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Politics | Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:56:16 am PDT

Associated Press Democratic shill Ron Fournier is working overtime promoting the view that if Barack Obama loses the election, racism will be to blame.

In every other circumstance the Associated Press avoids printing racial slurs, even in quotations, and uses phrases like “the N word” instead. But for some reason in this article there it is—“the N word,” spelled out in all its ugliness, big as life.

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1 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:58:06am

a political tar baby?

2 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:58:10am

Desperation.........................

3 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:59:17am

Tired of this bullshit. I would vote for Michael Steele in a heartbeat.

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 8:59:25am
"They" are whites who say Obama is unqualified when they really mean he's black.

Uh- no. "Unqualified" is not code speak. It's just the truth, ap. Deal with it.

5 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:00:24am

please don't throw me in the white house.

6 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:00:26am

re: #4 Sharmuta

Uh- no. "Unqualified" is not code speak. It's just the truth, ap. Deal with it.

exactly sharm

7 the_flying_pig  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:00:29am

Will race-cards be distributed to those angry about Obama's loss in the election due to racism?

8 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:00:36am

Taking advice from a barber and using a bunch of anecdotes?

9 jonathan1984  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:00:59am

They'll find a way to blame it on some low-ranking intern - but not before it sees print all around the world. Serves the AP right.

10 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:01:49am

Unqualified is unqualified, period.

11 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:02:36am

I thought unqualified was code for inept... sorta like "progressive" is code for socialist.

12 Elcid  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:02:47am

"racism will be to blame."

Believe that was the strategy from the start. The big clue was, a 44 year old woman that just became "proud of her country".

13 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:02:53am

This article is absurd. They pick a handful of blatantly racist incidents to somehow someway try and portray that attitude on anyone who winds up NOT voting for Obama.

So a few racist crackpots in Detroit (of all places to sample) are ignorant bigots who don't even understand politics. Now all of a sudden anyone who won't vote for him gets put in the category. Give me a break.

Someone in my building called Palin a bimbo, said Ayers and Wright were right wing propaganda, and that they weren't voting for McCain because "he had twelve houses" even though this person owns three.

What the hell is going on in this world.

14 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:04:14am

I had read where B-HO is only 6.5% Black, 50% White, and the rest is of Arab descent. So, if this lineage is true, how CAN he be "black"...

He is unqualified, plain and simple; regardless of what is used to gauge B-HOs readiness to lead.

15 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:04:19am

The real hardcore racists will be the ones rioting when Obamassieh loses in possibly the largest landslide election in our lifetime and the dem party cracks/splinters/implodes completely...

16 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:04:42am

Let me spell it out for you ap.

0bama could be white, and John McCain could be black. 0bama would still be unqualified and I would vote for John McCain over him in a heartbeat.

I know this goes against your little meme that we're all racists if we don't vote for your hero, but it's the truth. Keep pushing your meme, however. You're now in euro territory where we don't like outsiders telling us how to vote. We will not be guilted into voting for 0bama no matter how hard you push this on us, and I suspect you're creating more blowback. So go on with your meme- blowback's a bitch.

17 vapig  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:04:43am

Anticipation of defeat? I'll deal with their slurs as long as barry misses his incoranation!

18 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:05:35am

What a bunch of bunk and hokum! Whites - and more than a few blacks and whole lot of Latinos - view Obama as unqualified for the presidency because he has no qualifications, not because he is half black.

19 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:05:36am

re: #14 6pat6

I had read where B-HO is only 6.5% Black, 50% White, and the rest is of Arab descent. So, if this lineage is true, how CAN he be "black"...

They sell t-shirts in Union Sq here that say "Obama is the new black" (from that Tracy Morgan line). Well...if that is true, doesn't that mean the new black is half white?

20 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:05:41am

re: #13 Sizzlack

This article is absurd. They pick a handful of blatantly racist incidents to somehow someway try and portray that attitude on anyone who winds up NOT voting for Obama.

So a few racist crackpots in Detroit (of all places to sample) are ignorant bigots who don't even understand politics. Now all of a sudden anyone who won't vote for him gets put in the category. Give me a break.

Someone in my building called Palin a bimbo, said Ayers and Wright were right wing propaganda, and that they weren't voting for McCain because "he had twelve houses" even though this person owns three.

What the hell is going on in this world.

siz. Its called communist propaganda. There are people who want to see the United states remade according to their vision and they are willing to do anything, say anything to see it happen.

My Marine sweetie tells people flat out "ITs not that hes black that bugs me, its that the damn bastard's RED."

21 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:05:43am

I asked yesterday on another thread about the percentages involved in the vote. What percentage of those who can vote are African American (to be pc here)? Anybody know? Playin' the race card when there are so many other things that are wrong with this Racist/Marxist/Socialist/MachineBaby that I can't believe we're even discussing race here.

22 bill-tb  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:06:07am

I go with desperation -- Especially after the thrashing the Admiral gave to the Jr on Friday.

23 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:06:50am

re: #20 Karagush

Whoa. I'm stashin' that last line.

24 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:06:59am

"Incident"
by Langston Hughes

Once riding in old Baltimore,
Heart-filled, head-filled with glee,
I saw a Baltimorean
Keep looking straight at me.

Now I was eight and very small,
And he was no whit bigger,
And so I smiled, but he poked out
His tongue, and called me, "N-----."

I saw the whole of Baltimore
From May until December;
Of all the things that happened there
That's all that I remember.

25 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:07:44am

re: #13 Sizzlack

Agreed. The MSM is getting more and more desparate every day to get their candidate B-HO, and you will see more and more articles like the one quoted as "evidence" that the US is an evil, racist place and that B-HO is our only way to peace! If B-HO is not elected, the US MUST be a racist, hater nation and the MSM, along with all of the other race-baters out there, will go completely apeshit come the day after the election.

Hell, they'll demand a recount, even if McCain wins by twenty points!

26 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #3 rightwinger3

Tired of this bullshit. I would vote for Michael Steele in a heartbeat.

You and me both. There also was a young black congressman from TN I liked quite some bit a few years back. Ford, I think his name was. Don't know whether he was D or R, but he seemed to be a straight shooter. I would vote - and will - for Bobby Jindall in a heart beat.

27 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:08:08am

The clothes continue to lack an Emperor.

