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Obama Campaign Throws First Amendment Under the Bus

Politics | Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13:08 am PDT

My jaw is officially on the floor. The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign; here’s a video report.

UPDATE at 9/28/08 9:31:28 am:

A statement from Missouri Governor Matt Blunt on the Obama campaign’s abusive use of Missouri law enforcement.

JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:17am

Free speech is only for the left.

2 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:20am

he has a problem with amendments, including the 2nd.

3 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:53am

The First Amendment never mattered to this fascist tool anyway.

4 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:14:57am

Typical totalitarian behavior.

These are the people Orwell warned us about.

5 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:17am

re: #2 lone_wolf_in_illinois

he has a problem with amendments, including the 2nd.

And as soon as he can, he'll get Congress to repeal them.

6 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:46am

re: #5 victor_yugo

And as soon as he can, he'll get Congress to repeal them.

Let's try to not let this happen!

7 goldentoadster  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:15:58am

We should trust the Ministry of Truth.

8 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:29am

re: #4 The Other Les

Typical totalitarian behavior.

These are the people Orwell warned us about.

We'll all be sent to Room 101.

9 gman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:46am

Will this be made into an SNL sketch?

10 Muadib  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:16:52am

Marxist thought police.

11 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:12am

quick question....with all the inconsistencies and flat out lies told by and for Obama, how can they tell who's lying "about" them? Everything in their campaign is true until it's not!

12 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:39am

Next thing you know they'll be going after salesmen.

/

13 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:17:49am

Gov. Matt Blunt responds.

“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

14 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:20am

...next thing you know they'll have to arrest themselves for misleading America about their candidate!

15 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:44am

Who are fascists now eh?

16 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:18:54am

I believe Typicalwhitey and realwest are all over this.

17 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:07am
The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign;

What, does Obama want to spend the rest of the campaign in jail?

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:09am

Obama is a fucking loser.
OT...Matt Bryant for my Buccaneers lost his 3 month old son this week. Add him into prayers tonight. :(

19 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:19am

The governor of Missouri had to come out and tell Obama and his Marxist goon squads to leave the 1st amendment alone.

Wow. just Wow.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment. This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights."

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

20 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:20am

BHO's Truthsqud = Brownshirts

There will be no sarc tag on this one.

21 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:25am

Show of hands. Anyone surprised by this? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

22 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:40am

re: #13 MandyManners

Charles - this deserves an update above.

23 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:46am

at least the real Messiah answered his critics.

24 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:55am

It is, of course, illegal for prosecutors to selectively enforce the law for political purposes.

25 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:19:59am

and he wants his own civilian military police force, 1984 anybody?

26 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:33am

re: #16 rightwinger3

I believe Typicalwhitey and realwest are all over this.

I guess I could have posted a link to the post.

27 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:38am

Good for Governor Blunt! He sees what the hell is going on, and is calling B-HO and his cronies on it in public!

Let's see exactly how far "prosecution" of someone goes, especially since the Governor can effectively overturn a "conviction" with a full pardon. Shit like that should NEVER be brought before a judge in the first place!

28 Mike McDaniel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:20:42am

Time for Obama and the Dems to be charged with Conspiracy to Violate Civil Rights. Perp-walk them into Leavenworth Penitentiary.

29 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:00am

Other examples of BHO's attempts to stifle speech:

Using the police.

Using minions.

Attempting to use the DoJ.

30 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:04am

Do it to Julia!

31 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:08am

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

32 kevinmumaw  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:11am

Is this a precursor to the Police state the left warns us about? Irony.

33 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:24am

Obama doesn't believe in the first 2 Amendments.

34 abolitionist  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:27am

In Pennsylvania too.

35 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #7 goldentoadster

We should trust the Ministry of Truth.

Obama and his hired hands are frightening. But we aren't supposed to consider his extreme left-wing up-brining.

36 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:44am

re: #20 lone_wolf_in_illinois

BHO's Truthsqud = Brownshirts

There will be no sarc tag on this one.


obama youth.

37 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:21:58am

re: #36 newsjunkie_ky

obama youth.

Shiver.

38 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:14am

And who, exactly, gets to determine what is "the truth" in these ads?

I suspect it will be The Democratic Ministry of Veracity, with a little help from The Department of All Republicans Are Racists.

39 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:15am

re: #25 pegcity

and he wants his own civilian military police force, 1984 anybody?

he knows the real military hates him and he doesnt trust it.
And they do. I know I have heard it.
My sweetie hates his fucking guts.

40 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:43am

No one has to be arrested before speech is silenced. It goes to the heart of prior restaint.

41 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:22:45am

B-HO's proposed "police force" would do a "1984"-style hammer down on ANY speech. Who needs a stinkin' Constitution, in B-HO land? The Jackasses have all but burned it, anyway!

42 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:07am

There's free speech and there's slander. Probably makes sense for him to try to confuse the two.

43 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:18am

goes to show that the left really just wants a tyrant but one on the left. They all remind me of S&M freaks why love to be smacked around.

44 West Coast Freedom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:25am

I posted in another thread, that my Democratic father in law, who has lived in Missouri all his life, has not even heard this yet! I printed everything out and mailed to him today. Slowly, but surely, I am showing him how his party has left him. It has been taken over by the far left Marxist Chicago thug squads. It is not the party of the old days anymore, and people better wake the f%#* up pretty soon.

45 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

re: #31 Killian Bundy

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

It's on a sign here. They misspelled Obama.

46 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:33am

re: #29 MandyManners

Other examples of BHO's attempts to stifle speech:

Using the police.

Using minions.

Attempting to use the DoJ.


Thanks for posting those. Will send to email list. Already sent the MO story.

47 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:38am

The NYT is all over the story/

48 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:42am

Oh wonderful -- does that mean CNN (given all their on-going, on-air lies) is going be taken off the air?

49 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:47am

Obama considers historical facts to be lies.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

50 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:23:50am

re: #39 Karagush

i think this happend somewhere else, something about people wearing brown shirts, uhmm

51 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:32am

re: #30 Karagush

Do it to Julia!

I don't get the reference.

52 sngnsgt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:36am
Ah, ah, ah, I'm not er um, er, elitist. I-i-i it's all ya'll white folk 'dats bigots.

/BHO

53 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:39am

re: #41 6pat6

B-HO's proposed "police force" would do a "1984"-style hammer down on ANY speech.

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

54 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:24:40am

Time to quote Queen Amidala..... "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

55 gregg  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:23am

If Obama is willing to take away your right to free speech even before he is elected president, what will he do to your right to bear arms once he is elected?

56 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:26am

It's so unAmerican, it's hard to believe, but

it is really happening.

Hate to challenge Godwin's Law, but sometimes the Nazi commparison fits.

Gestapobama.

57 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:25:46am

It is not just Missouri Charles. The Obama campaign is pulling the same tactics in Pennsylvania over the NRA. Somebody posted a link to the story on either the dead thread or the links up top this morning.

58 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #33 pat

Obama doesn't believe in the first 2 Amendments any of the Amendments which are inconvenient to him.

Better, and far more likely.

59 Glackinspeil  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:12am

This is not the 1st amendment that I knew.

60 Panhandler  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:44am

I listened carefully to see if there was any reference to the "Truth Squads" organizing rebuttals on their own time, pledging to debate statements on their merits (on their own time) or stating that Missourians were tired of unfair tactics by politicians in general. NADA The two interviewed fully implied that they and their cohorts would use the imprature of their official offices to go after those deemed to be fomenting dissent and confusion by airing/printing/blogging/saying things inimicable to the Obama campaign alone. (Nice touch - The two "Law Enforcement" individuals were filmed with an Obama logo appearing over their shoulder.)

61 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:44am
62 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:51am

re: #53 Edgar

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Err, how do you know? And what amount of imtimidation do you suggest is alright, versus to much? Edgar speak!

63 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #53 Edgar

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I don't.

64 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:24am

re: #16 rightwinger3 Thank you kindly, but it was Typicalwhitey - who lives in Missouri and was concerned about incurring the wrath of the Obamanaions but still persevered and sent this story to everyone who might be remotely involved or concerned: The FEC, the FBI, the US Justice Departmen, the Govenor, ALL of the congresscritters from Missouri (individually), and competitors of the TV station that ran this story, radio stations and US Attorney Steve Limbaugh (yeah, he's the cousin of Rush Limbaugh) the RNC and the McCain campaign committe.
I thought that Typicalwhitey did just an outstanding job in getting this word out.Now, apparently we need an LGFer willing to make the same kind of stink in Pennsylvania.

65 victor_yugo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #45 rightwinger3

It's on a sign here. They misspelled Obama.

They didn't misspell it. They simply referred to him by his faith.

66 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #27 6pat6

Good for Governor Blunt! He sees what the hell is going on, and is calling B-HO and his cronies on it in public!

Let's see exactly how far "prosecution" of someone goes, especially since the Governor can effectively overturn a "conviction" with a full pardon. Shit like that should NEVER be brought before a judge in the first place!

Except that even the attempt to prosecute something like this costs the person charged time, money, embarrassment, sometimes their job. Takes months or years. And chills everyone else.

67 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:27:57am

Y'know, I tried asking a moonbat relative what civil rights exactly were curtailed under the Bush Administration. I mean, since it's such a common and systematic abuse of power, I'm sure there's a whole laundry list of rights that have been chipped away. Got nor real answer....just a diatribe on 'social justice' and the like.

0bama hasn't even taken office and he's doing his level best to erode freedom of speech.

/I also disdain anyone who claims to have sole monopoly on 'truth', i.e. the 9/11 troofers. Should we start calling his Missouri enforcement branch the 'troof squad' yet?

68 Killian Bundy  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:05am

They're trying to intimidate the NRA too.

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/fortunately, the NRA is haveing none of it

69 shibumi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:28am

re: #48 J.S.

Oh wonderful -- does that mean CNN (given all their on-going, on-air lies) is going be taken off the air?

No, CNN is down with Teleprompter Jesus. Fox, Rush, all conservative talk radio, that's going. But not CNN, MSNBC or the NYT.

70 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:30am

Another reason most in the military can not stand B-HO is who he has as one of his military "advisors" - one retired AF General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, who is likely to be B-HOs first pick as his SecDef.

Believe me, you do NOT want to see this buffoon in that role! What he did to the AF in the '90s as the Air Force JCS rep is shameful, scandalous, and pure bullshit. He is the one that combined the commands SAC, TAC, MAC, etc, and did what is probably the worst thing to happen to the AF since its inception in 1947. He is a PC disaster.

Oh, but he gave the AF snazzy new uniforms, too "PUKE!" ...what a friggin' waste!

71 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #53 Edgar

I don't.

72 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:06am

re: #66 galloping granny

Except that even the attempt to prosecute something like this costs the person charged time, money, embarrassment, sometimes their job. Takes months or years. And chills everyone else.

Yep. As I noted above, this goes straight to the heart of prior restraint.

73 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:31am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Err, how do you know? And what amount of imtimidation do you suggest is alright, versus to much? Edgar speak!

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

74 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:41am

re: #70 6pat6

and don't forget a snazzy new logo.

75 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:50am

re: #31 Killian Bundy

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OBAMA!

/where have I heard that before?

I laughed when I first read that. But then I thought, oh crap! That is exactly the strategy Obama has been using all along. The parallels between Obama's tactics and Islam are frightening.

- Very much like a cult.
- Bully disbelievers.
- Willing to lie in order to achieve their goals.
- Accuse the opposition of the evils they themselves commit.

Or am I being racist?

76 Ruthless  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:29:51am

OK, here I step up on the soap box. It is remarkable that Obama stated several times during the first debate in Mississippi that al Qaeda is stronger than ever. He seemed determined to convince America that we are in great danger from that enemy, and repeatedly identified the location of the threat as being in Afghanistan. He mentioned Pakistan, and said that al Quada is in 60 nations, but he kept returning to Afghanistan as the locus of danger from al Qaeda and bin Laden. His purpose was apparently to "prove" that the war in Iraq was a mistake, that instead we should have done more in Afghanistan, and with the goal of capturing or killing a single man, bin Laden. He does not realize that bin Laden is only a symbol for a huge international movement with the goal of destroying America, and that the chosen battleground of that movement, as named by bin Laden himself, has been on the killing fields of Iraq. How could so many of us know that, and he does not?

