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The Duck of Death

Science | Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:57:56 pm PDT

Well, the economy may be melting down, and Iran may be on the brink of nuclear weapons, but at least we don’t have gigantic geese the size of small airplanes with beaks full of razor sharp teeth.

Scientists have found a new huge and well-preserved fossil of a goose and duck relative that swam around what is now England 50 million years ago flashing sharp, toothy smiles.

The skull, discovered on the Isle of Sheppey off the southeast coast of England in the Thames Estuary, belonged to a huge ancient bird in the extinct genus Dasornis, which had a whopping 16-foot (5-meter) wingspan.

“Imagine a bird like an ocean-going goose almost the size of a small plane!” said Gerald Mayr of the Senckenberg Research Institute in Germany and a member of the team that studied the skull. “By today’s standards, these were pretty bizarre animals, but perhaps the strangest thing about them is that they had sharp, tooth-like projections along the cutting edges of the beak.”

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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 8:59:38pm

The flood must have wiped them out.

/

3 Scooter McGruder  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:01:54pm

What did they eat, sharks? After all, the sharks wouldn't have had eye-lasers back then....

4 secret squirrel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:30pm

Gives a whole new level to the "Duck, Duck, Goose" game. Yikes

5 swamprat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:02:38pm

Were there giant oranges also?

6 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:13pm

Scientists have found a new huge and well-preserved fossil of a goose and duck relative that swam around what is now England 50 million years ago flashing sharp, toothy smiles.

Another victim of global warming!

7 stevieray  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:03:55pm

That's no duck, that's my ex girlfriend!

"Bizarre animal"..? Yup

"Razor sharp teeth"..? Sure 'nuff

/blanching at the memory

8 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:10pm

I'd hate to see that in the retention pond.

9 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:43pm

re: #6 Maximu§

Scientists have found a new huge and well-preserved fossil of a goose and duck relative that swam around what is now England 50 million years ago flashing sharp, toothy smiles.

Another victim of global warming!

Or cooling...but I bet they were tasty

10 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:54pm

I'll take toilet duck over the ginormous, tooth-laden geese, thank you very much.

/Is ginormous a scientific term?

11 Shug  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:04:54pm
A fossil of a goose and duck relative that swam around what is now England 50 million years ago flashing sharp, toothy smiles.


Not much has changed in their offspring

12 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:34pm

My standard poodles would still have tried to attack the ducks.
Of course, standard poodles didn't exist then, as we can tell by the complete lack of them on the Flintstones.

13 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:05:43pm

re: #11 Shug

Not much has changed in their offspring

Ah sitting ducks

14 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:19pm

Hey all y'all - gee I thought Charles was never gonna put up a new thread!
Anyway, I wanted to say a special thanks to LGFer Typicalwhitey who dared to face down the lion.
First please listen to this video (ya gotta go through a 15 second commercial) [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Then y'all should know that Typicalwhitey had the brass to send this to: three other TV Stations, radio stations, the McCain Campaign Headquarters, her Governor and her Senators and Congresscritters.
It's apparently now on Drudge and I have had the distinct privilege of making some suggestions to Typicalwhitey about these District Attorneys and Sheriff's offices who are going to act as Obama Truth Squads. The Governor of Missouri, about 4 hours or so after Typicalwhitey sent the above video link to his office, issued a STRONG statement condemning this activity. I'm hoping that the FBI and/or the FEC to whom Typicalwhitey also wrote, will be investigating and perhaps suspending those D.A.'s and Sheriff's from their jobs.
HURRAY FOR TYPICALWHITEY!

15 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:07:38pm

re: #9 SpartanWoman

Or cooling...but I bet they were tasty

Now your making me hungry...

16 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:02pm
17 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:09pm

Artist's Conceptual picture.

And you thought Hitchcock's Birds was scary.

18 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:28pm

Holy crap! I was almost right! Just got the wrong duck.

#556 Killer Tomato 9/27/08 8:33:25 pm
Yeah. Speaking truth to power, paper mache puppets and the giant duck of peace is what's kept us free.
19 gunslingah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:37pm

Thank God for the Global Cooling that saved us from things like this!

20 joncelli  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:08:38pm

Quack, dammit! (And with that, I'm off to bed.)

21 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:01pm

wow .. ducks with teeth and melamine in my milk.

wash that down with a bowl of genetically enhanced wheat flakes and a sip of gene modified tomato juice.

jump in my lead-free car and head off to my non-paying job.

Welcome to the 21st century guys .. its a blast.

22 freedomplow  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:20pm

Like the subtle approach.

23 PSGInfinity  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:09:26pm

re: #2 Shug

They occasionally make an appearance on the Washington Mall

Appearance? Hell, they infest this place!

24 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:10:02pm
25 jopa416  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:10:31pm

Didn't the flintstones used to fly around on one of those.

26 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:10:55pm

re: #24 MandyManners
Ah yup, see my #14.

27 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:05pm

I think liberals evolved from these saber-toothed ducks.

28 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:11:30pm

re: #26 realwest
Addendum: this is only the beginning Mandy!

29 jopa416  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:24pm

re: #16 Racer X

Hillarious

30 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:25pm

re: #14 realwest

Couldn't have done it without your suggestions and encouragement REAL(AMERICAN)WEST!

31 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:12:31pm
32 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:10pm

re: #27 faraway

NOW I'm beginning to see what happened to all my $100 bills!

33 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:13:48pm

Actually i have a good one to compete with this.

In Australia they have the Emu. But about 30,000 years ago (yes that recent) there were mammoth birds to a height of 3 meters still running around the plains of Australia.

Of course some smart Aborigine (Koorie if you prefer) found they tasted reeel good. So they died out because big drumsticks feed a lot of people.

And yes .. they were carnivorous bird.

34 Zimriel  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:12pm

Watch "Unforgiven" much? :^)

"I'm a damn killer myself. 'Cept, uh, I ain't killed as many as you because of my youth. "

35 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:20pm

re: #27 faraway

I think liberals evolved from these saber-toothed ducks.

No- this is a duck of war. Liberals evolved from sponges. You know- because they're spineless.

36 Racer X  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:29pm

re: #32 spirochete

NOW I'm beginning to see what happened to all my $100 bills!

Banks are still trying to recover from the democrat convention.

37 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:14:45pm

They say it tasted just like chicken.

38 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:15:09pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

No- this is a duck of war. Liberals evolved from sponges. You know- because they're spineless.

You and I agree. Yea.

39 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:19pm

This thing... with fangs?!

*wanders away with shell-shocked expression*

40 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:31pm

re: #9 SpartanWoman

Or cooling...but I bet they were tasty

If you could stand leftovers for the next 10 years.

41 clgood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:42pm

The real question is, will the Duck of Death's sidekick shoot Little Bill and make good his escape from jail?

42 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:47pm

A bird with teeth? Whats the big deal?

The Louisville Cardinals have had one of those for a logo for as long as I can remember.

43 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:16:49pm
44 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:02pm

re: #36 Racer X

Banks are still trying to recover from the democrat convention.

Are you trying to say that the economy will spend years recovering from Barack Obama's LOBBYING budget?

/snicker snicker

45 DUCKofDEATH  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:05pm

Those would by my distant relatives.

The ones we don't talk about:


Noah: "...2 dogs, 2 cats, 2 sheep, 2 ducks."

Ducks: "We're not coming!"

Noah: "Why not! There's going to be a huge flood."

Ducks: "Soooo,what's all the kerfuffle about. We normally swim down here. We'll swim up there."

Izzard: "There ought to be a lot of evil ducks around. They really should rule the world shouldn't they."


--Eddie Izzard, "Glorious"

46 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:13pm

Now if we could just find the animal that Pelosi evolved from. Coastal bird with rapidly blinking eyes.

47 scrad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:17:27pm

You know, I can't help but wonder if at the time these creatures lived, was the density of the atmosphere much higher?

How else could they fly in the air that existed then? Were they made of balsa wood?

II haven't seen anybody do research into this and say, 'hey, the air had to be as thick as soup for them to be able to have sustained flight. Or they had to be made of fiberglass to withstand bad landings.

Because, face it, unless they were able to levitate, they WOULD have a few bad landings. And if that were the case they'd all be dead. No babies.

So maybe I'm missing something here?

48 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:04pm
49 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:12pm

re: #28 realwest

Addendum: this is only the beginning Mandy!

Whatcha mean?

50 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:18:46pm

re: #40 Moe Katz

If you could stand leftovers for the next 10 years.

Mom .. whats for dinner?

Oh you know .. the usual .. 3 meter carnivorous chicken .....

AGAIN?

/with matzoh balls no less

51 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:15pm

That is a big bird.

Sharp teeth for big fish?

52 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:16pm

Alistair Cooke (Being Attacked by a Duck)

I can never visit Philadelphia without being reminded of the story of the Texan...(quack quack!)...Pennsylvania's ancient capital...(quacking)...to visit Arturo's, the famous fish restaurant...(loud quacking)...custom of this traditionally-(beeping)...

Click on speaker icon for audio.

/Ni!

53 clgood  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:19pm

re: #47 scrad

All you're missing is that very large airplanes fly in the atmosphere we have now. There's no aerodynamic reason why a Duck of Death couldn't fly in the same air.

In fact, assuming the climate was warmer then, the density altitude would have been higher than today. Which is another way of saying less dense.

54 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:28pm

re: #43 MandyManners
Why do you keep linking to the same link?

55 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:30pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

No- this is a duck of war. Liberals evolved from sponges. You know- because they're spineless.

Only they are more like jelly fish, because they can sting.

56 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:19:31pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I was wondering, too.

57 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:01pm

re: #46 faraway

Pelosia botoxii
the "blinking loon"

58 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:03pm

re: #46 faraway

Now if we could just find the animal that Pelosi evolved from. Coastal bird with rapidly blinking eyes.

they have sprays to counter weeds like that ..

Roundup ... maybe something stronger .. Raid ...

59 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:20:10pm

re: #54 realwest

Why do you keep linking to the same link?

It's important to her. I think she has a point here.

60 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:23pm

re: #14 realwest

Insane. Public paid employees who vow to remind voters that Barrack Obama is a Christian. Who can say what is in his heart? And why is that the job of a public employee?

61 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:32pm

I think this is where the expression DUCK! came from. It may have been our ancestor's first word.

62 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:57pm

I'd like to own one of those "Ducks of Death". It'd be a great pet.

63 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:21:58pm
64 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:05pm

I get it. It's Duckula!

65 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:15pm

re: #55 Archimedes

Only they are more like jelly fish, because they can sting.

And once they do sting, the solution is going to make people pissy.

66 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:37pm

re: #61 HelloDare

I think this is where the expression DUCK! came from. It may have been our ancestor's first word.

lol

67 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:22:48pm

re: #32 spirochete

That's not the whole story. Actually, I used the majority of 100 bills for, um, "trade agreements" at several, um, "organic, top-less establishments" throughout the East Coast.

/um...please forget that I ever wrote that.

68 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:23:18pm

re: #60 Mich-again

Insane. Public paid employees who vow to remind voters that Barrack Obama is a Christian. Who can say what is in his heart? And why is that the job of a public employee?

It isn't the job of a public employee.
And they were also going to remind people that he wanted tax cuts for those making less than $250K.
They were serving as campaign supporters.
Not the job of a public employee.
Notice they did not pledge to perform the same service on behalf of McCain.

69 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:05pm

re: #61 HelloDare

I think this is where the expression DUCK! came from. It may have been our ancestor's first word.

Btw, Duct tape started out as "duck" tape, because it would shed water like a duck. True story.

70 Buster Bunny  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:28pm

re: #59 Archimedes

It's important to her. I think she has a point here.

Maybe its a pivotal blog moment ... such as the date in Back to the Future

or of course it could just be a cosmic coincidence.

71 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:30pm

Did anyone else notice we have a lizard named Duck of Death? This place continuously amazes me.
Of course I'm drinking, so maybe that has something to do with it.

72 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:24:42pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout
Well, since TypcialWhitey has also involved the FBI, FEC and other law enforcement or election law monitoring groups, I expect to see lot's more than just the Govenor of Misssouri's condemnation of those actions. And especially once McCain gets around to
understanding what this is - out and out strongarming and threatening of voters freedom of speech (and btw, in the video, one of those Obama Truth Squad D.A.'s said something to the effect that if anyone says that Obama is gonna tax anyone making under $250,000 a year, they are lying, is wrong. By letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire as he's said he would, Obama will be making people who make $45,000 or more pay more taxes. So even one of his offical "Truth Squaders" doesn't know the truth!
I'm expecting this to go viral.

73 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:23pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

No- this is a duck of war. Liberals evolved from sponges. You know- because they're spineless.

Jellyfish. they poison everything they touch.

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:34pm
75 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:25:58pm

re: #72 realwest

Well, since TypcialWhitey has also involved the FBI, FEC and other law enforcement or election law monitoring groups, I expect to see lot's more than just the Govenor of Misssouri's condemnation of those actions. And especially once McCain gets around to
understanding what this is - out and out strongarming and threatening of voters freedom of speech (and btw, in the video, one of those Obama Truth Squad D.A.'s said something to the effect that if anyone says that Obama is gonna tax anyone making under $250,000 a year, they are lying, is wrong. By letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire as he's said he would, Obama will be making people who make $45,000 or more pay more taxes. So even one of his offical "Truth Squaders" doesn't know the truth!
I'm expecting this to go viral.

I hope it goes viral.
Good on both of you!

76 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:26:13pm

A duck walks into a bar and asks the bartender, “Has my brother been in here?”
The bartender responds, “What does he look like?”

77 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:01pm

re: #68 reine.de.tout

It isn't the job of a public employee.
And they were also going to remind people that he wanted tax cuts for those making less than $250K.
They were serving as campaign supporters.
Not the job of a public employee.
Notice they did not pledge to perform the same service on behalf of McCain.

Which I pointed out in my letter:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to you concerning what I consider voter intimidation against Senator McCain supporters.

Per a KMOV TV news broadcast, found here: [Link: www.kmov.com...]

The broadcast states, per reporter John Mills KMOV TV, that Missouri law enforcement target anyone who runs a misleading campaign ad.

He further states that Missouri Prosecutors and Sheriff’s are joining a “Barack Obama Truth Squad” including Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer.

From what I am seeing here this means that any ad that they disagree with or that they consider “misleading” will be dealt with via law enforcement!

John Mills also states in his report that his information is coming directly from the Obama Campaign.

Is this legal? Should prosecutors and sheriffs be “targeting” those they disagree with politically, especially on “company time”?

Since they stated that this is being carried out against McCain ads at the instigation of the Obama Campaign, and apparently will only be used against McCain ads, does this not violate campaign laws to use law enforcement officials to target citizens whom they disagree with politically?

I would appreciate your attention to this matter as I feel it is a direct violation of free speech, of voting rights, it is not being applied to both candidates ads and it is directly targeted at McCain voters

78 Purple Prose  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:27:45pm

The amazing thing about evolution is that through random mutation of DNA some quite unexpected and extreme-seeming organisms can arise, like Obama, but in the end it is the more practical organisms that leave more offspring and win out in terms of the gene pool. One great adaptation may win out one day, but it's the next day and the next day, when you're up against a multitude of competitors, that matters. And big size may make you a hit for one day, but when things change and it's the ability to burrow under the ground and survive a cold winter (or a longer period because of darkness and coldness because an asteroid has hit and filled the upper atmosphere with dust), it's flexibility and robustness and not sheer size that matters.

Evolution is a tinkerer, and just being big is not guarantee of success. In fact, big size is more often a liability, if resources become limited. So we live in a world of small organisms like insects and medium-sized organisms like us. They are the most adaptable to changing environments, and so able to leave the most offspring, through thick or thin.

McCain is not as tall as Obama. This is obviously not at all related to evolutionary fitness, but, what the heck, Obama sucks. He is a dinosaur, even if he is young. McCain is an adaptable creature, who was a fighter pilot, then one who suffered great torture and then rose to a position of great accomplishment. Obama is just a big bird who had Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers blowing to keep him aloft.

Obama is a dinosaur, who will whither as soon as the climate changes. McCain is an adaptable mammal, who can adapt to anything.

79 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:28:21pm

Oh forgot to mention, I mailed this letter to the ACLU in Missouri too!

80 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:04pm

Breaking News....N. Pelosi....on Bailout

81 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:05pm

re: #79 Typicalwhitey

Oh forgot to mention, I mailed this letter to the ACLU in Missouri too!

ACLU will do nothing.

82 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:06pm

If the artists conception is correct, the thing probably soared like an albatross. Wing has a high aspect ratio. Probably could not take off from the water without a very strong headwind. Doubt if he was much of a flapper.

83 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:29:41pm

re: #59 Archimedes
Well apparently so, as does whomever "twincitiesgirl" is (dinged you up on your post and dinged Mandy up on her first link) but I'd like to know what that point is, ya know?

84 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:03pm
85 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:11pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout
NO! Good on Typcialwhitey!

86 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:13pm

re: #76 faraway

A duck walks into a bar and asks the bartender, “Has my brother been in here?”
The bartender responds, “What does he look like?”

I assumed he walked into a duck bar.

87 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:31pm
88 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:36pm

Three guys get to heaven,Bob, Larry and Bill, and before they enter St. Peter warns them "whatever you do don`t ever, ever, step on a duck. Once one quacks, they all do, and they make a terrible racket".

Bob enters heaven and immediately steps on a duck. So an angel comes up to him and chains a large hairy ugly woman to him for eternity, and says " I told you not to step on a duck".

The next week Larry steps on a duck. An angel comes to him and chains a very ugly woman to him for eternity and says "I told you not to step on a duck".

Bill hadn`t stepped on a duck since he had gotten into heaven, then one day an angel comes up to him and chains a beautiful supermodel to him.

He asked her why she was there and she turned to him and said, " I don`t know what you did, but I stepped on a duck."

89 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:30:41pm

re: #81 SpartanWoman

ACLU will do nothing.

Maybe not.
I think it will be different when the Vice Chairman of the FEC reads my email though.

90 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:07pm
91 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:36pm

re: #77 Typicalwhitey

Which I pointed out in my letter:

That was a great letter!

92 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:55pm
93 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:31:59pm
94 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:32:37pm

re: #80 Inquisitive

Breaking News....N. Pelosi....on Bailout

I cannot stand to watch Pelosi.
She must have had that little smile permanently carved into her face It doesn't look real.

95 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:32:52pm

re: #14 realwest

Wow - Now the media contest to see how buried it gets.

96 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:33:27pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I cannot stand to watch Pelosi.
She must have had that little smile permanently carved into her face It doesn't look real.

One day she is going to open her eyes real big like she does and they'll fall out.

97 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:33:30pm

re: #83 realwest

Well apparently so, as does whomever "twincitiesgirl" is (dinged you up on your post and dinged Mandy up on her first link) but I'd like to know what that point is, ya know?

I think just to alert people to what is happening. That's my take.

98 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:33:52pm

There was another pre-historic DUCK that relied on its intelligence skills to defeat its prey.

/and it didn't even need to evolve to this day................

99 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:14pm

Speaking of ducks, somehow this reminds me of Markos Moulitsas and his followers...independent thinkers all!

100 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:23pm

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

Goose

Hey, now I like that one. :D

101 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:31pm

re: #96 CyanSnowHawk

One day she is going to open her eyes real big like she does and they'll fall out.

LOL!
Now that I'd like to see.
But the blinking blinking blinking might keep 'em in place, ya think?

102 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:44pm
103 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:34:48pm

re: #68 reine.de.tout

It isn't the job of a public employee.
And they were also going to remind people that he wanted tax cuts for those making less than $250K.
They were serving as campaign supporters.
Not the job of a public employee.
Notice they did not pledge to perform the same service on behalf of McCain.

Obama lied in his ad when he said the legislation he co-authored with Lugar would secure loose nuclear weapons. That piece of legislation never once mentioned loose nuclear weapons. And besides if there were really nuclear weapons for sale on the black market, the people holding them would never ever enter negotiations with the USA.

By the standard raised in that video, the officials would have had to ban the debate last night!

104 sparrowlake  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:02pm

re: #30 Typicalwhitey

Couldn't have done it without your suggestions and encouragement REAL(AMERICAN)WEST!

Wow. Did you receive any response from the Governor's office?

105 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:15pm

re: #103 Mich-again

Obama lied in his ad when he said the legislation he co-authored with Lugar would secure loose nuclear weapons. That piece of legislation never once mentioned loose nuclear weapons. And besides if there were really nuclear weapons for sale on the black market, the people holding them would never ever enter negotiations with the USA.

By the standard raised in that video, the officials would have had to ban the debate last night!

How do you know when Obama is lying?
His mouth is open and he's speaking.

106 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:16pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

That was a great letter!


Thank you.
It has been faxed to all four of Senator McCains offices, to Senator Bond, all Missouri Representatives as well as emailed to televisions stations, the Vice Chairman of the FEC, the KC Star, the St. Louis Post Dispatch, Sean Hannity, the Beltway Boys, Fox News, both Missouri ACLU offices and my entire email list.

Thanks to Realwest...he encouraged me so much!

107 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:36:53pm

re: #86 HelloDare

I assumed he walked into a duck bar.

I was hunting one day near a local lake when I heard voices coming from beyond a sand hill. I climbed up the dune, and looking arround saw three ducks on the water below. A moment later, I again heard the voices and realized the ducks were talking.
Amazed, I blurted out " you guys can talk?"
One of the ducks looked up, and with a sigh said" yes, we are capable of inteligent conversation."
"So, what are your names? what do you do?" I asked.
The nearest duck said, "my name is Quack, I swim arround on this lake all day. occasionally I dive under the water and blow bubbles."
The second duck then said my name is Quack Quack, I swim arround on this lake all day. occasionally I also dive under the water and blow bubbles."
Turning to the third duck, I asked, " Are you Quack Quack Quack?"
"No," he replied, "I'm Bubbles."

108 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:37:24pm

re: #99 SlartyBartfast

Speaking of ducks, somehow this reminds me of Markos Moulitsas and his followers...independent thinkers all!

Those poor things probably had no idea they were dinner.

109 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:37:45pm

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

110 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:54pm

re: #104 sparrowlake

No response from anyone yet.
My best bet is a response from John McCain.
I met him while he was in Kansas City and I believe he will remember me in my letter ( I added some things he will remember I hope!)

111 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:38:59pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Those poor things probably had no idea they were dinner.

The goslings or the Koslings?

112 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:17pm

re: #111 SlartyBartfast

The goslings or the Koslings?

Both.

113 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:27pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Those poor things probably had no idea they were dinner.

I've got to imagine that is common among the livestock that we eat.

114 Clemente  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:39:34pm

re: #88 faraway

Ya got my yuckety-yucks, with that there...

:)

115 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:40:34pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

A Duck relies on natural instinct to survive, not the GOVERNMENT to give it free stuff...?...?

116 spirochete  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:41:24pm

re: #115 IslandLibertarian

A duck does not fill with platitudes?

117 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:41:39pm

re: #109 faraway

A duck has the willpower to stop smoking.

118 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:41:50pm

Good night all. Pray for gridlock on the regressional fiasco aka bailout.

119 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:32pm

re: #116 spirochete

A duck does not fill with platitudes?

What about duck billed platitudes?

120 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:42:40pm

re: #30 Typicalwhitey

Couldn't have done it without your suggestions and encouragement REAL(AMERICAN)WEST!

Typicalwhitey,
thank you got charging forward and getting the word out there on this chilling strong arm tactic that obama is trying to use in missouri to intimidate american citizens from exercising their 1st amendment rights.
his egregious behavior seems like something we would have witnessed in russia in november of 1917, w/ stalin shutting down free speech as he took over the country.
obama's tactics reek of blatant and calloused disregard of what our constitution guarantees us all.
it is really shocking to see those public officials in missouri give a press conference and decree that they are effectively shutting down the 1 st amendment (basically to ensure that obama gets elected.)
they should be jailed.

121 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:43:07pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

Ducks don't need a teleprompter to tell them how to quack.

122 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:43:20pm

re: #95 legalpad
I understand how you feel, but this is a true, honest-to-gosh newsmaker - aired by one TV station with video tape of some of the "enforcers" (D.A.'s) saying that they were going to do this. That the TV station that broadcast that had no comment on it, methinks that, competition being what it is, Typicalwhitey's letter is going to stir up a newstory on at least one of 'em. Which will, necessarily lead to other MSM outlets -even if just at the Missouri/Kansas City/St. Louis regional area at first.

123 Idle Drifter  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:43:44pm
124 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #27 faraway

I think liberals evolved from these saber-toothed ducks.

That's an insult to ducks

125 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:34pm

Ducks and Obama. They both need bill.

126 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:34pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

The eggs a duck lays will hatch.

A duck's "community organizing" doesn't depend on government grants.

A duck knows when it's the right time to pack up and get the flock out.

