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Car Bomb Kills 17 in Syria

World | Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:57:59 am PDT

A taxi packed with explosives blew up on a crowded residential street in Damascus today, killing at least 17 people.

Syrian television said a car packed with 440 pounds (200 kilograms) of explosives blew up on Mahlak Street, in a southern district of the Syrian capital close to the city’s international airport. The charred remains of the car was shown by television in the street near a primary school as firefighters stood near a wide crater believed be caused by the blast.

One witness said on television the explosion sounded like an earthquake. “My apartment collapsed, and five of my family members are injured and in hospital,” he said.

Another witnesses who was sleeping in his truck at the time of the blast said it appeared as if the bomb vehicle was a taxi. “I saw lots of smoke and the glass windows of my truck shattered.”

Bassam Abdul-Majid, the Syrian Interior Minister, called the bombing a terrorist act and said all the victims were civilians. But he would not say who might have been responsible. “We cannot accuse any party. There are ongoing investigations that will lead us to those who carried it out.”

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1 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:50am

I find it interesting that this should be happening now. Perhaps their neighbor to the East is a bit miffed with them ?

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:00am

They will blame da Jooooooos.

3 RTLM  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:02:16am

Hezbollah off the reservation?

4 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:04am

Oh but here's good news:

UCLA group discovers humungous prime number

Mathematicians at UCLA have discovered a 13-million-digit prime number, a long-sought milestone that makes them eligible for a $100,000 prize.

Mersenne primes — named for their discoverer, 17th century French mathematician Marin Mersenne — are expressed as 2P-1, or two to the power of "P" minus one. P is itself a prime number. For the new prime, P is 43,112,609.

I'm pretty sure that number of dollars, will be sufficient for the next bailout.

5 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:55am

Bassam Abdul-Majid, the Syrian Interior Minister, called the bombing a terrorist act

I would like to get Bassams definition of a "terrorist". Lets not forget some people (even soem American lefties) say that the US military is the "terrorist"

6 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:12am

re: #1 Thanos

I find it interesting that this should be happening now. Perhaps their neighbor to the East is a bit miffed with them ?

Possibly Sunni extremists angry at either Syria's Iranian connections, or the fact that the regime is too secular for them.

7 vapig  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #2 Sharmuta

They will blame da Jooooooos.

Yes - they will.

What terrorist would bomb a nation full of terrorist?

8 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:33am

What a Peaceful Religion they practice.

/NOT

9 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:06:53am

re: #6 Charles

Possibly Sunni extremists angry at either Syria's Iranian connections, or the fact that the regime is too secular for them.

Yeah, it could be AQ as well, they've declared war on them, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, etc. etc. in various tapes.

10 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:55am

Sunni, Shia, Al-Qaeda, fooey.

He that lives by the boom, will die by the boom.

Wake up and smell the thermite, Mo.

11 sonofsheldon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:06am

re: #5 sattv4u2

Are you perhaps insinuating that this could have been a legitimate act of resistance to . . . to . . . well, you know.

12 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:55am

So what exactly is the point of this? They can't do it in Tel Aviv, so they MUST splodeydope SOMEWHERE and anywhere will do? God, what a bunch of nihilists!

13 uptight  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:10:36am

why would terrorists target syria?
that's like hell's angels attacking their own biker bar

14 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:11:00am

So was it an act of piety, or a work accident?

15 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:11:27am

re: #11 sonofsheldon

Are you perhaps insinuating that this could have been a legitimate act of resistance to . . . to . . . well, you know.

my post was serious. I would really be intersted to know the mindset of the Minister. Where do his sympathies lie?

16 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:06am

re: #13 uptight

why would terrorists target syria?
that's like hell's angels attacking their own biker bar

you obviously have never been to an H/A biker bar !

17 alexwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:13:29am

Will Barry sit down and chat with these guys?

18 GM_Yitzhak  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:13:45am

There may be a lesson here. Something along the lines of "You reap what you sew".

19 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:14:31am

re: #6 Charles

Possibly Sunni extremists angry at either Syria's Iranian connections, or the fact that the regime is too secular for them.

A diversionary tactic, an IAEA inspector following the trail to the nuclear facility the Israel destroyed last year was just murdered in Syria. Now the Syrian's are attempting to suggest that they are also victims of terrorist acts in order to divert attention away from their killing the IAEA inspector. And that Charles is really all this was...

20 RoyalCanadian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:14:32am

muslims...killing muslims ....are the happiest people

21 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:14:40am

re: #17 alexwest

Will Barry sit down and chat with these guys?

They will have to scrap the bits and goo together first. Like it or not, that is one precondition that Barry will have to allow for.

22 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:14:42am

re: #18 GM_Yitzhak

There may be a lesson here. Something along the lines of "You reap what you sew".

The lesson I take from it is next time in-country, pass on the cab rides!

23 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:22am

RIP Paul Newman

24 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:38am

The chickens are coming home to roost!

Oh, this was in Syria? Never mind.

/Ward Churchill

25 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:52am

re: #19 doriangrey

A diversionary tactic, an IAEA inspector following the trail to the nuclear facility the Israel destroyed last year was just murdered in Syria. Now the Syrian's are attempting to suggest that they are also victims of terrorist acts in order to divert attention away from their killing the IAEA inspector. And that Charles is really all this was...

I hadn't heard/ seen that. link?

26 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:16:44am

re: #23 Racer X

RIP Paul Newman

Not Paul!

27 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:17:18am

re: #19 doriangrey

A diversionary tactic, an IAEA inspector following the trail to the nuclear facility the Israel destroyed last year was just murdered in Syria. Now the Syrian's are attempting to suggest that they are also victims of terrorist acts in order to divert attention away from their killing the IAEA inspector. And that Charles is really all this was...

I think you win the prize here.

28 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:17:33am

re: #19 doriangrey

re: #25 sattv4u2

I hadn't heard/ seen that. link?

nevermind ,, i've found it

29 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:19:13am

re: #28 sattv4u2

re: #25 sattv4u2

nevermind ,, i've found it

Dang... And I had the link all ready for you.... ;P

30 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:19:18am

re: #4 itellu3times

Oh but here's good news:

UCLA group discovers humungous prime number

I'm pretty sure that number of dollars, will be sufficient for the next bailout.

I bet all those mathemeticians were foreign exchange students.

31 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:22:35am

re: #4 itellu3times

Oh but here's good news:

UCLA group discovers humungous prime number

I'm pretty sure that number of dollars, will be sufficient for the next bailout.

You could run a program on your home computer to look for New Mersenne Primes. Prime95.

32 FIVEOFNINE  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:00am

Sunni's are losing big time against the big Devil (the U.S.) so they are now going against the little devil (the shiite).
Figure it would be easy picking.

33 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:02am

Obama will talk to the Jihadists. Don't worry

/

34 eon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:31am

re: #26 Tigger2005

Not Paul!

Unfortunately, yes. He passed away at home Friday after a long battle with cancer, at age 83.

Depressingly, the search I did to come up with that news item also dredged up a report claiming that he was only 81, and that he was actually killed in a plane crash a week ago in Colorado. (WTF?)

I say that story needs to be knocked in the head right now, before it becomes another bit of grist for some conspiracy-monger's mill. His family deserves the respect, and so does he.

/Spent the morning trying to talk sense into a Truther, so I'm not in the best frame of mind for dealing with that kind of crap right at this moment

cheers

eon

35 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:36am

re: #31 Syrah

You could run a program on your home computer to look for New Mersenne Primes. Prime95.

Gee willykers Wally that sounds really exciting.... / lol...lol...lol...

36 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:26:08am

Paul Newman died?

37 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:26:13am

damn mormons

38 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:27:08am

re: #35 doriangrey

Gee willykers Wally that sounds really exciting.... / lol...lol...lol...

Boring as all hell really. But kind of nifty if you are trying to stress test a machine.

39 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:27:17am

Ta ra ra Boom Dee Ayyy

Who blew up whom today ?

17 dead

170 useless fingers now

170 useless toes

34 eyes that don't see

34 nostrils never to smell a rose

ain't islam grand ?

40 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:27:48am

Paul Newman's political activism

Political activism

For his strong support of Eugene McCarthy in 1968 (and effective use of television commercials in California), Newman was 19th on Richard Nixon's enemies list.

Consistent with his work for liberal causes, Newman publicly supported Ned Lamont's candidacy in the 2006 Connecticut Democratic Primary against Senator Joe Lieberman, and was even rumored as a candidate himself until Lamont emerged as a credible alternative. He has donated to Chris Dodd's presidential campaign.[24]

41 flynmudd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:28:17am

9/26/08: Chief UN nuclear inspector says [Syrian] official participating in his agency's probe of an alleged atomic program assassinated, apparently referring to Brig. Gen. Mohammed Suleiman

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder why the MSM didn't consider this important?
///

42 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:30:23am

re: #41 flynmudd

9/26/08: Chief UN nuclear inspector says [Syrian] official participating in his agency's probe of an alleged atomic program assassinated, apparently referring to Brig. Gen. Mohammed Suleiman

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder why the MSM didn't consider this important?
///

Why would they want to complicate a presidential "Foreign Policy Debate" between McCain and the Chosen One?

43 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:30:53am
“We cannot accuse any party. There are ongoing investigations that will lead us to those who carried it out.”

Teh Joooooos?


/

44 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:31:48am

re: #41 flynmudd

9/26/08: Chief UN nuclear inspector says [Syrian] official participating in his agency's probe of an alleged atomic program assassinated, apparently referring to Brig. Gen. Mohammed Suleiman

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder why the MSM didn't consider this important?
///

Because it doesn't fit their narrative and they don't want to give the general populace any information that might make them think and therefore doubt their narrative.

45 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:33:49am

re: #40 EIDE_Interface

Classy.

46 geata  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:34:32am

This is bizarre. First Pakistan, now Syria. Of course, the hotel in Pakistan was full of foreigners and all, but still...

47 eon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:35:04am

re: #39 Ojoe

What I want to know is, if the Islamic world is so poor and underprivileged (and it's All Our Fault), where in the Hell do they keep getting the cars they blow up?

I've seen enough aftermath photos to know that they generally aren't cheap ones. And I'd expect a taxi to be especially watched after. (A company-owned one will be signed in and out; one that is a family's major income source will be watched like a hawk on a mouse.)

