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Obama Campaign Throws First Amendment Under the Bus

Politics | Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13:08 am PDT

My jaw is officially on the floor. The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign; here’s a video report.

UPDATE at 9/28/08 9:31:28 am:

A statement from Missouri Governor Matt Blunt on the Obama campaign’s abusive use of Missouri law enforcement.

JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:17am

Free speech is only for the left.

2 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:20am

he has a problem with amendments, including the 2nd.

3 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:53am

The First Amendment never mattered to this fascist tool anyway.

4 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:57am

Typical totalitarian behavior.

These are the people Orwell warned us about.

5 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:17am

re: #2 lone_wolf_in_illinois

he has a problem with amendments, including the 2nd.

And as soon as he can, he'll get Congress to repeal them.

6 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:46am

re: #5 victor_yugo

And as soon as he can, he'll get Congress to repeal them.

Let's try to not let this happen!

7 goldentoadster  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:58am

We should trust the Ministry of Truth.

8 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:29am

re: #4 The Other Les

Typical totalitarian behavior.

These are the people Orwell warned us about.

We'll all be sent to Room 101.

9 gman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:46am

Will this be made into an SNL sketch?

10 Muadib  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:52am

Marxist thought police.

11 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:12am

quick question....with all the inconsistencies and flat out lies told by and for Obama, how can they tell who's lying "about" them? Everything in their campaign is true until it's not!

12 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:39am

Next thing you know they'll be going after salesmen.

/

13 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:49am

Gov. Matt Blunt responds.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

14 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:20am

...next thing you know they'll have to arrest themselves for misleading America about their candidate!

15 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:44am

Who are fascists now eh?

16 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:54am

I believe Typicalwhitey and realwest are all over this.

17 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:07am
The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign;

What, does Obama want to spend the rest of the campaign in jail?

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:09am

Obama is a fucking loser.
OT...Matt Bryant for my Buccaneers lost his 3 month old son this week. Add him into prayers tonight. :(

19 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:19am

The governor of Missouri had to come out and tell Obama and his Marxist goon squads to leave the 1st amendment alone.

Wow. just Wow.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment. This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights."

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

20 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:20am

BHO's Truthsqud = Brownshirts

There will be no sarc tag on this one.

21 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:25am

Show of hands. Anyone surprised by this? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

22 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:40am

re: #13 MandyManners

Charles - this deserves an update above.

23 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:46am

at least the real Messiah answered his critics.

24 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:55am

It is, of course, illegal for prosecutors to selectively enforce the law for political purposes.

25 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:59am

and he wants his own civilian military police force, 1984 anybody?

26 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:33am

re: #16 rightwinger3

I believe Typicalwhitey and realwest are all over this.

I guess I could have posted a link to the post.

27 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:38am

Good for Governor Blunt! He sees what the hell is going on, and is calling B-HO and his cronies on it in public!

Let's see exactly how far "prosecution" of someone goes, especially since the Governor can effectively overturn a "conviction" with a full pardon. Shit like that should NEVER be brought before a judge in the first place!

28 Mike McDaniel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:42am

Time for Obama and the Dems to be charged with Conspiracy to Violate Civil Rights. Perp-walk them into Leavenworth Penitentiary.

29 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:00am

Other examples of BHO's attempts to stifle speech:

Using the police.

Using minions.

Attempting to use the DoJ.

30 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:04am

Do it to Julia!

31 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:08am

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

32 kevinmumaw  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:11am

Is this a precursor to the Police state the left warns us about? Irony.

33 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:24am

Obama doesn't believe in the first 2 Amendments.

34 abolitionist  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:27am

In Pennsylvania too.

35 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #7 goldentoadster

We should trust the Ministry of Truth.

Obama and his hired hands are frightening. But we aren't supposed to consider his extreme left-wing up-brining.

36 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:44am

re: #20 lone_wolf_in_illinois

BHO's Truthsqud = Brownshirts

There will be no sarc tag on this one.


obama youth.

37 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:58am

re: #36 newsjunkie_ky

obama youth.

Shiver.

38 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:14am

And who, exactly, gets to determine what is "the truth" in these ads?

I suspect it will be The Democratic Ministry of Veracity, with a little help from The Department of All Republicans Are Racists.

39 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:15am

re: #25 pegcity

and he wants his own civilian military police force, 1984 anybody?

he knows the real military hates him and he doesnt trust it.
And they do. I know I have heard it.
My sweetie hates his fucking guts.

40 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:43am

No one has to be arrested before speech is silenced. It goes to the heart of prior restaint.

41 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:45am

B-HO's proposed "police force" would do a "1984"-style hammer down on ANY speech. Who needs a stinkin' Constitution, in B-HO land? The Jackasses have all but burned it, anyway!

42 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:07am

There's free speech and there's slander. Probably makes sense for him to try to confuse the two.

43 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:18am

goes to show that the left really just wants a tyrant but one on the left. They all remind me of S&M freaks why love to be smacked around.

44 West Coast Freedom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:25am

I posted in another thread, that my Democratic father in law, who has lived in Missouri all his life, has not even heard this yet! I printed everything out and mailed to him today. Slowly, but surely, I am showing him how his party has left him. It has been taken over by the far left Marxist Chicago thug squads. It is not the party of the old days anymore, and people better wake the f%#* up pretty soon.

45 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

re: #31 Killian Bundy

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

It's on a sign here. They misspelled Obama.

46 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:33am

re: #29 MandyManners

Other examples of BHO's attempts to stifle speech:

Using the police.

Using minions.

Attempting to use the DoJ.


Thanks for posting those. Will send to email list. Already sent the MO story.

47 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:38am

The NYT is all over the story/

48 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:42am

Oh wonderful -- does that mean CNN (given all their on-going, on-air lies) is going be taken off the air?

49 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:47am

Obama considers historical facts to be lies.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

50 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:50am

re: #39 Karagush

i think this happend somewhere else, something about people wearing brown shirts, uhmm

51 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:32am

re: #30 Karagush

Do it to Julia!

I don't get the reference.

52 sngnsgt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:36am
Ah, ah, ah, I'm not er um, er, elitist. I-i-i it's all ya'll white folk 'dats bigots.

/BHO

53 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:39am

re: #41 6pat6

B-HO's proposed "police force" would do a "1984"-style hammer down on ANY speech.

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

54 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:40am

Time to quote Queen Amidala..... "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

55 gregg  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:23am

If Obama is willing to take away your right to free speech even before he is elected president, what will he do to your right to bear arms once he is elected?

56 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:26am

It's so unAmerican, it's hard to believe, but

it is really happening.

Hate to challenge Godwin's Law, but sometimes the Nazi commparison fits.

Gestapobama.

57 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:46am

It is not just Missouri Charles. The Obama campaign is pulling the same tactics in Pennsylvania over the NRA. Somebody posted a link to the story on either the dead thread or the links up top this morning.

58 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #33 pat

Obama doesn't believe in the first 2 Amendments any of the Amendments which are inconvenient to him.

Better, and far more likely.

59 Glackinspeil  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:12am

This is not the 1st amendment that I knew.

60 Panhandler  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:44am

I listened carefully to see if there was any reference to the "Truth Squads" organizing rebuttals on their own time, pledging to debate statements on their merits (on their own time) or stating that Missourians were tired of unfair tactics by politicians in general. NADA The two interviewed fully implied that they and their cohorts would use the imprature of their official offices to go after those deemed to be fomenting dissent and confusion by airing/printing/blogging/saying things inimicable to the Obama campaign alone. (Nice touch - The two "Law Enforcement" individuals were filmed with an Obama logo appearing over their shoulder.)

61 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:44am
62 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:51am

re: #53 Edgar

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Err, how do you know? And what amount of imtimidation do you suggest is alright, versus to much? Edgar speak!

63 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #53 Edgar

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I don't.

64 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:24am

re: #16 rightwinger3 Thank you kindly, but it was Typicalwhitey - who lives in Missouri and was concerned about incurring the wrath of the Obamanaions but still persevered and sent this story to everyone who might be remotely involved or concerned: The FEC, the FBI, the US Justice Departmen, the Govenor, ALL of the congresscritters from Missouri (individually), and competitors of the TV station that ran this story, radio stations and US Attorney Steve Limbaugh (yeah, he's the cousin of Rush Limbaugh) the RNC and the McCain campaign committe.
I thought that Typicalwhitey did just an outstanding job in getting this word out.Now, apparently we need an LGFer willing to make the same kind of stink in Pennsylvania.

65 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #45 rightwinger3

It's on a sign here. They misspelled Obama.

They didn't misspell it. They simply referred to him by his faith.

66 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #27 6pat6

Good for Governor Blunt! He sees what the hell is going on, and is calling B-HO and his cronies on it in public!

Let's see exactly how far "prosecution" of someone goes, especially since the Governor can effectively overturn a "conviction" with a full pardon. Shit like that should NEVER be brought before a judge in the first place!

Except that even the attempt to prosecute something like this costs the person charged time, money, embarrassment, sometimes their job. Takes months or years. And chills everyone else.

67 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:57am

Y'know, I tried asking a moonbat relative what civil rights exactly were curtailed under the Bush Administration. I mean, since it's such a common and systematic abuse of power, I'm sure there's a whole laundry list of rights that have been chipped away. Got nor real answer....just a diatribe on 'social justice' and the like.

0bama hasn't even taken office and he's doing his level best to erode freedom of speech.

/I also disdain anyone who claims to have sole monopoly on 'truth', i.e. the 9/11 troofers. Should we start calling his Missouri enforcement branch the 'troof squad' yet?

68 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:05am

They're trying to intimidate the NRA too.

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/fortunately, the NRA is haveing none of it

69 shibumi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:28am

re: #48 J.S.

Oh wonderful -- does that mean CNN (given all their on-going, on-air lies) is going be taken off the air?

No, CNN is down with Teleprompter Jesus. Fox, Rush, all conservative talk radio, that's going. But not CNN, MSNBC or the NYT.

70 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:30am

Another reason most in the military can not stand B-HO is who he has as one of his military "advisors" - one retired AF General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, who is likely to be B-HOs first pick as his SecDef.

Believe me, you do NOT want to see this buffoon in that role! What he did to the AF in the '90s as the Air Force JCS rep is shameful, scandalous, and pure bullshit. He is the one that combined the commands SAC, TAC, MAC, etc, and did what is probably the worst thing to happen to the AF since its inception in 1947. He is a PC disaster.

Oh, but he gave the AF snazzy new uniforms, too "PUKE!" ...what a friggin' waste!

71 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #53 Edgar

I don't.

72 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:06am

re: #66 galloping granny

Except that even the attempt to prosecute something like this costs the person charged time, money, embarrassment, sometimes their job. Takes months or years. And chills everyone else.

Yep. As I noted above, this goes straight to the heart of prior restraint.

73 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:31am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Err, how do you know? And what amount of imtimidation do you suggest is alright, versus to much? Edgar speak!

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

74 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:41am

re: #70 6pat6

and don't forget a snazzy new logo.

75 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:50am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

I laughed when I first read that. But then I thought, oh crap! That is exactly the strategy Obama has been using all along. The parallels between Obama's tactics and Islam are frightening.

- Very much like a cult.
- Bully disbelievers.
- Willing to lie in order to achieve their goals.
- Accuse the opposition of the evils they themselves commit.

Or am I being racist?

76 Ruthless  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:51am

OK, here I step up on the soap box. It is remarkable that Obama stated several times during the first debate in Mississippi that al Qaeda is stronger than ever. He seemed determined to convince America that we are in great danger from that enemy, and repeatedly identified the location of the threat as being in Afghanistan. He mentioned Pakistan, and said that al Quada is in 60 nations, but he kept returning to Afghanistan as the locus of danger from al Qaeda and bin Laden. His purpose was apparently to "prove" that the war in Iraq was a mistake, that instead we should have done more in Afghanistan, and with the goal of capturing or killing a single man, bin Laden. He does not realize that bin Laden is only a symbol for a huge international movement with the goal of destroying America, and that the chosen battleground of that movement, as named by bin Laden himself, has been on the killing fields of Iraq. How could so many of us know that, and he does not?

Unlike in Vietnam our military has not released enemy body counts from Iraq, but as those of us who have paid attention know our troops have killed tens of thousands of terrorist jihadistrs who descended on Iraq from all over the world to make it the main battle line against America and the non-Muslim world. Operations in Iraq have been a proxy war between America and the worldwide Islamic effort to destroy western civilization and creat a worldwide Caliphate. It is in Iraq that our enemies set out to beat us, not Afghanistan. And should we invade Pakistan as Obama seems to favor, and kill bin Laden as he fantasizes that we should, we would only succeed in making bin Laden a martyr for the continued attacks on the West. It would be a victory for the enemy, not a defeat, and with the added effect of potentially launching us into a full scale conflict with Pakistan.

But Obama thinks that it was a mistake to stand up in Iraq to waves of mujahaddin in an epic battle against a worldwide movement that seeks to destroy America and overrun Europe? If that is what he thinks, then he is not only mistaken, he has fallen right out of his acorn tree (pun intended). Most Americans are unaware of the real story in Iraq, thanks to our flaky media's refusal to report anything but bad news, but surely Obama could take the time to learn the truth, no? Well, apparently not. Or if so, then the truth doesn't matter to him.

Here is a possible scenario, just my thoughts. Bear with me. As I see it, Obama is not a serious person. He is someone who thinks that life is a game. He decided to run for President of the United States more or less for a lark, having no idea that he could possibly be nominated, much less elected. Perhaps he thought that having a presidential run on his resume would help him get a cushy job as a university president or as the head of some lefty think tank. Having added election to the Senate to his list of achievements, he must have asked himself what interesting thing to do next. And he decided, hey! I shall run for President! So he did — and, to his own great surprise he was swept on an irrational tide of fortune to become the Democratic nominee, something he neither foresaw or expected. As it sometimes does the fickle finger of fate reached out and touched Obama. Ooops!

— continued

77 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:01am

"Shut up!", Obama explained.

78 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:03am

What members of law enforcement are getting involved?

So the taxpayers are funding the retort function of Obama's campaign?

"Two high profile prosecutors will be reminding voters, that Barak Obama is a chrisitan, who wants to cut taxes"....

What the fuck is this?

I with you Charles, my jaw is on the floor.

Good lord, are really at this point?

79 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:06am

re: #66 galloping granny

Exactly. It's the time and amount of money used up in one's own defense (it doens't matter that everyone may already know the outcome). This is how the Human "Rights" Tribunals are misused here in Canada -- doesn't even matter if a defendant ultimately "wins" -- it's still a loss...

80 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:15am

re: #68 Killian Bundy

They're trying to intimidate the NRA too.

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/fortunately, the NRA is haveing none of it

That reminds me - I need to renew my membership.

81 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:36am

I find it ironic that moonbats have been screaming about their rights being violated under the Bush "regime" yet something like this comes about and it's fair game because it is to the benefit of The One.

82 Ruthless  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:43am

PART TWO

To return to his insistence that bin Laden "in Afghanistan" is still a credible threat to the US, even though The Sheik has been hiding in a cave in some undisclosed location for the better part of a decade, this offers a sure clue that Obama has no idea what is going on in the world or what to do about it. And, if it is true that al Qaeda has regained its strength and threatens the US anew as he repeatedly told us in the Friday debate, exactly how does that qualify Obama to be Commander in Chief? If our nation is faced with foreign military threats, that seems like a sure call for the steady hand of McCain in the White House, not an unproven empty suit. So why would he make that point, and make it so vigorously?

Could it be … could it just possibly be…that Obama wants to lose? That all this stuff is so far above his pay grade that he is scared out of his socks and he wants to coast to an honorable defeat in November? If that is his purpose it could help explain some of his actions, and it must scare him even more to see that his polling numbers continue to remain aloft even after he has committed one faux pas after another. In this scenario, all his blatant efforts to fail have been ignored by his deluded followers and painted over by a remarkably disconnected and increasingly irrelevant media. How disturbing that must be to him. Obama is far past the point of no return and there is no way out except to honorably lose the election. And yet, and yet ... the polls keep saying he might actually win.

In that position, what would a person of honor do? We cannot answer that question, because no honorable, or even rational person would ever allow him- or herself to get into such a position in the first place. Obama surely cannot at this late date admit to the American people that he is a sham and a fraud, cannot step aside in favor of Hillary perhaps, or simply bail out and leave Joe Biden to finish the campaign without him. He can do none of those things, not now. It's too late by far. All he can do is "hope" to lose.

Should my suppositions be even remotely correct, then Obama NEEDS to lose for his own sake, much less for the sake of our nation. Let us all do everything we can to contribute to his success … his success in failing to win in November. Obama's best hope, and America's, is McCain/Palin 2008-2016. Palin/? 2016-2024. And I relinquish the soap box. Who's next? -- Ruthless

83 jonathan1984  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:53am

re: #73 Edgar

I'm not from the US, but I do not want to see that kind of thuggery spread one bit anywhere. Period. ANY intimidation is unacceptable.

84 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:58am

Things are getting very f**king weird.

85 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:00am

re: #78 formercorpsman

What members of law enforcement are getting involved?

So the taxpayers are funding the retort function of Obama's campaign?

"Two high profile prosecutors will be reminding voters, that Barak Obama is a chrisitan, who wants to cut taxes"....

What the fuck is this?

I with you Charles, my jaw is on the floor.

Good lord, are really at this point?


And a SHERIFF.

86 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #54 doriangrey

Time to quote Queen Amidala..... "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

Pardon me for repeating myself...

Of course, apart from a National Socialist rally at Nuremberg, you can't beat a Soviet Communist Party congress for thunderous applause. Especially back in Comrade Stalin's day.

There will of course be thunderous applause when Comrade Hillary Obama receives the nomination at the next Democratic National Convention. And I don't doubt that there will be thunderous applause should Comrade Hillary Obama actually be elected.

And I simply can't imagine there not being thunderous applause when the long knives finally come out and the opponents of socialism, such as Mark (Urbin) and myself, are lined up along a ditch and shot.

But what do I know? I only read history as it actually happened.
_

87 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #64 realwest

Roger that, me too. She did excellent getting all those emails and faxes into hands that could do something.

88 Glackinspeil  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:06am

They didn't teach the US Constitution at Harvard Law.
or
They did teach it but Comrade Barry was busy with Marx
or
Brother Barack was too busy learning into sharia
or
The messiah was at the temple schooling the Rabbis

89 gman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:11am
The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign

This just in from the Central Committee of the Grand Party of Obama

"Change We Can Believe In" is now a crimethought

The new goodthink motto is:
"Change You Better Believe In"

90 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:15am

re: #73 Edgar

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

More Gamey Troll buttocks.........................

91 fmfnavydoc  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:16am

Free speech for me, but not for thee

Mantra of the moonbat/socialist nation...

Obama's Commandment's

#1 - Thou shall not blaspheme me, even if it's the truth
#2 - Thou shall not ask about my past
#3 - Thou shall not ask about my associates
#4 - Thou shall not deprive my friends of money or other ill gotten booty
#5 - Thou shall not deny me of higher office - I will lie, cheat and steal to get it
#6 - Thou will do everything to destroy my opponents, to the extent of fabrication of lies.

It is Written, It is to be done

92 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:16am

re: #34 abolitionist

In Pennsylvania too.

I'm from Pa. Haven't heard anything on this. Ya gotta link?

93 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:23am

This has been many years in the making. Leftist media have been redefining free speech for two generations; making it an article of faith, for instance, that criticism of or disagreement with a leftist celebrity is an abridgment of the celebrity's rights. Leftist speech codes, defining political opposition and legitimate discourse as "hate speech," have similarly come to be taken for granted in the business and academic worlds. What could more natural, then, for the media faithful to accept that telling "lies" about a leftist candidate is racist and illegal?

These Mizzou sheriffs and prosecutors are elected officials, probably owing their positions to ACORN ballot-stuffing and other fascist tactics, but they are accountable nevertheless. If they attempt to use their positions to prosecute, threaten, or harrass anyone who publishes material with which they disagree, they should be arrested by federal marshals and prosecuted for civil rights violations.
Similarly, the ACORN organization is a criminal conspiracy to violate election laws and should be prosecuted under the RICO statutes.

94 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:50am

re: #83 jonathan1984

I'm not from the US, but I do not want to see that kind of thuggery spread one bit anywhere. Period. ANY intimidation is unacceptable.

Yeah, but immediately comparing a mild level of intimidation to the gestapo/Big Brother is not going to help free speech flourish.

95 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:00am

re: #73 Edgar

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

Notice, I said "1984"-style jammer, not that we would HAVE "1984".

Learn to read better, thanks.

96 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:04am

If I were advising the McCain campaign I'd use that very clip in an ad.

97 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:07am

re: #38 zombie
What's so "funny" is that one of the DA's or Sheriff's in Missouri said on the Videotape (on the Videotape!) that they were acting at the request of the Obama campaign to not allow people to tell lies about Obama such as "he's going to raise taxes on those making less than $250,000 a year" when in point of fact, by allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to lapse, that is exactly what Obama is going to do.
These "truth squads" are bad enough, but they don't even know the truth.
And I still want to know why the DA's and Sheriffs in Misssouri haven't been suspended from their duties pending an investigation into their voter intimidation tactics.

98 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:14am

re: #32 kevinmumaw

Is this a precursor to the Police state the left warns us about? Irony.

Well the left does always accuse the right of using their tactics.

99 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:19am

re: #65 victor_yugo

They didn't misspell it. They simply referred to him by his faith.

He's at one with the ummah.

100 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:36am

re: #74 pegcity

Actually, the snazzy new logo came later.

101 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:38am

My, lizards are exercised this morning. Are we trying to hit 6 million today?

102 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:47am

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info

103 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:57am

I mentioned "Out of the Night" by Jan Valtin (Richard Julius Herman Krebs) yesterday.

It's in re-print.

Read how the Comintern operated in the Weimar Republic. Compare that to today.

At a gut level, I'm now 80% certain that an "Alinsky Machine" (to try to coin a phrase here) exists ... as an organization.

104 Pastorius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:58am

Blunt is, dare I say it, blunt.

Excuse me, while I go light up a ...

105 kynna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:58am

Glenn Reynolds is linking to tons of information about this madness. Watch him get served for being a conduit.

People need to know about this and understand it. This is a very scary issue. The press is so in the tank they'll just let it go, not even recognizing that it should be a warning to them as well.

106 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:11am

re: #76 Ruthless

i think obama was tapped along time ago by soros and his ilk for this manchurian adventure.

no one just goes from a nobody with no experience to potential frontrunner.

this is like a bad tom clancy novel

107 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:13am

re: #53 Edgar

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Er...a lot of people in the 30s thought that way.

108 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:17am

re: #97 realwest

{real} sorry I fell off that last thread.....my mom called me and you know how that goes. :)

My step-father is out of ICU!

109 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:22am

re: #47 pat
Do you have a link (that doesn't require registration)?

110 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:23am

re: #95 6pat6

Notice, I said "1984"-style jammer, not that we would HAVE "1984".

Learn to read better, thanks.

By that yardstick, ANY controls on free speech are "1984-style."

111 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:25am

re: #68 Killian Bundy

They're trying to intimidate the NRA too.

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/fortunately, the NRA is haveing none of it

Gunbanobama.com.

112 jonathan1984  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:44am

re: #105 kynna

Glenn Reynolds is linking to tons of information about this madness. Watch him get served for being a conduit.

Suing a law prof? That would be entertaining.

113 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:50am

re: #85 loppyd

Seriously, what next?

The Obama youth?

This is surreal.

114 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:52am

re: #69 shibumi

I would say, however, that this sort of hideous overreaching (abusing one's powers) does have a way of biting back...(typically these things come back -- and they'll find themselves "hoisted by their own petard." it'll blow up in their faces...hopefully)

115 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:12am

re: #108 loppyd

{real} sorry I fell off that last thread.....my mom called me and you know how that goes. :)

My step-father is out of ICU!

This is good news! :D

116 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:18am

re: #107 Catttt

Er...a lot of people in the 30s thought that way.

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

117 zenren  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:33am

TypicalWhitey, thank you for your actions. I have emailed the Gateway Pundit link to every person I know and have encouraged them to do the same. We cannot count on the MSM to do the right thing and investigate this. We must get the word out. There is a pattern of intimidation going on here that SHOULD be of concern to every American. It's time to stand up.

118 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:40am

"The man on horseback, ascending triumphantly to office on the steps of constitutional process, demands and threatens the parliament into the delegation of its sacred power. Then follows consolidation of authority through powerful propaganda in the pay of the state to transform the mentality of the people. Resentment of criticism, denunciation of all opposition, moral terrorization, all follow in sequence. The last scene is the suppression of freedom. Liberty dies of the water from her own well- free speech- poisoned by untruth." Herbert Hoover The Challenge to Liberty

119 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:50am

Liberal tolerance on parade

120 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:52am

re: #73 Edgar

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

Just a moderate level of intimidation. I feel better. //

121 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #51 The Other Les

I don't get the reference.

that what he said when they started to put the cage of rats on his face in room 101. Its the moment in 1984 when the hero breaks, and gives up his lover.

