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And that’s the story of how Norville Barnes climbed waaay up to the forty-fourth floor of the Hudsucker Building, and then fell all the way down but didn’t quite squish hisself. You know, they say there was a man who jumped from the forty-FIFTH floor? But that’s another story.

Moses the Clock Man, The Hudsucker Proxy

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1 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:33:23pm

Will someone please wake me up when this thread becomes active?

2 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:34:42pm

re: #1 Moe Katz

Will someone please wake me up when this thread becomes active?

Wake up.

3 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:14pm

'Morning!

4 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:23pm

We could ridicule those still on the Nashville thread...

5 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:47pm

We own this thread!

6 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:59pm

Whose picture is that you have for an avatar?

7 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:36:21pm

Beat this thread like a drum!

8 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:36:54pm

Herr Ludwig Van Beethoven. (I'm a piano player)

9 DesertSage  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:05pm

Noam is going to Spain to walk on dangerous pathways.

Myself? I've never been to Spain.

10 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:14pm

They're whining about what they're paying for gas in the southern US and here in Canada I'm paying 4.60 per US gal today

11 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:24pm

And here I am hanging out on the last thread like a sucker.

12 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:47pm

re: #8 little boomer

Herr Ludwig Van Beethoven. (I'm a piano player)

Classical piano?

13 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:50pm

re: #6 Moe Katz

That would be Beethoven the Master.

/yeah I know I said I was done, had to jump in for one last comment.

14 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:50pm

I recognize your avatar- my young boys love him.

15 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:38:29pm

Is he still popular?

16 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:38:30pm

Mainly classical, but I'll fake any gig!

17 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:39:14pm

And mine is an original. Only find it on three places of the net. And I have them all. :)

18 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:39:22pm

Funny I didn't recognize that Beethoven image. I'm a fan, too.

19 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:40:20pm

re: #17 BlueCanuck

And mine is an original. Only find it on three places of the net. And I have them all. :)

Where is that?

20 RTLM  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:41:23pm

The Undefended City


[snip]

I sit with others in darkened rooms, watching films like Redacted, Stop-Loss, and In the Valley of Elah, and see our brave young soldiers depicted as murderers, rapists, broken psychotics or ignorant dupes –visions foisted upon me by bitter and isolated millionaires such as Brian de Palma and Paul Haggis and all the rest.

I’ve been told this story in some form or another, every day of every week of the past 30 years of my life. It wasn’t always so.

But it is certainly so today. And standing against all this hypnotic power — the power of the mythmakers in Hollywood, the power of the information peddlers in the media, the corrosive power of America-hating professors on every campus in America… against all that we find an old warrior — a paladin if ever there was one — an old, beat-up warhorse standing up in defense of his city one last time. And beside him: a wonder. A common person… just a regular mom who goes to work, does a difficult job with intelligence and energy and grace and every-day competence and then puts it away to go home and have dinner with the family.

[snip]

When all is said and done, Civilizations do not fall because of the barbarians at the gates. Nor does a great city fall from the death wish of bored and morally bankrupt stewards presumably sworn to its defense. Civilizations fall only because each citizen of the city comes to accept that nothing can be done to rally and rebuild broken walls; that ground lost may never be recovered; and that greatness lived in our grandparents but not our grandchildren. Yes, our betters tell us these things daily. But that doesn’t mean we have to believe it.



- Bill Wittle

21 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:44:53pm

re: #19 little boomer

Here's the main picture that I took. It's also my avatar right now on facebook as well as here. So three places. :)

22 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:45:01pm

Alfred Brendel is retiring in December. If anyone makes a good case that the Beethoven sonatas work on modern piano it's him. Generally, though, I'm adjusted to fortepiano.

23 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:45:05pm

re: #20 RTLM

The opening paragraph is excellent.

And here I thought I was going to bed.

Dammit, Whittle!

24 hazzyday  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:45:17pm
25 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:46:03pm

Okay, NOW I am off to bed. 6:30 comes too damn early.

26 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:46:21pm

Goodnight, BC!

27 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:47:36pm

re: #21 BlueCanuck

Here's the main picture that I took. It's also my avatar right now on facebook as well as here. So three places. :)

Toronto, I see.

Moe K- Alfred Brendel-boyhood hero.

28 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:48:38pm

re: #1 Moe Katz

Dude,

we're live.

29 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:50:05pm

re: #27 little boomer

Toronto, I see.

Moe K- Alfred Brendel-boyhood hero.

You chose a fine model. Do you play any B sonatas?

30 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #28 nightwatch

Dude,

we're live.

What took you so long?

31 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:52:01pm

re: #29 Moe Katz

You chose a fine model. Do you play any B sonatas?

A bunch before marriage, kids and getting into church organ gigging.
I'll play them again when the kids go to college!

32 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:53:34pm

re: #31 little boomer

A bunch before marriage, kids and getting into church organ gigging.
I'll play them again when the kids go to college!

No room for the Boesendorfer at home, huh?

33 Russkilitlover  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:53:39pm

Can't help but keep beating this drum...

Susan Atkins - Manson Family member and multiple murderer, most specifically, murderer of eight month pregnant Sharon Tate who wanted to "cut the baby out, but I didn't have time."

She's now enjoying art classes in prison and seems to be having a quite jolly time.

In 1999, Susan attended a watercolor class and enjoyed the medium. She has been studying art ever since, availing herself of art classes offered at the prison, reading art books and magazines, and practicing as often as possible. She works in watercolor, acrylic, pastel, graphite, pen & ink, and colored pencil. Susan realizes that her interest and her talent are gifts from God, as is the simple fact that the California Prison System allows her the opportunity to enjoy them. This is something Susan does not take for granted. As such she has dedicated her work to serving those in the community./blockquote>

34 Mike McDaniel  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:54:26pm

I'm not sure if anyone saw it, but [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...] has a piece on the Palin e-mail hack.

It's looking like the culprit may be connected to Obama's campaign manager.

This is getting worrying...Obama's campaign tactics are becoming more and more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s. Not so much campaigning as thuggish intimidation.

35 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:55:20pm

re: #32 Moe Katz

No room for the Boesendorfer at home, huh?

With luck I could trade the home for a Bosendorfer!
Bosendorfer is a cool computer wall paler though,

36 gmsc  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:56:01pm

And now, we would like to announce that this week's winner of the move in poorest taste is . . .

Hurricane Ike victims being kicked out of hotels . . . to accomodate Miami Hurricanes Fans

37 The Archivist  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:57:30pm

#20 - RTLM

Whittle's finest work yet!

38 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:57:34pm

Late in the east coast-over and out kids...

39 ggt  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:57:57pm

What, a new thread? No one announced it downstairs.

And, to top it off, I have to sleep.

weet dreams all!

40 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:00:07pm

re: #35 little boomer

With luck I could trade the home for a Bosendorfer!
Bosendorfer is a cool computer wall paler though,

Nice meeting you, but I'm falling asleep. We'll have to continue this musical discussion another time, though. Anyone that plays B sonatas has my highest respect. Now I want to listen to Brendel's Hammerklavier, but I need the sleep.

Bye for now.

41 neocon hippie  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:05:42pm

I'm not naturally conspiracy-minded, but I have to wonder if somehow there are Democrats involved in the fact that this financial meltdown just happens to be happening in the run-up to the election, in order to create difficulty among the populace and rouse the clamor for "change", as Zombie noted in the last thread.

42 Steffan  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:08:05pm
43 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:10:17pm

re: #42 Steffan

where the hell is Inuyasha?

44 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:12:11pm

re: #20 RTLM

The Undefended City



- Bill Wittle

Stern now was Eomer's mood, and his mind clear again. He let blow the horns to rally all men to his banner that could come thither; for he thought to make a great shield-wall at the last, and stand, and fight there on foot until all fell, and do deeds of song on the fields of Pelennor, though no man should be left in the West to remember the last King of the Mark. So he rode to a green hillock and there set his banner, and the White Horse ran rippling in the wind.

Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising
I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking:
Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!

These staves he spoke, yet he laughed as he said them. For once more lust of battle was on him; and he was still unscathed, and he was young, and he was king: the lord of a fell people. And lo! even as he laughed in despair he looked out again on the black ships, and he lifted up his sword to defy them.

And then wonder took him, and a great joy; and he cast his sword up in the sunlight and sang as he caught it. And all eyes followed his gaze, and behold! upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but Seven Stars were about it, and a high crown above it, the signs of Elendil that no lord had borne for years beyond count. And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen daughter of Elrond; and the crown was bright in the morning, for it was wrought of mithril and gold.

Thus came Aragorn son of Arathorn, Elessar, Isildur's heir, out of the Paths of the Dead, borne upon a wind from the Sea to the kingdom of Gondor; and the mirth of the Rohirrim was a torrent of laughter and a flashing of swords, and the joy and wonder of the City was a music of trumpets and a ringing of bells. But the hosts of Mordor were seized with bewilderment, and a great wizardry it seemed to them that their own ships should be filled with their foes; and a black dread fell upon them, knowing that the tides of fate had turned against them and their doom was at hand.

East rode the knights of Dol Amroth driving the enemy before them: troll-men and Variags and orcs that hated the sunlight. South strode Eomer and men fled before his face, and they were caught between the hammer and the anvil. For now men leaped from the ships to the quays of the Harlond and swept north like a storm ...

45 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:13:23pm

re: #20 RTLM


My son now sits, far way from the "Green Zone" hunched in the top turret of an MRAP, with the lethal solace of a twin 50 to ward away the evil spirits of desert gee-haad who he sees always just over the next dune, hiding within cars in the next city traffic circle, mingled within the children of a school gate, or the care-free shoppers of the market place.

The younger men look up to him for knowledge and the protection of his wisdom from his last 3 deployments. He is the grizzled vet who landed on Normandy who is now in Germany, he is the physical life-line for those who have never seen combat, who wish they could just be close enough to him to absorb just some sort of life saving nugget. It is the way with warriors, he has been there and DONE that. He has the special secret and we must learn it from him they think.

But he is barely 25, yet he is ancient to them

46 stuiec  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:14:23pm

My little letter to the sponsors of the Stop Iran Rally.

To: 'malcolm@conferenceofpresidents.org'; 'howard.rieger@ujc.org'; 'rubinm@ujafedny.org'; 'millerm@jcrcny.org'; 'sgutow@thejcpa.org'

Sirs and Madam:

As a Masorti Jew (a member of [Congregation] in [California]), I am deeply ashamed that respected Jewish organizations succumbed to partisan pressure and rescinded their invitation to Gov. Sarah Palin to address the rally against Ahmadinejad’s appearance at the United Nations. Why would you allow partisan organizations to dictate policy to you?

Gov. Palin’s appearance at the event would have ensured a far higher profile and far more extensive media coverage of the event, leading to many more American citizens learning about the grave danger Ahmadinejad’s regime poses to the USA as well as our ally Israel. Given the misperception many Americans have that America engaged in the Iraq War only at Israel’s bidding, it’s essential that the American public understand the threat Iran’s regime poses to the USA and American interests, and not regard it simply as a parochial concern of Israel and American Jews. Disinviting Gov. Palin was a major blunder and failure to advance the agenda against Iran.

Best regards,

[stuiec]

47 RTLM  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:19:06pm

Heh - Whittle does indeed bring out the rapier wisdom.

salute -

48 rancher  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:20:25pm

re: #33 Russkilitlover

Political Piggy done in blood.

49 hazzyday  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:28:14pm
50 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:29:53pm

Charles?

Ya killed the icons?

It took me months to whittle down me crest to the required 32 bits!
Had to take a skill-saw to it in the end and the blisters on me fingers required a doctors care and weeks in bed for the love of Mike!

Ya have no mercy man!

51 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:37:33pm

AAAHHH CHARLES,

I see the ICONS now,

A lovely man ya are.

52 hazzyday  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:44:30pm

Obama an Elitist?

Sharon Cobb is worried that it is racism. But his grandmother that raised him was a banking vice president. He went to the best elite school

I do think Sarah Palin is the only regular person in the campaign. Everyone else has rich connections along the line.

53 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:47:56pm

Lately I've been thinking about what the media would try to uncover about me if I ran for President in 2024.

54 Maximu§  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:57:04pm

whats the heart for?

55 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:57:11pm

re: #53 TheMatrix31

Lately I've been thinking about what the media would try to uncover about me if I ran for President in 2024.

We're already working on it...go back to s(h)leep...

/...

56 thefarmer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:58:23pm

Recently saw an article that detailed how much Johnson or Raines overstated Fannie's profits in order to get the bonuses, no idea where that was. Anyone have links to the details?
Or links to details to the $$$ they both walked off w/ in a few short years?
I need ammo to convince some fuzzyheaded friends. TIA

57 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:02:45am

re: #56 thefarmer

It was more than $800,000 for Raines... try Googling "$800,000 raines"...

58 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:08:05am

re: #56 thefarmer
Go way back to 2003 when President Bush wanted to put over-sight on these two institutions and you will have not only a time line but a MAJOR Pooh trail (very foul) of just who blocked efforts to have this done.

FOLLOW DA M O N E Y...

59 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:42am

re: #54 Maximu§

whats the heart for?

That saves the particular comment or story in your Favorites collection.

The exclamation mark lets you either recommend or report the comment to Charles or his sidekick Stinky Beaumont.

60 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:24am

OH,

after midnight,
Morning Goddess.

61 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:34am

re: #59 victor_yugo

That saves the particular comment or story in your Favorites collection.

The exclamation mark lets you either recommend or report the comment to Charles or his sidekick Stinky Beaumont.

So we've got:
a BOO button,
a YAY! tab,
a Heart-On and
a snitch-switch.

/I'm really bored...

62 MisterCookie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:47am

re: #20 RTLM

Heh, one of my favorite lines in LOTR is said by Denethor in Return of the King(I'm trying to paraphrase from memory): "Though our vigilance may have been thankless, it was not fruitless"

Thought it was the perfect allegory for the defense of the West by the US and the inability of socialist nations to recognize they exist only through our protection. I'm surprised the author of that article didn't mention it.

63 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:16:11am

These new graphics still remind me of square gumdrops.

64 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:55am

Any golfers here?. I'm an American, but no Sergio, no Lee Westwood in the mix at Ryder Cup in the morning. Is Nick sandbagging us?

65 infopimp  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:59am

re: #34 Mike McDaniel

I'm not sure if anyone saw it, but [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...] has a piece on the Palin e-mail hack.

This article says LGF was hacked! (?)

66 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:13am
67 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:41:33am

Heads up people!

Bill O'Reilly's site also hacked

They posted a screenshot of the names, emails, passwords, addresses of his Premium members. :((

So if you have a registration there, CHANGE IT NOW.

These kids are dumb. This only makes us Conservatives get angrier, and angrier and angrier. We vote. You don't. Go on, give us more reasons to wipe the floor with you in this election.

68 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:04am

re: #67 vbspurs


Is this part of Moveon.orgs implied threat to 'out' prominent conservatives?

69 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:11am

re: #65 infopimp

This article says LGF was hacked! (?)

No, it says Bill O'Reilly's site was hacked. Premium memberships' info is compromised.

70 RTLM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:44:02am

re: #62 MisterCookie

Heh, one of my favorite lines in LOTR is said by Denethor in Return of the King(I'm trying to paraphrase from memory): "Though our vigilance may have been thankless, it was not fruitless"

Thought it was the perfect allegory for the defense of the West by the US and the inability of socialist nations to recognize they exist only through our protection. I'm surprised the author of that article didn't mention it.

You should Eject! Eject! Eject!

More often.

71 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:23am

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Is this part of Moveon.orgs implied threat to 'out' prominent conservatives?

How dreadful, if true.

This is the kind of stuff they wouldn't blink twice simply to imagine Bush/Rove doing, but they love, when they actually DO it.

The Left is currently under attack -- by their extremists. I worry about Islamic fundamentalists, big time. But it's time to start worrying about the extreme Left in America.

72 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:45am

Wow, not too sure I dig the new up/down ding icons.

73 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:48:02am

re: #72 vbspurs

I dig the avatar!

74 HD Woman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:01am

Good morning Lizards, fellow hatchlings and trolls!
Looks like Govenor Palin will be getting a speaking slot anyway. I'm sure she will take the chance to scold the Dems for being once again selfishly putting their own agenda over the world safety.
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
Sic 'em Sarah!

75 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:41am

re: #73 WindHorse

I dig the avatar!

Hehe. The Sarah Palin wig works even on arrogant elitists. ;)

76 LeePro  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:50:14am

re: #73 WindHorse

From downstairs...

[drive-by post]

Windhorse!
Did you ever make that visit to Memphis? You missed our meet-up!

77 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:54:08am

Well, since it's slow right now:

As promised my photoblog of you know who, you know where yesterday. He flabbergasted me by referencing "lipsticks and pigs" again. And incredibly, some black people were protesting him. It's apparently some kind of cult.

Anyway, good night, Lizards! :)

78 shiplord kirel  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:13am

I'm sure some of y'all saw this earlier:

Obama's lead bounces as U.S. economy turns gloomy

A latest poll by CBS News and the New York Times showed that Illinois Senator Obama led McCain by 48 percent to 43 percent, and those who surveyed believed Obama was more likely than McCain to bring needed change to Washington by a margin of 65 percent to 37 percent.

"Hello, this is an automated election year poll by the New York Times and CBS News. Please listen carefully to the following questions:

If you are an educated, nuanced, sensitive person who supports peace, prosperity, and change, and who will therefore vote for Obama/Biden, please press 'one' (because he is the ONE).

If you are a backward, ignorant, gun-clinging racist Neanderthal who has not heard the disastrous economic news and who therefore still intends to vote for McCain and his lipstick-wearing side-kick, please press Two, assuming of course that you can read numbers.

Para Espanol y Obama/Biden, oprima el tres."

79 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:57:59am

Just watched Frailty for the first time in a long while. Thats a damn fine movie.

80 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:03am

Let the Cyber Wars begin. Me thinks I'm on the good side of the firewall/

81 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:14:12am

re: #80 Mel Lono

You think my son,

Pray, how GOOD is the GOOD on this side your on?
I'll stand with you and say this side is the good.
I only hope this side is worth the fight we will be up against!

I'll drink my glass and say GOODnight.

82 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:29:47am

I am declaring this thread as mine...

83 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:49am

re: #81 nightwatch

Standing with me is all that i could ask. It is when good men stand by and do nothing that evil prevails.

84 HD Woman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:58am

Did any of you guys read this?
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes. "

What a steamy crock!

85 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:43am

re: #82 WindHorse

I am declaring this thread as mine...

re: #82 WindHorse

Dead link

It's not dead until Jerry sings.

86 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:13am

re: #85 Mel Lono

egggsellent!

87 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:53am

I'm going to sleep right through fruitcup if you folks don't liven this thread up...

88 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:53:15am

re: #87 littleoldlady

What would you like to discuss, LoL?

The Conference of Presidents, perhaps? Would that keep your eyes open?

/

89 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:09am

Temujin! :-)

You're so bad!

/yeah. that did it...

90 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:05am

re: #89 littleoldlady

I'm so bad?

/I think you're confusing me with Malcolm Hoenlein . . .

91 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:52am

You're bad in that you're going to get me started again.

/I was cursing a blue streak yesterday
//back to my days as a waitress...

;-)

92 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:53am

Actually, we were having a discussion of good v. evil but the devil didn't know I already made it home.

93 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

94 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:27am

Thank you maam!

95 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:43am

Mel! :-)

96 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:01:26am

re: #93 littleoldlady

Thank you so much, LoL!

Right on time, too!

97 Fearless Fred  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:01am

re: #88 Temujin

What would you like to discuss, LoL?

The Conference of Presidents, perhaps? Would that keep your eyes open?

/

Here -- let Monte keep your eyes open!

Howdy littleoldlady!

98 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:26am

Almost right on time. ;-)

99 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:55am

I clicked the gumdrop with the little '+' to show my approval of the fruitcup.

100 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:22am

re: #98 littleoldlady

As we used to say, close enough for State work . . .

101 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:12am

Fenway! :-)

Aren't those cute? Same colors as I did my daughter's room a few years back.

/designer buttons!

102 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:21am

re: #101 littleoldlady

LoL : we know how to press your buttons . . .

/(Heh. Heh. Muwahahahaha!)

103 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:12:32am

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

;-)

104 SouthAmericanWay  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:15:05am

Please, send this to all your undecided friends, relatives, colleagues.

It may have already been posted, but it is worth repeating: a non-conservative undecided economics professor analyzed both candidates for The Atlantic and decided for McCAIN.

His conclusion? OBAMA would mean more of the wrong kind of economic policies... I kid you not: great article.

105 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:15:08am

re: #97 Fearless Fred

almost original.
Closed my eyes and heard the real thing.

