I have a concern about dinging spinoff links

Someone should go fetch this guy. Fast.

Someone---actually it's rarely me---posts a link about someone we hate, or something that we dislike. It may be a good link to something even outrageous, but it gets dinged down. The dinging down is really a way of booing. But the person posting may have done right. Kind of a conundrum.

Never read LotF

Only one real issue in the $700b bailout, and that's the way treasury decides how much to pay for assets.

And of course, it needs to all be completely public.

“This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups come to fetch us we’ll have fun.”

— William Golding, Lord of the Flies

"This is our island. It is populated by buffoonish Russian spies and people in gorilla suits. Until we get cancelled, let's have some fun."

-- Bob Denver, Gilligan's Island

I already said good night on one of the earlier threads, but I dropped in again so I could drop off a bit of night music.

Good night again.

Honestly I can't say whether the 700B is justified or not in terms of whether it benefits those of us who didn't get into financial trouble. Our economy is so interconnected that it might be unavoidable. I wish we could have some serious analysis of the pros/cons but I can't find it anywhere.

I saw Club Spongebob and the magic conch. That's enough for me.

If Democrats are so opposed to "guilt by association", then I have two suggestions:

1) Stop sending hate mail to news anchor Cindy Michaels just because she looks like Sarah Palin.

2) Resume drinking your Chilean organic wine, Palin Syrah, and don't worry about the name.

Those two steps will go a long way towards proving you mean what you say about the horrors of "guilt by association".

Bill Bruford, drums;
Jeff Berlin, bass;
Charles 'Icarus' Johnson, guitar
- Musician's Institute, Hollywood 1981 half minute sound sample. This is from a torrent on the dimeadozen site.

:^)

I thought it was Gilligan's Island....

I saw a report about Gulf Islands National Seashore in Mississippi and the Chandeleur Islands (Breton NWR) in LA, earlier today, which described damage by Hurricane Ike, compounding damage by Katrina. Couldn't find it when i wanted to go back to it...Anyone else see it?

[Link: earthobservatory.nasa.gov...]

[Link: www.fws.gov...]

re: #11 Abu Al-Poopypants

Aw, it says "Forbidden -- no access." That is a super-rare clip! Any way of uploading it elsewhere?

re: #11 Abu Al-Poopypants

Won't let me in?

re: #8 EIDE_Interface

Honestly I can't say whether the 700B is justified or not in terms of whether it benefits those of us who didn't get into financial trouble. Our economy is so interconnected that it might be unavoidable. I wish we could have some serious analysis of the pros/cons but I can't find it anywhere.

The cons are bank accounts zeroed, the entire banking system collapses, people might not accept those little pieces of paper with presidents on them and give you something to eat.

Damn, sorry.

Let me see if I can put it up somewhere else.

re: #16 itellu3times

The cons are bank accounts zeroed, the entire banking system collapses, people might not accept those little pieces of paper with presidents on them and give you something to eat.

I want a lot of government officials and CEOs put into prison as the price of this bailout.

re: #19 EIDE_Interface

I want a lot of government officials and CEOs put into prison as the price of this bailout.

I want them stripped of assets first. Of course, start that, and they all run for the border.

If they haven't already.

re: #20 itellu3times

I want them stripped of assets first. Of course, start that, and they all run for the border.

If they haven't already.

But at the same time, people who signed for loans they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out. Let them suffer.

Just had the honor of registering earlier today after months of lurking. Hope I can keep up the lofty standards of you all.

re: #22 Joe Six Pack

Just had the honor of registering earlier today after months of lurking. Hope I can keep up the lofty standards of you all.

Welcome! We're mostly friendly here.

On the plus side, the Red Sox are going to the postseason again. Just a matter of how Tampa finishes up to see who gets the Wild Card and who gets the AL East title.

When are they going to blow up Yankee stadium?

re: #21 EIDE_Interface

But at the same time, people who signed for loans they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out. Let them suffer.

But if they can actually afford the loan, what's the point of applying for it?

/catch-22

re: #25 victor_yugo

But if they can actually afford the loan, what's the point of applying for it?

/catch-22

Huh? I'm paying my loan back for 2.5 years now because I can afford it. Of course I did 20% down and prime rate.

re: #23 EIDE_Interface

Welcome! We're mostly friendly here.

Thanks! I tend to keep my pearls of wisdom gravitating towards being in agreement most of you, since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

re: #27 Joe Six Pack

Thanks! I tend to keep my pearls of wisdom gravitating towards being in agreement most of you, since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

I'm not one for agreement for it's own sake. It's great if we arrive there, but free thought is king for me. Not for all though, not going to speak for everyone here.

re: #27 Joe Six Pack

Thanks! I tend to keep my pearls of wisdom gravitating towards being in agreement most of you, since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

Crap, in agreement WITH. PIMF'ing so early....

re: #27 Joe Six Pack

. . . since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

That's 'cause of the big mound of . . . stuff to our left.

re: #28 EIDE_Interface

I'm not one for agreement for it's own sake. It's great if we arrive there, but free thought is king for me. Not for all though, not going to speak for everyone here.

Agreed. I only meant that I fit in here mucho better than DailyKooks, etc.

OK,

Let's try that again:
Bill Bruford, drums;
Jeff Berlin, bass;
Charles 'Icarus' Johnson, guitar
- Musician's Institute, Hollywood 1981
half minute sound sample. This is from a torrent on the dimeadozen site. It's an excerpt from the Bruford tune "Fainting In Coils".

re: #26 EIDE_Interface

Huh? I'm paying my loan back for 2.5 years now because I can afford it. Of course I did 20% down and prime rate.

But how could you have known, 2.5 years ago, that you would still have your job (or whatever source of income you have)? How could you have known that you wouldn't be knocked down by some not-so-minor surgery or chronic/genetic illness that would interfere with your earning ability? Yes, it happens; a guy I used to work with is about 1mm away from losing his house because of hernia surgery.

The only way to know, when you're applying for a loan, that you can afford it, is to have that much in the bank already.

re: #30 least

That's 'cause of the big mound of . . . stuff to our left.

I have a litter box for that stuff, although the cats seem to think I work for them. Go figure.

re: #33 victor_yugo

But how could you have known, 2.5 years ago, that you would still have your job (or whatever source of income you have)? How could you have known that you wouldn't be knocked down by some not-so-minor surgery or chronic/genetic illness that would interfere with your earning ability? Yes, it happens; a guy I used to work with is about 1mm away from losing his house because of hernia surgery.

The only way to know, when you're applying for a loan, that you can afford it, is to have that much in the bank already.

Agreed, income is king. Well, having unlimited cash is really king. But are you saying that anyone who can't pay cash for a house shouldn't get a loan?

re: #35 EIDE_Interface

Agreed, income is king. Well, having unlimited cash is really king. But are you saying that anyone who can't pay cash for a house shouldn't get a loan?