122 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:57am

re: #104 Pastorius

Blunt is, dare I say it, blunt.

Excuse me, while I go light up a ...

lol!

123 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:59am

Official song of the Obama Truth Gestapo Squad:

124 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:21am
125 shibumi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #75 Racer X

I laughed when I first read that. But then I thought, oh crap! That is exactly the strategy Obama has been using all along. The parallels between Obama's tactics and Islam are frightening.

- Very much like a cult.
- Bully disbelievers.
- Willing to lie in order to achieve their goals.
- Accuse the opposition of the evils they themselves commit.

Or am I being racist?

In a word:

NO.

126 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #102 Tigger2005

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info


Link with video please, Moby.

127 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

He has already started, Edgar. I'm no alamist, and neither is Charles, but all we have to do is look at what the man actually is doing.

128 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:43am

re: #89 gman

"Change You Better Believe In"


Rotating title nomination.

129 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:10am

re: #113 formercorpsman

i think they are probably already in the planning stages, i've seen tons of pictures of kids dressed up in full obama gear.

this is a personality cult pure and simple, this will end in disaster.

But it fits the leftists mental state, anything that takes responisbility for ones actions away from the inidividual is aok with them, thinking is not their bag.

130 Globular Cluster  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:15am

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

131 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:15am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?


He doesn't have to...Bush already has.....right?

132 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:16am

re: #110 Edgar

By that yardstick, ANY controls on free speech are "1984-style."

That's right. Why should there be any controls on free speech? If there are controls it's NOT free speech.

133 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:20am

re: #16 rightwinger3

I believe Typicalwhitey and realwest are all over this.


Just faxed this to the Legal dept of the RNC, the media department and emailed the chairman of the RNC.
Along with my letter

134 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #124 FrogMarch

Should Obama go to jail for lying about Kissinger?

/that was mississippi, this new rule only applies in mo, jeez

135 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #102 Tigger2005

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info

No.

136 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

No, the empirical evidence makes it a foregone conclusion.

137 gman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:46am

re: #120 kansas

Just a moderate level of intimidation. I feel better. //

Yeah, you get a full body massage before going to Room 101. Count me in.

138 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:49am

re: #113 formercorpsman

Seriously, what next?

The Obama youth?

This is surreal.

It is bizarro world. Barry using the very same tactics that were used against those leading the Civil Rights Movement.

139 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #66 galloping granny
Wow

Except that even the attempt to prosecute something like this costs the person charged time, money, embarrassment, sometimes their job. Takes months or years. And chills everyone else.

absolutely Spot On. This will have a chilling effect on debate about Obama/McCain in Missouri - unless someone acts on Typicalwhitey's communications.

140 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #134 phoenixgirl

/that was mississippi, this new rule only applies in mo, jeez

are you not hip to "change"

141 MichaelAsher  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:13am
142 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #115 Catttt

Thanks - yes it is!

143 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:36am

re: #110 Edgar

By that yardstick, ANY controls on free speech are "1984-style."

Maybe NOW you get it!

144 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #127 Catttt

He has already started, Edgar. I'm no alamist, and neither is Charles, but all we have to do is look at what the man actually is doing.

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

145 Orbit Rain  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:50am

"Free speech for me, but not for thee"

So will Obama target the alphabet networks for *their* lies? Can we jail Obama for *his* lies? If the Missouri is fair game, then MSM is fair game...EVERYONE is fair game...which really, if you want to break it down means a *real* civil war will break out, and you know the way these things go...a lot of people get shot for trying to enslave other people.

146 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:05am

re: #129 pegcity

Obama gear?

You mean t-shirts, buttons, etc.

That kind of circle-jerk bullshit doesn't bother me.

Read Shiplord's post from above. He hits it dead on center.

147 opnion  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:10am

Behold, the Maxist Beast slinks from the closet.
vote.! Get everyone you can to vote against this guy.

148 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:11am

From NRA's website:

Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF).

The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running.

This is a copy [warning, pdf file] of the cease and desist document sent by the Obama camp. They are citing "Truth in Advertising" laws as operative in a political campaign!?

OY.

149 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:13am

re: #68 Killian Bundy
Thanks for that information, Killian.

150 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:18am

re: #121 Karagush

that what he said when they started to put the cage of rats on his face in room 101. Its the moment in 1984 when the hero breaks, and gives up his lover.

((karagush)) morning cuttie pie....

151 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:18am

re: #130 Globular Cluster

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

Because WE are a battleground state.
ANd he probably is doing it more but those in other states are not stupid enough to go on camera and SAY IT

I emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC last night.
Sent this to various tv stations and newspapers.
To all four of the McCain offices etc.

152 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:20am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

Probably not dude, but why are you here defending this when they have videotaped evidence of the tactics being used by the Obama campaign?

153 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:48am

re: #133 Typicalwhitey

Just faxed this to the Legal dept of the RNC, the media department and emailed the chairman of the RNC.
Along with my letter

Awesome. Great job.

154 Diamond Bullet  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:59am

Like a rejected Onion headline:

"Cokehead Marxist Demands Police Intervention, More Waffles"

155 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:01am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

I keep thinking back to Obama's campaign speech regarding "a trained militia". People kept correcting me here that he didn't mean "armed militia". The press (including Fox news) have been saying that he didn't mean an armed militia.

OK. Fine.
Will somebody explain the difference in end result between "an armed militia" and the militia of press and elected officials he and his team are attempting to assemble?

156 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:05am

re: #102 Tigger2005

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info

I highly doubt that.

157 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:12am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

If he would quit with the Nazi tactics it might help. Why don't you write him and have him stop with the prosecutor shit?

158 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #80 Catttt

That reminds me - I need to renew my membership.

Lifetime member here *grin*

159 Fritz_Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:28am

Alien and Sedition Acts was signed into law by President John Adams. (If you haven't seen the HBO special -- it's out on DVD -- highly recommended).

Maybe it's not such a bad idea.... as long as it's only used against moonbats, commies, socialists, and liberals. /sarc

160 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:31am

re: #130 Globular Cluster

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

They don't have the puppets they need in other states?

161 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:38am

Rome is burning.

162 Clio  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:54am

re: #70 6pat6

Another reason most in the military can not stand B-HO is who he has as one of his military "advisors" - one retired AF General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, who is likely to be B-HOs first pick as his SecDef.

Believe me, you do NOT want to see this buffoon in that role! What he did to the AF in the '90s as the Air Force JCS rep is shameful, scandalous, and pure bullshit. He is the one that combined the commands SAC, TAC, MAC, etc, and did what is probably the worst thing to happen to the AF since its inception in 1947. He is a PC disaster.

Oh, but he gave the AF snazzy new uniforms, too "PUKE!" ...what a friggin' waste!

McPeak is even worse than you know. I once had the displeasure of working in the same organization with him for a year. Until I enountered him, I had thought that "Catch-22" was fiction.

But he goes beyond merely kooky -- he is a throughly nasty specimen.
He and Obama are a match made in hell.

163 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:57am

re: #126 kansas

Link with video please, Moby.

OK kansas, you know I'm not a Moby ... it was in one of the articles someone posted in the links, but I'm not able to find it right now, still searching.

164 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:58am

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]
Backlash to Obama officials squelching political speech

165 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:13am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

Just watch what the guy is already doing! Listen to his words! Know his associates! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out!

Maybe you are just a BHO troll.

166 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:27am

re: #96 loppyd

Heh...how many law-enforcement backed 'truth squads' do you think the McCain camp has working for them right now?

167 Octohedron[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:34am
168 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #130 Globular Cluster

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

I think the polls in Missouri are close.

169 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:41:29am

re: #78 formercorpsman
We are indeed at this point my friend. Please forgive my repost from the Duck thread:
Posted in: The Duck of Death

#14 realwest 9/27/2008 9:07:19 pm PDT

Hey all y'all - gee I thought Charles was never gonna put up a new thread!
Anyway, I wanted to say a special thanks to LGFer Typicalwhitey who dared to face down the lion.
First please listen to this video (ya gotta go through a 15 second commercial) [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Then y'all should know that Typicalwhitey had the brass to send this to: three other TV Stations, radio stations, the McCain Campaign Headquarters, her Governor and her Senators and Congresscritters.
It's apparently now on Drudge and I have had the distinct privilege of making some suggestions to Typicalwhitey about these District Attorneys and Sheriff's offices who are going to act as Obama Truth Squads. The Governor of Missouri, about 4 hours or so after Typicalwhitey sent the above video link to his office, issued a STRONG statement condemning this activity. I'm hoping that the FBI and/or the FEC to whom Typicalwhitey also wrote, will be investigating and perhaps suspending those D.A.'s and Sheriff's from their jobs.
HURRAY FOR TYPICALWHITEY!

170 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

Are you fucking kidding me Edgar?
He has come into MY state and is using OUR law enforcement to DECIDE what is "misleading" and what it NOT. AND THEY ARE DOING THIS ONLY FOR OBAMA>NOT for McCain!
My nephew DIED fighting for freedom and I will be DAMNED IF I ALLOW NAZI THUGS to stop a fair election in MY STATE.

171 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:01am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

Perhaps because he is using Nazi tactics? What do you want me to compare it with, Little Bo Peep?

172 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:07am

testing new e-mail

173 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:14am

re: #167 Octohedron

This is off topic, but it's excellent stuff...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Email it to someone you know.

174 Mad Mullah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:55am

This is hardly surprising. The left has always coddled terrorists, dictators and other forms for human scum. The left has never believed in free speech or rights, unless you are a terrorist, pedophile or murderer of course. Leftist brownshirts routinely attempt to shout down those who they disagree with, be it at a live event featuring a conservative speaker, or on the internet.

In accordance with this leftist, fascist ploy coming from a failed community worker and his thuggish comrades, I believe that Obama should be reported to the authorities in Missouri, because virtually everytime he opens his mouth, he tells more untruths, distortions and outright lies.

175 NR Pax  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:56am

Now waiting for the defense of "But Republicans do this too!" or a similar justification over this.

176 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:09am

Where is the ACLU on this?

/never mind..

177 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:24am

re: #162 Clio

Damn, sorry to hear that! He is probably the most despised AF General that I am aware of. Talk about someone with a serious narcissism problem!

178 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #45 rightwinger3

It's on a sign here. They misspelled Obama.

Here's the correctly spelled version.

179 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:53am

Arrr! Afternoon mates! Hats off to Typical Whitey for his work getting the issue out in the open on the conservative blogs! A true patriot in every sense of the word! Did anyone who saw this video notice the idiocy of the reporter for refusing to ask some very basic questions to the DA's concerning first amendment rights of free speech, or that the Obama "truth squad" legal intimidation might have a chilling effect on free and open debate. If the McCain campaign was doing this same action with republican DA's and Sheriffs this would be top news and the media justifiably ripping McCain a new one. But we only hear nothing but suppressed information from the MSM. I truly despise or our "elite" MSM and the political bias of what passes as journalism nowadays. We saw all this in 2004, and its even worse this election cycle. HAAAAR! Hangem' in the highest yardarm and leavem' up for a week!

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:59am

re: #159 Fritz_Katz

as long as it's only used against ...

THAT'S the kicker, and why the Alien & Sedition Laws should not be brought back. When you say "only", you're forced to necessarily begin to trust in the rule of men, not laws.

181 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:08am

re: #102 Tigger2005
Well I've never heard that (for what little that's worth) but if they did, at least they had the smarts not to say it ON VIDEOTAPE TO A TV NEWSCREW!

182 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:08am

More fascist tactics from the Obama brownshirts carried out in the name of The One. But this is no surprise. From flooding calls to media outlets interviewing Stanley Kurtz and David Freddoso to threatening the suspension of broadcast licenses. Barry's shock troops, and an Obama Justice Department, will shred civil liberties and perceived political "enemies" on a scale never seen before in this country. And he wants us to pay for his brownshirts should he take office. Saith the Obamessiah:

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.
183 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:12am

Yet liberals lying is ok?

184 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #164 pat

Gov. Matt Blunt today likened the intimidation to "police state tactics."


"St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign," said Blunt in a statement released today. "What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment."

A United States Senator endorsing police state tactics to silence free speech. Hang on to your hats, kids. This is going to be a long and wild ride.

185 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:24am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

A "happy, smiley faced" police state.

186 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #176 rightymouse

Where is the ACLU on this?

/never mind..

They will be getting their letters MONDAY.
Sent it to both offices in Missouri

187 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:05am

re: #108 loppyd
OH {loppyd} I'm SO GLAD to hear that great news!
Thank you!

188 SouthAmericanWay  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:07am

I am not shocked at all.

However, if this does not make YOU try to do all you can to help elect John McCain, I don't know what will. A radical Socialist in the presidency, a Democratic House, a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate - curtailing all the main liberties of American citizens.

As I have written repeatedly, a McCain-Hillary election would not mean much. But the fact that this radical is candidate has turned this election in the most important since 1980: it is either McCain or the end of America as we know it.

189 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:09am

THANK YOU, TYPICALWHITEY!

190 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:24am

Hoffnung heil!

191 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:32am

re: #163 Tigger2005

OK kansas, you know I'm not a Moby ... it was in one of the articles someone posted in the links, but I'm not able to find it right now, still searching.


Yeah, I know. I was tweaking you. But if McCain is doing it, you would hear the Demmie's whine. Plus McCain would stop them if he found out. Teleprompter Jesus, on the other hand, will not.

192 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #178 shiplord kirel

Here's the correctly spelled version.

Excellent. I googled but didn't see it. LOL.

193 freeus  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:42am

If the McCain people do not get out in front of this stuff and expose it, we are toast! I cannot understand why, when they were hitting him so hard, why now are they appearing to be back on their heels. This type of stuff is WHO Obama is and what we all saw coming from him in the very beginning.

It is time for the McCain people to take this to the mattresses! This is a political fight to the death with Obama. He asked us to fight with him, but he has got to fight back himself. I think he was good the other night and I expect him to really hit Obama with this bill in the next debates, but we need some hard hitting ads out here naming names with this kind of action from the Obama camp.

re: #84 Catttt

Things are getting very f**king weird.

Speaking of weird and how things are getting rathe scary, did anyone here notice THE ONE saying Imajerk may not be the most powerful leader in Iran to be dealing with? In other words, he seemed, to me, to be saying that perhaps Imajerk is not the one he would sit down with, but instead the Imams, (the religious zealot fruitcakes), who are behind Imajerk. I am not saying he is a Muslim, but placing things in that terminology and in that frame of reference gave me the willys.

194 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:01am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

I'm considering turning my dinger back on just to ding you down.

195 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:07am

re: #151 Typicalwhitey

Because WE are a battleground state.
ANd he probably is doing it more but those in other states are not stupid enough to go on camera and SAY IT

I emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC last night.
Sent this to various tv stations and newspapers.
To all four of the McCain offices etc.

You are my hero TW, thanks!

196 mama winger  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:42am

OT -

would everyone please go back to the Obama Bracelet thread and ding up post number 214? From a Gold Star LGF mother......

Let it be known.


thanks

197 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:45am

re: #183 wiffersnapper

Yet liberals lying is ok?


Liberal lying is redundant.

198 FlakMusic  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:53am

"We are the jack-booted thugs we've been waiting for."

199 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:00am

re: #4 The Other Les

Typical totalitarian behavior.

These are the people Orwell warned us about.

Ebonics meets Newspeak.

Big Brotha be watchin' you, you doubleplusungood cracka!

200 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:04am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

How is this policy different? How is it different than those used in the South during the Civil Rights movement?

201 Nutmeg  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:18am

re: #105 kynna

Glenn Reynolds is linking to tons of information about this madness. Watch him get served for being a conduit.

I would LOVE to see somebody serve the Instapundit on this matter. It would probably be their last sentient act...

202 rollingdivision  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:18am

Democrats are the US Bolsheviks and socialism in total is their goal. The leftist Democrats are all for eliminating economic freedom through economic socialism with all it's evils. Why would anyone think they would want to preserve political or other freedoms? Once the mob has momentum there will be no stopping them. So, look for government regulation of the media, person speech and politics.

203 West Coast Freedom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:19am

re: #123 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

Official song of the Obama Truth Gestapo Squad:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That is freaky - they all look like Hitlers with the nose shadow thing going on!

204 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:24am

re: #163 Tigger2005

OK kansas, you know I'm not a Moby ... it was in one of the articles someone posted in the links, but I'm not able to find it right now, still searching.

Ah, I still had the link open in my browser. It's an article in the Springfield News-Leader:

[Link: www.news-leader.com...]

The relevant quote:

But a review of McCain’s own truth squads shows he has a district attorney from New Mexico and the South Carolina attorney general ready to respond to misleading ads from Obama and Democrats in their respective states.

Now this from the same article is funny:

Democrats maintain the GOP has twisted the context of a news report to manufacture this controversy.

I think the St. Louis prosecutors made their intentions pretty clear in the news report.

205 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:53am

re: #186 Typicalwhitey

They will be getting their letters MONDAY.
Sent it to both offices in Missouri


Who will be getting letters and from whom?

206 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:02am

re: #194 MandyManners

I'm considering turning my dinger back on just to ding you down.

Why did you turn it off?

207 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:03am

re: #13 MandyManners

This link seems to be more popular than the 3 (the same) you posted last night on the duck thread. You always seem to be one step ahead of us.

re: #24 MandyManners

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #43 MandyManners

208 Octohedron[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:04am
209 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:05am

re: #187 realwest

No, thank you for the prayers.

210 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:10am

re: #130 Globular Cluster
Well as galloping granny linked to upthread, as did Killian Bundy upthread, they've also tried this shit in Pennsylvania - and who the hell else knows where?
In Missouri the dumb s.o.b.'s said it on video tape FOR a TV newscrew - that and Typicalwhitey's continuous attacks on them are why we're talking so much about Missouri!

211 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:13am

re: #19 FrogMarch

The governor of Missouri had to come out and tell Obama and his Marxist goon squads to leave the 1st amendment alone.

Wow. just Wow.


[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

I second your wow, and raise you two "holy *'s!"

Somebody send this link to Matt over at Drudge. This is front-page worthy.

If you have an email circle, blog or website lizards... push this today, and push it hard.

The MSM is going to look the other way on this, and refuse to report it.
Don't let them get away with it.

212 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:17am

re: #61 MandyManners

He couldn't stop Stanley Kurtz using the FOIA.

this is disgusting...

The day after he blocked my access to the CAC records, Rolling wrote an early morning letter to Ayers’s CAC co-founders, directing them to a New York Times reporter he believed to be friendly. Rolling’s message included what appear to be subtle instructions on how to handle the matter of Obama’s choice to be head of CAC. This suggests that Rolling was trying to preemptively shape the public story of Obama, Ayers, and CAC, before I or others could investigate the issue.
213 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:26am

re: #21 Wyatt Earp

Show of hands. Anyone surprised by this? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

I want to be surprised.

I wish I were surprised.

214 HillJack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:36am

Huh, Liberals have always lead to believe that Big Brother was a Republican. Oops, guess they were wrong.

215 bbuddha  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:19am

re: #94 Edgar

using law enforcement to chill opposition isn't mild by any stretch of the imagination. Really, are you just stirring the pot

216 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:30am

re: #193 freeus

Virtually everyone who's Muslim, figure Obama is a Muslim...(regardless of how much The Zero denies it...)

217 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:34am

re: #195 Wishing

You are my hero TW, thanks!


Thank real west too.....he has been my inspiration in all this and he has gone out of his way to encourage me.

I met Senator McCain at a Town Hall here, I gave him a picture of my nephew. He also could have shown that during the debate but he doesn't because he doesn't want to exploit his death.

I will not allow my nephews death for freedom to be trampled on by some Chicago hack.

I.WILL.NOT!

218 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:52am

re: #206 Sharmuta

Why did you turn it off?

It slows down everything for me.

219 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:30am

re: #207 twincitiesgirl

This link seems to be more popular than the 3 (the same) you posted last night on the duck thread. You always seem to be one step ahead of us.

re: #24 MandyManners

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #43 MandyManners

Fucking with the First Amendment really angers me.

220 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:36am

I think we should also be seriously concerned about the Ohio Secretary of State.

The McCain campaign is suing her over the absentee ballot issue.

221 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:43am

re: #182 Blackacre

Kristalnacht...

222 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #205 rightymouse

Who will be getting letters and from whom?

From me to the ACLU

223 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:55am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

Yes.

That's what Marxists do.

224 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:02am

re: #219 MandyManners

hadn't noticed/

225 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:29am

re: #172 FrogMarch

testing new e-mail

Did it work?

226 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:33am

re: #218 MandyManners

It slows down everything for me.

I think it's the ads, not the ratings that bog down page loading time.

227 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #82 Ruthless

re: #76 Ruthless

Two excellent posts - and your point about Obama hoping to lose is well worth pondering.
He may in fact feel that he's totally out of his depth - but lets not forget that he's been out into this position by very powerful people who have been keeping in the shadows, and who are more than willing to use B0 and thus the POTUS as their sock puppet ...

It must not be allowed to happen!

228 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:52:35am

re: #121 Karagush

that what he said when they started to put the cage of rats on his face in room 101. Its the moment in 1984 when the hero breaks, and gives up his lover.

I only read it once.

229 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:52:35am

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

230 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:08am

Obama's "god state" vision of what this country should be is not a secret. He proclaims it rather boldly.

231 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #183 wiffersnapper

Yet liberals lying is ok?

Liberals never lie, don't you know that? They are simply trying to rid us of mental negativity that could be harmful to our culture, and are attempting to inculcate patterns of correct thought.

232 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:24am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

I believe it IS happening in other states.

Its just that the morons in Missouri were willing to go ON CAMERA and SAY IT!

233 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:38am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

St Louis and the voters in it.

234 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:39am

re: #227 yma o hyd

re: #76 Ruthless

Two excellent posts - and your point about Obama hoping to lose is well worth pondering.
He may in fact feel that he's totally out of his depth - but lets not forget that he's been out into this position by very powerful people who have been keeping in the shadows, and who are more than willing to use B0 and thus the POTUS as their sock puppet ...

It must not be allowed to happen!

He'd be the uber sock puppet of all time.

235 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:45am

re: #51 The Other Les

I don't get the reference.

1984, where the thought police have finally broken Winston Smith.

236 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:47am

re: #220 arethusa

I think we should also be seriously concerned about the Ohio Secretary of State.

The McCain campaign is suing her over the absentee ballot issue.

She's an idiot and fortunately, her attempt to suppress absentee ballots sent to people by McCain has been on the news and I have confidence that she'll lose the battle. What she's doing is totally against the law.

237 right_on_target  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:56am

re: #70 6pat6

Another reason most in the military can not stand B-HO is who he has as one of his military "advisors" - one retired AF General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, who is likely to be B-HOs first pick as his SecDef.

Believe me, you do NOT want to see this buffoon in that role! What he did to the AF in the '90s as the Air Force JCS rep is shameful, scandalous, and pure bullshit. He is the one that combined the commands SAC, TAC, MAC, etc, and did what is probably the worst thing to happen to the AF since its inception in 1947. He is a PC disaster.

Oh, but he gave the AF snazzy new uniforms, too "PUKE!" ...what a friggin' waste!

____________________
I wonder if he'll have the new Obama SA unforms designed with nice epaulettes.

238 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:04am

re: #219 MandyManners

As it should everyone--it sent chills up and down my spine. Just imagine what he would do as POTUS.

239 Opinionated  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:14am

Law professor Barak Obama sees this as a simple patent case.

He and the Democrats hold the patent on lying and they want no competition on their specialty.

240 mama winger  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:18am

Some gave all

{mom2esf}

241 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:18am

File this under "who the hell asked you and why the hell should we care"

Brazil's Lula calls US bailout plan unfair to poor

"They want to help the banks and not help the poor," Lula said late on Saturday in Sao Paulo during a campaign rally ahead of Oct. 5 municipal elections.

"Why give $700 billion to the banks and no money to the poor guys who lost their houses," Lula asked, according to local media. He referred to the troubled U.S. housing market.

Of course he doesn't like it. It doesn't give a free pass to the millions of illegal immigrants from Brazil who used fake documents to secure mortgages for homes they knew they could never afford to pay for.

I have seen it first hand. The next town over is now referred to as "Little Brazil"

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:29am

re: #196 mama winger

Done

243 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:35am

re: #226 Sharmuta

I think it's the ads, not the ratings that bog down page loading time.

No. It's the dinger.

244 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:47am

re: #220 arethusa

I think we should also be seriously concerned about the Ohio Secretary of State.

