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Open | Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:23:23 pm PDT
I do benefits for all religions - I’d hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality.
— Bob Hope
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Open | Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:23:23 pm PDT
I do benefits for all religions - I’d hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality.
— Bob Hope
1184 comments
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:24:51pm |
I really hope that McCain gets a bill done TODAY
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:27:50pm |
An open thread, yet the suject of the previous thread weighs quite heavily on my mind.
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pat Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:28:33pm |
The present bill is a fucking disaster. Welfare for deadbeats and big companies. Let the collapse begin. And let Bill Clinton, the most economically challenged President since Carter, explain his legislation.
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:29:36pm |
I honestly think that a bill is in the works without all the pork such a Reid added.
I think there will be a bill done today and McCain will be triumphant at the debate.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:31:45pm |
Some other quotes attributed to Bob Hope:
I have to much money invested in sweaters.
... and particularly relevant to today's news:
A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it.
I love to go to Washington - if only to be near my money.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:32:12pm |
re: #4 pat
I heard audio of him trying to disown the current clusterfuck earlier this morning....and throwing BHO under the bus in the process. Truth be told, it was a hoot- although I'm not sure which part was more hootier.
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pat Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:34:06pm |
re: #9 Fenway_Nation
Doesn't take much for Bill Clinton to lie. Air and water mostly.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:36:05pm |
Thanks for the Bob Hope line, Charles, makes me feel better already.
We have always worked hard and done everything right and here we are with our damn AIG IRA and our WAMU checking and savings feeling like wicked stepchildren and getting the bailout. We've never gone for the refi's or anything, fixed rate, anything we have done. I feel like a welfare recipient.
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JeremiahRight Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:37:08pm |
Some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God, & over these ideals they dispute & cannot unite--but they all worship money. - Mark Twain
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saltmarsh Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:37:12pm |
Anybody ask Pelosi how that whole democrat congress thingy is working?
/but it's for the children.
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pat Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:38:25pm |
Who is dumber? Pelosi or Reid? I can not even find a commie who thinks these idiots have normal intelligence.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:41:07pm |
If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. - Sir Winston L.S. Churchill, June 1941
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JeremiahRight Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:43:06pm |
or if you prefer:
"It isn't the sum you get, it's how much you can buy with it, that's the important thing; and it's that that tells whether your wages are high in fact or only high in name." - Mark Twain
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Killian Bundy Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:44:08pm |
re: #14 pat
Who is dumber? Pelosi or Reid?
Boxer or Klobuchar.
/still not sure who'd win that contest
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rawmuse Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:08pm |
I know of lot of money people who are now for Obama. If the house falls, let it fall on him they say. And these are normally rational people I am talking about, men in high places. This is some scary shit.
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EIDE_Interface Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:44pm |
re: #20 rawmuse
I know of lot of money people who are now for Obama. If the house falls, let it fall on him they say. And these are normally rational people I am talking about, men in high places. This is some scary shit.
Don't pay attention to chicken littles.
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Oldasdirt Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:46:54pm |
Was digging around in my closet looking for my shotgun shells,and found and OLD pair of penny loafers.One still had a penny in it.Tomorrow i may be richer than some stock holders.
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Karridine Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:39pm |
Possible Catalyst/Solution to MANY PROBLEMS:
McCain calls a press conference, to "...announce the 73-Word Report."
Works on, aiming to get a financial relief bill for America; MSM broadcast cryptic "73-Word Report"...
Press conference time comes up, and McCain addresses the 'journalists' and videotapers and reporters:
"This Report has 73 Words total, including this introduction. We cannot pass this bill to rescue legitimate American financial institutions in trouble BECAUSE Mr Obama, Mr Raines and Mr Frank were instrumental in helping Democrats set up this problem, and are obstructing efforts now to deal with this problem. For full details, Mr and Mrs America, go to [Link: [Link: www.DoubleDealingDems.com...]...] and download your PDF. Any words missing and you know the news media have twisted this Report."
End of Press Conference
The PDF is downloaded by millions, and the MSM gets its damned grip on truth BROKEN.
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Wyatt Earp Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:43pm |
re: #23 Oldasdirt
Was digging around in my closet looking for my shotgun shells,and found and OLD pair of penny loafers.One still had a penny in it.Tomorrow i may be richer than some stock holders.
I'll give you $20 for those shoes!
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JeremiahRight Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:47:45pm |
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NY Grampa Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:48:06pm |
Hi all:
NY Nana is having a problem with this damn Dell/Hell computer. She loves to listen to a number of radio stations on the computer. Lately most of them will not play. When we right clicked on the player that opened but did not play, and clicked properties, they all say Windows Media Player. I therefore called Dell non-support as Media Player was installed by them. Dell support had me allow the technician to see our computer. After a bunch of fiddling for about 15 minutes he said that he knew what the problem was but as the computer was out of warrantee I would have to pay immediately to have him do the repair: $269 for 1 years service (4 calls), $69 for the one call, or $15 per month. I politely told him to shove it.
Does anyone have any idea how to correct this problem? I am not sure if this started when Windows Media Player 11 was installed. Do you think that we should un-install Media Player and then re-install?
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Egfrow Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:48:06pm |
It seems to me that we have had more concern and debate on the issue from congress on Global Warming than we have with this Bailout which is about zero.
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Wyatt Earp Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:49:29pm |
re: #27 JeremiahRight
go figure, Singapore canes people for dropping gum on the street, but they allow hookers at the racetrack?! Lowest crime rate on Earth so i guess you cant argue with that...
One of the most bizarre stories I have read in a long time. I wonder if some of the escorts come with restrictor plates?
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pat Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:50:07pm |
re: #28 NY Grampa
You make sure that she knows Pat says she should be in bed sleeping. lol
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Oldasdirt Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:51:28pm |
Im sure most have seen this,but just in case,,best movie line ever.
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NY Grampa Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:52:26pm |
re: #31 pat
NY Nana is waving at you from the couch! She says 'good-night'.
Now if we can just get her to get of the couch and go to bed!
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JeremiahRight Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:53:09pm |
re: #30 Wyatt Earp
One of the most bizarre stories I have read in a long time. I wonder if some of the escorts come with restrictor plates?
do you think they run on Kumho tires?
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Sharmuta Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:54:33pm |
re: #28 NY Grampa
Hi! Tell Nana good night from me too. And I don't see how it could hurt to uninstall and reinstall, though I'm no geek.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:54:34pm |
re: #28 NY Grampa
"I politely told him to shove it."
LOL I don't blame you. You know, does AOL ever help? I get a lot of help from my Earthlink. They even put the Firefox on for me.
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NY Grampa Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:56:12pm |
re: #35 Sharmuta
NY Nana just waved good-night to you on her way to get ready for bed.
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redc1c4 Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:56:54pm |
my mom asked me what i was giving up for Lent one year when i was a kid.....
i said "Being Catholic"
nothing wrong with being Catholic, it just wasn't for me.
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Wyatt Earp Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:17pm |
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NY Grampa Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:24pm |
re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin
I actually have gotten help from AOL, but since the have gone all offshore, closing their Canadian help center, they are getting very bad.
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Moe Katz Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:57:47pm |
Do Sikh kids get to wear the kirpan (ceremonial dagger) in any American school boards as they do in Canada?
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JeremiahRight Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:59:18pm |
re: #41 Wyatt Earp
thank you sir, and with that I bid you all a fond farewell, until Black Friday when we can do this all over again!
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Moe Katz Thu, Sep 25, 2008 11:59:24pm |
re: #42 NY Grampa
I actually have gotten help from AOL, but since the have gone all offshore, closing their Canadian help center, they are getting very bad.
I get good help from Bell Sympatico in Quebec by using the French line. If you select English you get India. The French help is here, and it's decent.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:00:21am |
re: #42 NY Grampa
I know what you mean. I got one guy from the Sacramento area on Earthlink, all the rest were out of country. One time it took about five hours to get me up and running. LOL I was a basket case.
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zombie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:00:59am |
This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.
I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:01:45am |
re: #47 zombie
This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.
I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.
You could also be lesbian...
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:02:01am |
Any inclinations for the debate being on or off tomorrow?
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zombie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:27am |
re: #43 Moe Katz
Do Sikh kids get to wear the kirpan (ceremonial dagger) in any American school boards as they do in Canada?
First off, I doubt there are any Sikhs on school boards in America.
Second of all: if there were, why wouldn't they be able to wear the ceremonial dagger? A school board meeting doesn't have a cockpit that can be highjacked.
Hell, in certain states, I wouldn't be surprised if people wore their guns to school board meetings.
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Cygnus Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:27am |
re: #47 zombie
This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.
I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.
You could be bi and be both jealous and lustful.
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Oldasdirt Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:03:58am |
re: #47 zombie
This woman is 44 years old and has had five kids? She has the body of a 25-year-old. A "healthy" 25-year-old.
I'm either jealous or lustful, depending on my gender.
She makes Nancy Pelosi look like she's had plastic surgery.
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zombie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:06:43am |
re: #53 Oldasdirt
She makes Nancy Pelosi look like she's had plastic surgery.
Nancy Pelosi is entirely held together by plastic surgery. She's had at least two operations, and probably plenty more.
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Max Darkside Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:07:04am |
re: #54 zombie
Or, I could be a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual! Like Bob Hope in the quote that started this thread, might as well keep all bases covered.
Hi Zombie!
Would a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual be a full 360 back to a fine lady again?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:08:32am |
Obama's response? Suppress it
The NRA's response?
New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama
/not going well for Obama and his legal letter writing team lawyers
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Oldasdirt Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:09:36am |
re: #55 zombie
Nancy Pelosi is entirely held together by plastic surgery. She's had at least two operations, and probably plenty more.
I know.Thats why she allways looks like she just turned around and saw Reagan's ghost.
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zombie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:09:50am |
re: #56 Max Darkside
Hi Zombie!
Would a bi lesbian who'd a post-op transsexual be a full 360 back to a fine lady again?
Humans who are bi will date "anything that walks"; but as a bi zombie, I date "anything that staggers."
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:12:10am |
Is Romero's recent remake of "Living Dead" worth bothering with?
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:15:11am |
My bad, it's not a remake that Romero did last year.
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zombie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:15:28am |
re: #57 Killian Bundy
Obama's response? Suppress it
The NRA's response?
New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama
/not going well for Obama and his legal letter writing team lawyers
Ooooh, I like that new ad. Very effective.
Gotta be honest, I never gave much thought to the NRA in my life, aside from the vague impression, back in my moonbat days, that they were "gun nuts." But in this election cycle, they're an ally I'll gladly have (especially in Ohio and Pennsylviania).
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Oldasdirt Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:15:35am |
Damn,I just woke up from this terrible nightmare that our banking system was about to collapse,and the demon-crates were trying to fix it.Man,am i glad I'm awake now.
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zombie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:17:05am |
re: #60 Moe Katz
Is Romero's recent remake of "Living Dead" worth bothering with?
Truthfully, I have little to no interest in "movie zombies." My name is a reference to actual Haitian voodoo reanimated corpses.
Folklore, not screen gore.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:17:10am |
re: #62 zombie
Ooooh, I likeI never gave much thought to the NRA in my life, aside from the vague impression, back in my moonbat days, that they were "gun nuts." But in this election cycle, they're an ally I'll gladly have (especially in Ohio and Pennsylviania).
Especially if they're not shooting at you.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:17:56am |
re: #65 zombie
Truthfully, I have little to no interest in "movie zombies." My name is a reference to actual Haitian voodoo reanimated corpses.
Folklore, not screen gore.
That sounds scarier than the movies.
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NY Grampa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:19:54am |
Well, good-night all. Thanks for the comments.
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:23:00am |
re: #68 NY Grampa
Good night and good luck with the media player.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:38:23am |
re: #70 EIDE_Interface
If you have a guilty concience for four hours or more, call your doctor. Do not take if you've had a history of heart problems or high blood pressure...
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Cygnus Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:38:24am |
No goodnight for me. I'm stuck on third shift this week. Happily, this is my Friday. Yay!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:39:11am |
Has anyone watched the video of Palin being protected from witchcraft over at Hot Air? How bad is it?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:40:48am |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Has anyone watched the video of Palin being protected from witchcraft over at Hot Air? How bad is it?
/don't you want to be protected from witchcraft?
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Cygnus Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:42:58am |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Has anyone watched the video of Palin being protected from witchcraft over at Hot Air? How bad is it?
Linky, please.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:43:46am |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:45:03am |
re: #76 Karridine
I want to be protected from Palin
Too late.
/and you don't even live in this country
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:45:54am |
re: #74 Killian Bundy
I think my Metlife policy covers witchcraft.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:46:48am |
re: #78 Cygnus
Video: Visiting pastor prays over Palin for protection from witchcraft
I'm still on dial up so I can't watch.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:47:45am |
re: #78 Cygnus
Linky, please.
/Sarah Palin Witch Hunting Pastor Returns to Wasilla, at least he doesn't eat 'em
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EIDE_Interface Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:47:51am |
Peggy Noonan criticizes Palin again
Frankly I'm sick and tired of these GOP has-beens trashing Palin.
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porkchop Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:48:56am |
Bob Hope....i miss the man. Even before he died. He just went off into his own world. He was so loveable and witty. I doubt there will ever be anyone like him.
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Karridine Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:51:29am |
re: #85 porkchop
There won't... he had a heart of gold, sparkling wit, gentle good humor and broad intelligence, all for the entertainment of fellow humans and support to the troops who put their lives in harm's way to protect America!
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:52:02am |
re: #81 Fenway_Nation
I think my Metlife policy covers witchcraft.
/you'd think Couric or Gibson would have asked her about it
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EIDE_Interface Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:53:18am |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 12:57:43am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
Video: Visiting pastor prays over Palin for protection from witchcraft
I'm still on dial up so I can't watch.
/lots of invocation of Jesus, it's all evangelical Christian, no dinosaurs
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EIDE_Interface Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:00:18am |
re: #90 Killian Bundy
/lots of invocation of Jesus, it's all evangelical Christian, no dinosaurs
He didn't say "god damn America", so no smoking gun there.
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Sylvester_T_Cat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:00:58am |
re: #50 zombie
Second of all: if there were, why wouldn't they be able to wear the ceremonial dagger? A school board meeting doesn't have a cockpit that can be highjacked.
I think Moe Katz in his #43 was asking about American "school boards" in the same sense that we in the US would say "school districts". (Not sure but it makes sense that way ;-).)
Apparently Canadian schools are forced by a court ruling to allow male Sikh students to carry ceremonial daggers to school with them, with the predictable problems now happening. Multiculturism is the gift that keeps on giving.
Moe, I doubt very much that any US school districts anywhere are real thrilled to have kids running around school with 13" kirwans. Some districts are so far into the "zero tolerance for weapons" bit that they've been known to suspend kindergartners for having water pistols, nailfiles, empty cartridge cases.... We're at the other end of the spectrum I guess.
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EIDE_Interface Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:02:17am |
re: #92 Sylvester_T_Cat
I think Moe Katz in his #43 was asking about American "school boards" in the same sense that we in the US would say "school districts". (Not sure but it makes sense that way ;-).)
Apparently Canadian schools are forced by a court ruling to allow male Sikh students to carry ceremonial daggers to school with them, with the predictable problems now happening. Multiculturism is the gift that keeps on giving.
Moe, I doubt very much that any US school districts anywhere are real thrilled to have kids running around school with 13" kirwans. Some districts are so far into the "zero tolerance for weapons" bit that they've been known to suspend kindergartners for having water pistols, nailfiles, empty cartridge cases.... We're at the other end of the spectrum I guess.
Paper clips can be awesome weapons...
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Doctor Bulldog Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:04:07am |
Some frickin' Orwellian Sh*t going on here in Missouri!
Working with local law enforcement, Team Obama has sent in a "Truth Squad" to "target" and prosecute ANYONE broadcasting anything Obama deems to be "untrue."
It's won't stop with Radio or T.V., oh no! Us bloggers are next on the chopping block!
Here's a link to my post on this:
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:04:16am |
re: #92 Sylvester_T_Cat
I think Moe Katz in his #43 was asking about American "school boards" in the same sense that we in the US would say "school districts". (Not sure but it makes sense that way ;-).)
Apparently Canadian schools are forced by a court ruling to allow male Sikh students to carry ceremonial daggers to school with them, with the predictable problems now happening. Multiculturism is the gift that keeps on giving.
Moe, I doubt very much that any US school districts anywhere are real thrilled to have kids running around school with 13" kirwans. Some districts are so far into the "zero tolerance for weapons" bit that they've been known to suspend kindergartners for having water pistols, nailfiles, empty cartridge cases.... We're at the other end of the spectrum I guess.
Syl, I phrased that badly. It may be 'districts' in Canada, too. I was basically wondering, yes, if the zero tolerance policies so common in the US would preclude the sort of thing we've seen in Canada. Thanks.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:06:12am |
In certain urban areas in Canada we now have, ummm, minority kids packing heat. I guess we'll end up with metal detectors, armed guards, and the whole catastrophe eventually.
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EIDE_Interface Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:07:11am |
re: #96 Moe Katz
In certain urban areas in Canada we now have, ummm, minority kids packing heat. I guess we'll end up with metal detectors, armed guards, and the whole catastrophe eventually.
The solution is to live as far away from them as possible.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:08:38am |
re: #97 EIDE_Interface
The solution is to live as far away from them as possible.
Yes, the exodus from Toronto to the farther suburbs is well under way.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:08:52am |
Well, not one green arrow to be found worldwide in the middle of our night. Dow futures down 190, expect that to at least double before the closing bell rings.
Who are these political assclowns that are costing you money day in and day out?
/weekends coming up, hope you can put gas in your car
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CapitalistTool Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:09:28am |
re: #55 zombie
Nancy Pelosi is entirely held together by plastic surgery. She's had at least two operations, and probably plenty more.
She should sue for malpractice.
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:11:24am |
re: #99 Killian Bundy
/weekends coming up, hope you can put gas in your car
/and get some cash in your pocket.
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HD Woman Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:15:17am |
Good morning nightshift!
Mark Levin tore Bill O'Reilly a new one![Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Can't we all just get along? LOL
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EIDE_Interface Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:15:59am |
re: #102 HD Woman
Good morning nightshift!
Mark Levin tore Bill O'Reilly a new one![Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Can't we all just get along? LOL
I already mentioned it in #88.....
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nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:19:25am |
No panic here, just a very clean, very pure desire to calmly get my arms COMPLETELY around what has happened to our Country's Financial markets over the last 13 days. I know that most of you think that this is an impossible goal given the complexity of the STREET, but right before us at this very moment emitting flat screen light and an ability to communicate with nano-second key strokes is this marvel of the 21st century! We can collect information to guide our decisions and our opinions... and most important (at least for the time being) we can share this information with each other.
For instance,
"QUESTION" (In the future, to save time I will just say Q?)
Q? What seems to be the most obvious vector for the current state of this Country's financial system. Was it a specific event within the stock-market , if so, what was the trigger to this event? Was it a series of triggers and if so what movement by individual firms or statements by individuals within each firm triggered a specific series of events?
See, with these lap-tops and PC's WE have the ability to de-construct a goodly amount of time-line to where we find ourselves at this moment. And we NEED to before this next election. I have some hunches as to what this all means, but in all honesty, it sounds like a couple of chapters from a Clancy novel. This is serious shit, I refuse to launch into the stratosphere on something so life changing to the nation as a whole. I have truly enjoyed this site Mr. Johnson and the fine lizards that people it. Thanks for allowing me to post here even after the 3rd glass. But folks, we have work to do and damn little time to do it in.
I sense a great danger close to America, but I am not afraid.
I am respectfully,
The Night watch
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HD Woman Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:26:11am |
re: #25 Karridine
That link doesn't work for me. Is it still active?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:29:22am |
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:32:15am |
re: #94 Doctor Bulldog
Some frickin' Orwellian Sh*t going on here in Missouri!
Working with local law enforcement, Team Obama has sent in a "Truth Squad" to "target" and prosecute ANYONE broadcasting anything Obama deems to be "untrue."
It's won't stop with Radio or T.V., oh no! Us bloggers are next on the chopping block!
Here's a link to my post on this:
That is downright frightening! Whatever happened to Freedom of the Press? Does that not apply in Missouri?
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:34:57am |
Good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizard Nation!
Before I dive into the threads below, I got to tell you that the reporting of yesterday's derailment of the bail-out plan was reported in such a way by the BBC that I sent them a complaint.
Here it is:
"In BBC Breakfast this morning, and again in a photo on your World News page about the U.S.A. bail-out plans, you report and show in striking preference photos of the candidate of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama.
The candidate of the Republican Party, John McCain, only gets a brief mention and is not shown.
This is blatantly one-sided reporting, especially since it was the Democratic Party which has for years hindered President Bush from dealing with this issue.
Even more unfair is that there is no mention that John McCain's proposed legislation two years ago was derailed by the Democrat Congress.
I am not an American citizen and live here in the UK - but if I can find out these things, then your journalists in the USA should be able to.
After all - this was reported on FOX News in the USA yesterday, not to mention in various blogs. I do assume that your reporters are familiar with using the internet!
Blatant one-sided reporting is not what one usually associates with the BBC - I am stunned that this is going on to such an extent that a candidate for the election of President of the USA, namely John McCain, might as well not exis as far as the BBC is concerned..
Shame on your reporters, editors and producers!"
Fuming in Wales...
(No, I didn't sign off with that, but it describes my condition!)
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:38:31am |
re: #110 yma o hyd
What's the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scottish crofter?
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:41:11am |
Jagger goes, "Hey, you, get offa my cloud" and the Scottish crofter goes, "Hey, McLeod, get offa my ewe."
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:46:15am |
re: #110 yma o hyd
Good morning :) As far as the BBC goes, they and all too many "news organizations" - properly read propaganda organs - are firmly convinced that no election is necessary and that Barrak Hussein Obama is already POTUS. And they are even rigging the polls.
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:46:41am |
re: #113 Moe Katz
I'm positive you killed that thread with that one, Moe.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:48:05am |
re: #114 galloping granny
Complete with the 'Stupid Americans' lamentation should the 0ne lose on Nov. 4th.
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Ledger1 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:49:00am |
re: #25 Karridine
It appears that McCain was temporarily out maneuvered by the dems.
[The Belmont Club quotes Politico]
It was McCain who had urged Bush to call the White House meeting but Democrats made sure Obama had a prominent part. And much as they complained later of being blindsided, the whole event turned out to be something of an ambush on their part—aimed at McCain and House Republicans. “Speaking professionally,” said one Republican aide, “They did a very good job.” When Bush yielded early to Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) to speak, they yielded to Obama to speak for the assembled Democrats. And it was Obama who raised the subject of the conservative alternative and pressed Paulson on what he thought of the idea. House Republicans felt trapped—squeezed by Treasury, House Democrats and a bipartisan coalition in the Senate. And while McCain spoke surprisingly little after asking for the meeting, he conceded that it appeared there were not the votes for the core Paulson plan without major changes.
[The Belmont Club quotes ABC]
Paulson walked into the room where Democrats were caucusing after today’s meeting at the White House and pleaded with them, “Please don’t blow this up.” Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chair of the House Financial Services Committee was livid saying, “Don’t say that to us after all we’ve been through!” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “We’re not the ones trying to blow this up
[Wretchard notes the bottom line is extortion by the dems]
Who you gonna call? Who you gonna believe? Bailout anyone? A crisis creates an incredible opportunity to play partisan politics. ‘Want me out of the way? Buy me off.’
I suspect we are seeing a well planned financial ambush by the dems. They want to scorch the country financially to win the election.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:53:17am |
Well since we're all going to die anyway, I'm installing XPSP3, because Window update gas been bugging me for over a month now.
What do I care?
/can't be worse than Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi managing my investments
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:56:37am |
Windows is creating a "system restore point".
