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Open | Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:23:23 pm PDT

I do benefits for all religions - I’d hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality.

Bob Hope

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1 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:24:51pm

I really hope that McCain gets a bill done TODAY

2 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:27:50pm

An open thread, yet the suject of the previous thread weighs quite heavily on my mind.

3 tommygum  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:27:54pm

McCain to the rescue.

4 pat  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:28:33pm

The present bill is a fucking disaster. Welfare for deadbeats and big companies. Let the collapse begin. And let Bill Clinton, the most economically challenged President since Carter, explain his legislation.

5 tommygum  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:28:47pm

re: #2 Fenway_Nation

That code pink stuff was nasty.

6 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:29:36pm

I honestly think that a bill is in the works without all the pork such a Reid added.
I think there will be a bill done today and McCain will be triumphant at the debate.

7 tommygum  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:29:45pm

re: #4 pat

I did not have relations with that economy.

8 freetoken  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:31:45pm

Some other quotes attributed to Bob Hope:


I have to much money invested in sweaters.


... and particularly relevant to today's news:


A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it.


I love to go to Washington - if only to be near my money.
9 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:32:12pm

re: #4 pat


I heard audio of him trying to disown the current clusterfuck earlier this morning....and throwing BHO under the bus in the process. Truth be told, it was a hoot- although I'm not sure which part was more hootier.

10 pat  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:34:06pm

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

Doesn't take much for Bill Clinton to lie. Air and water mostly.

11 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:36:05pm

Thanks for the Bob Hope line, Charles, makes me feel better already.

We have always worked hard and done everything right and here we are with our damn AIG IRA and our WAMU checking and savings feeling like wicked stepchildren and getting the bailout. We've never gone for the refi's or anything, fixed rate, anything we have done. I feel like a welfare recipient.

12 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:37:08pm

Some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God, & over these ideals they dispute & cannot unite--but they all worship money. - Mark Twain

13 saltmarsh  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:37:12pm

Anybody ask Pelosi how that whole democrat congress thingy is working?

/but it's for the children.

14 pat  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:38:25pm

Who is dumber? Pelosi or Reid? I can not even find a commie who thinks these idiots have normal intelligence.

15 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:40:46pm

re: #14 pat

LOL

16 lifeofthemind  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:41:07pm

If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. - Sir Winston L.S. Churchill, June 1941

17 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:43:06pm

or if you prefer:

"It isn't the sum you get, it's how much you can buy with it, that's the important thing; and it's that that tells whether your wages are high in fact or only high in name." - Mark Twain

18 Killian Bundy  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #14 pat

Who is dumber? Pelosi or Reid?

Boxer or Klobuchar.

/still not sure who'd win that contest

19 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:44:27pm

Ya know what this bill needs? Escorts!

20 rawmuse  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:08pm

I know of lot of money people who are now for Obama. If the house falls, let it fall on him they say. And these are normally rational people I am talking about, men in high places. This is some scary shit.

21 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:21pm
22 EIDE_Interface  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:44pm

re: #20 rawmuse

I know of lot of money people who are now for Obama. If the house falls, let it fall on him they say. And these are normally rational people I am talking about, men in high places. This is some scary shit.

Don't pay attention to chicken littles.

23 Oldasdirt  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:54pm

Was digging around in my closet looking for my shotgun shells,and found and OLD pair of penny loafers.One still had a penny in it.Tomorrow i may be richer than some stock holders.

24 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:30pm

Uneasy night...

25 Karridine  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:39pm

Possible Catalyst/Solution to MANY PROBLEMS:

McCain calls a press conference, to "...announce the 73-Word Report."

Works on, aiming to get a financial relief bill for America; MSM broadcast cryptic "73-Word Report"...

Press conference time comes up, and McCain addresses the 'journalists' and videotapers and reporters:

"This Report has 73 Words total, including this introduction. We cannot pass this bill to rescue legitimate American financial institutions in trouble BECAUSE Mr Obama, Mr Raines and Mr Frank were instrumental in helping Democrats set up this problem, and are obstructing efforts now to deal with this problem. For full details, Mr and Mrs America, go to [Link: [Link: www.DoubleDealingDems.com...]...] and download your PDF. Any words missing and you know the news media have twisted this Report."

End of Press Conference
The PDF is downloaded by millions, and the MSM gets its damned grip on truth BROKEN.

26 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:43pm

re: #23 Oldasdirt

Was digging around in my closet looking for my shotgun shells,and found and OLD pair of penny loafers.One still had a penny in it.Tomorrow i may be richer than some stock holders.

I'll give you $20 for those shoes!

27 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:45pm

re: #19 Wyatt Earp

Ya know what this bill needs? Escorts!

go figure, Singapore canes people for dropping gum on the street, but they allow hookers at the racetrack?! Lowest crime rate on Earth so i guess you cant argue with that...

28 NY Grampa  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:48:06pm

Hi all:
NY Nana is having a problem with this damn Dell/Hell computer. She loves to listen to a number of radio stations on the computer. Lately most of them will not play. When we right clicked on the player that opened but did not play, and clicked properties, they all say Windows Media Player. I therefore called Dell non-support as Media Player was installed by them. Dell support had me allow the technician to see our computer. After a bunch of fiddling for about 15 minutes he said that he knew what the problem was but as the computer was out of warrantee I would have to pay immediately to have him do the repair: $269 for 1 years service (4 calls), $69 for the one call, or $15 per month. I politely told him to shove it.

Does anyone have any idea how to correct this problem? I am not sure if this started when Windows Media Player 11 was installed. Do you think that we should un-install Media Player and then re-install?

29 Egfrow  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:48:06pm

It seems to me that we have had more concern and debate on the issue from congress on Global Warming than we have with this Bailout which is about zero.

30 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:49:29pm

re: #27 JeremiahRight

go figure, Singapore canes people for dropping gum on the street, but they allow hookers at the racetrack?! Lowest crime rate on Earth so i guess you cant argue with that...

One of the most bizarre stories I have read in a long time. I wonder if some of the escorts come with restrictor plates?

31 pat  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:50:07pm

re: #28 NY Grampa

You make sure that she knows Pat says she should be in bed sleeping. lol

32 Oldasdirt  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:51:28pm

Im sure most have seen this,but just in case,,best movie line ever.

33 NY Grampa  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:52:26pm

re: #31 pat

NY Nana is waving at you from the couch! She says 'good-night'.

Now if we can just get her to get of the couch and go to bed!

34 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:53:09pm

re: #30 Wyatt Earp

One of the most bizarre stories I have read in a long time. I wonder if some of the escorts come with restrictor plates?

do you think they run on Kumho tires?

35 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:54:33pm

re: #28 NY Grampa

Hi! Tell Nana good night from me too. And I don't see how it could hurt to uninstall and reinstall, though I'm no geek.

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:54:34pm

re: #28 NY Grampa
"I politely told him to shove it."
LOL I don't blame you. You know, does AOL ever help? I get a lot of help from my Earthlink. They even put the Firefox on for me.

37 Oldasdirt  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:54:53pm

re: #26 Wyatt Earp

You really dont want them.I promise.

38 NY Grampa  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:56:12pm

re: #35 Sharmuta


NY Nana just waved good-night to you on her way to get ready for bed.

39 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:56:54pm

my mom asked me what i was giving up for Lent one year when i was a kid.....

i said "Being Catholic"

nothing wrong with being Catholic, it just wasn't for me.

40 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:06pm

re: #38 NY Grampa

Good night, you two. Sweet dreams.

41 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:17pm

re: #34 JeremiahRight

do you think they run on Kumho tires?

Bwahahahahaha! Well played!

42 NY Grampa  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:24pm

re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin


I actually have gotten help from AOL, but since the have gone all offshore, closing their Canadian help center, they are getting very bad.

43 Moe Katz  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:47pm

Do Sikh kids get to wear the kirpan (ceremonial dagger) in any American school boards as they do in Canada?

44 JeremiahRight  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:59:18pm

re: #41 Wyatt Earp

thank you sir, and with that I bid you all a fond farewell, until Black Friday when we can do this all over again!

45 Moe Katz  Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:59:24pm

re: #42 NY Grampa

I actually have gotten help from AOL, but since the have gone all offshore, closing their Canadian help center, they are getting very bad.

I get good help from Bell Sympatico in Quebec by using the French line. If you select English you get India. The French help is here, and it's decent.

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:00:21am

re: #42 NY Grampa

I know what you mean. I got one guy from the Sacramento area on Earthlink, all the rest were out of country. One time it took about five hours to get me up and running. LOL I was a basket case.

47 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:00:59am

This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.

I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.

48 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:01:45am

re: #47 zombie

This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.

I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.

You could also be lesbian...

49 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:02:01am

Any inclinations for the debate being on or off tomorrow?

50 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:27am

re: #43 Moe Katz

Do Sikh kids get to wear the kirpan (ceremonial dagger) in any American school boards as they do in Canada?

First off, I doubt there are any Sikhs on school boards in America.

Second of all: if there were, why wouldn't they be able to wear the ceremonial dagger? A school board meeting doesn't have a cockpit that can be highjacked.

Hell, in certain states, I wouldn't be surprised if people wore their guns to school board meetings.

51 Cygnus  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:27am

re: #47 zombie

This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.

I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.

You could be bi and be both jealous and lustful.

52 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:49am

re: #47 zombie

And she is about to be a GILF!

53 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:58am

re: #47 zombie

This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.

I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.


She makes Nancy Pelosi look like she's had plastic surgery.

54 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:05:08am

re: #48 Moe Katz

You could also be lesbian...

re: #51 Cygnus

You could be bi and be both jealous and lustful.

Or, I could be a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual! Like Bob Hope in the quote that started this thread, might as well keep all bases covered.

55 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:06:43am

re: #53 Oldasdirt

She makes Nancy Pelosi look like she's had plastic surgery.

Nancy Pelosi is entirely held together by plastic surgery. She's had at least two operations, and probably plenty more.

56 Max Darkside  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:07:04am

re: #54 zombie

Or, I could be a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual! Like Bob Hope in the quote that started this thread, might as well keep all bases covered.

Hi Zombie!

Would a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual be a full 360 back to a fine lady again?

57 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:08:32am

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/not going well for Obama and his legal letter writing team lawyers

58 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:09:36am

re: #55 zombie

Nancy Pelosi is entirely held together by plastic surgery. She's had at least two operations, and probably plenty more.


I know.Thats why she allways looks like she just turned around and saw Reagan's ghost.

59 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:09:50am

re: #56 Max Darkside

Hi Zombie!

Would a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual be a full 360 back to a fine lady again?

Humans who are bi will date "anything that walks"; but as a bi zombie, I date "anything that staggers."

60 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:12:10am

Is Romero's recent remake of "Living Dead" worth bothering with?

61 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:15:11am

My bad, it's not a remake that Romero did last year.

62 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:15:28am

re: #57 Killian Bundy

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/not going well for Obama and his legal letter writing team lawyers

Ooooh, I like that new ad. Very effective.

Gotta be honest, I never gave much thought to the NRA in my life, aside from the vague impression, back in my moonbat days, that they were "gun nuts." But in this election cycle, they're an ally I'll gladly have (especially in Ohio and Pennsylviania).

63 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:15:35am

Damn,I just woke up from this terrible nightmare that our banking system was about to collapse,and the demon-crates were trying to fix it.Man,am i glad I'm awake now.

64 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:16:43am

re: #62 zombie

You're welcome!

65 zombie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:17:05am

re: #60 Moe Katz

Is Romero's recent remake of "Living Dead" worth bothering with?

Truthfully, I have little to no interest in "movie zombies." My name is a reference to actual Haitian voodoo reanimated corpses.

Folklore, not screen gore.

66 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:17:10am

re: #62 zombie

Ooooh, I likeI never gave much thought to the NRA in my life, aside from the vague impression, back in my moonbat days, that they were "gun nuts." But in this election cycle, they're an ally I'll gladly have (especially in Ohio and Pennsylviania).

Especially if they're not shooting at you.

67 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:17:56am

re: #65 zombie

Truthfully, I have little to no interest in "movie zombies." My name is a reference to actual Haitian voodoo reanimated corpses.

Folklore, not screen gore.

That sounds scarier than the movies.

68 NY Grampa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:19:54am

Well, good-night all. Thanks for the comments.

69 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:23:00am

re: #68 NY Grampa

Good night and good luck with the media player.

70 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:34:29am

My guilty conscience grows...

71 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:38:23am

re: #70 EIDE_Interface

If you have a guilty concience for four hours or more, call your doctor. Do not take if you've had a history of heart problems or high blood pressure...

72 Cygnus  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:38:24am

No goodnight for me. I'm stuck on third shift this week. Happily, this is my Friday. Yay!

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:39:11am

Has anyone watched the video of Palin being protected from witchcraft over at Hot Air? How bad is it?

74 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:40:48am

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Has anyone watched the video of Palin being protected from witchcraft over at Hot Air? How bad is it?

/don't you want to be protected from witchcraft?

75 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:42:00am

re: #74 Killian Bundy

Not really.

76 Karridine  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:42:43am

re: #74 Killian Bundy

I want to be protected from Palin

77 Karridine  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:42:57am

-hating moonbats everywhere!

78 Cygnus  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:42:58am

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Has anyone watched the video of Palin being protected from witchcraft over at Hot Air? How bad is it?

Linky, please.

79 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:43:46am

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Not really.

/you sure?

80 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:45:03am

re: #76 Karridine

I want to be protected from Palin

Too late.

/and you don't even live in this country

81 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:45:54am

re: #74 Killian Bundy

I think my Metlife policy covers witchcraft.

82 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:46:48am

re: #78 Cygnus

Video: Visiting pastor prays over Palin for protection from witchcraft

I'm still on dial up so I can't watch.

83 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:47:45am

re: #78 Cygnus

Linky, please.

/Sarah Palin Witch Hunting Pastor Returns to Wasilla, at least he doesn't eat 'em

84 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:47:51am

Peggy Noonan criticizes Palin again

Frankly I'm sick and tired of these GOP has-beens trashing Palin.

85 porkchop  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:48:56am

Bob Hope....i miss the man. Even before he died. He just went off into his own world. He was so loveable and witty. I doubt there will ever be anyone like him.

86 Karridine  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:51:29am

re: #85 porkchop

There won't... he had a heart of gold, sparkling wit, gentle good humor and broad intelligence, all for the entertainment of fellow humans and support to the troops who put their lives in harm's way to protect America!

87 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:52:02am

re: #81 Fenway_Nation

I think my Metlife policy covers witchcraft.

/you'd think Couric or Gibson would have asked her about it

88 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:53:18am
89 porkchop  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:54:24am

Oh yeah! Thanks for the memories !

90 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:57:43am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Video: Visiting pastor prays over Palin for protection from witchcraft

I'm still on dial up so I can't watch.

/lots of invocation of Jesus, it's all evangelical Christian, no dinosaurs

91 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:00:18am

re: #90 Killian Bundy

/lots of invocation of Jesus, it's all evangelical Christian, no dinosaurs

He didn't say "god damn America", so no smoking gun there.

92 Sylvester_T_Cat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:00:58am

re: #50 zombie


Second of all: if there were, why wouldn't they be able to wear the ceremonial dagger? A school board meeting doesn't have a cockpit that can be highjacked.


I think Moe Katz in his #43 was asking about American "school boards" in the same sense that we in the US would say "school districts". (Not sure but it makes sense that way ;-).)

Apparently Canadian schools are forced by a court ruling to allow male Sikh students to carry ceremonial daggers to school with them, with the predictable problems now happening. Multiculturism is the gift that keeps on giving.

Moe, I doubt very much that any US school districts anywhere are real thrilled to have kids running around school with 13" kirwans. Some districts are so far into the "zero tolerance for weapons" bit that they've been known to suspend kindergartners for having water pistols, nailfiles, empty cartridge cases.... We're at the other end of the spectrum I guess.

93 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:02:17am

re: #92 Sylvester_T_Cat

I think Moe Katz in his #43 was asking about American "school boards" in the same sense that we in the US would say "school districts". (Not sure but it makes sense that way ;-).)

Apparently Canadian schools are forced by a court ruling to allow male Sikh students to carry ceremonial daggers to school with them, with the predictable problems now happening. Multiculturism is the gift that keeps on giving.

Moe, I doubt very much that any US school districts anywhere are real thrilled to have kids running around school with 13" kirwans. Some districts are so far into the "zero tolerance for weapons" bit that they've been known to suspend kindergartners for having water pistols, nailfiles, empty cartridge cases.... We're at the other end of the spectrum I guess.

Paper clips can be awesome weapons...

94 Doctor Bulldog  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:04:07am

Some frickin' Orwellian Sh*t going on here in Missouri!

Working with local law enforcement, Team Obama has sent in a "Truth Squad" to "target" and prosecute ANYONE broadcasting anything Obama deems to be "untrue."

It's won't stop with Radio or T.V., oh no! Us bloggers are next on the chopping block!

Here's a link to my post on this:

DoctorBulldog.wordpress.com

95 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:04:16am

re: #92 Sylvester_T_Cat

I think Moe Katz in his #43 was asking about American "school boards" in the same sense that we in the US would say "school districts". (Not sure but it makes sense that way ;-).)

Apparently Canadian schools are forced by a court ruling to allow male Sikh students to carry ceremonial daggers to school with them, with the predictable problems now happening. Multiculturism is the gift that keeps on giving.

Moe, I doubt very much that any US school districts anywhere are real thrilled to have kids running around school with 13" kirwans. Some districts are so far into the "zero tolerance for weapons" bit that they've been known to suspend kindergartners for having water pistols, nailfiles, empty cartridge cases.... We're at the other end of the spectrum I guess.

Syl, I phrased that badly. It may be 'districts' in Canada, too. I was basically wondering, yes, if the zero tolerance policies so common in the US would preclude the sort of thing we've seen in Canada. Thanks.

96 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:06:12am

In certain urban areas in Canada we now have, ummm, minority kids packing heat. I guess we'll end up with metal detectors, armed guards, and the whole catastrophe eventually.

97 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:07:11am

re: #96 Moe Katz

In certain urban areas in Canada we now have, ummm, minority kids packing heat. I guess we'll end up with metal detectors, armed guards, and the whole catastrophe eventually.

The solution is to live as far away from them as possible.

98 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:08:38am

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

The solution is to live as far away from them as possible.

Yes, the exodus from Toronto to the farther suburbs is well under way.

99 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:08:52am

Well, not one green arrow to be found worldwide in the middle of our night. Dow futures down 190, expect that to at least double before the closing bell rings.

Who are these political assclowns that are costing you money day in and day out?

/weekends coming up, hope you can put gas in your car

100 CapitalistTool  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:09:28am

re: #55 zombie

Nancy Pelosi is entirely held together by plastic surgery. She's had at least two operations, and probably plenty more.

She should sue for malpractice.

101 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:11:24am

re: #99 Killian Bundy

/weekends coming up, hope you can put gas in your car

/and get some cash in your pocket.

102 HD Woman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:15:17am

Good morning nightshift!

Mark Levin tore Bill O'Reilly a new one![Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Can't we all just get along? LOL

103 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:15:59am

re: #102 HD Woman

Good morning nightshift!

Mark Levin tore Bill O'Reilly a new one![Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Can't we all just get along? LOL

I already mentioned it in #88.....

104 HD Woman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:17:38am

re: #88 EIDE_Interface
You're way ahead of me as usual. :)

105 nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:19:25am

No panic here, just a very clean, very pure desire to calmly get my arms COMPLETELY around what has happened to our Country's Financial markets over the last 13 days. I know that most of you think that this is an impossible goal given the complexity of the STREET, but right before us at this very moment emitting flat screen light and an ability to communicate with nano-second key strokes is this marvel of the 21st century! We can collect information to guide our decisions and our opinions... and most important (at least for the time being) we can share this information with each other.

For instance,

"QUESTION" (In the future, to save time I will just say Q?)

Q? What seems to be the most obvious vector for the current state of this Country's financial system. Was it a specific event within the stock-market , if so, what was the trigger to this event? Was it a series of triggers and if so what movement by individual firms or statements by individuals within each firm triggered a specific series of events?

See, with these lap-tops and PC's WE have the ability to de-construct a goodly amount of time-line to where we find ourselves at this moment. And we NEED to before this next election. I have some hunches as to what this all means, but in all honesty, it sounds like a couple of chapters from a Clancy novel. This is serious shit, I refuse to launch into the stratosphere on something so life changing to the nation as a whole. I have truly enjoyed this site Mr. Johnson and the fine lizards that people it. Thanks for allowing me to post here even after the 3rd glass. But folks, we have work to do and damn little time to do it in.

I sense a great danger close to America, but I am not afraid.

I am respectfully,

The Night watch

106 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:20:40am

Goin to sleep lizards.

107 HD Woman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:26:11am

re: #25 Karridine
That link doesn't work for me. Is it still active?

108 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:29:22am

re: #101 littleoldlady

/and get some cash in your pocket.

Did you mean Brass in Pocket?

/or Hand in my Pocket?

109 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:32:15am

re: #94 Doctor Bulldog

Some frickin' Orwellian Sh*t going on here in Missouri!

Working with local law enforcement, Team Obama has sent in a "Truth Squad" to "target" and prosecute ANYONE broadcasting anything Obama deems to be "untrue."

It's won't stop with Radio or T.V., oh no! Us bloggers are next on the chopping block!

Here's a link to my post on this:

DoctorBulldog.wordpress.com

That is downright frightening! Whatever happened to Freedom of the Press? Does that not apply in Missouri?

110 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:34:57am

Good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizard Nation!

Before I dive into the threads below, I got to tell you that the reporting of yesterday's derailment of the bail-out plan was reported in such a way by the BBC that I sent them a complaint.
Here it is:

"In BBC Breakfast this morning, and again in a photo on your World News page about the U.S.A. bail-out plans, you report and show in striking preference photos of the candidate of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama.
The candidate of the Republican Party, John McCain, only gets a brief mention and is not shown.

This is blatantly one-sided reporting, especially since it was the Democratic Party which has for years hindered President Bush from dealing with this issue.
Even more unfair is that there is no mention that John McCain's proposed legislation two years ago was derailed by the Democrat Congress.

I am not an American citizen and live here in the UK - but if I can find out these things, then your journalists in the USA should be able to.
After all - this was reported on FOX News in the USA yesterday, not to mention in various blogs. I do assume that your reporters are familiar with using the internet!

Blatant one-sided reporting is not what one usually associates with the BBC - I am stunned that this is going on to such an extent that a candidate for the election of President of the USA, namely John McCain, might as well not exis as far as the BBC is concerned..
Shame on your reporters, editors and producers!"

Fuming in Wales...
(No, I didn't sign off with that, but it describes my condition!)

111 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:38:31am

re: #110 yma o hyd

What's the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scottish crofter?

112 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:40:15am

yma o hyd! :-)

113 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:41:11am

Jagger goes, "Hey, you, get offa my cloud" and the Scottish crofter goes, "Hey, McLeod, get offa my ewe."

114 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:46:15am

re: #110 yma o hyd

Good morning :) As far as the BBC goes, they and all too many "news organizations" - properly read propaganda organs - are firmly convinced that no election is necessary and that Barrak Hussein Obama is already POTUS. And they are even rigging the polls.

115 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:46:41am

re: #113 Moe Katz

I'm positive you killed that thread with that one, Moe.

116 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:48:05am

re: #114 galloping granny

Complete with the 'Stupid Americans' lamentation should the 0ne lose on Nov. 4th.

117 Ledger1  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:49:00am

re: #25 Karridine

It appears that McCain was temporarily out maneuvered by the dems.

[The Belmont Club quotes Politico]

It was McCain who had urged Bush to call the White House meeting but Democrats made sure Obama had a prominent part. And much as they complained later of being blindsided, the whole event turned out to be something of an ambush on their part—aimed at McCain and House Republicans. “Speaking professionally,” said one Republican aide, “They did a very good job.” When Bush yielded early to Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) to speak, they yielded to Obama to speak for the assembled Democrats. And it was Obama who raised the subject of the conservative alternative and pressed Paulson on what he thought of the idea. House Republicans felt trapped—squeezed by Treasury, House Democrats and a bipartisan coalition in the Senate. And while McCain spoke surprisingly little after asking for the meeting, he conceded that it appeared there were not the votes for the core Paulson plan without major changes.

[The Belmont Club quotes ABC]

Paulson walked into the room where Democrats were caucusing after today’s meeting at the White House and pleaded with them, “Please don’t blow this up.” Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chair of the House Financial Services Committee was livid saying, “Don’t say that to us after all we’ve been through!” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “We’re not the ones trying to blow this up

[Wretchard notes the bottom line is extortion by the dems]

Who you gonna call? Who you gonna believe? Bailout anyone? A crisis creates an incredible opportunity to play partisan politics. ‘Want me out of the way? Buy me off.’


The shape of things to come

I suspect we are seeing a well planned financial ambush by the dems. They want to scorch the country financially to win the election.

118 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:53:17am

Well since we're all going to die anyway, I'm installing XPSP3, because Window update gas been bugging me for over a month now.

