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Open | Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:31:02 pm PDT

And that’s the story of how Norville Barnes climbed waaay up to the forty-fourth floor of the Hudsucker Building, and then fell all the way down but didn’t quite squish hisself. You know, they say there was a man who jumped from the forty-FIFTH floor? But that’s another story.

Moses the Clock Man, The Hudsucker Proxy

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1 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:33:23pm

Will someone please wake me up when this thread becomes active?

2 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:34:42pm

re: #1 Moe Katz

Will someone please wake me up when this thread becomes active?

Wake up.

3 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:14pm

'Morning!

4 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:23pm

We could ridicule those still on the Nashville thread....

5 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:47pm

We own this thread!

6 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:35:59pm

Whose picture is that you have for an avatar?

7 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:36:21pm

Beat this thread like a drum!

8 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:36:54pm

Herr Ludwig Van Beethoven. (I'm a piano player)

9 DesertSage  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:05pm

Noam is going to Spain to walk on dangerous pathways.

Myself? I've never been to Spain.

10 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:14pm

They're whining about what they're paying for gas in the southern US and here in Canada I'm paying 4.60 per US gal today

11 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:24pm

And here I am hanging out on the last thread like a sucker.

12 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:47pm

re: #8 little boomer

Herr Ludwig Van Beethoven. (I'm a piano player)

Classical piano?

13 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:50pm

re: #6 Moe Katz

That would be Beethoven the Master.

/yeah I know I said I was done, had to jump in for one last comment.

14 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:37:50pm

I recognize your avatar- my young boys love him.

15 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:38:29pm

Is he still popular?

16 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:38:30pm

Mainly classical, but I'll fake any gig!

17 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:39:14pm

And mine is an original. Only find it on three places of the net. And I have them all. :)

18 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:39:22pm

Funny I didn't recognize that Beethoven image. I'm a fan, too.

19 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:40:20pm

re: #17 BlueCanuck

And mine is an original. Only find it on three places of the net. And I have them all. :)

Where is that?

20 RTLM  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:41:23pm

The Undefended City


[snip]

I sit with others in darkened rooms, watching films like Redacted, Stop-Loss, and In the Valley of Elah, and see our brave young soldiers depicted as murderers, rapists, broken psychotics or ignorant dupes –visions foisted upon me by bitter and isolated millionaires such as Brian de Palma and Paul Haggis and all the rest.

I’ve been told this story in some form or another, every day of every week of the past 30 years of my life. It wasn’t always so.

But it is certainly so today. And standing against all this hypnotic power — the power of the mythmakers in Hollywood, the power of the information peddlers in the media, the corrosive power of America-hating professors on every campus in America… against all that we find an old warrior — a paladin if ever there was one — an old, beat-up warhorse standing up in defense of his city one last time. And beside him: a wonder. A common person… just a regular mom who goes to work, does a difficult job with intelligence and energy and grace and every-day competence and then puts it away to go home and have dinner with the family.

[snip]

When all is said and done, Civilizations do not fall because of the barbarians at the gates. Nor does a great city fall from the death wish of bored and morally bankrupt stewards presumably sworn to its defense. Civilizations fall only because each citizen of the city comes to accept that nothing can be done to rally and rebuild broken walls; that ground lost may never be recovered; and that greatness lived in our grandparents but not our grandchildren. Yes, our betters tell us these things daily. But that doesn’t mean we have to believe it.



- Bill Wittle

21 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:44:53pm

re: #19 little boomer

Here's the main picture that I took. It's also my avatar right now on facebook as well as here. So three places. :)

22 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:45:01pm

Alfred Brendel is retiring in December. If anyone makes a good case that the Beethoven sonatas work on modern piano it's him. Generally, though, I'm adjusted to fortepiano.

23 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:45:05pm

re: #20 RTLM

The opening paragraph is excellent.

And here I thought I was going to bed.

Dammit, Whittle!

24 hazzyday  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:45:17pm
25 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:46:03pm

Okay, NOW I am off to bed. 6:30 comes too damn early.

26 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:46:21pm

Goodnight, BC!

27 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:47:36pm

re: #21 BlueCanuck

Here's the main picture that I took. It's also my avatar right now on facebook as well as here. So three places. :)

Toronto, I see.

Moe K- Alfred Brendel-boyhood hero.

28 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:48:38pm

re: #1 Moe Katz

Dude,

we're live.

29 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:50:05pm

re: #27 little boomer

Toronto, I see.

Moe K- Alfred Brendel-boyhood hero.

You chose a fine model. Do you play any B sonatas?

30 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:51:48pm

re: #28 nightwatch

Dude,

we're live.

What took you so long?

31 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:52:01pm

re: #29 Moe Katz

You chose a fine model. Do you play any B sonatas?

A bunch before marriage, kids and getting into church organ gigging.
I'll play them again when the kids go to college!

32 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:53:34pm

re: #31 little boomer

A bunch before marriage, kids and getting into church organ gigging.
I'll play them again when the kids go to college!

No room for the Boesendorfer at home, huh?

33 Russkilitlover  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:53:39pm

Can't help but keep beating this drum......

Susan Atkins - Manson Family member and multiple murderer, most specifically, murderer of eight month pregnant Sharon Tate who wanted to "cut the baby out, but I didn't have time."

She's now enjoying art classes in prison and seems to be having a quite jolly time.

In 1999, Susan attended a watercolor class and enjoyed the medium. She has been studying art ever since, availing herself of art classes offered at the prison, reading art books and magazines, and practicing as often as possible. She works in watercolor, acrylic, pastel, graphite, pen & ink, and colored pencil. Susan realizes that her interest and her talent are gifts from God, as is the simple fact that the California Prison System allows her the opportunity to enjoy them. This is something Susan does not take for granted. As such she has dedicated her work to serving those in the community./blockquote>

34 Mike McDaniel  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:54:26pm

I'm not sure if anyone saw it, but [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...] has a piece on the Palin e-mail hack.

It's looking like the culprit may be connected to Obama's campaign manager.

This is getting worrying...Obama's campaign tactics are becoming more and more reminiscent of Germany in the early 1930s. Not so much campaigning as thuggish intimidation.

35 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:55:20pm

re: #32 Moe Katz

No room for the Boesendorfer at home, huh?

With luck I could trade the home for a Bosendorfer!
Bosendorfer is a cool computer wall paler though,

36 gmsc  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:56:01pm

And now, we would like to announce that this week's winner of the move in poorest taste is . . .

Hurricane Ike victims being kicked out of hotels . . . to accomodate Miami Hurricanes Fans

37 The Archivist  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:57:30pm

#20 - RTLM

Whittle's finest work yet!

38 little boomer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:57:34pm

Late in the east coast-over and out kids...

39 ggt  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 10:57:57pm

What, a new thread? No one announced it downstairs.

And, to top it off, I have to sleep.

weet dreams all!

40 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:00:07pm

re: #35 little boomer

With luck I could trade the home for a Bosendorfer!
Bosendorfer is a cool computer wall paler though,

Nice meeting you, but I'm falling asleep. We'll have to continue this musical discussion another time, though. Anyone that plays B sonatas has my highest respect. Now I want to listen to Brendel's Hammerklavier, but I need the sleep.

Bye for now.

41 neocon hippie  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:05:42pm

I'm not naturally conspiracy-minded, but I have to wonder if somehow there are Democrats involved in the fact that this financial meltdown just happens to be happening in the run-up to the election, in order to create difficulty among the populace and rouse the clamor for "change", as Zombie noted in the last thread.

42 Steffan  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:08:05pm
43 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:10:17pm

re: #42 Steffan

where the hell is Inuyasha?

44 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:12:11pm

re: #20 RTLM

The Undefended City



- Bill Wittle

Stern now was Eomer's mood, and his mind clear again. He let blow the horns to rally all men to his banner that could come thither; for he thought to make a great shield-wall at the last, and stand, and fight there on foot until all fell, and do deeds of song on the fields of Pelennor, though no man should be left in the West to remember the last King of the Mark. So he rode to a green hillock and there set his banner, and the White Horse ran rippling in the wind.

Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising
I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking:
Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!

These staves he spoke, yet he laughed as he said them. For once more lust of battle was on him; and he was still unscathed, and he was young, and he was king: the lord of a fell people. And lo! even as he laughed in despair he looked out again on the black ships, and he lifted up his sword to defy them.

And then wonder took him, and a great joy; and he cast his sword up in the sunlight and sang as he caught it. And all eyes followed his gaze, and behold! upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but Seven Stars were about it, and a high crown above it, the signs of Elendil that no lord had borne for years beyond count. And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen daughter of Elrond; and the crown was bright in the morning, for it was wrought of mithril and gold.

Thus came Aragorn son of Arathorn, Elessar, Isildur's heir, out of the Paths of the Dead, borne upon a wind from the Sea to the kingdom of Gondor; and the mirth of the Rohirrim was a torrent of laughter and a flashing of swords, and the joy and wonder of the City was a music of trumpets and a ringing of bells. But the hosts of Mordor were seized with bewilderment, and a great wizardry it seemed to them that their own ships should be filled with their foes; and a black dread fell upon them, knowing that the tides of fate had turned against them and their doom was at hand.

East rode the knights of Dol Amroth driving the enemy before them: troll-men and Variags and orcs that hated the sunlight. South strode Eomer and men fled before his face, and they were caught between the hammer and the anvil. For now men leaped from the ships to the quays of the Harlond and swept north like a storm ...

45 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:13:23pm

re: #20 RTLM


My son now sits, far way from the "Green Zone" hunched in the top turret of an MRAP, with the lethal solace of a twin 50 to ward away the evil spirits of desert gee-haad who he sees always just over the next dune, hiding within cars in the next city traffic circle, mingled within the children of a school gate, or the care-free shoppers of the market place.

The younger men look up to him for knowledge and the protection of his wisdom from his last 3 deployments. He is the grizzled vet who landed on Normandy who is now in Germany, he is the physical life-line for those who have never seen combat, who wish they could just be close enough to him to absorb just some sort of life saving nugget. It is the way with warriors, he has been there and DONE that. He has the special secret and we must learn it from him they think.

But he is barely 25, yet he is ancient to them

46 stuiec  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:14:23pm

My little letter to the sponsors of the Stop Iran Rally.

To: 'malcolm@conferenceofpresidents.org'; 'howard.rieger@ujc.org'; 'rubinm@ujafedny.org'; 'millerm@jcrcny.org'; 'sgutow@thejcpa.org'

Sirs and Madam:

As a Masorti Jew (a member of [Congregation] in [California]), I am deeply ashamed that respected Jewish organizations succumbed to partisan pressure and rescinded their invitation to Gov. Sarah Palin to address the rally against Ahmadinejad’s appearance at the United Nations. Why would you allow partisan organizations to dictate policy to you?

Gov. Palin’s appearance at the event would have ensured a far higher profile and far more extensive media coverage of the event, leading to many more American citizens learning about the grave danger Ahmadinejad’s regime poses to the USA as well as our ally Israel. Given the misperception many Americans have that America engaged in the Iraq War only at Israel’s bidding, it’s essential that the American public understand the threat Iran’s regime poses to the USA and American interests, and not regard it simply as a parochial concern of Israel and American Jews. Disinviting Gov. Palin was a major blunder and failure to advance the agenda against Iran.

Best regards,

[stuiec]

47 RTLM  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:19:06pm

Heh - Whittle does indeed bring out the rapier wisdom.

salute -

48 rancher  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:20:25pm

re: #33 Russkilitlover

Political Piggy done in blood.

49 hazzyday  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:28:14pm
50 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:29:53pm

Charles?

Ya killed the icons?

It took me months to whittle down me crest to the required 32 bits!
Had to take a skill-saw to it in the end and the blisters on me fingers required a doctors care and weeks in bed for the love of Mike!

Ya have no mercy man!

51 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:37:33pm

AAAHHHHH CHARLES,

I see the ICONS now,

A lovely man ya are.

52 hazzyday  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:44:30pm

Obama an Elitist?