/nothing good can come of that
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:59:11am |
re: #116 Fenway_Nation
Complete with the 'Stupid Americans' lamentation should the 0ne lose on Nov. 4th.
You know, I am damned sick of that "stupid Americans" meme. We are smart enough to feed half the world. Smart enough to land man on the moon. Smart enough that every major cure for every disease and virtually all modern drugs have come from our shores. Smart enough to put a telephone in every hand and a TV in every living room as well as a car in every garage. Smart enough to put a computer on every desk top and in the hands of every school child. Smart enough to invent modern production methods. Smart enough to build the Panama Canal. Smart enough to cure polio on dimes collected by housewives and pennies collected by children. Smart enough to fund the rebuilding of the entire economy of Europe after World War II.
When Europe manages to accomplish anything other than periodic universal destruction by way of internecine warfare then they might have something to talk to us "Stupid Americans" about. In the meantime, they should shut the hell up and start footing the bill for their own defense.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 1:59:48am |
Is fruitcup an investment that can appreciate in value? What if we have a fruitcup-heavy portfolio?
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:01am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:15am |
It's taking minutes, installing lots of files.
/hopefully, I'll be back after it's done
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:30am |
re: #118 Killian Bundy
Well since we're all going to die anyway, I'm installing XPSP3, because Window update gas been bugging me for over a month now.
What do I care?
/can't be worse than Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi managing my investments
You are a brave man. I have heard bad things about SP3.
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Mel Lono Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:33am |
Just dropped in for fruitcake cup. Can't sleep with the fate of the modern financial world on the brink of collapse.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:00:53am |
re: #122 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!
Did you make coffee too, or do I have to bring my own?
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:01:01am |
re: #121 Fenway_Nation
Is fruitcup an investment that can appreciate in value? What if we have a fruitcup-heavy portfolio?
Fenway! :-)
APPLESAUCE FUTURES!
/can't be any worse than what we've got now...
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:01:36am |
re: #125 Mel Lono
Just dropped in for fruit
cakecup. Can't sleep with the fate of the modern financial world on the brink of collapse.
Unless you have zillions riding on it you might as well sleep now. After all, it is us "Stupid Americans" who have to foot the bill.
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:04:18am |
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:04:27am |
re: #127 littleoldlady
/can't be any worse than what we've got now...
Worse than hard-earned taxpayer money going to ACORN?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:04:36am |
re: #124 galloping granny
You are a brave man. I have heard bad things about SP3.
It's "finishing installation".
/taking way too long
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:05:30am |
re: #122 littleoldlady
Opps- I misdinged I was so excited for fruitcup!
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:05:46am |
granny! :-)
Okay, okay. I'll share my coffee.
/the "every man for himself" philosophy didn't work out too well...
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:06:35am |
re: #131 Killian Bundy
It's "finishing installation".
/taking way too long
This is Microsoft you are talking about.
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Temujin Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:00am |
re: #122 littleoldlady
Thank you, LoL. Delicious, as always.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:21am |
Okay, it's done.
/hopefully see you after a reboot
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:50am |
re: #133 littleoldlady
granny! :-)
Okay, okay. I'll share my coffee.
/the "every man for himself" philosophy didn't work out too well...
Thanks much little. I am cranky this morning. Got informed last night that I have to drive 200 miles or so this morning and sit around and wait for about 4 hours. I am not enthused to say the very least.
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Mel Lono Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:07:58am |
re: #128 galloping granny
Sorry, sarc/ button was off. Who called me a "stupid American" by the way?
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:08:21am |
Sharmuta! :-)
Isn't it nice that Charles invented correctable dings? ;-)
Mel! :-)
Killian! :-)
Nightwatch! :-)
LGF! :-)
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:08:36am |
O.K,
I love fruit-cup, but why never no Ambrosia? (even with the spell-check, it still don't look right) maybe thats why...
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:09:02am |
re: #139 littleoldlady
No- I didn't ding the wrong way- I dinged the wrong post.
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:09:08am |
re: #137 galloping granny
At least you don't live in Atlanta
/where you wouldn't be able to get the gas to get home...
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:10:44am |
re: #138 Mel Lono
Sorry, sarc/ button was off. Who called me a "stupid American" by the way?
See #116 and #120
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:11:03am |
re: #142 littleoldlady
Serious, Ike put that hard a hit on supplies?
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:12:56am |
re: #142 littleoldlady
At least you don't live in Atlanta
/where you wouldn't be able to get the gas to get home...
This is very true. I hear Tennessee is no better. Plenty of gas here in New Enland and the price has been steadily dropping for a month or so now. Not even a blip for the hurricanes. Though I think that may have something to do with President Bush's order wiping out all of the individual state designer gas requirements. (About time that happened. Too bad it is temporary.)
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:15am |
re: #145 Nightwatch
There was (still is?) an inexplicable lack of gas in certain Southern states, as well as a seemingly random spike in prices in some areas.
Ike? Maybe. I dunno.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:21am |
RoP continues its peaceful inner struggle....
German police seize terror suspects on KLM flight
-- German police commandos grabbed two terrorist suspects from an Amsterdam-bound flight early Friday before the plane took off from Cologne, police said.
A 23-year-old Somali man and a 24-year-old German born in Somalia were arrested before the KLM flight left the airport, North Rhine-Westphalia state police said.....
Germany's top-selling Bild newspaper, citing police sources, said the two had been under observation for months and a suicide note was found in their apartment saying that they wanted to die for the "jihad" or "holy war."
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:40am |
re: #145 Nightwatch
Serious, Ike put that hard a hit on supplies?
No - rumours and a run on the tank put that hard a hit on supplies.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:13:43am |
re: #115 littleoldlady
I'm positive you killed that thread with that one, Moe.
I was hoping to revive it, actually, with a McCain-like stroke of the unexpected.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:14:43am |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:16:04am |
re: #136 Killian Bundy
Okay, it's done.
/hopefully see you after a reboot
Back.
/seems pretty hairless
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:16:32am |
re: #147 littleoldlady
Gotta wonder, here on the left coast we have two MAJOR refineries north and south of my home, yet we still pay some of the highest $$ pr gal.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:17:08am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:17:10am |
[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]
Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:18:13am |
re: #154 Nightwatch
Gotta wonder, here on the left coast we have two MAJOR refineries north and south of my home, yet we still pay some of the highest $$ pr gal.
That is because over there on the left coast, ordinary gasoline like most people use just won't do. You have designer gasoline with special requirements.
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:18:48am |
re: #150 Moe Katz
I was hoping to revive it, actually, with a McCain-like stroke of the unexpected.
Note to the drama queens in Washington:
I'm getting way too old for all of these "unexpecteds".
/Cardiologist Conspiracy!
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:19:34am |
re: #156 Sharmuta
[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]
Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.
Does it take into account the huge jump in mandatory deductions that are not labeled "taxes" that some of Obama's plans like universal health care would entail? Or will those just be slipped in under the radar like that mandatory Medicare tax was some years back?
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:19:45am |
re: #149 galloping granny
did you mean run on the BANK?:}
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akak Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:20:44am |
the frustration
installation problems with SP3, and Ad Aware has the nasty problem of freezing 2/3 of the way thru a scan.
Plus I have to do both on 4 computers.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:21:03am |
re: #158 littleoldlady
Note to the drama queens in Washington:
I'm getting way too old for all of these "unexpecteds".
/Cardiologist Conspiracy!
Stocks in drug companies making anxiolytics and antidepressants are probably not following the general market trend at the moment.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:21:19am |
re: #156 Sharmuta
[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]
Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.
/post something we don't already know or couldn't readily guess, if we weren't all on anti-psychotic drugs
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axegrinder Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:22:15am |
re: #146 galloping granny
Plenty of gas here in Houston. Of course, that might be because our economy was basically on hold for two weeks waiting to get power back. Don't use much gas if you don't have a job with power to go to.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:22:21am |
re: #160 Nightwatch
did you mean run on the BANK?:}
No, I meant run on the tank. A scenario that some of us remember very well from the 70's. Rumours get started about running out of gas because of this or that, so people drag every car they own down and fill it up to the brim, resulting in huge lines and a complete emptying of the storage tanks at the gas station. Leaving no gas to sell until supplies are renewed - and each of those underground tanks can hold an entire gas tanker's worth of gas.
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:24:14am |
re: #157 galloping granny
I very much hope that GW puts a ball point pen through the heart of that one(I hear the distant swearing of BABS from the cliffs of her Malibu XANDU) sarc/very on
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:24:57am |
re: #161 akak
the frustration
installation problems with SP3, and Ad Aware has the nasty problem of freezing 2/3 of the way thru a scan.
Plus I have to do both on 4 computers.
I am not going to install SP3. If you are having problems with AdAware then I would consider the possibility of a worm/trojan/virus that does not want to leave. I got the first infection I have had in a couple of decades a couple of weeks back - Virtumundo, came in on an IWin game that is supposed to be "safe" - and the thing took me 6+ programs and three days to clean out.
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axegrinder Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:26:13am |
re: #165 galloping granny
We had that on the Wednesday and Thursday before Ike hit. I'm guilty. I was in line for 35 minutes with the truck and almost an hour with the car. Had to put premium in the car because that was all they had left. Lots of folks getting gas for their generators as well.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:26:30am |
re: #166 Nightwatch
I very much hope that GW puts a ball point pen through the heart of that one(I hear the distant swearing of BABS from the cliffs of her Malibu XANDU) sarc/very on
He did right before the hurricanes struck. Unfortunately, the ban is only temporary. Yeah, California costs the rest of us quite some little bit of money because ya'll are so doggoned "special" out there with your "special" cars and "special" gas. BABS should jump off the cliff.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:27:55am |
re: #156 Sharmuta
[Link: www.electiontaxes.com...]
Now we can all see what the bottom line of an 0bama Presidency would be.
/because that's wahtc ame up under IE7/XPSP3
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:28:23am |
re: #168 axegrinder
We had that on the Wednesday and Thursday before Ike hit. I'm guilty. I was in line for 35 minutes with the truck and almost an hour with the car. Had to put premium in the car because that was all they had left. Lots of folks getting gas for their generators as well.
Makes a very good argument for "Be Prepared." Gas, flashlights, batteries and food can be darned hard to find in an emergency.
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akak Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:29:08am |
re: #167 galloping granny
I am not going to install SP3. If you are having problems with AdAware then I would consider the possibility of a worm/trojan/virus that does not want to leave. I got the first infection I have had in a couple of decades a couple of weeks back - Virtumundo, came in on an IWin game that is supposed to be "safe" - and the thing took me 6+ programs and three days to clean out.
I have Norton, McAfee & AVG running on 4 computers (not each) 2 networks and no viruses are showing up.
I think it's a common problem after looking at their support forum?
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:29:48am |
re: #165 galloping granny
Let me tell ya about getting up at OH-DARK-30 to gas up my Dad's and my MOM's car on the EVEN days during the peanut farmer's pathetic reign.
Then being in the military and watching DAY 233+++ of the Iranian hostage crisis(many TV sets in the BEQ were destroyed by flying beer cans!) Being in the military during his stint as CIC.............sucked!
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:35:30am |
re: #172 akak
I have Norton, McAfee & AVG running on 4 computers (not each) 2 networks and no viruses are showing up.
I think it's a common problem after looking at their support forum?
Antiviruses only pick up viruses for starters. Worms/trojans are not viruses and most antivirus program will not detect them. I had an antivirus running on this machine when I got infected. Comodo. Replaced that.
Norton and McAfee are not worth the discs that you buy them on. AVG is now bloatware that takes a huge amount of RAM to run and slows down the internet greatly by prescanning every page you look at. Antiviruses are generally only as good as their definitions are up to date, so in many cases your update from an hour or two ago might very well miss some new iteration of something. I prefer an antivirus that has an heuristic function - operates on the principle that if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, it is a duck until proven otherwise.
I replaced AVG with Comodo when AVG went to 8.0 and I could barely load a page. When I got Virtumundo, I went looking for a more reliable antivirus, one that did not take a gig of space and an entire 512 MB of RAM just to operate. I ended up with ESET - tiny footprint, has everything you need then some. Still on the 30 day trial but I will likely buy this one.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:36:59am |
Dow futures down 150.
need to nap for three hours
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Mel Lono Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:37:02am |
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:38:19am |
re: #173 Nightwatch
Let me tell ya about getting up at OH-DARK-30 to gas up my Dad's and my MOM's car on the EVEN days during the peanut farmer's pathetic reign.
Then being in the military and watching DAY 233+++ of the Iranian hostage crisis(many TV sets in the BEQ were destroyed by flying beer cans!) Being in the military during his stint as CIC.............sucked!
I remember the days all too well. The unemployment lines that went round the block, the $2 limit on gas purchases that were barely enough for some folks to move the car from one line to the next (luckily we had one of the first 250 Pintos sold in this country and $2 would fill the tank, which was then good for about 450 miles). Not pretty.
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:38:53am |
re: #174 galloping granny
I have been led to understand that a simple router(?) is all the protection we really need and so much cheaper(OOPPS!) wrong word around Mr. Bill's clan....%)
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:41:34am |
re: #178 Nightwatch
I have been led to understand that a simple router(?) is all the protection we really need and so much cheaper(OOPPS!) wrong word around Mr. Bill's clan....%)
NO, no no no no! I have a router. Two actually. One to interface with the internet and another to provide a wireless LAN. That does nothing for your email or stuff embedded in pages you visit or things you download. You NEED an antivirus. And a software firewall.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:42:26am |
Pretty happy with Kaspersky anti-virus. I make the bootable cd-rom from it and use it to scan the hard drive if I'm in any doubt---the trojans can't load if you're booting from another drive. Kaspersky doesn't load the system down too badly and it learns from experience so as to consume fewer resources when checking something repeatedly.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:46:04am |
By the way, this system is SP3 and runs just fine. SP3 is basically just a roll-up of a lot of individual security fixes, AFAIK. It's still basically SP2.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:48:47am |
re: #180 Moe Katz
Pretty happy with Kaspersky anti-virus. I make the bootable cd-rom from it and use it to scan the hard drive if I'm in any doubt---the trojans can't load if you're booting from another drive. Kaspersky doesn't load the system down too badly and it learns from experience so as to consume fewer resources when checking something repeatedly.
Virtumundo copies itself onto the other drives. (So it will also be in that special segregated compartment where your XP backup files are.) And writes itself into the registry. It loads - period. And it is hell in a handcart to get rid of. Of course it is a trojan, not a virus.
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:49:21am |
re: #177 galloping granny
Gotta tell you, just 3 doors down with spider webs anchoring the frame to the driveway and a root-beer brown paint job just so GONE from the left coast sunlight,(did I mention 4 flat tires, yet an IMMACULATE body) is none-other than a frozen in time FORD PINTO! Kinda alittle freaky that the son of the owner who died what...6 years ago just leaves it there yet has gardeners keeping up the look of the place yet he doesn't live there.
Just comes by about once a month to check the mail-box and never a hello or nothing.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:54:39am |
Wow. If you folks haven't read this, do - well worth a read.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:54:56am |
re: #179 galloping granny
Not to worry, Knights along the ramparts armed with heavy pull crosbows and claymores for the real nasties.
Gotta tell ya though, Mainframe Tech talk on an open thread is kinda like "Loose Lips...
watch yer six.."}
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:58:20am |
re: #112 littleoldlady
yma o hyd! :-)
Top of the morning to you, littleoldlady!
At least the sun is shining ...
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 2:59:15am |
re: #183 Nightwatch
Gotta tell you, just 3 doors down with spider webs anchoring the frame to the driveway and a root-beer brown paint job just so GONE from the left coast sunlight,(did I mention 4 flat tires, yet an IMMACULATE body) is none-other than a frozen in time FORD PINTO! Kinda alittle freaky that the son of the owner who died what...6 years ago just leaves it there yet has gardeners keeping up the look of the place yet he doesn't live there.
Just comes by about once a month to check the mail-box and never a hello or nothing.
How strange. Our particular Pinto was made in Germany and had a Porsche engine. I don't remember what German Ford was calling the model, but we had rented one for a summer tour with my parents while we were there. Dad worked for Ford at the time and when US Ford decided to give Pinto a whirl over here we got one of the first few they brought over as a trial balloon. Boy that was one heck of a car.
All the guys in their big honkers would pull up to my little roller skate at the light and rev up that great big V8 engine - and I would leave them in the dust. The looks I would get were priceless.
/Yes, yes, Granny has a lead foot. Someday I will be old and rich and drive a little red Vette. :)
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:00:50am |
re: #185 Nightwatch
Not to worry, Knights along the ramparts armed with heavy pull crosbows and claymores for the real nasties.
Gotta tell ya though, Mainframe Tech talk on an open thread is kinda like "Loose Lips...
watch yer six.."}
Ye gods - I haven't heard anyone mention a mainframe in lo these many years. I did quite like the VAX. And the internet was so much more fun when you printed out Yahoo on green & white striped paper and had to wade through reams of the stuff to find the link you wanted. :)
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:01:17am |
re: #113 Moe Katz
Huh - didn't know the Scots were also targets of sheep-shagging jokes ...
Its usually the Welsh who are subjects of such jokes - and we do not take kindly to that!
Leeks at dawn, matey!
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:03:53am |
re: #182 galloping granny
Virtumundo copies itself onto the other drives. (So it will also be in that special segregated compartment where your XP backup files are.) And writes itself into the registry. It loads - period. And it is hell in a handcart to get rid of. Of course it is a trojan, not a virus.
Give Kaspersky a try, they have a one-month free trial, and it's a top-rated program. Very light on system resources.... Trojan Horses are a subclass of viruses, and extremely hard to get rid of, I agree.
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Moe Katz Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:05:08am |
re: #189 yma o hyd
Huh - didn't know the Scots were also targets of sheep-shagging jokes ...
Its usually the Welsh who are subjects of such jokes - and we do not take kindly to that!Leeks at dawn, matey!
That joke has a sort of provenance: Rod Stewart is said to have found it extremely funny and to have gone telling it to everyone he knew.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:08:33am |
re: #190 Moe Katz
Give Kaspersky a try, they have a one-month free trial, and it's a top-rated program. Very light on system resources.... Trojan Horses are a subclass of viruses, and extremely hard to get rid of, I agree.
I'll take a look at it at any rate.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:08:47am |
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:11:36am |
{galloping granny }
Things are good! I'm having a great year at school. I can't remember--has your granddaughter read Avi's Nothing But the Truth? We're doing the play version in November.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:13:43am |
re: #189 yma o hyd
Huh - didn't know the Scots were also targets of sheep-shagging jokes ...
Its usually the Welsh who are subjects of such jokes - and we do not take kindly to that!Leeks at dawn, matey!
Scots don't take kindly either...especially before they've finished their first cups of coffee...
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Mel Lono Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:14:19am |
re: #184 galloping granny
Interesting read. Thought about forwarding it to my Jewish Dem friends, but I think they'd still miss the point.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:15:17am |
re: #195 goddessoftheclassroom
{galloping granny }
Things are good! I'm having a great year at school. I can't remember--has your granddaughter read Avi's Nothing But the Truth? We're doing the play version in November.
No, she hasn't. I've had one or two from Avi for free reading for her, but they weren't quite her cup of tea. This year we are doing science fiction. Currently Jurassic Park, looking at the science behind "bringing back the dinosaurs."
She is very enthusiastic this year too.
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:15:33am |
re: #191 Moe Katz
That joke has a sort of provenance: Rod Stewart is said to have found it extremely funny and to have gone telling it to everyone he knew.
Thing is, while jokes told amongst a tribe can be screamingly funny, they can become quite hurtful when told by 'outsiders' who, moreover, belong to a tibe which is eprceived as supressors.
Thus, these sheep jokes are severely frowned upon in Wales because they're usually told by the English and used as a means to denigrate and belittle Walians, especially as there are more sheep in Wales than humans ...
What the Scots do amongst themselves - huh, the poor things carry a heavy burden, what with long hours of darkness and Nessie ... we forgive our Celtic Brethren!
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:17:28am |
re: #197 Mel Lono
Interesting read. Thought about forwarding it to my Jewish Dem friends, but I think they'd still miss the point.
It is exceedingly strange to me how soon so many in the Jewish community have forgotten. I used to be completely unable to comprehend how virtually the entire Jewish community of Europe could fail to see Hitler's grand plans and how that would apply to them, how they could keep passing things off for so long. More recently just how that inability happened has become quite clear.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:11am |
re: #199 yma o hyd
What the Scots do amongst themselves - huh, the poor things carry a heavy burden, what with long hours of darkness and Nessie ... we forgive our Celtic Brethren!
Et tu, Brute?
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:16am |
re: #196 scottishbuzzsaw
Scots don't take kindly either...especially before they've finished their first cups of coffee...
See - its the non-Celts who are the culprits!
How are you today? Sun shining already?
Its a glorious Autumn morning here again.
Miss Dog found a wonderful, brand new tennis ball in the park today. It is black and yellow, like yin and yang! She loves it!
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Salamantis Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:31am |
German Police Seize Suspects on Plane
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Excerpt:
BERLIN — German police boarded a Dutch airliner Friday at Cologne-Bonn airport and seized two suspected terrorists who had been under surveillance for several months, police told German news organizations.
A special unit of German officers arrested the two men at 6:55 a.m. local time and, in a related operation, found apparent suicide notes at their apartment, a police spokesman was quoted as saying. The men were not identified by name but were said to be a 23-year-old Somali and a 24-year-old German of Somali descent.
Michaela Heyer, a police spokeswoman, said that, contrary to initial reports, the airplane was not stormed by police. “The arrest was entirely unspectacular,” she said. There was “no indication” that either man was carrying explosives or weapons.
The police boarded the plane shortly before it was to take off and took the two men into custody. They were “suspected of wishing to participate in jihad and possible attacks,” she said. She declined to give further details because the investigation was continuing.
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:18:50am |
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:19:00am |
re: #187 galloping granny
In high school, one of my casual friends who also happened to be a long-haired, madman about hot-rods FREAK! He used his daddy's welding torch to implant a COBRA 427 into a cobalt blue Pinto with some Frankenstein esk M-22 rear-end and a special order B&M shifter.
When he dumped the clutch in front of school this beast would spin 360s like a pit-bull on crack! Totaled it in the parking lot of the Foster's Freeze less than a month after bringing that monster to life.(He walked away from it ) Took out 5 or 6 parked cars and his dad got stuck with the bill.
That was the last hybrid he ever got to build.:)
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:20:25am |
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:20:31am |
re: #198 galloping granny
No, she hasn't. I've had one or two from Avi for free reading for her, but they weren't quite her cup of tea. This year we are doing science fiction. Currently Jurassic Park, looking at the science behind "bringing back the dinosaurs."
She is very enthusiastic this year too.
This one is a "documentary novel"--the story is told via memos, letters, radio reports, and newspaper articles. It's a great way for kids to see how bias and spin can affect what people see as truth.
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:20:56am |
re: #205 Nightwatch
In high school, one of my casual friends who also happened to be a long-haired, madman about hot-rods FREAK! He used his daddy's welding torch to implant a COBRA 427 into a cobalt blue Pinto with some Frankenstein esk M-22 rear-end and a special order B&M shifter.
When he dumped the clutch in front of school this beast would spin 360s like a pit-bull on crack! Totaled it in the parking lot of the Foster's Freeze less than a month after bringing that monster to life.(He walked away from it ) Took out 5 or 6 parked cars and his dad got stuck with the bill.That was the last hybrid he ever got to build.:)
ROFLMAO! I was a little better to mine. Though I did know a guy that needed roller skates on the rear bumper of his.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:21:37am |
re: #202 yma o hyd
See - its the non-Celts who are the culprits!
How are you today? Sun shining already?
Its a glorious Autumn morning here again.
Miss Dog found a wonderful, brand new tennis ball in the park today. It is black and yellow, like yin and yang! She loves it!
