i know lets give the UN even more money

Love the eye in the pyramid.

On the day that the UN declared the State of Israel, there were 17 muslim nations in the world. Across the board they voted no. Today there are 57 muslim nations in the world - before you start counting fellow travelers like Venezuela. More than 1/4 of the total UN membership. What else did you expect?

He fucking hugged him!

Tancredo for the win.... Evict the UN from the US and bar them from ever owning property in the US again....

Disgusting. When can we leave the UN?

Please allow me to introduce myself
Im a man of wealth and taste
Ive been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith
And I was round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But whats puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

NoACK!

re: #6 doriangrey

Tancredo for the win.... Evict the UN from the US and bar them from ever owning property in the US again....

Well, there is something to be said for keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. Where we can keep an eye on them on our terms to some extent. Not much to be said for it, but something.

I'm shocked!
No big wet kisses?

Disgusting. If anyone is holding our interests hostage it is the islamic oil ticks spreading hatred for Jews, Israel and the West.

The UN has to go- they do nothing but give legitimacy to bigots and thugs.

Obama would meet with him but there would be absolutely no hugs and vigorous finger wagging.

So there.

I feel the need to shower after watching that. With 40 Mule Team Borax.

I had to shut off the vid. It was just to much BS! Why do we give one penny to the UN, much less be a member. Didn't McCain float the idea of a "league of democracies" to compete with this BS, The UN would fall apart in six months because we all know the rich Arabs would not contribute jack to the UN that they dominate. Yaaar! Go McCain!

Ugh! I can't stand to watch it. The UN has degenerated into a mucho-billion $ farce.

Larry King- "But you didn't mean it, right?"

Let's test Ahmadinejad's sincerity by asking him to board that pirated Iranian ship and show us how safe Iran's intentions are.

re: #8 IslandLibertarian

Please allow me to introduce myself
Im a man of wealth and taste
Ive been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith
And I was round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But whats puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

NoACK!

just thought I would add a little music with the words

re: #8 IslandLibertarian

Please allow me to introduce myself
Im a man of wealth and taste
Ive been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith
And I was round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But whats puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

NoACK!

Perfect !

Sympathy For The Devil

When I find cockroaches in my kitchen, I squash them.
The UN puts out treats for them.

/Fu*k you Jimmy Carter!

Cry Havoc, and let slip the Israeli Air Force.

While the U.N. is both useless and evil, we still have a veto power on the security council. My fear is not of the U.N. so much as it is in those leftists who want to defer our autonomy to to it. Judges who quote foreign law as credible precedent in our own courts, asking for global consensus on our right to defend our security etc. Israel will survive. In this I have deep faith. The question is who will be on her side. Madmandenijad is simple fulfilling the role played in history of Hamen and Hitler. He will suffer the same fate.

I'm already sick this weekend, this doesn't make feel any better. Someone pass be the bottle of black berry brandy.

pass me PIMF

DinnerJacket and the UN thugs and appeasers can just suck my left testicle...

This guy and his ideas have no place within the borders of the U.S.A.
I don't care about UN or diplomatic protocols...somebody should simply say, "Get out!", every time he tries to enter our country.

Dinnerjacket=arsehole

And, as Forrest Gump would say, thats all I gotta say 'bout that.

In an Obama administration, Ahmadinejad could talk as much as he liked...unless he criticized Obama in Missouri.

Ugh. This is what I get for taking a time out from cooking.

/Serves me right.

Mandy, could you please pass me some of that 40 Mule Team Borax?

When I was young, I was mystified as to how anyone could have a negative opinion of the United Nations. I mean, it was a wonderful cooperative body designed to prevent war and ensure world peace! Who could be against that?

And although all (and i mean ALL) of my relatives, friends, colleagues and neighbors are still drunk on the U.N. Kool-Aid, I have seriosuly had my eyes opened.

The U.N. is now nothing more than a massive circle-jerk for Islamists and communists. Which you and I fund with our tax dollars.

The U.S. needs to immediately de-fund the U.N., expel it from New York (and the U.S.), and stop abiding by ANY U.N. treaties or agreements.

Then, start a new international organization that is limited to sane democracies. Make membership in this new group be EXCLUSIVE of U.N. membership -- i.e. you can't be a member of both.

Over time, the U.N. will become isolated as a cabal of dictatorships, communist regimes, and islamofascists.

re: #24 Idle Drifter

pass me PIMF

Don't worry, we knew what you meant. I'm fresh out of blackberry brandy but I think we have raspberry schnapps if that might do. . .

Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann

D'Escoto was ordained a Roman Catholic priest for the Maryknoll congregation, before engaging in politics. He was a key figure in the founding of the Maryknoll imprint, Orbis Books, in 1970, and was an official with the World Council of Churches. As an adherent of liberation theology, he secretly joined the Sandinistas.

We should pick up the UN building, place it on a barge and shove it off into the Atlantic. It has to be the most useless real estate in the entire New York area. I'm tired of my tax dollars supporting this anti-Semitic organization. And to watch as people embrace this fool makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

Someone pinch me and remind me that this is US, circa 2008, not Nuremberg circa 1936....pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

re: #30 zombie

Great idea Z.

re: #29 NY Nana

Ugh. This is what I get for taking a time out from cooking.

/Serves me right.

Mandy, could you please pass me some of that 40 Mule Team Borax?

What are you cooking today? (I did breakfast so my turn is done for the day.)

re: #4 galloping granny

And that was the last good thing the U.N. has done....and it was 60 years ago.

What I find pathetic is that no one ever confronts mini-Hitler for Iran's long standing policy of repression, ethnic cleansing and even state-sponsored murder of the Ahwazi Arabs living in Iran. Here is just one story, but all sorts of information is out there. The evil bastard gets a bully pulpit at the UN to spout his bullshit about how Israel "mistreats" Palestinians while his own Government is guilty of unspeakable violence toward Arabs living within Iran and no one ever asks him to his face to explain that. Larry King had the chance but its no surprise he left that topic out of the interview.

re: #22 flyovercountry

My fear is not of the U.N. so much as it is in those leftists who want to defer our autonomy to to it. Judges who quote foreign law as credible precedent in our own courts, asking for global consensus on our right to defend our security etc.

well said

re: #20 IslandLibertarian

When I find cockroaches in my kitchen, I squash them.
The UN puts out treats for them.

/Fu*k you Jimmy Carter!

USS Jimmy Carter, one of the finest units in the fleet. I detest naming public facilities and navy ships for living people.

well.....the world is going to hell in a hand-basket, so I'm going to spend my Sunday looking at $million$ dollar real estate.

"Now, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen."

Power to the Correct People!
(They have faith in....something.)

re: #37 NY Nana

And that was the last good thing the U.N. has done....and it was 60 years ago.

Agreed. Though I guess I might give them a few props for trying to eradicate smallpox.

re: #40 LoFlyer

USS Jimmy Carter, one of the finest units in the fleet. I detest naming public facilities and navy ships for living people.

Something is wrong with that. The correct URL shows up in the browser, but the page displays just the referring page information. Strange.

Miguel didn't even have the goddamned common courtesy to give him a reach-around.

re: #38 Mich-again

What I find pathetic is that no one ever confronts mini-Hitler for Iran's long standing policy of repression, ethnic cleansing and even state-sponsored murder of the Ahwazi Arabs living in Iran. Here is just one story, but all sorts of information is out there. The evil bastard gets a bully pulpit at the UN to spout his bullshit about how Israel "mistreats" Palestinians while his own Government is guilty of unspeakable violence toward Arabs living within Iran and no one ever asks him to his face to explain that. Larry King had the chance but its no surprise he left that topic out of the interview.

That's 'cause Larry "The Fossil" is a doddering old fart who is too senile to acknowledge his own self-loathing.

re: #31 galloping granny

Don't worry, we knew what you meant. I'm fresh out of blackberry brandy but I think we have raspberry schnapps if that might do. . .

