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Open | Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:48:12 pm PDT

I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.

Mark Twain

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1 Bobibutu  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:50:31pm

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sat. the 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

Heated swimming pool. Bring you suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

2 Mel Lono  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:54:03pm
3 Bobibutu  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:55:40pm

re: #1 Bobibutu

Gak! 25th Oct. Correction.

4 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:56:49pm

I wanna go!

I'll have to wait for the Midwest meet n' greet, I guess.

5 zombie  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:57:13pm

The Palin Song

(with apologies to Judy Garland)
(Sung to the tune of The Trolley Song)
(From the musical Meet Me in D.C.)

Sarah:
With my drop-dead figure
and my drop-dead looks
and my hair piled high upon my head

I'll get the Presidency,
White House residency
when John McCain drops dead!

Vote vote vote go the rednecks
Plop plop plop goes McCain
Me me me in the White House!
Then you liberals will start to feel pain

You'll worship God
We'll pray in schools
I'll teach that Darwin and Copernicus were fools
Your one-night stands
will have a price
You'll catch motherhood along with the crab lice

Democrats:
With his left-wing mantra
and his light brown skin
He's the One we've dreamt of all our lives

We're not about to let some
MILF like you upset him
So darling out come the knives!

Lie lie lie go the bloggers
Smear smear smear goes the press
Down down down goes your polling

As election day nears we will play on the fears of the left!
We will leave you bereft!

Sarah:
Don't you count on it
I stole your meme, I'm a dream, I'm the cream of the crop!
All the way to the top!

6 Syrah  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:59:36pm
7 Mel Lono  Sun, Sep 28, 2008 11:59:45pm

Funny how it works out. That was meant for the other thread.... Seems to fit though.

8 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:02:25am

re: #4 Irish Rose

I wanna go!

I'll have to wait for the Midwest meet n' greet, I guess.

I don't have an answer for you other than you are most welcome and expect a miracle ... ya never know.

9 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:05:06am
10 Clubsec  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:08:37am

Speaking of Mark Twain quotes ...
'Man is the only animal who blushes, or has reason to do so.'
(or words to that effect)

One of his best: 'Neither life nor property is safe when Congress is in session.' (or was that Will Rogers?)

Folks grab the vasoline and get a grip on your ankles. I fear, Pelosi, Dodd, Schumer, and Frank are going to have at us hard and heavy. After all is said and done, the MSM will make it crucial that the Republicans are held to blame.

May you live in interesting times. -Votaire

TTFN

11 zombie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:10:35am

re: #9 buzzsawmonkey

Good one, zombie!

I felt guilty putting the onus on you (I suggested you take it on), so I decided I should just do it myself.

Actually, the whole thing came to me as I was trying to fall asleep, staring at the ceiling, so I jumped up and wrote it down.

The scanning of each syllable is so perfect, I amazed even myself!

12 winston06  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:12:33am

good night every one from Banff, Alberta, Canada ;-)

13 Crux Australis  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:14:18am

Good morning/afternoon/night from Sydney, Australia.

14 Syrah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:15:20am

Signing off from the Puget Sound region.

Goodnight people.

As for the economic crisis that will rage in and out of control Monday and beyond, . . .

Don't Panic.

But don't lose sight of the exits either.

15 Crux Australis  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:15:59am

What's up with polls now?

16 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:20:19am

Sheese 1220 - nite all.

18 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:27:16am

That youtube video about him professing his reasoning is pretty funny.

I just watched the Burning Down The House video. Wow. I posted THAT on my page.

19 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:29:49am

I am trying to post a link and it is directing me to pick a catergory from the menu when I hit submit. Can someone clue me in to where this menu is?

20 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:31:59am

re: #18 TheMatrix31

Burning Down the House id downright damning and must go viral.

And here's a good reason why that video needs to go viral:

While Out Campaigning Obama Bashes McCain (Back in DC Working) For Acting "Katrina-Like" on the Financial Crisis

What a prick.

21 LeePro  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:32:24am

re: #19 Ackomanyuki

I am trying to post a link and it is directing me to pick a catergory from the menu when I hit submit. Can someone clue me in to where this menu is?

Just above the "Link Address"
It's a drop-down box.

22 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:32:37am

re: #19 Ackomanyuki

The drop down menu is next to the "submit" button.

23 LeePro  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:34:33am

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

I'm thinking now's a good time to sneak off before LoL shows up and makes me want to stay!

G'nite, {Lizards}!

[klunk]
¦·o zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

24 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:36:29am

re: #22 Sharmuta


Thanks, I just sorted it out.

25 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:38:44am

re: #23 LeePro

Just wanted to say goodnight.

27 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:51:44am

re: #26 TheMatrix31

Come on- the cover is so much better.

28 zombie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:59:36am

re: #17 Ackomanyuki

A youtube video from a conservative five percenter explaining his support for Mccain/Palin.

That is GREAT! That needs to be seen by every black Obama supporter. He is laying down the TRUTH!

29 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:00:10am

re: #27 Sharmuta

Ahahaha! I'd forgotten how much I love that video. Saved it. :)

30 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:02:24am

I propose that the bailout package limit executive severance packages to a new pair of work boots and cab fare to the Brooklyn Bridge.

That way, they will have two options for doing the right thing.

31 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:03:12am
32 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:04:44am

re: #27 Sharmuta

Come on- the cover is so much better.

"This video is not available in your country". Is it Alien Ant Farm's cover?

33 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:05:57am

re: #32 MagnaniomousCoward

Yes.

34 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:06:55am

re: #28 zombie

That is GREAT! That needs to be seen by every black Obama supporter. He is laying down the TRUTH!

I posted a link. Ding it up!

35 zombie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:10:17am

re: #34 Ackomanyuki

I posted a link. Ding it up!

Where is the link? I don't see it in the spinoffs for this thread.

36 RTLM  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:10:22am
37 zombie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:12:47am

Are: #34 Ackomanyuki

I posted a link. Ding it up!

Ah, OK, I found it in the "link viewer" and dinged it up there. But I can't figure out how it's there and not here! Doesn't matter, I guess.

38 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:13:44am

I would tend to prefer the AAF version as well, but figured you guys would like the original better.

39 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:16:33am

re: #37 zombie

A


Ah, OK, I found it in the "link viewer" and dinged it up there. But I can't figure out how it's there and not here! Doesn't matter, I guess.

Great, I was just posting directions. It looks like the third item down at present.

The link title for anyone else interested is: Video: BTW I'm Voting McCain Palin

40 RTLM  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:26:25am

Officials: 5 killed in northern Lebanon explosion

The security officials said the car packed with explosives was parked on the side of a road and detonated by remote control as the bus drove in the Bahsas neighborhood on the southern entrance to the northern port city of Tripoli.

They said the explosives used were mixed with metal balls to maximize casualties.

The blast, which tossed the car about a dozen yards, occurred during the morning rush hour, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

I think this bombing and the one in Damascus was by Hezbollah.

(not a diversion)

41 RTLM  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:29:40am

re: #40 RTLM

pimf - [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

42 devnulled  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:31:40am

In the spirit of Open Thread...

There better damn well be an October Surprise with all these unaddressed issues that Obama is mired in.

If Dukakis could lose for grinning like the tank-scooting moron he was then what the hell is wrong with the muckrakers for the GOP nowadays?

/short rant off

43 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:39:39am

So what's good progressive rock these days...

44 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:40:14am

re: #31 Sharmuta

That's the guy who smacked down Diddy!

If you haven't seen it: another one by him

A fight breaks out between Darth Barack and one of the common folk, when Obama demands his vote, and is told no!
political satirical kung fu light saber fun!

I love it! In one part, "Barack" gets out of breath while fighting, and the guy says "oh I'm sorry, are you out of breath? Do you need a breathalyzer? Or an inhalator?" ROFLOL!

45 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:51:36am

Whoa! How long has this open thread been here?

46 jonathan1984  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:52:01am

re: #45 Fenway_Nation

About two hours or so.

47 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:52:35am

re: #43 EIDE_Interface

So what's good progressive rock these days...

I would go with Muse.

48 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:57:03am

re: #47 TheMatrix31

I would go with Muse.

I was thinking the same thing... Great minds think alike!

49 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:59:39am

Well I just posted a comment on the official McCain page at YouTube for the latest ad. I fully expect to be cursed and called names, and get lots of thumbs down votes, because it seems that more leftists post comments there than Republicans. Oh well, I hope I can handle the rejection...

Everyone needs to go give it 5 stars, anyway. :)

50 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:59:41am
51 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!

52 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:00:06am

re: #1 Bobibutu

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates... My Halloween treat - so no cost to you.

Wow... ok. I prefer flying Frontier unless of course you get a better deal with some other airline.

53 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:00:24am

re: #50 TheMatrix31

A few of my favorites from them;

City of Delusion

Map of the Problematique

Muscle Museum

Dark Shines

All great of course. I love Citizen Erased - it's their prog epic. It reminds me a bit of Pink Floyd.

54 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:01:52am

Kind of a crap-tastic day in the NFL- my team didn't even play and I'm pretty sure I took a beating in the football pool (what would be the odds everyone else did worse than me?)

Between the rabbit ears, Sattelite TV and XM radio, I was flipping between all kinds of baseball games today. So the AL Central might not be decided 'til Tuesday night? So be it- I've kinda dug the one-game playoff (granted Bucky Dent was a wee bit before mytime) and last year's between the Rockies and Padres was classic.

Kinda funny how the Yankees/Red Sox went to extra innings at Fenway before Van Every won it w/ a walk-off 2-out base hit and hardly anyone seemed to give a damn after what happened with the Brewers, Mets, White Sox and Twins today. I mean, I'm sure it looked great about this time last year when they were scheduling Yanks/BoSox to finish off the regular season.....

55 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:01:59am

re: #51 littleoldlady

Hi, good to see you! Are you busy getting ready for the holiday?

/Rosh Hashana begins Tuesday, right?

56 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:02:26am

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

LOL

57 TheMatrix31  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:03:56am

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

Kind of a crap-tastic day in the NFL- my team didn't even play and I'm pretty sure I took a beating in the football pool (what would be the odds everyone else did worse than me?)

Between the rabbit ears, Sattelite TV and XM radio, I was flipping between all kinds of baseball games today. So the AL Central might not be decided 'til Tuesday night? So be it- I've kinda dug the one-game playoff (granted Bucky Dent was a wee bit before mytime) and last year's between the Rockies and Padres was classic.

Kinda funny how the Yankees/Red Sox went to extra innings at Fenway before Van Every won it w/ a walk-off 2-out base hit and hardly anyone seemed to give a damn after what happened with the Brewers, Mets, White Sox and Twins today. I mean, I'm sure it looked great about this time last year when they were scheduling Yanks/BoSox to finish off the regular season.....

Too bad for me, the Braves have been out of contention for two months now.

Last year's Rockies/Padres was unbelievable. I don't expect the same from White Sox/Twins. Just too hard to have such another awesome game.

But October is just, classic. Thank God it's almost here.

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:03:56am

re: #56 gop_patriot

LOL

That you. I just woke up to pee. Saw that there were some Lizards still awake... hi.

59 nightwatch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:04:29am

So, the day went sumthin like dis....


Shoplifting dude reached to da waist-band and a rent-o-cop with da three-50-seven loaded wit da wad-cutters drew down and ....shot da dude in the....arm. Fact is, that a wad-cutter from a 3-50-7 makes small hole on entry but carries an acre or so of flesh out the exit! so the arm has a sort of Panoramic view through it if ya know what I say.. Now this poor illegal dude is brought unto my saving grace, and it is noted that the back side of said arm is missing MAJOR physical properties.. the uniformed officer says, "If ya want the rest of it, we'll have to scrape it off at least 3 cars in the parking lot of the 99 cent store.

"Q" "Why was he shop-lifting?

"Q" Why is there a rent-o-cop packing a 3-50-7 with wad-cutters in the parking lot of a 99 cent store ?

"Q" Why is OBAMA a candidate for CIC?

THE WORLD WANTS TO KNOW........

60 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:05:02am

re: #56 gop_patriot

LOL

"That you" s/b "Thank you" Maybe I should go back to bed before I wake up?

61 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:05:03am

I can't sleep so I made some signs to put in my car tomorrow, if I can fit them in the back window:

1. Democrats caused the economic crisis by forcing banks to issue bad loans and ignoring corruption and bad management at

2. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. Barack Obama took more money from FM & FM in 4 years than other senators took in 10!

3. Two crooked former administrators at FM & FM are or have been Obama campaign advisors! Bush tried to fix problems in 2003 and McCain

4. tried to fix them in 2005 but Democrats did not cooperate! Democrats, Obama, and Socialism are not the solution!

5. Real reform, sensible regulation, and letting free markets & capitalism work is! McCain/Palin '08!

Can anyone suggest any additions or corrections (within reason)?

62 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:05:03am

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Hi Walter.

I didn't think of the whole "treat" thing. Guess I'll be flying out too. ;)

63 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:05:56am

re: #57 TheMatrix31


Last year's Rockies/Padres was unbelievable. I don't expect the same from White Sox/Twins. Just too hard to have such another awesome game.

But October is just, classic. Thank God it's almost here.

Expect the unexpected.

64 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:06:01am

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Well, not too many, I thought I'd killed the thread there for a minute. I'm good at that.

Btw, how are you recovering from your surgery?

65 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:06:19am

re: #61 Tigger2005

Wow- you going to fit all that in your car window?

66 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:07:08am

re: #62 Sharmuta

Hi Walter.

I didn't think of the whole "treat" thing. Guess I'll be flying out too. ;)

Kewl, old Bobi is going to take a big hit on this one.

67 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:07:14am

re: #36 RTLM

Syria says Islamist bomber behind deadly blast

(Zoinks!)

shocka! who would have guessed that?

/

68 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:07:20am

re: #55 gop_patriot

gop! :-)

Tonight, actually. As usual I'm way behind schedule, plus my computer decided that today was the day to begin an arm wrestling competition.

/I don't think I'm winning... :-(

69 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:07:22am

re: #65 Sharmuta

Wow- you going to fit all that in your car window?

Yeah, I may not be able to see out the back very well, but how else am I going to get the whole message across?

70 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:07:43am

Buffalo Bills are 4-0. I think they're going back to the Super Bowl. Maybe they'll meet the Cowboys again - but this time they'll win.

71 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:09:06am

re: #69 Tigger2005

Yeah, I may not be able to see out the back very well, but how else am I going to get the whole message across?

Billboard?

72 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:09:47am

re: #70 EIDE_Interface

Buffalo Bills The only NFL Team with a New York State Mailing Address are 4-0. I think they're going back to the Super Bowl. Maybe they'll meet the Cowboys again - but this time they'll win.


Thought I'd clean that up a little.

73 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:10:12am

re: #71 littleoldlady

Billboard?

LOL I don't have the cash to rent billboard space and by tomorrow I doubt I'll be able to get one on credit ...

74 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:11:13am

re: #64 gop_patriot

Well, not too many, I thought I'd killed the thread there for a minute. I'm good at that. Btw, how are you recovering from your surgery?

Ok. Althought, two days after the operation, I was all swollen up, and black and blue down to the scrotum, so I went into the acute car clinic and the nurse tells me "That's pretty normal... you'll be ok."

I told her I have a a lot of surgery in the past, including hernia surgery, and I have never bruised up like this betore.

A few days later I had my first "official" follow up visit. The nuse looked at me and said "That's not normal, but you'll be ok."

Yea, idiots. A lot of the bruising is vanishing (although my balls are still black, is that TMI) and I still have a lot of swelling.

I probably got some intern practicing. Managed care, gotta love it.

75 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:11:46am

just got back from Insane Diego.....
Fear & Agent Orange were great, as was GFI.

Dr. Know, OTOH, sucked pretty much. high point was some kick droping off the balcony into the mosh pit......... what a fool

76 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:12:00am

re: #69 Tigger2005

Yeah, I may not be able to see out the back very well, but how else am I going to get the whole message across?

Armed insurection?

77 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:12:16am

Thanks for the Fruitcup, {lol}.

78 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:12:41am

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Armed insurection?

If you got my back, let's go for it.

79 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:13:11am

re: #69 Tigger2005

Promote this link?

80 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:13:16am

Maybe it would help my typing if I turned on the lights? Nah... then I would have to wake up.

81 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:13:24am

re: #61 Tigger2005


Have you thought about getting one of those magnetic signs custom-made? Then again, you'd still have to boil it down to a few key sentences to make it have any immediate impact.

/Must be nice being a liberal...one's oh-so-nuanced-and-complex worldview seems to fit quite nicely on a simplistic platitude-laden bumper sticker.

82 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:13:43am

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Ok. Althought, two days after the operation, I was all swollen up, and black and blue down to the scrotum, so I went into the acute car clinic and the nurse tells me "That's pretty normal... you'll be ok."

I told her I have a a lot of surgery in the past, including hernia surgery, and I have never bruised up like this betore.

A few days later I had my first "official" follow up visit. The nuse looked at me and said "That's not normal, but you'll be ok."

Yea, idiots. A lot of the bruising is vanishing (although my balls are still black, is that TMI) and I still have a lot of swelling.

I probably got some intern practicing. Managed care, gotta love it.

better you than me.......

(and no, i *don't* want to feel your pain %-)

83 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:14:51am

re: #81 Fenway_Nation

Have you thought about getting one of those magnetic signs custom-made? Then again, you'd still have to boil it down to a few key sentences to make it have any immediate impact.

/Must be nice being a liberal...one's oh-so-nuanced-and-complex worldview seems to fit quite nicely on a simplistic platitude-laden bumper sticker.

mine w*rks pretty well: "BITE ME!"

%-)

84 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:16:34am

Sharmuta! :-)

85 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:16:48am

re: #82 redc1c4

better you than me....... (and no, i *don't* want to feel your pain %-)

Actually, that has been the high side of all this, I haven't had much pain at all. I have a high pain tolerance anyway.

86 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:18:08am

re: #68 littleoldlady

Tonight, actually. As usual I'm way behind schedule, plus my computer decided that today was the day to begin an arm wrestling competition.

/I don't think I'm winning... :-(

Ack, sorry to hear about your computer! I sure hope it starts running smoothly again.
And sorry you're behind schedule. Story of my life.

88 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:19:34am

Did I miss the fruit cup?

89 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:20:11am

re: #86 gop_patriot

Thanks and thanks.

/I may have to start praying a little early... ;-)

90 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:20:47am

re: #87 redc1c4

Interesting..... but i never saw this on the news.

Truth Squad this.

Ace cracks me up.

91 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:20:50am

re: #51 littleoldlady

sorry late for fruit. What!, no pineapple? Morning, maam.

92 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:21:01am

ok, back to bed.

93 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:21:46am

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

G'night, Walter. See you in Cali!

94 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:21:49am

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Ok. Althought, two days after the operation, I was all swollen up, and black and blue down to the scrotum, so I went into the acute car clinic and the nurse tells me "That's pretty normal... you'll be ok."

I told her I have a a lot of surgery in the past, including hernia surgery, and I have never bruised up like this betore.

A few days later I had my first "official" follow up visit. The nuse looked at me and said "That's not normal, but you'll be ok."

Yea, idiots. A lot of the bruising is vanishing (although my balls are still black, is that TMI) and I still have a lot of swelling.

I probably got some intern practicing. Managed care, gotta love it.

What were you operated on for?

95 Spirit93  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:22:08am

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Weet dream, Walter.

96 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:22:44am

Mel! :-)

97 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:22:55am

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

I feel for you. But my Chargers took the Raiders down in the hood. Not saying it was pretty though.

98 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:23:00am

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Yikes.

I guess if it's going away, it's not too serious. And I can't imagine that you'd let them brush you off if you thought it was serious. ;) Hope it heals up completely, and soon.

99 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:27:57am

I have to scoot in a minute. No time to read the previous thread. Can anyone give me a quick summary? Was there Lizard consensus?

/and how screwed are we?

100 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:30:20am

You all please go take a look at this -

There are a dozen or more on the same theme by the same "theme" by the same guy. Outright lies that Sarah Palin is against Jews, etc. All linked in as "related" to the neat video pasted up top.

101 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:31:16am

re: #20 Sharmuta

Well, if the 0ne's gonna use Katrina anaolgies, I guess there's nothing left to do but stand back and admire 0bama's William Jefferson-like handling of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

102 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:32:03am

re: #99 littleoldlady

I have to scoot in a minute. No time to read the previous thread. Can anyone give me a quick summary? Was there Lizard consensus?

/and how screwed are we?

Little, we are screwed enough that it really makes little difference "how much."

103 RTLM  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:32:03am

re: #99 littleoldlady

I have to scoot in a minute. No time to read the previous thread. Can anyone give me a quick summary? Was there Lizard consensus?

/and how screwed are we?

Oh, not as bad as people think.

:)

104 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:32:14am

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

and last year's between the Rockies and Padres was classic.

OH. and just so we remember.... Holland still hasn't touched the plate.

105 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:37:26am

re: #100 galloping granny

This guy has uploaded 50 videos, and they all have almost the same title. I think there are only about 3 original videos there, he just keeps uploading them over and over. What a freak.

Oh, and I've noticed that on the official McCain ad videos, most of the 'related videos' are ANTI McCain. At least the ones I've watched. I don't know how they set it up, maybe they change or rotate, and I got a bad rotation. Haven't checked Obama's official channel/ads to see if the 'related videos' are anti-Obama yet.

106 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:38:10am

re: #79 Sharmuta

Promote this link?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

OK, I tried reducing it to 3 signs:

1. Democratic social engineering policies caused our economic crisis. Bush & McCain tried to prevent it in 2003, 2005, & 2007.

2. The same party that caused the problem is now taking credit for the emergency fix that may not even work!

3. The TRUTH about our economic crisis that Democrats & the media are not telling you: (youtube link)

107 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:38:24am

re: #97 Mel Lono

The NFL awards style points now?

I made it a point to take in as much baseball on the XM radio as I could. Given the nature of the sports broadcast biz and what happened to Skip Caray last month, for all I know, this could be the last time I had a chance to listen to a Harry Kalas, Milo Hamilton or Dave Niehaus call the play-by-play live.

108 littleoldlady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:38:27am

granny! :-)

RTLM! :-)

Okay. No consensus. ;-)

Shanah Tovah, y'all!
May You Be Written and Sealed for a Good Year, Full of Good Health, Happiness and Prosperity!

Good day, ALL!™

109 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:38:38am

re: #75 redc1c4

So did you hide in the back, away from the scary people, or were you right up in it? :)

110 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:39:19am

re: #104 Mel Lono

OH. and just so we remember.... Holland still hasn't touched the plate.

Holliday?