Unlike in Vietnam our military has not released enemy body counts from Iraq, but as those of us who have paid attention know our troops have killed tens of thousands of terrorist jihadistrs who descended on Iraq from all over the world to make it the main battle line against America and the non-Muslim world. Operations in Iraq have been a proxy war between America and the worldwide Islamic effort to destroy western civilization and creat a worldwide Caliphate. It is in Iraq that our enemies set out to beat us, not Afghanistan. And should we invade Pakistan as Obama seems to favor, and kill bin Laden as he fantasizes that we should, we would only succeed in making bin Laden a martyr for the continued attacks on the West. It would be a victory for the enemy, not a defeat, and with the added effect of potentially launching us into a full scale conflict with Pakistan.

But Obama thinks that it was a mistake to stand up in Iraq to waves of mujahaddin in an epic battle against a worldwide movement that seeks to destroy America and overrun Europe? If that is what he thinks, then he is not only mistaken, he has fallen right out of his acorn tree (pun intended). Most Americans are unaware of the real story in Iraq, thanks to our flaky media's refusal to report anything but bad news, but surely Obama could take the time to learn the truth, no? Well, apparently not. Or if so, then the truth doesn't matter to him.

Here is a possible scenario, just my thoughts. Bear with me. As I see it, Obama is not a serious person. He is someone who thinks that life is a game. He decided to run for President of the United States more or less for a lark, having no idea that he could possibly be nominated, much less elected. Perhaps he thought that having a presidential run on his resume would help him get a cushy job as a university president or as the head of some lefty think tank. Having added election to the Senate to his list of achievements, he must have asked himself what interesting thing to do next. And he decided, hey! I shall run for President! So he did — and, to his own great surprise he was swept on an irrational tide of fortune to become the Democratic nominee, something he neither foresaw or expected. As it sometimes does the fickle finger of fate reached out and touched Obama. Ooops!

— continued

77 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:01am

"Shut up!", Obama explained.

78 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:03am

What members of law enforcement are getting involved?

So the taxpayers are funding the retort function of Obama's campaign?

"Two high profile prosecutors will be reminding voters, that Barak Obama is a chrisitan, who wants to cut taxes"....

What the fuck is this?

I with you Charles, my jaw is on the floor.

Good lord, are really at this point?

79 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:06am

re: #66 galloping granny

Exactly. It's the time and amount of money used up in one's own defense (it doens't matter that everyone may already know the outcome). This is how the Human "Rights" Tribunals are misused here in Canada -- doesn't even matter if a defendant ultimately "wins" -- it's still a loss...

80 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:15am

re: #68 Killian Bundy

They're trying to intimidate the NRA too.

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/fortunately, the NRA is haveing none of it

That reminds me - I need to renew my membership.

81 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:36am

I find it ironic that moonbats have been screaming about their rights being violated under the Bush "regime" yet something like this comes about and it's fair game because it is to the benefit of The One.

82 Ruthless  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:43am

PART TWO

To return to his insistence that bin Laden "in Afghanistan" is still a credible threat to the US, even though The Sheik has been hiding in a cave in some undisclosed location for the better part of a decade, this offers a sure clue that Obama has no idea what is going on in the world or what to do about it. And, if it is true that al Qaeda has regained its strength and threatens the US anew as he repeatedly told us in the Friday debate, exactly how does that qualify Obama to be Commander in Chief? If our nation is faced with foreign military threats, that seems like a sure call for the steady hand of McCain in the White House, not an unproven empty suit. So why would he make that point, and make it so vigorously?

Could it be … could it just possibly be…that Obama wants to lose? That all this stuff is so far above his pay grade that he is scared out of his socks and he wants to coast to an honorable defeat in November? If that is his purpose it could help explain some of his actions, and it must scare him even more to see that his polling numbers continue to remain aloft even after he has committed one faux pas after another. In this scenario, all his blatant efforts to fail have been ignored by his deluded followers and painted over by a remarkably disconnected and increasingly irrelevant media. How disturbing that must be to him. Obama is far past the point of no return and there is no way out except to honorably lose the election. And yet, and yet ... the polls keep saying he might actually win.

In that position, what would a person of honor do? We cannot answer that question, because no honorable, or even rational person would ever allow him- or herself to get into such a position in the first place. Obama surely cannot at this late date admit to the American people that he is a sham and a fraud, cannot step aside in favor of Hillary perhaps, or simply bail out and leave Joe Biden to finish the campaign without him. He can do none of those things, not now. It's too late by far. All he can do is "hope" to lose.

Should my suppositions be even remotely correct, then Obama NEEDS to lose for his own sake, much less for the sake of our nation. Let us all do everything we can to contribute to his success … his success in failing to win in November. Obama's best hope, and America's, is McCain/Palin 2008-2016. Palin/? 2016-2024. And I relinquish the soap box. Who's next? -- Ruthless

83 jonathan1984  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:53am

re: #73 Edgar

I'm not from the US, but I do not want to see that kind of thuggery spread one bit anywhere. Period. ANY intimidation is unacceptable.

84 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:30:58am

Things are getting very f**king weird.

85 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:00am

re: #78 formercorpsman

What members of law enforcement are getting involved?

So the taxpayers are funding the retort function of Obama's campaign?

"Two high profile prosecutors will be reminding voters, that Barak Obama is a chrisitan, who wants to cut taxes"....

What the fuck is this?

I with you Charles, my jaw is on the floor.

Good lord, are really at this point?


And a SHERIFF.

86 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #54 doriangrey

Time to quote Queen Amidala..... "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

Pardon me for repeating myself...

Of course, apart from a National Socialist rally at Nuremberg, you can't beat a Soviet Communist Party congress for thunderous applause. Especially back in Comrade Stalin's day.

There will of course be thunderous applause when Comrade Hillary Obama receives the nomination at the next Democratic National Convention. And I don't doubt that there will be thunderous applause should Comrade Hillary Obama actually be elected.

And I simply can't imagine there not being thunderous applause when the long knives finally come out and the opponents of socialism, such as Mark (Urbin) and myself, are lined up along a ditch and shot.

But what do I know? I only read history as it actually happened.
_

87 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #64 realwest

Roger that, me too. She did excellent getting all those emails and faxes into hands that could do something.

88 Glackinspeil  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:06am

They didn't teach the US Constitution at Harvard Law.
or
They did teach it but Comrade Barry was busy with Marx
or
Brother Barack was too busy learning into sharia
or
The messiah was at the temple schooling the Rabbis

89 gman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:11am
The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign

This just in from the Central Committee of the Grand Party of Obama

"Change We Can Believe In" is now a crimethought

The new goodthink motto is:
"Change You Better Believe In"

90 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:15am

re: #73 Edgar

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

More Gamey Troll buttocks.........................

91 fmfnavydoc  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:16am

Free speech for me, but not for thee

Mantra of the moonbat/socialist nation...

Obama's Commandment's

#1 - Thou shall not blaspheme me, even if it's the truth
#2 - Thou shall not ask about my past
#3 - Thou shall not ask about my associates
#4 - Thou shall not deprive my friends of money or other ill gotten booty
#5 - Thou shall not deny me of higher office - I will lie, cheat and steal to get it
#6 - Thou will do everything to destroy my opponents, to the extent of fabrication of lies.

It is Written, It is to be done

92 x-wing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:16am

re: #34 abolitionist

In Pennsylvania too.

I'm from Pa. Haven't heard anything on this. Ya gotta link?

93 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:23am

This has been many years in the making. Leftist media have been redefining free speech for two generations; making it an article of faith, for instance, that criticism of or disagreement with a leftist celebrity is an abridgment of the celebrity's rights. Leftist speech codes, defining political opposition and legitimate discourse as "hate speech," have similarly come to be taken for granted in the business and academic worlds. What could more natural, then, for the media faithful to accept that telling "lies" about a leftist candidate is racist and illegal?

These Mizzou sheriffs and prosecutors are elected officials, probably owing their positions to ACORN ballot-stuffing and other fascist tactics, but they are accountable nevertheless. If they attempt to use their positions to prosecute, threaten, or harrass anyone who publishes material with which they disagree, they should be arrested by federal marshals and prosecuted for civil rights violations.
Similarly, the ACORN organization is a criminal conspiracy to violate election laws and should be prosecuted under the RICO statutes.

94 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:31:50am

re: #83 jonathan1984

I'm not from the US, but I do not want to see that kind of thuggery spread one bit anywhere. Period. ANY intimidation is unacceptable.

Yeah, but immediately comparing a mild level of intimidation to the gestapo/Big Brother is not going to help free speech flourish.

95 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:00am

re: #73 Edgar

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

Notice, I said "1984"-style jammer, not that we would HAVE "1984".

Learn to read better, thanks.

96 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:04am

If I were advising the McCain campaign I'd use that very clip in an ad.

97 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:07am

re: #38 zombie
What's so "funny" is that one of the DA's or Sheriff's in Missouri said on the Videotape (on the Videotape!) that they were acting at the request of the Obama campaign to not allow people to tell lies about Obama such as "he's going to raise taxes on those making less than $250,000 a year" when in point of fact, by allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to lapse, that is exactly what Obama is going to do.
These "truth squads" are bad enough, but they don't even know the truth.
And I still want to know why the DA's and Sheriffs in Misssouri haven't been suspended from their duties pending an investigation into their voter intimidation tactics.

98 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:14am

re: #32 kevinmumaw

Is this a precursor to the Police state the left warns us about? Irony.

Well the left does always accuse the right of using their tactics.

99 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:19am

re: #65 victor_yugo

They didn't misspell it. They simply referred to him by his faith.

He's at one with the ummah.

100 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:36am

re: #74 pegcity

Actually, the snazzy new logo came later.

101 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:38am

My, lizards are exercised this morning. Are we trying to hit 6 million today?

102 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:47am

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info

103 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:57am

I mentioned "Out of the Night" by Jan Valtin (Richard Julius Herman Krebs) yesterday.

It's in re-print.

Read how the Comintern operated in the Weimar Republic. Compare that to today.

At a gut level, I'm now 80% certain that an "Alinsky Machine" (to try to coin a phrase here) exists ... as an organization.

104 Pastorius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:58am

Blunt is, dare I say it, blunt.

Excuse me, while I go light up a ...

105 kynna  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:32:58am

Glenn Reynolds is linking to tons of information about this madness. Watch him get served for being a conduit.

People need to know about this and understand it. This is a very scary issue. The press is so in the tank they'll just let it go, not even recognizing that it should be a warning to them as well.

106 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:11am

re: #76 Ruthless

i think obama was tapped along time ago by soros and his ilk for this manchurian adventure.

no one just goes from a nobody with no experience to potential frontrunner.

this is like a bad tom clancy novel

107 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:13am

re: #53 Edgar

Er... I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Er...a lot of people in the 30s thought that way.

108 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:17am

re: #97 realwest

{real} sorry I fell off that last thread.....my mom called me and you know how that goes. :)

My step-father is out of ICU!

109 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:22am

re: #47 pat
Do you have a link (that doesn't require registration)?

110 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:23am

re: #95 6pat6

Notice, I said "1984"-style jammer, not that we would HAVE "1984".

Learn to read better, thanks.

By that yardstick, ANY controls on free speech are "1984-style."

111 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:25am

re: #68 Killian Bundy

They're trying to intimidate the NRA too.

Hunter - Obama TV ad

Obama's response? Suppress it!

The NRA's response?

New NRA Ad - Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama

/fortunately, the NRA is haveing none of it

Gunbanobama.com.

112 jonathan1984  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:44am

re: #105 kynna

Glenn Reynolds is linking to tons of information about this madness. Watch him get served for being a conduit.

Suing a law prof? That would be entertaining.

113 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:50am

re: #85 loppyd

Seriously, what next?

The Obama youth?

This is surreal.