And "duck" only rhymes with a profanity.

127 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:44:36pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

How do you know when Obama is lying?
His mouth is open and he's speaking.

Better.

128 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:31pm

re: #122 realwest

I still find it incredible that those DA's felt comfortable saying what they intended to do while being videotaped.

129 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:45:47pm

re: #122 realwest

Man, I hope so!

130 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:17pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

How do you know when Obama is lying?

The minute hand is somewhere between 0 and 59 minutes, inclusive.

131 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:21pm

re: #109 faraway
The duck doesn't have ears?!

132 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:47pm

re: #131 realwest

Yes, they're just better-hidden.

133 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:46:51pm

Can anyone explain Obama's blue lips from the debate last night? That was really weird.

134 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:47:32pm

re: #133 Mich-again

[Link: www.bettymills.com...]

135 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:01pm

From Yahoo news:

"An analyst asshat Democrat hack Mark Halperin rates both candidates on substance, style, and overall debate performance."

If Mark Halperin is an analyst, I'm the Dali Lama.

136 Clemente  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:33pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

Well, when a duck walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and leaves duck shit everywhere, folks all know it's a duck.

Obama, not so much. Obama (quack) gets a pass...

137 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:41pm

re: #135 SlartyBartfast

"Halperin" sounds like some kind of tranquilizer.

138 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:48:42pm

re: #14 realwest

Real, I linked it in the spinoff links for this thread with a hat tip to you and Typicalwhitey.

139 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:49:10pm

Hmm, Do I lose a level if I pick up this Duck of Doom? Can't I get a duck of Many things instead?

/Munchkin player

140 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:49:36pm

re: #107 JeremyR

Story is more true than you think. A pretty high percentage of ducks are gay.
"...when raised in all-male groups, Mallards usually form lifelong homosexual pairs, and re-pair with other males on being "widowed". Nevertheless, even among males that have not been raised together, approximately 13-17 percent still participate in homosexual pairing for at least a portion of their lives." - Biological Exuberance, by Bagemihl.

141 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:49:42pm

re: #122 realwest

it is sickening what these authority figures have done in their positions of power.
i'm thinking there is a criminal element to it.
it is an indication of what obama could do if elected and how quickly his minions would do his bidding,
this should derail his campaign.
he is a thug and very arrogant. is this the audacity he speaks of?

142 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:12pm

re: #110 Typicalwhitey
Well don't forget, that today is Saturday and it's unlikely that there will be many folks working today.
I'd bet that come Monday, you'll start getting responses.
That the Govenor of Missouri saw fit to re-issue his first announcement, making it even stronger (I think, I had trouble sorta doing a side-by-side comparison of the announcements you sent to me) however indicates that SOMEONE paid attention today, and, as I said, more will on Monday!

143 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:16pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Didn't take notice to that. His eyeshadow caught my attention. Reminded me of Mr. Spock.

144 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:17pm

re: #137 victor_yugo

"Halperin" sounds like some kind of tranquilizer.

It is: it numbs you from the neck up.

145 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:30pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Can anyone explain Obama's blue lips from the debate last night? That was really weird.

He's been imitating his wife with that tight lipped pissy look.

146 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:42pm

re: #88 faraway

That reminds me of Hell for Marilyn Monroe: having sex with Khrushchev for Eternity!

147 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:50:57pm

Oh Hell I forgot!

RUSH LIMBAUGHS cousin is a US Attorney in Missouri!

148 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:28pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

A duck ain't a chicken.

149 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:37pm

re: #140 HelloDare

Are many of them blind as well?

150 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:46pm

re: #140 HelloDare

Story is more true than you think. A pretty high percentage of ducks are gay.
"...when raised in all-male groups, Mallards usually form lifelong homosexual pairs, and re-pair with other males on being "widowed". Nevertheless, even among males that have not been raised together, approximately 13-17 percent still participate in homosexual pairing for at least a portion of their lives." - Biological Exuberance, by Bagemihl.


Do they have gay sex? Or are they just bff like oprah and gayle?

151 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:57pm

re: #138 Honorary Yooper
NOOOOO - the hat tip goes solely to Typicalwhitey who did ALL the work on this; I gave Typicalwhitey some encouragement and I hope some usful ideas and links for certain governmental agencies, that's all I did, Typicalwhitey deserves ALL the credit for this.

152 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:51:59pm

re: #7 stevieray

/Was Duck-Duck- Goose around back then?

Daughter used to drive me up the wall when she was about 7 or 8 with this....endlessly. I fully intend to get my 2 year old grandson to learn it! ;)

153 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:03pm

re: #147 Typicalwhitey

Oh Hell I forgot!

RUSH LIMBAUGHS cousin is a US Attorney in Missouri!

bingo.
rush will be all over this on monday.

154 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:03pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

He's been imitating his wife with that tight lipped pussy look.

There, fixed that for ya!

155 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:14pm
156 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:20pm

re: #110 Typicalwhitey

No response from anyone yet.
My best bet is a response from John McCain.
I met him while he was in Kansas City and I believe he will remember me in my letter ( I added some things he will remember I hope!)

This is all very fascinating.

157 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:24pm

re: #147 Typicalwhitey

Oh Hell I forgot!

RUSH LIMBAUGHS cousin is a US Attorney in Missouri!

Here he is.

158 Syrah  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:30pm
159 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:52:38pm

re: #153 nyc redneck

bingo.
rush will be all over this on monday.

He already discussed it Friday.

160 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:54:19pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

He already discussed it Friday.

Plus he mentioned Gateway Pundit by name.

161 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:54:39pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

He already discussed it Friday.

good, and he'll hit it again on monday.

162 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:55:23pm

re: #150 newsjunkie_ky

Do they have gay sex? Or are they just bff like oprah and gayle?

Let me check the book...the author uses the term "homosexual copulation" when referring to female Mallards. He did not specify when referring to males.

163 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #83 realwest

Hi Real,
I'm tcg who gave both you and Mandy an upding. Mandy posted this on another thread:
THESE ASSHOLES ARE GONNA STOP YOUR FREE SPEECH

I think free speech is important to most people and many people get very pissed ticked off when others try to take it away. Makes sense to me....

I also find it kind of ironic/humorous that this was questioned as well as who dings what...but that's just me.

/having computer problems tonight

164 Palandine  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #120 nyc redneck

Governor Blunt is raising hell about this, and anything that pisses off rural Missourians and gets the vote out is a good thing.

Oh, and the prosecutor can come get me--I think Obama's going to raise taxes on all taxpayers. Molon labe.

165 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:56:21pm

-- Congressional lawmakers say a "breakthrough" has been reached on a proposed economic bailout deal.

166 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:56:29pm

re: #151 realwest

You brought it up here, thus I thank you for doing so. Otherwise I may never have seen it. And Typicalwhitey was the one who originally found it (as mentioned in the spinoff blurb). I also thank him for his work.

re: #141 nyc redneck

Welcome to "Chicago politics goes national". They use thuggery all the time to intimidate their opponents in elections in the city. It's one way that the Machine has kept control in its wards.

167 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:56:37pm

re: #162 HelloDare

Let me check the book...the author uses the term "homosexual copulation" when referring to female Mallards. He did not specify when referring to males.


O.k. ,now how do they do that?

168 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:26pm

Ducks have a bill and Hillary has a Bill but Obama only has blue lips.

169 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:30pm
170 Archimedes  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:35pm

re: #164 Palandine

Governor Blunt is raising hell about this, and anything that pisses off rural Missourians and gets the vote out is a good thing.

Oh, and the prosecutor can come get me--I think Obama's going to raise taxes on all taxpayers. Molon labe.

Didn't McCain say he was going to raise taxes on anyone making 40K?

Is he going to go after McCain?

171 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:57:54pm

re: #157 SlartyBartfast

Here he is.

Hooray

172 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 9:58:23pm

re: #165 HelloDare

-- Congressional lawmakers say a "breakthrough" has been reached on a proposed economic bailout deal.

The proverbial finger in the dike.

173 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:00:05pm

re: #172 Cartman

The proverbial finger in the dike.

Yet another phrase that you don't want to Google with Safe Search turned off. (Unless of course, you want to find that sort of thing.)

174 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:00:29pm

re: #171 SpartanWoman

Hooray

Just faxed my letter and the statement from Governor Blunt to US Attorney Limbaugh!

175 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:04pm

re: #164 Palandine

Governor Blunt is raising hell about this, and anything that pisses off rural Missourians and gets the vote out is a good thing.

Oh, and the prosecutor can come get me--I think Obama's going to raise taxes on all taxpayers. Molon labe.

this is going on in missouri because obama thinks he can muscle his way in there.
missouri is the 'show me state'.
i think obama is showing you all what a stalinist thug he is.
i hope this rallies missourians and they shut him down.

176 SurferDoc  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:17pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

The duck doesn't have to fake it to get down?

177 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:18pm

If Mark to Market is really how accounting should be done, shouldn't that rule apply to my property taxes as well?

Because according to the Township Assessor, my home is still worth what it was before the recent real estate downturn.

178 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #172 Cartman

The proverbial finger in the dike.

*biting tongue*

179 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:27pm

re: #174 Typicalwhitey

Just faxed my letter and the statement from Governor Blunt to US Attorney Limbaugh!

Good! I hope there is a major slapdown of these dipshits in Saint Louis.

180 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:32pm

re: #167 x-wing

O.k. ,now how do they do that?

No pictures or drawings on Mallards, but there is an illustration of a Common Murre "attempting to forcibly copulate with another male". I won't go into the pictures of primates or dolphins or gray whales.

181 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:01:33pm

re: #173 CyanSnowHawk

Um, I was referring to that Dutch kid, but I'll take your word for it. ;)

182 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:02:21pm

re: #179 Honorary Yooper

Good! I hope there is a major slapdown of these dipshits in Saint Louis.

NOBODY comes into my state and tries to shove THIS country girl around!

183 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:03:09pm

Attention all lizardoids what can we learn conclusively from this article (which by the way has NO photographic evidence) tell us?

#1 Scientists found ONE fossil (specifically the skull)
#2 Where the fossil was found.
#3 The Fossil is bird like with teeth and is the size of a small plane.

What we don't know from the article...
#1 Where there more than one of these creatures? (be honest does the article say there was more than one fossil found?)
#2 How old the fossil is? (yes the article say 50 million years but how do we know that without documentation of index fossil or chemical dating results?)
#3 Who found the fossil? (is this person an objectionable inquisitor? or someone who is financially compensated for making such a discovery?)

Please Don't get me wrong I"m not Disputing the claim of the find.

But if this Article was posted on some Moonbat site it I have in some faith that it would be a little more investigated than this?

I Welcome any feedback please..

184 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:03:30pm

re: #180 HelloDare

No pictures or drawings on Mallards, but there is an illustration of a Common Murre "attempting to forcibly copulate with another male". I won't go into the pictures of primates or dolphins or gray whales.


I meant the female ducks.

185 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:03:52pm

re: #180 HelloDare

No pictures or drawings on Mallards, but there is an illustration of a Common Murre "attempting to forcibly copulate with another male". I won't go into the pictures of primates or dolphins or gray whales.

Frigging hedonists all.

Those whales just don't understand good and evil. They're all about "Shades of gray."

186 Inquisitive  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:03pm

re: #162 HelloDare

Let me check the book...the author uses the term "homosexual copulation" when referring to female Mallards. He did not specify when referring to males.

I don't know about the "homosexual copulation" but the male duck I had as a pet just "loved" my shoes.

187 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:21pm

My step-mom lives in Missou. Wonderful gal, but a Dem moonbat. I'm guessing she thinks what's going on there is okey dokey. Sheesh.

188 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:04:29pm

re: #177 Mich-again

If Mark to Market is really how accounting should be done, shouldn't that rule apply to my property taxes as well?

Because according to the Township Assessor, my home is still worth what it was before the recent real estate downturn.

Property taxes are valued at Jan 1 last year, using valuations from 1 year ago. So, maybe in 2 years, it will go down. Don't count on it, they will just raise the percentage rate.

189 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:05:27pm

re: #141 nyc redneck

it is sickening what these authority figures have done in their positions of power.
i'm thinking there is a criminal element to it.
it is an indication of what obama could do if elected and how quickly his minions would do his bidding,
this should derail his campaign.
he is a thug and very arrogant. is this the audacity he speaks of?

In my mind, there's not much more heinous than a public official or employee, using the power of his/her office or position, to threaten or intimidate the public.
That was what was happening here, and it was frightening to me to see that video clip with those officials speaking as if they had every right to do what they were doing, without even mentioning that they would provide the same "public service" for McCain.
I was also completely perplexed by the news station reporters seeming to be completely oblivious to what the were reporting - like it was no big deal!

Obama is a thug, as you say, imo. And this is a frightening look at what life with an Obama presidency would mean.

He becomes more and more arrogant and seems to feel more and more entitled every time he speaks.

190 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:05:29pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

Is the answer? Put it on my bill?

191 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:06:34pm

re: #184 x-wing

I meant the female ducks.

Duck dildos.

192 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:06:58pm

Moonbat gusts at dinner tonight, starting, unbidden, conversations about Sarah Palin.

GAAAAAAAA !

Oh well.


Good night everyone.

193 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:04pm

re: #191 HelloDare

Duck dildos.


After I posted that, I knew something like that was coming.

LOL.

194 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:15pm

Wouldn't the entire "crisis" go away if we simply changed the
mark to market rules. Like, say, use a floor for 30 year mortgage securities.

Why should a bundle of 30 year mortgages be worth less than 50% of their basis? Their collateral (the house) is worth at least half.

195 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:29pm

Captain Morgan Tattoo has put me into the realm of the Iron Fist rule. (Or something like that, either way I am too drunk to comment) Night all.

196 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:30pm

re: #183 joekowalski247

From the article:

Mayr's study of the fossil is detailed in the Sept. 26 issue of the journal Palaeontology.

Furthermore- at the bottom of the yahoo link is a link to the article at LiveScience where picture 2 of 2 shows the skull.

Also- I have no idea what the problem is if this story was on a moonbat site. This isn't a political issue- it's science.

197 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:08:41pm

re: #183 joekowalski247

#1 Scientists found ONE fossil (specifically the skull)

Good point. Imagine if someday in the future scientists happen to dig up the grave of Robert Pershing Wadlow. Would it be correct for them to assume that humans at the time were all 9' tall.

198 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:09:48pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

LiveScience is more like NationalEnquirer sometimes.

199 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:10:08pm

re: #194 faraway

200 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:10:57pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

yea, drudge had that up. its great.

201 Olderthandirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:11:01pm

Daily limit is 1, possession limit is 2! Must leave on one foot, or the head, or the tail when storing or transporting.

202 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:11:07pm

re: #198 faraway

LiveScience is more like NationalEnquirer sometimes.

However, the peer-reviewed journal Palaeontology is not like the National Enquirer in the least.

203 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:11:31pm

re: #200 faraway

Maybe you should, you know, watch it.

204 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:11:53pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

I think public officials use the power of their office to threaten and intimidate much more often than we think. Most of the time it happens in private meetings. The surprising part of this was that they're doing it in the open, on tape.

205 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:11:57pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Before I was drunk tonight, I sent that link out to about a dozen of my friend and family. I hope it goes viral before the moonbats manage to get it deleted.

206 BigJohn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:16pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Can anyone explain Obama's blue lips from the debate last night? That was really weird.

He's a big time smoker.

207 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:36pm

re: #203 Sharmuta

ok, o wise one. whats your recommendation?

208 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:42pm

re: #196 Sharmuta
Thank for the link, I stand corrected

209 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:12:56pm

re: #187 Cartman
Hey my friend - send her the link to the gateway pundit video or to the video I think Typicalwhitey posted upthread and ask her if THIS is the kind of America she wants?
I'm serious. This is nothing but out and out intimidation not only of voters but of those who would DARE to question Obama in any way (and NO it's not a defense for her to say "well as long as they don't lie the'll be ok", because one of the people involved already doesn't know the "truth" about Obama's raising taxes on folks making waaaay less than $250,000 a year and because they said that they were going to do it - presumably on salaried time ONLY against McCain supporters, AT THE REQUEST OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN - it's right there on the video tape!

210 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:14:08pm

re: #208 joekowalski247

You're welcome.

211 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:14:51pm

re: #206 BigJohn

He's a big time smoker.

So am I, but my lips aren't blue.

212 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:15:00pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Can anyone explain Obama's blue lips from the debate last night? That was really weird.

He kissed his cold, bitter wife.

213 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:15:02pm

re: #207 faraway

ok, o wise one. whats your recommendation?

Go back to telling jokes. How's that for a recommendation?

214 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:15:39pm

re: #188 faraway

Don't count on it, they will just raise the percentage rate.

1) In Michigan they track two metrics. Your home's appraised value and its taxable value. And during the boom the appraised value shot up like a rocket while the taxable value was tied to the rate of inflation. So now while home values are dropping, it is entirely possible that your home's appraised value will drop like a rock while its taxable value will continue to rise. Someday in the future the two will meet perhaps. But for me at least there is still a $50,000 difference.

If the assessor had to comply with Marked to Market it would have cost me more during the boom, but I would be saving more now.

As for increasing the Millage rate, that requires a local vote. And millage increases never ever pass these days.

215 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:16:28pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

Some can do both. Some can do neither.

216 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:16:32pm

re: #206 BigJohn

He's a big time smoker.

I know lots of people who smoke. None of them have blue lips.

217 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:16:55pm

this is like a moslem tactic. we can't say anything abt. the rop.
no cartoons, no criticism of the profit, nothing abt. the koran.

the dem authorities in missouri are threatening CRIMINAL prosecution for critical discussion of barack husssein obama.
a public figure running for potus.
i could be in trouble for just mentioning his middle name.
the interpretation and enforcement of this edict is completely arbitrary.
what a chilling effect on free speech at a time when american citizens need to be vocal and feel free to openly discuss the candidates running for high office.
this is beyond shameful.

218 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:01pm

There were many mass extinctions in the past.

219 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:02pm

Donald Duck is not very happy about being disparaged by anyone...and neither are Louie, Huey, and Dewey.

Off to sleep...lots of cooking and baking today and tomorrow for Rosh HaShana

G'nite, and sweet dreams!

220 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:15pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout
Well

it was frightening to me to see that video clip with those officials speaking as if they had every right to do what they were doing, without even mentioning that they would provide the same "public service" for McCain.
I was also completely perplexed by the news station reporters seeming to be completely oblivious to what the were reporting - like it was no big deal!

that's about as neat a summation as I can think of.
Talk about abuse of Public Power and obliviousness to it by the MSM - well oblivious since it "favors" Obama.
Hell OBAMA ought to disown this RIGHT NOW.

221 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:26pm

re: #217 nyc redneck

How long till they ban political cartoons featuring O-Brahma? OMG what if someone drew him with a bomb for a turban.

222 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:18:56pm

Congressional Leaders Announce Breakthrough in Bailout Bill Negotiations

Congressional leaders and the Bush administration last night struck a historic accord to insert the government deeply into the nation's financial markets, agreeing to spend up to $700 billion to relieve Wall Street of troubled assets backed by faltering home mortgages.

Negotiators emerged from a marathon session in the Capitol about 12:30 a.m. to announce that they had reached agreement on a proposal to give Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. broad authority to organize one of the biggest government interventions in the private sector since the Great Depression.

Full details of the plan were not immediately available. Lawmakers said their staffs would continue working through the night to commit them to paper. Under the plan, first put forward by the Bush administration in a late-night meeting with lawmakers just 10 days ago, Paulson would be authorized to purchase mortgage-backed assets from struggling firms in hopes of easing a credit crunch that has pushed global markets to the brink of collapse.

/for the sake of Michelle's children, let's hope this works

223 West Coast Freedom  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:19:11pm

re: #133 Mich-again

Can anyone explain Obama's blue lips from the debate last night? That was really weird.

Moonbat vampires have blue blood

224 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:19:48pm

re: #197 Mich-again

Good point. Imagine if someday in the future scientists happen to dig up the grave of Robert Pershing Wadlow. Would it be correct for them to assume that humans at the time were all 9' tall.

225 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:20:22pm

re: #216 Mich-again

I know lots of people who smoke. None of them have blue lips.


I wonder what the temp of the room was. I know they usually like it chilly for these things.

After seeing Obama in the replays his blue lips remind me of a pure bred dog with the blue toungue.

226 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:20:24pm

re: #217 nyc redneck

this is like a moslem tactic. we can't say anything abt. the rop.
no cartoons, no criticism of the profit, nothing abt. the koran.

the dem authorities in missouri are threatening CRIMINAL prosecution for critical discussion of barack husssein obama.
a public figure running for potus.
i could be in trouble for just mentioning his middle name.
the interpretation and enforcement of this edict is completely arbitrary.
what a chilling effect on free speech at a time when american citizens need to be vocal and feel free to openly discuss the candidates running for high office.
this is beyond shameful.

It's also a mafia tactic that the Dems in Chicago are famous for. As Don Richard..er..Mayor Daley said, "There is no Chicago Machine".

As I said before, Obama is making Chicago-style politics go national. Watch for more of this shit as the campaign continues into Election Day.

227 BigJohn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:20:39pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

So am I, but my lips aren't blue.

Excessive smoking can cause lips to turn dark, especially in African-Americans.

228 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:21:20pm

re: #224 joekowalski247

Or if they dug up Michelle Obama. They'd think all Americans were bitter.

229 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:21:37pm

re: #209 realwest

Hiya, R-Dubs!

Oh, I could send here the link, but I can predict what she'd say.

"Well, the Republicans do this kind of thing all the time!"

There's no getting through to the truly committed.

230 Maximu§  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:22:05pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

Congressional Leaders Announce Breakthrough in Bailout Bill Negotiations


/for the sake of Michelle's children, let's hope this works

Well said Comrade, it looks like loyal party officials have saved the Motherland.

231 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:22:06pm

Re: the "burning down the house" video, can you all read everything the author wants you to read?
Asking, because I have bad eyes and I can't seem to get all the reading done in the time allotted. Seems like it goes much too fast. But that could just be because of my poor vision. So before I send it out, I just wanted to know if you all had enough time to actually read the articles cited?

232 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:22:54pm

re: #227 BigJohn

Excessive smoking can cause lips to turn dark, especially in African-Americans.

I'll bet Barry's been huffing and puffing like a chimney. His polling data has got to be making him jonesing badly for a cigarette rather often.

233 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:00pm

re: #231 newsjunkie_ky

I clicked the pause button a lot as was suggested in the video.

234 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:50pm

re: #197 Mich-again

Good point. Imagine if someday in the future scientists happen to dig up the grave of Robert Pershing Wadlow. Would it be correct for them to assume that humans at the time were all 9' tall.


sorry something happened with that last quote....
I responded that it would NOT be correct to assume all humans were 9' tall if a well documented amorality like Mr. Wadlow's skull happened to be found

235 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:55pm

re: #220 realwest

Well


that's about as neat a summation as I can think of.
Talk about abuse of Public Power and obliviousness to it by the MSM - well oblivious since it "favors" Obama.
Hell OBAMA ought to disown this RIGHT NOW.


You mean Obamas' gonna have to throw Missouri law enforcement under that bus? Tell them to say hi to his white grandmother for me.
///

236 jaunte  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #231 newsjunkie_ky

It goes quickly. When you send it out, tell your recipients to keep their fingers on the 'pause' button as they play the video, then they will be sure to catch some of the detail that might speed by.

237 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:24:00pm

re: #194 faraway
I don't think the entire crisis would go away, but changing THOSE rules would go a LONG way to banks being able to loan money again. The collapse of the credit markets (even to folks with GREAT CREDIT) is I'm afraid immenent because the banks don't have the capital to invest or loan because of that mark to market rule.
But we also need to totally repeal the Community Reinvestment Act to prevent lenders from HAVING to make mortgage loans to people who not only have poor or bad credit but also don't have or can't show sufficient income to carry the damn loan!

238 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:24:13pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Artist's Conceptual picture.

And you thought Hitchcock's Birds was scary.

Carcharoduck Megaloduck!

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the duck pond....

239 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:24:40pm

There was a physician lizard a few weeks ago, forgot his nic, who said Obie looks cyanotic. Blue lips would go with that, i.e. deoxygenated capillary blood in the mucosa of the lips.

240 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:14pm

re: #227 BigJohn

Excessive smoking can cause lips to turn dark, especially in African-Americans.

If he's smoking a lot, I wonder what the actuarial tables say about his projected life span? Didn't his mother die young. Around 52 or so. McCain's mom is, what, 96?

241 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:18pm

re: #230 Maximu§

Well said Comrade, it looks like loyal party officials have saved the Motherland.

/better Red than dead

242 freedombilly  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:28pm

Sounds like it is describing Pelosi.

243 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:32pm

re: #228 HelloDare

Or if they dug up Michelle Obama. They'd think all Americans were bitter.