That's OK. Barrett never had the ball anyways.

111 yochanan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:41:25am

re: #12 winston06

very nice place, great to look at but a bit pricey went through there by train a few times the train stops there for 2 hours.

112 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:41:59am

re: #110 Fenway_Nation

Holliday?

That's OK. Barrett never had the ball anyways.

The story gets better as we age.

113 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:42:02am

re: #105 gop_patriot

This guy has uploaded 50 videos, and they all have almost the same title. I think there are only about 3 original videos there, he just keeps uploading them over and over. What a freak.

Oh, and I've noticed that on the official McCain ad videos, most of the 'related videos' are ANTI McCain. At least the ones I've watched. I don't know how they set it up, maybe they change or rotate, and I got a bad rotation. Haven't checked Obama's official channel/ads to see if the 'related videos' are anti-Obama yet.

What is this - some kind of effort to appear "fair and balanced" you think?

114 yochanan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:42:50am

re: #108 littleoldlady

granny! :-)

RTLM! :-)

Okay. No consensus. ;-)

Shanah Tovah, y'all!
May You Be Written and Sealed for a Good Year, Full of Good Health, Happiness and Prosperity!

Good day, ALL!™

AND YOU AND YOURS L.O.L.

115 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:42:59am

re: #106 Tigger2005

OK, I tried reducing it to 3 signs:

1. Democratic social engineering policies caused our economic crisis. Bush & McCain tried to prevent it in 2003, 2005, & 2007.

2. The same party that caused the problem is now taking credit for the emergency fix that may not even work!

3. The TRUTH about our economic crisis that Democrats & the media are not telling you: (youtube link)

Awesome! And this way you might be able to still use your window.

116 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:43:57am

re: #108 littleoldlady

granny! :-)

RTLM! :-)

Okay. No consensus. ;-)

Shanah Tovah, y'all!
May You Be Written and Sealed for a Good Year, Full of Good Health, Happiness and Prosperity!

Good day, ALL!™

And to you too Little. Have a wonderful day.

117 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:46:48am

re: #106 Tigger2005

Where's Fox Mulder when we need him? The Truth is out there.........

118 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:47:54am

Good morning, Lizards!

119 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:51:29am

re: #118 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!

Morning Goddess. Getting ready for school? What's on the plate today for the kiddies?

120 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:51:59am

re: #118 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning- I hope you had a nice weekend.

121 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:53:52am

{galloping granny}
{Sharmuta}

Today I'm reviewing/introducing grammar concepts to 9th graders--one of my FAVORITE things to teach!

My weekend was meh, but it got better.

122 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:55:05am

I just found this from a big ad linked on the front page (top left no less!) at Ynetnews - maybe some of you folks can use something here -
[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

123 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:55:06am

re: #110 Fenway_Nation

So, since the NL West sucks this year (never a dodger fan), I'm a Cubs fan now. What say you?

124 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:56:02am

re: #121 goddessoftheclassroom

{galloping granny}
{Sharmuta}

Today I'm reviewing/introducing grammar concepts to 9th graders--one of my FAVORITE things to teach!

My weekend was meh, but it got better.

Grammar - do you use a prepared curriculum or do your own?

125 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:56:25am

re: #102 galloping granny

Little, we are screwed enough that it really makes little difference "how much."

I refuse to accept that we HAVE to accept being screwed. Americans need to make up their minds that they are not going to take it anymore. We've found it too easy, while times were good or at least not too bad, to let our elected officials get away with murder. If we don't get fully involved in the political process en masse and hold these people accountable, this is what we're going to get. There is a disturbing willingness to give in to despair and hopelessness on this blog, as if people have just given up on democracy and representative government. The bad things about this bill can be changed, fixed, or even removed, even AFTER it has been signed into law, but it will take strong and sustained effort from ALL of us to accomplish this.

As I said on a previous thread, our fathers, grandfathers, great and great-great grandfathers left their farms, businesses, homes, and families to fight and DIE for this country. Yet many of us seem to think it's just too HARD to fight the liberals, the spread of socialism & entitlements, and the culture of corruption and inertia in Washington, when the enemy is not even shooting at us (yet).

126 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:56:29am

re: #112 Mel Lono

The story gets better as we age.


Especially when the setting moves to the 2007 World Series. Red Sox made it so that it never came down to a solitary play at the plate.

127 akak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:56:38am

Morning Lizards!

Shana Tova to Jewish scaly ones!

128 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:57:18am

re: #117 Sharmuta

Where's Fox Mulder when we need him? The Truth is out there.........

Fox Mulder would blame it on the aliens and the Cigarette Smoking Man ...

129 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:57:59am

re: #123 Mel Lono

So, since the NL West sucks this year (never a dodger fan), I'm a Cubs fan now. What say you?

Oddly enough, I thought the large crimson 'B' that served as my avatar and my screen-name might be a giveaway to where my loyalties lie.

130 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:00:05am

re: #124 galloping granny

Grammar - do you use a prepared curriculum or do your own?

The core concepts for 9th grade are complex sentences with noun, adjective, and adverb clauses: defining, identifying, and creating them. However, since there's been NO continuity in our District's grammar instruction, I start with a comprehensive review to "spackle the cracks," so to speak. I wrote the review myself based on what the 11th graders in the SAT Prep class didn't know,

131 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:00:31am

re: #113 galloping granny

What is this - some kind of effort to appear "fair and balanced" you think?

I wonder! I'm heading to bed now (good Lord it's 5 in the morning), but I might check around YouTube tomorrow, to see what they consider "related videos".

Goodnight, y'all, hope everyone has a great day tomorrow. :)

132 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:00:34am

re: #128 Tigger2005

Fox Mulder would blame it on the aliens and the Cigarette Smoking Man ...

0bama smokes...... coincidence? I think not!

133 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:02:23am

re: #125 Tigger2005

I refuse to accept that we HAVE to accept being screwed. Americans need to make up their minds that they are not going to take it anymore. We've found it too easy, while times were good or at least not too bad, to let our elected officials get away with murder. If we don't get fully involved in the political process en masse and hold these people accountable, this is what we're going to get. There is a disturbing willingness to give in to despair and hopelessness on this blog, as if people have just given up on democracy and representative government. The bad things about this bill can be changed, fixed, or even removed, even AFTER it has been signed into law, but it will take strong and sustained effort from ALL of us to accomplish this.

As I said on a previous thread, our fathers, grandfathers, great and great-great grandfathers left their farms, businesses, homes, and families to fight and DIE for this country. Yet many of us seem to think it's just too HARD to fight the liberals, the spread of socialism & entitlements, and the culture of corruption and inertia in Washington, when the enemy is not even shooting at us (yet).

Now there I could not agree with you more. I just don't think there is any point in trying to quantify how much or little our "representatives" are screwing us over these days. Things have become nasty enough down in DC (and lots of other places too) that quantifying is something like being a little bit pregnant.

One lizard posted last night that he just isn't going to take it anymore. When he goes into the voting booth he is not going to be voting for many incumbents - maybe none at all.

134 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:03:19am

re: #131 gop_patriot

I wonder! I'm heading to bed now (good Lord it's 5 in the morning), but I might check around YouTube tomorrow, to see what they consider "related videos".

Goodnight, y'all, hope everyone has a great day tomorrow. :)

G'night patriot. That would be good if you could.

135 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:03:42am

re: #132 Sharmuta

0bama smokes...... coincidence? I think not!

LOL! Good Monday morning, Shar, and thanks for the spew...how are you today?

136 gop_patriot  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:04:46am

OK one more thing before I go. Check your Cadbury chocolates!

Cadbury Recalls Chinese-Made Chocolates, Safety in 'Doubt'

HONG KONG — British chocolate maker Cadbury said Monday tests have "cast doubt" on the safety of its Chinese-made products and ordered a recall, the latest foreign company affected by China's tainted milk scandal.

Tests "cast doubt on the integrity of a range of our products manufactured in China," Cadbury said without elaboration in a statement issued from its office in Singapore.

Yikes.

137 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:05:07am

re: #130 goddessoftheclassroom

The core concepts for 9th grade are complex sentences with noun, adjective, and adverb clauses: defining, identifying, and creating them. However, since there's been NO continuity in our District's grammar instruction, I start with a comprehensive review to "spackle the cracks," so to speak. I wrote the review myself based on what the 11th graders in the SAT Prep class didn't know,

Good for you! (At least your district still has grammar instruction!)

138 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:05:35am

re: #129 Fenway_Nation

Yeah, you're the wild card again. Good Karma. I'm a NL guy so I had to pick a team.

139 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:06:05am

re: #136 gop_patriot

OK one more thing before I go. Check your Cadbury chocolates!

Cadbury Recalls Chinese-Made Chocolates, Safety in 'Doubt'

Yikes.

Cadbury is made in China now? Sheesh - who knew?! Of course Hershey's is moving to Mexico so maybe I shouldn't be too surprised.

140 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:06:52am

re: #135 scottishbuzzsaw

Morning, Scotti- I'm good. How are you?

141 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:13:32am

re: #138 Mel Lono

NL....well, I have a C.C. Sabathia autographed baseball and I got Gabe Kapler's autograph earlier this year- almost got J.J. Hardy's autograph, too, but he bolted to stand on the infield with his teammates as soon as the PA announcer asked everyone to stand for the anthem.

Plus....as someone who had been waiting awhile for good things to happen, you gotta admit that 26 years between playoff appearences is a long time.

It's no 1908, but still.

142 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:14:25am

re: #139 galloping granny


Might be for the Cadbury that's distributed in Hong Kong.

143 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:16:54am

re: #140 Sharmuta

Morning, Scotti- I'm good. How are you?

I'm doing well, sweetie...catching up on the Bailout detail thread...and wondering who has cursed us with "May you live in interesting times." Very interesting indeed...

Did you have a good weekend?

144 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:17:00am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

Might be for the Cadbury that's distributed in Hong Kong.

Oh, that's true. It never even crossed my mind that Cadbury would be selling chocolates in Hong Kong. :( Coffee must be in order - apparently I am pretty obtuse this morning.

145 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:20:25am

re: #109 gop_patriot

So did you hide in the back, away from the scary people, or were you right up in it? :)

backstage...... (i *am* a scary person.%-)

146 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:24:50am

re: #143 scottishbuzzsaw

My weekend wasn't too bad. Thanks for asking.

147 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:26:24am

Good morning all. And yes, coffee may be a cure for obtuseness. At least I hope to hell it is.

148 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:27:01am

re: #141 Fenway_Nation

Always laugh at the Dodgers fans when they bring out the last series pennant. What have they done lately? Even a Padres fan can get a rise out of that, just don't call me in the morning. We're golfing.

149 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:27:06am

Good Morning Lizard Nation.
Well, we have our bail out. According to 60 Minutes last night, Pelosi is the heroine, who protected the public from evil Republicans..

150 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:27:09am

{Lucius Septimius}!

Good morning! How are you?

151 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:27:27am

re: #146 Sharmuta

My weekend wasn't too bad. Thanks for asking.

You linked to 'Highway to Hell' in that thread?! LOL!

152 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:27:33am
153 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:28:43am

re: #152 MandyManners

Hershey's not using cocoa butter in many products.

If it's not made with cocoa butter, it's not called "chocolate".

154 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:29:12am

re: #152 MandyManners

Hershey's not using cocoa butter in many products.

That explains why Hershey bars have tasted so nasty of late. I noticed last spring when we started keeping them in the house for S'mores that Hershey barely tasted like chocolate anymore.

155 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:30:27am

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

I"m doing ok. Starting Thucydides today in one class; they also have drafts due, so I have a lot of reading to do for the next few days.

How are things up your way?

156 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:31:38am

re: #153 MandyManners

If it's not made with cocoa butter, it's not called "chocolate".

Nope. Sure isn't.

Peter Paul hasn't used it in decades IIRC.

157 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:33:32am

MLB playoff tems are all set except the AL Central.
The White Sox & Twins are like the Undead, they just refuse to die.
Sox down a half game, play Detroit in a make up. If they win ,a one game play in with the Twins in Chicago.

158 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:34:47am

re: #155 Lucius Septimius

I"m doing ok. Starting Thucydides today in one class; they also have drafts due, so I have a lot of reading to do for the next few days.

How are things up your way?

School is going well.

The thing I used to hate most about drafts is that many students didn't make a real effort because they expected me to correct all their mistakes.

Now I give them a rubric checklist of what I'm grading, I check drafts for a thesis statement, supporting topic sentences, and a conclusion and then leave them to it.

College, of course, is very different, The most excruciating thing I remember is my theatre professor READING my paper aloud to me during a conference. Nonetheless, that was a very effective approach, and one of the many advantages of attending a very small college!

159 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:37:28am

re: #158 goddessoftheclassroom

I use a rubric check-list as well -- it has definitely streamlined the process.

I had a professor in college who made us make appointments to pick up our midterms. We sat down and he went through each question I got wrong and asked "why did you write that?"

It was excruciating.

160 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:37:53am

re: #147 Lucius Septimius

Good morning all. And yes, coffee may be a cure for obtuseness. At least I hope to hell it is.

You and me both. It has served me well over the years. One of my daughters is working 60 hours a week and going to college full time to boot - as a physics major no less. When she bemoaned her lack of sleep yesterday I told her that there was a reason that I drank coffee by the gallon from an IV drip when I was doing that: 45 minutes sleep between 2:25 and 3:00 am. LOL

161 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:38:30am
British chocolate maker Cadbury said Monday that tests have "cast doubt" on the safety of its Chinese-made products and ordered a recall, the latest foreign company affected by China's tainted milk scandal.
Meanwhile, two U.S. food makers were investigating Indonesian claims that high traces of melamine were found in Chinese-made Oreos, M&Ms and Snickers.


Thank God they didn't put lead in those products.

My high school figure is already hurting.

162 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:39:42am

We will soon be living in a pretty bad neighborhood. Russia is going to build a nuclear reactor for Venezuela.
We don't have to be concerned though, Chavez says it is just for peaceful use. So, all is well. Uh huh, all that oil & Hugo needs nuclear power.

163 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:41:54am

re: #158 goddessoftheclassroom

School is going well.

The thing I used to hate most about drafts is that many students didn't make a real effort because they expected me to correct all their mistakes.

Now I give them a rubric checklist of what I'm grading, I check drafts for a thesis statement, supporting topic sentences, and a conclusion and then leave them to it.

College, of course, is very different, The most excruciating thing I remember is my theatre professor READING my paper aloud to me during a conference. Nonetheless, that was a very effective approach, and one of the many advantages of attending a very small college!

I don't suppose you would like to pass over that rubric? I'll trade you for the best little guide to logical argument I've come across :)

/A Rulebook for Arguments. Cheap and short. I liked it so well and all of my kids (who are either in college themselves or write for a living) borrowed it so much I went back and ordered a half dozen more copies.

164 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:42:53am

re: #162 opnion

You can already hear it.

If the U.S. would have talked nicely to Mr. "I smell sulfur" Chavez, this would have not happened.

The Democratic foreign policy brief is simple:

Preemptive surrender will bring peace.

/grabs fruit cup and coffee, grumbles

165 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:43:22am

re: #162 opnion

We will soon be living in a pretty bad neighborhood. Russia is going to build a nuclear reactor for Venezuela.
We don't have to be concerned though, Chavez says it is just for peaceful use. So, all is well. Uh huh, all that oil & Hugo needs nuclear power.

Like I said last night, not to worry. Money crisis will be off the news cycle by Wednesday and Russia was steaming nuclear vessels into our ocean. That is John McCain's bailiwick.

166 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:43:28am

re: #148 Mel Lono


You're a Padres fan- you might appreciate this. I went to all three games of that Red Sox/Padres series at PetCo last year. I had an armload of stuff that I brought with me on the off chance that I might get some of it autographed. As I parked the car, I was listening to the Padres pre-game show and heard that Tony Gwynn was filling in for the regular hosts. I didn't give it much thought until I walked by one of the hotels by the Convention Center. There was the radio station's banner and sure enough, they were doing the pre-game show live from the hotel's bar. While waiting for a commerical break, I dug around a little and pulled out a Rawlins baseball that Tony autographed for me when he wasn't on the air.

Turns out it was the only autograph I was able to get that weekend- Padres or Red Sox.

167 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:44:08am

Study shows that" the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians."

This was interesting:


Surprisingly, while increased church attendance and membership in a conservative denomination has a powerful negative effect on paranormal beliefs, higher education doesn't. Two years ago two professors published another study in Skeptical Inquirer showing that, while less than one-quarter of college freshmen surveyed expressed a general belief in such superstitions as ghosts, psychic healing, haunted houses, demonic possession, clairvoyance and witches, the figure jumped to 31% of college seniors and 34% of graduate students.
168 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:44:43am

re: #164 unclassifiable

You can already hear it.

If the U.S. would have talked nicely to Mr. "I smell sulfur" Chavez, this would have not happened.

The Democratic foreign policy brief is simple:

Preemptive surrender will bring peace.

/grabs fruit cup and coffee, grumbles


Probably. Obama blamed the Russian invasion of Georgia, on the US setting a "Bad Example" in Iraq.

169 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:45:03am

re: #161 ibmkeyboard

Thank God they didn't put lead in those products.

My high school figure is already hurting.

Oh boy! I guess all the kiddies will be getting little cans of playdoh or cute pencils at our house this Halloween.

/So glad the daughter is allergic to chocolate!

170 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:45:12am

re: #163 galloping granny

Here are my grading standards.

171 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:45:38am

re: #162 opnion

We will soon be living in a pretty bad neighborhood. Russia is going to build a nuclear reactor for Venezuela.
We don't have to be concerned though, Chavez says it is just for peaceful use. So, all is well. Uh huh, all that oil & Hugo needs nuclear power.

Just hope they don't let the Three Stooges operate it like in Chernobyl.

When do the centrifuges start spinning?

172 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:46:15am

re: #165 galloping granny

Like I said last night, not to worry. Money crisis will be off the news cycle by Wednesday and Russia was steaming nuclear vessels into our ocean. That is John McCain's bailiwick.


Barry will need another bracelet. This time he should memorize the name.

173 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:47:02am

re: #170 Lucius Septimius

Here are my grading standards.

Super! Thanks Lucius. Do you mind if I print out a copy for the kiddo?

174 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:47:25am

Italian bloggers are up in arms at a court ruling early this year that suggests almost all Italian blogs are illegal. This month, a senior Italian politician went one step further, warning that most web activity is likely to be against the law.

The story begins back in May, when a judge in Modica (in Sicily) found local historian and author Carlo Ruta guilty of the crime of "stampa clandestina" – or publishing a "clandestine" newspaper – in respect of his blog. The judge ruled that since the blog had a headline, that made it an online newspaper, and brought it within the law’s remit.

The penalties for this crime are not onerous: A fine of 250 Euros or a prison sentence of up to two years. Carlo Ruta was fined and ordered to take down his site, which has now been replaced by a blank page, headed "Site under construction", and a link directing surfers to his new site. Hardly serious stuff – except that he now has a criminal record, and his original site has disappeared.

The offence has its origins in 1948, when in apparent contradiction of Article 21 of the Italian Constitution guaranteeing the right to free expression, a law was passed requiring publishers to register officially before setting up a new publication. The intention, in the immediate aftermath of Fascism, may have been to regulate partisan and extremist publications. The effect was to introduce into Italian society a highly centrist and bureaucratic approach to freedom of the Press.

A further twist to this tale took place in 2001, with the realisation that existing laws were inadequate to deal with the internet. Instead of liberalising, the Italian Government sought to bring the internet into the same framework as traditional print media. Law 62, passed in March 2001, introduces the concept of "stampa clandestina" to the internet.

SNIP

175 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:48:10am

re: #169 galloping granny

Oh boy! I guess all the kiddies will be getting little cans of playdoh or cute pencils at our house this Halloween.

/So glad the daughter is allergic to chocolate!

I wish mine were.
We just checked a Dollar General candy bar,

Made In China.

sheeesh!

176 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:49:12am

re: #173 galloping granny

No problemo.

Most of the info in there comes from many years of reading papers, as well as my own student experience. Nearly all of the comments in the "composition" section are based on comments I received on papers.

177 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:49:42am

re: #160 galloping granny

45 minutes sleep between 2:25 and 3:00 am. LOL

You mean you're so accelerated by the coffee that you get 45 minutes sleep in a 35 minute interval?

178 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:49:43am
179 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:50:18am

re: #169 galloping granny

Oh boy! I guess all the kiddies will be getting little cans of playdoh or cute pencils at our house this Halloween.

/So glad the daughter is allergic to chocolate!


Kids just love a scoop of ice cream in their trick or treat bags!

180 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:50:27am

re: #178 galloping granny

Reason 24, 973 to be so very grateful that I was born and live in the United States of America!

As soon as Barry Hussein is elected, that benefit will cease to exist. Count on it.

181 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:50:53am

re: #168 opnion

Probably. Obama blamed the Russian invasion of Georgia, on the US setting a "Bad Example" in Iraq.

Eeeeek. This guy is truly scary.

182 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:51:41am

re: #177 Moe Katz

You mean you're so accelerated by the coffee that you get 45 minutes sleep in a 35 minute interval?

That too - though inability to function as yet is a product of lack of caffeine. I'm not motivated enough to get out of the chair.

/That heavens it was you who caught my lousy addition and not the kiddo! I guess I had better get a move on before I start teaching math. Usually works best if you actually know something about what you're teaching.

183 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:52:42am

re: #181 Moe Katz

Eeeeek. This guy is truly scary.

He thinks that we need to be punished & Michelle agrees.

184 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:53:00am

Time to get ready to go to work. Long day ahead of me.

Later, all.

185 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:53:13am

re: #180 Lucius Septimius

As soon as Barry Hussein is elected, that benefit will cease to exist. Count on it.

I'm hoping that the signs of rebellion I keep seeing and hearing are going to result in an awful lot of incumbents out on their ears and a big surprise for Barry concerning his moving plans.

186 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:54:17am

re: #182 galloping granny

That too - though inability to function as yet is a product of lack of caffeine. I'm not motivated enough to get out of the chair.

/That heavens it was you who caught my lousy addition and not the kiddo! I guess I had better get a move on before I start teaching math. Usually works best if you actually know something about what you're teaching.

I've actually been admiring your intellect on these early morning posts, this glitch notwithstanding. Pity we're on different cycles.

187 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:56:03am

re: #183 opnion

He thinks that we need to be punished & Michelle agrees.

There was some sort of collective guilt thing with Carter too. The result may be similar national acts of self-abasement.

188 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:57:43am

re: #174 MandyManners

I'm sure that hag Sgrena's Il Manifesto rag would be exempt if it had a blog.