What do I care?

/can't be worse than Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi managing my investments

119 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:56:37am

Windows is creating a "system restore point".

/nothing good can come of that

120 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:59:11am

re: #116 Fenway_Nation

Complete with the 'Stupid Americans' lamentation should the 0ne lose on Nov. 4th.

You know, I am damned sick of that "stupid Americans" meme. We are smart enough to feed half the world. Smart enough to land man on the moon. Smart enough that every major cure for every disease and virtually all modern drugs have come from our shores. Smart enough to put a telephone in every hand and a TV in every living room as well as a car in every garage. Smart enough to put a computer on every desk top and in the hands of every school child. Smart enough to invent modern production methods. Smart enough to build the Panama Canal. Smart enough to cure polio on dimes collected by housewives and pennies collected by children. Smart enough to fund the rebuilding of the entire economy of Europe after World War II.

When Europe manages to accomplish anything other than periodic universal destruction by way of internecine warfare then they might have something to talk to us "Stupid Americans" about. In the meantime, they should shut the hell up and start footing the bill for their own defense.

121 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:59:48am

Is fruitcup an investment that can appreciate in value? What if we have a fruitcup-heavy portfolio?

122 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

123 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:15am

It's taking minutes, installing lots of files.

/hopefully, I'll be back after it's done

124 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:30am

re: #118 Killian Bundy

Well since we're all going to die anyway, I'm installing XPSP3, because Window update gas been bugging me for over a month now.

What do I care?

/can't be worse than Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi managing my investments

You are a brave man. I have heard bad things about SP3.

125 Mel Lono  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:33am

Just dropped in for fruitcake cup. Can't sleep with the fate of the modern financial world on the brink of collapse.

126 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:53am

re: #122 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

Did you make coffee too, or do I have to bring my own?

127 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:01:01am

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

Is fruitcup an investment that can appreciate in value? What if we have a fruitcup-heavy portfolio?

Fenway! :-)

APPLESAUCE FUTURES!

/can't be any worse than what we've got now...

128 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:01:36am

re: #125 Mel Lono

Just dropped in for fruitcake cup. Can't sleep with the fate of the modern financial world on the brink of collapse.

Unless you have zillions riding on it you might as well sleep now. After all, it is us "Stupid Americans" who have to foot the bill.

129 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:04:18am

re: #120 galloping granny

Thanks granny,

Your the Best.

130 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:04:27am

re: #127 littleoldlady


/can't be any worse than what we've got now...

Worse than hard-earned taxpayer money going to ACORN?

131 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:04:36am

re: #124 galloping granny

You are a brave man. I have heard bad things about SP3.

It's "finishing installation".

/taking way too long

132 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:05:30am

re: #122 littleoldlady

Opps- I misdinged I was so excited for fruitcup!

133 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:05:46am

granny! :-)

Okay, okay. I'll share my coffee.

/the "every man for himself" philosophy didn't work out too well...

134 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:06:35am

re: #131 Killian Bundy

It's "finishing installation".

/taking way too long

This is Microsoft you are talking about.

135 Temujin  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:00am

re: #122 littleoldlady

Thank you, LoL. Delicious, as always.

136 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:21am

Okay, it's done.

/hopefully see you after a reboot

137 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:50am

re: #133 littleoldlady

granny! :-)

Okay, okay. I'll share my coffee.

/the "every man for himself" philosophy didn't work out too well...

Thanks much little. I am cranky this morning. Got informed last night that I have to drive 200 miles or so this morning and sit around and wait for about 4 hours. I am not enthused to say the very least.

138 Mel Lono  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:58am

re: #128 galloping granny
Sorry, sarc/ button was off. Who called me a "stupid American" by the way?

139 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:08:21am

Sharmuta! :-)

Isn't it nice that Charles invented correctable dings? ;-)

Mel! :-)

Killian! :-)

Nightwatch! :-)

LGF! :-)

140 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:08:36am

O.K,

I love fruit-cup, but why never no Ambrosia? (even with the spell-check, it still don't look right) maybe thats why...

141 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:09:02am

re: #139 littleoldlady

No- I didn't ding the wrong way- I dinged the wrong post.

142 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:09:08am

re: #137 galloping granny

At least you don't live in Atlanta

/where you wouldn't be able to get the gas to get home...

143 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:10:32am

re: #136 Killian Bundy

If not, nice knowing you....

144 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:10:44am

re: #138 Mel Lono

Sorry, sarc/ button was off. Who called me a "stupid American" by the way?

See #116 and #120

145 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:11:03am

re: #142 littleoldlady


Serious, Ike put that hard a hit on supplies?

146 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:12:56am

re: #142 littleoldlady

At least you don't live in Atlanta

/where you wouldn't be able to get the gas to get home...

This is very true. I hear Tennessee is no better. Plenty of gas here in New Enland and the price has been steadily dropping for a month or so now. Not even a blip for the hurricanes. Though I think that may have something to do with President Bush's order wiping out all of the individual state designer gas requirements. (About time that happened. Too bad it is temporary.)

147 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:15am

re: #145 Nightwatch

There was (still is?) an inexplicable lack of gas in certain Southern states, as well as a seemingly random spike in prices in some areas.

Ike? Maybe. I dunno.

148 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:21am

RoP continues its peaceful inner struggle....
German police seize terror suspects on KLM flight

-- German police commandos grabbed two terrorist suspects from an Amsterdam-bound flight early Friday before the plane took off from Cologne, police said.


A 23-year-old Somali man and a 24-year-old German born in Somalia were arrested before the KLM flight left the airport, North Rhine-Westphalia state police said.

....
Germany's top-selling Bild newspaper, citing police sources, said the two had been under observation for months and a suicide note was found in their apartment saying that they wanted to die for the "jihad" or "holy war."

149 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:40am

re: #145 Nightwatch

Serious, Ike put that hard a hit on supplies?

No - rumours and a run on the tank put that hard a hit on supplies.

150 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:43am

re: #115 littleoldlady

I'm positive you killed that thread with that one, Moe.

I was hoping to revive it, actually, with a McCain-like stroke of the unexpected.

151 akak  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:14:17am

What is worse SP3 or Ad Aware?

152 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:14:43am

re: #151 akak

What is worse SP3 or Ad Aware?

What does one have to do with the other?

153 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:16:04am

re: #136 Killian Bundy

Okay, it's done.

/hopefully see you after a reboot

Back.

/seems pretty hairless

154 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:16:32am

re: #147 littleoldlady

Gotta wonder, here on the left coast we have two MAJOR refineries north and south of my home, yet we still pay some of the highest $$ pr gal.

155 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:17:08am

re: #151 akak

What is worse SP3 or Ad Aware?

It's all good.

/what's your problem?

156 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:17:10am

[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]

Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.

157 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:18:13am

re: #154 Nightwatch

Gotta wonder, here on the left coast we have two MAJOR refineries north and south of my home, yet we still pay some of the highest $$ pr gal.

That is because over there on the left coast, ordinary gasoline like most people use just won't do. You have designer gasoline with special requirements.

158 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:18:48am

re: #150 Moe Katz

I was hoping to revive it, actually, with a McCain-like stroke of the unexpected.

Note to the drama queens in Washington:

I'm getting way too old for all of these "unexpecteds".

/Cardiologist Conspiracy!

159 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:19:34am

re: #156 Sharmuta

[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]

Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.

Does it take into account the huge jump in mandatory deductions that are not labeled "taxes" that some of Obama's plans like universal health care would entail? Or will those just be slipped in under the radar like that mandatory Medicare tax was some years back?

160 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:19:45am

re: #149 galloping granny

did you mean run on the BANK?:}

161 akak  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:20:44am

the frustration

installation problems with SP3, and Ad Aware has the nasty problem of freezing 2/3 of the way thru a scan.

Plus I have to do both on 4 computers.

162 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:21:03am

re: #158 littleoldlady

Note to the drama queens in Washington:

I'm getting way too old for all of these "unexpecteds".

/Cardiologist Conspiracy!

Stocks in drug companies making anxiolytics and antidepressants are probably not following the general market trend at the moment.

163 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:21:19am

re: #156 Sharmuta

[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]

Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.

/post something we don't already know or couldn't readily guess, if we weren't all on anti-psychotic drugs

164 axegrinder  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:22:15am

re: #146 galloping granny

Plenty of gas here in Houston. Of course, that might be because our economy was basically on hold for two weeks waiting to get power back. Don't use much gas if you don't have a job with power to go to.

165 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:22:21am

re: #160 Nightwatch

did you mean run on the BANK?:}

No, I meant run on the tank. A scenario that some of us remember very well from the 70's. Rumours get started about running out of gas because of this or that, so people drag every car they own down and fill it up to the brim, resulting in huge lines and a complete emptying of the storage tanks at the gas station. Leaving no gas to sell until supplies are renewed - and each of those underground tanks can hold an entire gas tanker's worth of gas.

166 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:24:14am

re: #157 galloping granny


I very much hope that GW puts a ball point pen through the heart of that one(I hear the distant swearing of BABS from the cliffs of her Malibu XANDU) sarc/very on

167 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:24:57am

re: #161 akak

the frustration

installation problems with SP3, and Ad Aware has the nasty problem of freezing 2/3 of the way thru a scan.

Plus I have to do both on 4 computers.

I am not going to install SP3. If you are having problems with AdAware then I would consider the possibility of a worm/trojan/virus that does not want to leave. I got the first infection I have had in a couple of decades a couple of weeks back - Virtumundo, came in on an IWin game that is supposed to be "safe" - and the thing took me 6+ programs and three days to clean out.

168 axegrinder  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:26:13am

re: #165 galloping granny

We had that on the Wednesday and Thursday before Ike hit. I'm guilty. I was in line for 35 minutes with the truck and almost an hour with the car. Had to put premium in the car because that was all they had left. Lots of folks getting gas for their generators as well.

169 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:26:30am

re: #166 Nightwatch

I very much hope that GW puts a ball point pen through the heart of that one(I hear the distant swearing of BABS from the cliffs of her Malibu XANDU) sarc/very on

He did right before the hurricanes struck. Unfortunately, the ban is only temporary. Yeah, California costs the rest of us quite some little bit of money because ya'll are so doggoned "special" out there with your "special" cars and "special" gas. BABS should jump off the cliff.

170 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:27:55am

re: #156 Sharmuta

[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]

Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.

Is this the link you posted?

/because that's wahtc ame up under IE7/XPSP3

171 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:28:23am

re: #168 axegrinder

We had that on the Wednesday and Thursday before Ike hit. I'm guilty. I was in line for 35 minutes with the truck and almost an hour with the car. Had to put premium in the car because that was all they had left. Lots of folks getting gas for their generators as well.

Makes a very good argument for "Be Prepared." Gas, flashlights, batteries and food can be darned hard to find in an emergency.

172 akak  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:29:08am

re: #167 galloping granny

I am not going to install SP3. If you are having problems with AdAware then I would consider the possibility of a worm/trojan/virus that does not want to leave. I got the first infection I have had in a couple of decades a couple of weeks back - Virtumundo, came in on an IWin game that is supposed to be "safe" - and the thing took me 6+ programs and three days to clean out.

I have Norton, McAfee & AVG running on 4 computers (not each) 2 networks and no viruses are showing up.

I think it's a common problem after looking at their support forum?

173 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:29:48am

re: #165 galloping granny

Let me tell ya about getting up at OH-DARK-30 to gas up my Dad's and my MOM's car on the EVEN days during the peanut farmer's pathetic reign.

Then being in the military and watching DAY 233+++ of the Iranian hostage crisis(many TV sets in the BEQ were destroyed by flying beer cans!) Being in the military during his stint as CIC.............sucked!

174 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:35:30am

re: #172 akak

I have Norton, McAfee & AVG running on 4 computers (not each) 2 networks and no viruses are showing up.

I think it's a common problem after looking at their support forum?

Antiviruses only pick up viruses for starters. Worms/trojans are not viruses and most antivirus program will not detect them. I had an antivirus running on this machine when I got infected. Comodo. Replaced that.

Norton and McAfee are not worth the discs that you buy them on. AVG is now bloatware that takes a huge amount of RAM to run and slows down the internet greatly by prescanning every page you look at. Antiviruses are generally only as good as their definitions are up to date, so in many cases your update from an hour or two ago might very well miss some new iteration of something. I prefer an antivirus that has an heuristic function - operates on the principle that if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, it is a duck until proven otherwise.

I replaced AVG with Comodo when AVG went to 8.0 and I could barely load a page. When I got Virtumundo, I went looking for a more reliable antivirus, one that did not take a gig of space and an entire 512 MB of RAM just to operate. I ended up with ESET - tiny footprint, has everything you need then some. Still on the 30 day trial but I will likely buy this one.

175 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:36:59am

Dow futures down 150.

need to nap for three hours

176 Mel Lono  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:37:02am

re: #173 Nightwatch

OH-DARK-30

must be Navy. Thanks sailor. Coast Guard here.

177 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:38:19am

re: #173 Nightwatch

Let me tell ya about getting up at OH-DARK-30 to gas up my Dad's and my MOM's car on the EVEN days during the peanut farmer's pathetic reign.

Then being in the military and watching DAY 233+++ of the Iranian hostage crisis(many TV sets in the BEQ were destroyed by flying beer cans!) Being in the military during his stint as CIC.............sucked!

I remember the days all too well. The unemployment lines that went round the block, the $2 limit on gas purchases that were barely enough for some folks to move the car from one line to the next (luckily we had one of the first 250 Pintos sold in this country and $2 would fill the tank, which was then good for about 450 miles). Not pretty.

178 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:38:53am

re: #174 galloping granny

I have been led to understand that a simple router(?) is all the protection we really need and so much cheaper(OOPPS!) wrong word around Mr. Bill's clan....%)

179 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:41:34am

re: #178 Nightwatch

I have been led to understand that a simple router(?) is all the protection we really need and so much cheaper(OOPPS!) wrong word around Mr. Bill's clan....%)

NO, no no no no! I have a router. Two actually. One to interface with the internet and another to provide a wireless LAN. That does nothing for your email or stuff embedded in pages you visit or things you download. You NEED an antivirus. And a software firewall.

180 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:42:26am

Pretty happy with Kaspersky anti-virus. I make the bootable cd-rom from it and use it to scan the hard drive if I'm in any doubt---the trojans can't load if you're booting from another drive. Kaspersky doesn't load the system down too badly and it learns from experience so as to consume fewer resources when checking something repeatedly.

181 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:46:04am

By the way, this system is SP3 and runs just fine. SP3 is basically just a roll-up of a lot of individual security fixes, AFAIK. It's still basically SP2.

182 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:48:47am

re: #180 Moe Katz

Pretty happy with Kaspersky anti-virus. I make the bootable cd-rom from it and use it to scan the hard drive if I'm in any doubt---the trojans can't load if you're booting from another drive. Kaspersky doesn't load the system down too badly and it learns from experience so as to consume fewer resources when checking something repeatedly.

Virtumundo copies itself onto the other drives. (So it will also be in that special segregated compartment where your XP backup files are.) And writes itself into the registry. It loads - period. And it is hell in a handcart to get rid of. Of course it is a trojan, not a virus.

183 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:49:21am

re: #177 galloping granny


Gotta tell you, just 3 doors down with spider webs anchoring the frame to the driveway and a root-beer brown paint job just so GONE from the left coast sunlight,(did I mention 4 flat tires, yet an IMMACULATE body) is none-other than a frozen in time FORD PINTO! Kinda alittle freaky that the son of the owner who died what...6 years ago just leaves it there yet has gardeners keeping up the look of the place yet he doesn't live there.
Just comes by about once a month to check the mail-box and never a hello or nothing.

184 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:54:39am

Wow. If you folks haven't read this, do - well worth a read.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

185 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:54:56am

re: #179 galloping granny

Not to worry, Knights along the ramparts armed with heavy pull crosbows and claymores for the real nasties.

Gotta tell ya though, Mainframe Tech talk on an open thread is kinda like "Loose Lips...


watch yer six.."}

186 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:58:20am

re: #112 littleoldlady

yma o hyd! :-)

Top of the morning to you, littleoldlady!

At least the sun is shining ...

187 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:59:15am

re: #183 Nightwatch

Gotta tell you, just 3 doors down with spider webs anchoring the frame to the driveway and a root-beer brown paint job just so GONE from the left coast sunlight,(did I mention 4 flat tires, yet an IMMACULATE body) is none-other than a frozen in time FORD PINTO! Kinda alittle freaky that the son of the owner who died what...6 years ago just leaves it there yet has gardeners keeping up the look of the place yet he doesn't live there.
Just comes by about once a month to check the mail-box and never a hello or nothing.

How strange. Our particular Pinto was made in Germany and had a Porsche engine. I don't remember what German Ford was calling the model, but we had rented one for a summer tour with my parents while we were there. Dad worked for Ford at the time and when US Ford decided to give Pinto a whirl over here we got one of the first few they brought over as a trial balloon. Boy that was one heck of a car.

All the guys in their big honkers would pull up to my little roller skate at the light and rev up that great big V8 engine - and I would leave them in the dust. The looks I would get were priceless.

/Yes, yes, Granny has a lead foot. Someday I will be old and rich and drive a little red Vette. :)

188 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:00:50am

re: #185 Nightwatch

Not to worry, Knights along the ramparts armed with heavy pull crosbows and claymores for the real nasties.

Gotta tell ya though, Mainframe Tech talk on an open thread is kinda like "Loose Lips...


watch yer six.."}

Ye gods - I haven't heard anyone mention a mainframe in lo these many years. I did quite like the VAX. And the internet was so much more fun when you printed out Yahoo on green & white striped paper and had to wade through reams of the stuff to find the link you wanted. :)

189 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:01:17am

re: #113 Moe Katz

Huh - didn't know the Scots were also targets of sheep-shagging jokes ...
Its usually the Welsh who are subjects of such jokes - and we do not take kindly to that!

Leeks at dawn, matey!

190 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:03:53am

re: #182 galloping granny

Virtumundo copies itself onto the other drives. (So it will also be in that special segregated compartment where your XP backup files are.) And writes itself into the registry. It loads - period. And it is hell in a handcart to get rid of. Of course it is a trojan, not a virus.

Give Kaspersky a try, they have a one-month free trial, and it's a top-rated program. Very light on system resources.... Trojan Horses are a subclass of viruses, and extremely hard to get rid of, I agree.

191 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:05:08am

re: #189 yma o hyd

Huh - didn't know the Scots were also targets of sheep-shagging jokes ...
Its usually the Welsh who are subjects of such jokes - and we do not take kindly to that!

Leeks at dawn, matey!

That joke has a sort of provenance: Rod Stewart is said to have found it extremely funny and to have gone telling it to everyone he knew.

192 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:06:51am

Good morning, Lizards.

193 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:08:33am

re: #190 Moe Katz

Give Kaspersky a try, they have a one-month free trial, and it's a top-rated program. Very light on system resources.... Trojan Horses are a subclass of viruses, and extremely hard to get rid of, I agree.

I'll take a look at it at any rate.

194 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:08:47am

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Morning Goddess - how's things?

195 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:11:36am

{galloping granny }

Things are good! I'm having a great year at school. I can't remember--has your granddaughter read Avi's Nothing But the Truth? We're doing the play version in November.

196 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:13:43am

re: #189 yma o hyd

Huh - didn't know the Scots were also targets of sheep-shagging jokes ...
Its usually the Welsh who are subjects of such jokes - and we do not take kindly to that!

Leeks at dawn, matey!

Scots don't take kindly either...especially before they've finished their first cups of coffee...

197 Mel Lono  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:14:19am

re: #184 galloping granny

Interesting read. Thought about forwarding it to my Jewish Dem friends, but I think they'd still miss the point.

198 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:15:17am

re: #195 goddessoftheclassroom

{galloping granny }

Things are good! I'm having a great year at school. I can't remember--has your granddaughter read Avi's Nothing But the Truth? We're doing the play version in November.

No, she hasn't. I've had one or two from Avi for free reading for her, but they weren't quite her cup of tea. This year we are doing science fiction. Currently Jurassic Park, looking at the science behind "bringing back the dinosaurs."

She is very enthusiastic this year too.

199 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:15:33am

re: #191 Moe Katz

That joke has a sort of provenance: Rod Stewart is said to have found it extremely funny and to have gone telling it to everyone he knew.

Thing is, while jokes told amongst a tribe can be screamingly funny, they can become quite hurtful when told by 'outsiders' who, moreover, belong to a tibe which is eprceived as supressors.

Thus, these sheep jokes are severely frowned upon in Wales because they're usually told by the English and used as a means to denigrate and belittle Walians, especially as there are more sheep in Wales than humans ...

What the Scots do amongst themselves - huh, the poor things carry a heavy burden, what with long hours of darkness and Nessie ... we forgive our Celtic Brethren!

200 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:17:28am

re: #197 Mel Lono

Interesting read. Thought about forwarding it to my Jewish Dem friends, but I think they'd still miss the point.

It is exceedingly strange to me how soon so many in the Jewish community have forgotten. I used to be completely unable to comprehend how virtually the entire Jewish community of Europe could fail to see Hitler's grand plans and how that would apply to them, how they could keep passing things off for so long. More recently just how that inability happened has become quite clear.

201 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:11am

re: #199 yma o hyd

What the Scots do amongst themselves - huh, the poor things carry a heavy burden, what with long hours of darkness and Nessie ... we forgive our Celtic Brethren!

Et tu, Brute?

202 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:16am

re: #196 scottishbuzzsaw

Scots don't take kindly either...especially before they've finished their first cups of coffee...

See - its the non-Celts who are the culprits!

How are you today? Sun shining already?
Its a glorious Autumn morning here again.
Miss Dog found a wonderful, brand new tennis ball in the park today. It is black and yellow, like yin and yang! She loves it!

203 Salamantis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:31am

German Police Seize Suspects on Plane

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Excerpt:

BERLIN — German police boarded a Dutch airliner Friday at Cologne-Bonn airport and seized two suspected terrorists who had been under surveillance for several months, police told German news organizations.

A special unit of German officers arrested the two men at 6:55 a.m. local time and, in a related operation, found apparent suicide notes at their apartment, a police spokesman was quoted as saying. The men were not identified by name but were said to be a 23-year-old Somali and a 24-year-old German of Somali descent.

Michaela Heyer, a police spokeswoman, said that, contrary to initial reports, the airplane was not stormed by police. “The arrest was entirely unspectacular,” she said. There was “no indication” that either man was carrying explosives or weapons.

The police boarded the plane shortly before it was to take off and took the two men into custody. They were “suspected of wishing to participate in jihad and possible attacks,” she said. She declined to give further details because the investigation was continuing.

204 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:50am

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning, Goddess!

205 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:19:00am

re: #187 galloping granny

In high school, one of my casual friends who also happened to be a long-haired, madman about hot-rods FREAK! He used his daddy's welding torch to implant a COBRA 427 into a cobalt blue Pinto with some Frankenstein esk M-22 rear-end and a special order B&M shifter.
When he dumped the clutch in front of school this beast would spin 360s like a pit-bull on crack! Totaled it in the parking lot of the Foster's Freeze less than a month after bringing that monster to life.(He walked away from it ) Took out 5 or 6 parked cars and his dad got stuck with the bill.

That was the last hybrid he ever got to build.:)

206 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:20:25am

re: #192 goddessoftheclassroom


Morning M' LADY

(Bows @ waist)

207 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:20:31am

re: #198 galloping granny

No, she hasn't. I've had one or two from Avi for free reading for her, but they weren't quite her cup of tea. This year we are doing science fiction. Currently Jurassic Park, looking at the science behind "bringing back the dinosaurs."

She is very enthusiastic this year too.

This one is a "documentary novel"--the story is told via memos, letters, radio reports, and newspaper articles. It's a great way for kids to see how bias and spin can affect what people see as truth.

208 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:20:56am

re: #205 Nightwatch

In high school, one of my casual friends who also happened to be a long-haired, madman about hot-rods FREAK! He used his daddy's welding torch to implant a COBRA 427 into a cobalt blue Pinto with some Frankenstein esk M-22 rear-end and a special order B&M shifter.
When he dumped the clutch in front of school this beast would spin 360s like a pit-bull on crack! Totaled it in the parking lot of the Foster's Freeze less than a month after bringing that monster to life.(He walked away from it ) Took out 5 or 6 parked cars and his dad got stuck with the bill.

That was the last hybrid he ever got to build.:)

ROFLMAO! I was a little better to mine. Though I did know a guy that needed roller skates on the rear bumper of his.

209 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:21:37am

re: #202 yma o hyd

See - its the non-Celts who are the culprits!

How are you today? Sun shining already?
Its a glorious Autumn morning here again.
Miss Dog found a wonderful, brand new tennis ball in the park today. It is black and yellow, like yin and yang! She loves it!

Sun hasn't risen yet...still o'dark thirty...not sure I'm speaking to you...but I'm very glad Miss Dog is happy with her new ball...;>)

210 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:21:51am

re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom

This one is a "documentary novel"--the story is told via memos, letters, radio reports, and newspaper articles. It's a great way for kids to see how bias and spin can affect what people see as truth.