Sharon Cobb is worried that it is racism. But his grandmother that raised him was a banking vice president. He went to the best elite school

I do think Sarah Palin is the only regular person in the campaign. Everyone else has rich connections along the line.

53 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:47:56pm

Lately I've been thinking about what the media would try to uncover about me if I ran for President in 2024.

54 Maximu§  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:57:04pm

whats the heart for?

55 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:57:11pm

re: #53 TheMatrix31

Lately I've been thinking about what the media would try to uncover about me if I ran for President in 2024.

We're already working on it...........go back to s(h)leep............

/....

56 thefarmer  Fri, Sep 19, 2008 11:58:23pm

Recently saw an article that detailed how much Johnson or Raines overstated Fannie's profits in order to get the bonuses, no idea where that was. Anyone have links to the details?
Or links to details to the $$$$ they both walked off w/ in a few short years?
I need ammo to convince some fuzzyheaded friends. TIA

57 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:02:45am

re: #56 thefarmer

It was more than $800,000 for Raines... try Googling "$800,000 raines"...

58 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:08:05am

re: #56 thefarmer
Go way back to 2003 when President Bush wanted to put over-sight on these two institutions and you will have not only a time line but a MAJOR Pooh trail (very foul) of just who blocked efforts to have this done.

FOLLOW DA M O N E Y........

59 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:42am

re: #54 Maximu§

whats the heart for?

That saves the particular comment or story in your Favorites collection.

The exclamation mark lets you either recommend or report the comment to Charles or his sidekick Stinky Beaumont.

60 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:24am

OH,

after midnight,
Morning Goddess.

61 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:34am

re: #59 victor_yugo

That saves the particular comment or story in your Favorites collection.

The exclamation mark lets you either recommend or report the comment to Charles or his sidekick Stinky Beaumont.

So we've got:
a BOO button,
a YAY! tab,
a Heart-On and
a snitch-switch.

/I'm really bored................

62 MisterCookie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:47am

re: #20 RTLM

Heh, one of my favorite lines in LOTR is said by Denethor in Return of the King(I'm trying to paraphrase from memory): "Though our vigilance may have been thankless, it was not fruitless"

Thought it was the perfect allegory for the defense of the West by the US and the inability of socialist nations to recognize they exist only through our protection. I'm surprised the author of that article didn't mention it.

63 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:16:11am

These new graphics still remind me of square gumdrops.

64 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:55am

Any golfers here?. I'm an American, but no Sergio, no Lee Westwood in the mix at Ryder Cup in the morning. Is Nick sandbagging us?

65 infopimp  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:59am

re: #34 Mike McDaniel

I'm not sure if anyone saw it, but [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...] has a piece on the Palin e-mail hack.

This article says LGF was hacked! (?)

66 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:13am
67 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:41:33am

Heads up people!

Bill O'Reilly's site also hacked

They posted a screenshot of the names, emails, passwords, addresses of his Premium members. :((

So if you have a registration there, CHANGE IT NOW.

These kids are dumb. This only makes us Conservatives get angrier, and angrier and angrier. We vote. You don't. Go on, give us more reasons to wipe the floor with you in this election.

68 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:04am

re: #67 vbspurs


Is this part of Moveon.orgs implied threat to 'out' prominent conservatives?

69 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:11am

re: #65 infopimp

This article says LGF was hacked! (?)

No, it says Bill O'Reilly's site was hacked. Premium memberships' info is compromised.

70 RTLM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:44:02am

re: #62 MisterCookie

Heh, one of my favorite lines in LOTR is said by Denethor in Return of the King(I'm trying to paraphrase from memory): "Though our vigilance may have been thankless, it was not fruitless"

Thought it was the perfect allegory for the defense of the West by the US and the inability of socialist nations to recognize they exist only through our protection. I'm surprised the author of that article didn't mention it.

You should Eject! Eject! Eject!

More often.

71 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:23am

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

Is this part of Moveon.orgs implied threat to 'out' prominent conservatives?

How dreadful, if true.

This is the kind of stuff they wouldn't blink twice simply to imagine Bush/Rove doing, but they love, when they actually DO it.

The Left is currently under attack -- by their extremists. I worry about Islamic fundamentalists, big time. But it's time to start worrying about the extreme Left in America.

72 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:45am

Wow, not too sure I dig the new up/down ding icons.

73 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:48:02am

re: #72 vbspurs

I dig the avatar!

74 HD Woman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:01am

Good morning Lizards, fellow hatchlings and trolls!
Looks like Govenor Palin will be getting a speaking slot anyway. I'm sure she will take the chance to scold the Dems for being once again selfishly putting their own agenda over the world safety.
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
Sic 'em Sarah!

75 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:41am

re: #73 WindHorse

I dig the avatar!

Hehe. The Sarah Palin wig works even on arrogant elitists. ;)

76 LeePro  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:50:14am

re: #73 WindHorse

From downstairs...

[drive-by post]

Windhorse!
Did you ever make that visit to Memphis? You missed our meet-up!

77 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:54:08am

Well, since it's slow right now:

As promised my photoblog of you know who, you know where yesterday. He flabbergasted me by referencing "lipsticks and pigs" again. And incredibly, some black people were protesting him. It's apparently some kind of cult.

Anyway, good night, Lizards! :)

78 shiplord kirel  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:13am

I'm sure some of y'all saw this earlier:

Obama's lead bounces as U.S. economy turns gloomy

A latest poll by CBS News and the New York Times showed that Illinois Senator Obama led McCain by 48 percent to 43 percent, and those who surveyed believed Obama was more likely than McCain to bring needed change to Washington by a margin of 65 percent to 37 percent.

"Hello, this is an automated election year poll by the New York Times and CBS News. Please listen carefully to the following questions:

If you are an educated, nuanced, sensitive person who supports peace, prosperity, and change, and who will therefore vote for Obama/Biden, please press 'one' (because he is the ONE).

If you are a backward, ignorant, gun-clinging racist Neanderthal who has not heard the disastrous economic news and who therefore still intends to vote for McCain and his lipstick-wearing side-kick, please press Two, assuming of course that you can read numbers.

Para Espanol y Obama/Biden, oprima el tres."

79 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:57:59am

Just watched Frailty for the first time in a long while. Thats a damn fine movie.

80 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:03am

Let the Cyber Wars begin. Me thinks I'm on the good side of the firewall/

81 nightwatch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:14:12am

re: #80 Mel Lono

You think my son,

Pray, how GOOD is the GOOD on this side your on?
I'll stand with you and say this side is the good.
I only hope this side is worth the fight we will be up against!

I'll drink my glass and say GOODnight.

82 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:29:47am

I am declaring this thread as mine.......

83 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:49am

re: #81 nightwatch

Standing with me is all that i could ask. It is when good men stand by and do nothing that evil prevails.

84 HD Woman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:58am

Did any of you guys read this?
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes. "

What a steamy crock!

85 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:43am

re: #82 WindHorse

I am declaring this thread as mine.......

re: #82 WindHorse

Dead link

It's not dead until Jerry sings.

86 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:13am

re: #85 Mel Lono

egggsellent!

87 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:53am

I'm going to sleep right through fruitcup if you folks don't liven this thread up...

88 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:53:15am

re: #87 littleoldlady

What would you like to discuss, LoL?

The Conference of Presidents, perhaps? Would that keep your eyes open?

/

89 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:09am

Temujin! :-)

You're so bad!

/yeah. that did it...

90 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:05am

re: #89 littleoldlady

I'm so bad?

/I think you're confusing me with Malcolm Hoenlein . . .

91 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:52am

You're bad in that you're going to get me started again.

/I was cursing a blue streak yesterday
//back to my days as a waitress...

;-)

92 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:53am

Actually, we were having a discussion of good v. evil but the devil didn't know I already made it home.

93 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!

94 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:27am

Thank you maam!

95 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:43am

Mel! :-)

96 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:01:26am

re: #93 littleoldlady

Thank you so much, LoL!

Right on time, too!

97 Fearless Fred  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:01am

re: #88 Temujin

What would you like to discuss, LoL?

The Conference of Presidents, perhaps? Would that keep your eyes open?

/

Here -- let Monte keep your eyes open!

Howdy littleoldlady!

98 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:26am

Almost right on time. ;-)

99 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:55am

I clicked the gumdrop with the little '+' to show my approval of the fruitcup.

100 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:22am

re: #98 littleoldlady

As we used to say, close enough for State work . . .

101 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:12am

Fenway! :-)

Aren't those cute? Same colors as I did my daughter's room a few years back.

/designer buttons!

102 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:21am

re: #101 littleoldlady

LoL : we know how to press your buttons . . .

/(Heh. Heh. Muwahahahaha!)

103 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:12:32am

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

;-)

104 SouthAmericanWay  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:15:05am

Please, send this to all your undecided friends, relatives, colleagues.

It may have already been posted, but it is worth repeating: a non-conservative undecided economics professor analyzed both candidates for The Atlantic and decided for McCAIN.

His conclusion? OBAMA would mean more of the wrong kind of economic policies... I kid you not: great article.

105 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:15:08am

re: #97 Fearless Fred

almost original.
Closed my eyes and heard the real thing.

106 Fearless Fred  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:00am

re: #105 Mel Lono

almost original.
Closed my eyes and heard the real thing.

Hah hah ... yeah . . .
But you're bein' a little mean, aren't you?

107 Fearless Fred  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:20:11am

re: #98 littleoldlady

Almost right on time. ;-)

*Now* I know what's been missing from my life lately!

Hmm, good! Thanks littleoldlady.

108 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:01am

re: #101 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Aren't those cute? Same colors as I did my daughter's room a few years back.

/designer buttons!

I think another lizard refered to these as '70's appliance' colored buttons.

109 Jed 1899  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:52am

Going out tonight for our 1st anniversary.(me and wifey)
I'm gonna miss being here.
Hold the place down.

110 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:22:39am

re: #107 Fearless Fred

FRED! :-)

Howdy!

111 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:25am

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

That's the problem with color matching on computers. On my monitor they look like lime green and rose - as opposed to avocado and harvest orange.

112 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:26:56am

re: #106 Fearless Fred

not at all. you would know if i was. it comes with scars.

113 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:00am

re: #84 HD Woman

No details on controls used in the "study". Extremely small sample and lots of preconceived attitudes on what the tests measure.

114 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:45am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

*yawwwwwwwn*

*blink*blink*

115 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:11am

Miss Trixie! :-) :-) :-)

116 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:27am

re: #114 Miss Trixie


Good Morning, Miss Trixie!

117 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:32:49am

re: #115 littleoldlady

littleoldlady---- Thanks for the fruitcup. Makes a splendid suppliment to the MREs.

118 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:55am

Hiya, toots!

:D

Why I'm up at this hour, I have no idea. Just couldn't sleep past 4:30 then when Lil Miss discovered I was awak, she decided it was time to get up. So she yelled at me, we went downstairs and she yelled at me again and she's happily scarfing down some scribbled eggs with a little cheese.

/Who runs this house anyway?

:D

119 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:35:13am

re: #116 FamHistoryGuy

Good Morning, Miss Trixie!

Good morning! I'm not usually here at this hour but I am one of the DT brats later in the day. :D

The stories I could tell!

120 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:19am

re: #119 Miss Trixie

Ahh Yes the DT. They can get interesting at times.

121 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:54am

G'day from Down Under to [everyone}

Thought I'd ease back into posting here after being a slacker lurker for months

It's a warm Saturday evening here in Sydney and it's footy finals time - so I'm ready to watch the game and be entertained here as well!

122 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:23am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

re: #118 Miss Trixie

Well, the dog does, naturally.

/unless you have a cat

123 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:44am

re: #121 aussiemagpie

G'day, magpie.

It's Spring down your way, - right?

124 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:42:03am

aussiemagpie! :-) :-) :-)

125 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:45:58am

re: #123 Temujin

G'day, magpie.

It's Spring down your way, - right?

Hi, and yes! it's Spring and about time after a long winter - so sick of wearing bedsocks!