The McCain campaign is suing her over the absentee ballot issue.

Voter fraud is OK when it is the Democrats doing the fraud.

245 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:50am

re: #129 pegcity

i think they are probably already in the planning stages, i've seen tons of pictures of kids dressed up in full obama gear.

this is a personality cult pure and simple, this will end in disaster.

But it fits the leftists mental state, anything that takes responisbility for ones actions away from the inidividual is aok with them, thinking is not their bag.

“Befehl ist Befehl!”

246 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:53am

re: #242 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Done

Ditto....

247 billhedrick  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:55am

What Obama has done:
Michelle has promised that Barry will require us to work, that we will not be allowed to retain our cynicism
Barry has promised a civilian social force as well funded as the military
He has several times tried to shut down criticism of him and will re-implement the fairness doctrine.
He feels free to lie about his accomplishments and deny his connections to avowed terrorists.
He uses the honored dead to forward himself despite the wishes of the family.
He has promised that his election will facilitate the healing of the planet.
He has promised to make us subject to treaties that we have historically rejected.
He is the choice for president of Socialists and Totalitarians across the world.

Barack Hussein Obama, the next president of the United States of America

248 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:56am

re: #222 Typicalwhitey

From me to the ACLU


Ok - thanks for the clarification.

249 FlakMusic  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:06am

re: #223 The Other Les

Yes.

That's what Marxists do.

What if the McCain campaign were doing this? The MSM would have their torches and pitch forks out, the Hollywood left would be shrieking about a police state. But if it's Obama's jack-booted "Truth" Squad, that's something they can get behind.

Some animals are more equal than others.

250 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #225 doriangrey

Did it work?

Yep! was they you?

251 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:34am

"that"

252 little boomer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #241 loppyd

File this under "who the hell asked you and why the hell should we care"

Brazil's Lula calls US bailout plan unfair to poor

Of course he doesn't like it. It doesn't give a free pass to the millions of illegal immigrants from Brazil who used fake documents to secure mortgages for homes they knew they could never afford to pay for.

I have seen it first hand. The next town over is now referred to as "Little Brazil"


Everett?

253 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:27am

Must drag myself to the grocery store.

Later!

254 BigJohn  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:28am

re: #82 Ruthless

It has been suggested in a few pieces that I have read that Obama did not expect to be nominated this time around. It was just a practice run.

255 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:35am

history is repeating it's self.
taking away freedom of speech is the first thing stalin and hitler did.
dictators silence the public and then the unspeakable begins.

256 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:38am

re: #204 Tigger2005

I think the St. Louis prosecutors made their intentions pretty clear in the news report.


The problem is that the Springfield paper is covering Obama's ass, using the equivalency argument and apparently lying about it. If this wouldn't stifle free speech [Link: www.kmov.com...] don't know what would. .

257 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:12am

re: #252 little boomer

Everett?

I live one town over from Peabody.

Framimgham is lost, too.

258 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:17am

re: #253 loppyd

Must drag myself to the grocery store.

Later!

if i gave you a list would you mind picking me up a few things?

259 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:18am

That whirring sound from Bonham Texas is my great uncle, Sam Rayburn "Mr. Democrat" himself, spinning in his grave.

260 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:26am

re: #247 billhedrick

not to mention mandated community service, cause Obama is the Community, so free work for Obama.

261 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:28am

After watching this I had to post it. Hmmmmm, Norman or Barry?

262 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:40am

re: #247 billhedrick

What Obama has done:
Michelle has promised that Barry will require us to work, that we will not be allowed to retain our cynicism
Barry has promised a civilian social force as well funded as the military
He has several times tried to shut down criticism of him and will re-implement the fairness doctrine.
He feels free to lie about his accomplishments and deny his connections to avowed terrorists.
He uses the honored dead to forward himself despite the wishes of the family.
He has promised that his election will facilitate the healing of the planet.
He has promised to make us subject to treaties that we have historically rejected.
He is the choice for president of Socialists and Totalitarians across the world.

Barack Hussein Obama, the next president of the United States of America

great summary.

263 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #260 pegcity

not to mention mandated community service, cause Obama is the Community, so free work for Obama.

Free work? Isn't considered slavery?

264 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:20am

re: #258 phoenixgirl

if i gave you a list would you mind picking me up a few things?

Sure thing. :)

I normally enjoy it, but it's raining....

265 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:28am

re: #257 loppyd

Loppy you got a long day today.

Doubleheader, but at least the Patriots are not on today

266 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #188 SouthAmericanWay

I am not shocked at all.

However, if this does not make YOU try to do all you can to help elect John McCain, I don't know what will. A radical Socialist in the presidency, a Democratic House, a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate - curtailing all the main liberties of American citizens.

As I have written repeatedly, a McCain-Hillary election would not mean much. But the fact that this radical is candidate has turned this election in the most important since 1980: it is either McCain or the end of America as we know it.

This election is much more important than 1980 you know. I remember all the way back to Ike 52 - and this is the most important of my entire lifetime.

267 methuseleh  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:41am

re: #73 Edgar

And I didn't believe that in 2008, we'd see a presidential candidate who would so brazenly sh*t on the First Amendment in an attempt to stifle any criticism against him. I didn't believe that half of the American population would be so deceived by a candidate that they'd still support him after he demonstrated such disdain for our most cherished founding principle.

So really, 1984 isn't so hard to believe, now.

PS: Edgar, you're part of the problem. Yes, you, along with your fellow blind Obama followers, are the problem. There is no defense for Obama's actions, no dissembly to cover the naked fascism of your candidate. Either you're for the freedom of speech, or you're for Obama. You can't be for both.

268 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:42am

re: #151 Typicalwhitey

Because WE are a battleground state.
ANd he probably is doing it more but those in other states are not stupid enough to go on camera and SAY IT

I emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC last night.
Sent this to various tv stations and newspapers.
To all four of the McCain offices etc.

You are my hero!

269 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:56am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

Much of Missouri's population is concentrated in two major cities, Kansas City and St. Louis. These cities tend to vote Democratic. There are some medium size cities and a very large rural population that tends to vote Republican. The NRA spent millions in Missouri trying to pass right to carry and failed. Several years ago, the widow of Democratic governor Mel Carnahan ran for Congress in her husband's place after he was killed in a plane crash, and managed to defeat former governor John Ashcroft (who then became Bush's attorney general).

As laid back as Missourians tend to be, we're a sharply divided state in some ways, and definitely an important swing state.

270 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:59am

re: #244 FrogMarch

Voter fraud is OK when it is the Democrats doing the fraud.

No. It's just not fraud when they do it. Get it?

271 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:02am

re: #263 Perplexed

thats racist, only white people can be connected to slavery, despite the fact it exists in parts of africa today and the middleast.

272 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:08am

This is what awaits us:

Taliban in Pakistan publicly flog butcher for selling non-halal meat (photo).

Police state tactics are police state tactics, whether they be medieval or futuristic.

273 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:11am

If anyone would like to help me in Missouri, just email me and I could give you some phone numbers etc

274 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:17am

re: #250 FrogMarch

Yep! was they you?

Probably, if it came from (mom's name)@cox.net then yes... ;)

275 Red Cloud  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:25am

The Democrat Party: When we promised you change, we didn't say it would be for the better.

276 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #265 smokefire

Loppy you got a long day today.

Doubleheader, but at least the Patriots are not on today

I know! I was thinking of making a sauce and becoming one with the couch when I get back.

277 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:27am

Here are the Missouri polls.

I assume Obama thinks he can win Missouri, but a little illegal help never hurts...

278 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:49am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Missouri has a history of being a battleground. In 2004 the polls in St. Louis were kept open into all hours of the night by a federal judge's order, to try to bump up the dem totals. But count on the same happening in VA, CO, NC, OH, NM, et cetera. The jackboots have torn up the rule book, and the Constitution along with it. The judges are blind. Now it begins.

279 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:51am

re: #270 kansas

No. It's just not fraud when they do it. Get it?

Oh yeah - when democrats commit fraud - it's for our own good.

280 cybermonk  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:52am

re: #106 pegcity


You are very right, back in the Spring or Summer of 2006, Obama's face was on the cover of Time, with the words, Will this be our NEXT president?

He had just been elected to the Senate, and had NO experience in Washington at all, but they weren't assuming his election sometime in the future, but in this election. This was planned from day one. Soros is behind it.

281 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:10am

re: #15 Racer X

Who are fascists now eh?

We haven't seen a right wing fascist since Napolean.

282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:11am

Naturally the Obamanauts shall be enshrined with the power to say what is true and what is not.

Believe it or not you have a right to lie. You have a right to be deceptive. You have a right to advertise your ideas and candidates how you see fit (within the bounds of the law). America was formed with the charming notion that voters are able to asses the character of potential candidates and, in the spirit of Edmund Burke select the individual who best represents their way of thinking.

So, if you want to vote for the candidate with proven ties to unrepentant terorrists- Ayers, Dohrn and Khalidi, the candidate who is tied to the most scurrilous Chicago Machine Pols, whose entire legislative record has been sealed or lost, whose foreign policy advisers are the creme de la creme of leftist defeatist one worldist anti-Israel, pro Iranian bomb let America be a fifth rate power, there is a Junior Senator from Illinois just for you!

If you want to pick a man who had almost every bone in his body broken by the enemy and never quit on his country, who warned the nation about the Fannie and Freddie scandals, who risked his Presidential ambitions on the surge and actually walks, talks and acts like a President, instead of a never did anything radical in moderate's clothing, you can vote for one of of the most distinguished man of our times, John McCain.

The choice is entirely up to you. But if you think I don't have a right to my words, I will fight you in court to the end; the First Amendment is cornerstone of our liberties. Obama shows his utter contempt for our political process and the opinions of others (specifically the opinions of people like us) when he tries to impede our right to express our ideas.

While it is not the highest level of political cricket to accuse Obama of voting for sex ed for five year olds with his education vote, it was true that the bill he voted for opened him up to the challenge in the same way that McCain is called out for agreeing with Bush 90% of the time.

Ultimately, it is to the voters to decide what they want. Obama's tactics are an indication that his political ambitions range beyond merely serving as the leader of the Republic but rather indicate he may possess a sinister vision of a new extremely radical form of government which places his party and ideas over our rights to law and civil discourse. He gives me new reasons to dislike him every day. Acts like this hint that he might very well be an American Hugo Chavez. As the drunk in the prole bar in Orwell's 1984 blubbered into his beer "we should na trusted 'em."

Fortunately, the Clintons are going to let the scaffolding collapse under his feet while the American public, the closer we get to the election, is wising up and, I am more and more confident, will see we are in times where we need a trusted proven leader: Obama is going to get crushed at the polls.

283 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:18am

re: #269 Tigger2005

Much of Missouri's population is concentrated in two major cities, Kansas City and St. Louis. These cities tend to vote Democratic. There are some medium size cities and a very large rural population that tends to vote Republican. The NRA spent millions in Missouri trying to pass right to carry and failed. Several years ago, the widow of Democratic governor Mel Carnahan ran for Congress in her husband's place after he was killed in a plane crash, and managed to defeat former governor John Ashcroft (who then became Bush's attorney general).

As laid back as Missourians tend to be, we're a sharply divided state in some ways, and definitely an important swing state.


The right to carry PASSED IN MISSOURI.

284 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:24am

re: #264 loppyd

Sure thing. :)

I normally enjoy it, but it's raining....

Ummm, cough cough... and some beer.... ;)

285 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:36am

Really gone now.

Have a fun day and keep on fighting the good fight!

286 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:46am

re: #276 loppyd

better half aka Vagabondis out getting the fixins for Taco Salad.
This Tuesday it will be 20 years.

287 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:56am

re: #269 Tigger2005

Much of Missouri's population is concentrated in two major cities, Kansas City and St. Louis. These cities tend to vote Democratic. There are some medium size cities and a very large rural population that tends to vote Republican. The NRA spent millions in Missouri trying to pass right to carry and failed. Several years ago, the widow of Democratic governor Mel Carnahan ran for Congress in her husband's place after he was killed in a plane crash, and managed to defeat former governor John Ashcroft (who then became Bush's attorney general).

As laid back as Missourians tend to be, we're a sharply divided state in some ways, and definitely an important swing state.


Actually Mel Carnahan was elected after he was dead and his wife was appointed to the seat by the Lt. Gov who had become the gov.

288 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:58am

re: #103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks - I ordered it right now!

289 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:01:27am

re: #272 zombie

to the left as long as they have youtube and starbucks they could care less.

bad things happen to other people in their minds.

that's why they are all for terrorists rights, and prisoners rights and third worlders rights

290 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:01:40am

re: #247 billhedrick

In "The Case Against Obama" the author also notes all the intimidation style politics Obama has used in the past to work his way up the ladder. One of his tactics was to make sure that there were no opponents running against him -- he made sure he was the only option on a ballot -- thus, he'd "win" through acclamation...Now that's silencing your opponents...

291 shibumi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:01:50am

I have mixed feelings about all of this.

Yes, it is absolutely terrifying that this is going on in 2008 in America. And yes, this kind of thuggery should be stopped immediately.

However, if this story gets traction (and we know the traditional media won't give it any attention) then perhaps more people will see that Telemprompter Jesus is a Marxist with no clothes. The fact that this story came out is huge, and I'm glad it came out now, rather than staying underground until lets say, the end of October.

So... send links to all your undecided friends, and remember to Buzz Up the story.

292 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:02:08am

re: #286 smokefire

Congrats in advance!

Bye!

293 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:02:26am

re: #290 J.S.

Great book. Got done reading it awhile ago. A MUST READ

294 contractem  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:02:33am

A group of trials of Soviet officials in the 1930s initiated by the premier, Joseph Stalin. Large numbers of these officials were imprisoned or executed for alleged disloyalty to Stalin. ( see Obama)

295 Red Cloud  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:19am

We need to keep this person out of the White House at all (legal) costs. This is typical Chicago politics, and he wants to purvey it on a national scale.

296 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:21am

re: #283 Typicalwhitey

The right to carry PASSED IN MISSOURI.

My bad ... but I think it failed the first time around.

297 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:37am

The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign;

Only ads on TV?
And what kind of people (no response needed) base their choice for a candidate on TV ads?

298 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:52am

re: #274 doriangrey

Probably, if it came from (mom's name)@cox.net then yes... ;)

your e-mail addy is not shown. (probably a good thing for privacy and wot not) but thanks!

299 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:01am

re: #294 contractem

A group of trials of Soviet officials in the 1930s initiated by the premier, Joseph Stalin. Large numbers of these officials were imprisoned or executed for alleged disloyalty to Stalin. ( see Obama)

The Purges, guess that Alaska will be useful for something other than oil drilling.

Our own little Siberia

300 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #235 Colonel Panik

1984, where the thought police have finally broken Winston Smith.

I should have remembered that.

301 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:14am

re: #223 The Other Les

Yes.

That's what Marxists do.

And fascists.

302 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:28am

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

303 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:38am

re: #282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Great post, as usual, and it's great to see you around again.

304 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:59am

re: #287 kansas

Actually Mel Carnahan was elected after he was dead and his wife was appointed to the seat by the Lt. Gov who had become the gov.

I really need to do research before I post and not rely on my imperfect memory ... lol

305 FredWM  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:00am

This sounds double plus ungood. Not only does he leave it up to his supporters to judge what is a lie, but they don't have to tell anyone until after the crime has been committed! He wins two ways. prior to the ad he's threatening them with jail time if they tell a lie and after the ad runs, no matter what they've said, his supporters can judge it a lie and thrown the TV station manager in jail! Brilliant. It repeals the First Amendment AND side-steps the Constitutional prohibition against Ex Post Facto laws! It's a two'fer.

306 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:00am

re: #271 pegcity

I worked with a guy who'd been in the Navy. They pulled into a port and the crew went on liberty. One guy came back with a woman in tow and tried to board the ship. They stopped him. After a bunch of questions the other crewman said "she's mine. I bought her fair and square." The OD called for a machinist to come up and remove her from chains then they sent her on her way. They told the purchaser that would have been a major international incident giving the Soviets a major coup if it had become widely known that US military were participating in local slave markets. After that they put the slave markets off limits to US personel.

307 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:09am

i am pretty sure, obama is planning on throwing all of us under the bus.
his closing remarks at the debate were chilling.

OBAMA: Well, let me just make a closing point. You know, my father came from Kenya. That's where I get my name.

And in the '60s, he wrote letter after letter to come to college here in the United States because the notion was that there was no other country on Earth where you could make it if you tried. The ideals and the values of the United States inspired the entire world.

I don't think any of us can say that our standing in the world now, the way children around the world look at the United States, is the same.

And part of what we need to do, what the next president has to do -- and this is part of our judgment, this is part of how we're going to keep America safe -- is to -- to send a message to the world that we are going to invest in issues like education, we are going to invest in issues that -- that relate to how ordinary people are able to live out their dreams.

And that is something that I'm going to be committed to as president of the United States.

308 yesandno  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:32am

THIS IS WHO THEY ARE. NOT SURPRISED IN THE LEAST.

Red Fascists.

309 Paul Green  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:41am

This strikes a definite chill -- the more so when one considers how an Obama administration is likely to receive the call for the criminalization of "Islamophobia" that is sure to come out of next spring's "Durban II" UN conference in Geneva. More on this here. (Doudou Diène is no longer UN Special Rapporteur "on racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related forms of intolerance," but the intellectual groundwork he laid on the "Islamophobia" issue is likely to endure.)

310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:42am

re: #272 zombie

This is what awaits us:

Taliban in Pakistan publicly flog butcher for selling non-halal meat (photo).

Police state tactics are police state tactics, whether they be medieval or futuristic.

And their faces are covered. Courage, without a doubt!
*spit*

311 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:53am

a 100 million people died around the world under communism.
and obama is already showing he will use the ruthless principles of this dictatorial system.
and he isn't even potus, YET.

312 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #302 avspatti

Welcome to the club. Better Half is so scared, as am I. Have not been this scared since..............................1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

313 tangerinesong  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:33am

Letter I sent yesterday to Jefferson County:

Let me get this straight. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer and St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch are going to silence free speech?

Well, as an attorney here in California with offices at the Plaza in Kansas City, my colleagues and I can’t wait to test your little gassy expose'.

Ms. Joyce and Messer's McCulloch and Boyer, we will be coming to your State. Try this on us or anyone we observe being harassed and we’ll take their case Pro bono first and second, Jefferson County does not posses the amounts of money needed to cover the judicial events coming your way. Every attorney from here to New York will be testing your little charade just because. My firm will be one of them. You issued this dilatory and faux intimidating challenge and we have gladly accepted.

TS

314 Knitwit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:40am

I don't know how to do links, but Newsweek has an article, "What If Obama Loses."

315 ornery elephant  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:43am

Before the campaign really started, my guess is that the DNC and the Obama people sat down (probably in some Kos Kid's dingy basement) and decided on a plan as to how they would deal with any sort of "Swift Boat" ad attack.

I think we now know what plan they came up with.

316 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:53am

I've said it before, I'll say it again, Obama is Mugabe Lite™

Same jackboot socialism, less filling.

317 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:19am

re: #302 avspatti

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

They do not believe that what they are doing is WRONG!
I don't understand this at all!

318 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:19am

If 0bama could do this to the First Amendment- imagine what the fate of the XXII Amendment will be.

319 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:28am

re: #267 methuseleh

Edgar, you're part of the problem... Either you're for the freedom of speech, or you're for Obama. You can't be for both.

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

320 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:42am

re: #290 J.S.

In "The Case Against Obama" the author also notes all the intimidation style politics Obama has used in the past to work his way up the ladder. One of his tactics was to make sure that there were no opponents running against him -- he made sure he was the only option on a ballot -- thus, he'd "win" through acclamation...Now that's silencing your opponents...

Don't forget that he tried that with John McCain some time back, raising the issue of McCain's birth in Panama.

321 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #275 Red Cloud

The Democrat Party: When we promised you change, we didn't say it would be for the better.

It is for the better, for them!

322 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:02am

re: #254 BigJohn

It has been suggested in a few pieces that I have read that Obama did not expect to be nominated this time around. It was just a practice run.

Yaar, They be right Big John! Obama knew he would never be nominated at the outset of the campaign. But you have to throw your name out there, and and you have to start a first campaign. Mates, Obama would not be the nominee unless the media had gone against Clinton and supported Obama. In the same action, Guilani lost Florida in the worst campaign ever, and Florida Democrats effectively gave us McCain as our candidate. At least McCain is qualified. Obama should not even be in the race. I truly despise our journalist. I spit on the grave of journalism!

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:07am

re: #288 yma o hyd

Thanks - I ordered it right now!

You're welcome. My parents had a copy. I read it in junior high school. It was a formative experience for a young boy.

324 mama winger  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:27am

re: #217 Typicalwhitey

I met Senator McCain at a Town Hall here, I gave him a picture of my nephew. He also could have shown that during the debate but he doesn't because he doesn't want to exploit his death.

I will not allow my nephews death for freedom to be trampled on by some Chicago hack.

I.WILL.NOT!

God bless you and your entire family. I have a debt to your nephew that I can never repay.

325 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:29am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Then what you you compare the intimidation of political free speech to?

326 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:38am

re: #302 avspatti

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

The media will conduct purges of its members who don't have their minds right on the issues like "Obama is great, Obama is good" and Pelosi will really be able to drill your brains

327 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:57am

re: #325 Sharmuta

Then what you you compare the intimidation of political free speech to?

Er- What would you compare it too.

/Sorry- I need more coffee.

328 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:59am

re: #314 Knitwit

here you go....................

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

329 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #325 Sharmuta

Then what you you compare the intimidation of political free speech to?

Canada's HRC...

330 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #329 Edgar

Canada's HRC...

And how is Canada's HRC not Big Brother?

331 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:39am
332 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:44am

re: #315 ornery elephant

Before the campaign really started, my guess is that the DNC and the Obama people sat down (probably in some Kos Kid's dingy basement) and decided on a plan as to how they would deal with any sort of "Swift Boat" ad attack.

I think we now know what plan they came up with.

OE..................................... Good morning your pachydermness............. :)

333 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:44am

re: #330 Sharmuta

And how is Canada's HRC not Big Brother?

Or fascist?

334 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:46am

re: #318 Sharmuta

If 0bama could do this to the First Amendment- imagine what the fate of the XXII Amendment will be.

EEK!

335 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:06am

re: #327 Sharmuta

Er- What would you compare it too.

/Sorry- I need more coffee.

Stalin. We better watch out.

336 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:13am
337 auldtrafford  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:15am

This story should also bring to everyone's mind the tactics Barry used to win all his elections in Illinois - find a personal attack against your opponent and force him off the ballot - leaving Li'l Barry a clear field.

No issues - just thuggery.

338 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:15am

I'm just glad the First Amendment has the Second Amendment covering its flank.

339 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:29am

re: #330 Sharmuta

And how is Canada's HRC not Big Brother?

They aren't anywhere near as extreme as the totalitarian government in 1984

340 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:33am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Really?
Then answer me this Edgar.

I exercise my right to free speech by donating to the NRA say.
What is to stop a sheriff or prosecutor for hauling me into court for supporting a "misleading" ad?

They can't win, of course, but they can SILENCE PEOPLE with just the threat.
Once you let a foot in the door....it will soon be over.

I am SLAMMING that door on their damn foot!

341 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:41am

Barack Hussein Obama is a thug.

I say this without even a bit of hesitation: I'm a former Democrat, and I've been a voter for over 30 years now. That's a long time, and I have never seen a campaign for the US Presidency that is more politically corrupt, than the Obama campaign.

342 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:48am

re: #316 Colonel Panik

I've said it before, I'll say it again, Obama is Mugabe Lite™

Same jackboot socialism, less filling.

he may be mugabe lite, now.
but if he gets in office he will make mugabe look like a kindly grandfather.

343 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:54am

re: #307 phoenixgirl

I think the Obama is grandiose enough to think he will be perceived as President of the World. Our borders will not be secured by him, that's for certain.

344 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:08am

re: #339 Edgar

They aren't anywhere near as extreme as the totalitarian government in 1984

Where do you think they get their start? Fascist regimes don't magically appear overnight, you know.

345 ornery elephant  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:10am

re: #332 doriangrey

DG ! Howdeeeee!