Sun hasn't risen yet...still o'dark thirty...not sure I'm speaking to you...but I'm very glad Miss Dog is happy with her new ball...;>)
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:21:51am |
re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom
This one is a "documentary novel"--the story is told via memos, letters, radio reports, and newspaper articles. It's a great way for kids to see how bias and spin can affect what people see as truth.
I'll take a peek at it then. We're doing introductory logic/reasoning this year.
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:23:07am |
re: #200 galloping granny
It is exceedingly strange to me how soon so many in the Jewish community have forgotten. I used to be completely unable to comprehend how virtually the entire Jewish community of Europe could fail to see Hitler's grand plans and how that would apply to them, how they could keep passing things off for so long. More recently just how that inability happened has become quite clear.
Yes - and the even more troubling aspect of this is that some of them did see it, did warn, but were totally disregarded.
He was one of them ...
I think its to do with an unwillingness to read or listen to those who do not share the same perceived political outlook - left-leaning in Germany, conservative in the USA.
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:25:14am |
re: #201 scottishbuzzsaw
Et tu, Brute?
Its just a bit of fun between Celts (Irish included) - having a laugh amongst ourselves!
Non-Celts don't understand and need to be told off when they try to butt in!
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loflyer Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:26:39am |
Arrrr, morning mates! Bob Hope was a classy guy, unlike Jane Fonda, Hope always supported the troops. God bless him!
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Nightwatch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:26:41am |
Thank you all for the exchanges, it's been fun.
I must head to sleep, the eyes dodroop])
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galloping granny Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:26:41am |
Gotta go folks. Have to be out the door in 5 minutes and I am still in PJ's. Have a great day.
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:27:55am |
re: #209 scottishbuzzsaw
Sun hasn't risen yet...still o'dark thirty...not sure I'm speaking to you...but I'm very glad Miss Dog is happy with her new ball...;>)
Yep - at least she's now showing more interest in playing!
That heart medication seems to have made her put on weight, horrors, and thus she's slowed down a lot.
Vet told me to chivvy her on - so I've put her on a diet and am kicking butt, figuratively speaking: seems to work ...
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yma o hyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:31:01am |
BBL - quick trip to the shops for some neccessities, and then another lovely romp in the park with Miss Dog.
Wish I could send you our beautiful autumn weather - not a cloud in the sky!
We're all making the most of it, storms predicted for next week ...
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:31:39am |
re: #217 yma o hyd
BBL - quick trip to the shops for some neccessities, and then another lovely romp in the park with Miss Dog.
Wish I could send you our beautiful autumn weather - not a cloud in the sky!
We're all making the most of it, storms predicted for next week ...
Enjoy!
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uptight Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:35:18am |
What would be the worst thing you could wish on that bastard Omar Bakri Mohammed, leader of Al Muhajiroun?
Drowning beer?
Choking on pork rinds?
Son converting to Judaism?
Daughter becoming a stripper?
It's all fun and schadenfreude until someone cops an honour killing.
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loflyer Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:41:18am |
re: #220 uptight
What would be the worst thing you could wish on that bastard Omar Bakri Mohammed, leader of Al Muhajiroun?
Drowning beer?
Choking on pork rinds?
Son converting to Judaism?
Daughter becoming a stripper?It's all fun and schadenfreude until someone cops an honour killing.
Arrr, the buxom lass is living life on the edge! Hope she doesn't end up in the obits any time soon!
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goddessoftheclassroom Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:48:09am |
Have a great day, Lizards!
In addition to the Prayer List, I'm praying that our leaders will be guided by wisdom, not selfishness.
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uptight Fri, Sep 26, 2008 3:54:10am |
re: #220 uptight
What would be the worst thing you could wish on that bastard Omar Bakri Mohammed, leader of Al Muhajiroun?
Drowning beer?
Choking on pork rinds?
Son converting to Judaism?
Daughter becoming a stripper?It's all fun and schadenfreude until someone cops an honour killing.
Actually - considering Paul McCartney just defied the DEATH THREAT made against him by Omar Bakri Mohammed, it hasn't exactly been a good day for the Islamofascist!
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loflyer Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:01:25am |
re: #223 uptight
Actually - considering Paul McCartney just defied the DEATH THREAT made against him by Omar Bakri Mohammed, it hasn't exactly been a good day for the Islamofascist!
Yaaar, good for Paul! Band on the run!
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RTLM Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:01:25am |
Dutch Government: Fitna cause for Netherlands as "Preferred Target" of Islamic terrorists.
Cologne, Germany - German police commandos boarded a plane at Cologne airport just before it took off for Amsterdam and arrested two terrorist suspects Friday morning, police said.
A 23-year-old Somali man and a 24-year-old German man born in Somalia were arrested before the KLM flight left the airport, a spokeswoman for North Rhine-Westphalia state police said.
Police spokeswoman Katharina Breuer told The Associated Press that officers boarded the plane at 6:55 a.m. (0455 GMT) and arrested the men without incident. She said authorities do not suspect the men planned to abduct the flight.
Germany's top-selling Bild newspaper, citing police sources, said the two had been under observation for months and a suicide note was found in their apartment saying that they wanted to die for the "jihad" or "holy war."
Earlier this month, the Dutch government's anti-terror chief warned that the country remains one of the top targets for Islamic terrorist groups because of publicity surrounding a lawmaker's anti-Islam film.
The National Coordinator for Combating Terrorism said in a report the film "Fitna" by lawmaker Geert Wilders has made the country a "preferred target."
What a stupid statement.
Call it what it is: An averted suicide plane hijacking.
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loflyer Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:03:32am |
Haar, BBL mates, time for breakfast but I have the day off, so I will return after I finished breakfast and a staff meeting. Yo Ho!
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ArmyWife Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:05:46am |
re: #47 zombie
It simply isn't fair, is it? I looked like a tank after I had both my girls. I lost it fairly quickly with the first one (but not as quickly as Sarah!) - I still have a bit of pregnancy weight to lose from the second one. She is now 10.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:05:47am |
re: #226 loflyer
Haar, BBL mates, time for breakfast but I have the day off, so I will return after I finished breakfast and a staff meeting. Yo Ho!
Is it still "Talk like a Pirate Day?!"
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ArmyWife Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:07:14am |
Off to work to see how this is affecting our Business Leaders. I predict a stressful day of creating "what if" scenarios....
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joncelli Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:07:52am |
Wet, dark day in the Philly suburbs to go along with today's bad news. I think McCain's gamble got ambushed by the Democrats and now he's got to debate Obambi from a position of weakness. This is only going to make things worse in the polls, too. 39 days until election day, one debate tonight and 4 more to go. I'm not feeling good about this.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:08:02am |
re: #228 scottishbuzzsaw
Is it still "Talk like a Pirate Day?!"
Nope, lo just got caught in a Yaaar loop. It will self repeat until his brain reboots.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:09:38am |
re: #231 Panhandler
Nope, lo just got caught in a Yaaar loop. It will self repeat until his brain reboots.
Mornin' Panhandler...how are you today?
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:11:09am |
re: #232 scottishbuzzsaw
Mornin' Panhandler...how are you today?
Just fine maam. The BSA ran like a clock yesterday and I still have money in the bank. Yourself?
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:11:28am |
Good Morning, Lizard nation.
"Deal or no deal?" Our intrepid leaders are still at it.
Barney Frank & Dodd trying to fix the problem? Like bank robbers installing the new security system.
Schumer said that he thinks that "Over the years, Freddie & Fannie have done a fantastic job!" Honest, he said that.
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:13:02am |
re: #200 galloping granny
It is exceedingly strange to me how soon so many in the Jewish community have forgotten. I used to be completely unable to comprehend how virtually the entire Jewish community of Europe could fail to see Hitler's grand plans and how that would apply to them, how they could keep passing things off for so long. More recently just how that inability happened has become quite clear.
Before we get too smug here, can anyone remember a couple of salient details that prevented the Jews from getting out of harms way, i.e. most of them didn't have the money to leave, and even if they did, where exactly would they have gone, since most countries - including the United States - would not let them in.
Not to worry, though. You would be surprised how many people in the survivor community have a bag packed, cash (or gold) on hand, passports ready, and dual citizenship - just in case.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:14:22am |
re: #233 Panhandler
Just fine maam. The BSA ran like a clock yesterday and I still have money in the bank. Yourself?
Glad you enjoyed your ride...I'm doing well, thank you, but still absorbing the news from yesterday...this roller coaster of an election cycle has me a bit disoriented...otherwise, it's Friday, and that's always a good thing.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:20:19am |
re: #236 scottishbuzzsaw
There is a good chance that things will be hammered out today. The longer the wait, the worse the heartburn. The thinking threads I've been on all night generally reach the conclusion that the Paulson/Dem bailout will not go forth. They say look more for a McCain loan setup with the profits from same going back into the Treasury, and no ACORN gimmie like Reid/Pelosi tried to stick in. Also say goodbye to the student loan/carloan boondoggle and Reid's Oil shale ban.
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mama winger Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:27:56am |
Good morning LGF friends.
I have to get ready for work this morning, but I wanted to drop in for a minute and tell you to watch for an alternative deal on this bail-out thingy.
Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin) is a fantastic fiscal conservative who is working with others like him for an alternative that makes sense. He is ranking minority member on the Finance and Banking Committee. (that may not be the actual official name - I can't recall) He is against this original bailout plan.
Some people ask - who can I trust in Washington ? I trust Paul Ryan. He is a good man, a good representative, a strong conservative family man and a Christian. He even has called me at home when I have had questions or concerns. He was wonderful to me when Little Winger was deployed the first time.
I trust him and if he comes out with a plan I would take a good look at it.
Take a deep breath and have a good day.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:28:25am |
FNC has a panel of pundits on right now.
Mark Green of "Air America" said that McCain has no busines coming back to DC because he has missed so many votes during the campaign.
Ed Cox, a McCain state chair, said that the senator is putting country first.
Kirsten Powers, rolled her eyes & said, "Oh please"
Where to begin?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:30:19am |
Not worried. Does anybody have an extra fingernail I can chew?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:32:10am |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not worried. Does anybody have an extra fingernail I can chew?
My dog's nails are in need of a trim...will that do?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:32:46am |
re: #242 scottishbuzzsaw
Let me think on that. G'morning!
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:32:49am |
re: #19 Wyatt Earp
This stuff writes itself, don't it?
The owner’s name is Prince Wong? Hmm, I figured it would be King Wang.
LOL. Here I thought it was gonna be about the Presidential race.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:33:49am |
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:34:54am |
Cross-posted from an earlier thread:
ACORN is an organized criminal enterprise designed to steal elections through organized fraud. Obama, who is an alumnus of the organization, wants to grow it into a communist "advocacy" group for poor people, supported by taxpayer dollars. In fact, he likely will use ACORN as the foundation for his "community service" mandates for our young people.
Can everyone spell "communist indoctrination" through youth organizations? That's how appalling this proposal is, and the GOP already has set a horrible precedent by agreeing to earlier government payments to ACORN.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:38:07am |
re: #240 opnion
FNC has a panel of pundits on right now.
Mark Green of "Air America" said that McCain has no busines coming back to DC because he has missed so many votes during the campaign.
Ed Cox, a McCain state chair, said that the senator is putting country first.
Kirsten Powers, rolled her eyes & said, "Oh please"
Where to begin?
Let me see if I got this right, McCain and Obama campaign and miss votes. FM &FM go belly up, causing a freeze in any kind of credit availability and McCain says he's heading back to get an oar in. Reid says we don't want you here. Obama says that he doesn't see where he can be of any help so he's gong to continue to get ready for the debate but "If you need me, call me." 4 hours later Bush tells Obama "Get your ass back here, you're the titular head of the Democratic Party" They all meet with Bush. McCain defers to Graham since he's been doing all the spadework. Pelosi/Reid pass to Obama who proceeds to turn the meeting into a shouting match. There is some sort of nuance I seem to be missing.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:40:22am |
Good interview on FNC with Bill Sammon.
He is saying that the Dems ran to the mics sceaming "We have a deal"
prematurely, only to set up McCain to take the fall.
McCain arrives & volla! No deal.
There never was one ,but now the Dems are saying that the deal that never existed fell apart becuse of McCain.
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littleoldlady Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:41:44am |
re: #247 Panhandler
SOMEBODY forgot to ask the conservative Republicans in the House what they thought.
/think Sleeping Beauty and an uninvited witch.
//there's your nuance...
They could have ignored them, taken a vote and won. HOWEVER, if the whole thing was a bust then Republicans could blame Democrats. They need some kind of consensus.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:42:16am |
re: #247 Panhandler
Let me see if I got this right, McCain and Obama campaign and miss votes. FM &FM go belly up, causing a freeze in any kind of credit availability and McCain says he's heading back to get an oar in. Reid says we don't want you here. Obama says that he doesn't see where he can be of any help so he's gong to continue to get ready for the debate but "If you need me, call me." 4 hours later Bush tells Obama "Get your ass back here, you're the titular head of the Democratic Party" They all meet with Bush. McCain defers to Graham since he's been doing all the spadework. Pelosi/Reid pass to Obama who proceeds to turn the meeting into a shouting match. There is some sort of nuance I seem to be missing.
I think that you summed it up quite nicely.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:42:55am |
re: #248 opnion
Thanks for bringing that up opnion, I knew I'd left something out of my time line in my screed in #247.
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:43:57am |
re: #240 opnion
The alphabets, the op eds and the front pages all seem to have received the same talking points - I'm guessing from Soros, since he's got the bandwidth - and are in categorical agreement that McCain is the monkeywrench in the deal, that McCain is being a drama queen, that McCain is afraid to debate, and that 0 the Golden Child is showing real presidential leadership with his venal lust for and single minded obsession with power. Haven't we learned from cop dramas that when all the suspects have the identical story, something's up?
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yesandno Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:45:20am |
A=Actual
C=Communist
O=Organization
R=Right
N=Now
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:50:33am |
re: #252 Pullus Iulius
Put them in seperate sealed rooms for a couple of days and then start asking questions. Use the old trick of "So and So down the hall said you pulled the trigger, this is your only chance to get your side of the story out and save yourself" The "It wasn't me, they set me up!" stories will make for great ad fodder regardless of what the Dems/MSM try to cook up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:52:59am |
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Thoughtcrime Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:53:20am |
Here is another winner for you....
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:56:52am |
"Obviously ACORN is working on behalf of Barack Obama."
They just said BHO was their chief attorney.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:57:28am |
re: #258 Thoughtcrime
Big time winner there. The general populace will look at this and think " What the heck are they trying to cover up?" The concensus will be that while there might an untruth in the mix, what about the truths?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:58:23am |
I think in the next month this is gonna be the dirtiest and most despicable election campaign in history. I just hope our side is up to it and has the people and principals ( or lack there of ) to get down and dirty.
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stevieray Fri, Sep 26, 2008 4:58:47am |
Gotta run to work, but one quick thought before I go...
The earmark for ACORN is actually great news. The more people know about them, the less people like them. By all means, put them in the news!
I hope Barack is asked about them, and he decides to get clever and claim "attorney-client" privilege... that would be the best thing EVAH!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:01:01am |
re: #262 Nevergiveup
Well, in all fairness...the country (literally) was under the bus already when the Democrats started this "win at any cost" campaign, (I mean a bus is on the ground). It's just 330 million people they're tossing under it now that bothers me.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:02:18am |
Jeiwsh "Rabbi?" meets with the new Hitler:
Our world views are rather different. But unless we... dialogue face to face, how will we create any kind of understanding?" Gottlieb said, adding that she chose to attend because "peace is better than war."
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
"peace is better than war."---Hum, wonder what the souls of Bergen Belsen think of that? What did peace exactly do for them?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:03:03am |
re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, in all fairness...the country (literally) was under the bus already when the Democrats started this "win at any cost" campaign, (I mean a bus is on the ground). It's just 330 million people they're tossing under it now that bothers me.
Well that's what I mean. Time to take off the gloves.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:04:29am |
IAEA chief: Syrian nuke probe figure killed
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Talk about burying the evidence?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:05:58am |
I guess this is what happens when you start seeing patients at 6:00 AM and then take a break. All alone this AM it seems. Well more donuts for me.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:08:02am |
re: #251 Panhandler
Thanks for bringing that up opnion, I knew I'd left something out of my time line in my screed in #247.
Your welcome my friend.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:08:12am |
re: #269 Nevergiveup
I guess this is what happens when you start seeing patients at 6:00 AM and then take a break. All alone this AM it seems. Well more donuts for me.
Put the box of donuts on the table and back slowly away from them....... ;p
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:08:39am |
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:09:03am |
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:10:55am |
re: #252 Pullus Iulius
The alphabets, the op eds and the front pages all seem to have received the same talking points - I'm guessing from Soros, since he's got the bandwidth - and are in categorical agreement that McCain is the monkeywrench in the deal, that McCain is being a drama queen, that McCain is afraid to debate, and that 0 the Golden Child is showing real presidential leadership with his venal lust for and single minded obsession with power. Haven't we learned from cop dramas that when all the suspects have the identical story, something's up?
I think that you nailed it. The MSM is doing everything to supply the predicate to elect the 'One"
Oh & how about theirony of Dodd acting indignated?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:10:58am |
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:12:08am |
re: #269 Nevergiveup
I guess this is what happens when you start seeing patients at 6:00 AM and then take a break. All alone this AM it seems. Well more donuts for me.
All part of the price you pay to ensure urine samples aren't polluted by coffe/orange juice/ biscuits and garvy and DONUTS. You deserve a cruller, you earned it, now enjoy it, you patients are enjoying theirs.
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Crux Australis Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:12:26am |
Can someone in the United States tell me when Daylight Savings comes to an end there?
What do you call an Aussie Lizard?
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:14:07am |
re: #276 Panhandler
Garvy? As in Steve? Now I need a doughnut.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:14:12am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:15:45am |
re: #277 Crux Australis
Can someone in the United States tell me when Daylight Savings comes to an end there?
What do you call an Aussie Lizard?
November 2nd friend.
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:17:06am |
re: #274 opnion
To be indignant, one must first have dignity. Thus, Dodd is excluded.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:17:18am |
re: #277 Crux Australis
Can someone in the United States tell me when Daylight Savings comes to an end there?
What do you call an Aussie Lizard?
A Lizard, All be it an upside down Lizard, but a Lizard none the less... ;)
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:19:00am |
About time for the AM shift to clock in, if they didn't miss their wake up call.
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Crux Australis Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:19:08am |
If I was to ask Americans which country in the world was most like the US. Would it be Australia? Canada? someone else?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:19:50am |
re: #286 Crux Australis
If I was to ask Americans which country in the world was most like the US. Would it be Australia? Canada? someone else?
New Jersey?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:20:16am |
Did someone mention donuts?
(opens box of Krispy Kremes) Help yourself.
Dorian, want some coffee?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:21:41am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:23:38am |
re: #288 scottishbuzzsaw
I love donuts. Boston Cremes (Krispy Kremes), Cruellers (Dunkin' Donuts).
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:23:52am |
re: #288 scottishbuzzsaw
Did someone mention donuts?
(opens box of Krispy Kremes) Help yourself.
Dorian, want some coffee?
Me? coffee? But of course..... /kisses scottishbuzzsaw hand.....
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:25:09am |
morning lizards, this is becomming a "good" habit and I do have a Krispy Kreeme next to my coffe. Little Baileys in the coffe to lighten the darkness. yummmmm
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:26:12am |
re: #292 ratso
morning lizards, this is becomming a "good" habit and I do have a Krispy Kreeme next to my coffe. Little Baileys in the coffe to lighten the darkness. yummmmm
Thou shalt share thy Baileys or be smitten with a plague of angry Lizards......... ;p
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:26:27am |
re: #287 Nevergiveup
Haveing visited extensively in both, I'd glady say Australia, except for the gun laws and that doofus driving on the left rule.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:27:19am |
re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I love donuts. Boston Cremes (Krispy Kremes), Cruellers (Dunkin' Donuts).
I'm a native of NH...my SIL is in MA...transplanted to MO during the Patriots/Rams battle...made a bet with SIL that the Rams would win...the prize, a dozen DDs from her, or a dozen KKs from me...I lost and had to overnight the donuts...cost about 10 times more than the donuts themselves...last bet I ever made.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:27:41am |
re: #294 doriangrey
Thou shalt share thy Baileys or be smitten with a plague of angry Lizards......... ;p
You tell em dorian - That way my Drambue is safe.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:28:00am |
re: #295 Panhandler
Haveing visited extensively in both, I'd glady say Australia, except for the gun laws and that doofus driving on the left rule.
What? Australia has a rule requiring doofus to drive on the left? Well at least you can spot the doofus coming that way.... ;P
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:30:01am |
Good Morning folks.
Prepare for the market to implode today.
I can't believe I am watching this happen before my eyes.
Yesterday we had a bail out deal that seemed to be all but done and the market was rebounding nicely on the basis of that.
Then comes the afternoon meeting at the White House and a train wreck.
This idea by the House Republicans of offering insurance for the mortgages will not work. It is way too late for that. It's like giving a band aid to someone having a heart attack. These banks need these loans off their books now, today. Not insurance, not incentives. There is no time for that to work.
The credit markets are frozen right now, today, and businesses can not get short term financing for their business needs like financing their accounts receivable and inventories. We are damaging our economy billions of dollars a day with this frozen credit.
I look for the DOW to drop below 10,000
I anticipate more banks, and I mean a lot more to go belly up cause of this screwing around in Congress.
If you have a 401K, you just lost another 20% of your savings at least.
I can not find the words to communicate how stunned I am to see this happen.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:30:46am |
re: #297 Panhandler
You tell em dorian - That way my Drambue is safe.
People who panhandle can afford Drambue? I guess that government 700 billion dollar bailout must have passed while we were all asleep.... ;P
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:31:30am |
re: #294 doriangrey
Thou shalt share thy Baileys or be smitten with a plague of angry Lizards......... ;p
Would you pass it along when you're done, darlin'?
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:31:32am |
re: #301 rawmuse
Dang, I am up early. O-dark thirty...
Hey............No Obama jokes this early in the morning..... ;P Moring rawmuse.... ;)
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:31:54am |
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:09am |
re: #302 3 wood
Yeah, I saw a couple of bankers checking in to a high rise hotel. The clerk asked them "sleeping or jumping?".
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:21am |
Hi 3, looks bad huh? I moved a bunch of stuff from C to GVT yesterday, think it was a good idea.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:36am |
re: #301 rawmuse
Raw! From where is your nic quote? Freaking love it!
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:33:48am |
re: #298 doriangrey
When I'm doing a motordycle tour of any of the British Empire enverons, I put a piece of yellow tape on my right glove. As long as the glove and the yellow line coincide I feel fairly safe. Big panic is traffic pulling out from the right, they're no longer the problem, now it's the left.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:34:16am |
Mornin' Wood. Got an extra fingernail? I'm going to have to move to my toes. But they are really hard to get into my mouth!
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:34:33am |
re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I stole it from Mark Steyn. How are you this morning? Getting some badly needed rain on the East Coast, I hear.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:35:09am |
re: #302 3 wood
My thought in this is that the house gop guys are just pushing against the democratic side to make them push the bailout throught, against 55% of the american population. They have the votes to do it but when they do they will get blackeyes.
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NC State of Mind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:35:23am |
re: #302 3 wood
re: #248 opnion
I share your concern. I just noticed it's about one hour until the bell. #248 above had an interesting perspective from Bill Sammon
Good interview on FNC with Bill Sammon.
He is saying that the Dems ran to the mics sceaming "We have a deal"
prematurely, only to set up McCain to take the fall.
McCain arrives & volla! No deal.
There never was one ,but now the Dems are saying that the deal that never existed fell apart becuse of McCain.