Thanks, GG, I just need to sweat it out of me. I'll stop by the local grocery store and pick up some DayQuil and immunity boosters. I probably use a night cap to help me sleep.

re: #44 Edgar

Now you're just being gross.

Within striking distance from Ground Zero sits a smoldering international cauldron, the United "Abominations" as it were. Born to prevent wars, it froze in the face of disaster and stood silent while terrorization took hostage of the world. In a mire of hypocrisy, the U.N. ignores sex crimes by its "blue helmets", and enables terrorism; so in the end it's failed. And the U.N. is where our so-called friends get to stab us in the back and we pay 22% of their tab to host our enemies here at home. Ambassadors from countries otherwise known as a catastrophe, enjoy diplomatic immunity living in Manhattan, while their children are turned into prostitutes. It's a complete and utter disgrace, a blot on the face of humanity, and they get away with it.

United Abominations (Dave Mustaine, Megadeth 2007)

I'd like to spend my dignity and resources kicking the crap out of and the smug smile off the face of this human d-bag.

"Please remain seated while I pander to, lavish affection on, and ask out on a date this evening, 'His Excellency' the president of the Islamic Republic of Douchbagistan...er...Iran."

Wow. I've lost a lot of lunch already. Can you please save your NAMBLA moments for off-camera?

re: #48 Sharmuta

Now you're just being gross.

The hug was even more gross...

Learn in four cartoon panels how the left would handle Achmadinejad (and the rest of the world's freedom-devouring monsters): truth in humor thanks to Rick Detorie

re: #47 Idle Drifter

Thanks, GG, I just need to sweat it out of me. I'll stop by the local grocery store and pick up some DayQuil and immunity boosters. I probably use a night cap to help me sleep.

Not a good idea if you are taking either Dayquil or Nyquil. Try hot milk with a teaspoon of sugar.

re: #43 galloping granny

Something is wrong with that. The correct URL shows up in the browser, but the page displays just the referring page information. Strange.

Try this one, You get to admire Jimmy's face and peanut buttery smooth smile.
/Fracken' jerk!

re: #46 ploome hineni

nana

have you sent reindetouts a recipe for the LGF cookbook?

something delicious

Nana has a lot of them too. How about sending some of the ones you've posted?

re: #33 cosmo

Same here. I totally agree with you.

And not only morally, but physically, the dis- United Nations is literally falling apart.

Our country has enough to cope with. Ship the members to Iran, and let Ahmadinnerjacket build a new one.

Do I have to watch this? It's close to dinner time.

re: #52 runrabbitrun

Learn in four cartoon panels how the left would handle Achmadinejad (and the rest of the world's freedom-devouring monsters): truth in humor thanks to Rick Detorie

Funny and frighteningly accurate, those first 4 panels sum it up alright.

re: #44 Edgar

Miguel didn't even have the goddamned common courtesy to give him a reach-around.

Oh come on. Now you are just trying to get on our good side. Do you think a little hugging of a Middle Eastern Anti-Semitic dictator is not as bad as a whole lot of hugging of a Middle Eastern Anti-Semitic dictator?

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #53 galloping granny

Yes you're right, I don't mix alcohol with medicine. It's one or the other and enough to relax.

re: #44 Edgar

Oooh. Big boy! Taking the Lord's name in vain again.

re: #62 MandyManners

Oooh. Big boy! Taking the Lord's name in vain again.

ROFLMAO

(see my #59 if you missed it)

re: #14 loflyer

I had to shut off the vid. It was just to much BS! Why do we give one penny to the UN, much less be a member. Didn't McCain float the idea of a "league of democracies" to compete with this BS, The UN would fall apart in six months because we all know the rich Arabs would not contribute jack to the UN that they dominate. Yaaar! Go McCain!

That's a policy he's borrowed from Rudy, and it's a good one.

I'm ALWAYS GLAD about stuff like this. It just keeps adding to the dossier.

What's worse - a UN that hides its antisemitism or a UN that is overtly antisemitic?

In the short term, both are equally repugnant, but in the long term the seeds are being sewn for its destruction.

More vile behaviour UN. More. Faster. Self Destruct.

This reminds me, I haven't seen my check lately...

re: #36 galloping granny

What are you cooking today? (I did breakfast so my turn is done for the day.)

For Erev Rosh HaShanah tomorrow evening? Chicken soup, matzo balls (into the frig already to cook with the soup tomorrow). Preparing the turkey stuffing, baking an apple cake, and a surprise birthday cake for one of my daughters in law, that the 3 little grandkids will decorate, and a lot of side dishes, like honeyed carrots..and finding out how many will be here Tuesday night, so that I can prepare the brisket. And the apples to dip in honey will be cut just before the kids get here. The obligatory string beans for a picky son, with mushrooms and onions in anther dish, so he shouldn't be contaminated ;), and also 2 challas.

Luckily NY Grampa is a very good helper!

/Did I leave anything out?

Now, now, we just need to understand him.

/

i hear the feds have a SONG BIRD locked up in fed jail in chicago
besides the dear gov'r blago i wounder if he is talking about this man

[Link: therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com...]

i bet blago is being made the scape goat not sure they got enouigh on obama at this point.

re: #58 right_in_canada

Funny and frighteningly accurate, those first 4 panels sum it up alright.

yeah, unlike what appears to be the majority of the world's cartoonists and artists, Detorie seems to be one of us, or as Mark Levin calls them, one of the "normal Americans" who isn't ashamed to be on the U.S's side.

I find it really funny that a Muslim would complain about anyone "displacing, detaining. and killing the true owners of [...] land". Of course Muslims have never done such a thing. Jews, Israelis, have had millennia of presence in those lands. Lands of Muslim conquest—what tie do they have other than loot and spoils?

re: #30 zombie

Isnt this what McCain suggested, re Iran? Sane democracies coming together for mutual HEALTH

Goddamn Malignant Dwarf.

Yaar, Edger, my best advice is to lay low for a couple of weeks, and come back and act nice, and don't say anything you can't back up without links and facts. You will get zero positive response from the LGF'ers at your current credibility. PS, I kind of thought what you said was funny, if a little juvenile. Give it a rest, mate....

Hatred of Democracy has many adherents.

re: #68 NY Nana

la shana tova NYNANA

So is it time to start the ball rolling on getting the fucking UN out of the United States? Just a thought for comment.

re: #68 NY Nana

Chop Suey here. lol

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on. Now you are just trying to get on our good side. Do you think a little hugging of a Middle Eastern Anti-Semitic dictator is not as bad as a whole lot of hugging of a Middle Eastern Anti-Semitic dictator?

Walter in Golden, Co.

LOL! Spot on.

There is delicious irony in naming the last of the Seawolf class after Carter. Research the actual mission of SSN 23 and you'll know what I mean.

I have a friend who has a theory about Islam that I'm not sure is correct: he argues that the basic problem with radical Islam is that Islam itself has never, unlike Judaism or Christianity, been a persecuted religion. It spread like wildfire and quickly became an officially sanctioned religion, i.e., it's never had to accommodate or co-exist with those who disagree.

I think there may be seeds of truth there, but I think overall it's simplistic and there must be counter examples of other religions. Thoughts?

I can't believe my navy named a warship after Jimmah. Argueably the most feckless, worthless POS ever to occupy the White House. Gaaah!

Great, now I'm pretty damned steamed today. This, and the whole affair going on in Missouri over free speech. I swear the world is going mad with fascists finding their way into world leadership positions.

Over the whole Missouri affair, I am extremely offended at Obama and company. (Amazing there's already over 1,000 comments there!) My ancestors came here in search of freedom back in the 1630s. Helped make this country. Fought the British and kicked them out. Fought them again to keep them out. Fought to keep this nation together during the Civil War. Fought to keep its enemies at bay during WWI and WWII. To see Obama and his goons destroying that free speech which we so strongly defended for so many years really just pisses me off.

re: #46 ploome hineni

nana

have you sent reindetouts a recipe for the LGF cookbook?

Ploomie,

Didn't even know it existed!