189 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:58:22am

re: #186 Moe Katz

I've actually been admiring your intellect on these early morning posts, this glitch notwithstanding. Pity we're on different cycles.

Why thank you! My cycle tends to change some with the season so maybe we'll run into each other more often.

190 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:58:46am

re: #187 Moe Katz

There was some sort of collective guilt thing with Carter too. The result may be similar national acts of self-abasement.

Yeah, Carter somehow thought that we needed some sort of weird cleansing. Instead of solving problems, he liked to lecture.
The Obamas seem to be another degreee. There are racial & class warfare components.

191 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:00:05am

re: #189 galloping granny

Why thank you! My cycle tends to change some with the season so maybe we'll run into each other more often.

Let's hope so. I just woke up because my nose got too stuffed up from this sinus cold. I'll be heading back to bed for now.

192 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:00:09am
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said Sunday his Republican rival John McCain deserves no credit for helping to forge a tentative agreement on the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street.


With about 90 percent of voters against this bailout,

I guess McCain should appreciate comments like that.

193 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:01:17am

re: #183 opnion

He thinks that we need to be punished & Michelle agrees.

My husband and I, over the weekend, were trying to remember the last time the liberal/left acted in America's best interest...we went back a few decades and came up empty handed.

194 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:02:19am

re: #193 scottishbuzzsaw

My husband and I, over the weekend, were trying to remember the last time the liberal/left acted in America's best interest...we went back a few decades and came up empty handed.

Maybe all of the way back to FDR?

195 Crux Australis  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:02:35am

My take on Obama -

He's like a used car salesman who is trying to sell you a car that isn't quite right and he lies through his teeth in the process.

196 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:02:46am

re: #192 ibmkeyboard

With about 90 percent of voters against this bailout,

I guess McCain should appreciate comments like that.

That is a good way to look at it.

197 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:04:17am

If you do not feel good about the bailout, buck up,
Nancy Pelosi calls it a 'Buy in." See, thats better.

198 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:05:49am

I hope Gov. Palin jacks up Biden on economics and the DNC's role in this crisis.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:06:09am

Howdy my Lizard friends.

200 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:06:22am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

I'm sure that hag Sgrena's Il Manifesto rag would be exempt if it had a blog.

I have no idea what that's about.

201 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:06:32am

Jesus Christ ... I know this guy is selling something, but this is such scary shit I nearly crapped my pants.

Since first warning my subscribers to follow the smart money fleeing the dollar more than three years ago, the greenback has lost 40% of its value against gold. Now I am issuing a Four-Point Storm Warning Alert: Make Preparations Now, or Face Becoming A Pauper Overnight!
National bankruptcy and financial chaos are here. The politicians are preparing a draconian emergency response which will loot your assets and seriously undermine your freedom...
You need a plan. NOW!
We face a financial implosion of the American Dream on a scale that truly dwarfs the gas shock and out-of-control inflation of the '70s...
...the Savings and Loan failures of the '80s and '90s...
...or any other financial crisis our nation has faced since the Great Depression itself!
You know big trouble is brewing when top federal Comptroller General (David Walker) recently quit in frustration because as our government's top accountant had warned in vain – the nation's finances are going over a cliff and no one is acting to stop it...
...or a recent finding by the Congressional Budget Office that the federal insolvency crisis is so deep every U.S. household would have to cough up half-a-million dollars each just to save the federal government from bankruptcy! (And, as I show you shortly, the financial debt leverage of U.S. consumers themselves is even more scary.)
Now the word "Depression" is a strong term. But the "D-word" is exactly what's being bandied about by a surprising number of experts. Read on, because I name names!
Look Who Also Sees a
"Perfect Economic Storm" Building
A significant number of former high-level U.S. officials share my alarm that a "perfect storm" of financial woes are finally starting to catch up with the U.S. economy.
Unfortunately, because so many of these former insiders are no longer in a position of authority, the mainstream financial media rarely quote their blunt statements about dark storm clouds building over our economy.
For example, Former Treasury official (and now columnist) Paul Craig Roberts, recently said "Financially the U.S. is not an independent country... the U.S. is bankrupt."
Very recently, former Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Paul Volcker stunned conferees of the prestigious New York Economic Club with this comment about the emerging dollar and bankruptcy crisis, "You don't have to predict it. We're in it."
High-profile international capital giants such as Barclays Capital are now advising their elite clientele to "batten down the hatches for a worldwide financial storm." Departing from its typically diplomatic tone, Barclays Capital added that the U.S. Federal Reserve has allowed the inflation genie out of its bottle and let its credibility fall "below zero."
My name is Lee Bellinger, publisher of the monthly financial, health, and taxation intelligence advisory Independent Living. In my two decades of publishing discreet information about government threats to your liberty, health, and prosperity, never have we produced as important a document as my best-selling new mega-manual, The National Bankruptcy Survival Guide: Everything You Need to Invest Wisely, Live Comfortably, and Retire Worry-Free During the Coming Inflationary Depression.

202 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:07:21am

re: #195 Crux Australis

My take on Obama -

He's like a used car salesman who is trying to sell you a car that isn't quite right and he lies through his teeth in the process.

Funny, that's the first thing that came to my mind when he stepped onto the national stage...

203 Crux Australis  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:08:31am

re: #193 scottishbuzzsaw

When has the liberal/left ever done anything in their own countries interest?

It seems to be a global epidemic unfortunately.

204 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:12:30am

re: #203 Crux Australis

When has the liberal/left ever done anything in their own countries interest?

It seems to be a global epidemic unfortunately.

Yes, it does. Very similar to how the progressive/fascist movement in the early 20th century was a world-wide event...this is not comforting.

205 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:14:05am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Howdy my Lizard friends.

Good morning, FBV...how are you today?

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:14:13am

re: #201 Tigger2005

Hey Tigger. Where is this available?

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:15:25am

re: #205 scottishbuzzsaw

Good morning, FBV...how are you today?

Still a little "groggy". Dog didn't seem to have any problem going right back to sleep. Me? Sitting on the couch with you, so I must be fine.

208 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:15:27am

From a link up top that is at best disturbing -

The administration tells us that the government is going to make money for the taxpayers on this deal. Really? I think, by most measures, that is called socialism. It has failed every time it has been tried. Capitalism fails when it evolves toward socialism. I would defy anyone to show me a financial deal in which the federal government bought property cheaper from a ready willing and able seller or sold property for more than a ready, willing and able seller could have than a private entity.

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

209 Crux Australis  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:15:43am

Would you believe that 2 networks in Australia are televising the VP debate. They aren't televising the Presidential debates.

I wonder why not?

210 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:15:46am

re: #201 Tigger2005

Link?

211 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:15:59am

Killgore's Vacation update (for those who give a shit).....
Still in Mauririus having a nice time. I stopped my another mosque today in Grand Bai. Very large, very new, very loud call to prayer. There was a little kiosk out front so I stopped to look. They had a pile of DVD sermons from Khalid Yasin for abot $3 each. I picked out a few ("Issues deviding the Ummah" and "Islam and the Media"). When I went to give the guy his money he said, "not for you" and took the DVDs from me.

Other than that the Mauritians are mostly Hindu, very shy and practical buisiness like people. Friendly, helpful but not overly polite ass kissers. The fish are freshand women are slim, beatiful and modest.

I have the Nipple Song stuck in my head.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:16:29am

re: #210 MandyManners

Hey Mandy! Whodathunk Tigger was a big shot publisher?

213 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:16:37am

re: #209 Crux Australis

Would you believe that 2 networks in Australia are televising the VP debate. They aren't televising the Presidential debates.

I wonder why not?

Gov. Palin.

214 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:18:02am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Why did he take them from you? Because you don't "look" Muslim?

Have a great and safe time!

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:18:34am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Keep safe Kilgore. Come back to us.

216 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:19:13am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Wow! Not for infidels! What a wonderful religion of tolerance!

217 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:19:37am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

And of course some of us give a shit.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:20:22am

re: #216 Sharmuta

Wow! Not for infidels! What a wonderful religion of tolerance!

Perhaps he thought KT looked a bit, uh, shall we say, "un-terrorist".

219 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:20:41am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Killgore's Vacation update (for those who give a shit).....
Still in Mauririus having a nice time. I stopped my another mosque today in Grand Bai. Very large, very new, very loud call to prayer. There was a little kiosk out front so I stopped to look. They had a pile of DVD sermons from Khalid Yasin for abot $3 each. I picked out a few ("Issues deviding the Ummah" and "Islam and the Media"). When I went to give the guy his money he said, "not for you" and took the DVDs from me.

Other than that the Mauritians are mostly Hindu, very shy and practical buisiness like people. Friendly, helpful but not overly polite ass kissers. The fish are freshand women are slim, beatiful and modest.

I have the Nipple Song stuck in my head.

How very strange. Too bad there isn't someone you can send down to buy those DVDs for you.

/I wonder what is on them the guy is trying to hide?

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:22:37am

Uh, thanks KT. Now I have the "Nipple Song" stuck in my head too. That is hysterical!

221 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:22:39am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Khalid Yasin's a Twoofer.

There has been no evidence that has surfaced, no bona fide irrevocable, irrefutable evidence that had been surfaced that showed that there is a group called al-Qa'ida that did the September 11 bombings. I'm of the opinion there was a rogue operation that took place. Now, to go beyond that would say I would have to have some evidence, which I don't... An operation that took place with the complicity of some very sophisticated entities other than some middle aged, Middle Eastern guys on an airplane, or being orchestrated by someone in a cave in Iraq with a walkie-talkie.[11]

Regarding the collapse of the World Trade Center following the impacts from the Aircraft, Yasin stated that "We now know that the way that the World Trade Center fell the way that those buildings fell — they seem like they fell from internal explosive charges, the same way it's done in a construction site."[11]

Maybe I've missed him but, I had not idea who this American was.

222 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:22:57am

re: #151 scottishbuzzsaw

You linked to 'Highway to Hell' in that thread?! LOL!

Hell Yes!

223 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:23:55am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Tigger. Where is this available?

It was from GOPUSA Business E-mail List.

[Link: store.americanlanternpress.com...]

224 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:24:40am

re: #219 galloping granny

How very strange. Too bad there isn't someone you can send down to buy those DVDs for you.

/I wonder what is on them the guy is trying to hide?

I wonder if there's a bell-boy wanting to make a tidy tip.

225 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:24:57am

re: #214 MandyManners

I'm pretty sure he knew what I was looking for in those DVD's. I didn't recognize the name at the time (I had to google when I got back to the house). Now I'm really sorry he wouldn't sell them to me. I strongly suspect the Mosques here are Wahabi funded.

226 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:25:20am

re: #224 MandyManners

I wonder if there's a bell-boy wanting to make a tidy tip.

I did find the "Islam and the Media" DVD on Youtube.

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:26:08am

re: #210 MandyManners

Link?

Mandy, closest link I could find...

228 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:26:09am

re: #221 MandyManners

I think we've had threads on him before and I think he was featured in the first "Undercover Mosque" episode.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:27:05am

re: #223 Tigger2005

It was from GOPUSA Business E-mail List.

[Link: store.americanlanternpress.com...]

Wait a minute. Tigger? You not Lee Bellinger?

230 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:27:12am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Send someone to buy them for you!

231 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:27:18am

re: #226 galloping granny

I did find the "Islam and the Media" DVD on Youtube.

Let me guess: The Jooos control the media?

232 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:27:57am

re: #230 MandyManners

I'm not sure it's worth it. The videos are probably available online for free.

233 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:28:54am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Let me guess: The Jooos control the media?

It is pretty long - cut up in parts - so I haven't listened to it.

234 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:29:12am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're welcome.
;)

235 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:29:15am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure it's worth it. The videos are probably available online for free.

Well, I'm stubborn enough to resort to Lucy-levels to get something when I'm refused.

236 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:29:19am

So, I just sent my sister who thinks she wants to vote for Obama this link - [Link: www.barackobamatest.com...]

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:30:07am

re: #229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait a minute. Tigger? You not Lee Bellinger?

Seriously, I thought you have made that post of of desperation. Thought you had gone "Jim Cramer" on us.

238 jim in virginia  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:31:00am

Morning all. Looks like a lovely day here in the DC 'burbs. Weekend rains are gone, sun is rising.
Lucius! Long time no see. How are the kiddos?

239 Tamron  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:31:52am

QUESTION: Why does the recently passed housing bill have a hidden provision requiring that ALL credit card transactions in the US, be reported to the IRS?

H.R. 3221, the “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008,” passed the House on July 23, 2008 by a vote of 272-152. On July 26, 2008 the Senate passed the bill by a vote of 72-13. The President signed the bill on July 30, 2008.

Hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation [HR 3221] is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America's small businesses.

As FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey commented: "This is a provision with astonishing reach, and it was slipped into the bill just this week. Not only does it affect nearly every credit card transaction in America, such as Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express, but the bill specifically targets payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout that are used by many small online businesses. The privacy implications for America's small businesses are breathtaking."

From the Senate Bill Summary:

Payment Card and Third Party Network Information Reporting. The proposal requires information reporting on payment card and third party network transactions. Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee.

Reportable transactions include any payment card transaction and any third party network transaction. Participating payees include persons who accept a payment card as payment and third party networks who accept payment from a third party settlement organization in settlement of transactions.

A payment card means any card issued pursuant to an agreement or arrangement which provides for standards and mechanisms for settling the transactions. Use of an account number or other indicia associated with a payment card will be treated in the same manner as a payment card. A de minimis exception for transactions of $10,000 or less and 200 transactions or less applies to payments by third party settlement organizations.

The proposal applies to returns for calendar years beginning after December 31, 2010. Back-up withholding provisions apply to amounts paid after December 31, 2011. This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years.


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240 jim in virginia  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:33:32am

re: #190 opnion

Yeah, Carter somehow thought that we needed some sort of weird cleansing.


"Cleansing" reminds me of colonoscopy prep, and the fact that some people pay for spa treatments that include that

241 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:35:42am

re: #239 Tamron

the bill specifically targets payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout that are used by many small online businesses. The privacy implications for America's small businesses are breathtaking.

Wow! Why is this the government's business? How much tax money will be used to keep track of this? How many trees will die for the paper-work?

242 quickjustice  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:36:45am

re: #201 Tigger2005

Uh, respectfully, we're already over the cliff and in mid-air. The only question right now is, how hard a landing will it be?

That fear-monger is WAY too late. The only thing that could have avoided this was a degree of self-denial, self-discipline, and fiscal integrity not encouraged in consumer societies.

Time to pay the piper after a long collective binge. The good news: we can and will do it!

243 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:37:56am

I looks like Pres. Bush got some sleep this weekend. He looked like shit last week.

244 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:39:42am

re: #242 quickjustice

Uh, respectfully, we're already over the cliff and in mid-air.

I'm reminded of Calvin and Hobbes in their red wagaon.

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:40:01am

To the tune of

"Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home."

Be it ever so crumbly;
There's no place like Rome.
Nero He was the ruler;
And the palace was his home.
But, he liked to play with matches;
And for a fire he yearned.
So he burned Rome to ashes;
And fiddled while it burned.

Bugs Bunny was a freakin' Nostradamus. And we've got a freakin' pile of Neros.

246 quickjustice  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:42:02am

re: #243 MandyManners

It's tough to keep all the balls in the air. He finally got Iraq right, only to have the economy tank. He's not personally to blame, but we all were distracted from the economy by the furious fight over the Iraq insurgency and the rosy reports coming out of the financial press.

247 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:44:47am

Right-wing parties make big gains in Austria

If we have to re-invade these pricks again I'm really gonna be pissed.

248 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:46:59am

Well the early markets are dumping out anyway.

Looks like a hard fall is going to happen, folks.

Best advice I can give is take the long run view, keep working if you can, don't go into anymore debt, and hang on.

I still think some of the downfall could be softened if the eliminated the "mark to market" requirement.

Also, if the FDIC would raise the insurance limit on deposits to $1 that should stop some of the cash run going on against the banks.

But at this point, with all the bad news and all the screwing around by Congress and finger pointing, you have a stampede going on.

Good luck and hang in there.

249 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:47:42am

This whole mess is playing into Obama's playbook. He comes across as" I told you the GOP isn't capable of handling the economy". In the meantime, we have McCain unable (for what reason I can't image) to attach the democrats for their hand in this. He needs to yell loud and clear. Start naming names, McCain or you are toast!
what is he waiting for? If he makes a big enough stink, the MSM will have to show it and maybe, just maybe, the truth can trickle out.

250 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:48:04am

I mean to raise the FDIC insurance to $1 million

251 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:48:33am

ACORN on Fox. James Perry calls it corrupt and that it will benefit from the crisis that it helped create.

When will Fox mention BHO and his representation of ACORN?

252 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:48:57am

re: #246 quickjustice

It's tough to keep all the balls in the air. He finally got Iraq right, only to have the economy tank. He's not personally to blame, but we all were distracted from the economy by the furious fight over the Iraq insurgency and the rosy reports coming out of the financial press.

It must be the toughest job in the world.

253 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:51:23am

re: #248 3 wood

Well the early markets are dumping out anyway.

Looks like a hard fall is going to happen, folks.

Best advice I can give is take the long run view, keep working if you can, don't go into anymore debt, and hang on.

I still think some of the downfall could be softened if the eliminated the "mark to market" requirement.

Also, if the FDIC would raise the insurance limit on deposits to $1 that should stop some of the cash run going on against the banks.

But at this point, with all the bad news and all the screwing around by Congress and finger pointing, you have a stampede going on.

Good luck and hang in there.

If this is going to happen anyway maybe they should just skip the bailout. . . . yeah, right.

254 Tamron  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:51:25am

THE UNKNOWN 20 TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
by Flemming Funch
2003-10-30

There is a busy little private company you probably never have heard about, but which you should. Its name is the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation. See their website. Looks pretty boring. Some kind of financial service thing, with a positive slogan and out there to make a little business. You can even get a job there. Now, go and take a look at their annual report. Starts with a nice litte Flash presentation and has a nice message from the CEO. And take a look at the numbers. It turns out that this company holds 23 trillion dollars in assets, and had 917 trillion dollars worth of transactions in 2002. That's trillions, as in thousands of thousands of millions. 23,000,000,000,000 dollars in assets.

As it so turns out, it is not because DTCC has a nice website and says good things about saving their customers money that they are trusted with that kind of resources. Rather it is because they seem to have a monopoly on what they do. In brief, they process the vast majority of all stock transactions in the United States as well as for many other countries. And - and that's the real interesting part - 99% of all stocks in the U.S. appear to be legally owned by them.

In the old days, when you owned stocks you would have the stock certificates lying in your safe. And if you needed to trade them, you needed to get them shipped off to a broker. Nowadays that would be considered very cumbersome, and it would be impractical to invest via computer or over the phone. So the shortcut was invented that the broker would hold your stocks instead of you. And in order for him to legally be able to trade them for you, the stocks were placed under their "street name". I.e. they're in the name of the brokerage, but they're just holding them in trust and trading them for you. And you're in reality the beneficiary rather than the owner. Which is all fine and dandy if everything goes right. Now, it appears the rules were then changed so the brokers are not allowed any longer to put the stocks in their own name. Instead, what they typically do is to put the stocks into the name of "Cede and Company" or "Cede & Co" or some such variation. And the broker might tell you that it is just a fictitious name, and will explain why it is really more practical to do that than to put it in your name.

The problem with that is that it appears that Cede isn't just some dummy name, but an actual corporation that DTCC controls. And, well, if you ask anybody about this, who actually knows about it, they will naturally tell you that it is all a formality. To serve you better, of course. And, well, maybe it is. DTCC seems like a nice and friendly company. It is a private company, owned by the same people (major U.S. banks) who own the Federal Reserve Bank. And if they all stick to their job, and just keep the money and your stocks flowing smoothly, I'm sure that is all well and good. But if somebody at some point should decide otherwise, and there's a national U.S. emergency and/or the U.S. government becomes unable to pay its debts, well, they might just not give you your stocks back. Because legally they own them. Something to think about.


(Reminder: This article was written in 2003)
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255 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:55:11am

Fox is the only one on the TV that is talking about ACORN, and just like the web...we are preaching to the choir. It will take something "newsworthy", like a press statement from McCain or someone that can pull the critical media's attention.

Hummm...maybe someone like Sarah? Let her loose, John!

256 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:55:20am

re: #249 Beach Lover

This whole mess is playing into Obama's playbook. He comes across as" I told you the GOP isn't capable of handling the economy". In the meantime, we have McCain unable (for what reason I can't image) to attach the democrats for their hand in this. He needs to yell loud and clear. Start naming names, McCain or you are toast!
what is he waiting for? If he makes a big enough stink, the MSM will have to show it and maybe, just maybe, the truth can trickle out.

Maybe he is waiting to get people on records with their vote. Especially Barry, who announced he was leaving DC and didn't intend to vote unless they needed him. That was early yesterday or the night before.

Late yesterday Nancy Pelosi stated that those who had conflicts of interest with this legislation should not vote.

Leaving us with only two choices -

1.) Barry didn't bother to cast a vote, therefor he admits that he has conflicts of interest in the matter (now there is some ammunition!)

2.) Barry has to vote up or down and take the responsibility for his vote. No coming back later shoving the responsibility off to someone else.

Win/win by the way I see it.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 4:55:34am

re: #252 MandyManners

It must be the toughest job in the world.

As hard as it appears to be, from the way people are killing themselves trying to get the job, (whispering) "I don't think they know." Shhhh.

258 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:00:05am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As hard as it appears to be, from the way people are killing themselves trying to get the job, (whispering) "I don't think they know." Shhhh.

BHO might think that it'll be easy for him 'cause he has 300 advisers.

259 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:01:27am

"I've got a bracelet, too."

Punk.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:01:30am

re: #258 MandyManners

300 is only as a candidate. Imagine how many if he wins (shudder).

261 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:01:45am

re: #256 galloping granny
maybe...bet Obama will not vote until he sees how McCain votes. Oh I would love for McCain to vote against this bill. In fact, all the pubbies should vote against it. The bill would have passed long ago if the dems had really wanted it to, they have enough votes without the pubbies. I think Boehner opened the door for it when he said for his fellow Republican's the vote their conscience.

262 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:02:00am

re: #254 Tamron

I red-hearted that.

263 Tamron  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:02:36am

re: #258 MandyManners

BHO might think that it'll be easy for him 'cause he has 300 advisers.

--And 30 teleprompter operators.
.

264 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:02:41am

re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

300 is only as a candidate. Imagine how many if he wins (shudder).

I wonder if Soros will get the Lincoln bedroom.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:04:29am

re: #264 MandyManners

I wonder if Soros will get the Lincoln bedroom.