No, just saying your #21 is wanting for reality.

wow, just got in(west coast) and my head is spinning with all the news.....Obama leads by nine according to Washington Post, I know not reliable,FBI to investigate Freddie, Fannie and AIG, good I guess,And dinner jacket speaks to UN,worthless piece of shit! Sorry too much for me!What's the World coming to?

re: #36 victor_yugo

No, just saying your #21 is wanting for reality.

I'm talking about people who signed up for interest-only loans, subprime loans. Not people like myself who if they kept their jobs could be counted on to reliably make the payments because they remain FIXED.

re: #37 nigella

wow, just got in(west coast) and my head is spinning with all the news.....Obama leads by nine according to Washington Post, I know not reliable,FBI to investigate Freddie, Fannie and AIG, good I guess,And dinner jacket speaks to UN,worthless piece of shit! Sorry too much for me!What's the World coming to?

Don't trust the WaPost for anything. They are a totally anti-GOP rag. Gallup has Obama +3. That's 2 points McCain has gained in 2 days. Keep the faith!

Good morning night shift.

Thanks EIDE, just can't for the life of me understand how Obama, could even be running let alone be ahead.Have Americans gone this batty?

re: #32 Abu Al-Poopypants

uh . . . er . . . ahhh . . . well . . . is there a story behind that cacaphony?
I know those guys know how to play for reals.

Some folks however . . .

re: #41 nigella

Thanks EIDE, just can't for the life of me understand how Obama, could even be running let alone be ahead.Have Americans gone this batty?

Democrats always have the advantage in down-times because they pander more then the GOP. Plus the GOP brand is severely damaged from years of corruption and Bush's persona.

Guy at work comes up to me and says "I can't wait until the debate with this Sarah Palin, she can see Russia from her house, ha ha." Here in MA it's a sickeningly blue state. So I told him how Biden thinks that Roosevelt was President and on TV in 1929, and how Obambi thinks that breathalyzers treat asthma, ha ha.

re: #44 Abu Al-Poopypants

Guy at work comes up to me and says "I can't wait until the debate with this Sarah Palin, she can see Russia from her house, ha ha." Here in MA it's a sickeningly blue state. So I told him how Biden thinks that Roosevelt was President and on TV in 1929, and how Obambi thinks that breathalyzers treat asthma, ha ha.

I bet you got a blank stare...

re: #39 EIDE_Interface

Don't trust the WaPost for anything. They are a totally anti-GOP rag. Gallup has Obama +3. That's 2 points McCain has gained in 2 days. Keep the faith!

Don't buy that bullshit. Gallup/USA Today is worthless also. They all oversample- Ask more dimocrat likely voters than republicans, supposedly because there are more dimocrats. If Nobama is plus three in their rigged polls, he's most likely down 10-12 points.

Piggy's got the ass-mar.

re: #41 nigella
Everytime I ask myself that, I remember Clinton got elected twice.
On a related note, what's the state count for voter fraud alert today?

Hiya Joe 6 from another lurker turned hatchling. :)

Cacophony!?

Granted it's an audience recording, but that tune is from one of the greatest albums of all time IMO, "One of a Kind" by Bruford.

EIDE, I know, but the stakes are so high this time and I fear for what will happen if Obama manages to pull this out.

re: #48 HD Woman

Everytime I ask myself that, I remember Clinton got elected twice.
On a related note, what's the state count for voter fraud alert today?

Hiya Joe 6 from another lurker turned hatchling. :)

First off you have to look at Clinton's wins in context. In 1992 we were in a recession, Bush had broken his "no new taxes" and seemed totally out of touch. In 1996 times were good and the incumbent wins, so no surprise. Honestly, Bob Dole was no prize.

re: #50 nigella

EIDE, I know, but the stakes are so high this time and I fear for what will happen if Obama manages to pull this out.

Just don't say that around Sharmuta, she'll call you a moby.

re: #46 Joe Six Pack

Don't buy that bullshit. Gallup/USA Today is worthless also. They all oversample- Ask more dimocrat likely voters than republicans, supposedly because there are more dimocrats. If Nobama is plus three in their rigged polls, he's most likely down 10-12 points.

I wouldn't be that optimistic. I'd like to think that the "Bradley effect" means McCain actually leads in the overall race.

re: #50 nigella

EIDE, I know, but the stakes are so high this time and I fear for what will happen if Obama manages to pull this out.

If Obama wins, we can always move to Kenya and live with George...

re: #47 stuiec

Piggy's got the ass-mar.

Ha, it took me a while. I read that book 35 years ago.

re: #51 EIDE_Interface

First off you have to look at Clinton's wins in context. In 1992 we were in a recession, Bush had broken his "no new taxes" and seemed totally out of touch. In 1996 times were good and the incumbent wins, so no surprise. Honestly, Bob Dole was no prize.

And Ross Perot. Without that douchebag, in 1992 Clinton loses.

re: #54 saltmarsh

If Obama wins, we can always move to Kenya and live with George...

I wonder by now, who hasn't been thrown under the bus by Obama? That guy will sacrifice anyone to win...

Sorry, for the downer, I think when it comes down to it the American people will do the right thing and send Obama back where he came from.Yeah, I know he's a Senator, but he hasn't spent much time there since he was elected as he has been running for President nearly the entire time.

re: #56 Joe Six Pack

And Ross Perot. Without that douchebag, in 1992 Clinton loses.

Actually other polls suggested otherwise. But the single biggest factor right now is the damaged GOP brand. Years of corruption and Bush's inept persona.

re: #51 EIDE_Interface

Not to mention that in 1992 Ross Perot played spoiler by picking up 18% of the vote. Even in 1996 Clinton failed to break 50%.

re: #16 itellu3times

The cons are bank accounts zeroed, the entire banking system collapses, people might not accept those little pieces of paper with presidents on them and give you something to eat.

The first depression 1929,
nearly 65 percent of the American population lived or worked with agriculture.
Farm production- They produced their own food- milk, eggs, bacon etc. In other words when the Depression hit most people didn't starve.
Now, maybe 10 percent work on farms or produce food products.
If we allow this stock market to fail, and I know a lot of people are pissed and think it should fail, or even be allowed to go into depression.
America and the world will have millions of people that will starve.
Just like what happened in Indonesia's economy a few years ago people will be fighting for food. People in the city's will be going into the rural areas to forage or even steal food.
I know some of you have guns and ammunition, but you could never stop the millions of hungry and desperate people coming into your homes.

It would be much better to spend even a trillion dollars or more to fix this mess. Depression would be a disaster.

Why does corruption "damage the GOP brand" when far more than half of the corruption is with the donks?

The DNC-Media Complex owns and runs at least 3/4 of everything, that's why.

re: #53 EIDE_Interface

I wouldn't be that optimistic. I'd like to think that the "Bradley effect" means McCain actually leads in the overall race.

