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Terror Attack Destroys Marriott Hotel, Kills At Least 40

World | Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:12:40 am PDT

A gigantic truck bomb has destroyed the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan, killing at least 40 people including one member of the US military.

A massive truck bomb destroyed much of Islamabad’s most popular hotel this evening, killing at least 40 people, wounding at least 100 and leaving a crater more than 25 feet deep. Officials feared the death toll would increase by dozens as rescue teams continue work at the scene.

At approximately 8 p.m. local time, an apparent suicide bomber blew himself up as his vehicle was being checked at the security gate of the luxury Marriott Hotel. The bomb was felt as far as 15 miles away. Within 500 feet of the blast, buildings and trees were shredded by the bomb, which was believed to be the biggest in Islamabad’s history.

In the minutes after the blast, dozens of dead bodies littered what used to be the lobby of the hotel. Between the entrance and the security checkpoint, about 50 feet away, there were mounds of rubble under which more dead are feared to be buried.

At least one member of the U.S. miltary was missing at the scene of the blast and presumed dead. Other U.S. military members eating at the hotel’s restaurant sustained non-life-threatening injuries.

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1 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:13:42am

Pray for the dead and the injured.

2 jamgarr  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:16:59am

Ramabomb

3 MAV  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:17:02am

These terrorists must be hunted down and be put down like the dogs that they are.
Spits

4 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:17:21am

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

5 Jed 1899  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:17:34am

God Speed to all.
Will the Messiah call for 'get in their face' negotiations?

6 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:19:12am

ropma

7 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

It's actually exactly like that. You don't think those locals are on the lists? (as well as shopping malls, bus stations, airports)

8 neocon hippie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:24am

This had to have been planned and executed by BushCo to further their plans of world domination of the oil market.

/

9 ZardozZ  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:27am

Animals! -- lower than dog feces... (they really hate to be associated with dogs.)

10 Syrah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:40am

Quiz time students.

[_] Islam means Peace.

[_] Islam means Pieces.

Pencils down, pass your papers forward.

11 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:21:23am

re: #10 Syrah

Quiz time students.

[_] Islam means Peace.

[_] Islam means Pieces.

Pencils down, pass your papers forward.

we're talking about RADICAl Islam ,, there is nothing "forward" about it

12 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:21:42am

re: #7 sattv4u2

It's actually exactly like that. You don't think those locals are on the lists? (as well as shopping malls, bus stations, airports)

I am sure London, Tel Aviv, Washington are on the list, but the security tends to be a tad more trust worthy and reliable.

13 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:23:37am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

Actually the Mariott is one of the more secure locations in the area. If you are from the US or Britain, there aren't many places you can go without causing a stir. Remember that this is the same city that gave us Lal Masjid. The Taliban warlords will own this country if the Pakistani leadership doesn't do a great deal more than they are, and soon.

14 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:23:41am

Today is the 7th Anniversary of Bushes declaration of the War on Terror.

Coincidence? I think not.

15 ZardozZ  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:23:54am

Obama has called for peaceful reconciliation -- afterall Marriott is one of those god awful oppressive American corporations that are destroying our way of life.

16 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:15am

re: #13 Thanos

Actually the Mariott is one of the more secure locations in the area. If you are from the US or Britain, there aren't many places you can go without causing a stir. Remember that this is the same city that gave us Lal Masjid. The Taliban warlords will own this country if the Pakistani leadership doesn't do a great deal more than they are, and soon.

According to some sources, a group of CIA officers just arrived in Islamabad may have been targeted. The Pakistani Tehreek e-Taliban claimed the blast which DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources note came four days after the US embassy in Sanaa was attacked by Islamic terrorists, killing seventeen people.

17 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #14 Irene NYC

Today is the 7th Anniversary of Bushes declaration of the War on Terror.

In what respect, Charly?

18 loveguru  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:26am

nothing abad in Islamabad.......

19 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:47am

PIMF Bushes = Bush'
(not sure hot to do possessive here)

20 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:25:35am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

According to some sources, a group of CIA officers just arrived in Islamabad may have been targeted. The Pakistani Tehreek e-Taliban claimed the blast which DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources note came four days after the US embassy in Sanaa was attacked by Islamic terrorists, killing seventeen people.

They are negotiating where the US trainers will train the Pakistan anti-terror forces at, placement of the base.

21 looking closely  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:27:17am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

According to some sources, a group of CIA officers just arrived in Islamabad may have been targeted. The Pakistani Tehreek e-Taliban claimed the blast which DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources note came four days after the US embassy in Sanaa was attacked by Islamic terrorists, killing seventeen people.

DEBKA is simply not a reliable source (to put it politely).

22 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:27:24am

re: #10 Syrah

Quiz time students.

[_] Islam means Peace.

[_] Islam means Pieces.

Pencils down, pass your papers forward.

If you did not check the first one, please proceed through the door to your left and line up against the wall.

/mullah

23 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:27:55am

Again, if Pakistan does not adopt a serious policy of and campaign for counter insurgency, then they are doomed. We will see parts of the country split off, and you know who will own them. Right now it's all well-telegraphed punitive strikes that net nothing more than cannon-fodder instead of the leaders, which just brews more insurgency.

24 gymnast  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:28:14am

The single most tangible identifier of a bankrupt malignant ideology is it's use of terrorism.

25 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:28:37am

re: #17 itellu3times

re: #14 Irene NYC
Today is the 7th Anniversary of Bushes declaration of the War on Terror.
In what respect, Charly?

On September 20th, 2001, during an address to a joint session of congress and the American people, President George W. Bush formally declared war on terror when he said, "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."

26 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:29:13am
27 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:29:47am

re: #21 looking closely

DEBKA is simply not a reliable source (to put it politely).

Yes, but it's a slow news day and they get about 50% right. And with the MSM news reporting American Military deaths and injuries, it may not be that far off.

28 nigella  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:30:55am

This should be a wake up call to all those Americans who think Terrorism isn't that big a worry in this election. My question to them is: If this was a Marriott in the US, would you want Obama or McCain at the helm?You cannot, and I repeat cannot reason with terrorists. They want only one thing.....The total annihilation of Israel and the West!

29 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:31:34am

Surely by now we've figured out some way of liquidating these bastards in the mountain passes. I hope that lack of political will is the only thing holding the good guys back, because when that will reaches a certain threshold, I'd like to see these guys no more than a bloody smear on the canyon wall.

No offense.

30 LEGION  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:32:00am

The MSM is evil and should be destroyed. Better yet, ignore it, don't listen don't buy tell their advertisers. They will wither away like your tailbone.

31 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:32:23am

re: #27 Nevergiveup

Yes, but it's a slow news day and they get about 50% right. And with the MSM news reporting American Military deaths and injuries, it may not be that far off.

Debka's less reliable than Syed at the Asia times; if you understand that Syed's the mouthpiece for AQ, (he will pretty much repeat the spin they give him uncritically,) then you can pick up quite a bit of info from his articles.

32 LEGION  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:32:49am

re: #28 nigella

That's why I stay at Motel 6.
/

33 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:16am

Berlusconi: Italy will soon get nuclear plan.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Another Western Democracy plans for the future. Gee now what Western Democracy on the west side of the Atlantic is being prevented from doing that by the loyal opposition?

34 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #28 nigella

This should be a wake up call to all those Americans who think Terrorism isn't that big a worry in this election. My question to them is: If this was a Marriott in the US, would you want Obama or McCain at the helm?You cannot, and I repeat cannot reason with terrorists. They want only one thing.....The total annihilation of Israel and the West!

unfortunately, the people that don;t see it as a way will say it's the Bush policies and puppets in Paki that cause people to do this. That, and the fact that it did NOT happen here give them the (false) warm and fuzzies

35 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:21am
36 LEGION  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:23am

Nice new look on the icons btw.

37 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:34:07am
38 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:35:01am

I'll be interested in the composition and source of the munitions used, this was a huge blast since the hotel is protected by k-rails and concrete blocks, the truck bomb went off at quite a distance from the hotel.

39 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:35:18am

re: #31 Thanos

Debka's less reliable than Syed at the Asia times; if you understand that Syed's the mouthpiece for AQ, (he will pretty much repeat the spin they give him uncritically,) then you can pick up quite a bit of info from his articles.

Debka was ahead of most with the story about the Syrian Nuclear boom in the desert.

40 Mad Mullah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:35:32am

Is anybody surprised? Pakistan is a country were around half of the people are deranged Bin Laden supporters.

41 Lioness  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:36:57am

OT ~

Check out this link here

It seems that some Dems were threatening to take away the Jewish Groups tax exempt status if they didn't uninvite Sarah Palin.

42 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:38:14am

No surprise that it's Islamabad.

Islam ... bad ... makes perfect sense.

/I know

I'm surprised more doesn't happen in Peshawar.

43 Airedale  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:38:21am

let me get this straight, in this case, there are no civilians in Jihad. Only infidels,unbelievers and collaborators against "alla the hun"

44 Kulhwch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:38:48am

Religion of Pieces!

}:)     [ ... effing barbarians all of them ... ]

45 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:39:24am

re: #39 Nevergiveup

Debka was ahead of most with the story about the Syrian Nuclear boom in the desert.

Yes he was. But that's one hit, he's run with quite a few articles that didn't pan out. I have my own mistakes (e.g. recently I believed Pakistan military sources saying they got a Taliban leader when they were just spoofed by Taliban radio chatter, ) but with the sheer number of "things imminent" articles he runs it means that he's ocassionally going to get it right. Clock analogy fits.

46 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:41:06am

re: #31 Thanos

Debka's less reliable than Syed at the Asia times

Maybe, but their roles are totally different. Debka - for lack of a better analogy - has to play defense while Syed is playing offense. The stakes are much higher for defense - all stories need to be investigated, even if they're just rumors, because people's lives are at stake.

47 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:41:47am

re: #37 ploome hineni

what has Debka printed that was out of line? Please show me one story

I am not anti-debka. They do print some stuff that never seems to pan out. Most of it is never out right lies, but misplaced innuendo. I still think it is a good source of information, as long as you filter it properly. They have indicated an imminent US attack on Iran more than once.

48 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:42:58am

re: #46 Irene NYC

Maybe, but their roles are totally different. Debka - for lack of a better analogy - has to play defense while Syed is playing offense. The stakes are much higher for defense - all stories need to be investigated, even if they're just rumors, because people's lives are at stake.

I'm not trying to diss Debka here folks. Just like any other source, use other multiple sources to verify if you see something there.

49 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:44:51am

re: #45 Thanos

Yes he was. But that's one hit, he's run with quite a few articles that didn't pan out. I have my own mistakes (e.g. recently I believed Pakistan military sources saying they got a Taliban leader when they were just spoofed by Taliban radio chatter, ) but with the sheer number of "things imminent" articles he runs it means that he's ocassionally going to get it right. Clock analogy fits.

I don't really disagree with you. It seems Debka is less reliable now than it was years ago. I get the impression he had links to the Israeli intelligence community, but those links may be getting old and he sources are now not as well placed.

