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Open | Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:08:33 pm PDT

“This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups come to fetch us we’ll have fun.”

William Golding, Lord of the Flies

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1 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:11:55pm

I have a concern about dinging spinoff links

2 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:13:32pm
3 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:13:41pm

Someone---actually it's rarely me---posts a link about someone we hate, or something that we dislike. It may be a good link to something even outrageous, but it gets dinged down. The dinging down is really a way of booing. But the person posting may have done right. Kind of a conundrum.

4 wiffersnapper  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:14:50pm

Never read LotF

5 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:14:58pm

Only one real issue in the $700b bailout, and that's the way treasury decides how much to pay for assets.

And of course, it needs to all be completely public.

6 zombie  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:15:56pm
“This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups come to fetch us we’ll have fun.”

— William Golding, Lord of the Flies

"This is our island. It is populated by buffoonish Russian spies and people in gorilla suits. Until we get cancelled, let's have some fun."

-- Bob Denver, Gilligan's Island

7 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:16:17pm

I already said good night on one of the earlier threads, but I dropped in again so I could drop off a bit of night music.

Good night again.

8 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:16:39pm

Honestly I can't say whether the 700B is justified or not in terms of whether it benefits those of us who didn't get into financial trouble. Our economy is so interconnected that it might be unavoidable. I wish we could have some serious analysis of the pros/cons but I can't find it anywhere.

9 Danny  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:17:41pm

I saw Club Spongebob and the magic conch. That's enough for me.

10 gmsc  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:19:28pm

If Democrats are so opposed to "guilt by association", then I have two suggestions:

1) Stop sending hate mail to news anchor Cindy Michaels just because she looks like Sarah Palin.

2) Resume drinking your Chilean organic wine, Palin Syrah, and don't worry about the name.

Those two steps will go a long way towards proving you mean what you say about the horrors of "guilt by association".

11 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:19:55pm

Bill Bruford, drums;
Jeff Berlin, bass;
Charles 'Icarus' Johnson, guitar
- Musician's Institute, Hollywood 1981
half minute sound sample. This is from a torrent on the dimeadozen site.

:^)

12 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:20:01pm

I thought it was Gilligan's Island....

13 del  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:20:20pm

I saw a report about Gulf Islands National Seashore in Mississippi and the Chandeleur Islands (Breton NWR) in LA, earlier today, which described damage by Hurricane Ike, compounding damage by Katrina. Couldn't find it when i wanted to go back to it...Anyone else see it?

[Link: earthobservatory.nasa.gov...]

[Link: www.fws.gov...]

14 zombie  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:21:22pm

re: #11 Abu Al-Poopypants

Aw, it says "Forbidden -- no access." That is a super-rare clip! Any way of uploading it elsewhere?

15 Danny  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:21:47pm

re: #11 Abu Al-Poopypants

Won't let me in?

16 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:21:58pm

re: #8 EIDE_Interface

Honestly I can't say whether the 700B is justified or not in terms of whether it benefits those of us who didn't get into financial trouble. Our economy is so interconnected that it might be unavoidable. I wish we could have some serious analysis of the pros/cons but I can't find it anywhere.

The cons are bank accounts zeroed, the entire banking system collapses, people might not accept those little pieces of paper with presidents on them and give you something to eat.

17 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:22:18pm

Damn, sorry.

18 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:22:50pm

Let me see if I can put it up somewhere else.

19 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:22:51pm

re: #16 itellu3times

The cons are bank accounts zeroed, the entire banking system collapses, people might not accept those little pieces of paper with presidents on them and give you something to eat.

I want a lot of government officials and CEOs put into prison as the price of this bailout.

20 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:24:05pm

re: #19 EIDE_Interface

I want a lot of government officials and CEOs put into prison as the price of this bailout.

I want them stripped of assets first. Of course, start that, and they all run for the border.

If they haven't already.

21 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:28:40pm

re: #20 itellu3times

I want them stripped of assets first. Of course, start that, and they all run for the border.

If they haven't already.

But at the same time, people who signed for loans they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out. Let them suffer.

22 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:29:47pm

Just had the honor of registering earlier today after months of lurking. Hope I can keep up the lofty standards of you all.

23 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:30:08pm

re: #22 Joe Six Pack

Just had the honor of registering earlier today after months of lurking. Hope I can keep up the lofty standards of you all.

Welcome! We're mostly friendly here.

24 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:32:12pm

On the plus side, the Red Sox are going to the postseason again. Just a matter of how Tampa finishes up to see who gets the Wild Card and who gets the AL East title.

When are they going to blow up Yankee stadium?

25 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:32:32pm

re: #21 EIDE_Interface

But at the same time, people who signed for loans they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out. Let them suffer.

But if they can actually afford the loan, what's the point of applying for it?

/catch-22

26 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:33:31pm

re: #25 victor_yugo

But if they can actually afford the loan, what's the point of applying for it?

/catch-22

Huh? I'm paying my loan back for 2.5 years now because I can afford it. Of course I did 20% down and prime rate.

27 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:34:19pm

re: #23 EIDE_Interface

Welcome! We're mostly friendly here.

Thanks! I tend to keep my pearls of wisdom gravitating towards being in agreement most of you, since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

28 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:35:11pm

re: #27 Joe Six Pack

Thanks! I tend to keep my pearls of wisdom gravitating towards being in agreement most of you, since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

I'm not one for agreement for it's own sake. It's great if we arrive there, but free thought is king for me. Not for all though, not going to speak for everyone here.

29 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:35:45pm

re: #27 Joe Six Pack

Thanks! I tend to keep my pearls of wisdom gravitating towards being in agreement most of you, since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

Crap, in agreement WITH. PIMF'ing so early....

30 least  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:37:08pm

re: #27 Joe Six Pack

. . . since we all, or rather most of us seem to lean right.

That's 'cause of the big mound of . . . stuff to our left.

31 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:37:31pm

re: #28 EIDE_Interface

I'm not one for agreement for it's own sake. It's great if we arrive there, but free thought is king for me. Not for all though, not going to speak for everyone here.

Agreed. I only meant that I fit in here mucho better than DailyKooks, etc.

32 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:38:01pm

OK,

Let's try that again:
Bill Bruford, drums;
Jeff Berlin, bass;
Charles 'Icarus' Johnson, guitar
- Musician's Institute, Hollywood 1981
half minute sound sample. This is from a torrent on the dimeadozen site. It's an excerpt from the Bruford tune "Fainting In Coils".

33 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:38:45pm

re: #26 EIDE_Interface

Huh? I'm paying my loan back for 2.5 years now because I can afford it. Of course I did 20% down and prime rate.

But how could you have known, 2.5 years ago, that you would still have your job (or whatever source of income you have)? How could you have known that you wouldn't be knocked down by some not-so-minor surgery or chronic/genetic illness that would interfere with your earning ability? Yes, it happens; a guy I used to work with is about 1mm away from losing his house because of hernia surgery.

The only way to know, when you're applying for a loan, that you can afford it, is to have that much in the bank already.

34 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:40:04pm

re: #30 least

That's 'cause of the big mound of . . . stuff to our left.

I have a litter box for that stuff, although the cats seem to think I work for them. Go figure.

35 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:40:21pm

re: #33 victor_yugo

But how could you have known, 2.5 years ago, that you would still have your job (or whatever source of income you have)? How could you have known that you wouldn't be knocked down by some not-so-minor surgery or chronic/genetic illness that would interfere with your earning ability? Yes, it happens; a guy I used to work with is about 1mm away from losing his house because of hernia surgery.

The only way to know, when you're applying for a loan, that you can afford it, is to have that much in the bank already.

Agreed, income is king. Well, having unlimited cash is really king. But are you saying that anyone who can't pay cash for a house shouldn't get a loan?

36 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:44:36pm

re: #35 EIDE_Interface

Agreed, income is king. Well, having unlimited cash is really king. But are you saying that anyone who can't pay cash for a house shouldn't get a loan?

No, just saying your #21 is wanting for reality.

37 nigella  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:45:58pm

wow, just got in(west coast) and my head is spinning with all the news.....Obama leads by nine according to Washington Post, I know not reliable,FBI to investigate Freddie, Fannie and AIG, good I guess,And dinner jacket speaks to UN,worthless piece of shit! Sorry too much for me!What's the World coming to?

38 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:46:12pm

re: #36 victor_yugo

No, just saying your #21 is wanting for reality.

I'm talking about people who signed up for interest-only loans, subprime loans. Not people like myself who if they kept their jobs could be counted on to reliably make the payments because they remain FIXED.

39 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:47:15pm

re: #37 nigella

wow, just got in(west coast) and my head is spinning with all the news.....Obama leads by nine according to Washington Post, I know not reliable,FBI to investigate Freddie, Fannie and AIG, good I guess,And dinner jacket speaks to UN,worthless piece of shit! Sorry too much for me!What's the World coming to?

Don't trust the WaPost for anything. They are a totally anti-GOP rag. Gallup has Obama +3. That's 2 points McCain has gained in 2 days. Keep the faith!

40 HD Woman  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:48:03pm

Good morning night shift.

41 nigella  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:49:05pm

Thanks EIDE, just can't for the life of me understand how Obama, could even be running let alone be ahead.Have Americans gone this batty?

42 least  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:49:54pm

re: #32 Abu Al-Poopypants

uh . . . er . . . ahhh . . . well . . . is there a story behind that cacaphony?
I know those guys know how to play for reals.

Some folks however . . .

43 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:51:02pm

re: #41 nigella

Thanks EIDE, just can't for the life of me understand how Obama, could even be running let alone be ahead.Have Americans gone this batty?

Democrats always have the advantage in down-times because they pander more then the GOP. Plus the GOP brand is severely damaged from years of corruption and Bush's persona.

44 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:51:50pm

Guy at work comes up to me and says "I can't wait until the debate with this Sarah Palin, she can see Russia from her house, ha ha." Here in MA it's a sickeningly blue state. So I told him how Biden thinks that Roosevelt was President and on TV in 1929, and how Obambi thinks that breathalyzers treat asthma, ha ha.

45 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:52:18pm

re: #44 Abu Al-Poopypants

Guy at work comes up to me and says "I can't wait until the debate with this Sarah Palin, she can see Russia from her house, ha ha." Here in MA it's a sickeningly blue state. So I told him how Biden thinks that Roosevelt was President and on TV in 1929, and how Obambi thinks that breathalyzers treat asthma, ha ha.

I bet you got a blank stare...

46 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:52:40pm

re: #39 EIDE_Interface

Don't trust the WaPost for anything. They are a totally anti-GOP rag. Gallup has Obama +3. That's 2 points McCain has gained in 2 days. Keep the faith!

Don't buy that bullshit. Gallup/USA Today is worthless also. They all oversample- Ask more dimocrat likely voters than republicans, supposedly because there are more dimocrats. If Nobama is plus three in their rigged polls, he's most likely down 10-12 points.

47 stuiec  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:52:51pm

Piggy's got the ass-mar.

48 HD Woman  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:52:54pm

re: #41 nigella
Everytime I ask myself that, I remember Clinton got elected twice.
On a related note, what's the state count for voter fraud alert today?

Hiya Joe 6 from another lurker turned hatchling. :)

49 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:53:09pm

Cacophony!?

Granted it's an audience recording, but that tune is from one of the greatest albums of all time IMO, "One of a Kind" by Bruford.

50 nigella  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:54:08pm

EIDE, I know, but the stakes are so high this time and I fear for what will happen if Obama manages to pull this out.

51 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:55:00pm

re: #48 HD Woman

Everytime I ask myself that, I remember Clinton got elected twice.
On a related note, what's the state count for voter fraud alert today?

Hiya Joe 6 from another lurker turned hatchling. :)

First off you have to look at Clinton's wins in context. In 1992 we were in a recession, Bush had broken his "no new taxes" and seemed totally out of touch. In 1996 times were good and the incumbent wins, so no surprise. Honestly, Bob Dole was no prize.

52 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:55:24pm

re: #50 nigella

EIDE, I know, but the stakes are so high this time and I fear for what will happen if Obama manages to pull this out.

Just don't say that around Sharmuta, she'll call you a moby.

53 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:56:24pm

re: #46 Joe Six Pack

Don't buy that bullshit. Gallup/USA Today is worthless also. They all oversample- Ask more dimocrat likely voters than republicans, supposedly because there are more dimocrats. If Nobama is plus three in their rigged polls, he's most likely down 10-12 points.

I wouldn't be that optimistic. I'd like to think that the "Bradley effect" means McCain actually leads in the overall race.

54 saltmarsh  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:56:39pm

re: #50 nigella

EIDE, I know, but the stakes are so high this time and I fear for what will happen if Obama manages to pull this out.

If Obama wins, we can always move to Kenya and live with George...

55 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:56:50pm

re: #47 stuiec

Piggy's got the ass-mar.

Ha, it took me a while. I read that book 35 years ago.

56 Joe Six Pack  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:57:09pm

re: #51 EIDE_Interface

First off you have to look at Clinton's wins in context. In 1992 we were in a recession, Bush had broken his "no new taxes" and seemed totally out of touch. In 1996 times were good and the incumbent wins, so no surprise. Honestly, Bob Dole was no prize.

And Ross Perot. Without that douchebag, in 1992 Clinton loses.

57 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:57:23pm

re: #54 saltmarsh

If Obama wins, we can always move to Kenya and live with George...

I wonder by now, who hasn't been thrown under the bus by Obama? That guy will sacrifice anyone to win...

58 nigella  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:57:55pm

Sorry, for the downer, I think when it comes down to it the American people will do the right thing and send Obama back where he came from.Yeah, I know he's a Senator, but he hasn't spent much time there since he was elected as he has been running for President nearly the entire time.

59 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:58:13pm

re: #56 Joe Six Pack

And Ross Perot. Without that douchebag, in 1992 Clinton loses.

Actually other polls suggested otherwise. But the single biggest factor right now is the damaged GOP brand. Years of corruption and Bush's inept persona.

60 neocon hippie  Tue, Sep 23, 2008 11:58:25pm

re: #51 EIDE_Interface

Not to mention that in 1992 Ross Perot played spoiler by picking up 18% of the vote. Even in 1996 Clinton failed to break 50%.

61 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:00:14am

re: #16 itellu3times

The cons are bank accounts zeroed, the entire banking system collapses, people might not accept those little pieces of paper with presidents on them and give you something to eat.

The first depression 1929,
nearly 65 percent of the American population lived or worked with agriculture.
Farm production- They produced their own food- milk, eggs, bacon etc. In other words when the Depression hit most people didn't starve.
Now, maybe 10 percent work on farms or produce food products.
If we allow this stock market to fail, and I know a lot of people are pissed and think it should fail, or even be allowed to go into depression.
America and the world will have millions of people that will starve.
Just like what happened in Indonesia's economy a few years ago people will be fighting for food. People in the city's will be going into the rural areas to forage or even steal food.
I know some of you have guns and ammunition, but you could never stop the millions of hungry and desperate people coming into your homes.

It would be much better to spend even a trillion dollars or more to fix this mess. Depression would be a disaster.

62 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:00:50am

Why does corruption "damage the GOP brand" when far more than half of the corruption is with the donks?

The DNC-Media Complex owns and runs at least 3/4 of everything, that's why.

63 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:00:59am

re: #53 EIDE_Interface

I wouldn't be that optimistic. I'd like to think that the "Bradley effect" means McCain actually leads in the overall race.

Sorry to disagree, but I'd consider it the "Palin Effect". McCain's lead is much higher that the MSM wants us to believe. Who the hell believes them when they're obviously not trustworthy and in the tank for Nobama?

64 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:02:28am

re: #59 EIDE_Interface

Actually other polls suggested otherwise. But the single biggest factor right now is the damaged GOP brand. Years of corruption and Bush's inept persona.

HUH? You're way off base, dude. What polls do you read?

65 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:04:16am

re: #62 Abu Al-Poopypants

Why does corruption "damage the GOP brand" when far more than half of the corruption is with the donks?

The DNC-Media Complex owns and runs at least 3/4 of everything, that's why.

Because Republicans have to be squeaky clean due to the fact of the MSM not willing to cover Democrat scandals. If they covered each equally, then the corruption would cancel out and the election could be strictly on the issues. How much media time was devoted to Mark Foley out of all proportion? Or Larry Craig? Why the MSM is not telling us about Franklin Raines? It's because the media is just an appendage of the Democrat party.

66 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:08:27am

re: #61 ibmkeyboard

In a related vein:

A moonbat colleague of mine fears any effect Obama has on the election, whether he wins or loses. Either way, the possibility of violence looms with dread.

I broached the topic with him tonight: Is he (my colleague) ready for what may happen if The Fascist Tool Barack Obama loses? It isn't likely in our little town, but the future is an unknown until it becomes the present.

His reply: Woe to anyone who dares intrude upon his domicile.

Given his security guard experience, I don't doubt him one bit.

67 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:09:17am

No kidding. Larry Craig is a household name for playing rock/paper/scissors in the shithouse. 90% of people could not tell you who William Jefferson is.

68 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:09:30am

Oh yes.. Perot... I remember thinking he was a funny little man. Turned out not to be that funny afterall.

There was an article I read earlier today and I saved a paragraph to forward to a wayward relative.

So the economic argument may focus on something voters do understand—taxes. Here, Barack Obama can argue that he represents change. He wants higher taxes on high earners and promises "tax cuts" to 95 percent of taxpayers. Actually, they're refundable tax credits,
which means cash payments to the 40 percent or so of households who don't pay income tax. But those refundable tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, so his proposal amounts to, as my American Enterprise Institute colleagues Alex Brill and Alan Viard have written, "marginal rate hikes in disguise" on those with incomes as low as $27,000

It really set him back.

69 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:09:32am

re: #66 victor_yugo

Lock and load.

70 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:09:38am

re: #65 EIDE_Interface

Um, I think Abu Al-Poopypants was agreeing with you, or at least supporting your point.

71 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:10:32am

re: #67 Abu Al-Poopypants

No kidding. Larry Craig is a household name for playing rock/paper/scissors in the shithouse. 90% of people could not tell you who William Jefferson is.

Yeah that's proof enough. Sure the media will claim it covered every single Democrat scandal. But they covered each GOP scandal 50x more coverage. Those who would point this little fact out aren't invited to talk to Katie Couric about it.

72 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:10:56am

re: #70 victor_yugo

Um, I think Abu Al-Poopypants was agreeing with you, or at least supporting your point.

I'm just fleshing out my argument.

73 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:11:53am

re: #65 EIDE_Interface

When 70% of Americans believe the main stream media is actually hoping for and helping Nobama to win, this so-called "help" will be a hindrance in November.

74 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:13:00am

Please, please PLEASE let Joe Six Pack be right. (I don't have any confidence that it's the case, though)

75 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:14:06am

re: #55 Abu Al-Poopypants

Ha, it took me a while. I read that book 35 years ago.

Worth a re-read. William Golding was asked to comment on the James Bulger murder in England (James was a 2-year-old led off by a couple of ten-year-olds, who beat him to death with a brick). He observed at the time that Britain was becoming a lot like the island of his novel.

The original film version was made with an all-amateur cast and is still very powerful.

76 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:14:08am

re: #73 Joe Six Pack

When 70% of Americans believe the main stream media is actually hoping for and helping Nobama to win, this so-called "help" will be a hindrance in November.

Yeah but people have been known to selectively turn off their brains. I do know that newspaper subscriptions are way down, so is MSM viewership. SO there is hope. More people then ever are on the blogs.

77 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:15:32am

re: #69 EIDE_Interface

Lock and load.

Not quite, as his security guard tenure prohibited him from carrying a firearm. Then again, he did learn how to use just about anything within arm's reach as either a weapon or as body armor.

Quote: "Let the hijackers [on Flight 93] come at me. Their knives won't reach me through the seat cushion [that I'm holding]."

Yeah, he's a moonbat, but he has direct experience with hand-to-hand combat, and he appreciates the duties of a soldier.

78 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:15:38am

re: #74 Abu Al-Poopypants

What am I wrong about?

79 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:15:41am

re: #76 EIDE_Interface

More people then ever are on the blogs.

KOS, Huffpo, etc., unfortunately.

80 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:16:17am

re: #69 EIDE_Interface

Lock and load.

ha.
And some people get pissed just because they get laid off.

Corporate India is in shock after a mob of workers bludgeoned to death the chief executive who sacked them from a factory in a suburb of Delhi.
Lalit Kishore Choudhary, 47, the head of the Indian operations of Graziano Transmissions, a manufacturer of car parts that has its headquarters in Italy, died of severe head wounds on Monday after being attacked by scores of laid-off employees, police said. The incident, in Greater Noida, followed a long-running dispute between the factory’s management and workers demanding better pay and permanent contracts.

81 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:16:21am

re: #62 Abu Al-Poopypants

Heck! You took the best answer already.
It might be because the GOP know shame and don't whitewash each other'e laundrey, they hold reps to account, so one little gaffe and they're asked to step down. It stays a scandal. Trent Lott is an example.

Dem's rally round and make all kind of excuses why it's ok. Barney frank and William Jefferson are a couple of examples.

82 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:16:28am

For now I'm waiting for the debate. No point in speculating about anything until then.

83 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:17:19am

re: #78 Joe Six Pack

What am I wrong about?

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

84 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:17:47am

re: #79 Abu Al-Poopypants

KOS, Huffpo, etc., unfortunately.

There are more on center-right blogs, which are greater in number. Conservatives/libertarians are more individualistic by nature so we don't congregate to massive blogs like Daily Kos. We like to experience variety of thought, so we visit many different blogs while KosKidz basically spend the whole day on that one blog.

85 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:18:30am

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

That's what I mentioned a few days ago in here. Most people can't be bothered to fact-check, do the online research themselves. I don't know how we can survive as a nation without that.

86 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:20:05am

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated.

HA!

I resent manipulation, on a very personal level. Jesse Jackson tried that with the crowd I was in during his '88 campaign... it worked with most of them, but I knew at the time something didn't jibe.

Thank you, Jesse Jackson, for making me a conservative.

87 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:20:21am

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants
You are right on that, I emailed the unedited transcript to everyone I know and got 3 "shocked, stunned, etc" responses

88 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:20:46am

re: #84 EIDE_Interface

There are more on center-right blogs, which are greater in number. Conservatives/libertarians are more individualistic by nature so we don't congregate to massive blogs like Daily Kos. We like to experience variety of thought, so we visit many different blogs while KosKidz basically spend the whole day on that one blog.


KosKidz- When do they eat or sleep-
or more important,
WORK?

89 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:20:54am

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

And tonight there will be the Katie Couric face-off with Sarah Palin!

90 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:21:46am

People don't pay attention.
I was watching the Palin interview and I could tell that her answers kept beginning and ending in mid-sentence because they were chopping up the tape, and this was as the show was airing -- the transcript wasn't available yet. I thought it was obvious. I think we're doomed to Carter II or McGovern I. ACK@!

91 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:22:50am
This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups come to fetch us we’ll have fun

Life under Obama.

92 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:23:18am

For all you Large Hadron Collider fans, something to keep it all in perspective:

LINK

93 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:25:07am

re: #91 rancher

This is our island. It’s a good island. Until the grown-ups reality comes to fetch us we’ll have fun

FIXED.

94 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:25:21am

re: #88 ibmkeyboard

I think some of the kos kids work for ethan winner & ass.

95 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:25:40am

re: #83 Abu Al-Poopypants

I don't think most people even know they're being manipulated. People I talked to, even right-leaning ones, accepted the edited Charlie Gibson/Palin atrocity at face value.

You fail to realize that the vast majority of those who wasted their time and watched that crap were in fact NOT conservatives, regardless of what they told you. I've never met one conservative who takes what the MSM as the truth.
Liberals are like children; they'll believe whatever they're told by their masters, due to their ignorance...

96 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:26:28am

From the CBS News blog.

September 22, 2008, 7:30 PM
What Would You Ask Sarah Palin?
Posted by Katie Couric


Right now I'm preparing to interview Gov. Sarah Palin, and I'm really excited about this chance to sit down with a woman who has stirred things up in the third act of a very eventful election year.

Palin elicits some strong responses from women all across the political spectrum. Her reliability factor, or that "she feels my pain" quotient, was through the roof after the Republican convention. It hovered at 60 percent in a CBS News poll, higher than any of the three men in the race. But women don't necessarily share her views on social issues.

While 67 percent of women agree with her that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools, just 17 percent share her view on abortion, that it should only be legal in cases where the mother's life is at risk. The majority of women think there should be exceptions that allow abortions in cases of rape or incest.

Palin has been topic A for all of my friends, and I'm sure she is for you, as well. Would a Palin vice presidency be good for women? Is she experienced enough to be a heartbeat away from the presidency? Are her views too right of center? Will women who supported Sen. Hillary Clinton now back a McCain-Palin ticket? To many Democrats, that seems unlikely given how little the two women have in common politically. But some women were impressed by Hillary’s grit and determination and Sarah Palin’s tough talk on the stump may be striking a chord with them as well.

That said, a new poll from "Lifetime" found that neither Obama nor McCain have solidified a majority of women voters, and about 7 percent remain undecided. These women will be key to a November victory.

So all of this is a long way of telling you some of the things in my head right now as I am getting ready for the interview. Friends come up to me wondering if I'll ask about the rumors online, all the gossipy stuff that seems to sell magazines and mean so little in terms of Palin's preparedness for the job.

This election is too important, and we have only a few precious weeks left to get to know who these candidates really are. With 7 percent of women undecided, I want to serve the sisterhood (and the brotherhood, too, btw) by helping all of us make informed choices.

When I interview Gov. Palin, you won't hear "gotcha" questions about personal issues. You will hear a broad range of policy questions on topics both foreign and domestic. I hope you’ll walk away with a better sense of who this woman is politically, what she believes, and where she sees our country heading if Sen. McCain wins the election.

So many people are focused on this election. I’m a little concerned that I’m dreaming about it. I think I need to get a hobby. But this is a very critical time for all of us and for the entire country. I’d love to hear your thoughts … I won’t be able to get to everything, but believe me, I’ll try!

97 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:27:20am

re: #92 victor_yugo

For all you Large Hadron Collider fans, something to keep it all in perspective:

LINK

Cool LHC Live streaming web-cam

98 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:29:03am

re: #95 Joe Six Pack

I don't fail to realize it... they just aren't conservatives. There are at most 1/3 conservatives, but I think almost half fall into the liberal camp.