126 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:30am

Lil OLd - *snicker* I love that site.

{aussie} Darls! haven't talked to you in a while. We're headed toward autumn, the maples are blushing scarlet and this is the last official weekend of summer.

Drat.

127 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:25am

re: #121 aussiemagpie

Good evening.

Hope you are enjoying the evening and the games.

I do have some vague links there. Some very distant kin by the name of Cudd. Have not found a link back to GB yet from the US so don't know the exact relationship. My old man was a Marine on a heavy cruiser that escorted a carrier there about 1940. I need to see if I can find the pictures of his that I scanned. I was at Phan Rang AB in RVN in 69/70 when there were some Canbera's there.

128 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:58am

re: #124 littleoldlady

aussiemagpie! :-) :-) :-)

Hi {littleoldlady}

When do you pick up your award for feeding the night shift every night?

You're a marvel - rain hail or shine you're here with the famous fruitcup!

129 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:39am

re: #125 aussiemagpie

Enjoy it!

Up here everything's turning yellow and brown - and stiff . . .

130 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:01am

Award? I'm still waiting for my Zionist check!

;-)

131 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:55am

re: #130 littleoldlady

Checks? We get checks? Nobody mentioned checks.

132 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:54:09am

re: #126 Miss Trixie

Hi darls! I keep missing you :-(

Summer is just around the corner - today was just gorgeous - 30C and without the humidity

Time for you to get those boots out of the wardrobe!

133 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:56:49am

I have a hard time picturing anywhere in Australia being cold enough to bundle up with winter clothing.

Then agian, I've only been to Sydney around springtime. I imagine Tasmiania and the South Island of NZ share a similar climate.

134 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:02am

re: #132 aussiemagpie

Hi darls! I keep missing you :-(

Summer is just around the corner - today was just gorgeous - 30C and without the humidity

Time for you to get those boots out of the wardrobe!

Ack. Don't remind me. :P

135 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:01:22am

re: #131 FamHistoryGuy

Checks? We get checks? Nobody mentioned checks.

We're all Israeli / Republican / VastRightWingConspiratacy Operators (take your pick).

/didn't you get the memo?

136 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:02:27am

And some of us can't spell.

/must explain my lack of checks...

137 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:03:35am

re: #135 littleoldlady

Memo, memo. Nope, no memo here. Perhaps it is a performance based thing. Hope I did not confuse it with one of those Nigerian bank letter thingies.

138 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:03:48am

re: #135 littleoldlady

Dang!

All I got was a lousy stimulus check!

Where do we go to submit a complaint?

139 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:31am

re: #127 FamHistoryGuy

Hi, the game is just about to start and it will be a ripper for sure

Wouldn't it be wonderful to trace that connection?

I visited Vietnam a few years back - saw the American Embassy just before it was demolished

140 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:08:10am

re: #129 Temujin

Enjoy it!

Up here everything's turning yellow and brown - and stiff . . .

LOL!

Here i'm anxiously waiting for the first little green sprout on my lovely frangipani tree (my first sign of summer)

141 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:09:42am

Well I'm jonesing for a nice long soak in the tub with loads of bubblies so I'm out for a while.

Yikes! It's just past 6:00 and the sun isn't even up yet.

142 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:31am

re: #139 aussiemagpie

With that name they have to be kin of some sort. I can only get back to mid 1750's in Virginia. Of course that may not be the real name. He may have had his passage paid for by the Crown in one way or another. Some of my ancestors were reputed to be of less than gentle birth and to have associated with base and low companions.

143 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:56am

re: #133 Fenway_Nation

I have a hard time picturing anywhere in Australia being cold enough to bundle up with winter clothing.

Then agian, I've only been to Sydney around springtime. I imagine Tasmiania and the South Island of NZ share a similar climate.

Hi, it was cold here this winter - we even had a bit of that strange white stuff fall in a few suburbs of Sydney in July

Just a sprinkling but it was white and soft :-)

144 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:11:45am

re: #140 aussiemagpie

The bright spot is, the weeds are dying as well!

You can always find something positive, if you look real hard -

145 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:03am

re: #143 aussiemagpie


AL GORE LIED!

146 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:31am

re: #143 aussiemagpie

More of that global warming I assume.

147 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:20am

re: #141 Miss Trixie

See ya luv and have a wonderful Saturday

148 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:21am

re: #142 FamHistoryGuy

With that name they have to be kin of some sort. I can only get back to mid 1750's in Virginia. Of course that may not be the real name. He may have had his passage paid for by the Crown in one way or another. Some of my ancestors were reputed to be of less than gentle birth and to have associated with base and low companions.

My ancestors were kicked out of Ireland for drunken disorderliness and uttering obscenities against the Queen.

Growing up, we just called that Christmas. :P

/really out

149 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:16:24am

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

Wait, Fenway!

I hear grim predictions about the coming winter!

/You ain't seen nothin' yet!

150 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:19:26am

re: #142 FamHistoryGuy

With that name they have to be kin of some sort. I can only get back to mid 1750's in Virginia. Of course that may not be the real name. He may have had his passage paid for by the Crown in one way or another. Some of my ancestors were reputed to be of less than gentle birth and to have associated with base and low companions.

Our first white settlers all had their passages paid by the Crown - of course most of them didn't want to be here to start this prison colony!

151 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:41am

re: #144 Temujin

The bright spot is, the weeds are dying as well!

You can always find something positive, if you look real hard -

Yes, my bright spot during winter was - no flies! no mossies!

152 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:47am

re: #111 littleoldlady

That's the problem with color matching on computers. On my monitor they look like lime green and rose - as opposed to avocado and harvest orange.

You can't really fix the color-mismatch problem unless you get a monitor calibrator, which range in price somewhere between $100. and $5,000. The calibrator basically consists of an optical sensor with a cord that plugs into one of your computer's USB ports.

You hang the optical sensor directly in front of your monitor and then run a program which displays known values of Reds, Greens, and Blues on the screen, meanwhile the optical sensor reads the values of what your monitor is actually displaying. When the program finishes, it automatically adjusts your video system and calibrates it so that the monitor puts out true color values.

The higher-priced calibrators will calibrate your monitor, printer, scanner, and digital camera, while the bottom-line ones only do the monitor.
.

153 Temujin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:25:10am

re: #151 aussiemagpie

I've taken to adopting the local spiders as pets - I'm not fast enough to whack the flies these days!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

154 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:25:32am

re: #150 aussiemagpie

Our first white settlers all had their passages paid by the Crown - of course most of them didn't want to be here to start this prison colony!


We might all be in the same boat!

"Earth is an Insane Asylum, to which the other planets deport their lunatics." Voltaire (Memnon the Philosopher).

.

155 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:57am

re: #152 Tamron

Tamron! :-)

The higher-priced calibrators will calibrate your monitor, printer, scanner, and digital camera, while the bottom-line ones only do the monitor.

Do they have calibrators to compensate for the differences in human eyesight and perception?

/I'll stick with the Pantone matching System. ;-)

156 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:31:22am

Whats this with Fidel Castro having slept with 35,000 women in his time in the job?

I mean .. thats a hard boiled egg for breakfast ... every day .. stirred AND shaken ...

does he have stamina .. ego or is it just communist-ish BS as usual?

/he's WHUPPED my annual record .. dammit !

157 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:34:18am

re: #150 aussiemagpie

Tended to be a one way trip for the guards as well if I remember my history correctly.

158 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:34:34am

News from Indonesia, our northern neighbour

Wearing bikinis in Bali soon to be banned?

FIRST it was the Bali bombers, now it is law-makers in faraway Jakarta that threaten to drive Aussies from the resort island.

Bikini-clad tourists may have to cover up if a law is passed across Indonesia.

The Bill is designed to define pornography and set a moral tone across the vast, mainly Muslim archipelago.

Bali, which is mainly Hindu, is up in arms, fearing for its easy-going lifestyle and sensual charms.

The Bill, which could be passed in weeks, criminalises all public acts and material capable of raising sexual desires or violating "community morality", including poetry and music.

It has won the support of Golkar, the country's largest party, but is opposed by the Democratic Party of Struggle, backed by the former president Megawati Sukarnoputri. Democratic spokesman Made Arjaya said the Bill could hurt Bali's tourism industry, which was still recovering from the terrorist bombings in 2002 and 2005.

"I can't imagine the impact on all the hotels and the tourists we have here if the Government insists on issuing the porn law," he said.

"Everyone will probably be afraid to come to Bali."

I've not been to Bali and don't want to go there but it's a favourite place for lots of Aussies to go on holidays - even after the Bali bombings so this is rather sad for the Balinese Hindus

159 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:36:41am

re: #156 Buster Bunny

Wonder what kind of choices they were given.

160 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:36:59am

re: #153 Temujin

I've taken to adopting the local spiders as pets - I'm not fast enough to whack the flies these days!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Those spiders do a wonderful job clearing out other insects from the house :-)

Except we have some really nasty ones like redbacks which take up residence in the letterbox each summer

161 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:39:31am

re: #158 aussiemagpie

There is no joy in islam. Khoumini

Looking at his picture you saw a life of evil and hatred and how what it did to the soul affected the body.

162 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:40:12am

re: #154 Tamron

"Earth is an Insane Asylum, to which the other planets deport their lunatics." Voltaire (Memnon the Philosopher).


Love this quote! Thanks

163 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:41:27am

re: #160 aussiemagpie

Tried to clean up the backyard at my Mom's house this past few months. Never knew Kansas had so many different kinds of spiders.

164 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:43am

re: #127 FamHistoryGuy

Good evening.

Hope you are enjoying the evening and the games.

I do have some vague links there. Some very distant kin by the name of Cudd. Have not found a link back to GB yet from the US so don't know the exact relationship.

In 1930 there was a Cudd living in Iowa who immigrated from England in 1872, as well as another in New York who immigrated from England in 1918. Care to share a first name and any possible dates/locations?
.

165 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:53am

re: #157 FamHistoryGuy

Tended to be a one way trip for the guards as well if I remember my history correctly.

Yes it was a bit hard to just duck back home for a bit I reckon!

166 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:53:49am

*staggers over to buffet grabs fruitcup*
*takes sip of caffeine laced beverage*

Ahhhh, I am alive. Good morning all. How goes the war?

167 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:02:03am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Good morning Blue. Must have been a really long night for most everyone else. This place is deserted.

168 Tamron  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:02:12am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

*staggers over to buffet grabs fruitcup*
*takes sip of caffeine laced beverage*

Ahhhh, I am alive. Good morning all. How goes the war?


G'night, Blue. Fading out.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................

.

169 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:04:06am

re: #167 NC State of Mind

Deserted? I think I am seeing comatose lizards more like it. Those that aren't trying to sneak out the door.

/read the thread, wasn't even a troll to bounce.

170 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:04:23am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Don't mention the war!

171 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:04:30am

Night Tamron sleep well.

172 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:08:38am

re: #163 FamHistoryGuy

Tried to clean up the backyard at my Mom's house this past few months. Never knew Kansas had so many different kinds of spiders.

Hope you had gardening gloves on - last summer we had a family of redbacks living just outside the back door underneath the kitty water bowl

Had to break up that family

173 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:12:45am

MOSCOW, September 20 (Itar-Tass) -- The orbital block, made up of the Briz-M booster block and the Canadian Nimiq-4 communication satellite, got separated from the Proton-M carrier rocket, which was launched off the Baikonur cosmodrome at 01.48 on Saturday, Alexander Bobrenyov, press secretary of the Khrunichev Research and Production Centre, told Itar-Tass.

“The orbital block continues a space flight by the suborbital trajectory, which ensures the 51.5-degree inclination of the orbit,” he specified.

According to the information of the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), “in the coming five hours the march engine of the booster block will be turned on five times, as a result of which the orbital block will move from the suborbital trajectory to the final orbit, where the satellite will be separated from it.”

The time from the launching of the rocket to the separation of the space vehicle from the booster block will be 09 hours 11 minutes 20 seconds. The satellite will stay on the geostationary orbit at 82 degrees of western longitude.

