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Terror Attack Destroys Marriott Hotel, Kills At Least 40

World | Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:12:40 am PDT

A gigantic truck bomb has destroyed the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan, killing at least 40 people including one member of the US military.

A massive truck bomb destroyed much of Islamabad’s most popular hotel this evening, killing at least 40 people, wounding at least 100 and leaving a crater more than 25 feet deep. Officials feared the death toll would increase by dozens as rescue teams continue work at the scene.

At approximately 8 p.m. local time, an apparent suicide bomber blew himself up as his vehicle was being checked at the security gate of the luxury Marriott Hotel. The bomb was felt as far as 15 miles away. Within 500 feet of the blast, buildings and trees were shredded by the bomb, which was believed to be the biggest in Islamabad’s history.

In the minutes after the blast, dozens of dead bodies littered what used to be the lobby of the hotel. Between the entrance and the security checkpoint, about 50 feet away, there were mounds of rubble under which more dead are feared to be buried.

At least one member of the U.S. miltary was missing at the scene of the blast and presumed dead. Other U.S. military members eating at the hotel’s restaurant sustained non-life-threatening injuries.

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1 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:13:42am

Pray for the dead and the injured.

2 jamgarr  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:16:59am

Ramabomb

3 MAV  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:17:02am

These terrorists must be hunted down and be put down like the dogs that they are.
Spits

4 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:17:21am

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

5 Jed 1899  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:17:34am

God Speed to all.
Will the Messiah call for 'get in their face' negotiations?

6 WindHorse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:19:12am

ropma

7 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

It's actually exactly like that. You don't think those locals are on the lists? (as well as shopping malls, bus stations, airports)

8 neocon hippie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:24am

This had to have been planned and executed by BushCo to further their plans of world domination of the oil market.

/

9 ZardozZ  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:27am

Animals! -- lower than dog feces... (they really hate to be associated with dogs.)

10 Syrah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:20:40am

Quiz time students.

[_] Islam means Peace.

[_] Islam means Pieces.

Pencils down, pass your papers forward.

11 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:21:23am

re: #10 Syrah

Quiz time students.

[_] Islam means Peace.

[_] Islam means Pieces.

Pencils down, pass your papers forward.

we're talking about RADICAl Islam ,, there is nothing "forward" about it

12 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:21:42am

re: #7 sattv4u2

It's actually exactly like that. You don't think those locals are on the lists? (as well as shopping malls, bus stations, airports)

I am sure London, Tel Aviv, Washington are on the list, but the security tends to be a tad more trust worthy and reliable.

13 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:23:37am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

Actually the Mariott is one of the more secure locations in the area. If you are from the US or Britain, there aren't many places you can go without causing a stir. Remember that this is the same city that gave us Lal Masjid. The Taliban warlords will own this country if the Pakistani leadership doesn't do a great deal more than they are, and soon.

14 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:23:41am

Today is the 7th Anniversary of Bushes declaration of the War on Terror.

Coincidence? I think not.

15 ZardozZ  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:23:54am

Obama has called for peaceful reconciliation -- afterall Marriott is one of those god awful oppressive American corporations that are destroying our way of life.

16 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:15am

re: #13 Thanos

Actually the Mariott is one of the more secure locations in the area. If you are from the US or Britain, there aren't many places you can go without causing a stir. Remember that this is the same city that gave us Lal Masjid. The Taliban warlords will own this country if the Pakistani leadership doesn't do a great deal more than they are, and soon.

According to some sources, a group of CIA officers just arrived in Islamabad may have been targeted. The Pakistani Tehreek e-Taliban claimed the blast which DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources note came four days after the US embassy in Sanaa was attacked by Islamic terrorists, killing seventeen people.

17 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #14 Irene NYC

Today is the 7th Anniversary of Bushes declaration of the War on Terror.

In what respect, Charly?

18 loveguru  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:26am

nothing abad in Islamabad.......

19 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:24:47am

PIMF Bushes = Bush'
(not sure hot to do possessive here)

20 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:25:35am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

According to some sources, a group of CIA officers just arrived in Islamabad may have been targeted. The Pakistani Tehreek e-Taliban claimed the blast which DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources note came four days after the US embassy in Sanaa was attacked by Islamic terrorists, killing seventeen people.

They are negotiating where the US trainers will train the Pakistan anti-terror forces at, placement of the base.

21 looking closely  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:27:17am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

According to some sources, a group of CIA officers just arrived in Islamabad may have been targeted. The Pakistani Tehreek e-Taliban claimed the blast which DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources note came four days after the US embassy in Sanaa was attacked by Islamic terrorists, killing seventeen people.

DEBKA is simply not a reliable source (to put it politely).

22 jcm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:27:24am

re: #10 Syrah

Quiz time students.

[_] Islam means Peace.

[_] Islam means Pieces.

Pencils down, pass your papers forward.

If you did not check the first one, please proceed through the door to your left and line up against the wall.

/mullah

23 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:27:55am

Again, if Pakistan does not adopt a serious policy of and campaign for counter insurgency, then they are doomed. We will see parts of the country split off, and you know who will own them. Right now it's all well-telegraphed punitive strikes that net nothing more than cannon-fodder instead of the leaders, which just brews more insurgency.

24 gymnast  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:28:14am

The single most tangible identifier of a bankrupt malignant ideology is it's use of terrorism.

25 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:28:37am

re: #17 itellu3times

re: #14 Irene NYC
Today is the 7th Anniversary of Bushes declaration of the War on Terror.
In what respect, Charly?

On September 20th, 2001, during an address to a joint session of congress and the American people, President George W. Bush formally declared war on terror when he said, "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."

26 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:29:13am
27 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:29:47am

re: #21 looking closely

DEBKA is simply not a reliable source (to put it politely).

Yes, but it's a slow news day and they get about 50% right. And with the MSM news reporting American Military deaths and injuries, it may not be that far off.

28 nigella  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:30:55am

This should be a wake up call to all those Americans who think Terrorism isn't that big a worry in this election. My question to them is: If this was a Marriott in the US, would you want Obama or McCain at the helm?You cannot, and I repeat cannot reason with terrorists. They want only one thing.....The total annihilation of Israel and the West!

29 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:31:34am

Surely by now we've figured out some way of liquidating these bastards in the mountain passes. I hope that lack of political will is the only thing holding the good guys back, because when that will reaches a certain threshold, I'd like to see these guys no more than a bloody smear on the canyon wall.

No offense.

30 LEGION  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:32:00am

The MSM is evil and should be destroyed. Better yet, ignore it, don't listen don't buy tell their advertisers. They will wither away like your tailbone.

31 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:32:23am

re: #27 Nevergiveup

Yes, but it's a slow news day and they get about 50% right. And with the MSM news reporting American Military deaths and injuries, it may not be that far off.

Debka's less reliable than Syed at the Asia times; if you understand that Syed's the mouthpiece for AQ, (he will pretty much repeat the spin they give him uncritically,) then you can pick up quite a bit of info from his articles.

32 LEGION  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:32:49am

re: #28 nigella

That's why I stay at Motel 6.
/

33 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:16am

Berlusconi: Italy will soon get nuclear plan.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Another Western Democracy plans for the future. Gee now what Western Democracy on the west side of the Atlantic is being prevented from doing that by the loyal opposition?

34 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #28 nigella

This should be a wake up call to all those Americans who think Terrorism isn't that big a worry in this election. My question to them is: If this was a Marriott in the US, would you want Obama or McCain at the helm?You cannot, and I repeat cannot reason with terrorists. They want only one thing.....The total annihilation of Israel and the West!

unfortunately, the people that don;t see it as a way will say it's the Bush policies and puppets in Paki that cause people to do this. That, and the fact that it did NOT happen here give them the (false) warm and fuzzies

35 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:21am
36 LEGION  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:33:23am

Nice new look on the icons btw.

37 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:34:07am
38 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:35:01am

I'll be interested in the composition and source of the munitions used, this was a huge blast since the hotel is protected by k-rails and concrete blocks, the truck bomb went off at quite a distance from the hotel.

39 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:35:18am

re: #31 Thanos

Debka's less reliable than Syed at the Asia times; if you understand that Syed's the mouthpiece for AQ, (he will pretty much repeat the spin they give him uncritically,) then you can pick up quite a bit of info from his articles.

Debka was ahead of most with the story about the Syrian Nuclear boom in the desert.

40 Mad Mullah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:35:32am

Is anybody surprised? Pakistan is a country were around half of the people are deranged Bin Laden supporters.

41 Lioness  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:36:57am

OT ~

Check out this link here

It seems that some Dems were threatening to take away the Jewish Groups tax exempt status if they didn't uninvite Sarah Palin.

42 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:38:14am

No surprise that it's Islamabad.

Islam ... bad ... makes perfect sense.

/I know

I'm surprised more doesn't happen in Peshawar.

43 Airedale  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:38:21am

let me get this straight, in this case, there are no civilians in Jihad. Only infidels,unbelievers and collaborators against "alla the hun"

44 Kulhwch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:38:48am

Religion of Pieces!

}:)     [ ... effing barbarians all of them ... ]

45 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:39:24am

re: #39 Nevergiveup

Debka was ahead of most with the story about the Syrian Nuclear boom in the desert.

Yes he was. But that's one hit, he's run with quite a few articles that didn't pan out. I have my own mistakes (e.g. recently I believed Pakistan military sources saying they got a Taliban leader when they were just spoofed by Taliban radio chatter, ) but with the sheer number of "things imminent" articles he runs it means that he's ocassionally going to get it right. Clock analogy fits.

46 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:41:06am

re: #31 Thanos

Debka's less reliable than Syed at the Asia times

Maybe, but their roles are totally different. Debka - for lack of a better analogy - has to play defense while Syed is playing offense. The stakes are much higher for defense - all stories need to be investigated, even if they're just rumors, because people's lives are at stake.

47 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:41:47am

re: #37 ploome hineni

what has Debka printed that was out of line? Please show me one story

I am not anti-debka. They do print some stuff that never seems to pan out. Most of it is never out right lies, but misplaced innuendo. I still think it is a good source of information, as long as you filter it properly. They have indicated an imminent US attack on Iran more than once.

48 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:42:58am

re: #46 Irene NYC

Maybe, but their roles are totally different. Debka - for lack of a better analogy - has to play defense while Syed is playing offense. The stakes are much higher for defense - all stories need to be investigated, even if they're just rumors, because people's lives are at stake.

I'm not trying to diss Debka here folks. Just like any other source, use other multiple sources to verify if you see something there.

49 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:44:51am

re: #45 Thanos

Yes he was. But that's one hit, he's run with quite a few articles that didn't pan out. I have my own mistakes (e.g. recently I believed Pakistan military sources saying they got a Taliban leader when they were just spoofed by Taliban radio chatter, ) but with the sheer number of "things imminent" articles he runs it means that he's ocassionally going to get it right. Clock analogy fits.

I don't really disagree with you. It seems Debka is less reliable now than it was years ago. I get the impression he had links to the Israeli intelligence community, but those links may be getting old and he sources are now not as well placed.

50 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:45:01am

They were saying on Fox that they don't know how many extra people were in the hotel because it's the last night of the Ramadan and people were out celebrating with their breaking the fast meal (sorry, pregnancy brain, can't remember the name of that holiday-Eid something).

You know, I never think of celebrating Christmas or Easter this way.

51 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:45:09am

re: #40 Mad Mullah

Is anybody surprised? Pakistan is a country were around half of the people are deranged Bin Laden supporters.

It's more like 28 percent, but the rest of the population is either disinterested or focused elsewhere, mostly on the political infighting.

52 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:46:23am

Wiki claims this re: Ramadan:

the word itself derived from an Arabic word *rmd as in "ramida" or "ar-ramad" denoting intense heat, scorched ground

Also the month during which an angel "revealed the Koran to Mohammad."

Cf. sura 9.

53 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:46:44am

re: #50 livefreeor die

They were saying on Fox that they don't know how many extra people were in the hotel because it's the last night of the Ramadan and people were out celebrating with their breaking the fast meal (sorry, pregnancy brain, can't remember the name of that holiday-Eid something).

You know, I never think of celebrating Christmas or Easter this way.

Yeah these animals like to bomb on holidays. Remember Passover in Netanya!

54 Thanos  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:47:19am

re: #53 Nevergiveup

Yeah these animals like to bomb on holidays. Remember Passover in Netanya!

Christmas in Bali.

55 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:47:44am

re: #41 Lioness

From the article:

"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats," said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."

Voters are tired of the Dems pushing them around, forcing their agendas on everyone. Good, it's about time.

/I've been appalled at the behavior of the democrats for years

56 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:49:29am

Feel like I dodged a bullet here. Just got back from the Marriot Hyderabad.

the security there was unlike anything I had seen in Hyd, and I thought to myself "wow.. there must be some threat they know about."


I was proposing to my girlfriend at their restaurant.

57 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:50:04am

Democrats have been saying the city isn't worth defending. Cf. Whittle's essay.

They need to be removed.

58 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:50:36am
59 Mad Mullah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:50:51am

re: #51 Thanos

It's more like 28 percent, but the rest of the population is either disinterested or focused elsewhere, mostly on the political infighting.

I've seen polls before where it was nearly half. Even if it is 28%, that's still a lot of crazy jihadists that are going to cause a whole lot of trouble.

According to poll results, bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf's support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush's approval: 9 percent.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

60 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:04am

re: #56 astronmr20

I was proposing to my girlfriend at their restaurant.

And...?

61 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:28am
A massive truck bomb destroyed much of Islamabad’s most popular hotel this evening, killing at least 40 people, wounding at least 100 and leaving a crater more than 25 feet deep. Officials feared the death toll would increase by dozens as rescue teams continue work at the scene.

It's beginning to look like Ramadan, ev'rywhere you go...

Yeah, reposted snark, but the other thread is dead.

62 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:32am

re: #60 wrenchwench

And...?

She said yes.

63 Kulhwch  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:51:54am
At approximately 8 p.m. local time, an apparent suicide bomber blew himself up as his vehicle was being checked at the security gate of the luxury Marriott Hotel.

Probably thought it was the Ramadan Inn and was chagrinned at his error ...

}:)     <ducking>

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:00am

re: #62 astronmr20

Congratulations!

65 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:02am

re: #60 wrenchwench

And...?

The lemon pie was to DIE for !

// gggaaaaahh,,, sowwy !

66 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #56 astronmr20

So, did she say yes?

67 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:13am

re: #62 astronmr20

She said yes.

Congratulations! It's nice to hear some good news today.

68 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:23am

re: #62 astronmr20

She said yes.

Congratulations!

69 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #62 astronmr20

Best wishes to you!

70 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:53:41am

Thanks!

Last time we were both in Hyderabad, the RoP hit a movie theatre we were in just days earlier.

She's moving to the states to be with me, though.

71 flynmudd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:54:10am

re: #62 astronmr20

Congratulations!

72 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:54:25am

Congrats! So, did you go to Laad Bazaar and get something nice?
;)

73 pat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:54:41am

Again we see the seemingly irrational selection of Islamic targets. Although some attribute these random targets as part of an overall plan to generate societal fear, followed by subjugation, I disagree. The targeting is opportunistic and often absolutely meaningless. It is Rage Boy on steroids. The product of religious frenzy that has no outlet or ultimate purpose, like so much of Islam.

74 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:08am

re: #51 Thanos

re: #40 Mad Mullah
Is anybody surprised? Pakistan is a country were around half of the people are deranged Bin Laden supporters.

It's more like 28 percent, but the rest of the population is either disinterested or focused elsewhere, mostly on the political infighting.

Unfortunately, the disinterested have allowed a viper to grow in their midst.

Has the countdown 'til the next military coup begun?

75 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:10am

re: #58 ploome hineni

I will not quibble with that. Just recently thought, they did print a story that Bibi and Barak ( as in Ehud ) were going to team up to prevent Livni from taking power. It doesn't appear to be bearing out? Now I am would not be surprised if some of there supporters did put out feelers to the other side, but it was probably not as big a story as Debka made it out to be.

76 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:23am

re: #72 Irene NYC

Congrats! So, did you go to Laad Bazaar and get something nice?
;)

Ahh I did! Got a pashmina for my mom and a handmade jewelry box for sis.

77 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:33am
78 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:55:36am

They blowin' it up at the hotel ramadan
And it's no surprise, bring your worst surmise

79 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:56:30am

re: #73 pat

Islamabad's the capital. They're making a play for symbolic dominance.

80 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:56:50am

Death toll now up to 60

81 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:56:57am

I want a big pewter chandelier.

82 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:01am

re: #77 ploome hineni

She's already got a ring! That's what I was giving her (:

83 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #76 astronmr20

Well, I'm sure you'll get some extra points for those - besides the ones for the bride-to-be of course!
;)

84 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:30am

I am on skype with fiancee. She says death tool now 60+

85 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:57:55am
86 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:01am

toll

87 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:24am

I must admit to 100.000% negative bias regarding Asif Zardari having the intestinal fortitude necessary for fighting the Islamists. Perhaps (I don't know) he's had an awakening, but anyone as corrupt as he cannot have developed the character that's needed now.

Unless the Army (or the rest of the PPP) acts, Pakistan is screwed.

88 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:25am

re: #84 astronmr20

I am on skype with fiancee. She says death tool now 60+

Tell her to stay back far enough so it doesn't hit 61.

89 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:58:39am

this kind of terrorist act is the perfect example why the jewish groups in nyc should not have dis-invited sarah palin from coming to the 'back-down' iran rally.
when no one speaks up these scum gain a psychological advantage.
it was disheartening to see the dems succeed in coercing the jewish people to do something so counter to their well being.
sarah palin is on their side.
obama could give a shit.

90 Airedale  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:19am

But but but... Pakistan's " department of peace" had a deal with the frontiersmen didn't they ?
"Peace in our times"

oh,
They thought you said "peace in your tombs"

91 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:44am
92 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:45am

re: #87 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I must admit to 100.000% negative bias regarding Asif Zardari having the intestinal fortitude necessary for fighting the Islamists. Perhaps (I don't know) he's had an awakening, but anyone as corrupt as he cannot have developed the character that's needed now.

Unless the Army (or the rest of the PPP) acts, Pakistan is screwed.

Agreed. See my #74 (GMTA).

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 10:59:48am

re: #62 astronmr20

Best of all possible everythings.

94 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:00:47am

re: #88 jwb7605

Tell her to stay back far enough so it doesn't hit 61.

She's in Hyderabad, India.

95 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:01:07am

re: #89 nyc redneck

this kind of terrorist act is the perfect example why the jewish groups in nyc should not have dis-invited sarah palin from coming to the 'back-down' iran rally.
when no one speaks up these scum gain a psychological advantage.
it was disheartening to see the dems succeed in coercing the jewish people to do something so counter to their well being.
sarah palin is on their side.
obama could give a shit.

Hey these are democratic liberal weenie's who happen to identify themselves as nominally Jewish. Don't group me in with these cowards. Not in MY NAME!

96 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:01:31am

re: #91 ploome hineni

I agree. Obama could've sent an RSVP or statement or lackey.

97 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:01:39am

re: #89 nyc redneck
The Jewish groups should've told the Dems to go f*ck themselves. I am seriously upset with them. Utterly spineless.

So what if they had been audited. What've they got to hide anyway?

They were supposed to stand on principle. Take the moral high ground. If they don't have that, they have nothing.

/can you tell I'm angry?

98 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:04am

re: #87 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I must admit to 100.000% negative bias regarding Asif Zardari having the intestinal fortitude necessary for fighting the Islamists. Perhaps (I don't know) he's had an awakening, but anyone as corrupt as he cannot have developed the character that's needed now.

Unless the Army (or the rest of the PPP) acts, Pakistan is screwed.

I have the feeling that the Pakistani Army will act - only question is, when ...

99 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:19am

re: #94 astronmr20

Good, that's in the south.

100 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:39am

re: #98 yma o hyd

I don't.

What will they strike at?

101 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:02:43am

re: #70 astronmr20

Thanks!

Last time we were both in Hyderabad, the RoP hit a movie theatre we were in just days earlier.

She's moving to the states to be with me, though.

Joe Biden hooking her up with a job at a Dunkin Donuts?

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

102 Right Brain  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:03:01am

re: #91 ploome hineni

The Left-overs basically are for the war on terror.

They want the terrorists to win.

103 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:03:28am

re: #99 godfrey

Yes, although it gets it's share of bombings from the RoP lately. This time last year was when they hit the movie theatre, and 23 more devices were found.

104 NR Pax  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:03:29am

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #98 yma o hyd

I have the feeling that the Pakistani Army will act - only question is, when ...

I simply HAVE to agree. Thinking the alternative is ... well ... you know.

106 realwest  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:01am

OT - SORRY Y'ALL -
CHARLES - we have us another moby/sleeper on the prior thread, a Mr. Sandman (appropriate nic) who gunned down McCain for truly specious reasons at comment #219 on that prior thread.
I noted in my #226, that Mr. Sandman:
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

And I reported it to you, because I know how much you hate it when idiots make posts out here that can be cherry picked by the LGF haters.
Just wanted you to know why I reported it to you.

107 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:45am

OT

There are always some amusing things at this blog, which I'd never heard of before: A Welsh View.

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:49am

re: #100 astronmr20

I don't.

What will they strike at?

Take over the government. A coup.

109 Russkilitlover  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:04:59am

re: #62 astronmr20

She said yes.

Congratulations! Best wishes to you and your fiancee.

110 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:05:12am

re: #101 sattv4u2

Joe Biden hooking her up with a job at a Dunkin Donuts?

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

Ha. She doesn't need Joe Biden. She works for a bank all over the world implementing anti money-laundering systems and works with INTERPOL to catch the culprits.

111 rlevitin  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:05:19am

re: #21 looking closely

DEBKA is simply not a reliable source (to put it politely).