99 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:29:08am

That's about the only way I'd watch couric... I'll be looking forward to the complete transcript.

100 OtisMyMan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:29:56am

re: #96 stuiec

Has Katie ever asked if a Democrat's views were too left of center? Does she really imagine in her wildest dreams that she, or anyone she deals with knows where center is anymore?

101 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:31:04am

re: #50 nigella
The fix was in from the time Oblahma gave that speech.

102 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:31:06am

re: #96 stuiec

While 67 percent of women agree with her that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools, just 17 percent share her view on abortion, that it should only be legal in cases where the mother's life is at risk. The majority of women think there should be exceptions that allow abortions in cases of rape or incest.


Charles will enjoy that!
If it is true?

Didn't Dan Rather work for C Bias S?

/

103 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:31:22am

yeah, Katie's "gotcha questions" are going to be all about spinning politics, not personal stuff.

104 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:31:51am

re: #100 OtisMyMan
LMAO They are all the center of their own world, and they see themselves as being in the center. They really don't see themselves as "far-left"

105 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:32:08am

re: #95 Joe Six Pack

You fail to realize that the vast majority of those who wasted their time and watched that crap were in fact NOT conservatives, regardless of what they told you. I've never met one conservative who takes what the MSM as the truth.
Liberals are like children; they'll believe whatever they're told by their masters, due to their ignorance...

PIMF- What the MSM says...

106 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:32:38am

over and out........

107 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:33:36am

re: #100 OtisMyMan

I wonder if she'd ever compare Barack Obama's position on infants who survive abortion (that is, for letting them die rather than giving them medical care) to the percentage of American women who disagree with that position. Or even if anyone's ever surveyed American women about that question.

108 OtisMyMan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:34:41am

re: #104 HD Woman

Marx was a moderate, Engels,eh, maybe a little meshugunah.

109 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:34:53am

Today's overnight quote could equally apply Congress.

Kill the bailout.

110 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:36:17am

re: #89 stuiec

And tonight there will be the Katie Couric face-off with Sarah Palin!

Shucks -- it won't air until next week (Sept. 29 & 30).

111 OtisMyMan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:37:27am

re: #107 stuiec

He actually was worried more about the mother having to reconsider her decision to abort. Much more inconvenient than being left to die in a utility closet.

112 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:37:41am

re: #108 OtisMyMan

Marx was a moderate, Engels,eh, maybe a little meshugunah.



Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who was very rarely stable...

113 merrytexas  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:39:22am

re: #48 HD Woman

Everytime I ask myself that, I remember Clinton got elected twice.

Clinton only got elected because of Perot. Both times. If the idiot had been a patriot and not run as a 3rd candidate, we probably wouldn't be in the shape we're in today.

114 OtisMyMan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:41:06am

Gotta go now, nite all.

115 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:43:18am

couric is on with mccain right now.

116 stuiec  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:43:38am

re: #111 OtisMyMan

Oh, yes. Because if you have something called a Born Alive Infants Protection Act, then you're letting the cat out of the bag regarding how such abortions are performed. (My wife is a RN who, years ago, attended at such procedures.) The vast majority of babies born in induced-labor abortions are born alive -- that is, with a heartbeat -- but only a few manage to draw a breath on their own. The others are left to die (though often my wife would swaddle them to keep the cold off them as they passed).

Say, that's an idea -- aren't candidates in the habit of hanging out at workplaces and taking a shot at doing a worker's job, to empathize with how tough it is? Why doesn't Obama go to a clinic and catch a baby or two?

117 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:50:56am

I can't fathom how the black community continues to kill their future! That they don't even acknowledge, even when told that PP was founded on racial "cleansing". How many other countries wage genocide on themselves?

Katie just had a short fluff teaser. couric is such a serious newsperson asking important questions like "What's your favorite move?"

118 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 12:51:50am

re: #33 victor_yugo

But how could you have known, 2.5 years ago, that you would still have your job (or whatever source of income you have)? How could you have known that you wouldn't be knocked down by some not-so-minor surgery or chronic/genetic illness that would interfere with your earning ability? Yes, it happens; a guy I used to work with is about 1mm away from losing his house because of hernia surgery.

The only way to know, when you're applying for a loan, that you can afford it, is to have that much in the bank already.

You can get insurance that will cover your mortgage payments in the event that you die, or become unable to work for medical reasons.

I'd suggest that the term "affordable loan" means one that you could reasonably expect to repay with your existing income, and without having to make unsustainable sacrifices. In other words, the cost of servicing your debt should be small enough that the balance of your income suffices to live on, and maybe even save a little.

119 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:01:19am

:) The grownups have come to fetch us.

120 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:01:44am

re: #117 HD Woman

I can't fathom how the black community continues to kill their future! That they don't even acknowledge, even when told that PP was founded on racial "cleansing". How many other countries wage genocide on themselves?

Katie just had a short fluff teaser. couric is such a serious newsperson asking important questions like "What's your favorite move?"

Sad but true, the answer is stupidity. Ignorance is what it is...

121 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:31:27am

TV anchor woman angers viewers for looking too much like Sarah Palin.
Some viewers demand that she change the way she looks, others are just mean.

Wonder why this site is at least 5 times slower than any other that I visit.

122 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:33:14am

re: #59 EIDE_Interface

Actually other polls suggested otherwise. But the single biggest factor right now is the damaged GOP brand. Years of corruption and Bush's inept persona.

And you wonder why you get called a moby.

123 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:37:59am

re: #122 Sharmuta

And you wonder why you get called a moby.

because he is?

just a swag on my part..... %-)

124 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:43:21am

re: #122 Sharmuta
Hiya Lady
Ya'll finally got me to look up that term, moby... I kept thinking of it refering to a big ....um uh..

125 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:44:56am

re: #124 HD Woman

It's this guy's fault.

126 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:45:14am

Hey - howdy Sharmuta, Alberta, ... everybody . . .
I just did some searching and discovered the news about miguelito's health. Last I saw he was maybe recovering from a mild stroke.
Do ya'll know much more?

Federico

127 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:46:02am

re: #125 Sharmuta

It's this guy's fault.

kinda loose with the term "guy" aren't you?

he looks a little light to me...... %-)

128 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:46:48am

re: #126 Fearless Fred

Hey - howdy Sharmuta, Alberta, ... everybody . . .
I just did some searching and discovered the news about miguelito's health. Last I saw he was maybe recovering from a mild stroke.
Do ya'll know much more?

Federico

AFAIK, it's been negative contact for weeks, which doesn't portend good things for the home team.

129 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:48:36am

re: #118 Alberta Oil Peon

...and maybe even save a little.

That's just un-American!

130 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:49:08am

re: #128 redc1c4

AFAIK, it's been negative contact for weeks, which doesn't portend good things for the home team.

Hi.

Oh, . . . I see.

Digesting.

131 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:49:50am

re: #127 redc1c4

Yeah- I'm being technical, I suppose.

re: #126 Fearless Fred

What red said, unfortunately.

132 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:51:28am

re: #127 redc1c4

kinda loose with the term "guy" aren't you?

he looks a little light to me...... %-)

Or should I say- "he's a guy.

/white smoke"?

;p

133 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:54:43am

re: #131 Sharmuta

Yeah- I'm being technical, I suppose.

re: #126 Fearless Fred

What red said, unfortunately.

Hi again Shar --

Wow. I really love Miguel. Hmmm, . . .
Looked like realwest was intermittently in touch ... might he know more?

134 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 1:55:53am

Yeah, saw that when I looked it up. :P It gave me a tinge of insight to self delusion, I enjoyed my personal definition, it made me giggle. This guy - not so much.

135 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:00:00am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

136 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:00:05am

Almost time for the redistribution of fruitcup wealth....

137 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:00:18am

w00t! :-)

138 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:00:30am

re: #135 littleoldlady

ON THE DOT!

139 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:01:27am

re: #133 Fearless Fred

I don't think anyone's heard from him.

140 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:01:56am

re: #138 Sharmuta

ON THE DOT!

microdot at that...... enjoy the colors! %-)

141 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:02:06am

re: #135 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

2:00:00, . . .

nice

142 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:02:35am

Sharmuta! :-)

Powerball here I come! ;-)

Fenway! :-)

red! :-)

Fred! :-)

HD Woman! :-)

Who else is here? LGF! :-)

143 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:03:48am

Good Morning Lady! :)

144 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:07:12am

Morning loL.....looks like you've got the precision-timing of the Swiss....without the nasty stolen-by-the-Nazis gold hoarding tendencies.

145 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:10:22am

re: #139 Sharmuta

I don't think anyone's heard from him.

Okay. Gotta climb back in the rack here for now then.
Thanks . . . very sad about the news. Good to see you all though.

laters ..... buenos noches lizards !

146 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:10:47am

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

Gold hoarding doesn't look like such a bad idea at the moment... :-(

/but I DO draw the line at the "nasty stolen-by-the-Nazis gold hoarding"

147 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:11:09am

Bye, Fred.

148 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:12:20am

No. 1 Road Atlas predicted all presidential elections since 1992, proving that it all comes down to names

Call me crazy, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "McCain" might show up more on American maps than "obama".

149 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:12:47am

re: #145 Fearless Fred

Bye Fred- sorry the news isn't better.

150 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:14:31am

re: #141 Fearless Fred

2:00:00, . . .

nice

she uses the rhythm method to stay on time.

/white smoke!

151 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:14:55am

re: #146 littleoldlady

My instincts were right about precious metals going back up, but instead of it happening over the course of two or three weeks, it happened in barely 24 hours. I'm also hearing about how gold a popular wedding gift or dowry in India, and since this is the wedding season, it probably won't go back down dramatically until 2009 (and that was without this Wall Street clusterf*ck).

152 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:17:00am

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

I think it's not so much a good short time investment as a long term insurance policy.

153 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:18:06am

re: #148 Sharmuta
Guess that explains Tancredo.

154 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:21:51am

re: #75 stuiec

Worth a re-read. William Golding was asked to comment on the James Bulger murder in England (James was a 2-year-old led off by a couple of ten-year-olds, who beat him to death with a brick). He observed at the time that Britain was becoming a lot like the island of his novel.

The original film version was made with an all-amateur cast and is still very powerful.

I remember that, Stuie! My whole family was shocked...

Later, I went to see the B/W film, "Lord of the Flies"... it seemed to start slow, but the tempo gradually increased, passed the dead pilot, and was a jungle-death-beat when the climax was reached...

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

155 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:24:08am

re: #154 Karridine

I remember that, Stuie! My whole family was shocked...

Later, I went to see the B/W film, "Lord of the Flies"... it seemed to start slow, but the tempo gradually increased, passed the dead pilot, and was a jungle-death-beat when the climax was reached...

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

those of use with sense *and* guns.

156 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:25:06am

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

Even scarier, those 45 year-olds now have children that are even more disconected from any family ties, humanity, or sanity.

157 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:29:57am

re: #156 HD Woman

/problem: Who can act as adults for the islands of 45-year-old murderous children around us today?

Even scarier, those 45 year-olds now have children that are even more disconected from any family ties, humanity, or sanity.

but, being small, you need fewer rounds to take them out, unless they are on meth.......

/

158 Yankeeboy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:32:47am

Morning lizards...anyone else can't sleep? Luckily there is an old version of the "Lost World" on AMC.

159 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:33:59am

It is amazing to me that Dodd is the face they are putting out as the one protecting us from the no oversight Fannie bailout.

160 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:36:27am

Good Morning Lizard Nation. We are we all awake?

161 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:37:44am

Anyone have any thoughts on my #1 and #3?

162 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:38:12am

re: #157 redc1c4

Yep, I see the difficulties in what we're discussing.

But I've driven a slow motorcycle around a large, flat spot in the middle of suburban buildup, staying just barely ahead of a pack of snarling, hungry castoff mutts and dogs and feral canines... knowing all the while that IF I slipped or the scooter died or I couldn't get back to the entrance... I WAS DEAD!

When you're faced with 11 zombies or 11 hunger-maddened city-dwellers or 11 feral kids after a dirty bomb in the city that used to exist a few miles from your house... the odds are against you, even WITH guns...

163 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:38:44am

re: #159 HD Woman

It is amazing to me that Dodd is the face they are putting out as the one protecting us from the no oversight Fannie bailout.


It is kind of like having Willy Sutton or John Dillinger complaining about lack of bank security.

164 jroberson  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:41:20am

PETA requests Ben and Jerry substitute human breast milk for cow milk.

http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail.html

165 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:41:25am

Hi ya'll,,Has anyone got 700 billion dollars they can loan me.
I'll pay it back when my hunchback brother straightens up.

166 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:42:54am

re: #165 Oldasdirt

Yeah, I can help. Call 1-800-PAY-BACK and tell them you're willing to play Hankie Banky... they'll send you the cash in unmarked bills, FedEx... :D

167 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:42:55am

#160 opnion

working on it...yourself?

168 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:44:13am

re: #161 Moe Katz
I like most of the links that are put on here. A lot of dings at least show a lot of interest. Up or down, at least the people can rest assured that their mission was accomplished - message received and people thought about the particular message, for a little while at least.

169 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:46:25am

re: #167 YankeeBoy

#160 opnion

working on it...yourself?


Yeah, I just came up wide awake at 3:30 AM. It happens, but I wish that I was sleeping.

170 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:47:25am

re: #168 HD Woman

I like most of the links that are put on here. A lot of dings at least show a lot of interest. Up or down, at least the people can rest assured that their mission was accomplished - message received and people thought about the particular message, for a little while at least.

Sure, you can look at it that way.... :) but people don't like being down-dinged for their links. I basically don't bother posting anything that won't make people happy....

171 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:48:16am

re: #168 HD Woman

Thanks for going upthread and reading my two forlorn posts at the beginning :)

172 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:48:17am

re: #162 Karridine

Yep, I see the difficulties in what we're discussing.

But I've driven a slow motorcycle around a large, flat spot in the middle of suburban buildup, staying just barely ahead of a pack of snarling, hungry castoff mutts and dogs and feral canines... knowing all the while that IF I slipped or the scooter died or I couldn't get back to the entrance... I WAS DEAD!

When you're faced with 11 zombies or 11 hunger-maddened city-dwellers or 11 feral kids after a dirty bomb in the city that used to exist a few miles from your house... the odds are against you, even WITH guns...

ever consider moving?

/location, location, location....... %-)

173 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:49:00am

re: #161 Moe Katz

Anyone have any thoughts on my #1 and #3?

yeah: they're a long way up thread........ %-)

174 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:49:55am

re: #164 jroberson

PETA requests Ben and Jerry substitute human breast milk for cow milk.

http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail .html

tit's gonna make the ice cream taste funny.

175 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:50:35am

You guys watch,the American people want heads to roll over this Fannie/Mac crap.And the dems will go straight for any rep that they can pin this debockal* on.When it should be most,or all of them,and Barny(child molester) Frank who should be put straight into jail.No! Put him under the jail.Every CEO of all of these faild house of cards,should be made to give every dime back.

176 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:50:38am

re: #161 Moe Katz

Anyone have any thoughts on my #1 and #3?

Moe, I concur yr analysis, but unless we get Charles to program an "I LIKE the content for its DEMONSTRATION of a SERIOUS NEGATIVE reality" button, as well as a "This makes me ILL, but I'm glad it got linked here" button, we'll just hafta live with the ambiguity of plus/minus dings and trust in others to get the meaning, gist and drift...

177 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:51:42am

re: #173 redc1c4

yeah: they're a long way up thread........ %-)

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

178 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:52:00am

re: #169 opnion

Yeah, I just came up wide awake at 3:30 AM. It happens, but I wish that I was sleeping.

got a lot of police chopper activity tonight, which is neither normal nor welcome. i want to hit the rack.

the 11B-19D says otherwise.

/compromise: get a beer and wait a skosh %-)

179 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:52:35am

re: #166 Karridine

I've been watching Hank and Ben over on C-Span and they haven't provided one compelling reason why this bailout is necessary.

Bunning was pretty good in his questioning.

180 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:52:59am

The other night the Secret Service shooed a drunken lurker, from the front of Obamas mansion.
THe guy came back & he got arrested. They found a weapon & kevlar vest in the guys car.
Turns out that he is the son of a big Obama supporter.
Wonder if he was just basking in the glow?

181 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:53:22am

re: #176 Karridine

Yeah, there's probably no real solution except perhaps for Charles to remind people not to shoot the messenger if they're not mobies.

182 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:53:29am

#169 opnion

it happens...but there is always a lizard to talk to...and a cute girl that serves breakfast at the diner. Even at these hours.

183 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:53:38am

re: #177 Moe Katz

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

if it'll make ya feel better, i *like* negative stuff. that's mostly because i expect it by nature and it bothers the optimistic twits i despise so much to get it.

win/win

184 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:53:52am

Re: Bailout

Btw, no adequate explanation for bailing out foreign banks either.

185 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:54:20am

re: #177 Moe Katz

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

The down-dings don't necessarily mean 'we're shooting the messenger' as much as they mean 'we hate this message'

186 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:54:45am

re: #180 opnion

The other night the Secret Service shooed a drunken lurker, from the front of Obamas mansion.
THe guy came back & he got arrested. They found a weapon & kevlar vest in the guys car.
Turns out that he is the son of a big Obama supporter.
Wonder if he was just basking in the glow?

how can a man of the people like Obanal afford a mansion when so many (like his brother) are po' but proud?

187 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:55:11am

re: #185 Karridine

The down-dings don't necessarily mean 'we're shooting the messenger' as much as they mean 'we hate this message'

Right, but as you point out, it's impossible to tell which is which a lot of the time.

188 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:56:24am

re: #187 Moe Katz

Yup, sure is. :D

189 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:56:27am

Best thing McCain can do is vote against the bailout.

This way he will cut himself completely from Bush 43 and those waiting for handouts weren't going to vote for him anyway.

190 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:56:41am

re: #182 YankeeBoy

#169 opnion

it happens...but there is always a lizard to talk to...and a cute girl that serves breakfast at the diner. Even at these hours.

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

191 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:59:06am

I mostly just did the ding things when I first got registered, it is my way of acknowledging people that had already given voice to my thoughts. I don't know if I've ever down dinged anyone though... unless it looked like leftwing spam spouting.

192 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:59:06am

re: #190 opnion

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

Or later than you want, in my case.

193 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 2:59:18am

re: #187 Moe Katz

"A liar can be shown up in a few moments, but a truthful man often takes years to have the truth of his being proved..."

Its a paraphrase, but I take it to remind me that one instance MIGHT indicate nefarious thoughts/deeds, but mostly I look for PATTERNS, Moe... and I give people the benefit of the doubt...

once.

194 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:00:00am

re: #186 redc1c4

how can a man of the people like Obanal afford a mansion when so many (like his brother) are po' but proud?

Hey, Barry & Michelle are still just folks. They are just real RICH folks.
He does want to make government cool again though. That's a groove y'all.

195 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:00:15am

re: #193 Karridine

Its a paraphrase, but I take it to remind me that one instance MIGHT indicate nefarious thoughts/deeds, but mostly I look for PATTERNS, Moe... and I give people the benefit of the doubt...

once.

You mean with respect to trolling/mobyism?

196 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:00:47am

re: #195 Moe Katz

Yep, that too.

197 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:01:44am

re: #192 Moe Katz

Or later than you want, in my case.

I have enjoyed LGF late at night too.Ya know though, I have to get my sleep straightend out.

198 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:02:41am

re: #197 opnion

I have enjoyed LGF late at night too.Ya know though, I have to get my sleep straightend out.

Do you work today?

199 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:02:53am

#190 Opnion

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

Yea...I was a lurker for the longest time.

200 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:03:39am
You mean with respect to trolling/mobyism?

Because if they're trolling, or false-flagging as a moby, they'll reveal themselves.

And humility demands (of ME) that I remind myself that -linguist though I am- there's a flatness here in ASCII-wonderland that leaves a LOT OF COMMUNICATIVE CLUES out of the comments and posts... so we, as a group, can ably dissect a troll or moby when one shows up here...

201 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:04:32am

The FBI looking at Freddie, Fannie, Lehman & AIG. Hmmm, while they're at it take a loooooong look at Dodd & Barney Frank.

202 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:04:47am

There are usually intelligent, rational folks to talk to. Conservatives are definitely ... more worth talking to, in most cases anyway.

203 Spirit93  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:05:46am

re: #161 Moe Katz
Yes, Moe, I have noticed the same thing. I would think that a linked should be dinged based on how valuable or worthwhile the link was, but it seems many are dinging based on whether or not they agree with the sentiment expressed in the link. Don't take it personally, I do think people understand that just because you provided a link that doesn't mean you agree with it. Usually the posters position is obvious from the title or description of the link.

204 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:06:25am

I like this LGF place.It's like an island of sane people,in a sea of fools.

205 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:06:43am

re: #200 Karridine

Because if they're trolling, or false-flagging as a moby, they'll reveal themselves.

And humility demands (of ME) that I remind myself that -linguist though I am- there's a flatness here in ASCII-wonderland that leaves a LOT OF COMMUNICATIVE CLUES out of the comments and posts... so we, as a group, can ably dissect a troll or moby when one shows up here...

Don't you think there are some false positives, though? That it sometimes degenerates into a witchhunt?

206 Timbre  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:06:59am

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is an arrogant Islamopath who has called repeatedly for the destruction of Israel. His statements, backed by the full force of his government, constitute a declaration of war against Israel and its allies. This Government will not idly stand by while the Iranian Government begins preparation for offensive military attacks. We urge the Iranian people to reject the Ahmadinejad/Mullah-ruled government and establish a new constitutional government whose focus is human rights and legitimate self-defense; not Islamist self-aggrandizement.

207 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:07:11am

re: #199 YankeeBoy

#190 Opnion

You know LGF is a great thing to turn to, when you are awake much earlier than you want.

Yea...I was a lurker for the longest time.


I got to look in a thread yesterday. Mandy & Just My View were having a world class smack down.
I had to go to a meeting (Actual work). Anybody know how it ended up?

208 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:07:22am

re: #202 Moe Katz

There are usually intelligent, rational folks to talk to. Conservatives are definitely ... more worth talking to, in most cases anyway.

EGGS Ackley!
Why should I waste time on some attention-deprived adolescent when I can use my life to 'accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative, and don't mess with Mister In-Between'?

209 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:07:31am

re: #177 Moe Katz

My point is simply that spinoff links that don't make people happy get negged, when the person posting them is doing so in good faith. There's a shooting the messenger thing happening, so I often don't post anything that isn't positive...

Yeah- it's very shoot the messenger when I think sometimes people are trying to expose moonbatiness. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Strange really, because if it were a thread instead of a spinoff, it gets dinged up, but people don't utilize the spinoff thread comments to rail against the moonbat- they just ding the lizard exposing it.

210 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:08:02am

re: #203 Spirit93

Yes, when I post something offensive I usually add a title that will distance me from the message, express dismay, etc.

211 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:08:04am

Good morning, Lizards.

212 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:09:01am

#204 oldasdirt

nice to meet you.

213 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:09:02am

re: #211 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, goddess.

214 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:09:09am

re: #205 Moe Katz

Don't you think there are some false positives, though? That it sometimes degenerates into a witchhunt?

I do. So I personally avoid ad hominem attacks on others, and don't go in for troll-bashing (much) but do take this opportunity to state that there've been very FEW false-positives that I've seen here, Moe...

215 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:09:10am

re: #209 Sharmuta

Yeah- it's very shoot the messenger when I think sometimes people are trying to expose moonbatiness. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Strange really, because if it were a thread instead of a spinoff, it gets dinged up, but people don't utilize the spinoff thread comments to rail against the moonbat- they just ding the lizard exposing it.

Give it some thought, Sharmuta, maybe you'll come up with a solution!

216 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:09:55am

re: #211 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good Morning. Wecome to the 'I just couldn't sleep" thread

217 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:10:45am

Good morning LGF.

Larry: Why don't you sit down and talk with Israel?
A-hole: Sucks to your ass-mar.
Larry: Do you really deny the holocaust?
A-hole: Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood.
Larry: Thank you Mr. President.

218 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:11:05am

re: #208 Karridine

EGGS Ackley!
Why should I waste time on some attention-deprived adolescent when I can use my life to 'accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative, and don't mess with Mister In-Between'?

Good song!

219 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:11:52am

re: #218 Moe Katz

You're DATING yourself, Bub! :D

220 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:12:58am

re: #218 Moe Katz

But I MEAN IT, Moe... I sing that song in my heart, on my lips, daily! I will not dwell on the unpleasant things of life! :D

221 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:13:31am

re: #207 opnion
I think just my view was losing, he just couldn't see it.

222 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:13:48am

re: #219 Karridine

You're DATING yourself, Bub! :D

I'm very retro. My adult life has been an exploration of music of previous generations.

223 Luigi  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:13:51am

Heads up to Barry..

[Link: www.rantburg.com...]

This may explain why Barry denies over and over again he was ever a Muslim.

224 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:15:26am

Just on FNC. A chaplin at the University of Mass. was offering 2 hours of college credit for students that volunteer time, working for Obama.
The Administraton foun out & slapped him down.

225 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:16:27am

re: #223 Luigi

Heads up to Barry..

[Link: www.rantburg.com...]

This may explain why Barry denies over and over again he was ever a Muslim.

I thought it was because it's ok to lie to non-muslims.

226 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:16:35am

{Sharmuta}
{opnion}

I'm sorry that y'all couldn't sleep--that's so frustrating. I'm up early because I'm a teacher, and mu official work day starts at 7:30.

227 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:16:44am

re: #221 HD Woman

I think just my view was losing, he just couldn't see it.

Is JMV a guy? I get the feelig JMV is a female & a foreign national.

228 Karridine  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:17:00am

re: #222 Moe Katz

That's a MARVELLOUS way to investigate one's roots, Moe! The people who sang it, the social matrix that grew it and the changes it triggered... (ANY song)...

That's not a bad filter through which to view life, or history...

229 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:17:15am

According to promotional brochures, the soon-to-be refurbished building will house the new "Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Service," the "Rangel Conference Center," "a well-furnished office for Charles Rangel" and the "Charles Rangel Library" for his papers and memorabilia. It's kind of like a presidential library, but without a president. In fact, the brochure says Rangel's library will be as important as the Clinton and Carter libraries.
Our money(federal funds)at work.For this crook,NO WAY!