Any special requests? With this amount of cooking for 2 days I may have to keel you! :)

I will, but after Rosh HaShanah...I have them in my files.

re: #78 Montana

So is it time to start the ball rolling on getting the fucking UN out of the United States? Just a thought for comment.

Yaar, I like McCain's proposal for a league of democracies to compete with the institutional corruption of the UN.

re: #14 loflyer

I had to shut off the vid. It was just to much BS! Why do we give one penny to the UN, much less be a member. Didn't McCain float the idea of a "league of democracies" to compete with this BS, The UN would fall apart in six months because we all know the rich Arabs would not contribute jack to the UN that they dominate. Yaaar! Go McCain!

Here's that story. Aleague of Democracies would be so brilliant. If implemented properly, non-member countries could be forced to reform if they want to share in the technolofy and onfrastrucre that only civilised nations can bring.

Okay, Saudi still have the world by the balls when it comes to oil - all the more reason for non-fossil fuels.

I know people here argue on behalf of oil, but whilst America might edge close to self-sufficiency, the rest of the world will need the Saudis. Break our global dependency on oil and the Saudis, Iran & Chavez are f**ked. They really are.

re: #30 zombie

When I was young, I was mystified as to how anyone could have a negative opinion of the United Nations. I mean, it was a wonderful cooperative body designed to prevent war and ensure world peace! Who could be against that?

And although all (and i mean ALL) of my relatives, friends, colleagues and neighbors are still drunk on the U.N. Kool-Aid, I have seriosuly had my eyes opened.

The U.N. is now nothing more than a massive circle-jerk for Islamists and communists. Which you and I fund with our tax dollars.

The U.S. needs to immediately de-fund the U.N., expel it from New York (and the U.S.), and stop abiding by ANY U.N. treaties or agreements.

Then, start a new international organization that is limited to sane democracies. Make membership in this new group be EXCLUSIVE of U.N. membership -- i.e. you can't be a member of both.

Over time, the U.N. will become isolated as a cabal of dictatorships, communist regimes, and islamofascists.

I remember those days as well, I even Trick or Treated for Unicef a couple years.

re: #78 montana

So is it time to start the ball rolling on getting the fucking UN out of the United States? Just a thought for comment.

Actually getting the U.S. out of the UN would be better. But either would work.

I think my computer has gone nuts. LGF looks very weird. Or is it not me?

re: #83 pingjockey

I can't believe my navy named a warship after Jimmah. Argueably the most feckless, worthless POS ever to occupy the White House. Gaaah!

If possible, I think Carter has been a worse ex-President than he was a President. As bad as his policies were, his really objectionable actions to me have come in the last few years - plagiarism, anti-Semitism, and so on.

re: #68 NY Nana

For Erev Rosh HaShanah tomorrow evening? Chicken soup, matzo balls (into the frig already to cook with the soup tomorrow). Preparing the turkey stuffing, baking an apple cake, and a surprise birthday cake for one of my daughters in law, that the 3 little grandkids will decorate, and a lot of side dishes, like honeyed carrots..and finding out how many will be here Tuesday night, so that I can prepare the brisket. And the apples to dip in honey will be cut just before the kids get here. The obligatory string beans for a picky son, with mushrooms and onions in anther dish, so he shouldn't be contaminated ;), and also 2 challas.

Luckily NY Grampa is a very good helper!

/Did I leave anything out?

Yes. My invitation to dinner! :)

re: #82 arethusa

I have a friend who has a theory about Islam that I'm not sure is correct: he argues that the basic problem with radical Islam is that Islam itself has never, unlike Judaism or Christianity, been a persecuted religion. It spread like wildfire and quickly became an officially sanctioned religion, i.e., it's never had to accommodate or co-exist with those who disagree.

I think there may be seeds of truth there, but I think overall it's simplistic and there must be counter examples of other religions. Thoughts?

Well yes and no. You have to remember that the two main branches have been persecuting each other ever since the 2nd fitna.

Has Charles given his blessing to the LGF cookbook enterprise?

re: #91 arethusa
Oh yeah. Can't keep his nose out of anything.

re: #14 loflyer

I had to shut off the vid. It was just to much BS! Why do we give one penny to the UN, much less be a member. Didn't McCain float the idea of a "league of democracies" to compete with this BS, The UN would fall apart in six months because we all know the rich Arabs would not contribute jack to the UN that they dominate. Yaaar! Go McCain!

Here's that story. A league of Democracies would be so brilliant. If implemented properly, non-member countries could be forced to reform if they want to share in the technology and infrastructure that only civilised nations can bring.

Okay, Saudi still have the world by the balls when it comes to oil - all the more reason for non-fossil fuels.

I know people here argue on behalf of oil, but whilst America might edge close to self-sufficiency, the rest of the world need the Saudis. Break our global dependency on oil and the Saudis, Iran & Chavez are f**ked. They really are.

re: #81 uscmsne

There is delicious irony in naming the last of the Seawolf class after Carter. Research the actual mission of SSN 23 and you'll know what I mean.

Haaaar! Yes, she looks like the best of the bunch! I noticed she had no history, which means the Carter is deployed on black ops and research and development.

re: #62 MandyManners

Oooh. Big boy! Taking the Lord's name in vain again.

Edgar was trying to channel R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket...like the Pulp Fiction quote from the other day, it didn't really go over well without the reference.

Certainly not trying to defend Edgar though...

re: #72 David IV of Georgia

I find it really funny that a Muslim would complain about anyone "displacing, detaining. and killing the true owners of [...] land". Of course Muslims have never done such a thing. Jews, Israelis, have had millennia of presence in those lands. Lands of Muslim conquest—what tie do they have other than loot and spoils?

Unfortunately so few speak of these truths you point to.
It sickens me to watch the applause given that pissant of a man Ahmadinejad.
Then a hug? I'd give him a hug... deleted..deleted...deleted

re: #96 uptight

Here's that story. A league of Democracies would be so brilliant. If implemented properly, non-member countries could be forced to reform if they want to share in the technology and infrastructure that only civilised nations can bring.

Okay, Saudi still have the world by the balls when it comes to oil - all the more reason for non-fossil fuels.

I know people here argue on behalf of oil, but whilst America might edge close to self-sufficiency, the rest of the world need the Saudis. Break our global dependency on oil and the Saudis, Iran & Chavez are f**ked. They really are.

Yaaar! I'm with you on this Up!

This should be interesting:

30 pastors in U.S. take on IRS by preaching about politics

I wonder how many pro-Obama sermons there have been, or how many pro-Dem candidate sermons were conducted in the past?

re: #87 uptight

What would happen if McCain said he was going to dump the UN? How would the nation react? VD day? (Victory Democracy)

I see Obama is up by as much as 8 points.

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think my computer has gone nuts. LGF looks very weird. Or is it not me?

Looks ok here. (Using FF3)

re: #96 uptight

Some of that is being attempted now, the Non Prolif treaty just got tossed by the wayside so we could partner better with India on nuclear energy for instance.

re: #104 pat

I see Obama is up by as much as 8 points.

The pollsters are spotting him that much as a handicap for being black according to a pollster that appeared on Fox a few days ago.

re: #104 pat
Remember 90% of the polls over sample dems to repubs by at least 10% if not more!

re: #86 LoFlyer

Yaar, I like McCain's proposal for a league of democracies to compete with the institutional corruption of the UN.

Barry disapproves. It seems he believes countries may be excluded. WTF?

Incredible.

Feelings and delusions of persecution. By a group unable to persecute.

Obviously he is paranoid. I am guessing psychotic. He certainly has a death wish, and can't wait for the 12th imam to come back and grant it for him.

I wonder what fraction of those who call islam their faith, share these paranoid delusions of persecution from less than 20M people world wide? They are obviously mentally ill. Collectively it may not be possible to cure them. It must be possibly to contain them.

An accident of geography gave them valuable resources. An effort of will and discipline must be undertaken to provide alternative resources. Once this is done, containment will be much simpler.

re: #105 Spirit93

Looks ok here. (Using FF3)

Yaaar, Looks good on FF 3.2!

