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Tommy Emmanuel, Percussionist

Video | Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:24:33 pm PDT

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1 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:26:33pm

"Were sorry, this video is no longer available."

The video has been pulled?

2 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:27:32pm

re: #1 Syrah

"Were sorry, this video is no longer available."

The video has been pulled?

Not for me.

Heh. Sucker...

;)

3 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:28:18pm

Wow. Pretty cool, too. Too bad you're missing it, Syrah.

*ducks*

4 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:29:14pm

re: #1 Syrah

"Were sorry, this video is no longer available."

The video has been pulled?

It plays now.

never mind . . .

5 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:29:18pm
I just hope Syrah is not watching this.

Not kidding. He actually said that.

In the video you can't watch.

6 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:29:33pm

re: #5 Noam Sayin'

crap...

7 Irene NYC  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:29:56pm

What a riot! That was amazing.

8 Brigman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:30:08pm

game. set. match.

9 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:31:02pm

Tommy's some kind of musical freaky genius.

10 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:31:21pm

MUSIC!

/does this mean that this is an open thread?

11 pat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:31:27pm

Obama the Messiah seems to have lost a bit of glow. To a rather amateurish opponent in debate. And I love the way PBS changed the rules. International Issues no linger the topic. How much would you like to bet that the Obama camp was informed, but McCain not so much?

12 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:34:09pm

Hey reine.de.tout? Are you out there? Here's some shots of my submission that I am working on. :)

13 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:35:58pm

I watched it twice- that was just.... jaw meltingly incredible.

14 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:36:29pm

re: #5 Noam Sayin'

Not kidding. He actually said that.

In the video you can't watch.

;-p

Fortunately, I have had both way too much and way too little Tequila for the paranoid reactions to set in.

Life is good, even if youtube is a little funky.

15 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:38:44pm

That's nuts. I'm still not buying it. There's some Jamaican guy back there in the shadows.

16 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:39:45pm

I understand he has some guitar lesson videos online. Really.

(Yeah, he's very talented.)

17 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:40:40pm

re: #15 cliffster

That's nuts. I'm still not buying it. There's some Jamaican guy back there in the shadows.

Yep. Looks lip synched.

18 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:40:43pm

Syrah- thanks for this- I'm going to be sending it out too.

Everyone should watch it, and.... I dig the Dire Straights. How apropos.

19 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:41:46pm

Evening gang.

Been one of those days, but it's over. Sort out the damages next week. Got home and family first ya' know so the debate got shelved, listened to a bit while doing dishes. Obama is a naif, and needs to get mugged to understand the real world, talking to thugs is what the thug wants, while he talks, the centrifuges spin.

God Love Bill Whittle and his kidney stones. Wonderful stuff as usual from Bill.

Any way dishes are done, kids in bed, wife is crashed (she works tomorrow) and I'm winding down with an Arrogant Bastard Ale (curses on the Lizard who suggested it, it's damn good).

Emmanuel is hot even just pounding on a guitar, I'm gonna' have to buy an album or two.

20 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:41:59pm

re: #14 Syrah

Which Stage of Tequila are you at:

1. I'm rich.

2. I'm good looking.

3. I'm bulletproof.

4. I'm invisible.

I've been Invisible several times before I finally quit that stuff.

21 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:42:33pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

Syrah- thanks for this- I'm going to be sending it out too.

Everyone should watch it, and.... I dig the Dire Straights. How apropos.

You are welcome.

Rawmuse posted it early this morning. (Very early. Can't believe I was awake that early.)

22 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:44:36pm

re: #20 Noam Sayin'

Tequila. :p Can't drink the stuff anymore. Had a few bad drunks with it when I was much younger and I can't stand the smell, let alone the taste, anymore.

23 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:45:49pm

re: #20 Noam Sayin'

Which Stage of Tequila are you at:

1. I'm rich.

2. I'm good looking.

3. I'm bulletproof.

4. I'm invisible.

I've been Invisible several times before I finally quit that stuff.

Somewhere between "I'm Rich" and "I'm good looking" except for the very sad fact that the bottle is empty and I am flat busted broke and can't buy any more before next payday.

Seriously, I am at the stage where if it weren't for spell checker, I would be writing as incoherently as I would be speaking.

Spell checkers are awesome.

24 outsidephilly  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:46:35pm

re: #12 BlueCanuck

Hey reine.de.tout? Are you out there? Here's some shots of my submission that I am working on. :)

yum, yum . . . , will you be submitting them in the philly area?

25 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:47:50pm

re: #20 Noam Sayin'

Which Stage of Tequila are you at:

1. I'm rich.

2. I'm good looking.

3. I'm bulletproof.

4. I'm invisible.

I've been Invisible several times before I finally quit that stuff.

Tequila never lets me get past even #1 before I have to block the gag reflex. But, I am currently atstage #2.5 of cheap-kentucky-bourbon..

26 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:48:00pm

Genuine Sarah Palin (Heath) Palin in a Bikini!

!984 Miss Alaska Pageant clip.

27 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:50:12pm

re: #26 JCM

Genuine Sarah Palin (Heath) Palin in a Bikini!

!984 Miss Alaska Pageant clip.

Let's get some shots of Obama during that same time. Strung out on coke then? Or was that his weed phase?

28 Thanos  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:51:16pm

Bill Whittle and Tommy Emmanuel, great Friday night faire Charles, thanks.

29 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:51:44pm

re: #27 cliffster

Let's get some shots of Obama during that same time. Strung out on coke then? Or was that his weed phase?

Hell, she had more experience then, than he does now!

no sarc!

30 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:53:31pm

That's because he hasn't changed much since then.

31 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:54:28pm

re: #26 JCM

Genuine Sarah Palin (Heath) Palin in a Bikini!

!984 Miss Alaska Pageant clip.

Honestly, I think she's way sexier now.

32 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:54:40pm
Tommy Emmanuel, Percussionist

/try that with a 1955 Fender Esquire

33 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:55:10pm

Is the irony lost on all but me that the dude nicked, "Syrah," is drinking tequila?

34 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:55:51pm

good Evening Lizards! Well, it's almost morning here in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

I missed the debates. Did either candidate comment on how much better-off the world is with Bill Whittle and Tommy Emmanual in it?

How are you-all ?-- what are we talking about?

35 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:56:08pm

re: #26 JCM

Genuine Sarah Palin (Heath) Palin in a Bikini!

!984 Miss Alaska Pageant clip.

Maybe it was the poor video quality, but it looked to me like a one piece was not a good choice. A one piece is often, too often in my opinion, worn for the sake of modesty where a two piece Bikini would look better.

Just my opinion.

36 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:57:12pm

re: #35 Syrah

Maybe it was the poor video quality, but it looked to me like a one piece was not a good choice. A one piece is often, too often in my opinion, worn for the sake of modesty where a two piece Bikini would look better.

Just my opinion.

You should email her and tell her that. Maybe she won't make that mistake again.

/laughs, ducks, looks around...

37 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:57:25pm

re: #33 Noam Sayin'

Is the irony lost on all but me that the dude nicked, "Syrah," is drinking tequila?

Shh! I have a couple of bottles of that stashed nearby. I may have to break them out of their hiding spot.

38 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:57:33pm

re: #32 Killian Bundy

Best guitar shop in the world.

I don't go there for the concern of wasting the guys' time. Does "Bleem" still work there?

39 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:57:39pm

re: #24 outsidephilly

I am fine tuning the recipe for the LGF Cookbook reine.de.tout is putting together. I have done this one a few times before, but I am adding a few tricks I have picked up here and there. I also might make a few modifications to it on my own.

/needs more cinnamon in my honest opinion. ;)

40 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:58:13pm

re: #19 JCM

Buy an

41 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:58:35pm

re: #31 Pawn of the Oppressor

Honestly, I think she's way sexier now.

You are getting old....
/ ;-)

I think so too!

42 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:59:15pm

re: #36 cliffster

You should email her and tell her that. Maybe she won't make that mistake again.

/laughs, ducks, looks around...

I think I will refrain. My Photographer days are long past and she manages well enough now with out my advice.

43 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:59:42pm

re: #41 JCM

You are getting old....
/ ;-)

I think so too!

My only problem with her right now that way? She's still married.

/damn morals

44 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 9:59:50pm

re: #26 JCM

That wasn't a bikini.

45 Thanos  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:00:46pm

Time for me to get some sleeps, see you all on the morrow friends.

46 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:00:52pm

re: #35 Syrah

Maybe it was the poor video quality, but it looked to me like a one piece was not a good choice. A one piece is often, too often in my opinion, worn for the sake of modesty where a two piece Bikini would look better.

Just my opinion.

In '84 were two pieces used in pageants?
No clue?

47 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:00:57pm

re: #39 BlueCanuck

Garlic!

Chocolate!

48 melinwy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:01:54pm

re: #21 Syrah

You are welcome.

Rawmuse posted it early this morning. (Very early. Can't believe I was awake that early.)

great vid thanks

49 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:02:01pm

re: #40 ggt

hmmmmm, is someone rogdering the thread?

I was trying to comment that you said you were going to buy an albumn or two.

I know what an albumn is and I don't think you can buy them anymore.

I feel old.

50 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:02:55pm

re: #44 ggt

That wasn't a bikini.

LOL! sorry, it's late I'm tired but not sleepy, and have half a pint of ale on board!

I'll be in Iron Fist rule territory when I finish the pint.

*yes, I'm a light weight*

51 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:03:16pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Best guitar shop in the world.

I don't go there for the concern of wasting the guys' time. Does "Bleem" still work there?

I have no idea, I just go there for strings and when my Les Paul meets the floor.

/which hasn't happened since I bought their recommended Hamilton guitar stands for all my instruments

52 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:03:28pm

re: #46 JCM

In '84 were two pieces used in pageants?
No clue?

Don't know.

But then again, I don't remember much of 1984. That was my second year of college. 'fraid I don't remember much of 1984 at all.

53 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:03:42pm

re: #46 JCM

I doubt it. My family knew someone that was runner up to Miss America in the 70's. Part of the rules of the game is that contestants have to "never have been married". Which was code for VIRGIN. As these young ladies were suppossed to represent values and such.

Bikini's wouldn't go with that.

54 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:04:16pm

re: #43 BlueCanuck

My only problem with her right now that way? She's still married.

/damn morals

ROFL!

Those pesky things get in the way of so much fun!

55 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:04:35pm

re: #50 JCM

That's ok, I'm not doing much better and I'm only drinking fresh coffee.

56 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:07:18pm

Shameless spin-off plug or ANOTHER REASON not to vote for a politician from Chicago. The Company One Keeps.

"I don't know Bullwinkle . . ."

57 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:07:37pm

re: #52 Syrah

Don't know.

But then again, I don't remember much of 1984. That was my second year of college. 'fraid I don't remember much of 1984 at all.

I googled '84 Vanessa Williams was Miss America, ohhh the scandal.

24 years ago? WTF? When the hell did I get middle age?

Youth is wasted on the young!

1984 Miss America Swimsuit competition, one piece.

58 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:07:44pm

re: #47 ggt

Garlic!

Chocolate!

I have used walnuts and raisins one time I have done this. The recipe I am working with has used chocolate chips for the glaze part. All recipe's are modifiable, as long as it's appropiate.

/like garlic for instance. ;)

59 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:08:30pm

re: #53 ggt

I doubt it. My family knew someone that was runner up to Miss America in the 70's. Part of the rules of the game is that contestants have to "never have been married". Which was code for VIRGIN. As these young ladies were suppossed to represent values and such.

Bikini's wouldn't go with that.

How positively taliban of them!
///

60 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:09:13pm

re: #57 JCM

I AM NOT MIDDLEAGED!.

/if I keep saying that enough maybe I will believe it. :D
//need more booze I think be right back.

61 HD Woman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:09:17pm

Good morning nightshift!
re: #34 ggt

good Evening Lizards! Well, it's almost morning here in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

I missed the debates. Did either candidate comment on how much better-off the world is with Bill Whittle and Tommy Emmanual in it?

How are you-all ?-- what are we talking about?

The debate went something like this, but with extra stuttering.

62 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:09:44pm

re: #57 JCM

I googled '84 Vanessa Williams was Miss America, ohhh the scandal.

24 years ago? WTF? When the hell did I get middle age?

Youth is wasted on the young!

1984 Miss America Swimsuit competition, one piece.

How can I be middle aged when I'm not even an adult yet?

63 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:09:53pm

That poor guitar. Someone call a cop.

64 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:10:04pm

re: #58 BlueCanuck

"There is no such thing as too much chocolate or too much garlic."

--Lao GGT

65 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:10:55pm

re: #61 HD Woman

They showed that during Greta tonite --after the debates!

66 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:10:55pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

I AM NOT MIDDLEAGED!.

/if I keep saying that enough maybe I will believe it. :D
//need more booze I think be right back.

I was looking at a red two seat something or other at the fair. I said to my wife that would be a great commuter car! High gas mileage, easy to park!

She said, "NO!, you are not allowed a midlife crises!"

*sigh*

67 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:11:43pm

re: #64 ggt

"There is no such thing as too much chocolate or too much garlic."

--Lao GGT

ROFLMAO. Yes of course you are right. But garlic doesn't go with sweets. But for some strange reason chocolate can work with savories.

/one of those great mysteries.
//or proof that god is a she.

68 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:11:55pm

re: #62 cliffster

How can I be middle aged when I'm not even an adult yet?

I like the T-shirt.
Masquerading as a Responsible Adult.

69 Joe Six Pack  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:11:57pm
70 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:12:30pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Best guitar shop in the world.

I don't go there for the concern of wasting the guys' time. Does "Bleem" still work there?

/I can't believe I ever dealt with Knut Koupee, rank amateurs in the grand scale of things

71 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:12:50pm

re: #66 JCM

You poor soul. Next time tell her she would look oh so hot as a passenger hanging off your arm.

/work on their vanities.

72 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:13:12pm

re: #41 JCM

You are getting old....
/ ;-)

I think so too!

Not even 30!

I've been intimate with two women in my entire life, one my age and one a few years younger, yet my tastes are varied and if Mizz Palin (thank you CBS) were single it would definitely be on with the hockey mom. :D Never mind the merely physical, she's got that kind of self-aware style and charm backed up by strength which says more about a woman's character than volumes of speeches about being a "strong woman" ever could.

Women who are unabashedly successful without wallowing in bitterness or malice are treasures.

73 HD Woman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:14:09pm

re: #65 ggt

Ah, I don't have cable.

74 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:14:20pm

I turned my dinger off and the threads are much faster.

75 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:16:04pm

re: #74 MandyManners

I turned my dinger off and the threads are much faster.

Mandy - I have another dinger joke, but it's hiding behind the haze of medicating myself against the debates. Damn

76 vbspurs  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:16:31pm

Guys, please forgive the OT, but if anyone has video on Chris Matthews latest insulting behaviour, please let me know.

He called McCain a troll.

Utterly, utterly disgraceful.

77 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:17:19pm

re: #74 MandyManners

I turned my dinger off and the threads are much faster.

Oh, my did it hurt much? How does it feel not have a dinger?

78 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:17:38pm

re: #72 Pawn of the Oppressor

Testify brother. It's not just about the looks, it's also about the attitude. Some of the most physically unattractive, according to the mainstream, have been absolutely gorgeous mentally to me. Then you get some one like Paris Hilton, who I find very ugly.

/Sex, it starts in the mind.

79 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:18:23pm

re: #75 cliffster

Be careful, she still has her cluebat.

80 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:19:40pm

re: #72 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not even 30!

I've been intimate with two women in my entire life, one my age and one a few years younger, yet my tastes are varied and if Mizz Palin (thank you CBS) were single it would definitely be on with the hockey mom. :D Never mind the merely physical, she's got that kind of self-aware style and charm backed up by strength which says more about a woman's character than volumes of speeches about being a "strong woman" ever could.

Women who are unabashedly successful without wallowing in bitterness or malice are treasures.

A lot of Palin's "hotness" is just that, not the physical, but the confidence, my first real love was not physically extreme attractive, but very confident and self assured. My wife built her career before we met and is also a confident self starter.

81 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:21:04pm

re: #79 BlueCanuck

Be careful, she still has her cluebat.

Damn, too late!

*Puts football helmet on and cringes*

82 El Lizardo mejicano  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:21:32pm

The big "O" got PAWNED tonight!

All I Can say tonight...GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Alex #;-)

83 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:23:03pm

I guess everyone burned themselves out on the debate threads. It's pretty quiet and slow now.

/almost. . . . .Tooo quiet.

84 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:23:09pm

The poll on Drudge has McCain with a 2:1 advantage.

85 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:23:45pm

Welcome to Tom Anderson Guitarworks!

/Charles has one of these, call for price

86 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:24:22pm

re: #75 cliffster

re: #77 JCM

Fast!

87 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:25:49pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/I can't believe I ever dealt with Knut Koupee, rank amateurs in the grand scale of things

Bleem used to work at Knut. I booked a couple gigs for his band when I was in the biz, years ago. Last I heard from him he was at Willie's. But that was years ago.

Of course, that store has been closed for at least a dozen years.

88 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:26:39pm

re: #84 merrytexas

The poll on Drudge has McCain with a 2:1 advantage.

What was the Lizard consensus on the debate?

I heard on little bit and Obambi sounded like he never heard of hunters.

89 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:27:36pm

I'm here.

90 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:28:19pm

re: #57 JCM

I googled '84 Vanessa Williams was Miss America, ohhh the scandal.

24 years ago? WTF? When the hell did I get middle age?

Youth is wasted on the young!

1984 Miss America Swimsuit competition, one piece.

Much better cut on those one pieces.

Also, looking at the second video versus the first reminds me of the problem of how some lenses will add weight unfairly where others won't. Something about the physics of light and round lenses.

The angle on the first video was not the best either. The second was a much better quality video and I think a much better quality photography.

The most important lesson for a photographer to learn is how to throw away bad shots. A good photographer learns that some images should never ever be shown to the sitter or the client. Only a very few good shots are worth keeping.

Home video, such as was the first, break that rule, and probably should not be judged as critically as I had done.

91 HD Woman  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:28:22pm

re: #74 MandyManners

Thank you, that helped me a LOT.

92 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:28:34pm

re: #89 EIDE_Interface

I'm here.

Who's "I'm?"

93 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:29:04pm

re: #88 JCM

I found Obama to be a stuttering fool. If we wasn't trying to talk over McCain, his talking points were weak and vague. He doesn't do well without a teleprompter. McCain started weak, stumbled once or twice, but grew in strength and confidence. the next couple of times they meet McCain will be using Obama as a dish rag.

94 vbspurs  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:29:10pm

re: #88 JCM

What was the Lizard consensus on the debate?

I heard on little bit and Obambi sounded like he never heard of hunters.

I don't know about the consensus but the fact that MSM have to escoriate McCain's behaviour by calling him "troll", "angry", "disrespectful", tells you everything you need to know.

McCain showed a rookie politician how its done for 30 minutes. It was embarrassing.

95 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:29:12pm

re: #83 BlueCanuck

I guess everyone burned themselves out on the debate threads. It's pretty quiet and slow now.

/almost. . . . .Tooo quiet.

Tipsy Lizards?

I didn't watch much of the debate. I'd come to the point that just a bit more politics would've caused me to OD. Instead, I picked up The Kid early, went shopping, to the park and then to dinner. I'm on the last Deighton novel with Samson as the protagonist, and I'm getting close to curling up with it.

96 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:29:26pm

I just got in from work. Have we bailed out anything new tonight?

97 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:29:39pm

re: #89 EIDE_Interface

I'm here.

In Latin that would make an impressive motto: Hic sum.

98 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:30:03pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Who's "I'm?"

Ummmmm, Present?

99 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:30:09pm

re: #89 EIDE_Interface

I'm here.

And medicated?

100 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:30:38pm

re: #99 Noam Sayin'

And medicated?

Just a lager.

101 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:30:39pm

re: #87 Noam Sayin'

Bleem used to work at Knut. I booked a couple gigs for his band when I was in the biz, years ago. Last I heard from him he was at Willie's. But that was years ago.

Of course, that store has been closed for at least a dozen years.

All I remember about Knut is, hey, there's a vintage Les Paul for $400 and it's still good, not dropping in value.

/what can I say, I was sixteen

102 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:30:43pm

re: #91 HD Woman

Thank you, that helped me a LOT.

It's a useful and fun tool but, it just slows things down considerably.

103 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:30:55pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Who's "I'm?"

He'm.

104 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:31:02pm

re: #97 Moe Katz

"hic"?

It is the FNDT.

105 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:31:08pm

re: #95 MandyManners

Lucky book...

106 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:31:17pm

re: #97 Moe Katz

In Latin that would make an impressive motto: Hic sum.

Hi Moe. Are you any relation to Max Katz in southern New Jersey?

107 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:31:44pm

re: #95 MandyManners

Sounds like a nice night. Deighton huh? Might have to expand my latest readings from Sci-Fi.

/Ringo and Krautman rock.

108 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:31:48pm

re: #103 MandyManners

Do he'm have a dinger?

109 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:31:55pm

re: #93 BlueCanuck

I found Obama to be a stuttering fool. If we wasn't trying to talk over McCain, his talking points were weak and vague. He doesn't do well without a teleprompter. McCain started weak, stumbled once or twice, but grew in strength and confidence. the next couple of times they meet McCain will be using Obama as a dish rag.

I thought he did that already tonight. Obama constantly had the look the he was trying to match democrat points with subjects in his head. And when he couldn't come up with anything, he said, "we don't need 8 more years of Bush." McCain looked calm, and talked conversationally. Like Uncle John, who came by for Christmas and told some stories about leading the country.

110 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:32:12pm

re: #104 ggt

"hic"?

It is the FNDT.


what's an fndt?

111 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:32:19pm
112 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:32:32pm

re: #104 ggt

"hic"?

It is the FNDT.

Damn straight.....
How do you type slurred speech?

113 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:32:51pm

re: #110 Moe Katz

Friday Night Drinking Thread.

Those who have to ask buy a round.

I'll take fresh coffee.

114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:32:52pm

re: #104 ggt

"hic"? It is the FNDT.

I don't drink anymore. But I do have a bottle of Vicoden from the surgery. What's the magic word?

115 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:33:00pm

re: #110 Moe Katz

Shirley you joust.

116 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:33:18pm

re: #100 EIDE_Interface

Just a lager.

Have more. I'm not talking you off the ledge tonight. ;)

117 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:33:52pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

Hi Moe. Are you any relation to Max Katz in southern New Jersey?

Katz is just my handle. My real name is Schiklgruber but I figured no one would believe that.

118 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:33:52pm

re: #112 JCM

Disengage your spellcheque that should help a bite.

119 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:33:54pm

re: #110 Moe Katz

what's an fndt?

You've got to be kidding me. This place is legendary for the FNDT.

120 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:33:55pm

re: #115 BlueCanuck

Shirley you joust.

No I'm not. And don't call me Shirley!

121 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:34:09pm

re: #80 JCM

A lot of Palin's "hotness" is just that, not the physical, but the confidence, my first real love was not physically extreme attractive, but very confident and self assured. My wife built her career before we met and is also a confident self starter.

My favorite woman in the entire world, my lady in NYC, is the #1 achiever in her company (internationally famous makeup co. on 5th Ave), unbelievably tough, completely self-made, works her lovely butt off to pull down more scratch than my father does after 40 years in engineering (not to knock dad, but just to make a comparison), all without a college education, or gubmint handouts, or feminist groups, or trust funds. Just pure skill and hard work. And that's after she's been through family and childhood sh-t that would have broken almost anybody else, some of which I witnessed first-hand. And she still doesn't get what I see in her.

She's even starting to come around to Republican thinking, I think. Frankly I don't want her to agree with me TOO much, otherwise there is no intellectual excitement... Though I am still perplexed by her voting for Hillary. :P

122 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:34:12pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

The magic word tonite is: "re:"

123 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:34:24pm

re: #105 Noam Sayin'

Lucky book...

James Lee Burke is next. Or, Tolkien. It's been ages since I read The Hobbit and the trilogy during the fall.

124 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:34:37pm

re: #115 BlueCanuck

Shirley you joust.

I'm perfectly Sirius.

125 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:34:41pm

re: #88 JCM

What was the Lizard consensus on the debate?

I didn't read it all but I did see several criticisms of McCain not being strong enough, being crotchity, etc. I thought he was being too "nice" on the economy, not wanting to point fingers at dems, but he has a strategy for that. McCain basically came across as an experienced statesman who mocked Obama at times and Obama as an eloquent speaker without much experience.

126 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:34:46pm

re: #94 vbspurs

I don't know about the consensus but the fact that MSM have to escoriate McCain's behaviour by calling him "troll", "angry", "disrespectful", tells you everything you need to know.

McCain showed a rookie politician how its done for 30 minutes. It was embarrassing.

Sounds good. I'd take a guy "who been there, done that" just about anytime over a [deleted] Marxists community organizer.

127 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:35:22pm

re: #100 EIDE_Interface

You seem a bit more up beat lately. Good stuff and keep up the positive attitude. Things aren't as bad as the MSM make it out to be. Cheers.
*raises rum and gingerale in toast*

128 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:36:05pm

re: #123 MandyManners

James Lee Burke is next. Or, Tolkien. It's been ages since I read The Hobbit and the trilogy during the fall.

Speaking of Tolkien. Has anyone here read The Silmarillion?

I have it, and started it once. Didn't get past the first couple chapters.

129 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:36:08pm

re: #122 ggt

The magic word tonite is: "re:"

Whoopee. OK, got it. I'm ready. the FNOT (Friday night opiate thread).

130 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:36:09pm

re: #110 Moe Katz

what's an fndt?

Yoo don-T koww whut tha FnDt iz?!

131 vbspurs  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:36:33pm

re: #126 JCM

Sounds good. I'd take a guy "who been there, done that" just about anytime over a [deleted] Marxists community organizer.

Deleted? Oh dear, that doesn't sound good, JCM.

132 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:36:41pm

Here's why McCain didn't go after Dems on the economy/bailout. I just received this in an email stating John's going to Washington in a few hours.

"We cannot be interested in who would get credit for finding a solution and who would be blamed if an agreement cannot be reached. We must put our country first to solve this economic crisis. Because in the end, that's what leaders do in times of crisis."

COUNTRY FIRST!

133 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:37:00pm

re: #127 BlueCanuck

You seem a bit more up beat lately. Good stuff and keep up the positive attitude. Things aren't as bad as the MSM make it out to be. Cheers.
*raises rum and gingerale in toast*

I've been chillin' to good music like our Lizard King.

134 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:37:05pm

re: #130 sngnsgt

Yoo don-T koww whut tha FnDt iz?!

The humiliation is being prolonged unbearably. WTF is it?

135 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:37:39pm

re: #126 JCM

Sounds good. I'd take a guy "who been there, done that" just about anytime over a [deleted] Marxists community organizer.

"I was learning about foreign relations the hard way while you were still smoking pot in the boy's room at Columbia. Go back to the Senate, Barry, and try attending some of those committee meetings once in a while. You might learn something."

/what he should have said

136 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:37:49pm

friday nite drinking thread?