106 Fearless Fred  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:00am

re: #105 Mel Lono

almost original.
Closed my eyes and heard the real thing.

Hah hah ... yeah . . .
But you're bein' a little mean, aren't you?

107 Fearless Fred  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:20:11am

re: #98 littleoldlady

Almost right on time. ;-)

*Now* I know what's been missing from my life lately!

Hmm, good! Thanks littleoldlady.

108 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:01am

re: #101 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Aren't those cute? Same colors as I did my daughter's room a few years back.

/designer buttons!

I think another lizard refered to these as '70's appliance' colored buttons.

109 Jed 1899  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:52am

Going out tonight for our 1st anniversary.(me and wifey)
I'm gonna miss being here.
Hold the place down.

110 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:22:39am

re: #107 Fearless Fred

FRED! :-)

Howdy!

111 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:25am

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

That's the problem with color matching on computers. On my monitor they look like lime green and rose - as opposed to avocado and harvest orange.

112 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:26:56am

re: #106 Fearless Fred

not at all. you would know if i was. it comes with scars.

113 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:00am

re: #84 HD Woman

No details on controls used in the "study". Extremely small sample and lots of preconceived attitudes on what the tests measure.

114 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:45am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

*yawwwn*

*blink*blink*

115 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:11am

Miss Trixie! :-) :-) :-)

116 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:27am

re: #114 Miss Trixie


Good Morning, Miss Trixie!

117 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:32:49am

re: #115 littleoldlady

littleoldlady--- Thanks for the fruitcup. Makes a splendid suppliment to the MREs.

118 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:55am

Hiya, toots!

:D

Why I'm up at this hour, I have no idea. Just couldn't sleep past 4:30 then when Lil Miss discovered I was awak, she decided it was time to get up. So she yelled at me, we went downstairs and she yelled at me again and she's happily scarfing down some scribbled eggs with a little cheese.

/Who runs this house anyway?

:D

119 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:35:13am

re: #116 FamHistoryGuy

Good Morning, Miss Trixie!

Good morning! I'm not usually here at this hour but I am one of the DT brats later in the day. :D

The stories I could tell!

120 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:19am

re: #119 Miss Trixie

Ahh Yes the DT. They can get interesting at times.

121 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:54am

G'day from Down Under to [everyone}

Thought I'd ease back into posting here after being a slacker lurker for months

It's a warm Saturday evening here in Sydney and it's footy finals time - so I'm ready to watch the game and be entertained here as well!

122 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:23am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

re: #118 Miss Trixie

Well, the dog does, naturally.

/unless you have a cat

123 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:44am

re: #121 aussiemagpie

G'day, magpie.

It's Spring down your way, - right?

124 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:42:03am

aussiemagpie! :-) :-) :-)

125 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:45:58am

re: #123 Temujin

G'day, magpie.

It's Spring down your way, - right?

Hi, and yes! it's Spring and about time after a long winter - so sick of wearing bedsocks!

126 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:30am

Lil OLd - *snicker* I love that site.

{aussie} Darls! haven't talked to you in a while. We're headed toward autumn, the maples are blushing scarlet and this is the last official weekend of summer.

Drat.

127 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:25am

re: #121 aussiemagpie

Good evening.

Hope you are enjoying the evening and the games.

I do have some vague links there. Some very distant kin by the name of Cudd. Have not found a link back to GB yet from the US so don't know the exact relationship. My old man was a Marine on a heavy cruiser that escorted a carrier there about 1940. I need to see if I can find the pictures of his that I scanned. I was at Phan Rang AB in RVN in 69/70 when there were some Canbera's there.

128 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:58am

re: #124 littleoldlady

aussiemagpie! :-) :-) :-)

Hi {littleoldlady}

When do you pick up your award for feeding the night shift every night?

You're a marvel - rain hail or shine you're here with the famous fruitcup!

129 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:39am

re: #125 aussiemagpie

Enjoy it!

Up here everything's turning yellow and brown - and stiff . . .

130 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:01am

Award? I'm still waiting for my Zionist check!

;-)

131 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:55am

re: #130 littleoldlady

Checks? We get checks? Nobody mentioned checks.

132 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:54:09am

re: #126 Miss Trixie

Hi darls! I keep missing you :-(

Summer is just around the corner - today was just gorgeous - 30C and without the humidity

Time for you to get those boots out of the wardrobe!

133 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:56:49am

I have a hard time picturing anywhere in Australia being cold enough to bundle up with winter clothing.

Then agian, I've only been to Sydney around springtime. I imagine Tasmiania and the South Island of NZ share a similar climate.

134 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:02am

re: #132 aussiemagpie

Hi darls! I keep missing you :-(

Summer is just around the corner - today was just gorgeous - 30C and without the humidity

Time for you to get those boots out of the wardrobe!

Ack. Don't remind me. :P

135 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:01:22am

re: #131 FamHistoryGuy

Checks? We get checks? Nobody mentioned checks.

We're all Israeli / Republican / VastRightWingConspiratacy Operators (take your pick).

/didn't you get the memo?

136 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:02:27am

And some of us can't spell.

/must explain my lack of checks...

137 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:03:35am

re: #135 littleoldlady

Memo, memo. Nope, no memo here. Perhaps it is a performance based thing. Hope I did not confuse it with one of those Nigerian bank letter thingies.

138 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:03:48am

re: #135 littleoldlady

Dang!

All I got was a lousy stimulus check!

Where do we go to submit a complaint?

139 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:31am

re: #127 FamHistoryGuy

Hi, the game is just about to start and it will be a ripper for sure

Wouldn't it be wonderful to trace that connection?

I visited Vietnam a few years back - saw the American Embassy just before it was demolished

140 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:08:10am

re: #129 Temujin

Enjoy it!

Up here everything's turning yellow and brown - and stiff . . .

LOL!

Here i'm anxiously waiting for the first little green sprout on my lovely frangipani tree (my first sign of summer)

141 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:09:42am

Well I'm jonesing for a nice long soak in the tub with loads of bubblies so I'm out for a while.

Yikes! It's just past 6:00 and the sun isn't even up yet.

142 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:31am

re: #139 aussiemagpie

With that name they have to be kin of some sort. I can only get back to mid 1750's in Virginia. Of course that may not be the real name. He may have had his passage paid for by the Crown in one way or another. Some of my ancestors were reputed to be of less than gentle birth and to have associated with base and low companions.

143 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:56am

re: #133 Fenway_Nation

I have a hard time picturing anywhere in Australia being cold enough to bundle up with winter clothing.

Then agian, I've only been to Sydney around springtime. I imagine Tasmiania and the South Island of NZ share a similar climate.

Hi, it was cold here this winter - we even had a bit of that strange white stuff fall in a few suburbs of Sydney in July

Just a sprinkling but it was white and soft :-)

144 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:11:45am

re: #140 aussiemagpie

The bright spot is, the weeds are dying as well!

You can always find something positive, if you look real hard -

145 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:03am

re: #143 aussiemagpie


AL GORE LIED!

146 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:31am

re: #143 aussiemagpie

More of that global warming I assume.

147 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:20am

re: #141 Miss Trixie

See ya luv and have a wonderful Saturday

148 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:21am

re: #142 FamHistoryGuy

With that name they have to be kin of some sort. I can only get back to mid 1750's in Virginia. Of course that may not be the real name. He may have had his passage paid for by the Crown in one way or another. Some of my ancestors were reputed to be of less than gentle birth and to have associated with base and low companions.

My ancestors were kicked out of Ireland for drunken disorderliness and uttering obscenities against the Queen.

Growing up, we just called that Christmas. :P

/really out

149 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:16:24am

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

Wait, Fenway!

I hear grim predictions about the coming winter!

/You ain't seen nothin' yet!

150 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:19:26am

re: #142 FamHistoryGuy

With that name they have to be kin of some sort. I can only get back to mid 1750's in Virginia. Of course that may not be the real name. He may have had his passage paid for by the Crown in one way or another. Some of my ancestors were reputed to be of less than gentle birth and to have associated with base and low companions.

Our first white settlers all had their passages paid by the Crown - of course most of them didn't want to be here to start this prison colony!

151 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:41am

re: #144 Temujin

The bright spot is, the weeds are dying as well!

You can always find something positive, if you look real hard -

Yes, my bright spot during winter was - no flies! no mossies!

152 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:47am

re: #111 littleoldlady

That's the problem with color matching on computers. On my monitor they look like lime green and rose - as opposed to avocado and harvest orange.

You can't really fix the color-mismatch problem unless you get a monitor calibrator, which range in price somewhere between $100. and $5,000. The calibrator basically consists of an optical sensor with a cord that plugs into one of your computer's USB ports.

You hang the optical sensor directly in front of your monitor and then run a program which displays known values of Reds, Greens, and Blues on the screen, meanwhile the optical sensor reads the values of what your monitor is actually displaying. When the program finishes, it automatically adjusts your video system and calibrates it so that the monitor puts out true color values.

The higher-priced calibrators will calibrate your monitor, printer, scanner, and digital camera, while the bottom-line ones only do the monitor.
.

153 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:25:10am

re: #151 aussiemagpie

I've taken to adopting the local spiders as pets - I'm not fast enough to whack the flies these days!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

154 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:25:32am

re: #150 aussiemagpie

Our first white settlers all had their passages paid by the Crown - of course most of them didn't want to be here to start this prison colony!


We might all be in the same boat!

"Earth is an Insane Asylum, to which the other planets deport their lunatics." Voltaire (Memnon the Philosopher).

.

155 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:57am

re: #152 Tamron

Tamron! :-)

The higher-priced calibrators will calibrate your monitor, printer, scanner, and digital camera, while the bottom-line ones only do the monitor.

Do they have calibrators to compensate for the differences in human eyesight and perception?

/I'll stick with the Pantone matching System. ;-)

156 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:31:22am

Whats this with Fidel Castro having slept with 35,000 women in his time in the job?

I mean .. thats a hard boiled egg for breakfast ... every day .. stirred AND shaken ...

does he have stamina .. ego or is it just communist-ish BS as usual?

/he's WHUPPED my annual record .. dammit !

157 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:34:18am

re: #150 aussiemagpie

Tended to be a one way trip for the guards as well if I remember my history correctly.

158 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:34:34am

News from Indonesia, our northern neighbour

Wearing bikinis in Bali soon to be banned?

FIRST it was the Bali bombers, now it is law-makers in faraway Jakarta that threaten to drive Aussies from the resort island.

Bikini-clad tourists may have to cover up if a law is passed across Indonesia.

The Bill is designed to define pornography and set a moral tone across the vast, mainly Muslim archipelago.

Bali, which is mainly Hindu, is up in arms, fearing for its easy-going lifestyle and sensual charms.

The Bill, which could be passed in weeks, criminalises all public acts and material capable of raising sexual desires or violating "community morality", including poetry and music.

It has won the support of Golkar, the country's largest party, but is opposed by the Democratic Party of Struggle, backed by the former president Megawati Sukarnoputri. Democratic spokesman Made Arjaya said the Bill could hurt Bali's tourism industry, which was still recovering from the terrorist bombings in 2002 and 2005.

"I can't imagine the impact on all the hotels and the tourists we have here if the Government insists on issuing the porn law," he said.

"Everyone will probably be afraid to come to Bali."

I've not been to Bali and don't want to go there but it's a favourite place for lots of Aussies to go on holidays - even after the Bali bombings so this is rather sad for the Balinese Hindus

159 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:36:41am

re: #156 Buster Bunny

Wonder what kind of choices they were given.

160 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:36:59am

re: #153 Temujin

I've taken to adopting the local spiders as pets - I'm not fast enough to whack the flies these days!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Those spiders do a wonderful job clearing out other insects from the house :-)

Except we have some really nasty ones like redbacks which take up residence in the letterbox each summer

161 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:39:31am

re: #158 aussiemagpie

There is no joy in islam. Khoumini

Looking at his picture you saw a life of evil and hatred and how what it did to the soul affected the body.

162 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:40:12am

re: #154 Tamron

"Earth is an Insane Asylum, to which the other planets deport their lunatics." Voltaire (Memnon the Philosopher).


Love this quote! Thanks

163 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:41:27am

re: #160 aussiemagpie

Tried to clean up the backyard at my Mom's house this past few months. Never knew Kansas had so many different kinds of spiders.

164 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:43am

re: #127 FamHistoryGuy

Good evening.

Hope you are enjoying the evening and the games.

I do have some vague links there. Some very distant kin by the name of Cudd. Have not found a link back to GB yet from the US so don't know the exact relationship.

In 1930 there was a Cudd living in Iowa who immigrated from England in 1872, as well as another in New York who immigrated from England in 1918. Care to share a first name and any possible dates/locations?
.

165 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:53am

re: #157 FamHistoryGuy

Tended to be a one way trip for the guards as well if I remember my history correctly.

Yes it was a bit hard to just duck back home for a bit I reckon!

166 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:53:49am

*staggers over to buffet grabs fruitcup*
*takes sip of caffeine laced beverage*

Ahhh, I am alive. Good morning all. How goes the war?

167 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:02:03am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Good morning Blue. Must have been a really long night for most everyone else. This place is deserted.

168 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:02:12am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

*staggers over to buffet grabs fruitcup*
*takes sip of caffeine laced beverage*

Ahhh, I am alive. Good morning all. How goes the war?


G'night, Blue. Fading out.

Zzzz...

.

169 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:04:06am

re: #167 NC State of Mind

Deserted? I think I am seeing comatose lizards more like it. Those that aren't trying to sneak out the door.

/read the thread, wasn't even a troll to bounce.

170 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:04:23am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Don't mention the war!

171 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:04:30am

Night Tamron sleep well.

172 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:08:38am

re: #163 FamHistoryGuy

Tried to clean up the backyard at my Mom's house this past few months. Never knew Kansas had so many different kinds of spiders.

Hope you had gardening gloves on - last summer we had a family of redbacks living just outside the back door underneath the kitty water bowl

Had to break up that family

173 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:12:45am

MOSCOW, September 20 (Itar-Tass) -- The orbital block, made up of the Briz-M booster block and the Canadian Nimiq-4 communication satellite, got separated from the Proton-M carrier rocket, which was launched off the Baikonur cosmodrome at 01.48 on Saturday, Alexander Bobrenyov, press secretary of the Khrunichev Research and Production Centre, told Itar-Tass.

“The orbital block continues a space flight by the suborbital trajectory, which ensures the 51.5-degree inclination of the orbit,” he specified.

According to the information of the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), “in the coming five hours the march engine of the booster block will be turned on five times, as a result of which the orbital block will move from the suborbital trajectory to the final orbit, where the satellite will be separated from it.”

The time from the launching of the rocket to the separation of the space vehicle from the booster block will be 09 hours 11 minutes 20 seconds. The satellite will stay on the geostationary orbit at 82 degrees of western longitude.

The Nimiq-4 telecommunication satellite was created by the EADS Astrum Company of Europe on the order of the Telesat Canada Company, which is the Canadian operation of satellite communication. It ensures the transmission of information and TV and radio broadcasting in North America. The satellite will function for 15 years. Its mass (together with fuel) is 4,850 kilograms.

174 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:15:46am

re: #167 NC State of Mind

Good morning Blue. Must have been a really long night for most everyone else. This place is deserted.

Hi, the night is but young here in Sydney - lovely warm evening here

175 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:15:54am

Gah, got to get moving. See you folks all later.

/littleoldlady needs to put some caffeine in the fruitcup some mornings. ;)

176 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:16:37am

re: #84 HD Woman

Did any of you guys read this?
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes. "

What a steamy crock!


I guess that's why the majority of the brave men and women fighting in our military are conservatives. 'Fraidy cats.

177 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:24:28am

re: #176 NC State of Mind

I guess that's why the majority of the brave men and women fighting in our military are conservatives. 'Fraidy cats.

Yeah, their afraid of what would happen if no one fought for freedom.

/now I am gone.

178 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:27:19am

re: #76 LeePro

Did you ever make that visit to Memphis? You missed our meet-up!

I did too. :(

179 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:27:33am

re: #174 aussiemagpie

Hi, the night is but young here in Sydney - lovely warm evening here

Ah your comment struck a nerve. Last night was the first chilly night here in NC. How I envy you and your climate!

180 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:28:10am

re: #164 Tamron

Mine was a Jonathan Cud who was listed in Virginia in 1750's on a tax roll. Then what became Union Co., SC. From there to Spartanburg Co., SC then Christian Co., Ky where he died about 1815. The records are fuzzy but he seems to have had at least three families. Or perhaps it was a case of son named after father. My line is Jonathan, Jonathan Carter then Carter C. Cudd. I have done census extracts for all of the census records thru 1920 and part of 1930. The Christian Co. Cudd group went west and north while most went the southern route thru NC, SC, Ga, Al, Ms, La and Texas and up to Ok, Ar and Mo.

181 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:28:35am

Yaaar, morning guys! I am about to start on some errands and chores. Have a good day...

182 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:29:47am

re: #99 Fenway_Nation

I clicked the gumdrop with the little '+' to show my approval of the fruitcup.

That's such a good idea! I approved your approval.

183 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:35:38am

re: #179 NC State of Mind

Ah your comment struck a nerve. Last night was the first chilly night here in NC. How I envy you and your climate!

Tonight will be the first bedsockfree night for me for a few months!

184 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:37:38am

re: #156 Buster Bunny

Whats this with Fidel Castro having slept with 35,000 women in his time in the job?

I mean .. thats a hard boiled egg for breakfast ... every day .. stirred AND shaken ...

does he have stamina .. ego or is it just communist-ish BS as usual?

/he's WHUPPED my annual record .. dammit !

Oh, yeah, well Dear Leader does that every day, and hits several hole-in-ones in every round of golf.

*cough buhhshet cough*

185 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:40:06am

Herro?

*tap*tap*tap*

Is this thing on?

186 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:42:39am

Good Morning Lizards...
hey..Blue..you usually sign off before i get here..good morning

187 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:43:08am

Goit to go for now. BBL

188 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:43:25am

good morning miss trixie..

189 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:43:48am

re: #45 nightwatch

My son now sits, far way from the "Green Zone" hunched in the top turret of an MRAP, with the lethal solace of a twin 50 to ward away the evil spirits of desert gee-haad who he sees always just over the next dune, hiding within cars in the next city traffic circle, mingled within the children of a school gate, or the care-free shoppers of the market place.

The younger men look up to him for knowledge and the protection of his wisdom from his last 3 deployments. He is the grizzled vet who landed on Normandy who is now in Germany, he is the physical life-line for those who have never seen combat, who wish they could just be close enough to him to absorb just some sort of life saving nugget. It is the way with warriors, he has been there and DONE that. He has the special secret and we must learn it from him they think.

But he is barely 25, yet he is ancient to them

{nightwatch}

God bless him, and all those around him.

190 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:44:09am

Nebraska plant fires (86) Muslims amid prayer dispute! change!

191 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:45:19am

Good morning, HH!

How's by you today?

192 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:45:37am

re: #190 akak

Link?

193 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:46:00am

{mamawinger}? Is that really you?

Where HAVE you been young lady - I've missed you!

194 polo02332  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:46:22am

The Messiah without his telepromter! Pretty Scary! Watch how he points to his eyes to indicate to his handlers that the prompter is down.

195 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:47:18am

re: #192 Dar ul Harb

Link?


[Link: www.statesman.com...]

196 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:47:18am

I doing great miss trixie..It's a beautiful day..all is good...
how goes it your way?

197 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:48:49am

re: #193 Miss Trixie

{mamawinger}? Is that really you?

Where HAVE you been young lady - I've missed you!

Hello there Miss Trixie! How are you? Thanks sweets - it's nice to be back :)

198 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:51:03am

BTW..I have one bitch..apparently Indiana for the first time since JFK is 'in play' Obama must have got the memo..
Now it's wall to wall tv ads...
I wish to gawd he'd play more than one..the same one..over and over..
I've got it memorized..please help me..I'm watching ESPN and it's like every 10 minutes..'Hi I'm Barak Obama' HELP!
/

199 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:53:53am

re: #196 HoosierHoops

I doing great miss trixie..It's a beautiful day..all is good...
how goes it your way?

We've a loverly late summer day though a tad on the cool side and it's all downhill from here.

Been up since 4:30, wanted to soak in the tub but didn't realize I didn't have a stopper so took an extended shower instead. I've a date with a friend for late brekkie in a couple hours then I have to see if I can buy a pair of closed-toe shoes before winter sets in.

200 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:54:26am

re: #195 akak

Thanks.

Not that I didn't believe you, but one should never be putting up a headline without a link, unless the story is breaking...

201 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:54:33am

re: #194 polo02332

Like the Ch0sen 0ne, next time I start talking gibberish, I'll just point to my eyes and keep nattering on about nothing. Seems to be one of those dark side mind trick things.