28 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:08:57am

re: #13 Sizzlack

So a few racist crackpots in Detroit (of all places to sample) are ignorant bigots who don't even understand politics. Now all of a sudden anyone who won't vote for him gets put in the category. Give me a break.

Two words:

Kwame Kilpatrick

29 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:09:09am

re: #23 Cap'n DOC

Whoa. I'm stashin' that last line.

Thx Cap. Its the boy's. Obama and all he does and says makes him spitting mad. He just deployed and gave me boxes of MREs and made sure i could shoot my rifle and had plenty of ammo, before he left. Just in case. He thinks no matter what, this situtation is gonna get ugly, win or lose. Mostly due to those damn Agitators.

30 uncle_monkey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:09:28am

They're getting so desperate they've put down the trowel and trying to lay the guilt on with a friggin' backhoe. Unfortunately for them, the guilt trip only seems to work on progressives who want to feel good, and this is one Native American who gets guilty over nuthin' to do with color.

31 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:09:37am

re: #8 MandyManners

Taking advice from a barber and using a bunch of anecdotes?

It's almost like anthropology, only it's cheap!

32 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:10:17am

The "Racism" claim the left keeps throwing out there holds as much water as the claim that the GOP is a club for rich white men.

A Republican takes the bold step of selecting a popular, competent woman as his VP and the left, along with the media, just crucify him for it. The exact same thing will happen when Republicans select a black man to run for president.

It has nothing to do with race!

33 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:10:23am

What is funny (well, not really funny as much as it is sick) is that the AP says "they" when talking about whites who are opposed to Obama, but also rail against those same whites for using "they" to describe blacks. Isn't this the same thing? So much for rising above the fray on this one, and there is a specific reason for doing this. It is called race baiting, and fear mongering. Using race as the issue by trying to force guilt on someone to vote a specific way is their goal. God forbid we actually judge someone on their content, not on their color.

It is like the salt calling the sugar white.

34 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:10:35am

re: #29 Karagush

He thinks no matter what, this situtation is gonna get ugly, win or lose. Mostly due to those damn Agitators.

Dontcha mean - "community organizers"!

35 Red Cloud  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:10:39am

I'm starting to get genuinely scared of what might happen after the election regardless of the result. If the Savior of Mankind loses as well he should, this nonsense will be played non-stop.

If he should win... heaven help us all.

36 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:11:05am

re: #33 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Amen!

37 DaddyO  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:11:25am

I'll take your N word and raise you a Quack

38 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:11:44am

Lefties are such hypocrites. Where were they for Steele in Maryland or Blackwell in Ohio? Hmmmm? Nowhere. Instead, Steele and Blackwell were subjected to vile attacks from the left BECAUSE they are black. It's just that the left thinks it's ok to do that when the blacks aren't Democrats. Because in their minds, people of color are supposed to all think alike which is as absurd as presuming that all whites think alike.

39 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:11:49am

And an article about the rampant sexism in this election and how far gender relations have slipped in this country will be published when?

*crickets*

40 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:11:50am

re: #14 6pat6

I had read where B-HO is only 6.5% Black, 50% White, and the rest is of Arab descent. So, if this lineage is true, how CAN he be "black"...

He is unqualified, plain and simple; regardless of what is used to gauge B-HOs readiness to lead.

The thing is - and I cannot emphasize this enough - it is Barrak Hussein Obama who has put himself in the "black" box and he himself who has insisted that he be viewed as black. He himself, has adopted the old Jim Crow "one drop" law that we outlawed nearly 50 years ago.

Any racism to be blamed when it comes to Barrak Hussein Obama and how people view his "color" is soley the result of Obama's own choices.

41 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:12:40am

re: #26 galloping granny

You and me both. There also was a young black congressman from TN I liked quite some bit a few years back. Ford, I think his name was. Don't know whether he was D or R, but he seemed to be a straight shooter. I would vote - and will - for Bobby Jindall in a heart beat.

Harold Ford (D). Yeah he has a good head on his shoulders as well.

42 Geepers  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:12:45am
White working-class Detroiters fled the city in droves, many to Macomb County and its working-class suburbs north of 8 Mile Road. Detroit's white-flighters were among the first to be dubbed "Reagan Democrats" — socially conservative, economically progressive, mostly Catholic voters who abandoned the Democratic Party for the GOP, in part because Republicans exploited their racial fears.

Boy them Republicans is evil as them Democrats is dumb.

43 Bobblehead  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:11am

If Obama loses the election, as I fervently hope he does, it will be because he is a stone cold Marxist.

44 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:12am

i couldn't vote for kerry for a number of reasons.....but when he turned orange, that sealed the deal

45 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:19am

No worries. Clinton has already said he will go get the "cracker vote" in Florida.

46 Macker  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:27am

It's so damn sad that racism still exists in the United States of America. And it probably always will.
I was shopping in a Wal-Mart last Sunday when sure enough, I had to take a dump in the Men's Room. What do I find...some graffiti scrawled on the wall with "Obama is a N*gg*r...Kill All N*gg*rs" and swastikas galore.
Only thing was...all the swastikas were drawn FACING THE LEFT. Which is, of course, the wrong way when one is espousing such hateful vitriol.

Damn shame...damn shame.

/TROOPS

47 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:34am

re: #7 the_flying_pig

Will race-cards be distributed to those angry about Obama's loss in the election due to racism?

If Obama loses I would stay away from urban areas for a long time unless you thought what happened to Reginald Denny was a fun way to get brain damage.

48 Edgar[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:41am
49 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:13:47am

Only if Obama were Dennis Haysbert in '24'. He'd have my vote in a second. As long as Jack Bauer were the Secretary of Defense.

50 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:10am

re: #43 Bobblehead

If Obama loses the election, as I fervently hope he does, it will be because he is a stone cold Marxist.

Huh? Where did you get the idea that he's a Marxist?

51 Cap'n DOC  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:15am

re: #40 galloping granny

I've got a laugh at that one. Knew an Irish woman that said it only took one drop of Irish blood to purify all the rest.

52 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:21am

re: #35 Red Cloud

Arm up and keep the powder dry. I want to be able to defend myself and my family if things really go to Hell; which is a strong possibility when B-HO loses by twenty points! Watch all of the "tolerant and progressive" ones go batshit crazy in the streets. And, that is not at all out of the question, unfortunately.