I'll take a peek at it then. We're doing introductory logic/reasoning this year.

211 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:23:07am

re: #200 galloping granny

It is exceedingly strange to me how soon so many in the Jewish community have forgotten. I used to be completely unable to comprehend how virtually the entire Jewish community of Europe could fail to see Hitler's grand plans and how that would apply to them, how they could keep passing things off for so long. More recently just how that inability happened has become quite clear.

Yes - and the even more troubling aspect of this is that some of them did see it, did warn, but were totally disregarded.
He was one of them ...

I think its to do with an unwillingness to read or listen to those who do not share the same perceived political outlook - left-leaning in Germany, conservative in the USA.

212 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:25:14am

re: #201 scottishbuzzsaw

Et tu, Brute?

Its just a bit of fun between Celts (Irish included) - having a laugh amongst ourselves!
Non-Celts don't understand and need to be told off when they try to butt in!

213 loflyer  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:26:39am

Arrrr, morning mates! Bob Hope was a classy guy, unlike Jane Fonda, Hope always supported the troops. God bless him!

214 Nightwatch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:26:41am

Thank you all for the exchanges, it's been fun.

I must head to sleep, the eyes dodroop])

215 galloping granny  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:26:41am

Gotta go folks. Have to be out the door in 5 minutes and I am still in PJ's. Have a great day.

216 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:27:55am

re: #209 scottishbuzzsaw

Sun hasn't risen yet...still o'dark thirty...not sure I'm speaking to you...but I'm very glad Miss Dog is happy with her new ball...;>)

Yep - at least she's now showing more interest in playing!
That heart medication seems to have made her put on weight, horrors, and thus she's slowed down a lot.
Vet told me to chivvy her on - so I've put her on a diet and am kicking butt, figuratively speaking: seems to work ...

217 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:31:01am

BBL - quick trip to the shops for some neccessities, and then another lovely romp in the park with Miss Dog.
Wish I could send you our beautiful autumn weather - not a cloud in the sky!
We're all making the most of it, storms predicted for next week ...

218 loflyer  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:31:16am

Yaaar, here is some music to wake up the lizards, Coldplay

219 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:31:39am

re: #217 yma o hyd

BBL - quick trip to the shops for some neccessities, and then another lovely romp in the park with Miss Dog.
Wish I could send you our beautiful autumn weather - not a cloud in the sky!
We're all making the most of it, storms predicted for next week ...

Enjoy!

220 uptight  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:35:18am

What would be the worst thing you could wish on that bastard Omar Bakri Mohammed, leader of Al Muhajiroun?

Drowning beer?
Choking on pork rinds?
Son converting to Judaism?
Daughter becoming a stripper?

It's all fun and schadenfreude until someone cops an honour killing.

221 loflyer  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:41:18am

re: #220 uptight

What would be the worst thing you could wish on that bastard Omar Bakri Mohammed, leader of Al Muhajiroun?

Drowning beer?
Choking on pork rinds?
Son converting to Judaism?
Daughter becoming a stripper?

It's all fun and schadenfreude until someone cops an honour killing.

Arrr, the buxom lass is living life on the edge! Hope she doesn't end up in the obits any time soon!

222 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:48:09am

Have a great day, Lizards!

In addition to the Prayer List, I'm praying that our leaders will be guided by wisdom, not selfishness.

223 uptight  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:54:10am

re: #220 uptight

What would be the worst thing you could wish on that bastard Omar Bakri Mohammed, leader of Al Muhajiroun?

Drowning beer?
Choking on pork rinds?
Son converting to Judaism?
Daughter becoming a stripper?

It's all fun and schadenfreude until someone cops an honour killing.

Actually - considering Paul McCartney just defied the DEATH THREAT made against him by Omar Bakri Mohammed, it hasn't exactly been a good day for the Islamofascist!

224 loflyer  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:01:25am

re: #223 uptight

Actually - considering Paul McCartney just defied the DEATH THREAT made against him by Omar Bakri Mohammed, it hasn't exactly been a good day for the Islamofascist!

Yaaar, good for Paul! Band on the run!

225 RTLM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:01:25am

Dutch Government: Fitna cause for Netherlands as "Preferred Target" of Islamic terrorists.

Cologne, Germany - German police commandos boarded a plane at Cologne airport just before it took off for Amsterdam and arrested two terrorist suspects Friday morning, police said.

A 23-year-old Somali man and a 24-year-old German man born in Somalia were arrested before the KLM flight left the airport, a spokeswoman for North Rhine-Westphalia state police said.

Police spokeswoman Katharina Breuer told The Associated Press that officers boarded the plane at 6:55 a.m. (0455 GMT) and arrested the men without incident. She said authorities do not suspect the men planned to abduct the flight.

Germany's top-selling Bild newspaper, citing police sources, said the two had been under observation for months and a suicide note was found in their apartment saying that they wanted to die for the "jihad" or "holy war."

Earlier this month, the Dutch government's anti-terror chief warned that the country remains one of the top targets for Islamic terrorist groups because of publicity surrounding a lawmaker's anti-Islam film.

The National Coordinator for Combating Terrorism said in a report the film "Fitna" by lawmaker Geert Wilders has made the country a "preferred target."

What a stupid statement.

Call it what it is: An averted suicide plane hijacking.

226 loflyer  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:03:32am

Haar, BBL mates, time for breakfast but I have the day off, so I will return after I finished breakfast and a staff meeting. Yo Ho!

227 ArmyWife  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:05:46am

re: #47 zombie

It simply isn't fair, is it? I looked like a tank after I had both my girls. I lost it fairly quickly with the first one (but not as quickly as Sarah!) - I still have a bit of pregnancy weight to lose from the second one. She is now 10.

228 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:05:47am

re: #226 loflyer

Haar, BBL mates, time for breakfast but I have the day off, so I will return after I finished breakfast and a staff meeting. Yo Ho!

Is it still "Talk like a Pirate Day?!"

229 ArmyWife  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:07:14am

Off to work to see how this is affecting our Business Leaders. I predict a stressful day of creating "what if" scenarios....

230 joncelli  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:07:52am

Wet, dark day in the Philly suburbs to go along with today's bad news. I think McCain's gamble got ambushed by the Democrats and now he's got to debate Obambi from a position of weakness. This is only going to make things worse in the polls, too. 39 days until election day, one debate tonight and 4 more to go. I'm not feeling good about this.

231 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:08:02am

re: #228 scottishbuzzsaw

Is it still "Talk like a Pirate Day?!"


Nope, lo just got caught in a Yaaar loop. It will self repeat until his brain reboots.

232 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:09:38am

re: #231 Panhandler

Nope, lo just got caught in a Yaaar loop. It will self repeat until his brain reboots.

Mornin' Panhandler...how are you today?

233 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:11:09am

re: #232 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' Panhandler...how are you today?

Just fine maam. The BSA ran like a clock yesterday and I still have money in the bank. Yourself?

234 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:11:28am

Good Morning, Lizard nation.
"Deal or no deal?" Our intrepid leaders are still at it.
Barney Frank & Dodd trying to fix the problem? Like bank robbers installing the new security system.
Schumer said that he thinks that "Over the years, Freddie & Fannie have done a fantastic job!" Honest, he said that.

235 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:13:02am

re: #200 galloping granny

It is exceedingly strange to me how soon so many in the Jewish community have forgotten. I used to be completely unable to comprehend how virtually the entire Jewish community of Europe could fail to see Hitler's grand plans and how that would apply to them, how they could keep passing things off for so long. More recently just how that inability happened has become quite clear.

Before we get too smug here, can anyone remember a couple of salient details that prevented the Jews from getting out of harms way, i.e. most of them didn't have the money to leave, and even if they did, where exactly would they have gone, since most countries - including the United States - would not let them in.

Not to worry, though. You would be surprised how many people in the survivor community have a bag packed, cash (or gold) on hand, passports ready, and dual citizenship - just in case.

236 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:14:22am

re: #233 Panhandler

Just fine maam. The BSA ran like a clock yesterday and I still have money in the bank. Yourself?

Glad you enjoyed your ride...I'm doing well, thank you, but still absorbing the news from yesterday...this roller coaster of an election cycle has me a bit disoriented...otherwise, it's Friday, and that's always a good thing.

237 uptight  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:15:53am
238 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:20:19am

re: #236 scottishbuzzsaw

There is a good chance that things will be hammered out today. The longer the wait, the worse the heartburn. The thinking threads I've been on all night generally reach the conclusion that the Paulson/Dem bailout will not go forth. They say look more for a McCain loan setup with the profits from same going back into the Treasury, and no ACORN gimmie like Reid/Pelosi tried to stick in. Also say goodbye to the student loan/carloan boondoggle and Reid's Oil shale ban.

239 mama winger  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:27:56am

Good morning LGF friends.

I have to get ready for work this morning, but I wanted to drop in for a minute and tell you to watch for an alternative deal on this bail-out thingy.

Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin) is a fantastic fiscal conservative who is working with others like him for an alternative that makes sense. He is ranking minority member on the Finance and Banking Committee. (that may not be the actual official name - I can't recall) He is against this original bailout plan.

Some people ask - who can I trust in Washington ? I trust Paul Ryan. He is a good man, a good representative, a strong conservative family man and a Christian. He even has called me at home when I have had questions or concerns. He was wonderful to me when Little Winger was deployed the first time.

I trust him and if he comes out with a plan I would take a good look at it.

Take a deep breath and have a good day.

240 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:28:25am

FNC has a panel of pundits on right now.
Mark Green of "Air America" said that McCain has no busines coming back to DC because he has missed so many votes during the campaign.
Ed Cox, a McCain state chair, said that the senator is putting country first.
Kirsten Powers, rolled her eyes & said, "Oh please"
Where to begin?

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:30:19am

Not worried. Does anybody have an extra fingernail I can chew?

242 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:32:10am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not worried. Does anybody have an extra fingernail I can chew?

My dog's nails are in need of a trim...will that do?

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:32:46am

re: #242 scottishbuzzsaw

Let me think on that. G'morning!

244 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:32:49am

re: #19 Wyatt Earp

This stuff writes itself, don't it?

The owner’s name is Prince Wong? Hmm, I figured it would be King Wang.

LOL. Here I thought it was gonna be about the Presidential race.

245 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:33:49am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let me think on that. G'morning!

Mornin'...:>)

246 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:34:54am

Cross-posted from an earlier thread:

ACORN is an organized criminal enterprise designed to steal elections through organized fraud. Obama, who is an alumnus of the organization, wants to grow it into a communist "advocacy" group for poor people, supported by taxpayer dollars. In fact, he likely will use ACORN as the foundation for his "community service" mandates for our young people.

Can everyone spell "communist indoctrination" through youth organizations? That's how appalling this proposal is, and the GOP already has set a horrible precedent by agreeing to earlier government payments to ACORN.

247 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:38:07am

re: #240 opnion

FNC has a panel of pundits on right now.
Mark Green of "Air America" said that McCain has no busines coming back to DC because he has missed so many votes during the campaign.
Ed Cox, a McCain state chair, said that the senator is putting country first.
Kirsten Powers, rolled her eyes & said, "Oh please"
Where to begin?

Let me see if I got this right, McCain and Obama campaign and miss votes. FM &FM go belly up, causing a freeze in any kind of credit availability and McCain says he's heading back to get an oar in. Reid says we don't want you here. Obama says that he doesn't see where he can be of any help so he's gong to continue to get ready for the debate but "If you need me, call me." 4 hours later Bush tells Obama "Get your ass back here, you're the titular head of the Democratic Party" They all meet with Bush. McCain defers to Graham since he's been doing all the spadework. Pelosi/Reid pass to Obama who proceeds to turn the meeting into a shouting match. There is some sort of nuance I seem to be missing.

248 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:40:22am

Good interview on FNC with Bill Sammon.
He is saying that the Dems ran to the mics sceaming "We have a deal"
prematurely, only to set up McCain to take the fall.
McCain arrives & volla! No deal.
There never was one ,but now the Dems are saying that the deal that never existed fell apart becuse of McCain.

249 littleoldlady  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:41:44am

re: #247 Panhandler

SOMEBODY forgot to ask the conservative Republicans in the House what they thought.

/think Sleeping Beauty and an uninvited witch.
//there's your nuance...

They could have ignored them, taken a vote and won. HOWEVER, if the whole thing was a bust then Republicans could blame Democrats. They need some kind of consensus.

250 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:42:16am

re: #247 Panhandler

Let me see if I got this right, McCain and Obama campaign and miss votes. FM &FM go belly up, causing a freeze in any kind of credit availability and McCain says he's heading back to get an oar in. Reid says we don't want you here. Obama says that he doesn't see where he can be of any help so he's gong to continue to get ready for the debate but "If you need me, call me." 4 hours later Bush tells Obama "Get your ass back here, you're the titular head of the Democratic Party" They all meet with Bush. McCain defers to Graham since he's been doing all the spadework. Pelosi/Reid pass to Obama who proceeds to turn the meeting into a shouting match. There is some sort of nuance I seem to be missing.

I think that you summed it up quite nicely.

251 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:42:55am

re: #248 opnion

Thanks for bringing that up opnion, I knew I'd left something out of my time line in my screed in #247.

252 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:43:57am

re: #240 opnion

The alphabets, the op eds and the front pages all seem to have received the same talking points - I'm guessing from Soros, since he's got the bandwidth - and are in categorical agreement that McCain is the monkeywrench in the deal, that McCain is being a drama queen, that McCain is afraid to debate, and that 0 the Golden Child is showing real presidential leadership with his venal lust for and single minded obsession with power. Haven't we learned from cop dramas that when all the suspects have the identical story, something's up?

253 yesandno  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:45:20am

A=Actual
C=Communist
O=Organization
R=Right
N=Now

254 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:46:38am
255 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:50:33am

re: #252 Pullus Iulius

Put them in seperate sealed rooms for a couple of days and then start asking questions. Use the old trick of "So and So down the hall said you pulled the trigger, this is your only chance to get your side of the story out and save yourself" The "It wasn't me, they set me up!" stories will make for great ad fodder regardless of what the Dems/MSM try to cook up.

256 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:50:49am
257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:52:59am
258 Thoughtcrime  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:53:20am

Here is another winner for you....

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

259 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:55:32am

ACORN is on Fox again. The fraud.

260 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:56:52am

"Obviously ACORN is working on behalf of Barack Obama."

They just said BHO was their chief attorney.

261 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:57:28am

re: #258 Thoughtcrime

Big time winner there. The general populace will look at this and think " What the heck are they trying to cover up?" The concensus will be that while there might an untruth in the mix, what about the truths?

262 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:58:23am

I think in the next month this is gonna be the dirtiest and most despicable election campaign in history. I just hope our side is up to it and has the people and principals ( or lack there of ) to get down and dirty.

263 stevieray  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:58:47am

Gotta run to work, but one quick thought before I go...

The earmark for ACORN is actually great news. The more people know about them, the less people like them. By all means, put them in the news!

I hope Barack is asked about them, and he decides to get clever and claim "attorney-client" privilege... that would be the best thing EVAH!

264 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:59:29am

Good morning Lizards........

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:01:01am

re: #262 Nevergiveup

Well, in all fairness...the country (literally) was under the bus already when the Democrats started this "win at any cost" campaign, (I mean a bus is on the ground). It's just 330 million people they're tossing under it now that bothers me.

266 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:02:18am

Jeiwsh "Rabbi?" meets with the new Hitler:

Our world views are rather different. But unless we... dialogue face to face, how will we create any kind of understanding?" Gottlieb said, adding that she chose to attend because "peace is better than war."

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

"peace is better than war."---Hum, wonder what the souls of Bergen Belsen think of that? What did peace exactly do for them?

267 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:03:03am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, in all fairness...the country (literally) was under the bus already when the Democrats started this "win at any cost" campaign, (I mean a bus is on the ground). It's just 330 million people they're tossing under it now that bothers me.

Well that's what I mean. Time to take off the gloves.

268 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:04:29am

IAEA chief: Syrian nuke probe figure killed

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Talk about burying the evidence?

269 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:05:58am

I guess this is what happens when you start seeing patients at 6:00 AM and then take a break. All alone this AM it seems. Well more donuts for me.

270 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:08:02am

re: #251 Panhandler

Thanks for bringing that up opnion, I knew I'd left something out of my time line in my screed in #247.


Your welcome my friend.

271 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:08:12am

re: #269 Nevergiveup

I guess this is what happens when you start seeing patients at 6:00 AM and then take a break. All alone this AM it seems. Well more donuts for me.

Put the box of donuts on the table and back slowly away from them....... ;p

272 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:08:39am

re: #264 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards........

Mornin' dorian...

273 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:09:03am

re: #272 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' dorian...

good morning cuttie pie....

274 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:10:55am

re: #252 Pullus Iulius

The alphabets, the op eds and the front pages all seem to have received the same talking points - I'm guessing from Soros, since he's got the bandwidth - and are in categorical agreement that McCain is the monkeywrench in the deal, that McCain is being a drama queen, that McCain is afraid to debate, and that 0 the Golden Child is showing real presidential leadership with his venal lust for and single minded obsession with power. Haven't we learned from cop dramas that when all the suspects have the identical story, something's up?

I think that you nailed it. The MSM is doing everything to supply the predicate to elect the 'One"
Oh & how about theirony of Dodd acting indignated?

275 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:10:58am

re: #273 doriangrey

good morning cuttie pie....

Well, that'll get you a mug of coffee...;>)

276 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:12:08am

re: #269 Nevergiveup

I guess this is what happens when you start seeing patients at 6:00 AM and then take a break. All alone this AM it seems. Well more donuts for me.


All part of the price you pay to ensure urine samples aren't polluted by coffe/orange juice/ biscuits and garvy and DONUTS. You deserve a cruller, you earned it, now enjoy it, you patients are enjoying theirs.

277 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:12:26am

Can someone in the United States tell me when Daylight Savings comes to an end there?

What do you call an Aussie Lizard?

278 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:14:07am

re: #276 Panhandler

Garvy? As in Steve? Now I need a doughnut.

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:14:12am

re: #277 Crux Australis

1. I have no idea until I see a reminder somewhere.

2. A friend.

280 yesandno  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:14:46am
281 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:15:05am

re: #277 Crux Australis

Lizard - Mate

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:15:45am

re: #277 Crux Australis

Can someone in the United States tell me when Daylight Savings comes to an end there?

What do you call an Aussie Lizard?

November 2nd friend.

283 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:17:06am

re: #274 opnion

To be indignant, one must first have dignity. Thus, Dodd is excluded.

284 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:17:18am

re: #277 Crux Australis

Can someone in the United States tell me when Daylight Savings comes to an end there?

What do you call an Aussie Lizard?

A Lizard, All be it an upside down Lizard, but a Lizard none the less... ;)

285 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:19:00am

About time for the AM shift to clock in, if they didn't miss their wake up call.

286 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:19:08am

If I was to ask Americans which country in the world was most like the US. Would it be Australia? Canada? someone else?

287 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:19:50am

re: #286 Crux Australis

If I was to ask Americans which country in the world was most like the US. Would it be Australia? Canada? someone else?

New Jersey?

288 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:20:16am

Did someone mention donuts?

(opens box of Krispy Kremes) Help yourself.

Dorian, want some coffee?

289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:21:41am
290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:23:38am

re: #288 scottishbuzzsaw

I love donuts. Boston Cremes (Krispy Kremes), Cruellers (Dunkin' Donuts).

291 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:23:52am

re: #288 scottishbuzzsaw

Did someone mention donuts?

(opens box of Krispy Kremes) Help yourself.

Dorian, want some coffee?

Me? coffee? But of course..... /kisses scottishbuzzsaw hand.....

292 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:25:09am

morning lizards, this is becomming a "good" habit and I do have a Krispy Kreeme next to my coffe. Little Baileys in the coffe to lighten the darkness. yummmmm

293 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:25:28am

lost an "e" there huh?

294 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:26:12am

re: #292 ratso

morning lizards, this is becomming a "good" habit and I do have a Krispy Kreeme next to my coffe. Little Baileys in the coffe to lighten the darkness. yummmmm

Thou shalt share thy Baileys or be smitten with a plague of angry Lizards......... ;p

295 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:26:27am

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Haveing visited extensively in both, I'd glady say Australia, except for the gun laws and that doofus driving on the left rule.

296 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:27:19am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love donuts. Boston Cremes (Krispy Kremes), Cruellers (Dunkin' Donuts).

I'm a native of NH...my SIL is in MA...transplanted to MO during the Patriots/Rams battle...made a bet with SIL that the Rams would win...the prize, a dozen DDs from her, or a dozen KKs from me...I lost and had to overnight the donuts...cost about 10 times more than the donuts themselves...last bet I ever made.

297 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:27:41am

re: #294 doriangrey

Thou shalt share thy Baileys or be smitten with a plague of angry Lizards......... ;p

You tell em dorian - That way my Drambue is safe.

298 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:28:00am

re: #295 Panhandler

Haveing visited extensively in both, I'd glady say Australia, except for the gun laws and that doofus driving on the left rule.

What? Australia has a rule requiring doofus to drive on the left? Well at least you can spot the doofus coming that way.... ;P

299 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:28:19am

...

300 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:28:54am

I would vote Australia here.

301 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:29:53am

Dang, I am up early. O-dark thirty...

302 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:30:01am

Good Morning folks.

Prepare for the market to implode today.

I can't believe I am watching this happen before my eyes.

Yesterday we had a bail out deal that seemed to be all but done and the market was rebounding nicely on the basis of that.

Then comes the afternoon meeting at the White House and a train wreck.

This idea by the House Republicans of offering insurance for the mortgages will not work. It is way too late for that. It's like giving a band aid to someone having a heart attack. These banks need these loans off their books now, today. Not insurance, not incentives. There is no time for that to work.

The credit markets are frozen right now, today, and businesses can not get short term financing for their business needs like financing their accounts receivable and inventories. We are damaging our economy billions of dollars a day with this frozen credit.

I look for the DOW to drop below 10,000

I anticipate more banks, and I mean a lot more to go belly up cause of this screwing around in Congress.

If you have a 401K, you just lost another 20% of your savings at least.

I can not find the words to communicate how stunned I am to see this happen.

303 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:30:46am

re: #297 Panhandler

You tell em dorian - That way my Drambue is safe.

People who panhandle can afford Drambue? I guess that government 700 billion dollar bailout must have passed while we were all asleep.... ;P

304 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:31:30am

re: #294 doriangrey

Thou shalt share thy Baileys or be smitten with a plague of angry Lizards......... ;p

Would you pass it along when you're done, darlin'?

305 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:31:32am

re: #301 rawmuse

Dang, I am up early. O-dark thirty...

Hey............No Obama jokes this early in the morning..... ;P Moring rawmuse.... ;)

306 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:31:54am

re: #304 scottishbuzzsaw

Would you pass it along when you're done, darlin'?

Here you go.....

307 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:09am

re: #302 3 wood

Yeah, I saw a couple of bankers checking in to a high rise hotel. The clerk asked them "sleeping or jumping?".

308 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:21am

Hi 3, looks bad huh? I moved a bunch of stuff from C to GVT yesterday, think it was a good idea.

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:36am

re: #301 rawmuse

Raw! From where is your nic quote? Freaking love it!

310 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:48am

re: #298 doriangrey

When I'm doing a motordycle tour of any of the British Empire enverons, I put a piece of yellow tape on my right glove. As long as the glove and the yellow line coincide I feel fairly safe. Big panic is traffic pulling out from the right, they're no longer the problem, now it's the left.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:34:16am

Mornin' Wood. Got an extra fingernail? I'm going to have to move to my toes. But they are really hard to get into my mouth!

312 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:34:33am

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I stole it from Mark Steyn. How are you this morning? Getting some badly needed rain on the East Coast, I hear.

313 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:35:09am

re: #302 3 wood
My thought in this is that the house gop guys are just pushing against the democratic side to make them push the bailout throught, against 55% of the american population. They have the votes to do it but when they do they will get blackeyes.

314 NC State of Mind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:35:23am

re: #302 3 wood

re: #248 opnion

I share your concern. I just noticed it's about one hour until the bell. #248 above had an interesting perspective from Bill Sammon


Good interview on FNC with Bill Sammon.
He is saying that the Dems ran to the mics sceaming "We have a deal"
prematurely, only to set up McCain to take the fall.
McCain arrives & volla! No deal.
There never was one ,but now the Dems are saying that the deal that never existed fell apart becuse of McCain.

It's no wonder we can't ever have good decisions made in Washington when >50% of brainpower is spent trying to develop a plan that is politically expedient with no regard to solving actual problems.

315 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:35:43am

re: #302 3 wood

Good Morning folks.

Prepare for the market to implode today.

I can't believe I am watching this happen before my eyes.

Yesterday we had a bail out deal that seemed to be all but done and the market was rebounding nicely on the basis of that.

Then comes the afternoon meeting at the White House and a train wreck.