50 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:45:01am

They were saying on Fox that they don't know how many extra people were in the hotel because it's the last night of the Ramadan and people were out celebrating with their breaking the fast meal (sorry, pregnancy brain, can't remember the name of that holiday-Eid something).

You know, I never think of celebrating Christmas or Easter this way.

51 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:45:09am

re: #40 Mad Mullah

Is anybody surprised? Pakistan is a country were around half of the people are deranged Bin Laden supporters.

It's more like 28 percent, but the rest of the population is either disinterested or focused elsewhere, mostly on the political infighting.

52 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:46:23am

Wiki claims this re: Ramadan:

the word itself derived from an Arabic word *rmd as in "ramida" or "ar-ramad" denoting intense heat, scorched ground

Also the month during which an angel "revealed the Koran to Mohammad."

Cf. sura 9.

53 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:46:44am

re: #50 livefreeor die

They were saying on Fox that they don't know how many extra people were in the hotel because it's the last night of the Ramadan and people were out celebrating with their breaking the fast meal (sorry, pregnancy brain, can't remember the name of that holiday-Eid something).

You know, I never think of celebrating Christmas or Easter this way.

Yeah these animals like to bomb on holidays. Remember Passover in Netanya!

54 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:47:19am

re: #53 Nevergiveup

Yeah these animals like to bomb on holidays. Remember Passover in Netanya!

Christmas in Bali.

55 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:47:44am

re: #41 Lioness

From the article:

"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats," said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."

Voters are tired of the Dems pushing them around, forcing their agendas on everyone. Good, it's about time.

/I've been appalled at the behavior of the democrats for years

56 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:49:29am

Feel like I dodged a bullet here. Just got back from the Marriot Hyderabad.

the security there was unlike anything I had seen in Hyd, and I thought to myself "wow.. there must be some threat they know about."


I was proposing to my girlfriend at their restaurant.

57 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:50:04am

Democrats have been saying the city isn't worth defending. Cf. Whittle's essay.

They need to be removed.

58 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:50:36am
59 Mad Mullah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:50:51am

re: #51 Thanos

It's more like 28 percent, but the rest of the population is either disinterested or focused elsewhere, mostly on the political infighting.

I've seen polls before where it was nearly half. Even if it is 28%, that's still a lot of crazy jihadists that are going to cause a whole lot of trouble.

According to poll results, bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf's support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush's approval: 9 percent.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

60 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:04am

re: #56 astronmr20

I was proposing to my girlfriend at their restaurant.

And...?

61 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:28am
A massive truck bomb destroyed much of Islamabad’s most popular hotel this evening, killing at least 40 people, wounding at least 100 and leaving a crater more than 25 feet deep. Officials feared the death toll would increase by dozens as rescue teams continue work at the scene.

It's beginning to look like Ramadan, ev'rywhere you go...

Yeah, reposted snark, but the other thread is dead.

62 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:32am

re: #60 wrenchwench

And...?

She said yes.

63 Kulhwch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:54am
At approximately 8 p.m. local time, an apparent suicide bomber blew himself up as his vehicle was being checked at the security gate of the luxury Marriott Hotel.

Probably thought it was the Ramadan Inn and was chagrinned at his error ...

}:)     <ducking>

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:00am

re: #62 astronmr20

Congratulations!

65 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:02am

re: #60 wrenchwench

And...?

The lemon pie was to DIE for !

// gggaaaaahh,,, sowwy !

66 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #56 astronmr20

So, did she say yes?

67 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #62 astronmr20

She said yes.

Congratulations! It's nice to hear some good news today.

68 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:23am

re: #62 astronmr20

She said yes.

Congratulations!

69 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #62 astronmr20

Best wishes to you!

70 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:53:41am

Thanks!

Last time we were both in Hyderabad, the RoP hit a movie theatre we were in just days earlier.

She's moving to the states to be with me, though.

71 flynmudd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:54:10am

re: #62 astronmr20

Congratulations!

72 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:54:25am

Congrats! So, did you go to Laad Bazaar and get something nice?
;)

73 pat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:54:41am

Again we see the seemingly irrational selection of Islamic targets. Although some attribute these random targets as part of an overall plan to generate societal fear, followed by subjugation, I disagree. The targeting is opportunistic and often absolutely meaningless. It is Rage Boy on steroids. The product of religious frenzy that has no outlet or ultimate purpose, like so much of Islam.

74 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:08am

re: #51 Thanos

re: #40 Mad Mullah
Is anybody surprised? Pakistan is a country were around half of the people are deranged Bin Laden supporters.

It's more like 28 percent, but the rest of the population is either disinterested or focused elsewhere, mostly on the political infighting.

Unfortunately, the disinterested have allowed a viper to grow in their midst.

Has the countdown 'til the next military coup begun?

75 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:10am

re: #58 ploome hineni

I will not quibble with that. Just recently thought, they did print a story that Bibi and Barak ( as in Ehud ) were going to team up to prevent Livni from taking power. It doesn't appear to be bearing out? Now I am would not be surprised if some of there supporters did put out feelers to the other side, but it was probably not as big a story as Debka made it out to be.

76 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:23am

re: #72 Irene NYC

Congrats! So, did you go to Laad Bazaar and get something nice?
;)

Ahh I did! Got a pashmina for my mom and a handmade jewelry box for sis.

77 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:33am
78 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:36am

They blowin' it up at the hotel ramadan
And it's no surprise, bring your worst surmise

79 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:56:30am

re: #73 pat

Islamabad's the capital. They're making a play for symbolic dominance.

80 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:56:50am

Death toll now up to 60

81 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:56:57am

I want a big pewter chandelier.

82 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:01am

re: #77 ploome hineni

She's already got a ring! That's what I was giving her (:

83 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #76 astronmr20

Well, I'm sure you'll get some extra points for those - besides the ones for the bride-to-be of course!
;)

84 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:30am

I am on skype with fiancee. She says death tool now 60+

85 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:55am
86 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:01am

toll

87 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:24am

I must admit to 100.000% negative bias regarding Asif Zardari having the intestinal fortitude necessary for fighting the Islamists. Perhaps (I don't know) he's had an awakening, but anyone as corrupt as he cannot have developed the character that's needed now.

Unless the Army (or the rest of the PPP) acts, Pakistan is screwed.

88 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:25am

re: #84 astronmr20

I am on skype with fiancee. She says death tool now 60+

Tell her to stay back far enough so it doesn't hit 61.

89 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:39am

this kind of terrorist act is the perfect example why the jewish groups in nyc should not have dis-invited sarah palin from coming to the 'back-down' iran rally.
when no one speaks up these scum gain a psychological advantage.
it was disheartening to see the dems succeed in coercing the jewish people to do something so counter to their well being.
sarah palin is on their side.
obama could give a shit.

90 Airedale  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:19am

But but but... Pakistan's " department of peace" had a deal with the frontiersmen didn't they ?
"Peace in our times"

oh,
They thought you said "peace in your tombs"

91 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:44am
92 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:45am

re: #87 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I must admit to 100.000% negative bias regarding Asif Zardari having the intestinal fortitude necessary for fighting the Islamists. Perhaps (I don't know) he's had an awakening, but anyone as corrupt as he cannot have developed the character that's needed now.

Unless the Army (or the rest of the PPP) acts, Pakistan is screwed.

Agreed. See my #74 (GMTA).

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:48am

re: #62 astronmr20

Best of all possible everythings.

94 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:00:47am

re: #88 jwb7605

Tell her to stay back far enough so it doesn't hit 61.

She's in Hyderabad, India.

95 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:01:07am

re: #89 nyc redneck

this kind of terrorist act is the perfect example why the jewish groups in nyc should not have dis-invited sarah palin from coming to the 'back-down' iran rally.
when no one speaks up these scum gain a psychological advantage.
it was disheartening to see the dems succeed in coercing the jewish people to do something so counter to their well being.
sarah palin is on their side.
obama could give a shit.

Hey these are democratic liberal weenie's who happen to identify themselves as nominally Jewish. Don't group me in with these cowards. Not in MY NAME!

96 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:01:31am

re: #91 ploome hineni

I agree. Obama could've sent an RSVP or statement or lackey.

97 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:01:39am

re: #89 nyc redneck
The Jewish groups should've told the Dems to go f*ck themselves. I am seriously upset with them. Utterly spineless.

So what if they had been audited. What've they got to hide anyway?

They were supposed to stand on principle. Take the moral high ground. If they don't have that, they have nothing.

/can you tell I'm angry?

98 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:04am

re: #87 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I must admit to 100.000% negative bias regarding Asif Zardari having the intestinal fortitude necessary for fighting the Islamists. Perhaps (I don't know) he's had an awakening, but anyone as corrupt as he cannot have developed the character that's needed now.

Unless the Army (or the rest of the PPP) acts, Pakistan is screwed.

I have the feeling that the Pakistani Army will act - only question is, when ...

99 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:19am

re: #94 astronmr20

Good, that's in the south.

100 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:39am

re: #98 yma o hyd

I don't.

What will they strike at?

101 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:43am

re: #70 astronmr20

Thanks!

Last time we were both in Hyderabad, the RoP hit a movie theatre we were in just days earlier.

She's moving to the states to be with me, though.

Joe Biden hooking her up with a job at a Dunkin Donuts?

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

102 Right Brain  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:03:01am

re: #91 ploome hineni

The Left-overs basically are for the war on terror.

They want the terrorists to win.

103 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:03:28am

re: #99 godfrey

Yes, although it gets it's share of bombings from the RoP lately. This time last year was when they hit the movie theatre, and 23 more devices were found.

104 NR Pax  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:03:29am

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #98 yma o hyd

I have the feeling that the Pakistani Army will act - only question is, when ...

I simply HAVE to agree. Thinking the alternative is ... well ... you know.

106 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:01am

OT - SORRY Y'ALL -
CHARLES - we have us another moby/sleeper on the prior thread, a Mr. Sandman (appropriate nic) who gunned down McCain for truly specious reasons at comment #219 on that prior thread.
I noted in my #226, that Mr. Sandman:
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

And I reported it to you, because I know how much you hate it when idiots make posts out here that can be cherry picked by the LGF haters.
Just wanted you to know why I reported it to you.

107 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:45am

OT

There are always some amusing things at this blog, which I'd never heard of before: A Welsh View.

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:49am

re: #100 astronmr20

I don't.

What will they strike at?

Take over the government. A coup.

109 Russkilitlover  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:59am

re: #62 astronmr20

She said yes.

Congratulations! Best wishes to you and your fiancee.

110 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:05:12am

re: #101 sattv4u2

Joe Biden hooking her up with a job at a Dunkin Donuts?

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

Ha. She doesn't need Joe Biden. She works for a bank all over the world implementing anti money-laundering systems and works with INTERPOL to catch the culprits.

111 rlevitin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:05:19am

re: #21 looking closely

DEBKA is simply not a reliable source (to put it politely).

I've heard this a few times, I have a friend who follows DEBKA religiously, can you give me some examples/reasons/proof of its unreliability?

112 BigPapa  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:05:21am

Rat bastards.

Funny, it sure seems like we're in a war. It's pretty clear that the guy who just blew himself up on purpose thinks that way.