202 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:55:28am

re: #197 mama winger

Hello there Miss Trixie! How are you? Thanks sweets - it's nice to be back :)

You're returned to the fold - good news, luv. How's your son and more importantly, how are you? Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?

203 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:57:05am

Good Morning LGF.
Looks like the boat's been pretty much bailed out but the hard (and expensive) part is next - replacing the rotten boards and fixing the leaks.

204 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:57:35am

re: #84 HD Woman

Did any of you guys read this?
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes*. "

What a steamy crock!

*In other words, after cooking the data to produce the demographics the researcher wanted. Reading more deeply, what the researcher failed to realize is that conservative people can recognize evil when they see it, whereas as liberals & leftists look at a Che poster and think he's "Kewl!"

Unintentionally, this study explains how liberals & leftists excuse the crimes of Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Saddam, Kim Jong Il and the Iranian mullahs. They just don't recognize evil when it's staring at them.

205 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:10am

re: #199 Miss Trixie

We've a loverly late summer day though a tad on the cool side and it's all downhill from here.

Been up since 4:30, wanted to soak in the tub but didn't realize I didn't have a stopper so took an extended shower instead. I've a date with a friend for late brekkie in a couple hours then I have to see if I can buy a pair of closed-toe shoes before winter sets in.

We are going shopping later for food and booze..It's my birthday Sunday and everybody is coming over..Mrs. Hoopster is cooking and she will put up with the cigar smoke and loud mouthed buddies while we watch the football game..

206 tappin52  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:16am

Morning everyone. Thanks for the fruit, LoL. I feel healthier already.

207 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:38am

re: #194 polo02332

The Messiah without his telepromter! Pretty Scary! Watch how he points to his eyes to indicate to his handlers that the prompter is down.

[Link: www.southernappeal.org...]

Heh. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! The great and powerful OZ has spoken!

208 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #189 mama winger

Welcome back, we missed you! I hope all is well in your neck of the woods. How's your brave son doing?

209 Geepers  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:59:42am

polo02332 (#194),

That was a while ago. I don't think he was using a TelePrompTer. And that pointing is him attempting to imitate some kid using a breathalyser inhalator.

Regardless, the "great orator" moniker the press has gifted Obama with is one of the most ridiculous things they ever done. He 'um's, 'ah's, 'er's, and gaffs he way through all his unscripted responses.

210 tedzilla99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:01:33am

The Hudsucker Proxy - a fantastic and underrated picture. You know, for kids.

211 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:02:28am

re: #202 Miss Trixie

You're returned to the fold - good news, luv. How's your son and more importantly, how are you? Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?

Little Winger is great ! He's at seminary until he gets re-deployed to Iraq in January. I'm just fine - actually I am just leaving for work. Got to keep those puppies healthy and happy :)

See you later Little Missy, and give my hugs to the wee doggie. :)

212 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:03:22am

re: #204 Kenneth

The study doesn't seem to explain how people can change their beliefs. Typical academic mindset.

213 tappin52  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:05:04am

I've come to the conclusion that an attractive woman who keeps herself in shape after five children, and lives a good, honest life with her decent family, stirs up a lot of guilt in those who have cheated, have been lazy, and have not accomplished what they had the potential to do.

214 Lively  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:05:54am

re: #195 akak

[Link: www.statesman.com...]

From your link:

Mohamed Rage, who leads the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said 80 workers were thrown out after an altercation late Thursday.

Get a load of the Muslim spokeperson's name!

215 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:09:37am

Todd: new
Sarah: new
Todd: clear
Sarah: clear
Todd: new clear
Sarah: new clear
Todd: nuclear
Sarah: nucular
Todd: ...G'night, dear.
Sarah: G'night, hun.

216 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:09:50am

&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday Dear Hoosier &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You! &#9836 &#9834

And many mooore!

:D

217 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:11:30am

Great to see you mama and have a great day. I'll be sure to give Lil Miss your cuddles.

218 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:14:46am

re: #211 mama winger

Mama Winger! Nice to see you.

219 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:16:12am

Let the whining begin.

"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

Pay no attention to the fact that the candidate is an empty suit with George Soros' hand up his ass.

220 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:16:17am
221 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:18:20am

re: #216 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to You ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to You ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday Dear Hoosier ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to You! ♬ ♪

And many mooore!

:D

Thank you Miss Trixie.. I printed that picture out..
that is funny.. :)

222 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:19:39am

Good morning, all.

Looks like somebody actually found lipstick on a pig...

223 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:20:36am

re: #219 The Other Les

Let the whining begin.

"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

Pay no attention to the fact that the candidate is an empty suit with George Soros' hand up his ass.

What about "Racial views steer 99% of blacks to support Obama"
Would it be racist to print that instead?

224 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:20:40am

re: #220 ploome hineni

I am getting anxious just looking at those dangerous pathways

Whoa..me too..what a kewl video

225 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:21:24am

HOOSIER! Try this trick at your birthday dinner for fits and giggles!

:D

226 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:22:27am
227 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:22:56am
228 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:23:51am

re: #225 Miss Trixie

HOOSIER! Try this trick at your birthday dinner for fits and giggles!

:D

LOL
that is great!

229 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:25:01am

re: #222 christheprofessor

Good morning, all.

Looks like somebody actually found lipstick on a pig...

Perfect! LOL.

230 Geepers  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:26:09am

Kenneth (#204),

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes*. "

More on this from NewsBusted:

Anatomy of a Biased Headline

Let's start with a recent study funded by the National Science Foundation, in which researchers lay claim to this finding:

Some Political Views May be Related to Physiology

Science Magazine's actual headline was similarly non-insulting:

Political Attitudes Vary with Physiological Traits

Seems pretty neutral right? Let's see how the media took that headline and ran with it...

The Toronto Star took words from the very same study, placed then in a hat along with a few other descriptors, shook it up, and out came:

Liberals flinch less, conservatives more, study finds

National Geographic took up the conservatives = cowards theme with their headline:

Conservatives Have Stronger Startle Reflexes?

The Daily Mail went with this gem:

Right-wingers more startled by sudden noises and spiders than liberals, study finds

Sky News decided this would be fair and balanced:

Nervy? You're Probably Right-Wing

ABC News had this to say:

Easily Startled? It Could Reflect Your Politics

Those Who Startle Easily More Likely to Favor Iraq War, New Study Says

Wired Science decided to dispense with the theatrics, and just cut to the heart of their biased viewpoint, flat-out referring to conservatives as ‘scared.'

Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists

Basically just the "press" making shit up to suport their views.

231 Geepers  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:27:22am

Morning ploome.

232 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:27:28am

That dangerous pathway is great. From 5:46 onwards is the fun part.

*sigh*

Life is so great.

233 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:28:13am

re: #219 The Other Les

Let the whining begin.

"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

Pay no attention to the fact that the candidate is an empty suit with George Soros' hand up his ass.

George Soreass. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

234 kansas  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:28:52am

re: #53 TheMatrix31

Lately I've been thinking about what the media would try to uncover about me if I ran for President in 2024.

That would depend on your party affliation. If a Democrat they would uncover your patriotic service, your helping old ladies cross streets, your philanthropic gestures, and your over all God like qualities while not mentioning God.

If a Republican they would just throw shit in every direction, you child molestor.

235 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:29:22am

re: #233 sparrowlake

George Soreass. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Woulnd't Obama be the one with a sore--never mind.

Good morning, Lizards!

236 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:30:18am

{Goddess}
Good Morning..

237 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:33:18am

re: #236 HoosierHoops

{Goddess}
Good Morning..

{HoosierHoops}!

Happy birthday! I hope it's a wonderful day for you.

238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:33:20am
239 kansas  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:33:25am

re: #104 SouthAmericanWay

Please, send this to all your undecided friends, relatives, colleagues.

It may have already been posted, but it is worth repeating: a non-conservative undecided economics professor analyzed both candidates for The Atlantic and decided for McCAIN.

His conclusion? OBAMA would mean more of the wrong kind of economic policies... I kid you not: great article.

Unfortunately it won't be on BET or Telemundo, or MSBNC or ABC for that matter.

240 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:34:58am

re: #222 christheprofessor

Good morning, all.

Looks like somebody actually found lipstick on a pig...

Hi {CTP}

Luckily that 'pig" lives over there and not here - thankfully!

241 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #235 goddessoftheclassroom

Woulnd't Obama be the one with a sore--never mind.

Good morning, Lizards!

Good morning, teach!
And nah, after the first thousand times...never mind.

242 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:35:22am
243 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:36:10am

re: #225 Miss Trixie

HOOSIER! Try this trick at your birthday dinner for fits and giggles!

:D

HAHA! Miss Trixie, might steal that one and try it at work :-)

244 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:37:14am

re: #242 ploome hineni

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.

It is better to be feared than loved...

245 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:38:39am

This, however, is just plain crazy.

246 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:39:34am

re: #238 ploome hineni

A ridiculous spectacle. Biden, meet cliff.

247 kansas  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:39:54am

re: #242 ploome hineni

Preachin to the choir. Hey, I was thinkin since Bill Clinton left us with that imaginary surplus, that the minute Obama is elected maybe he's right, the seas will part, the global temp will go down, the economy will improve and the war will end. What he means is, the media will stop slinging shit and just print only positives. Can you even imagine the next 4 years of Palin bashing? Depressing actually.

248 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:40:11am

re: #22 Moe Katz

You play an antique? Does it have ivory keys?

249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:40:50am
250 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:41:41am

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.

It is better to be feared than loved...

Hi there!

Agree totally - just about everything hinges on the value of your $

251 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:42:22am

re: #233 sparrowlake

Is that something like being 'fisked'?

252 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:42:53am

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.

It is better to be feared thand loved...


/first time I've ever corrected a teachers paper.. :)

253 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:43:02am

re: #249 ploome hineni

Used to be, attempted guilt-tripping like that was part of the schtick.

254 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:43:48am

re: #252 HoosierHoops

/first time I've ever corrected a teachers paper.. :)

Machiavelli would not be pleased!

255 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:44:07am

re: #235 goddessoftheclassroom

thump thump thump thump thump

256 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:44:33am
I like Sen. Obama very much. I have met him. He is a very intelligent man.

Oh, bullshit.

257 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:46:31am
258 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:47:21am
So put forward the arguments and demonstrations, Simplicio - either yours or Aristotle's - but not just texts and bare authorities, because our discourses must relate to the sensible world and not to one on paper.

Galileo, The Dialogue

259 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:49:31am
260 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:49:59am
261 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:50:27am
262 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:08am

re: #260 ploome hineni

or doI have to go downstairs and make it myself?

(wahhh)

There is a pot of Sumatra on..Cream and sugar?

263 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #259 ploome hineni

anyone making coffee?

I've got some right here!

Cup of nice, strong dark roast!

May I serve you?

264 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:36am

Arrr, maties, finished my morning chores. I am grooving to Pandora now. If you are into music give it a shot. I ran into it about a year ago while tracking down streaming audio users. Very cool...

265 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:48am

re: #257 ploome hineni

Cf. Acton.

Keep the tar and feathers handy. The good people don't make headlines. When they do, they shine and make the roaches run for cover. We hear the usual shrieking from the damned, whose very nature it is to project.

266 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:53:36am
267 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:53:41am

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.
It is better to be feared than loved...

America is the envy of virtually the entire world. And it's very difficult to love someone you envy. I don't know if fear is better than love, but it is definitely necessary to be feared in this fucked up world.

268 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:53:52am

re: #263 reine.de.tout

I've got some right here!

Cup of nice, strong dark roast!

May I serve you?

Here.

269 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:54:15am

re: #264 loflyer

Arrr, maties, finished my morning chores. I am grooving to Pandora now. If you are into music give it a shot. I ran into it about a year ago while tracking down streaming audio users. Very cool...

Talk like a pirate day ended yesterday. Please.

270 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:54:47am

Oh no, it's "pirate day" again?

271 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:18am

Reine! Things drying out?

272 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:25am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that [T]hugo is busy being thuggish and doesn't want people looking over his shoulders to see what he's been up to. He expelled two HRW workers, saying that they were in cahoots with the US. Right... he just doesn't want anyone getting in the way of his socialist plans for the country and restricting criticism is just one part of that.

Funny, then, is seeing Charlie Rangel attempting to turn the situation around and blame those investigating or prying deeper into his tax mess, saying that he's paid his back taxes (and I call BS on that because he's only paid the amounts claimed to be owed for the Punta Cana villa only - not all the other taxes evaded from unreported sales of homes, rental income, imputed income, etc.) and that settles things (and yes, you can be assured that's a whole lot more than $10k in taxes owed).

273 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:25am
274 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:33am

re: #269 reine.de.tout

Talk like a pirate day ended yesterday. Please.

Haar! I am into it! Humor me. It's fun...

275 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:56:23am

re: #269 reine.de.tout

LOL. That was Lo, Flyer.

276 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:19am

{reine}
how is the new stove..What did you cook first?

277 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:19am

re: #271 godfrey

Reine! Things drying out?

Yes, indeedy!
How are you?

278 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:43am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (56 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

279 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:46am
280 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:06am

re: #276 HoosierHoops

{reine}
how is the new stove..What did you cook first?

The new stove is a thing of beauty, truly. Ceramic glass top, it's beautiful.

1st thing - a hamburger (for the dog).

281 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:32am

re: #278 realwest

Good, Real. I'm about ready for my - morning nap! LOL.

282 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:37am
283 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:57am

re: #272 lawhawk

I expect thugs like Chavez to seize the reins once in a while. It seems endemic. What really saddens me is how easily the tender-minded allow his reign to abuse them, mentally. They are so easily attracted to "strong men," fuhrers, thugs, that, if the latter just say the right things, make the right noises about "economic justice" &c., the tender-minded will just roll right over, get that glassy smile, and let themselves be thoroughly rogered.

284 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:59:28am

re: #272 lawhawk

I blame Bush!
/

285 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:59:29am

{realwest} Morning, hunnie *smoochie* So glad you've arrived - I was just on my way out the door in a couple of minutes.

286 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:59:52am

re: #282 ploome hineni

ahhh

thanks touts, made on the new stove?

:)


Aw, no. In the Krups coffeemaker.

New stove cooked a hamburger for the dog. Not good for him, but he was feeling a little low so he got a treat.

287 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:28am

re: #278 realwest

Hiya real. Things sunny here, too. I should probably get out there and enjoy it.

Reine, I'm doing fine, thanks!

/off to the farmer's market

288 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:38am

re: #273 ploome hineni

I would have offered you some of my coffee when you first came on about it, but I was in my SockPuppy disguise, waiting for goddess.

/frustration ... being a sock isn't all fun and games

289 joan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:52am

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Really wonderful and heartening essay

290 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:53am

re: #278 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (56 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Yaar, morning Real! A beautiful day in ATL! I am still in pirate mode, much to the disgust of my fellow lizards. I'll get over it.
/maybe not...

291 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:01:45am

re: #290 loflyer

Yaar, morning Real! A beautiful day in ATL! I am still in pirate mode, much to the disgust of my fellow lizards. I'll get over it.
/maybe not...

Prolly only me.

292 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:02:03am

re: #279 goddessoftheclassroom

If Machiavelli were a cat

DAMN, I'm sure glad I'd swallowed that mouthful of coffee!

293 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:02:20am

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

294 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:02:45am

re: #291 reine.de.tout

Prolly only me.

Mate, they usually crap on me shoulder...

295 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:03:01am

re: #258 godfrey

So put forward the arguments and demonstrations, Simplicio - either yours or Aristotle's - but not just texts and bare authorities, because our discourses must relate to the sensible world and not to one on paper.
Galileo, The Dialogue

Hi, and great quote!

Perfect to give to man made GW believers to think about

296 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:03:04am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

Yikes!

*thump*

297 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:03:04am

re: #288 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I would have offered you some of my coffee when you first came on about it, but I was in my SockPuppy disguise, waiting for goddess.

/frustration ... being a sock isn't all fun and games

I want a sock puppy!
/not sure why..but everybody else has one..
Cheap to feed and hopefully you never need to clean up after it.

298 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:04:33am

re: #283 godfrey

Indeed. Chavez talks in terms of populism and demagoguery, but the end result is to accumulate power while the public loses. It's little more than a power grab, or the end of democracy under thunderous applause.

299 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:04:53am

re: #280 reine.de.tout

The new stove is a thing of beauty, truly. Ceramic glass top, it's beautiful.

1st thing - a hamburger (for the dog).

You cook hamburgers for your dog?!? WOW!
I'll get back into SockPuppy mode and be right over!

300 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:05:06am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

Oh, I'm glad (well, sort of) those days are over for me.

At that age, it seems like young Reine and her friends had no idea that I had ears and the sense of hearing. They would talk and talk and talk and if I had the sense to keep my mouth shut, they would keep talking, and I would hear everything that was going on

301 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:05:53am

re: #299 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You cook hamburgers for your dog?!? WOW!
I'll get back into SockPuppy mode and be right over!

hee-hee.
and the cats get to split a can of tuna every day. Tuna - Cocaine For Cats.

302 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:23am

re: #278 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (56 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Hi {darls}

I'm baaack...no more just lurking around for me!

303 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:29am

re: #297 HoosierHoops

I want a sock puppy!
/not sure why..but everybody else has one..
Cheap to feed and hopefully you never need to clean up after it.

You just haven't seen the carpet in here.

304 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:54am

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Oh, I'm glad (well, sort of) those days are over for me.

At that age, it seems like young Reine and her friends had no idea that I had ears and the sense of hearing. They would talk and talk and talk and if I had the sense to keep my mouth shut, they would keep talking, and I would hear everything that was going on

Listening to boys is HILARIOUS! I'm just thankful they aren't spending the night.

305 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:55am

I'm out - have a great day everyone. :D

306 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #278 realwest

And a fine morning back to you! The animals woke me up early, so I got to see a spectacular sunrise (apparently courtesy of the Kasatochi volcano in the Aleutians) and now they're back to sleep and I'm not. Finishing my coffee, and then...chores. Hope you're feeling well.

307 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:07:10am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

WOW! Hang tough.
MWAH!

308 drpangloss  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:07:54am

is THIS the BIGGEST financial crisis since the 1930s?

experts, opine.

just because NPR says so, means it aint so

309 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:08:08am

re: #301 reine.de.tout

hee-hee.
and the cats get to split a can of tuna every day. Tuna - Cocaine For Cats.

Arrr, I love my dogs, but I don't cook for 'em, the best they get are those "beggin' strips". They love me for some reason I don't understand...

310 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:09:06am

re: #281 Cap'n DOC
Hey Cap'n DOC - me too! LOL! I'm ok, just really tired, but I've got one cuppa coffee in me and no way I can nap now!

311 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:09:48am

re: #301 reine.de.tout

Tuna - Cocaine For Cats

ROFLMAO

Had a cat in the distant past. When a chicken was brought home from the supermarket, the cat glued herself to the kitchen floor. She knew the neck was hers.

312 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:09:54am

re: #309 loflyer

Arrr, I love my dogs, but I don't cook for 'em, the best they get are those "beggin' strips". They love me for some reason I don't understand...

Dogs are like that.
Cats, on the other hand . . . I love my cats, but even the tuna isn't enough to keep 'em from getting pissy with me.

313 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:10:21am

re: #285 {Miss Trixie}
Good morning gorgeous and *smooch* back to ya - where are you going so early on a Saturday - not work I hope?

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:10:51am

re: #310 realwest

Good morning!

315 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:11:33am

re: #311 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO

Had a cat in the distant past. When a chicken was brought home from the supermarket, the cat glued herself to the kitchen floor. She knew the neck was hers.

When it's "tuna time", the cats all know it, and if I'm late getting it to them, they actually tell me "It's Time Now!".

The oldest one will start beating on the window with her head, and then all four of them will sit on the porch, in front of the door, staring at the front door.

316 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:11:55am

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Dogs are like that.
Cats, on the other hand . . . I love my cats, but even the tuna isn't enough to keep 'em from getting pissy with me.


That doesn't mean they don't love you!

317 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:09am

re: #290 loflyer
Yaar yourownself - stop this silly pirate talk now, loflyer - I don't think I can deal with it just yet - I'm too awake to go back to sleep, but not awake enough for pirate talk! LOL!

318 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:32am

re: #316 goddessoftheclassroom

That doesn't mean they don't love you!

Great photo! Yes, we have moments like that, too.

319 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:46am

re: #317 realwest

Yaar yourownself - stop this silly pirate talk now, loflyer - I don't think I can deal with it just yet - I'm too awake to go back to sleep, but not awake enough for pirate talk! LOL!

THANK YOU!