Sorry to disagree, but I'd consider it the "Palin Effect". McCain's lead is much higher that the MSM wants us to believe. Who the hell believes them when they're obviously not trustworthy and in the tank for Nobama?

re: #59 EIDE_Interface

Actually other polls suggested otherwise. But the single biggest factor right now is the damaged GOP brand. Years of corruption and Bush's inept persona.

HUH? You're way off base, dude. What polls do you read?

re: #62 Abu Al-Poopypants

Why does corruption "damage the GOP brand" when far more than half of the corruption is with the donks?

The DNC-Media Complex owns and runs at least 3/4 of everything, that's why.

Because Republicans have to be squeaky clean due to the fact of the MSM not willing to cover Democrat scandals. If they covered each equally, then the corruption would cancel out and the election could be strictly on the issues. How much media time was devoted to Mark Foley out of all proportion? Or Larry Craig? Why the MSM is not telling us about Franklin Raines? It's because the media is just an appendage of the Democrat party.

re: #61 ibmkeyboard

In a related vein:

A moonbat colleague of mine fears any effect Obama has on the election, whether he wins or loses. Either way, the possibility of violence looms with dread.

I broached the topic with him tonight: Is he (my colleague) ready for what may happen if The Fascist Tool Barack Obama loses? It isn't likely in our little town, but the future is an unknown until it becomes the present.

His reply: Woe to anyone who dares intrude upon his domicile.

Given his security guard experience, I don't doubt him one bit.

No kidding. Larry Craig is a household name for playing rock/paper/scissors in the shithouse. 90% of people could not tell you who William Jefferson is.

Oh yes.. Perot... I remember thinking he was a funny little man. Turned out not to be that funny afterall.

There was an article I read earlier today and I saved a paragraph to forward to a wayward relative.

So the economic argument may focus on something voters do understand—taxes. Here, Barack Obama can argue that he represents change. He wants higher taxes on high earners and promises "tax cuts" to 95 percent of taxpayers. Actually, they're refundable tax credits,
which means cash payments to the 40 percent or so of households who don't pay income tax. But those refundable tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, so his proposal amounts to, as my American Enterprise Institute colleagues Alex Brill and Alan Viard have written, "marginal rate hikes in disguise" on those with incomes as low as $27,000

It really set him back.

re: #66 victor_yugo

Lock and load.

re: #65 EIDE_Interface

Um, I think Abu Al-Poopypants was agreeing with you, or at least supporting your point.

re: #67 Abu Al-Poopypants

No kidding. Larry Craig is a household name for playing rock/paper/scissors in the shithouse. 90% of people could not tell you who William Jefferson is.

Yeah that's proof enough. Sure the media will claim it covered every single Democrat scandal. But they covered each GOP scandal 50x more coverage. Those who would point this little fact out aren't invited to talk to Katie Couric about it.

re: #70 victor_yugo

Um, I think Abu Al-Poopypants was agreeing with you, or at least supporting your point.

I'm just fleshing out my argument.

re: #65 EIDE_Interface

When 70% of Americans believe the main stream media is actually hoping for and helping Nobama to win, this so-called "help" will be a hindrance in November.

Please, please PLEASE let Joe Six Pack be right. (I don't have any confidence that it's the case, though)

re: #55 Abu Al-Poopypants

Ha, it took me a while. I read that book 35 years ago.

Worth a re-read. William Golding was asked to comment on the James Bulger murder in England (James was a 2-year-old led off by a couple of ten-year-olds, who beat him to death with a brick). He observed at the time that Britain was becoming a lot like the island of his novel.

The original film version was made with an all-amateur cast and is still very powerful.

re: #73 Joe Six Pack

When 70% of Americans believe the main stream media is actually hoping for and helping Nobama to win, this so-called "help" will be a hindrance in November.

Yeah but people have been known to selectively turn off their brains. I do know that newspaper subscriptions are way down, so is MSM viewership. SO there is hope. More people then ever are on the blogs.

re: #69 EIDE_Interface

Lock and load.

Not quite, as his security guard tenure prohibited him from carrying a firearm. Then again, he did learn how to use just about anything within arm's reach as either a weapon or as body armor.

Quote: "Let the hijackers [on Flight 93] come at me. Their knives won't reach me through the seat cushion [that I'm holding]."

Yeah, he's a moonbat, but he has direct experience with hand-to-hand combat, and he appreciates the duties of a soldier.

re: #74 Abu Al-Poopypants

What am I wrong about?

re: #76 EIDE_Interface

More people then ever are on the blogs.

KOS, Huffpo, etc., unfortunately.

re: #69 EIDE_Interface

Lock and load.

ha.
And some people get pissed just because they get laid off.

Corporate India is in shock after a mob of workers bludgeoned to death the chief executive who sacked them from a factory in a suburb of Delhi.
Lalit Kishore Choudhary, 47, the head of the Indian operations of Graziano Transmissions, a manufacturer of car parts that has its headquarters in Italy, died of severe head wounds on Monday after being attacked by scores of laid-off employees, police said. The incident, in Greater Noida, followed a long-running dispute between the factory’s management and workers demanding better pay and permanent contracts.

re: #62 Abu Al-Poopypants

Heck! You took the best answer already.
It might be because the GOP know shame and don't whitewash each other'e laundrey, they hold reps to account, so one little gaffe and they're asked to step down. It stays a scandal. Trent Lott is an example.

Dem's rally round and make all kind of excuses why it's ok. Barney frank and William Jefferson are a couple of examples.

For now I'm waiting for the debate. No point in speculating about anything until then.

re: #78 Joe Six Pack

What am I wrong about?

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

re: #79 Abu Al-Poopypants

KOS, Huffpo, etc., unfortunately.

There are more on center-right blogs, which are greater in number. Conservatives/libertarians are more individualistic by nature so we don't congregate to massive blogs like Daily Kos. We like to experience variety of thought, so we visit many different blogs while KosKidz basically spend the whole day on that one blog.

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

That's what I mentioned a few days ago in here. Most people can't be bothered to fact-check, do the online research themselves. I don't know how we can survive as a nation without that.

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated.

HA!

I resent manipulation, on a very personal level. Jesse Jackson tried that with the crowd I was in during his '88 campaign... it worked with most of them, but I knew at the time something didn't jibe.

Thank you, Jesse Jackson, for making me a conservative.

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants
You are right on that, I emailed the unedited transcript to everyone I know and got 3 "shocked, stunned, etc" responses

re: #84 EIDE_Interface

There are more on center-right blogs, which are greater in number. Conservatives/libertarians are more individualistic by nature so we don't congregate to massive blogs like Daily Kos. We like to experience variety of thought, so we visit many different blogs while KosKidz basically spend the whole day on that one blog.

KosKidz- When do they eat or sleep-
or more important,
WORK?

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

And tonight there will be the Katie Couric face-off with Sarah Palin!