Why doesn't many in the rest of the world think so?

113 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:06:01am

re: #97 Irene NYC

The Jewish groups should've told the Dems to go f*ck themselves. I am seriously upset with them. Utterly spineless.

So what if they had been audited. What've they got to hide anyway?

They were supposed to stand on principle. Take the moral high ground. If they don't have that, they have nothing.

/can you tell I'm angry?

And you're right to be angry.
What I find even more upsetting about this is that now far less people will attend that ralley, thus giving dinnerjacket a reason to preen, since so many Americans obviously must love him!
On top of which comes that unspeakable dinner in his honour - its a perfectly orchestrated stab in the back for Israel.

114 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:06:10am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

Or that the large explosion was some sort of accident.

115 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:06:52am

By the way, "fiance'" means something like "at one's side or hip."

/fianco is "side" in Italian.

116 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:08am

re: #97 Irene NYC

Who threatened them?

117 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:09am

re: #113 yma o hyd

Yes, divide and conquer and those stupid group leaders fell for it.

118 soccerdad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:54am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

THAT is your only thought? To blame the military guy (persons) for hanging near a little slice of home/normalcy? Spend a few months overseas and away from all things that feel 'normal' to you and you MIGHT understand. Then perhaps your FIRST thought might be 'aw shit, I feel sorry for the families" NOT to wonder why they were there in the first place.

119 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:56am

re: #116 MandyManners

Thus far I've only heard reports about Democratic lawyers and operatives. Names haven't been released that I've seen.

120 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:09:19am

re: #100 astronmr20

I don't.

What will they strike at?

Overturn the 'democratically elected government' and install another military dictatorship - which has to go after the terrorists to show the people that they are the only ones who can keep them safe.

In fact, come to think of, this terrorist attack may well have taken place with the connivance of some in the ISI, just to pave the way for such a dictatorship.

121 Phocid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:09:27am

Obama has gone on record saying that we should pull troops out of Iraq (the bad war) to send them to Afghanistan (the good war) and perhaps invade Pakistan. He can't very well back out of that now, how is he gonna appease the 'anti-war' loonies? Or do they just sense that he's one of them underneath all the deception?

122 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:10am

re: #115 godfrey

By the way, "fiance'" means something like "at one's side or hip."

/fianco is "side" in Italian.

I always wondered why it was so close to Fiasco!

/just sayin !

123 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:34am

re: #118 soccerdad

It is not my only thought, but being in the Military, we are often told to be discreet. If you took it the wrong way, I am sorry.

124 mfarmer1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:39am

Perhaps Paaak-eee-stahhhn should be a bit more concerned with the millions of primitive Islamofascists inside its own borders and not worry as much about "outside" forces which after all, are only picking up the slack for the failed Islamic state.

125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:45am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

GEE! Thank you SO much for pointing that OUT! I feel so much BETTER now.

/contented once again, the ostrich sticks his head back into the ground

/sarc ... just in case it's not obvious

126 SaracensAtTheGates  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:49am

The Pakistani "government" doesn't even control it own capital, never mind the "restive tribal regions" or the nuclear weapons in the country.

127 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:11:32am

I somehow think that the Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorists will not ultimately be successful in getting Pakistan to withdraw from Pakistan.

More likely there will be the equivalent of an 'Anbar Awakening' all across Pakistan.

128 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:12:26am

re: #119 Irene NYC

Mandy, here's the op-ed from the NYPost.

129 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:12:47am

re: #122 sattv4u2

Fiasco is "flask" or bottle. :-)

130 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:12:50am

re: #128 Irene NYC

Mandy, here's the op-ed from the NYPost.

Thanks!

131 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:13:02am

re: #97 Irene NYC

The Jewish groups should've told the Dems to go f*ck themselves. I am seriously upset with them. Utterly spineless.

So what if they had been audited. What've they got to hide anyway?

They were supposed to stand on principle. Take the moral high ground. If they don't have that, they have nothing.

/can you tell I'm angry?

it's upsetting to me, too.
they have done the bidding of the obama camp, which has only it's best interest in mind.
and now comes the 'shit slinging monkey', unobstructed.
sarah palin would have slapped that smile off his ugly face.
she would have spoken up for america and the jews.
it's disgusting how this has unfolded.

132 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:13:37am

re: #130 MandyManners

Thanks!

so a Fiance Fiasco would be a Side Bottle ,,, cool !

133 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:13:38am

Obama is a just a communist with social pretensions.

134 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:08am

re: #107 godfrey

OT

There are always some amusing things at this blog, which I'd never heard of before: A Welsh View.

Gah - ye made me look at that!
Except for the Welsh flag on top of the blog I cannot for the life of me find anything there which is Welsh - or which presents a Welsh view ...

(There's not even a blydi rugby ball in sight, not one!)

135 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:22am

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Hey these are democratic liberal weenie's who happen to identify themselves as nominally Jewish. Don't group me in with these cowards. Not in MY NAME!

ok.
(how could you think i would do that? anyway)
lol

136 Bubbaman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:28am

I couldn't imagine who would do such a thing (wink, wink) or why (wink, wink)? Couldn't they just have a dance celebrating Ramalamadingdong instead?

How will the MSM and the annointed one spin this?

137 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:35am

re: #132 sattv4u2

so a Fiance Fiasco would be a Side Bottle ,,, cool !

OOOPPPSS ,, that was for Godfrey @ #129

138 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:15:10am

re: #128 Irene NYC

Mandy, here's the op-ed from the NYPost.

It doesn't say who threatened them.

139 mfarmer1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:15:41am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

The authorities have to first rule out if it was just a gas leak, small meteorite, or the Mossad. The last one may take several months to investigate.

140 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:03am

re: #134 yma o hyd

lol

I know, but it's one of those miscellany sites that has a high ratio of signal to noise.

141 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:11am

re: #131 nyc redneck

Last year I went and demonstrated uptown at Columbia and midtown. This year? I think I'm staying home because I wouldn't just be protesting against Iran, I'd be certifying Obama's dirty politics.

142 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:37am

re: #91 ploome hineni

everyone should have been invited, whoever came, fine

of course, you're right. everyone should be showing up. all the pols.
the dems didn't want to come tho and had to stop sarah or it would reflect badly on them.
and the terrorists love it like this.

143 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:54am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

The suicide is incidental - it's a homicide bombing as far as I'm concerned.

144 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:57am

re: #138 MandyManners

I know, they haven't released names yet.

145 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:17:12am

re: #137 sattv4u2

Call her "mio fiasco al fianco," but say it with the best smoldering look you can muster.

146 NR Pax  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:17:49am

re: #139 mfarmer1

The authorities have to first rule out if it was just a gas leak, small meteorite, or the Mossad. The last one may take several months to investigate.

This is true. The Mossad are pretty sneaky types. Especially now that mind-controlling weapons are more portable.

/yes, yes

147 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:07am

re: #106 realwest

* * *
Thank you Realwest for keeping us honest!

148 soccerdad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #123 Nevergiveup

It is not my only thought, but being in the Military, we are often told to be discreet. If you took it the wrong way, I am sorry.


Accepted. I know we're told not to congregate...blah, blah, blah. I could never stay away from Bobby's bar in Glyfada (Athens), even after the bomb went off. Too many cute brits and swedes.

149 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:28am

This is just another incident in a long war. Our enemies do seem to have a gift for making enemies, though. They will kill anybody and everybody just to get a couple of Americans.

When they kill mostly fellow Muslims, noncombatant Kenyans, and so on, that earns them a measure of contempt and revulsion. Even from a literalist Islamic perspective, where is the justice and merit in constantly blowing other Muslims to bits? You can say they are martyrs, but that wears thin.

150 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:30am

re: #144 Irene NYC

I know, they haven't released names yet.

Will they ever?

151 NR Pax  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:41am

re: #143 debutaunt

The suicide is incidental - it's a homicide bombing as far as I'm concerned.

I get a lot of strange looks when I refer to these things as homicide bombings, but the label is far more accurate.

152 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:49am

re: #94 astronmr20

She's in Hyderabad, India.

Should work :)

153 feedupdem  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:19:51am

OT

Has anyone seen a good Fisking of the "This is Your Nation on White Privilege" anywhere?

Thanks

154 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:20:05am

it makes me sick that an opportunity is lost for our pols to unite in show of force against the fcking barbarians.

155 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:20:42am

re: #150 MandyManners

You know, Mandy, I hope that the fallout from this will be so bad that somebody's head will have to roll, or they'll get thrown under the bus, etc.

156 Bubbaman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:21:06am

Something tells me that this is the democratic Islamic face of Paki-terror-stan?

157 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:23:02am

re: #151 NR Pax

I get a lot of strange looks when I refer to these things as homicide bombings, but the label is far more accurate.

Maybe the suicide bomber was trying to quit smoking?

158 mattm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:23:30am

ROPMA.

159 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:24:09am

I know I'm supposed to rejoice because Lawyers are now in charge of Pakistan, remember them? Ranting and raving and burning Pres. Musharraf and Pres. Bush in effigy?

Removing Pres. Musharraf, President Bush's supposed poodle, was supposed to bring PEACE & PROSPERITY, turn back the waters, heal the earth, etc.

Same bullshit Obama's promising here in his other home away from home.

160 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:24:35am

re: #41 Lioness

OT ~

Check out this link here

It seems that some Dems were threatening to take away the Jewish Groups tax exempt status if they didn't uninvite Sarah Palin.

I've been trying to dig out more information on this part of the story. I wonder why they didn't name names, other than a vague "Democrats". The photo of Sen Clinton off to the right side had this interesting tag:

Hillary Clinton was all smiles on Sept. 18. After stopping GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin from attending a UN rally, she was out getting praised by a Jewish group at a fundraiser.
CBS


I wonder if CBS has anything backing up their allegation that Sen Clinton was behind this whole thing?

161 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:25:06am

re: #155 Irene NYC

You know, Mandy, I hope that the fallout from this will be so bad that somebody's head will have to roll, or they'll get thrown under the bus, etc.

I wonder who is left to speak Monday.? I hope someone has the balls to speak up and criticize the Democrats for making this political. Will the lack of any spine even be mentioned on the news talk shows tomorrow?

162 loveguru  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:26:45am

BTW.. here you have a better view of picture !

[Link: www.rediff.com...]

163 Syrah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:27:34am

re: #161 Nevergiveup

I wonder who is left to speak Monday.? I hope someone has the balls to speak up and criticize the Democrats for making this political. Will the lack of any spine even be mentioned on the news talk shows tomorrow?

The Dems are only judged on their good intentions. The consequences are not relevant to them.

164 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:28:12am

re: #163 Syrah

The Dems are only judged on their good intentions. The consequences are not relevant to them.

What good intentions?

165 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #155 Irene NYC

You know, Mandy, I hope that the fallout from this will be so bad that somebody's head will have to roll, or they'll get thrown under the bus, etc.

Part of me doubts we'll ever be told.

BHO could have sex with a goat on the Capitol steps at high noon and the MSM would not report it.

166 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:28:48am

You know, it is bothersome... if a civilian is mistakenly killed during a US raid on the murderous terrorists, the American left immediately calls our servicemen murderers who terrorize civilians in the dead of night (a quote from one Presidential candidate).

