Rusty says he backed it all up.

The net remembers everything. Nothing escapes.

Go Rusty!

Is Rush talking about this yet?

This is why I always tell people to screenshot anything they see that seems crazy.

Ethan Weinner is more like it.

You backups are belong to us!

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this before, but I'm beginning to suspect the Democratic Party is nothing but pack of liars. Hmmm...

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

Go Rusty!

Is Rush talking about this yet?

not yet ....

My first thought on this whole thing was, what kind of idiot puts his real name on the You Tube account? eswinner is kind of a loser.

Anyone send fan mail to Winner & Associates yet?

Damn you meddling bloggers.

/

If you didn't think it was wrong, why are you trying to hide it?

All your AstroTurf are belong to us!
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For Great Justice!

Account closed.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

re: #10 BrianA

Anyone send fan mail to Winner & Associates yet?

You mean Loser & Associates.

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

Go Rusty!

Is Rush talking about this yet?

I was just listening to Rush but I missed his opener. I don't know that he'll talk about it yet. He may wait until tomorrow to see if any other shoes drop. He's actually a lot more cautious than people give him credit for.

But Hannity will go for it, as will Levin, IMO.

This story isn't going anywhere, I think. Especially since Jawa did the good work of saving all the evidence.

re: #7 Kenneth

I don't know if anybody has mentioned this before, but I'm beginning to suspect the Democratic Party is nothing but pack of liars. Hmmm...

Think of the twisted character in Lord of the Rings, Gollem and how he chased after his precious, the ring. In this case the 'rats chase after power.

re: #14 MandyManners

Too late.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

QUICK, TURN ON CNN! THEY'RE ALL OVER THIS!

j/k

re: #15 EIDE_Interface

You mean Loser & Associates.

My bad.

What will the MSM make of this, I wonder...

re: #19 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

QUICK, TURN ON CNN! THEY'RE ALL OVER THIS!

j/k

*whack*

re: #5 MandyManners

Ethan Weinner is more like it.

Well, when this over with luck we can just call him 'jailbird'.

Winner and Associates.

[Link: www.winnerandassociates.com...]

Here's hoping for another throbbing memo moment that can be super glued right on the ass of the Obama campaign.

re: #22 MandyManners

*whack*

didn't you mean "*whack* j/k"?

Luckily, Astroturf is inorganic and will last forever.

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Well, when this over with luck we can just call him 'jailbird'.

He might, if lucky, get his hands slapped.

The MSM will ignore is, so it will be as though it never happened and never existed.

Why would Winner have used his real name? Doesn't that seem a little amateurist?

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Well, when this over with luck we can just call him 'jailbird'.

Bubba's best lil' buddy?

re: #26 jwb7605

didn't you mean "*whack* j/k"?

No 'cause all I saw was the first line.

re: #30 Dalibama

Why would Winner have used his real name? Doesn't that seem a little amateurist?

EGO as big as the twin towers.

Somebody's "OH SHIT" meter must have pegged this morning over at Winner's!

Dirty tricks have been a part of campaigns for as long as there's been politics. They may be more technically sophisticated, but the results hoped for are always the same - to gain power.

Someone got caught with the hands in the cookie jar, and it should be fun to watch those involved squirm.

Pass the popcorn.

re: #28 Perplexed

He might, if lucky, get his hands slapped.

After the "investigation" concludes after January 2009, also.

Turn on the light--the cockroaches scatter.

Great work.

someone noted that blogs must being monitored for this to get noticed, then immediately the evidence starts to disappear. Now, who has the resources the hire people to sit 24 hours and monitor blogs? Hmmmmm

re: #30 Dalibama

Why would Winner have used his real name? Doesn't that seem a little amateurist?

Maybe hubris lead him to think that he'd not get caught.

Don't they think anyone but liberals (i.e., like minded) read the Internet?

These people are as dumb as a box of rocks.

re: #32 MandyManners

No 'cause all I saw was the first line.

You need larger bifocals.
/

re: #38 Dave the.....

someone noted that blogs must being monitored for this to get noticed, then immediately the evidence starts to disappear. Now, who has the resources the hire people to sit 24 hours and monitor blogs? Hmmmmm

Soros.

When will the Obama campaign get into the act?

/thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa

Why would Winner have used his real name? Doesn't that seem a little amateurist?

Maybe hubris lead him to think that he'd not get caught.

He wants the recognition.

And some speculate that the Obama campaign is monitoring the blogs and ordered this removed. Hence a connection to them.

You can bet eswinner already has bus tracks across his back.

Well, I suppose it was inevitable considering all the people Obama's pushed under there.

Looks like the campaign bus is gonna throw an Axelrod.

(yeah, I know I already posted this...)

Also, I forget who first said it, but I know Mark Levin refers to Obama as Milhouse. Given the way that Obama can't take criticism, projects racism onto the actions of others for denying him the Presidency (and they haven't even gone through the motions of holding an election), and his apparent dirty tricks, the Nixon moniker appears even more relevant.

Too bad there's no one in the media who wants to play Bernstein and Woodward. It's taking a blogger to do the work that journalists just wont do.

re: #44 Dave the.....

