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Saturday Afternoon Open

Open | Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:51:52 pm PDT

An open thread for a sunny Saturday. I’m tweaking the spinoff links design, so if something looks or acts weird in that department, please bear with Stinky and me.

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1 Balian1193[deleted]  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:52:45pm
2 kynna  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:54:50pm

If something 'acts weird' I always blame myself. I'm usually right.

3 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:31pm

Careful number one. That can get your post deleted and you banned.

4 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:55:48pm

re: #1 Balian1193

uno?

Naughty naughty!

::shakes finger at Balian::

5 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:56:08pm

re: #1 Balian1193

Ummmmmmm....

6 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:56:31pm

re: #1 Balian1193

uno?

Please read the rules at the top of this page. Charles doesn't like users posting "Uno" or "one" or "first" or other types of identifiers indicating that you have managed to post the first entry in a thread.

Please refrain from this.

7 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:56:54pm

re: #1 Balian1193

Posts that contain phone numbers, addresses, or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"

8 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:11pm

Charcoal chimneys sure work well.

9 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:19pm

Walter, you're amongst the living. Was a bit worried after Thursday night.

10 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:41pm

dieci!

11 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:43pm

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

How's it hanging?

12 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:57:52pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Ummmmmmm....

Hi Mandy, that was a mild response from you. Are you not feeling well? :)

13 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:00pm

re: #1 Balian1193

uno?

Goodbye........................

14 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:30pm

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Hi Mandy, that was a mild response from you. Are you not feeling well? :)

Finer than a frog's hair, split three way.

15 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:32pm

Here!

16 Arkay  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:58:38pm

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

17 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:59:16pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

I think it's a load of bullshit.

18 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 1:59:55pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

Bullshit

19 Arkay  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:08pm

I think it's a load of bullshit.>

Oooookay. Why?

20 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:10pm

re: #11 MandyManners

How's it hanging?

You know, I love you folks. You leave me so wide open with your questions. And I know if I answer, Godfrey will just get annoyed. LOL.

To answer your question, it's still black and blue. I feel like I have some compitition with Scrotum Man going on here, he's got the biggest, I got the bluest.

21 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:22pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

Nope. We conservatives realize that the threat nObama brings with him is worse than anything we've seen since '76 with Caaaaater.

22 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:00:31pm

re: #16 Arkay


The right might very well hate the bailout. That's why we need to send two reformers to Washington.

McCain / Palin '08

23 Rageman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:01:38pm

Obama is using mysogeny(Clinton dis), race baiting("THOSE REPUBS will say "HE IS BLACK"), lies + fraud ( Limbaugh commercial) . Whata Chicago politician!

24 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:01:51pm

And the right also knows damn well that it is the Democrats who have used Fannie and Freddie as their own personal slush fund.

Even more reason to vote

McCain / Palin '08

25 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:29pm

re: #23 Rageman

Obama is using mysogeny(Clinton dis), race baiting("THOSE REPUBS will say "HE IS BLACK"), lies + fraud ( Limbaugh commercial) . Whata Chicago politician!

His own party members (white 30%) won't vote for him because of race.

26 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:47pm

re: #9 Perplexed

Walter, you're amongst the living. Was a bit worried after Thursday night.

I'm here. And I'm going to be back at the theatre tonight working lights for our new show that opened last night.

It will still be a few weeks before I can do the more physical stuff (building sets, cleaning, lifting etc), but so far it appears to be going fine.

Barely no pain, but still a lot of brusing and a bit of swelling around the waist and crouch.

My first official follow up visit is this coming Wed.

27 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:02:56pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

I hope you're feeling better, Walter. All it takes is a bit of time and some serious stonkin' drugs.

28 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:16pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

It might be true if Bush were running for re-election, but he ain't.

29 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:41pm

Not having attended a school with a big college football program, I kinda adopted Notre Dame as my college football team ( I know not terribly original ). Well I am starting to sour on Charlie Weiss. And dam he should lose some weight besides his job.

30 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:03:53pm

re: #19 Arkay

I think it's a load of bullshit.>

Oooookay. Why?

The American people aren't stupid.

31 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:02pm

Let's recap, Saeah Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner for not firing a State Trooper and replaced him with a Public Safety Commissioner who didn't fire the State Trooper.

/everybody up to speed now?

32 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:07pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

You know, I love you folks. You leave me so wide open with your questions. And I know if I answer, Godfrey will just get annoyed. LOL.

To answer your question, it's still black and blue. I feel like I have some compitition with Scrotum Man going on here, he's got the biggest, I got the bluest.

Thank you for sharing!

33 godfrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:09pm

These head fakes from the Obama campaign are amusing.

It will still be a McCain landslide.

Nice try, sleepers.

34 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:18pm

re: #16 Arkay

Its not looking good at the moment, I'll grant ya that.

35 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:39pm

re: #27 godfrey

I hope you're feeling better, Walter. All it takes is a bit of time and some serious stonkin' drugs.

I am. Thanks. No real pain. Most of the pain meds have been being used in a sort of "recreational mode," hell, I paid for them.

36 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:04:54pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

I'm here. And I'm going to be back at the theatre tonight working lights for our new show that opened last night.

It will still be a few weeks before I can do the more physical stuff (building sets, cleaning, lifting etc), but so far it appears to be going fine.

Barely no pain, but still a lot of brusing and a bit of swelling around the waist and crouch.

My first official follow up visit is this coming Wed.

How's the show. Lost a blogger here around a year ago. Alan Kelly. Guy had some medical problems and one day he was gone. No updates, lived by himself, etc. A St Louis friend sent the police over and they found him dead. Not a good way to go.

37 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:01pm

re: #28 Spiny Norman

It might be true if Bush were running for re-election, but he ain't.

It might also be true if Bush hadn't tried to correct this in 2003 only to have the dems refuse to do so. So if its game over for anyone, its game over for the dems responsible for this mess...

38 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:15pm

re: #31 Killian Bundy

Let's recap, Saeah Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner for not firing a State Trooper and replaced him with a Public Safety Commissioner who didn't fire the State Trooper.

/everybody up to speed now?

IMPEACH! ! !

/kos

39 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:33pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

I'd wear a kilt if I were you.

40 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:05:42pm

re: #37 doriangrey

It might also be true if Bush hadn't tried to correct this in 2003 only to have the dems refuse to do so. So if its game over for anyone, its game over for the dems responsible for this mess...

Yes, but we have to do a better job of getting that message out! And fast!

41 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:09pm

re: #25 Perplexed

His own party members (white 30%) won't vote for him because of race.


Then again, his own party members (black) will vote for him (95%) because of race.
;)

42 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:16pm

re: #39 MandyManners

Guys don't sit right for that.....

43 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:18pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Not having attended a school with a big college football program, I kinda adopted Notre Dame as my college football team ( I know not terribly original ). Well I am starting to sour on Charlie Weiss. And dam he should lose some weight besides his job.

I just checked on espn.com, and UT is letting those fucking Gators win.

44 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:34pm

re: #24 mama winger

Mama Winger, for you and all citizens of the Cubs Nation, it looks like you clinch the division today. Cubs are up 3 t 0 & if that doesn't work the Brewers are losing.

45 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:06:36pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?


I don't think your friend is as well placed as he thinks if that is what he is saying.The left will blame the Bush administration no doubt but those of us on the right know that Bush is not running for reelection.

46 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:22pm

re: #36 Perplexed

*whack*

47 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:07:58pm

re: #41 Irene NYC

Then again, his own party members (black) will vote for him (95%) because of race.
;)

The blacks make up only around 25% of the total population. I suspect minority voters for nObama might be disappointed when he loses big.

48 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:08:00pm

re: #37 doriangrey

It might also be true if Bush hadn't tried to correct this in 2003 only to have the dems refuse to do so. So if its game over for anyone, its game over for the dems responsible for this mess...

Very little of that inconvenient truth will get past the Media Gatekeepers™, unfortunately. The Democrats responsible for setting up the scam in the first place will be protected. As always.

49 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:08:01pm

re: #43 MandyManners

I just checked on espn.com, and UT is letting those fucking Gators win.

Well were I come from 20-0 is letting someone win, but getting your ass kicked?

50 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:00pm

re: #44 opnion

Mama Winger, for you and all citizens of the Cubs Nation, it looks like you clinch the division today. Cubs are up 3 t 0 & if that doesn't work the Brewers are losing.

Yup, congats Mama. And good luck in the playoffs. Stay away from any goats also.

51 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:12pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Not having attended a school with a big college football program, I kinda adopted Notre Dame as my college football team ( I know not terribly original ). Well I am starting to sour on Charlie Weiss. And dam he should lose some weight besides his job.

I actually could have written that. Weiss had two secrets to success,
Tom Brady & Brady Quinn. I would like to see Skip Holtz get the job.
Go Irish!

52 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:16pm

re: #47 Perplexed

Yes, I know, I was just playing around. But the point still holds. Racism and identity politics is alive and well with the dems.
;)

53 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:18pm

re: #24 mama winger

And the right also knows damn well that it is the Democrats who have used Fannie and Freddie as their own personal slush fund. Even more reason to vote McCain / Palin '08

This whole thing really bothers me. I was reading up on the "deal" and it looks like the gov is willing to pay 700 billion to buy out the bad mortgage paper.

Yet, this in no way helps any mortgage holders who truely needs some help. This only bails out the lenders.

So, the lenders don't take a real negative hit but the borrowers who REALLY have taken a financial hit from the economy, job lost, out sourcing and so forth, they are still on the hook for every cent.

And a further burden have been placed on them in the form of taxes to pay for all this, which HAS to come from somewhere, which ususally means US.

Or am I missing something here?

54 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:09:53pm

re: #49 Nevergiveup

Tough to win when you turn it over everythime you get inside the 5

55 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:10:23pm

re: #39 MandyManners

I'd wear a kilt if I were you.

Whoa, sexy.

56 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:10:51pm

re: #44 opnion

Mama Winger, for you and all citizens of the Cubs Nation, it looks like you clinch the division today. Cubs are up 3 t 0 & if that doesn't work the Brewers are losing.

I know I KNOW ! ! ! ! !

WOO - HOOOOOOOOOO!


what did I say way back in May - this is the YEAR!

I have to go watch some serious game now. If I don't come back it is because I have collapsed from sheer joy and amazement .....

57 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:10:59pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Well, when a person lives alone, has medical problems, then suddenly goes away (even briefly)....

58 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:11:26pm

re: #48 Spiny Norman

Very little of that inconvenient truth will get past the Media Gatekeepers™, unfortunately. The Democrats responsible for setting up the scam in the first place will be protected. As always.

I am getting the sense that the MSM is loosing its grip on who knows what and the internet is sending those Morlocks to the dust bin of history....

59 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:11:45pm

Mr Dt told me to read this and then I had nightmares - from the blog of a weapons expert: Perfect Storm from Hell

When the USSR was falling apart, and in the aftermath of the USSR breakup, Iran spend a lot of money to hire some of the best Soviet biological war experts. The advanced biowar weapons that Iran has developed gives Iran a Global Strategic Weapon of Mass Destruction that can unleash levels of death among the populations of the major neo-con nations (USA, UK, France, German, Italy, etc.) very similar to that from a global strategic nuclear strike. This means that Iran and her allies have a MAD with America, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, German, Italy, etc.

Most people think of biological warfare as anthrax and smallpox; they do not understand that there has been a major shift in technology. The difference between the old biowar (that most people think of) and advanced biowar (with its recombination DNA designer super killer viruses) is like the difference between an old Model T Ford and a 2008 Rolls Royce Phantom. Both are cars, or biological weapons, but there is a difference of several orders of magnitude.

Regardless of how a war against Iran breaks out, it is likely to very quickly escalate to the usage of WMD. There has been talk among USAF war planners of a 1,200 (some say 2,000 to 3,000 or more) target attack on Iran’s nuclear, industrial, military, political and religious infrastructure. If a foreign enemy were to bomb 1,200 or more targets in the United States what would be the response of the American government and it’s military? Actually the answer to this question is well known. The stated doctrine of the United States of America is to rain hundreds of hydrogen bombs (WMD) on the territory and people of such an aggressor; this has been our policy for approximately 60 years. Why do we presuppose that the Iranians would not do the same?

60 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:11:47pm

re: #52 Irene NYC

Yes, I know, I was just playing around. But the point still holds. Racism and identity politics is alive and well with the dems.
;)

Right, can you imagine a poll of Republicans, showing a significant segment reluctant to vote for Colin Powell, because of race?

61 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:12:19pm

re: #56 mama winger

I know I KNOW ! ! ! ! !

WOO - HOOOOOOOOOO!


what did I say way back in May - this is the YEAR!

I have to go watch some serious game now. If I don't come back it is because I have collapsed from sheer joy and amazement .....

Enjoy

62 ggt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:12:45pm

re: #16 Arkay

I think the bombing in Isamambad will counter-act that way of thinking. Especially if the public hears and believes the truth --that both Bush and McCain wanted to address the Fannie/Freddie issue years ago.

63 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:13:13pm

"I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday"

Jeez, give me a break! How phony can you get?

Sounds exactly like: I am a lifelong Republican, but for the first time in my life.... BS!

64 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:13:16pm

re: #49 Nevergiveup

*whack* *whack* *whack*

65 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:13:46pm

re: #58 doriangrey

I am getting the sense that the MSM is loosing its grip on who knows what and the internet is sending those Morlocks to the dust bin of history....

Local finance guy on radio today claimed that Robert Rubin - clinton guy, now Obama advisor, wrote in his book about the importance of keeping certain information "from the market" meaning keeping people in the dark. His idea.

66 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:14:50pm

re: #58 doriangrey

I am getting the sense that the MSM is loosing its grip on who knows what and the internet is sending those Morlocks to the dust bin of history....

Oh, it will eventually, but a majority (shrinking though it may be) of citizens still use the MSM as their only source of information.

