve

189 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:14pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

Obama voters.

Speaking of massive boobs.

190 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:15pm

re: #181 JCM

I see a Constitutional Amendment for adding that to the qualifications for POTUS.
/////////

C-cup minimum?

191 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:16pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

Obama voters.

Indeed.

192 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:27pm

re: #178 lifeofthemind

Can I start a businees in which I sell people tested passwords?

I'll call it "Trust Me"

I'd buy one but I'm a little short on cash, I sent mine to a Nigerian Prince as so as he comes through I buy some!

193 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:35:38pm

re: #166 Ringo the Gringo

I like the comments. One guy supporting the Palin was for the bridge to nowhere used huffington as a source.

194 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:36:04pm

re: #171 FrogMarch

It wasn't Sarah's password....that wasn't how the security was breached..The problem lies with Yahoo's email system -- it enables ANYONE to claim "hey, I lost my password, I think I need a new one" -- so you enter info to get a new password (you answer Yahoo's so-called security questions, such as "What is your birthdate?" all the questions and the answers are available -- if you're a public figure -- Sarah's birthdate, place of birth, everything, is out there...the hacker claims it only took him 45 minutes to get a "new" password (of his choosing). Anyway, the problem is with honest people (like Sarah) who when asked a "security" question, answer honestly...they give the correct info...Thus, the real problem is that Sarah was too honest...that's the bottom line.

195 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:36:05pm

re: #182 Ward Cleaver

Even the hacker kid said that there wasn't any "there" there in her email.

It's beyond that, Ward. ABC is basically saying she had it coming. That's what rapists say.

196 Perplexed  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:36:13pm

Both the Secret Service and FBI are looking into this. Seems that the hacker and anyone who posted the stolen emails could be liable for some time in the cross bar hotel. Just because they can hack/social engineer their way into someone's email account, shows their incredible lack of regard for another's privacy. I wonder if the hackers would like to have their life laid open for all to see on the internet.

Hypocrite, thy name is democrat. We've had leaked/recorded cell phone conversations, stolen email accounts, etc all from the 'rats who whine the most about government intrusion into the lives of terrorists.

197 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:36:53pm

I'm sorry, you're going to think I'm a prude, but can we knock off acting as if prison rape is funny?

The kid deserves jail time. Actions have consequences. But rape is vile, and it makes me cringe to see people treating it as a joke.

198 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:37:18pm
199 samhein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:37:33pm

re: #93 Alouette

Let's say some asshole breaks into your house and steals your stuff, and when you call the police they tell you that it's your own fault for buying those cheap locks from Home Depot that are so easy to pick.

Hey....not so funny. A few years back, a few of my neighbors (very rural neighborhood) and I were having problems with livestock being let loose or stolen, barns being broken in to, and one person had a car stripped in the drive. The comment from the cops, and I quote: "if you people didn't have such neat stuff in this neighborhood, you probably wouldn't be having these problems." NO JOKE!

200 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:08pm

Wish I could get into my Amazon account this easy. Cannot remember the password and they keep denying my prompt info. lol.

201 Iron Fist  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:18pm

re: #194 J.S.

It wasn't Sarah's password....that wasn't how the security was breached..The problem lies with Yahoo's email system -- it enables ANYONE to claim "hey, I lost my password, I think I need a new one" -- so you enter info to get a new password (you answer Yahoo's so-called security questions, such as "What is your birthdate?" all the questions and the answers are available -- if you're a public figure -- Sarah's birthdate, place of birth, everything, is out there...the hacker claims it only took him 45 minutes to get a "new" password (of his choosing). Anyway, the problem is with honest people (like Sarah) who when asked a "security" question, answer honestly...they give the correct info...Thus, the real problem is that Sarah was too honest...that's the bottom line.


So you are saying that this would never be a problem for Democrats?

:-P

202 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:19pm

re: #194 J.S.

It wasn't Sarah's password....that wasn't how the security was breached..The problem lies with Yahoo's email system -- it enables ANYONE to claim "hey, I lost my password, I think I need a new one" -- so you enter info to get a new password (you answer Yahoo's so-called security questions, such as "What is your birthdate?" all the questions and the answers are available -- if you're a public figure -- Sarah's birthdate, place of birth, everything, is out there...the hacker claims it only took him 45 minutes to get a "new" password (of his choosing). Anyway, the problem is with honest people (like Sarah) who when asked a "security" question, answer honestly...they give the correct info...Thus, the real problem is that Sarah was too honest...that's the bottom line.

thank you for the clarification.

Sarah is too honest. I bet the DNC/MSM won't play that angle.

203 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:43pm

re: #197 Dianna

I'm sorry, you're going to think I'm a prude, but can we knock off acting as if prison rape is funny?

The kid deserves jail time. Actions have consequences. But rape is vile, and it makes me cringe to see people treating it as a joke.

Especially considering ABC's "she had it coming" defense of this kid.

204 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:38:56pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

WHAT?!

Every time they do a segment like this, Sharm, it nets McCain/Palin a couple thousand more votes. Fence-sitters are being barraged by anti-Palin stuff everywhere, and combined with the stupid stuff Obama and Biden have said today ("Get up in their face" and "Taxes are patriotic!") plus some good McCain ads connecting Obama to Frank Raines....

They'll see bullies and thugs on the left. And they'll vote on the right.

205 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:24pm

re: #197 Dianna

I'm sorry, you're going to think I'm a prude, but can we knock off acting as if prison rape is funny?

The kid deserves jail time. Actions have consequences. But rape is vile, and it makes me cringe to see people treating it as a joke.

Agreed. But there is something to be said about teaching these kids something about the reality of jail BEFORE they do something stupid. I recall a show called Scared Straight in the 70's. IIRC the kids that went through the program NEVER got in trouble after, even though they were all high risk teens

206 vibemanjoe  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:29pm

I understand he was a student at UT in Knoxville (please correct if bad info). I wonder what the university's policy is for committing a crime using university property.

207 Dave the.....  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:47pm

That rape defense was used locally here a few years ago. A college girl got drunk, passed out in her dorm room with the door open. The defense attorney said "....and my client took advantage of the situation".

208 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:48pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

It's beyond that, Ward. ABC is basically saying she had it coming. That's what rapists say.

You got it.
The DNC media is misogynistic. and left-wing. Lucky us.

209 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:52pm

re: #201 Iron Fist

Exactly. For pathological liars like Obama -- the problem for him would probably be not remembering his latest/last lie...thus locking himself out of his own email account.

210 mattm  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:54pm

His professors must be proud.

211 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:39:59pm

re: #197 Dianna

I'm sorry, you're going to think I'm a prude, but can we knock off acting as if prison rape is funny?

The kid deserves jail time. Actions have consequences. But rape is vile, and it makes me cringe to see people treating it as a joke.

And I still refer you to my reply on the previous thread.

212 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:00pm
213 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:21pm

You know I can get into your house with just a $4 glass cutter. I think I'll go in and empty your house for your own good. Just to prove to you that you should be less cheap and lazy and get better security. Oh and about the empty fridge and the pregnant dog, well we creative types have needs you know?

214 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:22pm

Work to win. The scales can be balanced if we work to win. Consequences will come due if we work to win. Work to win.

215 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:27pm

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's precisely what makes him so pathetic, and why I have doubts about his father. The boy is totally self-absorbed. Gee, where did he learn that?

He's 20.

Don't you remember how self-absorbed you were? I remember thinking I was the cleverest person ever!

Fortunately, this didn't last long, and I managed not to do myself too much damage in the learning process.

