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Obama and ACORN

Politics | Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:31:55 am PDT

Stanley Kurtz is digging into Barack Obama’s connections to ACORN, and ACORN’s part in the financial meltdown: O’s Dangerous Pals.

WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes - and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it.

THE seeds of today’s financial meltdown lie in the Community Reinvestment Act - a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.

CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in “subprime” loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.

Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA - and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.

In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America’s financial institutions.

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1 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:32:37am

Obama: the might Oak.

2 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:33:43am

Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

A more legitimate Jesse Jackson, huh?

3 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:33:54am

Now we know where Barry's "get in their face" call to his disciples came from.

4 Shanimal1918  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:34:03am

All your ACORNs' are belong to us

"That's not the ACORN that I knew"- BHO

5 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:34:48am

You mean this whole fiasco is not due to Reagan era deregulation, like the alphabet news reporters all posit? I'm shocked, shocked. Who knew that compulsory lending of money to people who are not inclined to pay it back would be a bad thing...

6 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:04am

McCain campaign advisers:

If you you lurking and you are in it to win it then get this out and get it out now.

7 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:07am

Like I said,

Jim Jones was a "community organizer"

8 kynna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:24am

Thank you, Stanley Kurtz, for being brave enough to keep searching where all the other MSM fears to tread.

9 smapdhi  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:57am

In this case, it's seems the whole, "nut doesn't fall far from the tree" saying seems entirely appropriate.

10 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:36:35am

Fox is talking about ACORN but, not BHO's relationship with it. I've e-mailed the links from DTN and others.

11 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:36:48am

Well, you wanted to know what community organizers do. Here's Exhibit A.

They set up a house of cards, all in the name of affordable housing. They get people to think that they're getting something for nothing, pressure the government and lending institutions to extend loans that they know, or should know, that the borrowers are incapable of ever repaying, but do so under the pretense that it is racist to do otherwise.

The problem grows like a cancer, and no one does anything to stop it, because again, it would be considered racist to stop lending to those incapable of repaying.

12 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:37:06am

re: #5 rawmuse

You mean this whole fiasco is not due to Reagan era deregulation, like the alphabet news reporters all posit? I'm shocked, shocked. Who knew that compulsory lending of money to people who are not inclined to pay it back would be a bad thing...

It wasn't dereg that caused it. It was govt. corruption of capitalism. That and a deliberate refusal by the overseers to do their jobs.

13 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:37:22am
14 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:37:40am

I think I'm coming down with a bad case of ODS.

15 amir  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:38:34am

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

16 snopercod  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:38:38am

Kurtz did good.

17 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:38:51am

community organizer = Marxist thug

18 Macker  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:39:13am

And I still have to go to work today. Ugh.

19 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:39:58am
20 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:12am

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

Community organizing, voter fraud, shutting down criticism, threatening to prosecute anyone who makes critical comments about Obama, threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial. The man has spoken of a "volunteer corps" that is reminicent of brownshirts, IMHO.

There is a great crazy afoot, and sadly, it's right here at home.

21 skree  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:22am

I feel like I have gone crazy and landed in bizarro world. I am stunned by the breadth of stupidity of those who follow Obama. I weep for this country.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:36am

I need some humor, so I'm envisioning a horde of giant, genetically engineered squirrels attacking all the ACORN offices.

23 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:36am

Well, it's a bit of a stretch to imply that Obama is responsible for the meltdown.

But yeah, he doesn't keep good company.

24 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:38am
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes - and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

25 calvin coolidge  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:52am

1977.........Jim Carter...........the gift that just keeps on giving.

Ugh!

26 kynna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:54am

You have to admit, it's brilliant packaging. To balk at handing over millions of dollars in loans and bail-outs to ACORN is to be racist.

Just like any criticism of Obama.

Vote. That's all I've got to say.

27 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:07am

re: #15 amir

You're not serious.

Are you?

28 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:18am
29 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:21am

re: #2 solomonpanting

Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

A more legitimate Jesse Jackson, huh?

I wonder if they used "Crack Dealer" as employment history.

30 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:27am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.

31 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:32am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

Kind of reminds me of the shakedown that one of those agitators did to Toyota . . . . Jesse Jackson maybe?

32 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:37am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial.

When did he do that?

33 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:40am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

As president, Obama will send the country further down the shitter than we've ever been, and play the fiddle right next to Nero.

34 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:49am

ACORN, one of Obama's nuts.

/pick whichever definition you like

35 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:00am

re: #15 amir

What, do tell, are you smoking?

36 Karagush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:02am

How many people you think this story will get to?
how many people will get the message that community organizer=extortionist?

37 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:08am

re: #22 Kosh's Shadow

I need some humor, so I'm envisioning a horde of giant, genetically engineered squirrels attacking all the ACORN offices.

I'll have to get right on that. They will be so mad over the false advertising.

38 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:13am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

Community organizing, voter fraud, shutting down criticism, threatening to prosecute anyone who makes critical comments about Obama, threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial. The man has spoken of a "volunteer corps" that is reminicent of brownshirts, IMHO.

There is a great crazy afoot, and sadly, it's right here at home.


CHANGE! Baby.........CHANGE!

39 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:29am

re: #29 CommonSense

I wonder if they used "Crack Dealer" as employment history.

Unemployed hair dresser worked for a woman here in MA. She staged a protest with the help of community organizers and chained herself to her house. Guess where she slept last night?

40 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:33am

re: #30 loppyd

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.

And then, the companies cave in.

41 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:41am

re: #32 Edgar

When did he do that?

Have you not been paying attention to the events in St Louis, Missouri?

42 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:52am

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ACORN, one of Obama's nuts.

/pick whichever definition you like

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

43 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:57am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

What the fuck?

44 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:00am

re: #31 galloping granny

GMTA!

45 looking closely  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:09am

re: #6 loppyd

McCain campaign advisers:

If you you lurking and you are in it to win it then get this out and get it out now.

I don't know if the McCain campaign reads this blog, but I know they are aware of blogs, and surely they read the New York Post.

46 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:27am

Stanley Kurtz should be prosecuted immediately for the mindcrime of insulting The One.

47 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:32am

re: #43 MandyManners

What the fuck?

How articulate.

48 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:40am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

And then, the companies cave in.

Exactly.

49 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:50am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

A Republican White House did not begin these unwise lending practices either. An Obama presidency would be absolute disaster - particularly on the race issue. Rather than bridging some gap between the races, he has caused more racial division and disharmony than I have seen since the early 60s - which I remember well.

50 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:10am

I saw ACORN in action while living in the DFW metroplex. Not impressed. Their actions struck me as intimidation, borderline thuggery, and unscrupulous voter registration.

51 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:21am

re: #46 Occasional Reader

Stanley Kurtz should be prosecuted immediately for the mindcrime of insulting The One.

Don't worry. If he steps foot in St Louis, MO, they might just try that.

52 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:28am

re: #47 Edgar

How articulate.

I aim to please.

Now, leave me the fuck alone.

53 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:34am

This is what multi-culturalism and cries of racism, institutional racism have lead us to. Preemptive class warfare, redistribution of taxes to pay for this bailout - make no mistake, this is a war. Have nots are gunning for the haves.

We work, they get free housing
We work, they get free healthcare
We work, they get welfare
We work, they get food stamps
We work, they get free education
We work, they get bailed out

Problem is we both vote.

We're too busy working to realize that we are under siege.

"They" is not a race, it is a culture of immorality, materialism, exploitation. There are victims on both sides, but their puppet masters are the victimizers.

54 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:41am

I remembered the old Be Prepared "Boy Scout Moto" before leaving the house this morning.

Vaseline is in the office.

55 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:42am

re: #46 Occasional Reader

Stanley Kurtz should be prosecuted immediately for the mindcrime of insulting The One.

Put out an APB on Stanley Kurtz. He should be considered armed with a pen and dangerous.

56 onslow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:43am

The CRA has been on the side of the angels forever.

The likelihood of reading a straight accounting of this mess from most daily newspapers is less than my chance of beating Usain Bolt in the hundred meters dash.

57 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:07am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.


Are you ignorant? Dem policies created this mess..........go drink your Kool-aid at KOS.

58 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:45am
WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do?

Well, the real community organizers look like this.

59 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:45am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

Well, it was either that or get prosecuted on some trumped-up charge of discriminatory lending.

60 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:47am

Does anybody have projected numbers as to how many in the House are supporting the bill's passage, and how many are against?

The dems have enough votes if every dem lines up behind Pelosi and Frank, but I heard on Fox that as many as 45 house dems may be against it, and that they'll need at least 90 reps voting for it.

I think that's what was said. I still need more coffee, so mistakes in hearing are possible.

61 looking closely  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:48am

re: #15 amir

Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.


But its not for lack of trying.

Bush and the Republicans tried several times to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and lost in pure party-line votes to Democrats every time.

This mess was explicitly predicted for years, by numerous individuals including no less a personage than Alan Greenspan.

Its absolutely true that the Democrat Congress stopped effective reform before this crisis.

62 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:58am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

My understanding is Mussolini got his initial oxygen from a bunch of unemployed, upper-class college kids.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:46:06am

re: #42 Fat Jolly Penguin

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

Heh!
I hadn't seen that.

64 bosforus  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:46:11am

re: #15 amir

tool

65 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:04am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Oh, so a Dem controlled Senate, House and Executive branch, with more libs to be sent to the Supreme Court sounds good to you? Call me a racist, N0bama.

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:06am
67 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:10am

re: #47 Edgar

How articulate.

Maybe, but she is spot on.

68 Shanimal1918  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:13am

re: #23 Edgar

Well, it's a bit of a stretch to imply that Obama is responsible for the meltdown.

But yeah, he doesn't keep good company.

He is part of the machine that caused this meltdown. Nobody is trying to blame him directly that I know of. But the media needs to let everybody know the role he played in ACORN, and the role ACORN played in the crisis. Will they do it?

69 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:13am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

As President he would endorse the practice.

70 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:22am

re: #62 unreconstructed rebel

My understanding is Mussolini got his initial oxygen from a bunch of unemployed, upper-class college kids.

Yeah, but his real power came from lower-class street thugs.

71 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:29am

re: #36 Karagush

How many people you think this story will get to?
how many people will get the message that community organizer=extortionist?

Well, here is one heartening thing for you. I happened to write to a fellow lizard early this morning this sentence -

I am very much afraid that we have allowed those who would destroy America to gain the upper hand - people like Ayers, who now directs what students coming out of one of the largest & most prominent schools of education think.

I noticed when she replied to my email that Yahoo had very nicely inserted a tool tip link to a story connected with Ayers. I put it back in there where it belongs for you, without the tooltip.

72 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:36am

re: #61 looking closely

But its not for lack of trying.