He wants the recognition.

And some speculate that the Obama campaign is monitoring the blogs and ordered this removed. Hence a connection to them.

Hahaha! Somebody's phone rang at 3AM!

What worries me is that there is a clear appearance of a link to the Obama campaign. Which is a clear violation of campaign finance laws, notably McCain-Feingold.

But does Bush have the guts to see an investigation through? On a timescale that will produce real results, instead of President Obama issuing himself and his toadies pardons?

It's a sock puppetry in a nut shell! Great article by Rusty!

Hi, Rush!

re: #40 yesandno

Don't they think anyone but liberals (i.e., like minded) read the Internet?

These people are as dumb as a box of rocks.

No McCain supporter can use the Internet or use e-mail.
I know that's true, because I didn't learn that on the Internet.

Ya know all of this dirt being tossed at Obama & his supporters.
Come on, a story will soon break that Sarah Palin once wore white after Labor Day. Now there's a story.

These roaches can run, but they can't hide. Rusty got his can of Raid out, and has the roach motel traps set.

How long till Rush talks about this?

re: #44 Dave the.....

He wants the recognition.

And some speculate that the Obama campaign is monitoring the blogs and ordered this removed. Hence a connection to them.

We've seen the monitoring when Charles has posted the latest hate monger page on Obama's presidential website. Very soon afters he highlights the hate page, down it comes.

re: #17 Perplexed

I'd like to see someone chasing Billy Ayers' precious - the one that was made from Sen. McCain's left wing.

/not sure if it was his aircraft, but the rings that he and Bernardine have were made from metal from downed American aircraft.

re: #22 MandyManners

*whack*

and its on MSNBC now too!

re: #55 Honorary Yooper

How long till Rush talks about this?

I'm sure his inbox is being flooded. I just contributed to said flood.

_{(G'morning LGF!)}

re: #38 Dave the.....

someone noted that blogs must being monitored for this to get noticed, then immediately the evidence starts to disappear. Now, who has the resources the hire people to sit 24 hours and monitor blogs? Hmmmmm

The Kos kiddies would work for cheap. A few joints or so, pizzas delivered to their basements, etc.

re: #58 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

and its on MSNBC now too!

Good grief! Even the Sci Fi channel is carrying it!

re: #58 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

and its on MSNBC now too!

I know you like it so, no *whack* for you.

So now the Losers have painted themselves into a corner.

Either they leave Dr. Rusty's report unchallenged, or...

they assert copyright over the videos he'll post, which demonstrates their provenance, essentially proving Dr. Rusty's report.

re: #58 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

and its on MSNBC now too!

Stop, yer killin' me!

re: #40 yesandno

Don't they think anyone but liberals (i.e., like minded) read the Internet?

These people are as dumb as a box of rocks.

You forget, they think only they are intelligent and sophisticated.

The right wing listen to talk radio, and are not computer literate.

Didn't you get that memo?

The Sarah Surge stalled because of the financial crisis.
Most people don't really understand it, but they blame Bush & McCain suffers.
They have got to make people associate Obama with the crisis, all the Freddie/Fannie money & a dirty mortgage deal with convicted felon Rezko.

re: #47 lawhawk

Also, I forget who first said it, but I know Mark Levin refers to Obama as Milhouse. Given the way that Obama can't take criticism, projects racism onto the actions of others for denying him the Presidency (and they haven't even gone through the motions of holding an election), and his apparent dirty tricks, the Nixon moniker appears even more relevant.

Too bad there's no one in the media who wants to play Bernstein and Woodward. It's taking a blogger to do the work that journalists just wont do.

Now that is untrue. Obama is Milhouse from The Simpsons: whining because Bart has to fight his battles for him. Obama is the same kind of weakling.

First collisions delayed
22 September 2008

CERN Director General, Robert Aymar, issued this statement on Saturday:

Geneva, 20 September 2008. During commissioning (without beam) of the final LHC sector (sector 34) at high current for operation at 5 TeV, an incident occurred at mid-day on Friday 19 September resulting in a large helium leak into the tunnel.

Preliminary investigations indicate that the most likely cause of the problem was a faulty electrical connection between two magnets, which probably melted at high current leading to mechanical failure.

CERN 's strict safety regulations ensured that at no time was there any risk to people. A full investigation is underway, but it is already clear that the sector will have to be warmed up for repairs to take place. This implies a minimum of two months down time for LHC operation. For the same fault, not uncommon in a normally conducting machine, the repair time would be a matter of days.

Physics is hard.

re: #61 jwb7605

Good grief! Even the Sci Fi channel is carrying it!

Even Comedy Central's in on the act. They're running a continuous loop of Nelson Muntz going "Ha ha!" and pointing at the Winners Losers.

running like rats.

Rush was just talking about the Palin/incest sketch on SNL. Didn't Franken (senatorial candidate) write that?

Apparently it's not available on NBC. I wonder if they'll try to put that down the memory hole, since that's a serious backfire if I've ever heard of one.

Well, you can go to CNN's homepage and they've got a photo of Dodd and Schumer as a companion to the toxic paper bailout.