67 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:14:57pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

I have LOTS of 'well-placed' friends on the Hill. Hubby is a lobbyist.

Bullshit.

68 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:15:31pm

re: #47 Perplexed

The blacks make up only around 25% of the total population. I suspect minority voters for nObama might be disappointed when he loses big.


Cry enough for 25% of the population, but actually only 15%?

69 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:15:49pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

WTF? Don't We the People get to decide, or are the powers that be just going to decide all this sh*t for us? Tell your friend I said s/he can kiss my ass.

70 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:16:01pm

re: #36 Perplexed

How's the show. Lost a blogger here around a year ago. Alan Kelly. Guy had some medical problems and one day he was gone. No updates, lived by himself, etc. A St Louis friend sent the police over and they found him dead. Not a good way to go.

The acting fine, the quality of the production, fine, the subject matter, well, it's been done before, over and over.

It's called "Summertree" and it looks at Vietnam from the personal side of things, not the political side.

But, it was written in the 70's, it's got all the metaphors and hooks you would expect it to have to overly tug at your heart strings, I really consider it sophomoric (sp?) writing.

It's sort of like "Tuesdays with Morrie," with war as the subject. It's got the little kid (getting killed in various ways during the show), the motherly mom, the unfullfilled dad, the hippie girlfriend, all very surface, no depth, no nuance.

Our production, excellent, worth the two hours, the material, a 3 hanky show that the liberals will trip all over getting to see it.

71 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:16:43pm

Donald Rumsfeld made Condoleezza Rice cry in the White House

Known as the Steel Magnolia in her youth, Miss Rice has guided the US through the war on terror, looked tyrants in the eye and faced down terrorist threats during her nation's darkest hours.

But a new book reveals that she was not so steadfast in facing down her own more personal enemies within the Bush administration.

Instead, Miss Rice was so fazed by former Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that she burst into tears at a meeting in the White House situation room.

/he's such a mean old man

72 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:16:43pm

re: #60 opnion

Right, can you imagine a poll of Republicans, showing a significant segment reluctant to vote for Colin Powell, because of race?


Goodness, everyone would be drawn and quartered pronto!
;)

73 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:18pm

re: #67 wahabicorridor

I have LOTS of 'well-placed' friends on the Hill. Hubby is a lobbyist.

Bullshit.


I have a friend on the RNC. They are confident.

74 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:18pm

Last update - 23:49 20/09/2008

Diplomats: No evidence Syria site bombed by IAF was nuclear reactor

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Must have been one hell of indoor beauty spa?

75 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:20pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton


Walter, what happened to you?

/get better soon!

76 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:33pm

re: #56 mama winger

I know I KNOW ! ! ! ! !

WOO - HOOOOOOOOOO!


what did I say way back in May - this is the YEAR!

I have to go watch some serious game now. If I don't come back it is because I have collapsed from sheer joy and amazement .....

Congrats, Mama, and this from a patriotic member of Red Sox Nation!

77 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:45pm

re: #59 DistantThunder

One of the issues with bio weapons is that you only want a 25-40% mortality rate. You want a near 95% infection rate so that the citizenry are bogged down with sickness. When you begin to exceed that mortality rate the infected places just get written off as lost. The Capt Trips of Stephan King are fantasy unless you're using a doomsday weapon that kills both you and your enemy.

78 winston06  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:17:56pm

good afternoon guys

79 once and future angeleno  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:18:18pm

Re seatbelts on trains

Been meaning to ask this ... why are there no seatbelts on trains (thinking of recent terrible event in Simi Valley)?

For years there was scoffing at the idea that school busses needed to be safer inside, but I now see busses with highback seats, padded better than the steel rails that went across the back of seats (right at tooth level) when I was a kid. Seatbelts? I don't know if they've gone that far.

A year or so ago there was a bad crash in Atlanta of a leased bus carrying a college team, where the bus flipped over the railing and landed below -- I recall comments then that there would likely not have been such a severe list of injured and dead if there had been ... seatbelts.

The commentary on the Simi Valley crash was that people were flying unhindered through the air at 80 mph at the time of impact -- a situation that would have been prevented with seatbelts. Yes, there would still have been injuries and death, but I'd just as soon have a chance at survival with a seatbelt.

Anyone got any data here? Are we up against lobbyists from the bus manufacturers persuading our loyal elected officials against legislation? I'm NOT a fan of big government, but isn't safety at this level something that government should be handling? Thanks.

80 saltmarsh  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:18:18pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

How long have you been friends with Arlan Specter?

81 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:18:58pm

re: #72 Irene NYC

Goodness, everyone would be drawn and quartered pronto!
;)

Yeah, but my point is that his race would not be relevant to Republican voters for Colin Powell. Dems play identity politics.

82 lummox  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:03pm

re: #44 opnion

Mama Winger, for you and all citizens of the Cubs Nation, it looks like you clinch the division today. Cubs are up 3 t 0 & if that doesn't work the Brewers are losing.

Let's not forget goats, black cats & grabby fans though.

83 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:12pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

Besides, you shouldn't share stuff like that- EIDE_Interface will wring his hands and think that the sky is falling.

84 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:32pm

re: #75 wahabicorridor

Walter, what happened to you? /get better soon!

Indirect inguinal hernia surgery, this past Tues. Managed care sort of procedure, get em' in, get em' out, go home, call if something falls off.

85 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:32pm

re: #74 Nevergiveup

Last update - 23:49 20/09/2008

Diplomats: No evidence Syria site bombed by IAF was nuclear reactor

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Must have been one hell of indoor beauty spa?

The Syrians sure made all the evidence (even the rubble) disappear in a freaking hurry after the bombing, so naturally "diplomats" would say that.

86 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:39pm

re: #67 wahabicorridor

I have LOTS of 'well-placed' friends on the Hill. Hubby is a lobbyist.

Bullshit.

The right hates Obama's socialist values worse. Republicans do not want terrorists in the Lincoln bedroom. Catholic's who usually vote democrat are up in arms with Biden and his abortion stance. So far 55 bishops have publicly come out against him. Even the Knights of Columbus are taking out ads against Obama.

Obama is unlikable in a way that kennedy and clinton were NOT - and then there is Michelle: one of the sourest, most pessimistic, and low-class, as in tacky, sounding political wives I can ever remember.

Research shows that the most pessimistic candidate always loses.

87 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:19:48pm

re: #43 MandyManners

I just checked on espn.com, and UT is letting those fucking Gators win.

Every team wants a Tebow, but only one team has one! 8-p

88 right_in_canada  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:20:09pm

Hi fellow LGF bloggers, I just woke up from nice long nap. How are we all doing ?

89 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:20:41pm

re: #82 lummox

Let's not forget goats, black cats & grabby fans though.

And how about the dreaded Hewitt actuary, Steve Bartman?

90 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:20:47pm

re: #71 Killian Bundy

Donald Rumsfeld made Condoleezza Rice cry in the White House

/he's such a mean old man

Well I don't give a shit that she cryed, but I am sorry to hear that the "Hawks" lost out.

91 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:20:59pm

re: #81 opnion

Yeah, but my point is that his race would not be relevant to Republican voters for Colin Powell. Dems play identity politics.

And my point was that your point wouldn't matter because the only news that would be played 24/7 by the MSM would be that the Rethuglicans are racists and deserve to die. (Even if they aren't.)
;)

92 politicalinsomniac  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:19pm

re: #87 sandspur

Every team wants a Tebow, but only one team has one! 8-p

I wonder if the Vols will even score today....

93 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:25pm

re: #87 sandspur

ttthhhppppppppppppptttttttttt

94 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:33pm

A Ronald Reagan knew more about human nature, and thus what drives the Soviet Union than did all the Ivy-League Soviet specialists that surrounded Jimmy Carter — much less the Sally Quins and Maureen Dowds of that age. We in America, unlike the Europeans, know this intuitively, grasp that a Harry Truman figured out the Russian communists far better than did the Harvard-educated aristocrat FDR.

- VDH

95 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:41pm

re: #73 opnion

I would have preferred to hear 'they know they are in a tough fight'. Respectfully, on a lot of issues I am tired of happy talk.

96 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:21:52pm

re: #47 Perplexed

The blacks make up only around 25% of the total population. I suspect minority voters for nObama might be disappointed when he loses big.

Less than that, actually. Blacks are about 12.9% of the population nationally, although that varies from state to state. Here in Georgia, for instance, it's about 24%, I think.

I'm sure this was discussed earlier, but here's a link to the poll that basically says whites are all a bunch of racists therefore Obama is in trouble:

Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

Way way down, you finally get to this:

Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.
97 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:22:30pm

re: #92 politicalinsomniac

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98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:22:42pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

call if something falls off

UH OH!
Think maybe the surgeon knows he might have made a slip?

99 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:22:56pm

re: #86 DistantThunder

Obama will not carry the Catholioc vote. Pretty Sarah took care of that.
(I know that she is not Catholic, but she is popular with Catholics)

100 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:23:02pm

re: #33 godfrey

Good grief, we are positively infested.

101 Spiny Norman  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:23:09pm

re: #97 MandyManners

Umm... that's just whack.

;^)

102 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:23:11pm

re: #89 opnion

And how about the dreaded Hewitt actuary, Steve Bartman?

I think Bartman and grabby fans are one and the same.

103 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:23:41pm

re: #79 once and future angeleno

Seatbelts on school busses is not a good idea. As an old school bus driver, I can tell you the reasoning for NOT having them is this: A full sized bus can carry up to 72 small children. Should that bus catch fire, or hit water, the chances of a single driver getting them unbuckled is zero. Hence the high seats.

104 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:23:58pm

re: #91 Irene NYC

And my point was that your point wouldn't matter because the only news that would be played 24/7 by the MSM would be that the Rethuglicans are racists and deserve to die. (Even if they aren't.)
;)

I get your drift. Also, Powell would probably be portrayed as a TOM.

105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:11pm

Mandy's in fine form

*duck*

106 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:25pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter, good to see you. All the best with the recovery.

107 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:27pm

re: #104 opnion

I get your drift. Also, Powell would probably be portrayed as a TOM.

Most definitely.
;)

108 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:24:31pm

re: #100 Meremortal

Good grief, we are positively infested.

What's really sad is they seem to think it will work on this crowd.

109 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:00pm

re: #101 Spiny Norman

110 opnion  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:12pm

re: #102 Nevergiveup

I think Bartman and grabby fans are one and the same.

Uh, yeah. I read Crabby fans. Later , half time is over.

111 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:15pm

re: #98 pre-Boomer Marine brat

UH OH!
Think maybe the surgeon knows he might have made a slip?

I was being snarky. :)

112 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:19pm
Hi fellow LGF bloggers, I just woke up from nice long nap. How are we all doing ?

Made it through the 8 year old's bowling birthday party. Mr DT choose to go with the teenagers on the church canoe trip. His canoe hit a snag and capsized.
I came home with a migraine - but took half a vicodin.

Other than that it's a glorious day in the east. However - this bombing has really upset me. Terrorists ruining thousands of lives - again.

113 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:34pm

re: #107 Irene NYC

Most definitely.
;)

Thanks.

114 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:47pm

At Gateway Pundit

The more it's spewed by the drive-by press (MSM), the more it's going to back fire on Obama. People do not like being accused of racism, nor do they like being told they are "stupid redneck hicks" if they don't vote for him.

Let the Kathleen Sebelius "codeword" attacks continue, and let all the Woody Allens in the US decry how humiliated we'd be if we don't elect Obama, but in the end, they might just cost Obama the election by alienating white voters.

115 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:25:54pm

re: #94 debutaunt

A Ronald Reagan knew more about human nature, and thus what drives the Soviet Union than did all the Ivy-League Soviet specialists that surrounded Jimmy Carter — much less the Sally Quins and Maureen Dowds of that age. We in America, unlike the Europeans, know this intuitively, grasp that a Harry Truman figured out the Russian communists far better than did the Harvard-educated aristocrat FDR.

- VDH

Genius - both of them.

116 ggt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:26:09pm

gotta go, short stay.

have a great day all!

117 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:26:28pm

In other news, Dallas has left behind summer and will have beautiful weather for the next 8-9 months.

I can't tell you how happy I am that I will never shovel snow again.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:02pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

I was being snarky. :)

*grin*
I know, and I'm male and have had one of those operations.
/he said in a very high-pitched voice

119 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:02pm

re: #106 Meremortal

Hey Walter, good to see you. All the best with the recovery.

Sorry IRENE, my 113 was meant for 106, but Hi.

120 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:37pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Or am I missing something here?

Yes, you are missing something.

Let me know if I need to explain what 'mark to market' is. It's an accounting rule imposed post-Enron. Basically, it says that you must value your assets according to what you could sell them for TODAY.

When the market for subprime mortgage derivatives like credit default swaps tanked, they had to be marked with a value of zero.

Everyone's books imploded.

What Paulson is doing is buying all the paper AND CREATING A MARKET FOR IT. The underlying assets, - the houses - DO have value, after all.

The paper will be auctioned. People may actually make money from this. We'll see.

Treasury is basically acting as a bankruptcy court.

121 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:47pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Greetings, Shar. I'm aggravated to see it working on some.

Sigh...

122 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:27:58pm

re: #97 MandyManners

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Oh my, looks like somebody is going to need a new clue-by-four after all that whacking..... :O

123 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:28:12pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Sorry IRENE, my 113 was meant for 106, but Hi.

Hi back, Walter. Glad to hear you're feeling better, you handsome hunk!
;)

124 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:28:46pm

re: #93 MandyManners

ttthhhppppppppppppptttttttttt

Well, OK! I was expecting a whack! 8-)

125 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:20pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Sorry IRENE, my 113 was meant for 106, but Hi.

Walter, pass me that pill bottle, will you? Heehee.

126 right_in_canada  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:37pm

re: #31 Killian Bundy

Let's recap, Saeah Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner for not firing a State Trooper and replaced him with a Public Safety Commissioner who didn't fire the State Trooper.

