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Obama Blatantly Flip Flops on Missile Defense

Politics | Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:23:54 am PDT

Cuffy at Perfunction put together this short video clip, showing Barack Obama’s complete 180 degree reversal on missile defense in last night’s debate.

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1 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:01am

Obama is the worst.

2 shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:05am

Looks like he finally got through the Nukes chapter in his Foreign policy cliffs notes

3 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:26am

And that's my brilliant political commentary

4 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:28am

IHOP = Waffle House = Obama's Rheotoric

5 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:48am

This is not the unproven missile defense system I ... blah blah blah

6 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:12am

I was against National Defense before I was for it.

/BHO

7 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:30am

He's on the run

8 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:09am

Obama's chickenhawks ... coming home to roost

9 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:15am

You know how football teams watch films of their past performances in prep for upcoming games? He ought to do that.
Of course, if he actually believed anything that he was saying, he wouldn't have to remember what he'd said previously.
(the truth is always easier to remember than the lie you told)

10 shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:17am

I knew the patriot missile system, and senator, you're no patriot.

/ channeling Lloyd

11 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:19am

The clothes has no emperor!

12 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:40am

re: #7 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He's on the run

He's on sumthin'

13 JSK1121  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:44am

As if anyone here expected any less from this loser.

14 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:46am

re: #10 shug

I knew the patriot missile system, and senator, you're no patriot.

/ channeling Lloyd

LOL!

15 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:29:17am

And no one expected this?

He's going to say and do anything to get elected, including contorting himself into a pretzel.

16 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:32am

The messiah wears flip flops! I could hardly watch that mess last night. If obambi was being graded for his performance he'd get a D. To many eh, um, er, ah just terrible to listen to. The man can't get to the point. Why? Cause if you say one thing then change your mind the next day or the day after and then try to say "This has been my postion all along", your brain is trying to catch up with your latest flip flop and interupts your speach pattern. His brain is misfiring, OMG! Someone get a timing light, we'll shine it in his ear and see if we can synch up al the lies and distortions.

17 Wishing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:48am

I hope the McCain team gets THAT ad made

18 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:31:21am

His voters won't care because they don't believe anything he says either. They expect him to lie to capture independent voters. No matter what he says he'll do, they assume he'll get right on his left-wing agenda once he's in office.

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:31:36am

re: #12 jcm

He's on sumthin'

He's on the lam from the original platform of (Chicago's) Alinsky Machine.

/a Google search says I'm not the first to use that, but only four results.

20 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:31:50am

But all the "polls" have declared Obama the victor, so let's all just go back to sleep and not point how inept he is.

/

21 DoubleU  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:35am

If people are paying attention to this, which I think they are, this is how the Republicans will steal another election.

22 Sheldon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:36am

Drudge Poll : 302.654 votes - Obama 30%

23 loppyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:51am

This would make a great ad....

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:03am

re: #11 The Other Les

The clothes has no emperor!

*rimshot*

25 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:12am

He wasn't flip-flopping, he was refining his position!

26 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:46am

His bracelet has no name.

/bling

27 loppyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:20am

re: #20 JammieWearingFool

But all the "polls" have declared Obama the victor, so let's all just go back to sleep and not point how inept he is.

/

Even CNN's John King said to take their poll with a grain of salt because they're audience is skewed with a larger proportion of dems.

28 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:50am

re: #25 cliffster
Racist! Big oil lover...you said refining!

29 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:55am

This isn't the only thing he lied about last night. I hope fact checkers are eligible for overtime.

30 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:35:14am

At any given minute, Obama believes what the polls and his 301 foreign policy advisors tell him to believe. I have yet to see any evidence at all that he has ever once had a single original thought, or a single a single moral thought or belief that is a core part of his being.

31 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:35:43am

re: #15 lawhawk

And no one expected this?

He's going to say and do anything to get elected, including contorting himself into a pretzel.

It's still unbelievable to watch it happen right before our eyes. He distorts and lies, yet not one MSM outlet will call him on it. I want someone to play this clip, and all the others, one by one- and ask him to explain the flip-flops.

32 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:30am

Someone should do an ad on that bracelet bit.

It shows just how empty and vacuous Obama truly is. He's trying so desperately to fit in that he had to pull that nonsense. If you want an example of OODA loop, that's probably it.

McCain probably knew that Obama had such a bracelet and ran with his story, knowing that Obama would try to one-up McCain. A flub that reveals plenty about Obama's character.

There are some events that people remember. That's probably it from the debate.

Well, that and the missile defense thing (if anyone pays attention to national defense these days).

33 HongKongCharlie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:31am

My 9 year old granddaughter asked why he was test messaging during the debate. I then realized if what she saw was accurate, he was using a mini teleprompter! Can anyone else verify what she saw! It would be hilarious if true.

34 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:57am

re: #30 galloping granny
I liked his statement that he warned us about the mess on the street 2 years ago. Right and I'm the Czar of all the Russias'!

35 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:00am

re: #21 DoubleU

If people are paying attention to this, which I think they are, this is how the Republicans will steal another election.

Steal?

36 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:21am

I think McCain came out of last nights debate with a bunch of advertisement material.

1. There is the ad already out of "you're absolutely right, John".
2. There is this flop flop on missile systems.
3. There is the parsing and changing position on "preconditions"
4. When asked what Obama would cut from his programs to help the economy, he cut nothing but came up instead with 3 new spending programs in 2 minutes.
5. There is the strategy vs. tactic confusion.

37 vapig  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:24am

Sad news - Paul Newman has passed away.

Rest in peace, sir.

38 HongKongCharlie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:55am

I meant to say (text) messaging

39 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:56am

re: #29 Sharmuta

This isn't the only thing he lied about last night. I hope fact checkers are eligible for overtime.

Oh, you mean like claiming that he saw the financial mess coming and warned against it?

Damn, but that was one heck of a brazen lie. I haven't recovered from it, yet!

40 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:56am

re: #32 lawhawk

Someone should do an ad on that bracelet bit.

I thought of that too!

/

41 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:02am

I've got a bracelet too! Hey, guys! I've got a bracelet toooo!

42 loppyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:19am

Barry's "I have a bracelet too" moment reminded me of Veruca Salt in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

"I wanted to be the first to find a Golden Ticket, Daddy!"

43 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:48am

re: #41 cliffster

I've got a bracelet too! Hey, guys! I've got a bracelet toooo!

Do you still have the hat?

44 rsquare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:52am

I was shocked, before I wasn't shocked

45 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:36am

re: #37 vapig

Sad news - Paul Newman has passed away.

Rest in peace, sir.

I saw that just before I came here. He was a great actor. RIP.

46 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:57am

Did anyone notice the hapless Lerch wandering past the stage in the aftermath? Looked like he was hoping someone would recognize him.

47 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:31am

re: #33 HongKongCharlie

My 9 year old granddaughter asked why he was test messaging during the debate. I then realized if what she saw was accurate, he was using a mini teleprompter! Can anyone else verify what she saw! It would be hilarious if true.

HA. What if someone was feeding him the answers? Yikes.

48 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:34am

re: #39 Dianna

Oh, you mean like claiming that he saw the financial mess coming and warned against it?

Damn, but that was one heck of a brazen lie. I haven't recovered from it, yet!

Yes! And I'm still pissed about the BS about al-qaeda being as strong as they were in 2001.

49 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:46am

re: #44 rsquare

What does your avatar represent?

50 shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:47am

re: #45 gop_patriot

I saw that just before I came here. He was a great actor. RIP.

One of the last remaining great stars.

and so far he's given over 250 million to charity, all with so little fanfare.
God Bless Him and his family

51 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:09am

re: #46 JammieWearingFool
Jon F'n halp uz Kary was there? Mwahaha!

52 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:17am

re: #39 Dianna

Oh, you mean like claiming that he saw the financial mess coming and warned against it?

Damn, but that was one heck of a brazen lie. I haven't recovered from it, yet!

Or, that he "lead the charge" on anything. Or that he's said such-and-such, "more than once". He's definitely said "more than once" more than once.

53 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:51am

re: #48 Sharmuta
That little statement had me hollering at the TV.

54 revparadigm[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:52am
55 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:42:08am

Ire: #52 cliffster

Or, that he "lead the charge" on anything. Or that he's said such-and-such, "more than once". He's definitely said "more than once" more than once.

He said he agreed with John McCain more than once.

56 flynmudd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:42:59am

Obama is a liar with a forked tongue.

57 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:07am

re: #53 pingjockey

That little statement had me hollering at the TV.

I yelled the the TV a couple times. Like when he started talking about his dad. What did his father have to do with anything?

58 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:12am

re: #48 Sharmuta

Yes! And I'm still pissed about the BS about al-qaeda being as strong as they were in 2001.

Ooooh! I thought I'd lose my ability to breathe at that!

It literally was breathtaking!

BTW, I wasn't in the room for the "bracelet" bit; I was looking up a book for someone. What did I miss? I heard hooting and hollering, but no one would explain.

59 Sizzlack  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:25am

Was it me or did anyone else notice Obama trying to suggest he warned the White House about Russia before they invaded Georgia? He then seemed to go on to suggest that had the White House listened to what he had to say that there may never have been an invasion. WHAT? Am I crazy? Is he somehow trying to suggest that had someone listened to him (he was talking about Russia?) that we could have avoided that conflict?

60 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:29am

re: #47 gop_patriot

HA. What if someone was feeding him the answers? Yikes.

I thought he was getting "help" from a team in the audience. I picked up on that after McCain went into some statistics about how much pork Obama was responsible for. He had his eyes on something to his lower left (looked like front row audience, to me), and I saw him nod his head.

You have a sharp granddaughter!

61 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:33am

re: #47 gop_patriot

HA. What if someone was feeding him the answers? Yikes.


That would be huge.

62 Chris in Toronto  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:36am

re: #36 3 wood

#5 was MY favourite.

63 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:49am

re: #57 Sharmuta
IIRC, didn't his Dad bail out on him and his mom?

64 loppyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:53am

Howie Carr:

And the winner is.....Mac by a bracelet
Some highlights:

McCain mentions that he’s wearing a bracelet he got from the mother of a soldier slain in New Hampshire.

To which Obama responds: “I have a bracelet, too.”

So there!

For the last hour, McCain bested Obama at almost every turn. Even at the start, McCain mentioned Ted Kennedy’s seizure first, and later he beat him to the punch on global warming while simultaneously dropping Hillary Clinton’s name first. McCain even needled Obama on his presidential seal.

I laughed out loud.

McCain is tough, Barack is Harvard.

Faculty lounge v. ROTC

Barack Obama kept saying last night he “agreed” with “John.” McCain said “Sen. Obama” didn’t get it. McCain said he’s got the mojo because he went to Afghanistan, Obama said he’s got it because his running mate is Joe Biden. Joe Biden?

Well his chopper was "forced down" while in Afghanistan. Wait. Nevermind.

Read the whole thing for some laughs.

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:55am

Just got home. Saw the Paul Newman news. Very sad.

66 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:44:29am

re: #55 Sharmuta

I

He said he agreed with John McCain more than once.

What he meant was, "John McCain has an actual record on this...damn!"

67 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:44:37am

re: #58 Dianna

Ooooh! I thought I'd lose my ability to breathe at that!

It literally was breathtaking!

BTW, I wasn't in the room for the "bracelet" bit; I was looking up a book for someone. What did I miss? I heard hooting and hollering, but no one would explain.

John McCain talked about his bracelet and how the mother who gave it to him didn't want her son to have died in vain.

Then it's barry's turn and he says, "I have a bracelet, too".

68 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:44:48am

re: #57 Sharmuta

I yelled the the TV a couple times. Like when he started talking about his dad. What did his father have to do with anything?

That was just weird, I was actually really surprised. "My father is from Kenya, that's where I got my name". Is he really connecting with Americans, saying that? I thought that was a mistake.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:31am

Note to self...

Do not watch debates with moonbats.

70 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:41am

re: #59 Sizzlack

Was it me or did anyone else notice Obama trying to suggest he warned the White House about Russia before they invaded Georgia? He then seemed to go on to suggest that had the White House listened to what he had to say that there may never have been an invasion. WHAT? Am I crazy? Is he somehow trying to suggest that had someone listened to him (he was talking about Russia?) that we could have avoided that conflict?

It sounded like he was exploring that line...and then veered off.

Though with Obama, who can be sure?

71 Crux Australis  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:46am

He's has more flip-flops than an Australian beach in the Summer. lol

72 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:50am

CORRECTION
HongKongCharlie (#33) has a sharp granddaughter.

73 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:53am

An oldie but a goodie!

Obama's Posters: Message in the Image

The posters depict the same graphic closeup of the candidate with one block word either "Hope," "Change" or "Progress" at the bottom. I knew that I had seen this before, and then it came to me that this image appropriates the graphic style of totalitarian Soviet propaganda.
74 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:07am

I'm now getting hate mail from Andrew Bostom, who believes we should all be joining forces with European white nationalists, calling me all kinds of names and insults.

It's an eye-opener about Bostom.

75 loppyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:09am

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Did anyone notice the hapless Lerch wandering past the stage in the aftermath? Looked like he was hoping someone would recognize him.

I can't find it on-line, but there is a picture of of him yawning during the debate in the print edition.

76 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:15am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Note to self...

Do not watch debates with moonbats.

Where did you hide the body?
/

77 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:25am

re: #59 Sizzlack

Was it me or did anyone else notice Obama trying to suggest he warned the White House about Russia before they invaded Georgia? He then seemed to go on to suggest that had the White House listened to what he had to say that there may never have been an invasion. WHAT? Am I crazy? Is he somehow trying to suggest that had someone listened to him (he was talking about Russia?) that we could have avoided that conflict?


Obama thinks that writing letters is "doing something." He hold no hearings, crafts no legislation, conducts no fact finding trips but he writes a letter telling others to get busy and slove a problem everybody already knows about. If he was a blogger he'd be a joke.

78 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:29am

I missed the bracelet thing entirely. What's it about?

79 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:32am

re: #66 Dianna

What he meant was, "John McCain has an actual record on this...damn!"

I loved the "I agree with McCain" after the Russia question. There was nothing he could say that was going to top what McCain had said, nothing he could do to show he had any more knowledge of the situation than what McCain had said, so he had to go with "ditto". LMAO.

80 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:51am

re: #57 Sharmuta

I yelled the the TV a couple times. Like when he started talking about his dad. What did his father have to do with anything?

He was saying how his father came here in the 60s. But since Obama was born in 1961, wouldn't the drunken Communist father have arrived earlier?

I found that part entirely incongruous to the discussion. Some prepared pap he had to throw in.

He's a joke.

81 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:54am

re: #33 HongKongCharlie

My 9 year old granddaughter asked why he was test messaging during the debate. I then realized if what she saw was accurate, he was using a mini teleprompter! Can anyone else verify what she saw! It would be hilarious if true.

Do you know at approximately what point in the debate that happened? I have it on my DVR so I could check. It may have just been the bracelet moment, though.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:47:38am

Ever notice that in LGF's spell check John McCain is spelled correctly, and Barack Obama is not? Huh.

83 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:04am

re: #68 cliffster
He was slamming the USA. Something about his dad wanted to come here cause we offer opportunities and now we suck. Hey barry, you ever look at how many people want into this country...Legally or illegally? The man is a broken tool!

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:12am

re: #76 jcm

Where did you hide the body?
/

Only if...

85 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:15am

re: #67 Sharmuta

John McCain talked about his bracelet and how the mother who gave it to him didn't want her son to have died in vain.

Then it's barry's turn and he says, "I have a bracelet, too".

Given the crowd in my family room, that was probably a seriously bad move on Obama's part. Oh, dear.

To say it's pro-military is such an understatement.

86 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:17am

The best part was when Obama tried to get some Kissinger creds, and McCain came back with something like, "yeah, me and my good friend Henry Kissinger have been talking about this sort of thing for 20 years..." Obama is the student, McCain is the guest speaker in his class.

87 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:56am

re: #74 Charles

I'm now getting hate mail from Andrew Bostom, who believes we should all be joining forces with European white nationalists, calling me all kinds of names and insults.

It's an eye-opener about Bostom.

This guy?

88 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:10am

re: #74 Charles
You know how good you are by your enemies...or something like that.

89 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:13am

re: #74 Charles

I'm now getting hate mail from Andrew Bostom, who believes we should all be joining forces with European white nationalists, calling me all kinds of names and insults.

It's an eye-opener about Bostom.

What? Bostom? I thought he had more sense?

90 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:48am

re: #74 Charles

Hope he enjoys his new nazi friends because he's now fringe.

91 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:59am

re: #79 Sharmuta

I loved the "I agree with McCain" after the Russia question. There was nothing he could say that was going to top what McCain had said, nothing he could do to show he had any more knowledge of the situation than what McCain had said, so he had to go with "ditto". LMAO.

ROTFL.. what you said, Sharmuta.

92 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:10am

re: #78 MandyManners

I missed the bracelet thing entirely. What's it about?

McCain made reference to a bracelet given him by the mother of serviceman who was killed in action.

Immediately after (he couldn't wait), Obama says, "Well, I have a bracelet too! Given to me - uh, uh, uh, uh - . . . "

He couldn't immediately remember who or why, but, golly gee, he had a bracelet too!

93 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:11am

re: #46 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie - yeah, I noticed that and I also noticed - for the few seconds he was "on camera" that no one said anything to Kerry either! LOL!
Hey, how are you and yours doing my friend?

94 Sizzlack  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:22am

re: #70 Dianna

It sounded like he was exploring that line...and then veered off.

Though with Obama, who can be sure?

Ok so if he was exploring that line...does that mean his ego is so large that he thinks the world could have avoided the Russia/Georgia conflict had someone, anyone...just paid a little attention to poor Barry. Thats nuts.

95 kansas  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:33am

I'd send the clip to others, but since I could go to jail in St. Louis......

96 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:45am

I find it odd that Obama would try to coopt Kissinger at all since he's so widely reviled by the Left for his policies and connections to Nixon. Maybe he's thinking that if he name drops Kissinger moderates and independents might think he's more moderate than he really is?

Someone must have focus-grouped the idea of dropping Kissinger's name. Bad idea.

97 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:53am

re: #78 MandyManners

Me Too!

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:59am

re: #80 JammieWearingFool


Nah. He got "busy" quick!

Don't think that's racist. I'll let you judge.

99 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:17am

Not only that- McCain should make a smart ad - revealing how the democrats tried to add an ACORN slush-fund to the bail-out bill, and link Obama's left-wing associations with corrupt ACORN.


[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
Is the ACRON slush fund gone?
Lets hope so...