137 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:37:59pm

re: #123 MandyManners

James Lee Burke is next. Or, Tolkien. It's been ages since I read The Hobbit and the trilogy during the fall.

I vote the Hobbit. Actually it's been awhile since I read that as well.

/just realized I don't own a copy at this time.
//SHOPPING TRIP.

138 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:38:12pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

Speaking of Tolkien. Has anyone here read The Silmarillion?

I have it, and started it once. Didn't get past the first couple chapters.

I've tried. I'll try again soon. But it's a matter of the sheer amount of background, that has no relation to anything in our world. Too much context built purely from fantasy.

139 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:38:37pm

re: #107 BlueCanuck

Sounds like a nice night. Deighton huh? Might have to expand my latest readings from Sci-Fi.

/Ringo and Krautman rock.

The Samson series: Berlin Game, Mexico Set, London Match, Spy Hook, Spy Line, Spy Sinker, Hope, Faith and Charity.

His others are great, too. I cannot recall all the titles off the top of my head but, Goodby, Mickey Mouse and The Ipcress File, Only When I Larf, SS-GB and XPD come to mind.

140 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:38:39pm

re: #134 Moe Katz

The humiliation is being prolonged unbearably. WTF is it?

Friday night drinking thread ;-)

141 x-wing  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:38:40pm

re: #80 JCM

Well , she is physically hot too.

[Link: www.rightwingnews.com...]

That girl is "wearing" that swimsuit.

142 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:38:56pm

re: #134 Moe Katz

The humiliation is being prolonged unbearably. WTF is it?

It stand for Friday Night Drinking Thread. More or less, a open topic thread where we don't have a lot to talk about, but we have a truckload of booze handy. Drink, post, drink, post, drik, possst, dink, posos.....

143 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:39:12pm

re: #108 ggt

Do he'm have a dinger?

I've not looked.

144 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:39:33pm

re: #110 Moe Katz

what's an fndt?

Fully Nude, Definitely Tempted.

145 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:39:33pm

Now I get ggt's pun on the latin "hic". Sorry, a bit slow on that one.

146 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:39:47pm

re: #117 Moe Katz

Katz is just my handle. My real name is Schiklgruber but I figured no one would believe that.

LOL!

147 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:39:57pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

Read it twice. The reason it's so hard to read is that it's background story Tolkien used for his other works. It was all published posthumously with out any polish. If he lived a decade longer some of that stuff would have made great stories.

148 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:40:28pm

re: #131 vbspurs

Deleted? Oh dear, that doesn't sound good, JCM.

lolololol!

149 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:40:38pm

Evening, anything happen recently?

150 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:40:39pm

re: #143 MandyManners

I've not looked.

Hi Mandy. I'm in a good mood tonight. How about you?

151 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:41:21pm

re: #138 cliffster

Exactly, and perhaps exactly the reason I couldn't get into it the first time. It seemed like it was the bible of middle earth, so to speak, and I wasn't that interested in knowing deeper meanings of the Trilogy to want to digest it.

Maybe I never will.

Signed by Tolkien himself, so maybe I'll keep it around.

just kidding about that last part.

152 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:41:21pm

re: #149 lifeofthemind

Evening, anything happen recently?

I heard there was a debate. Anyone else hear that?

153 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:41:26pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

Speaking of Tolkien. Has anyone here read The Silmarillion?

I have it, and started it once. Didn't get past the first couple chapters.

I tried to in college but, it was a bit thick. On the other hand, maybe I was the thick one--smoking some good stuff back then.

154 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:41:54pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

It stand for Friday Night Drinking Thread. More or less, a open topic thread where we don't have a lot to talk about, but we have a truckload of booze handy. Drink, post, drink, post, drik, possst, dink, posos.....

I'm not possst'ing yet - need to drink more. brb

155 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:42:03pm

re: #149 lifeofthemind

Evening, anything happen recently?

Everything. You missed it.

156 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:42:24pm

re: #153 MandyManners

I tried to in college but, it was a bit thick. On the other hand, maybe I was the thick one--smoking some good stuff back then.

No, I don't believe it, not you!

157 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:42:32pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

I vote the Hobbit. Actually it's been awhile since I read that as well.

/just realized I don't own a copy at this time.
//SHOPPING TRIP.

Mine are scattered around. Dagnabit. I hope they're not packed away.

158 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:42:52pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Now that's funny.

Nice delivery.

159 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:42:54pm

re: #131 vbspurs

Deleted? Oh dear, that doesn't sound good, JCM.

Not completely in zone Iron Fist rule yet! Still have some of my senses!

I hate with a vivid passion commies of any flavor. I personally know "guests" of the Gulags. The fact that the (D)s can run a [deleted] red diaper doper baby for POTUS pisses me off to the nth degree.

I remember the party of Scoop Jackson and others like him.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:43:38pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

Hi Mandy. I'm in a good mood tonight. How about you?

I'm mentally worn out. This has been a taxing week.

161 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:43:49pm

re: #149 lifeofthemind

Evening, anything happen recently?

Mandy is apparently dingerless by choice. lol

162 lifeofthemind  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:44:04pm

Sorry folks need to turn in, have a good night.

163 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:44:14pm

re: #149 lifeofthemind

B-Ho told us how he's going to save the world 2-nite...

164 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:44:45pm

My time machine is finally functional. Check out this image of Nov 6th, 2008.

165 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:44:52pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

No, I don't believe it, not you!

Indeedy!

166 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:45:13pm
167 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:45:26pm

re: #164 Racer X

My time machine is finally functional. Check out this image of Nov 6th, 2008.

It won't give me permission. :(

168 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:45:33pm

re: #149 lifeofthemind

Evening, anything happen recently?

TFK and Cognito pledged their love as Life Partners.

169 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:45:35pm

re: #35 Syrah

Maybe it was the poor video quality, but it looked to me like a one piece was not a good choice. A one piece is often, too often in my opinion, worn for the sake of modesty where a two piece Bikini would look better.

Just my opinion.

Its flipping ALASKA!

We're lucky she wasn't wearing a swimsuit parka!

170 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:45:56pm

re: #161 merrytexas

Mandy is apparently dingerless by choice. lol

I don't buy it. Earlier tonight, her dinger wasn't working. Now, she's saying, well, I don't want my dinger anyways. Whatever.

/ haven't I done this sort of thing before?

171 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:46:00pm

re: #155 Syrah

Everything. You missed it.

It was real, and it was spectacular.

172 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:46:10pm

re: #164 Racer X

My time machine is finally functional. Check out this image of Nov 6th, 2008.

Wow, that was neat. On Nov. 6th, 2008, I don't have permission to view that jpeg. It's almost like you can predict the future.

173 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:46:11pm

re: #160 MandyManners

I'm mentally worn out. This has been a taxing week.

I'll drink to that!
Flu running through the kids.
Melt down at work.

174 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:46:21pm

re: #161 merrytexas

Mandy is apparently dingerless by choice. lol

More stream-lined.

175 Syrah  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:46:29pm

And a goodnight to all from me.

The day has been very long. The week, longer. (Train wrecks sure do take a long time to come to a full stop.)

Goodnight.

176 rednaxela  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:46:50pm

re: #164 Racer X

I’ve got a bracelet too.

177 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:47:54pm

re: #175 Syrah

And a goodnight to all from me.

The day has been very long. The week, longer. (Train wrecks sure do take a long time to come to a full stop.)Goodnight.

Night. (I love your screen name)

178 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:47:58pm

re: #166 JCM

Insanely great pass reception!

My body creeks just watching it.

179 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:48:08pm

re: #168 MandyManners

TFK and Cognito pledged their love as Life Partners.

ROFLMAO!
*gasp*
ohhhh it hurts
*gasp*

180 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:48:14pm

re: #164 Racer X

My time machine is finally functional. Check out this image of Nov 6th, 2008.

I'm going to patch together some Futurama-esque "Suicide Booths" and set them up to run for a fiver. I'll put them in Boston, NYC, Chicago, and SF. I should be able to pay my car insurance that way.

181 x-wing  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:48:39pm

re: #149 lifeofthemind

Barack Obama was diagnost with diarreah of the mouth, and it was reported that he was wearing a bracelet.

182 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:48:40pm

re: #174 MandyManners

I couldn't even get LGF to load earlier when the videos were live.

183 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:48:52pm

re: #176 rednaxela

I’ve got a bracelet too.

Me too! It's from the Jefferson County Sheriff's Dept.

/

184 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:49:27pm

re: #170 cliffster

I don't buy it. Earlier tonight, her dinger wasn't working. Now, she's saying, well, I don't want my dinger anyways. Whatever.

/ haven't I done this sort of thing before?

I realized I was spending way too much time dinging, and dinging got in the way of the speed.

185 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:49:31pm

re: #169 looking closely

Its flipping ALASKA!

We're lucky she wasn't wearing a swimsuit parka!

We have pictures!
On the right, dry suit!

186 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:49:41pm

re: #169 looking closely

Ms. Palin looks good in a bathing suit, BHo is just an empty suit.

187 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:50:00pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

I got thru about 3/4. The Ballad of Berien and Luthien (sp?) was wonderful. I listened to it on Books-on-tape and read along at the same time. It's hard to follow if you don't take notes etc.

The creation story is beautiful as well.

I just finished listening to the Children of Hurin.

LOTR makes a lot more sense having been exposed to the Silmarrillion (sp?)

188 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:50:11pm

re: #173 JCM

I'll drink to that!
Flu running through the kids.
Melt down at work.

I'd jug you but you might be contagious already.

189 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:50:55pm

re: #164 Racer X

My time machine is finally functional. Check out this image of Nov 6th, 2008.

I think this is what you meant to link to:

190 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:50:58pm

re: #182 merrytexas

I couldn't even get LGF to load earlier when the videos were live.

I could but, just barely.

191 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:51:15pm

re: #188 MandyManners

I'd jug you but you might be contagious already.

LOL! Flu is soooo much fun!

192 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:51:23pm

Dow 8000, buckle up.

/Cramer, making up for taping his show too early yesterday

193 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:51:36pm

re: #174 MandyManners

More stream-lined.

So what you're saying is that you're high speed and low drag?

/*droooool*
//*ducks and covers*

194 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:51:37pm
195 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:51:50pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

Buy from Amazon from LGF tip jar --Charles gets a little something.

196 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:52:33pm

Ohblahma said "I agree with Senator McCain" at least 8 times.

197 Racer X  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:53:04pm

re: #167 merrytexas

It won't give me permission. :(

Oops!

Try this.
I was linking directly to the image.

198 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:53:49pm

Mr. Sandman calls.

199 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:55:17pm

re: #187 ggt

I agree, but only in reference to the back story stuff. One reason why I enjoyed the movies so much was that I could see when Peter Jackson inserted Simillarion stuff into the story that wasn't in the novels. I actually think he improved on the story too. Tolkien was way too much in love of the english language IMHO.

/still think Tom Bombadil should have been in the movie.

200 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:56:12pm

re: #197 Racer X

Hope that's what we see that day.

201 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:56:39pm

re: #195 ggt

As soon as I get my credit card under control I will. Be about a month before I can even think about starting another book.

/working on my reading list right now and it's booked solid.

202 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:57:03pm

I'm still watching CNN, to better myself. Apparently Obama was strong, intellectual, and stately. And McCain was lecturing. Funny, I thought Obama looked like a little kid who just got caught sneaking out of bed and snarfing some cookies.

Shows what I know

203 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:57:15pm

re: #198 MandyManners

Night Mandy, enjoy your novel and your rest. Next week should be a lot better.

204 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:57:23pm

New McCain ad after debate.

205 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 10:59:30pm

re: #199 BlueCanuck

Me Too! Suppossedly there was some "to-do" with the writers about cutting that part of the story. I thought they got the TreeBeard down pat tho.

The audio of the Silmarillion was excellent. I found myself having to rewind because I was enjoying listening to the "performer" so much I wasn't paying attention to the story. It is very involved. I ended-up taking notes --and adding to the Family Tree's included with the book.

Amazing how much Tolkein put into it. The whole backstory to Shelob was so detailed.

206 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:02:38pm

re: #205 ggt

One neat thing I notice about Tom Bombadil. Even when he's speaking normally he's still talking in metered rhyme. Noticed that on the fourth time through the books. Just blew me away.

207 Inquisitive  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:02:56pm

re: #74 MandyManners

I turned my dinger off and the threads are much faster.

How do you turn your dinger off?

208 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:02:57pm

re: #201 BlueCanuck

Yours and mine both. Between actual books and my iPod AND PODCASTS. Did you know that they are FREE? OMG! I used to listen to audio books a lot more when I had a longer daily drive. I listened thru just about everything at one library I used to live near.

I belong to Audible.com, which if Any Lizards, have never heard of --is a good value. AND their customer service reps are in the US!

Yes, I'm a bibliophile. They call it a Gentle Madness.

209 JCM  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:03:21pm

I'm checking out!

Ronald Reagan on Leadership
© 2000 Philip Ernest Schoenberg, Ph.D.

Lesson No. 1: Share a Vision
Lesson No. 2: Have High Self Esteem
Lesson No. 3: Nice Guys Finish First
Lesson No. 4: Work Smart, Don't Work Hard
Lesson No. 5: Delegate! Delegate! Delegate!
Lesson No. 6: Be a Great Communicator
Lesson No. 7: Be a Decision Maker
Lesson No. 8: Stay Focused
Lesson No. 9: Show Sensitivity or Compassion

210 ggt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:04:01pm

re: #202 cliffster

His make-up was too over-the-top. I thought it made him look like he was "trying" to be black.

211 EIDE_Interface  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:06:59pm
212 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:07:07pm

I guess I'm like Noam Sayin'. I sat down to read Silmarillian once, years ago, and didn't get very far. I read the Hobbit, many, many years later. Haven't gotten around to reading LoTR, though.

The movies were great, however. We've got all the extended-editions on DVD here. I look forward to seeing the movie version of The Hobbit when it eventually comes out. Wonder if they'll turn the distant-prequel that was recently released into a movie or series of movies.

213 pat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:07:23pm

I see Obama won the focus groups.

214 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:08:06pm

Wish I could find a link to McCain's quote about not having his own seal yet.

215 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:08:35pm

re: #213 pat
I don't believe they're scientifically chosen. I think Obama plants are in them.

216 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:09:01pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

Dow 8000, buckle up.

/Cramer, making up for taping his show too early yesterday

Buckle way up.

Pelosi: Democrats don’t have the votes to pass the bailout bill; Update: Vote unlikely before Wednesday?

No choice in my 401k, but increased my contribution by another percent.

Until recently, I had a 3-year return of 48%. But I'm still sitting at around 8%, so as long as I don't f*ck up and panic-sell, I should come out of this in really good shape.

Wall Street's having a sale.

217 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:10:12pm

re: #213 pat

I see Obama won the focus groups.

Focusing on... ?

218 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:10:12pm

re: #204 merrytexas

New McCain ad after debate.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Weak. . .

IMO clipping Obama agreeing with McCain out of context is pretty thin gruel.

I think if you want to make a montage of "gotcha" moments, there is better stuff in there than that. Much mumbling by Obama.

Transcript here.

219 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:10:38pm

re: #215 merrytexas

For some reason, that brings to mind a line I heard on TV once, many years ago, in a completely different context:

"That plant is so obvious, you oughtta water it."
--Jim Rockford, "Rockford Files"

220 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:12:51pm

re: #196 merrytexas

Ohblahma said "I agree with Senator McCain" at least 8 times.

13, I believe.

221 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:13:21pm

Rain coming closer as the evening cools down. The neighborhood seems quiet now after a shooting incident roughly 2 blocks away. Laura Ingraham is on the radio; a good time to sign off and fall asleep to her dulcet voice.

Goodnight, y'all.

222 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:14:02pm

re: #221 Noam Sayin'

Night Noam, sleep safe.

223 SummerSong  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:14:14pm

re: #192 Killian Bundy

Cramer? Bleck. Frontloader. Animated tool.

224 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:14:32pm

re: #221 Noam Sayin'

Rain coming closer as the evening cools down. The neighborhood seems quiet now after a shooting incident roughly 2 blocks away. Laura Ingraham is on the radio; a good time to sign off and fall asleep to her dulcet voice.

Goodnight, y'all.

Night Noam

225 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:14:33pm

re: #218 looking closely

Obama said it so many times it made McCain look good.

226 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:15:14pm

Hell laides and gents.Good evening.

227 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:15:18pm

Okay folks, only 45 minutes to make 86 comments to break 7k for the day. Can we do it?. . . . .

228 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:15:51pm

re: #219 NomadOfNorad

The writers of that show had some good zingers for Rockford.

229 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:09pm

Dang,,there should be an O in there somewhere.

230 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:14pm

re: #227 BlueCanuck

Okay folks, only 45 minutes to make 86 comments to break 7k for the day. Can we do it?. . . . .

I

231 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:25pm

re: #230 cliffster

I

think

232 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:34pm

re: #231 cliffster

think

we

233 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:39pm

re: #221 Noam Sayin'


A shooting? Stay safe.

234 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:43pm

Gall points:

Obama, the #2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie donations in the Congress, and bosom buddies with Jim Johnson, has the nerve to claim that was warning about the coming credit crisis (when McCain actually sponsored legislation to deal with this BEFORE Obama was even elected!):

Two years ago, I warned that, because of the subprime lending mess, because of the lax regulation, that we were potentially going to have a problem and tried to stop some of the abuses in mortgages that were taking place at the time.

Last year, I wrote to the secretary of the Treasury to make sure that he understood the magnitude of this problem and to call on him to bring all the stakeholders together to try to deal with it.


Obama thinks he knows more about the mortgage mess than the Secretary of the Treasury, and needs to "educate him"?@#$hole.

235 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:43pm

re: #232 cliffster

we

can

236 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:16:58pm

This thread needs more music.

237 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:19:08pm

When Obama wants to spin, he begins by saying "Let's just be clear..."

The debate is replaying on C-Span and I'm waiting for the presidential seal reference. I want to record it and play it over and over.

238 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:19:48pm

Can any lizards help me out here? Did this actually happen?

Per Obama:


Even if we get all $700 billion back, let's assume the markets recover, we' holding assets long enough that eventually taxpayers get it back and that happened during the Great Depression when Roosevelt purchased a whole bunch of homes, over time, home values went back up and in fact government made a profit.

Was there ever a Depression-era bailout purchase of privately held property?

239 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:21:05pm

I saw Kenedy was in hospital again,,does anyone know if it was after the 9th,or 10th drink?

240 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:22:26pm

re: #236 BlueCanuck

This thread needs more music.

Don't ask me why, but this cam to mind

241 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:23:31pm

re: #223 SummerSong

Cramer? Bleck. Frontloader. Animated tool.

/grain of salt, have you run a Hedge Fund?

242 pat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:24:07pm

The focus groups seemed to be selected in cities that are undergoing economic downturns. And as usual the Dems seem better at padding the groups with 'independents'. Long haired weirods and union types. A little too self righteous for my taste.

243 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:24:09pm

re: #239 Oldasdirt

I saw Kenedy was in hospital again,,does anyone know if it was after the 9th,or 10th drink?

Awww, the guy had a seizure, is dying of brain cancer. Please.

244 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:24:30pm

Transcript of Debate here, in case anyone wants a look.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

245 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:25:08pm

re: #238 looking closely

Can any lizards help me out here? Did this actually happen?

Per Obama:

Was there ever a Depression-era bailout purchase of privately held property?


Home Owner's Loan Corp
[Link: www.answers.com...]

246 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:26:04pm

re: #242 pat

The focus groups seemed to be selected in cities that are undergoing economic downturns. And as usual the Dems seem better at padding the groups with 'independents'. Long haired weirods and union types. A little too self righteous for my taste.

That's fine. I love watching them scratching their heads on Wednesday after election day, saying "how could this have happened?"

247 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:26:33pm

re: #243 Moe Katz
Hopeing Mary Joe will be waiting for him with a baseball bat.

248 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:26:57pm

re: #247 Oldasdirt

Hopeing Mary Joe will be waiting for him with a baseball bat.

Heh.

249 rednaxela  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:27:33pm

re: #213 pat

I see Obama won the focus groups.

That's because he's got a bracelet too.

I'm surprise so few people picked up on this. It was definitely the big cringe moment for me.

250 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:27:43pm

re: #247 Oldasdirt

Hopeing Mary Joe will be waiting for him with a baseball bat.

Guess he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it.

251 pat  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:28:17pm

re: #238 looking closely

Interesting you bring that up. I cannot remember such a program and am going to research the subject. The Depression is a solid core matter in economics. Mostly about what idiots Hoover and Roosevelt were (tight money). I do not remember the mortgage buy in ever being mentioned. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

252 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:28:24pm

We won't see any scientific results on the debate spin for a couple of days.

253 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:28:46pm

How many of you know your city you live in? I mean REALLY know your city. I bet if you acted like a tourist and just wandered you would find something that would make you go WOW, I never even knew that. Me I had that experience today. Found this monument today that rocked my socks. Should do a blog post on it when I feel like it. That point has a lot of unique history.

254 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:28:50pm

re: #250 Moe Katz

Guess he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it.


Thats a ride she wont want to take twice.

255 merrytexas  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:29:33pm

re: #244 looking closely

MCCAIN: I'm not going to set the White House visitors schedule before I'm president of the United States. I don't even have a seal yet.

Take that Obama. Thwap!

Thank you for posting the link. G'nite all. Keep the faith.

256 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:29:34pm

Why would she? It's all water under the bridge now.

257 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:30:21pm

re: #256 Moe Katz
Very good Moe

258 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:31:43pm

re: #257 Oldasdirt

Very good Moe

This dialog is awful. Maybe if I hold my breath long enough, someone will come save me.

259 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:31:44pm

Remember the National Lampoon Volkswagen ad? If Teddy drove a VW he'd be President today, because a VW floats?

260 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:32:36pm

re: #245 merrytexas

Home Owner's Loan Corp
[Link: www.answers.com...]


If I am reading this correctly, the HOLC simply offered modern-type mortgages at decent terms (presumeably holding the homes as collateral).

But did the gov't (eg "Roosevelt") ever "purchase a whole bunch of homes" as Obama claimed?

261 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:33:33pm

re: #260 looking closely

I think it's time to employ some google-fu.

262 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:34:44pm

re: #258 cliffster

This dialog is awful. Maybe if I hold my breath long enough, someone will come save me.


After around 4 hours,,i sure someone will show up.
Let me sleep on it.

263 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:36:41pm

re: #251 pat

Interesting you bring that up. I cannot remember such a program and am going to research the subject. The Depression is a solid core matter in economics. Mostly about what idiots Hoover and Roosevelt were (tight money). I do not remember the mortgage buy in ever being mentioned. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

When I heard him say it during the debate, my alarms went off.
I've just never heard of this, and it doesn't sound right to me.
As above, the gov't *did* effectively run a mortgage service, but that's not at all the same thing as actually purchasing homes and selling them later at a profit, as Obama claimed.

Here it is again, in full context:


LEHRER: Before we go to another lead question. Let me figure out a way to ask the same question in a slightly different way here. Are you -- are you willing to acknowledge both of you that this financial crisis is going to affect the way you rule the country as president of the United States beyond the kinds of things that you have already -- I mean, is it a major move? Is it going to have a major affect?

OBAMA: There's no doubt it will affect our budgets. There is no doubt about it. Not only -- Even if we get all $700 billion back, let's assume the markets recover, we' holding assets long enough that eventually taxpayers get it back and that happened during the Great Depression when Roosevelt purchased a whole bunch of homes, over time, home values went back up and in fact government made a profit. If we're lucky and do it right, that could potentially happen but in the short term there's an outlay and we may not see that money for a while.

264 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:37:29pm

WaPo calls it a draw [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

265 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:39:41pm

re: #263 looking closely

Doing a cursory scan of New Deal I, and New Deal II, I see nothing involving purchasing of housing. I may have to dig a little deeper.

266 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:42:11pm

Wish Mc. had asked Obimbo"Is Iroc better off today"?

267 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:43:27pm

Anthony Kim is a badass. Not that anyone asked.

268 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:43:48pm

You might want to use a couple electrons and go over to Politico and participate in their lame poll. (Very bottom, on the right.)

Who performed better in Friday's presidential debate?

Barack Obama
75 %

John McCain
22 %

No clear winner
2 %

269 SummerSong  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:44:03pm

re: #241 Killian Bundy

No, I'm just a tiny retail dupe. The only fund I run is the, "SummerSong financial betterment initiative".

I don't like Cramer. I'm okay with it. :)

270 rednaxela  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:44:41pm

Kerry got a bounce out of the first debate in 2004 because he looked presidential enough.

My guess is that McCain will get a bounce out of this because he looked more presidential.

271 rednaxela  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:46:40pm

re: #268 HelloDare

They've also got this headline:

"McCain goes on offense; Obama plays it cool"

Cool my ass. He was flustered, agitated and kept interrupting.

272 NomadOfNorad  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:46:48pm

re: #228 merrytexas

The writers of that show had some good zingers for Rockford.

I remembered that line because they used it in one of the commercials that appeared heavily during its syndication run many moons ago.

273 Rev. Churchmouse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:48:20pm

re: #260 looking closely

re: #260 looking closely


But did the gov't (eg "Roosevelt") ever "purchase a whole bunch of homes" as Obama claimed?


Check with Joe Biden. He might have taped Roosevelt's announcement on his VCR.

274 sngnsgt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:48:28pm

re: #268 HelloDare

Kos and DU are posting links to and packing every on-line poll they can find.

275 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:49:19pm
Now six years ago, I stood up and opposed this war at a time when it was politically risky to do so because I said that not only did we not know how much it was going to cost, what our exit strategy might be, how it would affect our relationships around the world, and whether our intelligence was sound, but also because we hadn't finished the job in Afghanistan.

Reality check.

In 2002 Obama was an Illinois State Senator who had just announced a run for US Senate. There was little political risk to Obama opposing the war at the time since as a State Senator he had no say in the imminent war vote.

This was his anti-war speech.

Note that his position on Iraq seems to be frozen in 2002. He made the same points tonight that he did six years ago. Which is OK, I guess, but he STILL hasn't talked about winning the war, only ending it.

276 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:50:31pm

Well digging through FDR's New Deals, I have found nothing about the government buying mortgages or land. Unless you count the TVA thing. But that couldn't have been sold for a profit.

/Obama was blowing smoke again.
//could probably give red a few pointers on that.

277 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:51:07pm

re: #273 Rev. Churchmouse

re: #260 looking closely


Check with Joe Biden. He might have taped Roosevelt's announcement on his VCR.

C'mon now, that's just silly. Everyone knows Biden was a Betamax guy...

278 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:51:26pm

Why are Barney Frank and Chris Dodd involved in the bailout? They should be wearing sack cloth and dunce caps.

279 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:52:03pm

re: #274 sngnsgt

Kos and DU are posting links to and packing every on-line poll they can find.

Great.
They love to live in a bubble.
Their stacking the polls isn't going to change the opinion of anyone who actually watched the debate.
And its likely to work for them as well as it worked for Ron Paul.