This idea by the House Republicans of offering insurance for the mortgages will not work. It is way too late for that. It's like giving a band aid to someone having a heart attack. These banks need these loans off their books now, today. Not insurance, not incentives. There is no time for that to work.

The credit markets are frozen right now, today, and businesses can not get short term financing for their business needs like financing their accounts receivable and inventories. We are damaging our economy billions of dollars a day with this frozen credit.

I look for the DOW to drop below 10,000

I anticipate more banks, and I mean a lot more to go belly up cause of this screwing around in Congress.

If you have a 401K, you just lost another 20% of your savings at least.

I can not find the words to communicate how stunned I am to see this happen.

It occurred to me yesterday why this is happening. The democrats/traitors have found a way to prevent any future military action by either Bush or McCain as well as finally guarantee a loss in Iraq. They bankrupt the United States which results in a 50 to 70 percent defunding of the US military and blame it all on the Republicans.

316 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:36:03am

re: #302 3 wood

I think I have a firm grip on foreign policy, but I do plead ignorance on money matters. Your perspective on this stuff has always been sound in the past so I tend to listen to your analysis. It was a big disappointment to me also, and I am unsure also how McCain fits into all this. After I am done with work today, I think I will go home to drink-alot!

317 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:36:23am

ok Baileys for everyone, all my favorite people

318 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:37:14am

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Wood. Got an extra fingernail? I'm going to have to move to my toes. But they are really hard to get into my mouth!

Funny, I could have sworn I saw both of them there just yesterday.... ;P

319 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:37:48am

re: #310 Panhandler

yes, in London I almost wiped out making a right turn after stop, yikes

320 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:38:13am

Australia gets it's driving on the left from Britain. Australia's gun laws go back to colonial times when most of the population were convicts. Also since there were a few massacres in Australia involving guns in the '80s and '90s people have been 'gun-shy'.

321 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:27am

re: #317 ratso

ok Baileys for everyone, all my favorite people

Yeah, right

322 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:35am

Has Wall St. opened yet?

323 Lively  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:35am

I think we should be cautious about reaching a "deal" in one or two days. When you're spending $700 billion dollars, it's important to think things all the way through. We should be sending signals to the world/Americans that we will do something to clean this mess up, but we still need to think the whole thing through.

324 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:46am

re: #302 3 wood

A hard rain's gonna fall.

325 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:58am

re: #322 rawmuse

Has Wall St. opened yet?

no in 45 minutes

326 Lively  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:14am

re: #322 rawmuse

Has Wall St. opened yet?

9:00 eastern.

327 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:21am

So, we're going to get a sell off? Say it issn't so!

They should have just accepted the clean Paulson plan, at least he knows what he's doing.

/WHERE IS THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN PLAN, WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] IS IT?

328 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:37am

re: #320 Crux Australis

Australia gets it's driving on the left from Britain. Australia's gun laws go back to colonial times when most of the population were convicts. Also since there were a few massacres in Australia involving guns in the '80s and '90s people have been 'gun-shy'.

Cough cough.... Ya know, I'm a big Rock star in Australia

329 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:44am

re: #321 Panhandler
HEY! ya think Rizzo doesn't share his booze?

330 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:48am

Good morning, all!

For Dorian and any other lizard needing it:

Coffee and the morning paper.

331 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:09am

re: #320 Crux Australis

Australia gets it's driving on the left from Britain. Australia's gun laws go back to colonial times when most of the population were convicts. Also since there were a few massacres in Australia involving guns in the '80s and '90s people have been 'gun-shy'.

My Scottish ancestors were outlawed to Australia in the 1800s when they refused to end a feud with another clan. Finally welcomed back home a few decades ago. On their behalf, thanks for the Aussie welcome!

332 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:09am

re: #322 rawmuse

Has Wall St. opened yet?

/50 minutes and it's going to be bad

333 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:54am

re: #332 Killian Bundy

/50 minutes and it's going to be bad

You mean my WAMU shares might tank?
/

334 Lively  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:58am

BBL

335 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:42:07am

re: #321 Panhandler

Yeah, right

Yup, he's trying to get us all drunk so he can take advantage of the Lady Lizards.... ;O

336 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:42:29am

According to NRO, This was the last press release before Washington Mutual collapsed.

Company ranks in top ten of Hispanic Business’ Diversity Elite and earns perfect score on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index
SEATTLE, WA (September 24, 2008) – Washington Mutual, Inc. (NYSE:WM), one of the nation’s leading banks for consumers and small businesses, has once again been recognized as a top employer by Hispanic Business magazine and the Human Rights Campaign.

Hispanic Business magazine recently ranked WaMu sixth in its annual Diversity Elite list, which names the top 60 companies for Hispanics. The company was honored specifically for its efforts to recruit Hispanic employees, reach out to Hispanic consumers and support Hispanic communities and organizations.

The Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) civil rights organization, also awarded WaMu its second consecutive 100 percent score in the organization’s 2009 Corporate Equality Index (CEI), which measures progress in attaining equal rights for GLBT employees and consumers. WaMu joins the ranks of 259 other major U.S. businesses that also received top marks in the annual survey. The CEI rated a total of 583 businesses on GLBT-related policies and practices, including non-discrimination policies and domestic partner benefits.

In both surveys, WaMu earned points for competitive diversity policies and programs, including the recently established Latino, African American and GLBT employee network groups, all of which have a corporate executive sponsor and champion.

“Diversity is an integral part of cultivating a welcoming, innovative and dynamic workplace here at WaMu. We are proud to be recognized for the opportunities and benefits we offer to all of our employees, including the specific efforts we have made to engage Hispanics and the GLBT community,” said Steve Rotella, WaMu president and COO. “We are committed to diversity at WaMu and pledge to listen to our customers and work closely with our employees to continue to make progress.”

These two recent honors build upon diversity recognitions WaMu received earlier in 2008. WaMu was named one of 25 Noteworthy Companies by Diversity Inc magazine and one of the Top 50 Corporations for Supplier Diversity by Hispanic Enterprise magazine.

337 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:42:32am

re: #331 scottishbuzzsaw

My Scottish ancestors were outlawed to Australia in the 1800s when they refused to end a feud with another clan. Finally welcomed back home a few decades ago. On their behalf, thanks for the Aussie welcome!

We are probably cousins, mine is the Lawerence clan

338 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:43:16am

re: #330 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!

For Dorian and any other lizard needing it:

Coffee and the morning paper.

How dare you threaten me with a morning paper.... Thx for the coffee though.... ;)

339 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:43:23am

Gird your loins, this is how the world ends.

340 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:43:44am

re: #336 Peacekeeper

All this at the peril of the fundamentals, perhaps.

341 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:09am

re: #302 3 wood

I look for the DOW to drop below 10,000

That's a gimme.

/and that's just for today

342 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:29am

Mother, son going to war together
Morrisville outfit faces tour in Iraq

[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

Poor kid. I guess he is gonna have to be on his best behavior?

343 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:49am

re: #337 ratso

We are probably cousins, mine is the Lawerence clan

Well, as long as your not a Murray (spit) we'll get along just fine, cuz!

344 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:55am

re: #328 doriangrey

Cough cough.... Ya know, I'm a big Rock star in Australia

What I've never figured out dorian is why you keep tooting your own horn when you play a guitar.

345 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:46:34am

re: #342 Nevergiveup

Mother, son going to war together
Morrisville outfit faces tour in Iraq

[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

Poor kid. I guess he is gonna have to be on his best behavior?

When Bill went on safari, he always took his gun....
In case of accident he always took his Mum...
And all the children sang...
Hey Buffalo Bill, what did ya kill, Buffalo Bill....
Hey Buffalo Bill, what did ya kill, Buffalo Bill....

346 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:46:39am

re: #344 Panhandler

What I've never figured out dorian is why you keep tooting your own horn when you play a guitar.

OOPS! Forgot the /////!

347 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:47:44am

I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency.

Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?

348 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:47:53am

re: #343 scottishbuzzsaw

ok cuz, I'll put em on my black list

349 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:48:01am

re: #344 Panhandler

What I've never figured out dorian is why you keep tooting your own horn when you play a guitar.

:) California traffic laws.... Man with a fastest Car and the loudest Horn has the right of way..... :)

350 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:48:02am
Washington Mutual, Inc. (NYSE:WM), one of the nation’s leading banks for consumers and small businesses, has once again been recognized as a top employer by Hispanic Business magazine and the Human Rights Campaign.

No hablemos dinero !

351 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:03am

apostrophe ?

352 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:09am

re: #347 Crux Australis

I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency.

Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?

There is no law in the United States that dictates conscious thought is a requirement to vote. Unfortunately?

353 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:10am

re: #333 Nevergiveup

You mean my WAMU shares might tank?
/

Do you own other banks?

/hang on for the ride, it's too late to bail

354 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:48am

re: #350 Peacekeeper

no wonder huh?

355 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:59am

re: #353 Killian Bundy

Do you own other banks?

/hang on for the ride, it's too late to bail

Actually the Banks own me!

356 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:02am

Good morning (I hope)... now here's an interesting rumor...

According to Gingrich and Dick Morris on Hannity and Colmes, McCain has killed the Paulsen bailout and will present his own version, which will require the government to lend, not give the money, and regulations will be reformed and taxes will be loosened to help them pay us back.

Both Gingrich and Morris were giddy. They both said McCain has shown that he will stand up to anyone--including the president--to fight for the country, and he's changed the argument: Now, the Dems support giving a trillion dollars to the Wall Street "fat cats," as they called them over and over, but McCain has refused, in the name of the taxpayer.

Both Gingrich and Morris said that McCain had utterly and totally pwned the Dems, who will be forced to support McCain's plan.

McCain will then go to the public and explain that Obama supported the bailout, but McCain crafted an alternative, despite immense pressure from the president and the Department of the Treasury.

As a bonus, McCain stood up for the conservative wing of the party, not the moderates, as everyone expected him to do. Both Gingrich and Morris said McCain has totally won the argument.

Let's hope it all pans out this way.

Morris said that he's never seen anything like this: McCain, the man of principle, united with the most effective campaigners in the history of American politics.

He was as excited and happy as I've ever seen him.

Is this real or is somebody blowing smoke?

357 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:17am

re: #353 Killian Bundy

Do you own other banks?

/hang on for the ride, it's too late to bail

Never dismount your ride in mid Apocalypse...... :P

358 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:48am
WaMu joins the ranks of 259 other major U.S. businesses that also received top marks in the annual survey. The CEI rated a total of 583 businesses on GLBT-related policies and practices, including non-discrimination policies and domestic partner benefits.

And my names is Bobby Brown, watch me now I'm goin' down...

359 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:48am

re: #314 NC State of Mind

re: #248 opnion

I share your concern. I just noticed it's about one hour until the bell. #248 above had an interesting perspective from Bill Sammon

It's no wonder we can't ever have good decisions made in Washington when >50% of brainpower is spent trying to develop a plan that is politically expedient with no regard to solving actual problems.

To me, it seems like the Dem Party looks at any crisis as a political opening. They engage in wholesale Sophistry, blaming the other guys for their foul ups

360 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:00am

Reminder:
Anyone wanting to donate a recipe to the collection of LGF reader recipes that I'm putting together, read about it here!

It would be nice if we were able to get this done by the end of October, in time for Christmas stocking-stuffer time. If you're interested, please consider sending in a couple or three recipes. THANKS.

Oh - a reader told me she is interested in "salmon on a board". If anyone has something describing this process, please submit it!
Again, many thanks.

361 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:06am

When Black Friday comes
I'll stand down by the door
And catch the grey men when they
Dive from the fourteenth floor
When Black Friday comes
I'll collect everything I'm owed
And before my friends find out
I'll be on the road
When Black Friday falls you know it's got to be
Don't let it fall on me
When Black Friday comes
I'll fly down to Muswellbrook
Gonna strike all the big red words
From my little black book
Gonna do just what I please
Gonna wear no socks and shoes
With nothing to do but feed
All the kangaroos
When Black Friday comes I'll be on that hill
You know I will

When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna dig myself a hole
Gonna lay down in it 'til
I satisfy my soul
Gonna let the world pass by me
The Archbishop's gonna sanctify me
And if he don't come across
I'm gonna let it roll
When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna stake my claim
I'll guess I'll change my name

362 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:11am

re: #349 doriangrey

:) California traffic laws.... Man with a fastest Car and the loudest Horn has the right of way..... :)

Man, trade that Vette in on a Ferrari, get an ascot and you be testifyin

363 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:39am

re: #356 Kenneth

Good morning (I hope)... now here's an interesting rumor...


Is this real or is somebody blowing smoke?

Please let it be real...

364 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:52:24am

re: #347 Crux Australis

I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency.

Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?

A large amout of Americans think that they have a better chance to seperate you from your money with Obama.

365 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:52:45am

re: #357 doriangrey

Never dismount your ride in mid Apocalypse...... :P

Always good advice...;>)

366 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:52:50am

Is there a reason why I can't get to LGF using Internet Explorer? It bombs out. Can only use Firefox.

367 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:04am

re: #341 Killian Bundy

Dow will drop below 10,000

/and that's just for today

AIG friend of mine has already lost 450,000 dollars,
40 years of putting her secretary pay into savings.

I worked for AIG for 28 years.

We don't really give a shit where the market goes.

368 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:32am

re: #362 Panhandler

Man, trade that Vette in on a Ferrari, get an ascot and you be testifyin

Funny you should say that, there's a Ferrari dealership across the street from our main facility...... ;)

369 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:48am

re: #366 rightymouse

Is there a reason why I can't get to LGF using Internet Explorer? It bombs out. Can only use Firefox.

IE is working fine for me...

370 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:52am

re: #314 NC State of Mind

They had a deal. They just needed a little bit of leadership from people like McCain ans some House Republicans to get it through.

No deal will be perfect, but saving a large part of the financial system beats destroying it.

McCain is going to own this.

This is going to be ugly, and I mean very ugly.

371 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:54:01am

re: #367 ibmkeyboard

AIG friend of mine has already lost 450,000 dollars,
40 years of putting her secretary pay into savings.

I worked for AIG for 28 years.

We don't really give a shit where the market goes.

The old misery likes company argument. Works for me.

372 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:54:03am

re: #356 Kenneth

Real, he laid it out on H&C last night and then Gingrich schooled Colmes on the make up of the US Congress. All in all, a most enjoyable hour.

373 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:54:54am

re: #25 Karridine

Linkie no workie.

374 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:55:16am

re: #369 scottishbuzzsaw

IE is working fine for me...

IE says it can't open the website and gives an operation aborted message.

375 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:55:33am

I think McCain's ploy is also political trickery. The left can pass what ever they want and they want the republicans to be on board so that they are all hated by the populace.

376 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:55:53am

re: #370 3 wood

This is going to be ugly, and I mean very ugly.

No, it is not going to be that pretty..... Today is going to be Black Friday in spades.....

377 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:04am

It seems that the Aussie Media are just as biased as the MSM in the US.

I'm glad I've got LGF and HotAir and others to keep me informed.

378 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:21am

re: #315 doriangrey

T

he democrats/traitors have found a way to prevent any future military action by either Bush or McCain as well as finally guarantee a loss in Iraq. They bankrupt the United States which results in a 50 to 70 percent defunding of the US military and blame it all on the Republicans.

I respectfully don't think so.

I think we have bonfire of the vanities going on in Washington, and the country's economy is caught in the middle.

379 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:28am

USA Today has a real fair front page article by two staffers.
Writing about yesterday, "But the good feelings seemed to evaporate about the time a new player entered the fray: Arizona Senator John McCain......"

380 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:32am

re: #367 ibmkeyboard
I am sorry, and angry to hear that. I don't have an answer- a lot of people saved their money and in the end the fucking crooks found a way to steal all the same.

381 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:57:15am

In northern CA it was not uncommon for a lender to give a home buyer a 100 percent loan, then the borrower would occupy the home, a year later they take out a 2nd mortgage, in cash, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. At that point the homeowner took off with the money.

To Mexico.

382 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:57:28am

re: #370 3 wood

Own as in McCain screwed the pooch "owned", or own as in McCain/Graham spanked the Dems "owned"?

383 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:57:44am

re: #379 opnion

USA Today has a real fair front page article by two staffers.
Writing about yesterday, "But the good feelings seemed to evaporate about the time a new player entered the fray: Arizona Senator John McCain......"

Good, there should never have been any good feelings about what they were trying to do.

384 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:58:26am

re: #371 Nevergiveup

The old misery likes company argument. Works for me.

Anybody want to buy a keyboard?

385 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:06am

re: #316 Nevergiveup

It was a big disappointment to me also, and I am unsure also how McCain fits into all this. After I am done with work today, I think I will go home to drink-alot!

McCain came in to look like the maverick and come up with a "different solution at the last second, and screwed this up.

I'm not a politician, I'm an economist.

This is no time for politics, we are on the edge of economic melt down here with the credit markets. That does not just impact fat cats on Wall Street, it effects everyone on Main Street.

386 doriangrey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:10am

Well time to run off to work, somebody has to pay for the democrat/socialists/communist criminal spending....

387 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:20am

I don't even have the energy to fire up my trading software and start short selling.

/it would be unpatriotic and unsavory, I'll make money later, it's always there

388 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:21am

re: #330 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!

Good morning, reine! How are you today?

389 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:25am

Wall Street opening in 3 minutes. I have no doubt this is Black Friday.

If the word was there was no deal yet but they were working on it and progress was being made, I wouldn't be too concerned. But the confused news that is coming out is going to create a panic. Both sides are blaming the other. It's scary as hell.

390 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:40am

re: #380 Peacekeeper

I am sorry, and angry to hear that. I don't have an answer- a lot of people saved their money and in the end the fucking crooks found a way to steal all the same.

If I could get my hands around Barney Franks neck,

Ahhhh- the pleasure.

391 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:41am

re: #378 3 woodI think that the Giant McCain ego road in and in perfect McCain fashion it will be done his way or not at all.

392 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:44am

re: #386 doriangrey
seeya dorian

393 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:47am

re: #386 doriangrey

Well time to run off to work, somebody has to pay for the democrat/socialists/communist criminal spending....

Have a good one, dorian...

394 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:00:33am

re: #382 Panhandler

Own as in McCain screwed the pooch "owned", or own as in McCain/Graham spanked the Dems "owned"?

"Owned as in screwed the pooch,"owned" as in stepped on his crank with track shoes, "owned" as in caused a train wreck.

395 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:00:59am

re: #383 doriangrey

Good, there should never have been any good feelings about what they were trying to do.


Right, but the logic can give you a head ache. On the one hand McCain gets crticised for saying very little. On the other hand he gets blamed for trashing the deal.

396 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:02:15am

re: #376 doriangrey

No, it is not going to be that pretty..... Today is going to be Black Friday in spades.....

Why does this shit always happen on Friday?

397 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:02:37am

re: #396 ibmkeyboard

Why does this shit always happen on Friday?

So it can ruin my weekend.

398 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:02:41am

re: #360 reine.de.tout

reine....will you put me on the list for the LGF cookbook?

399 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:03:17am

re: #396 ibmkeyboard

Why does this shit always happen on Friday?

Otherwise it's a slow news day.

400 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:03:49am

Well, history will be made today. Hang on for the ride.

401 lori lane  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:04:51am

re: #347 Crux Australis

I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency. Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?

All the stupid ones do.

402 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:04:53am

re: #397 Nevergiveup

So it can ruin my weekend.

a little humor. ha.

some people will get arrested for public drunkenness.

stay off of tall buildings.

403 Spider Mensch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:05:06am

the problem I see, or lack of thought process, in the obama supporters (my brother for instance) is the following "he's got to be better that what we have" now this financial crisis plays right into the hand of this thought. "republican president? all his fault! republican= all thats bad" they conviently forget the dem controlled congress and other influences.when you ask the ones with this thought process, but maybe it could be worse under obam? answer..."how can it get worse!" well it can, and obama will show the way. now taking my brother, makes a 6 digit salary,and he thinks obama is going to treat him better?..lol..I'm working on him though, he is a vietnam era Marine, so at least I got him to admit that he has great respect for McCain. My current mind meld on him now is I tell him under obama his beloved Marine Corps will be a shell of its former self. trying to flank him on that angle..lol

404 Irish Rose  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:05:25am

Good morning, lizards.

An interesting day on tap, I think.

405 UFO TOFU  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:05:32am

Crap, 3 wood, it's Friday. Tell us something good.

/ I'm not even checking into the WaMu thread downstairs.

406 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:06:32am

re: #388 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, reine! How are you today?

Good morning! I hope this day finds you well.
We have some cooler, drier weather here, it's been marvelous!

I'm doing fine, trying to drum up interest and recipe donations for the reader's cookbook

Marketing not my strength.

407 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:06:33am

re: #372 Panhandler

Let's pray it passes. Then we cana all laugh as Obama jumps up and down and squeals "Me too, me too... it was my idea, McCain stole my idea!"

408 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:06:50am

re: #394 3 wood

"Owned as in screwed the pooch,"owned" as in stepped on his crank with track shoes, "owned" as in caused a train wreck.

It may be he sees himself as swooping in at the last moment to turn things around, like Superman.

409 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:07:26am

re: #394 3 wood

"Owned as in screwed the pooch,"owned" as in stepped on his crank with track shoes, "owned" as in caused a train wreck.

I am not a huge McCain fan, but I can't see how he srewed up the deal.
Rank & File Republicans were not going to accept the deal that the leadership struck, in a seperate room, with or without McCain.
Just one example, the Republicans were not going to stand for a lot of cash going to ACORN.

410 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:07:28am

re: #366 rightymouse

Could not get on at all earlier. Kept timing out. So spent an hour visiting other sites.

All this DC *rap has put me back in my 1973 attitude towards congress.

411 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:08:26am

re: #402 ibmkeyboard

a little humor. ha.

some people will get arrested for public drunkenness.

stay off of tall buildings.

stay out from underneath tall buildings :(

412 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:08:37am

re: #379 opnion

"McCain spoiled it" is the DNC party line this morning. Which is why it's showing up word-for-word in all the MSM op-ed pieces this morning.

413 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:09:26am

re: #404 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards.

An interesting day on tap, I think.


You got that right.

414 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:09:41am

I don't know what to believe anymore, and that's what's terrifying. On one hand I hear McCain did very little, on the other I hear that he's offering alternative plans and playing politics. On one hand I hear the Democrats are to blame, on the other I hear that Republicans are. On one hand I hear there was a deal all ready to go, on the other hand I hear there never was any deal. The rumors are flying fast and furious and this very fact in itself is going to shatter investor confidence.

Black Friday.

415 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:10:20am

re: #406 reine.de.tout

Good morning! I hope this day finds you well.
We have some cooler, drier weather here, it's been marvelous!

I'm doing fine, trying to drum up interest and recipe donations for the reader's cookbook

Marketing not my strength.

It's been cooler and drier here too...delightful!

And you're doing just fine with the marketing! I think many are just a wee tad distracted with the financial news...I'm hanging on to Kenneth's #356 myself...

416 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:10:41am

Short the Dow ETF.

/if you want to add to the problem

417 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:10:51am

Well good morning all y'all - from a chilly (62 degrees which is our projected high for today) and very rainy
Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

418 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:00am

re: #412 Kenneth

"McCain spoiled it" is the DNC party line this morning. Which is why it's showing up word-for-word in all the MSM op-ed pieces this morning.

Thats it. "Why did he come if he didn't want to say anything?"
Then, "McCain screwed the deal"
His silence must have been crazy passive aggresive & they all got scared?

419 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:10am

re: #405 UFO TOFU

The Port Authority is promising to have the 9/11 memorial open by the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

420 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:31am

re: #370 3 wood

They had a deal. They just needed a little bit of leadership from people like McCain ans some House Republicans to get it through.

No deal will be perfect, but saving a large part of the financial system beats destroying it.

McCain is going to own this.

This is going to be ugly, and I mean very ugly.

Unless, the rumour turns out to be true that McCain has put together an alternative deal that puts the cost of the bailout on Wall Street, not on the taxpayer. If that works, McCain is the hero. Not that the media will mention it.

421 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:50am

re: #408 Peacekeeper

It may be he sees himself as swooping in at the last moment to turn things around, like Superman.

/where are the superpowers?

422 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:55am

re: #410 FamHistoryGuy

Could not get on at all earlier. Kept timing out. So spent an hour visiting other sites.

All this DC *rap has put me back in my 1973 attitude towards congress.

I was having net problems anyway and thought that was it - but I pretty much solved those issues and it's flying this morning. No problems with other sites using IE. Had to use Firefox to get here. Am still at home right now and not sure if my office will let me use Firefox if IE still has issues.

The DC stuff is very scary and it's like putting the foxes in charge of the hen house.

423 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:12:08am

You're about to see what happens when you put your faith in the Princes of the Earth...

424 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:12:13am

re: #409 opnion

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but what/who are the sources that say big bucks were going to ACORN?

425 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:12:27am

re: #417 realwest

Well good morning all y'all - from a chilly (62 degrees which is our projected high for today) and very rainy
Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Mornin' Studmuffin...doing pretty well here...how's about yourself?