It's no wonder we can't ever have good decisions made in Washington when >50% of brainpower is spent trying to develop a plan that is politically expedient with no regard to solving actual problems.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:35:43am |
re: #302 3 wood
Good Morning folks.
Prepare for the market to implode today.
I can't believe I am watching this happen before my eyes.
Yesterday we had a bail out deal that seemed to be all but done and the market was rebounding nicely on the basis of that.
Then comes the afternoon meeting at the White House and a train wreck.
This idea by the House Republicans of offering insurance for the mortgages will not work. It is way too late for that. It's like giving a band aid to someone having a heart attack. These banks need these loans off their books now, today. Not insurance, not incentives. There is no time for that to work.
The credit markets are frozen right now, today, and businesses can not get short term financing for their business needs like financing their accounts receivable and inventories. We are damaging our economy billions of dollars a day with this frozen credit.
I look for the DOW to drop below 10,000
I anticipate more banks, and I mean a lot more to go belly up cause of this screwing around in Congress.
If you have a 401K, you just lost another 20% of your savings at least.
I can not find the words to communicate how stunned I am to see this happen.
It occurred to me yesterday why this is happening. The democrats/traitors have found a way to prevent any future military action by either Bush or McCain as well as finally guarantee a loss in Iraq. They bankrupt the United States which results in a 50 to 70 percent defunding of the US military and blame it all on the Republicans.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:36:03am |
re: #302 3 wood
I think I have a firm grip on foreign policy, but I do plead ignorance on money matters. Your perspective on this stuff has always been sound in the past so I tend to listen to your analysis. It was a big disappointment to me also, and I am unsure also how McCain fits into all this. After I am done with work today, I think I will go home to drink-alot!
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:37:14am |
re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mornin' Wood. Got an extra fingernail? I'm going to have to move to my toes. But they are really hard to get into my mouth!
Funny, I could have sworn I saw both of them there just yesterday.... ;P
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:37:48am |
re: #310 Panhandler
yes, in London I almost wiped out making a right turn after stop, yikes
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Crux Australis Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:38:13am |
Australia gets it's driving on the left from Britain. Australia's gun laws go back to colonial times when most of the population were convicts. Also since there were a few massacres in Australia involving guns in the '80s and '90s people have been 'gun-shy'.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:27am |
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Lively Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:35am |
I think we should be cautious about reaching a "deal" in one or two days. When you're spending $700 billion dollars, it's important to think things all the way through. We should be sending signals to the world/Americans that we will do something to clean this mess up, but we still need to think the whole thing through.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:39:58am |
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Lively Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:14am |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:21am |
So, we're going to get a sell off? Say it issn't so!
They should have just accepted the clean Paulson plan, at least he knows what he's doing.
/WHERE IS THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN PLAN, WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] IS IT?
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:37am |
re: #320 Crux Australis
Australia gets it's driving on the left from Britain. Australia's gun laws go back to colonial times when most of the population were convicts. Also since there were a few massacres in Australia involving guns in the '80s and '90s people have been 'gun-shy'.
Cough cough.... Ya know, I'm a big Rock star in Australia
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:44am |
re: #321 Panhandler
HEY! ya think Rizzo doesn't share his booze?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:40:48am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:09am |
re: #320 Crux Australis
Australia gets it's driving on the left from Britain. Australia's gun laws go back to colonial times when most of the population were convicts. Also since there were a few massacres in Australia involving guns in the '80s and '90s people have been 'gun-shy'.
My Scottish ancestors were outlawed to Australia in the 1800s when they refused to end a feud with another clan. Finally welcomed back home a few decades ago. On their behalf, thanks for the Aussie welcome!
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:09am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:41:54am |
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:42:07am |
re: #321 Panhandler
Yup, he's trying to get us all drunk so he can take advantage of the Lady Lizards.... ;O
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:42:29am |
According to NRO, This was the last press release before Washington Mutual collapsed.
Company ranks in top ten of Hispanic Business’ Diversity Elite and earns perfect score on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index
SEATTLE, WA (September 24, 2008) – Washington Mutual, Inc. (NYSE:WM), one of the nation’s leading banks for consumers and small businesses, has once again been recognized as a top employer by Hispanic Business magazine and the Human Rights Campaign.
Hispanic Business magazine recently ranked WaMu sixth in its annual Diversity Elite list, which names the top 60 companies for Hispanics. The company was honored specifically for its efforts to recruit Hispanic employees, reach out to Hispanic consumers and support Hispanic communities and organizations.
The Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) civil rights organization, also awarded WaMu its second consecutive 100 percent score in the organization’s 2009 Corporate Equality Index (CEI), which measures progress in attaining equal rights for GLBT employees and consumers. WaMu joins the ranks of 259 other major U.S. businesses that also received top marks in the annual survey. The CEI rated a total of 583 businesses on GLBT-related policies and practices, including non-discrimination policies and domestic partner benefits.
In both surveys, WaMu earned points for competitive diversity policies and programs, including the recently established Latino, African American and GLBT employee network groups, all of which have a corporate executive sponsor and champion.
“Diversity is an integral part of cultivating a welcoming, innovative and dynamic workplace here at WaMu. We are proud to be recognized for the opportunities and benefits we offer to all of our employees, including the specific efforts we have made to engage Hispanics and the GLBT community,” said Steve Rotella, WaMu president and COO. “We are committed to diversity at WaMu and pledge to listen to our customers and work closely with our employees to continue to make progress.”
These two recent honors build upon diversity recognitions WaMu received earlier in 2008. WaMu was named one of 25 Noteworthy Companies by Diversity Inc magazine and one of the Top 50 Corporations for Supplier Diversity by Hispanic Enterprise magazine.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:42:32am |
re: #331 scottishbuzzsaw
My Scottish ancestors were outlawed to Australia in the 1800s when they refused to end a feud with another clan. Finally welcomed back home a few decades ago. On their behalf, thanks for the Aussie welcome!
We are probably cousins, mine is the Lawerence clan
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:43:16am |
re: #330 reine.de.tout
Good morning, all!
For Dorian and any other lizard needing it:
Coffee and the morning paper.
How dare you threaten me with a morning paper.... Thx for the coffee though.... ;)
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:43:23am |
Gird your loins, this is how the world ends.
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:43:44am |
re: #336 Peacekeeper
All this at the peril of the fundamentals, perhaps.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:09am |
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:29am |
Mother, son going to war together
Morrisville outfit faces tour in Iraq
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
Poor kid. I guess he is gonna have to be on his best behavior?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:49am |
re: #337 ratso
We are probably cousins, mine is the Lawerence clan
Well, as long as your not a Murray (spit) we'll get along just fine, cuz!
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:44:55am |
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:46:34am |
re: #342 Nevergiveup
Mother, son going to war together
Morrisville outfit faces tour in Iraq[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
Poor kid. I guess he is gonna have to be on his best behavior?
When Bill went on safari, he always took his gun....
In case of accident he always took his Mum...
And all the children sang...
Hey Buffalo Bill, what did ya kill, Buffalo Bill....
Hey Buffalo Bill, what did ya kill, Buffalo Bill....
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:46:39am |
re: #344 Panhandler
What I've never figured out dorian is why you keep tooting your own horn when you play a guitar.
OOPS! Forgot the /////!
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Crux Australis Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:47:44am |
I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency.
Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:48:01am |
re: #344 Panhandler
What I've never figured out dorian is why you keep tooting your own horn when you play a guitar.
:) California traffic laws.... Man with a fastest Car and the loudest Horn has the right of way..... :)
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:48:02am |
Washington Mutual, Inc. (NYSE:WM), one of the nation’s leading banks for consumers and small businesses, has once again been recognized as a top employer by Hispanic Business magazine and the Human Rights Campaign.
No hablemos dinero !
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:09am |
re: #347 Crux Australis
I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency.
Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?
There is no law in the United States that dictates conscious thought is a requirement to vote. Unfortunately?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:10am |
re: #333 Nevergiveup
You mean my WAMU shares might tank?
/
Do you own other banks?
/hang on for the ride, it's too late to bail
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:49:59am |
re: #353 Killian Bundy
Do you own other banks?
/hang on for the ride, it's too late to bail
Actually the Banks own me!
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:02am |
Good morning (I hope)... now here's an interesting rumor...
According to Gingrich and Dick Morris on Hannity and Colmes, McCain has killed the Paulsen bailout and will present his own version, which will require the government to lend, not give the money, and regulations will be reformed and taxes will be loosened to help them pay us back.
Both Gingrich and Morris were giddy. They both said McCain has shown that he will stand up to anyone--including the president--to fight for the country, and he's changed the argument: Now, the Dems support giving a trillion dollars to the Wall Street "fat cats," as they called them over and over, but McCain has refused, in the name of the taxpayer.
Both Gingrich and Morris said that McCain had utterly and totally pwned the Dems, who will be forced to support McCain's plan.
McCain will then go to the public and explain that Obama supported the bailout, but McCain crafted an alternative, despite immense pressure from the president and the Department of the Treasury.
As a bonus, McCain stood up for the conservative wing of the party, not the moderates, as everyone expected him to do. Both Gingrich and Morris said McCain has totally won the argument.
Let's hope it all pans out this way.
Morris said that he's never seen anything like this: McCain, the man of principle, united with the most effective campaigners in the history of American politics.
He was as excited and happy as I've ever seen him.
Is this real or is somebody blowing smoke?
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:17am |
re: #353 Killian Bundy
Do you own other banks?
/hang on for the ride, it's too late to bail
Never dismount your ride in mid Apocalypse...... :P
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:48am |
WaMu joins the ranks of 259 other major U.S. businesses that also received top marks in the annual survey. The CEI rated a total of 583 businesses on GLBT-related policies and practices, including non-discrimination policies and domestic partner benefits.
And my names is Bobby Brown, watch me now I'm goin' down...
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:50:48am |
re: #314 NC State of Mind
re: #248 opnion
I share your concern. I just noticed it's about one hour until the bell. #248 above had an interesting perspective from Bill Sammon
It's no wonder we can't ever have good decisions made in Washington when >50% of brainpower is spent trying to develop a plan that is politically expedient with no regard to solving actual problems.
To me, it seems like the Dem Party looks at any crisis as a political opening. They engage in wholesale Sophistry, blaming the other guys for their foul ups
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:00am |
Reminder:
Anyone wanting to donate a recipe to the collection of LGF reader recipes that I'm putting together, read about it here!
It would be nice if we were able to get this done by the end of October, in time for Christmas stocking-stuffer time. If you're interested, please consider sending in a couple or three recipes. THANKS.
Oh - a reader told me she is interested in "salmon on a board". If anyone has something describing this process, please submit it!
Again, many thanks.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:06am |
When Black Friday comes
I'll stand down by the door
And catch the grey men when they
Dive from the fourteenth floor
When Black Friday comes
I'll collect everything I'm owed
And before my friends find out
I'll be on the road
When Black Friday falls you know it's got to be
Don't let it fall on me
When Black Friday comes
I'll fly down to Muswellbrook
Gonna strike all the big red words
From my little black book
Gonna do just what I please
Gonna wear no socks and shoes
With nothing to do but feed
All the kangaroos
When Black Friday comes I'll be on that hill
You know I will
When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna dig myself a hole
Gonna lay down in it 'til
I satisfy my soul
Gonna let the world pass by me
The Archbishop's gonna sanctify me
And if he don't come across
I'm gonna let it roll
When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna stake my claim
I'll guess I'll change my name
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:11am |
re: #349 doriangrey
:) California traffic laws.... Man with a fastest Car and the loudest Horn has the right of way..... :)
Man, trade that Vette in on a Ferrari, get an ascot and you be testifyin
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:51:39am |
re: #356 Kenneth
Good morning (I hope)... now here's an interesting rumor...
Is this real or is somebody blowing smoke?
Please let it be real...
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:52:24am |
re: #347 Crux Australis
I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency.
Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?
A large amout of Americans think that they have a better chance to seperate you from your money with Obama.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:52:45am |
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rightymouse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:52:50am |
Is there a reason why I can't get to LGF using Internet Explorer? It bombs out. Can only use Firefox.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:04am |
re: #341 Killian Bundy
Dow will drop below 10,000
/and that's just for today
AIG friend of mine has already lost 450,000 dollars,
40 years of putting her secretary pay into savings.
I worked for AIG for 28 years.
We don't really give a shit where the market goes.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:32am |
re: #362 Panhandler
Man, trade that Vette in on a Ferrari, get an ascot and you be testifyin
Funny you should say that, there's a Ferrari dealership across the street from our main facility...... ;)
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:48am |
re: #366 rightymouse
Is there a reason why I can't get to LGF using Internet Explorer? It bombs out. Can only use Firefox.
IE is working fine for me...
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:53:52am |
re: #314 NC State of Mind
They had a deal. They just needed a little bit of leadership from people like McCain ans some House Republicans to get it through.
No deal will be perfect, but saving a large part of the financial system beats destroying it.
McCain is going to own this.
This is going to be ugly, and I mean very ugly.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:54:01am |
re: #367 ibmkeyboard
AIG friend of mine has already lost 450,000 dollars,
40 years of putting her secretary pay into savings.I worked for AIG for 28 years.
We don't really give a shit where the market goes.
The old misery likes company argument. Works for me.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:54:03am |
re: #356 Kenneth
Real, he laid it out on H&C last night and then Gingrich schooled Colmes on the make up of the US Congress. All in all, a most enjoyable hour.
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rightymouse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:55:16am |
re: #369 scottishbuzzsaw
IE is working fine for me...
IE says it can't open the website and gives an operation aborted message.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:55:33am |
I think McCain's ploy is also political trickery. The left can pass what ever they want and they want the republicans to be on board so that they are all hated by the populace.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:55:53am |
re: #370 3 wood
This is going to be ugly, and I mean very ugly.
No, it is not going to be that pretty..... Today is going to be Black Friday in spades.....
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Crux Australis Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:04am |
It seems that the Aussie Media are just as biased as the MSM in the US.
I'm glad I've got LGF and HotAir and others to keep me informed.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:21am |
re: #315 doriangrey
T
he democrats/traitors have found a way to prevent any future military action by either Bush or McCain as well as finally guarantee a loss in Iraq. They bankrupt the United States which results in a 50 to 70 percent defunding of the US military and blame it all on the Republicans.
I respectfully don't think so.
I think we have bonfire of the vanities going on in Washington, and the country's economy is caught in the middle.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:28am |
USA Today has a real fair front page article by two staffers.
Writing about yesterday, "But the good feelings seemed to evaporate about the time a new player entered the fray: Arizona Senator John McCain......"
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:56:32am |
re: #367 ibmkeyboard
I am sorry, and angry to hear that. I don't have an answer- a lot of people saved their money and in the end the fucking crooks found a way to steal all the same.
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:57:15am |
In northern CA it was not uncommon for a lender to give a home buyer a 100 percent loan, then the borrower would occupy the home, a year later they take out a 2nd mortgage, in cash, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. At that point the homeowner took off with the money.
To Mexico.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:57:28am |
re: #370 3 wood
Own as in McCain screwed the pooch "owned", or own as in McCain/Graham spanked the Dems "owned"?
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:57:44am |
re: #379 opnion
USA Today has a real fair front page article by two staffers.
Writing about yesterday, "But the good feelings seemed to evaporate about the time a new player entered the fray: Arizona Senator John McCain......"
Good, there should never have been any good feelings about what they were trying to do.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:58:26am |
re: #371 Nevergiveup
The old misery likes company argument. Works for me.
Anybody want to buy a keyboard?
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:06am |
re: #316 Nevergiveup
It was a big disappointment to me also, and I am unsure also how McCain fits into all this. After I am done with work today, I think I will go home to drink-alot!
McCain came in to look like the maverick and come up with a "different solution at the last second, and screwed this up.
I'm not a politician, I'm an economist.
This is no time for politics, we are on the edge of economic melt down here with the credit markets. That does not just impact fat cats on Wall Street, it effects everyone on Main Street.
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doriangrey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:10am |
Well time to run off to work, somebody has to pay for the democrat/socialists/communist criminal spending....
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:20am |
I don't even have the energy to fire up my trading software and start short selling.
/it would be unpatriotic and unsavory, I'll make money later, it's always there
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:21am |
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:25am |
Wall Street opening in 3 minutes. I have no doubt this is Black Friday.
If the word was there was no deal yet but they were working on it and progress was being made, I wouldn't be too concerned. But the confused news that is coming out is going to create a panic. Both sides are blaming the other. It's scary as hell.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:40am |
re: #380 Peacekeeper
I am sorry, and angry to hear that. I don't have an answer- a lot of people saved their money and in the end the fucking crooks found a way to steal all the same.
If I could get my hands around Barney Franks neck,
Ahhhh- the pleasure.
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:41am |
re: #378 3 woodI think that the Giant McCain ego road in and in perfect McCain fashion it will be done his way or not at all.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 5:59:47am |
re: #386 doriangrey
Well time to run off to work, somebody has to pay for the democrat/socialists/communist criminal spending....
Have a good one, dorian...
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:00:33am |
re: #382 Panhandler
Own as in McCain screwed the pooch "owned", or own as in McCain/Graham spanked the Dems "owned"?
"Owned as in screwed the pooch,"owned" as in stepped on his crank with track shoes, "owned" as in caused a train wreck.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:00:59am |
re: #383 doriangrey
Good, there should never have been any good feelings about what they were trying to do.
Right, but the logic can give you a head ache. On the one hand McCain gets crticised for saying very little. On the other hand he gets blamed for trashing the deal.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:02:15am |
re: #376 doriangrey
No, it is not going to be that pretty..... Today is going to be Black Friday in spades.....
Why does this shit always happen on Friday?
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:02:37am |
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kawfytawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:02:41am |
re: #360 reine.de.tout
reine....will you put me on the list for the LGF cookbook?
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:03:17am |
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:03:49am |
Well, history will be made today. Hang on for the ride.
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lori lane Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:04:51am |
re: #347 Crux Australis
I hope against hope that all this doesn't result in an Obama Presidency. Do American's actually believe that the false messiah will do a better job than McCain?
All the stupid ones do.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:04:53am |
re: #397 Nevergiveup
So it can ruin my weekend.
a little humor. ha.
some people will get arrested for public drunkenness.
stay off of tall buildings.
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Spider Mensch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:05:06am |
the problem I see, or lack of thought process, in the obama supporters (my brother for instance) is the following "he's got to be better that what we have" now this financial crisis plays right into the hand of this thought. "republican president? all his fault! republican= all thats bad" they conviently forget the dem controlled congress and other influences.when you ask the ones with this thought process, but maybe it could be worse under obam? answer..."how can it get worse!" well it can, and obama will show the way. now taking my brother, makes a 6 digit salary,and he thinks obama is going to treat him better?..lol..I'm working on him though, he is a vietnam era Marine, so at least I got him to admit that he has great respect for McCain. My current mind meld on him now is I tell him under obama his beloved Marine Corps will be a shell of its former self. trying to flank him on that angle..lol
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Irish Rose Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:05:25am |
Good morning, lizards.
An interesting day on tap, I think.
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UFO TOFU Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:05:32am |
Crap, 3 wood, it's Friday. Tell us something good.
/ I'm not even checking into the WaMu thread downstairs.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:06:32am |
re: #388 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning, reine! How are you today?
Good morning! I hope this day finds you well.
We have some cooler, drier weather here, it's been marvelous!
I'm doing fine, trying to drum up interest and recipe donations for the reader's cookbook
Marketing not my strength.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:06:33am |
re: #372 Panhandler
Let's pray it passes. Then we cana all laugh as Obama jumps up and down and squeals "Me too, me too... it was my idea, McCain stole my idea!"
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:06:50am |
re: #394 3 wood
"Owned as in screwed the pooch,"owned" as in stepped on his crank with track shoes, "owned" as in caused a train wreck.
It may be he sees himself as swooping in at the last moment to turn things around, like Superman.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:07:26am |
re: #394 3 wood
"Owned as in screwed the pooch,"owned" as in stepped on his crank with track shoes, "owned" as in caused a train wreck.
I am not a huge McCain fan, but I can't see how he srewed up the deal.
Rank & File Republicans were not going to accept the deal that the leadership struck, in a seperate room, with or without McCain.
Just one example, the Republicans were not going to stand for a lot of cash going to ACORN.
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FamHistoryGuy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:07:28am |
re: #366 rightymouse
Could not get on at all earlier. Kept timing out. So spent an hour visiting other sites.
All this DC *rap has put me back in my 1973 attitude towards congress.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:08:26am |
re: #402 ibmkeyboard
a little humor. ha.
some people will get arrested for public drunkenness.
stay off of tall buildings.
stay out from underneath tall buildings :(
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:08:37am |
re: #379 opnion
"McCain spoiled it" is the DNC party line this morning. Which is why it's showing up word-for-word in all the MSM op-ed pieces this morning.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:09:26am |
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:09:41am |
I don't know what to believe anymore, and that's what's terrifying. On one hand I hear McCain did very little, on the other I hear that he's offering alternative plans and playing politics. On one hand I hear the Democrats are to blame, on the other I hear that Republicans are. On one hand I hear there was a deal all ready to go, on the other hand I hear there never was any deal. The rumors are flying fast and furious and this very fact in itself is going to shatter investor confidence.
Black Friday.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:10:20am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
Good morning! I hope this day finds you well.
We have some cooler, drier weather here, it's been marvelous!I'm doing fine, trying to drum up interest and recipe donations for the reader's cookbook
Marketing not my strength.
It's been cooler and drier here too...delightful!
And you're doing just fine with the marketing! I think many are just a wee tad distracted with the financial news...I'm hanging on to Kenneth's #356 myself...
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:10:41am |
Short the Dow ETF.
/if you want to add to the problem
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:10:51am |
Well good morning all y'all - from a chilly (62 degrees which is our projected high for today) and very rainy
Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:00am |
re: #412 Kenneth
"McCain spoiled it" is the DNC party line this morning. Which is why it's showing up word-for-word in all the MSM op-ed pieces this morning.
Thats it. "Why did he come if he didn't want to say anything?"
Then, "McCain screwed the deal"
His silence must have been crazy passive aggresive & they all got scared?
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lawhawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:10am |
re: #405 UFO TOFU
The Port Authority is promising to have the 9/11 memorial open by the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:31am |
re: #370 3 wood
They had a deal. They just needed a little bit of leadership from people like McCain ans some House Republicans to get it through.
No deal will be perfect, but saving a large part of the financial system beats destroying it.
McCain is going to own this.
This is going to be ugly, and I mean very ugly.
Unless, the rumour turns out to be true that McCain has put together an alternative deal that puts the cost of the bailout on Wall Street, not on the taxpayer. If that works, McCain is the hero. Not that the media will mention it.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:50am |
re: #408 Peacekeeper
It may be he sees himself as swooping in at the last moment to turn things around, like Superman.
/where are the superpowers?
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rightymouse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:11:55am |
re: #410 FamHistoryGuy
Could not get on at all earlier. Kept timing out. So spent an hour visiting other sites.
All this DC *rap has put me back in my 1973 attitude towards congress.
I was having net problems anyway and thought that was it - but I pretty much solved those issues and it's flying this morning. No problems with other sites using IE. Had to use Firefox to get here. Am still at home right now and not sure if my office will let me use Firefox if IE still has issues.
The DC stuff is very scary and it's like putting the foxes in charge of the hen house.
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:12:08am |
You're about to see what happens when you put your faith in the Princes of the Earth...
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kawfytawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:12:13am |
re: #409 opnion
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but what/who are the sources that say big bucks were going to ACORN?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:12:27am |
re: #417 realwest
Well good morning all y'all - from a chilly (62 degrees which is our projected high for today) and very rainy
Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?
Mornin' Studmuffin...doing pretty well here...how's about yourself?
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:06am |
re: #421 Killian Bundy
/where are the superpowers?
Jump off the roof first, organize a vote on the way down. More dramatic that way....