230 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:17:17am

#207 opnion

I know who Mandy is...not so much on "just my view". Mandy is a troll smasher, so I'm asuming she was smashing a troll.

231 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:17:31am

well, one last ost and then bed:
i recently enrolled in a program to finish my college degree. 1st semester in (mumble) years.

1 class is "labor law": do we discuss laws and where to find answers to legal questions?
no. we discuss CA labor history from the Spanish on up. we got an assignment to look up the legal minimum wage on 5 different scenarios, after maybe 30 mikes max of class room "how to" look up stuff. no walk throughs, nada. just the old "swim" sort of training.

w*rk was due NLT 2400 local on the 22nd, and once you turn in an answer, you can't change anything......nor can the instructor accept any other form of submission (email, etc)

having not prepared his students, nor given them the tools, and since some students were having tech issues, on the 23rd his nibs told us we had until the 26th to give our answers.......

i posted the following item:
/begin quoted text
"since we all could use a good laugh about now"

the good news is that we now have until the 26th to turn in the minimum wage questions.
(see announcements)

except, of course, that Blackboard won't let you change anything once you've turned in your answer, and you can't submit answers any other way....

and, best of all, the extension wasn't announced until the 23rd, which, of course, was after the deadline of the 22nd.

your extra credit question is this:
from the facts presented, is this a government w*rk site, or just a regular union j*b? %-)
/end quoted text

bear in mind our instructor is a huge union/immigrants right fan, hence my EC question. i also attached this photo to the file, labeled "all the way to the top fail"......

think he'll get the joke?

(and, for extra credit, how badly will my grade suffer for this temerity? %-)

232 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:17:41am

re: #215 Moe Katz

Give it some thought, Sharmuta, maybe you'll come up with a solution!

That's above my pay grade.

233 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:18:00am

re: #226 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}
{opnion}

I'm sorry that y'all couldn't sleep--that's so frustrating. I'm up early because I'm a teacher, and mu official work day starts at 7:30.


Goddess, thank's for the kind thoughts. I plan to catch up tonight.

234 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:18:00am

re: #228 Karridine

That's a MARVELLOUS way to investigate one's roots, Moe! The people who sang it, the social matrix that grew it and the changes it triggered... (ANY song)...

That's not a bad filter through which to view life, or history...

Oh, yes, it's a lifetime project, endless and vast.

235 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:18:22am

re: #232 Sharmuta

That's above my pay grade.

:)

236 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:18:42am

re: #212 YankeeBoy

#204 oldasdirt

nice to meet you.

Thx.I love this place.

237 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:18:58am

re: #207 opnion

I got to look in a thread yesterday. Mandy & Just My View were having a world class smack down.
I had to go to a meeting (Actual work). Anybody know how it ended up?

my money is on Mandy......

238 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:19:50am

re: #230 YankeeBoy

#207 opnion

I know who Mandy is...not so much on "just my view". Mandy is a troll smasher, so I'm asuming she was smashing a troll.

It was a beat down. As usual in these things lately, over Obama.

239 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:20:34am

re: #205 Moe Katz

Don't you think there are some false positives, though? That it sometimes degenerates into a witchhunt?

everyone is guilty of something...... can you float?

240 Spirit93  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:20:38am

re: #222 Moe Katz

I'm very retro. My adult life has been an exploration of music of previous generations.

Me too! I've become a big fan of the big band era.

Duke Ellington - Anitra's Dance

241 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:20:47am

re: #237 redc1c4

my money is on Mandy......

When I left, she was kicking some serious ass.

242 Timbre  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:20:53am

re: #224 opnion

Just on FNC. A chaplain in at the University of Mass. was offering 2 hours of college credit for students that volunteer time, working for Obama.
The Administrating found out & slapped him down.

I will not use a broad-brush on religious people in general, as we have many good ones right here at Charles' LGF. But my 10 years of working with volunteers--more than a few the "true-believer"-- has shown me that rules often take a back seat to "doing God's work."

243 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:21:02am

re: #234 Moe Katz

Oh, yes, it's a lifetime project, endless and vast.

There's more interest these days in old-time country music. The blacks weren't the only people making interesting folk music in the early 20th century South, but some kind of inverse racism has marginalized white roots music. Emmylou Harris has talked about that.

244 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:21:46am

re: #240 Spirit93

Me too! I've become a big fan of the big band era.

Duke Ellington - Anitra's Dance

There's just so much to discover. And some of the CD collections of old recordings are getting ridiculously cheap.

245 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:22:29am

re: #240 Spirit93

Me too! I've become a big fan of the big band era.

Duke Ellington - Anitra's Dance

Your not alone. My college student daughter & her friends go Swing Dancing. Big Bands have become very popular again.

246 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:22:44am

re: #241 opnion

When I left, she was kicking some serious ass.

she always does...... %-)

247 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:23:39am

re: #227 opnion

Is JMV a guy? I get the feeling JMV is a female & a foreign national.


I guess being a female, I may be guilty of gender bias.. whoopsy.
I sure thought it was a guy cause of the know it all attitude, but I do recognize what you considered possible effeminate tendencies.

248 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:24:10am

l8r...... gonna hit it so i can see what happens to my latest attempt at college tomorrow.

/likely shoulda spent the tuition on scotch, just like the first time %-)

249 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:24:11am

re: #239 redc1c4

everyone is guilty of something...... can you float?

Yes, I do float. That's why I'm afraid of witchhunts.

250 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:24:23am

re: #242 Timbre

I will not use a broad-brush on religious people in general, as we have many good ones right here at Charles' LGF. But my 10 years of working with volunteers--more than a few the "true-believer"-- has shown me that rules often take a back seat to "doing God's work."

And often they justify their own vision for God's.

AKA "pride."

251 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:24:42am

Godessoftheclassroom...Would you mind if I introduce myself?...and try to spell it correctly?

252 redc1c4  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:25:24am

re: #247 HD Woman

I guess being a female, I may be guilty of gender bias.. whoopsy.
I sure thought it was a guy cause of the know it all attitude, but I do recognize what you considered possible effeminate tendencies.

which won't stop JMV from being male, just that they won't be a guy.

/or maybe JMV is just Fwench?

253 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:26:26am

re: #243 Moe Katz

There's more interest these days in old-time country music. The blacks weren't the only people making interesting folk music in the early 20th century South, but some kind of inverse racism has marginalized white roots music. Emmylou Harris has talked about that.

A lot of Country music sounds very similar to Irish/ Scottish folk music.

254 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:26:53am

re: #252 redc1c4
French is just what I was thinking!

255 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:27:16am

re: #251 YankeeBoy

Godessoftheclassroom...Would you mind if I introduce myself?...and try to spell it correctly?

I would be delighted to make your acquaintance!

256 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:28:25am

I fly with a French guy,and he hates US.Us meaning U.S.

257 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:28:46am

re: #253 opnion

A lot of Country music sounds very similar to Irish/ Scottish folk music.

Sure, they came to Appalachia and settled in their hollers and continued much of what they'd had in the old country. Jazz/blues and radio revolutionized country music by the 1920's, though.

258 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:29:01am

re: #247 HD Woman

I guess being a female, I may be guilty of gender bias.. whoopsy.
I sure thought it was a guy cause of the know it all attitude, but I do recognize what you considered possible effeminate tendencies.


I am curious. There is such a knee jerk rush to defend Obama & I wonder why. Of ,I am just as quick to go the other way.

259 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:30:48am

re: #257 Moe Katz

Sure, they came to Appalachia and settled in their hollers and continued much of what they'd had in the old country. Jazz/blues and radio revolutionized country music by the 1920's, though.

Right, I guess that I was referring to Classic Country.Today , a lot of it is Cross Over.

260 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:32:23am

Breakfast time - pass the breast milk.
BWAHAHAHAHA

261 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:32:27am

re: #253 opnion
I love Eddie Arnold - Make the world go away
& Kitty Wells!

262 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:33:30am

re: #259 opnion

Right, I guess that I was referring to Classic Country.Today , a lot of it is Cross Over.

I don't listen to mainstream country much. Now they've got mainstream bluegrass, too ... it's soulless and formulaic.

263 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:33:32am

#225 Godessoftheclassroom

The pleasure is mine

264 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:33:35am

re: #256 Oldasdirt

I fly with a French guy,and he hates US.Us meaning U.S.

Probably angry that we interferred in their relationship with the Germans during WWII. You know if we had just minded our own business, Pierre Francouis Obama could have negotiated the misunderstanding.

265 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:33:45am

re: #261 HD Woman

I love Eddie Arnold - Make the world go away
& Kitty Wells!

One of my childhood Christmas memories is listening to Eddie Arnold's Christmas album as my dad strung the lights on the tree.

He bought my brother and me our own copies when we moved out on our own.

266 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:34:31am

re: #260 sparrowlake

Breakfast time - pass the breast milk.
BWAHAHAHAHA

Did you see the scene in Borat?

267 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:34:40am

re: #262 Moe Katz

I don't listen to mainstream country much. Now they've got mainstream bluegrass, too ... it's soulless and formulaic.

I know that Willy is a moonbat, but he can sing. I still listen to him.

268 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:35:28am

re: #267 opnion

I know that Willy is a moonbat, but he can sing. I still listen to him.

He's a brilliant songwriter too. "Crazy" is a masterpiece.

269 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:36:11am

re: #268 Moe Katz

He's a brilliant songwriter too. "Crazy" is a masterpiece.

yup, & "Funny how Time slips Away"

270 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:36:38am

re: #264 opnion

Probably angry that we interferred in their relationship with the Germans during WWII. You know if we had just minded our own business, Pierre Francouis Obama could have negotiated the misunderstanding.

LMAO,,hope you dont mind if i pass that on to him,I love being under his skin.

271 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:38:02am

re: #247 HD Woman

It's not that you're a woman. It's that there is a tendency here to assume posters are male. I think it's because politics has been so male dominated for so long that a lot of us (me included) tend to think posters here are male.

But what's strange is women tend to be highly opinionated, as any man would tell you. That women display this here should surprise no one, yet there is still a tendency to think posters are men.

And.... I really thought the avatar would help, but I still get called a "he" sometimes. What's a Smurfette to do?

272 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:38:04am

re: #269 opnion

yup, & "Funny how Time slips Away"

Yes. Much of his early songwriting, when he was writing commercially for Nashville, is superb. It's formula stuff with a hook, but it's GOOD formula stuff. "I've Just Destroyed the World" is probably the best hook I've ever heard for a song.

273 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:38:06am

Why am I awake at this hour? Why am I on LGF ...?

274 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:38:17am

re: #270 Oldasdirt

LMAO,,hope you dont mind if i pass that on to him,I love being under his skin.

Please do. I will look forward to hearing his reaction. I have a French neighbor like that.

275 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:38:53am

re: #273 Gang of One

Why am I awake at this hour? Why am I on LGF ...?

Because sleeping's overrated and you love us?

276 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:39:07am

re: #258 opnion

I am curious. There is such a knee jerk rush to defend Obama & I wonder why. Of ,I am just as quick to go the other way.


I read one opinion that people are so invested in their "guy", that admitting their guy is wrong is like admitting they themselves are wrong.
I have noticed a lot of people don't want to admit they're wrong even if they know it for a fact. Kinda the opposite of being so open minded that your brains fall out, but with similar consequences.

277 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:39:14am

re: #267 opnion

I know that Willy is a moonbat, but he can sing. I still listen to him.

Who cares if he's a moonbat?

278 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:39:37am

#273 Gang of One

I was asking myself that about an hour ago.

279 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:39:45am

re: #275 Sharmuta

Because sleeping's overrated and you love us?

I think that is part of it, yes.

280 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:39:58am

re: #272 Moe Katz

Yes. Much of his early songwriting, when he was writing commercially for Nashville, is superb. It's formula stuff with a hook, but it's GOOD formula stuff. "I've Just Destroyed the World" is probably the best hook I've ever heard for a song.

I really like 'Poncho & Lefty" Not his best stuff I guess, but I like it.

281 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:40:40am

re: #280 opnion

I really like 'Poncho & Lefty" Not his best stuff I guess, but I like it.

Yep, got that one. And Red Headed Stranger, and a whole shelf-full more.

282 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:40:41am

It might also have to do with the fact that I have this job teaching high school special ed ... ?

283 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:41:23am

Maybe I should actually, y'know, start getting dressed now.

284 Spirit93  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:41:59am

re: #273 Gang of One

Why am I awake at this hour? Why am I on LGF ...?

The hive awakens you.

Resistance is futile.

285 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:42:15am

re: #282 Gang of One

It might also have to do with the fact that I have this job teaching high school special ed ... ?

{Gang of One}

God bless you. To teach special ed is indeed a special gift. I know of the tremendous paperwork and administrative stuff you have to deal with, and for that you have my sympathy.

286 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:42:18am

re: #277 Moe Katz

Who cares if he's a moonbat?

Yeah, I wouldn't vote for him for anything, but he does great stuff, musically.

287 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:44:04am

re: #286 opnion

Yeah, I wouldn't vote for him for anything, but he does great stuff, musically.

Amazing after all those years of smoking dope.

288 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:44:58am

re: #287 Moe Katz

Amazing after all those years of smoking dope.

Actually, that probably made him more creative.

289 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:46:02am

re: #287 Moe Katz

Amazing after all those years of smoking dope.

Willie smokes dope.Probably to take the edge off being a moonbat.

290 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:46:18am

re: #288 opnion

Actually, that probably made him more creative.

But moonbatty....

291 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:47:04am

re: #285 goddessoftheclassroom

{Gang of One}

God bless you. To teach special ed is indeed a special gift. I know of the tremendous paperwork and administrative stuff you have to deal with, and for that you have my sympathy.

{Goddess}

You got that right, the part about paper pushing.

If we only had to teach it would have been enough.

If we only had to modify lesson plans and teach, it would have been enough.

If we only had to have weekly meetings with other teachers in the department, modify lesson plans and teach, it would have been enough.

If we only had to download reams of e-mail attachments from administrators, have weekly meetings with other teachers in the department, modify lesson plans and teach, it would have been enough.

You get the picture ..

292 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:47:09am

He plays a lot of golf on his private course as well. I wonder if he cheats.

293 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:48:39am

Now if we want to talk singer /songwriters, I gotta put David Allen Coe and Johnny Cash at the top of that list.

294 Gang of One  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:48:48am

And now I really, truly, honestly have to go.

See you all later ... during my prep, perhaps.

295 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:51:11am

re: #293 HD Woman

Now if we want to talk singer /songwriters, I gotta put David Allen Coe and Johnny Cash at the top of that list.

Johnny Cash was incredible, I cried when he died a few months after June passed away. Don't know Coe at all, though, I must confess.

296 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:51:49am

re: #291 Gang of One
Sounds like you really earn your moniker!
Godspeed and Jobe's patience!

297 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:52:59am

re: #296 HD Woman

What does the HD stand for in your nic? Hard drive? Heavy duty?

298 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:53:41am

FNC is now predicting that there may be accusations of voter fraud this election.
Look for them next to boldly predict, that sunrise will continue in the East.

299 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:54:18am

re: #297 Moe Katz

What does the HD stand for in your nic? Hard drive? Heavy duty?

Hates demon-crats?

300 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:56:02am

re: #271 Sharmuta

It's not that you're a woman. It's that there is a tendency here to assume posters are male. I think it's because politics has been so male dominated for so long that a lot of us (me included) tend to think posters here are male.

But what's strange is women tend to be highly opinionated, as any man would tell you. That women display this here should surprise no one, yet there is still a tendency to think posters are men.

And.... I really thought the avatar would help, but I still get called a "he" sometimes. What's a Smurfette to do?

Who are you calling highly opinionated, Smurfy?!?

301 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:56:08am

re: #295 Moe Katz
Darlin you are missing some kick a$$ country music!
Tanya Tucker sang one of his to the top of the charts,
"Would you lay with me, in a field of stones."
I like his version better though.

Johnny Paycheck sang Take this job & shove it.

302 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:56:54am

re: #298 opnion

FNC is now predicting that there may be accusations of voter fraud this election.
Look for them next to boldly predict, that sunrise will continue in the East.

They're really on the ball there, aren't they? I predict accusations of racism- can I have my own network now?

303 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:57:24am

re: #297 Moe Katz

What does the HD stand for in your nic? Hard drive? Heavy duty?


Hot Damn!

304 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:57:53am

re: #301 HD Woman

Darlin you are missing some kick a$$ country music!
Tanya Tucker sang one of his to the top of the charts,
"Would you lay with me, in a field of stones."
I like his version better though.

Johnny Paycheck sang Take this job & shove it.

Oh! Thanks for telling me!

305 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:58:09am

re: #303 HD Woman

Hot Damn!

LOL!

306 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:58:36am

re: #302 Sharmuta

They're really on the ball there, aren't they? I predict accusations of racism- can I have my own network now?

We're going to see it all. And it's going to be sickening.

307 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:58:44am

re: #300 scottishbuzzsaw

Who are you calling highly opinionated, Smurfy?!?

LOL!

308 yesandno  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 3:59:37am

Well....

The run on gasoline here has about reached the breaking point. Have less then 1/8 of a tan of gasoline and unlikely to find any around here before it all goes. Western North Carolina is out of gas.

People hoarding, topping off and generally doing what people do when there is a shortage. Guess I should be angry at them, but more angry that all the refineries involved here are on the Gulf Coast and disabled because of Ike and the pipelines not full initially because of the EPA switch from summer to winter blend.

Look at the environmentalists that have blocked more refineries in less volatile areas of the country. Too many designer types of gasoline. Believe that may have been suspended in the aftermath of the storm for a while. But the turnover had already started between one blend and another reducing the flow in the pipes prior to the shut off.

And now we sit and wait for the situation to improve itself. It isn't the price of gas that is a problem today....it is the supply.

Drill, drill, drill..................

309 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:00:37am

re: #300 scottishbuzzsaw

Who are you calling highly opinionated, Smurfy?!?

Sure as heck wouldn't be any of us . . .

310 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:00:52am

Well folks, I'd better get a bit of sleep, the appliance place will undoubtedly call me early to arrange the reinstallation of my upstairs air conditioner. Which failed just out of warranty, of course.

311 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:02:14am

re: #307 Sharmuta

LOL!

Good morning, Shar...by the way, excellent opinions on the fascist thread...can't believe they're still at it.

312 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:03:31am

re: #310 Moe Katz
Call them even if it's out of warranty. I've saved hundreds that way. They can't tell ya no til you ask, then ask for a supervisor, and be real nice.

313 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:03:42am

re: #309 galloping granny

Sure as heck wouldn't be any of us . . .

*blinking innocently*

314 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:04:43am

Lest you think that Drill Baby Drill is really going to happen - better read this:
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

315 Moe Katz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:05:34am

re: #312 HD Woman

Call them even if it's out of warranty. I've saved hundreds that way. They can't tell ya no til you ask, then ask for a supervisor, and be real nice.

I actually did that and got the part free, now I only have to pay the labor! Thanks for mentioning it!

Over and out.

316 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:06:53am

re: #314 galloping granny
That's already past the House and President Bush has promised to veto it.

317 galloping granny  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:08:50am

re: #316 HD Woman

That's already past the House and President Bush has promised to veto it.

Better read more closely. Pelosi and company are now adding it on to a must-pass/must sign spending bill . . . . .

318 flynmudd  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:12:04am

re: #317 galloping granny

Call your congresscritter and let them know how you feel. Don't expect someone else to do it.

319 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:12:36am

re: #311 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, Shar...by the way, excellent opinions on the fascist thread...can't believe they're still at it.

Good morning, Scotti. You know- you'd think it would be obvious why LGFers and people in general don't want to be associated with nazis, but what can you do when you're dealing with people who see no problem with it?

And thanks for your kind words- that means a lot to me.

320 TheMatrix31  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:12:54am

Too bad there's no line-item.

321 yesandno  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:14:01am

re: #317 galloping granny

Better read more closely. Pelosi and company are now adding it on to a must-pass/must sign spending bill . . . . .

Was aware of this. These people need to be voted out of office...not only change you can believe in, but change we need.

This is the most corrupt group of individuals ever. We need to hit the phones and the mail and put a stop to this.....

Vote the bastards out!

322 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:15:16am

re: #318 flynmudd

Call your congresscritter and let them know how you feel. Don't expect someone else to do it.

I've got mine on speed dial.

323 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:16:12am

re: #314 galloping granny

Lest you think that Drill Baby Drill is really going to happen - better read this:
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]


It won't wash. Pelosi's "Comprehensive American Energy Security and Consumer Protection Act" actually bans drilling in places where we know the oil and gas are. It prohibits drilling within 50 miles of our coasts.

Can't wait to see how this will be spun by the MSM. How come it seems like the Dems always find a way to get what they want? When they are in the majority no less. Republicans need to get some bills appropriating funding for nuclear power attached to some Head Start funding bill and start being on the offensive.

324 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:16:25am

re: #266 Moe Katz

Did you see the scene in Borat?

Yeah, Borat was very....very.
I was referring to the idiots at PETA who want Ben & Jerry's to subtitute it for cow's milk...how about a single scoop with a cherry on top!

325 YankeeBoy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:16:50am

It's shower and shave time. Thanks for being lizards. To anyone I take into conversation please I'm only here for an hour or two at a time...so I don't always get back.

But I met a few very cool folks here.

Have a good day.

326 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:19:17am

On the subject of congress critters, I hope you all will take 5 minutes to contact your Senator through the Capitol Switchboard (202-224-3121) and ask him/her to pressure Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to allow a vote this week on H.R. 6633, the House-passed E-Verify reauthorization bill. The E-Verify program will die in November if Congress does not reauthorize it before Members leave for the election recess on Friday.

327 Price_of_Peace  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:21:55am

re: #158 Yankeeboy

Morning lizards...anyone else can't sleep? Luckily there is an old version of the "Lost World" on AMC.

I haven't been asleep yet. I'm doing laundry for the wife since I'm awake. Checking here between loads. I hoped the laundry would put me to sleep. Oh well.....

328 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:23:39am

[Link: throwawayyourtelescreen.wordpress.com...]
This may help to explain some of our bank problems

329 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:33:22am

More evidence that we humans are destroying the cosmos? New signs of Gorebull warming? I think not. Solar Wind Loses Power, Hits 50-year Low. Actually, it's refreshing to see scientists admitting that, with only 50 years of data or so, far-reaching conclusions are impossible.

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:34:40am

Why am I supposed to care so much about Caylee?

331 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:36:01am

So if Warren Buffet is willing to bail out Goldman Sachs why are taxpayers asked to participate?

332 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:36:10am

re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why wouldn't ya? Who is she?

333 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:37:46am

Good Morning Lizards!

Red Sox are playoff bound!

You will have to excuse me for being a little bit overly upbeat today due to the looming playoff season, even if I do suspect that it will be short lived for the Sox.

I hope all of you are well.

334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:40:07am

re: #332 HD Woman

Why wouldn't ya? Who is she?

That's my freaking point. Today Show has spent the past 7 minutes talking about a cute missing three year old white girl.

The press latches on the the missing white person du jour. Drives me nuts.

Sad yes! National news? Hardly.

335 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:41:15am
336 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:41:44am

re: #333 Ford_Prefect
Do the Happy Dance & don't borrow trouble from tomorrow. :)

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:42:15am

re: #335 rancher

I'm just guessing here...

All of them?

338 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:42:35am

re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's my freaking point. Today Show has spent the past 7 minutes talking about a cute missing three year old white girl.

The press latches on the the missing white person du jour. Drives me nuts.

Sad yes! National news? Hardly.

Is that the one the mom kept in the trunk of her car for a few months?

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:42:58am

re: #338 Oldasdirt

Yep.

340 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:44:40am

re: #336 HD Woman

Do the Happy Dance & don't borrow trouble from tomorrow. :)

As a Red Sox fan, even after two recent World Series Championships, there will always be a little pessimism in with the joy. A little bitter with the sweet. That's OK though. It keeps us humble. ;-)

341 right Brain  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:44:52am

Received this, this morning from a Wall St.banker. Too funny not to share:

A Most Honorable and Rewardable Appeal from Republic of America

Dear Honorable American:

In great gratitude I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude. I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren towallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully
Minister of Treasury Paulson

342 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:44:58am

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Demon-crats would call it a late abortion.

343 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:45:10am

re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why am I supposed to care so much about Caylee?

Back in the day of 24/7 Elizabeth Smart coverage, a few outlets started complaining about the media focusing on one lost child. Then MSNBC covered, for one segment, "The Search for Alexis." She was the daughter of two poor African Americans. Part of the criticism of the Smart coverage was that it was only covered because the family was wealthy. At the end the interviewer said they would keep us posted on developments and I never heard about the girl again. That was the most embarrassing and patronizing interview ever.

344 godfrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:46:08am

Good morning everyone

"Dark Flow" outside the observable universe

Pittsburgh's Socialist Public Educational System

Dark Flow seems to be exerting a force on Pittsburgh teacher unions.

345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:46:47am

re: #341 right Brain

Well, it would be funny. If it weren't so damn true.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:47:28am

re: #343 NC State of Mind

Yep.

347 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:48:01am

Good morning lizards! Bloody Marys all 'round!

Gonna start reading the from the top....

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:49:38am

re: #347 BaseballMom57

Wait! My Bloody Mary!

349 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:50:13am

re: #341 right Brain

Well, if it is going to help "the Republic of America" then count me in. Every true Patriot should join in.

//////////////////////////////////////////

350 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:51:45am

re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Incredibly sad. I was pretty sure that's who you were referring to. My heart sure goes out to the grandparents, they have nuts with signs protesting in their yard day & night like they did something wrong! Makes me want to go down there and knock noggins.

I agree with your point, especially when they give rampage shooters 5 days of fame when they don't deserve to have their name spoken ever again. I've tried a few times to document what they call news so I could complain to the FCC and ask them not to renew licenses of our airways. I got too disgusted and never made it through the broadcast.

351 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:54:55am

re: #340 Ford_Prefect
I put a hex on NYY 3 years ago. You're welcome ;)

352 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:55:03am

re: #350 HD Woman

Grandparents are dealing with protesters because of the media.

Maybe someone cuter will be murdered next week.

Sheesh!

