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Palin's Canceled Speech on Ahmadinejad

World | Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:39:27 am PDT

Governor Sarah Palin was scheduled to speak today at a protest against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but was disinvited after political maneuvering by Hillary Clinton and the Obama campaign; the New York Sun has published the speech she would have given: Palin on Ahmadinejad: ‘He Must Be Stopped’.

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:40:16am
2 pbird  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:40:38am

Wowie speech.

3 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:41:49am

She quotes Hillary Clinton! I wonder what Herself thinks of that.

Earlier this year, Senator Clinton said that "Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is in the forefront of that" effort. Senator Clinton argued that part of our response must include stronger sanctions, including the designation of the IRGC as a terrorist organization. John McCain and I could not agree more.

Senator Clinton understands the nature of this threat and what we must do to confront it. This is an issue that should unite all Americans. Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Period. And in a single voice, we must be loud enough for the whole world to hear: Stop Iran!

4 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:42:28am

With Democrats - it's not about what is best for this nation - it's about manipulation for the spot-light and power grabbing.

Democrats are despicable.

5 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:44:11am

This speech was fantastic, I would have loved to see her deliver it. I haven't read anything about this yet, but I assume DinnerJacket has backed off his prior attempt to visit ground zero. Better not try and press his luck, he's crazy not stupid.

6 dhg4  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:44:15am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

Nice and clear. No wonder they didn't want her to give it.

Exactly!

7 snopercod  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:44:30am

Wow!

8 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:44:50am
Tomorrow, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will come to New York — to the heart of what he calls the Great Satan — and speak freely in this, a country whose demise he has called for.

How dare she speak with such authority. Only holy and precious power-grubbing manipulation-Marxist-Democrats are allowed to do that.

9 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:45:53am

re: #4 FrogMarch

With Democrats - it's not about what is best for this nation - it's about manipulation for the spot-light and power grabbing.

Democrats are despicable and hyprocritical.

10 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:45:55am

"Doesn't understand foreign affairs" my ass!

11 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:45:56am

re: #3 doppelganglander

I believe the speech was written when Palin was going to be sharing the platform with Clinton. It's only polite to acknowledge matters of agreement.

Besides, Iran is a serious threat, and the more people who can be brought to agree to that, the better.

12 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:46:56am

re: #8 FrogMarch

How dare she speak with such authority. Only holy and precious power-grubbing manipulation-Marxist-Democrats are allowed to do that.

Boy howdy, do you have that right! That's the press' attitude in a nutshell.

13 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:47:18am

re: #4 FrogMarch

With Democrats - it's not about what is best for this nation - it's about manipulation for the spot-light and power grabbing.

Democrats are despicable.

Self-serving assholes.

People who spend their lives (almost to the point of death) serving the polity are toxic to them. Like sunlight to vampires.

14 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:48:20am

Democrats - the party of a nuclear Iran.

Will 0bama be meeting Ahmadinejad in a dinner where they can both trade anti-Semitic remarks?

Meanwhile, even the IAEA thinks Iran is hiding a nuclear weapons program.

And an expert thinks they're 6-7 months away from having the materials to make a bomb.


Physicist and former UN nuclear inspector David Albright says says Teheran could reach weapons capacity in as little as 6 months through uranium enrichment.
15 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:48:26am

re: #4 FrogMarch

With Democrats - it's not about what is best for this nation - it's about manipulation for the spot-light and power grabbing.

Democrats are despicable.

What's in it ($$$$$$$$) for me.

16 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:48:34am

She drew 60,000 in Florida. 60,000. That is an astonishing number. They can't really silence her, no matter how they try.

And on the other hand the Hollywood elite:
60th Emmys hit all-time ratings low

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

See a trend here?

17 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:49:11am

re: #11 Dianna

I believe the speech was written when Palin was going to be sharing the platform with Clinton. It's only polite to acknowledge matters of agreement.

Besides, Iran is a serious threat, and the more people who can be brought to agree to that, the better.


All we need to do is talk cuz NObama said so.

18 yochanan  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:49:11am

thank you NEW YORK SUN you can be sure none of this will be in the MSM or the nu yawk slimes

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY
what you democrats proved by your actions this week showed that it is all about you and not about iran and israel.

19 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:49:17am

re: #12 Dianna

Boy howdy, do you have that right! That's the press' attitude in a nutshell.

I have to remind myself that the last thing I want is to grant the government the power to regulate the press. Even though this lot deserves it.

20 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:49:34am

Palin is way too nice to Hillary. Hillary will stab her in the back. That's what the Clintons do.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:49:36am

re: #5 turn

This speech was fantastic, I would have loved to see her deliver it. I haven't read anything about this yet, but I assume DinnerJacket has backed off his prior attempt to visit ground zero. Better not try and press his luck, he's crazy not stupid.

I think he should visit while they're pouring concrete. He can be a cornerstone in the new building.

22 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:49:49am

And sadly: JEWS WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE OBAMA.

Shame on them!

23 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:50:05am

re: #17 CommonSense

Obama's a naive fool.

24 yochanan  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:50:32am

re: #20 FrogMarch

the whole thing made hillary look like slime balls they are.

25 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:50:44am

There may be some confusion in the video I posted in the video links. It starts out just like another video of 0bama giving us his 'plans' for the non-defense of our Country.
But, it is juxtaposed with what is happening in the world today that completely contradicts everything 0bama says.
It is long but very powerful when you see just how dangerous his thinking about defending us is in such an uncertain climate. Some students took his little speech and combined it with video of current world events that threaten America.
I have emailed it to my entire list and I do believe everyone should really see this video.
So here it is, so you don't have to visit the links.

26 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:50:55am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

She drew 60,000 in Florida. 60,000. That is an astonishing number. They can't really silence her, no matter how they try.

And on the other hand the Hollywood elite:
60th Emmys hit all-time ratings low

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

See a trend here?


Missed the 60th Enema's any liberal rants?

27 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:52:28am

re: #11 Dianna

I'm sure you're right. I think it's great that she quotes Clinton and notes their points of agreement, just as I thought it was very gracious of her to acknowledge Clinton's achievements in her presidential campaign. I also think it probably infuriates Clinton.

28 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:52:35am

the dems are afraid of strong statements like this.
they are incapable of making them.
typical weak but power hungry fools.

29 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:52:42am

The Democrats are despicable enough, but the UN is worse.

Ahmadinejad should not be allowed to give speeches there. No way they should reward someone who has called for the destruction of at least one other country to be honored. Iran should be suspended or thrown out for such statements, which go against everything the UN is supposed to stand for.

It shows how far they have sunk, and that the best thing is to get rid of the UN and replace it with something like McCain's League of Democracies.

30 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:52:48am

re: #25 newsjunkie_ky

Thank you.

31 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:52:49am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

Nice and clear. No wonder they didn't want her to give it.