216 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:29pm

re: #204 Intrepid

Do we even want to take bets on whether the MSM mentions what political party the kid's dad is affiliated with when (if) they report the story?

217 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:52pm

re: #178 lifeofthemind

Can I start a businees in which I sell people tested passwords?

I'll call it "Trust Me"

Thanks - "trust me". Can you suggest a number to go with it?

218 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:40:58pm

Pop goes the Weasel.

219 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:41:12pm

yes, Yes, YES

WATCH THIS AD

220 whiterasta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:41:56pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

They have the same mentality in the place formerly known as Great Britain.

The victim is the criminal and the criminal is the victim...

221 FrogMarch  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:41:59pm

shall we sit bakc and watchthe DNC/MSM ingore the Democrat that did this?

mmmm - Democrats are above the law. Isn't America wonderful?
Reminds me of those twat democrats who slashed tires in Milwaukee. Sons of democrats. Criminals and cheats.

222 jacksontn  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:08pm

re: #166 Ringo the Gringo

ahh, the Left....classy as usual.

Would it be wrong to say that I would like to take the owner of that t-shirt store and stick his head in a toilet? That is the most disgusting thing I have seen from those idiots yet. Nick Moskowitz yes a real class act.

223 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:10pm

re: #219 Typicalwhitey

yes, Yes, YES

WATCH THIS AD

DRILL DRILL DRILL !

224 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:44pm

re: #219 Typicalwhitey

Ouch! Thats gonna leave a mark

225 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:48pm

When they lock these crumbs up the sentance should specify no access to any electronic device, not even a telephone and no access to any printed matter written after 1850 except for legal texts.

226 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:42:52pm

re: #219 Typicalwhitey

yes, Yes, YES

WATCH THIS AD

Thanks. Makes my night.

227 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:43:05pm

re: #219 Typicalwhitey

"Perverse executive pay." Good one.

228 Noah's Arrrgh  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:43:23pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

I once left my bicycle, unlocked, by a vegetable stand to run in and grab a couple of potatoes. Two minutes.

I come out, the bike is gone--and I see someone wheeling it down the street. I run up, and--like an idiot--grab it out of his hands, saying, "What the f*ck do you think you're doing?" He lets go, grins, and says, "Hey, man, it's your fault for not locking it up!"

Is there "the rest of the story"? Did this guy just walk away?

229 so.cal.swede  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:43:24pm

re: #194 J.S.

It wasn't Sarah's password....that wasn't how the security was breached..The problem lies with Yahoo's email system -- it enables ANYONE to claim "hey, I lost my password, I think I need a new one" -- so you enter info to get a new password (you answer Yahoo's so-called security questions, such as "What is your birthdate?" all the questions and the answers are available -- if you're a public figure -- Sarah's birthdate, place of birth, everything, is out there...the hacker claims it only took him 45 minutes to get a "new" password (of his choosing). Anyway, the problem is with honest people (like Sarah) who when asked a "security" question, answer honestly...they give the correct info...Thus, the real problem is that Sarah was too honest...that's the bottom line.

Ok i really like Mrs. Palin, but you're giving her WAYYYYYY too much credit.

She wasn't internet savy enough.

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:44:11pm

Dear God! We have to win this election or women will continue to be treated like this for generations because the msm has condoned it with their own behavior. It's OK to run sexist smears and attacks against your opponents- no one blinks!

Believe me- women across this country will think twice about running for office because of this treatment, and it's the entire country who will lose out because many good, honest citizens (who happen to be female) will not want this sort of scrutiny for themselves or their family. And when we lose potentially good civic leaders- we all lose.

Damn them. Damn them all to hell!

231 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:44:14pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

Agreed. But there is something to be said about teaching these kids something about the reality of jail BEFORE they do something stupid. I recall a show called Scared Straight in the 70's. IIRC the kids that went through the program NEVER got in trouble after, even though they were all high risk teens

Actually, as I recall, the rates were good, but not universally positive. Some kids just never do seem to master the concept.

232 LesLein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:44:29pm

re: #151 nyc redneck

they are such a bunch of assholes.
disgusting.

This reminds me of a joke which I read at LGF in 2002 or 2003:

A guy walks into the front of a bar room. He turns and faces the crowd and says: "All lawyers are assholes."

Someone in the back says: "I resent that."

The guy in the front says: "Why, are you a lawyer?"

The guy in the back: "No, I'm an asshole."

233 rightymouse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:44:48pm

All I can say is - keep it up, Dems. You are going down in flames November 4 at this rate.

Palin scares the crap out of them because she's the real McCoy. She's not some empty suit party hack with cotton for brains.

234 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:44:59pm

re: #218 SummerSong

Pop goes the Weasel.

/'cause Obama goes pop

235 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:45:15pm

re: #215 Dianna

He's 20.

Don't you remember how self-absorbed you were? I remember thinking I was the cleverest person ever!

Fortunately, this didn't last long, and I managed not to do myself too much damage in the learning process.

Hmmm.
Being "clever" and breaking a federal law are two completely different things.
He should do jail time.
He PUBLISHED A MINORS PRIVATE CELL PHONE NUMBER.
A 17 year old who is pregnant.

Oh sure, he did that just for "fun" also.
I can imagine the messages she got.
And I hope he does have a cellmate with "issues"

236 so.cal.swede  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:45:17pm

re: #232 LesLein

This reminds me of a joke which I read at LGF in 2002 or 2003:

A guy walks into the front of a bar room. He turns and faces the crowd and says: "All lawyers are assholes."

Someone in the back says: "I resent that."

The guy in the front says: "Why, are you a lawyer?"

The guy in the back: "No, I'm an asshole."


but are all assholes lawyers?

owned by venn diagrams.

237 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:45:59pm

re: #216 PAgirlinNC

Do we even want to take bets on whether the MSM mentions what political party the kid's dad is affiliated with when (if) they report the story?

It was reported in the Tennessean Newspaper, with the dad's political party shown. If they reference that paper at all, they'll see it.

But I don't trust the MSM to do anything within a hundred feet of fairness.

238 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:09pm

I wonder how many times this idiot has soiled himself in the last few hours.

239 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:16pm

re: #211 jwb7605

I fear that we shall have to agree to disagree.

The kid's responsible for his actions, not Gawkers', or the rest of the loons. He's not responsible for his father's curious ideas, though he may be a victim of them.

He deserves jail. He doesn't deserve rape.

240 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:17pm

bottom line is the dems and the dem loving msm are secretly proud of this kind of behavior.
they have such feelings of entitlement they think anything they have to do to get what they want is fine.
they would cheat at anything.

241 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:22pm

re: #219 Typicalwhitey

yes, Yes, YES

WATCH THIS AD

That'll leave, mark.

Obama complaining about racist attack ads not feeding children in... 3... 2...

242 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:29pm

re: #178 lifeofthemind

Can I start a businees in which I sell people tested passwords?

I'll call it "Trust Me"

A bit OT. I had a problem logging in to a book club's web site with Firefox 3 (works fine with Firefox 2 and IE), and reported it. They asked for my username and password. When I said no, they asked if they had permission to reset the password.
Incompetents. To find problems like this, they're supposed to set up their own account for testing. Use up bonus points and leave the book club.
Oh well, good thing I only put Firefox 3 on one machine.
I also reported the problem to Mozilla; they haven't gotten back to me.

Time to feed the dogs. Back in a while.

243 wiffersnapper  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:30pm

Busted!

