How do you spell InterTubed?

Ace is also enjoying the heck out of this, I see.

Shame Daily Kos can't go down the memory hole.

The cover-up is usually worse than the crime. Just ask Nixon.

There going to have to dig a new hole soon. That one is filling up.

Many types of Holes over there.

Astroturfing goes under the bus.

I had a funny experience with a moonbat yesterday. I was at a party in a three-way conversation with a young woman, and when asked what her job was she said, "I've just gotten my master's degree in 'Gender and Development'." The other person asked what that meant, and the moonbat explained it was about gender roles in economic development. Further quizzical looks got her a little ruffled, and she further explained that "women do most of the work in third-world nations." The other person still didn't quite grasp how this fact qualified as the topic of a major that you could get a master's degree in. So the moonbat woman elaborated, "Well, it's just not sustainable if everyone in China wants to live with the same level of consumption as we do here in America," and explained that her course work involved going to third-world countries and setting up water pumps and solar panels and so on to make women's lives easier.

So far I hadn't said anything except to nod and go "uh-huh." But I felt it was time to speak. So I said, "If your major is in 'Gender and Development,' is the goal to prevent economic development, or encourage it?"

Man oh man, you should have seen the expression on her face. She had been smiling, a "see what I mean?" smile -- and the moment I asked my question, her smile went hollow, and her eyes went unfocused. It was as if I had sprung a trap door in her mind and in a flash she found herself plummeting through darkness. Because, as I suspected, she had never even pondered the question before. And she was wholly unaware of the fundamental hypocrisy and paternalism of her entire field of study. Which up until that moment she had imagined was above reproach and internally consistent.

There was an awkward silence, as she sat there paralyzed and spinning through space, reviewing in her mind everything she had done for the last 8 years, so I continued. "I mean, I presume that you think it's a bad thing that China is becoming industrialized, and that they all want first-world comforts. So your wish must be that the Chinese stay backward, and don't become affluent consumers. Right? And yet, you go to other countries, and help them get technological advances, to make their lives easier. So, at a certain point, will you say to the people in those countries, "You can have some comforts, and some leisure time -- but only those that we've given you. You're not allowed to improve your lives any further, because it would be bad for the environment"?

And this point she looked like a trapped animal, and made a few incoherent stabs at backpedaling. "Well, no, I mean, it's just that..." etc. I kept talking. "Once you give these third world peoples a taste of how life could be with technological improvements, and time-saving devices, and electricity, and roads, do you think they'd just want to stop, and be satisfied with the gifts the Americans have given them? Isn't more logical to assume that each of these countries you've helped will only start down the same road that China has, and they'll all want to become economically successful -- with the high levels of product consumption and power usage that entails?"

Her only answer was, "I never really though about it."

Never really thought about it? Luckily, the third person then changed the subject, but it was obvious Miss Development was looking dazed. She had lived in this self-congratulatory left-wing academic bubble for so long, that she had never stepped back and actually pondered the stupidity and self-defeating circular pointlessness of her entire field of "study." (And she made it clear that the only thing they "studied" how to do was become political activists. And this was no small college -- this was a major world-class university she had just graduated from.) Nor had it ever occurred to her that she was being culturally imperialist and condescending, dictating to the heathens how they should live.

Later, I overheard her saying she was pondering changing her career.

So all of these memory hole actions happen simultaneously.

Right after Jawa's post.

At least we can be certain it is not coordinated by any campaign - that would be illegal.

Right now they are posting yet another smear/lie about Palin!

But I'm curious how the undecideds will see this. That'd make an interesting viral e-mail, I would think.

Sarah Palin was a full-on, street protesting clinic blocker.

click through at your own risk!
Did we miss this? Palin was a clinic blocker?

Can't leave any evidence laying around you know. . . . . though I suspect that since someone has noticed the astroturfing diaries are disappearing someone also has evidence to prove they once existed. As always, a day late and a dollar short.

Daily Kos Swiss Cheese

re: #4 Sharmuta

The cover-up is usually worse than the crime. Just ask Nixon.

Then again, as with Nixon, follow the money.

re: #8 zombie

She spent 8 years, and either her parents' money or took loans, and she never really thought about it?!

The Sparts at SFSU had better sense back in the 80's!

re: #8 zombie

And this point she looked like a trapped animal, and made a few incoherent stabs at backpedaling.

You must have really thrown her. Because she should have relied on the standard retort this year - "Racist!"

re: #8 zombie

/applause

re: #8 zombie

She spent how much money and time to get this degree and didn't put 2+2 together to see that the goal of her degree and her intentions were in direct contravention? Not too bright on her part.

I'd say you gave her a good mugging by reality.

Then again, most of academia is filled with this kind of incoherence and leftist talk - it's designed to raise folks up to a certain point, but no higher, and drop everyone else down to the same level (everyone else being the West, and the US in particular).

re: #10 Shanimal1918

Right now they are posting yet another smear/lie about Palin!

click through at your own risk!
Did we miss this? Palin was a clinic blocker?

Screen capture it.

re: #8 zombie

... her smile went hollow, and her eyes went unfocused. It was as if I had sprung a trap door in her mind and in a flash she found herself plummeting through darkness. Because, as I suspected, she had never even pondered the question before.

Cognitive dissonance can be traumatic in some.

;^)

re: #8 zombie

Just freakin "Wow"

And she has spent how many years studying for a Master's degree in this shit?

Man, between the Kossacks and Obamanoids, that memory hole's gonna be getting pretty full soon. Sadly, the average person doesn't pay close enough attention to realize what a phony baloney weather vane that idiot Obama is.

re: #12 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Daily Kos Swiss Cheese

Why yes....it happens alot over there doesn't. So much down the hole.

Again, this is how the brown shirts operate.

I just realized - the road to Hell is paved with Astroturf.

re: #14 Dianna

Interestingly, you'd think that after our conversation, Miss Development would have hated me -- but several hours later, toward the end of the party, she appeared to be elated, and acted very friendly toward me, because I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

They're in a panic precisely because we're onto something potentially huge.

The fact that they are deleting diaries is proof of the fact they know they were doing something unlawful, IMHO. The guilty always try to hide their acts.

Zombie: are you sure it's safe for you to be posting such a detailed story of a conversation involving yourself? If it were to get back to either of the other two parties of the conversation, you could be outed, unless perhaps you were a completely unknown stranger to both other people. Well, even then, your gender could be disclosed.

re: #8 zombie

Fascinating!

Later, I overheard her saying she was pondering changing her career.

On one hand (or two), I applaud both you and her.
On another hand, I can't believe she actually got it.

/I guess miracles do happen

zombie

She had lived in this self-congratulatory left-wing academic bubble for so long

Moonbat parents footing the bill, presumably.