320 Armywife  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:54am

Ok animal lovers on board - I need potty training help. Not for me, but for the chihuahuas. They just don't care about going outside. I made their pen smaller for the times I am not home, that worked for about a week, then nope! They are 1.5 years old, as cute as can be, but this is getting ridiculous! I am thinking doggie door next, but the issue there is one thinks if he gets to the deck, that is good enough! I need a dog trainer that they can go live with for a week or so and come back potty trained.

I told my German shepherd No once when she was a puppy, hasn't had an accident since...

321 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:13:45am

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Dogs are like that.
Cats, on the other hand . . . I love my cats, but even the tuna isn't enough to keep 'em from getting pissy with me.

Matey, I am more of a cat person than dogs. The dogs are left from a failed marriage, my ex thought the dogs would help me through the divorce, she was right, and I dearly love the little guys...
/Arrr

322 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:15:12am

re: #317 realwest

Yaar yourownself - stop this silly pirate talk now, loflyer - I don't think I can deal with it just yet - I'm too awake to go back to sleep, but not awake enough for pirate talk! LOL!

I'll try to oblige, but the concept is so fun! It's pointless and silly. What's to not like about it, shipmate!

323 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:15:13am

re: #320 Armywife

Ok animal lovers on board - I need potty training help. Not for me, but for the chihuahuas. They just don't care about going outside. I made their pen smaller for the times I am not home, that worked for about a week, then nope! They are 1.5 years old, as cute as can be, but this is getting ridiculous! I am thinking doggie door next, but the issue there is one thinks if he gets to the deck, that is good enough! I need a dog trainer that they can go live with for a week or so and come back potty trained.

I told my German shepherd No once when she was a puppy, hasn't had an accident since...

Army wife - my dog is part chihuahua, part terrier. Had a similar problem.
We got some of those doggie-pads you can put on the floor. They are treated somehow to attract the dog. These have worked well.
We made sure we took him out for a walk several times a day - now we don't need the doggie-pads anymore, he sort of "trained" himself to like the outside better. It took awhile, but the doggie-pads really made life a lot easier while we waited.

324 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:15:48am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom {goddesss} oy, I don't know how you can survive having EIGHT 12-13 year old boys over for that long! GACK! Do you have some back up help - I mean any other mom's coming over to help keep you from losing your mind?!
And how old is your baby lizard today? Tell 'em I said Happy Birthday!
I HONESTLY don't know how you can deal with 8 of 'em at one time.
Good luck {goddess}!

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:16:56am
326 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:17:19am

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

327 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:17:55am

re: #301 reine.de.tout
Hey, good morning reine! I hope you've got lots of hamburger meat cause I suspect a lot of us lizards are headed your way and we're they're hungry, too! LOL!

328 Armywife  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:18:28am

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Looks like that is a route we will need to take. Especially as winter comes upon us, I am not sure they will let themselves out if its too cold.

329 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:12am

re: #302 aussiemagpie

Hey good evening to you Lil Roo! Glad to see you out here again! Where've you been and watcha been up to?

330 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:15am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

It doesn't always happen that the US changes to the opposite party in times of trouble, and I am hoping it doesn't happen this time.

Only 1/2 the US electorate is crazy. When you look at the "popular" vote count during presidential elections, it is often very close - 49%/51%.

331 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:31am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

No we aren't. Our facken' media is in love with the bilge-rat and that is what everyone see's on the tube. Stick to the Internet if you want to know what is really going.

332 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:55am

re: #321 loflyer

Then in honor of your cats, a suitably salty salutation found in just about every one of A. Bertram Chandler's novels: "Come In. This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!" Feel free to add the Arrrs.

333 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:23am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

Hi fellow Aussie!

I'm hoping we don't stick with the incumbent in 2010 when we we're going down the gurgler!

334 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:25am

re: #306 Pullus Iulius
Morning! Uh, what animals and how come you're letting THEM go back to sleep when they woke you up and you CAN'T go back to sleep?!?

335 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:33am

re: #327 realwest

Hey, good morning reine! I hope you've got lots of hamburger meat cause I suspect a lot of us lizards are headed your way and we're they're hungry, too! LOL!

Well, great! I'm going to bake a cake today. It will be nice to see what happens when I can bake a cake - my old stove could only "broil" for years. Broiled cakes are strange.

336 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:40am

re: #326 Crux Australis

Is the US so stupid and blind?


an embarrassingly large part of it is, yes.

337 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:46am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

Two words..
Jimmy Carter

338 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:21:09am

re: #328 Armywife

Looks like that is a route we will need to take. Especially as winter comes upon us, I am not sure they will let themselves out if its too cold.

The pads really do work.

339 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:21:18am

re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cats take
Dogs give
(already sent, but so VERY appropriate)

I leave you with this

Baby Lizard turned 13 on Tuesday. We're off to Wal-Mart for Nerf bullets...


I will try to report later after I barricade myself in the study...

340 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:21:26am

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat Good morning to you, too! How are ya today?!

341 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:22:05am

If only LGF had a grammar checker. My last post?!?!?!?!crazy

342 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:22:35am

re: #339 goddessoftheclassroom

I leave you with this

Baby Lizard turned 13 on Tuesday. We're off to Wal-Mart for Nerf bullets...


I will try to report later after I barricade myself in the study...

Goddess - you also might think about disabling all of the locks in the house. Boys seem to be able to lock themselves into places and not get out (3 younger brothers, I am familiar with boys).

343 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:22:59am

re: #332 Pullus Iulius

Then in honor of your cats, a suitably salty salutation found in just about every one of A. Bertram Chandler's novels: "Come In. This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!" Feel free to add the Arrrs.

Don't let the "cat out of the bag" matey, it can come to haunt you...Hopefully I will stride through the Liberty hall some day...

344 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:24:44am

re: #329 realwest

Hey good evening to you Lil Roo! Glad to see you out here again! Where've you been and watcha been up to?

Hi darls

it's been a glorious spring day here in Sydney and we had a lovely lunch at a local club - and Julie was there too - she's doing so well now - and not one trip to hospital since March last year!

My son is now in Hawaii - they'll be back tomorrow night after 4 wonderful weeks in the US - they LOVED it and now I'm a bit worried that they might move there...

They were really happy to have met a few of my LGF friends in Cleveland and New Jersey too

345 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:25:11am

re: #334 realwest

Morning! Uh, what animals and how come you're letting THEM go back to sleep when they woke you up and you CAN'T go back to sleep?!?

Two cats. A Provident Lord gave them the whole world to use for a cat bed. He gave Adam coffee. We got the better half of the deal, which is why they're sleeping and I'm up.

346 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:25:42am

re: #333 aussiemagpie
Hey {Aussiemagpie} - a "gurgler"?!? Wow, you guys are sorta like the Brits (don't hit me!) you sorta speak english, but not really! LOL!
Serioulsy I can guess at "gurgler" but try to stick to english next time, m'kay?!

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:25:49am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

You mean like you stuck with Howard?
(sorry, that was a low blow)

The problem is that both times and mentality have changed. America tends (tends) to be more self-centered now. I was born during WWII. We were simply different then.

348 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:26:30am
349 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:26:39am

re: #264 loflyer

Arrr, maties, finished my morning chores. I am grooving to Pandora now. If you are into music give it a shot. I ran into it about a year ago while tracking down streaming audio users. Very cool...

I'm "not into music", but I typed in Jorma Kaukonen just for drill.
I'm into music now.
Thanks for the link!

350 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:00am

BBL mates, or G'day to the Aussies...

351 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:15am

re: #346 realwest

Hey {Aussiemagpie} - a "gurgler"?!? Wow, you guys are sorta like the Brits (don't hit me!) you sorta speak english, but not really! LOL!
Serioulsy I can guess at "gurgler" but try to stick to english next time, m'kay?!


LOL! I'll get my translator ready for the next post :-)

352 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:34am

re: #335 reine.de.tout
Broiled cakes are strange? LOL and ROFL! I didn't even know you COULD broil a cake!
And hey, what's with the bitching about loflyer's talking like a pirate and then updinging him, hmmm?
;')

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:52am

re: #339 goddessoftheclassroom

I leave you with this

Baby Lizard turned 13 on Tuesday. We're off to Wal-Mart for Nerf bullets...

I will try to report later after I barricade myself in the study...

that's a huge AWWW moment!

Stop by the sporting goods store and pick up a shotgun.

354 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:28:26am

re: #350 loflyer

BBL mates, or G'day to the Aussies...

G'day and see you later!

355 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:28:47am

Good morning Lizards... morning real...

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:33am

re: #340 realwest

Good morning to you, too! How are ya today?!

Doing fine. Going out to get a haircut later, so I'll get absolutely light-headed before the day's over.

357 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:43am

re: #341 Crux Australis

If you're using firefox, there's a built in spell checker, which highlights misspelled or unknown words. Very helpful, especially when blogging. :)

358 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:51am

re: #333 aussiemagpie

Hi fellow Aussie!

I'm hoping we don't stick with the incumbent in 2010 when we we're going down the gurgler!

I think Australia is a portent of what's to come if Obama wins the election in November.

The Labor Party in Australia is a "do nothing" party the same as the US House and Senate Democrats. Australia is slowly but surely headed for a huge fail. It's only China buying up Australia's natural resources that's keeping our head above water.

359 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:59am

re: #349 jwb7605

I'm "not into music", but I typed in Jorma Kaukonen just for drill.
I'm into music now.
Thanks for the link!

Cough cough... But have you clicked my nic?

360 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:30:20am

re: #345 Pullus Iulius
Uh, "We got the better half of the deal, which is why they're sleeping and I'm up."
So how does that mean WE got the better half of the deal (he says looking at his bed wistfully!)?

361 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:31:50am

re: #355 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - no work today?! And yet you're still up and on LGF!

362 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:31:56am

re: #360 realwest

Uh, "We got the better half of the deal, which is why they're sleeping and I'm up."
So how does that mean WE got the better half of the deal (he says looking at his bed wistfully!)?

Whats with retired people staying in bed all danged day long anyway?

363 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:25am

BBIAM!

364 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:26am

re: #361 realwest

Good morning dorian - no work today?! And yet you're still up and on LGF!

Ummm, actually I do have to work today... grump grump...

365 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:30am

re: #349 jwb7605

I've been listening to the new Metallica album. Much improved over their past three releases (load, reload, and st. anger). It's easily their best release since the black album, although it doesn't exactly have a radio friendly track - because the songs are all over 4 minutes (and many of the songs are quite intricate in their musical arrangements).

366 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:50am

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Well, great! I'm going to bake a cake today. It will be nice to see what happens when I can bake a cake - my old stove could only "broil" for years. Broiled cakes are strange.

(coming from Dallas) I'm already past Tyler, galloping like mad, heading for the state line.

367 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:33:52am

re: #348 ploome hineni

I have read that dogs should not eat fish, and yet isn;t that what they feed the Iditerod dogs in Alaska?

I think it's the fish bones that are a problem for dogs. If the bones are removed, fish is OK. I know my dog likes the tuna as much as the cats do.

Here is a page: Toxic Food and Plants for Dogs

368 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:34:02am

So, for those following the Rangel mess, I've posted new updates. He paid tax, but only one portion of undeclared income. There's lots more of where that came from, and we're not even talking penalties and interest imposed by the IRS or NYS. Yet, Rangel would have you believe that it's the GOPs fault for the mess he's in.

Sorry Charlie. You are a tax cheat and crook.

369 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:35:34am

re: #352 realwest

Broiled cakes are strange? LOL and ROFL! I didn't even know you COULD broil a cake!
And hey, what's with the bitching about loflyer's talking like a pirate and then updinging him, hmmm?
;')

I shall upding who I want, for any reason. I think loflyer's funny.

370 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:35:39am

re: #368 lawhawk

Sorry Charlie. You are a tax cheat and crook.

And a sleaze bag politician to boot...

371 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:39:09am

re: #368 lawhawk
Hey good morning lawhawk - boy, I have to say I admire the way you've stayed on Rangel's case over all this - that S.O.B. ought to AT LEAST have his comittee chairmanship yanked by Pelosi but after all, this is a Democratic Lefty we're talking about, so short of an axe-murder with CCTV and 11 witnessess, the party will not hurt him.

372 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:39:55am

re: #369 reine.de.tout
OK, OK, OK! No reason to get snippy you, you cake broiler you!

373 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:39:58am

Published: September 19, 2008 - 9:34 PM
A reader sent this link to an exclusive CBS 2 HD report that says Democrats threatened the tax exempt status of Jewish organizations involved in the rally if they didn't pull Sarah Palin's invitation:

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats...The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, "it could jeopardize their tax exempt status" if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.
So all politicians were disinvited, most prominently, Palin.

"It's an absolute shame that this has happened," Hikind said. "To threaten organizations ... to threaten the Conference of Presidents that if you don't withdraw the invitation to Gov. Palin we're going to look into your tax exempt status ... that's McCarthyism."

Another Jewish group tried to step into the breach by inviting Palin to a different protest a day earlier.

"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats," said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

374 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:09am

re: #368 lawhawk

So, for those following the Rangel mess, I've posted new updates. He paid tax, but only one portion of undeclared income. There's lots more of where that came from, and we're not even talking penalties and interest imposed by the IRS or NYS. Yet, Rangel would have you believe that it's the GOPs fault for the mess he's in.

Sorry Charlie. You are a tax cheat and crook.

Does Charlie have a large freezer in any of those apartments he's renting?

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:20am

re: #362 doriangrey

Whats with retired people staying in bed all danged day long anyway?

It is the natural order of things for the younger generations to wait hand and foot upon their elders, so quit whining. Two over easy. Bacon. English muffin and marmalade. The tray's under the cabinet across from the sink. And don't forget the linen napkin.

376 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:32am

re: #372 realwest

OK, OK, OK! No reason to get snippy you, you cake broiler you!

And an upding for you!

377 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:41:27am

re: #362 doriangrey

Whats with retired people staying in bed all danged day long anyway?

Yo! I'm retired, and I still get up at about the same time I used to!

378 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:42:43am

re: #364 doriangrey
Hmm, obviously you don't need to get to work as early as you usually do, though.
That or you are really LATE! LOL!

379 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:43:45am

Ah, the early morning idle chit-chat and banter has been so nice! Thank you all for a pleasant morning, but life is calling now.

I hope everyone has a great day!

380 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:44:03am

Good Morning Dorian..Grab a cup of sumatra before work..
Too bad you can't pry yourself away from paradise..It's my birthday sunday..huge party...
We need some live music..

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:44:10am

re: #379 reine.de.tout

Ah, the early morning idle chit-chat and banter has been so nice! Thank you all for a pleasant morning, but life is calling now.

I hope everyone has a great day!

Have a great one!

382 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:45:16am

re: #373 yah
Interesting report - oh and good morning to you! - I loved this part: "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
Geez, we're glad to have you, even if you are AT LEAST 30 YEARS LATE, ya dimwit!

383 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:45:46am

Mornin' Lizards!

Any hatchlings around? This lizard needs a cup of coffee, very hot (don't worry I don't sue) very black.

*drums fingers on the LGF Diner counter waiting*

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:45:56am

re: #380 HoosierHoops

If I don't see you tomorrow ... Happy Birthday!

385 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:04am

re: #349 jwb7605

Jorma played with the early Jefferson Airplane... (and -without looking at Google- Hot Tuna, I thimk) and is an excellent musician, JW

386 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:13am

re: #360 realwest

Love me my coffee. Hot or cold, fresh or Navy-style, it's my fuel. Of course, there were times in my callow youth when sleeping on the rug like the cats seemed like the right thing to do. But that's another story.

387 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:16am

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat YES! That's what I'm talking about! More more more! LOL!

388 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:38am

re: #326 Crux Australis

It depends on whether the "trouble" can be credibly pinned on the incumbent political party or President. (I use "credibly" to suggest opposition political attacks that are effective, not necessarily truthful.)

The U.S. electorate seems to blame a bad economy on the incumbent President, although the President's ability to affect the economy is limited. War-related troubles are somewhat different. FDR was re-elected repeatedly during both the Great Depression (successfully blamed on the Republicans), and the Second World War, which FDR provoked in some ways by cutting off shipments of scrap steel to the Japanese war machine, for example, and giving the British military help through "lend-lease". (In retrospect, FDR's New Deal economic recovery program was a failure, but we applaud him for taking on the Axis powers before and during WWII).

This year, Bush isn't up for re-election, so McCain can break from him to some extent. The Administration mismanaged the Iraq War for several years, but General Petraeus seems to have stabilized the situation and reduced the violence significantly. And of course, there are the current economic gyrations, due largely to the "chickens (bad home mortgage loans enabled by bad government policies and bad government agencies) coming home to roost".

It's quite clear that Democrats enacted policies forcing and encouraging more lending to poor people who couldn't repay the loans, and many Republicans went along with it. Wall Street created a major industry of bundling these loans, and reselling them at huge profits both domestically and overseas. So there's plenty of blame to go around.

At the moment, the crisis is serious enough that unity will be required to muddle through it. Too much finger pointing and partisan rancor likely could derail a rescue, and take down the global financial system, which is why the Administration is avoiding it.

389 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:39am

re: #383 jcm

Mornin' Lizards!

Any hatchlings around? This lizard needs a cup of coffee, very hot (don't worry I don't sue) very black.

*drums fingers on the LGF Diner counter waiting*

You can have this one. It's instant, but it just came out of the microwave.

390 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:09am

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It is the natural order of things for the younger generations to wait hand and foot upon their elders, so quit whining. Two over easy. Bacon. English muffin and marmalade. The tray's under the cabinet across from the sink. And don't forget the linen napkin.

You aint that much older than me, so get your own danged breakfast... ;p

391 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:29am

re: #379 reine.de.tout
So long reine! Have a great day and don't forget you've got a new stove and start to broil cakes again! LOL!
Unless it's an acquired taste, I mean!

392 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:40am

re: #358 Crux Australis

I think Australia is a portent of what's to come if Obama wins the election in November.

The Labor Party in Australia is a "do nothing" party the same as the US House and Senate Democrats. Australia is slowly but surely headed for a huge fail. It's only China buying up Australia's natural resources that's keeping our head above water.

So true, and I've despaired since last November's election

However there is hope... lefty lawyer Mr Aussiemagpie who is a rusted on Labor man agrees Rudd is a Dudd


Prime Minister Rudd - Mr Symbolism Mk1
Senator Obama - Mr Symbolism Mk11

393 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:43am

re: #378 realwest

Hmm, obviously you don't need to get to work as early as you usually do, though.
That or you are really LATE! LOL!

Nope, dont have to be there till 8am...

394 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:48:43am

re: #387 realwest

YES! That's what I'm talking about! More more more! LOL!

However, you will notice that Dorian's being very VERY silent.

/kids nowadays! SHEESH!

395 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:49:02am

re: #383 jcm
Uh, good morning jcm - don't know how to tell ya this, but you're gonna have to either make your own coffee or go to dunkin' donuts for some coffee, no hatchlings that I spied this morning!

396 Luigi  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:49:22am

Precision in journalism...

[Link: news.google.com...]

Government asks Congress for $700B for bailout
KPSP, CA - 5 minutes ago
It also would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion - making room for the massive rescue. ...
Washington rushes to negotiate financial rescue

Daily Mail - Charleston, WV - 6 minutes ago
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS AP Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- A half-trillion dollar bailout that the Bush administration and Congress are negotiating this weekend ...

Rescue plan starts at $700 billion
Politico, DC - 11 minutes ago
With earlier takeovers and bailouts, the mortgage crisis now puts US taxpayers on the hook for well more than $1 trillion. The proposal, which Congress ...

Paulson's Bail-Out: No New Jobs
24/7 Wall St., NY - 15 minutes ago
It comes with a $1 trillion checking account which the government will use to buy bad assets from banks. It is not clear which firms will make it onto the ...

There Are No Conservatives in Foxholes
Kansas City Star, MO - 18 minutes ago
Of course, all the help is going to bail out big business. When it's all counted, the taxpayer may pay a trillion dollars or more. ...

Bush offers $500 billion bailout
Minneapolis Star Tribune, MN - 19 minutes ago
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the upfront cost of the proposal could easily be $500 billion and experts predicted that it could reach $1 trillion. ...

Dow Surges 368 Points Amid 2-Day Rally Fueled By Government Rescue ...
CBS News, NY - 20 minutes ago
Though no hard and fast figure for the bailout has been mentioned, CBS News correspondent Anthony Mason notes that some are saying half a trillion dollars ...

Stock Markets Soar on Financial System Bailout
AOL Canada, Canada - 27 minutes ago
The ranking Republican on the committee, Senator Richard Shelby, said the new bailout plan could cost at least half a trillion dollars. ...

Conrad Black: Lessons to learn from Wall Street's week of no return
National Post, Canada - 33 minutes ago
The US GDP of $13-trillion is about half composed of worthless and non-productive effort, which yet engages the efforts of a large number of very skilled ...