/everybody up to speed now?


That's her BIIIIIG scandal ?

Oh she ought be ashamed, I thought she was gonna be a good VP until I heard that !

///

127 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:52pm

re: #117 Shay4l

In other news, Dallas has left behind summer and will have beautiful weather for the next 8-9 months.

I can't tell you how happy I am that I will never shovel snow again.

How did you know. I lived in Dallas for 13 years. The only change of season we had was for about 2 weeks in Feb. Other than that, it was warm, hot or hotter, rain, no rain or tornados.

I remember one winter when I was in Houston, around 1988. We had 3 weeks of blow freezing. Pipes were bursting all over the region. There was a six month wait for plumbers.

Walter in Golden, Co.

128 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:56pm

re: #114 Intrepid

At Gateway Pundit

The more it's spewed by the drive-by press (MSM), the more it's going to back fire on Obama. People do not like being accused of racism, nor do they like being told they are "stupid redneck hicks" if they don't vote for him.

Let the Kathleen Sebelius "codeword" attacks continue, and let all the Woody Allens in the US decry how humiliated we'd be if we don't elect Obama, but in the end, they might just cost Obama the election by alienating white voters.

EXACTLY! When I worked at Nordstrom years ago - I finished wrapping a gift package and turned to the next customer who was across the jewelry bay behind me - a black woman - who angrily asked: 'Are you telling me that you really didn't see me?" I was so shocked. I had been facing the other side of the store wrapping a package - I did not have eyes in the back of my head. There also happened to be a high cupboard island filled with jewelry in the center of the jewelry bay - and she was behind THAT.

I was mortified that she was so dellusional to think that I could see through cases and wooden structures. She could have EASILY walked around to my side of the cases to get my attention.

Talk about a CHIP on her shoulder - more like a boulder.

129 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:29:59pm

I think Palin can speak, and reason, and navigate with bureaucrats and lawyers as well as can Obama; but he surely cannot understand hunters, and mechanics and carpenters like she can. And a Putin or a Chavez or a Wall-Street speculator that runs a leverage brokerage house is more a hunter than a professor or community organizer. Harvard Law School is not as valuable a touchstone to human nature as raising five children in Alaska while going toe-to-toe with pretty tough, hard-nose Alaskan males.

More VDH

130 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:01pm

re: #120 wahabicorridor

Yes, you are missing something.

Let me know if I need to explain what 'mark to market' is. It's an accounting rule imposed post-Enron. Basically, it says that you must value your assets according to what you could sell them for TODAY.

When the market for subprime mortgage derivatives like credit default swaps tanked, they had to be marked with a value of zero.

Everyone's books imploded.

What Paulson is doing is buying all the paper AND CREATING A MARKET FOR IT. The underlying assets, - the houses - DO have value, after all.

The paper will be auctioned. People may actually make money from this. We'll see.

Treasury is basically acting as a bankruptcy court.


Thank you for that, it's nice to get some information not available from the MSM.

131 Truck Monkey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:17pm

re: #47 Perplexed

The blacks make up only around 25% of the total population. I suspect minority voters for nObama might be disappointed when he loses big.

About 1/2 of that actually. 12.7% to be exact.

132 looking closely  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:37pm

re: #31 Killian Bundy

Let's recap, Saeah Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner for not firing a State Trooper and replaced him with a Public Safety Commissioner who didn't fire the State Trooper.

/everybody up to speed now?

That isn't necessarily a contradiction (even assuming its true).

The first guy was fired for insubordination, probably chronic (ie it wasn't necessarily the non-firing that got him canned, but that was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back).

By the time PSC#2 came around, things may have been different,

133 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:45pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

It might work if this year the Repubs weren't putting up two candidates famous for running corruption from both parties out of town on a rail.

If Mac makes it plain to the voters that Obama has ZERO record in fighting Dems who - like himself - had both pockets stuffed with cash from floundering financial rackets and their helmsmen, while Mac has been shown willing to wipe out fraud regardless of the side of the aisle supporting it, Americans would flock to pull the (R) lever.

"vote for Obama, leave most of the crooks right where they DON'T belong"

As for the right hating the bailout: A major depression would cost more jobs, more relief $$$, more bank, financial institution and industry failure, FDIC payouts, and ultimate make a trillion dollar payback for the taxpayer look like a day at the beach. And if repubs are repulsed by the government getting involved in a bailout scheme, let them imagine how much power government programs and makework projects would give Big Brother in the event of a broader economic meltdown.

134 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:30:53pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Indirect inguinal hernia surgery, this past Tues. Managed care sort of procedure, get em' in, get em' out, go home, call if something falls off.


I just lost my appetite. I'm so sorry. *gentle hug*

135 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:01pm

re: #92 politicalinsomniac

I wonder if the Vols will even score today....

I hope not!
Of course, after all the hoo-ha about the end-of-game field goal in the Miami game, the Gators will probably be called out for not stopping the game at the end of the third quarter!

136 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:31:55pm

re: #131 Truck Monkey

About 1/2 of that actually. 12.7% to be exact.

Estimated high that way can't get dinged for attempting to minimize the effects of one of nObama's voting blocs.

137 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:32:01pm

Addendum to my #96: I just caught this gem:

Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

Slavery is not mentioned once in the Constitution, aside from the amendment banning it. Article 1, Section 2 describes the method of counting people for apportioning representatives and refers to free persons, Indians, and "all others." It by no means establishes a constitutional right to own slaves.

138 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:32:42pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

How did you know. I lived in Dallas for 13 years. The only change of season we had was for about 2 weeks in Feb. Other than that, it was warm, hot or hotter, rain, no rain or tornados.

I remember one winter when I was in Houston, around 1988. We had 3 weeks of blow freezing. Pipes were bursting all over the region. There was a six month wait for plumbers.

Walter in Golden, Co.


Lucked out. My then-future-wife lived here. So I came, having the more portable physical and non-physical assets.

139 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:18pm

Some teams just have the characteristics of a winner. This ND team does NOT.

140 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:33:56pm

BBL.

141 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:00pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Indirect inguinal hernia surgery, this past Tues. Managed care sort of procedure, get em' in, get em' out, go home, call if something falls off.

/squat thrusts

142 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:17pm

re: #133 runrabbitrun

"vote for Obama, leave most of the crooks right where they DON'T belong"

Support Corruption- Elect Democrats

143 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:20pm

re: #122 doriangrey

Oh my, looks like somebody is going to need a new clue-by-four after all that whacking..... :O

Steel core.

144 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:21pm

re: #123 Irene NYC

Hi back, Walter. Glad to hear you're feeling better, you handsome hunk! ;)

Well, really, thanks for the compliment, but I'm not so hunky anymore. As you all know, I've lost over 160 pounds sionce that picture was taken, and now, at 55, all that baby fat is gone and I look more like a wrinkled older man.

And the super dry Colorado weather doesn't help. Most people who have spent a good amount of time in Colorado (I've been here 20 years), eventualy find out why leather looks like it does after many years of use.

But that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. You are a woman, yes? LOL.

145 Truck Monkey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:32pm

re: #63 Shay4l

"I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday"

Jeez, give me a break! How phony can you get?

Sounds exactly like: I am a lifelong Republican, but for the first time in my life.... BS!

Kind of reads like a Penthouse Forum story. "I don't know how I got to drive the bus to Lesbian Cheerleader Camp, but I was just happy to be aboard. You'll never believe what happened next......"

146 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:40pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

either a nancy boy bedwetter, or one of the guys who wants McCain to lose because he's gonna stop the pork train. There's a whole lotta GOP porkers in congress who don't like McCain one little bit.

147 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:54pm

re: #124 sandspur

Well, OK! I was expecting a whack! 8-)

My arm was a tired.

148 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:57pm

re: #86 DistantThunder


You're not gonna believe this. We have a very good friend, a GOP staffer, who wants Obama to win because - get this - he'll suck so much the Republicans will sweep Congress in the midterms.

I love her to death but I could beat her with a stick.

149 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:34:58pm

re: #79 once and future angeleno

Re seatbelts on trains

Been meaning to ask this ... why are there no seatbelts on trains (thinking of recent terrible event in Simi Valley)?

For years there was scoffing at the idea that school busses needed to be safer inside, but I now see busses with highback seats, padded better than the steel rails that went across the back of seats (right at tooth level) when I was a kid. Seatbelts? I don't know if they've gone that far.

A year or so ago there was a bad crash in Atlanta of a leased bus carrying a college team, where the bus flipped over the railing and landed below -- I recall comments then that there would likely not have been such a severe list of injured and dead if there had been ... seatbelts.

The commentary on the Simi Valley crash was that people were flying unhindered through the air at 80 mph at the time of impact -- a situation that would have been prevented with seatbelts. Yes, there would still have been injuries and death, but I'd just as soon have a chance at survival with a seatbelt.

Anyone got any data here? Are we up against lobbyists from the bus manufacturers persuading our loyal elected officials against legislation? I'm NOT a fan of big government, but isn't safety at this level something that government should be handling? Thanks.

No question that they should have belts and people can choose to wear them - actually - they should be mandated to wear them so that people don't go flying across the train and slam into others who are securely fastened.

150 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:35:28pm

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

Walter, your eyes are lovely. Forget about the rest. ;)
/yes, I'm female.

151 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:35:41pm

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

Well, really, thanks for the compliment, but I'm not so hunky anymore. As you all know, I've lost over 160 pounds sionce that picture was taken, and now, at 55, all that baby fat is gone and I look more like a wrinkled older man.

And the super dry Colorado weather doesn't help. Most people who have spent a good amount of time in Colorado (I've been here 20 years), eventualy find out why leather looks like it does after many years of use.

But that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. You are a woman, yes? LOL.

Walter - how did you lose the weight? What was the most useful thing you did?

152 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:35:45pm

re: #143 MandyManners

Steel core.

Planning on knee capping ( or as some refer to it as tonya harding ) someone?

153 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:36:14pm

re: #145 Truck Monkey

Kind of reads like a Penthouse Forum story. "I don't know how I got to drive the bus to Lesbian Cheerleader Camp, but I was just happy to be aboard. You'll never believe what happened next......"

Or yes, the attack of the "concern troll"

They really have gotten out here lately, haven't they?

154 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:36:56pm

re: #141 Killian Bundy

/squat thrusts

Bad Killian, Bad, bad...!

155 Macker  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:24pm

re: #146 funky chicken

either a nancy boy bedwetter....

Speaking of Nancy, does anyone know how she's doing in her titanic battle against Mama Moonbat?

156 looking closely  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:28pm

re: #131 Truck Monkey

Its not how many Blacks there are that matters, really.

Its how many of them show up to vote (presumably for reasons of identity) in "swing" states.

157 Meremortal  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:37:58pm

It's so nice around here right now I hate to leave. Duty calls. See you all later.

158 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:38:17pm

re: #148 wahabicorridor

You're not gonna believe this. We have a very good friend, a GOP staffer, who wants Obama to win because - get this - he'll suck so much the Republicans will sweep Congress in the midterms.

I love her to death but I could beat her with a stick.

My son is joining the airforce _ and I could imagine us back in Somalia with Obama and Biden dictating combat orders and retreat orders.

Nightmare!

159 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:39:27pm

"What they're doing is chauvinism: Two men are getting together in order to screw the meidele (young girl in Yiddish.) This is simply a disgrace," said one Livni associate. "Ehud Barak should not be known as Mr. Security, but rather, as Mr. Horse-Trading."


Barak, Bibi meet; Livni's associates upset

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Oh boy this is getting good. Looks like a cat fight with only one cat?

160 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:39:32pm

re: #152 Nevergiveup

Planning on knee capping ( or as some refer to it as tonya harding ) someone?

Ahhhhh. I hadn't thought of that!

161 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:39:53pm

re: #147 MandyManners

My arm was a tired.

Bless your heart!

162 williwonka  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:40:29pm

re: #47 Perplexed

The blacks make up only around 25% of the total population. I suspect minority voters for nObama might be disappointed when he loses big.

"According to Census 2000 figures released this week, 36.4 million people, or 12.9 percent of the total population, reported as being Black or African American."

Yes there have been changes since 2000 but doubt the percentage has changed.

Your point is still valid and there will be more than disapointment as crys of racism are already being heard.

163 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:40:42pm
Posted at 8:25 PM on 9/19/2008 by Michael Goldfarb
Washington Post Attacks Washington Post

The Washington Post's Michael Dobbs fact checks the ad this campaign released yesterday titled "Advice":
So what evidence does the McCain campaign have for the supposed Obama-Raines connection? It is pretty flimsy, but it is not made up completely out of whole cloth.
Pretty flimsy? As Dobbs goes on to say, that "pretty flimsy" source is his own paper, the Washington Post. The Post reported that Raines had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." It then recycled that information into two more pieces, one of which was an editorial. But we're willing to make a deal. If Dobbs admits his newspaper is not a credible source, we'll take down the ad.

[Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

Posted at 10:30 AM on 9/19/2008 by Michael Goldfarb
No Time for the Facts

Time magazine’s Karen Tumulty accuses this campaign of racism for launching this ad targeting Senator Obama’s ties to Fannie Mae Chairman Franklin Raines. Why? Tumulty writes:
Obama's Fannie Mae connections are completely fair game. But this ad doesn't even mention a far more significant tie--that of Jim Johnson, the former Fannie Mae chairman who had to resign as head of Obama's vice presidential search team after it was revealed he got a sweetheart deal on a mortgage from Countrywide Financial. Instead, it relies on a fleeting and tenuous reference in a Washington Post Style section story to suggest that Obama's principal economic adviser is former Fannie Mae Chairman Frank Raines. Why? One reason might be that Johnson is white; Raines is black.
The only problem with Ms. Tumulty’s story is that we also released an today targeting Senator Obama’s extensive ties to Jim Johnson. The ad is called…Jim Johnson. And Ms. Tumulty might have been aware of its existence if she’d bothered to call this campaign to find out the facts (reporting) before indicting us for racism in a half-baked, late night rant. Tumulty also takes Obama’s response, signed by Mr. Raines, at face value. The Obama campaign says Raines didn’t advise the campaign, and Tumulty apparently wasn’t interested in getting to the bottom of that either. So we contacted Ms. Tumulty and told her of the multiple sources that tie Raines to Obama, including three separate instances in the Washington Post, none of which was ever challenged by Raines or the Obama campaign until yesterday.

