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 RetweetTech Note: Stinky's Refactoring Binge

Science | Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:34:06 pm PDT

Stinky Beaumont is project-managing a major code refactoring process this weekend, that we’ve been putting off because it’s painful. We’re talking duplicated code. Global variables. Inconsistent variable naming. Remnants from the days before we started coding smart, instead of just getting it working. It’s not all like this, but the Ajax-based comments code in particular still had a funny smell in some neglected corners. In other words, it worked but it wasn’t sleek.

We’re replacing duplicated code with object methods, or functions where the procedural code still needs more untangling. Replacing global variables with constants where possible, object properties where not.

It’s happening bit by bit, piece by piece, step by step. While loop by function call. Much of the ‘new comments’ logic has now been refactored in this way, and the front page and daily archives pages now use a common display interface.

And with that, I’m opening registration for a very limited time.

UPDATE at 9/27/08 5:45:20 pm:

Here’s a tip that comes in handy for eliminating global variables in PHP.

Constants are very useful for this purpose. They’re automatically available in the global scope. But they’re limited to numbers or strings. No arrays. Bummer.

But you can define an array, then serialize it and define the resulting serialized string as a constant. Then when you need to use it, even within a function or object method, you can simply unserialize the array and you’re good to go. For example, to define the serialized array:

$myItems = array('item1', 'item2', 'item3');
define('MY_ITEMS', serialize($myItems));

Then, to access the “array constant:”

$array = unserialize(MY_ITEMS);

UPDATE at 9/28/08 9:54:46 am:

LGF reader “scrad” pointed out that you can access any variable in the global scope (including arrays and objects) by using PHP's $GLOBALS array. The above example could also be coded this way (eliminating the overhead of the serialize/unserialize functions):

$myItems = array('item1', 'item2', 'item3');

To access the second item in the array:

$item2 = $GLOBALS['myItems'][1];

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1 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:35:24pm

Speaking of recipes, anyone got a good one for troll buttocks?

2 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:35:31pm

Stand up stinky, let em see ya

3 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:36:02pm

Cool. I refactor my code all the time. Always strive for greater elegance and simplicity!

4 CynicalConservative  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:36:04pm

I need a vacation, I understood everything Charles just said. Beer!

5 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:37:10pm

I have to say that LGF is the most advanced blog site in the world. Nobody else can claim to have so many dynamic content features!

6 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:38:21pm
still had a funny smell in some neglected corners

I'll bet Stinky is good with that kind of thing.

7 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:38:29pm

ALL HAIL CHARLES AND STINKY!

8 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:38:34pm

Stinky got out the coderrooter!

9 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:38:37pm

re: #2 Shug

Stand up stinky, let em see ya

oh god love ya Chuck, what am i talking about?

10 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:38:48pm

Success in life is 10% technical, 90% understanding people...

Go get 'em, Mr B! :D

11 vxbush  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:40:04pm
It’s not all like this, but the Ajax-based comments code in particular still had a funny smell in some neglected corners. In other words, it worked but it wasn’t sleek.

You know, bleach can work wonders on those nasty smells.

/

12 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:40:09pm

Welcome to the Newbies.

13 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:40:40pm
Much of the ‘new comments’ logic has now been refactored in this way

Will this help keep it from freezing up on particularly active nights?

14 saberry0530  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:40:44pm

NEw gamey buttocks and old code! WHat a combination!

15 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:40:52pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

Welcome to the Newbies.

Oh yes, that too.

16 vxbush  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:41:44pm

Newbies? Ahem. Hatchlings. Former eggs.

17 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:42:12pm

Welcome aboard New people.

18 GM_Yitzhak  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:42:24pm

Monitor Lizard laser scanning active as usual I assume.

19 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:28pm

re: #1 victor_yugo

Speaking of recipes, anyone got a good one for troll buttocks?

Don't have one myself, but it would probably go good with the "jerk marinade" that was posted on the last thread. :)

20 Spellcheck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:31pm

I got in on the last opening, but haven't had a chance to post until now. I still probably won't post very often, but I've been reading for years.

So, hi, everybody!

21 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:38pm

re: #16 vxbush

Newbies? Ahem. Hatchlings. Former eggs.

No, no. Newbies. Not all hatchlings are new...

22 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:43:45pm

I smell mathematics!

/where's my chocolate?!

23 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:44:08pm

Welcome Hatchlings! First round's on y'all!

24 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:45:17pm

re: #20 Spellcheck

Welcome, Spellcheck!

25 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:45:32pm

re: #18 GM_Yitzhak

Monitor Lizard laser scanning active as usual I assume.

Monitor Lizard at work.

26 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:47:14pm

re: #20 Spellcheck

Spellcheck,

I feel as though I know you already! ;-)

Welcome!

27 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:47:30pm

re: #20 Spellcheck

I got in on the last opening, but haven't had a chance to post until now. I still probably won't post very often, but I've been reading for years.

So, hi, everybody!

So tyou're teh spel;lcheck people keep telling me about

welcome

28 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:48:43pm

Welcome to all the Newbies...and I think I am glad that I don't understand a word that Charles says on these tech threads...I just want to set back and enjoy all the fine features on the site...and so glad Charles knows what he is doing.

29 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:48:45pm

Come on, young Lizards...join The Lizard Army.

"Johnson’s lizard army,...has thousands of eyes and thousands of ears."

Resistance is futile.

30 njimby  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:50:12pm

I'm a newbie, but have been reading since '04
Also I type slow.
Glad to be here.

31 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:50:30pm

re: #29 SlartyBartfast

Come on, young Lizards...join The Lizard Army.

"Johnson’s lizard army,...has thousands of eyes and thousands of ears."

Resistance is futile.

Yes- we need more fellow "mindless followers".

32 stanlef  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:50:53pm

re: #30 njimby

Welcome and type carefully!

33 fishbob  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:50:59pm

Be careful of what lurks in neglected corners

34 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:51:27pm

Senate sends big spending bill to Bush to sign

This bill sucks.

The action does not mean drilling is imminent and still leaves the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico off limits. But it could set the stage for the government to offer leases in some Atlantic federal waters as early as 2011.

Bush had threatened to veto bills that did not cut the number and cost of pet projects in half or cause agency operating budgets to exceed his request. Democrats ignored the edict as they drafted the plan and the White House has apparently backed down.

watchdog group, discovered 2,322 pet projects totaling $6.6 billion.

Automakers gained $25 billion in taxpayer-subsidized loans

35 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:51:59pm

Slowly I turned

bit by bit, piece by piece, step by step

at Niagra Falls.

36 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:52:03pm

You can make this even better?

37 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:52:28pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

Yes- we need more fellow "mindless followers".

Hey! I resemble that remark!

38 jcm  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:52:31pm

Misleading headline of the week.

Portland's nude cyclist arrested for 100-plus mph speeding down I-5

Video in the story puts the moon in moonbat and the ding in dingbat!

39 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:52:36pm

Here are the really cool San Gabriel Mountains, somewhere close to which Charles and Stinky are working. (the Towercam. Pacific time zone)

And if tomorrow they walked to the top of the highest peak in the first picture, (it is way on the right & not the apparently highest),

Here is what they would see (Mt. San Antonio)

Nice going guys.

40 Gorgon Zola  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:54:13pm

while yer in there, Charles, I'd recommend retorsioning the sublocutor flingflang
to tweak the zimbler marigozzletron,,just a suggestion,,

41 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:54:45pm

re: #34 ciaospirit

Senate sends big spending bill to Bush to sign

This bill sucks.

Veto it, face them down and call them out, name names and start arresting people for corruption.

42 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:55:04pm

re: #30 njimby

I'm a newbie, but have been reading since '04
Also I type slow.
Glad to be here.

type as fast as you want. spellcheck is here now

43 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:55:46pm

I am so Computer illiterate. Does this mean I shouldn't run for Prez?

/hands head in shame

44 vxbush  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:56:12pm

re: #22 littleoldlady

I smell mathematics!

/where's my chocolate?!

Rational? Irrational? Transcendental? Algebraic?

45 stevieray  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:57:05pm

Charles:

I still get errors for LGF in both FF3.03 on XP Pro, and FF3.02 in Vista.

It is the same error in both browsers on both OS's. It is the "sharethis.com/widget". It says the "node is null" on line number 53.

That is the only "red" level error... there are also a few "yellow" level errors too.

Is this important/useful?

46 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:57:08pm

Do we haze the hatchlings, or are we nice?

47 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:57:11pm

I started reading this LGF almost four years ago, right before the election. Hard to believe it's been that long. Time flies.

48 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:57:31pm

Speaking of refactoring code, what's up with Georgia getting their asses handed to them by Alabama? So far, anyways...

49 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:57:43pm

ot; NBC CBS ABC CNN the AP and other biased sources are deceptive about the "Bailout" plan. Here is what's really happening

.

50 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:58:18pm

re: #40 Gorgon Zola

while yer in there, Charles, I'd recommend retorsioning the sublocutor flingflang
to tweak the zimbler marigozzletron,,just a suggestion,,

And he can't forget aligning the flux capacitor either! Or was that the oscillation overthruster?

51 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:58:28pm

re: #44 vxbush

Rational? Irrational? Transcendental? Algebraic?

Four horsemen of the positivist apocalypse or the really lame power rangers?

52 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:59:22pm

60,000 comments left until comment 6,000,000.

53 njimby  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:59:38pm

No No. It's just that I only have one finger on each hand that can type.

54 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 5:59:59pm

59,998

55 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:00:27pm

re: #52 Charles

60,000 comments left until comment 6,000,000.

What was comment number 4,000,000?

56 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:01:46pm

re: #50 Macker

And he can't forget aligning the flux capacitor either! Or was that the oscillation overthruster?

Get it machine wrapped with butter.

57 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:01:52pm

re: #34 ciaospirit

Senate sends big spending bill to Bush to sign

This bill sucks.

It's time to drain the swamp.
Corrupt democrats need to go.

58 flynmudd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:03:21pm

re: #57 FrogMarch

How many representatives are up for re-election this November?

59 mcwlod  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:05:09pm

Hi all, I am a newbie, but have been reading LGF since before 9/11 when Charles wrote mainly humorous posts. Then have read almost every day since. Charles does rock.

60 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:05:31pm

Nancy Pelosi unloads- says House Republicans are "unpatriotic".
(because - you know - those evil house republicans want to strip the left-wing pork and corruption out of the bailout)

61 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:05pm

Welcomes the hatchlings and sets up the cash box and a set of papers and real small pencils on a folding table.

OK little lizards it is time to talk about your health plan, 401k and indemnity bond.

62 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:14pm

re: #47 Bobblehead

Bobblehead! I just finished reading "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors". It was powerful and moving. As Lincoln said, "The world...can never forget what they did here." It's a story that schoolchildren should know and that our enemies should ponder. Thank you, thank you, thank you(!) for recommending it.

BTW, I just started reading Ernie Pyle's "Brave Men"...my dad had a 1st edition in his collection.

63 vxbush  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:19pm

re: #51 lifeofthemind

Four horsemen of the positivist apocalypse or the really lame power rangers?

Heh. Definitely not power rangers. Ew.

Four horsemen? Not bad. But four types of real numbers, definitely.

Now: Which can overlap?

64 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:22pm

60,000 Comments on the wall, if one of those comments. Can't sing no more just went mute.

65 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:29pm

re: #55 cliffster

What was comment number 4,000,000?

I want to know what # 3,984,163 was (thats always been my lucky number)

66 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:41pm

re: #59 mcwlod

Howdy, mcwlod! :-)

What prompted you to finally register after lo this many years?

67 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:06:54pm

re: #58 flynmudd

How many representatives are up for re-election this November?

I don't know off hand. I do know our state-run DNC media have the American people so blinded - the democrats stand to gain in both the house and the senate.

68 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:10pm

re: #57 FrogMarch

If we're in danger of the next great depression, why in the world are they loading up this bill with pork and blocking drilling for oil? Something smells here.

69 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:37pm

re: #66 littleoldlady

these

/sheesh
//where's SpellCheck?!

70 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:41pm

re: #41 lifeofthemind

Veto it, face them down and call them out, name names and start arresting people for corruption.

Amen.

71 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:43pm

re: #58 flynmudd

How many representatives are up for re-election this November?

all of them

is that a trick question?

72 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:07:54pm

re: #59 mcwlod

Charles does rock.

Charles,

I didn't know. Always thought of you as more of a Jazz or Blues man myself.

73 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:15pm

re: #67 FrogMarch

All Representatives are up for election! Their terms are only 2yrs.

74 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:31pm

re: #49 FrogMarch

ot; NBC CBS ABC CNN the AP and other biased sources are deceptive about the "Bailout" plan. Here is what's really happening

.

I wonder if the ACORN subsidy is still in the bill.

If so, every Republican should line up behind McCain and really let the American people know that they cannot vote for the bill and why.

75 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:33pm

I need some help in choosing a new avatar. I'm tired of the little green football (no offense Charles). Can anyone steer me in the right direction.

76 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:45pm

re: #65 sattv4u2

I want to know what # 3,984,163 was (thats always been my lucky number)

That works well in one of the late, funny, Mitch Hedberg's jokes. "My lucky number is 3,984,163. That doesn't help at a craps table. C'mon 3,984,163 - fuck! 6"

77 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:56pm

re: #68 seekeroftruth

If we're in danger of the next great depression, why in the world are they loading up this bill with pork and blocking drilling for oil? Something smells here.

It's the smell of the media. They provide the corrupt democrats with all the cover they need.

78 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:08:56pm

re: #64 jainphx

60,000 Comments on the wall, if one of those comments. Can't sing no more just went mute.

Joe Biden

"C'Mon JAINPHX, speak up ,,, ,, oh ,, what ? what the heel am I saying ,,, EVERYONE,, speak up for JAINPHX"

79 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:15pm

re: #75 Maui Girl

I need some help in choosing a new avatar. I'm tired of the little green football (no offense Charles). Can anyone steer me in the right direction.

I suggest something that will offend Reza

80 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:22pm

re: #70 FrogMarch

Amen.

We are at war, the ship is on fire, these idiots are chopping holes in the bottom.

81 flynmudd  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:30pm

I want names! I want to know who added the pork projects to the bill. I'm sick and tired of this sh*t!

82 BBev  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:39pm

re: #60 FrogMarch

Nancy Pelosi unloads- says House Republicans are "unpatriotic".
(because - you know - those evil house republicans want to strip the left-wing pork and corruption out of the bailout)

re: #60 FrogMarch

Nancy Pelosi unloads- says House Republicans are "unpatriotic".
(because - you know - those evil house republicans want to strip the left-wing pork and corruption out of the bailout)

I am so glad that all this is going on right now, my Mom who I love dearly and has as far as I know voted dimocrat all her life ( I'm from a moonbat family ) is voting for McCain, she can not believe what is going on right now and at 80 she has seen a lot.

83 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:47pm

re: #77 FrogMarch

It's the smell of the media. They provide the corrupt democrats with all the cover they need.

Yes they do and I am sick of it.

84 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:09:55pm

re: #78 sattv4u2

Now thats funny!

85 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:10:06pm

re: #81 flynmudd

I want names! I want to know who added the pork projects to the bill. I'm sick and tired of this sh*t!

pick a name ,, any name ,,, you think your particular rep hasn't? HA I say

86 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:10:16pm

re: #60 FrogMarch

She knows the Dems could have forced any deal they wanted; she's angry about the Republicans showing the Dems, lacking a spine, needed 'bipartisan' cover.

87 little boomer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:10:27pm

re: #60 FrogMarch

Nancy Pelosi unloads- says House Republicans are "unpatriotic".
(because - you know - those evil house republicans want to strip the left-wing pork and corruption out of the bailout)

I thought dissent was patriotic...

88 snopercod  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:10:49pm

Damn. I hate inconsistent variable naming (and Illinois Nazis_.

89 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:11:04pm

re: #75 Maui Girl

I need some help in choosing a new avatar. I'm tired of the little green football (no offense Charles). Can anyone steer me in the right direction.

What makes people think of Maui, that's legal? Do a Google search for an image.

90 mcwlod  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:11:59pm

re: #66 littleoldlady

I never commented just lurked and then the registration was turned off and I realized that I wanted to register but now couldn't. Kept missing those sneaky registration windows til now!

91 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:12:10pm

re: #89 lifeofthemind

What makes people think of Maui, that's legal?

Jeff Foxworthy?

92 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:12:22pm

re: #82 BBev

I am so glad that all this is going on right now, my Mom who I love dearly and has as far as I know voted dimocrat all her life ( I'm from a moonbat family ) is voting for McCain, she can not believe what is going on right now and at 80 she has seen a lot.

great!
I hope your mom is an indicator of millions of other fed-up American citizens.

93 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:12:48pm

DAMN! I'M IN! I have waited forever and I can finally post! WOOHOO!

great, now I forgot what I was going to say...

94 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:13:04pm

Charles, any opinion on Silverlight?

95 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:13:21pm

re: #93 switter

welcome ,,, and know your place !

96 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:13:44pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

welcome ,,, and know your place !

...which is behind the bar

97 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:09pm

re: #94 EIDE_Interface

Charles, any opinion on Silverlight?

is that brewed by Coors? I don't really enjoy lite beers,,, thanks anyway

98 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:11pm

re: #41 lifeofthemind

Veto it, face them down and call them out, name names and start arresting people for corruption.

Although - I don't think they can arrest congress members for being greedy lying a-holes.

99 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:21pm

&#9834 &#9836 Welcome New-be-lewbies! &#9836 &#9834

:D

100 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:27pm

re: #96 goddessoftheclassroom

...which is behind the bar

GOTC ,,, Smoooccchhh

101 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:31pm

I remember all those Republicans that advocated giving the house to the Democraps, to punish them. How did that work out for ya. $4 gas, pork coming out our ears, depression close because of thieves in congress, all in all worked out pretty good didn't it.

102 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:32pm

re: #89 lifeofthemind

Thanks. Don't use Google because of their obvious anti-American stances. I'll try somewhere else.

103 Sparkizzy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:34pm

Gut voch lizards. Watching the debate now on MSNBC's excellent debate page.

104 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:14:40pm

re: #45 stevieray

Do you speak English? ;)

105 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:15:10pm

re: #60 FrogMarch

I've heard Republicans say, that since the dems have a majority, they're free to pass the bill by themselves if they think it's so great. They don't; they want Republican cover for this bad bill.

106 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:15:29pm

re: #90 mcwlod

I never commented just lurked and then the registration was turned off and I realized that I wanted to register but now couldn't. Kept missing those sneaky registration windows til now!

WOWSERS! That has GOT to be the all time Would Love to Register But Can't record!

Congratulations! :-)

107 witness  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:15:34pm

Tancredo giving awesome speech on c-span (house floor) on the dangers of radical Islam.
Someone should post the transcript of this.

108 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:15:41pm

re: #93 switter

DAMN! I'M IN! I have waited forever and I can finally post! WOOHOO!

great, now I forgot what I was going to say...

Well, you can talk about the weather. Just don't talk religion or politics. That tends to get some people kind of worked up.

Nice day today Switter. Nice to meet you.

109 Catttt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:15:51pm

OT - just sent a hot (but no cussing) e-mail to my congressman. Understand that Maryland is so blue it is yellow dog. My congressman's daddy is my ex-Senator, and Congress is a family business.

Still, I want him to hear from every angry person in his constituency.

The fact that the Dems started the ball rolling by forcing institutions to lend to totally risky people (most of whom are Democrats, of course) infuriates me. The fact that they have earmarked a huge portion of any (gross) profits to go to ACORN, La Raza, etc., makes me really angry. The fact that the entire federal govt. let this happen sucks.

I'm going to take a bubble bath and read an escapist novel for a while.

110 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:16:57pm

re: #68 seekeroftruth

Possibly because things were never as dire as claimed, and Congress, in its inevitable wisdom (collective cluelessness) has decided that to get the deal done, they must wheel and deal to get everyone on board - so there's something for everyone on it.

No clean bill here.

What started out as a 3 page bill according to some accounts is now reading like a Tolstoy novel.