People don't pay attention.
I was watching the Palin interview and I could tell that her answers kept beginning and ending in mid-sentence because they were chopping up the tape, and this was as the show was airing -- the transcript wasn't available yet. I thought it was obvious. I think we're doomed to Carter II or McGovern I. ACK@!

This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups come to fetch us we’ll have fun

Life under Obama.

For all you Large Hadron Collider fans, something to keep it all in perspective:

LINK

re: #91 rancher

This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups reality comes to fetch us we’ll have fun

FIXED.

re: #88 ibmkeyboard

I think some of the kos kids work for ethan winner & ass.

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

You fail to realize that the vast majority of those who wasted their time and watched that crap were in fact NOT conservatives, regardless of what they told you. I've never met one conservative who takes what the MSM as the truth.
Liberals are like children; they'll believe whatever they're told by their masters, due to their ignorance...

From the CBS News blog.

September 22, 2008, 7:30 PM
What Would You Ask Sarah Palin?
Posted by Katie Couric

Right now I'm preparing to interview Gov. Sarah Palin, and I'm really excited about this chance to sit down with a woman who has stirred things up in the third act of a very eventful election year.

Palin elicits some strong responses from women all across the political spectrum. Her reliability factor, or that "she feels my pain" quotient, was through the roof after the Republican convention. It hovered at 60 percent in a CBS News poll, higher than any of the three men in the race. But women don't necessarily share her views on social issues.

While 67 percent of women agree with her that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools, just 17 percent share her view on abortion, that it should only be legal in cases where the mother's life is at risk. The majority of women think there should be exceptions that allow abortions in cases of rape or incest.

Palin has been topic A for all of my friends, and I'm sure she is for you, as well. Would a Palin vice presidency be good for women? Is she experienced enough to be a heartbeat away from the presidency? Are her views too right of center? Will women who supported Sen. Hillary Clinton now back a McCain-Palin ticket? To many Democrats, that seems unlikely given how little the two women have in common politically. But some women were impressed by Hillary’s grit and determination and Sarah Palin’s tough talk on the stump may be striking a chord with them as well.

That said, a new poll from "Lifetime" found that neither Obama nor McCain have solidified a majority of women voters, and about 7 percent remain undecided. These women will be key to a November victory.

So all of this is a long way of telling you some of the things in my head right now as I am getting ready for the interview. Friends come up to me wondering if I'll ask about the rumors online, all the gossipy stuff that seems to sell magazines and mean so little in terms of Palin's preparedness for the job.

This election is too important, and we have only a few precious weeks left to get to know who these candidates really are. With 7 percent of women undecided, I want to serve the sisterhood (and the brotherhood, too, btw) by helping all of us make informed choices.

When I interview Gov. Palin, you won't hear "gotcha" questions about personal issues. You will hear a broad range of policy questions on topics both foreign and domestic. I hope you’ll walk away with a better sense of who this woman is politically, what she believes, and where she sees our country heading if Sen. McCain wins the election.

So many people are focused on this election. I’m a little concerned that I’m dreaming about it. I think I need to get a hobby. But this is a very critical time for all of us and for the entire country. I’d love to hear your thoughts … I won’t be able to get to everything, but believe me, I’ll try!

re: #92 victor_yugo

For all you Large Hadron Collider fans, something to keep it all in perspective:

LINK

Cool LHC Live streaming web-cam

re: #95 Joe Six Pack

I don't fail to realize it... they just aren't conservatives. There are at most 1/3 conservatives, but I think almost half fall into the liberal camp.

That's about the only way I'd watch couric... I'll be looking forward to the complete transcript.

re: #96 stuiec

Has Katie ever asked if a Democrat's views were too left of center? Does she really imagine in her wildest dreams that she, or anyone she deals with knows where center is anymore?

re: #50 nigella
The fix was in from the time Oblahma gave that speech.

re: #96 stuiec

While 67 percent of women agree with her that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools, just 17 percent share her view on abortion, that it should only be legal in cases where the mother's life is at risk. The majority of women think there should be exceptions that allow abortions in cases of rape or incest.

Charles will enjoy that!
If it is true?

Didn't Dan Rather work for C Bias S?

/

yeah, Katie's "gotcha questions" are going to be all about spinning politics, not personal stuff.

re: #100 OtisMyMan
LMAO They are all the center of their own world, and they see themselves as being in the center. They really don't see themselves as "far-left"

re: #95 Joe Six Pack

You fail to realize that the vast majority of those who wasted their time and watched that crap were in fact NOT conservatives, regardless of what they told you. I've never met one conservative who takes what the MSM as the truth.
Liberals are like children; they'll believe whatever they're told by their masters, due to their ignorance...

PIMF- What the MSM says...

over and out........

re: #100 OtisMyMan

I wonder if she'd ever compare Barack Obama's position on infants who survive abortion (that is, for letting them die rather than giving them medical care) to the percentage of American women who disagree with that position. Or even if anyone's ever surveyed American women about that question.

re: #104 HD Woman

Marx was a moderate, Engels,eh, maybe a little meshugunah.

Today's overnight quote could equally apply Congress.

Kill the bailout.

re: #89 stuiec

And tonight there will be the Katie Couric face-off with Sarah Palin!

Shucks -- it won't air until next week (Sept. 29 & 30).

re: #107 stuiec

He actually was worried more about the mother having to reconsider her decision to abort. Much more inconvenient than being left to die in a utility closet.

re: #108 OtisMyMan

Marx was a moderate, Engels,eh, maybe a little meshugunah.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who was very rarely stable...

re: #48 HD Woman

Everytime I ask myself that, I remember Clinton got elected twice.

Clinton only got elected because of Perot. Both times. If the idiot had been a patriot and not run as a 3rd candidate, we probably wouldn't be in the shape we're in today.

Gotta go now, nite all.

couric is on with mccain right now.

re: #111 OtisMyMan

Oh, yes. Because if you have something called a Born Alive Infants Protection Act, then you're letting the cat out of the bag regarding how such abortions are performed. (My wife is a RN who, years ago, attended at such procedures.) The vast majority of babies born in induced-labor abortions are born alive -- that is, with a heartbeat -- but only a few manage to draw a breath on their own. The others are left to die (though often my wife would swaddle them to keep the cold off them as they passed).

Say, that's an idea -- aren't candidates in the habit of hanging out at workplaces and taking a shot at doing a worker's job, to empathize with how tough it is? Why doesn't Obama go to a clinic and catch a baby or two?

I can't fathom how the black community continues to kill their future! That they don't even acknowledge, even when told that PP was founded on racial "cleansing". How many other countries wage genocide on themselves?

Katie just had a short fluff teaser. couric is such a serious newsperson asking important questions like "What's your favorite move?"

re: #33 victor_yugo

But how could you have known, 2.5 years ago, that you would still have your job (or whatever source of income you have)? How could you have known that you wouldn't be knocked down by some not-so-minor surgery or chronic/genetic illness that would interfere with your earning ability? Yes, it happens; a guy I used to work with is about 1mm away from losing his house because of hernia surgery.