280 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:52:17pm

re: #277 cliffster

C'mon now, that's just silly. Everyone knows Biden was a Betamax guy...

Betamax? I thought he was still a 8mm kinda guy.

/or even Kinetescope

281 Rev. Churchmouse  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:54:02pm

re: #277 cliffster

C'mon now, that's just silly. Everyone knows Biden was a Betamax guy...

I was too. That's why I became a Republican.I've never forgiven Joe for selling out and joining the other side.

282 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:54:24pm

Time for some more music.

/trying to break the 7k barrier. help me out folks. :)

283 SummerSong  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:55:02pm

Say what you need to say -

John Mayer

284 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:55:04pm

re: #274 sngnsgt

Kos and DU are posting links to and packing every on-line poll they can find.

Great. Obama will think he did great. "Michelle, girls, look at this. People love it when I bumble."

285 Oldasdirt  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:55:47pm

re: #278 HelloDare

Why are Barney Frank and Chris Dodd involved in the bailout? They should be wearing sack cloth and dunce caps.

They should be wearing orange jump suits,and fearing for their asses.Well,not Barney probably.

286 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:55:48pm

re: #282 BlueCanuck

Time for some more music.

/trying to break the 7k barrier. help me out folks. :)

Hey man, I posted the Stone Roses awhile ago. That's digging deep.

287 HelloDare  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:56:55pm

When McCain wins, he should send Obama's girls a puppy.

288 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:57:35pm

re: #280 BlueCanuck

re: #282 BlueCanuck

Actually, Biden never took a stand. He heard his fellow democrat Al Gore was working on another project - "the internet" as it would eventually be called.

289 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:57:46pm

re: #286 cliffster

Ah yes, I forgot to ding you up for that. Thank you that was good tunage.

290 looking closely  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:58:33pm

re: #265 BlueCanuck

Doing a cursory scan of New Deal I, and New Deal II, I see nothing involving purchasing of housing. I may have to dig a little deeper.

In reality, there is probably little real "gotcha" value if this is true, but it would be another in a series of historical gaffes by the Obama campaign.

And it speaks badly to Obama's grasp of the current bailout situation if he has a wrong perception of what Roosevelt did during the Great Depression.

291 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:58:33pm

5 more posts folks in the next two minutes. Can we do it?

292 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:58:57pm

Blue - what part of Canuck land are you in?

293 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:59:15pm

I think

294 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:59:27pm

WE can

295 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:59:34pm

I think

296 Moe Katz  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:59:42pm

We can

297 cliffster  Fri, Sep 26, 2008 11:59:47pm

re: #292 cliffster

Blue - what part of Canuck land are you in?

you don't have to answer if you don't want

298 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:01am

re: #291 BlueCanuck

5 more posts folks in the next two minutes. Can we do it?


Is there a prize?

299 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:01am

Yes we can ...says Bob the Builder

300 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:07am

re: #297 cliffster

you don't have to answer if you don't want

Did we do it?

301 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:50am

re: #300 cliffster

Did we do it?

Either way, what part of the great frozen tundra are you in? :-P

302 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:55am

weet dreams all!

303 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:01:16am

9/27/08: KosKid - oh looky we won all the online polls!
11/4/08: KosKid - oh no, we lost the actual election, how could this be?

304 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:01:20am

re: #274 sngnsgt

Kos and DU are posting links to and packing every on-line poll they can find.

Interesting. So they're pulling a luaP noR here. They'll therefore get highly-skewed results that will then give them, and the Dems in general, a false sense that they're winning big-time... which will then lead to a certain complacency.

Which means they'll be doubly shocked when the election results go really, really hard over the other way come November.

Truth is, loading the results of these non-scientific polls is really not a very bright thing to do: They should really want to see more naturally-occurring numbers, so that they can gain a better idea of how things are actually going for them, but a lot of these guys are simply lazy-thinkers: After all, they make all their decisions based on feelings, not on logic and fact.

305 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:01:32am

re: #302 ggt

weet dreams all!

same to you ggt

306 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:01:55am

re: #292 cliffster

I live in Toronto Ontario. I post enough pictures of my travels around town, so I definitely not bashful about where I live.

307 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:02:30am

re: #302 ggt

Night ggt, weet dreams.

308 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:03:25am

re: #299 Inquisitive

re: #300 cliffster

Yes we did. 7,004 comments yesterday. W00T!11!

309 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:03:47am

re: #304 NomadOfNorad
I just might scare more conservitives into the voteing booth in Nov.as well.

310 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:04:01am

re: #306 BlueCanuck

I live in Toronto Ontario. I post enough pictures of my travels around town, so I definitely not bashful about where I live.

I've been to Vancouver, Montreal, Edmonton. Haven't been to Toronto yet, strangely enough. Looking forward to it thought.

311 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:05:18am

re: #304 NomadOfNorad

But, then, you guys knew that already. [Looks sheepish about his preaching to the choir explaining physics to a group of scientists]

312 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:05:53am

re: #310 cliffster

I've been to Vancouver, Montreal, Edmonton. Haven't been to Toronto yet, strangely enough. Looking forward to it thought.


I remember the 2 beer guys from up north,,liked em.Take off.

313 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:06:19am

re: #309 Oldasdirt

I just might scare more conservitives into the voteing booth in Nov.as well.

True. True. It just might at that.

Maybe we should go put in EVEN MORE votes for Obama! :D :D :D :D

314 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:07:50am

re: #311 NomadOfNorad

But, then, you guys knew that already. [Looks sheepish about his preaching to the choir explaining physics to a group of scientists]

Well....you never know who might have dropped by to take a peak...so you just might have been saying it at just the right time...if you know what I mean ...LOL

315 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:08:25am

re: #311 NomadOfNorad

But, then, you guys knew that already. [Looks sheepish about his preaching to the choir explaining physics to a group of scientists]

Well, they have the "repeat a lie often enough and it will become truth" bit down. So they try it, time after time, with poll results. They don't really get the cognitive disconnect there, though. Because they're stupid.

316 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:08:56am

re: #312 Oldasdirt

I remember the 2 beer guys from up north,,liked em.Take off.

Nice place eh?

317 SummerSong  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:09:12am

People forget

The Who - Eminence Front

318 looking closely  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:10:06am

re: #304 NomadOfNorad

Interesting. So they're pulling a luaP noR here. They'll therefore get highly-skewed results that will then give them, and the Dems in general, a false sense that they're winning big-time... which will then lead to a certain complacency.

Which means they'll be doubly shocked when the election results go really, really hard over the other way come November.


The problem is then, not realizing or willing to admit that they've been deluding themselves all along, they all scream "election fraud" when the only poll that actually matters doesn't match their consistently bogus tracking polls.

This time, should Obama lose, they're going to whine "Bradley effect".

319 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:10:29am

re: #314 Inquisitive

ROFL!

Yeah, you're probably right, at that!

I was just noticing that everyone else had already posted various parts of what I was thinking, in fewer words, as I was carefully crafting that message.... and I realized that all the regulars here already knew instinctively what I was saying, anyway. That they'd all "got it in one" as soon as they saw the comment I was replying to.

320 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:11:16am

re: #316 cliffster

Nice place eh?


Dang it,,now im stumped on there names,eh?
Take off to the great white north.

321 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:13:51am

re: #312 Oldasdirt

I remember the 2 beer guys from up north,,liked em.Take off.

Bob and Doug MacKenzie, spot was the "Great White North". SCTV was the show. Our version of SNL except it wasn't live. John Candy, Rick Moranis, and a few other famous comedians that are well known in the states now too.

/grew up on this in the 80's.

322 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:14:20am

Bob and DOug MacKenzie

323 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:16:17am

re: #321 BlueCanuck
Thanks,,Bob and Doug,,and BEER!Loved them guys,,even saw a movie they made,,think i Laughed for a week.

324 freetoken  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:17:12am

In other news....

Super-typhoon (cat 5 hurricane) Jangmi is bearing down on Taiwan.

Here is an IR view of that side of the world (superimposed upon a globe map). Jangmi is quite impressive and the eye very obvious even from well into space.

325 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:17:52am

There was a guy I knew on the local dial-up BBSs, back in the day, who started out using the nick Bob McKenzie for a short period of time, then for some reason switched to the nick Sam Johnson for there on out. He moved away in the late 80s or so, though, and so I lost track of him. Pity, he used to write some really wacky stories. Real knee-slappers.

326 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:37am

re: #310 cliffster

It's not that bad a city. Really strange kinda when you look at it from all angles. You have skyscrapers next to three story buildings in the downtown core. Lots of green space no matter where you go. Old and new is side by each. And lots of history here too. One day I am going to have to do the walk from Montgomery's Tavern to the battle of the Upper Canada Rebellion. Just for kicks. I have been to Old Fort York when I was younger. Been up the CN Tower, 9 years after watching it go up. The stories I have of this city, and I have only lived here for about half my life.

327 freetoken  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:47am

I hear there was a debate last night... since I was at the gym I missed it. Anything interesting happened that could be summarized in 50 words or less?

328 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:20:26am

re: #323 Oldasdirt

Ah the movie. "Strange Brew", that was a good one. Filmed mostly in Hamilton actually.

329 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:21:09am

re: #327 freetoken

I hear there was a debate last night... since I was at the gym I missed it. Anything interesting happened that could be summarized in 50 words or less?

By "last night," do you mean the-night-just-gone, that is to say, Friday night? Or do you mean Thursday night? I vaguelly recall there being mention of another debate or some such thing Thursday night. Or was it Wednesday night? Both?

330 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:22:01am

re: #321 BlueCanuck

Hey there blue! You're not retricted from visiting us tonight, I see.

I missed the debates altogether. From what little I caught afterwards, they weren't even trying to spin it as a decicive 0bama win.

331 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:22:51am

re: #327 freetoken

Sum up. Obama: uhmmm urrr uhmm. I got a bracelet too. Ummm the name is ummmm. . . . ..

332 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:23:10am

re: #326 BlueCanuck

I'll look you up if/when I'm there in town. What's the news on Halifax? I might be going there soon, or I might be bringing a crew from there down to Texas (depending on whether how long it takes to get together - it's only getting colder up there).

333 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:23:28am

re: #330 Fenway_Nation

Morning Fenway. I hope I am not restricted. I am at home. :D

334 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:28am

re: #332 cliffster

Haven't been to Halifax in 26 years. Can't help you out with that one. What do you do by the way?

/talking of crews and such. . . . .

335 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:45am

re: #331 BlueCanuck

Sum up. Obama: uhmmm urrr uhmm. I got a bracelet too. Ummm the name is ummmm. . . . ..

I have a feeling he's not going to live that one down. Muahahahahahaha!

336 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:25:41am

re: #333 BlueCanuck

Morning Fenway. I hope I am not restricted. I am at home. :D


I dunno...aren't we supposedly a 'hate site'? Aren't 'progressives' trying to restric access to 'hate sites'?

/what's my finger quote limit for tonight?

337 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:26:31am

re: #335 NomadOfNorad

Hell yah, that was such a "me too" answer from the playground.

/proving once again the job he wants is so far above his pay grade

338 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:26:38am

re: #334 BlueCanuck

Haven't been to Halifax in 26 years. Can't help you out with that one. What do you do by the way?

/talking of crews and such. . . . .

Software - telecoms. Right now, I'm in South America and Canada. God forbid I get accounts in the USA, the country I live in!

339 freetoken  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:26:53am

re: #329 NomadOfNorad

The Friday night one... I guess it doesn't really matter... these type of things I doubt changes very many minds (unless one of the candidates really screws up big time.)

I see that the debate headlines the BBC news website... they even have one of their notorious "Have Your Say" segments... with all the usual responses. I guess it is not as bad as the Economist's "World Electoral College" thingy going on...

Has anyone else noticed that this year there is a very, very strong flow of opinion from foreign (most European) sources about this election?

340 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:27:06am

re: #332 cliffster
Crews,Texas=Oil,Gas,tornados? Im from Texas

341 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:27:20am

re: #334 BlueCanuck

Haven't been to Halifax in 26 years. Can't help you out with that one. What do you do by the way?

/talking of crews and such. . . . .

You?

342 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #336 Fenway_Nation

Only if some one takes me to the CHRC. Otherwise I am still safe.

343 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:29am

re: #340 Oldasdirt

Crews,Texas=Oil,Gas,tornados? Im from Texas

Haha, well that doesn't say what part - oil, gas, and tornadoes all happen in Texas and all in different parts!

344 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:38am

re: #337 BlueCanuck

Well, we just KNOW he's going to continue to make gaffs like that one from here to November. All we have to do is keep collecting them, and rubbing the LLL's noses with them.

345 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:57am

re: #341 cliffster

Work for a security company as a security guard. Long story, and rather depressing actually.

346 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:30:19am

re: #343 cliffster

Haha, well that doesn't say what part - oil, gas, and tornadoes all happen in Texas and all in different parts!


Ft.Worth,but we still lookin for the fort.

347 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:31:53am

Well, I better head to bed before the sun comes up... :D

Weet dreams, fellow lizards! :^D

348 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:34:51am

re: #345 BlueCanuck

Work for a security company as a security guard. Long story, and rather depressing actually.

If a guy is happy, then his story is just a detail of the comedy of errors leading him to where he is. I'd love to hear yours sometime. When I'm in Toronto, I'll buy you a few Stella Artois (I had that brew first there in Canada, although it's available all through the States now)

349 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:35:18am

So no money quotes from tonight's debate then?

As a follow-up to my observation the other night about a couple of McCain/Palin lawn signs springing up seemingly overnight, a few more houses set up some equally prominent Obama/Whatshisname lawn signs- seemingly in direct response to the appearence of the McCain/Palin ones.

Right now it averages out to a 3:2 ratio in favor of McCain. A little too close for comfort, but not bad for a blue state.

350 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:35:51am

re: #347 NomadOfNorad

Well, I better head to bed before the sun comes up... :D

Weet dreams, fellow lizards! :^D

Same to you, Nomadof Norad

351 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:36:06am

re: #335 NomadOfNorad I have a bracelet.

I have a feeling he's not going to live that one down. Muahahahahahaha!

All I remember is-

McCain said: "Mr. Obama you just don't understand."

Mr. Obama said " I agree, I agree, I agree."


lol

352 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:37:40am

re: #346 Oldasdirt

Ft.Worth,but we still lookin for the fort.

Well, you've sure got the tornadoes going then, and downtown at that! That wasn't that long ago was it?

I love the museums there on what most people think is the redneck side of DFW. Nice place, good people. More than I can say for Dallas.

353 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:39:45am

Aaaargh! All I remember from the 2004 debates was being surrounded by BDS-sufferers who knew that every word from Kerry's gaffe-hole was destined to be spun into gold on the spot. Including the part about us giving uranium to Iran.

no fucking joke.

354 looking closely  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:43:26am

re: #327 freetoken

I hear there was a debate last night... since I was at the gym I missed it. Anything interesting happened that could be summarized in 50 words or less?

Honestly, not really.
No real big gaffes by either candidate.
Neither of them really hit anything out of the park.
A few pokes by each towards the other, but nothing that hit a vital organ.
If you are familiar with the two candidates neither one said anything particularly out of character or off the beaten path.
Obama was anti-Bush, anti-corporation, and anti-war.
McCain stressed his significant foreign policy experience.

/was that more than 50 words?

355 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:43:56am

re: #348 cliffster

More like a tragedy of errors, and when it comes to beers. I drink Guiness. :)

356 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:45:01am

re: #355 BlueCanuck

More like a tragedy of errors, and when it comes to beers. I drink Guiness. :)

Had to upding you on beer selection alone.

357 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:45:10am

re: #352 cliffster
Yeah,had a few bad tornados in town,Quick story,The FBI office on Summit Ave. was destroyed by the one a few years back.The FBI had like 3,000 agents running all over west side of town,picking up peices of paper.That was fun to watch.
Kimball art and the Science and nature museums are the only ones i been to.Want to get to the "Women of the West Museum" but them gals got ropes and spurs,and im kinda scared.

358 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:10am

re: #353 Fenway_Nation

Aaaargh! All I remember from the 2004 debates was being surrounded by BDS-sufferers who knew that every word from Kerry's gaffe-hole was destined to be spun into gold on the spot. Including the part about us giving uranium to Iran.

no fucking joke.

I was in Colorado, traveling every week on business that entire season. I voted absentee, not that it matters since I live in Texas. The people I was on the road with were all dedicated liberals. So on election day, I listened to them and nodded early in the day, while they squawked gleefully about their coming victory. Then I holed up in my hotel room and watched the proceedings. If you'll remember, the dems were still trying to figure out a way to claim the GOP stole Ohio as election night ended, but when I went to sleep it was obvious which way things were going. I slept well that night. I'm not sleeping as well these nights though.

359 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:50:27am

re: #357 Oldasdirt

Yeah,had a few bad tornados in town,Quick story,The FBI office on Summit Ave. was destroyed by the one a few years back.The FBI had like 3,000 agents running all over west side of town,picking up peices of paper.That was fun to watch.
Kimball art and the Science and nature museums are the only ones i been to.Want to get to the "Women of the West Museum" but them gals got ropes and spurs,and im kinda scared.

That's hilarious. I had heard about the 2 or 3 Big Five accounting firms that had paperwork literally go out the window. Trying to explain why they didn't have backups, electronic or otherwise, of over a billion dollars in tax filings. Fun times. Hadn't heard about the FBI bit, so I guess their clandestine strategies are effective.

360 rednaxela  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:50:53am

re: #354 looking closely

Well, the interesting thing is that why the debate was going on, Obama continuously dropped on the Intrade market and McCain kept going up.

After the MSM started putting out their distortions the prices went back to where they were before the debate.

In other words, when it was up to viewers themselves to judge this, McCain was winning. When the pundits started working their mouths, the tide turned.

361 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:51:26am

re: #358 cliffster


If you'll remember, the dems were still trying to figure out a way to claim the GOP stole Ohio as election night ended, but when I went to sleep it was obvious which way things were going. I slept well that night. I'm not sleeping as well these nights though.

I remember the MSM was reeeeal reluctant to call Ohio for Bush throughout the whole night. The claims of voter intimidation and Diebold machines (the ones the Dems asked for in the first place) didn't catch my attention until a few days later.

2004 was also when I first heard of ACORN's shennanigans.

362 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:55:07am

Night marches towards day, and I need to beat it there. Thanks for the conversation, all!

363 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:55:54am

re: #361 Fenway_Nation
ACORN should not exsist.Am i right,are they getting money from the government to sign up DEM voters?

364 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:56:47am

re: #362 cliffster

Night marches towards day, and I need to beat it there. Thanks for the conversation, all!


Good night :)

365 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:57:47am

Night Cliffster. Weet dreams.

366 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:59:19am

re: #361 Fenway_Nation

I remember the MSM was reeeeal reluctant to call Ohio for Bush throughout the whole night. The claims of voter intimidation and Diebold machines (the ones the Dems asked for in the first place) didn't catch my attention until a few days later.

2004 was also when I first heard of ACORN's shennanigans.

One last thing, since you posted this.. speaking of Ohio, I can only imagine the voter intimidation that will be taking place in Cleveland, given BO's ground assault to date..

367 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:00:07am

Well everyone I guess it is time for me to end this day.....been being a "Dead Head" tonight, while reading the comments for last hr. Wow...I am "Greatful" there was music like that back in younger days.....and "Greatful" that I can still enjoy it.

Weet Dreams to all !

368 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:00:29am

I also have to mention that as a then-long-suffering Red Sox fan, the election came barely a week after the Red Sox capped the most dramatic comeback in baseball by sweeping the St. Louis Cardinals to win their first world series in 86 years.

One of my BDS-suffering co-workers was out of town on Election day (and the clinching game of the World Series) but saw me a few days after the election and glowered "I bet you're happy.."

"Biggest comeback in all of baseball and the first World Series win for Boston in 86 years- you're damn straight I'm happy"

"I wasn't talking about sports..." she snapped back

369 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:04:13am
Syrian state TV reports a car bomb explosion in Damascus kills 17 people, wounds 14.


ROP?

370 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:07:14am

re: #369 ibmkeyboard

Workplace accident?

/I'd hate to pay out the worker's comp claims in Gaza and Damascus

371 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:11:31am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

Cnn says it was a car bomb. I'm guessing it was an assasination attempt.

372 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:15:49am

Kissinger makes it clear, Obama is a Liar

Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: "Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality."

373 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:15:55am

I feel your need for musical waves, but this is like the aimless jamming that Jerry Garcia did.. I was there

/im just not feeling it - need more Todd signing "Swing To The Right"

374 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:19:37am

re: #349 Fenway_Nation

So no money quotes from tonight's debate then?

As a follow-up to my observation the other night about a couple of McCain/Palin lawn signs springing up seemingly overnight, a few more houses set up some equally prominent Obama/Whatshisname lawn signs- seemingly in direct response to the appearence of the McCain/Palin ones.

Right now it averages out to a 3:2 ratio in favor of McCain. A little too close for comfort, but not bad for a blue state.

i'd put some Pallin signs up, but HRH is convinced the moonbats will suddenly storm the castle if we do. the fact tah they have no cojones doesn't seem to enter into the debate.

375 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:21:01am

re: #373 West Coast Freedom

I feel your need for musical waves, but this is like the aimless jamming that Jerry Garcia did.. I was there

/im just not feeling it - need more Todd signing "Swing To The Right"

were you ever at Winterland?

just curious.....

376 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:21:04am

re: #374 redc1c4

i'd put some Pallin signs up, but HRH is convinced the moonbats will suddenly storm the castle if we do. the fact tah they have no cojones doesn't seem to enter into the debate.

Beware of stupid people in large groups. HRH may be onto something there. Good morning red. Skulking about doing the usual?

377 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:21:49am

re: #370 Fenway_Nation

Workplace accident?

/I'd hate to pay out the worker's comp claims in Gaza and Damascus

payment in kind?

/cost savings......

378 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:22:40am

re: #376 BlueCanuck

Beware of stupid people in large groups. HRH may be onto something there. Good morning red. Skulking about doing the usual?

moi?

never.....

/hold this, would you? %-)

379 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:24:10am

re: #375 redc1c4

No - I have been hibernating

380 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:24:54am

re: #372 celtic templar

A couple of times during the debate McCain quoted Obama's own words and he responded, "I never said that!". Well, of course, he did. Not only did I read it but there's YouTube videos on the internet.

So I'm thinking, either this guy is a pathological liar or this is the most cynical Presidential campaign I can remember.

/or both

381 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:26:18am

re: #376 BlueCanuck

Beware of stupid people in large groups.

Around here, we call that the Daily Kos.

382 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:29:27am

re: #378 redc1c4

Nope, not on your life. It probably ticks if you were careless. :)

/and if you weren't I definitely wouldn't touch it.

383 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:29:38am
"Thought I'd finish that all up with a drum solo...!"


Tommy
Emmanuel!

Sha-zaaaam!

384 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:30:27am

re: #380 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady. I think that you are right on the first part. The second part is a given.

385 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:31:16am

re: #380 littleoldlady

My wife, who is an accomplished master debater, tore him a new a**hole. She did what every Maser Debater does, she took notes and cross referenced them. It was ugly, and threw down her pen in disgust of Obama. He CANNOT ever win a debate.

386 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:34:32am

re: #379 West Coast Freedom

No - I have been hibernating

dangerous ground: hibernating, dead head but never been to Winterland?

welcome to LGF: we fact check yo' ass..........

%-)

387 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:35:48am

re: #382 BlueCanuck

Nope, not on your life. It probably ticks if you were careless. :)

/and if you weren't I definitely wouldn't touch it.

since when does back bacon tick?

take off, eh?

388 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:35:56am

re: #385 West Coast Freedom

My wife, who is an accomplished master debater,

Heh heh....you said.....

/Ah, never mind.

389 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:36:27am

BlueCanuck! :-)

West Coast Freedom! :-)

How does one win a debate where one says nothing?

/um...um...yadda yadda...um... um

390 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:37:00am

re: #387 redc1c4

Knowing you? You would find a way. You try to spike and sabotage everything else around here. ;)

/white smoke

391 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:37:12am

re: #380 littleoldlady

A couple of times during the debate McCain quoted Obama's own words and he responded, "I never said that!". Well, of course, he did. Not only did I read it but there's YouTube videos on the internet.

So I'm thinking, either this guy is a pathological liar or this is the most cynical Presidential campaign I can remember.

/or both

or you don't 'member very good...........

/white smoke

392 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:38:08am

re: #388 Fenway_Nation

Heh heh....you said.....

/Ah, never mind.

To quote Sattv4u. . . Bad Fenway, bad.

/I wisely held my fingers from the keyboard.

393 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:38:12am

re: #390 BlueCanuck

Knowing you? You would find a way. You try to spike and sabotage everything else around here. ;)

/white smoke

you didn;'t get the letter i sent to spike my return to college, did you?

/dropout again %-)

394 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:40:42am

re: #386 redc1c4

I was broke - gimme a beak :)

395 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:40:48am

re: #393 redc1c4

From a former serial student, congratulations. Some education isn't worth the BS.

/I could teach a course on how to pick post secondary education.

396 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:41:41am

re: #391 redc1c4

or you don't 'member very good...........

/white smoke

Evidently, cocaine use can cause early Alzheimers.

/white powder

397 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:43:52am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Evidently, cocaine use can cause early Alzheimers.

/white powder

ROFLMAO. My keyboard and screen were spared due to prudent precautions taken.

/I swallowed my drink before scrolling further down.

398 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:43:54am

I'll take a powder...

/THAT white powder, Lil Olde...

399 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:45:02am

Karridine! :-)

400 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:46:02am

MCCAIN

65% 133,161
OBAMA

33% 66,566
NEITHER

2% 4,640
From Drudge report
Hi Ya'll

401 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:47:12am

re: #394 West Coast Freedom

I was broke - gimme a beak :)

peck, peck, peck peck......

let us know when you've had enough beak.

step up or fall back, n00b. life is tough for a hatchling, and it's your turn in the box.........

402 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:48:20am

re: #400 Oldasdirt

Seems like QUITE A FEW liked McCain's handling of thrashing of Obambi, Old as...

/*howdy, Lil Olde... Life good for you?

403 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:49:48am

re: #395 BlueCanuck

From a former serial student, congratulations. Some education isn't worth the BS.

/I could teach a course on how to pick post secondary education.

maybe we should trade notes.... email is active, and i'll trade my tirade for your insights.

red

404 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:50:08am

Oldasdirt! :-)

Karridine,

Life IS.

/I don't ask for much ;-)

Has it calmed down there at all?

405 looking closely  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:50:59am

re: #360 rednaxela

Well, the interesting thing is that why the debate was going on, Obama continuously dropped on the Intrade market and McCain kept going up.

After the MSM started putting out their distortions the prices went back to where they were before the debate.

In other words, when it was up to viewers themselves to judge this, McCain was winning. When the pundits started working their mouths, the tide turned.

Well, unless you think the composition of real time intranet traders matches those of undecided voters, even if you are right, it doesn't mean much.