I think thats a reasonable assumption
MR.sarcasm

244 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:54pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

I clicked the pause button a lot as was suggested in the video.


I did not see that. Will try it. Thanks.

245 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:25:57pm

re: #231 newsjunkie_ky

No, the articles highlighted in the vid go by too quickly, and the sources are sometimes hard to determine.

246 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:26:05pm

re: #227 BigJohn

Excessive smoking can cause lips to turn dark, especially in African-Americans.

The medical reason could be Cyanosis.

re: #225 x-wing

After seeing Obama in the replays his blue lips remind me of a pure bred dog with the blue toungue.

We used to have a Chow Chow. His name was Reagan because that was a word for Lion and his pops looked like a lion. He had a black tongue.

247 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:26:45pm

re: #236 jaunte

It goes quickly. When you send it out, tell your recipients to keep their fingers on the 'pause' button as they play the video, then they will be sure to catch some of the detail that might speed by.

Thanks, will do.

248 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:26:52pm

re: #204 jaunte
Absolutely right. When I first saw that video, I was absolutely shocked. And then I figured it was some bizzaro SNL type of thing, but when they got back to the newsdesk at the station and simply went on to another story, I was just dumbfounded!

249 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:27:36pm

Any other Missouri Lizards want to help me in my quest?

250 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:27:40pm

I want one of those pterodactyls for home pet.

251 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:28:02pm

re: #239 Moe Katz

There was a physician lizard a few weeks ago, forgot his nic, who said Obie looks cyanotic. Blue lips would go with that, i.e. deoxygenated capillary blood in the mucosa of the lips.

Love to see a reporter ask him if he's still smoking. Not that I care but it would be great to see his reaction. And if he is and said he wasn't, imagine the pressure that would put on his habit.

252 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:28:09pm

re: #212 HelloDare
ROFL!

253 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:29:04pm

re: #251 HelloDare

Love to see a reporter ask him if he's still smoking. Not that I care but it would be great to see his reaction. And if he is and said he wasn't, imagine the pressure that would put on his habit.

Ask michelle if he is still stanky.

254 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:29:23pm

re: #237 realwest


But we also need to totally repeal the Community Reinvestment Act to prevent lenders from HAVING to make mortgage loans to people who not only have poor or bad credit but also don't have or can't show sufficient income to carry the damn loan!

Obama and the Dem congress needs to be hammered on this daily.

consider the "Community Organizer" role Barack Obama is so proud of. It is no secret Obama worked for ACORN in Chicago where part of his work was suing financial institutions to force CRA compliance. It is no secret he continues to support the goals and strategies of ACORN. This would put Obama neck deep in creating the problem he is now asking America to send him to Washington to fix.

255 pink freud  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:29:29pm

re: #240 HelloDare

"Another actuarial company has already said McCain has a 92 percent chance of surviving through two terms, and said he has another 8.4 years left in good health.

“I’ve seen remarks that (McCain) has a 1 in 3 probability of dying. That’s greatly overstated,” said James Brooks, a senior actuary at the Atlanta-based Bragg’s, a company that specializes in predicting mortality and morbidity.

Obama has a 98.5 percent chance of surviving his first term, and is expected to have another 21.9 years of healthy living, according to Brooks."

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

256 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:30:25pm

re: #251 HelloDare

Love to see a reporter ask him if he's still smoking. Not that I care but it would be great to see his reaction. And if he is and said he wasn't, imagine the pressure that would put on his habit.

It could provide the basis for an interesting counter-attack to the Obama ads about McCain's health.

257 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:30:34pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

this is making me so sick. if you look at history, you see that this is how the unthinkable and unspeakable begins.
one grab for power, one move to shut down citizen's rights, and it escalates. democracy isn't a given.
it must be protected. it is the best system we can hope for.
i think i'm beginning to understand the statement, "freedom isn't free"

258 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:30:59pm

re: #255 pink freud

Thanks for the link.

259 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:31:08pm

If Obama is a smoker, I'd say he's a Newport kind of guy. Or maybe Virginia Slims.

No way does he smoke the red cowboy killers.

260 BigJohn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:31:53pm

re: #255 pink freud

Look at his 90 something year old mother. What genes his family has.

261 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:31:58pm

re: #257 nyc redneck

this is making me so sick. if you look at history, you see that this is how the unthinkable and unspeakable begins.
one grab for power, one move to shut down citizen's rights, and it escalates. democracy isn't a given.
it must be protected. it is the best system we can hope for.
i think i'm beginning to understand the statement, "freedom isn't free"

This sure as hell isn't the kind of thing my nephew died in Iraq for!
Screw them, I am going to continue to hammer EVERYONE in Missouri until this shit is stopped!

262 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:32:08pm

re: #259 Mich-again

If Obama is a smoker, I'd say he's a Newport kind of guy. Or maybe Virginia Slims.

No way does he smoke the red cowboy killers.

Catch him with a cigarette holder and he's lose the election.

263 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:32:36pm

re: #255 pink freud

They want to talk about the GOP VP candidate?

This from a party that selected a man (Biden) that received less votes than another Presidential candidate that admitted he believed in UFOs.

264 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:33:04pm

re: #259 Mich-again

If Obama is a smoker

/if?

265 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:33:43pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy
Hey Killian - thanks for that one! For the sake of us all let's hope it does come out correct when it's written and that it receives the congressional support it requires.
But I for one think it is good news.

266 Sharmuta  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:34:04pm

re: #259 Mich-again

If Obama is a smoker, I'd say he's a Newport kind of guy. Or maybe Virginia Slims.

No way does he smoke the red cowboy killers.

You know he's smokin' menthols. Gag.

267 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:34:34pm

re: #263 faraway

They want to talk about the GOP VP candidate?

This from a party that selected a man (Biden) that received less votes than another Presidential candidate that admitted he believed in UFOs.

The Dems seem desperate to make Governor Palin look bad at any and all costs. They are afraid of her.

268 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:34:35pm

re: #264 Killian Bundy

His lips are blue in that photo as well. Weirod.

269 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:04pm

He has a smoke with his morning waffle.

270 nyc redneck  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:45pm

re: #261 Typicalwhitey

you're the best.

271 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:49pm

re: #235 x-wing
Hey, congrats on your 100th post!

272 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:35:58pm

re: #268 Mich-again

His lips are blue in that photo as well. Weirod.

You got something against the blues?

273 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:36:30pm

re: #259 Mich-again

If Obama is a smoker, I'd say he's a Newport kind of guy. Or maybe Virginia Slims.

No way does he smoke the red cowboy killers.


All the respectable brothas smoke Kools.

/tried them before, those things will kill you

274 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:36:38pm

I'm sorry but smoking is nas-tay!

275 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:36:58pm

BTW, I inhaled once.

276 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:37:01pm

re: #262 HelloDare

Catch him with a cigarette holder and he's lose the election.

Watch what you wish for. FDR used a cigarette holder.

277 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:37:05pm

re: #239 Moe Katz
Uh, what the heck is "cyanotic" ?

278 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:37:28pm

screw the duck article tell me more about Obama and corruption charges.
I know where my priority's are.


has anyone else noticed that when you use the 'check spelling' button on "Obama" the list of possible alternatives are: Fraud, Phony, Fake, and Flatulent."?

279 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:37:33pm

In this photo Obama's lips are not blue at all. Is it lipstick? Is it photoshopped? Or is there a medical reason. Really this is pretty odd.

280 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:37:37pm

Harry Reid will probably say that they came to an agreement despite the meddling of John McCain.

281 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:37:43pm

This is Obama smoking during the break at the debate

282 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:38:02pm

re: #241 Killian Bundy
Amen to that one!

283 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:38:05pm

re: #277 realwest

Uh, what the heck is "cyanotic" ?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

284 pat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:38:54pm

I like that article. A lot.

285 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:38:59pm

BTW, I thought liberals hated smoking. So their hero is a pack-a-day smoker, how does that jive?

286 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:07pm

re: #279 Mich-again

His blue lips are really bugging you, aren't they?!

287 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:24pm

re: #109 faraway

I can't finish this joke and I need help:)

What's the difference between Obama and a duck?

Viaduct?

288 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:49pm

This manly smoking pic just came out from the Obama campaign.

289 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:39:53pm

re: #271 realwest

Hey, congrats on your 100th post!

Thanks, amazing what a little beer can do. I didn't even think I was close to that.

290 pat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:40:48pm

re: #285 EIDE_Interface

The only bad smokers, drinkers, sex criminals, perverts bad hair women, are conservatives.

291 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:41:09pm

re: #281 faraway

This is Obama smoking during the break at the debate

No, I think he's grooving to some Frank Marshall Davis commie poetry in that photo.

292 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:41:31pm

re: #255 pink freud

"Another actuarial company has already said McCain has a 92 percent chance of surviving through two terms, and said he has another 8.4 years left in good health.

“I’ve seen remarks that (McCain) has a 1 in 3 probability of dying. That’s greatly overstated,” said James Brooks, a senior actuary at the Atlanta-based Bragg’s, a company that specializes in predicting mortality and morbidity.

Obama has a 98.5 percent chance of surviving his first term, and is expected to have another 21.9 years of healthy living, according to Brooks."

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

I remember back in 1980, back when Larry King was just late night radio hack, King was yammering on about Reagans age (I think he was 68). A caller pointed out that actuarially, it was more likely than not that Reagan would live long enough to serve 2 terms. King dismissed that as "absurd". Reagan lived another 24 years.

I remember this 28 years later. It pissed me off.

293 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:41:43pm

re: #273 x-wing

All the respectable brothas smoke Kools.

When I was working my way through college I worked midnights for a very long year at a gas station. And back then at least that statement was about 100% true. I'm not so sure if it still applies. Been a long time.

I can not tell you how many times I had someone drop a bunch of money on the counter and say give me a pack of Kools and put the rest on Super.

294 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:17pm

re: #288 faraway

This manly smoking pic just came out from the Obama campaign.

He looks rather gay in that shot.

295 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:24pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Artist's Conceptual picture.

And you thought Hitchcock's Birds was scary.

Looks like a pelican from hell. A hellican.

296 pink freud  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:38pm

re: #258 HelloDare

Thanks for the link.

You're welcome! Coincidentally, I ran across this earlier today. : )

297 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:42:59pm

This is Obama's earliest pic of him smoking. Exercising his right to smoke.

298 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:43:22pm

re: #294 HelloDare

He looks rather gay in that shot.


It's the Brokeback Mountain association in your mind and mine; I had the same impression.

299 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:43:27pm

re: #294 HelloDare

He looks rather gay in that shot.

Brokeback Obama

300 Macker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:43:59pm

re: #294 HelloDare

He looks rather gay in that shot.

Does that mean he can't quit Brokeback Campaign?

301 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:44:05pm

re: #296 pink freud

You're welcome! Coincidentally, I ran across this earlier today. : )

Ran across what?

302 BigJohn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:44:06pm

re: #288 faraway

This manly smoking pic just came out from the Obama campaign.

Is that Obama in Blazing Saddles?

303 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:44:20pm

re: #286 Cartman

His blue lips are really bugging you, aren't they?!

If someones hair, skin or eye color changed dramatically it would make me wonder why. Same thing here.

304 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:44:55pm

re: #273 x-wing

All the respectable brothas smoke Kools.

/tried them before, those things will kill you

Eddie Murphy in 'Trading places': " Who been puttin them Kools out on my rug?"

305 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:45:09pm

Who was the last POTUS that smoked? (cigarettes - not cigars, tobacco, not medicinal herbs)

306 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:45:09pm

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/sic 'em!

307 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:45:16pm

re: #297 faraway

Oh, that's just "non-viable tissue". Must have been PhotoShopped. ;)

308 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:45:59pm

re: #293 Mich-again

When I was working my way through college I worked midnights for a very long year at a gas station. And back then at least that statement was about 100% true. I'm not so sure if it still applies. Been a long time.

I can not tell you how many times I had someone drop a bunch of money on the counter and say give me a pack of Kools and put the rest on Super.


Yeah, it was the '80 s for me in the Army when Kools were cool. BTW what is Super?

309 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:46:07pm

re: #303 Mich-again

I know. I was just razzin' ya.

310 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:46:13pm

re: #271 realwest
I agree, completely and I'm really glad to see all the support she's received from us out here, too!

311 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:46:30pm

Blue lips because of his blue blood.

Blue blood:

1. Noble or aristocratic descent.
2. A member of the aristocracy.

312 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:07pm

By the way----is there and LGF party line on smoking in a car with kids. I think that sucks because I had it done to me and I developed allergies. This was before we knew any better. I hope the freedom to make your kid inhale smoke isn't a political shibboleth around here.

313 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:07pm

re: #273 x-wing

All the respectable brothas smoke Kools.

/tried them before, those things will kill you

Man, those are hardcore.

314 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:22pm

re: #306 Killian Bundy

Hot darn -- Glad to hear the Reps are finally unleashing their 529s

315 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:31pm

re: #308 x-wing

Yeah, it was the '80 s for me in the Army when Kools were cool. BTW what is Super?

Super Unleaded. the favorite fuel for the piece of shit car.

316 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:37pm

re: #302 BigJohn

Is that Obama in Blazing Saddles?

If The Big Zero was in Blazing Saddles, he'd be playing the part of Taggart.

317 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:41pm

re: #279 Mich-again
Hey Mich - check out the pin he's wearing in that photo!

318 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:44pm
319 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:47:59pm

re: #308 x-wing

Yeah, it was the '80 s for me in the Army when Kools were cool. BTW what is Super?

The grade of gas that they're going to buy with the rest of the money.

320 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:48:19pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

The flood must have wiped them out.

/

How could it? They're waterbirds. Something else got to them.
The mngwa, maybe.

321 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:48:25pm

re: #312 Moe Katz

By the way----is there and LGF party line on smoking in a car with kids. I think that sucks because I had it done to me and I developed allergies. This was before we knew any better. I hope the freedom to make your kid inhale smoke isn't a political shibboleth around here.

My answer is don't do it. I always want to slap people when I see them smoking with kids in the car.

322 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:02pm

re: #319 victor_yugo

The grade of gas that they're going to buy with the rest of the money.

It's called Premium now. Typically 91 or 92 octane.

323 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:16pm

re: #315 Mich-again

Super Unleaded. the favorite fuel for the piece of shit car.

WTF they need 93 octane in a Pinto for anyway? Not like it's gonna run any better anyway. Maybe flare up better when tapped from the rear, but still....

324 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:31pm

re: #321 Ward Cleaver

My answer is don't do it. I always want to slap people when I see them smoking with kids in the car.

Yeah, it's illegal in some jurisdictions in Canada. It makes me so angry to see it.

325 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:34pm

re: #312 Moe Katz

-is there and LGF party line on smoking in a car with kids.

I won't speak for anyone here but myself, but I say if you smoke in the car with kids you are a real jerk. A bit less of a jerk if your window is down.

326 jonathan1984  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:40pm

OT, but: bailout's back on.

327 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:54pm

re: #283 Moe Katz
Uh, thanks!

328 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:49:59pm

re: #270 nyc redneck

Thank you, you are sweet to say that!

Oops, I just faxed my letter to the RNC!

This is too much damn fun!

329 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:02pm

re: #306 Killian Bundy

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/sic 'em!

The NRA Politcal Victory fund has $40 Million to unleash on Obambi in the next month. And I just sent them another benjamin.

330 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:15pm

re: #279 Mich-again

In this photo Obama's lips are not blue at all. Is it lipstick? Is it photoshopped? Or is there a medical reason. Really this is pretty odd.

Is that red spot on his lip cancerous or just herpes?

331 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:23pm

Wow, Mozilla just released Firefox 3.0.3 (3.0.2 was just released the other day).

Here's the scoop on 3.0.3:

Firefox 3.0.3 contains the following changes:

* Fixed a problem where users were unable to retrieve saved passwords or save new passwords (bug 454708)

332 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:24pm

re: #325 Mich-again

I won't speak for anyone here but myself, but I say if you smoke in the car with kids you are a real jerk. A bit less of a jerk if your window is down.

Oh, good. I've had two replies without being called a moonbat.

333 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:34pm

re: #323 Honorary Yooper

Pinto's are great to put 429 engines in.

334 BigJohn  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:50:42pm

re: #312 Moe Katz

By the way----is there and LGF party line on smoking in a car with kids. I think that sucks because I had it done to me and I developed allergies. This was before we knew any better. I hope the freedom to make your kid inhale smoke isn't a political shibboleth around here.

Both of my parents smoked in the car when I was young. That was in the 60's. My father smoked Camel no filters. I have never smoked and I don't have allergies. Who Knows?

335 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:51:00pm

re: #323 Honorary Yooper

WTF they need 93 octane in a Pinto for anyway? Not like it's gonna run any better anyway. Maybe flare up better when tapped from the rear, but still....

Actually, higher octane burns slower. You don't want to use it in high altitudes.

/85 octane in the Rockies FTW!

336 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:51:01pm

re: #317 realwest

Hey Mich - check out the pin he's wearing in that photo!

My eyes aren't that good. What is it. An ACORN?

337 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:51:18pm

re: #322 CyanSnowHawk

It's called Premium now. Typically 91 or 92 octane.

Man, I'm old. We used to call it Ethyl.

338 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:08pm

re: #329 Colonel Panik

The NRA Politcal Victory fund has $40 Million to unleash on Obambi in the next month. And I just sent them another benjamin.

I've done the same. Twice in the past six weeks.

339 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:15pm

re: #318 faraway

This is Obama smoking in his wild teen years.

I hope that on November 5th we can say to him, "Bong Voyage!".

340 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:15pm

I wonder if this is how Obama punishes his daughters when they misbehave?

"If you don't simmer down, I'm not going to let you have an abortion when you get older."

341 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:47pm

re: #332 Moe Katz

Oh, good. I've had two replies without being called a moonbat.

Moonbat.

342 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:52:52pm

re: #334 BigJohn

Both of my parents smoked in the car when I was young. That was in the 60's. My father smoked Camel no filters. I have never smoked and I don't have allergies. Who Knows?

Well it won't cause allergies in all cases, no one is claiming that. But it's great that you don't smoke. It was common behavior back in the 60's, unfortunately. I can also remember college campuses with ashtrays everywhere.

343 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:53:13pm

re: #333 faraway

Pinto's are great to put 429 engines in.

I saw a 427 dropped into a Vega. The guy never did get the cooling problems fixed. No way to fit a radiator that could handle the V8 into that car. I had the same problem with a 351 in a '65 Ranchero.

344 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:53:16pm

re: #313 Ward Cleaver

Man, those are hardcore.

It does make one wonder if people that smoke them may have a death wish, and throw in the Private Stock beer, good lord.

345 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:53:44pm

re: #341 Cartman

Moonbat.

I asked for that, didn't I?

346 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:53:51pm

re: #337 Mel Lono

Man, I'm old. We used to call it Ethyl.

That was back when it had tetraethyl lead in it. No point in calling it ethyl anymore. They used to add tetraethyl lead to boost the octane. Now refiners are better at cracking the gasoline and adding oxygenates that boost the octane.

347 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:08pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Artist's Conceptual picture.

And you thought Hitchcock's Birds was scary.

TURU!

348 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:17pm

re: #279 Mich-again

In this photo Obama's lips are not blue at all. Is it lipstick? Is it photoshopped? Or is there a medical reason. Really this is pretty odd.

Medical reasons for blue lips.

349 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:19pm

re: #337 Mel Lono

Man, I'm old. We used to call it Ethyl.

Or Hi-Test. Wow I remember the gas pumps that had the three marbles that tumbled in a round little window. I remember them at Gulf stations.

350 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:22pm

re: #337 Mel Lono

Man, I'm old. We used to call it Ethyl.

Ethyl? Didn't she see the streaker in that song?

351 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:48pm

re: #333 faraway

Pinto's are great to put 429 engines in.

Yeah, but ya gotta hollow out the entire car to mount it.

352 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:51pm

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
Acorn is out.....THANK YOU House Republicans and John McCain!

353 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:54:53pm

re: #342 Moe Katz

I can also remember college campuses with ashtrays everywhere.

Look at the 12V power outlets in your car. Those used to be for cigarette lighters. How long till the car companies change them to USB ports?

354 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:16pm

re: #310 realwest
Dure: #270 nyc redneck

'oh - that was meant for #270 nyc redneck! Waaay tired here!

355 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:22pm

re: #343 CyanSnowHawk

I drove a Vega with a 350 tunnel ram once.

356 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:29pm

re: #340 HelloDare

I wonder if this is how Obama punishes his daughters when they misbehave?

"If you don't simmer down, I'm not going to let you have an abortion when you get older."

ohh thats totally inappropriate
Mr. Sarcasm

357 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:33pm

re: #345 Moe Katz

I asked for that, didn't I?

Yep. ;)

358 pat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:35pm

Obama: If you don't say 'middle class' in a speech than you cannot be elected.
This is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard from a politician since Kerry's 'Magic Hat".
Moronic. Totally moronic.

359 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:55:36pm

As of this coming Monday, I will be cigarette free for 1 month. It's been a breeze. Only drawback is that I am ingesting M&M's intravenously, but I should be able to break that habit next.

360 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:56:02pm

Anybody from a hotly contested state seeing Rep 529 ads, besides the one just mentioned?
Here in AZ ... nada.

361 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:56:03pm

re: #353 Mich-again

Look at the 12V power outlets in your car. Those used to be for cigarette lighters. How long till the car companies change them to USB ports?

That's a very good point.

362 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:56:07pm

re: #344 x-wing

It does make one wonder if people that smoke them may have a death wish, and throw in the Private Stock beer, good lord.

How about people who smoke them haven't been able to stop, no matter how many times they've tried?

If only it were as easy as "just throw the damn things away".

363 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:56:26pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

I will be cigarette free for 1 month.

More money for Beer!

364 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:56:43pm

re: #347 Colonel Panik

TURU!

Ahh, the poor devil going down into the tar pits along with his Turu.

/after race nails it with the bazooka

365 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:56:59pm

re: #355 faraway

I drove a Vega with a 350 tunnel ram once.

Awesome looking car. Too bad it rusted to nothing if you looked at it wrong.

366 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:57:00pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

As of this coming Monday, I will be cigarette free for 1 month. It's been a breeze. Only drawback is that I am ingesting M&M's intravenously, but I should be able to break that habit next.

Hey, congrats, Sir Walter.

367 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:57:34pm

re: #363 Mich-again

More money for Beer!

No, I gave up drinking two years ago.

368 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:57:36pm

re: #347 Colonel Panik

TURU!

Them's good eatin'!

/jed clampett

369 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:57:41pm

re: #346 Honorary Yooper

Had a '71 911 T Targa. Last dual carb model Porsche made. No fuel injection, no computers. Loved that car. Never should have sold it.

370 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:57:42pm

re: #366 hermeneutics

Hey, congrats, Sir Walter.

Sir Walter is an ironic moniker for him considering the subject.

371 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:19pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

As of this coming Monday, I will be cigarette free for 1 month. It's been a breeze. Only drawback is that I am ingesting M&M's intravenously, but I should be able to break that habit next.

Hang in there Walter! You can do it!

372 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:27pm

re: #370 Moe Katz

Sir Walter is an ironic moniker for him considering the subject.

oops

373 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:29pm

re: #353 Mich-again

Look at the 12V power outlets in your car. Those used to be for cigarette lighters. How long till the car companies change them to USB ports?

Too many devices use them for electricity. You're more likely to see USB ports added, rather than simply replace anything. Now, they also are adding standard two-prong outlets in some cars as well.

374 joekowalski247  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:30pm

my lizard offspring woke up, gotta go goodnite.

375 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:45pm

re: #370 Moe Katz

Sir Walter is an ironic moniker for him considering the subject.

I'll say!

376 faraway  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:58:47pm

I can see into the future. I see Obama's first day in the White House.

377 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:59:03pm

re: #372 hermeneutics

oops

I'm sure he'll raleigh his forces to the challenge.

378 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 10:59:07pm

re: #370 Moe Katz

Sir Walter is an ironic moniker for him considering the subject.

"?." Or is that some reference to Reliegh (sp?)

379 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:00pm

re: #305 Opilio

Who was the last POTUS that smoked? (cigarettes - not cigars, tobacco, not medicinal herbs)

Why, I'm glad you asked that!

After poking around on the Intertubes, I found the following tidbit of potentially true information:

A cigarette burning from the end of a holder became the trademark for Franklin Roosevelt. Warren Harding, who utilized every tobacco product, also found no problem lighting up whenever and wherever the urge struck him.

Howard Taft kicked the cigarette habit after his election as president. Dwight Eisenhower who rolled his own, sustained four packs a day, but quit cold turkey before his presidency. Lyndon Johnson used three packs a day until his heart attack forced an end to the habit.