Bush and the Republicans tried several times to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and lost in pure party-line votes to Democrats every time.

This mess was explicitly predicted for years, by numerous individuals including no less a personage than Alan Greenspan.

Its absolutely true that the Democrat Congress stopped effective reform before this crisis.


Due to the fact they were hip deep in $$$ and voter fraud.

73 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:43am

re: #64 bosforus

tool

An old tool, at that.

74 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:54am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

You're pretty damn funny. You do understand that Obama worked for ACORN, right? That he actually TRAINED people to use racial bullying to get fountains of cash for the undeserving poor? And you honestly think he's going to stand up to the race pimps and shut down the gravy train?

75 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:48:11am

re: #68 Shanimal1918

He is part of the machine that caused this meltdown. Nobody is trying to blame him directly that I know of. But the media needs to let everybody know the role he played in ACORN, and the role ACORN played in the crisis. Will they do it?

Nah. The media is feverishly working as his campaign manager.

76 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:48:39am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Right, and Herr Hitler is in the best position to protect us from those "brown shirt" street thugs.

/

77 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:02am

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

78 bosforus  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:09am

re: #73 MandyManners

An old tool, at that.

Over 2,000 comments, I'm surprised it's still around.

79 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:11am

For years, I've been reading ACORN's newsletter; I've known about this.

But, since it was nonprofit world, no one cared.

Oh, well....

Time to get some coffee.

80 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:46am

re: #76 Occasional Reader

Right, and Herr Hitler is in the best position to protect us from those "brown shirt" street thugs.

/

More like the Pied Piper leading his rats to the White house.

81 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:55am

He only wanted enough to wet his beak.

82 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:58am

re: #25 calvin coolidge

1977.........Jim Carter...........the gift that just keeps on giving.

Ugh!

Remember: Obama = Carter's second term.

83 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:03am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man.

Gee, amir, you are a trollish tool. Do you really believe that?

Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Unfortunately, your second sentence is all too true.

84 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:04am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Really? Better like sending law enforcement after those who exercise their 1st Amendment right to publicly disagree with him?

Get your naive head out of your ass.

85 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:30am

This is an amazing development, this column printed in a mainstream newspaper. Wow! This would-be Emperor and the lack of coverings to hide his privates. Oh my! This might smart.

86 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:40am

re: #53 celtic templar

This is what multi-culturalism and cries of racism, institutional racism have lead us to. Preemptive class warfare, redistribution of taxes to pay for this bailout - make no mistake, this is a war. Have nots are gunning for the haves.

We work, they get free housing
We work, they get free healthcare
We work, they get welfare
We work, they get food stamps
We work, they get free education
We work, they get bailed out

Problem is we both vote.

We're too busy working to realize that we are under siege.

"They" is not a race, it is a culture of immorality, materialism, exploitation. There are victims on both sides, but their puppet masters are the victimizers.

You know, I think you are wrong there. Way off base. I've been one of those have nots in the past and I know many of them today. Any agitation for a free ride is NOT coming from the have-nots. What they want is a fair shake.

Those agitating for free rides are people who already have plenty but want more and don't think they should have to pay for it. (Yes Barrak Obama and Nancy Pelosi, I'm talking about you.) They are the ones who want to be the new slave masters - because somebody, after all, has to work for it all.

87 amphibian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:50am

How are prospects for anyone to find out about this stuff? Looks like Husseinovich is doing better after the debate, basically because he beat the spread.

88 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:57am

loppyd,

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.

How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

89 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:01am

re: #77 Sol Roth

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

ACORN needs to meet RICO.

90 Dustoff-507  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:31am

Here's a great vido that nails it down.

91 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:32am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,

How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

Lock me up! I have free legal counsel.....

92 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:57am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Please look into the eyes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank sometime today and ask them what happened on their watch of the Banking Committee.

I'm plenty pissed at Bush as well as everyone in Washington, but IIRC Bush is a part of the Executive Branch, which can not enact laws. Dodd and Frank should have caught and corrected this problem a long time ago.

93 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:09am

re: #77 Sol Roth

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

It's all about the ridistribution of wealth something NObama learned early and and supports on a global scale. Not only do we the taxpayer bail out Demcratic crooks but world thugs too.

[Link: www.aim.org...]

94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:14am
95 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:21am

This article from City Journal was written back in 2003, but gives very good insight into what a corrupt POS organization this is. In the last paragraph is this observation:

There may be different approaches to community organizing. But there should also be a community organizers’ version of the Hippocratic oath: “First, do no harm.” ACORN founder George Wiley violated that oath when he used the poor as cannon fodder in a misbegotten scheme to throw the capitalist political economy into crisis

ACORN’s Nutty Regime for Cities

96 Fo knee ix  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:27am

At what point should we starting using the terms Reichstag Fire?

97 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:28am

re: #86 galloping granny

You know, I think you are wrong there. Way off base. I've been one of those have nots in the past and I know many of them today. Any agitation for a free ride is NOT coming from the have-nots. What they want is a fair shake.

Those agitating for free rides are people who already have plenty but want more and don't think they should have to pay for it. (Yes Barrak Obama and Nancy Pelosi, I'm talking about you.) They are the ones who want to be the new slave masters - because somebody, after all, has to work for it all.

I lived in the inner city, I know how this works. I'm not accusing the have nots of being wrong. I am accusing them of being exploited.

"but their puppet masters are the victimizers"

98 bosforus  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:38am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

I've got a joke for ya, amir.

99 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:56am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.
How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

I've already alerted the Mindcrime Patrol.

You seemed to hesitate in alerting them, Dirk. We'll be watching you.

100 BrianA  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:10am

This entire crisis was brought to us by Democrats and their racial pandering, trying to make sure and keep a block of votes.

101 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:27am

re: #92 jorline

Please look into the eyes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank sometime today and ask them what happened on their watch of the Banking Committee.

I'm plenty pissed at Bush as well as everyone in Washington, but IIRC Bush is a part of the Executive Branch, which can not enact laws. Dodd and Frank should have caught and corrected this problem a long time ago.

The real problem was that they did not see it as a "problem".

102 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:27am

re: #96 Fo knee ix

At what point should we starting using the terms Reichstag Fire?

When the Democrats start adopting policies that are really Nazi-like. Not yet.

103 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:29am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

You really believe The Manchurian Candidate, as President, would stand up to pressure groups when he's never stood up to them in the past? That's not the Change he's talking about.

104 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:37am

re: #92 jorline

Dodd and Frank should have caught and corrected this problem a long time ago.

Dodd and Frank caused this problem a long time ago. Good morning, hens -- I'd like you to meet your new security guards, the Silver Fox and the Fat Stuttering Fox.

105 Macker  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:53am

re: #60 Intrepid

Are you saying that 45 Dems are sane?

106 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:59am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,


How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

One that makes a living inventing racism, desrves to be............

107 Fo knee ix  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:59am

Watch This and weep.

108 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:20am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

I've already alerted the Mindcrime Patrol.

You seemed to hesitate in alerting them, Dirk. We'll be watching you.

His papers need to be checked.

109 lurking faith  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:28am

re: #15 amir

If the 0ne miraculously stood up against the thugs who cry racism to get their way, those thugs would merely turn and destroy him to the best of their ability.

Or have you really not noticed how the left treats minorities and women who dare to disagree with the Dem party line?

110 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:53am

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

111 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:58am

Obama showed his ACORN tactics experience when he told his supporters down in New Mexico to engage those who are supporting McCain, and to get in their face! if necessary.

That's how his campaign has been run all along, even in the primary. Hillary's supporters (ie PUMAs) have experienced it and they're mad as hell that it continues to this day.

With MSM's treatment of Sarah Palin, they've shown complicity in Obama's tactics, while basically giving Joe Biden a walk with his many gaffes.

It's time to get out and get to work for McCain. He won't have a chance if we do nothing.

112 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:58am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

neither did the eight years of Clinton (Democrat) rule prior to the Bush presidency. Perhaps you should read the entire article.
this house of cards started in 77 under the distinguished guidance of Jimmah Carter.

these are items brought into being because of the DEMOCRATIC Control of congress over the past 50 years (with the exception of a couple of years under reagan and a couple under clinton)

The president does not make the laws, the congress does.

113 eolon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:59am

The disturbing fact is that this information won't change anything; for all intents and purposes Kurtz is just preaching to the choir.

The Obama has spoken - and the financial crisis was caused by trickle-down economics and tax breaks for Big Corporations.

It is fascinating to watch the aggressively ignorant Obama supporters hold their hands over their ears and run around going: "LA LA LA LA LA!".

...fascinating in the sense of watching a particularly disgusting bug.

Best Regards,

e

.::.

114 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:02am

re: #109 lurking faith

If the 0ne miraculously stood up against the thugs who cry racism to get their way, those thugs would merely turn and destroy him to the best of their ability.

Or have you really not noticed how the left treats minorities and women who dare to disagree with the Dem party line?

Or how they treat anyone who disagrees with the party line.

115 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:21am

re: #77 Sol Roth

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

3 mil at 2%

116 yesandno  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:24am

Let's get a huge nutcracker.......

117 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:24am

Obama loses : racism!
Obama wins and you open your yap about how much the race situation has improved: racism!

118 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:41am
119 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:03am

Your text to link...

Kristol: How McCain Wins

Your text to link...

120 Karagush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:32am

re: #71 galloping granny

I noticed when she replied to my email that Yahoo had very nicely inserted a tool tip link to a story connected with Ayers. I put it back in there where it belongs for you, without the tooltip.

wow Granny, thanks! And the Post has circulation! hopefully people will start to talk. I am seriously worried for my country, and yeah, for myself, and my deployed sweetie.

This made me feel a little bit better.

121 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:34am

re: #117 Peacekeeper

Obama loses : racism!
Obama wins and you open your yap about how much the race situation has improved: racism!

Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Racism! No? Oh, wait, but I thought if someone votes for someone based solely on their skin color aren't they ra - never mind.

122 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:37am

re: #107 Fo knee ix

Watch This and weep.

Thieves.

123 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:47am

Oh, by the way guys...the orignal bill was gonna not only GIVE MONEY TO ACORN, BUT LA RAZA as well...chew on that for a few minutes...

124 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:50am

re: #101 Spiny Norman

The real problem was that they did not see it as a "problem".

give a shit. And still don't. They can hide in plain view.

125 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:05am

I was listening to a blurb from The Messiah this a.m.

He'll be so busy sending checks to all his constituents that it will not matter whether he steals taxes it or prints it.

Like Clinton, that man has never worked & has not a clue where money comes from. At least Clinton had Tyson to keep him in line. Obama has no idea.

126 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:06am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

Because right and wrong is lost in America.