Just a suggestion.

53 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:23am
54 rb4269  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:29am

"The word that dare not speak its name"

The left liberal mania for euphemism has reached comic proportions. It is the true manifestation of Orwell's "crime stop". They have a word or words fully formed in their consciousness and articulated internally but prohibit themselves from uttering or writing them in order to prevent commission of a thought crime.

55 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:36am

re: #26 galloping granny

You and me both. There also was a young black congressman from TN I liked quite some bit a few years back. Ford, I think his name was. Don't know whether he was D or R, but he seemed to be a straight shooter. I would vote - and will - for Bobby Jindall in a heart beat.


Harold Ford Jr.

56 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:06am

re: #21 Cap'n DOC

I asked yesterday on another thread about the percentages involved in the vote. What percentage of those who can vote are African American (to be pc here)? Anybody know? Playin' the race card when there are so many other things that are wrong with this Racist/Marxist/Socialist/MachineBaby that I can't believe we're even discussing race here.

Well, US Census data shows the US to still be about 80% white. A good chunk of the remaining 20 is Latino - that is a separate Census category. And some of it is American Indian or Asian. I would guess 10% or so characterize themselves as black.

57 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:08am

re: #49 Sizzlack

Only if Obama were Dennis Haysbert in '24'. He'd have my vote in a second. As long as Jack Bauer were the Secretary of Defense.


Dennis Haysbert is a troofer. Right?

58 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:11am

I have noted that we have one person reporting that her children were referred to by a racial slur. Supposedly, racism is rampant and open, and we're all still horribly divided. Yet, it's not witnessed by the reporter. It's not caught on tape. It's relayed by a person with a grievance.

Go figure.

59 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:34am

How about the "H" word that is never uttered, 0bambi's middle name?

60 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:41am

re: #3 rightwinger3

Tired of this bullshit. I would vote for Michael Steele in a heartbeat.

Heh,I voted for Lynn Swann. And I'm one of those clingy types.

61 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:36am

re: #57 kansas

Dennis Haysbert is a troofer. Right?

Is he? Well if he is in reality I would def not vote for him. But as President Palmer I think I would.

62 Macker  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:43am

re: #28 victor_yugo

At least THAT crooked bastard is finally going to JAIL!

63 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #35 Red Cloud

I'm starting to get genuinely scared of what might happen after the election regardless of the result. If the Savior of Mankind loses as well he should, this nonsense will be played non-stop.

If he should win... heaven help us all.

Win, lose or draw it isn't going to be pretty.

64 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:02am

re: #57 kansas

Dennis Haysbert is a troofer. Right?

AND a BHO supporter.

65 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:57am

re: #45 Racer X

No worries. Clinton has already said he will go get the "cracker vote" in Florida.

Yeah, after them Joooos are done celebrating their holiday.

66 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #59 itellu3times

How about the "H" word that is never uttered, 0bambi's middle name?

Man, who cares what his middle name is? It's been proven that he is not a Muslim.

So what the hell is the point of emphasizing the "HUSSEIN"? To make him sound like an Arab? To suggest that he's related to Saddam Hussein?

67 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:33am

This article is how the Alinsky Machine makes a Molotov Cocktail.

68 rb4269[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:59am
69 Dianna[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:17am
70 surferdoc  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:19am

God help the first black man or woman who runs for President or VP as a Republican. These same liberals will destroy him/her. Hypocritical scum.

71 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:44am

re: #3 rightwinger3

Tired of this bullshit. I would vote for Michael Steele in a heartbeat.

"rw3" -

And Thomas Sowell as Sec. Treasury sounds like a WINNER to me.

-S-

72 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:06am

re: #66 Edgar

Man, who cares what his middle name is? It's been proven that he is not a Muslim.

So what the hell is the point of emphasizing the "HUSSEIN"? To make him sound like an Arab? To suggest that he's related to Saddam Hussein?


Well I'm pretty sure that Harry Hitler Truman would not have defeated Thomas Dewey after WWII.

73 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:06am

I'm getting really sick of being called a racist because I won't vote for Obama. I have been raised to not notice the color of someone's skin; something I am working overtime to make sure is instilled in both of my kids. I vote for people based on their qualifications, not on their skin color. What really irks me about this racism issue is that it does nothing but fuel the fires of those white supremacist groups and serves to continually rip open the wounds of the past that were slowly beginning to heal. Don't call me a racist, you don't know me. Oh and Jesse Jackson and the rest of your ilk, go pound sand.

74 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #69 Dianna

The big deal is that, usually, they'd find a way around it, even if it was "n.......". It is exceptional that they will print that particular racial slur, even in a quote.

You see?

Yeah, I always found that weird. The word itself is not obscene--just highly offensive.

75 bbuddha  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:26am

re: #35 Red Cloud

I'm afraid that is the desired end result. It is a not very veiled threat. Elect our guy or there will be riots.
If this guy is elected everything will be about race. It will be a very long 4 years.
I hope that we, as a country, are smarter than this but every day I run across another Obama supporter, scary

76 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:27am

re: #44 phoenixgirl

i couldn't vote for kerry for a number of reasons.....but when he turned orange, that sealed the deal

You owe me a new keyboard. lol!

77 Globular Cluster  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:33am

So does this new bailout agreement still contain pork for ACORN?

78 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:09am

I think it was during the Watts riots of the 60s, the day happened to be going quietly, nothing going down, and journalists called out to some blacks, asking them to break something so they could get some good footage.

/that was far less harmful

79 Lawrence Schmerel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:34am

Basically Ron Fournier is saying: "If you don't vote for my candidate, you are a racist." It is a variant of "Gimme what I want or I hate you." I know how he feels, but I haven't shared those sentiments since preschool.

80 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #72 kansas

Well I'm pretty sure that Harry Hitler Truman would not have defeated Thomas Dewey after WWII.

Well, people called a Canadian Prime Ministerial candidate in the same era "Diefen- Bahker" instead of "baker" to make him sound German.

It was stupid then, and it's stupid now.

81 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:41am

re: #21 Cap'n DOC
Uh, Cap'n - pc these days is back to Black Americans.
Seems the Black People coming here in droves from the Caribbean Islands resented being called African Americans.*
Didn't you get the memo?