Charles - was this before or after Indonesia asked for a special "Seat for Islam" on the UN security council?

Looks like they were having a great time, there.

Just got an email from the obama campaign reminding me of the cutoff date to be registered to vote in Missouri.

If he knew who I was he would NOT correspond with me LOL

re: #108 pingjockey

Remember 90% of the polls over sample dems to repubs by at least 10% if not more!

True, but that is about how many more Dems there are in fact. It appears the movement is among the independents who appear to have lost their fear of Obama.

re: #102 solomonpanting

This should be interesting:

30 pastors in U.S. take on IRS by preaching about politics

I wonder how many pro-Obama sermons there have been, or how many pro-Dem candidate sermons were conducted in the past?

Every one of them should lose their tax exemption.

re: #111 LoFlyer

Yaaar, Looks good on FF 3.2!

Did you mean 3.0.2? BTW 3.0.3 is out.

re: #113 Typicalwhitey

Just got an email from the obama campaign reminding me of the cutoff date to be registered to vote in Missouri.

If he knew who I was he would NOT correspond with me LOL

ROFLMAO!

re: #107 galloping granny

The pollsters are spotting him that much as a handicap for being black according to a pollster that appeared on Fox a few days ago.

Does anyone have an actual video/transcript of this? I've heard it rumored, but I'm not sure it makes sense. Wouldn't they be lowering his numbers as a handicap, not raising them? I mean, he won't be spotted 8 points on election day (though I'm sure he'd love to be), so what's the point?

re: #113 Typicalwhitey

Just got an email from the obama campaign reminding me of the cutoff date to be registered to vote in Missouri.

If he knew who I was he would NOT correspond with me LOL

Love it TW! He would send his truth squad lol

re: #113 Typicalwhitey

Ironic!

re: #92 galloping granny

Yes. My invitation to dinner! :)

Darn! They say memory is the first to go! Sorry! All seats have been taken, especially since the 2 year old grandson now sits in a chair. Think you could eat holding him in your lap? ;)

Hi, ho, hi, ho, it's back to the scullery I go.

Anyone need some extra tears? I am crying a lot, not from onions, but because the Mets just lost the wild card spot.

I will go sulk and pout, and then return to the scullery.

Later....

re: #115 Dianna

Every one of them should lose their tax exemption.

Absolutely.

Just as religion has no place in government (as in 1st Amendment), government has no place in religion. I would walk out of a church that preached politics.

re: #75 LoFlyer

Yaar, Edger, my best advice is to lay low for a couple of weeks, and come back and act nice, and don't say anything you can't back up without links and facts. You will get zero positive response from the LGF'ers at your current credibility. PS, I kind of thought what you said was funny, if a little juvenile. Give it a rest, mate....

I'll keep it under consideration.

re: #113 Typicalwhitey

Just got an email from the obama campaign reminding me of the cutoff date to be registered to vote in Missouri.

If he knew who I was he would NOT correspond with me LOL

You mean you didn't register the email address: Typicalwhitey@yahoo.com with the campaign?

re: #109 unrealizedviewpoint

Barry disapproves. It seems he believes countries may be excluded. WTF?

That's the whole point. Obama is an idiot and his media buds are UN lapdogs. Fox is the only one who will investigate, the rest accept the UN press release at face value and accept the moral equivalence of Iran to the US.
Arrrrr! It is time to break the UN global domination of tyrants!

maybe we should have a legal lgf fund for leader and lizards. (obama truth squad)

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on. Now you are just trying to get on our good side. Do you think a little hugging of a Middle Eastern Anti-Semitic dictator is not as bad as a whole lot of hugging of a Middle Eastern Anti-Semitic dictator?

Walter in Golden, Co.

Will you please give it a rest? This has nothing to do with the previous thread.

re: #108 pingjockey

Remember 90% of the polls over sample dems to repubs by at least 10% if not more!

And now they're attempting to compensate for "racism"

re: #113 Typicalwhitey
You have done a great deed.

re: #104 pat

I see Obama is up by as much as 8 points.

One poll (cannot recall which one) is polling vastly more Democrats than Republicans.

re: #122 goddessoftheclassroom

Me, too!

re: #116 Spirit93

Did you mean 3.0.2? BTW 3.0.3 is out.

Yuuup! Its want to update right now but I am having too much fun with LGF and Pandora....Haaar!

re: #115 Dianna

Every one of them should lose their tax exemption.

If the law is applied, they will.

re: #114 pat
Bullshit! Rush had a poll from Ed Goaz and Lucinda Lake, one question buried deep inside has not changed for 20 years. IIRC...
Do you consider yourself
a) Conservative
b) some what conservative
c) moderate
d) somewhat liberal
e) Liberal
The answer has been within 3 perctange points for 20+ years. A and B come out to over 60%.

Let every Pee-Potistan and Crap-Canistan applaud for now. Let us see what they do under the BOOT of the MIDDLE KINGDOM. That is all.

-S-

re: #114 pat

True, but that is about how many more Dems there are in fact. It appears the movement is among the independents who appear to have lost their fear of Obama.

I read a piece a few days back - can't remember where - that pointed out that in several swing states that held their primaries later and register voters by party, like Pennsylvania, many voters switched their status to Democrat so they could vote in a primary that mattered. And they may not have switched it back, thus skewing numbers. The example I remember is that in 2006 PA was 41% Democrat, and is now supposed to be 49% Democrat, a large shift for 2 years. I have no idea how reliable this argument is...did anyone else see it?

re: #115 Dianna

Every one of them should lose their tax exemption.

But they won't...unless they are advocating McCain or not buying into the "Palin is stoooopid" bullshit

re: #122 goddessoftheclassroom

I could be way wrong on this, but i think that MUCH of the American Revolution was fostered from the pulpits of the colonies...

re: #125 LoFlyer

That's the whole point. Obama is an idiot and his media buds are UN lapdogs. Fox is the only one who will investigate, the rest accept the UN press release at face value and accept the moral equivalence of Iran to the US.
Arrrrr! It is time to break the UN global domination of tyrants!

There's so much room for John Bolton in a McCain administration. I'd love to have seen his approval numbers.

re: #112 uptight

Charles - was this before or after Indonesia asked for a special "Seat for Islam" on the UN security council?

Looks like they were having a great time, there.

He also wants to "regulate" the veto power of members of the security counsel.

re: #118 arethusa

Does anyone have an actual video/transcript of this? I've heard it rumored, but I'm not sure it makes sense. Wouldn't they be lowering his numbers as a handicap, not raising them? I mean, he won't be spotted 8 points on election day (though I'm sure he'd love to be), so what's the point?

I saw it live, but I did not Tivo it. He and McCain were already tied or McCain was slightly ahead. If they had lowered his numbers then it would have looked like McCain was winning by a landslide (not the impression they want to create) and if they monkeyed with McCain's numbers they would have been accused by McCain's campaign of falsifying them.

re: #136 arethusa

I read a piece a few days back - can't remember where - that pointed out that in several swing states that held their primaries later and register voters by party, like Pennsylvania, many voters switched their status to Democrat so they could vote in a primary that mattered. And they may not have switched it back, thus skewing numbers. The example I remember is that in 2006 PA was 41% Democrat, and is now supposed to be 49% Democrat, a large shift for 2 years. I have no idea how reliable this argument is...did anyone else see it?

My mom is one of them--she switched to Democrat so that she could vote against Hillary.

re: #133 solomonpanting

If the law is applied, they will.

Oh, please, please!

I wonder, sometimes, what ever happened to the equitable enforcement of the law.

re: #108 pingjockey

Remember 90% of the polls over sample dems to repubs by at least 10% if not more!

In the past, people far back in the polls have ended up big winners. Polls don't have to be accurate or fair—they're more of a propaganda tool.

re: #138 Wishing

I could be way wrong on this, but i think that MUCH of the American Revolution was fostered from the pulpits of the colonies...