Tumulty did not correct her post, she simply responded “I grew up in Texas. I know what this stuff looks like.” Well, now we all know what hysterical liberal bias looks like as well.

[Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

164 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:04pm

re: #148 wahabicorridor

You're not gonna believe this. We have a very good friend, a GOP staffer, who wants Obama to win because - get this - he'll suck so much the Republicans will sweep Congress in the midterms.

I love her to death but I could beat her with a stick.

By midterm elections, 0bama's minions will make sure that we hear nothing but bad about any Republicans; by his second term, there won't be any, and by his third...
/only partially sarc; I think this timescale is short

165 Charles  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:25pm

If you reload the page, the top links area is now pretty much finished being redesigned, to match the other stylistic elements instead of having its own boxy, busy look.

166 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:41:32pm

re: #153 funky chicken

Or yes, the attack of the "concern troll"

They really have gotten out here lately, haven't they?


And who ever says anything like, "I have a good friend who informed me..."

Nobody talks like that.

Rats, reporters, stool pigeons and other low-lifes inform.

167 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:42:07pm

re: #159 Nevergiveup

Ad.

[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

168 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:42:47pm

re: #161 sandspur

Bless your heart!

Nevergivup gave me new idea in No. 152.

169 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:09pm

re: #150 Irene NYC

Walter, your eyes are lovely. Forget about the rest. ;)
/yes, I'm female.

re: #151 DistantThunder

Walter - how did you lose the weight? What was the most useful thing you did?

Irene - I'll accept that, yes. Thanks.

Dt - Number one thing, I stopped drinking over two years ago, completely. I use to drink a six pack of Mickeys and two pints of Southern Comfort a day, after work.

It did not effect my job or anything like that, but it was putting to much stress on my body.

Other than that, I just did the common things, better eating, the gym (well, not during the last six months, the hernia you know) and just more physical stuff in general.

I also put the cigarettes down, cold turkey, three weeks ago. Doctor said it would be better for my blood pressure before going into this surgery.

So, I've spent a lot of time in the last 2-3 years trying to undo all the "youth" that I had done to myself.

Now that I'm getting really healthy, I'm gonna drop dead any day now. I've seen that happen to 3 friends of mine in the last 30 years. Get healthy, die.

170 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:20pm

re: #158 DistantThunder

My son is joining the airforce

Please convey my family's heartfelt thanks for his service. And thank you for yours, too, Mom.

171 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:21pm

re: #167 MandyManners

Ad.

[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

They be my peeps!

172 BBEV  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:43:39pm

re: #158 DistantThunder

My son is joining the air force _ and I could imagine us back in Somalia with Obama and Biden dictating combat orders and retreat orders.

Nightmare!

Ya like don't shoot till you have been shot at and hit.

173 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:44:06pm

My goodness, that front page and the top links sure are popping.

Very nice, Charles.
;)

174 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:44:08pm

re: #165 Charles

It looks great, Charles.

175 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:44:12pm

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an annuerism
and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.

176 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:44:37pm

re: #17 MandyManners

I think it's a load of bullshit.

Well, it's certainly going to keep Bush from being re-elected.

Oh, wait -- that would be the 22nd Amendment that's doing that.

So I guess it really doesn't impact McCain's chances at all -- except maybe to make Sarah Palin look even more attractive to conservative voters.

177 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:45:33pm

re: #148 wahabicorridor

You're not gonna believe this. We have a very good friend, a GOP staffer, who wants Obama to win because - get this - he'll suck so much the Republicans will sweep Congress in the midterms.

I love her to death but I could beat her with a stick.

I'd toss that friendship overboard. We have troops in harms way, and your idiot "friend" is willing to put them all in much greater danger to accomplish what, exactly?

Who is this loser fantasizing is going to ride to the rescue in 2 years? Trent Lott? Thad Cochran? Porky Pig?

Sorry, but my husband is deployed to Kabul right now, and will be after the inauguration. Shallow bitches like your "friend" giggle over how "terrible" Obama will be as his Commander in Chief because they have a personal animus toward John McCain.

but they "support the troops"

my ass

178 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:02pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

You want to know my October surprise. Rays over Soxs in 4 straight!

179 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:11pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

Irene - I'll accept that, yes. Thanks.

Dt - Number one thing, I stopped drinking over two years ago, completely. I use to drink a six pack of Mickeys and two pints of Southern Comfort a day, after work.

It did not effect my job or anything like that, but it was putting to much stress on my body.

Other than that, I just did the common things, better eating, the gym (well, not during the last six months, the hernia you know) and just more physical stuff in general.

I also put the cigarettes down, cold turkey, three weeks ago. Doctor said it would be better for my blood pressure before going into this surgery.

So, I've spent a lot of time in the last 2-3 years trying to undo all the "youth" that I had done to myself.

Now that I'm getting really healthy, I'm gonna drop dead any day now. I've seen that happen to 3 friends of mine in the last 30 years. Get healthy, die.


Whoa! a six of Mickey's and 2 pints of Southern Comfort must have kept you pretty happy. Did you ever catch cold or flu? No way a germ was gonna sneak past that barrier.

180 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:46:45pm

re: #165 Charles

If you reload the page, the top links area is now pretty much finished being redesigned, to match the other stylistic elements instead of having its own boxy, busy look.

I read that as "boxy, busty" at first.

oy, time to step away from the keyboard

181 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:47:21pm

re: #178 Nevergiveup

You want to know my October surprise. Rays over Soxs in 4 straight!

Not gonna happen! It is imprudent at this juncture.

182 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:47:22pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Nevergivup gave me new idea in No. 152.


Steel core?
I reckon I'll just hush up for the rest of the game!

183 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:47:33pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an annuerism
and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.

People will see through it.

184 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:21pm

re: #179 Shay4l

Whoa! a six of Mickey's and 2 pints of Southern Comfort must have kept you pretty happy. Did you ever catch cold or flu? No way a germ was gonna sneak past that barrier.

Funny you mention that. I NEVER had a cold or flu. But since I stopped, I have allergies and all kinds of congestion problems (well, off on on).

I never got sick, really.

185 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:34pm

re: #183 MandyManners

No doubt about that, we agree on that wholeheartedly, Mandy

186 WhiteRasta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:48:55pm

My version of the "October Surprise" would involve castrating Iran's nuke ambitions....

187 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:04pm

re: #183 MandyManners

People will see through it.

The PUMAs have already said they wont go for it. I think to the American people it will reek of desperation.

188 BBEV  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:28pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an aneurysm
and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.

If that happens one has to wonder if Obama would suddenly have one also just before the elections?

189 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:28pm

re: #120 wahabicorridor

Dave Ramsey on his show yesterday said that next week would be the best window of opportunity he has ever seen for truly qualified home buyers to buy a house. With low rates and bargains everywhere.

190 rb4269  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:29pm

Illinois is the New Jersey of the midwest.
Discuss.

191 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:49pm

re: #186 WhiteRasta

My version of the "October Surprise" would involve castrating Iran's nuke ambitions....

Oh, I like your surprise better, even as I close my legs tight!

192 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:53pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Support Corruption- Elect Democrats

What a great youtube link! thanks :)

I do believe that Mac/Palin's bipartisan approach to fighting sweetheart dealmaking and top-level fraud is the GOP's greatest asset this election, and the documented rise of 'new politician' Obama from the stinking slimehole of one of the oldest, most nefarious political machines in the country our best weapon.

IF the McCain campaign is smart enough to deploy this ammo effectively....

193 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:49:59pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an annuerism
and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.

I don't think there is anything that Obama could offer Hillary at this point that would induce her to take the VP slot. It would lock her out of a run for the top job for 8 years -- she couldn't challenge Obama in his re-election bid while serving as his VP -- and at her age, those extra four years from 2012 to 2016 make a big difference. Far better for her politically to let him fall on his sword so that she can tell the Democrat Party, "See? I told you so!"

Bill Clinton is doing his part, saying nice things about Sarah Palin's instinctive campaigning abilities while damning Obama with faint praise.

And even making the offer is totally fraught with danger for Obama: Mr. "I Have the Judgment to Make Up for My Experience" didn't choose Hillary at the convention, but now wants her? Why not then?

194 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:50:15pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

too late

195 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:50:19pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

This scenario has been making the rounds for a while now. Frankly, I think it will be too late and too obvious. And I doubt Hillary would accept.

196 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:50:57pm

re: #177 funky chicken

Welcome to Washington, the land of ruthless partisan ideology. She's young. She'll grow up one day. You are right about one thing tho'. She fucking hates McCain.

And many thanks to your husband and you for your service.

197 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:51:11pm

re: #105 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mandy's in fine form

*duck*

Is she ever in any other kind?

198 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:51:14pm

re: #190 rb4269

Illinois is the New Jersey of the midwest.
Discuss.

The difference is that the toxic waste and organized crime are in the government.

199 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:51:18pm

bbiam, pooches are demanding dinner, after their late nap.

200 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:29pm

re: #195 Irene NYC

This scenario has been making the rounds for a while now. Frankly, I think it will be too late and too obvious. And I doubt Hillary would accept.

You're right. And everytime I read it, there is more an more details piled on. First it was just an annuerism. Then I heard it was going to be this and that, this time or that time and so on.

I don't think it's true, I thinks it's one of those internet myths that have grown over the weeks. I can't find any credible source for any part of this story.

201 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:52:45pm

re: #192 runrabbitrun

I have never been a big McCain fan, but when he said in his acceptance speech the Republicans had lost their way and were not seen as reformers anymore, I agreed. If he can bring the Republicans back to what they were supposed to be doing after we put them in there in the 90s- I'm all for it.

202 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:01pm

re: #188 BBEV

If that happens one has to wonder if Obama would suddenly have one also just before the elections?

LOL! Obama's would probably be fatal!

203 Truck Monkey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:04pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Funny you mention that. I NEVER had a cold or flu. But since I stopped, I have allergies and all kinds of congestion problems (well, off on on).

I never got sick, really.

Could be the smokes. I have been so very successful at quitting that I have done it several times.

204 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:04pm

re: #197 goddessoftheclassroom

Is she ever in any other kind?

Cough cough... er I wouldn't mind getting a gander at Mandy's fine form.... Or yours either dear.... /ducks..........

205 Nevergiveup  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:28pm

Well off to burn up a whole gaggle of chicken on the old barbie. be back later

206 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:30pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for that....I'm helping Mr DT lose weight. He's never smoked or drank due to religious reasons.

207 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:40pm

re: #165 Charles

Now if you could only keep some people from spamming their blogs on every post.

208 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:53:50pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an annuerism
and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.

Oh, I believe it, but I'm not sure it will work for the Dems.

209 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:54:31pm

re: #189 Intrepid

Dave Ramsey on his show yesterday said that next week would be the best window of opportunity he has ever seen for truly qualified home buyers to buy a house. With low rates and bargains everywhere.


Absolutely! I had someone ask me if we were going to pull back or dump some of our investments. I said ARE YOU NUCKING FUTS?

/the buy high, sell low morons

210 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:54:38pm

re: #207 Noam Sayin'

Now if you could only keep some people from spamming their blogs on every post.

Or the "related to Post" when it isn't.

211 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:54:39pm

re: #188 BBEV

If that happens one has to wonder if Obama would suddenly have one also just before the elections?


Well, Obama has still not turned over his medical records (unlike McCain). And there's tons of whispering that his cocaine use has lead to a weakened heart.
;)

212 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:55:30pm

re: #185 CapeCoddah

re: #187 Sharmuta

I don't think BHO's ego would let him admit he'd made a mistake.

213 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:55:41pm

re: #177 funky chicken

I agree -- the world is too dangerous to accept a Clintonesque "triangulating" President held in check by a Republican Congress. (The world was too dangerous in 1990s, too, but it wasn't as obvious.)

And you're right: what Congressional Republican is going to stand up as the new Newt?

Elect McCain, prep Palin with VP experience to take the top job, and deal with retaking Congress separately. (Palin as VP will help with that task enormously.)

214 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:55:43pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

The PUMAs have already said they wont go for it. I think to the American people it will reek of desperation.

HIllary has nothing to gain by accepting. She's better off with him losing and then running against mccain in 4 years.

215 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:56:15pm

This post by AW a couple threads down got 6 downdings, but no responses. I thought I'd repost it & let y'all have at it:


#323 AW 9/20/08 1:47:11 pm reply quote -6

Don’t be shocked if you see the McCain campaign pull the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright out of mothballs in new attacks against one-time parishioner, Barack Obama.

It's pretty pathetic if that's the best they can come up with. Nothing new to offer? Out of ideas? No problem! Just besmirch the character of the guy running against you.

Instead of focusing on the issues the Republicans have only personal attacks to offer, some of them based on outright lies. If you're wondering why Obama is leading in the polls, this is why.

Charles, I've been an LGF fan since 2002, and during this election for the first time I'm feeling like your blog has become just the flip-side of Daily Kos. There's very little here nowadays besides partisan and dishonest Obama bashing. Hopefully after the election this blog will find its way back to being anti-idiotarian, and not just anti-Democrat.

216 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:56:30pm

re: #214 DistantThunder

HIllary has nothing to gain by accepting. She's better off with him losing and then running against mccain in 4 years.

I agree- that's the one thing that makes me think it's not true. The Clintons are many things, but stupid ain't one of them.

217 Josephine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:56:51pm

Hi, folks.

Last night I watched, "Sophie Scholl - The Final Days".