353 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:57:46am

The Goldman quote from "Lord of the Flies" is sinister foreboding of the plot, in which English juveniles stranded on an island without adult supervision gradually turn into tribal barbarians, stooping even to murder of one of their own.

We have a similar situation. It's known as the Congress. It's about to vote a bailout at our expense for its own recklessness, self-enriching misconduct, and failure of oversight, otherwise known to Democrats as "fun".

354 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 4:59:01am

Oops! "Golding", not "Goldman".

355 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:00:07am

re: #351 HD Woman

I thought Alex Rodriguez did that when he signed with them. The Curse Of A-Rod! And now that he is going to be on the team when they open their new stadium I figure that is cursed too. They will never win a championship there.

I can dream, can't I?

:-)

356 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:02:23am

Is it just me,,or did the Charlie Rangle tax evasion thing kinda get sweped under the carpet?

357 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:04:02am

re: #21 EIDE_Interface

But at the same time, people who signed for loans they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out. Let them suffer.

As a loan officer with one of the very few banks who did NOT hand out Option ARMs or ANY loan the borrower could not afford, I agree with you EIDE, with one "however":

There ARE a number of innocent (albeit ignorant) people who were suckered into these loans by slick, greedy loan officers. Language barriers were taken advantage of, and there was a fair amount of overt, but not apparent to the borrower, collusion between the loan officer, realtor and appraiser. The FBI can investigate until kingdom come, and they won't find all the greedy little sobs. These victims have come to my office seeking help, and in almost all cases, have copies of every document they signed, and have burst into tears at my desk when I explain the loan to them. Their incomes were invariably inflated, and they never noticed because they trusted their realtor (who steered them to the slick loan officer) and the sweet talking loan officer.

I remember one such young couple. Hispanic, with a good grasp of our language. Two small children. They owed $33000 more than they originally borrowed. Their loan officer has disappeared off the face of the earth, along with the company he worked for. Worse yet, this snake put the customer's Mom and Dad, Uncle and Aunt, and his cousin's family in homes as well, selling them the same type of loan.

It's criminal, shameful, and I was almost in tears by the end of the appointment. No, we should not reward the people who created this mess, but unfortunately I don't see a way out of the foreclosure mess other than the Paulson plan.

358 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:04:26am

re: #355 Ford_Prefect

I thought Alex Rodriguez did that when he signed with them. The Curse Of A-Rod! And now that he is going to be on the team when they open their new stadium I figure that is cursed too. They will never win a championship there.

I can dream, can't I?

:-)

A-Rod did do it. When they signed him, the guys on Sportscenter were saying this was going to be a trade deal and a team people would be "talking about for centuries to come." You don't have talk like that without a lot of blowback!

359 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:05:03am

Mornin' all! Another exciting Wednesday.....or not.

360 flynmudd  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:07:38am

re: #357 BaseballMom57

Question: Is it my responsibility to bail my neighbor out every single time they make a bad decision? When is enough enough by the way? Stupidity is not an excuse.

Call me heartless. There is something called personal responsibility in this country. Maybe if these people were to allowed to fail they would actually learn a lesson!

361 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:07:39am

re: #359 pingjockey

Mornin' all! Another exciting Wednesday.....or not.

Mornin' ping...there're suppose to Bloody Marys being served but I haven't seen any yet...

362 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:07:56am

re: #299 Oldasdirt

Hates demon-crats?

re: #355 Ford_Prefect

I thought Alex Rodriguez did that when he signed with them. The Curse Of A-Rod! And now that he is going to be on the team when they open their new stadium I figure that is cursed too. They will never win a championship there.

I can dream, can't I?

:-)

I think they deserve any curse after the taxpayers subsidised the new stadium that is built mostly for the richest and most elite. It seats less people, and the extra size accomodates private entrances and more plush sky boxes so that the _____s don't have to rub elbows with the unwashed masses that actually came to watch baseball instead of "being seen". Makes me sick! SICK! Babe Ruth is spinning.

363 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:09:30am

re: #361 scottishbuzzsaw
Sounds yummy, but mine has to be virgin. Have to go to work in a couple hours! :(

364 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:09:38am

Any more news on David kennel, the UofT student who hacked Palins Emails?
You know that the MSM will spin this as just a fun loving college prank.
If the Kid was a Republican & did it to BHO, they would be demanding a public execution. Ya know that they would.

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:09:56am

re: #356 Oldasdirt

I think the word is "Poof!"

366 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:10:17am

re: #356 Oldasdirt

Is it just me,,or did the Charlie Rangle tax evasion thing kinda get sweped under the carpet?

He wrote a check and went into "Nothing to see here, move along" mode.

367 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:10:49am

Don't want a bailout? This guy has a better plan.

368 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:11:10am

re: #96 stuiec

Hmmm...I can't stomach Katie, but if she means what she says, maybe it will be a decent interview. Interesting though, that she acknowledges the existence of the "gotcha" questions in Gibson's interview (without coming right out and mentioning him).

369 yochanan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:11:19am

i guess the problem with having 24/7 cable news shows is you got to fill it the time with something i guess the human interest stories do that for them but as tragic as some of these stories are none of them should be considered national news stories. Unqualfified parents hurting or killing there unwanted babies happens saddly all the time. dumb people doing more than stupid things happens all the time. not a good idea for good looking rich or middleclass white girls going to third world countries alone or not well supervised.

370 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:13:11am

re: #360 flynmudd

Question: Is it my responsibility to bail my neighbor out every single time they make a bad decision? When is enough enough by the way? Stupidity is not an excuse.

Call me heartless. There is something called personal responsibility in this country. Maybe if these people were to allowed to fail they would actually learn a lesson!

Amen! I got out of college two years ago and bought a house. Instead of moving out, I rented my house out and have been living with my parents for two years. And let me tell you, after four years on your own, its tough moving back in with the parents. Now I've paid off over half of my modest home, and put up with my parents more than I'd ever dreamed I would be able too.

So where's the payoff for being responsible when you've got the government teet around if you're not?

371 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:14:21am

Good morning LGF friends!


Yuck - I hated Lord of the Flies. Why do they make kids read that stuff?

372 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:14:33am

re: #361 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' ping...there're suppose to Bloody Marys being served but I haven't seen any yet...

I let the fruitcups ferment. Learned how in prison.

373 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:14:35am

re: #369 yochanan

Did ya see it? "Mad Sox Under Metrodome"
They have to take at least one of the next two.

374 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:15:21am

re: #368 BaseballMom57

Hey! Another Baseball Mom! YAY :)

375 jmac1492  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:16:17am

re: #362 HD Woman

Makes me sick! SICK! Babe Ruth is spinning.

If we could have hooked the late Babe up to a generator about 10 years ago, we could have generated enough power for everyone on earth. It's not "clean" power, per se, but it's still a good idea.

376 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:16:50am

re: #360 flynmudd

Question: Is it my responsibility to bail my neighbor out every single time they make a bad decision? When is enough enough by the way? Stupidity is not an excuse.

Call me heartless. There is something called personal responsibility in this country. Maybe if these people were to allowed to fail they would actually learn a lesson!

You are not heartless...what IS heartless is shielding people from the consequences of their poor decisions. Lessons will never be learned if they/we cannot own our errors...

377 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:17:04am

Good morning Lizards............

378 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:17:24am

re: #372 rancher

I let the fruitcups ferment. Learned how in prison.

That's what I like to see - the spirit of entrepreneurship.

379 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:17:43am

Good morning dorian. good morning everyone.

380 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:18:12am

re: #372 rancher

I let the fruitcups ferment. Learned how in prison.

LOL! Now that's an excellent skill to have!

381 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:18:18am

re: #373 opnion

Did ya see it? "Mad Sox Under Metrodome"
They have to take at least one of the next two.

Did the White Sox boof it?

382 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:18:22am

re: #379 mama winger

Good morning dorian. good morning everyone.

Good morning mama ((mama))

383 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:18:40am

re: #377 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards............

Mornin' Grumpy...

384 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:19:22am

re: #383 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' Grumpy...

Morning Marshmallow... ;)

385 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:19:27am

re: #372 rancher

I let the fruitcups ferment. Learned how in prison.

You should have plea bargained. The Plea bargain is even more wonderous than compound interest!

386 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:20:11am

re: #381 mama winger

Did the White Sox boof it?

Oh yeah, it could not have been much uglier.

387 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:20:35am

re: #360 flynmudd

Question: Is it my responsibility to bail my neighbor out every single time they make a bad decision? When is enough enough by the way? Stupidity is not an excuse.

Call me heartless. There is something called personal responsibility in this country. Maybe if these people were to allowed to fail they would actually learn a lesson!

I completely understand your point. I do. I think there were far more "investors" who bought homes with little/no down payment and with grossly overinflated (and unverified) incomes. Those people deserve to lose their shirts.

My perspective sees more of the injustices that were done to people, I think.

388 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:23:42am

re: #385 opnion

No chance to plea my way out of it, I went voluntarily. I was a guard.

389 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:23:50am

re: #112 stuiec

Upding for a Python song!

390 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:25:13am

re: #386 opnion

Oh yeah, it could not have been much uglier.

That's too bad. Where are they in the standings now?

391 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:25:31am

re: #388 rancher

No chance to plea my way out of it, I went voluntarily. I was a guard.

:)

392 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:26:45am

re: #388 rancher

No chance to plea my way out of it, I went voluntarily. I was a guard.

I played a football game against a state prison team. WoW! I never actually considered a life of crime, but if I did that experience would have put me on a different carrer path.

393 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:27:29am

Sun's coming up, reckon I'll get on out there and wake up the chickens. It's gonna be a wonderful day!
re: #297 Moe Katz

What does the HD stand for in your nic? Hard drive? Heavy duty?


Were they just yankin my chain, or does my panhead icon not show up well enough? HD to me will always be Harley Davidson. Wanted to set that straight before I go.

394 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:28:59am

re: #393 HD Woman

Sun's coming up, reckon I'll get on out there and wake up the chickens. It's gonna be a wonderful day!

Were they just yankin my chain, or does my panhead icon not show up well enough? HD to me will always be Harley Davidson. Wanted to set that straight before I go.

Now that's a nice little putt putt....

395 Oldasdirt  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:29:56am

re: #393 HD Woman

Sun's coming up, reckon I'll get on out there and wake up the chickens. It's gonna be a wonderful day!

Were they just yankin my chain, or does my panhead icon not show up well enough? HD to me will always be Harley Davidson. Wanted to set that straight before I go.

Sorry HD,,i got real bad eyesight.

396 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:30:16am

This is something not being discussed. Thank god for Michelle Malkin.

The Mother of All Bailouts has many fathers. As panicked politicians prepare to fork over $1 trillion in taxpayer funding to rescue the financial industry, they’ve fingered regulation, deregulation, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Community Reinvestment Act, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, both Bushes, greedy banks, greedy borrowers, greedy short-sellers, and minority home ownership mau-mauers (can’t call ‘em greedy, that would be racist) for blame.

But there’s one giant paternal elephant in the room that has slipped notice: how illegal immigration, crime-enabling banks and open-borders Bush policies fueled the mortgage crisis.

It’s no coincidence that most of the areas hardest hit by the foreclosure wave — Loudoun County, Va., California’s Inland Empire, Stockton and San Joaquin Valley, and Las Vegas and Phoenix, for starters — also happen to be some of the nation’s largest illegal-alien sanctuaries. Half of the mortgages to Hispanics are subprime (the accursed species of loan to borrowers with the shadiest credit histories). A quarter of all those subprime loans are in default and foreclosure.

397 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:30:39am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today? I gotta fill up my coffee cup..Dorian..need coffee?

398 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:31:09am

Good morning, lizards.
It's 65 sunny degrees here along the Lake Michigan shoreline, another busy workday ahead.

Michelle O. has emailed Barrys' worshippers, urging them to organize "debate watching parties" and invite all of their friends to get in their faces introduce them to Barrys' long-overdue "plan".

I can hardly wait for my first invite.

399 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:31:15am

re: #393 HD Woman

Sun's coming up, reckon I'll get on out there and wake up the chickens. It's gonna be a wonderful day!

Were they just yankin my chain, or does my panhead icon not show up well enough? HD to me will always be Harley Davidson. Wanted to set that straight before I go.

Not Hot Damn then?

400 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:32:29am

re: #397 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today? I gotta fill up my coffee cup..Dorian..need coffee?

Here's the coffee!

Morning HH!

401 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:33:21am

re: #394 doriangrey

Now that's a nice little putt putt....

Yeah! Ya can see it! Thank you very much! :)
Meet my Mr. Breeze, he keeps rollin down the road! We will celebrate 22 years together in January. 1953 50th anniversary model. I'm mighty proud of him.

402 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:33:27am

re: #364 opnion

Any more news on David kennel, the UofT student who hacked Palins Emails?
You know that the MSM will spin this as just a fun loving college prank.
If the Kid was a Republican & did it to BHO, they would be demanding a public execution. Ya know that they would.

"Kennel": A pack of dogs, especially hounds; noun.

Sounds about right.

403 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:34:07am

re: #397 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today? I gotta fill up my coffee cup..Dorian..need coffee?

Me need coffee? Of course I do............. ;)

404 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:34:16am

re: #400 reine.de.tout

Here's the coffee!

Oooo...nice shot...by the way, just caught up on my e-mail this a.m....will be getting back w/recipe today...Good Morning!

405 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:35:45am

re: #357 BaseballMom57

I agree with you to this extent: in the situation you describe, someone got paid for defrauding this family. The money that was the fruit of the fraud went into someone's pocket.

Only a fraction of the transactions (lenders overreaching borrowers) match your description. If I were representing the family, I'd probably put them into bankruptcy, and sue the bank in bankruptcy court for fraud to unwind the transaction. Much faster and cheaper than a conventional lawsuit.

Of course, the loan on the bank's books is bad as well. This sounds like a bank that should fail. Whether bank officers get indicted depends on on far up the chain of command the fraud went.

As for the overall bailout, someone has to unwind all of the bad transactions, and liquidate the bad mortgage loans. Until they're written off, the bad paper will poison the economy. That must be done fast.

Who should be bailed out is the tough political question. The money market almost collapsed last Tuesday. That means if you had money in a money market account, you almost lost it (as did I). Those funds supposedly are federally insured now, but who knows for sure?

To prevent a panic that destroys our economy, the bailout must insulate consumers, and protect their savings. Beyond that, we must have transparent, fair, objective criteria for who gets bailed out, and why.

406 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:01am

re: #398 irish rose

Rose - where along the Lake Michigan shoreline are you? Maybe we are neighbors.

407 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:03am

re: #402 rednaxela

"Kennel": A pack of dogs, especially hounds; noun.

Sounds about right.


God, I wish that I could spell.

408 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:07am

re: #401 HD Woman

Yeah! Ya can see it! Thank you very much! :)
Meet my Mr. Breeze, he keeps rollin down the road! We will celebrate 22 years together in January. 1953 50th anniversary model. I'm mighty proud of him.

And rightly so............ The only problem with having a stud like that in your stable is well, ya might not need any other men in your life... lol...lol...lol...

409 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:08am

Unusually quiet in here this morning....

410 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:20am

re: #399 scottishbuzzsaw

Not Hot Damn then?


Naw, I just popped that off cause I thought at first they were being purposely dense & I hear Hot Damn Woman! a lot.

411 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:39am

re: #398 irish rose

Good morning, lizards.

Mornin' Irish Rose!

412 doppelganglander  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:36:42am

Mornin', all. Just a drive-by to drop a link from the invaluable Stanley Kurtz on the topic of Obama, Ayers and the shady Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Founding Brothers: What's Behind Obama's Early Rise?

413 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:37:07am

re: #407 opnion

God, I wish that I could spell.

ROTFLMAO.... FireFox has a built in spell checker.... It's my best friend.... ;)

414 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:37:14am

re: #406 mama winger

Rose - where along the Lake Michigan shoreline are you? Maybe we are neighbors.


Grand Haven.
I'm on the western shoreline of the state, between Holland and Muskegon.

415 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:38:02am

re: #398 irish rose

Well, according to a rather energetic discussion between Madame Iulius and me, this morning, Barry's plan is merely to use all of Clinton's economic people, just eight years older and slower. I reminded her that she forgot to throw in the obligatory heap of state socialism on top of her happy sundae. She humpfed, and left for work. Working for the MSM.

416 jacksontn  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:38:22am

Good Morning Lizards,

A real nice lizard pointed me in this direction the night ..... sweet Oh, the Happy Star ...... I am going to Hawaii in my mind ......

417 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:38:32am

re: #407 opnion

No, no, you spelled it quite right.

418 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:39:51am

re: #410 HD Woman

Naw, I just popped that off cause I thought at first they were being purposely dense & I hear Hot Damn Woman! a lot.

ROTFLMAO............ One of the worst condominiums I ever face in my life... Is a hot woman on a bad ass Harley.... I can never decide which one to drool over... The hottie, or the hottie riding the hottie..... ;)

419 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:39:57am

re: #261 HD Woman

I love Eddie Arnold - Make the world go away
& Kitty Wells!

I grew up listening to the likes of Eddie Arnold and Burl Ives. My Dad always had music playing. I still love Peggy Lee and Rosemary Clooney.

420 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:40:18am

re: #412 doppelganglander

Mornin', all. Just a drive-by to drop a link from the invaluable Stanley Kurtz on the topic of Obama, Ayers and the shady Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Founding Brothers: What's Behind Obama's Early Rise?

Mornin' doppelganglander, and thanks for the link...

421 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:40:43am

re: #413 doriangrey

Firefox hasn't yet included the name of the Democratic Tennessee representative's son who (allegedly) hacked Sarah Palin's email.

But it will soon.

422 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:41:21am

re: #415 Pullus Iulius

Well, according to a rather energetic discussion between Madame Iulius and me, this morning, Barry's plan is merely to use all of Clinton's economic people, just eight years older and slower. I reminded her that she forgot to throw in the obligatory heap of state socialism on top of her happy sundae. She humpfed, and left for work. Working for the MSM.



Has anyone told her that the MSM is going the way of the dinosaur?

423 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:41:36am

re: #408 doriangrey

And rightly so............ The only problem with having a stud like that in your stable is well, ya might not need any other men in your life... lol...lol...lol...

Cause it shakes me!
It stimulates me!
Oooo it vibrates me!
Thanks! That songs gonna stick with me for a while this am. :) :)

424 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:41:39am

re: #421 rednaxela

Firefox hasn't yet included the name of the Democratic Tennessee representative's son who (allegedly) hacked Sarah Palin's email.

But it will soon.

Add it yourself....

425 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:42:49am

re: #400 reine.de.tout

Here's the coffee!

Morning HH!

Morning reine..good to see you today..

426 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:42:54am

re: #360 flynmudd

On a personal level, you're right, of course. People who are reckless should be permitted to fail. In other words, the system should punish "moral hazard", reckless behavior that endangers yourself or others.

Congress abandoned "moral hazard" in the financial system years ago, however. Congress permitted reckless behavior on a national scale, and lots of people were permitted to be reckless with government encouragement. The situation now is so serious that we may no longer have the luxury of arguing about "moral hazard". If the ship is sinking in heavy seas, and you're aboard, you're wasting time arguing about who put the holes in the hull.

You have to work to stay afloat first, and argue about moral hazard later. Unfortunately, that's where we are right now.

427 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:43:01am

re: #417 rednaxela

No, no, you spelled it quite right.

I'll take that.

428 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:43:58am

re: #418 doriangrey
XOXOXOXO

429 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:44:11am

re: #422 irish rose

Perish the thought! That's half my meal ticket you're talking about.

430 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:45:32am

re: #409 irish rose

I'm lurking, reading spinoffs and comments. I'm here. Slow, but here.
G'morning.

431 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:45:42am

re: #428 HD Woman

XOXOXOXO

ROTFLMAO.... If you click my icon you will notice that I have a certain appreciation of fine machines.... (yes that's my ride)

432 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:46:27am

re: #404 scottishbuzzsaw

Oooo...nice shot...by the way, just caught up on my e-mail this a.m....will be getting back w/recipe today...Good Morning!

Good morning!
Great re: the recipe.

433 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:46:35am

re: #431 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... If you click my icon you will notice that I have a certain appreciation of fine machines.... (yes that's my ride)

For some reason, you don't seem very grumpy anymore, dorian...;>)

434 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:47:02am

re: #429 Pullus Iulius

Perish the thought! That's half my meal ticket you're talking about.

Geeze, sorry to hear that... Ya better stock up the ole freezer now then or starve when the MSM goes down in flames...

435 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:47:17am

I came across this due to a surfing accident:

[Link: majles.alukah.net...]

The Google translator (I know) rendered one apparently deleted comment, replaced with the following:

Your words have been liberated, it is contrary to the terms of the supervisor

/hint hint

436 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:47:19am

re: #431 doriangrey

First thing I thought of----Take two wheels off and call me in the morning.

/from the two-wheeled perspective.

437 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:47:25am

re: #425 HoosierHoops

Morning reine..good to see you today..

and you too! Loved your story the other night about your birthday present!
brought tears to my eyes. . .

438 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:47:59am

re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw

For some reason, you don't seem very grumpy anymore, dorian...;>)

Just dont ask me how much it hurts to fill my gas tank..... :O

439 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:48:49am

re: #414 irish rose

Grand Haven.
I'm on the western shoreline of the state, between Holland and Muskegon.

Oh! I am across the lake from you - on the Wisconsin side.

I'll go outside and wave - look for it :)

440 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:49:12am

re: #419 BaseballMom57

I grew up listening to the likes of Eddie Arnold and Burl Ives.

How come he never sang in Green Acres?

441 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:49:20am

re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw

For some reason, you don't seem very grumpy anymore, dorian...;>)


Yea..scottish..i noticed that also..
*Winks*

442 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:49:23am

re: #438 doriangrey

Just dont ask me how much it hurts to fill my gas tank..... :O

*zips lips*

443 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:49:49am

re: #441 HoosierHoops

Yea..scottish..i noticed that also..
*Winks*

*nudge*

444 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:49:51am

re: #436 Cap'n DOC

First thing I thought of----Take two wheels off and call me in the morning.

/from the two-wheeled perspective.

Gakkk.... Sacrilege...... My baby is a CORVETTE........................... How about we settle for just taking the top off?

445 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:50:09am

Say lizards, I'm looking for a bit of advice.

I'm currently working very long hours with a lot of back-to-back shifts, and I'm burning the candle at both ends. Most of the work that I am doing is with alzheimers' patients, and it's very intense work.

You'd think I could go home at night and get a good nights' sleep... but noooo. I'm bone tired, utterly exhausted, but I still lay there and stare at the damned ceiling all night.

I do get a bit of sleep some nights, but it's all broken up and I feel worse getting up in the morning than I did when I went to bed.

I mean, WTF?
Has anyone else struggled with this kind of thing, and what can I do to make it stop?

446 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:50:14am

Stanley Kurtz just on Fox and Friends talking about the Ayers connection.

447 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:50:40am

re: #445 irish rose

Alcohol.

448 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:52:00am

re: #370 NC State of Mind

You're arguing about moral hazard. See my post #426. We may not have time to work out who's to blame in detail right now. If you understand the big picture, that's sufficient for now.

Bottom line: We need a bailout large enough to protect our own hard-earned savings in our own banks, but small enough to exclude the bad actors.

449 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:52:00am

re: #444 doriangrey

Gakkk.... Sacrilege...... My baby is a CORVETTE........................... How about we settle for just taking the top off?

That depends on whose top. ;-)

450 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:52:09am

re: #445 irish rose

Say lizards, I'm looking for a bit of advice.

I'm currently working very long hours with a lot of back-to-back shifts, and I'm burning the candle at both ends. Most of the work that I am doing is with alzheimers' patients, and it's very intense work.

You'd think I could go home at night and get a good nights' sleep... but noooo. I'm bone tired, utterly exhausted, but I still lay there and stare at the damned ceiling all night.

I do get a bit of sleep some nights, but it's all broken up and I feel worse getting up in the morning than I did when I went to bed.

I mean, WTF?
Has anyone else struggled with this kind of thing, and what can I do to make it stop?

Take two pints of Samuel Adams Boston Lager orally before bed and mail me the $100.00 in the morning. I predict a full recovery in a weeks time...

451 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:52:23am

re: #436 Cap'n DOC

First thing I thought of----Take two wheels off and call me in the morning.

/from the two-wheeled perspective.

I concur with your diagnosis Dr., but we must remember this patient resides in CA and will not get the full effect of your prescription due to the state required blockage of air to the hair follicles.

Very nice car Dorian.

452 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:52:49am

re: #445 irish rose

Alcohol.

That's what works for me but there has to be something better.

453 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:53:01am

re: #449 Ford_Prefect

That depends on whose top. ;-)

ROTFLMAO......................... Nod nod wink wink say no more..... lol...lol...

454 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:54:19am

re: #451 HD Woman

I concur with your diagnosis Dr., but we must remember this patient resides in CA and will not get the full effect of your prescription due to the state required blockage of air to the hair follicles.

Very nice car Dorian.

And if you click my nic you will notice that I have quite a few of those hair follicles... lol...lol...707...

455 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:54:24am

re: #434 doriangrey

Geeze, sorry to hear that... Ya better stock up the ole freezer now then or starve when the MSM goes down in flames...

Well, I was just looking out the window, admiring the fine crop of fat squirrels we have this year. Brunswick stew in my future, perhaps?

456 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:05am

re: #437 reine.de.tout

and you too! Loved your story the other night about your birthday present!
brought tears to my eyes. . .

Thanks..It was awesome..He flies back this evening to camp P.

457 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:21am

re: #452 rancher

That's what works for me but there has to be something better.

I've found that valerian root capsules help...

458 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:26am

re: #455 Pullus Iulius

Well, I was just looking out the window, admiring the fine crop of fat squirrels we have this year. Brunswick stew in my future, perhaps?

First ya kill em, then ya grill em... and it's all good... ;)

459 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:27am

re: #435 OldLineTexan
Mwahahaha!

460 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:30am

Rose -

Is it that your mind won't stop working? When I get like that I unwind it by reading mindless fiction , like a detective novel.

If that doesn't work, I take a stroll with my dog in the cool night air.

461 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:35am

re: #445 irish rose

Say lizards, I'm looking for a bit of advice.

I'm currently working very long hours with a lot of back-to-back shifts, and I'm burning the candle at both ends. Most of the work that I am doing is with alzheimers' patients, and it's very intense work.