114 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:33:52am

re: #69 shibumi

I would say, however, that this sort of hideous overreaching (abusing one's powers) does have a way of biting back...(typically these things come back -- and they'll find themselves "hoisted by their own petard." it'll blow up in their faces...hopefully)

115 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:12am

re: #108 loppyd

{real} sorry I fell off that last thread.....my mom called me and you know how that goes. :)

My step-father is out of ICU!

This is good news! :D

116 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:18am

re: #107 Catttt

Er...a lot of people in the 30s thought that way.

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

117 zenren  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:33am

TypicalWhitey, thank you for your actions. I have emailed the Gateway Pundit link to every person I know and have encouraged them to do the same. We cannot count on the MSM to do the right thing and investigate this. We must get the word out. There is a pattern of intimidation going on here that SHOULD be of concern to every American. It's time to stand up.

118 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:40am

"The man on horseback, ascending triumphantly to office on the steps of constitutional process, demands and threatens the parliament into the delegation of its sacred power. Then follows consolidation of authority through powerful propaganda in the pay of the state to transform the mentality of the people. Resentment of criticism, denunciation of all opposition, moral terrorization, all follow in sequence. The last scene is the suppression of freedom. Liberty dies of the water from her own well- free speech- poisoned by untruth." Herbert Hoover The Challenge to Liberty

119 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:50am

Liberal tolerance on parade

120 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:52am

re: #73 Edgar

I predict the level of intimidation will not reach that of "Big Brother" in 1984.

Just a moderate level of intimidation. I feel better. //

121 Karagush  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #51 The Other Les

I don't get the reference.

that what he said when they started to put the cage of rats on his face in room 101. Its the moment in 1984 when the hero breaks, and gives up his lover.

122 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:57am

re: #104 Pastorius

Blunt is, dare I say it, blunt.

Excuse me, while I go light up a ...

lol!

123 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:34:59am

Official song of the Obama Truth Gestapo Squad:

124 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:21am
125 shibumi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #75 Racer X

I laughed when I first read that. But then I thought, oh crap! That is exactly the strategy Obama has been using all along. The parallels between Obama's tactics and Islam are frightening.

- Very much like a cult.
- Bully disbelievers.
- Willing to lie in order to achieve their goals.
- Accuse the opposition of the evils they themselves commit.

Or am I being racist?

In a word:

NO.

126 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #102 Tigger2005

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info


Link with video please, Moby.

127 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:34am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

He has already started, Edgar. I'm no alamist, and neither is Charles, but all we have to do is look at what the man actually is doing.

128 Racer X  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:35:43am

re: #89 gman

"Change You Better Believe In"


Rotating title nomination.

129 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:10am

re: #113 formercorpsman

i think they are probably already in the planning stages, i've seen tons of pictures of kids dressed up in full obama gear.

this is a personality cult pure and simple, this will end in disaster.

But it fits the leftists mental state, anything that takes responisbility for ones actions away from the inidividual is aok with them, thinking is not their bag.

130 Globular Cluster  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:15am

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

131 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:15am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?


He doesn't have to...Bush already has.....right?

132 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:16am

re: #110 Edgar

By that yardstick, ANY controls on free speech are "1984-style."

That's right. Why should there be any controls on free speech? If there are controls it's NOT free speech.

133 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:20am

re: #16 rightwinger3

I believe Typicalwhitey and realwest are all over this.


Just faxed this to the Legal dept of the RNC, the media department and emailed the chairman of the RNC.
Along with my letter

134 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #124 FrogMarch

Should Obama go to jail for lying about Kissinger?

/that was mississippi, this new rule only applies in mo, jeez

135 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:37am

re: #102 Tigger2005

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info

No.

136 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:44am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

No, the empirical evidence makes it a foregone conclusion.

137 gman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:46am

re: #120 kansas

Just a moderate level of intimidation. I feel better. //

Yeah, you get a full body massage before going to Room 101. Count me in.

138 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:49am

re: #113 formercorpsman

Seriously, what next?

The Obama youth?

This is surreal.

It is bizarro world. Barry using the very same tactics that were used against those leading the Civil Rights Movement.

139 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #66 galloping granny
Wow

Except that even the attempt to prosecute something like this costs the person charged time, money, embarrassment, sometimes their job. Takes months or years. And chills everyone else.

absolutely Spot On. This will have a chilling effect on debate about Obama/McCain in Missouri - unless someone acts on Typicalwhitey's communications.

140 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #134 phoenixgirl

/that was mississippi, this new rule only applies in mo, jeez

are you not hip to "change"

141 MichaelAsher  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:13am
142 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #115 Catttt

Thanks - yes it is!

143 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:36am

re: #110 Edgar

By that yardstick, ANY controls on free speech are "1984-style."

Maybe NOW you get it!

144 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:37am

re: #127 Catttt

He has already started, Edgar. I'm no alamist, and neither is Charles, but all we have to do is look at what the man actually is doing.

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

145 Orbit Rain  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:37:50am

"Free speech for me, but not for thee"

So will Obama target the alphabet networks for *their* lies? Can we jail Obama for *his* lies? If the Missouri is fair game, then MSM is fair game...EVERYONE is fair game...which really, if you want to break it down means a *real* civil war will break out, and you know the way these things go...a lot of people get shot for trying to enslave other people.

146 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:05am

re: #129 pegcity

Obama gear?

You mean t-shirts, buttons, etc.

That kind of circle-jerk bullshit doesn't bother me.

Read Shiplord's post from above. He hits it dead on center.

147 opnion  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:10am

Behold, the Maxist Beast slinks from the closet.
vote.! Get everyone you can to vote against this guy.

148 littleoldlady  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:11am

From NRA's website:

Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF).

The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running.

This is a copy [warning, pdf file] of the cease and desist document sent by the Obama camp. They are citing "Truth in Advertising" laws as operative in a political campaign!?

OY.

149 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:13am

re: #68 Killian Bundy
Thanks for that information, Killian.

150 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:18am

re: #121 Karagush

that what he said when they started to put the cage of rats on his face in room 101. Its the moment in 1984 when the hero breaks, and gives up his lover.

((karagush)) morning cuttie pie....

151 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:18am

re: #130 Globular Cluster

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

Because WE are a battleground state.
ANd he probably is doing it more but those in other states are not stupid enough to go on camera and SAY IT

I emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC last night.
Sent this to various tv stations and newspapers.
To all four of the McCain offices etc.

152 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:20am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

Probably not dude, but why are you here defending this when they have videotaped evidence of the tactics being used by the Obama campaign?

153 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:48am

re: #133 Typicalwhitey

Just faxed this to the Legal dept of the RNC, the media department and emailed the chairman of the RNC.
Along with my letter

Awesome. Great job.

154 Diamond Bullet  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:38:59am

Like a rejected Onion headline:

"Cokehead Marxist Demands Police Intervention, More Waffles"

155 jwb7605  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:01am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

I keep thinking back to Obama's campaign speech regarding "a trained militia". People kept correcting me here that he didn't mean "armed militia". The press (including Fox news) have been saying that he didn't mean an armed militia.

OK. Fine.
Will somebody explain the difference in end result between "an armed militia" and the militia of press and elected officials he and his team are attempting to assemble?

156 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:05am

re: #102 Tigger2005

I've heard that the McCain campaign supposedly has prosecutors in a couple of states who have said they would go after Obama ads that make false statements about McCain. Any truth to that rumor?
/Not being a Moby here, just seeking more info

I highly doubt that.

157 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:12am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

If he would quit with the Nazi tactics it might help. Why don't you write him and have him stop with the prosecutor shit?

158 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #80 Catttt

That reminds me - I need to renew my membership.

Lifetime member here *grin*

159 Fritz_Katz  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:28am

Alien and Sedition Acts was signed into law by President John Adams. (If you haven't seen the HBO special -- it's out on DVD -- highly recommended).

Maybe it's not such a bad idea.... as long as it's only used against moonbats, commies, socialists, and liberals. /sarc

160 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:31am

re: #130 Globular Cluster

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

They don't have the puppets they need in other states?

161 formercorpsman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:38am

Rome is burning.

162 Clio  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:54am

re: #70 6pat6

Another reason most in the military can not stand B-HO is who he has as one of his military "advisors" - one retired AF General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, who is likely to be B-HOs first pick as his SecDef.

Believe me, you do NOT want to see this buffoon in that role! What he did to the AF in the '90s as the Air Force JCS rep is shameful, scandalous, and pure bullshit. He is the one that combined the commands SAC, TAC, MAC, etc, and did what is probably the worst thing to happen to the AF since its inception in 1947. He is a PC disaster.

Oh, but he gave the AF snazzy new uniforms, too "PUKE!" ...what a friggin' waste!

McPeak is even worse than you know. I once had the displeasure of working in the same organization with him for a year. Until I enountered him, I had thought that "Catch-22" was fiction.

But he goes beyond merely kooky -- he is a throughly nasty specimen.
He and Obama are a match made in hell.

163 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:57am

re: #126 kansas

Link with video please, Moby.

OK kansas, you know I'm not a Moby ... it was in one of the articles someone posted in the links, but I'm not able to find it right now, still searching.

164 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:39:58am

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]
Backlash to Obama officials squelching political speech

165 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:13am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

Just watch what the guy is already doing! Listen to his words! Know his associates! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out!

Maybe you are just a BHO troll.

166 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:27am

re: #96 loppyd

Heh...how many law-enforcement backed 'truth squads' do you think the McCain camp has working for them right now?

167 Octohedron[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:34am
168 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #130 Globular Cluster

Why doesn't the Obama campaign do this nationally? Why just Missouri?

I think the polls in Missouri are close.

169 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:41:29am

re: #78 formercorpsman
We are indeed at this point my friend. Please forgive my repost from the Duck thread:
Posted in: The Duck of Death

#14 realwest 9/27/2008 9:07:19 pm PDT

Hey all y'all - gee I thought Charles was never gonna put up a new thread!
Anyway, I wanted to say a special thanks to LGFer Typicalwhitey who dared to face down the lion.
First please listen to this video (ya gotta go through a 15 second commercial) [Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Then y'all should know that Typicalwhitey had the brass to send this to: three other TV Stations, radio stations, the McCain Campaign Headquarters, her Governor and her Senators and Congresscritters.
It's apparently now on Drudge and I have had the distinct privilege of making some suggestions to Typicalwhitey about these District Attorneys and Sheriff's offices who are going to act as Obama Truth Squads. The Governor of Missouri, about 4 hours or so after Typicalwhitey sent the above video link to his office, issued a STRONG statement condemning this activity. I'm hoping that the FBI and/or the FEC to whom Typicalwhitey also wrote, will be investigating and perhaps suspending those D.A.'s and Sheriff's from their jobs.
HURRAY FOR TYPICALWHITEY!

170 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

Are you fucking kidding me Edgar?
He has come into MY state and is using OUR law enforcement to DECIDE what is "misleading" and what it NOT. AND THEY ARE DOING THIS ONLY FOR OBAMA>NOT for McCain!
My nephew DIED fighting for freedom and I will be DAMNED IF I ALLOW NAZI THUGS to stop a fair election in MY STATE.

171 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:01am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

Perhaps because he is using Nazi tactics? What do you want me to compare it with, Little Bo Peep?

172 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:07am

testing new e-mail

173 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:14am

re: #167 Octohedron

This is off topic, but it's excellent stuff...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Email it to someone you know.

174 Mad Mullah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:55am

This is hardly surprising. The left has always coddled terrorists, dictators and other forms for human scum. The left has never believed in free speech or rights, unless you are a terrorist, pedophile or murderer of course. Leftist brownshirts routinely attempt to shout down those who they disagree with, be it at a live event featuring a conservative speaker, or on the internet.

In accordance with this leftist, fascist ploy coming from a failed community worker and his thuggish comrades, I believe that Obama should be reported to the authorities in Missouri, because virtually everytime he opens his mouth, he tells more untruths, distortions and outright lies.

175 NR Pax  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:42:56am

Now waiting for the defense of "But Republicans do this too!" or a similar justification over this.

176 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:09am

Where is the ACLU on this?

/never mind..

177 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:24am

re: #162 Clio

Damn, sorry to hear that! He is probably the most despised AF General that I am aware of. Talk about someone with a serious narcissism problem!