Or the west wing.

266 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:04:34am

re: #264 MandyManners

I wonder if Soros will get the Lincoln bedroom.

I believe Soros already has plans to redecorate it...;>) Hmmm...what would be his style?

267 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:04:41am

re: #258 MandyManners
And he doesn't need foreign policy expertise becasue he has Joe Biden.

268 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:05:53am

re: #264 MandyManners

I wonder if Soros will get the Lincoln bedroom.

nah, nah, nah! It will be renamed the Reverend Wright Bedroom.

269 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:09:22am

re: #261 Beach Lover

maybe...bet Obama will not vote until he sees how McCain votes. Oh I would love for McCain to vote against this bill. In fact, all the pubbies should vote against it. The bill would have passed long ago if the dems had really wanted it to, they have enough votes without the pubbies. I think Boehner opened the door for it when he said for his fellow Republican's the vote their conscience.

If only 25% of Americans support this bill, it might well be that Dems do not have enough votes without the Republicans. Ultimately, those congress-critters work for the citizens of their home states - not the Democrat party. I suspect it has been made more than clear to some of them that they had best not vote for the thing if they want to stay in Congress.

270 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:12:10am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

You know, I've always wondered exactly why the Nazi's were considered "right-wing". Is it because they hated communists? Can't dictators hate each other? After all right wing here means no abortions, keep your guns, go to church, work hard, save your money. As far as I am concerned if somebody doesn't want you to have guns, whatever else they think, they are not right-wing.

271 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:14:17am

OH MY GOD! Here is the October Surprise folks - right on time. From Obama's own "Fight the Smears" website -

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

The Obama site cites FactCheck.Org -

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Which means he cannot be POTUS - not natural born!

272 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:18:03am

Gotta' roust The Kid and get his day going. bbl

273 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:18:06am

re: #271 galloping granny

OH MY GOD! Here is the October Surprise folks - right on time. From Obama's own "Fight the Smears" website -

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

The Obama site cites FactCheck.Org -

Which means he cannot be POTUS - not natural born!

Except he was born in Hawaii, which was, I believe, a part of the US at that time. Born on American soil, therefore an American.

Sorry, granny. Oh, and morning, everyone.

274 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:19:38am

And....I've killed the thread.

275 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:19:50am

re: #273 vxbush

Oh, and morning, everyone.

Good morning...

276 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:21:31am

re: #270 legalpad

As far as I am concerned if somebody doesn't want you to have guns, whatever else they think, they are not right-wing.

There are different kinds of conservatism. It's not all on a single continuum.

277 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:21:48am

Good morning Lizards...........

278 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:22:18am

re: #273 vxbush

Except he was born in Hawaii, which was, I believe, a part of the US at that time. Born on American soil, therefore an American.

Sorry, granny. Oh, and morning, everyone.

Nope. A child of one US Citizen and One Kenyan citizen - no matter where he was born - was in 1961 a DUAL citizen. (As they would be today.) You cannot be a DUAL citizen and be natural born for the purposes of being POTUS.

Further, under the rules in place at the time Obama was born, when he turned 18 he had to choose his nation of citizenship and renounce citizenship in the other nation. Making him a naturalized citizen. If he did not renounce his Kenyan citizenship then he might very well not affirmed his US citizenship (which he also had to do.) Which might mean that he is not actually a citizen of anywhere, both citizenships having expired when he turned 21.

279 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:23:24am

re: #270 legalpad

You know, I've always wondered exactly why the Nazi's were considered "right-wing".

European right-wing is a lot different than American right-wing.

Just shows how vague these terms are...

280 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:23:39am

re: #277 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...........

Mornin' dorian...

281 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:23:47am

morning cuz ;) re: #275 scottishbuzzsaw

282 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:24:05am

hiya dorian

283 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:24:35am

re: #281 ratso

morning cuz ;)

Mornin' cuz...how are you today?

284 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:24:36am

re: #278 galloping granny

Which might mean that he is not actually a citizen of anywhere, both citizenships having expired when he turned 21.

Maybe he's from Vatican City.

285 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:25:16am

re: #280 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' dorian...

Good morning scottishmarshmallow..... ;)

286 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:25:22am

re: #278 galloping granny

Nope. A child of one US Citizen and One Kenyan citizen - no matter where he was born - was in 1961 a DUAL citizen. (As they would be today.) You cannot be a DUAL citizen and be natural born for the purposes of being POTUS.

Further, under the rules in place at the time Obama was born, when he turned 18 he had to choose his nation of citizenship and renounce citizenship in the other nation. Making him a naturalized citizen. If he did not renounce his Kenyan citizenship then he might very well not affirmed his US citizenship (which he also had to do.) Which might mean that he is not actually a citizen of anywhere, both citizenships having expired when he turned 21.

Seems to good to be true, but I am going with you. That would be hilarious &Bgreat foer the Republic.

287 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:25:43am

re: #283 scottishbuzzsaw

Mornin' cuz...how are you today?


just marvolus darlink, how I love these fall mornings nice to be alive.

288 Miss Trixie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:26:01am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

A cloudy drizzly day in the valley with no hope of sinshine for the rest of the week. So it goes.

Awfully busy at work today so this is a quick drive-by and hope I can pop back in later.

{realwest} Morning, cupcake! *smoochie* *huggles* Hope you're feeling fine today and you're in my thoughts as always.

See yez.

289 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:27:05am

re: #286 opnion

Seems to good to be true, but I am going with you. That would be hilarious &Bgreat foer the Republic.

It's pretty unlikely we would be the first to notice such a discrepancy. Must be an explanation for how it worked out.

290 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:27:16am

re: #286 opnion
I love it but whats the odds of it going anywhere?

291 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:27:19am

re: #288 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

A cloudy drizzly day in the valley with no hope of sinshine for the rest of the week. So it goes.

Awfully busy at work today so this is a quick drive-by and hope I can pop back in later.

{realwest} Morning, cupcake! *smoochie* *huggles* Hope you're feeling fine today and you're in my thoughts as always.

See yez.

Oh my... It was a run by fruiting.....

292 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:27:54am

re: #284 Edgar

Maybe he's from Vatican City.

Well, if he was born in a manger in Bethlehem, that complicates the citizenship.

293 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:28:18am

re: #285 doriangrey

Good morning scottishmarshmallow..... ;)

I suppose that means you want some coffee? Here...;>)

294 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:28:43am

re: #290 ratso

I love it but whats the odds of it going anywhere?

Somewhere between zero and absolutely no fucking way you racists pig.....

295 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:28:54am

re: #290 ratso

I love it but whats the odds of it going anywhere?

Not gonna happen.

296 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:29:14am

re: #293 scottishbuzzsaw

I suppose that means you want some coffee? Here...;>)

Why thank you cuttie pie.... ;)

297 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:29:44am

re: #294 doriangrey
dorian? what was that marked out thingy there?

298 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:30:03am

re: #287 ratso

just marvolus darlink, how I love these fall mornings nice to be alive.

Glad to hear you're doing well...autumn is my favorite time of year...any Bailey's this morning or are we suppose to behave?

299 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:30:18am

re: #297 ratso

dorian? what was that marked out thingy there?

Channeling the Obama supporters.... ;P

300 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:31:00am

re: #298 scottishbuzzsaw

Glad to hear you're doing well...autumn is my favorite time of year...any Bailey's this morning or are we suppose to behave?


ya know, I have a wee bit in my coffee here at this moment :) Missed ya saturday by the way.

301 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:31:33am

re: #278 galloping granny

I've seen this around for a long time, and as much as I hope it is true, if it were that simple, why hasn't it been proven before now? To keep from getting Hillary?

302 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:31:40am

re: #299 doriangrey
Oh, I thought I'd done something stupid

303 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:31:44am

re: #286 opnion

Seems to good to be true, but I am going with you. That would be hilarious &Bgreat foer the Republic.

I have been saying this right along because I am intimately familiar with the rules that were in place when Barry was born - which still apply to him this very day. The difference is that the Obama Fight the Smears website is admitting that Barry is a dual - or maybe a not at all - citizen of the US and citing FactCheck as their authority.

304 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:31:49am

re: #253 galloping granny

If this is going to happen anyway maybe they should just skip the bailout. . . . yeah, right.

Maybe, but I honestly think it would have been much worse without it.

As it is, I think we will have a 1 to 2 year world wide recession. Without the plan it would have been a depression.

But hang on, it's going to get rocky regardless. I think a lot more banks are going to fall. If they had done this a few weeks ago, the damage would have been less.

305 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:31:55am

re: #276 Moe Katz

There are different kinds of conservatism. It's not all on a single continuum.

There is this whole picture of a continuum, sort of a sliding scale going left or right. The idea is that "extreme" right is just too much of regular right. I just don't agree with that thought structure. If there is a scale, then Hitler and Stalin are on the same side of that scale, not at opposite ends, regardless of formal economic policies, possibly their main difference.

I think the issue is centralization of power with fewer individual rights or check and balance of power with more individual rights.

306 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:32:06am

re: #300 ratso

ya know, I have a wee bit in my coffee here at this moment :) Missed ya saturday by the way.

Phooey. I was here bright and early Sat...did you sleep in?

307 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:32:12am

re: #298 scottishbuzzsaw

Glad to hear you're doing well...autumn is my favorite time of year...any Bailey's this morning or are we suppose to behave?

Hrump.... Former nearly practically almost famous Rock Star here.... Me behave? /scratch's head trying to figure out what the word "behave" means.

308 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:32:14am

hiya 3

309 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:32:42am

Good Morning everyone!
How are the lizards doing today?
* Handing Scottish a circular powersaw *
/just in case dorian calls you a marshmellow again..
:)

310 opnion  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:33:03am

re: #301 Beach Lover

I've seen this around for a long time, and as much as I hope it is true, if it were that simple, why hasn't it been proven before now? To keep from getting Hillary?

Yeah Hillary would have used it. She did start a rumor that Barry fathered two Black babies & nothing.

311 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:33:04am

re: #279 Edgar

Yeah, they are vague.

312 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:33:06am

hey hoops

313 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:33:12am

re: #303 galloping granny

The difference is that the Obama Fight the Smears website is admitting that Barry is a dual - or maybe a not at all - citizen of the US and citing FactCheck as their authority.

It's a confusing thing. Maybe they got it wrong. "Admitting" is a bit of a loaded term.

314 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:33:41am

re: #309 HoosierHoops

Good Morning everyone!
How are the lizards doing today?
* Handing Scottish a circular powersaw *
/just in case dorian calls you a marshmellow again..
:)


hoops, already did ya missed it

315 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:33:54am

re: #307 doriangrey

Hrump.... Former nearly practically almost famous Rock Star here.... Me behave? /scratch's head trying to figure out what the word "behave" means.

I would never mistake you for someone who behaved, luv...

316 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:34:33am

re: #306 scottishbuzzsaw

Phooey. I was here bright and early Sat...did you sleep in?


naaaa, my grandson was on my puter all saturday morning

317 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:34:34am

re: #309 HoosierHoops

Good Morning everyone!
How are the lizards doing today?
* Handing Scottish a circular powersaw *
/just in case dorian calls you a marshmellow again..
:)

Why THANK YOU HH! How are you today?

318 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:34:37am

re: #309 HoosierHoops

Good Morning everyone!
How are the lizards doing today?
* Handing Scottish a circular powersaw *
/just in case dorian calls you a marshmellow again..
:)

Oh goodies, she can build me that deck I have been wanting for awhile now... ;)

319 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:34:50am

re: #314 ratso

hoops, already did ya missed it

excellant smithers!
How are you today?

320 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:35:11am

re: #305 legalpad

There is this whole picture of a continuum, sort of a sliding scale going left or right. The idea is that "extreme" right is just too much of regular right. I just don't agree with that thought structure. If there is a scale, then Hitler and Stalin are on the same side of that scale, not at opposite ends, regardless of formal economic policies, possibly their main difference.

I think the issue is centralization of power with fewer individual rights or check and balance of power with more individual rights.

In theory both "extreme right" and "extreme left" would be utopias. The problem is hero worship in those cases, and hunger for power (which is present on both sides of the spectrum).

321 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:35:35am

re: #319 HoosierHoops
smithers?

322 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:36:09am

re: #315 scottishbuzzsaw

I would never mistake you for someone who behaved, luv...

Whoose... I was worried there for a second... Wouldn't want my reputation to be tarnished or anything.... ;P

323 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:36:35am

re: #317 scottishbuzzsaw

Why THANK YOU HH! How are you today?

Hey Scottish..Doing wonderful today..It's going to get up to 79 today..Not bad at all for the end of sept.

324 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:37:20am

re: #321 ratso

smithers?

/ a little Simpson humor...
I said a little!

325 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:37:37am

re: #323 HoosierHoops

Hey Scottish..Doing wonderful today..It's going to get up to 79 today..Not bad at all for the end of sept.

I wish it would only get up to 79 here... More like 90...

326 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:37:56am

re: #270 legalpad

You know, I've always wondered exactly why the Nazi's were considered "right-wing". Is it because they hated communists? Can't dictators hate each other? After all right wing here means no abortions, keep your guns, go to church, work hard, save your money. As far as I am concerned if somebody doesn't want you to have guns, whatever else they think, they are not right-wing.

Yes, the German National Socialist Deutsches Arbeitspartei (National Socialist German Worker's Party, to give those murderous bastards their full and correct name) was so "anti-communist" that they initially had a secret agreement with the USSR to train their military in Russia to evade the restrictions of the Versailles Treaty. Followed by the Molotov- von Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact they signed a few weeks before Stukas began screaming down on Polish border posts in September of '39. After which the two joined in dividing up Poland, with the Soviets taking the opportunity to dispose of a few hundred "awkward" Polish officers at Katyn Forest- officers turned over to them by the Germans, for the most part.

Early on, the Nazis were a straight, doctrinaire, left-wing socialist party which took its cues from Moscow. The pro-Russian elements in its leadership were mainly from northern Germany. The more nationalistic, less "international" contingent was from the southern part of the country, notably around Nuremberg and Munich. It was this lot that the German army's intelligence section sent an agent to infiltrate in 1921. Unfortunately for the entire world, that agent was a former infantry corporal named Adolf Hitler, who saw an opportunity to bring his fantasies to life, and took it. The "northerners" were soon consigned to the back benches- and later, mostly to the death camps.

Even Benito Mussolini, the man who coined the term "fascism", was originally a member of the Italian Communist Party, who broke away because he didn't want Italy taking orders from the Russians, whom he personally despised almost as much as he did the Catholic Church.

I might also point out that much of the "doctrine" of the modern-day "progressive" crowd (primitivism, nature worship, hatred/suspicion of Jews and Christianity, anti-intellectualism) is taken almost word for word from the so-called naturphilosophie ("Natural Philosophy") movement in Germany in the early 1800s, which longed for a return to a pre-Christian "pure" state of being. The writers who advocated this, such as Friedrich Nietzsche and Ernst Hegel, were also strong influences on the NSDAP's "philosophy".

Not to mention Karl Marx, and Friedrich Engels.

The roots of our modern-day madnesses, on the left and right, run very deep indeed.

(Excuse me, but I cannot really say "cheers" here, for obvious reasons, and no one here deserves my other salutation, "clear ether")


eon

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:38:21am

Can't. Stop. Watching. Kilgore's. Nipple. Song.

328 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:38:30am

re: #313 Edgar

It's a confusing thing. Maybe they got it wrong. "Admitting" is a bit of a loaded term.

It is not the least bit confusing. The "natural born" provision is intended to elminate those who might owe allegiance to some other nation from the Presidency. Under the rules in place at the time that Obama was born neither dual citizens - which he now admits to being - and naturalized citizens (as many people born abroad to two American parents are - like my daughter) are both not considered "natural born." My daughter was naturalized at birth, thus she can never be present. From the facts that Obama's own website is citing and FactCheck is confirming, Obama was a dual (actually he was a triple - see that Indonesian school record) and was thus required to choose at age 18 - when he would have become a naturalized citizen, just as ineligible as my daughter is.

However he apparently did not choose at all. His Kenyan citizenship expired and without positive actions on his part to confirm his intent to exercise his US citizenship, that might very well have simultaneously expired. Leaving him perhaps a citizen of Indonesia.

329 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:39:14am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't. Stop. Watching. Kilgore's. Nipple. Song.

Kilgore has a song about showing his nipple? Ewww gross...

330 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:39:46am

re: #325 doriangrey

I wish it would only get up to 79 here... More like 90...

Are you telling me that not everything is perfect in Paradise?
I find that hard to believe!
Have you finished the mind control ray yet? I was going to borrow it and go to DC for the day..

331 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:39:53am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

/ a little Simpson humor...
I said a little!


simpson? awwwww no, not homer?

332 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:40:46am

re: #328 galloping granny

It is not the least bit confusing. The "natural born" provision is intended to elminate those who might owe allegiance to some other nation from the Presidency. Under the rules in place at the time that Obama was born neither dual citizens - which he now admits to being - and naturalized citizens (as many people born abroad to two American parents are - like my daughter) are both not considered "natural born." My daughter was naturalized at birth, thus she can never be present president. From the facts that Obama's own website is citing and FactCheck is confirming, Obama was a dual (actually he was a triple - see that Indonesian school record) and was thus required to choose at age 18 - when he would have become a naturalized citizen, just as ineligible as my daughter is.

However he apparently did not choose at all. His Kenyan citizenship expired and without positive actions on his part to confirm his intent to exercise his US citizenship, that might very well have simultaneously expired. Leaving him perhaps a citizen of Indonesia.

PIMF

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:41:04am

re: #329 doriangrey

Kilgore has a song about showing his nipple? Ewww gross...

Here ya go!

334 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:41:18am

re: #326 eon

Well said...but I miss your 'cheers' anyway...

335 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:42:17am

re: #320 Edgar

In theory

That's the key, I guess. Real humans need that check and balance, need to be ready to counterbalance error, instead of letting the error become unstoppable.

336 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:43:25am

re: #330 HoosierHoops

Are you telling me that not everything is perfect in Paradise?
I find that hard to believe!
Have you finished the mind control ray yet? I was going to borrow it and go to DC for the day..

We wouldn't call it The peoples Republic of California Paradise if everything wasn't perfect here... My part of it should be finished this afternoon... It will should heading for the Wrong East Coast for testing somewhere around the end of Oct or beginning of Nov.

337 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:44:21am

re: #333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here ya go!


Good morning, FBV.

Great video. But that song........

Oh, that's just wrong. On so many levels.

More coffee, with a side order of brain bleach.

cheers

eon

338 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:44:37am

re: #308 ratso

hiya 3

Hi ratso

339 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:45:28am

re: #338 3 wood

Hi ratso

Morning wood.... (Hmmm did that come out right?)

340 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:46:05am

re: #339 doriangrey

Morning wood.... (Hmmm did that come out right?)

Have you been watching the Nipple Song? ;>)

341 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:46:07am

re: #336 doriangrey

We wouldn't call it The peoples Republic of California Paradise if everything wasn't perfect here... My part of it should be finished this afternoon... It will should heading for the Wrong East Coast for testing somewhere around the end of Oct or beginning of Nov.


hey dorian, is that the homeland security hardware i've read of lately?

342 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:46:53am

Morning, Lizards. I can't believe I let them get to me. After the debate Friday, I actually listened to some "analysts" saying that McCain needed to blow Obama away and he didn't and since the polls have leveled out with Obama 3 pts. ahead everywhere, let's just call it a day and make him king. They actually took some wind out of my sails, those bastards.

343 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:47:01am

We have some bad storm coming here, so I'm going to shut down my computer.

Have a good morning all.

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:47:21am

re: #337 eon

For the record. That is totally Kilgore Trout's fault.

345 beblebrox  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:47:33am

re: #339 doriangrey

Morning wood.... (Hmmm did that come out right?)

Did somebody say Morning Wood?

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:47:43am

re: #343 3 wood

Take Luck!

347 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:47:58am

re: #343 3 wood

We have some bad storm coming here, so I'm going to shut down my computer.

Have a good morning all.


is that in the chicagoland area where 3 is?

348 YankeeBoy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:48:11am

morning lizards.

349 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:48:26am

re: #345 beblebrox

Did somebody say Morning Wood?


haha, every morning right?

350 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:48:34am

re: #326 eon

Fascinating history. It explains some. But it is still not clear how the "extreme" right in the U.S. is just too much regular right as sometimes seems implied.

351 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:49:18am

hiya spenser

352 beblebrox  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:49:22am

re: #349 ratso

haha, every morning right?

Gee, I hope not. I have no use for it at them moment.

353 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:49:57am

re: #343 3 wood

We have some bad storm coming here, so I'm going to shut down my computer.

Have a good morning all.

Obama is coming to town?

354 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:50:05am

re: #332 galloping granny

PIMF

Ah. That makes more sense, at least with respect to your daughter. :D

However, I think you and I know that the Dems would pull out every trick in the book--and create a few as well--to make sure that he's on the ballot in November if anyone should challenge this. And wouldn't this have to be challenged in each state where he is listed on the ballot? I wish the rule of law still applied to Democrats, but that has been proven to be false over the last two years (and possibly decades). Very sad.

355 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:50:08am

re: #334 scottishbuzzsaw

Well said...but I miss your 'cheers' anyway...

Thanks. I made a similar post on Townhall (The Site That Must Not Be Linked To- and I concur with that) a long time ago. And you'd be amazed how many trolls immediately began spouting that "anyone who knows that much about the Nazis, must be a Nazi!"

My response was, "I can give you the entire known structure of the KGB, too- does that make me a GRU agent?"

No, most of them had no idea what I was talking about.

The mindlessness of the "enlightened elite" is truly mind-boggling, at times.

Thank God I'm a Lizard.

cheers

eon

356 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:50:30am

re: #343 3 wood

We have some bad storm coming here, so I'm going to shut down my computer.

Have a good morning all.

And it's almost here, but I'll see if i can stay on a bit longer.

357 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:51:03am

re: #347 ratso

is that in the chicagoland area where 3 is?

No. Downstate, middle of Illinois.

358 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:51:30am

re: #341 ratso

hey dorian, is that the homeland security hardware i've read of lately?

Na, it's DOD stealth testing technology.

359 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:51:59am

re: #355 eon

Thanks. I made a similar post on Townhall (The Site That Must Not Be Linked To- and I concur with that) a long time ago. And you'd be amazed how many trolls immediately began spouting that "anyone who knows that much about the Nazis, must be a Nazi!"

My response was, "I can give you the entire known structure of the KGB, too- does that make me a GRU agent?"

No, most of them had no idea what I was talking about.