I've heard this a few times, I have a friend who follows DEBKA religiously, can you give me some examples/reasons/proof of its unreliability?

112 BigPapa  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:05:21am

Rat bastards.

Funny, it sure seems like we're in a war. It's pretty clear that the guy who just blew himself up on purpose thinks that way.

Why doesn't many in the rest of the world think so?

113 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:06:01am

re: #97 Irene NYC

The Jewish groups should've told the Dems to go f*ck themselves. I am seriously upset with them. Utterly spineless.

So what if they had been audited. What've they got to hide anyway?

They were supposed to stand on principle. Take the moral high ground. If they don't have that, they have nothing.

/can you tell I'm angry?

And you're right to be angry.
What I find even more upsetting about this is that now far less people will attend that ralley, thus giving dinnerjacket a reason to preen, since so many Americans obviously must love him!
On top of which comes that unspeakable dinner in his honour - its a perfectly orchestrated stab in the back for Israel.

114 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:06:10am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

Or that the large explosion was some sort of accident.

115 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:06:52am

By the way, "fiance'" means something like "at one's side or hip."

/fianco is "side" in Italian.

116 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:08am

re: #97 Irene NYC

Who threatened them?

117 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:09am

re: #113 yma o hyd

Yes, divide and conquer and those stupid group leaders fell for it.

118 soccerdad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:54am

re: #4 Nevergiveup

My only thought is why do American Military hang out at such an obvious target? It is not exactly like going to a Marriott for drinks in London, Tel Aviv, or Washington?

THAT is your only thought? To blame the military guy (persons) for hanging near a little slice of home/normalcy? Spend a few months overseas and away from all things that feel 'normal' to you and you MIGHT understand. Then perhaps your FIRST thought might be 'aw shit, I feel sorry for the families" NOT to wonder why they were there in the first place.

119 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:08:56am

re: #116 MandyManners

Thus far I've only heard reports about Democratic lawyers and operatives. Names haven't been released that I've seen.

120 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:09:19am

re: #100 astronmr20

I don't.

What will they strike at?

Overturn the 'democratically elected government' and install another military dictatorship - which has to go after the terrorists to show the people that they are the only ones who can keep them safe.

In fact, come to think of, this terrorist attack may well have taken place with the connivance of some in the ISI, just to pave the way for such a dictatorship.

121 Phocid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:09:27am

Obama has gone on record saying that we should pull troops out of Iraq (the bad war) to send them to Afghanistan (the good war) and perhaps invade Pakistan. He can't very well back out of that now, how is he gonna appease the 'anti-war' loonies? Or do they just sense that he's one of them underneath all the deception?

122 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:10am

re: #115 godfrey

By the way, "fiance'" means something like "at one's side or hip."

/fianco is "side" in Italian.

I always wondered why it was so close to Fiasco!

/just sayin !

123 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:34am

re: #118 soccerdad

It is not my only thought, but being in the Military, we are often told to be discreet. If you took it the wrong way, I am sorry.

124 mfarmer1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:39am

Perhaps Paaak-eee-stahhhn should be a bit more concerned with the millions of primitive Islamofascists inside its own borders and not worry as much about "outside" forces which after all, are only picking up the slack for the failed Islamic state.

125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:45am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

GEE! Thank you SO much for pointing that OUT! I feel so much BETTER now.

/contented once again, the ostrich sticks his head back into the ground

/sarc ... just in case it's not obvious

126 SaracensAtTheGates  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:10:49am

The Pakistani "government" doesn't even control it own capital, never mind the "restive tribal regions" or the nuclear weapons in the country.

127 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:11:32am

I somehow think that the Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorists will not ultimately be successful in getting Pakistan to withdraw from Pakistan.

More likely there will be the equivalent of an 'Anbar Awakening' all across Pakistan.

128 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:12:26am

re: #119 Irene NYC

Mandy, here's the op-ed from the NYPost.

129 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:12:47am

re: #122 sattv4u2

Fiasco is "flask" or bottle. :-)

130 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:12:50am

re: #128 Irene NYC

Mandy, here's the op-ed from the NYPost.

Thanks!

131 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:13:02am

re: #97 Irene NYC

The Jewish groups should've told the Dems to go f*ck themselves. I am seriously upset with them. Utterly spineless.

So what if they had been audited. What've they got to hide anyway?

They were supposed to stand on principle. Take the moral high ground. If they don't have that, they have nothing.

/can you tell I'm angry?

it's upsetting to me, too.
they have done the bidding of the obama camp, which has only it's best interest in mind.
and now comes the 'shit slinging monkey', unobstructed.
sarah palin would have slapped that smile off his ugly face.
she would have spoken up for america and the jews.
it's disgusting how this has unfolded.

132 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:13:37am

re: #130 MandyManners

Thanks!

so a Fiance Fiasco would be a Side Bottle ,,, cool !

133 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:13:38am

Obama is a just a communist with social pretensions.

134 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:08am

re: #107 godfrey

OT

There are always some amusing things at this blog, which I'd never heard of before: A Welsh View.

Gah - ye made me look at that!
Except for the Welsh flag on top of the blog I cannot for the life of me find anything there which is Welsh - or which presents a Welsh view ...

(There's not even a blydi rugby ball in sight, not one!)

135 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:22am

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Hey these are democratic liberal weenie's who happen to identify themselves as nominally Jewish. Don't group me in with these cowards. Not in MY NAME!

ok.
(how could you think i would do that? anyway)
lol

136 Bubbaman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:28am

I couldn't imagine who would do such a thing (wink, wink) or why (wink, wink)? Couldn't they just have a dance celebrating Ramalamadingdong instead?

How will the MSM and the annointed one spin this?

137 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:14:35am

re: #132 sattv4u2

so a Fiance Fiasco would be a Side Bottle ,,, cool !

OOOPPPSS ,, that was for Godfrey @ #129

138 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:15:10am

re: #128 Irene NYC

Mandy, here's the op-ed from the NYPost.

It doesn't say who threatened them.

139 mfarmer1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:15:41am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

The authorities have to first rule out if it was just a gas leak, small meteorite, or the Mossad. The last one may take several months to investigate.

140 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:03am

re: #134 yma o hyd

lol

I know, but it's one of those miscellany sites that has a high ratio of signal to noise.

141 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:11am

re: #131 nyc redneck

Last year I went and demonstrated uptown at Columbia and midtown. This year? I think I'm staying home because I wouldn't just be protesting against Iran, I'd be certifying Obama's dirty politics.

142 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:37am

re: #91 ploome hineni

everyone should have been invited, whoever came, fine

of course, you're right. everyone should be showing up. all the pols.
the dems didn't want to come tho and had to stop sarah or it would reflect badly on them.
and the terrorists love it like this.

143 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:54am

re: #104 NR Pax

Wow. Imagine my relief to here that it's only an "apparent" suicide bomber. This is so we don't get confused by thinking the wrong thing such as an "actual" suicide bomber or someone who just happened to be delivering a lot of explosives to celebrate Eid in a few more weeks.

The suicide is incidental - it's a homicide bombing as far as I'm concerned.

144 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:16:57am

re: #138 MandyManners

I know, they haven't released names yet.

145 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:17:12am

re: #137 sattv4u2

Call her "mio fiasco al fianco," but say it with the best smoldering look you can muster.

146 NR Pax  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:17:49am

re: #139 mfarmer1

The authorities have to first rule out if it was just a gas leak, small meteorite, or the Mossad. The last one may take several months to investigate.

This is true. The Mossad are pretty sneaky types. Especially now that mind-controlling weapons are more portable.

/yes, yes

147 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:07am

re: #106 realwest

* * *
Thank you Realwest for keeping us honest!

148 soccerdad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #123 Nevergiveup

It is not my only thought, but being in the Military, we are often told to be discreet. If you took it the wrong way, I am sorry.


Accepted. I know we're told not to congregate...blah, blah, blah. I could never stay away from Bobby's bar in Glyfada (Athens), even after the bomb went off. Too many cute brits and swedes.

149 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:28am

This is just another incident in a long war. Our enemies do seem to have a gift for making enemies, though. They will kill anybody and everybody just to get a couple of Americans.

When they kill mostly fellow Muslims, noncombatant Kenyans, and so on, that earns them a measure of contempt and revulsion. Even from a literalist Islamic perspective, where is the justice and merit in constantly blowing other Muslims to bits? You can say they are martyrs, but that wears thin.

150 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:30am

re: #144 Irene NYC

I know, they haven't released names yet.

Will they ever?

151 NR Pax  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:41am

re: #143 debutaunt

The suicide is incidental - it's a homicide bombing as far as I'm concerned.

I get a lot of strange looks when I refer to these things as homicide bombings, but the label is far more accurate.

152 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:18:49am

re: #94 astronmr20

She's in Hyderabad, India.

Should work :)

153 feedupdem  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:19:51am

OT

Has anyone seen a good Fisking of the "This is Your Nation on White Privilege" anywhere?

Thanks

154 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:20:05am

it makes me sick that an opportunity is lost for our pols to unite in show of force against the fcking barbarians.

155 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:20:42am

re: #150 MandyManners

You know, Mandy, I hope that the fallout from this will be so bad that somebody's head will have to roll, or they'll get thrown under the bus, etc.

156 Bubbaman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:21:06am

Something tells me that this is the democratic Islamic face of Paki-terror-stan?

157 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:23:02am

re: #151 NR Pax

I get a lot of strange looks when I refer to these things as homicide bombings, but the label is far more accurate.

Maybe the suicide bomber was trying to quit smoking?

158 mattm  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:23:30am

ROPMA.

159 alegrias  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:24:09am

I know I'm supposed to rejoice because Lawyers are now in charge of Pakistan, remember them? Ranting and raving and burning Pres. Musharraf and Pres. Bush in effigy?

Removing Pres. Musharraf, President Bush's supposed poodle, was supposed to bring PEACE & PROSPERITY, turn back the waters, heal the earth, etc.

Same bullshit Obama's promising here in his other home away from home.

160 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:24:35am

re: #41 Lioness

OT ~

Check out this link here

It seems that some Dems were threatening to take away the Jewish Groups tax exempt status if they didn't uninvite Sarah Palin.

I've been trying to dig out more information on this part of the story. I wonder why they didn't name names, other than a vague "Democrats". The photo of Sen Clinton off to the right side had this interesting tag:

Hillary Clinton was all smiles on Sept. 18. After stopping GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin from attending a UN rally, she was out getting praised by a Jewish group at a fundraiser.
CBS


I wonder if CBS has anything backing up their allegation that Sen Clinton was behind this whole thing?

161 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:25:06am

re: #155 Irene NYC

You know, Mandy, I hope that the fallout from this will be so bad that somebody's head will have to roll, or they'll get thrown under the bus, etc.

I wonder who is left to speak Monday.? I hope someone has the balls to speak up and criticize the Democrats for making this political. Will the lack of any spine even be mentioned on the news talk shows tomorrow?

162 loveguru  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:26:45am

BTW.. here you have a better view of picture !

[Link: www.rediff.com...]

163 Syrah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:27:34am

re: #161 Nevergiveup

I wonder who is left to speak Monday.? I hope someone has the balls to speak up and criticize the Democrats for making this political. Will the lack of any spine even be mentioned on the news talk shows tomorrow?

The Dems are only judged on their good intentions. The consequences are not relevant to them.

164 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:28:12am

re: #163 Syrah

The Dems are only judged on their good intentions. The consequences are not relevant to them.

What good intentions?

165 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #155 Irene NYC

You know, Mandy, I hope that the fallout from this will be so bad that somebody's head will have to roll, or they'll get thrown under the bus, etc.

Part of me doubts we'll ever be told.

BHO could have sex with a goat on the Capitol steps at high noon and the MSM would not report it.

166 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:28:48am

You know, it is bothersome... if a civilian is mistakenly killed during a US raid on the murderous terrorists, the American left immediately calls our servicemen murderers who terrorize civilians in the dead of night (a quote from one Presidential candidate).

I wonder why we don't have a quote from him now that theIslamic "army" is targeting and murdering civilians.

The left's silence is deafening.

167 Syrah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #164 Nevergiveup

What good intentions?

The same good intentions that Carter had when he hung out the Shah of Iran because the Shah was not a nice man.

168 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:29:56am

re: #141 Irene NYC

Last year I went and demonstrated uptown at Columbia and midtown. This year? I think I'm staying home because I wouldn't just be protesting against Iran, I'd be certifying Obama's dirty politics.

i know a few people in my bldg. who are going. i would, if i was in town.
you might want to go, because the bigger the crowd the bigger the message to the jihadis. and that really is the point.

169 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:32:04am

I am watching the second to last game at Yankee Stadium on TV. What a yawn. No score in the 5th. Big question now is who will hit the last home run at the Stadium? Right now it is Robinson Cano. I just hope it is NOT A-Rod.

170 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:33:17am

re: #163 Syrah

The Dems are only judged on their good intentions. The consequences are not relevant to them.

The last time any Democrat had a good intention it was when Harry S. Truman dropped a couple of bombs to reduce the loss of American lives that was certain to accompany invasion. The bombs fell on a nation that had attacked us without provocation and is today a prosperous democracy and one of our staunchest allies in Asia.

That was the last good intention I can attribute to any Democrat. More than 60 years and waiting for another.

171 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:35:31am

re: #170 shanec99

The last time any Democrat had a good intention it was when Harry S. Truman dropped a couple of bombs to reduce the loss of American lives that was certain to accompany invasion. The bombs fell on a nation that had attacked us without provocation and is today a prosperous democracy and one of our staunchest allies in Asia.

That was the last good intention I can attribute to any Democrat. More than 60 years and waiting for another.

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

172 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:36:11am

re: #106 realwest

Your aim is true. Mr. Sandman and EIDE_Interface are two most egregious trolls extant at this time.

173 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:37:10am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

JFK recognized the value of going to the moon. Unintended consequences of advancing technology and getting spin-offs.

174 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:37:31am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

Lieberman.

175 Tarkus289  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:37:58am

Zell Miller.

176 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:38:02am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Well Leiberman is attempting to stand against the people who bombed us on 9/11 and you see how they are treating him.

177 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:38:12am

re: #172 Meremortal

Your aim is true. Mr. Sandman and EIDE_Interface are two most egregious trolls extant at this time.

EIDE_Interface is sneakier. He read Saul Alinsky's book.

178 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:38:19am

re: #149 lostlakehiker

I think this is much more than trying to kill a few Americans. This is how Islam and its laws subjugate Muslims, too. It's best to think of jihadis as the "jihadic unconscious" of the Muslim world. The "moderate" Muslims are Islam's rational side, trying to mediate between the incoherent rage for caliphate power and sexual dominance on one side, and the desire to placate "Allah" the ineffable, totalitarian void on the other. The jihadis know that they can intimidate anxious moderate Muslims, and they do an excellent job of it. They are what the milquetoast Muslim believes he should be: striving in the path of Allah, vanquishing the infidel and the evildoer, and protecting his seraglio from infidel pollutants.

179 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:39:57am

re: #176 shanec99

Well Leiberman is attempting to stand against the people who bombed us on 9/11 and you see how they are treating him.

I agree with you. Just pointing out there were a few, very few, between Truman and Liberman who were American's First!

180 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:40:26am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

it is a party w/out even lieberman, now.
no one left who you could respect all.
they would offer kerry as a statesman.
shameful.

181 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:40:37am

re: #172 Meremortal

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.

182 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:41:21am

re: #177 jwb7605

EIDE_Interface is sneakier. He read Saul Alinsky's book.


--
Correct, much sneakier. The knife goes in after the false drawing in of the victim with fake red meat.

183 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:41:35am

re: #180 nyc redneck

it is a party w/out even lieberman, now.
no one left who you could respect all.
they would offer kerry as a statesman.
shameful.

They could offer, but I ain't taking!

184 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:42:35am

re: #177 jwb7605

EIDE_Interface is sneakier. He read Saul Alinsky's book.

it reminds me a poster who used to be here, named rodan.

185 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:13am

nyc

Can we name one Democrat who is both nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, pluralistic, economically competitive, respectful of religion and the troops sort of person?

186 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #178 godfrey

I think this is much more than trying to kill a few Americans. This is how Islam and its laws subjugate Muslims, too. It's best to think of jihadis as the "jihadic unconscious" of the Muslim world. The "moderate" Muslims are Islam's rational side, trying to mediate between the incoherent rage for caliphate power and sexual dominance on one side, and the desire to placate "Allah" the ineffable, totalitarian void on the other. The jihadis know that they can intimidate anxious moderate Muslims, and they do an excellent job of it. They are what the milquetoast Muslim believes he should be: striving in the path of Allah, vanquishing the infidel and the evildoer, and protecting his seraglio from infidel pollutants.

Moderate Muslim?

How do you find moderation in a religion that reveres as its greatest prophet a man who slept with a nine year old girl.

All Muslims believe that Mohammed did no wrong anmd is to be emulated.
Which moderate person is likely to regard a man who has sex with nine year olds as a perfect man who should be emulated?

187 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:44am

re: #181 MandyManners

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.

I was going to find Mr. Sandman's posts and down-ding.
I see that is no longer possible.
Thank you, Charles and realwest.

188 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:43:51am

The fallout is predictable- the Islamists will bless the dastards (yes with a d) who did this. The majority of Muslims will say nothing or even blame it on US cross border attacks on al Qaeda, never mind the reality of thousands of Jihadis crossing into Afghanistan to reclaim the land that begot 911 to restore it to a state that will allow it to create other attacks.

Islam is predicated on the most ancient Middle East principles of hospitality and the Muslim literature and culture place the highest value on the traditions of hospitality. The father of the Arabs, Abraham, famously had a tent with four doors and he eagerly would watch for the next visitor.

But in the new world of nihilist Jihad, slaughter of the innocents, to get to a few who aren't even guilty, is the new norm. Pakistan is an Islamic country with an Islamic government and Muslim leaders. Those leaders reflect the overwhelming majority of the people of the country. That is not good enough for the killers.

The unelected mass murderers, who just killing dozens and injured hundred more, have judged then maimed and killed hundreds for the sin of seeking hospitality. The very gates of welcome that ought to protect the hotel and make its guests safe made it an easy target.

While our own system of morality condemns this misbegotten behavior, we sometimes shake it off as insignificant because some have come to just accept this as an "Islamic norm." It is not. It is a violation of all Islamic and human norms. And, since our defenses are up, it is far more a threat to Pakistan than it will ever be to us but that does not in any way place this beyond our concern, this the very depravity that gave birth to 911 and it must be hunted down and destroyed without mercy lest it lead to other 911s. This is a naked attempt to isolate Pakistan and hand it over to the barbarians. It needs to be faced head on, and whether the government of Pakistan finds the courage to confront these monsters or not, we should give not the slightest quarter to the real enemies. If we have to kill every living thing in Western Pakistan, hopefully, it never comes to that, but the one thing that must never happen is for us to allow the people who regard this barbarism as the highest calling of their faith to win.

Our hearts go out to the victims and their families but our response must be to steel our resolve and do everything in within our power to crush this human disease once and for all.

189 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:45:04am

re: #185 godfrey

nyc

Can we name one Democrat who is both nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, pluralistic, economically competitive, respectful of religion and the troops sort of person?

no, we can not.
sadly.

190 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:46:07am

re: #181 MandyManners

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.

191 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:46:58am

re: #186 shanec99

By "moderate" I always mean "functionally apostate." If a Muslim obeyed all the unabrogated injunctions in the Koran, he or she would be a sociopath.

192 mich-again  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:48:03am

Seems to me Pakistan is more concerned with stopping US led operations than stopping Al Qaeda led operations.

193 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:48:03am

re: #186 shanec99

You're right - we should lay the expression 'moderate muslim' to rest.
Under the right circumstances, any muslim can with ease (as we've seen in the last 15 years or so) be induced to become - not a 'violent' one, bt a 'true jihadi'.
Unfortunately, the violence is always there, its demanded by Mo and his book. Its always present - dormant in msot cases, but present and easily invoked.

194 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:48:15am

re: #187 jwb7605

I was going to find Mr. Sandman's posts and down-ding.
I see that is no longer possible.
Thank you, Charles and realwest.

He's not been banned.

195 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:15am

re: #181 MandyManners

Mr. Sandman just dropped another turd.


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Sorry, my full comment didn't post above for some reason. I'll just take your word Mandy, and not go have a sniff.

Looks like Mr. Sandman has met the real Mr. Sandman (Stinky) anyway.

196 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:24am

re: #194 MandyManners

He's not been banned.

Where did his post(s?) go?

197 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:24am

Why do lizards think EIDE is a troll? I'm not on regularly enough to track its posts.

198 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:42am

re: #189 nyc redneck
Sam Nun... (D Georgia) retired from the Senate
Mitchell (D Maine) retired from the Senate
C Rangel (D NY) Bronze Star, Korea... he is getting old and will soon retire.

Not many more.

199 AuldTrafford  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:52am

re: #187 jwb7605

The comments are on the previous thread. Still there.

200 Tarkus289  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:49:56am

re: #196 jwb7605

previous thread.

201 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Scoop Jackson? He was a stand up kinda guy. Helped bring down the Evil Empire. He is the kind of Democrat that would be expelled from the party today.

The Democrats used to be an anti-Communist party with crypto-Communist supporters and members. Now the Democrat Party has been taken over outright by out-and-out neo-Communists who hide behind the 'Progressive' label. The reason we can't question their patriotism is because if we did, we'd find out that they define 'patriotism' as fixing the USA by freeing it from its archaic Constitution and its oppressive capitalist institutions.

202 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:52:00am

re: #198 shanec99

Sam Nun... (D Georgia) retired from the Senate
Mitchell (D Maine) retired from the Senate
C Rangel (D NY) Bronze Star, Korea... he is getting old and will soon retire.