(McCain and all republicans need to remind voters that Democrats pretend to be moderate on the campaign trail, but once elected, they go back to the far left to govern. And that is not where this nation is.)

100 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:24am

re: #60 jwb7605

I thought he was getting "help" from a team in the audience. I picked up on that after McCain went into some statistics about how much pork Obama was responsible for. He had his eyes on something to his lower left (looked like front row audience, to me), and I saw him nod his head.

You have a sharp granddaughter!

That is so scary, that someone running for POTUS would need someone else to give him the answers... but he's looking not for the correct answer, but the correct response. The response that will make him look better, truth be damned. Disgusting.

/that was HongKongCharlie's granddaughter, not mine, I'm sure that's who you meant though. :)

101 opinionated  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:41am

For public consumption, the campaign of the Obama camp is "change".

The internal campaign is predicated on the proposition that many voters are ignorant, dumb and will vote for style over substance.

That Obama is where he is, evidences that the Obama camp may have many of the American voters pegged correctly.

102 ladycatnip  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:48am

#47 gop_patriot

re: #33 HongKongCharlie

My 9 year old granddaughter asked why he was test messaging during the debate. I then realized if what she saw was accurate, he was using a mini teleprompter! Can anyone else verify what she saw! It would be hilarious if true.

HA. What if someone was feeding him the answers? Yikes.

Could this be a repeat of Gore's cheat sheet? Kids know text messaging because that's what they all do. Outed by a kid!

103 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:50am

re: #96 lawhawk

I find it odd that Obama would try to coopt Kissinger at all since he's so widely reviled by the Left for his policies and connections to Nixon. Maybe he's thinking that if he name drops Kissinger moderates and independents might think he's more moderate than he really is?

Someone must have focus-grouped the idea of dropping Kissinger's name. Bad idea.

I thought that exchange was the "You're no Jack Kennedy" moment of this election.

104 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:56am

re: #54 revparadigm

This is like a actor auditioning for the lead on a new show called the "The Left Wing" [ala The West Wing]...except there is too many writers handing this poor guy scripts to a pilot episode versions that don't mesh with each other.

Actually, that sounds like a pretty good concept for a series itself!

105 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:05am

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

106 cblesz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:24am

re: #39 Dianna

Oh, you mean like claiming that he saw the financial mess coming and warned against it?

Damn, but that was one heck of a brazen lie. I haven't recovered from it, yet!

McCain needs to call him out on that. Unreal, what a tool. It was McCain who warned about Fannie and Freddie and Obama and his cronies simply said no, nothing to see here...

107 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:24am

re: #93 realwest

Hey Jammie - yeah, I noticed that and I also noticed - for the few seconds he was "on camera" that no one said anything to Kerry either! LOL!
Hey, how are you and yours doing my friend?

I'm fine, thanks. Very busy. In the office tending to some stuff on this dreary, rainy day. I saw my wife positioning the vacuum cleaner and figured it was a good time to head to the office, where things are quieter.

Hope all is well with you.

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:37am

re: #105 Charles

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

Please do.

109 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:49am

re: #105 Charles

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

Please do.

110 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:54am

re: #94 Sizzlack

Ok so if he was exploring that line...does that mean his ego is so large that he thinks the world could have avoided the Russia/Georgia conflict had someone, anyone...just paid a little attention to poor Barry. Thats nuts.

He's certain that he's the center of the universe.

111 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:59am

re: #108 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GMTA!

112 HongKongCharlie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:14am

re: #81 doppelganglander

I'm not sure, his eyes and head movements were continuous. She may have seen it more than once before mentioning it.

113 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:28am

re: #80 JammieWearingFool

He was saying how his father came here in the 60s. But since Obama was born in 1961, wouldn't the drunken Communist father have arrived earlier?

I found that part entirely incongruous to the discussion. Some prepared pap he had to throw in.

He's a joke.

Yes I found it awkward but Kennedy was President when the flying polygamist cruised by to leave BO behind. Wish McCain had responded by pointing out how people are still eager to get to America and he wants to make sure they get to do so by following the rules.

114 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:28am

re: #78 MandyManners
Hey Mandy! McCain started talking about troops and vet's care and all and said he's wore a bracelet with someone's name on it (he said the guy's name and rank) to which Obama said, literally, "I have a braclet too, John from...................(looks down at braclet - Honest to God) and then says the guys name.
Putz. Evil Putz but Putz nonetheless.

115 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:35am

re: #105 Charles

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

He was sharing a private moment with you. If you publish his emails, how will he ever trust you again?

116 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:03am

Obama is making John Kerry look like a flip flopping piker.

117 yah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:05am

re: #33 HongKongCharlie


My 9 year old granddaughter asked why he was test messaging during the debate. I then realized if what she saw was accurate, he was using a mini teleprompter! Can anyone else verify what she saw! It would be hilarious if true.

Can you remember it what point she said this - maybe we can see it on a replay and "promote" it. What a great ad that would make.

118 Power Armored Lizardoid  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:06am

Yeah, big surprise, a Liberal Democrat flip flopped. (Lied his a$$ off) I see why this needs to be exposed, but it doesn't surprise me one bit. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of this guys mouth is a smacktard. I was really laughing last night when he stuck to his story (read: blatant lie) that he will give 95% of Americans a tax cut. Yeah right Obamabi, you lying douchbag. You weren't going to do it before the current economic crisis, and you sure the heck aren't going to do it now.

I guess what pisses me off the most is not that he's lying to me, no, it's that he thinks I'm stupid enough to believe it.

119 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:14am

re: #105 Charles

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

Go for it.

I had quite a laugh reading Andrew Sullivan's deranged emails someone sent to Howard Kurtz. Ace had a rundown on it the other day.

Looniness needs exposure.

120 chukardog  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:21am

I love how liberal dip shits, despite any evidence whatsoever, accuse republicans of "stealing elections", when liberal institutions like ACORN have actually been caught red handed more than once perpetrating voter fraud. You know ACORN right Double U? thats the scurrilous organization that Obama worked for, the one that has been trying to steal elections since their inception.

121 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:28am

via Michelle Malkin (from yesterday):

A reader noticed something interesting while exploring Barack Obama’s voter registration website, Vote for Change. If you answer “no” to a question about U.S. citizenship, you get a screen that says:

Unfortunately, only US citizens are eligible to register to vote.

122 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:42am

re: #105 Charles
Please do Charles! I've never really liked him to begin with, but for him to be sending you hate e-mails over something which he knows how passionate you feel - and rightly so - would be truly illuminating to read them!

123 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:55:01am

re: #105 Charles

I suppose there are ways of telling whether it's really him, and not someone who stole his email addy (aren't there ways to do that sort of thing?)?

124 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:55:13am

re: #110 Dianna
He is. He's a b***k hole where the light of intelligence and truth is sucked in and dies in the horrific gravity of moronic idiocy.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:55:32am

re: #112 HongKongCharlie

You related to this guy?

126 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:55:55am

re: #123 gop_patriot

I suppose there are ways of telling whether it's really him, and not someone who stole his email addy (aren't there ways to do that sort of thing?)?

It's really him.

127 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:16am

re: #102 ladycatnip

#47 gop_patriot

Could this be a repeat of Gore's cheat sheet? Kids know text messaging because that's what they all do. Outed by a kid!

Obama cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, never mind text message and speak at the debate (even to the marginal degree he did so).

Let's not sound like the left in 2004, all right? Remember "the bulge"? Remember "the pen"?

Just leave it.

128 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:23am

re: #33 HongKongCharlie

My 9 year old granddaughter asked why he was test messaging during the debate. I then realized if what she saw was accurate, he was using a mini teleprompter! Can anyone else verify what she saw! It would be hilarious if true.

That would be HUGE - this was supposed to be teleprompter free and off the cuff.

129 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:40am

re: #85 Dianna
Hi {Dianna} - it was worse than "I've got one too" Obama had to actually sneak a peek at the bracelet to remember the guy's name!

130 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:44am

The Obama, a stealth candidate, spouting takquia until he gets his hands on the power.The we'll be presented the true agenda; no military defense,no self defense, no free speech, no middle class.

131 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:55am

re: #92 reine.de.tout

McCain made reference to a bracelet given him by the mother of serviceman who was killed in action.

Immediately after (he couldn't wait), Obama says, "Well, I have a bracelet too! Given to me - uh, uh, uh, uh - . . . "

He couldn't immediately remember who or why, but, golly gee, he had a bracelet too!

Oh, my stars! That is beyond tacky. Using the memory of a DEAD SERVICEMEMBER to advance himself?

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:55am

re: #116 FrogMarch

Obama is making John Kerry look like a flip flopping piker.

This is where "floundering" (instead of foundering) becomes either a delicious pun or a Freudian slip. Imagine a flounder flopping flopping flopping on dry land.

133 opinionated  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:57:02am

re: #96 lawhawk

I find it odd that Obama would try to coopt Kissinger at all since he's so widely reviled by the Left for his policies and connections to Nixon. Maybe he's thinking that if he name drops Kissinger moderates and independents might think he's more moderate than he really is?

Someone must have focus-grouped the idea of dropping Kissinger's name. Bad idea.

He can use the name (everyone recognizes) to attempt to impeach McCain.

He can do it only with the full knowledge that he can pretty much say anything he pleases because any error correction of his statements- if they ever see the light of day at all in the mainstream- will appear where they are insignificant to the consciousness of most voters.

134 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:57:29am

re: #121 reine.de.tout

via Michelle Malkin (from yesterday):

A reader noticed something interesting while exploring Barack Obama’s voter registration website, Vote for Change. If you answer “no” to a question about U.S. citizenship, you get a screen that says:

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !

135 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:57:32am

can make 20 more like that after the debate. wants to be mccain now

136 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:03am

re: #106 cblesz

McCain needs to call him out on that. Unreal, what a tool. It was McCain who warned about Fannie and Freddie and Obama and his cronies simply said no, nothing to see here...

To say nothing of who we find associated with Obama right now! Jim Johnson was the head of Obama's VP vetting committee!

Come on!

137 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:07am

re: #126 Charles

It's really him.

Wow, that's too bad.

138 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:14am

re: #105 Charles

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

Make him famous!

139 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:25am

re: #129 realwest
I didn't know they had these bracelets. I had a POW/MIA bracelt in jr. high. The guy made it home! Have no idea where it has got to. Then again it was 38 years ago!

140 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:34am
141 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:01am

re: #95 kansas

I'd send the clip to others, but since I could go to jail in St. Louis......

Missouri elected officials have no power in Kansas. Also, no where in the stories does it say that they will arrest anyone. Instead, it's the appearance of official oppression that is worrisome at this point.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:23am

re: #138 jwb7605

Make him famous!

That is the part of John McCain's platform that I most heartily support.

I said it yesterday; I'll say it today...

I. Want. Blood.

143 kansas  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:27am

re: #140 ploome hineni

it is amazing to me, how people are mezmerized by his delivery, totally ignoring the content of his speeches

Yeah, especially since his delivery is ponderous. Hell even Krauthammer calls him elegant. WTF?

144 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:52am

re: #113 lifeofthemind

Yes I found it awkward but Kennedy was President when the flying polygamist cruised by to leave BO behind. Wish McCain had responded by pointing out how people are still eager to get to America and he wants to make sure they get to do so by following the rules.

The problem there being that McCain desperately needs to avoid talking about immigration at all, because we are all way over-sensitive on that point.

145 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:56am

McCain should have looked at Obama and said "I know Henry Kissinger, Henry Kissinger is a friend of mine and you Senator...." It would have brought the house down.

146 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:01:19am

re: #140 ploome hineni

it is amazing to me, how people are mezmerized by his delivery, totally ignoring the content of his speeches

So much of America today is totally absorbed by appearance.

/idiots!

147 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:01:24am

re: #97 Killer Tomato

Me Too!

FUCKING POSER! GAH! UH...ER...UH....

148 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:01:29am

re: #140 ploome hineni

it is amazing to me, how people are mezmerized by his delivery, totally ignoring the content of his speeches


Very much like Herr Schiklegruber.

I think I've just come up with yet another knickname for "The One".

Herr Schvartzegruber.

149 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:08am

re: #126 Charles
IF you're sure it's really him, PLEASE put up a thread about - and showing us - those e-mails!

150 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:49am

Slightly OT: A Stronger Stroger Eccomony

I fully expect to be dinged down for this, but come on, It's looney tunes times.

151 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:14am

re: #143 kansas

Heard that also. Blechh! I find the Obama speak extremely irritating, especially that little higher pitched punctuation he uses at the end of making a "point."

152 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:25am

re: #146 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I was a teacher for 3 years, navy electronics. This barry dude has no delivery. He is slow, ponderous, to many unforced errs' etc...No public speaker since RWR has been able to hold my attention.

153 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:25am

re: #126 Charles

I know that an e-mail belongs to the recipient, and you may publish it if you feel the need. I tend not to like that sort of thing, that's all.

154 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:34am

re: #149 realwest

IF you're sure it's really him, PLEASE put up a thread about - and showing us - those e-mails!

I'm considering it.

155 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:32am

Good morning, lizards. Did anyone else hear Bambi call McCain "Jim" last night? I could swear I heard that.

156 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:38am

re: #154 Charles

I'm considering it.

You tease!

157 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:40am

re: #152 pingjockey

I was a teacher for 3 years, navy electronics. This barry dude has no delivery. He is slow, ponderous, to many unforced errs' etc...No public speaker since RWR has been able to hold my attention.

Newt Gringrich (even if he occasionally is a twit) has always been able to hold my attention.

158 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:48am

REAL WEST ARE YOU HERE?

159 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:52am

re: #153 Dianna

I know that an e-mail belongs to the recipient, and you may publish it if you feel the need. I tend not to like that sort of thing, that's all.

I agree and now I'm leaning toward not publishing. But after the third nasty email from him, I'm just pissed off enough to do it.

160 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:55am

re: #131 MandyManners
Not just using it Mandy, he couldn't remember the guys name without looking at the bracelet! See Killer Tomato's #97! It's the video from the debate!

161 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:17am

Slimy 0bama

How.

Very.

Sad.

162 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #59 Sizzlack

Was it me or did anyone else notice Obama trying to suggest he warned the White House about Russia before they invaded Georgia? He then seemed to go on to suggest that had the White House listened to what he had to say that there may never have been an invasion. WHAT? Am I crazy? Is he somehow trying to suggest that had someone listened to him (he was talking about Russia?) that we could have avoided that conflict?

He also claims that he warned George Custer about the Indians at Little Big Horn, and he warned FDR about December 7th

and his followers believe him

163 rsquare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:42am

re: #49 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cerveza Imperial,

My Favorite beer.


mmm...beer.


From Costa Rica, it is only now just starting to make inroads in to the good old U.S.of A.

164 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:43am

re: #140 ploome hineni

it is amazing to me, how people are mezmerized by his delivery, totally ignoring the content of his speeches

It does boggle the mind, doesn't it?

165 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:44am

re: #112 HongKongCharlie

I'm not sure, his eyes and head movements were continuous. She may have seen it more than once before mentioning it.

I think I'll watch it with the mute button on (it's better that way anyhow) and see if I notice it. It could have been a Blackberry, or he could have gone the old-fashioned route of writing the answers on the palm of his hand.

166 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:57am

re: #159 Charles

I agree and now I'm leaning toward not publishing. But after the third nasty email from him, I'm just pissed off enough to do it.

Perhaps you should forward a couple of these posts to him.
Any reply might tip you one way or the other.

167 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:57am

I watched the debate last night.

Why is that Obama's outright LIES are never challenged, i.e. the simple fact that he was not in the Senate re: Iraq war voting? Also, his revisions of his OWN WORDS. Good grief.

The bracelet moment was hilarious though. Uh..uh...yeah..I have one too. lol!

Also, I heard a lot of Kerryesque "I have a plan" crap coming out of Obama.

My take is that McCain needs to start talking in terms of principled thought/ideology instead of "I did this and I did that". And he needs to stay consistent.

We're in a battle of idealogy right now and we need to show the public EXACTLY where Obama is ideologically - right in the camp of communism/socialism.

168 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:06:43am

Man I gotta restrain myself from letting loose a string of curse words when I watch that video.

169 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:06:46am

re: #157 jwb7605
Haven't heard Newt other than on Fox. Not in a public forum. What I meant to allude to about being an instructor is you have to be on point, entertaining, and no distracting mannerisms.

170 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:06:51am

re: #159 Charles

I agree and now I'm leaning toward not publishing. But after the third nasty email from him, I'm just pissed off enough to do it.

Ask yourself - what would Willie do?

171 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:09am

re: #159 Charles

I agree and now I'm leaning toward not publishing. But after the third nasty email from him, I'm just pissed off enough to do it.

I understand.

172 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:10am

re: #105 Charles

Here's a question. Why email now? Why is Bostom thinking you need to align with the neo-fascists, white supremacists? And is this a change from his prior position, or just coming out of the proverbial closet?

173 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:15am

I have the explanation. Obama is nuanced. A square can be a circle, if you are nuanced about it.

174 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:18am

re: #152 pingjockey

I was a teacher for 3 years, navy electronics. This barry dude has no delivery. He is slow, ponderous, to many unforced errs' etc...No public speaker since RWR has been able to hold my attention.

He's a perfect oratorical blend of Martin Luther King making his "I have a dream!" speech, and John F. Kennedy making his "Ich bin ein Berliner!" speech.

Unfortunately it's about the only tone that Obama seems to have, and it's inappropriate for ordering a toasted cheese sandwich.

175 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:25am

re: #158 Typicalwhitey
Yes I am - what's up?

176 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:43am

re: #155 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good morning, lizards. Did anyone else hear Bambi call McCain "Jim" last night? I could swear I heard that.

He confused him with Jim Lehrer. All those old white guys look alike.

/

177 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:32am

re: #176 JammieWearingFool

LOL

178 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:46am

re: #155 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good morning, lizards. Did anyone else hear Bambi call McCain "Jim" last night? I could swear I heard that.


Twice as I remember

179 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:46am

re: #176 JammieWearingFool
Racist! Ageist!

180 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #139 pingjockey

I have one too - it's from Nam, though.
This is 'my' guy. He never came home.

SSgt Champion

181 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:44am

re: #172 lawhawk

Here's a question. Why email now? Why is Bostom thinking you need to align with the neo-fascists, white supremacists? And is this a change from his prior position, or just coming out of the proverbial closet?

This isn't the first time. When this issue first blew up, he sent me several angry emails supporting the fascists. I emailed back and basically told him to f--- off.

Now he's angry over the demonstration in Cologne, and really going over the top.

182 cblesz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:49am

re: #167 rightymouse

I watched the debate last night.