Credit Crunch Videos
Sky News, UK - 37 minutes ago
Analysts say the US government's rescue package for its financial sector could cost as much as one trillion dollars. The funds are likely to come from the ...

Hundred billion here, hundred billion there, and pretty soon we're talking about real money.

397 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:50:15am

re: #371 realwest

Hey, if the Democrats are going to cover for Rangel, the least the GOP can do is give the Democrats a proper sendoff - by highlighting Rangel at every turn.

After all, Rangel thinks this is all a GOP plot to get him and the Democrats.

Why not let the GOP flex its muscle and push this matter to the November election - showing just how unserious the Democrats are about taxes and ethics.

398 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:50:21am

re: #380 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian..Grab a cup of sumatra before work..
Too bad you can't pry yourself away from paradise..It's my birthday sunday..huge party...
We need some live music..

Sumatra... Mmmm... and for the live music, may I suggest my very own "Live and Fully Baked"... Heh heh heh... you did ask for live music... ;p

399 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:50:52am

re: #389 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can have this one. It's instant, but it just came out of the microwave.

*glare*

Saltwater coffee sounds better!

;-P

400 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:08am
re: #390 doriangrey

You aint that much older than me, so get your own danged breakfast... ;p

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

However, you will notice that Dorian's being very VERY silent.

/kids nowadays! SHEESH!

Oops, the kid showed up.

401 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:19am

re: #390 doriangrey
Well hell I'm THAT MUCH older than you, so you can, ah, er,
nevermind.

402 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

However, you will notice that Dorian's being very VERY silent.

/kids nowadays! SHEESH!

cough #390 cough...

403 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:45am

Good Morning all. Looks like Summers last gasp this weekend.
A poster on a thread yesterday theorized that Obama is a sleeper.
A willing , trained sleeper placed here to achieve the highest office that he can achieve.
I am not really in to conspiracy theories , bit the guy did not sound paranoid
It is disturbing that accounts of his college Palestinian roommate & associations have fallen down the memory hole along with his trip to Pakistan. He will not discuss it & the roommate is unavailable.
Proves nothing, but very odd.

404 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:52:11am

re: #359 doriangrey

Cough cough... But have you clicked my nic?

Just did ... seriously bad connection speed, though, I get the "skipping record" effect.
No offense, but I'm into Bluegrass (and derivatives) with acoustic guitars.

405 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:52:32am

re: #401 realwest

Well hell I'm THAT MUCH older than you, so you can, ah, er,
nevermind.

Define that much counselor... I'm 47, your what 55?

406 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:52:52am

re: #396 Luigi

The fact is that no one knows just how much it will cost because bad debt is being created every day, and the companies don't know how much their own losses are, so how can the feds possibly know.

The markets jumped for joy when the feds bailed them out precisely because they don't have to cover their own losses any more. Someone else gets to handle the risk of loss from stupid business decisions and government interference (pushing for lenders to lend money to those who could not repay and destabilizing the market by increasing the number of buyers - pushing home prices up at a time when the markets were going into a bubble).

407 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:53:15am

re: #382 realwest

Interesting report - oh and good morning to you! - I loved this part: "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
Geez, we're glad to have you, even if you are AT LEAST 30 YEARS LATE, ya dimwit!

Good Morning Real, you wordsmith you.

408 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:53:31am

re: #404 jwb7605

Just did ... seriously bad connection speed, though, I get the "skipping record" effect.
No offense, but I'm into Bluegrass (and derivatives) with acoustic guitars.

ROTFLMAO...None taken...

409 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:53:32am

re: #399 jcm

*glare*

Saltwater coffee sounds better!

;-P

Gee, you're a real die-hard, aren't you.

Jorline, you around? I need a bottle of Gulf water sent up FedEx.

410 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:54:00am

re: #397 lawhawk
Well I certainly agree with you but let's face it, NYS Republican's couldn't muscle a 10 year old out of his lunch money!
But nationally, we all ought to get all over the Leftists about this - Hope and Change my ass!

411 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:54:40am

re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If I don't see you tomorrow ... Happy Birthday!

thank you...
you know one time i told a story here about how me and a couple buddies run up to canada and sneak back a box of cubian cigars..
It's a funny story..my one friend was laughing realizing he was smoking a cubian while we were line at the border...it was, i think, a funny story..
anyhoo a lizard came on line and really flamed me ..just the worst kind of person to sneak in some cigars..
Well my fellow lizards..we are smoking those cigars sunday..
I can't wait...
:)

412 Joan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:54:47am

Internet is truly amazing. As I finally move towards facing the day, my random brain sproings: "What the hell kind of duck is Daffy supposed to be, anyway?"

Here ya' go, lizards:

American Black Duck: [Link: www.birds.cornell.edu...] If Daffy could be classified as any specific type of duck at all, I'd probably go with that.

thanks to "goldenageofcartoons" blogspot

413 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:55:33am

re: #374 reine.de.tout

Good question, and Cold Cash Jefferson is still in Congress despite the indications that he may have taken bribes. In that case, both Democrats and Republicans covered for him. Big mistake for the GOP - who lost the house in 2006 in part because they failed to deal with the Foley mess properly and still wont drum out those who engaged in fraud and other misdeeds.

414 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:55:41am

re: #402 doriangrey

cough #390 cough...

LOL
We're cross-posting (or cross-p*ssing), aren't we.

Good morning! How's the weather in the city of my birth?

415 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:56:27am

re: #385 Karridine

Jorma played with the early Jefferson Airplane... (and -without looking at Google- Hot Tuna, I thimk) and is an excellent musician, JW

I just stumbled across him one day in Borders. The "Stars in My Crown" album was on sale for nine bucks.

Who would guess his "alter egos" ... Hot Tuna and Jefferson Airplane from that Album?

416 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:56:52am

re: #398 doriangrey
HEY! Is that really you playing guitar on that?! If so, MOTD is outta his or her mind!

417 Luigi  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:56:54am

lawhawk -- My understanding is that corrupt Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae practices caused the unraveling. They were the shifting sands on which the financial 'wealth' was built. And that leads to the usual suspects: Obama, Dodd, Jamie Gorelick...

418 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:57:55am

re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, you're a real die-hard, aren't you.

Jorline, you around? I need a bottle of Gulf water sent up FedEx.

I love to torment the Starbucks staff when I get a cup there.

"Coffee, large, black."

419 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:58:37am

re: #414 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL
We're cross-posting (or cross-p*ssing), aren't we.

Good morning! How's the weather in the city of my birth?

Just a couple points shy of perfect (to damned many democrats/socialist/communist/Marxists running the city for it to actually be perfect)... In other words, just another beautiful day in paradise... lol...lol...lol...

420 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:58:37am

re: #418 jcm

I love to torment the Starbucks staff when I get a cup there.

"Coffee, large, black."

LOL!
Way to go!

422 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:59:51am

re: #405 doriangrey
47? FORTY-SEVEN - Get me my brekkie you young punk!
I are 63 (though I feel about 90 these days!) so get crackin' with that breakfast, NOW!

;')

423 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:59:55am

Obama's connections to ACORN

(h/t insta & confed/Yankee)

424 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:14am

re: #412 Joan

Internet is truly amazing. As I finally move towards facing the day, my random brain sproings: "What the hell kind of duck is Daffy supposed to be, anyway?"

Here ya' go, lizards:

American Black Duck: [Link: www.birds.cornell.edu...] If Daffy could be classified as any specific type of duck at all, I'd probably go with that.

thanks to "goldenageofcartoons" blogspot

Do the answer the eternal question...
What is... Goofy?

425 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:18am

re: #397 lawhawk

Unfortunately, Charlie Rangel is in a safe seat up in Harlem. Those voters tolerate Charlie's pandering to Chavez for "free" heating oil, together with Charlie's pernicious alliances with the Nation of Islam. (Remember the 1972 Nation of Islam murder of Police Officer Philip Cardillo in Harlem? Rangel allied himself with Farrakhan to help protect the murderers.) They tolerated Congressman Adam Clayton Powell's cavorting on Bimini with his bimbos. They'll certainly tolerate this.

Charl;ie's running scared nonetheless. He's withdrawn his divorce petition. That means his wife can't testify against him in the tax fraud case!

426 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:43am
re: #399 jcm

*glare*

Saltwater coffee sounds better!

;-P


re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, you're a real die-hard, aren't you.

Jorline, you around? I need a bottle of Gulf water sent up FedEx.


Somebody knows how to properly make coffee?
Dash of sea water to the pot brings out the real flavor. JUST a dash (a tablespoon in a 4 gallon coffee brewer), and it has to be real sea water.

427 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:48am

re: #419 doriangrey

Just a couple points shy of perfect (to damned many democrats/socialist/communist/Marxists running the city for it to actually be perfect)... In other words, just another beautiful day in paradise... lol...lol...lol...

BTW, at one time, they took Star of India out for a sail each year. Is that still true?

428 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:01:53am

re: #416 realwest

HEY! Is that really you playing guitar on that?! If so, MOTD is outta his or her mind!

ROTFLMAO... Yes that's really me. MOTD was a flaming faerie troll from The Jawa Report who posted that because it was the only way he could strike back at me after I ripped one of his insipidly stupid comments to shreds.

429 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:02:05am

re: #403 opnion
Good morning opnion my friend! Uh, he's not a sleeper; a true sleeper would be a rah-rah all american type; this one's upfront about his disdain for Amercia.
Hey Barry - please tell us, WHEN was a better time in history for the US, hmmm?!

430 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:02:17am
431 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:03:16am

Hey Dorian.. I was in paradise in may..there was a really nasty mayor race on TV.. real mud slinging.. the mayor told someone to get f*cked..
Who won that race for mayor?

432 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:03:17am

re: #421 FrogMarch

Evidence ACORN is desperately trying to cheat to get Obama into the oval office.

Only 80 suspect registrations, that ACORN chapter is going to losing it's charter.

ACORN has submitted about 75,000 voter registration cards to the Cuyahoga board this year.

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.
433 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:03:49am

Obama votes "Present" on the economy.

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Sen. Barack Obama today met with some of his many economic advisors and made an announcement that he was not going to make an announcement about any new plan to plan plans.

434 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:04:38am

re: #371 realwest

Hey good morning lawhawk - boy, I have to say I admire the way you've stayed on Rangel's case over all this - that S.O.B. ought to AT LEAST have his comittee chairmanship yanked by Pelosi but after all, this is a Democratic Lefty we're talking about, so short of an axe-murder with CCTV and 11 witnessess, the party will not hurt him.

Meanwhile, Trent Lott was demoted for possibly thinking something the Black Caucus thought he might be thinking.

435 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:00am

re: #433 FrogMarch

Obama votes "Present" on the economy.

Would've been nice if congress did that before they got us into this mess...

436 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:19am

re: #427 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, at one time, they took Star of India out for a sail each year. Is that still true?

Yup, they still do that. Maritime Historical society or something like that. Last year it coincided with the annual Tall Ship festival. The Star led all the Tall Ships into the harbor, it was quite an amazing sight.

437 reloadingisnotahobby  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:21am

Yo! Hossier,
Happy blrthday!
Tomm...
Only in Utah will ya here this...
Your how old?
Hell,I got PIGS older thun that!
LOL
Have a great day!

438 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:38am

re: #382 realwest


Geez, we're glad to have you, even if you are AT LEAST 30 YEARS LATE, ya dimwit!

When I first read that I thought you were talking about me and thought I best not make any more posts. I try to keep up with lgf but you lizards are so fast that what is news to me is "old" to you sometimes. The hazards of a full time job. But I have never been 30 years late.

I get it now.

439 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #417 Luigi

lawhawk -- My understanding is that corrupt Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae practices caused the unraveling. They were the shifting sands on which the financial 'wealth' was built. And that leads to the usual suspects: Obama, Dodd, Jamie Gorelick...

Mark Levin asked yesterday: Why isn't Dodd in charge of the soap at some prison?

440 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:06:23am

re: #432 jcm

ACORN might be the fraud needed to help Barry win this thing.
We all know it's perfectly fine for democrats to cheat. They are above the law.

441 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:06:28am

re: #405 doriangrey

Define that much counselor... I'm 47, your what 55?

Whippersnapper! Chronologically, I'm old enough to be your father.

/ARRRGH ... where's my BREAKFAST?!?!

442 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:07:20am
443 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:07:54am

re: #425 quickjustice

Charl;ie's running scared nonetheless. He's withdrawn his divorce petition. That means his wife can't testify against him in the tax fraud case!

Then she's an ass.

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:08:00am

Pretty cool lookin' new buttons there.

Howdy everybody...hitting and running here.

445 mich-again  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:08:22am

re: #418 jcm

"Coffee, large, black."

Thats how I take my coffee.

446 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:08:53am

re: #417 Luigi
Uh, hope you don't mind me butting in here, but see the Community Redevelopment Act, passed by a Dem congress and signed into law by Jimmy Carter and "revitalized" by a Dem congress and Bill Clinton, making it easier for poor credit risks to sue lenders who refused to give them mortgage loans on the outrageous belief that they couldn't pay the mortgage loans back - result of Carter/Clinton was that lenders made those crappy loans rather than deal with a ton of lawsuits and then peddled those mortgages to Fannie or Freddie as fast as they could!
It is that, couple with greed (and in this case "greed" could easily be spelled Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merill Lynch) of investment bankers to bundle up pools of those terrible credit risk mortgage loans, issue bonds at lower rates than would otherwise be the case, because re-payment of the bonds was "guaranteed" by those pools of mortgages. And wherever possible, AIG got suckered into insuring those bondholders as well.

447 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:08:55am

re: #431 HoosierHoops

Hey Dorian.. I was in paradise in may..there was a really nasty mayor race on TV.. real mud slinging.. the mayor told someone to get f*cked..
Who won that race for mayor?

An absolute piece of SHIT... Former police Chief Jerry Sanders, who won on his campaign promise not to allow gay marriage, who promptly turned 180 degrees and pushed a court case through that legalized gay marriages.

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:08:58am

Singing for a wedding today. Last night at rehearsal, the wedding party walked in, I swear they looked like 12 year olds.

Sheesh!

449 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:09:31am

re: #433 FrogMarch

Perhaps he'll take a page from his Iraq book and try to make back room deals to prevent any action until after the election. Wait...actually, he's probably already done that.

450 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:09:51am

re: #417 Luigi

That was only part of the problem. A big part, but it's one that included other lenders - if it was contained to Fraudie Mac and Scammie Mae, the bailouts of those two entities should have fixed the problem. The problem grew well beyond those two because of secondary paper written.

451 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:10:04am

re: #441 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whippersnapper! Chronologically, I'm old enough to be your father.

/ARRRGH ... where's my BREAKFAST?!?!

Frickin frackin old geezers...

452 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:10:16am

re: #426 jwb7605

Somebody knows how to properly make coffee?
Dash of sea water to the pot brings out the real flavor. JUST a dash (a tablespoon in a 4 gallon coffee brewer), and it has to be real sea water.

ROFLMAO. I told jcm about one of the E-3s in the air wing nav/radio shop making a pot of seawater coffee, as a practical joke on the E-6 who did our paperwork. (BTW, we'd fill the percolator in what was undoubtedly your squadron's head.)

/no, from the FAUCET!

453 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:10:47am

re: #429 realwest

Good morning opnion my friend! Uh, he's not a sleeper; a true sleeper would be a rah-rah all american type; this one's upfront about his disdain for Amercia.
Hey Barry - please tell us, WHEN was a better time in history for the US, hmmm?!


I agree, he is not a sleeper. Having said that, I would like to know more about young Barack Hussein's trip to Pakistan. It seems like the subject is forbidden & one should not even mention it.
I would like to know, what went on & why it is so secret.

454 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:11:00am

re: #439 ciaospirit

It's a good question, and Levin has been hammering the whole meltdown issue hard - lots of Democrats have their hand in that mess, but the GOP did little to stop it.

455 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:11:14am

re: #417 Luigi

Fannie and Freddie originated a huge amount of the bad paper. That paper was the crappy "product" that Wall Street bundled and resold. Many of the banks and insurance companies believed their own propaganda (or that of the "rating" agencies), and took huge positions in this crap. Suddenly they were up to their eyeballs in it, and begging for a government bailout.

They should have been permitted to fail to flush the crap down the toilet, and permit the financial system to recover. Bailout only prolongs the misery. But the Administration is afraid that there was is much crap that the toilet would back up, and take down the entire banking system. Maybe they're right. Or maybe not.

456 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:11:37am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Singing for a wedding today. Last night at rehearsal, the wedding party walked in, I swear they looked like 12 year olds.

Sheesh!

So...mmm.. singing in Kentucky?
/man am i in trouble...

457 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:11:49am

re: #434 ciaospirit
Yep. Good morning to you!

458 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:12:23am

re: #440 FrogMarch

ACORN might be the fraud needed to help Barry win this thing.
We all know it's perfectly fine for democrats to cheat. They are above the law.

There big in a number of critical states. After the '04 debacle in WA the Sec. State just purged 1 in 7 voter registration as being invalid.

1 out of every 7!

459 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:13:05am

re: #436 doriangrey

Yup, they still do that. Maritime Historical society or something like that. Last year it coincided with the annual Tall Ship festival. The Star led all the Tall Ships into the harbor, it was quite an amazing sight.

Then it's still true. She's the oldest ship which still sails regularly. (Constitution doesn't quite make the qualifications.)

460 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:13:06am

Geebus, this is a SATURDAY folks - how come so many folks are already on board that I'm my usual, weekday 40 posts or so behind?!
Don't y'all have someplace to go and something to do?!
And no, no I don't. Thankew very much.

461 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:13:29am
re: #405 doriangrey
Define that much counselor... I'm 47, your what 55?


re: #441 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whippersnapper! Chronologically, I'm old enough to be your father.

/ARRRGH ... where's my BREAKFAST?!?!


fifty-five. hehehehehehehehehe...gasp!
Dorian: read the nic just a bit more closely. Especially the "pre-" part.

462 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:13:31am

re: #432 jcm


Only 80 suspect registrations, that ACORN chapter is going to losing it's charter.

ACORN has submitted about 75,000 voter registration cards to the Cuyahoga board this year.

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.

What sounds so creepy is that Acorn might get away with it.

463 lori lane  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:13:32am

re: #380 HoosierHoops

Hey, {HH} --- happy birthday! :) Have a fantastic partay!

464 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:14:03am

re: #443 ciaospirit

She's as happy as a clam. Think of the leverage she has over him now! ;-) And he doesn't get to cavort with bimbos like Powell! ;-)

465 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:14:53am

re: #438 yah
GACK! NO I wasn't calling you a dimwit, just the guy who finally was gonna vote Republican.
Sorry if I didn't make that clear!

466 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:14:59am

re: #459 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then it's still true. She's the oldest ship which still sails regularly. (Constitution doesn't quite make the qualifications.)

Yup, it is one of the things that San Diego seems bound and determined to hold on to the record for, since neither our baseball or football teams can win a title to save their lives... /pout pout...

467 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:15:05am

re: #451 doriangrey

Frickin frackin old geezers... ...

I'd whack you if I had the strength to get outta bed.

*snore*

468 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:15:12am

re: #458 jcm

There big in a number of critical states. After the '04 debacle in WA the Sec. State just purged 1 in 7 voter registration as being invalid.

1 out of every 7!

Incredible. Maybe WA isn't a blue state after all.

Well - communists and dictators cheat to win - or use thuggery to win. And Obama is a communist.

469 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:15:21am

Lackawanna Six involved in Yemen bombing?

shocked

470 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:15:52am

re: #441 pre-Boomer Marine brat HEY! Get in line - I said that first! LOL!

471 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:16:24am

re: #446 realwest

That legislation is responsible for about 10% of the problem. That isn't negligible, but it also isn't most of it.

472 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:16:55am

re: #465 realwest
You were clear - I am just read it the wrong way at first.

473 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:17:15am

re: #467 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd whack you if I had the strength to get outta bed.

*snore*


re: #470 realwest

HEY! Get in line - I said that first! LOL!

Oh my... will you look at the time... Seems I have to run off to work... ;P

474 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:17:38am

re: #463 lori lane

Thanks lori! {lori}
being the typical white trash that i am..We are going to Wal-Mart in a few hours to buy the food and booze..
I feel so ashamed..:)

475 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:18:19am

re: #462 FrogMarch

What sounds so creepy is that Acorn might get away with it.

In WA we go back to Gorton / Cantwell '00. Cantwell won by 2000 votes in the last minute counting in King Co.

Ohio was very close in '04.
Then FL in in '00.

I wonder if we really start digging into those close races in critical states over the last decade what we might find.

I think ACORN was been spinning up for this for a awhile, getting ready for their candidate. WA '04 was a test run for this year IMHO.