The only way to know, when you're applying for a loan, that you can afford it, is to have that much in the bank already.

You can get insurance that will cover your mortgage payments in the event that you die, or become unable to work for medical reasons.

I'd suggest that the term "affordable loan" means one that you could reasonably expect to repay with your existing income, and without having to make unsustainable sacrifices. In other words, the cost of servicing your debt should be small enough that the balance of your income suffices to live on, and maybe even save a little.

:) The grownups have come to fetch us.

re: #117 HD Woman

I can't fathom how the black community continues to kill their future! That they don't even acknowledge, even when told that PP was founded on racial "cleansing". How many other countries wage genocide on themselves?

Katie just had a short fluff teaser. couric is such a serious newsperson asking important questions like "What's your favorite move?"

Sad but true, the answer is stupidity. Ignorance is what it is...

TV anchor woman angers viewers for looking too much like Sarah Palin.
Some viewers demand that she change the way she looks, others are just mean.

Wonder why this site is at least 5 times slower than any other that I visit.

re: #59 EIDE_Interface

Actually other polls suggested otherwise. But the single biggest factor right now is the damaged GOP brand. Years of corruption and Bush's inept persona.

And you wonder why you get called a moby.

re: #122 Sharmuta

And you wonder why you get called a moby.

because he is?

just a swag on my part..... %-)

re: #122 Sharmuta
Hiya Lady
Ya'll finally got me to look up that term, moby... I kept thinking of it refering to a big ....um uh..

re: #124 HD Woman

It's this guy's fault.

Hey - howdy Sharmuta, Alberta, ... everybody . . .
I just did some searching and discovered the news about miguelito's health. Last I saw he was maybe recovering from a mild stroke.
Do ya'll know much more?

Federico

re: #125 Sharmuta

It's this guy's fault.

kinda loose with the term "guy" aren't you?

he looks a little light to me...... %-)

re: #126 Fearless Fred

Hey - howdy Sharmuta, Alberta, ... everybody . . .
I just did some searching and discovered the news about miguelito's health. Last I saw he was maybe recovering from a mild stroke.
Do ya'll know much more?

Federico

AFAIK, it's been negative contact for weeks, which doesn't portend good things for the home team.

re: #118 Alberta Oil Peon

...and maybe even save a little.

That's just un-American!

re: #128 redc1c4

AFAIK, it's been negative contact for weeks, which doesn't portend good things for the home team.

Hi.

Oh, . . . I see.

Digesting.

re: #127 redc1c4

Yeah- I'm being technical, I suppose.

re: #126 Fearless Fred

What red said, unfortunately.

re: #127 redc1c4

kinda loose with the term "guy" aren't you?

he looks a little light to me...... %-)

Or should I say- "he's a guy.

/white smoke"?

;p

re: #131 Sharmuta

Yeah- I'm being technical, I suppose.

re: #126 Fearless Fred

What red said, unfortunately.

Hi again Shar --

Wow. I really love Miguel. Hmmm, . . .
Looked like realwest was intermittently in touch ... might he know more?

Yeah, saw that when I looked it up. :P It gave me a tinge of insight to self delusion, I enjoyed my personal definition, it made me giggle. This guy - not so much.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Almost time for the redistribution of fruitcup wealth....

w00t! :-)

re: #135 littleoldlady

ON THE DOT!

re: #133 Fearless Fred

I don't think anyone's heard from him.

re: #138 Sharmuta

ON THE DOT!

microdot at that...... enjoy the colors! %-)

re: #135 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

2:00:00, . . .

nice

Sharmuta! :-)

Powerball here I come! ;-)

Fenway! :-)

red! :-)

Fred! :-)

HD Woman! :-)

Who else is here? LGF! :-)

Good Morning Lady! :)

Morning loL.....looks like you've got the precision-timing of the Swiss....without the nasty stolen-by-the-Nazis gold hoarding tendencies.

re: #139 Sharmuta

I don't think anyone's heard from him.

Okay. Gotta climb back in the rack here for now then.
Thanks . . . very sad about the news. Good to see you all though.

laters ..... buenos noches lizards !

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

Gold hoarding doesn't look like such a bad idea at the moment... :-(

/but I DO draw the line at the "nasty stolen-by-the-Nazis gold hoarding"

Bye, Fred.

No. 1 Road Atlas predicted all presidential elections since 1992, proving that it all comes down to names

Call me crazy, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "McCain" might show up more on American maps than "obama".

re: #145 Fearless Fred

Bye Fred- sorry the news isn't better.

re: #141 Fearless Fred

2:00:00, . . .

nice

she uses the rhythm method to stay on time.

/white smoke!

re: #146 littleoldlady

My instincts were right about precious metals going back up, but instead of it happening over the course of two or three weeks, it happened in barely 24 hours. I'm also hearing about how gold a popular wedding gift or dowry in India, and since this is the wedding season, it probably won't go back down dramatically until 2009 (and that was without this Wall Street clusterf*ck).

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

I think it's not so much a good short time investment as a long term insurance policy.

re: #148 Sharmuta
Guess that explains Tancredo.

re: #75 stuiec

Worth a re-read. William Golding was asked to comment on the James Bulger murder in England (James was a 2-year-old led off by a couple of ten-year-olds, who beat him to death with a brick). He observed at the time that Britain was becoming a lot like the island of his novel.

The original film version was made with an all-amateur cast and is still very powerful.

I remember that, Stuie! My whole family was shocked...

Later, I went to see the B/W film, "Lord of the Flies"... it seemed to start slow, but the tempo gradually increased, passed the dead pilot, and was a jungle-death-beat when the climax was reached...

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

re: #154 Karridine

I remember that, Stuie! My whole family was shocked...

Later, I went to see the B/W film, "Lord of the Flies"... it seemed to start slow, but the tempo gradually increased, passed the dead pilot, and was a jungle-death-beat when the climax was reached...

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

those of use with sense *and* guns.

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

Even scarier, those 45 year-olds now have children that are even more disconected from any family ties, humanity, or sanity.

re: #156 HD Woman

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

Even scarier, those 45 year-olds now have children that are even more disconected from any family ties, humanity, or sanity.

but, being small, you need fewer rounds to take them out, unless they are on meth.......

/

Morning lizards...anyone else can't sleep? Luckily there is an old version of the "Lost World" on AMC.

It is amazing to me that Dodd is the face they are putting out as the one protecting us from the no oversight Fannie bailout.

Good Morning Lizard Nation. We are we all awake?

Anyone have any thoughts on my #1 and #3?

re: #157 redc1c4

Yep, I see the difficulties in what we're discussing.