Why is that Obama's outright LIES are never challenged, i.e. the simple fact that he was not in the Senate re: Iraq war voting? Also, his revisions of his OWN WORDS. Good grief.

The bracelet moment was hilarious though. Uh..uh...yeah..I have one too. lol!

Also, I heard a lot of Kerryesque "I have a plan" crap coming out of Obama.

My take is that McCain needs to start talking in terms of principled thought/ideology instead of "I did this and I did that". And he needs to stay consistent.

We're in a battle of idealogy right now and we need to show the public EXACTLY where Obama is ideologically - right in the camp of communism/socialism.

It would behoove the McCain camp to get thier facts straight regarding who is to blame for the financial crisis (Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Obama), their Fannie and Freddie connections, the CRA and how McCain tried to bring more oversight through legislation that was not even voted on because of the Dems. Hopefully, they will talk about this or Palin will have it covered thoroughly Thursday.
The general public thinks this is the Republicans fault simply because CBS, NBC,CNN etc. say it is. Simply because Bush is President. It is sickening.

183 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:10:14am

re: #164 Dianna

It does boggle the mind, doesn't it?


I hate it when my mind gets all boggled.

184 Javaman007  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:10:19am

He's a cartoon flip book. Flip the pages as fast as you can to animate him.
oh, and when he stutters? that just the Matrix resetting itself.

185 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:01am

re: #159 Charles

I agree and now I'm leaning toward not publishing. But after the third nasty email from him, I'm just pissed off enough to do it.


Charles: Writers constantly publish emails directed towards them..
It happens all the time on the MSM.. The ugly, wacky emails that Bill Simmons ( the sports guy ) gets on ESPN are hillarious when he replies on the web and in the rag..
Even our small time writers in Indy often share the crazy emails they receive and often publish and reply..
just my humble opinion

186 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:12am

re: #180 Killer Tomato
Damn!

187 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:27am

Been supplying some great LGF links to a friend in Ohio. Just told me that he narrowly avoided a fight with an Obamaton in a bar the other night. lol.

188 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:28am

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

189 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:05am

re: #179 pingjockey
Hey ping! I gotta tell ya - I do wish McCain wouldn't say things like" 25 years ago when I first came to congress I warned President Reagan........."

Hell, there are voters NOW who weren't even born then John. I don't care how old you may be, but Obama's going for the youth vote, why can't you just say "I warned President Reagan about the Marines in Lebbanon" why do you HAVE to add the "25 years ago" stuff?!
Geez!

190 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:09am

re: #157 jwb7605

Newt Gringrich (even if he occasionally is a twit) has always been able to hold my attention.

Newt did a series of lectures on history and politics at Reinhardt College in Waleska, Georgia years ago. It was available on videotape at my public library, but today it might be YouTube for all I know. If you can get a hold of it, he's really compelling.

191 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:16am

and Bostom knows a lot about being mindless

192 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:24am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

What should be our response to that, Charles?

193 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #97 Killer Tomato

Me Too!

Obama: "... no U.S. soldier ever dies in vain ..."

I would personally get smack in his sanctimonious face over that one. I went to high school with a man who died in the Marine barracks in Beirut.

194 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

Oh, well. Clearly, he doesn't understand about honey, vinegar, and flies.

195 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:11am

re: #184 Javaman007

He's a cartoon flip book. Flip the pages as fast as you can to animate him.
oh, and when he stutters? that just the Matrix resetting itself.

Max Headroom?

196 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:36am

re: #155 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good morning, lizards. Did anyone else hear Bambi call McCain "Jim" last night? I could swear I heard that.


I heard that too - but I do think it was a faux pas in that he was fixated on patronizing Jim Lehrer. Also noticed that he didn't call McCain "Senator", although Senator McCain always called him "Senator Obama". It's subtle, but the refusal to use appropriate titles says a lot to me about the person who thinks they are above issue of common respect.

197 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:36am

re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Obama: "... no U.S. soldier ever dies in vain ..."

I would personally get smack in his sanctimonious face over that one. I went to high school with a man who died in the Marine barracks in Beirut.

And more than a few died in Vietnam only to have it all thrown away with both hands.

198 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:40am

re: #189 realwest
That might not be a bad idea, then again how many under 30 actually vote? He should leave off the time factor though.

199 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:51am

re: #178 lifeofthemind

I only heard it once but I had nothing but interruptions during the debate last night. Firefox decided I needed an update right before it started, then got an important phone call 40 minutes in. grrrr

200 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:54am

Oh this is rich.
Bank of America just called to offer me a life insurance policy... underwritten by AIG... I started laughing and hung up.

201 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:56am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

Has he found your latest stalker blog yet?!

202 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:58am

re: #188 Charles
Charles, I respect Dianna's point of view, but ya know he just insulted ALL of us, and I think we should be able to read those e-mails - or at least the ones that call us "mindless followers".

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:00am

re: #195 jwb7605

I really liked Matt Frewer. Where's he gone?

204 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:04am

re: #181 Charles

This isn't the first time. When this issue first blew up, he sent me several angry emails supporting the fascists. I emailed back and basically told him to f--- off.

Now he's angry over the demonstration in Cologne, and really going over the top.

He might be banking on you not exposing him so he can carry on with his reputation intact. I think nazi sympathizers should be exposed so we can all see exactly what we're dealing with.

205 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:10am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

He thinks that?
So ... what do you want us do do now?
////

206 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:43am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

I'd much rather mindlessly follow you than a white supremacist.

207 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:59am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

I prefer to think of myself as a thoughtful person on the same path. And never on the same path as white supremacists.

208 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:17am

re: #188 Charles
I am not a mindless follower! I am part of the global Zionist conspiracy! And proud of it. Now where's my check?!

209 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:28am

re: #132 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This is where "floundering" (instead of foundering) becomes either a delicious pun or a Freudian slip. Imagine a flounder flopping flopping flopping on dry land.

Fat, drunk, and stupid is the way to go through life when you're a Marxist.

(Hey, it worked for KM.)

210 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #197 galloping granny

Good morning galloping granny - not one US Troop died in Vietnam in vain. Not One. And none of us lucky enough to come back physcially well served in vain either.

211 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:39am

re: #152 pingjockey

I was a teacher for 3 years, navy electronics. This barry dude has no delivery. He is slow, ponderous, to many unforced errs' etc...No public speaker since RWR has been able to hold my attention.

Heh (and a salute) ... the best instructors at NAS Memphis (ATN school) were very adept at holding a class' attention.

212 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:47am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

You
complete
me

213 jemima  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:50am

Does Dr. Bostom know me? I seem to have forgotten ever meeting him, if so. I guess then he is right, I am mind-less.

214 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:02am

re: #202 realwest

Charles, I respect Dianna's point of view, but ya know he just insulted ALL of us, and I think we should be able to read those e-mails - or at least the ones that call us "mindless followers".

I don't really feel an aching need. I'm getting used to being insulted for being a lizardoid minion.

I'm just old enough that I cringe over the publication of letters. Just.

215 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:04am

re: #196 rightymouse

I heard that too - but I do think it was a faux pas in that he was fixated on patronizing Jim Lehrer. Also noticed that he didn't call McCain "Senator", although Senator McCain always called him "Senator Obama". It's subtle, but the refusal to use appropriate titles says a lot to me about the person who thinks they are above issue of common respect.

This is a product of Obama's long held firm belief that he is ALREADY the president. He has stated this over and over - a dozen times or more. Once or twice was a faux pas. He has referred to his "presidency" in the present rather than the potential tense far too often for it to be a mere slip of the tongue though. Calling John McCain is just a reflection of his belief that he is already POTUS - presidents outrank everyone and get to call everyone by their first names.

216 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:11am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

Mindless Followers from Fritz Lang's Metropolis

217 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:12am

re: #181 Charles

This isn't the first time. When this issue first blew up, he sent me several angry emails supporting the fascists. I emailed back and basically told him to f--- off.

Now he's angry over the demonstration in Cologne, and really going over the top.


There are a lot of people still wavering on the fence on this issue, Charles, for a lot of different reasons. If you are going to make that allegation about Dr. Bostom you need to back it up.

The violence by the antifa left against the Cologne conference was quite nasty from what I have read. As an Italian political commentator once said, "we have two types of fascists, fascists and anti-fascists".

218 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:22am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

I believe it's called "projection".

219 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:02am

The one common true thing about all progressive candidates - they cannot be honest. They are leftists, yet they have to fake and hide their true leftist identity in order to get elected.

Will the America people be fooled?

220 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:20am

re: #167 rightymouse

I watched the debate last night.

Why is that Obama's outright LIES are never challenged, i.e. the simple fact that he was not in the Senate re: Iraq war voting? Also, his revisions of his OWN WORDS. Good grief.

Lies mean nothing to modern liberals. They all lie as a matter of course. I mean, Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc. etc. just lie continually. It's part of who they are and how they survive.

So, given this fact, and the fact that the msm go along with it all, I'm not sure what you can do. They lie, they know they lie, and they will lie even about that. We point it out, and nobody seems to care. It's pathetic, it's sick, but we elect these dolts.


The bracelet moment was hilarious though. Uh..uh...yeah..I have one too. lol!

I know. I'm trying to come up with a good analogy. It's almost like it's a reductio ad absurdum on its own.

McCain: I fought in Vietnam and was tortured as a prisoner of war. Obama: I've known people who have fought in wars.

Whoooa,.... that's great, Barry, I'm impressed. Man, McCain dodged bullets, flew fighter jets, and was taken prisoner and tortured, and you knew someone who was in a war. Yikes, can't top that!

221 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:22am

re: #196 rightymouse

It really ticked me off that he didn't refer to McCain as senator also. He is so disrespectful.

222 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:24am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I really liked Matt Frewer. Where's he gone?

Eureka (Sci Fi channel).

Other miscellaneous and sundry parts. He "holds the plot together" frequently IMO.

223 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:39am

re: #163 rsquare

Cerveza Imperial,

My Favorite beer.

Thanks. Should have guessed it was beer. After all, this is LGF.

224 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:40am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

Whatever you say.

/

225 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:40am

bbl

226 Wilderstad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #155 Pvt Bin Jammin

OBama is no Bones McCoy or even the real McCoy. McCain is Captain Kirk.

227 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:57am

re: #210 realwest

Good morning galloping granny - not one US Troop died in Vietnam in vain. Not One. And none of us lucky enough to come back physcially well served in vain either.

I look at the betrayal of my friends a little differently than you do Realwest.

228 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:10am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

I'd like to see one of them try and debate me. They are welcome to try. ;)

229 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:14am

re: #204 Sharmuta
I agree with you completely Sharm. And I had forgotten that he dissed Charles pretty badly the first time around with these damn fascist mofos.

230 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:18am

re: #225 MandyManners

bbl

Did you clear that with Charles?

231 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:22am

re: #185 HoosierHoops

Charles: Writers constantly publish emails directed towards them..
It happens all the time on the MSM.. The ugly, wacky emails that Bill Simmons ( the sports guy ) gets on ESPN are hillarious when he replies on the web and in the rag..
Even our small time writers in Indy often share the crazy emails they receive and often publish and reply..
just my humble opinion

oh and i forgot..once a month the sports guy publishes the craziest most wack email he got..for the very last email and says
Yes..those are my readers...
I laugh my ass off..

Charles..I think you should publish every month the 3 most crazy emails you get and the lizards will vote on it.. It could really be fun..
heck lets contact annefrance for a contribution...

232 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:47am

Mindless followers - different topic, I know, but all I think of when I hear that is "Lemmings for Obama"

233 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:54am

re: #216 lifeofthemind

Updinged because I think that's a lovely movie!

234 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:54am

re: #211 pre-Boomer Marine brat
What the navy did, is take SMEs(subject matter experts) send you to instructor school for 6 weeks and turn you loose. You were critiqued once a month and had to pass a board to teach. Obambi wouldn't pass, to many distracting mannerisms, doesn't get to the point, etc...

235 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:13am

re: #105 Charles

Yes please - its necessary to show that people may be good academically but have no idea at all when it comes to actually choosing political allies.
No principles.
Being knowledgeable is not sufficient! One must have priciples.

236 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:17am

re: #215 galloping granny

This is a product of Obama's long held firm belief that he is ALREADY the president. He has stated this over and over - a dozen times or more. Once or twice was a faux pas. He has referred to his "presidency" in the present rather than the potential tense far too often for it to be a mere slip of the tongue though. Calling John McCain is just a reflection of his belief that he is already POTUS - presidents outrank everyone and get to call everyone by their first names.

I think Obama has been reading "The Secret."

237 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:23am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

For me, it's a badge of honor.

238 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:59am

re: #234 pingjockey

What the navy did, is take SMEs(subject matter experts) send you to instructor school for 6 weeks and turn you loose. You were critiqued once a month and had to pass a board to teach. Obambi wouldn't pass, to many distracting mannerisms, doesn't get to the point, etc...


I personally believe that's more accurate.

239 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:24am

re: #197 galloping granny

And more than a few died in Vietnam only to have it all thrown away with both hands.

That too.

240 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:42am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

Of what?

241 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:44am

re: #221 Pvt Bin Jammin

It really ticked me off that he didn't refer to McCain as senator also. He is so disrespectful.

Obama's a punk.

242 chicagodudewhotrades  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:51am

Morning all. How is everyone? Quick question, where can i find a free online transcript of last night's debate? I want to check out exactly what Obama said on a topic

243 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:59am

re: #159 Charles

I agree and now I'm leaning toward not publishing. But after the third nasty email from him, I'm just pissed off enough to do it.

I last idiot I chewed out online hasn't responded yet. That was two weeks ago.

244 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:07am

Did this guy Bostom have a lizard nic at any time?

245 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #238 jwb7605
Heh!

246 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #217 Colonel Panik

There are a lot of people still wavering on the fence on this issue, Charles, for a lot of different reasons. If you are going to make that allegation about Dr. Bostom you need to back it up.

The violence by the antifa left against the Cologne conference was quite nasty from what I have read. As an Italian political commentator once said, "we have two types of fascists, fascists and anti-fascists".

You don't have to support anarchists and Antifa in order to want nothing to do with Le Pen and DeWinter and their cronies. If you're leaning toward the Euro nationalists, you're already falling off that "fence."

247 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:58am

re: #182 cblesz

It would behoove the McCain camp to get thier facts straight regarding who is to blame for the financial crisis (Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Obama), their Fannie and Freddie connections, the CRA and how McCain tried to bring more oversight through legislation that was not even voted on because of the Dems. Hopefully, they will talk about this or Palin will have it covered thoroughly Thursday.
The general public thinks this is the Republicans fault simply because CBS, NBC,CNN etc. say it is. Simply because Bush is President. It is sickening.

My lib friends cannot stand the idea that any of their beloved pols were involved with the financial shenanigans. It's just easier on their brains to blame Bush and go about their lives in utter oblivion to facts or call BS on any fact that confuses them. Facts just clutter up things because they actually may have to think about/evaluate why they vote Democrat in the first place.

248 El Lizardo mejicano  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:00am

I thought that the big "Obamba" was talking in spanish for a minute there...I guess I had one too many Cuba Libre's last night..

249 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:11am

re: #202 realwest

Charles, I respect Dianna's point of view, but ya know he just insulted ALL of us, and I think we should be able to read those e-mails - or at least the ones that call us "mindless followers".

You have a point, but it's still Charles' call. The e-mails were addressed to him.

250 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #221 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey there PBJ! Ya don't understand - calling him John all night long was Barry's way of making them seem equal.
Didja notice that McCain only referred to him as Senator Obama.
Woulda served him right if McCain started calling him
Barack! LOL!
How are you and have you seen our buddy Sage lately?
I mean, he never calls, he never writes............!

251 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #218 Sharmuta

I believe it's called "projection".

That's what Cylons do.

252 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:25am

re: #229 realwest

I agree with you completely Sharm. And I had forgotten that he dissed Charles pretty badly the first time around with these damn fascist mofos.

Well- I can see Dianna's point, and I would agree except we're talking about a respected person supporting nazis and attacking Charles. That sounds crazy to me, and he should be outed for this irrationality. Why should he get to continue to lurk in the shadows and possibly convince others to join him?

253 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:25am

re: #121 reine.de.tout

From BHO website,

Unfortunately, only US citizens are eligible to register to vote.

Maybe this is relevent to his campaign stops in Berlin and pah-key-stahn. Wonder how much international postage ACORN is buying these days.

254 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:45am

re: #226 Wilderstad

Aye.

255 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:23:10am

re: #246 Charles
I'd have to say that this is one of those times where the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' does not apply!

256 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:23:15am

re: #157 jwb7605

Newt Gringrich (even if he occasionally is a twit) has always been able to hold my attention.

Newt did a series of lectures on history and politics at Reinhardt College in Waleska, Georgia years ago. It was available on videotape at my public library, but today it might be YouTube for all I know. If you can get a hold of it, he's really compelling.

Found it. It was actually recorded at Kennesaw State University in 1993 and it's called "Renewing American Civilization." It's a set of 10 videotapes.

257 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:23:24am

re: #227 galloping granny
How is that?

258 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:14am
259 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:27am

re: #175 realwest

Yes I am - what's up?


Please watch this quick video and tell me if it is legal?

[Link: www.kmov.com...]

260 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:34am

re: #234 pingjockey

What the navy did, is take SMEs(subject matter experts) send you to instructor school for 6 weeks and turn you loose. You were critiqued once a month and had to pass a board to teach. Obambi wouldn't pass, to many distracting mannerisms, doesn't get to the point, etc...

We should use being a military instructor as a route to a teaching credential. Not only would it get thousands of good teachers into the schools but it would cut back the truly dangerous influence of the Columbia Teacher's College and like minded institutions. Of course some subject matter training would be needed in addition but that is usually overstated. Teacher training is a form of Barber College.

261 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:50am

re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You have a point, but it's still Charles' call. The e-mails were addressed to him.

You are correct.

262 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:53am

re: #258 ploome hineni

why?

Dr. Bostom is a tireless resercher and scholar, very dedicated and intense in his desire to expose and stop the malignant spread of islam and jihad

I am sure he never intended to insult

No, ploome. He intended to insult, very directly.

263 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:05am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

If I was a mindless follower I wouldn't have had any posts deleted.

And I certainly wouldn't say "go and ahead and delete this if goes too far" if I were a mindless drone.

People who see things through their own eyes will always have disagreements with each other.

F**k off, Comrade Bostom.