111 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:17:25pm

re: #104 NY Nana

Great sign! We'll sure never see anything like that in these parts.

112 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:17:36pm
Obama's campaign quickly produced an advertisement criticizing McCain for never uttering the term "middle class" in the debate. Campaign manager David Plouffe held a conference call with reporters where he called McCain's efforts to paint Obama as inexperienced on foreign affairs "sophomoric."

It took no effort whatsoever.

113 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:17:40pm

re: #62 SlartyBartfast

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Great men those citizen sailors.

114 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:17:41pm

re: #98 FrogMarch

Although - I don't think they can arrest congress members for being greedy lying a-holes.


As McCain warned them last night, Members are being locked up for corruption. What they are counting on is the protection of their office but that only applies under the Constitution to speech uttered in the floor of the House. Not to the contents of their computers or bank records or freezers.

115 vxbush  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:18:49pm

Eh, I gotta get read for bed folks. I'm exhausted from all the cleaning I had to do today. But, in theory, the fleas are gone, gone gone!

116 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:19:19pm

re: #112 ciaospirit

It took no effort whatsoever.

Obama's campaign quickly produced an advertisement criticizing McCain for never uttering the term "middle class"

HELLO OBAMA CAMP ,,, Repubs don't PLAY Class Warfare! Thats your balywak!

117 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:19:20pm

re: #105 Palandine

I've heard Republicans say, that since the dems have a majority, they're free to pass the bill by themselves if they think it's so great. They don't; they want Republican cover for this bad bill.

Actually, I think that's good and proper.

Y'know what, it was damn decent of Paulson to even come to the Congress and ask their opinion. He and Bernanke have been so overstepping their offices, they could have sprung the $700b on their own, and I'll bet they thought about it, and are thinking about it still. And you know what they say, always easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

118 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:19:36pm

re: #101 jainphx

I remember all those Republicans that advocated giving the house to the Democraps, to punish them. How did that work out for ya. $4 gas, pork coming out our ears, depression close because of thieves in congress, all in all worked out pretty good didn't it.

The same trolls were saying they want Obama to win so we can get a "real Republican in 4 years."

119 Catttt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:19:42pm

re: #89 lifeofthemind

What makes people think of Maui, that's legal? Do a Google search for an image.

Search for Maui - tons of nice pics - beautiful place.

If you want a Maui girl thing - try "hula" - I found some nice pics of hula girls that were tasteful. (There were also hula boys, but you are a Maui girl.)

120 vxbush  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:19:49pm

re: #115 vxbush

Eh, I gotta get ready for bed folks. I'm exhausted from all the cleaning I had to do today. But, in theory, the fleas are gone, gone gone!

PIMF. Too tired!

121 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:21:12pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Obama's campaign quickly produced an advertisement criticizing McCain for never uttering the term "middle class"

Call me some time, when you got no class at all.

/Rodney Dangerfield, "Back to School"

122 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:21:31pm

re: #120 vxbush

PIMF. Too tired!

READing gets me tired for bed ,,, no worries !

123 Catttt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:21:51pm

re: #102 Maui Girl

Thanks. Don't use Google because of their obvious anti-American stances. I'll try somewhere else.

Here is an example I found via a "hula" search on Yahoo images.

124 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:22:19pm

re: #118 lifeofthemind

Do you need a license to hunt Troll?

125 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:22:21pm

By the way, here's proof that McCain Kicked A$$ in last night's debate...from the far left Yahoo news, "No Clear-Cut Winner".

Translation: Obama lost and lost big.

126 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:23:01pm

re: #124 jainphx

Do you need a license to hunt Troll?

no , and they're always in season here !

127 Thanos  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:23:38pm

Welcome new lizards. Good to see some new faces.

128 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:23:48pm

re: #34 ciaospirit

From your link:

Bush had threatened to veto bills that did not cut the number and cost of pet projects in half or cause agency operating budgets to exceed his request. Democrats ignored the edict as they drafted the plan and the White House has apparently backed down.

WTF? Why?

Also from your link:

Also in the bill is money to avert a shortfall in Pell college aid grants and solve problems in the Women, Infants and Children program delivering healthy foods to the poor.

A shout out to all the deluded souls who think that Clinton "reformed" welfare. First off, Clinton vetoed welfare "reform" twice, and only signed a welfare "reform" bill when it was politically expedient. The only program that was "reformed" was AFDC (it became TANF). Dozens of welfare programs were untouched (in case you were wondering why there are still people in line in front of you at the grocery store buying the best of everything by whipping out food stamps - and cash, only when the clerk figures out that liquor and cigarettes can't be purchased with food stamps).

129 Catttt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:23:51pm

re: #124 jainphx

Do you need a license to hunt Troll?



No. It's Open Season.

130 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:24:07pm

re: #127 Thanos

Welcome new lizards. Good to see some new faces.

ummm, Thanos ,,, they're standing with their backs to the puter !

131 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:24:11pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

Is there a bag limit, or can you take unlimited Troll?

132 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:24:20pm

re: #119 Cattt

Search for Maui - tons of nice pics - beautiful place.

If you want a Maui girl thing - try "hula" - I found some nice pics of hula girls that were tasteful. (There were also hula boys, but you are a Maui girl.)

Hawaii is so nice and has such a rich Naval tradition that it is like San Francisco. How the heck did both end up with the insane fringe groups in charge that they have now?

133 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:24:47pm

re: #102 Maui Girl

Pineapples are cool too, I have them on my avatar.

134 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:24:50pm

re: #38 jcm

Have you seen this? Bat brew jolts Eastern Iowan

An Eastern Iowa woman had more of a jolt than usual from her morning coffee.

The Iowa Department of Public Health reports that the woman had seen a bat in her house, but wasn't particularly concerned about it.

She turned on her automatic coffee maker, went to bed and drank her coffee as usual the next morning.

When she removed the coffee filter that night, however, she discovered a dead bat in the filter that had gone through that morning's brew cycle.

Ann Garvey, public health veterinarian, said the woman underwent rabies treatment for the exposure, which occurred last month.

The bat was sent to University Hygienic Laboratory in Oakdale for rabies testing, but the brain had been too cooked by the heat of the brewing water for a determination, according to the health department.

Garvey noted that supplies of rabies vaccine are down because one of the two manufacturers has temporarily suspended production.

A new protocol requires that state health departments are notified when someone asks for rabies vaccine to ensure national recommendations for the available supply are followed.

Garvey said rabies calls typically increase in August and September, when bats are looking for a warmer place indoors.

Two years ago, a Sioux City woman found a drowned bat in the bottom of her sun tea mug that was about the size of two tea bags.

That bat was found to not have rabies.

Nationwide, between 20,000 and 40,000 people annually receive rabies treatment, Garvey said.

In Iowa this year, only two cats — one in Linn County; one in Bremer County — and a skunk in Mitchell County have tested positive for rabies at the Hygienic Lab out of just over 300 animals tested.

None of 83 big brown bats have tested positive for rabies. Bats, cats and dogs are the animals most commonly tested at the lab.

Because of my respect for Iowahawk, I will refrain from any Iowa bashing. ;)

135 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:25:48pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Obama's campaign quickly produced an advertisement criticizing McCain for never uttering the term "middle class"

HELLO OBAMA CAMP ,,, Repubs don't PLAY Class Warfare! Thats your balywak!

i hear ya. you always hear team Obama make that comment about republicans, "they never once mentioned the middle class". and i think to myself, " why would they?

136 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:25:57pm

Charles Lindbergh is buried on Maui.

NX211

137 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:26:02pm

re: #121 itellu3times

Call me some time, when you got no class at all.

/Rodney Dangerfield, "Back to School"

I was tired one night and I went to the bar to have a few drinks. The bartender asked me, "What'll you have?" I said, "Surprise me." He showed me a naked picture of my wife.

During sex my wife always wants to talk to me. Just the other night she called me from a hotel.

138 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:26:11pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Obama's campaign quickly produced an advertisement criticizing McCain for never uttering the term "middle class"

HELLO OBAMA CAMP ,,, Repubs don't PLAY Class Warfare! Thats your balywak!

I mentioned this in an earlier thread. I was thinking about why it grates on me so when Obama talks about the middle class when he himself is an elitist snob.

Then I remembered:

Point 8 of the Trinity United Church of Christ black values system

Obama's spent 20 years reviling the middle class. Now all of a sudden he's a big fan? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Taxes increases are coming regardless of who wins, but if Obama wins the taxation on the middle and upper classes (that is, people who pay taxes) will be truly crippling.

139 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:26:12pm

re: #131 jainphx

Is there a bag limit, or can you take unlimited Troll?

unlimited ,, although we do want to see your skills at toying with them a bit before going in for the kill. Great entertainment for os old timers

140 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:26:17pm

re: #127 Thanos

Welcome new lizards. Good to see some new faces.


You see me? Did I forget to turn off the video cam?
how do I look? Handsome?
LOL

141 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:27:12pm

re: #135 alien_mind

Isn't it enough to say American?

142 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:10pm

re: #140 HoosierHoops

You see me? Did I forget to turn off the video cam?
how do I look? Handsome?
LOL

yes ,, cept for the spinach between your teeth ,,,

ummm,, what?,, You haven't had any spinach ,, ummm,,, errr,,, nevahmind !

143 littleoldlady  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:10pm
$myItems = array(’item1’, ‘item2’, ‘item3’);
define(’MY_ITEMS’, serialize($myItems));

I tried this in my coat closet and it really works! ;-)

See y'all at fruitcup!

144 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:25pm

re: #140 HoosierHoops

Yes and for heavens sake put some clothes on!

145 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:46pm

re: #118 lifeofthemind

The same trolls were saying they want Obama to win so we can get a "real Republican in 4 years."

I'd prefer not to go through the Carter years again, thnk you.

146 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:48pm

re: #108 The Shadow Do

Well, you can talk about the weather. Just don't talk religion or politics. That tends to get some people kind of worked up.

ok, no religion or politics. got it. how about guitars?

Nice day today Switter. Nice to meet you.

ditto. and thanks for the welcome

147 Xplodeit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:28:58pm

Welcome hatchlings.

148 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:29:34pm

re: #146 switter

Welcome! that's quite the avatar you have there :)

149 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:29:37pm

re: #112 ciaospirit

He didn't say the word "kindergarten" either. He must hate children.

/same logic

150 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:30:08pm

re: #145 Shay4l

How many of us do you think lived through the peanut farmers 4 years.

151 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:30:41pm

re: #150 jainphx

How many of us do you think lived through the peanut farmers 4 years.

If you could call it 'living' ...

152 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:30:56pm

re: #150 jainphx

How many of us do you think lived suffered through the peanut farmers 4 years.

fixed that for ya

153 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:30:58pm

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

154 seekeroftruth  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:07pm

re: #110 lawhawk

Possibly because things were never as dire as claimed, and Congress, in its inevitable wisdom (collective cluelessness) has decided that to get the deal done, they must wheel and deal to get everyone on board - so there's something for everyone on it.

No clean bill here.

What started out as a 3 page bill according to some accounts is now reading like a Tolstoy novel.

I'm thinking along the same lines. Considering how corrupt these Democrats are, ( and I suspect we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg ), and how easily they can do what ever they want because the MSM covers for them, it is not hard to take the next step in thought , that this whole thing is an hoax, like global warming. Ace has a really good expose' of the connection between the Dems and the alternate energy companies.

As for the bill/novel, I hope one of the Republicans has a really good magnifying glass to get a good look at what else has been added to this bill.

155 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:09pm

re: #146 switter

Around here people mostly tend to chat about money, women and the war between the states.

156 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:15pm

re: #34 ciaospirit

Senate sends big spending bill to Bush to sign

This bill sucks.

What the hell? I thought the Republicans defeated this bill.

157 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:17pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Isn't it enough to say American?

it should be, but the dem's insist on breaking it down, poor, middle class, rich, super rich.

158 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:19pm

Arrr, mates, me' beloved Dawgs are down like 31/ziv to Alabama, HAAAR!

159 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:31pm

re: #151 mama winger

Hello Mama hows little winger doing?

160 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:33pm

re: #146 switter

sheesh, screwed up my second post. and I am a web developer. not good.

guess I'll time to sign off and watch hitchhikers guide to the galaxy...

161 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:42pm

re: #155 lifeofthemind

Around here people mostly tend to chat about money, women and the war between the states.

Isn't that, "The War of Northern Aggression"?

162 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:46pm

re: #153 mama winger

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

Rotating title nomination.

163 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:31:55pm

re: #153 mama winger

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

That would have worked for me,,, but I would have had to been sane to start wif ,, huh !

164 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:21pm

re: #159 jainphx

Hello Mama hows little winger doing?

He jumped out of a plane today and didn't manage to kill himself so I guess it's all good.

:)

165 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:30pm

re: #153 mama winger

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

Disco is not sane.

166 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:37pm

re: #150 jainphx

How many of us do you think lived through the peanut farmers 4 years.

?

I dunno, 50%?

15% unemployment, 20% inflation, negative economic growth. I don't want to revisit failed leftie economics again, thank you.

167 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:40pm

re: #153 mama winger

Long time no see. How ya doin'?

168 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:52pm

re: #153 mama winger

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

Disco makes me INsane. If I get the lyrics of "Stayin' Alive" in my head ...

Oh crap.

169 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:53pm

re: #137 Shay4l

I was tired one night and I went to the bar to have a few drinks. The bartender asked me, "What'll you have?" I said, "Surprise me." He showed me a naked picture of my wife.

During sex my wife always wants to talk to me. Just the other night she called me from a hotel.


"I went to the proctologist the other day...he stuck his finger in my mouth!..I tell ya ..I get no respect.."

170 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:32:54pm

re: #164 mama winger

He jumped out of a plane today and didn't manage to kill himself so I guess it's all good.

:)

How's the plane ?

171 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:04pm

re: #148 mama winger

Welcome! that's quite the avatar you have there :)

"Mah bukket!" LOLOL!

172 readytofight  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:09pm

I'm in! You guys are awesome!

173 snowcrash  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:37pm

re: #146 switter
You haz a bucket? Is that the sea lion from Lolcats?

174 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:40pm

re: #168 Tigger2005

Disco makes me INsane. If I get the lyrics of "Stayin' Alive" in my head ...

Oh crap.

Dammit, why would you? Why? Why?

175 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:43pm

re: #153 mama winger

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

Nominated for rotating lizard title..
work with me lizards..vote early..vote often

176 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:49pm

re: #148 mama winger

Thanks, I pirated it from here

177 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:53pm

re: #153 mama winger

The only thing that kept me sane was disco.

Ah, Ah, Ah, Ah Stayin Alive...

178 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:33:57pm

re: #172 readytofight

I'm in! You guys are awesome!

and don't you forget it

179 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:34:06pm

re: #164 mama winger

You mean he jumped out of a perfectly good airplane? Who or what was chasing him?

180 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:34:14pm

Now closed, with 45 hatchlings.

181 BBev  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:34:41pm

re: #92 FrogMarch

great!
I hope your mom is an indicator of millions of other fed-up American citizens.

I think it is and did I say she is in Massachusetts

182 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:34:48pm

Welcome, new or newish 45.

183 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:12pm

re: #150 jainphx

How many of us do you think lived through the peanut farmers 4 years.

I was only 10 when Carter was elected, but by the end of that 4 years I hated his guts intensely and the day Reagan was sworn in was the happiest day of my life up to then.

184 USA  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:13pm

Who is responsible for financial crisis?
Watch and decide

185 Sarge1984  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:17pm

Hey, y'all!

Is this the drinking thread yet?

186 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #157 alien_mind

it should be, but the dem's insist on breaking it down, poor, middle class, rich, super rich.

And they like to stay away from exact definitions, because by "rich" they mean you, if you have a job and pay taxes.

Obama keeps saying he is lowering taxes for 95% percent of Americans, then he said 95% of "working" Americans. So which is it? By "working" they typically mean those that make little money. As if no one who makes over some amount, say $100,000 is working for it. It just appears.

187 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:31pm

re: #168 Tigger2005

Disco makes me INsane. If I get the lyrics of "Stayin' Alive" in my head ...

Oh crap.

Oh crap times two

188 surferdoc  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:40pm

Newby Here: The keg has been tapped and the pretty ladies will be handing out the free beer! Glad to be here.

189 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:35:45pm

re: #161 Tigger2005

Isn't that, "The War of Northern Aggression"?

I prefer, "The Great Unpleasantness."

190 mcwlod  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:36:07pm

re: #106 littleoldlady

I like to think that I just was really busy, not that I was slow or anything. ;)

191 snowcrash  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:36:09pm

Welcome hatchlings! Use your acct. and say hello.

192 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:36:26pm

re: #138 Palandine

I mentioned this in an earlier thread. I was thinking about why it grates on me so when Obama talks about the middle class when he himself is an elitist snob.

Then I remembered:

Point 8 of the Trinity United Church of Christ black values system

Obama's spent 20 years reviling the middle class. Now all of a sudden he's a big fan? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Taxes increases are coming regardless of who wins, but if Obama wins the taxation on the middle and upper classes (that is, people who pay taxes) will be truly crippling.

More evidence that this campaign is driving me mad ...the other night I was reading Obama's senate record. The amount of time he has spent on black recognition is very telling. Just American red white and blue issues ... not so much. For those Lizards who cannot sleep try reading his senate record. Also, reading the record when he explains his not being present ... you cannot make that crap up. No substance ...Zero.

Hello to all new Lizards.

193 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:36:28pm

re: #185 Sarge1984

Hey, y'all!

Is this the drinking thread yet?

Only you can answer this question for sure...

194 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:37:07pm

re: #173 snowcrash

I has a bucket man, and now lizard login to boot. I don't get no better.

195 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:37:19pm

re: #166 Shay4l

I hear you! was on a road trip in Florida from Detroit, when the gas shortage started. I had to pay $25.00 for gas when he was only $1.05. Took me 8 days to get home.

196 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:37:35pm

My beloved Stampeders are spanking the Toronto Argos 34-16 at the end of the third quarter.

Exxcccelllent.

:D

197 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:37:43pm

re: #179 jainphx

You mean he jumped out of a perfectly good airplane? Who or what was chasing him?

Some girl.

198 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:37:53pm

Yaar, mates, welcome newbies, drinks are on the house, considering me' beloved dawgs are going down in flames to Alabama. Me' hats off to Alabama, they are kicking Georgia's ass tonight...

199 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:37:58pm

re: #172 readytofight

You guys are awesome!


I think You'll get along just fine here

200 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:38:01pm

re: #196 Miss Trixie

My beloved Stampeders are spanking the Toronto Argos 34-16 at the end of the third quarter.

Exxcccelllent.

:D

That's not baseball, is it?

201 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:38:18pm

re: #193 Shay4l

Only you can answer this question for sure...

"Smokey the drunk"

202 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:38:50pm

Drinking words for tonight:

Hope
Change
Heartbeat (double shot for "heartbeat away")
Reagan
globular

203 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:38:53pm

re: #197 mama winger

Some girl.

Figures. Your little boy is jumping out of planes?

204 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #180 Charles

Now closed, with 45 hatchlings.

Hey Charles..I was going to create HoosierHoops_sock_puppet for the fun of it..But I have only one email address...I could not create it...
Yes..I can go and create a fake email address..But that's not me bro..
Thanks for all the work you do on this site...

205 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:18pm

re: #198 LoFlyer

Yaar, mates, welcome newbies, drinks are on the house, considering me' beloved dawgs are going down in flames to Alabama. Me' hats off to Alabama, they are kicking Georgia's ass tonight...

Has to be seen to be believed. Crazy

206 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:28pm

re: #198 LoFlyer

Yaar, mates, welcome newbies, drinks are on the house, considering me' beloved dawgs are going down in flames to Alabama. Me' hats off to Alabama, they are kicking Georgia's ass tonight...

Is today "Talk Like A Pirate Day"?

207 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:51pm

re: #203 cliffster

Figures. Your little boy is jumping out of planes?

Only after he drinks.

208 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:39:54pm

re: #197 mama winger

Was he jumping to get to her, or away?