I wonder why we don't have a quote from him now that theIslamic "army" is targeting and murdering civilians.

The left's silence is deafening.

167 Syrah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #164 Nevergiveup

What good intentions?

The same good intentions that Carter had when he hung out the Shah of Iran because the Shah was not a nice man.

168 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:29:56am

re: #141 Irene NYC

Last year I went and demonstrated uptown at Columbia and midtown. This year? I think I'm staying home because I wouldn't just be protesting against Iran, I'd be certifying Obama's dirty politics.

i know a few people in my bldg. who are going. i would, if i was in town.
you might want to go, because the bigger the crowd the bigger the message to the jihadis. and that really is the point.

169 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:32:04am

I am watching the second to last game at Yankee Stadium on TV. What a yawn. No score in the 5th. Big question now is who will hit the last home run at the Stadium? Right now it is Robinson Cano. I just hope it is NOT A-Rod.

170 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:33:17am

re: #163 Syrah

The Dems are only judged on their good intentions. The consequences are not relevant to them.

The last time any Democrat had a good intention it was when Harry S. Truman dropped a couple of bombs to reduce the loss of American lives that was certain to accompany invasion. The bombs fell on a nation that had attacked us without provocation and is today a prosperous democracy and one of our staunchest allies in Asia.

That was the last good intention I can attribute to any Democrat. More than 60 years and waiting for another.

171 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:35:31am

re: #170 shanec99

The last time any Democrat had a good intention it was when Harry S. Truman dropped a couple of bombs to reduce the loss of American lives that was certain to accompany invasion. The bombs fell on a nation that had attacked us without provocation and is today a prosperous democracy and one of our staunchest allies in Asia.

That was the last good intention I can attribute to any Democrat. More than 60 years and waiting for another.

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

172 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:36:11am

re: #106 realwest

Your aim is true. Mr. Sandman and EIDE_Interface are two most egregious trolls extant at this time.

173 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:37:10am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

JFK recognized the value of going to the moon. Unintended consequences of advancing technology and getting spin-offs.

174 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:37:31am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

Lieberman.

175 Tarkus289  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:37:58am

Zell Miller.

176 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:38:02am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Well Leiberman is attempting to stand against the people who bombed us on 9/11 and you see how they are treating him.

177 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:38:12am

re: #172 Meremortal

Your aim is true. Mr. Sandman and EIDE_Interface are two most egregious trolls extant at this time.

EIDE_Interface is sneakier. He read Saul Alinsky's book.

178 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:38:19am

re: #149 lostlakehiker

I think this is much more than trying to kill a few Americans. This is how Islam and its laws subjugate Muslims, too. It's best to think of jihadis as the "jihadic unconscious" of the Muslim world. The "moderate" Muslims are Islam's rational side, trying to mediate between the incoherent rage for caliphate power and sexual dominance on one side, and the desire to placate "Allah" the ineffable, totalitarian void on the other. The jihadis know that they can intimidate anxious moderate Muslims, and they do an excellent job of it. They are what the milquetoast Muslim believes he should be: striving in the path of Allah, vanquishing the infidel and the evildoer, and protecting his seraglio from infidel pollutants.

179 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:39:57am

re: #176 shanec99

Well Leiberman is attempting to stand against the people who bombed us on 9/11 and you see how they are treating him.

I agree with you. Just pointing out there were a few, very few, between Truman and Liberman who were American's First!

180 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:40:26am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

it is a party w/out even lieberman, now.
no one left who you could respect all.
they would offer kerry as a statesman.
shameful.

181 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:40:37am

re: #172 Meremortal

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.

182 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:41:21am

re: #177 jwb7605

EIDE_Interface is sneakier. He read Saul Alinsky's book.


--
Correct, much sneakier. The knife goes in after the false drawing in of the victim with fake red meat.

183 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:41:35am

re: #180 nyc redneck

it is a party w/out even lieberman, now.
no one left who you could respect all.
they would offer kerry as a statesman.
shameful.

They could offer, but I ain't taking!

184 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:42:35am

re: #177 jwb7605

EIDE_Interface is sneakier. He read Saul Alinsky's book.

it reminds me a poster who used to be here, named rodan.

185 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:13am

nyc

Can we name one Democrat who is both nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, pluralistic, economically competitive, respectful of religion and the troops sort of person?

186 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #178 godfrey

I think this is much more than trying to kill a few Americans. This is how Islam and its laws subjugate Muslims, too. It's best to think of jihadis as the "jihadic unconscious" of the Muslim world. The "moderate" Muslims are Islam's rational side, trying to mediate between the incoherent rage for caliphate power and sexual dominance on one side, and the desire to placate "Allah" the ineffable, totalitarian void on the other. The jihadis know that they can intimidate anxious moderate Muslims, and they do an excellent job of it. They are what the milquetoast Muslim believes he should be: striving in the path of Allah, vanquishing the infidel and the evildoer, and protecting his seraglio from infidel pollutants.

Moderate Muslim?

How do you find moderation in a religion that reveres as its greatest prophet a man who slept with a nine year old girl.

All Muslims believe that Mohammed did no wrong anmd is to be emulated.
Which moderate person is likely to regard a man who has sex with nine year olds as a perfect man who should be emulated?

187 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:44am

re: #181 MandyManners

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.

I was going to find Mr. Sandman's posts and down-ding.
I see that is no longer possible.
Thank you, Charles and realwest.

188 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:51am

The fallout is predictable- the Islamists will bless the dastards (yes with a d) who did this. The majority of Muslims will say nothing or even blame it on US cross border attacks on al Qaeda, never mind the reality of thousands of Jihadis crossing into Afghanistan to reclaim the land that begot 911 to restore it to a state that will allow it to create other attacks.

Islam is predicated on the most ancient Middle East principles of hospitality and the Muslim literature and culture place the highest value on the traditions of hospitality. The father of the Arabs, Abraham, famously had a tent with four doors and he eagerly would watch for the next visitor.

But in the new world of nihilist Jihad, slaughter of the innocents, to get to a few who aren't even guilty, is the new norm. Pakistan is an Islamic country with an Islamic government and Muslim leaders. Those leaders reflect the overwhelming majority of the people of the country. That is not good enough for the killers.

The unelected mass murderers, who just killing dozens and injured hundred more, have judged then maimed and killed hundreds for the sin of seeking hospitality. The very gates of welcome that ought to protect the hotel and make its guests safe made it an easy target.

While our own system of morality condemns this misbegotten behavior, we sometimes shake it off as insignificant because some have come to just accept this as an "Islamic norm." It is not. It is a violation of all Islamic and human norms. And, since our defenses are up, it is far more a threat to Pakistan than it will ever be to us but that does not in any way place this beyond our concern, this the very depravity that gave birth to 911 and it must be hunted down and destroyed without mercy lest it lead to other 911s. This is a naked attempt to isolate Pakistan and hand it over to the barbarians. It needs to be faced head on, and whether the government of Pakistan finds the courage to confront these monsters or not, we should give not the slightest quarter to the real enemies. If we have to kill every living thing in Western Pakistan, hopefully, it never comes to that, but the one thing that must never happen is for us to allow the people who regard this barbarism as the highest calling of their faith to win.

Our hearts go out to the victims and their families but our response must be to steel our resolve and do everything in within our power to crush this human disease once and for all.

189 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:45:04am

re: #185 godfrey

nyc

Can we name one Democrat who is both nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, pluralistic, economically competitive, respectful of religion and the troops sort of person?

no, we can not.
sadly.

190 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #181 MandyManners

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.

191 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:46:58am

re: #186 shanec99

By "moderate" I always mean "functionally apostate." If a Muslim obeyed all the unabrogated injunctions in the Koran, he or she would be a sociopath.

192 mich-again  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:48:03am

Seems to me Pakistan is more concerned with stopping US led operations than stopping Al Qaeda led operations.

193 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:48:03am

re: #186 shanec99

You're right - we should lay the expression 'moderate muslim' to rest.
Under the right circumstances, any muslim can with ease (as we've seen in the last 15 years or so) be induced to become - not a 'violent' one, bt a 'true jihadi'.
Unfortunately, the violence is always there, its demanded by Mo and his book. Its always present - dormant in msot cases, but present and easily invoked.

194 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:48:15am

re: #187 jwb7605

I was going to find Mr. Sandman's posts and down-ding.
I see that is no longer possible.
Thank you, Charles and realwest.

He's not been banned.

195 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:15am

re: #181 MandyManners

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.


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Sorry, my full comment didn't post above for some reason. I'll just take your word Mandy, and not go have a sniff.

Looks like Mr. Sandman has met the real Mr. Sandman (Stinky) anyway.

196 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:24am

re: #194 MandyManners

He's not been banned.

Where did his post(s?) go?

197 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:24am

Why do lizards think EIDE is a troll? I'm not on regularly enough to track its posts.

198 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:42am

re: #189 nyc redneck
Sam Nun... (D Georgia) retired from the Senate
Mitchell (D Maine) retired from the Senate
C Rangel (D NY) Bronze Star, Korea... he is getting old and will soon retire.

Not many more.

199 AuldTrafford  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:52am

re: #187 jwb7605

The comments are on the previous thread. Still there.

200 Tarkus289  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:56am

re: #196 jwb7605

previous thread.

201 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

The Democrats used to be an anti-Communist party with crypto-Communist supporters and members. Now the Democrat Party has been taken over outright by out-and-out neo-Communists who hide behind the 'Progressive' label. The reason we can't question their patriotism is because if we did, we'd find out that they define 'patriotism' as fixing the USA by freeing it from its archaic Constitution and its oppressive capitalist institutions.

202 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:52:00am

re: #198 shanec99

Sam Nun... (D Georgia) retired from the Senate
Mitchell (D Maine) retired from the Senate
C Rangel (D NY) Bronze Star, Korea... he is getting old and will soon retire.

Not many more.

Not a particularly stellar group. Rangel has gone moonbat in his elder years ( besides being a crook ) and the other 2 are rather partisan and living off their reputations.

203 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:52:01am

Not much of a troll, really. Half-hearted steamy BS.

204 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #197 godfrey

Why do lizards think EIDE is a troll? I'm not on regularly enough to track its posts.

I don't think he's a troll.
I think he's a Moby.

He does this brief "support McCain or Palin" type thing,
then "gets more and more depressed",
then slips in something slightly negative,
hopes for a bit of support on the negative vibes,
and so forth.

That's not a troll. They just cause trouble.
This is a Moby. Which I mentally view as a "community organizer".

205 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:53:15am

OT:

Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

206 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:53:56am

These attacks that kill mostly Muslims are ruining the cred of terrorists. It's an amazing and saddening thing to watch, but at least it demonstrates to (hopefully) most Muslims the futility and barbaric nature of these cretinous beings. We have avoided a major attack in America for a long time. Our people are doing a fantastic job, and should get much more credit and plaudits.

207 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #188 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Thank you - you say what drifts around in my mind, only I can never put it down so succinctly and precisely as you always do.