Speaking of "Astroturfing" if you are a gun owner you should be aware of a fake group called the American Hunting and Shooting Association. They are attempting to persuade ignorant Fudd's that Obama has no intention of taking away their duck guns, just those evil "assault rifles".

Great thread on this bogus group, the numerous gun banners that started it and Biden's association with them at Free Republic.

The NRA has their number.

Don't be fooled.

re: #8 zombie

You made her think for the first time in a long time. Degrees like that and others like "women studies", "Chicano studies", etc....what do they do for the degree holder? The only job you can get is to teach others the same stuff, yes? Plus, all of these degrees are taught within that "left-wing bubble" you mentioned. I used to think my history degree was worthless....now, I feel a little better, it could have been worse.

re: #26 zombie

Interestingly, you'd think that after our conversation, Miss Development would have hated me -- but several hours later, toward the end of the party, she appeared to be elated, and acted very friendly toward me, because I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

Perhaps there had been some rumblings from various synapses?

Honestly, it would be good if it did her some good, but I'm appalled by the waste of time, resources and brain power.

re: #8 zombie

I have had people like her defend to me the religion of the Aztecs, because the Conquistadors were "bad".

I would like to remove to a sane world.

re: #8 zombie

Zombie, that may have been the most generous gift that woman has ever received: a healthy dose of reality while she still has time to realize it and make some changes.

Kudos.

re: #31 Colonel Panik

"I don't have the votes to take your guns away from you".

re: #17 lawhawk

Then again, most of academia is filled with this kind of incoherence and leftist talk - it's designed to raise folks up to a certain point, but no higher, and drop everyone else down to the same level (everyone else being the West, and the US in particular).

Yes, I suppose that would be the only logical position: to make everyone in the world live in a sort of semi-squalid but semi-technological eco-utopia -- whcih would entail destroying the economies of developed countries, and slightly raising the economies of third-world countries, but only so much.

But she hadn't even figured that much out.

re: #8 zombie

I want to read the sequel..............The Next Morning.

Jus kiddin.

If that memory hole gets too full it might just become a bump on the road that will flip that dang bus right over.

zombie

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James

Or, we might add, merely reinforcing them.

re: #20 Alouette

Just freakin "Wow"

And she has spent how many years studying for a Master's degree in this shit?

Eight years.

re: #10 Shanimal1918

Right now they are posting yet another smear/lie about Palin!

click through at your own risk!
Did we miss this? Palin was a clinic blocker?

The post title should read: Did we try this one yet? Palin was a clinic blocker?

re: #37 zombie

re: #37 zombie

No room for NASA in such a world.

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/applause

/standing up, joining

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

It's a good question, and from their actions, not wholly unreasonable to ask. The coverup is worse than the initial actions (which is usually the case).

Kos set up his site as a way to become a kingmaker (though he's 0-fer, as attested by Sen. Ned LaMont, President John Kerry, et seq.) Still, that isn't keeping him from trying. Besides, if you want to astroturf, it's cheaper to farm out that stuff to a whole bunch of willing folks who will take any rumor and spread it far and wide without a second thought, especially when you have major Democrat politicians on the site, Kos himself got a role at Newsweek, and the Democrats appear to have decided that Kos needs to be treated with fealty.

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

(The Daily Kos) stands like a hideous parody of the Colossus of Rhodes, with one foot in a fetid swamp of hatred and the other in the camp of the Democratic Party.

Brilliant turn of a phrase!

re: #26 zombie

I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

That was how I felt when I realized I didn't buy into the whole Stalinist mind trap that these "outreach" efforts represent.

When you see markets as an ancient form of expression that has advanced civilization, you want to put them to work. Technological innovation becomes a by product and energy consumption a necessary catalyst.

It all results in a freer people in an ever more prosperous world.

How can anyone whose heart is on the left be against that?

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, while we were waiting for the midnight hour last night, this is exactly one of the things that was going through my mind.

I did not elaborate my thoughts, but one of the things Ace had posted about wanting legal advise to do some forensic work regarding money trails really got me thinking.

I was going to work in some smart ass comment about "auotpilate" but I can't remember now what it was in reference to .

I am thinking terminal distribution. A hub of sorts.

re: #8 zombie

Good story! Make people think about their malthusian career choices.

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

Earlier today I raised the possibility, which I will here raise again:

Is the Kos site actually intended as a "farm system" for astroturfing? Was it founded and financed for that purpose?

It may or may not have been started for that reason, but it sure is operating that way now.

It would be interesting indeed to learn whether or not Kos--who, if memory serves, had a small "consulting" scandal to deal with an election or two ago--is actually a paid shill whose task is to create a launching pad for the filthiest of scurrilous rumors.

It would not surprise me in the least.

re: #41 zombie

lol

A Master's is typically a two-year degree. Timely completion is important for a healthy program. By tying up university resources, she was screwing up the "development" of incoming students, too. Eight years! Good grief.

Maybe the department was soaking her family for cash.

re: #34 Ojoe

I have had people like her defend to me the religion of the Aztecs, because the Conquistadors were "bad".

I would like to remove to a sane world.

The Conquistadores, who BTW were the worst scum of Europe, were all freaking angels when compared to the Aztecs, Incans and Mayans, who waged huge wars with one another just in order to capture human sacrifices for their bloody gods.

re: #28 Alberta Oil Peon

Zombie: are you sure it's safe for you to be posting such a detailed story of a conversation involving yourself? If it were to get back to either of the other two parties of the conversation, you could be outed, unless perhaps you were a completely unknown stranger to both other people. Well, even then, your gender could be disclosed.

These people would be more likely to ride a unicycle to Neptune than read LGF, or even be aware that LGF existed. We're talkin' m.o.o.n.b.a.t.s. here.

re: #8 zombie

With just a couple of quick questions you pointed out to her that her life was a lie. You did her a favor. Eight years is a whole lot easier to lose than are 40.

Is the memory hole the same as under the bus ?

re: #36 Cap'n DOC

"I don't have the votes to take your guns away from you".

I'm sure the MSM would quietly ignore Palin if she said, "I'm not going to take away abortion. I don't have enough power."

re: #52 godfrey

I was thinking the same - as I got a Masters' in two years. I suspect she was going part time, but the university must have been real lenient in their academic requirements to complete coursework in a timely fashion.

re: #36 Cap'n DOC

That is probably the most truthful statement Obama has made in his entire campaign. The Democrats have learned that Gun Control is a loser in National politics, and the Supreme Court has started taking a dim view of it at the local level. While they would like to take our guns, they won't be able to. Still, we need to go on the offensive. Ultimately, I'd like the SC to re-visit the Miller decision, and throw the entire NFA out as a violation of the Second Amendment.

re: #8 zombie

Righteous upding on that comment Zombie, bursting moonbat bubble. ha!