Perhaps intranet options traders are market-savvy, and therefore intrinsically favor McCain as the obvious free market candidate. (I don't know, but it seems plausible).

Also, I'd suggest that options traders aren't always "right". The options market didn't predict the demise of WM yesterday. I know as I sold WM calls just the day before. . .as oblivious as everyone else. Not only are these worthless today, but so is the entire damn company.

A year ago, Hilary Clinton was WAY up ahead on the options market, and I actually though about shorting her. (Wish I had, retrospectively).

406 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:51:00am

re: #402 Karridine
Howdy,Life is good.Of corse it is,im liveing in America.Still the best place in the world to be.And a happy conservitive.

407 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:51:20am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Evidently, cocaine use can cause early Alzheimers.

/white powder

more fun when you're younger and less pain when you're older......

/Coke for everyone!

408 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:52:25am

re: #404 littleoldlady

The "Lemon Brothers" meltdown is daily news, repercussions are running amok, and the damned "Protesters" are STILL THERE, somehow immune to legal recourse or the mucky stench of 7 weeks in a swamp of their own making!

409 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:53:27am

re: #403 redc1c4

Simply put. All post secondary institutions are businesses. They are selling themselves to potential customers. Therefore they will miscontrue their product as much as possible and hope to get the foolish ones to fork out the cash. As well most customers(i.e. students) aren't taught how to read job markets and cycles, and tend to go with dreams and wish fulfillment.

/there's an essay or a paper in this at the least.

410 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:55:13am

re: #409 BlueCanuck

Simply put. All post secondary institutions are businesses. They are selling themselves to potential customers. Therefore they will miscontrue their product as much as possible and hope to get the foolish ones to fork out the cash. As well most customers(i.e. students) aren't taught how to read job markets and cycles, and tend to go with dreams and wish fulfillment.

/there's an essay or a paper in this at the least.

i wrote 6 pages of "this is bullshit, give me back my money...."

they did. %-)

411 Oriculum  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:55:52am

I just talked to a liberal about how Obama's plan would hurt the economy and she... listened to me... didn't really argue. Just heard my points and agreed. This feels weird.

412 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:55:55am

Sometimes you see the damndest things when you do a walkabout. Talk about lowering your standards.

413 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:56:44am

re: #401 redc1c4

nOOb I am I am

once a hatchling always a hatchling.... I'm too far gone

all I can type is all I am -

414 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:57:02am

re: #410 redc1c4

Well done. At the very least you just lost some of your personal time.

/yeah, yeah. Time is more valuable then money.

415 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:57:09am

re: #408 Karridine

Oy! :-(

Oh wait. You said LEMON!

;-)

416 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:57:40am

Almost time for fruitcup, and then I am off to bed.

417 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:59:45am

re: #416 BlueCanuck

Always worth staying up for the fruitcup, isn't it?

418 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

419 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:00:23am

re: #415 littleoldlady

Those young ladies were beautiful. Excellent vocals.

420 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:01:05am

re: #416 BlueCanuck

Almost time for fruitcup, and then I am off to bed.

then let me use this post to add just one more thing.....%-)

421 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:01:07am

Fenway! :-)

Blue,

I figured you weren't at work. :-/ Can't wait until they get tired of those restrictions...

422 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:01:40am

re: #417 Fenway_Nation

I had too. I missed the fruitcup all week and I was jonesing bad. :)

Thanks for the fruit cup littleoldlady. There might still be some cinnamon rolls from upthread still kicking around for the buffet. ;)

423 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:02:12am

Oh damn....almost forgot about that Hugo Chavez sweat-sock pruno.

424 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:02:28am

re: #420 redc1c4

No wonder I am jonesing. It's your $#%@#$ additions that have been messing me up.

/white smoke.

425 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:04:05am

re: #415 littleoldlady

Little Olde, I want to share with you a matter of pride...

I had to work (Saturday morning) while the debates were on, so my sons watched online...

My 13-year old reported back to me a few hours ago, thusly: "I didn't understand some of the big words, Daddy, but a lot of times when McCain spoke, Obama looked SCARED..."

/I think he got the gist of the debate! :D

426 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:04:57am

re: #418 littleoldlady

PURR-fect timing! Well done

427 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:05:22am

nite

428 BlueCanuck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:06:42am

well my drink is done, I have had fruitcup. So I am now out of here. Stay scaly lizards.

429 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:07:05am

re: #385 West Coast Freedom

My wife, who is an accomplished master debater, tore him a new a**hole. She did what every Maser Debater does, she took notes and cross referenced them. It was ugly, and threw down her pen in disgust of Obama. He CANNOT ever win a debate.

Would you mind sharing those notes somehow?

430 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:07:25am

re: #425 Karridine

Out of the mouths of babes!

My kid came home from school to watch the debate with us.

/Republicans are few and far between on campus
//besides, there were no parties this weekend ;-)

I never realized I'd taught her how to scream at the TV.

/SO proud! ;-)

431 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:08:31am

'Night, West Coast Freedom! :-)

Great seeing you, Blue! :-)

432 redc1c4  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:09:48am

re: #413 West Coast Freedom

nOOb I am I am

once a hatchling always a hatchling.... I'm too far gone

all I can type is all I am -

the LNDT is a harsh toke for the uninitiated. we're not hostile per se, just very moby/troll/a55hat resistant......

if you don't fit the profile, it'll be easy for you drop the rep.

if you do, i'd just say that Stinky is less painfull than Mandy.

433 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:10:22am

re: #430 littleoldlady

Get ON! :D

/he also said, "Obama tried to interrupt a lot!"

My sons are both fluently bi-lingual, Thai and English, and have well-developed skills at listening/observing speech and speakers... they HAVE TO, to pick up English in a Thai-language matrix!

434 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:11:51am

re: #433 Karridine

That interrupting really bothered talloldman.

/"What the heck is he doing?! This isn't the Bill O'Reilly Show!"

435 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:12:51am

re: #434 littleoldlady

Really.

And if it bothered your Tall Olde Manne, it bothered a fletch of a lot of normal Americans!

436 Pygmalienation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:13:53am

Excellent Tommy timing, Charles!
My lovely wife and I will be seeing him live Sunday Evening. I simply can't wait to see this guy, who as you are wont to say about Iowahawk, is "...Some kinda damn genius!"! Thanks for bringing Tommy to our collective attention. There are SO many great pickers out there but this guy is non pareil.
YES!

437 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:14:23am

re: #433 Karridine

Get ON! :D

/he also said, "Obama tried to interrupt a lot!"

My sons are both fluently bi-lingual, Thai and English, and have well-developed skills at listening/observing speech and speakers... they HAVE TO, to pick up English in a Thai-language matrix!

I can't tell you how jealous I am. My worst subject(s) in school were languages. I had (honest to goodness!) 12 years of French, and even back then I never got the hang of it.

438 rednaxela  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:14:28am

re: #405 looking closely

I agree with all that, but it there was definitely a correlation between what was going on in the debate and what happened on Intrade.

I.e. when Barry said "I've got a bracelet too" he went from -0.2 to -1%.
or when McCain called him on the tactics/strategy distinction, Barry went from -2 to -3%.

I just think instinctively, people watching this knew McCain was doing better. But of course many folks didn't see it and will only hear and read what the MSM's going to say and that will play out better for Barry.

439 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:14:31am

The reason San Fran Nan is against repealling the capital gains tax is, the socialists won't be able to control the money."..The Democratic Party identifies four dozen sponsors of their so-called ''donor servicing'' affairs here, including America Online, BellSouth, Ernst & Young, Texaco, United Parcel Service and the Federal National Mortgage Association, known as FANNIE MAE...
...Senator Russell D. Feingold, the Wisconsin Democrat who, with Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, has championed legislation to overhaul campaign finance, said today that he was ashamed of his party's fund-raising efforts. Mr. Feingold called it ''a system of legalized bribery and legalized extortion.''

440 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:17:00am

re: #437 littleoldlady

I had two semesters of it, and only used it once to interpret for a French salesman in Saudi Arabia, interpreting French-Korean! Rusty, but fun...

/you have YOUR geniuses, Lady, and I have mine. Not to be jealous... I also invest a lot of time teaching, polishing and enhancing my sons' English... :D

441 Pygmalienation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:20:03am

Sorry to barge in to the thread folks, just got home and saw this vid posted and wanted to thank the house. Please forgive the LNDT intrusion.
/Finishes another Sierra Nevada...

442 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:21:15am

re: #441 Pygmalienation

Saw you updinging others, (in the Spy)

Howdy to you, too...

443 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:21:35am

re: #440 Karridine

I speak Texan,and some english.

444 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:21:41am

re: #439 Oldasdirt

Not that it ever was a great bill or anything, but I think McCain Feingold should finally be trashed, especially given the relatively new trend of collecting donations online.

/I believe those two brothers in Gaza are still waiting for the money that Obama's campaign claims they returned...

445 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:22:18am

re: #443 Oldasdirt

Them there's two FINE langwidges, Mister...

446 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:22:41am

re: #437 littleoldlady

Nothing works like full-blown immersion. About 10 years ago, I got out of the Army and went down to South America solo with a backpack for three months. I had a nodding acquaintence with high-school Spanish, but by the time I boarded my return flight, I was able to discern Argentine Spanish from Peruvian Spanish.

/Don't know about the French, but most of the people I came across down there appreciated a good-faith effort to communicate in Spanish.

447 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:23:53am

re: #446 Fenway_Nation

I second this, Lady... immersion gives your subconscious a chance to REALLY USE a language, instead of book-learning it...

448 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:23:55am

Pygmalienation! :-)

What "barge in"?! Nobody "barges in" here.

/insinuate yourself! ;-)

449 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:23:59am

re: #445 Karridine

Them there's two FINE langwidges, Mister...


Ya reckon?

450 vbspurs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:25:31am

I FINALLY got the video of Chris Matthews calling McCain a "troll".

It's worse than I remembered. He carried on his slurs by calling him a codger. Ugh.

451 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:25:48am

re: #446 Fenway_Nation

Well I do know that the French Canadians are not very forgiving.

/not that they speak REAL French or anything. ;-)

And I understand that the French in France are even worse.

452 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:25:49am

re: #449 Oldasdirt

Well, as one who admits he can't speak Strine (Australian) OR Rural Georgian (outside Atlanta, not Russia) or Flatland Mississippi Drawl...

Yeah, I recon! :D

453 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:26:24am

PIMF... reckon

454 Pygmalienation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:27:12am

re: #442 Karridine

455 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:28:26am

re: #444 littleoldlady

Not that it ever was a great bill or anything, but I think McCain Feingold should finally be trashed, especially given the relatively new trend of collecting donations online.

/I believe those two brothers in Gaza are still waiting for the money that Obama's campaign claims they returned...


I just thought that Mr Feingold was looking for a ride under a bus.Mr. Feingold called it ''a system of legalized bribery and legalized extortion.''

456 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:29:04am

And so, with a mellifluous rhetorical flourish, I bid you fond adieu from beautiful, sunny 4:30PM suburban Bangkok, with the scent of jasmine fragrant on the soft breeze...

Tasks call.
BBIAW, Y'all

457 Pygmalienation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:29:12am

re: #448 littleoldlady

re: #454 Pygmalienation

Thanks!,you're gracious as always lol...

458 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:29:54am

re: #450 vbspurs

I FINALLY got the video of Chris Matthews calling McCain a "troll".

It's worse than I remembered. He carried on his slurs by calling him a codger. Ugh.

He's bitterly clinging to his verbal guns and 0bama-based religion.

459 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:33:32am

'Night, Karridine! :-)

460 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:33:48am

If 0bama was a martial artist, would his specialized technique be subbusification-fu?

461 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:36:40am

re: #460 Fenway_Nation

You just reminded me that next week i get a black belt in whimpering.

462 Pygmalienation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:37:22am

re: #454 Pygmalienation

Don't know what happened to my response, but I've been wading through the post debate threads (missed it live, as I was on the road) and there are lot's of great, inciteful and humorous comments and opinions as is always the case in Lizardom. Really love you guys! I can't wait for the Palin/Biden debate. I just hope some of the fence sitters (out "there") got a dose of the stark contrast in options between the candidates...

463 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:38:02am

re: #451 littleoldlady


That's the French for ya.

I really can't think of anything like that which happened to me down there. The most unpleasant people I came across were some moonbat Brits in Chile.

464 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:40:22am

WOW @ Chris Matthews.

I wish I could give him a tingle. From a tazer or something.

465 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:41:29am

re: #451 littleoldlady

Well I do know that the French Canadians are not very forgiving.

/not that they speak REAL French or anything. ;-)

And I understand that the French in France are even worse.

I fly online with a guy from France,and he hates US.Thats U.S.

466 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:45:01am

re: #465 Oldasdirt

Not unusual for the French.

467 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:47:42am

Must go for now,was great fun.I like this place.CYA soon.

468 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:48:50am

'Night, Oldasdirt! :-)

I'm out, too. Much to do...

Good day, ALL!™

469 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:53:29am

Wow- can't believe I'm outlasting the creme de la creme of the Dead Threads without really trying.

470 Evan from NZ  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 3:07:26am

This needs to be shared:

Moonbat Blogger on the recent rally against Ahmadienajd:

Zionist Youth Nazi Rally against Peace-loving Ahmadienajad

Some quotes from this ugly rant:

I've never been to a Klan meeting in Alabama and wasn't privy to the 1934 Nazi Party Congress in Nuremberg, but I assume this was similar: tens of thousands of enthusiastic bigots, waving signs, flags, and banners bearing ethno-supremacist mantras and racist ideologies against the "other" and framing themselves as perpetual victims of injustice and oppression. Especially striking and disillusioning was the vast number of blustering teenage Zionists and Zionettes, all smiles and brainwash, prancing up and down the sidewalk, yelling vile invective at passers-by who might not want to bomb an innocent country into oblivion. I saw these representatives of the next generation spitting the most horrific venom at the far-more-pious, Jewish Orthodox members of Neturei Karta, pushing and shoving all those who reveal to them the atrocious hypocrisy of hiding behind the phrase "Never Again" while denying (or oblivious to - which is worse?!) their own support for the systematic genocide and ethnic cleansing currently occurring in their name in their supposed homeland. I saw them picking fights with counter-protesters who know far more about Middle East history and the actual stipulations of the IAEA and NPT than their ignorant and racist parents do. Throngs of yarmulke-donning Shia LaBeoufs, tzitzit flapping against their thighs, cheering occupation and threatening violence to all those who disagree (and are far better informed) were patrolling Second Avenue. Even more startling were their tittering female counterparts: gaggles of young, profanity-shrieking Jewish girls, wearing tight-fitting "We Stand With Israel" t-shirts and looking more like Northeastern drama camp day-trippers, taking a break from trust falls and John Guare monologues to troll Manhattan thoroughfares, than a well-indoctrinated army of apartheid sympathizers bussed in from Yeshivas and synagogues all over the East Coast wielding inflated blue-and-white missiles, better described as noise-making phalli, emblazoned with pro-Zionist slogans. These are the new brownshirts. This is our future.

Even more fascinating was when I learned that Israelis are actually the perpetual victims of Palestinian oppression - what a relief! I can finally stop being such a bleeding-heart and rest easy that those villainous Arabs were expelled from their homes, their property stolen, their families murdered, their villages leveled, their livelihoods destroyed, their statehood and independence denied, their movement restricted, and their food, water, and electricity rationed for a damn good reason (they're all anti-Semitic terrorists remember?). Whew! Plus, whenever the Israeli fait accompli of the Palestinian Nakba is questioned or condemned (how dare they!) by some pesky human rights fanatic, I now know just to shrug, smirk, and say "That was, like, a really long time ago, why don't they just move on? The Palestinians need to get over it!" (Thanks to that girl in the David Project shirt for this brilliant retort - naturally, the same courtesy of "needing to get over it" is not extended to the families of Holocaust victims who seem to enjoy Never Againing all the livelong day by equating Palestinian resistance to a brutal Israeli occupation to the tragic Aryan genocide of European Jews. And please don't ask why Palestinian resistance to occupation over the past 60 years isn't compared to French resistance to occupation 64-68 years ago...that just makes Zionists angry.)

And according to this guy, Ahmadienajad is a peace-loving exemplar of an international stateman!

471 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 3:31:22am

So, who won the debate? I went to bed by 8 pm.

472 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 3:39:05am

Depends on who you ask. Some will say Obama won, others will say McCain won. Personally, I don't know exactly how I feel about it. Obama lied blatantly a few times, and McCain wasn't going as far as he should have to rebuke Obama's talking points. 40 minutes of the debate was spent on economic stuff when it was supposed to be a full foreign policy debate.

Obama definitely did better in the economic portion than in his foreign policy but McCain was so sure of his answers on foreign policy. It was clear that he actually knows what he's talking about.

Lots of times, Obama looked flustered. He kept kinda getting up in arms at McCain's responses and had a smirk on his face. He also interrupted McCain many times, which I thought was ridiculously rude.

All in all, meh. I'd give it to McCain about 58-42.

473 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:03:46am

re: #446 Fenway_Nation

/Don't know about the French, but most of the people I came across down there appreciated a good-faith effort to communicate in Spanish.

Concur Yr Analysis.

I learned Castilian well enough to convince three M.D.'s that I was from an adjacent province. They were highly impressed.

I can still read it well enough, and I watch Telemundo on occasion, to refresh my listening comprehension.

474 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:04:22am

re: #470 Evan from NZ

This needs to be shared:
Moonbat Blogger on the recent rally against Ahmadienajd:
Zionist Youth Nazi Rally against Peace-loving Ahmadienajad
And according to this guy, Ahmadienajad is a peace-loving exemplar of an international stateman!

The Big Lie is alive and well. Ironically, it is only western democracies like his despised America and Israel that stand between this ugly little Goebbels disciple and the otherwise inevitable late night thump on his door.

475 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:04:57am

re: #471 galloping granny

Obama.

476 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:09:59am

TheMatrix31 (#472),

Depends on who you ask.

{DRUDGE POLL}
WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
65% 142,564

OBAMA
32% 70,295

NEITHER
2% 4,919

Total Votes: 217,778

That's pretty one-sided.

477 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:12:10am

re: #471 galloping granny

So, who won the debate? I went to bed by 8 pm.

I thought McCain kicked BHO's ass until I was corrected by Gergen and the CNNers who pronounced that it's pretty much curtains for McCain, who failed to deliver a debate knockout in order to keep his dying election hopes alive.

478 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:13:38am

re: #476 Geepers

TheMatrix31 (#472),

{DRUDGE POLL}
WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
65% 142,564

OBAMA
32% 70,295

NEITHER
2% 4,919

Total Votes: 217,778

That's pretty one-sided.

That's true, but at the same time, it's just one poll out of many. I wonder how indicative the Drudge poll is of the general consensus around the country. Hopefully we don't have to wait too long to find out, and hopefully, it helps Mac.

479 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:16:13am

re: #477 sparrowlake

The Koskidz have been spamming the online polls all night....
FREEP LIST FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE (w/ UPDATES)

480 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:20:21am

BBC just interviewed Gregory Katz of AP who opined that McCain won the debate. He said McCain was very strong and that Obama didn't show enough flexibility or imagination.

481 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:21:56am

TheMatrix31 (#478),

Well, 220,000 people is a large sample and I don't know that Drudge has any heavy political leaning in viewership so I would accept it as generally accurate.

482 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:27:53am

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Obama.

Really? That does not seem to be what most are saying on Fox - or what the clips they are showing lead me to believe. Or what Kissinger said about Obama's comments? What makes you think that?

/not criticizing - curious.

483 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:28:46am

Killgore Trout (#479),

The Koskidz have been spamming the online polls all night....

What a ridiculous waste of time.

Akin to using a crayon to add zeros to you bank account statement.

484 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:29:21am

re: #477 sparrowlake

I thought McCain kicked BHO's ass until I was corrected by Gergen and the CNNers who pronounced that it's pretty much curtains for McCain, who failed to deliver a debate knockout in order to keep his dying election hopes alive.

Makes you wonder sometimes if they will all commit hari-kari if their boy loses.

485 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:29:24am

re: #481 Geepers

TheMatrix31 (#478),

Well, 220,000 people is a large sample and I don't know that Drudge has any heavy political leaning in viewership so I would accept it as generally accurate.

Let's hope so :) There was some Democratic African-American guy who was on Fox News a little bit ago who gave McCain a lot of credit too. It was good stuff, and actually kind of surprising. The anchors were like,"Wow!". Almost as shocked as I was to hear a Democrat give McCain props on the debate.

Next time out, McCain has to be more specific in going after Obama. Go after Fannie/Freddie connections to Obama. Go after the fact that he's been talking about reforming the Fannie/Freddie/etc system for so long now (2005, right?). There's so many things that he could have brought up. I don't know why he didn't. Time constraints? Didn't want to appear pissy/angry/pushy? Who knows.

I tell you what, though. It would have been great to see Romney in an economic debate with The One. He would go quickly from The One to "The None"

486 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:29:41am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz have been spamming the online polls all night....
FREEP LIST FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE (w/ UPDATES)

Great catch - such a brazen effort to subvert the integrity (*spit*)of the polls.

487 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:30:26am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz have been spamming the online polls all night....
FREEP LIST FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE (w/ UPDATES)

So, the koskidz have been spamming the polls like mad and McCain STILL won according to the Drudge poll? Sounds like John hit it right out of the park then.

488 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:38:19am

Wow. I'm looking at that Sarah Palin swimsuit video posted above [Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...] and I'm thinking if she came in second, what did the winner look like?! :-)

489 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:39:22am

Hey, are the dingy things broken? They're gray for me.

Has we broken the internets? Or has I broken them?

490 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:40:37am

Utterly disgusting. Just posted the link to the Kos spamming list on my Facebook.

Politics are a ridiculously draining exercise.

491 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:40:58am

re: #488 nonic

Have you seen Barry's swimsuit video?

Neither have I. Yay!

492 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:42:12am

re: #477 sparrowlake

I thought McCain kicked BHO's ass until I was corrected by Gergen and the CNNers who pronounced that it's pretty much curtains for McCain, who failed to deliver a debate knockout in order to keep his dying election hopes alive.

No surprise that the WaPo portrays McCain as an angry, stumbling, lying loser on today's front page, in the editorials and op-eds, in the business pages and in their entertainment section. And on TV? Forget about it. I've concluded that if it lands on my doorstep or comes in through the airwaves, it's all lies. My consolation is what Barry Goldwater taught me: "In your heart, you know he's right."

493 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:43:47am

re: #491 fat bastard vegetarian

Have you seen Barry's swimsuit video?

Neither have I. Yay!

He probably wears one of those French speedos, since he's so enamored with the French and Europe in general. And of course, "alls we can say is, Merci Bo-KOO!"

494 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:45:36am

I watched the debates last night with my bestest friend. We're psyched, ready to go, then his moonbat son and a moonbat friend of his showed up.

I finally told him to pause the tv for a second....

I can not stand people without jobs who want to debate tax policy.

495 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:45:56am

re: #484 galloping granny

Makes you wonder sometimes if they will all commit hari-kari if their boy loses.

Don't get my hopes up!
Just sent the boys off of the first scouting camping trip of the year. My ten year old's first one-he looked like a deer in the headlights.

496 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:47:39am

re: #494 fat bastard vegetarian

I watched the debates last night with my bestest friend. We're psyched, ready to go, then his moonbat son and a moonbat friend of his showed up.

I finally told him to pause the tv for a second....

I can not stand people without jobs who want to debate tax policy.

It's simple from their side-they want you to give them all your money. All that job stuff is a waste of their time when they can be at other people's houses, mooching.

497 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:51:34am

re: #494 fat bastard vegetarian

They have been taught that they have a "right" to money other people actually "earn."

498 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:54:26am

re: #496 livefreeor die

It's simple from their side-they want you to give them all your money. All that job stuff is a waste of their time when they can be at other people's houses, mooching.

So, last night, I finally gave up and left. Bill walked me outside and said, "Take me with you!" in his best "pleady" voice.

The "friend" was complaining that she has her Masters Degree and works for a pharmacy for 9.00 an hour.

I asked what she had done recently toward changing that. She shrugged. (meaning nothing)
I asked her to define rich. She shrugged. (meaning more than she has is rich)
I asked her what she thought about Barry asking for some dough out of the 700 billion for Acorn. She stared at me. (What's ACORN?)

I can not stand stupid jealous lazy uninformed raging moonbats.

499 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:55:52am

re: #498 fat bastard vegetarian

So, last night, I finally gave up and left. Bill walked me outside and said, "Take me with you!" in his best "pleady" voice.

The "friend" was complaining that she has her Masters Degree and works for a pharmacy for 9.00 an hour.

I asked what she had done recently toward changing that. She shrugged. (meaning nothing)
I asked her to define rich. She shrugged. (meaning more than she has is rich)
I asked her what she thought about Barry asking for some dough out of the 700 billion for Acorn. She stared at me. (What's ACORN?)

I can not stand stupid jealous lazy uninformed raging moonbats.

What was her Masters in?

500 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:57:43am

re: #499 livefreeor die

I'm sure it was "womens studies" or sumthin'. Didn't ask. Didn't care.

501 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:01:39am

re: #494 fat bastard vegetarian

I watched the debates last night with my bestest friend. We're psyched, ready to go, then his moonbat son and a moonbat friend of his showed up.

I finally told him to pause the tv for a second....

I can not stand people without jobs who want to debate tax policy.

When I was a PhD student, I was at a function with a prof who had his PhD from Harvard. He was clearly a hard-core socialist. He kept trying to lead me to his way of thinking, but I wasn't a 19-year old mush-head like his students (I was probably 30 at the time and had supported myself for years). He kept pushing boo-koo (sp) social programs. Finally, I asked him what he actually believed -- he said that he believed that society should provide the basic necessities and that people shouldn't have to to work. Only those who want to work should work. I was so dumbstruck by that (and the keg) that I didn't ask the obvious question -- what if nobody wants to work?

502 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:01:50am

re: #500 fat bastard vegetarian

I'm sure it was "womens studies" or sumthin'. Didn't ask. Didn't care.

I'm always telling my boys about my grandfather and grandmother, who started with nothing, and both worked their way into a good life. No one handed anything to them. My husband and I met in college and we both planned ahead then for stable careers that would allow us to spend time with our kids.

It drives me up the wall when people sit on someone else's couch and whine about how they want more in life but don't even want to think about how to get there. They just want someone to hand it to them. Well, hey, if someone was handing out easier lifestyles, that would have been great but they're not, so we work hard.

503 Lively  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:05:03am

re: #500 fat bastard vegetarian

I'm sure it was "womens studies" or sumthin'. Didn't ask. Didn't care.

Any major that ends with "studies", I'm suspicious about.

504 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:06:04am

re: #503 Lively

Any major that ends with "studies", I'm suspicious about.


Yes, especially since there never seem to be any "studies" to back up what they "learn".

505 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:08:20am

#501 Chris

that society should provide the basic necessities and that people shouldn't have to to work. Only those who want to work should work

That seems to be the system they have in the UK. And from what I read in their papers, it is not going well. Massive influx of third-world moochers, and at the same time, HUGE out-migration of young, educated, productive people. What happens when there's nobody left working? I think we'll be able to see pretty soon. But then, if Obama and the UN have their way, the US will be paying their welfare in "global poverty tax."