It amazes me that anyone in the region outside of Israel would willingly own a car, for fear of ending up as a bit player in the local maniacs' latest act of homicidal self-dramatization.

Or a victim of same.

cheers

eon

48 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:36:41am

re: #46 geata

This is bizarre. First Pakistan, now Syria. Of course, the hotel in Pakistan was full of foreigners and all, but still...

What's bizarre?

It's just another day in Islam.

[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

49 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:37:33am

re: #47 eon

where in the Hell do they keep getting the cars they blow up?

CubaCarMax

50 Zimriel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:38:24am

Syria is run by a clique of Alawites in alliance with Christians and Shi'ites (not sure about Druze) under the pan-Arab "Ba'ath" banner. The whole point of the Ba'ath is precisely NOT to give ear to the majority Sunni. We could ask the citizens of Hama about that if there, you know, were any.

I see the hand of Sunni extremists from Iraq and Saudi in this. But not al-Qaeda itself. Al-Qaeda speaks for an explicitly religious constituency, and there are plenty of secular reasons for Sunnis to blow shit up in Syria.

I'm not even sure al-Qaeda even bothers with the Mediterranean coast and Levant anymore. Sunni religious extremists are pro-Iran in Gaza and anti-Iran in Saudi. Who wants to deal with the politics over there? Not to mention that al-Q is roundly hated by Sunni in Iraq at this point. Al-Qaeda is better off in Pakistan, as a Central Asian extremist movement.

51 geata  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:39:20am

re: #48 astronmr20

What's bizarre?

It's just another day in Islam.

[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

I'm referring to the fact that they're bombing their own now, and I can't quite figure out why. Again, Pakistan was less surprising than this one, but it was still unexpected.

52 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:38am

re: #40 EIDE_Interface

He was certainly a liberal, but not an asshole about it, unlike most of Hollywood. And unlike most of Hollywood, he was a damn fine actor. RIP.

53 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:54am

re: #40 EIDE_Interface

Paul Newman's political activism

Political activism

For his strong support of Eugene McCarthy in 1968 (and effective use of television commercials in California), Newman was 19th on Richard Nixon's enemies list.

Consistent with his work for liberal causes, Newman publicly supported Ned Lamont's candidacy in the 2006 Connecticut Democratic Primary against Senator Joe Lieberman, and was even rumored as a candidate himself until Lamont emerged as a credible alternative. He has donated to Chris Dodd's presidential campaign.[24]

Yeah, I'd heard he was a moonbat. Too bad ... he seemed like he should have been more of a Charlton Heston type.

54 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:56am

re: #47 eon

What I want to know is, if the Islamic world is so poor and underprivileged (and it's All Our Fault), where in the Hell do they keep getting the cars they blow up?

Ummm...France, perhaps?

55 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:41:28am

re: #51 geata

I'm referring to the fact that they're bombing their own now, and I can't quite figure out why. Again, Pakistan was less surprising than this one, but it was still unexpected.

They have always bombed their own, it's the Muslim way of dealing with disagreements.

56 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:41:46am

these knuckleheads have worn out their welcome in a good part of the Islamic world. maybe we'll see an international grassroots purge a la Iraq in the years to come

57 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:42:11am

re: #40 EIDE_Interface

He was a good husband and a fine actor, and one of the most handsome men that ever lived. He didn't wallow in his illness for the benefit of the vultures in the tabloid press. He was a liberal, but he did good work on his own dime, not on the government's, in effect showing that private enterprise is an awesome vehicle for philanthropy.

He was a good man, whatever his politics. If you can't say something good of the dead, don't say anything at all.

58 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:44:16am

well, my sister says her Obamanaut friends thought McCain won the debate fairly handily

59 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:44:26am

re: #51 geata

I'm referring to the fact that they're bombing their own now, and I can't quite figure out why. Again, Pakistan was less surprising than this one, but it was still unexpected.

How does that proverb go?

"They cannot sleep unless they have first done wrong, they lose their sleep if they have not brought someone down."

60 Zimriel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:44:46am

re: #52 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He was certainly a liberal, but not an asshole about it, unlike most of Hollywood. And unlike most of Hollywood, he was a damn fine actor. RIP.

Except for the bit about supporting Dodd. If I were a non-asshole liberal, rather than an asshole reactionary, I would support liberals who weren't slimy rotten criminals. Feingold, I suppose; or Nunn, or Gephardt and Wellstone back in the day. But Dodd?

61 Last Mohican  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:44:59am

re: #17 alexwest

Will Barry sit down and chat with these guys?

Absolutely! He will invite them to the negotiating table, but he will NOT invite them over for tea.

62 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:45:18am

re: #51 geata

I'm referring to the fact that they're bombing their own now, and I can't quite figure out why. Again, Pakistan was less surprising than this one, but it was still unexpected.

By deaths, injuries, and oppression, it is muslims who are affected my islamic terrorism the most.

63 stuiec  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:21am

re: #6 Charles

Possibly Sunni extremists angry at either Syria's Iranian connections, or the fact that the regime is too secular for them.

How about Lebanese trying to get Syria out of their business once and for all?

64 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:22am

PAUL NEWMAN

RIP

I could give a rats ass less what his politics were BECAUSE he never pushed them in my face while practicing his craft. He is in no way to be held in the same light as the Michael Moores, the Whoopi Goldbergs, the Alec Baldwins. newman beleived what he beleived and worked for it

Heavens gain is our loss

65 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:28am

re: #61 Last Mohican

Absolutely! He will invite them to the negotiating table, but he will NOT invite them over for tea.

One has to draw the line somewhere. Well, maybe have them over for tea, but no scones under any circumstances!

66 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:30am

re: #58 spidly

well, my sister says her Obamanaut friends thought McCain won the debate fairly handily

really?

67 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:47:13am

I wonder if Baby Assad has addressed the 'root causes' of this attack.

68 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:47:18am

Since the bidding is open for wild@$$ guessing...

The Syrians have also been talking about negotiations with the US and Israel. America would like to prise Syria away from Iran. This isn't likely to happen, but Sunni extremists, chased out of Iraq by American successes and with little else to do, might be taking a cue from AQ and Pakistan, warning the Syrian government against rapprochement with the West.

Given the weaknesses of the Syrian government, and decline in terrorist fortunes in Iraq, maybe they think destabilizing Syria will give them a better shot at a new base. At least they don't have to worry about US troop intervening to protect the Syrian regime.

69 Bubbaman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:47:48am

re: #6 Charles

Possibly Sunni extremists angry at either Syria's Iranian connections, or the fact that the regime is too secular for them.

Well, this is an interesting development. Syria is primarily Sunni though around 15% of the population is Shia. The area where the explosion took place is more Shia and a strong Hizballah presence. So, was it a "work accident", premature explosination, or a targeted act? We'll have to wait to see what the intelligence folks say.

70 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:47:54am

re: #65 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

One has to draw the line somewhere. Well, maybe have them over for tea, but no scones under any circumstances!

wait a minute. Thats a pre-condition!

71 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:47:56am

re: #49 sattv4u2

where in the Hell do they keep getting the cars they blow up?

CubaCarMax

Probably steal'em now ... I think they learned better about renting after the 1993 WTC bombing. And the first chapter of the car bombing handbook now says, "For Allah's sake do not attempt to get your deposit back!"

72 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:48:15am

re: #64 sattv4u2

PAUL NEWMAN

RIP

I could give a rats ass less what his politics were BECAUSE he never pushed them in my face while practicing his craft. He is in no way to be held in the same light as the Michael Moores, the Whoopi Goldbergs, the Alec Baldwins. newman beleived what he beleived and worked for it

Heavens gain is our loss

Well said my friend, well said indeed...

73 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:48:34am

So there going to be blowing theirselfs up in Syria.They have all those small econo box cars.Can we send them some SUVs? they would hold more explosives,and they could do better work.

74 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:49:11am

re: #67 Fenway_Nation

I wonder if Baby Assad has addressed the 'root causes' of this attack.


When he has an idea who did it, he will...with artillery and bulldozers. Google Hama.

75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:49:14am

re: #70 sattv4u2

wait a minute. Thats a pre-condition!

You're right! LOL

76 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:49:22am

re: #64 sattv4u2

I agree. A very charitable man.

77 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:49:37am

re: #72 doriangrey

Well said my friend, well said indeed...

thank you Dorian. From you, thats an honor(your posts are always with forethought and class)

78 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:50:36am

re: #73 Oldasdirt

So there going to be blowing theirselfs up in Syria.They have all those small econo box cars.Can we send them some SUVs? they would hold more explosives,and they could do better work.

It may be Syria, but these were just random civilians. Not everybody in an evil country is evil.

79 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:50:41am

re: #58 spidly

well, my sister says her Obamanaut friends thought McCain won the debate fairly handily

The drudge poll is still up, with McCain in an astounding lead.

80 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:50:50am

re: #71 Tigger2005

Probably
steal'em now ... I think they learned better about renting after the
1993 WTC bombing. And the first chapter of the car bombing handbook now
says, "For Allah's sake do not attempt to get your deposit back!"

I had to laugh out loud when the slow poop terrorist tried to get his deposit back in Path to Paradise. (which has never been released to DVD...)

81 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #64 sattv4u2

PAUL NEWMAN

RIP

I could give a rats ass less what his politics were BECAUSE he never pushed them in my face while practicing his craft.

Heavens gain is our loss

Agreed.
Thank you, Paul, for years of entertainment, especially Exodus.

82 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:51:40am

re: #73 Oldasdirt

So there going to be blowing theirselfs up in Syria.They have all those small econo box cars.Can we send them some SUVs? they would hold more explosives,and they could do better work.

Don't send them this model.

83 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:51:47am

re: #72 doriangrey

re: #76 Cap'n DOC

This place is on my and my wifes charitable giving list every year

[Link: www1.holeinthewallgang.org...]

84 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:52:12am

he was hot in "hud"

wow.
rip, paul

85 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:52:23am

re: #79 Syrah

The drudge poll is still up, with McCain in an astounding lead.

And showing a 2 to 1 victory at that...