244 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:35pm

re: #229 so.cal.swede

Oh Please. What are you doing here -- defending the MSM? Blaming Palin? So what if someone's not "internet savvy." So what? That's no excuse for a 20 year old to break into her email account. Can you comprehend this?

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:46:41pm
246 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:47:10pm

re: #231 Dianna

Actually, as I recall, the rates were good, but not universally positive. Some kids just never do seem to master the concept.

I was referring to the original version. Later programs had mixed results

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Teenagers in the 1978 and 1980 documentaries ranged from 15- to 19-year-old repeat offenders of crimes ranging from petty theft and public intoxication to gambling, counterfeiting and racketeering. None of the individuals in the original documentary were ever convicted of a felony

247 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:47:43pm

If the NYT thinks it's okay to publish national secrets, what's wrong with an email or two?
/

248 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:47:52pm

re: #232 LesLein

thanks, i needed that.
lol

249 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:48:08pm

re: #244 J.S.

Oh Please. What are you doing here -- defending the MSM? Blaming Palin? So what if someone's not "internet savvy." So what? That's no excuse for a 20 year old to break into her email account. Can you comprehend this?


well people don't kill people, guns do...sheesh!
/

250 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:48:21pm

re: #247 Irene NYC

Sad but true.

251 whiterasta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:48:38pm

re: #239 Dianna

He deserves jail and he may get rape.

Too bad for a young man. My sympathy meter is about zero, right now.

Play with fire......

252 jacksontn  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:49:20pm

re: #241 JCM

That'll leave, mark.

Obama complaining about racist attack ads not feeding children in... 3... 2...

re: #226 Pullus Iulius

Thanks. Makes my night.

Already claiming RACIST at koskidz on the ad.

253 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:49:40pm

re: #229 so.cal.swede

Ok i really like Mrs. Palin, but you're giving her WAYYYYYY too much credit.

She wasn't internet savy enough.

I resent that comment. It usually takes an honest person getting screwed over to realize that there are people out there who will screw you over. It's a tough way to learn savviness, but it doesn't mean she isn't honest.

254 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:50:04pm

re: #252 jacksontn

Already claiming RACIST at koskidz on the ad.

I'm too old and too slow....
But old age and treachery.......

255 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:50:35pm

re: #252 jacksontn

Why would they call this racist? Corruption has always been equal opportunity.

256 boogberg  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:50:36pm

Re: changing someone's password without their permission

Is what this person did technically illegal?

257 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:50:41pm

Hi Buzz, Jcm, Whitey, Dianna, NYC, Irene, Kosh's and anyone I forgot.

258 Thanos  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:51:13pm

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There's been a big run on McCain Palin Yard signs, they can't keep up folks. I've never seen that before.

259 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:51:28pm

re: #255 vagabond trader

Why would they call this racist? Corruption has always been equal opportunity.

Anything that criticizes The ONE is racist. Don't ask me how it works.

260 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:51:31pm

Hi WLN. Is this the Thursday night drinking thread?
;)

261 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:51:42pm

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

Hi Buzz, Jcm, Whitey, Dianna, NYC, Irene, Kosh's and anyone I forgot.

WLN!

How the recovery coming?

262 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:51:43pm

I'm dying to ask a full-bore Lib if this e-mail thing was OK...

Expecting an answer of "Sure" I can respond "So Watergate was cool by, you?"

/Sort of the left wing version of dividing by zero.

263 rightymouse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:10pm

re: #238 Anthony (Los Angeles)

I wonder how many times this idiot has soiled himself in the last few hours.


Probably quite a bit, now that the reality of his actions are smacking him in the face.

He likely thought it was 'funny' and didn't even consider the consequences. That said, I don't care how young he is - even my 14 year old knows the difference between right and wrong.

264 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:21pm

re: #251 whiterasta

It's not my sympathy meter, exactly. It's the subject.

Anal rape just makes my entire body cringe with fright and disgust.

265 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:23pm

I feel sick.

266 mattm  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:34pm

re: #206 vibemanjoe

I understand he was a student at UT in Knoxville (please correct if bad info). I wonder what the university's policy is for committing a crime using university property.

Well since it was against a republican, i'm sure they will look the other way.

267 xtraBilly  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:52pm

Sigh, a Dem will get a pass.

268 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:52:56pm

re: #256 boogberg

Yes.

269 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:06pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

Is that because you just saw Ahmadinejad on FOX?

That would make anyone sick.

270 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:20pm
271 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:21pm

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

Hi Buzz, Jcm, Whitey, Dianna, NYC, Irene, Kosh's and anyone I forgot.

Hi, back!

272 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:26pm

re: #263 rightymouse

Probably quite a bit, now that the reality of his actions are smacking him in the face.

He likely thought it was 'funny' and didn't even consider the consequences. That said, I don't care how young he is - even my 14 year old knows the difference between right and wrong.

Heck my 3 year old knows. I always know when somethings up, he's under the dinning room table hiding.

273 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:32pm

re: #259 Fat Jolly Penguin

Yeah, should have added the sarc tag. Anyway, I thought this Raines guy was a slimy crook before and I just found out he was black. lol.

274 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:35pm

re: #229 so.cal.swede

Ok i really like Mrs. Palin, but you're giving her WAYYYYYY too much credit.

She wasn't internet savy enough.

So I'm going to come to your house (not really, just an analogy) and break in and steal your private papers, then send copies of them around to the local newspapers. I'll bust through any security system you have, because I know what I'm doing.

You'll get upset, sure. You'll want me prosecuted to the letter of the law! My response? Sorry - you should have had better security or I wouldn't have been able to do that.

Or rather, it's your fault that I broke the law.

But hey, that's a typical leftist belief, because God knows we cannot hold anyone accountable for their own actions! It's always someone else's fault!

275 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:41pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Is that because you just saw Ahmadinejad on FOX?

That would make anyone sick.

No- it's the politics of misogyny making me sick.

276 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:53:50pm

re: #215 Dianna

He's 20.

Don't you remember how self-absorbed you were? I remember thinking I was the cleverest person ever!

Fortunately, this didn't last long, and I managed not to do myself too much damage in the learning process.

YECH! You didn't have to remind me.

It happened by senior year of high school.

277 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:54:04pm

re: #253 Sharmuta

I resent that comment. It usually takes an honest person getting screwed over to realize that there are people out there who will screw you over. It's a tough way to learn savviness, but it doesn't mean she isn't honest.

I agree with you. An honest, ethical and principled person rarely believes that anyone will actually do dishonest and unethical things. They're not stupid - they know that things like this happen, but they just don't believe they would ever be the focus of such antics.

278 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:54:18pm

re: #261 JCM

WLN!

How the recovery coming?


OMG! Walter, what're you recovering from?
(I was out in the country for a while w/o internet.)

279 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:54:20pm

re: #256 boogberg

Re: changing someone's password without their permission

Is what this person did technically illegal?

And stealing and posting their personal messages on the internet?

/yeah, it's called a felony

280 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:54:31pm

re: #253 Sharmuta

re: #229 so.cal.swede

Ok i really like Mrs. Palin, but you're giving her WAYYYYYY too much credit.

She wasn't internet savy enough.


I resent that comment. It usually takes an honest person getting screwed over to realize that there are people out there who will screw you over. It's a tough way to learn savviness, but it doesn't mean she isn't honest.


Not only should she totally understand how web security works, which companies are effective at it, but Palin should be required to know how to do circuit analysis (both analog and digital) and have a deep understanding of "Design Patterns", too.
/////

281 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:54:36pm

re: #197 Dianna

Rape in prison is no joke. It's also extremely common, which is why it's often linked to the prison "experience". Any joking about it is, and must be understood to be, dark humor.