127 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:15am

re: #108 loppyd

His papers need to be checked.

In your swift denunciation of the dangerous thought-deviant Dirk Diggler, you have taken an important first step in rehabilitating yourself, comrade. With this, plus a couple decades of labor on the new Trans-Florida Canal, your sins will be washed away.

128 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:18am

Gotta go.

129 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:19am

re: #121 loppyd

Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Racism! No? Oh, wait, but I thought if someone votes for someone based solely on their skin color aren't they ra - never mind.

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

130 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:25am

Heading out to grab lunch, take a drive along the ocean and listen to Rush.

BBL

131 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:07am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

How post-racial.

Whatevah.

132 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:16am

Let's face it...as Michelle Malkin says:

2008 - WE'RE SCREWED

133 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:28am

re: #130 loppyd

Heading out to grab lunch, take a drive along the ocean and listen to Rush.

BBL

Speaking of which, I sincerely hope Rush talks about the intimidation tactics in Missouri that popped up this weekend. Lord knows no one else is right now.

134 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:34am

The sound of ACORNs crunching under the wheels of the bus.

135 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:41am

I fear that while we have been trying to fight the dems on issues and within the system, they have corrupted the system in their favor.
Like Alinsky said they should, they got inside it and destroyed it from within.

136 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:47am
137 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

I'm hoping Gov. Palin fires the first shot across the bow in the debate this week.

138 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:04am

I'll take no cards, the truth is a pat hand.

The Queen of Hearts lurks.

139 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:04am

My view of the Obama candidacy... you can throw flowers at it, sing of its "virtues", and paint it with pretty colors, but it's still a lump of offal.

140 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:06am

re: #121 loppyd

Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Racism! No? Oh, wait, but I thought if someone votes for someone based solely on their skin color aren't they ra - never mind.

Racism is for white males only, we all wake up in the morning say "how do a screw over a minority today" don't we?

//sarc

NO racism = no democratic party platform.

141 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:07am

re: #130 loppyd

Lucky you. Enjoy!

/I'm trapped in an enviroment where the mere mention of Rush drives people into fits of insanity and apoplexy.

142 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:16am

re: #105 Macker

Are you saying that 45 Dems are sane?

Dunno if that's the actual number that was cited as an estimate on Fox - that's why I was wondering if anyone else had heard that interview.

I think it was in an interview with a Dem congressman from CA - he's absolutely against it and gave numbers.

Sheesh I need to go to the Fox website and try to find it.

BRB

143 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:19am

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible .....WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue .....YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

144 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:22am

re: #12 Hard Right

It wasn't dereg that caused it. It was govt. corruption of
capitalism. That and a deliberate refusal by the overseers to do their
jobs.

Regulation written for the benefit of the regulators (Congress).

145 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:27am

re: #101 Spiny Norman

The real problem was that they did not see it as a "problem".

IMHO...Dodd and Frank were looking for the curve ball and got smoked with three fastballs right down the middle.

Strike three...yourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr out!

146 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:38am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

In your swift denunciation of the dangerous thought-deviant Dirk Diggler, you have taken an important first step in rehabilitating yourself, comrade. With this, plus a couple decades of labor on the new Trans-Florida Canal, your sins will be washed away.

Comrades!

147 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:54am

re: #113 eolon

The disturbing fact is that this information won't change anything; for all intents and purposes Kurtz is just preaching to the choir.

The Obama has spoken - and the financial crisis was caused by trickle-down economics and tax breaks for Big Corporations.

It is fascinating to watch the aggressively ignorant Obama supporters hold their hands over their ears and run around going: "LA LA LA LA LA!".

...fascinating in the sense of watching a particularly disgusting bug.

Best Regards,

e

.::.


You're right. The problem is far to complicated for the average folk to even attempt understanding. So is the case with most issues the donks pull the wool over Americans eyes.

148 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:58am
149 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:06am

bbl

150 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:16am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

Multiple quadrillion updings for you. Once the "shamout" is passed, McCain should go nookyulure with the evidence, a fix and Obama's involvement.

The base would go wild.

151 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:18am

re: #131 loppyd

How post-racial.

Whatevah.

What? You don't want minority set-asides in the election booth?

152 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:39am

re: #131 loppyd

How post-racial.

Whatevah.

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

153 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #119 midwestgak

Your text to link...

Kristol: How McCain Wins

Your text to link...

Did you get my email?

154 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:49am

re: #92 jorline
Wish I coulda given you a hundred updings for that
one!

155 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:01am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible .....WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue .....YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

STFU and go elsewhere troll.

156 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:04am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

The sound of ACORNs crunching under the wheels of the bus.

Won't he be giving away his relationship with ACORN if he triest to throw it under the bus?

157 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:05am

Ah - on Fox now: Stenny Hoyer says he has a majority of dems for it, but needs 100 reps to vote for it in order for the bill to pass.

Yikes! That's a huge number of dems against this thing!

158 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:08am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible .....WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue .....YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

RACISTS!

159 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:14am

The picture of Obama is becoming more and more disturbingly clear day by day. I didn't have any love for this man's policies from day 1, but he just keeps looking worse and worse each day.

/I thought Hillary was bad...

160 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:33am

Wow, 155+ comments in 30 minutes?

161 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:46am

Hmm. Corruption, yet. You all are not buying Donna Brazile's nifty syllogism?:
I. E.:
(a) Pontius Pilate was a governor, Jesus was a Community Organizer
(b) Barack Obama was a Community Organizer
(c) Therefore! Barack Obama is Jesus.

162 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:04am

re: #160 Ward Cleaver

Wow, 155+ comments in 30 minutes?

RACISM!

163 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:04am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Good Lord.

"After all, the poor dears can't be held up to, you know, white people standards."

/the soft WHAT of low expectations?

164 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:05am

OR,

I've already alerted the Mindcrime Patrol.

You seemed to hesitate in alerting them, Dirk. We'll be watching you.

Fine send me back to Room 101. I can resist any kind of torture and interrogation you can dream up.

Just don't force me to have multiple, simultaneous sexual encounters with Scarlett Johanssen and Jessica Alba. I just couldn't bear that. I'll crack I know it!

/The "Brer Rabbit" counterinterrogation technique

165 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:06am
166 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #157 Intrepid

Ah - on Fox now: Stenny Hoyer says he has a majority of dems for it, but needs 100 reps to vote for it in order for the bill to pass.

Yikes! That's a huge number of dems against this thing!

Not enough money for ACORN?

167 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #143 Excaliber

Off yer meds this early in the day?

168 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:39am

re: #143 Excaliber

You must be right, since you use ALL CAPS!


/drive-by troll.

169 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:42am

re: #143 Excaliber

What is it about this thread that's drawing the trolls?

170 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:52am

re: #167 MandyManners

Off yer meds this early in the day?

Who sounded the troll call?

171 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:54am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible .....WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue .....YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

RAVING MOONBAT!

172 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:56am

re: #137 MandyManners

I'm hoping Gov. Palin fires the first shot across the bow in the debate this week.

They ought to have Palin in a room all week and MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS the problem, can clearly explain it to the American people and explain the root of the cause. Let her loose. Heck, i am available to walk her through it. It is really not that hard to understand...

By the way, this bill may not pass. McCain ought to come out right now and say he opposes it...

173 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:59am

re: #143 Excaliber

Excaliber? More like a paring knife.

174 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:00am

re: #143 Excaliber

Please return to under your bridge to wait for the goats.

175 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:22am

re: #168 mitthrawnurdo

You must be right, since you use ALL CAPS!


/drive-by troll.

I only take it seriously if it's written in crayon.

176 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:24am

re: #165 taxfreekiller

the ban stick is going to get a work out today ,

Quite possibly. We'll just have to wait and see who lays the turds on the rug today.

177 phil flavin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:48am

Hey Excaliber, just because you use ALL CAPS does not make something true. Go enjoy a decaf.

178 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:50am

re: #170 Hard Right

Who sounded the troll call?

Not I!

179 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:58am

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Good Lord.

"After all, the poor dears can't be held up to, you know, white people standards."

/the soft WHAT of low expectations?

Can you imagine anything more racist? You're not as good as them white people, so will prop you up to fail.

180 Wishing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:01am

re: #107 Fo knee ix

Thanks for the video

181 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:07am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, the WOT is over.

Obama will meet with all world leaders without pre-condition.

That, and BHO has ties to a domestic terrorist.

The Democrats are largely responsible for the failure of the nation's largest banks, vis a vis Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

And Barack Hussein Obama II will win the election November 4, with well over 300 electoral votes.

It's just the way it is.

182 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:13am

re: #171 Sol Roth

RAVING MOONBAT!

Just another idiot that calls themselves a "moderate" and pats themself on the back for being superior to us "mindless rethuglicans".

183 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:19am

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Good Lord.

"After all, the poor dears can't be held up to, you know, white people standards."

/the soft WHAT of low expectations?

Ok, what would you do, if you were, say, a resident of Russia with the right to vote? Would you vote for a Western-educated, pro-American candidate or a Russian nationalist?

184 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:27am
185 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:36am

re: #143 Excaliber

He's got a CAPSLOCK key and knows how to use it!

186 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:46am

re: #143 Excaliber

POOR OLD BIG BANKERS = your anti-capitalist, because you view hard work and success as an EVIL.

Confuse a liberal = state a fact.

FACT: ACORN (NOBAMA) used race to influence banks to give loans (minorities) that smart capitalist principles (bank denial) would have policed.

187 amphibian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:58am

re: #21 skree

I feel like I have gone crazy and landed in bizarro world. I am stunned by the breadth of stupidity of those who follow Obama. I weep for this country.

Not stupidity. On the contrary, a lot of the smartest people I know, and the most educated, are foaming at the month in favor of Hussein Husseinovich. In their various professions, they really are quite competent. I do not understand how they fail to see through this wind-bag of a community organizer, but there you are.

I wonder if it's because they spent their lives in a bubble, with money appearing in their bank accounts and the engineering work/medical treatment/legal services they provided disappearing into society, and no tangible connection between the two. With a simplified view of the world outside their bubble, maybe they don't get how things work? For instance, one telling attitude I've encountered is, "I'm living comfortably, but there are poor people out there who are not. If this government program will make the poor people live better, I'm in favor of it!" Naive understanding of the world, in other words, coupled with lots of good intentions and the arrogance of thinking that being a good biochemist makes one an expert everywhere else as well.

188 lurking faith  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:59am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Only if they think their interests can only be served by someone else of the same skin color. And I do think that's racist. And divisive.

I don't give a flying fig what color my representative is; I want someone who shares my ideas on what government should do.