Who is in charge of deleting diaries at kos?

re: #26 zombie

Interestingly, you'd think that after our conversation, Miss Development would have hated me -- but several hours later, toward the end of the party, she appeared to be elated, and acted very friendly toward me, because I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

Good for you.

And good for her: let's hope this new perspective sticks with her.

Pigua in Jerusalem [Link: www.haaretz.com...]

re: #26 zombie

Interestingly, you'd think that after our conversation, Miss Development would have hated me -- but several hours later, toward the end of the party, she appeared to be elated, and acted very friendly toward me, because I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

Actually, you may have. She probably did not feel like she could be a good upstanding woman of society if she didn't work her hardest to change the plight of women everywhere, giving them the drips and dribbles of technology to help them. Now, she may feel free to pursue her own interests, which will probably improve society for everyone.

re: #38 kansas

I want to read the sequel..............The Next Morning.

Jus kiddin.

What happened after the party is a different topic altogether!

re: #61 Sharmuta

Who is in charge of deleting diaries at kos?

Perhaps the same sort of "invisible hand" that would kill off Khomeini's enemies back in the 80s.

re: #8 zombie

You mugged her with reality!

re: #61 Sharmuta

Who is in charge of deleting diaries at kos?

A pertinent inquiry!

I'd ask them, but I can't seem to register.

Someone is in some serious trouble (with the 'rats) over this mess. I really wouldn't be surprised if someone (with the 'rats) took it upon themselves to do physical damage to the people involved with this scheme.

too bad they can't use all that energy and effort to battle jihadists

re: #62 Spiny Norman

Same guy who wrote the Motorcycle Diaries.

/slightly

re: #58 lawhawk

Right. Sixteen semesters is typically the cap of a Ph.D. program, not a Master's. After two years, my guess is that her funding ran out and she started "teaching" to make ends meet. That's hundreds and hundreds of students, under her tutelage. Oy.

re: #8 zombie

She had lived in this self-congratulatory left-wing academic bubble for so long, that she had never stepped back and actually pondered the stupidity and self-defeating circular pointlessness of her entire field of "study." (And she made it clear that the only thing they "studied" how to do was become political activists.

Ok well obviously you DO live in California. I know where you are coming from.

If you asked me what was "Gender and Development," my first thought would be about training bras and voice changes. If you told me it was a field of study, I would think it would be about 2-yr-olds and how little boys and little girls grow differently.

I am experiencing a cockroach infestation in my condo.
You walk into a room and turn on the light, and the MF'ers go skittering away.
Same thing happening at YouTube, Kos, etc.
Vermin!

/and trust me, the cockroaches don't stand a chance on my turf. I've handled them before.

Power to the Correct People!
(They eliminate vermin.)

Obama has finally mastered the Jedi Mind Trick!

re: #26 zombie

I have some moonbatty type friends and I love them dearly. I do not question their intentions very often, just their methods. Whereas, if they did not know me, they would not like me because of my political beliefs. The left questions the intentions of the right. Oh well, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. You are in much closer contact with these types, do you ever sense there is no way the left and right will ever agree on things?

re: #69 Dianna

A pertinent inquiry!

I'd ask them, but I can't seem to register.

I wonder if Killgore would know, but he's on vacation.

... and they said Nixon was bad for covering up.

re: #77 DesertSage

Obama has finally mastered the Jedi Mind Trick!

Just rec'd to Charles.

That needs a thread.

re: #79 Sharmuta

I wonder if Killgore would know, but he's on vacation.

He's off in some exotic locale, isn't he? It sounded lovely.

Bet he'll be sorry he missed all the fun, though.

What is "astroturfing"? Sorry. I assume "carpet the internet" with negative Palin stories?

re: #26 zombie

Interestingly, you'd think that after our conversation, Miss Development would have hated me -- but several hours later, toward the end of the party, she appeared to be elated, and acted very friendly toward me, because I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

Living with contradictions must be horrible.

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

On the other hand, Adam and Eve were lauded for it.

figuratively

Gender & Development and related programs are merely training grounds for "advocacy." Everyone in them thinks that they're teaching "critical thinking," when in fact they're merely teaching advocacy topics and techniques. They study other first principles for the purpose of arguing against them, but all their first principles remain conveniently unexamined, or at least unquestioned.

You wouldn't be in a program in "Gender & Development" if you weren't already a pampered and raving ideologue.

re: #8 zombie

IM IN UR BRAIN, WRECKIN UR CAREER PATH

re: #79 Sharmuta

I wonder if Killgore would know, but he's on vacation.

He's dropped in to comment a couple of times in mid-morning or so...he's been watching a cat eat whole fish heads...really.

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's the opposite of a grassroots effort. It's orchestrated from the top to look like it is coming from the bottom.

There's so much sh!t getting tossed down the memory hole it might collapse into a black hole before the election. The race that I'm watching this fall is which reaches capacity first; the memory hole or the space under the bus.

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

buz, I have to agree with you on this. dkos is just a collection point for all those conspiracy theories the left hopes to make it "upstream" with.

As stated by the poster "And then circulating those with the intent of having them work their way up the media stream.

It's like dkos is just one big suggestion box for far out left leaning loons seeking to tip an election at any cost (including complete abandonment of logic or critical thinking).

Oh by the way, upding on that. (zombie's #8 too)

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is "astroturfing"? Sorry. I assume "carpet the internet" with negative Palin stories?

On a different thread, I read that it originated from the term "grassroots".
Astroturfing is the extension whereby all effort is based on a false premise (from the underlying false surface).

re: #86 pre-Boomer Marine brat

figuratively

Leaf the puns alone, please.

re: #37 zombie

Yes, I suppose that would be the only logical position: to make everyone in the world live in a sort of semi-squalid but semi-technological eco-utopia --

Well maybe not everyone -- the dear leaders seem to manage to make exceptions for themselves.

re: #91 dgax65

Black hole, eh? That does lend a grim irony to Obama's "race to the center."

re: #94 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Leaf the puns alone, please.

Then where would you have us branch off to?

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

IM IN UR BRAIN, WRECKIN UR CAREER PATH

Except that she had no career path! Seriously, what was she going to do?

Wait, don't answer that! In all likelihood, I will be reading a grant proposal she wrote sometime in the next few months.

re: #90 zenren

Thanks and "ding".

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is "astroturfing"? Sorry. I assume "carpet the internet" with negative Palin stories?

Think "Grass roots" but fake.

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And whom would we root for?

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is "astroturfing"? Sorry. I assume "carpet the internet" with negative Palin stories?