282 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:55:13pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

I feel sick.

i know what you mean. it is very frustrating.

283 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:55:47pm

McCain would be wise to keep away from emails and it makes me wonder if they launched an ad on his lack of email skills because they hunted for some evidence and cam up empty handed

284 xtraBilly  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:55:58pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, Walter! You're in the dramatic arts, yes? If you haven't seen it, check out this.

You are one clever minkey.
Gilbert

285 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:55:58pm

Blame the victim? Gosh, where are those NOW "feminists" when you need them?

/sarc

286 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:02pm

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey it will just end up "dust in the wind"

Youtube Video

287 mailmars  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:07pm

re: #238 Anthony (Los Angeles)

I wonder how many times this idiot has soiled himself in the last few hours.

More times than he can count.. The Secret Service is lead on this one, so he is being grilled by the Secret Service and the FBI techs are tearing his machine apart. I imagine they have had to change interview rooms more than once and the janitors are making a killing in overtime.

288 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:17pm

re: #281 quickjustice

Yes, I know.

That's why I'm having a problem with it, I guess.

289 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:24pm

re: #262 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm dying to ask a full-bore Lib if this e-mail thing was OK...

Expecting an answer of "Sure" I can respond "So Watergate was cool by, you?"

/Sort of the left wing version of dividing by zero.

You're a better man than I. I avoid any conversation with one at ANY cost, unless it's something as innocuous as "yes, I'll have half and half in my coffee'

290 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:27pm

re: #262 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm dying to ask a full-bore Lib if this e-mail thing was OK...

Expecting an answer of "Sure" I can respond "So Watergate was cool by, you?"

/Sort of the left wing version of dividing by zero.

I'm doing that with a PhD Libertarian Liberal even as we "speak".
Tons of fun.
So far, the best comeback has been

Good points and interesting links. It would be nice if politics were cleaner.
291 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:32pm

re: #197 Dianna

I'm sorry, you're going to think I'm a prude, but can we knock off acting as if prison rape is funny?

The kid deserves jail time. Actions have consequences. But rape is vile, and it makes me cringe to see people treating it as a joke.

Seconded.

292 jacksontn  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:40pm

re: #255 vagabond trader

Why would they call this racist? Corruption has always been equal opportunity.

I would not even attempt to get into their heads about anything. But do you think they will claim racism if the white son of a democrat does not get jail time? Cuz you know all the black brother do. I am pretty sure even Sharpton will come to the aid of this white boy.

293 Alouette  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:56:56pm

re: #256 boogberg

Re: changing someone's password without their permission

Is what this person did technically illegal?

It's called Identity Theft.

Let's say someone you don't know changes your password without your permission. Is that OK with you?

294 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:09pm

Dog feeding and walking time.

295 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:13pm

re: #285 quickjustice geeze they are still asking if Palin is really a woman! Or woman enough, or can a woman be a mother, or , or, or.

296 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:21pm

re: #275 Sharmuta

No- it's the politics of misogyny making me sick.

Ah, those pathetic excuses for human beans?
;)

297 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:36pm

re: #283 SpartanWoman

Bingo!

298 boogberg  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:42pm

re: #268 Dianna

Yes.

How serious an offense is it ( felony, I hope)?

299 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:46pm

re: #294 Dianna

Dog feeding and walking time.

the dog gets fed and you get the walk ?

300 Buck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:57:57pm

It is SO funny.

The dems are falling for it again...

First Karl Rove gets Sarah Palin to release the emails, and then blame nasty hackers...

This way the debate is STILL about Gov. Palin, and NOT McCain!

Rove, you incredible genuis!

301 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:58:02pm

re: #296 Irene NYC they didn't eat enough soy

302 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:58:04pm

re: #255 vagabond trader

Why would they call this racist? Corruption has always been equal opportunity.

Two faces show in the ad Obama and Raines.....
both are black.

RACISM!

303 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:58:14pm

David Kernell cracked corn and some don't even care.

304 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:58:26pm

OT -
The NOW poll at PBS was at 42/57 earlier; now at 40/58, going down.

Vote, and vote often.

305 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:58:54pm

re: #294 Dianna

Dog feeding and walking time.

Take care.

306 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:59:17pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout and all i got was this..[Link: www.pbs.org...]

307 rightymouse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:59:26pm

re: #272 JCM

Heck my 3 year old knows. I always know when somethings up, he's under the dinning room table hiding.


lol! Good for him. And you, too!

308 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 4:59:54pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Linky no worky

309 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:00:23pm

re: #306 willowone

and all i got was this..[Link: www.pbs.org...]

Try this.

310 right_in_canada  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:00:47pm

re: #292 jacksontn

Ya I can see Mr. Potato Head doin that ! Yeah right ! :-)

311 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:02pm

re: #294 Dianna

Dog feeding and walking time.

A lovely time of day, I have my grand-dog for 10 months while my kid is on a fellowship

312 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:03pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

Still no worky....

313 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:12pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout same result.
500 Server Error
[Thu Sep 18 19:59:44 2008] null: Whoops -- results page (/shark/www_docs) is not on our server
The page you were attempting to look at caused some sort of error. The problem is on our side, not yours. Please email the following technical information to webtech@pbs.org:
REDIRECT_REMOTE_ADDR=64.12.116.140
REDIRECT_HTTP_HOST=http31-private:8888
REDIRECT_SERVER_ADDR=10.140.4.31

314 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:19pm

What the? Sarah Palin has been disinvited to the pro Israel rally at UN headquarters?

315 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:36pm

re: #272 JCM


Heck my 3 year old knows. I always know when somethings up, he's under the dinning room table hiding.


LOL! That's exactly what our German Sherpard used to do - hide under the dining room table from our grandmother when she did something wrong. Good times those.
l)

316 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:40pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

Try this.

Nope, don't, forgot to preview, it doesn't work either.

This does.

317 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:41pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

Try this.

I think it is a causulty of blog wars.

318 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:44pm

OT but -

There is a local university that will have "register to vote" on campus. They are advertising it as "register to vote and then vote at the same time." The dates are 7-10 days in October. Is this possible? What is stopping someone from coming in each day, seeing a different person running the table and then signing up and voting again?

319 psyop  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:01:50pm

I certainly think that the way to deal with this is NOT to try to rake sad little "hacker" (I use that term VERY loosely) boy over the coals. He is typical of the young and uniformed liberal, and should be pitied, not prosecuted.

Instead, talk about how yet another attempt to slime Palin with complicity by the MSM (regarding the "using private e-mail in public business" crap) was completely discredited. By the person trying to prove it. That alone should say something, ferchissakes.

320 whiterasta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:02:05pm

Prison rape is not amusing or funny. The thought horrifies me.

Having said that, those are the facts of life.

321 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:02:09pm

re: #314 vagabond trader

What the? Sarah Palin has been disinvited to the pro Israel rally at UN headquarters?

Thereby not leaving Joos with a choice to make about their Dem ties...

322 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:02:14pm

O'Reilly just led off with the "Internet Hockey Mom" SwiftBoat Spoof!
(he was smiling)
later, lizards.

323 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:02:27pm

re: #314 vagabond trader

What the? Sarah Palin has been disinvited to the pro Israel rally at UN headquarters?

Yep. What stupidity. Donks refusing to share the stage, no doubt. ANd I no longer plan on going.

324 yah  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:02:35pm

I like this map:

[Link: w3.newsmax.com...]