264 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:24am

re: #228 Archimedes

I'd like to see one of them try and debate me. They are welcome to try. ;)

Oh, Bostom is an individual. Sorry, thought it was some sort of a group. Hadn't heard of him until now. :)

265 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:26am

re: #256 doppelganglander

re: #157 jwb7605

Found it. It was actually recorded at Kennesaw State University in 1993 and it's called "Renewing American Civilization." It's a set of 10 videotapes.

Videotape? WTF is that?

/

266 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:46am

re: #249 pre-Boomer Marine brat Never said it wasn't Charles' call pre-boomer! Just said I'd LIKE him to publish them. And if you weren't a mindless follower you'd say the same thing!
//////

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:26:14am

re: #234 pingjockey

What the navy did, is take SMEs(subject matter experts) send you to instructor school for 6 weeks and turn you loose. You were critiqued once a month and had to pass a board to teach. Obambi wouldn't pass, to many distracting mannerisms, doesn't get to the point, etc...

CRITIQUED?!
HAD TO PASS A TEST IN ORDER TO TEACH?!
So-called "education" from the Age of Dinosaurs, to be sure.
Obviously, the Navy was never enlightened by the NEA.

/does it REALLY need one?

268 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:04am

re: #260 lifeofthemind
They have that program, unfortunatley to qualify you have to hav a Bachelors degree BEFORE you apply. Out of 20 years in the navy, I was on shore duty for 3. Kinda tough to get a degree of any kind floating around the Indian Ocean/Persian Gulf. So that is why I'm not a teacher.

269 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:07am

re: #259 Typicalwhitey

Please watch this quick video and tell me if it is legal?

[Link: www.kmov.com...]

Truth Squad - Orwell couldn't make this shit up

270 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:25am

re: #250 realwest

Our buddy is fine. We saw him Thursday night. He posted once or twice here last night but he's been having fun posting over on a motorcycle/dirt bike blog.

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:31am

re: #240 Celtic Templar

Of what?

What do you mean ... "of what?" ?
Are you really that MINDLESS ?!?

272 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:40am

Herro Rizards!
/Kim Jong-Il mode off

What's the general consensus of the debate last night? I didn't watch a lot - Animal House was on & I would rather watch Senator Blutarsky than Senator Obama - but from what I did see, I didn't see any surprises from either candidate.

273 Chris in Toronto  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:47am

re: #222 jwb7605

Eureka (Sci Fi channel).

Other miscellaneous and sundry parts. He "holds the plot together" frequently IMO.

If I'm not mistaken, he was also the crazy bad-guy scientist in Taken, the scifi miniseries that propelled Dakota Fanning into the firmament.

274 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:58am

re: #271 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What do you mean ... "of what?" ?
Are you really that MINDLESS ?!?

Got the joke, good on ya!

275 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:28:15am

re: #267 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Mwahahaha! I just snorted lifer juice everywhere!

276 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:28:48am

re: #265 Fat Jolly Penguin

Videotape? WTF is that?

/

LOL, ask your parents!

277 yesandno  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:28:51am

re: #188 Charles

By the way, according to Bostom, you're all "mindless followers."

Well there are mindless followers and then there a less mind followers.

278 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:20am

*raises hand*
Charles? May I be excused to go to the bathroom, please?
Thank you.
Mindless Follower #85-1104

279 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:26am
280 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:57am

Later folks

281 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:26am

re: #278 Killer Tomato

*raises hand*
Charles? May I be excused to go to the bathroom, please?
Thank you.
Mindless Follower #85-1104


don't make me downding you! LOL

282 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:50am

I posted two comments in the melee that were threads dedicated to discussing the debate last night. The topic was so busy that I noticed many people couldn't post or refresh frequently.

Now that everybody has calmed down (or passed out), here it is again:

I think the correct response for McCain on the question of "what would you have to scale back or delete in your proposals?" is simply NOTHING.

McCain's proposals work in either a descending or ascending economy.
He proposes no new government programs, and proposes spending cuts primarily via pork projects, and proposes just giving all citizens a tax break so they can choose their own health care and education tracks. The two proposals go hand in hand, and one pays for the other.

Comments? I think I'm brilliant. What's the flaw in my logic?

283 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:05am

re: #252 Sharmuta

Bostom's opposition to Charles' position is pretty open. I was not aware that Bostom was descending into crankery - there's no reason for me to be aware of it - so the whole publication issue is one I'm only commenting on in a general way. As a first principle, in other words.

Being pissed off is not necessarily a reason to publish. I do, however, understand being angry, and feeling under attack.

Charles has been viciously attacked by people he thought he knew for more than a year. It's reached a point where I imagine that Charles is feeling very cautious about who he talks to, and how much he trusts people. If the emails are truly hateful, lunatic, and threatening, Charles may need (at some point) to publish them in self-defense.

It's up to him to decide when that point has been reached.

284 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:15am

That clash in Cologne is interesting, by the way, because when this issue first came up last year the pro-fascists put up an incredible smokescreen of arguments insisting that I was either making everything up and those groups weren't fascist at all, or wildly exaggerating and taking everything out of context.

If I was so off-base to blow the whistle on DeWinter and his pals, why did tens of thousands of Europeans show up to protest against them? Did I brainwash all of them too?

And one more point: there were violent anti-fascists there, yes, but there were also many thousands of people who protested peacefully against the so-called "anti-Islamisation" meeting. To portray this as an apocalyptic battle between two bad sides is simply bullshit.

285 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:32am

re: #140 ploome hineni

it is amazing to me, how people are mezmerized by his delivery, totally ignoring the content of his speeches

i listened to the debate on the radio. no distractions of SEEING either candidate.
mccain won. his voice was calm. he sounded authoritative and thorough. a guy you would trust. he was sincere.
obama didn't deliver the uh- uh's quite as bad as i expected but he sounded hollow, indecisive and spoke in absurd smoke screen generalities. he did not speak from personal experience on anything. he sounded like a wheeler dealer just throwing out lines, hoping something might impress someone.

mccain brought a lot of hands on information and knowledge. very credible.
and no one could doubt mccain's PATRIOTISM.

286 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:45am

re: #278 Killer Tomato
NO! Siddown and shaddup. Todays lesson is how to properly apply a cluebat to the forehead of moonbats...Listen closely.

287 uscmsne  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:46am

Whoa, whoa, whoa! That's not what Lord Barack said! He said he'd cut UNPROVEN missile defense technology. The missile defense program has already been funded and is a PROVEN technology. Therefore, it is an acceptable asset to maintain. Once again, you smear merchants have no problem misquoting and mischaracterizing his positions for your own political gain. /sarc

BHO has no problem riding the wave of success off of those who stand in the ring. No /sarc. That's the God's-Honest-Truth.

288 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:49am

re: #268 pingjockey

They have that program, unfortunatley to qualify you have to hav a Bachelors degree BEFORE you apply. Out of 20 years in the navy, I was on shore duty for 3. Kinda tough to get a degree of any kind floating around the Indian Ocean/Persian Gulf. So that is why I'm not a teacher.

My husband got his degree from the University of Maryland European Division while he was in the Navy. Well, actually, he took a lot of classes, took a couple more after he left the service, and finally applied for and received the actual degree this past June, almost 20 years later.

289 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:53am

re: #282 jwb7605

I posted two comments in the melee that were threads dedicated to discussing the debate last night. The topic was so busy that I noticed many people couldn't post or refresh frequently.

Now that everybody has calmed down (or passed out), here it is again:

I think the correct response for McCain on the question of "what would you have to scale back or delete in your proposals?" is simply NOTHING.

McCain's proposals work in either a descending or ascending economy.
He proposes no new government programs, and proposes spending cuts primarily via pork projects, and proposes just giving all citizens a tax break so they can choose their own health care and education tracks. The two proposals go hand in hand, and one pays for the other.

Comments? I think I'm brilliant. What's the flaw in my logic?

Nope, INACTION is not a good campaign platform ... always have to look like your doing something. Like my old boss said, if you ain't got nothing to do, push a broom

290 yesandno  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:32:39am

re: #282 jwb7605

I posted two comments in the melee that were threads dedicated to discussing the debate last night. The topic was so busy that I noticed many people couldn't post or refresh frequently.

Now that everybody has calmed down (or passed out), here it is again:

I think the correct response for McCain on the question of "what would you have to scale back or delete in your proposals?" is simply NOTHING.

McCain's proposals work in either a descending or ascending economy.
He proposes no new government programs, and proposes spending cuts primarily via pork projects, and proposes just giving all citizens a tax break so they can choose their own health care and education tracks. The two proposals go hand in hand, and one pays for the other.

Comments? I think I'm brilliant. What's the flaw in my logic?


More of the do NOTHING proposals of the past!


/nothing really :)

291 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:33:22am

re: #266 realwest

Never said it wasn't Charles' call pre-boomer! Just said I'd LIKE him to publish them. And if you weren't a mindless follower you'd say the same thing!
//////

Excuse me, but the Scarecrow's song keeps running through my empty cranial cavity. What was it you just said?

292 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:33:26am

re: #215 galloping granny

This is a product of Obama's long held firm belief that he is ALREADY the president. He has stated this over and over - a dozen times or more. Once or twice was a faux pas. He has referred to his "presidency" in the present rather than the potential tense far too often for it to be a mere slip of the tongue though. Calling John McCain is just a reflection of his belief that he is already POTUS - presidents outrank everyone and get to call everyone by their first names.


By jove, you may be on to something there. Hadn't looked at it that way and it does make sense.

I was thinking more in terms of Couric's refusal to call Palin "Governor" and that it was some sort of childish, unprofessional bug the Dems may have up their collective rears.

293 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #262 Charles

No, ploome. He intended to insult, very directly.

Ask Bostom for permission to reprint. I wouldn't post without doing that at least.

294 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:19am

re: #282 jwb7605

I think you're right about McCain's proposals, but I also think the answer wouldn't be satisfying to most voters. As conservatives, we believe that less government is better. Liberals and moderates tend to feel like the government needs to do something, and they'd almost rather see it do the wrong thing than nothing. So while you're right in principle, I think it would be a tactical error.

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #278 Killer Tomato

*raises hand*
Charles? May I be excused to go to the bathroom, please?
Thank you.
Mindless Follower #85-1104

ROFLMAO

296 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:27am

re: #288 doppelganglander
Good on him. I do know the carriers do take college instructors aboard. Small boys seldom. Hey Plugs is yapping on Fox...Waiting for insert foot moment.

297 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:30am

re: #259 Typicalwhitey
The video is legal - just a news broadcast. However, I think it's a violation of Missouri's ethic's laws for LAW ENFORCEMENT to get involved in deciding whether or not what anyone says about Obama is the truth or not.
Indeed, I'd question whether or not it's legal, much less ethical, for members of Mo.'s law enforcement to do this "on company time" so to speak.
The first amendment is pretty damn clear about Free Speech and it most assuredly DOES apply to the GOVERNMENT and the officials of the government, State or Federal.
I expect the ACLU will come out and denounce this program of intimidation by governmental law enforcement officials any day now.
And, please forgive my language here, but IF I were in Missouri and I said something about Obama (like his pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class is a lie - which it is cause he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts lapse, so people making over $45,000 a year WILL be paying higer taxes if Obama wins) and they tried to bully me, I'd just tell them to FUCK OFF.
Did that answer your question?

298 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:35:47am

re: #262 Charles

No, ploome. He intended to insult, very directly.

Why should we care? I have little respect for people who draw illogical conclusions anyway.

299 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:35:55am

re: #221 Pvt Bin Jammin

It really ticked me off that he didn't refer to McCain as senator also. He is so disrespectful.

Agreed.

300 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:02am

re: #297 realwest

The video is legal - just a news broadcast. However, I think it's a violation of Missouri's ethic's laws for LAW ENFORCEMENT to get involved in deciding whether or not what anyone says about Obama is the truth or not.
Indeed, I'd question whether or not it's legal, much less ethical, for members of Mo.'s law enforcement to do this "on company time" so to speak.
The first amendment is pretty damn clear about Free Speech and it most assuredly DOES apply to the GOVERNMENT and the officials of the government, State or Federal.
I expect the ACLU will come out and denounce this program of intimidation by governmental law enforcement officials any day now.
And, please forgive my language here, but IF I were in Missouri and I said something about Obama (like his pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class is a lie - which it is cause he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts lapse, so people making over $45,000 a year WILL be paying higer taxes if Obama wins) and they tried to bully me, I'd just tell them to FUCK OFF.
Did that answer your question?

I did notice in the interviews near the Obama HW, the stupid O symbol is strategically positioned first over the woman's right shoulder, then over the man's left shoulder. Nice little hit squad Obama has there huh?

301 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:27am

re: #287 uscmsne

Whoa, whoa, whoa! That's not what Lord Barack said! He said he'd cut UNPROVEN missile defense technology. The missile defense program has already been funded and is a PROVEN technology. Therefore, it is an acceptable asset to maintain. Once again, you smear merchants have no problem misquoting and mischaracterizing his positions for your own political gain. /sarc

BHO has no problem riding the wave of success off of those who stand in the ring. No /sarc. That's the God's-Honest-Truth.

Any developing technology is unproven. Up to and including the point where it is used.
My case in point was the Patriot (?) missile system we put in Israel during the Gulf war to defend against SCUDS.
That (defensive) missile system is also perfect for Barack to use for either side of the argument. The system was not 100% effective.

302 Last Mohican  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:50am

I'm very late to this thread, and everyone has sort of moved on from the Obama video.

But, not to play Obama's advocate or anything, but I think it's possible that the two positions that he takes are not mutually inconsistent. Maybe he supports missile defense systems that are (1) "proven," and (2) not space-based, but he won't support missile defense systems that are unproven or space-based.

303 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:50am

re: #293 Celtic Templar

Ask Bostom for permission to reprint. I wouldn't post without doing that at least.

Nobody else in the world asks permission to publish emails directed towards them..
Nobody..Charles owns the emails..they were addressed to him..
this is a non issue..
How are ya doing Celtic? Nice day today from here

304 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:37:45am

re: #302 Last Mohican
ANY weapons system is unproven until it performs in a combat environment.

305 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:04am

re: #296 pingjockey

Good on him. I do know the carriers do take college instructors aboard. Small boys seldom. Hey Plugs is yapping on Fox...Waiting for insert foot moment.

He was able to take most of his classes on base because he only went to sea TDY for up to 10 weeks. Thanks for the heads up on Biden so I know not to turn the TV on.

306 vz_comfy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:05am

Did anyone else have 'Horseshack' from Welcome Back Kotter flashbacks, when Obambi commenced with the "I have a bracelet too, Jim" nonsense?

307 azcon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:18am

I can't stand Obama,I think he is dispicable and it kills me to say this but on one hand he says he is in favor of missile defense and on the other he would cut unproven missile defense. 2 different things, no?

308 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #304 pingjockey

ANY weapons system is unproven until it performs in a combat environment.

Including the kid fresh out of boot camp.

309 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:38am
310 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:54am

re: #305 doppelganglander
What did he do that he didn't have to go to sea? Sneaky guy!

311 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:58am

re: #294 doppelganglander

I think you're right about McCain's proposals, but I also think the answer wouldn't be satisfying to most voters. As conservatives, we believe that less government is better. Liberals and moderates tend to feel like the government needs to do something, and they'd almost rather see it do the wrong thing than nothing. So while you're right in principle, I think it would be a tactical error.

Well, fine. Apparently that's the reason I've not been contacted to run for president. It still doesn't explain those coaching positions on football teams I should have been offered, though :)

312 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:59am

re: #303 HoosierHoops

Nobody else in the world asks permission to publish emails directed towards them..
Nobody..Charles owns the emails..they were addressed to him..
this is a non issue..
How are ya doing Celtic? Nice day today from here

That's what makes a better man, well ... better ;)

Doing well, craptacular day in the SSR of NJ - rainy, but I got the Nittally Lions on tonight - BBQ is being primed ;)


How are things in Hoosier Land?

313 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:05am
314 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:10am

re: #289 Celtic Templar
"if you ain't got nothing to do, push a broom" or, better yet, walk around with a clipboard with paper on it and carrying a pen and look ALL around you.
People WILL leave you alone! LOL!

315 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #302 Last Mohican

I'm very late to this thread, and everyone has sort of moved on from the Obama video.

But, not to play Obama's advocate or anything, but I think it's possible that the two positions that he takes are not mutually inconsistent. Maybe he supports missile defense systems that are (1) "proven," and (2) not space-based, but he won't support missile defense systems that are unproven or space-based.

But I want space based systems!

316 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:39am

re: #308 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Very true that!

317 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:08am

re: #278 Killer Tomato

Believe it or not, I think that was my college ID number.

318 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:21am

re: #302 Last Mohican

I'm very late to this thread, and everyone has sort of moved on from the Obama video.

But, not to play Obama's advocate or anything, but I think it's possible that the two positions that he takes are not mutually inconsistent. Maybe he supports missile defense systems that are (1) "proven," and (2) not space-based, but he won't support missile defense systems that are unproven or space-based.

Or, in the altrenative , he is just lying to Infidels.
Oh wait, he has never been a Muslim , even when he took Koranic instruction in Indonesia.

319 yesandno  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:24am

I hope that McCain takes the time to define what Obama means by the Upper Class.

If someone who makes $45,000 a year and your taxes will go up because of no renewal of the tax cuts, then someone who makes $45,000 or more a year is not middle class, but upper class according to Obama's logic.

Many under $45,000 pay no taxes. So in essence, he is telling everyone from $45,000 and up that they will bear ALL the tax burden....and a lot of it will be for the probable TRILLION dollars bailout.

And when McCain is finished hammering that home, he can start to name names.....

320 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:42am

re: #310 pingjockey

What did he do that he didn't have to go to sea? Sneaky guy!

If I told you, I'd have to kill you. ;) It involved listening to people speaking a foreign language. What did you do?

321 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:52am
322 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:55am

re: #314 realwest

"if you ain't got nothing to do, push a broom" or, better yet, walk around with a clipboard with paper on it and carrying a pen and look ALL around you.
People WILL leave you alone! LOL!

LOL - you want to know my disciplinary tactic for my kids? Dig a hole - Mom has a garden, any time one of the kids act up, they got an appropriately size shovel ... tires them out, and keeps them working :)

It's an offshoot of pushing a broom.

323 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:41:07am

re: #312 Celtic Templar

That's what makes a better man, well ... better ;)

Doing well, craptacular day in the SSR of NJ - rainy, but I got the Nittally Lions on tonight - BBQ is being primed ;)


How are things in Hoosier Land?

Things are great..who is papa's team playing tonight?

324 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:41:24am

re: #313 ploome hineni

we have not had a live blog, in a long time

That's because we all comment at once and the comments never load!