The mindlessness of the "enlightened elite" is truly mind-boggling, at times.

Thank God I'm a Lizard.

cheers

eon

eon, you make me proud to be a part of the lizard kingdom

360 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:52:43am

re: #358 doriangrey
ahhhhh, are with both with the dod?

361 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:54:49am

re: #355 eon

Thanks. I made a similar post on Townhall (The Site That Must Not Be Linked To- and I concur with that) a long time ago. And you'd be amazed how many trolls immediately began spouting that "anyone who knows that much about the Nazis, must be a Nazi!"

My response was, "I can give you the entire known structure of the KGB, too- does that make me a GRU agent?"

No, most of them had no idea what I was talking about.

The mindlessness of the "enlightened elite" is truly mind-boggling, at times.

Thank God I'm a Lizard.

cheers

eon

This is one of the things that makes me scream when it comes to those who use this same faulty reasoning to insist that "intelligent design" or Biblical beliefs can never, ever be mentioned in a classroom.

362 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:55:22am

re: #360 ratso

ahhhhh, are with both with the dod?

Nope, I work for a Carbon Composites fabrication Company, we do sub-contracting for DOD contractors.

363 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:55:39am

re: #342 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, Lizards. I can't believe I let them get to me. After the debate Friday, I actually listened to some "analysts" saying that McCain needed to blow Obama away and he didn't and since the polls have leveled out with Obama 3 pts. ahead everywhere, let's just call it a day and make him king. They actually took some wind out of my sails, those bastards.

I'm with you. This is the first time I've been scared that Obama MIGHT win. Right now is a perfect example....Fox is on bringing up the bracelet thing, like that is going to sway anyone watching Fox. When are they going to talk half as long about the things he has DONE, like ACORN, and where are all those low income housing projects/ residents he helped? Show them! Tell us WHAT he has accomplished and who benefited from it. I know it is more complicated, but they don't even try!
now is the time to bring it up....next week may be too late. If Obama get some traction and the momemtum, McCain's over.

364 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:56:01am

re: #362 doriangrey
roger

365 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:57:05am

re: #364 ratso

roger

All your DOD are belong to us..... ;)

366 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:57:11am

re: #362 doriangrey

Nope, I work for a Carbon Composites fabrication Company, we do sub-contracting for DOD contractors.


carbon composites is a good read with a spectacular future.

367 Spider Mensch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:57:40am

re: #342 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, Lizards. I can't believe I let them get to me. After the debate Friday, I actually listened to some "analysts" saying that McCain needed to blow Obama away and he didn't and since the polls have leveled out with Obama 3 pts. ahead everywhere, let's just call it a day and make him king. They actually took some wind out of my sails, those bastards.

you got to look close at those polls though. the cnn one admitted that the poll was fixed even...when the poll taken is + 40% democrats and 25% republican with 35% so called indy voters (haha of that 35% on cnn at least 75% leans left)...you'll find that the results will not be balanced. in fact when they so favor one party, the dems, in their polling obama should have even a higher gap than his 5 to 8 %.

368 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:58:25am

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

Hope everyone had a good weekend.

I put myself on a self-imposed media blackout last night because seeing Barney Frank and Chris Dodd celebrating their 'bailout' was making me not only physically ill, but also so full of rage that I was throwing things.

369 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:59:00am

Has anyone seen Infidelia around?

370 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #355 eon

Thanks. I made a similar post on Townhall (The Site That Must Not Be Linked To- and I concur with that) a long time ago. And you'd be amazed how many trolls immediately began spouting that "anyone who knows that much about the Nazis, must be a Nazi!"

My response was, "I can give you the entire known structure of the KGB, too- does that make me a GRU agent?"

No, most of them had no idea what I was talking about.

The mindlessness of the "enlightened elite" is truly mind-boggling, at times.

Thank God I'm a Lizard.

cheers

eon

It is at that...

371 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:59:36am

re: #368 loppyd
hello loppy i wit you i can't stand dodd and frank, i normally call them by different names.

372 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:59:54am

Our Money, who art invested
be there no limits to our shame ?
The meltdown come
The Congress of the dumb
knows exactly whom not to blame.
Give us this day our daily soundbite.
And deliver us from truth,
for it would frighten us.
LA LA LA LA!
Verily, we art not listening.

373 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:00:51am

re: #350 legalpad

Fascinating history. It explains some. But it is still not clear how the "extreme" right in the U.S. is just too much regular right as sometimes seems implied.

Not to beat a dead horse (Down , Dobbin!, for cryin' out loud), but it's classic (and cynical) political agitprop strategy to vilify the "enemy" by convincing everyone else that they are all as dangerous as the most out-of-control, radical and violent elements who they can even remotely be compared to. Even if the comparison is in fact 100% bogus. (As the old saying goes, "If you tell a lie often enough, and loud enough, it becomes true for all practical purposes." That, BTW, is a quote from Henry Gladstone, who is rarely correctly credited for it.)

President Reagan was also compared to Hitler in his time, by the very same elements who use the "BusHitler" meme today. By comparison, when you point out to them that Che' Guevara, whom they wear on their T-shirts and post on their walls, was a bloody-handed butcher who was sold out by his own boss (Fidel) who decided to make him a martyr in Bolivia rather than risk letting him come home and pull a coup in Havana, you'd best be halfway out the door when you do so. Better yet, on the phone.

As the old Toureg proverb goes,

Tell the truth- but keep one foot in the stirrup.

cheers

eon

374 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:01:12am

re: #368 loppyd
Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's, and watch out for what he renders onto you.

375 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:01:23am

re: #359 ratso

eon, you make me proud to be a part of the lizard kingdom

Thank you.

cheers

eon

376 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:01:23am

it appears no ones dingy thingy is working this morning

377 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:01:34am

re: #371 ratso

hello loppy i wit you i can't stand dodd and frank, i normally call them by different names.

You don't want to know the names the BF was hurling at the TV last all weekend. He's a mortgage broker and has an especially sour view of Barney.

378 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:02:39am

re: #366 ratso

carbon composites is a good read with a spectacular future.

It's a wicked voodoo industry. Making things out of carbon composites is amazingly difficult and nobody is willing to give up their secrets on exactly how they assemble their parts.

For the most part someone entering the industry spends two to three years sweeping the floor or cutting patterns before they are ever allowed to do their first lay-up. And when they are finally allowed to do their first lay-up someone else does all the actual tricky parts. It's pretty brutal.

379 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:02:58am

As far as polls go - this is the one that matters:

GW/Battleground Tracking 09/22 - 09/28 1000 LV 46 48 McCain +2

380 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:03:24am

re: #368 loppyd
You know, it is really amazing the number of people that are so furious over this thing..and falling over into the election. But, one thing is for sure, we need to hide small objects for safe keeping until December!

381 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:03:30am

re: #367 Spider Mensch

re: #342 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, Lizards. I can't believe I let them get to me. After the debate Friday, I actually listened to some "analysts" saying that McCain needed to blow Obama away and he didn't and since the polls have leveled out with Obama 3 pts. ahead everywhere, let's just call it a day and make him king. They actually took some wind out of my sails, those bastards.

you got to look close at those polls though. the cnn one admitted that the poll was fixed even...when the poll taken is + 40% democrats and 25% republican with 35% so called indy voters (haha of that 35% on cnn at least 75% leans left)...you'll find that the results will not be balanced. in fact when they so favor one party, the dems, in their polling obama should have even a higher gap than his 5 to 8 %.

Thanks, Spider. That's what I needed. Where's Honorary Yooper? Isn't Blagoivich (sp?) being indicted today? That might help.

382 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:03:52am

re: #374 Peacekeeper

Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's, and watch out for what he renders onto you.

{PK}

You just made me crave a Caesar salad for lunch. LOL

383 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:04:24am

re: #376 ratso

it appears no ones dingy thingy is working this morning

Mine works...

384 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:04:51am

re: #376 ratso

it appears no ones dingy thingy is working this morning

Speak for yourself, pilgrim.

385 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:04:54am

re: #368 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

Hope everyone had a good weekend.

I put myself on a self-imposed media blackout last night because seeing Barney Frank and Chris Dodd celebrating their 'bailout' was making me not only physically ill, but also so full of rage that I was throwing things.


Good Morning loopyd!

386 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:04:58am

re: #376 ratso

Mine is. I just dingied you up. You want I should dingie you down?

387 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:09am

re: #378 doriangrey

and very, very expensive

388 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:26am

Waichovia has just been bought by CitiBank for $1 share.

(Apologies if this has already been announced)

389 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:26am

{Lopps}
Splurge! put some grilled chicken on it.

390 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:49am

re: #376 ratso

Oh, you said dingy thingy, not thingy dingy!

391 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:52am

re: #383 doriangrey

Mine works...

nothing worth upticking i guess

392 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:06:18am

re: #373 eon

No dead horse! Very interesting!

393 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:06:21am

re: #380 Beach Lover

Congressman Steven Lynch (D) of MA said this morning that his office is getting bombarded with calls from ticked off constituents.

People are furious and they have every right to be.

My favorite line of the whole weekend was John Boener calling the bill a "crap sandwich" - LOL

394 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:07:17am

They are showing the voting in the house right now. 16 GOP for it, and all the DEMS for it...most GOP against.
Good

395 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:07:39am

re: #389 Peacekeeper

{Lopps}
Splurge! put some grilled chicken on it.

Actually, I think you may have solved my "what to make for dinner" conundrum!

Thanks, pal. :)

396 doriangrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:08:06am

re: #387 ratso

and very, very expensive

ROTFLMAO.... That it is.... Well off to the old salt.. er Carbon mines as it were... Now that the treasonous Democrats/socialist bastards have figured out how to increase out debt by a trillion dollars somebody has to go to work to pay it off, and you damned well know it wont be any democrat/socialist bastard...

397 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:08:25am

re: #385 HoosierHoops

Hood Morning Hooooooooooosier!

What's the good word? There has to be something.

398 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:08:51am

re: #394 Beach Lover

They are showing the voting in the house right now. 16 GOP for it, and all the DEMS for it...most GOP against.
Good

cspan?

399 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:09:12am

re: #394 Beach Lover

They are showing the voting in the house right now. 16 GOP for it, and all the DEMS for it...most GOP against.
Good

I was hoping that they would let the Dems all vote for it and then step up and vote No. It wold be a PR coup. And hilarious, to boot.

400 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:09:13am

Hi Lizards:

Here's a linky for ya:

CBC Offers Rare Apology for Palin Smear Piece

And OY...I have so much to do today-just working half a day with major Rosh Hashana prep work to do...

To all the Jooooooooish lizards: Shana Tova U'Metukah-a happy, sweet healthy New Year to you and your families and to Kol Am Yisrael, Amen.

401 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:09:17am

re: #396 doriangrey

Have a great day, dorian...

402 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:09:20am

re: #394 Beach Lover

They are showing the voting in the house right now. 16 GOP for it, and all the DEMS for it...most GOP against.
Good

we will post the vote later, curious of the ones who caved to the b#@%$h pelosi.

403 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:10:15am

re: #400 WriterMom

Now there is a flying pig moment if I've ever seen one.

Happy New Year!

404 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:10:17am

re: #400 WriterMom

Hi Lizards:

Here's a linky for ya:

CBC Offers Rare Apology for Palin Smear Piece

And OY...I have so much to do today-just working half a day with major Rosh Hashana prep work to do...

To all the Jooooooooish lizards: Shana Tova U'Metukah-a happy, sweet healthy New Year to you and your families and to Kol Am Yisrael, Amen.


hey what about us nonjewish supporters of the joooooooooooo?

405 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:10:18am

re: #372 Peacekeeper

Always the poet!

406 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:10:42am

re: #403 loppyd

Totally!

407 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:11:17am

cya dorian

408 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:12:21am

re: #404 ratso

Well...you can wish me a Happy New Year, and I can wish you an Lizardish Friend-of- the-Jooooos-Vicarious Happy New Year...does that work?

409 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:18am

Correction: It's CitiGroup buying Waichovia. Not CitiBank. Though I'm now confused if they are actually one in the same. My radio news source said Citibank, but that's just not true.

[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

410 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:25am

If only they would say.."look, we have no choice now to try to fix this mess that the liberals have made. After years of liberal ideology this is where we have gotten." But, they won't.

Great, now my bank is gone.

There goes the Wachovia golf tournament.

411 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:27am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Well DUH!

412 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:27am

re: #397 loppyd

Hood Morning Hooooooooooosier!

What's the good word? There has to be something.


{Loopyd}
Well let's see..It's going to be a beautiful day..But it still is monday...
Sucking down coffee with great gusto!

413 Spider Mensch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:59am

re: #381 Spenser (with an S)

Thanks, Spider. That's what I needed. Where's Honorary Yooper? Isn't Blagoivich (sp?) being indicted today? That might help.


in fact, depending on the thought basis, being behind in these polls, even though they are cherry picked, can be an advantage, especially with the type of supporters obama has. "the elitist mind set of "our guy has it wrapped up, it doesn't matter if I vote or not" that can be especially true in the case of the young obama supporters, the under 25 crowd. lets face it alot of them are registered but don't even know where they are suppose to go to vote. And after obama tough talk in the debate, I'm wondering if he may be alienating his far left base? or do they see the lies in his words for what they are? lies. but lies that they would tell also? the say anything to get elected, but once in office back to business as usual? is the left that smart? maybe some of them, but not all. any group who can blame everything in the world on one person, Bush, and actually believe it, can't be too smart, imo.

414 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:14:11am

How come I only see colour dingie thingies up to #394...everything above that is grey?

415 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:01am

re: #409 Noam Chumpski
Good morning, link to the news story re: Citigroup and Wachovia is here: [Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

416 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:02am

re: #414 WriterMom

How come I only see colour dingie thingies up to #394...everything above that is grey?

I thought you wrote, "...everything above that is gay?" and I laughed.

417 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:20am

re: #408 WriterMom

Well...you can wish me a Happy New Year, and I can wish you an Lizardish Friend-of- the-Jooooos-Vicarious Happy New Year...does that work?

Yeah, have one of those, from me! Ciao bella!

418 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:29am

re: #412 HoosierHoops

{Loopyd}
Well let's see..It's going to be a beautiful day..But it still is monday...
Sucking down coffee with great gusto!

I always start the day by giving thanks. It 'aint always easy, but it helps.

Send some sunshine this way, would ya? It's been raining forevah!

419 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:30am

re: #415 realwest

Good morning, link to the news story re: Citigroup and Wachovia is here: [Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

Morning to you! Thanks!

420 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:34am

re: #408 WriterMom
yes, that works. back atcha

421 Spirit93  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:36am

re: #414 WriterMom

Did you try refreshing the page?

422 panda  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:37am

I'm depressed....

Looks like Obama is going to win.

423 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:16:06am

re: #1 Bobibutu

What a fun idea!

424 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:16:15am

Blessed "Days of Awe" to my Jewish friends here. We read the Shema in church yesterday and last night my 3 boys asked their sister to sing it to them before bed. Very sweet.

425 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:16:48am

Well good morning all y'all - from a coolish (63 degrees going up to a very nice 82 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone in the approximately 7 hours I've been off LGF?!

426 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:16:50am

re: #409 Noam Chumpski
When I get my new car loan book, I'll let you know for sure.

427 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:16am

re: #421 Spirit93

Heh. Nope. But now I did and it's TECHNICOLOUR!

Thanks.

428 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:23am

{Writermommy}

429 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:24am

re: #414 WriterMom

A rolling grey out? Since I don't see the red and green spectrum, I'm at a loss, although I don't see the change you're looking at.

430 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:35am

re: #426 Peacekeeper

Ha! Yes...

431 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:39am

and I'd like to wish all of our Jewish friends a Happy, Healthy and prosperous New Year!

432 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:48am

re: #425 realwest

Good morning real.

Sent you a brief email a few minutes ago.

It's raining here, the seasons are changing.

433 Oldasdirt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:01am

Good day i hope lizards.

434 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:03am

re: #425 realwest

Well good morning all y'all - from a coolish (63 degrees going up to a very nice 82 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone in the approximately 7 hours I've been off LGF?!

Good morning, real...sitting in a thunderstorm right now...thanks for the link...there goes our bank...oh well.

435 Spider Mensch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:16am

re: #422 panda

I'm depressed....

Looks like Obama is going to win.

go see my 367 and 413.

just be ready to vote for McCain on Nov 4th.

436 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:23am

hiya rw

437 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:25am

re: #422 panda

Take some drugs ans sleep through it. You've plenty of time.

438 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:32am

Rezko to start singing?

How about a chorus of Obamalamdingdong?

439 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:40am

re: #422 panda

It's a possibility. Don't let it bum you out too much.

440 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:50am

re: #425 realwest

Well good morning all y'all - from a coolish (63 degrees going up to a very nice 82 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone in the approximately 7 hours I've been off LGF?!


Good Morning RW!
I was wondering when you were going to get you're lazy butt up and start blogging..
/ LOL

441 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:56am

re: #347 ratso

is that in the chicagoland area where 3 is?

mid-state.

442 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:19:01am

re: #438 Kenneth

Rezko to start singing?

How about a chorus of Obamalamdingdong?

I wish...

443 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:19:05am

re: #422 panda

I'm depressed....

Looks like Obama is going to win.

STOP! Take a deep breath.

Look at the battleground states. McCain is up by 2 points. With the media undeniably doing everything it can and still Obama is unable to pull ahead in those states.

If Obama does not have a clear 10 point advantage going into election day he can't and won't win.

The same doom and gloom scenarios were being played out in 04 and we all know what happened then.

I still believe that many people are lying to pollsters and I think independents, when alone in that voting booth, are going to have a very hard time voting for Obama.

444 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:19:39am

re: #422 panda

'm depressed....

Looks like Obama is going to win.

See my #342 above. The lizard army is talking me off the cliff, however. The MSM can't crown him, we still get to vote!

445 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:19:59am

Wait, maybe I was seeing a different vote! Was watching from another room on Fox and they were showing the voting, but now I looked at CSPAN and it is a vote on adjouring the house...so now not sure what I was looking at...anyone else watching?

446 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:07am

re: #432 3 wood
your back 3 what happend to the weather alert of earlier?

447 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:45am

re: #428 Peacekeeper

{Peacekeepahleh}

448 Spirit93  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:48am

re: #425 realwest

Well, we've got a depressed panda on aisle #422.

449 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:56am

re: #425 realwest

Good morning, Realwest! A beautiful morning here. First real sun I've seen in days. A far nicer morning than the congressrats down the street deserve, if you ask me.

450 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:59am

The annoying thing with the bail out is, that no matter HOW BAD the economy gets, Bush and Congress can claim it would have been TEN TIMES worse without their leadership.
We'll never know if they were bluffing.

451 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:21:50am

re: #432 3 wood
Good morning my friend - I received and responded to your e-mail already!
Ya know for an Older Guy I can still motor some! LOL!
How are ya today my good friend?

452 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:08am

Being good...on treadmill...very hard to type...

453 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:15am

re: #448 Spirit93

Well, we've got a depressed panda on aisle #422.

Of all the bamboo places in all the world..
Panda had to walk in here..
Go ahead..play it again Sam...

454 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:31am

re: #434 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning to you too - whacha mean "our bank"?!

455 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:08am

re: #436 ratso
Hey Ratso - how's it going today?

456 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:09am

re: #422 panda

It's way too early to throw in the towel. And even if Obama (G-d forbid) does win, you survived Carter-America is so resilient, and you might have to suffer through four years of bumbling leftist garbage...but the only good thing is that he is SO stupid and SO ignorant and empty, the American people-even the ones who voted for him, will soon start to see that he was the worst choice for a leader.

457 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:13am

re: #444 Spenser (with an S)

See my #342 above. The lizard army is talking me off the cliff, however. The MSM can't crown him, we still get to vote!

Remember how stunned they were the morning after the election in 04?

They couldn't believe that after everything they did - after all of their hard work and bashing of Bush - that he not only one, but won the popular vote by 3,480,122 votes.

They were stunned. I still believe they will get the shock of their lives this year.

458 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:19am

re: #422 panda

I'm depressed....

Looks like Obama is going to win.

Try not to see everything in black and white....

459 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:30am

Good morning real! How are you doing today? I had a nice relaxing, if rainy, weekend.

460 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:41am

re: #361 galloping granny

This is one of the things that makes me scream when it comes to those who use this same faulty reasoning to insist that "intelligent design" or Biblical beliefs can never, ever be mentioned in a classroom.

I took a class called "The Bible as Literature" in high school. It consisted of comparing the Holy Scriptures (especially the OT) to other historical sources to learn which, if any, were actually accurate.

We now know that a great deal of the OT is probably at least as accurate as a source of historical data on events in the MidEast prior to the birth of Christ as any other sources, going back to the ancient Sumerians.

/Certainly at least as accurate as Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, never mind Schliemann - I'm tending toward the Iman Wilkins hypothesis myself, these days

As for "intelligent design", it was pretty well refuted in the early 19th Century (pre-Darwin) when it was first raised by a Cambridge philosophy professor named William Buckland, who was trying to reconcile the existence of fossils with the book of Genesis. It was discarded soon after by even the Church of England due to the work of such scientists as James Hutton, George Scrope (both geologists) and Charles Lyall ( a botanist). The debate was pretty much over by 1830- a year before Darwin set sail on HMS Beagle.

I agree, it should be discussed- for exactly the same reason that to learn the Three Laws of Thermodynamics, it helps to explain the now-discredited phlogiston theory, and to understand Einstein's General and Special Theories of Relativity, it helps to understand the previously-standard "ether" theory, and how it was disproven by the Michelson-Morley optical interferometer experiment in 1887.

To learn how we got where we are, it helps to know where we've been- and how we concluded that we didn't know the whole story.

cheers

eon

461 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:23am

re: #439 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - how are you doing - still on that Island off the coast of Africa?

462 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:44am

re: #454 realwest

Good morning to you too - whacha mean "our bank"?!

'Our' as in where my family's money is kept...Wachovia. Better a private take over, though, than a government solution...

463 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:48am

sorry..the vote was on minor crap. they are still fighting about the small stuff, as usual.
fly poop in pepper

464 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:51am

Just exactly who is the old fogey?

Paradoxically, Obama is in some ways more a victim of age than McCain, although of a different sort. Obama is an advocate of ideas that have aged to the point of dementia. He’s an old-fashioned radical, and the leftist ideas that inspire him are no longer relevant to our world. As Hegel used to say, the world changes, and the ideas that once described reality, and could be used to effectively change it when necessary, no longer apply to the changed world. Obama’s political ideas have aged, which is why they have no policy saliency. They’re just words, fossilized remnants of a civilization that no longer exists.

Ledeen nails it.