It's truly caption worthy, and yet I doubt anyone will find a mention of Dodd's connections to Countrywide, or Schumer's letter writing that caused IndyMac to collapse.

And the rest of the Democrats, after failing to come up with a plan of their own, now want to institute drastic restrictions on the bailout.

Some restriction might be necessary, but then again, restrictions were needed in 2003 when the problem with Fannie and Freddie were identified and the Democrats refused to take action. The Democrats clearly have no idea how the economy works, and what kinds of restrictions and regulations are needed that provide sufficient protection while allowing for growth.

Further, you get people complaining about the law that Gramm wrote as though it's the source of this failure, all while these same people ignore that the law is how the bailouts are being formulated.

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

Go Rusty!

Is Rush talking about this yet?

No, but I'm sure he will wait a day or two to vet the situation... If he mentions 'something brewing' today, he might wait till his peak listener time around 2 pm (est) when he tends to refer to the most important bits of information (the vital memes) that he wants to include in his show.

With the banking/bailout story right at the top of the fold across the country, Rush's job right now to keep hitting the connections between the FM's, mortgage industry leaders and the Dem party, esp. the Obamites. That has GOT to go mainstream asap, especially in states where Mac isn't spending too many $$$ for ads.

re: #68 Kenneth

First collisions delayed
22 September 2008

Physics is hard.

So is giving crucial jobs out to the lowest bidder?

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

Don't forget, if you look at the first thread Charles put out about this, has had 2 links to go to.

Ace has a post, where they were asking for anyone with legal credentials to take a look at some financial information for them.

If I recall one of the operative words, "forensic" was used.

What we have not seen, is still out there.

"They don't need to burn the books.....they just remove then"

In other dirty tricks news. The DOJ confirms the investigation has led to Knoxville in the Palin e-mail caper.

re: #66 opnion

They have got to make people associate Obama with the crisis, all the Freddie/Fannie money & a dirty mortgage deal with convicted felon Rezko.

yep, you said it! (and you said it first, while I was tapping out my post above...)

re: #71 kynna

Rush was just talking about the Palin/incest sketch on SNL. Didn't Franken (senatorial candidate) write that?

Apparently it's not available on NBC. I wonder if they'll try to put that down the memory hole, since that's a serious backfire if I've ever heard of one.

he was outraged.
what could possible be funny abt. such a hideous subject.
how could that be a joke?

re: #72 lawhawk

You know lawhawk, it would seem to me, in opposing the bailout effort, it might just appear that if the misery lasted longer, it might play politically better for some people in upcoming elections.

re: #71 kynna

Rush was just talking about the Palin/incest sketch on SNL. Didn't Franken (senatorial candidate) write that?

I think Franken was a "consultant" on the opening sketch with McCain and the wildly exaggerated attack ads.

I was very skeptical when I read the first LGF post of this...but with the Jawa Report info and now the deletions...my conspiracy button is buzzing.

Yes, according to Obama, right-wing Americans are decent folks, who simply listen to the wrong radio and watch the wrong TV networks. Notice he didn't mention that they surf the wrong Internet blogs? Maybe that's for the next election...

re: #65 Dianna

Of course they pull the content. That way, anyone who tries to check the claims independently will come back and say "Well I looked, and it isn't there. "

This gets them off the hook with some fraction of the public. Politics is all about fractions.

McCain needs to bring this up in his campaign ads.

"Barack Obama's main campaign commercial production outfit has been doing some off-the-books work. They put smear videos against Palin on youtube. They don't publicly acknowledge doing so. When caught, they try to hide the evidence. Barack Obama. Not even ready to cheat. "

I'm John McCain, and my friends documented all this. Here's the link with full details and evidence. [link]

It starts with a burglary and ends with an 18:30 gap in a tape.

re: #72 lawhawk

Have you been following what's going on with (what looks to me) trying to start a run on WaMu?

re: #81 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I think Franken was a "consultant" on the opening sketch with McCain and the wildly exaggerated attack ads.

Now what would really be funny is an Obama sketch with him looking in the mirror saying "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, gosh darn it, people like me."

re: #74 Nevergiveup

The electrical fault involved connections on the superconducting magnets which confine the beam. There are 10,000 such magnets, so the chance that one failed shouldn't be too surprising. And this is Europe, so the concept of "lowest bidder" is unknown.

re: #1 victor_yugo

Rusty says he backed it all up.

Good. I hope he got it all before he went public.

re: #79 nyc redneck

I think they meant it as a slap at reporters and innuendo, but it was an extraordinarily bad choice.

re: #84 lostlakehiker

Of course they pull the content. That way, anyone who tries to check the claims independently will come back and say "Well I looked, and it isn't there. "

Dr. Rusty says he backed it all up, and will post it later today.

Which puts Wiener in a bind: do they assert copyright, and prove Dr. Rusty's, or leave it unchallenged?

re: #88 Kenneth

The electrical fault involved connections on the superconducting magnets which confine the beam. There are 10,000 such magnets, so the chance that one failed shouldn't be too surprising. And this is Europe, so the concept of "lowest bidder" is unknown.