*No joke here folks - some of the "nurse assistants I had were from Jamaica and Dominican Republic and when I used the term "African American" they REALLY got bent out of shape and LECTURED me that THEY weren't from Africa and that they were BLACK!

82 addison  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:17am

Even if everything he writes is true, the only racists who matter are those of his ilk, Democrats.

The idea that a Republican was pondering voting for a neo-Marxist, monetary-redistributionist [sic], terrorist-and-Anti-American-befriending, infanticide-supporting, sophistic, platitude-spouting, unalloyed Leftist except for that pesky fact of his brown skin is asinine.

But this goes to the larger problem of Democrats and the Left in particular: when they lose elections it is never because their ideas or policies are wrong.

Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry all lost and they all lost, according to our intellectual and moral betters on the Left, because of scare tactics or cheating, never because the American people took an assessment of the men and came back unimpressed.

83 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:35am

re: #77 Globular Cluster

So does this new bailout agreement still contain pork for ACORN?

GC -

As now written - NO, I wait however for the Conference Report.

-S-

84 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:44am

re: #73 Jetpilot1101

I'm getting really sick of being called a racist because I won't vote for Obama. I have been raised to not notice the color of someone's skin; something I am working overtime to make sure is instilled in both of my kids. I vote for people based on their qualifications, not on their skin color. What really irks me about this racism issue is that it does nothing but fuel the fires of those white supremacist groups and serves to continually rip open the wounds of the past that were slowly beginning to heal. Don't call me a racist, you don't know me. Oh and Jesse Jackson and the rest of your ilk, go pound sand.

One other thing. And awful lot of the black community screaming about "racism" are every bit as racist towards those they view as white as any white racist is towards black. See Jeremiah God-Damn Amerika Wright for starters.

85 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:02am

re: #80 Edgar

Well, people called a Canadian Prime Ministerial candidate in the same era "Diefen- Bahker" instead of "baker" to make him sound German.

It was stupid then, and it's stupid now.


Making up something is stupid. Not being able to tell the truth is Orwellian.

86 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:58am

I like the guy quoted in the article who doesn't want to choose between either a black man or a woman. Not.

87 kynna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:43am

I am noticing that my eight-year-old daughter is very good at questioning these memes. It's probably me telling her the other side of the story all the time, but she's getting very smart about it very quickly. Other kids are rebelling against the indoctrination process as well.

I think inundation of a false theme like Obama and his followers are doing will actually hurt them in the long run regardless of whether or not he's elected. I would think there are even whole swaths of the young black community who recognize this guy for the snake oil salesman he is and want nothing to do with him. He's not going to continue to go over well in those quarters, either.

88 rboa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:58am

re: #49 Sizzlack

Only if Obama were Dennis Haysbert in '24'. He'd have my vote in a second. As long as Jack Bauer were the Secretary of Defense.

I quit that show in the second season. Jack didn't hesitate to murder a handcuffed child sexual offender (that was ok), but he went to great lengths to protect a terrorist that was trying to nuke LA. The PC elements of the show had just become too much.

89 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:26am

re: #70 surferdoc

Absolutely. Look at Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice; it's a long list, and their treatment is always the same.

90 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:58am

I'm so tired of liberals trying to twist the reality that racism is extremely rare in the U.S., and then attempting to own that issue by claiming credit for quashing racial bias.

Liberal policy is far from colorblind, and in my experience, the principle dynamic that liberals can take credit for is creating whole NEW categories of bias. In place of the old bigotries against people of color, the lower classes and the poor, the liberals have established myths of contempt and denigration against the imperialistic, domineering white west, and the greedy and unscrupulous wealthy class. The new hatreds are just as unscientific and dangerous as the old ones, and it will be a fine day for the human race when no one group of them is judged by stereotype, rather than by each individual soul.

91 Globular Cluster  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:08am

re: #83 Dr. Shalit

GC -

As now written - NO, I wait however for the Conference Report.

-S-

This draft proposal is missing so many details it really doesn't say much.

92 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:47am

re: #85 kansas

Making up something is stupid. Not being able to tell the truth is Orwellian.

Nobody has banned the use of the word "Hussein."

People get annoyed when it's used because it's borderline racist. "Hussein" sounds foreign and Arabic, and it's used to make him look scary and different.

It's like a German having the middle name "Adolph" and someone using it all the time to make people think of Hitler.

93 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:44am

re: #74 Edgar

Yeah, I always found that weird. The word itself is not obscene--just highly offensive.

I will say that I've reached a point where some things are offensive enough to be obscene. If it gets in the way of communication, I'm perfectly happy to avoid the word.

My problem with AP's behavior here has to do with the fact that they're trying to stir up animosity.

94 slotgun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:23am

Funny, but for all that footwork to get around detroit, did ron and his AP colleague not find ANY white people who'd suffered as a result of racism practiced by their black neighbors? It was a quick read-through, but I sure didn't see any jumping off the screen.

Look, this country has its problems with race, but it's time we started talking about them as a two-sided coin. White people alone ain't gonna solve it. And it's time the media started recognizing that there are a hell of a lot more white people in this country who are poor than there are poor blacks, that there are a hell of a lot more black people in prison not because racist cops and prosecutors are pursuing bum-rap cases against them, and that their are vastly more unemployable minorities in this country not because of racist hiring practices, but because they themselves simply didn't have the gumption to so much as finish high school, let alone pursue a college degree.

Time to take the blinders off and deal with it, Democrats: There are too may successful, middle- and upper-class black families here now, and it's no secret how they got to be where they are. And no, it ain't because of the NBA. It's because they did things right: Finished school. Went to college. Started a career low on the ladder and worked their ways up. Married. Stayed married. THEN had kids. Avoided drugs. Avoided crime. Avoided people whose lives were consumed by both.

This ain't Pik Botha's South Africa and, God willing, never will be. I'd vote for Obama as small forward on my neighborhood 5-on-5 team because he shows signs of being able to play the game, but I will NOT vote for him for president because I think he's just flat DANGEROUS for this country and for my kids.

It simply kills the Ron Fourniers of the media to know that my objections, and those of millions of other Americans, to an Obama presidency are grounded in policy, not melanin content. To hell with the Assholeciated Press.

95 Pitiricus  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:55am

Can they stop to deal the race card? It may works in universities, it won't work with the working class!