476 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:18:28am

Fannie Mae won't do any more LOBBYING! So says it's newly appointed, house-cleaning director, Herbert Allison. (per today's WashPost)

Allison's kicking butt & taking names, and already firing people. Woo Hoo, he's a McCain ally!

477 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:18:28am

re: #443 ciaospirit
Well, even though I've been divorced twice and should probably know the answer to this,

re: #425 quickjustice

Charl;ie's running scared nonetheless. He's withdrawn his divorce petition. That means his wife can't testify against him in the tax fraud case!

Then she's an ass.

I think the rule is a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against a spouse; doesn't mean that they can't do it voluntarily! And after Rangel blamed his wife for screwing up their taxes, she ought to testify against him!

478 mich-again  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:18:40am

I look for our lawmakers to come up with some kind of crazy plan to offer green cards to foreigners who will pay cash for a foreclosed home in the US.

479 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:19:07am

re: #474 HoosierHoops

Thanks lori! {lori}
being the typical white trash that i am..We are going to Wal-Mart in a few hours to buy the food and booze..
I feel so ashamed..:)

Happy B-day hoops... Hell, I suppose even you are older than me now... ;P

480 formercorpsman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:20:02am

re: #421 FrogMarch

You know, I have lightly read different articles about this stuff.

I just finished reading up on the origins of ACORN. After all is said and done, and for as much as I have desperately tried to not paint with a broad brush, the DNC knowingly, or unknowingly have succeeded in electing an out and out communist as our potential leader.

I hate conspiracy, but damn. How the hell do you rationalize everything that seems to be unsavory?

It blows my mind.

481 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:21:08am

re: #452 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO. I told jcm about one of the E-3s in the air wing nav/radio shop making a pot of seawater coffee, as a practical joke on the E-6 who did our paperwork. (BTW, we'd fill the percolator in what was undoubtedly your squadron's head.)

/no, from the FAUCET!

A whole potful of seawater ... nope.
A small spoon of seawater in the 4-gallon brewer ... yes.
The "outgoing E-5" taught me that as the "incoming E-3" in our line shack (brown jerseys).

Try an eyedropper-drop of sea water in a 12-cup pot sometime, if you can get real seawater wherever you are. If you can't get seawater, don't bother.

482 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:21:08am

re: #450 lawhawk
That's sorta what I was saying in my #446!

483 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:21:19am

re: #479 doriangrey

Happy B-day hoops... Hell, I suppose even you are older than me now... ;P

Let's see..5 kids..the youngest is 16..you do the math..
Before you run off to work...
Superbowl champions..the Indianapolis Colts..
Have a nice day

484 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:21:27am

re: #477 realwest

I repeat: she's as happy as a clam. It's the leverage she now has over him.

485 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:21:38am

CAIR has its panties in a bunch over the mass distribution of

Obsession

.

Altaf Ali was shocked when he opened his Sunday paper and found a copy of the DVD. He is the director of the Florida Chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations. "That's not what a newspaper is about," Ali said, "A newspaper should never be about promoting propaganda."

And Muslims in Ohio are attacking the Dispatch. Lizards might want to send an email of support to the Dispatch encouraging them not to be intimidated by these groups.

Even before the newspapers began hitting the porches of Central Ohio homes, Islamic extremists upset with the DVD distribution began a campaign to attack the Columbus Dispatch for allowing the distribution campaign. Hany Saqr, chairman of the Noor Islamic Cultural Center in Hilliard, sent the following email to supporters demanding that they contact the Dispatch to express their disapproval.

The Sunday Columbus Dispatch released in the advertisements a DVD titled “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War against the West”

This DVD is a mere campaign of spreading hate against the Muslim community

[Link: www.truthout.org...]

Please contact Columbus Dispatch and ask about the reason behind this anti-Muslim campagin and who is sponsoring it

Head Retail Advertising — Nick Lazaroff — nlazaroff@dispatch.com
Advertising — adaugherty@dispatch.com, ckerr@dispatch.com, sthomas@dispatch.com
VP of Marketing — Philip Pikelny - ppikelny@dispatch.com

News Editor — Ben Marrison — bmarrison@dispatch.com
Religion Editor — klecker@dispatch.com, mheagney@dispatch.com

486 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:22:09am

re: #466 doriangrey

Yup, it is one of the things that San Diego seems bound and determined to hold on to the record for, since neither our baseball or football teams can win a title to save their lives... /pout pout...

Very seriously, ships like Star of India are a PLANETARY treasure.

They're very fragile. Witness the arson to the Cutty Sark. Too few people understand enough to give a damn about them. Scotland has the hulk of City of Adelaide, which is older than Cutty Sark. Those are the only two surviving clippers on the face of the planet, and the UK is all too close to losing CofA.

/rant off

487 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:22:13am

re: #451 doriangrey
Old geezers? Why you young punk - step out back and say that to pre-Boomer Marine brat's face!

488 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:22:13am

re: #480 formercorpsman

How to rationalize such unsavory, communist, marxist anti-Americanism in ONE party and ONE candidate?

The reality of Today in America, Former...
That unsavory crap is HAPPENING, today!

489 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:22:47am

re: #454 lawhawk

It's a good question, and Levin has been hammering the whole meltdown issue hard - lots of Democrats have their hand in that mess, but the GOP did little to stop it.

The GOP tried in 2003 and 2005, but they backed down too easily.

490 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:22:57am

This is for what it's worth. Geraldine Ferraro was on H&C last night.
They were talking about Michelle Obama saying not to "Vote for that guy, cause I like him & she's cute" She then said thet cute referred to herslef, you know, not Palin.
Ferraro then comments that she believes her & 'Michelle is not cute, she's gorgeous"
Is it just me?

491 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:23:15am

re: #473 doriangrey

Oh my... will you look at the time... Seems I have to run off to work... ;P

Have a great day!

492 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:23:37am

re: #478 mich-again

I look for our lawmakers to come up with some kind of crazy plan to offer green cards to foreigners who will pay cash for a foreclosed home in the US.

* * *
Hey! Those foreigners BUILT those foreclosed homes. They've got sweat-equity, which is more than I can say for many people who got homes through NO money down, liars' loans and other phony deals.

You know poor people in most countries pay cash--what little they have--they don't get easy credit the way most Americans get easy credit.

I'm not defending illegals, but they aren't blessed like most of us with our US citizenship.

493 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:24:33am

Well I am off to my once a month trip to Walmart. I wonder if it will be a carnival or a war zone today. Probably will depend on my attitude, so I'll put on a happy face.

494 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:25:09am

re: #467 pre-Boomer Marine brat HEY! WAKE UP - you're supposed to meet dorian around back in a few minutes!
Hurry up for cryin' out loud!
Geez, frickin' frackin' old geezers!

495 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:25:19am

re: #493 yah


"All Wal-Mart shoppers are asked to please leave their faces at the door."
496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:25:46am

re: #456 HoosierHoops

So...mmm.. singing in Kentucky?
/man am i in trouble...

Dude! They're in their 20's!

I knew the groom before he was born.

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:26:39am

re: #481 jwb7605

A whole potful of seawater ... nope.
A small spoon of seawater in the 4-gallon brewer ... yes.
The "outgoing E-5" taught me that as the "incoming E-3" in our line shack (brown jerseys).

Try an eyedropper-drop of sea water in a 12-cup pot sometime, if you can get real seawater wherever you are. If you can't get seawater, don't bother.

This one (circa early '66) was a WHOLE POT. The fellow whom the joke was aimed at was always the first one to get a cup. He sat right beside the percolator. He took a drink ... and spat saltwater coffee all over the printouts and punch cards on his bench-top "desk".

498 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:26:45am

re: #446 realwest

Uh, hope you don't mind me butting in here, but see the Community Redevelopment Act, passed by a Dem congress and signed into law by Jimmy Carter and "revitalized" by a Dem congress and Bill Clinton, making it easier for poor credit risks to sue lenders who refused to give them mortgage loans on the outrageous belief that they couldn't pay the mortgage loans back - result of Carter/Clinton was that lenders made those crappy loans rather than deal with a ton of lawsuits and then peddled those mortgages to Fannie or Freddie as fast as they could!
It is that, couple with greed (and in this case "greed" could easily be spelled Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Merill Lynch) of investment bankers to bundle up pools of those terrible credit risk mortgage loans, issue bonds at lower rates than would otherwise be the case, because re-payment of the bonds was "guaranteed" by those pools of mortgages. And wherever possible, AIG got suckered into insuring those bondholders as well.

That is 100% accurate.

Stage two of the Big Fix as I call it (stage 1 being the bail outs) is to change the regulations sop banks can turn down bad credit applications and not get sued into oblivion over it.

By the way, I hear the latest entity to apply for a Federal bailout due experiencing a catastrophic melt down are the Milwaukee Brewers.

They've gone something like 4 and 14 this month.

Good morning real.

499 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:26:51am

Good Morning

500 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:28:00am

re: #471 quickjustice
Uh, ok, why do you say that? 10% my butt - that legislation caused what we call a "chilling effect" among lenders and caused the FDIC to change it's rules about lenders making first mortgage purchase money mortgages AND second mortgage home equity loans, thus allowing for 100% financing of the purchase of a new home to people with crappy credit standings.
And I do know what I'm talking about; I was representing the FDIC when it all went down.

501 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:28:10am

re: #492 alegrias

* * *
Hey! Those foreigners BUILT those foreclosed homes. They've got sweat-equity, which is more than I can say for many people who got homes through NO money down, liars' loans and other phony deals.

You know poor people in most countries pay cash--what little they have--they don't get easy credit the way most Americans get easy credit.

I'm not defending illegals, but they aren't blessed like most of us with our US citizenship.

Way back when, I used to "moonlight" on the weekends helping my brother-in-law roof and sheetrock (also did a bit of wiring).
That luxury is no longer available to 20-something's nowdays. The wages aren't much better than unemployment, and the work can get brutal.

I have mixed emotions on the subject.

502 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:28:12am

re: #487 realwest

Old geezers? Why you young punk - step out back and say that to pre-Boomer Marine brat's face!

Hey, that's showing REAL courage!

503 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:28:30am

re: #498 3 wood

That is 100% accurate.

Stage two of the Big Fix as I call it (stage 1 being the bail outs) is to change the regulations sop banks can turn down bad credit applications and not get sued into oblivion over it.

By the way, I hear the latest entity to apply for a Federal bailout due experiencing a catastrophic melt down are the Milwaukee Brewers.

They've gone something like 4 and 14 this month.

Good morning real.

Can the Kansas City Royals apply? They've been melting down all year.

504 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:28:49am

re: #498 3 wood

That is 100% accurate.

Stage two of the Big Fix as I call it (stage 1 being the bail outs) is to change the regulations sop banks can turn down bad credit applications and not get sued into oblivion over it.

By the way, I hear the latest entity to apply for a Federal bailout due experiencing a catastrophic melt down are the Milwaukee Brewers.

They've gone something like 4 and 14 this month.

Good morning real.

The Mariners will need it for sure, 4 more losses and they'll be first team with $100 million payroll to lose 100 games!

505 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:29:11am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude! They're in their 20's!

I knew the groom before he was born.

In their 20s in Kentucky? Is that too old for marriage there or was that Arkansas?
/ducks and runs

506 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:29:16am

re: #495 Karridine

"All Wal-Mart shoppers are asked to please leave their faces at the door."

That actually sounds like a good idea.

507 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:29:28am

re: #474 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - again, early Happy Birthday to you - and don't be embarrassed, booze from WalMart tastes just as good as booze from anyplace else - it's just less expensive! LOL!

508 formercorpsman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:29:32am

re: #469 akak

Linkage?

509 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:29:40am

re: #480 formercorpsman

You know, I have lightly read different articles about this stuff.

I just finished reading up on the origins of ACORN. After all is said and done, and for as much as I have desperately tried to not paint with a broad brush, the DNC knowingly, or unknowingly have succeeded in electing an out and out communist as our potential leader.

I hate conspiracy, but damn. How the hell do you rationalize everything that seems to be unsavory?

It blows my mind.

* * *
Collectivism and socialism and even Stalin's communism are not "unsavory" to democrats!

Obama is their dream vehicle and dream Trojan Horse (Trojan Donkey?)
to implement liberals' wet dreams.

Whereas, McCain & Palin are the real revolutionaries, trying to give individuals back their American dream of independence from the BORG that wants to weaken us & make us submit to lower world standards across the board.

510 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #504 jcm

BTW, jwb7605 was on the same carrier (in a different squadron) just a few years after me.

511 formercorpsman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:32:28am

re: #488 Karridine

I know.

I take Prevacid.

512 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:32:44am

Barack's Interference With The SOFA Negotiation - The Fog Thickens

ABC news covering for Obama.

this year the Republicans have to fight a biased media, Acorn cheaters and frauds, and the candidate.

513 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:34:33am

re: #475 jcm

In WA we go back to Gorton / Cantwell '00. Cantwell won by 2000 votes in the last minute counting in King Co.

Ohio was very close in '04.
Then FL in in '00.

I wonder if we really start digging into those close races in critical states over the last decade what we might find.

I think ACORN was been spinning up for this for a awhile, getting ready for their candidate. WA '04 was a test run for this year IMHO.

"Test run".

The department of justice needs to shut Acorn down.

514 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:34:40am

re: #497 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This one (circa early '66) was a WHOLE POT. The fellow whom the joke was aimed at was always the first one to get a cup. He sat right beside the percolator. He took a drink ... and spat saltwater coffee all over the printouts and punch cards on his bench-top "desk".

On our ship, there were two spigots dispensing water.
One spigot ... bad plan ... salt water (fire control). Other spigot was fresh water (we had steam catapaults).
The guy that "trained me" said "always use this one to fill the pot, and add this measure from the other faucet, and use this measure of coffee grounds".

The recipe was "handed down" over several years of cruises, and I never did know what the actual volumes were.

515 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:35:18am

re: #492 alegrias

* * *
Hey! Those foreigners BUILT those foreclosed homes. They've got sweat-equity, which is more than I can say for many people who got homes through NO money down, liars' loans and other phony deals.

You know poor people in most countries pay cash--what little they have--they don't get easy credit the way most Americans get easy credit.

I'm not defending illegals, but they aren't blessed like most of us with our US citizenship.


Interesting way to look at it. It is know secret that a lot of the sub-primr mortages went to people who speak poor English , many illegal.
So yeah, they got easy credit. The problem is among other things ,that it was predatory lending.
I am sure that you do not mean it this way, but "sweat equity" is a Marixst concept. If you take a wage to work on something you do not
necessarily establish equity. If that is true I own a lot of homes , that I insulated back in the day.

516 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:35:58am

re: #498 3 wood
Hey good morning my friend! Thankew for your support! LOL!
How are ya doing today? (and btw, didja check your e-mail?)? How's the shoulder from our golf game yesterday (where, iirc, I played like a Tiger Woods on steroids! Course, my memory ain't as good as it used to be!)?

517 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:36:39am

re: #499 lifeofthemind
Good morning my friend - how are ya doing today?
Uh, did you check your e-mail yet?!

518 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:36:46am

re: #506 yah


"WalMart shoppers, remove all shoes and follow the inflated yellow line to our Discounted Specials of the Day! We have discounted items you'll not believe! We discount Palin's executive experience, Obama's LACK of executive experience and we super-discount McCain's proven patriotism!

Half-off on all smears, dissembling and lies."

/And now, the rumors behind the news...

519 formercorpsman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:36:48am

re: #446 realwest

Real, you just summed it up better than anything I have spent time reading over the last 2-3 days trying to wrap my brain around the Democrat's angle in this.

Seriously, that was superb.

520 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:37:05am

re: #510 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, jwb7605 was on the same carrier (in a different squadron) just a few years after me.

Small world sometimes!

521 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:37:26am

re: #503 Tigger2005

Can the Kansas City Royals apply? They've been melting down all year.

That gets into the "creationism debate" definition of a year. I'm a Royals Fan.
I think "all year" started in 1981.

522 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:37:33am

re: #480 formercorpsman

You know, I have lightly read different articles about this stuff.

I just finished reading up on the origins of ACORN. After all is said and done, and for as much as I have desperately tried to not paint with a broad brush, the DNC knowingly, or unknowingly have succeeded in electing an out and out communist as our potential leader.

I hate conspiracy, but damn. How the hell do you rationalize everything that seems to be unsavory?

It blows my mind.

One of the strengths of conspiracies is that it is hard for outsiders to take them seriously. They build up a protective shell with their improbability and at some level the very social repulsiveness of confronting them at their own level. Both Bolshevism and Nazism triumphed in siezing power despite the fact that they were small conspiracies populated by misfits with obvious psychological problems.

523 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:37:33am

re: #502 pre-Boomer Marine brat You betcha! Hey I'm no wussy, I'll even hold your coat for ya!

524 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:37:55am

re: #433 FrogMarch

Obama votes "Present" on the economy.

he can't or won't commit himself to any position, for the most part.
he is so deceptive.
hasn't he voted 'present' 135 times?
i think we can't look at anything abt. him except his peers, his puppet masters, and what he has done in the past.
i had a sobering thought this morning, if somehow this unqualified thug gets in office, thru fraud or ignorant voters, what will be the first thing he does?
what dangerous stupid moves will he make?

(not that i think for a second he will win)

525 StinkHammer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:38:44am

re: #490 opnion

This is for what it's worth. Geraldine Ferraro was on H&C last night.
They were talking about Michelle Obama saying not to "Vote for that guy, cause I like him & she's cute" She then said thet cute referred to herslef, you know, not Palin.
Ferraro then comments that she believes her & 'Michelle is not cute, she's gorgeous"
Is it just me?

Dunno about that segment, as I didn't see it. But Ferraro is the trump card in any Lib argument that "Palin is unqualified" -- whenever some Obamaniac tells me Palin's resume is too weak for VP, I simply say, "What about Geraldine Ferraro?" Of course, that reference is lost on most of them (as they're usually youngster-types), so I have to tell them to look it up on the Interweb thingy. Anyone who believes Ferraro had a more impressive resume than Sarah Palin as a VP candidate is an intellectually dishonest party hack.

526 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #503 Tigger2005

Can the Kansas City Royals apply? They've been melting down all year.

The Royals are young & scrappy. They are a team on the rise.
I just need them to drop the next two to the White Sox.
Then we fight it out next year.

527 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:39:57am

re: #514 jwb7605

On our ship, there were two spigots dispensing water.
One spigot ... bad plan ... salt water (fire control). Other spigot was fresh water (we had steam catapaults).
The guy that "trained me" said "always use this one to fill the pot, and add this measure from the other faucet, and use this measure of coffee grounds".

The recipe was "handed down" over several years of cruises, and I never did know what the actual volumes were.

Navy traditions! The "recipe" could probably traced back to the Constitution's measure for rum and water to make grog.

528 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:39:59am

re: #480 formercorpsman

You know, I have lightly read different articles about this stuff.

I just finished reading up on the origins of ACORN. After all is said and done, and for as much as I have desperately tried to not paint with a broad brush, the DNC knowingly, or unknowingly have succeeded in electing an out and out communist as our potential leader.

I hate conspiracy, but damn. How the hell do you rationalize everything that seems to be unsavory?

It blows my mind.

It was obvious to me months ago that the Democrats were choosing a freaking Commie to run for President.

It's not really that surprising when you think about it. The groundwork has been laid for a long time. Most Americans no longer understand the fundamentals of democracy or capitalism. We've become more and more Third World in our thinking, such as it is.

We're no longer the country that rejected Communism in the depths of the Great Depression (even though we did go for socialism). Many of us are all too willing to go for quick fixes ... thuggish, arm-twisting politics in place of painstaking consensus building, government largess and credit in place of hard work and savings. And, most of us don't have the grounding in history to understand what a failure Communism is.

529 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:40:32am
530 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:40:34am

re: #524 nyc redneck

he can't or won't commit himself to any position, for the most part.
he is so deceptive.
hasn't he voted 'present' 135 times?
i think we can't look at anything abt. him except his peers, his puppet masters, and what he has done in the past.
i had a sobering thought this morning, if somehow this unqualified thug gets in office, thru fraud or ignorant voters, what will be the first thing he does?
what dangerous stupid moves will he make?

(not that i think for a second he will win)

If he committed to a position he'd have a "record" and he can't have one of those.

531 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:40:53am

re: #517 realwest

Good morning my friend - how are ya doing today?
Uh, did you check your e-mail yet?!

Just did, will reply in a bit. Was just going to let a hairy friend visit nature.

532 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:41:22am

re: #525 StinkHammer

Dunno about that segment, as I didn't see it. But Ferraro is the trump card in any Lib argument that "Palin is unqualified" -- whenever some Obamaniac tells me Palin's resume is too weak for VP, I simply say, "What about Geraldine Ferraro?" Of course, that reference is lost on most of them (as they're usually youngster-types), so I have to tell them to look it up on the Interweb thingy. Anyone who believes Ferraro had a more impressive resume than Sarah Palin as a VP candidate is an intellectually dishonest party hack.