189 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:00am

re: #172 cblesz

They ought to have Palin in a room all week and MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS the problem, can clearly explain it to the American people and explain the root of the cause. Let her loose. Heck, i am available to walk her through it. It is really not that hard to understand...

By the way, this bill may not pass. McCain ought to come out right now and say he opposes it...

I don't know about that.

190 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:03am

re: #176 Honorary Yooper

Quite possibly. We'll just have to wait and see who lays the turds on the rug today.

There should be a lower keystroke count for trolls - instead of 5 bloody paragraphs to get to his point that we suck and we are racists ... blah blah blah.

191 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:04am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

No, it's not different at all.

192 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:08am

Excaliber... soon to be Excoriated Exlizard.

193 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:16am

re: #169 Fat Jolly Penguin

What is it about this thread that's drawing the trolls?

It is their "end-justifies-the-means-higher-purpose" stance. Come out, attack in droves when cornered with truth.

194 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:33am

re: #143 Excaliber

Hey, Excalibur, Dude. You'd be more convincing if you knew how to spell your own nic.

195 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:50am

re: #96 Fo knee ix

At what point should we starting using the terms Reichstag Fire?

Never.

It sets my teeth on edge.

And we're not going to start mentioning the Smolny Institute unless someone named Kirov is murdered.

196 onslow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:52am

From NRO's The Corner


This Was All Predictable [Victor Davis Hanson]

That is an astounding tape of the past 2004 House hearings on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, in which Reps. Walters, Meeks, Davis, Clay, and Frank (who really should recuse himself from the present discussions given his culpability for the original mess) essentially bully and all but call the honest worried bank regulators liars and quasi-racists after hearing their prescient warnings that these institutions were suspect, violating accounting laws in Enron-like fashion, verging on insolvency, and being used as cash cows for their dishonest administrators.

The shouting, accusations, grandstanding, praise of 100% financing, and kudos to Franklin Raines (whose creative accounting allowed himself and his cronies multimillion dollar bonuses) are surreal. And to watch these exchanges is chilling since it is a scary example of demagoguery in which statistics and audits, in postmodern fashion, are attacked as biased.


PS. As I recall Raines was the one who, following the Enron scandals, gave public lectures about corporate responsiblity and CEO honesty. And as one begins to read about Raines, James Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, and Leland Brendsel at Freddie Mac, one begins to understand their modus operandi. Freddie and Fannie were landing pads for former Democratic insiders, who milked the agencies for millions in bonuses as they covered their tracks by donations to Congressional candiates and pseudo-racial-populism of helping minorities buy homes with little down. Their careers are every bit as nauseating as anything at Enron — and yet the press strangely does not go after them in the manner we learned of Ken Lay's deceit. God help us all.


09/29 10:08 AM

197 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:05am

re: #194 FloridaAnole

Hey, Excalibur, Dude. You'd be more convincing if you knew how to spell your own nic.


Not too sharp...........

198 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:18am

Yet another video of Democrats blocking, covering up and lying about growing trouble at Fanny Mae & Freddie Mac.

And yet another smoking gun most of the media will ignore.

199 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #188 lurking faith

Only if they think their interests can only be served by someone else of the same skin color. And I do think that's racist. And divisive.

I don't give a flying fig what color my representative is; I want someone who shares my ideas on what government should do.

I think many black people in America see racism permeating the entire "white" establishment. If they vote for Obama solely because it's black, it's more paranoia than racial hatred, I'd say.

200 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #152 Edgar

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

So black needs are different than white needs?

Shelter black yes white yes
Food black yes white yes
Water black yes white yes
Jobs black yes white yes
Schools black yes white yes
Secure neighborhoods black yes white yes

I don't really see how blacks have different needs than do whites. Would you explain?

201 myfathersdaughter  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:39am

Kurtz should also mention that ACORN has been caught with all those fraudulent voter registrations the last several years....

202 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #143 Excaliber

It's still around.

*poke*

203 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:44am
204 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:50am

re: #132 cblesz

Let's face it...as Michelle Malkin says:

2008 - WE'RE SCREWED

You know, I was starting to feel better about life as I was driving into work today. Then I get in and while I'm waiting for a build to finish, lo and behold I read the latest two articles.

And I really have to wonder about the future--is it worth it to try to leave anything to my kids, because I'm afraid the government is going to take it all.

205 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:04am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

I just printed a wapo article regarding this so my son has amunition at his place of employment when everyone but the owner starts their crap.

LET THE EDUCATION COMMENCE.

206 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:11am

re: #194 FloridaAnole

Hey, Excalibur, Dude. You'd be more convincing if you knew how to spell your own nic.

ROFLMAO!

207 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:23am

re: #183 Edgar

Ok, what would you do, if you were, say, a resident of Russia with the right to vote? Would you vote for a Western-educated, pro-American candidate or a Russian nationalist?

Red herring + non sequitur = Nice try.

Your position was, it's okay for minorities to vote for a candidate based solely on skin color.

Indefensible.

208 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:30am

re: #190 celtic templar

There should be a lower keystroke count for trolls - instead of 5 bloody paragraphs to get to his point that we suck and we are racists ... blah blah blah.

I simply view it as troll diarrhea, cha cha cha.

209 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:36am
210 guzziguy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:37am

Can we require a "political suicide pact" from our reps? Assuming this monstrosity passes. It will in some form. Can we please make each one voting for passage step up to the microphone and state,

"I am (Rep./Sen.) _______________. I represent district _________ in the great state/commonwealth of _________________. Along with my yes vote on this financial bailout plan I hereby make the following pledge. I affirm that I, my family, any of my friends who could possibly be termed "close" will not directly benefit in any way more than the common U.S. citizen as a result of this yes vote. I further pledge that should this bailout plan prove to be an error of judgment. If this is not a permanent and lasting fix for the financial market of this great country I will not seek reelection.
Further, should this vote be a mistake and the financial fix not be permanent and lasting I pledge once having left public service at the end of this position never to return. Additionally I will in no way be available for consulting, advising, lecturing or in any way seek to make my opinions known to the general public. I shall completely retire from all forms of the public forum and the marketplace of ideas.
So help me God I do so swear."

I think I'd be much more comfortable with their vote then.

211 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:47am

re: #200 Perplexed

So black needs are different than white needs?

Shelter black yes white yes
Food black yes white yes
Water black yes white yes
Jobs black yes white yes
Schools black yes white yes
Secure neighborhoods black yes white yes

I don't really see how blacks have different needs than do whites. Would you explain?

A larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line, for example. So it makes sense to elect a candidate that would do things like raise the minimum wage, etc.

212 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:53am

re: #177 phil flavin

Hey Excaliber, just because you use ALL CAPS does not make something true. Go enjoy a decaf.

Or a hot steaming mug of STFU.

213 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:56am

re: #181 metoothen

Yes, the WOT is over.

*snip*

And Barack Hussein Obama II will win the election November 4, with well over 300 electoral votes.

It's just the way it is.

The *snip*ped part was OK, but for the rest of it gets a LOL WUT? from me.

214 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:56am

The left is giving Sarah Palin a ton of crap about her lack of experience.

At this point I'm ready to replace everyone in Washington and replace them with Palin like principled people.

Experience doesn't mean SHIT...look who got us in this position.

215 thefallingman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:11am

Oh, come on. We all know that the CRA and groups like ACORN are in no way responsible for the current situation. We all know it was unscrupulous lenders sneaking into poor people's apartments at night, surreptitiously taking the poor families with all their furniture and possessions out, deviously putting them in homes they couldn't afford, and hypnotizing them into signing for loans they couldn't repay. That's what really went on. Damn Black Ops bankers.

216 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:18am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

Excaliber? More like a paring knife.

Maybe a butter knife

217 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:22am

re: #187 amphibian

Well said!

218 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:47am

re: #143 Excaliber

Where did you learn to communicate, from the Kostards? Capital letters do not make your argument more convincing. Next time, try reading the links and notice that good arguments use actual facts to support their premise. Ranting about Wall Street greed and using obscenities just proves you are a fool of no importance.

219 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #207 Occasional Reader

Red herring + non sequitur = Nice try.

Your position was, it's okay for minorities to vote for a candidate based solely on skin color.

Indefensible.

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

220 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:08am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, the Democrats are pushing for the bailout not merely to lard their friends and allies with cash, but to de-fund the WoT--something they never had the guts to do straightforwardly--in a roundabout manner.

Well, they certainly would take advantage of it. However, "de-fund" and "Democrat" are not allowed in the same document. The collision of parallel universes would cause complete annihilation of the Bill.

M-theory you know.

221 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:23am

re: #172 cblesz

Let her watch the Burning Down the House video a few times!

222 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:25am

Better start calling us....

USRA

United Socialist Republic of America

223 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:28am

re: #214 jorline

The left is giving Sarah Palin a ton of crap about her lack of experience.

At this point I'm ready to replace everyone in Washington and replace them with Palin like principled people.

Experience doesn't mean SHIT...look who got us in this position.

I'm of the same mind ... an experienced politician, is just an elite liar.

224 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:32am

re: #165 taxfreekiller
We can hope so my friend.

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:33am
226 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:36am

re: #216 CynicalConservative

Maybe a butter knife

Buttah!

227 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:46am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

You a Brit?

228 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:49am

re: #216 CynicalConservative

Maybe a butter knife

More like a spork.

229 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #227 solomonpanting

You a Brit?

Maybe he meant it literally.

230 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:10:30am

re: #228 MandyManners

More like a spork.

LOL!

231 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:10:36am
232 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:11:14am

Is there some reason why everyone (nearly) seems obliged to quote Excaliber? Why don't we just GAZE him and get on with some important things?

233 jamgarr  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:11:15am

As I said on a thread the other day:

From tiny ACORNs mighty hoax do grow

234 bulwrk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:11:25am

re: #143 Excaliber

Whats the matter did mom forget to buy you your Lucky Charms when she went to the store this morning?

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:07am
236 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:45am

re: #234 bulwrk

Whats the matter did mom forget to buy you your Lucky Charms when she went to the store this morning?

You make him sound like a leprechaun.

237 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:47am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe. The dems want to wreck the country, and de-funding the WOT is one way to do it.
Then, some Iranian dirty bomb gets in to NYC harbor and LA harbor, and this bailout will look like chump change.
But I think there are a good number of dems who want it. [deleted]

238 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:58am

re: #204 vxbush

You know, I was starting to feel better about life as I was driving into work today. Then I get in and while I'm waiting for a build to finish, lo and behold I read the latest two articles.

And I really have to wonder about the future--is it worth it to try to leave anything to my kids, because I'm afraid the government is going to take it all.

Bury everything in the backyard.

239 Killer Tomato  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:09am

I've noticed lately we have a lot of people who registered years ago and have less than 500 posts, suddenly showing up here and blathering doom and gloom.
What gives?