346 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:15am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

347 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:43am

I think it's important for all of us to comprehend what's going on in Missouri and Pennsylvania and - I'm sure - other states.
The Barack Obama Campaign is getting local law enforcement officials to state that they will go after anyone who publishes something that isn't true about Obama. The dolts in Missouri actually said exactly that on videotape to a TV News crew who made no comment about it and moved on to another story.
But those District Attorneys, Sheriff's and state attorneys general are PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are supposed to serve and protect everyone including McCain supporters.
And yet, they have the absolute nerve to actually threaten voters who dare to criticize Obama (or not speak the truth about Obama - and they'll be the judge of whether or not what you say publicly, about a public figure running for President of the United States is "truthful" or not).
This truly abhorrent behavior strikes at the very foundations of our nation's liberties and Constitutional rights and IT MUST BE VIGOROUSLY RESISTED.
As many of you know, I am an attorney - although I gave up my license to practice law when I was diagnosed with cancer and could no longer work as a lawyer. But if any LG Fer finds evidence of this kind of attack on our Constitution and attempts at voter intimidation, my nickname is in blue; feel free to contact me and I will assist YOU in resisting these attacks on our Nation's freedoms, liberties and indeed, our way of life.

348 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:02am

re: #339 Edgar

They aren't anywhere near as extreme as the totalitarian government in 1984

The very fact that it exists is anti-freedom.

349 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:06am

re: #326 SpartanWoman

The media will conduct purges of its members who don't have their minds right on the issues like "Obama is great, Obama is good" and Pelosi will really be able to drill your brains

So when Pelosi finds that special someone then for the first time she will proudly proclaim "Drill Here, Drill Now".

350 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:17am

Mark Levin a few weeks back interviewed one of nobamas fellow law school students who quoted the One as saying, " I don't believe people should own guns",,,I also recall hussein saying more recently, ",,we're not going to mess with your guns, okay?",,,I DON"T BELIEVE HIM!,,(must google martial law now,,can the prez have weapons confiscated in a state of martial law?)

351 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:23am

re: #343 jaunte

I think the Obama is grandiose enough to think he will be perceived as President of the World. Our borders will not be secured by him, that's for certain.

After all "world opinion" drove the online debate polls and I would not be surprised to learn that paypal money came from abroad for his campaign

352 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:40am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Support by dissociative assertion is still support regardless of the turpitude of the assertion.

353 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:49am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

I might have thought that too before I saw his circuit court prosecuting attorneys openly stating their intentions on TV without a hint of embarrassment. Like they'd never even heard of the 1st Amendment, or considered it a joke or a minor inconvenience.

Who knows how many other Obama kool-aid drinkers are out there in positions of power, with such cavalier attitudes toward freedom of speech?

354 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:51am

re: #347 realwest

I regret that I can upding you but once.

355 J'accuzzi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:00am

Change.

"I disapprove of what you say and I will defend to the death my right to suppress it."

He must think he is running for president of where? Saudi?

356 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:05am

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

Maybe so, but look what has occured there. 1000% inflation, war in the streets, an economy in ruins.

357 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:06am

re: #340 Typicalwhitey

Really?
Then answer me this Edgar.

I exercise my right to free speech by donating to the NRA say.
What is to stop a sheriff or prosecutor for hauling me into court for supporting a "misleading" ad?

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

358 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:21am

re: #313 tangerinesong

Letter I sent yesterday to Jefferson County:

Let me get this straight. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer and St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch are going to silence free speech?

Well, as an attorney here in California with offices at the Plaza in Kansas City, my colleagues and I can’t wait to test your little gassy expose'.

Ms. Joyce and Messer's McCulloch and Boyer, we will be coming to your State. Try this on us or anyone we observe being harassed and we’ll take their case Pro bono first and second, Jefferson County does not posses the amounts of money needed to cover the judicial events coming your way. Every attorney from here to New York will be testing your little charade just because. My firm will be one of them. You issued this dilatory and faux intimidating challenge and we have gladly accepted.

TS

Arrr! You go dude!

359 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:24am

I really don't think of Obama as an American citizen (sorry, this is my opinion). He was raised in Indonesia -- up until grade 6 he lived abroad -- never attended an American elementary school...I think Obama is a "citizen of the world" (not of the United States). He's only a citizen in a technical sense...in a legal sense he's a citizen -- but I think his "heart" lies with the United Nations and the rest of "the world."

360 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:36am

re: #350 Gorgon Zola

He left himself the option of banning ammunition.

361 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:49am

re: #282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If I could double up-ding that I would.

362 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:58am

re: #357 Edgar

What's your fucking point?

363 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #29 MandyManners

Just making my way up thread and saw this, someone should send these to Fox News or Rush L or Drudge. This needs wide attention from the American public. I remember reading about his slimy tactics in his early political career. He was successful getting opponents removed from the ballots so he could "win" the election.

364 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #301 galloping granny

And fascists.

Actually if you look at the history of Fascism you would find that Marx is a significant influence on their doctrine. Actually the Fascists to some degree attempted to practice an number of thing advocated by Progressives here in the USA.

365 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:28am

re: #81 loppyd

I find it ironic that moonbats have been screaming about their rights being violated under the Bush "regime" yet something like this comes about and it's fair game because it is to the benefit of The One.

"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word." Marcuse

366 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:34am

re: #356 smokefire

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

This is going a bit too far, IMO.

367 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:43am

re: #363 twincitiesgirl

Just making my way up thread and saw this, someone should send these to Fox News or Rush L or Drudge. This needs wide attention from the American public. I remember reading about his slimy tactics in his early political career. He was successful getting opponents removed from the ballots so he could "win" the election.

They read here.

368 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:14am

re: #359 J.S.

I really don't think of Obama as an American citizen (sorry, this is my opinion). He was raised in Indonesia -- up until grade 6 he lived abroad -- never attended an American elementary school...I think Obama is a "citizen of the world" (not of the United States). He's only a citizen in a technical sense...in a legal sense he's a citizen -- but I think his "heart" lies with the United Nations and the rest of "the world."

I agree. His attachments to this country are wispy despite his newly minted "I love America too much...." lines

369 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:16am

re: #362 MandyManners

What's your fucking point?

Mandy, are you not mature enough to debate an issue without cursing?

Read it again.

370 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:36am

re: #366 Edgar

This is going a bit too far, IMO.

How unfortunate.

371 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:41am

re: #357 Edgar

"I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked."
These two things don't go together.

372 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:48am

re: #369 Edgar

I read it and I still don't understand what you wrote.

373 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:05am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.
So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

What?
By stopping those so called "attacks" HE IS CURTAILING FREE SPEECH.

Free speech isn't just defined by what OBAMA THINKS IT IS!

You don't get it Edgar

374 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:15am

re: #331 ploome hineni

that is all a lie, actually

people around the world STILL want to come to AMerica for education

and the fact that some people in USA do not succeed academicallyis not a function of money, it is a function of their ability, their family values and theor parents responsibility

we are at the point in our countrym where anyone can be whatever they want to be

and the Obamination is a perfect example

Obama is a fucking liar

The United States of America has the number one higher education system in the world - and the entire world knows it. That isn't the only reason people come here though. If we are as bad as Obama likes to tell us we are, then WHY do millions of people come legally every year and millions more risk their very lives to come illegally? Nobody is breaking down the doors to get into Mother Russia, or Red China, North Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iran - nobody at all. Most people would have to be dragged to those places at gunpoint.

375 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #372 MandyManners

I read it and I still don't understand what you wrote.

Then why bother commenting on it? Seriously.

376 rightside  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:25am

re: #352 doriangrey

dorian!

377 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:35am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter. Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Really. When was the last time you read 1984? The intimidation shown in the novel goes from the outright "in your face" to the sublime.

I would say that this article above is on the same level of the "Big Brother" posters that were plastered all over Oceania.

Having public officials, 2 district attorneys and a sheriff, even in a private capacity, speaking to the media, and standing in front of Obama signs, is very sublime propaganda and intimidation, such as the "Big Brother" posters. Silent but simple.

And, a number of LGF's have ASK YOU WHAT IS TO MUCH. All you have managed to do is evade answering anyones questions. How about telling us why you think that this is OK.

378 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:56am

Edgar- you name me one, just ONE totalitarian regime that didn't work by means of incrementalism towards repressing their people. It starts small- they take away one little liberty the people don't notice or mind (due to security) that the government encroaches upon, then the next thing you know, they take more and more.

You don't see this as sliding towards fascism? Pray tell- what would convince you?

379 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:58am

re: #280 cybermonk

You are very right, back in the Spring or Summer of 2006, Obama's face was on the cover of Time, with the words, Will this be our NEXT president?

He had just been elected to the Senate, and had NO experience in Washington at all, but they weren't assuming his election sometime in the future, but in this election. This was planned from day one. Soros is behind it.

I have to agree.

Obama is a 100 percent manufactured candidate with zero authenticity, culled from the crooked back rooms of Chicago politics and heavily funded by George Soros. They started grooming him for this long before his arrival in Washington.

Every time I see hisf ace on TV, or even hear his voice, I feel sick to my stomach.

380 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:08am

re: #373 Typicalwhitey

What?
By stopping those so called "attacks" HE IS CURTAILING FREE SPEECH.

Free speech isn't just defined by what OBAMA THINKS IT IS!

You don't get it Edgar

Yes, I agree. I'm not saying he is right. That's just what I think his motivation is.

381 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:12am

#357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

Maybe you could send him a pacifier and a blanky to make him feel better.

He's running for POTUS, not head of Baby Huey's fan club.

382 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:26am

re: #282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Yet another in a string of truly wonderful posts. Thank you.

383 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:26am

re: #347 realwest

I think it's important for all of us to comprehend what's going on in Missouri and Pennsylvania and - I'm sure - other states.
The Barack Obama Campaign is getting local law enforcement officials to state that they will go after anyone who publishes something that isn't true about Obama. The dolts in Missouri actually said exactly that on videotape to a TV News crew who made no comment about it and moved on to another story.
But those District Attorneys, Sheriff's and state attorneys general are PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are supposed to serve and protect everyone including McCain supporters.
And yet, they have the absolute nerve to actually threaten voters who dare to criticize Obama (or not speak the truth about Obama - and they'll be the judge of whether or not what you say publicly, about a public figure running for President of the United States is "truthful" or not).
This truly abhorrent behavior strikes at the very foundations of our nation's liberties and Constitutional rights and IT MUST BE VIGOROUSLY RESISTED.
As many of you know, I am an attorney - although I gave up my license to practice law when I was diagnosed with cancer and could no longer work as a lawyer. But if any LG Fer finds evidence of this kind of attack on our Constitution and attempts at voter intimidation, my nickname is in blue; feel free to contact me and I will assist YOU in resisting these attacks on our Nation's freedoms, liberties and indeed, our way of life.

Arrr mate, be damned glad to have guarding me' back any time. You are a true friend and a great American! God bless you!

384 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:59am

re: #372 MandyManners

I read it and I still don't understand what you wrote.

What he said was, my support of Obama is not to be confussed with support for Obama whom although I clearly support I am denying that very obvious support.

385 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:00am

at gunowners dot org:

"It is important to observe that, without a presidential declaration of martial law, President Wilson ordered the U.S. Army to:

* disarm American citizens -- including state and local officials, expressly including sheriffs, the police, and the National Guard;(8)

* arrest American citizens;

* monitor state judicial process and to rearrest (holding in military custody) persons released by the state courts, and

* deny writs of habeas corpus issued by state courts.

Nor was President Wilson the first president who both acknowledged and exercised these presidential powers -- even to use the U.S. military to disarm rebellious Americans (without any technical requirement to define who is rebellious)."

386 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #170 Typicalwhitey

Are you fucking kidding me Edgar?
He has come into MY state and is using OUR law enforcement to DECIDE what is "misleading" and what it NOT. AND THEY ARE DOING THIS ONLY FOR OBAMA>NOT for McCain!
My nephew DIED fighting for freedom and I will be DAMNED IF I ALLOW NAZI THUGS to stop a fair election in MY STATE.

Wish I could give you a gazillion updings - for this post and for what you've don, taking the initiative and alerting the RNC and everybody to this!

You're one courageous lady!

387 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:13am

re: #371 jaunte

"I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked."
These two things don't go together.

...............he does not want to be attacked, but it's OK to dredge up all kinds of crap about McCain that's untrue or Palin that's untrue, and call it Politics.
Sounds like we have a serious skin problem. NO, NOT THAT KIND, thin skinned problem.

388 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:13am

I've run into this story a couple of times the past few days and am not all surprised that Obama is playing this election the "Chicago Way".

389 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:16am

re: #313 tangerinesong

Letter I sent yesterday to Jefferson County:

Let me get this straight. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer and St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch are going to silence free speech?

Well, as an attorney here in California with offices at the Plaza in Kansas City, my colleagues and I can’t wait to test your little gassy expose'.

Ms. Joyce and Messer's McCulloch and Boyer, we will be coming to your State. Try this on us or anyone we observe being harassed and we’ll take their case Pro bono first and second, Jefferson County does not posses the amounts of money needed to cover the judicial events coming your way. Every attorney from here to New York will be testing your little charade just because. My firm will be one of them. You issued this dilatory and faux intimidating challenge and we have gladly accepted.

TS

THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!

390 DesertSage  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:16am

Is Obama employing Brown Shirt type tactics now?

391 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:19am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

Are you serious? Trying to stop a verbal or written attack IS curtailment of free speech. It is unconstitutional, AGAINST THE FREAKING LAW, for someone to "get in trouble" for advocating actions that are legal in and of themselves.

These assholes should be arrested.

392 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:21am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

You gotta be kidding me! His goal is to suppress all criticism of himself. You notice he does not suggest these policies be used against those who smear McCain. His concept of freedom is only freedom for Donks

393 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:24am

re: #357 Edgar

He just doesn't want to be attacked.

Neither does Sarah Palin. But they are running for office, and it happens. What is revealing is what they are willing to do about it. Apparently the Obama camp is willing to dump the Constitution over it, or try.

But there are those of us who have sworn to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

394 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:27am

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

And, a number of LGF's have ASK YOU WHAT IS TO MUCH. All you have managed to do is evade answering anyones questions. How about telling us why you think that this is OK.

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

395 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:47am

re: #363 twincitiesgirl

Just making my way up thread and saw this, someone should send these to Fox News or Rush L or Drudge. This needs wide attention from the American public. I remember reading about his slimy tactics in his early political career. He was successful getting opponents removed from the ballots so he could "win" the election.

Rush already discussed this Friday and mentioned Gateway Pundit by name.

396 Random63  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:48am

re: #159 Fritz_Katz

I haven't seen the mini-series yet, but I am reading the book. It's excellent! I recommend everyone read this book and to start reading good biographies of our founding fathers and of that time period. With that in mind, anyone know of a good biography of George Washington written by a unbiased historian?

Be safe and well.

397 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #376 rightside

dorian!

Good morning Sir...

398 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #302 avspatti

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

did you see the city circuit att., jennifer joyce say, WE don't want people lying abt obama, uh uh. . . the people of missouri don't want people lying.
but of course nothing said abt. the myriad of lies obama and his henchmen constantly spew.
this is beyond sinister.

399 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:11am

re: #346 Colonel Panik

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

Don't forget his cousin Raila Odinga

400 abolitionist  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:17am

Three or so years ago, a local newspaper had a front page article saying members of FOI* would be, with some public funding, patrolling our local parks on bicycles in order to help keep us all safe from druggies and muggers. (Sorry, no link.)

* Mosque #7 Jr. FOI Drill Team

Mosque #7 didn't get much scrutiny after 911.

Mosque #7 didn't get much scrutiny in 1972 when NYPD police were lured there by a bogus 911 call and then ambushed amidst cries of “Allah Akhbar”. One officer died of his injuries.

Knapp called Commissioner Pat Murphy and advised him of the turmoil inside and outside the mosque. While Knapp is talking on the phone, he heard shouting. He turned and saw Louis Farrakhan and Charlie Rangel leading a large group of muslims down the basement stairs. Farrakhan is shouting that all the cops must leave the temple. Knapp tells Haugh to move to the street.

Now Deputy Commissioner Ben Ward arrives, with Farrakhan at his side, he shouts to the superior officers that the cops immediately leave the mosque. The crime scene was abandoned. Farrakhan and Rangel are shouting to the superior officers “if you stay, there is nothing we can do to protect you. You’ll be overrun. There’ll be rioting. People may be killed.” Farrakhan and Rangel ‘promise’ that the prisoners would come to the 24 pct. at five o’clock to be questioned. Do you think anyone showed up?

Rangel has been US Representative from Harlem since 1971. And where is he now? What? I have to pay income taxes? Who knew?

The Committee of Ways and Means is the chief tax-writing committee of the United States House of Representatives.

Charlie Rangel And Obama's "Civilian Defense Corps"

/shiver

401 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:20am

re: #390 DesertSage

Is Obama employing Brown Shirt type tactics now?

DON'T say that! You'll upset Edgar.

402 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:21am

re: #380 Edgar

Yes, I agree. I'm not saying he is right. That's just what I think his motivation is.

To win by keeping people ignorant?

403 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:32am

re: #375 Edgar

Then why bother commenting on it? Seriously.

Go piss up a rope.

404 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:49am

re: #380 Edgar

Yes, I agree. I'm not saying he is right. That's just what I think his motivation is.

His motivation is to win by any means necessary and make new rules that will only apply to the opposition

405 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:11am

The only thing wrong with comparing Obama with Hitler et al is that it gives him too much credit for being anything better than a TOOL for those who slipped him into the position he now has. No conspiracy stuff, just gotta know someone THIS completely useless should not be so close to POTUS.

406 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:17am

re: #403 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

You need some new material...

407 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:21am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

ANY suppression of free speech should not be tolerated.

408 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:23am

BTW, I love sensing Mandy's moxie in her comments.

/ Although, I'd probably wouldn't like it as much if it was directed negatively against me.

409 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:25am

Obama gave one of the silliest speeches I ever heard yesterday. He was railing on McCain because McCain did not use the phrase "middle class" during the debate. Ok.......?

410 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:28am

re: #390 DesertSage

Is Obama employing Brown Shirt type tactics now?

Define NOW....

411 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #371 jaunte

"I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked."
These two things don't go together.

So, if the truth is what he considers an attack, it's not curtailing free speech? Please.

412 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:39am

re: #404 SpartanWoman

His motivation is to win by any means necessary and make new rules that will only apply to the opposition

Yes, and there is no disagreement on that.

413 DesertSage  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:50am

re: #401 Sharmuta

DON'T say that! You'll upset Edgar.

Who's Edgar?

414 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:58am

re: #384 doriangrey

What he said was, my support of Obama is not to be confussed with support for Obama whom although I clearly support I am denying that very obvious support.

My head is spinning so wildly that I'm sick to my tummy.

415 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:59am

re: #342 nyc redneck

he may be mugabe lite, now.
but if he gets in office he will make mugabe look like a kindly grandfather.

Especially if he gets his Obama Brown Shirts; er, Civilian Corps together. Nothing like a literal NeighborHOOD Watch Group, eh?

416 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:01am

re: #352 doriangrey

Support by dissociative assertion is still support regardless of the turpitude of the assertion.

Damn.

417 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:13am

re: #401 Sharmuta

DON'T say that! You'll upset Edgar.

I'm sorry he's so effin delicate

418 cybermonk  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:14am

re:

419 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:34am

re: #407 Sharmuta

ANY suppression of free speech should not be tolerated.

For the millionth time, I agree. I wasn't arguing that it should.

420 unclassifiable  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:36am

I must have tried four times to write something coherent.

Anger overwhelmed me and everything seemed irrational and discombobulated.

So deep breaths and...

If battles cannot be fought with words, they will be fought with blood.

421 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:57am

Chicago thug Politics.

Right out of the Mayor Daley play book.
Daley the father not the son.

Chicago Thug Politics....................hmmm didn't Bill Clinton say that about Barry?

422 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:06am

"He just doesn't want to be attacked."

As I have said here for years, media-conformist lefties actually, literally believe that they have a constitutional right to be immune from criticism or disgreement, along with access to the forum of their choice, the right to an audience, and the right to be taken seriously.

423 auldtrafford  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:15am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

Yes - and a few harmless little old medical experiments on a couple useless Jews is good for society.

424 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:16am

re: #394 Edgar

"some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control".

Maybe not, but it's on the same dark road.

425 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:25am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

ANY SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT EQUALS TOTALITARIAN MIND CONTROL.

426 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:29am

re: #394 Edgar

...and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

You really are a fool if you think "some suppression" of free speech is OK.

427 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:48am

re: #407 Sharmuta

ANY suppression of free speech should not be tolerated.

Precisely, maybe Edgar should tell us how much suppression is needed before you cross a magical line into "bad suppression"

428 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:54am

re: #386 yma o hyd

Wish I could give you a gazillion updings - for this post and for what you've don, taking the initiative and alerting the RNC and everybody to this!

You're one courageous lady!

I don't know about the courageous part lol.
But I do know that until you have a little skin in the game and actually lose someone who has fought for your freedom, it's hard to realize just what it takes to keep it. And how strongly you will defend it!

Besides, my nephew would come back and kick my ass for not having the guts to stand up for what he sacrificed for! ;)

429 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:22:58am

re: #411 avspatti

I was quoting Edgar's statement in that post, and pointing out that you can't have free speech without the risk of being attacked in a political campaign. You're right, curtailment of free speech is happening when your pet law enforcement is telling people they shouldn't tell (unspecified) "lies" about Obama.

430 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:23:04am

re: #378 Sharmuta

Edgar- you name me one, just ONE totalitarian regime that didn't work by means of incrementalism towards repressing their people. It starts small- they take away one little liberty the people don't notice or mind (due to security) that the government encroaches upon, then the next thing you know, they take more and more.

You don't see this as sliding towards fascism? Pray tell- what would convince you?

This is, unfortunately, the argument I think we will hear from many Obama supporters, claiming that the Patriot Act does the same thing. Actually, they've been making that claim since the Patriot Act was passed. Of course, I haven't heard of any moonbats being imtimidated or prosecuted for saying whatever they like about Bush, the military, or the U.S. in general, and of course the Patriot Act contains no such provisions, but they've made up their minds that it does and there's no reasoning with them.

In fact, they will probably rationalize to themselves that this Truth Squad thing is just fine and dandy, since Bush is running an evil police state already and anything goes to defeat it.

431 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:23:12am

re: #183 wiffersnapper

Yet liberals lying is ok?

If someone is lying, regardless who it is, you can counter with the truth.
Just shouting 'lies, lies', as the B0-campaign has been doing, doesn't cut it.

If its lies, it falls under the slander and libel laws and can be prosecuted there.
Point is, though - you've got to show irrefutably that they have in fact lied.
Your saying so doesn't make it so - only facts count. And these have to be presented before a judge in a court of law.

The B0 campaign doesn't have facts to counter what they claim are lies - thus they have to resort to scare tactics and worse.

432 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:23:22am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

Oh, I see. Some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control. I see, we aren't nuanced enough to see that some suppression is OK.

Than, Edgar, I suggest you shut up on this thread. No more post to this threads. You can post on other topics, but I want to put a little suppression whoop ass on you.

IGNORE ANY NEW POSTS BY EDGAR ON THIS TOPIC>

433 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:23:46am

re: #412 Edgar

Yes, and there is no disagreement on that.

Haar! Good luck Edger, my guess is Mandy will wipe the floor with ye.

434 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:02am

ANY SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT EQUALS TOTALITARIAN MIND CONTROL.

Mandy how about yelling FIRE in a crowded theater?

435 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:02am

re: #419 Edgar

For the millionth time, I agree. I wasn't arguing that it should.

In that case, would you tell us why the Obama team isn't threatening ads that promote him?

436 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:02am

In a little over a year from now, . . .

The One will speak, . . .

"Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!"

437 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:03am

re: #404 SpartanWoman

His motivation is to win by any means necessary and make new rules that will only apply to the opposition

And immediately greatly expand the power of the (activist, left-wing) unelected Judiciary so that the people of the nation are effectively disenfranchised. This will be the first and most significant step of the Obama puppeteer gang of sixties radicals and Marxists.

438 Knitwit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:22am

re: #297 solomonpanting
I'd bet that there are a whole lot of people who can't/don't read, and thus get all their information from the almighty tube!

439 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:37am

I'm suddenly reminded that I need to go scoop the cat's litter.

440 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:46am

re: #424 mitthrawnurdo

"some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control".

Maybe not, but it's on the same dark road.

Ok, but explain to me why calling Obama a "nazi" will help stop this?

441 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:47am

re: #419 Edgar

For the millionth time, I agree. I wasn't arguing that it should.

You're arguing that we shouldn't compare this tactic from the 0bama regime to other regimes who've done the same thing.

You're saying we shouldn't call 0bama names. That's fine. Let 0bama come and arrest me.

442 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:53am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

Oh!

You really need to re-read what you wrote.

"Some suppression of free speech" is - in a political context - the beginning of totalitarian mind control.

In a political context, there are no holds on speech, not even good taste.

443 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:55am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

WHAT?
That mindset is EXACTLY HOW IT STARTS!

G-d why did my nephew have to die to defend idiots like this who don't appreciate it?!?!?!?