Not many more.

Not a particularly stellar group. Rangel has gone moonbat in his elder years ( besides being a crook ) and the other 2 are rather partisan and living off their reputations.

203 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:52:01am

Not much of a troll, really. Half-hearted steamy BS.

204 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #197 godfrey

Why do lizards think EIDE is a troll? I'm not on regularly enough to track its posts.

I don't think he's a troll.
I think he's a Moby.

He does this brief "support McCain or Palin" type thing,
then "gets more and more depressed",
then slips in something slightly negative,
hopes for a bit of support on the negative vibes,
and so forth.

That's not a troll. They just cause trouble.
This is a Moby. Which I mentally view as a "community organizer".

205 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:53:15am

OT:

Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

206 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:53:56am

These attacks that kill mostly Muslims are ruining the cred of terrorists. It's an amazing and saddening thing to watch, but at least it demonstrates to (hopefully) most Muslims the futility and barbaric nature of these cretinous beings. We have avoided a major attack in America for a long time. Our people are doing a fantastic job, and should get much more credit and plaudits.

207 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #188 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Thank you - you say what drifts around in my mind, only I can never put it down so succinctly and precisely as you always do.

208 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #204 jwb7605

That sounds about right to me. The only interaction I've had with it shows a similar pattern. It could be a young GOPer with hand-wringing doubts, but I doubt it. No young GOPer would be so masochistic. Gotta be a Dem.

209 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:10am

The target was a western style hotel, undoubtedly chosen for that reason.
These Islamists think they can bomb themselves in to prosperity and peace.
All they will do is isolate and impoverish themselves.

210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:28am
211 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:48am

re: #200 Tarkus289

previous thread.

Sorry.
This day, so far, has attempted to focus my attention on multiple things.
"why it's Palin's fault her e-mail was hacked", "Obama associations", "Terror attack in Pakistan" ... and the day ain't over yet.

I was going to make a post on why McCain doesn't seem to be on track, but I can't find 'the perfect' subject thread to do that on.

212 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:56:56am

re: #210 ploome hineni

That was one hungry frog.

213 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:57:36am

From what I've seen, EIDE is a mental case. Best just to ignore "it."

214 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:01am

re: #212 godfrey

That was one hungry frog.

Perhaps he simply found the sparrow very very annoying ...

215 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:02am

re: #195 Meremortal

re: #196 jwb7605

He and they are still there, Nos. 219 and 260.

216 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:32am
217 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:33am

The NYT front section today was an orgy of leftist spin. Not an article was left untouched. Pretty impressive in a "my God, what a impressive pile of vomit" sort of way.

218 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:58:46am

re: #198 shanec99

Sam Nun... (D Georgia) retired from the Senate
Mitchell (D Maine) retired from the Senate
C Rangel (D NY) Bronze Star, Korea... he is getting old and will soon retire.

Not many more.

Rangel may be nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, , respectful of religion and the troops sort of person, but he is far from pluralistic and economically (i.e. free market) competitive backed

219 mfarmer1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #207 yma o hyd

Thank you - you say what drifts around in my mind, only I can never put it down so succinctly and precisely as you always do.

It was a polite way of saying that if everyone in north and south Waziristan didn't exist tomorrow morning, no one would notice any negative effects and the positives would be substantial.

220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #192 mich-again

Seems to me Pakistan is more concerned with stopping US led operations than stopping Al Qaeda led operations.

There are ties between Pakistan (particularly the ISI) and the Taliban and al Qaeda going back to the days of fighting the Russians. It was a tactical operation for Pakistan then (not wanting a hostile power on the western border, in addition to India to the east). The upshot is, now there are many Islamist fellow-travelers in positions of power. How high up, how powerful and how many? I don't know.

The Pak Army's recent operations in the Tribal Areas have been notably tame and unsuccessful. Is the Army being used as a patsy, timidly inserted whenever a show is needed to satisfy American opinion? What does the Army think about this?

/oh, to be a fly on the wall of our Central Command's Pakistan directorate

221 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:06pm

These are such lovely people. And the suicide bombing custom? To die for!
Remember no culture is superior or inferior, with the exception , of you know, Western Culture.

222 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:10pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

Rangel may be nationally prominent and an unabashed, America-loving, , respectful of religion and the troops sort of person, but he is far from pluralistic and economically (i.e. free market) competitive backed

And he called Palin disabled yesterday. Talk about someone out of touch with current events and reality?

223 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:27pm

re: #205 stuiec

OT:

Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.


This isn't a good thing in my opinion. There are far too many legitimate reasons not to vote for Sen Obama ranging from his foreign policy views, anti-military views, surrender to world wide terror viewpoints, economic views, and redistribution of the wealth viewpoints, etc...

Not voting for Sen Obama because of his race just socially throws us back decades and says more about the voter then about Sen Obamas politics. It fairly screams hypocrite, but then we have always known that about many Democrats.

224 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:00:39pm

Was Abraham the father of Arabs? Was Ishmael really the first Arab?

225 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:01:34pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

Yeah, basically the old Democrats I know just see themselves as a counterweight to the Capitalist Republicans. Every four to eight years, they see themselves as the Robin Hoods of the country who swoop in after years of unbridled greed and environmental desolation and redistribute some of the ill-gotten wealth to the desperate and malnourished. They genuinely see themselves this way. They are totally blinded by economic ignorance and self-righteousness.

226 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:01:48pm
227 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #197 godfrey

Why do lizards think EIDE is a troll? I'm not on regularly enough to track its posts.


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A very sneaky troll. It throws out some snarky conservative red meat, but that is a false flag. Reading posting histories is most instructive. Watch and read carefully the progression next time EIDE comes to play. There is something very sinister and creepy about EIDE, but its' cloaking device won't fool you if you read carefully.
Mr. Sandman is garden-variety, nothing special.

228 mich-again  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:02:26pm

From the Hindustan Times..

The explosion happened hours after new President Asif Ali Zardari, widower of assassinated former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, made his first address to a joint sitting of Parliament.

Theres a not so minor detail that the ABC story left out. They were too busy blaming the terror attack as revenge for US incursions against the Tollybon.

229 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:34pm

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, iirc, a certain General Petraeus will be taking over the reins regarding that particular area next month - so expect to see some changes ...

230 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:35pm

re: #215 MandyManners

Thank you.

231 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:39pm

re: #228 mich-again

From the Hindustan Times..

Theres a not so minor detail that the ABC story left out. They were too busy blaming the terror attack as revenge for US incursions against the Tollybon.

Did he ask the Parliament for his usual 10%?

232 shanec99  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:03:46pm

re: #214 yma o hyd

Perhaps he simply found the sparrow very very annoying ...

Nope he was a Jihadist frog... struggling to find peace and nourish himself

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:04:29pm

re: #219 mfarmer1

It was a polite way of saying that if everyone in north and south Waziristan didn't exist tomorrow morning, no one would notice any negative effects and the positives would be substantial.

Well, some of Kipling's verse would have to be appended by an explanation.

/"jes' roll to your rifle..." I think it goes

234 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:05:35pm
235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:06:02pm

re: #229 yma o hyd

Well, iirc, a certain General Petraeus will be taking over the reins regarding that particular area next month - so expect to see some changes ...

Yes!
*pray*
*pray*
*pray*

236 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:06:45pm

re: #232 shanec99

Nope he was a Jihadist frog... struggling to find peace and nourish himself

Phew - that makes sense!
And that, of course, means he cannot have been a Welsh frog!

237 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:07:06pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

And he called Palin disabled yesterday. Talk about someone out of touch with current events and reality?

rangel needs to go away quietly and try to prepare his defense.

238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:07:39pm
239 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:07:45pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

He wants to hold on until Nov. 4. If Obama is elected, he's safe.

240 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:08:35pm

re: #235 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes!
*pray*
*pray*
*pray*

Somehow, I don't think this is the kind of prayer you have in mind...

241 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:08:55pm

re: #238 ploome hineni

Patreaus will be President of the USA

Do you think he wants to be?

242 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:22pm

re: #239 Irene NYC

He wants to hold on until Nov. 4. If Obama is elected, he's safe.

As will Mayor Daley & Lots of other Democrats.

243 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:24pm

A parable:

Instead of making the same sacrifice as Abel, Cain slew his brother and was then was forced to wander, like a bedouin, until he got the bright idea that he, too, could say he had a Revelation -- which he would also use to legitimize his lust for domination.

244 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:09:40pm

re: #227 Meremortal

interesting. i do know when it's posting, there is considerable antagonism.

245 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:00pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

rangel needs to go away quietly and try to prepare his defense.

246 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:05pm

Sadly Americans aren't going to care because it's Pakistan.

247 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:16pm
248 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:10:28pm

re: #238 ploome hineni

Patreaus will be President of the USA

Here's some wishful thinking (and reveals what I think of Sarah Palin)

IF McCain decided to just do one term,
I think Sarah Palin would publicly lobby for him to run.
And I think she would accept "second banana" again if/when he offered.
And I think all that would happen early in the primary season.

249 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:11:19pm

re: #237 nyc redneck

rangel needs to go away quietly and try to prepare his defense.

Why is that scandals kill the GOP(Foley, Duke), but Democrat scandals don't do anything since 1994? One answer of course - the media. They hype up Foley 24/7(deservedly), but don't hype of Democrat scandals.

250 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:11:42pm

re: #239 Irene NYC

He wants to hold on until Nov. 4. If Obama is elected, he's safe.

exactly.
he's going to be in for a surprise, tho.

251 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #248 jwb7605

Here's some wishful thinking (and reveals what I think of Sarah Palin)

IF McCain decided to just do one term,
I think Sarah Palin would publicly lobby for him to run.
And I think she would accept "second banana" again if/when he offered.
And I think all that would happen early in the primary season.

In this scenario, why should he be her VP?

252 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:48pm

re: #244 nyc redneck

interesting. i do know when it's posting, there is considerable antagonism.


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We are all revealed by our posts eventually, no matter how sneaky we may try to be, or what agenda we are pushing.

253 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:53pm

afternoon lizard empire! Sorry if this has been mentioned before, as I have not had time to catch up with all the threads, but it was just mentioned on Fox News that (D) Hollis French announced that a verdict WILL be reached in the Palin/troopergate case by October 14th, regardless of whether (illegal) subpoenas are honored, or whether the Palins choose to participate in the proceedings or not.

Huh. A couple weeks before the election, they want every newspaper, grocery store tabloid, radio report and TV newscast filled with a GUILTY! verdict for Palin headline.

I'm not sure how large the kangaroo population of Alaska could be, but I'm positive the Dems have found just enough to pack the investigation....

254 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:12:53pm

re: #250 nyc redneck

I don't know. Could be that if he makes it to Nov. 5 he'll be feted as one of the old party stalwarts. Until then, no dem, no pelosi - nobody - is going to anger the black vote.

255 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:13:49pm

re: #249 EIDE_Interface

Why is that scandals kill the GOP(Foley, Duke), but Democrat scandals don't do anything since 1994? One answer of course - the media. They hype up Foley 24/7(deservedly), but don't hype of Democrat scandals.

Because, Democrats do not engage in scandalous behavior, merely lifestyle choices. Only Republicans can be guilty.

256 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #246 EIDE_Interface

Sadly Americans aren't going to care because it's Pakistan.

----
Classic opening. And so it begins.

Goodbye lizards, self-banning in effect for now.

257 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:14:37pm

Yet another outrage in the name of Islam.

Our thoughts are with the victims.

Barbaric.

258 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:14:51pm

re: #251 goddessoftheclassroom

In this scenario, why should he be her VP?

He wouldn't. I think she would lobby for him to try for the CIC nomination.

259 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:13pm

re: #256 Meremortal

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Classic opening. And so it begins.

Goodbye lizards, self-banning in effect for now.

Huh? Talk about a non-sequitor.

260 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:52pm

re: #238 ploome hineni

Patreaus will be President of the USA

Before that - see this, Putin!
Your fake-macho photos and fake heroic attitudes won't cut any ice with him! He's the real deal - beat that!

(Sorry - I find him very impressive, in case you hadn't noticed ...)

261 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:58pm

re: #258 jwb7605

He wouldn't. I think she would lobby for him to try for the CIC nomination.

I mistyped--why SHOULDN'T be be her VP if she served as McCain's VP?

262 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:15:59pm

re: #241 goddessoftheclassroom

Do you think he wants to be?

I'd need to know more about him. And of course great generals don't always make good presidents (see Grant, Ulysses S.). But he'd certainly be someone to look at should he decide to go civilian.

263 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:16:08pm

Speak its name and it appears. Never seems to work when I want it to, though.

264 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:16:15pm

re: #260 yma o hyd

Before that - see this, Putin!
Your fake-macho photos and fake heroic attitudes won't cut any ice with him! He's the real deal - beat that!

(Sorry - I find him very impressive, in case you hadn't noticed ...)

Patreaus/Palin 2012 sounds good to me.

265 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:17:01pm

re: #246 EIDE_Interface

Sadly Americans aren't going to care because it's Pakistan.

Now, that's a shitty thing to say.

266 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:17:14pm

re: #259 EIDE_Interface

Huh? Talk about a non-sequitor.

Non-sequitur.

267 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Now, that's a shitty thing to say.

I mean most Americans. A small minority do care.

268 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:01pm

re: #253 runrabbitrun

afternoon lizard empire! Sorry if this has been mentioned before, as I have not had time to catch up with all the threads, but it was just mentioned on Fox News that (D) Hollis French announced that a verdict WILL be reached in the Palin/troopergate case by October 14th, regardless of whether (illegal) subpoenas are honored, or whether the Palins choose to participate in the proceedings or not.

Huh. A couple weeks before the election, they want every newspaper, grocery store tabloid, radio report and TV newscast filled with a GUILTY! verdict for Palin headline.

I'm not sure how large the kangaroo population of Alaska could be, but I'm positive the Dems have found just enough to pack the investigation....

What is even more amazing is how incidents like this, even if it were true, or the imaginary government business on a personal E-mail account are even considered heinous crimes by the media, thus in turn the average unthinking voter. She could have fired that administrator at any time. She needed no reason or justification.
At issue is why these incidents have even been made into issues.

269 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:22pm

re: #260 yma o hyd

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

270 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:35pm

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

271 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:18:53pm

re: #266 Occasional Reader

Non-sequitur.



Non Sequitur

272 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:09pm

re: #270 rawmuse

Half an inch, varying by season, and no, different rates.

273 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:35pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

I mean most Americans. A small minority do care.

Yep.

274 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:38pm

re: #270 rawmuse

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

'ole Plugs's hair don't grow.
Trick question!

275 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:41pm

Defense Minister Barak, Likud Chair Netanyahu set to meet in Tel Aviv (Haaretz

Interesting. Maybe I criticized Debka to soon?

276 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:42pm

When is the earliest usage of the word prosciutto in Italian?

277 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:52pm

In security terms, this shows there is no substitute for a physical set-back from vehicular traffic, if you face the risk of VBEDs. Of course, it's impossible to "bunker up" every Western-chain hotel in the world like a US embassy.

278 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:19:55pm

re: #272 godfrey

Half an inch, varying by season, and no, different rates.

The Winnah! Dang, that didn't take long.

279 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:21pm

re: #278 rawmuse

All you have to do is pay attention.

280 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:23pm

re: #270 rawmuse

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

= Example of how much people care about what's going on in Pakistan.

281 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:46pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

And I would not want to face him in an alley. (4th degree judo black belt, IIRC, not to mention whatever nastiness the Cagey Bee taught him.)

282 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:20:59pm

Oh lighten up, Edgar. We're waiting for more news.

283 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:03pm

By the way, what better Latinate surname for a general than "Petraeus"?

That's straight outta Livy or something.

284 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:13pm

re: #276 godfrey

When is the earliest usage of the word prosciutto in Italian?

Around 6 am. "Dove il prosciutto e il caffe?"

Next question?

285 yah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:16pm

re: #263 Pullus Iulius
Incredible. A sock puppet?

286 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:30pm

re: #261 goddessoftheclassroom

I mistyped--why SHOULDN'T be be her VP if she served as McCain's VP?

You mistyped again :) , but typically that doesn't happen.
I'm saying that Sarah Palin would -- as a sitting vice president -- publicly say that she thinks Petraeus should be the next president.
If he took her up on the offer, she would not throw her hat in the ring as "competition".
If he accepted and immediately indicated (immediately or not) he'd like to see her remain as VP, she would accept.

I've never seen or heard of that happening, but I think that's what Sarah Palin would do.

In all cases I've seen, the VP tries for the top job.
If not successful, the winner picks somebody other than the sitting VP.
In no cases have I ever seen a sitting VP get re-nominated.

287 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:33pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

I mean most Americans. A small minority do care.

Again, that's a shitty thing to say. You're saying that the majority of Americans don't care that more than 40 people were killed by a bomb.

288 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:22:56pm

re: #284 Occasional Reader

lol

Prosciutto and coffee is hardcore! You get gold stars!

289 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:05pm

Wonder how much involvement ISI had in this one?

290 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:12pm

See ya Lizards. Time to go watch football. Go Irish!

291 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:20pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Again, that's a shitty thing to say. You're saying that the majority of Americans don't care that more than 40 people were killed by a bomb.

Stating a true fact is not "a shitty thing to say."

292 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:30pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

I'm not underestimating Putin, by no means.
But somewhere in the spin-off links a few days ago I linked a remarkable take on him, from The Times, where they call him 'the scholar general'.
I don't think Petraeus would underestimate Putin and his tricks for a second - but he'd know exactly how to counter them - in a very quietbiut highly effective manner.

293 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:48pm

re: #280 Edgar

Hint for you noob.

Click on the avatar of lizard find out how long they've been around and how much they've taken part.

rawmuse is an established lizard you are not.

Once you've been around awhile you know the "rules" about going off topic.

Consider this a friendly little nip on you tail.

294 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:23:59pm

re: #269 Irene NYC

Um, yma...I love David Petraeus, really I do. But Putin is nobody to underestimate. The man is colder than a witch's tit and he's got the entire playbook of the KGB down cold.

I'd like to give you two up-dings: one for "colder than a witch's tit" and one for the overall post.

295 wright1  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:01pm

I had that sick to my stomach feeling the day Mushareff was run out of town. Not that he was much better but at least he had some semblance of control. It is going to get much, much worse.

Pakistan has been trying to serve two masters for a long time. The equivocation on the part of moderates will lead to anothe junta which is they do it over there based upon their dismal history.

296 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:18pm

The Morlocks have targeted Marriott before; it was a J.W. Marriott hotel that was hit in Jakarta in August 2003.

297 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #38 Thanos

I'll be interested in the composition and source of the munitions used, this was a huge blast since the hotel is protected by k-rails and concrete blocks, the truck bomb went off at quite a distance from the hotel.

Fox was reporting 2000 lb - apparently it ruptured a gas line which caused the fire

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:45pm

re: #276 godfrey

When is the earliest usage of the word prosciutto in Italian?

Breakfast

299 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:51pm

re: #291 Edgar

Stating a true fact is not "a shitty thing to say."

What's a "true fact"?

For that matter, what's a "false fact"?

300 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #291 Edgar

A big explosion kills 150 in Malaysia. "The majority of Americans don't care."

A big explosion kills 150 in Appalachia. "The majority of Europeans don't care."

What's your point, again?

301 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:24:56pm

re: #283 godfrey

By the way, what better Latinate surname for a general than "Petraeus"?

That's straight outta Livy or something.

IT MEANS "BETRAY US"! ! !

/nutroots

302 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:16pm

re: #294 MandyManners

Why thank you, Mandy! That's quite a compliment.
;)

303 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:21pm

re: #293 JCM

Hint for you noob.

Click on the avatar of lizard find out how long they've been around and how much they've taken part.

rawmuse is an established lizard you are not.

Once you've been around awhile you know the "rules" about going off topic.

Consider this a friendly little nip on you tail.

Good advice!
And speaking of haircuts, I've got to sign off and go get one.

304 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:48pm

re: #293 JCM

Hint for you noob.

Click on the avatar of lizard find out how long they've been around and how much they've taken part.

rawmuse is an established lizard you are not.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

305 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:53pm

re: #291 Edgar

Stating a true fact is not "a shitty thing to say."

It's a "true fact", eh? So you have objective proof, then, measured against a quantifiable standard, right?

306 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:54pm

re: #280 Edgar

= Example of how much people care about what's going on in Pakistan.

I agree. We should just sit here silently until there are more details released and then comment.

EVERYONE ,,, STOP TYPING ,,,, NOW !

//geeezzz Louise !

307 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:25:59pm

re: #280 Edgar

*whack*

308 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:12pm

re: #303 jwb7605

Good advice!
And speaking of haircuts, I've got to sign off and go get one.

I already did. I'm ahead of you! I win!

309 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:20pm

re: #270 rawmuse

OK Lizards, time for the daily TRIVIA DOUBLE QUIZ.

Today's topic is human hair.

How long will it grow in a month?
and
Do all the hairs on your head grow at a uniform rate?

1.) about 3/4 of an inch per month.

2.) No, follicles will alternate between growth, dormacy, and shed

310 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:27pm

re: #289 Perplexed

Wonder how much involvement ISI had in this one?

Some nudge-nudge wink-wink must have been going on, thats for sure!

311 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:26:56pm

re: #293 JCM

LOL on the "NOOB" ,,,,,

We used to say " ya Knob" (as in door)

312 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:26pm

re: #292 yma o hyd

Militarily, I have no doubt whatsoever that General Petraeus could take on the Russian Bear. I have serious reservations, however, that we have the political will or ability to do so - unless we could guarantee Europe a safe energy supply.

313 Edgar  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:28pm

re: #299 MandyManners

What's a "true fact"?

For that matter, what's a "false fact"?

Let's not get all relativistic here...