86 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:52:59am

Hmmm...Hamas basically co-rules Lebanon right? So maybe now they want Syria too. One thing for sure, the chinless Assad ain't his daddy.

87 doriangrey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:53:40am

re: #82 Macker

Don't send them this model.

ROTFLMAO.... Are you kidding, thats exactly the model we should be making sure they use...

88 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:55:40am

re: #82 Macker

Don't send them this model.


Perfect,Pollo's all around.ROFL That comercial will hold a special place in my heart forever.

89 stuiec  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:56:02am

re: #83 sattv4u2

re: #76 Cap'n DOC

This place is on my and my wifes charitable giving list every year

[Link: www1.holeinthewallgang.org...]

Interesting that Paul Newman used his fame to make the world a better place by encouraging charity, and not by forcing his partisan politics on others.

90 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:56:19am

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people (except maybe the Iranians). I suspect the extreme religious islamos did this one.

OT: So Fortis in Europe is going the way of WaMu. I hate to see the bank failures, but maybe this will stifle the giggling of eurolibs

91 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:56:25am

re: #79 Syrah

The drudge poll is still up, with McCain in an astounding lead.

Which means absolutely nothing.

92 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:57:44am

re: #91 astronmr20

Which means absolutely nothing.

True but neither do the "real polls" where code pinkos masquerade as "undecided". I really don't trust any of these methods

93 eon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:58:23am

re: #68 transient

They were probably encouraged by Israel's lackluster performance in Lebanon. After Operation Peace in Gallilee in 1982, terrorist activity died down for quite a while. mainly to avoid incurring the wrath of the Zahal again. Even when they were busy turning Beirut into a real-life Doom level, they restricted their activities down south to rocket attacks and the occasional hostage-taking. The major reason that the IDF let them go on was to avoid giving Assad Sr. an excuse to move in to Lebanon, which in the end he did anyway.

If they manage to destabilize Syria like they did Lebanon, not only would the new Israeli government have no reason not to take the fight to Damascus, they might find it impossible to avoid doing so. Among other things, there's all that ex- Iraqi materiel' that was trucked to Syria as our forces drove into Baghdad five years ago. At least some of it was certainly chemical weapons, possibly even biowar agents, and that in Hamas or Hezbollah's hands might be enough to convince the IDF to do a Patton on them.

cheers

eon

94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:59:53am
95 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:06pm

re: #91 astronmr20

Which means absolutely nothing.

It means almost nothing. What it shows is that the Obamatons have not had the energy and or the drive to spam it. It is an easy one to spam. Yet, nothing has been done, even into the morning of the next day.

96 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #90 SpartanWoman

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people (except maybe the Iranians). I suspect the extreme religious islamos did this one.

OT: So Fortis in Europe is going the way of WaMu. I hate to see the bank failures, but maybe this will stifle the giggling of eurolibs

I don't think there's anything to celebrate about the deaths of random civilians, no matter where they happen to live. Like I said, not everyone in an evil country with evil leaders is evil.

97 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:00:58pm

re: #95 Syrah

It means almost nothing. What it shows is that the Obamatons have not had the energy and or the drive to spam it. It is an easy one to spam. Yet, nothing has been done, even into the morning of the next day.

Obama told his flock to spam CNN, they only do what they are told

98 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:02:04pm

re: #96 Tigger2005

I don't think there's anything to celebrate about the deaths of random civilians, no matter where they happen to live. Like I said, not everyone in an evil country with evil leaders is evil.

Not celebrating, just glad it's not a group that doesn't hate the jews and the US.

99 Zimriel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:02:21pm

re: #86 pingjockey

Hmmm...Hamas basically co-rules Lebanon right? So maybe now they want Syria too. One thing for sure, the chinless Assad ain't his daddy.

No, that's Hezbullah that co-rules Lebanon...

...But, Hezbullah is in alliance with Hamas. I find your view that Hezbullah might be in talks with Hamas-aligned (i.e., Ikhwan) extremists in Syria, intriguing. If Hezbullah has switched teams and joined up with the Sunni, the Alawites are dead meat in Syria. We'll be rid of the Assads. And we'll wish we weren't.

100 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:03:10pm
101 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:04:03pm

So now Wachovia Bank is on the ropes.

Here's a question. Some people point at the Community Reinvestment Act, forcing banks to grant loans to low-income people, as a cause of the current disasters. So, are the banks still issuing these loans? I mean, the law has not changed.

(I remain unclear whether the CRA is a major contributor to the problem of not, I still blame the investment banks first, they bought the crap from Fannie and Freddie, and no law made them do that)

102 darkster2400  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:04:24pm

re: #72 doriangrey

I agree as well

My favorite scene - the fight with the huge guy at the start of Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid

103 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:04:33pm

re: #94 ploome hineni

where was the number hiding?

fell between the couch cushions.
also found; the slipper that's been at large Under the chaise lounge for several weeks

104 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:05:02pm

re: #97 SpartanWoman

Obama told his flock to spam CNN, they only do what they are told

If that is so, and they have given no thought to drudge, they are fools.

Which I concede as a possibility.

105 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:05:24pm

re: #67 Fenway_Nation

I wonder if Baby Assad has addressed the 'root causes' of this attack.

under-regulated, government backed lending institutions and their reciprocal effects on Syrian financial markets? ;)

106 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:05:27pm

Here is a copy of the letter I sent to the Vice Chairman of the FEC, the ACLU, local tv stations in KCMO, the KCSTAR, the St. Louis Post Dispatch and the McCain Campaign:

Dear Mr.. Walther


I am writing to you concerning what I consider voter intimidation against McCain supporters.

Per a KMOV TV news broadcast, found here: [Link: www.kmov.com...]

The broadcast states, per reporter John Mills KMOV TV, that Missouri law enforcement target anyone who runs a misleading campaign ad.


He further states that Missouri Prosecutors and Sheriff’s are joining a “Barack Obama Truth Squad” including Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCullough and St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce.


From what I am seeing here this means that any ad that they disagree with or that they consider “misleading” will be dealt with via law enforcement!

John Mills also states in his report that his information is coming directly from the Obama Campaign.


Is this legal? Should prosecutors and sheriffs be “targeting” those they disagree with politically, especially on “company time”?


Since they stated that this is being carried out against McCain ads at the instigation of the Obama Campaign, and apparently will only be used against McCain ads, does this not violate campaign laws to use law enforcement officials to target citizens whom they disagree with politically?

I would appreciate your attention to this matter as I feel it is a direct violation of free speech, of voting rights, it is not being applied to both candidates ads and it is directly targeted at McCain voters.

107 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:06:21pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

PAUL NEWMAN

RIP

I could give a rats ass less what his politics were BECAUSE he never pushed them in my face while practicing his craft. He is in no way to be held in the same light as the Michael Moores, the Whoopi Goldbergs, the Alec Baldwins. newman beleived what he beleived and worked for it

Heavens gain is our loss

He tried to get Ned Lamont elected. 'nuff said.

108 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:06:34pm

OT, maybe related to some of the comments about Obama:

Breaking: Gov. Matt Blunt Releases Statement Condemning Barack Obama's Missouri Goon Squads

For Immediate Release:

Gov. Matt Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement

JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

109 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:06:47pm

re: #101 itellu3times

So now Wachovia Bank is on the ropes.

I was wondering what was taking so long. In the 10 years since the new home to the Flyers & Sixers opened up in Philly, it's had three owners & three name changes - Core State Center, First Union Center (I loved calling the stadium "The F-U Center") & now Wachovia Center. Seems like stadium ownership is the kiss of death.

110 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:07:11pm

re: #99 Zimriel
Ah, I get them 2 confused. I just was thinking a terroist is a terrorist. I couldn't tell you which one is Sunni or Shia. I do know one thing, if Israel was magically gone(the Jews) the barbarians would still be merrily blowing each other up because one side or the other would claim they are the true Islam. Barbarians.

111 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:07:26pm

re: #101 itellu3times

So now Wachovia Bank is on the ropes.

Here's a question. Some people point at the Community Reinvestment Act, forcing banks to grant loans to low-income people, as a cause of the current disasters. So, are the banks still issuing these loans? I mean, the law has not changed.

(I remain unclear whether the CRA is a major contributor to the problem of not, I still blame the investment banks first, they bought the crap from Fannie and Freddie, and no law made them do that)

wondered that myself. if you buy them up do you immediately fall under the sub-prime rules - so does JP have to start lending under these stupid rules now that it bought WaMu?

112 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:07:48pm

re: #101 itellu3times

So now Wachovia Bank is on the ropes.

I Am Not An Economist, but I find the whole thing disturbing. On the one hand, the government is fixing to take over massive numbers of bad mortgages. On the other hand, banks are getting bigger and bigger as they acquire other failing banks. We've got a socialist situation on the one hand, and a growing monopoly on the other hand. This seems like a bad idea.

I'm in favor of the rescue plan reluctantly, to stop the bleeding, but I'm not sure it will be able to save the patient.

113 psyop  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:07:50pm

If it weren't civilians dying, I would say let them blow each other up (whoever the "other" turns out to be, probably some sect of al Queda who thinks Syria isn't doing enough to fight the west).

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:07:52pm
115 JSK1121  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:08:35pm

re: #110 pingjockey

Ah, I get them 2 confused. I just was thinking a terroist is a terrorist. I couldn't tell you which one is Sunni or Shia. I do know one thing, if Israel was magically gone(the Jews) the barbarians would still be merrily blowing each other up because one side or the other would claim they are the true Islam. Barbarians.

Barbarians implies a semblance of humanity. Terrorists are animals, period.

116 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:08:35pm
117 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:09:03pm

re: #51 geata

I'm referring to the fact that they're bombing their own now, and I can't quite figure out why. Again, Pakistan was less surprising than this one, but it was still unexpected.

It's because we won in Iraq, we have a lot better info on who the real terrorists are, cooperation between intelligence agencies world wide is much greater, and all of the protections and anti terror measures are having some effect. The islamists are penned in Islamic countries now, ergo they blow up Muslims for the Caliphate instead of us.

118 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:09:21pm

Some interesting, although disjointed information from the NY Times on the bombing (I think they can be forgiven for the disjointedness, since nothing is really known.)