You'd think I could go home at night and get a good nights' sleep... but noooo. I'm bone tired, utterly exhausted, but I still lay there and stare at the damned ceiling all night.

I do get a bit of sleep some nights, but it's all broken up and I feel worse getting up in the morning than I did when I went to bed.

I mean, WTF?
Has anyone else struggled with this kind of thing, and what can I do to make it stop?

It's your mind that keeps spinning. You're stressed.
If you can, join a yoga class, part of it is learning to breathe for relaxation. Take the class at least twice a week, 3 times if you can do it.

462 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:55:36am

re: #438 doriangrey

Here, Dorian, is a good alternative for you. You'd probably have to take the hatch off to install the 20 gallon tank, but hey...

463 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:56:34am

re: #460 mama winger

Rose -

Is it that your mind won't stop working? When I get like that I unwind it by reading mindless fiction , like a detective novel.

If that doesn't work, I take a stroll with my dog in the cool night air.

Good one! I read every night, some novel or the other, 'til my eyes start to close. Then I can easily get to sleep.

464 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:57:38am

Work's about ready to take off, here's a pretty cool boat used to catch drug runners for your Wednesday morning enjoyment.

465 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:57:39am

re: #445 irish roseexercises or stretching then drink somethin warm non-alcoholic. I like hot buttered rum w/o the rum.

466 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:58:11am

re: #462 Cap'n DOC

Here, Dorian, is a good alternative for you. You'd probably have to take the hatch off to install the 20 gallon tank, but hey...

Blasphemy........................................ Ye god's some of you people are just plain cruel...............

467 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:58:23am

Another thing I do when I can't sleep:

I recite the Lord's Prayer over and over. It always seems to work. After about 5 rounds, I am out.

/ of course that may say something about my spiritual state :O

468 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:58:47am

re: #451 HD Woman
Hell, it's 15 bucks to put premium in the Dyna fer cryin' out loud! Heh, my 17 year old is now having to put gas in my old work truck since his buddy wrecked my sons car. Talk about whining. Mwahaha!

469 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:59:03am

I think it looks like the McCain/Palin campaign could very well be the beginning of a change to the definition of "choice" to include the choice of life.

470 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 5:59:38am

re: #468 pingjockey

Hell, it's 15 bucks to put premium in the Dyna fer cryin' out loud! Heh, my 17 year old is now having to put gas in my old work truck since his buddy wrecked my sons car. Talk about whining. Mwahaha!

And you are loving every second of it..... ;P

471 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:00:22am

re: #445 irish rose

Exercise, diet, and anything that relieves stress for you. And "burning the candle at both ends" is a metaphor for overdoing it. To take care of yourself, you'll have to cut back sooner or later.

Just remember: Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down! ;-)

472 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:00:39am

re: #460 mama winger

Rose -

Is it that your mind won't stop working? When I get like that I unwind it by reading mindless fiction , like a detective novel.

If that doesn't work, I take a stroll with my dog in the cool night air.


I'm trying to avoid the use of alcohol or sleeping pills, because I'm a single mom and have to be able to wake up at night if the situation calls for it.

Valerian root, maybe?

I do read before bed from time to time, and those are usually the nights that I fall asleep but can't stay asleep.

Ugh :/

473 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:01:02am

re: #470 doriangrey
The only problem now is, I have a company rig to take home and the bike sits during the week. :( She feels neglected!

474 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:01:28am

re: #469 reine.de.tout

I think it looks like the McCain/Palin campaign could very well be the beginning of a change to the definition of "choice" to include the choice of life.

The first thing I did when I heard that Sarah Palin was chosen, was to weep. With joy.

For all the disabled children that may get a second chance at life because of her visible example.

I am Pro-Life. And I vote Pro-Life.

475 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:01:30am

re: #445 irish rose

Talk to your Dr. Ask about Prazosin. It is a BP controlling drug that is used (non-therapeutic dose) to treat PTSD and related sleep disorders. Do some web research on your own before talking to MD.

/I am not pimping a pharmacy

476 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:02:11am

re: #424 doriangrey

Would do if I could.

Meanwhile, being accused of hacking Sarah Palin's email account can get you onto Wikipedia:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

477 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:02:13am

re: #472 irish rose

I've heard that Melanin capsules also help. I think my daughter tried them before. She has terrible insomnia.

478 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:02:33am

Good morning.
----
Mitch Robbins: Hi Curly. Killed anyone today?
Curly: The day ain't over yet...

479 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:02:37am

re: #473 pingjockey

The only problem now is, I have a company rig to take home and the bike sits during the week. :( She feels neglected!

I know the feeling, got oral surgery on the 30th and cant afford to drive my baby till afterwords. So right now she is sitting over at my brothers house collecting dust and being very resentful of me... Damned teeth....

480 NC State of Mind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:03:01am

re: #445 irish rose

I had the same problem about two years ago when I started my job. I started listening to stories or radio shows like Mark Levin on my iPod. As soon as I noticed myself letting my mind wander, I would turn it off and fall right to sleep. After about six months I could tell by the beat of my heart if I would fall asleep when I laid down. If I knew I wouldn't, I would listen to something until I got lost in my thoughts.

481 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:03:20am

re: #474 mama winger

The first thing I did when I heard that Sarah Palin was chosen, was to weep. With joy.

For all the disabled children that may get a second chance at life because of her visible example.

I am Pro-Life. And I vote Pro-Life.

As do I.
If you have not seen this, you absolutely must see it.

482 doriangrey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:04:03am

Well Lizards, I'm off to work again (could have sworn I went just yesterday) almost finished with our newest Government mind control ray device.....

483 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:04:56am

Errands call, alas!

Hope to see you all again later.

484 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:05:13am

re: #21 EIDE_Interface

But at the same time, people who signed for loans they couldn't afford shouldn't be bailed out. Let them suffer.

I agree, losing your house and belongings is not the worst thing that can happen to a person. They can get an apartment and start over.

485 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:06:10am

re: #482 doriangrey
Later on!

486 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:06:53am

re: #481 reine.de.tout

I'm kinda wondering when and where that is going to see some airtime. Very powerful images and message w/o choosing a political party or candidate. It is also very subtle. Biden is a Catholic, but apparently doesn't practice what his Faith teaches.

/Do any of us?

487 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:06:53am

re: #476 rednaxela

Would do if I could.

Meanwhile, being accused of hacking Sarah Palin's email account can get you onto Wikipedia:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I hacked Biden's email account. Nobody cares ...

488 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:06:53am

re: #475 Cap'n DOC

Talk to your Dr. Ask about Prazosin. It is a BP controlling drug that is used (non-therapeutic dose) to treat PTSD and related sleep disorders. Do some web research on your own before talking to MD.

/I am not pimping a pharmacy

This might be a good option, as I do have chronic PTSD.
Thanks, I'll do some research.

I'd LOVE to be able to do the yoga classes, but I'm working very long days and just don't have the time for it.

I suppose I could try back-to-back Hillary speeches.
That might work.

489 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:08:14am

re: #468 pingjockey

Hell, it's 15 bucks to put premium in the Dyna fer cryin' out loud! Heh, my 17 year old is now having to put gas in my old work truck since his buddy wrecked my sons car. Talk about whining. Mwahaha!

No kidding! My old 69 shovel has 5 gal fat bobs, I will NEVER forget the day I put $20 worth of gas in a freakin motorcycle! At least we have gas available though, huh.

490 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:08:26am

re: #481 reine.de.tout

As do I.
If you have not seen this, you absolutely must see it.

Oh. My. Goodness.

What a marvelous wonderful ad! Thank you so much - I will post it around.

Thank you thank you!

491 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:08:45am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards} &#9836 &#9834

Another beeeYOOOOOOOOtiful autumn day in the valley with plenty of sinshine and life is good, thank you Lord.

{dorian} Dear, I think the word you were looking for was "conundrum".

*giggle*

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoochie* How are you today?

492 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:09:27am

re: #474 mama winger

Which leads directly to the SCOTUS issue and this is somethign we haven't heard much about this election cycle.

John Paul Stevens is 88 years old. I mean talk about McCain's age...

The real problem most people should have with Obama -- and I certainly do -- is the thought of this man appointing SCOTUS judges. No way.

493 lori lane  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:10:16am

Good morrrrrrning, Lizzards!

494 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:10:30am

re: #489 HD Woman
That we do. It could be a lot worse. The company has started tacking on a fuel surcharge for service calls outside a 20 mile radius, which here in eastern WA covers most of the territory outside of the Wenatchee Valley!

495 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:11:15am

re: #487 Tigger2005

I wonder what Biden's email account reveals about his sons' million $$$ lobbying activities. Not that anyone in the MSM cares.

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:11:20am

re: #445 irish rose

Hiya Rose!

Melatonin (natural, non-narcotic, non-addictive) works great for me. Doesn't help with insomnia, but certainly helps me with restless sleep.

Any drug store, supplement counter, (5.99 for about a hundred of 'em.)

Maybe you weren't looking for a pill to take. I also understand that snuggling up next to heavy herbivores makes for a good night too;)

(ducks and hides!)

497 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:13:09am

OUCH! FNC just ran a NRA ad about obambi wanting to ban handguns. Used a vet back from Iraq for the spokesman.

498 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:13:39am

re: #492 rednaxela

Which leads directly to the SCOTUS issue and this is somethign we haven't heard much about this election cycle.

John Paul Stevens is 88 years old. I mean talk about McCain's age...

The real problem most people should have with Obama -- and I certainly do -- is the thought of this man appointing SCOTUS judges. No way.

No way.
No how.
NObama.

499 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:14:09am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good for jetlag too.

500 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:14:45am

re: #374 mama winger

Back at ya! Baseball rules. :-)

501 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:14:55am

re: #491 Miss Trixie

Mornin' Miss Trixie...uh, what's 'sinshine?'

502 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:15:21am

re: #498 mama winger
He'd appoint judges that make Ginsberg look like a right winger!

503 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:15:22am

re: #489 HD Woman
Nice ride HD!
Loud pipes save lives!
I took a little trip in 1977 on a 62 glide...
By the time I came home I had rolled up 12,560 miles!
LOL sure was nice to climb in my truck for a while!

504 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:15:56am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya Rose!

Melatonin (natural, non-narcotic, non-addictive) works great for me. Doesn't help with insomnia, but certainly helps me with restless sleep.

Any drug store, supplement counter, (5.99 for about a hundred of 'em.)

Maybe you weren't looking for a pill to take. I also understand that snuggling up next to heavy herbivores makes for a good night too;)

(ducks and hides!)


Haha, good morning FBV ;).

I've heard good things about Melatonin and I might do some research on that as well later today.

505 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:16:01am

re: #491 Miss Trixie

Another beeeYOOOOOOOOtiful autumn day in the valley with plenty of sinshine and life is good, thank you Lord.

Sinshine? Sounds like fun! ;-)

506 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:17:35am

re: #497 pingjockey

OUCH! FNC just ran a NRA ad about obambi wanting to ban handguns. Used a vet back from Iraq for the spokesman.

Those are some great adds!
I'm proud to know mt NRA dues are being put to good use!
Hey all!You don't have to own a gun to be a member!

507 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:17:58am

re: #498 mama winger

Fact of the matter is that presidents have very little to say about abortion, gun control, freedom of speech etc.

But SCOTUS judges do.

508 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:18:20am

re: #503 reloadingisnotahobby

Loud Pipes Save Lives

509 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:18:35am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hmmm starting to think you might not be a total vegitarian FBV :)
A great day to all! Very few chores for me, then I will jump on the sled and go stir up some trouble in person!

510 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:19:34am

re: #506 reloadingisnotahobby
That is the first one I've seen. I guess the NRA and the RNC figure Wash. state is firmly in the blue. Gaaah. It is just the I-5 corridor, but they have the population to run the state.

511 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:19:53am

Who got these sub-prime mortgages? How many are there? Michelle Malkin is claiming that a huge part of this debacle belongs to illegal aliens and their enablers. Maybe she is right. I'd put in the law that no one who obtained a loan through fraud or who has defaulted on a sub-prime mortgage can be eligible for any amnesty or other path to citizenship. I would extend that bar to their children. I would disenfranchise anyone whose is a public charge from being eligible to vote.

How much does the mortgage problem tie into other causes of budgetary expansion? One of the largest reasons for fiscal insolvency is the expanding cost of Medicare and Medicaid. The political backing for increasing the costs of these programs comes from two main lobbying groups. The first is the AARP. The second is the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) which consists of non-professional hospital workers. How many of these loans went to members of that union?

512 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:20:08am

re: #493 lori lane

Good morrrrrrning, Lizzards!


Good morning Lori!
and good morning miss trixie..

513 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:20:50am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (55 degrees, only going up to 74 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

514 BaseballMom57  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:20:53am

re: #405 quickjustice

I agree. I told them to contact an attorney, and if they could not afford one, there is a local agency who provides pro bono work. I have a suspicion this young couple simply had a family meeting and moved out of town, leaving their homes behind.

It was easy to spot these loan officers - during the mortgage boom, they all went out and bought Hummers, boats and toy boxes. They advertised that you too could refinance and/or get a home equity loan and buy such things for yourself. They bought their own homes with 100% financing. One such person has since lost his house and most of his worldly possessions. I did not cry for him.

515 jacksontn  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:21:06am

re: #490 mama winger

Oh. My. Goodness.

What a marvelous wonderful ad! Thank you so much - I will post it around.

Thank you thank you!

That ad needs to get into latino blogs. I am sure latino Catholics could play a big part in getting McCain elected. Obama is playing them as brown/white just like he is playing black/white.

516 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:21:26am

re: #508 Ford_Prefect

Cool !
I'll give it listen later!
Celtic Rock is beatchin!

517 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:22:03am

re: #505 Ford_Prefect

Sinshine? Sounds like fun! ;-)

LOL Ford!
Miss trixie..you got some xplaining to do

518 rednaxela  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:23:33am

re: #511 lifeofthemind

Good point, those 18 million of however many it is now need to live somewhere.

So now GWB wants to spend taxpayer $$$ on bailing out illegal aliens' house deals?

Say no to the bailout.

519 HD Woman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:23:58am

re: #503 reloadingisnotahobby

Cool! 2 of my best freinds ride 62 pans. They have the luxury of shocks. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out later.

520 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:24:02am

re: #516 reloadingisnotahobby

Cool !
I'll give it listen later!
Celtic Rock is beatchin!

I saw them recently at the Eastern States Exposition. They are from Vermont. I bought both of their cd's and they are very good.

521 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:24:05am

re: #510 pingjockey
I wish the NRA would e-mail the Armed Citizen articles to me
I could post them here!
Got to go there web site toread them!
Great stuff!

522 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:25:07am

re: #445 irish rose

I've been there, Rose. What I find helps is exercise (preferably during the day, not at night), eating well and go easy on the coffee and alcohol. If you can't get to a gym for a full workout, try going for a walk; it's free & easier to do. Every little bit helps.

523 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:25:26am

re: #513 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (55 degrees, only going up to 74 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Mornin' realwest! Doing just fine today, and you?

524 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:27:11am

re: #497 pingjockey

OUCH! FNC just ran a NRA ad about obambi wanting to ban handguns. Used a vet back from Iraq for the spokesman.

Why didn't we think of that? Forget the Surge, just ban handguns in Iraq! Problem solved. Thanks, Barry, great idea!

525 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:27:16am

re: #513 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (55 degrees, only going up to 74 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Morning rw, I'm sound as the dollar, how are you?

526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:28:12am

Morning Lizards! Have our new hatchlings behaved themselves overnight?

527 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:29:21am

Realwest - Good morning to you? How is your mother ?

528 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:29:49am

re: #526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Morning Lizards! Have our new hatchlings behaved themselves overnight?


Why should they be any different than the rest of us? :)

529 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:30:34am

Good morning all!

Until you read this....
Ohio Democrats are attempting to suppress the Republican vote.

530 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:30:48am

Morning all, finally home from work and an internet connection I can use. Think I may have a few drinks so I can sleep better today. :p

531 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:31:06am

re: #511 lifeofthemind
Good morning to you my friend! Just wanted to note that the expanding costs of Medicare (a Fed program) and Medicaid are different and of course from different causes. North Carolina, for example, has a lower cut off for Medicaid than all but 4 other states. And a great deal of the cost of Medicare is born by the receipients - it costs over $400 a month to have Medicare A (which is "free) $100 for Medicare B (which you have to get to get other supplemental insurance) and $250 or so for Medicare Part C (which pays the 20% of doctor-inpatient or hospital costs that A&B don't cover at medicare rates). That's paid by each individual getting Medicare! If I had also gotten part "J" (which basically covers you if the doctor(s) or hospitals don't charge you the low medicare rates) then my monthly "premium" for medicare would be just about where I was with Cobra private health insurance.
The problem with AARP (of which I are a member) is that IT chooses the health underwriters for it's members and I strongly suspect that there is some "pay back" to some folks at AARP for getting that health care contract for AARP's members.
There are a lot of reasons why health care costs so much here, but doctors are not the main culprits - I'd look first at the drug companies and the hospitals for the rapidly rising rate of the cost of health care. Why, for example, do the drug companie have to advertise SO MUCH for prescription drugs on TV - don't the doctors already know about those drugs?!?

532 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:31:29am

re: #526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Morning Lizards! Have our new hatchlings behaved themselves overnight?

Looks around for tell tale signs, recent moping up, spots of blood, barbecue still warm?

533 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:31:57am

re: #522 Kenneth

I would like to be able to say that I can do w/o the drug to get a good night's sleep, but I can't - and I do all of what you've suggested. Walking to work (a mile one-way) and swimming a mile five days a week didn't help until my Dr. prescribed the Prazosin. It works. PTSD wrecked my sleep cycle and believe me, I tried every cure known to man before I found (on my own) that this drug was successful in treating sleep disorders due to PTSD.

534 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:32:19am

Democrats need to bail out the financial mess they made.
Leave the rest of us alone.

535 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:32:29am

re: #529 FrogMarch

Read it earlier today. I think it's in the Spinoffs.

536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:33:00am

re: #531 realwest


There are a lot of reasons why health care costs so much here, but doctors are not the main culprits - I'd look first at
the drug companies and the hospitals for the rapidly rising rate of the
cost of health care. Why, for example, do the drug companie have to
advertise SO MUCH for prescription drugs on TV - don't the doctors
already know about those drugs?!?

Advertising for drugs that you can't buy - not without a doctor's say-so, in which case, like you said, he wouldn't need you to tell him to prescribe the drugs in the first place! I don't get it either.

537 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:33:43am

re: #523 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning back atcha - I'm doing ok, I reckon, glad to hear you're doing well!
Y'all got any plans for today (after work I mean) or is this just like any other Wednesday? (I only ask cause lately I seem to miss when other folks say they are going on vacation or taking a few days off or whatever!).

538 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:34:01am

Breaking: Bulldozer and car terrorist attempt foiled near Ramallah.

539 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:34:21am

re: #530 BlueCanuck

Morning all, finally home from work and an internet connection I can use. Think I may have a few drinks so I can sleep better today. :p

Mornin' Blue...

541 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:34:41am

re: #530 BlueCanuck
How far to the east in Canada are you? Or are you working a swing shift?

542 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:34:42am

re: #511 lifeofthemind

Who got these sub-prime mortgages? How many are there? Michelle Malkin is claiming that a huge part of this debacle belongs to illegal aliens and their enablers. Maybe she is right.

I'd doubt that she's right.
I'll have to see some real statistics before I believe it.

Michelle is a great journalist but she has a tendency to be a bit bombastic when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration, and Mexican immigration in particular.

For this reason, her site has become a bit of a magnet for conservative white nationalist wierdos. Visit any thread that has to do with immigration, and you'll see it. One vile poster over there goes by the name of "Rob" and he advocates the mass deportation of Mexicans, both illegal alliens and legal US citizens, solely on the basis of their ethnicity.

Unfortunately, he's not the only one.

543 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:34:59am

re: #525 lifeofthemind
OY! I didn't know you were so sick! LOL!
I'm just fine, well, ok anyway, today!

544 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:36:23am

re: #537 realwest

Good morning back atcha - I'm doing ok, I reckon, glad to hear you're doing well!
Y'all got any plans for today (after work I mean) or is this just like any other Wednesday? (I only ask cause lately I seem to miss when other folks say they are going on vacation or taking a few days off or whatever!).

Just like any other Wednesday, I'm afraid...not that it's a bad thing...both husband and I are in desperate need of a vacation, though. Last one was three years ago...GAH!

545 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:36:42am

re: #527 mama winger
Hey there {mama} good morning to you, too! Mom's doing ok, managing her recently diagnosed Type II diabetes with just diet and exercise - I'm really proud of her for doing that!
How are y'all doing today? How's Lil Winger doing?

546 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:37:18am

re: #541 pingjockey

Night shift. Trying to get off the bloody thing but I don't know if they will let me go. :(

/I'm in charge of the bloody morons at the site.

547 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:37:37am

Don't these church groups understand having a dinner with I'magonnajihad enables his vile message? Are they that willfully blind to his repeated threats to wipe Israel off the map? IOW, a 2nd Holocaust!

548 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:37:53am

re: #535 Cap'n DOC

Read it earlier today. I think it's in the Spinoffs.

Oh good.

"Well, I tell you what, it helps in Ohio that we've got Democrats in charge of the machines," Barack Obama said on Sept. 3.

I think he was talking about Brunner - the partisan secretary of state who is doing her best to bring Chicago elections to Ohio.

549 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:38:12am

re: #533 Cap'n DOC

I'm not against using the right medication when needed. Irish Rose spoke of work related stress, a fairly straight forward situation. PTSD is a much more complicated condition. I'm glad you found a solution that works for you.

550 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:38:44am

Good morning all.
Any newbies get bar-b-qued?

551 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:38:50am

re: #546 BlueCanuck
That sucks! I rather deal with competant smart asses than a herd of dumb asses.

552 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:39:08am

re: #531 realwest

Very much so these costs are subject to state variation, NY State had Pataki, the one man nuclear bomb destroying Republicanism, cut a deal with Dennis Rivera of the SEIU. Those costs went straight to the City as unfunded mandates. Doesn't that sound like what we fought the American Revolution about? My suspicion is that the political personnel expenses are what drives up medical costs even more that drug costs.

I could see considering going back to a ban on lawyers advertising and keeping drug ads off TV. I can see the free speech arguments against that idea.

553 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:40:06am

re: #538 WriterMom

Don't stop at handguns, ban bulldozers & cars too!

554 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:41:44am

re: #544 scottishbuzzsaw

Just like any other Wednesday, I'm afraid...not that it's a bad thing...both husband and I are in desperate need of a vacation, though. Last one was three years ago...GAH!

Vacations are cool..A couple of years ago we tried something we always wanted to do.. We both always wanted to learn how to sail..So we flew to San Diego and spent a week learning how to sail in the bay..

BTW.. good Morning Realwest..

555 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:42:20am

re: #538 WriterMom

Breaking: Bulldozer and car terrorist attempt foiled near Ramallah.


They need entertainment options, like the Old West Bull and Bear fights. Get one terrorist in a tractor at one end othe street and another in a car bomb at the other. Let them play chicken. No matter what the world wins.

556 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:42:43am

re: #552 lifeofthemind

Very
much so these costs are subject to state variation, NY State had
Pataki, the one man nuclear bomb destroying Republicanism, cut a deal
with Dennis Rivera of the SEIU. Those costs went straight to the City
as unfunded mandates. Doesn't that sound like what we fought the
American Revolution about? My suspicion is that the political personnel
expenses are what drives up medical costs even more that drug costs.

I
could see considering going back to a ban on lawyers advertising and
keeping drug ads off TV. I can see the free speech arguments against
that idea.

Can't advertise for cigarettes on TV, lawyers cause at least as much harm
/just kidding, Legal Lizards!

557 lori lane  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:43:10am

re: #512 HoosierHoops

Hey, {HH}! How was the bday ?

558 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:43:34am

re: #547 pingjockey

Don't these church groups understand having a dinner with I'magonnajihad enables his vile message? Are they that willfully blind to his repeated threats to wipe Israel off the map? IOW, a 2nd Holocaust!

Yes
Yes and
Yes

559 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:44:22am

re: #533 Cap'n DOC
Hey Cap'n DOC - the VA prescibed a drug for me called Alexia or Selezia I can't remember the exact name of, for PTSD as an anti-depressant. Said it was the first drug designed specifically for folks with PTSD; unfortunately I wound up being one of the 17% of people who are allegeric to it but my internist prescribed Ambien 12.5 CR as a sleep aid and it works WONDERFULLY WELL. It's a time release tablet that enables me to shut off my brain and keep it shut off while I get 6 or 7 hours of sleep a night.
Y'all might want to give that a try (if you're doctor approves).

560 ciaospirit  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:44:28am

re: #548 FrogMarch

I've been sending emails to Brunner's office wanting to know how exactly they will protect the integrity of the election especially how they will address ACORN who was just caught in Cuyahoga County submitting bad voter regs. A peon got back to me with a non answer. I keep asking anyway and they haven't responded yet.

561 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:44:29am

re: #542 irish rose

That saddens me, I used to go there more. Hope it gets fixed.

562 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:44:49am

re: #547 pingjockey

Ping, sorry if you already saw this yesterday, but here's what I posted on my denomination's site-


I would posit "No". Some pacifist Christians have tried to paint this as a modern-day version of Jesus sitting down to eat with the Tax Collectors, etc.. but there's some crucial differences they fail to see. What was Jesus' purpose for doing that? What equivalent action are we as His followers supposed to take? He accepted their invitation of hospitality and took the Truth to them. He wouldn't have backed down or stayed quiet in the presence of evil or given tacit approval to an unrepentant leader who was in the middle of murdering Christ's people and other innocents. Two women in Tehran are due to be stoned to death next week for adultery which is sadly ironic considering what Jesus said about stoning the adulteress. These church "leaders" who are hosting their very expensive party love the cameras and the press they get and the laudatory comments from the world and therefore will not press him on any injustices because that would be gauche and would ruin their relationship. What good is a relationship if it is not to call evil evil and thus bring the Truth to our world? As you can see, I am very bothered by this injustice in the name of ecumenism and peace.
563 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:44:50am

PIMF Your.
Sigh.

564 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:45:26am

re: #550 Typicalwhitey

Good morning all.
Any newbies get bar-b-qued?

