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Politics | Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:31:55 am PDT

Stanley Kurtz is digging into Barack Obama’s connections to ACORN, and ACORN’s part in the financial meltdown: O’s Dangerous Pals.

WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes - and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it.

THE seeds of today’s financial meltdown lie in the Community Reinvestment Act - a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.

CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in “subprime” loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.

Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA - and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.

In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America’s financial institutions.

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1 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:32:37am

Obama: the might Oak.

2 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:33:43am

Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

A more legitimate Jesse Jackson, huh?

3 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:33:54am

Now we know where Barry's "get in their face" call to his disciples came from.

4 Shanimal1918  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:34:03am

All your ACORNs' are belong to us

"That's not the ACORN that I knew"- BHO

5 rawmuse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:34:48am

You mean this whole fiasco is not due to Reagan era deregulation, like the alphabet news reporters all posit? I'm shocked, shocked. Who knew that compulsory lending of money to people who are not inclined to pay it back would be a bad thing...

6 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:04am

McCain campaign advisers:

If you you lurking and you are in it to win it then get this out and get it out now.

7 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:07am

Like I said,

Jim Jones was a "community organizer"

8 kynna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:24am

Thank you, Stanley Kurtz, for being brave enough to keep searching where all the other MSM fears to tread.

9 smapdhi  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:35:57am

In this case, it's seems the whole, "nut doesn't fall far from the tree" saying seems entirely appropriate.

10 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:36:35am

Fox is talking about ACORN but, not BHO's relationship with it. I've e-mailed the links from DTN and others.

11 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:36:48am

Well, you wanted to know what community organizers do. Here's Exhibit A.

They set up a house of cards, all in the name of affordable housing. They get people to think that they're getting something for nothing, pressure the government and lending institutions to extend loans that they know, or should know, that the borrowers are incapable of ever repaying, but do so under the pretense that it is racist to do otherwise.

The problem grows like a cancer, and no one does anything to stop it, because again, it would be considered racist to stop lending to those incapable of repaying.

12 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:37:06am

re: #5 rawmuse

You mean this whole fiasco is not due to Reagan era deregulation, like the alphabet news reporters all posit? I'm shocked, shocked. Who knew that compulsory lending of money to people who are not inclined to pay it back would be a bad thing...

It wasn't dereg that caused it. It was govt. corruption of capitalism. That and a deliberate refusal by the overseers to do their jobs.

13 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:37:22am
14 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:37:40am

I think I'm coming down with a bad case of ODS.

15 amir  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:38:34am

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

16 snopercod  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:38:38am

Kurtz did good.

17 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:38:51am

community organizer = Marxist thug

18 Macker  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:39:13am

And I still have to go to work today. Ugh.

19 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:39:58am
20 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:12am

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

Community organizing, voter fraud, shutting down criticism, threatening to prosecute anyone who makes critical comments about Obama, threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial. The man has spoken of a "volunteer corps" that is reminicent of brownshirts, IMHO.

There is a great crazy afoot, and sadly, it's right here at home.

21 skree  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:22am

I feel like I have gone crazy and landed in bizarro world. I am stunned by the breadth of stupidity of those who follow Obama. I weep for this country.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:36am

I need some humor, so I'm envisioning a horde of giant, genetically engineered squirrels attacking all the ACORN offices.

23 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:36am

Well, it's a bit of a stretch to imply that Obama is responsible for the meltdown.

But yeah, he doesn't keep good company.

24 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:38am
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes - and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

25 calvin coolidge  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:52am

1977...Jim Carter...the gift that just keeps on giving.

Ugh!

26 kynna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:40:54am

You have to admit, it's brilliant packaging. To balk at handing over millions of dollars in loans and bail-outs to ACORN is to be racist.

Just like any criticism of Obama.

Vote. That's all I've got to say.

27 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:07am

re: #15 amir

You're not serious.

Are you?