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David IV of Georgia Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:29am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
Video: Visiting pastor prays over Palin for protection from witchcraft
I'm still on dial up so I can't watch.
Naomh Pádraig, aka Saint Patrick, Bishop of Armagh and Enlightener of Ireland (the green beer guy) prayed for protection from witches.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:29am |
re: #420 Kenneth
Unless, the rumour turns out to be true that McCain has put together an alternative deal that puts the cost of the bailout on Wall Street, not on the taxpayer. If that works, McCain is the hero. Not that the media will mention it.
/WHERE THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] IS IT?
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NC State of Mind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:13:59am |
re: #419 lawhawk
The Port Authority is promising to have the 9/11 memorial open by the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks.
According to the Democrats, if it's going to take ten years to get something done, it's not worth doing. Right?
No drilling, no memorial. Idiots.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:14:13am |
re: #426 kawfytawk
mornin, scottish :O)
Mornin', Kawfy! You missed ratso passing around the Bailey's to spike the morning coffee...maybe there's some left?
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UFO TOFU Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:14:26am |
re: #419 lawhawk
Thanks, I appreciate that. And I love that picture of the Joshua tree.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:14:58am |
re: #424 kawfytawk
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but what/who are the sources that say big bucks were going to ACORN?
There was a link on the thread last night & to be honest I do not remember who. It was said to be earmarked for ACORN's housing initiative.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:18am |
re: #418 opnion
Just because McCain won't speak to the media does not mean he is not speaking to anybody else. The media is so full of their self importance, they actually think somebody who does only staged photo-ops and press releases is actually accomplishing things. You know the One I'm referring to.
Do you think anybody in Washington is listening to Barry? He has to ask directions to find the Senate washroom.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:25am |
re: #356 Kenneth
Is this real or is somebody blowing smoke?
Morris is full of crap. It won't work.
Like it or not the only way to fix this problem is to get the bad loans off the banks books now.
My God, WaMu went under last night. Brokerage firms have been folding. Insurance companies being bailed out.
What more do they need to see?
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Neo_ Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:31am |
KROFT: Why you? I mean, why do you think you would be a good president?OBAMA: Well, I was going to get to that.
KROFT: Go ahead.
OBAMA: You know, I’m a, I’m a practical person. One of the things I’m good at is getting people in a room with a bunch of different ideas who sometimes violently disagree with each other and finding common ground and a sense of common direction. And that’s the kind of approach that I think prevents you from making some of the enormous mistakes that we’ve seen over the last eight years.
Clearly after yesterday's meeting at the White House which Democrats to a man called a "waste of time," Obama needs a better reason to be President.
Obama was there at yesterday's meeting at the White House, wasn't he ?
.. or does it matter which seat Mr. Obama is sitting in in order to activate the "magic" ?
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lori lane Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:15:56am |
re: #417 realwest
Well good morning all y'all - from a chilly (62 degrees which is our projected high for today) and very rainy
Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?
Good morning, {RW}! I am a weenie and turned the heat on this morning for awhile. Currently 59 and going up to 80 with SUNSHINE. You're not out there siphoning your neighbors gas tanks are you? ;-)
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lawhawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:07am |
re: #434 UFO TOFU
Thanks. Here's a bristlecone pine I posted last nite. Very zen. Very appropriate for the situation which we as a nation face.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:09am |
re: #429 David IV of Georgia
Naomh Pádraig, aka Saint Patrick, Bishop of Armagh and Enlightener of Ireland (the green beer guy) prayed for protection from witches.
Hmmm, didn't work for Clinton or Obama.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:24am |
re: #430 Killian Bundy
So far it's just a rumor, look for my first post upthread.
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:34am |
re: #437 3 wood
Morris is full of crap. It won't work.
Like it or not the only way to fix this problem is to get the bad loans off the banks books now.
My God, WaMu went under last night. Brokerage firms have been folding. Insurance companies being bailed out.
What more do they need to see?
The blind can't see.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:38am |
We have a plan.
/but you haven't suffered enough to hear it, maybe this weekend
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lori lane Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:16:42am |
President Bush to speak in about 20 minutes.
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lawhawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:04am |
re: #438 Neo_
Good question. We don't hear his name much when it comes to this crisis. I guess he's hoping that McCain flames out on the bailout mess, so that he can claim that if you vote for him, it will give hope and change the situation for the better.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:05am |
re: #436 Kenneth
Just because McCain won't speak to the media does not mean he is not speaking to anybody else. The media is so full of their self importance, they actually think somebody who does only staged photo-ops and press releases is actually accomplishing things. You know the One I'm referring to.
Do you think anybody in Washington is listening to Barry? He has to ask directions to find the Senate washroom.
Oh yeah, and call him if ya need him..
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abolitionist Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:16am |
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:17:40am |
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:09am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:23am |
re: #451 ratso
that was supposed to followed by a "burp"
Which should be followed with a 'pardon me'...
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:45am |
re: #436 Kenneth
Just because McCain won't speak to the media does not mean he is not speaking to anybody else. The media is so full of their self importance, they actually think somebody who does only staged photo-ops and press releases is actually accomplishing things. You know the One I'm referring to.
Do you think anybody in Washington is listening to Barry? He has to ask directions to find the Senate washroom.
I am at a loss to understand the screed that "McCain has no business here"
He is an elected Senator from Arizona & a major party presidential candidate. What credential is he missing?
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:18:48am |
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Irene NYC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:19:02am |
HotAir has a report here on the Acorn and LaRaza funding with profits from the buyout.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:19:27am |
Good morning, Lizards.
Global warming has produced unusually cool weather for this time of the year...thanks algore...63 degrees in south TX.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:19:29am |
re: #437 3 wood
My God, WaMu went under last night.
/technically it was scooped up by Morgan Stanley for the deposit base, but I defer
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:08am |
re: #417 realwest
Good morning to you, Realwest. Rainy squalls up here. Hope the dentist treated you well. Looks like we're in for an...interesting day. I, for one, am holding on to my hat.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:09am |
re: #447 scottishbuzzsaw
but I promise a new bottle tomorrow luv
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:25am |
re: #415 scottishbuzzsaw
It's been cooler and drier here too...delightful!
And you're doing just fine with the marketing! I think many are just a wee tad distracted with the financial news...I'm hanging on to Kenneth's #356 myself...
Yes, you are correct, a wee tad distracted, indeed! And who can blame them?
I'm of a mind that there isn't much I can do to change the financial news, so I might as well just wait and see how it plays out before I speculate on it and panic.
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lori lane Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:26am |
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:33am |
re: #435 opnion
There was a link on the thread last night & to be honest I do not remember who. It was said to be earmarked for ACORN's housing initiative.
Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:42am |
re: #457 jorline
Good morning, Lizards.
Global warming has produced unusually cool weather for this time of the year...thanks algore...63 degrees in south TX.
Mornin' jorline...heard about your diagnosis yesterday...my thoughts and prayers are with you...
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sngnsgt Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:43am |
Whatever it is, it's George Bushs' fault.
/LLL
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David IV of Georgia Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:20:54am |
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:07am |
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lawhawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:17am |
The Democrats are feckless, and they're going to make the situation far worse by failing to actually govern.
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ibmkeyboard Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:26am |
re: #437 3 wood
Morris is full of crap. It won't work.
My God, WaMu went under last night. Brokerage firms have been folding. Insurance companies being bailed out.
What more do they need to see?
It doesn't matter if you have good credit or bad credit,
NO MONEY.
/
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kawfytawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:28am |
re: #433 scottishbuzzsaw
hope there is....I may need some!
My daughter called me at 5am, she attends Ole Miss, she was poutin about the debate and I said honey, if congress doesn't get this straightened out your college fund is gonna be gone.
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lori lane Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:32am |
Oh no. Huckabee is going to have a radio show on Fox Radio? Oh good grief. Could that be true?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:39am |
re: #446 lori lane
President Bush to speak in about 20 minutes.
That's nice.
/is he going to make it better or worse?
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:21:59am |
re: #414 Tigger2005
I don't know what to believe anymore, and that's what's terrifying. On one hand I hear McCain did very little, on the other I hear that he's offering alternative plans and playing politics. On one hand I hear the Democrats are to blame, on the other I hear that Republicans are. On one hand I hear there was a deal all ready to go, on the other hand I hear there never was any deal. The rumors are flying fast and furious and this very fact in itself is going to shatter investor confidence.
Black Friday.
The market tells you everything you need to know on this.
Yesterday, deal in principle, and the market rebounds 200 points.
Train wreck meeting late in the day
To day, market melt down.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:03am |
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:16am |
re: #459 Pullus Iulius
Good morning to you, Realwest. Rainy squalls up here. Hope the dentist treated you well. Looks like we're in for an...interesting day. I, for one, am holding on to my hat.
is that with the hope someone will put coins in it?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:19am |
re: #461 reine.de.tout
Yes, you are correct, a wee tad distracted, indeed! And who can blame them?
I'm of a mind that there isn't much I can do to change the financial news, so I might as well just wait and see how it plays out before I speculate on it and panic.
Good morning, reine. I'm sending you three to four recipes this weekend...I'm working on the pictures...lol
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:25am |
re: #461 reine.de.tout
Yes, you are correct, a wee tad distracted, indeed! And who can blame them?
I'm of a mind that there isn't much I can do to change the financial news, so I might as well just wait and see how it plays out before I speculate on it and panic.
We'll wait together...as calmly as possible...and maybe try to make the lizards laugh to relieve the stress somewhat...always good medicine...
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:22:41am |
re: #463 Panhandler
Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)
Thanx
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:28am |
re: #437 3 wood
I'm no economics, but the bailout plan as presented sure looked bad to me:
House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon, even after the New York Times reported that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi to compromise. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, wasn’t a lack of begging but a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza.
The Dems aren't satisfied for having created the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to use the rescue funds to reward the people who did this?
Something has to be done, but not just anything.
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Miss Trixie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:53am |
♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪
The tension is palpable this morning - let's hope and pray that kenneth is correct.
{rightymouse} Hiya, toots! :D
{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie* :D Doing fine today?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:23:58am |
re: #460 ratso
but I promise a new bottle tomorrow luv
Sounds good, cousin...be here bright and early.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:06am |
Strangely enough, my 401k doesn't seem to be affected and almost all my funds have gone up.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:12am |
re: #454 opnion
I am at a loss to understand the screed that "McCain has no business here"
He is an elected Senator from Arizona & a major party presidential candidate. What credential is he missing?
McCain is no community organizer.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:33am |
re: #367 ibmkeyboard
AIG friend of mine has already lost 450,000 dollars,
40 years of putting her secretary pay into savings.I worked for AIG for 28 years.
We don't really give a shit where the market goes.
And that did not have to happen.
If Congress had delay with this a month or two ago when the alarms were first being seriously sounded, there would have been some loss but not that bad
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:24:54am |
re: #479 Kenneth
I'm no economics, but the bailout plan as presented sure looked bad to me:
House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon, even after the New York Times reported that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi to compromise. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, wasn’t a lack of begging but a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza.
The Dems aren't satisfied for having created the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to use the rescue funds to reward the people who did this?
Something has to be done, but not just anything.
They always try to sneak in crap.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:09am |
re: #479 Kenneth
I should have known Dirty Dodd had his hands in this.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:47am |
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:25:58am |
Well, the sun will rise and shine upon just as many houses, more or less, as it did yesterday. No actual buildings actually vanished in this financial crisis. Just as many people woke up today as yesterday, with a day in front of them, in which they can be productive.
O the artificiality of it all
I hope 0bama shows up for the debate and McCain does not, and he is obviously known to be working for the people at the time 0bama shows up, obviously looking for his own partisan political power.
Eat a big breakfast and build something useful!
Good morning all.
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:26:04am |
re: #487 opnion
They always try to sneak in crap.
Like Reid putting in a clause to place oil shale in Nevada off limits. Sneaky bastids.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:26:45am |
re: #473 3 wood
The market tells you everything you need to know on this.
Yesterday, deal in principle, and the market rebounds 200 points.
Train wreck meeting late in the day
To day, market melt down.
I can't help but think a lot of Republicans and misinformed or uninformed voters have contributed to this disaster. We have several people on LGF adamantly insisting "no bailout" and "let it melt down." I heard of some Republican Senators talking about how they were getting phone calls demanding NO bailout, not an agreement. One guy on here said he was calling his Senators every day demanding no bailout.
They simply don't understand what this means.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:07am |
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:08am |
re: #464 scottishbuzzsaw
Mornin' jorline...heard about your diagnosis yesterday...my thoughts and prayers are with you...
Thank you scottish. You take the cards dealt to you and put together a good hand. They caught it early and they want to deal with it aggressively to slow down the progression.
CHANGE is inevitable...you adapt.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:19am |
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Spider Mensch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:24am |
re: #438 Neo_
Clearly after yesterday's meeting at the White House which Democrats to a man called a "waste of time," Obama needs a better reason to be President.
Obama was there at yesterday's meeting at the White House, wasn't he ?
.. or does it matter which seat Mr. Obama is sitting in in order to activate the "magic" ?
yeah, but he did change all the water on the table for the meeting into wine...
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:26am |
OK...Democrats control Congress, especially the House. How is this McCain's or the House Republicans' fault? Pelosi has all the Democratic votes but also about 45 House Republicans, last I heard. She can get this passed. The reason she isn't is to make McCain look bad and blame the Republicans in general.
I personally like the House Republican plan much better. I'm with McCain on the principles of this; I'm not sure it was such a great political move, but this is McCain. As for Obama? He's the reason the White House meeting was a failure (he ran the Democratic side). It quickly turned contentious. Does this man have any idea about the kind of bipartisanship, negotiation, and compromise that you need to govern the US, even when you control the legislative and executive branches? If he gets elected, I foresee Republicans taking back Congress in 2010.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:31am |
re: #493 rawmuse
Like Reid putting in a clause to place oil shale in Nevada off limits. Sneaky bastids.
just so. However he was spot on when he said that we lost the War, that we are now winning going away.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:35am |
re: #420 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth - well the version I had was that McCain hadn't read the "final" version of the Dem bailout plan, spoke to a group of Republican leaders in the House, recused himself to go read the bill and came back and said words to the effect of "WTF?! Harry Reid wan't to prohibit Shale Oil recovery and he sneaked it into this bill? Dodd and Biden are going to allow the leaders of institutions that the Taxpayer bails out take the "golden parachutes and fly away?
Hell no I'm not voting for this!".
I tend to believe this because a) I read about Reid's sleazy manouver in two different locations, neither one of which mentioned McCain and b) Chris Dodd and Barney Frank have FAILED MISERABLY at their jobs as head of the Senate and House banking committees, have taken more campaign cash from the same folks who want their golden parachutes protected that they'll pass anything and that the stupid, STUPID credit card, student Loan and auto lenders were also covered in this bill which also would have resulted in ACORN getting something close to $100 million bucks out of it (thank you Obama).
Unlike others, however, while I expect the Dow to drop something around 600 or so today - and to see the flight of foreign capital really start going - I expect that a deal will be worked out by Monday morning - which will have new regulatory requirements in it and which will, unfortunately, wind up dribbling out that $700 billion (or more) as and when requested by the Fed as opposed to simply saying "Ok here's $700 billion buckos - we trust you guys - who really haven't been doing your jobs so well to begin with - to 'bail out' the banks and wall street."
BTW, I HATE the term "bailout" because it is SO inaccurate - a lot of this is going to be Fed guarantees - like we did with Chrysler back in the day and other aspects will give the Taxpayers outright ownership of some companies which will, over the long term, result in the Taxpayers making money.
But despite all the partisan bickering I do think a deal will be in place by Monday morning. And McCain ain't gonna debate Obama tonight and if Obama's smart he'll stay in D.C. to help clean this mess up.
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lori lane Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:35am |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:27:40am |
re: #479 Kenneth
Something has to be done, but not just anything.
WELL, WHAT? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.
/Paulson ran Goldman Sachs, Bernanke signed off on it, do you think they're idiots?
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:03am |
re: #424 kawfytawk
Well, Michelle has it. That good enough?
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Irene NYC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:15am |
Somebody should open a news service that actually reports, the uh, NEWS.
All the reports I'm reading from AP, Reuters, etc. omit the specifics necessary to make a judgment call. Or they outright lie.
Charles Krauthammer is only partially right. Hang some bankers as scapegoats, but have some members of the 5th estate hang with them.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:20am |
re: #479 Kenneth
The House Republicans had plenty of time to pull something together before this.
I'm not excusing the games being played by the Dem's either, but we just don;t have time left for this crap.
We have almost no time left to fix this before a financial core melt down happens.
This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:28:55am |
exactly, I've been saying this all morning, they just want eveyone to be the villian, not just the demorats :) re: #499 arethusa
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:29:08am |
re: #494 Tigger2005
Is it entirely possible you don't know what this means?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:29:25am |
re: #481 Miss Trixie
♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪
The tension is palpable this morning - let's hope and pray that kenneth is correct.
{rightymouse} Hiya, toots! :D
{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie* :D Doing fine today?
Love the way you enter the thread, Trixie.
Good morning to you.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:30:14am |
re: #494 Tigger2005
I can't help but think a lot of Republicans and misinformed or uninformed voters have contributed to this disaster. We have several people on LGF adamantly insisting "no bailout" and "let it melt down." I heard of some Republican Senators talking about how they were getting phone calls demanding NO bailout, not an agreement. One guy on here said he was calling his Senators every day demanding no bailout.
They simply don't understand what this means.
I agree.
It means losing your life saving, your pension, your job.
I hope folks who wanted the melt down are happy cause I think that is exactly what we are going to get now.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:30:17am |
while Obama took in hundreds of thousands of charitable donations over the last few years from corrupt government agencies Fannie and Freddie, Yahoo news has a negative headline (along with an unflattering photo) pointing out that it is Palin who gives any bad money to charity.
Fuck the AP.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:30:49am |
re: #506 3 wood
The House Republicans had plenty of time to pull something together before this.
I'm not excusing the games being played by the Dem's either, but we just don;t have time left for this crap.
We have almost no time left to fix this before a financial core melt down happens.
This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.
I am wondering if Bush can make this a national security issue and just override Congress.
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:31:10am |
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:31:15am |
re: #460 ratso
but I promise a new bottle tomorrow luv
Oh heck, we're just one big family here, I'll break out the Drambuie tomorrow ratso, you was the man today, rest on your laurels
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:31:39am |
re: #506 3 wood
How many times does it have to be said that the R's have attempted to clean this up - long before now. What good did that do? They (and I mean the entire lot of 'em) kept putting band-aids on major wounds, 3 wood...
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:03am |
Bush speaks in five minutes.
Opening bell on Wall Street...Dow down 99 points.
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:07am |
re: #512 Tigger2005
I am wondering if Bush can make this a national security issue and just override Congress.
That would be fairly outrageous. What has he got to lose? Could cost the GOP the election.
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:32am |
re: #505 Irene NYC
Hang some bankers as scapegoats, but have some members of the 5th estate hang with them.
Man some heads should roll people should do jail time for this financial crisis.
And be voted out of office.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:32:41am |
re: #508 Cap'n DOC
Is it entirely possible you don't know what this means?
So let's hear from your experts. Is someone going to find ten trillion dollars on the sidewalk?
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:01am |
re: #501 realwest
Yo Real, sup Dawg?
How do you like this, lets give gobs of money to the same people who created the mess, to clean up the mess.
Oh and lets have culprits like Dodd & Barney Frank help write the bill.
I know that we have to do something, but sheeesh!
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:02am |
re: #499 arethusa
OK...Democrats control Congress, especially the House. How is this McCain's or the House Republicans' fault? Pelosi has all the Democratic votes but also about 45 House Republicans, last I heard. She can get this passed. The reason she isn't is to make McCain look bad and blame the Republicans in general.
I personally like the House Republican plan much better. I'm with McCain on the principles of this; I'm not sure it was such a great political move, but this is McCain. As for Obama? He's the reason the White House meeting was a failure (he ran the Democratic side). It quickly turned contentious. Does this man have any idea about the kind of bipartisanship, negotiation, and compromise that you need to govern the US, even when you control the legislative and executive branches? If he gets elected, I foresee Republicans taking back Congress in 2010.
but I though he would bring people together. The few republicans left in congress after this election are going to have to battle the most unqualified - the biggest communist this nation has ever faced. Our nation is headed to hell.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:11am |
re: #481 {Miss Trixie} Hi ya gorgeous and a big *smoooch* back to you! I'm doing ok physically today - dentist stopped the toothache pain (caused by grinding my teeth - now why would I have been grinding my teeth?! LOL!). Anyway other than that I am extremely unhappy today because of this financial meltdown that DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN!
How are you doing today, sweetie?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:21am |
re: #501 realwest
Good to see you this morning, RW. I kept missing you yesterday. How did your doctor visit go? Still in pain?
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:54am |
re: #492 Ojoe
Where's the grits? There's gotta be cheese grits! I need all the comfort food I can gag down!
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:56am |
re: #463 Panhandler
Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:33:59am |
re: #519 Tigger2005
Are you? It's my money, too, and I don't have any 'investments' but for a house that isn't paid for. How about you?
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:34:39am |
re: #505 Irene NYC
Charles Krauthammer is only partially right. Hang some bankers as scapegoats, but have some members of the 5th estate hang with them.
That's perfect! The unnatural lovechild of the fourth estate and the fifth column is the fifth estate: The clandestine, traitorous press. It's in my dictionary from here out.
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Miss Trixie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:34:45am |
Love the way you enter the thread, Trixie.Good morning to you.
{jorline} And a good morning to you too. :D How are things in the great state of Texas today? Feeling fine today?
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:34:58am |
The DOW is down 140 already.
For those who want a melt down, enjoy the ride.
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David IV of Georgia Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:25am |
I hope this doesn't become the famous "Black Friday" thread.
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Irene NYC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:29am |
Well, the company where my husband works announced last week that it is closing its doors on September 30. I don't think he'll be the only person out of a job.
If people claim Wall Street is broken, I'd say Washington is broken twice as much.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:40am |
Follow the money:
Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
Name Office Party/State Total
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,9002. Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000
3. Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550
5. Kanjorski, Paul E H D-PA $65,500
6. Bennett, Robert F S R-UT $61,499
7. Johnson, Tim S D-SD $61,000
8. Conrad, Kent S D-ND $58,991
9. Davis, Tom H R-VA $55,499
10. Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S R-MO $55,400
The Dems are not going to solve this problem. They created it and profited from it. More to the point, in Obama's case, the wealth created by this boondoogle created him & brought him to Washington.
Who can fix this mess?
Somebody with nothing to loose. Somebody who owes nothing to the power brokers in Washington or the editorial offices in New York. Somebody who has been through hell & back before and became a better man for it.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:35:42am |
re: #476 jorline
Good morning, reine. I'm sending you three to four recipes this weekend...I'm working on the pictures...lol
GREAT!
Good morning, Jorline. Coffee upthread a little!
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:06am |
re: #525 MandyManners
How many of the billions would be going (still) to these freakin' socialist bastads? Give me a number I can wrap my head around.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:18am |
re: #477 scottishbuzzsaw
We'll wait together...as calmly as possible...and maybe try to make the lizards laugh to relieve the stress somewhat...always good medicine...
Laughter is the best medicine, I agree!
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Spenser (with an S) Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:21am |
re: #506 3 wood
re: #479 Kenneth
The House Republicans had plenty of time to pull something together before this.
I'm not excusing the games being played by the Dem's either, but we just don;t have time left for this crap.
We have almost no time left to fix this before a financial core melt down happens.
This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.