96 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:09am

re: #14 6pat6

I had read where B-HO is only 6.5% Black, 50% White, and the rest is of Arab descent. So, if this lineage is true, how CAN he be "black"...

6pat6, please, this is nonsense. Look at pictures of Obama's father. The guy is definitely African, not Arab.

African-American, in the sense that he had ancestors who were slaves in the Antebellum South, no, Barry is not.

He might be Muslim by religion (the Luo tribe, which his father belonged to, are predominantly Muslim, and his Indonesian stepfather was Muslim) but he is not Arab.

Why am I making a big deal about this? Because I think spreading this "Obama is Arab" meme, which is so easily disproved simply by looking at a picture of Obama Sr. damages the credibility of the true facts about Obama, such as his connections to Wright, Ayers, and Rezko in the minds of independent voters.

97 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:29am

re: #77 Globular Cluster

So does this new bailout agreement still contain pork for ACORN?

Evidently the House republicans finally got up on their hind legs and prevented ACORN from getting any pork.

Which is rather a reversal of the way the world usually works, but I'll take it.

Everyone is aware that pigs eat acorns, right?

98 Pastorius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:43am

What exactly is "the N word"?

I must have missed out on this cultural touchstone.

LOL

99 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:24am

re: #89 legalpad

Absolutely. Look at Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice; it's a long list, and their treatment is always the same.

Amen.

It's pathetic.

And the lefty feminists are just as hypocritical when it comes to Palin.

What this tells me is that their 'ideology' is bupkus. They aren't really for blacks or women. Not all of them anyway. And they'd be more honest if they'd quit promoting themselves as the guardians of equality, because, clearly, they are not.

100 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:19am

My brother in law was at the square in Oxford the other night, watching the debate in a large well-attended open air venue. He was especially proud of the courtesy displayed by all the citizens of the town no matter what candidate they supported. Murmurs of agreement with each candidate's points could be heard, but no jeering of the opponent. It was a lesson in civil manners by Mississippians that received no report in the media, because 'nothing happened.'

101 Sizzlack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:51am

re: #88 rboa

It certainly became utterly ridiculous. I still can't help myself from watching it though.

102 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:12am

re: #93 Dianna


My problem with AP's behavior here has to do with the fact that they're trying to stir up animosity.

More like stir up class wars to broaden the appeal of socialism - thanks to studying journalism in the indoctrination tanks of elite academia.

103 Adina in Judea  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:41:42am

MSNBC had a Newsweek article at the top of their home page less than an hour ago about what might happen (in racial terms) if Obama loses.

If the MSM isn't trying to whip up white guilt, then they're trying to whip up white fear in the quest to win votes for Obama.

At what point is any of this supposed to unite America?

It seems as if the MSM is trying to beat the American people into submission.

This is the Newsweek article:

What If Obama Loses?

An excerpt:

Racism, naturally, plays a part in the conversation. "I've never forgotten that he is a smart, articulate black man with a smart, articulate black wife," says Linda Wright, 34, a nurse's assistant from Houston. "You think white people were just going to turn over the keys to the most important job in the land without a fight?" The overriding feeling is apprehension, a vague fear of losing something people thought was theirs to keep. "My kids love Obama and they think it's so obvious he should be the president," says actor D. L. Hughley. "I was just honest in saying life isn't always fair and certainly isn't always fair for African-Americans. But Obama has overcome so many obstacles, it's easy to forget reality."

There's not a lot of anger—yet—but you can start to sense the potential for it. "I'm going to be mad, real mad, if he doesn't win," says Daetwon Fisher, 21, a construction worker from Long Beach, Calif. "Because for him to come this far and lose will be just shady and a slap in black people's faces. I know there is already talk about protests and stuff if he loses, and I'm down for that."

104 redc1c4  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:05am

re: #48 Edgar

The AP used the word " " because it was a quote. Not sure what the big deal is.

Moby alert

105 HillJack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:29am

I really don't know why we are all surprised by this. Liberals, I refuse to call them progressives, have always had this point of view. They feel so guilty about the way that blacks have been treated in this country that they can't get passed it all. They feel personally responsible for things that happened in the past. The irony of the whole situation is that their guilty feelings and desire to help gets in the way of actually helping. The liberal idea of helping is to do everything for them instead of teaching them to do for themselves. Their twisted feelings of guilt leave no room for truth or reality. So by their logic, and I use that term in the loosest sense, if you don't vote for Obama then you are obviously a racist.

106 mich-again  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:27am

Interesting article. By and large it was pretty balanced and not that far off the mark. But the article didn't mention that the racism exists predominantly within the Democratic party base. Uneducated low income blue collar whites who identify themselves as Democrats are far more likely to espouse racist views than whites who identify themselves with the GOP. At least around here they do.

I live amongst the redneck democrats of Wayne County in a middle class blue collar suburb. I have heard the same sort of talk first hand from people I know for certain are Democrats infected with Bush Derangement Syndrome so none of this is a surprise. But in the end I am sure they will pull the lever for Obama and continue using the n word.

But a couple things about Detroit. To this day they have a street named after Elijah Muhammad, founder of the Nation of Islam. (Linwood at W. Davison) No one seems to find that the least bit offensive even though Muhammad was prolific in his hatred for whites. And the city has elected all Democrats to all levels of Government for as long as I can remember and Detroit has swirled further and further down the toilet every year. And yet the bulk of the residents blame their problems on the white suburbanites, many of whom are forced to pay 1.5% income taxes if they work in Detroit, but do not get to vote in the elections.

Truth is, the suburbanites have enough of their own problems and are "fed up to here" with the whining and blaming from Detroit politicians and having to pay taxes to subsidize their corrupt kleptocracy.

107 Adina in Judea  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #105 HillJack

The irony of the whole situation is that their guilty feelings and desire to help gets in the way of actually helping. The liberal idea of helping is to do everything for them instead of teaching them to do for themselves. Their twisted feelings of guilt leave no room for truth or reality. So by their logic, and I use that term in the loosest sense, if you don't vote for Obama then you are obviously a racist.

At the same time, liberals despise any black person (or woman) who isn't liberal.

Their deep affection for women and people of color comes with a permanent price tag. When the price of being liberal and voting liberal isn't paid, liberals viciously trash blacks and women who make their own political decisions in another direction.