444 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:55am

re: #426 6pat6

You really are a fool if you think "some suppression" of free speech is OK.

ditto that

445 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:24:58am

re: #394 Edgar

GAZE

446 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:04am

re: #347 realwest

I notice also that these "law enforcement officials" used the opportunity to turn the whole thing is into a political ad for Obama.

"Obama is not a Muslim and he isn't going to give anyone making under $______ (this much) a tax cut."

If it weren't so scary - it's almost comical.

447 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:16am

re: #434 smokefire

ANY SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT EQUALS TOTALITARIAN MIND CONTROL.

Mandy how about yelling FIRE in a crowded theater?

That's been decided by the Supreme Court.

448 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:17am

re: #383 LoFlyer
Thank you my friend.

449 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #430 Tigger2005

I haven't thought of that "defense" being used by the Obamatrons for their blatant suppression of the 1st Amendment, but you're right.

/Moonbats believe that they live in a "police state", so any barbarity that they employ towards their supposed oppressors is justified. They take all that "fight the power" garbage way too seriously.

450 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:35am

re: #445 rightwinger3

GAZE

GAZE GAZE

451 Nancy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:40am

Missouri has the unique distinction that no President has ever lost Missouri. Historically then the belief that whoever wins Missouri --wins the election.

What really troubles me about Obama is that these tactics to silence his critics show the sort of President he would be and he sees nothing WRONG with it.

Didn't he do the same to the Chicago radio station and Kurtz? This isn't a first time.

I think it was Harry Truman of Missouri who said: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

452 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:25:40am

re: #433 LoFlyer

Haar! Good luck Edger, my guess is Mandy will wipe the floor with ye.

Yeah, I mean I'm terrified that she'll find a new ad hominem to use.

453 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:07am

re: #394 Edgar
Who in the hell has been bringing up the Hitler claim? You. You're the one who keeps making this claim. You know there can, in fact, be curtail of liberties, and curtailments of Human Rights WITHOUT referring to Hitler. How about that, eh? (you're using the "Hitler" whine as a strawman argument.)

454 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:13am

re: #406 Edgar

You need some new material...

Up your ass with a piece of glass

455 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:22am

re: #434 smokefire

ANY SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT EQUALS TOTALITARIAN MIND CONTROL.

Mandy how about yelling FIRE in a crowded theater?

Yaaar, Get real! Use common sense!

456 auldtrafford  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:26am

re: #440 Edgar

Ok, but explain to me why calling Obama a "nazi" will help stop this?

It's just possible that 1930's Germany might have benefited from a little bit of foreknowledge about what their new Messiah was really all about.

457 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:27am

re: #364 The Other Les

Actually if you look at the history of Fascism you would find that Marx is a significant influence on their doctrine. Actually the Fascists to some degree attempted to practice an number of thing advocated by Progressives here in the USA.

Yes I know. There is actually an almost remarkable similarity between things going on now and things that happened in Germany during the thirties. Not least of which is the Greek Temple Coronation Speech.

It so happened that on the day we were all trying to figure out just what that Greek Temple was supposed to represent, I got a book I'm using to teach a unit on the Holocaust this year. The end papers of the book were a blow up pic of a big rally held by Hitler at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin in 38 or 39 - that same Brandenburg Gate where The One was adamant he would hold his Berlin rally. And lo and behold, there sat the Greek Temple. It wasn't a mock up of the Capitol Steps or the Lincoln Memorial or the porch of the White House - it is the Brandenburg Gate, where Obama intended to hold his Berlin rally.

458 seekeroftruth  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:33am

Pennsylvania is next in line for the "truth "squad :
Obama launches Pa. Truth Squad

459 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:26:57am

re: #453 J.S.

Who in the hell has been bringing up the Hitler claim? You. You're the one who keeps making this claim. You know there can, in fact, be curtail of liberties, and curtailments of Human Rights WITHOUT referring to Hitler. How about that, eh? (you're using the "Hitler" whine as a strawman argument.)

CTRL-F "nazi" and see how many people used it.

460 jetprop  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:00am

Good to see this story getting out. Hopefully, it will be showing up on FOX, Rush, & Hannity tomorrow.

461 Infidel_One  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:02am

Isn't this the obamatrons campaign song?

And while your there you might as well learn the new National Anthem

Reminds me of my "Blunt" days....sigh

462 DesertSage  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:11am

re: #434 smokefire

ANY SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT EQUALS TOTALITARIAN MIND CONTROL.

Mandy how about yelling FIRE in a crowded theater?

Now that's ridicules! Yelling "fire" in a theater puts people directly in danger.
Misleading statements about a candidate doesn't put people in immediate danger.

463 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:18am

re: #452 Edgar

Yeah, I mean I'm terrified that she'll find a new ad hominem to use.

Arrrr, she's putting it together right now.....

464 yesandno  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:37am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

No Edgar, he doesn't want to be criticized. When a revelation of his actual deeds is claimed to be an attack, we are playing with what the meaning of "is" is.

He is not trying to suppress lies, he is trying to suppress information that can be taken more then one way if analyzed. And he wants the message his way, not the other. He might loose in court, but by the time it goes through the process, the election is over and hundreds who may have spoken out will be intimidated by the one that did and is arrested. And after the election, the results of the case being thrown out won't matter...it has already done what it was intended to do...

Like telling your little brother you will beat him up if he tells your mom you beat him up already.

465 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:38am

re: #439 MandyManners

I'm suddenly reminded that I need to go scoop the cat's litter.

I hear that. Kitty roca reminds me of the Obama campaign. It smells and it's smothered and protected by little bits of media debris.

466 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:42am

re: #409 pat

Obama gave one of the silliest speeches I ever heard yesterday. He was railing on McCain because McCain did not use the phrase "middle class" during the debate. Ok.......?

Ha! Where did he give it? Is there a transcript?

467 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:51am

re: #430 Tigger2005

This is, unfortunately, the argument I think we will hear from many Obama supporters, claiming that the Patriot Act does the same thing. Actually, they've been making that claim since the Patriot Act was passed. Of course, I haven't heard of any moonbats being imtimidated or prosecuted for saying whatever they like about Bush, the military, or the U.S. in general, and of course the Patriot Act contains no such provisions, but they've made up their minds that it does and there's no reasoning with them.

In fact, they will probably rationalize to themselves that this Truth Squad thing is just fine and dandy, since Bush is running an evil police state already and anything goes to defeat it.

And I thought about that as I was typing, but since not one person has stepped forward to show their civil liberties have been infringed upon, I don't think they can make that claim.

This, however, is illegal. What law is being broken in MO or any other state that justifies these 0bama goons? The video claims "ethics" laws. If that's true,then I believe these ethics laws are unconstitutional since they are violating the First Amendment.

468 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:27:53am

I wonder if these Mizzou brownshirts will also target Alex Jones, Noam Chomsky, Ramsey Clark, and similar conspiracy swine who spread lies about the administration and McCain?

I also wonder what chance we have of a fair election with creatures like these charged with enforcing election laws? Is there any chance they WON'T look the other way at ACORN's ballot-stuffing, bogus registration campaigns, and illegal alien voting?

469 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:04am

re: #419 Edgar

For the millionth time, I agree. I wasn't arguing that it should.

Their point, Edgar, it that if that is not your point, then you have made no discernible point. What - "I understand how he might want to violate the constitutional rights of others"? Is that your point?

470 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:12am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

Then what does it equal, if you don't mind me asking?

/my dinger works

471 Scorch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:19am

I have never been one to be afraid of much of anything but I'm telling all of you fellow lizards this guy Obama is making my heart ache with fear. What is wrong with this country that people will believe this guy. It seems we are on the road that 1930's Germany was on and we do not seem to be able to apply the brakes.

472 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:26am

re: #465 FrogMarch

What a great analogy! Up ding for you!

473 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:28am

re: #453 J.S.

Who in the hell has been bringing up the Hitler claim? You. You're the one who keeps making this claim. You know there can, in fact, be curtail of liberties, and curtailments of Human Rights WITHOUT referring to Hitler. How about that, eh? (you're using the "Hitler" whine as a strawman argument.)

Can we use Hugo Chavez?
No?
Robert Mugabe is out, also?

Idiot.

474 Price_of_Peace  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:37am

re: #76 Ruthless

Obama is a Sock Puppet for someone else. He had no qualifications to be President, no respect for our Constitution, etc.

475 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:37am

Free speech for me but none for thee.

Thug.

476 BigJohn  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:42am

re: #445 rightwinger3

GAZE

Continuing GAZE

477 cybermonk  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:28:57am

re: #393 legalpad

You will notice that with all the hateful things said about Sarah Palin, calling her "White Trash" and even worse things, Obama has not said ONE WORD in her defence or told his supporters to ease up.
Of course, they are doing what he wants them to do, so why should he say anything?

478 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:29:06am

re: #460 jetprop

Good to see this story getting out. Hopefully, it will be showing up on FOX, Rush, & Hannity tomorrow.

Sigh. Rush discussed this Friday and mentioned Gateway Pundit by name.

479 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:29:09am

re: #421 smokefire

Chicago thug Politics.

Right out of the Mayor Daley play book.
Daley the father not the son.

Chicago Thug Politics....................hmmm didn't Bill Clinton say that about Barry?

Now ... combine that with Alinsky's teachings. You'll see what's going on. Obama is a candidate of a Chicago machine, all right, but NOT (exactly) the Daley Machine.

480 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:29:28am

re: #419 Edgar

For the millionth time, I agree. I wasn't arguing that it should.

Funny, because it has read (and I've only seen about 100 comments) as if you were advocating some suppression of free speech by the Obama campaign as even a good thing.

481 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:29:41am

re: #470 x-wing

Then what does it equal, if you don't mind me asking?

/my dinger works

It equals partial suppression of free speech.

482 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:29:42am

I don't care if elected officials want to say oh that ad is a lie here is the truth.

What I do care about is when LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONELL, you know, people who can put you in fucking JAIL do it.

483 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:29:59am

re: #398 nyc redneck

did you see the city circuit att., jennifer joyce say, WE don't want people lying abt obama, uh uh. . . the people of missouri don't want people lying.
but of course nothing said abt. the myriad of lies obama and his henchmen constantly spew.
this is beyond sinister.

If people want to lie it is no business of the sheriff or any other elected official. It is a civil matter - either slander or libel. Every elected official in this country - and all federal employees, military members, fire & police - takes a solemn oath to uphold the Constitution & laws of the United States of America. That includes Freedom of Speech.

The elected officials who appear in that tape and those others who have joined Obama's Truth Squad (frightening name!) should be forced to resign immediately for violation of their oath of office and abuse of position. And then they should be prosecuted for interfering in an election and intimidation.

484 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:30:12am

re: #452 Edgar

Instead of jumping on my ad. homs., why not answer others' posts?

485 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:30:22am

re: #446 FrogMarch
Yeah, but it is SCARY. It does attack the very fundamental basis of a free society: freedom of speech.

486 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:30:51am

re: #460 jetprop

Good to see this story getting out. Hopefully, it will be showing up on FOX, Rush, & Hannity tomorrow.

Sure hope it does since I faxed my letter and Gov. Blunts statement to the US Attorney in Missouri...you know....

RUSH LIMBAUGH SR.!
Yes he is Rush Limbaughs cousin!

487 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:06am

re: #484 MandyManners

Instead of jumping on my ad. homs., why not answer others' posts?

I have in many cases. I'm not answering ridiculous questions like "So, you agree that we should jail anyone for speaking their mind, right?"

488 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:23am

re: #440 Edgar

Simply calling Obama a Nazi won't help stop this, but letting people know that tactic used by Obama's people is, at least, totalitarianism in the making will.

489 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:23am

re: #479 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OK, but the blood line is there. The tactics, only they have been upgraded

490 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:25am

re: #477 cybermonk

You will notice that with all the hateful things said about Sarah Palin, calling her "White Trash" and even worse things, Obama has not said ONE WORD in her defence or told his supporters to ease up.
Of course, they are doing what he wants them to do, so why should he say anything?

The Jawa Report PROVED that many of those grotesque smears against Palin were initiated by the Obama campaign -- secretly.

It's perfectly OK for Obama to lie, but not OK for anyone to point out his lies.

491 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:32am

Edgar, you have posted nearly all of your 66 posts here. You are just a troll. And an Obama troll, at that.

Bye.

492 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:52am

re: #459 Edgar

CTRL-F "nazi" and see how many people used it.

Edger, Hitler was a socialist. Actually I think comparing Obama to Stalin is more appropriate, they both hide their true aims, and hate free and open debate.

493 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:54am

We are in serious trouble. As a teacher, I know that students are being taught American history, civics, the basis of our government etc. mainly by very liberal teachers who focus on putting down our country. World history is taught the same way. How can we expect people who have been 'educated' in the public schools to even understand these issues and the threat that O is making? When these youth take over, we are doomed. If not before.

494 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:31:55am

re: #488 mitthrawnurdo

Simply calling Obama a Nazi won't help stop this, but letting people know that tactic used by Obama's people is, at least, totalitarianism in the making will.

Ok, fair enough.

495 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #414 MandyManners

My head is spinning so wildly that I'm sick to my tummy.


re: #416 rightwinger3

Damn.

ROTFLMAO............... Marxist doctrine dictates that since the masses are ignorant of and resistive to that which is genuinely in their own best interests that any and every means of coercion and or deceit be employed to subjugate the masses to Marxist ideology for the good of the masses.

496 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:23am

re: #307 phoenixgirl

i am pretty sure, obama is planning on throwing all of us under the bus.
his closing remarks at the debate were chilling.

OBAMA: Well, let me just make a closing point. You know, my father came from Kenya. That's where I get my name.

And in the '60s, he wrote letter after letter to come to college here in the United States because the notion was that there was no other country on Earth where you could make it if you tried. The ideals and the values of the United States inspired the entire world.

I don't think any of us can say that our standing in the world now, the way children around the world look at the United States, is the same.

And part of what we need to do, what the next president has to do -- and this is part of our judgment, this is part of how we're going to keep America safe -- is to -- to send a message to the world that we are going to invest in issues like education, we are going to invest in issues that -- that relate to how ordinary people are able to live out their dreams.

And that is something that I'm going to be committed to as president of the United States.

this is very frightening in it's bumbling incoherence.
obama's main concern is what the rest of the world thinks of america.
and since he is a self proclaimed citizen of the world, it is apparent he does NOT put our country first.
we are in for some rough times if this 'traitor' is elected.

497 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:29am

re: #471 Scorch

I have never been one to be afraid of much of anything but I'm telling all of you fellow lizards this guy Obama is making my heart ache with fear. What is wrong with this country that people will believe this guy. It seems we are on the road that 1930's Germany was on and we do not seem to be able to apply the brakes.

It's a perfect storm, to be sure, but I think in the end most Americans will pull the lever for McCain/Palin.

I do wish Sarah would start being Sarah again!

498 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:30am

re: #453 J.S.

Who in the hell has been bringing up the Hitler claim? You. You're the one who keeps making this claim. You know there can, in fact, be curtail of liberties, and curtailments of Human Rights WITHOUT referring to Hitler. How about that, eh? (you're using the "Hitler" whine as a strawman argument.)

Oh sure. Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, the Khmer Rough, Che, Mao, Uncle HO. Plenty easy to avoid Hitler.

499 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:43am

re: #462 DesertSage

if they vote for him it does. Believe the lie, and you must live with the consequences.

500 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:46am

re: #446 FrogMarch

I notice also that these "law enforcement officials" used the opportunity to turn the whole thing is into a political ad for Obama.

"Obama is not a Muslim and he isn't going to give anyone making under $______ (this much) a tax cut."

If it weren't so scary - it's almost comical.

----------
Freudian slip. "isn't" should be "is".

no matter - we all know Democrats live and breathe to tax everyone to death. Despite what they promise in the campaign.

501 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:32:54am

re: #491 6pat6

Edgar, you have posted nearly all of your 66 posts here. You are just a troll. And an Obama troll, at that.

Bye.

I don't usually comment here for this very reason. People get overexcited way too quickly.

502 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:00am

re: #476 BigJohn

Continuing GAZE

What's amazing is that there is actually people (one here at least!) that believe the bullshit they are spouting.

503 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:06am

re: #486 Typicalwhitey

Hon- Rush discussed this Friday. I heard it. He reads LGF and other blogs. In fact, I think someone Friday put the Gateway Pundit story in the spinoffs- I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Rush found it. Hopefully, he and his cousin have discussed this.

504 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:07am

re: #456 auldtrafford

It's just possible that 1930's Germany might have benefited from a little bit of foreknowledge about what their new Messiah was really all about.

They should have believe what he wrote in his book.

505 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #488 mitthrawnurdo

Ugh, it should read:

"Simply calling Obama a Nazi won't help stop this, but letting people know that this tactic used by Obama's people is, at least, totalitarianism in the making will."

/Articles were never my good point.

506 JustAGal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:16am

Not that it'll do any good or be read for that matter, but there has to be some tiny part left of Joe Scarborough that can understand this - he's turned so leftist, but maybe if enough of us sent emails to him in a professional way, he'd actually see his distant past and step up to the plate on this issue. ***sigh*** It's probably a waste of time and he makes the big bucks now for the MSM, but I'm going to try anyhow.

Anyone know how to email him or do I just have to use email for his tv 'snow' which I KNOW will never get to him.

507 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:18am

Somebody mention Adolf?

Replace a few words and this sounds like the Obama Truth Squad:

“When certain individuals who were blind to the actual state of affairs thought that they could refuse to submit to the practical application of the principles of the movement which had been entrusted with the government of the Reich, then, but not until then, the party used an iron hand to make these illegal disturbers of the peace bend their stubborn necks before the laws of the new National Socialist Reich and Government.”
A. Hitler; January 1, 1937

508 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:19am


Don't forget this little diddy too.

509 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:20am

re: #471 Scorch

It seems we are on the road that 1930's Germany was on and we do not seem to be able to apply the brakes.

Keep pointing it out.

FYI, see my re: #103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

510 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:21am

re: #369 Edgar

Mandy, are you not mature enough to debate an issue without cursing?

Read it again.

Who the hell do you think you are? Mandy can fucking curse if she fucking wants to fucking curse.

511 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:22am

re: #385 Gorgon Zola

The question is, would the military carry out such orders of a "President Obama"?(God, that thought makes me want to retch!)

I have not yet met a member of the military, retired or active duty who is supporting "The One".

I think if he tried such a thing it would lead to a combined armed patriot/military uprising against him.

512 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:25am

The First Amendment, and the rest of the constitution matter little to people who believe that the ends justify the means. For the Obamatons and their fellow travelers on the left, Winning is worth trashing everything. They have threatened us with unrest and riots, and now they threaten us with Lawyers and Prosecutors.

There is no bound they would not break.

For them, the ends justify the means.

513 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:26am

re: #486 Typicalwhitey

OH! And keep up the great work!

514 auldtrafford  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:27am

re: #492 LoFlyer

Edger, Hitler was a socialist. Actually I think comparing Obama to Stalin is more appropriate, they both hide their true aims, and hate free and open debate.

Actually, Hitler's "socialism" had nothing to do with economics - he hated communism, and Stalin in particular. For Hitler, "socialism" was simply a description for his "social purity" program.

515 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #459 Edgar

No, control-f "Hitler." No one has (to my understanding) claimed that "Obama is Hitler." What some posters have done (which is, imo, perfectly reasonable) is recall what previous fascists (little wanna be dictators) have done in the past...that's to gain control/power...usurp laws, for example. take away Free Speech, silence critics, and so on. Obama falls into that category of a wanna-be supressor of fundamental Liberties and Freedoms.

516 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:44am

re: #481 Edgar

It equals partial suppression of free speech.

And that's ok to you? And what's this 'partial' thing? How much is a 'partial' to you? 5%, 10%, 20%? More?

517 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:55am

re: #507 shiplord kirel

Somebody mention Adolf?

Replace a few words and this sounds like the Obama Truth Squad:

“When certain individuals who were blind to the actual state of affairs thought that they could refuse to submit to the practical application of the principles of the movement which had been entrusted with the government of the Reich, then, but not until then, the party used an iron hand to make these illegal disturbers of the peace bend their stubborn necks before the laws of the new National Socialist Reich and Government.”
A. Hitler; January 1, 1937

You'd have to replace nearly every word. Come on.

518 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:33:56am

re: #490 zombie

The Jawa Report PROVED that many of those grotesque smears against Palin were initiated by the Obama campaign -- secretly.

It's perfectly OK for Obama to lie, but not OK for anyone to point out his lies.

Not to mention the astroturfing issue

519 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:34:06am

re: #516 rightymouse

And that's ok to you? And what's this 'partial' thing? How much is a 'partial' to you? 5%, 10%, 20%? More?

No.

520 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:34:09am

re: #85 loppyd

And a SHERIFF.

A sheriff that was himself a State Senator, getting elected in 1976 and re-elected in 1980. He is of course, a Democrat.

521 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:34:44am

re: #418 cybermonk

what part of police intimidation for those "lying about Obama" did you not understand? Since when is a Sherrif responsible for enforcing what you say about a politician? Maybe in Joe Stalin's world, not this one.

?

522 JSK1121  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:35:00am

I've said this before and I'll say it again; there will be nowhere for us to move if this goon is elected.

523 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:35:03am

re: #515 J.S.

No, control-f "Hitler." No one has (to my understanding) claimed that "Obama is Hitler." What some posters have done (which is, imo, perfectly reasonable) is recall what previous fascists (little wanna be dictators) have done in the past...that's to gain control/power...usurp laws, for example. take away Free Speech, silence critics, and so on. Obama falls into that category of a wanna-be supressor of fundamental Liberties and Freedoms.

People are comparing Obama's policies with those of the Nazis.

524 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:35:06am

re: #503 Sharmuta

Hon- Rush discussed this Friday. I heard it. He reads LGF and other blogs. In fact, I think someone Friday put the Gateway Pundit story in the spinoffs- I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Rush found it. Hopefully, he and his cousin have discussed this.


Oh good....but I am just making SURE he knows......; )

Nothing in this election cycle has infuriated me more than this.
This is happening where I LIVE.

525 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:35:13am

re: #506 JustAGal

Not that it'll do any good or be read for that matter, but there has to be some tiny part left of Joe Scarborough that can understand this - he's turned so leftist, but maybe if enough of us sent emails to him in a professional way, he'd actually see his distant past and step up to the plate on this issue. ***sigh*** It's probably a waste of time and he makes the big bucks now for the MSM, but I'm going to try anyhow.

Anyone know how to email him or do I just have to use email for his tv 'snow' which I KNOW will never get to him.

He's at MSNBC?

526 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:35:16am

re: #501 Edgar

I don't usually comment here for this very reason. People get overexcited way too quickly.

They like troll.....feeding frenzy and all that.

527 Ruthless  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:03am

re: #471 Scorch

I have never been one to be afraid of much of anything but I'm telling all of you fellow lizards this guy Obama is making my heart ache with fear. What is wrong with this country that people will believe this guy. It seems we are on the road that 1930's Germany was on and we do not seem to be able to apply the brakes.

There is truly reason to be fearful. On Friday I stocked up on fresh ammo and bought a sweet little .38 to keep in my car. Just now I went online and joined the National Rifle Association. These are dangerous times. -- Ruthless

528 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:12am

re: #490 zombie

The Jawa Report PROVED that many of those grotesque smears against Palin were initiated by the Obama campaign -- secretly.

It's perfectly OK for Obama to lie, but not OK for anyone to point out his lies.

Check.

529 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:13am

re: #501 Edgar

I don't usually comment here for this very reason. People get overexcited way too quickly.

How can you "usually comment" here with only (now) 70+ posts? It's pretty easy to get excited over ridiculous posts such as yours.

You haven't really responded to "how much" free speech suppression is OK, BTW.

530 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:14am

re: #526 BignJames

They like troll.....feeding frenzy and all that.

And how, pray tell, am I "trolling" by saying Obama shouldn't be compared to Nazis?

531 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:26am

A Congressman, that was in jail got reelected. So what is the big deal.

Oh, BTW he was a Democrat too.

Anybody know the name.

hint..............he was from Mass.

532 LGoPs  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:28am

re: #404 SpartanWoman

His motivation is to win by any means necessary and make new rules that will only apply to the opposition

This is the hallmark of liberals everywhere - 'the rules are whatever the frick we decide them to be'. Meaning there are no rules unless it benefits them. Only works because the media is in the bag for them and the media sets the tone for what does and does not get discussed.......

533 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:40am

re: #529 6pat6

How can you "usually comment" here with only (now) 70+ posts? It's pretty easy to get excited over ridiculous posts such as yours.

You haven't really responded to "how much" free speech suppression is OK, BTW.

Jesus, for the last time: I don't think ANY suppression is Ok.

534 jetprop  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:47am

re: #486 Typicalwhitey

Sure hope it does since I faxed my letter and Gov. Blunts statement to the US Attorney in Missouri...you know....