The bombing also occurred less than three months after Islamist inmates rioted at a prison outside the capital, taking hostages and engaging in gun battles with the authorities, in a confrontation that dragged on for weeks.
...
This month, Mr. Assad issued a warning about the presence of hard-line Sunni Islamists just across the border in northern Lebanon, hinting that they were receiving support from Saudi Arabia. Subsequently, thousands of Syrian troops were deployed near the border with northern Lebanon, in a move that was understood as a related gesture, though Syrian officials said it was to control smuggling.


I don't recall hearing about any of that.
The bombing occurred near a Shia shrine, so I doubt Iran is behind it (and therefore unlikely to be Hizballah or Hamas, which would be unlikely to act independently in this manner.)

119 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:10:10pm

re: #107 EIDE_Interface

He tried to get Ned Lamont elected. 'nuff said.

He may indeed have treid to get Lamont elected. What he DIDN'T do was make a documentary besmirching and lying about Joe Lieberman. What he didn't do was go on the lefty talk show circuit slamming Lieberman. he kept his roll as a PUBLIC FIGURE and a PRIVATE CITIZEN seperate

Nuff said

120 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:10:25pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

I just put my "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" bumpr sticker on my car, and I fully expect it to get keyed here in the People's Republic of St. Louis. So be it. People need to know that some people won't be intimidated.

121 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:12:14pm

re: #57 Palandine

We live near his Hole in the Wall camp for kids with cancer. Beautiful place, a worthy charity.Mr. Newman was occasionally seen shopping in a local Mom and Pop grocery, very pleasant man.

122 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:12:26pm

re: #113 psyop

If it weren't civilians dying, I would say let them blow each other up (whoever the "other" turns out to be, probably some sect of al Queda who thinks Syria isn't doing enough to fight the west).

I wonder if it wasn't a work accident, a failure in the transport.

An intersection of innocents seems a strange target. There were interesting targets nearby that would have been much more significant than just passersby at an intersection.

123 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:12:41pm

re: #118 transient

Good post.

Here's something which is POSSIBLY interesting, from the tail end of a J-Post article.

An intelligence building is also located in the area, but cars are not normally allowed to park nearby and it was not clear how close the bombing was to the building.

124 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:12:41pm

re: #118 transient

Some interesting, although disjointed information from the NY Times on the bombing (I think they can be forgiven for the disjointedness, since nothing is really known.)


I don't recall hearing about any of that.
The bombing occurred near a Shia shrine, so I doubt Iran is behind it (and therefore unlikely to be Hizballah or Hamas, which would be unlikely to act independently in this manner.)


I wouldn't write them out of it yet, they supplied Al Qaeda with a lot of munitions early on in Iraq. They are also the transit point from Pakistan to Iraq, sometimes the border is open, sometimes it's closed. Right now it's open.

125 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:12:58pm

re: #120 Palandine

I just put my "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" bumpr sticker on my car, and I fully expect it to get keyed here in the People's Republic of St. Louis. So be it. People need to know that some people won't be intimidated.

Yes, the intimidators need to be put in their place, and the way to do it is to refuse to be intimidated.

126 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:13:04pm

re: #120 Palandine

I just put my "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" bumpr sticker on my car, and I fully expect it to get keyed here in the People's Republic of St. Louis. So be it. People need to know that some people won't be intimidated.

yep, i'm going to do the yard sign thing and see if I get a brick through the window.
Maybe not: there really should be a whopping crapload of Obama signs where I am but not so much. remember a ton of kerry signs.

127 psyop  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:13:32pm

re: #120 Palandine

I just put my "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" bumpr sticker on my car, and I fully expect it to get keyed here in the People's Republic of St. Louis. So be it. People need to know that some people won't be intimidated.

Excellent bumper sticker. Wish your car good luck for me...

128 JSK1121  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:14:18pm

re: #122 Syrah

I wonder if it wasn't a work accident, a failure in the transport.

An intersection of innocents seems a strange target. There were interesting targets nearby that would have been much more significant than just passersby at an intersection.

They were Shia pilgrims, Sunni terrorists could have had something against them.

As for whether I mind this event or not, I tend to take Philip Sheridan's view on Native Americans when it comes to muslims.

129 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:14:59pm

re: #106 Typicalwhitey

Good stuff!

Just want to tell you that I'm full of admiration for all your effort and initiative!

130 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:15:03pm

re: #115 JSK1121
I would'nt insult animals.

131 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:15:23pm
132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:16:16pm

re: #123 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good post.

Here's something which is POSSIBLY interesting, from the tail end of a J-Post article.

An intelligence building is also located in the area, but cars are not normally allowed to park nearby and it was not clear how close the bombing was to the building.

More on the same, from Israeli National News:

The Syrian opposition pointed out that explosion took place near a building owned by Syrian intelligence officers, and suggested that the blast was caused by a training accident and was not a deliberate attack.

133 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:16:26pm

re: #131 ploome hineni
Obambi/Biden seem to have an uncanny knack for putting their feet in their mouths.

134 psyop  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:16:38pm

re: #122 Syrah

I wonder if it wasn't a work accident, a failure in the transport.

An intersection of innocents seems a strange target. There were interesting targets nearby that would have been much more significant than just passersby at an intersection.

This was (and probably still is, although not to the same extent) a tactic for several years in Iraq, including my entire deployment.

The purpose being riling up ethnic, racial and religious differences (in my personal experience, Sunni extremists blowing up Shiite civilians in an attempt to foment civil war and much wider destruction).

135 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:17:09pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

Looks like soemone is waking up to this - but will it make the MSM?
Will it raise the stink which deserves to be raised?

I doubt it ...

Hopefully the McCain campaign can use this, for exampe in one of the enxt debates ...

136 Wishing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:17:09pm

re: #106 Typicalwhitey

Most excellent TW...good work.

137 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:17:51pm
138 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:17:53pm

BTW, I'll stop trashing Paul Newman when the left stops trashing Charlton Heston.

139 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:20pm

re: #109 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In the 10 years since the new home to the Flyers & Sixers opened up in Philly, it's had three owners & three name changes - Core State Center, First Union Center; now Wachovia Center. Seems like stadium ownership is the kiss of death.

Core States bank was taken over by First Union bank, which merged or was taken over by Wachovia, so that is why the names changed. Stadium ownership was presumably part of the mergers/acquisitions. No extraordinary cause required.

My bank account was with Core States/FU/now Wachovia (and at least one small town branch before Core States, going waaay back). I hope things stabilize all around.

140 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:24pm

re: #128 JSK1121

They were Shia pilgrims, Sunni terrorists could have had something against them.

As for whether I mind this event or not, I tend to take Philip Sheridan's view on Native Americans when it comes to muslims.

Shia pilgrams may be target enough, but . . . I have my doubts. It may be that the intersection was as close as they could get witha car to the Security agency buildings.

As for Sheridan, I can hate Islam and not hate all Muslims. Sheridan was a clever wit, and an ass.

141 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:26pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

OT, maybe related to some of the comments about Obama:

Breaking: Gov. Matt Blunt Releases Statement Condemning Barack Obama's Missouri Goon Squads

it's abt. time.
it is so shocking that they had the nerve to go so public w/ this plan of intimidation. it is so flagrantly illegal. obama is no good commie. i wonder if stalin is his idol.

142 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:18:34pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

OT, maybe related to some of the comments about Obama:

Breaking: Gov. Matt Blunt Releases Statement Condemning Barack Obama's Missouri Goon Squads

Awesome. This story has gotten some serious legs. I expect Joyce and McCulloch will be on the news looking like whipped puppies soon. This sort of crap needs to be nipped in the bud, and fast.

143 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:19:24pm

re: #142 Tigger2005

Awesome. This story has gotten some serious legs. I expect Joyce and McCulloch will be on the news looking like whipped puppies soon. This sort of crap needs to be nipped in the bud, and fast.

Alas, the MSM will cover it up to make sure Barack wins.

144 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:19:44pm

re: #120 Palandine

I just put my "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" bumpr sticker on my car, and I fully expect it to get keyed here in the People's Republic of St. Louis. So be it. People need to know that some people won't be intimidated.

i'm going to put one on my beat up truck. if someone keys it, i won't even know.

145 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:19:45pm

re: #137 ploome hineni
Apparently they are not a technically savy as they claim to be. Once it is on the inter tubes it is there FOREVER! Morons.

146 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:20:23pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface

BTW, I'll stop trashing Paul Newman when the left stops trashing Charlton Heston.

you planning to commit voter fraud, sit in trees, tear down signs, burn down houses and car lots, spike trees, etc.... because they do it?

147 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:21:05pm

re: #146 spidly

you planning to commit voter fraud, sit in trees, tear down signs, burn down houses and car lots, spike trees, etc.... because they do it?

No, just trash Paul Newman. Although he makes a good salsa.

148 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:21:16pm

OT, but meanwhile ...some more news for you pirates ...

Ahem - thats more news from certain pirates!

149 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:21:58pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface
Paul Newman was not your typical Hollyweird liberal. 250 million of his own money to charity, not other peoples.

150 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:22:16pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface

BTW, I'll stop trashing Paul Newman when the left stops trashing Charlton Heston.

The far lefts vitriolic attack on Mr Heston was inexuseable. However, i have no problem with a sane liberal-moderate having issues with him in a respectful manner
There's a bit of a difference between Heston and Newman, not just ideologically, and if you're not aware of what that is I don't beleive I (or anyone) would be able to help.

151 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:22:26pm

re: #147 EIDE_Interface

Consider waiting one day to respect the traditions of our host. It's his custom not to immediately speak ill of the dead, if at all.

152 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:23:00pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface

BTW, I'll stop trashing Paul Newman when the left stops trashing Charlton Heston.

Paul Newman put his money where his mouth wasn't.
He was not a high-profile loudmouth activist, and concentrated on actually trying to help via donating and establishing charities. The bottom on the labels of his salad dressings indicated the after-tax profits went to charity, and that is where they went.

I do not trash the man. I disagree with his politics, yes. But I do not trash the man, and feel the world has lost someone worthwhile.

153 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:23:15pm

re: #151 jaunte

Consider waiting one day to respect the traditions of our host. It's his custom not to immediately speak ill of the dead, if at all.

Ok, I won't say anything more.