314 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:41pm

re: #297 wahabicorridor

Fox was reporting 2000 lb - apparently it ruptured a gas line which caused the fire

Very troubling. The scumbags planned this pretty "well", or got awfully lucky.

315 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:27:48pm

re: #298 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As far as we know, the first recorded usage was in a poem by an anonymous Genovese in 1311.

316 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:13pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

Very troubling. The scumbags planned this pretty "well", or got awfully lucky.

Probably alittle of both.

317 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:38pm

*sigh*

Kids just don't listen anymore.

318 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:45pm

re: #287 MandyManners

Again, that's a shitty thing to say. You're saying that the majority of Americans don't care that more than 40 people were killed by a bomb.

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

319 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:28:51pm

re: #313 Edgar

Let's not get all relativistic here...

Okey doke, then again, please give us the objective scale of "caring" that you're using, and the objective proof that "Americans don't care". Fire away.

320 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:29:58pm

re: #304 Edgar

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

So your point is; this entire thread should be a constant repeat of everything that was posted earlier in the thread? Or should the entire thread be one long constant eulogy? Or a long (fill in blank) bashing thread?

If you don't want to read the OT-Don't. Easy choice.

321 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:01pm

re: #303 jwb7605

Good advice!
And speaking of haircuts, I've got to sign off and go get one.

I'm already light-headed from one earlier today.
Looking forward to communing with you in the clouds when you get back.

322 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:16pm

Heat sinks. I see heat sinks.

I'd rather talk about Italian philology while waiting for more, um, actual facts about the Islamabad bombing.

323 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:17pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

Strange how, when faced with this atrocity, your first reaction (as well as Edgar's) is some version of "this just goes to show how much America sucks".

324 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:24pm

re: #313 Edgar

Let's not get all relativistic here...

Huh?

325 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:38pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Essentially Pakistan is still an ally. You don't go around invading allies, because eventually you have none. At the moment it's an internal problem. It will be sorted out one way or another.

/now SD:STFU

326 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:30:41pm

US filmmaker Woody Allen, best known for such comedy classics as "Annie Hall," says it will be no laughing matter if Barack Obama fails to win the race for the White House.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Posted something about this the other day. But now this little nugget also:On Thursday, Spanish-born Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas, who is also in San Sebastian, said he is backing Obama for the sake of his daughter -- acknowledging, however, that he cannot vote as he is not a US citizen.

So a foreigner and a pedophile are now put their 2 cents in!

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:07pm

re: #304 Edgar

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

In your opinion.

328 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:25pm

re: #325 BlueCanuck

Essentially Pakistan is still an ally. You don't go around invading allies, because eventually you have none. At the moment it's an internal problem. It will be sorted out one way or another.

/now SD:STFU

Now that our erstwhile ally Musharraf is out of power, is Pakistan still an "ally"? I say we invade now and confiscate their nukes.

329 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:30pm

So "Edgar," Obama has pledged to go into Pakistan with troops. Would that be a better index of how much America "cares"?

330 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:44pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

Since when does caring about the murders of dozens of people equate to sending in the military?

331 uptight  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:31:52pm

Damn Buddhists

332 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:07pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Huh?

If Edgar says something, it's objectively true.

If you disagree with him, you're "getting relativistic".

Understand now?

333 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:11pm

re: #330 MandyManners

Since when does caring about the murders of dozens of people equate to sending in the military?

So it's all about gnashing of teeth and not actually doing anything about it.

334 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:21pm

re: #317 JCM

*sigh*

Kids just don't listen anymore.

Did someone say something?

335 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:22pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

That's a non sequitor. Just because we don't send in the US Cavalry to straighten out Pakistan's internal affairs doesn't mean we don't care. That is an insane standard.

336 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:31pm

re: #320 Outrider

So your point is; this entire thread should be a constant repeat of everything that was posted earlier in the thread? Or should the entire thread be one long constant eulogy? Or a long (fill in blank) bashing thread?

If you don't want to read the OT-Don't. Easy choice.

I already told you what to do in my #306 !

Right Edgar ?

337 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:34pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

Well do they? Are we mobilizing our military to crush the forces that conduct those bombings in Pakistan? Is there a political will to do it? No.

So caring is demonstrated by action in a foreign country, regardless of sovereignty, consequences or cost?

338 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Now that our erstwhile ally Musharraf is out of power, is Pakistan still an "ally"? I say we invade now and confiscate their nukes.

BHO, is that you?

339 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #323 Occasional Reader

Strange how, when faced with this atrocity, your first reaction (as well as Edgar's) is some version of "this just goes to show how much America sucks".

Interesting observation. ;-)>

340 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:12pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

If Edgar says something, it's objectively true.

If you disagree with him, you're "getting relativistic".

Understand now?

Yes but, my brain hurts.

341 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:18pm

re: #337 JCM

So caring is demonstrated by action in a foreign country, regardless of sovereignty, consequences or cost?

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

342 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:25pm

re: #312 Irene NYC

Militarily, I have no doubt whatsoever that General Petraeus could take on the Russian Bear. I have serious reservations, however, that we have the political will or ability to do so - unless we could guarantee Europe a safe energy supply.

Yerrrs - and perhaps export a few spines, to be implanted into some European politicians' backs ...

As for the political will - the people on both sides of the big pond usually have that much sooner that their political 'elite', who usually dither until their backs are truly to the wall.

Gawd,Ii do loathe professional politicians!

343 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:30pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did someone say something?

I just brewed up a fresh pot of coffee, care to try the first cup?
*whistling*

344 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:32pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

a pedophile are now put their 2 cents in!

That "sex ed for kindergartners" thing really sealed the deal for Woody.

345 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:33:33pm

re: #339 Outrider

Interesting observation. ;-)>

Yeah keep trying to smear me.

346 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:00pm

re: #333 EIDE_Interface

So it's all about gnashing of teeth and not actually doing anything about it.

So what are you doing about it?

347 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #344 Occasional Reader

That "sex ed for kindergartners" thing really sealed the deal for Woody.

I liked that. Quick thinking.

348 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:31pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Short answer. YES!

Long answer. Until they tell us to get the hell out, or make an actual military move against us they are our ally. We don't threaten, we don't yell at them, we talk and cajole gently.

349 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:32pm

I care deeply, by the way, about seeing to it that jihadi bodies are efficiently filled with fatal, high-powered rounds.

350 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:34:55pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Good grief. You're fucking nuts.

351 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #318 EIDE_Interface

So we're supposed to immediately activate which units to respond militarily? The Pakistanis don't want our military active in Pakistan.

This would be a useless knee-jerk measure.

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:16pm

re: #323 Occasional Reader

Strange how, when faced with this atrocity, your first reaction (as well as Edgar's) is some version of "this just goes to show how much America sucks".

Have you clicked to look at his avatar and his slogan beneath it?

/capital-H Hubris

353 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:33pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Now that our erstwhile ally Musharraf is out of power, is Pakistan still an "ally"? I say we invade now and confiscate their nukes.

We can send in the 1st Armored Unicorn Division.

354 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:37pm

Ugh. Just made a trip over to Washington Monthly, they seem to think that FL is now in the bag for Obama. Ugh.

355 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:35:50pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

Wow! Have you ever had to allocate scarce resources in your life? Deal with politically sensitive situations?

I thought not.

356 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:08pm

re: #345 EIDE_Interface

Yeah keep trying to smear me.

no need ,,, old saying ,, when someone is committing suicide ,, DON'T HELP

357 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:42pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

So we'd over ride a legally elected government, on foreign soil, to do something. And screw the world wide backlash, the inflaming of Muslims around the world, send our troops into harms way to do something.

"Do something" is a liberal disease.

Not everything can something be done, nor should it.

I understand the sentiment, but doing something needs lots of thought, especially in cases like this.

358 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:51pm

re: #355 Irene NYC

Wow! Have you ever had to allocate scarce resources in your life? Deal with politically sensitive situations?

I thought not.

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.

359 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:36:55pm

re: #354 EIDE_Interface

Go somewhere else and whine. If your not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. We only deal with solutions here.

360 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:13pm

FL in the bag for Obama? Why "ugh," EIDE?

361 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:29pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

We can send in the 1st Armored Unicorn Division.

They'll blind the jihadists with the sunshine flowing outta' their butts.

362 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:37:59pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.

SO DON'T READ.

363 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:02pm

re: #357 JCM

And sometimes doing nothing is the best option.

364 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:05pm

EIDE, Pakistan has made it clear that they will fire on American troops the next time they enter Pakistani territory. What are you going on about?

Seriously, get a grip.

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:09pm

re: #343 JCM

I just brewed up a fresh pot of coffee, care to try the first cup?
*whistling*

Think I'll let realwest try the first cup.
ohhhh reallllllllllwesssssttttt?

366 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:15pm

re: #360 godfrey

FL in the bag for Obama? Why "ugh," EIDE?

Combined with 6 point Gallup poll lead, things are looking down for McCain right now. It's almost as if the economic bomb that hit will be too much to overcome.

367 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:24pm
368 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:30pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Now, see, I think we should use of military power (and put our people in harm's way) based on calculated assessments of protecting our national security and defending our national interests.

Your criterion for doing these things is to show we care.

Okey doke.

369 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:38:38pm

re: #354 EIDE_Interface

Ugh. Just made a trip over to Washington Monthly, they seem to think that FL is now in the bag for Obama. Ugh.

LOL,
seriously, it's not working.

370 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:39:15pm

re: #366 EIDE_Interface

What economic problem? Markets practically gained all their losses on Friday.

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.

Oh, so now your not really for it. Does this mean that you don't care?

372 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:39:54pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

Hey I'm not really for invading Pakistan, but all this wailing and everything won't solve the problem either.


Then just stay on the front page and read Charles' posts. But I have to wonder, what's all this wailing you're complaining about? And sometimes, bantering things about brings up interesting aspects or unknown facts.

Learn to speed read.

373 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:25pm

re: #358 EIDE_Interface

but all this wailing and everything

So now we're caring TOO MUCH?! Make up your mind.

374 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:50pm

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Think I'll let realwest try the first cup.
ohhhh reallllllllllwesssssttttt?

Oh, oh! Can I stand in for real, just this once. Promise.
/crossing fingers behind back

375 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:51pm

we need to stop talking to it.

376 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:40:56pm

re: #364 Irene NYC

EIDE, Pakistan has made it clear that they will fire on American troops the next time they enter Pakistani territory. What are you going on about?

Seriously, get a grip.

he/she/it isn't about to get a grip.
he/she/it is already getting precisely what it wants here.

377 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:41:08pm

re: #366 EIDE_Interface

How do you feel about that, EIDE? Do you want McCain to win?

378 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:41:48pm

re: #363 BlueCanuck

And sometimes doing nothing is the best option.

'zactly.

As much as I too would like to "do something," letting Pakistan handle things for the time being is probably best.

Yes, people will die in the violence.

But more would if we got involved.

379 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:42:22pm

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Think I'll let realwest try the first cup.
ohhhh reallllllllllwesssssttttt?

LOL!

380 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:42:26pm

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?

381 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:42:52pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

US filmmaker Woody Allen, best known for such comedy classics as "Annie Hall," says it will be no laughing matter if Barack Obama fails to win the race for the White House.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Posted something about this the other day. But now this little nugget also:On Thursday, Spanish-born Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas, who is also in San Sebastian, said he is backing Obama for the sake of his daughter -- acknowledging, however, that he cannot vote as he is not a US citizen.

So a foreigner and a pedophile are now put their 2 cents in!

As a satiric comedian, I hope that Allen sees the irony in his labeling a possible Obama loss as a "humiliation" and a "disgrace"... Allen is the author of all disgrace, in taking nude photos of his stepchild by his son's mother and then sexually using the young woman, and he is the father of humiliation by making a national mockery of his own relationship with his family.

382 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:22pm

re: #380 yma o hyd

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?

I say we invade Tahiti,,,,, I have relatives in the armed services and I would LOVE for them to go there!

383 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:43:40pm

re: #380 yma o hyd

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?


I seriously think Iran should be first.
;)

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:44:39pm

re: #379 JCM

LOL!

*grin*
This morning he was going to hold my coat (while hiding behind me from Dorian). I'm just giving him the first cup of coffee.

/generosity

385 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:44:51pm

re: #369 nyc redneck

hahahahahahahahahha

386 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:39pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

I say we invade Tahiti,,,,, I have relatives in the armed services and I would LOVE for them to go there!

Invade my house. I could do with looking at some prime U.S. Marines.

387 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #351 Perplexed

So we're supposed to immediately activate which units to respond militarily? The Pakistanis don't want our military active in Pakistan.

This would be a useless knee-jerk measure.


From what I hear, it's too late. We've been running black ops there for quite awhile - not just drones, boots on the ground. And apparently, not all those boots belong to 'regular' military.

388 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #380 yma o hyd

Why not invade Yemen as well?
It was the US Embassy which got attacked, was it not?

Or does the Yemen not count because it has no nukes?

If we truly cared we'd invade everyone, kill all the bad guys and make colonies of everyone to make sure they stand safe.

Caring. PAX Americana.

389 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:31pm

re: #386 MandyManners

Invade my house. I could do with looking at some prime U.S. Marines.

*WHACK*

/the death knell of a lizard

390 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:44pm

re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
This morning he was going to hold my coat (while hiding behind me from Dorian). I'm just giving him the first cup of coffee.

/generosity

We'd better knock it off, such frivolity is not keeping with the seriousness of the topic.

/nuke 'em all! because I care.

391 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:49pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

So now we're caring TOO MUCH?! Make up your mind.

I'm thinking: bi-polar.

392 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:46:53pm

re: #369 nyc redneck

LOL,
seriously, it's not working.

Yeah, I guess we all just might as well stay home on Election Day, huh? Obama's got it in the bag, after all.

[wink wink]

393 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:47:16pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

I say we invade Tahiti,,,,, I have relatives in the armed services and I would LOVE for them to go there!

Samoa - need to have Samoa as Welsh territory, for rugby purposes ...
(We really really care about that!)

394 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:47:20pm

re: #391 debutaunt

I'm thinking: bi-polar.

With an amazingly rapid spin cycle.

395 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:47:59pm

re: #383 Irene NYC

I seriously think Iran should be first.
;)

And then the Magic Kingdom - on general principle ...

396 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:48:01pm

re: #393 yma o hyd

Samoa - need to have Samoa as Welsh territory, for rugby purposes ...
(We really really care about that!)

That may be trying to bite off maori than you can chew.

397 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:12pm

Hey EIDE, I have apparently converted seven (7) registered Dems in a swing state to vote McCain. That's what they say, anyway. They all have money.

And I ain't finished.

398 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:22pm

SUB-PRIME SLIME: OBAMA AND PRITZKER

[Link: astuteblogger.blogspot.com...]

When is the MSM gonna pick up on any of this? Obama thy name is hypocrite, although I have a few other names I could call ya.

399 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:27pm

re: #381 runrabbitrun

As a satiric comedian, I hope that Allen sees the irony in his labeling a possible Obama loss as a "humiliation" and a "disgrace"... Allen is the author of all disgrace, in taking nude photos of his stepchild by his son's mother and then sexually using the young woman, and he is the father of humiliation by making a national mockery of his own relationship with his family.

he really is a disgrace. a man in his position could have opted to have a relationship w/ any number of young women. why would he break such a taboo and select his step daughter and cause so much pain in his family. and it was his family. tho he wasn't married to mia, they had been together many yrs, and had a son together, also. woody allen is a sociopath. if he didn't have film making, i bet he would be in prison. and maybe he should be anyway.

400 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:44pm

re: #389 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:52pm

re: #390 JCM

I agree. Let's care about the ISI headquarters complex in Islamabad too

402 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:49:59pm

re: #388 JCM

If we truly cared we'd invade everyone, kill all the bad guys and make colonies of everyone to make sure they stand safe.

Caring. PAX Americana.

Excellent idea - thats just what us Brits did about 150 years ago!
(Well, we gave up on you lot, but hey, Canada wasn't to be sneezed at, size-wise ...)

403 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:11pm

NOT OUR PROBLEM

If Muslims want to blow up other Muslims, and the Country they are in is threatening to attack our military anyway....then..

this bombing is NOT our problem.

404 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:16pm

re: #392 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I guess we all just might as well stay home on Election Day, huh? Obama's got it in the bag, after all.

[wink wink]

Yep - can't humilitae Woody Allen ...

405 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:19pm

re: #393 yma o hyd

Samoa - need to have Samoa as Welsh territory, for rugby purposes ...
(We really really care about that!)

You're on a roll. Let's have samoa suggestions like that!

406 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:51:27pm

re: #385 debutaunt

hahahahahahahahahha

you're fun.
;)

407 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:52:08pm

re: #400 MandyManners

LOL!

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.
.
.

whew!

408 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:52:47pm

re: #396 Occasional Reader

That may be trying to bite off maori than you can chew.

Och - tiny Samoa would be just right for us - the Kiwis are chewing he Maoris (or is it the other way round?), the bastids!

409 sheepdog  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:53:13pm

O/T, watching obama on fox news, he's live In jacksonville, It's like listening to porky pig speak.

410 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:53:15pm

re: #403 WrathofG-d

NOT OUR PROBLEM

If Muslims want to blow up other Muslims, and the Country they are in is threatening to attack our military anyway....then..

this bombing is NOT our problem.

Well kinda have to disagree with ya on this one. First any instability in a country with nuclear weapons and a suspect control system is inherently dangerous for all of us. Secondly American Military personnel were killed today.

411 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:53:24pm

re: #407 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ain't nothing wrong with looking.

412 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:54:00pm

re: #409 sheepdog

O/T, watching obama on fox news, he's live In jacksonville, It's like listening to porky pig speak.

LOL,
he's not gonna like that.

413 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:54:06pm

re: #407 pre-Boomer Marine brat

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whew!

Whacklash can be brutal.

414 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:19pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Ain't nothing wrong with looking.

with your EYE teeth !?!?!?!?!?!

415 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:40pm

re: #410 Nevergiveup

I would work on heavy containment. Let them eat themselves.

I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort.

I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

416 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:55:48pm

re: #405 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're on a roll. Let's have samoa suggestions like that!

Heh.
Fji is another nice place which we wouldn't say no to - strictly for rugby purposes, you understand!

Tonga?
Why not ..

417 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:57:24pm

So, a joke.

Reverend Bob is meeting his friend Pete for lunch, and brings along his dog. "This dog,", the Rev. says, "is amazing... he is imbued with the Holy Spirit... and I've trained him, among other things, to identify Bible verses".

"I can't believe it, I'll have to see a demonstration," Pete says.

The Rev plunks a Bible onto the table, and the dog jumps onto a chair in front of it. "Fido... Job, Chapter three, Verse seven!" Fido immediately paws open the Bible, and plops down his paw... right under Job 3:7. "Fido... Genesis, Chapter eight, Verse six!" Fido riffs through the book with his paw, and, plop, places it under Genesis 8:6. "Fido... Gospel of Luke, Chapter eight, Verse two!" Again, Fido, plop with the paw, Luke 8:2.

"That's incredible!" Pete says. "Never seen anything like it! But I'm just wondering, does he know any more, you know, traditional dog tricks?"

"You know, I'm not really sure", the Rev says. "Let's find out. Fido... HEEL!"

Fido immediately jumps up on the table, places his paw on Pete's forehead, and shouts "I CAST THEE OUT, IRRITABLE BOWEL SYNDROME!"

418 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:57:42pm

For a good laugh, check this out...Keith Olbermann impression / impersonation

419 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:08pm

re: #415 WrathofG-d

I would work on heavy containment. Let them eat themselves.

I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort.

I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

They either get tired of it, or no one's left.

That works.

420 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:20pm

How are ZerObama's attack plans for PAHKEESTAHN coming along?

NOtwits!
NObama!

421 PETN Sandwich  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:24pm

More likely a Bombadon holiday special event rather than anything to due with 7th anniversary of GWOT - Bombadon is divided into three thirds, with some significance on the change between each third.

422 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:58:31pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

with your EYE teeth !?!?!?!?!?!

Verboten.

423 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:05pm

re: #416 yma o hyd

Heh.
Fji is another nice place which we wouldn't say no to - strictly for rugby purposes, you understand!

Tonga?
Why not ..

I get to bring caring to Bora Bora.

424 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:07pm

re: #415 WrathofG-d

I would work on heavy containment. Let them eat themselves.

I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort.

I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

OK, but that's alittle different than not our problem. But I understand how you feel. Also when your the last great hope for humanity, the policeman of the world, and the guardians of freedom--ALL of which we are--Kinda goes with the territory.

425 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:19pm

re: #417 Occasional Reader

Good one!

426 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:27pm

Why oh why hasn't EIDE or Edgar answered our questions?

427 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:31pm

re: #403 WrathofG-d

NOT OUR PROBLEM

If Muslims want to blow up other Muslims, and the Country they are in is threatening to attack our military anyway....then..

this bombing is NOT our problem.

For several different reasons, yes it is.

It's an attack on a prominent American/Western target. It was clearly aimed at hitting, inter alia, Americans and westerners.

It seeks to foster instability in a nuclear-armed Muslim country, so that the jihadists can take advantage. It is our problem.

428 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 12:59:54pm

re: #406 nyc redneck

you're fun.
;)

Every day the people show so much humor on this site - keeps my abs in shape with all the laughing!

429 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:07pm

re: #416 yma o hyd

Heh.
Fji is another nice place which we wouldn't say no to - strictly for rugby purposes, you understand!

Tonga?
Why not ..

Bora Bora

430 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:16pm

re: #423 JCM

Why is it you never see any fish in that water?

431 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:23pm

re: #421 PETN Sandwich

Yes, but the end of Ramanda is always iffy. Can't sight the moon, etc.

432 rawmuse  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:34pm

re: #423 JCM

I get to bring caring to Bora Bora.