28 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:18am
29 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:21am

re: #2 solomonpanting

Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

A more legitimate Jesse Jackson, huh?

I wonder if they used "Crack Dealer" as employment history.

30 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:27am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.

31 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:32am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

Kind of reminds me of the shakedown that one of those agitators did to Toyota . . . Jesse Jackson maybe?

32 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:37am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial.

When did he do that?

33 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:40am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

As president, Obama will send the country further down the shitter than we've ever been, and play the fiddle right next to Nero.

34 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:41:49am

ACORN, one of Obama's nuts.

/pick whichever definition you like

35 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:00am

re: #15 amir

What, do tell, are you smoking?

36 Karagush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:02am

How many people you think this story will get to?
how many people will get the message that community organizer=extortionist?

37 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:08am

re: #22 Kosh's Shadow

I need some humor, so I'm envisioning a horde of giant, genetically engineered squirrels attacking all the ACORN offices.

I'll have to get right on that. They will be so mad over the false advertising.

38 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:13am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

Community organizing, voter fraud, shutting down criticism, threatening to prosecute anyone who makes critical comments about Obama, threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial. The man has spoken of a "volunteer corps" that is reminicent of brownshirts, IMHO.

There is a great crazy afoot, and sadly, it's right here at home.


CHANGE! Baby...CHANGE!

39 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:29am

re: #29 CommonSense

I wonder if they used "Crack Dealer" as employment history.

Unemployed hair dresser worked for a woman here in MA. She staged a protest with the help of community organizers and chained herself to her house. Guess where she slept last night?

40 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:33am

re: #30 loppyd

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.

And then, the companies cave in.

41 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:41am

re: #32 Edgar

When did he do that?

Have you not been paying attention to the events in St Louis, Missouri?

42 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:52am

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ACORN, one of Obama's nuts.

/pick whichever definition you like

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

43 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:42:57am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

What the fuck?

44 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:00am

re: #31 galloping granny

GMTA!

45 looking closely  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:09am

re: #6 loppyd

McCain campaign advisers:

If you you lurking and you are in it to win it then get this out and get it out now.

I don't know if the McCain campaign reads this blog, but I know they are aware of blogs, and surely they read the New York Post.

46 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:27am

Stanley Kurtz should be prosecuted immediately for the mindcrime of insulting The One.

47 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:32am

re: #43 MandyManners

What the fuck?

How articulate.

48 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:40am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

And then, the companies cave in.

Exactly.

49 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:43:50am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

A Republican White House did not begin these unwise lending practices either. An Obama presidency would be absolute disaster - particularly on the race issue. Rather than bridging some gap between the races, he has caused more racial division and disharmony than I have seen since the early 60s - which I remember well.

50 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:10am

I saw ACORN in action while living in the DFW metroplex. Not impressed. Their actions struck me as intimidation, borderline thuggery, and unscrupulous voter registration.

51 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:21am

re: #46 Occasional Reader

Stanley Kurtz should be prosecuted immediately for the mindcrime of insulting The One.

Don't worry. If he steps foot in St Louis, MO, they might just try that.

52 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:28am

re: #47 Edgar

How articulate.

I aim to please.

Now, leave me the fuck alone.

53 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:34am

This is what multi-culturalism and cries of racism, institutional racism have lead us to. Preemptive class warfare, redistribution of taxes to pay for this bailout - make no mistake, this is a war. Have nots are gunning for the haves.

We work, they get free housing
We work, they get free healthcare
We work, they get welfare
We work, they get food stamps
We work, they get free education
We work, they get bailed out

Problem is we both vote.

We're too busy working to realize that we are under siege.

"They" is not a race, it is a culture of immorality, materialism, exploitation. There are victims on both sides, but their puppet masters are the victimizers.

54 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:41am

I remembered the old Be Prepared "Boy Scout Moto" before leaving the house this morning.

Vaseline is in the office.