178 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #45 rightwinger3

It's on a sign here. They misspelled Obama.

Here's the correctly spelled version.

179 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:53am

Arrr! Afternoon mates! Hats off to Typical Whitey for his work getting the issue out in the open on the conservative blogs! A true patriot in every sense of the word! Did anyone who saw this video notice the idiocy of the reporter for refusing to ask some very basic questions to the DA's concerning first amendment rights of free speech, or that the Obama "truth squad" legal intimidation might have a chilling effect on free and open debate. If the McCain campaign was doing this same action with republican DA's and Sheriffs this would be top news and the media justifiably ripping McCain a new one. But we only hear nothing but suppressed information from the MSM. I truly despise or our "elite" MSM and the political bias of what passes as journalism nowadays. We saw all this in 2004, and its even worse this election cycle. HAAAAR! Hangem' in the highest yardarm and leavem' up for a week!

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:43:59am

re: #159 Fritz_Katz

as long as it's only used against ...

THAT'S the kicker, and why the Alien & Sedition Laws should not be brought back. When you say "only", you're forced to necessarily begin to trust in the rule of men, not laws.

181 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:08am

re: #102 Tigger2005
Well I've never heard that (for what little that's worth) but if they did, at least they had the smarts not to say it ON VIDEOTAPE TO A TV NEWSCREW!

182 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:08am

More fascist tactics from the Obama brownshirts carried out in the name of The One. But this is no surprise. From flooding calls to media outlets interviewing Stanley Kurtz and David Freddoso to threatening the suspension of broadcast licenses. Barry's shock troops, and an Obama Justice Department, will shred civil liberties and perceived political "enemies" on a scale never seen before in this country. And he wants us to pay for his brownshirts should he take office. Saith the Obamessiah:

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.
183 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:12am

Yet liberals lying is ok?

184 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #164 pat

Gov. Matt Blunt today likened the intimidation to "police state tactics."


"St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign," said Blunt in a statement released today. "What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment."

A United States Senator endorsing police state tactics to silence free speech. Hang on to your hats, kids. This is going to be a long and wild ride.

185 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:24am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

A "happy, smiley faced" police state.

186 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #176 rightymouse

Where is the ACLU on this?

/never mind..

They will be getting their letters MONDAY.
Sent it to both offices in Missouri

187 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:05am

re: #108 loppyd
OH {loppyd} I'm SO GLAD to hear that great news!
Thank you!

188 SouthAmericanWay  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:07am

I am not shocked at all.

However, if this does not make YOU try to do all you can to help elect John McCain, I don't know what will. A radical Socialist in the presidency, a Democratic House, a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate - curtailing all the main liberties of American citizens.

As I have written repeatedly, a McCain-Hillary election would not mean much. But the fact that this radical is candidate has turned this election in the most important since 1980: it is either McCain or the end of America as we know it.

189 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:09am

THANK YOU, TYPICALWHITEY!

190 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:24am

Hoffnung heil!

191 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:32am

re: #163 Tigger2005

OK kansas, you know I'm not a Moby ... it was in one of the articles someone posted in the links, but I'm not able to find it right now, still searching.


Yeah, I know. I was tweaking you. But if McCain is doing it, you would hear the Demmie's whine. Plus McCain would stop them if he found out. Teleprompter Jesus, on the other hand, will not.

192 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #178 shiplord kirel

Here's the correctly spelled version.

Excellent. I googled but didn't see it. LOL.

193 freeus  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:45:42am

If the McCain people do not get out in front of this stuff and expose it, we are toast! I cannot understand why, when they were hitting him so hard, why now are they appearing to be back on their heels. This type of stuff is WHO Obama is and what we all saw coming from him in the very beginning.

It is time for the McCain people to take this to the mattresses! This is a political fight to the death with Obama. He asked us to fight with him, but he has got to fight back himself. I think he was good the other night and I expect him to really hit Obama with this bill in the next debates, but we need some hard hitting ads out here naming names with this kind of action from the Obama camp.

re: #84 Catttt

Things are getting very f**king weird.

Speaking of weird and how things are getting rathe scary, did anyone here notice THE ONE saying Imajerk may not be the most powerful leader in Iran to be dealing with? In other words, he seemed, to me, to be saying that perhaps Imajerk is not the one he would sit down with, but instead the Imams, (the religious zealot fruitcakes), who are behind Imajerk. I am not saying he is a Muslim, but placing things in that terminology and in that frame of reference gave me the willys.

194 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:01am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

I'm considering turning my dinger back on just to ding you down.

195 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:07am

re: #151 Typicalwhitey

Because WE are a battleground state.
ANd he probably is doing it more but those in other states are not stupid enough to go on camera and SAY IT

I emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC last night.
Sent this to various tv stations and newspapers.
To all four of the McCain offices etc.

You are my hero TW, thanks!

196 mama winger  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:42am

OT -

would everyone please go back to the Obama Bracelet thread and ding up post number 214? From a Gold Star LGF mother......

Let it be known.


thanks

197 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:45am

re: #183 wiffersnapper

Yet liberals lying is ok?


Liberal lying is redundant.

198 FlakMusic  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:46:53am

"We are the jack-booted thugs we've been waiting for."

199 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:00am

re: #4 The Other Les

Typical totalitarian behavior.

These are the people Orwell warned us about.

Ebonics meets Newspeak.

Big Brotha be watchin' you, you doubleplusungood cracka!

200 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:04am

re: #144 Edgar

Fine. But if we're going against Obama, why not do so in a reasonable way (i.e. without comparing his policies to Nazi Germany's)?

How is this policy different? How is it different than those used in the South during the Civil Rights movement?

201 Nutmeg  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:18am

re: #105 kynna

Glenn Reynolds is linking to tons of information about this madness. Watch him get served for being a conduit.

I would LOVE to see somebody serve the Instapundit on this matter. It would probably be their last sentient act...

202 rollingdivision  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:18am

Democrats are the US Bolsheviks and socialism in total is their goal. The leftist Democrats are all for eliminating economic freedom through economic socialism with all it's evils. Why would anyone think they would want to preserve political or other freedoms? Once the mob has momentum there will be no stopping them. So, look for government regulation of the media, person speech and politics.

203 West Coast Freedom  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:19am

re: #123 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

Official song of the Obama Truth Gestapo Squad:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That is freaky - they all look like Hitlers with the nose shadow thing going on!

204 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:24am

re: #163 Tigger2005

OK kansas, you know I'm not a Moby ... it was in one of the articles someone posted in the links, but I'm not able to find it right now, still searching.

Ah, I still had the link open in my browser. It's an article in the Springfield News-Leader:

[Link: www.news-leader.com...]

The relevant quote:

But a review of McCain’s own truth squads shows he has a district attorney from New Mexico and the South Carolina attorney general ready to respond to misleading ads from Obama and Democrats in their respective states.

Now this from the same article is funny:

Democrats maintain the GOP has twisted the context of a news report to manufacture this controversy.

I think the St. Louis prosecutors made their intentions pretty clear in the news report.

205 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:47:53am

re: #186 Typicalwhitey

They will be getting their letters MONDAY.
Sent it to both offices in Missouri


Who will be getting letters and from whom?

206 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:02am

re: #194 MandyManners

I'm considering turning my dinger back on just to ding you down.

Why did you turn it off?

207 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:03am

re: #13 MandyManners

This link seems to be more popular than the 3 (the same) you posted last night on the duck thread. You always seem to be one step ahead of us.

re: #24 MandyManners

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #43 MandyManners

208 Octohedron[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:04am
209 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:05am

re: #187 realwest

No, thank you for the prayers.

210 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:10am

re: #130 Globular Cluster
Well as galloping granny linked to upthread, as did Killian Bundy upthread, they've also tried this shit in Pennsylvania - and who the hell else knows where?
In Missouri the dumb s.o.b.'s said it on video tape FOR a TV newscrew - that and Typicalwhitey's continuous attacks on them are why we're talking so much about Missouri!

211 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:13am

re: #19 FrogMarch

The governor of Missouri had to come out and tell Obama and his Marxist goon squads to leave the 1st amendment alone.

Wow. just Wow.


[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

I second your wow, and raise you two "holy *'s!"

Somebody send this link to Matt over at Drudge. This is front-page worthy.

If you have an email circle, blog or website lizards... push this today, and push it hard.

The MSM is going to look the other way on this, and refuse to report it.
Don't let them get away with it.

212 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:17am

re: #61 MandyManners

He couldn't stop Stanley Kurtz using the FOIA.

this is disgusting...

The day after he blocked my access to the CAC records, Rolling wrote an early morning letter to Ayers’s CAC co-founders, directing them to a New York Times reporter he believed to be friendly. Rolling’s message included what appear to be subtle instructions on how to handle the matter of Obama’s choice to be head of CAC. This suggests that Rolling was trying to preemptively shape the public story of Obama, Ayers, and CAC, before I or others could investigate the issue.
213 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:26am

re: #21 Wyatt Earp

Show of hands. Anyone surprised by this? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

I want to be surprised.

I wish I were surprised.

214 HillJack  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:48:36am

Huh, Liberals have always lead to believe that Big Brother was a Republican. Oops, guess they were wrong.

215 bbuddha  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:19am

re: #94 Edgar

using law enforcement to chill opposition isn't mild by any stretch of the imagination. Really, are you just stirring the pot

216 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:30am

re: #193 freeus

Virtually everyone who's Muslim, figure Obama is a Muslim...(regardless of how much The Zero denies it...)

217 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:34am

re: #195 Wishing

You are my hero TW, thanks!


Thank real west too.....he has been my inspiration in all this and he has gone out of his way to encourage me.

I met Senator McCain at a Town Hall here, I gave him a picture of my nephew. He also could have shown that during the debate but he doesn't because he doesn't want to exploit his death.

I will not allow my nephews death for freedom to be trampled on by some Chicago hack.

I.WILL.NOT!

218 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:49:52am

re: #206 Sharmuta

Why did you turn it off?

It slows down everything for me.

219 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:30am

re: #207 twincitiesgirl

This link seems to be more popular than the 3 (the same) you posted last night on the duck thread. You always seem to be one step ahead of us.

re: #24 MandyManners

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #43 MandyManners

Fucking with the First Amendment really angers me.

220 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:36am

I think we should also be seriously concerned about the Ohio Secretary of State.

The McCain campaign is suing her over the absentee ballot issue.

221 Wishing  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:43am

re: #182 Blackacre

Kristalnacht...

222 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:53am

re: #205 rightymouse

Who will be getting letters and from whom?

From me to the ACLU

223 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:50:55am

re: #116 Edgar

Ok, but are you seriously suggesting Obama wants to turn America into a police state?

Yes.

That's what Marxists do.

224 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:02am

re: #219 MandyManners

hadn't noticed/

225 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:29am

re: #172 FrogMarch

testing new e-mail

Did it work?

226 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:33am

re: #218 MandyManners

It slows down everything for me.

I think it's the ads, not the ratings that bog down page loading time.

227 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #82 Ruthless

re: #76 Ruthless

Two excellent posts - and your point about Obama hoping to lose is well worth pondering.
He may in fact feel that he's totally out of his depth - but lets not forget that he's been out into this position by very powerful people who have been keeping in the shadows, and who are more than willing to use B0 and thus the POTUS as their sock puppet ...

It must not be allowed to happen!

228 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:52:35am

re: #121 Karagush

that what he said when they started to put the cage of rats on his face in room 101. Its the moment in 1984 when the hero breaks, and gives up his lover.

I only read it once.

229 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:52:35am

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

230 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:08am

Obama's "god state" vision of what this country should be is not a secret. He proclaims it rather boldly.

231 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #183 wiffersnapper

Yet liberals lying is ok?

Liberals never lie, don't you know that? They are simply trying to rid us of mental negativity that could be harmful to our culture, and are attempting to inculcate patterns of correct thought.

232 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:24am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

I believe it IS happening in other states.

Its just that the morons in Missouri were willing to go ON CAMERA and SAY IT!

233 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:38am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

St Louis and the voters in it.