209 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:16pm

re: #195 jainphx

I hear you! was on a road trip in Florida from Detroit, when the gas shortage started. I had to pay $25.00 for gas when he was only $1.05. Took me 8 days to get home.


You're Canadian, aren't you?

210 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:21pm

re: #189 Silhouette

I prefer, "The Great Unpleasantness."

It was the Great Experiment in community organizing and urban renewal, take 1.

211 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:28pm

re: #137 Shay4l

I was tired one night and I went to the bar to have a few drinks. The bartender asked me, "What'll you have?" I said, "Surprise me." He showed me a naked picture of my wife.

During sex my wife always wants to talk to me. Just the other night she called me from a hotel.

I came home early and saw a naked guy jogging down my street. I said "Hey, why are you out jogging naked?" He said, "Because you came home early."

The other night my wife met me at the door in a sexy negligee. The only problem was, she was coming home.

My doctor told me I need to watch my drinking. Now I drink in front of the mirror.

I drink too much. Way too much. My doctor drew my blood. He ran a tab.

212 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:40pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Obama's campaign quickly produced an advertisement criticizing McCain for never uttering the term "middle class"

HELLO OBAMA CAMP ,,, Repubs don't PLAY Class Warfare! Thats your balywak!

In a similar vein, from last night's debate:

LEHRER: All right. All right, speaking of things that both of you want, another lead question, and it has to do with the rescue...As president, as a result of whatever financial rescue plan comes about and the billion, $700 billion, whatever it is it's going to cost, what are you going to have to give up, in terms of the priorities that you would bring as president of the United States, as a result of having to pay for the financial rescue plan?

It's only Obama who's promising (or threatening, depending on your point of view) pie-in-the-sky spending! If I had been McCain, I'd have answered Jim Lehrer by saying, "You're talking to him, right?"

213 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:56pm

re: #208 jainphx

Was he jumping to get to her, or away?

Knowing him, probably away.

He never likes to get a girlfriend too close to Christmas. He might have to buy her a present.

214 jonathan1984  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:40:56pm

Got in just in time. Thanks for letting us in. :)

215 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:41:09pm

re: #138 Palandine

Taxes increases are coming regardless of who wins

Yes, that's probably true. The tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 absent action to extend them. All Congress has to do is sit on its collective hands, and there will be a tax increase.

216 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:41:59pm

re: #214 jonathan1984

Got in just in time. Thanks for letting us in. :)

I remember 1984.

Were you there too?

217 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:01pm

re: #198 LoFlyer

Yaar, mates, welcome newbies, drinks are on the house, considering me' beloved dawgs are going down in flames to Alabama. Me' hats off to Alabama, they are kicking Georgia's ass tonight...

seriously loflyer.. I loved your pirate talk last week..I think you should do some research and treat us to real pirate talk...No Johnny depp stuff..
ok a little..

218 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:14pm

re: #209 Shay4l

No. Why?

219 jonathan1984  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:45pm

re: #216 mama winger

Nope, just the year I was born.

220 Naso Tang  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:55pm

I think Charles is making use of this slow venture capital time to be prepared to hit the market running with the sleekest blog system around, whenever we see high finance come back to life.

//

221 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:57pm

re: #206 Bobblehead

Is today "Talk Like A Pirate Day"?

No, today is Talk like a Plummy Twit Day.

222 snowcrash  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:42:58pm

re: #216 mama winger
It is probably his DOB!

223 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:04pm

re: #202 Silhouette

Drinking words for tonight:

Hope
Change
Heartbeat (double shot for "heartbeat away")
Reagan
globular


Good thing there's not a debate tonight, or we'd be schnockered.

Except that globular thing. WTF?

224 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:07pm

re: #200 mama winger

That's not baseball, is it?

No, hon, it's the Canadian Football League you know. Three downs, more passing, less rushing (unless it's 2nd and inches**) and our balls are bigger.

G*damn I love football!

*** story of my life ...

225 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #209 Shay4l

You're Canadian, aren't you?

me'thjinks the PHX after the JAIN ='s Phoenix (but I could be wrong)

226 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:24pm

re: #219 jonathan1984

Nope, just the year I was born.

Oh dear.

I have handbags older than you.

227 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:35pm

re: #215 David Simon

Yes, that's probably true. The tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 absent action to extend them. All Congress has to do is sit on its collective hands, and there will be a tax increase.

No, all the electorate has to do is elect Democrats instead of Republicans.

We must find some way to stop people from being stupid.

228 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:43:42pm

re: #213 mama winger

He's a man after my own Heart.

229 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:44:03pm

I have an intense dislike for Skeletor.

230 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:44:05pm

re: #224 Miss Trixie

No, hon, it's the Canadian Football League you know. Three downs, more passing, less rushing (unless it's 2nd and inches**) and our balls are bigger.

G*damn I love football!

*** story of my life ...


Well.
No wonder.

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:44:09pm

re: #219 jonathan1984

re: #226 mama winger

Oh dear.

I have handbags older than you.

ggeeezz ,, there are things in my freezer older than him!

232 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:44:15pm

re: #220 Naso Tang

I think Charles is making use of this slow venture capital time to be prepared to hit the market running with the sleekest blog system around, whenever we see high finance come back to life.

//

That will be sometime in 2029.

233 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:44:17pm

re: #214 jonathan1984

Welcome!

234 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:44:29pm

re: #201 Spider Mensch

"Smokey the drunk"

Yeah, that's him - beats his wife with a shovel when she gets hot.

*ducks*

235 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:45:34pm

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

236 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:45:49pm

re: #215 David Simon

Yes, that's probably true. The tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 absent action to extend them. All Congress has to do is sit on its collective hands, and there will be a tax increase.

It's either tax increases or Bob Mugabe's strategy of "print more money!"

I'd just like them to be somewhat fair. EVERYBODY should pay something, contribute something to the treasury. Even if it's the widow's mite, so be it.

237 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:46:06pm

re: #234 Miss Trixie

Yeah, that's him - beats his wife with a shovel when she gets hot.

*ducks*

"Only you can piss out forest fires!"

238 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:46:07pm

re: #218 jainphx

No. Why?

"I had to pay $25.00 for gas when he was only $1.05. " is a very Canadian expression.

No disrespect meant. Canadian clear-thinkers are most welcome, in any case.

239 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:46:28pm

re: #230 mama winger

Well.
No wonder.

LOL! :D

240 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:46:31pm

re: #219 jonathan1984

I mean no disrespect, but I have shoes that are that old. Aah I remember, and at my age thats all I can do.

241 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:46:40pm

In the debate last night Obama praised soldiers who fight for their commander and chief. My thought was that's a bit of an odd way of point it. Aren't they fighting for their country (and by extension liberty)?

Anyway, I just recalled this and am wondering if anyone else noticed it and thought it was unusual.

242 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:20pm

re: #213 mama winger

He never likes to get a girlfriend too close to Christmas. He might have to buy her a present.

That's why gift opportunities are spread throughout the year, so there's no getting away from them. Christmas, Valentine's, Mother's Day, anniversary, birthday.

243 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:20pm

re: #241 Archimedes

In the debate last night Obama praised soldiers who fight for their commander and chief. My thought was that's a bit of an odd way of point it. Aren't they fighting for their country (and by extension liberty)?

Anyway, I just recalled this and am wondering if anyone else noticed it and thought it was unusual.

Yes.

244 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:23pm

OK..I read all the words and still have absolutely no idea what Charles just said :-(

245 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:26pm

re: #211 Tigger2005

I came home early and saw a naked guy jogging down my street. I said "Hey, why are you out jogging naked?" He said, "Because you came home early."

The other night my wife met me at the door in a sexy negligee. The only problem was, she was coming home.

My doctor told me I need to watch my drinking. Now I drink in front of the mirror.

I drink too much. Way too much. My doctor drew my blood. He ran a tab.

You could tell my parents hated me. As a baby, my bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

My uncle's last wish was to die with me on his lap. He was strapped in the electric chair at the time.

As a teenager, I had pimples really bad. Once I fell asleep at the library. When I woke up, a blind man was reading my face.

My wife told me to join a bridge club. I jump off next Tuesday.

246 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:40pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

Whenever I date myself, I'm sure to have the night end with sex!

247 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:47:59pm

re: #219 jonathan1984

Nope, just the year I was born.

And the year I first voted for Reagan.

248 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:05pm

re: #238 Shay4l

"I had to pay $25.00 for gas when he was only $1.05. " is a very Canadian expression.

No disrespect meant. Canadian clear-thinkers are most welcome, in any case.

I should shay sho. Sheesh.

249 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:14pm

re: #235 mama winger

I like Ike, We like Ike, We all like Ike. You mean him?

250 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:19pm

re: #206 Bobblehead

Is today "Talk Like A Pirate Day"?

Yaaar,! Every day is a "talk like a pirate day", the only requirement is ye' be a pirate!

251 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:42pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

oh ho..I swear I remember carter..I swear..pretty sure..Yup..
/teasing you..

252 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:48:43pm

re: #249 jainphx

I like Ike, We like Ike, We all like Ike. You mean him?

Yeah. That old guy with the nice face.

253 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:05pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

You know, that's illegal in Kentucky.

I was born under Nixon (which probably came as a surprise to my dad). :)

The first President I remember, with atavistic loathing, is Carter.

I was just a kid, but I remember those hard, sad times. Don't particularly want to see them again.

254 WriterMom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:07pm

BOO!

I'm in, I'm finally in!

/

255 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:34pm

WOOT! A three touchdown lead! :D

256 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:41pm

re: #216 mama winger

I remember 1984.

Were you there too?

Back then it was Big Brother. Now, it's Brother Obama.

257 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:47pm

re: #254 WriterMom

BOO!

I'm in, I'm finally in!

/

took ya long enough

258 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:49:53pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

Not to worry, soon it will be, "anyone remember the Reagan Administration?" In face, for Mr/Ms 1984 who just joined us, the answer is already No!. Damn, damn, damn

259 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:09pm

Yaar! love your avatar!

260 jonathan1984  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:13pm

re: #240 jainphx

None taken. Am I setting some sort of record for youngest hatchling, or not quite yet?

261 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:19pm

I remember riding in the car with my mother and hearing the word " watergate" on the radio.

just so happened it had rained that day, and some of the roads had standing water.

so I assumed the watergate must have had something to do with all that water.

I was like 4 or 5 years old

262 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:24pm

re: #241 Archimedes

That was a real Dear Leader moment.

263 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:30pm

re: #238 Shay4l

No the line was so long in Lauderdale I had to go on the "black market". Every time I got close to the pumps they said they were out of gas.

264 outsidephilly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:32pm

re: #254 WriterMom

BOO!

I'm in, I'm finally in!

/

We've been waitin' for ya!

265 Jimmah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:32pm

re: #244 Beach Lover

OK..I read all the words and still have absolutely no idea what Charles just said :-(

Halfway through, I realised I was reading it in the voice of 'Scotty' from star Trek.

266 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:50pm

re: #261 Shug

I remember riding in the car with my mother and hearing the word " watergate" on the radio.

just so happened it had rained that day, and some of the roads had standing water.

so I assumed the watergate must have had something to do with all that water.

I was like 4 or 5 years old


Children. I'm talking to children.

267 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:50:58pm

re: #259 LoFlyer

Yaar! love your avatar!

show off!
/

268 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:03pm

Just needed to see if my avatar has changed.

269 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:19pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

Oh yah, I remember the Eisenhower era . Innocent child hood years.

270 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:28pm

re: #268 Maui Girl

Just needed to see if my avatar has changed.

Not yet sweetie.

271 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:28pm

Nope. Don't know what I'm doing wrong.

272 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:51:53pm

re: #271 Maui Girl

Nope. Don't know what I'm doing wrong.

It's not you, it's us. Sorry...

273 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #241 Archimedes
Yes! I noticed the same thing and also thought "What a strange way to put it...fight for the commander in chief"! I also thought...only he would think that they are there for HIM, not fighting for the country. Just comes natural to the guy...its all about him!

274 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:20pm

re: #269 Bobblehead

Oh yah, I remember the Eisenhower era . Innocent child hood years.

I heard someone say not too long ago that the years between the end of WW2 and the Kennedy assasination was America's Golden age. I think that is right.

275 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:21pm

re: #262 jaunte

That was a real Dear Leader moment.

I just hope he doesn't take his army and march on Rome!

276 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:23pm

re: #271 Maui Girl

Nope. Don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I do. You're not doing it correctly! THATS what you're doing wrong!

277 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:50pm

re: #235 mama winger

I was out of the country, among the English at the time, but I remember thinking that Eisenhower was the American King.

278 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:53pm

re: #271 Maui Girl

Nope. Don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Keep trying. We're not going anywhere.

279 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:52:55pm

re: #241 Archimedes

In the debate last night Obama praised soldiers who fight for their commander and chief. My thought was that's a bit of an odd way of point it. Aren't they fighting for their country (and by extension liberty)?

Anyway, I just recalled this and am wondering if anyone else noticed it and thought it was unusual.

actually there was something written about it today.
it seems that The Great One has not been consistent as to whether he thinks that soldiers might die in vain.

280 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:05pm

re: #271 Maui Girl

Nope. Don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Did you clear your cache and your cookies?

I have no idea what that means but I know people say that a lot in your situation.

281 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:12pm

re: #271 Maui Girl

Nope. Don't know what I'm doing wrong.

avatar? mauigirl?..it better be a shot of you tan in a white bikini..or we'll settle for you white in a tan bikini also

282 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:29pm

re: #253 Palandine

Huh, I just realized that in my lifetime there have been 5 Republican Presidents, and only 2 dems.

Here's to number 6.

283 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:53:49pm

re: #252 mama winger
mama...I'm with you here. we can take these younguns!

284 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:54:07pm

I'm not computer savvy at all but I'll keep working at it.

285 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:54:09pm

re: #274 mama winger

I heard someone say not too long ago that the years between the end of WW2 and the Kennedy assasination was America's Golden age. I think that is right.

I agree. I loved growing up in the 50's.

286 outsidephilly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:54:49pm

The Phillies clinch NL East with a win over Washington . . . , now isn't that special?

287 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:54:59pm

re: #273 Beach Lover

His focus groups have told him to try to make the people comfortable with the idea of him as CinC. Unfortunately, he doesn't know how to do that with leadership, so you end up with this weird Il Duce stuff.

288 Maui Girl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:10pm

re: #281 Spider Mensch

I live here which means I work here - alot. Live a block from the beach but can't remember the last time I put my feet in the ocean. It's a shame really.

289 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:20pm

The canine must be exercised. Bon parlée, mon amies

290 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:24pm

re: #266 mama winger

G-D love ya, Ain't be called a child in, well in many years

291 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:42pm

re: #273 Beach Lover

Yes! I noticed the same thing and also thought "What a strange way to put it...fight for the commander in chief"!


It's also strange for a commander-in-chief to to tout his promise to a grieving mother that no one else will suffer like her. Wars involve death; the only way to avoid anyone else suffering such a terrible loss is never to fight a war.

But don't worry. A snap poll of Iranians after the debate indicates that they are quaking in their boots at the threat of "tough, direct negotiations."

292 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:55:57pm

re: #286 outsidephilly

The Phillies clinch NL East with a win over Washington . . . , now isn't that special?

Phillies vs Dodgers

Cubs vs either the Mets or the Brewers. I hope it's the Brewers because playing at Miller Park is just like having another home field advantage for my Cubbies.

293 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:56:54pm

re: #227 Tigger2005

No, all the electorate has to do is elect Democrats instead of Republicans.

We must find some way to stop people from being stupid.

Actually, we must find a way to stop a few people (especially the ones in the swing states) from being stupid. Most Democrats are hopeless. "We" need to reach the soi-disant independent voters.

294 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:56:59pm

re: #285 Bobblehead

Same here. The 50's were good years to be a kid.

295 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:57:28pm

re: #292 mama winger


Cubs vs either the Mets or the Brewers. I hope it's the Brewers because playing at Miller Park is just like having another home field advantage for my Cubbies.


Hate the Mets. Go Phillies! (Also the Cubs, on general support-the-underdog principles.)

Twins, make up your mind! Winners or losers?

296 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:57:31pm

re: #274 mama winger

I heard someone say not too long ago that the years between the end of WW2 and the Kennedy assasination was America's Golden age. I think that is right.

Golden age...yeah, but I also remember we had a "storm cellar" out behind the house that was concrete with a (scavenged) steel road-grader blade on top, all covered in a foot or two of earth. Probably adequate for all but a direct hit by a...uh, er...tornado.

BTW, I was born in the last couple of weeks of Eisenhower's administration...and proud to have the opportunity to mention him and my Republican birthright.

297 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:58:15pm

I read the heading as, "Stinky's Refactoring Bilge".

LOL, no offense, Monsieur Beaumont.

298 outsidephilly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:58:31pm

Its great to watch these teams - they're really enjoying themselves!

299 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:04pm

re: #291 arethusa

I have a bracelet, too!

/whiny, stamping foot

300 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:39pm

re: #288 Maui Girl

I live here which means I work here - alot. Live a block from the beach but can't remember the last time I put my feet in the ocean. It's a shame really.

yup. people save their whole lives to get 2 weeks were you live...and you don't even use the beach..now thats irony.

301 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:52pm

re: #288 Maui Girl

I live here which means I work here - alot. Live a block from the beach but can't remember the last time I put my feet in the ocean. It's a shame really.

greetings...
I've got to got in a few..mrs.hoopster has given me the 2 minute warning..
jeez..only 2 hours to get ready..
Look forward to chatting with you..After College we moved to Hawaii for 3 years...
Enjoy your time here..See ya lizards in the morning...

302 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:56pm

Haaar, been having a lot of fun with Pandora.commusic lately. Enjoy, Yaaar!

303 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 6:59:58pm

re: #285 Bobblehead

Yeah the fifty's were great, but then came the 60's assassinations, SDS, Riots, confusion about the war. Yeah the sixties are very hard to forget.

304 mama winger  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:00:20pm

I should have been a cowboy

Stealing the young girls' hearts
Just like Gene and Roy

305 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:00:24pm

re: #260 jonathan1984

None taken. Am I setting some sort of record for youngest hatchling, or not quite yet?


This is the internet, every man is Brad Pitt and every woman is Salma Hayek. Ooops wrong site, uhh forget that.

306 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:00:31pm

re: #296 SlartyBartfast

Golden age...yeah, but I also remember we had a "storm cellar" out behind the house that was concrete with a (scavenged) steel road-grader blade on top, all covered in a foot or two of earth. Probably adequate for all but a direct hit by a...uh, er...tornado.

BTW, I was born in the last couple of weeks of Eisenhower's administration...and proud to have the opportunity to mention him and my Republican birthright.

I'd love to find a house that had a "storm cellar."

I read once where there's probably more than people know because the folks who built them were paranoid about the neighbors knowing and therefore having to turn them away in an emergency--they kept it secret what they were building. It'd be fascinating to know how many are lost to history under people's back yards.

307 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:00:40pm

re: #288 Maui Girl

I live here which means I work here - alot. Live a block from the beach but can't remember the last time I put my feet in the ocean. It's a shame really.

Yep, by the fourth year I lived in Florida, we weren't going to the beach at all.

308 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:01:17pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration?

or am I dating myself?

Yep.

309 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:01:32pm

PIMF is my friend..whatever..:)
see ya in the morning!

310 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:10pm

I'm old enough to remember wing windows on the car, pop tops on beer cans, when English was the language of the Land, drinking out of a garden hose and when AIDS was just a diet candy

311 Outrider  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:12pm

re: #266 mama winger

Children. I'm talking to children.

Easy to feel that way. Like the cops and doctors all look like teenagers.

312 outsidephilly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:18pm

Think the Phillies manager Charlie Manuel would be a chit-chatter here on LGF?

313 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:02:36pm

re: #238 Shay4l

"I had to pay $25.00 for gas when he was only $1.05. " is a very Canadian expression.

No disrespect meant. Canadian clear-thinkers are most welcome, in any case.