240 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:13am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Thanks to the democrats in Congress.

241 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:33am

re: #239 Killer Tomato

I've noticed lately we have a lot of people who registered years ago and have less than 500 posts, suddenly showing up here and blathering doom and gloom.
What gives?

Election trolls?

242 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:41am
243 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:44am

re: #222 cblesz

Better start calling us....

USRA

United Socialist Republic of America

Never.

244 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:02am

re: #239 Killer Tomato

Just some trolls who signed up during the 2004 election.

245 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:18am

re: #211 Edgar

A larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line, for example. So it makes sense to elect a candidate that would do things like raise the minimum wage, etc.

So you raise the minimum wages and the small businesses lay off workers because of market constrains? Nice.

Why do a larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line?

246 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:27am
247 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:50am

re: #204 vxbush

You know, I was starting to feel better about life as I was driving into work today. Then I get in and while I'm waiting for a build to finish, lo and behold I read the latest two articles.

And I really have to wonder about the future--is it worth it to try to leave anything to my kids, because I'm afraid the government is going to take it all.

This is ridiculous!

Do not allow all this doom-saying drag you down.

Michelle Malkin needs to calm down and buck up, and so do a lot of other people.

248 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:55am

re: #209 buzzsawmonkey

You are either totally misunderstanding me, totally incoherent, or both.

I am merely positing that the Democrats are attempting to use the bailout as a roundabout means of de-funding the WoT. That does not mean they will succeed, or that Obama will be elected. But I think it is a point worth mentioning, and mulling over at least briefly.

I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Do you?

No, I didn't misread what you wrote.

In fact, I think what you wrote is brilliant.

You don't give yourself enough credit for being prescient.

Perhaps where we disagree is that I think the power of the MSM to shape the information to the electorate is too strong to overcome. My 81 year old mother who gets her news from CNN has ALL of the DNC talking points down perfectly.

To paraphrase, "When you've lost The Grammie, you've lost America."

I cannot see any way that McCain can or will win VA, PA, IN, OH FL, NV, MO, which is pretty much what he needs to do if he has a chance at beating Obama.

See for yourself Electoral Map

So, we disagree, I think you do know what you're talking about.

As for me, not so sure. But you seem persuasive.

249 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:57am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Excuse me? Each and every black man and woman, each hispanic man and woman, each "other" man and woman has just as much representation in congress as I do, a white woman.

We do not elect our representatives to represent the color of our skin or our chromosome make-up: we elect them to represent our interests REGARDLESS of our skin shade or gender.

250 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:07am

re: #245 Perplexed

So you raise the minimum wages and the small businesses lay off workers because of market constrains? Nice.

Why do a larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line?

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

251 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #243 scottishbuzzsaw

Never.

Government is gonna own everything real soon...

252 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:41am

I still keep the hope that if Obama's connections and background are thoroughly investigated as I know the press is capable of doing, witness Governor Palin's facials, and reported broadly in all media, like some Paris Hilton escapade, the American people will reject The One as the Communist Obamanation that he and his corrupt terrorist cronies, in fact, are.

Well, hope is a thing with feathers.

253 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:52am

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, he got it right. "Ex caliber" means "formerly classy."

LOL!

254 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:57am
255 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:16:54am

re: #244 Kenneth

Sleeper trolls.

/Nowthey'll go back to HuffPo or DK, from whence they came, and claim victory over the lizards with the mighty weapons of: ALLCAPS, mentions of "Republican Rule", and "Excaliber".

256 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:02am

re: #249 Intrepid

Excuse me? Each and every black man and woman, each hispanic man and woman, each "other" man and woman has just as much representation in congress as I do, a white woman.

We do not elect our representatives to represent the color of our skin or our chromosome make-up: we elect them to represent our interests REGARDLESS of our skin shade or gender.

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

257 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #254 Fritz_Katz

Amir & Excaliber

ROFLMAO...ding

258 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #211 Edgar

Oh, for heaven's sake! I'm so sick of reading that, and the implication that, "Well, it's understandable that blacks think it's racism." Because it's not understandable. It's not racism.

It's infuriating - it's the notion that being a helpless victim is a good thing!

259 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:50am

re: #247 Dianna

This is ridiculous!

Do not allow all this doom-saying drag you down.

Michelle Malkin needs to calm down and buck up, and so do a lot of other people.

Amen.

260 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:03am

Every single one of us should be appalled at the extent to which leftist liberals have advanced their social engineering agendas. A massive shift of wealth and power has occurred in the last thirty-plus years under the guise of promoting "fairness" and "equality". Whenever the efficacy of the methods and designs of this subterfuge are questioned, charges of racism and bigotry have effectively silenced critique. This radical effort to "level the playing field" has resulted in the current crisis of confidence in capitalism and the viability of a free society. Of course, this was the end-game all along.

261 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:44am

re: #219 Edgar

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

How many different things are wrong with this. Let's see:

1) Obama didn't grow up in the 'hood. It's ridiculous to claim he has some deep understanding of being poor and "underclass", based solely on his skin color.

2) Tookie Williams DID grow up in the 'hood. So I guess he'd have made a great candidate, and it would have been personally understandable for lots of black folks to vote for him. Right? I mean, he had the same skin color, and "a different culture and mentality", and all that. He was all authentic n' stuff.

3) I have this odd idea that voters in a democracy are responsible for choosing the best candidates available to them. Period. Same rule applies to everyone, regardless of skin color.

262 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:45am

re: #258 Dianna

Oh, for heaven's sake! I'm so sick of reading that

Reading what?

263 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:53am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

I propose, again, something I first raised last night.

The roots of the current financial crisis go back many years. But by all accounts, the immediate crunch we are now experiencing could have been drastically reduced, if not averted entirely, if the "mark to market" rule had been suspended--and the question of whether or not to sign on to a grotesquely swollen bailout would have been avoided had the Democrat-run Congress taken the initiative to address the current issues in a timely fashion.

This leads me to pose the question of whether the Democrats let the issue fester until the last minute, not merely in order to get a bailout for their friends and money for their pet vote-fraud organizations--but for the purpose of de-funding the War on Terror.

Even Obama is having trouble keeping up his "the surge was a failure, the Iraq effort was a failure" line. The Democrats have not dared de-fund the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan, for fear of being accurately labeled "soft on defense" and "not supporting the troops." But you will have noticed, in recent weeks, a constant reiteration, in billions, of how much the war is costing us per day/week/month/year.

This makes the financial crisis a Heaven-sent opportunity for the Democrats. If we all of a sudden have to pump hundreds of billions into the domestic economy ("That's to save your house and your retirement, Mr. and Mrs. Smith"), they can credibly claim that we have to fold our efforts against Al Qaeda and bring all the troops home--and, of course, cut back the military--because we simply can't afford not to.

The Democrats don't not support the troops--oh, heavens, no. They aren't against the war effort, or questioning its necessity--no, never. They simply want to make sure that the struggling middle class of America is taken care of first--via the bailout--and so the war effort, however worthy and however successful up to now, has to go down the drain.

In other words, the Democrats are pushing for the bailout not merely to lard their friends and allies with cash, but to de-fund the WoT--something they never had the guts to do straightforwardly--in a roundabout manner.

This outstanding analysis deserves a gazillion updings!
Sorry I've got only the one ...

264 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:13am

re: #175 MandyManners

I only take it seriously if it's written in crayon.

On construction paper, with "My Little Pony" stickers adorning it.

265 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:18am

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Oh? I just pointed out to you the needs of black communities and white communities. Pretty much lined up. You then said that black communities needed a higher minimum wage because of poverty. I asked why are black communities poor.

You reply with drivel unrelated to the question I posed.

So Edgar, why are black communities often poor?

266 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:25am

re: #213 Fat Jolly Penguin

Look, I hope I'm wrong.

But the polls do not reflect McCain winning. Obama has his largest lead to-date.

The MSM is relentless in its push to have Obama elected.

Laugh all you want, I don't see McCain winning.

Persuade me otherwise. How is McCain going to win FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV? He needs ALL of them to win the presidency.

OK, how is it going to happen?

267 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:28am

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Actually, I can.

And I will.

268 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:53am

re: #259 scottishbuzzsaw

Amen.

Well, I can do little, other than yell at my senators and representatives and vote my conscience. I only have my mortgage as debt--nothing else. So I've done as much as I can for my own financial health.

269 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:20:50am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

I've lived in crack central. I probably know more about the actual problems than you - in your self-righteous, insufferably condescending way - ever could.

270 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:20:51am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

How many different things are wrong with this. Let's see:

1) Obama didn't grow up in the 'hood. It's ridiculous to claim he has some deep understanding of being poor and "underclass", based solely on his skin color.

2) Tookie Williams DID grow up in the 'hood. So I guess he'd have made a great candidate, and it would have been personally understandable for lots of black folks to vote for him. Right? I mean, he had the same skin color, and "a different culture and mentality", and all that. He was all authentic n' stuff.

3) I have this odd idea that voters in a democracy are responsible for choosing the best candidates available to them. Period. Same rule applies to everyone, regardless of skin color.

1- Yes, fine. I didn't say it was rational. But many people assume he has a better understanding of those problems than McCain because he's worked in poor areas.

2 - Don't be ridiculous

3 - There are no "rules" to voting. People can vote for whomever they want.

271 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:10am

re: #11 lawhawk

Well, you wanted to know what community organizers do. Here's Exhibit A.

They set up a house of cards, all in the name of affordable housing. They get people to think that they're getting something for nothing, pressure the government and lending institutions to extend loans that they know, or should know, that the borrowers are incapable of ever repaying, but do so under the pretense that it is racist to do otherwise.

The problem grows like a cancer, and no one does anything to stop it, because again, it would be considered racist to stop lending to those incapable of repaying.

Just another housing project from the Left, with predictable results.

272 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #264 Intrepid

On construction paper, with "My Little Pony" stickers adorning it.

And words cut out from a newspaper glued to the paper.

273 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #265 Perplexed

Oh? I just pointed out to you the needs of black communities and white communities. Pretty much lined up. You then said that black communities needed a higher minimum wage because of poverty. I asked why are black communities poor.

You reply with drivel unrelated to the question I posed.

So Edgar, why are black communities often poor?

I never said any of that. I speculated on why black people might vote for a black candidate.

274 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #199 Edgar

I think many black people in America see racism permeating the entire "white" establishment. If they vote for Obama solely because it's black, it's more paranoia than racial hatred, I'd say.

And why do they see that, even though the "white establishment" has bent over backwards for the last 40+ years to give equal opportunity, and even special assistance like affirmative action, to African-Americans and other minorities? Because their so-called leaders make a handsome living off of scaring the bejeebers out of them at every term. They're constantly told that it's all whitey's fault, that everything that goes wrong in their life is the result of a giant conspiracy against blacks, and only loud complaining and extorting money from both the government and corporations can possibly help them. If it's paranoia, that's where it comes from.