234 Catttt  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:39am

re: #227 yma o hyd

re: #76 Ruthless

Two excellent posts - and your point about Obama hoping to lose is well worth pondering.
He may in fact feel that he's totally out of his depth - but lets not forget that he's been out into this position by very powerful people who have been keeping in the shadows, and who are more than willing to use B0 and thus the POTUS as their sock puppet ...

It must not be allowed to happen!

He'd be the uber sock puppet of all time.

235 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:45am

re: #51 The Other Les

I don't get the reference.

1984, where the thought police have finally broken Winston Smith.

236 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:47am

re: #220 arethusa

I think we should also be seriously concerned about the Ohio Secretary of State.

The McCain campaign is suing her over the absentee ballot issue.

She's an idiot and fortunately, her attempt to suppress absentee ballots sent to people by McCain has been on the news and I have confidence that she'll lose the battle. What she's doing is totally against the law.

237 right_on_target  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:53:56am

re: #70 6pat6

Another reason most in the military can not stand B-HO is who he has as one of his military "advisors" - one retired AF General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, who is likely to be B-HOs first pick as his SecDef.

Believe me, you do NOT want to see this buffoon in that role! What he did to the AF in the '90s as the Air Force JCS rep is shameful, scandalous, and pure bullshit. He is the one that combined the commands SAC, TAC, MAC, etc, and did what is probably the worst thing to happen to the AF since its inception in 1947. He is a PC disaster.

Oh, but he gave the AF snazzy new uniforms, too "PUKE!" ...what a friggin' waste!

____________________
I wonder if he'll have the new Obama SA unforms designed with nice epaulettes.

238 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:04am

re: #219 MandyManners

As it should everyone--it sent chills up and down my spine. Just imagine what he would do as POTUS.

239 Opinionated  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:14am

Law professor Barak Obama sees this as a simple patent case.

He and the Democrats hold the patent on lying and they want no competition on their specialty.

240 mama winger  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:18am

Some gave all

{mom2esf}

241 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:18am

File this under "who the hell asked you and why the hell should we care"

Brazil's Lula calls US bailout plan unfair to poor

"They want to help the banks and not help the poor," Lula said late on Saturday in Sao Paulo during a campaign rally ahead of Oct. 5 municipal elections.

"Why give $700 billion to the banks and no money to the poor guys who lost their houses," Lula asked, according to local media. He referred to the troubled U.S. housing market.

Of course he doesn't like it. It doesn't give a free pass to the millions of illegal immigrants from Brazil who used fake documents to secure mortgages for homes they knew they could never afford to pay for.

I have seen it first hand. The next town over is now referred to as "Little Brazil"

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:29am

re: #196 mama winger

Done

243 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:35am

re: #226 Sharmuta

I think it's the ads, not the ratings that bog down page loading time.

No. It's the dinger.

244 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:47am

re: #220 arethusa

I think we should also be seriously concerned about the Ohio Secretary of State.

The McCain campaign is suing her over the absentee ballot issue.

Voter fraud is OK when it is the Democrats doing the fraud.

245 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:50am

re: #129 pegcity

i think they are probably already in the planning stages, i've seen tons of pictures of kids dressed up in full obama gear.

this is a personality cult pure and simple, this will end in disaster.

But it fits the leftists mental state, anything that takes responisbility for ones actions away from the inidividual is aok with them, thinking is not their bag.

“Befehl ist Befehl!”

246 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:53am

re: #242 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Done

Ditto....

247 billhedrick  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:55am

What Obama has done:
Michelle has promised that Barry will require us to work, that we will not be allowed to retain our cynicism
Barry has promised a civilian social force as well funded as the military
He has several times tried to shut down criticism of him and will re-implement the fairness doctrine.
He feels free to lie about his accomplishments and deny his connections to avowed terrorists.
He uses the honored dead to forward himself despite the wishes of the family.
He has promised that his election will facilitate the healing of the planet.
He has promised to make us subject to treaties that we have historically rejected.
He is the choice for president of Socialists and Totalitarians across the world.

Barack Hussein Obama, the next president of the United States of America

248 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:54:56am

re: #222 Typicalwhitey

From me to the ACLU


Ok - thanks for the clarification.

249 FlakMusic  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:06am

re: #223 The Other Les

Yes.

That's what Marxists do.

What if the McCain campaign were doing this? The MSM would have their torches and pitch forks out, the Hollywood left would be shrieking about a police state. But if it's Obama's jack-booted "Truth" Squad, that's something they can get behind.

Some animals are more equal than others.

250 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #225 doriangrey

Did it work?

Yep! was they you?

251 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:34am

"that"

252 little boomer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #241 loppyd

File this under "who the hell asked you and why the hell should we care"

Brazil's Lula calls US bailout plan unfair to poor

Of course he doesn't like it. It doesn't give a free pass to the millions of illegal immigrants from Brazil who used fake documents to secure mortgages for homes they knew they could never afford to pay for.

I have seen it first hand. The next town over is now referred to as "Little Brazil"


Everett?

253 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:27am

Must drag myself to the grocery store.

Later!

254 BigJohn  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:28am

re: #82 Ruthless

It has been suggested in a few pieces that I have read that Obama did not expect to be nominated this time around. It was just a practice run.

255 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:35am

history is repeating it's self.
taking away freedom of speech is the first thing stalin and hitler did.
dictators silence the public and then the unspeakable begins.

256 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:56:38am

re: #204 Tigger2005

I think the St. Louis prosecutors made their intentions pretty clear in the news report.


The problem is that the Springfield paper is covering Obama's ass, using the equivalency argument and apparently lying about it. If this wouldn't stifle free speech [Link: www.kmov.com...] don't know what would. .

257 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:12am

re: #252 little boomer

Everett?

I live one town over from Peabody.

Framimgham is lost, too.

258 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:17am

re: #253 loppyd

Must drag myself to the grocery store.

Later!

if i gave you a list would you mind picking me up a few things?

259 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:18am

That whirring sound from Bonham Texas is my great uncle, Sam Rayburn "Mr. Democrat" himself, spinning in his grave.

260 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:26am

re: #247 billhedrick

not to mention mandated community service, cause Obama is the Community, so free work for Obama.

261 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:28am

After watching this I had to post it. Hmmmmm, Norman or Barry?

262 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:57:40am

re: #247 billhedrick

What Obama has done:
Michelle has promised that Barry will require us to work, that we will not be allowed to retain our cynicism
Barry has promised a civilian social force as well funded as the military
He has several times tried to shut down criticism of him and will re-implement the fairness doctrine.
He feels free to lie about his accomplishments and deny his connections to avowed terrorists.
He uses the honored dead to forward himself despite the wishes of the family.
He has promised that his election will facilitate the healing of the planet.
He has promised to make us subject to treaties that we have historically rejected.
He is the choice for president of Socialists and Totalitarians across the world.

Barack Hussein Obama, the next president of the United States of America

great summary.

263 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #260 pegcity

not to mention mandated community service, cause Obama is the Community, so free work for Obama.

Free work? Isn't considered slavery?

264 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:20am

re: #258 phoenixgirl

if i gave you a list would you mind picking me up a few things?

Sure thing. :)

I normally enjoy it, but it's raining....

265 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:28am

re: #257 loppyd

Loppy you got a long day today.

Doubleheader, but at least the Patriots are not on today

266 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #188 SouthAmericanWay

I am not shocked at all.

However, if this does not make YOU try to do all you can to help elect John McCain, I don't know what will. A radical Socialist in the presidency, a Democratic House, a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate - curtailing all the main liberties of American citizens.

As I have written repeatedly, a McCain-Hillary election would not mean much. But the fact that this radical is candidate has turned this election in the most important since 1980: it is either McCain or the end of America as we know it.

This election is much more important than 1980 you know. I remember all the way back to Ike 52 - and this is the most important of my entire lifetime.

267 methuseleh  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:41am

re: #73 Edgar

And I didn't believe that in 2008, we'd see a presidential candidate who would so brazenly sh*t on the First Amendment in an attempt to stifle any criticism against him. I didn't believe that half of the American population would be so deceived by a candidate that they'd still support him after he demonstrated such disdain for our most cherished founding principle.

So really, 1984 isn't so hard to believe, now.

PS: Edgar, you're part of the problem. Yes, you, along with your fellow blind Obama followers, are the problem. There is no defense for Obama's actions, no dissembly to cover the naked fascism of your candidate. Either you're for the freedom of speech, or you're for Obama. You can't be for both.

268 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:42am

re: #151 Typicalwhitey

Because WE are a battleground state.
ANd he probably is doing it more but those in other states are not stupid enough to go on camera and SAY IT

I emailed the Vice Chairman of the FEC last night.
Sent this to various tv stations and newspapers.
To all four of the McCain offices etc.

You are my hero!

269 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:56am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Why is this happening in Missouri, of all places? What's special about Missouri? Does it just have to do with the particular players in that state?

Much of Missouri's population is concentrated in two major cities, Kansas City and St. Louis. These cities tend to vote Democratic. There are some medium size cities and a very large rural population that tends to vote Republican. The NRA spent millions in Missouri trying to pass right to carry and failed. Several years ago, the widow of Democratic governor Mel Carnahan ran for Congress in her husband's place after he was killed in a plane crash, and managed to defeat former governor John Ashcroft (who then became Bush's attorney general).

As laid back as Missourians tend to be, we're a sharply divided state in some ways, and definitely an important swing state.

270 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:58:59am

re: #244 FrogMarch

Voter fraud is OK when it is the Democrats doing the fraud.

No. It's just not fraud when they do it. Get it?

271 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:02am

re: #263 Perplexed

thats racist, only white people can be connected to slavery, despite the fact it exists in parts of africa today and the middleast.

272 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:08am

This is what awaits us:

Taliban in Pakistan publicly flog butcher for selling non-halal meat (photo).

Police state tactics are police state tactics, whether they be medieval or futuristic.

273 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:11am

If anyone would like to help me in Missouri, just email me and I could give you some phone numbers etc

274 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:17am

re: #250 FrogMarch

Yep! was they you?

Probably, if it came from (mom's name)@cox.net then yes... ;)

275 Red Cloud  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:25am

The Democrat Party: When we promised you change, we didn't say it would be for the better.

276 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #265 smokefire

Loppy you got a long day today.

Doubleheader, but at least the Patriots are not on today

I know! I was thinking of making a sauce and becoming one with the couch when I get back.

277 arethusa  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:27am

Here are the Missouri polls.

I assume Obama thinks he can win Missouri, but a little illegal help never hurts...

278 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:49am

re: #229 Wm T Sherman

Missouri has a history of being a battleground. In 2004 the polls in St. Louis were kept open into all hours of the night by a federal judge's order, to try to bump up the dem totals. But count on the same happening in VA, CO, NC, OH, NM, et cetera. The jackboots have torn up the rule book, and the Constitution along with it. The judges are blind. Now it begins.

279 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:51am

re: #270 kansas

No. It's just not fraud when they do it. Get it?

Oh yeah - when democrats commit fraud - it's for our own good.

280 cybermonk  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 9:59:52am

re: #106 pegcity


You are very right, back in the Spring or Summer of 2006, Obama's face was on the cover of Time, with the words, Will this be our NEXT president?

He had just been elected to the Senate, and had NO experience in Washington at all, but they weren't assuming his election sometime in the future, but in this election. This was planned from day one. Soros is behind it.

281 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:10am

re: #15 Racer X

Who are fascists now eh?

We haven't seen a right wing fascist since Napolean.

282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:11am

Naturally the Obamanauts shall be enshrined with the power to say what is true and what is not.

Believe it or not you have a right to lie. You have a right to be deceptive. You have a right to advertise your ideas and candidates how you see fit (within the bounds of the law). America was formed with the charming notion that voters are able to asses the character of potential candidates and, in the spirit of Edmund Burke select the individual who best represents their way of thinking.

So, if you want to vote for the candidate with proven ties to unrepentant terorrists- Ayers, Dohrn and Khalidi, the candidate who is tied to the most scurrilous Chicago Machine Pols, whose entire legislative record has been sealed or lost, whose foreign policy advisers are the creme de la creme of leftist defeatist one worldist anti-Israel, pro Iranian bomb let America be a fifth rate power, there is a Junior Senator from Illinois just for you!