Ferraro herself, is very honest about it.

533 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:42:14am

re: #519 formercorpsman
Why thank you. That's a very nice compliment to get first thing (or nearly first thing!) in the morning!

534 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:42:16am

re: #523 realwest

You betcha! Hey I'm no wussy, I'll even hold your coat for ya!

LOL

535 StinkHammer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:42:54am

re: #532 opnion

Ferraro herself, is very honest about it.

That's refreshing.

536 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:43:28am

re: #528 Tigger2005

After the Revolution of Young Turks released all political prisoners imprisoned under the Caliphate, 'Abdu-l Baha (knighted Sir 'Abdul-Baha for his successful efforts at organizing refugee relief in the Holy Land during WWI, all the while with a 50,000 Pound Sterling price on his head, thanks to the Muslims) came to America in 1921 and, while here, warned of the imminent rise of the left...

537 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:43:43am

HUH - Mom just came in to say there was a huge bombing at a big hotel somewhere in Pakistan (it was on Fox so of course they didn't give any detail cause they had to get to the Guardian Angels guarding Calley's parents house). Anyone else hear about it?

538 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:45:25am

re: #525 StinkHammer

Dunno about that segment, as I didn't see it. But Ferraro is the trump card in any Lib argument that "Palin is unqualified" -- whenever some Obamaniac tells me Palin's resume is too weak for VP, I simply say, "What about Geraldine Ferraro?" Of course, that reference is lost on most of them (as they're usually youngster-types), so I have to tell them to look it up on the Interweb thingy. Anyone who believes Ferraro had a more impressive resume than Sarah Palin as a VP candidate is an intellectually dishonest party hack.

Geraldine Ferraro seemed to come very close to "endorsing McCain" before declaring Democrat allegiance publicly. She has never argued that Palin is unqualified, and has actually defended Palin's qualifications.

Sort of the way Hillary is not a PUMA.

539 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:45:37am

re: #522 lifeofthemind
Wow!

One of the strengths of conspiracies is that it is hard for outsiders to take them seriously. They build up a protective shell with their improbability and at some level the very social repulsiveness of confronting them at their own level. Both Bolshevism and Nazism triumphed in siezing power despite the fact that they were small conspiracies populated by misfits with obvious psychological problems.

just a great summary of it all!

540 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:46:13am

re: #515 opnion

Interesting way to look at it. It is know secret that a lot of the sub-primr mortages went to people who speak poor English , many illegal.
So yeah, they got easy credit. The problem is among other things ,that it was predatory lending.
I am sure that you do not mean it this way, but "sweat equity" is a Marixst concept. If you take a wage to work on something you do not
necessarily establish equity. If that is true I own a lot of homes , that I insulated back in the day.

* * *
You're right, if you get paid to build houses, that's your reward. What I meant to say is that many illegals working in this country, wanting a house, probably work harder for what little cash they get, than some of the welfare cheats in this country who live off the "fat of the land" or other Americans' tax dollars--and got housing due to democrat-written laws making credit accessible to people who previously couldn't qualify for credit.

541 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:46:30am

re: #537 realwest

HUH - Mom just came in to say there was a huge bombing at a big hotel somewhere in Pakistan (it was on Fox so of course they didn't give any detail cause they had to get to the Guardian Angels guarding Calley's parents house). Anyone else hear about it?

At the Islamabad Marriott -- here's BBC

542 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:48:09am

re: #537 realwest

HUH - Mom just came in to say there was a huge bombing at a big hotel somewhere in Pakistan (it was on Fox so of course they didn't give any detail cause they had to get to the Guardian Angels guarding Calley's parents house). Anyone else hear about it?

Here we go...

A bomb killed 25 people in northwest Pakistan yesterday, while in the capital opposition politicians walked out of parliament, forcing the chamber to postpone a debate on weekend violence in Karachi.
543 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:48:44am

re: #516 realwest

Hey good morning my friend! Thankew for your support! LOL!
How are ya doing today? (and btw, didja check your e-mail?)? How's the shoulder from our golf game yesterday (where, iirc, I played like a Tiger Woods on steroids! Course, my memory ain't as good as it used to be!)?

The shoulder is just fine. My swing changes are just about 100% done which protect the torn rotator cuff.

You were a monster yesterday on the course, but mainly due to your short game. You chipped up to within tap out range for par on a couple holes, and you drained 2 long putts for birdie. Oped your stance a little on the putts ala Jack Nicklaus to get a better look at the line and it worked like a charm.

By the way, I hear the White Sox bull pen (ERA of 6.75 in September) just applied for a meltdown bailout too.

Congrats to Jeter for passing Babe Ruth on hits at Yankee stadium.

544 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:49:15am

re: #539 realwest

The Achilles Tendon of courteous peoples everywhere! Brutal thugs and punks will take unfair advantage of that courteous desire to respect others as 'basically human', and the inhuman creatures violate with near-impunity until there is now way to avoid their filth and dehumanizing hatred... a la Nazis, racists, Dhimmocrats

545 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:49:33am

re: #541 pre-Boomer Marine brat

At the Islamabad Marriott -- here's BBC

Here's Pakistan's DAWN

546 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:50:27am

re: #532 opnion
Yes, I'm sure she was; but "feminists" didn't support her very much either; iirc her adult son had been busted for cocaine use a month or so after the nomination and the usual crowd gathered to say she couldn't be a good mom and work as a congresswomen and run as a VP.
That's the Democrats Leftists for ya; if you actually do what they say is your right, they get pissed off cause you DO IT, and they're too lazy to try.

547 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:50:56am

re: #521 jwb7605

That gets into the "creationism debate" definition of a year. I'm a Royals Fan.
I think "all year" started in 1981.

I was fortunate enough to be a kid during the Royals' glory years. Wonderful, thrilling times. We lived very near the stadium. The energy through the spring, summer, and fall was palpable, especially when the Yankees came to town. We had George Brett and many other excellent players. The '77 and '78 teams were the best, even though it was the '80 and '85 teams that went to the Series. Since then, it's been pretty much downhill. We seemed to be coming back about 5 or 6 years ago ... everyone was raving about our lineup and pitching ... but the season was a disaster.

What I loved about those '70's teams was that they were speedy, line-drive hitting teams. The stadium fences were way back, so being primarily a power-hitting team didn't pay (although we did have plenty of guys who could hit for power). But the speed and line-drive hitting made things so damn exciting. Lots of running on the basepaths, lots of taking the extra base and sliding in ahead of the tag. Back then it wasn't illegal to slide in with your spikes up, and particularly when we played the Yankees, there was a LOT of that. Those teams hated each other and tried to hurt each other.

548 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:51:23am

re: #542 jcm

Repeat after me ... "oops"
That's from last year.

549 StinkHammer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:52:25am

re: #538 jwb7605

Geraldine Ferraro . . . has never argued that Palin is unqualified, and has actually defended Palin's qualifications.

Ferraro appears to have more intellectual integrity than many of her Party's adherents. Her candidacy seems to be conveniently forgotten when it comes so many Obama supporters' habit of comparing resumes.

550 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:52:43am
551 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:53:30am
552 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:53:38am

re: #546 realwest

Yes, I'm sure she was; but "feminists" didn't support her very much either; iirc her adult son had been busted for cocaine use a month or so after the nomination and the usual crowd gathered to say she couldn't be a good mom and work as a congresswomen and run as a VP.
That's the Democrats Leftists for ya; if you actually do what they say is your right, they get pissed off cause you DO IT, and they're too lazy to try.

* * *
While Vice President, Al Gore personally called several newspapers so they wouldn't report his son Al Gore III's getting busted for drug possession in high school! AND the "media" respected Al Gore's request for "privacy" for his felonious son, repeatedly arrested for other infractions later on.

So said Todd Lindberg--at the time, an editor at the Washington Times. Now he publishes in the Weekly Standard, where I read this last night.

553 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:53:58am

re: #548 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Repeat after me ... "oops"
That's from last year.

D'oh!

554 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:54:53am

re: #550 ploome hineni

when the Pakistanis get fed up with islam and violence, then maybe they will have to collective will to do something about it

what is surprising, is that there is not more bombing in Pakistan

Pakistan is an example of what Iraq could have been (best case) if Biden's "segregation plan" had been adopted.

555 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:55:21am

re: #540 alegrias
Good morning my friend!

You're right, if you get paid to build houses, that's your reward. What I meant to say is that many illegals working in this country, wanting a house, probably work harder for what little cash they get, than some of the welfare cheats in this country who live off the "fat of the land" or other Americans' tax dollars--and got housing due to democrat-written laws making credit accessible to people who previously couldn't qualify for credit.


Once again you hit it outta the park. We have what I strongly suspect are "undocumented workers" doing all the landscape work in our LARGE garden apartment complex; they all speak Spanish with me fairly well (I'm not fluent enough to really hold conversations with 'em) but rarely English, and they work their asses off around here. And, according to some ICE stats I saw somewhere, they send close to 76% of what they make BACK to Mexico to support their families.
Of course, that's the safety valve on the pressure cooker that is Mexico, but it does go I think, albeit anecdotally, to support your point.

556 StinkHammer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:56:18am

re: #551 ploome hineni

I agree, but sometime during the past wee, it seems he tone has somewhat changed

maybe someone ;spoke' to her

I haven't been following her comments much. You mean she's gotten more partisan?

557 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:56:25am

re: #540 alegrias

* * *
You're right, if you get paid to build houses, that's your reward. What I meant to say is that many illegals working in this country, wanting a house, probably work harder for what little cash they get, than some of the welfare cheats in this country who live off the "fat of the land" or other Americans' tax dollars--and got housing due to democrat-written laws making credit accessible to people who previously couldn't qualify for credit.

I could not disagree with that. The work ethic that I see among a lot of illegals is humbling. The welfare culture in this country is debilitating to society as a whole & the recipients. It was only meant to be a safely net in the short term, not generational.
The problem that I have with Illegals is that one, the are illegal.
Further they drive down wages & I see a real resistance to assimilation.
Cinco De Mayo is bigger than the 4th in a lot of immigrant communities.

558 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:58:03am

Islamabad Marriott
the Times of India has a smidge more detail.

Not a whole lot out there so far.

559 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:59:00am
560 formercorpsman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:59:07am

I gotta run, I truly apologize for you guys that responded, not getting back to you.

I just looked at the clock. I have to get one of the little monsters off to his football game.

Catch you guys later tonight.

561 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:59:07am

re: #541 pre-Boomer Marine brat Thank you for that.
Shit. Why is it that if we take out some civilians (by accident) while killing terrorists, we are "Anti-Muslim" but if AL-Q or the Taliban murder - deliberately - other Muslims that seems to be cool in the Muslim world?!
Effing psychopaths is what they are.

562 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:59:09am

re: #557 opnion

It was only meant to be a safely net in the short term, not generational.

The same is true of The American Cancer Society, Opnion, but when they saw how much they could earn tax-free they quickly transformed into an entrenched orthodoxy, investigating but never 'finding' real causes of cancer...

The same spiritual cancer eats at our society... I concur yr analysis.

563 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:59:43am

re: #550 ploome hineni

when the Pakistanis get fed up with islam and violence, then maybe they will have to collective will to do something about it

what is surprising, is that there is not more bombing in Pakistan

Nah, it's easier to hate America, and blame us for all their problems.

564 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:59:45am
565 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:01:23am

re: #545 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Here's Pakistan's DAWN

How nice...

I'm sure the Islamist taught the Marriott a lesson.


/

566 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:01:46am

re: #553 jcm

D'oh!

I don't know how that happened for you, but here's a JIC FYI. If you've Favorited any of the Paki newspapers (and maybe others over there), your link remains targeted on the news of the day when you saved it. You have to refresh to get the current day's front page. This is true of Pakistan's DAWN and Pakistan's Daily News. Sometimes its a real pain finding the link to "current".

567 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:02:10am

re: #547 Tigger2005

What I loved about those '70's teams was that they were speedy, line-drive hitting teams. The stadium fences were way back, so being primarily a power-hitting team didn't pay (although we did have plenty of guys who could hit for power). But the speed and line-drive hitting made things so damn exciting. Lots of running on the basepaths, lots of taking the extra base and sliding in ahead of the tag. Back then it wasn't illegal to slide in with your spikes up, and particularly when we played the Yankees, there was a LOT of that. Those teams hated each other and tried to hurt each other.

That was just before the start of the steriods era. Back int he 70's and 80's it was more pain killers, speed and other stimulants to get up for games.

Starting pitchers also had some pride in pitching complete games then too. Nowadays, once they get through the 5th inning they are looking into the dugout after every pitch wanting to get taken out.

Funny thing I've noticed since they started testing regularly for steroids . Not only has there been an amazing drop in weight of players around the league, but the average velocity on the fastball has dropped about 4 to 5 mph.

It clearly was not just the sluggers who were juicing.

568 Born Again Republican  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:02:49am

re: #524 nyc redneck

(not that i think for a second he will win)

Prepare yourself! Sixty percent of people believe the fundementals of our economy are not strong...advantage Obama.

I could cry.

570 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:04:27am

re: #558 pre-Boomer Marine brat

17 dead.

571 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:04:30am

re: #566 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Didn't bother reading the date line.
pffttt.

572 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:05:00am

re: #551 ploome hineni

I agree, but sometime during the past wee, it seems he tone has somewhat changed

maybe someone ;spoke' to her

They probably showed Gerry the plans for the camps for "political enemies."

573 lori lane  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:05:04am

re: #474 HoosierHoops

Thanks lori! {lori}
being the typical white trash that i am..We are going to Wal-Mart in a few hours to buy the food and booze..
I feel so ashamed..:)

As you should ;-)

574 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:05:47am

re: #568 Born Again Republican

Prepare yourself! Sixty percent of people believe the fundementals of our economy are not strong...advantage Obama.

I could cry.

60 percent of people don't understand what our economy is based on (free trade).
I'll loan you a tissue.

575 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:06:13am

In other sports news, I am stunned that the US is doing so well in the Ryder Cup so far.

I guess they can play without the Great Tiger Woods after all.

576 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:06:20am
577 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:06:27am

re: #554 jwb7605

Pakistan is an example of what Iraq could have been (best case) if Biden's "segregation plan" had been adopted.

re: #555 realwest

Good morning my friend!


Once again you hit it outta the park. We have what I strongly suspect are "undocumented workers" doing all the landscape work in our LARGE garden apartment complex; they all speak Spanish with me fairly well (I'm not fluent enough to really hold conversations with 'em) but rarely English, and they work their asses off around here. And, according to some ICE stats I saw somewhere, they send close to 76% of what they make BACK to Mexico to support their families.
Of course, that's the safety valve on the pressure cooker that is Mexico, but it does go I think, albeit anecdotally, to support your point.

* * *
Morning, RealWest! First off, thank you for your excellent example, thanks to you I finalized my root canal yesterday with a titanium post implanted, so now I have a bionic mouth!

Yes, it's unfortunate that unscrupulous dems use these poor peoples' troubles to beat McCain and Republicans. It was 70 years of Socialism and crappy leftists governments that made Mexico so miserable its people risk life & limb to get on our gravy train. Mexico could be like an economic power house some day, when it gets with pro-growth, anti-leftist policies adopted from visitingTrotsky & Stalin's advisors.)

(I swear I think it's Jorge Ramos' voice on that Obama ad I heard yesterday using Rush Limbaugh's face & clips of anti-latino words to beat McCain on immigration. Jorge Ramos is now syndicated by the New York Times, and his anti-Bush, anti-McCain, pro-LaRaza pieces are spread far and wide in WashPost subsidized "El Tiempo Latino" free papers. Ramos used to be a pretty faced up & coming boy, now he's a tiresome hysterical internationalist like Andrew Sullivan, except advocating open borders and erasing America's sovereignty)

578 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:07:10am

re: #574 jwb7605

60 percent of people don't understand what our economy is based on (free trade).
I'll loan you a tissue.

60% just don't understand economics at all.

579 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:07:38am

I was up before dawn this Saturday morning, and its 2200 in beautiful, suburban Bangkok... where NO BOMBS have gone off...
...today!

/see all y'all later! Best regards, Friends

580 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:07:45am

re: #550 ploome hineni
Good morning ploome! Well that fella that Bush and our State Department couldn't be bothered to help, President Mushareef got sufficiently fed up with it that he had the attack on the Red Mosque carried out in the middle of the capital, taking out a LOT of terrorists and enablers.
Now we have a "government" in Pakistan that's still trying to get some sort of consenus on it's right to rule trying to contemporaneously fight the jihadists. It's really bad in Pakistan, because a LOT of people do want a Sharia state, but hate the way the jihadists are going about doing it. And, of course, so far at least the only real stable power in Pakistan - the military - is letting things "play out" before they take over again to prevent Sharia law in secular matters.
I feel SO BADLY for my two Pakistani friends down here - almost everyday one or the other of 'em calls "home" (they are both US Citizens from before 9/11) to see if their relatives are still alive. What an absolutely shitty way to go through life.

581 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:08:01am

re: #571 jcm

Didn't bother reading the date line.
pffttt.

Apparently, some of the Web software over there is fairly crude. I try to remind myself to look at the dates, and STILL get bitten from time to time.

582 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:08:36am
583 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:08:38am

re: #568 Born Again Republican

Prepare yourself! Sixty percent of people believe the fundementals of our economy are not strong...advantage Obama.

I could cry.

don't lose faith.
60% of our citizens define themselves as basically conservative.
which means they are smart enough to see that obama is the answer to nothing but more trouble in all areas not just the economy.
this commie will not get elected.

584 Born Again Republican  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:09:06am

re: #578 3 wood

60% just don't understand economics at all.

And McCain's team is not doing a good job explaining it!

585 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:11:26am

re: #570 lawhawk

17 dead.

Thanks!

The attack came soon after Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, had made his first address to a joint session of parliament, pledging that Pakistan would not tolerate any infringement of its territory in the name of the fight against militants.

Okay, Asif, then show us what you're made of (or not).

/venal, self-serving, *sshole

586 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:13:43am

re: #578 3 wood
Huh, "60% 80% just don't understand economics at all."
There, fixed that for you!

587 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:14:09am

re: #584 Born Again Republican

And McCain's team is not doing a good job explaining it!

The absolute worst thing you can do at a time like this is raise income taxes. Hoover did that in 1930 and took away what little income growth there was.

Which is exactly what Obama wants to do.

McCain needs to pound him on that.

588 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:14:50am

re: #576 ploome hineni

474 HoosierHoops

my problem with wal mart is I do not want to send my money to China

and

walmart is like a vacume cleaner, destroys all small business in its'wake

i tied my hair up w/a simple cotton bandana this morning.
i was disheartened to see printed in black letters on one corner, "made in china"
i have some old ones, really cute designs, all made in the USA.
better cotton. softer. we are losing a lot of quality.
and not just in do-rags.

589 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:15:08am

re: #583 nyc redneck
Good morning to you nyc redneck! And from your lips to God's ear!

590 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:15:22am

re: #557 opnion

I could not disagree with that. The work ethic that I see among a lot of illegals is humbling. The welfare culture in this country is debilitating to society as a whole & the recipients. It was only meant to be a safely net in the short term, not generational.
The problem that I have with Illegals is that one, the are illegal.
Further they drive down wages & I see a real resistance to assimilation.
Cinco De Mayo is bigger than the 4th in a lot of immigrant communities.

* * *
Agree with you wholeheartedly. Many illegals here escaped countries that are basketcases of liberalism that can't even feed them! Illegals voted with their feet, rejecting statism and crony capitalism or whatever their crappy countries peddle, that doesn't work for people at the lower ends of the economic scale. So they are voting FOR our system where they can GET jobs and WORK. (Unlike many of our own who sit back waiting for jobs & $$$)

It's amazing many of these escapees from paternalistic stateism still have a work ethic at all, plus the motivation to survive in a foreign country where they don't speak the language in part due to lack of any education, much less literacy in their OWN language.

I reject the illegality of crossing our borders, and I want a foreign policy that encourages these crappy countries to clean up their act.

Long live President Bush (VIVA!) for supporting good leaders such as President Alvaro Uribe, who kicked Chavez' narco-terrorist-
FARC-supporting ass recently, and stood with Pres. Bush in the Rose Garden this morning, begging Congress to pass the Colombian Free Trade Agreement to combat poverty/drugs/terrorists in his part of the hemisphere.

Leaders such as Pres. Bush reward good friends and encourage them to do the hard things for their people.

591 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:15:59am

Obama is the answer to overdramatic hollywood bs. This guy is neither a politician nor a statesman. He's a better actor. Still, I cant understand why he hasn't been censured for his stunts with Iraq. If a republican or independant had done it, the donkocrats would be screaming for their heads.
Things here in Turkey seem to be going from bad to wrose. It seems that the govenment in power is starting to show its true colors.