Really? I've never heard it before and I'm Canadian.

/"Good things gro-oh-oh in Ontario!"

314 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:03:12pm

re: #273 Beach Lover

Yes! I noticed the same thing and also thought "What a strange way to put it...fight for the commander in chief"! I also thought...only he would think that they are there for HIM, not fighting for the country. Just comes natural to the guy...its all about him!

I wondering if with Obama America loses it's purpose, individual rights. How does he see America?

315 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:03:35pm

re: #310 Shug

I'm old enough to remember wing windows on the car, pop tops on beer cans, when English was the language of the Land, drinking out of a garden hose and when AIDS was just a diet candy

Were those the little chewy candies? Chocolate and caramel?

316 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:03:41pm

re: #254 WriterMom

BOO!

I'm in, I'm finally in!

/

Oh, I hope you're not like that other WriterMom.

/Just teasing. Hiya.

317 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:07pm

re: #315 JacksonTn

yes, they were chocolate I think. very yummy

318 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:14pm

McLaughlin Group consensus is that in six months, this financial panic will look not as bad as we thought.

Fools.

319 Spellcheck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:29pm

I started paying attention during the Kennedy years. I was 11 at the time of the assassination, old enough to be aware that something bad was happening.

320 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:32pm

BBL mates, me' dawgs are calling...

321 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:42pm

re: #236 Palandine

It's either tax increases or Bob Mugabe's strategy of "print more money!"

Well, there's actually a better option: the government can stop spending so much money. Sorry, but it was never the intention of the Founding Fathers to steal money from productive citizens in order to give it to a bunch of lazy, irresponsible slobs.

I'd just like them to be somewhat fair. EVERYBODY should pay something, contribute something to the treasury. Even if it's the widow's mite, so be it.

I'm with you. It's bullshit that so many people don't pay any federal income tax (and some even get refunds via the earned income credit). There shouldn't be taxation without representation; and there shouldn't be representation without taxation.

322 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:04:56pm

re: #310 Shug

I'm old enough to remember wing windows on the car, pop tops on beer cans, when English was the language of the Land, drinking out of a garden hose and when AIDS was just a diet candy

Remember when 7UP and Coke came in those cute, little bottles?

323 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:05:08pm

re: #274 mama winger

Well, maybe more golden for some than others. Remember Jim Crow laws?

324 JacksonTn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:05:09pm

re: #317 Shug

yes, they were chocolate I think. very yummy

Anybody remember what this was

Pssst!

325 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:05:41pm
326 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:06:42pm

re: #321 David Simon

Well, there's actually a better option: the government can stop spending so much money.

Now that's just crazy talk. :)

I regret that I have but one upding to give.

327 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:07:33pm

re: #323 legalpad

Well, maybe more golden for some than others. Remember Jim Crow laws?

Yeah, those Democrats sure were bigots.

328 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:07:52pm

re: #310 Shug

I'm old enough to remember wing windows on the car, pop tops on beer cans, when English was the language of the Land, drinking out of a garden hose and when AIDS was just a diet candy

I remember steel cans and no pop-tops. Needed the "church key".

329 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:08:06pm

re: #314 Archimedes

I wondering if with Obama America loses it's purpose, individual rights. How does he see America?

who knows? I'm hoping we won't have to find out!

330 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:08:09pm

Duh, uh, okay...(I love "Jump to Bottom." Is that new?)

331 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:08:12pm

Yee-hawww!

44-16 Stamps over the Argos late in the fourth quarter.

Na-na-na-na
Na-na-na-naaa
Hey hey heyyy, goodbye!

*does the shimmy*

:D

332 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:08:16pm

re: #319 Spellcheck

I was in the eighth grade when JFK was shot. I'll never forget it. We had these "VoyCall" intercom systems in our classrooms and the principal made the announcement to all of us. What a shock it was.

333 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:08:22pm

I walked in to Lowe's today for a light bulb, they had Christmans trees out on display...I had to check the date...Sept 27th...Christmas trees...oy vay!

334 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:09:02pm

Hey, my team is winning. I haven't paid much attention to sports since kids and 911. Perspective.

335 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:09:13pm

re: #333 Spider Mensch

I walked in to Lowe's today for a light bulb, they had Christmans trees out on display...I had to check the date...Sept 27th...Christmas trees...oy vay!


pimf Christmas

336 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:10:25pm
/"Good things gro-oh-oh in Ontario!"

Yeesh! I hate that smarmy commercial.

337 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:10:29pm

re: #321 David Simon

I'm with you. It's bullshit that so many people don't pay any federal income tax (and some even get refunds via the earned income credit). There shouldn't be taxation without representation; and there shouldn't be representation without taxation.

I have a real radical idea for meeting a financial crisis. Cut Federal pay rates. Take %15 off every payrate in the GS scale and %10-%20 off the other civilian pay rates.

338 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:10:33pm

re: #333 Spider Mensch

I walked in to Lowe's today for a light bulb, they had Christmans trees out on display...I had to check the date...Sept 27th...Christmas trees...oy vay!

So did Target! Think they're telling us we should buy before we're all broke?

339 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:11:16pm

re: #296 SlartyBartfast

I started my son off on his Republican heritage in 1980. He was only a couple of months old but I took him into the voting booth and said; "See what Mommy is doing? I'm pulling the lever for Ronald Reagan." I say it is never too early to start kids on the path to conservatism.

340 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:11:42pm

re: #321 David Simon

How about tax-rebation without taxation?

341 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:12:16pm

re: #285 Bobblehead

I agree. I loved growing up in the 50's.

Geez. The 70's and 80's were not that bad. Grew up in a nice suburb that still had a rural flavor (the neighbors behind us kept a beehive). Summer days, school afternoons & weekends spent playing outside until dark, or swimming at the pool at my aunt's apartment complex. Great kids' movies like Willy Wonka, Bedknobs & Broomsticks, Mary Poppins, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, 101 Dalmations, The Aristocats, Lady & the Tramp. Then Jaws and the Star Wars trilogy, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, and memorable B movies like Tron, Gremlins, Escape From New York, Excalibur, Conan the Barbarian. Baseball ... the KC Royals were a hot team in those days and summer nights were often electric, with everyone in the city not at the ballpark listening to the game on radio. Reagan was President and even though things got tense at times with the Russians, we never got as close as the Cuban Missile crisis. No major wars. The 1980 Winter Olympics and the "Miracle on Ice," the '84 Summer Olympics with Mary Lou Retton and the men's gymnastics gold and Carl Lewis on the track.

I'm happy to have grown up in the 70's and 80's.

342 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:25pm

re: #339 Bobblehead

I started my son off on his Republican heritage in 1980. He was only a couple of months old but I took him into the voting booth and said; "See what Mommy is doing? I'm pulling the lever for Ronald Reagan." I say it is never too early to start kids on the path to conservatism.

God bless you(!) and, as Ronald Reagan always said, "God bless the United States of America"!

343 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:47pm

re: #336 Miss Trixie

Yeesh! I hate that smarmy commercial.

Ha!

Remember this one?

They say that in the army
The water's mighty fine
You ask for a glass of water
They give you turpentine

Oh I don't want no more of army life
Gee Ma I wanna go
Back to Ontario
Gee Ma I wanna go
Ho-o-ome!

[There's more but I can't remember it.]

344 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:13:50pm

Spaghetti out of a can and Danish blue cheese.

Life is good.

345 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:01pm

re: #339 Bobblehead

I started my son off on his Republican heritage in 1980. He was only a couple of months old but I took him into the voting booth and said; "See what Mommy is doing? I'm pulling the lever for Ronald Reagan." I say it is never too early to start kids on the path to conservatism.

I was pretty much democrat-ish in what I thought when I was early teens. Talked to my dad about it, he didn't try to tell me anything one way or another. But he did keep dropping suggestions that I read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Finally, summer when I was 14, I read it. Never looked back. I've always marveled how he showed me the way, without lecturing or instructing. Nice work, Dad.

346 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:21pm

re: #327 David Simon

Yeah, those Democrats sure were bigots.

Well, I think there were plenty to go around. Separate bathrooms, water fountains, couldn't sit in restaurants, drugstores; it was bizarre to actually see it. I heard first hand tales of capricious attacks on children. I didn't know anyone's political affiliations.

347 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:35pm

I must say (because I must) that LGF is not my favorite blog based on content, but it is the blog I frequent the most because it is the easiest to use and navigate. I probably would spend far more time on JihadWatch/DhimmiWatch if it were a little more user-friendly. Charles is ruining me for other blogs.

I did start lurking here the day of the Rather infamous memo: "Did they have that typeset with that kerning then?" I don't remember which website linked me to LGF that day, but I stuck around. It took several years (I was in grad school using school computers at the time) before I had my own non-Yahoo/non-Hotmail email address and was able to register here.

348 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:14:48pm

re: #332 Pvt Bin Jammin

I was in the eighth grade when JFK was shot. I'll never forget it. We had these "VoyCall" intercom systems in our classrooms and the principal made the announcement to all of us. What a shock it was.


Same here! The old intercom with all the static came on and we knew something big had happened, cause it was in the middle of class and not during announcements. first they came on and said something had happened and that he had been shot...then came back on in a few minutes and said he was killed. Just remember the looks on everyone's faces walking to my next class...no one said a thing. Just silence and tears. We had a snow/ice storm that day and had to go home from school shortly there after and was off anyway for the next few days.

349 Bobblehead  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:10pm

re: #303 jainphx

Yeah the fifty's were great, but then came the 60's assassinations, SDS, Riots, confusion about the war. Yeah the sixties are very hard to forget.

Yeah. I started college in 67. By the time I graduated I thought I had seen it all. LOL

350 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:26pm

re: #310 Shug

I'm old enough to remember wing windows on the car, pop tops on beer cans, when English was the language of the Land, drinking out of a garden hose and when AIDS was just a diet candy

Remember TV's with all the vacuum tubes inside? I used to love when my father and i would take the suspect tubes to the store and check them in the "tube checking device" to see if they were good or not.

351 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:39pm

re: #341 Tigger2005

I'm happy to have grown up in the 70's and 80's.


Me, too. Especially once Carter lost - first election I can remember. I voted against Carter and for Reagan in the first-grade election because it seemed like he was always holding press conferences about the hostage crisis on the same nights a Peanuts cartoon was on, and the cartoon would inevitably be canceled. My father assured me Reagan would never do such a thing, and that was all I needed to hear.

352 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:15:57pm

re: #350 alien_mind

I remember that tube checker

353 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:16:11pm

y'know, just thinking out loud here, but on the McLaughlin Group just now, Mort Zuckerman was apparently supporting the Republican preference for loans and guarantees for financial firms, instead of Paulson's proposed asset swap. Rich Lowry laughed at Zuckerman for being so wrong.

I think Lowry is right, Zuckerman and the Republicans are wrong, they do not understand the technical issues.

Paulson might propose some other solution besides the wholesale swap of CDOs for new treasury bonds. Republicans or Democrats might insist on taking some huge equity positions in the firms, as the price of these swaps. But the same effect can be had by arranging the swaps at an appropriately lower valuation.

In brief, I am somewhat afraid that the Republicans are blowing it bigtime. If things fall apart while they are dithering, I hate to think of the consequences.

(which actually might be minor, as nobody will every quite understand or believe just how they blew it anyway)

Just tons of uncertainty remain all about this.

Well, but enough of this for this Saturday night, I guess.

354 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:16:59pm

re: #329 Beach Lover

who knows? I'm hoping we won't have to find out!

Quite so. But, it's fascinating that we all noted the same thing.

355 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:17:07pm

re: #351 arethusa

Me, too. Especially once Carter lost - first election I can remember. I voted against Carter and for Reagan in the first-grade election because it seemed like he was always holding press conferences about the hostage crisis on the same nights a Peanuts cartoon was on, and the cartoon would inevitably be canceled. My father assured me Reagan would never do such a thing, and that was all I needed to hear.

LOL I was pissed when they interrupted the premier of Battlestar Galactica to show the Israel/Egyptian peace treaty signing ...

356 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:17:28pm

re: #337 lifeofthemind

I have a real radical idea for meeting a financial crisis. Cut Federal pay rates. Take %15 off every payrate in the GS scale and %10-%20 off the other civilian pay rates.

Well, it's hard to argue with you; that plan certainly cuts wasteful spending. ;->

Seriously though, if we don't rethink the role of government vis a vis "entitlement" programs, our country is eventually doomed.

357 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:17:30pm

re: #347 David IV of Georgia

I must say (because I must) that LGF is not my favorite blog based on content, but it is the blog I frequent the most because it is the easiest to use and navigate. I probably would spend far more time on JihadWatch/DhimmiWatch if it were a little more user-friendly. Charles is ruining me for other blogs.

That's great. "You're not very good-lucking and you're boring to listen to, but you live down the road and you're usually lonely if I call you after coming home drunk..."

Feel great about ourselves ;)

358 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:17:56pm

re: #310 Shug

I'm old enough to remember wing windows on the car, pop tops on beer cans, when English was the language of the Land, drinking out of a garden hose and when AIDS was just a diet candy

TV vacuum tubes and wing windows—that's youngster stuff.

359 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:07pm

re: #348 Beach Lover

We all got to go home from school within an hour of the announcement. Nobody really seemed excited to be out of school a few hours early. What a horrible, sad day.

360 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:09pm

re: #343 Josephine

Ha!

Remember this one?

They say that in the army
The water's mighty fine
You ask for a glass of water
They give you turpentine

Oh I don't want no more of army life
Gee Ma I wanna go
Back to Ontario
Gee Ma I wanna go
Ho-o-ome!

[There's more but I can't remember it.]

Oh YEAH! Summer camp in the Rockies of Alberta. Skinny-dipping in the mountain lakes, snipe-hunting, short-sheeting, frog-hunting and singing that song (one of many) 'round the campfire. 'Cept we subbed Alberty for Ontari-ari-o. :D

361 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:20pm

re: #348 Beach Lover

Same here! The old intercom with all the static came on and we knew something big had happened, cause it was in the middle of class and not during announcements. first they came on and said something had happened and that he had been shot...then came back on in a few minutes and said he was killed. Just remember the looks on everyone's faces walking to my next class...no one said a thing. Just silence and tears. We had a snow/ice storm that day and had to go home from school shortly there after and was off anyway for the next few days.

Exactly the same experience. Went home watched the TV. Watched it all unfold including the killing of Oswald in real time and the Kennedy funeral. Unforgettable stuff.

362 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:18:43pm

re: #357 cliffster

That's great. "You're not very good-lucking and you're boring to listen to, but you live down the road and you're usually lonely if I call you after coming home drunk..."

Feel great about ourselves ;)

I joined for the Lizard Spirit!

363 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:09pm

re: #340 cliffster

How about tax-rebation without taxation?

Funny how that worked, isn't it? The folks who pay in 90+% of the taxes didn't get a "rebate."

364 lifeofthemind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:13pm

Goodnite ladies.

365 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:33pm

re: #357 cliffster

LOL

366 Spider Mensch  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:33pm

re: #357 cliffster

That's great. "You're not very good-lucking and you're boring to listen to, but you live down the road and you're usually lonely if I call you after coming home drunk..."

Feel great about ourselves ;)

sounds like the russian mating call..

367 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:54pm

I don't understand why our elected officials are still so freaking ignorant of what is going on! For God's sake this is the time to take the ideological blinders off and listen to what the majority of the experts say, and DO IT!

re: #353 itellu3times

y'know, just thinking out loud here, but on the McLaughlin Group just now, Mort Zuckerman was apparently supporting the Republican preference for loans and guarantees for financial firms, instead of Paulson's proposed asset swap. Rich Lowry laughed at Zuckerman for being so wrong.

I think Lowry is right, Zuckerman and the Republicans are wrong, they do not understand the technical issues.

Paulson might propose some other solution besides the wholesale swap of CDOs for new treasury bonds. Republicans or Democrats might insist on taking some huge equity positions in the firms, as the price of these swaps. But the same effect can be had by arranging the swaps at an appropriately lower valuation.

In brief, I am somewhat afraid that the Republicans are blowing it bigtime. If things fall apart while they are dithering, I hate to think of the consequences.

(which actually might be minor, as nobody will every quite understand or believe just how they blew it anyway)

Just tons of uncertainty remain all about this.

Well, but enough of this for this Saturday night, I guess.

368 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:19:58pm

re: #349 Bobblehead

I would say that you did see every thing, wasn't much left to the imagination in the 60's

369 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:20:20pm

re: #344 Geepers

Spaghetti out of a can and Danish blue cheese.

Life is good.

&#9834 &#9834 me-me-me-me-me-me &#9834 &#9834

&#9836 &#9834 ON TOP OF SPAGHETTI ... &#9834 &#9834

370 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:26pm

Someone posted this earlier (whoever it is, step forth! I can't remember who it was).

Has everyone watched it? Back in 2004, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Gregory Meeks, etc., all talking about how Fannie and Freddie don't need more oversight, and berating the Regulator. Obama's friend Franklin Raines puts in his 2c. also. Maxine Waters talking about how great 100% loans are. What a bunch of lying morons. UGH You can almost see the frustration waves emanating from the Republicans' heads...

Really, watch it if you haven't yet.

371 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:29pm

re: #363 David Simon

Funny how that worked, isn't it? The folks who pay in 90+% of the taxes didn't get a "rebate."

Taxrebation. Heh.

372 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:29pm

re: #350 alien_mind

Don't tell anyone, but I remember the ice man bringing ice for our ice boxes.

373 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:40pm

re: #357 cliffster

That's great. "You're not very good-lucking and you're boring to listen to, but you live down the road and you're usually lonely if I call you after coming home drunk..."

Feel great about ourselves ;)

Thanks for the laugh. I must say that any big story on other blogs also ends up at LGF—usually one or two days before any MSM outlet acknowledges the story's existence. LGF more than holds its own.

374 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:21:48pm

re: #346 legalpad

Well, I think there were plenty to go around. Separate bathrooms, water fountains, couldn't sit in restaurants, drugstores; it was bizarre to actually see it. I heard first hand tales of capricious attacks on children. I didn't know anyone's political affiliations.

Then I suggest you read and learn.

375 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:22:48pm
376 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:01pm

re: #374 David Simon

Then I suggest you read and learn.

What are you talking about?

377 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:02pm

Can anyone explain this new Obama ad to me?

(It fantasizes McCain is elected 11/4. It does not explain why this is a bad thing.)

378 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:03pm

re: #353 itellu3times

If there's no deal tomorrow, or a really crappy deal, it'll be interesting to see how the other markets open.

379 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:23:15pm

Here's a silver lining for all those "victims".

Renting Makes More Financial Sense Than Homeownership

380 Outrider  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:24:55pm

re: #337 lifeofthemind

I have a real radical idea for meeting a financial crisis. Cut Federal pay rates. Take %15 off every payrate in the GS scale and %10-%20 off the other civilian pay rates.

Thanks. That will really help this family one hell of a lot! My wife works damn hard as as GS employee. Not every freaking government job is filled with someone sucking the government teat. I suggest refiguring just who those faceless GS employees are that you want to suck it up.

381 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:25:24pm
382 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:25:54pm

re: #379 ciaospirit

Here's a silver lining for all those "victims".

Renting Makes More Financial Sense Than Homeownership

Well I'm happy debt-slave!

383 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:26:48pm

re: #367 Tigger2005

The people that founded our country learned latin and greek when they were nine. They were smarter than most of us by the time they could procreate. They personal ambitions and aspirations, but they never put that in front of this wonderful thing, our country, they were creating from scratch.

Find somebody like that in any of the three branches these days.

384 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:26:50pm

re: #360 Miss Trixie

As I child I thought it was an Ontario song but as I was typing it I realized it probably wasn't specific only to Ontario.

They say that in the army
The shoes are mighty fine
You ask for a size 11
They give you number 9
Oh...

Summer camp in the Rockies. Wow, sounds great.

I went to Brownie camp on Lake Erie once but it was too polluted even to hang out on the beach. They took us for a quick look and ran us back to camp before we caught some bizarre, incurable infection.