325 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:41:30am

re: #307 azcon

I can't stand Obama,I think he is dispicable and it kills me to say this but on one hand he says he is in favor of missile defense and on the other he would cut unproven missile defense. 2 different things, no?

He's being "nuanced". Being unclear and sufficiently muddy is a very common tactic.

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:01am

re: #302 Last Mohican

I'm very late to this thread, and everyone has sort of moved on from the Obama video.

But, not to play Obama's advocate or anything, but I think it's possible that the two positions that he takes are not mutually inconsistent. Maybe he supports missile defense systems that are (1) "proven," and (2) not space-based, but he won't support missile defense systems that are unproven or space-based.

You do have a valid point.

/but only if Obama was engaging in rational debate

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:14am

re: #313 ploome hineni

we have not had a live blog, in a long time

Ploome! What is this, if it is not a live blog?

328 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:25am

When you think about it being a mindless follower has some bright spots.

No more annoying reading.
No more bickering lizards.
No more sourcing ideas.
No more defending positions.
No more risk.
No more hard work.
Stop paying all these darn taxes.
Just do what I'm told and follow along. It'll be great!

/Until we run out of food...

329 winston06  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:55am

he is not ready to lead

330 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:57am

re: #321 EIDE_Interface

Slate - Tie Goes to Obama

Go figure ... Slate for Obama?

The aftermath of the debate:

Me too John, I got a bracelet
I agree with John
Kissinger calls Obama on his "misrepresentation" (diplomat speak for lie)
I was against Missile shields before I was for them ...

And no one is an independent. They just don't want to be embarrassed if their candidate looks bad - McCain looked good.

331 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:43:15am

re: #320 doppelganglander
Ah ha! I was a sonar tech. Chased submarines. So that rating you have to be at sea. It was fun though. Sheesh, never thought I'd say that! 72 hour days, freezing my ass off in CIC. Ah, the good old days. No mortgage, kids, all the civilian stuff I have now! :)

332 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:43:50am
333 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:12am

re: #323 HoosierHoops

Things are great..who is papa's team playing tonight?

Illinois - who spanked us last year (some real bad football played). The Lions are better this year.

334 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #321 EIDE_Interface

Slate - Tie Goes to Obama

If Slate says its a tie, that means McCain won.

335 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:30am

re: #330 Celtic Templar

Go figure ... Slate for Obama?

The aftermath of the debate:

Me too John, I got a bracelet
I agree with John
Kissinger calls Obama on his "misrepresentation" (diplomat speak for lie)
I was against Missile shields before I was for them ...

And no one is an independent. They just don't want to be embarrassed if their candidate looks bad - McCain looked good.

If you read Politico.com, Obama wiped the floor with nasty, mean John McCain.

336 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:40am
337 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #284 Charles

Oen's also got to ask if the organisers of that meeting did it with just such an outcome in mind.

After all, the Belgian, Austrian and German members of that 'group' cannot have been unaware of the fact that any neo-nazi meetings in Germany have always been opposed by huge numbers of very vocal but non-violent Germans.

I've been thinking for some time now that this outcome may actually have been calculated to some extent by those organisers.

Gets them into the MSM, see ...

338 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:08am

re: #300 Celtic Templar
Yeah, but if the FBI gets involved, they are gonna be out of work if they try that bullying tactic. Shows how STUPID Obama's campaign is; they shoulda said they'll crack down on anyone who lies about Obama or McCain and then just crack down on the folks who criticise Obama.
BTW, Mo. does have a history of covering up for liars, theives and worse. See, e.g., the James-Younger gang. They'd rob a bank or a train somewhere outside Mo. and the locals would hide 'em. It wasn't until they started robbing banks in - iirc, Clay County, Missouri that the locals took an interest in stopping them.
Nice to see Jesse's "followers" are apparently now in law enforcement - I think he'd like the joke.

339 Last Mohican  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:18am

re: #304 pingjockey

Well that's true. But Obama could argue that he meant that small-scale experiments should be done before big investments are made, or something like that.

Not that I actually believe that's what he meant. I think that, in the first video, he was pandering to his moonbat base, basically saying that he will spend money on food and shelter and cute Guatemalan outfits for poor people, rather than on icky guns and stuff, which do not belong in our beautiful sky. And then the second time, he was trying to appeal instead to rational voters in the general election, who may not wish to be vaporized by North Korean nuclear missiles.

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:20am

re: #336 ploome hineni

Oh. Thanks.

341 opnion  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:51am

re: #333 Celtic Templar

Illinois - who spanked us last year (some real bad football played). The Lions are better this year.

I have my Illini fag flying, but I do like Joe Pa.

342 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:54am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ploome! What is this, if it is not a live blog?

It's words being typed which appear on monitor screens.

How about bowie knives and left wrists strapped together?

/a more meaningful "dialogue"

343 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:54am

re: #335 EIDE_Interface

If you read Politico.com, Obama wiped the floor with nasty, mean John McCain.

Nice - but that is what a debate and post debate commentary is about ... Make the voter not vote. It doesn't really sway anyone's opinion of the platform or the representative now does it? It's an exercise in vanity.

344 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:16am

re: #336 ploome hineni

with a 'guest'......who was the last person we had here, answering questions, etc?

Robert Spencer was on LGF fairly recently.

345 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:26am

re: #332 ploome hineni

Chatty little things, aren't we?

346 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:36am

re: #321 EIDE_Interface

Obama's big test was to help viewers see him as a possible commander in chief. There were a lot of people watching who have never taken such a considered look at the Democratic challenger. He was firm in his beliefs and clear in his views on foreign policy. He performed better than he did on the 40 minutes of economic policy the two men discussed at the start of the debate.

Was this author watching the same debate being discussed here last night?

I didn't watch the debate (dealing with kids schoolwork/bedtime for youngest/etc.) but I ran by the computer every few minutes to update the comments here; and it seemed like McCain did very well on foreign policy, pretty much hammering Obama into the ground with his knowledge.

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:38am

re: #342 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cue the Captain Kirk/Spock fight music.

348 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:51am

re: #315 Dianna

But I want space based systems!

We have a nice two-seater available, but it hasn't been tested above ten feet or so.

349 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:00am

OT: This is unreal.

The City of Los Angeles has decided to go after a guy with a McCain sign for violating the city's signage ordinance. They aren't, it appears, going after Obama signage.

The city claims the sign is too big, but the first amendment should be bigger.

350 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:21am

re: #339 Last Mohican
Pandering....yep works for me. He would gut the military worse than Klintoon. Oh crap...Heckel Beckel on Fox. I could smack that dude about 50 times with a cluebat.

351 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:35am

re: #341 opnion

I have my Illini fag flying, but I do like Joe Pa.

Good luck tonight. Hope we win, but it is finally BIG 10 football being played.

352 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:36am
353 Last Mohican  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:37am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cue the Captain Kirk/Spock fight music.

You mean this?

354 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:40am

re: #337 yma o hyd

Oen's also got to ask if the organisers of that meeting did it with just such an outcome in mind.

After all, the Belgian, Austrian and German members of that 'group' cannot have been unaware of the fact that any neo-nazi meetings in Germany have always been opposed by huge numbers of very vocal but non-violent Germans.

I've been thinking for some time now that this outcome may actually have been calculated to some extent by those organisers.

Gets them into the MSM, see ...

Historically, fascists have been known to play to exactly that- they work at creating violence to create "victims" to justify their reaction to the violence they helped create.

355 azcon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:01am

re: #325 Archimedes

I agree 100%. That's how he can flip flop and deny that he flip flopped...because on the surface it is 2 different things.

356 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:02am

re: #307 azcon

I can't stand Obama,I think he is dispicable and it kills me to say this but on one hand he says he is in favor of missile defense and on the other he would cut unproven missile defense. 2 different things, no?

No.

First of all, he doesn't mean that. Oh sure, he could be trying to be cute, convince the moonbats he means no missile defense, convince the normal people he's just being pragmatic, and hope the two groups never talk to each other. But this is Obama, he has no meaning, he just wants votes. Who knows what he would do in office.

Second of all, it's nonsense. Our "proven" anti-missile technologies are expensive and only marginally effective against even the simplest ballistic threats, and no good at all against others. The Patriots fired against Scuds in Israel in 1991 missed most, possibly damaged a few, and destroyed zero warheads, iirc. They were running completely untested code, that iirc had a timing bug that caused them to drift out of sync with their radars when all had been powered up for a few days. We need another twenty years of technology development against missiles large and small, from RPGs to Long Dongs to evasive camoflaged MIRVs, not to mention cruise missiles subsonic and supersonic.

357 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:09am

re: #349 karmic_inquisitor

OT: This is unreal.

The City of Los Angeles has decided to go after a guy with a McCain sign for violating the city's signage ordinance. They aren't, it appears, going after Obama signage.

The city claims the sign is too big, but the first amendment should be bigger.

LA is Obama-istan.

358 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:22am

re: #328 experiencedtraveller

/Until we run out of food...

*sound of tin cups banging on tables*
Troll
Troll
Troll
Troll
Troll

359 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:34am

re: #341 opnion

I have my Illini fag flying, but I do like Joe Pa.


ahem...
There is nothing i can say without getting deleted...now that was a good typo..I think

360 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:39am

re: #328 experiencedtraveller

When you think about it being a mindless follower has some bright spots.

No more annoying reading.
No more bickering lizards.
No more sourcing ideas.
No more defending positions.
No more risk.
No more hard work.
Stop paying all these darn taxes.
Just do what I'm told and follow along. It'll be great!

/Until we run out of food...

Here! Have some delicious seeds.

361 RTLM  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:46am

Obama doesn't flip flop. He simply blurts out simultaneously held opposing views depending on the group he's pandering to that day.

He's a whore.

362 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:49:38am

re: #297 realwest

The video is legal - just a news broadcast. However, I think it's a violation of Missouri's ethic's laws for LAW ENFORCEMENT to get involved in deciding whether or not what anyone says about Obama is the truth or not.
Indeed, I'd question whether or not it's legal, much less ethical, for members of Mo.'s law enforcement to do this "on company time" so to speak.
The first amendment is pretty damn clear about Free Speech and it most assuredly DOES apply to the GOVERNMENT and the officials of the government, State or Federal.
I expect the ACLU will come out and denounce this program of intimidation by governmental law enforcement officials any day now.
And, please forgive my language here, but IF I were in Missouri and I said something about Obama (like his pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class is a lie - which it is cause he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts lapse, so people making over $45,000 a year WILL be paying higer taxes if Obama wins) and they tried to bully me, I'd just tell them to FUCK OFF.
Did that answer your question?


Yes.
I live in Missouri and I cannot believe that this is reported on in a news broadcast and no one seems to care!

363 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:49:43am

re: #246 Charles

You don't have to support anarchists and Antifa in order to want nothing to do with Le Pen and DeWinter and their cronies. If you're leaning toward the Euro nationalists, you're already falling off that "fence."

There are many different shades of "Euro Nationalism". In some people's eyes Winston Churchill was a "racist" and "fascist".

He believed in the superiority of the English speaking peoples.
He would not have approved of the wholesale takeover of large parts of Britain by Pakistani Muslims with no loyalty to the Crown and an intent to impose sharia on Great Britain. And although I am sure he would not advocate extermination, at the same time I doubt he would shrink from less harsh measures against them that might still be unpalatable to the left and even some here on LGF.

I don't particularly care for DeWinter and especially LePen but I am not happy with what the multiculturalist left has wrought in the USA, the Mother Country and Western Europe, and I don't see a lot of alternatives on the horizon.

Again, Charles, I feel Dr. Bostom has done some great work against the jihad and if you are going to make these accusations against him you need to back them up.

Just my .02 and that's the last I am going to say about the subject.

364 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:49:46am

re: #349 karmic_inquisitor

OT: This is unreal.

The City of Los Angeles has decided to go after a guy with a McCain sign for violating the city's signage ordinance. They aren't, it appears, going after Obama signage.

The city claims the sign is too big, but the first amendment should be bigger.

LA is lefty? I never understood why 1 little voice could scare so many. If you're so sure of your guy, what's the big deal? (rhetorical)

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:25am

re: #331 pingjockey

Ah ha! I was a sonar tech. Chased submarines. So that rating you have to be at sea. It was fun though. Sheesh, never thought I'd say that! 72 hour days, freezing my ass off in CIC. Ah, the good old days. No mortgage, kids, all the civilian stuff I have now! :)

Taking green water over #2 turret
Watching the stately progress of the flattop up ahead
Cursing your luck

366 doppelganglander  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:15am

re: #331 pingjockey

Ah ha! I was a sonar tech. Chased submarines. So that rating you have to be at sea. It was fun though. Sheesh, never thought I'd say that! 72 hour days, freezing my ass off in CIC. Ah, the good old days. No mortgage, kids, all the civilian stuff I have now! :)

I think my husband would have enjoyed the navy more if we hadn't been married at the time. I was really not a great navy wife, and our first two children were born while he was in. In fact, our son enlisted last year and is now training to go into the same rating as his dad. He's hoping for submarines, but he's young and single.

Well, it's been grand, but I my house isn't going to clean itself. Have a glorious Saturday!

367 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:27am

re: #360 debutaunt

Here! Have some delicious seeds.

I was thinking of human milk myself.

/channeling PETA

368 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:54am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cue the Captain Kirk/Spock fight music.

Cue the coroner

369 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:58am

re: #354 Sharmuta

Historically, fascists have been known to play to exactly that- they work at creating violence to create "victims" to justify their reaction to the violence they helped create.

Not just fascists. Any variety of street-agitator wants precisely what you describe.

"Nothing radicalizes so effectively as a crack on the head."

370 Sore Kraut  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:07am

re: #159 Charles

Unfortunately, people tend to identify an author with his work. If Andrew Bostom is about to sabotage/invalidate his research by being unhinged, that’s one thing. Doing it for him by publishing his private e-mail for personal reasons – however understandable that might be – is another.

Please, whatever you do, do it when you’re no longer emotional about it.

371 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:16am

re: #337 yma o hyd

Oen's also got to ask if the organisers of that meeting did it with just such an outcome in mind.

After all, the Belgian, Austrian and German members of that 'group' cannot have been unaware of the fact that any neo-nazi meetings in Germany have always been opposed by huge numbers of very vocal but non-violent Germans.

I've been thinking for some time now that this outcome may actually have been calculated to some extent by those organisers.

Gets them into the MSM, see ...

Absolutely, it was calculated. The 'anti-Islam' people also planned some deliberately provocative events, such as driving a bus with a huge "Stop Islam" banner through Muslim neighborhoods. "Thuggish" is the word for that kind of behavior.

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:35am

I'd like to see Charles do live blogs with a whole bunch of folks.

But, with one little caveat. Pick ten really smart Lizards, with some expertise in the area of which the "guest" is there to talk about, and allow them in the chat.

The rest of us (like me) could just watch. Sometimes rooms are just a little too full for the conversation to flow.

373 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:35am

hey, i just got a lovely photo (color) in the mail of john mccain and sarah palin.
and an envelope for a donation to the campaign. i sent 100 dollars.

374 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:44am

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Oh yeah! Me and the little man, he's 8. Were watching deadliest catch last night and he asked me how do you walk around while the ship is moving like that? Took me a bit to figure an anology he could relate to. I never thought about it. After a week at sea you just go with the motion.

375 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:52am

re: #367 rightymouse

I was thinking of human milk myself.

/channeling PETA

please..a new investment
the hoopster's lazy boob ranch...
/call me ben and jerry..call me!

376 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:53:00am

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Taking green water over #2 turret
Watching the stately progress of the flattop up ahead
Cursing your luck

heh.
Watching the destroyer escort take water over the bridge.
While drinking coffee on the fan tail.
Thinking "those poor sob's" ...

You have my sympathies.

377 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:53:35am

OMG! They're fainting at obambis propaganda show again.

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:53:55am

re: #353 Last Mohican

You mean this?

Yeah. Or this...

379 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:53:57am

re: #375 HoosierHoops

please..a new investment
the hoopster's lazy boob ranch...
/call me ben and jerry..call me!


lol!

Double D ice-cream cones?

380 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #362 Typicalwhitey
Well, in all seriousness - YOU should report this to the following people (in writing, snail mail and e-mail and print out copies of your e-mails) the FEC, the FBI, the TV News station and the McCain Campaign Committe - title or make the subject of each one "VOTER INTIMIDATION AGAINST McCAIN".
I'm very serious about this.
And just for laughs, send a copy to the Mo. ACLU!

381 azcon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:54:18am

re: #356 itellu3times
Thanks, that is the kind response (to my question) I was hoping for.

382 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:54:25am

re: #363 Colonel Panik

Again, Charles, I feel Dr. Bostom has done some great work against the jihad and if you are going to make these accusations against him you need to back them up.

What "accusations" am I making? Andrew Bostom is on the side of those who want to join forces with European fascists. It's a fact.

It sounds like you're in favor of that too, so why would you doubt it?

383 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:54:52am

re: #353 Last Mohican

You mean this?

That was also the music used when Kirk was seducing the local alien hotties.

384 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:55:03am

re: #376 jwb7605
Yeah. But when we pull into port there are only 300 of us going ashore, not 4000+! Heh.

385 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:55:40am

Obama campaigning in NC - we can't bail out Wall Street without bailing out homeowners struggling to stay in their homes. Sure, Barry, it's not bad enough without you redistributing the wealth further.

386 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #380 realwest

Thank you!
I will do that TODAY!

387 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:07am

re: #376 jwb7605

heh.
Watching the destroyer escort take water over the bridge.
While drinking coffee on the fan tail.
Thinking "those poor sob's" ...

You have my sympathies.

The sympathies should go to pingjockey.

/I will wisely refrain from further commentary ... tin can sailors have a reputation for being able to shoot with those guns

388 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:11am

re: #378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. Or this...

LOL --- thanks for the laugh. :D

389 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:17am

re: #384 pingjockey

Yeah. But when we pull into port there are only 300 of us going ashore, not 4000+! Heh.

Ok, in those cases the thought was "you poor sob's"
heh.

390 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:31am

I only caught some of the debate last night, but what I observed gave me pause. I know most of us are in McCain's corner. And when it comes to substance, I think McCain did well. But Lizard Nation is more informed than the vast majority of the country. So the things that we took away from the debate are not necessarily the same things that the other 80% of Americans took away. Obama did better than I wanted him to do. As a student of the media and a member of the media for 30+ years, I can tell you that style frequently trumps substance. Obama did not kill himself in last night's performance. In fact, he succeeded. It is helpful to use history as a guide when it comes to debates. In college, we picked apart the 1960 Kennedy/Nixon debate. We watched it on videotape and we listened to the way it sounded on radio. In the audio only (radio) version, Nixon sounded like the winner due to a better mastery of the facts and issues. But in the audio and video (TV) version, Kennedy was the clear winner due to better physical characteristics that masked his shortcomings in other areas. And we know who is considered the "winner" of that debate. So before we start celebrating some sort of victory by McCain, we should remember history and understand that the vast majority of voters have a very superficial outlook on these things. In my opinion, Obama did no worse than a "draw." And McCain's campaign has a lot of work to do.