And more than a little of it was carried out within the four walls of one church or the next. The Sons of Liberty met fairly regularly in some of the Boston churches.

re: #121 NY Nana

I'll sit in the corner! I'll even wash the dishes!

re: #139 unrealizedviewpoint

i would love to get in John Boltons head for an hour and think what he's thinking about this election.

Hugs, not bombs!

Oh wait ... hugs AND bombs.

re: #127 Edgar

Will you please give it a rest? This has nothing to do with the previous thread.

What! You're not trying to surpress my freedom of speech now, are you?

You see Edgar, you made a statement in the last thread that was ideologically bankrupt, and you cannot admit that it was. Nor do you want to reconsider the moral equlivence of your remarks.

But, at the same time, you expect everyone to simply let you go on without questioning your premises.

Nah, doesn't work that way in real life, flake.

re: #138 Wishing

I could be way wrong on this, but i think that MUCH of the American Revolution was fostered from the pulpits of the colonies...

I know Patrick Henry's Speech to the Virginia Convention was made in a church (Burton Parish in Williamsburg, I think), but it wasn't during a church service.

I'd also argue that the Constitution and tax-exempt statutes weren't established yet!

re: #138 Wishing

Not as much as you might think. There were revolutionaries in some pulpits, but many others were not, and an even larger number were neutral. Just like the population.

Though I believe there are sermons that would rather shock many of us secularists!

Do Iranians have some sort of prohibition on ties? Guy looks like a "Miami Vice" drug lord.

re: #134 pingjockey

Yes. I am aware of that poll. It is the Gallup. I am a Gallup panelist. That does not change the fact that there are more member in the Democratic party than in the GOP.

re: #142 goddessoftheclassroom

My mom is one of them--she switched to Democrat so that she could vote against Hillary.

Mine too! (Not something she ever thought she'd do.) I'm just wondering if this may be skewing the polls in PA, since presumably those who switched registrations won't be voting Democratic in November.

re: #152 BignJames

Do Iranians have some sort of prohibition on ties? Guy looks like a "Miami Vice" drug lord.

Well actually yes. The mullahs have stated that it is un-Muslim like to wear ties which imitate western styles. Really.

re: #153 pat
It is not the gallup poll. And I do not buy your statement that there are more registered dems than repubs.

OT: Wrote letters to Attorneys Bob McCulloch and Jennifer Joyce (same letter to both):

Dear Attorney McCulloch,

As I watched and listened to you speaking on KMOV recently, my blood ran cold and I got a heavy feeling in the pit of my stomach. I felt like I was no longer in the United States of America, no longer protected by the Constitution and the First Amendment. No longer in this land that has so long celebrated freedom of speech, where it has long been held by almost every citizen, and every mainstream political party, that it is far better to allow almost all speech (countering it with more speech if need be) than to go down the dangerous path of arresting and prosecuting someone as a criminal for speaking his or her mind.

Perhaps my initial response to your words was exactly what you intended. However, icy fear was soon replaced by white hot anger. How dare you! How dare you abuse the power of your office and the trust of those who elected you in this way! How dare you so cavalierly dismiss the First Amendment, for which hundreds of thousands of young men have sacrificed their lives! Your arrogance is breathtaking. You honestly believe that electing Barack Hussein Obama, friend of Communists, terrorists, and America-hating preachers, enemy of capitalism and meritocracy and still-living aborted fetuses, is so important that it is worth destroying everything this country stands for, even before he takes office.

What are you going to do, point to the Patriot Act and say Bush is doing the same thing and worse, that we already live in a “police state”? Please give me examples of the Patriot Act being used to suppress free speech. Please tell me how it has shut up Obama's shills in the print and electronic media, his unhinged liberal friends in Hollywood, and the raving lunatics who frequent DailyKos, the Huffington Post, and the Democratic Underground, not to mention Democratic politicians like Congressman John Murtha, who accused our brave Marines in Iraq of horrific atrocities without a shred of evidence.

If I had to guess, I would say you are ignorant of what a real police state is like. I would say you are shockingly ignorant of history, which is why you are able to so easily, blithely and blindly walk down this path to fascism on behalf of your chosen candidate.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you, Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Sheriff Glenn Boyera, Senator Claire McCaskill, and Senator Barack Hussein Obama know exactly what you're doing and where you're going. Either way, all of you have broken your oath to serve all the people, not just some of them, and to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Merely by attempting to chill freedom of speech, you have abused your offices and violated the public trust, and it is my sincere hope that disciplinary and legal action is taken against all of you.

An Angry Missourian,

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I know Patrick Henry's Speech to the Virginia Convention was made in a church (Burton Parish in Williamsburg, I think), but it wasn't during a church service.

I'd also argue that the Constitution and tax-exempt statutes weren't established yet!

Correct. The church was simply the largest meeting hall he could get; it was not delivered on a Sunday, even.

re: #141 galloping granny

I saw it live, but I did not Tivo it. He and McCain were already tied or McCain was slightly ahead. If they had lowered his numbers then it would have looked like McCain was winning by a landslide (not the impression they want to create) and if they monkeyed with McCain's numbers they would have been accused by McCain's campaign of falsifying them.

Do you remember which pollster it was? I'll do an internet search. Usually Fox has Rasmussen on.

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Well actually yes. The mullahs have stated that it is un-Muslim like to wear ties which imitate western styles. Really.

What about that dinner jacket then?

re: #123 Edgar

I'll keep it under consideration.

Cool mate, You will not find a better bunch than LGF'ers, if my back was up to the wall, I would want Realwast and Ironfist next to me....Come back with logic, reason and an open mind, I have been beat up on this thread me'self for some really stupid stuff I have said.....

re: #153 pat
Battle Ground Poll. I trust no damn pollsters.

re: #156 pingjockey

Unfortunately, I think if you googled registration by party, you'd find that pat's right.

re: #156 pingjockey

It is not the gallup poll. And I do not buy your statement that there are more registered dems than repubs.

Maybe it's the poll that used the code pinkos as "independants"? I don't trust any of the polls, they have been infiltrated by libs. Gallup especially.

re: #160 unrealizedviewpoint

What about that dinner jacket then?

I don't know, but I wasn't kidding about the tie. I don't have a link at hand, but if you do a little research, you will find that what I say is quite true.

re: #157 Tigger2005

Right on. Did you email a copy to Edgar?

re: #114 pat

True, but that is about how many more Dems there are in fact. It appears the movement is among the independents who appear to have lost their fear of Obama.

Many independents have had no fear of Obama in the first place, as the MSM has put a moderate stateman facemask over the head of a radical agitator with no substantive accomplishments and many dismally failing extremist outreach efforts. It's up to the McCain campain to do a better job in the next month of exposing the truth underneath.

And further assisting that movement in helping independents lose their fear? The weighted polls trying to win the argument by logical fallacy of an appeal to the masses - you'd be amazed at how many namby-pamby undecideds follow the crowds, even without a single objective or rational reason to support their decision.

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

No kiddin'? They could fashion a tasteful noose with a nice tie.

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

What! You're not trying to surpress my freedom of speech now, are you?

You see Edgar, you made a statement in the last thread that was ideologically bankrupt, and you cannot admit that it was. Nor do you want to reconsider the moral equlivence of your remarks.

But, at the same time, you expect everyone to simply let you go on without questioning your premises.

Nah, doesn't work that way in real life, flake.

Ok, fine. Carry on.

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I know Patrick Henry's Speech to the Virginia Convention was made in a church (Burton Parish in Williamsburg, I think), but it wasn't during a church service.

I'd also argue that the Constitution and tax-exempt statutes weren't established yet!

My church's rules on being non-political were in effect long before the IRS, the Constitution, or even Columbus himself. We can support or condemn policies. We can support those already in power. As for supporting people or parties contesting for a place in the government, that is strictly forbidden. (Sometimes these rules do get overlooked, however. It almost always causes trouble when that happens.)

re: #164 Dianna
Really. I find that rather unsettling. If that is the case why haven't we had an unending stream of dem Presidents?

re: #77 yochanan

Shana Tova u'Metuka to you and your family!

re: #118 arethusa

...he won't be spotted 8 points on election day...