You know the kd lang song, "She was a big-boned gal from Southern Alberta..."?

385 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:27:22pm

Miss Trixie (#369),

♪ ♪ me-me-me-me-me-me ♪ ♪

♬ ♪ ON TOP OF SPAGHETTI ... ♪ ♪

Hey old timer.

How's tricks?

386 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:08pm

re: #377 arethusa

One of the comments (why do I do this to myself):

waaa ... and war in Iran begins ...

Guatanamo is rebuild and creativeness is cut one for all. Mental actions in the US are ending and fear and harshness will guide the world into a global winter. McCain will celebrate his 80th birthday in the ruins of Teheran and Palin gets familiy minister, CIA chief and a friend of the pope. Every $ is spend on the war on terror and millions will suffer hunger and sickness.


Please vote Obama ..

This comment got 23 thumbs up. I kid you not. It doesn't even make sense, I'm thinking it was posted by some guy that sounds like the one in the "Leave Brittney alooonnneee!" video. Or at least that's how I hear it in my head while reading it. My brain hurts...

387 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:09pm

re: #372 jainphx

Don't tell anyone, but I remember the ice man bringing ice for our ice boxes.

geez...you really ARE old! :-)

388 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:33pm

Housing crisis,Watch this,,and give a link to all your friends.
Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?


I'll be back later.Im a gittin me some hanging rope ready.

389 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:28:59pm

re: #376 legalpad

What are you talking about?

Um, YOU are the one who brought up Jim Crow laws. I pointed out that Democrats were responsible. YOU said there's enough blame to go around, but admitted you really didn't know. Is that any clearer?

390 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:29:30pm

I bank with Bank of America and my mortgage was with them, it's with Countrywide since I refinanced with a fixed rate (I refinanced with a 5-year ARM to pay off my wife in our divorce).

But if BoA goes under, I have pretty much nothing in there right now.


re: #375 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

A note to self, check out who needs this bail out the most.

note to self,
bad loan makers
Countrywide (bad loans kings) = Bank of America
Wamoo (wide world of bad loans too) = Citi Bank
Bear Sterns (owner of the above originated bad loans now bundled) = Morgan/Chase

then note to self, check out the major stock holders of the big banks and such that have gone under,,,
note: names like Strauss (former head of DNC) you know like that,

then who are the major owners of the buying banks who need the bad loans they just bought made better or,,, "hedged" , "co-insured" by deep pockets (u.s. tax payers aka the U.S. Govt.)

like in Bank of Americas case , the big Democratic donors of the like of the Fleet/Boston mortgage company Bank of America merged with prior,

fe, fi, fo, fum, I smell the greed of paid off Democrats,Barney Franks and New York State U.S. Senators (there are two of them)

follow the money, follow the need for the greed to make these bad loans good,,,

be careful of which you finger, fingers break

391 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:30:38pm

re: #384 Josephine

As I child I thought it was an Ontario song but as I was typing it I realized it probably wasn't specific only to Ontario.

They say that in the army
The shoes are mighty fine
You ask for a size 11
They give you number 9
Oh...

Summer camp in the Rockies. Wow, sounds great.

I went to Brownie camp on Lake Erie once but it was too polluted even to hang out on the beach. They took us for a quick look and ran us back to camp before we caught some bizarre, incurable infection.

You know the kd lang song, "She was a big-boned gal from Southern Alberta..."?

That one I don't know but I really enjoyed her performance at the 1988 Winter Olympics in Calgary, my home town. No one and I mean NO ONE can put on a party like Calgary. :D

Lawdy I miss my Rockies. Ottawa is the town that Fun forgot.

392 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:31:02pm

re: #381 Maximu§

Well well well...

Three held as Mohammed book publisher set ablaze

Londonistan. What else is new? The publisher will probably be the one charged. For hate speech.

393 jainphx  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #387 Beach Lover

The ice man had a horse drawn wagon. He walked behind the wagon and the horse automaticly stopped at all stops.

394 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #386 gop_patriot

One of the comments (why do I do this to myself):

This comment got 23 thumbs up. I kid you not. It doesn't even make sense, I'm thinking it was posted by some guy that sounds like the one in the "Leave Brittney alooonnneee!" video. Or at least that's how I hear it in my head while reading it. My brain hurts...


Was that supposed to be English? Or is it some sort of code?

395 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:34:16pm

re: #392 ciaospirit

Londonistan. What else is new? The publisher will probably be the one charged. For hate speech.

Now thats a thought. In fact the International Court of Justice in Hague should file hate speech charges against the publisher.

How dare she upset radical islam!

396 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:34:28pm

re: #393 jainphx

The ice man had a horse drawn wagon. He walked behind the wagon and the horse automaticly stopped at all stops.

That is cool.

397 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:34:39pm

re: #391 Miss Trixie

That one I don't know but I really enjoyed her performance at the 1988 Winter Olympics in Calgary, my home town. No one and I mean NO ONE can put on a party like Calgary. :D

Lawdy I miss my Rockies. Ottawa is the town that Fun forgot.

Do you know this Canadian (comedy) group?
Arrogant Worms - Carrot Juice is Murder.

And this is inside Canada type stuff:
Ontario Sucks:

398 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:34:43pm

re: #386 gop_patriot

One of the comments (why do I do this to myself):

This comment got 23 thumbs up. I kid you not. It doesn't even make sense, I'm thinking it was posted by some guy that sounds like the one in the "Leave Brittney alooonnneee!" video. Or at least that's how I hear it in my head while reading it. My brain hurts...

It looks like it was posted from Tehran.

399 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:35:12pm

re: #385 Geepers

Miss Trixie (#369),


Hey old timer.

How's tricks?

LOL! Old-timer. *snort* :D

Things are good, thanks for asking. My Stamps kicked Argo butt, my 75 year-old mom just sent me pics of her Alaska cruise and I've been enjoying a little Aussie Shiraz after my dinner of roast chook and salad.

Life is good indeed. You?

400 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:04pm

re: #352 Shug

I remember that tube checker

Ah, the memories of childhood. Seems like they were always in drugstores.

401 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:04pm

re: #383 cliffster

you mean like George Washington, who turned down a third term?

King George III said if he did turn down a third term he would be the greatest character of the age.

402 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:08pm

re: #391 Miss Trixie

That one I don't know but I really enjoyed her performance at the 1988 Winter Olympics in Calgary, my home town. No one and I mean NO ONE can put on a party like Calgary. :D

Lawdy I miss my Rockies. Ottawa is the town that Fun forgot.

I love kd lang's voice: so gorgeous.

I loved Ottawa but all of our activities were centred around our young daughter so that's a different kind of fun. Museums, parks, gymnastics classes at the rec centre, McDonalds and Laura Secord... My idea of a fun time on my own was visiting a used book store. (In other words, I'm boring.)

403 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:33pm

David IV of Georgia (#394),

Was that supposed to be English? Or is it some sort of code?

A symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome: Emphatic Gibberish.

404 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:37:52pm

re: #390 Tigger2005
I hadn't heard anything about BofA. We bank at BofA and Wachovia as both are headquartered here in Charlotte, it could be interesting times. Charlotte has been immune to all the housing pitfalls up to now. Our markets have been strong and money still being spent...we just don't have any gas!

I worked at the bank that was bought out by Wachovia...1st Union, and the bank before that buyout. I hate to see it go to a foreign group. My money will come out of it when that happens.

405 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:38:06pm

re: #393 jainphx

The ice man had a horse drawn wagon. He walked behind the wagon and the horse automaticly stopped at all stops.

My grandfather was an iceman before WW II. They say he could run up stairs with 100 lbs. of ice on each shoulder. In WW II he could parachute with a heavy machine gun and a couple of boxes of ammo. He said that was what kept him alive—he fell too fast to shoot at.

406 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:38:19pm

re: #393 jainphx

The ice man had a horse drawn wagon. He walked behind the wagon and the horse automaticly stopped at all stops.

*creeeaaak*

:P

407 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:25pm

re: #386 gop_patriot

Oh, I get the ad. It's about voter turnout - McCain wins because of low voter turnout.

Is the Obama camp worried about turnout?

408 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:40pm

re: #386 gop_patriot

Guatanamo is rebuild and creativeness is cut one for all.

That's just begging to be a rotating title. Well, that whole comment is, but it can't be that long.

409 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:39:58pm

re: #381 Maximu§

Well well well...

Three held as Mohammed book publisher set ablaze

I wonder if Sherry Jones is in protective custody.

Fucking savages.

410 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:40:19pm

re: #46 arethusa

Do we haze the hatchlings, or are we nice?

(Rolls up newspaper)
(whaps arethusa right upside the head)
Any questions?
:)

411 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:40:33pm

re: #394 David IV of Georgia

Was that supposed to be English? Or is it some sort of code?

I don't know, but even taking into account the pitiful English, the content is idiotic enough to make my head hurt. Gah.

re: #398 Pullus Iulius

It looks like it was posted from Tehran.

Well, that explains a lot, it's probably Achmedinejad (sp).

412 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:40:42pm

re: #389 David Simon

Um, YOU are the one who brought up Jim Crow laws. I pointed out that Democrats were responsible. YOU said there's enough blame to go around, but admitted you really didn't know. Is that any clearer?

Well, yes, I did bring it up, and I was not referring to the origin of the laws. Someone said they were golden years and those laws made them not for some. It was irrelevant to my point who passed the laws. You singled out Democrats as being bigots. Since they ran most state legislatures in the south, they would be responsible for passing Jim Crow laws, but it does not automatically mean that no Republicans were bigots. I knew hundreds of them who were.
When I indicated that I didn't know the political affiliation of bigots, I was speaking of specific people who told me of their personal acts of bigotry. They were too stupid to discuss politics with. These particular people probably did not vote. I was not referring to the passers of the laws. Are you asserting that the Republicans of the era fought the Democrats on these issues?

413 SurferDoc  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:49pm

re: #393 jainphx

The ice man had a horse drawn wagon. He walked behind the wagon and the horse automaticly stopped at all stops.

I remember my grandfather throwing out the ice box at his little summer home because he had finally brought an old refrigerator there. The refrigerator had a coil on the top. The Subway Series. Sal Maglie. Italian Popes. Coke in thick, glass bottles in the machine for a nickel. Going to the movies for 35 cents. Penny postcards. The birth of Rock and Roll. What a time to be a kid.

414 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:41:51pm

re: #401 switter

you mean like George Washington, who turned down a third term?

King George III said if he did turn down a third term he would be the greatest character of the age.

Yeah, like that guy. He was alright, that George guy.

Can you imagine, say, Tom Daschle and Newt Gingrich exchanging a set of letters with one another? Thoughtful, respectful, intellectual discourse? And then creating legislation that followed that written debate?

415 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:42:34pm

Miss Trixie (#399),

You?

Tired, sore and broke.

What more could you ask for?

Well, I do have my forth (and final) root canal coming up next week, so I've got that to look forward to.

416 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:42:46pm

re: #410 PSGInfinity

(Rolls up newspaper)
(whaps arethusa right upside the head)
Any questions?
:)

Thanks! I needed that! :)

417 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:43:38pm

re: #383 cliffster

The people that founded our country learned latin and greek when they were nine. They were smarter than most of us by the time they could procreate. They personal ambitions and aspirations, but they never put that in front of this wonderful thing, our country, they were creating from scratch.

Find somebody like that in any of the three branches these days.

I can think of several including some supreme court justices and a certain presidential candidate.

418 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:43:39pm

re: #407 arethusa

I hope so!

/personally, I loved that ad, but probably for much different reasons than the Obama guys wanted. Ha! :)

419 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:43:57pm

re: #381 Maximu§

Well well well...

Three held as Mohammed book publisher set ablaze

Don't say we are killers or we will kill you all.

Whatever happened to the press that would publish the truth regardless of consequence? Or did it ever exist outside of fiction?

420 Christopher Luebcke  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:44:07pm
But you can define an array, then serialize it and define the resulting serialized string as a constant. Then when you need to use it, even within a function or object method, you can simply unserialize the array and you’re good to go.

Like I needed another reason to hate PHP.

421 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:44:18pm

re: #403 Geepers

David IV of Georgia (#394),

A symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome: Emphatic Gibberish.

Authentic Internet gibberish!
/Rarry!

I guess that moronic poster doesn't know that whoever wins, Gitmo's (the prison, not the naval base) closing. McCain wants to do it too, more's the pity...

422 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:21pm

re: #383 cliffster

The people that founded our country learned latin and greek when they were nine. They were smarter than most of us by the time they could procreate. They personal ambitions and aspirations, but they never put that in front of this wonderful thing, our country, they were creating from scratch.

Find somebody like that in any of the three branches these days.

That's why I wish they would just listen to the people who know what the hell they are talking about. I expected the Democrats to be fucking idiots, I didn't expect the Republicans to scare the shit out of me too! It's like we're facing WW2 and they're fucking around with the best way to fight it instead of listening to the generals! Pass the damn bill so we can keep our heads above the water for another few months while we work out a long term fix! Jeezes!

423 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:45:48pm

re: #417 The Shadow Do

I can think of several including some supreme court justices and a certain presidential candidate.

You know what? You're right - they are there, and I shouldn't say otherwise. But not like it was then. Or at least, what our picture of what it was like then.

424 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:46:31pm

re: #415 Geepers

Miss Trixie (#399),


Tired, sore and broke.

What more could you ask for?

Well, I do have my forth (and final) root canal coming up next week, so I've got that to look forward to.

Yikes! I feel your pain, twice - no fun *mwah* Hope you're back in your scrappy form soon.

I'm out - need my beauty sleep and it's been a long busy day.

G'nite folks.

*yawwwn*

425 Josephine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:46:33pm

Good night, folks.

Now I've got, "Ontario sucks, Ontario sucks..." stuck in my head, LOL.

426 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:46:36pm

re: #332 Pvt Bin Jammin

I was 24, and pregnant with our oldest. We were living in my hometown, a Boston suburb, as my husband was in the US Army, stationed at the now-defunct Boston Army Base, as a lab tech.

I head a bulletin on the radio, and turned the TV on right away...to see Walter Cronkite, on CBS.

Until 9/11, I dated life as after the assassination. Now? I cannot and will not ever forget Nov.22, 1962...but after living through both? Now it is 9/11, with prayers that no calamity will ever befall the USA that will be the date we remember...

427 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:46:54pm

re: #414 cliffster

no. it seems like a distant universe.

428 Beach Lover  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:46:56pm

speaking of founding fathers...if you haven't seen "John Adams" from the HBO series, if it comes on again watch it. It was very interesting and made me really think what they went through to form this country.
Wonder what they would think to see it now.

429 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #421 Palandine

Authentic Internet gibberish!
/Rarry!

I guess that moronic poster doesn't know that whoever wins, Gitmo's (the prison, not the naval base) closing. McCain wants to do it too, more's the pity...

We'll just put'em somewhere else. I hope we don't tell anyone where.

430 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #412 legalpad

You singled out Democrats as being bigots. Since they ran most state legislatures in the south, they would be responsible for passing Jim Crow laws, but it does not automatically mean that no Republicans were bigots. I knew hundreds of them who were.

lol, you knew hundreds, huh? Of course there were - and are - Republican bigots. There will always be people who think that their lives are insufferable because of the blacks or the Jews or the Republicans etc.

Are you asserting that the Republicans of the era fought the Democrats on these issues?

Remind me who sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education?

431 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #427 switter

Hey, welcome aboard btw. Crazy-ass avatar.

432 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:49:22pm

re: #378 Palandine

If there's no deal tomorrow, or a really crappy deal, it'll be interesting to see how the other markets open.

Best estimates I've heard are you will see the DOW drop 30% to about 8200. I think unemployment would quickly rise to 10% or even possibly more. Underemployment would be another 10%.

The banking system is bleeding to death before your eyes (WaMu, Wachovia,etc).

There is no time for an insurance program to take effect and work for the banks. Large investors have been shifting their cash from money market funds into treasuries, so many banks have no cash deposits now to lend. That is why the Fed has been pumping in billlions to keep them afloat.

At the same time the "mark to market" SEC requirement on the mortgages requires the banks to value these mortgages at the fire sale price, thus having to reserve capital to write down the resulting calculated loss. You have a month end accounting period, and a quarter end coming in 3 days. You also had a quadruple witching hour happen this past Friday, when the futures contracts for this period expired, so the market can reset Monday. If this plan is not agreed to by the time the Asian markets open late Sunday night, I think the melt down starts in earnest, and if it does there will be no stopping it.

The fastest way to improve the situation is to change the "mark to market" rule to a net present value rule. That would free up hundreds of billions of bank assets. The SEC could do that tonight with the stroke of a pen (but Cox is too plain stupid to grasp that). The buy up the questionable loans and create an exchange for them, much like the stock market, so a clear and transparent price can be determined on an open bid situation.

I proposed a few days ago firing Cox (current head of the SEC. I would love to see someone of courage and integrity. like taxfreekiller, repalce him.

I posted an article at Jammies site earlier this evening on banks starting to tumble in Europe.

433 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:49:24pm

re: #370 gop_patriot

Thanks for that link! A must-see.

434 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:42pm

OT (or not)...

If my fellow Lizards hear anybody mention a "Manhattan Project" towards alternative energy (as mentioned here on my.barackobama.com or here on HuffPo) you can just start laughing. Here's the fundamental difference:

The Manhattan Project was the result of the world's preeminent Physicists going to the government (both US and Britain) and saying, "Hey, here's the physics...something powerful can be done with government backing."

It doesn't work backwards: government can't go to the scientific community and say, "Do something!" and expect any meaningful results. If the Physics are there, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at it.

Maybe the Republican Pres/VP candidates might keep this in mind next time BHO mentions weaning us from oil in 10 years.

435 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:50:44pm

re: #429 Tigger2005

We'll just put'em somewhere else. I hope we don't tell anyone where.

It will not be the secret concentration camp under the Denver Int'l Airport—that's reserved for aliens (the ones we don't like).

436 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:51:17pm

So, does anyone think that Sunday is the last day we have to enjoy a relatively prosperous America for the foreseeable future?

437 gop_patriot  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:52:25pm

re: #433 abolitionist

You're welcome, but someone else posted it earlier, either this thread or the last. I haven't found it yet. Credit where it's due! :)

438 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:52:36pm
439 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:52:37pm

re: #415 Geepers

Tired, sore and broke.

Sorry to hear that Geepers. Nice to talk to you though.

440 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:53:29pm

re: #432 3 wood

Super!

If the Asian markets start going to hell tomorrow, I'm filling up spare gas cans and doing other short-term preps.

441 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #115 vxbush

Eh, I gotta get read for bed folks. I'm exhausted from all the cleaning I had to do today. But, in theory, the fleas are gone, gone gone!

Missed one...

442 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:54:42pm

re: #436 Tigger2005

So, does anyone think that Sunday is the last day we have to enjoy a relatively prosperous America for the foreseeable future?

Nah. The floor will come out from under us if we don't change our ways, but our grandfathers and great-grandfathers built a big enough nest egg to give us one or two more decades of f***ing around.

443 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:09pm

OT - File under "Unclear on the concept"

Surfing around, I followed a link to an anti-Iraq war national council of churches site.

The place tells its readers to take action.

By displaying a bumper sticker.

Take action: Display a bumper sticker · Wear an arm band · Pray for Peace in a Public Place · Join the Campaign for Peace as part of the NCC.

If sign up, they'll send you a free bumper sticker.

444 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:16pm

re: #440 Palandine

Super!

If the Asian markets start going to hell tomorrow, I'm filling up spare gas cans and doing other short-term preps.

Anybody got any 100 lbs. sacks of Y2K beans left to sell?

/I hope this is just a joke.

445 Outrider  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:18pm

Frankly, I don't think the average American will see an immediate impact tomorrow. If the administration gets their collective heads out of their fourth points of contact, we will probably see minimal impact in the long term.
Or perhaps I am just an optimist? ;-)>

446 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:25pm

re: #431 cliffster

glad to be aboard. thanks.

btw, if you ever want to read a great book about great men, read Battles Of The Revolutionary War: 1775-1781 from W. J. Wood.
I read it three times.