275 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:03am

re: #266 metoothen

And you seriously believe those polls? Or are you just depressed today?

276 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:12am

re: #269 Dianna

I've lived in crack central.

Surprise.

277 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:30am

re: #269 Dianna

I've lived in crack central. I probably know more about the actual problems than you - in your self-righteous, insufferably condescending way - ever could.

Remember what he posted yesterday about a little suppression of free speech?

278 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:44am

re: #274 doppelganglander

And why do they see that, even though the "white establishment" has bent over backwards for the last 40+ years to give equal opportunity, and even special assistance like affirmative action, to African-Americans and other minorities? Because their so-called leaders make a handsome living off of scaring the bejeebers out of them at every term. They're constantly told that it's all whitey's fault, that everything that goes wrong in their life is the result of a giant conspiracy against blacks, and only loud complaining and extorting money from both the government and corporations can possibly help them. If it's paranoia, that's where it comes from.

I agree.

279 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:46am

re: #79 Dianna

For years, I've been reading ACORN's newsletter; I've known about this.

But, since it was nonprofit world, no one cared.

Oh, well....

Time to get some coffee.

This country has been undermined through all the various loopholes.

280 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:01am

re: #211 Edgar

A larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line, for example. So it makes sense to elect a candidate that would do things like raise the minimum wage, etc.

... which, in turn, dries up job creation, which hurts... guess who?

It's ludicrous to say that it "makes sense" for black people to elect politicians whose economic ideas make no sense.

It's nothing more than a confused form of bigotry. (And I apply that to you, Edgar, whatever color you might be.)

281 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:09am

Ooh. Look! A new thread.

282 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:13am

I'm still baffled as to why home ownership was ever deemed a inalienable "right" in this country.

283 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:35am

re: #143 Excaliber

POSTING IN CAP LOCKS MAKES ME SCROLL.

284 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:38am

re: #277 MandyManners

Remember what he posted yesterday about a little suppression of free speech?

Yeah, I mean it was obvious that i supported it, despite making it clear several times that I was 100% against it.

/sarc

285 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:57am

re: #273 Edgar

GAZE

Edgar too easy to fact your ass. You did say those things. Cursor up for a look around.

286 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #275 FloridaAnole

And you seriously believe those polls? Or are you just depressed today?

And what reason do you have to not believe them?

And it's not the absolute numbers that are the problem, it's the trends?

Wishing away the poll numbers doesn't make an argument.

Nor is it persuasive.

287 chukardog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:43am

Why in the world is the McCian camp not pounding the crap out of this issue? Are they saving something as an October surprise?

288 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:48am

re: #263 yma o hyd

There is something to this idea, however, I don't think it came about intentionally for this reason. It came about because some people were getting very rich from the deal and they were paying politicians who were getting power from the deal. Money & power go together. They refused to see a potential problem because their financial & political self-interest was thoroughly invested in keeping this game going. We see now how Obama not only helped to create the problem, the problem helped to create him.

Obama is the president Freddie & Fanny built.

289 Buck  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:48am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

Somehow I don't see this being the same way. However, I do think that everyone liked the idea of helping the poor get housing.

Lets face it, that is the premise for everyones favorite x-mas movie "It's a Wonderful Life". Who really thinks George Bailey was doing the wrong thing helping people afford to buy their own house? Anyone?

Sure now we see that life is not a movie, and that there were going to be people who bought houses they really could not afford. I mean who knew that some people would use the low interest rates and easy credit to buy a second home?

I still have not seen even one story on a real hard luck case... a person who really got screwed, and didn't do this to themselves.

290 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:52am

re: #285 Perplexed

GAZE

Edgar too easy to fact your ass. You did say those things. Cursor up for a look around.

Then it should be easy to find the quotes. Get to work.

291 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:08am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Certainly. Thats why they have cured the problems of the inner city ever since LBJ's "Great Society" program. Because they understand the problems. You are totally and completely so full of shit I doubt you can walk.

292 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:23am

re: #239 Killer Tomato

I've noticed lately we have a lot of people who registered years ago and have less than 500 posts, suddenly showing up here and blathering doom and gloom.
What gives?

The obama truthers attacking those that dare to question the One. SOP for them.

293 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:25am

re: #262 Edgar

Reading what?

That muddle-headed nonsense about poverty and race. The oh-so-tolerant, "It's understandable that there's bad attitudes...." preamble that pretends that all human beings do not have equal rights before the law, and equal responsibility, as well.

I'm tired of people claiming that the problems of the inner cities are the fault of people who don't live there. I'm tired of people excusing the endless disasters brought on by race-baiting extortionists and the disappearance of money into nothing - nothing! - year on year on year, while the residents are constantly told that they are being oppressed!

294 Killer Tomato  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:28am

Words have meanings. Or at least they're supposed to.

rac·ism – noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

racism
The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society. Until the breakthroughs achieved by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, white domination over blacks was institutionalized and supported in all branches and levels of government, by denying blacks their civil rights and opportunities to participate in political, economic, and social communities.
The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition, Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company

295 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:53am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Starting with your Congressman?

Toxic waste is buried elsewhere.

296 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #291 maddogg

Certainly. Thats why they have cured the problems of the inner city ever since LBJ's "Great Society" program. Because they understand the problems. You are totally and completely so full of shit I doubt you can walk.

Can you address what I actually wrote and not what you imagine I think about this or that issue?

297 yesandno  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:13am

Well, ACORN got reparations through after all............................................... ..

298 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:19am

re: #270 Edgar

1- Yes, fine. I didn't say it was rational. But many people assume he has a better understanding of those problems than McCain because he's worked in poor areas. [You have said repeatedly that it's rational ("makes sense") for minorities to vote solely based on a candidate's minority status.]

2 - Don't be ridiculous [Reductio ad absurdum of your own position. Deal with it.]

3 - There are no "rules" to voting. People can vote for whomever they want. [Straw man bullshit. I was clearly referring to my "rule" for judging how people use their votes, not for "allowing" them to vote. Nice try.]

299 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:29am

re: #286 metoothen

Polls are full of crap until the actual election. Do you remember the polls in 2000? 2004? Both had the Democrat up until the end, yet, Bush pulled out a victory.

300 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:34am

re: #293 Dianna

That muddle-headed nonsense about poverty and race. The oh-so-tolerant, "It's understandable that there's bad attitudes...." preamble that pretends that all human beings do not have equal rights before the law, and equal responsibility, as well.

I'm tired of people claiming that the problems of the inner cities are the fault of people who don't live there. I'm tired of people excusing the endless disasters brought on by race-baiting extortionists and the disappearance of money into nothing - nothing! - year on year on year, while the residents are constantly told that they are being oppressed!

I never wrote any of that.

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:09am
302 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:15am

re: #219 Edgar

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

That reads as if its straight out of the handbook of multiculti ...

I thought America prospered because it was a melting pot? And not a collection of getthos?

303 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:27am

re: #256 Edgar
Huh

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Would you say the same of people who live in suburban or rural America - that it's logical for people to vote for a white person who LIVES in those areas?
And btw, while ACORN is, iirc, nearly all black, social workers were, until around 2000, nearly all white, college educated "idealists" who tried like hell to improve the lot of the poor (read: Black) people living in the inner cities. Yet the Black Voters still voted for folks like Charles Rangel, Basil Patterson,
Herman Badillo, Percy Sutton and the like based upon: their skin color alone, NOT what they had actually done to get their constiutients out of poverty. All they really did was get modest increases in their welfare checks.

304 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:34am

re: #299 Honorary Yooper

Polls are full of crap until the actual election. Do you remember the polls in 2000? 2004? Both had the Democrat up until the end, yet, Bush pulled out a victory.

Great!

Me too, then!

Nothing to worry about.

I feel better already!

Thanks.

Really.

305 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:37am

re: #266 metoothen

Look, I hope I'm wrong.

But the polls do not reflect McCain winning. Obama has his largest lead to-date.

The MSM is relentless in its push to have Obama elected.

Laugh all you want, I don't see McCain winning.

Persuade me otherwise. How is McCain going to win FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV? He needs ALL of them to win the presidency.

OK, how is it going to happen?



OCTOBER

306 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:02am

re: #302 yma o hyd

That reads as if its straight out of the handbook of multiculti ...

I thought America prospered because it was a melting pot? And not a collection of getthos?

You're absolutely correct.

307 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:18am

re: #276 Edgar

Surprise.

I reported that.

You know why? Because that's in no way justified.

308 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:34am

re: #302 yma o hyd

That reads as if its straight out of the handbook of multiculti ...

I thought America prospered because it was a melting pot? And not a collection of getthos?

Well, 90% of the immigrants to America no longer live in ghettoes. But some still do.

309 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:53am

re: #296 Edgar

Can you address what I actually wrote and not what you imagine I think about this or that issue?

Why don't you copy and paste what you did indeed write, just so we simpletons can try and wrap our heads around it?

310 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:08am
311 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:20am

So I guess I should vote for David Duke, since he has roughly my complexion, so it's "logical" that he "understands" my problems.

/Edgarthink

312 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:32am

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Yes you can. As well as calling Russians who vote for Russian nationalists, fascists.

313 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:48am

re: #309 Cartman

Why don't you copy and paste what you did indeed write, just so we simpletons can try and wrap our heads around it?

Look, I'm tired of constantly restating my positions. If you don't understand the first time, I can't help you. I'm not digging up old threads to prove something, only to have you say "oh, but you're lying."

314 neocon hippie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #299 Honorary Yooper

I looked at the listing of the Fall 2004 polls at RCP, and the great majority of them had Bush ahead, although many of them were within the margin of error.

315 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:06am

re: #305 unrealizedviewpoint


OCTOBER

Wait, I'm confused.

I thought the polls were wrong and now there is the cryptic message of "October."

What is going to happen in October?

The press is going to stop in previously unrelenting, shameless, dishonest hacking?

There won't be 24/7 coverage that everything is McBush's fault?

How's that gonna' happen?

And why didn't I get the memo?

316 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:08am

re: #311 Occasional Reader

So I guess I should vote for David Duke, since he has roughly my complexion, so it's "logical" that he "understands" my problems.

/Edgarthink

Speaking of straw men...

317 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:17am

re: #282 Cartman

Well, being secure in one's property is one of those really basic rights. I guess people got blurry on what - exactly - was the right.

318 Claire  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:23am

re: #250 Edgar

My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Oh, OK then. I'm voting for the white guy because he's white. He understands me better.

/

319 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:47am

re: #278 Edgar

I agree.