154 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:23:41pm

re: #152 jwb7605

Paul Newman put his money where his mouth wasn't.
He was not a high-profile loudmouth activist, and concentrated on actually trying to help via donating and establishing charities. The bottom on the labels of his salad dressings indicated the after-tax profits went to charity, and that is where they went.

I do not trash the man. I disagree with his politics, yes. But I do not trash the man, and feel the world has lost someone worthwhile.

He was a great actor. Very powerful in "Road to Perdition"

155 pingjockey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:23:52pm

BBL

156 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:00pm

re: #112 Palandine

I Am Not An Economist, but I find the whole thing disturbing. On the one hand, the government is fixing to take over massive numbers of bad mortgages. On the other hand, banks are getting bigger and bigger as they acquire other failing banks. We've got a socialist situation on the one hand, and a growing monopoly on the other hand. This seems like a bad idea.

I'm in favor of the rescue plan reluctantly, to stop the bleeding, but I'm not sure it will be able to save the patient.

That's why the only solution is for people to get involved in politics again. We cannot relax when and if this bailout goes through and possibly gives us some breathing room ... we have to make sure the underlying problems are addressed and fixed. The government has stepped in and broken up monopolies before, and sometimes the size of government has even shrunk, but it only happens if you elect energetic reformers and stay on their asses to make sure they do their jobs.

157 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:24pm

re: #153 EIDE_Interface

Ok, I won't say anything more.

I did kind of wonder what 'nuff said meant to you.

158 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:27pm

re: #148 yma o hyd

OT, but meanwhile ...some more news for you pirates ...

Ahem - thats more news from certain pirates!

The only way to deal with Pirates is brutally. They must be killed. No quarter. No rest. No safe havens.

159 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:33pm

Condemning the faults of the dead cannot hurt the dead, but extolling their virtues can inspire the living. Newman had faults and virtues, like the rest of us.

160 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:24:38pm

re: #144 nyc redneck

i'm going to put one on my beat up truck. if someone keys it, i won't even know.

Eh, my vehicle won't be paid off for a year (although I'm making extra payments to pay it off earlier than it's due because if God forbid Obama wins, the tax increases on the middle class will be crippling), but it's the principle of the thing. Obama will pull Saddam-esque numbers here in the 'Lou (I call 80% of the vote). We have an African-American majority, and poll after poll shows they will vote Obama 95%. Lots of liberals, and a serious ACORN infestation that will see record numbers of pets and dead people voting for the Messiah. The only reason it won't be an absolute rout is that the Catholic Archdiocesan newspaper is really flogging how Catholics cannot vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Obama takes St. Louis, Kansas City, and Columbia. The rest of the state will really need to get out the vote.

161 spidly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:25:44pm

re: #148 yma o hyd

OT, but meanwhile ...some more news for you pirates ...

Ahem - thats more news from certain pirates!

you'd think the russians would have those things lo-jacked.

162 descolada9  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:26:59pm

Well, if this ain't irony, I don't know what is.

163 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:27:41pm

re: #158 Syrah

The only way to deal with Pirates is brutally. They must be killed. No quarter. No rest. No safe havens.

Ahrrrr ...

164 vagabond trader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:27:54pm

Oddly, in this semi rural area of my very blue state, Nobama signs to be seen. I did take note of two Mac/Palin yardies. Lot of bitter clingy types here, that could be why.

165 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:07pm

re: #161 spidly

I wonder if the 'pirates' think the Russians will somehow be restrained in shelling their port.

166 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:30pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface

Paul Newman was a WW2 vet, and an American icon. Try to show a little respect. Thank you.

167 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:38pm

re: #160 Palandine

Eh, my vehicle won't be paid off for a year (although I'm making extra payments to pay it off earlier than it's due because if God forbid Obama wins, the tax increases on the middle class will be crippling), but it's the principle of the thing. Obama will pull Saddam-esque numbers here in the 'Lou (I call 80% of the vote). We have an African-American majority, and poll after poll shows they will vote Obama 95%. Lots of liberals, and a serious ACORN infestation that will see record numbers of pets and dead people voting for the Messiah. The only reason it won't be an absolute rout is that the Catholic Archdiocesan newspaper is really flogging how Catholics cannot vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Obama takes St. Louis, Kansas City, and Columbia. The rest of the state will really need to get out the vote.

I wonder if Obama will take KC. I was at the Memorial Day concert at the Liberty Memorial. Somehow I couldn't see many of those people voting for Obama. Not people who, practically every last one of them, gave a 5 minute standing ovation to a WWI veteran.

Yes, the city proper may go Obama, but the suburbs will be solidly McCain.

168 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:28:39pm

Here's a third citing the Syrian opposition as saying it was a "work accident". Y-Net.

I can't find the opposition's website.

169 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:29:28pm

re: #124 Thanos

I wouldn't write them out of it yet, they supplied Al Qaeda with a lot of munitions early on in Iraq. They are also the transit point from Pakistan to Iraq, sometimes the border is open, sometimes it's closed. Right now it's open.


I don't write Iran off because I don't think they'd attack Syria, but I think if the Iranians were going to attack a random civilian target in Syria they wouldn't choose a Shia pilgrimage site.

That said, the operative word is "random," and we don't really understand if it really was. Was the primary intent just to kill civilians--true terrorism--to disrupt Syrian society? Or is there an underlying political assassination of someone of importance to Syria/Iran, etc., who was most exposed when he, perhaps, stopped to go to the shrine, or approached the intelligence complex?

The other unknown is whether some internal Syrian power struggle might be involved.

170 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:30:46pm

re: #159 Pullus Iulius

Condemning the faults of the dead cannot hurt the dead, but extolling their virtues can inspire the living. Newman had faults and virtues, like the rest of us.

I've been a fan of his for years. I've given yearly to his Hole In The Wall Gang Camp. I disagree with his choice of politics, but have never seen nor read anything about him that indicated that his faults outweighed or even approached his virtues. As I stated upthread, as famous as he was, he did a very good job of keeping Paul Newman (celebrity) and Paul newman (private citizen) seperate

171 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:31:09pm

re: #111 spidly

wondered that myself. if you buy them up do you immediately fall under the sub-prime rules - so does JP have to start lending under these stupid rules now that it bought WaMu?

I suspect the CRA aspect was only minor.

What I've heard is that the rules for everyone have tightened up, I guess that is allowed under CRA.

I just started a gig at a place intimately involved with CDO backoffice, and am trying to sound out the natives. I have yet to locate the rocket scientists involved, they may not be at my facility.

172 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:31:51pm

re: #160 Palandine

Eh, my vehicle won't be paid off for a year (although I'm making extra payments to pay it off earlier than it's due because if God forbid Obama wins, the tax increases on the middle class will be crippling), but it's the principle of the thing. Obama will pull Saddam-esque numbers here in the 'Lou (I call 80% of the vote). We have an African-American majority, and poll after poll shows they will vote Obama 95%.

Blacks have been voting democrat en mass for a long time now. Apparently before Martin Luther King they were more likely to vote republican. So, something changed.

173 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:33:09pm

re: #169 transient

It could be a move to fire up the Shia vs. Sunni on either party's side, both have used false flag bombings in the past to do just that. Extremists both sides wish to encourage the coming of the Third fitna.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:33:22pm

Prolly a stupid question. But, how do they know it is 440 lbs of explosives?

I mean...it's blown up and everything. Could it have been 450 pounds? 350?

175 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:33:30pm

re: #169 transient

The other unknown is whether some internal Syrian power struggle might be involved.

(OT from my posts about it possibly being a work accident, but I can't resist the pun)

Are you saying that maybe someone's taking a ba'ath?

176 Wishing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:33:34pm

Wasnt MLK a registered Republican?

177 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:33:39pm

re: #165 jaunte

I wonder if the 'pirates' think the Russians will somehow be restrained in shelling their port.

The Russians are not there yet - its good business to get as much dosh as one can ...
Interesting that they're now into threats, that spokesman '... warned against any military action to release the ship, saying that anyone who tried “will be responsible for the consequences.”

Sounds as if some friends from the RoP have taken command.

178 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:34:12pm

re: #172 Archimedes

Blacks have been voting democrat en mass for a long time now. Apparently before Martin Luther King they were more likely to vote republican. So, something changed.

Johnson's "Great Society." It made too many of them dependent on welfare.

179 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:34:18pm

re: #176 Wishing

Wasnt MLK a registered Republican?

I learned that during the DNC, when some group put up bill boards that said exactly that.

180 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:35:09pm

re: #177 yma o hyd

The Russians are not there yet - its good business to get as much dosh as one can ...
Interesting that they're now into threats, that spokesman '... warned against any military action to release the ship, saying that anyone who tried “will be responsible for the consequences.”

Sounds as if some friends from the RoP have taken command.

When will the Russians realize we should be on the same side ... sigh.

181 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #170 sattv4u2

Quite right. I think the good he did will live long after his mistakes are forgotten. Perhaps something to which we all should aspire.

182 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #168 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Here's a third citing the Syrian opposition as saying it was a "work accident". Y-Net.

I can't find the opposition's website.

From that link:

"Meanwhile, Syrian opposition figures told Ynet that the explosion may in fact be a staged incident aimed at heightening fears of a growing radical Islamic threat, thereby presenting the Syrians with a pretext to deploy troops in Lebanon."

Haven't there been reports recently about Syria massing troops on the border to Lebanon?

183 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:36:23pm

re: #177 yma o hyd

The Russians are not there yet - its good business to get as much dosh as one can ...
Interesting that they're now into threats, that spokesman '... warned against any military action to release the ship, saying that anyone who tried “will be responsible for the consequences.”

Sounds as if some friends from the RoP have taken command.

Threats against hostages.

These cargo ship crews need to fight back as if their very lives depend on it, because they do.

184 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:36:35pm

re: #178 Tigger2005

Johnson's "Great Society." It made too many of them dependent on welfare.

I would never have believed it could cause such a change, to the tune of 95%. I mean, that's ridiculous.

I wonder if that should be renamed "Johnson's Mediocre Society".

185 Airedale  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:36:54pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prolly a stupid question. But, how do they know it is 440 lbs of explosives?

I mean...it's blown up and everything. Could it have been 450 pounds? 350?