380 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:14pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

"?." Or is that some reference to Reliegh (sp?)

exactly

381 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:25pm

re: #361 Moe Katz

Similar to how the diameter of the space shuttle rocket boosters were limited by the width of 2 horses. Long story.

382 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:37pm

re: #353 Mich-again

Look at the 12V power outlets in your car. Those used to be for cigarette lighters. How long till the car companies change them to USB ports?

Never happen. USB port can't handle the power draw for the accessories that people want to plug in now. They may offer both, but unless they come up with a new power port, the "cigarette lighter" port will be with us for a long time.

383 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:43pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

"?." Or is that some reference to Reliegh (sp?)

I've heard smoking a pipe isn't nearly as harmful as cigarettes ... true?

384 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:00:58pm

Caller: "Do you have Sir Walter Raleigh in a can?"

Pharmacist: "Why yes, we do."

Caller: "Well, ya better let him out, cuz he can't breathe!"

/hehehehe...click

385 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:33pm

re: #183 joekowalski247

Attention all lizardoids what can we learn conclusively from this article (which by the way has NO photographic evidence) tell us?

#1 Scientists found ONE fossil (specifically the skull)
#2 Where the fossil was found.
#3 The Fossil is bird like with teeth and is the size of a small plane.

What we don't know from the article...
#1 Where there more than one of these creatures? (be honest does the article say there was more than one fossil found?)
#2 How old the fossil is? (yes the article say 50 million years but how do we know that without documentation of index fossil or chemical dating results?)
#3 Who found the fossil? (is this person an objectionable inquisitor? or someone who is financially compensated for making such a discovery?)

Please Don't get me wrong I"m not Disputing the claim of the find.

But if this Article was posted on some Moonbat site it I have in some faith that it would be a little more investigated than this?

I Welcome any feedback please..

LiveScience is a pretty reputable online science magazine.

386 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:39pm

re: #356 joekowalski247

ohh thats totally inappropriate

It was The Fascist Tool Barack Obama who quipped about a baby being a woman's punishment.

387 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:56pm

re: #381 Mich-again

Similar to how the diameter of the space shuttle rocket boosters were limited by the width of 2 horses. Long story.

Because of rail car widths, which in turn have to do with the dimensions of Roman roads? Is that the history you refer to?

388 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:01:59pm

re: #336 Mich-again
Mine are worse - but it's not the American Flag -sorta looks like "his" seal or something.

389 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:02:34pm

re: #326 jonathan1984

OT, but: bailout's back on.

KLo at NROnline says the Acorn provision is GONE

390 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:38pm

re: #364 Ward Cleaver

Ahh, the poor devil going down into the tar pits along with his Turu.

/after race nails it with the bazooka

My favorite Johnny Quest episode, although "Quetong Missile Mystery" is a close second.

When I was about 5 years old I was both terrified and elated by the pterodactyl's shriek. I'd love to know how the sound effects guys created that one.

Johnny Quest was one of the first victims of moonbat television censors. They said it was "too violent" for kids. God forbid, Doctor Quest actually let Johnny and Hadji shoot real guns at crocodiles!

Later, the claims of racism were thrown at it, although ironically it was the first children's TV series with a sympathetic non-white character (Hadji, who from his turban style is most likely a Sikh.)

391 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:40pm

re: #360 hermeneutics

Anybody from a hotly contested state seeing Rep 529 ads, besides the one just mentioned?
Here in AZ ... nada.


I'm in Pa. haven't seen any yet.

/waiting...waiting

392 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:44pm

re: #389 SpartanWoman

KLo at NROnline says the Acorn provision is GONE

That's great news about ACORN, but the thought of the government controlling any more of our "free" markets is frightening.

393 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:48pm

Little Bill Daggett: [talking to English Bob, and refering to a book] That you here, Bob, on the cover? "The Duck of Death?"
W.W. Beauchamp: Duke. It's the Duke. "Duke of Death."
Little Bill Daggett: [correcting W.W Beauchamp] Eyewitnesses?
W.W. Beauchamp: Yes, sir.
Little Bill Daggett: Like the Duck himself, I guess.
W.W. Beauchamp: The Duke.
Little Bill Daggett: Duck, I says.

394 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:03:56pm

re: #387 Moe Katz

Because of rail car widths, which in turn have to do with the dimensions of Roman roads? Is that the history you refer to?

Yes, it is the history he refers to.

Now let's delve into why some people drive on the left, and most of the rest drive on the right....

395 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:09pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton
ROFL!

396 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:13pm

I have been leaving comments at the WaPo site swiping at them for not telling the truth about the subprime mess

397 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:15pm

re: #387 Moe Katz

Because of rail car widths, which in turn have to do with the dimensions of Roman roads? Is that the history you refer to?

Yep. And that is the same sort of reason the 12V power outlets in cars are the shape of cigarette lighters even though so many of us don't use them for lighters anymore.

398 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:16pm

re: #391 x-wing

I'm in Pa. haven't seen any yet.

/waiting...waiting

eastern or western PA, if you don't mind?

399 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:04:57pm

re: #383 hermeneutics

I've heard smoking a pipe isn't nearly as harmful as cigarettes ... true?

I don't know. I stopped because the doc said it wasn't good for my blood pressure, which I have been trying to stablize for a number of years now. I smoked 2-3 packs a day.

A pipe wouldn't be a good substitute for me, since it's the nicotine and it's effect on my heart rate and blood pressure that is the issue.

My lungs, even after 40 years of smoking, are amazingly clear. I had no breathing problems, hacking, or all that common lung stuff.

It was simply I needed to stop my intake of nicotine. That's why I didn't even try using the patch or gum, I just went cold turkey (same as I did the booze 2 years ago).

400 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:05:20pm

re: #394 Honorary Yooper

Yes, it is the history he refers to.

Now let's delve into why some people drive on the left, and most of the rest drive on the right....

I think I used to know that but I've forgotten. Do remind us.

401 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:05:26pm

re: #392 hermeneutics

That's great news about ACORN, but the thought of the government controlling any more of our "free" markets is frightening.

The markets and banks weren't free for a while now. Repeal the CRA

402 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:06:27pm

re: #367 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter - I'm really glad to hear it's been two years. Just keep going one day at a time. 5 years for me and I still want one after eatin, after sex, while reading while debating, LOL! But I just won't and don't give in.
Seriously, congratulations!

403 HelloDare  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:06:41pm

Katheryn Lopez of NRO is reporting that the ACORN provision, giving 20% of potential profits to the group convicted of election fraud in so many states is NOT IN THIS DEAL

404 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:06pm

Ebben? Ne andrò lontana

Just listen to it. Trust me.

405 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:07pm

re: #401 SpartanWoman

The markets and banks weren't free for a while now. Repeal the CRA

CRA -- Community Reinvestment Act?

406 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:24pm

re: #384 Cartman

Caller: "Do you have Sir Walter Raleigh in a can?"

Pharmacist: "Why yes, we do."

Caller: "Well, ya better let him out, cuz he can't breathe!"

/hehehehe...click

I always thought that was Prince Albert.

407 middlecon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:29pm

Anyone seen this video?

Alot of good stuff in their about how the conventional roles were reversed in 'regulation' of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The Dems were anti-regulation and the Republicans pro-regulation. Nothing earth shattering but probably opposed to what most people would think.

408 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:50pm

re: #406 Opilio

I always thought that was Prince Albert.

Yeah, me too.

409 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:57pm

ACORN needs to be dismantled, and its activist minions sent packing.

410 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:07:58pm

re: #384 Cartman
That is SO OLD I remember hearing it when I was a kidlet!
How old didja say you were?!?

411 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:03pm

re: #403 HelloDare

Katheryn Lopez of NRO is reporting that the ACORN provision, giving 20% of potential profits to the group convicted of election fraud in so many states is NOT IN THIS DEAL

Hopefully McCain helped the GOP weed out some of the pork from this sty of a bill

412 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:12pm

re: #390 Colonel Panik

Johnny Quest was one of the first victims of moonbat television censors. They said it was "too violent" for kids. God forbid, Doctor Quest actually let Johnny and Hadji shoot real guns at crocodiles!

Now I know why Johnny Q has is the last cartoon not to made into a movie yet! It's perfectly clear. The Hulk is a perfectly loveable character, but we can't have white boy and a Hindu kicking ass on bad guys.

413 merrytexas  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:14pm

Headline: "McCain Savages Obama on Iraq to edge ahead in television debate"

Looks like someone was impressed with McCain last night.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

414 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:16pm

re: #406 Opilio

I always thought that was Prince Albert.

I KNEW something was wrong with that joke.

415 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:40pm
416 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:08:45pm

re: #392 hermeneutics

That's great news about ACORN, but the thought of the government controlling any more of our "free" markets is frightening.

It sure as hell beats DOW 8000.

/if you think of it that way $700 billion looks like pocket change

417 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:17pm

re: #402 realwest

Hey Walter - I'm really glad to hear it's been two years. Just keep going one day at a time. 5 years for me and I still want one after eatin, after sex, while reading while debating, LOL! But I just won't and don't give in. Seriously, congratulations!

Thanks. I really have had no desire for a smoke. But that's just me. When I say I'm finally going to do something, I just do it, and it's normally not a big problem.

418 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:20pm

re: #412 Mel Lono

Now I know why Johnny Q has is the last cartoon not to made into a movie yet! It's perfectly clear. The Hulk is a perfectly loveable character, but we can't have white boy and a Hindu kicking ass on bad guys.

I loved Johnny Quest as a child. Race Bannen was a babe

419 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:20pm

re: #406 Opilio

re: #408 Moe Katz

Maybe it was. Tough crowd...

420 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:46pm

re: #397 Mich-again

Yep. And that is the same sort of reason the 12V power outlets in cars are the shape of cigarette lighters even though so many of us don't use them for lighters anymore.

Hell, most modern cars don't even have ashtrays anymore.

421 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:09:51pm

re: #413 merrytexas

Headline: "McCain Savages Obama on Iraq to edge ahead in television debate"

Looks like someone was impressed with McCain last night.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Savages? Those racist Sons-of-...

/

422 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:10:00pm

re: #409 Cartman

Is there an anti-ACORN organization? Meaning, one that acts to insure integrity of voter registration?

423 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:10:51pm

Gimme a break. Sir Walter Raleigh was also pipe tobacco that came in a can. Sheesh.

424 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:10:54pm

re: #419 Cartman

re: #408 Moe Katz

Maybe it was. Tough crowd...

Maybe they tell it your way in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan....

425 realwest  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:11:02pm

Well all y'all I gotta go get some sleep now!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Goodnight, all.

426 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:11:46pm

I really don't understand why the Reps aren't sitting on their hands, waiting for Pelosi and others to implode. She's desperate for cover and wants the Reps and blue-doggie dems to smile and proclaim the bill a success. So why give it to her?

I wish they'd demand a stripped down, concise, laissez-faire solution to this problem. A private, not public, solution.

427 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:11:52pm

re: #398 hermeneutics

eastern or western PA, if you don't mind?


South Cental , York to be specific. Twenty miles south of Harrisburg.

I don't watch alot of regular t.v., but even Fox News should be showing these in my area, but nuthin.

428 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:11:55pm

re: #425 realwest

Goodnight, Realwest, sleep well.

429 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:03pm

re: #423 Cartman

Gimme a break. Sir Walter Raleigh was also pipe tobacco that came in a can. Sheesh.

Curse Sir Walter Raleigh; he was such a stupid git!

430 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:05pm

re: #416 Killian Bundy

It sure as hell beats DOW 8000.

/if you think of it that way $700 billion looks like pocket change

I'm not convinced that this bailout will work. I guess we had to try but rewarding bad behavior always leads to more bad behavior.

431 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:06pm

re: #384 Cartman

Caller: "Do you have Sir Walter Raleigh in a can?"

Pharmacist: "Why yes, we do."

Caller: "Well, ya better let him out, cuz he can't breathe!"

/hehehehe...click

The updated politically correct version:

Caller: "Do you have Sir Walter Raleigh in a can?"

Pharmacist: "Why yes, we do."

Caller: "Well, keep that evil white colonialist oppressor in there until he suffocates."

432 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:17pm

Good night Real!

433 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:19pm

Hey Lizards! It was hot in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland yesterday. Right now, it is dark.

Can't sleep, decided to catch-up on some reading, but I'm not awake enough for that. So, you get me.

How is everyone and what are we talking about?

434 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:31pm

re: #422 ggt

Well, if there is one, it sure as hell doesn't involve the Donks.

435 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:12:33pm

re: #420 Colonel Panik

Hell, most modern cars don't even have ashtrays anymore.

When I bought my Escape in '04 it came with an ashtray that fit into one of the cup holders.

436 Salamantis  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:13:10pm

I can't get my spinoff links to work, so I'm posting this in here and reporting it.

A biologist reviews an evolution textbook from the ID camp
By John Timmer
[Link: arstechnica.com...]

The politics of exploration
Ars book reviews typically focus on works for the general public that we consider significant and insightful. But today we're making an exception: the work in question is meant for school children, and it's an atrociously bad book. So why review it? Because, unfortunately, it may well turn out to be very significant. The leading lights of the Intelligent Design Movement, the Discovery Institute, have written this textbook on evolution, and they are doing everything they can to make sure it gets into schools.

In response to a column I wrote a few months back, one of the authors of the text, called Explore Evolution, kindly sent me a copy. What follows is not a comprehensive examination of the information contained in the text (which would require more text than EE itself), but rather a summary of the history and politics that make the book significant, and my own perspective as a biologist on how that context produced a text that's wildly inappropriate for use in a science classroom.

This doesn't mean that I won't mention the scientific evidence that's referenced in EE, but I generally won't delve into it in extensive detail. For the most part, extensive details aren't actually essential to understanding the problems with EE. So, with that caveat, we'll do as the Discovery Institute has, and start with the politics.

As they, whoever they are, say: Read The Whole Thing.

437 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:13:21pm

re: #416 Killian Bundy

It sure as hell beats DOW 8000.

/if you think of it that way $700 billion looks like pocket change

Okay, I'll bite -- what's so wrong with DOW 8000? If the markets are fluffy and overvalued, let them sink to their "natural" level ... no?

438 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:13:36pm

re: #431 Colonel Panik

The updated politically correct version:

Caller: "Do you have Sir Walter Raleigh in a can?"

Pharmacist: "Why yes, we do."

Caller: "Well, keep that evil white colonialist oppressor in there until he suffocates."

LOL. clever

439 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:14:12pm

re: #427 x-wing

South Cental , York to be specific. Twenty miles south of Harrisburg.

I don't watch alot of regular t.v., but even Fox News should be showing these in my area, but nuthin.

Oh, you must be a bitter, gun-toting bible-thumper.

440 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:14:29pm

re: #418 SpartanWoman

I loved Johnny Quest as a child. Race Bannen was a babe

I think Jonny's mom thought so too. Jonny looks a lot like Race. Like Dr. Quest?, not so much.

/jus' sayin'

441 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:01pm

re: #437 hermeneutics

Okay, I'll bite -- what's so wrong with DOW 8000? If the markets are fluffy and overvalued, let them sink to their "natural" level ... no?

Thye probably will anyway and we will have spent 700bil for Pelosi's career. This will do little to address bursting of the housing bubble.

442 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:03pm

re: #434 Cartman

I was thinking, there if there is one, perhaps that is where we should be contributing money. I think election results can often boil down to fraud. You know how that works in Chicago. Now, they are trying to take it nation-wide.

443 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:12pm

re: #397 Mich-again

Yep. And that is the same sort of reason the 12V power outlets in cars are the shape of cigarette lighters even though so many of us don't use them for lighters anymore.

Do new cars still come with cigarette lighters in any of the lighter sockets? I'm not one to haunt new-car showrooms, you know.

Back in the day, you could get a gadget called a "Draw-Matic" lighter, that not only lit your cigarette, but took a drag on it, using engine vacuum, so that you got it well-lit and ready to smoke, and didn't have to mess around with a red-hot coil of wire while tooling down the road.

444 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:35pm

re: #437 hermeneutics

Okay, I'll bite -- what's so wrong with DOW 8000? If the markets are fluffy and overvalued, let them sink to their "natural" level ... no?

/it's also called global economic collapse, sorry, I'm not really up for that, but that's just me

445 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:49pm

My favorite prank call story:

I was visiting my parents. The phone rang, and because I was closest to it, I went ahead and answered. On the other end was a kid, about 8 maybe:

"Your refrigerator's running down the street, you better go catch it!", followed by lots of giggling.

I said, "No, you did that wrong. You're supposed to ask me if my refrigerator is running, and when I say 'yes,' then you say I'd better catch it."

Stunned silence.

I said, "Why don't we pretend I just picked up the phone, so you can try it out?"

Kid said, "......oooookay....." Totally flummoxed.

I then said, "Hello?" and we did the routine. I congratulated him on a job well done and hung up the phone.

Then I saw my mother, who was staring thousands of tiny daggers at me.

I simply shrugged my shoulders and said, "Hey, I'd rather him doing that than vandalizing something with spray-paint."

446 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:15:53pm

re: #427 x-wing

South Cental , York to be specific. Twenty miles south of Harrisburg.

I don't watch alot of regular t.v., but even Fox News should be showing these in my area, but nuthin.

Perhaps you live in the more conservative part of Pennsylvania and the ads aren't targeted to your region. We can hope.

Of course, they may be waiting until after the last debate to unleash the barrage.

447 Mel Lono  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:16:12pm

re: #440 Opilio

I think Jonny's mom thought so too. Jonny looks a lot like Race. Like Dr. Quest?, not so much.

/jus' sayin'

Sounds like the begining of a plot line.... Wonder who's got the rights?

448 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:16:22pm

re: #412 Mel Lono

Now I know why Johnny Q has is the last cartoon not to made into a movie yet! It's perfectly clear. The Hulk is a perfectly loveable character, but we can't have white boy and a Hindu kicking ass on bad guys.

No, the "Pockystonis" would get upset.

449 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:16:38pm

re: #443 Alberta Oil Peon

Back in the day, you could get a gadget called a "Draw-Matic" lighter, that not only lit your cigarette, but took a drag on it, using engine vacuum, so that you got it well-lit and ready to smoke, and didn't have to mess around with a red-hot coil of wire while tooling down the road.

Thats pretty funny. I sure don't remember that.

450 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:17:52pm

re: #442 ggt

Oh, it happened in the last election, in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Massive attempts at fraud on the Dem side.

451 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:18:58pm

"En fermant les yeux"

Just listen to this one, too. Trust me.

452 SpartanWoman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:19:14pm

re: #450 Cartman

Oh, it happened in the last election, in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Massive attempts at fraud on the Dem side.

Acorn involved?

453 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:19:22pm

re: #437 hermeneutics

Okay, I'll bite -- what's so wrong with DOW 8000? If the markets are fluffy and overvalued, let them sink to their "natural" level ... no?

Letting it fall there in a chaotic manner would likely cause a lot more suffering than trying to cushion the blow with the buy-out. Public reaction to a rapid correction in the market would exacerbate the problem. WaMu might have survived without the public reaction to the rumors a month ago that they were possibly going to fail.

454 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:20:16pm

re: #450 Cartman

Oh, it happened in the last election, in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Massive attempts at fraud on the Dem side.

And now SecState Jennifer Brunner is doing her damnedest to turn Ohio blue, by flouting the residency laws.

455 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:21:03pm

re: #439 Moe Katz

Oh, you must be a bitter, gun-toting bible-thumper.


HA-HA ,and I vote too.

I would like to see these ads run here because of the stupid un-decides, but me..I don't need no stinking commercials.

456 Colonel Panik  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:21:09pm

re: #443 Alberta Oil Peon

Back in the day, you could get a gadget called a "Draw-Matic" lighter, that not only lit your cigarette, but took a drag on it, using engine vacuum, so that you got it well-lit and ready to smoke, and didn't have to mess around with a red-hot coil of wire while tooling down the road.

Damn, that sounds cool. What was the last model year car you saw that in?

We had a 1964 1/2 Mustang when I was a kid but it didn't have one of those.

Is that a Canadian/British thing that never made it to the states.

457 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:21:25pm

My Rambler in 1968 had a Lit-o-Matic, which was mounted in the very center of the steering wheel column. You put the cigarette in your mouth, and then leaned foward an placed the tip of the cigarette into a little hole on the steering wheel column.

It was a little odd at first, but the trick was to not try to look up at the road while you were trying to light the cigarette. After a while you could hit that little hole the first time, every time.

458 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:21:33pm

re: #452 SpartanWoman

Acorn involved?

I can't say for sure. IIRC the fraud seemed to be instigated from the local grassroots level.

459 hermeneutics  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:21:42pm

re: #453 CyanSnowHawk

Letting it fall there in a chaotic manner would likely cause a lot more suffering than trying to cushion the blow with the buy-out. Public reaction to a rapid correction in the market would exacerbate the problem. WaMu might have survived without the public reaction to the rumors a month ago that they were possibly going to fail.

I'm not convinced that the government can "manage" chaos without injecting variables into the mess with unseen consequences. But perhaps you're right about reducing suffering ... just don't know.

460 Killer Tomato  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:22:42pm

re: #442 ggt

I was thinking, there if there is one, perhaps that is where we should be contributing money. I think election results can often boil down to fraud. You know how that works in Chicago. Now, they are trying to take it nation-wide.

I heard they managed to get Mrs. O'Leary's cow registered.

461 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:22:51pm

re: #455 x-wingI don't need no stinking commercials.


Nope, doesn't sound like you do :)

462 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:22:56pm

re: #424 Moe Katz

Maybe they tell it your way in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan....

My father told that joke to we kids, in Vancouver, B.C., and it was Prince Albert in the can. Dad used to smoke a brand of cigarette called Daily Mail. He just up and quit one day, he said, because of the one smoke of the day he really enjoyed, the very first one. One Sunday morning, he was sitting up in bed reading the paper, and having a smoke. The smoke from his cigarette drifted up under his glasses, and burned his eyes. He stubbed it out, and that was the last one he ever smoked.

463 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:23:16pm

re: #446 hermeneutics

Perhaps you live in the more conservative part of Pennsylvania and the ads aren't targeted to your region. We can hope.

Of course, they may be waiting until after the last debate to unleash the barrage.


Could be. York country Reps. outnumber Dems. almost 3 to 1 . If it wasn't for York city, we'd be Utah.

464 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:23:46pm

Good evening,I see by the thread opening they found the bones of my X mother in law.

465 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:24:24pm

It's 2:30 AM here, and I just heard footsteps in the drive. Time to procure the Benelli?

466 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:20pm

re: #465 Cartman

It's 2:30 AM here, and I just heard footsteps in the drive. Time to procure the Benelli?

Maybe it's Santa?

467 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:25:38pm

re: #47 scrad

You know, I can't help but wonder if at the time these creatures lived, was the density of the atmosphere much higher?

How else could they fly in the air that existed then? Were they made of balsa wood?

II haven't seen anybody do research into this and say, 'hey, the air had to be as thick as soup for them to be able to have sustained flight. Or they had to be made of fiberglass to withstand bad landings.

Because, face it, unless they were able to levitate, they WOULD have a few bad landings. And if that were the case they'd all be dead. No babies.

So maybe I'm missing something here?

Well, flying birds generally have hollow bones, to save on weight. They have lungs that are better adapted to high rates of breathing. The larger birds soar whenever possible, rather than flapping a lot. So, imagine a windy coast, with plenty of updrafts and thermals. Imagine pools rich in fish. With plenty of food, favorable winds, and islands free of land predators for nesting, there's room for birds larger than today's swans and eagles and flamingos and albatross.

The density of the air can't have fluctuated much. It's 80% nitrogen, and nitrogen isn't very prone to bind with the minerals in rock and get leached out of the atmosphere over time. The oxygen concentration is less stable, but when oxygen levels drop, there are fewer fires to bind it to carbon. And when it rises, well, we all remember what happened to the shuttle crew when a spark lit a fire in a 100% oxygen atmosphere.

These birds would have had a big wingspan, but they wouldn't have been flying elephants. They'd have been flimsy, but graceful and cautious at takeoff and landing. Plus, look. Their fossils exist. To get that big, they had to have existed, at nearly that size, for a good long time. Somehow, the duck-and-egg cycle managed to go through many a generation before their luck ran out.

468 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:26:34pm

re: #433 ggt

Hey Lizards! It was hot in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland yesterday. Right now, it is dark.

It was hot yesterday in the Very Far Eastern Suburbs of the Valley of the Sun, but for about 20 minutes it rained and hailed while the Sun shone brightly in the western sky. It was very weird.

469 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:27:16pm

re: #466 Occasional Reader

Maybe it's Santa?

Well, in that case I'll just load his butt with rock salt, tell him he's way early, and send him on his merry way.