I absolutely love Bora Bora! I went there in my callow youth. I did not want to leave.

433 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:00:50pm

re: #423 JCM

DAMN, you beat me to Bora Bora!

434 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:01:45pm

re: #430 godfrey

Why is it you never see any fish in that water?

If you were a fish, would you hang out where you could be seen by something or someone hungry.

Fish are tasty, not stupid.
/ ;-)

435 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:12pm

re: #253 runrabbitrun

afternoon lizard empire! Sorry if this has been mentioned before, as I have not had time to catch up with all the threads, but it was just mentioned on Fox News that (D) Hollis French announced that a verdict WILL be reached in the Palin/troopergate case by October 14th, regardless of whether (illegal) subpoenas are honored, or whether the Palins choose to participate in the proceedings or not.

Huh. A couple weeks before the election, they want every newspaper, grocery store tabloid, radio report and TV newscast filled with a GUILTY! verdict for Palin headline.

I'm not sure how large the kangaroo population of Alaska could be, but I'm positive the Dems have found just enough to pack the investigation....

I have lived in Alaska for almost 40 years, and I have known a lot of these folks for a long time. Here are the main points to keep in mind about this situation....

1. While it is true that Hollis French is a democrat, the committee that voted for this investigation was composed of twice the number of republicans as democrats. The vote to investigate this was 100% yes.

2. I have heard through "back channels" that there is plenty of evidence already collected and that the report can be issued without the testimony from the subpoenas. It would have been better to have the testimony, but not entirely necessary.

3. This situation is something NO Alaskan is proud of. When Gov Palin got the nod for the VP slot, my thinking was John McCain would be sorry he ever met Sarah Palin. I still stand by that.

436 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #433 pre-Boomer Marine brat

DAMN, you beat me to Bora Bora!

I'll need a team!

437 talon_262  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:31pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Edgar's trying to school us in philosophy...

/as if we needed it

438 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:02:31pm

re: #426 godfrey

They have dropped their turds in the punch bowl and have moved to other areas of misery.

439 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:03:56pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Ain't nothing wrong with looking.

*grin* ... I know

After posting "death knell", I tried a quick search for "Tahitian hula" on Youtube (y'know, for the guys here.) Got deluged by slow-moving bullshit. Gave up.

/did my first three years of H.S. in Honolulu

440 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:18pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

Oh please. Somebody is asked to leave. Such a scandal. Excuses made. Boo hoo.

441 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:30pm

re: #432 rawmuse

I absolutely love Bora Bora! I went there in my callow youth. I did not want to leave.

wouldn't it have been easier to go there in a boat or plane?

442 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:35pm

re: #437 talon_262

Edgar's trying to school us in philosophy...

/as if we needed it

What's the sound of a moonbat imploding in his mothers basement?

/*TRIES to assume lotus position.*

443 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:42pm

re: #434 JCM

But they're swimming in Bora Bora. You'd think they'd have a drink and relax a bit.

444 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:46pm

Did I forget my sarc tag? Why yes, I did.

445 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:04:57pm
446 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:05:57pm

re: #375 nyc redneck

we need to stop talking to it.

Someone has to refute it, though......

447 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:06:02pm

re: #429 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bora Bora

Thats already been taken ..care ... of!

448 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:06:32pm

re: #436 JCM

I'll need a team!

Did you see the photo I posted in 429?

449 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:06:45pm

re: #427 Occasional Reader

As for the target. It was a private hotel. They attacked Mr. Marriot, not the U.S. I don't care if they attack Marriots, or Hiltons, etc. When they attack an embassy however, that is an attack on the U.S.

As to nukes, yes this is something I hadn't originally considered. Thus I proposed: .....heavy containment and just letting them eat themselves. I'm tired of saving countries so they can turn around and threaten us for the effort. I say spend the time, power, and money to remove their nukes.....then let them be.

I have accepted that we aren't going to fight this 100%, and that most countries are too clueless to accept that the Muslims are at war with them. Muslim are waring in India, Israel, Pakistan, Yemin, Somalia, Russia, Sudan, England, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Spain and a host of other countries, but the World still thinks its not a problem. We cannot take on the entire world alone. Especially when after we fix their problem, the populaces democratically choose to become our enemies thereafter.

We need to "go to war" 100%, or go home. I'd send covert ops to identify and remove their nukes (or ability to use them, etc.) then call it a day and let them kill eachother.

450 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:07:14pm

on that note, I just realized I shouldn't even be on the computer today....crap!

451 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:07:21pm

re: #436 JCM

I'll need a team!


Okay, JCM, twist my arm and I'll join you.
;)

452 RirghtSideOfTheFence  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:07:21pm

But I thought Pakistan was our ally.

453 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:07:28pm
454 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:07:45pm

In case you haven't looked, Bora Bora is in the middle of the south Pacific.

It appears to be surrounded by a whole lot of ... ocean.

455 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:08:12pm

re: #448 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you see the photo I posted in 429?

somewhere in a very cold damp cave

Osama Bin Laden

" fools ,,, I said lets hide out in BORA BORA ,,, not TORA BORA !"

456 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:08:19pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

Why would McCain be sorry?
Would you mind explaining?

457 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:08:26pm

I just wish someone could reassure me that Obama will NOT win.

458 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:08:49pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

Big fucking deal.

459 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:08:52pm

re: #457 EIDE_Interface

lol

460 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:09:21pm

re: #457 EIDE_Interface

I just wish someone could reassure me that Obama will NOT win.

0bama is not going to win.

461 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:13pm

re: #449 WrathofG-d

As for the target. It was a private hotel. They attacked Mr. Marriot, not the U.S.

You're kidding, right?

And when the jihadists attack a Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise, it's because they're upset about the Hot Wings?

I don't care if they attack Marriots, or Hiltons, etc.

Really? So you don't care if the jihadists slaughter Americans around the world, as long as they don't do it on US diplomatic property?

I'd send covert ops to identify and remove their nukes (or ability to use them, etc.) then call it a day and let them kill eachother.

You're being incredibly naive.

462 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:19pm

re: #443 godfrey

But they're swimming in Bora Bora. You'd think they'd have a drink and relax a bit.

LOL!

463 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:21pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

0bama is not going to win.

Tah dah!

464 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:38pm

I just wish someone could reassure me EIDE_Interface is not a moby.

465 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:40pm

re: #453 Occasional Reader

I'll cover Fernando de Noronha. With caring.

I'd actually strap myself into a seat in an airplane to get there.

466 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:44pm

re: #457 EIDE_Interface

I just wish someone could reassure me that Obama will NOT win.

That is one of the most naive statements I have ever heard.

You want guarantees 7 weeks out? Go to Iraq, under Saddam Hussein. There's your guaranteed vote. We live in America. We decide on election day.

You want to increase the chances? Go volunteer at your local GOP headquarters. Lick envelopes. Make calls. Pass out literature, but for the love of pete stop whining.

467 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:45pm

re: #455 sattv4u2

somewhere in a very cold damp cave

Osama Bin Laden

" fools ,,, I said lets hide out in BORA BORA ,,, not TORA BORA !"

LOL! I thought of the same subject during the Afghan invasion!

"WTF are we doing invading HERE?!?!"

468 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:10:46pm

re: #423 JCM

re: #453 Occasional Reader

I'll cover Eliana Vega, with caring!

[Link: www.beautyden.com...]

469 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:11:21pm

re: #464 Sharmuta

Did you miss the asshole on the previous thread?

470 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:11:26pm

re: #458 MandyManners

Big fucking deal.


I agree.

471 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:11:36pm

re: #454 godfrey

In case you haven't looked, Bora Bora is in the middle of the south Pacific.

It appears to be surrounded by a whole lot of ... ocean.

And, so I have read, the girls are notorious for having bad teeth.

472 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:12:02pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

0bama is not going to win.

Even here in WA I don't see near the Obama bumper stickers or signs as I did for Gore/Libermann or Kerry/Edwards. He's in trouble (thank God)

473 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:12:51pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

0bama is not going to win.

*rimshot*

474 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:13:10pm

re: #450 WrathofG-d

on that note, I just realized I shouldn't even be on the computer today....crap!

Well it's not longer shabbat in Israel. I've used that a few times.

475 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:13:20pm

The only Obama stickers I see in my swing state are in front of big expensive mansions.

The only ones.

476 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:13:25pm

re: #469 MandyManners

Did you miss the asshole on the previous thread?

I'm afraid I did.

477 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:13:32pm

I think we can safely give Rio to OR.

478 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:13:34pm

re: #472 JCM

Even here in WA I don't see near the Obama bumper stickers or signs as I did for Gore/Libermann or Kerry/Edwards. He's in trouble (thank God)

hell ,,, I see more Kerry/ Edwards signs (as well as Luap Nor ones) NOW in Atlanta than Obama ones

479 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:13:45pm

Dust off the Fiskie - Robert Fisk has declared (again) that the US Will Lose in Afghanistan.

After the "unimaginable" progress in Iraq – I am quoting the fantasist who still occupies the White House – the Americans are going to hip-hop 8,000 soldiers out of Mesopotamia and dump another 4,700 into the hellfire of Afghanistan. Too few, too late, too slow, as one of my French colleagues commented acidly. It would need at least another 10,000 troops to hope to put an end to these Taliban devils who are now equipped with more sophisticated weapons, better trained and increasingly – sad to say – tolerated by the local civilian population. For Afghanistan, read Irakistan.

He is gleeful.

480 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:14:08pm

re: #476 Sharmuta

I'm afraid I did.

Did miss much.

Talking points nothing new.

481 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:14:23pm

re: #223 Outrider

This isn't a good thing in my opinion. There are far too many legitimate reasons not to vote for Sen Obama ranging from his foreign policy views, anti-military views, surrender to world wide terror viewpoints, economic views, and redistribution of the wealth viewpoints, etc...

Not voting for Sen Obama because of his race just socially throws us back decades and says more about the voter then about Sen Obamas politics. It fairly screams hypocrite, but then we have always known that about many Democrats.

The party that lives by identity politics dies by identity politics -- and remember, for the hundred years following the Civil War, one of the identity groups that the Democratic Party relied on was Southern segregationists.

Further, Democrat policies aimed at bridging the racial divide in the United States have often backfired. Where Booker T. Washington counseled his people to develop economically and become indispensable to White society, thus breaking down racial stereotypes and prejudices over time, W.E.B. DuBois and the civil rights movement that followed after him rejected Washington's counsel and demanded that prejudices, stereotypes and economic inequality all be eliminated by government fiat. But passing laws is not enough to change hearts, and giving welfare instead of demanding personal responsibility fed into the stereotypes that the AP cited in the poll.

482 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:14:41pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

those engaging in the witch hunt will look bad.
it is ugly to pursue some one w/ such a vengeance.
the only purpose being to destroy her.

don't worry.
she will emerge smelling like a rose.

(the hyenas stinking.)

483 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:14:47pm

re: #479 karmic_inquisitor

Dust off the Fiskie - Robert Fisk has declared (again) that the US Will Lose in Afghanistan.

He is gleeful.

Isn't he overdue for another Muslim mob ass-kicking?

484 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:15:09pm

Good afternoon all! Pakistan is about to implode entirely unless they get a grip on the situation there. I am not hopeful. Such a tragedy, and prayers for the dead and wounded.
On another note, a client/friend just sent me a link to this site, it is free. Awesome information. It shows all the violent felons in your neighborhood. It is legit, and a hoot. they have a great sense of humor. I especially recommend reading the terms and conditions. I assume they did that because no one ever looks at those.
[Link: www.felonspy.com...]

485 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:15:24pm

re: #478 sattv4u2

hell ,,, I see more Kerry/ Edwards signs (as well as Luap Nor ones) NOW in Atlanta than Obama ones


Here in Northern Viginia (the most liberal part of the state) Palin pulled a crowd of over 20k.

Biden got 1k

/crossed fingers

486 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:15:34pm

re: #479 karmic_inquisitor

Dust off the Fiskie - Robert Fisk has declared (again) that the US Will Lose in Afghanistan.

He is gleeful.

Does he ever get tired of being wrong?

487 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:16:07pm

re: #446 Sharmuta

Someone has to refute it, though......

yeah, i was thinking charles leaves it here so we practice our debating skills.

488 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:16:16pm

re: #479 karmic_inquisitor

It would need at least another 10,000 troops to hope to put an end to these Taliban devils who are now equipped with more sophisticated weapons, better trained

Well, he was right in 2001 about our troops being powerless against the invincible Pashtun warriors, and freezing to death in the brutal Afghan winter, wasn't he?

/

489 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:16:22pm

re: #466 mama winger

That is one of the most naive statements I have ever heard.

You want guarantees 7 weeks out? Go to Iraq, under Saddam Hussein. There's your guaranteed vote. We live in America. We decide on election day.

You want to increase the chances? Go volunteer at your local GOP headquarters. Lick envelopes. Make calls. Pass out literature, but for the love of pete stop whining.

But Mama, you're asking he/she/it to ...

re: #341 EIDE_Interface

If we truly cared, we would do exactly that.

Truly caring is the LAST thing it wants to be bothered with

490 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:16:25pm

re: #487 nyc redneck

yeah, i was thinking charles leaves it here so we practice our debating skills.

Charles knows I'm not a moby.

491 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:16:45pm

re: #489 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Truly caring is the LAST thing it wants to be bothered with

Stop calling me an "it". Talk about insulting.

492 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:17:06pm

re: #484 CapeCoddah

Wish we had something like that here in Canada. Probably against there rights or something like that.

493 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:17:11pm

re: #476 Sharmuta

I'm afraid I did.

Nos. 319 and 360. Mr. Sandman.

494 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:17:14pm

re: #487 nyc redneck

yeah, i was thinking charles leaves it here so we practice our debating skills.

I was thinking it's because we need trolls and mobys lest we start infighting.

495 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:17:28pm

re: #458 MandyManners

Big fucking deal.

{MandyManners}

Should I get some rope?

496 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:17:33pm

re: #477 JCM

I think we can safely give Rio to OR.

"verynude.net"?

497 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:17:54pm

re: #479 karmic_inquisitor

Dust off the Fiskie - Robert Fisk has declared (again) that the US Will Lose in Afghanistan.


He is gleeful.

Fuck Fisk.

498 pink freud  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:18:12pm

re: #464 Sharmuta

Meremortal laid it out pretty clear. I see it the same way. Nothing more to know. It is what it is.

499 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:18:15pm

re: #452 RirghtSideOfTheFence

But I thought Pakistan was our ally.

So are the Saudis

/sarc off

500 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #491 EIDE_Interface

Stop calling me an "it". Talk about insulting.

it's (sorry) because we don't know your gender. typing "IT" replaces us having to type he/she or him/her each time

So ,,, gender please ,, then all will type HER ,, or HIM ,,,,

501 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:19:17pm

re: #495 goddessoftheclassroom

{MandyManners}

Should I get some rope?

Nah.

How's your day going?

502 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:19:35pm

re: #500 sattv4u2

it's (sorry) because we don't know your gender. typing "IT" replaces us having to type he/she or him/her each time

So ,,, gender please ,, then all will type HER ,, or HIM ,,,,

Unless it is a transexual? Then what?

503 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:19:46pm

re: #500 sattv4u2

it's (sorry) because we don't know your gender. typing "IT" replaces us having to type he/she or him/her each time

So ,,, gender please ,, then all will type HER ,, or HIM ,,,,

Him.

504 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:19:50pm

re: #490 EIDE_Interface

Charles knows I'm not a moby.

how does he know that?

505 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:20:10pm

re: #496 Occasional Reader

Don't look! They're nekkid.

506 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:20:18pm

re: #488 Occasional Reader

Well, he was right in 2001 about our troops being powerless against the invincible Pashtun warriors, and freezing to death in the brutal Afghan winter, wasn't he?

/


And OR, this time he's basing his report on his Fwench colleagues. Too funny! ("Too few, too late, too slow, as one of my French colleagues commented acidly.)
;)

507 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:20:37pm

re: #504 nyc redneck

how does he know that?

He would have banned me already. Just because I'm a bit antsy over this election doesn't make me a moby, but some of us failed basic logic class.

508 talon_262  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:20:57pm

re: #381 runrabbitrun

As a satiric comedian, I hope that Allen sees the irony in his labeling a possible Obama loss as a "humiliation" and a "disgrace"... Allen is the author of all disgrace, in taking nude photos of his stepchild by his son's mother and then sexually using the young woman, and he is the father of humiliation by making a national mockery of his own relationship with his family.

I put Woody Allen into the same category as Roman Polanski....perverts who frankly have no moral standing to inject themselves into the civil discourse and be taken seriously. It doesn't mean I can't or don't enjoy their works, but Woody Allen's daft if he thinks that most Americans with common sense are going to listen to his political nonsense.

509 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:21:00pm

re: #494 Sharmuta

I was thinking it's because we need trolls and mobys lest we start infighting.

oh no, not infighting.
i hate infighting.

510 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:21:24pm

re: #504 nyc redneck

how does he know that?

I wonder how Charles does describe him. Well, not really.

511 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:21:29pm

re: #502 Nevergiveup

Unless it is a transexual? Then what?

SHIM

512 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:21:56pm

re: #507 EIDE_Interface

He would have banned me already. Just because I'm a bit antsy over this election doesn't make me a moby, but some of us failed basic logic class.

are you rodan?
you can tell me.

513 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:21:57pm

re: #503 EIDE_Interface

Him.

see ! that was easy ,,, no ?

514 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:22:40pm

re: #495 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you still sane?
Is the house still standing?
Is the homicide squad on your tail for nailing one of the �%@$#& little so-and-sos?

515 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:22:41pm

re: #512 nyc redneck

are you rodan?
you can tell me.

Who is rodan?

516 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:22:55pm

re: #449 WrathofG-d

So when Jo Goldenberg's was bombed in Paris, it had nothing to do with targeting Jews? When the JCC was bombed in Buenos Aires, it had nothing to do with targeting Israel?

We can't "contain" Pakistan. Afghanistan in 2000 was pretty isolated internationally and quite poor -- and its fanaticism wasn't contained.

The Pakistanis who aren't Islamofascists are human beings who don't deserve to be blown to smithereens at random, any more that Israelis do. (The Islamofascist Pakistanis are human beings who have earned our undying enmity and deserve to be destroyed.) If the Pakistani government is too short-sighted to accept that America can help fight our mutual enemy on Pakistani soil, then they'll have to fight alone -- but we'd all better pray that they do so, and that they win.

517 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:22:58pm

re: #512 nyc redneck

are you rodan?
you can tell me.

I don't think he's rodan, but the similarity is striking.

518 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:23:15pm

re: #512 nyc redneck

are you rodan?
you can tell me.

** looking around for nasty bird droppings**

519 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:23:56pm

re: #507 EIDE_Interface

He would have banned me already. Just because I'm a bit antsy over this election doesn't make me a moby, but some of us failed basic logic class.

bad assumption. Charles wouldn't ban a Moby or Troll for JUST being a Moby or a Troll. That Moby/Troll would have to violate one of the rules 1st

520 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:24:05pm

re: #510 debutaunt

I wonder how Charles does describe him. Well, not really.

Let's go over to the corner and murmur our suspicions, then come back snickering.

521 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:24:07pm

re: #500 sattv4u2

it's (sorry) because we don't know your gender. typing "IT" replaces us having to type he/she or him/her each time

So ,,, gender please ,, then all will type HER ,, or HIM ,,,,

When I teach indefinite pronoun/pronoun agreement, I explain that some indefinite pronouns are singular, such as "everyone." Thus, one can't grammatically say, "Everyone should vote for their choice" because "their" is plural.

Using "he or she" or "s/he" and the relevant objective and possessive cases are annoying and artificial. It used to be understood by reasonable people that "he," etc., in this case ("Everyone should vote for his choice") was NOT exclusionary.

As I said to my students, "Just neuter the males."

522 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:24:23pm

re: #515 EIDE_Interface

Who is rodan?

a fictional monster, introduced in Rodan, a 1956 release from Toho Studios, the company responsible for the Godzilla series. Like Godzilla and Anguirus, it is designed after a type of prehistoric reptile --But that's not important right now!

523 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:24:30pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

I have lived in Alaska for almost 40 years, and I have known a lot of these folks for a long time. Here are the main points to keep in mind about this situation....

1. While it is true that Hollis French is a democrat, the committee that voted for this investigation was composed of twice the number of republicans as democrats. The vote to investigate this was 100% yes.

rrr: Sometimes the proposal to investigate could be prompted by a desire to exonerate a victim or clear the truth. So the claim is no further evidence of Palin's wrongdoing. And the "independent investigator" has admitted to taking orders from Hollis French...

2. I have heard through "back channels" that there is plenty of evidence already collected and that the report can be issued without the testimony from the subpoenas. It would have been better to have the testimony, but not entirely necessary.

rrr: We'd have to know the sources of these "rumors" of evidence, before we conclude that the above leak is not being spread by the Dems to smear Palin and prejudice the U.S before the verdict is announced.

3. This situation is something NO Alaskan is proud of. When Gov Palin got the nod for the VP slot, my thinking was John McCain would be sorry he ever met Sarah Palin. I still stand by that.

rrr: Since dozens of GOP lawyers have delved deeply into the case at the vetting stage - and with an investigation like this it was a primary focus of their analysis - I doubt that this will be prove to be the case. Pretty much every bureacracy and every media desk in the country is headed by Dems, they have control of the narrative: that is why the conventional wisdom has been shaped the way it has.

524 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:24:54pm

re: #520 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's go over to the corner and murmur our suspicions, then come back snickering.

hahahahahahhahahahaha

525 talon_262  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:07pm

re: #490 EIDE_Interface

Charles knows I'm not a moby.

No, I think he's letting you play out just enough rope to hang yourself...