How do they give out bids there? By Country?

re: #81 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I think Franken was a "consultant" on the opening sketch with McCain and the wildly exaggerated attack ads.

All I can say to the left & the media is keep up the nasty attacks. Every new outrage drives another busload of normal people over to McCain. Palin is the Human Wedge Issue.

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Now what would really be funny is an Obama sketch with him looking in the mirror saying "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, gosh darn it, people like me."

Matt & Trey, if you're reading this, take note.

re: #66 opnion

The Sarah Surge stalled because of the financial crisis.
Most people don't really understand it, but they blame Bush & McCain suffers.
They have got to make people associate Obama with the crisis, all the Freddie/Fannie money & a dirty mortgage deal with convicted felon Rezko.

The meme I have been hearing ever since this broke is that it is all about "deregulation". Seems to me the opposite is true.

re: #88 Kenneth

The electrical fault involved connections on the superconducting magnets which confine the beam. There are 10,000 such magnets, so the chance that one failed shouldn't be too surprising. And this is Europe, so the concept of "lowest bidder" is unknown.

Just as long as they don't cross the streams.

We had Swiftboating (all of it true) in 2004. This year we have InterTubing.

re: #88 Kenneth

The electrical fault involved connections on the superconducting magnets which confine the beam. There are 10,000 such magnets, so the chance that one failed shouldn't be too surprising. And this is Europe, so the concept of "lowest bidder" is unknown.

"lowest bidet" isn't

/all comes out in the wash

re: #90 Dianna
Nah, they meant it has a slur against the Palins. Put it out there and let the people ponder.

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Just as long as they don't cross the streams.

Actually, that's precisely what the LHC is designed to do.

re: #79 nyc redneck

he was outraged.
what could possible be funny abt. such a hideous subject.
how could that be a joke?

I know. It's almost like they're in the tank for McCain. How could they possibly think that would be well received by the majority of the American people?

They pulled in a lot from the first Sarah Palin sketch. To pull this out the second week ... beyond stupid.

But Franken needs to wear this around his neck. The MN voters need to see it. He's a very disgusting, sick person.

Makes you wish there were real journalists left in this country. This is Watergate big. Using expensive PR firms to blanket the internet with lies about your opponent, just to sit back and pretend your hands are clean. This is the kind of story that, if we had a media interested in facts, could shatter the Obama campaign like glass. There would be no moral high ground to take. Any question's about Obama's misogyny leftover from the Primary would be confirmed.

re: #92 Nevergiveup

On this project which involved some extremely complex technology the bidding & vetting process was very complicated & iterated. Only a few players could even attempt the job. Schedule & quality control were more important than price.

Typical leftist liars.

re: #99 newsjunkie_ky

Possibly - but I will tell you that it doesn't matter how they meant it. Not after the dreadful Daily Kos diarists when Palin was first announced.

"18:42 Rice urges donor nations to follow through on aid pledges to Palestinians (Reuters)"

Why not just have a Bonn fire?

re: #86 Dianna

Have you been following what's going on with (what looks to me) trying to start a run on WaMu?

Dunno about that, but I heard one of their commercials recently that mentioned that they have 104 branch locations in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

One-hundred four locations? That's music to the ears of bank robbers.

re: #102 Lizard by the Bay

Any question's about Obama's misogyny leftover from the Primary would be confirmed.

The misogyny of the entire Jackass Party. The Fascist Tool Barack Obama is merely the biggest symptom.

re: #90 Dianna

I think they meant it as a slap at reporters and innuendo, but it was an extraordinarily bad choice.

yes, and inexcusable.

re: #103 Kenneth

Schedule & quality control were more important than price.

"On time, under budget, correct: pick any two."

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis"

Kevin Hassett of the AEI, headline just up at Drudge :)

The rapid response of the memory hole operation tells me 3 things -

1) It is an Obama campaign coordinated activity. Aside from the fact that LGF has seen plenty of memory hole operations out of obama.com, Ace points out that the Obama campaign was given a heads up on the story but the Winner PR firm wasn't. Was Winner out there just surfing the web at the moment that Rusty posted? On a Sunday night?

2) It had to be astroturfing because a real grass roots partisan would have LOVED the extra attention of Rusty's post - the greater opportunity to scream "neocon scumbag liar!" at the top of one's lungs. That is how the NETROOTS behave. They don't scurry around purging the evidence when caught in a lie - they accuse the accuser.

3) John Kerry is an idiot (had to slip that one in).

re: #74 Nevergiveup

So is giving crucial jobs out to the lowest bidder?

European quality.

re: #100 victor_yugo

Yes. The interesting thing is it will take 1 month to warm up the damaged section of super-cooled magnets, one day to make the repair, and then 1 month to cool it down again. You can't go too fast warming or cooling or the thermal/mechanical stress will tear the machine apart.

re: #88 Kenneth

The electrical fault involved connections on the superconducting magnets which confine the beam. There are 10,000 such magnets, so the chance that one failed shouldn't be too surprising. And this is Europe, so the concept of "lowest bidder" is unknown.