465 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:25:35am

re: #456 WriterMom
AND Loppy

2004 featured a concerted effort to psyche out voters that almost succeeded in suppressing the Bush vote. Some early cooked exit polls in Ohioh IIRC. Since it worked we shuld expect that they would refine it this time around.

466 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:25:54am

re: #440 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops - hey, I don't recall you're being out here all that late last night/early this morning!
You young pups gotta learn to run with the older dogs to try to keep up! LOL!
How are you doing?

467 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:08am

Oh and to all the Mets fans - I am so sorry.

I can't imagine what sports radio is like down there this morning.

468 Oldasdirt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:40am

Still curious to see how the (truth squad) brown shirts,is going to work out.Any news covering this little fiasco.
I still have 2 and 1/2 hours till Rush comes on.

469 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:52am

re: #461 realwest

Yup, I have a little less than a week of vacation left.

470 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:27:14am
471 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:27:27am

re: #465 Peacekeeper

AND Loppy

2004 featured a concerted effort to psyche out voters that almost succeeded in suppressing the Bush vote. Some early cooked exit polls in Ohioh IIRC. Since it worked we shuld expect that they would refine it this time around.

Yep. When I got to HQ in NH I was expecting doom and gloom. They were all upbeat after getting their internal numbers for Lord Rove.

We knew NH was probably lost, but the battleground states were trending Bush.

472 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:27:42am

re: #466 realwest

Hi ya Hoops - hey, I don't recall you're being out here all that late last night/early this morning!
You young pups gotta learn to run with the older dogs to try to keep up! LOL!
How are you doing?

I'm doing great Real..It's going to be a beautiful day...I'm looking forward to it..

473 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:27:44am

re: #443 {loppyd}
Hey goodlooking! I was SO pleased to hear your father-in-law was out of IU the other day - how's he doing now?

474 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:02am

re: #468 Oldasdirt

Still curious to see how the (truth squad) brown shirts,is going to work out.Any news covering this little fiasco.
I still have 2 and 1/2 hours till Rush comes on.

He is like valium for me in times like this. :~)

475 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:22am

it helps to explain the now-discredited phlogiston theory,

Not the Phlogiston Theory! You want to start a flame war?

476 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:23am

re: #451 realwest

How are ya today my good friend?

Doing pretty good. Getting ready for the interview later this morning, then going to teach a class.

Also, interested in seeing how far the market dumps out today. I think it will drop a couple hundred, just wondering if it keeps going or if it rallies back at all.

The overseas markets dumped about 2 to 3%.

477 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:29am

re: #473 realwest
GAH - Step-Father, not father in law! My apologies
{loppyd}!

478 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:34am

good lord, Barney Frank speaks and it is just saddening. Picture Thomas Jefferson and Lincoln...how far we have "evolved"

479 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:29:08am

re: #473 realwest

Hey goodlooking! I was SO pleased to hear your father-in-law was out of IU the other day - how's he doing now?

{realwest}

Good Morning Handsome!

Thank you so much. He is doing much better. They are hoping to get him home by Wed or Thu.

My mom said his spirits are way up now that he doesn't have to have surgery.

480 right_on_target  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:05am

Has anyone seen the crap that is on the msnbc.com site that explains "Timeline: How we got in this mess"? See the Mess
The flash graphics is a pretty time line; but it begins in March, 2007! The blame is put on the Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan as the evil "Perfect Storm" brewers.
The MSM is pure propaganda!

481 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:12am

re: #477 realwest

I knew what you meant. :~)

482 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:31am

re: #475 Peacekeeper

I sold all my AIG shares and bought phlogiston futures. Are you trying to tell me something here?

483 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:18am

re: #479 loppyd

OY, loppy I didn't know...{loppy's step-father}, glad to hear he's on the mend.

484 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:28am

re: #448 Spirit93
Well hell, let the Panda join the club!
Sheesh - I am beginning to believe Obama will win because of this bailout - AND I KNOW IT'S NOT THE REPUBLICAN'S FAULT - though they do bear part of the burden of blame, but someone(s) was asleep at the switch during Dubya's last four years and the MSM is too STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THE CAUSES OF THIS FINANCIAL MESS - or don't want to report them!

485 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:41am

Markets are open and here we go....

By the way, I am stunned that the Bears beat the Eagles last night. By the end of the game the Bears conerbacks were all hurt and they were playing safties and receivers at corner.

486 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:32:41am

re: #480 right_on_target

Has anyone seen the crap that is on the msnbc.com site that explains "Timeline: How we got in this mess"? See the Mess
The flash graphics is a pretty time line; but it begins in March, 2007! The blame is put on the Federal Reserve and Alan Greenspan as the evil "Perfect Storm" brewers.
The MSM is pure propaganda!

I'm surprised they laid any blame at the feet of Andrea Mitchell's husband.

Just because it's Monday and just because I can't stand her.....

487 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:32:44am

re: #482 Pullus Iulius

I sold all my AIG shares and bought phlogiston futures. Are you trying to tell me something here?

"Phlogisticated" substances are those that contain phlogiston and are "dephlogisticated" when burned; "in general, substances that burned in air were said to be rich in phlogiston; the fact that combustion soon ceased in an enclosed space was taken as clear-cut evidence that air had the capacity to absorb only a definite amount of phlogiston. When air had become completely phlogisticated it would no longer serve to support combustion of any material, nor would a metal heated in it yield a calx; nor could phlogisticated air support life, for the role of air in respiration was to remove the phlogiston from the body."[

I think the market is overly phlogiscated, don't you?

488 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:32:50am

DOW is down 120 already

489 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:33:03am

re: #453 HoosierHoops
ROTFLMAO! Good one Hoops!

490 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:33:48am

re: #480 right_on_target
WEll, of course! They can't go back to when it really started or it will show who is really responsible! How can you watch that crap and still have TV to watch, let alone your health?

491 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:12am

re: #483 WriterMom

OY, loppy I didn't know...{loppy's step-father}, glad to hear he's on the mend.

Thanks {WriterMom}....

492 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:27am

Phlogiston-flame war? It was a great pun! You people ...

493 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:32am

DOW now 132 down. I figure it goes down at least 300 points today.

494 soccerdad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:50am

Just in case anyone was unsure whether there was a 'problem' in the UK with 6th century barbaric practices...this article should dispel any 'rumours' (Brit pun intended). The bloodthirsty prophet's example is being followed to a "T"

The disclosure comes as official figures show that nearly 60 children aged 15 or under have been rescued by the Government's Forced Marriage Unit in the past four years.

The cases are feared to be the tip of the iceberg. They will fuel concerns, first raised earlier this year, that large numbers of children are disappearing from British schools to be forced into wedlock overseas.

9 year old rescued from forced marriage

Hmmm....who else do we know was nine years old when she was forced to marry?

And is it not chilling that the UK even HAS an entity called 'the forced marriage unit?"

495 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:35:03am

re: #459 Kenneth
Hello my friend - I'm doing ok, I guess - suffering from spending too much time grinding my teeth yesterday and last night, but otherwise just fine!
Glad to hear you had a nice, relaxing weekend!

496 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:35:11am

re: #480 right_on_target

How we got into this mess? Well that's obvious...once upon a time, Mr. George Bush met Mrs. Bush decided to have babies...and then the EVIL GEORGE W. BUSH was BORN-SPAWN OF SATAN...When George was born, three oracles bearing gifts came...One, the Prophet Karl Rove brought him the gift of Evil Mind Control Powers. Then Abraham the Patriarch came bearing the Contract of Indebtedness to the Evil Jews, and the last visitor came bearing the Secret Hurricaine and Weather Control wand, making sure that little George would be able to manipulate the clouds and the winds and kill many poor people in the process.

And then he grew up, STOLE THE ELECTION and made the economy melt down.

But not before coming up with a plan for the controlled demolition of the WTC-making sure the Jews got out first-and keeping the plan from the American people!

That's why we are in this mess!

497 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:36:01am

what about that goal line stand? re: #485 3 wood

Markets are open and here we go....

By the way, I am stunned that the Bears beat the Eagles last night. By the end of the game the Bears conerbacks were all hurt and they were playing safties and receivers at corner.

498 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:36:08am

So I gave my mom a little history lesson on ACORN yesterday. I waited until she was thoroughly horrified and disgusted to go in for the kill and tell her about Obama's connection.

She is wavering....I can feel it.

499 Spirit93  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:36:30am

re: #484 realwest

Well hell, let the Panda join the club!
Sheesh - I am beginning to believe Obama will win because of this bailout - AND I KNOW IT'S NOT THE REPUBLICAN'S FAULT - though they do bear part of the burden of blame, but someone(s) was asleep at the switch during Dubya's last four years and the MSM is too STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THE CAUSES OF THIS FINANCIAL MESS - or don't want to report them!

Not me, man.
I put my faith in the wisdom of the American People.

500 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:36:34am

re: #462 scottishbuzzsaw
Ah, rats! I thought you meant our as in you live somewhere in the Charlotte NC region! (Headquarters for Wachovia). Doesn't the FDIC protect that money?

501 kcladderman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:37:04am

re: #496 WriterMom

How we got into this mess? Well that's obvious...once upon a time, Mr. George Bush met Mrs. Bush decided to have babies...and then the EVIL GEORGE W. BUSH was BORN-SPAWN OF SATAN...When George was born, three oracles bearing gifts came...One, the Prophet Karl Rove brought him the gift of Evil Mind Control Powers. Then Abraham the Patriarch came bearing the Contract of Indebtedness to the Evil Jews, and the last visitor came bearing the Secret Hurricaine and Weather Control wand, making sure that little George would be able to manipulate the clouds and the winds and kill many poor people in the process.

And then he grew up, STOLE THE ELECTION and made the economy melt down.

But not before coming up with a plan for the controlled demolition of the WTC-making sure the Jews got out first-and keeping the plan from the American people!

That's why we are in this mess!

If only Shehag was able to go back in time and kill baby Bush just think how better the world would be today.
/

502 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:37:10am

re: #493 3 wood

DOW now 132 down. I figure it goes down at least 300 points today.

But.....but.....I thought this bailout "crap sandwich" was supposed to calm the markets.

What gives, 3 wood? Talk to me.

503 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:37:31am

re: #475 Peacekeeper

it helps to explain the now-discredited phlogiston theory,

Not the Phlogiston Theory! You want to start a flame war?

Hey, if I wanted to do that, I've have invoked the My Little Pony Theory of how rainbows are formed.

/besides, I've already flaunted Godwin's Law several times this morning, so I'm feeling a bit like Harry Palmer right now

cheers

eon

504 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:38:25am

re: #496 WriterMom
Did you write script for the new Oliver Stone movie?
;-)

505 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:38:25am

re: #467 loppyd
Sports radio down here today is all full of joy at the Cowboys loss - helps out the World Champion New York Giants!
/ducks and runs for more coffee!

506 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:39:02am

Good morning everyone, Don't know if this has been posted yet, but, Obama's campaign is now threatening media who run NRA ads showing Obama's record on gun control. They are sending letters to stations who run the ads threatening FCC licenses.
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

507 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:05am

re: #505 realwest

Sports radio down here today is all full of joy at the Cowboys loss - helps out the World Champion New York Giants!
/ducks and runs for more coffee!

No need to duck.

I have faith the Eli will never be able to pull off anything like that SB win again.

508 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:14am

re: #493 3 wood

DOW now 132 down. I figure it goes down at least 300 points today.


There is no magic bullet.

509 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:28am

re: #500 realwest

Ah, rats! I thought you meant our as in you live somewhere in the Charlotte NC region! (Headquarters for Wachovia). Doesn't the FDIC protect that money?

Oh, sorry...living in MO right now, between the mighty Mississippi and Missouri rivers...damp livin'...and yes, the FDIC protects...at least, I think it still does! ;>)

510 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:51am

re: #489 realwest


Hey Real!

The Missouri story is front paged on the Drudge Report!
One of them:
Snip:

"Whether it is directly attributable to the campaign or one of the soft money operations," McCulloch told me, "if they're not going to tell the truth, then somebody's got to step up and say 'wait a minute, that's not true, this is the truth.'"

For reasons that are still not fully clear, prosecutors promising to tell the public the truth have sparked outrage among supporters of John McCain. Said John Mills.


Oh they are clear all right, much as Mills wants to pretend they aren't!
It's the POWER those people hold that makes this abusive not what they say.

snip:

More than 90,000 people from across the country watched my report on KMOV.com. Click here to watch the report

When I returned to the office on Saturday, I spoke with callers from New York to Florida who had heard about Obama's truth squad and were outraged about it.

One caller said he was angry, because people were going to be "prosecuted" and "indicted" for stating their political views.

Another caller said Obama was planning to send police to the homes of elderly women because of their political statements.


A third caller said he wanted information about Obama's "storm troopers."
It's all here

511 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:41:01am

re: #485 3 wood

Markets are open and here we go....


By the way, I am stunned that the Bears beat the Eagles last night.
By the end of the game the Bears conerbacks were all hurt and they were
playing safties and receivers at corner.

You are forgetting that the Bears were up against Andy Reid's patented last minute play-calling skills.

512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:41:05am

Funny (but not) as hell.

Watching "America's Newsroom on Fox.

This segment was sponsored by "Wachovia". Then ran a Wachovia commercial. Huh. Who's gonna pay for that? Or, is it pre-paid.

Don't know how this works.

513 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:33am
514 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:50am
515 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #476 3 wood
Arggh! I forgot it was today (the interview!) - I thought it was Tuesday, no?! In any event the best of luck to you!

516 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:58am

re: #487 Peacekeeper

I think the market is overly phlogiscated, don't you?

I agree. I'm pulling everything out. There's this Lysenko guy who says he can grow oranges in Siberia. That's where my money's going.

517 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:13am

re: #498 loppyd
thanks, loppyd, for doing a small part of what needs to be done everywhere. My daughter is starting to get informed as well, and is now sending me articles about Obama. She is sending them to her friends (30 somethings that are not politically informed but would probably vote for Obama cause it's "cool")
Warms the cackles of my heart :-)

518 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:31am

re: #446 ratso

your back 3 what happend to the weather alert of earlier?

It's raining but the lightening passed.

519 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:01am

You thought the Bears were tough on the Eagles last night? Wait till you see what they do to the Bulls today...

520 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:13am
521 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:44am

re: #510 Typicalwhitey

Hey Real!

The Missouri story is front paged on the Drudge Report!
One of them:
Snip:


A third caller said he wanted information about Obama's "storm troopers."
It's all here

Thank you for all you've done on this issue...great job.

522 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:44am

re: #506 CapeCoddah

Good morning everyone, Don't know if this has been posted yet, but, Obama's campaign is now threatening media who run NRA ads showing Obama's record on gun control. They are sending letters to stations who run the ads threatening FCC licenses.
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Heh. Every blue moon or so, the NRA wakes up and takes a bite.

Sounds like they connected.

523 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:57am

re: #506 CapeCoddah

Good morning everyone, Don't know if this has been posted yet, but, Obama's campaign is now threatening media who run NRA ads showing Obama's record on gun control. They are sending letters to stations who run the ads threatening FCC licenses.
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Once more, police-state tactics from the Obamessiah and his minions, who are adamant that no one find out what he really has in mind until after he's taken the Oath of Office- probably with his fingers crossed behind his back, like Bill Clinton.

If he's willing to pull stunts like this now, just imagine what he'll be like when he's in the Oval Office and has his "big as the military/as well-funded as the miltary" National Volunteer Corps Sturmabteilung to play with?

cheers

eon

524 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:00am

My bank has always appeared (to me) to be really conservative. Walking into the lobby is like going back in time.

Got my mortgage through them, still pay my mortgage to them. Hope my trust is well placed.

525 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:41am

LGF: Highly Phlogiscated.

526 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:06am

re: #518 3 wood
good, stay safe

527 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:23am
528 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:23am

re: #492 Peacekeeper
Well it probably woulda gone over better if it wasn't so hard to "pronounce" - we people my ass!
LOL!
How are you PK?!

529 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:04am

Well, I just got a call from the people I'm helping move for carpeting. Packing-up help needed. Gotta run.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

530 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:10am

re: #520 ploome hineni

LOL, I'm thinking the moonbats will be sobbing into their morning granola on the day after the election. Those who's heads fail to explode, that is

531 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:44am

re: #502 loppyd

But.....but.....I thought this bailout "crap sandwich" was supposed to calm the markets.

What gives, 3 wood? Talk to me.

There's been so much damage done with all the delay and dithering and screwing around, there is a general panic going on now.

Plus they still have the mark to market problem, te uptick rule still has not been reinstated, and they need to raise the FDIC insurance to at least $1 million.

The LIBOR spread is still increasing, so banks are still not lending to one another. I think you are going to see small banks folding now.

532 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:46am

re: #528 realwest
Off to work, God bless ...

533 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:59am

re: #498 loppyd
"She is wavering....I can feel it." YEA {loppyd} push, push and then push the truth some more!

534 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:48:00am

re: #529 eon

Well, I just got a call from the people I'm helping move for carpeting. Packing-up help needed. Gotta run.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

Have a good one, eon...

535 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:48:57am

re: #505 realwest

Sports radio down here today is all full of joy at the Cowboys loss - helps out the World Champion New York Giants!
/ducks and runs for more coffee!

How 'bout them Yankees!

536 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:49:22am

Democrats on Hill Worried About Biden at Debate


But as the two vice presidential nominees prepare for their one debate this Thursday, there are a number of Democrats who, off the record, say they're worried that despite his far greater breadth of knowledge, Biden could whiff it.

He can be verbose and has a propensity for gaffes, they say. The son-of-Scranton candor they usually find charming can sometimes seem reckless or insensitive.

That Biden will be debating the first Republican woman vice presidential nominee makes his challenge all the greater.

537 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:49:54am

re: #535 3 wood

How 'bout them Yankees!

ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.

538 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:07am

re: #511 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You are forgetting that the Bears were up against Andy Reid's patented last minute play-calling skills.

Plus McNabb, while being very talented, is one of the worst QB's I have ever seen at reading a defense.

539 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:11am

re: #527 loppyd

Charlie Gibson The MSM would call this hubris predestined:

US elections: Barack Obama's team believes he can win by a landslide

540 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:25am

re: #536 loppyd

Democrats on Hill Worried About Biden at Debate

Are they worried he will be stripped like a moose?

- Alcee Hastings, big game expert

541 Beach Lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:46am

whoever this guy is on CSPAN ,Adam Putnam from FL, just misstated that "the largest bank in the US, last week failed" WAMU was not the largest bank in the US, but the largest bank to fail. there is a difference!
/gack...I have to shut of CSPAN now

542 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:55am

re: #527 loppyd

Charlie Gibson would call this hubris:

US elections: Barack Obama's team believes he can win by a landslide

You can definitely see this belief slipping through in his statements. He is getting more and more confident by the day. Like in the debate when he proclaimed that as president, he could meet with whomever he wanted whenever he wanted, wherever he wanted. All that arrogance is going to make Nov 4th that much worse if current trends hold.

Remember all those MSM's screaming about Bush not having a mandate in '00 and some in '04? If Obama wins by any margin they'll proclaim he was given enough mandate to rewrite the constitution.

543 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:03am

re: #507 loppyd
Ya know, loppyd, I never figured you for being such a sore looser. Biggest game of his career (following three ROAD play-off games of his career) and all he does is lead the Giants to a victory over what was clearly a superior team and STILL you diss ole Eli?!

544 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #531 3 wood

There's been so much damage done with all the delay and dithering and screwing around, there is a general panic going on now.

Plus they still have the mark to market problem, te uptick rule still has not been reinstated, and they need to raise the FDIC insurance to at least $1 million.

The LIBOR spread is still increasing, so banks are still not lending to one another. I think you are going to see small banks folding now.

Thanks, 3 wood.

LIBOR is a dirty word in my house these days.

545 OldLineTexan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:28am

re: #536 loppyd

Democrats on Hill Worried About Biden at Debate

Have the Chicago Mob pre-plant his feet in a #3 tub of cement.

That way he can't get 'em in his mouth.

546 Spider Mensch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:41am

re: #520 ploome hineni

heh..I see the hubris is not only in obama. it runs in the whole campaign, heck it practically gallops! their hubris will be their downfall.

547 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:53:04am
548 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:53:11am

re: #443 loppyd

I'm gonna chime in here. I picked the following up on another blog, from a poster that wanted to remain anonymous, so he/she shall:

But if your guy can't win the election with
-no negative record
-a deeply unpopular President
-a mainstream media 200% in the tank for him and unwilling to report on anything remotely negative about him.
-99% of the African American vote
-a current deep financial crisis that he and Congress can blame on Bush
-no active security issue on the table
-Hillary Clinton essentially out of the picture
- a Democratic majority in Congress
-Oprah

then he absolutely, 100% sucks. The situation could not possibly be more in his favor unless pictures of McCain fondling prepubescent boys were found.

The obamessiah is going down, but in order for that to happen we have to vote.

549 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:53:21am

re: #543 realwest

Ya know, loppyd, I never figured you for being such a sore looser. Biggest game of his career (following three ROAD play-off games of his career) and all he does is lead the Giants to a victory over what was clearly a superior team and STILL you diss ole Eli?!

I don't take anything away from him - he turned in an epic performance. I still say it was a fluke. Not that the Patriots lost - not at all. But that he performed in the way of fairy tales. I would bet my next car payment that his brother will get another ring before him.

550 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:53:30am

Good morning LGF.

Welcome to the mild, calm beginning of the shallow, brief recession./

BTW, does anyone know how to email a recipe without disclosing one's own email addy? (No offence, but it's private.)

552 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:53:57am

re: #538 3 wood

Plus McNabb, while being very talented, is one of the worst QB's I have ever seen at reading a defense.

Racist!
/

553 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:54:11am

re: #547 ploome hineni

I just hope Gov Palin doesn;t use the same phrases she has been using in almost every interview and speech she give

she is hugely capable, but very artless

They need to let her be the woman that America fell in love with earlier this month.

554 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:54:49am

re: #527 loppyd

Losers always think they're winners. Right before they lose. This is far from over.

555 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:55:34am

Obama's team filed a Motion to Dismiss in the Phillip Berg lawsuit which cites the issues Galloping Granny is discussing. I am not sure what the status of that motion is right now. Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, a few of the issues in the lawsuit:

In the filing Berg says:

There have been numerous questions raised about Obama’s background with no satisfactory answers. The questions that I have addressed include, but are not limited to:

1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?

2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?

3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?

4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.

5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.

If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.

Berg goes on to make very direct accusations against Obama, stating that he "lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process."