The Nimiq-4 telecommunication satellite was created by the EADS Astrum Company of Europe on the order of the Telesat Canada Company, which is the Canadian operation of satellite communication. It ensures the transmission of information and TV and radio broadcasting in North America. The satellite will function for 15 years. Its mass (together with fuel) is 4,850 kilograms.

174 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:15:46am

re: #167 NC State of Mind

Good morning Blue. Must have been a really long night for most everyone else. This place is deserted.

Hi, the night is but young here in Sydney - lovely warm evening here

175 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:15:54am

Gah, got to get moving. See you folks all later.

/littleoldlady needs to put some caffeine in the fruitcup some mornings. ;)

176 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:16:37am

re: #84 HD Woman

Did any of you guys read this?
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes. "

What a steamy crock!


I guess that's why the majority of the brave men and women fighting in our military are conservatives. 'Fraidy cats.

177 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:24:28am

re: #176 NC State of Mind

I guess that's why the majority of the brave men and women fighting in our military are conservatives. 'Fraidy cats.

Yeah, their afraid of what would happen if no one fought for freedom.

/now I am gone.

178 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:27:19am

re: #76 LeePro

Did you ever make that visit to Memphis? You missed our meet-up!

I did too. :(

179 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:27:33am

re: #174 aussiemagpie

Hi, the night is but young here in Sydney - lovely warm evening here

Ah your comment struck a nerve. Last night was the first chilly night here in NC. How I envy you and your climate!

180 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:28:10am

re: #164 Tamron

Mine was a Jonathan Cud who was listed in Virginia in 1750's on a tax roll. Then what became Union Co., SC. From there to Spartanburg Co., SC then Christian Co., Ky where he died about 1815. The records are fuzzy but he seems to have had at least three families. Or perhaps it was a case of son named after father. My line is Jonathan, Jonathan Carter then Carter C. Cudd. I have done census extracts for all of the census records thru 1920 and part of 1930. The Christian Co. Cudd group went west and north while most went the southern route thru NC, SC, Ga, Al, Ms, La and Texas and up to Ok, Ar and Mo.

181 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:28:35am

Yaaar, morning guys! I am about to start on some errands and chores. Have a good day...

182 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:29:47am

re: #99 Fenway_Nation

I clicked the gumdrop with the little '+' to show my approval of the fruitcup.

That's such a good idea! I approved your approval.

183 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:35:38am

re: #179 NC State of Mind

Ah your comment struck a nerve. Last night was the first chilly night here in NC. How I envy you and your climate!

Tonight will be the first bedsockfree night for me for a few months!

184 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:37:38am

re: #156 Buster Bunny

Whats this with Fidel Castro having slept with 35,000 women in his time in the job?

I mean .. thats a hard boiled egg for breakfast ... every day .. stirred AND shaken ...

does he have stamina .. ego or is it just communist-ish BS as usual?

/he's WHUPPED my annual record .. dammit !

Oh, yeah, well Dear Leader does that every day, and hits several hole-in-ones in every round of golf.

*cough buhhshet cough*

185 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:40:06am

Herro?

*tap*tap*tap*

Is this thing on?

186 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:42:39am

Good Morning Lizards...
hey..Blue..you usually sign off before i get here..good morning

187 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:43:08am

Goit to go for now. BBL

188 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:43:25am

good morning miss trixie..

189 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:43:48am

re: #45 nightwatch

My son now sits, far way from the "Green Zone" hunched in the top turret of an MRAP, with the lethal solace of a twin 50 to ward away the evil spirits of desert gee-haad who he sees always just over the next dune, hiding within cars in the next city traffic circle, mingled within the children of a school gate, or the care-free shoppers of the market place.

The younger men look up to him for knowledge and the protection of his wisdom from his last 3 deployments. He is the grizzled vet who landed on Normandy who is now in Germany, he is the physical life-line for those who have never seen combat, who wish they could just be close enough to him to absorb just some sort of life saving nugget. It is the way with warriors, he has been there and DONE that. He has the special secret and we must learn it from him they think.

But he is barely 25, yet he is ancient to them

{nightwatch}

God bless him, and all those around him.

190 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:44:09am

Nebraska plant fires (86) Muslims amid prayer dispute! change!

191 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:45:19am

Good morning, HH!

How's by you today?

192 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:45:37am

re: #190 akak

Link?

193 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:46:00am

{mamawinger}? Is that really you?

Where HAVE you been young lady - I've missed you!

194 polo02332  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:46:22am

The Messiah without his telepromter! Pretty Scary! Watch how he points to his eyes to indicate to his handlers that the prompter is down.

195 akak  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:47:18am

re: #192 Dar ul Harb

Link?


[Link: www.statesman.com...]

196 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:47:18am

I doing great miss trixie..It's a beautiful day..all is good...
how goes it your way?

197 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:48:49am

re: #193 Miss Trixie

{mamawinger}? Is that really you?

Where HAVE you been young lady - I've missed you!

Hello there Miss Trixie! How are you? Thanks sweets - it's nice to be back :)

198 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:51:03am

BTW..I have one bitch..apparently Indiana for the first time since JFK is 'in play' Obama must have got the memo..
Now it's wall to wall tv ads...
I wish to gawd he'd play more than one..the same one..over and over..
I've got it memorized..please help me..I'm watching ESPN and it's like every 10 minutes..'Hi I'm Barak Obama' HELP!
/

199 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:53:53am

re: #196 HoosierHoops

I doing great miss trixie..It's a beautiful day..all is good...
how goes it your way?

We've a loverly late summer day though a tad on the cool side and it's all downhill from here.

Been up since 4:30, wanted to soak in the tub but didn't realize I didn't have a stopper so took an extended shower instead. I've a date with a friend for late brekkie in a couple hours then I have to see if I can buy a pair of closed-toe shoes before winter sets in.

200 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:54:26am

re: #195 akak

Thanks.

Not that I didn't believe you, but one should never be putting up a headline without a link, unless the story is breaking...

201 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:54:33am

re: #194 polo02332

Like the Ch0sen 0ne, next time I start talking gibberish, I'll just point to my eyes and keep nattering on about nothing. Seems to be one of those dark side mind trick things.

202 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:55:28am

re: #197 mama winger

Hello there Miss Trixie! How are you? Thanks sweets - it's nice to be back :)

You're returned to the fold - good news, luv. How's your son and more importantly, how are you? Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?

203 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:57:05am

Good Morning LGF.
Looks like the boat's been pretty much bailed out but the hard (and expensive) part is next - replacing the rotten boards and fixing the leaks.

204 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:57:35am

re: #84 HD Woman

Did any of you guys read this?
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes*. "

What a steamy crock!

*In other words, after cooking the data to produce the demographics the researcher wanted. Reading more deeply, what the researcher failed to realize is that conservative people can recognize evil when they see it, whereas as liberals & leftists look at a Che poster and think he's "Kewl!"

Unintentionally, this study explains how liberals & leftists excuse the crimes of Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Saddam, Kim Jong Il and the Iranian mullahs. They just don't recognize evil when it's staring at them.

205 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:10am

re: #199 Miss Trixie

We've a loverly late summer day though a tad on the cool side and it's all downhill from here.

Been up since 4:30, wanted to soak in the tub but didn't realize I didn't have a stopper so took an extended shower instead. I've a date with a friend for late brekkie in a couple hours then I have to see if I can buy a pair of closed-toe shoes before winter sets in.

We are going shopping later for food and booze..It's my birthday Sunday and everybody is coming over..Mrs. Hoopster is cooking and she will put up with the cigar smoke and loud mouthed buddies while we watch the football game..

206 tappin52  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:16am

Morning everyone. Thanks for the fruit, LoL. I feel healthier already.

207 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:38am

re: #194 polo02332

The Messiah without his telepromter! Pretty Scary! Watch how he points to his eyes to indicate to his handlers that the prompter is down.

[Link: www.southernappeal.org...]

Heh. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! The great and powerful OZ has spoken!

208 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #189 mama winger

Welcome back, we missed you! I hope all is well in your neck of the woods. How's your brave son doing?

209 Geepers  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:59:42am

polo02332 (#194),

That was a while ago. I don't think he was using a TelePrompTer. And that pointing is him attempting to imitate some kid using a breathalyser inhalator.

Regardless, the "great orator" moniker the press has gifted Obama with is one of the most ridiculous things they ever done. He 'um's, 'ah's, 'er's, and gaffs he way through all his unscripted responses.

210 tedzilla99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:01:33am

The Hudsucker Proxy - a fantastic and underrated picture. You know, for kids.

211 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:02:28am

re: #202 Miss Trixie

You're returned to the fold - good news, luv. How's your son and more importantly, how are you? Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?

Little Winger is great ! He's at seminary until he gets re-deployed to Iraq in January. I'm just fine - actually I am just leaving for work. Got to keep those puppies healthy and happy :)

See you later Little Missy, and give my hugs to the wee doggie. :)

212 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:03:22am

re: #204 Kenneth

The study doesn't seem to explain how people can change their beliefs. Typical academic mindset.

213 tappin52  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:05:04am

I've come to the conclusion that an attractive woman who keeps herself in shape after five children, and lives a good, honest life with her decent family, stirs up a lot of guilt in those who have cheated, have been lazy, and have not accomplished what they had the potential to do.

214 Lively  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:05:54am

re: #195 akak

[Link: www.statesman.com...]

From your link:

Mohamed Rage, who leads the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said 80 workers were thrown out after an altercation late Thursday.

Get a load of the Muslim spokeperson's name!

215 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:09:37am

Todd: new
Sarah: new
Todd: clear
Sarah: clear
Todd: new clear
Sarah: new clear
Todd: nuclear
Sarah: nucular
Todd: ......G'night, dear.
Sarah: G'night, hun.

216 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:09:50am

&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday Dear Hoosier &#9836 &#9834
&#9834 &#9836 Happy Birthday to You! &#9836 &#9834

And many mooooooooooooooooore!

:D

217 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:11:30am

Great to see you mama and have a great day. I'll be sure to give Lil Miss your cuddles.

218 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:14:46am

re: #211 mama winger

Mama Winger! Nice to see you.

219 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:16:12am

Let the whining begin.

"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

Pay no attention to the fact that the candidate is an empty suit with George Soros' hand up his ass.

220 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:16:17am
221 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:18:20am

re: #216 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to You ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to You ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday Dear Hoosier ♬ ♪
♪ ♬ Happy Birthday to You! ♬ ♪

And many mooooooooooooooooore!

:D

Thank you Miss Trixie.. I printed that picture out..
that is funny.. :)

222 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:19:39am

Good morning, all.

Looks like somebody actually found lipstick on a pig...

223 NC State of Mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:20:36am

re: #219 The Other Les

Let the whining begin.

"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

Pay no attention to the fact that the candidate is an empty suit with George Soros' hand up his ass.

What about "Racial views steer 99% of blacks to support Obama"
Would it be racist to print that instead?

224 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:20:40am

re: #220 ploome hineni

I am getting anxious just looking at those dangerous pathways

Whoa..me too..what a kewl video

225 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:21:24am

HOOSIER! Try this trick at your birthday dinner for fits and giggles!

:D

226 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:22:27am
227 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:22:56am
228 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:23:51am

re: #225 Miss Trixie

HOOSIER! Try this trick at your birthday dinner for fits and giggles!

:D

LOL
that is great!

229 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:25:01am

re: #222 christheprofessor

Good morning, all.

Looks like somebody actually found lipstick on a pig...

Perfect! LOL.

230 Geepers  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:26:09am

Kenneth (#204),

Lots of scientific jargon, then they reach their scholarly opinion that,
"Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes*. "

More on this from NewsBusted:

Anatomy of a Biased Headline

Let's start with a recent study funded by the National Science Foundation, in which researchers lay claim to this finding:

Some Political Views May be Related to Physiology

Science Magazine's actual headline was similarly non-insulting:

Political Attitudes Vary with Physiological Traits

Seems pretty neutral right? Let's see how the media took that headline and ran with it...