If you want to pick a man who had almost every bone in his body broken by the enemy and never quit on his country, who warned the nation about the Fannie and Freddie scandals, who risked his Presidential ambitions on the surge and actually walks, talks and acts like a President, instead of a never did anything radical in moderate's clothing, you can vote for one of of the most distinguished man of our times, John McCain.

The choice is entirely up to you. But if you think I don't have a right to my words, I will fight you in court to the end; the First Amendment is cornerstone of our liberties. Obama shows his utter contempt for our political process and the opinions of others (specifically the opinions of people like us) when he tries to impede our right to express our ideas.

While it is not the highest level of political cricket to accuse Obama of voting for sex ed for five year olds with his education vote, it was true that the bill he voted for opened him up to the challenge in the same way that McCain is called out for agreeing with Bush 90% of the time.

Ultimately, it is to the voters to decide what they want. Obama's tactics are an indication that his political ambitions range beyond merely serving as the leader of the Republic but rather indicate he may possess a sinister vision of a new extremely radical form of government which places his party and ideas over our rights to law and civil discourse. He gives me new reasons to dislike him every day. Acts like this hint that he might very well be an American Hugo Chavez. As the drunk in the prole bar in Orwell's 1984 blubbered into his beer "we should na trusted 'em."

Fortunately, the Clintons are going to let the scaffolding collapse under his feet while the American public, the closer we get to the election, is wising up and, I am more and more confident, will see we are in times where we need a trusted proven leader: Obama is going to get crushed at the polls.

283 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:18am

re: #269 Tigger2005

Much of Missouri's population is concentrated in two major cities, Kansas City and St. Louis. These cities tend to vote Democratic. There are some medium size cities and a very large rural population that tends to vote Republican. The NRA spent millions in Missouri trying to pass right to carry and failed. Several years ago, the widow of Democratic governor Mel Carnahan ran for Congress in her husband's place after he was killed in a plane crash, and managed to defeat former governor John Ashcroft (who then became Bush's attorney general).

As laid back as Missourians tend to be, we're a sharply divided state in some ways, and definitely an important swing state.


The right to carry PASSED IN MISSOURI.

284 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:24am

re: #264 loppyd

Sure thing. :)

I normally enjoy it, but it's raining....

Ummm, cough cough... and some beer.... ;)

285 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:36am

Really gone now.

Have a fun day and keep on fighting the good fight!

286 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:46am

re: #276 loppyd

better half aka Vagabondis out getting the fixins for Taco Salad.
This Tuesday it will be 20 years.

287 kansas  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:56am

re: #269 Tigger2005

Much of Missouri's population is concentrated in two major cities, Kansas City and St. Louis. These cities tend to vote Democratic. There are some medium size cities and a very large rural population that tends to vote Republican. The NRA spent millions in Missouri trying to pass right to carry and failed. Several years ago, the widow of Democratic governor Mel Carnahan ran for Congress in her husband's place after he was killed in a plane crash, and managed to defeat former governor John Ashcroft (who then became Bush's attorney general).

As laid back as Missourians tend to be, we're a sharply divided state in some ways, and definitely an important swing state.


Actually Mel Carnahan was elected after he was dead and his wife was appointed to the seat by the Lt. Gov who had become the gov.

288 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:00:58am

re: #103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks - I ordered it right now!

289 pegcity  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:01:27am

re: #272 zombie

to the left as long as they have youtube and starbucks they could care less.

bad things happen to other people in their minds.

that's why they are all for terrorists rights, and prisoners rights and third worlders rights

290 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:01:40am

re: #247 billhedrick

In "The Case Against Obama" the author also notes all the intimidation style politics Obama has used in the past to work his way up the ladder. One of his tactics was to make sure that there were no opponents running against him -- he made sure he was the only option on a ballot -- thus, he'd "win" through acclamation...Now that's silencing your opponents...

291 shibumi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:01:50am

I have mixed feelings about all of this.

Yes, it is absolutely terrifying that this is going on in 2008 in America. And yes, this kind of thuggery should be stopped immediately.

However, if this story gets traction (and we know the traditional media won't give it any attention) then perhaps more people will see that Telemprompter Jesus is a Marxist with no clothes. The fact that this story came out is huge, and I'm glad it came out now, rather than staying underground until lets say, the end of October.

So... send links to all your undecided friends, and remember to Buzz Up the story.

292 loppyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:02:08am

re: #286 smokefire

Congrats in advance!

Bye!

293 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:02:26am

re: #290 J.S.

Great book. Got done reading it awhile ago. A MUST READ

294 contractem  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:02:33am

A group of trials of Soviet officials in the 1930s initiated by the premier, Joseph Stalin. Large numbers of these officials were imprisoned or executed for alleged disloyalty to Stalin. ( see Obama)

295 Red Cloud  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:19am

We need to keep this person out of the White House at all (legal) costs. This is typical Chicago politics, and he wants to purvey it on a national scale.

296 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:21am

re: #283 Typicalwhitey

The right to carry PASSED IN MISSOURI.

My bad ... but I think it failed the first time around.

297 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:37am

The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who “lies or runs a misleading TV ad” during the presidential campaign;

Only ads on TV?
And what kind of people (no response needed) base their choice for a candidate on TV ads?

298 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:03:52am

re: #274 doriangrey

Probably, if it came from (mom's name)@cox.net then yes... ;)

your e-mail addy is not shown. (probably a good thing for privacy and wot not) but thanks!

299 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:01am

re: #294 contractem

A group of trials of Soviet officials in the 1930s initiated by the premier, Joseph Stalin. Large numbers of these officials were imprisoned or executed for alleged disloyalty to Stalin. ( see Obama)

The Purges, guess that Alaska will be useful for something other than oil drilling.

Our own little Siberia

300 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #235 Colonel Panik

1984, where the thought police have finally broken Winston Smith.

I should have remembered that.

301 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:14am

re: #223 The Other Les

Yes.

That's what Marxists do.

And fascists.

302 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:28am

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

303 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:38am

re: #282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Great post, as usual, and it's great to see you around again.

304 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:04:59am

re: #287 kansas

Actually Mel Carnahan was elected after he was dead and his wife was appointed to the seat by the Lt. Gov who had become the gov.

I really need to do research before I post and not rely on my imperfect memory ... lol

305 FredWM  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:00am

This sounds double plus ungood. Not only does he leave it up to his supporters to judge what is a lie, but they don't have to tell anyone until after the crime has been committed! He wins two ways. prior to the ad he's threatening them with jail time if they tell a lie and after the ad runs, no matter what they've said, his supporters can judge it a lie and thrown the TV station manager in jail! Brilliant. It repeals the First Amendment AND side-steps the Constitutional prohibition against Ex Post Facto laws! It's a two'fer.

306 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:00am

re: #271 pegcity

I worked with a guy who'd been in the Navy. They pulled into a port and the crew went on liberty. One guy came back with a woman in tow and tried to board the ship. They stopped him. After a bunch of questions the other crewman said "she's mine. I bought her fair and square." The OD called for a machinist to come up and remove her from chains then they sent her on her way. They told the purchaser that would have been a major international incident giving the Soviets a major coup if it had become widely known that US military were participating in local slave markets. After that they put the slave markets off limits to US personel.

307 phoenixgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:09am

i am pretty sure, obama is planning on throwing all of us under the bus.
his closing remarks at the debate were chilling.

OBAMA: Well, let me just make a closing point. You know, my father came from Kenya. That's where I get my name.

And in the '60s, he wrote letter after letter to come to college here in the United States because the notion was that there was no other country on Earth where you could make it if you tried. The ideals and the values of the United States inspired the entire world.

I don't think any of us can say that our standing in the world now, the way children around the world look at the United States, is the same.

And part of what we need to do, what the next president has to do -- and this is part of our judgment, this is part of how we're going to keep America safe -- is to -- to send a message to the world that we are going to invest in issues like education, we are going to invest in issues that -- that relate to how ordinary people are able to live out their dreams.

And that is something that I'm going to be committed to as president of the United States.

308 yesandno  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:32am

THIS IS WHO THEY ARE. NOT SURPRISED IN THE LEAST.

Red Fascists.

309 Paul Green  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:41am

This strikes a definite chill -- the more so when one considers how an Obama administration is likely to receive the call for the criminalization of "Islamophobia" that is sure to come out of next spring's "Durban II" UN conference in Geneva. More on this here. (Doudou Diène is no longer UN Special Rapporteur "on racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related forms of intolerance," but the intellectual groundwork he laid on the "Islamophobia" issue is likely to endure.)

310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:42am

re: #272 zombie

This is what awaits us:

Taliban in Pakistan publicly flog butcher for selling non-halal meat (photo).

Police state tactics are police state tactics, whether they be medieval or futuristic.

And their faces are covered. Courage, without a doubt!
*spit*

311 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:05:53am

a 100 million people died around the world under communism.
and obama is already showing he will use the ruthless principles of this dictatorial system.
and he isn't even potus, YET.

312 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #302 avspatti

Welcome to the club. Better Half is so scared, as am I. Have not been this scared since..............................1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

313 tangerinesong  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:33am

Letter I sent yesterday to Jefferson County:

Let me get this straight. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer and St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch are going to silence free speech?

Well, as an attorney here in California with offices at the Plaza in Kansas City, my colleagues and I can’t wait to test your little gassy expose'.

Ms. Joyce and Messer's McCulloch and Boyer, we will be coming to your State. Try this on us or anyone we observe being harassed and we’ll take their case Pro bono first and second, Jefferson County does not posses the amounts of money needed to cover the judicial events coming your way. Every attorney from here to New York will be testing your little charade just because. My firm will be one of them. You issued this dilatory and faux intimidating challenge and we have gladly accepted.

TS

314 Knitwit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:40am

I don't know how to do links, but Newsweek has an article, "What If Obama Loses."

315 ornery elephant  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:43am

Before the campaign really started, my guess is that the DNC and the Obama people sat down (probably in some Kos Kid's dingy basement) and decided on a plan as to how they would deal with any sort of "Swift Boat" ad attack.

I think we now know what plan they came up with.

316 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:06:53am

I've said it before, I'll say it again, Obama is Mugabe Lite™

Same jackboot socialism, less filling.

317 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:19am

re: #302 avspatti

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

They do not believe that what they are doing is WRONG!
I don't understand this at all!

318 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:19am

If 0bama could do this to the First Amendment- imagine what the fate of the XXII Amendment will be.

319 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:28am

re: #267 methuseleh

Edgar, you're part of the problem... Either you're for the freedom of speech, or you're for Obama. You can't be for both.

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

320 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:07:42am

re: #290 J.S.

In "The Case Against Obama" the author also notes all the intimidation style politics Obama has used in the past to work his way up the ladder. One of his tactics was to make sure that there were no opponents running against him -- he made sure he was the only option on a ballot -- thus, he'd "win" through acclamation...Now that's silencing your opponents...

Don't forget that he tried that with John McCain some time back, raising the issue of McCain's birth in Panama.

321 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #275 Red Cloud

The Democrat Party: When we promised you change, we didn't say it would be for the better.

It is for the better, for them!

322 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:02am

re: #254 BigJohn

It has been suggested in a few pieces that I have read that Obama did not expect to be nominated this time around. It was just a practice run.

Yaar, They be right Big John! Obama knew he would never be nominated at the outset of the campaign. But you have to throw your name out there, and and you have to start a first campaign. Mates, Obama would not be the nominee unless the media had gone against Clinton and supported Obama. In the same action, Guilani lost Florida in the worst campaign ever, and Florida Democrats effectively gave us McCain as our candidate. At least McCain is qualified. Obama should not even be in the race. I truly despise our journalist. I spit on the grave of journalism!

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:07am

re: #288 yma o hyd

Thanks - I ordered it right now!

You're welcome. My parents had a copy. I read it in junior high school. It was a formative experience for a young boy.