470 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:27:57pm

re: #462 Alberta Oil Peon

My father told that joke to we kids, in Vancouver, B.C., and it was Prince Albert in the can. Dad used to smoke a brand of cigarette called Daily Mail. He just up and quit one day, he said, because of the one smoke of the day he really enjoyed, the very first one. One Sunday morning, he was sitting up in bed reading the paper, and having a smoke. The smoke from his cigarette drifted up under his glasses, and burned his eyes. He stubbed it out, and that was the last one he ever smoked.

My father quit smoking cold turkey when his work gave him a stomach ulcer and the doctor told him to stop. I stopped in my late 20's but was smoking sporadically into my mid-30's. I admire these older guys that just said that's it and never took another puff. For me it was the old joke, you know, it's easy to quit smoking, done it dozens of times....

471 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:28:16pm

re: #467 lostlakehiker

we all remember what happened to the shuttle crew when a spark lit a fire in a 100% oxygen atmosphere.

I think you're thinking of Apollo 1.

472 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:28:35pm

re: #469 Cartman

Well, in that case I'll just load his butt with rock salt, tell him he's way early, and send him on his merry way.

Er, why are you still typing? Shouldn't you be checking the fookin' driveway, with Mr. Benelli close by? (Remember. preferred load is #1 buckshot, plated, buffered)

473 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:30:14pm

re: #449 Mich-again

Thats pretty funny. I sure don't remember that.

Ask, and ye shall receive:Draw-Matic lighter.

474 harry catbox  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:31:04pm

Piltdown duck?

475 Moe Katz  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:31:55pm

re: #473 Alberta Oil Peon

Ask, and ye shall receive:Draw-Matic lighter.

Oh, it was an after-market accessory, not original equipment. I wonder if they made any money on those things.

476 Opilio  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:32:01pm

re: #467 lostlakehiker

The density of the air can't have fluctuated much. It's 80% nitrogen, and nitrogen isn't very prone to bind with the minerals in rock and get leached out of the atmosphere over time. The oxygen concentration is less stable, but when oxygen levels drop, there are fewer fires to bind it to carbon. And when it rises, well, we all remember what happened to the shuttle crew Apollo 1 crew when a spark lit a fire in a 100% oxygen atmosphere.

Sorry. Couldn't let that go by.

477 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:32:29pm

re: #459 hermeneutics

I'm not convinced that the government can "manage" chaos without injecting variables into the mess with unseen consequences. But perhaps you're right about reducing suffering ... just don't know.

You are possibly right. I thought there would be a plan voted on and in the initial implementation stage by now, but the labor is taking longer that expected. Meanwhile chaos rages.

I don't know that the buy-out is the best fix for this problem, but I think it may be good enough. Also, given the apparent government culpability in the crisis, buying up the risky loans might be the unspoken government guarantee that was implied when lenders were "encouraged" under threat of discrimination lawsuits to lend to unqualified buyers.

478 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:32:56pm

re: #474 harry catbox

Piltdown duck?

doo dah doo dah

479 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:34:09pm

re: #472 Occasional Reader

I cleared the area, between posts. I like to keep my loads simple - 12 ga./3"/#2 mag.

480 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:35:06pm

re: #475 Moe Katz

Oh, it was an after-market accessory, not original equipment. I wonder if they made any money on those things.

Moe, I think it first appeared as an after-market accessory, but that several manufacturers added it to their accessory line. That was true of a fair number of car gadgets.

481 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:36:56pm

re: #479 Cartman

I cleared the area, between posts. I like to keep my loads simple - 12 ga./3"/#2 mag.

Good. Now go listen to those soul-reconstructing opera gigs I posted a little upthread, it'll do ya good

482 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:38:33pm

re: #481 Occasional Reader

Good. Now go listen to those soul-reconstructing opera gigs I posted a little upthread, it'll do ya good

Opera? Me?

483 LeePro  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:39:22pm

re: #409 Cartman

Oh, dear! ! !

Main page says this comment (Cartman) was entered 3 weeks and 6 days ago!

last comment: Cartman :: 3 weeks, 6 days ago

I must say, you age well, Cartman!
;D

/reported

484 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:10pm

re: #483 LeePro

Oh, dear! ! !

Main page says this comment (Cartman) was entered 3 weeks and 6 days ago!

I must say, you age well, Cartman!
;D

/reported

If not a little quickly.

485 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:10pm

re: #482 Cartman

Opera? Me?

Yes.

486 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:40:45pm

Wondering if you guys have ever seen Jeff Dunham Achmed the Dead Terrorist .I find the video very funny.Hope anyone that has not seen it,does as well.

487 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:41:35pm

re: #486 Oldasdirt

Wondering if you guys have ever seen Jeff Dunham Achmed the Dead Terrorist .I find the video very funny.Hope anyone that has not seen it,does as well.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

He's a favorite around here.

I Keeeeel You!

488 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:41:54pm

re: #483 LeePro

Not sure I understand what you're sayin', there.

489 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:42:14pm

re: #487 CyanSnowHawk

He's a favorite around here.

I Keeeeel You!

Silence!

Oh, and it turns out Achmed was right about Clay Aiken.

490 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:42:24pm

re: #460 Killer Tomato

Cow's yes, Pigs no --especially if they wear lipstick.

491 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:42:40pm

re: #486 Oldasdirt

Wondering if you guys have ever seen Jeff Dunham Achmed the Dead Terrorist .I find the video very funny.Hope anyone that has not seen it,does as well.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

My son showed that to me 2 months ago.. Freakin' hilarious.

/ I kill you

492 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:42:56pm

Gonna go watch it now.

493 pat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:43:02pm

re: #457 Walter L. Newton

My Rambler in 1968 had a Lit-o-Matic, which was mounted in the very center of the steering wheel column. You put the cigarette in your mouth, and then leaned foward an placed the tip of the cigarette into a little hole on the steering wheel column.

It was a little odd at first, but the trick was to not try to look up at the road while you were trying to light the cigarette. After a while you could hit that little hole the first time, every time.

I have known holes like that.

494 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:43:24pm

re: #484 CyanSnowHawk

I had that happen with one of the spin-offs I posted. Same "length of service" It was corrected upon refresh.

Stinky has been playing in the code too much.

495 legalpad  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:44:30pm

re: #432 Typicalwhitey

Hey - just wanted to thank you for your work. It's pretty damned exciting what could come from this. It could be like Dan Rather's last blunder.

496 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:45:10pm

re: #491 x-wing

Sadams mustard gas is no match for Walter's fart..That had me on the floor.

497 ggt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:45:38pm

re: #468 Opilio

We haven't had any real rain since the hurricane's fizzled. We got a lot of residual storms. Just a little taste of what Texas et. al. went thru. Flood waters in parts still have not receded.

498 Occasional Reader  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:45:56pm

re: #482 Cartman

Opera? Me?

Yes. At least listen to the first one I posted. Maria Callas. Look, I'm an atheist, you know that; but if there's a God, this is why He made us.

Good night.

499 LeePro  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:10pm

re: #488 Cartman

On the main page, under each story, Charles lists the last/most recent comment and when it was posted. At the moment that I opened/refreshed the main page, yours was the last comment and it said it was posted "last comment: Cartman :: 3 weeks, 6 days ago"

Not a big deal. Looks fixed now, anyway!
;D

500 lostlakehiker  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:50pm

re: #471 victor_yugo

I think you're thinking of Apollo 1.

Right. My bad.

501 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:46:55pm

Someone kindly 'splain just what it was that I did 3 weeks and 6 days ago?

502 pat  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:47:26pm

re: #72 realwest

It is illegal for every law enforcement officer in every State to announce a specific candidate as being protected. The idiots could be dismissed from office as we speak. The elected official should be brought up on charges.

503 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:48:25pm

re: #501 Cartman

Never mind. Lee has me on the same page, now. ;)

504 x-wing  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:51:31pm

re: #496 Oldasdirt

Sadams mustard gas is no match for Walter's fart..That had me on the floor.


AH-HA-HA-HA

505 LeePro  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:51:47pm

re: #491 x-wing

A year old, but still hilarious! ! !
"You idiot, you don't have an ass!"

506 victor_yugo  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:52:45pm

"What was the last thing that went through your mind?"

"My ass."

507 Cartman  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:53:44pm

Well, the Ambien is starting to cause the font to melt. Spose it's time to hit the rack...

508 William  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:54:53pm

Surprised this doesn't have a thread:

AFP
Sep 27, 2008

Three held as Mohammed book publisher set ablaze

Police arrested three men on Saturday in connection with a fire at the offices of the publisher of a book about the Prophet Mohammed and his child bride.

The men, aged 22, 30 and 40, were arrested in north London under anti-terrorism legislation after the fire on Saturday morning at Gibson Square's offices. Police were also searching four addresses in east London.

Britain's domestic Press Association news agency said some residents, whom it did not identify, reported that the incident may have involved a petrol bomb being pushed through the firm's letterbox.

Gibson Square is responsible for the publication of "The Jewel of Medina" -- a fictional account of the Prophet's relationship with his youngest bride Aisha -- by American author Sherry Jones.

Random House announced last month it had canceled publication of the book in the United States because of fears of violence.

"The Jewel of Medina" was re-released in Serbia earlier this month after being withdrawn in August under pressure from Islamic leaders.

Martin Rynja, publishing director at Gibson Square, earlier this month defended the decision to publish the book, saying that in "an open society there has to be open access to literary works, regardless of fear.

"As an independent publishing company, we feel strongly that we should not be afraid of the consequences of debate," he added.

Gibson Square could not be immediately contacted for comment on Saturday's fire and subsequent arrests.

The firm is known for having published other controversial books such as "Blowing Up Russia" by former KGB agent turned Kremlin critic Alexander Litvinenko.

Litvinenko died in a London hospital in 2006 from radiation poisoning which it is thought he ingested through a cup of tea. Russia has refused to extradite lawmaker and ex-KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi to face charges in Britain.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

509 Oldasdirt  Sat, Sep 27, 2008 11:55:23pm

I just found out tonight that it is a favorite ring tone in the Nederlands.
"Silance,,I keeel you"
I recently got this computor,,so im probably light years behind you guys.

510 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:01:09am

re: #509 Oldasdirt

I just found out tonight that it is a favorite ring tone in the Nederlands.
"Silance,,I keeel you"
I recently got this computor,,so im probably light years behind you guys.

Well, I can only imagine why it's popular there.

And welcome to the Geek Squad. I never thought I would be doing this eight years ago, but here I am. I'm hooked.

511 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:06:21am

re: #510 x-wing
I just retired,and cant help but think how much i have been missing.But catching up will keep me ocupied for a while.Im haveing a blast.
Not a Achmed,Blast,,more like a fun blast.

512 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:11:45am

re: #511 Oldasdirt

I just retired,and cant help but think how much i have been missing.But catching up will keep me ocupied for a while.Im haveing a blast.
Not a Achmed,Blast,,more like a fun blast.

Well I've got 20 years to go until I can call it quits', but I love politics and places like this and others keep me wanting for more. Most of the time I sit back and lurk because the thread moves so fast,and my typing skills suck. But I always go to work loaded for bear if someone starts a political argument, they don't last long.

513 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:13:37am

re: #401 SpartanWoman

The markets and banks weren't free for a while now. Repeal the CRA

We live in a quasi-socialist state. Name me one free market in the world today.

514 LeePro  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:14:30am

OT ethics question:

I've been working (along with a team) on our eighth grade reunion for the
St. Anne (Memphis) Class of 1956. There are a dozen or so folks we've been unable to locate. Would it be ethical to publish (here, for instance) their full names in hopes that someone here knows one (or IS one!). They could contact me at my email...

515 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:16:42am

re: #512 x-wing
20 years to me goes by pretty fast,so good luck with that.Being from Texas,not too many people to argue with.But knowlage is power,and truth is something a Dem cant stand up to.

516 ggt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:17:08am

re: #514 LeePro

I don't think so Lee. I think it is ok to post a link to a list of the missing on the reunion website.

517 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:17:08am

re: #512 x-wing

But I always go to work loaded for bear if someone starts a political argument, they don't last long.

Well, that sounds pretty unfair, you knowing what you're talking about and them not....

518 ggt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #517 Moe Katz

There ought to be a law!

/////

519 rabidfox  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:22:53am

re: #359 Walter L. Newton Good on you! It'll be a year this coming 11 Nov. for me. Heart attack is a great incentive to quit.

520 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:26:35am

re: #517 Moe Katz

Well, that sounds pretty unfair, you knowing what you're talking about and them not....

That's the way I like it. I like-a do the cha-cha.

I feel sorry for them afterwards, but it's their fault because they know me. It's like fishing with a stick of dynamite.

521 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:30:04am

re: #520 x-wing

It's like fishing with a stick of dynamite.

As long as they don't all end up hating you... do you work in a situation where your physical safety depends on others?

522 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:30:05am

re: #515 Oldasdirt

20 years to me goes by pretty fast,so good luck with that.Being from Texas,not too many people to argue with.But knowlage is power,and truth is something a Dem cant stand up to.


I just hope I last another 20. Where I work ,odds don't favor a long retirement. And you're right I don't know how many Dems. I pissed off just stating facts.

523 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:32:34am

No signs or banners allowed at ZerObama rally at the University of Mary Washington, Virginia.
Signs and banners were prohibited at the one and only ZerObama rally in Hawaii.
(The rules for the $2500/plate dinner was not disclosed....snicker...)
ZerObama is trying to quiet NRA ads.
Something I read about outlawing badmouthing ZerObama..?..? in Missouri?
Think "Fairness Doctrine"

Houston America, we have a problem.

NObama!
YesFreeSpeach!

524 ggt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:33:30am

Well, the cat has voiced his opinion that His household should be asleep.

weet dreams all!

525 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:33:58am

re: #521 Moe Katz

As long as they don't all end up hating you... do you work in a situation where your physical safety depends on others?


Came a little close once or twice but I backed off because they are friends and I can get carried away. I've learned to temper myself with all of the information I find on the internet.

526 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:34:17am

re: #513 EIDE_Interface

We live in a quasi-socialist state. Name me one free market in the world today.

I don't think you'd find a completely free market anywhere except possibly in failed states where anarchy prevails. All societies divvy things up into public and private sector domains, and this varies not only according to ideology but also with respect to particular cultural values. Absolute communism is almost as rare---maybe Pol Pot achieved it.

527 coquimbojoe  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:34:18am

re: #524 ggt

Well, the cat has voiced his opinion that His household should be asleep.

weet dreams all!

Buenas nachos, ggt!

528 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:35:06am

re: #524 ggt

Well, the cat has voiced his opinion that His household should be asleep.

weet dreams all!

'Night ggt....

529 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:35:56am

re: #525 x-wing

I've learned to temper myself with all of the information I find on the internet.

Heh, might be wise:)

530 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:40:11am

I better call it a night too. didn't realize the time. What with Charles and his three hour time difference. Later guys and gals.

531 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:41:17am

re: #530 x-wing
Good night ggt,and x-wing

532 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:41:19am

re: #530 x-wing

I better call it a night too. didn't realize the time. What with Charles and his three hour time difference. Later guys and gals.

May the force be with you.

533 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:41:55am

G'night, X-wing

534 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:47:24am

Got some Tom petty playin on one tab,and LGF here.Makeing some coffee.
Mommy said i could stay up late.

535 LeePro  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:49:26am

Me, too.

G'nite {Lizards}!

[klunk]
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z

536 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:52:20am

Is anyone here? I don't think I have eve seen this site shut down before.

537 Moe Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:53:00am

I'm shutting down myself.

538 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:54:01am

re: #536 Outrider

Not to worry. The next shift will show up in a minu...

Oh...wait.

539 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:57:40am

re: #538 littleoldlady
Hi late night lizzards,and an OT question.
Does this typeing make me look fat?

540 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:58:12am

Eh. Empty room here, guess I'll go fool with my blog for awhile and come back later.

541 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:58:41am

oh. someone is here. cool. no, it doesn't

542 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:01:13am

re: #541 Outrider

oh. someone is here. cool. no, it doesn't


Thanks,i was worried,and i just drank 2 cases of slimfast.

543 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:02:11am

re: #539 Oldasdirt

'Morning! :-)

You are asking the wrong person! LOL.

/vertically challenged, not horizontally. :-/

544 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:03:51am

re: #543 littleoldlady
And a happy good AM to you.

545 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:05:46am

re: #544 Oldasdirt

Somebody won the $200 million Powerball.
It wasn't me.
I guess I'll have to change my expectations for today.

/darn.

546 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:05:47am

re: #542 Oldasdirt

Thanks,i was worried,and i just drank 2 cases of slimfast.

uh, that's quite a lot. Sounds like it needed to be cut with some Kaluha or something.

547 rabidfox  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:09:55am

Good morning to the early shift!

548 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:10:32am

...o late shift? lol

549 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:11:45am

pulling pitch. Good night all

550 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:12:41am

re: #545 littleoldlady

Somebody won the $200 million Powerball.
It wasn't me.
I guess I'll have to change my expectations for today.

/darn.

What state was it in?

551 bullskin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:12:55am

¿Not a feathered crocodile?. I'm sure It would taste like chicken anyway.

552 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:13:05am

re: #545 littleoldlady

Somebody won the $200 million Powerball.
It wasn't me.
I guess I'll have to change my expectations for today.

/darn.


Sorry to hear that the powerball got away from ya.I dont play,cause if i ever won,a meteorite would fall from the sky the second they handed me the check.And yes,,it would hit me in the head.LOL

553 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:15:58am

re: #550 galloping granny

granny! :-)

Multiple states. Oh, you mean the winner? They haven't said yet.

554 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:16:23am

re: #552 Oldasdirt

That's exactly why I have insurance. ;-)

555 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:20:17am

re: #554 littleoldlady

That's exactly why I have insurance. ;-)


Im still working on a come back for that.Nope! not touching it.

556 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:24:08am

If you stop and think about it, as an investor, your money would've been safer on 27-point underdog Oregon State (or 15-point underdog Navy or 23-point underdog Ole Miss) than it would've been with WaMu.

557 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:24:29am

re: #553 littleoldlady

granny! :-)

Multiple states. Oh, you mean the winner? They haven't said yet.

OH. My daughter told me yesterday she would by me a house in the SW if she won.

558 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:25:40am

re: #554 littleoldlady

That's exactly why I have insurance. ;-)

Somebody last night posted that someone or other had called him up wanting him to buy something or other backed up with insurance from AIG. HAHAHA.

559 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:26:51am

re: #557 galloping granny

She should have enough to buy me a nice condo in Florida, too.

/I'm in! Be sure to let her know...

560 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:29:39am

Did ya'll see this about Pelosi calling the House membership unpatriotic for not going along with the bailout plan? What a tool. (Besides, anything Pelosi approves of needs to be gone over with a fine toothed comb.) Remind me to call my Congress critters again. There better not be a single dime for ACORN in that bill. [Link: hotair.com...]

561 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:30:25am

re: #559 littleoldlady

She should have enough to buy me a nice condo in Florida, too.

/I'm in! Be sure to let her know...

You sure you wouldn't be happier sharing a nice condo in Arizona where it is a dry heat and there are no hurricanes?

562 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:31:35am

re: #560 galloping granny

Spinoff link above.

/no way of telling how close to the truth it is...

Okay. Arizona is fine. Thanks! :-)

563 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:32:03am

re: #562 littleoldlady

Can I have my own bedroom?

564 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:35:25am

re: #563 littleoldlady

With a bed shaped like a racecar?

565 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:36:51am

re: #562 littleoldlady

Spinoff link above.

/no way of telling how close to the truth it is...

Okay. Arizona is fine. Thanks! :-)

All I can say is that there had best not be any ACORN provisions in there. Or pork attached. Or inclusions that would limit drilling or production of oil from shale or require us to turn half our remaining cropland to producing corn for biofuels instead of food.

566 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:38:22am

re: #564 Fenway_Nation

With a bed shaped like a racecar?

Little will have to have a princess bed. I suppose you can have one shaped like a race car if you want, but it will have to be specially built. Those things generally hold only a crib mattress and don't go far towards accommodating a hospital bed.

567 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:38:40am

re: #564 Fenway_Nation

With a bed shaped like a racecar?

No, no! I want Little Mermaid bedding and a sufficient supply of Disney movies.

568 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:39:35am

Barney Frank won the tri state 200,000,000$ powerball.Says he will be useing the money to help bail of the mess he made.Or build a new brothel.
Which ever he feels will be best for Barney Frank.

569 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:39:35am

re: #567 littleoldlady

No, no! I want Little Mermaid bedding and a sufficient supply of Disney movies.

I draw the line at Disney movies. I don't allow them in the house because I am so MEAN.

570 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:41:05am

re: #568 Oldasdirt

Barney Frank won the tri state 200,000,000$ powerball.Says he will be useing the money to help bail of the mess he made.Or build a new brothel.
Which ever he feels will be best for Barney Frank.

Barney Frank from Massachusetts? That Barney? Isn't he gay? I'm not sure he would want a brothel. But if he won, it was because the MA lottery commissioner arranged the deal. There have always been a suspiciously large number of lottery winners from the MA town the lottery commissioner lives in.

571 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:41:47am

re: #566 galloping granny

Hospital bed?! Ruh roh. Am I sick?

572 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:44:09am

re: #570 galloping granny

Barney Frank from Massachusetts? That Barney? Isn't he gay? I'm not sure he would want a brothel. But if he won, it was because the MA lottery commissioner arranged the deal. There have always been a suspiciously large number of lottery winners from the MA town the lottery commissioner lives in.


He was caught running a male brothel from an apt. basement.The Dems claimed it was run by his lover(a man) and Barney had no idea it was in the basement.

573 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:44:44am

This is interesting. . . . . you know that flap over the Missouri Truth Squads? It seems there may be more to this than meets the eye - [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

574 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:45:56am

re: #571 littleoldlady

Hospital bed?! Ruh roh. Am I sick?

Well no. Neither am I. But I want to be prepared. And besides, I want one of those beds where the back sits up so I can lay around in bed and watch TV or read till all hours.

575 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:46:42am

re: #567 littleoldlady

You drive a hard racecar bed bargain...

576 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:46:53am

re: #572 Oldasdirt

I'm sure there are many of us who don't routinely check their basements.

/

577 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:49:41am

re: #573 galloping granny

“Barack Obama needs to grow up..."

BLUNT!

578 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:50:24am

No evolution complaints this time? Have the creationist Lizards given up?

579 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:50:49am

re: #573 galloping granny

This is interesting. . . . . you know that flap over the Missouri Truth Squads? It seems there may be more to this than meets the eye - [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]


If Obama is behind this,,he just shot himself in the foot,leg,arm,and ass.
We still have the First admemdment,,right?

580 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:52:34am

re: #578 Killgore Trout

No evolution complaints this time? Have the creationist Lizards given up?

You are on the wrong thread KT - that one is a couple of threads down. I suspect that anyone whose opinion differs in the slightest from Charles on this issue simply does as I do and ignores those threads.

581 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:53:17am

re: #576 Temujin

I'm sure there are many of us who don't routinely check their basements.

/

Im sure it was quiet as a gay mouse down there.

582 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:54:03am

re: #579 Oldasdirt

Pardon me if I sound naiive, but how much of this is deal in Missouri being acted out on the basis of the McCain/Feingold legislation?

583 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:54:56am

re: #576 Temujin

I'm sure there are many of us who don't routinely check their basements.

/

I don't go in mine once a month, but you would be hard put to have a party down there without me knowing all about it. /They must have installed special sound proofing.

584 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:56:21am

re: #580 galloping granny

You are on the wrong thread KT - that one is a couple of threads down. I suspect that anyone whose opinion differs in the slightest from Charles on this issue simply does as I do and ignores those threads.

I also ignore those threads. Not as interesting a subject compared to other things we could be talking about, in my opinion.

585 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:56:27am

re: #582 Fenway_Nation

Pardon me if I sound naiive, but how much of this is deal in Missouri being acted out on the basis of the McCain/Feingold legislation?

I think you have not gotten the latest memo from The One. I was flabbergasted the other day to hear him baldly announce that HE and Feingold and worked out that immigration reform. It was all his grand plan! Nothing to do with McCain. Remember that. It is now the Obama-Feingold Amendment.

586 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:56:43am

re: #581 Oldasdirt

Im sure it was quiet as a gay mouse down there.


Not too much in the way of conversation or dialogue, I suspect.

/isn't it rude for one to talk with one's mouth full?

587 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:57:04am

re: #582 Fenway_Nation

Pardon me if I sound naiive, but how much of this is deal in Missouri being acted out on the basis of the McCain/Feingold legislation?


Im pretty sure that legislation died against the weight of the first amendment.

588 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:57:30am

re: #580 galloping granny

You are on the wrong thread KT - that one is a couple of threads down.

Ah, I haven't been checking in regularly so I missed all the fun. I'm still in Africa on a very slow dialup connection.

589 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:57:51am

re: #584 TheMatrix31

I also ignore those threads. Not as interesting a subject compared to other things we could be talking about, in my opinion.