506 Lively  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:08:23am

re: #489 fat bastard vegetarian

Hey, are the dingy things broken? They're gray for me.

Has we broken the internets? Or has I broken them?

Maybe Charles turned them off because there were so many people on here last night.

507 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:08:35am

Just saw a BBC segment where David Axelrod said that McCain "acquitted himself quite well". Considering the source, that sounds like an admission of defeat to me.

BBC is in the tank for McCain./

508 godfrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:08:43am

17th century Jewish choral polyphony (By the waters of Babylon) sung in Hebrew at an exceptionally high level. The composer is Salamone Rossi, who studied with Palestrina.

509 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:09:18am

re: #502 livefreeor die

re: #501 christheprofessor

Yep.

510 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:11:07am

re: #506 Lively

They're back on. To prove it? I'll ding ya!

511 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:12:17am

re: #495 livefreeor die

Don't get my hopes up!
Just sent the boys off of the first scouting camping trip of the year. My ten year old's first one-he looked like a deer in the headlights.

What fun!

512 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:12:32am

#507 Sparrow

BBC is in the tank for McCain

What does "in the tank for" mean? If it means supports, then I'm surprised. I guess SOME of the Europeans have got to have figured out that if the US isn't here and strong enough to defend their sorry asses, then they're really in big trouble.

513 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:13:34am

re: #505 nonic

#501 Chris


That seems to be the system they have in the UK. And from what I read in their papers, it is not going well. Massive influx of third-world moochers, and at the same time, HUGE out-migration of young, educated, productive people. What happens when there's nobody left working? I think we'll be able to see pretty soon. But then, if Obama and the UN have their way, the US will be paying their welfare in "global poverty tax."

Hey. Long time no see -- good to e-see you...

I agree. That's what makes it so obvious to me that it's all about power and has nothing to do with the actual welfare (no pun intended) of the people themselves.

Obama already introduced legislation to grant billions to the rest of the world, as I recall. As if giving somebody $5 will help. And all the while, he won't send a penny himself to his half-brother living in a shack in Florida.

These politicians who are generous with other people's money but not their own really piss me off.

514 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:14:12am

re: #511 galloping granny

What fun!


I hope he has a good time. His older brother is there and his dad/my husband went along. Unfortunately, it's supposed to rain a lot of the time.

515 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:15:05am

re: #512 nonic

#507 Sparrow


What does "in the tank for" mean? If it means supports, then I'm surprised. I guess SOME of the Europeans have got to have figured out that if the US isn't here and strong enough to defend their sorry asses, then they're really in big trouble.

They just had a rude awakening with Russia and Georgia...

516 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:15:45am

re: #513 christheprofessor

Hey. Long time no see -- good to e-see you...

I agree. That's what makes it so obvious to me that it's all about power and has nothing to do with the actual welfare (no pun intended) of the people themselves.

Obama already introduced legislation to grant billions to the rest of the world, as I recall. As if giving somebody $5 will help. And all the while, he won't send a penny himself to his half-brother living in a shack in Florida.

These politicians who are generous with other people's money but not their own really piss me off.


When Barry was rambling on about improving our image in the world and basically handing out money to make people like us, my husband and I were yelling at the TV, "What about your own brother?"

517 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:16:33am

re: #501 christheprofessor

When I was a PhD student, I was at a function with a prof who had his PhD from Harvard. He was clearly a hard-core socialist. He kept trying to lead me to his way of thinking, but I wasn't a 19-year old mush-head like his students (I was probably 30 at the time and had supported myself for years). He kept pushing boo-koo (sp) social programs. Finally, I asked him what he actually believed -- he said that he believed that society should provide the basic necessities and that people shouldn't have to to work. Only those who want to work should work. I was so dumbstruck by that (and the keg) that I didn't ask the obvious question -- what if nobody wants to work?

Well who the hell does he think would make the stuff and grow the crops and earn the money (or even print it) to provide all those basic necessities for those who don't want to work? They call it WORK because it is not FUN. Why would anyone choose to work if they could sit on their duff and have society provide while they played instead.

Some "PhD's" are just so "brilliant" they can't pour their own piss out of their own boot with a map and flashlight in broad daylight. (And they get paid for this?!)

518 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:16:52am

re: #512 nonic

I'll answer your rhetorical question with another:
What does the / symbol mean?

519 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:18:52am

re: #514 livefreeor die

"And I'm writing, you this letta;
Just to say my compound fractures getting betta..."

Allan Sherman

520 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:18:54am

re: #515 christheprofessor

They just had a rude awakening with Russia and Georgia...

Ah, if only 'twere true.

521 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:19:17am

re: #514 livefreeor die

I hope he has a good time. His older brother is there and his dad/my husband went along. Unfortunately, it's supposed to rain a lot of the time.

If it is anything like our Girl Scout camping trips, they will simply turn trash bags into raincoats and keep on keeping on with the fun anyway. I would not guarantee that though. My ex is a Boy Scout leader, best known for forgetting the can opener, blowing up the beans in the campfire and bringing only a 10 gallon kettle and a ladle to cook pancakes for the multitudes. (Obviously I did not manage to teach him much.) And one of the last camp outs I took my GS troop on some years back we camped across the way from a Boy Scout troop who spent their weekend in the RV watching football. :)

522 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:19:59am

re: #516 livefreeor die

When Barry was rambling on about improving our image in the world and basically handing out money to make people like us, my husband and I were yelling at the TV, "What about your own brother?"

Exactly.

btw, that should have been Africa, not Florida (must have been thinking of my own loser brother, who lives in FL)...

523 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:20:56am

re: #519 fat bastard vegetarian

"And I'm writing, you this letta;
Just to say my compound fractures getting betta..."

Allan Sherman

Yes, every time the phone rings between now and tomorrow morning and it comes up a cell phone, the baby-to-be is going to be getting a big shot of adrenaline (unfortunately based on a prior camping/hiking injury my older one got).

524 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:22:21am

re: #517 galloping granny

As I think back, I suspect he believed that since some people are filthy rich, they could just take from them and give to all the rest.

Idiot probably never saw a farm or factory. Stuff just magically appears! His PhD was in Philosophy -- probably never left the Ivory Tower in his life.

525 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:23:25am

re: #521 galloping granny

If it is anything like our Girl Scout camping trips, they will simply turn trash bags into raincoats and keep on keeping on with the fun anyway. I would not guarantee that though. My ex is a Boy Scout leader, best known for forgetting the can opener, blowing up the beans in the campfire and bringing only a 10 gallon kettle and a ladle to cook pancakes for the multitudes. (Obviously I did not manage to teach him much.) And one of the last camp outs I took my GS troop on some years back we camped across the way from a Boy Scout troop who spent their weekend in the RV watching football. :)

I was a Girl Scout all the way through and I keep telling my sons, "If there isn't a gypsy moth caterpillar infestation, your trip will be fine." Went camping in high school during the worst infestation in modern Connecticut history. They were everywhere-sleeping bag zippers, tents, food.

526 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:24:58am

re: #524 christheprofessor

As I think back, I suspect he believed that since some people are filthy rich, they could just take from them and give to all the rest.

Idiot probably never saw a farm or factory. Stuff just magically appears! His PhD was in Philosophy -- probably never left the Ivory Tower in his life.

I have come to the conclusion over the years that we should insist that everyone spend at least two years after high school doing something "real" before they are allowed to enter the vaunted Ivory Halls. Sling hash, flip burgers, go into the military - anything low paying and hard. Earn some money, find out what "work" really is and decide what you really want to be when you grow up.

527 fat bastard vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:25:57am

Well, speaking of work....

528 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:27:00am

re: #525 livefreeor die

I was a Girl Scout all the way through and I keep telling my sons, "If there isn't a gypsy moth caterpillar infestation, your trip will be fine." Went camping in high school during the worst infestation in modern Connecticut history. They were everywhere-sleeping bag zippers, tents, food.

I bet I know what year that was! I have to tell you, I was a Curved Bar myself, a leader when my own kids were in GS but I am very disappointed in the ways that GS has changed for my granddaughter's era. Definitely not the Girl Scouts that we knew.

529 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:28:12am

re: #526 galloping granny

I have come to the conclusion over the years that we should insist that everyone spend at least two years after high school doing something "real" before they are allowed to enter the vaunted Ivory Halls. Sling hash, flip burgers, go into the military - anything low paying and hard. Earn some money, find out what "work" really is and decide what you really want to be when you grow up.

No disagreement from me. My students appreciate the fact that I can actually tell them, from my work experience, where the books are wrong and how it really is. It was patently obvious to me when I was in college who had worked before becoming a prof and who hadn't.

530 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:29:59am

re: #528 galloping granny

I bet I know what year that was! I have to tell you, I was a Curved Bar myself, a leader when my own kids were in GS but I am very disappointed in the ways that GS has changed for my granddaughter's era. Definitely not the Girl Scouts that we knew.

I only have boys so I'm not familiar with the new program. What have they changed? The only one I've noticed so far is that when I told one of my son's gal friends, who was a Girl Scout, that I would be happy to help her if she wanted advice on getting the Gold Award, she said she didn't think she wanted to get it. The leaders didn't seem to be discussing it much with the girls or the fact that's it's a huge achievement.

531 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:31:23am

re: #529 christheprofessor

No disagreement from me. My students appreciate the fact that I can actually tell them, from my work experience, where the books are wrong and how it really is. It was patently obvious to me when I was in college who had worked before becoming a prof and who hadn't.

It is also patently obvious from the other side of the desk who has acquired a little bit of life experience and the organizational skills & dedication that brings and who is still riding on Daddy's dime and is most concerned with what time the kegger starts.

532 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:32:00am

re: #529 christheprofessor

No disagreement from me. My students appreciate the fact that I can actually tell them, from my work experience, where the books are wrong and how it really is. It was patently obvious to me when I was in college who had worked before becoming a prof and who hadn't.


I couldn't agree more. I have a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and teach adjunct in a local graduate program. I firmly believe that only people who have actually practiced should teach the stuff and the students like hearing about what the realties of actual practice are.

533 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:37:54am

re: #530 livefreeor die

I only have boys so I'm not familiar with the new program. What have they changed? The only one I've noticed so far is that when I told one of my son's gal friends, who was a Girl Scout, that I would be happy to help her if she wanted advice on getting the Gold Award, she said she didn't think she wanted to get it. The leaders didn't seem to be discussing it much with the girls or the fact that's it's a huge achievement.

They have changed almost everything. There is little emphasis on individual accomplishment. Many fewer badges and every single one of them has a huge, must do specified in detail "volunteer" component. None of the badge requirements require the girls to use any great deal of imagination, design anything themselves or do much in the way of research.

They have also changed all of the basic rules and principles. The Promise is entirely different, the Girl Scout Laws are entirely different, and you never see or hear Be Prepared anymore!

We just got the winter special activities flyer for the new Vermont-New Hampshire (they made the councils combine) Girl Scout Council and it is very disappointing. Almost nothing for grade 6 and up - workshops for Bronze/Silver/Gold, a seminar on automotive basics and another on welding for seniors only. How to build a video game - to be accomplished and posted to the web in 2.5 hours (yeah, right!). The stuff for the younger girls seems to center around tea parties & teddy bears, with a little bit of Looking My Best thrown in. Not a single fall or winter camping event, bike trip, hike or any of the other things that we were so involved in and we did so much of when I was a GS leader.

534 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:38:53am

re: #531 galloping granny

re: #532 livefreeor die

Yeppers. It is sad that we have allowed our educational system to become so bad. I had a student turn in a paper that was supposed to be a minimum of four pages the other day -- it was one and a half pages long. Then she griped mightily about the fact that she only got 10% credit (I thought I was being generous) on it.

It's bad enough that they don't care about their own image, but then they start insulting one's intelligence...

535 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:39:30am

re: #532 livefreeor die

I couldn't agree more. I have a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and teach adjunct in a local graduate program. I firmly believe that only people who have actually practiced should teach the stuff and the students like hearing about what the realties of actual practice are.

Good morning,
Always like to look at Dr Sanity. So in your professional opinion, technically speaking, is Obama Nuts?

536 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:41:23am

re: #534 christheprofessor

re: #532 livefreeor die

Yeppers. It is sad that we have allowed our educational system to become so bad. I had a student turn in a paper that was supposed to be a minimum of four pages the other day -- it was one and a half pages long. Then she griped mightily about the fact that she only got 10% credit (I thought I was being generous) on it.

It's bad enough that they don't care about their own image, but then they start insulting one's intelligence...

I think you were being generous too. I would not have accepted the paper and would not have allowed her to turn it in late. For that matter, when I assign the kiddo a paper I specify length, content and the days the draft and final versions are due - and then I make her sign a contract acknowledging the details. She is 11. ("On Time" is a very important quality to me . . .)

537 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:41:46am

#518 Sparrow

It was not a rhetorical question. "In the tank for." I'm guessing it means supports. But is that correct?

I think / after a statement means that the speaker is being ironic or sarcastic, i.e., does not truly mean what he's saying.

But don't go by me.

(I'm having a lot of trouble with this site at the moment. I may give up and come back another time.)

538 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:42:31am

re: #535 lifeofthemind

Good morning,
Always like to look at Dr Sanity. So in your professional opinion, technically speaking, is Obama Nuts?

Ha! That just elicited my first laugh of the day (I try to laugh as much as possible -- strikes me as healthy)...

539 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:32am

re: #533 galloping granny

They have changed almost everything. There is little emphasis on individual accomplishment. Many fewer badges and every single one of them has a huge, must do specified in detail "volunteer" component. None of the badge requirements require the girls to use any great deal of imagination, design anything themselves or do much in the way of research.

They have also changed all of the basic rules and principles. The Promise is entirely different, the Girl Scout Laws are entirely different, and you never see or hear Be Prepared anymore!

We just got the winter special activities flyer for the new Vermont-New Hampshire (they made the councils combine) Girl Scout Council and it is very disappointing. Almost nothing for grade 6 and up - workshops for Bronze/Silver/Gold, a seminar on automotive basics and another on welding for seniors only. How to build a video game - to be accomplished and posted to the web in 2.5 hours (yeah, right!). The stuff for the younger girls seems to center around tea parties & teddy bears, with a little bit of Looking My Best thrown in. Not a single fall or winter camping event, bike trip, hike or any of the other things that we were so involved in and we did so much of when I was a GS leader.

That's horrible! The badges were some of the best educational experiences you could have. I learned so much from the various ones when different parents would offer various badges and we got to choose which one to do.

Despite the gypsy moth fiasco, most of the camping trips were great fun and I learned to be confident in living without amenities and how to handle emergencies. I also learned that unless you work at things, they don't get done.

540 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:39am

re: #537 nonic

IE does not handle long threads well. I understand that IE 6, if you are using it, is especailly bad.

541 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:47am

re: #536 galloping granny

I think you were being generous too. I would not have accepted the paper and would not have allowed her to turn it in late. For that matter, when I assign the kiddo a paper I specify length, content and the days the draft and final versions are due - and then I make her sign a contract acknowledging the details. She is 11. ("On Time" is a very important quality to me . . .)

She hates it now but will love you for it later...

542 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:44:42am

re: #537 nonic

"In the tank for" basically means shilling for...

543 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:45:45am

re: #535 lifeofthemind

Good morning,
Always like to look at Dr Sanity. So in your professional opinion, technically speaking, is Obama Nuts?

The lighting was terrible-
It looked like his lips were freezing.

They turned the Color Purple.

544 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:46:04am

Time to take the pup to the park. You all have a fantabulous day!

545 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:46:25am

re: #535 lifeofthemind

Good morning,
Always like to look at Dr Sanity. So in your professional opinion, technically speaking, is Obama Nuts?

Ethically, I can't render a professional opinion.

But personally, I don't understand how people could watch his performance last night and think he is presidential material.

The dead soldier's bracelet moment on his part was disgusting.

546 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:46:41am

re: #538 christheprofessor

Ha! That just elicited my first laugh of the day (I try to laugh as much as possible -- strikes me as healthy)...

Laughing may be frowned upon in some settings. Years ago I discovered that the best way to piss off a boss can be to walk around smiling. It could drive the XO nuts. "Why is that Junior Officer smiling?"

547 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:46:52am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some instant polling is out from last night's debate, and they want to claim that Obama won (sometimes handily).

Instapundit and several other online polls suggest that the results were a wee bit different - landslide for McCain.

I didn't watch, so it's interesting to see just how far off the polls are from each other. Did someone not watch the debate and simply punched a button like a monkey in a test cage? There must be a whole lot of someones, since the views are so divergent.

548 Lively  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:47:20am

re: #510 fat bastard vegetarian

They're back on. To prove it? I'll ding ya!

That's the best ding I've had all day.

549 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:47:30am

re: #547 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some instant polling is out from last night's debate, and they want to claim that Obama won (sometimes handily).

Instapundit and several other online polls suggest that the results were a wee bit different - landslide for McCain.

I didn't watch, so it's interesting to see just how far off the polls are from each other. Did someone not watch the debate and simply punched a button like a monkey in a test cage? There must be a whole lot of someones, since the views are so divergent.

550 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:48:35am

re: #543 ibmkeyboard

The lighting was terrible-
It looked like his lips were freezing.

They turned the Color Purple.

Goes with the Mussolini poster image.

551 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:49:28am

re: #547 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some instant polling is out from last night's debate, and they want to claim that Obama won (sometimes handily).

Instapundit and several other online polls suggest that the results were a wee bit different - landslide for McCain.

I didn't watch, so it's interesting to see just how far off the polls are from each other. Did someone not watch the debate and simply punched a button like a monkey in a test cage? There must be a whole lot of someones, since the views are so divergent.

Whoops, hit the wrong button before posting.

There were some comments up thread-the Koskidz had a Freep list for all their little minions to go crazy on.

552 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:49:33am

#517 granny

Some "PhD's" are just so "brilliant" they can't pour their own piss out of their own boot with a map and flashlight in broad daylight

That is a MAJOR problem with professors, in any field at any institution. Probably the fancier the school, the worse the problem.

Yes, Chris, I know there are exceptions.

But from my considerable experience with the professoriate, they think they are very special because (1) they only work part-time jobs for big full-time salaries, (2) their students are all willing to kow-tow to get a decent grade, (3) the general public affords them respect just because of their titles. When in reality, they are just people who never wanted to leave school and struggle in the "real world," so they made a career of it.

The scary part is that his time as an adjunct professor (that's part-time, part-time) is one of Obama's main "qualifications."

553 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:50:36am

re: #545 livefreeor die

The dead soldier's bracelet moment on his part was disgusting.


He had it waiting and he flubbed it without a teleprompter. If the MSM wasn't covering him he couldn't get elected Coroner.

554 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:51:46am

re: #541 christheprofessor

She hates it now but will love you for it later...

Actually, she does not hate me for it - at least this year. The contract idea was one that we came to a mutual agreement over in order to avoid misunderstandings and ill-feelings. We did not do this last year and had a problem over a couple of things where we both ended up feeling put out and wronged. So this year we are doing contracts and a formal planner book (for her) to keep on track.

Got the idea from an English professor I had in college - most recent trip that is. She laid out specific requirements for a C, B and A. Each student chose the grade they wanted to receive according to the amount of work that they wanted to put in. You signed the detailed contract and then you kept to it or got an F. One of the best classes I've taken.

555 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:52:54am

re: #553 lifeofthemind

He had it waiting and he flubbed it without a teleprompter. If the MSM wasn't covering him he couldn't get elected Coroner.

It reminded my husband and I of when Bush I spoke about the loss of his daughter and how it affected his pro-life stance and Dukakis' response was, "Hey, we lost a baby too." Like it was a competition.

McCain spoke eloquently about what the bracelet meant to him and Barry didn't know s--- about his and just used it as a prop.

556 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:54:35am

re: #552 nonic

#517 granny

That is a MAJOR problem with professors, in any field at any institution. Probably the fancier the school, the worse the problem.

Yes, Chris, I know there are exceptions.

But from my considerable experience with the professoriate, they think they are very special because (1) they only work part-time jobs for big full-time salaries, (2) their students are all willing to kow-tow to get a decent grade, (3) the general public affords them respect just because of their titles. When in reality, they are just people who never wanted to leave school and struggle in the "real world," so they made a career of it.

The scary part is that his time as an adjunct professor (that's part-time, part-time) is one of Obama's main "qualifications."

He was not an adjunct professor, or an associate professor, assistant professor or any other kind of professor. His title was "lecturer." That is a slot normally filled by grad students at many institutions.

557 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:57:49am

Here's a follow-up question- had anyone ever seen Barry wearing the bracelet before? Or was it that someone on his staff noticed McCain had one and thought it would look good to have one too.

558 Rancher  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:58:09am

Morning. Who won last night? I wasn't really paying much attention.

559 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:58:13am

re: #547 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some instant polling is out from last night's debate, and they want to claim that Obama won (sometimes handily).

It help sI hope when they are over the top and start ranting McNasty. When we show up at a street fair to smile and wave and invite people to "Join the big tent party" the catcalls and threats from scruffy and angry looking leftists probably help gain Republican votes.

560 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:03:34am

re: #537 nonic

OK

go in the tank, Boxing Slang. to go through the motions of a match but deliberately lose because of an illicit prearrangement or fix; throw a fight.


By adding the sarc tag, I was trying to make it crystal clear that my comment was meant to convey the exact opposite of what I wrote. i.e. BBC is NOT in the tank for McCain.

I am pleasantly surprised that the BBC has actually reported on the debate in a relatively fair manner.

561 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:04:01am

re: #556 galloping granny

He was not an adjunct professor, or an associate professor, assistant professor or any other kind of professor. His title was "lecturer." That is a slot normally filled by grad students at many institutions.

Chicago doesn't use Adjunct faculty titles. For the Law school he was the equivelent of an Assistant to Associate Prof, at about $30,000. The big problem was it was arranged by his friends, Pritzker & Ayers probably, without normal faculty review and with no scholarly activity on his part.

562 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:02am

re: #557 livefreeor die

Here's a follow-up question- had anyone ever seen Barry wearing the bracelet before? Or was it that someone on his staff noticed McCain had one and thought it would look good to have one too.

I did see a gray bracelet on his arm in a picture last week but that is the first I have noticed it.

563 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:09am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

That was a warm-up debate for McCain and petulant Obambi lost. He couldn't complete a sentence, his points were all over the map and his stammering was beyond annoying. Bleated like a sheep over the bracelet point. Yeesh.

McCain's going to make mincemeat out of this turkey.

We have a drizzly, slate-grey day in the valley today and I'm not motivated to do too much 'cept a few chores and maybe prepare some baked ziti for dinner tonight - thanks for the recipe again, CtP - it's a winnah! :D

564 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:27am

re: #561 lifeofthemind

Chicago doesn't use Adjunct faculty titles. For the Law school he was the equivelent of an Assistant to Associate Prof, at about $30,000. The big problem was it was arranged by his friends, Pritzker & Ayers probably, without normal faculty review and with no scholarly activity on his part.

That alone is pretty dumbfounding.

565 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:11am

#518 Sparrow

So.......... you did NOT mean that "BBC is in the tank for McCain."

Which, I'm guessing, means supports.

Sorry, I don't know all the slang.

566 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:20am

re: #563 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

That was a warm-up debate for McCain and petulant Obambi lost. He couldn't complete a sentence, his points were all over the map and his stammering was beyond annoying. Bleated like a sheep over the bracelet point. Yeesh.

McCain's going to make mincemeat out of this turkey.

We have a drizzly, slate-grey day in the valley today and I'm not motivated to do too much 'cept a few chores and maybe prepare some baked ziti for dinner tonight - thanks for the recipe again, CtP - it's a winnah! :D

REcipe? Baked ziti? Where? :)

567 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:59am

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (64 degrees, going up to 72 degrees) and still raining Charlotte!
It's now been raining very steadily for over 24 hours, and I think THIS YEAR we won't be facing any more drought restrictions. YEA! LOL!

How is everyone doing this morning?

568 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:40am

re: #563 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

That was a warm-up debate for McCain and petulant Obambi lost. He couldn't complete a sentence, his points were all over the map and his stammering was beyond annoying. Bleated like a sheep over the bracelet point. Yeesh.

McCain's going to make mincemeat out of this turkey.

The more remarkable thing I think is that McCain went into this debate virtually without preparation - he dropped everything and returned to the job we pay him for in Washington.

569 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:49am

re: #558 Rancher

Morning. Who won last night? I wasn't really paying much attention.

My 2¢ worth. McCain did well but did not put Obama away. O got a couple of sound bites the media can use for him and M did not nail him on Rezco, Raines and Acorn. The first two questions gave him an opening on how Obama, Pelosi, and Reid were trying to Xmas tree the bailout to protect corrupt friends and the Republicans wouldn't buy it. McCain passed the opportunity by.

570 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:11:40am

re: #569 lifeofthemind

My 2¢ worth. McCain did well but did not put Obama away. O got a couple of sound bites the media can use for him and M did not nail him on Rezco, Raines and Acorn. The first two questions gave him an opening on how Obama, Pelosi, and Reid were trying to Xmas tree the bailout to protect corrupt friends and the Republicans wouldn't buy it. McCain passed the opportunity by.

McCain definitely has to hit Barry with those points more. He missed some golden opportunities. If he had nailed him with some of those, McCain would have had a home run.

571 livefreeor die  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:13:22am

Well, I must go, write an exam, and then get some household stuff done so that the washing machine is all set for when the campers return tomorrow.

There needs to be a mandatory laundry merit badge for Boy Scouts.

572 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:15:34am

re: #547 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some instant polling is out from last night's debate, and they want to claim that Obama won (sometimes handily).

Instapundit and several other online polls suggest that the results were a wee bit different - landslide for McCain.

I didn't watch, so it's interesting to see just how far off the polls are from each other. Did someone not watch the debate and simply punched a button like a monkey in a test cage? There must be a whole lot of someones, since the views are so divergent.

The thing is - the type of person who would support Obama would also believe his performance in the debate was sheer genius.

These are people who see the overconfident attitude, the vague condescension (the "John", the interrupting, the cross looks on Obama's face) and mistake that for depth and substance.

573 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:16:34am

#542 Chris

Thanks.

574 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:16:55am

re: #564 galloping granny

That alone is pretty dumbfounding.

Penny Pritzker, Trustee whose family the Medical School at Chicago is named for, is Obama's Finance chair and hosted the party for Ahmedinejihad at the NY Grand Hyatt. As an alumnus of the University of Chicago I am very unhappy about how the school has been used and its integrity compromised to support this man. Remember they arranged to get his wife a job first as an assistant to the Dean of the College and then as a Diversity Outreach Manager at the hospital, with a salary of $314,000/annum.

575 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:18:20am

re: #563 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪
. . .

We have a drizzly, slate-grey day in the valley today and I'm not motivated to do too much 'cept a few chores and maybe prepare some baked ziti for dinner tonight - thanks for the recipe again, CtP - it's a winnah! :D

Recipe? Recipe? Somebody say recipe?