3 wood, I took some 300 level Econ classes but that was just enough to tell me I didn't know much. Could you play Devil's Advocate with the scenario of a limited bailout that didn't save many of the companies? Would the market find it's own level and give us a new starting point? Are there some that we would be artificially propping up to their own detriment when maybe a painful cleansing is needed? I don't think this, but would like some good points against what I'm hearing. Thanks for your expertise in this matter.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:42am |
re: #526 Cap'n DOC
Are you? It's my money, too, and I don't have any 'investments' but for a house that isn't paid for. How about you?
What is your point? I don't have investments either, except for a house, and I owe under $2000 on one credit card. What if your business or employer folds and you can't find work?
You said I don't know what no deal to bail out Wall Street, followed by a financial meltdown, means. Fine. What does it mean then?
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:36:45am |
re: #532 Kenneth
My point exactly. This is like hiring burglars to install a security system.
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:37:07am |
re: #532 Kenneth
Geeesh. I wonder who that could be? Maybe he's going to do just as he said he would and NAME NAMES.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:37:44am |
re: #528 Miss Trixie
{jorline} And a good morning to you too. :D How are things in the great state of Texas today? Feeling fine today?
I'm well..thank you. It's a gorgeous day in south TX. Just wait to see what the stooges in Washington have on their agendas today.
Hope you're well and good to see you.
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:10am |
I'm just glad I have a nice car to live in after this all settles down.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:12am |
I just got a phone call form a friend who works for a small business. He went to work today and got told they will have no paychecks today cause the bank canceled the credit line.
This is how it affects Main Street folks.
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:13am |
re: #531 Irene NYC
I'm sorry to hear that.
The BF isn't sure if he'll have a job for too much longer, either
He's a mortgage broker.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:15am |
re: #529 3 wood
The DOW is down 140 already.
For those who want a melt down, enjoy the ride.
The good news is that it's on low volume.
/sidelines
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:27am |
re: #302 3 wood
Of course the market's going to drop-- we're in a recession. The only question is whether we get a crash, a hard landing or a soft landing. And government intervention can only soften the landing, not prevent it. The crap still has to get flushed from the system, and it's not a pretty picture. It's only going to get uglier, with or without the bailout.
Given that the Democrats, who control Congress, have demanded that the GOP get on board "or else", and that they've proceeded to lard up this formerly "clean" bill with their Christmas shopping list for the next twenty years, including billions for ACORN, I'd say they're playing chicken.
I don't think the GOP should back down on demands for a clean bill. I do think we need a mechanism for flushing the crap out of the system in a quick and orderly fashion. And I think some bailout money has to be committed to ensure the solvency and liquidity of the money market mutual funds and the FDIC bank deposit insurance fund at a minimum.
As long as consumers don't panic, and don't lose their conservatively invested life savings, things will self-correct. If consumers are placed at risk, all bets are off.
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:46am |
When I see this crisis I think "Who has been stealing?".
Spit, where should I aim it?
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Cap'n DOC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:38:52am |
re: #538 Tigger2005
I want a deal on OUR terms, not the freakin' people who got us into this mess. And that's what 'the deal' was - yesterday. It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:07am |
re: #533 reine.de.tout
GREAT!
Good morning, Jorline. Coffee upthread a little!
Thanks...any cake left over?
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:22am |
Coming to an America near you; the all cash economy. No loans, no cars (no car companies), no new houses (no home builders), no student loans and no college educations, no municipal bonds, no road or bridge repairs,etc..
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David IV of Georgia Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:26am |
re: #542 rawmuse
I'm just glad I have a nice car to live in after this all settles down.
My car's paid for and can sleep 4 in a pinch.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:39:57am |
There once was a man named McCain
Who suffered through torture and pain
Who, using his traits
Will make fifty states
A beacon of light again.
(was in limerick mode this morning, dunno why)
Good morning folks.
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Miss Trixie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:02am |
re: #522 realwest
Hi ya gorgeous and a big *smoooch* back to you! I'm doing ok physically today - dentist stopped the toothache pain (caused by grinding my teeth - now why would I have been grinding my teeth?! LOL!). Anyway other than that I am extremely unhappy today because of this financial meltdown that DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN!
How are you doing today, sweetie?
Och. The trouble you've had these days, luv. *huggles*
I'm just fine and soooo glad it's Firday - whataweek! Yikes! The weather has been magnificent all week with highs in the 80s and loads of sinshine - not bad for the Land of the Canucksicles in September, so I'll take it gladly. :D
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:20am |
3 Wood
Maybe you can answer this question for me.
I have a Washington Mutual credit card. I transferred a balance to it and have a very good rate. Is the rate now subject to being spiked because of this?
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jmac1492 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:23am |
Is there any word yet on the McCain plan to save the economy like was rumored upthread?
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:25am |
I'm watching the President. He will make it all better.
/
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right_on_target Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:27am |
From the New Orleans Times Picayune .....
Steve Kelley
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:40:32am |
re: #494 Tigger2005
Good morning! "They simply don't understand what this means."
Yup. Lots and lots of folks are going to either lose altogether or see a tremendous reduction in the value of their pension plans, 401's and IRA's but are also gonna be losing their jobs.Someout out here last night - or early this AM, said now was a GREAT time to buy houses (cheap) and then make a killing renting them out!
That's a great idea but since no one will loan you the money (banks won't even loan to other banks to cover the overnight discount window draws) to buy the houses and since so many people are, I seriously believe this, going to lose their jobs, who the hell are ya gonna rent to?
There is a time and place for idealogy wars; today, here and now isn't one of them. We haven't had "unfettered capitalism" in this country for over 100 years or so and to suggest - in the middle of what may be the biggest financial melt down of all time - that we "revert to it" is silly, ignorant and perhaps downright evil.
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:07am |
re: #548 Cap'n DOC
It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?
Well apparently so, that is what has gotten us into this mess.
Busting Commandment No. 1 if you ask me.
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:11am |
GWB:
There is no disagreement that something substantial must be done.
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Irene NYC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:18am |
"But there is no disagreement that something substantial needs to be done... We are going to get a package passed."
But will it be fast enough?
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joncelli Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:43am |
Well, that wasn't very informative. You can tell W's heart isn't in it anymore.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:46am |
re: #532 Kenneth
Notice that GOP senator Bob Bennett is near the top of that list as well. He's one of those mentioned in the Fox story about yesterday's negotiations.re: #551 David IV of Georgia
My car's paid for and can sleep 4 in a pinch.
Same here. Two paid-for vehicles that are in pretty good shape mechanically.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:41:48am |
re: #514 Panhandler
Oh heck, we're just one big family here, I'll break out the Drambuie tomorrow ratso, you was the man today, rest on your laurels
awwwwwwww, thanks :)
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:17am |
What? That was Bush's remarks? That's no help! "We need a plan." We all know that, Mr. President. I can't see this helping the markets at all.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:23am |
re: #534 Ojoe
May the peace of a thousand angles rest upon your shoulders, may the wind be always at your back, THANKEW
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:23am |
WOW...that was short.
We will have a bipartisan rescue plan.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:27am |
Bush repeats himself.
/didn't happen last time
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:32am |
re: #496 jorline
Good morning my friend - what was your diagnosis yesterday that scottishbuzzsaw was talking about?!
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:42:55am |
The president is now speaking, "We need a rescue plan, becuse this is a rescue" Ok "This seems like a big problem, because it is big"
There says it all. Wherever you go that's where you are.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:43:00am |
re: #565 joncelli
Well, that wasn't very informative. You can tell W's heart isn't in it anymore.
I'll bet he's counting the days. On January 20th it'll be, "Fuck it, I'm out of here!"
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:43:13am |
re: #503 Killian Bundy
WELL, WHAT? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.
/Paulson ran Goldman Sachs, Bernanke signed off on it, do you think they're idiots?
That is the point exactly. The Paulson plan had some holes, but it was working already. The market was showing that.
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:03am |
Good morning, all...
So, I'm in the car last night, and some loser columnist named Fatima Ali, who predicted a "full fledged' race war if McCain wins in November*, was lamenting that 30+% of white democrats won't vote for Obama because he is black (as an aside, I don't know if the poll that elicited that stat actually included the race of the voter). The host pointed out that a huge porportion of blacks are voting for Obama and that many have said it is because he is black. She tried to pass that off as a pride thing. The host pressed her and repeated that she said it was wrong to not vote for Obama because he was black. She agreed. So the host said, but what about voting for him because he is black. There was a brief pause, and then she said, "That's okay."
So, a (racist) judgment or choice in one direction, based upon race, is wrong to her, but a (racist) judgment or choice in the other direction, based upon race, is "okay."
We will never get beyond race being an issue in this country as long as liberal idiots like this continue to believe that it is okay to judge or make decisions on the color of one's skin. MLK must be rolling over in his grave.
Liberal logic: It is a contradiction wrapped in a paradox inside an oxymoron.
*If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness! (of course, on the show last night, she claimed she was speaking metaphorically)
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:08am |
re: #501 realwest
Good morning real!
That post was BANG ON!
This is going to be painful, and frankly it had better be painful.
The bastards in Washington got power from the wealth this boondoggle created on Wall St. If the bailout is painless, they will not learn their lessons. And if the bailout rewards ACORN & the other rackets the left have been using, we will be paying for the ruination of the US.
re: #506 3 wood
This is time for leadership and action, not posturing and political game playing.
Sneaking a clause to ban shale oil production is political game playing. They think they have the country over a barrel. The Dems have got to realize the gun is pointed at their heads.
As I understand the alternative rescue plan, the US gov't is to put up the money as assurance, but not hand it over to the firms. This puts the cost on Wall St, not the taxpayer. Equally important, the bill will not include handouts to ACORN or other leftist PACs.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:26am |
It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:45:53am |
re: #548 Cap'n DOC
I want a deal on OUR terms, not the freakin' people who got us into this mess. And that's what 'the deal' was - yesterday. It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?
What kind of question is that?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:46:27am |
re: #549 jorline
Thanks...any cake left over?
Alas, no! Cake is gone.
And it was some kind of good.
Sorry you missed it!
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:46:34am |
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:13am |
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:13am |
re: #550 Peacekeeper
Coming to an America near you; the all cash economy. No loans, no cars (no car companies), no new houses (no home builders), no student loans and no college educations, no municipal bonds, no road or bridge repairs,etc..
I wish people would realize that this could be our future.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:19am |
re: #573 realwest
Good morning my friend - what was your diagnosis yesterday that scottishbuzzsaw was talking about?!
Internist called and confirmed RA. All lab test and x-rays showed early stages of rheumatoid arthritis. I will learn more when I visit with him on the 8th of October. Until then I stay on the prednisone and wait for my rheumatologist appointment in late November. I'm on the rheumy's cancellation list already...trying to get in earlier.
How are you and what did your doc say yesterday?
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:22am |
re: #581 MandyManners
What kind of question is that?
I don't know. I think some people have gone crazy.
Money is just a symbol of real wealth, and this country is about to lose a shitload of it.
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:33am |
re: #479 Kenneth
I'm no economics, but the bailout plan as presented sure looked bad to me:
House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon, even after the New York Times reported that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi to compromise. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, wasn’t a lack of begging but a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza.
The Dems aren't satisfied for having created the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to use the rescue funds to reward the people who did this?
Something has to be done, but not just anything.
If it happens, all profits should be put into the Social Security lock box (or whatever the hell it is called). F*ck ACORN.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:42am |
re: #515 Cap'n DOC
How many times does it have to be said that the R's have attempted to clean this up - long before now. What good did that do? They (and I mean the entire lot of 'em) kept putting band-aids on major wounds, 3 wood...
And we need to fix this now.
Not next week.
Not after some debate in Mississippi
Now.
The credit markets are locked up folks. Businesses can not get short term loans for operating cash.
This is causing billions of dollars in lost production, lost wages, lost sales.
How many more banks have got to close down before we get the picture?
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:42am |
re: #577 Peacekeeper
Thank you President Hoover.
Good God, he sounds like it. mcCain & Obama should to a coin flip & the winner take over now. Unless Obama wins , the do best two out of three.
If obama wins ask Obama to name every survivor on the Titanic.
Then ask McCain to guess a number between one & three.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:47:52am |
re: #582 reine.de.tout
Alas, no! Cake is gone.
And it was some kind of good.
Sorry you missed it!
I still have some Krispy Kremes...right there on the table...
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:48:11am |
re: #583 scottishbuzzsaw
That's called "Olliver's Law of Location."
Here is the Law of the Conservation of Filth:
"You cannot clean something without getting something else dirty."
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:48:41am |
re: #580 Nevergiveup
It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?
good thinking bet Livini has thought it too huh?
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:49:12am |
re: #580 Nevergiveup
It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?
SPEW
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Irene NYC Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:49:39am |
Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.
WTF?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:49:45am |
re: #594 Ojoe
That's called "Olliver's Law of Location."
Here is the Law of the Conservation of Filth:
"You cannot clean something without getting something else dirty."
Ahh...thanks...just remembered the line in Mad Max used as a delaying tactic...
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yesandno Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:26am |
re: #519 Tigger2005
So let's hear from your experts. Is someone going to find ten trillion dollars on the sidewalk?
More likely in a brown bag by the lamp post in the corner at 3AM... in Chicago outside the ACORN office.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:29am |
re: #597 Irene NYC
Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.
WTF?
Who is he gonna debate? Old Miss's QB?
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:50:56am |
re: #463 Panhandler
Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)
So the Democrats see the bailout as an opportunity to line the coffers of their corrupt political action committees?
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:00am |
re: #597 Irene NYC
Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.
WTF?
The McCain people should stake out both airports and show his plane leaving DC and touching down in Mississippi for an ad.
Then cut to McCain in DC doing his job.
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:22am |
re: #600 Nevergiveup
Let him go the fool if McCain stays to work Mr.0bama loses
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:35am |
re: #597 Irene NYC
Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.
WTF?
I saw it too - way to go, Mr. Not Yet President.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:43am |
re: #597 Irene NYC
Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.
WTF?
Who cares. He can go down there and posture and preen all he wants.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:45am |
re: #597 Irene NYC
Fox reporting that Obama is leaving DC soon for the debate.
WTF?
All this stupid economy talk has distracted people form the one & only real issue in this campaign, "OBAMA!"
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:49am |
re: #584 loppyd
Hey, {lopps}! They don't impress me, either. Stoking the industry is all they are doing...
Sorry about the Pats... :(
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:51:59am |
Hong Kong police arrest 11 for spreading rumors about AIG
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Sounds like a sound strategy to me? We should try this on Wall Street and in Congress!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:21am |
re: #591 scottishbuzzsaw
I still have some Krispy Kremes...right there on the table...
best . . . donuts . . . ever.
Yum.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:26am |
re: #587 Tigger2005
I don't know. I think some people have gone crazy.
Money is just a symbol of real wealth, and this country is about to lose a shitload of it.
That shit about ACORN put me in a foul, foul mood.
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:47am |
re: #597 Irene NYC
He's going to Mississippi to collect the presidency that he sold his soul for. Let's hope there's a surprise in the box.
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kawfytawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:47am |
re: #504 Cap'n DOC
lighten up cap....I was just asking for more info. Some of us have housework and kids to contend with :OP
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ciaospirit Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:52:52am |
Let's keep electing people who have no financial expertise, never ran a business, and have no schooling in economics EVEN THOUGH THEIR PRIMARY JOB IS TO SPEND OUR MONEY!
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:05am |
re: #603 loppyd
The McCain people should stake out both airports and show his plane leaving DC and touching down in Mississippi for an ad.
Then cut to McCain in DC doing his job.
Brilliant.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:06am |
re: #610 reine.de.tout
Sorry, buddy. Krispy Kremes don't hold a candle to Tim Hortons.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:19am |
re: #578 rustproofs
Good morning, all...
So, I'm in the car last night, and some loser columnist named Fatima Ali, who predicted a "full fledged' race war if McCain wins in November*, was lamenting that 30+% of white democrats won't vote for ABM because he is black (as an aside, I don't know if the poll that elicited that stat actually included the race of the voter). The host pointed out that a huge proportion of blacks are voting for ABM and that many have said it is because he is black. She tried to pass that off as a pride thing. The host pressed her and repeated that she said it was wrong to not vote for ABM because he was black. She agreed. So the host said, but what about voting for him because he is black. There was a brief pause, and then she said, "That's okay."
So, a (racist) judgment or choice in one direction, based upon race, is wrong to her, but a (racist) judgment or choice in the other direction, based upon race, is "okay."
We will never get beyond race being an issue in this country as long as liberal idiots like this continue to believe that it is okay to judge or make decisions on the color of one's skin. MILK must be rolling over in his grave.
Liberal logic: It is a contradiction wrapped in a paradox inside an oxymoron.
*If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness! (of course, on the show last night, she claimed she was speaking metaphorically)
They need to remove all of Fatima Ali's ways of communicating and lock her down. She has written a lot articles about race wars and she's definitely feeding the fire.
Someone send her a one way ticket to Cuba or Venezuela...go play Che' over there.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:20am |
re: #520 opnion
Yeah my friend you're right - we do have to do something - but I don't have the answers, I'm afraid or I'd share 'em with you and everyone else.
I do know that letting Dodd, Frank, Pelosi and Reid basically write the "bailout bill" CAN'T BE GOOD. Maybe it'll help the markets short term but long term we will melt down to our economic core - hell we're almost there anyway.
I think if the McCain led Republicans can get some of the more onerous provisions taken out, the bill will be passed and will help for a while.
But McaCain is right: We need to a)ditch the damn Commmunity Redevlopment Act altogether b) stop throwing pure crap into this bill (Shale oil, credit cards and other lenders) and FOCUS on what the hell matters here!
And I know my friend Killian is gonna have a cardiac event any minute now, but the Republicans haven't yet put forth a "Plan" because I think they honestly thought they could go along with the Dem plan - but the Dem plan didn't start hangin' all the true dead wood and irrelevencies on it until THIS WEEK. The Dem's are using this to give to thier backers and posture for the election - I don't think the Repub's really thought they do that or do it to such an extent.
Now they'll have to compromise with the Dem Plan and, as usual with any damn Dem plan, we'll all wind up losing in the long run.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:26am |
re: #604 Ojoe
Let him go the fool if McCain stays to work Mr.0bama loses
uhhhh, call him if ya need him, don't forget
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Beach Lover Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:29am |
re: #501 realwestmorning {real}
thanks for the synopsis. I'm trying really hard to cut thru the crap to understand what is right and what is BS. I usually can read/hear most conservatives and know. But, this seems to be more complicated. Bottom line for me..if money is to be "made" eventually off this 'whatever you want to call it', I sure don't want congress to be in charge of spending it! I read a little of Rush's commentary yesterday and it may have already been discussed, but he was suggesting that if congress really wanted to effect the markets immediately, they could cut the capital gains tax for a short time. Seems they always want MORE $$$, but could cut some things right now and show some leadership.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:31am |
re: #611 MandyManners
That shit about ACORN put me in a foul, foul mood.
Listen to Louis again, sweetie...
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:36am |
So McCain set off a shouting match by not saying anything?
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:44am |
re: #537 Spenser (with an S)
Could you play Devil's Advocate with the scenario of a limited bailout that didn't save many of the companies? Would the market find it's own level and give us a new starting point? Are there some that we would be artificially propping up to their own detriment when maybe a painful cleansing is needed? I don't think this, but would like some good points against what I'm hearing. Thanks for your expertise in this matter.
The credit markets are frozen. Businesses live and die on their ability to access short term credit lines. For every $1 dollar banks take in in deposits, they create approximately $10 in economic expansion due to making loans. It's called the multiplier effect.
This scaled down, lets go offer insurance to the banks idea is not going to work, it's not going to fix that in time. We also have to eliminate the "mark to market" GAAP requirement that forces banks to value these deals at the "fire sale" price. I would switch to net present value of the likely cash flows. The SEC could do that today witht he stroke of a pen, but Cox is too plain stupid to get that.
Banks and small businesses are within days of closing. There is no time left for this screwing around now.
It boils down to, do we want to have a total melt down or not.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:53:58am |
re: #614 ciaospirit
Let's keep electing people who have no financial expertise, never ran a business, and have no schooling in economics EVEN THOUGH THEIR PRIMARY JOB IS TO SPEND OUR MONEY!
MBA's instead of JD's?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:20am |
re: #582 reine.de.tout
Alas, no! Cake is gone.
And it was some kind of good.
Sorry you missed it!
I'll catch it in the Lizard Cookbook. ;)
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:29am |
How about this, turn the mess over to Donald Trump?
Annoying gut with a bad comb over, but he is a business genius & he sure knows real estate.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:32am |
re: #463 Panhandler
Here's the ACORN language in the Paulson/Dodd bill. ( Courtesy of Hot Air)
Money quote:
It’s bad enough that taxpayers have to pay the price for Congress’ decade-long distortions of the lending and investment markets. If we realize a profit from the bailout, that money should go to pay down the debt or get returned to taxpayers as dividends from their investment — not to organizations committing voter fraud, and not to restarting the entire cycle of government meddling in lending markets. I’d support a rational bailout package, but anything that funds the HTF needs to get stopped.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:54:50am |
re: #523 jorline
Hey my friend - nope got to and from the dentist and the dentist fixed up my physical pain. Now if we could only get the Dem's to remember that they are AMERICANS then I'll feel a lot better!
What's up with you?!
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Ojoe Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:04am |
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:13am |
re: #608 christheprofessor
Hey, {lopps}! They don't impress me, either. Stoking the industry is all they are doing...
Sorry about the Pats... :(
Hey, you can't win them all.
The day after Brady went down, a very wise friend of mine sent me an email and reminded me that there are plenty of brave heroes at Walter Reed who would gladly take a torn ACL if they could only get their leg back to have it.
Context.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:14am |
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:18am |
re: #546 quickjustice
As long as consumers don't panic, and don't lose their conservatively invested life savings, things will self-correct. If consumers are placed at risk, all bets are off.
Banks are closing down.
It's beyond whether or not consumers don't panic.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:21am |
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:32am |
re: #580 Nevergiveup
It just occured to me that with everyone's focus on Washington and Wall Street, this might be a good time for Israel to strike Iran?
Apparently so.....
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Miss Trixie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:40am |
Anyone in the mood for some coffee cake? Hep yeselfs.
If we run out, here's some nice sticky buns when that runs out.
:D
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:40am |
re: #589 3 wood
Every bank that overloaded on bad mortgage paper is going down without a bailout. As long as federal deposit insurance is in place, consumers with bank deposits won't suffer.
We still need some bailout money. The real question now is: what are the terms of the bailout? Who is eligible? Is bad behavior rewarded? Are the incentives aligned correctly? How much of a haircut do the holders of bad paper take? And how much of a haircut do taxpayers take?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:55:47am |
re: #592 Kenneth
link to Bush talking?
Sorry for the late response, Kenneth. I was watching FOX and it was only 60 seconds in length.
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ciaospirit Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:00am |
re: #602 FrogMarch
So the Democrats see the bailout as an opportunity to line the coffers of their corrupt political action committees?
If Congress were serious about passing a bailout bill, they wouldn't even be considering earmarks. None.
Bastards. Can they make me any more sick.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:03am |
re: #617 Kenneth
Sorry, buddy. Krispy Kremes don't hold a candle to Tim Hortons.
never heard of 'em.
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NC State of Mind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:10am |
To top it off, Obama has opened a five point lead in the new Rasmussen Daily Tracking poll.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:55am |
re: #554 loppyd
I have a Washington Mutual credit card. I transferred a balance to it and have a very good rate. Is the rate now subject to being spiked because of this?
Yes.
Credit rates are rising as a result of this. LIBOR has jumped.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:56:58am |
re: #606 Ward Cleaver
Who cares. He can go down there and posture and preen all he wants.
Ya know it has been bugging me, trying to think who or what
Obama reminds be of. Then I came to me, a male model.
Not real bright, his suit hangs well. Ok , the ears thing, but that can be fixed.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:57:19am |
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:57:22am |
re: #618 jorline
They need to remove all of Fatima Ali's ways of communicating and lock her down. She has written a lot articles about race wars and she's definitely feeding the fire.