The Toronto Star took words from the very same study, placed then in a hat along with a few other descriptors, shook it up, and out came:

Liberals flinch less, conservatives more, study finds

National Geographic took up the conservatives = cowards theme with their headline:

Conservatives Have Stronger Startle Reflexes?

The Daily Mail went with this gem:

Right-wingers more startled by sudden noises and spiders than liberals, study finds

Sky News decided this would be fair and balanced:

Nervy? You're Probably Right-Wing

ABC News had this to say:

Easily Startled? It Could Reflect Your Politics

Those Who Startle Easily More Likely to Favor Iraq War, New Study Says

Wired Science decided to dispense with the theatrics, and just cut to the heart of their biased viewpoint, flat-out referring to conservatives as ‘scared.'

Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists

Basically just the "press" making shit up to suport their views.

231 Geepers  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:27:22am

Morning ploome.

232 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:27:28am

That dangerous pathway is great. From 5:46 onwards is the fun part.

*sigh*

Life is so great.

233 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:28:13am

re: #219 The Other Les

Let the whining begin.

"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

Pay no attention to the fact that the candidate is an empty suit with George Soros' hand up his ass.

George Soreass. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

234 kansas  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:28:52am

re: #53 TheMatrix31

Lately I've been thinking about what the media would try to uncover about me if I ran for President in 2024.

That would depend on your party affliation. If a Democrat they would uncover your patriotic service, your helping old ladies cross streets, your philanthropic gestures, and your over all God like qualities while not mentioning God.

If a Republican they would just throw shit in every direction, you child molestor.

235 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:29:22am

re: #233 sparrowlake

George Soreass. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Woulnd't Obama be the one with a sore--never mind.

Good morning, Lizards!

236 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:30:18am

{Goddess}
Good Morning..

237 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:33:18am

re: #236 HoosierHoops

{Goddess}
Good Morning..

{HoosierHoops}!

Happy birthday! I hope it's a wonderful day for you.

238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:33:20am
239 kansas  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:33:25am

re: #104 SouthAmericanWay

Please, send this to all your undecided friends, relatives, colleagues.

It may have already been posted, but it is worth repeating: a non-conservative undecided economics professor analyzed both candidates for The Atlantic and decided for McCAIN.

His conclusion? OBAMA would mean more of the wrong kind of economic policies... I kid you not: great article.

Unfortunately it won't be on BET or Telemundo, or MSBNC or ABC for that matter.

240 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:34:58am

re: #222 christheprofessor

Good morning, all.

Looks like somebody actually found lipstick on a pig...

Hi {CTP}

Luckily that 'pig" lives over there and not here - thankfully!

241 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #235 goddessoftheclassroom

Woulnd't Obama be the one with a sore--never mind.

Good morning, Lizards!

Good morning, teach!
And nah, after the first thousand times....never mind.

242 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:35:22am
243 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:36:10am

re: #225 Miss Trixie

HOOSIER! Try this trick at your birthday dinner for fits and giggles!

:D

HAHA! Miss Trixie, might steal that one and try it at work :-)

244 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:37:14am

re: #242 ploome hineni

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.

It is better to be feared than loved...

245 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:38:39am

This, however, is just plain crazy.

246 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:39:34am

re: #238 ploome hineni

A ridiculous spectacle. Biden, meet cliff.

247 kansas  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:39:54am

re: #242 ploome hineni

Preachin to the choir. Hey, I was thinkin since Bill Clinton left us with that imaginary surplus, that the minute Obama is elected maybe he's right, the seas will part, the global temp will go down, the economy will improve and the war will end. What he means is, the media will stop slinging shit and just print only positives. Can you even imagine the next 4 years of Palin bashing? Depressing actually.

248 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:40:11am

re: #22 Moe Katz

You play an antique? Does it have ivory keys?

249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:40:50am
250 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:41:41am

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.

It is better to be feared than loved...

Hi there!

Agree totally - just about everything hinges on the value of your $

251 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:42:22am

re: #233 sparrowlake

Is that something like being 'fisked'?

252 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:42:53am

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.

It is better to be feared thand loved...


/first time I've ever corrected a teachers paper.. :)

253 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:43:02am

re: #249 ploome hineni

Used to be, attempted guilt-tripping like that was part of the schtick.

254 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:43:48am

re: #252 HoosierHoops

/first time I've ever corrected a teachers paper.. :)

Machiavelli would not be pleased!

255 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:44:07am

re: #235 goddessoftheclassroom

thump thump thump thump thump

256 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:44:33am
I like Sen. Obama very much. I have met him. He is a very intelligent man.

Oh, bullshit.

257 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:46:31am
258 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:47:21am
So put forward the arguments and demonstrations, Simplicio - either yours or Aristotle's - but not just texts and bare authorities, because our discourses must relate to the sensible world and not to one on paper.

Galileo, The Dialogue

259 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:49:31am
260 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:49:59am
261 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:50:27am
262 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:08am

re: #260 ploome hineni

or doI have to go downstairs and make it myself?

(wahhhhhhhhhhhhh)

There is a pot of Sumatra on..Cream and sugar?

263 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #259 ploome hineni

anyone making coffee?

I've got some right here!

Cup of nice, strong dark roast!

May I serve you?

264 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:36am

Arrr, maties, finished my morning chores. I am grooving to Pandora now. If you are into music give it a shot. I ran into it about a year ago while tracking down streaming audio users. Very cool....

265 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:52:48am

re: #257 ploome hineni

Cf. Acton.

Keep the tar and feathers handy. The good people don't make headlines. When they do, they shine and make the roaches run for cover. We hear the usual shrieking from the damned, whose very nature it is to project.

266 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:53:36am
267 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:53:41am

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Murdoch raises a point I hadn't considered: the "rest of the world" can gripe all it wants about us, but if the dollar gets into serious, long-term trouble, the world will REALLY be ticked.
It is better to be feared than loved...

America is the envy of virtually the entire world. And it's very difficult to love someone you envy. I don't know if fear is better than love, but it is definitely necessary to be feared in this fucked up world.

268 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:53:52am

re: #263 reine.de.tout

I've got some right here!

Cup of nice, strong dark roast!

May I serve you?

Here.

269 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:54:15am

re: #264 loflyer

Arrr, maties, finished my morning chores. I am grooving to Pandora now. If you are into music give it a shot. I ran into it about a year ago while tracking down streaming audio users. Very cool....

Talk like a pirate day ended yesterday. Please.

270 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:54:47am

Oh no, it's "pirate day" again?

271 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:18am

Reine! Things drying out?

272 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:25am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that [T]hugo is busy being thuggish and doesn't want people looking over his shoulders to see what he's been up to. He expelled two HRW workers, saying that they were in cahoots with the US. Right... he just doesn't want anyone getting in the way of his socialist plans for the country and restricting criticism is just one part of that.

Funny, then, is seeing Charlie Rangel attempting to turn the situation around and blame those investigating or prying deeper into his tax mess, saying that he's paid his back taxes (and I call BS on that because he's only paid the amounts claimed to be owed for the Punta Cana villa only - not all the other taxes evaded from unreported sales of homes, rental income, imputed income, etc.) and that settles things (and yes, you can be assured that's a whole lot more than $10k in taxes owed).

273 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:25am
274 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:55:33am

re: #269 reine.de.tout

Talk like a pirate day ended yesterday. Please.

Haar! I am into it! Humor me. It's fun....

275 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:56:23am

re: #269 reine.de.tout

LOL. That was Lo, Flyer.

276 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:19am

{reine}
how is the new stove..What did you cook first?

277 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:19am

re: #271 godfrey

Reine! Things drying out?

Yes, indeedy!
How are you?

278 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:43am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (56 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

279 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:57:46am
280 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:06am

re: #276 HoosierHoops

{reine}
how is the new stove..What did you cook first?

The new stove is a thing of beauty, truly. Ceramic glass top, it's beautiful.

1st thing - a hamburger (for the dog).

281 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:32am

re: #278 realwest

Good, Real. I'm about ready for my - morning nap! LOL.

282 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:37am
283 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:58:57am

re: #272 lawhawk

I expect thugs like Chavez to seize the reins once in a while. It seems endemic. What really saddens me is how easily the tender-minded allow his reign to abuse them, mentally. They are so easily attracted to "strong men," fuhrers, thugs, that, if the latter just say the right things, make the right noises about "economic justice" &c., the tender-minded will just roll right over, get that glassy smile, and let themselves be thoroughly rogered.

284 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:59:28am

re: #272 lawhawk

I blame Bush!
/

285 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:59:29am

{realwest} Morning, hunnie *smoochie* So glad you've arrived - I was just on my way out the door in a couple of minutes.

286 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 5:59:52am

re: #282 ploome hineni

ahhhhh

thanks touts, made on the new stove?

:)


Aw, no. In the Krups coffeemaker.

New stove cooked a hamburger for the dog. Not good for him, but he was feeling a little low so he got a treat.

287 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:28am

re: #278 realwest

Hiya real. Things sunny here, too. I should probably get out there and enjoy it.

Reine, I'm doing fine, thanks!

/off to the farmer's market

288 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:38am

re: #273 ploome hineni

I would have offered you some of my coffee when you first came on about it, but I was in my SockPuppy disguise, waiting for goddess.

/frustration ... being a sock isn't all fun and games

289 joan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:52am

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Really wonderful and heartening essay

290 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:00:53am

re: #278 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (56 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Yaar, morning Real! A beautiful day in ATL! I am still in pirate mode, much to the disgust of my fellow lizards. I'll get over it.
/maybe not...

291 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:01:45am

re: #290 loflyer

Yaar, morning Real! A beautiful day in ATL! I am still in pirate mode, much to the disgust of my fellow lizards. I'll get over it.
/maybe not...

Prolly only me.

292 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:02:03am

re: #279 goddessoftheclassroom

If Machiavelli were a cat

DAMN, I'm sure glad I'd swallowed that mouthful of coffee!

293 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:02:20am

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

294 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:02:45am

re: #291 reine.de.tout

Prolly only me.

Mate, they usually crap on me shoulder....

295 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:03:01am

re: #258 godfrey

So put forward the arguments and demonstrations, Simplicio - either yours or Aristotle's - but not just texts and bare authorities, because our discourses must relate to the sensible world and not to one on paper.
Galileo, The Dialogue

Hi, and great quote!

Perfect to give to man made GW believers to think about

296 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:03:04am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

Yikes!

*thump*

297 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:03:04am

re: #288 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I would have offered you some of my coffee when you first came on about it, but I was in my SockPuppy disguise, waiting for goddess.

/frustration ... being a sock isn't all fun and games

I want a sock puppy!
/not sure why..but everybody else has one..
Cheap to feed and hopefully you never need to clean up after it.

298 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:04:33am

re: #283 godfrey

Indeed. Chavez talks in terms of populism and demagoguery, but the end result is to accumulate power while the public loses. It's little more than a power grab, or the end of democracy under thunderous applause.

299 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:04:53am

re: #280 reine.de.tout

The new stove is a thing of beauty, truly. Ceramic glass top, it's beautiful.

1st thing - a hamburger (for the dog).

You cook hamburgers for your dog?!? WOW!
I'll get back into SockPuppy mode and be right over!

300 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:05:06am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

Oh, I'm glad (well, sort of) those days are over for me.

At that age, it seems like young Reine and her friends had no idea that I had ears and the sense of hearing. They would talk and talk and talk and if I had the sense to keep my mouth shut, they would keep talking, and I would hear everything that was going on

301 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:05:53am

re: #299 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You cook hamburgers for your dog?!? WOW!
I'll get back into SockPuppy mode and be right over!

hee-hee.
and the cats get to split a can of tuna every day. Tuna - Cocaine For Cats.

302 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:23am

re: #278 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (56 degrees, going up to 77 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Hi {darls}

I'm baaaaack....no more just lurking around for me!