In Ohio, he will.

re: #139 unrealizedviewpoint

There's so much room for John Bolton in a McCain administration. I'd love to have seen his approval numbers.

Yaar, mate, Bolton would be my choice, but can you imagine knee-jerk reaction of the Democrats at the thought of Bolton as SOS! There heads would explode! Haaar!

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

I don't know, but I wasn't kidding about the tie. I don't have a link at hand, but if you do a little research, you will find that what I say is quite true.

Actually.. I know what you say is true. I believe it was a topic of discussion, maybe even a thread.

re: #113 Typicalwhitey

Just got an email from the obama campaign reminding me of the cutoff date to be registered to vote in Missouri.

If he knew who I was he would NOT correspond with me LOL

Be careful now. The Missouri Thought Police will be onto you.

re: #170 Edgar

Ok, fine. Carry on.

Ok, I'm done with it. AS per loflyer, welcome aboard, most of us here have been called on the carpet, we argue here, and then we go on.

See you later.

Huh. Ran adaware, now everything looks okay. Wierd.

Now an I can look and see what the thread is about.

re: #157 Tigger2005

I regret that I have but one positive ding to give you for your letter.

These assholes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Well actually yes. The mullahs have stated that it is un-Muslim like to wear ties which imitate western styles. Really.

I wonder what they do when they come to NYC and want to eat in one of those restaurants that require a tie?

Ugh! Retch is a good word.

re: #172 pingjockey

Really. I find that rather unsettling. If that is the case why haven't we had an unending stream of dem Presidents?

A really excellent question, and one that sociologists have been digging into for ages.

The short answer? It's all tribal. We affiliate as one party or the other because our tribe does.

It doesn't actually play out as the way we vote.

There were papers about this beginning about 20 years ago. It's fun.

Grotesque and chilling. And together with inability of UN Security council to address something matters of international security like Georgia war - downright scary.

re: #175 LoFlyer

Yaar, mate, Bolton would be my choice, but can you imagine knee-jerk reaction of the Democrats at the thought of Bolton as SOS! There heads would explode! Haaar!

He would never get through the confirmation hearings. But he would make a darned fine National Security Advisor - which does not require Senate confirmation.

Thing is, she DOES know how to do this. At least, from what I've heard of her debates with her opponents in Alaska, she knows how to use a question as a springboard for what she wants to say. But she needs to learn how to transfer this skill to media interviews.

Hell, it couldn't hurt her to watch Ahmadinejad in action ... he certainly knows how to say what he wants to say, regardless of the question, and I think he'd manage this even in a hardball interview.

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Palin is not stupid, but she came across as terribly unsure and inexperienced in the Couric interview.

When Couric pressed her for examples of how McCain, as a "maverick" (how sick I am getting of that word), had pressed for "more regulation" with regard to the economy, Palin stumbled and fumbled, ending with a lame "I'll have to get back to you on that."

What she should have done is take charge of the question, thus: "You're asking a question which suggests that regulation itself is an unalloyed good. That is not the case. The question is, what sort of regulation? It was regulation, in the form of the Community Reinvestment Act, that got us into the subprime mortgage mess in the first place; John McCain tried to head off that disaster in 2005, with his initiative to change the existing regulations that were driving us off the cliff. The Congress refused to go along with him--and that is why we are here today."

Sarah Palin must learn to use the questions of interviewers as springboards for what she wants to say; to correct the false premise of the question she has been asked, and go on from there. It is not a difficult skill, but it is one which she seems to be weak on, and she does not have a lot of time to bring that skill up to speed.

Ot

Well, I'm off to the theatre to run our anti-war show tonight. If you want to read a interesting human interest story, see this article below.

Our star of the production will leave for boot camp 3 days after the show closes.

Life imitates art.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

re: #79 pat

Chop Suey here. lol

If you cook it, schlepp it from Hawaii, and it is kosher? Great!

re: #183 Dianna
Interesting.

BBL

There goes Pelosi, beginning her 'not-bringing-politics-into-this' comments on the bailout, leading right off the bat with attacks, smears and spin against the Republicans.

I hope to God that the Repubs don't reply true to their past form, responding only with acquiescence, equivocation, and appeasement.....

OOC...has any cell-phone only Lizard been polled? I can't believe that the pollsters would be ignoring that many people, especially if they random-dial.

re: #30 zombie

When I was young, I was mystified as to how anyone could have a negative opinion of the United Nations. I mean, it was a wonderful cooperative body designed to prevent war and ensure world peace! Who could be against that?

And although all (and i mean ALL) of my relatives, friends, colleagues and neighbors are still drunk on the U.N. Kool-Aid, I have seriosuly had my eyes opened.

The U.N. is now nothing more than a massive circle-jerk for Islamists and communists. Which you and I fund with our tax dollars.

The U.S. needs to immediately de-fund the U.N., expel it from New York (and the U.S.), and stop abiding by ANY U.N. treaties or agreements.

Then, start a new international organization that is limited to sane democracies. Make membership in this new group be EXCLUSIVE of U.N. membership -- i.e. you can't be a member of both.

Over time, the U.N. will become isolated as a cabal of dictatorships, communist regimes, and islamofascists.

_________________
The only problem with that is either Russia or one of the Middle Eastern muslim states would invite them. Dubai would LOVE to have the UN headquartered there. Russia would probably like to set up the UN's shop in Königsberg [Kaliningrad].
Perhaps we could convince the UN to move to an island off the US coast.
Would one of our states give up an island [not Manhattan Island]?
This would be a great way to keep an eye on everyone.

re: #157 Tigger2005

OT: Wrote letters to Attorneys Bob McCulloch and Jennifer Joyce (same letter to both):

(sniped for brevity)

Rock on dude...

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I know Patrick Henry's Speech to the Virginia Convention was made in a church (Burton Parish in Williamsburg, I think), but it wasn't during a church service.

I'd also argue that the Constitution and tax-exempt statutes weren't established yet!

and i might add, tax-exempt stuff is bird-doo...If you want to give, GIVE...sheesh

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Right on. Did you email a copy to Edgar?

I'll do that. But now I have to edit the letters to indicate who I'm CC'ing them to ... forgot that.

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

Break a leg!

re: #175 LoFlyer

Yaar, mate, Bolton would be my choice, but can you imagine knee-jerk reaction of the Democrats at the thought of Bolton as SOS! There heads would explode! Haaar!

I know, he'd never ever get the nod. He'll be ready to step-in when the fit hits the shan. He's a good man, Bolton is.

re: #185 galloping granny

He would never get through the confirmation hearings. But he would make a darned fine National Security Advisor - which does not require Senate confirmation.

Yaar, I think you are on to something, Granny! I would really like to see Bolton tear the state department a new one though! Rice is a unsatisfactory SOS, I think she bought into their elite liberal double think 100 percent!

re: #192 arethusa

OOC...has any cell-phone only Lizard been polled? I can't believe that the pollsters would be ignoring that many people, especially if they random-dial.

I got one call from some Obot as it turned out, I aborted the call.

As for Gallup being unbiased google the political contributions of their "speakers bureau", or the "gallup university" peeps.

OT:

I want to submit a link to the linkviewer, but it wants me to choose a category--but I can't see the category selector! Is this broken in Firefox 3.0.2?

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

Ot

Well, I'm off to the theatre to run our anti-war show tonight. If you want to read a interesting human interest story, see this article below.

Our star of the production will leave for boot camp 3 days after the show closes.

Life imitates art.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

You go Walt!

re: #192 arethusa

OOC...has any cell-phone only Lizard been polled? I can't believe that the pollsters would be ignoring that many people, especially if they random-dial.

I've only been polled re local elections. I'm a cellphone only voter.