324 mama winger  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:27am

re: #217 Typicalwhitey

I met Senator McCain at a Town Hall here, I gave him a picture of my nephew. He also could have shown that during the debate but he doesn't because he doesn't want to exploit his death.

I will not allow my nephews death for freedom to be trampled on by some Chicago hack.

I.WILL.NOT!

God bless you and your entire family. I have a debt to your nephew that I can never repay.

325 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:29am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Then what you you compare the intimidation of political free speech to?

326 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:38am

re: #302 avspatti

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

The media will conduct purges of its members who don't have their minds right on the issues like "Obama is great, Obama is good" and Pelosi will really be able to drill your brains

327 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:57am

re: #325 Sharmuta

Then what you you compare the intimidation of political free speech to?

Er- What would you compare it too.

/Sorry- I need more coffee.

328 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:08:59am

re: #314 Knitwit

here you go....................

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

329 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #325 Sharmuta

Then what you you compare the intimidation of political free speech to?

Canada's HRC...

330 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:35am

re: #329 Edgar

Canada's HRC...

And how is Canada's HRC not Big Brother?

331 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:39am
332 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:44am

re: #315 ornery elephant

Before the campaign really started, my guess is that the DNC and the Obama people sat down (probably in some Kos Kid's dingy basement) and decided on a plan as to how they would deal with any sort of "Swift Boat" ad attack.

I think we now know what plan they came up with.

OE..................................... Good morning your pachydermness............. :)

333 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:44am

re: #330 Sharmuta

And how is Canada's HRC not Big Brother?

Or fascist?

334 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:09:46am

re: #318 Sharmuta

If 0bama could do this to the First Amendment- imagine what the fate of the XXII Amendment will be.

EEK!

335 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:06am

re: #327 Sharmuta

Er- What would you compare it too.

/Sorry- I need more coffee.

Stalin. We better watch out.

336 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:13am
337 auldtrafford  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:15am

This story should also bring to everyone's mind the tactics Barry used to win all his elections in Illinois - find a personal attack against your opponent and force him off the ballot - leaving Li'l Barry a clear field.

No issues - just thuggery.

338 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:15am

I'm just glad the First Amendment has the Second Amendment covering its flank.

339 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:29am

re: #330 Sharmuta

And how is Canada's HRC not Big Brother?

They aren't anywhere near as extreme as the totalitarian government in 1984

340 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:33am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Really?
Then answer me this Edgar.

I exercise my right to free speech by donating to the NRA say.
What is to stop a sheriff or prosecutor for hauling me into court for supporting a "misleading" ad?

They can't win, of course, but they can SILENCE PEOPLE with just the threat.
Once you let a foot in the door....it will soon be over.

I am SLAMMING that door on their damn foot!

341 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:41am

Barack Hussein Obama is a thug.

I say this without even a bit of hesitation: I'm a former Democrat, and I've been a voter for over 30 years now. That's a long time, and I have never seen a campaign for the US Presidency that is more politically corrupt, than the Obama campaign.

342 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:48am

re: #316 Colonel Panik

I've said it before, I'll say it again, Obama is Mugabe Lite™

Same jackboot socialism, less filling.

he may be mugabe lite, now.
but if he gets in office he will make mugabe look like a kindly grandfather.

343 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:10:54am

re: #307 phoenixgirl

I think the Obama is grandiose enough to think he will be perceived as President of the World. Our borders will not be secured by him, that's for certain.

344 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:08am

re: #339 Edgar

They aren't anywhere near as extreme as the totalitarian government in 1984

Where do you think they get their start? Fascist regimes don't magically appear overnight, you know.

345 ornery elephant  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:10am

re: #332 doriangrey

DG ! Howdeeeee!

346 Colonel Panik  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:15am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

347 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:11:43am

I think it's important for all of us to comprehend what's going on in Missouri and Pennsylvania and - I'm sure - other states.
The Barack Obama Campaign is getting local law enforcement officials to state that they will go after anyone who publishes something that isn't true about Obama. The dolts in Missouri actually said exactly that on videotape to a TV News crew who made no comment about it and moved on to another story.
But those District Attorneys, Sheriff's and state attorneys general are PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are supposed to serve and protect everyone including McCain supporters.
And yet, they have the absolute nerve to actually threaten voters who dare to criticize Obama (or not speak the truth about Obama - and they'll be the judge of whether or not what you say publicly, about a public figure running for President of the United States is "truthful" or not).
This truly abhorrent behavior strikes at the very foundations of our nation's liberties and Constitutional rights and IT MUST BE VIGOROUSLY RESISTED.
As many of you know, I am an attorney - although I gave up my license to practice law when I was diagnosed with cancer and could no longer work as a lawyer. But if any LG Fer finds evidence of this kind of attack on our Constitution and attempts at voter intimidation, my nickname is in blue; feel free to contact me and I will assist YOU in resisting these attacks on our Nation's freedoms, liberties and indeed, our way of life.

348 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:02am

re: #339 Edgar

They aren't anywhere near as extreme as the totalitarian government in 1984

The very fact that it exists is anti-freedom.

349 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:06am

re: #326 SpartanWoman

The media will conduct purges of its members who don't have their minds right on the issues like "Obama is great, Obama is good" and Pelosi will really be able to drill your brains

So when Pelosi finds that special someone then for the first time she will proudly proclaim "Drill Here, Drill Now".

350 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:17am

Mark Levin a few weeks back interviewed one of nobamas fellow law school students who quoted the One as saying, " I don't believe people should own guns",,,I also recall hussein saying more recently, ",,we're not going to mess with your guns, okay?",,,I DON"T BELIEVE HIM!,,(must google martial law now,,can the prez have weapons confiscated in a state of martial law?)

351 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:23am

re: #343 jaunte

I think the Obama is grandiose enough to think he will be perceived as President of the World. Our borders will not be secured by him, that's for certain.

After all "world opinion" drove the online debate polls and I would not be surprised to learn that paypal money came from abroad for his campaign

352 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:40am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Support by dissociative assertion is still support regardless of the turpitude of the assertion.

353 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:49am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter.

Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

I might have thought that too before I saw his circuit court prosecuting attorneys openly stating their intentions on TV without a hint of embarrassment. Like they'd never even heard of the 1st Amendment, or considered it a joke or a minor inconvenience.

Who knows how many other Obama kool-aid drinkers are out there in positions of power, with such cavalier attitudes toward freedom of speech?

354 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:12:51am

re: #347 realwest

I regret that I can upding you but once.

355 J'accuzzi  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:00am

Change.

"I disapprove of what you say and I will defend to the death my right to suppress it."

He must think he is running for president of where? Saudi?

356 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:05am

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

Maybe so, but look what has occured there. 1000% inflation, war in the streets, an economy in ruins.

357 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:06am

re: #340 Typicalwhitey

Really?
Then answer me this Edgar.

I exercise my right to free speech by donating to the NRA say.
What is to stop a sheriff or prosecutor for hauling me into court for supporting a "misleading" ad?

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

358 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:21am

re: #313 tangerinesong

Letter I sent yesterday to Jefferson County:

Let me get this straight. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer and St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch are going to silence free speech?

Well, as an attorney here in California with offices at the Plaza in Kansas City, my colleagues and I can’t wait to test your little gassy expose'.

Ms. Joyce and Messer's McCulloch and Boyer, we will be coming to your State. Try this on us or anyone we observe being harassed and we’ll take their case Pro bono first and second, Jefferson County does not posses the amounts of money needed to cover the judicial events coming your way. Every attorney from here to New York will be testing your little charade just because. My firm will be one of them. You issued this dilatory and faux intimidating challenge and we have gladly accepted.

TS

Arrr! You go dude!

359 J.S.  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:24am

I really don't think of Obama as an American citizen (sorry, this is my opinion). He was raised in Indonesia -- up until grade 6 he lived abroad -- never attended an American elementary school...I think Obama is a "citizen of the world" (not of the United States). He's only a citizen in a technical sense...in a legal sense he's a citizen -- but I think his "heart" lies with the United Nations and the rest of "the world."

360 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:36am

re: #350 Gorgon Zola

He left himself the option of banning ammunition.

361 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:49am

re: #282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If I could double up-ding that I would.

362 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:58am

re: #357 Edgar

What's your fucking point?

363 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:13:59am

re: #29 MandyManners

Just making my way up thread and saw this, someone should send these to Fox News or Rush L or Drudge. This needs wide attention from the American public. I remember reading about his slimy tactics in his early political career. He was successful getting opponents removed from the ballots so he could "win" the election.

364 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #301 galloping granny

And fascists.

Actually if you look at the history of Fascism you would find that Marx is a significant influence on their doctrine. Actually the Fascists to some degree attempted to practice an number of thing advocated by Progressives here in the USA.

365 runrabbitrun  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:28am

re: #81 loppyd

I find it ironic that moonbats have been screaming about their rights being violated under the Bush "regime" yet something like this comes about and it's fair game because it is to the benefit of The One.

"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word." Marcuse

366 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:34am

re: #356 smokefire

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

This is going a bit too far, IMO.

367 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:14:43am

re: #363 twincitiesgirl

Just making my way up thread and saw this, someone should send these to Fox News or Rush L or Drudge. This needs wide attention from the American public. I remember reading about his slimy tactics in his early political career. He was successful getting opponents removed from the ballots so he could "win" the election.

They read here.

368 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:14am

re: #359 J.S.

I really don't think of Obama as an American citizen (sorry, this is my opinion). He was raised in Indonesia -- up until grade 6 he lived abroad -- never attended an American elementary school...I think Obama is a "citizen of the world" (not of the United States). He's only a citizen in a technical sense...in a legal sense he's a citizen -- but I think his "heart" lies with the United Nations and the rest of "the world."

I agree. His attachments to this country are wispy despite his newly minted "I love America too much...." lines

369 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:16am

re: #362 MandyManners

What's your fucking point?

Mandy, are you not mature enough to debate an issue without cursing?

Read it again.

370 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:36am

re: #366 Edgar

This is going a bit too far, IMO.

How unfortunate.

371 jaunte  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:41am

re: #357 Edgar

"I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked."
These two things don't go together.

372 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:15:48am

re: #369 Edgar

I read it and I still don't understand what you wrote.

373 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:05am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.
So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

What?
By stopping those so called "attacks" HE IS CURTAILING FREE SPEECH.

Free speech isn't just defined by what OBAMA THINKS IT IS!

You don't get it Edgar

374 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:15am

re: #331 ploome hineni

that is all a lie, actually

people around the world STILL want to come to AMerica for education

and the fact that some people in USA do not succeed academicallyis not a function of money, it is a function of their ability, their family values and theor parents responsibility

we are at the point in our countrym where anyone can be whatever they want to be

and the Obamination is a perfect example

Obama is a fucking liar

The United States of America has the number one higher education system in the world - and the entire world knows it. That isn't the only reason people come here though. If we are as bad as Obama likes to tell us we are, then WHY do millions of people come legally every year and millions more risk their very lives to come illegally? Nobody is breaking down the doors to get into Mother Russia, or Red China, North Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iran - nobody at all. Most people would have to be dragged to those places at gunpoint.

375 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #372 MandyManners

I read it and I still don't understand what you wrote.

Then why bother commenting on it? Seriously.

376 rightside  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:25am

re: #352 doriangrey

dorian!

377 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:35am

re: #319 Edgar

Well, I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive, but I am not an Obama supporter. Just think it's silly to compare him to Hitler/Big Brother.

Really. When was the last time you read 1984? The intimidation shown in the novel goes from the outright "in your face" to the sublime.

I would say that this article above is on the same level of the "Big Brother" posters that were plastered all over Oceania.

Having public officials, 2 district attorneys and a sheriff, even in a private capacity, speaking to the media, and standing in front of Obama signs, is very sublime propaganda and intimidation, such as the "Big Brother" posters. Silent but simple.

And, a number of LGF's have ASK YOU WHAT IS TO MUCH. All you have managed to do is evade answering anyones questions. How about telling us why you think that this is OK.

378 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:56am

Edgar- you name me one, just ONE totalitarian regime that didn't work by means of incrementalism towards repressing their people. It starts small- they take away one little liberty the people don't notice or mind (due to security) that the government encroaches upon, then the next thing you know, they take more and more.