It's a powerful film about a small group of young Germans who published and distributed anti-Nazi leaflets during the war.

Now I'm going to have to buy a book and learn more about her and the other people in the White Rose resistance group.

218 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:02pm

re: #206 DistantThunder

Thanks for that....I'm helping Mr DT lose weight. He's never smoked or drank due to religious reasons.

Well, then the bottom line is there is no magic formula. And take that from someone who has bounced from average to 424 pounds at one time. I've done it all. I've tried it all, and what I have done in the last 2-3 years has been the most successful.

This time was the first time I tried just plain old keep physical, don't put calories in your mouth and maintain, maintian. It's really that simple, hard for a lot of us, but simple.

219 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:09pm

ummm, Vlad.
We need to talk.

Putin: Russia Wants WTO Membership

220 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:49pm

re: #204 doriangrey

Cough cough... er I wouldn't mind getting a gander at Mandy's fine form.... Or yours either dear.... /ducks..........

GLARE!

221 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:57:49pm

re: #215 Tigger2005

This post by AW a couple threads down got 6 downdings, but no responses. I thought I'd repost it & let y'all have at it:


#323 AW 9/20/08 1:47:11 pm reply quote -6

Don’t be shocked if you see the McCain campaign pull the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright out of mothballs in new attacks against one-time parishioner, Barack Obama.

It's pretty pathetic if that's the best they can come up with. Nothing new to offer? Out of ideas? No problem! Just besmirch the character of the guy running against you.

Instead of focusing on the issues the Republicans have only personal attacks to offer, some of them based on outright lies. If you're wondering why Obama is leading in the polls, this is why.

Charles, I've been an LGF fan since 2002, and during this election for the first time I'm feeling like your blog has become just the flip-side of Daily Kos. There's very little here nowadays besides partisan and dishonest Obama bashing. Hopefully after the election this blog will find its way back to being anti-idiotarian, and not just anti-Democrat.

Creep.

222 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:58:00pm

At this point, Hillary won't accept the VP spot. She gets along very well w/McCain and she won't mind one bit being a big deal in the Senate during a McCain presidency where she can make SENATOR Obama's life a living hell.

And she'll do it.

223 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:58:04pm

re: #217 Josephine

That was a terrific movie!

224 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:58:14pm

re: #189 Intrepid

Dave Ramsey on his show yesterday said that next week would be the best window of opportunity he has ever seen for truly qualified home buyers to buy a house. With low rates and bargains everywhere.


Why next week? Too early yet to get great bargains. For that we'll have to wait for a saturated market of "can't affords", like from 2 and 3 home-owning, over-leveraged families, or when all that sub-prime mortgage paper is gone through. No?

225 Josephine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:58:22pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

Get healthy, die.

I should live forever, then.

Good for you for getting healthy.

226 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 2:59:14pm

re: #219 alien_mind

ummm, Vlad.
We need to talk.

Putin: Russia Wants WTO Membership

WTO to Vlad the Invader, we'll call you, dont call us........

227 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:00:48pm

re: #219 alien_mind

ummm, Vlad.
We need to talk.

Putin: Russia Wants WTO Membership

I guess YOUR stock market collapse must REALLY suck, hmm, Vlad?

228 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:00:52pm

re: #212 MandyManners

re: #187 Sharmuta

I don't think BHO's ego would let him admit he'd made a mistake.

Agreed, but he would tout it as a "serious medical condition", deny any other motive, and the press would bill and coo over him. The One would never admit to anything as human as a "Mistake". I agree, wont work, but, the Hildabeast supporters have been a thorn for him for a long time.

229 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:00:53pm

re: #214 DistantThunder

HIllary has nothing to gain by accepting. She's better off with him losing and then running against mccain in 4 years.


Obama has nothing to gain by accepting Hillary and a 3-ring-circus administration either, and the same dynamic for a future shot at the presidency without Hill'n'Bill would be better for any legacy to which Barry might aspire, as well.

230 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:01:04pm

re: #215 Tigger2005

This post by AW a couple threads down got 6 downdings, but no responses. I thought I'd repost it & let y'all have at it:


#323 AW 9/20/08 1:47:11 pm reply quote -6

Don’t be shocked if you see the McCain campaign pull the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright out of mothballs in new attacks against one-time parishioner, Barack Obama.

It's pretty pathetic if that's the best they can come up with. Nothing new to offer? Out of ideas? No problem! Just besmirch the character of the guy running against you.

Instead of focusing on the issues the Republicans have only personal attacks to offer, some of them based on outright lies. If you're wondering why Obama is leading in the polls, this is why.

Charles, I've been an LGF fan since 2002, and during this election for the first time I'm feeling like your blog has become just the flip-side of Daily Kos. There's very little here nowadays besides partisan and dishonest Obama bashing. Hopefully after the election this blog will find its way back to being anti-idiotarian, and not just anti-Democrat.

McCain camp is talking about Wright because obama trolls are about to ripp into Palin for some black pastor who dabbled in witchcraft or blamed witchcraft or something. This is just a shot across the obama bow warning them not to go there.

i think a FAR more devastating issue is the condition of Chicago - High taxes, high crime, high unemployment, high dropout rates, - a real Democrat Nirvana. Let's roll out some commercials on that showing the Obama slums and the failed Obama/Ayers/ Annenberg educational work.

It's like Pottersville in It's a Wonderful Life.

231 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:01:19pm

re: #183 MandyManners

People will see through it.

Not only that, but at all the PUMA sites I've read, every one of them have basically begged Hillary not to get on any ticket with Obama because they believe it will tank her chances in 2012. Their absolute rejection of Obama has turned them toward McCain and Palin in a big way (they're really getting active for the McCain campaign!) and will not vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket.

And the rest of the country - particularly undecideds and independents - will absolutely see right through it and will not go for it.

232 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:01:41pm

re: #226 doriangrey

WTO to Vlad the Invader, we'll call you, dont call us........


Putin's got the oil and gas. What he wants, he'll probably get.

233 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:02:11pm

re: #220 goddessoftheclassroom

GLARE!

Blink blink.....

234 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:02:46pm

re: #227 Tigger2005

I guess YOUR stock market collapse must REALLY suck, hmm, Vlad?

Like when your teenager chews you up and spits you out - then asks for a ride to the mall. Good luck with that.

235 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:02:53pm

re: #230 DistantThunder

McCain camp is talking about Wright because obama trolls are about to ripp into Palin for some black pastor who dabbled in witchcraft or blamed witchcraft or something. This is just a shot across the obama bow warning them not to go there.

i think a FAR more devastating issue is the condition of Chicago - High taxes, high crime, high unemployment, high dropout rates, - a real Democrat Nirvana. Let's roll out some commercials on that showing the Obama slums and the failed Obama/Ayers/ Annenberg educational work.

It's like Pottersville in It's a Wonderful Life.

They've already had ads about that, actually.

236 WhiteRasta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:03:29pm

I imagine Hillary pushing for a Supreme Court seat. She can do much more damage there.

237 WhiteRasta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:02pm

re: #234 DistantThunder

When you have the Euro-weenies by the testicles, their hearts and minds will follow.....

238 Josephine  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:02pm

re: #223 debutaunt

That was a terrific movie!

It was really well-made. The soundtrack grabbed me first. The acting, dialogue, lighting, are all excellent.

The final scene was shocking without being graphic.

239 Truck Monkey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:03pm

re: #236 WhiteRasta

I imagine Hillary pushing for a Supreme Court seat. She can do much more damage there.

She would almost certainly not get confirmed.

240 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:39pm

re: #56 mama winger

Seattle would like Lou Pinella back.

241 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:51pm

re: #228 CapeCoddah

Agreed, but he would tout it as a "serious medical condition", deny any other motive, and the press would bill and coo over him. The One would never admit to anything as human as a "Mistake". I agree, wont work, but, the Hildabeast supporters have been a thorn for him for a long time.

I don't think he could go along with it in the first place 'cause that would be admiting a mistake to himself.

242 WhiteRasta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:05:54pm

re: #239 Truck Monkey

I would not bet you a cold cup of coffee on that.

243 eon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:06:19pm

re: #193 stuiec

I concur. What is missing in this is an accurate assessment of Hillary's mentality.

Put simply, she is both power-mad and cunning. She has no loyalties to anyone except herself, and sees other people simply in terms of their usefulness to her in her quest for self-aggrandizement. With this mindset, she's not about to do something "for the good of the Party" that would in any way adversely impact her own ambitions.

Both she, and the Messiah, are Marxists at heart. But there's a fundamental difference, even there; he's basically a Leninist, and she's primarily a Stalinist with overtones of Trotsky. He's the "organization man" who dreams of being revered as a "secular saint". She's the vozhd (boss) who doesn't care what anyone else thinks about her as long as they do what she tells them- and know what will happen to them if they don't deliver.

Even if offered such a "deal", she wouldn't take it, precisely because it essentially takes her out of the running for the center seat, which is what she has lusted after since she was matriculating at Saul Alinsky's knee. For her, being that close to grabbing the reins of power, but not having them in her hands, would simply be unacceptable.

As for Obama offering it to her, he may be inexperienced, fantasy-prone, and ideological to the point of detachment from reality, but I doubt even he is asinine enough to attempt a repeat of the arrangement that Vladimir Ilyich had with Uncle Joe. Or at least, some of his advisors probably have enough knowledge of history to remember how that turned out.

cheers

eon

244 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:06:48pm

re: #239 Truck Monkey

She would almost certainly not get confirmed.

Oh but the conformation hearing would be a riot to watch........

245 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:06:48pm

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

Well, then the bottom line is there is no magic formula. And take that from someone who has bounced from average to 424 pounds at one time. I've done it all. I've tried it all, and what I have done in the last 2-3 years has been the most successful.

This time was the first time I tried just plain old keep physical, don't put calories in your mouth and maintain, maintian. It's really that simple, hard for a lot of us, but simple.

He's an "easy keeper" takes very little food to keep his weight on - and so we walk and try to stay very active - I know few people who are as active - and eat as healthy a diet - and carry so much weight.

I even eat more junk food than he does - he eats almost zero junk food - and I;m super thin.

His pioneer ancestors crossed the plains to Utah - and so he can do a 10,000 calorie labor output on about 2000 calories. You can see the problem.

246 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:07:12pm

re: #221 MandyManners

He likes Obama because of national security.

re: #336 hazzyday

Look, I'm an Obama supporter. I'm aware of all the talking points that you raise, and I respectfully disagree with you on all of them. I do not think Obama is a Marxist, I agree with his tax plan, I do not think that he is a corrupt politician and I think that he will be better than McCain for America where national security is concerned.

That is why this has to be a negative campaign. There needs to be a shock value to wake up his marginal supporters so that they can really ask themselves if they really agree with Sen. Obama?

The nature of their campaign is for the Republicans to decide. Character assassination alienates people like me, but then again I don't think I represent a large demographic...

I didn't come here to argue about politics or convince anyone of anything. I'm just expressing my sadness at what LGF is becoming. Take it for what it's worth.

247 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:07:13pm

re: #231 Intrepid

Not only that, but at all the PUMA sites I've read, every one of them have basically begged Hillary not to get on any ticket with Obama because they believe it will tank her chances in 2012. Their absolute rejection of Obama has turned them toward McCain and Palin in a big way (they're really getting active for the McCain campaign!) and will not vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket.

And the rest of the country - particularly undecideds and independents - will absolutely see right through it and will not go for it.

Such a move would once again be telling us that they think we're stupid.

248 saltmarsh  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:07:30pm

re: #211 Irene NYC

Obama has a heart!

Not when it comes to babies that survive an abortion.

249 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:07:51pm

re: #236 WhiteRasta

I imagine Hillary pushing for a Supreme Court seat. She can do much more damage there.

She has neither the experience nor the acumen to sit on the bench.

250 BBEV  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:09:28pm

re: #215 Tigger2005

what thread?

251 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:09:48pm

re: #249 MandyManners

She has neither the experience nor the acumen to sit on the bench.

and i would also guess no desire to sit on the court either.

252 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:01pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

BHO would be the death of our national security.

253 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:02pm

re: #245 DistantThunder

Has he had his thyroid function checked? Seriously.

254 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:25pm

re: #246 JacksonTn
You agree with a tax plan that will kill ANY economic growth, smash small business and generally wreak havoc on the private sector?

255 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:27pm

re: #231 Intrepid

Not only that, but at all the PUMA sites I've read, every one of them have basically begged Hillary not to get on any ticket with Obama because they believe it will tank her chances in 2012. Their absolute rejection of Obama has turned them toward McCain and Palin in a big way (they're really getting active for the McCain campaign!) and will not vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket.

And the rest of the country - particularly undecideds and independents - will absolutely see right through it and will not go for it.

The PUMAs are not going to go for it. If the 0bama people have been keeping an eye on them at all, they surely know this move will backfire.

256 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:33pm

re: #228 CapeCoddah

Agreed, but he would tout it as a "serious medical condition", deny any other motive, and the press would bill and coo over him. The One would never admit to anything as human as a "Mistake". I agree, wont work, but, the Hildabeast supporters have been a thorn for him for a long time.

This may shock you, but most Americans actually can and do think independently of what the press tells them to think. The press can call it whatever they want, but the people who Obama needs to win over will see it as total capitulation to the Clintons, abject weakness, and bad judgment. "Let's see: he can't stand up to Sarah Palin or Hillary Clinton, but he wants us to believe he's going to take on Osama Bin Laden, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Ri-i-i-i-ight."

257 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:10:48pm

re: #251 alien_mind

and i would also guess no desire to sit on the court either.

Right. She doesn't have the temperament to share power with eight others.

258 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:11:21pm

re: #224 Irene NYC

Why next week? Too early yet to get great bargains. For that we'll have to wait for a saturated market of "can't affords", like from 2 and 3 home-owning, over-leveraged families, or when all that sub-prime mortgage paper is gone through. No?