Does it belong in the collection of lizard recipes I'm trying to put together?

576 loflyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:21:20am

Arrr, mates good morning! missed the debate last night, is anyone on the thread with government legal experiance? I wish to address my elected official's (my employers) off the clock at a public meeting and try to beat some sense into their heads (mentally, not physically!) I am scheduling a meeting with the county attornies next week to determine my legal options. I will not speak to them (my bosses) if they can fire me whilst off the clock....

577 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:21:43am

On LGF the / tag means that the author is being sarcastic or making a joke.
It began as /sarc or /jk and dwindled from there.
It may or may not have similar meanings on other websites.

578 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:23:09am

re: #576 loflyer

Arrr, mates good morning! missed the debate last night, is anyone on the thread with government legal experiance? I wish to address my elected official's (my employers) off the clock at a public meeting and try to beat some sense into their heads (mentally, not physically!) I am scheduling a meeting with the county attornies next week to determine my legal options. I will not speak to them (my bosses) if they can fire me whilst off the clock....

Getting the advice of locally experienced attorneys is your best option (things are different from state to state).

579 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:23:56am

re: #575 reine.de.tout

Recipe? Recipe? Somebody say recipe?

Does it belong in the collection of lizard recipes I'm trying to put together?

BTW, my daughter told me the other day that she had found a MAC program that lets you input recipes, stories, photos, etc. then formats it all into a PDF that is publication ready. She's typing my handwritten recipe books into it - I've long wanted to get bound copies for each of my girls. I can get the name of it if you want.

580 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:25:18am

Hmmmm - seems some folk are still doing a post-mortem on the debate last night.
So ok, here's what I thought and said last night -

I think this was a draw in the technical sense; neither McCain nor Obama "drew blood" - no gaffes (serious ones or ones that McCain felt were worth mentioning)
or any "uh's, oh's or "um" by Barry, no appearance of the ANGRY John McCain and - although they blew the first thirty minutes of the debate covering the "bailout"
bill, I did and do note that"
a) First chance McCain had to speak, first thing he said was that he wished Ted Kennedy the very best and would be praying for him (Never mind what you think of Teddy) - that was a classy remark from a classy guy and Obama NEVER ONCE mentioned anything about Teddy who was the earliest and arguably the most influential Dem to get on board Obama's ship.
b) McCain made a reference to Obama's never having had a meeting of the Senate Subcommittee which Obama heads and Obama's response - which was truly lame, was that it was a subcommittee on NATO so what's the big deal. Later on in the debate, when discussing Pakistan and Afghanistan, McCain should've said something like "well we've turned control over those Op's to our NATO allies, although we are the Big Dog there, but of course you'd be unaware of that, never having had a meeting of the Senate NATO treaty subcommittee which you chair and of course Mac should've said the same thing about Obama and getting Urkraine and Georgia into NATO
c) Senator McCain said "bi-partisan" about 2 or 3 times too often; interestingly enough, I don't recall Obama EVER talking about bi-partisanship; and
d) McCain CLEARLY WON the last 60 seconds of the debate when he talked about knowing what war is like, what it's like to be wounded and that as President blah blah blah..... - the audience response to that was telling and moving and Obama was left standing there with his mouth open again.
A good night for McCain and not a bad night for Obama.

581 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:26:32am

re: #579 galloping granny

BTW, my daughter told me the other day that she had found a MAC program that lets you input recipes, stories, photos, etc. then formats it all into a PDF that is publication ready. She's typing my handwritten recipe books into it - I've long wanted to get bound copies for each of my girls. I can get the name of it if you want.

yes, please! Although I have some assistants who have offered mucho help in this area.
I have a PC, but my daughter has a MAC.

582 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:27:06am

{realwest} Morning sweetstuff *smoochie* Having a good day?

{granny} CtP sent it to me. Basically it's layers of cooked ziti, zingy tomato sauce, soft italian cheese, basil and seasonings all lovingly baked and served with a crisp green salad and a glass or two of Chianti - or whatever else you prefer.

The printed recipe's around here somewhere - I'm going from memory as it only takes a first try to file it away in my brain.

583 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:37am

re: #582 Miss Trixie

{realwest} Morning sweetstuff *smoochie* Having a good day?

{granny} CtP sent it to me. Basically it's layers of cooked ziti, zingy tomato sauce, soft italian cheese, basil and seasonings all lovingly baked and served with a crisp green salad and a glass or two of Chianti - or whatever else you prefer.

The printed recipe's around here somewhere - I'm going from memory as it only takes a first try to file it away in my brain.

Miss Trixie - would you please please please write it up and check this out?

We'd love to have as many recipes as you can commit to paper from your brain.

584 Rancher  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:29:51am

re: #567 realwest

This has been the wettest summer in NM I can remember and I'm pushing 50. People from Texas and Arizona tell me the same thing about their states.

585 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:30:21am

re: #582 Miss Trixie
Hey there {Miss Trixie} *smoooches* back to you with interest (lol!) I'm doing ok today, thank you kindly and hope you and Lil Miss are both doing well as well!

586 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:26am

re: #576 loflyer

Arrr, mates good morning! missed the debate last night, is anyone on the thread with government legal experiance? I wish to address my elected official's (my employers) off the clock at a public meeting and try to beat some sense into their heads (mentally, not physically!) I am scheduling a meeting with the county attornies next week to determine my legal options. I will not speak to them (my bosses) if they can fire me whilst off the clock....

If you're in Missouri, make sure every single thing you utter about BHO is 100 per cent true or you'll get arrested on charges of criminal libel/defamation.

St. Louis and Missouri Democrat sheriffs and top prosecutors are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign. This is so one sided I can't even begin to describe how wrong this agenda is.

It's one thing if they want to keep the campaign fair for both sides, but they clearly only want to enforce the issue for the Obama Camp.

KMOV has a video report on the Obama "Truth Squads".

St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce and St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch are threatening to bring libel charges against those who speak out falsely against Barack Obama.

KMOV aired a story last night, that stated that St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, both Obama supporters, are threatening to bring criminal libel charges against anyone who levels what turns out to be false criticisms of their chosen candidate for President.

Hat-tip: Sharmuta.

587 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:28am

re: #576 loflyer

The answer is likely officially one thing and unofficially another thing.

Can't you find a sockpuppet to speak for you?

Better yet, find a way to charge them as a consultant for what you want to beat into them for free.

588 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:37am

re: #584 Rancher
Huh, I'd heard that about Texas, but not about NM or AZ!
Personally I blame Al Gore stupid Global Warming (oh, sorry, it's now "climate change"). No real reason to do that, but I just can't stand Al Gore!
Other than so much rain out there, how are you doing today?

589 Rancher  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:20am
Penny Pritzker, Trustee whose family the Medical School at Chicago is named for, is Obama's Finance chair and hosted the party for Ahmedinejihad at the NY Grand Hyatt.

Good God.

590 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:44am

{reine} It's really good too - check with CtP when you see him next - after all it IS his recipe.

I'm a former Chef and I've loads of recipes floating around me brain. Why not email me (nic's blue) and I'll see if I can dig out something delish and simple for your book. Or extravagant and complex ... whatever you need. :D

Hopefully it will go to my home email but if it goes to my work, expect a repy later in the week. Is there a deadline BTW?

591 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:34:24am

re: #586 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy! Hope you're doing well today!
And thanks for giving Sharmuta that hat-tip; it's nice to see SOMEONE around here is still giving out hat tips!

592 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:34:58am

re: #569 lifeofthemind

My 2¢ worth. McCain did well but did not put Obama away. O got a couple of sound bites the media can use for him and M did not nail him on Rezco, Raines and Acorn. The first two questions gave him an opening on how Obama, Pelosi, and Reid were trying to Xmas tree the bailout to protect corrupt friends and the Republicans wouldn't buy it. McCain passed the opportunity by.

As has been pointed out repeatedly on the earlier threads, the decision not to tie the albatross around the Democrats neck is tactical, because the rescue deal hasn't been finalized yet. Time for that when the deal is done.

593 Rancher  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:38:19am

re: #586 MandyManners

They can try, I think there is something in the Bill of Rights that covers this.

594 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:28am

re: #564 galloping granny

[no scholarly activity by 0bama during his job as lecturer]

That alone is pretty dumbfounding.

As much so as being editor of Harvard Law Review and not publishing a signed article during his tenure.

595 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:36am

re: #592 Dar ul Harb
Good morning Dar! Yeah, I forgot about that point being made out here last night and it's a very good point, worth repeating.
Oh and btw, I musta been dozing cause Mom started coughing and since she wasn't eating or drinking anything I naturally inquired as to why and she said "When Senator McCain talked about his bracelet it was clearly from the heart; Obama actually had to look at the bracelet to remember the name of the guy who gave it to him"! Mom is really sharp - I hadn't noticed that, just felt Obama was being juvenile for playing "I got one too"!

596 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:33am

re: #590 Miss Trixie

check your mail when you get a chance.
THANKS>

597 Rancher  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:47am

re: #588 realwest

Typed up four paragraphs of complaints but deleted them. I'm fine, how are you?

598 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:41:32am

re: #580 realwest
Good Morning Real & all. This is my 1st look at LGF after the debate.
I wanted McCain to tee one up & hit it out. He didn't, but he didn't hurt himself either.
I did want him to look at Obama & take it to him. It did seem like McCain holds him in contempt by not looking at him. I get that.
When They got to the mortgage crisis I thought McCain should have tossed in Tony Rezko.
Obama looked haughty & shallow. He kept trying to control the flow attempting to direct the moderator. He looked foolish.

599 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:35am

#572 Reine

I agree. I don't think the debates mean anything. Not between McCain and Obama. It's just "preaching to the choir." (Meaning, exhorting the already converted. LOL)

Except the Palin v. Biden debate. That's going to matter. Because more people will watch or hear it, and a lot of people still want to know whether Biden is more than just a pretty face.

Ah-HAH!

I was kidding, to see if you were paying attention. To see if Palin is more than just a pretty face. :-)

But then, I don't think people will vote based on VP. The vote is going to be between McCain and Obama. And God help up, I think Obama could win --- there's a deep and wide lot of STUPID out there!

Signing off now. Y'all have fun. :-)

600 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:05am

re: #580 realwest

Morning rw, a small correction so you don't mispeak and give ammo to the enemy. Obama chairs the European Affairs sub-committee. When McCain pointed out that he has held zero meetings during his chairmanship Obama replied that anything to do with Nato, important stuff, was handled by a Committee of the Whole (the Senate Foreign Relations Committee). It was a silly answer in that McCain could have nailed him on a range of important issues dealing with Europe that Obama could have been holding hearings on.

601 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:14am

I watched it (haven't watched anything on TV yet this cycle, except the R convention for Gov. Palin's speech), then I came here and it was thread 4 already and a ways into it. I thought THANOS had a really good take on it.
One thing that stood out to me also stood out to Thanos:

At a couple of points you could see Barack put up his hands like he wanted to call a time out when McCain was using Barack’s own statements to illustrate his points. Yes, america gets it that you said that Barack, and then you changed your stance after a lot of coaching. It was crystal clear in the debate.

After participating in debate beginning in the 7th grade, there were things that stood out to me that might not stand out to the average viewer:

McCain, that I could see, took no notes. I thought I saw Obama writing something at least twice. That to me says: McCain is on top of this game - Obama - not so much.

Facial expressions - just like in playing poker, you can tell a lot from the expression on it. Obama seemed frustrated like a little kid at being called on his crap - Especially when McCain called him on his Kissinger lies.

That last was the only time I saw McCain out and out call him. I think McCain's troops have coached him on showing some restraint - and it shows. He seemed almost straining to keep himself under control.

I give the edge to McCain - there's four more to go.

602 revparadigm[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:21am
603 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:43am

re: #597 Rancher
Four pages of complaints?! Whoa, y'all ought to hold on to em - save them somehow for when ya really want to let it all out, you know?!
In any event I'm doing ok this morning but I will say that more than 24 hours of hard, steady straight up and down rain makes it awfully hard to wake up!

604 elevenbravo1969  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:46:56am

I can't believe the donks are trying to shoehorn ACORN into the bailout/rescue situation.

I do believe the 'community' would be a lot better off if groups like ACORN were organizing painting/fix-up/trash pick-up/graffitti removal parties in an effort to get the 'community' off its dead ass and improve itself rather than trying to get public and private money to establish the dictatorship of the proletariat.

605 loflyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:06am

re: #587 itellu3times

The answer is likely officially one thing and unofficially another thing.

Can't you find a sockpuppet to speak for you?

Better yet, find a way to charge them as a consultant for what you want to beat into them for free.

Yaaar, Nope, the county has gone to hell, We had the equivilant of California (Dunwoody) succede two months ago. Our commissioners and CEO are driving the county to disfunction on the model of Atlanta city government. I can no longer stand for it. So be it....Arrrrr!

606 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:11am

re: #591 realwest

Good morning Mandy! Hope you're doing well today!
And thanks for giving Sharmuta that hat-tip; it's nice to see SOMEONE around here is still giving out hat tips!

In the past I'd note that it was a hat-tip from a Lizard but, I figured out to put the name in the My Favorite's title line.

607 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:31am

re: #601 Cap'n DOC

Facial expressions - just like in playing poker, you can tell a lot from the expression on it. Obama seemed frustrated like a little kid at being called on his crap - Especially when McCain called him on his Kissinger lies.

I had to work (Saturday morning here, when the debates were on) but my 13-year-old son watched the last hour on the internet, and reported to me thusly: "Dad, I didn't understand a lot of the big words, but when McCain spoke, Obama looked AFRAID. And Obama tried to interrupt a lot!"

/pretty sharp observations, Cap'n...

608 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:17am

re: #598 opnion
Good morning my friend - y'all ought to take a quick spin through the last debate thread and the thread following it to see what other LGFer's thought. I can't multi-task well enough to watch the debate and type comments on it, so I was off LGF during the debate and the immediate round up of "analysts" afterwards, and I took a quick spin through those comments and was, as usual, impressed with the intelligence and analytic abilities of many lizards out here.

609 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:18am

re: #592 Dar ul Harb

As has been pointed out repeatedly on the earlier threads, the decision not to tie the albatross around the Democrats neck is tactical, because the rescue deal hasn't been finalized yet. Time for that when the deal is done.

I think McCain passed the riight moment to say that the draft bill had a $100,000,000 payoff inserted in it for the Acorn slush fund and then M should have pointed at O and said "Acorn helped create the sub-prime disaster by sueing to force banks to give loans to unqualified borrowers. We are all facing an economic meltdown because of it and you Senator Obama were paid by Acorn to be one of their lawyers on that lawsuit."

610 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:00am

re: #579 galloping granny

I put all my recipes on excel in a format that will print out a shopping list for all the ingredients of the dishes I want to make that week. It groups "like" ingredients together and makes shopping easy.

611 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:52am

re: #594 Dar ul Harb

[no scholarly activity by 0bama during his job as lecturer]

As much so as being editor of Harvard Law Review and not publishing a signed article during his tenure.

As best I can find he has never published a legal or scholarly article anytime, anywhere, about anything. Not even attached to some legal case as one of the attorneys involved.

612 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:13am

re: #606 MandyManners
Smart move by you - still and all, that you gave a hat tip is still very good of you - and right to do, too!

613 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:15am
614 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:02am

re: #604 elevenbravo1969

I can't believe the donks are trying to shoehorn ACORN into the bailout/rescue situation.

I do believe the 'community' would be a lot better off if groups like ACORN were organizing painting/fix-up/trash pick-up/graffitti removal parties in an effort to get the 'community' off its dead ass and improve itself rather than trying to get public and private money to establish the dictatorship of the proletariat.

I can't believe that ACORN is still viewed as "legitimate" given the number of cases of voter fraud they are involved in all across the nation.

615 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:08am

re: #609 lifeofthemind

Even GREAT fighter-pilots miss a sitting duck, once in a while...

Dang! That is one power-packed paragraph of two sentences, Life!

616 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:15am

re: #607 Karridine

Your 13YO watched? OUTSTANDING! Kids see the darnedest things. I'd have watched on the web as well, but I've got DSL and never upgraded from basic.

617 loflyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:27am

Haaaar! BBL mates, errands and dawgs to walk.

618 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:49am

reine - got your email, thanks. I'd better get cracking.

I'm out for a while folks, gots tings to do.

Have a great day.

619 akak  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:53am

re: #586 MandyManners

Hat-tip: Sharmuta.

Stop the smears started in Kenya 6-10 months ago, to stop smears against him in the whole of Africa.

620 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:50am

re: #593 Rancher

They can try, I think there is something in the Bill of Rights that covers this.

The mere fact that they are trying to do it is extremely disturbing. These idiots are paid by tax money!

Remember when BHO tried to go after Stanley Kurtz on WGN-AM?

Howard Simmons?

The strange arrest of Asa Elocker (ABC) during the convention in Denver?

621 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:06am

re: #610 yah

I put all my recipes on excel in a format that will print out a shopping list for all the ingredients of the dishes I want to make that week. It groups "like" ingredients together and makes shopping easy.

I've used Now You're Cooking for years, which does essentially the same thing. You can even put in price lists from your favorite grocery stores and NYC will print out the grocery list by store.

The neat thing about the MAC program I was referring to is that it is specifically for turning a recipe collection into a cookbook in publication-ready format.

622 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:41am

re: #586 MandyManners

Psycho Dems can't survive without trying to silence their opponents. Shows their main problem: trying to turn us into a totalitarian state. If those who lied about Sarah Palin were jailed that would take out half of the Dems.

623 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:51am

The Obama cyber team is out in force this morn, I'm even getting comments over at my backwaters of the internet blog from lefties.

624 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:59am

re: #607 Karridine

I had to work (Saturday morning here, when the debates were on) but my 13-year-old son watched the last hour on the internet, and reported to me thusly: "Dad, I didn't understand a lot of the big words, but when McCain spoke, Obama looked AFRAID. And Obama tried to interrupt a lot!"

/pretty sharp observations, Cap'n...

Kids don't miss much, do they?

625 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:54:40am

re: #616 Cap'n DOC

Thank you, Cap'n... I'll tell him.

He and his 15-year-old brother together watched 2 hours of it, and they get their observing/linguistic skills in part from their learning experience as fluent English-Thai speakers in a Thai social matrix...

Hafta be keen on the words and meaning and nuances when you're learning English in a non-English-speaking social context...

626 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:54:55am

good morning Lizards!
how is everyone doing today?

627 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:15am

I suppose the way to look at the debate is to see what you'd think of these guys if you'd never heard anything else about them.

Obama was by turns rude, condescending and arrogant. "John" vs. "Senator Obama." Interrupting.

McCain seemed tired, but still in command of the material, especially on foreign policy.

Obama's responses were often "me too" (much to his disfavor on the memorial bracelet exchange). When they weren't, such as on the Russian invasion of Georgia, Obama was unfocused and seemed to fall apart.

McCain had some good tag lines, badly delivered. Humor largely fell flat.

McCain made good reference to his military experience, and sympathy for troops and veterans.

Obama's answers on foreign policy lacked depth, and mostly tried to link McCain to Bush. McCain at least mentioned some issues on which he differed with the Administration.

628 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:47am

re: #608 realwest

Good morning my friend - y'all ought to take a quick spin through the last debate thread and the thread following it to see what other LGFer's thought. I can't multi-task well enough to watch the debate and type comments on it, so I was off LGF during the debate and the immediate round up of "analysts" afterwards, and I took a quick spin through those comments and was, as usual, impressed with the intelligence and analytic abilities of many lizards out here.

Ac

Actually , I did a quick perusal . I will go back & read some more.
I thought thet the most remarkable thing was Obama expecting help from the moderator when McCain roughed him up. He smirked at kept pointing at the moderator, as if to say 'Stop him".
The arrogance driped out of the TV.

629 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:56:22am

re: #557 livefreeor die

Here's a follow-up question- had anyone ever seen Barry wearing the bracelet before? Or was it that someone on his staff noticed McCain had one and thought it would look good to have one too.

Here's a news story about the bracelet from February of this year. It was given to him by a woman in Wisconsin when he was campaigning for that primary.

630 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:57:19am

re: #621 galloping granny


I've used Now You're Cooking for years, which does essentially the same thing. You can even put in price lists from your favorite grocery stores and NYC will print out the grocery list by store.

And I was so proud of myself. I thought I had invented something.

631 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:57:41am

re: #615 Karridine

Even GREAT fighter-pilots miss a sitting duck, once in a while...

Dang! That is one power-packed paragraph of two sentences, Life!

Thank you, your lips to Gods ears, some people get paid to do that.

632 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:58:35am

re: #611 galloping granny

There was one comment that was unsigned, but is attributed to him. That's not a whole lot to show for being the editor of Harvard Law Review.

You'd think someone getting to that position would want to see their work published.

Heck, I went to law school, didn't make law review or journal (both generally require a writing competition and/or grade requirements depending on the law school and publication), but still managed to get two comments published. It's all so curious..

633 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:58:52am

re: #609 lifeofthemind
and
re: #615 Karridine

With respect to each of you, last night was not the time nor the place to do that. We need to get the bailout bill passed, then, when the debate topic is supposed to be Economics, McCain can smack Obama about the head about that - but he really should be accurate and talk about Carter and Clinton's actions as Presidents with respect to the Community Reinvestment Act which more or less forced lenders to make those subprime mortgages.
A lot of our economic problems flowed directly from that law, as it was "refurbished" by Clinton and many more came from the likes of Lehman, Goldman Sachs et. al. trying to make some bucks off of those sub-prime mortgages. And as a "community orgainizer" Obama sure as helped spread those sub-prime mortgages out in Chicago; that would be a perfect time to just mention ACORN; if McCain tries to explain all the ties and tangled webs between Rezko, Obama, ACORN and Ayers, he's gonna put people to sleep.

634 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:06am

re: #615 Karridine

Even GREAT fighter-pilots miss a sitting duck, once in a while...

And anyway, McCain was a ground attack pilot. He's just going to go around again and re-acquire the target once the weather clears.

635 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:28am

re: #630 yah

And I was so proud of myself. I thought I had invented something.

I was impressed. It shows you are very organized without having to buy a way to be organized.

636 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:44am

re: #628 opnion

"Hey! That question wasn't a soft lob! I mean, Hey! Aren't you going to-

HEY! McCain's making me look stupid! Aren't you going to stop-

HEY! Make McCain STOP ANSWERING SO WELL! Its not fair..."

/I get it... :D

637 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:00:19am

re: #630 yah

And I was so proud of myself. I thought I had invented something.

You did - and saved yourself a little money. If you ever want a dedicated program though, Now You're Cooking is the best around for PC.

638 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:00:45am

Just heard on Fox news - Paul Newman died yesterday, age 83.

He'd been sick for awhile, I think.

Great actor.

639 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:01:05am

Just announced, Paul Newman is dead.
Great actor & a good guy.

640 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:01:23am

Just heard on FNC that Paul Newman died.

641 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:04am

I just watched the story on KMOV again, and it is astounding. Prosecutors and sheriffs are working on the tax dollar to point out that BHO is a Christian and that he will cut taxes for everyone making less than $250,000.00 a year, and they'll do so under the guise of a Truth Squad!

The BHO camp is behind this. The camp says they have sheriffs across Missouri who will be looking for lies.

642 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:10am

Excellent post by Dr Sanity on left wing paranoia and Naomi Wolfe.

643 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:38am

re: #638 reine.de.tout

Just heard on Fox news - Paul Newman died yesterday, age 83.

He'd been sick for awhile, I think.

Great actor.


Oh no that is terrible..I loved Paul as a great actor and his fantastic charity work..sad day

644 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:03:19am

re: #604 elevenbravo1969

I just noticed your nic. Same MOS 1970. Airborne.

645 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:03:31am

re: #607 Karridine

Facial expressions - just like in playing poker, you can tell a lot from the expression on it. Obama seemed frustrated like a little kid at being called on his crap - Especially when McCain called him on his Kissinger lies.

I had to work (Saturday morning here, when the debates were on) but my 13-year-old son watched the last hour on the internet, and reported to me thusly: "Dad, I didn't understand a lot of the big words, but when McCain spoke, Obama looked AFRAID. And Obama tried to interrupt a lot!"

/pretty sharp observations, Cap'n...

I only watched snippets, and frankly both participants irked me, and McCain did seem to go into filibuster mode several times. Obama tried to interrupt - and failed. The failure is the failure, if you know what I mean. But Obama seems to have no leadership mode. He lectures, and hectors, and speechifies, and preaches, he says "I will", he almost never says "we will" or "for you", he never says he will serve, only rule, ... his head is tilted, his speech over-inflected and with the short tones of doubt or argument, never certainty. And it seems to be getting worse as time goes by.

McCain doesn't have the tone or body language of a commander, either. Even at the age of 72 and after all he has been through, I think he has more the body language of the commander's son. Well, perhaps that's the ticket for this year.

646 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:03:47am

Fred Thompson talking about Newman - they were pals.
"Cool Hand Luke", "The Sting" - 2 of my all time favorite flicks. RIP Paul.

647 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:03am

re: #632 lawhawk

There was one comment that was unsigned, but is attributed to him. That's not a whole lot to show for being the editor of Harvard Law Review.

You'd think someone getting to that position would want to see their work published.

Heck, I went to law school, didn't make law review or journal (both generally require a writing competition and/or grade requirements depending on the law school and publication), but still managed to get two comments published. It's all so curious..

When I go down the list of votes that Barry won't cast, things he won't reveal, parts of his life he either won't discuss or actively tries to hide and opinions that he goes to great lengths to conceal, it really strikes me that he has spent his entire life since he was a teenager actively hiding who is is and what he thinks. If I had to choose just one thing about him that sets off all of my warning bells, it would be this.

648 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:31am
649 nonic  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:46am

#586 Mandy

St. Louis and Missouri Democrat sheriffs and top prosecutors are planning to go after anyone who makes false statements against Obama during his campaign

They're calling it Obama's "Truth Squad."

The Islamists call their exact same program "CAIR."

You think it's just a coincidence that the Islamists and Obama are hip deep in the very same suppression of free speech tactics?

650 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:53am

re: #622 legalpad

Psycho Dems can't survive without trying to silence their opponents. Shows their main problem: trying to turn us into a totalitarian state. If those who lied about Sarah Palin were jailed that would take out half of the Dems.

The whole thing is Orewellian. This needs to go VIRAL.

Gateway Pundit.

KMOV video.

651 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:56am

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Oh no that is terrible..I loved Paul as a great actor and his fantastic charity work..sad day

There is a whole generation of gentlemanly actors who are now dying off, it seems.

I was not in agreement with Newman's political beliefs - but he comported himself well.

652 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:05:19am

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Oh no that is terrible..I loved Paul as a great actor and his fantastic charity work..sad day

THe last movie that I saw Paul Newman in was 'The Road to Perdition"
He played an Irish mobster kingpin & as usual nailed it.

653 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:05:26am

re: #641 MandyManners

I just watched the story on KMOV again, and it is astounding. Prosecutors and sheriffs are working on the tax dollar to point out that BHO is a Christian and that he will cut taxes for everyone making less than $250,000.00 a year, and they'll do so under the guise of a Truth Squad!