208 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #204 jwb7605

That sounds about right to me. The only interaction I've had with it shows a similar pattern. It could be a young GOPer with hand-wringing doubts, but I doubt it. No young GOPer would be so masochistic. Gotta be a Dem.

209 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:10am

The target was a western style hotel, undoubtedly chosen for that reason.
These Islamists think they can bomb themselves in to prosperity and peace.
All they will do is isolate and impoverish themselves.

210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:28am
211 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:48am

re: #200 Tarkus289

previous thread.

Sorry.
This day, so far, has attempted to focus my attention on multiple things.
"why it's Palin's fault her e-mail was hacked", "Obama associations", "Terror attack in Pakistan" ... and the day ain't over yet.

I was going to make a post on why McCain doesn't seem to be on track, but I can't find 'the perfect' subject thread to do that on.

212 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:56am

re: #210 ploome hineni

That was one hungry frog.

213 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:57:36am

From what I've seen, EIDE is a mental case. Best just to ignore "it."

214 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:01am

re: #212 godfrey

That was one hungry frog.

Perhaps he simply found the sparrow very very annoying ...

215 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:02am

re: #195 Meremortal

re: #196 jwb7605

He and they are still there, Nos. 219 and 260.

216 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:32am
217 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:33am

The NYT front section today was an orgy of leftist spin. Not an article was left untouched. Pretty impressive in a "my God, what a impressive pile of vomit" sort of way.

218 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:46am

re: #198 shanec99

Sam Nun... (D Georgia) retired from the Senate
Mitchell (D Maine) retired from the Senate
C Rangel (D NY) Bronze Star, Korea... he is getting old and will soon retire.

Not many more.

Rangel may be nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, , respectful of religion and the troops sort of person, but he is far from pluralistic and economically (i.e. free market) competitive backed

219 mfarmer1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #207 yma o hyd

Thank you - you say what drifts around in my mind, only I can never put it down so succinctly and precisely as you always do.

It was a polite way of saying that if everyone in north and south Waziristan didn't exist tomorrow morning, no one would notice any negative effects and the positives would be substantial.

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #192 mich-again

Seems to me Pakistan is more concerned with stopping US led operations than stopping Al Qaeda led operations.

There are ties between Pakistan (particularly the ISI) and the Taliban and al Qaeda going back to the days of fighting the Russians. It was a tactical operation for Pakistan then (not wanting a hostile power on the western border, in addition to India to the east). The upshot is, now there are many Islamist fellow-travelers in positions of power. How high up, how powerful and how many? I don't know.

The Pak Army's recent operations in the Tribal Areas have been notably tame and unsuccessful. Is the Army being used as a patsy, timidly inserted whenever a show is needed to satisfy American opinion? What does the Army think about this?

/oh, to be a fly on the wall of our Central Command's Pakistan directorate

221 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:06pm

These are such lovely people. And the suicide bombing custom? To die for!
Remember no culture is superior or inferior, with the exception , of you know, Western Culture.

222 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:10pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

Rangel may be nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, , respectful of religion and the troops sort of person, but he is far from pluralistic and economically (i.e. free market) competitive backed

And he called Palin disabled yesterday. Talk about someone out of touch with current events and reality?

223 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:27pm

re: #205 stuiec

OT:

Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.


This isn't a good thing in my opinion. There are far too many legitimate reasons not to vote for Sen Obama ranging from his foreign policy views, anti-military views, surrender to world wide terror viewpoints, economic views, and redistribution of the wealth viewpoints, etc...

Not voting for Sen Obama because of his race just socially throws us back decades and says more about the voter then about Sen Obamas politics. It fairly screams hypocrite, but then we have always known that about many Democrats.

224 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:39pm

Was Abraham the father of Arabs? Was Ishmael really the first Arab?

225 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:01:34pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

Yeah, basically the old Democrats I know just see themselves as a counterweight to the Capitalist Republicans. Every four to eight years, they see themselves as the Robin Hoods of the country who swoop in after years of unbridled greed and environmental desolation and redistribute some of the ill-gotten wealth to the desperate and malnourished. They genuinely see themselves this way. They are totally blinded by economic ignorance and self-righteousness.

226 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:01:48pm
227 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #197 godfrey

Why do lizards think EIDE is a troll? I'm not on regularly enough to track its posts.


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A very sneaky troll. It throws out some snarky conservative red meat, but that is a false flag. Reading posting histories is most instructive. Watch and read carefully the progression next time EIDE comes to play. There is something very sinister and creepy about EIDE, but its' cloaking device won't fool you if you read carefully.
Mr. Sandman is garden-variety, nothing special.

228 mich-again  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:02:26pm

From the Hindustan Times..

The explosion happened hours after new President Asif Ali Zardari, widower of assassinated former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, made his first address to a joint sitting of Parliament.

Theres a not so minor detail that the ABC story left out. They were too busy blaming the terror attack as revenge for US incursions against the Tollybon.

229 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:34pm

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, iirc, a certain General Petraeus will be taking over the reins regarding that particular area next month - so expect to see some changes ...

230 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:35pm

re: #215 MandyManners

Thank you.

231 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #228 mich-again

From the Hindustan Times..

Theres a not so minor detail that the ABC story left out. They were too busy blaming the terror attack as revenge for US incursions against the Tollybon.

Did he ask the Parliament for his usual 10%?

232 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:46pm

re: #214 yma o hyd

Perhaps he simply found the sparrow very very annoying ...

Nope he was a Jihadist frog... struggling to find peace and nourish himself

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:04:29pm

re: #219 mfarmer1

It was a polite way of saying that if everyone in north and south Waziristan didn't exist tomorrow morning, no one would notice any negative effects and the positives would be substantial.

Well, some of Kipling's verse would have to be appended by an explanation.

/"jes' roll to your rifle..." I think it goes

234 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:05:35pm
235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:06:02pm

re: #229 yma o hyd

Well, iirc, a certain General Petraeus will be taking over the reins regarding that particular area next month - so expect to see some changes ...

Yes!
*pray*
*pray*
*pray*

236 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:06:45pm

re: #232 shanec99

Nope he was a Jihadist frog... struggling to find peace and nourish himself

Phew - that makes sense!
And that, of course, means he cannot have been a Welsh frog!

237 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:07:06pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

And he called Palin disabled yesterday. Talk about someone out of touch with current events and reality?

rangel needs to go away quietly and try to prepare his defense.

238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:07:39pm
239 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:07:45pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

He wants to hold on until Nov. 4. If Obama is elected, he's safe.

240 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:08:35pm

re: #235 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes!
*pray*
*pray*
*pray*

Somehow, I don't think this is the kind of prayer you have in mind...

241 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:08:55pm

re: #238 ploome hineni

Patreaus will be President of the USA

Do you think he wants to be?

242 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:22pm

re: #239 Irene NYC

He wants to hold on until Nov. 4. If Obama is elected, he's safe.

As will Mayor Daley & Lots of other Democrats.

243 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:24pm

A parable:

Instead of making the same sacrifice as Abel, Cain slew his brother and was then was forced to wander, like a bedouin, until he got the bright idea that he, too, could say he had a Revelation -- which he would also use to legitimize his lust for domination.

244 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:40pm

re: #227 Meremortal

interesting. i do know when it's posting, there is considerable antagonism.

245 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:00pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

rangel needs to go away quietly and try to prepare his defense.

246 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:05pm

Sadly Americans aren't going to care because it's Pakistan.

247 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:16pm
248 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:28pm

re: #238 ploome hineni

Patreaus will be President of the USA

Here's some wishful thinking (and reveals what I think of Sarah Palin)

IF McCain decided to just do one term,
I think Sarah Palin would publicly lobby for him to run.
And I think she would accept "second banana" again if/when he offered.
And I think all that would happen early in the primary season.

249 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

rangel needs to go away quietly and try to prepare his defense.

Why is that scandals kill the GOP(Foley, Duke), but Democrat scandals don't do anything since 1994? One answer of course - the media. They hype up Foley 24/7(deservedly), but don't hype of Democrat scandals.

250 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:11:42pm

re: #239 Irene NYC

He wants to hold on until Nov. 4. If Obama is elected, he's safe.

exactly.
he's going to be in for a surprise, tho.

251 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #248 jwb7605

Here's some wishful thinking (and reveals what I think of Sarah Palin)

IF McCain decided to just do one term,
I think Sarah Palin would publicly lobby for him to run.
And I think she would accept "second banana" again if/when he offered.
And I think all that would happen early in the primary season.

In this scenario, why should he be her VP?

252 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:48pm

re: #244 nyc redneck

interesting. i do know when it's posting, there is considerable antagonism.


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We are all revealed by our posts eventually, no matter how sneaky we may try to be, or what agenda we are pushing.

253 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:53pm

afternoon lizard empire! Sorry if this has been mentioned before, as I have not had time to catch up with all the threads, but it was just mentioned on Fox News that (D) Hollis French announced that a verdict WILL be reached in the Palin/troopergate case by October 14th, regardless of whether (illegal) subpoenas are honored, or whether the Palins choose to participate in the proceedings or not.

Huh. A couple weeks before the election, they want every newspaper, grocery store tabloid, radio report and TV newscast filled with a GUILTY! verdict for Palin headline.

I'm not sure how large the kangaroo population of Alaska could be, but I'm positive the Dems have found just enough to pack the investigation....

254 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:53pm

re: #250 nyc redneck

I don't know. Could be that if he makes it to Nov. 5 he'll be feted as one of the old party stalwarts. Until then, no dem, no pelosi - nobody - is going to anger the black vote.

255 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:13:49pm

re: #249 EIDE_Interface

Why is that scandals kill the GOP(Foley, Duke), but Democrat scandals don't do anything since 1994? One answer of course - the media. They hype up Foley 24/7(deservedly), but don't hype of Democrat scandals.

Because, Democrats do not engage in scandalous behavior, merely lifestyle choices. Only Republicans can be guilty.

256 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #246 EIDE_Interface

Sadly Americans aren't going to care because it's Pakistan.

----
Classic opening. And so it begins.

Goodbye lizards, self-banning in effect for now.

257 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:14:37pm

Yet another outrage in the name of Islam.

Our thoughts are with the victims.

Barbaric.

258 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:14:51pm

re: #251 goddessoftheclassroom

In this scenario, why should he be her VP?

He wouldn't. I think she would lobby for him to try for the CIC nomination.

259 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:13pm

re: #256 Meremortal

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Classic opening. And so it begins.

Goodbye lizards, self-banning in effect for now.

Huh? Talk about a non-sequitor.

260 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:52pm

re: #238 ploome hineni

Patreaus will be President of the USA

Before that - see this, Putin!
Your fake-macho photos and fake heroic attitudes won't cut any ice with him! He's the real deal - beat that!

(Sorry - I find him very impressive, in case you hadn't noticed ...)

261 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:58pm

re: #258 jwb7605

He wouldn't. I think she would lobby for him to try for the CIC nomination.

I mistyped--why SHOULDN'T be be her VP if she served as McCain's VP?

262 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:59pm

re: #241 goddessoftheclassroom

Do you think he wants to be?

I'd need to know more about him. And of course great generals don't always make good presidents (see Grant, Ulysses S.). But he'd certainly be someone to look at should he decide to go civilian.