I think they wanted her to give it, but buckled to "pressure" (DNC or equivalent). That might have been the right decision, if they really want the rally to focus on Iran and ImaDinnerJacket and not the prez race here in the US.

I'm very glad to understand that that is the actual speech, and not somebody's opinion of what she would have said.

It still needs saying, but I understand (reluctantly) why the decision was made, and can't say (reluctantly) I'd have made a different decision.

32 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:52:55am

re: #20 FrogMarch

Palin is way too nice to Hillary. Hillary will stab her in the back. That's what the Clintons do.

I think Republicans in general are just too nice to those people. There are days I wish we could go to a higher level of nastiness with them.

33 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:53:09am

re: #21 Kosh's Shadow

Nice, very subtle. ha!

34 kynna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:53:31am

As we're seeing more and more the media and democrats are joined together to CHANGE this country to one where they are the only HOPE. In that way they can control everything. They've sold their souls to get it.

Coercion, intimidation, lies, manipulation ... nothing is low enough.

Oh -- great speech BTW. I wish she'd been allowed to make it at the proper place and time. But then, if the dems have there way, Sarah Palin will be blacklisted everywhere.

More rides on the debate with Biden every day, IMO.

35 merrytexas  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:53:36am

re: #20 FrogMarch

Palin is way too nice to Hillary. Hillary will stab her in the back. That's what the Clintons do.

The PUMAs are in play here, and John is a friend of Hillary's. They will continue to court Hillary's supporters.

36 SummerSong  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:53:38am

re: #26 CommonSense

Yes

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

37 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:53:54am

re: #22 WriterMom

And sadly: JEWS WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE OBAMA.

Shame on them!

I am still not convinced of that. How many of those 60,000 in Florida were Jewish?

38 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:54:01am

re: #20 FrogMarch

Palin is way too nice to Hillary. Hillary will stab her in the back. That's what the Clintons do.

Sarah is not being "nice" to Hillary. She is acknowledging Hill's chops and killing her with kindness.

39 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:54:08am

re: #22 WriterMom

And sadly: JEWS WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE OBAMA.

Shame on them!

Only some, not all.
But then, it is said that in the Exodus from Egypt, 4/5 of the Israelites stayed behind.

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:54:21am

Obama/ Dinnerjacket '08! Change! Hope! Nukes!

/sarc

41 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:54:25am

re: #26 CommonSense

Missed the 60th Enema's any liberal rants?

I didn't watch!

42 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:54:40am

re: #15 CommonSense

What's in it ($$$$$$$$) for me.

Bingo.

Democrats are THE most narcissistic, THE most self-absorbed, THE biggest Hypocrites, THE most manipulative, THE most self-aggrandizing, THE least deserving of our respect, and THE biggest greedy a-holes ever.

They steel elections, they steel our money, the media cover for them and now this. This entire nation should all be outraged and disgusted.

43 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:54:44am

re: #37 Nevergiveup

I am still not convinced of that. How many of those 60,000 in Florida were Jewish?

Sixteen, not including "leaners".
///////

44 Alouette  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:08am

JStreet rejoiced that Sarah was silenced. Someone should investigate their money trail. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out that it leads directly to Soros.

45 womball  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:16am

They should have her at a public gathering saying this speech. Give it some play time on FOX.

When are the debates?

46 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:21am

i just heard on paul harvey that gov. palin will be at the u.n. meeting w/ the heads of afghanistan and iraq.
and also henry kissinger.

47 Jaxell  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:24am
48 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:36am

re: #43 jwb7605

Sixteen, not including "leaners".
///////

Hey, this was Florida and old people. Do the math?

49 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:53am

re: #25 newsjunkie_ky

I caught that link you posted earlier this morning and forwarded it onto a few friends. Thanks. Obama has been back asswards on almost all his promises for "change."

50 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:55:58am

re: #27 doppelganglander

I also think it probably infuriates Clinton.

I have wondered exactly how Clinton feels; at one and the same time, she can't help but be flattered that Palin acknowledges her. After the way she was treated by her own party, and people who had long been her supporters, it's some kind of balm to hear a younger woman speak well of her.

51 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:56:05am

re: #35 merrytexas

The PUMAs are in play here, and John is a friend of Hillary's. They will continue to court Hillary's supporters.

And more than a few of them - some that are very high powered - are deserting the dem ship. Lynne de Rothschild is but the tip of the ice berg. Two of Hill's biggest Latino supporters among them.

52 Vergeltung  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:56:18am

re: #18 yochanan

thank you NEW YORK SUN you can be sure none of this will be in the MSM or the nu yawk slimes

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY
what you democrats proved by your actions this week showed that it is all about you and not about iran and israel.

I get the NY Sun delievered at my house everyday. it's the best paper available, IMO. I feel fortunate to be able to get it, frankly.

53 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:57:20am

re: #46 nyc redneck

i just heard on paul harvey that gov. palin will be at the u.n. meeting w/ the heads of afghanistan and iraq.
and also henry kissinger.

And India, Georgia, Ukraine and a couple more.

54 shug  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:07am

She needs to stand in front of the UN and give this speech with a bullhorn

55 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:22am

Hillary ain't about to share a stage with Palin, people might realize the differences.

56 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:34am

re: #42 FrogMarch

Bingo.

Democrats are THE most narcissistic, THE most self-absorbed, THE biggest Hypocrites, THE most manipulative, THE most self-aggrandizing, THE least deserving of our respect, and THE biggest greedy a-holes ever.

They steel elections, they steel our money, the media cover for them and now this. This entire nation should all be outraged and disgusted.

I would also add the effects of Democratic policies which the nation can see plain as day but is ignored, i.e. Detroit and Michigan.

57 shug  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:42am

Gov Palin,

Can you field dress a Mouse wearing a dinner jacket ?

58 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:43am

re: #48 Nevergiveup

Hey, this was Florida and old people. Do the math?

I forgot. Sorry. Make that "over fifty". I was only looking at the MSNBC poll, and forgot to take ABC and PBS into account.
/remembering not to just believe a single source ... ///

59 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:43am

re: #54 shug

She needs to stand in front of the UN and give this speech with a bullhorn

She needs to give this speech INSIDE the UN.

60 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:52am

re: #37 Nevergiveup

In that area of Florida there aren't many Jews. In fact, in that area of Florida there aren't very many people!

I'm going to see McCain & Palin here in Pennsylvania in a few hours. Maybe she'll give (part of) her speech there.

61 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:57am

Amen Sarah.

It is both hilarious and repellent to see the Dems doing everything they can to bury Palin, deny her, demonize her, destroy her. Like vampires shrinking from the dawn, they recognize her American authenticity and are sore afraid.

Palin's VP acceptance speech was a watershed and game changer. I don't know that is the level of Bryan's "Cross of Gold" acceptance speech. Time will tell.

62 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:58:57am
63 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:59:00am

re: #55 Peacekeeper

Hillary ain't about to share a stage with Palin, people might realize the differences.