I'm guessing 'undisclosed sources' are not at liberty to reveal who's phones are bugged

186 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:37:35pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prolly a stupid question. But, how do they know it is 440 lbs of explosives?

I mean...it's blown up and everything. Could it have been 450 pounds? 350?

Maybe they stopped at the truck scale on the way there?

187 psyop  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:37:51pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prolly a stupid question. But, how do they know it is 440 lbs of explosives?

I mean...it's blown up and everything. Could it have been 450 pounds? 350?

If they know what kind of explosive was used (from the residue left at the blast site), then it is relatively easy to determine how much was used (by studying crater size, blast radius and a myriad of other factors). Kind of like reverse engineering.

This is used all the time in combat to determine the size and type of ordinance used after the fact.

188 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:38:07pm

re: #180 Tigger2005

When will the Russians realize we should be on the same side ... sigh.

After Putin has joined his comrades and predecessors in the deepest hell ...

189 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:38:39pm

re: #172 Archimedes

I'm not sure you're aware of this, because, just as John Kerry never mentioned that he was in Vietnam, Obama NEVER mentions this, but he's half African. ;)

I'm not at all surprised at the numbers in the African-American community. It is historic that an African-American candidate has a probably better than even chance of becoming the next President and a reflection on the greatness of this country.

I personally think his policies would be a continuing tragedy for the Black community, but I certainly don;t begrudge them their vote.

190 Bungie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:38:53pm

re: #120 Palandine

I just put my "Strong Girls Vote Palin/McCain" bumpr sticker on my car, and I fully expect it to get keyed here in the People's Republic of St. Louis. So be it. People need to know that some people won't be intimidated.

I've been driving around Arizona and even Southern California in my Volvo wagon with a "Women for McCain" bumper sticker in the rear window since the 1st of August and no keying yet. I figure if John McCain could stand up to the N. Vietnamese, etc, etc, standing up to a little social pressure is the least we can do.

191 Scion9  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:39:03pm

The Syrian ruling class are Alawite. Other Shi'a consider them heretical, and of course Sunni are no friends either. On top of that the Alawite are very 'Masonic' in that they practive secrecy in regards to their specific beliefs, making the subject of lots of conspiracy theories and suspicion in the Arab world.

They also have a current commitment to 'secularism' as a policy for ruling Syria, or at least what passes for it in Muslim Arab country. Their close ties to the Soviets (and apparently still with Russia) put them on a political path not too different from Ba'ath's Arab Nationalism. Which is of course a powerful secularist Arab-centric political philosophy being perpetuated by apostates to both the Saudi and Iranian versions of Islam. They are a prime target, just not as prime as the Jews, Hindus and Christians.

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:39:16pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prolly a stupid question. But, how do they know it is 440 lbs of explosives?

I mean...it's blown up and everything. Could it have been 450 pounds? 350?

silly FBG,, the cab went through one of those weigh stations 1st !

193 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:39:25pm

re: #178 Tigger2005

I still have a stack of free tickets we were giving out in the Goldwater campaign. They say "This is your FREE TICKET. It's not good for anything, but it's FREE. Compliments of the Great Society."

194 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:39:49pm

re: #177 yma o hyd

So the pirates have a week to hide before the frigate Neustrashimy arrives. Given the Russian record in hostage situations, I would not want to be among the 35 hostages.

195 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:40:20pm

re: #160 Palandine

Eh, my vehicle won't be paid off for a year (although I'm making extra payments to pay it off earlier than it's due because if God forbid Obama wins, the tax increases on the middle class will be crippling), but it's the principle of the thing. Obama will pull Saddam-esque numbers here in the 'Lou (I call 80% of the vote). We have an African-American majority, and poll after poll shows they will vote Obama 95%. Lots of liberals, and a serious ACORN infestation that will see record numbers of pets and dead people voting for the Messiah. The only reason it won't be an absolute rout is that the Catholic Archdiocesan newspaper is really flogging how Catholics cannot vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Obama takes St. Louis, Kansas City, and Columbia. The rest of the state will really need to get out the vote.

i would love to see mccain take missouri.

196 Airedale  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:40:33pm

re: #177 yma o hyd

The Russians are not there yet - its good business to get as much dosh as one can ...
Interesting that they're now into threats, that spokesman '... warned against any military action to release the ship, saying that anyone who tried “will be responsible for the consequences.”

Sounds as if some friends from the RoP have taken command.

All fisshing boats beyond the 12 mile limit with RPG's and AK-47's as "fishing gear" should be sunk on the spot.
Toss a few lifejackets into the bloody chum created as a result.
It's giving them an honest shot at survival.
allah will decide if they are worthy to reach land.

I'm sure Tom Jefferson would see it that way

197 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:40:49pm

Just got a pro-Obama phone call. I didn't pick it up, but the left a message: "John McCain is giving tax cuts to companies that are shipping jobs over seas...." oh brother.

198 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:41:00pm

re: #181 Pullus Iulius

Quite right. I think the good he did will live long after his mistakes are forgotten. Perhaps something to which we all should aspire.

believing that one politician is better than another for the state he lives in is a "mistake" ?

And here I thought voting was a personal choice!

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:41:18pm

re: #187 psyop

Thanks. I think it is interesting that they know it was four hundred and forty pounds of explosives..but, think it might have been a cab.

200 psyop  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:41:25pm

re: #197 Archimedes

Just got a pro-Obama phone call. I didn't pick it up, but the left a message: "John McCain is giving tax cuts to companies that are shipping jobs over seas...." oh brother.

Perhaps they are shipping jobs overseas because taxes are too high here....

201 experiencedtraveller  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:41:38pm

re: #188 yma o hyd

After Putin has joined his comrades and predecessors in the deepest hell ...

After another hellish attack ala Breslin...

202 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:41:53pm

re: #194 jaunte

So the pirates have a week to hide before the frigate Neustrashimy arrives. Given the Russian record in hostage situations, I would not want to be among the 35 hostages.

No - they must hope that someone is prepared to raise the ransom ...
Now those tanks were going to Kenya - hm, don't think the kleptocrats there would like to shell out for thei tanks.

203 astronmr20  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:41:55pm

re: #147 EIDE_Interface

No, just trash Paul Newman. Although he makes a good salsa.

Go away, or find an open thread to be a Moby in.

204 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:42:30pm

re: #79 Syrah

The drudge poll is still up, with McCain in an astounding lead.

Like all internet polls, it has no validity. Remember Ron Paul's incredible showings? The best information we'll have about the effect of the debate will be how the electronic futures markets respond. Get Iowa electronic market price historyWe won't know until Monday what the smart money thinks.

205 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:43:05pm

re: #172 Archimedes

Blacks have been voting democrat en mass for a long time now. Apparently before Martin Luther King they were more likely to vote republican. So, something changed.


My understanding is that African-Americans voted for the party of Lincoln until Johnson's anti-segregation policies. Then they switched to the party of Johnson. Different party approaches to things like affirmative action contribute to the persistence of the voting pattern.

206 zuckerlilly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:43:22pm

re: #6 Charles

Possibly Sunni extremists angry at either Syria's Iranian connections, or the fact that the regime is too secular for them.

Car Bombing in Damascus Was an Accident

As information seeps from the effects of today’s bombing in Damascus, RPS has learned that the cause of the explosion was a small pick-up truck exiting from the garage of the Palestine branch located about 2kms from the sacred shrine of Sit Zaynab on al-Muthalak al-Jounoubi Road.

The Palestine Branch of the Syrian Mukhabarat where the explosion occurred is headed by none other than Gen. Suleiman Dayoub, a follower of Assef Shawkat who was head of the Military Intelligence in Syria. The Military Intelligence is responsible for rigging suicide cars later to be sent to Iraq or Lebanon.

RPS also learned that most of those killed are not civilians, as has been portrayed by the Syrian authorities, but rather internal security men who were in proximity of the explosion.

The target in question is a low-level, low-security target for any attempt by terrorists to take action against. Many more important and less guarded targets exist inside Syria that would have made a larger impact, if attacked, than a garage depot for a security apparatus. This leads RPS to question the voracity of the Syrian authorities when they claim the bombing was an act of terror against the Syrian regime.

207 Scion9  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:43:25pm

re: #191 Scion9

Now that I think about, I'm pretty sure Ba'ath actually got its start in Syria.

208 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:44:33pm

re: #195 nyc redneck

Bush won in 2000 (with no help from me--I was Libertarian at the time and voted Harry Browne) and 2004. I think, barring shenanigans on a massive scale, McCain will win Missouri.

Will there then be race riots in my fair city? Who knows? But my Mossberg 500 comforts me.

209 psyop  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:45:25pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No problem. One of the things about most modern explosives is that they are extremely predictable. 4 pounds of C4 always blows up with the same amount of force. It comes in handy when determining what kind of bomb to drop to destroy the target, but not surrounding structures. Good for urban wars (like the one we are currently engaged in.)

210 yma o hyd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:45:54pm

re: #196 Airedale

There was a time in the not too distant past when the Royal Navy controlled these (and other) pirate-infested coasts ...

Sometimes, in a quiet moment, I ponder the question if colonialism was really so very very bad for the peoples now suffering from constant war, kleptocrtas, famine, piracy, lawlessness ...

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:08pm

re: #201 experiencedtraveller

Putin went to the Keyser Söze school of hostage negotiations.

212 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:22pm

re: #189 Palandine

I'm not sure you're aware of this, because, just as John Kerry never mentioned that he was in Vietnam, Obama NEVER mentions this, but he's half African. ;)

Okay, I'm confused. Does me mention it or not? I guess you're saying he does.


I'm not at all surprised at the numbers in the African-American community. It is historic that an African-American candidate has a probably better than even chance of becoming the next President and a reflection on the greatness of this country.

I'm not just referring to this election. Blacks have voted in the 90% range for liberals for a quite a while now. I'm sure Kerry got about that much.


I personally think his policies would be a continuing tragedy for the Black community, but I certainly don;t begrudge them their vote.

I don't look at it that way. I look at it as an issue of right and wrong. Guys who will tax and regulate us to the nth degree are not good for anyone.

213 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:42pm

re: #204 lostlakehiker

Like all internet polls, it has no validity. Remember Ron Paul's incredible showings? The best information we'll have about the effect of the debate will be how the electronic futures markets respond. Get Iowa electronic market price historyWe won't know until Monday what the smart money thinks.