303 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:29am

re: #297 HoosierHoops

I want a sock puppy!
/not sure why..but everybody else has one..
Cheap to feed and hopefully you never need to clean up after it.

You just haven't seen the carpet in here.

304 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:54am

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Oh, I'm glad (well, sort of) those days are over for me.

At that age, it seems like young Reine and her friends had no idea that I had ears and the sense of hearing. They would talk and talk and talk and if I had the sense to keep my mouth shut, they would keep talking, and I would hear everything that was going on

Listening to boys is HILARIOUS! I'm just thankful they aren't spending the night.

305 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:06:55am

I'm out - have a great day everyone. :D

306 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #278 realwest

And a fine morning back to you! The animals woke me up early, so I got to see a spectacular sunrise (apparently courtesy of the Kasatochi volcano in the Aleutians) and now they're back to sleep and I'm not. Finishing my coffee, and then...chores. Hope you're feeling well.

307 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:07:10am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

{realwest}

Marathon day ahead, with 8 12-13 year-olds over from 2-9 for Baby Lizard's birthday...

WOW! Hang tough.
MWAH!

308 drpangloss  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:07:54am

is THIS the BIGGEST financial crisis since the 1930s?

experts, opine.

just because NPR says so, means it aint so

309 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:08:08am

re: #301 reine.de.tout

hee-hee.
and the cats get to split a can of tuna every day. Tuna - Cocaine For Cats.

Arrrr, I love my dogs, but I don't cook for 'em, the best they get are those "beggin' strips". They love me for some reason I don't understand....

310 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:09:06am

re: #281 Cap'n DOC
Hey Cap'n DOC - me too! LOL! I'm ok, just really tired, but I've got one cuppa coffee in me and no way I can nap now!

311 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:09:48am

re: #301 reine.de.tout

Tuna - Cocaine For Cats

ROFLMAO

Had a cat in the distant past. When a chicken was brought home from the supermarket, the cat glued herself to the kitchen floor. She knew the neck was hers.

312 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:09:54am

re: #309 loflyer

Arrrr, I love my dogs, but I don't cook for 'em, the best they get are those "beggin' strips". They love me for some reason I don't understand....

Dogs are like that.
Cats, on the other hand . . . I love my cats, but even the tuna isn't enough to keep 'em from getting pissy with me.

313 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:10:21am

re: #285 {Miss Trixie}
Good morning gorgeous and *smooch* back to ya - where are you going so early on a Saturday - not work I hope?

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:10:51am

re: #310 realwest

Good morning!

315 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:11:33am

re: #311 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO

Had a cat in the distant past. When a chicken was brought home from the supermarket, the cat glued herself to the kitchen floor. She knew the neck was hers.

When it's "tuna time", the cats all know it, and if I'm late getting it to them, they actually tell me "It's Time Now!".

The oldest one will start beating on the window with her head, and then all four of them will sit on the porch, in front of the door, staring at the front door.

316 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:11:55am

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Dogs are like that.
Cats, on the other hand . . . I love my cats, but even the tuna isn't enough to keep 'em from getting pissy with me.


That doesn't mean they don't love you!

317 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:09am

re: #290 loflyer
Yaar yourownself - stop this silly pirate talk now, loflyer - I don't think I can deal with it just yet - I'm too awake to go back to sleep, but not awake enough for pirate talk! LOL!

318 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:32am

re: #316 goddessoftheclassroom

That doesn't mean they don't love you!

Great photo! Yes, we have moments like that, too.

319 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:46am

re: #317 realwest

Yaar yourownself - stop this silly pirate talk now, loflyer - I don't think I can deal with it just yet - I'm too awake to go back to sleep, but not awake enough for pirate talk! LOL!

THANK YOU!

320 Armywife  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:12:54am

Ok animal lovers on board - I need potty training help. Not for me, but for the chihuahuas. They just don't care about going outside. I made their pen smaller for the times I am not home, that worked for about a week, then nope! They are 1.5 years old, as cute as can be, but this is getting ridiculous! I am thinking doggie door next, but the issue there is one thinks if he gets to the deck, that is good enough! I need a dog trainer that they can go live with for a week or so and come back potty trained.

I told my German shepherd No once when she was a puppy, hasn't had an accident since...

321 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:13:45am

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Dogs are like that.
Cats, on the other hand . . . I love my cats, but even the tuna isn't enough to keep 'em from getting pissy with me.

Matey, I am more of a cat person than dogs. The dogs are left from a failed marriage, my ex thought the dogs would help me through the divorce, she was right, and I dearly love the little guys....
/Arrrrrr

322 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:15:12am

re: #317 realwest

Yaar yourownself - stop this silly pirate talk now, loflyer - I don't think I can deal with it just yet - I'm too awake to go back to sleep, but not awake enough for pirate talk! LOL!

I'll try to oblige, but the concept is so fun! It's pointless and silly. What's to not like about it, shipmate!

323 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:15:13am

re: #320 Armywife

Ok animal lovers on board - I need potty training help. Not for me, but for the chihuahuas. They just don't care about going outside. I made their pen smaller for the times I am not home, that worked for about a week, then nope! They are 1.5 years old, as cute as can be, but this is getting ridiculous! I am thinking doggie door next, but the issue there is one thinks if he gets to the deck, that is good enough! I need a dog trainer that they can go live with for a week or so and come back potty trained.

I told my German shepherd No once when she was a puppy, hasn't had an accident since...

Army wife - my dog is part chihuahua, part terrier. Had a similar problem.
We got some of those doggie-pads you can put on the floor. They are treated somehow to attract the dog. These have worked well.
We made sure we took him out for a walk several times a day - now we don't need the doggie-pads anymore, he sort of "trained" himself to like the outside better. It took awhile, but the doggie-pads really made life a lot easier while we waited.

324 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:15:48am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom {goddesss} oy, I don't know how you can survive having EIGHT 12-13 year old boys over for that long! GACK! Do you have some back up help - I mean any other mom's coming over to help keep you from losing your mind?!
And how old is your baby lizard today? Tell 'em I said Happy Birthday!
I HONESTLY don't know how you can deal with 8 of 'em at one time.
Good luck {goddess}!

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:16:56am
326 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:17:19am

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

327 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:17:55am

re: #301 reine.de.tout
Hey, good morning reine! I hope you've got lots of hamburger meat cause I suspect a lot of us lizards are headed your way and we're they're hungry, too! LOL!

328 Armywife  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:18:28am

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Looks like that is a route we will need to take. Especially as winter comes upon us, I am not sure they will let themselves out if its too cold.

329 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:12am

re: #302 aussiemagpie

Hey good evening to you Lil Roo! Glad to see you out here again! Where've you been and watcha been up to?

330 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:15am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

It doesn't always happen that the US changes to the opposite party in times of trouble, and I am hoping it doesn't happen this time.

Only 1/2 the US electorate is crazy. When you look at the "popular" vote count during presidential elections, it is often very close - 49%/51%.

331 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:31am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

No we aren't. Our facken' media is in love with the bilge-rat and that is what everyone see's on the tube. Stick to the Internet if you want to know what is really going.

332 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:19:55am

re: #321 loflyer

Then in honor of your cats, a suitably salty salutation found in just about every one of A. Bertram Chandler's novels: "Come In. This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!" Feel free to add the Arrrrs.

333 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:23am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

Hi fellow Aussie!

I'm hoping we don't stick with the incumbent in 2010 when we we're going down the gurgler!

334 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:25am

re: #306 Pullus Iulius
Morning! Uh, what animals and how come you're letting THEM go back to sleep when they woke you up and you CAN'T go back to sleep?!?

335 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:33am

re: #327 realwest

Hey, good morning reine! I hope you've got lots of hamburger meat cause I suspect a lot of us lizards are headed your way and we're they're hungry, too! LOL!

Well, great! I'm going to bake a cake today. It will be nice to see what happens when I can bake a cake - my old stove could only "broil" for years. Broiled cakes are strange.

336 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:40am

re: #326 Crux Australis

Is the US so stupid and blind?


an embarrassingly large part of it is, yes.

337 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:20:46am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

Two words..
Jimmy Carter

338 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:21:09am

re: #328 Armywife

Looks like that is a route we will need to take. Especially as winter comes upon us, I am not sure they will let themselves out if its too cold.

The pads really do work.

339 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:21:18am

re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cats take
Dogs give
(already sent, but so VERY appropriate)

I leave you with this

Baby Lizard turned 13 on Tuesday. We're off to Wal-Mart for Nerf bullets...


I will try to report later after I barricade myself in the study...

340 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:21:26am

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat Good morning to you, too! How are ya today?!

341 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:22:05am

If only LGF had a grammar checker. My last post?!?!?!?!crazy

342 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:22:35am

re: #339 goddessoftheclassroom

I leave you with this

Baby Lizard turned 13 on Tuesday. We're off to Wal-Mart for Nerf bullets...


I will try to report later after I barricade myself in the study...

Goddess - you also might think about disabling all of the locks in the house. Boys seem to be able to lock themselves into places and not get out (3 younger brothers, I am familiar with boys).

343 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:22:59am

re: #332 Pullus Iulius

Then in honor of your cats, a suitably salty salutation found in just about every one of A. Bertram Chandler's novels: "Come In. This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!" Feel free to add the Arrrrs.

Don't let the "cat out of the bag" matey, it can come to haunt you...Hopefully I will stride through the Liberty hall some day.....

344 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:24:44am

re: #329 realwest

Hey good evening to you Lil Roo! Glad to see you out here again! Where've you been and watcha been up to?

Hi darls

it's been a glorious spring day here in Sydney and we had a lovely lunch at a local club - and Julie was there too - she's doing so well now - and not one trip to hospital since March last year!

My son is now in Hawaii - they'll be back tomorrow night after 4 wonderful weeks in the US - they LOVED it and now I'm a bit worried that they might move there...

They were really happy to have met a few of my LGF friends in Cleveland and New Jersey too

345 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:25:11am

re: #334 realwest

Morning! Uh, what animals and how come you're letting THEM go back to sleep when they woke you up and you CAN'T go back to sleep?!?

Two cats. A Provident Lord gave them the whole world to use for a cat bed. He gave Adam coffee. We got the better half of the deal, which is why they're sleeping and I'm up.

346 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:25:42am

re: #333 aussiemagpie
Hey {Aussiemagpie} - a "gurgler"?!? Wow, you guys are sorta like the Brits (don't hit me!) you sorta speak english, but not really! LOL!
Serioulsy I can guess at "gurgler" but try to stick to english next time, m'kay?!

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:25:49am

re: #326 Crux Australis

I have a question.

Why does the the electorate in the United States change to the opposite Party in times of trouble whereas in Australia we stick to the incumbent?

Is it an over-generalization or is there truth in it.

The US electorate has got to be crazy to believe that Obama has any idea how to manage the economy. Is the US so stupid and blind?

You mean like you stuck with Howard?
(sorry, that was a low blow)

The problem is that both times and mentality have changed. America tends (tends) to be more self-centered now. I was born during WWII. We were simply different then.

348 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:26:30am
349 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:26:39am

re: #264 loflyer

Arrr, maties, finished my morning chores. I am grooving to Pandora now. If you are into music give it a shot. I ran into it about a year ago while tracking down streaming audio users. Very cool....

I'm "not into music", but I typed in Jorma Kaukonen just for drill.
I'm into music now.
Thanks for the link!

350 loflyer  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:00am

BBL mates, or G'day to the Aussies...

351 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:15am

re: #346 realwest

Hey {Aussiemagpie} - a "gurgler"?!? Wow, you guys are sorta like the Brits (don't hit me!) you sorta speak english, but not really! LOL!
Serioulsy I can guess at "gurgler" but try to stick to english next time, m'kay?!


LOL! I'll get my translator ready for the next post :-)

352 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:34am

re: #335 reine.de.tout
Broiled cakes are strange? LOL and ROFL! I didn't even know you COULD broil a cake!
And hey, what's with the bitching about loflyer's talking like a pirate and then updinging him, hmmm?
;')

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:27:52am

re: #339 goddessoftheclassroom

I leave you with this

Baby Lizard turned 13 on Tuesday. We're off to Wal-Mart for Nerf bullets...