592 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:17:41am

Check out the link on the memri blog.


Your text to link...

This is true Islam in action!

593 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:18:46am

Obama is the gift that keeps on giving

IBD has put together an end to end perspective on Obama, the Audacity of Scoialism; it is devastating. If even half of what they say is right, Obama is actually a sinister character, a talented socialist enemy of freedom moling his way to the top of American power. He really does make George McGovern look like Goldwater. What I have learned about him and his life convinces me all the more that he should not be trusted. It is the method of his rise as well as its foundations. It is the fact that throughout his life he has ALWAYS taken the farthest left path. And at every turn he covers his associations to conceal his real direction. Almost without exception, every far lefty I have encountered in the last 30 years has been militantly anti-Israel, while it is not the central catechism of "the faith," its is a necessary tick box that most on the far left find easy to check. So it is that Obama's blurring and silence on his relationship with Rashid Khalidi is part of a backdrop of Hamas call centers in Gaza helping his campaign and that eminent man of faith, George Galloway, prays for his well being and political victory. His life as portrayed to the American Voters is a Soviet news photo- the whole thing has been airbrushed to remove the non-persons, inconvenient friendships and associations to mainstream his image. If Bush was a fool to pose under a Mission Accomplished banner; Obama has learned the lesson and carefully sanitized and buried his past. What is missing is a photo that shows the man ever building something of lasting value and real accomplishment- instead we have who makes this expert on Orwell and totalitarian literature say: "I have read this book before."

"I liked Alice Palmer a lot," Obama would say later. "I thought she was a good public servant. It (the process by which Obama got Palmer off the ballot) was very awkward. That part of it I wish had played out entirely differently."

Who Alice Palmer is and what she believed is the real story here.

Ten years earlier she was an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a communist front group, an affiliate of the World Peace Council, a Soviet front group.

Palmer participated in the World Peace Council's 1983 Prague Assembly, part of the Soviet launch of the nuclear-freeze movement. The only thing it would have frozen was the Soviet Union's military superiority.

In June 1986, while editor of the Black Press Review, she wrote an article for the Communist Party USA's newspaper, the People's Daily World, now the People's Weekly World. It detailed her experience attending the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and how impressed she was by the Soviet system.

Palmer gushed at the "Soviet plan to provide people with higher wages and better education" and spoke of the efficiency of the Soviets' most recent five-year plan, attributing its success to "central planning." She praised their "comprehensive affirmative action program, which they have stuck to religiously — if I can use the word — since 1917."...

When Obama won the Iowa caucuses, Frank Chapman, a member of the U.S. Peace Council Executive Committee, wrote a letter to the People's Weekly World celebrating the victory of Alice Palmer's former protege.

"Obama's victory was more than a progressive move," Chapman wrote. "It was a dialectical leap ushering in a new era of struggle. Marx once compared (the) revolutionary new era of struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface."

Before old-style Chicago politics as practiced by an ambitious Obama doomed their friendship, he thought Palmer was a good public servant, and Soviet admirer Palmer thought he was a worthy heir. Why?

594 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:19:54am
595 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:20:07am

Islamabad Marriott -- the Beeb has updated

We're going to find out if Zardari has the balls to deal with this.

/anyone got a microscope?

596 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:20:11am

re: #568 Born Again Republican

Prepare yourself! Sixty percent of people believe the fundementals of our economy are not strong...advantage Obama.

I could cry.

* * * *
Only in Prozac Nation.

WE the people are what's fundamental in the US economy, not the crappy legislated monsters democrats created to tilt the economy.

The whole world wants to come here & be part of the "fundamentals" that make the world economy go.

597 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:21:02am
598 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:21:06am

re: #584 Born Again Republican Yeah but you know it's difficult to explain economics 101 in sound bites. What McCain ought to be doing is pounding away at the idiotic notion that NOW is a good time to raise taxes. And even though Obama says he's not gonna raise taxes on the "average" (i.e., not "rich") Americans, in fact he IS GOING TO DO SO - he's said, on at least two occassions that I remember, that he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts lapse, which means, iirc, that anyone making over $45,000 is gonna be paying more in taxes.

599 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:21:12am

re: #564 taxfreekiller

Ahem, the RINOest RINO of them all named a certain Sarah Palin as his runningmate.

She, I can promise you, was never on Barrack Obama's short list.

600 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:21:14am

re: #589 realwest

Good morning to you nyc redneck! And from your lips to God's ear!

hello {real}, how are you this beautiful morning?
:D

601 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:22:55am

later everyone ... got stuff to do.

realwest, you're on your own son
(-:

602 3 wood  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:23:30am

Gotta run, later.

603 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:23:36am

re: #591 baconeatingkaffir
Hi there, uh

Things here in Turkey seem to be going from bad to wrose. It seems that the govenment in power is starting to show its true colors.

Would you please elucidate on that - what are the governments true colors?

604 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:24:49am
605 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:25:25am

re: #584 Born Again Republican

And McCain's team is not doing a good job explaining it!

* * *
Hey!
Sarah Palin on the McCain ticket is trying to reach out to the electorate that attends our lousy public schools, and still manages to run businesses, cities and states despite NOT having Harvard law degrees or being financial "geniuses"!

606 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:25:34am

re: #555 realwest

Good morning my friend!


Once again you hit it outta the park. We have what I strongly suspect are "undocumented workers" doing all the landscape work in our LARGE garden apartment complex; they all speak Spanish with me fairly well (I'm not fluent enough to really hold conversations with 'em) but rarely English, and they work their asses off around here. And, according to some ICE stats I saw somewhere, they send close to 76% of what they make BACK to Mexico to support their families.
Of course, that's the safety valve on the pressure cooker that is Mexico, but it does go I think, albeit anecdotally, to support your point.


Real, all of that is true. I have spent a little time in Mexico, enough to know that, that petro dollar rich country is an oligarchy.
The fact that they work hard does not negate the fact that they depress wages. Yes landscape workers speak mostly Spanish. Owners can't employ Americans and compete.
76% of their wages go back to Mexico or as the Mexican government says 'Remittances". That is money right out of our economy.
My point is that a lot of citizens suffer to prop up a corrupt Mexico

607 Born Again Republican  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:26:51am

re: #587 3 wood

The absolute worst thing you can do at a time like this is raise income taxes. Hoover did that in 1930 and took away what little income growth there was.

Which is exactly what Obama wants to do.

McCain needs to pound him on that.

Democrats have been so successful making Bush the fall guy and the current financial crisis plays into people's anger toward Bush. Just when success in the Iraq was is at hand. McCain and Republican unite!

This crisis is a sinister plot!

608 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:27:31am

re: #603 realwest

Did you see the memri blog link I posted after my snafued post? Several officials frm the current government have been indicted in a scam using money from a charity organization to finance newspapers and tv stations that are pro AKP party as well as others have been charged with embezzlement in some sort of housing scheme. Turkish PM Erdogan Calls To Boycott Turkey’s Largest Independent Media

609 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:29:00am

re: #593 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Good morning to you!

What is missing is a photo that shows the man ever building something of lasting value and real accomplishment-


Well it's not because they've airbrushed THOSE photos because those photos don't exist.
This guy's biggest accomplishment - on his own - is being a community organizer (his election to the State Senate and the US Senate can be credited - if that's the right word - to Tony Rezcko and the Daley Machine and the lack of any significant opposition in his US Senate election). And THIS is who the Democrats Leftists want to be OUR President, OUR commander-in-Chief, the leader of the free world.
God help us all.

610 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:29:09am

re: #591 baconeatingkaffir

I was just leaving, but saw that you're in the room.

Where is the Turkish Army "at"? Do you think it has the ability to launch another coup if needed, or is it allowing itself to be boxed in by the civilian Islamists?

611 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:29:17am

re: #589 realwest

Hi Real, how are you doing today? I've been away from posting for a day or so, update on you and how you are feeling.

And a general hi to all other Lizards this fine morning.

612 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:31:58am

re: #611 Walter L. Newton

Hi Real, how are you doing today? I've been away from posting for a day or so, update on you and how you are feeling.

And a general hi to all other Lizards this fine morning.

* * *
Hey Walter, hope you're better too. Lizards are a scrappy lot, take lickings and keep on ticking.

613 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:32:03am

re: #608 baconeatingkaffir
Ah, no I didn't see that - sorry and thank you!

614 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:32:38am

re: #610 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good question. Usually the armed forces has quarterly purges of people with connections to religion etc. However this term they didnt purge anyone. The police have been infiltrated by the islamists. People here want the army to take over actually. How much more patience the military will show is anyone's guess. I just hope the military here hasnt gotten as bad with ticket punching and politicking as it has in the US.

615 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:33:23am

re: #611 Walter L. Newton
Hey good morning Walter! I'm doing ok, thanks. What's up with you today?

616 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:35:56am

re: #588 nyc redneck

Years ago, I was standing in an elevator and one of my new, made in China, hair clips fell out. Picking it up from the floor, I noticed that it fell out because the clip part no longer curled in like my old ones but was straight so it couldn't really hold the other end of the clip. I said something under my breath about cheap Chinese manufacturing being the death of us and this hipster turned to me and told me to "get a life."

The quality thing was sacrificed for many years. I think it's going to making a strong come back because, quite literally, it has turned out to be the death of us in both matters large and small. At least I hope so.
;)

617 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:37:10am

re: #616 Irene NYC
Hey, good morning Irene! Didja say anything back to him?
Wish I had been there with you!

618 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:37:18am

re: #615 realwest

Hey good morning Walter! I'm doing ok, thanks. What's up with you today?

Getting back to normal, that's all. I'll be back in the tech booth tonight, our new show opened last night. But I won't be doing any of the mre physical parts of my job for a couple of more weeks.

I missed Obama, he was speaking here at the same time I was getting cut on. I would have really gone over to the School of Mines to see him, since it's just a mile and a half away (and I have friends who could have gotten me in). I was wanting to pull a Zombie on the event with my camera.

619 filetandrelease  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:38:02am

Ahhh, the religion of pieces, just blew up another hotel full of infidels. In Pakistan

620 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:38:38am

re: #616 Irene NYC

Irene, here in Turkey cars from India and China are starting to be imported and sold. I'm very scared of those. Nothing like tooling down the street and the wheels fall off or the windshield pops out!

621 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:39:13am

re: #618 Walter L. Newton
How long until the doc's say you're ok to do your normal work/live a normal life? Are you in significant pain from the surgery?

622 Born Again Republican  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:40:37am

re: #598 realwest

My son was teetering on voting for Obama even with his tax strategy until I pointed out to my son Obama's quote "It's the neighborly thing to do." The light went on in his head and he said "That's socialism!" Duh!

He's in Michigan and I have to constantly keep on him that their problems are due to Democratic rulers there, not Bush. And they keep voting them back into office and STILL want to vote a Democrat for President.

How do you get through to these people?

623 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:41:58am

re: #617 realwest

Hey, good morning Irene! Didja say anything back to him?
Wish I had been there with you!


Morning, real! Hope you slept well. ;)

I did say something back to the effect that things needed to be made well enough to work, the response was that I needed to get with the program. The guy could only speak in cliches.

624 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:43:28am

re: #620 baconeatingkaffir

Irene, here in Turkey cars from India and China are starting to be imported and sold. I'm very scared of those. Nothing like tooling down the street and the wheels fall off or the windshield pops out!

My mom was given a CD player as a gift from her bank. Turns out the electrical cord is covered in lead. Warning! Do not touch!

You can't make this stuff up.

625 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:44:57am

re: #614 baconeatingkaffir

Good question. Usually the armed forces has quarterly purges of people with connections to religion etc. However this term they didnt purge anyone. The police have been infiltrated by the islamists. People here want the army to take over actually. How much more patience the military will show is anyone's guess. I just hope the military here hasnt gotten as bad with ticket punching and politicking as it has in the US.

Back in after a shower and shave -- Thanks! I've been hoping to bump into you, to ask that question.

gotta run fast now

626 MadJadBad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:45:10am

Feel the irony.
Biden: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."
Michelle Obama: "People shouldn't make a decision this time based on 'I like that guy' or, you know, 'She's cute'."

627 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:50:46am

re: #622 Born Again Republican LOL, well a ballpeen hammer might work! Seriously though I don't know how - with the MSM SO MUCH in the tank for Obama it's hard to even hit the Leftists with a clue-bat much less a hammer.
Just keep preaching the truth - sooner or later, SOME of them will get it.

628 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:53:04am

re: #623 Irene NYC
Ah, well, see that's why I shoulda been with ya - you are too much of a lady for his ilk; I'd a said something like "hey fuck you - why don't you try to, ya know, actually THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of just spewing out crap that sounds good!"
LOL!
Besides, I'd sure like to meet you, even if not just to put a moonbat in his place! LOL!
Heading up thread now!

629 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:04:42am
630 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:45pm

re: #502 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey, that's showing REAL courage!

ROTFLMAO... Hey, he is a LAWYER... It's what Lawyers do...

631 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:22pm

re: #180 FamHistoryGuy

Mine was a Jonathan Cud who was listed in Virginia in 1750's on a tax roll. Then what became Union Co., SC. From there to Spartanburg Co., SC then Christian Co., Ky where he died about 1815. The records are fuzzy but he seems to have had at least three families. Or perhaps it was a case of son named after father. My line is Jonathan, Jonathan Carter then Carter C. Cudd. I have done census extracts for all of the census records thru 1920 and part of 1930. The Christian Co. Cudd group went west and north while most went the southern route thru NC, SC, Ga, Al, Ms, La and Texas and up to Ok, Ar and Mo.

Ancestry.com shows some interesting records of the Cudd families in the 1700's and early 1800's. For example, a Jonathan Cudd enlisted in the Fifth Regiment of the Army on 18 March 1776, and an 1800 census of South Carolina lists a John Cud next to Jonathan Cudd (most likely the same fellow who had enlisted in the army?), who had sons Jonathan and Zach. It appears that each Cudd generation had quite a few children, and they regularly named their kids with the same name (Jonathan, Zacharia, etc.) as the previous generation. Pretty confusing, what with the sparse records of that time.
.

632 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:34:52pm

re: #480 formercorpsman

I hate conspiracy, but damn. How the hell do you rationalize everything that seems to be unsavory?

The communist worldwide infrastructure didn't just fall apart, at the same time that the USSR crumbled. By design, during the Cold War the marxist/communist ideals and methodology became a self-sustaining cancer (to the Constitution) here in America, and one of their admitted targets of influence has always been our political system:

Daily KOS
Let's Be Completely Honest ... Lie
by sn00t
Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:26:32 AM PDT

It occurs to me as I watch the nonstop cable coverage that as smart as we all are, we are still so dumb.

Why do we do this to ourselves, election after election? The tactics of Rove, as deplorable as they are, work because they have no morality to them.

How do you fight lies? We try with truth, but a lie accepted as truth cannot be battled with a "different" truth in the mind of many. This is especially true when you consider, alas, the mass public is not reading KOS, Politico, The Page, and Huff Po. What we are all missing is the truth about elections. The truth is that you lie. You lie and keep lying and when you get accused of lying you lie even more.

Look at McCain's campaign for evidence of this. In the same paragraph of a press release it will both question Obama's patriotism, and then deny questioning his patriotism. It will say how good the economy is and then how terrible it is. It will deny the truth of huge budget deficits and then go on to call for more tax cuts. You see, we progressives believe that information, and more accurately, factual evidence, will set you free. We are devotees of finding and consuming ideas, perspectives, and information in all formats. And in that, we sow our own fate.

The problem is that we believe that if we can only talk to someone, and present the "facts", or provide "evidence" to the contrary, we can sway people to our line of thinking. The problem is obvious: people who don't already think like you most likely don't consume and derive perspective in the manner you do, yielding all of our work, all of our effort, and all of our faith in the facts - worthless.

If you want to convert someone to your position, lie to them.

If you want to support Obama, lie about John McCain. Hell, tell the truth about John McCain - but add on any other thing you can think of that is outrageous. If you are talking about the election to an NRA member, tell them John McCain hates guns. If you are talking to a religious figure, tell them that John McCain is an atheist (this pains me to say as an atheist, as it infers something wrong with atheism, but we all must sacrifice here!). Lie. Lie with abandon. Lie without regret.

The republicans understand that facts are meaningless. Why do we fall prey to this year after year? How could we lose 2000, and 2004? The facts were on OUR SIDE, and yet, we lose. If you want to help Obama, stop spending all your time reading sites with your own point of view. Post in the comment sections at ABCNEWS, at CNN, at MSNBC, at Fox ... anywhere where there are people no of your own idealogical persuasion - FLOOD THEM WITH LIES.

I hate to say it, but like a TV commercial jingle, that gets caught in your head for a day, the republicans are landing their lies in the ears of the public every second. And you can't fight it with truth - you can only hope to beat them to the punch with a lie. A scandalous or hard hitting comment or statement that causes that person to say - "oh wow - really?"

This election is of paramount importance, with McCain trying to reignite the cold war, an Iranian War, and more love to corporations like Exxon ... morality is not a luxury we have available to us.

So let's be completely honest... LIE.


.

633 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:52pm

The Democrat's phony attack methods have become quite predictable:

If there's a truth, say it's a LIE.
If there's a lie, say it's the TRUTH.
If it's good, say it's BAD.
If it's bad, say it's GOOD.

Straight out of George Orwell's book, '1984'.

For example, on Larry King Live last night (Friday 9/19) billed PALIN'S STAR POWER FADING Larry was obviously trying to roast Sarah Palin, but it didn't go so well. The guests against Palin were obviously prepped with an agenda of shouting down their opposition with obfuscation and twists of reality, but they weren't quite up to it.

Have you noticed the prevalence of 'blinkers' -- nervous, dishonest people who can't stop blinking -- whom the Democrats use for talking heads? (Nancy Pelosi most notably comes to mind.)

Last night on Larry King, Florida's Democratic Senator Debbie Wasserman Schultz was doing the 'Pelosi blink' as she tried to shout down the other guests, stating ridiculous lies like "Palin's popularity is dropping like a rock" (ORWELL ALERT) at the same time that Minnesota Congresswoman Barbara Bachman was praising McCain/Palin's extremely popular campaign appearance in Minnesota that very same day. Schultz made herself look like a rude ass.

Another of Schultz' so-called talking points was criticizing Palin's recent comments regarding the "Bridge to Nowhere". Larry King played a video clip where Palin didn't directly answer a question regarding "Didn't you at first support the Bridge to Nowhere, before you canceled it?" In retrospect it was a setup, because Schultz obviously had her guns LOADED and waiting for that clip (it looked like King had deliberately prepped her for that bit, because she proceeded exactly as if she had a license to kill). Schultz went on and on about how Palin supposedly made a flip-flop in her decision regarding first supporting that bridge and then canceling it, and therefore had lied to us and wasn't executive material.

HOLD IT! ORWELL ALERT! So what, if Palin was at first for the project to build a bridge to Ketchikan's airport, and then against it? She's not the one who initiated the bridge, Senator Ted Stevens was. Once Palin got in office as the Governor and reviewed the details of that project, SHE CANCELED IT, yet Larry King's ORWELLIAN mouthpiece made it sound like that was a bad thing. Sorry, Larry, good is not bad, like you're trying to imply.

Later on in the show, Republicans Lars Larson and Ben Ferguson made some really good points in favor of Palin, constantly interrupted by Democrat Mike Papantonio who tried to pick up the 'smear Palin' football and run with it by talking down the other guests with statements like "Palin is looking like a freak" (ORWELL ALERT) and also referencing the same comment that Schultz had made earlier regarding "Palin's popularity is dropping like a rock." (ORWELL ALERT.)

What does the above all mean?

-- The ORWELLIAN SCHOOL OF LIES AND DECEIT is alive and well, and is thriving inside the Democratic Party, most notably in our Marxist Mainstream Media.

-- There is some strong background prepping of these talking heads, so that they sing the same ORWELLIAN tune.

Read Orwell's book, '1984.' Apply those techniques to what's going on in today's Democratic Party and you'll suddenly understand what to expect regarding the upcoming ORWELL ALERTS, which will give us ammo for predicting and planning future moves.

Know that when a liberal/Democrat is screaming the loudest, THEY ARE GIVING YOU AN ORWELL ALERT. They simply cannot help themselves.

Keep in mind this cartoon, which aptly describes the ORWELLIAN SCHOOL OF LIES AND DECEIT.

For those interested in the sleazier background of the above, check out the text of PSYCHOPOLITICS, which Congressman Usher Burdick read into the Congressional

634 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:42:36pm

...which Congressman Usher Burdick read into the Congressional Record in the 1950's.
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