Depends on where you are I guess. I didn't hear the rest of his program, so I don't know exactly the point he made afterwards.

There are For Sale signs everywhere around here, and some have been there for a while now. Some speculative builders' houses are just sitting empty, some for four/five months. Big ones, nice ones.

259 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:11:30pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

He likes Obama because of national security.

re: #336 hazzyday

Look, I'm an Obama supporter. I'm aware of all the talking points that you raise, and I respectfully disagree with you on all of them. I do not think Obama is a Marxist, I agree with his tax plan, I do not think that he is a corrupt politician and I think that he will be better than McCain for America where national security is concerned.

That is why this has to be a negative campaign. There needs to be a shock value to wake up his marginal supporters so that they can really ask themselves if they really agree with Sen. Obama?

The nature of their campaign is for the Republicans to decide. Character assassination alienates people like me, but then again I don't think I represent a large demographic...

I didn't come here to argue about politics or convince anyone of anything. I'm just expressing my sadness at what LGF is becoming. Take it for what it's worth.

LGF has not changed - we've always had the same type of discussions. Obama just happens to be an exceptionally flawed candidate with some very DANGEROUS friends. Hence Obama is a very dangerous person who I believe is a COWARD at his core - and cannot make mature adult decisions. He does not place the same value on human life as the average Christian - and he has the Infants Born Alive fiasco to prove it.

260 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:11:48pm

re: #196 wahabicorridor

Welcome to Washington, the land of ruthless partisan ideology. She's young. She'll grow up one day. You are right about one thing tho'. She fucking hates McCain.

And many thanks to your husband and you for your service.

Bullshit. Nobody that cavalier about my husband's life, or the lives of thousands of his colleagues over there is going to grow up, IMHO.

Whatever pathetic bruised feeling she is nurturing toward McCain certainly doesn't excuse her wishing for Obama to win.

261 right_on_target  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:00pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an annuerism
and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.


----------------------
That would be about right. Biden the "straw man", to deflect any criticisms until Hillary gets back in and there won't be much time for the public to react.

262 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:10pm

re: #253 wahabicorridor

Has he had his thyroid function checked? Seriously.

Yes, nothing abnormal.

263 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:12:20pm

re: #241 MandyManners

True enough

264 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:20pm

re: #258 Intrepid

Intrepid, where are you?

265 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:21pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

Where was this?

266 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:45pm

re: #246 JacksonTn


I do not think Obama is a Marxist, I agree with his tax plan, I do not think that he is a corrupt politician and I think that he will be better than McCain for America where national security is concerned.


And I respectfully would point out that if you can make this statement with a straight face, you have some serious issues. The first one being denial. The second one being uninformed. The third one being bad judgment.

267 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:13:48pm

re: #255 Sharmuta

The PUMAs are not going to go for it. If the 0bama people have been keeping an eye on them at all, they surely know this move will backfire.

In fact, Obama couldn't do anything to screw his chances with Hillary supporters more than to offer her the VP slot as (pardon the metaphor) "sloppy seconds." She'd pretend to consider it in order to whip up her PUMA base into a frenzy of outrage, then decline the offer -- and thus ensure that Obama definitely lost all chance of winning back her core supporters.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the Hillary camp was privately telling Obama that he needs to dump Biden for Hillary -- just to set him up for the rejection.

268 williwonka  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:14:42pm

re: #193 stuiec

I don't think there is anything that Obama could offer Hillary at this point that would induce her to take the VP slot. It would lock her out of a run for the top job for 8 years -- she couldn't challenge Obama in his re-election bid while serving as his VP -- and at her age, those extra four years from 2012 to 2016 make a big difference. Far better for her politically to let him fall on his sword so that she can tell the Democrat Party, "See? I told you so!"

Bill Clinton is doing his part, saying nice things about Sarah Palin's instinctive campaigning abilities while damning Obama with faint praise.

And even making the offer is totally fraught with danger for Obama: Mr. "I Have the Judgment to Make Up for My Experience" didn't choose Hillary at the convention, but now wants her? Why not then?

Look I am tired of everyone inflating things. He already has an overblown ego. p Why inflate things further? Why say, "....fall on his sword..."?

Perhaps, "fall on his dirk."

Yeah, that works.

True his fans will say size dosen't matter.

269 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:14:54pm

re: #256 stuiec

Nope, no surprise to me, as I am one of them. The overwhelming number of stupid people, OTOH, bugs the shit out of me.

270 WhiteRasta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:14:55pm

Red meat, fire and beer. Time to do my duty!

Later!

271 Arkay  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:15:10pm

re: #63 Shay4l

Dead honest. Dead serious.

And I'm no Democrat sleeper by a long shot. GOP activist for 20 years; 2 years on Capitol Hill, 3 as a peacekeeper in Bosnia.

I think we're in seriously deep shit myself. Particularly if Congress doesn't pass this thing.

272 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:17:13pm

What the hell ... is the AW? Does it have multiple accounts?


re: #246 JacksonTn

He likes Obama because of national security.

re: #336 hazzyday

Look, I'm an Obama supporter. I'm aware of all the talking points that you raise, and I respectfully disagree with you on all of them. I do not think Obama is a Marxist, I agree with his tax plan, I do not think that he is a corrupt politician and I think that he will be better than McCain for America where national security is concerned.

That is why this has to be a negative campaign. There needs to be a shock value to wake up his marginal supporters so that they can really ask themselves if they really agree with Sen. Obama?

The nature of their campaign is for the Republicans to decide. Character assassination alienates people like me, but then again I don't think I represent a large demographic...

I didn't come here to argue about politics or convince anyone of anything. I'm just expressing my sadness at what LGF is becoming. Take it for what it's worth.

274 nigella  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:17:42pm

JacksonTN, I don't know enough about you to say too much, but LGF hasn't changed as far as I can tell. You must understand most of us think Obama is a dangerous threat to America. I can't speak for everyone here, but I am going to do all I can to see he is not elected. I can understand that you feel Obama is the best choice. I respect you, but I respectfully disagree.

275 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:17:52pm

re: #264 wahabicorridor

Intrepid, where are you?

Here! Here I am! (waves madly)

heh

(mid TN)

276 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:18:08pm

re: #259 DistantThunder

LGF has not changed - we've always had the same type of discussions. Obama just happens to be an exceptionally flawed candidate with some very DANGEROUS friends. Hence Obama is a very dangerous person who I believe is a COWARD at his core - and cannot make mature adult decisions. He does not place the same value on human life as the average Christian - and he has the Infants Born Alive fiasco to prove it.

I just deleted a long response because I didn't want to cross into a discussion on a topic Charles prefers that we avoid. I will simply say that I don't understand how anyone could argue that denying care to a BABY--a separate individual--can ever be legally or morally right because of the prior "intention" of the motherincubator.

277 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:18:14pm

re: #270 WhiteRasta

Red meat, fire and beer. Time to do my duty!

Later!

Good man..... Obviously a PETA (People for the Eating of Tasty Animals) member.... ;)

278 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:18:36pm

re: #274 nigella

JacksonTN, I don't know enough about you to say too much, but LGF hasn't changed as far as I can tell. You must understand most of us think Obama is a dangerous threat to America. I can't speak for everyone here, but I am going to do all I can to see he is not elected. I can understand that you feel Obama is the best choice. I respect you, but I respectfully disagree.

You certainly may speak for me

279 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:18:42pm

re: #275 Intrepid

Here! Here I am! (waves madly)

heh

(mid TN)

they have meds for that, you know !

280 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:18:57pm

Oh for Pete's Sake! They're coming out of the woodwork now on the Wright thread.

281 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:19:22pm

re: #254 pingjockey

You agree with a tax plan that will kill ANY economic growth, smash small business and generally wreak havoc on the private sector?

Go back and read my post. I was posting something that AW said in the Rev. Wright Thread. I don't even like the way Obama combs his hair.

282 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:19:33pm

re: #280 Sharmuta

Oh for Pete's Sake! They're coming out of the woodwork now on the Wright thread.

who ,, the chickens coming home to roost ?

283 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:19:34pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

Please post the link to the post that you are quoting from!

284 hazzyday  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:19:44pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

Well after the election whichever one wins it will all settle down. Obama will bring us a recession via higher taxes and a big war by being weak. IMO though.

285 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:14pm

re: #281 JacksonTn

Go back and read my post. I was posting something that AW said in the Rev. Wright Thread. I don't even like the way Obama combs his hair.

I thought that was it. You about gave several coniption fits!

286 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:19pm

re: #283 MandyManners

Please post the link to the post that you are quoting from!

in other words ,, post the post of the post that was posted

287 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:41pm

re: #276 goddessoftheclassroom

I just deleted a long response because I didn't want to cross into a discussion on a topic Charles prefers that we avoid. I will simply say that I don't understand how anyone could argue that denying care to a BABY--a separate individual--can ever be legally or morally right because of the prior "intention" of the motherincubator.

Just borrow Mandy's clue-by-four....

288 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:20:57pm

I am new here so I am probably not that great at copying and pasting posts. So sorry for that mistake but please make no mistake about it That was not my post. I was pasting something that AW posted in a previous thread.

289 nigella  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:02pm

Sorry Jackson Tn. Misunderstood you!

290 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:09pm

re: #276 goddessoftheclassroom

I just deleted a long response because I didn't want to cross into a discussion on a topic Charles prefers that we avoid. I will simply say that I don't understand how anyone could argue that denying care to a BABY--a separate individual--can ever be legally or morally right because of the prior "intention" of the motherincubator.

It is morally indefensible and even NARAL agreed. Obama is out of touch with humanity.

291 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:10pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

in other words ,, post the post of the post that was posted

You bruised my brain.

292 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:42pm

re: #275 Intrepid

Here! Here I am! (waves madly)

heh

(mid TN)


*smack*

We don't have a lot of foreclosures around here (Northern Virginia) - but we do have one down that street that is selling for about 20% below market. If I wanted to be a landlord/property manager (and had the bucks) - I'd grab it in a heartbeat.

293 Intrepid  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:48pm

re: #279 sattv4u2

they have meds for that, you know !

Yeah, and they have tasty adult beverages for it, too!

Which reminds me - BBIAB!

294 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:21:56pm

re: #276 goddessoftheclassroom

Incubators? Liberal language is an abomination. For a while, waiters and waitresses in some of the lib cities were being referred to as waitrons.

Ugg.

295 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:22:11pm

re: #16 Arkay

Okay, howzaout this for a subject?

I have a well placd GOP friend on Capiol Hill who informed me yesterday that "The election is over. Obama is in." Why? "The trillion dollar bailout and the meltdown. The left will blame Bush and the right will hate the bailout."

That's the short version. Whaddayaall think?

Is said friend a confirmed moonbat anyway?

Trillion dollar bailout has blame enough for all, and Obama so far has only voted "present" on it, that's not the way for him to win anything.

296 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:22:11pm

re: #281 JacksonTn

Go back and read my post. I was posting something that AW said in the Rev. Wright Thread. I don't even like the way Obama combs his hair.

nObama has hair? You must be a racists for even noticing... Besides how could you even see it through his halo?

297 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:22:19pm

re: #266 Irene NYC

And I respectfully would point out that if you can make this statement with a straight face, you have some serious issues. The first one being denial. The second one being uninformed. The third one being bad judgment.

Ah, wait a minute, that is "AW" from a previous thread, not JacksonTN, who said that he doesn't think Obama is a Marxist. I had thought "hazzyday" must be an AW clone, but it appears hazzyday must have been responding to something AW said. Confusing!

298 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:22:26pm

re: #275 Intrepid

Near Murfreesboro?

299 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:22:31pm

re: #288 JacksonTn

I am new here so I am probably not that great at copying and pasting posts. So sorry for that mistake but please make no mistake about it That was not my post. I was pasting something that AW posted in a previous thread.

instead of cutting and pasting the content of the post, click the QUOTE and not only the post but the posters name and post # will appear. Then, under that, you can add your thoughts (thats the way I did this one)

300 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:23:19pm

re: #274 nigella

JacksonTN, I don't know enough about you to say too much, but LGF hasn't changed as far as I can tell. You must understand most of us think Obama is a dangerous threat to America. I can't speak for everyone here, but I am going to do all I can to see he is not elected. I can understand that you feel Obama is the best choice. I respect you, but I respectfully disagree.

It wasn't JacksonTN who made the comment you're objecting to, I believe. I think it was "AW."

301 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:23:29pm

re: #243 eon

I think the fact that he won the nomination shows how naive he and his advisors are. The winning strategy would have been to come in a close second to Hillary, demand and accept the VP slot, and then wait for the results in November: a win would give him 4 to 8 years of VP experience, and a loss would give him the ability to say, "See? I told you so" to the Democrat Party.

Unfortunately for him, he won the nomination. And unfortunately for him, he's just arrogant and vindictive enough to have spent the two months leading up to the convention rubbing it in the Clintons' faces, and to have passed over Hillary for the VP slot. (Not that she'd necessarily have accepted -- but the offer would have neutralized her as an enemy within the party.)

As you correctly set out, the enemies you have to worry about most are the ones nominally on your own side, because they're in a position to convince you to drop your guard -- and then strike without warning.

302 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:23:55pm

new favorite bumber stickers:

"Caribou Barbie"

303 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:24:27pm

Ok, 'zards, time to break out the evening libations. See y'all later.

304 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:24:37pm

"Single and Disease Free"

"Textually Active"

305 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:24:44pm

re: #294 Irene NYC

Incubators? Liberal language is an abomination. For a while, waiters and waitresses in some of the lib cities were being referred to as waitrons.

Ugg.

I refuse to call a woman who chooses a late-term abortion a mother.

306 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:24:52pm

re: #288 JacksonTn

I am new here so I am probably not that great at copying and pasting posts. So sorry for that mistake but please make no mistake about it That was not my post. I was pasting something that AW posted in a previous thread.