RUSH LIMBAUGH SR.!
Yes he is Rush Limbaughs cousin!

Heh..Good job.

535 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:36:51am

re: #357 Edgar

Sure.

536 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:37:04am

fucking liar!
Snip:

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said Sunday his Republican rival deserves no credit for helping to forge a tentative agreement on the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street.

Instead, Obama said he deserves credit for making sure the proposal includes safeguards for taxpayers

537 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #519 Edgar

No.

"No" to what? That you don't agree with ANY suppression of the 1st Amendment? If so, then please explain your definition of 'partial'.

538 SCDave  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:37:09am

Just saw on Fox that the "O-man" may not go back to DC for the vote on the bail-out, he'll go if they need his vote.

hmmm.... less than 25% of the country supporting this bail-out.

I have a strange feeling, in the next few weeks we'll be hearing...
I didn't vote for the bail-out that you didn't support but my opponent did

539 guy_philly  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:37:24am

Thank goodness I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2008 Primary (against GWB). If not, the media might have convinced me I was a racist if I didn't vote for Obama.

The truth is, I just don't like Socialism!

540 right_on_target  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #350 Gorgon Zola

Mark Levin a few weeks back interviewed one of nobamas fellow law school students who quoted the One as saying, " I don't believe people should own guns",,,I also recall hussein saying more recently, ",,we're not going to mess with your guns, okay?",,,I DON"T BELIEVE HIM!,,(must google martial law now,,can the prez have weapons confiscated in a state of martial law?)

___________________________
Right after Katrina hit, the police in the Democrat run city of New Orleans were confiscating weapons from people who were defending against looters. They actually barged INTO their homes to take the guns forceably. Big uproar about it.
Now, if Obama gets in, will we see the same?

541 Knitwit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:37:40am

re: #328 smokefire
Thank you kindly!

542 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:06am

re: #530 Edgar

Having free speech means defending your position, not just saying people "shouldn't" say what they say.

543 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:11am

re: #471 Scorch

We're not on the same road.

Calm. Deep, cleansing breaths.

Now pull up your socks and get on with things.

544 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:15am

re: #541 Knitwit

damn that was a long time ago too.

545 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:25am

re: #409 pat

Obama gave one of the silliest speeches I ever heard yesterday. He was railing on McCain because McCain did not use the phrase "middle class" during the debate. Ok.......?

One of the things that I like best about John McCain is that he makes a concerted effort to not refer to us by class. To McCain we are all fellow American.

Cindy McCain has been quite heated in her presentation of the fact that her parents did not have money, they sold everything they owned to raise $10.000 to open their business.

And I can tell you right now that John McCain was not the child of some ultra-rich folks. His dad was in the Navy and was his granddad. Back in those days the Navy did not pay much - even if you were an officer. Possibly his father or grandfather married some money, but they weren't making a bucket full while they served our country.

546 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:28am

re: #523 Edgar

yeah, it's called Free Speech...

547 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:30am

re: #533 Edgar

You blaspheme yet have the temerity to get onto me for cussing?

548 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:38:54am

OK, now that, after MANY posts, you have finally said that NO suppression of free speech is OK, what the fuck is your point, other than that? You seem to come out in favor of B-HOs tactics, so what is the deal?

549 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:01am

re: #489 smokefire

OK, but the blood line is there. The tactics, only they have been upgraded

Yes, he has worked with (and, perhaps, been part of) the old Daley Machine, but his heart and mind and strings are somewhere else. The Daley Machine has to know this, and ignores it for their own purposes.

(The Daley Machine probably doesn't much care about ideology.)

550 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:02am

re: #530 Edgar

And how, pray tell, am I "trolling" by saying Obama shouldn't be compared to Nazis?


Didn't you say something about "partial suppresion of free speech" up thread?

551 ornery elephant  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:09am

From The Washington Times:

"When the heavy hand of the state is imposed on the press, all of us lose," Barack Obama told a group of Kenyan journalists during an August 2006 trip to Africa. "The media does not have a formal role in the government, but it serves a critical function in providing information to the public so that they can hold the government accountable," he said.

Link.....

552 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:12am

re: #511 Colonel Panik
As I recall:

The question is, would the military carry out such orders of a "President Obama"?(God, that thought makes me want to retch!)

I have not yet met a member of the military, retired or active duty who is supporting "The One".

I think if he tried such a thing it would lead to a combined armed patriot/military uprising against him.

the Oath that every member of the United States Armed Forces swears to, states, in relevant part, that "we will defend the Constituion of the United States of America from all enemies, domestic and foreign."
No where does that Oath state that we will follow the orders of the President if those orders are or appear to us to be, unlawful.
I still stand by that oath I took over 30 years ago.

553 Diamond Bullet  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:25am

re: #471 Scorch

I have never been one to be afraid of much of anything but I'm telling all of you fellow lizards this guy Obama is making my heart ache with fear. What is wrong with this country that people will believe this guy. It seems we are on the road that 1930's Germany was on and we do not seem to be able to apply the brakes.

I feel the same way. At first, I was just asking colleagues what I should do to financially survive if this guy gets elected and institutes Carter II: The Quickening, with 15% unemployment and 20% inflation. But now I actually think monetary issues will just be a sideshow to his trampling of civil liberties in the name of promoting "fairness" and stopping "intolerance". When merely questioning our Glorious Leader is cause for a police investigation it's time to start taking this idiot seriously.

554 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:29am

re: #323 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're welcome. My parents had a copy. I read it in junior high school. It was a formative experience for a young boy.

The memoirs of former communists are immensely fascinating - especially if they describe that particular period in Germany. I am still trying to understand how normal people allowed this to happen.
An ongoing learning process - with applications for the present day, as we all can see ...

555 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:35am

re: #547 MandyManners

You blaspheme yet have the temerity to get onto me for cussing?

Blasphemy? What is this, the 18th century?

556 JustAGal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:42am

re: #525 Sharmuta

Morning Joe with the other snotty socialists

557 Gorgon Zola[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:42am
558 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:46am

re: #434 smokefire

ANY SUPPRESSION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT EQUALS TOTALITARIAN MIND CONTROL.

Mandy how about yelling FIRE in a crowded theater?

Provided there is actually a Fire in the theater it is perfectly legal, if their is no fire then it is an act known as incitement to riot.

559 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:48am

re: #493 avspatti

We are in serious trouble. As a teacher, I know that students are being taught American history, civics, the basis of our government etc. mainly by very liberal teachers who focus on putting down our country. World history is taught the same way. How can we expect people who have been 'educated' in the public schools to even understand these issues and the threat that O is making? When these youth take over, we are doomed. If not before.

Well, there is the possibility that, like the kids who went to grade school and high school during the 50's, they will come to see liberals as "The Establishment" and become "anti-Establishment" by embracing real American values. And, while they might "mellow" as did the youth of the 60's, and become part of "the Establishment" in order to get by, many will continue to work in a stealthy fashion, slowly winning back the schools, the media, and the country.

The victory goes to those who never, ever give up.

560 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:48am

re: #497 Tigger2005

It's a perfect storm, to be sure, but I think in the end most Americans will pull the lever for McCain/Palin.

I do wish Sarah would start being Sarah again!

Maybe we all need to write to her and John and tell them so.

561 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:39:56am

You came out earlier that "some suppression of free speech" is OK. What exactly is your position?

562 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:05am

re: #481 Edgar

It equals partial suppression of free speech.


And that leads to what? This quote comes to mind everytime a Lib. passes a law limiting our freedom. i.e. guns, speech.

It's a good first step

So please knock off your stupidity and open your eyes.

/I may have to GAZE for awhile.

563 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:07am

re: #550 BignJames

Didn't you say something about "partial suppresion of free speech" up thread?

Dude's a liar. GAZE.

564 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #481 Edgar

It equals partial suppression of free speech.

In a political context (which is the only one that counts), that is completely unacceptable.

565 Onslow  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:16am

I'd be pissed if I were street cop working for Jefferson County Sheriff Boyer, because his thuggish threat undermines support for law enforcement among citizens who are generally not ill-disposed towards cops.

566 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:19am

re: #517 Edgar

You'd have to replace nearly every word. Come on.

We have your word for that, it must be true.
(Why do lefties persist in denying their own authoritarianism, when they make it obvious literally with their every utterance?)

“When certain individuals Republicans who were blind to the actual state of affairs thought that they could refuse to submit to the practical application of the principles of the movement which had been entrusted with the government of the Reich United States, then, but not until then, the party hacks used an iron hand intimidation and harrassment to make these illegal disturbers of the peace bend their stubborn necks before the laws of the new National Progressive Socialist ReichSociety and Government.”

567 guy_philly  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:27am

re: #539 guy_philly

re: #539 guy_philly

Thank goodness I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 Primary (against GWB). If not, the media might have convinced me I was a racist if I didn't vote for Obama.

The truth is, I just don't like Socialism!

I fixed the year on that

568 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:29am

re: #550 BignJames

Didn't you say something about "partial suppresion of free speech" up thread?

Yes, and I am against it. I argued that what Obama was doing was trying to curtail free speech but only partially. Not completely like a totalitarian dictator would.

569 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:31am

re: #493 avspatti

I'm teaching US History this year -- wish me luck!

570 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:31am

Yaaar, Scorch looked at your avatar, were you in an A-6 squadron? PS it looks good, mate!

571 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:42am
572 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:45am

re: #555 Edgar

Blasphemy? What is this, the 18th century?

Since when did it become okay to take the Lord's name in vain?

573 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:40:58am

re: #561 6pat6

You came out earlier that "some suppression of free speech" is OK. What exactly is your position?

Where is my quote then?

574 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:41:07am

re: #490 zombie

The Jawa Report PROVED that many of those grotesque smears against Palin were initiated by the Obama campaign -- secretly.

It's perfectly OK for Obama to lie, but not OK for anyone to point out his lies.

Which says that Missouri is a preemptive attack.

575 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:41:10am
576 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:41:16am

re: #538 SCDave

Just saw on Fox that the "O-man" may not go back to DC for the vote on the bail-out, he'll go if they need his vote.

hmmm.... less than 25% of the country supporting this bail-out.

I have a strange feeling, in the next few weeks we'll be hearing...
I didn't vote for the bail-out that you didn't support but my opponent did

He just does not want anyone to be able to say he voted either for or against it. Yet one more time he refuses to take responsibility!

577 tangerinesong  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:41:22am

re: #314 Knitwit

Knit,

What people think of us is none of our damn business. If we're not the main subject at lunch then we're no damn good. The American people see through this crap like a sandwich baggy. Newsweek? C'mon.

Look at the reality. MSM collectively needs a bail. We know it, they know it and not until they hit that wall Mach 5 with their hair on fire, the last thing through their collective minds will be their ass. My guess is within the next four quarters.

Swing a dirty diaper and you can't help but hit 99.9% of the left wing MSM Obama cheerleaders. You won’t find one, just one who is not gasping for revenue air and the shareholders who have attached these media companies to their portfolio are sinking like an anvil. Can we say G.E.? Immelt has one more quarter generating a salary. I do know G.E shareholders are up in arms literally because I'm one of them.

We'll see Immelt as a footnote on what not to do as an executive. Look out for another book by Welsh on how to effectively pick a successor.

"Choose your successor and then pick the other guy.

Welsh, what the hell did you create here? You left and allowed "Tiny Tim" to takeover for ya? This makes you look bad even in retirement.

TS

PS: MSM, care to refute? I know, I know, that’s a debate you would go to anytime, anywhere. Chumps...

578 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:41:31am

re: #523 Edgar

People are comparing Obama's policies with those of the Nazis.


.................................................. ..
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. ~George Santayana.
.................................................. ...

579 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:42:00am

re: #558 doriangrey

Provided there is actually a Fire in the theater it is perfectly legal, if their is no fire then it is an act known as incitement to riot.

You mean like the "Obama or Else" shirts in NYC and Philly

580 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:42:06am

re: #572 MandyManners

Since when did it become okay to take the Lord's name in vain?

I'm not religious and don't see it as being offensive, like "go piss up the rope."

Or whatever obscenity you used the last time.

581 cybermonk  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:42:23am

re: #521 doriangrey

you disgree, what part of this statement, do you not understand?

582 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:42:35am

re: #540 right_on_target

___________________________
Right after Katrina hit, the police in the Democrat run city of New Orleans were confiscating weapons from people who were defending against looters. They actually barged INTO their homes to take the guns forceably. Big uproar about it.
Now, if Obama gets in, will we see the same?

The NRA sued and won, the guns were to be returned to the owners, but NO and Nagin were dragging their feet on it the last I heard.

583 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:42:39am

re: #557 Gorgon Zola
Please see my #552.

584 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:42:50am

re: #556 JustAGal

He has an email here:

[Link: www.joescarborough.com...]

I'm sure you can find an email at his pMSNBC page too. I would also try his name with a "." between first and last name with @nbc.com as well as @ge.com.

585 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:43:09am

re: #573 Edgar

You don't even remember posting that! Jeez, you would make a superb politician! "I said that before I didn't say that" Wow. How Kerry-esque!

586 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:43:25am

re: #573 Edgar

Where is my quote then?

Right here:

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

587 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:43:39am

re: #568 Edgar

Yes, and I am against it. I argued that what Obama was doing was trying to curtail free speech but only partially. Not completely like a totalitarian dictator would.


That distinction is lost on me.

588 kulhwch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:43:39am

So where would be if Bush had passed something similar along to law enforcement?

Oh yeah, we'd be free of the lefttards.  But I digress ...

Glad to know is NObama, not Obama.  And glad that this came out before he had real power.  But WTF is wrong with Missouri?  Can ANY presidential candidate get preferential treatment like this?  Someone needs to tell Ron Paul so he can unmothball the attack blimp ...

}:)     [California Obama Uber Alles might make the national anthem after all ... ]

589 LGoPs  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:43:44am

re: #552 realwest

As I recall:


the Oath that every member of the United States Armed Forces swears to, states, in relevant part, that "we will defend the Constituion of the United States of America from all enemies, domestic and foreign."
No where does that Oath state that we will follow the orders of the President if those orders are or appear to us to be, unlawful.
I still stand by that oath I took over 30 years ago.

Ditto - took the same oath myself years ago and I stand by it - especially the part about domestic enemies

590 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:44:20am

re: #585 6pat6

You don't even remember posting that! Jeez, you would make a superb politician! "I said that before I didn't say that" Wow. How Kerry-esque!

Since you are apparently too lazy to do it, here goes:

"some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control."

Where do I say I agree with any suppression of free speech?

591 Onslow  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:44:41am

re: #577 tangerinesong

Immelt can't leave fast enough.

592 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:44:48am

re: #493 avspatti

We are in serious trouble. As a teacher, I know that students are being taught American history, civics, the basis of our government etc. mainly by very liberal teachers who focus on putting down our country. World history is taught the same way. How can we expect people who have been 'educated' in the public schools to even understand these issues and the threat that O is making? When these youth take over, we are doomed. If not before.

I agree -- there was a survey conducted recently -- it asked school children which was better -- the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights or the U.S. Constitution? -- far too many students were stating that the UN was "superior" (ironically, of course, the UN Declaration excludes many rights which the U.S. Constitution guarantees.)

593 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:44:56am

re: #587 BignJames

That distinction is lost on me.

That's because it's a false distinction. Totalitarians don't start with complete repression of free speech. They chip away at it.

594 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:01am

re: #517 Edgar

You'd have to replace nearly every word. Come on.

“When certain individuals who were blind to the actual state of affairs thought that they could refuse to submit to the practical application of the principles of the movement which had been entrusted with the government of the Reich, then, but not until then, the party used an iron hand to make these illegal disturbers of the peace bend their stubborn necks before the laws of the new National Socialist Reich and Government.
A. Hitler; January 1, 1937

Just a few nouns.

595 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #586 Typicalwhitey

See post #590.

596 auldtrafford  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:05am

re: #587 BignJames

That distinction is lost on me.

His point is that Obama is not a tyrannical dictator - just a two-bit suppressor. Everyone else's point is that today's two-bit thug is tomorrow's tyrannical dictator.

597 JustAGal  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:08am

re: #584 Sharmuta

Thank you kindly

598 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:16am

Hitler: Used the law enforcement apparatus to suppress expression that his own minions deemed harmful.
Obama: Trying to use the law enforcement apparatus to suppress expression that his own minions deem harmful.

Yeah, no comparison there.

I declare Godwin's Law to be null and void.

599 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:21am

re: #580 Edgar

I'm not religious and don't see it as being offensive, like "go piss up the rope."

Or whatever obscenity you used the last time.

Others see it as offensive. I do more so than a big, hearty, FUCK YOU.

Now, GAZE.

600 opnion  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:22am

re: #523 Edgar

People are comparing Obama's policies with those of the Nazis.


Michelle said, & I am going to quote as best that I can remember, "Barack ain't gonna let you be, the way you been.
That is a very scary concept. If I am not violating laws, why does the government have a right to modify my behavior?

601 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:31am

re: #501 Edgar

I don't usually comment here for this very reason. People get overexcited way too quickly.

Not about you, today.

You've managed to convince me that you're enamoured of a level of moral relativity that is positively dangerous.

602 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:38am

re: #391 shiplord kirel

Don't waste your breathe.

This one is not in your league, let alone zip code.

The moment you decided to wake up this morning, he was already a decade behind you.

603 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:45:47am
re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.


re: #585 6pat6

You don't even remember posting that! Jeez, you would make a superb politician! "I said that before I didn't say that" Wow. How Kerry-esque!

Clear enough now?

604 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:46:05am
605 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:46:10am

re: #597 JustAGal

Thank you kindly

I would hit them all.

And you're welcome. Comes from having once been inside the beast that is GE.

606 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:46:12am

re: #466 Dianna

Saw it on Fox. Ohio maybe? The Fox reporter, the Cameron guy, seemed to think it worth showing. It was truly infantile.

607 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:46:28am

re: #599 MandyManners

Others see it as offensive. I do more so than a big, hearty, FUCK YOU.

Now, GAZE.

Returning GAZE.

608 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:46:48am

re: #590 Edgar

Since you are apparently too lazy to do it, here goes:

"some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control."

Where do I say I agree with any suppression of free speech?

You implied, by that statement, that a little bit of suppression should not be heartily condemned - that it is no biggie.

You may not have meant to do so. I encourage you to make that clearer.

609 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:46:53am

re: #458 seekeroftruth

Pennsylvania is next in line for the "truth "squad :
Obama launches Pa. Truth Squad

TWO states now. Notice all the Penn. notables who are backing this. Are we seeing a pattern here? One was bad enough, but now we see that O's plan will cover more and more states if this isn't stopped. How can he be stopped? Surely, there are some Americans left who aren't going to fall for this, this . . . words fail me.

610 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:06am

re: #536 Typicalwhitey
"Lie big, lie often; eventually it will be assumed to be the truth." The Democrats casting of McCain's visit was predictable. Harry Reid essentially challenged him to come. When he did, then Reid says he's "interfering". McCain's visit trumped Obama, so of course they have to try to minimize it with the frequent big lies.

611 alien_mind  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:09am

re: #409 pat

Obama gave one of the silliest speeches I ever heard yesterday. He was railing on McCain because McCain did not use the phrase "middle class" during the debate. Ok.......?


to dem's, a politician that doesn't use class warfare rhetoric just does not compute, since its one of their central tenants. they think they only have to point this out and people will say "OH MY GOD! no mention of middle class?". when in reality most people think "So what?"

612 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:21am

re: #608 Catttt

You implied, by that statement, that a little bit of suppression should not be heartily condemned - that it is no biggie.

You misunderstood then. I did not mean that.

613 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:38am

We are living in Orwellian times.
The Democrat party is exclusively behind the failure of Fannie and Freddie.
Yet the media are painting the democrats as heroes.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]


This is actual historical footage.

614 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:49am

Let us not forget that McCain Feingold does much the same thing.

615 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:47:58am

re: #554 yma o hyd

The memoirs of former communists are immensely fascinating - especially if they describe that particular period in Germany. I am still trying to understand how normal people allowed this to happen.
An ongoing learning process - with applications for the present day, as we all can see ...

At the risk of overloading you ... *grin* ... William Manchester, The Arms of Krupp. A history of the Krupp Family, 1587-1968. It's OT to what you mentioned, but Manchester does describe what happened, from a different perspective.

His annecdote about whistling the Horst Wessel song in a taxicab (during the time he was researching the book) is classic.

616 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:48:02am

re: #572 MandyManners

Since when did it become okay to take the Lord's name in vain?

Yaar, Mandy,when a piece of network equipment goes down at 5 PM, and 400 users are down, it is perfectly acceptable and expected that I will use the lord's name in vane, and profusely!

617 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:48:09am
618 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:48:27am

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual - more than a little scary, but still grand.
I however, have to go eat some lunch now, take my meds and my medicinally induced nap.
Nonetheless, I mean what I said in my #347; if you e-mail me I WILL return your e-mail today or tomorrow at the latest. Just please include your LGF nicname.
Thanks.
And now I'm outta here! I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

619 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:48:30am

re: #533 Edgar

Jesus, for the last time: I don't think ANY suppression is Ok.

Funny, that's not how your comments have read.

620 cybermonk  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:48:31am

re: #540 right_on_target

IIRC Bush made a Presidential decree (I can't remember exactly what you call it) that prevents that from happening again. However, if you remember, Obama said he will go over all the presidential derees and get rid of the ones he doesn't think "are good for the country.

621 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:00am

And exactly how do these toads know the truth about Obama? It seems to change daily. For example, missile defense.

622 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:04am

re: #619 Dianna

Funny, that's not how your comments have read.

I don't get your point. Am I supposed to stress in every single comment that I support free speech?

623 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:19am
624 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:30am

re: #609 avspatti

Just thinking that you can call a group of people a "Truth Squad" without some hackles getting raised is a huge giveaway that someone has a tin ear for political resonance.

625 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:31am

Edgar, Edgar, Edgar ---
...and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

Might as well have said it in a quote, huh? Oh, and I'm not lazy, Jack, I was going back to where YOU said the above...clear enough for ya?

626 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:33am

re: #557 Gorgon Zola
Please see my #552.

realwest,, can of worms regarding "lawful order",,I am going to do some more googlin about Wilson's actions confiscating weapons etc,. and his legal basis,,

627 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:49:49am

It comes to this Edgar- I'll call 0bama a damned nazi if I want to.

BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND TO SPEAK IT.

628 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:50:10am

re: #627 Sharmuta

It comes to this Edgar- I'll call 0bama a damned nazi if I want to.

BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND TO SPEAK IT.

And I have the right to criticize you for it.

629 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:50:23am
630 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:50:27am

Oh, Edgar, some of our fellow posters made the same distinction. Maybe you should learn to make your points clearer in the future, no?

631 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:50:52am

OT - Urgent Prayers please. A neighbor just stopped to tell us that he had hit one of our "adopted" cats - little Boots - who has been rushed up the road to the vet.

632 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:51:17am

re: #628 Edgar

And I have the right to criticize you for it.

Yes you do.

But 0bama say I don't have that right without threat of law enforcement knocking on my door. Yet this doesn't smack of fascist, nazi tactics to you. You are hopeless.

633 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:51:20am
634 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:51:25am

You have the right to remain silent. If you give up this right, take it like a LIZARD!

635 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:51:44am

re: #617 buzzsawmonkey

Enough of this cut and paste shit

636 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:51:57am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey
Gee, buzz, either you're still REALLY UPSET about your candidate not getting the nomination or you musta found employment with the Obama campaign.
I was genuinely shocked at your posts.

637 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:05am

re: #577 tangerinesong

You won’t find one, just one who is not gasping for revenue air and the shareholders who have attached these media companies to their portfolio are sinking like an anvil. Can we say G.E.? Immelt has one more quarter generating a salary. I do know G.E shareholders are up in arms literally because I'm one of them.

Welch, at his best, was great, but he also had good luck to be there when the economy was good. Maybe Immelt isn't Welch, and hey, maybe Welch wasn't even Welch his last few years, that being the fate of most, but Immelt is also in there at a much more difficult time. Maybe GE is just plain too big. And I'm a stockholder, too, on a small scale, and bought in just recently and at a lower price. Though I haven't actually studied Immelt in that much detail. Can you really blame the one guy?

638 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:06am

re: #568 Edgar

Yes, and I am against it. I argued that what Obama was doing was trying to curtail free speech but only partially. Not completely like a totalitarian dictator would.

No, actually what you tried to do was introduce cognitive dissonance into the issue by suggesting that a little cyanide wasn't as bad as a lot of cyanide. The intellectual dishonesty of your postings in predisposing that those reading your words are intellectually incapable of perceiving the game you are playing is just plain insulting.

Minimization of an objectionable offense while dissociating support for that offense is a deceitful practice. You are engaging in this behavior and it displays the nature of your character.