She's chickenshit.

64 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:59:31am

re: #30 Dianna
You are welcome.
When I watched it, I was blown away. When you hear his words then see and hear the news of world events, it sends a cold chill down your spine (at least it did mine).
0bama is hellbent on destroying this Country for his powertrip.

Sarah Palin is SOOOOOO more qualified to be POTUS than 0bama, and she is only running for VPOTUS.

65 His Favorite Heretic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 8:59:54am

re: #59 Kosh's Shadow

She needs to give this speech INSIDE the UN.

This speech needs to be posted/plastered everywhere on the 'Net. It must go viral. That is true grassroots.

66 Alouette  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:00:01am

re: #59 Kosh's Shadow

She needs to give this speech INSIDE the UN.

She needs to give the speech standing on the rubble of the U.N.

67 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:00:03am

re: #4 FrogMarch

With Democrats - it's not about what is best for this nation - it's about manipulation for the spot-light and power grabbing.

Democrats are despicable.

Oh, and I learned a new term this morning - astroturfing. They hire a major PR firm to smear Palin then float some "amateur" video on the web. Despicable is right.

68 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:00:22am

re: #47 Jaxell

Dems threaten with IRS attack if Palin speaks...

Democrats are street thugs and bullies in fancy clothes. They can't win through debate -- they must silence their critics through thuggery. Cowards.

69 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:00:26am

re: #57 shug

Gov Palin,

Can you field dress a Mouse wearing a dinner jacket ?

Gov Palin's reply to Iran:
"Is that a mouse in your pocket, or are you just afraid to see me?"

70 JamesTKirk  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:00:35am

re: #64 newsjunkie_ky

Sarah Palin is SOOOOOO more qualified to be POTUS than 0bama, and she is only running for VPOTUS.

Unfortunately.

I still don't like McCain, but I like Palin.

71 kynna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:01:11am

re: #63 MandyManners

She's chickenshit.

For some reason (lack of caffeine most likely) I read that as 'she's in a chicken suit'.

Works for me. :D

72 Irene NYC  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:01:21am

re: #18 yochanan

thank you NEW YORK SUN you can be sure none of this will be in the MSM or the nu yawk slimes


The NYSun is set to close its doors on September 30, 2008. They can't find sufficient financing to continue. What a loss.

73 alien_mind  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:01:32am

almost time for Rush, and I'm thinking (and hoping) that he is going to give this Palin smear story a push. I think it is too irresistible for him to pass up and its certainly backed by some decent research.

74 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:01:37am

re: #67 turn

Oh, and I learned a new term this morning - astroturfing. They hire a major PR firm to smear Palin then float some "amateur" video on the web. Despicable is right.

Astroturf is phony and most democrats in power are phony.
yep.

75 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:02:03am

re: #20 FrogMarch

Palin is way too nice to Hillary. Hillary will stab her in the back. That's what the Clintons do.

Among other items
[Link: www.lizmichael.com...]

76 merrytexas  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:02:10am

re: #55 Peacekeeper

Hillary still needs her debt paid off. She must follow orders. I wonder, though, if she would've appeared if it had been John instead of Sarah.

77 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:02:13am
78 His Favorite Heretic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:02:37am

re: #70 JamesTKirk

Unfortunately.

I still don't like McCain, but I like Palin.

But Captain, it is package deal. You might have wanted to sit this one out, but hopefully with Palin on the ticket, pulling that lever on 11/4 won't be so painful?

79 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:02:57am
"... and it is my promise. Thank you."

And thank YOU, ma'am!

80 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:02:57am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

I suspect, BTW, that the IRS threats were less of a problem for the sponsoring organizations than the fear that if they had Palin speak they would undermine their donor base. Jews are overwhelmingly in the bag for the Democrats, and those who are members of the academic middle class are very, very anti-Palin.

Allowing Palin to speak even with a Democrat of equal or near-equal prominence would have been a risk to the donor base; without a comparable Democrat to provide a plausible-deniability antidote ("We just had prominent members of both parties, it's not like we don't hate her as much as you do") was a risk the organizing entities found unacceptable.

Until I read something more specific than what I've read so far, I don't know that I can believe that someone threatened their tax-exempt status.

81 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:06am
"Only by working together, across national, religious, and political differences, can we alter this regime's dangerous behavior. Iran has many vulnerabilities, including a regime weakened by sanctions and a population eager to embrace opportunities with the West. We must increase economic pressure to change Iran's behavior."

Only the credible threat of imminent military action will produce results. Sadly, that was glaringly absent from Palin's speech.

82 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:10am

re: #53 galloping granny

And India, Georgia, Ukraine and a couple more.

i bet everyone will be lining up to meet w/ her.

83 BrianA  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:14am

Makes Hillary's snub look petty and self-serving.

84 shug  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:26am

I love it. She's John Bolton without the Moustache.

Go Sarah Go !

85 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:44am

Coming up on 12:06 Eastern.

Time to hear what Rush has to say about the YouTube shenanigans.

(can't listen here at work, unfortunately)

86 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:45am

re: #38 galloping granny

Sarah is not being "nice" to Hillary. She is acknowledging Hill's chops and killing her with kindness.

That might be, but I personally will never underestimate the manipulative power of the Clintons.

87 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:51am

re: #83 BrianA

Makes Hillary's snub look petty and self-serving.

When does Hilliary do anything that isn't self serving?

88 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:03:53am

re: #60 littleoldlady

In that area of Florida there aren't many Jews. In fact, in that area of Florida there aren't very many people!

I'm going to see McCain & Palin here in Pennsylvania in a few hours. Maybe she'll give (part of) her speech there.

You are so lucky!

89 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:04:00am

re: #47 Jaxell

Dems threaten with IRS attack if Palin speaks...


Oh, and did we point out that dem survival strategy also entails eating their own when necessary?

90 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:04:06am

re: #71 kynna

For some reason (lack of caffeine most likely) I read that as 'she's in a chicken suit'.

Works for me. :D

LOL!

91 merrytexas  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:04:27am

re: #86 FrogMarch

Didn't work so well against Obama, did it?

92 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:05:05am

Major Garret on FOX says a very light small crown for Obama?

93 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:05:09am

re: #73 alien_mind

He's awfully high profile. I suspect that he will approach it more carefully. If there's more today, and harder connections, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about it tomorrow.

94 His Favorite Heretic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:05:16am

re: #81 sparrowlake

Only the credible threat of imminent military action will produce results. Sadly, that was glaringly absent from Palin's speech.

I don't think it is in her purview to make that threat at this time; not as candidate. That would be impolitic. But I have no doubt that most of us know that's what she has in mind.

95 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #50 Dianna

I have wondered exactly how Clinton feels; at one and the same time, she can't help but be flattered out-classed that Palin acknowledges her. After the way she was treated by her own party, and people who had long been her supporters, it's some kind of balm to hear a younger woman speak well of her.