526 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:07pm

re: #514 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you still sane?
Is the house still standing?
Is the homicide squad on your tail for nailing one of the &#%@$#& little so-and-sos?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No, I haven't even had to raise my voice yet!

527 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:09pm

re: #521 goddessoftheclassroom

When I teach indefinite pronoun/pronoun agreement, I explain that some indefinite pronouns are singular, such as "everyone." Thus, one can't grammatically say, "Everyone should vote for their choice" because "their" is plural.

Using "he or she" or "s/he" and the relevant objective and possessive cases are annoying and artificial. It used to be understood by reasonable people that "he," etc., in this case ("Everyone should vote for his choice") was NOT exclusionary.

As I said to my students, "Just neuter the males."

LOL! Really?

528 Catttt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:23pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

Obama partisan tampers with Palin subpoena list

A Friday hearing revealed that an Obama partisan has manipulated an independent investigator’s subpoena list for a controversial inquiry against GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

The investigation is intended to determine whether Palin abused her office by firing Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Palin says she fired him over budget issues. Her foes believe the firing was due to Monegan’s unwillingness to fire Palin’s former brother-in-law State Trooper Mike Wooten, a man who has admitted to “tasering” his stepson, illegally shooting a moose and has been accused of threatening his former father-in-law with violence and drinking in his police car.

Investigator Steven Branchflower admitted he had ceded control of his subpoena list to Sen. Hollis French (D.) during Alaska’s Joint Judiciary Committee September 12 hearing that was scheduled to approve subpoena requests. [CLICK HERE FOR AUDIO.] French is a partisan who has endorsed Palin’s Democratic presidential ticket rival Barack Obama for president and is actively supporting his candidacy.

Lawmakers approved 13 of Branchflower’s subpoena requests that day, which included one for Palin’s husband, Todd. Four other subpoenas were approved for aides Branchflower believes participated in a meeting called by Palin’s former chief of staff Mike Tibbles where Wooten’s firing was allegedly discussed.

Rep. David Guttenberg (D.) asked Branchflower why he was requesting subpoenas for only those people attending the meeting and not Tibbles himself.

Branchflower said he would “have to defer that question to Mr. French.”

“I put the list together with, talking to Mr. French,” Branchflower added.

Sen. Gene Therriault (R.) told Branchflower, “I don’t understand why you would have to defer that question to Sen. French. If it’s your list you’re in complete control of the list, then why can’t you answer the question?”

Branchflower had no explanation. He only offered, “I’m not sure why his name was removed. My initial request was to have him on the list.” At that point, French interjected. “It appeared to me there wasn’t the political will to subpoena Tibbles.”

“Something’s fishy here,” Therriault replied. “I mean either Mr. Branchflower conducts his investigation without direction, and now we know he’s been directed on the date and changing what he’s doing and how he’s doing it because of the time pressure he is feeling. And now we’re hearing that people that he’s trying to get information from, there’s direction going on on that, too.”

529 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:30pm

re: #209 rawmuse

The target was a western style hotel, undoubtedly chosen for that reason.
These Islamists think they can bomb themselves in to prosperity and peace.
All they will do is isolate and impoverish themselves.

But...but... 1.4 billiion people can't be wrong?...right?

530 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:55pm

re: #521 goddessoftheclassroom

I love the grammar lessons!

531 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:25:56pm

re: #529 Oh no...Sand People!

But...but... 1.4 billiion people can't be wrong?...right?

PIMF: '/'

forgot the sarc.

532 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:26:08pm

re: #508 talon_262

30% of all white democrats have problems with nObama being black. That is a substantial number that probably won't vote in the election. A similar number of republicans wouldn't vote for a democrat regardless of race or gender. Who is authentic? Sure doesn't look like the democrats don't have anywhere near party unity when 30% of their white party members won't vote for their parties candidate.

533 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:26:11pm

re: #521 goddessoftheclassroom

YIKES!

534 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:26:33pm

re: #527 MandyManners

LOL! Really?

Yes, really!

/I wonder why the guys cross their legs and look so uncomfortable?

535 Captain Jack  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:26:38pm

The dems think better policing or "intelligence" can protect us against terrorists but they will just use a bigger bomb. The Marriott had security and the truck did not even make it past the "security" gate but there were so much explosive that it did not matter. The only way to use policing to protect against terrorism is to have a police state. The irony about the dems policing (see WTC part 1- I really wondered at the time why the press did not investigate this more with all the foreign sounding names. The press just took the dems local police matter explanation at face value....never so with a repub) be nice to them and they will be nice to us strategy is that the terrorists will be successful and the public will call for draconian measures that will completely destroy our civil liberties.

536 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:26:44pm

re: #529 Oh no...Sand People!

But...but... 1.4 billiion people can't be wrong?...right?

PIMF: billion...

/sorry long night...

537 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:26:56pm

re: #521 goddessoftheclassroom

As I said to my students, "Just neuter the males."

NOTE TO SELF ,,, NEVER accept an invite to Goddess's if she's having a Ginsu Knife party !

538 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:27:29pm

re: #537 sattv4u2

As I said to my students, "Just neuter the males."

NOTE TO SELF ,,, NEVER accept an invite to Goddess's if she's having a Ginsu Knife party !

Or a circumcision!

539 Gang of One  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:27:33pm

re: #537 sattv4u2

As I said to my students, "Just neuter the males."

NOTE TO SELF ,,, NEVER accept an invite to Goddess's if she's having a Ginsu Knife party !

Just don't use bad grammar.

540 JCM  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:27:34pm

re: #496 Occasional Reader

"verynude.net"?

oopps sorry it redirects my bad.
Not nude, but very Rio.

541 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:28:20pm

re: #534 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, really!

/I wonder why the guys cross their legs and look so uncomfortable?

Would you spay that again?

542 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:28:27pm

re: #522 Nevergiveup

LOLOL

543 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:29:16pm

re: #525 talon_262

No, I think he's letting you play out just enough rope to hang yourself...

Hanging - whatever...

544 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:29:41pm

re: #525 talon_262

No, I think he's letting you play out just enough rope to hang yourself...

Ah hope springs eternal among a certain faction here. Not going to accommodate though.

545 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:29:55pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

I have lived in Alaska for almost 40 years, and I have known a lot of these folks for a long time. Here are the main points to keep in mind about this situation....

1. While it is true that Hollis French is a democrat, the committee that voted for this investigation was composed of twice the number of republicans as democrats. The vote to investigate this was 100% yes.

2. I have heard through "back channels" that there is plenty of evidence already collected and that the report can be issued without the testimony from the subpoenas. It would have been better to have the testimony, but not entirely necessary.

3. This situation is something NO Alaskan is proud of. When Gov Palin got the nod for the VP slot, my thinking was John McCain would be sorry he ever met Sarah Palin. I still stand by that.

And precisely what crime ~was~alleged to have been committed? Did this guy not serve at her pleasure and could thus be fired at any time?

546 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:15pm
547 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:17pm

"Neuter the males."

Excellent strategy, GOTC.

Figuratively.

548 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:23pm

I don't know why you're bothering with EIDE_Troll

GAZE

549 Gang of One  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:30:36pm

re: #538 Nevergiveup

Or a circumcision!

Like this?

550 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:31:34pm

re: #541 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Would you spay that again?

LOL!

I saw one of my former students last night at the high school football game. She told me she got into a debate with her English professor about this issue. Her professor (a woman) kept saying, "Isn't that sexist?" and my student just kept repeating that it was a matter of logic, not sexism,

I'm so proud of her!

Now if I had been there, I would have said, "No, people have sex; words have gender." I have been sorely tempted to say this in class, but the cold hand of common sense has held me back.

551 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:32:18pm

re: #544 EIDE_Interface

hope springs eternal among a certain faction here

Don't kid yourself that your mere presence, or absence, is important to us.

552 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:32:32pm

re: #548 Shay4l

I don't know why you're bothering with EIDE_Troll

GAZE

Sort of like when my dogs find a cricket. They nose at the cricket and knock off a leg or two. They paw at the cricket before knocking off another couple legs. Pretty soon their new toy is broken and they move on to other adventures.

553 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:33:22pm

re: #552 Perplexed

Sort of like when my dogs find a cricket. They nose at the cricket and knock off a leg or two. They paw at the cricket before knocking off another couple legs. Pretty soon their new toy is broken and they move on to other adventures.

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

554 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:33:25pm

re: #546 mama winger

[Link: mine.icanhascheezburger.com...]

{mamawinger"

O, Lord, I hope so!

In 1970, my first grade teacher brought a portable TV to school so that we could watch the Orioles in the playoffs and world series!

555 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:33:28pm

re: #547 godfrey

"Neuter the males."

Excellent strategy, GOTC.

Figuratively.

i'm against neutering the males.
i like men w/the complete package.

556 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:34:07pm

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

But that's not his dog!

557 Gang of One  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:34:30pm

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

No. The dog is, well, a dog.

558 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:34:34pm

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

EIDE is a cat person. Anyone with dogs know that dogs key on any motion and a jumping cricket is full of motion for a little while.

559 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:34:52pm

re: #554 goddessoftheclassroom

{mamawinger"

O, Lord, I hope so!

In 1970, my first grade teacher brought a portable TV to school so that we could watch the Orioles in the playoffs and world series!

They are leading the Cardinals 3-0. And their magic number is ONE !

ONE !

I'm going to need some oxygen here. Help a fan out.......

560 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:00pm

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

I hope to goodness you forgot the sarc tag. A dog does not do this for the pleasure of watching another creature suffer; that's a human characteristic.

561 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:20pm

re: #457 EIDE_Interface

I just wish someone could reassure me that Obama will NOT win.

Enough already, you're getting repetitive.

562 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:23pm

re: #482 nyc redneck

those engaging in the witch hunt will look bad.
it is ugly to pursue some one w/ such a vengeance.
the only purpose being to destroy her.

don't worry.
she will emerge smelling like a rose.

(the hyenas stinking.)

In order to grow good roses....you need loads of fertilizer. In this case? We have the Democrats and their rhetoric to fill that need. ;-)>

563 spidly  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:44pm

mormons at it again?

564 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:49pm

re: #558 Perplexed

EIDE is a cat person. Anyone with dogs know that dogs key on any motion and a jumping cricket is full of motion for a little while.

Now wait a minute before you go picking on the cat people... :)

565 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:35:49pm

re: #550 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

I saw one of my former students last night at the high school football game. She told me she got into a debate with her English professor about this issue. Her professor (a woman) kept saying, "Isn't that sexist?" and my student just kept repeating that it was a matter of logic, not sexism,

I'm so proud of her!

Now if I had been there, I would have said, "No, people have sex; words have gender." I have been sorely tempted to say this in class, but the cold hand of common sense has held me back.

*grin*
Common sense is probably serving you well.

If only buzzsaw were here! "people have sex; words have gender" sounds like something which could be ... er ... uh ... well ... ah ....

566 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:36:31pm

re: #564 goddessoftheclassroom

Not picking on all cat people, just one, EIDE.

567 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:36:34pm

re: #552 Perplexed

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

re: #557 Gang of One

PERPLEXED ,,, your dog should CARE more

Right, EIDE ?

568 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:37:41pm

re: #564 goddessoftheclassroom

Now wait a minute before you go picking on the cat people... :)

Uh actually I hate cats. Dogs are filthy, they sniff each others butts.

569 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:37:58pm

re: #566 Perplexed

Not picking on all cat people, just one, EIDE.

I will refrain from making an unkind comment (about EIDE, not you!)...

570 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:06pm

re: #545 Outrider

And precisely what crime ~was~alleged to have been committed? Did this guy not serve at her pleasure and could thus be fired at any time?

Palin has an 80% or 73% approval rating in Alaska which is insanely high for any politician. It is impossible to clean up Dodge without making enemies. I've heard the disgruntled Republicans speak out, who are angry with her because she outed their sugar daddy governor. Palin is unusually courageous - and she is heroic in her goals and acheivements.

571 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:23pm

re: #560 goddessoftheclassroom

I hope to goodness you forgot the sarc tag. A dog does not do this for the pleasure of watching another creature suffer; that's a human characteristic.

5 will get you 20 ... he's still in junior high

572 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:36pm

I hear the dog vote is kinda split this year. 40% for McCain. 40 % for Obama. And the other 20% just want to pee on Obama.

573 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:36pm

re: #568 EIDE_Interface

Uh actually I hate cats. Dogs are filthy, they sniff each others butts.

Well that seals it for me.

574 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:48pm

re: #568 EIDE_Interface

Uh actually I hate cats. Dogs are filthy, they sniff each others butts.

Ah.

575 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:56pm

re: #570 DistantThunder

Palin has an 80% or 73% approval rating in Alaska which is insanely high for any politician. It is impossible to clean up Dodge without making enemies. I've heard the disgruntled Republicans speak out, who are angry with her because she outed their sugar daddy governor. Palin is unusually courageous - and she is heroic in her goals and acheivements.

She has great fundamentals - but the MSM has savaged her mercilessly.

576 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:38:59pm

re: #567 sattv4u2

Dog cares?

Stomach full? Yes
Enough to drink? Yes
Sniff at a few buttocks? Yes
Chase the local squirrels? Yes
Take a nap? Yes

Pretty much a dog's life.

577 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:39:42pm

re: #456 yma o hyd

Why would McCain be sorry?
Would you mind explaining?

Sorry this is such a long reply....

Governor Palin is not much of a governor, but she is a hell of a politician. I am sure that is why Mr. McCain picked her.

She has a lot of skeletons in her closet. She has burned a lot of people here (not me especially). The whole issue is not whether or not she should have fired Walt Monegan, the issue is about how many lies she has been telling and what was done with Trooper Wooten's confidential medical data. There are a lot of laws that protect medical information (HIIPA etc). The latest thing about ignoring the subpoenas from our legislature is just the icing on the cake.

She ran for governor on a mantra of being transparent and accountable. She is neither. There was a request for information made by a gal from Wasilla for the e-mails from a number of state accounts. The administration redacted somewhere around 1100 of these messages. From what I know so far, many of these redacted messages had nothing to do about Monegan, but showed that our governor has a bad temper and isn't afraid to use bad language.

She has used a Yahoo e-mail account instead of the secure state of Alaska e-mail system. This Yahoo account was the account that was hacked last week. She was conducting state buisiness on a Yahoo account because she didn't want freedom of information requests to get certian messages, not because the state didn't have a good message platform.

These are the sorts of things she does. I am sure John McCain had no idea about these problems when he tapped her to be her VP. I am pretty sure he didn't talk to anyone in Alaska before he made his announcement. None of the POLS I know were asked, and most of them don't know anyone in their circles that were asked about Governor Palin. I think he was acting with a very small amount of information when he made his choice.

578 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:39:49pm

re: #560 goddessoftheclassroom

I hope to goodness you forgot the sarc tag. A dog does not do this for the pleasure of watching another creature suffer; that's a human characteristic.

((Goddess)).......

579 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:39:50pm

re: #574 goddessoftheclassroom

Ah.

Cats are much cleaner then dogs, but are very unfriendly and selfish animals.

580 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:39:54pm

re: #426 godfrey

Why oh why hasn't EIDE or Edgar answered our questions?


they're in retreat, formulating a new strategy.

582 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:12pm

You're not a moby by the strict definition thereof. You're just a manipulative, argumentative pain in the ass who enjoys dumping his negativity on everyone else.

583 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:15pm

re: #570 DistantThunder

In addition, I think your average Americans have had it with the dirty tricks and biased press against her.

584 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:23pm

re: #562 Outrider

In order to grow good roses....you need loads of fertilizer. In this case? We have the Democrats and their rhetoric to fill that need. ;-)>

you know, i really do think the dems, by their very existence, will be 'creating' many more people like sarah palin.
the vacuum they have allowed to occur in our society because of their cowardice and anti-americanism will inevitably be filled by patriots.

585 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:29pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

Moby.

586 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:31pm

re: #574 goddessoftheclassroom

Ah.

Yep, he's in junior high

587 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:32pm

re: #457 EIDE_Interface

EIDE, I gotta tell you, your whining sucks. I mostly read here, post a little.
Enough already. If you really need someone to hold your hand so desperately thru a presidential election, I would strongly recommend two things, since you seem not to hear that you vastly annoying. 1. Get a therapist to reassure you.
2. Don't ever have children. It would kill you.

588 Rune  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:34pm

I hear they are comparing it to 9/1 and calling it Pakistan's 9/11. I hope the common people of Pakistan will see it as a similar wake-up call and stop supporting terrorists and Islamists and start to actively work against them.

589 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:40:41pm

re: #568 EIDE_Interface

Uh actually I hate cats. Dogs are filthy, they sniff each others butts.

Not all dogs. I've trained mine to walk only on it's hind legs, use the toilet, eat with a knife and fork at the table (with the napkin in his lap) and change his underwear daily!

590 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:41:12pm

re: #582 Moe Katz

You're not a moby by the strict definition thereof. You're just a manipulative, argumentative pain in the ass who enjoys dumping his negativity on everyone else.

Well at least you're being charitable. I have been known to be a huge pain in the ass to the people around me. I've known social ostracism.

591 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:41:33pm

re: #578 doriangrey

I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY BREAKFAST !

*grin*

592 Rune  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:41:40pm

& RIP to all the dead. Except the suicide killer. To hell with him.

593 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:41:51pm

re: #589 sattv4u2

Not all dogs. I've trained mine to walk only on it's hind legs, use the toilet, eat with a knife and fork at the table (with the napkin in his lap) and change his underwear daily!

And you are Jim Carrey?

594 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:01pm

re: #578 doriangrey

((Goddess)).......

{doriangrey}!

MWAH!

595 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:03pm

re: #579 EIDE_Interface

Cats are much cleaner then dogs, but are very unfriendly and selfish animals.

Hey I was staying outa of this, but I got 3 cats. So now I can see your judgment and powers of observation are not up to par.

596 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:08pm

re: #592 Rune

& RIP to all the dead. Except the suicide killer. To hell with him.

If there was a hell, he'd be there roasting.

597 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:17pm

re: #568 EIDE_Interface

Uh actually I hate cats. Dogs are filthy, they sniff each others butts.

I don't trust anyone who hates animals.

598 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:19pm

re: #573 mama winger

Well that seals it for me.

LOL,
me to0, damn it.

599 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:37pm

re: #482 nyc redneck

those engaging in the witch hunt will look bad.
it is ugly to pursue some one w/ such a vengeance.
the only purpose being to destroy her.

don't worry.
she will emerge smelling like a rose.

(the hyenas stinking.)

If you say so......

600 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:40pm

re: #595 Nevergiveup

Hey I was staying outa of this, but I got 3 cats. So now I can see your judgment and powers of observation are not up to par.

I've seen cat behavior up close and I know what I'm talking about. They are selfish creatures and moody as fuck.

601 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:50pm

re: #587 CapeCoddah

EIDE, I gotta tell you, your whining sucks. I mostly read here, post a little.
Enough already. If you really need someone to hold your hand so desperately thru a presidential election, I would strongly recommend two things, since you seem not to hear that you vastly annoying. 1. Get a therapist to reassure you.
2. Don't ever have children. It would kill you.

Bingo.

602 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:42:56pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

showed that our governor has a bad temper and isn't afraid to use bad language.

BIG FUCKING DEAL.

She was conducting state buisiness on a Yahoo account because she didn't want freedom of information requests to get certian messages,

That's a lie.

603 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:43:04pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

Oh, come ON, Thor-Zone. You have listed absolutely nothing of substance. Emails, horrors! Medical records - of someone who tasered his step-son and is STILL on the job - horrors!

Get real. This is penny ante stuff.

604 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:43:16pm

re: #591 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY BREAKFAST !

*grin*

Or you'll sick your LAWYER friend on me..... sorry, how about a beer instead.... Samuel Adams Boston Lager...... ;)

605 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:43:19pm

re: #561 Moe Katz

Enough already, you're getting repetitive.

I DO think that good decent honest people have to do more to convince the naive that there is a difference in the two parties. Victor Davis Hanson has an excellent piece that I am forwarding to my email group about the genius that exists among the working class. He is exactly right.re: #296 Occasional Reader

The Morlocks have targeted Marriott before; it was a J.W. Marriott hotel that was hit in Jakarta in August 2003.

I've watched many a basketball game in the Marriott Center in Utah, home to the BYU Cougars. This bomb must have been enormous. Look at the two massive bombings we've had since Musharff's been out.

606 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:43:25pm
607 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:43:39pm

re: #586 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yep, he's in junior high

I TEACH junior high students! I like them.

608 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:43:54pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

You're a fucking troll.

609 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:08pm

re: #600 EIDE_Interface

I've seen cat behavior up close and I know what I'm talking about. They are selfish creatures and moody as fuck.

Well I have noticed that cats are very discriminating and perhaps that has something to do with how they respond to you?

610 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:10pm

re: #545 Outrider

And precisely what crime ~was~alleged to have been committed? Did this guy not serve at her pleasure and could thus be fired at any time?

dingdingdingdingding!

Troopergate is an absolute bullsheetrock line of inquiry into Palin's reputation, as a desperate measure to concoct a broadside October surprise set of negative headlines falsely criminalizing a GOP candidate, to be supported and spread by the Obama campaign minions and its MSM acolytes.

It will be exposed as such, and I predict it will backfire on its perpetrators.

611 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:17pm

re: #600 EIDE_Interface

I've seen cat behavior up close and I know what I'm talking about. They are selfish creatures and moody as fuck.

Maybe they just don't like YOU?

612 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:19pm

re: #590 EIDE_Interface

Well at least you're being charitable. I have been known to be a huge pain in the ass to the people around me. I've known social ostracism.

Do you enjoy that? Does it feel good?

613 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:20pm

re: #590 EIDE_Interface

I've known social ostracism.

That is simply shocking.