Liberals believe they own blacks and women. They become fiercely protective as owners when their ownership is challenged by individual blacks and individual women who are conservative instead.

It's unbelievably sick.

108 opinionated  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:32am

This race is all about racism.

It's very possible that there is a Bradley effect out there and Obama will get votes well below the current poll numbers because of racism.

But it is an absolute fact that a radical socialist inexperienced- except for his associations with a rogue gallery of miscreants- young WHITE man, would be a laughing stock if he even suggested a run for the Presidency.

109 whiskeybeerwine  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:08am

They are very desperate!

110 mich-again  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:52:35am

Odd how it is called racism if someone won't vote for Obama because he is black, but its never called racism if someone does vote for Obama because he is black.

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:03am

re: #108 opinionated

This race is all about racism.

It's very possible that there is a Bradley effect out there and Obama will get votes well below the current poll numbers because of racism.

But it is an absolute fact that a radical socialist inexperienced- except for his associations with a rogue gallery of miscreants- young WHITE man, would be a laughing stock if he even suggested a run for the Presidency.

Precisely, and precisely why I now believe Obama was picked.

112 WOHBuckeye  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:16am

Fournier is considered too Republican for most journalists. In fact, there is a movement underway to have him yanked from the AP for being "too biased" to the benefit of Republican candidates. Don't believe, do a search on the sportsjournalists.com board.

113 yesandno  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:55am

Though never "printed", I wonder how many at the AP used that term when Thomas was being grilled by the Senate.

These people are about as two-faced as it comes. The fact they use the term is to make us note how offensive it is. And it further makes the case how it is being used to prove everyone in America is racist who isn't black.

I think the area they investigated is more racial divided then some areas of the country...hence more racial epithets. Wonder how many blacks used racial terms towards whites.

We can't get anywhere by focusing on race...we need to deal with the "content of their character".

114 Just sayin...  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:45am

So, are you prepared to label blacks who vote *for* B. HUSSEIN because of skin color racist?

I didn't think so.

115 Adina in Judea  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:26am

re: #113 yesandno

We can't get anywhere by focusing on race...we need to deal with the "content of their character".

The MSM is turning to race because Republicans don't dislike Obama for his race.

116 rightside  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:48am
A petite mother of nine who looks half her 37 years,...

Hmmm, where's the father?

Oh, that's right, the welfare check replaced him. That's why 7 out of 10 are born out of wedlock.

117 krypto  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:23:33am

I really like this line in the article, ""They" are whites who say Obama is unqualified when they really mean he's black."

That's strange, because when I say he's unqualified, I really mean he's just plain unqualified. I didn't know that I really meant he is black.

118 Charles  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:52am

By the way, I don't allow that word to be posted at LGF, for obvious reasons.

In fact, I'm now going to add it to the list of filtered words. (I've never had to do that before, but given the whacked out atmosphere in this election I think it's appropriate.)

119 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:44:09am

I'm not against voting for a black man (or woman, for that matter) for president, I'm just against voting for THIS black man for president, and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

120 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:17am

re: #114 Just sayin...

So, are you prepared to label blacks who vote *for* B. HUSSEIN because of skin color racist?

I didn't think so.

According to the MSM, if you're black and vote for Little O, it's because of pride. However, if you're white and vote for McCain, you're racist. Allllrrriiiggghhhtttyyy, then...

121 jimzinsocal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:01am

I dont know about all this yet. But Im looking. I read at Volokh and certainly
I appreciate the cautious way they have to approach things.
But something stinks. The notion the issue is raised is enough to make my skin crawl.

122 big L  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:17am

Unless there is a miracle, oby is not gonna lose. so why do these leftie dopes keep running these articles?
It is the D word- "dumb" to keep stoking these fires.

123 Scion9  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:19am

re: #81 realwest

Uh, Cap'n - pc these days is back to Black Americans.
Seems the Black People coming here in droves from the Caribbean Islands resented being called African Americans.*
Didn't you get the memo?

*No joke here folks - some of the "nurse assistants I had were from Jamaica and Dominican Republic and when I used the term "African American" they REALLY got bent out of shape and LECTURED me that THEY weren't from Africa and that they were BLACK!

Dominicans identify predominantly with their Taino/Native ancestry. Identifying oneself as 'African' is seen as unpatriotic and demeaning to their cultural heritage, which is not African.

124 starsfan914  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:12am

Well, if you think about this logically--Republicans are going to vote for the Republican candidate. Most likely they would not vote for the Democrat candidate no matter what color he or she is, so in this case you cannot call Republicans racist.

I guess the point is that Democrats are racist, that's why they will not vote for a black candidate.

That's the way I see it.

125 LesLein  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:49am

The Obama campaign turned the tide because of the financial crisis. As Jeff Jacoby points out, it was largely government intervention favored by Democrats that caused the subprime mess:

The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "subprime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.

All this was justified as a means of increasing homeownership among minorities and the poor. Affirmative-action policies trumped sound business practices. A manual issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston advised mortgage lenders to disregard financial common sense. "Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor," the Fed's guidelines instructed. Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment benefits as "valid income sources" to qualify for a mortgage. Failure to comply could mean a lawsuit.

The Democrats are like an arsonist who wins a contract to replace the building he burned down. Unfortunately, McCain needs to go negative on the Democrats' history in this matter and Obama's background in order to have a chance.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

126 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:24am

What about blacks voting 95% plus for Obama.

Isn't that racism too?

127 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:16:04am

If one points out unimpeachable facts about an ethnic group, is that racism?

128 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:17:21am

And since when is the dying shit hole of Detroit representative of the nation as a whole?

129 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:20:04am

If voters choose, quite reasonably, to believe that Obama has no better chance of 'changing' America for the better than he and the rest of his gang had in Chicago, why is that racism?

Where is his record of success? In ANYTHING (besides oratory)?

130 Scion9  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:26:52am

re: #127 Maine's Michael

If one points out unimpeachable facts about an ethnic group, is that racism?

Most of the time yes, if it is in regards to their behavior as a community. It may not be malicious on your part, but racism isn't defined by intent. Usually people couch this racism in euphemisms 'racialism' or ethnocentricism, but its really all just racism.