I'd think there would be a way to test this, but then, sometimes you can't test it completely, as there is significant contraction at superconducting temperatures, and a low-voltage test might not find small faults. Turn on full power, and those small faults turn large. (Note, it was a long time ago, but I got a master's in high-energy physics, and have been around several accelerators, including the (former) ZGS at Argonne National Lab; SLAC; some smaller accelerators, and had a tour of Fermilab.)

Maybe no lowest bidder, but all union work in Europe.

McCain needs to open a full broadside into Obama, including the whole financial mess created by over regulation by congress and their reluctance to let the market flow, Obama's connections to this mess, his advisor's connections, and the coup de grace would be the Palin smears ads and Obama's attacks by proxy.

re: #102 Lizard by the Bay

Makes you wish there were real journalists left in this country. This is Watergate big. Using expensive PR firms to blanket the internet with lies about your opponent, just to sit back and pretend your hands are clean. This is the kind of story that, if we had a media interested in facts, could shatter the Obama campaign like glass. There would be no moral high ground to take. Any question's about Obama's misogyny leftover from the Primary would be confirmed.

Had that been the case, Obama would not have been the nominee.
Hillary wouldn't have made it, either.

We'd be worried about Dennis Kuchinich.

But what do "US Rabbis" have to say about this?

re: #98 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"lowest bidet" isn't

/all comes out in the wash

This thread is sinking to a new low; going right down the drain.

re: #106 Nevergiveup

"18:42 Rice urges donor nations to follow through on aid pledges to Palestinians (Reuters)"

Why not just have a Bonn fire?

Because the Reichstag is in Berlin.

re: #119 Kosh's Shadow

This thread is sinking to a new low; going right down the drain.

Plumbing new depths, flushed away, deep in the shit...

re: #111 runrabbitrun

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis"

Kevin Hassett of the AEI, headline just up at Drudge :)

Say it loud, say it often;

we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.

Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.

re: #119 Kosh's Shadow

This thread is sinking to a new low; going right down the drain.

WHEE!

/flush with success

re: #47 lawhawk

Also, I forget who first said it, but I know Mark Levin refers to Obama as Milhouse. Given the way that Obama can't take criticism, projects racism onto the actions of others for denying him the Presidency (and they haven't even gone through the motions of holding an election), and his apparent dirty tricks, the Nixon moniker appears even more relevant.

Too bad there's no one in the media who wants to play Bernstein and Woodward. It's taking a blogger to do the work that journalists just wont do.

As I said in an earlier thread, Obama is "Robert Mugabe-lite". His encouraging supporters to "get in the faces" of McCain supporters, his mindless minions hounding a radio show in Chicago to prevent a "right-wing thug" from voicing "lies and smears" about their candidate, to operatives sniffing about in Alaska for any dirt they can use - the late Richard Milhous was a boy scout compared to this guy.

They think we're stoopid.

re: #115 Kosh's Shadow

You can test things but there always remains a non-zero chance of some new failure. I had a tour of CERN, and it's pretty awesome, but human mistakes or physical faults still happen.

re: #125 Thunderbottom

As I said in an earlier thread, Obama is "Robert Mugabe-lite". His encouraging supporters to "get in the faces" of McCain supporters, his mindless minions hounding a radio show in Chicago to prevent a "right-wing thug" from voicing "lies and smears" about their candidate, to operatives sniffing about in Alaska for any dirt they can use - the late Richard Milhous was a boy scout compared to this guy.

Look for roving gangs of thugs scaring voters from polling places.

re: #127 Kenneth

You can test things but there always remains a non-zero chance of some new failure. I had a tour of CERN, and it's pretty awesome, but human mistakes or physical faults still happen.

Odds are always 50/50. Either it will work or it wont.

The instant vitriol on a governor with a 74% approval rating had to have an artificial boost to get it started, that much makes sense.

Man I hate politics

re: #125 Thunderbottom

As I said in an earlier thread, Obama is "Robert Mugabe-lite"...

In more ways than one. This financial crises has dried up the world credit markets to such an extent the next administration will have a hard time funding any new programs. Obama won't be able to borrow the money, or raise taxes or make up for the promised tax cuts. The only option is to start printing money and run up inflation. McCain won't do that. But Obama just might, and that would be disastrous for the US economy.

is this the sleaziest campaign yet?

re: #131 Kenneth

didn't inflation hit 10% under Jimmah?

LGF'rs re-edit Wikipedia and have them throw an edit lock on this entry about him.

re: #129 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That's a joke right? Just because there are 2 conditions does not mean the chances of either condition are equal.

re: #111 runrabbitrun

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis"

Kevin Hassett of the AEI, headline just up at Drudge :)

Thanks for posting that.
If McCain and honest journalists can hit this home- the dems are out.

....snip

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

re: #116 Idle Drifter

McCain needs to open a full broadside into Obama, including the whole financial mess created by over regulation by congress and their reluctance to let the market flow, Obama's connections to this mess, his advisor's connections, and the coup de grace would be the Palin smears ads and Obama's attacks by proxy.

I agree, but the language has to chosen.

I would go with "A track record of distortion".