391 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #363 Colonel Panik You've been registered long enough to be familiar with the wars being raged against fascism by Charles and LGF. Indeed, Charles has done - with the help of other LGFer's - enormous amounts of research about the resurgent White Nationalists, Le Pen, and the like.
For you to state " Charles, I feel Dr. Bostom has done some great work against the jihad and if you are going to make these accusations against him you need to back them up." Is disingenuous at best.

392 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:58:00am

re: #367 rightymouse

I was thinking of human milk myself.

/channeling PETA

Human milk and some crop seeds.

393 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:59:10am

re: #384 pingjockey

Yeah. But when we pull into port there are only 300 of us going ashore, not 4000+! Heh.

You did not need to remind jwb7605 and I about the two sets of prices! ARRGH!

394 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:59:28am

re: #385 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Obama campaigning in NC - we can't bail out Wall Street without bailing out homeowners struggling to stay in their homes. Sure, Barry, it's not bad enough without you redistributing the wealth further.

Fine, don't bail anyone out then. Wall Street will recover. Warren Buffet put $5 billion on that.

395 rightymouse  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:00:07am

Must go dress and grocery shopping now. Have been procrastinating.

On the Dr. Bostom issue - it's very sad to see Europe slide into binary thinking ideologically. It's not as though they don't have history to show the wrongness of their past ideological mistakes - ones that they seem so willing to repeat. I fear we'll be cleaning up their mess yet again.

Ciao.

396 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:00:36am

re: #386 Typicalwhitey
That's just GREAT! If you want to, please feel free to e-mail me (or better yet post out here) the responses you get!

397 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:00am

re: #391 realwest

I think it's badly phrased; the col. may not have followed (or remember?) how emphatically Bostom went after Charles and LGF last year.

I remember being pretty shocked.

398 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:21am

re: #385 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Obama campaigning in NC - we can't bail out Wall Street without bailing out homeowners struggling to stay in their homes. Sure, Barry, it's not bad enough without you redistributing the wealth further.

ACORN is in line to receive a big chunk of the bailout.

399 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:45am

re: #387 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Very wise of you. However, I did talk to some recon marines we had on board and they do miss the battleships. A 5in gun has a shell that weighs about 70 lbs. The lightest shell a BB shoots is 1800lbs...At an effective range of 20 miles!

400 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:02:28am

re: #389 jwb7605 Mwhahaha!

401 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:02:57am
402 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:03:32am

re: #384 pingjockey

Yeah. But when we pull into port there are only 300 of us going ashore, not 4000+! Heh.

On the other hand, when one wanted to bring something really large back ....

(One cruise, there was a blinking BOAT at the rear of hangar bay 3!)

403 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:03:41am

re: #393 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Of course I did! Goddamn carriers! BBL, the little man would like to play!

404 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:18am

My wife expects me to do weekend things, so I gotta go and become a "mindless follower."

405 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:24am

re: #402 pre-Boomer Marine brat
A boat?! That is mad. Later folks.

406 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:32am

re: #394 cliffster

Fine, don't bail anyone out then. Wall Street will recover. Warren Buffet put $5 billion on that.

Pension plans and 401(k)s and other conservative investments are in Fannie and Freddie. Bail it out.

Then break it up.

407 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:32am

re: #390 _RememberTonyC

Kennedy needed to use a corrupt voting system to win.

408 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:34am
409 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:39am

Depends on what your definition of "unproven" is.

If this has already been posted so be it - I don't have the time to read trhough 400 posts just to see...

410 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #401 ploome hineni

was it a mistake to align with Stalin to defeat the Nazis?

Do you think the Soviets would have partnered with the Allies had hitler kept his non-aggression pact with them?

411 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:50am

re: #401 ploome hineni

was it a mistake to align with Stalin to defeat the Nazis?

Good question, maybe so ... if we let Germany and Russia kill each other? Something to think about. But this isn't comparable.

412 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:05:00am

re: #398 debutaunt

ACORN is in line to receive a big chunk of the bailout.

No, Kudlow reports ACORN is out.

413 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:05:40am

re: #11 The Other Les

The clothes has no emperor!


LOL !

414 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:05:46am

re: #360 debutaunt

Here! Have some delicious seeds.

Planting seeds and growing crops is clearly beyond the mindless follower requirements.

I'll just wait. Somebody will do something, right?

415 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:05:49am

re: #399 pingjockey

Very
wise of you. However, I did talk to some recon marines we had on board
and they do miss the battleships. A 5in gun has a shell that weighs
about 70 lbs. The lightest shell a BB shoots is 1800lbs...At an
effective range of 20 miles!

I loved visiting the U.S.S. New Jersey & knowing that if need be, she could simultaneously shell Trenton & Dover, Delaware.

416 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:06:18am

re: #407 debutaunt

Kennedy needed to use a corrupt voting system to win.

they stole illinois. corrupt chicago. barry's hometown thugs.

417 Steffan  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:06:20am

re: #105 Charles

I may publish Bostom's emails, so people can see what he's like behind the scenes when he isn't writing lengthy anti-Islam articles.

I'd suggest that you do so. Cockroaches hate the light.

418 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:06:32am

re: #390 _RememberTonyC

I only caught some of the debate last night, but what I observed gave me pause. I know most of us are in McCain's corner. And when it comes to substance, I think McCain did well. But Lizard Nation is more informed than the vast majority of the country. So the things that we took away from the debate are not necessarily the same things that the other 80% of Americans took away. Obama did better than I wanted him to do. As a student of the media and a member of the media for 30+ years, I can tell you that style frequently trumps substance.

Yes, true.


Obama did not kill himself in last night's performance. In fact, he succeeded. It is helpful to use history as a guide when it comes to debates. In college, we picked apart the 1960 Kennedy/Nixon debate. We watched it on videotape and we listened to the way it sounded on radio. In the audio only (radio) version, Nixon sounded like the winner due to a better mastery of the facts and issues. But in the audio and video (TV) version, Kennedy was the clear winner due to better physical characteristics that masked his shortcomings in other areas. And we know who is considered the "winner" of that debate. So before we start celebrating some sort of victory by McCain, we should remember history and understand that the vast majority of voters have a very superficial outlook on these things. In my opinion, Obama did no worse than a "draw." And McCain's campaign has a lot of work to do.

Debates are strange things. What is the criterion for winning? For me the criterion is the better argument in consonance with the facts. But for most people it is who swayed more people to their side.

419 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:06:42am

re: #415 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I loved visiting the U.S.S. New Jersey & knowing that if need be, she could simultaneously shell Trenton & Dover, Delaware.

Let me know first so I can high tail it to the Poconos -

420 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:07:45am
421 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:07:45am

re: #317 Noam Sayin'

Yes, I know. I've been stalking you for years.
bwahahahaha

/s

422 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:07:51am

If Little O had been Pinocchio last night, his nose would have been bigger than his ears by the end of the debate, and that's saying something.

423 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:01am

re: #399 pingjockey

Very wise of you. However, I did talk to some recon marines we had on board and they do miss the battleships. A 5in gun has a shell that weighs about 70 lbs. The lightest shell a BB shoots is 1800lbs...At an effective range of 20 miles!

True. Problem though, is accuracy. We threw a lot of ordinance at the islands of the Pacific in WWII, but the Japs seemed to survive.

424 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:08am

re: #401 ploome hineni

was it a mistake to align with Stalin to defeat the Nazis?

These are neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups, ploome. Le Pen is a disgustingly antisemitic dirtbag. The Vlaams Belang was started by Third Reich collaborators. The other groups in this thing are just as bad.

I'm surprised at you.

425 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #419 Celtic Templar

Let me know first so I can high tail it to the Poconos -

You people send Lautenberg back to the Senate & it may happen. ;)

426 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:24am

re: #11 The Other Les

The clothes has no emperor!

Rotating title nomination.

427 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:28am

re: #401 ploome hineni

was it a mistake to align with Stalin to defeat the Nazis?

We're no where near that point. More, we're trying to avoid ever getting to that point. And letting supremacists do the fighting - or allying with them while holding our noses - is just going to lead to even more bad things down the road.

It would have been better never, ever to have had to ally with the Soviets.

We thrashed all this out last year. I don't really want to fight about it again. I want to start thinking about moving forward.

Of course, to do that, first we've got to make sure we elect McCain.

Sigh.

428 Cutting Edge  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:43am

re: #182 cblesz

It would behoove the McCain camp to get thier facts straight regarding who is to blame for the financial crisis (Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Obama), their Fannie and Freddie connections, the CRA and how McCain tried to bring more oversight through legislation that was not even voted on because of the Dems. Hopefully, they will talk about this or Palin will have it covered thoroughly Thursday.
The general public thinks this is the Republicans fault simply because CBS, NBC,CNN etc. say it is. Simply because Bush is President. It is sickening.

Cblez,


I completely agree with you post. The record shows this financial crisis is a Demonrat Party mess from the very beginning.

The facts should be known by heart by every Republican candidate to the House, Senate and by Palin and McCain and repeated every day,everywhere --with names and dates-- until the voters learn the truth also.


"It's the economy, stupid". Clinton already taught this lesson to the Republicans.

The election will be won or lost on the economy.

CE

429 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:57am

re: #418 Archimedes

Debates are strange things. What is the criterion for winning? For me the criterion is the better argument in consonance with the facts. But for most people it is who swayed more people to their side.

Not comparable. We know both of these guys positions pretty well - even some of the lay people do, the so called independents. 1960 did not have the internet or cable. The debates were a source of information about the candidates unparalleled. Now - you won't win a debate, you can only lose it with a gaffe that embarrasses a voter to stay home.

430 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #18 doppelganglander

They expect him to lie to capture ....

A tactic wholly approved of by the RoP.

431 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:16am

re: #371 Charles

Absolutely, it was calculated. The 'anti-Islam' people also planned some deliberately provocative events, such as driving a bus with a huge "Stop Islam" banner through Muslim neighborhoods. "Thuggish" is the word for that kind of behavior.

For all of the puffery that creates perceptions to the contrary, Europe is a very segregated place with plenty of ghettos where different ethnic/religious groups find themselves having to live.

"Marching Season" is an annual part of Northern Ireland's ongoing antaogonism and intimidation cycle where protestant bands march through catholic neighborhoods. No doubt this was an attempt to mock that.

European elits paint a picture of ethnic and cultural harmony there and of racism and hatred here. It makes them feel like they have accomplished yet one more thing that they haven't. yet we have a black guy running for president and I have yet to see a black, asian, muslim or jew run for head of state of any of the EU member states.

Those who know Europe know that the anti-jihad movement there is every bit as much about ethnic supremacism and nationalism as about exercise of rights to apostasy.

432 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:17am

re: #408 ploome hineni

where was this?

Man...last year. About October? A very nasty article Bostom published.

433 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:31am
434 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:40am

re: #425 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You people send Lautenberg back to the Senate & it may happen. ;)

We're trying - and if you looked at RCP, there is progress, not enough ... but you can't fault the effort.

435 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:43am

re: #416 nyc redneck
They also bought off WV. Giving money to the coal miners.
In the 2000 election, dems in MO were giving booze and cigs to the homeless to drag them into vote. My daughter witnessed this.

436 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:46am

re: #424 Charles

These are neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups, ploome. Le Pen is a disgustingly antisemitic dirtbag. The Vlaams Belang was started by Third Reich collaborators. The other groups in this thing are just as bad.

I'm surprised at you.

I am not.

437 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:47am

re: #406 Dianna

Pension plans and 401(k)s and other conservative investments are in Fannie and Freddie. Bail it out.

Then break it up.

And get the feds out of the mortgage business altogether. If you want a house, save your money, and when you can, buy a house you can afford.

438 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:10:36am

OT A friend just e-mailed this link to me. Kathleen Parker, who writes for the National Review, thinks Sarah should bow out:

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

WTF?

439 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:03am

re: #397 Dianna

I think it's badly phrased; the col. may not have followed (or remember?) how emphatically Bostom went after Charles and LGF last year.

I remember being pretty shocked.


Thank you Diana.

No, I was not aware that Bostom attacked LGF and Charles last year. Of course I was aware of the falling out with GoV, Pamela, etc, but I was not aware of any issues with Bostom. There was a lot going in in that dustup, and unlike some people who seem to be able to live 24 hours a day in the blogosphere, I have to make a living in the real world so I was not aware of every aspect of it.

440 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:18am

re: #420 ploome hineni

both the nazis and the communists are without honor, and would turn on a (convenient) ally in a second

I think you've answered why we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past.

441 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:44am

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Taking green water over #2 turret
Watching the stately progress of the flattop up ahead
Cursing your luck

At the end of my first Med cruise on the Forrestal, we went up into the North Sea for some ASW ops with the Spruance-class tin can Radford. It was October and we were taking 4 degree rolls and water on the flight deck in the troughs. The Radford spent half her time playing submarine. I didn't envy those guys at all. But I did remember why I didn't mind being on a carrier.

442 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:13:09am

Sorry all y'all but I gotta leave - someone just sent me an e-mail which has totally corrupted my e-mail system.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

443 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:13:52am

re: #437 cliffster

And get the feds out of the mortgage business altogether. If you want a house, save your money, and when you can, buy a house you can afford.

Absolutely!

444 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:14:08am

re: #438 Pvt Bin Jammin

OT A friend just e-mailed this link to me. Kathleen Parker, who writes for the National Review, thinks Sarah should bow out:

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

WTF?

I respect Parker immensely, but I think she's looking for "the best of all possible worlds" on this one.

445 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:14:39am

re: #429 Celtic Templar

Not comparable. We know both of these guys positions pretty well - even some of the lay people do, the so called independents. 1960 did not have the internet or cable. The debates were a source of information about the candidates unparalleled. Now - you won't win a debate, you can only lose it with a gaffe that embarrasses a voter to stay home.

That's an excellent point. Also, people today are much more savvy to television and appearances.

446 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:15:55am

re: #444 pre-Boomer Marine brat

According to the friend who sent the link, all of the lib rags are reprinting it. We don't need this.

447 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:15:56am

re: #438 Pvt Bin Jammin

I was surprised to see that in the NRO.

448 Celtic Templar  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:16:06am

re: #438 Pvt Bin Jammin

OT A friend just e-mailed this link to me. Kathleen Parker, who writes for the National Review, thinks Sarah should bow out:

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

WTF?

I read it and agree so far ... however the interviews are crap. Palin did well on Hannity (go figure), but Couric and Gibson were out for blood. Those were no-win interviews, that really didn't cost her much, imo.

449 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:21am

re: #448 Celtic Templar

Couric and Gibson were definately out for blood. Let's just pray she does well in the debates.

450 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:33am

re: #59 Sizzlack

Was it me or did anyone else notice Obama trying to suggest he warned the White House about Russia before they invaded Georgia? He then seemed to go on to suggest that had the White House listened to what he had to say that there may never have been an invasion. WHAT? Am I crazy? Is he somehow trying to suggest that had someone listened to him (he was talking about Russia?) that we could have avoided that conflict?

I noticed it and commented on it on one of last night's threads. The balls this guy has to lie like that and hope nobody notices...well, nobody in the MSM, that is.

451 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:19:02am

Well, we've got a hurricane headed this way, so I need to go make preparations...
Oh wait - what was I thinking? I'll just sit here and do nothing and bitch until FEMA shows up to bail out my basement, clean up my yard, fuel my generator and serve me cookies and milk so I can complain loudly while they do it.

452 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #441 I Need A Bigger Gun

At the end of my first Med cruise on the Forrestal, we went up into the North Sea for some ASW ops with the Spruance-class tin can Radford. It was October and we were taking 4 degree rolls and water on the flight deck in the troughs. The Radford spent half her time playing submarine. I didn't envy those guys at all. But I did remember why I didn't mind being on a carrier.

I know what you mean. Don't know what else he was on, but jwb7605 and I were on the Hancock, a few years apart. I remember seeing water coming over the forward end of the flight deck.

/also remember that "periscope" behind us ... SHEESH, poor guys!

453 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:19:52am

the problem w/ the nazis is they are getting a lot more use out of us than we are getting out of them.
by aligning w/ them they get a quasi legitimacy abt. who they are. and this gives them power and a foot hold into mainstream society.

how have they really helped us? we get a black eye at this point from associating w/ them and we look desperate that we would even need them.
we do NOT need these brutes for 'foot shoulders'. send them packing.
(this kind of alliance always gets ugly)

454 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:20:06am

Speaking of Obama flip-flopping, I noticed this yesterday. I think these phrases are from two consecutive sentences. I haven't bothered to check the transcripts.

#508 David IV of Georgia 9/26/2008 7:11:43 pm PDT

"No preconditions..."
"Of my choosing..."

Which is it Barry? You just said two opposites.

455 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:20:28am
456 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:20:35am

re: #412 Dianna

No, Kudlow reports ACORN is out.

Excellent news! I was distressed that the one of the creators of this mess would reap a huge benefit.

457 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:21:16am

re: #435 newsjunkie_ky

They also bought off WV. Giving money to the coal miners.
In the 2000 election, dems in MO were giving booze and cigs to the homeless to drag them into vote. My daughter witnessed this.

fckers. despicable.

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:21:33am

re: #446 Pvt Bin Jammin

According to the friend who sent the link, all of the lib rags are reprinting it. We don't need this.

I'm not at all surprised that they're reprinting it. KP has eaten them for lunch for years.

459 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:21:59am

re: #414 experiencedtraveller

Planting seeds and growing crops is clearly beyond the mindless follower requirements.

I'll just wait. Somebody will do something, right?

I expect they will eat the seeds rather than planting.

460 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:08am

real are you still here?

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:48am

re: #456 debutaunt

McCain should be using the attempt to make hay!

462 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:58am

re: #449 Pvt Bin Jammin

Couric and Gibson were definately out for blood. Let's just pray she does well in the debates.

Palin will do fine.

She effuses the optimistic and the "can do" spirit that made this country great. Biden is a pessimistic and long winded bloviator who represents all the "can't do" spirit that weakens us.

463 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:24:03am

re: #446 Pvt Bin Jammin

It's idiotic, and I can't think what's the matter with Parker.