Speaking specifically to Ron Paul's incredible showing, the Drudge poll is really only useful is seeing how much energy the Obamatons are willing to put into creating the impression that Obama is universally loved.

I expected the Drudge poll to be spammed into Obamalivian by this morning. It hasn't been. Its is not that the poll is difficult to spam, it is actually very easy, it is that they have not had the emotional drive to do so. That is what is significant about that poll.

214 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:43pm

re: #208 Palandine

Bush won in 2000 (with no help from me--I was Libertarian at the time and voted Harry Browne) and 2004. I think, barring shenanigans on a massive scale, McCain will win Missouri.

Will there then be race riots in my fair city? Who knows? But my Mossberg 500 comforts me.

nice.

215 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:44pm

re: #200 psyop

Perhaps they are shipping jobs overseas because taxes are too high here....

Well said.

216 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:46:54pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface

Paul Newman appears to have behaved in an honorable way. He should be responded to in the same manner. There are plenty of trash hollyweirds to deal with in an appropriate manner.

217 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:47:11pm

re: #149 pingjockey

I'm kinda curious as to how many years (and plugs) it would take in order for Biden to be as charitable as Paul Newman. I mean, I think it will take a calculator and some cryogenics to catch up.

218 Mardukhai  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:47:23pm

The Reform Party of Syria, a pro-US exile group, calls the bombing a work accident:

More on the Bombing in Syria

September 27, 2008 //RPS Staff// - An eyewitness to the bombing in Syria this morning has divulged to RPS that the location of the explosion was on the road to Sit Zaynab, the Shiite shrine, outside a Syrian intelligence car depot that belongs to the Palestine branch of the Syrian Mukhabarat on the Mithalak al-Jounoubi road.

The eyewitness was driving from Sit Zaynab on his way to Damascus and was about 250 meters from the explosion and some twenty minutes from Damascus. According to his account, his car was lifted some 30 centimeters in the air immediately after the explosion took place. The eyewitness was able to identify four dead bodies not too far from the explosion.

Immediately, after the explosion, security services descended upon the scene and started pushing people away for fear that cameras could be used.

He confirmed directly to RPS that the explosion took place outside the courtyard of the car depot, which disseminated the cement wall surrounding the compound adjacent to the entrance gate.

The Palestine Branch of the Syrian Mukhabarat is known for its suicide car building expertise. From the eyewitness account, it is possible to assume that one of their cars exploded prematurely as it was leaving the depot.

219 dave in NC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:47:33pm

re: #208 Palandine

ammo up!

220 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:47:34pm

This just popped into my head, but hopefully some bright 527 has considered it before.

An Obama surrogate was on Fox earlier flogging the same Joe Biden line that McCain never mentioned the middle class in the debate.

Wouldn't this be an EXCELLENT time to mention the principles of Trinity United Church of Christ, one of which was a complete disavowal of "middleclassness"? Obama was taught for 20 years by his pastor to revile the middle class. Whre did this new-found love come from?

221 transient  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:48:13pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. I think it is interesting that they know it was four hundred and forty pounds of explosives..but, think it might have been a cab.


They are still waiting for the tests to determine whether the naugahyde seats were duct-taped to confirm that the vehicle was, in fact, a taxi.

222 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:49:01pm

re: #204 lostlakehiker

Like all internet polls, it has no validity. Remember Ron Paul's incredible showings? The best information we'll have about the effect of the debate will be how the electronic futures markets respond. Get Iowa electronic market price historyWe won't know until Monday what the smart money thinks.

Yeah, that's on the drudge report. That heavily sways toward republicans, I'm sure.

223 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:49:09pm
224 Airedale  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:49:20pm

re: #194 jaunte

So the pirates have a week to hide before the frigate Neustrashimy arrives. Given the Russian record in hostage situations, I would not want to be among the 35 hostages.

Maybe the Russians will lash the pirates whaleboates to the stern of their ship and take them for a "Nantucket boat ride" a feww hundred mile out to sea ?

hey, it could happen but I'm sure the jihadi's many wives will win the hearts and minds of the bleeding heart lib western MSM .

Still, sink anything under 40 ft in length carrying more ammo needed for "a three hour pleasure cruise"

jmo,
looking forward to a repeat of actions in the Straits of Mallacca by undisclosed navies of the world

225 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:51:04pm

re: #216 FamHistoryGuy

Paul Newman appears to have behaved in an honorable way. He should be responded to in the same manner. There are plenty of trash hollyweirds to deal with in an appropriate manner.

Ok, I'll go after Matt Damon now. He is a true asshat who deserves it.

226 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:52:01pm

re: #225 EIDE_Interface

Ok, I'll go after Matt Damon now. He is a true asshat who deserves it.

Unless Damon died today, have at it.

227 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:52:57pm

re: #224 Airedale

I think if the Somalis were familiar with Russian history, they would have quickly released the ship after they knew what they had captured. Now they're going to have to learn the hard way.

228 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:53:20pm

the anger never ends.

229 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:54:06pm

re: #226 debutaunt

LOL. Major spewage.

230 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:54:13pm

re: #223 ploome hineni

so the Black community deserves all the Cynthia McKinneys and C. Ray Nagins and Marion Barrys they get?

lol

People deserve who they vote for. If the Messiah wins, I won't be one of those folks like you see on kos railing against the stupid "sheeple." If the will of the people is Obama, then my will is to really up my preparations for economic and political disaster.

231 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:54:53pm

re: #227 jaunte

Now they're going to have to learn the hard way.

232 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:56:36pm

re: #210 yma o hyd

There was a time in the not too distant past when the Royal Navy controlled these (and other) pirate-infested coasts ...


Sometimes, in a quiet moment, I ponder the question if colonialism
was really so very very bad for the peoples now suffering from constant
war, kleptocrtas, famine, piracy, lawlessness ...

As do I. I'm reading a book now about mercenaries, particularly in Africa, esp. Sierra Leone & the mind-boggling horrors inflicted upon the people there by the RUF rebels - sponsored by Khadafi (interesting how one never hears howls of complaint against Libyan imperialism) pale to anything that may have happened there under British rule.

233 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:57:13pm

List of flag officers for McCain. My old Commanding Officer Frank Donovan is on the list. He was interesting. Enlisted then got sent to the Naval Academy. Worked his way up from Division Officer to Department Head on the USS The Sullivans. Got Command of his own Fleet Ocean Tug as a Lieutenant. Then had increasingly important Amphibious Warfare Commands. He was at one point the Commandant of Midshipmen at Annapolis. Was in charge of the evacuation of the PLO from Beirut in 1982. Was already selected for Rear Admiral before he commanded the Belleau Wood, an amphibious transport the size of a small aircraft carrier. He then ran Military Sealift Command and Navy Military Personnel Command before retiring at three star rank. A religious man he did not casually curse. One day he ran into a dogging wrench that slipped and caught him right in the groin when I called him to the Bridge. He sank to his knees and I learned all the saint's names. Was afraid that I'd killed him, maybe did kill my career. He is sailor at heart.

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:57:21pm

re: #226 debutaunt

Unless Damon died today, have at it.

For the record...is it okay to make fun of the "splodeydopes" for whom our thread is dedicated?

235 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:57:21pm

OT; not that media bias is news to us lizards - a quick listen to AM radio -- ABC news offered up a biased reporting of the proposed bailout. Basically the holy and precious democrats won't accept a "blank check" but they agree with the President. (so big of them) and of course Harry Reid is given the microphone to explain it all.

No mention of the corrupt slush funds to various left-wing groups. No mention of the fact that the democrats bad decisions got us into this mess.

236 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:57:30pm

re: #225 EIDE_Interface

Ok, I'll go after Matt Damon now. He is a true asshat who deserves it.

Maaaaat Damon!

237 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:57:56pm

Matt Damon is a retard.

238 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:58:06pm

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For the record...is it okay to make fun of the "splodeydopes" for whom our thread is dedicated?

Absolutely!

239 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:59:01pm

&#9836 &#9834 Good afternoon {lizards!} &#9834 &#9836

Time to relax, chores are done, dinner's ready to go and I see the Religion of Pieces have had another bake sale.

Loverly people.

240 debutaunt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:59:02pm

re: #237 EIDE_Interface

Matt Damon is a retard.

Amazing. You chose the one word that would upset lizards.

241 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:59:06pm

re: #226 debutaunt

Unless Damon died today, have at it.

his career kinda is

242 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 12:59:29pm

re: #240 debutaunt

Amazing. You chose the one word that would upset lizards.

Why?

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:00:48pm

re: #237 EIDE_Interface

Matt Damon is a retard.

I don't mind quiet moonbatty types. Really admired Mr. Newman.

Matt Damon? Eh...not so much.

244 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:01:10pm

OT:
A response from Governor of Missouri regarding Obama's goon squads.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment. This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights."

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:01:22pm

re: #242 EIDE_Interface

Why?

why? why did you choose it,,? How the hell do we know !

246 wahabicorridor  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:01:37pm
247 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

his career kinda is

There's gotta be some more Bourne books that he could bastardize - The Bourne Indigestion, The Bourne Defenestration, etc. In the books, the bad guys were terrorists, in the movies, the USA. Of course.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:03:10pm

re: #242 EIDE_Interface

There are many Lizards with disabled children. You can call him anything else, just shy away from the R word. For many Lizards (otherwise very thick skinned folks), the R word makes them as emotional as my wife gets when I use the C word.

Chocolate! I meant Chocolate!

249 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:03:36pm

re: #246 wahabicorridor

Oh jeez. Fortis will fail on Monday apparently

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public /Articles/000/000/015/636zbhel.asp

And Wachovia too. Can you say "cascading failure"?

250 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:04:02pm

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are many Lizards with disabled children. You can call him anything else, just shy away from the R word. For many Lizards (otherwise very thick skinned folks), the R word makes them as emotional as my wife gets when I use the C word.

Chocolate! I meant Chocolate!

Sure thing. Matt Damon is an asshat.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:05:02pm

re: #250 EIDE_Interface

Sure thing. Matt Damon is an asshat.

You can say that all you want. Mandy knows a few good words too.

252 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:05:10pm

Matt Damon is also an assclown.