Not as interesting, extremely divisive and really takes away from the traditional focus of LGF - the threat of militant islam & the political scene.

590 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:58:42am

re: #588 Killgore Trout

Ah, I haven't been checking in regularly so I missed all the fun. I'm still in Africa on a very slow dialup connection.

Thought I hadn't seen you around much lately KT. They have dial up in Africa? Who knew. . . . .

591 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:59:24am

re: #579 Oldasdirt

We still have the First amendment,,right?

Depends.

Haven't paid enough attention to the Supreme Court lately . . .

/

592 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

593 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:00:18am

re: #589 galloping granny

Not as interesting, extremely divisive and really takes away from the traditional focus of LGF - the threat of militant islam & the political scene.

My religious beliefs can go along with scientific facts in some fashion, I'm sure. I just have never really sat down and thought about all the intricacies. I'm also sure that you guys here on LGF have covered each and every base on it.

594 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:00:44am

Awrighty- fruitcup arriveth!

595 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:02:41am

re: #592 littleoldlady

Good morning, {LoL}! Thanks, & sorry to hear you didn't win Powerball.

Oh, well . . .

596 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:03:56am

Fenway! :-)

Temujin! :-)

Oh well?!

/easy for yOU to say...
:-(

597 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:05:03am

re: #590 galloping granny

Some of the fancy hotels here even have DSL.

598 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:05:43am

re: #593 TheMatrix31

My religious beliefs can go along with scientific facts in some fashion, I'm sure. I just have never really sat down and thought about all the intricacies. I'm also sure that you guys here on LGF have covered each and every base on it.


My older sister used to tell me i was born under the kicthen sink.Never knew what she was talking about till i found science in my life.So now i have stopped shaveing the green fuzz off my back.

599 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:06:52am

re: #593 TheMatrix31

My religious beliefs can go along with scientific facts in some fashion, I'm sure. I just have never really sat down and thought about all the intricacies. I'm also sure that you guys here on LGF have covered each and every base on it.

I haven't. At least not here. I happen to be a card carrying scientist (full member of the American Chemical Society, analytical and medicinal divisions) who feels that it is wrong to ban all discussion of "intelligent design." That is right up there with not mentioning that people used to believe in spontaneous generation or that Galileo was accused of heresy. You cannot teach science if you cannot mention anything other than the party line. You cannot BE a scientist if you do not consider all possibilities. Historically, those ideas that the scientists of the day have most disagreed with have all too often been proven correct.

600 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:07:04am

re: #596 littleoldlady

You could always follow Dennis Miller's example, & invest all your spare $$$ in Factor Gear . . .

/not that I'm recommending that you should!

601 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:07:36am

re: #597 Killgore Trout

Some of the fancy hotels here even have DSL.

That is more what I would have expected - or SAT.

602 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:07:38am

re: #585 galloping granny


Dopey me!

At face value, I find this more than a touch disturbing (McCain/Feingold legislation or not). I mean if there were ads airing airing every commercial break that insisted Obama skins puppies alive so Michelle could have a snazzy new fur coat, he'd have a legit beef.

But his 20 year association with Wright and the Trinity United Church, his sweetheart real-estate deal with Tony Rezko and his affiliation with Bill Ayers have been dismissed as outright lies (which the MSM is still going along with) when in fact they aren't. Every legitimate question about him, his policies and his prior associations have been written off as smears from the vicious right-wing pretty hate machine, and his tepid, lukewarm denials, like his whole campaign, lack anything of sunstance.

603 redc1c4  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:10:42am

re: #596 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Temujin! :-)

Oh well?!

/easy for yOU to say...
:-(

just eat your fruitcup, and you'll start feeling better in a few minutes..... %-)

604 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:11:05am

re: #599 galloping granny

“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

~ Albert Einstein

/& if you can't trust Al on this topic, who can you trust?

605 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:11:10am

re: #602 Fenway_Nation

Dopey me!

At face value, I find this more than a touch disturbing (McCain/Feingold legislation or not). I mean if there were ads airing airing every commercial break that insisted Obama skins puppies alive so Michelle could have a snazzy new fur coat, he'd have a legit beef.

But his 20 year association with Wright and the Trinity United Church, his sweetheart real-estate deal with Tony Rezko and his affiliation with Bill Ayers have been dismissed as outright lies (which the MSM is still going along with) when in fact they aren't. Every legitimate question about him, his policies and his prior associations have been written off as smears from the vicious right-wing pretty hate machine, and his tepid, lukewarm denials, like his whole campaign, lack anything of sunstance.

I agree with you. I have never in my lifetime seen a candidate for national office about which so very little is known, so much of the usual public record missing and so few questions asked. I am dumbfounded that he gets a complete media pass on everything. At any other time with virtually any other candidate they would have crucified the guy by now.

606 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:14:21am

re: #602 Fenway_Nation

" ... Obama skins puppies alive so Michelle could have a snazzy new fur coat ... "

Shocking! I didn't know that!

/

607 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:14:44am

re: #604 Temujin

“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

~ Albert Einstein

/& if you can't trust Al on this topic, who can you trust?

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p.202)

608 redc1c4  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:17:13am

re: #605 galloping granny

I agree with you. I have never in my lifetime seen a candidate for national office about which so very little is known, so much of the usual public record missing and so few questions asked. I am dumbfounded that he gets a complete media pass on everything. At any other time with virtually any other candidate they would have crucified the guy by now.

"and if you can't crucify the one, crucify the one he's against...."

mangling CSNY, 'cause they're a bunch of leftards anyway....

609 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:17:29am

re: #604 Temujin

“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”

~ Albert Einstein

/& if you can't trust Al on this topic, who can you trust?

BTW, Einstein was just a man like any other and just one of a number of brilliant scientists of the age. He was not always correct. Me, I'm one of those types that almost never takes anyone's word on anything without question - even Einsteins. I have virtually no "respect for authority."

610 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:17:36am

re: #606 Temujin

Well shit......I'm sure the 'Truth Squad' will be knocking on my door any second.

611 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:17:43am

re: #607 galloping granny

Good one, gg ! I collect quotes ; didn't have that one, tho . . .

612 redc1c4  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:18:01am

re: #610 Fenway_Nation

Well shit......I'm sure the 'Truth Squad' will be knocking on my door any second.

well, they better have a warrant.

613 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:18:42am

LOL. In one tab, I have LGF and this thread open.

In another tab, I ventured to Digg to see what the people over there are saying.

Unfortunately, I just gave myself a headache.

614 redc1c4  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:19:13am

make that "and since you can't crucify the one..."

615 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:20:02am

re: #600 Temujin

Meh. All I'm asking for is one lousy $million$.

/is that too much to ask for?! >:-X

616 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:20:53am

Oh goodie. red is here with my drugs...

;-)

617 redc1c4  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:22:12am

having dosed LOL, and dispensed doggerel to the rest of you, i think i've hit the quota for chaos. we're driving to Insane Diego tomorrow for an old school punk concert @ the HOB, so i need my zzzzzzzzzz's.

hasta, y'all......

L8r!

618 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:22:54am

re: #615 littleoldlady

Hang in there, LoL.

In the forseeable future, that could be a week's grocery bill, given inflation . . .

619 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:23:38am

re: #611 Temujin

Good one, gg ! I collect quotes ; didn't have that one, tho . . .

Most scientists, at least in the past, have believed in the concept of God. As do many (perhaps most) today. Not in religion - God. Einstein had a real problem with the literal interpretation of the Bible as absolute truth - but that is religion. It is only recently that absolute atheism has become commonplace in science.

620 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:24:21am

re: #618 Temujin

Hang in there, LoL.

In the forseeable future, that could be a week's grocery bill, given inflation . . .

Not if you know how to cook :)

621 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:24:33am

re: #617 redc1c4

Drive safe, red. Enjoy yourself.

622 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:26:49am

re: #618 Temujin

Hang in there, LoL.

In the forseeable future, that could be a week's grocery bill, given inflation . . .

Golly, you're doing an excellent job of making me feel better today!

re: #620 galloping granny

Or garden...

'Night, red.

623 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:29:09am

Jerusalem Post has a story about the bailout up -

Congressional leaders and the Bush administration reached a tentative deal early Sunday on a landmark bailout of imperiled financial markets whose collapse could plunge the nation into a deep recession.
Treasury Secretary Henry...

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson (left) and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke prepare to testify before the Senate Banking Committee in Washington, last week.
Photo: AP
Slideshow: Pictures of the week

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the $700 billion accord early Sunday morning, just after midnight, but said it still has to be put on paper.

"We've still got more to do to finalize it, but I think we're there," said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who also participated in the negotiations in the Capitol.

"We worked out everything," said Sen. Judd Gregg, the chief Senate Republican in the talks. He said the House should be able to vote on it Sunday, and the Senate could take it up Monday.

The plan calls for the Treasury Department to buy deeply distressed mortgage-backed securities and other bad debts held by banks and other investors. The money should help troubled lenders make new loans and keep credit lines open. The government would later try to sell the discounted loan packages at the best possible price.

At the insistence of House Republicans, some money would be devoted to a program that would encourage holders of distressed mortgage-backed securities to keep them and buy government insurance to cover defaults.

The legislation would place limits on severance packages for executives of companies that benefit from the rescue plan, but details were sketchy.

Also, the government would receive stock warrants in return for the bailout relief, giving taxpayers a chance to share in financial companies' future profits.

To help struggling homeowners, the plan requires the government to try renegotiating the bad mortgages it acquires with the aim of lowering borrowers' monthly payments so they can keep their homes.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

624 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:31:34am

re: #622 littleoldlady

My Victory Garden did not do so good this year.

I think I'll try growing potatoes next year. Get in touch with my Inner Irishman . . .

625 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:33:52am

re: #623 galloping granny

Wonder if they've removed the funds for Acorn from the present version . . .

626 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:34:38am

re: #624 Temujin

Neither did mine. :-(

But you've given me a great idea! I'll grow potato latkes next year to satisfy my Irish Jews here.

627 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:35:45am

re: #624 Temujin

My Victory Garden did not do so good this year.

I think I'll try growing potatoes next year. Get in touch with my Inner Irishman . . .

It was a bad year for gardening. We lost all of the early stuff here in New England to a week of 100 degree temps in mid May so lots of the early stuff bolted and new plantings died, then it rained for 40 days straight from July 4 onward, so many people lost most or all of their tomato crop, plus other stuff too.

628 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:37:11am

re: #625 Temujin

Wonder if they've removed the funds for Acorn from the present version . . .

Yeah, that is my first question. And my second question is did they leave off all of the pork? And my third question is did they eliminate all those extras they were trying to sneak in that would outlaw drilling and shale oil development? Cause if they did any of that, the answer had better be NO DEAL.

629 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:37:43am

The media has been covering for liberals since(aint gonna tell ya how old i am),i can remember.Kenedy kills Mary Joe,covered up.Kenedy became a senator.Barney Frank runs a male bordelo out of his basement,comes out of the closet.The news says"No news here"move along.Barney is still in power.Harry Reid makes shady land deals all over Nevada.News ignores it.Reid is Majority leader.Clinton has an affair in office,and stays in office,even after being impeached.News buries it.There is tons more,and im preaching to the chior here.But the media are starting to pay a price
for it.We have the net.But watch out.I heard a story the other day saying that the net is running low on IP numbers.Thats a load of crap.But liberals know it's the net that is the truth aginst them now.If we look away just a minute,they will do there damdist to make it disapear. Sorry for my spelling mistakes,it's late for me.

630 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:37:49am

re: #626 littleoldlady

From what I hear, the potato is actually fairly easy to grow, & is a very productive crop . . .

/as long as you don't get hit with potato blight!

631 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:38:19am

I thought Olmert had resigned? What is he still doing in office?

632 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:39:00am

re: #630 Temujin

I can't grow them on the deck - they have to be in the garden. So the next question is, are deer burrowing animals?

633 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:42:24am

re: #627 galloping granny

Yes, that pretty much describes my experience, too.

/On the bright side, the mint in the back of the yard did very well! Smelled wonderful every time I mowed the lawn . . .

634 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:44:28am

re: #632 littleoldlady

I can't grow them on the deck - they have to be in the garden. So the next question is, are deer burrowing animals?

You know little, deer fencing is pretty cheap to put up. The poles run about $5 each for the tallest ones and the deer fencing is cheap. They had rolls of it earlier in the year at my local ACE for ten bucks or so a roll.

635 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:44:44am

re: #632 littleoldlady

I suppose they might go after the foliage . . . however, I think the leaves have a fairly bitter taste.

636 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:45:57am

re: #633 Temujin

Yes, that pretty much describes my experience, too.

/On the bright side, the mint in the back of the yard did very well! Smelled wonderful every time I mowed the lawn . . .

My oregano is the size of a child's swimming pool. The herbs did beautifully. As did the beans that are the sort you harvest all at once and dry for overwintering. Have to go harvest those today if the rain has stopped.

637 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:49:00am

re: #634 galloping granny

They'll jump it.

/Local deer are Olympic contenders...

638 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:50:09am

re: #636 galloping granny

That's something else I need to pay more attention to next year! Herbs!

Used to have Dill springing up in my garden without planting it, but I've moved since then.

639 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:51:04am

re: #637 littleoldlady

They'll jump it.

/Local deer are Olympic contenders...

I hear marigolds will keep the deer out. I got a strain from Seeds of Italy that are the real old fashioned kind - and waist high. They are just beautiful and smelly as heck. I've had a bug problem - but none of the critters that don't like marigolds.

640 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:51:14am

re: #637 littleoldlady

They'll jump it.

/Local deer are Olympic contenders...

I understand venison is pretty tasty.

641 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:52:53am

re: #638 Temujin

That's something else I need to pay more attention to next year! Herbs!

Used to have Dill springing up in my garden without planting it, but I've moved since then.

I put in a few herbs in the back gardens when we moved to this house two years ago. The little 3 inch starter pots. The spearmint is still pretty small, but the oregano and the thymes have gotten huge. I'm going to have a nice sage harvest too.

642 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:53:26am

re: #640 Temujin

I understand venison is pretty tasty.

Venison is wonderful.

643 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:54:12am

re: #639 galloping granny

Tried marigold, too.

I'm saving up for an enclosed cage (with a top) that should keep EVERY critter out of my food.

/'ceptin' bugs, but I know how to handle those...

644 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:57:11am

re: #643 littleoldlady

Tried marigold, too.

I'm saving up for an enclosed cage (with a top) that should keep EVERY critter out of my food.

/'ceptin' bugs, but I know how to handle those...

I thought I did too. I had some bug in the squash this year that chomped right through both varieties of zucchini and then had at the cukes. Those disappeared in under two days - the entire plants gone. Last time I looked they had started in on the melons. No clue what kind of bugs they are- very oval and very ash gray. completely unfazed by any and all organic methods of deterrence. If we're still here next year I guess I will have no choice but to forget organic in order to rid myself of them.

645 srb1976  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:57:37am

re: #640 Temujin

I understand venison is pretty tasty.

Ground venison makes great chili

646 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:59:47am

re: #643 littleoldlady

I had rabbits going after the lettuce I planted this year. They showed no interest in the Hav-a-hart trap, though.

/I did relocate a few squirrels, though.

647 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:03:25am

re: #645 srb1976

Ground venison makes great chili

Yes. I believe Ken Kesey used to make venison chili.

And, iirc, he used to spike it with LSD.

/Not an essential ingredient . . .

648 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:05:30am

re: #646 Temujin

The cure for rabbits is fox.

I'm not a big fan of venison; I find it too dense a meat. But if you slice it superthin and put it in a crockpot to slow cook/marinate with a ton of vegetables (like for a DAY) it's very tasty.

649 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:09:12am

re: #648 littleoldlady

The cure for rabbits is fox.

I'm not a big fan of venison; I find it too dense a meat. But if you slice it superthin and put it in a crockpot to slow cook/marinate with a ton of vegetables (like for a DAY) it's very tasty.

Venison has very little fat, so you need to allow for that. My favorite thing to do with venison is to marinate it in 1/3 cup soy sauce and 1/2 cup olive oil with a clove of garlic, a couple of juniper berries and a bay leaf or two for not one second more than 30 minutes - if you go longer it will taste like marinade instead of venison. Turns the meat fork tender.

Venison also does extremely well if you slice it as thin as possible while still partially frozen and then use it in a stir fry. Especially nice done as you would for beef & broccoli with oyster sauce.

650 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:11:57am

re: #648 littleoldlady

The cure for rabbits is fox.

I'm not a big fan of venison; I find it too dense a meat. But if you slice it superthin and put it in a crockpot to slow cook/marinate with a ton of vegetables (like for a DAY) it's very tasty.

So far, foxes have not adapted to the local small-town environment with the same kind of enthusiasm that rabbits have.

So far.

I suspect one cure for rabbits might be Hasenpfeffer.

651 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:12:51am

re: #650 Temujin

So far, foxes have not adapted to the local small-town environment with the same kind of enthusiasm that rabbits have.

So far.

I suspect one cure for rabbits might be Hasenpfeffer.

Rabbit also is quite nice fried like chicken if it is young and tender. Or stewed like chicken and dumplings if it is not.

652 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:16:09am

re: #651 galloping granny

I have an acquaintance who keeps urging me to make squirrel stew with the squirrels I trap.

/They seem a little too bony to be worth the effort, tho . . .

653 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:18:09am

re: #652 Temujin

I have an acquaintance who keeps urging me to make squirrel stew with the squirrels I trap.

/They seem a little too bony to be worth the effort, tho . . .

There are squirrels and then there are squirrels. I think I would at least check with your local Fish and Game before I did that. In some parts of the country rabies is fairly common in the squirrel population.

654 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:22:41am

re: #653 galloping granny

Not to mention, they have their own version of "mad cow" disease!

/Definitely not worth the effort! I'd be happy to take a "live and let live" attitude towards them if they would just stop trying to invade the attic and make nests out of the cardboard boxes up there.

655 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:23:20am

Speaking of cooking things...I have to pull my kitchen together for some chicken soup and matzoh balls.

/first you clean, then you clean again, and after that...you clean! ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

656 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:24:21am

re: #655 littleoldlady

Speaking of cooking things...I have to pull my kitchen together for some chicken soup and matzoh balls.

/first you clean, then you clean again, and after that...you clean! ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

"The trouble with housework, Miz Smith, is that it is just so daily!"

657 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:24:52am

re: #655 littleoldlady

Take care, {LoL}. See ya 'round . . .

658 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:25:07am

re: #654 Temujin

Not to mention, they have their own version of "mad cow" disease!

/Definitely not worth the effort! I'd be happy to take a "live and let live" attitude towards them if they would just stop trying to invade the attic and make nests out of the cardboard boxes up there.

The only recipe I know of that historically contains squirrel is Brunswick Stew. Most folks leave the squirrel out these days.

659 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:28:14am

re: #658 galloping granny

Yes : I believe the Brunswick Stew recipes that I've seen specify chicken.

/Another American tradition down the Memory Hole . . .

660 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:31:06am

re: #659 Temujin

Yes : I believe the Brunswick Stew recipes that I've seen specify chicken.

/Another American tradition down the Memory Hole . . .

Oh Brunswick Stew has always contained chicken too - and several other meats. It really is similar to a fairy tale soup where everyone in town brings whatever happens to be in the pantry and throws it into a communal pot.

661 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:34:08am

re: #659 Temujin

Yes : I believe the Brunswick Stew recipes that I've seen specify chicken.

/Another American tradition down the Memory Hole . . .

Speaking of those American traditions, I had noticed over the last few years that many of the tales and stories that we would think of as traditionally American - Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, Casey Jones - have seemed to have completely disappeared from the literature that is currently available for children. I ended up actively hunting up a book and ended up having to buy something that is out of print. (Not that I mind - it was in new condition.)

662 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:45:28am

re: #660 galloping granny

Yes ; I couldn't recall exactly what went into Brunswick Stew, but I knew that it had more than one type of meat in it. I was sorta being facetious . . .

I think it's interesting that people eat a considerably smaller variety of foods these days than they did when I was young. Their interest in various ethnic foods has expanded, but how many people eat things like lamb these days, for instance (other than the odd lambchop)? Campbell's Soup used to make Scotch Broth soup, with lamb and barley; try finding that in your local supermarket! They are still stocking Pepper Pot (with tripe) locally, but I wonder how many folks are buying it? I'm not sure that a lot of people eat liver very often these days, but probably more than are eating heart - or brains - or kidney! And I'm sure we could come up with a long list of similar examples.

663 sparrowlake  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:47:41am

U.S. Supplies Israel With New Missile Tracking System

The good news is that Israel will now be able to engage Iranian incoming missiles 6 times faster than the current system. This will allow Israel to reduce the penetration rate of an Iranian missile attack, which means it will be able to survive a conventional missile attack.
The bad news is that Iranian missiles can reach Israel in only 11 minutes. With such a short flight time it is unrealistic to expect a 100% effective shield. Even if a few nuclear warheads were to hit Tel Aviv, Haifa and/or Jerusalem the result would be a nuclear holocaust and the fallout would kill and injure many more and destroy the national economy.

664 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:48:49am

re: #661 galloping granny

Too many dragons waiting to be woken.

/Racism! Sexism! Homophobia!

//Patriotism ! !

665 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:50:44am

re: #662 Temujin

Yes ; I couldn't recall exactly what went into Brunswick Stew, but I knew that it had more than one type of meat in it. I was sorta being facetious . . .

I think it's interesting that people eat a considerably smaller variety of foods these days than they did when I was young. Their interest in various ethnic foods has expanded, but how many people eat things like lamb these days, for instance (other than the odd lambchop)? Campbell's Soup used to make Scotch Broth soup, with lamb and barley; try finding that in your local supermarket! They are still stocking Pepper Pot (with tripe) locally, but I wonder how many folks are buying it? I'm not sure that a lot of people eat liver very often these days, but probably more than are eating heart - or brains - or kidney! And I'm sure we could come up with a long list of similar examples.

Very true. And most people don't even eat very good quality meat these days. We mostly buy buffalo and beefalo now. What I wouldn't give for some good old fashioned aged steak* or some real fresh ground hamburg.

*I've seen that aged steak recently online I think it was for some ungodly price - $50 or so a pound!

666 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:56:35am

re: #665 galloping granny

The local super has ground buffalo meat ; I've been meaning to try it.

Fowl offers numerous examples of what I'm talking about. Duck? Goose? Pheasant? Quail? How many folks are routinely eating things like those? And those really are the most pedestrian choices, if you think about it . . .

667 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:57:37am

You know, it has just dawned on me that in all the hoopla over the "bailout" something very important has completely and entirely disappeared from the radar - the Venezualan dismissal of the US Ambassador last week, followed by Bolivia.

668 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:59:26am

re: #663 sparrowlake

Eleven minutes?

Barely enough time to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye . . .

669 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:59:27am

Good morning!

Fish.

/the other white meat?

670 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:59:45am

re: #666 Temujin

The local super has ground buffalo meat ; I've been meaning to try it.

Fowl offers numerous examples of what I'm talking about. Duck? Goose? Pheasant? Quail? How many folks are routinely eating things like those? And those really are the most pedestrian choices, if you think about it . . .

I think that has to do mostly with price. Duck and goose are not routinely available except at Christmas and both have been promoted for many years now as very fatty and high calorie. Pheasant and Quail are available online - we have a farm here in Vermont where they are raised commercially. Spendy though.

671 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:00:50am

Back on track-
We have a massive 700 billion dollar agreement-
300 billion in todays dollars.

But it was too late for this poor Investment banker.

Kirk Stephenson, who was married with an eight-year-old son, died in the path of a 100 mph express train at Taplow railway station, Berkshire England.
Mr Stephenson is believed to have taken his own life after succumbing to mounting personal pressures as the world’s financial markets went into meltdown.
672 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:00:52am

re: #666 Temujin

The local super has ground buffalo meat ; I've been meaning to try it.

Fowl offers numerous examples of what I'm talking about. Duck? Goose? Pheasant? Quail? How many folks are routinely eating things like those? And those really are the most pedestrian choices, if you think about it . . .

BTW, you will love buffalo. Use it just as you would hamburg, remembering that it is a bit leaner.

673 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:01:36am

re: #663 sparrowlake

U.S. Supplies Israel With New Missile Tracking System

The good news is that Israel will now be able to engage Iranian incoming missiles 6 times faster than the current system. This will allow Israel to reduce the penetration rate of an Iranian missile attack, which means it will be able to survive a conventional missile attack.
The bad news is that Iranian missiles can reach Israel in only 11 minutes. With such a short flight time it is unrealistic to expect a 100% effective shield. Even if a few nuclear warheads were to hit Tel Aviv, Haifa and/or Jerusalem the result would be a nuclear holocaust and the fallout would kill and injure many more and destroy the national economy.

Since I'm out of the real news cycle during the week, is it true that the U.S. told Israel "NO" about Iran?