The BHO camp is behind this. The camp says they have sheriffs across Missouri who will be looking for lies.

I am dumbfounded that no one has pitched a bloody fit over this. The sheriffs and states attorneys have no place at all in determining what is or is not acceptable speech. That is unconstitutional. And way above their paygrade.

654 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:05:59am

re: #633 realwest

McCain is not going to pin the mess on Clinton and even offered Clinton's HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo a job. Remember his praise of Hillary on Global Warming, that got under Obama's skin? This is deliberate.

655 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:06:20am

re: #638 reine.de.tout
Aw damn, reine I'm really sorry to hear that - I think Paul Newman was one of the finest actors American has ever had the pleasure - indeed privilge - to watch.
Never mind his politics, one way or the other, he was one of the top 5 American actors of all time; sympathy and condolences to his widow and family.

656 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:06:29am

re: #645 itellu3times

I only watched snippets, and frankly both participants irked me, and McCain did seem to go into filibuster mode several times. Obama tried to interrupt - and failed. The failure is the failure, if you know what I mean. But Obama seems to have no leadership mode. He lectures, and hectors, and speechifies, and preaches, he says "I will", he almost never says "we will" or "for you", he never says he will serve, only rule, ... his head is tilted, his speech over-inflected and with the short tones of doubt or argument, never certainty. And it seems to be getting worse as time goes by.

McCain doesn't have the tone or body language of a commander, either. Even at the age of 72 and after all he has been through, I think he has more the body language of the commander's son. Well, perhaps that's the ticket for this year.

Astute observations, 3times...

And well summarized. I've only heard some of these before, only all together here, just now! Thanks

657 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:06:31am

re: #646 leftover54

Fred Thompson talking about Newman - they were pals.
"Cool Hand Luke", "The Sting" - 2 of my all time favorite flicks. RIP Paul.

"What we have here Luke, is a failure of communication"

658 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:06:41am

re: #645 itellu3times

. . .But Obama seems to have no leadership mode. He lectures, and hectors, and speechifies, and preaches, he says "I will", he almost never says "we will" or "for you", he never says he will serve, only rule, ... his head is tilted, his speech over-inflected and with the short tones of doubt or argument, never certainty. And it seems to be getting worse as time goes by.. . .

bingo.

659 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:06:47am

re: #589 Rancher

Penny Pritzker, Trustee whose family the Medical School at Chicago is named for, is Obama's Finance chair and hosted the party for Ahmedinejihad at the NY Grand Hyatt.

Good God.

Pritzker's family owns the hotel. She did not host the dinner. The dinner was hosted by a collection of American religious groups.

660 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:07:17am

re: #641 MandyManners

The BHO camp is behind this. The camp says they have sheriffs across Missouri who will be looking for lies.

Do you think they will find any of BHO lies? Be pretty funny if they did.

661 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:07:41am

re: #657 opnion

"What we have here Luke, is a failure of communication"

failure to communicate .. .
One of the best lines ever in a movie, imo.

662 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:07:53am
663 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:08:07am

re: #646 leftover54

Fred Thompson talking about Newman - they were pals.
"Cool Hand Luke", "The Sting" - 2 of my all time favorite flicks. RIP Paul.

"Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"

Even his last voice role in "Cars".

664 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:09:20am

re: #662 ploome hineni

here is a 'gentlemanly actor' of this generation

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yes, indeed!

665 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:09:27am

re: #663 Dar ul Harb

LOVED Paul in "Cars!"

Excellent, mature part that proved perfect counterpoint catalyst to the youthful lead-role's growth

666 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:11:01am

re: #642 lifeofthemind

Excellent post by Dr Sanity on left wing paranoia and Naomi Wolfe.

Who is the comedian who called for the rape of Sarah Palin?
I am out of the loop.

667 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:11:24am

re: #666 Carolyn

Who is the comedian who called for the rape of Sarah Palin?
I am out of the loop.

Sandra Bernhard

668 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:11:32am

This may be a small thing, but I really good annoyed last night when Obama used Arabic pronunciations.
Pakistan (Phakeestan), Taliban (Tahleeban), Afghanistan (Afhaneestan).
What's up with that?

669 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:12:31am

re: #668 opnion

This may be a small thing, but I really good annoyed last night when Obama used Arabic pronunciations.
Pakistan (Phakeestan), Taliban (Tahleeban), Afghanistan (Afhaneestan).
What's up with that?

Learned it at the multiculti madrassa, most likely.

670 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:09am

re: #661 reine.de.tout
"Who are those guys?!" is another one and from my personal favorite movie of all time, Butch Cassiday and The Sundance Kid.
When someone publishes Newman's filmogrpahy, we'll all be remembered of all of the great movies he's made: the Hustler, Cool Hand Luke, Hud, and, well it's a long, long list.

671 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:34am

re: #667 reine.de.tout

Thanks, I saw part of her rant but missed that gem.
What a bitch.
Just being in a different political party, you should be ravaged?
Ah, the tolerant left.

672 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:43am

re: #661 reine.de.tout

failure to communicate .. .
One of the best lines ever in a movie, imo.

You sure? I alwys thought "Failure to communicate", But I heard the clip about a mont ago & could swear it is "a failure of communiction"
Either way, great line

673 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:50am

re: #659 JustMyView

Penny Pritzker, Trustee whose family the Medical School at Chicago is named for, is Obama's Finance chair and hosted the party for Ahmedinejihad at the NY Grand Hyatt.

Pritzker's family owns the hotel. She did not host the dinner. The dinner was hosted by a collection of American religious groups.

You'd best go read more news. That dinner is also reported as "hosted by Penny Pritzker."

674 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:52am

re: #648 ploome hineni

Paul Newman Died

Awwwwwwww. I always liked the man. His vinaigrette is fantastic!

675 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:58am

re: #668 opnion

This may be a small thing, but I really good annoyed last night when Obama used Arabic pronunciations.
Pakistan (Phakeestan), Taliban (Tahleeban), Afghanistan (Afhaneestan).
What's up with that?

It may be a small thing, but I was good and annoyed last night every time Obama opened his mouth.

There is absolutely nothing there - no thoughtfulness, no depth of thought - nothing but posturing and condescension toward McCain.

And those who support him (JMV) will see that as a "victory" - they aren't looking for depth or experience -

676 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:07am

re: #658 reine.de.tout

bingo.

I totally agree with your bingo. That was a good bingo.

*****
Good morning lizards!

677 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:45am

re: #651 reine.de.tout

re: #652 opnion

I never paid any attention to paul's or any actor's political leanings..
He was a great actor and the charity work he does is inspiring and so far reaching....I am bummed..
Full disclosure: I can't stand Sean Penn's politics but the role he played in 'I am Sam' is one of the best acting roles i've ever seen..Hell, the big old hoopster cried during that movie..It touched me so deeply that Sean Penn will always be a favorite no matter who that wackboy votes for.
I try to shield myself from actors politics..that way i can love them for thier roles without wanting to strangle them..It hashes on my world...
{reine}

678 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:58am

re: #671 Carolyn

Thanks, I saw part of her rant but missed that gem.
What a bitch.
Just being in a different political party, you should be ravaged?
Ah, the tolerant left.

Well, Bernhard's a lesbian, as I recall.
Probably her sick fantasy.

679 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:15am

re: #672 opnion
It was "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

680 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:27am

re: #649 nonic

#586 Mandy


They're calling it Obama's "Truth Squad."

The Islamists call their exact same program "CAIR."

You think it's just a coincidence that the Islamists and Obama are hip deep in the very same suppression of free speech tactics?

At least CAIR doesn't have prosecutors and sheriffs at their beck and call as does BHO's effort in Missouri.

681 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:29am

re: #672 opnion

You sure? I alwys thought "Failure to communicate", But I heard the clip about a mont ago & could swear it is "a failure of communiction"
Either way, great line

Well, for one of the best lines in moviedom, it's strange we can't recall exactly what it is, isn't it?

I always thought it was:
What we have heah, Luke, is failyuh t'communicate"
I could be completely wrong.

682 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:54am
683 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:58am

re: #668 opnion

This may be a small thing, but I really good annoyed last night when Obama used Arabic pronunciations.
Pakistan (Phakeestan), Taliban (Tahleeban), Afghanistan (Afhaneestan).
What's up with that?

A reflection of his heritage. Nowhere near as annoying as when he does the oh-so-fake Mississippi accent - or the "Don't make me come up there and kick your ass" ghetto version.

But yes, you would think that the same handlers who have taught him to fake an accent according to audience would have pointed out that in America Pakistan is rhymes with AHK and little i, not EEE.

684 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:16:39am

re: #677 HoosierHoops

I agree, Sean Penn is an extremely talented actor.
Such a shame so many of these folks are so stupid in other areas of their lives. . .

685 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:17:09am

re: #675 reine.de.tout

It may be a small thing, but I was good and annoyed last night every time Obama opened his mouth.

There is absolutely nothing there - no thoughtfulness, no depth of thought - nothing but posturing and condescension toward McCain.

And those who support him (JMV) will see that as a "victory" - they aren't looking for depth or experience -

Obama cme across as an insipid, narcassist. McCain won the night, but I do believe that he can & will cream BHO.

686 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:17:54am

re: #653 galloping granny

I am dumbfounded that no one has pitched a bloody fit over this. The sheriffs and states attorneys have no place at all in determining what is or is not acceptable speech. That is unconstitutional. And way above their paygrade.

The KMOV story is four days old. I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up everywhere. I've sent Charles the links to it and Gateway Pundit, as well as to the previous attempts to squash speech. I hope he runs with it.

One thing cracks me up. The prosecutors claim that BHO is not gonna' raise taxes on people making less than $250,000.00/yr. but, that's not the truth!

687 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:25am

re: #673 galloping granny

You'd best go read more news. That dinner is also reported as "hosted by Penny Pritzker."

If you can point to anything other than a right-wing blog where that is reported, I'd be genuinely interested to see it. Because the real hosts have been reported repeatedly.

688 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:53am

re: #668 opnion

This may be a small thing, but I really good annoyed last night when Obama used Arabic pronunciations.
Pakistan (Phakeestan), Taliban (Tahleeban), Afghanistan (Afhaneestan).
What's up with that?

He is so worldly isn't he?
/Not...I'll put my passport against his anyday of the week..
hey wait a second! I could be the POTUS!
Hoopster looks to the sky.."I could have been somebody..I could have been a contender!"

689 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:56am

re: #660 yah

Do you think they will find any of BHO lies? Be pretty funny if they did.

The prosecutors have lied already about BHO's tax cuts!

690 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:16am

re: #653 galloping granny

I am dumbfounded that no one has pitched a bloody fit over this. The sheriffs and states attorneys have no place at all in determining what is or is not acceptable speech. That is unconstitutional. And way above their paygrade.

Having carried a weapon I am frightened to think that there are members of the law enforcement community in this country who would abuse the power and respect of that privilege to engage in partisan politics while on duty. This is one of the most serious abuses I have heard of in my lifetime. The US Attorney should get the FBI in there and tell these clowns that any hint of intimmidation will get them handcuffed.

691 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:28am

re: #657 opnion

"What we got here, is failure to communicate! Some men you just can't reach. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it! And I don't like it any more than you men."

692 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:20:11am

re: #681 reine.de.tout

Well, for one of the best lines in moviedom, it's strange we can't recall exactly what it is, isn't it?

I always thought it was:
What we have heah, Luke, is failyuh t'communicate"
I could be completely wrong.


Ya know now that you say it just that way, I think that you got it. It sounds right.

693 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:20:24am

re: #677 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! I hope you're well today.
And I agree with you: if I only watched movies with actors who share the same political beliefs or listened to musicians who share the same political beliefs as I do, I'd hardly ever watch a film or listen to music.

And you're right about Newman's Charitable work - he and Redford started the Hole-in-the-Wall camp for kids dying of various illnesses and he turned ALL of the profits from his Newman's Own Salad dressings over to charity.
And, as I said, IMHO, Paul Newman was one of the greatest American actors ever.

694 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:08am

re: #690 lifeofthemind

Having carried a weapon I am frightened to think that there are members of the law enforcement community in this country who would abuse the power and respect of that privilege to engage in partisan politics while on duty. This is one of the most serious abuses I have heard of in my lifetime. The US Attorney should get the FBI in there and tell these clowns that any hint of intimmidation will get them handcuffed.

Just the name of the thing - Truth Squad - smacks so much of outright communist revolution that it is downright frightening that such a thing can go unremarked in the United States of America.

695 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:22:07am

Okay, must accomplish something today, I suppose, so time to check out for awhile.

I hope everyone has a great day!

696 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:22:28am

re: #668 opnion

This may be a small thing, but I really good annoyed last night when Obama used Arabic pronunciations.
Pakistan (Phakeestan), Taliban (Tahleeban), Afghanistan (Afhaneestan).
What's up with that?

He spent some time in Karachi as a kid, those are the Sindh/Punjab pronouciations.

697 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:22:34am
698 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:02am

re: #688 HoosierHoops

He is so worldly isn't he?
/Not...I'll put my passport against his anyday of the week..
hey wait a second! I could be the POTUS!
Hoopster looks to the sky.."I could have been somebody..I could have been a contender!"

My man , ya got my vote. Just make me ambassadoe to Hawaii.
Damn, (slaps forehead), they are a state!
Ok, Special Envoy, yeah, thats the ticket.

699 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:10am

re: #683 galloping granny

That which we see of the Golden Child is entirely synthetic. As if it came out of the wet end of a refinery. The genuine, crude, out-of-the ground 0bama is a basic and dangerous commodity indeed.

700 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:26am

re: #696 Thanos

He spent some time in Karachi as a kid, those are the Sindh/Punjab pronouciations.

He was not a kid when he visited karachi - he was about 20 and an adult.

701 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:29am

re: #650 MandyManners

The whole thing is Orewellian. This needs to go VIRAL.

Gateway Pundit.

KMOV video.

Goon squads. If Barack gets in- we can look forward to more of this. Chi-com style oppression with people getting harassed, prosecuted, and jailed for criticizing Obama. and of course only king Obama knows the truth.

702 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:30am

good morning folks,
anybody else wake up w/ a headache today?

703 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:33am

re: #695 reine.de.tout
See ya reine! Have a great one!

704 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:53am

re: #690 lifeofthemind

Having carried a weapon I am frightened to think that there are members of the law enforcement community in this country who would abuse the power and respect of that privilege to engage in partisan politics while on duty. This is one of the most serious abuses I have heard of in my lifetime. The US Attorney should get the FBI in there and tell these clowns that any hint of intimmidation will get them handcuffed.

These and their cohorts across the nation will be the ones who come after your guns.

705 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:25:32am

re: #700 galloping granny

He was not a kid when he visited karachi - he was about 20 and an adult.

Being elderly, I consider anyone under 25 as a kid, and in modern parlance it's more true than ever since many aren't leaveing their parents houses until around that age. I was out of my parents house on my own at age 17.

706 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:25:44am

re: #696 Thanos

He spent some time in Karachi as a kid, those are the Sindh/Punjab pronouciations.

Right, & the mope can recite the Muslim call to prayer in perfect accented Arabic, as he did for thr NY Times. I do not want my President doing that, no how, no way, Nobama.

708 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:25:54am

re: #702 nyc redneck
Hey nyc redneck - who says all of us are awake in the first place?! LOL!
No, but my sinuses aren't happy about all the rain we've been having and my joints and some bones are none too thrilled either - what cause your headache - watching the debates or drinking or both?!?

709 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:26:40am

re: #692 opnion

And who was the character-actor who DELIVERED that line to Newman's Luke?
What was his ACTUAL name?

710 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:26:52am

re: #701 FrogMarch

Goon squads. If Barack gets in- we can look forward to more of this. Chi-com style oppression with people getting harassed, prosecuted, and jailed for criticizing Obama. and of course only king Obama knows the truth.

That is not far fetched. He will control the IRS & FBI, the means of coersion.

711 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:27:20am

re: #693 realwest
Good morning realwest..I am doing great today..life is good..
Please nobody tell me about the politics of tom hanks..It ruins everything! Hahhaaa
You feeling alright today real?

712 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:27:29am
713 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:27:55am

re: #709 Karridine

And who was the character-actor who DELIVERED that line to Newman's Luke?
What was his ACTUAL name?

Ya know, I can picture him , but can't think of his name. Great character actor.

714 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:11am

re: #708 realwest

Hey nyc redneck - who says all of us are awake in the first place?! LOL!
No, but my sinuses aren't happy about all the rain we've been having and my joints and some bones are none too thrilled either - what cause your headache - watching the debates or drinking or both?!?

hey {realwest}
both.
how'd you know?
someone needs to do a little push back on these thugs in st.louis.
stand on a street corner and yell, "he's an unqualified black male" over and over again.

715 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:35am

More on Barry Obama's Goon Squads:

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]


He's using the local news to promote him - all while attempting to silence critics. Liberal fascism is on the rise.

716 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:55am

re: #705 Thanos

Being elderly, I consider anyone under 25 as a kid, and in modern parlance it's more true than ever since many aren't leaveing their parents houses until around that age. I was out of my parents house on my own at age 17.

I'm a little on the elderly side myself. But I came from a generation that left home the day we graduated high school. I happen to believe that one of the very biggest things that is wrong with our society is that we now consider people to be "children" until they are well into their twenties. Something like Steve Doucie screaming on TV a couple of weeks back about colleges allowing his grown son - a junior or a senior in college - to drink. Just when the hell do we expect people to become adults anymore?

For that matter, DO we expect people to become adults at all? Sometimes I think that we don't. If people never become adults then they are more willing to swap the rule or Mommy and Daddy to the rule of the State.

717 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:58am

re: #692 opnion

Your spelling of "failure" is exactly how he said it.
But a totally different movie pops into my head: Exodus. I wonder if the media is going to talk much about that one. Maybe they could send Ahmadinejad a copy.

718 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:29:04am

Later gators. I have to go assault my lawn.

719 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:29:04am

re: #697 ploome hineni

no other Hotel chain would HOST that fucking little hitler wannabe, except for her and her Iranian friend Valerie Jarrett

Pitzger OWNS THAT HOTEL...do not try and tell me, what when, arguably, the most infamous world political figure comes to New York, amid huge demonstrations

that no one discusses the blowback to the hotel and brand, because he was feted at that location

Pritzger was NOT AWARE that Handjob was being feted at her hotel?

I have a bridge to sell her

I didn't say she wasn't aware of it. I said she wasn't involved in hosting the event. Should hotel owners be involved in/responsible for everything that goes on in the buildings they own? Approve every wedding reception? Check on every potentially adulterous affair? Perhaps the owner of the Mayflower Hotel should be prosecuted because Eliot Spitzer met w/ prostitutes there.

720 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:29:13am
721 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:29:18am

re: #657 opnion


"Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand"

722 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:30:33am

re: #701 FrogMarch

Goon squads. If Barack gets in- we can look forward to more of this. Chi-com style oppression with people getting harassed, prosecuted, and jailed for criticizing Obama. and of course only king Obama knows the truth.

This is not a bunch of BHO supporters calling a radio station as they did to WGN-AM. This is the force of law. Right now. Before he's elected!

723 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:30:48am

re: #709 Karridine

And who was the character-actor who DELIVERED that line to Newman's Luke?
What was his ACTUAL name?

Strother Martin

724 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:30:51am

re: #711 HoosierHoops
Well except for my sinuses and various joints and bones (all due to the terrific amount of rain we've had - now going on something like 30 straight hours of heavy - but straight up and down - rain) aching I'm doing ok, thanks!
Glad to hear you're doing so well!

725 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:30:52am

re: #720 ploome hineni

Bingo!

Thanks, Ploomie!

/what a loopy oddball... and he made an honest living out of it! :D

726 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:31:34am

re: #709 Karridine

Strother Martin

727 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:32:13am

re: #698 opnion

My man , ya got my vote. Just make me ambassadoe to Hawaii.
Damn, (slaps forehead), they are a state!
Ok, Special Envoy, yeah, thats the ticket.

Good morning opnion...Sorry..when I'm POTUS you will be the ambassador to France..
/I'm mean aren't I? Just try not to steal the president's wife..could cause a international incident...I'll back you though

728 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:32:27am

re: #715 FrogMarch

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

... more...


Washington, DC – September 26, 2008 – Barack Obama is now using local law enforcement officials to carry out his campaign of legal intimidation by assembling a group of high-ranking Missouri police officials and prosecutors – including St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCullough and City of St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce – to identify and target anyone the campaign determines is producing “misleading” political advertisements.

“This is an outrageous and shocking attempt by the Obama campaign to again employ Stalinist, police state tactics against those who dare to disagree with Barack Obama,” said Ed Martin, American Issues Projects president. “I am frankly stunned to see public officials like McCullough and Joyce abusing their official prosecutorial positions to serve as attack dogs for a national political campaign. I am quite certain Missourians elected these individuals to enforce the laws and arrest criminals, not to throw people in jail for daring to practicing free speech.

"The Obama campaign continues to provide a chilling preview of what would happen to political freedom in an Obama administration.”

This new effort is only the most recent attempt by the Obama campaign to crack down on free speech. Obama’s lawyers twice demanded the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute the American Issues Project, its officers, board of directors, and donors. The campaign also threatened stations running American Issues Project’s ad in an unsuccessful attempt to compel them to pull the spot, and ran its own ad in response.

Notably, this ad failed to dispute a single fact the American Issues Project has put forth.

729 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:32:47am

re: #726 legalpad

Yep.

We got that figgered out, but thanks anyhoo...

And with that, I'll fade into the rainy, inky blackness of 2135 suburban Bangkok...

Stay Rational y'All!

730 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:32:53am
731 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:34:39am
732 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:34:40am

re: #712 ploome hineni
Hi Ya ploome - thanks for that link. Ya know Strother Martin has played so many GREAT supporting roles in his career that it's hard to remember 'em all!

733 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:36:41am

Wow, I just watched the video about BHO's attempts to police free speech.
I guess the lefties think this is just dandy?

734 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:11am

re: #715 FrogMarch

More on Barry Obama's Goon Squads:

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]


He's using the local news to promote him - all while attempting to silence critics. Liberal fascism is on the rise.

The NRO article notes that no threats of arrest have been made but, how would the average citizen respond to a sheriff or prosecutor showing up on her front steps?

It's not the actual arrest of a person that counts here. It is the IMPOSITION OF PRIOR RESTRAINT UNDER INTIMIDATION BY AUTHORITIES THAT IS TERRIFYING.

735 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:46am
736 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:38:06am

re: #648 ploome hineni

Paul Newman Died

Paul Newman was a class act. While I didn't agree with his politics - he was not in any way a typical radical left-winger like most of hollywood. Paul Newman was a compassionate, intelligent man who gave millions to charity.
He was also one of the best looking actors to have ever graced the big screen.

737 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:38:33am

re: #730 ploome hineni
good morning ploome...How are you today?
I think smack downs should count for a few points of cardio exercise..
good job!

738 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:17am

re: #603 realwest

Four pages of complaints?! Whoa, y'all ought to hold on to em - save them somehow for when ya really want to let it all out, you know?!
In any event I'm doing ok this morning but I will say that more than 24 hours of hard, steady straight up and down rain makes it awfully hard to wake up!

Hi rw!
And hi, Lizard Nation!

Sooo - 24+ hours rain makes it difficult to wake up?

Spare a thought for us in Wales, who had 24/7 rain, in August!

But so far, this hs been a most wonderful first week of autumn here: early morning mist, blue skies and sunshine, gentle warmth ... we're all soaking it up, as next month is going to be wet and stormy - again!

Thanks for all the comments about the McCain - B0 debate!
The Beeb had them level pegging - and obviously it was too late for the papers. I'll let you know what they say tomottow ...


(Going back to reading here for a bit!)

739 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:20am

Barack Hussein Obama = the Obamanation

740 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:47am

Tommy Emmanuel on drums. Brilliant!

741 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:52am
742 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:40:04am

re: #736 FrogMarch
Good morning to you! "He was also one of the best looking actors to have ever graced the big screen. NOt arguing about his looks, just that it was his talent that made him such a fine, fine actor.

743 JustMyView  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:40:16am

re: #731 ploome hineni

how much security do you think the Hyatt Hotel needed for that Ahmadinejad visit?

You think the board was not aware that this visit to the hotel was planned?

What I think is that trying to tie this dinner to the Obama campaign is ridiculous. I also think it's entirely legal for such a dinner to be held in an American hotel. Whether it's politically desirable to you or me is an entirely different question.

Lots of unpleasant people representing undemocratic governments visit the United States. Unless we decide to put a stop to that, they have to eat and sleep somewhere.

Again, this dinner was hosted by American citizens acting within their rights. Your beef is with them. Not with the hotel owner.

744 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:40:16am
745 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:19am

re: #738 yma o hyd
Hi and bye! LOL! Hope to see ya later on!

746 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:35am
747 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:53am

BBIAM!

748 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:53am

Ya know Obamanation should get themselves some nifty armbands.
/

749 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:54am

re: #734 MandyManners

The NRO article notes that no threats of arrest have been made but, how would the average citizen respond to a sheriff or prosecutor showing up on her front steps?

It's not the actual arrest of a person that counts here. It is the IMPOSITION OF PRIOR RESTRAINT UNDER INTIMIDATION BY AUTHORITIES THAT IS TERRIFYING.

Self-absorbed self-righteous leftists do not see themselves as thuggish. Barry and his blind faith followers are oblivious to it, blinded by their narcissistic power trip. Free speech be damned.

"The Obama campaign continues to provide a chilling preview of what would happen to political freedom in an Obama administration.”

750 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:42:45am
751 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:44:23am

re: #742 realwest

Good morning to you! "He was also one of the best looking actors to have ever graced the big screen. NOt arguing about his looks, just that it was his talent that made him such a fine, fine actor.

hubba hubba - the man was a fox! IMHO - he was a good enough actor - but he was classically handsome. More importantly Paul seemed to have led his personal life with class - family man, humble... charitable.

752 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:44:57am

re: #734 MandyManners

The NRO article notes that no threats of arrest have been made but, how would the average citizen respond to a sheriff or prosecutor showing up on her front steps?

It's not the actual arrest of a person that counts here. It is the IMPOSITION OF PRIOR RESTRAINT UNDER INTIMIDATION BY AUTHORITIES THAT IS TERRIFYING.

does this remind anyone of the rop?

it is shocking that obama who 'taught' constitutional law thinks this is a fine plan.
they are trying to get away w/ this until the election. and then it will be "oh no, we didn't mean to intimidate anyone."
this strong arm tactic is a good indication of what obama has in store for us.

753 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #742 realwest

Good morning to you!

Good morning, Real! Did you bring the coffee?

754 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:26am

Okay, I listened to some of the debate last night, and what I liked about McCain was his idea to simplify taxes and make them two tiered. This gave me the impression he understands that the producers need to be free to produce. Taxes are way too complex and just eliminating the complexity would help, because clarity helps people plan better. Whereas Obama had no such concern, and seems to never be aware that there are producers out there.