Astroturfing

10 wounded in terror attack at busy Jerusalem intersection

Ten people were wounded - one seriously, two moderately and seven lightly - on Monday night in a terror attack at a busy Jerusalem intersection.

Rescue services said an Arab driver plowed his pedestrians into a group of people at Zahal Square.

Police said the driver was shot and killed by citizens.

re: #10 Shanimal1918

Right now they are posting yet another smear/lie about Palin!

click through at your own risk!
Did we miss this? Palin was a clinic blocker?

Of course it happened, just like that. Somebody said so. So it must be true.

snort

Let's be sure and cache these webpages and entries, Charles.

Hopefully 'ole stinky and his counterparts at Pajamas Media are doing that.

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is "astroturfing"? Sorry. I assume "carpet the internet" with negative Palin stories?

Fake "grassroots."

A coordinated attempt, by professionals often, to create a movement and make it appear as if regular people in various places are leading the charge.

re: #98 Dianna

She was "going to work for an NGO."

Or, in Fantasy Land, start one.

Lunch!

Please don't leave me too far behind!

re: #91 dgax65

There's so much sh!t getting tossed down the memory hole it might collapse into a black hole before the election. The race that I'm watching this fall is which reaches capacity first; the memory hole or the space under the bus.

John Wiley Price: You cant say black hole, that's racist!

(The Dallas folks will get it).

re: #101 godfrey

And whom would we root for?

No one.
I am tree!
I run rings around any sap!

And still nothing on NRO Corner or Drudge or any of the talk radio I've heard. They're all still focusing on the housing bailout brouhaha. Doesn't seem to have much in the way of legs, so far....

re: #75 Silhouette

This is the same crowd that wants to keep the 3rd World forever in the 3rd World. If they really wanted to help these poor people they would give them a power plant, give them a way to treat water to make it safe, give them access to modern medical technology, give them freedom from the tyrants that are running their lives right now. Give them the tools to pull themselves out of the hand to mouth scraping by life. Instead, they are told to stay in that mud hut and keep their "native culture" alive, even though that mud hut and "native culture" is what kills them and their children well before their time. This poor girl and her friends do these things to make THEMSELVES feel better, not the people they are "helping". It is the same mindset that makes schools for homeless children here in Phoenix. Why not spend time and money to make the children "un-homeless" instead. Because, as long as you have a "school for the homeless children", you will need to homeless kids to fill it up.

Thank you numerous answers to my question. Just haven't been online in a few days. Thanks again.

#76
try borax.
and bleach.
and voting Republican.

re: #78 Desert Dog

I have some moonbatty type friends and I love them dearly. I do not question their intentions very often, just their methods. Whereas, if they did not know me, they would not like me because of my political beliefs. The left questions the intentions of the right. Oh well, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. You are in much closer contact with these types, do you ever sense there is no way the left and right will ever agree on things?

I have a friend who is a staunch liberal, and in order for us to ever reach an agreement on a subject we would often have to talk about the topic for over an hour to make sure that we truly understood each other's positions and we understood why we had problem with the other person's position. Once we did that, then we could carve out a solution that was equable for both of us.

But it was hard, hard work. The type I don't see happening often.

re: #103 Ben Hur

And again.

re: #103 Ben Hur

10 wounded in terror attack at busy Jerusalem intersection

Isreal bends over backwards to accommodate the Arab and Muslim population in their country, yet this happens... and they are still accused of "apartheid."

I am so sick of this shit.

All this Jawa info needs to be talked up and about at the blogs distributing it. Make a distinction between Astroturfing and Viral.

re: #108 godfrey

She was "going to work for an NGO."

Or, in Fantasy Land, start one.

I work in nonprofit world. The last thing anyone needs is another freakin' advocate! Some practical training, rather than a bunch of self-esteem nonsense, would be an immense help. And teaching people how to game the system isn't useful, either. Things only can go around and around for so long before the music stops, and somebody's out a chair.

Grrrr.

re: #113 Desert Dog

This is the same crowd that wants to keep the 3rd World forever in the 3rd World.

And they want to bring the 1st world down to the 3rd world

re: #110 BrianA

John Wiley Price: You cant say black hole, that's racist!

(The Dallas folks will get it).

I think he actually meant that tongue-in-cheek, as his further comments intimated. But it was funny.

I remember the days when he was still breaking windshield wipers off of peoples' cars.

BTW :

For those not noticing, the Dow skidded 400 today and oil spiked $30 as a place to stick dollars.

The US uses 6.6 Billion barrels of oil a year.

Take $30 * 6.6 billion and you get about $200 billion per year added to the cost of inaction on the liquidity crisis for today.

I am not a proponent of bailouts, but I am not a proponent of suicide on principle either. We need to pull the trigger or have it pulled on us.

re: #103 Ben Hur

10 wounded in terror attack at busy Jerusalem intersection

Y-net

re: #103 Ben Hur

10 wounded in terror attack at busy Jerusalem intersection

Police said the driver was shot and killed by citizens.

GOOD.

re: #103 Ben Hur

I'm confused. This was either a violation of the Truce (an impossibility of course) or from the "moderates" (another impossibility)

Explain please!

re: #78 Desert Dog

We don't need to agree with them, actually. Just defeat them at the polls.

Argument is often just a way to drain your energy. Focus your efforts on swing thinkers, not hardened ideologues.

With the latter, all that's necessary is to sow a little doubt each time.

re: #90 zenren

It's the opposite of a grassroots effort. It's orchestrated from the top to look like it is coming from the bottom.

basically, fake grassroots.

re: #126 WrathofG-d

I'm confused. This was either a violation of the Truce (an impossibility of course) or from the "moderates" (another impossibility)

Explain please!

It was a "message" for Tzipi from the local Welcome Wagon on the other side of the wall.....

If you notice me rating comments, it's just for test purposes. Not intended as real ratings.

Checking the various bits of the code.

re: #112 StinkHammer

And still nothing on NRO Corner or Drudge or any of the talk radio I've heard. They're all still focusing on the housing bailout brouhaha. Doesn't seem to have much in the way of legs, so far....

While I read Drudge, the few times I have seem him in the news he is mostly interested in being recognized as being important. Drudge is somewhat old media. The legs will have to come from the internet centipedes.

re: #110 BrianA

John Wiley Price: You cant say black hole, that's racist!

(The Dallas folks will get it).

JWP certainly is one

re: #130 Charles

If you notice me rating comments, it's just for test purposes. Not intended as real ratings.

Checking the various bits of the code.