I gather we had an open door yesterday. Welcome to all new lizards.

565 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:45:42am

re: #545 realwest


How are y'all doing today? How's Lil Winger doing?

We are happy as clams ! The CUBS ARE ON THEIR WAY ! ! !

566 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:46:35am

re: #557 lori lane

Hey, {HH}! How was the bday ?

It was great..a great party..At about 4pm right before the game mrs. hoopster left for awhile..When she returned she called my cell and asked me to go into the bedroom for a few minutes.. When I came back there was my son Jordan sitting in my chair on Leave from Camp Pendleton.
I about fainted..Everybody was laughing and clapping and yes there were a few tears..Best present Evah! He goes back to camp P. this evening..

567 irish rose  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:47:19am

I'm off to work, have a good day lizards :).

568 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:47:36am

London's Olympic Park toilets to turn away from Mecca out of respect for Islamic law

Toilet facilities are being built at London's Olympic Park so Muslims will not have to face Mecca while sitting on the loo.

The Olympic Delivery Authority has said it wants to produce an ideal venue for people of all cultures, faiths, ages and abilities for the 2012 Games and beyond.

The Islamic religion prohibits Muslims from facing the Kiblah - the direction of prayer - when they visit the lavatory.

An ODA spokeswoman confirmed that a 'percentage of general toilets would not face Mecca' out of sensitivity.

She could not say how many toilets would turn away from the East.

Also as part of the design, special washing facilities will be linked to Islamic prayer rooms.

/what a farce

569 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:48:02am

re: #536 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Yup and I swear you can see an ad for a different type of prescription medication AT LEAST three times per hour of TV.
What, am I supposed to say to my doctor "Hey Doc, have you ever heard of "X" and expect him or her to say no?!?!
And add to that the cost of the drug companies buying catered HOT lunches for doctors' offices and all the folks who work there and I'd wage it adds up to a tidy little sum!

570 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:48:05am

re: #566 HoosierHoops

It was great..a great party..At about 4pm right before the game mrs. hoopster left for awhile..When she returned she called my cell and asked me to go into the bedroom for a few minutes.. When I came back there was my son Jordan sitting in my chair on Leave from Camp Pendleton.
I about fainted..Everybody was laughing and clapping and yes there were a few tears..Best present Evah! He goes back to camp P. this evening..

Oh HH, what a wonderful gift...must go dry my eyes now...

571 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:48:22am

re: #566 HoosierHoops

I love that story.

572 lori lane  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:48:41am

re: #566 HoosierHoops

. When I came back there was my son Jordan sitting in my chair on Leave from Camp Pendleton.

WOW. What a fantastic surprise! I'm so happy for you!

re: #566 HoosierHoops

573 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:48:55am

re: #556 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can't advertise for cigarettes on TV, lawyers cause at least as much harm
/just kidding, Legal Lizards!

I have heard of Legal Beagles, I have heard of Legal Eagles, I have even heard of Legal Sharks.
Now we have Legal Lizards, it really is a zoo at the court house.

574 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:49:30am

re: #566 HoosierHoops

When I came back there was my son Jordan sitting in my chair on Leave from Camp Pendleton.
I about fainted..Everybody was laughing and clapping and yes there were a few tears..Best present Evah! He goes back to camp P. this evening..

Excellent! That beats a tie or golf club all to hell. Say a thanks to him for us Lizards, huh?

575 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:49:40am

re: #568 Killian Bundy

London's Olympic Park toilets to turn away from Mecca out of respect for Islamic law

/what a farce

I'd pay more for toilets that do face Mecca.

576 ciaospirit  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:50:22am

re: #568 Killian Bundy

The Islamic religion prohibits Muslims from facing the Kiblah - the direction of prayer - when they visit the lavatory.

Mohammad (piss be upon him) thought of everything. What a guy!

577 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:50:48am

re: #568 Killian Bundy


Toilet facilities are being built at London's Olympic Park so Muslims will not have to face Mecca while sitting on the loo.

But... now they face them when they piss! What a 3rd grade religion!

578 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:50:51am

re: #562 Spenser (with an S)

Great letter. Well done.

579 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:18am

re: #542 irish rose
Good morning Rose! Hope you're doing better - and my suggestion to Cap'n DOC about Ambien 12.5 CR is something you might want to consider looking into yourself.
As for Michelle Malkin's site " her site has become a bit of a magnet for conservative white nationalist wierdos."
I agree and don't understand it. SHE isn't for the mass deportation of even illegal immigrants much less all members of any ethnic groups, so I don't see why the WN wierdos go to her site.

580 jaunte  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:22am

re: #568 Killian Bundy

If they face away from Mecca, doesn't that mean they flush in the direction of Mecca?

581 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:28am

re: #558 lifeofthemind
WHY?! Do they hate Israel? Or are they just stupid?

582 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:28am
583 ciaospirit  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:49am

re: #568 Killian Bundy

Also as part of the design, special washing facilities will be linked to Islamic prayer rooms.

I'd like to know what accommodations they're making for other religions.

584 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:52am

re: #566 HoosierHoops

It was great..a great party..At about 4pm right before the game mrs. hoopster left for awhile..When she returned she called my cell and asked me to go into the bedroom for a few minutes.. When I came back there was my son Jordan sitting in my chair on Leave from Camp Pendleton.
I about fainted..Everybody was laughing and clapping and yes there were a few tears..Best present Evah! He goes back to camp P. this evening..

Are you serious! WOW ! How great is that ! ! !

585 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:51:54am

re: #566 HoosierHoops

*grins*

586 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:52:13am

re: #569 realwest

Yup and I swear you can see an ad for a different type of prescription medication AT LEAST three times per hour of TV.
What, am I supposed to say to my doctor "Hey Doc, have you ever heard of "X" and expect him or her to say no?!?!
And add to that the cost of the drug companies buying catered HOT lunches for doctors' offices and all the folks who work there and I'd wage it adds up to a tidy little sum!

Granted, I do need Cialis - I don't see how I can sit on a hillside in separate bathtubs from older women without it!

587 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:52:20am

re: #559 realwest

G'morning, Real!

Glad you found something that worked for you. I found the Prazosin on my own, and asked the VA Dr. to prescribe it for me - which he did, after discovering through the VA network that it was being prescribed for ME vets returning with PTSD. I'm happy with what I've got - it curbed the nightmares and helped me get on a sleep cycle that gets me 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep.

588 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:52:45am

re: #562 Spenser (with an S)
They are terribly misguided or are willing idiots for evil.

589 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:52:48am

re: #544 scottishbuzzsaw
THREE YEARS AGO - lemme guess - you're self employed, right?
IF not, and if you have accrued vacation time I can't begin to urge you strongly enough to TAKE SOME OF IT! LOL!

590 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:54:01am

re: #578 mama winger


re: #562 Spenser (with an S)

Great letter. Well done.

Thanks, Mama. That means a lot coming from you. I had to tone down my language a little in spite of what I think of that tiny madman but I hope the point came across.

591 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:54:41am

Canadian election polls:

CON 38%
LIB 27%
NDP 21%
BQ 8%
GRN 6%

Given that the Liberals have lurched far to the left, the only party on the right is the Conservatives. That means 4 parties will be dividing the opposition vote. It's interesting to look at two provincial polls: Quebec,

CON 24%
LIB 18%
NDP 16%
BQ 34%
GRN 7%

The Bloc is leading, but the Conservatives have gained a few points while the Liberals have slipped. Remarkably, the NDP which has never done well in Quebec, has doubled support since the last election. Not enough to actually win a seat, but they will play spoilers to the Liberals.

And in BC, the Greens are getting their most support, which cuts into the Liberals & NDP. Leaving the Conservatives to take the seats.

CON 42
LIB 21
NDP 24
GR 13

It's looking like a Conservative majority for Stephen Harper on election day, October 14.

592 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:54:41am

re: #554 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops - and good morning back atcha! How are you today?

593 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:55:01am

re: #580 jaunte

If they face away from Mecca, doesn't that mean they flush in the direction of Mecca?

My thought was that if they face away from Mecca doesn't that mean you are mooning Mecca when you pull down your pants?

594 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:55:50am

megyn kelly is absolutely smacking down an obama flak on fox right now. she is awesome

595 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:55:53am

re: #591 Kenneth
Good luck up there! Damn papers here hardly cover it! And I'm just a 3 hour drive from the border her in WA. state.

596 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:56:10am

re: #589 realwest

Good morning real.

I see the market is up slightly in the early going, and Warren Buffett is buying up bargains. Oil is down almost $3, gold is up $12.

597 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:56:22am

re: #594 _RememberTonyC
Smackin' him around like a pinata!

598 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:56:47am

Good morning, Lizards.

King: Why can't all of the nations in the area, including the State Of Israel, work this out peacefully?

Dinnerjacket: Israel belongs in Europe. Let the people of the region vote and follow their wishes.

Dinnerjacket: Iran is a peaceful, beautiful nation, we are a great people, Larry. The IAEA has our full cooperation and after numerous inspections they have found that our nuclear development is for peaceful means only.

King: President Ahmadinejad, I believe I can speak for the American people. We believe you are a man of peace and we hope a peaceful vote will come for the people and by the people of the region soon.

Dinnerjacket: You must visit my country soon, we have many free Jewish people in Iran.

King: I plan to visit next year Mr. President.

Larry King SUCKS! That was the worst interview I've ever seen. Ahmadinejad comes off as an elitist prick and King sucks up to him the whole interview. Next time give the interview to O'Reilly.

// rant off

599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:56:50am

re: #591 Kenneth

Kenneth, as you live in Canada, but are a keen observer of American politics, what do you think of the differences between your multi-party Parliamentary style elections & our in-practice two party elections?

600 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:56:56am

re: #565 mama winger
Yeah they sure are! Think it'll be an all Chicago World Series (hopefully take the sting out of Obama's defeat in November!)?

601 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:57:25am

re: #579 realwest

As for Michelle Malkin's site " her site has become a bit of a magnet for conservative white nationalist wierdos."
I agree and don't understand it. SHE isn't for the mass deportation of even illegal immigrants much less all members of any ethnic groups, so I don't see why the WN wierdos go to her site.

It just makes me more thankful that Charles drew such a hard line in the sand. No haters means no haters. I think Michelle mis-underestimated them and their ideology and now would have to flush the site and hit restart.

602 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:57:35am

I lifted this thought from a post on john batchelor's website ... it is great advice for mccain and his strategic advisors:

I personally think that Todd Palin needs to be out speaking to Union workers in all the states where there is a close race. Send the children to stay with grand parents for the next two weeks. Then surely there are other family members that can do Todd's job for a few days at a time each week. It could make a mountain of difference in a union area.


so true ... are you reading this, fellas?

603 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:57:38am

re: #593 Ford_Prefect

My thought was that if they face away from Mecca doesn't that mean you are mooning Mecca when you pull down your pants?

Well, the symbol of islam is a Moon, so they're cool with it.

604 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:57:41am

I am kind of new here, hello :) I've watched you lizazrds for what seems like years, kinda feel like I know ya. I think you guys and girls are probably the smartest green bloggers I've ever seen. Question. I wonder how long it would take the US GVT to print $1,000,000,000 public tax dollar bills. How much time would the printing press have to run. Then think how many hours the tax payer would work to earn the same. Just curious.

605 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:57:45am

re: #598 jorline
Larry King speaks for moonbats only! Not me. What an asshat!

606 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:57:47am

re: #591 Kenneth

Wow. Canada has it's own government? Who knew. ;-)

///

607 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:58:14am

By the way, condolences to Yankees fans on being eliminated from post season play (soon to be joined by the White Sox).

You guys had a great run

608 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:58:22am

re: #592 realwest

Hi ya Hoops - and good morning back atcha! How are you today?


Absolutely great..Did you watch Larry King last night?
what a joke..Dinnerjacket loves the jews it's just those terrible Zionists that are ruining everything...Die Zionist die!
What a wack job...

609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #600 realwest

Yeah they sure are! Think it'll be an all Chicago World Series (hopefully take the sting out of Obama's defeat in November!)?

Or the general sting of just living in Chicago?

610 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:58:50am

re: #605 pingjockey

Larry King speaks for moonbats only! Not me. What an asshat!

Larry King has never spoken for me!

611 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:59:23am

re: #581 pingjockey

WHY?! Do they hate Israel? Or are they just stupid?

Antagonism to Israel and to America mutually reinforce in a positive feedback loop. To ask which is primary is a chicken and egg question.
1. Jews in Israel, classic and Islamic anti-semitism mutually reinforce
2. To humiliate and weaken America. Reasons to hate America only partly related to hatred for Israel and Jews but many do see Jews=NYC=USA.

Do not assume they are stupid and underestimate them.

612 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:59:24am

re: #600 realwest

Good morning, RW...hope all is well for you today. The weather temps sound great.

613 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:59:26am

re: #602 _RememberTonyC

Thanks quite an idea. I know a big union boss, think I'll give him a call and suggest he try and do it.

614 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:59:40am

re: #597 pingjockey

she spanked him (bill burton) and sent him to his room ... megyn kelly is clearly a future superstar. she's a lawyer, is knockout gorgeous, and she takes shit from nobody. she grew up in upstate NY and also went to Syracuse ...

615 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 6:59:52am

re: #586 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey ROFL! Yeah, hell if every guy/girl had the situations that these get up ads show, no one would need the damn drugs except for those who are physically impaired.

616 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:00:39am

re: #604 ratso

I am kind of new here, hello :) I've watched you lizazrds for what seems like years, kinda feel like I know ya. I think you guys and girls are probably the smartest green bloggers I've ever seen. Question. I wonder how long it would take the US GVT to print $1,000,000,000 public tax dollar bills. How much time would the printing press have to run. Then think how many hours the tax payer would work to earn the same. Just curious.

They don't have to actually print the dollars. They expand the money supply by adding to the deposits on account that these entities hold with the Federal Reserve Bank. It happens in an instant.

617 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:00:46am

re: #604 ratso

Welcome, ratso. I haven't had enough coffee to answer your question but I see 3 wood in the house and he usually takes the financial questions.

618 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:00:56am

re: #611 lifeofthemind
Stupid as in lacking sense, not stupid in the cunning they use. I should've been a little clearer.

619 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:01:21am

re: #613 ratso


bravo ratso

ratso rizzo?

620 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:01:26am

re: #594 _RememberTonyC

megyn kelly is absolutely smacking down an obama flak on fox right now. she is awesome


She is married
/sighs

621 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:01:31am

re: #607 3 wood

By the way, condolences to Yankees fans on being eliminated from post season play (soon to be joined by the White Sox).

You guys had a great run

Oh yes. I feel soooo bad for them.

Bwahahahahahahaha

622 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:01:42am

re: #569 realwest

Yup and I swear you can see an ad for a different type of prescription medication AT LEAST three times per hour of TV.
What, am I supposed to say to my doctor "Hey Doc, have you ever heard of "X" and expect him or her to say no?!?!
And add to that the cost of the drug companies buying catered HOT lunches for doctors' offices and all the folks who work there and I'd wage it adds up to a tidy little sum!

I did that once. I spent six months writing down the names of drugs advertised on TV that I had no idea about, but "should ask my doctor about whether I need .....".

My doc listened to the list, and burst out laughing. He said "do you even know what some of those are for?"

I said "nope. I couldn't get that far into the commercials. The commercials just say I should be asking you, so I thought I'd make a list up".

He was suprised at the length of the list (I had 19 items), and I think he used the extra-frozen stethoscope.

623 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:01:44am
624 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:01:47am

Time to tackle the quotidian...hope you all have a most excellent day. And until we meet again, do try to stay out of trouble. ;>)

625 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:02:14am

See, ratso. 3 wood's on it like Obama on an Acorn grant!

626 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:02:41am

re: #604 ratso

I am kind of new here, hello :) I've watched you lizazrds for what seems like years, kinda feel like I know ya. I think you guys and girls are probably the smartest green bloggers I've ever seen. Question. I wonder how long it would take the US GVT to print $1,000,000,000 public tax dollar bills. How much time would the printing press have to run. Then think how many hours the tax payer would work to earn the same. Just curious.

welcome newbe.. I think somebody did the math at the pricetag of a 700 billion bail-out is something like 40,000 dollars debt for every man, woman and child..
So perhaps you'll need to put off buying the new Lexus this year.

627 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:02:45am

re: #616 3 wood
I understand that 3. Just thinking if we printed the $s. Come on, I told ya I was new here and I'm just trying to initiate a discussion. Golly.

628 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:02:53am

re: #513 realwest

Good morning Realwest! Fall is here, we should have no fear. With the rats in congress posturing and preening while the country rolls over, I've been in a Stan Rogers - Mary Ellen Carter mood. Perhaps it's the line
For we couldn't leave her there, you see, to crumble into scale.
She'd saved our lives so many times, living through the gale
And the laughing, drunken rats who left her to a sorry grave
They won't be laughing in another day. . .
And you, to whom adversity has dealt the final blow
With smiling bastards lying to you everywhere you go
Turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain
And like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

629 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:03:20am

re: #623 kcladderman

ot

Most shocking news ever!

Tell Clay he can find true peace in Iran.

630 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:03:29am

re: #591 Kenneth
Good morning my friend - that is indeed some good news!
Now if y'all could a) cut loose Quebec and b) get rid of National Health Care, then I'd consider moving up there (won't all you Canadians be lucky! lol!).

631 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:03:29am

re: #619 _RememberTonyC

bravo ratso

ratso rizzo?


ahihhh, you recognized me didn't ya?

632 pingjockey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:03:47am

Later folks. Y'all have a fine day.

633 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:04:03am

re: #590 Spenser (with an S)

It's looking like a Conservative majority for Stephen Harper on election day, October 14.

The Lib knives will be out for Dion within minutes.

634 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:04:15am

re: #575 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'd pay more for toilets that do face Mecca.

I dunno.

If you're facing directly AWAY from Mecca, isn't that a tad bit MORE insulting, given human "geometry"?

635 Iron Fist  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:04:45am

re: #598 jorline

King: President Ahmadinejad, I believe I can speak for the American people. We believe you are a man of peace and we hope a peaceful vote will come for the people and by the people of the region soon.


I don't recall me giving Larry King the authority to speak for me. What an amazingly condecending thing to say.
636 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:04:45am

re: #623 kcladderman

ot

Most shocking news ever!

I for one am stunned.

/

637 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:05:13am

We just had a fire drill.

And there was only 1 fireman there.

/bummer

BIG FIRE DRILL IS RIPPING ME OFF

638 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:05:20am

re: #596 3 wood
Yep. I don't like Buffett personally, but he knows good investments when he see's 'em. Other than buying a huge chunk of Goldman Sachs, what has he bought today?!

639 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:05:31am

re: #624 scottishbuzzsaw

later scottishbuzzsaw. My problem right now is that I am staying out of too much trouble. Life has become boring and listless. ;)

640 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:05:34am

re: #620 lifeofthemind

megyn may be married, but she belongs to ALL of us viewers! I'd pay money to watch a show on FOX co-hosted by megyn and julie banderas. julie is even more feisty than megyn, and tough as nails. remember how she gutted those religious freaks who were protesting at the funerals of our fallen soldiers?

641 bosforus  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:05:52am

Utah
Police force officer forced to used the word "force" four times during quote. You are not forced to read this. This is not a farce.
[Link: www.ksl.com...]

Farmington Police Chief Wayne Hansen said, "At the conclusion of that it was forced into a deadly force situation with an officer forced to use deadly force on the subject, resulting in his death."


Roger that, Roger.

643 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:06:41am

re: #631 ratso

LOL ... "everybody's talkin" ...

644 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:06:45am

You know who I haven't see in a long time?

Beagle...anyone seen Beagle around here?

645 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:06:59am

re: #638 realwest

I bought 1000 shares of AIG yesterday, making money already :)

646 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:07:17am

re: #601 Spenser (with an S) Good morning - yes, I agree and I really do think she should do that - it really hurts her site's credibility a lot! Not that she'd ask ME for advice, mind you!

647 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:07:37am

re: #564 Ford_Prefect

I gather we had an open door yesterday. Welcome to all new lizards.

267 registered

648 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:07:51am

re: #591 Kenneth

It's looking like a Conservative majority for Stephen Harper on election day, October 14.

Hopefully-although I am really pissed that they bounced out Chris Reid.

649 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:07:51am

Good morning World of Lizards. Going to be a busy day and I'll only be able to check in once in a while. Keep up the good fight.

Someone sent me this website from Fact Check dot org. Aren't all these kinds of websites always a tad poltical?

650 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:07:55am

re: #580 jaunte

If they face away from Mecca, doesn't that mean they flush in the direction of Mecca?

You're going to make their heads explode with that kind of logic.
Must . . . not . . . do . . . anything . . . while . . . facing . . . Mecca . . . or . . .facing . . . away . . . from . . . Mecca . . . or . . . facing . . . sideways . . . to . . . Mecca . . . - argh!

651 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:08:00am

re: #627 ratso

I understand that 3. Just thinking if we printed the $s. Come on, I told ya I was new here and I'm just trying to initiate a discussion. Golly.

OK, I'm sort of the resident economist and I'm just used to answering questions like that, is all.

Welcome to the place, by the way.

Warren Buffett seems to think things will work out with the economy:

Buffett sees some form of Paulson plan passing

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Billionaire investor Warren Buffett said Wednesday he believes some form of Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's rescue plan for the U.S. financial system will pass, adding that he wouldn't have invested in Goldman Sachs this week otherwise.
Paulson has asked for authority to spend $700 billion of taxpayer money to buy soured assets in the U.S. financial system to allow it to recapitalize and begin lending again.
"If I didn't think the government was going to act, I wouldn't have done anything," Buffett said Wednesday during an interview with the CNBC news network.
Buffett said it was clear to him that action is needed and that the financial markets remain in "a very, very difficult situation. The market could not have taken another week like the one that was developing last week."

Yep.

652 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:08:37am

re: #636 Ford_Prefect

I for one am stunned.

/


yea.. Clay is a sweet kid with good pipes..
I figured he was gay..I hope he finds happiness in this world.

653 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:03am

re: #599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Now that's a question for a graduate thesis!

The two systems each have pros & cons. The parliamentary system has an electoral college built into it, which is good. But there is no separation of the executive & legislative functions, which can be problematic. On the other hand, the PM is obliged to answer to parliament during Question Period, several times a month during parliamentary sessions. Can you imagine the President being required to go to congress a couple times a week and answer questions from members? It helps keep the gov't honest and requires a good ability to think on one's feet. It works both ways too, as the Loyal Opposition is required to account for itself as well.

One of the biggest differences is in the election process. Only about 3% of Canadians actually belong to a political party, which means party leaders are chosen mostly by party activists. We don't have party primaries as the US does. And in federal elections, Canadians vote only for the candidate running in one's own riding, not for the PM. Party leaders tend to run in "safe ridings" to be sure to get into parliament.

654 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:10am

re: #618 pingjockey

Stupid as in lacking sense, not stupid in the cunning they use. I should've been a little clearer.


There is a difference between Stupidity and Idiocy. In a non-clinical sense, these words have different meanings in formal language, stupidity refers to an intellectual failing and idiocy refers to a moral failing. When Perikles delivered his Funeral Oration he castigated people who did not participate in politics or contribute to the state as "useless." He called them Idiots.

655 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:25am

re: #647 midwestgak

267 registered


yes, yesterday was the beginning of my first birthday as a lizard and I've grown my tail longer overnight

656 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:31am

re: #607 3 wood
Hey my friend - yeah, we had a great run, and I just wish we coulda brought the World Series back to the real Yankee Stadium one more time.
But - how about those GIANTS! Those World Champion New York Giants!
(trying to look on the bright side, here!).

657 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:35am

re: #650 reine.de.tout

Flushes are vertically oriented.

Mecca is a bit east of north on a great circle route from most of the USA.

Outhouse doors traditionally have a crescent. Why?

658 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:39am

re: #649 Golem Akbar

Good morning World of Lizards. Going to be a busy day and I'll only be able to check in once in a while. Keep up the good fight.

Someone sent me this website from Fact Check dot org. Aren't all these kinds of websites always a tad poltical?

Michelle Malkin's take on FactCheck.org: FactCheck.org is useless

659 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:09:45am

re: #580 jaunte

Ha!

660 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:10:25am

re: #657 Ojoe

I'd like to flush that "memorial" crescent down the toilet.

661 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:11:14am

re: #660 WriterMom

Yes it is an insult.

662 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:11:33am

Now oil is back up $3 and the Dow is down about 20. This market is bouncing all over the place, waiting on some sort of clear direction from Congress.

Home sales dropped by 2.2%, more than was anticipated.,

663 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:11:33am

re: #608 HoosierHoops
No, I didn't. Don't even know what channel number Communist News Network is!
I figured Larry would do his thing - suck up to a "big deal" (in a truly small man) just to boost his ratings.
Wonder if Mr. King knows how many people in the US really, REALLY dislike him?!

664 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:11:44am

re: #630 realwest

Hey, Quebec ain't so bad. The asshole separatists are slowly declining in popularity. Small town Quebecers are natural conservatives.

665 kcladderman  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:11:53am

re: #641 bosforus

Roger Victor Vector

666 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:02am

re: #657 Ojoe

Flushes are vertically oriented.

Mecca is a bit east of north on a great circle route from most of the USA.

Outhouse doors traditionally have a crescent. Why?

Well, yes, I guess flushes are indeed vertically oriented. Thus - must not do anything while sitting on top of Mecca?

No clue about the crescent on outhouse doors, the critical question is: Do they face toward, away from or sideways to Mecca? If so, then I guess they should not be used.

667 OldLineTexan  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:06am

re: #657 Ojoe

Flushes are vertically oriented.

Mecca is a bit east of north on a great circle route from most of the USA.

Outhouse doors traditionally have a crescent. Why?

Ask and ye shall receive.

668 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:11am

re: #660 WriterMom

I'd like to flush that "memorial" crescent down the toilet.


Do you suppose the muslims invented the outhouse? Gosh, It has a cresent on the door doesn't it?

669 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:20am

re: #650 reine.de.tout

You're going to make their heads explode with that kind of logic.
Must . . . not . . . do . . . anything . . . while . . . facing . . . Mecca . . . or . . .facing . . . away . . . from . . . Mecca . . . or . . . facing . . . sideways . . . to . . . Mecca . . . - argh!

mecca mecca high, mecca hidey high.