The Democrat's effort to use FNMA to soak up liar loans in order to buy votes created what economists would call a "distortion" in the market. It removed natural market forces which would have clamped down on the activity. Instead, the Democrats created and sustained a policy that created the market distortion which grew like a cancer, and successive attempts to correct the distortion through reform were blocked by Democrats - and FNMA political contributions point out who was blocking.

Then there is the distortion of astroturfing and other dirty tricks that we all know about.

Distortion is the word I'd pick because it works for both lines of attack. It also preserves the idea that market forces do indeed work. It also preserves the notion that "regulation" didn't really cause the FNMA mess - we need some regulation of financial markets or they would constrict in size as risk premiums would climb if there was no systemic protection from fraud (eg the 1920s leading to the Great Depression).

Reform will require a new regulation scheme - the Democrats will try to use that fact to paint themselves as the proper regulators. They have proven to be the wrong ones. McCain is the right guy to sell reform of regulation vs the candy store distortions that Democrats produce.

JMO

re: #131 Kenneth

make up for the promised tax cuts

The second-oldest liberal lie.

Tax cuts make up for themselves in increased economic activity.

re: #130 Ojoe

Man I hate politics

Ah, but what would history be like without them.

"So, Caesar, how are you....BY JUPITER, WHATS THAT?!" *stab*

re: #133 pegcity

Yeah, good ol' stagflation days!

As I was leafing through some papers this morning I found this quote from Tocqueville that I had scribbled down months ago on a piece of scrap paper:

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

In light of this last week, his words have never rung so true.

re: #139 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

That's going on, what you say.

re: #138 victor_yugo

That depends on the details of the cuts and if the tax cuts given with one hand are clawed back with another.

re: #138 victor_yugo

yup, works like a charm everytime

its amazing what happens when people are allowed to keep their own money and not have it go to waste funding nothing.

re: #135 Kenneth

That's a joke right? Just because there are 2 conditions does not mean the chances of either condition are equal.

I dont know what you mean. I'm fully convinced there is a 50/50 chance of all the Victoria Secret Models showing up at my office and whisking me away on a round the world vaction for the next 6 months.

Either it will happen or it wont. 50/50

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re: #126 ronaldusmagnus

But our hearts are in the right place!

/

Here's your stupid question of the day coming from someone who only turns their computer on and off - if YouTube has yanked the evidence and it's "no longer available", how can we still have access to it?

re: #132 pegcity

is this the sleaziest campaign yet?

If it's not, I can't imagine how much worse it's going to get. The only comparisons I can think of are Andrew Jackson vs. John Quincy Adams, when it was exposed that Rachel Jackson was not divorced from her first husband when she began living with Andrew, and Grover Cleveland vs. James G. Blaine, when Cleveland was accused of having a child out of wedlock.

re: #132 pegcity

No.

That remains the race between John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson.

It killed Rachel Jackson.

Next thing that we will see is the BHO campaign highlighting this as an example of how they can respond quickly and decisively to that 3AM call.

re: #111 runrabbitrun

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis"

Kevin Hassett of the AEI, headline just up at Drudge :)

So much...

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

Mounds of Materials

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.

But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

re: #145 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

LOL! Unfortunately for you, the supermodels are here at my office.

re: #133 pegcity

didn't inflation hit 10% under Jimmah?

No. It peaked out at 18%.
Not sarcasm.

re: #147 ladycatnip

Here's your stupid question of the day coming from someone who only turns their computer on and off - if YouTube has yanked the evidence and it's "no longer available", how can we still have access to it?

It was downloaded and screen-captured by Rusty Shackleford before he put the post up.

Power of the blogs.

re: #152 Kenneth

LOL! Unfortunately for you, the supermodels are here at my office.

50/50 chance they're coming here next.

re: #111 runrabbitrun

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis"

Kevin Hassett of the AEI, headline just up at Drudge :)

and finally --

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.

McCain must make an ad explaining all of this to the American people.
The dems are a disaster. The dems are economically illiterate.

I'm afraid of Ahmadinejad in Manhattan. My temper might not take it.

re: #148 doppelganglander

re: #149 Dianna

Wow--thanks for reminding me about that. After reading about Laura Linney's acceptance speech (didn't watch the emmys) for John Adams, you've made me wonder? Did the HBO miniseries mention that little fact, because if I remember, the show covered John Adams life through his son's presidency.

re: #133 pegcity

No, I don't think it got that LOW.

re: #159 RedDish

Well...it was a remarkably ugly campaign.

Some of it sounds odd to us - even ridiculous - such as the accusation that John Quincy Adams kept a billiard table in the White House. The implication was that Adams was corrupt, but we have trouble with seeing that.

We can all see how horrifying it was that Rachel Jackson's first husband was dug up after both Rachel and Andrew had believed he was dead. She had to file for divorce and remarry Andrew. I believe - as did Jackson - that the stress and shame killed her.

Almost any and every act of malfeasance by the democrats is airbrushed.

re: #158 Dianna

I'm afraid of Ahmadinejad in Manhattan. My temper might not take it.