Someone send her a one way ticket to Cuba or Venezuela...go play Che' over there.
She got something like 10K hate e-mails in response to that column. And her response? She said the race war had already begun...
I think the word "beeyatch" was invented for that particular race hustler...
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ciaospirit Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:57:54am |
re: #629 opnion
How about this, turn the mess over to Donald Trump?
Annoying gut with a bad comb over, but he is a business genius & he sure knows real estate.
He's gone bankrupt at least three times, IIRC.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:18am |
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:31am |
re: #557 jorline
Bush: We need a rescue plan.
Yeah, some leadership, huh?
Bush, get your butt up to Capital Hill and start brokering a deal. Now.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:31am |
Did Bush say something?
/seriously, did I miss it?
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:58:47am |
re: #640 Miss Trixie
Anyone in the mood for some coffee cake? Hep yeselfs.
If we run out, here's some nice sticky buns when that runs out.
:D
To heck with the diet...(dives in)...thanks Miss Trixie.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:06am |
re: #626 Ojoe
She's threatening violence to get her way
She sucks and she's yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Screw her first amendment rights...that right goes out the window when you're trying to incite a race war.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:21am |
re: #654 Killian Bundy
Did Bush say something?
/seriously, did I miss it?
60 seconds - the legislative process is not pretty, but it will . . . do something.
I think that was the gist.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:22am |
re: #654 Killian Bundy
Did Bush say something?
/seriously, did I miss it?
If you blinked, then yes...
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:25am |
Recession/Depression? those were the salad days of the Democratic party. Maybe they figure they can blame Bush and go one to inherit the whole shebang. Bastards.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 6:59:34am |
re: #650 ciaospirit
He's gone bankrupt at least three times, IIRC.
Yeah he has, but he always gets it back. Time to get it back.
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:06am |
re: #634 loppyd
Hey, you can't win them all.
The day after Brady went down, a very wise friend of mine sent me an email and reminded me that there are plenty of brave heroes at Walter Reed who would gladly take a torn ACL if they could only get their leg back to have it.
Context.
Definitely a very wise friend...
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:16am |
re: #619 realwest
Melt down now, melt down later. What's the diff? Not much.
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:22am |
re: #646 3 wood
Yes.
Credit rates are rising as a result of this. LIBOR has jumped.
Unfortunately I know what LIBOR is.
We have an ARM that we can't refinance because the jackass who developed our building into condos kept one for himself and is in litigation with both the city and a neighbor. We cannot get a mortgage when there is pending litigation involving any of the unit owners.
The LIBOR going up means serious problems for us.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:00:23am |
How come the dow is rebounding? And not plunging?
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ciaospirit Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:01:43am |
The Prosecutor's office in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland area) is looking into ACORN voter fraud as we speak. So not only have they been convicted of it in the past, they continue to do it and apparently have no intention of stopping.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:01:54am |
HUH! ... sticky buns?
I've been lurking for several minutes and haven't seen a tro ... oh, uh, never mind
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:02:04am |
CNN.com is saying that if McCain doesn't show tonight, the debate will go to a town-hall format, with Obama answering unscripted audience questions.
HA HA HA. That would be priceless! Obama doesn't need to debate McCain to look bad.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:02:28am |
re: #579 Kenneth
A
s I understand the alternative rescue plan, the US gov't is to put up the money as assurance, but not hand it over to the firms. This puts the cost on Wall St, not the taxpayer. Equally important, the bill will not include handouts to ACORN or other leftist PACs.
Kenneth, that might have worked 6 months ago. It is too late for that now. Banks are closing. The credit market is frozen.
There is not time to talk about issuing insurance.
You have got to get the bad loans off the banks books. Now.
Anything short of that will not work.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:02:32am |
re: #617 Kenneth
Sorry, buddy. Krispy Kremes don't hold a candle to Tim Hortons.
Who he? Local, regional, or national?
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:03:18am |
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:03:54am |
re: #665 Nevergiveup
How come the dow is rebounding? And not plunging?
Very short term reaction to the President talking. Stand back, it will plummet soon.
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:14am |
re: #667 taxfreekiller
Sarah Palin,
Get on TV some how, just say this.
"Put the bad loans on the net a "Mortgage bail out E-bay" ,
let investors world wide bid on these loans, have a mim. bid,
and let them be sold, have mortgage service firms bid for the
work of servicing the loans"That my dear Ms. Palin would solve the problem with out one
dime of our tax money.Yours true,
taxfreekiller
rah, rah TFK. What an outstanding idea.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:22am |
re: #576 3 wood
You know I like and respect you a LOT - but Paulson's plan wasn't Paulson's plan by the start of yesterday - it had been so larded up it was barely recognizable. I think the street reacted the way it did just because the Street was stupid enough to believe that ANY bailout plan would work. Paulson know's what he's doing, the Dems haven't got a fucking clue, but it's the Dems, not Paulson, who are running this show now and they have taken Paulson's relatively straight forward bill and made it something to reward their political constitutuents and, by the way, maybe help out where the fianancial help is needed the most.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:46am |
re: #656 jorline
She sucks and she's yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Screw her first amendment rights...that right goes out the window when you're trying to incite a race war.
She wants to see that the peaceful transition of power becomes a quaint historical anomaly.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:04:51am |
oh man, they just played the Bush 60 second statement.
I do not believe that Bush is stupid, but I half expected him to say, "The economy is like a box of chocolates" Very Forrest Gump.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:01am |
re: #623 Who Watches the Watchmen?
So McCain set off a shouting match by not saying anything?
It was his droopy eyelid. The Dems thought he was giving them the stinkeye.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:20am |
re: #672 scottishbuzzsaw
Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.
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yesandno Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:27am |
Don't think anyone is against 'a' solution...just from 'this' solution.
Legislation should deal with the bailout, not protection of every blade of grass in the botanical garden that is in trouble.
Get every single side issue off the bill and then deal with it. People who loose the house can rent...because that is basically what they are doing now...they have no real dollar investment in the home now.
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ciaospirit Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:31am |
And then there's this. China is out of control.
The Hong Kong government says it has found traces of melamine in baby cereals and crackers made in China in an expanding scandal over Chinese milk and other food products tainted with the industrial chemical.
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:36am |
Uh, remember people, the Paulson proposal IS the GOP plan. And if it had stayed clean, and the cap were lowered, I'd say it was worth supporting.
At the moment, it's Congress that's melting down. Paulson is saying the crisis is so serious that moral hazard must be disregarded for a rescue. The GOP is obsessed with moral hazard. And the Democrats are treating this as another opportunity to line their own pockets, business as usual.
Everyone is fiddling as the economy burns, people.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:43am |
re: #631 realwest
Hey my friend - nope got to and from the dentist and the dentist fixed up my physical pain. Now if we could only get the Dem's to remember that they are AMERICANS then I'll feel a lot better!
What's up with you?!
I agree with your excellent post, RW. I'm so pissed off at everyone in Washington at this time. I stated yesterday that they should set the example by taking a 5% pay cut and freeze their wages until we're out of this mess. I'm hearing about a 25 billion earmark for the auto industry? WTF! No sleep for any of these pricks until they fix this problem.
Congress should be ticketed for DWI-O (drunk while in office). Split the 700 billion between all of these yahoo's.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:05:46am |
re: #645 NC State of Mind
To top it off, Obama has opened a five point lead in the new Rasmussen Daily Tracking poll.
Take heart.
If Obama wins, he will reside over a shit economy. The corrupt democrats will attempt to socialize everything while Obama stuffs every cabinet and government position with a fellow William Ayers-type communists. The nation will spiral down and Obama will anger many. Obama, if elected, will be the second coming of Jimmy Carter.
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Tigger2005 Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:32am |
It was nice while it lasted. I had hope up to now. I think next week we are all going to wake up in a very different America. Some here think this is a good thing. I agree that things needed to change and that recessions are not necessarily a bad thing. But this is not a recession, people. In a recession, life and business go on.
I don't know how the small nonprofit I work for will survive this. There isn't much time but I guess I better plan to be without work in 3 or 4 weeks.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:36am |
re: #679 ploome hineni
............we would like, if possible to have the cookbooks available for CHRISTMAS GIVING...it will be mailed to you or your recipient for Christmas, for a cost of about $10.................maybe 2 dollars more
GREAT GIFT....no mucho dinero
so send in those recipes...TOUTE SUITE
and please, notify everyone you email with on LGF...let this go viral
(so to speak)
God willing and the creek don't rise, I'll buy one.
reine already has a recipe from me.
Thanks to both of you for doing this, ploome.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:38am |
Interesting...the Dow came back up 60 points after the initial 137 point drop.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:06:50am |
re: #682 Kenneth
Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.
Nothing within 50 miles of my town...yet!
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joncelli Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:31am |
re: #691 Who Watches the Watchmen?
What do the traders know that we don't? Maybe the Democrats blinked and word leaked out? If McCain goes front and center with a bill the Congressional GOP will sign off on, then debates Obambi tonight, it will be a one-two punch.
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:41am |
re: #649 christheprofessor
She got something like 10K hate e-mails in response to that column. And her response? She said the race war had already begun...
I think the word "beeyatch" was invented for that particular race hustler...
She's bad news...perhaps a black jihadist?
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:08:44am |
I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.....
Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan.....
Told them I was suicidal....
They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:06am |
Gosh, I hate "dance away lovers".
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:11am |
re: #682 Kenneth
Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.
Hmmm... that could be interesting. I tried Krispy Kreme donuts, and I was unimpressed. That goo they put on them? Didn't like it.
Years ago we had a chain in Dallas called Lone Star Donuts, and we would always say, "I'm going to get some LSD".
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:13am |
Folks - the election is already over. The fix is in.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:47am |
re: #641 quickjustice
Every bank that overloaded on bad mortgage paper is going down without a bailout. As long as federal deposit insurance is in place, consumers with bank deposits won't suffer.
I beg to differ.
Most of those loans will be good if held to maturity. Problem is the banks have to value them according to the accounting rules at the 'Mark to market" price is they had to sell it today. Since in this market that is likely 20 cents on the dollar, they have to then hold onto all their capital (and not loan it out) in order to be able to write down the loans to the fire sale value. That has frozen the credit markets.
So therefore, the banks can not lend out short term money to business to finance their accounts receivables, payrolls etc, and commerce is slowing to a crawl. So consumers of those banks are going to suffer, big time.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:09:59am |
re: #693 ploome hineni
Reine is awesome, she is doing the heavy lifting
lets all send in tose recipes, with link to your avatar.....and some quote or comment so we can all have a momento of this great blog AND SUPPORT chARLES AND THE troops
Are you going to put avatars in? I've got a small jpg of mine which I can e-mail.
reine ..... ?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:05am |
re: #696 eschew_obfuscation
I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.....
Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan.....
Told them I was suicidal....
They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.
Upding! I meant to upding!
Whew! Glad Charles fixed that.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:08am |
re: #692 scottishbuzzsaw
If you get a chance, give them some business. Regular Canadians love them: they don't sell flavoured grande soy lattes, they sell "coffee".
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nyc redneck Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:10am |
good morning everyone,
it's raining and dreary here. kind of suits my mood.
i woke up thinking abt. human greed and easy access to all that money laying around.
loans being given to people (who obviously couldn't pay them back) by people who got bonuses for giving the money. and no one around to lay down the law and say this is a short lived bad proposition.
because most of them were benefiting too.
it was an orgy of greed. very disgusting. but an almost inevitable result in a situation like this.
it's like all these people were gorging at a buffet expecting the waiters to just keep bringing the food forever.
now it's an empty filthy table. the party's over and we get to clean up the mess.
even if there is a 'bail out', if the system isn't changed it will grind to a halt in the future because socialism depresses the best people in any society. eventually they will get tired of doing all the work.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:11am |
re: #696 eschew_obfuscation
I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.....
Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan.....
Told them I was suicidal....
They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.
*shaking head*
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Killian Bundy Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:13am |
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:25am |
Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:10:36am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:11:35am |
re: #704 Kenneth
If you get a chance, give them some business. Regular Canadians love them: they don't sell flavoured grande soy lattes, they sell "coffee".
Will do...real coffee is the only thing I drink!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:11:46am |
re: #700 3 wood
I keep hearing they should just change the "accounting principles". What do you think?
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:12:20am |
Ok three things:
1. The dems could pass the package now, they have enough votes. But they will NOT because they want more Republican votes.
2. Reid has added a "no shale oil" thing to it. Which means the ban that will expire on Oct 1, will be back ON because he is adding this to the bailout plan.
3. Obama is flying out of Washington at 11. He is going to Mississippi. I do not think that McCain will go without a plan in place.
So does Obama look smart for going and getting 90 minutes to himself on prime time tv or does he look selfish and stupid for not staying and trying to fix this mess?
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:12:38am |
re: #694 joncelli
What do the traders know that we don't? Maybe the Democrats blinked and word leaked out? If McCain goes front and center with a bill the Congressional GOP will sign off on, then debates Obambi tonight, it will be a one-two punch.
That is the most favorable scenario. Slothful Barry has to leave DC early, you know where his paying job is at, to get back to rest up for the debate.
McCain whisks in at the last minute after doing his job & stopping the Dems from foisting more corruption on the taxpayers.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:13:20am |
Krauthammer has the right idea:
Capping executive pay is piffle. What we need are a few exemplary hangings. Public hangings. On television. Pick a few failed investment firms, lead their CEOs in chains through the canyons of Manhattan and give the mob satisfaction. Better still, precede the auto-da-fe -- fire is highly telegenic -- with 24-hour reality-TV coverage of their recantations, lamentations and final visits with the soon-to-be widowed. The ratings would dwarf "American Idol," and the ad revenue alone would make the perfect down payment on the $700 billion.
Whatever it takes to clear our heads.
But don't stop with Wall Street, take the show to Washington, too.
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MandyManners Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:13:30am |
re: #708 jorline
Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?
'Cause he's a fucking jerk.
Next question?
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:13:36am |
re: #677 realwest
Real, the deal in principle was working yesterday, the market reaction yesterday showed that.
Now WaMu has folded. I keep hearing from business connections that they can't get credit now.
It's a train wreck.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:14:15am |
re: #705 nyc redneck
Don't worry nyc, your local representatives are doing their small part to alleviate the situation.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:14:24am |
re: #718 MandyManners
I love the subtle nuance of your ideas.
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opnion Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:14:46am |
Later Lizards. Gotta go drive the highways of Middle America, where all the bitter , clingy types reside.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:11am |
re: #621 Beach Lover
Hey good morning {Beach Lover}! Well Rush's plan has some appealing aspects to it, but I'm afraid - as is usual with Rush - he hasn't done any sorta deep analysis here: Paulson's plan was FINE until the Dems started hanging all their pet projects on it, like ornaments on a Christmas tree.
And my objection to that isn't partisanship either - addng in the ban on shale oil, helping out Lenders (credit cards etc) whom we already protected in 2006 with the truly remarkable re-write of the Bankruptcy law, in fact DETRACTS SO much from Paulson's plan that I think the markets would crash and burn anyway - maybe take another couple of months - if that - but still crash and burn.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:23am |
These people are putting politics above my family.
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Karridine Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:39am |
re: #705 nyc redneck
i woke up thinking abt. human greed and easy access to all that money laying around. Loans being given to people (who obviously couldn't pay them back) by people who got bonuses for giving the money. and no one around to lay down the law and say this isa short lived bad propositionlong-term, BAD prostitution of your positions, your very SELVES.
/with all due respect, Redneck...
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:15:41am |
re: #714 Typicalwhitey
Ok three things:
1. The dems could pass the package now, they have enough votes. But they will NOT because they want more Republican votes.
2. Reid has added a "no shale oil" thing to it. Which means the ban that will expire on Oct 1, will be back ON because he is adding this to the bailout plan.
3. Obama is flying out of Washington at 11. He is going to Mississippi. I do not think that McCain will go without a plan in place.
So does Obama look smart for going and getting 90 minutes to himself on prime time tv or does he look selfish and stupid for not staying and trying to fix this mess?
If it plays out this way, McCain should make a campaign add outlining all the chicanery of the Dems in trying to milk the bailout, naming names. Put it before the American people once and for all who is screwing them and who isn't.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:01am |
re: #686 taxfreekiller
The credit markets are not frozen, you can check the County Clerk filings nation wide, deals are closing at a good rate for this time of year as always.
Those are deals that were negotiated weeks ago.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:44am |
re: #705 nyc redneck
good morning everyone,
it's raining and dreary here. kind of suits my mood.
i woke up thinking abt. human greed and easy access to all that money laying around.
loans being given to people (who obviously couldn't pay them back) by people who got bonuses for giving the money. and no one around to lay down the law and say this is a short lived bad proposition.
because most of them were benefiting too.
it was an orgy of greed. very disgusting. but an almost inevitable result in a situation like this.
it's like all these people were gorging at a buffet expecting the waiters to just keep bringing the food forever.
now it's an empty filthy table. the party's over and we get to clean up the mess.even if there is a 'bail out', if the system isn't changed it will grind to a halt in the future because socialism depresses the best people in any society. eventually they will get tired of doing all the work.
{nyc redneck} Mornin' sweetie...
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:45am |
Who wants to make a be that the three upcoming debates are fixed.
Obama got the questions ahead of time.
I would bet my house on it.
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:50am |
I don't understand why, given the marvels of modern technology, McCain can't debate from Washington with a camera hook-up? Do the rules say they both must be there? It would look really good: McCain doing his job, Obama campaigning.
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outsidephilly Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:16:51am |
re: #561 Ojoe
It's only money, Tigger. Is that what we're worshipping these days?
Well apparently so, that is what has gotten us into this mess.
Busting Commandment No. 1 if you ask me.
Well said!
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:00am |
re: #719 3 wood
A train wreck? Have all the trains gone off the track or only a few cars? The deal struck yesterday stunk because it rewarded the scoundrels who created this mess. If a better deal is truck today or Saturday, will it be too late to stop a complete melt down?
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jorline Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:02am |
re: #718 MandyManners
'Cause he's a fucking jerk.
Next question?
Good morning, Mandy. Nothing like plain speak first thing in the morning.
I would love to see you head up this rescue project and good luck to anyone who stands in your way.
sic'm Mandy
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:07am |
re: #700 3 wood
I'm happy to go along with Gingrich's proposal to change "mark to market", but I'm sure you understand that failing to flush bad ("non-performing") paper down the toilet means it stays on the books of the banks, crapping up a recovery for years.
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ciaospirit Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:14am |
re: #699 FrogMarch
Folks - the election is already over. The fix is in.
I wrote to Brunner and asked how they are going to stop ACORN and their fraudulent voters. No response.
Ohio accepts driver's license as ID. What about the illegals who have fraudulent driver's licenses?
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:19am |
now it's 62.04
OK, I'm going to stop now....
LOL
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:30am |
re: #723 realwest
Hey good morning {Beach Lover}! Well Rush's plan has some appealing aspects to it, but I'm afraid - as is usual with Rush - he hasn't done any sorta deep analysis here: Paulson's plan was FINE until the Dems started hanging all their pet projects on it, like ornaments on a Christmas tree.
And my objection to that isn't partisanship either - addng in the ban on shale oil, helping out Lenders (credit cards etc) whom we already protected in 2006 with the truly remarkable re-write of the Bankruptcy law, in fact DETRACTS SO much from Paulson's plan that I think the markets would crash and burn anyway - maybe take another couple of months - if that - but still crash and burn.
Hey real!
Those are the reasons why the House Republicans will NOT sign on to this deal.
Did you know that 20% of the profits will go to ACORN?
TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS.
DEPOSITS.Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2).
USE OF DEPOSITS.Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1)
65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and
35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569).
REMAINDER DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY.All amounts remaining after payments under paragraph (1) shall be paid into the General Fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt.
This is why McCain is there.
He is trying to stop this stupid shit and get a REAL bill.
He will deliver!
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christheprofessor Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:17:52am |
re: #724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
These people are putting politics above my family.
So what else is new? They habitually put themselves and their families above the country and the rest of us and our families...
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:00am |
re: #714 Typicalwhitey
Ok three things:
1. The dems could pass the package now, they have enough votes. But they will NOT because they want more Republican votes.
2. Reid has added a "no shale oil" thing to it. Which means the ban that will expire on Oct 1, will be back ON because he is adding this to the bailout plan.
3. Obama is flying out of Washington at 11. He is going to Mississippi. I do not think that McCain will go without a plan in place.
So does Obama look smart for going and getting 90 minutes to himself on prime time tv or does he look selfish and stupid for not staying and trying to fix this mess?
doesn't matter. The media will spin it to obama's advantage.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:29am |
re: #624 3 wood
Well
We also have to eliminate the "mark to market" GAAP requirement that forces banks to value these deals at the "fire sale" price. I would switch to net present value of the likely cash flows. The SEC could do that today witht he stroke of a pen, but Cox is too plain stupid to get that.
isn't going to happen because it's too easy and doesn't give the Dems the political - albeit Pyhrric victory they want.
But you're right about it.
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uptight Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:37am |
Listen up Lizardoids. I know many people here are critical of Obama and point to his lack of experience.
Well I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but BamBam played a full and active role in the efforts to float the bail out plan. He sat at the table with the proper politicians and played his part like the best of them.
Don't believe me? Well here's the proof.
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:18:51am |
re: #708 jorline
Obama is a great fan of William Faulkner's. Plus, Oxford has several great Bar-B-Q joints and bars. ;-)
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:10am |
re: #736 jorline
Good morning, Mandy. Nothing like plain speak first thing in the morning.
I would love to see you head up this rescue project and good luck to anyone who stands in your way.sic'm Mandy
And may she bring a sh*tload of clue-bats!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:24am |
re: #743 realwest
Hang on a second y'all. I have to go look up "Pyhrric" victory.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:19:58am |
re: #744 uptight
Listen up Lizardoids. I know many people here are critical of Obama and point to his lack of experience.
Well I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but BamBam played a full and active role in the efforts to float the bail out plan. He sat at the table with the proper politicians and played his part like the best of them.
Don't believe me? Well here's the proof.
ROTFLMAO!
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:06am |
re: #712 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I keep hearing they should just change the "accounting principles". What do you think?
They need to switch from 'mark to market" to net present value. Mark to market makes no sense with a 20 or 30 year loan and it forces you to undervalue the deal in a down market like this.
They also need to reinstall the "uptick rule" (not an accounting rule but an SEC rule).
And they need to either lift the short sale ban or close the loop holes in it. Right now, specialists and options traders can still short sell and that causes a rigged market.
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:28am |
re: #744 uptight
Listen up Lizardoids. I know many people here are critical of Obama and point to his lack of experience.
Well I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but BamBam played a full and active role in the efforts to float the bail out plan. He sat at the table with the proper politicians and played his part like the best of them.
Don't believe me? Well here's the proof.
LOL LOL LOL
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:43am |
re: #735 Kenneth
Drop dead time will be Sat PM by 10 or so, if there isn't something good in place before the Asian markets open the money flowing out of the US market will bring everything to the ground.
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:52am |
re: #730 loppyd
DOW down only 71.76
Lot of people thinking there must be a last minute deal in the air. MUST BE.
Good luck.
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:58am |
re: #738 ciaospirit
I wrote to Brunner and asked how they are going to stop ACORN and their fraudulent voters. No response.
Ohio accepts driver's license as ID. What about the illegals who have fraudulent driver's licenses?
from the article:
The most critical issue might be decided within the next few days. Secretary Brunner has unilaterally opened a one-week window, from September 30-October 6, for absentee voters to register and cast a ballot on the same day, with only the last four digits of th Social Security number needed to vote. No ID, no problem.