670 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:28am

re: #598 jorline
Good morning jorline! How are you doing/feeling this morning?

671 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:36am

jimmy carter is being held as a political prisoner by the DNC. I demand an immediate investigation into howard dean and george soros' involvement in his disappearance.

/need I?

but seriously folks ... i think obama had him institutionalized to keep him quiet.

672 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:12:42am

re: #660 WriterMom

I'd like to flush that "memorial" crescent down the toilet.

Me too. It is a complete insult.

673 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:13:01am

re: #648 WriterMom

It's looking like a Conservative majority for Stephen Harper on election day, October 14.

Hopefully-although I am really pissed that they bounced out Chris Reid.

Yes, for expressing the shocking! opinion that maybe Canadians ought to be allowed to carry handguns. Oh the outrage!

674 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:13:05am

re: #655 ratso

yes, yesterday was the beginning of my first birthday as a lizard and I've grown my tail longer overnight

Welcome. A lot of nice people here as you probably already know.

675 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:13:47am

re: #635 Iron Fist

I don't recall me giving Larry King the authority to speak for me. What an amazingly condecending thing to say.

King never said that directly, but interview and line of questioning sent that message. Pre-CNN, King conducted good interviews. He interviewed Billy Graham about twenty years ago and asked questions I would have asked...great questions. Last night sucked.

676 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:14:24am

re: #650 reine.de.tout

You're going to make their heads explode with that kind of logic.
Must . . . not . . . do . . . anything . . . while . . . facing . . . Mecca . . . or . . .facing . . . away . . . from . . . Mecca . . . or . . . facing . . . sideways . . . to . . . Mecca . . . - argh!

No wonder they end up full of .....

677 mama winger  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:14:24am

re: #660 WriterMom

I'd like to flush that "memorial" crescent down the toilet.

I love feisty Jewish Canadians ! :)


How are you today, WM? I'd like to say and chat but my daughter wants to go car shopping. For a BIG SUV !

This can only mean one thing: Possible Grandchildren

I have to run run run before she changes her mind ............


:) see ya's all later

678 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:14:37am

re: #604 ratso
Good morning ratso! Uh, whaddya mean "the smartest green bloggers I've ever seen."
Just drop the word green and you'll have it about right!
LOL!
Welcome aboard LGF!

679 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:14:41am

yeah, i luv em..re: #674 midwestgak

680 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:15:04am

re: #652 HoosierHoops

yea.. Clay is a sweet kid with good pipes..
I figured he was gay..I hope he finds happiness in this world.

Kathy Griffin has been saying Clay (Gay Aiken) was gay for quite some time, now. I don't really like her, but I guess she knows gay when she sees it.

681 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:15:12am

MICHELLE MALKIN ON FOX NOW TALKING ABOUT THE JAWA REPORT

682 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:15:26am

Michelle Malkin is on FOX talking about the Jawa Report.

683 SummerSong  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:15:52am

Michele Malkin on FOX news laying out the ES Winter, "Astroturfing" saga.

684 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:00am

re: #656 realwest

Hey my friend - yeah, we had a great run, and I just wish we coulda brought the World Series back to the real Yankee Stadium one more time.
But - how about those GIANTS! Those World Champion New York Giants!
(trying to look on the bright side, here!).

I think the Giants are a stronger team now than they were last year. Does not mean they will repeat, but they are better overall at this point.

The Bears just cut their 3rd round draft choice from the 2005 draft, a bad, often injured receiver (do the Bears get any other kind) name Mark Bradley.

So they have a grand total of 1 draft pick left from the 2005 draft, Kyle Orton. The problem with that is your drafts from 3 and 4 years ago should be the backbone of your team today.

I'm sticking with my 5 and 11 prediction for the Bears, and it may have been optimistic. We could easily go a 1 and 15 here.

685 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:03am

re: #598 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.
. . .
Larry King SUCKS! That was the worst interview I've ever seen. Ahmadinejad comes off as an elitist prick and King sucks up to him the whole interview. Next time give the interview to O'Reilly.

// rant off

Good morning, Jorline!

Yes, Larry King sucks big-time, which is why I just don't watch him. He does indeed suck up to his guests, and his intereviews are dull and boring boring boring.

686 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:22am

megyn and michelle ... go girls

687 SummerSong  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:31am

LOL I should read the thread before I post...

688 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:40am

OT: Questionable Judgement Award Goes To....
Why do I feel like I am channeling Ben Hur?

689 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:43am

re: #620 lifeofthemind
"She is married" - uh, happily?!

690 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:55am

In 1945, Aneurin Bevan, a leading Labour politician, said: "Britain is an island bedded on coal and surreounded by fish; only an organizing genius could produce a coal shortage and a fish shortage simultaneously."
Socialism soon producted that.

-- George Will

691 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:16:57am

re: #647 midwestgak

267 registered

Seriously? Wherever will we put them all?

692 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:04am

Oh geez, market is now down another 41 points.

Keep screwing around Congress, and see what happens.

693 Knuckles  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:06am

Quick, Michelle Malkin on Fox talking about Rusty and the Jawa Report!

694 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:40am

re: #670 realwest

Good morning jorline! How are you doing/feeling this morning?

I'm having a great day today...thanks. Meds are doing there stuff...no complaints. Did you see the Larry King interview last night?

695 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:42am

re: #657 Ojoe

Flushes are vertically oriented.

Mecca is a bit east of north on a great circle route from most of the USA.

Outhouse doors traditionally have a crescent. Why?

1. More South of East I think.

2. to let the spiders out

696 ciaospirit  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:44am

re: #598 jorline

King: President Ahmadinejad, I believe I can speak for the American people.

Arrogant Fuck, you don't speak for me. Ever.

697 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:44am

re: #656 realwest

Hey my friend - yeah, we had a great run, and I just wish we coulda brought the World Series back to the real Yankee Stadium one more time.
But - how about those GIANTS! Those World Champion New York Giants!
(trying to look on the bright side, here!).

Hi Real. The Mets are going for the Wild Card. They are a game up.
If they come in as a Wild Card, they will play the Cubs.
Santana would be penciled in twice. So much for the Cubs.
You must have worked quite a while in the Big Apple?

698 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:47am

re: #657 Ojoe


Outhouse doors traditionally have a crescent. Why?

Well back in the day from what I think you had the chamberpots. Some evacuations were called "night soil". So for the out house the crescent represented night time. I also would hazard a guess that it provided some ventilation that would be required. Just my opinion, and assumption.

699 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:17:49am

re: #680 Golem Akbar

Her 'gaydar' is fine tuned?

Most women have better gaydar than men, IMHO.

700 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:18:13am

re: #657 Ojoe

Flushes are vertically oriented.

Mecca is a bit east of north on a great circle route from most of the USA.

Outhouse doors traditionally have a crescent. Why?

Funny you should mention that. "BC", the daily comic strip by Johnny Hart, caused quite a stink (no pun intended) a few years ago. One panel had the caveman enter an outhouse, complete with crecent moon - that, of course, was an insult to the Religion of Peace. Here's one jackass moonbat's take on the affair. I can't find a link to the original comic in question.

701 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:18:16am

re: #655 ratso

yes, yesterday was the beginning of my first birthday as a lizard and I've grown my tail longer overnight

Welcome ratso. Make sure you keep an eye on that tail. Don't want it to get stepped on.

702 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:18:24am

re: #622 jwb7605
"I think he used the extra-frozen stethoscope."
ROFL! Yeah, I swear my internist uses his on me before he sees other patients!

703 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:18:37am

re: #691 Ford_Prefect

Seriously? Wherever will we put them all?

They are very clever lizards. They've already found their place.

704 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:18:52am

re: #677 mama winger

{mamawinger}

How exciting! We'll tawk later, tater.

705 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:19:09am

re: #687 SummerSong

LOL I should read the thread before I post...

naw, all of you were writing at the same time!

706 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:19:40am

re: #685 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Jorline!

Yes, Larry King sucks big-time, which is why I just don't watch him. He does indeed suck up to his guests, and his intereviews are dull and boring boring boring.

{reine}

First time I've seen his show in years...now I know why. A total disappointment. How are you this morning?

707 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:19:50am

re: #696 ciaospirit

Probably one of the most DISGUSTING statements in the whole ass-kissing "interview".

708 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:20:01am

re: #683 SummerSong


in many ways, this is mccain/feingold coming home to roost ... if JSM can overcome this self created obstacle, he is impressive. but clearly the hand of soros, et al is all over this.

709 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:20:37am

Good morning, lizardia.

I saw the funniest thing on TV this morning. King Richard II..er..Mayor Daley was on the news for two reasons. He wants bars around Wrigley Field to stop serving alcohol after the seventh inning, and he's majorly pissed off at the McCain ad about Obama and the Chicago Machine. What was funny is that his face was so red, and he looked like he was going to pop a blood vessel in his forehead.

He was pissed about the bars around Wrigley because they flat out told him NO on his proposal. As for the McCain ad, well, truth hurts, don't it.

Mayor Dick can piss up a rope.

710 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:20:44am

re: #696 ciaospirit

Arrogant Fuck, you don't speak for me. Ever.

Amen!

711 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:00am

re: #706 jorline

{reine}

First time I've seen his show in years...now I know why. A total disappointment. How are you this morning?

Doing great, except I still have a lot of cake to try to eat all by myself LOL!

glad to hear upthread a little that you are feeling well!

712 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:09am

re: #684 3 wood

I think the Giants are a stronger team now than they were last year. Does not mean they will repeat, but they are better overall at this point.

The Bears just cut their 3rd round draft choice from the 2005 draft, a bad, often injured receiver (do the Bears get any other kind) name Mark Bradley.

So they have a grand total of 1 draft pick left from the 2005 draft, Kyle Orton. The problem with that is your drafts from 3 and 4 years ago should be the backbone of your team today.

I'm sticking with my 5 and 11 prediction for the Bears, and it may have been optimistic. We could easily go a 1 and 15 here.


Well, you can see why the Bears passed on Brady Quinn.
Who needs a Quarterback?

713 akak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:20am

Note to self

Send email to BBC about anyone connected to Baitullah Mehsud should not be labeled "little known".

oops forgot - al BBC

714 Spider Mensch  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:22am

re: #619 _RememberTonyC

bravo ratso

ratso rizzo?

heh "Hey! I'm walking here! I'm walking here!"

715 Knuckles  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:27am

Daley is an idiot!

716 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:27am

re: #628 Pullus Iulius
Good morning - that's a tad sophisticated for my tastes! I kinda like:
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

717 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:21:51am

re: #700 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sigh. Why link to a jackass moonbat when I could have linked to the Mighty Mark Steyn instead?

718 spirochete  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:22:02am

re: #569 realwest

Actually, the point of all the advetising is that you will go in and bring up different medications. Doctors know about them, but the more the patients badger, the more prescriptions they are going to write. And the more the name of that particular drug will make its way into the doctor's mind.

And those "hot lunches" are WAY less common now than ten years ago.

The question I'd be asking is why do drug companies pay large amounts of money to doctor for injecting their drugs in the doctor's offices. I just saw a blurb somewhere that one of the companies is going to release how much it has paid to which doctors.

719 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:22:10am

re: #703 midwestgak

They are very clever lizards. They've already found their place.

Where is that? Under MandyManner's boot heel?

720 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:22:17am

51 Years Ago Today... Democrat Racism Dealt a Blow in Little Rock

On this day in 1957, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower ordered federal troops to Little Rock, Arkansas to insure the safety of the "Little Rock Nine" at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Bottom Row, Left to Right: Thelma Mothershed, Minnijean Brown, Elizabeth Eckford, Gloria Ray Top Row, Left to Right: Jefferson Thomas, Melba Pattillo, Terrence Roberts, Carlotta Walls, Daisy Bates (NAACP President), Ernest Green- Wikipedia.

President Eisenhower placed the Governor's soldiers under federal government control and ordered the 101st Airborne to Arkansas. Senators Lyndon Johnson and John Kennedy publicly criticized the President for enforcing a federal court order. Many Democrats actually compared the President's act to the Soviet invasion of Hungary the year before.

721 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:23:26am

I thought someone would catch my mistake there. I really was talking color, I am far from a green person. I revolt against the green moverment, I even left my fire place piiot light on all summer just to waste the gas. I have bought two cases of incandesent bulbs to store for when the day comes they don't sell them any more. Nice to meetcha RW. re: #678 realwest

722 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:23:27am

re: #697 opnion

mets bullpen is their downfall ... no closer and too little setup talent. i think it will be cubs/bosox or cubs/angels in the WS. Cubs last won it in 1908 ... they've waited exactly 100 years. the baseball Gods help the cubs win it "once a century."

723 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:23:29am

Bernanke stays neutral despite slowdown

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Despite signs of a broad economic slowdown, and historic upheaval in the U.S. financial industry, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke seemed in no mood to step on the gas a bit and lower interest rates.
In testimony prepared for the Joint Economic Committee, Bernanke said that risks of higher inflation and risks of a serious downturn were both "significant" concerns.
For Fed watchers, this keeps the Fed stance on rates in balance, or "neutral," toward future interest rate moves.
Many financial market participants were looking for signs that Bernanke may cut rates again soon. Investors in the futures market have increased the odds that the next move by the central bank would be a rate cut.

I think eventually Bernanke will have to drop the rate again one way or the other. The market is priciing it in already.

Bernanke is holding back right now to see of Congress screws the pooch or not on the mortgage bail out deal.

724 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:23:32am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

Doing great, except I still have a lot of cake to try to eat all by myself LOL!

glad to hear upthread a little that you are feeling well!

Sorry I didn't show up the other night with ploome and Walter...freeze that cake for us. I love your idea about the Lizard Recipe Book...count me in.

725 lori lane  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:23:33am

re: #709 Honorary Yooper

Mayor Dick can piss up a rope.

I wish Steve Sauerberg could pull off an upset.

726 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:24:09am

re: #642 Ojoe
Hey good morning Ojoe - thanks again for the great photo and uh, do y'all have those tater's ready and are you accepting guests right now?!

727 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:24:37am

griffin is a lesbo isn't she? re: #680 Golem Akbar

728 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:25:01am

(mine:) re: #681 jwb7605 9/24/08 7:15:12 am

re: #682 jorline 7:15:26

re: #683 SummerSong 7:15:52

That was a simutaneous shout. All done within 40 seconds!

729 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:25:17am

re: #684 3 wood

I'm sticking with my 5 and 11 prediction for the Bears, and it may have been optimistic. We could easily go a 1 and 15 here.

I am saddened. I think your predictions, either one of them, could come to be. :(

730 Golem Akbar  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:08am

re: #699 WriterMom

Her 'gaydar' is fine tuned?

Most women have better gaydar than men, IMHO.


Probably. I have little or none, and have made some real embarrassing mistakes in that area. [I live in L.A. and have no good excuse for that, either]

731 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:18am

re: #658 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! How are you doing this fine morning?

732 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:25am

re: #722 _RememberTonyC

i think it will be cubs/bosox or cubs/angels in the WS

As a Red sox fan I am hoping for the former but anticipating the later. The Sox are a little beat up right now and not scoring runs the way they need to. Also they are 1-8 against the halos this year. I think it will be a short post season for Boston. :-(

733 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:44am

re: #712 opnion

Well, you can see why the Bears passed on Brady Quinn.
Who needs a Quarterback?

The Bears organization has never valued the QB position. The entire rules book is written to encourage passing and scoring touchdowns, and they can't get a decent QB or receivers.

Their defense is more likely to score than the offense.

734 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:48am

re: #723 3 wood

Bernanke stays neutral despite slowdown

I think eventually Bernanke will have to drop the rate again one way or the other. The market is priciing it in already.

Bernanke is holding back right now to see of Congress screws the pooch or not on the mortgage bail out deal.

What's your take on the need for a large bail-out?

735 lifeofthemind  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:48am

re: #689 realwest

"She is married" - uh, happily?!

I always assume and hope for domestic happiness for all. I never chase women who are not single for a simple reason, cowardice. No seriously, it is never worth it to make anyone unhappy.

736 loppyd  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:26:54am

Joe sure knows how to charm 'em.

Speaking to a fund raiser hosted by trial lawyers Joe told them he is going to need their help to "mobilize thousands of lawyers to make sure they don't steal another election."

He then tells them:

"There are two people -- you've heard me say it before -- two groups that stand between us and the barbarians at the gate," Biden said. "It's you and organized labor. That's it. That is it. So, mark my words, mark my words, if we lose this election, you are going to continue to see a continuation of the onslaught on everything we care about. For real. For real. So, I'm not only thanking you for your help. I would think you're all absolutely brain-dead if you didn't help. And I mean it."

737 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:27:02am

re: #707 WriterMom

Probably one of the most DISGUSTING statements in the whole ass-kissing "interview".

Do you recall the 60 Minutes interview with the effete Scott Peley?
He lauded Ahmadinejad as a man of faith. Faith? I do not see Islam as faith as I understand it.

738 Syrah  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:27:32am

re: #693 Knuckles

Quick, Michelle Malkin on Fox talking about Rusty and the Jawa Report!

Go Michelle and Rusty!

739 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:27:34am

Our Generals Almost Cost Us Iraq

Although the conventional narrative about the Iraq war is wrong, its persistence has contributed to the most serious crisis in civil-military relations since the Civil War. According to Mr. Woodward's account, the uniformed military not only opposed the surge, insisting that their advice be followed; it then subsequently worked to undermine the president once he decided on another strategy.

In one respect, the actions taken by military opponents of the surge, e.g. "foot-dragging," "slow-rolling" and selective leaking are, unfortunately, all-too-characteristic of U.S. civil-military relations during the last decade and a half. But the picture Mr. Woodward draws is far more troubling. Even after the policy had been laid down, the bulk of the senior U.S. military leadership -- the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, the rest of the Joint Chiefs, and Gen. Abizaid's successor, Adm. William Fallon, actively worked against the implementation of the president's policy.

Verrrrry interesting...

740 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:28:15am

re: #730 Golem Akbar

Probably. I have little or none, and have made some real embarrassing mistakes in that area. [I live in L.A. and have no good excuse for that, either]

Someone with a 70s-era, Soviet-built gaydar could have seen Clay's playing for the lavender team.

741 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:28:19am

re: #671 _RememberTonyC
"i think obama had him institutionalized to keep him quiet."
Well of course he did - didn't want any competition for Biden or himself!

742 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:28:48am

re: #715 Knuckles

Daley is an idiot!

Thats an insult to us idiots of the world

743 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:28:51am
744 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:29:48am

re: #725 lori lane

I wish Steve Sauerberg could pull off an upset.

Let's put it this way, Sauerberg's got my vote. I've had enough of Durbin. Too bad I can't vote out Stroger and Daley (live in Will County, thank goodness), and must wait to get rid of Blago.

I do know this much, I will be voting for the Illinois constitutional convention to frame a new constitution for the state. One which limits Cook County power.

745 jcw46  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:30:29am

re: #709 Honorary Yooper

Good morning, lizardia.

I saw the funniest thing on TV this morning. King Richard II..er..Mayor Daley was on the news for two reasons. He wants bars around Wrigley Field to stop serving alcohol after the seventh inning, and he's majorly pissed off at the McCain ad about Obama and the Chicago Machine. What was funny is that his face was so red, and he looked like he was going to pop a blood vessel in his forehead.

He was pissed about the bars around Wrigley because they flat out told him NO on his proposal. As for the McCain ad, well, truth hurts, don't it.

Mayor Dick can piss up a rope.

What's even funnier is that Dick the 2nd looks just like Dick the 1st when He gets all mad and self-righteous (red-faced and puffed up like a blowfish). The only reason the Daleys remain in power is the knee-bending, shucking and jiving sellouts from the south side (the largest black enclave in Cook county). They've bought and sold their brothers and sisters for the paltry handouts of the Democrat Machine.
THIS ALONE should be enough reason to reject O; because he's a creature of the Daley Democrat Chicago Machine. You know, the ones who dug up (dead voter joke there) 50k votes for JFK in 1960 for his win in Illinois and the Presidency.

746 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:30:32am

re: #740 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

ROFL

747 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:30:43am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

Doing great, except I still have a lot of cake to try to eat all by myself LOL!

glad to hear upthread a little that you are feeling well!

mmmm.what kind of cake?

748 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:31:12am

re: #736 loppyd

Wow.

KEEP TALKIN JOE!

749 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:32:20am

re: #748 WriterMom

Wow.

KEEP TALKIN JOE!

You need to have this at the ready for anything Biden says.

750 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:32:23am

re: #747 HoosierHoops

Good morning, HH. How are you this morning and what's for lunch?

751 lori lane  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:32:24am

re: #744 Honorary Yooper

Let's put it this way, Sauerberg's got my vote.

Does he have a chance at all?

752 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:32:50am

re: #722 _RememberTonyC

mets bullpen is their downfall ... no cl.oser and too little setup talent. i think it will be cubs/bosox or cubs/angels in the WS. Cubs last won it in 1908 ... they've waited exactly 100 years. the baseball Gods help the cubs win it "once a century."


No too many curses on the Cubs. They could win the pennant, but the American League is a lot stronger.
I am pulling for a (White) Sox/Cubs World Series. This town would rock.

753 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:33:37am

re: #736 loppyd

I thought organized labour was brain dead? Or is it just me.

/*evil grin*

//hate unions, hate 'em with a passion.
///pay union dues and don't want to, but have no choice.

754 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:33:44am

re: #739 Kenneth

Our Generals Almost Cost Us Iraq

Verrrrry interesting...

I call bullshit.

If this kind of broad opposition were indeed present, not only would the surge have failed, officers reporting to Odierno and Petraus would have been disciplined and there would be all kinds of noise coming from returning service people. This opposition would also have been plastered all over MSM coverage to make Bush look bad.

I don't trust Woodward.....I think he's seeing what he wants to see.

755 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:33:55am

re: #696 ciaospirit

Arrogant Fuck, you don't speak for me. Ever.

Not even the moonbats really believe that Ahmadinejad is a man of peace, do they?
Larry King is:
a) mindless
b) a brown-nosed sycophant
c) a coward
d) a ratings whore
e) a brutally tough interviewer

756 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:34:56am

Who can you trust?

The mistrust crosses party lines. If the President is unpopular, Congress is even more so. The press is held in such low esteem that journalists are trusted only slightly more than used car salesmen. The most remarkable thing about opposition to a bailout package isn’t the conviction that some plan to help markets make an orderly transition can’t be a good thing; it is the suspicion that nobody can be trusted to carry it out. The professional finance men, politicians — even the academics — all have fallen under the cloud of mistrust.

Amen.

757 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:35:03am

re: #730 Golem Akbar

Probably. I have little or none, and have made some real embarrassing mistakes in that area. [I live in L.A. and have no good excuse for that, either]

As a young sailor, I walked into a San Francisco bar in 1969 wearing my donald duck uniform and having no clue .... *whoops* :)

758 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:35:49am

re: #755 sparrowlake

Not even the moonbats really believe that Ahmadinejad is a man of peace, do they?
Larry King is:
a) mindless
b) a brown-nosed sycophant
c) a coward
d) a ratings whore
e) a brutally tough bad interviewer

f) All of the above.

759 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:35:53am

re: #750 jorline

Good morning, HH. How are you this morning and what's for lunch?

Lunch is being catered today..Chicken, Pulled Pork, corn on the cob and fried bisquits with apple jelly..
I sure could could use a piece of reine's cake for dessert..

760 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:00am

re: #752 opnion

No too many curses on the Cubs. They could win the pennant, but the American League is a lot stronger.
I am pulling for a (White) Sox/Cubs World Series. This town would rock.

Maybe we'ld get a preview of what this town would be like if we hosted the olympics.

761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:03am

re: #752 opnion

No too many curses on the Cubs. They could win the pennant, but the American League is a lot stronger.
I am pulling for a (White) Sox/Cubs World Series. This town would rock.

Didn't Chicago "rock" when the Bulls last won a Championship? Do you really want more "rocking" like that?

762 ciaospirit  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:05am

re: #755 sparrowlake

Not even the moonbats really believe that Ahmadinejad is a man of peace, do they?
Larry King is:
a) mindless
b) a brown-nosed sycophant
c) a coward
d) a ratings whore
e) a brutally tough interviewer

That last one's a joke, right?

763 Syrah  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:28am

re: #755 sparrowlake

Not even the moonbats really believe that Ahmadinejad is a man of peace, do they?
Larry King is:
a) mindless
b) a brown-nosed sycophant
c) a coward
d) a ratings whore
e) a brutally tough interviewer

d to the Nth power.

764 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:34am

re: #731 realwest

Good morning reine! How are you doing this fine morning?

Hello, Realwest!
I'm doing fine, other than having a lot of cake to try to eat by myself (baked a cake in my new oven to see how it would do, and now I have almost an entire cake and no one to eat it but me LOL. Will take some to a neighbor later, I guess).

And I hope this finds you doing well?

765 loppyd  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:49am

re: #748 WriterMom

Wow.

KEEP TALKIN JOE!


I can't wait for the debates.

He's going to have to sit there like a mute and it will kill him. Either that or he'll go off the reservation.

Of course, my vote is for option number 2. :~)

766 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:36:54am

re: #755 sparrowlake

Not even the moonbats really believe that Ahmadinejad is a man of peace, do they?
Larry King is:
a) mindless
b) a brown-nosed sycophant
c) a coward
d) a ratings whore
e) a brutally tough interviewer Ron Paul

The answer is obviously...Ron Paul

767 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:37:08am

re: #755 sparrowlake


d) a ratings whore

Saw a book of a movie critic/reviewer. Had his ear to the ground outside of what he did. One topic(short one) was all the great movies to come down the pike as quoted by Larry King. At the time there were five. As a side note, all five movies were ones that he played himself interviewing somebody.

/that's why I go with d.)

768 jcm  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:37:40am

re: #754 eschew_obfuscation

I call bullshit.

If this kind of broad opposition were indeed present, not only would the surge have failed, officers reporting to Odierno and Petraus would have been disciplined and there would be all kinds of noise coming from returning service people. This opposition would also have been plastered all over MSM coverage to make Bush look bad.

I don't trust Woodward.....I think he's seeing what he wants to see.