Let us know if you find any Ghosts in the Machines.

re: #118 astronmr20

You should appreciate this then: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/1 27702

or this

Using Humanitarian Lane At Checkpoint To Avoid Security Checks, Woman Sneaks In Weapon & Attacks Solider

re: #116 vxbush

I have a friend who is a staunch liberal, and in order for us to ever reach an agreement on a subject we would often have to talk about the topic for over an hour to make sure that we truly understood each other's positions and we understood why we had problem with the other person's position. Once we did that, then we could carve out a solution that was equable for both of us.

But it was hard, hard work. The type I don't see happening often.

It's just about impossible - almost all references mean entirely different things.

re: #130 Charles

If you notice me rating comments, it's just for test purposes. Not intended as real ratings.

Checking the various bits of the code.

You just ruined someone's day.

Racist Joos.

An Arab can't even get into a car accident in his own country without being labelled a terrorist!

re: #131 hazzyday

While I read Drudge, the few times I have seem him in the news he is mostly interested in being recognized as being important. Drudge is somewhat old media. The legs will have to come from the internet centipedes.

He generally only links old media. That's how the site was always run. Rarely does a story originate on Drudge. It's simply a collection.. nothing more, nothing less.

re: #116 vxbush

I have a friend who is a staunch liberal, and in order for us to ever reach an agreement on a subject we would often have to talk about the topic for over an hour to make sure that we truly understood each other's positions and we understood why we had problem with the other person's position. Once we did that, then we could carve out a solution that was equable for both of us.

But it was hard, hard work. The type I don't see happening often.

Of the sort that most "friends" don't want to bother to invest in the relationship.

re: #127 godfrey

We don't need to agree with them, actually. Just defeat them at the polls.

Argument is often just a way to drain your energy. Focus your efforts on swing thinkers, not hardened ideologues.

With the latter, all that's necessary is to sow a little doubt each time.

Reading about Zombie's meeting with the newly minted Grad Student, sometimes it does pay to talk to the other side. I attempt to debate or exchange ideas with as many of them as possible. Sometimes just for fun, as it is really enjoyable to watch them turn red and see steam coming out of their ears, but usually, I want them to tell me why I am wrong...that is even more enjoyable sometimes.

One group, [group's name] is a gathering point for potentially damaging stories about the enemy

There's a paradigm explaining the Left in the USA.
Loyal American citizens become 'the enemy'. But when it comes to cutthroat Islamusst terrorists, they're only 'misunderstood'.
I would spit, but it's a waste of good Conservative spittle to use it on such degenerates.

re: #63 der_ich

German TV reports: "allegedly an Arab"

Really? I could have sworn he was a Gipsy Buddhist monk or something.

hey look it's got its own professional journal so it's gotta be a real thing

[Link: www.genderanddevelopment.org...]

re: #137 BrianA

You just ruined someone's day.

LOL.

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

I think he actually meant that tongue-in-cheek, as his further comments intimated. But it was funny.

I remember the days when he was still breaking windshield wipers off of peoples' cars.

I moved back here in '96. Here that *sshole was in the middle of Northwest Highway (I think it was), screaming.

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'

'No problem, just let me in,' says the senator.

'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'

'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.

'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone give him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. 'Now it is time to visit heaven.'

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'

The senator reflects for a minute, then answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The evil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here, and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?'

The devil looks at him, smiles and says.......

'Yesterday we were campaigning.

Today you voted.'

Happy 5769 :)

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is "astroturfing"? Sorry. I assume "carpet the internet" with negative Palin stories?

Yes, but it must appear as though it were a "grassroots effort".

Fake grass = astroturf

re: #141 Desert Dog

Get you some young!

Yes, I stand corrected. I must be hanging around people with a harder crust.

re: #31 Colonel Panik

Speaking of "Astroturfing" if you are a gun owner you should be aware of a fake group called the American Hunting and Shooting Association. They are attempting to persuade ignorant Fudd's that Obama has no intention of taking away their duck guns, just those evil "assault rifles".

Great thread on this bogus group, the numerous gun banners that started it and Biden's association with them at Free Republic.

The NRA has their number.

Don't be fooled.

Their Wiki does a good job of "outing" them as well:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #90 zenren

It's the opposite of a grassroots effort. It's orchestrated from the top to look like it is coming from the bottom.

Very concise description. BTW, I just learned that term this morning and it's already going down the memory hole!

re: #58 lawhawk

I was thinking the same - as I got a Masters' in two years. I suspect she was going part time, but the university must have been real lenient in their academic requirements to complete coursework in a timely fashion.

I think it may have been eight years for her entire college career (during which she studied "gender" the whole time), not just the master's. I think she said she had been "doing this" for eight years -- I didn't get specifics.

re: #115 Querent

#76
try borax.Combat Traps
and bleach.Raid
and voting Republican.

And keeping the light shining on the VERMIN to destroy them!

PTTCP

re: #11 galloping granny

Can't leave any evidence laying around you know. . . . . though I suspect that since someone has noticed the astroturfing diaries are disappearing someone also has evidence to prove they once existed. As always, a day late and a dollar short.

"gg" -

As we used to say back in the day when I did stinky stuff - "THE GARBAGE WALKS>"

-S-

re: #132 pre-Boomer Marine brat

JWP certainly is one

I remember that radio talk show host David Gold used to call him "Cyclops".

re: #69 Dianna

A pertinent inquiry!

I'd ask them, but I can't seem to register.

Ha! I think many of us here have already been banned over there, but good luck. They aren't as tolerant of dissenting views, no matter how politely they are couched. lol

re: #129 Desert Dog

Report states that the IDF systematically brainwashed soldiers into participating in the "Disengagement"

re: #144 cheatypantsmcsweatervest

hey look it's got its own professional journal so it's gotta be a real thing

[Link: www.genderanddevelopment.org...]

" Academically rigorous material is presented in clear English, making it accessible to the widest possible readership." hahahahaahahahahahahhahahahaahha

Astroturf is so 1980's now all the fake grass is this "fieldturf" whis is like ground up shoes made to look like grass
perhaps we should update the vernacular.

Comments by Chinese apparatchik published in the People's Daily:

"The world urgently needs to create a diversified currency and financial system and fair and just financial order that is not dependent on the United States."

Fair and just?

You mean like currency manipulation?

re: #158 WrathofG-d

Report states that the IDF systematically brainwashed soldiers into participating in the "Disengagement"

Joos accusing people of using witchcraft?

And wasn't Arutz Sheva outlawed after Rabin was killed?

re: #159 debutaunt

" Academically rigorous material is presented in clear English, making it accessible to the widest possible readership." hahahahaahahahahahahhahahahaahha

We. talk. real. good. so. everyone. can. understand.

re: #10 Shanimal1918

Right now they are posting yet another smear/lie about Palin!

click through at your own risk!
Did we miss this? Palin was a clinic blocker?

This reminds me of the movies they make about the military. Ex-servicemen are all whacked out and violent, rapists or murderers, dupes and pawns.