But I've driven a slow motorcycle around a large, flat spot in the middle of suburban buildup, staying just barely ahead of a pack of snarling, hungry castoff mutts and dogs and feral canines... knowing all the while that IF I slipped or the scooter died or I couldn't get back to the entrance... I WAS DEAD!

When you're faced with 11 zombies or 11 hunger-maddened city-dwellers or 11 feral kids after a dirty bomb in the city that used to exist a few miles from your house... the odds are against you, even WITH guns...

re: #159 HD Woman

It is amazing to me that Dodd is the face they are putting out as the one protecting us from the no oversight Fannie bailout.

It is kind of like having Willy Sutton or John Dillinger complaining about lack of bank security.

PETA requests Ben and Jerry substitute human breast milk for cow milk.

http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail.html

Hi ya'll,,Has anyone got 700 billion dollars they can loan me.
I'll pay it back when my hunchback brother straightens up.

re: #165 Oldasdirt

Yeah, I can help. Call 1-800-PAY-BACK and tell them you're willing to play Hankie Banky... they'll send you the cash in unmarked bills, FedEx... :D

#160 opnion

working on it...yourself?

re: #161 Moe Katz
I like most of the links that are put on here. A lot of dings at least show a lot of interest. Up or down, at least the people can rest assured that their mission was accomplished - message received and people thought about the particular message, for a little while at least.

re: #167 YankeeBoy

#160 opnion

working on it...yourself?

Yeah, I just came up wide awake at 3:30 AM. It happens, but I wish that I was sleeping.

re: #168 HD Woman

I like most of the links that are put on here. A lot of dings at least show a lot of interest. Up or down, at least the people can rest assured that their mission was accomplished - message received and people thought about the particular message, for a little while at least.

Sure, you can look at it that way.... :) but people don't like being down-dinged for their links. I basically don't bother posting anything that won't make people happy....

re: #168 HD Woman

Thanks for going upthread and reading my two forlorn posts at the beginning :)

re: #162 Karridine

Yep, I see the difficulties in what we're discussing.

But I've driven a slow motorcycle around a large, flat spot in the middle of suburban buildup, staying just barely ahead of a pack of snarling, hungry castoff mutts and dogs and feral canines... knowing all the while that IF I slipped or the scooter died or I couldn't get back to the entrance... I WAS DEAD!

When you're faced with 11 zombies or 11 hunger-maddened city-dwellers or 11 feral kids after a dirty bomb in the city that used to exist a few miles from your house... the odds are against you, even WITH guns...

ever consider moving?

/location, location, location....... %-)

re: #161 Moe Katz

Anyone have any thoughts on my #1 and #3?

yeah: they're a long way up thread........ %-)

re: #164 jroberson

PETA requests Ben and Jerry substitute human breast milk for cow milk.

http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail .html

tit's gonna make the ice cream taste funny.

You guys watch,the American people want heads to roll over this Fannie/Mac crap.And the dems will go straight for any rep that they can pin this debockal* on.When it should be most,or all of them,and Barny(child molester) Frank who should be put straight into jail.No! Put him under the jail.Every CEO of all of these faild house of cards,should be made to give every dime back.

re: #161 Moe Katz

Anyone have any thoughts on my #1 and #3?

Moe, I concur yr analysis, but unless we get Charles to program an "I LIKE the content for its DEMONSTRATION of a SERIOUS NEGATIVE reality" button, as well as a "This makes me ILL, but I'm glad it got linked here" button, we'll just hafta live with the ambiguity of plus/minus dings and trust in others to get the meaning, gist and drift...

re: #173 redc1c4

yeah: they're a long way up thread........ %-)

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

re: #169 opnion

Yeah, I just came up wide awake at 3:30 AM. It happens, but I wish that I was sleeping.

got a lot of police chopper activity tonight, which is neither normal nor welcome. i want to hit the rack.

the 11B-19D says otherwise.

/compromise: get a beer and wait a skosh %-)

re: #166 Karridine

I've been watching Hank and Ben over on C-Span and they haven't provided one compelling reason why this bailout is necessary.

Bunning was pretty good in his questioning.

The other night the Secret Service shooed a drunken lurker, from the front of Obamas mansion.
THe guy came back & he got arrested. They found a weapon & kevlar vest in the guys car.
Turns out that he is the son of a big Obama supporter.
Wonder if he was just basking in the glow?

re: #176 Karridine

Yeah, there's probably no real solution except perhaps for Charles to remind people not to shoot the messenger if they're not mobies.

#169 opnion

it happens...but there is always a lizard to talk to...and a cute girl that serves breakfast at the diner. Even at these hours.

re: #177 Moe Katz

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

if it'll make ya feel better, i *like* negative stuff. that's mostly because i expect it by nature and it bothers the optimistic twits i despise so much to get it.

win/win

Re: Bailout

Btw, no adequate explanation for bailing out foreign banks either.

re: #177 Moe Katz

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

The down-dings don't necessarily mean 'we're shooting the messenger' as much as they mean 'we hate this message'

re: #180 opnion

The other night the Secret Service shooed a drunken lurker, from the front of Obamas mansion.
THe guy came back & he got arrested. They found a weapon & kevlar vest in the guys car.
Turns out that he is the son of a big Obama supporter.
Wonder if he was just basking in the glow?

how can a man of the people like Obanal afford a mansion when so many (like his brother) are po' but proud?

re: #185 Karridine

The down-dings don't necessarily mean 'we're shooting the messenger' as much as they mean 'we hate this message'

Right, but as you point out, it's impossible to tell which is which a lot of the time.

re: #187 Moe Katz

Yup, sure is. :D

Best thing McCain can do is vote against the bailout.

This way he will cut himself completely from Bush 43 and those waiting for handouts weren't going to vote for him anyway.

re: #182 YankeeBoy

#169 opnion

it happens...but there is always a lizard to talk to...and a cute girl that serves breakfast at the diner. Even at these hours.

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

I mostly just did the ding things when I first got registered, it is my way of acknowledging people that had already given voice to my thoughts. I don't know if I've ever down dinged anyone though... unless it looked like leftwing spam spouting.

re: #190 opnion

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

Or later than you want, in my case.

re: #187 Moe Katz

"A liar can be shown up in a few moments, but a truthful man often takes years to have the truth of his being proved..."

Its a paraphrase, but I take it to remind me that one instance MIGHT indicate nefarious thoughts/deeds, but mostly I look for PATTERNS, Moe... and I give people the benefit of the doubt...

once.

re: #186 redc1c4

how can a man of the people like Obanal afford a mansion when so many (like his brother) are po' but proud?

Hey, Barry & Michelle are still just folks. They are just real RICH folks.
He does want to make government cool again though. That's a groove y'all.

re: #193 Karridine

Its a paraphrase, but I take it to remind me that one instance MIGHT indicate nefarious thoughts/deeds, but mostly I look for PATTERNS, Moe... and I give people the benefit of the doubt...

once.