447 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:32pm

3 wood (#432),

Can we put you in charge?

448 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:35pm

re: #419 David IV of Georgia

Don't say we are killers or we will kill you all.

Whatever happened to the press that would publish the truth regardless of consequence? Or did it ever exist outside of fiction?

Yeah, the press is in bed with radical islam and I think we know which one is on top. You can't even call the killers by name anymore...now this poor lady must fear for her life just for writing a book.

449 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:55:44pm

re: #416 arethusa

Thanks! I needed that! :)

No problem. If you're up, could you get me a beer?
/ducks

450 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:56:50pm

3 wood (#439),

Tired; from working on the house. Sore; from working on the house. Broke; ... well you can see the trend.

It's all good.

451 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:56:54pm

re: #436 Tigger2005

So, does anyone think that Sunday is the last day we have to enjoy a relatively prosperous America for the foreseeable future?

You're kidding right?

There is some serious money to be made in the next few weeks.

452 Outrider  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:57:52pm

re: #451 Racer X

You're kidding right?

There is some serious money to be made in the next few weeks.

True. But it won't stop the Doomsayers from their dark prophesies.

453 alien_mind  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:58:19pm

re: #372 jainphx

Don't tell anyone, but I remember the ice man bringing ice for our ice boxes.

you might have me beat on that one.

here's another memory of a bygone era; i remember in 2nd grade standing outside of the school each morning, everyone facing the flagpole with hand over heart and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

454 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:58:21pm

re: #449 PSGInfinity

No problem. If you're up, could you get me a beer?
/ducks

And get me a peach cigar? The thin one.

455 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:58:44pm

re: #444 David IV of Georgia

Anybody got any 100 lbs. sacks of Y2K beans left to sell?

/I hope this is just a joke.

I'm scared, but I'm not panicking. I don't get to retire for more than 30 years anyway. I have a solid job, no credit card debt, I rent, and I'm AHEAD on car payments. I also DO have the preps you jokingly mentioned above.

But I feel for those who will suffer, and I'm pretty blind with anger at the dems that are playing politics and loading this bill with pork and benefits for ACORN while the world holds its breath.

456 Tigger2005  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:59:14pm

3 wood, other people have to know this. Why can't the word be gotten through to anyone with the power to do something about it?

re: #432 3 wood

The fastest way to improve the situation is to change the "mark to market" rule to a net present value rule. That would free up hundreds of billions of bank assets. The SEC could do that tonight with the stroke of a pen (but Cox is too plain stupid to grasp that). The buy up the questionable loans and create an exchange for them, much like the stock market, so a clear and transparent price can be determined on an open bid situation.

I proposed a few days ago firing Cox (current head of the SEC. I would love to see someone of courage and integrity. like taxfreekiller, repalce him.

I posted an article at Jammies site earlier this evening on banks starting to tumble in Europe.

457 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:59:35pm

re: #77 FrogMarch

It's the smell of the media. They provide the corrupt democrats with all the cover they need.

What really distresses me is that so many of my fellow citizens are blind to being brainwashed and manipulated by the media. Been happening most of my life but beoming more and more blatant. Figure it's largely due to the removal of teaching critical thinking from school curricula. Ironic that the removal is from the same generation that preached 'Question authority'. Of course, now they're in charge we're not supposed to question authority. Tells me that the rules are whatever the frick they decide them to be...sheesh.

458 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:59:58pm

re: #75 Maui Girl

I need some help in choosing a new avatar. I'm tired of the little green football (no offense Charles). Can anyone steer me in the right direction.

How about a nice Hawaiian Papaya?

459 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 7:59:58pm

re: #432 3 wood

How much time do we have before our Overlords in China start tightening the screws on us?

460 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:00:00pm

re: #451 Racer X

You're kidding right?

There is some serious money to be made in the next few weeks.

Agreed. But where, you think? S&P? Specific stocks in finance? I'm thinking real estate will be a steal now, but only if you have the cash to buy it.

461 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:00:49pm

re: #443 Silhouette

I think it's a capital idea for friggin' idiots to wear armbands. Saves me valuable time pre-judging them.

462 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:01:06pm

I just counted about 12 Obama Commercials on FOX in the last two hours. They are really cranking these out.

463 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:02:30pm

re: #457 LGoPs

It's part of the reason why teacher's unions and the Democrats hate home schooling so profoundly -- they can't control the content and thus can't control the narrative.

464 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:02:49pm

re: #422 Tigger2005

I expected the Democrats to be fucking idiots, I didn't expect the Republicans to scare the shit out of me too! It's like we're facing WW2 and they're fucking around with the best way to fight it instead of listening to the generals! Pass the damn bill so we can keep our heads above the water for another few months while we work out a long term fix! Jeezes!

Best analogy I've heard is it's like 2 doctors arguing over which scalpel to use while the patient bleeds to death.

It is so maddening to watch this happening before my eyes.

465 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:03:19pm

I just got an e-mail from my son (USMC)
He's floating on the USS Denver. (Check the logo out!)

His first message:

Okay, how in the world were you able to do this for as long as you did. Do these things ever stop rocking?

heh.

466 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:03:39pm

ciaospirit (#454),

And get me a peach cigar? The thin one.

I've got some of those.

467 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:03:39pm

re: #461 Pullus Iulius

I think it's a capital idea for friggin' idiots to wear armbands. Saves me valuable time pre-judging them.

I saw a guy with a Lightening SS insignia on his arm this afternoon. I thought this was good—I could begin to despise him before he said or did something stupid.

468 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:03:57pm

re: #430 David Simon

lol, you knew hundreds, huh?

Yes, hundreds. We had a large extended family. We had many large gatherings of all types. Most of of our neighbors were Republicans. Almost everyone in my schools were Republicans. I thought about it before I put that number down.

Remind me who sent the National Guard to enforce Brown v. Board of Education?

1954, right, hey, let's not get in a silly debate. I didn't say, as you know, that all Republicans are bigots. You implied that only Democrats were. As a party, in the state legislatures who passed the laws they are not noted for opposing Jim Crow legislation when it was passed originally. I do know they had much to do with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

469 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:04:07pm

re: #449 PSGInfinity

No problem. If you're up, could you get me a beer?
/ducks

Sure, do you want that "Obama beer" they drink in Kenya?

470 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:04:20pm

re: #464 3 wood

Unfortunately, if the people think the blame is shared, and have a low opinion of Republicans in the first place, then it's going to have a negative effect on McCain. The longer this economic crisis goes on, the more pessimistic I get about the election.

471 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:05:00pm

re: #426 NY Nana

"Now it is 9/11, with prayers that no calamity will ever befall the USA that will be the date we remember..."

It is the same with us. We will never forget.

We're almost out to door to the 'war council' meeting. LOL Hope the Sage of the Desert is there.

472 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:05:13pm

I've read that Franklin Raines now lives in a $7.6 million house.
Why does anyone need a house that costs that much?

473 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:06pm

re: #436 Tigger2005

So, does anyone think that Sunday is the last day we have to enjoy a relatively prosperous America for the foreseeable future?

For about 5 years, yes.

474 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:10pm

re: #472 jaunte

I've read that Franklin Raines now lives in a $7.6 million house.
Why does anyone need a house that costs that much?

He needs lots of storage space to store all that blood money he squeezed out of the taxpayers

475 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:30pm

re: #465 jwb7605

I just got an e-mail from my son (USMC)
He's floating on the USS Denver. (Check the logo out!)

His first message:

heh.

I just got a letter from my oldest boy in bootcamp also. That ship your son is floating around in is over 40 years old!

476 LieSeeker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:06:47pm

Ever consider debugging on a test copy, instead of live code?

477 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:07:00pm

re: #472 jaunte

I've read that Franklin Raines now lives in a $7.6 million house.
Why does anyone need a house that costs that much?

He's helped bring down the US economy. He oughtta have something to show for it..

478 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:07:07pm

re: #466 Geepers

ciaospirit (#454),

I've got some of those.

Send one. I'll have a cybersmoke.

479 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:07:26pm

MadTV's second skit of the show made of of McCain's age and ability not to be able to use a computer. I think it was Bobbie Lee.

480 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:07:54pm

re: #474 Shug

I could get him a deal on a slightly used oil storage tank.

481 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:08:03pm

re: #463 joncelli

It's part of the reason why teacher's unions and the Democrats hate home schooling so profoundly -- they can't control the content and thus can't control the narrative.

Agreed. The greatest threat to them is an educated population - hence the erasure of meaningful history teaching, as an example. Teaching history can lead to embarrasing questions like 'doesn't Obama's/Biden's redistribution of income plan sound like Marxism'. Much easier if people think Marx was a funny comedian who smoked a cigar...

482 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:08:43pm

In the unlikely event anyone was worried about those unscientific snap web polls the news sites conducted last night after the debate.

80% of the voters were foreigners! (I hope that isn't repeated in November. What the heck is wrong with voter ID laws?)

483 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:08:44pm

re: #477 cliffster

I think it's worth talking up the bribes those people gave themselves.

484 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:08:52pm

re: #473 3 wood

worse yet:

financial meltdown + President Barak Obama + Democratic controlled congress.

it could happen.

485 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:09:14pm

re: #472 jaunte

I've read that Franklin Raines now lives in a $7.6 million house.
Why does anyone need a house that costs that much?

Hey, crocodile-infested moats to protect you from the wrath of the taxpayer don't come cheap, you know...

486 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:09:18pm

re: #465 jwb7605

re: #475 Maximu§

Thanks to both of you for you and your sons' sacrifices, jumping into harm's way for the rest of us. You probably get tired of hearing it, but I'll say it anyways.

487 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:09:36pm

re: #432 3 wood

The fastest way to improve the situation is to change the "mark to market" rule to a net present value rule. That would free up hundreds of billions of bank assets.

But what would be the criteria for "net present value?" If it's contingent on future value, isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place? (i.e. Real estate only goes up and up and up. Pull the equity out of your house and consume.)

488 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:09:48pm
489 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:09:50pm

Another anti-"American war in Iraq" bumper sticker.

More "unclear on the concept"

Freedom isn't free: but you can't buy it with blood.

You can't? Wow, I must have misunderstood the whole Magna Carta, Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, etc. thing.

490 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:09:51pm

re: #485 Palandine

We the People have siege engines...

491 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:01pm

re: #476 LieSeeker

Ever consider debugging on a test copy, instead of live code?

Now where is the fun in that?

492 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:09pm

re: #475 Maximu§

I just got a letter from my oldest boy in bootcamp also. That ship your son is floating around in is over 40 years old!

AND it's been in a "boating accident".
The one I was on (Hancock) had a bent shaft from a Kamikaze in the battle of Leyte gulf.

493 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:22pm

re: #484 switter

worse yet:

financial meltdown + President Barak Obama + Democratic controlled congress = 1984

it could happen.

*shudder*

494 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:22pm

LieSeeker (#476),

Ever consider debugging on a test copy, instead of live code?

Um, dude, we're talking Charles here.

Little Green Footballs traces it's misty origins back to when he and his brother were writing search routines for Ataris.

495 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:30pm

re: #445 Outrider

Frankly, I don't think the average American will see an immediate impact tomorrow. If the administration gets their collective heads out of their fourth points of contact, we will probably see minimal impact in the long term.
Or perhaps I am just an optimist? ;-)>

I know of small businesses that could not make payroll yesterday cause their credit line was canceled by their bank.

I know of mortgage brokers who were told not to come to work cause their is no financing for the business.

I know of money market funds that have suspended redemptions cause they just don't have the cash.

It's starting to hit Main Street pretty damn quick.

496 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:38pm

re: #484 switter

worse yet:

financial meltdown + President Barak Obama + Democratic controlled congress.

it could happen.

And two liberal SC justices waiting to retire.

497 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:41pm

re: #482 arethusa

In the unlikely event anyone was worried about those unscientific snap web polls the news sites conducted last night after the debate.

80% of the voters were foreigners! (I hope that isn't repeated in November. What the heck is wrong with voter ID laws?)

I just found that and came over here to post it, but see you already have.
Can you believe the MSNBC poll had that many foreign voters?

498 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:10:51pm

re: #438 taxfreekiller

So, say the bad loans stay bad, some of the big losers "Teacher Pension Funds", "Union Pension Funds" , you know the rank and file vote in aleph. order Democrats.

So, these rank and file Union members, also , rank and file Democratic base votes, they figure out , in fact the bull shit Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and the commie liberal Democrats in congress, MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE, and then they see Jim Johnson, Gorlick, Mudd, Franklin Rains drowning in the millions of "fake and fraud earnings bonuses" , well it just may be if that happened the people going to Washington D.C. would not just be we conservatives , just could be an inter-mural death struggle within the Democrat Cult.

Change we can believe in! Thanks TFK

499 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:11:06pm

re: #482 arethusa

In the unlikely event anyone was worried about those unscientific snap web polls the news sites conducted last night after the debate.

80% of the voters were foreigners! (I hope that isn't repeated in November. What the heck is wrong with voter ID laws?)

They show the Democrats what Americans really think of them. Can't have that now, can we?

/

500 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:12:24pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout

I just found that and came over here to post it, but see you already have.
Can you believe the MSNBC poll had that many foreign voters?

MSM...Marxist Support Machine.

501 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:12:26pm

re: #490 jaunte

We the People have siege engines...

Fechez la vache!

/Monty Python and the Holy Grail

502 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:12:33pm

re: #471 Pvt Bin Jammin


It is the same with us. We will never forget.

We're almost out to door to the 'war council' meeting. LOL Hope the Sage of the Desert is there.

Strange that after nearly 44 years, the memories are still so vivid.

Enjoy! Please give Sage the usual motherly hug from me.

503 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:02pm

re: #484 switter

worse yet:

financial meltdown + President Barak Obama + Democratic controlled congress.

it could happen.

I don't know if the country could recover from that.

I wish Hillary were running as the Dem candidate; at least she wouldn't want to wreck the country.
But that's because she wants power; wrecked country, less power.

504 arethusa  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:19pm

re: #497 reine.de.tout


Can you believe the MSNBC poll had that many foreign voters?


Personally, I'm inclined to vote against anyone the Germans and the French are for.

505 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:28pm

re: #486 cliffster

re: #475 Maximu§

Thanks to both of you for you and your sons' sacrifices, jumping into harm's way for the rest of us. You probably get tired of hearing it, but I'll say it anyways.


Naw, I never tire of hearing it, cause I feel the same way, but I'll be a nervous wreck when he deploys overseas...we're going to visit him at Fort Knox for visitors day on October 23rd.

506 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:42pm

re: #447 Geepers

Can we put you in charge?

I'd be happy to, I think I could avert a melt down and in fact have the market up 500 points within a week. But it's not going to happen.

We also need to reinstate the "uptick rule" on short sales to keep those from being abused. The SEC could do that tonight too, but again Cox is too freaking stupid to get that through his head, either.

My God, Cox is dumb.

507 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:43pm

re: #492 jwb7605

Yow. She's been banged around quite a bit.

508 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:13:58pm

ciaospirit (#478),

Send one. I'll have a cybersmoke.

Can do.

509 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:14:47pm

re: #489 Silhouette

Another anti-"American war in Iraq" bumper sticker.

More "unclear on the concept"

Freedom isn't free: but you can't buy it with blood.

You can't? Wow, I must have misunderstood the whole Magna Carta, Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, etc. thing.

I keep trying to think of something witty to say, but what can top the sheer stupidity of this bumpersticker?

510 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:16:00pm

re: #509 David IV of Georgia

I keep trying to think of something witty to say, but what can top the sheer stupidity of this bumpersticker?

It's worse than "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
which does have some validity.

511 Geepers  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:16:37pm

3 wood (#506),

Dense or incapable of action?

512 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:17:03pm

In case you have not seen this video yet - it completely destroys Democrats and Obama in the mortgage mess.

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

513 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:17:51pm

I've had a double-plus good day, later all.

514 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:15pm

re: #194 switter

I has a bucket (snip)

We can fix that...

515 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:18:53pm

re: #456 Tigger2005

3 wood, other people have to know this. Why can't the word be gotten through to anyone with the power to do something about it?

This is one reason why I have been hollering about this here and at other blogs for days. I've been sending emails. doing everything I can to get this out.

We have some really, really dumb people in charge at the SEC. Bernanke means well but he's never traded or managed a portfolio. He's never had to make a multi-million dollar decision in 15 seconds while the market is moving. Those of us who have, me included, understand what is at stake and what impacts the situation.

The month end/quarter end accounting period is why this has to be fixed now.

We can't wait several weeks or a month for some insurance program to get figured out.

516 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:19:40pm

re: #469 arethusa

Sure, do you want that "Obama beer" they drink in Kenya?

Sure, I'm gamey. Or something like that..

517 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:19:46pm
518 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:19:48pm

re: #509 David IV of Georgia

I keep trying to think of something witty to say, but what can top the sheer stupidity of this bumpersticker?

Oh yeah, look at the yardsign their selling...

welcome immigrants

519 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:20:19pm

re: #514 PSGInfinity
that still cracks me up every time I see it.

520 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:20:24pm

re: #459 Maximu§

How much time do we have before our Overlords in China start tightening the screws on us?

It's starting already. Chinese banks have been told not to loan to US banks.

It's started.

521 Jimmah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:20:26pm

re: #509 David IV of Georgia

I keep trying to think of something witty to say, but what can top the sheer stupidity of this bumpersticker?

Whoever it was who said (approximately): 'Freedom IS free. If it wasn't, it'd be called 'expensivedom'."

522 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:20:39pm

re: #1 victor_yugo

Speaking of recipes, anyone got a good one for troll buttocks?

Garlic.

Lots of Garlic.

A 1:1 ratio is almost enough garlic.

Throw it into a crock-pot and let it cook for about ten hours.

523 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:21:27pm

re: #486 cliffster

re: #475 Maximu§

Thanks to both of you for you and your sons' sacrifices, jumping into harm's way for the rest of us. You probably get tired of hearing it, but I'll say it anyways.


Thanks for that ... I'll pass it on.
For what it's worth, the USMC straightened his life out and gave him purpose and pride in himself.
He likes what he's doing (7.5 years, he plans on 20+), and he doesn't think it of a sacrifice. He considers it "the first job he's had that he really likes".
Buck private to Staff Sergeant in 7 years in the USMC ... I think he's got his ya-ya's together.

524 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:23:36pm

re: #220 Naso Tang

I think Charles is making use of this slow venture capital time to be prepared to hit the market running with the sleekest blog system around, whenever we see high finance come back to life.

//

A lizard acting like a capitalist?
COOOL!

525 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:23:39pm

re: #515 3 wood

Interesting note: I pulled $2850 out of a bank on Thursday, then had to pull $1300 out on Friday. Usually i get it all in $100 bills. They had none, so all I got were $50 bills. At first I didn't think anything about it, but the more I think about it, I wonder what it could mean. Same bank chain, two different branches in far apart cities.

526 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:25:08pm

Got an email from David Plouffter, wise guy for the Only One, and The One is spinning the debate last night as a signal victory for O Bama...

And to 'prove' it, they're quoting CNN polls:

The CNN poll results are also clear:

Who did the best job tonight?
Barack: 51
McCain: 38

Who would better handle Iraq?
Barack: 52
McCain: 47

Who would better handle the economy?
Barack: 58
McCain: 37

So if 60% of CNN's voters were INELIGIBLE to vote in America's elections, these 'proofs' seriously distort the approval for The O...

Oh boy, oh boy...

527 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:25:55pm

re: #470 joncelli

Unfortunately, if the people think the blame is shared, and have a low opinion of Republicans in the first place, then it's going to have a negative effect on McCain. The longer this economic crisis goes on, the more pessimistic I get about the election.

This may be an unpopular opinion here, I'm an economist and not a politican but at this moment I don't give a good damn about the election one way or another. I am watching my government screw around while the financial system is melting down, and they are arguing over who gets to score the most political points.

How many more banks have got to fold before we take this seriously? This is not some minor market correction here folks.