464 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:24:26am

re: #455 ploome hineni

the neo-nazis are a joke...redicule them, but do not abandon the people in Europe who seem to be the only ones willing to defend our civilization

That is completely wrong. Americans have done more to defend our civilization than the europeans have. We've had to practically drag them kicking and screaming to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan. That was really a cheap shot at American men and women who have died defending our way of life, and to the men and women who have bled defending our way of life. If the europeans had their way- they'd still be getting kickbacks from oil for food.

465 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:07am

re: #448 Celtic Templar

I read it and agree so far ... however the interviews are crap. Palin did well on Hannity (go figure), but Couric and Gibson were out for blood. Those were no-win interviews, that really didn't cost her much, imo.

I haven't read anything by Kathleen Parker lately, but it sounds like she's taking the financial crisis really hard. Her column is "single issue". I respectfully (to her, whom I've exchanged e-mails with) but firmly disagree.

466 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:17am

crap,
foot shoulders=foot soldiers .
lol

467 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #401 ploome hineni

was it a mistake to align with Stalin to defeat the Nazis?

A cold war that lasted over 40 years and resulted in million upon millions of deaths. Yes it was a very bad decision. The allies would have eventually won without Stalin, so yes it was a mistake.

468 wiffersnapper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:27:29am

I flip flop, therefore I am.

469 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:27:34am

re: #462 Syrah

re: #463 Dianna

I have to admit I am really ticked off with Parker right now. Even if Sarah did bail out I think it's kind of late for McCain to get up any steam with a new running mate.

I pray that you're right, Syrah, I really like Palin.

470 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:28:22am

re: #467 doriangrey

A cold war that lasted over 40 years and resulted in million upon millions of deaths. Yes it was a very bad decision. The allies would have eventually won without Stalin, so yes it was a mistake.

Well, actually, no, they wouldn't have.

Because the allies had left it much too late. Even the US would have been hard-pressed - facing both Germany and Japan - to do more than preserve the freedom of our hemisphere.

The disastrous mistake was letting the situation deteriorate to the point where Stalin's Russia was necessary.

471 imtoast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:28:53am

re: #57 Sharmuta

I walked out of the room, I'd had enough! My husband kept telling me to shut up anyway. Came here instead.

472 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:29:00am

re: #456 debutaunt

Excellent news! I was distressed that the one of the creators of this mess would reap a huge benefit.

i heard him on the radio this morning and he said acorn is out of luck.
i hope it's so.

473 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:29:01am

re: #455 ploome hineni

the neo-nazis are a joke...redicule them, but do not abandon the people in Europe who seem to be the only ones willing to defend our civilization

Sorry, but I'm not going to be associated with people who hang out with Le Pen and DeWinter.

And this isn't because I'm some great paragon of morality, either. If I don't dive into a sewer, does that mean I'm trying to be cleaner than everyone else?

Refusing to hang out with white nationalists is a pretty simple choice to make.

474 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:30:26am
475 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:32:36am

re: #463 Dianna

It's idiotic, and I can't think what's the matter with Parker.


I think parker should bow out.

476 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:32:52am
477 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:32:59am

re: #473 Charles

Sorry, but I'm not going to be associated with people who hang out with Le Pen and DeWinter.

And this isn't because I'm some great paragon of morality, either. If I don't dive into a sewer, does that mean I'm trying to be cleaner than everyone else?

Refusing to hang out with white nationalists is a pretty simple choice to make.


I agree with you on this one. And being a paragon of virtue is a good thing, btw.

478 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:34:54am

re: #152 pingjockey

I was a teacher for 3 years, navy electronics. This barry dude has no delivery. He is slow, ponderous, to many unforced errs' etc...No public speaker since RWR has been able to hold my attention.

Hey ping, when and where did you teach? I did a three year gig at
S.S.C. Orlando, Nov. '80 to Nov. '83, between carrier duty and tender duty.

479 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:08am

re: #475 newsjunkie_ky

I think parker should bow out.

Amen to that. I think I'll write her a strong letter. She certainly isn't helping McCain, IMHO.

480 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:14am
481 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:53am

re: #469 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #463 Dianna

I have to admit I am really ticked off with Parker right now. Even if Sarah did bail out I think it's kind of late for McCain to get up any steam with a new running mate.

I pray that you're right, Syrah, I really like Palin.

Palin is good. She reminds people of what they like about being Americans. Its also why the lefties hate her so much. She reminds them of how unneeded they are.

Debates are about impressions. I think that the great undecided middle is more influenced by emotional triggers then by intellectual ones.

Palin is an ace. Biden is a wet blanket.

If the race were dependent on the Veeps, we would be sailing close hauled in a good wind.

482 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:55am

re: #475 newsjunkie_ky

I think parker should bow out.

Very good!

483 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:36:04am

re: #473 Charles

Sorry, but I'm not going to be associated with people who hang out with Le Pen and DeWinter.

And this isn't because I'm some great paragon of morality, either. If I don't dive into a sewer, does that mean I'm trying to be cleaner than everyone else?

Refusing to hang out with white nationalists is a pretty simple choice to make.

Start here and scroll down. Go upthread too. Plenty of rope lying around.

The mask has slipped yet again

484 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:36:39am

re: #467 doriangrey

A cold war that lasted over 40 years and resulted in million upon millions of deaths. Yes it was a very bad decision. The allies would have eventually won without Stalin, so yes it was a mistake.

With respect, it's not as simple as us (the US and Britain) making a decision, out of the blue, to ally with Stalin's Russia. In a very real sense, Hitler made that decision for us by attacking the Soviets.

485 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:36:44am

re: #463 Dianna

It's idiotic, and I can't think what's the matter with Parker.

She's giving up on Palin way too quickly. I admit to having some of the same thoughts after having heard those interviews (has she read Bastiat, von Mises, or Hazlitt?), but I've seen her give brilliant and captivating speeches too. So, we'll have to see how this things play out. Give her a chance.

486 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:02am
487 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:25am

re: #470 Dianna

Well, actually, no, they wouldn't have.

Because the allies had left it much too late. Even the US would have been hard-pressed - facing both Germany and Japan - to do more than preserve the freedom of our hemisphere.

The disastrous mistake was letting the situation deteriorate to the point where Stalin's Russia was necessary.

I am sorry, but you are mistaken. Once Germany attacked Russia Hitler had bitten off more than he could chew. The allies did not have to ally themselves with Stalin, it was a foolish mistake made by desperate men. Sun Tzu was right, let your enemies fight amongst themselves, they will wear themselves out. The Russians were not our allies when Hitler turned on Stalin, and once he did that any possibility of Germany surviving was over.

The problem was that Roosevelt and Churchill wanted an extra insurance policy. They did what many in Europe are trying to do today. They made a deal with the devil. Nobody ever dances with the devil without getting burned. To quote WOPR... "the only winning move is not to play"

488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:50am

I am frankly looking forward to the Biden/Palin debates. I am confident that she'll do fine.

489 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:40:31am

re: #469 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #463 Dianna

I have to admit I am really ticked off with Parker right now. Even if Sarah did bail out I think it's kind of late for McCain to get up any steam with a new running mate.

I pray that you're right, Syrah, I really like Palin.

Submitted as data for you re Kathleen Parker, her columns, posted at Jewish World Review.

I've only read one, but she does take issue with Palin as a VP pick.

I think she's wrong, and don't know where in the heck her head is at on this one.

490 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:41:28am
491 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:41:30am

the nazis are a "joke" and we have to keep them a joke by not aligning ourselves w/ them and giving them legitimacy. we must find better allies in europe.
nazi scum will eventually turn on their hosts as they gain power.
islamic radicals were a bunch of laughable bearded weirdos until they killed 3000 people in a single morning. we already have evidence on the nazis.

nazis hate jews. maybe they have moved annihilating them further down on the list but that plan is still on the list.

492 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:41:49am

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am frankly looking forward to the Biden/Palin debates. I am confident that she'll do fine.

I hope so. She seems to do better when she's not giving scripted answers. I think she will do well with an unscripted give-and-take with Sen. Biden.

493 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:25am

re: #487 doriangrey

I am sorry, but you are mistaken. Once Germany attacked Russia Hitler had bitten off more than he could chew. The allies did not have to ally themselves with Stalin, it was a foolish mistake made by desperate men. Sun Tzu was right, let your enemies fight amongst themselves, they will wear themselves out. The Russians were not our allies when Hitler turned on Stalin, and once he did that any possibility of Germany surviving was over.

The problem was that Roosevelt and Churchill wanted an extra insurance policy. They did what many in Europe are trying to do today. They made a deal with the devil. Nobody ever dances with the devil without getting burned. To quote WOPR... "the only winning move is not to play"

I must disagree.

However, your interpretation is a currently popular revisionist one, and - though I think it ignores the synergy between Germany and Japan - it has some arguments in its favor.

Unfortunately, it's 10:35 here, and I haven't done a blessed thing around the house, and must start.

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:42am

re: #475 newsjunkie_ky

I think parker should bow out.

Naw, she's been a damned valuable voice on other things.

/see my others here -- she's overreacting re Palin

495 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:51am

re: #491 nyc redneck

No need to accept the crocodile's offer of a ride.

496 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:43:15am

re: #492 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I hope so. She seems to do better when she's not giving scripted answers. I think she will do well with an unscripted give-and-take with Sen. Biden.

I think she's going to have to prove her self at this point. Nobody can stand on her two feet for her.

497 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:44:17am

I just firmly planted my McCain/Palin sign in the front yard right next to my flagpole. Let's see how long it lasts. A guy picking up yard signs told me that this is his second batch. His were removed/stolen within a week. His neighbor across the street, same thing. So they keep getting more and putting them up. We agreed that Libs allow freedom of speech but only if it's their speech.

498 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:45:25am

re: #484 pre-Boomer Marine brat

With respect, it's not as simple as us (the US and Britain) making a decision, out of the blue, to ally with Stalin's Russia. In a very real sense, Hitler made that decision for us by attacking the Soviets.

You are right, it was not simple and Hitler did play a role. We however did not have to ally with Russia. Hitler's plans were ill conceived and disastrously executed.

499 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:45:27am
500 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #496 Archimedes

I think she's going to have to prove her self at this point. Nobody can stand on her two feet for her.

I was hoping McCain would really go after Obama last night, but he was incredibly laid back. I'd like to see some of this pitbull action Gov. Palin talks about.

501 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:46:04am

re: #486 ploome hineni

Brockmann is a &@^#$%$^#@ Sandinista!

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:08am

re: #495 Who Watches the Watchmen?

No need to accept the crocodile's offer of a ride.


"Your story's so touching, but sounds just like lies

503 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:48:01am

re: #487 doriangrey

Yes, dancing with the devil is a valid point.

I would, however, submit (with respect) that today is Monday Morning.

504 MPH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:48:07am

I swear I heard Obama say we were better off with Saddam in power - keeping a balance in the middle east.

505 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:28am

re: #493 Dianna

I must disagree.

However, your interpretation is a currently popular revisionist one, and - though I think it ignores the synergy between Germany and Japan - it has some arguments in its favor.

Unfortunately, it's 10:35 here, and I haven't done a blessed thing around the house, and must start.

There are a few things to be done around here too. I'll send my address.

/heh
*ducking*

506 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:37am

re: #503 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, dancing with the devil is a valid point.

I would, however, submit (with respect) that today is Monday Morning.

Oh crap..... And here I am at home on the computer and drinking beer when I should be at work....... /;P

507 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:22am

re: #491 nyc redneck

the nazis are a "joke" and we have to keep them a joke by not aligning ourselves w/ them and giving them legitimacy. we must find better allies in europe.
nazi scum will eventually turn on their hosts as they gain power.
islamic radicals were a bunch of laughable bearded weirdos until they killed 3000 people in a single morning. we already have evidence on the nazis.

nazis hate jews. maybe they have moved annihilating them further down on the list but that plan is still on the list.

Not just Jews, but anyone who is of the "other". They are ethnic purity cults at their core. Ethnicity is their god. Anyone who is of the "other", or even worse, mixed with the "other" is devil and must be killed.

How those freaks imagine that they can form alliances with the ethnicity cultist of "others" is beyond me. It flies in the face of their very essence. They will all inevitably blow up in rancorous hatred like the Independence, Tradition and Sovereignty (ITS) group did in November of 2007.

508 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:27am

re: #486 ploome hineni

................and more on the Amahandjob dinner

A spokeswoman for d'Escoto, Brenda Vongova, said there would be no official comment on his participation at the dinner.

Why not?

509 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:30am

re: #428 Cutting Edge

I believe it was in response to the cries from Jackson or Sharpton (or both) and maybe Charlie Rangle (?) that minorities have no access to the "American Dream" (home ownership) not to mention ACORN and up the chain to Frank and Dodd etc. It does not excuse those that were derelict in their duty for not protecting citizens from being financially raped.At least McCain started warning years ago of what was coming. How the hell can one not acknowledge this (McCain) ? What does it say about the character of a (any) man that can stand there and blatantly lie to the American public like this ? There is NO doubt McCain was doing this - its a matter of record. He should be commended for bringing attention to the problem. I expect the campaign people and party hacks to say whatever but a candidate for POTUS that knows McCain, knows of his warnings...jeeesh. I could even see Obama not bringing the subject up, which is one thing, but to outright lie cynically knowing that most people won't take the time to fact check his a**, well to me, it is beyond sad. "Politics" is not enough to explain it away. It should cause a man to become tongue tied while in the act of saying the things he (Obama) said about McCain last night (as pertaining to the this economic mess).
** FOX is about to do a expose on ACORN - its 1:50pm EST - in commercail break right now.

510 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #507 Syrah


How those freaks imagine that they can form alliances with the ethnicity cultist of "others" is beyond me. It flies in the face of their very essence. .

It's fear, pure and simple. They see a very bad thing coming and are afraid that they cannot deal with it on their own and seek any refuge, even imaginary, from the coming storm.

511 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:27am
512 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:53am

Dude, get backto Lens Crafters or Pearl Vision QUICK !

(James Terry on FOX News - ACORN)

513 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:57:15am

re: #498 doriangrey

You are right, it was not simple and Hitler did play a role. We however did not have to ally with Russia. Hitler's plans were ill conceived and disastrously executed.

Very true, and I read your other post.

I never studied the Eastern Front, but I do know that Russia diverted an enormous amount of resources from the west and North Africa. For example, a lack of supplies was the root cause of Rommel's defeat. (1) Much of those supplies were diverted to Russia, and (2) the Brits built up their strike force on Malta. Malta could have been nullified by by the Italian Navy, but the Italian Fleet couldn't sail because Germany wasn't giving it fuel. (Russia, again.)

/complex set of circumstances

514 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:16am

re: #510 doriangrey

It's fear, pure and simple. They see a very bad thing coming and are afraid that they cannot deal with it on their own and seek any refuge, even imaginary, from the coming storm.

My big worry is that they will, or someone will, create a cult based on the Pan European ethnicity, much in the same way that Hitler's and Saddam's cult was "pan German" and "Pan Arab".

As long as they divide themselves narrowly, we are relatively safe, but when they divide themselves broadly, things can get dicey.

515 alan2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:19am

Charles said "

If I was so off-base to blow the whistle on DeWinter and his pals, why did tens of thousands of Europeans show up to protest against them? Did I brainwash all of them too?

Two questions from this discussion:

1. There are millions of Europeans who hate western civilization - does it not make sense that some small percentage of them could have been among this crowd or are they pure because they opposed this event.

2. Given that there were radical muslim activists among the groups supporting the counter demonstration, Charles, do you forswear any support of this side too?

516 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:13am

re: #260 lifeofthemind

We should use being a military instructor as a route to a teaching credential. Not only would it get thousands of good teachers into the schools but it would cut back the truly dangerous influence of the Columbia Teacher's College and like minded institutions. Of course some subject matter training would be needed in addition but that is usually overstated. Teacher training is a form of Barber College.

My three years of instructor duty earned me a lifetime teaching credential from San Diego Community College (they took over teaching duties at the electronics school at S.S.C. Orlando for a few years prior to the base being shut down; I taught for them for two years after I got out).

517 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:22am

re: #506 doriangrey

Oh crap..... And here I am at home on the computer and drinking beer when I should be at work....... /;P

METAPHORICALLY!
Sheesh, talk about a mindless follower!

/*grin* ... in case you were late here, see up-thread

518 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:47am

re: #515 alan2

Charles said "

Two questions from this discussion:

1. There are millions of Europeans who hate western civilization - does it not make sense that some small percentage of them could have been among this crowd or are they pure because they opposed this event.

2. Given that there were radical muslim activists among the groups supporting the counter demonstration, Charles, do you forswear any support of this side too?

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Where have I ever said I "support" the Antifa group?

The point is that there were a LOT of people at these demonstrations, and by far the majority were NOT "radical muslim activists" or Antifa.

519 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:02:19am

re: #511 ploome hineni

Research his history, back into the 70's or thereabouts

520 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:18am

re: #515 alan2

That bad people may oppose Nazi's does not make Nazi's unbad, nor does the fact that Naz's are bad make all that oppose Nazi's the unbad.

Nazi's are bad. They should be opposed simply because they are bad. If other bad people hate Nazi's too, let them.

521 cybermonk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:05:12am

re: #68 cliffster

Barrack is an ARAB name, Obama is more Arab than black, so he would be our first ARAB president, leaving Bill Clinton :0 as our first black president.

522 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:30am

re: #513 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Very true, and I read your other post.

I never studied the Eastern Front, but I do know that Russia diverted an enormous amount of resources from the west and North Africa. For example, a lack of supplies was the root cause of Rommel's defeat. (1) Much of those supplies were diverted to Russia, and (2) the Brits built up their strike force on Malta. Malta could have been nullified by by the Italian Navy, but the Italian Fleet couldn't sail because Germany wasn't giving it fuel. (Russia, again.)

/complex set of circumstances

Under no circumstance am I suggesting that victory would have been easy without Russia. Hitler's Germany was one hell of a force to be reckoned with. The cost however of allying with Russia is measured in the hundreds of millions of lives lost during the cold war. Many times the number of lives that would have been lost had we not allied with Russia.

It seemed expedient at the time, history has however proven that it was a disastrous decision. The cold war was fought between the United States and Russia via proxy in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Afghanistan, ect...ect...ect... At the cost of hundreds of millions of lives.

Yes it was a mistake, a mistake that we cannot afford to repeat again.

523 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:57am

Drive by!

Someone tell FrogMarch that Larry Kudlow has linked the Burning Down the House video! It's the second post on his NRO blog!

Scroll Down

I have never managed to link to a specific entry on any NRO blog. I don't know why. I've seen many of you do so, but I cannot seem to make it work.