You mean with respect to trolling/mobyism?

re: #195 Moe Katz

Yep, that too.

re: #192 Moe Katz

Or later than you want, in my case.

I have enjoyed LGF late at night too.Ya know though, I have to get my sleep straightend out.

re: #197 opnion

I have enjoyed LGF late at night too.Ya know though, I have to get my sleep straightend out.

Do you work today?

#190 Opnion

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

Yea...I was a lurker for the longest time.

You mean with respect to trolling/mobyism?

Because if they're trolling, or false-flagging as a moby, they'll reveal themselves.

And humility demands (of ME) that I remind myself that -linguist though I am- there's a flatness here in ASCII-wonderland that leaves a LOT OF COMMUNICATIVE CLUES out of the comments and posts... so we, as a group, can ably dissect a troll or moby when one shows up here...

The FBI looking at Freddie, Fannie, Lehman & AIG. Hmmm, while they're at it take a loooooong look at Dodd & Barney Frank.

There are usually intelligent, rational folks to talk to. Conservatives are definitely ... more worth talking to, in most cases anyway.

re: #161 Moe Katz
Yes, Moe, I have noticed the same thing. I would think that a linked should be dinged based on how valuable or worthwhile the link was, but it seems many are dinging based on whether or not they agree with the sentiment expressed in the link. Don't take it personally, I do think people understand that just because you provided a link that doesn't mean you agree with it. Usually the posters position is obvious from the title or description of the link.

I like this LGF place.It's like an island of sane people,in a sea of fools.

re: #200 Karridine

Because if they're trolling, or false-flagging as a moby, they'll reveal themselves.

And humility demands (of ME) that I remind myself that -linguist though I am- there's a flatness here in ASCII-wonderland that leaves a LOT OF COMMUNICATIVE CLUES out of the comments and posts... so we, as a group, can ably dissect a troll or moby when one shows up here...

Don't you think there are some false positives, though? That it sometimes degenerates into a witchhunt?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is an arrogant Islamopath who has called repeatedly for the destruction of Israel. His statements, backed by the full force of his government, constitute a declaration of war against Israel and its allies. This Government will not idly stand by while the Iranian Government begins preparation for offensive military attacks. We urge the Iranian people to reject the Ahmadinejad/Mullah-ruled government and establish a new constitutional government whose focus is human rights and legitimate self-defense; not Islamist self-aggrandizement.

re: #199 YankeeBoy

#190 Opnion

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

Yea...I was a lurker for the longest time.

I got to look in a thread yesterday. Mandy & Just My View were having a world class smack down.
I had to go to a meeting (Actual work). Anybody know how it ended up?

re: #202 Moe Katz

There are usually intelligent, rational folks to talk to. Conservatives are definitely ... more worth talking to, in most cases anyway.

EGGS Ackley!
Why should I waste time on some attention-deprived adolescent when I can use my life to 'accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative, and don't mess with Mister In-Between'?

re: #177 Moe Katz

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

Yeah- it's very shoot the messenger when I think sometimes people are trying to expose moonbatiness. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Strange really, because if it were a thread instead of a spinoff, it gets dinged up, but people don't utilize the spinoff thread comments to rail against the moonbat- they just ding the lizard exposing it.

re: #203 Spirit93

Yes, when I post something offensive I usually add a title that will distance me from the message, express dismay, etc.

Good morning, Lizards.

#204 oldasdirt

nice to meet you.

re: #211 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess.

re: #205 Moe Katz

Don't you think there are some false positives, though? That it sometimes degenerates into a witchhunt?

I do. So I personally avoid ad hominem attacks on others, and don't go in for troll-bashing (much) but do take this opportunity to state that there've been very FEW false-positives that I've seen here, Moe...

re: #209 Sharmuta

Yeah- it's very shoot the messenger when I think sometimes people are trying to expose moonbatiness. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Strange really, because if it were a thread instead of a spinoff, it gets dinged up, but people don't utilize the spinoff thread comments to rail against the moonbat- they just ding the lizard exposing it.

Give it some thought, Sharmuta, maybe you'll come up with a solution!

re: #211 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good Morning. Wecome to the 'I just couldn't sleep" thread

Good morning LGF.

Larry: Why don't you sit down and talk with Israel?
A-hole: Sucks to your ass-mar.
Larry: Do you really deny the holocaust?
A-hole: Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood.
Larry: Thank you Mr. President.

re: #208 Karridine

EGGS Ackley!
Why should I waste time on some attention-deprived adolescent when I can use my life to 'accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative, and don't mess with Mister In-Between'?

Good song!

re: #218 Moe Katz

You're DATING yourself, Bub! :D

re: #218 Moe Katz

But I MEAN IT, Moe... I sing that song in my heart, on my lips, daily! I will not dwell on the unpleasant things of life! :D

re: #207 opnion
I think just my view was losing, he just couldn't see it.

re: #219 Karridine

You're DATING yourself, Bub! :D

I'm very retro. My adult life has been an exploration of music of previous generations.

Heads up to Barry..

[Link: www.rantburg.com...]

This may explain why Barry denies over and over again he was ever a Muslim.

Just on FNC. A chaplin at the University of Mass. was offering 2 hours of college credit for students that volunteer time, working for Obama.
The Administraton foun out & slapped him down.

re: #223 Luigi

Heads up to Barry..

[Link: www.rantburg.com...]

This may explain why Barry denies over and over again he was ever a Muslim.

I thought it was because it's ok to lie to non-muslims.

{Sharmuta}
{opnion}

I'm sorry that y'all couldn't sleep--that's so frustrating. I'm up early because I'm a teacher, and mu official work day starts at 7:30.

re: #221 HD Woman

I think just my view was losing, he just couldn't see it.

Is JMV a guy? I get the feelig JMV is a female & a foreign national.

re: #222 Moe Katz

That's a MARVELLOUS way to investigate one's roots, Moe! The people who sang it, the social matrix that grew it and the changes it triggered... (ANY song)...

That's not a bad filter through which to view life, or history...

According to promotional brochures, the soon-to-be refurbished building will house the new "Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Service," the "Rangel Conference Center," "a well-furnished office for Charles Rangel" and the "Charles Rangel Library" for his papers and memorabilia. It's kind of like a presidential library, but without a president. In fact, the brochure says Rangel's library will be as important as the Clinton and Carter libraries.
Our money(federal funds)at work.For this crook,NO WAY!

#207 opnion

I know who Mandy is...not so much on "just my view". Mandy is a troll smasher, so I'm asuming she was smashing a troll.

well, one last ost and then bed:
i recently enrolled in a program to finish my college degree. 1st semester in (mumble) years.