263 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:16:08pm

Speak its name and it appears. Never seems to work when I want it to, though.

264 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #260 yma o hyd

Before that - see this, Putin!
Your fake-macho photos and fake heroic attitudes won't cut any ice with him! He's the real deal - beat that!

(Sorry - I find him very impressive, in case you hadn't noticed ...)

Patreaus/Palin 2012 sounds good to me.

265 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:17:01pm

re: #246 EIDE_Interface

Sadly Americans aren't going to care because it's Pakistan.

Now, that's a shitty thing to say.

266 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:17:14pm

re: #259 EIDE_Interface

Huh? Talk about a non-sequitor.

Non-sequitur.

267 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Now, that's a shitty thing to say.

I mean most Americans. A small minority do care.

268 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:01pm

re: #253 runrabbitrun

afternoon lizard empire! Sorry if this has been mentioned before, as I have not had time to catch up with all the threads, but it was just mentioned on Fox News that (D) Hollis French announced that a verdict WILL be reached in the Palin/troopergate case by October 14th, regardless of whether (illegal) subpoenas are honored, or whether the Palins choose to participate in the proceedings or not.

Huh. A couple weeks before the election, they want every newspaper, grocery store tabloid, radio report and TV newscast filled with a GUILTY! verdict for Palin headline.

I'm not sure how large the kangaroo population of Alaska could be, but I'm positive the Dems have found just enough to pack the investigation....

What is even more amazing is how incidents like this, even if it were true, or the imaginary government business on a personal E-mail account are even considered heinous crimes by the media, thus in turn the average unthinking voter. She could have fired that administrator at any time. She needed no reason or justification.
At issue is why these incidents have even been made into issues.

269 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:22pm

re: #260 yma o hyd

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

270 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:35pm

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

271 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:53pm

re: #266 Occasional Reader

Non-sequitur.



Non Sequitur

272 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:09pm

re: #270 rawmuse

Half an inch, varying by season, and no, different rates.

273 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:35pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

I mean most Americans. A small minority do care.

Yep.

274 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:38pm

re: #270 rawmuse

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

'ole Plugs's hair don't grow.
Trick question!

275 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:41pm

Defense Minister Barak, Likud Chair Netanyahu set to meet in Tel Aviv (Haaretz

Interesting. Maybe I criticized Debka to soon?

276 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:42pm

When is the earliest usage of the word prosciutto in Italian?

277 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:52pm

In security terms, this shows there is no substitute for a physical set-back from vehicular traffic, if you face the risk of VBEDs. Of course, it's impossible to "bunker up" every Western-chain hotel in the world like a US embassy.

278 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:55pm

re: #272 godfrey

Half an inch, varying by season, and no, different rates.

The Winnah! Dang, that didn't take long.

279 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:21pm

re: #278 rawmuse

All you have to do is pay attention.

280 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:23pm

re: #270 rawmuse

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

= Example of how much people care about what's going on in Pakistan.

281 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:46pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

And I would not want to face him in an alley. (4th degree judo black belt, IIRC, not to mention whatever nastiness the Cagey Bee taught him.)

282 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:59pm

Oh lighten up, Edgar. We're waiting for more news.

283 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:03pm

By the way, what better Latinate surname for a general than "Petraeus"?

That's straight outta Livy or something.

284 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #276 godfrey

When is the earliest usage of the word prosciutto in Italian?

Around 6 am. "Dove il prosciutto e il caffe?"

Next question?

285 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:16pm

re: #263 Pullus Iulius
Incredible. A sock puppet?

286 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:30pm

re: #261 goddessoftheclassroom

I mistyped--why SHOULDN'T be be her VP if she served as McCain's VP?

You mistyped again :) , but typically that doesn't happen.
I'm saying that Sarah Palin would -- as a sitting vice president -- publicly say that she thinks Petraeus should be the next president.
If he took her up on the offer, she would not throw her hat in the ring as "competition".
If he accepted and immediately indicated (immediately or not) he'd like to see her remain as VP, she would accept.

I've never seen or heard of that happening, but I think that's what Sarah Palin would do.

In all cases I've seen, the VP tries for the top job.
If not successful, the winner picks somebody other than the sitting VP.
In no cases have I ever seen a sitting VP get re-nominated.

287 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:33pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

I mean most Americans. A small minority do care.

Again, that's a shitty thing to say. You're saying that the majority of Americans don't care that more than 40 people were killed by a bomb.

288 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:56pm

re: #284 Occasional Reader

lol

Prosciutto and coffee is hardcore! You get gold stars!

289 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:05pm

Wonder how much involvement ISI had in this one?

290 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:12pm

See ya Lizards. Time to go watch football. Go Irish!

291 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:20pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Again, that's a shitty thing to say. You're saying that the majority of Americans don't care that more than 40 people were killed by a bomb.

Stating a true fact is not "a shitty thing to say."

292 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:30pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

I'm not underestimating Putin, by no means.
But somewhere in the spin-off links a few days ago I linked a remarkable take on him, from The Times, where they call him 'the scholar general'.
I don't think Petraeus would underestimate Putin and his tricks for a second - but he'd know exactly how to counter them - in a very quietbiut highly effective manner.

293 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:48pm

re: #280 Edgar

Hint for you noob.

Click on the avatar of lizard find out how long they've been around and how much they've taken part.

rawmuse is an established lizard you are not.

Once you've been around awhile you know the "rules" about going off topic.

Consider this a friendly little nip on you tail.

294 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:59pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

I'd like to give you two up-dings: one for "colder than a witch's tit" and one for the overall post.

295 wright1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:01pm

I had that sick to my stomach feeling the day Mushareff was run out of town. Not that he was much better but at least he had some semblance of control. It is going to get much, much worse.

Pakistan has been trying to serve two masters for a long time. The equivocation on the part of moderates will lead to anothe junta which is they do it over there based upon their dismal history.

296 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:18pm

The Morlocks have targeted Marriott before; it was a J.W. Marriott hotel that was hit in Jakarta in August 2003.

297 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #38 Thanos

I'll be interested in the composition and source of the munitions used, this was a huge blast since the hotel is protected by k-rails and concrete blocks, the truck bomb went off at quite a distance from the hotel.

Fox was reporting 2000 lb - apparently it ruptured a gas line which caused the fire

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:45pm

re: #276 godfrey

When is the earliest usage of the word prosciutto in Italian?

Breakfast

299 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:51pm

re: #291 Edgar

Stating a true fact is not "a shitty thing to say."

What's a "true fact"?

For that matter, what's a "false fact"?

300 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #291 Edgar

A big explosion kills 150 in Malaysia. "The majority of Americans don't care."

A big explosion kills 150 in Appalachia. "The majority of Europeans don't care."

What's your point, again?

301 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:56pm

re: #283 godfrey

By the way, what better Latinate surname for a general than "Petraeus"?

That's straight outta Livy or something.

IT MEANS "BETRAY US"! ! !

/nutroots

302 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:16pm

re: #294 MandyManners

Why thank you, Mandy! That's quite a compliment.
;)

303 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:21pm

re: #293 JCM

Hint for you noob.

Click on the avatar of lizard find out how long they've been around and how much they've taken part.

rawmuse is an established lizard you are not.

Once you've been around awhile you know the "rules" about going off topic.

Consider this a friendly little nip on you tail.

Good advice!
And speaking of haircuts, I've got to sign off and go get one.

304 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:48pm

re: #293 JCM

Hint for you noob.

Click on the avatar of lizard find out how long they've been around and how much they've taken part.

rawmuse is an established lizard you are not.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

305 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:53pm

re: #291 Edgar

Stating a true fact is not "a shitty thing to say."

It's a "true fact", eh? So you have objective proof, then, measured against a quantifiable standard, right?

306 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:54pm

re: #280 Edgar

= Example of how much people care about what's going on in Pakistan.

I agree. We should just sit here silently until there are more details released and then comment.

EVERYONE ,,, STOP TYPING ,,,, NOW !

//geeezzz Louise !

307 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:59pm

re: #280 Edgar

*whack*

308 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:12pm

re: #303 jwb7605

Good advice!
And speaking of haircuts, I've got to sign off and go get one.

I already did. I'm ahead of you! I win!

309 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:20pm

re: #270 rawmuse

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

1.) about 3/4 of an inch per month.

2.) No, follicles will alternate between growth, dormacy, and shed

310 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:27pm

re: #289 Perplexed

Wonder how much involvement ISI had in this one?

Some nudge-nudge wink-wink must have been going on, thats for sure!

311 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:56pm

re: #293 JCM

LOL on the "NOOB" ,,,,,

We used to say " ya Knob" (as in door)

312 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:26pm

re: #292 yma o hyd

Militarily, I have no doubt whatsoever that General Petraeus could take on the Russian Bear. I have serious reservations, however, that we have the political will or ability to do so - unless we could guarantee Europe a safe energy supply.

313 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:28pm

re: #299 MandyManners

What's a "true fact"?

For that matter, what's a "false fact"?

Let's not get all relativistic here...

314 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:41pm

re: #297 wahabicorridor

Fox was reporting 2000 lb - apparently it ruptured a gas line which caused the fire

Very troubling. The scumbags planned this pretty "well", or got awfully lucky.

315 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:48pm

re: #298 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As far as we know, the first recorded usage was in a poem by an anonymous Genovese in 1311.

316 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:13pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

Very troubling. The scumbags planned this pretty "well", or got awfully lucky.

Probably alittle of both.

317 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:38pm

*sigh*

Kids just don't listen anymore.

318 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:45pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Again, that's a shitty thing to say. You're saying that the majority of Americans don't care that more than 40 people were killed by a bomb.

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

319 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:51pm

re: #313 Edgar

Let's not get all relativistic here...

Okey doke, then again, please give us the objective scale of "caring" that you're using, and the objective proof that "Americans don't care". Fire away.

320 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #304 Edgar

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

So your point is; this entire thread should be a constant repeat of everything that was posted earlier in the thread? Or should the entire thread be one long constant eulogy? Or a long (fill in blank) bashing thread?

If you don't want to read the OT-Don't. Easy choice.

321 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:01pm

re: #303 jwb7605

Good advice!
And speaking of haircuts, I've got to sign off and go get one.

I'm already light-headed from one earlier today.
Looking forward to communing with you in the clouds when you get back.

322 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:16pm

Heat sinks. I see heat sinks.

I'd rather talk about Italian philology while waiting for more, um, actual facts about the Islamabad bombing.

323 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:17pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

Strange how, when faced with this atrocity, your first reaction (as well as Edgar's) is some version of "this just goes to show how much America sucks".

324 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:24pm

re: #313 Edgar

Let's not get all relativistic here...

Huh?

325 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:38pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Essentially Pakistan is still an ally. You don't go around invading allies, because eventually you have none. At the moment it's an internal problem. It will be sorted out one way or another.

/now SD:STFU

326 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:41pm

US filmmaker Woody Allen, best known for such comedy classics as "Annie Hall," says it will be no laughing matter if Barack Obama fails to win the race for the White House.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Posted something about this the other day. But now this little nugget also:On Thursday, Spanish-born Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas, who is also in San Sebastian, said he is backing Obama for the sake of his daughter -- acknowledging, however, that he cannot vote as he is not a US citizen.