/better?

96 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:05:45am

Rush coming on soon. Will he mention Dr. Rusty's overnight revelations?

97 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:06:33am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Major Garret on FOX says a very light small crown for Obama?

Crowd or crown?

98 rancher  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:06:42am

Well it really shouldn't be politicized so Hillary was right to pull out thereby politicizing it while making it no longer a bipartisan event. To further not politicize the event the geniuses buckled under to political pressure and dis invited the one person who could have really fired up the place. Of course that politicized the event beyond all recognition. FUBAR!

99 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:06:56am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Major Garret on FOX says a very light small crown for Obama?

What? (TV is off - middle of school day.)

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:07:13am
101 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:07:14am

re: #81 sparrowlake

The forum made the difference. I don't believe, btw, that calling for military action in the middle of the campaign is a good idea. She's not setting policy.

Yet.

102 alien_mind  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:07:20am

re: #85 Dar ul Harb
I'm sure there are plenty of us listening, and will give updates.

103 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:07:42am

re: #93 Dianna

He's awfully high profile. I suspect that he will approach it more carefully. If there's more today, and harder connections, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about it tomorrow.

I have mixed feelings about it.
It goes to the heart of his issue on the "Mexican ads" (Spanish language, but the people targeted are Mexican), as well.
I think he might give it a "tease" and wait a day or two before jumping in with both feet.

104 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:07:46am

re: #97 MandyManners

Crowd or crown?

Well both would fit now that I read it. But I meant crowd. We really need mind check in addition to spell check.

105 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:07:58am

re: #84 shug

I love it. She's John Bolton without the Moustache.

Go Sarah Go !

Great line, I'll remember that one!

106 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:08:13am

It's a great speech. I love it. But I'd like to know where the New York Sun got the text from. Anybody know of an official link?

107 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:08:14am

re: #50 Dianna

I have wondered exactly how Clinton feels; at one and the same time, she can't help but be flattered that Palin acknowledges her. After the way she was treated by her own party, and people who had long been her supporters, it's some kind of balm to hear a younger woman speak well of her.

That's entirely possible. When her party treated her so badly that even I felt sorry for her, that's pretty bad.

108 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:08:53am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

I agree with you; for one thing, it is hard to see how such a threat would be put into effect.

However, it reads well enough--"Oh, well, nobody wants to take on the IRS"--to work as a cover for the real reason, which, as I have suggested, is much more probably the organizing groups' fear of alienating their donor base. I am sure that fear was very real, and very much based in reality--and I am equally sure that it is not something that anyone connected with any of the organizing groups would want to discuss even in a whisper.

Until I read names, I'm leaning towards calling "bullshit".

109 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:09:01am

re: #86 FrogMarch

That might be, but I personally will never underestimate the manipulative power of the Clintons.

The Clintons are nothing when compared to the Dark Side represented by the Sith Lords of the Chicago Machine.

110 kynna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:09:07am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Major Garret on FOX says a very light small crown for Obama?

A heavy crown would hurt his ears.

(I know you meant crowd, but crown is too perfect for The One ;D )

111 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:09:20am

re: #95 turn

Not sure.

I dislike Hillary Clinton so much that I have to bend over backwards to play fair at all.

112 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:09:35am
113 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #49 turn
He sure has. That's what scares me to death. As POTUS, he doesn't get a do over on his decisions.

114 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:10:17am

re: #106 nonic

It's a great speech. I love it. But I'd like to know where the New York Sun got the text from. Anybody know of an official link?

It was also published in Ha'aretz today.

115 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, I mentioned the speech to someone who is not a Palin fan, and the response I got was, "Who cares? She didn't write it anyway, so it doesn't mean anything."

Did you inform the they all have speech writers?

116 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:10:31am

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

That person doesn't get it.

And never will.

117 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:10:52am

Rush talking about this subject (thread) right now.

118 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:10:59am
119 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:11:03am

re: #114 galloping granny

It was also published in Ha'aretz today.

I am sure the McCain/Palin camp leaked it. And there is nothing wrong with doing that.

120 turn  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:11:09am

re: #111 Dianna

I like that about you, you always seem to go out of your way to be fair in your comments.

121 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:11:10am

re: #104 Nevergiveup

I have this image of BHO and WAB with crowns in a bedroom scene.

ICK.

122 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:11:11am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

It's actually pretty easy to threaten someone's 501(c)3 status.

File one complaint with the IRS, and you can be suspended. Which changes your tax status, and makes a bad mess of your core donors.

123 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:11:31am

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey

I got ya......

124 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:11:44am

re: #115 CommonSense

Did you inform the they all have speech writers?

Not Obama. He simply directly testifies what the Holy Spirit channels through him. In tongues, no less... how else do you think he was able to speak to all those Germans?

125 yesandno  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:12:08am

Sarah Palin is a woman first.

Too bad Hillary didn't understand that.

126 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:12:19am

re: #122 Dianna

It's actually pretty easy to threaten someone's 501(c)3 status.

File one complaint with the IRS, and you can be suspended. Which changes your tax status, and makes a bad mess of your core donors.

Doesn't the target have the right to know who filed the complaint?

127 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:12:28am
128 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:12:53am

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

I was under the impression that many, many hands made Lightworker.

*groan*

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:12:55am

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, I mentioned the speech to someone who is not a Palin fan, and the response I got was, "Who cares? She didn't write it anyway, so it doesn't mean anything."

As a doctor would with his little rubber mallet, ... one can tell an idiotarian by the way the knee jerks.

130 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:13:11am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Not Obama. He simply directly testifies what the Holy Spirit channels through him his teleprompter. In tongues, no less... how else do you think he was able to speak to all those Germans?

FTFY.

131 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:13:11am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Not Obama. He simply directly testifies what the Holy Spirit channels through him. In tongues, no less... how else do you think he was able to speak to all those Germans?


I though I saw his ears move to collect those signals.

132 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:13:40am

re: #97 MandyManners

Crowd or crown?

Doesn't matter; they're both only styrofoam anyway.

133 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:13:55am

re: #132 victor_yugo

Doesn't matter; they're both only styrofoam anyway.


lol

134 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:14:06am

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey

Man, if McCain wins, this is going to be one of the scariest political seasons ever.

PDS seems to really make some leftists foam at the mouth.

135 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

I was under the impression that many, many hands made Lightworker.

I'll refer that question to my HR director, Sr. Manuel Labor.

In any event, I stand by my observation that any political leader who enthralls hundreds of thousands of Germans can't be all bad.

/

136 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:14:54am

They didn't "leak" Palin's speech, they released it.

Go check the site.

137 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:15:05am

re: #72 Irene NYC

The NYSun is set to close its doors on September 30, 2008. They can't find sufficient financing to continue. What a loss.

I don't understand this. Where does the NY Slimes find the funds to continue?