1 class is "labor law": do we discuss laws and where to find answers to legal questions?
no. we discuss CA labor history from the Spanish on up. we got an assignment to look up the legal minimum wage on 5 different scenarios, after maybe 30 mikes max of class room "how to" look up stuff. no walk throughs, nada. just the old "swim" sort of training.

w*rk was due NLT 2400 local on the 22nd, and once you turn in an answer, you can't change anything......nor can the instructor accept any other form of submission (email, etc)

having not prepared his students, nor given them the tools, and since some students were having tech issues, on the 23rd his nibs told us we had until the 26th to give our answers.......

i posted the following item:
/begin quoted text
"since we all could use a good laugh about now"

the good news is that we now have until the 26th to turn in the minimum wage questions.
(see announcements)

except, of course, that Blackboard won't let you change anything once you've turned in your answer, and you can't submit answers any other way....

and, best of all, the extension wasn't announced until the 23rd, which, of course, was after the deadline of the 22nd.

your extra credit question is this:
from the facts presented, is this a government w*rk site, or just a regular union j*b? %-)
/end quoted text

bear in mind our instructor is a huge union/immigrants right fan, hence my EC question. i also attached this photo to the file, labeled "all the way to the top fail"......

think he'll get the joke?

(and, for extra credit, how badly will my grade suffer for this temerity? %-)

re: #215 Moe Katz

Give it some thought, Sharmuta, maybe you'll come up with a solution!

That's above my pay grade.

re: #226 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}
{opnion}

I'm sorry that y'all couldn't sleep--that's so frustrating. I'm up early because I'm a teacher, and mu official work day starts at 7:30.

Goddess, thank's for the kind thoughts. I plan to catch up tonight.

re: #228 Karridine

That's a MARVELLOUS way to investigate one's roots, Moe! The people who sang it, the social matrix that grew it and the changes it triggered... (ANY song)...

That's not a bad filter through which to view life, or history...

Oh, yes, it's a lifetime project, endless and vast.

re: #232 Sharmuta

That's above my pay grade.

:)

re: #212 YankeeBoy

#204 oldasdirt

nice to meet you.

Thx.I love this place.

re: #207 opnion

I got to look in a thread yesterday. Mandy & Just My View were having a world class smack down.
I had to go to a meeting (Actual work). Anybody know how it ended up?

my money is on Mandy......

re: #230 YankeeBoy

#207 opnion

I know who Mandy is...not so much on "just my view". Mandy is a troll smasher, so I'm asuming she was smashing a troll.

It was a beat down. As usual in these things lately, over Obama.

re: #205 Moe Katz

Don't you think there are some false positives, though? That it sometimes degenerates into a witchhunt?

everyone is guilty of something...... can you float?

re: #222 Moe Katz

I'm very retro. My adult life has been an exploration of music of previous generations.

Me too! I've become a big fan of the big band era.

Duke Ellington - Anitra's Dance

re: #237 redc1c4

my money is on Mandy......

When I left, she was kicking some serious ass.

re: #224 opnion

Just on FNC. A chaplain in at the University of Mass. was offering 2 hours of college credit for students that volunteer time, working for Obama.
The Administrating found out & slapped him down.

I will not use a broad-brush on religious people in general, as we have many good ones right here at Charles' LGF. But my 10 years of working with volunteers--more than a few the "true-believer"-- has shown me that rules often take a back seat to "doing God's work."

re: #234 Moe Katz

Oh, yes, it's a lifetime project, endless and vast.

There's more interest these days in old-time country music. The blacks weren't the only people making interesting folk music in the early 20th century South, but some kind of inverse racism has marginalized white roots music. Emmylou Harris has talked about that.

re: #240 Spirit93

Me too! I've become a big fan of the big band era.

Duke Ellington - Anitra's Dance

There's just so much to discover. And some of the CD collections of old recordings are getting ridiculously cheap.

re: #240 Spirit93

Me too! I've become a big fan of the big band era.

Duke Ellington - Anitra's Dance

Your not alone. My college student daughter & her friends go Swing Dancing. Big Bands have become very popular again.

re: #241 opnion

When I left, she was kicking some serious ass.

she always does...... %-)

re: #227 opnion

Is JMV a guy? I get the feeling JMV is a female & a foreign national.

I guess being a female, I may be guilty of gender bias.. whoopsy.
I sure thought it was a guy cause of the know it all attitude, but I do recognize what you considered possible effeminate tendencies.

l8r...... gonna hit it so i can see what happens to my latest attempt at college tomorrow.

/likely shoulda spent the tuition on scotch, just like the first time %-)

re: #239 redc1c4

everyone is guilty of something...... can you float?

Yes, I do float. That's why I'm afraid of witchhunts.

re: #242 Timbre

I will not use a broad-brush on religious people in general, as we have many good ones right here at Charles' LGF. But my 10 years of working with volunteers--more than a few the "true-believer"-- has shown me that rules often take a back seat to "doing God's work."

And often they justify their own vision for God's.

AKA "pride."

Godessoftheclassroom...Would you mind if I introduce myself?...and try to spell it correctly?

re: #247 HD Woman

I guess being a female, I may be guilty of gender bias.. whoopsy.
I sure thought it was a guy cause of the know it all attitude, but I do recognize what you considered possible effeminate tendencies.

which won't stop JMV from being male, just that they won't be a guy.

/or maybe JMV is just Fwench?

re: #243 Moe Katz

There's more interest these days in old-time country music. The blacks weren't the only people making interesting folk music in the early 20th century South, but some kind of inverse racism has marginalized white roots music. Emmylou Harris has talked about that.

A lot of Country music sounds very similar to Irish/ Scottish folk music.

re: #252 redc1c4
French is just what I was thinking!

re: #251 YankeeBoy

Godessoftheclassroom...Would you mind if I introduce myself?...and try to spell it correctly?

I would be delighted to make your acquaintance!

I fly with a French guy,and he hates US.Us meaning U.S.

re: #253 opnion

A lot of Country music sounds very similar to Irish/ Scottish folk music.

Sure, they came to Appalachia and settled in their hollers and continued much of what they'd had in the old country. Jazz/blues and radio revolutionized country music by the 1920's, though.

re: #247 HD Woman

I guess being a female, I may be guilty of gender bias.. whoopsy.
I sure thought it was a guy cause of the know it all attitude, but I do recognize what you considered possible effeminate tendencies.

I am curious. There is such a knee jerk rush to defend Obama & I wonder why. Of ,I am just as quick to go the other way.

re: #257 Moe Katz

Sure, they came to Appalachia and settled in their hollers and continued much of what they'd had in the old country. Jazz/blues and radio revolutionized country music by the 1920's, though.

Right, I guess that I was referring to Classic Country.Today , a lot of it is Cross Over.

Breakfast time - pass the breast milk.
BWAHAHAHAHA

re: #253 opnion
I love Eddie Arnold - Make the world go away
& Kitty Wells!

re: #259 opnion

Right, I guess that I was referring to Classic Country.Today , a lot of it is Cross Over.

I don't listen to mainstream country much. Now they've got mainstream bluegrass, too ... it's soulless and formulaic.