And I've voted in every election since I was eligible to vote.

re: #201 vxbush

OT:

I want to submit a link to the linkviewer, but it wants me to choose a category--but I can't see the category selector! Is this broken in Firefox 3.0.2?

Nope - it is a drop down menu though

re: #195 Wishing

and i might add, tax-exempt stuff is bird-doo...If you want to give, GIVE...sheesh

Yeah, yeah. It's all so very simple! Everything's a dodge!

There's a hell of a lot more to tax exemption than just giving money.

If you really think that way, don't claim your charitable contributions on your taxes. But don't make a blanket statement like that, because you don't know what you're talking about.

re: #204 galloping granny

Nope - it is a drop down menu though

Weird. It's not showing up for me, and I've reloading this article page three or four times.

Charles? Can you please check this on your system? Using Mac OS X 10.5.5, Firefox 3.0.3.

re: #206 Dianna

I dont take em...Period.

Biden says Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 and he lies about a drunk killing his wife ad HE is a freaking genius. Couric blows

When is the VP debate?

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

One would hope--would expect--she does. But it certainly didn't come across in the Couric interview.

Here's proof that Palin can interview well - but this is just before her selection as V-P candidate. Even slams Biden at one point.

I hope that Palin shows up Thursday, and in the more time she's spending with Couric this week (ugh).

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

One would hope--would expect--she does. But it certainly didn't come across in the Couric interview.

I immediately started getting gleeful communications from people who took this as proof that Palin was "woefully unqualified," "going down," etc.--worse, that the exclusion of the press from her meetings at the UN were proof that she was "being kept under wraps" so that her awkwardness and inexperience would not become immediately obvious.

I have dismissed this in conversations, pointed out that there was no press at the Biden tete-a-tetes at the UN either, etc.--and I recognize that this is all stuff seized on by people predisposed to dislike Palin and exaggerate her failures in service of this dislike. But I wish that she'd come out like a tiger and walked off with Couric's still-dripping head clamped in her jaws, and that did not begin to happen.

And we have not seen the unedited tapes of this interview. . . . who knows what really went on. Perhaps Couric, wanting to make her mark on a very lefty network, pulled the TV version of the Atlantic pictures of McCain.

BTW, I saw that issue at BJ's the other day - horrible cover, definitely not flattering or even what he really looks like, and had a banner to the side that made it look like a total smear job.

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

One would hope--would expect--she does. But it certainly didn't come across in the Couric interview.

I immediately started getting gleeful communications from people who took this as proof that Palin was "woefully unqualified," "going down," etc.--worse, that the exclusion of the press from her meetings at the UN were proof that she was "being kept under wraps" so that her awkwardness and inexperience would not become immediately obvious.

I have dismissed this in conversations, pointed out that there was no press at the Biden tete-a-tetes at the UN either, etc.--and I recognize that this is all stuff seized on by people predisposed to dislike Palin and exaggerate her failures in service of this dislike. But I wish that she'd come out like a tiger and walked off with Couric's still-dripping head clamped in her jaws, and that did not begin to happen.

Pit Bull. She needs to come out like a Pit Bull.

re: #209 SpartanWoman

Biden says Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 and he lies about a drunk killing his wife ad HE is a freaking genius. Couric blows

Yeh and that shows that NIETHER knows US history.

re: #209 SpartanWoman

Biden says Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 and he lies about a drunk killing his wife ad HE is a freaking genius. Couric blows

ditto

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When is the VP debate?

Thursday, in St. Louis, MO. So Palin better not say anything bad about The One, or they'll drag her off stage.

/Although Biden might beat her to saying something bad about The One.

re: #208 Wishing

I dont take em...Period.

Neither do I. But that's because I think charity is charity, not a way to pay less in tax.

The thing is, I work in nonprofit world. I know how it works, and the tax-exempt business is not nonsense. It sustains the private charitable world, and keeps government's nose out of a fair amount of effective action.

re: #209 SpartanWoman

Biden says Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 and he lies about a drunk killing his wife ad HE is a freaking genius. Couric blows

Roosevelt wasn't POTUS and there was no commercial TV in 1929. All of the Fireside Chats were over the radio. Which Biden should darned well recall since he was quite old enough to listen to them. He is 69 years old.

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

October 2!

re: #217 arethusa

Thursday, in St. Louis, MO. So Palin better not say anything bad about The One, or they'll drag her off stage.

/Although Biden might beat her to saying something bad about The One.

What are you talking about? I hope she refers to him as "The One".

That'll bring 'em outta their chairs.

re: #209 SpartanWoman

Biden says Roosevelt went on TV in 1929 and he lies about a drunk killing his wife ad HE is a freaking genius. Couric blows

Roosevelt had a time machine? Cool.*

_{*There was a working television in the Us in 1928, but it was still in the novelty stage. Commercialization would have to wait ten more years.}

re: #212 galloping granny

And we have not seen the unedited tapes of this interview. . . . who knows what really went on. Perhaps Couric, wanting to make her mark on a very lefty network, pulled the TV version of the Atlantic pictures of McCain.

BTW, I saw that issue at BJ's the other day - horrible cover, definitely not flattering or even what he really looks like, and had a banner to the side that made it look like a total smear job.

I'd rather she disembowel Biden at the debate, she'd probably get lead poisoning from Couric

gah, is anyone else masochistic as I, torturing myself by watching Pelosi, Frank and Dodd, joint economic assclowns in chief, GRANDSTANDING in the live presser how they have saved Wall Street and Main Street with their genius oversight and the combined fiscal wisdom of their efforts?

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

One would hope--would expect--she does. But it certainly didn't come across in the Couric interview.

I immediately started getting gleeful communications from people who took this as proof that Palin was "woefully unqualified," "going down," etc.--worse, that the exclusion of the press from her meetings at the UN were proof that she was "being kept under wraps" so that her awkwardness and inexperience would not become immediately obvious.

I have dismissed this in conversations, pointed out that there was no press at the Biden tete-a-tetes at the UN either, etc.--and I recognize that this is all stuff seized on by people predisposed to dislike Palin and exaggerate her failures in service of this dislike. But I wish that she'd come out like a tiger and walked off with Couric's still-dripping head clamped in her jaws, and that did not begin to happen.

Yaaar, Isn't strange how liberal females all attack Palin like she is their worst nightmare. Anyone can see she has done a fine job as Alaska governor but they all act like she is Attila the Hun! Most American's see through the hypocrisy of NOW and the rest. I predict a landslide for McCain/Palin when the voters enters the booths and come to grips to who are the true patriots and are best for the country. Do not expect the traditional six month "media honeymoon" if McCain wins....

re: #195 Wishing

and i might add, tax-exempt stuff is bird-doo...If you want to give, GIVE...sheesh

"B-D" -

Tax Exempt keeps MANY Congregational Noses above water - on accounting fees if nothing else. Be careful what you wish for, reality is sometimes a Female Dog.

-S-

Biden: "I watched TV before I did not watch TV."
Biden is a compulsive liar. Obama is a pathological liar. Great team. 4 more years. Of Clinton.

re: #223 David IV of Georgia

*There was a working television in the Us in 1928, but it was still in the novelty stage. Commercialization would have to wait ten more years.

So, that's what Biden meant.

re: #225 runrabbitrun

gah, is anyone else masochistic as I, torturing myself by watching Pelosi, Frank and Dodd, joint economic assclowns in chief, GRANDSTANDING in the live presser how they have saved Wall Street and Main Street with their genius oversight and the combined fiscal wisdom of their efforts?

As long as it is the right bill, let the asses bray.

re: #214 screaming_eagle

Yeh and that shows that NIETHER knows US history.

my point exactly, but hey, Couric's probably had a passport for 40 years so that makes her a foreign policy Einstein

re: #218 Dianna

Neither do I. But that's because I think charity is charity, not a way to pay less in tax.

The thing is, I work in nonprofit world. I know how it works, and the tax-exempt business is not nonsense. It sustains the private charitable world, and keeps government's nose out of a fair amount of effective action.