For the Left, the religious all chain themselves to abortion clinics and throw their kids out of the house when they slip, and get pregnant. Idiots.

re: #56 DaddyO

Is the memory hole the same as under the bus ?

More like put on a "Magic Bus" that just disappears.
No bodies. No evidence. Just stink.

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

I remember that radio talk show host David Gold used to call him "Cyclops".

Hadn't heard that. When I moved back, I set my radios on WRR. To this day, they don't realize there are other stations out there.

/don't watch TV or read the DMN, either.

re: #160 cheatypantsmcsweatervest

You mean like, SoleStuff?

re: #8 zombie

Not long ago I was at a party full of lefties, and I was introduced to a recent graduate of PCA (Philadelphia College of Art). She had just been awarded a BA based on a thesis which consisted of photographs of peoples' sexual fetishes in action. Asked what I thought by her admiring friend (my facial expression had attracted attention) I said, "Since the culture is dead anyway, I guess it doesn't hurt to kick a little dirt on the grave."

re: #162 Ben Hur

1. Not exactly what they said. Unless you consider science "witchcraft" (soooooooo going to get in trouble 'round here)

2. Don't think so. It IS still there.

re: #153 zombie

I think it may have been eight years for her entire college career (during which she studied "gender" the whole time), not just the master's. I think she said she had been "doing this" for eight years -- I didn't get specifics.

Well, I can't bag on her too much.

I started studying the other gender before college and have continued to this day.

I still scratch my head.

Perhaps if enough memory issues are found, DailyKos itself will disapper down the memory hole.

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

Over at Hot Air.

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MSNBC: FBI SEARCHES APARTMENT IN PALIN HACKING CASE.
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re: #157 Outrider

Ha! I think many of us here have already been banned over there, but good luck. They aren't as tolerant of dissenting views, no matter how politely they are couched. lol

Yes- but who is in charge of deleting diaries? Can the author of the diary delete it? Or is it only admins of kos who can delete a diary?

Who is cleaning house over there?

re: #87 godfrey

Gender & Development and related programs are merely training grounds for "advocacy." Everyone in them thinks that they're teaching "critical thinking," when in fact they're merely teaching advocacy topics and techniques. They study other first principles for the purpose of arguing against them, but all their first principles remain conveniently unexamined, or at least unquestioned.

You wouldn't be in a program in "Gender & Development" if you weren't already a pampered and raving ideologue.

Everything you just said is 100% true!

But they aren't mere "training grounds" for advocacy -- the little activists actually jump in feet first while still in college. She had just spent a year overseas helping set up plumbing systems and electical systems in villages -- a year which was entirely paid for by the department, and for which she received a full year's worth of college credit. "Field work," doncha know.

re: #130 Charles

If you notice me rating comments, it's just for test purposes. Not intended as real ratings.

Damn. I thought I'd made you laugh.

re: #174 Sharmuta

Yes- but who is in charge of deleting diaries? Can the author of the diary delete it? Or is it only admins of kos who can delete a diary?

Who is cleaning house over there?

David Axelrod?

re: #167 Cap'n DOC
Not sure what sole stuff is, but:

FieldTurf is an artificial turf composed of monofilament polyethylene blend fibres tufted into a polypropylene backing with a mixture of silica sand and cryogenic rubber infill. FieldTurf was first patented in 1982.
It's used in:
* Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, Ohio - 2004 - replaced natural grass
* Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis, Missouri - 2005
* Fawcett Stadium in Canton, Ohio — next to Pro Football Hall of Fame and its namesake game
* Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan - 2002 (original)
* Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia - 2003
* Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey - 2003
* Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts - 2006 (26-Nov)
* Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minneapolis, Minnesota - 2004
* Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans, Louisiana - 2003, 2006
* Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana - 2008
* Qwest Field in Seattle, Washington - 2002 (original)
* Rogers Centre in Toronto, Ontario - Buffalo Bills games in Toronto

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #172 BrianA

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

Over at Hot Air.

Swift boating! Racism!

/Got the entire response from the left out of the way.

re: #172 BrianA

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

Over at Hot Air.

Whooooo!
*WHACK*

/gonna leave a mark

The McCain campaign is apparently aware of the Winner-Axelrod thing:

From Townhall

re: #172 BrianA

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

YES! I was wondering when the bitter-clingy-guns-religion ads were going to come out. I am so happy the NRA came out with this ad!

re: #172 BrianA

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

Over at Hot Air.

Thats gonna leave a big mark in PA! (outside of Philly of course).

re: #181 arethusa

The McCain campaign is apparently aware of the Winner-Axelrod thing:

From Townhall

Impossible. Obama assures me that McCain, that old fart, can't use the intertubes. So how would he know?

re: #172 BrianA
BIGGGG MARK..WACK WACK WACK

re: #172 BrianA

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

Over at Hot Air.

Like it. I hope they intend to play this throughout the swing states.

BTW, get Palin out there wearing cammo and shooting assault rifles STAT. The EVs will roll!

Jesus. Do I have to do Steve Schmidt's job for him?

re: #41 zombie

8 years for a freaking master's? You gotta be kidding, I had my master's from MIT in EE 5 years after I graduated high school. The PhD took longer, I will admit.

re: #175 zombie

OT:
I haven't clue -- what is the Peace Corps nowadays? In other words, is it really doing a needed job, honestly getting its hand dirty, or is it just a playground for moonbats, like this field work you describe?

re: #184 Silhouette

Impossible. Obama assures me that McCain, that old fart, can't use the intertubes. So how would he know?

On his Blackberry!

re: #32 Desert Dog

Our military employs whole legions of professional historians who spend entire careers resaerching and writing up what actually happened in various conflcits. Each branch has its own shop (the Army's is at Fort McNair in DC and the Marines is at Quantico, etc.) A history major could do worse with such a degree. Our serviecs are very serious about learning from the past - something almost totally lost in the rest of our culture - including especially among professional academic "historians."

re: #173 Tamron

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MSNBC: FBI SEARCHES APARTMENT IN PALIN HACKING CASE.
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"David Kernell is an economics major at the University of Tennessee there."

Ha, maybe the FBI can get Glen Reynolds to prosecute him.

re: #123 karmic_inquisitor

There was some very unusual action that involved futures expiration on the contract. The closing price was only up +$15 and the ICE Brent contract was up half that. Never the less, a lot of money that has been drained out of the stock market is trying to find a home in the commodity market. If we are indeed heading into a global recession/depression, that does not make any sense since the need for such things will be heading into demand destruction territory.

re: #192 turn

"I had nothing to do with it, I had no knowledge or anything," Mike Kernell told the AP last week.