Good thing I'm nowhere near this modern-day Haman, because I'd try to kill him with my bare hands.
Although I'd really prefer if there is an accident some time when he's visiting an Iranian nuclear facility, and he gets to die of radiation sickness. I understand it is very painful.
Then, he'll die, and the pain will really start.
(add demonic laugh here)

re: #156 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'll send the ugly ones to you, ok?

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

I understand.

It's like trying to help a friend with a violent stalker.

Ahhh, checking my memory. It was the second campaign against Jackson that all this occurred---John Adams was dead by then. It was the closeness of the contest in 1824 that caused such a harsh campaign in '28.

I love this period in US History!

Investigation? I'm sure the leftists at google/youtube have destroyed any info about the youtube account that was used to post the videos. Down the memory hole, investigation thwarted. only to pop up later in another untraceable youtube account.

re: #85 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It starts with a burglary and ends with an 18:30 gap in a tape.

Or the hacking of an email account.

re: #120 taxfreekiller

"Let me ask Mr. Obama, what do you know about Mr. Axlerods involvement with the false and misleading ,Youtube, things put up on the Internet about my VP choice Sarah Palin?"

With all respect to my fellow Lizards, I am becoming of the opinion that most "regular folks" don't spend a lot of time and give a lot of attention to the Internet. Sure, they may e-mail each other and surf the Web, but I am coming to believe that they aren't appreciative of the finer nuances, such as the deletion of pages...

I do think that Future-President McCain can and should push at Nobamma on his links to Crook County, Illinois - Daley, Stroger, Resko, et. al. Those of us who live under the machine domination are very aware of the costs - highest sales tax in the country, higher murder rate than Baghdad, Out of control municipal borrowing, Nepotism & just plain old thuggery.

I am getting into my portable fox hole and am already ducking and weaving...

re: #161 Dianna

Well...it was a remarkably ugly campaign.

Some of it sounds odd to us - even ridiculous - such as the accusation that John Quincy Adams kept a billiard table in the White House. The implication was that Adams was corrupt, but we have trouble with seeing that..

Substitute a tanning bed in the Alaska Governor's mansion for a billiard table in the White House and I think we have an apt comparison.

re: #170 doppelganglander

Substitute a tanning bed in the Alaska Governor's mansion for a billiard table in the White House and I think we have an apt comparison.

Tanning with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for pool.

re: #170 doppelganglander

Substitute a tanning bed in the Alaska Governor's mansion for a billiard table in the White House and I think we have an apt comparison.

The difference being, however, that Seasonal Affective Disorder is a serious problem. I'd expect tanning beds to be pretty common.

From NRO - Jim Geraghty - Rick Davis-Steve Schmidt conference call

Hugh Hewitt asked about the revelations of The Jawa Report about the connections between slanderous anti-Palin YouTube videos and a firm with close ties to Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod. Schmidt urged "the reporters on this line" to see if there are connections between the firms.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

re: #170 doppelganglander

I have no problem with a VP using a tanning bed. I do have a problem with a POTUS getting a BJ from an intern. I guess it's all a question of nuance, eh?

re: #174 Kenneth

I have no problem with a VP using a tanning bed. I do have a problem with a POTUS getting a BJ from an intern. I guess it's all a question of nuance, eh?

Which would you rather watch?

re: #175 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Ew!

re: #151 FrogMarch

"How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis"

Obama just said Bush/McCain caused this mess. Someone please tell this idiot he is not running against Bush!

/He's running against Sarah!

#154 Dianna

re: #147 ladycatnip

Here's your stupid question of the day coming from someone who only turns their computer on and off - if YouTube has yanked the evidence and it's "no longer available", how can we still have access to it?

It was downloaded and screen-captured by Rusty Shackleford before he put the post up.

Thanks.

re: #175 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Bill makes me sick and I'd be worried how Todd might react if I stared at his very attractive wife. So I'll just go fishing with Cheney.

re: #133 pegcity

didn't inflation hit 10% under Jimmah?

Inflation and interest rates hit 18%.

re: #169 Conservative in Liberal Hands

McCain is hammering the Chicago Dem-mob connection in ads running now.

Just curious what is the make up of you-tube viewers? Isn't it really aimed at the less than 25 year old group. If so what impact does this type of BS have on the primary voting group in this country? Cuz based on my experience with my boys and their friends, most of whom were "political activists" on campus, wouldn't get off the couch to vote if MTV and ESPN were on.

Good job all you bloggers out there who keep an eye on these creeps.

I wish this would count. But look who's interested. Only conservative/Republican/right wing blogs. There's no critical mass. Yet.

Count me as skeptical. Don't get me wrong this is great work but
1) it's not as easy to convey as a straightforward comparison of two different fonts
and
2) I can't believe that there's anyone in the Obama campaign who is so clueless as to say the equivalent of "fake but accurate," effectively admitting the subterfuge.

Do they have a "web deletion specialist" from China on retainer?

...knowledge of Axlerod is seeping out to the Democrat base, which is why they're trying to purge it...It's too late for that BO candidacy to recover...heh heh...