The other thing was McCain had the proper gravity associated with Iran. He realized the magnitude of the threat, whereas Obama was just, in my view, trying to look good polemically.

755 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:28am

re: #741 ploome hineni

thankyewverymuch

/dirty job, I know, but someone has to do it

that freekin moby soils this place

Technically a lefty stating they are a lefty is not a Moby but may be a Troll. A Moby is when a Lefty pretends to be conservative and then posts extreme and hateful things to discredit the host or attempts to sow dissension by covertly injecting talking points. Here we have someone being overt. I just Ignore it.

756 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:38am

RIP Paul. You will be missed.

As great as his movies were, his lasting legacy will be the charitable foundation he established and the nearly $250 million donated to charities around the world.

757 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:52am

re: #638 reine.de.tout

Just heard on Fox news - Paul Newman died yesterday, age 83.

He'd been sick for awhile, I think.

Great actor.

Oh no!
Oh how sad!

Yes - he was very ill with cancer for some time now.

He was great - I loved him best not for his famous eyes, but for his insolent smile.

758 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:46:27am

re: #753 FrogMarch
Ah geez, I did, but then I drank it all!
Sorry!

759 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:47:15am

re: #752 nyc redneck

good morning NYC redneck!
How is everything in your neck of the woods?

760 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:47:51am

Obama's news pitch "I am not a Muslim and I'm going to give you a tax cut"

It's actually hilarious.

761 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:48:08am

Our friends over at Power Line are requesting this video on the origins of the financial crisis get spread around.

Excellent summary. I have often wondered what people who make less than I do are doing in houses I cannot afford.

762 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:49:25am

re: #749 FrogMarch

Self-absorbed self-righteous leftists do not see themselves as thuggish. Barry and his blind faith followers are oblivious to it, blinded by their narcissistic power trip. Free speech be damned.

BHO is trying to do with LEGAL AUTHORITY what he couldn't do with his minions to Stanley Kurtz's show on WGN-AM.

It matters not a whit if they have the legal authority to arrest people. What counts is the appearance of official opression byintimidation.

How will someone stand up to these elected officials when told they are lying? Provide proof that they're not? How quickly can that be done? Who will be their sources? What if the officials say their sources are liars, too?

763 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:49:36am

re: #743 JustMyView

JustSayNo.

764 rwmofo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:01am

Hola Lizards. Just heard about Paul Newman. He was a great entertainer and apparently dontated $Millions to charity. RIP Mr. Newman.

765 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:11am

re: #752 nyc redneck

does this remind anyone of the rop?

it is shocking that obama who 'taught' constitutional law thinks this is a fine plan.
they are trying to get away w/ this until the election. and then it will be "oh no, we didn't mean to intimidate anyone."
this strong arm tactic is a good indication of what obama has in store for us.

Spread all those links to everyone you know!

766 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:34am

re: #761 unreconstructed rebel

Our friends over at Power Line are requesting this video on the origins of the financial crisis get spread around.

Excellent summary. I have often wondered what people who make less than I do are doing in houses I cannot afford.

THE DEMOCRATS ARE TO BLAME for our financial mess.

the Dems are financial jokers. they manipulate the media - but they are the real cause of all of our troubles. and this nation is about to elect a majority of the D's to office. God help us.

767 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:37am

re: #756 lawhawk

RIP Paul. You will be missed.

As great as his movies were, his lasting legacy will be the charitable foundation he established and the nearly $250 million donated to charities around the world.

I had to ding you..I could not agree more.
What a special man...
I was hungry and you fed me..I was thirsty and you gave me water...
He will stand head held high before God..he cared about people and showed it with his actions...

768 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:45am

bbiab

769 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:51:10am

re: #759 HoosierHoops

good morning NYC redneck!
How is everything in your neck of the woods?

hey Hoosier,
it's good. i'm staying positive. focusing on the little things.
clean socks, flowers in a vase, the leaves turning.
i got a new lipstick.
how are you ?

770 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:52:48am

re: #756 lawhawk
Amen and a fine tribute to Newman at your blog.
Thank you.

771 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:27am

re: #762 MandyManners

BHO is trying to do with LEGAL AUTHORITY what he couldn't do with his minions to Stanley Kurtz's show on WGN-AM.

It matters not a whit if they have the legal authority to arrest people. What counts is the appearance of official opression byintimidation.

How will someone stand up to these elected officials when told they are lying? Provide proof that they're not? How quickly can that be done? Who will be their sources? What if the officials say their sources are liars, too?

I don't have an answer, Mandy. It's beyond comprehension that this lightweight, this communist, this modern Stalin is ahead in the polls.
Too add to the insanity - I do think that in states that are close it is clear that the Obama campaign and his surrogates are attempting to rig the votes. (via ACORN and official democrats)

772 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:50am

To -(Not too)

773 Lynn B.  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:50am

RIP Ari Ben Canaan.

See also Paul Newman, The Last Of The Epic Jews? posted by Daled Amos at SoccerDad last May.

774 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:51am

re: #769 nyc redneck

hey Hoosier,
it's good. i'm staying positive. focusing on the little things.
clean socks, flowers in a vase, the leaves turning.
i got a new lipstick.
how are you ?

Recipes for the lizard cookbook?Your text to link...

(heh-heh - sorry, can't help myself, would love to have this finished in time for holiday gift giving, but need 90 more recipes!)

775 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:56am

re: #769 nyc redneck

hey Hoosier,
it's good. i'm staying positive. focusing on the little things.
clean socks, flowers in a vase, the leaves turning.
i got a new lipstick.
how are you ?

I'm doing great! thanks...
Well John doesn't need lipstick..he was a bulldog last night..
He gave no quarter...
I recorded last night on Tivo.. I'll watch it later today..again..

776 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:00am

re: #754 Archimedes

777 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:20am

It is true that Newman's foundation funds some of the most active left wing advocacy projects. Just for example consider the programing on PBS that he supported, Frontline and Bill Moyers. His acting was excellent, his business sense was enviable, his personal conduct was apparently superior. His political impact was regrettable. At this time we can pass over that and wish his family Peace. He went home at the beginning of the New Year.

778 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:35am

re: #758 realwest

Ah geez, I did, but then I drank it all!
Sorry!

Donuts?

779 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:48am

re: #774 reine.de.toutre: #774 reine.de.tout

Recipes for the lizard cookbook?Your text to link...

(heh-heh - sorry, can't help myself, would love to have this finished in time for holiday gift giving, but need 90 more recipes!)

crap -good link here for the cookbook.

780 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:56:26am

Well, what happened to my comment?

781 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:57:26am

Obama's comment that an Iranian nuke would be "a game changer" was very revealing, IMO.

782 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:57:48am

Anybody got a link to that story about The One's volunteer goon squad of brown shirters?

783 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:57:55am

re: #774 reine.de.tout

Recipes for the lizard cookbook?Your text to link...

(heh-heh - sorry, can't help myself, would love to have this finished in time for holiday gift giving, but need 90 more recipes!)

I'm working on it..the mrs hoopster agreed to give up her secret rub for Ribs and a few other recipes...I'll type it out monday for you and email you.

784 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:00:27am

re: #777 lifeofthemind
Uh, as long as we're going to pass over his politics (which we should today) why mention them at all - other than to say that while we disagreed with his politics, we admired his work as an actor and as a human being.
As lawhawk notes in his #756, Newman gave over a quarter of a BILLION dollars to charity (and that doesn't include his Hole-in-the-Wall camp for kids who were suffering from killing diseases).

785 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:01:28am

re: #774 reine.de.tout

Recipes for the lizard cookbook?Your text to link...

(heh-heh - sorry, can't help myself, would love to have this finished in time for holiday gift giving, but need 90 more recipes!)

ok, i'll try to come up w/a good recipe.
i rarely use recipes. i just throw ingredients together.
but i do like cook books.

786 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:02:06am

re: #778 FrogMarch
Sorry - I just dunked 'em all in the coffee and ate 'em up!
Say..........what did y'all bring to brunch today?!

787 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:03:04am
Strangest line of the night: From Obama: "I never objected to nuclear waste.'


Pull nuclear waste from under the bus!

788 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:03:52am

re: #774 reine.de.tout

Bookmarked this - am gonna dig out a nice Welsh recipe ...
(no, not the seaweed one!)

789 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:05:06am

re: #788 yma o hyd

Bookmarked this - am gonna dig out a nice Welsh recipe ...
(no, not the seaweed one!)

well make it a yummy dish..no boiled seaweed stuff!
LOL

790 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:05:18am

re: #782 newsjunkie_ky

Anybody got a link to that story about The One's volunteer goon squad of brown shirters?

how's meg doing this morning?

791 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:01am

re: #781 Dar ul Harb

Obama's comment that an Iranian nuke would be "a game changer" was very revealing, IMO.

Ooooh - he enver said that, did he?

What a penetrating, analytical political mind (NOT!).

792 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:24am

re: #784 realwest

And to his credit he lived in Connecticut not California, I'll go get some salad dressing.

793 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:34am

re: #373 West Coast Freedom

I feel your need for musical waves, but this is like the aimless jamming that Jerry Garcia did.. I was there

It wasn't all aimless. Listen to "Althea" from this show. It is some of the finest playing Mr. Garcia ever did.

6/20/80 Anchorage AK

794 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:08:02am
795 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:37am

re: #787 FrogMarch
Well it was strange but true - he's never objected to nuclear waste, just doesn't want it disposed of anywhere and ignores (if he even knows about) the fact that a bi-partisan panel of mostly scientists, spent two years searching for the "best" place to bury that nuclear waste and found it in a teeeeny patch of ground in the Great State of Nevada and Dingy Harry Reid, single-handidly killed that idea altogether.
Fact is, when Barry first started talking about alternative sources of fuel he did NOT mention nuclear power - I was listening very carefully, because of ALL the alternative sources of fuel, nuclear is the ONLY ONE that has a chance of coming
"on line" within the next decade. I support ALL legitmate forms of alternative energy (though have some reservations about bio-diesel) but nuclear is the only form that we know: works, know how to build them safely and to operate 'em safely and Obama left it out of his list of sources of alternative energy.

796 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:58am

re: #789 HoosierHoops

well make it a yummy dish..no boiled seaweed stuff!
LOL

Yummy?
Okie-dokie - as yummy as possible!
Thing is - Welsh 'cuisine', like the Scottish one, is what is commonly described as 'poor people's cooking', meaning its simple fare, few ingredients, and above all affordable for farmers' and miners' wives, who didn't have much money.

(Am now haring into the kitchen for my recipes!)

797 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:11:34am

Folks, watch your blood pressure over this. I know that my urge to destroy my computer pretty much went into the red over this.

A creep decided to invoke 9/11 and posted imagery and jokes relating to the Giants matchup with the Seattle Seahawks next weekend. Classy. Real f-in' classy.

798 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:12:34am

Mornin' all. I either need a new computer or my kids have hashed this one! With all the traffic on the debate threads last night, this HP couldn't keep up. Try to post a comment....got the wheel of infinite spining, then it'd post the comment then I'd hit nre comments...same shit. Even disabled the personal icon function, still didn't help. Crap. Here's some good news. We have an oufit called Northwest cable news. It is 3 or 4 stations from Seattle, Portland, Spokane and Boise maybe. Their online poll had McCain winning the debate! Granted it was within the margin of error, but with Seattle and Portland viewer voting I figured it'd be obambi in a walk.

799 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:12:38am

re: #787 FrogMarch

I noticed near the end ,Obama said: My father was from Kenya, that's where I got my name.
I thought, here we go with the race card, but intead he only used it to slam America.

/I really don't like this guy

800 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:36am

re: #797 lawhawk
No thanks my friend, I'll take your word for it; no need to get my BP up too high too soon today!

801 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:14:01am

re: #790 nyc redneck
She doesn't want to eat. I don't think she has much longer if she doesn't eat enough. Maybe she is trying to tell me something.
She wouldn't eat ground turkey or cheese.

802 Onslow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:14:45am
803 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:15:57am

re: #794 Carolyn

Here is the video

how incredibly horrifying,
this is how it started in nazi germany or communist russia.
normal looking officials making the most crazed and horrendous statements w/ a straight face. and no one questioning them.
omg.

804 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:16:01am

re: #795 realwest

Doesn't France run on Nuclear power? You'd think the Dems would be all for it. They were for it before they were against it before they checked the polls and finger-in-the wind-politiked it.

805 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:17:23am

re: #771 FrogMarch

I don't have an answer, Mandy. It's beyond comprehension that this lightweight, this communist, this modern Stalin is ahead in the polls.
Too add to the insanity - I do think that in states that are close it is clear that the Obama campaign and his surrogates are attempting to rig the votes. (via ACORN and official democrats)

I wonder how many commifascists are alive and well in America today, from the cities to the towns, East Coast to West Coast. How many are in power?

806 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:05am

re: #798 pingjockey
Good morning ping! Say, maybe you need some more RAM. I added 3 gig RAM to the 1.5 gig RAM I had and have had no such troubles ever since.
(turns out the video card in my 'puter eats up nearly
750MB of RAM cause it's set to be able to play DVD's, so I was struggling along with like 500 MB of RAM and didn't even know it!). So I now have something like 3.5 gig RAM free of video card demands. And, as I said, I've had no problems with the damn spinning wheel!

807 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:09am

re: #801 newsjunkie_ky

so sorry {newsjunkie_ky}
i'm thinking of you. prayers

808 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:33am

re: #797 lawhawk

Folks, watch your blood pressure over this. I know that my urge to destroy my computer pretty much went into the red over this.

A creep decided to invoke 9/11 and posted imagery and jokes relating to the Giants matchup with the Seattle Seahawks next weekend. Classy. Real f-in' classy.

That's jacked up. Water off a duck's back.. water off a duck's back.. water off a ducks.....

809 Globular Cluster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:41am

Obama's Disturbing Muslim Outreach

Obama's Muslim Outreach Coordinator, Mazen Asbahi, resigned in August
after only ten days in his position, when it was revealed that he had
ties to groups associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

The question is no longer about what kind of judgment was used in
bringing Asbahi on a campaign that has been plague with questionable
advisors and mentors, but whether Asbahi has actually left.

Asbahi's official stint on the Obama team ended when it came to light
that he was one of six trustees of Allied Asset Advisors Funds, a subsidiary the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT) and an advisor to the Dow Jones Islamic Fund. Both NAIT and Dow Jones Islamic Fund fall under the umbrella of Islamic Society of North
America (ISNA).

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

NAIT, which owns nearly a third of all U.S. mosques and Muslim
centers,

[Link: www.religionnewsblog.com...]

many funded by the Saudi government, advocates a radical form of
Islam. In fact, a Chicago Tribune investigation revealed that NAIT
played an important role in the takeover of a Chicago-area mosque by
Islamic fundamentalists who replaced the more moderate leaders.
(Struggle for the soul of Islam; Hard-liners won battle for Bridgeview
mosque," Chicago Tribune, February 8, 2004)

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

In a report annotated by almost 500 sources,

[Link: globalmbreport.com...]

the Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report concludes that ""ISNA was
created in the matrix of early organizations design to propagate Saudi/
Muslim Brotherhood fundamentalism throughout the world... ISNA and its
key leaders have a disturbing record of association with organizations
and individuals that are accused and/or convicted of providing
assistance to terrorist organizations as defined by the U.S State
Department... The largest body of evidence concerning these
associations relates to ISNA's support of the Palestinian terrorist
groups Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad."

As with his other radical associations (William Ayers, Samantha Power,
Reverend Wright), Mazen Asbahi may be quietly waiting behind the
scenes to resume his place when the election is over.

Investor's Business Daily reports

[Link: www.investors.com...]

that Asbahi "has not stopped working on behalf of Obama." They quote
the "former" coordinator as saying that, "despite his official exit he
was still "110%" behind Obama and that he was participating in
campaign conference calls on Muslim outreach." Leaving the campaign
was a "strategic decision," according to Asbahi.

This "strategic" decision brings to mind other similar strategic
decisions by Obama. In an article How Barack Obama learned to love
Israel, (The Electronic Intifada, 4 March 2007)

his friend Ali Abunimah

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

criticizes Obama's suddenly positive public expressions about Israel.
Abunimah comes to understand Obama's strategy when the two men run
into each other. "As he [Obama] came in from the cold and took off his
coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered,
‘Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we
are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be
more up front.' He referred to my activism, including columns I was
contributing to The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy.
"

Associates who unnerve, if not terrify, most Americans may be
temporarily put aside for "strategic" campaign purposes, but who will
be influencing the course of the nation if there is an Obama
Whitehouse and the President is finally up front?

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

810 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:44am

re: #802 Onslow

Oy.

811 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:58am

btw, good morning folks!

812 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:19:18am

re: #630 yah


You ain't alone - it's a blow to find your great idea has been done already...been there, done that !

**Wow - strange koinky dink ! I've been sitting on an idea for awhile now that so far has not been done. I was just about to type about my little fantasy of having access to someone like Mark Cuban for some start up/investment money. As I typed his name (prior to this updated/revision) I look over to my left and there is Cuban on my TV being interviewed by Cavuto ! If I wasn't "grounded" I might take this as "a sign" . Better go buy my plane ticket now..."Oh Mr. Cuban ! yoo-hoo ! It's me - your destiny, we'll make TRILLIONS together ...." Oh well. It sucks to be grounded. Back to work tomorrow...but if anyone out there is interested in a slam dunk hit of an idea and has too much loose change laying around not making a healthy return, feel free to contact me at...well, hhhmmmm. Here ?

813 Carolyn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:19:51am

We as a nation are in big trouble if a person like BHO can get in the position he is in now, never mind becoming POTUS.

814 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:20:31am

I lost my ability to comment early last night, and my guests required my attention. I thought it was something close to a slap-fight.

In other news, I am informed that Paul Newman has died at the age of 83.

RIP.

815 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:01am

re: #807 nyc redneck
Thanks. I'm trying to wrap my brain around the fact that she is going to leave me sooner than later. She may live a few more months or not. I just don't want her to be in any pain.

816 docremulac  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:26am

Oh hell yea!

Always like these videos but I'm officially a fan. Going to itunes to buy some stuff now.

817 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:28am

re: #801 newsjunkie_ky

She doesn't want to eat. I don't think she has much longer if she doesn't eat enough. Maybe she is trying to tell me something.
She wouldn't eat ground turkey or cheese.

I am sorry to here that, I just told a friend he is not allowed to get sick, 10 years in two weeks and still acts like it is 10 months.

818 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:33am

re: #801 newsjunkie_ky

She doesn't want to eat. I don't think she has much longer if she doesn't eat enough. Maybe she is trying to tell me something.
She wouldn't eat ground turkey or cheese.

Oh, I'm sorry. This is so hard.

819 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:56am

re: #802 Onslow
Well that RCP map is just wrong about N.C. - too many local polls down here show McCain with at least a 6% lead, although Obama is advertising here like crazy - seriously I'll see (regrettably) the same damn Obama ad down here at least 5 times a day.
Oh, yeah, didn't Obama say he was gonna take Public Financing before he said he wouldn't?

820 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:58am

re: #806 realwest
Ah, now there is a thought. The 15 year old has a pile of downloaded music in a couple of files. I do mean a pile!

821 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:59am

re: #811 cliffster

btw, good morning folks!

Morning cliffster..did you watch the debate last night?
It was really hard to live blog because of all the lizards on-line

822 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:22:31am

re: #692 opnion


That is correct e mundo. I knew the line but didn't feel the need to point out the exact wording - its the thought that counted !

/L3 Teacher

823 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:23:13am

re: #804 FrogMarch
Yep, according to various articles I've read, France gets OVER 70% of it's electrical power from nukes - wonder what the hell they do with their nuclear waste?

824 celtic templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:24:03am

re: #813 Carolyn

We as a nation are in big trouble if a person like BHO can get in the position he is in now, never mind becoming POTUS.

Politics are like glacial ice drifts - the Dems have been drifting left, Clintion->Gore -> Kerry -> Obama. Republicans Reagan->Bush1->Bush2->McCain.

It's unnerving, but not historically unique in politics. The silver lining on the bailout, maybe a realization that fiscal conservatism is important and we can get the drift going back to the right. (I'm praying).

825 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:24:04am

re: #815 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks. I'm trying to wrap my brain around the fact that she is going to leave me sooner than later. She may live a few more months or not. I just don't want her to be in any pain.

When my cat, Xena, was dying, I held on too long. She'd stopped eating, and she could barely walk. I just couldn't bear to let her go.

826 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:24:07am

re: #812 leftover54

I was just about to type about my little fantasy of having access to someone like Mark Cuban for some start up/investment money.

Well, your'e clearly tuned into him!

827 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:24:33am

re: #814 Dianna

I lost my ability to comment early last night, and my guests required my attention. I thought it was something close to a slap-fight.


Also known as "failure to communicate !"

828 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:24:53am

re: #801 newsjunkie_ky
Ah geez {newsjunkie_ky} I'm so sorry to hear that.
Wish there was something I could do.

830 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:25:35am

re: #821 HoosierHoops

Morning cliffster..did you watch the debate last night?
It was really hard to live blog because of all the lizards on-line

I did, and boy was I happy with things. Obama looked like a kid getting scolded by his parents. You're right, though, couldn't share the moment with lizardland.

831 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:00am

re: #827 leftover54

Also known as "failure to communicate !"

Yes, the spinning wheel of death! It just kept spinning.

832 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:20am
833 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:04am

re: #815 newsjunkie_ky

Letting my kitty go was the most painful thing I have ever done.

834 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:32am

re: #823 realwest

Yep, according to various articles I've read, France gets OVER 70% of it's electrical power from nukes - wonder what the hell they do with their nuclear waste?

I found this. [Link: www.francenuc.org...]

835 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:27am

re: #812 leftover54
IF you want folks to contact you here, y'all ought to put your e-mail addy in the Email box in the comments so your nic will turn blue; that way folks can reach you by e-mail!

836 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:54am

re: #805 MandyManners

I wonder how many commifascists are alive and well in America today, from the cities to the towns, East Coast to West Coast. How many are in power?

Too many.

837 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:29:05am

re: #805 MandyManners

Leftism, of whatever stripe, functions exactly like a religion. They are proselytizers. They believe it is their duty to work themselves into every nook and cranny of the political and financial system and influence everybody and everything they can. They believe they are justified in lying and stealing all they can get away with because, in their mind, it is for a good cause. This deal in Missouri is like the New Orleans cops seizing guns after Katrina. They don't understand that individual liberty and check and balance government is key to the future of our species.

838 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:29:23am

re: #832 jcm

Morning!

Post 911 airliine cabin announcement.

I want that guy piloting my flights. In fact, wherever I am, I want guys like him in the same room.

839 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:31:31am

re: #835 realwest

IF you want folks to contact you here, y'all ought to put your e-mail addy in the Email box in the comments so your nic will turn blue; that way folks can reach you by e-mail!

How does one do that?

840 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:26am

re: #819 realwest

Well that RCP map is just wrong about N.C. - too many local polls down here show McCain with at least a 6% lead, although Obama is advertising here like crazy - seriously I'll see (regrettably) the same damn Obama ad down here at least 5 times a day.
Oh, yeah, didn't Obama say he was gonna take Public Financing before he said he wouldn't?

The Michigan, Missouri and NC polls are troubling. This election will be decided, like all of them are, in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan. I hope that McCain can pull off Colorado. Obama is counting on massive voter fraud courtesy of Acorn, especially in Ohio due to the new motor voter instant voter law. Michigan has the Universities, Detroit and Dearbornistan. McCain hoped he'd get the hispanic vote given that he worked for it against his party for years. It isn't happening. New Mexico is for Obama and Colorado is uncertain. The illegal alien vote (there's a concept for you) will be significant in key places. The Democrats have gotten the Justice Department to pull all prosecuters out of poll watching duty for this election. Remember DoJ started doing that 40 years ago to protect minority voters facing sebregationist intimidation by Democrats. Now the Democrats are screaming intimdation claiming the DoJ surpresses the vote. What the Democrats fear is the illegal and fraudulent vote being surpressed.

841 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:35:21am

re: #834 FrogMarch
Um, thanks - now I DO have a headache from actually reading all that and I STILL don't know where France disposes of it's nuclear waste!

842 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:03am

re: #826 yah


I am the KING of coincidence ! For the past year or so I've had these little coincidental things happen - I'll be typing a word and hear someone on my TV say the word at exactly the same time I'm typing it ! It happens at least 5 out of 7 days a week, often twice a night - freakin creeps me out ! I figured this happened to everyone but everyone I asked says "nope, hasn't happened to me". Most likely due to me always having the TV on rather than a radio, CD etc., while I doodle around on my PC. The other is every time I look up to check the time, the same series of numbers are aligned and they match significant dates in my life (the ID theft scare prevents me from being more specific). It REALLY is freaky ! Same group of 3 numbers on a regular basis. I'm still trying to figure out the "logic" behind this as I don't suffer from "magical thinking", delusions etc., but it has me stumped. And I don't play "the numbers" either ! Anyone have an explanation for this ? I'm all ears !

843 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:30am

re: #839 FrogMarch
When you get to the comments box, simply type in your e-mail addy where it says "EMail address" right under user name (log out) and right above Web site.

844 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:24am

re: #815 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks. I'm trying to wrap my brain around the fact that she is going to leave me sooner than later. She may live a few more months or not. I just don't want her to be in any pain.

I am so sad for you....
Maybe this will help alittle...
Last year..My Mother..a great athlete and noted woman's champion golfer caught cancer...My mother taught me basketball and baseball and was the most wonderful person in the world..she was so young.
She would not eat and was in terrible pain..
She began to waste away.Every single day mrs hoopster would could her favorite dishes or i would pick up a dish of her all time fav. dishes..
The salmon from a certain restraunt...or her fav. dish..
She could only take a few bites...But before getting sick it was the highlight of her day..You owe your friend nice little treats and as many moments as you can..
At 4am this last valentines day i received the call that my mother had passed..My valentines day will forever be ruined...
I'm thinking of contributing only the dishes my mother loved to our cookbook..and some pictures of her holding tropheys..
Shit..I'm effen crying..back later

845 christheprofessor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:50am

re: #563 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

That was a warm-up debate for McCain and petulant Obambi lost. He couldn't complete a sentence, his points were all over the map and his stammering was beyond annoying. Bleated like a sheep over the bracelet point. Yeesh.

McCain's going to make mincemeat out of this turkey.

We have a drizzly, slate-grey day in the valley today and I'm not motivated to do too much 'cept a few chores and maybe prepare some baked ziti for dinner tonight - thanks for the recipe again, CtP - it's a winnah! :D

Quite welcome. I'm trying to drop a few pounds, and that's my motivator -- a nice baked ziti (with low carb ziti) as my reward... ;)

846 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:14am

i just heard larry kudlow (wabc radio) say ACORN has been taken out of the bail out bill.

847 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:54am

re: #840 lifeofthemind
If it's any comfort to you, I really don't pay attention to the polls until the penultimate week of October - but boy do I wish I had access to each campaign's internal polling data!

848 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:09am