Yeah, I posted another of his posts in this thread too. You'll get the hang of it.

307 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:25:22pm

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

I refuse to call a woman who chooses a late-term abortion a mother HUMANE being.

308 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:25:26pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

I just got off the phone with a longtime friend, who is like a second dad to me. He called me to tell me about a conversation he just had with one of his longtime friends, who works with one of the campaigns. I never asked which campaign. Take this with a grain of salt, I am, but, my friend is no bullshitter, is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and so are the friends he keeps. He tells me that Obama will be having an "October Surprise", by which, Joe Biden will be dropping out due to "Health Reasons", an annuerism and the Hildabeast will step in. Knowing my friend, and the caliber of his social circle, all staunch conservatives, I would not be surprised if it were correct, or close. I so hope it is NOT true.

Only if Obama also has a health issue, pulls a hamstring, and Hilda steps up to the front.

Also, of course, depends on the polls at that time. What if Obama/Biden is (heaven forefend) already ahead? What if Obama/Biden is already (please!) ten points and fifty electoral vote behind, would Hilda want to step in that?

309 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:05pm

re: #288 JacksonTn

I am new here so I am probably not that great at copying and pasting posts. So sorry for that mistake but please make no mistake about it That was not my post. I was pasting something that AW posted in a previous thread.

When quoting from another thread, click the number of the post. It will appear as a separate window. Highlight the url in the browser window thingy, then Ctrl.C. The, close that one, go to the comment box in the new thread, then hit Ctrl.V.

310 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:09pm

re: #301 stuiec

I think the fact that he won the nomination shows how naive he and his advisors are. The winning strategy would have been to come in a close second to Hillary, demand and accept the VP slot, and then wait for the results in November: a win would give him 4 to 8 years of VP experience, and a loss would give him the ability to say, "See? I told you so" to the Democrat Party.

Unfortunately for him, he won the nomination. And unfortunately for him, he's just arrogant and vindictive enough to have spent the two months leading up to the convention rubbing it in the Clintons' faces, and to have passed over Hillary for the VP slot. (Not that she'd necessarily have accepted -- but the offer would have neutralized her as an enemy within the party.)

As you correctly set out, the enemies you have to worry about most are the ones nominally on your own side, because they're in a position to convince you to drop your guard -- and then strike without warning.

I think his ego wants the position - but Obama doesn't want the actual responsibility of president. Send him back to Chicago with a years supply of waffles.

311 eon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:30pm

re: #301 stuiec

I agree with you here, as well. In fact, when Obama lost Ohio, I said that he would be best advised to do exactly that. The fact that he didn't told me that he lacked both maturity and judgment.

/not that Hillary is exactly a shining example of either one, herself

cheers

eon

312 DistantThunder  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:37pm

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

I refuse to call a woman who chooses a late-term abortion a mother.

Mommy Sneerist

313 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:40pm

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

.

Er.... Ummmmmm

314 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:26:46pm

This is strictly a drive by post. Please pray for these two guys, my daughter was crazy about Blink 182 when she was 12.

Blink-182's Barker critically injured in plane crash

/bbt

315 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:28:04pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

instead of cutting and pasting the content of the post, click the QUOTE and not only the post but the posters name and post # will appear. Then, under that, you can add your thoughts (thats the way I did this one)

JacksonTN was posting something from a previous thread, so that wouldn't have worked. However, JacksonTN, you can highlight and copy a post from a previous thread (post #, handle, content, and all), past it into a new message on another thread, make sure it's all highlighted, and click the "quote" function, then add your own commentary.

317 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:28:16pm

re: #273 gmsc

Gee, can we now go after the tax-exempt status of every church and synagogue that's had a politician as a guest speaker? What about the unions -- are they fair game too? And the other non-profit charitable groups?

It was a bogus threat -- the IRS would not have done anything against the rally sponsors, and those sponsors should have stood erect and told the groups making the threat to pound sand.

318 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:28:22pm

re: #308 itellu3times

Good Point

319 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:28:51pm

re: #315 Tigger2005

ahhh ,, you kids and this whole interwebby thingy !

320 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:29:05pm

re: #273 gmsc

From CBS 2 HD:

Sources: Intense Pressure Led To Palin UN Snub
CBS 2 HD Has Learned Democrats Threatened To Attack Jewish Groups' Tax Exempt Status Over VP Nominee Invite


THIS IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS THE DONKS HAVE DONE TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY F''' YOU HILLARY AND THE ASS YOUR RODE IN ON.

SHE COULD HAVE SPOKEN AND MADE IT A BI PARTISON ISSUE BUT NO SHE PUT HER PARTY BEFORE THE JEWISH PEOPLE

321 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:31:17pm

re: #310 DistantThunder

I think his ego wants the position - but Obama doesn't want the actual responsibility of president. Send him back to Chicago with a years supply of waffles.

Oh, he wants the responsibility all right. He wants to remake America as a "better" nation. He's a very dangerous politician, all the more so because if he's elected, he's likely to have Pelosi and Reid running Congress. Think he has the judgment, experience or testicles to say no to their pet projects for reinventing America?

322 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:31:27pm

re: #310 DistantThunder

I think his ego wants the position - but Obama doesn't want the actual responsibility of president. Send him back to Chicago with a years supply of waffles.

Control without responsibility or commitment--that's my EH!

323 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:31:45pm

re: #308 itellu3times

Only if Obama also has a health issue, pulls a hamstring, and Hilda steps up to the front.

Also, of course, depends on the polls at that time. What if Obama/Biden is (heaven forefend) already ahead? What if Obama/Biden is already (please!) ten points and fifty electoral vote behind, would Hilda want to step in that?

re: #318 CapeCoddah

Good Point

I don't see it happening (Hillary stepping in for Biden a month before the election) There is no "UPSIDE" for her. She stays out, Obama loses, Hillary is the party favorite for 2012. She acceptes VP, they lose, she's in Edwards country (losing VP on the ticket, next time around not much support) She accepts and they WIN , makes it hard for her to run against him in 2012 in a Dem primary

324 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:32:38pm

charles forgive my shouting and anglosaxon english but the donks pulling out of the iran nuke demo upsets me

iran + nukes = ww3
an attepted second holocoust

325 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:32:50pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

ahhh ,, you kids and this whole interwebby thingy !

Back in MY day, we didn't have this fancy interweb thingy ... we had the Pony Express! And you shoveled horse shit and you waited months to get a letter and you LIKED it!

326 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:33:46pm

re: #320 yochanan

THIS IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS THE DONKS HAVE DONE TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY F''' YOU HILLARY AND THE ASS YOUR RODE IN ON.

SHE COULD HAVE SPOKEN AND MADE IT A BI PARTISON ISSUE BUT NO SHE PUT HER PARTY BEFORE THE JEWISH PEOPLE

What I sent yesterday.

To: 'malcolm@conferenceofpresidents.org'; 'howard.rieger@ujc.org'; 'rubinm@ujafedny.org'; 'millerm@jcrcny.org'; 'sgutow@thejcpa.org'

Sirs and Madam:

As a Masorti Jew (a member of [congregation] in [city], California), I am deeply ashamed that respected Jewish organizations succumbed to partisan pressure and rescinded their invitation to Gov. Sarah Palin to address the rally against Ahmadinejad’s appearance at the United Nations. Why would you allow partisan organizations to dictate policy to you?

Gov. Palin’s appearance at the event would have ensured a far higher profile and far more extensive media coverage of the event, leading to many more American citizens learning about the grave danger Ahmadinejad’s regime poses to the USA as well as our ally Israel. Given the misperception many Americans have that America engaged in the Iraq War only at Israel’s bidding, it’s essential that the American public understand the threat Iran’s regime poses to the USA and American interests, and not regard it simply as a parochial concern of Israel and American Jews. Disinviting Gov. Palin was a major blunder and failure to advance the agenda against Iran.

Best regards,

[stuiec]

327 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:33:56pm

re: #325 Tigger2005

Back in MY day, we didn't have this fancy interweb thingy ... we had the Pony Express! And you shoveled horse shit and you waited months to get a letter and you LIKED it!

LETTER !?!?!?,,, we got a TABLET !

328 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:34:44pm

re: #313 doriangrey

Er.... Ummmmmm

*blushing*

329 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:35:23pm

CUBS WIN !

[Link: chicago.cubs.mlb.com...]


National League Central Champions!

THIS IS THE YEAR !

330 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:35:27pm

re: #327 sattv4u2

LETTER !?!?!?,,, we got a TABLET !

And god forbid they were long winded or you ended up with enough stone to build a room addition to the cave.......

331 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:35:37pm

re: #320 yochanan

Who actually made the threat? How? When?

332 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:35:44pm

re: #320 yochanan

THIS IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS THE DONKS HAVE DONE TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY F''' YOU HILLARY AND THE ASS YOUR RODE IN ON.

SHE COULD HAVE SPOKEN AND MADE IT A BI PARTISON ISSUE BUT NO SHE PUT HER PARTY BEFORE THE JEWISH PEOPLE

Impressive article from the MSM on that incident. They didn't even try to cover for the Dems.

333 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:35:46pm

re: #326 stuiec

i already sent them a e-mail
frankly i don't expect much from the un elected uncle jakes that run the federation supported jewish groups.

334 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:36:26pm

re: #320 yochanan

THIS IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS THE DONKS HAVE DONE TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY F''' YOU HILLARY AND THE ASS YOUR RODE IN ON.

SHE COULD HAVE SPOKEN AND MADE IT A BI PARTISON ISSUE BUT NO SHE PUT HER PARTY BEFORE THE JEWISH PEOPLE

Sorry, yochanan, but this is one of the dumbest things the Jewish community has done to itself.

Sleep with dogs don't be surprised if you wake up with fleas.

335 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:37:00pm

re: #329 mama winger

CUBS WIN !

[Link: chicago.cubs.mlb.com...]


National League Central Champions!

THIS IS THE YEAR !

i hope the cubs make it to the seventh game of the W.S. and that the CHICAGO WHITE SOX BEAT THEM.

336 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:37:02pm

re: #329 mama winger

CUBS WIN !

[Link: chicago.cubs.mlb.com...]


National League Central Champions!

THIS IS THE YEAR !

W00T!

337 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:38:18pm

re: #329 mama winger

CUBS WIN !

[Link: chicago.cubs.mlb.com...]


National League Central Champions!

THIS IS THE YEAR !

CONGRATS MAMA! I know what that feels like, and it is awesome!

338 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:38:52pm

re: #335 yochanan

It's going to be a fun fun fun post season :)

339 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:39:16pm

re: #328 goddessoftheclassroom

*blushing*



Purrrrrr

340 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:39:16pm

re: #309 MandyManners

When quoting from another thread, click the number of the post. It will appear as a separate window. Highlight the url in the browser window thingy, then Ctrl.C. The, close that one, go to the comment box in the new thread, then hit Ctrl.V.

Coming out from under the bed now ......

Thanks I was trying to figure out how to link to another thread but couldn't figure it out.

341 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:39:31pm

re: #337 CapeCoddah

CONGRATS MAMA! I know what that feels like, and it is awesome!

Just once, before I die Lord. Once. That's all I ask.

342 eon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:39:36pm

re: #317 stuiec

Gee, can we now go after the tax-exempt status of every church and synagogue that's had a politician as a guest speaker? What about the unions -- are they fair game too? And the other non-profit charitable groups?

It was a bogus threat -- the IRS would not have done anything against the rally sponsors, and those sponsors should have stood erect and told the groups making the threat to pound sand.

A similar threat was made by the Clinton administration in the 2000 election cycle, against any churches which "engaged in political activity"- that being defined as saying anything in favor of policies the GOP supported, or even criticizing the behavior of, for example, a certain sitting President at the time. The term "separation of church and state" being used as the justification for the "policy".

One unintended consequence of this, for the federal government, was that for the first time in U.S. history, churches declined to allow the U.S. Census Bureau the use of their facilities for testing of prospective census takers. Citing "separation of church and state" as the reason for the refusal.

cheers

eon

343 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:40:12pm

re: #334 Irene NYC

THE UN ELECTED UNCLE JAKES that run the federation sponsered groups are mostly DEMOCRATS to begin with.

there were things i disagreed with a unmentioned radical rabbi but one of the things he got right was the nature of the jewish extablishment in america remember the PRITZKERS (a old mobed up lawyer) and democrat big wig run the chicago jewish federation.

i don't blame the whole jewish comm. for these misleaders

344 sandspur  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:40:19pm

re: #329 mama winger

CUBS WIN !

[Link: chicago.cubs.mlb.com...]


National League Central Champions!

THIS IS THE YEAR !

Cubbies! Cubbies! Cubbies! Cubbies! Cubbies! Cubbies!

345 runrabbitrun  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:41:01pm

re: #331 MandyManners

Who actually made the threat? How? When?

yup - No source = empty claim

346 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:41:16pm

{Wahabbi} Check your email please! :D

347 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:41:31pm

There may be drinking in Wrigleyville tonight.

348 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:41:52pm

re: #340 JacksonTn

Coming out from under the bed now ......

Thanks I was trying to figure out how to link to another thread but couldn't figure it out.

It took me a while to get the hang of things.

349 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:03pm

re: #327 sattv4u2

LETTER !?!?!?,,, we got a TABLET !

Written in CUNIFORM!

350 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:30pm

re: #332 Tigger2005

more than likely it is a pro obama faction of the msm and what to drive a wooden stake into the hildabeasts ♥

351 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:30pm

re: #340 JacksonTn

Coming out from under the bed now ......

Thanks I was trying to figure out how to link to another thread but couldn't figure it out.

That AW is something else. LGF is like Daily Kos because we're all dead set against a Marxist empty suit becoming President? Oh, but Obama's not a Marxist, he says, despite the fact that he's pals with a Marxist and attended a Marxist "church" for 20 years.

And he likes Obama's tax plan. I guess AW is a real "paytriotic" American.