556 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:55:54am

re: #520 ploome hineni

Barack Obama's senior aides believe he is on course for a landslide election victory over John McCain and will comfortably exceed most current predictions in the race for the White House.

Well, pride comes before the fall. But when 0bama loses, with these kind of statements, we'll have riots; the arguments that Bush "stole" the election will look like polite disagreements compared.

557 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:05am

re: #549 loppyd

I don't take anything away from him - he turned in an epic performance. I still say it was a fluke. Not that the Patriots lost - not at all. But that he performed in the way of fairy tales. I would bet my next car payment that his brother will get another ring before him.


Hopefully you drive a new BMW..I'd take that action..Who gets the Vig? Realwest?

558 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:07am

re: #550 sparrowlake

Good morning LGF.

Welcome to the mild, calm beginning of the shallow, brief recession./

BTW, does anyone know how to email a recipe without disclosing one's own email addy? (No offence, but it's private.)


yes, have someone else mail it? :)

559 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:10am

re: #554 Pullus Iulius

Losers always think they're winners. Right before they lose. This is far from over.

I agree and I will stick to my 10 point theory.

560 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:22am
561 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:22am

re: #493 3 wood

DOW now 132 down. I figure it goes down at least 300 points today.

And so it has.

562 joan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:41am

[Link: www.thecuttingedgenews.com...]

Interfaith Rally Protests Religious Reception Honoring Ahmadinejad

563 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:50am

re: #557 HoosierHoops

Hopefully you drive a new BMW..I'd take that action..Who gets the Vig? Realwest?

LOL - 2001 Subaru Outback.

564 soccerdad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:58:07am

re: #538 3 wood

Plus McNabb, while being very talented, is one of the worst QB's I have ever seen at reading a defense.

Give the guy a break. It was NOT McNabb's fault. Friggin Andy Reid calls four plays into the line from inside the 5? how about a little naked boot with one of the best running QBs in the game?

565 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:58:34am

re: #542 NC State of Mind

You can definitely see this belief slipping through in his statements. He is getting more and more confident by the day. Like in the debate when he proclaimed that as president, he could meet with whomever he wanted whenever he wanted, wherever he wanted. All that arrogance is going to make Nov 4th that much worse if current trends hold.

Remember all those MSM's screaming about Bush not having a mandate in '00 and some in '04? If Obama wins by any margin they'll proclaim he was given enough mandate to rewrite the constitution.

Rewrite the constitution? He'll just ignore it. He'll appoint judges who say international law and the precedents of other countries are more important.
And don't we have a justice who thinks that already?

566 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:58:49am

DOW is 235 down and still plummeting.

Folks, you are seeing a genuine market melt down happening before your eyes.

This is going to take a long time to recover from.

I just found out that one of my neighbors handed in the keys to their house and walked away a couple weeks ago, could not afford the mortgage. I thought they were on vacation.

I see coming:

1. Deflation

2. Unemployemnt of at least 10% (unemployment benefits need to be extended now to ease the blow). Companies will also be slashing costs/salaries via any means they can.

3. Dropping demand for oil world wide. We may not need to build new refineries after all.

4. Many smaller banks closing.

5. It will be almost impossible to get a loan for quite a while.

567 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:59:25am

So I have to call a state office in Wisconsin today. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they are more friendly and helpful than the MA hacks I am used to dealing with.

568 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:59:48am

re: #558 ratso

yes, have someone else mail it? :)

oh well...never mind.

569 Alouette  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:14am

Good morning Lizards! Happy Erev Rosh Hashanah! (New Year's Eve).

570 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:18am

re: #566 3 wood

I love you, but I hope you're wrong....

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:59am

re: #569 Alouette

Thanks for the reminder. Happy New Year my Jewish Lizard Friends!

572 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:01:07am

re: #510 Typicalwhitey
Hey Typicalwhitey - you go girl! Mr. Mills probably hadda change his underwear three times yesterday!
But the Drudge report shows the problems we face; we don't have access to any TV stations or networks.
Woud love to sit down with Mr. Mills and tell him that - right out of the gate - it's UNETHICAL for any public official to "politic" on government time and one of these two idiots who said it ON TV VIDEO is already wrong - Under a President Obama anyone making more than $45,000 is going to pay higher taxes because Obama has stated that he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts expire! Some "truth squad".
But I am indeed VERY PROUD OF YOU for your valiant efforts on this and - this being a Monday I can only hope that today people will be in their offices see your wonderful letters and get cracking on this!

573 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:01am

re: #564 soccerdad

Give the guy a break. It was NOT McNabb's fault. Friggin Andy Reid calls four plays into the line from inside the 5? how about a little naked boot with one of the best running QBs in the game?

That's just it, McNabb can audible. The Bears clearly were stacking the line (by the way Reid does tip off pas vs. run on how he has the RB line up, it is so obvious my labrador retriever was reading pass vs. run last night). The fact that McNabb did not audible tells me a lot.

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:05am

re: #545 OldLineTexan

Have the Chicago Mob pre-plant his feet in a #3 tub of cement.

That way he can't get 'em in his mouth.

He's got a really big mouth. #3 tub big enough?

575 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:38am

re: #570 loppyd

I love you, but I hope you're wrong....

I have never so much wanted to be wrong in my life.

576 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:56am

re: #568 sparrowlake

oh well...never mind.


Good Morning Sparrow.. The next time reine is on-line just post it here at LGF and she can copy and paste it..
What kind of Recipe? I don't think anybody has submitted a recipe for moonshine yet... or homemade beer..
:)

577 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:58am
578 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:04:00am

re: #569 Alouette

Blessed "Days of Awe" to you, Alouette!

579 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:04:16am
580 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:04:36am
581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:18am

re: #577 ploome hineni

I'm wearing vertical stripes today. It's an optical illusion. Makes me look taller too.

582 legalpad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:42am

re: #496 WriterMom

That's probably verbatim from MSNBC, who I have the sense never to read/watch.

583 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:42am

well g'day lizards, i am smarter and wiser from this morings session, thank you.

584 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:08am

re: #535 3 wood
GRRRRR! Well hell, ya can't win 'em all 3 wood. Still have more world championships than any other professional sports franchise history WAAAY more!
I think the Massachusetts Celtics are in second place, all time!

585 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:13am

re: #580 ploome hineni

go to search, upper right of this page, enter reine's name

her posts will be listed

her nic is blue.....send her the recipe..

easier for her

:D

I agree Ploome..But sparrow doesn't want to reveal her email address.
{ploome} Good Morning!

586 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:24am

re: #583 ratso

well g'day lizards, i am smarter and wiser from this morings session, thank you.

See you later, cuz...take care.

587 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:14am

Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me...

588 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:22am
589 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:43am

re: #585 HoosierHoops

I agree Ploome..But sparrow doesn't want to reveal her email address.
{ploome} Good Morning!

Just go to yahoo. open a new screen name. email the dang thang. then don't use the screen name again. Problem solved.

590 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:46am

re: #566 3 wood

DOW is 235 down and still plummeting.

Folks, you are seeing a genuine market melt down happening before your eyes.

This is going to take a long time to recover from.

I just found out that one of my neighbors handed in the keys to their house and walked away a couple weeks ago, could not afford the mortgage. I thought they were on vacation.

I see coming:

1. Deflation

2. Unemployemnt of at least 10% (unemployment benefits need to be extended now to ease the blow). Companies will also be slashing costs/salaries via any means they can.

3. Dropping demand for oil world wide. We may not need to build new refineries after all.

4. Many smaller banks closing.

5. It will be almost impossible to get a loan for quite a while.

What are you talking about? Obama's going to talk this out and tax the greedy corporations. We're going to juuust fine.

591 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:48am

The Democrats would be toast if the media were not covering their collective corrupt asses.

592 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:57am
593 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:02am

re: #587 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me...

Happy Birthday...and many more...;>)

594 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:31am

re: #587 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me...

Happy Birthday! I'd offer you a drink but i heard you weren't 21 yet..
/

595 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:48am

Obama once again dazzling the crowd with his vision poor grammar.

"I know some of you got a little damp," Obama told the audience gathered in the school quad. "I’d like to cover everybody’s dry cleaning bill here tonight, but I can’t because I got to use it on the campaign, so consider it one more modest contribution to our efforts to change the country."

Nobody will ever dare to criticize his grammar or speech. But he drops his "G" s constantly is also fond of saying "I got to" and "we got to."

But keep on making fun of Sarah Palin, because it's cool.

596 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:50am
597 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:59am

re: #541 Beach Lover
Hey {Beach Lover} - what in the hell are you doing listening to CSPAN anyway?! Give up coffee to wake you up?! LOL!
Hey, how's the gasoline situation by where you live?

598 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:09:07am

Expect gold to jump and yields on bonds to drop as money flees the stock market and runs to safety.

Oil has dropped a bit this morning too.

599 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:09:45am
600 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:01am

Can't put off work any longer.

BBL

601 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:10am

re: #591 FrogMarch

The Democrats would be toast if the media were not covering their collective corrupt asses.

Hell, Bill Clinton has been more objective in his recent comments than most "journalists."

602 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:12am

re: #572 realwest
Thanks!
I will let you know if I get any replies today.

Did you get my email yesterday?

603 Onamesa  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:16am

Good morning all,

Have you seen this PAC video about Sen. Obama?

I noticed he was campaigning yesterday and he seems to have dusted off his phony southern accent. For some reason that really annoys me.

604 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:32am

DOW down 293 and still going. We will hit my prediction before the market has been open for 2 hours.

605 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:50am

re: #594 HoosierHoops

Happy Birthday! I'd offer you a drink but i heard you weren't 21 yet..
/

Thank you. You can just send some money to my Paypal account by clicking on my nic & I'll get my own beer (I have a fake ID).

606 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:11:31am

re: #599 ploome hineni

gold to jump?

It's up $1.50 already today.

607 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:12:51am

re: #549 loppyd
Uh, how much is your car payment? LOL! Well hell, I guess you're right - on a team noted for it's D (just ask my second favorite head coach, Bill Bellichek) where that D lost one all pro and has a second team all pro both injured, one out for the year, ole Eli has somehow stumbled the Giants to a 4-0 record so far.
What's Peyton's team doing this year so far?!

608 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:12:53am

re: #596 ploome hineni

see?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What I think I meant ( in Obama speak) was that sparrowlake didn't want to reveal her own personal email..
I think that's what I um um err..sortof umm ahhh meant..

609 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:13:00am

And the Dems are using this to the max for political gains. You want an Oct. Surprise, well, you got it early, in Sept.

If this was such a good idea then why is the stock market tanking this morning? Why are we not hearing barely anything from the Republicans and McCain? How come the auto makers bailout is a no news item? Did we tell the car makers that they can't use the money to open plants in Mexico? Of course not.

Screwed

610 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:13:04am
611 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:13:21am

Bingo, we are a t 308 and still dropping.

Only question now is how far will it drop.

612 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:13:27am
613 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:13:56am

re: #585 HoosierHoops

I agree Ploome..But sparrow doesn't want to reveal her his email address.

FIXED. And thanks.

614 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:14:37am

re: #538 3 wood
What on earth are you talking about? Gee whiz, so McNabb reads defenses using braille - I mean, uh, oh, I see whatcha mean! LOL!

615 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:05am

re: #610 ploome hineni

This is what I'm looking at FYI

616 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:39am
617 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:48am

re: #381 Spenser (with an S)

Thanks, Spider. That's what I needed. Where's Honorary Yooper? Isn't Blagoivich (sp?) being indicted today? That might help.

No idea if Blagojevich will be indicted soon or not. Unfortuantely, all we know is that Rezko seems to be singing like a canary to the Feds.

618 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:50am
619 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:17:03am

re: #614 realwest

What on earth are you talking about? Gee whiz, so McNabb reads defenses using braille - I mean, uh, oh, I see whatcha mean! LOL!

*snicker*

Being a Bears fan I have seen real bad QB's for 30 years. McNabb beats any of them for being incapable of reading a defense. He survives in the NFL just because of his physical gifts.

620 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:18:15am
621 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:23am

Shana Tova

My best wishes to everyone for a healthy and happy New Year.

We are taught that on Rosh Hashana the Book of Life is Written and on Yom Kippur the book is Sealed. This means that even if we have transgressed, we have one last chance in the 10 days ahead to do deed that might merit a better year ahead.

I have always found this to be a powerful thought, that no matter ones piety or station, you still have ten days to do better, to change the final outcome, even move things from bad to slightly better. But the central idea of behaving like you face Final Judgment itself is the key because all you are asked to do is open your heart a bit and do at least one thing more to make a difference.

If ever there was a time for great faith, with worldwide crisis and presidential elections hanging in the balance, it is now.

One of efforts this year is this prayer: Let this year be a better year for all mankind. Let this be a year of human freedom and the true triumph over the baser hearts in this world. Let this year see the peoples of this world return to fundamental decency and respect for the other and let this coming year see the utter destruction of the designs of the wicked. Let the all that is good and all who are good move from strength to strength.

The greatest human tools against crisis are courage and trust. Let us each and every one of us find the courage to stand with each other. This nation was founded on the principle of standing together and holding back strong tides by locking arms together and holding together no matter what odds.

As always on the New Year, I pray for real peace in Israel. I pray that Israel has the strength to defend herself and her leaders have the courage to do whatever takes, whatever the cost to confront the greatest threat to our existence in 69 years and succeed, that they see what they have to do clearly and go down the road together without fear and to complete Victory (with a Capital V).

To the enemies of of this nation and Israel, my prayer for you is to find curse of Balaam, who, when called upon to curse Israel, blessed it instead. There is another road for you and, even in this late hour, you too can still change and find a certain redemption but this prayer has a second verse: if you don't change you shall join the ash heap of history- the parade of others who tried and march forever in a line around hell itself.

Remember, we live in an age when unbelievable events happen every day. We should each of us work hard to merit blessings and a good inscritption in the Book of Life.

Best wishes to all of you, my friends, to you and your families.

622 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:30am

I just wrote to my congresscritter. She's a liberal in a liberal district, but she's the only one I have. Writing to my senators will be even more futile. One of them is named Dodd.

623 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:48am

re: #573 3 wood

That's just it, McNabb can audible. The Bears clearly were stacking the line (by the way Reid does tip off pas vs. run on how he has the RB line up, it is so obvious my labrador retriever was reading pass vs. run last night). The fact that McNabb did not audible tells me a lot.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I have to agree that the play calling sucked. Jeeze-louise, at least spread the formation!

624 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:20:08am

re: #587 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkeyHey Happy Birthday to you! And many, many more!

625 Dead Man Voting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:20:36am

...

626 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:20:50am

Happy Birthday BDVM!

I will be back later to dole out your spankings. :)

627 WrathofG-d  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:20:56am

Not sure I will be on until Wednesday night, so I wanted to wish all the Jewish LGF posters

L'Shana Tova!

628 Ben Hur  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:21:00am

Online Poll Votes.....who really won

As you can see 94% of online readers who go to Drudge Report come from the United States where most are eligible to vote and have a say in this. American Drudge Report readers are more likely to have participated in Drudge's online poll vote since it's visible on the top main page.

But if you look at MSNBC's traffic details approximately 21% of online readers went directly to MSNBC's online poll came from the United States with 79% coming from foreign countries.

Amazing.

And Boker effen Tov and Shana effen Tova.

629 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:21:17am
630 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:22:12am

re: #598 3 wood
Uh, I get the gold part, but not the bonds part - can you explain in say 50 words or less (and please use small words!)?

631 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:22:50am

re: #618 ploome hineni

who wants to email her?

I want to send in a recipe but I don't want to send by ordinary email because I don't want to disclose my email addy. I went where you suggested but I didn't get to safe mail.
Thanks anyways for the suggestion.

632 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:23:03am

re: #625 Dead Man Voting

Jus' wonderin' when I can expect a piece of the miracle express....

When you stop paying your bills.

/no justice, no peace

633 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:23:35am
635 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:24:20am

re: #622 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I just wrote to my congresscritter. She's a liberal in a liberal district, but she's the only one I have. Writing to my senators will be even more futile. One of them is named Dodd.

My sympathies.

Dodd is the biggest crook in the joint.

636 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:24:21am

re: #602 Typicalwhitey
Which one Typicalwhitey? I replied to all the ones you sent to me over the weekend, I'm pretty sure!
Can ya resend the one from yesterday that you don't think I responded to?

637 phoenixgirl  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:24:56am

so let me get this straight, we give the gov't 700 billion dollars and they promise to give some of it back to us later if they make anything from the buy out? do the ones who pay more get more back? are they giving those that pay nothing something too? do they feed themselves first and throw us a bone?

why do i feel like i'm being scammed?/

638 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:25:09am

re: #616 taxfreekiller

I'm just focusing on the billions of dollars of capital that is vanishing before our eyes during this melt down. You then multiply that by a factor of about 10 for the "Multiplier Effect" and you have massive macroeconomic damage.

I have no qualms about the concerns over the Democratic power grab. I agree with a lot of those concerns myself.

But I've been peering over the edge of the abyss at this melt down for the last few weeks and trying to figure out some way for us to avoid it.

One of my specific areas of study in Grad School was the causes of the Great Depression, and then how did we get out of it. I studied it with fascination. My Grandparents and parents talked about it all the time.

I never thought I would actually live through a repeat of it myself.

Now I'm pretty sure I am.

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:25:20am

re: #628 Ben Hur

Happy New Year Ben!

Not Jewish here, how high does Rosh Hashanah rate on as far as the Jewish holiday's go.

Not being flip. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being holiest day....?

640 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:26:27am

re: #620 ploome hineni

Thanks.

641 lori lane  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:27:16am

Good morning, Lizzards! Happy Monday!

642 aussiemagpie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:07am

re: #587 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Happy Birthday to me, Happy Birthday to me...

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

And Happy Birthday BDVM!

Another clever, intelligent, gorgeous Libran :-)

643 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:18am
644 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:20am

re: #621 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Thank you and the same to you and yours, and to all Lizards.
May you all be inscribed and sealed in the Book of Life for the coming year.
L'Shana Tova Tikateyvu v'Tikateymu.

645 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:46am

re: #619 3 wood

646 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:53am

re: #621 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
My best wishes for you and your family...
I've always said the best thing about being a German Catholic married to a jewish girl is that we get double the Holidays..
Often.. i can get chased around the room by saying it's not the 'days of awe' But the days of shock and awe..
/Luckily she is very ticklish when she catches up to me.

647 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:29:14am

re: #621 Ayatollah Ghilmeini A Happy and Blessed New Year to you and yours my friend.
And I'll certainly join you in that prayer.
Thank you.
Again.

648 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:29:35am
649 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:30:12am

re: #630 realwest

Uh, I get the gold part, but not the bonds part - can you explain in say 50 words or less (and please use small words!)?

The yield on bonds goes in the opposite direction of market price. As people rush to put their money into bonds as a safe haven, they bid the price up so the yield (not the coupon rate) drops as a result.

Then when they dump out of the bonds and the market price drops, yield goes up.

I made millions for a former employer for many years doing just that with a part of their portfolio.

650 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:30:17am

re: #633 ploome hineni

trust me, she will not email you
lol

I trust you. LOLOL.

651 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:30:50am

re: #619 3 wood

Being a Bears fan I have seen real bad QB's for 30 years. McNabb beats any of them for being incapable of reading a defense.

Two words:

/Tavaris Jackson

652 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:31:18am

Some people are buying up some bargains, the DOW has crawled back to 256 down for the moment

653 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:32:11am

{Lori} good morning..you just reminded me to go check out your website and catch up on the new pictures.

654 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:32:21am

re: #651 Killian Bundy

Two words:

/Tavaris Jackson

I see your Tavaris Jackson and see you with a Rex Grossman.

655 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:33:00am

re: #635 DeafDog
"Dodd is the biggest crook in the joint." Now hold on there. He's got some VERY STRONG competition from Frank, Reid, Pelosi and Rangel - you know Dodds been working at it, but I tell ya Barney Franks has him sweating to get that title.

656 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:33:49am

re: #654 3 wood

I see your Tavaris Jackson and see you with a Rex Grossman.

I go all in with Brody Croyle and Tyler Thigpen.

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:33:53am

re: #652 3 wood

I guess you are telling the truth as you see it. Next registration you should come up with a sock, "VOICE OF DOOM!"

Seriously, I appreciate your play by play and analysis of this stuff. I'd be lost without you (and a few others) on this.

658 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:34:21am

re: #638 3 wood

Don't be a twit. You are predicting a great depression and yet you only think there will be a 500 drop in the DOW Industrial averages? Back in 1987, there was a 20+% drop in one day! That would be a 3000 point drop in today's terms.

Try to keep perspective.

659 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:34:57am

re: #655 realwest

"Dodd is the biggest crook in the joint." Now hold on there. He's got some VERY STRONG competition from Frank, Reid, Pelosi and Rangel - you know Dodds been working at it, but I tell ya Barney Franks has him sweating to get that title.


Hey RW, ironic that the thieves who did all this are gonna walk away with the Presidency, House, and Senate.

660 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:36:07am

Good morning, Lizards.

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:36:23am

re: #658 DeafDog

Don't name call. Where has your analysis been during this? I may have just missed it, but, haven't seen it.

662 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:36:38am
663 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:36:52am

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

Wow... ok. I prefer flying Frontier unless of course you get a better deal with some other airline.

If Walter needs a ride from the airport I got him covered.

664 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:37:00am

re: #658 DeafDog

Reasonable points, but don't call 3 wood names! Not cool.

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:37:39am

re: #664 Spenser (with an S)

Thanks Cpenser.

666 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:37:45am

re: #658 DeafDog

The problems now are vastly different than they were in 1987.

667 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:01am

re: #649 3 wood
D'uh oh - I KNEW THAT. NO really I did, I think. I mean I'm pretty sure I knew that. Or something like that!
LOL!

BTW - I do disagree that we are on the brink of a depression worse than the Great Depression (wonder how the hell it got THAT name?) where 1 out of every 3 Americans were unable to find work for 5 years or more. I strongly expect a significant recession but not a depression.
Unless Obama wins, then all bets are off.

668 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:05am

ooooooooooooooooooh

669 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:08am

re: #655 realwest

"Dodd is the biggest crook in the joint." Now hold on there. He's got some VERY STRONG competition from Frank, Reid, Pelosi and Rangel - you know Dodds been working at it, but I tell ya Barney Franks has him sweating to get that title.

Isn't that like trying to decide which one is the dirtiest pig in the pigsty?

670 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:24am

re: #668 MandyManners

ooooooooooooooooooh

was it good for you?

671 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:48am

You're welcome, Phat Bastard.

672 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:58am

re: #668 MandyManners

ooooooooooooooooooh

You. Are. Welcome!