This method, of course, opens up the system to massive voter fraud. Not only that, but state law requires that voters be registered 30 days in advance of when they vote — a provision of the law that Brunner’s week-long window openly flaunts. The Ohio GOP filed a lawsuit with the Ohio Supreme Court earlier this month to put a stop to the practice.
Brunner is going to force, by fraud, an Obama win.
Get used to it. Once the ONE communist is in, the dems are going to create an army of Brunners.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:59am |
re: #744 uptight
LOL ROFLMAO! That's the best photo-shop in ages!
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:20:59am |
Barney Frank is an idiot.
He keeps lying and saying there was a deal when THERE WAS NO DEAL.
Only did that to make McCain look foolish for going to Washington.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:21:05am |
re: #748 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hang on a second y'all. I have to go look up "Pyhrric" victory.
Yes, of course. A Pyhrric Victory (rubs chin intelligently).
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:21:39am |
re: #747 taxfreekiller
The BF is closing two loans today and has several in the pipeline.
He is nervous he will lose his job because people will think they can't get a loan.
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:22:27am |
re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes, of course. A Pyhrric Victory (rubs chin intelligently).
I don't think we're looking at a Pyrrhic victory yet. More like the Romans at Cannae (long after Pyrrhus).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:22:51am |
re: #749 ploome hineni
you are joking?
Ploome, good morning.
You people still don't understand that I am a mouth breathing idiot?
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:09am |
re: #760 Typicalwhitey
Barney Frank is an idiot.
He keeps lying and saying there was a deal when THERE WAS NO DEAL.
Only did that to make McCain look foolish for going to Washington.
Another MA political hack.
I apologize on behalf of all sane people in MA for inflicting this boob on the country.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:10am |
re: #764 arethusa
I don't think we're looking at a Pyrrhic victory yet. More like the Romans at Cannae (long after Pyrrhus).
Oh shit. BRB!
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Peacekeeper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:43am |
Gonna go do something, see you in a few hundred points.
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Karridine Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:48am |
re: #732 FrogMarch
Who wants to make a be that the three upcoming debates are fixed.
Obama got the questions ahead of time.I would bet my house on it.
So, Froggie, McCain does it like THIS:
Moderator: Here's a softball question Senators, about what you think America should do about Wall Street?
Obama: Wall Street... yada-yada... blah-blah...
McCain: We really need to examine Mr Franks' and Mr Raines' contributions to ALL the economic problems facing us today, since they are Mr Obama's financial advisers at this time, even after milking personal payoffs from FNMA and helping to torpedo FRMC!
KLANG!
/and he continues to say WHATEVER HE WANTS to every question from the conniving 'moderator'... even if Obama got the questions ahead of time, McCain can re-define and steer the questions to HIS advantage! :D
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:51am |
re: #662 rawmuseMelt down now means we gotta start over and tens of millions of Americans will suffer enormously; stave it off for a while and HOPE that Congress gets it's head out of it's ass and there's a chance we can save it all.
3 Wood is right; banks aren't lending money to anyone and businesses - ESPECIALLY small businesses NEED their lines of credit to pay employees while they wait for their invoices to be be paid.
Fuck the Dem's - they apparently either don't know or don't care what they are doing.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:23:52am |
re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes, of course. A Pyhrric Victory (rubs chin intelligently).
Pyhrrus was a ancient general who, though often beating his enemy armies, invariable lost more of his own men & couldn't replace them. Hence a Pyhrric victory is one where you win now, but lose down the road. Winning a battle, but losing a war.
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:24:47am |
A man is dining in a fancy restaurant and there is gorgeous redhead sitting at the next table. He has been checking her out since he sat down, but lacks the nerve to talk with her.
Suddenly she sneezes, and her glass eye comes flying out of it's socket toward the man. He reflexively reaches out, grabs it out of the air, and hands it back.
"Oh my, I am so sorry", the woman says as she pops her eye back into place.
"Let me buy your dinner to make it up to you", she says.
They enjoy a wonderful dinner together, and afterward, they go to the theater followed by drinks. They talk, they laugh, she shares her deepest dreams and he shares his. She listens.
After paying for everything, she asks him if he would like to come to her place for a nightcap and stay for breakfast. They have a wonderful, wonderful time.
The next morning, she cooks a gourmet meal with all the trimmings. The guy is amazed. Everything had been SO incredible! "You know", he said, "you are the perfect woman. Are you this nice to every guy you meet?"
"No", she replies....."You just happened to catch my eye".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:13am |
re: #772 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I knew that! (no i didn't)
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:18am |
re: #666 ratso
NOPE, not yet - no gas in Charlotte or most of the Southwestern Piedmont of N.C.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:25:38am |
If we don't get an agreement soon the economy will collapse sooner. If we get an agreement that enriches ACORN and others, and doesn't really fix the problems, it will collapse later.
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:07am |
re: #765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ploome, good morning.
You people still don't understand that I am a mouth breathing idiot?
Yeah, we understand, but you're OUR mouth breathing idiot and Lizard blood is thick.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:08am |
Good morning all. Was anyone else having trouble logging in this Morning? I kept getting an error message saying that the site was unavailable.
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:52am |
re: #773 eschew_obfuscation
Heh. Although the current crisis is more reminiscent of "I'll gladly repay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today."
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ratso Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:26:54am |
bummer bud, bummer re: #775 realwest
NOPE, not yet - no gas in Charlotte or most of the Southwestern Piedmont of N.C.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:09am |
re: #779 Panhandler
Like I say about Virginia Tech football. "They're thugs, but they're OUR thugs!"
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uptight Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:14am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:19am |
re: #780 Ford_Prefect
Good morning all. Was anyone else having trouble logging in this Morning? I kept getting an error message saying that the site was unavailable.
Rightymouse had the same problem, and I think one other lizard...both IE...
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:26am |
re: #735 Kenneth
If a better deal is truck today or Saturday, will it be too late to stop a complete melt down?
I have absolutely no confidence now that a deal will be done.
Look at the business failures that have occurred already. How many more do we want?
Feast your eyes on this, those who think this is no big deal:
Central banks attempt money-market rescue
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Nervous commercial banks remain unwilling to lend money to each other, heightening tensions in crucial money markets and prompting the world's biggest central banks on Friday to pour additional funds into the financial system.
The Federal Reserve announced it had added $13 billion to currency swap lines with major central banks, making a total of $290 billion available for dollar loans to foreign commercial banks. The move marked the third time since last week the Fed has upped the amount of dollars available through overseas central banks.
The Fed, the European Central Bank, the Bank of England and the Swiss National Bank also announced joint efforts to pump dollars into money markets through one-week loans aimed at easing funding tensions through the end of the quarter.
"Central banks continue to work together closely and are prepared to take further steps as needed to address the ongoing pressures in funding markets," the central banks said.
Money-market tensions grew after congressional talks on the U.S. Treasury's proposed $700 billion bank rescue plan stalled Thursday.
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:27:48am |
re: #772 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Pyhrrus was a ancient general who, though often beating his enemy armies, invariable lost more of his own men & couldn't replace them. Hence a Pyhrric victory is one where you win now, but lose down the road. Winning a battle, but losing a war.
PyRRhus. Sorry. I teach this period of history. I can't help myself.
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joncelli Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:14am |
re: #783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, when they aren't being beaten by ECU (grumble brumble).
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Beach Lover Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:21am |
well on the bright side....at least it may slow down all those credit card applications in the mail every day!
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quickjustice Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:42am |
re: #786 3 wood
It's very important to our economy that the money markets stay afloat.
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n in wi Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:28:50am |
re: #760 Typicalwhitey
All I hear Barney Frank talk about is getting that Waskely Wabbit
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:29:19am |
re: #686 taxfreekiller
Sorry TFK but you are quite simply wrong about that.
Banks aren't even lending to other banks at the overnight discount window - they are not funding (mostly small) businees lines of credit which are needed to meet - if nothing else - payroll.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:29:19am |
re: #788 joncelli
Well, when they aren't being beaten by ECU (grumble brumble).
Point taken. Of course USC had a forgettable night last night. Trojan players probably worried about their Graft investments.
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:06am |
Now they can't even agree in Congress on when to meet today to start working on the deal again.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:07am |
re: #792 ploome hineni
I think LGF is under some sort of attack
I had to download firefox toget in
MSN aborted the link to LGF....could not do it
Same here - I had to switch to Firefox to log in. Same thing happened yesterday morning.
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:17am |
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Karridine Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:33am |
re: #787 arethusa
I know whatchoo mean... I'm cursed with a proofreader's eye...
/which just noted the clock on the clubhouse wall... Mickey's right hand is on the NINE and his left hand covers his crotch, so it must be 2130 here in suburban Bangkok... time to fade into the sunset...
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NC State of Mind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:30:33am |
re: #776 ploome hineni
we are watching how deceit and determination can grab power
and delude a significant portion of population
watching the manipulation of the American people is very scary
and I am sure our enemies are taking note
The worst part about this whole mess is Putin and A-jad salivating and plotting how to take advantage when we are at our weakest.
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nyc redneck Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:04am |
i was really impressed w/ some of the speakers yesterday evening at the rally.
the iranian woman was amazing.
she said there are thousands of political prisoners in iran who have been jailed and tortured for speaking out against the mullahs.
her father, a journalist, is one of them. she said people in iran want democracy and freedom but are held hostage by these monstrous dictators.
an iranian jewish man spoke of the hideous persecution of jews in moslem countries. and the escalation of this persecution to include christians. all soon to be non-existent people in islamic countries.
systematic annihilation.
he expressed shock that people just go abt. their daily lives ignoring this horror committed in the name of the rop.
a gathering storm.
the catholic priest was great too. he really slammed the misguided 'christians' who were hosting the "shit slinging monkey" dictator in such lavish style.
these people spoke out, so forcefully and honestly. no bogus nuance.
i loved it.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:40am |
re: #770 Karridine
McCain: We really need to examine Mr Franks' and Mr Raines' contributions to ALL the economic problems facing us today, since they are Mr Obama's financial advisers at this time, even after milking personal payoffs from FNMA and helping to torpedo FRMC!
KLANG!
Yes, Upding
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3 wood Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:41am |
re: #790 quickjustice
It's very important to our economy that the money markets stay afloat.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
We don't have time to screw around with issuing insurance plans from some mythical insurance company to the banks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:42am |
re: #799 Karridine
How's the rest of the world doing Karridine? They watching this with concern?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:31:54am |
re: #801 nyc redneck
i was really impressed w/ some of the speakers yesterday evening at the rally.
the iranian woman was amazing.
she
said there are thousands of political prisoners in iran who have been
jailed and tortured for speaking out against the mullahs.
her
father, a journalist, is one of them. she said people in iran want
democracy and freedom but are held hostage by these monstrous dictators.
an
iranian jewish man spoke of the hideous persecution of jews in moslem
countries. and the escalation of this persecution to include
christians. all soon to be non-existent people in islamic countries.
systematic annihilation.
he expressed shock that people just go abt. their daily lives ignoring this horror committed in the name of the rop.
a gathering storm.
the
catholic priest was great too. he really slammed the misguided
'christians' who were hosting the "shit slinging monkey" dictator in
such lavish style.
these people spoke out, so forcefully and honestly. no bogus nuance.
i loved it.
I would have loved to have seen that!
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:33:42am |
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SecondComing Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:34:54am |
Charles, I'm not sure that you'll see this but just thought I would throw it out there. I couldn't get into LGF this morning at work. I was using IE. Probably IE6 but I'm not sure. It gave me this message:
"Internet Explorer cannot open the internet site [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] Operation aborted"
I thought my work blocked the site at first. Not being a computer whiz, I still don't know what's going on. Other than the site not supporting older versions of IE perhaps.
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nyc redneck Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:34:56am |
re: #731 scottishbuzzsaw
{nyc redneck} Mornin' sweetie...
hey there {scottishbuzzsaw}
how are YOU this morning?
:)
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:35:20am |
re: #708 jorline
Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?
He's afraid he'll forget his responses to the questions without the use of a teleprompter.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:35:48am |
re: #809 taxfreekiller
You do? Says the man with a Chicago Econ degree looking for a job.
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:35:50am |
re: #792 ploome hineni
I think LGF is under some sort of attack
I had to download firefox toget in
MSN aborted the link to LGF....could not do it
That is what I just did. I was having all kinds of issues with explorer, though only on LGF from what I could see.
I got a new computer at work recently and explorer was on it so I just used that. I am actually glad to be back on Firefox anyway.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:35am |
re: #812 Honorary Yooper
He's afraid he'll forget his responses to the questions without the use of a teleprompter.
Obama will probably fly to Oxford, England - probably thinks he's getting an honorary degree or something.
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:45am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:46am |
re: #811 nyc redneck
hey there {scottishbuzzsaw}
how are YOU this morning?
:)
Doing just fine despite the worries...thanks for sharing what happened at the rally...wish I could have been there...
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Beach Lover Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:36:46am |
If the dems see this as a chance to pin a failure of a "plan" on McCain, then look for them to stall on working on it. Afterall..my first thought that they were anxious to work this out, didn't sit right with their normal MO.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:37:15am |
re: #719 3 wood
Real, the deal in principle was working yesterday, the market reaction yesterday showed that.
Now WaMu has folded. I keep hearing from business connections that they can't get credit now.
It's a train wreck.
WaMu was sold to JP Morgan (Chase Bank) by the Feds. They reopened today as a part of Chase.
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kawfytawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:37:38am |
re: #812 Honorary Yooper
He's afraid he'll forget his responses to the questions without the use of a teleprompter.
That is exactly what I thought! great minds.....
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:02am |
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:27am |
I found this article interesting:
snips:
Media caricatures make John McCain the tired, old candidate of standing pat and Barack Obama the agent of change. But it's becoming ever clearer that Obama is the typical politician.
Sen. McCain suspended his campaign because he thought his place as a U.S. senator was in Washington during a big financial crisis. The Republican presidential nominee also said he wouldn't be showing up for the first debate.
Call it a gimmick if you like, but you can bet Sen. Obama wishes he'd thought of it first. Instead, the Democratic nominee lamely retorted that the debate, set for Friday at the University of Mississippi and focusing on foreign policy, should not be delayed because "it makes sense for us to present ourselves before the American people" and "we've both got big planes." But that falls flat.
Looks to me like Obama screwed up again. Shocker, I know. ///
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:38:49am |
re: #819 ploome hineni
yes, only on Explorer
I wonder how many posting now are using explorer, and which version?
IE7, had no problems getting in about 50 minutes ago.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:04am |
re: #708 jorline
Why is Obama so hell bent on getting to Oxford?
He has a new passport and the German trip worked out so well for him, he thought another prestige tour would be good so when an aid suggested Oxford he jumped at it. Probably ordered a bunch of shirts with fancy coloured collars.
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nyc redneck Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:07am |
re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I would have loved to have seen that!
it was so inspiring. and encouraging.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:17am |
re: #819 ploome hineni
yes, only on Explorer
I wonder how many posting now are using explorer, and which version?
IE here...no problems...I think we just update to Vista...
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Kenneth Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:39:57am |
re: #824 Ford_Prefect
The naval aviator has got the community organizer inside his OODA Loop.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:19am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:30am |
re: #682 Kenneth
Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.
Interesting!
We have a local coffee here in Louisiana, that many many people swear by; Starbucks does not do as well here as in other places, but the local folks do really well. Many folks who move away have the coffee shipped to them. It might be hard for another company to make headway here.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:31am |
re: #766 loppyd
Another MA political hack.
I apologize on behalf of all sane people in MA for inflicting this boob on the country.
Barney Frank, J F'n K, Teddy Bloat, Deval Patrick...
You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:43am |
re: #719 3 wood
And again I say to you that the deal was working (maybe - we both know the market doesn't always react intelligently) BEFORE all the crap was added to it which would have, in many ways, reduced the amount estimated to be needed to keep the Street afloat. NOW I don't see a way out because we all know the Dems won't pass anything - no matter what the harm to the country in general, because ANYTHING GOOD FOR AMERICA while a Republican is in the WH, IS BAD FOR THE DEMS.
FUCK.
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kawfytawk Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:40:49am |
re: #825 ploome hineni
this way Obama can say that McCain forfieted one 'debate'
one less for Obama to do
you got that right. and "O" can call it a win (in his own mind of course)
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:28am |
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arethusa Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:33am |
Reid and Dodd are about to have a news conference. A good time for me to head off to work.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:46am |
CHARLES - if you're up and about, I've had something close to a dozen e-mails from LGFer's who can't get on LGF using either IE or Firefox.
Just a heads up!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:42:50am |
re: #690 pre-Boomer Marine brat
God willing and the creek don't rise, I'll buy one.
reine already has a recipe from me.
Thanks to both of you for doing this, ploome.
*blush*
Ploome is the instigator
Reine is the organizer
Lizards are the real contributors.
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Beach Lover Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:43:11am |
re: #826 pre-Boomer Marine brat
IE7, had no problems getting in about 50 minutes ago.
IE& here, had no trouble, but been on quite a while. Now I'm scared to leave!
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:43:22am |
re: #830 Kenneth
The naval aviator has got the community organizer inside his OODA Loop.
OK, I'll bite. What is an OODA loop?
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loppyd Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:01am |
re: #833 Colonel Panik
Barney Frank, J F'n K, Teddy Bloat, Deval Patrick...
You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.
Bill Delahunt, Ed Markey, John Tierney, John Capuano.....
the list is too long
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Ford_Prefect Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:27am |
re: #838 realwest
CHARLES - if you're up and about, I've had something close to a dozen e-mails from LGFer's who can't get on LGF using either IE or Firefox.
Just a heads up!
I had no problem once I loaded Firefox.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:44:56am |
Has anyone heard if the CBS show The Unit is going to come back for a new season?
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:01am |
re: #820 Honorary Yooper
WaMu was sold to JP Morgan (Chase Bank) by the Feds. They reopened today as a part of Chase.
So the one-hundred and four (I am not making that up; that number is from their radio ads here) WaMu locations in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex will join the already too-many Chase bank locations? Looks like there will be an awful lot of empty banks with "FOR LEASE" signs up very soon.
Insanity.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:10am |
re: #831 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey Scottish! I think of this when I see your avatar.
*swoon* Frankie!
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lifeofthemind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:28am |
Why isn't Bush supporting McCain? McCain has to run against the Democratic Congress, Bush has to go public that the failure is do to more Democratic party corruption. If the cause of the problem is properly pinned on Frank and Dodd and Reid and Pelosi then maybe Hillary and a dozen others will switch sides. That could be what McCain's offer to Cuomo (who otherwise should be toxic) means.
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Nevergiveup Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:45:47am |
Welcome to chaos: Arab nations hit hard as world markets crash
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
I guess there's a silver lining to this after all?
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Panhandler Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:01am |
re: #825 ploome hineni
this way Obama can say that McCain forfieted one 'debate'
one less for Obama to do
There's another way to turn the screw on Obama.
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Beach Lover Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:16am |
whoops...meant IE7 (hit shift key by mistake) on #840
it is getting really sloooooooow posting, tho
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:46:24am |
re: #839 reine.de.tout
*blush*
Ploome is the instigator
Reine is the organizer
Lizards are the real contributors.
I have been physically restraining pre-Boomer's SockPuppy from submitting his recipe for hamburger:
Place 1 lb. hamburger in bowl.
Add 2 lbs. hamburger.
Add 5 lbs. hamburger.
/you get the idea
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:00am |
re: #849 lifeofthemind
Why isn't Bush supporting McCain? McCain has to run against the Democratic Congress, Bush has to go public that the failure is do to more Democratic party corruption. If the cause of the problem is properly pinned on Frank and Dodd and Reid and Pelosi then maybe Hillary and a dozen others will switch sides. That could be what McCain's offer to Cuomo (who otherwise should be toxic) means.
I think Bush is just tired of all the bullshit in DC, and is ready to leave.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:11am |
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FrogMarch Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:17am |
ACORN insanity and corruption - all for the Democrats love of corruption.
lots of good links within ...
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sidtara Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:23am |
Reality check for Obama: presidential debates are political theater. The debate on capitol hill is political reality. You live in a fantasy world if you think 90 minutes on stage in academia is more important than doing the real-life work of an elected official.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:24am |
re: #844 ploome hineni
realwest knows everyone...but everyone
have we tapped him to do a mass email requesting RECIPES AND AVATARS?
/hint, hint?
I axed him.
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NC State of Mind Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:30am |
re: #841 Ford_Prefect
Observe, Orient, Decide and Act, and then Repeat. It a combat operations decision flowchart/procedure thingy, to the best of my knowledge, anyway, :)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:30am |
re: #857 Ward Cleaver
I think Bush is just tired of all the bullshit in DC, and is ready to leave.
Tell the voters to go to hell, I'm going to Texas.
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Syrah Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:47:56am |
re: #849 lifeofthemind
Why isn't Bush supporting McCain? McCain has to run against the Democratic Congress, Bush has to go public that the failure is do to more Democratic party corruption. If the cause of the problem is properly pinned on Frank and Dodd and Reid and Pelosi then maybe Hillary and a dozen others will switch sides. That could be what McCain's offer to Cuomo (who otherwise should be toxic) means.
IF this deal fails, there will be plenty of time to blame the Dems.
Monday close of market will tell the tale.
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realwest Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:02am |
re: #747 taxfreekiller
Then why is it that my mortgage broker friends aren't at work today? They were called and told not to bother coming in. And who do you think is gonna make those mortgage loans? Who do you think has the CASH available for that?
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rawmuse Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:24am |
This seems like a very well made video explaining the mess we are in.
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Quintus_Arius Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:31am |
Democrat plan+Republican plan. Half of each and we can call it 'hybrid'
That should fly. Everybody loves the 'h' word these days.
Oh and BTW, McCain didn't torpedo anything yesterday. Was mostly listening while BHO shot his mouth off.
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Colonel Panik Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:35am |
re: #682 Kenneth
Tim Hortons is starting to open franchises in the US.
We have so many Albertans, Manitobans and Saskatchewanians down here in the wintertime I should open up a Tim Horton's.
I predict with Palin Mania and Steven Harper in Canada that anyone owning a Tim Horton's franchise will make a million bucks even in a recession and the Northern will become a popular movie genre again.
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nyc redneck Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:48:38am |
i wonder if the smelly code pinkers asked dinjac abt. the political prisoners being brutally tortured in iranian jails. or the women stoned and hanged because they were raped. or gays crushed w/ bull dozers.
maybe that was impolite conversation over tea and cookies.
these stupid women have no idea how lucky they are that they were shat into the world in america.
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aussiemagpie Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:49:16am |
G'day from Down Under to {everyone}
Interesting news from Pakistan
Pakistan claims Al Qaida bosses among 1,000 terrorists killed in past month
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PAKISTAN says troops have killed 1000 Islamist militants in a huge offensive, a day after President Asif Ali Zardari lashed out at the US over a clash on the Afghan border.Five top al-Qa’ida and Taliban commanders were among the dead in a month-long operation in Bajaur district, currently the most troubled of Pakistan's unstable tribal areas close to the porous frontier, a top official said.
In a further sign of the instability gripping Pakistan since the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad at the weekend, three suicide bombers blew themselves up in a shootout with police in Karachi.
Reporters were flown by helicopter to Khar, the main town in restive Bajaur, for a briefing on the military operation launched in August against Islamist militants who had taken control of most of the region.
“The overall toll is over 1000 militants,” said Tariq Khan, inspector general of the paramilitary Frontier Corps, adding that 27 soldiers had also been killed in the fighting.
What a mess that country is - thanks to the ROP
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Sep 26, 2008 7:49:20am |
I thought of something that could happen with this "bailout".
Congress fails to act, and some $audis and other Arabs decide they will help - for a price. Their investments are done under sharia, and they personally are only subject to sharia. Or they can just say if the government makes them do something they don't want to, they're going home with their money, and the market collapses.
Then the companies they invest in refuse to do business with Israel, but they're immune due to the condition of their investment. Israel supporters can't f