Sounds like a bonafide genius, that one.

re: #162 Ben Hur

Joos accusing people of using witchcraft?

And wasn't Arutz Sheva outlawed after Rabin was killed?

If this is really true, wouldn't it be the biggest scandal in Israel in many years? I have to admit I was shocked at the time, seeing how willingly IDF soldiers carried out the expulsions.

re: #172 BrianA

OT:

NRA drops a bomb on Obama in PA.

Over at Hot Air.

"I'm not bitter. I'm blessed."

Nicely done!

re: #188 Shr_Nfr

8 years for a freaking master's? You gotta be kidding, I had my master's from MIT in EE 5 years after I graduated high school. The PhD took longer, I will admit.

...Would you care to volunteer to tell Joe Biden what you think about his IQ?
.

re: #189 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OT:
I haven't clue -- what is the Peace Corps nowadays? In other words, is it really doing a needed job, honestly getting its hand dirty, or is it just a playground for moonbats, like this field work you describe?

Thjis wasn't the Peace Corps - - this was a college program. And/or connected with a nonprofit.

Most lefties spend part of their college/post college era traipsing about dodgy countries doing some sort of "do-gooder" work, which in practice usually involves a lot of drinking, drugs and sex -- at taxpayer expense.

re: #123 karmic_inquisitor

Oil rose of $16.37 to a closing price $120.92 a barrel, and the Dow dropped 370.

Still not great.

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

If this is really true, wouldn't it be the biggest scandal in Israel in many years? I have to admit I was shocked at the time, seeing how willingly IDF soldiers carried out the expulsions.

It's no secret that the IDF had to psychologically prepare those involved for forcibly removing Jews from their homes.

Those fighting the expulsion played on that heavily, and tried to convince the soldiers by asking, How can you do this as a Jew? Look what you are doing to Jews, etc.

Overall it was very emotionaly for both sides.

There were many soldiers who refused to partake.

I wouldn't have.

re: #8 zombie

I had to log in at work in order to upding this. So well written...

re: #198 zombie

Thjis wasn't the Peace Corps - - this was a college program. And/or connected with a nonprofit.

Most lefties spend part of their college/post college era traipsing about dodgy countries doing some sort of "do-gooder" work, which in practice usually involves a lot of drinking, drugs and sex -- at taxpayer expense.

Yeah, I gathered that.
It's why I "OT'd" about the Peace Corps.
hmmm ... was just an idle thought

Overall it was very emotionaly for both sides.

Not my best.

re: #200 Ben Hur

It's no secret that the IDF had to psychologically prepare those involved for forcibly removing Jews from their homes.

Those fighting the expulsion played on that heavily, and tried to convince the soldiers by asking, How can you do this as a Jew? Look what you are doing to Jews, etc.

Overall it was very emotionaly for both sides.

There were many soldiers who refused to partake.

I wouldn't have.

They would have had to send me to jail or shoot me for disobeying an order.

re: #192 turn

"David Kernell is an economics major at the University of Tennessee there."

Ha, maybe the FBI can get Glen Reynolds to prosecute him.

You'd think an econ student would have looked at page 1 of his first textbook and gone, "Waaaait a minute. According to this, everything the DNC stands for is wrong."

re: #198 zombie

Thjis wasn't the Peace Corps - - this was a college program. And/or connected with a nonprofit.

Most lefties spend part of their college/post college era traipsing about dodgy countries doing some sort of "do-gooder" work, which in practice usually involves a lot of drinking, drugs and sex -- at taxpayer expense.

Zombie, just where does Rachel Corrie fit in, here? Was she on her own when she collided with that bulldozer, or did someone pay her ticket?
.

When something has been blown this far open I can't help but wonder what the cover-up artists think they can possibly do. Rusty et al have screen caps and copies of everything they've reported. It can't be disappeared.

On a related note, have the Google archives been cleansed as well?

re: #198 zombie

Thjis wasn't the Peace Corps - - this was a college program. And/or connected with a nonprofit.

Most lefties spend part of their college/post college era traipsing about dodgy countries doing some sort of "do-gooder" work, which in practice usually involves a lot of drinking, drugs and sex -- at taxpayer expense.

Now, now! I'm sure she did a lovely job telling the local ladies how the clean their new toilets with locally sustainable products!

re: #8 zombie

I was at a party in a three-way

WHOA!

re: #194 Ben Hur

Sounds like a bonafide genius, that one.

I hope they throw the book at David if found guilty, sad feeling that being the son of someone politically connected won't make that very likely. Is this the guy who called himself anonymous on the C4? hacker site? If so, doesn't he have a reputation as a hacker or can just anyone call themselves anonymous? Oh, dead thread now maybe answer next time.

re: #206 Tamron

Zombie, just where does Rachel Corrie fit in, here? Was she on her own when she collided with that bulldozer, or did someone pay her ticket?
.

Her ticket was paid by the ISM, a pro-terror nonprofit organization based in the US.

re: #189 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OT:
I haven't clue -- what is the Peace Corps nowadays? In other words, is it really doing a needed job, honestly getting its hand dirty, or is it just a playground for moonbats, like this field work you describe?

They're still out there eating "the People's" food and pretty much doing nothing.

A great, close friend of mine (who happens to be an Obama voting and failrly reasonable moonbat) recently returned from his Peace Corp stint in Mauritania. He was so disgusted with the organization, it activities, and its "activists" (his words) that he actually setup a meeting with the President of the Peace Corp while he was in Washington.

Somewhere in that meeting he actually told Senor President that he should be ashamed and that the whole thing should be shut down as it does more damage than good and is really just one gigantic "day care for over-privileged under-achievers."

My friend is what one would refer to as a "True Liberal." He's not into doing something just so you can you did it, if in fact you did nothing at all.

...but, yeah - other than him, it's the same as always.

re: #205 Silhouette

You'd think an econ student would have looked at page 1 of his first textbook and gone, "Waaaait a minute. According to this, everything the DNC stands for is wrong."

First day in class, redistribution of wealth? Hey, I'm in on that ...

re: #212 Noam Chumpski

Thanks VERY much.
I was afraid it was still that way, ... but one can always hope.

re: #209 Occasional Reader

re: #8 zombie

I was at a party in a three-way

WHOA!

But more seriously... I had a scaled-down version of your experience back in '92 or thereabouts, when I was living in NYC. At a party I met an earnest young leftie, who was in the city attending some big UN-sponsored global "indigenous peoples" shindig. She was of course very enthusiastically chattering about the whole thing.

I asked what I thought was a fairly basic question: "For purposes of this conference, how do they define 'indigenous people', especially since we're talking worldwide?" For a moment, I got that same blank look/faded smile you described. Then she screwed up her face a bit, thought hard, and said - earnestly, of course - "I think they mean it's, like, you know, the people who were originally there."