So a foreigner and a pedophile are now put their 2 cents in!

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:07pm

re: #304 Edgar

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

In your opinion.

328 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:25pm

re: #325 BlueCanuck

Essentially Pakistan is still an ally. You don't go around invading allies, because eventually you have none. At the moment it's an internal problem. It will be sorted out one way or another.

/now SD:STFU

Now that our erstwhile ally Musharraf is out of power, is Pakistan still an "ally"? I say we invade now and confiscate their nukes.

329 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:30pm

So "Edgar," Obama has pledged to go into Pakistan with troops. Would that be a better index of how much America "cares"?

330 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:44pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

Since when does caring about the murders of dozens of people equate to sending in the military?

331 uptight  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:52pm

Damn Buddhists

332 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:07pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Huh?

If Edgar says something, it's objectively true.

If you disagree with him, you're "getting relativistic".

Understand now?

333 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:11pm

re: #330 MandyManners

Since when does caring about the murders of dozens of people equate to sending in the military?

So it's all about gnashing of teeth and not actually doing anything about it.

334 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:21pm

re: #317 JCM

*sigh*

Kids just don't listen anymore.

Did someone say something?

335 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:22pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

That's a non sequitor. Just because we don't send in the US Cavalry to straighten out Pakistan's internal affairs doesn't mean we don't care. That is an insane standard.

336 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:31pm

re: #320 Outrider

So your point is; this entire thread should be a constant repeat of everything that was posted earlier in the thread? Or should the entire thread be one long constant eulogy? Or a long (fill in blank) bashing thread?

If you don't want to read the OT-Don't. Easy choice.

I already told you what to do in my #306 !

Right Edgar ?

337 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:34pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

So caring is demonstrated by action in a foreign country, regardless of sovereignty, consequences or cost?

338 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Now that our erstwhile ally Musharraf is out of power, is Pakistan still an "ally"? I say we invade now and confiscate their nukes.

BHO, is that you?

339 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #323 Occasional Reader

Strange how, when faced with this atrocity, your first reaction (as well as Edgar's) is some version of "this just goes to show how much America sucks".

Interesting observation. ;-)>

340 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:12pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

If Edgar says something, it's objectively true.

If you disagree with him, you're "getting relativistic".

Understand now?

Yes but, my brain hurts.

341 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:18pm

re: #337 JCM

So caring is demonstrated by action in a foreign country, regardless of sovereignty, consequences or cost?

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

342 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:25pm

re: #312 Irene NYC

Militarily, I have no doubt whatsoever that General Petraeus could take on the Russian Bear. I have serious reservations, however, that we have the political will or ability to do so - unless we could guarantee Europe a safe energy supply.

Yerrrs - and perhaps export a few spines, to be implanted into some European politicians' backs ...

As for the political will - the people on both sides of the big pond usually have that much sooner that their political 'elite', who usually dither until their backs are truly to the wall.

Gawd,Ii do loathe professional politicians!

343 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:30pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did someone say something?

I just brewed up a fresh pot of coffee, care to try the first cup?
*whistling*

344 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:32pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

a pedophile are now put their 2 cents in!

That "sex ed for kindergartners" thing really sealed the deal for Woody.

345 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:33pm

re: #339 Outrider

Interesting observation. ;-)>

Yeah keep trying to smear me.

346 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:00pm

re: #333 EIDE_Interface

So it's all about gnashing of teeth and not actually doing anything about it.

So what are you doing about it?

347 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #344 Occasional Reader

That "sex ed for kindergartners" thing really sealed the deal for Woody.

I liked that. Quick thinking.

348 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:31pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Short answer. YES!

Long answer. Until they tell us to get the hell out, or make an actual military move against us they are our ally. We don't threaten, we don't yell at them, we talk and cajole gently.

349 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:32pm

I care deeply, by the way, about seeing to it that jihadi bodies are efficiently filled with fatal, high-powered rounds.

350 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:55pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Good grief. You're fucking nuts.

351 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

So we're supposed to immediately activate which units to respond militarily? The Pakistanis don't want our military active in Pakistan.

This would be a useless knee-jerk measure.

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:16pm

re: #323 Occasional Reader

Strange how, when faced with this atrocity, your first reaction (as well as Edgar's) is some version of "this just goes to show how much America sucks".

Have you clicked to look at his avatar and his slogan beneath it?

/capital-H Hubris

353 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:33pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Now that our erstwhile ally Musharraf is out of power, is Pakistan still an "ally"? I say we invade now and confiscate their nukes.

We can send in the 1st Armored Unicorn Division.

354 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:37pm

Ugh. Just made a trip over to Washington Monthly, they seem to think that FL is now in the bag for Obama. Ugh.

355 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:50pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

Wow! Have you ever had to allocate scarce resources in your life? Deal with politically sensitive situations?

I thought not.

356 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:08pm

re: #345 EIDE_Interface

Yeah keep trying to smear me.

no need ,,, old saying ,, when someone is committing suicide ,, DON'T HELP

357 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

So we'd over ride a legally elected government, on foreign soil, to do something. And screw the world wide backlash, the inflaming of Muslims around the world, send our troops into harms way to do something.

"Do something" is a liberal disease.

Not everything can something be done, nor should it.

I understand the sentiment, but doing something needs lots of thought, especially in cases like this.

358 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:51pm

re: #355 Irene NYC

Wow! Have you ever had to allocate scarce resources in your life? Deal with politically sensitive situations?

I thought not.

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.

359 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:55pm

re: #354 EIDE_Interface

Go somewhere else and whine. If your not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. We only deal with solutions here.

360 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:13pm

FL in the bag for Obama? Why "ugh," EIDE?

361 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:29pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

We can send in the 1st Armored Unicorn Division.

They'll blind the jihadists with the sunshine flowing outta' their butts.

362 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:59pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.

SO DON'T READ.

363 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:02pm

re: #357 JCM

And sometimes doing nothing is the best option.

364 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:05pm

EIDE, Pakistan has made it clear that they will fire on American troops the next time they enter Pakistani territory. What are you going on about?

Seriously, get a grip.

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:09pm

re: #343 JCM

I just brewed up a fresh pot of coffee, care to try the first cup?
*whistling*

Think I'll let realwest try the first cup.
ohhhh reallllllllllwesssssttttt?

366 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:15pm

re: #360 godfrey

FL in the bag for Obama? Why "ugh," EIDE?

Combined with 6 point Gallup poll lead, things are looking down for McCain right now. It's almost as if the economic bomb that hit will be too much to overcome.

367 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:24pm
368 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Now, see, I think we should use of military power (and put our people in harm's way) based on calculated assessments of protecting our national security and defending our national interests.

Your criterion for doing these things is to show we care.

Okey doke.

369 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:38pm

re: #354 EIDE_Interface

Ugh. Just made a trip over to Washington Monthly, they seem to think that FL is now in the bag for Obama. Ugh.

LOL,
seriously, it's not working.

370 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:39:15pm

re: #366 EIDE_Interface

What economic problem? Markets practically gained all their losses on Friday.

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.

Oh, so now your not really for it. Does this mean that you don't care?

372 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.


Then just stay on the front page and read Charles' posts. But I have to wonder, what's all this wailing you're complaining about? And sometimes, bantering things about brings up interesting aspects or unknown facts.

Learn to speed read.

373 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:25pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

but all this wailing and everything

So now we're caring TOO MUCH?! Make up your mind.

374 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:50pm

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Think I'll let realwest try the first cup.
ohhhh reallllllllllwesssssttttt?

Oh, oh! Can I stand in for real, just this once. Promise.
/crossing fingers behind back

375 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:51pm

we need to stop talking to it.

376 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:56pm

re: #364 Irene NYC

EIDE, Pakistan has made it clear that they will fire on American troops the next time they enter Pakistani territory. What are you going on about?

Seriously, get a grip.

he/she/it isn't about to get a grip.
he/she/it is already getting precisely what it wants here.

377 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:41:08pm

re: #366 EIDE_Interface

How do you feel about that, EIDE? Do you want McCain to win?

378 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:41:48pm

re: #363 BlueCanuck

And sometimes doing nothing is the best option.

'zactly.

As much as I too would like to "do something," letting Pakistan handle things for the time being is probably best.

Yes, people will die in the violence.

But more would if we got involved.

379 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:42:22pm

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Think I'll let realwest try the first cup.
ohhhh reallllllllllwesssssttttt?

LOL!

380 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:42:26pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?

381 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:42:52pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

US filmmaker Woody Allen, best known for such comedy classics as "Annie Hall," says it will be no laughing matter if Barack Obama fails to win the race for the White House.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Posted something about this the other day. But now this little nugget also:On Thursday, Spanish-born Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas, who is also in San Sebastian, said he is backing Obama for the sake of his daughter -- acknowledging, however, that he cannot vote as he is not a US citizen.

So a foreigner and a pedophile are now put their 2 cents in!

As a satiric comedian, I hope that Allen sees the irony in his labeling a possible Obama loss as a "humiliation" and a "disgrace"... Allen is the author of all disgrace, in taking nude photos of his stepchild by his son's mother and then sexually using the young woman, and he is the father of humiliation by making a national mockery of his own relationship with his family.

382 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:22pm

re: #380 yma o hyd

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?

I say we invade Tahiti,,,,, I have relatives in the armed services and I would LOVE for them to go there!

383 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:40pm

re: #380 yma o hyd

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?


I seriously think Iran should be first.
;)

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:44:39pm

re: #379 JCM

LOL!

*grin*
This morning he was going to hold my coat (while hiding behind me from Dorian). I'm just giving him the first cup of coffee.

/generosity

385 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:44:51pm

re: #369 nyc redneck

hahahahahahahahahha

386 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:39pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

I say we invade Tahiti,,,,, I have relatives in the armed services and I would LOVE for them to go there!

Invade my house. I could do with looking at some prime U.S. Marines.

387 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #351 Perplexed

So we're supposed to immediately activate which units to respond militarily? The Pakistanis don't want our military active in Pakistan.

This would be a useless knee-jerk measure.


From what I hear, it's too late. We've been running black ops there for quite awhile - not just drones, boots on the ground. And apparently, not all those boots belong to 'regular' military.

388 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #380 yma o hyd

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?

If we truly cared we'd invade everyone, kill all the bad guys and make colonies of everyone to make sure they stand safe.

Caring. PAX Americana.

389 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:31pm

re: #386 MandyManners

Invade my house. I could do with looking at some prime U.S. Marines.

*WHACK*

/the death knell of a lizard

390 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:44pm

re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
This morning he was going to hold my coat (while hiding behind me from Dorian). I'm just giving him the first cup of coffee.

/generosity

We'd better knock it off, such frivolity is not keeping with the seriousness of the topic.

/nuke 'em all! because I care.

391 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:49pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

So now we're caring TOO MUCH?! Make up your mind.

I'm thinking: bi-polar.

392 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:53pm

re: #369 nyc redneck

LOL,
seriously, it's not working.