614 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:34pm

re: #594 goddessoftheclassroom

{doriangrey}!

MWAH!

Hey beautiful, long time no see...... :)

615 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:48pm

re: #576 Perplexed

Dog cares?

Stomach full? Yes
Enough to drink? Yes
Sniff at a few buttocks? Yes
Chase the local squirrels? Yes
Take a nap? Yes

Pretty much a dog's life.

Must have the daily ride, shotgun, in the truck, too. The bank gives out great treats!

616 Gang of One  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:54pm

re: #568 EIDE_Interface

Uh actually I hate cats. Dogs are filthy, they sniff each others butts.

Dude, honest as that statement may be, you are NOT ingratiating yourself here, not that you have to. But methinks you do yourself a bit of disservice by first making the charge that someone's dog is cruel, then saying you disdain them anyway. Wassup with you?

617 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:44:58pm

re: #600 EIDE_Interface

I've seen cat behavior up close and I know what I'm talking about. They are selfish creatures and moody as fuck.

What the HELL is your problem?

Go get a guidance counselor and leave this blog to the grown ups.

Sheeeeesh. Ya don't hear this much negativity from the local prison chain gang!

618 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:45:00pm

re: #579 EIDE_Interface

Cats are much cleaner then dogs, but are very unfriendly and selfish animals.

LOL, you have to stop.
i don't think i can take it anymore.

619 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:45:14pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

Red meat tofu for the Pacifica audience.
Big yawn for the rest of the voters.

620 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:45:25pm
621 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:45:31pm

re: #588 Rune

I hear they are comparing it to 9/1 and calling it Pakistan's 9/11. I hope the common people of Pakistan will see it as a similar wake-up call and stop supporting terrorists and Islamists and start to actively work against them.

Don't really see that is possible given the religious component to this issue. If it had been a Hindu terrorist, from India, then the Pakistanis could get behind doing something about the bombing. A muslim, from the territories, with an axe to grind with the Pakistani government won't raise much of an issue here.

I suspect that the ISI (Pakistani version of the CIA) may well know who pulled off this attack. Going to take a wait and see who gets arrested and which political factions in Pakistan get their collective heads cracked.

622 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:45:55pm

re: #604 doriangrey

Or you'll sick your LAWYER friend on me..... sorry, how about a beer instead.... Samuel Adams Boston Lager...... ;)

*grin* ... no, he's performing the corageous act of holding my coat.

Whotthell ... beer sounds good

623 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:46:19pm

tfk

Mitt gets a cabinet position.

624 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:46:56pm

BBIAB

625 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:47:24pm

re: #607 goddessoftheclassroom

I TEACH junior high students! I like them.

(hush, has nothing to do with your students)

626 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:47:30pm

time to grill

627 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:47:38pm

re: #622 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin* ... no, he's performing the corageous act of holding my coat.

Whotthell ... beer sounds good

ROTFLMAO..... Just you wait till you get the bill for that heroic act.... Sounds like I might be buying you more than one beer on that day..... lol...lol...707...

628 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:48:12pm

Ace is linking to us about the pakastan Bombing.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

629 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:48:22pm

Well my BS quotient has been filled for the day. Time for a nap so I can deal with the adults at work tonight. See all you fine folks later.

/except EIDE and thor. FOAD to the both of yah

630 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:48:23pm
631 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:48:28pm
What really counts as Wisdom?

Your text to link...

By Victor Davis Hanson

632 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:48:49pm

re: #523 runrabbitrun


Actually the republicans elected Senator French as the chair of the committee because he is a former prosecuting attorney with a fair record.

For the record I have voted republican all my life except twice (for governor).

633 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:49:07pm

re: #590 EIDE_Interface

Well at least you're being charitable. I have been known to be a huge pain in the ass to the people around me. I've known social ostracism.

Ever sat in front of a mirror and asked why?

634 Gang of One  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:49:13pm
She has used a Yahoo e-mail account instead of the secure state of Alaska e-mail system. This Yahoo account was the account that was hacked last week. She was conducting state buisiness on a Yahoo account because she didn't want freedom of information requests to get certian messages, not because the state didn't have a good message platform.

She conducted no state business on that account. Shouldn't you be more concerned with the criminal invasion of her privacy than whether or not she used the account for 'official' business?

To quote my superior:

"go piss up a rope."

635 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:49:27pm

re: #608 MandyManners

Either that or a sock of Cognito's.

636 browninhawaii  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:49:31pm

How can anyone believe that this wouldn't have been done in the US if the terrorists weren't kept at bay in Iraq?
Pres. Bush has kept our nation secure. He gets all too little credit for this. I don't agree with some of the other things he has done, but he has shown real leadership in this and the recent financial problems.
In contrast, the Dems can point at the problem, say that no one knows how to deal with it and try to run away. Really, that is their MO in a nutshell.

637 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:49:32pm

re: #626 godfrey

time to grill

drool drool, wish I was grillin today.... Instead I'm just sucking down some Sam Adams frothy goodness................ ;)

638 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:04pm

I actually once took care of the neighborhood cat, he was nice. But other cats were not so nice, no matter how you tried.

639 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:05pm

re: #601 mama winger

Thanks Mama!

640 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:06pm

re: #632 Thor-Zone

Actually the republicans elected Senator French as the chair of the committee because he is a former prosecuting attorney with a fair record.

For the record I have voted republican all my life except twice (for governor).

Sounds to me as Palin has gotten under your skin.

Must mean she's doin it right.

641 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:40pm

re: #639 CapeCoddah

Thanks Mama!

:)

642 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:50:45pm

re: #635 MrPaulRevere

I'm employing my GAZE function.

643 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:51:05pm

re: #638 EIDE_Interface

I actually once took care of the neighborhood cat, he was nice. But other cats were not so nice, no matter how you tried.

Just keep digging that hole, son. China's down there somewhere.

644 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:51:11pm

re: #636 browninhawaii

How can anyone believe that this wouldn't have been done in the US if the terrorists weren't kept at bay in Iraq?
Pres. Bush has kept our nation secure. He gets all too little credit for this. I don't agree with some of the other things he has done, but he has shown real leadership in this and the recent financial problems.
In contrast, the Dems can point at the problem, say that no one knows how to deal with it and try to run away. Really, that is their MO in a nutshell.

I did say in a previous thread that there are Islamic sleeper cells in America, but they won't activate as long as Bush is in office. If Obama wins, well. I shudder.

645 Catttt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:51:32pm

re: #545 Outrider

To me, and this is just my opinion, this all boils down to subjectivity.

There are two separate issues at the heart of it (Trooper Mike Wooten and Walt Monegan), and one can tie them together subjectively, but not with evidence. If anything objectively illegal had been done, there would be a point to all this. However, Gov. Palin obviously did nothing illegal. As to ethics, again, we are in subjective territory, since she broke no rules in asking Walt Monegan to take a different position.

To me, it is a personnel, not a legislative issue. All of us, since we're not Vulcans, have personal feelings that may tie into what we do professionally every day, and we have rules (at least I sure do). If an employee has an issue with a person or process, he/she needs to go to human resources - that is a large part of why they are there.

Were personnel handling the Monegan reassignment and resignation, the subjective nature of the whole thing could be a part of the process. It does not, imho, belong in a Legislative Council hearing, wherein all should be objective.

Of course, in truth, imho Mr. Monegan didn't have a leg to stand on, since as you mentioned, he served at Gov. Palin's pleasure. It therefore makes no difference if she had ulterior motives.

Rep. French, who is the head of the Legislative Council, is also an outspoken Obama supporter, and he has made statements that show he is tickled pink to disrupt McCain/Palin, so he also is not objective.

646 Gang of One  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:51:38pm

re: #632 Thor-Zone

For the record I have voted republican all my life except twice (for governor).

Definitely a Moby.

647 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:51:46pm

re: #628 Nevergiveup

Ace is linking to us about the pakastan Bombing.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

2180 on-line at the moment.
Let's see where it goes.

648 Catttt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:52:19pm

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

Cats are more practical. After knocking it around, my cats eat the cricket.

649 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:52:21pm

re: #609 Nevergiveup

Well I have noticed that cats are very discriminating and perhaps that has something to do with how they respond to you?

My feline characteristics are on high alert.

650 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:52:31pm

re: #646 Gang of One

Definitely a Moby.

I have never voted for a Democrat. Either Libertarian or GOP all my life.

651 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:52:38pm

re: #633 CapeCoddah

Ever sat in front of a mirror and asked why?

cold
really cold
I love it

652 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:52:46pm

re: #640 mama winger

Sounds to me as Palin has gotten under your skin.

Must mean she's doin it right.

I got a feeling she knows how to do it just fine!
/Couldn't help my self, being the male pig I am.

653 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:53:11pm

re: #633 CapeCoddah

Ever sat in front of a mirror and asked why?

ROTFLMAO..................................... Not a chance in hell, in fact I would bet you my next beer that that is the very first time in EIDE_Interface life that concept has ever crossed his/her mind. And it only crossed his.her mind in the respect that it crossed his/her computer monitor, not that he/she can grasp the significance of what you suggested....

654 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:53:17pm

re: #632 Thor-Zone

Actually the republicans elected Senator French as the chair of the committee because he is a former prosecuting attorney with a fair record.

So how many OTHER Republicans has Palin taken down or ticked off in her efforts to end fraud and corruption across both aisles in her state?

655 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:53:28pm

re: #600 EIDE_Interface

I've seen cat behavior up close and I know what I'm talking about. They are selfish creatures and moody as fuck.

Sound familiar?

656 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:53:29pm

People really do like me - once they get past my cruel exterior. I'm so bad, yes they know I'm bad.

657 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:54:28pm

re: #656 EIDE_Interface

People really do like me - once they get past my cruel exterior. I'm so bad, yes they know I'm bad.

Next ?

658 Catttt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:54:30pm

re: #632 Thor-Zone

Actually the republicans elected Senator French as the chair of the committee because he is a former prosecuting attorney with a fair record.

For the record I have voted republican all my life except twice (for governor).

So what? I voted Democrat all my life until after 9/11.

659 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:54:40pm

re: #634 Gang of One

She conducted no state business on that account. Shouldn't you be more concerned with the criminal invasion of her privacy than whether or not she used the account for 'official' business?

To quote my superior:

"go piss up a rope."

There was no state business found on the account - but certain employees sent HER messages on the account - but more FYI stuff.

660 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:54:44pm

re: #644 EIDE_Interface

I did say in a previous thread that there are Islamic sleeper cells in America, but they won't activate as long as Bush is in office. If Obama wins, well. I shudder.

he reminds me of a cat, "an unfriendly and selfish animal?"

661 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:02pm

There are other Mohammed Atta's out there, but they are staying quiet for 2 reasons:

1. The moderate Islamic community is informing on them
2. If they did launch a suicide attack, America would come down like a hammer on the Islamic community as a whole.

662 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:10pm

re: #650 EIDE_Interface

I have never voted for a Democrat. Either Libertarian or GOP all my life.

Ya have to be old enough to vote before that statement actually mean squat...

663 Catttt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:22pm

re: #660 nyc redneck

he reminds me of a cat, "an unfriendly and selfish animal?"

HEY! /humph

664 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:34pm

re: #609 Nevergiveup

Want an excellent judge of character, see how the pets respond to strangers/ visitors. I have asked folks to leave my property when my dogs reacted negatively to a seemingly "friendly" stranger". I always listen to my pooches.

665 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:42pm

re: #649 debutaunt

My feline characteristics are on high alert.

I'm SURE AS HELL not bringing SockPuppy out into THIS crowd at the moment.

666 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:50pm

re: #573 mama winger

Well that seals it for me.

Post of the day! Big LOL!

(Don't mind me, just drove by for a quick peek.)

667 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:56:11pm

re: #664 CapeCoddah

Want an excellent judge of character, see how the pets respond to strangers/ visitors. I have asked folks to leave my property when my dogs reacted negatively to a seemingly "friendly" stranger". I always listen to my pooches.

Yeah, my cats are very perceptive also.

668 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:07pm

re: #656 EIDE_Interface

People really do like me - once they get past my cruel exterior. I'm so bad, yes they know I'm bad.

oh my yes ,,,, you're very deep and complex

//my fingers hurt from typing that!

669 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:22pm

re: #664 CapeCoddah

Want an excellent judge of character, see how the pets respond to strangers/ visitors. I have asked folks to leave my property when my dogs reacted negatively to a seemingly "friendly" stranger". I always listen to my pooches.

That person might be a Terminator. Dogs can detect them.

670 Metal Man  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:14pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

Astroturfing replace Alaskan for Christian.

671 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:59pm

re: #650 EIDE_Interface

Libertarian

Ron Paul!

672 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:59:55pm

re: #668 sattv4u2

oh my yes ,,,, you're very deep and complex

//my fingers hurt from typing that!

And he's such an expert at bull-slinging -- an experienced professional.

673 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:59:59pm

re: #545 Outrider

And precisely what crime ~was~alleged to have been committed? Did this guy not serve at her pleasure and could thus be fired at any time?

There is little debate here that Gov Palin could fire Walt Monegan any time she wanted to, and for any reason. The issue we are trying to get to the bottom of here is did Governor Palin abuse her office by trying to get her ex-brother in law (State Troper Wooten) fired so her sister would have full child custody.

This issue is clouded by the fact that Mr. Wooten is not a great cop. He has done some bad things and was punished for these things before Governor Palin was elected.

Specifically, the laws that were alleged to be broken deal with personnel matters and other things like workman's comp and HIPAA violations on the part of the Governor and her administration.

It is a little like Watergate because the violations probably aren't that big of a deal. It is the cover up that is causing all of Governor Palin's problems. I think she could have come out and said something like oopss...I did (fill in the blank) and I appologize. I am sure it would have all gone away. She decided to take another path.

I don't know how this will all turn out. I only hope justice is served.

674 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:03pm

re: #650 EIDE_Interface

I have never voted for a Democrat. Either Libertarian or GOP all my life.

How many Presidential elections have you been elegible to vote in, if I may ask?

675 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:45pm

Re. Thor-zone: I have noticed this tactic being employed everywhere in the media, especially on talk radio and letters to the editor in locals papers. The callers and writers always start with the line.."I've always voted Republican, but this year is different, I'm voting Obama" or a variation on that theme. Its a dead give-away.

676 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:01:47pm

re: #670 Metal Man

Excellent, right on point, thanks for linking!

677 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:09pm

re: #656 EIDE_Interface

All I have to say is : Stuart Smalley, Saturday Night Live.

678 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:40pm

re: #675 MrPaulRevere

Re. Thor-zone: I have noticed this tactic being employed everywhere in the media, especially on talk radio and letters to the editor in locals papers. The callers and writers always start with the line.."I've always voted Republican, but this year is different, I'm voting Obama" or a variation on that theme. Its a dead give-away.

I've done it myself (in reverse) on liberal blogs. Just to stir up trouble and dissent and cause doubt.

So I recognize the pattern.

I'm an evil one, am I. :)

679 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:30pm

re: #673 Thor-Zone

I only hope justice is served.

sure you do.

680 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:42pm

Let's recap, Saeah Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner for not firing a State Trooper and replaced him with a Public Safety Commissioner who didn't fire the State Trooper.

/everybody up to speed now?

681 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:20pm

re: #674 sattv4u2

How many Presidential elections have you been elegible to vote in, if I may ask?

First election in 1994. Turned 18 that year.

682 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:43pm

re: #669 EIDE_Interface

That person might be a Terminator. Dogs can detect them.

Ummm, Are you an Art Bell, shadow people fan, by any chance? Cause that would explain a lot...

683 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:50pm

re: #675 MrPaulRevere

Re. Thor-zone: I have noticed this tactic being employed everywhere in the media, especially on talk radio and letters to the editor in locals papers. The callers and writers always start with the line.."I've always voted Republican, but this year is different, I'm voting Obama" or a variation on that theme. Its a dead give-away.

it sure is a tired old transparent technique. we know what they're up to.
and there's no honor in such devious behavior. sneaky like a rat.

684 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:16pm

re: #683 nyc redneck

it sure is a tired old transparent technique. we know what they're up to.
and there's no honor in such devious behavior. sneaky like a rat.

oops

:)

685 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:27pm

re: #553 EIDE_Interface

Your dog is a cruel sadist.

You call that sadistic?! MY dog would get lady crickets to perform degrading sex acts on horseflies by threatening to eat their little baby cricket larvae. Then he'd mail compromising photographs to the lady crickets' husbands, and eat the babies anyway, while forcing the moms to watch!!

Come to think of it, my dog was worse than Hitler, in many ways...

686 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:02pm

re: #683 nyc redneck

it sure is a tired old transparent technique. we know what they're up to.
and there's no honor in such devious behavior. sneaky like a rat.

except for mama winger.
of course.

687 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:07pm

re: #669 EIDE_Interface

That person might be a Terminator. Dogs can detect them.

Charles, You should add a Huh? button to the + -

688 Metal Man  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:35pm

re: #676 MrPaulRevere

Another link of what to look for also from Ace.

689 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:08:12pm

re: #679 mama winger

sure you do.

When I read "I only hope justice is served." a few minutes ago, WHY did I suddenly have an image of the Pharissee standing at the front of the Temple, praying for all the World to see?

/I think you're Jewish, but I think you'll know, or get, the reference.

690 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:08:22pm

re: #686 nyc redneck

except for mama winger.
of course.

HAHAHAHAHA !

I only do it at the DNC Blog. And only because they so richly deserve it. :)

(that's going on my permanent record, isn't it?)

691 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:07pm

re: #686 nyc redneck

except for mama winger.
of course.

maybe you could teach me some of your tricks.
:)

692 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:18pm

re: #681 EIDE_Interface

First election in 1994. Turned 18 that year.

So basically, your choices have been Clinton/ Dole 96' ,,,, Bush/Gore 2000,,, Bush/ Kerry 2004

wow ,,,,,, you CONSERVATIVE , you !

693 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:18pm

re: #678 mama winger

I've done it myself (in reverse) on liberal blogs. Just to stir up trouble and dissent and cause doubt.

So I recognize the pattern.

I'm an evil one, am I. :)

Oh dear..... You a practitioner of the dark art of FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt..) ..............Mam I am shocked..... lol...lol...707...

694 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:39pm

re: #673 Thor-Zone

Walt Monegan himself came out and said that he wasn't pressured in any way by either the Governor or her husband to fire the trooper.

So if he's now saying he was pressured by the Palins, then perhaps he is the one who needs to be investigated, and not the Palins.

And when Hollis French several weeks ago said that this investigation would result "in a huge October surprise", before he'd even gotten hardly two steps into it, that showed his agenda.

His "investigation" is nothing more than a partisan attempt to malign the character of Governor Palin. It's that simple.

695 mannyishere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:10:00pm

re: #111 rlevitin

Um, I guess you haven't read Debka regularly. Some of the stuff on there is as fanciful as Alice in Wonderland. They get lucky sometimes.

696 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:11:27pm

re: #695 mannyishere

Um, I guess you haven't read Debka regularly. Some of the stuff on there is as fanciful as Alice in Wonderland. They get lucky sometimes.

And sometimes their stuff is completely ordinary news that you could have gotten anywhere, and isn't even that fresh.

697 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:13:19pm

re: #689 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When I read "I only hope justice is served." a few minutes ago, WHY did I suddenly have an image of the Pharissee standing at the front of the Temple, praying for all the World to see?

/I think you're Jewish, but I think you'll know, or get, the reference.

yes, that phrase "i only hope justice is served" sounded ominous.
his idea of 'justice' is probably getting 'the one' elected.

698 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:13:35pm

re: #602 MandyManners

She was conducting state buisiness on a Yahoo account because she didn't want freedom of information requests to get certian messages,

That's a lie.

You can read about that here, here and here. It is not a lie

699 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:24pm

re: #698 Thor-Zone

There is nothing in the first link. Now reading the second.

700 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:18:48pm

Nothing in the second, either. Here's one item:

One email message appears to be from Alaska Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell, complaining to Palin about an interview by Alaska radio show host Dan Fagan. "Arghhh! He is so inconsistent and purposefully misleading," Palin apparently writes in response.

lol

Government business, alright.

/rolls eyes

701 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:26pm

Nothing in the third.

702 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:37pm

re: #654 runrabbitrun

So how many OTHER Republicans has Palin taken down or ticked off in her efforts to end fraud and corruption across both aisles in her state?

Actually this was a pretty brave move for those people on this committee because Governor Palin has a very high approval rating here. I think it is in the high 70's or the low 80's.

This is one of the few times our legislature has stood up against the Governor since she was elected.

703 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:30pm

Palin is clean, and the Left is besh*tting itself with this email "inquiry."

704 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:22:28pm

re: #675 MrPaulRevere

Re. Thor-zone: I have noticed this tactic being employed everywhere in the media, especially on talk radio and letters to the editor in locals papers. The callers and writers always start with the line.."I've always voted Republican, but this year is different, I'm voting Obama" or a variation on that theme. Its a dead give-away.

I never said I would vote for Obama. This is a difficult choice for me, but I have to vote McCain because if I vote Obama he'll just come for the rest of my money the gov't doesn't already take and give it to crack whores and bums who are too lazy to get a job.

705 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:23:40pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

She has used a Yahoo e-mail account instead of the secure state of Alaska e-mail system. This Yahoo account was the account that was hacked last week. She was conducting state buisiness on a Yahoo account because she didn't want freedom of information requests to get certian messages, not because the state didn't have a good message platform


I call Bullshit on this one. Absolutely nothing was found. Try again.

Also how do you know what her alleged intentions were?

706 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:57pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

She has a lot of skeletons in her closet. She has burned a lot of people here (not me especially). The whole issue is not whether or not she should have fired Walt Monegan, the issue is about how many lies she has been telling and what was done with Trooper Wooten's confidential medical data. There are a lot of laws that protect medical information (HIIPA etc). The latest thing about ignoring the subpoenas from our legislature is just the icing on the cake.