Moment of silence. I'm not sure if I actually cleared my throat, but let's just say I did. "But... everyone is originally from somewhere, right? I mean, us white folks didn't arrive on Earth in a flying saucer. So aren't, say, Belgians 'indigenous' to Belgium, and so do they get to be represented at the conference?"

Silence, more blank stare, then she said something like "well, no, uh, that's not what they mean."

Not quite as dramatic as your example, but a similar feel to it.

re: #214 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks VERY much.
I was afraid it was still that way, ... but one can always hope.

Yeah, I'm big into "Hope" and "Change" as well...

;) lol

re: #212 Noam Chumpski

They're still out there eating "the People's" food and pretty much doing nothing.

A great, close friend of mine (who happens to be an Obama voting and failrly reasonable moonbat) recently returned from his Peace Corp stint in Mauritania. He was so disgusted with the organization, it activities, and its "activists" (his words) that he actually setup a meeting with the President of the Peace Corp while he was in Washington.

Somewhere in that meeting he actually told Senor President that he should be ashamed and that the whole thing should be shut down as it does more damage than good and is really just one gigantic "day care for over-privileged under-achievers."

My friend is what one would refer to as a "True Liberal." He's not into doing something just so you can you did it, if in fact you did nothing at all.

...but, yeah - other than him, it's the same as always.

Too bad to hear. That's the image that the underpriveladged will get of Americans and American youth.

re: #215 Occasional Reader

But more seriously... I had a scaled-down version of your experience back in '92 or thereabouts, when I was living in NYC. ..

Not quite as dramatic as your example, but a similar feel to it.

No, actually, your experience seems very similar to mine! The same kind of cluebat, for the same kind of unselfaware cognitive dissonance.

The only difference seems to be that your moonbat unfortunately didn't experience the life-changing epiphany that mine did. But maybe, later, your words really sank in, and now she's a lieutenant in the Air Force.

re: #218 zombie

No, actually, your experience seems very similar to mine! The same kind of cluebat, for the same kind of unselfaware cognitive dissonance.

The only difference seems to be that your moonbat unfortunately didn't experience the life-changing epiphany that mine did. But maybe, later, your words really sank in, and now she's a lieutenant in the Air Force.

I'd say that somewhere in life she had quite a radical sea-change of thinking.

re: #174 Sharmuta

Yes- but who is in charge of deleting diaries? Can the author of the diary delete it? Or is it only admins of kos who can delete a diary?

Who is cleaning house over there?

Good question. I had always assumed it was either the author or the administrator (His Royal Kosship).

re: #8 zombie

Great post, zombie....ding, ding, ding!

It' scary that logic never enters the simple liberal mind.

re: #218 zombie

No, actually, your experience seems very similar to mine! The same kind of cluebat, for the same kind of unselfaware cognitive dissonance.

The only difference seems to be that your moonbat unfortunately didn't experience the life-changing epiphany that mine did. But maybe, later, your words really sank in, and now she's a lieutenant in the Air Force.

Oh.. i didn't read close enough. You were postulating. (:

re: #218 zombie

But maybe, later, your words really sank in, and now she's a lieutenant in the Air Force.

Heh. I'll visualize her as a pilot in a Strike Eagle, uttering that immortal line "you've just been killed by a girl" after dropping ordnance on some Taliban.

(I doubt it turned out that way, but hey, who knows)

re: #218 zombie

The same kind of cluebat, for the same kind of unselfaware cognitive dissonance.

I also note that when they're talking about Latin America and the Caribbean, "development" lefties routinely use the definition of "indigenous" to include black people. No apparent sense of self-contradiction.

re: #192 turn

Ha, maybe the FBI can get Glen Reynolds to prosecute him.

Glenn had a great piece of snark about him, when the story broke. "University of Tennessee-Knoxville? Should have studied more." Ouchies.

re: #8 zombie

Zombie - I would love to take you with me to the parties thrown in my neighborhood.

Fabulous response. Just fabulous.

re: #26 zombie

Interestingly, you'd think that after our conversation, Miss Development would have hated me -- but several hours later, toward the end of the party, she appeared to be elated, and acted very friendly toward me, because I seem to have given her a new lease on life. It was like I had freed her from intellectual bondage. Weird.

You did. 4-8 years of crap left-wing indoctrination unraveled by one spot-on realistic comment from Zombie university.

That deserves a heartyHeh.

Cockroaches/light.

Getting caught is a bitch, ain't it?

re: #6 Ben Hur

Many types of Holes over there.

some have stuff going in and some have stuff going out SSDhole

re: #8 zombie

News report: The stealth submarine USS Zombie reported that it engaged in a covert action with a Moonbat transport that was on its maiden voyage. The report that was received was "saw ship sank same". The submarine fired a salvo of three torpedoes, all of which hit the target dead amidships, breaking the spine of the Moonbat and sending her to the bottom. Well done, USS Zombie!

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

Earlier today I raised the possibility, which I will here raise again:

Is the Kos site actually intended as a "farm system" for astroturfing? Was it founded and financed for that purpose?

Unlike this site, Kos has attempted for some time to be a Democratic power-broker site. It has attracted "diaries" from name Democrat politicians; inviting the participants to respond has given the site's visitors the illusion that they are Connected.

Yet, the site also permits the posting of diaries which are grotesque in their antisemitism and in their other over-the-top sentiments. In other words, the site stands like a hideous parody of the Colossus of Rhodes, with one foot in a fetid swamp of hatred and the other in the camp of the Democratic Party.

This means that the site is made to order for placing rumors and dirty-tricks videos among the most unhinged participants on the Internet, who are primed to take the most outre mutterings as gospel and spam them far and wide.

It would be interesting indeed to learn whether or not Kos--who, if memory serves, had a small "consulting" scandal to deal with an election or two ago--is actually a paid shill whose task is to create a launching pad for the filthiest of scurrilous rumors.

I'm thinking KOS is more the 'wind' - jump off the cliff with this "cloth" and see if it will hold you up long enough to get some land legs.

Grandpa Wong says:

"Where there's sh*t, there's flies."

So, just what we need - our country being ran by the candidate of...

GUTLESS F'ING COWARDS.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The left DOES NOT have a copyright on OUTRAGE.

-WFH

I submitted the Jawa report to Drudge. I hope he will give it some exposure then the mainstream media will have to pay attention to it.

Be safe and well.

dirty filthy left wing cowardly kos f*ckface:

[Link: geekesque.dailykos.com...]

re: #8 zombie

Brilliant! I would buy you a beer online, but I'm afraid I can only give you an internet cookie.

Not to worry about the Kos Kids, Biden is a double-agent!