352 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:42:35pm

re: #349 Walter L. Newton

Written in CUNIFORM!

We didn't have Cuniforms. We wore what we wanted to wear!

353 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:43:05pm

re: #345 runrabbitrun

yup - No source = empty claim

I'm beginning to wonder if there was a threat at all.

354 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:43:08pm

re: #341 mama winger

Just once, before I die Lord. Once. That's all I ask.

My mom's family is from Chicago. At my grandparents' 35th anniversary, the WHOLE family had a surprise party for them. As part of the program, my brother and our cousin (aged 9 and 7 at the time) dressed in White Sox and Cubs uniforms and sang "Take Me Out to the Ball Game."

Oh. how I'm pulling for the Cubs!

355 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:43:11pm

re: #345 runrabbitrun
Somebody had a linky on another thread to CBS HD2 , wherever channel 2 is! Of course CRS disease has bit me and I can't remember who, what, when or where, dammit!

356 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:43:31pm

re: #341 mama winger

When the Red Sox won in '04, I got a call from my 87 yo grandmother. The last time the sox won, was the year she was born. Same month. I got a call after the final game ended around midnight, she was whooping and hollering. I had never known her to care much about baseball, and was surprised b the call. She informed me she had been preying for it all her life like all of us, but never mentioned it out loud so as not to jinx. Coulda knocked me over with that proverbial feather. Took her to opening day, '05. She still talks about it.

357 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:43:40pm

re: #352 sattv4u2

We didn't have Cuniforms. We wore what we wanted to wear!

Huh? Do I need another Vicoden?

358 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:44:11pm

no GOATS, no curses JUST VICTORY

GO CHICAGO WHITESOXS

359 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:44:13pm

re: #311 eon

Can you imagine the sheer will it would have taken, though, for a person as nakedly ambitious as Obama to be in the position to win the nomination and to turn away from it? Somewhere along the way, he must have convinced himself that he was, in fact, qualified for and capable of doing the job of President. I hope that loss of perspective will result in a fatal blow to his Presidential aspirations for good -- but I doubt it will.

360 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:44:24pm

re: #341 mama winger

Just once, before I die Lord. Once. That's all I ask.

Thats what my father (80 at the time) said about our beloved Red Sox. I figured he'd live forever! Now that they've won a couple, I worry about him DAILY

361 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:44:33pm

re: #340 JacksonTn
S'alright. At least you tried. I haven't yet. So it was AW who made that asinine statement.

362 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:44:49pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Somebody had a linky on another thread to CBS HD2 , wherever channel 2 is! Of course CRS disease has bit me and I can't remember who, what, when or where, dammit!

Yup, CRS is a terrible thing to suffer from, and I should... er, what was I talking about?

363 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:45:20pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

Huh? Do I need another Vicoden?

Here, try one of my percocets.

364 tripletdad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:45:22pm

Why is there a DNC/Obama add in the sidebar? Refreshing won't make it go away!

365 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:45:30pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

Huh? Do I need another Vicoden?

C UNIFORMS

366 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:45:40pm

re: #362 doriangrey
Errr, ummm, huh? Whassat you said? Heh.

367 CapeCoddah  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:45:42pm

re: #356 CapeCoddah

'Scuse the typos, Preying/praying. Typing in the dark!

368 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:46:11pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Somebody had a linky on another thread to CBS HD2 , wherever channel 2 is! Of course CRS disease has bit me and I can't remember who, what, when or where, dammit!

It's the same one linked above.

369 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:46:29pm

re: #354 goddessoftheclassroom

Look at this story , goddess.

The Cubs surprised a 104 year old man by giving him tickets to today's game, and then letting him throw out the first pitch ! In the article, he talks about seeing Babe Ruth play at Wrigley, and that infamous home run the Babe made....... LONNNNNNGG time Cub fan. God bless him - isn't he cute?

[Link: chicago.cubs.mlb.com...]

370 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:46:55pm

re: #359 stuiec

Can you imagine the sheer will it would have taken, though, for a person as nakedly ambitious as Obama to be in the position to win the nomination and to turn away from it? Somewhere along the way, he must have convinced himself that he was, in fact, qualified for and capable of doing the job of President. I hope that loss of perspective will result in a fatal blow to his Presidential aspirations for good -- but I doubt it will.

People like Obama just keep coming back. Everyone thought Hitler's political career was done for after the Beer Hall Putsch.

371 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:47:16pm

Walter

Glad to see you here and hope you have a full and speedy recovery.

372 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:47:24pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Somebody had a linky on another thread to CBS HD2 , wherever channel 2 is! Of course CRS disease has bit me and I can't remember who, what, when or where, dammit!

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

373 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:47:40pm

re: #343 yochanan

THE UN ELECTED UNCLE JAKES that run the federation sponsered groups are mostly DEMOCRATS to begin with.

there were things i disagreed with a unmentioned radical rabbi but one of the things he got right was the nature of the jewish extablishment in america remember the PRITZKERS (a old mobed up lawyer) and democrat big wig run the chicago jewish federation.

i don't blame the whole jewish comm. for these misleaders

Well, I do blame the majority of the Jewish community for continuing to support a corrupt Democratic party - because they are majority Democrats themselves. I am furious about the rally and even more furious that Jewish community leaders are so gutless that they won't come out and state what a disaster the leftwing-led Democratic party has been for this nation. But hey! I'm not surprised, this is just history repeating itself. As for supporting Israel against Iran - feh! Hillary's and Obama's feelings are more important.

/

374 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:47:42pm

re: #356 CapeCoddah

Sounds like my kinda woman! Woo-HOOOOO !

LOL

375 looking closely  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:47:49pm

re: #175 CapeCoddah

As I brought up in another thread, Biden is concurrently running for re-election in the US Senate.

If he has to drop his VP bid for "health reasons" he'd have to also drop his Senate bid for the same reasons (or at least make himself extremely vulnerable to being overturned in an upset challenge)

Why would he agree to do this? Why, especially, would he do it, when he's a total egomaniac, and has been eye-ing the White House for at least a decade?

I just don't see it happening.

As to Hilary as VP, that's a desperation move anyway. There is still bad blood between the Obama and Clinton camps. I could see Obama TRYING to make that move *if* he were convinced he would lose otherwise, but right now he's ahead (albeit marginally) according to most polls. He probably still thinks he can pull it off, and he well may be right.

So I discount this "Hilary Switch" theory.

376 willowone  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:48:02pm

re: #326 stuiec
Thank you Stuiec, I hope our message gets through.

377 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:48:02pm

re: #370 Tigger2005

People like Obama just keep coming back. Everyone thought Hitler's political career was done for after the Beer Hall Putsch.

Yep, and Obama, like Hitler is in it only for the power. nObama is dangerous to our way of life.

378 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:48:07pm

Ok... out of here in a few, heading for the work. Thank all who have put up with my medical adventure this past week, and go Cubs (what have the Cubs done, I don't keep track of sports).

And Irene, thanks for the compliment, I'm looking at you, green eyes and all.

Walter in Golden, Co.

379 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:48:18pm

re: #369 mama winger

That's a heart warmer

380 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:48:39pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Somebody had a linky on another thread to CBS HD2 , wherever channel 2 is! Of course CRS disease has bit me and I can't remember who, what, when or where, dammit!

CBS HD 2 is the local New York City CBS affiliate (it's braodcast on VHF Channel 2)

381 stuiec  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:02pm

re: #343 yochanan

THE UN ELECTED UNCLE JAKES that run the federation sponsered groups are mostly DEMOCRATS to begin with.

there were things i disagreed with a unmentioned radical rabbi but one of the things he got right was the nature of the jewish extablishment in america remember the PRITZKERS (a old mobed up lawyer) and democrat big wig run the chicago jewish federation.

i don't blame the whole jewish comm. for these misleaders

I am hoping that a number of American Jews who were looking forward to hearing Sarah Palin speak will now see what Stalinists the Jewish Democratic groups are, and be willing to make a break with them. These Democratic groups are, after all, the same folks who now denounce Joe Lieberman as a traitor.

382 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:04pm

re: #379 sngnsgt

That's a heart warmer

Isn't that great? He got out of his wheelchair to throw out the first pitch. I love it.

383 Florida Lady  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:04pm

Who wants to bet that Obama will say now that he's always been a Cubs fan?

/

384 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:18pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

Ok... out of here in a few, heading for the work. Thank all who have put up with my medical adventure this past week, and go Cubs (what have the Cubs done, I don't keep track of sports).

And Irene, thanks for the compliment, I'm looking at you, green eyes and all.

Walter in Golden, Co.

Take it easy and be safe Walter.... No heavy lifting mister.........

385 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:30pm

re: #368 MandyManners
Okay. Didn't go look. No info, or bum info Mandy? Or no specifics?

386 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:49:33pm

re: #375 looking closely

As I brought up in another thread, Biden is concurrently running for re-election in the US Senate.

If he has to drop his VP bid for "health reasons" he'd have to also drop his Senate bid for the same reasons (or at least make himself extremely vulnerable to being overturned in an upset challenge)

Why would he agree to do this? Why, especially, would he do it, when he's a total egomaniac, and has been eye-ing the White House for at least a decade?

I just don't see it happening.

As to Hilary as VP, that's a desperation move anyway. There is still bad blood between the Obama and Clinton camps. I could see Obama TRYING to make that move *if* he were convinced he would lose otherwise, but right now he's ahead (albeit marginally) according to most polls. He probably still thinks he can pull it off, and he well may be right.

So I discount this "Hilary Switch" theory.

I do as well. Ballots need printing and voting computers need reprogramming. Get too close to the election cycle and you won't have the time to do either.

387 mama winger  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:51:24pm

re: #383 Florida Lady

Who wants to bet that Obama will say now that he's always been a Cubs fan?

/

Hahahaha!

388 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:51:24pm

re: #386 Perplexed

I do as well. Ballots need printing and voting computers need reprogramming. Get too close to the election cycle and you won't have the time to do either.

oh c'mon. We all know that DieBold has already rigged the computers to register 2 out of every 3 votes cast for Obama to show as McCain votes !

/damn, I scare myself when I talk total moonbatty

389 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:51:35pm

re: #385 pingjockey

Okay. Didn't go look. No info, or bum info Mandy? Or no specifics?

No specifics.

390 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:51:56pm

Gotta' go feed the bottomless pit. bbl

391 eon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:52:12pm

re: #355 pingjockey

Somebody had a linky on another thread to CBS HD2 , wherever channel 2 is! Of course CRS disease has bit me and I can't remember who, what, when or where, dammit!

Here's the link;

CBSTV HD

cheers

eon

392 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:52:22pm

re: #390 MandyManners

Gotta' go feed the bottomless pit. bbl

The Sarlacc?

393 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:53:00pm

re: #386 Perplexed

I do as well. Ballots need printing and voting computers need reprogramming. Get too close to the election cycle and you won't have the time to do either.

on a serious note ,, see my #323 on this

394 yochanan  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:53:04pm

re: #373 Irene NYC

Well, I do blame the majority of the Jewish community for continuing to support a corrupt Democratic party - because they are majority Democrats themselves. I am furious about the rally and even more furious that Jewish community leaders are so gutless that they won't come out and state what a disaster the leftwing-led Democratic party has been for this nation. But hey! I'm not surprised, this is just history repeating itself. As for supporting Israel against Iran - feh! Hillary's and Obama's feelings are more important.

/

IRAN AND ITS' NUKE PROGRAM IS THE BIGGEST REASON I AM SUPPORTING JOHN MCCAIN.

and then there is the second major al quada attack on american interests this week.

395 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:53:04pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

oh c'mon. We all know that DieBold has already rigged the computers to register 2 out of every 3 votes cast for Obama to show as McCain votes !

/damn, I scare myself when I talk total moonbatty

You think you scare yourself... You ought to see the hair go up in the back of my neck when I joke about what I do for a living.....

396 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:54:24pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

oh c'mon. We all know that DieBold has already rigged the computers to register 2 out of every 3 votes cast for Obama to show as McCain votes !

/damn, I scare myself when I talk total moonbatty

Should be interesting when the riots form outside of DieBold headquarters. I just want a fair election without the crap from either party. Sadly, I suspect that the 'rats will attempt another Kennedy-esqe coup.

397 Irene NYC  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:54:38pm

re: #394 yochanan

IRAN AND ITS' NUKE PROGRAM IS THE BIGGEST REASON I AM SUPPORTING JOHN MCCAIN.

and then there is the second major al quada attack on american interests this week.

Yes, yochanan, but you are in a minority. If the Jewish community came out and said, "We're voting McCain," that would be it. McCain would have NY and FL and the election would be over.

398 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:54:41pm

re: #392 Tigger2005
If hers is anything like my three, Sarlacc is on a diet compared to the black holes my boys call hunger. Sheesh.

399 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:54:45pm

re: #395 doriangrey

You think you scare yourself... You ought to see the hair go up in the back of my neck when I joke about what I do for a living.....

and that is ?

ME,,,,, I'm the guy that lies on the ground at a murder scene so the cops can draw that chalk outline !

(wha ,,, you think they leave the dead body there until the guy with the chalk shows up !?!? GROSSS! )

400 tripletdad  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:55:11pm

I'll be back when the Obama ad in the sidebar goes away - ugh!

401 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:55:28pm

re: #382 mama winger

That's awesome, when I played Little League Baseball, many years ago, I played catcher and caught several ceremonial pitches like that. I can't remember who now but it was fun to trot out to the mound to give the pitcher the ceremonial ball and get your picture taken with him/her.

402 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:55:58pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

and that is ?

ME,,,,, I'm the guy that lies on the ground at a murder scene so the cops can draw that chalk outline !

(wha ,,, you think they leave the dead body there until the guy with the chalk shows up !?!? GROSSS! )

Er.... Think government mind control ray devices.......... I make em.......

403 eon  Sat, Sep 20, 2008 3:56:49pm

re: #359 stuiec