Yeah, I guess we all just might as well stay home on Election Day, huh? Obama's got it in the bag, after all.

[wink wink]

393 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:47:16pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

I say we invade Tahiti,,,,, I have relatives in the armed services and I would LOVE for them to go there!

Samoa - need to have Samoa as Welsh territory, for rugby purposes ...
(We really really care about that!)

394 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:47:20pm

re: #391 debutaunt

I'm thinking: bi-polar.

With an amazingly rapid spin cycle.

395 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:47:59pm

re: #383 Irene NYC

I seriously think Iran should be first.
;)

And then the Magic Kingdom - on general principle ...

396 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:48:01pm

re: #393 yma o hyd

Samoa - need to have Samoa as Welsh territory, for rugby purposes ...
(We really really care about that!)

That may be trying to bite off maori than you can chew.

397 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:12pm

Hey EIDE, I have apparently converted seven (7) registered Dems in a swing state to vote McCain. That's what they say, anyway. They all have money.

And I ain't finished.

398 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:22pm

SUB-PRIME SLIME: OBAMA AND PRITZKER

[Link: astuteblogger.blogspot.com...]

When is the MSM gonna pick up on any of this? Obama thy name is hypocrite, although I have a few other names I could call ya.

399 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:27pm

re: #381 runrabbitrun

As a satiric comedian, I hope that Allen sees the irony in his labeling a possible Obama loss as a "humiliation" and a "disgrace"... Allen is the author of all disgrace, in taking nude photos of his stepchild by his son's mother and then sexually using the young woman, and he is the father of humiliation by making a national mockery of his own relationship with his family.

he really is a disgrace. a man in his position could have opted to have a relationship w/ any number of young women. why would he break such a taboo and select his step daughter and cause so much pain in his family. and it was his family. tho he wasn't married to mia, they had been together many yrs, and had a son together, also. woody allen is a sociopath. if he didn't have film making, i bet he would be in prison. and maybe he should be anyway.

400 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:44pm

re: #389 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:52pm

re: #390 JCM

I agree. Let's care about the ISI headquarters complex in Islamabad too

402 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:59pm

re: #388 JCM

If we truly cared we'd invade everyone, kill all the bad guys and make colonies of everyone to make sure they stand safe.

Caring. PAX Americana.

Excellent idea - thats just what us Brits did about 150 years ago!
(Well, we gave up on you lot, but hey, Canada wasn't to be sneezed at, size-wise ...)

403 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:11pm

NOT OUR PROBLEM

If Muslims want to blow up other Muslims, and the Country they are in is threatening to attack our military anyway....then..

this bombing is NOT our problem.

404 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:16pm

re: #392 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I guess we all just might as well stay home on Election Day, huh? Obama's got it in the bag, after all.

[wink wink]

Yep - can't humilitae Woody Allen ...

405 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #393 yma o hyd

Samoa - need to have Samoa as Welsh territory, for rugby purposes ...
(We really really care about that!)

You're on a roll. Let's have samoa suggestions like that!

406 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:27pm

re: #385 debutaunt

hahahahahahahahahha

you're fun.
;)

407 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:52:08pm

re: #400 MandyManners

LOL!

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whew!

408 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:52:47pm

re: #396 Occasional Reader

That may be trying to bite off maori than you can chew.

Och - tiny Samoa would be just right for us - the Kiwis are chewing he Maoris (or is it the other way round?), the bastids!

409 sheepdog  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:53:13pm

O/T, watching obama on fox news, he's live In jacksonville, It's like listening to porky pig speak.

410 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:53:15pm

re: #403 WrathofG-d

NOT OUR PROBLEM

If Muslims want to blow up other Muslims, and the Country they are in is threatening to attack our military anyway....then..

this bombing is NOT our problem.

Well kinda have to disagree with ya on this one. First any instability in a country with nuclear weapons and a suspect control system is inherently dangerous for all of us. Secondly American Military personnel were killed today.

411 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:53:24pm

re: #407 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ain't nothing wrong with looking.

412 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:54:00pm

re: #409 sheepdog

O/T, watching obama on fox news, he's live In jacksonville, It's like listening to porky pig speak.

LOL,
he's not gonna like that.

413 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:54:06pm

re: #407 pre-Boomer Marine brat

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whew!

Whacklash can be brutal.

414 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:19pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Ain't nothing wrong with looking.

with your EYE teeth !?!?!?!?!?!

415 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:40pm

re: #410 Nevergiveup

I would work on heavy containment. Let them eat themselves.

I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort.

I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

416 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:48pm

re: #405 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're on a roll. Let's have samoa suggestions like that!

Heh.
Fji is another nice place which we wouldn't say no to - strictly for rugby purposes, you understand!

Tonga?
Why not ..

417 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:57:24pm

So, a joke.

Reverend Bob is meeting his friend Pete for lunch, and brings along his dog. "This dog,", the Rev. says, "is amazing... he is imbued with the Holy Spirit... and I've trained him, among other things, to identify Bible verses".

"I can't believe it, I'll have to see a demonstration," Pete says.

The Rev plunks a Bible onto the table, and the dog jumps onto a chair in front of it. "Fido... Job, Chapter three, Verse seven!" Fido immediately paws open the Bible, and plops down his paw... right under Job 3:7. "Fido... Genesis, Chapter eight, Verse six!" Fido riffs through the book with his paw, and, plop, places it under Genesis 8:6. "Fido... Gospel of Luke, Chapter eight, Verse two!" Again, Fido, plop with the paw, Luke 8:2.

"That's incredible!" Pete says. "Never seen anything like it! But I'm just wondering, does he know any more, you know, traditional dog tricks?"

"You know, I'm not really sure", the Rev says. "Let's find out. Fido... HEEL!"

Fido immediately jumps up on the table, places his paw on Pete's forehead, and shouts "I CAST THEE OUT, IRRITABLE BOWEL SYNDROME!"

418 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:57:42pm

For a good laugh, check this out...Keith Olbermann impression / impersonation

419 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:08pm

re: #415 WrathofG-d

I would work on heavy containment. Let them eat themselves.

I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort.

I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

They either get tired of it, or no one's left.

That works.

420 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:20pm

How are ZerObama's attack plans for PAHKEESTAHN coming along?

NOtwits!
NObama!

421 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:24pm

More likely a Bombadon holiday special event rather than anything to due with 7th anniversary of GWOT - Bombadon is divided into three thirds, with some significance on the change between each third.

422 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:31pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

with your EYE teeth !?!?!?!?!?!

Verboten.

423 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:05pm

re: #416 yma o hyd

Heh.
Fji is another nice place which we wouldn't say no to - strictly for rugby purposes, you understand!

Tonga?
Why not ..

I get to bring caring to Bora Bora.

424 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:07pm

re: #415 WrathofG-d

I would work on heavy containment. Let them eat themselves.

I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort.

I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

OK, but that's alittle different than not our problem. But I understand how you feel. Also when your the last great hope for humanity, the policeman of the world, and the guardians of freedom--ALL of which we are--Kinda goes with the territory.

425 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:19pm

re: #417 Occasional Reader

Good one!

426 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:27pm

Why oh why hasn't EIDE or Edgar answered our questions?

427 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:31pm

re: #403 WrathofG-d

NOT OUR PROBLEM

If Muslims want to blow up other Muslims, and the Country they are in is threatening to attack our military anyway....then..

this bombing is NOT our problem.

For several different reasons, yes it is.

It's an attack on a prominent American/Western target. It was clearly aimed at hitting, inter alia, Americans and westerners.

It seeks to foster instability in a nuclear-armed Muslim country, so that the jihadists can take advantage. It is our problem.

428 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:54pm

re: #406 nyc redneck

you're fun.
;)

Every day the people show so much humor on this site - keeps my abs in shape with all the laughing!

429 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:07pm

re: #416 yma o hyd

Heh.
Fji is another nice place which we wouldn't say no to - strictly for rugby purposes, you understand!

Tonga?
Why not ..

Bora Bora

430 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:16pm

re: #423 JCM

Why is it you never see any fish in that water?

431 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:23pm

re: #421 PETN Sandwich

Yes, but the end of Ramanda is always iffy. Can't sight the moon, etc.

432 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:34pm

re: #423 JCM

I get to bring caring to Bora Bora.

I absolutely love Bora Bora! I went there in my callow youth. I did not want to leave.

433 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:50pm

re: #423 JCM

DAMN, you beat me to Bora Bora!

434 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:01:45pm

re: #430 godfrey

Why is it you never see any fish in that water?

If you were a fish, would you hang out where you could be seen by something or someone hungry.

Fish are tasty, not stupid.
/ ;-)

435 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:12pm

re: #253 runrabbitrun

afternoon lizard empire! Sorry if this has been mentioned before, as I have not had time to catch up with all the threads, but it was just mentioned on Fox News that (D) Hollis French announced that a verdict WILL be reached in the Palin/troopergate case by October 14th, regardless of whether (illegal) subpoenas are honored, or whether the Palins choose to participate in the proceedings or not.

Huh. A couple weeks before the election, they want every newspaper, grocery store tabloid, radio report and TV newscast filled with a GUILTY! verdict for Palin headline.

I'm not sure how large the kangaroo population of Alaska could be, but I'm positive the Dems have found just enough to pack the investigation....

I have lived in Alaska for almost 40 years, and I have known a lot of these folks for a long time. Here are the main points to keep in mind about this situation....

1. While it is true that Hollis French is a democrat, the committee that voted for this investigation was composed of twice the number of republicans as democrats. The vote to investigate this was 100% yes.

2. I have heard through "back channels" that there is plenty of evidence already collected and that the report can be issued without the testimony from the subpoenas. It would have been better to have the testimony, but not entirely necessary.

3. This situation is something NO Alaskan is proud of. When Gov Palin got the nod for the VP slot, my thinking was John McCain would be sorry he ever met Sarah Palin. I still stand by that.

436 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #433 pre-Boomer Marine brat

DAMN, you beat me to Bora Bora!

I'll need a team!

437 talon_262  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:31pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Edgar's trying to school us in philosophy...

/as if we needed it

438 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:31pm

re: #426 godfrey

They have dropped their turds in the punch bowl and have moved to other areas of misery.

439 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:03:56pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Ain't nothing wrong with looking.

*grin* ... I know

After posting "death knell", I tried a quick search for "Tahitian hula" on Youtube (y'know, for the guys here.) Got deluged by slow-moving bullshit. Gave up.

/did my first three years of H.S. in Honolulu

440 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:18pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

Oh please. Somebody is asked to leave. Such a scandal. Excuses made. Boo hoo.

441 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:30pm

re: #432 rawmuse

I absolutely love Bora Bora! I went there in my callow youth. I did not want to leave.

wouldn't it have been easier to go there in a boat or plane?

442 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:35pm

re: #437 talon_262

Edgar's trying to school us in philosophy...

/as if we needed it

What's the sound of a moonbat imploding in his mothers basement?

/*TRIES to assume lotus position.*

443 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:42pm

re: #434 JCM

But they're swimming in Bora Bora. You'd think they'd have a drink and relax a bit.

444 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:46pm