639 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:18am

re: #599 MandyManners

The strong moxie you emit is very noticeable, even on a website.

/And there is nothing at all wrong with that.

640 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:35am

re: #587 BignJames

That distinction is lost on me.


Still Gazing

///

641 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:37am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

Uhhhhh...buzz? Are you okay?

642 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:49am

OK, Now I really am outta here! Hope to see you all down the road.

643 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:52:59am

0bama you goddamn fucking son-of-a-bitch.

I have spoken

644 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:53:03am

re: #576 galloping granny

He just does not want anyone to be able to say he voted either for or against it. Yet one more time he refuses to take responsibility!

Obama's a gutless weasel, thereby displaying the exact opposite of character traits essential to being Commander in Chief.

645 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:53:21am

re: #610 legalpad

And, when in the past it was the Media which would act as a counter to politicians who told lies -- (the media would "get on their case") now we have the Media itself doing nothing more than spreading the lies...

646 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:53:22am

re: #638 doriangrey

AMEN! Edgar, did you understand that?

647 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:53:42am

re: #638 doriangrey

Well said. Obama will start as a semi-totalitarian dictator and we should count or blessings?

648 swamprat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:06am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey


Can you you validate any of your assertions? Any links?

649 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:12am

re: #643 Ojoe

your speech offends me. you must be silenced. hand over the keyboard, infidel.

650 Viking6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:17am
Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don't allow our enemies to have guns, why should we allow them to have ideas?

Joseph Stalin


Hummmm...1st and 2nd Amendments

651 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:28am

Well, buzzsawmonkey, I always said I'd have to bring a barf bag to the polls when I pulled the lever for McCain. After he chose Sarah for his running mate I didn't feel that way. Lately I've been feeling that way again. But, obviously, I can't vote for his opponent, and I'm not going to waste my vote on someone with no chance of winning ... if I do that I might as well be casting a vote for Obama.

If they'd let Sarah be Sarah again it would make me feel a hell of a lot better.

652 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:31am

re: #501 Edgar

No, man up.

You have had many people respond to you in genuine fashion, and have not responded.

You are redirecting in your response.

Comparisons were made what we are talking about now, and what the state of affairs were like prior to the assumption of power by the Nazis or the Communists.

Your a bullshit liar, and unable to actually stand up for yourself, and the asinine statements you have made.

653 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:34am
654 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:37am

re: #638 doriangrey


Just what I was thinking.......I think.

655 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:54:46am

re: #578 Catttt

........................................ ............
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. ~George Santayana.
........................................ .............

What if they are completely ignorant of the past? That is what I fear the most.

656 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:12am

Newt calling for Paulson to resign, wassup with that? Newt playing politics, I think. OK, Paulson's original proposal, mint 700 billion dollar bills with Paulson's face on them, was a little much, but he's also so far and just about single-handed kept the whole thing from collapsing. Grow up, Newt, Paulson's just doing what he was hired to do, and about 100x more.

657 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:13am

re: #568 Edgar

Yes, and I am against it. I argued that what Obama was doing was trying to curtail free speech but only partially. Not completely like a totalitarian dictator would.

There is no such thing as "partial supression of Free Speech." Either we have free speech all the time as dictated by the Constitution of the United States of America or we do not have free speech. There is no middle ground. Freedom of Speech is why all of those demonstrators who advocate the overthrow of the United States are free to demonstrate rather than rotting in the gulag.

658 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:23am

This point was probably made in earlier comments, but what would the outcry of the press be if McCain was forming "truth squads" for swing states to suppress anti-McCain sentiment?

/probably overwhelming.

659 Oldasdirt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:24am

Hi Lizzards,Obama's TRUTH SQUADS= Hitler's BROWN SHIRTS.The price of an Obama presidency is our free lives.

660 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:27am

re: #649 hermit

"molon labe"

LOL

661 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:35am

re: #638 doriangrey

No, actually what you tried to do was introduce cognitive dissonance into the issue by suggesting that a little cyanide wasn't as bad as a lot of cyanide. The intellectual dishonesty of your postings in predisposing that those reading your words are intellectually incapable of perceiving the game you are playing is just plain insulting.

Minimization of an objectionable offense while dissociating support for that offense is a deceitful practice. You are engaging in this behavior and it displays the nature of your character.

You sexy thing!

662 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:39am

re: #637 itellu3times

Welch, at his best, was great, but he also had good luck to be there when the economy was good. Maybe Immelt isn't Welch, and hey, maybe Welch wasn't even Welch his last few years, that being the fate of most, but Immelt is also in there at a much more difficult time. Maybe GE is just plain too big. And I'm a stockholder, too, on a small scale, and bought in just recently and at a lower price. Though I haven't actually studied Immelt in that much detail. Can you really blame the one guy?

GE makes most of their money on their finance sector, so that would be the problem with GE stock at the moment. Other than that- they're well diversified between media, technology and manufacturing and I would suspect they'll be okay in the long run.

663 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:39am

re: #581 cybermonk

you disgree, what part of this statement, do you not understand?

You quote #319, which was not my post, while attributing it to me. You will need to make yourself clear if you wish to have me respond to you in any meaningful fashion.

664 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:41am

And Obama gains an additional point in the polls due to MSM spin about "McCain's lying ads in Missouri"....

665 opnion  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:42am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

And Obama supports child welfare, until a kid survives a botched abortion.
In that case he is all for denying medical attention. Infanticide by any other name would smell as foul!

666 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:55:57am

re: #636 realwest

Gee, buzz, either you're still REALLY UPSET about your candidate not getting the nomination or you musta found employment with the Obama campaign.
I was genuinely shocked at your posts.

I think Buzz is trying to post a lengthy screed he got from the Obamabots asking for help to counter it.

667 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:56:13am

re: #557 Gorgon Zola

I agree Colonel Panic,,I was just getting in the spirit of Halloween by summoning up scary visions,,hussein would get no obedience from the military, but what about his civilian youth corps?

He's going to have to arm and train those people. And where would he get the weapons from, and who would he have to call upon to train them?

I don't think he's going to be able get a bunch of conservative active duty or retired military or civilian NRA marksmanship instructors to teach his deputized gangbangers how to shoot.

They'll be out there holding their Glocks and AK's sideways doing the spray n' pray while we take them down with precise aimed rifle fire.

668 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:56:16am

re: #523 Edgar

Obama has yet to implement policy.

Tactics.

669 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:56:21am

BTW, I thought McCain's last statement was VERY weak. He inspires zero confidence wrt the economy.

670 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:56:32am
671 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:56:48am

buzzsaw, why are you cut-and-pasting a spurious mile-long anti-McCain rant from a pro-Obama site? Seems so unlike you.

672 SCDave  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:57:02am

re: #628 Edgar

And I have the right to criticize you for it.

Better enjoy it while you can.
Oh, did you say you weren't American? That might explain your carefree attitude on the subject.

673 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:57:16am

re: #656 itellu3times

Newt calling for Paulson to resign, wassup with that? Newt playing politics, I think. OK, Paulson's original proposal, mint 700 billion dollar bills with Paulson's face on them, was a little much, but he's also so far and just about single-handed kept the whole thing from collapsing. Grow up, Newt, Paulson's just doing what he was hired to do, and about 100x more.

McCain called for him to resign too you know.

674 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:57:47am

re: #655 avspatti

right there with you! uphill battle teaching history in granola-land. thank God I'm at a private school.

675 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:57:53am

re: #653 buzzsawmonkey

Overall, I think some of the "switches" are probably true. However, the author is saying that these switches on McCain's part are only due to political convenience. I dunno how to show that.

676 swamprat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:03am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

Couldn't you have just found this rant and linked to it? Why show all this garbage?

677 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:13am

re: #580 Edgar

I'm not religious and don't see it as being offensive, like "go piss up the rope."

Or whatever obscenity you used the last time.

Oh, so the standard is whatever you find offensive? You might want to check your assumptions.

678 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:27am

Mornin' Dianna.

679 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:29am
680 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:31am

re: #676 swamprat

Couldn't you have just found this rant and linked to it? Why show all this garbage?

It was emailed to him. He may not have a weblink.

681 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:54am

re: #671 zombie

buzzsaw, why are you cut-and-pasting a spurious mile-long anti-McCain rant from a pro-Obama site? Seems so unlike you.

buzz is asking for help in Fisking this screed he received in an email from an Obamabot.

682 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:58:56am

re: #645 J.S.

And, when in the past it was the Media which would act as a counter to politicians who told lies -- (the media would "get on their case") now we have the Media itself doing nothing more than spreading the lies...

Right. I've been ignoring most of the media since 2000. A little talk radio, a lot of internet gives you a lot more data, a lot faster. It amazes me though, how transparent so many of MSM/Dems lies are.

683 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:59:12am

re: #680 Colonel Panik

Hit and run e-mail tactic. *sighs*.

684 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:59:13am

re: #679 buzzsawmonkey

Okay!

685 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:59:20am

re: #665 opnion

And Obama supports child welfare, until a kid survives a botched abortion.
In that case he is all for denying medical attention. Infanticide by any other name would smell as foul!

He supports child welfare my ass. If he did then never in a million years would he have allowed his crony Tony Rezko to take millions of dollars intended to house the poor of Chicago - mostly women and children - and use it to build "low income housing" so shoddy and so poorly that in less than twenty years it has become an unlivable slum where even the roofs have caved in.

686 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #458 seekeroftruth

Pennsylvania is next in line for the "truth "squad :
Obama launches Pa. Truth Squad

It is easy to leave a comment over there.

It needs to be done. We should not just discuss this hear amongst ourselves.

687 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:59:38am

re: #653 buzzsawmonkey

To repeat, the material in the following posts is not mine; it is an anti-McCain screed that was forwarded to me by email.

Its very tone and vagueness make its accusations not credible, but the sheer quantity of claims is clearly intended to throw enough mud against the Republican candidate to make sure that some of it sticks.

If you have not run across this bundle of talking points, it is probable you will.

I am asking for assistance in fisking this; anyone who is willing to weigh in, please do.

re: #575 buzzsawmonkey

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

re: #617 buzzsawmonkey

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

Ahhhhhhhh. Still -- you should have given us some warning!

Debunking 80 vague smears is mostly a waste of time. The Obamites will have us running around playing defense all the way til November. Takes someone 15 seconds to come up with a vague smear -- take two weeks of research to debunk it. How long do we want to play that game?

688 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:59:58am

re: #628 Edgar

And I have the right to criticize you for it.

Yaaar, Edger, we all have strong opinions on basic free speech issues. That was why got flamed by the LGF'ers. You cannot have a republic with out free speech and debate, and Obama's illegal and immoral "truth squads" is only a taste of what is to come if Obama is elected. I find it darkly amusing that our media portrays the patriot acts international voice and data wire-tap provisions as a huge loss of privacy for every American whilst ignoring this instance of blatant violation of first amendment rights....

689 alien_mind  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:00am

re: #624 jaunte

Just thinking that you can call a group of people a "Truth Squad" without some hackles getting raised is a huge giveaway that someone has a tin ear for political resonance.


i second that. how is it that sharp political minds can come up with "truth squads" as a campaign slogan?
i think to most people, in a political context truth squads=police state.

690 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:19am

re: #538 SCDave

Just saw on Fox that the "O-man" may not go back to DC for the vote on the bail-out, he'll go if they need his vote.

hmmm.... less than 25% of the country supporting this bail-out.

I have a strange feeling, in the next few weeks we'll be hearing...
I didn't vote for the bail-out that you didn't support but my opponent did

Too late for B0 - see this!

691 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:26am

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

At first pass, I'd suggest not bothering trying to address it.

It seems to be a defensive maneuver, a lot like throwing out chaff to confuse/distract the enemy's radar. Whatever you do to disprove this, they'll just come up with more.

Keep the gunsight glued on Obama. Stay inside his OODA loop. Don't allow yourself to be distracted.

692 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:32am

re: #621 pat

And exactly how do these toads know the truth about Obama? It seems to change daily. For example, missile defense.

Every day is a New Truth. Hope and Change and all that.

693 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:34am
694 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:35am

re: #652 formercorpsman

No, man up.

You have had many people respond to you in genuine fashion, and have not responded.

You are redirecting in your response.

Comparisons were made what we are talking about now, and what the state of affairs were like prior to the assumption of power by the Nazis or the Communists.

Your a bullshit liar, and unable to actually stand up for yourself, and the asinine statements you have made.

Sigh. Grab the bottle of Ritalin beside your cot and take the prescribed dose.

695 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:36am

re: #686 Syrah

It is easy to leave a comment over there.

It needs to be done. We should not just discuss this hear amongst ourselves.

Discuss what?

696 capitalist piglet  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:00:56am

Can you guys even imagine a Republican pulling anything like this? Forming a "truth squad"? Asking law enforcement to intimidate people?

I don't think it would even cross their minds.

That's a major difference between the two parties.

And what scares me is that Obama is starting to pull away in the polls now; Gallup has him up by eight points. Regular folks never hear about this stuff, or they don't understand how chilling it is.

I'm really afraid of this guy.

697 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:01:31am

re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat

At first pass, I'd suggest not bothering trying to address it.

It seems to be a defensive maneuver, a lot like throwing out chaff to confuse/distract the enemy's radar. Whatever you do to disprove this, they'll just come up with more.

Keep the gunsight glued on Obama. Stay inside his OODA loop. Don't allow yourself to be distracted.

I agree 100%. Spot on.

698 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:01:32am

re: #641 MandyManners

Uhhhhh...buzz? Are you okay?

I asked the same then realized it was a continuation of a preceding post.

699 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:01:33am

re: #670 taxfreekiller

Edgar,

What is your thinking on the work of the swift-boat vet discussion boards and the work they did to show the true facts of Lt. John F. Kerry's awards and citations in the Vietnam Combat Zone?


Wow, I understood all of that ;)

700 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:01:57am

re: #671 zombie

buzzsaw, why are you cut-and-pasting a spurious mile-long anti-McCain rant from a pro-Obama site? Seems so unlike you.

He wants help fisking it.

701 tangerinesong  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:02am

re: #575 buzzsawmonkey

Gee Monkey,

Your posts are too brief.

Can you expand on this a little more.....at Kaus?

TS

702 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:05am

re: #696 capitalist piglet

Can you guys even imagine a Republican pulling anything like this? Forming a "truth squad"? Asking law enforcement to intimidate people?

I don't think it would even cross their minds.

That's a major difference between the two parties.

And what scares me is that Obama is starting to pull away in the polls now; Gallup has him up by eight points. Regular folks never hear about this stuff, or they don't understand how chilling it is.

I'm really afraid of this guy.

I've never seen anything like this - the American people have been hoodwinked. I thought it couldn't be done, but it has.

703 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:18am
704 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:21am

re: #638 doriangrey

No, actually what you tried to do was introduce cognitive dissonance into the issue by suggesting that a little cyanide wasn't as bad as a lot of cyanide. The intellectual dishonesty of your postings in predisposing that those reading your words are intellectually incapable of perceiving the game you are playing is just plain insulting.

Minimization of an objectionable offense while dissociating support for that offense is a deceitful practice. You are engaging in this behavior and it displays the nature of your character.

Bullseye there, dorian - it's like a little child molesting.

705 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:22am

re: #636 realwest

Go back to the first one.

It is a re-post of something else.

706 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:42am

Must take a break.
See you all later.

707 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:49am

re: #272 zombie

This is what awaits us:

Taliban in Pakistan publicly flog butcher for selling non-halal meat (photo).

Police state tactics are police state tactics, whether they be medieval or futuristic.

is it really that far fetched to think the missouri thugs won't follow an example like this as punishment for the first person to blaspheme the "messish"?

708 Greensoccer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:52am

Considering how much Obama lies, he better be careful. He'll get arrested, tried, and convicted by the enforcement of the very same laws the enforcement of which he is pushing.

709 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:53am

When Dhimmicrats are faced with irrefutable truth, it is lies and Swiftboating, and they launch truth ggon squads. When Republicans are faced with irrefutable truth, they are just guilty, end of story.

/sarc

710 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:02:56am

re: #671 zombie

buzzsaw, why are you cut-and-pasting a spurious mile-long anti-McCain rant from a pro-Obama site? Seems so unlike you.

He's merely asking for help in countering it.
(see my #691)

711 CONTRACTEM  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:03am

You remember the poem about Nazi Germany and the brown shirts that ended (when they came for me their was no one left to speak out)
We need to speak out very loudly to everyone we know and not allow this Marxist to be elected in spite of the mass media hype and fear of being considered racist.

712 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:03am

re: #687 zombie

Ahhhhhhhh. Still -- you should have given us some warning!

Debunking 80 vague smears is mostly a waste of time. The Obamites will have us running around playing defense all the way til November. Takes someone 15 seconds to come up with a vague smear -- take two weeks of research to debunk it. How long do we want to play that game?

The time spent would be better put to use elsewhere. The media is thoroughly in the tank and all the work you do debunking will be exclusively for your own benefit.

713 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:15am

re: #693 buzzsawmonkey

It was forwarded to me linkless in an email--otherwise I would have simply posted the link.

I do think, however, that there is some small merit in seeing the thing in its entirety, because it provides a graphic example of what the Obama supporters are circulating around that we may well be unaware of.

Takes 5 seconds of googling to find it online.

Here's a copy right here.

714 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:28am

It's what I always thought this year. 2 factors:

1. This is a horrible year to be a Republican candidate for President
2. McCain is too old and frail looking with the puffy cheeks and everything, there were people in the focus groups saying exactly that

715 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:41am

re: #666 galloping granny

I think Buzz is attempting to state that trying to argue that Obama vacillates on points (one day states X, next day states Y) is comparable to McCain's flip/flops. However, McCain has been in office for decades. Obama a couple of years...and even then Obama has avoided (strenuously) from taking any firm stands on anything...(for me, the bottom line as to why I would never vote for Obama -- it has to do with obama's associations -- he advisers, the people with whom Obama surrounds himself with -- I truly believe Obama is dangerous...very, very dangerous. I don't always agree 100 percent with McCain, but McCain's character is so far superior to obama's, that I'd never vote for Obama.)

716 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:45am

re: #667 Colonel Panik

He's going to have to arm and train those people. And where would he get the weapons from, and who would he have to call upon to train them?

Probably send them to Venezuela and Cuba.

717 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:52am

re: #709 HDrepub

ggon = goon squads PIMF

718 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:03:55am

re: #653 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, I'll look at one.

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

I'll say that McCain possibly was the greatest critic of "Rumsfeld's" policy, though I still don't know just how much of what was Rumsfeld's, versus Bush's, versus various generals'. What McCain was saying is that our tactics seemed poor, even if the strategy remained valid. So in each case, his positive remarks were about our engagement, and not at all at odds with his continuous criticism.

I'd say this is what the entire list is about, McCain might have voted against one bill on, say, veteran's benefits, because he wanted a different bill on the same thing.

Is that the same mousetrap the Republicans used against Kerry four years ago? Kerry says it was. I'd have to go review the record. Is that the same mousetrap being used now against Obama? I'm not aware of any such case.

719 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:04:15am
720 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:04:21am

re: #714 EIDE_Interface

We already have a troll on this thread- we really don't need your moby routine right now.

721 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:04:32am
722 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:04:51am

re: #697 zombie

I agree 100%. Spot on.

I used to wish I had a Klingon Bird of Prey at times like these (heh).

723 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:04:57am

re: #720 Sharmuta

We already have a troll on this thread- we really don't need your moby routine right now.

So you don't want to acknowledge reality that Obama is pulling away in the polls?

724 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:04am

re: #693 buzzsawmonkey

Here is the blog, but not that page.

[Link: www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...]

They recommend Kos and HuffPo

725 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:08am

re: #612 Edgar

You misunderstood then. I did not mean that.

Funny, we all misunderstood. Only you didn't misunderstand yourself (well, that makes some sense), but this means that you failed, badly, to communicate.

How about you get off your high horse and apologize?

726 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:16am

re: #695 EIDE_Interface

Discuss what?

Good morning EIDE.

Go over to that site and share your thoughts on "truth squads" with the readers there.

Say what ever you wish, in support or in opposition.

Its your voice, while you have it.

727 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:22am

re: #694 Edgar

Affirmation complete.

728 tangerinesong  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:23am

re: #637 itellu3times

Yup


TS

729 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:23am

re: #720 Sharmuta

We already have a troll on this thread- we really don't need your moby routine right now.

Sharmuta, since you're probably referring to me (wild guess- I disagree with you), how am I a "troll"?

730 zenren  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:27am

re: #369 Edgar

Mandy, are you not mature enough to debate an issue without cursing?

Read it again.

Edgar,

If BO can't handle it, he should NOT be POTUS. Period.

731 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:32am

re: #673 galloping granny

McCain called for him to resign too you know.

Paulson? I don't think so. McCain called for Chris Cox to be fired. Different guy, different reasons.

732 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:32am

re: #552 realwest

As I recall:

the Oath that every member of the United States Armed Forces swears to, states, in relevant part, that "we will defend the Constituion of the United States of America from all enemies, domestic and foreign."
No where does that Oath state that we will follow the orders of the President if those orders are or appear to us to be, unlawful.
I still stand by that oath I took over 30 years ago.

Yes - and please remember that in the 3rd Reich, the soldiers and officers had to swear an oath of fealty - to Hitler!
They had indeed sworn to follow Hitler's orders - and thus all came up with this 'only following orders'-excuse.
I recall that after the war many Amercians wrote about how they, as you say, swore to defend the Constitution of the USA - and not some President. Thus they were free to disobey unlawful orders of any President.

Interesting question here: would a B0 as POTUS also alter this oath?

733 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:37am

re: #693 buzzsawmonkey

It was forwarded to me linkless in an email--otherwise I would have simply posted the link.

I do think, however, that there is some small merit in seeing the thing in its entirety, because it provides a graphic example of what the Obama supporters are circulating around that we may well be unaware of.

Here - - I just tracked down the source:

The Carpetbagger Report: McCain Flip-Flop List

No need to repaste the whole thing.

734 capitalist piglet  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:37am

re: #714 EIDE_Interface

It's what I always thought this year. 2 factors:

1. This is a horrible year to be a Republican candidate for President
2. McCain is too old and frail looking with the puffy cheeks and everything, there were people in the focus groups saying exactly that

If point 2 is what Americans base their vote on, they don't deserve freedom. It makes me sick.

735 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:05:57am

re: #726 Syrah

Good morning EIDE.

Go over to that site and share your thoughts on "truth squads" with the readers there.

Say what ever you wish, in support or in opposition.

Its your voice, while you have it.

As though it would do any good on a hostile leftist site. Come on, face the reality! Our country is being taken over!

736 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:12am

re: #687 zombie

Ahhhhhhhh. Still -- you should have given us some warning!

Debunking 80 vague smears is mostly a waste of time. The Obamites will have us running around playing defense all the way til November. Takes someone 15 seconds to come up with a vague smear -- take two weeks of research to debunk it. How long do we want to play that game?

I agree. If someone wants to make these assertions fine - ask THEM to provide links to proof.

737 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:14am

re: #720 Sharmuta

We already have a troll on this thread- we really don't need your moby routine right now.

Sharmuta, I don't think EIDE is a moby, just a youngster who is still slightly confused.

738 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:25am

re: #714 EIDE_Interface

It's what I always thought this year. 2 factors:

1. This is a horrible year to be a Republican candidate for President
2. McCain is too old and frail looking with the puffy cheeks and everything, there were people in the focus groups saying exactly that

Thye probably culled their focus groups from the local chapter of the Dem Club

739 wright1  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:32am

When I heard about this story and saw the video I thought it has to be a joke. Can't be serious. But it actually IS! Have we have turned into a Banana Republic? Truth squad ? You mean goon squad!

How is this happening that the media is permitting this? I tell you what, we are ready for A Sharia-State. God help us.

740 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:38am

re: #723 EIDE_Interface

What, the "reality" of MSM polls? Please!

741 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:40am

re: #734 capitalist piglet

If point 2 is what Americans base their vote on, they don't deserve freedom. It makes me sick.

Well that's what these focus groups are saying. Apparently most people are that shallow.

742 Dianna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:06:53am

re: #614 pat

Let us not forget that McCain Feingold does much the same thing.

At least McCain has admitted it wasn't the brightest idea he ever had!

743 SurferDoc  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:12am

buzzsawmonkey: No need to fisk it. Screw 'em. I know McCain isn't perfect but he is an American and a man who has been tested, not a jumped -up Metrosexual Europussy like Obama. And I really, really like Sarah Palin. MCCain gets my vote--and I have to take give up a day's wages to travel and vote this time.

744 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:12am

re: #740 6pat6

What, the "reality" of MSM polls? Please!

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are not biased polls! Get your head out of your posterior!