131 eaglewingz08  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:32:00am

So if white people vote against the white half of Obama, is that racist?
If black people vote for the black half of Obama, is that racist?
If white people vote against the black half of Obama, is that only half racist?
If white people vote against Obama because he's more leftwing than Jean Fraude ketchup and George McGovern combined, is that racist?

132 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:34:45am

Many, many whites will vote for Obama because he is black. I know it for a fact. They tell me so.

That is racism.

133 Maine's Michael  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:35:58am

re: #130 Scion9

Most of the time yes, if it is in regards to their behavior as a community. It may not be malicious on your part, but racism isn't defined by intent. Usually people couch this racism in euphemisms 'racialism' or ethnocentricism, but its really all just racism.

Bullshit. It can be viewed as racism, but it is not.

It can be sued to justify racism, but that is not the same.

134 davinvalkri  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:01:05pm

No, you see, the AP is a self-proclaimed "friend of the Black People" because they're supporting Obama, so they get to say it. Conservatives, even the black ones like Sowell, don't get to because they are the "enemies of the Black People".

/sarcasm

135 anubis_soundwave  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:12:50pm

re: #58 Dianna

I have noted that we have one person reporting that her children were referred to by a racial slur. Supposedly, racism is rampant and open, and we're all still horribly divided. Yet, it's not witnessed by the reporter. It's not caught on tape. It's relayed by a person with a grievance.

Go figure.

Bingo! the exact quote here:

"My kids have been called n***** babies. ... That was from a white family," says Cherlonda Hampton, a black woman shopping at an outdoor mall on 8 Mile Road.

An anecdote from the mother of the "aggreived" party (the kids). This wouldn't pass muster in court. Uber-hearsay.

/afrimerican, shaking her head.

136 ErislDysnomia  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:24:52pm

I'd vote for Condoleeza or Colin, but not Barry.

Barry is a leftist street thug terrorist-befriending moron.

I guess not voting for leftist street thug terrorist-befriending morons is racist, in a leftist street thug terroirst-befriending moron sort of way.

137 Ezekiel2517  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:26:29pm

How long before they seek to invalidate the votes of "racists", thus securing Democrat rule forever?

138 anubis_soundwave  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:33:38pm

re: #107 Adina in Judea

At the same time, liberals despise any black person (or woman) who isn't liberal.

Their deep affection for women and people of color comes with a permanent price tag. When the price of being liberal and voting liberal isn't paid, liberals viciously trash blacks and women who make their own political decisions in another direction.

Liberals believe they own blacks and women. They become fiercely protective as owners when their ownership is challenged by individual blacks and individual women who are conservative instead.

It's unbelievably sick.

Whoa, hold the potatoes! (sp? ask Dan Q. for more details. ;) ) Didn't we fight a bloody war w/ 600K or so casualties to end this sort of thing? And there was a...Constitutional amendment, if I recall correctly, that gave certain segments of the population the power to keep themselves from being treated like chattel.

It's obvious. Collectivism is tyranny. Tyranny is slavery.

#108 opinionated


This race is all about racism.

I'll be honest. I really wanted the "milestone"--I really did. My problem is that THIS GUY SUCKS. Ferraro nailed it.

/no good deed goes unpunished.

139 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 12:51:33pm

re: #96 Colonel Panik

6pat6, please, this is nonsense. Look at pictures of Obama's father. The guy is definitely African, not Arab.

African-American, in the sense that he had ancestors who were slaves in the Antebellum South, no, Barry is not.

He might be Muslim by religion (the Luo tribe, which his father belonged to, are predominantly Muslim, and his Indonesian stepfather was Muslim) but he is not Arab.

Why am I making a big deal about this? Because I think spreading this "Obama is Arab" meme, which is so easily disproved simply by looking at a picture of Obama Sr. damages the credibility of the true facts about Obama, such as his connections to Wright, Ayers, and Rezko in the minds of independent voters.

Colonel, go look at the picture of Barry with his "father" and the picture of Barry with his mother, baby sister and Saetoro. He actually looks far more like his stepfather than he does Obama Sr.

140 FloridaAnole  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:05:00pm

Hey, Fournier! We're not voting for your guy because he's black, we're not voting for him because he is a Commie. Comprendez?

141 FloridaAnole  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 1:07:24pm

Oops! Scrambled grammar! should read, we're not voting AGAINST your guy ...

142 right_in_canada  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:01:31pm

He believes the poll results showing white Democrats are letting their prejudices affect their vote


Prejudices?

But......but......but, uh---

Gosh I thought it was physically impossible for Democrats to have any kind of prejudice or racist attitudes. I thought that was only Republicans.

//

143 DistantThunder  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:14:56pm

Don't like colored sprinkles on your ice cream?

You are a racist.

Don't mix your white and coloreds in the wash?

Yep, you are a racist.

Do you keep your peas separate from your potatoes and pot roast?

You are a racist.

Do you prefer action movies over chick flicks?

You are a racist.

Have you ever used the N-word in a comedy routine?

If yes, you are either a black commedian or an alcoholic in need of rehab - but you are NOT a racist.

Any questions?

144 profitsbeard  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 2:24:19pm

So Obama's white half is very suspicious of his black half?

And vice versa?

Halfwitted article, at best.

145 Malleus Dei  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:03:08pm

Is it too hard for the Left to understand that we will always vote against ANY Leftist, forever, be they white, black, brown, yellow or green?

Race has nothing to do with why so many of us despise Obama. It's his awful politics.

146 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:14:11pm

In my experience, the only people who are sensitive to accusations of racism are those who actually harbor it. When liberals are accused of racism, they head for the hills.

Conservatives who are race-neutral (as we ideally should be) should be comfortable standing on articulate principles. And most of us can articulate just fine, thank you.

147 Scion9  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 3:55:14pm

re: #133 Maine's Michael

Bullshit. It can be viewed as racism, but it is not.

It can be sued to justify racism, but that is not the same.

If you are equating observation of behavior with race, that is racist. It doesn't matter if it can be 'viewed as racism' but it's not because of the intent of the person projecting those views. Intent is essentially irrelevant.

Racism, ethnocentrism, racialism, racial determination, etc are all the same thing.

Viewing behavioral patterns as being synonymous with race is what leads to the labelling of black conservatives as Uncle Toms, Oreos or House N------. It's what leads many young black Americans to adopt their own vernacular, etc, as to not appear 'too white', even if they don't do so intentionally but just to fit in. The subconscious intent is still to differentiate themselves from their non-black peers.