673 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:38:59am

re: #658 DeafDog

Don't be a twit. You are predicting a great depression and yet you only think there will be a 500 drop in the DOW Industrial averages? Back in 1987, there was a 20+% drop in one day! That would be a 3000 point drop in today's terms.

Try to keep perspective.

Deaf has fallen for the Democrat line. This is the worst_______________since the Great Depression.

674 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:39:07am

re: #662 ploome hineni

hi

how are you doing this morning?

I'm well...thank you ploome. How are you this morning?

675 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #656 kansas
"Tyler Thigpen" ? You just made that up, didn't you?!

676 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:39:41am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those who follow Mets baseball, yesterday was a sad day - the end of Shea Stadium and the end of the Mets season as their bullpen once again blew it and couldn't buy a hit after Beltran hit a 2-run homer to tie the game.

I was at the game and have the photos to prove it. I'll be posting them later, but suffice it to say, it was like a wake/funeral as the outs ticked down and the Mets fans realized their season was shot. Again.

677 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:40:07am

re: #660 jorline

Mornin Jorline - Hope you're doing well today.

iI you sent me an email explaining how to link an attachment, I did not receive it.

678 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:40:22am

re: #658 DeafDog


We have already lost 20% off the DOW this year.

We are on the verge of making that 30% to 40%. That is a massive loss of capital to the system.

The credit markets are still locked up. LIBOR is at about a 112 basis point premium which means that banks are holding onto their cash and not loaning it out. Billions of dollars are being drained out of the banking system as large investors are taking their cash and converting it into t-bills.

679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:40:23am

The pirates are near "Jabooty". What a name! Now I gotta find out how it really is spelled.

680 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:40:52am

re: #675 realwest

"Tyler Thigpen" ? You just made that up, didn't you?!

No he started for the Kansas City Chiefs last week.

681 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:42:10am

re: #660 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning Jorline!
grabbing another cup of java..back in a sec.

682 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:42:13am

Djibouti. We have a base there that my neighbor's Marine detachment was guarding in the horn of Africa.

683 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:42:35am

re: #676 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those who follow Mets baseball, yesterday was a sad day - the end of Shea Stadium and the end of the Mets season as their bullpen once again blew it and couldn't buy a hit after Beltran hit a 2-run homer to tie the game.

I was at the game and have the photos to prove it. I'll be posting them later, but suffice it to say, it was like a wake/funeral as the outs ticked down and the Mets fans realized their season was shot. Again.

The Universal Symbol for Choking

684 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:42:37am

re: #656 kansas

I go all in with Brody Croyle and Tyler Thigpen.

I raise you a Rusty Lisch and a Rick Mirer (both from Notre Dame by the way)

685 Joan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:43:09am

re: #61 Tigger2005

Great work, Tigger2005

686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:43:34am

re: #679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The pirates are near "Jabooty". What a name! Now I gotta find out how it really is spelled.

Djibouti. So cool. Pronounced Ja-Booty!

687 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:43:40am

re: #679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The pirates are near "Jabooty". What a name! Now I gotta find out how it really is spelled.

No pirates near me booty! Arrr!

688 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:44:03am

3wood,

We have already lost 20% off the DOW this year.

We are on the verge of making that 30% to 40%. That is a massive loss of capital to the system.

The credit markets are still locked up. LIBOR is at about a 112 basis point premium which means that banks are holding onto their cash and not loaning it out. Billions of dollars are being drained out of the banking system as large investors are taking their cash and converting it into t-bills.

Will the $700 billion dollar bailout do anything to stop this collapse?

689 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:44:30am

Russian Crew Member Dies on Ukrainian Ship

...The captain, a Ukrainian, then told the BBC that a Russian crew member had died from hypertension.

I suggest Russia would probably take military action against Somalian pirates. ... for Russia the deployment of a ship has a purpose, and it isn't to be a coalition partner. There will be an incident somewhere and plenty of photography to prove it, Putin will have his headline. No doubt this new headline, the death of a Russian citizen in the hands of pirates, shapes the necessity for a new, positive headline for the Russian leadership in the future.

...According to this report out of China, even after the ship is released it still may be seized, as there are questions whether the ship is violating a UN weapons embargo to the Sudan.

Andrew Mwangura of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program said on Sunday the Somali pirates claim to be in possession of confidential documents showing that the arms were actually destined for southern Sudan and not Kenya.

Mwangura said that the hijacked ship-MV Faina was ferrying the fourth such consignment from Ukrainian to southern Sudan.

"One of the cargo arrived at the port of Mombasa in October last year, two in February this year. The seized load of 33 Russian-built T-72 tanks and some ammunition was the fourth cargo with military equipment for southern Sudan," Mwangura told Xinhua by telephone on Sunday.

If this is true, the Russians have extra cause to be concerned.

690 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:44:40am

re: #660 jorline
Hey good morning jorline, how are you today?

691 lori lane  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:44:41am

re: #653 HoosierHoops

{Lori} good morning..you just reminded me to go check out your website and catch up on the new pictures.

Hey, {HH}. We got thumped again this weekend, but at least we were actually IN the game this time. Had some difficulty taking my photos this time... discovered through about 4 ushers/ticket scanners that a camera with an "extended lens" is now not allowed in the stands without a press pass. CRAZY. The girl usher said she would "report me" if I didn't stop using it. Grrrrr. I've posted my experiences on the sports message board, and others had the same problem. Guess they think of us as competition with their new university photo store. Hope to get the rule changed. :-(

692 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:45:04am

re: #679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Djibouti

693 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:45:10am

re: #670 Kenneth

re: #672 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got the evil number.

694 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:45:17am
695 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:45:20am

re: #655 realwest

"Dodd is the biggest crook in the joint." Now hold on there. He's got some VERY STRONG competition from Frank, Reid, Pelosi and Rangel - you know Dodds been working at it, but I tell ya Barney Franks has him sweating to get that title.

Point taken. Especially on Reid, IMO. Reid's real estate deals in Vegas stink to heaven. The Media gave him a pass because they couldn't tie it to Bush

Dodd's been playing the Fannie Mae 'donation' game, even though he's had no serious threats to keeping his seat...his campaign funds are a nice little slush fund for him. He's also a "Friend of Angelo" and got the sweet-heart loan deal....again, no scrutiny. The lack of scrutiny on the Dems pisses me off.

You folks in Connecticut need to throw that bum out.

Franks is an idiot, but other than his boyfirend running the gay sex prostitution ring out of his house, I have not heard any stories of corruption with him.

696 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:45:36am

re: #679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The pirates are near "Jabooty". What a name! Now I gotta find out how it really is spelled.

Djibouti.

697 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:46:09am

re: #668 MandyManners

I'll have what your having!

/had to be said

698 3 wood  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:46:17am

Sorry if I bummed people out with my thoughts on the market. Just saying what I see, and I've been a professional investment manager as well and taught economics for many years.

I hope I'm wrong.

699 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:46:35am

re: #693 MandyManners

Oh right. Have more coffee, Kenneth.

700 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:46:40am
701 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:46:43am

re: #687 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You got booty?

702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:02am

re: #696 MandyManners

Djibouti.

An iguana eating a pinapple in Djibouti was the answer I gave to an email brain-teaser that's been making the rounds. Very LGF-esque.

703 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:06am
704 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:19am
On the morning of Rosh Hashana as the congregation was filing into the sanctuary, Rabbi Feldman noticed little Max standing in the foyer of the synagogue staring up at a large plaque. It was covered with names with small American flags mounted on either side of it. The six-year old had been staring at the plaque for some time, so the rabbi walked up, stood beside the little boy, and said quietly, 'Boker tov, Max. '

'Boker tov, Rabbi Feldman,' he replied, still focused on the plaque. ' Rabbi Feldman, what is this?' he said, pointing to the plaque.

The good Rabbi tenderly put his arm around Max's shoulder and said, ' Well son, it's a memorial to all the young men and women who died in the service. '

Which service, Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur?'

705 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:23am

re: #658 DeafDog
Respectfully, calling 3 wood a twit is akin to saying that to Charles about programming and code writing.
He does it for a living - has for many years and I'd venture to say he knows oh, about 1000% more of things economic than you could ever possibly hope to.
What is it you do for a living, again?

706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:26am

re: #693 MandyManners

re: #672 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got the evil number.

Oh. Well then.

707 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:28am

re: #677 midwestgak

Mornin Jorline - Hope you're doing well today.

iI you sent me an email explaining how to link an attachment, I did not receive it.

Good morning. mwg. I didn't send it, but I will this morning...sorry.

708 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:29am

Oh jeez, I just turned on C-SPAN and there's Rep. Rangel. What's worse, I'm agreeing with some of what he's saying.

709 WriterMom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:34am

re: #703 ploome hineni

I saw, after I posted it.

GMTA.

BWAHAHHAHA

710 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:47:35am

re: #694 ploome hineni

:D grrrrrrrreat

/but I will have what Mandy's having

English breakfast.

711 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:06am

TRIVIA QUESTION(s)

American President Andrew Jackson was also embroiled in a major Bank crisis.
Some one tried to assassinate him as a result.

Q) How many guns did the assassin use in the attempt? and
How did President Jackson respond?

712 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:09am

re: #669 Kenneth

Isn't that like trying to decide which one is the dirtiest pig in the pigsty?

Since Dodd is on my farm, I say he's the dirtiest pig.

713 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:14am

re: #696 MandyManners

Djibouti.

I can google too! yay me!

714 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:28am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

Good morning Jorline!
grabbing another cup of java..back in a sec.

Hey, HH...did you give dorin several cups this morning?

715 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:29am

re: #702 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

An iguana eating a pinapple in Djibouti was the answer I gave to an email brain-teaser that's been making the rounds. Very LGF-esque.

What was the teaser?

716 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:35am

re: #698 3 wood

Sorry if I bummed people out with my thoughts on the market. Just saying what I see, and I've been a professional investment manager as well and taught economics for many years.

I hope I'm wrong.


Don't the market movers have to drive the market down so they can buy up the deals and steals?

717 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:49:03am

re: #711 rawmuse

TRIVIA QUESTION(s)

American President Andrew Jackson was also embroiled in a major Bank crisis.
Some one tried to assassinate him as a result.

Q) How many guns did the assassin use in the attempt? and
How did President Jackson respond?

Two guns? And Jackson whupped him up with his cane.

718 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:49:36am

re: #717 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The WINNAH! for the day!

719 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:49:36am

re: #713 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can google too! yay me!

I didn't Google. I knew it.

720 Wishing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:49:39am

Ok...i just saw this vid on Burgess from yesterday's CSPAN , saying we are under martial law, as stated by Pelosi. HUH?

Pelosi and martial law

721 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:49:41am

And here comes RonPaul.

722 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:50:38am

re: #661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #664 Spenser (with an S)

I apologize about name calling.

I disagree that we are on the edge of anything like a great depression. We are having a tough time in the stock/bond markets, and if you are in the stock/bond markets, then you are feeling the pain. Now is the time to keep your cool and not sell if you own quality assets.

Emotional arguments to sell are counterproductive and I saw nothing but emotional arguments by 3-wood.

723 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:50:42am

re: #711 rawmuse

The first attempt to do bodily harm to a President was against Jackson. Jackson ordered the dismissal of Robert B. Randolph from the Navy for embezzlement. On May 6, 1833, Jackson sailed on USS Cygnet to Fredericksburg, Virginia, where he was to lay the cornerstone on a monument near the grave of Mary Ball Washington, George Washington's mother. During a stopover near Alexandria, Virginia, Randolph appeared and struck the President. He then fled the scene with several members of Jackson's party chasing him, including the well known writer Washington Irving. Jackson decided not to press charges.[7]

From Wiki...

On January 30, 1835, a more serious attack occurred in the Capitol. Jackson was crossing the Capitol Rotunda after the funeral of South Carolina Representative Warren R. Davis when Richard Lawrence approached Jackson. Lawrence aimed two pistols at Jackson, which both misfired. Jackson then attacked Lawrence with his cane, prompting his aides to restrain him. Others present, including David Crockett, restrained and disarmed Lawrence, who was clearly deranged.

Richard Lawrence gave the doctors several reasons for the shooting. He had recently lost his job painting houses and somehow blamed Jackson. He claimed that with the President dead, "money would be more plenty"—a reference to Jackson’s struggle with the Bank of the United States—and that he "could not rise until the President fell." Finally, he informed his interrogators that he was actually a deposed English King—Richard III, specifically, dead since 1485—and that Jackson was merely his clerk. He was deemed insane, institutionalized, and never punished for his assassination attempt.

Jackson's statue in the Rotunda is placed in front of the doorway in which the attempt occurred.

724 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:50:49am

re: #690 realwest

Hey good morning jorline, how are you today?

I'm well RW...hope everything is going well for you this morning.

Do you think the bill is going to pass?

725 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:50:51am

re: #636 realwest

Which one Typicalwhitey? I replied to all the ones you sent to me over the weekend, I'm pretty sure!
Can ya resend the one from yesterday that you don't think I responded to?

I didn't need a response.
Just wanted you to read the article I linked to

726 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:50:52am

Obama's dangerous pals

ONE key pioneer of ACORN's subprime-loan shakedown racket was Madeline Talbott - an activist with extensive ties to Barack Obama. She was also in on the ground floor of the disastrous turn in Fannie Mae's mortgage policies.

Long the director of Chicago ACORN, Talbott is a specialist in "direct action" - organizers' term for their militant tactics of intimidation and disruption. Perhaps her most famous stunt was leading a group of ACORN protesters breaking into a meeting of the Chicago City Council to push for a "living wage" law, shouting in defiance as she was arrested for mob action and disorderly conduct. But her real legacy may be her drive to push banks into making risky mortgage loans.

IT would be tough to find an "on the ground" community organizer more closely tied to the subprime-mortgage fiasco than Madeline Talbott. And no one has been more supportive of Madeline Talbott than Barack Obama.

When Obama was just a budding community organizer in Chicago, Talbott was so impressed that she asked him to train her personal staff.

He returned to Chicago in the early '90s, just as Talbott was starting her pressure campaign on local banks. Chicago ACORN sought out Obama's legal services for a "motor voter" case and partnered with him on his 1992 "Project VOTE" registration drive.

A smoking gun tying Obama to the credit meltdown.

727 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:51:24am

re: #673 kansas

Bah!

728 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:51:34am

re: #694 ploome hineni

:D grrrrrrrreat

/but I will have what Mandy's having

I missed Mandy's comment, is she ok?

729 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:51:37am

re: #719 MandyManners

I'm sure you did. Hell, I may have heard of it in passing.

730 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:52:07am
731 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:52:20am

re: #726 Kenneth

Obama's dangerous pals


A smoking gun tying Obama to the credit meltdown.


I live close to Missouri, and you sir are under arrest for spreading information about Obama.///sarc

732 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:52:21am

re: #711 rawmuse

TRIVIA QUESTION(s)

American President Andrew Jackson was also embroiled in a major Bank crisis.
Some one tried to assassinate him as a result.

Q) How many guns did the assassin use in the attempt? and
How did President Jackson respond?

I believe it was a pistol (one), and Jackson caned the guy as the result.

733 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:53:03am

More:


In those years, he also conducted leadership-training seminars for ACORN's up-and-coming organizers. That is, Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott's drive against Chicago's banks.

More than that, Obama was funding them. As he rose to a leadership role at Chicago's Woods Fund, he became the most powerful voice on the foundation's board for supporting ACORN and other community organizers. In 1995, the Woods Fund substantially expanded its funding of community organizers - and Obama chaired the committee that urged and managed the shift.

RTWFT!

734 aussiemagpie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:53:55am

re: #698 3 wood

Sorry if I bummed people out with my thoughts on the market. Just saying what I see, and I've been a professional investment manager as well and taught economics for many years.

I hope I'm wrong.

Thanks for your insight as always

Your words are easy to understand and so helpful to those like me who are economics- challenged

And as a furriner I appreciate this as what your $ does greatly affects us down here

735 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:53:57am

re: #715 MandyManners

What was the teaser?

This is strange...can you figure it out?


Are you the 2% or 98% of the population?


Follow the instructions! NO PEEKING AHEAD!


*** Do the following exercise. It's guaranteed to raise an eyebrow.***


* There's no trick or surprise.

* Just follow these instructions, and answer the questions one
at a time and as quickly as you can!

* Again, as quickly as you can but don't advance until you've
done each of them.

* Now, scroll down (but not too fast, you might miss something).

Think of a number from 1 to 10
Multiply that number by 9
If the number is a 2-digit number, add the digits together
Now subtract 5
Determine which letter in the alphabet corresponds to the number you ..... ended up with (example: 1=a, 2=b, 3=c, 4=d, etc)
Think of a country that starts with that letter
Remember the last letter of the name of that country
Think of the name of an animal that starts with that letter
Remember the last letter in the name of that animal
Think of the name of a fruit that starts with that letter

Are you thinking of a Kangaroo in Denmark eating an Orange?

If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose minds are
different enough to think of something else.
98% of people will answer with kangaroos in Denmark when
given this exercise.
This e-mail is actually worth sending on to others.
Forward it to people you know so they can find out if they are
usual or unusual.

736 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:54:02am

re: #732 Honorary Yooper

I believe it was a pistol (one), and Jackson caned the guy as the result.

It was 2 pistols, which both failed to fire. Jackson caned the guy.

737 soccerdad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:54:22am

re: #566 3 wood

DOW is 235 down and still plummeting.

Folks, you are seeing a genuine market melt down happening before your eyes.

This is going to take a long time to recover from.

I just found out that one of my neighbors handed in the keys to their house and walked away a couple weeks ago, could not afford the mortgage. I thought they were on vacation.

I see coming:

1. Deflation

2. Unemployemnt of at least 10% (unemployment benefits need to be extended now to ease the blow). Companies will also be slashing costs/salaries via any means they can.

3. Dropping demand for oil world wide. We may not need to build new refineries after all.

4. Many smaller banks closing.

5. It will be almost impossible to get a loan for quite a while.

So where does one put one's money that is in the market? a friend told me to move into a short term treasury fund. I can make an exchange into that pretty easily within my fund family. Does that make sense?

738 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:54:32am

re: #722 DeafDog

That's better.

739 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:54:50am

re: #691 lori lane
Well that's not right..IU shouldn't be pissing off the fans..
esp. over pictures!

740 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:55:23am

re: #678 3 wood

We have already lost 20% off the DOW this year.

We are on the verge of making that 30% to 40%. That is a massive loss of capital to the system.

The credit markets are still locked up. LIBOR is at about a 112 basis point premium which means that banks are holding onto their cash and not loaning it out. Billions of dollars are being drained out of the banking system as large investors are taking their cash and converting it into t-bills.

All true. But there are some well capitalized banks that are buying assets very cheaply. JP Morgan and Bank of America, for example, just bought some stuff very cheaply. If one does their homework and has patience, then this can be a great buying opportunity.

(Of course, there is no way of knowing how long the 'buying opportunity' will last.)

741 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:56:06am

re: #740 DeafDog

What do you think about Citi/Wachovia?

742 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:56:50am

NObama's workers

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

743 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:58:33am

re: #742 CommonSense

NObama's workers

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Also known as Wobblies.

744 soccerdad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:58:39am

re: #683 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Universal Symbol for Choking


awww...now that is just not nice.

(the logo needs to have a noose incorporated.)

745 CapeCoddah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:58:39am

re: #711 rawmuse

Richard Lawrence, two guns, Jackson beat the snot out of him with his cane.

746 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:58:59am

Time toget down to some work. See you later.

747 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:59:01am

re: #705 realwest

Respectfully, calling 3 wood a twit is akin to saying that to Charles about programming and code writing.
He does it for a living - has for many years and I'd venture to say he knows oh, about 1000% more of things economic than you could ever possibly hope to.
What is it you do for a living, again?

Yuo know Real..I've tried watching those money shows on TV.. And it is so confusing and complicated to get my mind around..
Plus nobody ever agrees with anyone on the show..It's like somebody has got to be wrong here..

748 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:59:26am

re: #716 kansas

Don't the market movers have to drive the market down so they can buy up the deals and steals?

YES!

749 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:00:27am

Hey! A fatwa on Sarah Palin! Shook hands with the Pakistan President.

Yay!

750 lori lane  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:01:07am

re: #739 HoosierHoops

Well that's not right..IU shouldn't be pissing off the fans..
esp. over pictures!

Bingo. They should just be thankful we're in the stands. Sheesh.

751 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:02:18am
752 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:04:31am

re: #714 jorline

Hey, HH...did you give dorin several cups this morning?


Hey! I don't know how the heck Dorian gets up so early for work..
There really needs to be a law..

753 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:05:49am

new thread!

754 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:06:16am

So, if the House passes the EESA today, will the markets rally or take another leg down?

/and what if it doesn't pass?

755 DeafDog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:06:34am

re: #741 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you think about Citi/Wachovia?

My two cents is that Charles Prince made a mess out of Citi. The new guy (Pandit?) is improving things there, but it has a lot of bad investments and a historic scattershot strategy that they are dealing with. As far as I can tell, the Citi/Wachovia merger is two sick companies getting together. It should help them in spreading their risk, but it's not as appealing as the recent JP Morgan and BAC deals.

756 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:08:59am

re: #747 HoosierHoops
Yeah, but part of the apparent lack of consensus is that the types who LIKED to have the market nosedive so they could buy "on the cheap" have, for the most part, lost their ability to buy anything except a quart of milk (remember: the theory is you buy with borrowed money, never your own money and banks haven't even been loaning to other banks!).

757 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:24:36am

re: #749 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey! A fatwa on Sarah Palin! Shook hands with the Pakistan President.

Yay!

I believe the fatwa was on the Pakistan President, not Sarah Palin.

758 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:26:38am

re: #698 3 wood

Sorry if I bummed people out with my thoughts on the market. Just saying what I see, and I've been a professional investment manager as well and taught economics for many years.
I hope I'm wrong.


re: #705 realwest

Respectfully, calling 3 wood a twit is akin to saying that to Charles about programming and code writing.
He does it for a living - has for many years and I'd venture to say he knows oh, about 1000% more of things economic than you could ever possibly hope to.
What is it you do for a living, again?

I appreciate 3 wood's honest analysis and I have heard the same gloomy forecasts from many others lately. So he may be correct...or he may be dead wrong.
Most market analysts are wrong more often than they are correct. That is why the market indices have outperformed most investment funds over the past number of years.
BTW, based on my own limited experience, calling someone a "twit" on LGF is pretty mild around here isn't it? It is not a polite thing to say but things are said here all the time in the heat of the moment that are insensitive. So let's not crucify someone for an off the cuff remark.

759 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:15:10am

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