Then why are you sympathizing with and almost encouraging voting along racial lines? Why are you defending unfounded paranoia? Average black voters are being exploited by the Democrats and their own leaders, whipped into an emotional frenzy by a pack of lies, and for what? So Jeremiah Wright can live in a million-dollar house in a mostly white gated community. So Nancy Pelosi can be speaker of the house. So Jesse Jackson can take in millions by shaking down companies like Texaco. So Barack Obama can take the White House, employ Stasi-like tactics to silence his enemies, and implement Bill Ayers' socialist agenda. Black Americans benefit from this how?

And BTW, what was with that crack about being unsurprised that Dianna has lived in a crack-infested area? You've been here since July; Dianna has been here forever and is well-known as an intelligent, thoughtful, truthful poster. Exactly what are you implying?

320 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:48am

re: #286 metoothen

And what reason do you have to not believe them?

And it's not the absolute numbers that are the problem, it's the trends?

Wishing away the poll numbers doesn't make an argument.

Nor is it persuasive.

I assume you have had a statistics course. If so, you would know that the tolerance levels on some of the recent polls, +/_ 4.5, for example, are outside acceptable limits, and therefore these polls are junk. Where they are within acceptable limits, the polling is not a random sample, but a carefully engineered sample. For example, they general bring the sampling of GOP respondents down to 24% to 28%, and goose up the Dem sample to 36% - 42%, with independents filling in the rest. Apparently Rasmussen also confessed last week on TV that they were giving Obama an "affirmative action" bonus of several points.

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:49am

re: #302 yma o hyd

And not a collection of getthos?

Self-proclaimed "progressives" LOVE ghettos. And they actively seek to promote and maintain them.

322 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:56am

re: #300 Edgar

I never wrote any of that.

It's implied.

You somehow miss the implications of what you say.

323 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:23am

re: #318 Claire

Oh, OK then. I'm voting for the white guy because he's white. He understands me better.

/

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

324 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:26am

re: #303 realwest

Huh

Would you say the same of people who live in suburban or rural America - that it's logical for people to vote for a white person who LIVES in those areas?
And btw, while ACORN is, iirc, nearly all black, social workers were, until around 2000, nearly all white, college educated "idealists" who tried like hell to improve the lot of the poor (read: Black) people living in the inner cities. Yet the Black Voters still voted for folks like Charles Rangel, Basil Patterson,
Herman Badillo, Percy Sutton and the like based upon: their skin color alone, NOT what they had actually done to get their constiutients out of poverty. All they really did was get modest increases in their welfare checks.

Well said, RW.

325 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #211 Edgar

Please. Raising the minimum wage reduces jobs. Is that what you want?

326 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:55am

re: #314 neocon hippie

I looked at the listing of the Fall 2004 polls at RCP, and the great majority of them had Bush ahead, although many of them were within the margin of error.

You'd have never have known that from watching ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC.

327 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:59am
328 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:04am
329 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #322 Dianna

It's implied.

You somehow miss the implications of what you say.

I'm starting to think you're right. No matter what I write, people find insidious meanings within it.

330 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:11am
331 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:20am

re: #323 Edgar

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

It's the man's middle name.

332 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #276 Edgar

re: #269 Dianna

I've lived in crack central.

Surprise.


Fuck you.

[apologies to MandyManners for stepping on her lines]

333 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:20am
334 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #29 CommonSense

I wonder if they used "Crack Dealer" as employment history.

The term is "grassroots pharmacist."

335 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #296 Edgar


Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites.


Can you site any evidence at all that black people have any additional understanding at all of the root causes of the inner city problems? Because all of the "solutions" I have seen implemented have made the problems worse, indicating that most do not have a clue, or that they are disingenuous and are simply in the game for profit.

336 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

Self-proclaimed "progressives" LOVE ghettos. And they actively seek to promote and maintain them.

For a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

337 ErnieG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

Community organizing, voter fraud, shutting down criticism, threatening to prosecute anyone who makes critical comments about Obama, threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial. The man has spoken of a "volunteer corps" that is reminicent of brownshirts, IMHO.

There is a great crazy afoot, and sadly, it's right here at home.

The "progressive" wing of the Democrat party has deep roots in fascist ideology. They were admirers of Mussolini, and even of Hitler in his early days. Truly, the ACORN does not fall far from the tree.

338 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:33am

Wasn't Edgar the name of the evil butler in The Arisotcats ?

Never trust Edgar.

339 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

Fuck you.

[apologies to MandyManners for stepping on her lines]

I guess some people don't like getting a taste of their own medicine.

340 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:48am

re: #323 Edgar

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

341 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:53am

re: #331 Honorary Yooper

It's the man's middle name.

Shut up with your racist facts!
/

342 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:12am

re: #320 FloridaAnole

I assume you have had a statistics course. If so, you would know that the tolerance levels on some of the recent polls, +/_ 4.5, for example, are outside acceptable limits, and therefore these polls are junk. Where they are within acceptable limits, the polling is not a random sample, but a carefully engineered sample. For example, they general bring the sampling of GOP respondents down to 24% to 28%, and goose up the Dem sample to 36% - 42%, with independents filling in the rest. Apparently Rasmussen also confessed last week on TV that they were giving Obama an "affirmative action" bonus of several points.

Like I said, Great!

Me too, then!

Nothing to worry about!

343 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:15am

re: #223 Celtic Templar

I'm of the same mind ... an experienced politician, is just an elite liar.

Sorry I missed your comment earlier...spot on, Celtic!

344 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:26am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Well, I'd wager you were wrong. I lived in the inner city, in what I fondly refer to as a checkerboard of neighborhoods (white and black tiles). Whites "understood" the problems of the inner city well enough. Black on white crime, black on black crime. I'm not a racist, but I can understand how one becomes one.

Philadelphia, "The brothers and sisters are running this city. Running it!" - Mayor John Street, a few years back. Sorry dude, I understand the inner city, have my scars to prove it (been in enough fights, been jumped and stabbed and held up). I just don't like it.

345 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #340 MandyManners

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

...And Obama is not a Muslim.

What's your point?

346 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:56am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

Fuck you.

[apologies to MandyManners for stepping on her lines]

I doubt he'll jump in the middle of your shit as he did me for saying that yesterday.

347 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:01am
348 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:08am

testing - forgive me.
How McCain Wins
Your text to link.

349 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:08am

re: #276 Edgar

Surprise.

Easy does it..You have come to the edge of the cliff..Now you may jump or get pushed..either way you'll end up in the LFG graveyard.

350 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:08am

re: #273 Edgar

I never said any of that. I speculated on why black people might vote for a black candidate.

No. You defended the idea that black people should vote SOLELY based on skin color.

351 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:18am

As I said before , alot of you folks are so partisan you can't even think straight .
Acorn jumped into a game already WELL IN PROGRESS , as did WAMU , WACHOVIA , , and all the biggies that have been sending money to their local politicos .

If none of you have the intelligence to recognize that this has NON-PARTISAN CAUSES , then you're nothing more than loudmouthed morons , who think their babble is clever , and the only valid reply is to ..lol...criticize spelling of a Proper name , which can be spelled anyway the user chooses.

Guess your schooling wasn't that complete , but judging by the comments , that's no surprise .......juveniles making sophomoric comments .


Keep your blind folds on , you'll be walking into more walls real soon .

Most of you are just too stupid to realize that both the Dems and Republicans are lieing thru their teeth , and they depend on suckers like you to suck it up ....and you do .

Yea , keep blaming "someone else " just like the jihadis do , you folks just have no idea of how similar you are .

The ONLY reason there is ANY debate on the bailout , is that the BUMS we call POLITICIANS , are too close to election time , and many would rather just hide until its over .

Ha ha , all of a sudden the man on Mainstreet is the focus ? Since when ?

Guess what ! Humans need to have regulations , else you get what you see today --- greedy fools running amock , and right in the center of that stampede of hogs , are your politicians .

352 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:22am

re: #336 MandyManners

For a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

I got that one stashed. Thanks!

353 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:33am

re: #335 maddogg

Can you site any evidence at all that black people have any additional understanding at all of the root causes of the inner city problems? Because all of the "solutions" I have seen implemented have made the problems worse, indicating that most do not have a clue, or that they are disingenuous and are simply in the game for profit.

Enough. I speculated on why black people vote Obama - I didn't make any sort of political statement.

354 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #339 Edgar

I guess some people don't like getting a taste of their own medicine.

I missed the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict. Care to link to it? You lying POS.

355 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:37:12am

I just love the Moby modus operandi.

"Show me what I wrote! You're putting words in my mouth! I didn't say that!".

All the while, never producing or reiterating their own pronouncements to support their charges.

356 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Easy does it..You have come to the edge of the cliff..Now you may jump or get pushed..either way you'll end up in the LFG graveyard.

Well, Mandy should go first, then. Every second comment is "FUCK YOU!" or something similar.

357 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:37:35am

re: #351 Excaliber

Dude - get your own blog.

358 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:03am

re: #118 taxfreekiller

bad pair of trolls
they will have to draw three new cards and hope for a change of luck

I'll take no cards, the truth is a pat hand.


Absolutely right. The problem is that a lot of oaks are falling down in The One's forest of lies, but few car enough to talk note it. Ergo, hardly anyone knows the truth.

That's not good when elections depend on an informed citizenry.

359 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #354 Occasional Reader

I missed the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict. Care to link to it? You lying POS.

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

360 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:28am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Do they not have 12% representation in their government?

361 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

hahahahahhahahahaa

362 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:32am

car = care. PIMF

363 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #339 Edgar

You're a real slow learner ain'tcha?

364 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:11am

re: #47 Edgar

How articulate.

Edgar, yesterday you said that a some suppression of speech was okay. Are you saying now some of these tactics are okay?

365 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:25am
366 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #319 doppelganglander

Edgar doesn't like me. He likes to indulge in ad hominem attacks, and, when the attacked party responds in kind (note that I didn't), he cries that he's the victim of ad hominems.

It's fun, but it's rather easy to short-circuit.

367 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:32am

re: #351 Excaliber

Oh, go piss up a rope, you fucking moron.

368 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #353 Edgar

Enough. I speculated on why black people vote Obama - I didn't make any sort of political statement.

Fantasy. The black vote for Obama exceeds any rational voting trend. Just b/c they aren't wearing hoods, don't mean they're not racists.

369 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:48am

re: #364 JacksonTn

Edgar, yesterday you said that a some suppression of speech was okay. Are you saying now some of these tactics are okay?

I'm not responding to these comments anymore. Re-read the old thread.

370 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:53am

re: #352 Cap'n DOC

I got that one stashed. Thanks!

It's as old as dirt.