Woodward got an exclusive interview with a a comatose William Casey, what's not to believe?
/

769 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:37:47am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

770 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:37:49am

re: #764 reine.de.tout

Hello, Realwest!
I'm doing fine, other than having a lot of cake to try to eat by myself (baked a cake in my new oven to see how it would do, and now I have almost an entire cake and no one to eat it but me LOL. Will take some to a neighbor later, I guess).

And I hope this finds you doing well?

Slide a piece this way.

771 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:09am

re: #734 eschew_obfuscation

What's your take on the need for a large bail-out?

It has to happen and the sooner the better for the small investor.

The credit markets have seized up plus large institutional investors have taken a lot of their wealth out of the stock market, their is just too much unquantifiable risk out there now with these mortgage backed securities on the books of these institutions.

Most of the mortgages will end up being good, but at this point nobody is willing to take the risk to deal with them in the private sector.

Secondly, the SEC and the Treasury need to get their collective acts together on the rules and oversight.

I have been hollering for 3 days now about the loop hole in the supposed short sale ban. Specialists and options traders wer exempted, which means they can short sell like banshee's pound stock prices all they want, and make a killing doing it. So again, the big investors are standing on the sidelines.

We need the Resolution Trust like situation set up now, today. I think it will take 3 to 5 years to unwind this (there is no fast way out of this). We also need to close the loop holes in the short sale ban and reinstate the "uptick rule" which discourages short sales.

This screwing around is damaging the small investor much worse than the big one. The big ones can just stand on the sidelines for as long as it takes for this to get straightened out. It's the small investor living on a 401k in retirement or putting their kid through college with it that is getting hurt bad.

772 jcw46  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:16am

re: #744 Honorary Yooper

Be very cautious of State constitutional conventions. If the wrong types can gain control then all sorts of shenanigans will occur and the constitution will be shredded. They're touting one here in PA but I ain't buying it. The folks in favor of one are a little shady and a lot of Dems claiming we can fix things in the state. Yeah, right. Fix things so they go their way? I'd rather muddle through than have some group of neophytes be led down a garden path of good intentions to a hell of Leftist-liberal Democrat socialist-agenda-driven constitutional changes that actually destroy representational government and shackle free-market economic opportunities.

773 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:22am

re: #766 jorline

The answer is obviously...Ron Paul

LOL How you doing on this Wednesday?

774 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:31am

re: #747 HoosierHoops

mmmm.what kind of cake?

Chocolate fudge cake, with cream cheese icing. It's really good.
Got a new stove, tried it out by baking a cake, hubby is offshore til next week, and so I am the only one left to eat the cake! Old stove only worked on "broil", and my cakes came out - strange.

775 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:33am

re: #759 HoosierHoops

Lunch is being catered today..Chicken, Pulled Pork, corn on the cob and fried bisquits with apple jelly..
I sure could could use a piece of reine's cake for dessert..

I hear ya about reine's cake...hope it ends up in the Lizard Recipe Book.

Lunch sounds great..love pulled pork.

776 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:35am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Yeah, and you'll go blind doing that or even growing hair on your palm.

777 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:37am

re: #765 loppyd

I can't wait for the debates.

He's going to have to sit there like a mute and it will kill him. Either that or he'll go off the reservation.

Of course, my vote is for option number 2. :~)

I bet he'll call Gov. Palin "doll-face" or worse...

778 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:40am

re: #766 jorline

ROFL!
I need another noseful of coffee now, if you'll excuse me ...

779 arethusa  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:40am

I just glanced at the RCP national average and got depressed. Now, the only polls I trust are Rasmussen and Gallup, and I tend to ignore anything by a major East Coast newspaper or an alphabet network. But should I? Does anyone know of an independent third party that ranks polls and their weaknesses, ideological, methodological, or otherwise? Thanks.

780 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:44am

re: #684 3 wood
Well, if the Giant's didn't have the injuries to their defensive players (especially Usi) they'd be even better, but the scheduling gods didn't think much of the Giants last year either, so we have a relatively easy schedule which should help. And our O line has been playing just incredibly well - ya know, if you can run the ball well, have one break away WR and a different possesion (but not slow) WR and a pretty fair QB, y'all ought to be able to give the D a rest when they need it. (always been a fan of great Defenses and last year's superbowl was a perfect example of what a talented, TEAM defense can do to an otherwise superb football club - I was really SO PROUD of the Giants D that day - and of Eli, too).
Da Bears ain't going anywhere til they get some front office changes. Geez, when I think back on those great Bear defenses in the mid 80's - hell they had trouble moving the ball then too, but that D was just superb.
If I were a Bears fan I'd be sending all kinds of strongly worded letters to the front office! Who the hell runs their draft anyway, Elmer Fudd?!

781 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:46am

re: #744 Honorary Yooper

Let's put it this way, Sauerberg's got my vote. I've had enough of Durbin. Too bad I can't vote out Stroger and Daley (live in Will County, thank goodness), and must wait to get rid of Blago.

I do know this much, I will be voting for the Illinois constitutional convention to frame a new constitution for the state. One which limits Cook County power.

But Cook County is where our Barry Obama honed his skills.
He met interesting people like Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Farakhan,Micelle & Pflager.
They helped make him the man that he is today.

782 sparrowlake  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:38:57am

re: #762 ciaospirit

That last one's a joke, right?

Just wanted to see if you were paying attention. LOL.

783 jcm  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:39:14am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Shredded pork in BBQ sauce usually on a bun.
Good stuff.

784 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Didn't Chicago "rock" when the Bulls last won a Championship? Do you really want more "rocking" like that?

Cubs fans tend to be a lot less into looting than Bulls fans. When they clinched a playoff spot a few days ago, all they did was dance in the middle of Addison.

I have a feeling that if the Cubs won the Series, you'd see more deaths from heart attacks than from anything else.

785 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:39:54am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

That's when you grab a pig by the tail and...uh...never mind.

786 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:39:56am

re: #714 Spider Mensch

heh "Hey! I'm walking here! I'm walking here!"

He says he ad-libbed that line.

787 Syrah  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:40:21am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Here is a recipe.

Pulled pork is very good when done right.

788 the REAL  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:40:41am

re: #602 _RememberTonyC

Don't know if I am linking properly since it's my first post (!) but #602 I have said the same thing about Todd Palin, having him get out there and speak to Union workers, could make a world of a difference in PA and MI

789 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:41:04am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

It's like a pork BBQ sandwich..shredded pork i guess you could say..
G'day aussie.. how's life down there?

790 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:41:06am

re: #754 eschew_obfuscation

I call bullshit.

If this kind of broad opposition were indeed present, not only would the surge have failed, officers reporting to Odierno and Petraus would have been disciplined and there would be all kinds of noise coming from returning service people. This opposition would also have been plastered all over MSM coverage to make Bush look bad.

I don't trust Woodward.....I think he's seeing what he wants to see.

I absolutely agree with you. He & Bernstien took great liberties during Watergate & bragged about it in their book.
To say that the Commanders did not want an agressive strategy doesn't pass the smell test.

791 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:41:11am

re: #776 ratso

Yeah, and you'll go blind doing that or even growing hair on your palm.


Hi ratso, and I still don't know what it is!

Plus I'm of the female variety of lizard :-)

792 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:41:18am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Exotic? Maybe to an Aussie, but here in America we call it yummy! From BBQ.com:


On its basic level, southern style barbecue is smoked pork. It is often called pulled pork because of the way it is prepared. The smoked meat is simply pulled apart by hand, although it is also found sliced, shredded or chopped. But it is also more than a meal. One of the oldest definitions of barbecue is an event where people gather to share good food. These events were frequently prepared for political, religious or social gatherings.

There's other ways of preparing it aside from BBQ-style. Rocco's in The Reading Terminal Market here in Philly makes a fantastic Italian pulled pork sandwich!

793 coz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:41:41am

Good Morning and Happy Hump Day from the Land of Coz!

794 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:41:42am

re: #765 loppyd

I can't wait for the debates.

He's going to have to sit there like a mute and it will kill him. Either that or he'll go off the reservation.

Of course, my vote is for option number 2. :~)

Gwen Ifill is the moderator. She'll do two things

1) Let Biden talk as long as he wants (as well as interupt) and go off topic when it's his turn
2) As soon as Biden does put one foot even close to his mouth, she'll jump in and save him

795 coquimbojoe  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:42:01am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Roast pork that has been smoke in a Barbecue. After cooked the pork is pulled from the bone and shredded by had. That is where the hair comes from.

796 jcm  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:42:05am

Finally!

Obama and Ayers pushed radicalism on schools

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

[snip]One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that

Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.
797 rancher  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:42:05am

McCain 'Would Not Promote Israel-PA Talks'

U.S. administration under John McCain would discourage Israeli-Syrian peace talks and refrain from actively engaging in the Israeli-Palestinian diplomatic process. That was the message delivered over the weekend by two McCain advisers – Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and Richard Williamson, the Bush administration's special envoy to Sudan – during a retreat hosted by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy at the Lansdowne Resort in rural Virginia.

Richard Danzig, a representative of Barack Obama, said the Democratic presidential candidate would take the opposite approach on both issues.

798 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:42:19am

re: #771 3 wood

It has to happen and the sooner the better for the small investor.

The credit markets have seized up plus large institutional investors have taken a lot of their wealth out of the stock market, their is just too much unquantifiable risk out there now with these mortgage backed securities on the books of these institutions.

Most of the mortgages will end up being good, but at this point nobody is willing to take the risk to deal with them in the private sector.

Secondly, the SEC and the Treasury need to get their collective acts together on the rules and oversight.

I have been hollering for 3 days now about the loop hole in the supposed short sale ban. Specialists and options traders wer exempted, which means they can short sell like banshee's pound stock prices all they want, and make a killing doing it. So again, the big investors are standing on the sidelines.

We need the Resolution Trust like situation set up now, today. I think it will take 3 to 5 years to unwind this (there is no fast way out of this). We also need to close the loop holes in the short sale ban and reinstate the "uptick rule" which discourages short sales.

This screwing around is damaging the small investor much worse than the big one. The big ones can just stand on the sidelines for as long as it takes for this to get straightened out. It's the small investor living on a 401k in retirement or putting their kid through college with it that is getting hurt bad.


Thanks 3 Wood!

That's pretty much what I've gotten from following this for a while.

I had heard a rumor that AIG's problem (or one of them) was that they were insuring blocks of sub-prime mortgages and not reserving for the risk...has anyone else heard anything like this, or am I dealing with a rumor?

799 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:42:36am

Good morning all. And yes, I had to read LotF in eighth-grade English class. Zzzzzzzz...

800 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:42:50am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Shredded barbequed pork, usually served on a bun (kaiser rolls are common) with barbeque sauce.

Very commonly found throughout the US South and Midwest.

801 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:43:05am

re: #761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Didn't Chicago "rock" when the Bulls last won a Championship? Do you really want more "rocking" like that?

I do not see that kind of rocking happening. Baseball fans generally do not riot. Now if Barry loses, now your talkin

802 jcm  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:43:13am

re: #795 coquimbojoe

Roast pork that has been smoke in a Barbecue. After cooked the pork is pulled from the bone and shredded by had. That is where the hair comes from.

You're a great salesman!
LOL!

803 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:43:18am

re: #769 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Question:

What's pulled pork?

Sounds very exotic :-)

Good morning. Pulled pork is a pork butt that is smoked over a low fire for several hours. When it's done you take a fork and pull or shred the meat off the bone. It's truly succulent.

I cook it over mesquite wood...yummmmmmmmmmmm

804 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:43:19am

re: #697 opnion
Well, I lived and worked in Manhattan for 35 years and lived in suburbs around NY for about 10 -15 years before that (after a brief excursion into SE Asia) and have been a Giant's fan (football Giants) for going on 50 years now.
Used to be a Detroit Tigers fan back in the '60's cause my Dad (RIP) was one - long story as to why. But switched to the Yanks around 1974 or so - long before we started winning consistently!

805 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:44:19am

re: #779 arethusa

I just glanced at the RCP national average and got depressed. Now, the only polls I trust are Rasmussen and Gallup, and I tend to ignore anything by a major East Coast newspaper or an alphabet network. But should I? Does anyone know of an independent third party that ranks polls and their weaknesses, ideological, methodological, or otherwise? Thanks.

My advice. Do not even LOOK at the polls until after the 2nd Presidential debate. There are 18% of "likely" voters that are at this time UNDECIDED. That tells me they are waiting to "see something'. I beleive that something will be the debates!

I have confidence that if Mccain does NOT lose his temper, and uses facts and humor and politeness, he will win the debates

806 coz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:44:22am

Word of the Day
Wednesday September 24, 2008

numismatics noo-miz-MAT-iks; -mis-; nyoo-, noun:
the collection and study of money (and coins in particular).

807 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:44:23am

re: #797 rancher

McCain 'Would Not Promote Israel-PA Talks'

Max Boot is a McCain advisor? Nice! His book on America's small wars is a must-read!

808 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:44:42am

re: #773 midwestgak

LOL How you doing on this Wednesday?

Good morning mwg...you have mail. How are you today?

809 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:44:43am

re: #784 Honorary Yooper

Cubs fans tend to be a lot less into looting than Bulls fans. When they clinched a playoff spot a few days ago, all they did was dance in the middle of Addison.

I have a feeling that if the Cubs won the Series, you'd see more deaths from heart attacks than from anything else.

Twisted logic here:
I was chatting with the barber and the Cubs came up. He's a Cubs fan, and I said Cubs are going all the way. Here's my logic:

a) they are still a good team.
b) last year the Rockies came from literally nowhere
c) then McCain and Obama , from literally nowhere, won their nominations
d) this year all bad NFL teams are good, and all good NFL teams are bad.

... following the Karma pattern, it's the Cub's year.

I always follow the Karma in addition to the record. Cubs are a lock.

810 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:45:11am

re: #780 realwest
You will be getting a strongly worded letter from Mr. Fudd.

811 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:45:54am

re: #778 jwb7605

ROFL!
I need another noseful of coffee now, if you'll excuse me ...

Coffee grinds are good for the nasal passages.

812 ratso  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:46:07am

he did re: #786 Ward Cleaver

813 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:46:30am

re: #783 jcm

Shredded pork in BBQ sauce usually on a bun.
Good stuff.

Hi and thanks, so it's like roast pork all chopped up then?

814 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:46:51am

Now the market is up 30 points. This thing is a pogo stick out there today.

We have got to get some stability in the market.

815 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:47:12am

re: #774 reine.de.tout

Here's an idea for those recipe submissions. A main dish, a side dish, and a desert. Everyone has to have a favorite out of that list that they try often.

816 coz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:47:22am

Hump day stuff:

A diamond will not dissolve in acid. The only thing that can destroy it is intense heat.

A lump of pure gold the size of a matchbox can be flattened into a sheet the size of a tennis court.

Absolutely pure gold is so soft that it can be molded with the hands.

An ounce of gold can be stretched into a wire 50 miles long.

Colored diamonds are caused by impurities such as nitrogen (yellow), boron (blue). With red diamonds being due to deformities in the structure of the stone, and green ones being the result of irradiation.

Diamond is the hardest naturally occurring substance, and is also one of the most valuable natural substances. Diamonds are crystals formed almost entirely of carbon. Because of its hardness, the diamond is the most enduring of all gemstones. They are among the most costly jewels in the world, partly because they are rare, Only four important diamond fields have been found - in Africa, South America, India, and the Soviet Union.

In 1957, the Shipping port Atomic Power Station in Pennsylvania, the first nuclear facility to generate electricity in the United States, went on line. (It was taken out of service in 1982.)

In 1982, in the first operation of its kind, doctors at the University of Utah Medical Center implanted a permanent artificial heart in the chest of retired dentist Dr. Barney Clark, who lived 112 days with the device.

Mercury is the only metal that is liquid at room temperature.

Mineral deposits in caves: The ones growing upward are stalagmites, the ones growing downward are stalactites.

Natural gas has no odor. The smell is added artificially so that leaks can be detected.

817 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:47:22am

re: #808 jorline

Good morning mwg...you have mail. How are you today?

Doing great. Have a phone conference in a few minutes.

As in email? Hasn't come through yet.

Experienced my first open door thread yesterday. What fun!

818 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:47:27am

re: #798 eschew_obfuscation

Thanks 3 Wood!

That's pretty much what I've gotten from following this for a while.

I had heard a rumor that AIG's problem (or one of them) was that they were insuring blocks of sub-prime mortgages and not reserving for the risk...has anyone else heard anything like this, or am I dealing with a rumor?

I find interesting the divergent opinions among conservatives on the bailouts. I listened to the beginning of Hugh Hewitt's show yesterday, and he was wondering what was keeping Congress from passing the bailout bill. Then I switched over to Mark Levin, and he was screaming, "No bailouts!". Hmmmm...

819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:47:37am

re: #801 opnion

I do not see that kind of rocking happening. Baseball fans generally do not riot. Now if Barry loses, now your talkin

Could you do me a favor & see to it that the Cubs beat the Mets in these next 2 games? I know that you got the playoffs locked already, but it'll really help my Phillies out!

820 jcw46  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:47:43am

re: #753 BlueCanuck

I thought organized labour was brain dead? Or is it just me.

/*evil grin*

//hate unions, hate 'em with a passion.
///pay union dues and don't want to, but have no choice.

For anyone on the fence about Unions, think about this. Unions only work if EVERYONE else works for less money. If EVERYONE was Union, then wages would rise across the economic spectrum; effectively elimanating any financial gain of any one Union's successful raising of wages. The raising of Union workers wages and benefits is only a benefit to those workers if they can still buy goods and services at non-Union affected prices.
Get it:
The idea of a Union only works for it's members if the rest of us don't get more pay (keeping the prices of goods and services low and therefore raising the standard of living only for Union members).
Thus the Unions succeed on the backs of the Union member's neighbors and others who work for lower wages.

821 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:48:18am

re: #804 realwest

Well, I lived and worked in Manhattan for 35 years and lived in suburbs around NY for about 10 -15 years before that (after a brief excursion into SE Asia) and have been a Giant's fan (football Giants) for going on 50 years now.
Used to be a Detroit Tigers fan back in the '60's cause my Dad (RIP) was one - long story as to why. But switched to the Yanks around 1974 or so - long before we started winning consistently!

That explains the NY loyalties. I thought that you were a native of the Carolinas.
One regret that I will always have is that I never got to Yankee Stadium.
Those great Yankee teams with Mantle, Maris , Ford, Berra etc. ruined a lot of my summers as a yoot, as a White Sox fan

822 jwb7605  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:48:19am

re: #813 aussiemagpie

Hi and thanks, so it's like roast pork all chopped up then?

Not chopped. Pulled apart by hand, "with the grain".

823 jcm  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:48:23am

re: #813 aussiemagpie

Hi and thanks, so it's like roast pork all chopped up then?

Traditionally it's pull apart by hand, but modern times being what they are it can be mechanically shredded. Recipes vary by region, my favorite is Southern Louisiana, Cajun influenced sauces.

824 coz  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:49:15am

Aah nuts...

Company is sending me away again for all of next week.

I'll be in Calgary this time.

Any lizards in or near Calgary?

825 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:49:21am

re: #799 Ward Cleaver

Good morning all. And yes, I had to read LotF in eighth-grade English class. Zzzzzzzz...

Good morning, Ward. Is my son in that class? His eight grade class just read Fahrenheit 451.

826 realwest  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:49:38am

re: #739 Kenneth
Huh, ya know reading Woodward's take on that, you'd think the "Surge" never happend and never worked!
Hello Mr. Woodward - there are some men in white coats with some sort of jacket thingy waiting for you downstairs!

827 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:50:10am

re: #816 coz

Hump day stuff:

Diamond is the hardest naturally occurring substance, and is also one of the most valuable natural substances. Diamonds are crystals formed almost entirely of carbon. Because of its hardness, the diamond is the most enduring of all gemstones. They are among the most costly jewels in the world, partly because they are rare, Only four important diamond fields have been found - in Africa, South America, India, and the Soviet Union.

Also Canada; there is a diamond mine way north in Canada. The first season of Ice Road Truckers was about truckers taking supplies and equipment to the mine.

828 faraway  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:50:12am

re: #816 coz


Mercury is the only metal that is liquid at room temperature.

My 5th grade teacher had us stick our hands in this stuff.

829 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:50:12am

re: #754 eschew_obfuscation

I think you missed the point. The senior generals opposed the surge, not the middle level officers. I recall less than supportive comments from Fallon & Abizaid. Fallon in particular hates Petraeus. When Bush finally decided to go with the surge it was over the objections of Fallon, Pace, Abizaid, Mullen & Rumsfeld. They tried to undercut Petraeus. All those except for Mullen are now gone. Petraeus now has Fallon's old job. So it looks to me like the good guys finally won out.

BTW, I also recall reading how some senior generals suppressed early reports that the Iraqi Shia militias were getting help from Iran. They were afraid that if "the boss" knew about that, then he would escalate the war and attack Iran, & the generals didn't want that to happen. That suppression of facts is something several mid-ranking officers have complained about. Woodward's book describes how the president was cut off from getting real information, and failed to push hard enough to get it out of a personal reluctance to stir up conflict within his administration. That assessment of Bush's character seems accurate to me.

The next president had better be a tough bastard who won't take shit from anybody, including his or her staff. McCain looks like that kind of leader. Palin too has shown that kind of toughness. Even Hillary could be a proper bitch if necessary. Obama? No way.

830 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:50:25am

re: #785 Ford_Prefect

That's when you grab a pig by the tail and...uh...never mind.

LOL!

Talking about pigs ...Bruce the pig

A RUNAWAY pig with a huge appetite for trouble and bananas will get to focus his energies on sows after his dramatic capture.

Bruce, aka Pigzilla, who had moved in and taken over a small farm outside Uki, northern NSW, over recent weeks, was captured by rangers from the Rural Land Protection Board and will be shipped off to a piggery at a secret location where several sows were already waiting for him.

Pigzilla sounded delighted when he learned of his fate.

831 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:50:33am

re: #824 coz

Aah nuts...

Company is sending me away again for all of next week.

I'll be in Calgary this time.

Any lizards in or near Calgary?

do they even computers there ?

(j/k to our Canadian brethren,,,, I spent lots of time in Canada when I was a younger man ,, loved it !)

832 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:50:53am

re: #818 Ward Cleaver

I find interesting the divergent opinions among conservatives on the bailouts. I listened to the beginning of Hugh Hewitt's show yesterday, and he was wondering what was keeping Congress from passing the bailout bill. Then I switched over to Mark Levin, and he was screaming, "No bailouts!". Hmmmm...

I admit I know very little about this whole issue. Don't know which is the best action to take or if there are other options or a combination of actions not yet on the table.

I don't like this wait-and-see position.

833 opnion  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:51:01am

re: #819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Could you do me a favor & see to it that the Cubs beat the Mets in these next 2 games? I know that you got the playoffs locked already, but it'll really help my Phillies out!

In the interest of full disclosure, I am A White Sox fan, the few, the proud.
Can't the phliies go in as a Division Champ?

834 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:51:03am
835 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:51:29am

re: #817 midwestgak

Doing great. Have a phone conference in a few minutes.

As in email? Hasn't come through yet.

Experienced my first open door thread yesterday. What fun!

Check your email again...I'll resend it if you don't have it.

Yes...hatchlings are always fun.

836 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:51:33am

re: #780 realwest

Da Bears ain't going anywhere til they get some front office changes. Geez, when I think back on those great Bear defenses in the mid 80's - hell they had trouble moving the ball then too, but that D was just superb.
If I were a Bears fan I'd be sending all kinds of strongly worded letters to the front office! Who the hell runs their draft anyway, Elmer Fudd?!

Jerry Angelo (used to be with Tampa Bay) is their GM, and he has a history of blowing 1st round picks and not being able to draft offense well. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

The Bears 46 defense was so good that the league outlawed it. I get a grin out of old Bears fans today who say we should go back to playing the 46.

You can't. With the pass interference rules and the offensive lines allowed to blatantly hold now, that defense is obsolete. You can;t really pressure the QB anymore.

That is why the Cover-2 was invented.

837 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:51:57am

re: #813 aussiemagpie

Here's a couple video clips on how to do pulled pork. Good Eats rocks. :)

/show's you how to do it.

838 ciaospirit  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:52:10am

re: #796 jcm

About damn time. New McCain ad pronto.

839 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:52:15am

So stoked right now. Had (what I thought) 3-5 hours of paperwork to do. Hour and a half.!

BAM!

840 midwestgak  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:53:10am

re: #835 jorline

Please resend. :)

841 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:53:13am
842 jaunte  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:53:20am

Good morning everyone. Any new reports re: the radioactive Somali pirates on that Iranian ship?

843 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:53:47am

re: #830 aussiemagpie

wow. Must be a slow news day down under. :-)

844 jill e  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:53:49am

"The hilarious game of legalized theft in the name of fairness." —Fannie Mae

Obamonopoly!

845 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:54:32am

re: #833 opnion

In the interest of full disclosure, I am A White Sox fan, the few, the proud.
Can't the phliies go in as a Division Champ?

If we win out. The Mets have a game in hand - the magic number is 4.

846 3 wood  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:54:50am

re: #798 eschew_obfuscation

I had heard a rumor that AIG's problem (or one of them) was that they were insuring blocks of sub-prime mortgages and not reserving for the risk...has anyone else heard anything like this, or am I dealing with a rumor?

I don't know, but I would not be surprised. They my have truly just underestimated the risk.

Really, changes to how "risk" is priced in the market is the cause of most of this.

847 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:54:58am
848 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:55:01am

re: #792 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Italian pulled pork? That just sounds wrong. What, did they rough up the pig first?

849 jorline  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:55:18am

re: #840 midwestgak

Please resend. :)

Sent

850 loppyd  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:55:50am

Way too effin busy here today.

BBL

851 jcm  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:56:13am

re: #838 ciaospirit

About damn time. New McCain ad pronto.


Put's the "friendly neighbors" line to question.
Another one would be Ayers education quotes, linking to Obama and CAC.

852 BlueCanuck  Wed, Sep 24, 2008 7:56:28am

re: #816 coz

Hump day stuff:

A lump of pure gold the size of a matchbox can be flattened into a sheet the size of a tennis court.

Also pure gold can be layered out so thinly that you can see through it. Some high altitude jet planes had a gold layer on the canopy for conductivity as a defroster.

/don't have a link for that, told by my dad in the early 80's.

853 Fat Bastard