You don't see this as sliding towards fascism? Pray tell- what would convince you?

379 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:16:58am

re: #280 cybermonk

You are very right, back in the Spring or Summer of 2006, Obama's face was on the cover of Time, with the words, Will this be our NEXT president?

He had just been elected to the Senate, and had NO experience in Washington at all, but they weren't assuming his election sometime in the future, but in this election. This was planned from day one. Soros is behind it.

I have to agree.

Obama is a 100 percent manufactured candidate with zero authenticity, culled from the crooked back rooms of Chicago politics and heavily funded by George Soros. They started grooming him for this long before his arrival in Washington.

Every time I see hisf ace on TV, or even hear his voice, I feel sick to my stomach.

380 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:08am

re: #373 Typicalwhitey

What?
By stopping those so called "attacks" HE IS CURTAILING FREE SPEECH.

Free speech isn't just defined by what OBAMA THINKS IT IS!

You don't get it Edgar

Yes, I agree. I'm not saying he is right. That's just what I think his motivation is.

381 rightymouse  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:12am

#357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

Maybe you could send him a pacifier and a blanky to make him feel better.

He's running for POTUS, not head of Baby Huey's fan club.

382 realwest  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:26am

re: #282 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Yet another in a string of truly wonderful posts. Thank you.

383 LoFlyer  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:26am

re: #347 realwest

I think it's important for all of us to comprehend what's going on in Missouri and Pennsylvania and - I'm sure - other states.
The Barack Obama Campaign is getting local law enforcement officials to state that they will go after anyone who publishes something that isn't true about Obama. The dolts in Missouri actually said exactly that on videotape to a TV News crew who made no comment about it and moved on to another story.
But those District Attorneys, Sheriff's and state attorneys general are PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are supposed to serve and protect everyone including McCain supporters.
And yet, they have the absolute nerve to actually threaten voters who dare to criticize Obama (or not speak the truth about Obama - and they'll be the judge of whether or not what you say publicly, about a public figure running for President of the United States is "truthful" or not).
This truly abhorrent behavior strikes at the very foundations of our nation's liberties and Constitutional rights and IT MUST BE VIGOROUSLY RESISTED.
As many of you know, I am an attorney - although I gave up my license to practice law when I was diagnosed with cancer and could no longer work as a lawyer. But if any LG Fer finds evidence of this kind of attack on our Constitution and attempts at voter intimidation, my nickname is in blue; feel free to contact me and I will assist YOU in resisting these attacks on our Nation's freedoms, liberties and indeed, our way of life.

Arrr mate, be damned glad to have guarding me' back any time. You are a true friend and a great American! God bless you!

384 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:17:59am

re: #372 MandyManners

I read it and I still don't understand what you wrote.

What he said was, my support of Obama is not to be confussed with support for Obama whom although I clearly support I am denying that very obvious support.

385 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:00am

at gunowners dot org:

"It is important to observe that, without a presidential declaration of martial law, President Wilson ordered the U.S. Army to:

* disarm American citizens -- including state and local officials, expressly including sheriffs, the police, and the National Guard;(8)

* arrest American citizens;

* monitor state judicial process and to rearrest (holding in military custody) persons released by the state courts, and

* deny writs of habeas corpus issued by state courts.

Nor was President Wilson the first president who both acknowledged and exercised these presidential powers -- even to use the U.S. military to disarm rebellious Americans (without any technical requirement to define who is rebellious)."

386 yma o hyd  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:06am

re: #170 Typicalwhitey

Are you fucking kidding me Edgar?
He has come into MY state and is using OUR law enforcement to DECIDE what is "misleading" and what it NOT. AND THEY ARE DOING THIS ONLY FOR OBAMA>NOT for McCain!
My nephew DIED fighting for freedom and I will be DAMNED IF I ALLOW NAZI THUGS to stop a fair election in MY STATE.

Wish I could give you a gazillion updings - for this post and for what you've don, taking the initiative and alerting the RNC and everybody to this!

You're one courageous lady!

387 smokefire  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:13am

re: #371 jaunte

"I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked."
These two things don't go together.

...............he does not want to be attacked, but it's OK to dredge up all kinds of crap about McCain that's untrue or Palin that's untrue, and call it Politics.
Sounds like we have a serious skin problem. NO, NOT THAT KIND, thin skinned problem.

388 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:13am

I've run into this story a couple of times the past few days and am not all surprised that Obama is playing this election the "Chicago Way".

389 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:16am

re: #313 tangerinesong

Letter I sent yesterday to Jefferson County:

Let me get this straight. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer and St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch are going to silence free speech?

Well, as an attorney here in California with offices at the Plaza in Kansas City, my colleagues and I can’t wait to test your little gassy expose'.

Ms. Joyce and Messer's McCulloch and Boyer, we will be coming to your State. Try this on us or anyone we observe being harassed and we’ll take their case Pro bono first and second, Jefferson County does not posses the amounts of money needed to cover the judicial events coming your way. Every attorney from here to New York will be testing your little charade just because. My firm will be one of them. You issued this dilatory and faux intimidating challenge and we have gladly accepted.

TS

THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!

390 DesertSage  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:16am

Is Obama employing Brown Shirt type tactics now?

391 shiplord kirel  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:19am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

Are you serious? Trying to stop a verbal or written attack IS curtailment of free speech. It is unconstitutional, AGAINST THE FREAKING LAW, for someone to "get in trouble" for advocating actions that are legal in and of themselves.

These assholes should be arrested.

392 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:21am

re: #357 Edgar

I don't agree with Obama's policies (and this one is no exception) but I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked.

So, I suppose if you ran an NRA ad portraying Obama as a threat to national security, and encouraged others to buy weapons to defend against him, you'd get in trouble.

But I really don't know.

You gotta be kidding me! His goal is to suppress all criticism of himself. You notice he does not suggest these policies be used against those who smear McCain. His concept of freedom is only freedom for Donks

393 legalpad  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:24am

re: #357 Edgar

He just doesn't want to be attacked.

Neither does Sarah Palin. But they are running for office, and it happens. What is revealing is what they are willing to do about it. Apparently the Obama camp is willing to dump the Constitution over it, or try.

But there are those of us who have sworn to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

394 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:27am

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

And, a number of LGF's have ASK YOU WHAT IS TO MUCH. All you have managed to do is evade answering anyones questions. How about telling us why you think that this is OK.

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

395 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:47am

re: #363 twincitiesgirl

Just making my way up thread and saw this, someone should send these to Fox News or Rush L or Drudge. This needs wide attention from the American public. I remember reading about his slimy tactics in his early political career. He was successful getting opponents removed from the ballots so he could "win" the election.

Rush already discussed this Friday and mentioned Gateway Pundit by name.

396 Random63  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:48am

re: #159 Fritz_Katz

I haven't seen the mini-series yet, but I am reading the book. It's excellent! I recommend everyone read this book and to start reading good biographies of our founding fathers and of that time period. With that in mind, anyone know of a good biography of George Washington written by a unbiased historian?

Be safe and well.

397 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #376 rightside

dorian!

Good morning Sir...

398 nyc redneck  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:06am

re: #302 avspatti

This is terrifying. The Missouri officials who are in on this seem totally convinced that they are right. If O gets elected, what will happen to our dear country? With the media on his side, what real chance do we have? I am becoming very afraid.

did you see the city circuit att., jennifer joyce say, WE don't want people lying abt obama, uh uh. . . the people of missouri don't want people lying.
but of course nothing said abt. the myriad of lies obama and his henchmen constantly spew.
this is beyond sinister.

399 galloping granny  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:11am

re: #346 Colonel Panik

I don't compare him to Hitler. I compare him to his incompetent thuggish Socialist African brother, Robert Mugabe.

Don't forget his cousin Raila Odinga

400 abolitionist  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:17am

Three or so years ago, a local newspaper had a front page article saying members of FOI* would be, with some public funding, patrolling our local parks on bicycles in order to help keep us all safe from druggies and muggers. (Sorry, no link.)

* Mosque #7 Jr. FOI Drill Team

Mosque #7 didn't get much scrutiny after 911.

Mosque #7 didn't get much scrutiny in 1972 when NYPD police were lured there by a bogus 911 call and then ambushed amidst cries of “Allah Akhbar”. One officer died of his injuries.

Knapp called Commissioner Pat Murphy and advised him of the turmoil inside and outside the mosque. While Knapp is talking on the phone, he heard shouting. He turned and saw Louis Farrakhan and Charlie Rangel leading a large group of muslims down the basement stairs. Farrakhan is shouting that all the cops must leave the temple. Knapp tells Haugh to move to the street.

Now Deputy Commissioner Ben Ward arrives, with Farrakhan at his side, he shouts to the superior officers that the cops immediately leave the mosque. The crime scene was abandoned. Farrakhan and Rangel are shouting to the superior officers “if you stay, there is nothing we can do to protect you. You’ll be overrun. There’ll be rioting. People may be killed.” Farrakhan and Rangel ‘promise’ that the prisoners would come to the 24 pct. at five o’clock to be questioned. Do you think anyone showed up?

Rangel has been US Representative from Harlem since 1971. And where is he now? What? I have to pay income taxes? Who knew?

The Committee of Ways and Means is the chief tax-writing committee of the United States House of Representatives.

Charlie Rangel And Obama's "Civilian Defense Corps"

/shiver

401 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:20am

re: #390 DesertSage

Is Obama employing Brown Shirt type tactics now?

DON'T say that! You'll upset Edgar.

402 BignJames  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:21am

re: #380 Edgar

Yes, I agree. I'm not saying he is right. That's just what I think his motivation is.

To win by keeping people ignorant?

403 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:32am

re: #375 Edgar

Then why bother commenting on it? Seriously.

Go piss up a rope.

404 SpartanWoman  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:19:49am

re: #380 Edgar

Yes, I agree. I'm not saying he is right. That's just what I think his motivation is.

His motivation is to win by any means necessary and make new rules that will only apply to the opposition

405 hermit  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:11am

The only thing wrong with comparing Obama with Hitler et al is that it gives him too much credit for being anything better than a TOOL for those who slipped him into the position he now has. No conspiracy stuff, just gotta know someone THIS completely useless should not be so close to POTUS.

406 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:17am

re: #403 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope.

You need some new material...

407 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:21am

re: #394 Edgar

Fine. I support 100% free speech. But that was not the issue. My point was that Obama does not equal Hitler, and some suppression of free speech does not equal complete totalitarian mind control.

ANY suppression of free speech should not be tolerated.

408 mitthrawnurdo  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:23am

BTW, I love sensing Mandy's moxie in her comments.

/ Although, I'd probably wouldn't like it as much if it was directed negatively against me.

409 pat  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:25am

Obama gave one of the silliest speeches I ever heard yesterday. He was railing on McCain because McCain did not use the phrase "middle class" during the debate. Ok.......?

410 doriangrey  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:28am

re: #390 DesertSage

Is Obama employing Brown Shirt type tactics now?

Define NOW....

411 avspatti  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #371 jaunte

"I don't think the point is to curtail free speech. He just doesn't want to be attacked."
These two things don't go together.

So, if the truth is what he considers an attack, it's not curtailing free speech? Please.

412 Edgar  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:39am

re: #404 SpartanWoman

His motivation is to win by any means necessary and make new rules that will only apply to the opposition

Yes, and there is no disagreement on that.

413 DesertSage  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:50am

re: #401 Sharmuta

DON'T say that! You'll upset Edgar.

Who's Edgar?

414 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:58am

re: #384 doriangrey

What he said was, my support of Obama is not to be confussed with support for Obama whom although I clearly support I am denying that very obvious support.

My head is spinning so wildly that I'm sick to my tummy.

415 6pat6  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:20:59am

re: #342 nyc redneck

he may be mugabe lite, now.
but if he gets in office he will make mugabe look like a kindly grandfather.

Especially if he gets his Obama Brown Shirts; er, Civilian Corps together. Nothing like a literal NeighborHOOD Watch Group, eh?

416 rightwinger3  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 10:21:01am