I will try to report later after I barricade myself in the study...

that's a huge AWWWWWWWWWWWW moment!

Stop by the sporting goods store and pick up a shotgun.

354 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:28:26am

re: #350 loflyer

BBL mates, or G'day to the Aussies...

G'day and see you later!

355 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:28:47am

Good morning Lizards..... morning real.....

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:33am

re: #340 realwest

Good morning to you, too! How are ya today?!

Doing fine. Going out to get a haircut later, so I'll get absolutely light-headed before the day's over.

357 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:43am

re: #341 Crux Australis

If you're using firefox, there's a built in spell checker, which highlights misspelled or unknown words. Very helpful, especially when blogging. :)

358 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:51am

re: #333 aussiemagpie

Hi fellow Aussie!

I'm hoping we don't stick with the incumbent in 2010 when we we're going down the gurgler!

I think Australia is a portent of what's to come if Obama wins the election in November.

The Labor Party in Australia is a "do nothing" party the same as the US House and Senate Democrats. Australia is slowly but surely headed for a huge fail. It's only China buying up Australia's natural resources that's keeping our head above water.

359 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:29:59am

re: #349 jwb7605

I'm "not into music", but I typed in Jorma Kaukonen just for drill.
I'm into music now.
Thanks for the link!

Cough cough.... But have you clicked my nic?

360 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:30:20am

re: #345 Pullus Iulius
Uh, "We got the better half of the deal, which is why they're sleeping and I'm up."
So how does that mean WE got the better half of the deal (he says looking at his bed wistfully!)?

361 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:31:50am

re: #355 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - no work today?! And yet you're still up and on LGF!

362 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:31:56am

re: #360 realwest

Uh, "We got the better half of the deal, which is why they're sleeping and I'm up."
So how does that mean WE got the better half of the deal (he says looking at his bed wistfully!)?

Whats with retired people staying in bed all danged day long anyway?

363 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:25am

BBIAM!

364 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:26am

re: #361 realwest

Good morning dorian - no work today?! And yet you're still up and on LGF!

Ummm, actually I do have to work today.... grump grump.....

365 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:30am

re: #349 jwb7605

I've been listening to the new Metallica album. Much improved over their past three releases (load, reload, and st. anger). It's easily their best release since the black album, although it doesn't exactly have a radio friendly track - because the songs are all over 4 minutes (and many of the songs are quite intricate in their musical arrangements).

366 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:32:50am

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Well, great! I'm going to bake a cake today. It will be nice to see what happens when I can bake a cake - my old stove could only "broil" for years. Broiled cakes are strange.

(coming from Dallas) I'm already past Tyler, galloping like mad, heading for the state line.

367 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:33:52am

re: #348 ploome hineni

I have read that dogs should not eat fish, and yet isn;t that what they feed the Iditerod dogs in Alaska?

I think it's the fish bones that are a problem for dogs. If the bones are removed, fish is OK. I know my dog likes the tuna as much as the cats do.

Here is a page: Toxic Food and Plants for Dogs

368 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:34:02am

So, for those following the Rangel mess, I've posted new updates. He paid tax, but only one portion of undeclared income. There's lots more of where that came from, and we're not even talking penalties and interest imposed by the IRS or NYS. Yet, Rangel would have you believe that it's the GOPs fault for the mess he's in.

Sorry Charlie. You are a tax cheat and crook.

369 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:35:34am

re: #352 realwest

Broiled cakes are strange? LOL and ROFL! I didn't even know you COULD broil a cake!
And hey, what's with the bitching about loflyer's talking like a pirate and then updinging him, hmmm?
;')

I shall upding who I want, for any reason. I think loflyer's funny.

370 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:35:39am

re: #368 lawhawk

Sorry Charlie. You are a tax cheat and crook.

And a sleaze bag politician to boot....

371 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:39:09am

re: #368 lawhawk
Hey good morning lawhawk - boy, I have to say I admire the way you've stayed on Rangel's case over all this - that S.O.B. ought to AT LEAST have his comittee chairmanship yanked by Pelosi but after all, this is a Democratic Lefty we're talking about, so short of an axe-murder with CCTV and 11 witnessess, the party will not hurt him.

372 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:39:55am

re: #369 reine.de.tout
OK, OK, OK! No reason to get snippy you, you cake broiler you!

373 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:39:58am

Published: September 19, 2008 - 9:34 PM
A reader sent this link to an exclusive CBS 2 HD report that says Democrats threatened the tax exempt status of Jewish organizations involved in the rally if they didn't pull Sarah Palin's invitation:

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats...The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, "it could jeopardize their tax exempt status" if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.
So all politicians were disinvited, most prominently, Palin.

"It's an absolute shame that this has happened," Hikind said. "To threaten organizations ... to threaten the Conference of Presidents that if you don't withdraw the invitation to Gov. Palin we're going to look into your tax exempt status ... that's McCarthyism."

Another Jewish group tried to step into the breach by inviting Palin to a different protest a day earlier.

"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats," said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

374 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:09am

re: #368 lawhawk

So, for those following the Rangel mess, I've posted new updates. He paid tax, but only one portion of undeclared income. There's lots more of where that came from, and we're not even talking penalties and interest imposed by the IRS or NYS. Yet, Rangel would have you believe that it's the GOPs fault for the mess he's in.

Sorry Charlie. You are a tax cheat and crook.

Does Charlie have a large freezer in any of those apartments he's renting?

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:20am

re: #362 doriangrey

Whats with retired people staying in bed all danged day long anyway?

It is the natural order of things for the younger generations to wait hand and foot upon their elders, so quit whining. Two over easy. Bacon. English muffin and marmalade. The tray's under the cabinet across from the sink. And don't forget the linen napkin.

376 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:40:32am

re: #372 realwest

OK, OK, OK! No reason to get snippy you, you cake broiler you!

And an upding for you!

377 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:41:27am

re: #362 doriangrey

Whats with retired people staying in bed all danged day long anyway?

Yo! I'm retired, and I still get up at about the same time I used to!

378 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:42:43am

re: #364 doriangrey
Hmm, obviously you don't need to get to work as early as you usually do, though.
That or you are really LATE! LOL!

379 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:43:45am

Ah, the early morning idle chit-chat and banter has been so nice! Thank you all for a pleasant morning, but life is calling now.

I hope everyone has a great day!

380 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:44:03am

Good Morning Dorian..Grab a cup of sumatra before work..
Too bad you can't pry yourself away from paradise..It's my birthday sunday..huge party...
We need some live music..

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:44:10am

re: #379 reine.de.tout

Ah, the early morning idle chit-chat and banter has been so nice! Thank you all for a pleasant morning, but life is calling now.

I hope everyone has a great day!

Have a great one!

382 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:45:16am

re: #373 yah
Interesting report - oh and good morning to you! - I loved this part: "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
Geez, we're glad to have you, even if you are AT LEAST 30 YEARS LATE, ya dimwit!

383 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:45:46am

Mornin' Lizards!

Any hatchlings around? This lizard needs a cup of coffee, very hot (don't worry I don't sue) very black.

*drums fingers on the LGF Diner counter waiting*

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:45:56am

re: #380 HoosierHoops

If I don't see you tomorrow ... Happy Birthday!

385 Karridine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:04am

re: #349 jwb7605

Jorma played with the early Jefferson Airplane... (and -without looking at Google- Hot Tuna, I thimk) and is an excellent musician, JW

386 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:13am

re: #360 realwest

Love me my coffee. Hot or cold, fresh or Navy-style, it's my fuel. Of course, there were times in my callow youth when sleeping on the rug like the cats seemed like the right thing to do. But that's another story.

387 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:16am

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat YES! That's what I'm talking about! More more more! LOL!

388 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:38am

re: #326 Crux Australis

It depends on whether the "trouble" can be credibly pinned on the incumbent political party or President. (I use "credibly" to suggest opposition political attacks that are effective, not necessarily truthful.)

The U.S. electorate seems to blame a bad economy on the incumbent President, although the President's ability to affect the economy is limited. War-related troubles are somewhat different. FDR was re-elected repeatedly during both the Great Depression (successfully blamed on the Republicans), and the Second World War, which FDR provoked in some ways by cutting off shipments of scrap steel to the Japanese war machine, for example, and giving the British military help through "lend-lease". (In retrospect, FDR's New Deal economic recovery program was a failure, but we applaud him for taking on the Axis powers before and during WWII).

This year, Bush isn't up for re-election, so McCain can break from him to some extent. The Administration mismanaged the Iraq War for several years, but General Petraeus seems to have stabilized the situation and reduced the violence significantly. And of course, there are the current economic gyrations, due largely to the "chickens (bad home mortgage loans enabled by bad government policies and bad government agencies) coming home to roost".

It's quite clear that Democrats enacted policies forcing and encouraging more lending to poor people who couldn't repay the loans, and many Republicans went along with it. Wall Street created a major industry of bundling these loans, and reselling them at huge profits both domestically and overseas. So there's plenty of blame to go around.

At the moment, the crisis is serious enough that unity will be required to muddle through it. Too much finger pointing and partisan rancor likely could derail a rescue, and take down the global financial system, which is why the Administration is avoiding it.

389 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:46:39am

re: #383 jcm

Mornin' Lizards!

Any hatchlings around? This lizard needs a cup of coffee, very hot (don't worry I don't sue) very black.

*drums fingers on the LGF Diner counter waiting*

You can have this one. It's instant, but it just came out of the microwave.

390 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:09am

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It is the natural order of things for the younger generations to wait hand and foot upon their elders, so quit whining. Two over easy. Bacon. English muffin and marmalade. The tray's under the cabinet across from the sink. And don't forget the linen napkin.

You aint that much older than me, so get your own danged breakfast.... ;p

391 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:29am

re: #379 reine.de.tout
So long reine! Have a great day and don't forget you've got a new stove and start to broil cakes again! LOL!
Unless it's an acquired taste, I mean!

392 aussiemagpie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:40am

re: #358 Crux Australis

I think Australia is a portent of what's to come if Obama wins the election in November.

The Labor Party in Australia is a "do nothing" party the same as the US House and Senate Democrats. Australia is slowly but surely headed for a huge fail. It's only China buying up Australia's natural resources that's keeping our head above water.

So true, and I've despaired since last November's election

However there is hope..... lefty lawyer Mr Aussiemagpie who is a rusted on Labor man agrees Rudd is a Dudd


Prime Minister Rudd - Mr Symbolism Mk1
Senator Obama - Mr Symbolism Mk11

393 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:47:43am

re: #378 realwest

Hmm, obviously you don't need to get to work as early as you usually do, though.
That or you are really LATE! LOL!

Nope, dont have to be there till 8am....

394 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:48:43am

re: #387 realwest

YES! That's what I'm talking about! More more more! LOL!

However, you will notice that Dorian's being very VERY silent.

/kids nowadays! SHEESH!

395 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:49:02am

re: #383 jcm
Uh, good morning jcm - don't know how to tell ya this, but you're gonna have to either make your own coffee or go to dunkin' donuts for some coffee, no hatchlings that I spied this morning!

396 Luigi  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:49:22am

Precision in journalism...

[Link: news.google.com...]

Government asks Congress for $700B for bailout
KPSP, CA - 5 minutes ago
It also would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion - making room for the massive rescue. ...
Washington rushes to negotiate financial rescue

Daily Mail - Charleston, WV - 6 minutes ago
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS AP Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- A half-trillion dollar bailout that the Bush administration and Congress are negotiating this weekend ...

Rescue plan starts at $700 billion
Politico, DC - 11 minutes ago
With earlier takeovers and bailouts, the mortgage crisis now puts US taxpayers on the hook for well more than $1 trillion. The proposal, which Congress ...

Paulson's Bail-Out: No New Jobs
24/7 Wall St., NY - 15 minutes ago
It comes with a $1 trillion checking account which the government will use to buy bad assets from banks. It is not clear which firms will make it onto the ...