Where is the source for Gov Palin releasing Wootens medical files? Or any files?

707 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:26:31pm

re: #680 Killian Bundy

Let's recap, Saeah Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner for not firing a State Trooper and replaced him with a Public Safety Commissioner who didn't fire the State Trooper.

/everybody up to speed now?

Actually you missed one....

Walt Monegan was replaced with a guy named Chuck Kopp who was the chief of the Kenai Police Department. He quit two weeks in because it was discovered that he had a sexual harassment problem while he was chief. This week another guy was put in as acting Comissioner of the Alaska Department of Public Safety. They did it in the dark of night, and I am not sure who it is.

708 quickjustice  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:28:57pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

Palin uses bad language? I agree that this should be disqualifying, and that this standard should be applied to all elected officials. In which case, everyone in the Congress resign from office immediately! ;-)

709 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:04pm

re: #577 Thor-Zone

These are the sorts of things she does. I am sure John McCain had no idea about these problems when he tapped her to be her VP. I am pretty sure he didn't talk to anyone in Alaska before he made his announcement. None of the POLS I know were asked, and most of them don't know anyone in their circles that were asked about Governor Palin. I think he was acting with a very small amount of information when he made his choice.


Ah. Is that the issue? Sen McCain didn't ask you opinion before selecting Gov Palin as his veep? Or any pols up there (to your knowledge)? When did that become a criteria for selection?
Just out of curiosity. Are you in the political inner circle in Alaska that the pols would have confided in you that they had been contacted? Just wondering.

710 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:10pm

Way to go guys. Keep after Thor-troll.

711 Jimash  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:05pm

Pakistan is a bad place.
But I guess you have to be (ahem) old enough to remember that we
courted them as allies and as a client state so to speak, and just stomping them might make the other client states jumpy.
Exactly the reverse of the Georgia situation.

My cat died last week. We buried her in the yard. 17 years.
Don't say anything bad about cats.

I would hope that whomever is elected will in january send the new VP to the Senate to kick some ass, and get their sorry asses back to work for a change.
So the question in my mind is who is going to scare Harry Reid. Joe Biden ?
"Say what are you fellows doing down here"?-- "Oh Hi Joe you know, the usual"
--"Oh ok, I'm supposed to be reforming you."
Screw that noise/.

712 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:10pm

re: #694 Intrepid

Walt Monegan himself came out and said that he wasn't pressured in any way by either the Governor or her husband to fire the trooper.

So if he's now saying he was pressured by the Palins, then perhaps he is the one who needs to be investigated, and not the Palins.

And when Hollis French several weeks ago said that this investigation would result "in a huge October surprise", before he'd even gotten hardly two steps into it, that showed his agenda.

His "investigation" is nothing more than a partisan attempt to malign the character of Governor Palin. It's that simple.

Truth be told, Hollis French is one of the worst bleeding heart liberals in the Alaska legislature. He comes from a very liberal district in West Anchorage. He is not someone I could vote for. That being said, I do not think he is a shill for Obama. You gotta remember Alaska hasn't voted for a democrat for president since JKF. I'm pretty sure it won't happen this time either.

713 Colin Nelson  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:54pm

Right, it's just soo much better in Pakistan since they ousted Musharraf

714 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:01pm

re: #705 Outrider

I call Bullshit on this one. Absolutely nothing was found. Try again.

Also how do you know what her alleged intentions were?

From the e-mails I read that were made public.

715 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:03pm

re: #707 Thor-Zone

Actually you missed one....

Walt Monegan was replaced with a guy named Chuck Kopp who was the chief of the Kenai Police Department. He quit two weeks in because it was discovered that he had a sexual harassment problem while he was chief. This week another guy was put in as acting Comissioner of the Alaska Department of Public Safety. They did it in the dark of night, and I am not sure who it is.

vacancy is temporaraly filled with an unknown !

WOW ,,, I think Palin should spend time in Levenworth for that one !

//

POST SARC ,,, your post said it happened "last week'. I wonder if Palin was even involved as she's been on the campaing trail since 'last week". Most liklely the Leuitenent Gov made the temporary appt. till the Governor gets back to take care of some state business

Please bring your A game here. If not, you make it too easy on us. If you don't HAVE an "A" game ,, lurking is a good option!

716 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:14pm

re: #632 Thor-Zone

Actually the republicans elected Senator French as the chair of the committee because he is a former prosecuting attorney with a fair record.

For the record I have voted republican all my life except twice (for governor).


How many times have I heard this one! lol

717 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:22pm

re: #716 Outrider

How many times have I heard this one! lol

Have heard it too many times. Especially since Thor-troll hasn't espoused any of his core-beliefs. He just comes in here talking trash about Republicans.

718 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:35:38pm

re: #706 Outrider

Where is the source for Gov Palin releasing Wootens medical files? Or any files?

There was a recorded phone call where one of her staffers, Frank Bailey refered to it when he called the Department of Public Safety to talk about Trooper Wooten. It may still be available at the Anchorage Daily News website. You should listen to it. It isn't good.

719 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:14pm

re: #717 EIDE_Interface

Have heard it too many times. Especially since Thor-troll hasn't espoused any of his core-beliefs. He just comes in here talking trash about Republicans.

Give it a rest, man. This is the second time I've seen you do this---you're trying to prove your loyalty to LGF by joining with the group against some other person who is being attacked. You aren't going to convince anyone.

720 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:29pm

re: #673 Thor-Zone


This issue is clouded by the fact that Mr. Wooten is not a great cop. He has done some bad things and was punished for these things before Governor Palin was elected.


Kind of. He got a minor suspension which the union got cut by half. Things we would have gone to jail for. Punished?

721 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:38:20pm

re: #719 Moe Katz

Give it a rest, man. This is the second time I've seen you do this---you're trying to prove your loyalty to LGF by joining with the group against some other person who is being attacked. You aren't going to convince anyone.

Except I've expressed core beliefs many times on LGF. I have a record. That you refuse to see that record is your malfunction mister.

722 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:38:49pm

re: #715 sattv4u2

vacancy is temporaraly filled with an unknown !

WOW ,,, I think Palin should spend time in Levenworth for that one !

//

POST SARC ,,, your post said it happened "last week'. I wonder if Palin was even involved as she's been on the campaing trail since 'last week". Most liklely the Leuitenent Gov made the temporary appt. till the Governor gets back to take care of some state business

Please bring your A game here. If not, you make it too easy on us. If you don't HAVE an "A" game ,, lurking is a good option!

This is this trolls A game....It game is FUD, claim one thing whilst trashing another in an attempt to sow fear uncertainty and doubt.... Closipine is pretending to be 1) an Alaskan, and 2) a republican, but is clearly neither.

723 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:39:24pm

re: #709 Outrider

Ah. Is that the issue? Sen McCain didn't ask you opinion before selecting Gov Palin as his veep? Or any pols up there (to your knowledge)? When did that become a criteria for selection?
Just out of curiosity. Are you in the political inner circle in Alaska that the pols would have confided in you that they had been contacted? Just wondering.


This is a very small place. Those of us who have lived here have run into most of the politicians one way or another. No I am not a political insider. I am not affiliated with any political party. I think they (political parties) all suck. Most Alaskans are not regesteded in either party.

724 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:06pm

re: #673 Thor-Zone

I don't know how this will all turn out. I only hope justice is served.


Justice will not be served until the politicians that drummed up these charges for pure political reasons(eg; to take her out of VP running and put Sen Obama in office) are themselves removed from office. If they had the slightest amount of integrity, they would feel some shame.

725 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:42:17pm

re: #673 Thor-Zone

There is little debate here that Gov Palin could fire Walt Monegan any time she wanted to, and for any reason. The issue we are trying to get to the bottom of here is did Governor Palin abuse her office by trying to get her ex-brother in law (State Troper Wooten) fired so her sister would have full child custody.


There was nothing to substantiate this charge to start with and there is none now. Mere political charges for political reasons.

726 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:42:49pm

re: #721 EIDE_Interface

Except I've expressed core beliefs many times on LGF. I have a record. That you refuse to see that record is your malfunction mister.

A record of what? Of going from thread to thread trying to be provocative? Look, if you want to be accepted here, try listening to other people and stop trying to be provocative. You're Jewish, I think? Apply Hillel's rule: That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. If you're not Jewish, the Christian version of that will do nicely.

727 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:32pm

Thor-troll:

It works both ways. There are allegations that Obama took bribes from Raines to keep the wraps on Fannie's corruption. I have no definitive PROOF, but the allegations are serious.

728 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:39pm

re: #721 EIDE_Interface

Except I've expressed core beliefs many times on LGF. I have a record. That you refuse to see that record is your malfunction mister.

You know, I have an extensive record of posts on this web site. I have been here longer than most of you (Mama Winger and Mandy excepted). Check out the log Charles maintains if you are actually interested in seeing what I think about this stuff.

729 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:45pm

re: #673 Thor-Zone

Specifically, the laws that were alleged to be broken deal with personnel matters and other things like workman's comp and HIPAA violations on the part of the Governor and her administration.


Again. More allegations with nothing to substantiate them. There is nothing concrete. More tossing stuff against the wall and hoping something sticks. Where do you get anything concrete that she did this?

730 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:44:13pm

re: #726 Moe Katz

A record of what? Of going from thread to thread trying to be provocative? Look, if you want to be accepted here, try listening to other people and stop trying to be provocative. You're Jewish, I think? Apply Hillel's rule: That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. If you're not Jewish, the Christian version of that will do nicely.

731 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:44:16pm

re: #726 Moe Katz

A record of what? Of going from thread to thread trying to be provocative? Look, if you want to be accepted here, try listening to other people and stop trying to be provocative. You're Jewish, I think? Apply Hillel's rule: That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. If you're not Jewish, the Christian version of that will do nicely.

This election worries me. If Obama wins, my entire way of life is up in the air.

732 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:45:31pm

re: #728 Thor-Zone

You know, I have an extensive record of posts on this web site. I have been here longer than most of you (Mama Winger and Mandy excepted). Check out the log Charles maintains if you are actually interested in seeing what I think about this stuff.

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954 ,,, EXTENSIVE !?!?!?! Mama and Mandy do that on a slow DAY !

733 Thor-Zone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:26pm

re: #729 Outrider

Again. More allegations with nothing to substantiate them. There is nothing concrete. More tossing stuff against the wall and hoping something sticks. Where do you get anything concrete that she did this?

A recorded phone call from the Department of Public Safety that was released and from the e-mails that were released. I don't trust the media as far as I can throw them.

734 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:53pm

re: #731 EIDE_Interface

This election worries me. If Obama wins, my entire way of life is up in the air.

Enough already. We're all appalled at the prospect of Obama becoming President. Stop dumping on everyone.

735 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:47:02pm

re: #733 Thor-Zone

A recorded phone call from the Department of Public Safety that was released and from the e-mails that were released. I don't trust the media as far as I can throw them.

Really. Give me a link to this recorded phone call allegation that isn't sourced off Daily Kos. Liar.

736 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:26pm

re: #731 EIDE_Interface

This election worries me. If Obama wins, my entire way of life is up in the air.

really,,,, what will change in your "entire life" !?!?!

I have been on this earth from Presidents Eisenhower to Bush 2. Not once in all that time has a President changed my "entire life". Please eleaborate

737 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:03pm

re: #733 Thor-Zone

A recorded phone call from the Department of Public Safety that was released and from the e-mails that were released. I don't trust the media as far as I can throw them.

What a bullshit self contradictory statement. Gamey Troll buttocks now being served on isle 1......

738 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:09pm

re: #736 sattv4u2

really,,,, what will change in your "entire life" !?!?!

I have been on this earth from Presidents Eisenhower to Bush 2. Not once in all that time has a President changed my "entire life". Please eleaborate

Obama will literally destroy the economy which means I'm out of work and have to move back in with my parents for years.

739 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:36pm

I step out for a couple of hours, come back and it's Saturday Night Dysfunctional Theater. Did they close a clinic around here?

740 wildcat84  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:47pm

Anyone else think the same thing I do, that the Pakistani capital's name is... very ironic and unintentionally truthful?

Islam-a-BAD.

741 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:50:07pm

re: #712 Thor-Zone

Truth be told, Hollis French is one of the worst bleeding heart liberals in the Alaska legislature. He comes from a very liberal district in West Anchorage. He is not someone I could vote for. That being said, I do not think he is a shill for Obama. You gotta remember Alaska hasn't voted for a democrat for president since JKF. I'm pretty sure it won't happen this time either.

Actually, he is a shill for Sen Obama.

French is a partisan who has endorsed Palin’s Democratic presidential ticket rival Barack Obama for president and is actively supporting his candidacy

...French, who is “project director” of the inquiry against Palin, and investigator Branchflower are two of three main players in this investigation Republicans say have been tainted by partisan politics. The other is Democratic Sen. Kim Elton, chairman of Alaska’s Legislature’s Legislative Council that’s overseeing the investigation. Both French and Elton are strong Obama backers...

742 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:50:40pm

re: #738 EIDE_Interface

Obama will literally destroy the economy which means I'm out of work and have to move back in with my parents for years.

So what are you going to do about it? Wring your hands? How about getting involved in the campaign?

743 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:51:00pm

re: #714 Thor-Zone

From the e-mails I read that were made public.

You seem to have read different E-mails than anyone else.

744 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:51:56pm

re: #333 EIDE_Interface

So it's all about gnashing of teeth and not actually doing anything about it.

How come you aren't depressed about this? You get depressed whenever a poll move a percentage point? It seems more like you are projecting your lack of caring for the world outside your house to other people. You need to stop being in an illusion.

745 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:09pm

re: #738 EIDE_Interface

Obama will literally destroy the economy which means I'm out of work and have to move back in with my parents for years.

As much as I abhor the thought of an Obama Presidency (shudder) our system of checks and balances and free market CANNOT be destroyed by a sitting Presidents policies. Could the Dow, NASDAQ, employment tic up or down? Of course, but it would be a mere blip (I know you're not old enough, but research ECONOMY, THE CARTER YEARS)

If you have a "job" that is so dependent upon the President ,,, RETRAIN and get a NEW JOB

746 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:11pm

re: #718 Thor-Zone

There was a recorded phone call where one of her staffers, Frank Bailey refered to it when he called the Department of Public Safety to talk about Trooper Wooten. It may still be available at the Anchorage Daily News website. You should listen to it. It isn't good.

Put up a link. I haven't even seen it referenced.

747 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:32pm

re: #739 Pullus Iulius

I step out for a couple of hours, come back and it's Saturday Night Dysfunctional Theater. Did they close a clinic around here?

ran out of pills !

748 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:55:08pm

re: #733 Thor-Zone

A recorded phone call from the Department of Public Safety that was released and from the e-mails that were released. I don't trust the media as far as I can throw them.

Again. Where is a link? And what E-mails. Nothing shows in the illegally acquired and published E-mails. Are there others?

749 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:55:53pm

re: #738 EIDE_Interface

Obama will literally destroy the economy which means I'm out of work and have to move back in with my parents for years.

For the sake of EIDE's parents, we must all do whatever we can to elect McCain/Palin.

750 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:56:46pm

Thor-zone
Are any links forthwith coming?

751 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:43pm

re: #750 Outrider

Thor-zone
Are any links forthwith coming?

or even comewith forthing

752 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:58:02pm

re: #435 Thor-Zone

So you are one of the corrupt Alaskans that is mad about losing money when you got a Gov. Palin? Time to man up and accept your faults and do the right thing there.

753 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:58:11pm

Anyways, I can't believe the American people would elect Obama, it's like a bullet to brain.

754 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:59:07pm

re: #749 Moe Katz

For the sake of EIDE's parents, we must all do whatever we can to elect McCain/Palin.

have to move back in with my parents for years.

I could have been mean and stated "You never moved OUT"..
But I won't state "You never moved OUT"
I'm not mean enough to state "You never moved OUT"

755 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:59:17pm

re: #746 Outrider

Put up a link. I haven't even seen it referenced.

Floppingaces has all this stuff

756 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:00:04pm
757 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:01:52pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

So what are you going to do about it? Wring your hands? How about getting involved in the campaign?

Yah i think I pointed this out to him also. But he would rather come to your door doing hand wringing than door rining. Eide needs to get a fact and then stand on it. Else it does look all mobyish.

758 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:03:01pm

Trolls to the left, mobys to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle again.

759 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:04:00pm

re: #758 pingjockey

Trolls to the left, mobys to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle again.

Afternoon ping.... Sam Adams?

760 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:07pm

re: #755 hazzyday

Floppingaces has all this stuff

I haven't seen the stuff Thor claims exists.

761 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:06:35pm

re: #759 doriangrey

Afternoon DG, actually I'm having a kokanee. Thank you though. Our weather has finally cooled down. High of 75 today, chance of showers, which we sorely need.

762 Outrider  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:08:49pm

OK Thor-Zone. I've waited long enough. I am assuming you were blowing smoke and I'm moving on. I'll check back later to see if you've posted links for the assertions you have made.

763 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:09pm

re: #761 pingjockey

Afternoon DG, actually I'm having a kokanee. Thank you though. Our weather has finally cooled down. High of 75 today, chance of showers, which we sorely need.

Are you borrowing our weather again? Na, cant be, ultra perfect day here. Current temp, 79, with a glorious breeze...

764 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:11:25pm

re: #151 NR Pax

I get a lot of strange looks when I refer to these things as homicide bombings, but the label is far more accurate.

And when they are directed at targets within Israel, they are, in actual fact, genocide bombings. Just read the stated goals of Hamas et al.

QED

765 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:14:37pm

re: #763 doriangrey
Nope. it is overcast and kinda chilly. Actually looks and feels like fall!

766 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:16:10pm

re: #765 pingjockey

Nope. it is overcast and kinda chilly. Actually looks and feels like fall!

Oh.... sorry to rub in the fact that I live in paradise and its a gloriously sunny day with utterly perfect weather....... ;p

767 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:17:43pm

re: #766 doriangrey
I used to live there, remember?! There are times, middle of February for instance, when I do miss it.

768 pegcity  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:18:39pm

is there a plan in place to secure the nukes when they whole situation goes into meltdown in 6 months from now.

769 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:53pm

Sharmuta says 'they' are coming out of the woodwork down on the Rev. Wrong thread. I'm gonna go get my fair share of the view.

770 Mark1957  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:22:26pm

Just a casual question: how many of the Pakistani dead and injured as a result of this evil deed were actually sympathetic to the Taliban and Al Qaeda?

Answer: We'll probably never know the actual number, but I'll bet we'd be surprised by it.

"What goes around, comes around."

771 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:24:20pm

re: #770 Mark1957

Just a casual question: how many of the Pakistani dead and injured as a result of this evil deed were actually sympathetic to the Taliban and Al Qaeda?

Answer: We'll probably never know the actual number, but I'll bet we'd be surprised by it.

"What goes around, comes around."

How about..... Not enough for $1000.00 Alex.......

772 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:40:02pm

re: #354 EIDE_Interface

Ugh. Just made a trip over to Washington Monthly, they seem to think that FL is now in the bag for Obama. Ugh.

Pollyanna you ain't.

Maybe we should start calling you Annayllop?

773 Daisy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:46:23pm

re: #768 pegcity

is there a plan in place to secure the nukes when they whole situation goes into meltdown in 6 months from now.

Oh yeah there is - Obama plans to 'dialogue' with all concerned parties.
And McCain plans to bomb bomb bombaIran.

774 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:57:26pm

re: #491 EIDE_Interface

Stop calling me an "it". Talk about insulting.

Well then, get yourself a gender.

And a spine.

775 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:17:28pm

re: #661 EIDE_Interface

There are other Mohammed Atta's out there, but they are staying quiet for 2 reasons:

1. The moderate Islamic community is informing on them
2. If they did launch a suicide attack, America would come down like a hammer on the Islamic community as a whole.

Inside knowledge, eh?

Might explain the animus against dogs.

/just sayin'

776 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 4:21:45pm

re: #685 Throbert McGee

You call that sadistic?! MY dog would get lady crickets to perform degrading sex acts on horseflies by threatening to eat their little baby cricket larvae. Then he'd mail compromising photographs to the lady crickets' husbands, and eat the babies anyway, while forcing the moms to watch!

Come to think of it, my dog was worse than Hitler, in many ways...

ROTFLMAO!

777 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:50:35pm

re: #28 nigella

This should be a wake up call to all those Americans who think Terrorism isn't that big a worry in this election. My question to them is: If this was a Marriott in the US, would you want Obama or McCain at the helm?You cannot, and I repeat cannot reason with terrorists. They want only one thing.....The total annihilation of Israel and the West!

2 AL QUADA ATTACKS IN A WEEK AND THE MSM IS IN FULL DENILE MODE the terrorist attacks go under the bus.

778 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 8:53:56pm

re: #745 sattv4u2

As much as I abhor the thought of an Obama Presidency (shudder) our system of checks and balances and free market CANNOT be destroyed by a sitting Presidents policies. Could the Dow, NASDAQ, employment tic up or down? Of course, but it would be a mere blip (I know you're not old enough, but research ECONOMY, THE CARTER YEARS)

If you have a "job" that is so dependent upon the President ,,, RETRAIN and get a NEW JOB

CARTER CAME DAMN CLOSE

779 US Navy Wife  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 9:14:47pm

re: #118 soccerdad

A thousand updings deserved... unfortunately, I have but one to give.

Thank you, sir.

780 Ripley45  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 9:14:55pm

9/20 was an inside job in 3,2,1...

/twoofer off

781 Wild Thing  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 11:34:03pm

Prayers for the soldiers family and any of our troops that are there.

782 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 21, 2008 4:17:19pm

islam delenda est


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