How the majority of a race acts is irrelevant, and talking in terms of 'groups' is a defective ideology regardless. Colin 'Uncle Tom' Powell, is an individual and his non-conforming to a particular stereotype doesn't mean he is acting like a white guy. Saying that Powell and others are acting white, is racist. Sorry.

Everyone is an individual. No one belongs to a group based upon the circumstances of their birth.

148 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:36:23pm

Test

149 freeus  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:54:14pm

re: #12 Elcid

"racism will be to blame."

Believe that was the strategy from the start. The big clue was, a 44 year old woman that just became "proud of her country".

Funny how we spent this summer educating our white kids on the unfortunately under discussed contribution of African-Americans during WWII. Took them to a museum in Macon, GA that had all kinds of good stuff on the Tuskegee Airmen. And African-American women that volunteered to be nurses and all sorts of other jobs needed during this time in our nations history.

I have NEVER heard either of these two, and in particular Michelle, acknowledge the contribution of these women or these men. Was she not proud of their acts FOR HER country. I sure am, and I am as white as I can be.

Where are these people in the throwing of Oreos at Michael Steele? Not to mention the absolute disgusting things said about and to Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice?

I have noticed in the past two day that the majority of the crowds makeup in the Obama rallies has been African-Americans. Normally they are not allowed in the backdrop of folks behind him, and instead you see more White people, but not today. Perhaps currently there is a backlash, or fear amongst White Democrats after they have been labeled as racist? I have no idea, but I do know that all this talk from Obama has indeed caused an awful wedge to be created between the races. I think in some ways that was his goal; to cause us to be suspicious of each other. I hope after this election is over, we can manage to get beyond the nastiness Obama an his staff have inflicted on America.

150 Canadhimmis  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 4:59:10pm

Associated Press Democratic shill Ron Fournier is working overtime promoting the view that if Barack Obama loses the election, racism will be to blame.

Fournier is right about this, but not in the way he thinks he is.
Barack Obama will likely lose this election because of his own racism, not that of the electorate. Obama is a racist and a racist baiter of the worst order.

151 right_in_canada  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 5:35:00pm

re: #143 DistantThunder

Don't like colored sprinkles on your ice cream?

You are a racist.

Don't mix your white and coloreds in the wash?

Yep, you are a racist.

Do you keep your peas separate from your potatoes and pot roast?

You are a racist.

Do you prefer action movies over chick flicks?

You are a racist.

Have you ever used the N-word in a comedy routine?

If yes, you are either a black commedian or an alcoholic in need of rehab - but you are NOT a racist.

Any questions?

Are you sayin' that Michael"Kramer" Richards was on the sauce ? ;-)

152 Arkay  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 6:01:53pm

I'm from the Detroit area. Grew up here, left when I was 18, returned when I was 43 with wife and kids in tow. Be it ever so horrid, there's no place like home.

You really have to live in this God-forsaken town and its burbs to understand just how stone cold racist this place is.

In both directions.

What follows is an Email I sent some friends this past July 4. Explains exactly what the place is like, and why blacks think whites are (at best) snobs. The racism expressed in this story is by no means imaginary. By no means whatsoever.

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Saturday in the park
I think it was the fourth of july
Saturday in the park
I think it was the fourth of july
People dancing, people laughing
A man selling ice cream
Singing italian songs
(fake italian lyric)
Can you dig it (yes, I can)
And Ive been waiting such a long time
For saturday


Today I drove to my old home town of St. Clair Shores, two miles from my law office.

Saturday in the park
Youd think it was the fourth of july
Saturday in the park
Youd think it was the fourth of july
People talking, really smiling
A man playing guitar
Singing for us all
Will you help him change the world
Can you dig it (yes, I can)
And Ive been waiting such a long time
For today

I went to the city park at the foot of Eleven Mile Road and Jefferson, on Lake St. Clair. It's a wonderful complex, with the city library (I still have my old library card and often use it there), a pool, a picnic area, and a docking bay for three hundred boats. It's lovely.

Slow motion riders fly the colors of the day
A bronze man still can tell stories his own way
Listen children all is not lost
All is not lost

I went to the entrance to walk in to the grass where I played as a child. An attendant at the gate asked to see my I.D.

Funny days in the park
Every days the fourth of july
Funny days in the park
Every days the fourth of july
People reaching, people touching
A real celebration
Waiting for us all
If we want it, really want it
Can you dig it (yes, I can)
And Ive been waiting such a long time
For the day


He wouldn't let me in. I'm not a city resident, you see. All--ALL--city parks on the water are closed to non city residents.

This guarantees that nobody from south of 8 Mile Road gets to enjoy the beach north of 8 Mile Road.

Welcome to Detroit, the last bastion of American apartheid.

And Ive been waiting such a long time
For the day

153 revvy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:36:00am

"When her child was bitten by a white classmate, the white principal didn't seem to care."

Okay, first off, the fact that he was bitten (and only bitten, apparently) tells me that this was a very young child. Kids above the age of 11 or so don't bite unless it's part of a larger brawl. And they brought the PRINCIPAL into this? At most, when a little kid bites another little kid, even nowadays, at most they send them to them to the guidance counselor - and even that's normally not until they've repeated the behavior.
Of course, it's entirely possible that these WERE older kids and had a larger fight, but the AP left out those details, probably because it would be an outright lie to say the white student started it.

Sorry to nitpick on such a small detail, but when a news organization has to prop up a story with extra little tidbits like that, claiming racism cause *gasp* a WHITE student bit a BLACK student (obvious racism!) and the principal had the audacity to have BETTER THINGS TO DEAL WITH THAN THE RAMPANT RACISM AT HIS SCHOOL, it's obvious that their story is weak.

Oh yeah, and just as an end note, I love the blatant "It's all your fault, whitey!" moment offered by "Anthony knows who 'they' are."

And the AP thinks I'm condescending.

154 jenv  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:02:12pm

Whites say their neighbors consider blacks to be violent and solely responsible for problems in the black community.

...

Four of every 10 white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, calling them "lazy," or "violent" or blaming them for the ills of black America, according to the AP-Yahoo poll.


Why is it racist to blame blacks for the problems of the black community? If blacks are not to blame for the ills of black America, who is?


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