426 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:00am

re: #415 scottishbuzzsaw

mornin, scottish :O)

427 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:06am

re: #421 Killian Bundy

/where are the superpowers?

Jump off the roof first, organize a vote on the way down. More dramatic that way....

428 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:20am

re: #417 realwest
Hiya RW, good to seeya

429 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:29am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Video: Visiting pastor prays over Palin for protection from witchcraft

I'm still on dial up so I can't watch.

Naomh Pádraig, aka Saint Patrick, Bishop of Armagh and Enlightener of Ireland (the green beer guy) prayed for protection from witches.

430 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:29am

re: #420 Kenneth

Unless, the rumour turns out to be true that McCain has put together an alternative deal that puts the cost of the bailout on Wall Street, not on the taxpayer. If that works, McCain is the hero. Not that the media will mention it.

/WHERE THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] IS IT?

431 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:49am

re: #424 kawfytawk

Graham mentioned it last night.

432 NC State of Mind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:59am

re: #419 lawhawk

The Port Authority is promising to have the 9/11 memorial open by the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

According to the Democrats, if it's going to take ten years to get something done, it's not worth doing. Right?

No drilling, no memorial. Idiots.

433 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:14:13am

re: #426 kawfytawk

mornin, scottish :O)

Mornin', Kawfy! You missed ratso passing around the Bailey's to spike the morning coffee...maybe there's some left?

434 UFO TOFU  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:14:26am

re: #419 lawhawk
Thanks, I appreciate that. And I love that picture of the Joshua tree.

435 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:14:58am

re: #424 kawfytawk

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but what/who are the sources that say big bucks were going to ACORN?

There was a link on the thread last night & to be honest I do not remember who. It was said to be earmarked for ACORN's housing initiative.

436 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:18am

re: #418 opnion

Just because McCain won't speak to the media does not mean he is not speaking to anybody else. The media is so full of their self importance, they actually think somebody who does only staged photo-ops and press releases is actually accomplishing things. You know the One I'm referring to.

Do you think anybody in Washington is listening to Barry? He has to ask directions to find the Senate washroom.

437 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:25am

re: #356 Kenneth

Is this real or is somebody blowing smoke?

Morris is full of crap. It won't work.

Like it or not the only way to fix this problem is to get the bad loans off the banks books now.

My God, WaMu went under last night. Brokerage firms have been folding. Insurance companies being bailed out.

What more do they need to see?

438 Neo_  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:31am
KROFT: Why you? I mean, why do you think you would be a good president?

OBAMA: Well, I was going to get to that.

KROFT: Go ahead.

OBAMA: You know, I’m a, I’m a practical person. One of the things I’m good at is getting people in a room with a bunch of different ideas who sometimes violently disagree with each other and finding common ground and a sense of common direction. And that’s the kind of approach that I think prevents you from making some of the enormous mistakes that we’ve seen over the last eight years.

Clearly after yesterday's meeting at the White House which Democrats to a man called a "waste of time," Obama needs a better reason to be President.

Obama was there at yesterday's meeting at the White House, wasn't he ?
.. or does it matter which seat Mr. Obama is sitting in in order to activate the "magic" ?

439 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:53am

re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw
nope

440 lori lane  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:56am

re: #417 realwest

Well good morning all y'all - from a chilly (62 degrees which is our projected high for today) and very rainy
Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Good morning, {RW}! I am a weenie and turned the heat on this morning for awhile. Currently 59 and going up to 80 with SUNSHINE. You're not out there siphoning your neighbors gas tanks are you? ;-)

441 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:07am

re: #434 UFO TOFU

Thanks. Here's a bristlecone pine I posted last nite. Very zen. Very appropriate for the situation which we as a nation face.

442 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:09am

re: #429 David IV of Georgia

Naomh Pádraig, aka Saint Patrick, Bishop of Armagh and Enlightener of Ireland (the green beer guy) prayed for protection from witches.

Hmmm, didn't work for Clinton or Obama.

443 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:24am

re: #430 Killian Bundy

So far it's just a rumor, look for my first post upthread.

444 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:34am

re: #437 3 wood

Morris is full of crap. It won't work.

Like it or not the only way to fix this problem is to get the bad loans off the banks books now.

My God, WaMu went under last night. Brokerage firms have been folding. Insurance companies being bailed out.

What more do they need to see?


The blind can't see.

445 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:38am

We have a plan.

/but you haven't suffered enough to hear it, maybe this weekend

446 lori lane  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:42am

President Bush to speak in about 20 minutes.

447 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:57am

re: #439 ratso

nope

Too bad...

448 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:04am

re: #438 Neo_

Good question. We don't hear his name much when it comes to this crisis. I guess he's hoping that McCain flames out on the bailout mess, so that he can claim that if you vote for him, it will give hope and change the situation for the better.

449 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:05am

re: #436 Kenneth

Just because McCain won't speak to the media does not mean he is not speaking to anybody else. The media is so full of their self importance, they actually think somebody who does only staged photo-ops and press releases is actually accomplishing things. You know the One I'm referring to.

Do you think anybody in Washington is listening to Barry? He has to ask directions to find the Senate washroom.


Oh yeah, and call him if ya need him..

451 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:40am

re: #439 ratso

nope


that was supposed to followed by a "burp"

452 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:09am

re: #446 lori lane

President Bush to speak in about 20 minutes.

It can't be good news.

453 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:23am

re: #451 ratso

that was supposed to followed by a "burp"

Which should be followed with a 'pardon me'...

454 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:45am

re: #436 Kenneth

Just because McCain won't speak to the media does not mean he is not speaking to anybody else. The media is so full of their self importance, they actually think somebody who does only staged photo-ops and press releases is actually accomplishing things. You know the One I'm referring to.

Do you think anybody in Washington is listening to Barry? He has to ask directions to find the Senate washroom.


I am at a loss to understand the screed that "McCain has no business here"
He is an elected Senator from Arizona & a major party presidential candidate. What credential is he missing?

455 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:48am

re: #446 lori lane

President Bush to speak in about 20 minutes.

Brownie you're doing a heckuva job!

456 Irene NYC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:19:02am

HotAir has a report here on the Acorn and LaRaza funding with profits from the buyout.

457 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:19:27am

Good morning, Lizards.

Global warming has produced unusually cool weather for this time of the year...thanks algore...63 degrees in south TX.

458 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:19:29am

re: #437 3 wood

My God, WaMu went under last night.

/technically it was scooped up by Morgan Stanley for the deposit base, but I defer

459 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:08am

re: #417 realwest

Good morning to you, Realwest. Rainy squalls up here. Hope the dentist treated you well. Looks like we're in for an...interesting day. I, for one, am holding on to my hat.

460 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:09am

re: #447 scottishbuzzsaw
but I promise a new bottle tomorrow luv

461 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:25am

re: #415 scottishbuzzsaw

It's been cooler and drier here too...delightful!

And you're doing just fine with the marketing! I think many are just a wee tad distracted with the financial news...I'm hanging on to Kenneth's #356 myself...

Yes, you are correct, a wee tad distracted, indeed! And who can blame them?

I'm of a mind that there isn't much I can do to change the financial news, so I might as well just wait and see how it plays out before I speculate on it and panic.

462 lori lane  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:26am

re: #455 Peacekeeper

Brownie you're doing a heckuva job!

gack.

463 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:33am

re: #435 opnion

There was a link on the thread last night & to be honest I do not remember who. It was said to be earmarked for ACORN's housing initiative.

Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)

464 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #457 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Global warming has produced unusually cool weather for this time of the year...thanks algore...63 degrees in south TX.

Mornin' jorline...heard about your diagnosis yesterday...my thoughts and prayers are with you...

465 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:43am

Whatever it is, it's George Bushs' fault.

/LLL

466 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:54am

re: #225 RTLM

Dutch Government: Fitna cause for Netherlands as "Preferred Target" of Islamic terrorists.

Please don't tell the truth—it upsets the crazy people.

If you were properly defending your country, it wouldn't be much of a worry, would it?

467 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:07am

re: #453 scottishbuzzsaw

Which should be followed with a 'pardon me'...


please do :)

468 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:17am

The Democrats are feckless, and they're going to make the situation far worse by failing to actually govern.

469 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:26am

re: #437 3 wood

Morris is full of crap. It won't work.

My God, WaMu went under last night. Brokerage firms have been folding. Insurance companies being bailed out.

What more do they need to see?

It doesn't matter if you have good credit or bad credit,
NO MONEY.

/

470 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:28am

re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw

hope there is....I may need some!

My daughter called me at 5am, she attends Ole Miss, she was poutin about the debate and I said honey, if congress doesn't get this straightened out your college fund is gonna be gone.

471 lori lane  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:32am

Oh no. Huckabee is going to have a radio show on Fox Radio? Oh good grief. Could that be true?

472 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:39am

re: #446 lori lane

President Bush to speak in about 20 minutes.

That's nice.

/is he going to make it better or worse?

473 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #414 Tigger2005

I don't know what to believe anymore, and that's what's terrifying. On one hand I hear McCain did very little, on the other I hear that he's offering alternative plans and playing politics. On one hand I hear the Democrats are to blame, on the other I hear that Republicans are. On one hand I hear there was a deal all ready to go, on the other hand I hear there never was any deal. The rumors are flying fast and furious and this very fact in itself is going to shatter investor confidence.

Black Friday.

The market tells you everything you need to know on this.

Yesterday, deal in principle, and the market rebounds 200 points.

Train wreck meeting late in the day

To day, market melt down.

474 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:03am

re: #456 Irene NYC

HotAir has a report here on the Acorn and LaRaza funding with profits from the buyout.

Thank you Irene. I knew that I read it last night, but could not place it.

475 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:16am

re: #459 Pullus Iulius

Good morning to you, Realwest. Rainy squalls up here. Hope the dentist treated you well. Looks like we're in for an...interesting day. I, for one, am holding on to my hat.


is that with the hope someone will put coins in it?

476 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:19am

re: #461 reine.de.tout

Yes, you are correct, a wee tad distracted, indeed! And who can blame them?

I'm of a mind that there isn't much I can do to change the financial news, so I might as well just wait and see how it plays out before I speculate on it and panic.

Good morning, reine. I'm sending you three to four recipes this weekend...I'm working on the pictures...lol

477 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:25am

re: #461 reine.de.tout

Yes, you are correct, a wee tad distracted, indeed! And who can blame them?

I'm of a mind that there isn't much I can do to change the financial news, so I might as well just wait and see how it plays out before I speculate on it and panic.

We'll wait together...as calmly as possible...and maybe try to make the lizards laugh to relieve the stress somewhat...always good medicine...

478 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:41am

re: #463 Panhandler

Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)

Thanx

479 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:28am

re: #437 3 wood

I'm no economics, but the bailout plan as presented sure looked bad to me:

House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon, even after the New York Times reported that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi to compromise. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, wasn’t a lack of begging but a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza.

The Dems aren't satisfied for having created the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to use the rescue funds to reward the people who did this?

Something has to be done, but not just anything.

480 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:40am

re: #463 Panhandler

thank you

481 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:53am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

The tension is palpable this morning - let's hope and pray that kenneth is correct.

{rightymouse} Hiya, toots! :D

{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie* :D Doing fine today?

482 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:58am

re: #460 ratso

but I promise a new bottle tomorrow luv

Sounds good, cousin...be here bright and early.

483 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:06am

Strangely enough, my 401k doesn't seem to be affected and almost all my funds have gone up.

484 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:12am

re: #454 opnion

I am at a loss to understand the screed that "McCain has no business here"
He is an elected Senator from Arizona & a major party presidential candidate. What credential is he missing?

McCain is no community organizer.

485 rightymouse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:32am

Morning {TRIXIE}!

486 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:33am

re: #367 ibmkeyboard

AIG friend of mine has already lost 450,000 dollars,
40 years of putting her secretary pay into savings.

I worked for AIG for 28 years.

We don't really give a shit where the market goes.

And that did not have to happen.

If Congress had delay with this a month or two ago when the alarms were first being seriously sounded, there would have been some loss but not that bad

487 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:54am

re: #479 Kenneth

I'm no economics, but the bailout plan as presented sure looked bad to me:

House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon, even after the New York Times reported that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi to compromise. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, wasn’t a lack of begging but a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza.

The Dems aren't satisfied for having created the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to use the rescue funds to reward the people who did this?

Something has to be done, but not just anything.

They always try to sneak in crap.

488 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:09am

re: #479 Kenneth

I should have known Dirty Dodd had his hands in this.

489 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:43am

bbiab

490 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:43am
491 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:47am

re: #484 Kenneth

McCain is no community organizer.

Ah Ha! Thats the part that I was missing.

492 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:58am

The dawn lightens the sky on the east rim of the San Gabriel Mountains of California. (the Towercam). Pacific Time Zone.

Well, the sun will rise and shine upon just as many houses, more or less, as it did yesterday. No actual buildings actually vanished in this financial crisis. Just as many people woke up today as yesterday, with a day in front of them, in which they can be productive.

O the artificiality of it all

I hope 0bama shows up for the debate and McCain does not, and he is obviously known to be working for the people at the time 0bama shows up, obviously looking for his own partisan political power.

Eat a big breakfast and build something useful!


Good morning all.

493 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:26:04am

re: #487 opnion

They always try to sneak in crap.

Like Reid putting in a clause to place oil shale in Nevada off limits. Sneaky bastids.

494 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:26:45am

re: #473 3 wood

The market tells you everything you need to know on this.

Yesterday, deal in principle, and the market rebounds 200 points.

Train wreck meeting late in the day

To day, market melt down.

I can't help but think a lot of Republicans and misinformed or uninformed voters have contributed to this disaster. We have several people on LGF adamantly insisting "no bailout" and "let it melt down." I heard of some Republican Senators talking about how they were getting phone calls demanding NO bailout, not an agreement. One guy on here said he was calling his Senators every day demanding no bailout.

They simply don't understand what this means.

495 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:07am

re: #490 MandyManners

Good morning, Lizards!

Good morning, Mandy...and THANK YOU for that link! {Mandy}

496 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:08am

re: #464 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' jorline...heard about your diagnosis yesterday...my thoughts and prayers are with you...

Thank you scottish. You take the cards dealt to you and put together a good hand. They caught it early and they want to deal with it aggressively to slow down the progression.

CHANGE is inevitable...you adapt.

497 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:19am

re: #490 MandyManners

Good morning, Lizards!


hiya mandy

498 Spider Mensch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:24am

re: #438 Neo_

Clearly after yesterday's meeting at the White House which Democrats to a man called a "waste of time," Obama needs a better reason to be President.

Obama was there at yesterday's meeting at the White House, wasn't he ?
.. or does it matter which seat Mr. Obama is sitting in in order to activate the "magic" ?

yeah, but he did change all the water on the table for the meeting into wine...

499 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:26am

OK...Democrats control Congress, especially the House. How is this McCain's or the House Republicans' fault? Pelosi has all the Democratic votes but also about 45 House Republicans, last I heard. She can get this passed. The reason she isn't is to make McCain look bad and blame the Republicans in general.

I personally like the House Republican plan much better. I'm with McCain on the principles of this; I'm not sure it was such a great political move, but this is McCain. As for Obama? He's the reason the White House meeting was a failure (he ran the Democratic side). It quickly turned contentious. Does this man have any idea about the kind of bipartisanship, negotiation, and compromise that you need to govern the US, even when you control the legislative and executive branches? If he gets elected, I foresee Republicans taking back Congress in 2010.

500 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:31am

re: #493 rawmuse

Like Reid putting in a clause to place oil shale in Nevada off limits. Sneaky bastids.

just so. However he was spot on when he said that we lost the War, that we are now winning going away.

501 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:35am

re: #420 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth - well the version I had was that McCain hadn't read the "final" version of the Dem bailout plan, spoke to a group of Republican leaders in the House, recused himself to go read the bill and came back and said words to the effect of "WTF?! Harry Reid wan't to prohibit Shale Oil recovery and he sneaked it into this bill? Dodd and Biden are going to allow the leaders of institutions that the Taxpayer bails out take the "golden parachutes and fly away?
Hell no I'm not voting for this!".
I tend to believe this because a) I read about Reid's sleazy manouver in two different locations, neither one of which mentioned McCain and b) Chris Dodd and Barney Frank have FAILED MISERABLY at their jobs as head of the Senate and House banking committees, have taken more campaign cash from the same folks who want their golden parachutes protected that they'll pass anything and that the stupid, STUPID credit card, student Loan and auto lenders were also covered in this bill which also would have resulted in ACORN getting something close to $100 million bucks out of it (thank you Obama).
Unlike others, however, while I expect the Dow to drop something around 600 or so today - and to see the flight of foreign capital really start going - I expect that a deal will be worked out by Monday morning - which will have new regulatory requirements in it and which will, unfortunately, wind up dribbling out that $700 billion (or more) as and when requested by the Fed as opposed to simply saying "Ok here's $700 billion buckos - we trust you guys - who really haven't been doing your jobs so well to begin with - to 'bail out' the banks and wall street."
BTW, I HATE the term "bailout" because it is SO inaccurate - a lot of this is going to be Fed guarantees - like we did with Chrysler back in the day and other aspects will give the Taxpayers outright ownership of some companies which will, over the long term, result in the Taxpayers making money.
But despite all the partisan bickering I do think a deal will be in place by Monday morning. And McCain ain't gonna debate Obama tonight and if Obama's smart he'll stay in D.C. to help clean this mess up.

502 lori lane  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:35am

re: #490 MandyManners

Good morning, Lizards!

Love it, but it makes me cwy. Good morning!

503 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:40am

re: #479 Kenneth

Something has to be done, but not just anything.

WELL, WHAT? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.

/Paulson ran Goldman Sachs, Bernanke signed off on it, do you think they're idiots?

504 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:03am

re: #424 kawfytawk

Well, Michelle has it. That good enough?

505 Irene NYC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:15am

Somebody should open a news service that actually reports, the uh, NEWS.

All the reports I'm reading from AP, Reuters, etc. omit the specifics necessary to make a judgment call. Or they outright lie.

Charles Krauthammer is only partially right. Hang some bankers as scapegoats, but have some members of the 5th estate hang with them.

506 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:20am

re: #479 Kenneth

The House Republicans had plenty of time to pull something together before this.

I'm not excusing the games being played by the Dem's either, but we just don;t have time left for this crap.

We have almost no time left to fix this before a financial core melt down happens.

This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.

507 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:55am

exactly, I've been saying this all morning, they just want eveyone to be the villian, not just the demorats :) re: #499 arethusa

508 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:29:08am

re: #494 Tigger2005

Is it entirely possible you don't know what this means?

509 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:29:25am

re: #481 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

The tension is palpable this morning - let's hope and pray that kenneth is correct.

{rightymouse} Hiya, toots! :D

{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie* :D Doing fine today?

Love the way you enter the thread, Trixie.

Good morning to you.

510 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:30:14am

re: #494 Tigger2005

I can't help but think a lot of Republicans and misinformed or uninformed voters have contributed to this disaster. We have several people on LGF adamantly insisting "no bailout" and "let it melt down." I heard of some Republican Senators talking about how they were getting phone calls demanding NO bailout, not an agreement. One guy on here said he was calling his Senators every day demanding no bailout.

They simply don't understand what this means.

I agree.

It means losing your life saving, your pension, your job.

I hope folks who wanted the melt down are happy cause I think that is exactly what we are going to get now.

511 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:30:17am

while Obama took in hundreds of thousands of charitable donations over the last few years from corrupt government agencies Fannie and Freddie, Yahoo news has a negative headline (along with an unflattering photo) pointing out that it is Palin who gives any bad money to charity.

Fuck the AP.

512 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:30:49am

re: #506 3 wood

The House Republicans had plenty of time to pull something together before this.

I'm not excusing the games being played by the Dem's either, but we just don;t have time left for this crap.

We have almost no time left to fix this before a financial core melt down happens.

This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.

I am wondering if Bush can make this a national security issue and just override Congress.

513 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:31:10am

re: #511 FrogMarch

Fuck the AP.

I second that.

Oh and Good Morning Lizard Nation.

514 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:31:15am

re: #460 ratso

but I promise a new bottle tomorrow luv

Oh heck, we're just one big family here, I'll break out the Drambuie tomorrow ratso, you was the man today, rest on your laurels

515 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:31:39am

re: #506 3 wood

How many times does it have to be said that the R's have attempted to clean this up - long before now. What good did that do? They (and I mean the entire lot of 'em) kept putting band-aids on major wounds, 3 wood...

516 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:03am

Bush speaks in five minutes.

Opening bell on Wall Street...Dow down 99 points.

517 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:07am

re: #512 Tigger2005

I am wondering if Bush can make this a national security issue and just override Congress.

That would be fairly outrageous. What has he got to lose? Could cost the GOP the election.

518 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:32am

re: #505 Irene NYC

Hang some bankers as scapegoats, but have some members of the 5th estate hang with them.


Man some heads should roll people should do jail time for this financial crisis.

And be voted out of office.

519 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:41am

re: #508 Cap'n DOC

Is it entirely possible you don't know what this means?

So let's hear from your experts. Is someone going to find ten trillion dollars on the sidewalk?

520 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:01am

re: #501 realwest

Yo Real, sup Dawg?
How do you like this, lets give gobs of money to the same people who created the mess, to clean up the mess.
Oh and lets have culprits like Dodd & Barney Frank help write the bill.
I know that we have to do something, but sheeesh!

521 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:02am

re: #499 arethusa

OK...Democrats control Congress, especially the House. How is this McCain's or the House Republicans' fault? Pelosi has all the Democratic votes but also about 45 House Republicans, last I heard. She can get this passed. The reason she isn't is to make McCain look bad and blame the Republicans in general.

I personally like the House Republican plan much better. I'm with McCain on the principles of this; I'm not sure it was such a great political move, but this is McCain. As for Obama? He's the reason the White House meeting was a failure (he ran the Democratic side). It quickly turned contentious. Does this man have any idea about the kind of bipartisanship, negotiation, and compromise that you need to govern the US, even when you control the legislative and executive branches? If he gets elected, I foresee Republicans taking back Congress in 2010.

but I though he would bring people together. The few republicans left in congress after this election are going to have to battle the most unqualified - the biggest communist this nation has ever faced. Our nation is headed to hell.

522 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:11am

re: #481 {Miss Trixie} Hi ya gorgeous and a big *smoooch* back to you! I'm doing ok physically today - dentist stopped the toothache pain (caused by grinding my teeth - now why would I have been grinding my teeth?! LOL!). Anyway other than that I am extremely unhappy today because of this financial meltdown that DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN!
How are you doing today, sweetie?

523 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:21am

re: #501 realwest

Good to see you this morning, RW. I kept missing you yesterday. How did your doctor visit go? Still in pain?

524 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:54am

re: #492 Ojoe

Where's the grits? There's gotta be cheese grits! I need all the comfort food I can gag down!

525 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:56am

re: #463 Panhandler

Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

526 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:59am

re: #519 Tigger2005

Are you? It's my money, too, and I don't have any 'investments' but for a house that isn't paid for. How about you?

527 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:34:39am

re: #505 Irene NYC

Charles Krauthammer is only partially right. Hang some bankers as scapegoats, but have some members of the 5th estate hang with them.

That's perfect! The unnatural lovechild of the fourth estate and the fifth column is the fifth estate: The clandestine, traitorous press. It's in my dictionary from here out.

528 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:34:45am
Love the way you enter the thread, Trixie.

Good morning to you.

{jorline} And a good morning to you too. :D How are things in the great state of Texas today? Feeling fine today?

529 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:34:58am

The DOW is down 140 already.

For those who want a melt down, enjoy the ride.

530 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:25am

I hope this doesn't become the famous "Black Friday" thread.

531 Irene NYC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:29am

Well, the company where my husband works announced last week that it is closing its doors on September 30. I don't think he'll be the only person out of a job.

If people claim Wall Street is broken, I'd say Washington is broken twice as much.

532 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:40am

Follow the money:

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Name Office Party/State Total
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900

2. Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000

3. Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849

4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550

5. Kanjorski, Paul E H D-PA $65,500

6. Bennett, Robert F S R-UT $61,499

7. Johnson, Tim S D-SD $61,000

8. Conrad, Kent S D-ND $58,991

9. Davis, Tom H R-VA $55,499

10. Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S R-MO $55,400

The Dems are not going to solve this problem. They created it and profited from it. More to the point, in Obama's case, the wealth created by this boondoogle created him & brought him to Washington.

Who can fix this mess?

Somebody with nothing to loose. Somebody who owes nothing to the power brokers in Washington or the editorial offices in New York. Somebody who has been through hell & back before and became a better man for it.

533 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:42am

re: #476 jorline

Good morning, reine. I'm sending you three to four recipes this weekend...I'm working on the pictures...lol

GREAT!

Good morning, Jorline. Coffee upthread a little!

534 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:56am

re: #524 Panhandler

OK here are some grits.