We are talking about whether your 401k is worth anything and whether your employer can make payroll a week from now.

I've seen people actually rooting for this melt down to occur. I find that astounding.

528 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:10pm

re: #519 switter

that still cracks me up every time I see it.

(Spews beer)
:D
Did you just change your avatar?


(Reaches for the towel)

529 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:19pm

re: #525 spirochete

Interesting note: I pulled $2850 out of a bank on Thursday, then had to pull $1300 out on Friday. Usually i get it all in $100 bills. They had none, so all I got were $50 bills. At first I didn't think anything about it, but the more I think about it, I wonder what it could mean.

That they were out of $100 bills. ;->

Seriously though, next time give them a couple of days advance warning, and they'll have enough hundred dollar bills for you.

530 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:26:54pm

re: #521 Jimmah

Whoever it was who said (approximately): 'Freedom IS free. If it wasn't, it'd be called 'expensivedom'."

That would be Cindy Sheehan.

She's a genius.

531 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:10pm

re: #525 spirochete

Was it BofA?

532 Outrider  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:34pm

re: #489 Silhouette

Another anti-"American war in Iraq" bumper sticker.

More "unclear on the concept"

Freedom isn't free: but you can't buy it with blood.

You can't? Wow, I must have misunderstood the whole Magna Carta, Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWII, etc. thing.

What in the hell do they think it was bought with? According to the web site:

It's true: Freedom isn't free, but you can't buy it with blood. Freedom is won through the actions of citizens who stand up to war mongering demagogues like George W. Bush!

These people actually breed and create more silly-assed thinking beings.

533 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:43pm

re: #525 spirochete

ok, your freaking me out now. i gotta buy a grand worth of propane in the next month cause winters coming and the money for it is sitting in my savings account right now.

534 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:27:47pm

re: #484 switter

worse yet:

financial meltdown + President Barak Obama + Democratic controlled congress.

it could happen.

I put that at very likely.

535 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:17pm

re: #532 Outrider

These people actually breed and create more silly-assed thinking beings.

Fixed it.

536 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:27pm

re: #530 Silhouette

That would be Cindy Sheehan.

She's a genius.

Indeed.

537 Karridine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:36pm

re: #530 Silhouette

Expensive Dumb...

Is that the Crash Relief Bill about to be foisted on America by the Dems?

538 MikeySDCA  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:36pm

Re: Bailout mess

People who like laws, like people who like sausages, should not watch them being made.

Otto von Bismarck

539 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:28:56pm

re: #235 mama winger

Anybody here remember the Eisenhower Administration? [O]r am I dating myself?

With or without using a history book?
/Ducks

540 Outrider  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:29:27pm

re: #495 3 wood

I know of small businesses that could not make payroll yesterday cause their credit line was canceled by their bank.

I know of mortgage brokers who were told not to come to work cause their is no financing for the business.

I know of money market funds that have suspended redemptions cause they just don't have the cash.

It's starting to hit Main Street pretty damn quick.

ok. Your neck of the woods perhaps. Business as normal here.

541 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:29:59pm

re: #532 Outrider

These people actually breed f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k...and f**k until it hurts and then f**k some more and create more silly-assed thinking beings.

There, fixed that for ya!

542 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:01pm

re: #527 3 wood

"Some people just want to watch the world (the US) burn".

/Comment directed at those who wish for the US's financial system to breakdown just for partisan revenge or retribution.

543 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:12pm

re: #520 3 wood

It's starting already. Chinese banks have been told not to loan to US banks.

It's started.

How Nice...we built-up China and helped them get where their at and this is how they treat us when we're down? Friends like these we don't need.

Even the German finance minister made a crappy comment last week while barely hiding a smirk...America has carried the weight of the world on our backs for over 1/2 a century while Germany and other "friends" have stood on the sidelines.


I

544 Jimmah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:17pm

re: #530 Silhouette

That would be Cindy Sheehan.

She's a genius.

Ah. Thanks - I wasn't sure if it was her or that other genius Rosie O'Donnell.

545 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:19pm

re: #487 David Simon

But what would be the criteria for "net present value?" If it's contingent on future value, isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place? (i.e. Real estate only goes up and up and up. Pull the equity out of your house and consume.)

No, it's contingent on the cash flows of the deal discounted at some rate, like the yield curve rate for that period.

It's finance 101.

This is a case of bean counters gone wild and overcomplicating a very simple thing.

546 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:30:34pm

re: #525 spirochete

Interesting note: I pulled $2850 out of a bank on Thursday, then had to pull $1300 out on Friday. Usually i get it all in $100 bills. They had none, so all I got were $50 bills. At first I didn't think anything about it, but the more I think about it, I wonder what it could mean. Same bank chain, two different branches in far apart cities.

I had a similar experience today, they gave me all 20s.

547 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:31:52pm

re: #529 David Simon

Gotta love logic! Yea, that was my first thought, of course. I think now I'm just tired and second guessing. To answer someone else, no, it was not BofA. I did not intend to frighten anyone, I just wondered if someone here had deeper insight into how the physical dollars get trafficked around than I do.

548 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:31:57pm
549 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:47pm

re: #532 Outrider

The rantings of the "enlightened". Surely you can see that writing smack about President George W. Bush (or Republicans in general) anonymously on a blog is the same as fighting the 2nd World War or the War on Terror, right?

/Cindy told me so.

550 The Shadow Do  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:52pm

re: #515 3 wood

This is one reason why I have been hollering about this here and at other blogs for days. I've been sending emails. doing everything I can to get this out.

We have some really, really dumb people in charge at the SEC. Bernanke means well but he's never traded or managed a portfolio. He's never had to make a multi-million dollar decision in 15 seconds while the market is moving. Those of us who have, me included, understand what is at stake and what impacts the situation.

The month end/quarter end accounting period is why this has to be fixed now.

We can't wait several weeks or a month for some insurance program to get figured out.

McCain has called for Cox's head. Pointless obviously since he has no authority to effect it. I suppose when we are all in the dumper he will have something to point to while President Obama is giving um, er, ah, inspirational speeches and promoting New Deal II policies.

551 Jimmah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:58pm

re: #532 Outrider


What in the hell do they think it was bought with?

It was bought with...er...'spreading peace'...through...er...inspiring car bumper stickers and stuff...

552 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:32:59pm

re: #509 David IV of Georgia

I think you have to pay for it with a loan from Washington Mutual

553 MikeySDCA  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:00pm

re: #546 SpartanWoman

Begging your pardon, that's just a matter of how much paper they had printed and distributed, Not a measure of the soundness of the banking system.

554 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:03pm

re: #488 taxfreekiller

What is going on is grab ass to CYA of the ones who enabled it all
that is why the got to do it before Monday morning shit is going on,

its a f'n con, fast huckster shit, thats all

While I disagree to some level with tfk's take on this, his spirit and strength is why I want him or someone like him running the SEC.

Nobody would be giving out loans with no documentation if taxfree was in charge.

555 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:20pm

re: #542 mitthrawnurdo

Like my moonbat stepson. I think he thinks that he'll be able to loll on the couch more if we have socialism. (Nice kid, just annoying about politics.)

556 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:25pm
It's true: Freedom isn't free, but you can't buy it with blood. Freedom is won through the actions of citizens who stand up to war mongering demagogues like George W. Bush!


Yeah. Speaking truth to power, paper mache puppets and the giant duck of peace is what's kept us free. This passes for intelligence nowadays? If I saw that on the bumper of the car in front of me, I'd probably have sudden brake failure.

557 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:41pm

Unintentionally hilarious bumper sticker

Regime change in 2008.

Uh, I think you're going to win that one, dudes.

They're like the "Stop the Draft" club that was discussed here one day. "Okay, let's call this meeting to order. First on the agenda: how to stop the Draft. What? There isn't a draft? Okay then. Meeting adjourned."

558 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:33:42pm
559 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:30pm

re: #534 3 wood

damn. just damn.

560 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:41pm
561 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:34:52pm
562 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:35:06pm

re: #532 Outrider

These people actually breed and create more silly-assed thinking beings.

I think it's instructive that the only time they can summon up martial passion is when it comes to attacking conservatives. To them we're the enemy. What a twisted world-view...I worry when they get to be 51% of us...scary thought.

563 Alouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:35:31pm

re: #532 Outrider

These people actually breed and create more silly-assed thinking beings.

They don't breed much, because a baby is a "punishment."

564 cliffster  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:35:40pm

re: #558 taxfreekiller

Racer x
re: #512
have you posted that here on lgf prior?

I've seen it here before. That's fine - post it again and again. I'm sending it to whoever I can think of, even my liberal friends when it might cause tension. Just too clearly laid out to leave it alone.

565 Dianna  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:02pm

If cattt is around, she needs to know that moroccan salted lemons stuffed into smoked chickens produce the most remarkable flavor!

It's truly amazing.

I'll be happy to share the whole concept with her, anytime she asks!

566 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:16pm

re: #558 taxfreekiller

Racer x
re: #512
have you posted that here on lgf prior?

I think someone posted it last night - there have been quite a few lately but that one is really good.

567 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:52pm
568 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:53pm

re: #511 Geepers

Dense or incapable of action?

Boneheaded, mouth breathing, box of rocks dumb.

This is junior year finance level stuff.

569 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:36:55pm

re: #558 taxfreekiller

Racer x
re: #512
have you posted that here on lgf prior?

Others have posted it, tfk. Syrah linked it last night when I watched it and I believe Syrah got it from rawmuse. I agree- it needs to go viral.

570 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:01pm

I was thinking I should mattress my money or buy gold

571 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:17pm

re: #557 Silhouette

Look at the anti-McCain crap...my Lord!

/As much as I despise Obama's planned policies, I would never come up with that kind of garbage against him.

572 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:45pm

re: #261 Shug

I remember riding in the car with my mother and hearing the word " [W]atergate" on the radio. [J]ust so happened it had rained that day, and some of the roads had standing water.
[S]o I assumed the [W]atergate must have had something to do with all that water. I was like 4 or 5 years old

My earliest political memory was asking my dad what "Watergate" was, and distinctly remember not understanding the answer. Funny thing is, in some sense I still don't understand it...

573 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:37:58pm

God, I'm dieing for an ice cold glass of milk and some Chip's Ahoy's.

574 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:10pm

MadTV skit tonight is Trashing Palin. They have her giving generic answers to hard questions in a perky voice and making her out to be a religious nut and making fun of her kid's names.

575 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:19pm

re: #566 Racer X

I think someone posted it last night - there have been quite a few lately but that one is really good.

A link to it was posted on Drudge for a couple of days. That pretty much guarantees that it had very broad coverage.

576 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:19pm

re: #560 Racer X

Sweet. Better than lots of hundreds.

577 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:24pm

I tried to post the you tube video on ABC but it denied my comment

578 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:38:39pm

If you guys haven't watched this video- you absolutely MUST.

What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

579 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:00pm

re: #575 Syrah

A link to it was posted on Drudge for a couple of days. That pretty much guarantees that it had very broad coverage.

442,014 views.

580 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:18pm

re: #525 spirochete

Interesting note: I pulled $2850 out of a bank on Thursday, then had to pull $1300 out on Friday. Usually i get it all in $100 bills. They had none, so all I got were $50 bills. At first I didn't think anything about it, but the more I think about it, I wonder what it could mean. Same bank chain, two different branches in far apart cities.

They are running out of cash.

581 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:27pm

re: #570 SpartanWoman

Can't you do both? That is, buy gold and stuff it under your mattress?

/Or my mattress, if you don't have the room.

582 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #574 Egfrow

MadTV skit tonight is Trashing Palin. They have her giving generic answers to hard questions in a perky voice and making her out to be a religious nut and making fun of her kid's names.

I still Love MadTV, their such Moron's. They make fun of everybody.

583 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #578 Sharmuta

If you guys haven't watched this video- you absolutely MUST.

What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

Not sure I understand all of how YouTube counters work, but:


Views: 442,014

584 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:10pm

re: #578 Sharmuta

If you guys haven't watched this video- you absolutely MUST.

What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

Truly devastating. So much for Pelousy's "dems ain't responsible" canard

585 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:14pm

re: #572 PSGInfinity

My earliest was asking my father how Palestinian gorillas wound up in a building in Germany.

586 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:16pm

re: #580 3 wood

Wonderful...

/What to do, what to do?

587 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:29pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

442,014 views.

GMTA?

588 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:36pm

re: #573 Maximu§

I could forward you some of my wife's ginger cookies...well, if you could send such a thing electronically.

589 Silhouette  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:42pm

re: #571 mitthrawnurdo

I'm impressed with this great logic:
War cannot be won. It can only be survived.

590 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:40:54pm

re: #583 Syrah

I would watch it again, but I had to stop to hear the full Dire Straits song.

591 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:04pm

re: #587 Syrah

GMTA?

Yes- yes they do.

592 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:11pm

re: #580 3 wood

They are running out of cash.

Thats scary.

593 mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:20pm

How long till we have a modern version of Smoot-Hawley to "fix" the economy?

594 David Simon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:22pm

re: #545 3 wood

No, it's contingent on the cash flows of the deal discounted at some rate, like the yield curve rate for that period.

I'm still confused. The cash flow of the deal would be contingent on the ability of borrowers to repay their loans, wouldn't it? As opposed to the mark to market rule which is, theoretically anyway, the price at which a willing buyer and seller agree a loan is worth at that moment.

I need to so some more reading...

595 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:41:57pm

re: #590 Sharmuta

I would watch it again, but I had to stop to hear the full Dire Straits song.

Good music.

The concept for the video is very good.

596 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:42:00pm

re: #582 Maximu§

I still Love MadTV, their such Moron's. They make fun of everybody.

Not so sure about that funny thing anymore. Bobby Lee is in most of the skits now and they all seem to suck ass.

597 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:42:12pm

re: #593 mich-again

How long till we have a modern version of Smoot-Hawley to "fix" the economy?

I could have sworn the dems are pushing against free trade!

598 Optimizer  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:42:48pm

Global Variables? Ugh!
Don't even tell me such things!

Next, you'll be saying there's "go to" statements, or something. I'm plugging my ears...

599 tommygum  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:42:53pm

Just poppin' in. Tina Fey as Sarah Palin again. Gotta admit, it is funny. Let's see if they give The One the same treatment.

600 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:13pm

re: #584 SpartanWoman

and McCain needs to start pounding this every day. It should be the only thing he talks about. republicans need to sing in one course and shout it from the rooftops. but I am not holding my breath...

601 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:30pm

re: #297 Josephine

I read the heading as, "Stinky's Refactoring Bilge".
LOL, no offense, Monsieur Beaumont.

"Stinky's Refactoring [the] Bilge" isn't that far off...

602 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:43:35pm

re: #599 tommygum

Just poppin' in. Tina Fey as Sarah Palin again. Gotta admit, it is funny. Let's see if they give The One the same treatment.

The left never mocks their gods.

603 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:44:16pm

re: #589 Silhouette

Yes! I've seen the light now! "War cannot be won. It can only be survived".

Thus, the Allies didn't win WWII, they merely survived it!

/Platitude and sophistry brought to you wholesale from America's liberal public education system.

604 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:44:33pm

re: #596 Egfrow

Not so sure about that funny thing anymore. Bobby Lee is in most of the skits now and they all seem to suck ass.

I stand corrected, it Used to be a funny show, it was at its best from 2004-2006. Remember the Persian Tow Truck Driver?

605 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:44:37pm

re: #584 SpartanWoman

Truly devastating. So much for Pelousy's "dems ain't responsible" canard

I thought is was VERY odd that when the crisis first broke, that same day Pelosi blurted out "you can't blame this on Democrats". No concern for American taxpayers, or those who may lose their retirement savings. She was worried about who gets blamed.

Now we know why.

606 tommygum  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:15pm

And Ms. Swan.

607 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:16pm

re: #565 Dianna

If cattt is around, she needs to know that moroccan salted lemons stuffed into smoked chickens produce the most remarkable flavor!

It's truly amazing.

I'll be happy to share the whole concept with her, anytime she asks!

Food? Food? We're talking food?
Anything good for this?

608 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:48pm

Switched to SNZLre: #604 Maximu§

I stand corrected, it Used to be a funny show, it was at its best from 2004-2006. Remember the Persian Tow Truck Driver?

Yeah, I used to love it also. I have been trying to catch it every now and than in hopes that it will actually be funny, So far, No luck.

609 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:45:49pm

re: #599 tommygum

Just poppin' in. Tina Fey as Sarah Palin again. Gotta admit, it is funny. Let's see if they give The One the same treatment.

I am so glad Tina Fey will have work for the next 8-16 years.

610 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:22pm

re: #585 spirochete

My earliest was asking my father how Palestinian gorillas wound up in a building in Germany.

'You know kid, that's a really good question. Answer it and you'll understand much of what's wrong with the world.'
/Channeling an ElderLizard

611 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:32pm

re: #578 Sharmuta

If you guys haven't watched this video- you absolutely MUST.

What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

Screw that.

THESE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA' STOP YOUR SPEECH.

612 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:42pm

re: #513 David IV of Georgia

I've had a double-plus good day, later all.

Please Speak English, not this newspeak shit.

613 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:46:45pm

How does anyone find Bobby Lee of MadTV even remotely humorous?

614 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:47:31pm

SNL is mockin the Debates from Last night,

615 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:47:52pm

SNL is doing a debate skit right now.

616 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:06pm

Let me guess. McCain will made to be made to look like an ass.

617 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:07pm

re: #593 mich-again

That's what we'll get if Obama is elected.

618 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:22pm

re: #589 Silhouette

I found something worse... an Ed Rendell for President bumper sticker (look at the bottom of the page, if you dare!).

/My State's governor, unfortunately *sighs*.

619 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:48pm

re: #616 Egfrow

Let me guess. McCain will made to be made to look like an ass.

I was right.

620 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:48:49pm

re: #613 Egfrow

I thought he passed away in 1870.

621 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:06pm

re: #613 Egfrow

How does anyone find Bobby Lee of MadTV even remotely humorous?

I vote with my remote.
I don't watch that drivel.

watching "Huckabee"

Really never liked the Huckster, but his first show is very entertaining

622 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:09pm

re: #611 MandyManners

He going to go after the Governor too?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

623 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:32pm

re: #300 Spider Mensch

yup. people save their whole lives to get 2 weeks were you live...and you don't even use the beach..now thats irony.

People spend a week racing around to see museums just a few Metro stops from where I live, and I only go when relatives are in town...

624 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:49:52pm

I think that if all the Lizards turned off SNL their ratings would go down by over half.

625 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:17pm

re: #610 PSGInfinity

I agree, but I thought they were gorillas, not guerrillas.

626 Egfrow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:17pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

I think that if all the Lizards turned off SNL their ratings would go down by over half.

True that!

627 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:28pm

re: #611 MandyManners

"Free speech" is only for the Messiah's followers, infidel.

/Or only for the Party faithful, if you prefer.

//Free speech is free, otherwise it would be called Expensive Speech (channeling Cindy, again).

628 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:30pm

re: #509 David IV of Georgia

I keep trying to think of something witty to say, but what can top the sheer stupidity of this bumpersticker?

Okay, since no one's posted the great song parody from Team America: World Police, here goes:

What would you do
If you were asked to give up
Your dreams for freedom?

What would you do
If asked to make
The ultimate sacrifice?

Would you think about
All them people
Who gave up everything they had?

Would you think about
All them war vets
And would you start to feel bad?

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill

Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fucking fee
And if you don't throw in
Your buck o five, who will?

Buck o five
Freedom costs a buck o five

:)

629 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:48pm

re: #561 taxfreekiller

report back

I've seen it and I don;t disagree with the general points of how all this got started. I've been saying much the same thing here for weeks if not months.

But that is all about how we got to this state.

I'm talking about how we survive this. Two different things. I have no problems with all kinds of changes to the system.

But we have got to stop the bleeding now. Not next week. Trillions of dollars of capital will evaporate, It will take 5 to 10 years to recover from that.

If the Asian markets open and there is no agreed to plan, I think the melt down happens.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don;t think I will be.