325 LesLein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:02:58pm

"Kernell, D-Memphis"

Make a note of the above. If his son is the culprit, this is the last time the MSM will "name that party."

326 stevieray  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:19pm

re: #281 quickjustice

Rape in prison is no joke. It's also extremely common, which is why it's often linked to the prison "experience". Any joking about it is, and must be understood to be, dark humor.

... and that kid doesn't look like much of a fighter. He will need a protector, and protectors demand "payment" of some type.

327 JCM  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:24pm

Gotta run.....
Have fun all.

328 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:31pm

re: #321 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Probably because Biden and/or Obama couldn't come. So best not to hear anything, I guess.

329 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:43pm

re: #323 SpartanWoman


same here.

330 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:51pm

look at all the coordinated attacks on this woman from the moment she was announced as the vp pick.
and all coming from the lousy lying dems who have lost every last shred of any semblance of decency. they must have no idea how bad they look.
honestly, they are going to get john mccain and sarah palin elected.
america is comprised of mostly good people who will recoil at such chronic, mean- spirited ugly behavior.

331 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:55pm

OT

Glenn Beck tonight was livid about an Obama ad (in Spanish) -- said he'd never, ever seen an ad like this before. Others were saying it was "disgusting," "sleazy", "in the gutter" and it revealed "the two faces of Obama." (Obama -- o surprise -- is not "The Racial Healer!" he is a Racial Divider and a hate monger.) Anyway, would like to know what that Spanish ad was all about...(the ad also spread some lies about Rush Limbaugh). I think it was done because McCain was getting too much of the Spanish-speaking vote in Arizona...

332 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:03:57pm

re: #317 JCM

I think it is a causulty of blog wars.

Naw, it's just those Cajun links -- so hot that insulation melts off the wires.

333 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:10pm

re: #261 JCM

WLN! How the recovery coming?

Well, you opened a can of worms by asking me that. I feel fine. Not much pain at all, appetite has come back, I'm voiding ok, but haven't had a bowel movement in two days (mainly because I was not too hungry after the surgery).

I'm driving to the store, ran the vacuum in my apartment. Not sleeping to well, because Vicoden "wires" me instead of sedating me. That happens to some people on opiates.

But the weird thing is, I am bruised from the incision down to the scrotum as if someone beat my crouch with a baseball bat. Black and blue, doing a purple rain. And I am swelled up around the crouch, almost like I am carry a small baby low.

I when back to the acute care clinic last night, and the nurse said that that can happen, she checked me out, she said I was ok, the bruising and swelling should go away with in the week.

I've been doing vitals about 6 times a day. I have a good cuff here. Blood pressure good, temp good, heart rate good, incision area is not "fevered," and the areas where I've had some blood infiltrate, is soft, not hard. A little spot of dried blood about the size of a half-dollar on the bandage, no oozing, foul smells etc.

So, I don't know. I feel really good. But it seems all that hanging skin that I have from my weight lost over the last two years has swelled up and bruised really bad.

Any Lizards with medical training have any idea why so much swelling? This hernia was on the left side, I had one repaired 20 years ago on the right side and I don't even remember a scar after everything healed.

Walter in Golden, Co.

334 yah  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:24pm

re: #318 PAgirlinNC

Where is the university?

335 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:28pm

re: #323 SpartanWoman

Makes me sick that my fellow tribe members actually believe that the Dems are their friends.

336 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:04:59pm
Re: changing someone's password without their permission

Is what this person did technically illegal?

Yes. Accessing another person's computer account is illegal in several different ways and at all jurisdictional levels. It is considered to be precisely the same as kicking in the back door of someone else's house and entering.

But it goes far beyond that. He didn't just illegally access her account. He stole personal emails. He stole her contact list. He stole the cell phone numbers of several family members and other individuals. And he posted all of that stolen information on a public forum with the intent of distributing it, knowing full well that it would cause harm. At this point, we're squarely in the realm of the Feds, who have very, very tough laws against this specific offense, in addition to those concerned with gaining illegal access.

I would guess that he's looking at between 15 to 20 years maximum, just on the two or three charges that are blazingly obvious, plus between a quarter and a half million in fines. The DoJ will undoubtedly file, or at least threaten to file, a whole dumptruck's worth of additional charges, just to leverage a plea bargain.

I have no idea if it's the kid everyone is pointing at, but it looks pretty damning at the moment. If true, daddy's position in the Democratic party calls a whole 'nother raft of questions - and possibly some very interesting charges - into question.

337 xtraBilly  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:08pm

re: #323 SpartanWoman

Yep. What stupidity. Donks refusing to share the stage, no doubt. ANd I no longer plan on going.

But, aren't the Donks working towards bi-partisanship?
What does the O-Man say about this?

338 PAgirlinNC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:08pm

re: #334 yah

North Carolina

339 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:27pm

re: #319 psyop

I certainly think that the way to deal with this is NOT to try to rake sad little "hacker" (I use that term VERY loosely) boy over the coals. He is typical of the young and uniformed liberal, and should be pitied, not prosecuted.

Instead, talk about how yet another attempt to slime Palin with complicity by the MSM (regarding the "using private e-mail in public business" crap) was completely discredited. By the person trying to prove it. That alone should say something, ferchissakes.

That kid's the victim of his own party's lies. He bought into the rumor there would be something in those emails. However- once he found nothing, he decided to spread her personal emails over the internet anywyas. Though I feel a bit bad he was duped by his own sides hatred, he continued with the crime. He should have to pay.

340 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:42pm

re: #275 Sharmuta

No- it's the politics of misogyny making me sick.

I would never have thought in a million years that the misogyny would be so blatant. That is comes from the left is just another WTF. I have been in business for 30 years, I have mentored and counseled young women entering and advancing in the business world that sexism is a political term and not applicable when your abilities are evident. I have worked with and employed LOTS of young males, with mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives, and daughters in the workforce and I would have bet my last dollar that misogyny was not only a thing of the past, but an excuse for failures. Now, I'm not so sure.

341 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:05:57pm

I think the far Left is convinced that demographics are on their side. Whites will be in a minority, so they feel liberated from any ethical impulse whatsoever. Go for the jugular. Lie. Commit fraud. The days of White Oppression are numbered. Everything is permitted.

342 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:06:04pm

re: #335 vagabond trader it has been heartbreaking. this has made no sense at all. what isn't to be understood about "change", of mind in one day?"

343 whiterasta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:06:17pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

Walter:

I hope you make a full recovery, real soon.

344 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:06:30pm

re: #342 willowone
or farrakn, wright

345 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:06:42pm

Obama campaign spokesman just said on FOX that Franklin Raines is NOT an Obama adviser.

Really? I did a search on Google, over 25,000 hits like this.

"Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case's D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

Then I thought about it a bit, when claiming he's not an adviser, he used the word "IS". Classic...

/Franklin, meet Bus Undercarriage

346 arethusa  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:08pm

re: #162 lifeofthemind

It's Manlius Torquatus who killed his son for disobeying discipline and seeking glory only. But there's also the story of Brutus, first consul of Rome and founder of the Republic, who killed his two sons after they conspired to restore the monarchy. Both in Livy.

347 SpartanWoman  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:11pm

re: #329 willowone

same here.

I sent the UJA an email and suggested that my annual donation would go elsewhere.

348 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:12pm

re: #278 Irene NYC

OMG! Walter, what're you recovering from?
(I was out in the country for a while w/o internet.)

See my 333 above to JCM.

349 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:32pm

re: #340 Russkilitlover

If misogyny is expedient politically, do it.