There Are No Conservatives in Foxholes
Kansas City Star, MO - 18 minutes ago
Of course, all the help is going to bail out big business. When it's all counted, the taxpayer may pay a trillion dollars or more. ...

Bush offers $500 billion bailout
Minneapolis Star Tribune, MN - 19 minutes ago
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the upfront cost of the proposal could easily be $500 billion and experts predicted that it could reach $1 trillion. ...

Dow Surges 368 Points Amid 2-Day Rally Fueled By Government Rescue ...
CBS News, NY - 20 minutes ago
Though no hard and fast figure for the bailout has been mentioned, CBS News correspondent Anthony Mason notes that some are saying half a trillion dollars ...

Stock Markets Soar on Financial System Bailout
AOL Canada, Canada - 27 minutes ago
The ranking Republican on the committee, Senator Richard Shelby, said the new bailout plan could cost at least half a trillion dollars. ...

Conrad Black: Lessons to learn from Wall Street's week of no return
National Post, Canada - 33 minutes ago
The US GDP of $13-trillion is about half composed of worthless and non-productive effort, which yet engages the efforts of a large number of very skilled ...

Credit Crunch Videos
Sky News, UK - 37 minutes ago
Analysts say the US government's rescue package for its financial sector could cost as much as one trillion dollars. The funds are likely to come from the ...

Hundred billion here, hundred billion there, and pretty soon we're talking about real money.

397 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:50:15am

re: #371 realwest

Hey, if the Democrats are going to cover for Rangel, the least the GOP can do is give the Democrats a proper sendoff - by highlighting Rangel at every turn.

After all, Rangel thinks this is all a GOP plot to get him and the Democrats.

Why not let the GOP flex its muscle and push this matter to the November election - showing just how unserious the Democrats are about taxes and ethics.

398 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:50:21am

re: #380 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian..Grab a cup of sumatra before work..
Too bad you can't pry yourself away from paradise..It's my birthday sunday..huge party...
We need some live music..

Sumatra.... Mmmmmm..... and for the live music, may I suggest my very own "Live and Fully Baked"....... Heh heh heh.... you did ask for live music..... ;p

399 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:50:52am

re: #389 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can have this one. It's instant, but it just came out of the microwave.

*glare*

Saltwater coffee sounds better!

;-P

400 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:08am
re: #390 doriangrey

You aint that much older than me, so get your own danged breakfast.... ;p

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

However, you will notice that Dorian's being very VERY silent.

/kids nowadays! SHEESH!

Oops, the kid showed up.

401 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:19am

re: #390 doriangrey
Well hell I'm THAT MUCH older than you, so you can, ah, er,
nevermind.

402 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

However, you will notice that Dorian's being very VERY silent.

/kids nowadays! SHEESH!

cough #390 cough.....

403 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:51:45am

Good Morning all. Looks like Summers last gasp this weekend.
A poster on a thread yesterday theorized that Obama is a sleeper.
A willing , trained sleeper placed here to achieve the highest office that he can achieve.
I am not really in to conspiracy theories , bit the guy did not sound paranoid
It is disturbing that accounts of his college Palestinian roommate & associations have fallen down the memory hole along with his trip to Pakistan. He will not discuss it & the roommate is unavailable.
Proves nothing, but very odd.

404 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:52:11am

re: #359 doriangrey

Cough cough.... But have you clicked my nic?

Just did ... seriously bad connection speed, though, I get the "skipping record" effect.
No offense, but I'm into Bluegrass (and derivatives) with acoustic guitars.

405 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:52:32am

re: #401 realwest

Well hell I'm THAT MUCH older than you, so you can, ah, er,
nevermind.

Define that much counselor..... I'm 47, your what 55?

406 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:52:52am

re: #396 Luigi

The fact is that no one knows just how much it will cost because bad debt is being created every day, and the companies don't know how much their own losses are, so how can the feds possibly know.

The markets jumped for joy when the feds bailed them out precisely because they don't have to cover their own losses any more. Someone else gets to handle the risk of loss from stupid business decisions and government interference (pushing for lenders to lend money to those who could not repay and destabilizing the market by increasing the number of buyers - pushing home prices up at a time when the markets were going into a bubble).

407 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:53:15am

re: #382 realwest

Interesting report - oh and good morning to you! - I loved this part: "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
Geez, we're glad to have you, even if you are AT LEAST 30 YEARS LATE, ya dimwit!

Good Morning Real, you wordsmith you.

408 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:53:31am

re: #404 jwb7605

Just did ... seriously bad connection speed, though, I get the "skipping record" effect.
No offense, but I'm into Bluegrass (and derivatives) with acoustic guitars.

ROTFLMAO........None taken.....

409 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:53:32am

re: #399 jcm

*glare*

Saltwater coffee sounds better!

;-P

Gee, you're a real die-hard, aren't you.

Jorline, you around? I need a bottle of Gulf water sent up FedEx.

410 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:54:00am

re: #397 lawhawk
Well I certainly agree with you but let's face it, NYS Republican's couldn't muscle a 10 year old out of his lunch money!
But nationally, we all ought to get all over the Leftists about this - Hope and Change my ass!

411 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:54:40am

re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If I don't see you tomorrow ... Happy Birthday!

thank you...
you know one time i told a story here about how me and a couple buddies run up to canada and sneak back a box of cubian cigars..
It's a funny story..my one friend was laughing realizing he was smoking a cubian while we were line at the border...it was, i think, a funny story..
anyhoo a lizard came on line and really flamed me ..just the worst kind of person to sneak in some cigars..
Well my fellow lizards..we are smoking those cigars sunday..
I can't wait...
:)

412 Joan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:54:47am

Internet is truly amazing. As I finally move towards facing the day, my random brain sproings: "What the hell kind of duck is Daffy supposed to be, anyway?"

Here ya' go, lizards:

American Black Duck: [Link: www.birds.cornell.edu...] If Daffy could be classified as any specific type of duck at all, I'd probably go with that.

thanks to "goldenageofcartoons" blogspot

413 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:55:33am

re: #374 reine.de.tout

Good question, and Cold Cash Jefferson is still in Congress despite the indications that he may have taken bribes. In that case, both Democrats and Republicans covered for him. Big mistake for the GOP - who lost the house in 2006 in part because they failed to deal with the Foley mess properly and still wont drum out those who engaged in fraud and other misdeeds.

414 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:55:41am

re: #402 doriangrey

cough #390 cough.....

LOL
We're cross-posting (or cross-p*ssing), aren't we.

Good morning! How's the weather in the city of my birth?

415 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:56:27am

re: #385 Karridine

Jorma played with the early Jefferson Airplane... (and -without looking at Google- Hot Tuna, I thimk) and is an excellent musician, JW

I just stumbled across him one day in Borders. The "Stars in My Crown" album was on sale for nine bucks.

Who would guess his "alter egos" ... Hot Tuna and Jefferson Airplane from that Album?

416 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:56:52am

re: #398 doriangrey
HEY! Is that really you playing guitar on that?! If so, MOTD is outta his or her mind!

417 Luigi  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:56:54am

lawhawk -- My understanding is that corrupt Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae practices caused the unraveling. They were the shifting sands on which the financial 'wealth' was built. And that leads to the usual suspects: Obama, Dodd, Jamie Gorelick...

418 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:57:55am

re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, you're a real die-hard, aren't you.

Jorline, you around? I need a bottle of Gulf water sent up FedEx.

I love to torment the Starbucks staff when I get a cup there.

"Coffee, large, black."

419 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:58:37am

re: #414 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL
We're cross-posting (or cross-p*ssing), aren't we.

Good morning! How's the weather in the city of my birth?

Just a couple points shy of perfect (to damned many democrats/socialist/communist/Marxists running the city for it to actually be perfect)..... In other words, just another beautiful day in paradise..... lol...lol...lol...

420 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:58:37am

re: #418 jcm

I love to torment the Starbucks staff when I get a cup there.

"Coffee, large, black."

LOL!
Way to go!

422 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:59:51am

re: #405 doriangrey
47? FORTY-SEVEN - Get me my brekkie you young punk!
I are 63 (though I feel about 90 these days!) so get crackin' with that breakfast, NOW!

;')

423 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 6:59:55am

Obama's connections to ACORN

(h/t insta & confed/Yankee)

424 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:14am

re: #412 Joan

Internet is truly amazing. As I finally move towards facing the day, my random brain sproings: "What the hell kind of duck is Daffy supposed to be, anyway?"

Here ya' go, lizards:

American Black Duck: [Link: www.birds.cornell.edu...] If Daffy could be classified as any specific type of duck at all, I'd probably go with that.

thanks to "goldenageofcartoons" blogspot

Do the answer the eternal question....
What is... Goofy?

425 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:18am

re: #397 lawhawk

Unfortunately, Charlie Rangel is in a safe seat up in Harlem. Those voters tolerate Charlie's pandering to Chavez for "free" heating oil, together with Charlie's pernicious alliances with the Nation of Islam. (Remember the 1972 Nation of Islam murder of Police Officer Philip Cardillo in Harlem? Rangel allied himself with Farrakhan to help protect the murderers.) They tolerated Congressman Adam Clayton Powell's cavorting on Bimini with his bimbos. They'll certainly tolerate this.

Charl;ie's running scared nonetheless. He's withdrawn his divorce petition. That means his wife can't testify against him in the tax fraud case!

426 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:43am
re: #399 jcm

*glare*

Saltwater coffee sounds better!

;-P


re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, you're a real die-hard, aren't you.

Jorline, you around? I need a bottle of Gulf water sent up FedEx.


Somebody knows how to properly make coffee?
Dash of sea water to the pot brings out the real flavor. JUST a dash (a tablespoon in a 4 gallon coffee brewer), and it has to be real sea water.

427 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:00:48am

re: #419 doriangrey

Just a couple points shy of perfect (to damned many democrats/socialist/communist/Marxists running the city for it to actually be perfect)..... In other words, just another beautiful day in paradise..... lol...lol...lol...

BTW, at one time, they took Star of India out for a sail each year. Is that still true?

428 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:01:53am

re: #416 realwest

HEY! Is that really you playing guitar on that?! If so, MOTD is outta his or her mind!

ROTFLMAO..... Yes that's really me. MOTD was a flaming faerie troll from The Jawa Report who posted that because it was the only way he could strike back at me after I ripped one of his insipidly stupid comments to shreds.

429 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:02:05am

re: #403 opnion
Good morning opnion my friend! Uh, he's not a sleeper; a true sleeper would be a rah-rah all american type; this one's upfront about his disdain for Amercia.
Hey Barry - please tell us, WHEN was a better time in history for the US, hmmm?!

430 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:02:17am
431 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:03:16am

Hey Dorian.. I was in paradise in may..there was a really nasty mayor race on TV.. real mud slinging.. the mayor told someone to get f*cked..
Who won that race for mayor?

432 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:03:17am

re: #421 FrogMarch

Evidence ACORN is desperately trying to cheat to get Obama into the oval office.

Only 80 suspect registrations, that ACORN chapter is going to losing it's charter.

ACORN has submitted about 75,000 voter registration cards to the Cuyahoga board this year.

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.
433 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:03:49am

Obama votes "Present" on the economy.

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Sen. Barack Obama today met with some of his many economic advisors and made an announcement that he was not going to make an announcement about any new plan to plan plans.

434 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:04:38am

re: #371 realwest

Hey good morning lawhawk - boy, I have to say I admire the way you've stayed on Rangel's case over all this - that S.O.B. ought to AT LEAST have his comittee chairmanship yanked by Pelosi but after all, this is a Democratic Lefty we're talking about, so short of an axe-murder with CCTV and 11 witnessess, the party will not hurt him.

Meanwhile, Trent Lott was demoted for possibly thinking something the Black Caucus thought he might be thinking.

435 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:00am

re: #433 FrogMarch

Obama votes "Present" on the economy.

Would've been nice if congress did that before they got us into this mess.....

436 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 7:05:19am