And why doesn't the Sun just go exclusively to a Web edition?

138 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:15:20am
139 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:15:30am

re: #135 Occasional Reader

I'll refer that question to my HR director, Sr. Manuel Labor.

And the legal counsel, Sr. Muerto "Che" Guevara.

140 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:15:31am

re: #126 MandyManners

It would depend on how the IRS received the complaint - or tip, or whatever.

141 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:15:32am

re: #107 doppelganglander

And it's possible that she's so hard-boiled, partisan, and self-centered that NOTHING penetrates her alleged "feelings." Look what she did over the Jewish anti-Iran rally. At CBS I saw a video of her walking right past their reporter politely asking her for a comment. That phony smile like a mask, saying "Thank you very much, thank you very much." It was CHILLING. Scary.

142 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:16:09am

re: #121 MandyManners

Mind floss! Mind floss!

143 rancher  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:16:11am

re: #99 galloping granny

Sarah packed The Villages in Florida!

144 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:16:47am
145 Crusty  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:16:50am

Palin makes powerful, fact-driven, non-partisan speeches, agreeing with her political opponents, to denounce tyranny.

The Obama camp hires professional hatchet men to post YouTube videos claiming she's responsible for everything from the Great Chicago Fire to diaper rash.

Why are there any undecided voters in this country?

146 Alouette  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:17:04am

re: #121 MandyManners

I have this image of BHO and WAB with crowns in a bedroom scene.

ICK.

It would have to be those little deoderizer crowns, since WAB says Barry is stanky.

147 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:00am

re: #140 Dianna

It would depend on how the IRS received the complaint - or tip, or whatever.

I am surprised anyone fell for that ruse. It would be suicidal for all these organizations to start trying to fool with the others tax free status. When the smoke cleared they would all be up the river with out the proverbial paddle. It was a bluff, but apparently it worked?

148 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:16am

what are the little hearts for

149 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:19am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Is that creepy Burger King there too?

Aren't we all sort of cheering when he gets hit by the car in that current ad?

150 SagamoreGal  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:26am

"I am still not convinced of that. How many of those 60,000 in Florida were Jewish?"

60,000 in "The Villages". I'm betting you could count the number of Jews on one hand. The Villages is in a more rural part of the state. Jews don't do rural. That would be too redneck for them.

151 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:46am

re: #91 merrytexas

Didn't work so well against Obama, did it?

Among the most power-hungry - The Clintons definitely have some tough competition.

152 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:48am

re: #143 rancher

Sarah packed The Villages in Florida!

I know. Compare that 60,000 people to Obama's second biggest venue in the US - the one with the free concert by the Decembrists in Oregon.

153 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:18:54am

this is such a bad deal on many fronts ...

1. the dems scuttled a chance to show the world we are united against SOMETHING. now the world will think if they cry to daddy, he'll give them a better deal than mommy. god-fucking-awful! this is the mentality of divorce and its participants. our chickens coming home to roost indeed ...

2. the world now sees how feckless the dems are. no wonder every freaking enemy of the US wants obama to win. we must NOT allow this to happen without going HARD at those who do.

3. this crap, coupled with Congressional and Senate leaders showing their willingness to hurt the country in order to win an election. We better wake up NOW.

154 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:01am

By the way, Obama voted against designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a terrorist organization. He said he didn't want to give the Bush administration any justification for attacking Iran.

155 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:02am

I just "contacted" the McCain campaign with the following:

The New York Sun published what is alleged to be the text of Gov. Palin's speech to the anti-ahmadinejad rally.

That speech is very effective as published, and if it is the text, I believe it deserves a place on your web site.

I am registered as "unaffiliated", and intend to remain that way.

If they add the speech, I'll be happy.

156 BrianA  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:09am

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Major Garret on FOX says a very light small crown for Obama?

That's not a crown, it's a halo.

/

157 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:42am
158 jemima  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:42am

Remember the Frank Capra movie "Meet John Doe". All the forces of political evil are aligned against him and he buckles, he is going to jump off the building as planned. But the common citizens, the nameless rabble encourages him, makes him understand that evil cannot win in the face of good. Evil may have momentary victories but they are hollow. It had always been thus and it will always be thus. Sarah Palin has nothing to fear from Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or any other thug evil sends forth to do battle with her.

159 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:52am
160 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:57am

re: #68 FrogMarch

Democrats are street thugs and bullies in fancy clothes. They can't win through debate -- they must silence their critics through thuggery. Cowards.

Gives you an idea of what will happen to the 1st amendment if 0 wins.

161 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:19:58am

re: #109 Honorary Yooper

The Clintons are nothing when compared to the Dark Side represented by the Sith Lords of the Chicago Machine.

This machine?

162 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:00am

re: #152 galloping granny

I know. Compare that 60,000 people to Obama's second biggest venue in the US - the one with the free concert by the Decembrists in Oregon.


The difference is she's drawing in the independents.

163 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:09am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

She drew 60,000 in Florida. 60,000. That is an astonishing number. They can't really silence her, no matter how they try.

And on the other hand the Hollywood elite:
60th Emmys hit all-time ratings low

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

See a trend here?

I didn't watch any of the Emmys (who cares?), but during the Dallas-Green Bay game, Al Michaels mentioned that Don Rickles won his first Emmy, and that he'd run into Rickles recently, who told Al that he was nervous about whether he'd win the award. Congrats, Don!

164 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #119 Nevergiveup

I am sure the McCain/Palin camp leaked it. And there is nothing wrong with doing that.

There's nothing wrong with doing that. I'd just like to know that it's ACTUALLY the speech she would have given -- not just a supporter's hopeful fantasy.

You know...... there's a hell of a lot of lying, fake, and phony going on out there. Suppose a liberal rag published a really crap speech, wouldn't you want to know whether or not it was really hers?

165 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:19am

re: #101 Dianna

The forum made the difference. I don't believe, btw, that calling for military action in the middle of the campaign is a good idea. She's not setting policy.
Yet.

Yes, you are right, and it's not her call in any case. That being the case, the speech would have been politically clever but tactically counterproductive so I'm glad it was not delivered.
Still, it appears for now that U.S.- Iran policy does not include a credible military option, and Israel will likely have to act alone or not at all. Hopefully that will change after the election.

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:21am

re: #148 Eowyn2

what are the little hearts for

click the heart to add the related item to your LGF Favorites list

167 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #150 SagamoreGal

"I am still not convinced of that. How many of those 60,000 in Florida were Jewish?"

60,000 in "The Villages". I'm betting you could count the number of Jews on one hand. The Villages is in a more rural part of the state. Jews don't do rural. That would be too redneck for them.

I'm getting a geography lesson in Florida here. OK I'll bow to a greater expert on the citrus state than I am. But 60,000 still sounds impressive.

168 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:47am

re: #141 nonic

There's really no way to know, is there? BTW, nice to "see" you. I was just thinking the other day I hadn't seen you posting in a while.