That's the message.

350 akak  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:45pm

Ten Russian ships at Syrian port?

Guess that Israeli attack on Iran is off.

They did say they would side with Islam, like Obama.

351 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:07:49pm
Ok i really like Mrs. Palin, but you're giving her WAYYYYYY too much credit.

She wasn't internet savy enough

I have fair-to-middling locks on the doors to my house. If someone breaks in and steals my property, are you saying it's my fault because I wasn't lock-savvy enough?

I'm seeing this argument popping up here and there, and it makes no sense to me at all. It's damnably close to saying, "Well, she deserved it because of the way she was dressed. She was asking for it."

352 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:08:21pm
353 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:08:36pm

re: #347 SpartanWoman sometimes a painful decision is a greater right.

354 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:08:39pm

Punishment befitting the crime: If found guilty, strap David Kernell naked to a moose during the height of mosquito season.

355 Archimedes  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:08:41pm

re: #316 reine.de.tout

Nope, don't, forgot to preview, it doesn't work either.

This does.


You can vote multiple times on that poll, so it's probably worthless.

356 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:09:10pm

re: #319 psyop

I certainly think that the way to deal with this is NOT to try to rake sad little "hacker" (I use that term VERY loosely) boy over the coals. He is typical of the young and uniformed liberal, and should be pitied, not prosecuted.

Instead, talk about how yet another attempt to slime Palin with complicity by the MSM (regarding the "using private e-mail in public business" crap) was completely discredited. By the person trying to prove it. That alone should say something, ferchissakes.

First of all, the little twerp should be prosecuted. What he did is a crime, whether it can be proven in a court or just accepted on moral grounds.

That said, you are spot-on about MSM complicity. That they would run with a fabricated story on her emails, without ever questioning or exhibiting outrage at the privacy violations, makes me sick to my stomach and sad for my country.

357 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:09:23pm

re: #340 Russkilitlover

I would never have thought in a million years that the misogyny would be so blatant. That is comes from the left is just another WTF. I have been in business for 30 years, I have mentored and counseled young women entering and advancing in the business world that sexism is a political term and not applicable when your abilities are evident. I have worked with and employed LOTS of young males, with mothers, sisters, girlfriends, wives, and daughters in the workforce and I would have bet my last dollar that misogyny was not only a thing of the past, but an excuse for failures. Now, I'm not so sure.

We've been told about race relations during this election.... Clearly it's the gender relations that are still stuck in the past. I would have thought I would be able to tell any daughter I might have that she could grow up to be anything. Now I'm glad I have no daughter as the democrats and msm would make a liar of me.

358 LesLein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:09:33pm

Some good news. Ed Morrissey reports that McCain is finally reminding voters of who gives Obama “advice on mortgage and housing policy.”

[Link: hotair.com...]

359 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:09:36pm

You're all too hard on so.cal.swede. It's not that Palin wasn't internet-savvy enough. It's that her campaign and Secret Service team were evidently unaware of the potential threat to her accounts.

Politics is blood sport. You have to be ready.

360 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:10:03pm

re: #349 godfrey

If misogyny is expedient politically, do it.

That's the message.

It's not just that, godfrey. Look at how other women are treating Sarah.

361 Archimedes  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:10:14pm

re: #356 Russkilitlover

First of all, the little twerp should be prosecuted. What he did is a crime, whether it can be proven in a court or just accepted on moral grounds.

That said, you are spot-on about MSM complicity. That they would run with a fabricated story on her emails, without ever questioning or exhibiting outrage at the privacy violations, makes me sick to my stomach and sad for my country.

They'd make the twerp a hero, if they could get away with it.

362 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:10:15pm

And what I said in no way, shape, or form excuses or exonerates the guilty.

363 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:10:22pm

re: #343 whiterasta

Walter:

I hope you make a full recovery, real soon.

Thanks. As I say, I feel rather fine, except for the bruising and swelling. (see my 333 above if you haven't).

Our new show oopens tonight, and the assistent director is running tech tonight and Fri. and I'll be back in the booth on Sat.

There's a number of other more physical things that I do at the theatre that someone else will have to do for a few weeks, since they don't recommend too much lifting and stuff like that.

364 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:10:51pm

re: #358 LesLein

Did you spin it off upstairs?

365 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:11:13pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

Walter,

That was quite the informative update! :)

You may want to do a little research on an herb by the name of Arnica Montana. It would have been most benefical if used before surgery, but...

Check it out -
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Good luck and you know, it sounds like you're doing just fine.

366 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:11:19pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Misogyny still. Women can be very hard on other women. This is a truism.

367 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:11:22pm

Comin' up on FOX news: "Will the Fed prosecute [the Palin hackers]? They better prosecute them."

368 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:11:50pm

re: #352 buzzsawmonkey

May you have a refuah shlemah (a complete recovery).

Thanks Buzz, but I'll for go the refuah shlemah. I stopped drinking two years ago. LOL.

/

369 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:11:52pm

re: #355 Archimedes

You can vote multiple times on that poll, so it's probably worthless.

Probably? Obviously, and from the get-go. It was "probably" put out there so the Faithful could high-five it.

370 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:12:14pm

re: #360 Sharmuta
It has really been devastating to watch. I'm painfully aware of it as many other women like Us

371 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:12:15pm

Sharmuta,

Many women have been catty and vicious about other women since the beginning of time. It's wired into some of them.
;)

372 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:12:48pm

Walter, take this in a kindly spirit: you could be less forthcoming about your personal whereabouts.

373 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:12:58pm

re: #333 Walter L. Newton

Wow! So sorry to hear of your pain and discomfort. All I can offer is apply lots of ice, drink lots of water, and chicken soup (as clear and pure as you can get it). I have no medical training, but these things should, at least, not do further harm and MAY even help!

Prayers for you and hoping for a comfortable recovery.

374 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:13:20pm

Walter,

Hope the recovery is swift and as painfree as possible with those dem vicodins. Get well soon.

375 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:13:27pm

re: #365 SummerSong

Walter,

That was quite the informative update! :)

You may want to do a little research on an herb by the name of Arnica Montana. It would have been most benefical if used before surgery, but...

Check it out -
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Good luck and you know, it sounds like you're doing just fine.

Thanks. Some people would say it was TMI :) but JCM asked. Hell, I'm origianlly from NYC. We'll talk to almost anyone about almost anything, even if we don't know who we are talking to and what we are talking about.

376 godfrey  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:13:32pm

re: #373 Russkilitlover

Seconded.

377 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:14:02pm
378 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:14:13pm

re: #376 godfrey

Seconded.

Thirded.

379 jacksontn  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:14:27pm

re: #370 willowone

It has really been devastating to watch. I'm painfully aware of it as many other women like Us

I became livid when they started the bro's b4 ho's thing during the primaries. 99 Problems and a Bitch Ain't One played at one of his rallies. The only ISM still acceptable to the msm is sexism.

380 Perplexed  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:14:33pm

re: #363 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. As I say, I feel rather fine, except for the bruising and swelling. (see my 333 above if you haven't).

Our new show oopens tonight, and the assistent director is running tech tonight and Fri. and I'll be back in the booth on Sat.

There's a number of other more physical things that I do at the theatre that someone else will have to do for a few weeks, since they don't recommend too much lifting and stuff like that.

Coming off of general anesthesia for a double hernia surgery today. Feels like I was kicked in the stomach by a mule. No work for at least one week.

381 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:14:38pm

re: #371 Irene NYC the only thing i admired about Madeleine Albright:"There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women."