/If so, then this might be our "Here...do this instead" offer?

674 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:03:23am

re: #670 galloping granny

Price might well be a deterrent ; but, IMHO, most folks are never even getting that far.

Liver, to take an example, is cheap as hell.

675 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:03:54am

re: #673 gettinby

Since I'm out of the real news cycle during the week, is it true that the U.S. told Israel "NO" about Iran?

/If so, then this might be our "Here...do this instead" offer?

I heard that, but then a week or ten days later a big sale of bunker busters to Israel was announced. In reality, the US does not control Israel and we have no right nor the authority to tell them no about anything. Least of all Iran. I would look for the balloon on this one on November 5. Barring some surprise development inside Iran.

676 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:05:58am

re: #673 gettinby

Since I'm out of the real news cycle during the week, is it true that the U.S. told Israel "NO" about Iran?

/If so, then this might be our "Here...do this instead" offer?

No-
means, 'not right now.'

677 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:06:23am

re: #674 Temujin

Price might well be a deterrent ; but, IMHO, most folks are never even getting that far.

Liver, to take an example, is cheap as hell.

Particularly chicken liver - runs about $1 a pound. I don't often serve it as the main meat for a meal, but I regularly make a pate similar to chopped chicken liver spread and then freeze it in small containers to have on hand to serve with crackers.

678 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:07:44am

re: #676 ibmkeyboard

Meanwhile, the centrifuges keep on spinning . . .

679 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:10:06am

re: #677 galloping granny

Chicken livers with sauteed onions ... and bacon. Mmmmmm.

680 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:10:43am

re: #675 galloping granny

Thanks.

In reality, the US does not control Israel and we have no right nor the authority to tell them no about anything.

True, but some of the media seems to prefer to present headlines and stories as though we do somehow.

That's one of the many reasons I come here. LGF is a wonderful media filter system.

681 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:11:37am

re: #679 Temujin

Chicken livers with sauteed onions ... and bacon. Mmmmmm.

Saute the whole mess together, then throw it at the blender and you have chicken liver pate. A little seasoning is nice.

682 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:12:06am

re: #676 ibmkeyboard

No-
means, 'not right now.'

/heh. :)

683 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:13:39am

re: #675 galloping granny

I heard that, but then a week or ten days later a big sale of bunker busters to Israel was announced. In reality, the US does not control Israel and we have no right nor the authority to tell them no about anything. Least of all Iran. I would look for the balloon on this one on November 5. Barring some surprise development inside Iran.

Granny, very true. However, we do give them $$$ and that talks. To there own detriment, I think. Israel needs to get back to the "You attack us with swords, we'll attack you with guns" philosophy.

684 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:17:59am

re: #683 rightwinger3

Hear, hear.

Much like that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

/

685 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:18:57am

re: #683 rightwinger3

Granny, very true. However, we do give them $$$ and that talks. To there own detriment, I think. Israel needs to get back to the "You attack us with swords, we'll attack you with guns" philosophy.

Yes they do. If they want to survive. As I recall we give them money mostly because we give Eqypt money to "keep the peace." Thanks to Dhimmi Carter.

686 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:43:06am

A Threat Bigger Than Wall Street.

If we can imagine such a thing.

/

687 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:44:00am

re: #685 galloping granny

Yes they do. If they want to survive. As I recall we give them money mostly because we give Eqypt money to "keep the peace." Thanks to Dhimmi Carter.

Although it would be helpful and instill confidence to know the US and UK are behind you, they need to not worry about that and look out for themselves as they used to do. If I was in the IDF or responsible for the security of Israel I would tell the rest of the world to go &$%# themselves.

688 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:45:19am

Bush had to stop this stock market from imploding.

Then he can give Mr. Mooumad Afterdinnernutjob the religious metal he deserves.

[Link: blog.800hightech.com...]

689 tappin52  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:48:54am

I simply can not understand why Israel needs our permission and blessing to protect their survival.

690 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:51:08am

re: #687 rightwinger3

Although it would be helpful and instill confidence to know the US and UK are behind you, they need to not worry about that and look out for themselves as they used to do. If I was in the IDF or responsible for the security of Israel I would tell the rest of the world to go &$%# themselves.

The UK, barring a rare individual exception, is not and never has been a friend to Israel and it is always a mistake to think that they are. We once were, but recent actions lead me to believe that those days are long past here in the US, though I do have hopes that McCain might clean house.

691 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:52:26am

re: #689 tappin52

I'm sure the MSM will be happy to explain it to you.

/

692 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:55:04am

re: #689 tappin52

I suspect they weren't really asking for permission but were asking for support; shared intell, radar from American ships in the Gulf, flights over Iraqi airspace, etc.

693 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:56:18am

So there is a link up at Fox that supposedly outlines the draft bailout proposal. It contains this exceedingly odd statement -

CRITICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RESCUE PLAN.
Democrats have insisted from day one on substantial changes to make the Bush-Paulson plan acceptable — protecting American taxpayers and Main Street — and these elements will be included in the legislation

It is my understanding that it has been REPUBLICANS who have insisted on most of the changes.

694 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:58:44am

re: #690 galloping granny

The UK, barring a rare individual exception, is not and never has been a friend to Israel and it is always a mistake to think that they are. We once were, but recent actions lead me to believe that those days are long past here in the US, though I do have hopes that McCain might clean house.

Agreed. When I wrote my post I didn't mean to suggest that either place was friend to Israel--at least not in the current state. I did, though, mean to suggest it would be nice for Israel to believe they had the backing of the US and UK. Again, they need not to worry about that and get on with the business of their national security whatever it takes.

695 sparrowlake  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:00:44am

re: #692 Killgore Trout

I suspect they weren't really asking for permission but were asking for support; shared intell, radar from American ships in the Gulf, flights over Iraqi airspace, etc.


Many think that the attack on Iran will come shortly after the U.S. election, especially if BHO (*spit*) wins.
It is clear that Iran must not be allowed to acquire nukes.
And since Israel acting alone cannot be sure that a conventional attack will take out the Iranian nuclear program, it probably will have already armed and deployed a backup pre-emptive nuclear first strike capability sufficient in scale to completely obliterate the Iranian nuclear program and to cripple its conventional attack capability.
In this context the new missile defence shield will hopefully allow Israel to weather any retaliatory conventional missile attack with a survivable amount of damage and casualties.
The job of the U.S. will be to get its Iraqi forces ready to shift roles very quickly and to keep the Russkies at bay.
Another huge problem:
Assuming Livni is able to form a government, will she have the political will to carry out this attack? And if she cannot form a government then will Olmert suddenly find the balls to do it? If not, then the November - January window will likely close before Israeli elections can be held and a new government formed.

696 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:00:51am

re: #693 galloping granny

Maybe this statement is referring to banning shale oil ? Or funding Acorn ?

/does seem a bit odd for Fox News, tho . . .

697 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:01:17am

re: #693 galloping granny

— protecting American taxpayers and Main Street —

That's pretty transperent bullshit. Since when are politicians concerned with protecting taxpayers? They're only concerned with appeasing voters because there's an election coming up.

698 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:01:57am

Fox reporting the bailout deal is done.

/hide the children.

699 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:02:24am

Okay, so reading through the "draft" issued by Pelosi, I do not like this at all. For starters, this is a summary of talking points, not a draft. Secondly, it quite literally nationalizes a huge chunk of our economy. Third, the "independent oversight" provisions make the Treasury Secretary both superflous and powerless, since all decisions made by him must be rubberstamped by an "independent" inspector. Definitely do NOT like this.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

700 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:03:57am

re: #695 sparrowlake

It's a real bummer but the only thing standing between a nuclear Iran and the rest of the world is Israeli airpower. I'm not sure if they still have the stones.

701 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:04:17am

re: #698 gettinby

Fox reporting the bailout deal is done.

/hide the children.

Guess it's too late to hide their future earning ability . . .

702 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:09:04am

re: #700 Killgore Trout

It's a real bummer but the only thing standing between a nuclear Iran and the rest of the world is Israeli airpower. I'm not sure if they still have the stones.

I know and have worked with a few IAF and IDF soldiers. They have the stones...even the women. The Israeli leftists (or leftists anywhere) don't.

703 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:09:49am

re: #701 Temujin

Guess it's too late to hide their future earning ability . . .

S'okay. They'll have jobs with the government and will be taken care of.

/I wonder what color our clothing uniforms will be?

704 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:09:51am

re: #694 rightwinger3

Agreed. When I wrote my post I didn't mean to suggest that either place was friend to Israel--at least not in the current state. I did, though, mean to suggest it would be nice for Israel to believe they had the backing of the US and UK. Again, they need not to worry about that and get on with the business of their national security whatever it takes.

I'm not so sure just how nice it would be for Israel to be able to believe that the UK was their friend with good intentions. Once upon a time the people of Israel knew just exactly the opposite through first hand experience. And then they allowed themselves to forget. . . . and look at where it has gotten them.

705 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:10:56am

re: #701 Temujin

We'll have to wait for details but the deal has been poorly explained and I don't think it's as bad as most people think. Liten to Bob Brinker's radio show today if you get a chance. He will explain it far better than I can.

706 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:11:37am

re: #702 rightwinger3

I know and have worked with a few IAF and IDF soldiers. They have the stones...even the women. The Israeli leftists (or leftists anywhere) don't.

Sadly, right or left doesnt seem to matter much.

707 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:12:09am

re: #703 gettinby

“I will work harder.” ~ Boxer, Animal Farm

708 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:13:25am

re: #705 Killgore Trout

We'll have to wait for details but the deal has been poorly explained and I don't think it's as bad as most people think. Liten to Bob Brinker's radio show today if you get a chance. He will explain it far better than I can.

Where can I listen?

Where is 3wood?

709 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:13:27am

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...] has this been addressed lately? Russian navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered Peter the Great cruiser accompanied by three other ships sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk on Monday. The ships will cover about 15,000 nautical miles to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy

710 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:13:28am

re: #702 rightwinger3

Agreed. I'm questioning the political will of the government and the Israeli voters. The military is more than capable. I'd guess it would take them no more than 48 hours to erase the Iranian nuclear program permanently.

711 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:13:58am

woops that was to re: #699 galloping granny

woops that was to woops that was to

712 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:14:03am

Mornin' Lizards. What do you guys think about the internet radio royalties fight? [Link: blog.pandora.com...]

713 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:14:55am

re: #709 willowone

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...] has this been addressed lately? Russian navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered Peter the Great cruiser accompanied by three other ships sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk on Monday. The ships will cover about 15,000 nautical miles to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy

Nope. Not a single whisper about this or about Venezuela and Bolivia kicking our ambassadors out of the country.

714 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:14:58am

re: #706 Wishing

Sadly, right or left doesnt seem to matter much.

I think it does. Conservatives have shown themselves to be concerned with national security usually above all else.

715 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:15:29am

re: #705 Killgore Trout

I hope you are right, Killgore.

Perhaps I'd feel more optimistic if we had heard more attempts to persuade, and fewer appeals to fear.

Bob Brinker is a good suggestion.

716 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:15:47am

re: #710 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I'm questioning the political will of the government and the Israeli voters. The military is more than capable. I'd guess it would take them no more than 48 hours to erase the Iranian nuclear program permanently.

Remind you of anyplace else?

717 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:15:52am

re: #707 Temujin

“I will work harder.” ~ Boxer, Animal Farm

Ha!

/It just occurred to me that we gun-totin' 'muricans better make sure they didn't sneak in a gun ban in "The Deal."
//They would if they could, you know.

718 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:16:23am

re: #713 galloping granny very frustrating, i suppose this type of no news is comparable to little news connecting terrorism last couple of years.
we're expected to stay asleep.

719 sparrowlake  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:17:20am

re: #714 rightwinger3

I think it does. Conservatives have shown themselves to be concerned with national security usually above all else.

If the Israelis truly believe the existential threat is both real and imminent then they will come together and act. Hopefully it won't be too late.

720 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:17:42am

re: #708 gettinby

Bob Brinker laso streams his show online and on satelite radio too. Well worth listening to.

721 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:18:36am

re: #705 Killgore Trout

We'll have to wait for details but the deal has been poorly explained and I don't think it's as bad as most people think. Liten to Bob Brinker's radio show today if you get a chance. He will explain it far better than I can.

I might feel better if I saw the actual draft rather than Pelosi's list of talking points. That is not the draft of the law on which our lawmakers will vote - which is the one I want to see. As outlined, this is absolute crap. A nationalization of our mortgage and banking industry. One designed to create more chaos.

Think about it - she is saying that the bill will allow the government to reduce the interest and change the terms of mortgages in foreclosure. Well, just how long do you figure it will be before we see lawsuits about preferential treatment and deliberate defaults in order to get that preferential treatment?

722 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:19:07am

laso=also
/No spell check in Africa

723 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:20:49am

re: #721 galloping granny good point.

gre: #705 Killgore Trout has anything been calrified re: Acorn and bailout

724 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:21:00am

re: #719 sparrowlake

If the Israelis truly believe the existential threat is both real and imminent then they will come together and act. Hopefully it won't be too late.

Key word. It (the existential threat) is always imminent in Israel. they are surrounded by sworn enemies with their backs to the sea.

725 Temujin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:22:29am

re: #721 galloping granny

granny - keep in mind, it ain't over till it's over.

/Enjoyed talking with you. Take care, {gg} - see ya later. Time 2 go.

726 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:22:38am

re: #721 galloping granny

It looks like the ACORN provision didn't make the final cut. I doubt the "Wall Street Tax" proposal will make it either. We'll have to wait and see but I don't think it's going to be too bad.

727 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:24:33am

re: #718 willowone

It was news a few weeks ago when they were announced. Rest assured those Russian ships are in the cross hairs of The United States Navy.

728 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:24:57am

re: #723 willowone

Looks like ACORN got the axe

729 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:26:52am

"China had a space launch and a space walk" ZOMG WE LANDED ON THE MOON 39 YEARS AGO! HALP!

730 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:27:50am

A few more details here:Lawmakers Reach Tentative Bailout Deal

731 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:28:50am

re: #720 Killgore Trout

Bob Brinker laso streams his show online and on satelite radio too. Well worth listening to.

Terrific!

A radio station in Lakeland, Florida is the closest to NE Tampa. His show is scheduled for today at 4pm and 6pm.

Thank you.

732 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:29:42am

re: #726 Killgore Trout

It looks like the ACORN provision didn't make the final cut. I doubt the "Wall Street Tax" proposal will make it either. We'll have to wait and see but I don't think it's going to be too bad.

I don't see a single "provision" here KT. This is just propaganda from Pelosi - note she is claiming that the Dems have insisted on all these protections for the American people when it has been the Republicans refusing to approve the bill as written.

I want to see the exact draft bill as written and submitted to Congress, not the talking points.

733 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:30:19am

"Scientists have found a new huge and well-preserved fossil of a goose and duck relative that swam around what is now England 50 million years ago flashing sharp, toothy smiles." (reading between the lines)

It's Nancy Pelosi!

734 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:31:05am

Thanks to both Killgore and kcladderman for response.

kcladderman i typed a long response but it was fraught with worry. i rethought and will say only ok, thanks and G-d Bless our military.

735 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:31:42am

Surely Fox News can't continue to ignore the story about the Missouri prosecutors, can they? I mean, this story is juicy red meat!

736 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:31:51am

re: #728 Killgore Trout

Looks like ACORN got the axe

You cannot reasonably assume that unless you read the exact draft on which the lawmakers will vote. Just because something is missing from Pelosi's talking points (and ACORN is a Dem demand) and a news story does not mean that it is not being slipped into the bill under the wire.

One of the very best things about the internet is that we get to see just what our lawmakers vote on rather than wait months for the Congressional Record to publish it.

737 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:31:55am

re: #2 Shug

Crap. I thought you were talking about Vultures.

/ACLU Attorneys = Vultures

738 sparrowlake  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:32:02am

re: #732 galloping granny

I want to see the exact draft bill as written and submitted to Congress, not the talking points.

Whut, you don't trust them?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

739 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:32:34am

re: #731 gettinby

I try to listen every weekend. He has very good (and very conservative) personal finance advice. If you're interested in handling your own money it's very valuable. He's often dull and I don't always understand what he's talking about but I force myself to listen and I've learned a lot from him.

740 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:33:53am

A House staffer reached after the deal announcement was made confirmed that lawmakers did decide to drop the affordable housing fund proposals, which would have potentially directed billions to state and local governments to fund housing projects

741 Geepers  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:33:57am

galloping granny (#732),

I want to see the exact draft bill as written and submitted to Congress, not the talking points.

Now now granny, the commoners aren't savvy enough to understand it all, just trust Nancy and Harry, theys is smart.

742 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:34:06am

re: #738 sparrowlake

Whut, you don't trust them?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Trust Nancy Pelosi? Please. I would not trust that lunatic to feed my stuffed cat.

743 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:35:32am

re: #740 willowone

A House staffer reached after the deal announcement was made confirmed that lawmakers did decide to drop the affordable housing fund proposals, which would have potentially directed billions to state and local governments to fund housing projects

Well yes. Why should we invest billions in "housing projects" the like of which Barrak Hussein Obama produced for Chicago? The ones that are completely uninhabitable and mostly roofless less than 20 years on.

744 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:36:37am

i seem not to be able to count on my reply button or updings it throws me out of room. anyone else having a similar issue?

745 Split  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:37:34am

Careful with that Bob Brinker guy. He sells a market timer service and is still fully invested. He may or may not understand what's going on.

746 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:37:40am

Granny. re; 743

agree

747 yah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:38:54am

re: #744 willowone

mine are working fine

748 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:40:16am

re: #730 Killgore Trout

From the link:

A Senate aide said they were pushing provisions that would address such concerns, mainly by assessing fees on a wide swath of financial institutions over a certain asset size to create a privately-funded rescue fund to pay for any future and current bailouts.
749 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:40:40am

Yah, ok. also spellcheck toss's me to front page, i'll try to shut down-reload.

750 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:42:40am

re: #742 galloping granny

Trust Nancy Pelosi? Please. I would not trust that lunatic to feed my stuffed cat.

lol

Granny please.
You need to trust the democrats to pull this off,
President Obama was there putting this plan together and won the debate.

751 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:43:59am

re: #745 Split

Careful with that Bob Brinker guy. He sells a market timer service and is still fully invested. He may or may not understand what's going on.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

752 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:44:25am

WhackWhack on funding the troops

753 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:45:38am

re: #742 galloping granny

You have a stuffed cat?

754 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:46:02am

re: #752 Sparkizzy

THAT better not be in there - (the part about funding or not funding the troops). It weren't the troops stealin' from us.

755 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:46:36am

re: #748 Cap'n DOC

re: #730 Killgore Trout

From the link:

A Senate aide said they were pushing provisions that would address such concerns, mainly by assessing fees on a wide swath of financial institutions over a certain asset size to create a privately-funded rescue fund to pay for any future and current bailouts.

Who will be in control of this "privately-funded rescue fund?"

756 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:47:54am

re: #755 gettinby

Who will be in control of this "privately-funded rescue fund?"

I think it is an insurance program, funded by purchasers of the mortgages (sub prime)

757 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:48:46am

re: #750 ibmkeyboard

lol

Granny please.
You need to trust the democrats to pull this off,
President Obama was there putting this plan together and won the debate.

Fuck that ibm! Have you never heard that what you say will come to pass? Don't say such a thing even in jest!

758 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:49:10am

re: #756 Wishing

I think it is an insurance program, funded by purchasers of the mortgages (sub prime)

Sounds like another scam to me.

759 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:49:11am

No Alqaida before we went in? FUCK YOU BARRY!

760 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:49:37am

re: #758 galloping granny

They want to use AIG.
/

761 elevenbravo1969  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:50:27am

I loved the expressions on the faces of Pelosi and Reid as they sat next to GWB in that cabinet room meeting...I want to see those same expressions on November 5th.

762 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:50:55am

re: #755 gettinby

Who will be in control of this "privately-funded rescue fund?"

Yup. And I am dying to know just who this "independent reviewer" who will exercise unconstitutional authority over the decision of the Treasury Secretary will be. And just who will appoint him.

763 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:51:14am

this posted by American Thinker.....a must read! Obama has done a good job (with a lot of help from the MSM) to hide this. some of it is out there, but this article really focuses on the total mess. I couldn't help but think of Katrina, the failed public school system, voter fraud. Read the whole thing!
FTA

Yet, no one to my knowledge has yet connected all the dots between Barack Obama and the Radical Left. When seen together, the influences on Obama's life comprise a who's who of the radical leftist movement, and it becomes painfully apparent that not only is Obama a willing participant in that movement, he has spent most of his adult life deeply immersed in it.


But even this doesn't fully describe the extreme nature of this candidate. He can be tied directly to a malevolent overarching strategy that has motivated many, if not all, of the most destructive radical leftist organizations in the United States since the 1960s.

764 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:51:48am

re: #743 galloping granny

I'm heartened by reports trickling in that the unimaginably huge graft set-aside is toast, but I'm suspicious. These things have an unfortunate tendency to pop back up. Just seems too...honest...to be coming from Pelosi and her accomplices.

765 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:53:02am

re: #764 Pullus Iulius

I'm heartened by reports trickling in that the unimaginably huge graft set-aside is toast, but I'm suspicious. These things have an unfortunate tendency to pop back up. Just seems too...honest...to be coming from Pelosi and her accomplices.

I am not the least heartened. I smell a sell out and a cover up. That was one of the biggest sticking points. That it was specifically not mentioned as eliminated says to me that it wasn't.

766 Knitwit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:53:06am

Good morning, all!

Sorry I'm late with the bagels 'n' fixin's.

I got word that a tanker had just pulled into the nearest gas station and the lines were forming. It hadn't gotten too crazy yet when I got there. People went inside, got some coffee and a Krispy Kreme, and waited. No mayhem as has been reported from around Charlotte proper.

767 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:53:43am

re: #756 Wishing

I think it is an insurance program, funded by purchasers of the mortgages (sub prime)

Oh. So...who/what holds the checkbook, decides on disbursements and pays the bills for the cost of running this program?

/I'm a natural-born worry-wort.

768 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:55:14am

re: #762 galloping granny

Yup. And I am dying to know just who this "independent reviewer" who will exercise unconstitutional authority over the decision of the Treasury Secretary will be. And just who will appoint him.

THAT'S what I'm talking about!

/same ol' same ol'

769 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:55:17am

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (63 degrees, going up to 80 degrees) in a very foggy, humid Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

770 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:55:44am

re: #757 galloping granny

Fuck that ibm! Have you never heard that what you say will come to pass? Don't say such a thing even in jest!


Me a prophet?
I have very little faith in the prophecy's of men.

Remember the Y2K meltdown- living in caves?
John Kerry- Al Gore.

lol
sorry,
i am going to kick and stuff my cat and he ain't even dead yet.

771 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:56:47am

re: #766 Knitwit
Hey, good morning to you Knitwit! You mean a tanker truck FINALLY got into our area?!?! WOW!
Uh, how early did y'all have to get up to get some gasoline?

772 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:57:30am

re: #766 Knitwit

I live around Charlotte, too. Some stations had gas Friday night, police directing traffic thankfully. What a mess!

773 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:57:40am

Good morning, Lizards.

When my EH and I bought our home 13 years ago, we had less than 20% as a down-payment and HAD to pay for Private Mortgage Insurance. We choose an ARM with the plan of locking in to a regular mortgage the following year and KNOWING that the rate could go up if we didn't.

We invested in renovating the house, its value went up so that our equity was greater than 20% and we could drop the PMI. We refinanced to a conventional mortgage at an attractive rate,

My point is: WHY weren't these subprime mortgagees required to have PMI?

774 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:59:25am

re: #772 Beach Lover

I live around Charlotte, too. Some stations had gas Friday night, police directing traffic thankfully. What a mess!

Catawba Co. Is driving on fumes.

775 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:59:42am

re: #769 realwest

Good morning Realwest! Everything's slicker and damper than an 0bama handshake up here. Looks like a good day to count the pennies in the penny jar. Hope everything's good with you. Got gas, yet?

776 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:59:59am

re: #753 Wishing

You have a stuffed cat?

I have a stuffed cat . He just finished eating and made his way back to bed. Ah what a life he leads.

777 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:01:39am

re: #763 Beach Lover
that is a hair raising article.

778 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:02:13am
779 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:02:38am

Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet... Where is Media?

Barack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.

Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.

/Lord Obama wouldn't stoop that low, would he?

780 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:02:48am

re: #772 Beach Lover
Uh, {Beach Lover} - all these years and I never knew you lived around Charlotte! (well, actually I guess it depends on what you mean by "around" - I'm actually what, 12 miles or so South of Charlotte! LOL!). Question is how many stations had gasoline on Friday night?! AND are there more Tanker Trucks coming in to the area?!