745 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:18am
746 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:19am

re: #723 EIDE_Interface

So you don't want to acknowledge reality that Obama is pulling away in the polls?

You put too much "faith" in the polls when it's been exposed they are being stacked. You're letting the msm get away with what they want to get away with- depressing the republican side in the hopes it will suppress our votes. So for the love of Pete- get a a grip.

747 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:20am

re: #679 buzzsawmonkey

re: #636 realwest

re: #641 MandyManners

re: #648 swamprat

Again:
But I am trying to get assistance in fisking this; it is too much for me to begin to answer--which is the intention of the piece in the first place.

I want to be able to blow as much of this out of the water as possible; both to the person who sent it to me, and to anyone else who raises this garbage.

dear buzz, I've said this here before, but you'd be TOTALLY wasting your valuable time and energy trying to deal with these half-truths, innuendos, cherry-picked assertions, and out-of-context claims. Even if you spent 24 hours linking with the record and supporting your refutations with government documents, all that the propagandists would do would be silent for an hour or a day, then reformulate the cr@p and then post it all over again.

748 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:24am

re: #714 EIDE_Interface

It's what I always thought this year. 2 factors:

1. This is a horrible year to be a Republican candidate for President
2. McCain is too old and frail looking with the puffy cheeks and everything, there were people in the focus groups saying exactly that

As Margaret Thatcher said to Ronald Reagon - don't go wobbly!

Also, Senator McCain is old, but he hardly looks frail. Those are two different things.

749 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:38am

re: #707 nyc redneck

is it really that far fetched to think the missouri thugs won't follow an example like this as punishment for the first person to blaspheme the "messish"?

... merely transferring the venue, though not the result, to a courtroom.

/made it a bit more precise

750 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:38am

re: #729 Edgar

Sharmuta, since you're probably referring to me (wild guess- I disagree with you), how am I a "troll"?

I think I have covered that pretty well.

751 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:43am

re: #723 EIDE_Interface

So you don't want to acknowledge reality that Obama is pulling away in the polls?

The polls are heavily manipulated and why should we fuck around worrying about media shit?

752 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:49am

Lets see here, Obama and his Dem compatriots in Mizzou threaten police action against naysayers and Edgar implies that "some suppression of free speech" is somehow not extreme.

Ok then, Edgar. Hope you never have to actually live with the consequences of that opinion.

753 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:07:57am

Rasmussen - Obama +6
Gallup - Obama +8

754 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:00am

re: #687 zombie

You don't, because you can't win on defense.

/Let's follow tfk's advice - focus on the Fannie Mac meltdown and Obama's duplicity in it.

755 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:01am

re: #723 EIDE_Interface

So you don't want to acknowledge reality that Obama is pulling away in the polls?

You put that much stock in polls?

756 LGoPs  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:21am

re: #655 avspatti

What if they are completely ignorant of the past? That is what I fear the most.

Our education system makes them intentionally ignorant of the past. If you teach about Marx and communism it will lead to uncomfortable questions for the likes of Obama and Biden. By eliminating those subjects, people think Marx was a funny comedian and hence no comparisons of their wealth redistribution plans to what the Soviets did. This erasure has been going on for a long time and is one of the great threats to the republic. Much easier for the liberals to control an uneducated public.......

757 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:41am
758 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:49am

re: #750 doriangrey

I think I have covered that pretty well.

Well, I need you to respond in more detail. Only fair, right? People are insisting that I clarify every single thing I say.

759 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:51am

My poll is just as "valid" as the MSM polls. MY poll indicates that Teddy Roosevelt is ahead in the polls by 28% over Dwight Eisenhower in the current election polls.

760 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:08:51am

re: #703 buzzsawmonkey

I did give warning--in the first of the posts, I wrote a several-paragraph warning introduction, which apparently was mistakenly taken to be part of the crap corpus.

In any event, my apologies to those who mistakenly thought I had suddenly gone mad.

Ahhhhhh -- I didn't even see the first of the comment series. I started reading at the second comment (#575), which, as you can see if you start reading there, seems to be a self-supporting essay. I thought you yourself had written it!

761 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:00am

re: #751 SpartanWoman

The polls are heavily manipulated and why should we fuck around worrying about media shit?

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are respected polls. I don't pay attention to any other ones. They average Obama +7 right now, the biggest lead. So much for the idea that McCain *won* the debate.

762 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:09am

re: #729 Edgar

Edgar, dispute the post Dorian made you.

Don't suggest a medicinal fix, try disputing his post by going back over your own in question.

Come on buddy, you can do it.

763 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:12am

re: #741 EIDE_Interface

Well that's what these focus groups are saying. Apparently most people are that shallow.

aren't "ignorant and free" supposed to be antithetical? dumbass focus groups.

764 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:17am

re: #612 Edgar

You misunderstood then. I did not mean that.

She misunderstood. As opposed to not expressing yourself clearly. Typical. Projecting blame when someone doesn't understand.

765 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:23am

re: #702 EIDE_Interface

I've never seen anything like this - the American people have been hoodwinked. I thought it couldn't be done, but it has.

In the primaries I favored Obama over Hillary (only slightly) because I feared the Clintons would be the ones using intimidation and brown-shirt tactics. Turns out Obama is the bigger left-wing thug.

766 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:23am

re: #744 EIDE_Interface

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are not biased polls! Get your head out of your posterior!

What is the point of this focus on polls? Are you here trolling for despair.

767 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:23am

re: #748 Catttt

As Margaret Thatcher said to Ronald Reagon - don't go wobbly!

Also, Senator McCain is old, but he hardly looks frail. Those are two different things.

Today's 72 is yesterday's 62. We have the best healthcare system in the world.

768 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:26am

re: #757 taxfreekiller

Edgar,

Response will set you free of the troll charge.

Your thinking on the swiftboat vet discussion boards on Kerry's awards and citations.

Facts do count, any one can misdirect.

Respond to what? I've responded to many people.

769 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:09:37am

re: #757 taxfreekiller

Edgar,

Response will set you free of the troll charge.

Your thinking on the swiftboat vet discussion boards on Kerry's awards and citations.

Facts do count, any one can misdirect.

Hey killer, whats for lunch.... Gamey troll buttocks you say.... lol...lol...lol...

770 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:02am

BTW, I am not trying to suppress any GOP voting as I plan to vote McCain along with everyone I know. But obviously McCain inspires no real confidence with his flip-flopping and vacillation the last 2 weeks.

771 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:06am

re: #746 Sharmuta

Snap out of it!

Good advice, for those bummed by the polls.

772 DesertSage  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:16am

re: #748 Catttt

As Margaret Thatcher said to Ronald Reagon - don't go wobbly!

Margaret Thatcher said that to George Bush Sr. before the first Gulf War...not to Reagan.

773 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:32am
774 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:32am

re: #723 EIDE_Interface

So you don't want to acknowledge reality that Obama is pulling away in the polls?

Yaar, no one believes the polls anymore, unless you are a liberal! I predict a landlslide victory for McCain with LGF leading the attack against Obama....

775 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:54am

re: #770 EIDE_Interface

About BUT. Some say everything prior to the BUT is bullshit.

776 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:10:57am

re: #767 HDrepub

Today's 72 is yesterday's 62. We have the best healthcare system in the world.

But on a stage Obama looks so "vigorous and young" to the elderly McCain with the puffy face.

777 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:06am

re: #612 Edgar

You misunderstood then. I did not mean that.

I didn't misunderstand - I caught the nuance. However, you used a loaded sentence to pass an inference, whether on purpose or as a result of inexperience, and many people caught that inference.

778 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:15am

re: #735 EIDE_Interface

As though it would do any good on a hostile leftist site. Come on, face the reality! Our country is being taken over!

If you wan to crawl under a blanket and let history takes its course with out any effort on your part to shape it, go ahead. The blanket may be of more comfort to you then any of us could be.

Fight or not.

I choose to fight.

779 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:17am

re: #750 doriangrey

You read my mind.

I just saw your post now.

Still playing catch up.

780 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:31am

re: #758 Edgar

Well, I need you to respond in more detail. Only fair, right? People are insisting that I clarify every single thing I say.

I have already responded in extensive detail, your intention obtuseness not withstanding.

781 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:34am

And over 33% of likely voters think Betty Boop has it all over Wilma Flintstone, if the election were held today.

782 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:39am
783 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:41am

re: #638 doriangrey

No, actually what you tried to do was introduce cognitive dissonance into the issue by suggesting that a little cyanide wasn't as bad as a lot of cyanide. The intellectual dishonesty of your postings in predisposing that those reading your words are intellectually incapable of perceiving the game you are playing is just plain insulting.

Minimization of an objectionable offense while dissociating support for that offense is a deceitful practice. You are engaging in this behavior and it displays the nature of your character.

Here is my response:

Yes, I suggested that partial suppression isn't as bad as full suppression. I do not agree with either.

784 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #774 LoFlyer

Yaar, no one believes the polls anymore, unless you are a liberal! I predict a landlslide victory for McCain with LGF leading the attack against Obama....

Ok, now you're just delusional.

785 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

I think that is what we are saying. Why else would someone even come up with the idea of "Truth Squads"? I guess it would be the same people that came up with the "Employee Free Choice Act", an act that takes away the secret ballot from an employee by forcing them to vote using union cards, a vile and unfair tactic that even the Supreme Court has ruled against.

DemonRats are going to be the ruin of this great nation if not kept in check.

786 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:20am

re: #761 EIDE_Interface

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are respected polls. I don't pay attention to any other ones. They average Obama +7 right now, the biggest lead. So much for the idea that McCain *won* the debate.

Gallup is located in Princeton which is complete Obama territory. I do not trust anything about them on politics

787 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:25am

re: #758 Edgar

Cop out.

788 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:26am

re: #777 Catttt

pass inference interference!

789 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:32am

re: #772 DesertSage

Margaret Thatcher said that to George Bush Sr. before the first Gulf War...not to Reagan.

I stand corrected. - and you are right - I can almost hear the "George" at the end of the sentence.

790 itellu3times  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:39am

re: #723 EIDE_Interface

So you don't want to acknowledge reality that Obama is pulling away in the polls?

Polls are highly suspect, yet I suppose if they all show the same thing, it might reflect some real movement.

But you can feel it, that the Palin surge is over. The disappointment about Obama is over, that was caused by his own tedious acceptance speech.

These are very much two rope-a-dope candidates, both nominated because they the voters loathed their opponents, and McCain and Obama seemed mostly harmless, whatever tiny virtues they might also offer. McCain has not set the world on fire, except when he nominated Palin, and frankly, she seems to have fallen off the radar, probably cramming for her Thursday debate. Biden being such a clown, that debate may be a huge opportunity. Let's hang on until then.

791 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:46am

re: #615 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm a sucker for books ...
Gonna order that, too!
Thanks!


(Phew, can't keep up with the fast and furious posting here tonight!)

792 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:12:51am

re: #767 HDrepub

McCain is not so much old as he is crippled from torture. Jack LaLane towed 70 boats with his teeth when he was 70.

793 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:13:08am

re: #786 SpartanWoman

Gallup is located in Princeton which is complete Obama territory. I do not trust anything about them on politics

Any evidence that they don't sample their polls correctly? Otherwise you are just being totally ridiculous.

794 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:13:13am

re: #758 Edgar

Well, I need you to respond in more detail. Only fair, right? People are insisting that I clarify every single thing I say.

Than, Edgar, I suggest you shut up on this thread. No more post to this threads. You can post on other topics, but I want to put a "little suppression" on you. Since you seem to think a "little suppression" is not the same as any of the suppression that was detailed in 1984, or some of the suppression of free speech that Hitler wrought on his people.

795 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:13:19am

re: #774 LoFlyer

"Yaar"...darm

/*grin* ... the only cure for a Pirate Fixation

796 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:13:51am

re: #766 SpartanWoman

What is the point of this focus on polls? Are you here trolling for despair.

Yes! I believe he is because this is all he's done for weeks.

797 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:03am

re:

798 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:07am
799 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:09am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, I think what I would do with that screed first off is shoot it off to the McCain campaign.

800 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:13am

re: #792 legalpad

McCain is not so much old as he is crippled from torture. Jack LaLane towed 70 boats with his teeth when he was 70.

Not releveant WHY McCain is frail - he's perceived to not be qualified to be POTUS by enough swing voters to matter. I mean FUCK, Obama is leading in Virginia!@

801 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:17am

re: #776 EIDE_Interface

But on a stage Obama looks so "vigorous and young" to the elderly McCain with the puffy face.

Obama is a 30 yr smoker, and no one knows if he has really quit as he says. He has that smoker face if you look at him carefully. I saw a breakdown on "polls" awhile back that showed national polls not meaning much. When you break down Obama's support versus McCain with the demographic categories who will likely vote, the national numbers don't add up.

802 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:20am

Princeton polls are reliable? What are you smoking?

Rasmussen? MAYBE closer to reality, but again, it's JUST a poll.

The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day. ALL others are bullshit, EIDE.

803 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:27am
804 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:52am

re: #794 Walter L. Newton

Than, Edgar, I suggest you shut up on this thread. No more post to this threads. You can post on other topics, but I want to put a "little suppression" on you. Since you seem to think a "little suppression" is not the same as any of the suppression that was detailed in 1984, or some of the suppression of free speech that Hitler wrought on his people.

Hoisting him on his own petard?!

805 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:56am

re: #766 SpartanWoman

What is the point of this focus on polls? Are you here trolling for despair.

I dont think so, EIDE seems more intent on being objective. I am a strong McCain supporter, but I concede that McCain does have an image problem.

806 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:58am

re: #802 6pat6

The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.

EXACTLY!

807 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:14:58am

re: #744 EIDE_Interface

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are not biased polls! Get your head out of your posterior!

Internet polls can be manipulated.

Otherwise - how do you explain the AOL poll showing McCain winning by a landslide?

One question was posed (one vote allowed) - "who will you vote for"?
206,923 people responded
McCain 62%
Obama 38%

808 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:00am

re: #631 galloping granny

OT - Urgent Prayers please. A neighbor just stopped to tell us that he had hit one of our "adopted" cats - little Boots - who has been rushed up the road to the vet.

{galloping granny} - praying for your little cat and for you!

809 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:05am

re: #798 taxfreekiller

Edgar,,

I do not need to be polite, I'm in fact an ass hole mean sob.

So,

Is or is not Lt. for Life John F. Kerry a no good liar, who faked his awards and citations in a combat zone, then lied to the U.S. Senate about American fighting men, then to top it off met with the VC, NVA, and Commie NV Government in Paris France while still in the U.S. Navy Reserve, aka (treason).

simple

yes
no

The answer is I don't know enough about him to answer (seriously). If I was forced to choose at gunpoint, I would say `yes.'

810 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:05am

That is, the Gallup Poll, located in Princeton!

811 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:12am

re: #782 buzzsawmonkey

My apologies for spamming the thread with this trash

No apology needed, buzz.

812 Outrider  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:24am

re: #623 buzzsawmonkey

continued

59. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

(snip)

If and when you learn of a reversal that has not yet made the list, I hope you’ll let me know.

[End of anti-McCain Screed]

The vast majority of this is so vague. No citations, references, anything. This is the type of attack that I often see trolls make and that is: type in a large comment with many points because they know no one will address all of them and therefore they can claim victory because most of the post is uncontested.

In this case, what would be the point of addressing this diatribe?

813 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:31am

re: #770 EIDE_Interface

BTW, I am not trying to suppress any GOP voting as I plan to vote McCain along with everyone I know. But obviously McCain inspires no real confidence with his flip-flopping and vacillation the last 2 weeks.

And what does Obama inspire? I mean that and I'm not saying you are inspired by him. He has changed his mind, or has pretended to, on many things important to me. Missile defense, Israel, taxes and now is sending out truth squads.

I live near gallup, know people from gallup and they are lib as can be. Increasingly so.

814 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:46am

re: #805 doriangrey

I dont think so, EIDE seems more intent on being objective. I am a strong McCain supporter, but I concede that McCain does have an image problem.

Thank you! Not all of us are delusional partisans!

815 HDrepub  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:15:57am

re: #800 EIDE_Interface

Not releveant WHY McCain is frail - he's perceived to not be qualified to be POTUS by enough swing voters to matter. I mean FUCK, Obama is leading in Virginia!@

Virgina's demographic is different now, with all the exurbans who have left the screwed up city of Washington, DC.

816 The Shadow Do  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:16:04am

re: #761 EIDE_Interface

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are respected polls. I don't pay attention to any other ones. They average Obama +7 right now, the biggest lead. So much for the idea that McCain *won* the debate.

These are rolling polls. You will have to wait unitil Tuesday AM to factor in the debate. This poll, I think, reflects public knee jerk to the financial crisis.

817 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:16:11am

re: #770 EIDE_Interface

BTW, I am not trying to suppress any GOP voting as I plan to vote McCain along with everyone I know. But obviously McCain inspires no real confidence with his flip-flopping and vacillation the last 2 weeks.

The Democratic strategy of putting out slanted poll numbers to make it look like Obama is winning is hilariously wrongheaded. They think it will cause McCain voters to switch sides (or independents to vote for Obama) because they want to "be on the winning team." But of course the opposite will happen -- the slanted poll results will only make the McCain supporters work harder.

Keep pushing those Obama poll numbers!

Obama is winning! Oh nooooooo!

818 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #813 SpartanWoman

And what does Obama inspire? I mean that and I'm not saying you are inspired by him. He has changed his mind, or has pretended to, on many things important to me. Missile defense, Israel, taxes and now is sending out truth squads.

I live near gallup, know people from gallup and they are lib as can be. Increasingly so.

Obviously he's inspiring swing voters to some extent as evidenced by his pulling away in the Gallup/Rasmussen over the last 2 days. Or maybe it's just people are afraid of McCain.

819 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:16:59am

re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat

At first pass, I'd suggest not bothering trying to address it.

It seems to be a defensive maneuver, a lot like throwing out chaff to confuse/distract the enemy's radar. Whatever you do to disprove this, they'll just come up with more.

Keep the gunsight glued on Obama. Stay inside his OODA loop. Don't allow yourself to be distracted.

Spoken like a true warrior. Keep your eyes on the prize and don't let yourself be distracted. Spot on!

820 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:17:14am
821 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:17:30am

re: #803 Sharmuta

Bogus Poll Intended to Boost 0bama

But what the news outlets failed to report in their coverage about the Washington Post-ABC poll was the fact that 38% of the individuals who made up the poll identified themselves as Democrats, while only 28% identified themselves as Republicans.

That's not just bogus. It's a lie.

822 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:17:34am

re: #818 EIDE_Interface

Obviously he's inspiring swing voters to some extent as evidenced by his pulling away in the Gallup/Rasmussen over the last 2 days. Or maybe it's just people are afraid of McCain.

Or maybe you're buying into the bullshit the msm is selling.

823 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:17:37am

re: #714 EIDE_Interface

It's what I always thought this year. 2 factors:

1. This is a horrible year to be a Republican candidate for President
2. McCain is too old and frail looking with the puffy cheeks and everything, there were people in the focus groups saying exactly that

And Obama looks like he belongs on the cover of Mad Magazine. But his looks are irrelevant to how I'll vote on November 4.

We can't afford a socialist/communist as POTUS. Period. Do you have ANY idea what he could do?

824 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:17:56am

re: #784 EIDE_Interface

Ok, now you're just delusional.

Yaar, Like how is that? In 2004 every exit pool had Kerry decisively beating Bush. Didn't happen the way the polls indicated dude! So am I delusional or polls are deliberatly biased against conservatives, who are usually working and have no time for for BS when the polls are taken.

825 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:01am

re: #523 Edgar

People are comparing Obama's policies with those of the Nazis.

and rightly so.

826 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:01am

re: #802 6pat6

Princeton polls are reliable? What are you smoking?

Rasmussen? MAYBE closer to reality, but again, it's JUST a poll.

The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day. ALL others are bullshit, EIDE.

Except that Rasmussen admitted on Fox a few days back that they are stacking the polls to allow for Obama's blackness. And if you investigate, even Rasmussen often polls many, many more Dems than Republicans - far out of proportion to the actual voters.

827 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:03am

re: #817 zombie

The Democratic strategy of putting out slanted poll numbers to make it look like Obama is winning is hilariously wrongheaded. They think it will cause McCain voters to switch sides (or independents to vote for Obama) because they want to "be on the winning team." But of course the opposite will happen -- the slanted poll results will only make the McCain supporters work harder.

Keep pushing those Obama poll numbers!

Obama is winning! Oh nooooooo!

If I wanted to be a moby trying to affect voting, I'd not come on LGF to do it. Pretty pointless, you think? I'd probably go to where swing voters were?

828 alien_mind  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:19am

re: #744 EIDE_Interface

Once again, Gallup and Rasmussen are not biased polls! Get your head out of your posterior!


you remind me of the Bill Paxton character in the movie Aliens. always running around saying things like, "we're screwed man! what are we going to do now?"

829 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:23am

re: #820 taxfreekiller

loon democrat,
bet Edgar belongs to Greenpeace and donates to the A.C.L.U.

Spot on, dude!

830 mich-again  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:26am

Went to visit my parents today and dad was sitting there at his computer watching Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West. I was like, cool. where'd you get that? He told it came free in the newspaper today. Ha. I wonder how many copies were delivered up the road in Dearborn. Can't wait for the letters to the editor.

831 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:18:55am

So, what's for desert?

832 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:17am

re: #826 galloping granny

Except that Rasmussen admitted on Fox a few days back that they are stacking the polls to allow for Obama's blackness.

Doesn't surprise me one single bit. This is why polls mean absolutly nothing.

833 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:19am

re: #826 galloping granny

Except that Rasmussen admitted on Fox a few days back that they are stacking the polls to allow for Obama's blackness. And if you investigate, even Rasmussen often polls many, many more Dems than Republicans - far out of proportion to the actual voters.

Even if you factor in a 4 point bias with the way they poll, Obama still leads by 3/4 point for REAL.

834 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:23am

re: #831 MandyManners

So, what's for desert?

Calorie-wise granola bar. Only 65 calories per serving.

835 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:25am

re: #803 Sharmuta

Bogus Poll Intended to Boost 0bama

That was bad. Bad for the whole industry. It's bad enough when some fly-by-night bogus company runs push polls, but that WaPo poll makes it look like all the big names do that stuff. They are ripe bastards for doing that.

836 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:26am

re: #818 EIDE_Interface

Obviously he's inspiring swing voters to some extent as evidenced by his pulling away in the Gallup/Rasmussen over the last 2 days. Or maybe it's just people are afraid of McCain.

Well now I'm inspired to ignore both you and edgar. I wish we had an "ignore member" option here

837 yesandno  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:28am

re: #628 Edgar

And I have the right to criticize you for it.

That is the point. What you call criticism other people call attacks. And while we are attempting to determine what is what, Obama gets elected because govt officials have stepped in to determine what is what and scaring everyone not to say what they believe because they could be prosecuted.

Where is their statements about going after the lies told about Palin or McCain? This looks like the suppression of speech of one group...an ideological prosecution which is more like a persecution.

838 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:34am

Grima Wormtongue: It's hopeless, the polls are against us, and favor the Dark Lord.

839 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:35am

re: #831 MandyManners

coffee, tea...

Hey, what is that in between your teeth?

840 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:37am

re: #818 EIDE_Interface

Obviously he's inspiring swing voters to some extent as evidenced by his pulling away in the Gallup/Rasmussen over the last 2 days. Or maybe it's just people are afraid of McCain.

And then how do you explain the reliability of the poll being advertised as "tell us who you are going to vote for, give us your zip code, collect your free gas card." REAL reliable that one is.

841 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:19:43am
842 Random63  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:20:01am

re: #688 LoFlyer

Yaaar, Edger, we all have strong opinions on basic free speech issues. That was why got flamed by the LGF'ers. You cannot have a republic with out free speech and debate, and Obama's illegal and immoral "truth squads" is only a taste of what is to come if Obama is elected. I find it darkly amusing that our media portrays the patriot acts international voice and data wire-tap provisions as a huge loss of privacy for every American whilst ignoring this instance of blatant violation of first amendment rights....

It's nice to see someone "playing nice" with Edgar for once. I know once made an innocent comment about Dr. Ron Paul and boy did I get flamed and accused of being a Paulian, illegal alien, space alien, etc.

Folks, when you flame and are insulting, then your no better than the Kos kids. I know there are grown ups here as shown in the above quoted post. People can disagree and discuss the issues without flaming or being rude.

This time out was brought to you by civilized behavior.

843 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:20:14am

Zogby has McCain up and he's be historically closer than other pollsters.

844 EIDE_Interface  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:20:15am

I'm absolutely shocked that so few of you want to admit that McCain has a serious image problem. The issue is not that Obama is totally odious, but the fact that McCain does NOTHING to make people want to vote for him.