382 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:28pm

re: #351 SixDegrees

Btw, (I don't know how the laws are in the States) here in Canada -- if you leave your door open, somebody walks in and steals your stuff, the perp will still be charged with "break and enter." Locks or no locks don't get the perp off...it's the act of opening a door, along with the intent to commit a crime which counts.

383 winston06  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:32pm

re: #139 Bubblehead II

i see

384 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:37pm

re: #366 godfrey

Misogyny still. Women can be very hard on other women. This is a truism.

My point was that it's not just politically expedient. It's culturally prevalent, we've just been blind to it. So in that sense, I'd like to thank the democrats and msm for making us all aware just how much woman is still the ummm.... John Lennon song of the world.

385 boogberg  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:38pm

re: #336 SixDegrees

Yes. Accessing another person's computer account is illegal in several different ways and at all jurisdictional levels. [...]

Thanks, SixDegrees.

386 Russkilitlover  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:15:45pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

We've been told about race relations during this election.... Clearly it's the gender relations that are still stuck in the past. I would have thought I would be able to tell any daughter I might have that she could grow up to be anything. Now I'm glad I have no daughter as the democrats and msm would make a liar of me.

It's truly core-shaking. I'm stunned and saddened and disillusioned.

387 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:11pm

Just to remind everyone, it all began with the Democratic Party's file on Palin, which included not only her Social Security number (as many may remember), but also this Yahoo e-mail address:

The "Hacker" Got Palin's Yahoo Account from the Democrats' Release of Her Personal Information -- With an Assist from the Washington Post

Remember when the Democrats improperly released that big file on Palin containing much of her personal information? Including most of her Social Security number?

They released Palin's Yahoo account identification, and the Washington Post printed it. On September 10th.

388 Archimedes  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:11pm

re: #378 jwb7605

Thirded.

Fourthed.

389 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:29pm

Has anyone looked around to see what the PUMAs are saying? What about Huffpo and Kos? Cheering the little twerp on?

390 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:29pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

the dog gets fed and you get the walk ?

Usually. It's a race between the corgi and the mutt to see who can induce exhaustion in me first.

391 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:39pm

re: #379 jacksontn Yes, even though I'm not a Dem, i resented the usage of misogyny against Hillary. It was evil to watch, and it made me more politcally active.

392 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:41pm

re: #371 Irene NYC

Sharmuta,

Many women have been catty and vicious about other women since the beginning of time. It's wired into some of them.
;)

I know- it's not going to change until women realize this in ourselves and stop it.

393 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:16:53pm

when i meet libs now i know there is no possibility of friendship.
when they spew some shit and i see where it's going ,i'm not interested.
i have, however, retained, as friends, most of my pre-9/11 libs.
that is often a challenge tho.
the pre-9/11 libs were grandfathered in because i try to do the right thing, as i am NOT a lib.

394 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:03pm

re: #372 godfrey

Walter, take this in a kindly spirit: you could be less forthcoming about your personal whereabouts.

I understand your comment, but JCM asked. And we have had a lot of personal talk here over the years, quite frank about medical things, and I don't see much complaining.

That's one of the things that make LGF's so great. It's like a little community, and we can get advice, support and a prayer or two when we need it.

I live alone, no family to call on if I need to, and I find it's good for the soul to be able to come to LGF knowing that there are some here that sort of have a connection to you, long distance, but up close and personal.

Take this in a kindly spirit, I don't agree with you.

395 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:08pm

re: #331 J.S.

That ad, designed to enrage Hispanics and promote racial and ethnic envy and hatred through use of lies and deception, was classic "community organizing" as performed by Obama.

396 Archimedes  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:51pm

re: #392 Sharmuta

I know- it's not going to change until women realize this in ourselves and stop it.

Are you sure it's just not ideological? I mean, liberals and conservatives go at each other.

397 SouthAmericanWay  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:17:59pm

re: #252 jacksontn

Already claiming RACIST at koskidz on the ad.

Just imagine what they'll say when the Wright-Farrakhan-Obama ad is released (as I hope one will be, even if only by a 527)!

398 LesLein  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:07pm

re: #364 HelloDare

?

399 Clairevoyant1  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:08pm

It's a good thing he's a Vol. We already know he likes ORANGE. I just wonder how he feels about jumpsuits.

400 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:50pm

re: #395 quickjustice His world is being the ultimate antagonist. and i would add a WHY?

401 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:18:51pm

re: #380 Perplexed

Coming off of general anesthesia for a double hernia surgery today. Feels like I was kicked in the stomach by a mule. No work for at least one week.

Yea, I had a single one on the left side repaired on Tuesday. You get well, we'll all get well together, LGF, where hernia's are us!

402 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:04pm
403 psyop  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:10pm

re: #339 Sharmuta

That kid's the victim of his own party's lies. He bought into the rumor there would be something in those emails. However- once he found nothing, he decided to spread her personal emails over the internet anywyas. Though I feel a bit bad he was duped by his own sides hatred, he continued with the crime. He should have to pay.

You are correct, if he committed a crime, he should be brought up on charges. I just don't think it should be the focus of conservative commentators, the McCain campaign, or other such things. Let the local DA decide whether or not to bring charges and prosecute the case accordingly.

I just don't want the national discourse to devolve into the "right-wing" trying to destroy some poor, misguided, well intentioned (sarcasm intended) youth's life.

404 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:24pm

re: #396 Archimedes
a Mother cannot be a VP?

405 HelloDare  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:34pm

re: #398 LesLein

?

I meant, "Is the ad in the Spinoff links"? I checked. it is.

406 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:43pm

re: #396 Archimedes

Are you sure it's just not ideological? I mean, liberals and conservatives go at each other.

No- Irene is correct. Female misogyny has a very long, historical foundation.

Woman's Inhumanity to Woman

407 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:46pm

re: #404 willowone
Have they ever asked a Father if he can?

408 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:19:54pm

Sharmuta,

Are you watching O'Reilly? Next segment on women who loathe Sarah Palin.

409 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:20:28pm

re: #404 willowone

a Mother cannot be a VP?

Yes. I hear people call Cheny a "mother" all the time.
/

410 Perplexed  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:20:30pm

re: #394 Walter L. Newton

Use LGF as your support system. You're living by yourself and need someone whose available if stuff happens.

Get well soon & don't do stupid stuff to yourself while healing.

411 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:20:33pm

re: #395 quickjustice

Have you seen/heard the ad?

412 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:20:43pm

re: #393 nyc redneck

You're a better person than me. Cannot stomach the BDS and all the other "issues" these pampered twits carry around.

413 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:20:49pm

re: #409 jwb7605
laughing.

414 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:15pm

re: #336 SixDegrees

In the Watergate scandal of 1973, Judge Sirica sentenced the perps, who were low level GOP operatives who had broken into Democratic National headquarters in the Watergate Hotel complex, to 1-4 years in the federal pen. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If this kid turns out to be the perp, I'd say that his conduct is comparable, and should be punished similarly.

415 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:28pm

re: #408 Irene NYC

Sharmuta,

Are you watching O'Reilly? Next segment on women who loathe Sarah Palin.

No- I don't have cable. Such is my loathing of the msm I refuse to pay for additional channels airing their bullsh*t.

416 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:32pm

re: #319 psyop

I certainly think that the way to deal with this is NOT to try to rake sad little "hacker" (I use that term VERY loosely) boy over the coals. He is typical of the young and uniformed liberal, and should be pitied, not prosecuted.