781 JustAGal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:03:33am

re: #773 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

When my EH and I bought our home 13 years ago, we had less than 20% as a down-payment and HAD to pay for Private Mortgage Insurance. We choose an ARM with the plan of locking in to a regular mortgage the following year and KNOWING that the rate could go up if we didn't.

We invested in renovating the house, its value went up so that our equity was greater than 20% and we could drop the PMI. We refinanced to a conventional mortgage at an attractive rate,

My point is: WHY weren't these subprime mortgagees required to have PMI?

Because the Bankers wanted the high yield note rates on the subprimes that ACORN and the rest of them pushed to provide or get sued. The Bankers "adjusted" rates for additional risk. They figured even if 20% of them go bad, we still make a TON of money.

782 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:04:01am

"Iran is a terrorist organization"
riiiiight...

783 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:05:14am

re: #779 Killian Bundy Obama's "me too" moment reminded me of my 3 year old.

784 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:05:24am

re: #775 Pullus Iulius
Good morning to you too! Well I don't know - Knitwit is reporting that a tanker full (?) of gas was in our area and it appears that there were some station in Charlotte proper that had some too, but I'm only going by what fellow LGFer's are sayin'!

785 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:06:51am

re: #774 ibmkeyboard
Hey IBM...yeah, by the time you hear of a station having gas...they are out. I live across the border in SC, and ours haven't had it since last Tues. Luckily I hit it right last week and got some in Charlotte, thought I was going to run out in line and have to be pushed up to the tank!
Hey {real} how are you this morning?

786 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:09:15am

re: #779 Killian Bundy
Good morning Killian - Obama wouldn't have to STOOP at all to get that low!
That's just an incredible story.
Gah!
Put that together with what I started off this thread (in the wee hours of the morning at #14 about local governmental voter intimdation) and I'm starting to believe that the Truth has already fallen off of Obama's bus!

787 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:09:16am

Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco

Because while the mortgage crisis convulsing Wall Street has its share of private-sector culprits they weren't the ones who "got us into this mess." Barney Frank's talking points notwithstanding, mortgage lenders didn't wake up one fine day deciding to junk long-held standards of creditworthiness in order to make ill-advised loans to unqualified borrowers. It would be closer to the truth to say they woke up to find the government twisting their arms and demanding that they do so - or else.

The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration. That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and "redlining" because urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than suburban whites.

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices. A manual issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston advised mortgage lenders to disregard financial common sense. "Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor," the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as "valid income sources" to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.

As long as housing prices kept rising, the illusion that all this was good public policy could be sustained. But it didn't take a financial whiz to recognize that a day of reckoning would come. "What does it mean when Boston banks start making many more loans to minorities?" I asked in this space in 1995. "Most likely, that they are knowingly approving risky loans in order to get the feds and the activists off their backs . . . When the coming wave of foreclosures rolls through the inner city, which of today's self-congratulating bankers, politicians, and regulators plans to take the credit?"

Frank doesn't. But his fingerprints are all over this fiasco. Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

/Chris Dodd is guilty as sin too

788 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:09:28am

re: #779 Killian Bundy

Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet... Where is Media?


/Lord Obama wouldn't stoop that low, would he?


surely, you jest!

789 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:09:57am
790 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:10:10am

re: #763 Beach Lover

So someone HAS connected the dots! Excelent article!

791 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:10:23am

re: #773 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning {goddess}

Our business included buyers obtaining real estate mortgages.

ALL mortgages with less than 20% down were REQUIRED to have PMI.

Interesting point, by the way. Wouldn't the PMIs cover most of this default money?

GOOD MORNING {realwest}!

Sitting here rolling the pennies as we speak. ;)

792 kcladderman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:14:09am

Off to the racetrack to watch those good old boys go round and round.
hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday.

793 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:14:53am

re: #763 Beach Lover

You get a great big dingy for that one.

794 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:15:27am

re: #773 goddessoftheclassroom Hey good morning to you {goddess}! Sure hope you're well this morning!
Uh, in answer to your question, see Community Reinvestment Act signed into law by Jimmy Carter and "revised" and signed into law by Bill Clinton.
Heck, y'all couldn't get away with 100% financing with something as expensive as PMI, now could you?!

795 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:15:31am

re: #780 realwest

Uh, {Beach Lover} - all these years and I never knew you lived around Charlotte! (well, actually I guess it depends on what you mean by "around" - I'm actually what, 12 miles or so South of Charlotte! LOL!). Question is how many stations had gasoline on Friday night?! AND are there more Tanker Trucks coming in to the area?!


I thought you knew that, well, at least that I lived near Charlotte, but work there and obviously have to drive there everyday! Anyway, I worked Friday night till 10, and when I came home there was a tanker at the station that is right on the state line at 77. It is cheaper than in NC, so always busy, but the other day, traffic tried up on 77 for miles trying to get to it. Of course, they ran out that day, and were out for a couple days, then Friday night had some again. I'm sure they are out now though. It will be hit & miss for a while, but hopefully this week we will be back to normal.

796 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:15:51am

re: #779 Killian Bundy

Another great find!

797 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:17:51am

Thanks for the links to relevant essays and videos.

This all makes be furious because it was a stupid risk, and the "old" system was more secure.

Sure, let's encourage home-ownership, but start with the RESPONSIBILITY at the foundation.

798 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:19:25am

re: #791 gettinby
Hey good morning {gettinby!} = well it was my understanding of the subprime lending "market" that PMI was dispensed with as was the requirement that a lender couldn't make a home equity line of credit loan a the same time they made a first mortgage purchase mortgage (i.e., they wanted folks to have accesss to 100% financing)!

799 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:19:42am

re: #789 ploome hineni

#773 goddessoftheclassroom

MUST READ

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

If this is indeed true, aren't there any "conservatives" around that would/could/should have starting YELLING about this? (not just "pointing it out" as was apparently done a recent few years ago)

800 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:19:46am

re: #794 realwest

when i linked that article a couple of days ago i had thought it was Dead. 4 clicks. , I had a horrible response( dread) as my husband did reading it so i'm glad this sprouted wings, Typical running with this and Knowing what the heck to do! thank her and yourself we need to nip this behavior NOW

801 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:20:08am

re: #772 Beach Lover

I live around Charlotte, too. Some stations had gas Friday night, police directing traffic thankfully. What a mess!

I guess we are truly blessed up here in New England. Not the first whisper of a gas shortage in the offing.

802 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:20:49am

re: #800 willowone
needs to be tied, with Kurtz wgn, acorn, etc.

803 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:21:12am

re: #779 Killian Bundy

I know nothing of NewsBusters, but it ain't the Onion.

804 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:21:17am

re: #787 Killian Bundy

There is no fear for anyone in the Democrat Party about shit like this coming back to bite them. The MSM will not call them on it and will in fact blame George Bush and the Republicans.

805 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #795 Beach Lover
Ah sorry {Beach Lover} I knew you lived south of the border(!) but didn't recall that you worked IN Charlotte! Wow, that's some commute y'all have there!

806 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:23:08am

Lizard Prayer List 9/28/08
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.


Thanksgivings
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
realwest: recovered from dental issues
vxhush: husband recovering well from rotator cuff surgery
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
Turn: diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma (cancer)
Dublic(CA)Dude - serious health issues
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
LeePro: major oral surgery in July
A Lizard who underwent surgery Monday, 8/17/08
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: cancer; mom Type II diabetes
Dolphin: friend Stan, open heart surgery
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Vxbush: waiting for results of tests for wheat allergy
MigueldowninMexico: recovering from stroke
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
LanceKates: dad’s continued recovery from surgery
Tarkus289: father is in hospital; may have pneumonia after two strokes and stage 7 Alzheimer'
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain; facing another surgery
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
USMC1968: cancer

Family, friend, and life situations:

gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
WriterMom: her son is recovering from recent surgery
x-wing: various
HoosierHoops: 3/5th Marines deploying to Afghanistan in January (son Jordan is a platoon leader)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
Jcm: best result for new foster daughter
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Vxbush: daughter traveling overseas
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Sarah: and her husband in the process of moving to Arizona for husband’s schooling
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
wolfie: nephew (USAR) who is being sent into the thick of things in Iraq.
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Maximus: son reports for active duty in August.
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids; losing cousin and aunt within 4 months
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

Community issues:

Our country facing financial challenges & the election
Georgia/Ossetia
Those dealing with the hurricanes
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

807 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:23:33am

re: #781 JustAGal

Because the Bankers wanted the high yield note rates on the subprimes that ACORN and the rest of them pushed to provide or get sued. The Bankers "adjusted" rates for additional risk. They figured even if 20% of them go bad, we still make a TON of money.

As a matter of fact, they adjusted those interest rates SO much that a good many were set up to go bad.

808 Knitwit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:24:01am

re: #771 realwest
'Morning, rw! Sorry about the bialys (i.e., lack thereof). I was down to 1/8 tank and couldn't afford any "ridin' around," as it used to be called.

809 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:24:54am

re: #791 gettinby
Hey and btw, where'd y'all get pennies from?!? I thought we had done away with hard currency! LOL!

810 yah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:26:22am

re: #735 Tigger2005


Surely Fox News can't continue to ignore the story about the Missouri prosecutors, can they? I mean, this story is juicy red meat!

Fox was probably sent a "message" to say nothing negative about Obama or be dragged to court. I think this was done a couple of weeks ago.

811 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:26:47am

re: #809 realwest

Hey and btw, where'd y'all get pennies from?!? I thought we had done away with hard currency! LOL!

My daughter has been throwing her spare change into a quart canning jar at night so as not to have it rolling around in her back pack all day. Last week she took it down to the store and put it through the change machine - $73 and some change, after the machine took a cut.

812 gettinby  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #798 realwest

Hey good morning {gettinby!} = well it was my understanding of the subprime lending "market" that PMI was dispensed with as was the requirement that a lender couldn't make a home equity line of credit loan a the same time they made a first mortgage purchase mortgage (i.e., they wanted folks to have accesss to 100% financing)!

Hmmm. Well, I suppose then that we only worked with mortgage brokers who had some personal ethics/responsibility, because we NEVER found a lender (thru the brokers) with 100% financing. The lowest down payment lending we found was FHA.

How are you doing?!

813 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:29:16am

re: #806 goddessoftheclassroom

Geeesh. I'm behind here. I printed it. I have no idea how I'm going to include all of these folks today, but I'm going to offer our evening prayers for at least some of them.

814 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:30:24am

re: #800 willowone
Ah, I gather you're referring to my #14? Well Typicalwhitely LIVES IN Missouri and saw it on TV and said what the heck (well, ok it wasn't heck but she is a lady so ya know.....) and posted something on yesterday morning's DT about it and I encouraged her to report that D.A.'s and Sheriff's in certain counties in Missouri were intentionally acting as Obama Truth Squads, at the request of the Obama campaign - while on the public's payroll - I suggested that she report it to the FBI and the FEC. She did and then faxed it to about eleventy-million other people as well - including the US Attorney Steve Limbaugh - yeah, first cousin to Rush - and other TV stations and radio stations and the FBI and everyone I could think of and a lot I didn't think of!
As I said in #14, we all ought to be PROUD AS HELL OF LGF'er Typicalwhitey!

815 JustAGal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:30:35am

re: #807 galloping granny

As a matter of fact, they adjusted those interest rates SO much that a good many were set up to go bad.

Absolutely! Sick, sick, sick and they made their money anyway and now some even getting big golden parachutes. SICK !

816 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:33:05am

re: #801 galloping granny
Good morning galloping granny! Oh yeah, when anyone even see's a tanker truck, cars down here start to follow it like the pied piper HOPING it has gasoline!
It's really, really bad down here. There are entire counties in what's called the Southwestern Piedmont that haven't had gasoline deliveries in weeks!

817 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:34:37am

re: #814 realwest

i would really , really, like this to be connected to WYN, Acorn, voter suppression , chaos at many caucus- probably intentional, delegates intimidated.(check out puma confluence site), and now Missouri,

maybe it would be enough printed on front page ; to remind voters of either party ' IS this really what you want.'

818 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:34:44am

re: #806 goddessoftheclassroomHey {goddess} just wanted to thank you, again, for being the Keeper of The List. Thank you very much.

819 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:35:09am

re: #813 Cap'n DOC

Geeesh. I'm behind here. I printed it. I have no idea how I'm going to include all of these folks today, but I'm going to offer our evening prayers for at least some of them.

Maybe you could just pray for "the folks on the LGF prayer list" and let G_d sort it out :)

820 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:35:30am

re: #810 yah

I think Gov. Blunt has made a statement about this already.

Despite the somewhat slanted article, it is getting some MSM play, although not nearly enough.

821 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:36:03am

spell check WGN for above comment

822 sparrowlake  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:36:31am

re: #779 Killian Bundy

Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet... Where is Media?

/Lord Obama wouldn't stoop that low, would he?

TRANSCRIPT
Brian Jopek: Because of some of the negative feedback she's gotten on the Internet, you know Internet blogs, you know people accusing her of... or accusing Obama of trying to get votes doing it... and that sort of thing.
Radio Host Moberg: Yeah
Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn't want it to get turned into something that it wasn't. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don't think he's...
Moberg: It has been a while since he's brought it up.
Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that's his own choice. I mean that's something Barack Obama, that's a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to... Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he's still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him.
Moberg: Maybe there's a difference between wearing it and making a point to bring it up in your speeches?

I hope his scumsucking tongue gets nailed to the wall over this.

823 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:37:18am

re: #808 Knitwit
Hey Knitwit - please don't apologize for it - I truly understand - Mom and I were fortunate enough to get me to the dentist and get to the Bank and the Supremarket and home again before our Cab Driver had to call it a day!
He finally did get gas on Saturday morning somewhere in Charlotte, but had to be "pushed to the pump" cause he ran out of gas while on line!
Hope you're doing ok today!

824 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:38:04am

re: #822 sparrowlake

I hope his scumsucking tongue gets nailed to the wall over this.

That won't happen and we both know it. Dollars to donuts that if the story makes the MSM press at all then it will be spun to portray the father of the soldier quoted in this aisle as a bitter ex husband just making it all up.

825 yah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:38:05am

re: #814 realwest

I wish we could keep a list of lizards that take action and actually accomplish good things like TypicalWhitey and Zombie do- Kinda like Goddessoftheclassroom list above. Might inspire some of to take action when we see others doing it. Charles did make a really big difference in the last election with rathergate.

826 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:39:11am

re: #820 Cap'n DOC from article;


Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement


JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.


“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.


“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.


“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.


“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

827 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:39:42am

re: #822 sparrowlake

We'll have to look carefully to see what happens to the bracelet. It may go the way of Kerry's magic hat.

/"Have you been swift-boated lately, Sen. Obama?"

828 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:40:22am

re: #812 gettinby
Well I'm doing more or less ok, thanks! And I read some statistic from The American Mortgage Banker's Association or some such trade group that said in the last 5 years or so, 45% of all home were purchased with 100% financing - 90% 1st Mtg, 10% home equity line of credit 2nd Mtg.
Unfreakingbeleivable!

829 willowone  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:40:35am

re: #824 galloping granny
i wonder if the Jopeks will still vote for Him

830 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:41:21am

Sorry about going back on-topic so late in a thread, but I don't think anyone noticed this ... from the article:

"But unlike modern birds, whose ancestors lost their teeth through evolutionary processes, Dasornis had bony "pseudo-teeth" (true teeth are made of enamel and dentine)."

Does this imply that birds lost their teeth due to chewing juicy fruit?

831 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:42:20am

re: #819 galloping granny
That's pretty much what I do - pray for everyone on the List (except myself; it just doesn't seem right to pray for myself, ya know?).

832 Sparkizzy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:43:40am

Bwahahah.

I'm not in Missouri, but I'm sure many of my readers are. MO readers: let's just start making stuff up about Obama. You know, to mess with 'em.

I'll start.

Fact: Did you know that Barack Obama once had a gay sex orgy with the entire offensive line of the 2003 Nebraska Cornhuskers? I'm willing to swear an affidavit to it and take a lie detector test.

Viral attacks are where it's at in 2008!

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

833 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:44:09am

re: #820 Cap'n DOC
Yes it is! And as I said in #14 above, LGFer Typicalwhitey really started shoving the boulders out of the way on this - hell, just do a search on her name for comments she made IN THIS THREAD early on in the thread as to whom she's notified and all.

834 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:47:04am
835 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:47:26am

re: #831 realwest

That's pretty much what I do - pray for everyone on the List (except myself; it just doesn't seem right to pray for myself, ya know?).

hey, we gotcha covered! But, it never hurts to paray for God's will, IMHO!Off to work,now...have a great day, lizards!

836 Beach Lover  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:48:33am

#835 PIMF pray

837 Stonemason  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:48:37am

re: #828 realwest

My wife and I make about $100,000 per year, one child support payment and two teenage boys that live with us. We over came our past stupidity that resulted in credit scores in the 500 range by living hard for 6 years or so. when we could finally get out of the rental cycle we only had about 3% to put down in our area. Yes, we could have moved to the inner city of Coatesville PA and paid less for the house and more in taxes and changed our kids to that failing district but we chose to stay where we were.

We are paying the mortgage and plan on continuing to do so. The house has lost about $20,000 in 'value' based on others selling right now, but we are still and a very desirable area that will come back faster than most.

My mortgage was almost 100% and I am a guy with a union first job and a well paying second job (hence the stonemason moniker)...just wanted folks to know that not all the 100% mortgages were made to bad people.

838 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:48:56am

re: #825 yah
I sorta have mixed emotions about that. I mean, as far as I'm concerned Charles SAVED the '04 election.
No Joke at all.
But goddess would have to do a lot more than just have people report their own or others illnesses - she'd need some way to verify what people claim they've done. I think letting doing good being it's own reward is the best answer - I just posted #14, because I was SO impressed with the way Typicalwhitey really faxed EVERYONE - the other supposedly competing TV stations, radio Stations, the Govenor, all of Missouri's congresscritters, the FBI, the Justice Department - you name 'em and she wrote to 'em! Spent an entire Saturday (by my count at least 14 hours on it) doing it too!

839 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:50:54am

re: #831 realwest

That's pretty much what I do - pray for everyone on the List (except myself; it just doesn't seem right to pray for myself, ya know?).

YOU ARE SO MISTAKEN! (you know I say this with love)

Prayer is communion with the Lord. Expressing praise, thankfulness, contrition, and yes, need, is absolutely appropriate. Dozens in the Bible prayed for themselves--Job, David, Noah, Jesus, etc.

Prayer acknowledges Someone (or at least something) greater than yourself to whom (or to which) you turn.

The Lord welcomes all prayers and hears them all. However, He doesn't always answer them the way we want, and sometimes the answer is no.

840 opnion  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:51:38am

Good Morning. I was surprised that Mcain never mentioned Tony Rezko during the debate. In the SNL parody it came up.
John Kass reporting in Today's Chicago Tribune is reporting that Rezko is thinking of cooperating with the Feds.
That could be vary bad for Obama. If Rezko is convinced that Obama is going to win & give him a pardon, no deal with the Feds.

841 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:53:56am

re: #837 Stonemason

{Stonemason}

Of course not! You had a job and an improved credit rating that demonstrated that you were worth the risk. Most importantly, you have a sense of responsibility and honor to pay your debt instead of walking away from it and making it someone else's problem.

842 reine.de.tout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:54:15am

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843 Stonemason  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:55:14am

re: #841 goddessoftheclassroom

thanks for the kind words GOTC

now to stop lurking and git to services...

844 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:55:54am

re: #834 goddessoftheclassroom

Why would we want to stay on topic on a Sunday morning?

MWAH!

MWAH!

PERFECT!

845 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:56:56am

re: #844 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

PERFECT!

Don't you mean purrfect? :)

846 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:58:39am

re: #829 willowone

i wonder if the Jopeks will still vote for Him

Doesn't sound like Mr. Jopek intended to vote for him in the first place. I see Obama is trying his strong arm police state tactics in PA too regarding television advertising. I really hope Charles sees his way to putting up a thread about this. We need to make a lot of noise about this.

847 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:58:41am

re: #837 Stonemason
Hey Stonemason - I wasn't blaming the borrowers, but the Lenders who allowed this to happen - giving 100% mortgages to folks who's own income disclosures would have indicated that they couldn't make the mortgage payments was, IMO, criminal.
What you and yours have done is what a LOT of Americans have done; SOME have abused the system, but many folks who purchased with 100% financing didn't know what they were doing and the mortgage brokers and lenders sure didn't go out of their way to explain it to 'em.
I think you should be damn proud for what you've done for you and your family - but you did it knowing what you were getting into; a lot of borrowers didn't - hell, watch some HGTV - especially "My First House" and "Property Virgins" just to see how many buyers don't know that there are MONTHLY common charges payable to the Condo association or the homeowner's association and don't know that their monthly P&I payments to the bank DON'T include the monthly payment of real estate taxes, insurance and what not when they "lock in" on a home to purchase. Seriously, many of the buyers were duped into buying these houses at what were inflated values in the first place.

848 reine.de.tout  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:58:44am

re: #825 yah

I wish we could keep a list of lizards that take action and actually accomplish good things like TypicalWhitey and Zombie do- Kinda like Goddessoftheclassroom list above. Might inspire some of to take action when we see others doing it. Charles did make a really big difference in the last election with rathergate.

That would be a great list, but people do take action, although in a smaller way.

There are people here who find support and information, and a voice for what they have to say, who then confront the idiocy they see in their day to day lives.

So what you describe does happen, just in a smaller way.

849 Miss Trixie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:00:13am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We've a coolish, drizzly day in the valley - just right for vegging and watching an old movie or two. Perhaps a little home cookin' this afternoon to pass the time ... :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoochies* *huggles* Doing alright today?

850 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:00:52am

re: #845 goddessoftheclassroom

Don't you mean purrfect? :)

I see you added another claws to the discussion.

851 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:02:24am

re: #850 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see you added another claws to the discussion.

Oh, well done!

852 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #846 galloping granny
Hey galloping granny - I hope he does too - I reported your comment (as I reported a LOT of Typicalwhitey's comments early in this thread) in the hope that Charles would do a thread about this. As bad as Kerry was, he never - to my knowledge - had district attornies and Sheriff's departments intimidating voters so that they wouldn't say anything "bad" about Obama - and according to the two dumbshits on that Missouri TV stations interview, they said, ON VIDEOTAPE that they were gonna do it AND that they were gonna do that at the request of the Obama Campaign!

853 YankeeBoy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:04:37am

Good morning Lizards

854 flynmudd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:04:47am

re: #806 goddessoftheclassroom

Please add my son to the prayer list. He is currently deployed in the ME. Thank you for your consideration.

855 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:05:43am

re: #851 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, well done!

That's the leash the kitteh could do ... even though she's not going of her own a'cord.

856 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:05:46am

re: #849 Miss Trixie
Hey {Miss Trixie} *smooches* and hugs back to you!
Yeah, I'm doing ok today, but I'm really, really tired.
Hope you are doing fine and that Lil Miss is still terrorizing the 'hood!

857 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:05:47am

re: #854 flynmudd

Done.

858 opnion  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:06:04am

Lindsay Grahm & Jaques Francois Kerry now on Fox with Chris Wallace.
Painful!

859 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:06:07am

BBIAAM!

860 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:06:12am

re: #837 Stonemason

My wife and I make about $100,000 per year, one child support payment and two teenage boys that live with us. We over came our past stupidity that resulted in credit scores in the 500 range by living hard for 6 years or so. when we could finally get out of the rental cycle we only had about 3% to put down in our area. Yes, we could have moved to the inner city of Coatesville PA and paid less for the house and more in taxes and changed our kids to that failing district but we chose to stay where we were.

We are paying the mortgage and plan on continuing to do so. The house has lost about $20,000 in 'value' based on others selling right now, but we are still and a very desirable area that will come back faster than most.

My mortgage was almost 100% and I am a guy with a union first job and a well paying second job (hence the stonemason moniker)...just wanted folks to know that not all the 100% mortgages were made to bad people.

The daughter I live with is in the same situation, except that the town reevaluated everyone's property 5 weeks after she purchased and the taxes doubled, then the interest rate went up by 2% and the housing market tanked, so she can't sell the place for enough to even pay off the mortgage. To boot, there were some hidden problems with the house that the home inspection did not reveal, so we have had a constant plumbing problem throughout the house. She's been working two jobs since the day she moved in, but the combined mortgage, taxes and water is now $2750 a month on a house with a 110% tax value of $149K. Before she puts a drop of oil in the tank at $5 a gallon or we turn on a single light. She has been moving heaven and earth to try to fix things, but will probably lose the house anyway. And she has never had a single irresponsible day in her life. She's just single.

861 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:06:51am

re: #855 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's the leash the kitteh could do ... even though she's not going of her own a'cord.

Oh, you're so punny!

862 Geepers  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 7:07:17am

Not that you