Well it seems the government's nose is right in the pulpit when they dictate what can and cannot be said. My issue is primarily with a *church* tax exempt status, not necessarily a feed the children kind of outfit.

re: #195 Wishing

The ban on political speech by churches is relatively recent. It was tied into the tax laws, I think by Pres. Johnson who was getting hammered in Texas by preachers. A straight out ban would have been unconstitutional. My memory might be fuzzy so I will look into finding a link.

re: #222 ploome hineni

had McCain said that, it would have been a week long excoriation of McCain

as it was, the MSM didn't even mention it

Had McCain said that they would have made him resign over his brain damage. Which might in fact be why Biden said that. Joe Biden has had two cerebral aneurisms repaired. That requires brain surgery and is bound to cause at least some brain damage.

re: #219 galloping granny

Roosevelt wasn't POTUS and there was no commercial TV in 1929. All of the Fireside Chats were over the radio. Which Biden should darned well recall since he was quite old enough to listen to them. He is 69 years old.

Weeeeellllllll do the math Granny ... that makes him born in 1939, so he would have been only 5 when Roosevelt died ... so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that at least!

On the other hand, I was born in 1966 and was well aware by the time I was perhaps 14 or so that Roosevelt had given his speeches on radio, not TV.

re: #225 runrabbitrun

gah, is anyone else masochistic as I, torturing myself by watching Pelosi, Frank and Dodd, joint economic assclowns in chief, GRANDSTANDING in the live presser how they have saved Wall Street and Main Street with their genius oversight and the combined fiscal wisdom of their efforts?

The votes have not been counted yet. Don't I recall something about counting chickens when the eggs haven't yet hatched?

Community organization is great foreign policy background.

re: #234 galloping granny

Had McCain said that they would have made him resign over his brain damage. Which might in fact be why Biden said that. Joe Biden has had two cerebral aneurisms repaired. That requires brain surgery and is bound to cause at least some brain damage.

He was an asshole before the aneurisms

re: #235 Tigger2005

Weeeeellllllll do the math Granny ... that makes him born in 1939, so he would have been only 5 when Roosevelt died ... so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that at least!

Biden was born in 1942. He wouldn't remember Roosevelt at all.

Biden was born in November, 1942.

re: #237 pat

Community organization is great foreign policy background.

Yep, you get 100% mortgages for illegal aliens from all over the world!

re: #82 arethusa

I have a friend who has a theory about Islam that I'm not sure is correct: he argues that the basic problem with radical Islam is that Islam itself has never, unlike Judaism or Christianity, been a persecuted religion. It spread like wildfire and quickly became an officially sanctioned religion, i.e., it's never had to accommodate or co-exist with those who disagree.

I think there may be seeds of truth there, but I think overall it's simplistic and there must be counter examples of other religions. Thoughts?

If that theory is correct and persecution is part of the 'equation of religious growth statistics' I would hate to see how much digging they would have to do to get lower than they already are as they try to 'spread like wildfire'...do burning body parts flung in every direction count as missionary work then?

Democrats -- Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd -- are lying about the rescue package right now. It was all the republican's fault. Pelosi blamed Bush. Frank, who fought regulations on Fannie and Freddie, blamed deregulation for the problem. They are rejoicing that for the first time ever executive pay will be restricted by the government. Reid greatly admires Dodd and Frank. This is great: Pelosi just said that people with a conflict of interest should recuse themselves from voting. (Right, except if your husband owns shares of AMGEN, of course.) I can't listen to any more of this crap.

No one as smart as Joe Biden should believe that Roosevelt appeared on tv.

re: #238 SpartanWoman

He was an asshole before the aneurisms

ROFL

re: #235 Tigger2005

Weeeeellllllll do the math Granny ... that makes him born in 1939, so he would have been only 5 when Roosevelt died ... so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that at least!

On the other hand, I was born in 1966 and was well aware by the time I was perhaps 14 or so that Roosevelt had given his speeches on radio, not TV.

Nixon and Kennedy were the first American candidates for POTUS to appear on Television...

re: #225 runrabbitrun

I would join you, but I'm still recovering from pneumonia (even if it was more than two weeks ago). I'm much too delicate; I might relapse.

You are very brave!

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What are you talking about?

Coupla threads ago was about how MO officials were trying to crack down on criticism of Obama.

I am late & this has probably been said, but The UN should be evicted.
When the organization wqas formed it was the victorious WWII powers as permanent Security Council members along with other nations.
it's purpose was to promote peace & stability which never really worked well.
The membership has swollen with Islamic countries & other Third World thugs. It is now nothing but a forum for American & Israeli bashing in efen.
We shoud get them out & get out. Maybe an organization of democracies, as McCain suggests. But put it somewhere else.

re: #249 arethusa

Coupla threads ago was about how MO officials were trying to crack down on criticism of Obama.

They'll probably go for RICO prosecutions against offenders of "The 0ne"

re: #249 arethusa

yeah I know. But wouldn't it be priceless if Palin referred to Obama as "The One" in every reference.

re: #237 pat

Community organization is great foreign policy background.

Yaaaar! Much better than Mayor of Alaska with a population of 10 thousand! Haaar! Community organizer of pointless liberal projects that provide plenty of money for liberal elites but never get the job done....
/MSM motto: What, me tell the truth!

re: #237 pat

Community organization is great foreign policy background.

And qualifies one to be Commander in Chief

re: #82 arethusa

I have a friend who has a theory about Islam that I'm not sure is correct: he argues that the basic problem with radical Islam is that Islam itself has never, unlike Judaism or Christianity, been a persecuted religion. It spread like wildfire and quickly became an officially sanctioned religion, i.e., it's never had to accommodate or co-exist with those who disagree.

I think there may be seeds of truth there, but I think overall it's simplistic and there must be counter examples of other religions. Thoughts?

I've never heard that Buddhism was especially persecuted when it was spreading, but I could be wrong. Of course Buddhists and Confucians were and are severely persecuted by the Communists.

re: #242 Oh no...Sand People!

If that theory is correct and persecution is part of the 'equation of religious growth statistics' I would hate to see how much digging they would have to do to get lower than they already are as they try to 'spread like wildfire'...do burning body parts flung in every direction count as missionary work then?

When he says "spread like wildfire" he means the eighth century AD. Virtually eradicated the Greek culture and heritage of the Near East overnight.

re: #232 Wishing

Actually, after the sheer misery of dealing with establishment and disestablishment, and the wars of religion and everything that went with them, it became very much the interest of the church not to participate in partisan politics.

The government doesn't muzzle the church. The government protects the church from being part of the spoils of politics.

The main function of the UN is to perpetuate war.

The villages are missing their idiot.

re: #254 screaming_eagle

And qualifies one to be Commander in Chief

Because you control a veritable army of grievance mongers?

re: #238 SpartanWoman

He was an asshole before the aneurisms

Sure - assholes and zebras don't usually change their stripes. He still probably has brain damage. Maybe significant enough to cause him to misremember things like when TV was invented, who was POTUS in 1929 and just how his wife died.

re: #248 Dianna

I would join you, but I'm still recovering from pneumonia (even if it was more than two weeks ago). I'm much too delicate; I might relapse.

Terribly sorry to hear that, I had pneumonia once and it was not fun. I pray you have a speedy recovery.

re: #244 HelloDare

Democrats -- Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd -- are lying about the rescue package right now. It was all the republican's fault. Pelosi blamed Bush. Frank, who fought regulations on Fannie and Freddie, blamed deregulation for the problem. They are rejoicing that for the first time ever executive pay will be restricted by the government. Reid greatly admires Dodd and Frank. This is great: Pelosi just said that people with a conflict of interest should recuse themselves from voting. (Right, except if your husband owns shares of AMGEN, of course.) I can't listen to any more of this crap.

Well, I certainly hope the Republicans fire back, not that the MSM will let the public hear what they have to say.

Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco

Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.

Barney Frank's gamey buttocks need to be served up to the American taxpayer.

re: #253 LoFlyer

Mayors are only in charge of filling potholes and picking up trash. The "ONE" said so himself.