535 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:06am

re: #525 MandyManners

How many of the billions would be going (still) to these freakin' socialist bastads? Give me a number I can wrap my head around.

536 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:18am

re: #477 scottishbuzzsaw

We'll wait together...as calmly as possible...and maybe try to make the lizards laugh to relieve the stress somewhat...always good medicine...

Laughter is the best medicine, I agree!

537 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:21am

re: #506 3 wood

re: #479 Kenneth

The House Republicans had plenty of time to pull something together before this.

I'm not excusing the games being played by the Dem's either, but we just don;t have time left for this crap.

We have almost no time left to fix this before a financial core melt down happens.

This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.

3 wood, I took some 300 level Econ classes but that was just enough to tell me I didn't know much. Could you play Devil's Advocate with the scenario of a limited bailout that didn't save many of the companies? Would the market find it's own level and give us a new starting point? Are there some that we would be artificially propping up to their own detriment when maybe a painful cleansing is needed? I don't think this, but would like some good points against what I'm hearing. Thanks for your expertise in this matter.

538 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:42am

re: #526 Cap'n DOC

Are you? It's my money, too, and I don't have any 'investments' but for a house that isn't paid for. How about you?

What is your point? I don't have investments either, except for a house, and I owe under $2000 on one credit card. What if your business or employer folds and you can't find work?

You said I don't know what no deal to bail out Wall Street, followed by a financial meltdown, means. Fine. What does it mean then?

539 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:45am

re: #532 Kenneth

My point exactly. This is like hiring burglars to install a security system.

540 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:37:07am

re: #532 Kenneth

Geeesh. I wonder who that could be? Maybe he's going to do just as he said he would and NAME NAMES.

541 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:37:44am

re: #528 Miss Trixie

{jorline} And a good morning to you too. :D How are things in the great state of Texas today? Feeling fine today?

I'm well..thank you. It's a gorgeous day in south TX. Just wait to see what the stooges in Washington have on their agendas today.

Hope you're well and good to see you.

542 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:10am

I'm just glad I have a nice car to live in after this all settles down.

543 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:12am

I just got a phone call form a friend who works for a small business. He went to work today and got told they will have no paychecks today cause the bank canceled the credit line.

This is how it affects Main Street folks.

544 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:13am

re: #531 Irene NYC

I'm sorry to hear that.

The BF isn't sure if he'll have a job for too much longer, either

He's a mortgage broker.

545 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:15am

re: #529 3 wood

The DOW is down 140 already.

For those who want a melt down, enjoy the ride.

The good news is that it's on low volume.

/sidelines

546 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:27am

re: #302 3 wood

Of course the market's going to drop-- we're in a recession. The only question is whether we get a crash, a hard landing or a soft landing. And government intervention can only soften the landing, not prevent it. The crap still has to get flushed from the system, and it's not a pretty picture. It's only going to get uglier, with or without the bailout.

Given that the Democrats, who control Congress, have demanded that the GOP get on board "or else", and that they've proceeded to lard up this formerly "clean" bill with their Christmas shopping list for the next twenty years, including billions for ACORN, I'd say they're playing chicken.

I don't think the GOP should back down on demands for a clean bill. I do think we need a mechanism for flushing the crap out of the system in a quick and orderly fashion. And I think some bailout money has to be committed to ensure the solvency and liquidity of the money market mutual funds and the FDIC bank deposit insurance fund at a minimum.

As long as consumers don't panic, and don't lose their conservatively invested life savings, things will self-correct. If consumers are placed at risk, all bets are off.

547 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:46am

When I see this crisis I think "Who has been stealing?".

Spit, where should I aim it?

548 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:52am

re: #538 Tigger2005

I want a deal on OUR terms, not the freakin' people who got us into this mess. And that's what 'the deal' was - yesterday. It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?

549 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:07am

re: #533 reine.de.tout

GREAT!

Good morning, Jorline. Coffee upthread a little!

Thanks...any cake left over?

550 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:22am

Coming to an America near you; the all cash economy. No loans, no cars (no car companies), no new houses (no home builders), no student loans and no college educations, no municipal bonds, no road or bridge repairs,etc..

551 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:26am

re: #542 rawmuse

I'm just glad I have a nice car to live in after this all settles down.

My car's paid for and can sleep 4 in a pinch.

552 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:57am

There once was a man named McCain
Who suffered through torture and pain
Who, using his traits
Will make fifty states
A beacon of light again.

(was in limerick mode this morning, dunno why)

Good morning folks.

553 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:02am

re: #522 realwest

Hi ya gorgeous and a big *smoooch* back to you! I'm doing ok physically today - dentist stopped the toothache pain (caused by grinding my teeth - now why would I have been grinding my teeth?! LOL!). Anyway other than that I am extremely unhappy today because of this financial meltdown that DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN!
How are you doing today, sweetie?

Och. The trouble you've had these days, luv. *huggles*

I'm just fine and soooo glad it's Firday - whataweek! Yikes! The weather has been magnificent all week with highs in the 80s and loads of sinshine - not bad for the Land of the Canucksicles in September, so I'll take it gladly. :D

554 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:20am

3 Wood

Maybe you can answer this question for me.

I have a Washington Mutual credit card. I transferred a balance to it and have a very good rate. Is the rate now subject to being spiked because of this?

555 jmac1492  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:23am

Is there any word yet on the McCain plan to save the economy like was rumored upthread?

556 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:25am

I'm watching the President. He will make it all better.

/

557 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:26am

Bush: We need a rescue plan.

558 right_on_target  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:27am

From the New Orleans Times Picayune .....
Steve Kelley

559 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:32am

re: #494 Tigger2005
Good morning! "They simply don't understand what this means."
Yup. Lots and lots of folks are going to either lose altogether or see a tremendous reduction in the value of their pension plans, 401's and IRA's but are also gonna be losing their jobs.Someout out here last night - or early this AM, said now was a GREAT time to buy houses (cheap) and then make a killing renting them out!
That's a great idea but since no one will loan you the money (banks won't even loan to other banks to cover the overnight discount window draws) to buy the houses and since so many people are, I seriously believe this, going to lose their jobs, who the hell are ya gonna rent to?
There is a time and place for idealogy wars; today, here and now isn't one of them. We haven't had "unfettered capitalism" in this country for over 100 years or so and to suggest - in the middle of what may be the biggest financial melt down of all time - that we "revert to it" is silly, ignorant and perhaps downright evil.

560 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:58am

Bush is speaking...

561 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:07am

re: #548 Cap'n DOC

It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?

Well apparently so, that is what has gotten us into this mess.

Busting Commandment No. 1 if you ask me.

562 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:11am

GWB:

There is no disagreement that something substantial must be done.

563 Irene NYC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:18am

"But there is no disagreement that something substantial needs to be done... We are going to get a package passed."

But will it be fast enough?

564 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:35am

Well that was quick...

565 joncelli  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:43am

Well, that wasn't very informative. You can tell W's heart isn't in it anymore.

566 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:46am

re: #532 Kenneth

Notice that GOP senator Bob Bennett is near the top of that list as well. He's one of those mentioned in the Fox story about yesterday's negotiations.re: #551 David IV of Georgia

My car's paid for and can sleep 4 in a pinch.

Same here. Two paid-for vehicles that are in pretty good shape mechanically.

567 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:48am

That was um, brief.

LOL

568 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:48am

re: #514 Panhandler

Oh heck, we're just one big family here, I'll break out the Drambuie tomorrow ratso, you was the man today, rest on your laurels


awwwwwwww, thanks :)

569 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:17am

What? That was Bush's remarks? That's no help! "We need a plan." We all know that, Mr. President. I can't see this helping the markets at all.

570 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:23am

re: #534 Ojoe

OK here are some grits.

May the peace of a thousand angles rest upon your shoulders, may the wind be always at your back, THANKEW

571 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:23am

WOW...that was short.

We will have a bipartisan rescue plan.

572 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:27am

Bush repeats himself.

/didn't happen last time

573 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:32am

re: #496 jorline
Good morning my friend - what was your diagnosis yesterday that scottishbuzzsaw was talking about?!

574 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:55am

The president is now speaking, "We need a rescue plan, becuse this is a rescue" Ok "This seems like a big problem, because it is big"
There says it all. Wherever you go that's where you are.

575 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:43:00am

re: #565 joncelli

Well, that wasn't very informative. You can tell W's heart isn't in it anymore.

I'll bet he's counting the days. On January 20th it'll be, "Fuck it, I'm out of here!"

576 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:43:13am

re: #503 Killian Bundy

WELL, WHAT? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.

/Paulson ran Goldman Sachs, Bernanke signed off on it, do you think they're idiots?

That is the point exactly. The Paulson plan had some holes, but it was working already. The market was showing that.

577 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:44:07am

Thank you President Hoover.

578 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:03am

Good morning, all...

So, I'm in the car last night, and some loser columnist named Fatima Ali, who predicted a "full fledged' race war if McCain wins in November*, was lamenting that 30+% of white democrats won't vote for Obama because he is black (as an aside, I don't know if the poll that elicited that stat actually included the race of the voter). The host pointed out that a huge porportion of blacks are voting for Obama and that many have said it is because he is black. She tried to pass that off as a pride thing. The host pressed her and repeated that she said it was wrong to not vote for Obama because he was black. She agreed. So the host said, but what about voting for him because he is black. There was a brief pause, and then she said, "That's okay."

So, a (racist) judgment or choice in one direction, based upon race, is wrong to her, but a (racist) judgment or choice in the other direction, based upon race, is "okay."

We will never get beyond race being an issue in this country as long as liberal idiots like this continue to believe that it is okay to judge or make decisions on the color of one's skin. MLK must be rolling over in his grave.

Liberal logic: It is a contradiction wrapped in a paradox inside an oxymoron.

*If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness! (of course, on the show last night, she claimed she was speaking metaphorically)

579 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:08am

re: #501 realwest

Good morning real!

That post was BANG ON!

This is going to be painful, and frankly it had better be painful.

The bastards in Washington got power from the wealth this boondoggle created on Wall St. If the bailout is painless, they will not learn their lessons. And if the bailout rewards ACORN & the other rackets the left have been using, we will be paying for the ruination of the US.

re: #506 3 wood

This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.

Sneaking a clause to ban shale oil production is political game playing. They think they have the country over a barrel. The Dems have got to realize the gun is pointed at their heads.

As I understand the alternative rescue plan, the US gov't is to put up the money as assurance, but not hand it over to the firms. This puts the cost on Wall St, not the taxpayer. Equally important, the bill will not include handouts to ACORN or other leftist PACs.

580 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:26am

It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?

581 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:53am

re: #548 Cap'n DOC

I want a deal on OUR terms, not the freakin' people who got us into this mess. And that's what 'the deal' was - yesterday. It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?

What kind of question is that?

582 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:46:27am

re: #549 jorline

Thanks...any cake left over?

Alas, no! Cake is gone.
And it was some kind of good.
Sorry you missed it!

583 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:46:34am

re: #574 opnion

Wherever you go that's where you are.

Beyond Thunderdome? :>)

584 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:13am

re: #578 christheprofessor

Hey {CTP}

I am so unimpressed with fools like her.

585 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:13am

re: #550 Peacekeeper

Coming to an America near you; the all cash economy. No loans, no cars (no car companies), no new houses (no home builders), no student loans and no college educations, no municipal bonds, no road or bridge repairs,etc..

I wish people would realize that this could be our future.

586 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:19am

re: #573 realwest

Good morning my friend - what was your diagnosis yesterday that scottishbuzzsaw was talking about?!

Internist called and confirmed RA. All lab test and x-rays showed early stages of rheumatoid arthritis. I will learn more when I visit with him on the 8th of October. Until then I stay on the prednisone and wait for my rheumatologist appointment in late November. I'm on the rheumy's cancellation list already...trying to get in earlier.

How are you and what did your doc say yesterday?

587 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:22am

re: #581 MandyManners

What kind of question is that?

I don't know. I think some people have gone crazy.

Money is just a symbol of real wealth, and this country is about to lose a shitload of it.

588 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:33am

re: #479 Kenneth

I'm no economics, but the bailout plan as presented sure looked bad to me:

House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon, even after the New York Times reported that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi to compromise. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, wasn’t a lack of begging but a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza.

The Dems aren't satisfied for having created the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to use the rescue funds to reward the people who did this?

Something has to be done, but not just anything.

If it happens, all profits should be put into the Social Security lock box (or whatever the hell it is called). F*ck ACORN.

589 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:42am

re: #515 Cap'n DOC

How many times does it have to be said that the R's have attempted to clean this up - long before now. What good did that do? They (and I mean the entire lot of 'em) kept putting band-aids on major wounds, 3 wood...

And we need to fix this now.

Not next week.

Not after some debate in Mississippi

Now.

The credit markets are locked up folks. Businesses can not get short term loans for operating cash.

This is causing billions of dollars in lost production, lost wages, lost sales.

How many more banks have got to close down before we get the picture?

590 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:42am

re: #577 Peacekeeper

Thank you President Hoover.


Good God, he sounds like it. mcCain & Obama should to a coin flip & the winner take over now. Unless Obama wins , the do best two out of three.
If obama wins ask Obama to name every survivor on the Titanic.
Then ask McCain to guess a number between one & three.

591 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:52am

re: #582 reine.de.tout

Alas, no! Cake is gone.
And it was some kind of good.
Sorry you missed it!

I still have some Krispy Kremes...right there on the table...

592 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:48:07am

re: #557 jorline

link to Bush talking?

593 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:48:08am

Good morning all!

594 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:48:11am

re: #583 scottishbuzzsaw

That's called "Olliver's Law of Location."

Here is the Law of the Conservation of Filth:

"You cannot clean something without getting something else dirty."

595 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:48:41am

re: #580 Nevergiveup

It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?


good thinking bet Livini has thought it too huh?

596 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:49:12am

re: #580 Nevergiveup

It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?

SPEW

597 Irene NYC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:49:39am

Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.

WTF?

598 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:49:45am

re: #594 Ojoe

That's called "Olliver's Law of Location."

Here is the Law of the Conservation of Filth:

"You cannot clean something without getting something else dirty."

Ahh...thanks...just remembered the line in Mad Max used as a delaying tactic...

599 yesandno  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:26am

re: #519 Tigger2005

So let's hear from your experts. Is someone going to find ten trillion dollars on the sidewalk?

More likely in a brown bag by the lamp post in the corner at 3AM... in Chicago outside the ACORN office.

600 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:29am

re: #597 Irene NYC

Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.

WTF?

Who is he gonna debate? Old Miss's QB?

601 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:46am
602 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:56am

re: #463 Panhandler

Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)


So the Democrats see the bailout as an opportunity to line the coffers of their corrupt political action committees?

603 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:00am

re: #597 Irene NYC

Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.

WTF?

The McCain people should stake out both airports and show his plane leaving DC and touching down in Mississippi for an ad.

Then cut to McCain in DC doing his job.

604 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:22am

re: #600 Nevergiveup

Let him go the fool if McCain stays to work Mr.0bama loses

605 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:35am

re: #597 Irene NYC

Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.

WTF?

I saw it too - way to go, Mr. Not Yet President.

606 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:43am

re: #597 Irene NYC

Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.

WTF?

Who cares. He can go down there and posture and preen all he wants.

607 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:45am

re: #597 Irene NYC

Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.

WTF?

All this stupid economy talk has distracted people form the one & only real issue in this campaign, "OBAMA!"

608 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:49am

re: #584 loppyd

Hey, {lopps}! They don't impress me, either. Stoking the industry is all they are doing...

Sorry about the Pats... :(

609 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:59am

Hong Kong police arrest 11 for spreading rumors about AIG

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Sounds like a sound strategy to me? We should try this on Wall Street and in Congress!

610 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:21am

re: #591 scottishbuzzsaw

I still have some Krispy Kremes...right there on the table...

best . . . donuts . . . ever.
Yum.

611 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:26am

re: #587 Tigger2005

I don't know. I think some people have gone crazy.

Money is just a symbol of real wealth, and this country is about to lose a shitload of it.

That shit about ACORN put me in a foul, foul mood.

612 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:47am

re: #597 Irene NYC

He's going to Mississippi to collect the presidency that he sold his soul for. Let's hope there's a surprise in the box.

613 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:47am

re: #504 Cap'n DOC

lighten up cap....I was just asking for more info. Some of us have housework and kids to contend with :OP

614 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:52am

Let's keep electing people who have no financial expertise, never ran a business, and have no schooling in economics EVEN THOUGH THEIR PRIMARY JOB IS TO SPEND OUR MONEY!

615 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:52am

Brinksmanship: we're soaking in it?

616 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:05am

re: #603 loppyd

The McCain people should stake out both airports and show his plane leaving DC and touching down in Mississippi for an ad.

Then cut to McCain in DC doing his job.

Brilliant.

617 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:06am

re: #610 reine.de.tout

Sorry, buddy. Krispy Kremes don't hold a candle to Tim Hortons.

618 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:19am

re: #578 rustproofs

Good morning, all...

So, I'm in the car last night, and some loser columnist named Fatima Ali, who predicted a "full fledged' race war if McCain wins in November*, was lamenting that 30+% of white democrats won't vote for ABM because he is black (as an aside, I don't know if the poll that elicited that stat actually included the race of the voter). The host pointed out that a huge proportion of blacks are voting for ABM and that many have said it is because he is black. She tried to pass that off as a pride thing. The host pressed her and repeated that she said it was wrong to not vote for ABM because he was black. She agreed. So the host said, but what about voting for him because he is black. There was a brief pause, and then she said, "That's okay."

So, a (racist) judgment or choice in one direction, based upon race, is wrong to her, but a (racist) judgment or choice in the other direction, based upon race, is "okay."

We will never get beyond race being an issue in this country as long as liberal idiots like this continue to believe that it is okay to judge or make decisions on the color of one's skin. MILK must be rolling over in his grave.

Liberal logic: It is a contradiction wrapped in a paradox inside an oxymoron.

*If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness! (of course, on the show last night, she claimed she was speaking metaphorically)

They need to remove all of Fatima Ali's ways of communicating and lock her down. She has written a lot articles about race wars and she's definitely feeding the fire.

Someone send her a one way ticket to Cuba or Venezuela...go play Che' over there.

619 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:20am

re: #520 opnion
Yeah my friend you're right - we do have to do something - but I don't have the answers, I'm afraid or I'd share 'em with you and everyone else.
I do know that letting Dodd, Frank, Pelosi and Reid basically write the "bailout bill" CAN'T BE GOOD. Maybe it'll help the markets short term but long term we will melt down to our economic core - hell we're almost there anyway.
I think if the McCain led Republicans can get some of the more onerous provisions taken out, the bill will be passed and will help for a while.
But McaCain is right: We need to a)ditch the damn Commmunity Redevlopment Act altogether b) stop throwing pure crap into this bill (Shale oil, credit cards and other lenders) and FOCUS on what the hell matters here!
And I know my friend Killian is gonna have a cardiac event any minute now, but the Republicans haven't yet put forth a "Plan" because I think they honestly thought they could go along with the Dem plan - but the Dem plan didn't start hangin' all the true dead wood and irrelevencies on it until THIS WEEK. The Dem's are using this to give to thier backers and posture for the election - I don't think the Repub's really thought they do that or do it to such an extent.
Now they'll have to compromise with the Dem Plan and, as usual with any damn Dem plan, we'll all wind up losing in the long run.

620 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:26am

re: #604 Ojoe

Let him go the fool if McCain stays to work Mr.0bama loses


uhhhh, call him if ya need him, don't forget

621 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:29am

re: #501 realwestmorning {real}
thanks for the synopsis. I'm trying really hard to cut thru the crap to understand what is right and what is BS. I usually can read/hear most conservatives and know. But, this seems to be more complicated. Bottom line for me..if money is to be "made" eventually off this 'whatever you want to call it', I sure don't want congress to be in charge of spending it! I read a little of Rush's commentary yesterday and it may have already been discussed, but he was suggesting that if congress really wanted to effect the markets immediately, they could cut the capital gains tax for a short time. Seems they always want MORE $$$, but could cut some things right now and show some leadership.

622 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:31am

re: #611 MandyManners

That shit about ACORN put me in a foul, foul mood.

Listen to Louis again, sweetie...

623 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:36am

So McCain set off a shouting match by not saying anything?

624 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:44am

re: #537 Spenser (with an S)

Could you play Devil's Advocate with the scenario of a limited bailout that didn't save many of the companies? Would the market find it's own level and give us a new starting point? Are there some that we would be artificially propping up to their own detriment when maybe a painful cleansing is needed? I don't think this, but would like some good points against what I'm hearing. Thanks for your expertise in this matter.

The credit markets are frozen. Businesses live and die on their ability to access short term credit lines. For every $1 dollar banks take in in deposits, they create approximately $10 in economic expansion due to making loans. It's called the multiplier effect.

This scaled down, lets go offer insurance to the banks idea is not going to work, it's not going to fix that in time. We also have to eliminate the "mark to market" GAAP requirement that forces banks to value these deals at the "fire sale" price. I would switch to net present value of the likely cash flows. The SEC could do that today witht he stroke of a pen, but Cox is too plain stupid to get that.

Banks and small businesses are within days of closing. There is no time left for this screwing around now.

It boils down to, do we want to have a total melt down or not.

625 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:58am

re: #614 ciaospirit

Let's keep electing people who have no financial expertise, never ran a business, and have no schooling in economics EVEN THOUGH THEIR PRIMARY JOB IS TO SPEND OUR MONEY!

MBA's instead of JD's?

626 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:05am

re: #618 jorline

She's threatening violence to get her way

627 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:16am
628 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:20am

re: #582 reine.de.tout

Alas, no! Cake is gone.
And it was some kind of good.
Sorry you missed it!

I'll catch it in the Lizard Cookbook. ;)

629 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:29am

How about this, turn the mess over to Donald Trump?
Annoying gut with a bad comb over, but he is a business genius & he sure knows real estate.

630 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:32am

re: #463 Panhandler

Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)


Money quote:

It’s bad enough that taxpayers have to pay the price for Congress’ decade-long distortions of the lending and investment markets. If we realize a profit from the bailout, that money should go to pay down the debt or get returned to taxpayers as dividends from their investment — not to organizations committing voter fraud, and not to restarting the entire cycle of government meddling in lending markets. I’d support a rational bailout package, but anything that funds the HTF needs to get stopped.
631 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:50am

re: #523 jorline
Hey my friend - nope got to and from the dentist and the dentist fixed up my physical pain. Now if we could only get the Dem's to remember that they are AMERICANS then I'll feel a lot better!
What's up with you?!

632 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:52am

Our Money, who art in Wall Street...

633 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:04am

re: #620 ratso

On November 5th I shall not call him.

BBL

634 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:13am

re: #608 christheprofessor

Hey, {lopps}! They don't impress me, either. Stoking the industry is all they are doing...

Sorry about the Pats... :(

Hey, you can't win them all.

The day after Brady went down, a very wise friend of mine sent me an email and reminded me that there are plenty of brave heroes at Walter Reed who would gladly take a torn ACL if they could only get their leg back to have it.

Context.

635 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:14am

re: #601 ploome hineni

cake?

someone mentioned cake?

WHO HAS THE RECIPE?

/send it to Reinede TOUT

we need a goooooooood cake recipe

Send the recipe here

636 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:18am

re: #546 quickjustice

As long as consumers don't panic, and don't lose their conservatively invested life savings, things will self-correct. If consumers are placed at risk, all bets are off.

Banks are closing down.

It's beyond whether or not consumers don't panic.

637 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:21am

re: #622 scottishbuzzsaw

Listen to Louis again, sweetie...

This has seized my brain.

638 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:22am
639 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:32am

re: #580 Nevergiveup

It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?

Apparently so.....

640 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:40am

Anyone in the mood for some coffee cake? Hep yeselfs.

If we run out, here's some nice sticky buns when that runs out.

:D

641 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:40am

re: #589 3 wood

Every bank that overloaded on bad mortgage paper is going down without a bailout. As long as federal deposit insurance is in place, consumers with bank deposits won't suffer.

We still need some bailout money. The real question now is: what are the terms of the bailout? Who is eligible? Is bad behavior rewarded? Are the incentives aligned correctly? How much of a haircut do the holders of bad paper take? And how much of a haircut do taxpayers take?

642 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:47am

re: #592 Kenneth

link to Bush talking?

Sorry for the late response, Kenneth. I was watching FOX and it was only 60 seconds in length.

643 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:00am

re: #602 FrogMarch

So the Democrats see the bailout as an opportunity to line the coffers of their corrupt political action committees?

If Congress were serious about passing a bailout bill, they wouldn't even be considering earmarks. None.

Bastards. Can they make me any more sick.

644 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:03am

re: #617 Kenneth

Sorry, buddy. Krispy Kremes don't hold a candle to Tim Hortons.

never heard of 'em.

645 NC State of Mind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:10am

Rasmussen Daily Tracking

To top it off, Obama has opened a five point lead in the new Rasmussen Daily Tracking poll.

646 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:55am

re: #554 loppyd

I have a Washington Mutual credit card. I transferred a balance to it and have a very good rate. Is the rate now subject to being spiked because of this?