Instead, talk about how yet another attempt to slime Palin with complicity by the MSM (regarding the "using private e-mail in public business" crap) was completely discredited. By the person trying to prove it. That alone should say something, ferchissakes.

He deserves jail. He committed a felony, and for nothing.

Actions have consequences.

417 nyc redneck  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:37pm

re: #408 Irene NYC

Sharmuta,

Are you watching O'Reilly? Next segment on women who loathe Sarah Palin.

why watch these jealous awful women?

418 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:38pm
419 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:21:53pm

"The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy"

420 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:22:23pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

Smilin' faces, smilin' faces, sometimes
They don't tell the truth
Smilin' faces, smilin' faces, sometimes
And I got proof.

/can ya dig it?

421 Irene NYC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:22:24pm

re: #417 nyc redneck

why watch these jealous awful women?


Blood sport, why else?
;)

422 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:22:24pm

re: #410 Perplexed

Use LGF as your support system. You're living by yourself and need someone whose available if stuff happens.

Get well soon & don't do stupid stuff to yourself while healing.

Thanks again. I already did try to get stupid. I drove down to the theatre this afternoon to check in (tonight is the preview perfomance of our new show) and I started to vacuum the lounge, since I know they are short-handed without me.

Yea, the producer pulled the plug on me.

423 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:22:39pm
424 Intrepid  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:05pm

re: #324 yah

I like this map:

[Link: w3.newsmax.com...]

Yes, I do too. I look at it right before I go to bed, so I don't have tortured dreams.

:-)

425 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:08pm

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey

buzz ... but mine has a better ring :)

426 Dianna  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:37pm

re: #331 J.S.

Does Beck have a translation? My Spanish is not exactly stellar.

427 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:23:51pm

re: #371 Irene NYC

Sharmuta,

Many women have been catty and vicious about other women since the beginning of time. It's wired into some of them.
;)

People who are confident and self-assured have no need to be catty and vicious. I think that sort of behavior is a dead give-away that the person involved lacks confidence in themselves, and can only feel "good" about themselves when someone else is being dissed.

428 sparrowlake  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:24:10pm

re: #197 Dianna

I'm sorry, you're going to think I'm a prude, but can we knock off acting as if prison rape is funny?
The kid deserves jail time. Actions have consequences. But rape is vile, and it makes me cringe to see people treating it as a joke.

Call me soft but I'm not so sure the hacker deserves jail time. If he has no criminal record and this was an isolated incident, and if noone was seriously hurt, then he may deserve only a substantial fine and community service.

429 quickjustice  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:24:17pm

re: #400 willowone

Explanation of Obama's worldview as a community "organizer here:

[Link: www.theobamafile.com...]

"Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to "rub raw the sores of discontent," in Alinsky's words.

Alinsky viewed as supremely important the role of the organizer, or master manipulator, whose guidance was responsible for setting the agendas of the People’s Organization. "The organizer," Alinsky wrote, "is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator,' to play God."

One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent "self-interest" in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.

In these methods, euphemistically labeled "community organizing," Obama had a four-year education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere."

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:24:30pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I had a single one on the left side repaired on Tuesday. You get well, we'll all get well together, LGF, where hernia's are us!

Take real good care of yourself, Walter!

431 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:25:07pm

Oh brother the lib women are going beserk on Palin. She's going to ban abortion, the right to vote, women getting thrown in jail for being pro choice. Puhleeeze!

432 Perplexed  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:25:43pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

Ouch. Sit down, relax. Get well. This is temporary. Screw up and you might be out for months. Not worth the risk to your health.

433 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:25:52pm

re: #429 quickjustice

perfect isn't it?

434 rightymouse  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:25:55pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

We've been told about race relations during this election.... Clearly it's the gender relations that are still stuck in the past. I would have thought I would be able to tell any daughter I might have that she could grow up to be anything. Now I'm glad I have no daughter as the democrats and msm would make a liar of me.

I've found that women can be dreadful at times in the work place towards other women. They can be catty, mean and dismissive.

Why?

Usually, it's because they have issues handling power with maturity and can be terribly insecure.

Palin is obviously comfortable 'in her own skin' and power is not some ego trip for her.

Her lack of insecurity/female angst/male hatred is very confusing to feminists.

435 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:02pm

Here are the lyrics to the Lennon song I mentioned. Would he still be a raving moonbat today? Perhaps, but reading these lyrics just now- he was spot on, and if this election hasn't made you see his point, then perhaps nothing will:

[Link: www.lyricsfreak.com...]

436 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:15pm

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey

I think of it less as a conspiracy than a herd instinct.

BTW, what th' flock do you call a bunch of lemmings?

437 J.S.  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:16pm

re: #426 Dianna

Beck was so disgusted with the ad -- he didn't show the ad...(hmm...I would like to see it -- along with a translation, too!)

438 vagabond trader  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:16pm

re: #418 buzzsawmonkey

Can think of at least 22 more enjoyable pastimes and I am too damned old to suffer fools.

439 willowone  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:54pm

re: #429 quickjustice
in fact didn't he ask this morning for His constiuents to get in their friends, families, face and Argue for Him?

440 GeeWiz  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:26:59pm

re: #105 nyc redneck

i need a glass of wine.

After reading the MSM, I need a bottle of wine.

441 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:27:01pm

re: #428 sparrowlake

Call me soft but I'm not so sure the hacker deserves jail time. If he has no criminal record and this was an isolated incident, and if noone was seriously hurt, then he may deserve only a substantial fine and community service.

Um, committing an act that may very well result in the theft of another person's identity is pretty doggone serious, in my book. What he did wasn't really "hacking"; he used a system to hijack a person's private e-mail account.

If he's 20 years old and has been computer / tech savvy, then he knew better. He knew very well that this was not right. And he did it anyhow.

442 neocon hippie  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:27:19pm

What's going on is truly disturbing and scary. This is just latest instance of the ganging up on Palin done by various of the lefty shock troops from Charlie Gibson to Cintra Wilson to this punk Dave "Popcorn" in TN. This is how the gulags and the Auschwitz's start, folks. You totally demonize and dehumanize your opponent, which justifies any means to defeat them. Case in point: "Palin's not a real woman." It is so totally sickening.

443 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:27:27pm

Greetings Lizards...McCain/Palin is knockin em dead in Green Bay tonight.

444 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:27:38pm

re: #428 sparrowlake

Call me soft but I'm not so sure the hacker deserves jail time. If he has no criminal record and this was an isolated incident, and if noone was seriously hurt, then he may deserve only a substantial fine and community service.

..no worries. There ain't a chance in heck he'll receive more then a slight slap to the wrist.

445 jwb7605  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:28:31pm

re: #440 GeeWiz

After reading the MSM, I need a bottle of wine.

Those big plastic gallon-size bladder brands work good.

446 faraway  Thu, Sep 18, 2008 5:28:33pm

re: #387 SouthAmericanWay

Just to remind everyone, it all began with the Democratic Party's file on Palin, which included not only her Social Security number (as many may remember), but also this Yahoo e-mail address:

The "Hacker" Got Palin's Yahoo Account from the Democrats' Release of Her Personal Information -- With an Assist from the Washington Post

Remember when the Democrats improperly released that big file on Palin containing much of her personal information? Including most of her Social Security number?

They released Palin's Yahoo account identification, and the Washington Post printed it. On September 10th.

The Wash Post "journalist" Karl Vick was one of dozens sent to Alaska. His contribution was the travel smear 9/9, and a small anti-Palin protest 9/13 here in addition to the release of her yahoo email

447 Perplexed  Thu, Se