253 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:05:11pm

re: #250 EIDE_Interface

Sure thing. Matt Damon is an asshat.

Well now you're just insulting asshats!
/

254 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:05:35pm

WHOA - The bailout if filled with corrupt Democrat graft. ACORN slush fund still there - and it's worse.

Much of the blogosphere is up in arms because of the provision in Senator Dodd’s financial bailout bill that might funnel profits from the bailout plan to ACORN Housing (related to the disreputable activist group ACORN), and other more reputable service organizations.

I have read Dodd’s proposed statute and in some respects, it is far worse than has been reported. Senator Dodd has placed a loophole in the bill that is explicitly designed to siphon off tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to the Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund even if there are no net profits in the $700 billion venture.

255 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:06:44pm

re: #79 Syrah

Alas, all the other tracking polls say Obambi won:

A pair of one-night polls gave Barack Obama a clear edge over John McCain in their first presidential debate. Fifty-one percent said Obama, the Democrat, did a better job in Friday night's faceoff while 38 percent preferred the Republican McCain, according to a CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey of adults...

...In a CBS News poll of people not committed to a candidate, 39 percent said Obama won the debate, 24 percent said McCain and 37 percent called it a tie. Twice as many said Obama understands their needs than said so about McCain.

256 TheMatrix31  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:07:11pm

Any more of a consensus or a national poll of some sort regarding the debate last night? I figure the initial impressions are out and people can process it a bit more.

257 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:07:14pm

re: #255 joncelli

Alas, all the other tracking polls say Obambi won:

Alas, I weep for our nation.

258 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:07:15pm

re: #244 FrogMarch

OT:
A response from Governor of Missouri regarding Obama's goon squads.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Any resemblance between the democrat party today and Jefferson's ideal is only a coincidence.

259 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:08:26pm

{DRUDGE POLL} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
68% 251,620
OBAMA
30% 111,000
NEITHER
2% 9,268

Total Votes: 371,888

260 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:08:43pm

re: #259 FrogMarch

{DRUDGE POLL} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
68% 251,620
OBAMA
30% 111,000
NEITHER
2% 9,268

Total Votes: 371,888

Irrelevant internet polls.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:09:17pm

re: #252 EIDE_Interface

Matt Damon is also an assclown.

Eide, just so you know (nothing personal) I pronounce your nic "Eydie" Like in Eydie Gormet or Edie Adams.

262 shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:09:33pm

re: #203 astronmr20

And another person figures it out. Do not feed.

263 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:10:08pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eide, just so you know (nothing personal) I pronounce your nic "Eydie" Like in Eydie Gormet or Edie Adams.

That's good to know.. Um, ah ok.

264 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:10:32pm

Feed me, feed me.

265 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:10:45pm

Kos Hungry, kos kill!

266 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:13:13pm

Reminder-- Keep passing this around!

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

267 Little Old Engineer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:15:51pm

I feel very sad that our world is having so much trouble with the Left. They only want to kill. They don't care if it is a child or a beautiful woman. Look how the Left is going after the Governor of Alaska because she knows how to hunt or she knows how to get a job done. I have a friend that just amazes me. He said that he wish that some one would get these people on the Right into hell soon. I don’t think that the Right is like that.

I have friends that went down to Louisiana to help after the big Hurricane. They said that they were amazed that the people down there in New Orleans believed that the Republicans were the ones that caused them harm. One of my friends’ ask them if they every met a Republican and they said no but if they did they would kill them. Wow

The Left thinks that it is OK to do anything they have to do, to get into power so they can fix things and then get rid of the Right.

How did this come to be?

268 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:16:58pm

re: #129 yma o hyd

Hey Thank you!

269 shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:19:18pm

re: #267 Little Old Engineer

I feel very sad that our world is having so much trouble with the Left. They only want to kill. They don't care if it is a child or a beautiful woman. Look how the Left is going after the Governor of Alaska because she knows how to hunt or she knows how to get a job done. I have a friend that just amazes me. He said that he wish that some one would get these people on the Right into hell soon. I don’t think that the Right is like that.

I have friends that went down to Louisiana to help after the big Hurricane. They said that they were amazed that the people down there in New Orleans believed that the Republicans were the ones that caused them harm. One of my friends’ ask them if they every met a Republican and they said no but if they did they would kill them. Wow

The Left thinks that it is OK to do anything they have to do, to get into power so they can fix things and then get rid of the Right.

How did this come to be?


MSM Media demonizing Republicans. How else?

270 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:28:38pm

re: #267 Little Old Engineer

Republicans are the new Jews. We are second class citizens. If the left could - I am convinced we would all be jailed or killed.

271 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:36:28pm

re: #47 eon

What I want to know is, if the Islamic world is so poor and underprivileged (and it's All Our Fault), where in the Hell do they keep getting the cars they blow up?

I've seen enough aftermath photos to know that they generally aren't cheap ones. And I'd expect a taxi to be especially watched after. (A company-owned one will be signed in and out; one that is a family's major income source will be watched like a hawk on a mouse.)

It amazes me that anyone in the region outside of Israel would willingly own a car, for fear of ending up as a bit player in the local maniacs' latest act of homicidal self-dramatization.

Or a victim of same.

cheers

eon

Probably a lot of them come right off your street, or mine. (Well, probably not mine, as they don't seem to be blowing up a lot of tractors.) Seriously, though, the Middle East, Lebanon in particular, is one of the main destinations for cars which are stolen in North America by organized rings, stuffed into containers, and shipped overseas.

272 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:36:55pm

Live by the sword....

273 Bubbaman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:39:13pm

re: #270 FrogMarch

Republicans are the new Jews. We are second class citizens. If the left could - I am convinced we would all be jailed or killed.

The problem is too many Joos are Demoncraps. With the kook fringe running the Demoncraps, the Jooish support is just astounding.

274 BBev  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:55:09pm

re: #270 FrogMarch

Republicans are the new Jews. We are second class citizens. If the left could - I am convinced we would all be jailed or killed.

As I said on the last thread Obama's people are knocking on doors again here in New Hampshire and they has an "In your face attitude"

275 de La Valette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 1:56:47pm

I doubt that car bomb was meant as a terrorist attack. The list of victims or who survived will probably show it to a assassination attempt or payback on one of the small clans. Politics have always been a little rough in Syria.

276 talon_262  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:12:46pm

re: #138 EIDE_Interface

BTW, I'll stop trashing Paul Newman when the left stops trashing Charlton Heston.

You know, you really are an asshole...Newman may have supported Lamont over Lieberman, but like many of his political and personal dealings, he was relatively low-key as compared to most Hollywood chuckleheads (and always has been, IIRC). The only thing that I've ever seen or heard Newman promote outside his movie work (and even that was light compared to the normal Hollyweird self-promotion) is his charitible work (his The Hole in the Wall Gang camp for kids with cancer, among others). Even his Newman's Own dressing and popcorn lines aren't highly advertised like many brands and they are everywhere (even at McDonald's for their salads) and his profits from that largely go to charities, his and others.

Paul Newman may have been left-leaning in his politics, but his classy demeanor and charity put most of liberals (in Hollywood and elsewhere) to shame...he was a guy who you could have sat down, had a beer with, and have some good conversation with. He was a man with few equals, either professionally or personally.

EIDE, if you don't have anything else to do but speak ill of the dead, you probably should just shut your trap before someone punches you in the mouth (figuratively speaking, of course).

277 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:19:22pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. I think it is interesting that they know it was four hundred and forty pounds of explosives..but, think it might have been a cab.

Welcome to the wonderful world of significant figures. Undoubtedly, the original estimate of 200 kg was done in a metric environment, and was based upon the observed effects of the blast.

The estimate is probably accurate to within an order of magnitude: i.e. it was clearly more than 20 kilos, and clearly less than 200. It's probably more accurate than that. I'm sure there are tables available that can tell you how much explosive was expended, based upon depth/radius of the crater, and by how far distant from the explosion center there were windows broken. Stuff like that.

When the news report is processed for a U.S. audience, the agency's editor will say, "Hmmm, 200 kilograms, eh? Since a kilo is 2.2 pounds, that equals 440 pounds, right?" and punches in that figure. He never realizes that he has been given a figure "precise" to one significant figure (the leading "2", the zeroes being mere placeholders), and then converted it to a value with two significant figures, giving that estimate a degree of precision which the original author never claimed.

It would be more appropriate, in this case, to say "estimated at upwards of 400 pounds."

278 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:22:42pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prolly a stupid question. But, how do they know it is 440 lbs of explosives?

I mean...it's blown up and everything. Could it have been 450 pounds? 350?


Good point ;-).

440 pounds is 200 kilograms; I'm guessing that 200 sounded like a good round number to somebody. I never expect a lot of accuracy out of MSM first reports anymore, especially from the stringers and fauxtographers that infest that part of the world.

279 shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 2:49:28pm

re: #276 talon_262


And another one figures it out.

Do not feed.

280 So?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 4:27:52pm

I guess since Israel put up their apartheid wall, the terrorist cowards have no choice but to kill their own. I guess someone was itching to meet some virgins.

281 fmfnavydoc  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:03:21pm

Newman gave all of the profits, after taxes, from his "Newman's Own" line of food products to charity and started up the "Hole-In-The-Wall Gang" Charity for terminally ill kids. How many in Hollywood would do that in this age?

This attack may be the work of the Mossad...they like putting explosives in the cars of terrorists...especially in the headrest....

282 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:17:01pm

re: #225 EIDE_Interface

Ok, I'll go after Matt Damon now. He is a true asshat who deserves it.

And will continue to deserve it even when he's 83 and suffering every illness known to moonbat.

283 fenboy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:30:55pm

I'll say this. Even if your a Baathist fascist (expletive preemtively deleted), that doesn't mean the headhackers won't kill you and yours in a heartbeat.

284 chuck601  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:57pm

I' sure they will announce that it was Israel that did it.

285 Joel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:10:50pm

re: #12 EIDE_Interface

So what exactly is the point of this? They can't do it in Tel Aviv, so they MUST splodeydope SOMEWHERE and anywhere will do? God, what a bunch of nihilists!

Nihilists is a term I have used quite often on LGF to describe the Palestinians and all their Arab/Muslim brethren.


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