Yes.

Credit rates are rising as a result of this. LIBOR has jumped.

647 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:58am

re: #606 Ward Cleaver

Who cares. He can go down there and posture and preen all he wants.


Ya know it has been bugging me, trying to think who or what
Obama reminds be of. Then I came to me, a male model.
Not real bright, his suit hangs well. Ok , the ears thing, but that can be fixed.

648 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:57:19am

re: #639 eschew_obfuscation

Apparently so.....

Don't ask Don't tell!

649 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:57:22am

re: #618 jorline

They need to remove all of Fatima Ali's ways of communicating and lock her down. She has written a lot articles about race wars and she's definitely feeding the fire.

Someone send her a one way ticket to Cuba or Venezuela...go play Che' over there.

She got something like 10K hate e-mails in response to that column. And her response? She said the race war had already begun...

I think the word "beeyatch" was invented for that particular race hustler...

650 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:57:54am

re: #629 opnion

How about this, turn the mess over to Donald Trump?
Annoying gut with a bad comb over, but he is a business genius & he sure knows real estate.

He's gone bankrupt at least three times, IIRC.

651 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:18am

re: #650 ciaospirit

He's gone bankrupt at least three times, IIRC.

And recovered, n'est-ce pas?

652 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:29am
653 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:31am

re: #557 jorline

Bush: We need a rescue plan.

Yeah, some leadership, huh?

Bush, get your butt up to Capital Hill and start brokering a deal. Now.

654 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:31am

Did Bush say something?

/seriously, did I miss it?

655 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:47am

re: #640 Miss Trixie

Anyone in the mood for some coffee cake? Hep yeselfs.

If we run out, here's some nice sticky buns when that runs out.

:D

To heck with the diet...(dives in)...thanks Miss Trixie.

656 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:06am

re: #626 Ojoe

She's threatening violence to get her way

She sucks and she's yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Screw her first amendment rights...that right goes out the window when you're trying to incite a race war.

657 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:21am

re: #654 Killian Bundy

Did Bush say something?

/seriously, did I miss it?

60 seconds - the legislative process is not pretty, but it will . . . do something.
I think that was the gist.

658 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:22am

re: #654 Killian Bundy

Did Bush say something?

/seriously, did I miss it?

If you blinked, then yes...

659 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:25am

Recession/Depression? those were the salad days of the Democratic party. Maybe they figure they can blame Bush and go one to inherit the whole shebang. Bastards.

660 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:34am

re: #650 ciaospirit

He's gone bankrupt at least three times, IIRC.

Yeah he has, but he always gets it back. Time to get it back.

661 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:06am

re: #634 loppyd

Hey, you can't win them all.

The day after Brady went down, a very wise friend of mine sent me an email and reminded me that there are plenty of brave heroes at Walter Reed who would gladly take a torn ACL if they could only get their leg back to have it.

Context.

Definitely a very wise friend...

662 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:16am

re: #619 realwest

Melt down now, melt down later. What's the diff? Not much.

663 Miss Trixie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:18am

re: my #640

Yeesh. Redundant much?

664 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:22am

re: #646 3 wood

Yes.

Credit rates are rising as a result of this. LIBOR has jumped.

Unfortunately I know what LIBOR is.

We have an ARM that we can't refinance because the jackass who developed our building into condos kept one for himself and is in litigation with both the city and a neighbor. We cannot get a mortgage when there is pending litigation involving any of the unit owners.

The LIBOR going up means serious problems for us.

665 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:23am

How come the dow is rebounding? And not plunging?

666 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:48am

Hey, youse guys got gas in Charlotte yet?

667 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:01:05am
668 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:01:43am

The Prosecutor's office in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland area) is looking into ACORN voter fraud as we speak. So not only have they been convicted of it in the past, they continue to do it and apparently have no intention of stopping.

669 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:01:54am

HUH! ... sticky buns?
I've been lurking for several minutes and haven't seen a tro ... oh, uh, never mind

670 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:02:04am

CNN.com is saying that if McCain doesn't show tonight, the debate will go to a town-hall format, with Obama answering unscripted audience questions.

HA HA HA. That would be priceless! Obama doesn't need to debate McCain to look bad.

671 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:02:28am

re: #579 Kenneth

A

s I understand the alternative rescue plan, the US gov't is to put up the money as assurance, but not hand it over to the firms. This puts the cost on Wall St, not the taxpayer. Equally important, the bill will not include handouts to ACORN or other leftist PACs.

Kenneth, that might have worked 6 months ago. It is too late for that now. Banks are closing. The credit market is frozen.

There is not time to talk about issuing insurance.

You have got to get the bad loans off the banks books. Now.

Anything short of that will not work.

672 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:02:32am

re: #617 Kenneth

Sorry, buddy. Krispy Kremes don't hold a candle to Tim Hortons.

Who he? Local, regional, or national?

673 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:03:18am

re: #644 reine.de.tout

Tims is a big donut chain in Canada. When Krispy Kreme tried to move into the Canadian market and compete, Tims beat them hands down.

They even have a branch in Kandahar

674 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:03:54am

re: #665 Nevergiveup

How come the dow is rebounding? And not plunging?

Very short term reaction to the President talking. Stand back, it will plummet soon.

675 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:03:57am

re: #672 scottishbuzzsaw

Canadian

676 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:14am

re: #667 taxfreekiller

Sarah Palin,

Get on TV some how, just say this.

"Put the bad loans on the net a "Mortgage bail out E-bay" ,
let investors world wide bid on these loans, have a mim. bid,
and let them be sold, have mortgage service firms bid for the
work of servicing the loans"

That my dear Ms. Palin would solve the problem with out one
dime of our tax money.

Yours true,

taxfreekiller


rah, rah TFK. What an outstanding idea.

677 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:22am

re: #576 3 wood
You know I like and respect you a LOT - but Paulson's plan wasn't Paulson's plan by the start of yesterday - it had been so larded up it was barely recognizable. I think the street reacted the way it did just because the Street was stupid enough to believe that ANY bailout plan would work. Paulson know's what he's doing, the Dems haven't got a fucking clue, but it's the Dems, not Paulson, who are running this show now and they have taken Paulson's relatively straight forward bill and made it something to reward their political constitutuents and, by the way, maybe help out where the fianancial help is needed the most.

678 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:46am

re: #656 jorline

She sucks and she's yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Screw her first amendment rights...that right goes out the window when you're trying to incite a race war.

She wants to see that the peaceful transition of power becomes a quaint historical anomaly.

679 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:47am
680 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:51am

oh man, they just played the Bush 60 second statement.
I do not believe that Bush is stupid, but I half expected him to say, "The economy is like a box of chocolates" Very Forrest Gump.

681 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:01am

re: #623 Who Watches the Watchmen?

So McCain set off a shouting match by not saying anything?

It was his droopy eyelid. The Dems thought he was giving them the stinkeye.

682 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:20am

re: #672 scottishbuzzsaw

Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.

683 yesandno  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:27am

Don't think anyone is against 'a' solution...just from 'this' solution.

Legislation should deal with the bailout, not protection of every blade of grass in the botanical garden that is in trouble.

Get every single side issue off the bill and then deal with it. People who loose the house can rent...because that is basically what they are doing now...they have no real dollar investment in the home now.

684 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:31am

And then there's this. China is out of control.

The Hong Kong government says it has found traces of melamine in baby cereals and crackers made in China in an expanding scandal over Chinese milk and other food products tainted with the industrial chemical.

685 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:36am

Uh, remember people, the Paulson proposal IS the GOP plan. And if it had stayed clean, and the cap were lowered, I'd say it was worth supporting.

At the moment, it's Congress that's melting down. Paulson is saying the crisis is so serious that moral hazard must be disregarded for a rescue. The GOP is obsessed with moral hazard. And the Democrats are treating this as another opportunity to line their own pockets, business as usual.

Everyone is fiddling as the economy burns, people.

686 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:37am
687 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:43am

re: #631 realwest

Hey my friend - nope got to and from the dentist and the dentist fixed up my physical pain. Now if we could only get the Dem's to remember that they are AMERICANS then I'll feel a lot better!
What's up with you?!

I agree with your excellent post, RW. I'm so pissed off at everyone in Washington at this time. I stated yesterday that they should set the example by taking a 5% pay cut and freeze their wages until we're out of this mess. I'm hearing about a 25 billion earmark for the auto industry? WTF! No sleep for any of these pricks until they fix this problem.

Congress should be ticketed for DWI-O (drunk while in office). Split the 700 billion between all of these yahoo's.

688 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #645 NC State of Mind

Rasmussen Daily Tracking

To top it off, Obama has opened a five point lead in the new Rasmussen Daily Tracking poll.

Take heart.
If Obama wins, he will reside over a shit economy. The corrupt democrats will attempt to socialize everything while Obama stuffs every cabinet and government position with a fellow William Ayers-type communists. The nation will spiral down and Obama will anger many. Obama, if elected, will be the second coming of Jimmy Carter.

689 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:32am

It was nice while it lasted. I had hope up to now. I think next week we are all going to wake up in a very different America. Some here think this is a good thing. I agree that things needed to change and that recessions are not necessarily a bad thing. But this is not a recession, people. In a recession, life and business go on.

I don't know how the small nonprofit I work for will survive this. There isn't much time but I guess I better plan to be without work in 3 or 4 weeks.

690 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:36am

re: #679 ploome hineni

............we would like, if possible to have the cookbooks available for CHRISTMAS GIVING...it will be mailed to you or your recipient for Christmas, for a cost of about $10.................maybe 2 dollars more

GREAT GIFT....no mucho dinero

so send in those recipes...TOUTE SUITE

and please, notify everyone you email with on LGF...let this go viral

(so to speak)

email to ReinedeTout

God willing and the creek don't rise, I'll buy one.
reine already has a recipe from me.
Thanks to both of you for doing this, ploome.

691 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:38am

Interesting...the Dow came back up 60 points after the initial 137 point drop.

692 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:50am

re: #682 Kenneth

Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.

Nothing within 50 miles of my town...yet!

693 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:24am
694 joncelli  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:31am

re: #691 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What do the traders know that we don't? Maybe the Democrats blinked and word leaked out? If McCain goes front and center with a bill the Congressional GOP will sign off on, then debates Obambi tonight, it will be a one-two punch.

695 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:41am

re: #649 christheprofessor

She got something like 10K hate e-mails in response to that column. And her response? She said the race war had already begun...

I think the word "beeyatch" was invented for that particular race hustler...

She's bad news...perhaps a black jihadist?

696 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:44am

I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.....

Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan.....

Told them I was suicidal....

They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.

697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:06am

Gosh, I hate "dance away lovers".

698 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:11am

re: #682 Kenneth

Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.

Hmmm... that could be interesting. I tried Krispy Kreme donuts, and I was unimpressed. That goo they put on them? Didn't like it.

Years ago we had a chain in Dallas called Lone Star Donuts, and we would always say, "I'm going to get some LSD".

699 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:13am

Folks - the election is already over. The fix is in.

700 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:47am

re: #641 quickjustice

Every bank that overloaded on bad mortgage paper is going down without a bailout. As long as federal deposit insurance is in place, consumers with bank deposits won't suffer.

I beg to differ.

Most of those loans will be good if held to maturity. Problem is the banks have to value them according to the accounting rules at the 'Mark to market" price is they had to sell it today. Since in this market that is likely 20 cents on the dollar, they have to then hold onto all their capital (and not loan it out) in order to be able to write down the loans to the fire sale value. That has frozen the credit markets.

So therefore, the banks can not lend out short term money to business to finance their accounts receivables, payrolls etc, and commerce is slowing to a crawl. So consumers of those banks are going to suffer, big time.

701 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:48am
702 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:59am

re: #693 ploome hineni

Reine is awesome, she is doing the heavy lifting

lets all send in tose recipes, with link to your avatar.....and some quote or comment so we can all have a momento of this great blog AND SUPPORT chARLES AND THE troops

Are you going to put avatars in? I've got a small jpg of mine which I can e-mail.

reine ..... ?

703 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:05am

re: #696 eschew_obfuscation

I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.....

Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan.....

Told them I was suicidal....

They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.

Upding! I meant to upding!

Whew! Glad Charles fixed that.

704 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:08am

re: #692 scottishbuzzsaw

If you get a chance, give them some business. Regular Canadians love them: they don't sell flavoured grande soy lattes, they sell "coffee".

705 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:10am

good morning everyone,
it's raining and dreary here. kind of suits my mood.
i woke up thinking abt. human greed and easy access to all that money laying around.
loans being given to people (who obviously couldn't pay them back) by people who got bonuses for giving the money. and no one around to lay down the law and say this is a short lived bad proposition.
because most of them were benefiting too.
it was an orgy of greed. very disgusting. but an almost inevitable result in a situation like this.
it's like all these people were gorging at a buffet expecting the waiters to just keep bringing the food forever.
now it's an empty filthy table. the party's over and we get to clean up the mess.

even if there is a 'bail out', if the system isn't changed it will grind to a halt in the future because socialism depresses the best people in any society. eventually they will get tired of doing all the work.

706 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:11am

re: #696 eschew_obfuscation

I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.....

Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan.....

Told them I was suicidal....

They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.


*shaking head*

707 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:13am

re: #667 taxfreekiller

Sarah Palin

/don't miss, unlike Obama, she's a crack shot

708 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:25am

Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?

709 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:36am

re: #695 jorline

She's bad news...perhaps a black jihadist?

Certainly has the surname for it...

710 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:58am

the DOW is dropping back down again now.

711 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:11:35am

re: #704 Kenneth

If you get a chance, give them some business. Regular Canadians love them: they don't sell flavoured grande soy lattes, they sell "coffee".

Will do...real coffee is the only thing I drink!

712 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:11:46am

re: #700 3 wood

I keep hearing they should just change the "accounting principles". What do you think?

713 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:11:57am
714 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:12:20am

Ok three things:

1. The dems could pass the package now, they have enough votes. But they will NOT because they want more Republican votes.

2. Reid has added a "no shale oil" thing to it. Which means the ban that will expire on Oct 1, will be back ON because he is adding this to the bailout plan.

3. Obama is flying out of Washington at 11. He is going to Mississippi. I do not think that McCain will go without a plan in place.

So does Obama look smart for going and getting 90 minutes to himself on prime time tv or does he look selfish and stupid for not staying and trying to fix this mess?

715 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:12:38am

re: #694 joncelli

What do the traders know that we don't? Maybe the Democrats blinked and word leaked out? If McCain goes front and center with a bill the Congressional GOP will sign off on, then debates Obambi tonight, it will be a one-two punch.

That is the most favorable scenario. Slothful Barry has to leave DC early, you know where his paying job is at, to get back to rest up for the debate.
McCain whisks in at the last minute after doing his job & stopping the Dems from foisting more corruption on the taxpayers.

716 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:12:55am
717 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:13:20am

Krauthammer has the right idea:

Capping executive pay is piffle. What we need are a few exemplary hangings. Public hangings. On television. Pick a few failed investment firms, lead their CEOs in chains through the canyons of Manhattan and give the mob satisfaction. Better still, precede the auto-da-fe -- fire is highly telegenic -- with 24-hour reality-TV coverage of their recantations, lamentations and final visits with the soon-to-be widowed. The ratings would dwarf "American Idol," and the ad revenue alone would make the perfect down payment on the $700 billion.

Whatever it takes to clear our heads.

But don't stop with Wall Street, take the show to Washington, too.

718 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:13:30am

re: #708 jorline

Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?

'Cause he's a fucking jerk.

Next question?

719 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:13:36am

re: #677 realwest

Real, the deal in principle was working yesterday, the market reaction yesterday showed that.

Now WaMu has folded. I keep hearing from business connections that they can't get credit now.

It's a train wreck.

720 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:14:15am

re: #705 nyc redneck

Don't worry nyc, your local representatives are doing their small part to alleviate the situation.

721 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:14:24am

re: #718 MandyManners

I love the subtle nuance of your ideas.

722 opnion  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:14:46am

Later Lizards. Gotta go drive the highways of Middle America, where all the bitter , clingy types reside.

723 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:11am

re: #621 Beach Lover
Hey good morning {Beach Lover}! Well Rush's plan has some appealing aspects to it, but I'm afraid - as is usual with Rush - he hasn't done any sorta deep analysis here: Paulson's plan was FINE until the Dems started hanging all their pet projects on it, like ornaments on a Christmas tree.
And my objection to that isn't partisanship either - addng in the ban on shale oil, helping out Lenders (credit cards etc) whom we already protected in 2006 with the truly remarkable re-write of the Bankruptcy law, in fact DETRACTS SO much from Paulson's plan that I think the markets would crash and burn anyway - maybe take another couple of months - if that - but still crash and burn.

724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:23am

These people are putting politics above my family.

725 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:23am

re: #666 ratso

no

726 Karridine  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:39am

re: #705 nyc redneck

i woke up thinking abt. human greed and easy access to all that money laying around. Loans being given to people (who obviously couldn't pay them back) by people who got bonuses for giving the money. and no one around to lay down the law and say this is a short lived bad proposition long-term, BAD prostitution of your positions, your very SELVES.

/with all due respect, Redneck...

727 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:41am

re: #714 Typicalwhitey

Ok three things:

1. The dems could pass the package now, they have enough votes. But they will NOT because they want more Republican votes.

2. Reid has added a "no shale oil" thing to it. Which means the ban that will expire on Oct 1, will be back ON because he is adding this to the bailout plan.

3. Obama is flying out of Washington at 11. He is going to Mississippi. I do not think that McCain will go without a plan in place.

So does Obama look smart for going and getting 90 minutes to himself on prime time tv or does he look selfish and stupid for not staying and trying to fix this mess?

If it plays out this way, McCain should make a campaign add outlining all the chicanery of the Dems in trying to milk the bailout, naming names. Put it before the American people once and for all who is screwing them and who isn't.

728 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:01am

re: #686 taxfreekiller

The credit markets are not frozen, you can check the County Clerk filings nation wide, deals are closing at a good rate for this time of year as always.

Those are deals that were negotiated weeks ago.

729 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:14am
730 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:41am

DOW down only 71.76

731 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:44am

re: #705 nyc redneck

good morning everyone,
it's raining and dreary here. kind of suits my mood.
i woke up thinking abt. human greed and easy access to all that money laying around.
loans being given to people (who obviously couldn't pay them back) by people who got bonuses for giving the money. and no one around to lay down the law and say this is a short lived bad proposition.
because most of them were benefiting too.
it was an orgy of greed. very disgusting. but an almost inevitable result in a situation like this.
it's like all these people were gorging at a buffet expecting the waiters to just keep bringing the food forever.
now it's an empty filthy table. the party's over and we get to clean up the mess.

even if there is a 'bail out', if the system isn't changed it will grind to a halt in the future because socialism depresses the best people in any society. eventually they will get tired of doing all the work.


{nyc redneck} Mornin' sweetie...

732 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:45am

Who wants to make a be that the three upcoming debates are fixed.
Obama got the questions ahead of time.

I would bet my house on it.

733 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:50am

I don't understand why, given the marvels of modern technology, McCain can't debate from Washington with a camera hook-up? Do the rules say they both must be there? It would look really good: McCain doing his job, Obama campaigning.

734 outsidephilly  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:51am

re: #561 Ojoe

It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?

Well apparently so, that is what has gotten us into this mess.

Busting Commandment No. 1 if you ask me.

Well said!

735 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:00am

re: #719 3 wood

A train wreck? Have all the trains gone off the track or only a few cars? The deal struck yesterday stunk because it rewarded the scoundrels who created this mess. If a better deal is truck today or Saturday, will it be too late to stop a complete melt down?

736 jorline  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:02am

re: #718 MandyManners

'Cause he's a fucking jerk.

Next question?

Good morning, Mandy. Nothing like plain speak first thing in the morning.
I would love to see you head up this rescue project and good luck to anyone who stands in your way.

sic'm Mandy

737 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:07am

re: #700 3 wood

I'm happy to go along with Gingrich's proposal to change "mark to market", but I'm sure you understand that failing to flush bad ("non-performing") paper down the toilet means it stays on the books of the banks, crapping up a recovery for years.

738 ciaospirit  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:14am

re: #699 FrogMarch

Folks - the election is already over. The fix is in.

I wrote to Brunner and asked how they are going to stop ACORN and their fraudulent voters. No response.

Ohio accepts driver's license as ID. What about the illegals who have fraudulent driver's licenses?

739 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:19am

now it's 62.04

OK, I'm going to stop now....

LOL

740 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:30am

re: #723 realwest

Hey good morning {Beach Lover}! Well Rush's plan has some appealing aspects to it, but I'm afraid - as is usual with Rush - he hasn't done any sorta deep analysis here: Paulson's plan was FINE until the Dems started hanging all their pet projects on it, like ornaments on a Christmas tree.
And my objection to that isn't partisanship either - addng in the ban on shale oil, helping out Lenders (credit cards etc) whom we already protected in 2006 with the truly remarkable re-write of the Bankruptcy law, in fact DETRACTS SO much from Paulson's plan that I think the markets would crash and burn anyway - maybe take another couple of months - if that - but still crash and burn.


Hey real!
Those are the reasons why the House Republicans will NOT sign on to this deal.
Did you know that 20% of the profits will go to ACORN?

TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS.
DEPOSITS.Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2).
USE OF DEPOSITS.Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1)
65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and
35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569).
REMAINDER DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY.All amounts remaining after payments under paragraph (1) shall be paid into the General Fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt.

This is why McCain is there.
He is trying to stop this stupid shit and get a REAL bill.
He will deliver!

741 christheprofessor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:52am

re: #724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

These people are putting politics above my family.

So what else is new? They habitually put themselves and their families above the country and the rest of us and our families...

742 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:00am

re: #714 Typicalwhitey

Ok three things:

1. The dems could pass the package now, they have enough votes. But they will NOT because they want more Republican votes.

2. Reid has added a "no shale oil" thing to it. Which means the ban that will expire on Oct 1, will be back ON because he is adding this to the bailout plan.

3. Obama is flying out of Washington at 11. He is going to Mississippi. I do not think that McCain will go without a plan in place.

So does Obama look smart for going and getting 90 minutes to himself on prime time tv or does he look selfish and stupid for not staying and trying to fix this mess?

doesn't matter. The media will spin it to obama's advantage.

743 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:29am

re: #624 3 wood
Well

We also have to eliminate the "mark to market" GAAP requirement that forces banks to value these deals at the "fire sale" price. I would switch to net present value of the likely cash flows. The SEC could do that today witht he stroke of a pen, but Cox is too plain stupid to get that.

isn't going to happen because it's too easy and doesn't give the Dems the political - albeit Pyhrric victory they want.
But you're right about it.

744 uptight  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:37am

Listen up Lizardoids. I know many people here are critical of Obama and point to his lack of experience.

Well I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but BamBam played a full and active role in the efforts to float the bail out plan. He sat at the table with the proper politicians and played his part like the best of them.

Don't believe me? Well here's the proof.

745 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:51am

re: #708 jorline

Obama is a great fan of William Faulkner's. Plus, Oxford has several great Bar-B-Q joints and bars. ;-)

746 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:10am

re: #736 jorline

Good morning, Mandy. Nothing like plain speak first thing in the morning.
I would love to see you head up this rescue project and good luck to anyone who stands in your way.

sic'm Mandy

And may she bring a sh*tload of clue-bats!

747 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:20am
748 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:24am

re: #743 realwest

Hang on a second y'all. I have to go look up "Pyhrric" victory.

749 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:50am
750 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:58am

re: #744 uptight

Listen up Lizardoids. I know many people here are critical of Obama and point to his lack of experience.

Well I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but BamBam played a full and active role in the efforts to float the bail out plan. He sat at the table with the proper politicians and played his part like the best of them.

Don't believe me? Well here's the proof.

ROTFLMAO!

751 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:06am

re: #712 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I keep hearing they should just change the "accounting principles". What do you think?

They need to switch from 'mark to market" to net present value. Mark to market makes no sense with a 20 or 30 year loan and it forces you to undervalue the deal in a down market like this.

They also need to reinstall the "uptick rule" (not an accounting rule but an SEC rule).

And they need to either lift the short sale ban or close the loop holes in it. Right now, specialists and options traders can still short sell and that causes a rigged market.

752 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:19am

re: #713 ploome hineni

Avatar has been sent

753 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:28am

re: #744 uptight

Listen up Lizardoids. I know many people here are critical of Obama and point to his lack of experience.

Well I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but BamBam played a full and active role in the efforts to float the bail out plan. He sat at the table with the proper politicians and played his part like the best of them.

Don't believe me? Well here's the proof.

LOL LOL LOL

754 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:36am

bbl

755 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:43am

re: #735 Kenneth

Drop dead time will be Sat PM by 10 or so, if there isn't something good in place before the Asian markets open the money flowing out of the US market will bring everything to the ground.

756 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:52am

re: #730 loppyd

DOW down only 71.76


Lot of people thinking there must be a last minute deal in the air. MUST BE.

Good luck.