371 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:59am

re: #266 metoothen
" FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV?" Huh, Hillary Clinton beat Obama in those states and she beat him like a drum in California, New York, Michigan and Texas.
That the Dems have a bizzare way of electing delegates (e.g., Hillary beat Barry in Texas in the popular voting in the entire state, but Barry "won" more delegates) doesn't take away from the fact that, among democrats, Obama couldn't win enough states to win the General Election.
I'd grant you that California and probably New York and Illinois will go to Obama.
I'll wager you that McCain wins Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and, assuming no significant voter fraud, Ohio and Missouri.
Obama may win, no doubt about it; but it won't be in a landslide and despite what the MSM may say, he will not have earned any sort of "mandate" from the people.

372 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #343 jorline

Hey Jorline - it worked. See #348. I'll get the title part down next time I link something.

Thank you so much. I've been wanting to do this for a long time as you know. You figured this out on your own, eh? Pretty smart.

373 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:06am

re: #322 Dianna

It's implied.

You somehow miss the implications of what you say.

This is the same game he played yesterday!

374 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:14am

re: #348 midwestgak

testing - forgive me.
How McCain Wins
Your text to link.

Link worked...highlight the "How McCain Wins", then click the link icon.

375 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:17am
re: #354 Occasional Reader

I missed the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict. Care to link to it? You lying POS.


re: #359 Edgar

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

I think he still misses the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict.
"self-righteous and insufferably condescending" just means you're an asshole.

376 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #356 Edgar

Well, Mandy should go first, then. Every second comment is "FUCK YOU!" or something similar.

Liar.

377 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:42am

re: #373 Sharmuta

This is the same game he played yesterday!

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

378 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:11am

re: #251 cblesz

Government is gonna own everything real soon...


That's the left's plan, sad it's working.

379 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:14am

re: #376 MandyManners

Liar.

Sorry, sometimes you have things like "Oh, go piss up a rope, you fucking moron."

380 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:15am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

Self-proclaimed "progressives" LOVE ghettos. And they actively seek to promote and maintain them.

I personally love the way non-ghettoization spreads the new tastes and smells and clothes.

381 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:34am

That racist Limbaugh has been playing clips of the CBC members supporting Franklin Raines' trashing of FM/FM. Come on. Free money for the CBC./

382 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #377 Edgar

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

You can't win until what you say is correct and factual, not speculation and your own wishful thinking.

383 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:40am

re: #359 Edgar

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

That's the equivalent of calling her a druggie? Wowza. Thin-skinned, much?

384 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #373 Sharmuta

This is the same game he played yesterday!

"How dare you accurately summarize the idiotic thing I wrote!"

385 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:53am

re: #377 Edgar

Own your own comments.

386 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:54am

re: #359 Edgar

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

Yes, because you are. This is an observation, not an attack.

387 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:54am

TFK is right. This one's working the room.

388 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:04am

re: #351 Excaliber

Go wander back to Kos, troll.

389 Sizzlack  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:18am

OT: Joe Biden is batshit crazy. I was watching a clip of a speech he gave on foreign policy where he stated that John McCain was wrong on Iraq. Now Biden voted for the Iraq war with almost everyone else in the Senate at the time. So it can't be that unless he is saying he is wrong too. Perhaps the surge, but no that worked so it cant be that. Yet Biden wanted to partition the country into three segments based along ethnic/religious lines, something that surely wouldn't have worked, and the Iraqis themselves did not like. So what the hell is this guy talking about. I almost feel like he gets his brain erased every nite before he goes to bed and has to cobble together his positions again every morning after he wakes up.

390 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #373 Sharmuta

Yes.

Shall we call out all his implications?

391 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:27am

re: #372 midwestgak

Hey Jorline - it worked. See #348. I'll get the title part down next time I link something.

Thank you so much. I've been wanting to do this for a long time as you know. You figured this out on your own, eh? Pretty smart.

Dumb luck...lol

Glad you got it down.

392 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:32am

re: #351 Excaliber

Fuck you, you witless worm.

393 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:57am

re: #373 Sharmuta

This is the same game he played yesterday!

It's the same game we play with every troll or moby.

394 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:06am

re: #383 MandyManners

That's the equivalent of calling her a druggie? Wowza. Thin-skinned, much?

Sorry can't comment on his thin skin. Gets that from the big O.

395 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:26am

re: #351 Excaliber


Are you NObama? I see the I am better than everyone and walk on water in your posts.

396 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #393 Honorary Yooper

It's the same game we play with every troll or moby.

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

397 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:33am

re: #394 kansas

Sorry can't comment on his thin skin. Gets that from the big O.

That's racist too.

////////

398 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #392 maddogg

Fuck you, you witless worm.

I don't know, did he have anything worth saying? I don't have time for 4000 character comments. Give the man a chance

/

399 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:08am

re: #392 maddogg

Fuck you, you witless worm.

Oh, I love the "witless worm"!

400 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:22am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

And Charles wants to leave registration open and see what flushes in. Egads.

401 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:26am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

I'm calling you neither. Just misinformed and incorrect.

402 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #351 Excaliber

Guess what ! Humans need to have regulations , else you get what you see today --- greedy fools running amock , and right in the center of that stampede of hogs , are your politicians .

Where has anyone suggested otherwise? The fact remains that Bush and McCain both tried to do something about this years ago but were blocked by the democrats- so you're damned straight we're going to put blame on the dems.

Go back to where you came from and play with the jihadis some more.

403 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #394 kansas

Sorry can't comment on his thin skin. Gets that from the big O.

LOL!

404 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:28am

Can people quit with the ad homimems?

Please.

405 jamgarr  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:51am

re: #389 Sizzlack


I almost feel like he gets his brain erased every nite before he goes to bed and has to cobble together his positions again every morning after he wakes up.

An idea for a new movie - Adam Sandler can play Biden:

Fifty First Debates

406 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:03am

re: #389 Sizzlack

Joe Biden is batshit crazy.

So you didn't like his "let's give the mullahs $200 million so that maybe they'll like us" brainstorm from October 2001?

I'm pretty sure President FDR proposed something like that over a streaming webcast in 1929...

407 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #355 Cartman

I just love the Moby modus operandi.

"Show me what I wrote! You're putting words in my mouth! I didn't say that!".

All the while, never producing or reiterating their own pronouncements to support their charges.

Hiya Cartman!
This poster is probably the most obtuse one I've seen lately.

408 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #371 realwest

" FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV?" Huh, Hillary Clinton beat Obama in those states and she beat him like a drum in California, New York, Michigan and Texas.
That the Dems have a bizzare way of electing delegates (e.g., Hillary beat Barry in Texas in the popular voting in the entire state, but Barry "won" more delegates) doesn't take away from the fact that, among democrats, Obama couldn't win enough states to win the General Election.
I'd grant you that California and probably New York and Illinois will go to Obama.
I'll wager you that McCain wins Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and, assuming no significant voter fraud, Ohio and Missouri.
Obama may win, no doubt about it; but it won't be in a landslide and despite what the MSM may say, he will not have earned any sort of "mandate" from the people.

Um, TX is not in play.

OK, so you'll need to explain VA and NV, too.

409 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:26am

re: #315 metoothen

Wait, I'm confused.

I thought the polls were wrong and now there is the cryptic message of "October."

What is going to happen in October?

The press is going to stop in previously unrelenting, shameless, dishonest hacking?

There won't be 24/7 coverage that everything is McBush's fault?

How's that gonna' happen?

And why didn't I get the memo?


Republican 527's

410 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:32am

re: #404 Edgar

Poor wittle victim. You want to justify racism in this house- you make me sick.

411 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:36am

re: #152 Edgar

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

So I should elect white people because they better understand my needs? That is total bullshit.

412 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #351 Excaliber

I missed your point in the yelling #143...but now I see where you're coming from.

////////////////////////////////////////////////// /dripping sarc

413 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

You don't like the opinions around here, go somewhere else. No one's forcing you to stay.

414 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:45am
415 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:54am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

The game has less to do with disgareement than with owning one's own comments.

I disagree with plenty here. Check out a number of the threads on that if you wish.

416 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:58am

re: #329 Edgar

I'm starting to think you're right. No matter what I write, people find insidious meanings within it.

Don't be dense.

You claim to be an educated, intelligent person. You cannot possibly keep typing the things you do and not be aware of the implications of what you write!

417 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:46:36am

re: #410 Sharmuta

Poor wittle victim. You want to justify racism in this house- you make me sick.

Yes, Sharmuta, post a lie to get people's attention.

418 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:01am

re: #377 Edgar

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

You agreed with me, then didn't respond to my follow-up. I'll keep it short this time: Black voters vote along racial lines based on lies being fed to them by their own leadership, despite the fact that no benefits accrue to the average black voter. You seem to be okay with that state of affairs. I say black voters would be better served by ignoring race and becoming informed on the real facts and issues. And you say...?

419 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #415 Honorary Yooper

The game has less to do with disgareement than with owning one's own comments.

I disagree with plenty here. Check out a number of the threads on that if you wish.

I've repeated 10000x times that I am for 100% free speech. I'm tired of repeating it. I never said otherwise.

420 Omachka  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:16am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

So, by that logic we would need one black person representing all the blacks, one white person representing all the whites, one hispanic, one American Indian and so forth? A bit divisive, isn't it? Naaa, I think it works better the way it is. It really has nothing to do with race. I'm really getting tired of hearing that someone could be labeled racist no matter how they vote. It isn't racist to vote, it's patriotic to vote.

421 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:33am
422 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:48:37am

re: #417 Edgar

I've read this thread, and I agree with OR, Dianna and others. You are trying to justify identity politics. If you don't see how you've done this then you should either go back and read what you wrote or STFU.

But I think you have a different M.O. than that.

423 ab_irato  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:48:55am

ACORNS never fall far from the tree.

424 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:02am

Is that ad homina homina hominah? Shades of Ralph Kramden.
These slanging sessions with trolls are getting tiresome. No I correct myself, they were always tiresome. Wish I had an Ignore button.

425 pbird  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:06am

re: #143 Excaliber

Enjoy your excoriation.

426 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:11am

re: #404 Edgar

You seem to like to attack the women here with ad homs.

427 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:15am

re: #407 rightymouse

Hiya, Righty! Nice to see ya.

This one sounds like so many others that have hunkered down and crapped on these threads. It's almost as if it's the same personae, each and every time. The left is like that - there is no deviation from the party line. None.

428 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:34am

re: #422 Sharmuta

I've read this thread, and I agree with OR, Dianna and others. You are trying to justify identity politics. If you don't see how you've done this then you should either go back and read what you wrote or STFU.

But I think you have a different M.O. than that.

Sharmuta, can you write a single post without ad hominems?

429 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2