524 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:11am

More on the demonstration: there were tens of thousands of anti-fascist demonstrators, but according to this report, only about 100 violent ones.

Pro-Köln supporters, under watch by Germany's domestic intelligence agency, were met with whistles and paint bombs hurled by about 100 leftist activists, and there was an incident between the right-wingers and activists in the city's Rodenkirchen district. But no one was injured, police reported.

At the last minute, police also refused permission for a bus full of the anti-Islamic demonstrators to tour through multicultural areas in Cologne, calling it a “provocation.”

Though the first day of the congress was largely peaceful, police said the right-wing extremists have used “intentional tactics and false messages” to create a “dangerous situation,” and the atmosphere is tense. Eight counter-demonstrators have been arrested so far.

525 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:19:56am

Repeating what I wrote above, to portray what happened in Cologne as an apocalyptic battle between two bad sides is simply bullshit.

526 Cutting Edge  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:20:41am

re: #509 leftover54

527 MPH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:41am

Damn it -- I wasn't hearing things. Obama did say we were better off with Saddam in power...pitting nations against one another for his geo-political master plans.

Obama said:
"And ironically, the single thing that has strengthened Iran over the last several years has been the war in Iraq. Iraq was Iran's mortal enemy. That was cleared away. And what we've seen over the last several years is Iran's influence grow."
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]


Why didn't McCain jump all over this?

528 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #522 doriangrey

Even if we had NOT supported Russia (via the convoys around the North Cape, etc.), she would likely have survived the war.

After the war (our ally or not), it was only a matter of time before she unlocked the secret of the atom bomb. The nuclear standoff was the major driving force of the Cold War.

The Cold War was inevitable. It was NOT an outgrowth, directly or indirectly, of our allying ourselves with Russia during WWII.

Perhaps giving the Soviets (as our ally) a seat on the Security Council made it worse, by giving them more power in the post-war years. Perhaps supporting Russia left her stronger at the end of the war, enabling her to act sooner against the Western democracies. My point is, it comes down to issues like that.

529 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:28:24am

re: #423 pre-Boomer Marine brat

True. Problem though, is accuracy. We threw a lot of ordinance at the islands of the Pacific in WWII, but the Japs seemed to survive.

After the battlewagons went through overhaul/upgrade, their fire control systems were able to put one of those 1800 lb. shells within approximately 20 feet of the intended target at a range of over 20 miles

530 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #528 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Even if we had NOT supported Russia (via the convoys around the North Cape, etc.), she would likely have survived the war.

After the war (our ally or not), it was only a matter of time before she unlocked the secret of the atom bomb. The nuclear standoff was the major driving force of the Cold War.

The Cold War was inevitable. It was NOT an outgrowth, directly or indirectly, of our allying ourselves with Russia during WWII.

Perhaps giving the Soviets (as our ally) a seat on the Security Council made it worse, by giving them more power in the post-war years. Perhaps supporting Russia left her stronger at the end of the war, enabling her to act sooner against the Western democracies. My point is, it comes down to issues like that.

MacArthur wanted to march his troops from Manchuria to Berlin, would have solved the whole cold war problem before it ever became a problem.

531 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:30:21am

re: #524 Charles

More on the demonstration: there were tens of thousands of anti-fascist demonstrators, but according to this report, only about 100 violent ones.

Why does this sound an awful lot like reading of Brown Shirts (and the Comintern, for that matter) during the Weimar Republic?

532 elandadem  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:32:06am

I have worked for and have friends who work for the Missile Defense Agency. Many of them are hard core Obama supporters. They are aware of their likely, impending unemployment but believe his words are mere rhetoric. I do not believe that they are.

Other points, I noted from the debate. These are of interest to me, perhaps to no one else, but I have not seem them yet addressed.

Why has no one (perhaps they have in these pages) noted that McCain was "unprepared" for this debate. His suspension of his campaign and his involvement in the Washington festivities meant that his attention was diverted from debate rehearsals, which we all know are of paramount importance. Is this not more indicative of the true qualifications and depth of knowledge of the candidate than we typically witness by a candidate disgorging a plethora of memorized statistics and anecdotes?

Twice, although I'm told there were three occasions, I caught Senator Obama addressing Senator McCain as "Tom" or "Jim". Perhaps this is petty, but it may be a stellar example of an inability to form coherent thoughts on the fly. Obama's rhetorical skills were a great disappointment and his performance despite being articulate lacked substance whilst being replete with a Norman-based vocabulary.

Even scholars of a true classical bent, know when and how to invoke Anglo-Saxon terminology. Obama is obviously neither a scholar nor an orator. In fact, given last night's performance the Emperor Claudius could likely best him rhetorically.

533 MPH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:32:47am

re: #74 Charles

I'm now getting hate mail from Andrew Bostom, who believes we should all be joining forces with European white nationalists, calling me all kinds of names and insults.

It's an eye-opener about Bostom.

The eye opener came long ago to me, when I saw that he was on the board of directors (along with Spencer, one of his closest friends and biggest supporters of course, James Jatras, Julia Gorin, and their ilk) of the Serbian ultra-nationalist front-group, the American Council for Kosovo:

[Link: www.savekosovo.org...]

534 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:33:52am

re: #531 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why does this sound an awful lot like reading of Brown Shirts (and the Comintern, for that matter) during the Weimar Republic?

Because Nazi's only have one play book to follow. Do what worked the first time.... And hope for better results once you gain power....

535 MPH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:35:08am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Look up "bostom" and "bosom" for some perspective....

536 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:38:21am

re: #530 doriangrey

MacArthur wanted to march his troops from Manchuria to Berlin, would have solved the whole cold war problem before it ever became a problem.

Patton had a better shot at it in 1945, but Russia would have swallowed him too.

Much as I admire many things MacArthur did, Truman was right to relieve him of command. (That is NOT saying I agree with the way Korea was fought.) Read Wm. Manchester's biography of MacArthur.

537 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:38:48am
538 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:39am

re: #501 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Brockmann is a &@^#$%$^#@ Sandinista!

And an adherent of "liberation theology":

from wikipedia:

D'Escoto was ordained a Roman Catholic priest for the Maryknoll congregation, before engaging in politics. He was a key figure in the founding of the Maryknoll imprint, Orbis Books, in 1970, and was an official with the World Council of Churches. As an adherent of liberation theology, he secretly joined the Sandinistas.

He sounds like a nutcase, a brother to Father Phlegm.

539 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:44:16am

re: #534 doriangrey

Because Nazi's only have one play book to follow. Do what worked the first time.... And hope for better results once you gain power....

FYI ... see if you can find the book, Out of the Night, by Jan Valtin. I don't know if it's in print. A quick search didn't turn it up, but I did NOT search for his real name, Richard Julius Hermann Krebs as the author.

It's a first-hand account of Germany in the Weimar Republic, and of the operations of the Comintern, et al.

540 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:48:16am

re: #538 reine.de.tout

He sounds like a nutcase, a brother to Father Phlegm.

And NOWWWW ... *rimshot* ... *TA DAAAA* ... *salute* ... he's President of the United Nations General Assembly!

/where th' hell's Mandy when you need a scream about the Global Caliphate?!?!

541 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:48:44am
542 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:55:52am

re: #21 DoubleU

If people are paying attention to this, which I think they are, this is how the Republicans will steal another election.

So, as you see it, persuading people to vote Republican by giving reasons and arguments against the Democrat candidate is a form of theft?

Good grief. Even giving lying reasons and bogus arguments against a candidate is not part of stealing an election. Even when the news media report that voting has closed in Florida and that Gore has won, though in reality Pensacola and the rest of the western arm of FL is in the central time zone and has an hour to go, and though in reality Bush and Gore are neck and neck, that's not part of an attempt to steal an election. That's part of an attempt to tip an election to your team.

Stealing an election is accomplished by getting non-citizens or ineligible citizens registered (ACORN), by getting people registered under multiple names (ACORN), by getting false names registered (ACORN), by sending volunteers around to "help" demented nursing home patients vote (Democratic Party), by tampering with the ballots after the fact (there must be documented instances somewhere of a Republican operative doing that, but mostly, Democrats), and by achieving 100 percent turnouts, unanimously for Gore, from more voters registered in the precinct than the census thinks there are adults living there. (Philadelphia.)

It's accomplished by throwing obstacles in the way of military votes, by obstructing the delivery of votes already cast until the deadline for their receipt has passed, and by ignoring federal law saying that military ballots must be counted if they arrive by the federal deadline, state deadlines notwithstanding.

It's accomplished by having a state supreme court annul the United States Constitution, which provides that state law, as written on the books of a state, governs election issues, [whether OR NOT that state law may later be deemed by a state court to violate the state constitution].

And then, when the US Supreme Court holds that no, state Supreme Courts may not set aside provisions of the U.S. Constitution to help the candidate who pays better, you call it STEALING the election.

The US SC takes an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. They do so. And you call that STEALING. Phaugh!

543 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:56:23am

re: #540 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And NOWWWW ... *rimshot* ... *TA DAAAA* ... *salute* ... he's President of the United Nations General Assembly!

/where th' hell's Mandy when you need a scream about the Global Caliphate?!?!

I believe there are people who join the priesthood, not because of any devotion to the word of God, but because it gives them some level of credibility, and access to something - a stage (Father Phlegm); or in other cases that is just devastating to think about, access to children.

My understanding is the selection process for seminary has been (or is being) looked at and changes made. Better late than never.

544 melinwy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:03:16pm

re: #97 Killer Tomato

thanks for that link!

545 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:04:07pm

re: #498 doriangrey

You wrote that we did not have to ally with Russia in WW2.

Allies are nations fighting a common enemy. The only way we could have not allied with Russia would have been to stay out of the war with Germany, even after Germany declared war on us and sent her subs to ravage our coastal shipping.

You must be joking.

Not a chance of that.

Necessity makes strange bedfellows. We were allies of Russia, like it or not. That alliance didn't continue into the postwar years, but it continued until Germany was defeated. Technically, it continued until Japan was defeated, though we drew back on our contribution to the Russian war economy when it became clear that the war would be over before any further shipments of raw materials could be worked into weapons or ammo and deployed to the fighting.

546 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:36pm

re: #545 lostlakehiker

You wrote that we did not have to ally with Russia in WW2.

Allies are nations fighting a common enemy. The only way we could have not allied with Russia would have been to stay out of the war with Germany, even after Germany declared war on us and sent her subs to ravage our coastal shipping.

You must be joking.

Not a chance of that.

Necessity makes strange bedfellows. We were allies of Russia, like it or not. That alliance didn't continue into the postwar years, but it continued until Germany was defeated. Technically, it continued until Japan was defeated, though we drew back on our contribution to the Russian war economy when it became clear that the war would be over before any further shipments of raw materials could be worked into weapons or ammo and deployed to the fighting.

No. To quote Sun Tzu again, Let your enemies fight against each other, they will wear themselves out. We did not have to be Russia's ally just because we were both fighting Hitler. That assumption is a basic logic fallacy, ergo prompter hoc, after this, therefore because of this.

547 kansas  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:58:42pm

re: #21 DoubleU

If people are paying attention to this, which I think they are, this is how the Republicans will steal another election.

If quoting the Great One results in his losing the election, then so be it. But stealing? GTFOH

548 MPH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:49:26pm

re: #537 ploome hineni

MPH medura's so called greencard husband

another muslim tool

only MPH can condemn someone by association with Robert Spencer

You are a real first class jerk. Not worthy.

Lao Stinky's quote fits well in this case:

"Refusing to dive into a sewer doesn’t mean you’re cleaner than everyone else.

— Lao Stinky"

549 MPH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 3:46:37pm

re: #258 ploome hineni

why?

Dr. Bostom is a tireless resercher and scholar, very dedicated and intense in his desire to expose and stop the malignant spread of islam and jihad

I am sure he never intended to insult

I'd like to see the content of the email. I'm quite sure it is in line with your own pathetic smears against my wife (who happens to be ethnically albanian and jewish).

I've said it here before -- radical islamists need people like you -- and you need radical islamists to rant against and feel special. Your symbiotic hatred and religious supremacy are guaranteed losers. Defeat of the radical islamists who loathe our freedoms, our constitution, and our way of life will not come by way of aligning with supremacists of any stripe.

550 Captain Jack  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 3:51:42pm

You gotta love how these leftist democrats can change fundamental positions on just about everything and it is somehow ok yet a republican gets called out on even minor changes. The media know its just to sucker the centrists and independents into getting their vote and "progressives" know he is lying so they don't get too upset. I bet before this election Obama will be crowned as the true moderate by the media and he will have always been for the surge in Iraq. Yeah...it was his idea all along! I can't wait for the late hit this time around. The got Bush the first time with a 20 year old DWI and the second time Dan Rather tries to personally decide the election with his "fake but accurate" National Guard 60 minutes piece. I bet they roll out stuff on the Keating 5 or find some doctor that says he is dying or some viet cong that says McCain was a communist collaborator. Who knows.

551 jimzinsocal  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:06:34pm

McCain misses some openings. The next time Obama does the "eight years of failed economic policy" crap McCain should respond: You know Barry?
Looking over everything you have said? Its not a policy problem with you. You have a problem with capitalism. Show me where you have in any instance gone to bat for the corporate side of things. You havent.
Ill save you the time. You exhibit an animosity for anything corporate.
Anything business. You sound like a 20 year old caught in some SDS driven
timewarp.

552 Captain Jack  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:13:25pm

Of course Obama is not pro capitalism. He is a leach and a drain on capitalism. He is only pro capitalist enough not to kill the host completely. His Democrat buddies trying to get ACORN their multi hundred million slush fund to help poor people in return for their grateful democrat vote is a true poison to democracy. Democrats arguments that ACORNs housing arm is separate from their political arm is a crock.

553 jimzinsocal  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:18:22pm

Yeah. And Captain Bullshits' point about Roosevelt buying houses?
Please. I saw this at the corner and I refuse to fight thru their email barriers

The Home Owners' Loan Corporation (HOLC) or Home Owner's Refinancing Act, was a New Deal agency established in 1933 under President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Its purpose was to refinance homes to prevent foreclosure. It was used to extend loans from shorter loans to fully amortized, longer term loans (typically 20-25 years). Through its work it granted long term mortgages to over a million people facing the loss of their homes. The HOLC stopped lending circa 1935, once all the available capital had been spent. HOLC was only applicable to nonfarm homes, worth less than $20,000.

554 jimzinsocal  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:19:24pm

That is not "buying homes"

555 jimzinsocal  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:25:28pm

^^^

As Gibson would say: Exact words

Here is the transcript:

Obama: "...we’ holding assets long enough that eventually taxpayers get it back and that happened during the Great Depression when Roosevelt purchased a whole bunch of homes,"

-captain bullshit9/26/08

556 Captain Jack  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:30:01pm

The media would help elect a turnip president if it was a ideologically a reliable socialist.

557 jimzinsocal  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:44:12pm

re: #556 Captain Jack

The media would help elect a turnip president if it was a ideologically a reliable socialist.

Agree. It makes me want to tear my hair out when I see the "pass" The One gets from factcheck and others.
He says absolute bullshit....but wait...."he said it so well."

WTF?

558 Captain Jack  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:29:14pm

People could really simplify the voting process if they got down to core ideology as their main criterion for whom to vote. Generally the socialistic, communistic, anti-individualistic candidate is the Democrat on most important issues. Obama will enact policies that deny the individual his/her rewards by trying to offer equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity through wealth redistribution utilizing taxation and opportunity redistribution utilizing affirmative action. It is ironic and seems counter intuitive that a strong "selfish" individual effort with strong retained reward is the best way to benefit the community.

559 sngnsgt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:19:00pm

I normally don't take Internet polls seriously, but I can't believe Barry O is showing in the polls the way he is. McCain clearly cleaned his clock last night. Barry's all hat and no cattle. It doesn't at all surprise me this man is the Democrat nominee for President.

Remember, if you don't vote for Barack, you're a racist.
/sarc

560 pittrader1988  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:29pm

Here in Chicagostan, the MSM is saying Obama won the debate!

Amazingly, NC is close. I am afraid the socialist has won. In that case we move to France where they do socialism right.

561 Dartmouth  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:17pm

The hilarious thing in all this is that you can see Obama's eyes following a teleprompter in his ad, even though it's only reminding him of a few short sentences. Talk about needing to be scripted and coddled.

562 pittrader1988  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:43pm

Also, I think McCain really needs to beat him badly. This will sound racist. We are so conditioned to seeing blacks that are either unintelligible; stupid; in jail; on the streets etc, that when some one like Barack that speaks well, is educated and can project to an audience; you have a higher bar to cross to beat him. He gets a big pass simply because he is black. 40 years of affirmative action has conditioned people to giving him a pass.

McCain clearly cleaned his clock last night on foreign policy. McCain needs to clean him out on an economic debate, and since 50% don't pay taxes, he needs a new message on that. He can't really talk about government spending either, because no one thinks anybody can slay that dragon.

Somehow he needs to connect with the people at home-and Obama has done a good job at doing that. They think McCain can't because he has six or seven houses.

Hopefully McCain can do that. They ought to shine a lot of sunshine on this bail out plan. Dodd and the boys want to give 20% to ACORN!

563 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:20:46am
564 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:22:19am
565 jimzinsocal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:12:52am

re: #555 jimzinsocal

^^^

As Gibson would say: Exact words

Here is the transcript:

Obama: "...we’ holding assets long enough that eventually taxpayers get it back and that happened during the Great Depression when Roosevelt purchased a whole bunch of homes,"

-captain bullshit9/26/08

I submitted this to FactCheck.org.

Lets see if they can provide a list of a "bunch of homes" that Obama claims.

Hey. They get paid for research...I dont and I simply cant invest hours
in correcting Obama's vision of what really happened.
If I get a response? Ill post it...

566 Clubsec  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:38:50pm

re: Last of Mohican ... comment about ObamUH saying if missile defense were 'space based' or 'not proven' ... etc, he'd stop their funding. Period.
Parsing folks. The Mid-Course and most certainly Boost Phase Intercept depend upon SPACE BASED assets. Duh.
The CM and CCM issues are being worked. MIRV issues are being worked also. Unless NK and Iran get direct tech assistance from the Russians their MIRV capability is a decade or so out. Whatever technology you develop you have to boost it. MIRV ain't easy. Throw weight is expensive. Nukes are more expensive.
We'll be safe as long as we don't elect a dumbass as President.

BTW, when is the MSM going to pressure Jean Francois Kerry to sign his SF-180 and release his military records?
(Heck, its been almost 8 years already.)

567 Lawrior  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:52:04am

God, this is SUCH a surprise.

McCain camp, please run more of these ads!


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