The Democrats and Republicans have got to stop the games, the positioning, the finger pointing and come together with a real solution.

If they don't do it now, all the rest of this stuff won't matter much.

630 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:49pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

I think that if all the Lizards turned off SNL their ratings would go down by over half.


do we have to turn it on , then turn it off or can we just leave it off?

631 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:50:59pm

re: #560 Racer X

A Hundred Miles

632 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:03pm
633 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:30pm

re: #626 Egfrow

I mean really- are we surprised snl would do this?

634 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:35pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Screw that.

THESE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA' STOP YOUR SPEECH.

Of course these legal beagles are interested in preventing Obama's misleading ads?

635 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:53pm

re: #609 Racer X

I am so glad Tina Fey will have work for the next 8-16 years.

Oh yeah! Sarah for President! God, the lefties would kill themselves en masse.

636 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:51:54pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Screw that.

THESE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA' STOP YOUR SPEECH.

Portents of things to come.

637 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:52:48pm

SNL viewers should be made to watch this instead. Then maybe they wouldn't find snl so damn funny.

638 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:17pm

re: #518 Maximu§

Oh yeah, look at the yardsign their selling...

welcome immigrants

Next to it should be a sign that reads "Illegal Immigrants are CHEATERS! To the back of the line with them."

639 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:18pm

re: #623 PSGInfinity

When I was in Bethesda for work, I was astonished at how many homeless people there are in the DC area. We've got a lot in St. Louis, but there's no comparison.

Even in Bethesda there were homeless people.

640 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:53:40pm
641 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:18pm
re: #513 David IV of Georgia

I've had a double-plus good day, later all.


re: #612 Macker

Please Speak English, not this newspeak shit.


It means he had a good++ day.

I just watched "my college team" (Nebraska) get beat 35-30, which ain't as bad as the spanking Colorado (where I live) got today.

So I flipped over to FOX and watched the last 20 minutes of Huckabee's new show. I was expecting garbage, but I was pleasantly surprised. He had some financial guru's on taking audience questions about money and investment issues. Decent questions, decent answers, and multiple choice opinions.

Worth watching ... I'll catch the whole thing next week, to see if this wasn't a fluke.

642 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:32pm

Damnit. Now I need to hear some AC/DC.

643 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:48pm

re: #635 legalpad

Nah, the Left is notorious for not keeping promises in what they vow to do if an election doesn't go their way. If they were true to their word of leaving the country if President Bush was re-elected, Penn State's college population should have dropped by 50% overnight the week after the '04 election (based on the rhetorical "I'm going to Canada" crap I heard non-stop that Fall).

So they'll just complain and moan again for another 4 years.

644 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:54:54pm

re: #625 spirochete

I agree, but I thought they were gorillas, not guerrillas.

Part of answering the question is defining the problem...
;)

645 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:55:45pm

re: #586 mitthrawnurdo

Hope that the politicians actually show some leadership and cobble together a plan to support the banking system.

If very many more banks go under, it will be too late anyway. There is a huge cost to this screwing around. They have already cost us hundreds of billions with this dithering the last week or so.

We could have had this fixed already, in the rear view mirror, and the market up 200 to 300 points.

But no. Some people on both sides have got to play games.

Talk about your bonfire of the vanities.

646 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:55:53pm

re: #526 Karridine

Got an email from David Plouffter, wise guy for the Only One, and The One is spinning the debate last night as a signal victory for O Bama...

And to 'prove' it, they're quoting CNN polls:

So if 60% of CNN's voters were INELIGIBLE to vote in America's elections, these 'proofs' seriously distort the approval for The O...

Oh boy, oh boy...

Those look to be ridiculous.

Opinion Polls: Getting the results you want:

647 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:56:05pm

re: #642 Sharmuta

how about you want blood, you got it!

648 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:57:05pm

re: #641 jwb7605

Virginia Tech won! Uh, not to gloat or anything.

649 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:57:19pm

re: #639 Palandine

When I was in Bethesda for work, I was astonished at how many homeless people there are in the DC area. We've got a lot in St. Louis, but there's no comparison. Even in Bethesda there were homeless people.

They're still here. Wish I could tell you why...

650 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:57:58pm

re: #611 MandyManners

I wonder if the Obama Truth Squads would think this statement was untrue:
"Lazy people who want the government to give them free stuff are more likely to vote for Obama than for McCain."

651 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:00pm

re: #642 Sharmuta

Damnit. Now I need to hear some AC/DC.

Highway To Hell

652 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:30pm
653 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #594 David Simon

The cash flow of the deal would be contingent on the ability of borrowers to repay their loans, wouldn't it? As opposed to the mark to market rule which is, theoretically anyway, the price at which a willing buyer and seller agree a loan is worth at that moment.

I need to so some more reading...

Which is why we need to buy of the loans so we can take the time to work through each and every one and renegotiate to whatever works. The last thing you want to do is foreclose and have to take on an empty house. That is why some insurance policy plan will not work. We don't have time for that anymore.

But once you do that, calculating the net present value is a matter of plugging two numbers into a calculator.

654 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:58:58pm

re: #622 Sharmuta

He going to go after the Governor too?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oh, goodness!

(I've been out-of-pocket today.)

655 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:04pm

re: #649 PSGInfinity

Because it's a liberal area soaked in guilt, and guilt gets handouts flowing.

656 stevieray  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:05pm

re: #568 3 wood

Boneheaded, mouth breathing, box of rocks dumb.

This is junior year finance level stuff.

Its ideological blindness.

The doctrinaire conservatives are too rigid, they seem to think we live in a pure capitalist marketplace.

The leftist democrats are simply incapable of seeing that their social engineering created this problem and cannot continue [say goodbye to the CRA], and they refuse to pass a bill without more goodies for their pets.

Pass the buy-up bill, remove the must-lend-to-the-poor requirements from the CRA, and change the mark to market requirement. The rest can wait.

IMHO... [not an economist.]

657 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:13pm
658 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:43pm

Sarah,

Do you want to get inside Biden's head? I mean really put him in a tailspin right before the debate goes live?

Start humming this tune 1 minute before the debate starts:

The Villages, Americas friendliest home town
The Villages!

I am so mean!

LOL!

659 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:00:23pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Screw that.

THESE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA' STOP YOUR SPEECH.

Mandy,
Here is my letter about that.
I have emailed Senator Kit Bond, all Missouri Representatives, The KC Star, The St. Louis Post Dispatch, two local television stations, Fox News, Sean Hannity, The Beltway Boys, the McCain Campaign. I have also Faxed it to all four of Senator McCains offices and Emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC.

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you concerning what I consider voter intimidation against Senator McCain supporters.

Per a KMOV TV news broadcast, found here: [Link: www.kmov.com...]

The broadcast states, per reporter John Mills KMOV TV, that Missouri law enforcement target anyone who runs a misleading campaign ad.


He further states that Missouri Prosecutors and Sheriff’s are joining a “Barack Obama Truth Squad” including Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer.


From what I am seeing here this means that any ad that they disagree with or that they consider “misleading” will be dealt with via law enforcement!

John Mills also states in his report that his information is coming directly from the Obama Campaign.


Is this legal? Should prosecutors and sheriffs be “targeting” those they disagree with politically, especially on “company time”?


Since they stated that this is being carried out against McCain ads at the instigation of the Obama Campaign, and apparently will only be used against McCain ads, does this not violate campaign laws to use law enforcement officials to target citizens whom they disagree with politically?


I would appreciate your attention to this matter as I feel it is a direct violation of free speech, of voting rights, it is not being applied to both candidates ads and it is directly targeted at McCain voters

660 jwb7605  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:00:27pm

re: #648 joncelli

Virginia Tech won! Uh, not to gloat or anything.

I expected a spanking. The better team won. This year.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see what Bo Pellini is doing to the team.
Colorado got whomped by Florida State. I expected a similar game.

661 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #627 mitthrawnurdo

"Free speech" is only for the Messiah's followers, infidel.

/Or only for the Party faithful, if you prefer.

//Free speech is free, otherwise it would be called Expensive Speech (channeling Cindy, again).

I apologize but, I don't know how to respond to you!

662 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:00:56pm

re: #642 Sharmuta

Damnit. Now I need to hear some AC/DC.

Or better yet -

663 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:01:16pm
664 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:01:30pm

re: #567 taxfreekiller

oops correction

20,000,000 forwards of the #512 youtube

if youtube leaves it up that is

I've already shot it out to about a dozen friends and family.

I'm leaving my ultra-moonbat sister out of that loop, Obama could strangle his wife and she would still vote for him, there is no helping her. My SiL on the other hand, gets it next time she sends another BDS rant.

665 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:27pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Screw that.

THESE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA' STOP YOUR SPEECH.

Somehow I don't that'll stop you from speaking...

666 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:40pm

re: #662 Racer X

Or better yet -

That's just not right.

667 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:41pm

re: #642 Sharmuta

Damnit. Now I need to hear some AC/DC.

Trust me. Watch this.

668 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:55pm

re: #572 PSGInfinity

My earliest political memory was asking my dad what "Watergate" was, and distinctly remember not understanding the answer. Funny thing is, in some sense I still don't understand it...

Mine was noticing the host on a local (Boston area) kid's show changed the picture of the president. Looking back on it, I can remember listening to the returns for that election, with my parents really wanting Kennedy to win.

BTW, the kid's show that started with the Pledge of Allegiance, with a picture of the president, was run by Bob Emery, known as "Big Brother".

669 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:19pm

This is true, and is a decent solution:

$myItems = array(’item1’, ‘item2’, ‘item3’);
define(’MY_ITEMS’, serialize($myItems));

Then, to access the “array constant:”

$array = unserialize(MY_ITEMS);

---

but it seems like a lot of work. You want to define some constants and access them anywhere without having to say " global $myarray"

If you're using php 5, why not try this, it's much simpler.

namespace.php

670 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:37pm

re: #643 mitthrawnurdo

I know, but I love the look on Katie Couric's face when she has to cover a story about a Republican victory. I remember '04 - the radio news was claiming Kerry in a landslide. I knew better and enjoyed the evening coverage. It's the only time I watch MSM.

671 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #662 Racer X

Or better yet -

Baaah

672 mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:07pm

I have faith that American ingenuity will pull us through. We can grow our own food. We have plenty of energy reserves. And we have the most waste to cut. That is not a bad thing right about now. The wild card is will America unite to pull through together, or will demagogues with bullhorns use this crisis to drive us further apart for their own political gain. I know which candidate is for the pull together option and which one is for pulling us apart. That is plain as day by now. Obama has been driving a wedge his entire political life.

But If/when there is a big recession, it won't be an American problem, it will be global in scope. And much of the world relies on exporting to the American economy. They demonize us for overconsumption while they rely on our overconsumption for their lifeblood just like parasites.

I can see a push for a new global currency coming at us soon through the haze. That has always been the endgame for the "money cult" as poster tfk calls them. That notion gets closer each day.

But like I always say. The more complex the problem seems the simpler its solution will be.

673 3 wood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:08pm

Well, my wife just said that she was going to sue the computer for alienation of affection, so I got to go.

Good night and hope for the best.

674 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:02pm

Let me try again:

This is true, and is a decent solution:

$myItems = array(’item1’, ‘item2’, ‘item3’);
define(’MY_ITEMS’, serialize($myItems));

Then, to access the “array constant:”

$array = unserialize(MY_ITEMS);

---

but it seems like a lot of work. You want to define some constants and access them anywhere without having to say " global $myarray"

If you're using php 5, why not try this, it's much simpler.

namespace.php

// define the constants wherever you like...

$myglob = array( 'a'=>22, 'b'=>99);

// now reference them wherever you like...

function doit()
{
$my = $GLOBALS['myglob'];
print_r($my);
}

// let's try it.

doit();

--
when we run the program we get this:

php namespace.php

output:

Array
(
[a] => 22
=> 99
)

No serializing required. There's no speed advantage to using a constant over a global IF the global is defined in an external file. the Zend optimizer will see that it hasn't changed and keep it as bytecode.

Hope this helps Charles. You work too hard. :)

Also, you might think about creating an incremental series of files in a discussion thread because then you can take advantage of expiration and caching constructs. Right now you can't because the page cannot be cached.

It would really help when you have these 1,000 post threads during debates. And it wouldn't be too difficult to implement.

As Mr Spock said in The Wrath of Khan when they were ttrying to input the code to get Khans ship to drop it's shields "You just have to know how things work". ;)

as always I appreciate your work, and if anything I can contribute is helpful I'm glad to do it.

thanks

frank

675 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:44pm

re: #536 Macker

Indeed.

Today I was informed rather curtly that she is not nearly as dumb as I think. (of course, I think she has a walkman that plays "breathe in breathe out" in a continuous loop).

676 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:53pm

re: #655 joncelli

Because it's a liberal area soaked in guilt, and guilt gets handouts flowing.

Naaah... This area's a crazy magnet. Not to mention a hotbed of satanism, from what I've heard...

677 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:56pm

...

678 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:57pm

re: #659 Typicalwhitey

Just shows you what fascists these guys really are. If you disagree with us, we'll put you in jail...And then they have the nerve to accuse the right of fascism. What an Alice in Wonderland world we live in...

679 tommygum  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:06:24pm

re: #650 jaunte

I wonder if the Obama Truth Squads would think this statement was untrue:
"Lazy people who want the government to give them free stuff are more likely to vote for Obama than for McCain."

Lefty just wants free stuff!

680 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:30pm

...

681 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:24pm

re: #678 LGoPs

Just shows you what fascists these guys really are. If you disagree with us, we'll put you in jail...And then they have the nerve to accuse the right of fascism. What an Alice in Wonderland world we live in...

Well we will see what Vice Chairman Walther has to say about it!
I also faxed this to all four of John McCains offices.
I have met him previously and gave him a picture of my nephew (kia Iraq) so I am hoping that he will remember me.

682 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:42pm

re: #680 scrad

...


Perl?

683 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:46pm

re: #677 scrad

...

re: #680 scrad

...

Speechless?

;D

684 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:47pm

For the Dems, the Economic crisis is just another excuse to soak us all for some pork.

The Dems don't give a rat's-ass about what happens to the country. The Republicans care, so the Democrats are holding the future of the country hostage with an economic gun to its head, threatening to pull the trigger if the Republicans don't cave.

685 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:57pm

re: #678 LGoPs

Just shows you what fascists these guys really are. If you disagree with us, we'll put you in jail...And then they have the nerve to accuse the right of fascism. What an Alice in Wonderland world we live in...

I think the song we need here is We're Not Going to Take It, by Twisted Sister.

686 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:10:18pm

re: #680 scrad

...

PHP !

687 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:03pm

re: #681 Typicalwhitey

Well we will see what Vice Chairman Walther has to say about it!
I also faxed this to all four of John McCains offices.
I have met him previously and gave him a picture of my nephew (kia Iraq) so I am hoping that he will remember me.

God bless your nephew. My deepest condolencses (sic) and heartfelt thanks to him and his family.

688 switter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:04pm

so, the banks may melt down, Obama could very well be President, congress is controlled by dems, and the potential for two SCOTUS appointments, and now I gotta go to bed. looks like a long night. I think I'll go (unmanly word alert) cuddle with my five-year-old daughter. that always seems to put things in perspective.

Night all, and thanks to LGF for opening the hatch.

689 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:27pm

re: #681 Typicalwhitey

Well we will see what Vice Chairman Walther has to say about it!
I also faxed this to all four of John McCains offices.
I have met him previously and gave him a picture of my nephew (kia Iraq) so I am hoping that he will remember me.

Send my admiration and praise to his family, and that includes you.

690 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:53pm
691 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:52pm

re: #688 switter

so, the banks may melt down, Obama could very well be President, congress is controlled by dems, and the potential for two SCOTUS appointments, and now I gotta go to bed. looks like a long night. I think I'll go (unmanly word alert) cuddle with my five-year-old daughter. that always seems to put things in perspective.

Night all, and thanks to LGF for opening the hatch.

night to you too. I still cuddle my little girl every night too - by phone - she's 26 and married and across the country. Good way to end the day.

692 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:25pm

re: #684 Syrah


The Dems don't give a rat's-ass about what happens to the country. The Republicans care, so the Democrats are holding the future of the country hostage with an economic gun to its head, threatening to pull the trigger if the Republicans don't cave.

They will be made to stand at the very end of the soup lines they will have created. If the soup and bread runs out, tough shit.

693 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:50pm

re: #686 Archimedes

PHP !

Yup!

I sent him an example on how to do globals and it removed all the php code... so I tried to see what the security limits were in later posts so I could inform Charles.

Very good call on your part... ;)

694 LGoPs  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:50pm

Just want to say goodnight to all. I'm new here - just registered a couple days ago - but been reading LGF for a couple of years. Hope I'm not being presumptuous by saying I feel like you're all my friends here.

695 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:26:58pm

re: #690 taxfreekiller

guilt:
On American Jews who Democratic Party.

I don't think its right to attribute that strategy for addressing poverty (Let the Government tax everyone else) to just American Jews. I say that all rich moonbat Democrats share that perspective regardless of their family heritage.

696 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:28:03pm

re: #661 MandyManners

It's near impossible to respond to perfect insanity!

697 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:25pm

re: #694 LGoPs

Hope I'm not being presumptuous by saying I feel like you're all my friends here.

Heck I've been lucky enough to have the opportunity to post here for 4 years now and I hope the same thing about fellow lizards. Never personally met any of the others but I count lots of them as friends.

698 tommygum  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:32pm

Amen.

699 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:10pm

re: #694 LGoPs

Just want to say goodnight to all. I'm new here - just registered a couple days ago - but been reading LGF for a couple of years. Hope I'm not being presumptuous by saying I feel like you're all my friends here.

Glad to have you aboard!

700 Charles  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:53:24pm

re: #674 scrad

Good tip, thanks. Now checking it out in the code.

701 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:19:01pm

re: #700 Charles

glad to help. You should really look at creating incremental blocks of posts, perhaps in the order of 100 posts, then you make a new block.

Then, each block of 100 can be 'closed' when it is full. at that point you can give it a caching time.

at the bottom of each block you give people a link to each 'thread which is always dynamic, like it is now.

That link goes to a page that is just a list of the current 'block's' of messages. Perhaps with just timestamps...

When I go to that link, it's the only time I'm requiring a php program to do something. The rest of the time, apache is doing it's thing... which is very fast.

The previous pages are cacheable. as an average user I'll end up there as I try to 'catch up.

I've dealt with this kind of stuff before, but on a much larger scale. I did some work for a (not to be named company who sells audio players and downloadable audio on line. starts with an 'S' ends with 'DRM violations') and the largest goal was to get stuff into the 'archives' as soon as possible.

once there, we could give them expirations in the scale of days, instead of minutes.

hope this helps...
frank

702 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:32:59pm

re: #569 Sharmuta

Others have posted it, tfk. Syrah linked it last night when I watched it and I believe Syrah got it from rawmuse. I agree- it needs to go viral.

I hope the next person who uses that stupid web 2.0 marketing phrase gets a whopping case of ebola.

703 leftover54  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:19:34pm

global variables

Are they anything like "globular clusters" ?

704 LeePro  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:34:32pm

Hmmm...

Been on coupla threads today...

Made a few comments...

Still logged in at one downstairs...

Trekked up here and ooops! Says I gotta log in to post comments! 'zat part of the changes? Gotta log in again when you change pages?

705 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:10:07am

re: #3 EIDE_Interface

Cool. I refactor my code all the time. Always strive for greater elegance and simplicity!

So THAT's what this was all about! I concur. Absolutely. Sleek and elegant--just need to lose those 30 pounds of extra, extra...uh...uh...

706 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:11:12am

re: #703 leftover54

global variables

Are they anything like "globular clusters" ?

Nah...just your choice of planets. Me first, I pick Earth.

707 katemaclaren  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:12:21am

Uh Oh. Dead thread--no more global variables. Too late. I'm so depressed.

708 anand  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:42:47pm

WHAT! No ruby asshats on a code thread!

709 peolesdru  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:03:52pm

I'm finally a Lizard! Oh lucky day!


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