There's a parallel with the dem party heads and Putin's gang...one knows it can lie with impunity, protected by other's faith to the Constitution, and the other knows that heading to Venezuela won't get them whacked, knowing our propensity to not wage war.

So how soon till we figure out which fungus makes petroleum, and destroy their worlds? When it gets figured out, it means billions and billions of dollars in profit for the people selling gas at fifty cents a gallon.
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And Limbaugh saying Obama isn't African-American, because his father wasn't an African-American, but a Muslim, was very interesting...did he say his father was Arab?

This is great fun, even from this side of the pond - Rusty's in Obama's base, killing his D00dz...

Let's hope you guys get the media leverage you need to nail the leftards - good luck :)

re: #50 Mike McDaniel

What worries me is that there is a clear appearance of a link to the Obama campaign. Which is a clear violation of campaign finance laws, notably McCain-Feingold.

But does Bush have the guts to see an investigation through? On a timescale that will produce real results, instead of President Obama issuing himself and his toadies pardons?

In short, I strongly doubt it.

The election is less than two months away, which probably isn't really enough time to complete a thorough investigation plus (if necessary) indictment.

Plus, I don't think the Bush administration can chase this for political reasons. Any attempt to prosecute members of Obama's team (no matter how justified) will appear to be a partisan attack on the Dem nominee. It certainly would be portrayed that way by a press than can't seem to do enough to praise Obama and attack McCain and Palin.

Even AFTER the election, pursuing this would likely be futile. If Obama wins the election, he'll bury this as POTUS. If McCain wins, he isn't going to want to start his term by purusing what will inevitably be portrayed as a partisan attack on his losing opponent.

So I think the only way this story gets traction is if it gets considerable mainstream press coverage. Of course, that's also unlikely, given the overall water-carrying the media has for Obama, though at least there are a few right-wing conservative outlets out there to potentially give this a push.

re: #186 Orbit Rain

..---
And Limbaugh saying Obama isn't African-American, because his father wasn't an African-American, but a Muslim, was very interesting...did he say his father was Arab?

With due respect to Limbaugh, what is the correct descriptor for an American citizen (of color) whose father is from Africa and whose mother is from the USA?

Without stretching too hard, I think "African American" might apply there.

If Limbaugh is saying that Obama isn't racially "black" (ie racially Negro), then maybe he's correct and maybe not, though its hard to see where he is going with that.

Obama looks black, thinks of himself that way, married a black woman, and is considered black by the electorate. By any metric that matters, he's black, irrespective of his specific genetic heritage.

If Limbaugh is saying that "African American" is a bad generic descriptor for Americans of color who are of African descent, he's likely right, though he's hardly the first one to claim that, and its a weird way to make that point.

Dirty tricks, lies and smears a la Richard Nixon! And from Axelrod, out of Chicago, Obama's current home town! Ironic, isn't it, that Nixon lost to Kennedy by losing in Chicago. Mayor Daley made sure that deceased Chicagoans continued to exercise their franchise in overwhelming numbers!

If you don't believe in life after death, consider Chicago on election day!

I submitted this story to the Drudge Report. I figure it's the best way to get it into the mainstream. I would suggest you do the same so this doesn't get covered up. What Obama's campaign did was illegal and needs to be exposed.

Be safe and well.

Obama heritage is Kenyan American - 50% white, 44% Zanzibar Arab Kenyan, 6% black Kenyan - the confusion can arise on several levels because "The United States of America" and "American" aren't quite precise enough to relate to other countries with unique names.

If you take the widest geographical meaning of the word "American", it refers firstly to someone whose birthplace was anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. So, on that geographical basis, Obama is an American of African(continent)-American(continent) heritage.

Let's give the USA a unique nation -name to see the result: use "Tusa".

Obama's heritage is 50% Kenyan, 50% Tusian in nationality.

re: #147 ladycatnip

Here's your stupid question of the day coming from someone who only turns their computer on and off - if YouTube has yanked the evidence and it's "no longer available", how can we still have access to it?

Might I suggest a nifty little freeware program called YouTube Dowloader. The more of us who have and use tools like that, the less "no longer available" will matter.
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re: #191 ploome hineni

the uglier the lies about Gov Palin, and more dignified she seems

to attack this serious, hardworking ethical woman, for loving her disabled child, living her faith and supporting her family is so obscene

Exactly so. Here in Alaska I've met a small minority of people who rant against Sarah Palin for no obvious reason, and with just one exception, they're uniformly people whom I wouldn't trust having as a friend. One lady who has nothing better to do than spend most of her days ranting online, has been on psychiatric drugs for a prolonged period of time. Nobody home. Years ago, long before Sarah came along, this individual was ranting against almost everything good. A true rotten apple.

Two years ago I met Sarah Palin before she ran for Governor. She was a really genuine, caring person, with a firm handshake, who was interested in what I had to say. I was actually flattered. (What politician have you met lately, who flattered you before they even heard your name?) Incidentally, I told her that I thought she was going to be governor, and I asked her (based upon that being so) what she would be doing 4 years down the line. She smiled and said, "Well, in that case I guess I'll be campaigning for re-election."

Hmmm. How times change.
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