169 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:20:49am
170 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:03am

50% of the comments on that post are anti-Palin.

171 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:29am

re: #145 Crusty

Palin makes powerful, fact-driven, non-partisan speeches, agreeing with her political opponents, to denounce tyranny.

The Obama camp hires professional hatchet men to post YouTube videos claiming she's responsible for everything from the Great Chicago Fire to diaper rash.

Why are there any undecided voters in this country?

They're off in their own little pre-9/11 worlds, imagining the U.S. is still the way it was between, say, 1976 and 1992, and Obama is just another pro-labor Democrat. They probably have no clue whatsoever about his associations or his real ideology, or if they have heard anything, they think it's just the Republican smear machine at work.

172 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:34am

re: #152 galloping granny

I know. Compare that 60,000 people to Obama's second biggest venue in the US - the one with the free concert by the Decembrists in Oregon.

Obama only managed more during the convention at Invesco. Never so many at a regular rally.

173 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:36am

The Villages called. They don't miss their idiot.

174 JamesTKirk  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:38am

re: #148 Eowyn2

what are the little hearts for

Trump.

Yesterday, it was clubs.

175 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:48am

re: #170 EIDE_Interface

50% of the comments on that post are anti-Palin.

?
What post?

176 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:48am

....and she's just the VP.

177 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:21:48am

re: #158 jemima

Remember the Frank Capra movie "Meet John Doe". All the forces of political evil are aligned against him and he buckles, he is going to jump off the building as planned. But the common citizens, the nameless rabble encourages him, makes him understand that evil cannot win in the face of good. Evil may have momentary victories but they are hollow. It had always been thus and it will always be thus. Sarah Palin has nothing to fear from Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or any other thug evil sends forth to do battle with her.

Gary Cooper and Barbara Stanwyk were both great in that movie.

178 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:22:15am

re: #175 jwb7605

?
What post?

The NY Sun story.

179 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:22:35am

re: #162 CommonSense

The difference is she's drawing in the independents.

The difference is that Obama had to put on a free concert with a Marxist revolutionary band as headliners to draw the crowd.

180 Irene NYC  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:23:16am

re: #137 Tigger2005

I don't understand this. Where does the NY Slimes find the funds to continue?

And why doesn't the Sun just go exclusively to a Web edition?

The NYTimes is currently eating itself to continue operations - which is why their stock is tanking, but they still have many assets at their disposal to eat through.

The NYSun tried to turn around its website but you still need major funding to pay writers, etc. even if you don't put out a print edition.

181 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:23:27am

re: #164 nonic

There's nothing wrong with doing that. I'd just like to know that it's ACTUALLY the speech she would have given -- not just a supporter's hopeful fantasy.

You know...... there's a hell of a lot of lying, fake, and phony going on out there. Suppose a liberal rag published a really crap speech, wouldn't you want to know whether or not it was really hers?

I have no inside information, but no one seems to be denying it.

182 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:23:27am

re: #156 BrianA

That's not a crown, it's a halo.

/

Or these

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

183 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:23:41am

re: #147 Nevergiveup

I am surprised anyone fell for that ruse. It would be suicidal for all these organizations to start trying to fool with the others tax free status. When the smoke cleared they would all be up the river with out the proverbial paddle. It was a bluff, but apparently it worked?

I don't know if you're aware of how the "tax exempt" bit works. One pays 2% excise tax on - what amounts to - one's capital. If you are under investigation, you're going to need to place "normal" taxes in an escrow account.

When you're trying to pay out 5% of the market value of your endowment, that can get very, very difficult.

Especially since so many core donors need to claim the charitable deduction, that gets very difficult.

It doesn't take long to really cut into a charity.

If it was a bluff, it's one no charity can ignore, or risk.

184 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:23:59am

re: #94 His Favorite Heretic

I don't think it is in her purview to make that threat at this time; not as candidate. That would be impolitic. But I have no doubt that most of us know that's what she has in mind.

I wish I knew that.

185 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:24:29am

re: #161 FrogMarch

This machine?

Yes, That Machine.

The Dark Side is strong on the 5th floor of City Hall.

186 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:25:14am

re: #134 Dianna

Man, if McCain wins, this is going to be one of the scariest political seasons ever.

:-) I was sure that Hillary wanted Obama to lose. That way she could say in 2012, "see?, you guys f*cked up last time, now get it right and make ME your candidate."

And I still think she'd like that.

But Palin changes things. Because one way or the other, Hillary is going to be running against Palin for President in 2012.

Unless, that is, the ol' Hill 'n Bill team can destroy her in the meantime.

187 yesandno  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:25:19am

If you are annoyed by the bailouts....

it is nothing compared to Mark Levin.

Listen to about the first 10 minutes of his Friday program:

[Link: marklevinshow.com...]

188 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:25:31am

I never had any doubts about Sarah Palin's abilities to become VP of this country, and this speech more than reaffirms my commitment to make sure she achieves that result.

189 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:25:31am

re: #157 ploome hineni

More or less!

I'm at work, and I'm filing between comments.

190 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:26:05am

re: #136 Dianna

They didn't "leak" Palin's speech, they released it.

Go check the site.

What site? I was at the McCain-Palin site, didn't see it.

191 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:26:20am
192 Nevergiveup  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:26:27am

re: #183 Dianna

But that is what I meant. If they were successful, there would be retaliation and no one would be able do "Business" with their core donors. It is kinda like "MAD"--Mutual Assured Destruction.

193 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:28:13am

re: #170 EIDE_Interface

50% of the comments on that post are anti-Palin.

And we are surprised by this?

And we care?

194 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:28:38am

re: #165 sparrowlake

Yes, you are right, and it's not her call in any case. That being the case, the speech would have been politically clever but tactically counterproductive so I'm glad it was not delivered.
Still, it appears for now that U.S.- Iran policy does not include a credible military option, and Israel will likely have to act alone or not at all. Hopefully that will change after the election.

There are still rumors (or maybe new ones) of the Bush administration attacking Iran after the election, depending on who wins.
But they are only rumors.

195 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:28:58am
196 SpartanWoman  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:29:54am

re: #89 turn

Oh, and did we point out that dem survival strategy also entails eating their own when necessary?

I'd be willing to bet that many of these venerable organizations are firmly behind the Fairness Doctrine and the decimation of talk radio. Dems to the core. When the shoe goes on the other foot they cry "McCarthyism"?

I've had it with these phony organizations. I wonder how much they contribute to Dem candidates?

I stayed home today and sent back a few empty envelopes to the orgs run by these people.

197 Dianna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:30:55am

re: #190 nonic

I thought I'd seen it there?

198 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:31:00am

re: #173 MandyManners

The Villages called. They don't miss their idiot.

LOL - I never tire of that.