757 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:53am
758 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:58am

re: #738 ciaospirit

I wrote to Brunner and asked how they are going to stop ACORN and their fraudulent voters. No response.

Ohio accepts driver's license as ID. What about the illegals who have fraudulent driver's licenses?

from the article:

The most critical issue might be decided within the next few days. Secretary Brunner has unilaterally opened a one-week window, from September 30-October 6, for absentee voters to register and cast a ballot on the same day, with only the last four digits of th Social Security number needed to vote. No ID, no problem.

This method, of course, opens up the system to massive voter fraud. Not only that, but state law requires that voters be registered 30 days in advance of when they vote — a provision of the law that Brunner’s week-long window openly flaunts. The Ohio GOP filed a lawsuit with the Ohio Supreme Court earlier this month to put a stop to the practice.

Brunner is going to force, by fraud, an Obama win.
Get used to it. Once the ONE communist is in, the dems are going to create an army of Brunners.

759 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:59am

re: #744 uptight

LOL ROFLMAO! That's the best photo-shop in ages!

760 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:59am

Barney Frank is an idiot.
He keeps lying and saying there was a deal when THERE WAS NO DEAL.
Only did that to make McCain look foolish for going to Washington.

761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:21:05am

re: #748 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hang on a second y'all. I have to go look up "Pyhrric" victory.

Yes, of course. A Pyhrric Victory (rubs chin intelligently).

762 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:21:39am

re: #747 taxfreekiller

The BF is closing two loans today and has several in the pipeline.

He is nervous he will lose his job because people will think they can't get a loan.

763 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:22:09am
764 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:22:27am

re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, of course. A Pyhrric Victory (rubs chin intelligently).

I don't think we're looking at a Pyrrhic victory yet. More like the Romans at Cannae (long after Pyrrhus).

765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:22:51am

re: #749 ploome hineni

you are joking?

Ploome, good morning.

You people still don't understand that I am a mouth breathing idiot?

766 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:09am

re: #760 Typicalwhitey

Barney Frank is an idiot.
He keeps lying and saying there was a deal when THERE WAS NO DEAL.
Only did that to make McCain look foolish for going to Washington.

Another MA political hack.

I apologize on behalf of all sane people in MA for inflicting this boob on the country.

767 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:10am

re: #764 arethusa

I don't think we're looking at a Pyrrhic victory yet. More like the Romans at Cannae (long after Pyrrhus).

Oh shit. BRB!

768 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:14am
769 Peacekeeper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:43am

Gonna go do something, see you in a few hundred points.

770 Karridine  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:48am

re: #732 FrogMarch

Who wants to make a be that the three upcoming debates are fixed.
Obama got the questions ahead of time.

I would bet my house on it.

So, Froggie, McCain does it like THIS:

Moderator: Here's a softball question Senators, about what you think America should do about Wall Street?

Obama: Wall Street... yada-yada... blah-blah...

McCain: We really need to examine Mr Franks' and Mr Raines' contributions to ALL the economic problems facing us today, since they are Mr Obama's financial advisers at this time, even after milking personal payoffs from FNMA and helping to torpedo FRMC!

KLANG!

/and he continues to say WHATEVER HE WANTS to every question from the conniving 'moderator'... even if Obama got the questions ahead of time, McCain can re-define and steer the questions to HIS advantage! :D

771 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:51am

re: #662 rawmuseMelt down now means we gotta start over and tens of millions of Americans will suffer enormously; stave it off for a while and HOPE that Congress gets it's head out of it's ass and there's a chance we can save it all.
3 Wood is right; banks aren't lending money to anyone and businesses - ESPECIALLY small businesses NEED their lines of credit to pay employees while they wait for their invoices to be be paid.
Fuck the Dem's - they apparently either don't know or don't care what they are doing.

772 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:52am

re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, of course. A Pyhrric Victory (rubs chin intelligently).

Pyhrrus was a ancient general who, though often beating his enemy armies, invariable lost more of his own men & couldn't replace them. Hence a Pyhrric victory is one where you win now, but lose down the road. Winning a battle, but losing a war.

773 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:24:47am

A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is gorgeous redhead sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, but lacks the nerve to talk with her.

Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of it's socket toward the man. He reflexively reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and hands it back.

"Oh my, I am so sorry", the woman says as she pops her eye back into place.

"Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you", she says.

They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterward, they go to the theater followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest dreams and he shares his. She listens.

After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They have a wonderful, wonderful time.

The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! "You know", he said, "you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every guy you meet?"

"No", she replies....."You just happened to catch my eye".

774 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:13am

re: #772 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I knew that! (no i didn't)

775 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:18am

re: #666 ratso
NOPE, not yet - no gas in Charlotte or most of the Southwestern Piedmont of N.C.

776 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:27am
777 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:38am

If we don't get an agreement soon the economy will collapse sooner. If we get an agreement that enriches ACORN and others, and doesn't really fix the problems, it will collapse later.

778 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:05am

re: #744 uptight

GREAT!

779 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:07am

re: #765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ploome, good morning.

You people still don't understand that I am a mouth breathing idiot?

Yeah, we understand, but you're OUR mouth breathing idiot and Lizard blood is thick.

780 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:08am

Good morning all. Was anyone else having trouble logging in this Morning? I kept getting an error message saying that the site was unavailable.

781 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:52am

re: #773 eschew_obfuscation

Heh. Although the current crisis is more reminiscent of "I'll gladly repay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today."

782 ratso  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:54am

bummer bud, bummer re: #775 realwest

NOPE, not yet - no gas in Charlotte or most of the Southwestern Piedmont of N.C.

783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:09am

re: #779 Panhandler

Like I say about Virginia Tech football. "They're thugs, but they're OUR thugs!"

784 uptight  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:14am

re: #750 scottishbuzzsaw

ROTFLMAO!

It's nice that they let him sit with the grownups

785 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:19am

re: #780 Ford_Prefect

Good morning all. Was anyone else having trouble logging in this Morning? I kept getting an error message saying that the site was unavailable.

Rightymouse had the same problem, and I think one other lizard...both IE...

786 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:26am

re: #735 Kenneth

If a better deal is truck today or Saturday, will it be too late to stop a complete melt down?

I have absolutely no confidence now that a deal will be done.

Look at the business failures that have occurred already. How many more do we want?

Feast your eyes on this, those who think this is no big deal:

Central banks attempt money-market rescue

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Nervous commercial banks remain unwilling to lend money to each other, heightening tensions in crucial money markets and prompting the world's biggest central banks on Friday to pour additional funds into the financial system.
The Federal Reserve announced it had added $13 billion to currency swap lines with major central banks, making a total of $290 billion available for dollar loans to foreign commercial banks. The move marked the third time since last week the Fed has upped the amount of dollars available through overseas central banks.
The Fed, the European Central Bank, the Bank of England and the Swiss National Bank also announced joint efforts to pump dollars into money markets through one-week loans aimed at easing funding tensions through the end of the quarter.
"Central banks continue to work together closely and are prepared to take further steps as needed to address the ongoing pressures in funding markets," the central banks said.
Money-market tensions grew after congressional talks on the U.S. Treasury's proposed $700 billion bank rescue plan stalled Thursday.

787 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:48am

re: #772 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pyhrrus was a ancient general who, though often beating his enemy armies, invariable lost more of his own men & couldn't replace them. Hence a Pyhrric victory is one where you win now, but lose down the road. Winning a battle, but losing a war.

PyRRhus. Sorry. I teach this period of history. I can't help myself.

788 joncelli  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:14am

re: #783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, when they aren't being beaten by ECU (grumble brumble).

789 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:21am

well on the bright side....at least it may slow down all those credit card applications in the mail every day!

790 quickjustice  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:42am

re: #786 3 wood

It's very important to our economy that the money markets stay afloat.

791 n in wi  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:50am

re: #760 Typicalwhitey

All I hear Barney Frank talk about is getting that Waskely Wabbit

792 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:29:13am
793 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:29:19am

re: #686 taxfreekiller
Sorry TFK but you are quite simply wrong about that.
Banks aren't even lending to other banks at the overnight discount window - they are not funding (mostly small) businees lines of credit which are needed to meet - if nothing else - payroll.

794 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:29:19am

re: #788 joncelli

Well, when they aren't being beaten by ECU (grumble brumble).

Point taken. Of course USC had a forgettable night last night. Trojan players probably worried about their Graft investments.

795 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:06am

Now they can't even agree in Congress on when to meet today to start working on the deal again.

796 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:07am

re: #792 ploome hineni

I think LGF is under some sort of attack

I had to download firefox toget in

MSN aborted the link to LGF....could not do it

Same here - I had to switch to Firefox to log in. Same thing happened yesterday morning.

797 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:17am

re: #768 taxfreekiller

Barney Frank missed the idiot bus years ago.

The idiot bus hit him.

798 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:21am
799 Karridine  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #787 arethusa

I know whatchoo mean... I'm cursed with a proofreader's eye...


/which just noted the clock on the clubhouse wall... Mickey's right hand is on the NINE and his left hand covers his crotch, so it must be 2130 here in suburban Bangkok... time to fade into the sunset...

800 NC State of Mind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #776 ploome hineni

we are watching how deceit and determination can grab power

and delude a significant portion of population

watching the manipulation of the American people is very scary

and I am sure our enemies are taking note

The worst part about this whole mess is Putin and A-jad salivating and plotting how to take advantage when we are at our weakest.

801 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:04am

i was really impressed w/ some of the speakers yesterday evening at the rally.
the iranian woman was amazing.
she said there are thousands of political prisoners in iran who have been jailed and tortured for speaking out against the mullahs.
her father, a journalist, is one of them. she said people in iran want democracy and freedom but are held hostage by these monstrous dictators.
an iranian jewish man spoke of the hideous persecution of jews in moslem countries. and the escalation of this persecution to include christians. all soon to be non-existent people in islamic countries.
systematic annihilation.
he expressed shock that people just go abt. their daily lives ignoring this horror committed in the name of the rop.
a gathering storm.
the catholic priest was great too. he really slammed the misguided 'christians' who were hosting the "shit slinging monkey" dictator in such lavish style.
these people spoke out, so forcefully and honestly. no bogus nuance.
i loved it.

802 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:40am

re: #770 Karridine

McCain: We really need to examine Mr Franks' and Mr Raines' contributions to ALL the economic problems facing us today, since they are Mr Obama's financial advisers at this time, even after milking personal payoffs from FNMA and helping to torpedo FRMC!

KLANG!

Yes, Upding

803 3 wood  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:41am

re: #790 quickjustice

It's very important to our economy that the money markets stay afloat.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

We don't have time to screw around with issuing insurance plans from some mythical insurance company to the banks.

804 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:42am

re: #799 Karridine

How's the rest of the world doing Karridine? They watching this with concern?

805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:54am

re: #801 nyc redneck

i was really impressed w/ some of the speakers yesterday evening at the rally.
the iranian woman was amazing.
she
said there are thousands of political prisoners in iran who have been
jailed and tortured for speaking out against the mullahs.
her
father, a journalist, is one of them. she said people in iran want
democracy and freedom but are held hostage by these monstrous dictators.
an
iranian jewish man spoke of the hideous persecution of jews in moslem
countries. and the escalation of this persecution to include
christians. all soon to be non-existent people in islamic countries.
systematic annihilation.
he expressed shock that people just go abt. their daily lives ignoring this horror committed in the name of the rop.
a gathering storm.
the
catholic priest was great too. he really slammed the misguided
'christians' who were hosting the "shit slinging monkey" dictator in
such lavish style.
these people spoke out, so forcefully and honestly. no bogus nuance.
i loved it.

I would have loved to have seen that!

806 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:54am
807 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:32:42am

Be sure to vote. Even though your vote will mean nothing.

808 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:33:42am

re: #807 FrogMarch

Be sure to vote. Even though your vote will mean nothing.

I wasn't afraid to say!

809 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:34:08am
810 SecondComing  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:34:54am

Charles, I'm not sure that you'll see this but just thought I would throw it out there. I couldn't get into LGF this morning at work. I was using IE. Probably IE6 but I'm not sure. It gave me this message:

"Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] Operation aborted"

I thought my work blocked the site at first. Not being a computer whiz, I still don't know what's going on. Other than the site not supporting older versions of IE perhaps.

811 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:34:56am

re: #731 scottishbuzzsaw

{nyc redneck} Mornin' sweetie...

hey there {scottishbuzzsaw}
how are YOU this morning?
:)

812 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:35:20am

re: #708 jorline

Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?

He's afraid he'll forget his responses to the questions without the use of a teleprompter.

813 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:35:48am

re: #809 taxfreekiller

You do? Says the man with a Chicago Econ degree looking for a job.

814 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:35:50am

re: #792 ploome hineni

I think LGF is under some sort of attack

I had to download firefox toget in

MSN aborted the link to LGF....could not do it

That is what I just did. I was having all kinds of issues with explorer, though only on LGF from what I could see.

I got a new computer at work recently and explorer was on it so I just used that. I am actually glad to be back on Firefox anyway.

815 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:35am

re: #812 Honorary Yooper

He's afraid he'll forget his responses to the questions without the use of a teleprompter.

Obama will probably fly to Oxford, England - probably thinks he's getting an honorary degree or something.

817 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:46am

re: #811 nyc redneck

hey there {scottishbuzzsaw}
how are YOU this morning?
:)

Doing just fine despite the worries...thanks for sharing what happened at the rally...wish I could have been there...

818 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:46am

If the dems see this as a chance to pin a failure of a "plan" on McCain, then look for them to stall on working on it. Afterall..my first thought that they were anxious to work this out, didn't sit right with their normal MO.

819 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:37:14am
820 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:37:15am

re: #719 3 wood

Real, the deal in principle was working yesterday, the market reaction yesterday showed that.

Now WaMu has folded. I keep hearing from business connections that they can't get credit now.

It's a train wreck.

WaMu was sold to JP Morgan (Chase Bank) by the Feds. They reopened today as a part of Chase.

821 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:37:38am

re: #812 Honorary Yooper

He's afraid he'll forget his responses to the questions without the use of a teleprompter.

That is exactly what I thought! great minds.....

822 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:02am

re: #816 arethusa

Debate Commission says we'll know by noon about the debate, and it's illegal to hold it with one person.

But there will be two at the debate: Obama and his magnificent Ego.

823 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:03am
824 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:27am

I found this article interesting:

Status Quobama

snips:

Media caricatures make John McCain the tired, old candidate of standing pat and Barack Obama the agent of change. But it's becoming ever clearer that Obama is the typical politician.

Sen. McCain suspended his campaign because he thought his place as a U.S. senator was in Washington during a big financial crisis. The Republican presidential nominee also said he wouldn't be showing up for the first debate.
Call it a gimmick if you like, but you can bet Sen. Obama wishes he'd thought of it first. Instead, the Democratic nominee lamely retorted that the debate, set for Friday at the University of Mississippi and focusing on foreign policy, should not be delayed because "it makes sense for us to present ourselves before the American people" and "we've both got big planes." But that falls flat.

Looks to me like Obama screwed up again. Shocker, I know. ///

825 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:33am
826 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:49am

re: #819 ploome hineni

yes, only on Explorer

I wonder how many posting now are using explorer, and which version?

IE7, had no problems getting in about 50 minutes ago.

827 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:04am

re: #708 jorline

Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?

He has a new passport and the German trip worked out so well for him, he thought another prestige tour would be good so when an aid suggested Oxford he jumped at it. Probably ordered a bunch of shirts with fancy coloured collars.

828 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:07am

re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I would have loved to have seen that!

it was so inspiring. and encouraging.

829 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:17am

re: #819 ploome hineni

yes, only on Explorer

I wonder how many posting now are using explorer, and which version?

IE here...no problems...I think we just update to Vista...

830 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:57am

re: #824 Ford_Prefect

The naval aviator has got the community organizer inside his OODA Loop.

831 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:19am

re: #817 scottishbuzzsaw

Hey Scottish! I think of this when I see your avatar.

A little levity...

832 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:30am

re: #682 Kenneth

Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.

Interesting!

We have a local coffee here in Louisiana, that many many people swear by; Starbucks does not do as well here as in other places, but the local folks do really well. Many folks who move away have the coffee shipped to them. It might be hard for another company to make headway here.

833 Colonel Panik  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:31am

re: #766 loppyd

Another MA political hack.

I apologize on behalf of all sane people in MA for inflicting this boob on the country.

Barney Frank, J F'n K, Teddy Bloat, Deval Patrick...

You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.

834 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:43am

re: #719 3 wood
And again I say to you that the deal was working (maybe - we both know the market doesn't always react intelligently) BEFORE all the crap was added to it which would have, in many ways, reduced the amount estimated to be needed to keep the Street afloat. NOW I don't see a way out because we all know the Dems won't pass anything - no matter what the harm to the country in general, because ANYTHING GOOD FOR AMERICA while a Republican is in the WH, IS BAD FOR THE DEMS.
FUCK.

835 kawfytawk  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:49am

re: #825 ploome hineni

this way Obama can say that McCain forfieted one 'debate'

one less for Obama to do

you got that right. and "O" can call it a win (in his own mind of course)

836 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:28am

re: #816 arethusa

Debate Commission says we'll know by noon about the debate, and it's illegal to hold it with one person.

It would be an illegal contribution to the Obama campaign.

Zing.

837 arethusa  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:33am

Reid and Dodd are about to have a news conference. A good time for me to head off to work.

838 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:46am

CHARLES - if you're up and about, I've had something close to a dozen e-mails from LGFer's who can't get on LGF using either IE or Firefox.
Just a heads up!

839 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:50am

re: #690 pre-Boomer Marine brat

God willing and the creek don't rise, I'll buy one.
reine already has a recipe from me.
Thanks to both of you for doing this, ploome.

*blush*
Ploome is the instigator
Reine is the organizer
Lizards are the real contributors.

840 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:43:11am

re: #826 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IE7, had no problems getting in about 50 minutes ago.


IE& here, had no trouble, but been on quite a while. Now I'm scared to leave!

841 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:43:22am

re: #830 Kenneth

The naval aviator has got the community organizer inside his OODA Loop.

OK, I'll bite. What is an OODA loop?

842 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:01am

re: #833 Colonel Panik

Barney Frank, J F'n K, Teddy Bloat, Deval Patrick...

You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.

Bill Delahunt, Ed Markey, John Tierney, John Capuano.....

the list is too long

843 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:27am

re: #838 realwest

CHARLES - if you're up and about, I've had something close to a dozen e-mails from LGFer's who can't get on LGF using either IE or Firefox.
Just a heads up!

I had no problem once I loaded Firefox.

844 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:31am
845 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:50am
846 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:56am

Has anyone heard if the CBS show The Unit is going to come back for a new season?

847 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:01am

re: #820 Honorary Yooper

WaMu was sold to JP Morgan (Chase Bank) by the Feds. They reopened today as a part of Chase.

So the one-hundred and four (I am not making that up; that number is from their radio ads here) WaMu locations in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex will join the already too-many Chase bank locations? Looks like there will be an awful lot of empty banks with "FOR LEASE" signs up very soon.

Insanity.

848 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:10am

re: #831 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Scottish! I think of this when I see your avatar.

A little levity...

*swoon* Frankie!

849 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:28am

Why isn't Bush supporting McCain? McCain has to run against the Democratic Congress, Bush has to go public that the failure is do to more Democratic party corruption. If the cause of the problem is properly pinned on Frank and Dodd and Reid and Pelosi then maybe Hillary and a dozen others will switch sides. That could be what McCain's offer to Cuomo (who otherwise should be toxic) means.

850 Nevergiveup  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:47am

Welcome to chaos: Arab nations hit hard as world markets crash

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I guess there's a silver lining to this after all?

851 loppyd  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:49am

BBIAB - off to the bank.

Timely.

LOL

852 Panhandler  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:01am

re: #825 ploome hineni

this way Obama can say that McCain forfieted one 'debate'

one less for Obama to do

There's another way to turn the screw on Obama.

853 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:13am
854 Beach Lover  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:16am

whoops...meant IE7 (hit shift key by mistake) on #840
it is getting really sloooooooow posting, tho

855 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:24am

re: #839 reine.de.tout

*blush*
Ploome is the instigator
Reine is the organizer
Lizards are the real contributors.

I have been physically restraining pre-Boomer's SockPuppy from submitting his recipe for hamburger:

Place 1 lb. hamburger in bowl.
Add 2 lbs. hamburger.
Add 5 lbs. hamburger.

/you get the idea

856 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:47am

re: #801 nyc redneck

wish I could have been there.

857 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:00am

re: #849 lifeofthemind

Why isn't Bush supporting McCain? McCain has to run against the Democratic Congress, Bush has to go public that the failure is do to more Democratic party corruption. If the cause of the problem is properly pinned on Frank and Dodd and Reid and Pelosi then maybe Hillary and a dozen others will switch sides. That could be what McCain's offer to Cuomo (who otherwise should be toxic) means.

I think Bush is just tired of all the bullshit in DC, and is ready to leave.

858 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:10am
859 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:11am

re: #840 Beach Lover

scared to leave

me too

860 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:17am

ACORN insanity and corruption - all for the Democrats love of corruption.

lots of good links within ...

861 sidtara  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:23am

Reality check for Obama: presidential debates are political theater. The debate on capitol hill is political reality. You live in a fantasy world if you think 90 minutes on stage in academia is more important than doing the real-life work of an elected official.

862 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:24am

re: #844 ploome hineni

realwest knows everyone...but everyone

have we tapped him to do a mass email requesting RECIPES AND AVATARS?

/hint, hint?

I axed him.

863 NC State of Mind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:30am

re: #841 Ford_Prefect

Observe, Orient, Decide and Act, and then Repeat. It a combat operations decision flowchart/procedure thingy, to the best of my knowledge, anyway, :)

864 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:30am

re: #857 Ward Cleaver

I think Bush is just tired of all the bullshit in DC, and is ready to leave.

Tell the voters to go to hell, I'm going to Texas.

865 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:54am
866 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:56am

re: #849 lifeofthemind

Why isn't Bush supporting McCain? McCain has to run against the Democratic Congress, Bush has to go public that the failure is do to more Democratic party corruption. If the cause of the problem is properly pinned on Frank and Dodd and Reid and Pelosi then maybe Hillary and a dozen others will switch sides. That could be what McCain's offer to Cuomo (who otherwise should be toxic) means.

IF this deal fails, there will be plenty of time to blame the Dems.

Monday close of market will tell the tale.

867 realwest  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:02am

re: #747 taxfreekiller
Then why is it that my mortgage broker friends aren't at work today? They were called and told not to bother coming in. And who do you think is gonna make those mortgage loans? Who do you think has the CASH available for that?

868 rawmuse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:24am

This seems like a very well made video explaining the mess we are in.

869 Quintus_Arius  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:31am

Democrat plan+Republican plan. Half of each and we can call it 'hybrid'

That should fly. Everybody loves the 'h' word these days.

Oh and BTW, McCain didn't torpedo anything yesterday. Was mostly listening while BHO shot his mouth off.

870 Colonel Panik  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:35am

re: #682 Kenneth

Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.

We have so many Albertans, Manitobans and Saskatchewanians down here in the wintertime I should open up a Tim Horton's.

I predict with Palin Mania and Steven Harper in Canada that anyone owning a Tim Horton's franchise will make a million bucks even in a recession and the Northern will become a popular movie genre again.

871 nyc redneck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:38am

i wonder if the smelly code pinkers asked dinjac abt. the political prisoners being brutally tortured in iranian jails. or the women stoned and hanged because they were raped. or gays crushed w/ bull dozers.
maybe that was impolite conversation over tea and cookies.

these stupid women have no idea how lucky they are that they were shat into the world in america.

872 aussiemagpie  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:49:16am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Interesting news from Pakistan

Pakistan claims Al Qaida bosses among 1,000 terrorists killed in past month

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PAKISTAN says troops have killed 1000 Islamist militants in a huge offensive, a day after President Asif Ali Zardari lashed out at the US over a clash on the Afghan border.

Five top al-Qa’ida and Taliban commanders were among the dead in a month-long operation in Bajaur district, currently the most troubled of Pakistan's unstable tribal areas close to the porous frontier, a top official said.

In a further sign of the instability gripping Pakistan since the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad at the weekend, three suicide bombers blew themselves up in a shootout with police in Karachi.

Reporters were flown by helicopter to Khar, the main town in restive Bajaur, for a briefing on the military operation launched in August against Islamist militants who had taken control of most of the region.

“The overall toll is over 1000 militants,” said Tariq Khan, inspector general of the paramilitary Frontier Corps, adding that 27 soldiers had also been killed in the fighting.

What a mess that country is - thanks to the ROP

873 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:49:20am

I thought of something that could happen with this "bailout".
Congress fails to act, and some $audis and other Arabs decide they will help - for a price. Their investments are done under sharia, and they personally are only subject to sharia. Or they can just say if the government makes them do something they don't want to, they're going home with their money, and the market collapses.

Then the companies they invest in refuse to do business with Israel, but they're immune due to the condition of their investment. Israel supporters can't f