199 wiffersnapper  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:32:12am

The dems got real scared once they heard Palin was coming, because she actually has ideas on how to defeat Ahmanutjob, rather than the business as usual "diplomacy" the dems are famed for doing.

200 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:32:34am

re: #168 doppelganglander
Thanks. I'm here pretty much every day, but in lurking mode. Nice to "see" you, too. :-)

201 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:36:32am

re: #197 Dianna

I thought I'd seen it there?

Yeah? Maybe I missed it. I'll go back and look some more. Thanks. :-)

202 arethusa  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:37:23am

re: #186 nonic

:-) I was sure that Hillary wanted Obama to lose. That way she could say in 2012, "see?, you guys f*cked up last time, now get it right and make ME your candidate."

And I still think she'd like that.

But Palin changes things. Because one way or the other, Hillary is going to be running against Palin for President in 2012.

Unless, that is, the ol' Hill 'n Bill team can destroy her in the meantime.

I still think Hillary wants Obama to lose. Bill is going around praising Palin and not Obama. The Clintons in fact have been by far the nicest people on the left to Palin: Bill praises her, Hillary refuses to attack her.

They possibly have a better sense than the left in general of how most sane people are outraged by the virulent reaction to Palin and wisely refuse to pile on. Those could be Hillary's female or independent voters in 2012.

203 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:38:37am

I should be over at the UN today taking photos but instead I'm sitting at my desk eating lunch. Oh well. I'll be covering the Women Unite protest outside dinnerjacket's hotel room Thursday after work. Hope Sarah Palin shows up, she was invited.

204 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:40:29am

re: #203 NoSubmission

I should be over at the UN today taking photos but instead I'm sitting at my desk eating lunch. Oh well. I'll be covering the Women Unite protest outside dinnerjacket's hotel room Thursday after work. Hope Sarah Palin shows up, she was invited.

Quick, someone convince Ahmadinejad that esteemed visitors to NY wear moose antlers, and give Sarah a rifle.

205 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:41:57am
206 NoSubmission  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:42:03am

re: #203 NoSubmissionpimf
meant to say: Women United!

207 RoyalCanadian  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:46:14am

I am day dreaming here. I most certainly to not want to see a nuclear holocaust anywhere, anytime. That said. If an American WOMAN could slap down a maniacal midget muslim misogynist it would sent a very powerful message.

208 filetandrelease  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:48:39am

IMHO, this is touchy…. But wasn’t this a Jewish group or groups that disinvited Palin? I assume this group wants the U.S. to support Israel unconditionally? Let me say that these Jewish groups that disinvited Palin are not doing the cause of unconditional support for Israel any good. They are poking the eye of the people that offer far more actual support to Israel than any other group of people in the U.S., conservatives. Frankly, it pisses me off.
My apologies to my Jewish friends and acquaintances here, but this insults me.
I greatly respect the Oasis in the desert, but wish some of these NE groups would be more....... well rounded in their political spectrum?
Later, I am going to tell you how I really feel.

209 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:49:40am

re: #166 pre-Boomer Marine brat
thanks

210 RickZ  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:50:11am
Governor Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, was scheduled to speak today at a rally in Dag Hammarskjold Plaza to protest the appearance here of President Ahmadinejad of Iran. Her appearance was canceled by rally organizers who sought a nonpolitical event.

I went to one of these anti-Achmedinejad protests at the UN (in 2004, before going to see Christopher Hitchens destroy George Galloway in a 'debate'). These things are political from the get-go. For the organizers to say that they disinvited Palin to keep the rally from being political is absurd. And a lie.

211 SpartanWoman  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:52:22am

re: #208 filetandrelease

It pisses me off too! How dare these organizations presume to speak for me.

The tactic the dems used was horrific indeed, threaten the orgs during their biggest giving season, the High Holidays, but someday principle should come before quivering in front of the dems and the irs

212 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:53:18am

re: #202 arethusa

I agree with you. I think Hillary is VERY WARY of Palin. She knows she will have to run against her in 2012, and depend on the women vote, so she has to be utmost careful of every step NOW.

213 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:57:31am

Nice speech.
Obama must be stopped too.

214 tokyobk  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 9:58:43am

re: #212 nonic

I agree with you. I think Hillary is VERY WARY of Palin. She knows she will have to run against her in 2012, and depend on the women vote, so she has to be utmost careful of every step NOW.

No second McCain administration?

215 ronaldusmagnus  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:01:24am

One word: Churchillian.

216 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:04:32am

re: #215 ronaldusmagnus

Reaganesque.

217 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:06:06am

re: #53 galloping granny

And India, Georgia, Ukraine and a couple more.

Don't forget Bono.

218 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:06:31am

re: #195 buzzsawmonkey

The ends justify the means.

219 rancher  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:06:56am

At first I wondered why she mentioned Hillary. Then it hit me, she should mention Hillary everywhere she goes. Hillary really did Obama a big favor by pulling out. All those Hillary backers would be there, hearing Palin talk the same talk as their girl. He also owes her because this made her look really petty and afraid.

220 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:13:44am

re: #66 Alouette

upding!

221 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:13:46am

re: #214 tokyobk

No second McCain administration?

He'd be 78 at the end of his first administration, and 84 at the end of a second. It's possible he could run again, of course, but I don't think so.

222 nonic  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:14:16am

Sorry, I meant 82.

223 Jimash  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:44:35am

re: #173 MandyManners

After that one I watched this one :

Lugubrious Biden

It's like any second he's gonna call him "Osama".

224 Dasher  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:48:40am

re: #221 nonic

He'd be 78 at the end of his first administration, and 8[2] at the end of a second. It's possible he could run again, of course, but I don't think so.

If McCain were to announce he would not run for a second term would mean he would be a lame duck president from day one. Not a scenario I would relish. If he somehow decided not to serve a second term the only good way to do it would be not make such an announcement until the convention in 2012, or wait until the day after inauguration in 2013, and announce his "retirement", effective immediately. To up front announce a one term pledge would be asking for nothing but major trouble from the other side.

The other factor is people are living longer and longer, and 82 is not exceptionally old these days. My mom for example is nearly 94 and her mind is as sharp as a tack.

225 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 11:14:05am

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

I want to apologize for the way I expressed myself in the other post. the use of my hyphenated word in that post showed poor judgment. I stand by the spirit of the post, but I apologize for my clumsiness and lack of sensitivity.

226 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 11:27:26am

re: #221 nonic

He'd be 78 at the end of his first administration, and 84 at the end of a second. It's possible he could run again, of course, but I don't think so.

McCain is 72,after 8 years he would be 80-81.
The term for president is 4 yrs not 6.

227 bunuel  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 11:28:48am

For some time I often stop by a painting of Jeanne d'Arc in the Met. and stay there a while, fascinated. One day recently something happened: I "saw" - Sarah!.

228 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 12:11:15pm

re: #122 Dianna

It's actually pretty easy to threaten someone's 501(c)3 status.

File one complaint with the IRS, and you can be suspended. Which changes your tax status, and makes a bad mess of your core donors.

Dianna, that's just not true. Believe me, I've tried. And for real violations of the tax-exempt regulations, not phoney stuff like this.

229 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 12:15:51pm

re: #183 Dianna

I don't know if you're aware of how the "tax exempt" bit works. One pays 2% excise tax on - what amounts to - one's capital. If you are under investigation, you're going to need to place "normal" taxes in an escrow account.

When you're trying to pay out 5% of the market value of your endowment, that can get very, very difficult.

Especially since so many core donors need to claim the charitable deduction, that gets very difficult.

It doesn't take long to really cut into a charity.

If it was a bluff, it's one no charity can ignore, or risk.

Dianna, the rules you're citing here are for private foundations, not 501(c)(3) orgs. Charities don't pay excise taxes on capital or anything else.

230 Lynn B.  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 12:16:37pm

re: #229 Lynn B.

PIMF... Public charities don't pay excise taxes on capital or anything else.

231 Ben F  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 12:54:53pm

Not a bad speech, but the way she ended it pretty much confirms that it would have been just another campaign appearance.

232 mjwsatx  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 12:55:54pm

I had a 2 day debate over the dis-invitation of Palin with a leftie named Stefanie at the JTA (Jewish Telegraphic Agency) blog site. In exasperation I asked her who she fears more Sarah Palin or Mahmoud Ahmadinijad. Her answer below, is no surprise.

I have learned very clearly how a monster like Adolf Hitler could have come to power while some of those he vowed to kill stood beside him.

Mike ///////\///////


Here is Stefanie's answer:

As for cataloging my fears, at this moment Sarah Palin is indeed first on my list. She is in line for the most powerful job in the world, a heartbeat away from the Presidency under a man whose health is quite frail. I have already listed her retrograde views on all the issues important not just to Jews, but to all Americans except for an extremely small far-right population. I don’t think it’s fair for such a small minority to hijack the conversation with distractions. The moment we begin to discuss real issues and not just star power (or lipstick on pigs), people will realize she’s far out of step with the majority of Americans. I cannot live in a county where I would be refused the right to an abortion had I been raped, and I don’t want that world to exist for my daughter. There is little that I can think of that’s scarier than going back to back-alley abortions and women’s bodies being legislated by the state.

As for Ahmadinejad, I see him a rather weak troll, a man controlled by the mullahs in his country. He is desperate for power, but lacking in it, and the Iranian people would like to fire him. They want freedom and peace and reform. If we drop bombs on them they’ll immediately flock to support him, however. That’s what happens when we start wars. Iran wants power — the nuclear issue is about having a voice amongst Arab nations in the ME — it’s really a Sunni/Shiah issue and not truly about Israel or Jews! That’s red meat for his people, because of the Palestinian issue. It’s obviously extremely, extremely complicated, a geo-political chess game. And lest we forget that Israel is a nuclear power, one that far surpasses Iran in weaponry of every sort. Do you think the Iranians are dumb enough to start a war that would surely end in the destruction of their entire country and the deaths of all of their citizens? They have no interest in national suicide — they want the opposite — they want power and popularity and a place on the world stage. Bush has given him that, and Mccain will only give him more. Obama will skillfully, like Clinton, put him in his place while simultaneously repairing the damaged reputation of the US in the world. So that we actually have allies again - something we’ve lost under Bush. And Ahmadinejad eats up these rallies we hold against him — he lives for them! He laughs at us when we get so out of control when he’s coming to town, because it just gets him press. If we ignored him and continued to put economic pressure on Iran, always keeping the military option on the table, of course, he’d eventually cave. Don’t you think we have CIA and Mossad already in country? Of course we do. And we have been on the ground breaking down the regime for years. Yes, these things take time. But we’ve created many a coup (remember when we did it with the Shah?) and we could certainly do it again.

That’s my two cents.

Stefanie

233 mjwsatx  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 12:58:51pm

Here is the link to the JTA blog that I cited above.

You might want to leave Stefanie a message.

[Link: blogs.jta.org...]

Mike

234 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 1:28:33pm

re: #204 Kosh's Shadow

Bet she could handle a T-Rex.

235 LANMaster  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 1:28:46pm

Sarah should show up outside the UN and deliver her speech on the lawn!

236 LANMaster  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 1:30:48pm

re: #198 FrogMarch

LOL - I never tire of that.


I posted that elsewhere and was ridiculed that I had no proof that it was really Biden.

Have we any proof? Personally I think it is, but I need some proof.


thx

237 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 1:33:45pm

re: #227 bunuel

Ummmm-Joan did get burned at the stake, betrayed by those who feared her.

238 So?  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 1:50:07pm

I wonder if Palin or some surrogate delegate could deliver this speech at the UN while The Dinner Jacket is in the audience.

239 right_in_canada  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 4:00:26pm

re: #20 FrogMarch

Palin is way too nice to Hillary. Hillary will stab her in the back. That's what the Clintons do.

Klassy Hillary Komrade Klinton :-)

240 SagamoreGal  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 4:30:23pm

Had you given this speech, Sarah, the Jews would still detest you. You didn't attend an Ivy League university or Stanford or UC-Berkeley. You don't deserve to breathe the same air.

Oh wait, GWB did an Ivy League school, and they still hated/hate him. I guess it's just a small-town Republican thing.

241 big L  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 4:32:08pm

I wonder if Obama will sudenly develop or find some health problem and have to quit. "Now what i said before...and I have always said...." and then Hillary is substituted in as emergency. Kind of like Torricelli-out and Lautenberg-in...

242 SagamoreGal[deleted]  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 4:33:29pm
243 William  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 5:04:13pm

Not a word on cnn.com -- in fact a search for the following terms yields zero documents: Palin Ahmadinejad Speech

[Link: search.cnn.com...]

The same search on google.com yields 581,000 documents.

However, the front page of cnn.com does prominently feature this story: "Palin's town charged women for rape exams."

Surprised?

244 Josephine  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 5:27:02pm

She gets it. She really, really gets it.

Please, America, vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin!

245 Josephine  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 5:35:24pm

re: #240 SagamoreGal

Had you given this speech, Sarah, the Jews would still detest you. You didn't attend an Ivy League university or Stanford or UC-Berkeley. You don't deserve to breathe the same air.

Oh wait, GWB did an Ivy League school, and they still hated/hate him. I guess it's just a small-town Republican thing.

Did you mean to type "the Jews", as in all Jews?

Did you mean too suggest that all Jews have the attitude you express in your first paragraph?

246 RayaMehemna  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 7:28:31pm

Check out this Rabbi!

Your text to link...

247 MakeMyDay  Mon, Sep 22, 2008 10:41:51pm

re: #240 SagamoreGal

How do YOU feel about Iran having nuclear weapons? Which party do you belong to?


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