55 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:42am

re: #46 Occasional Reader

Stanley Kurtz should be prosecuted immediately for the mindcrime of insulting The One.

Put out an APB on Stanley Kurtz. He should be considered armed with a pen and dangerous.

56 onslow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:44:43am

The CRA has been on the side of the angels forever.

The likelihood of reading a straight accounting of this mess from most daily newspapers is less than my chance of beating Usain Bolt in the hundred meters dash.

57 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:07am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.


Are you ignorant? Dem policies created this mess...go drink your Kool-aid at KOS.

58 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:45am
WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do?

Well, the real community organizers look like this.

59 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:45am

re: #24 Dirk Diggler

These executives would have done well to grow some balls. They should have thrown the agitators out of the branches and filed restraining orders against them.

Instead they rewarded their obnoxious and illegal behavior with high risk loans.

Well, it was either that or get prosecuted on some trumped-up charge of discriminatory lending.

60 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:47am

Does anybody have projected numbers as to how many in the House are supporting the bill's passage, and how many are against?

The dems have enough votes if every dem lines up behind Pelosi and Frank, but I heard on Fox that as many as 45 house dems may be against it, and that they'll need at least 90 reps voting for it.

I think that's what was said. I still need more coffee, so mistakes in hearing are possible.

61 looking closely  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:48am

re: #15 amir

Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.


But its not for lack of trying.

Bush and the Republicans tried several times to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and lost in pure party-line votes to Democrats every time.

This mess was explicitly predicted for years, by numerous individuals including no less a personage than Alan Greenspan.

Its absolutely true that the Democrat Congress stopped effective reform before this crisis.

62 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:45:58am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

My understanding is Mussolini got his initial oxygen from a bunch of unemployed, upper-class college kids.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:46:06am

re: #42 Fat Jolly Penguin

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

Heh!
I hadn't seen that.

64 bosforus  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:46:11am

re: #15 amir

tool

65 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:04am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Oh, so a Dem controlled Senate, House and Executive branch, with more libs to be sent to the Supreme Court sounds good to you? Call me a racist, N0bama.

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:06am
67 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:10am

re: #47 Edgar

How articulate.

Maybe, but she is spot on.

68 Shanimal1918  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:13am

re: #23 Edgar

Well, it's a bit of a stretch to imply that Obama is responsible for the meltdown.

But yeah, he doesn't keep good company.

He is part of the machine that caused this meltdown. Nobody is trying to blame him directly that I know of. But the media needs to let everybody know the role he played in ACORN, and the role ACORN played in the crisis. Will they do it?

69 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:13am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

As President he would endorse the practice.

70 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:22am

re: #62 unreconstructed rebel

My understanding is Mussolini got his initial oxygen from a bunch of unemployed, upper-class college kids.

Yeah, but his real power came from lower-class street thugs.

71 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:29am

re: #36 Karagush

How many people you think this story will get to?
how many people will get the message that community organizer=extortionist?

Well, here is one heartening thing for you. I happened to write to a fellow lizard early this morning this sentence -

I am very much afraid that we have allowed those who would destroy America to gain the upper hand - people like Ayers, who now directs what students coming out of one of the largest & most prominent schools of education think.

I noticed when she replied to my email that Yahoo had very nicely inserted a tool tip link to a story connected with Ayers. I put it back in there where it belongs for you, without the tooltip.

72 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:36am

re: #61 looking closely

But its not for lack of trying.

Bush and the Republicans tried several times to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and lost in pure party-line votes to Democrats every time.

This mess was explicitly predicted for years, by numerous individuals including no less a personage than Alan Greenspan.

Its absolutely true that the Democrat Congress stopped effective reform before this crisis.


Due to the fact they were hip deep in $$$ and voter fraud.

73 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:43am

re: #64 bosforus

tool

An old tool, at that.

74 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:47:54am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

You're pretty damn funny. You do understand that Obama worked for ACORN, right? That he actually TRAINED people to use racial bullying to get fountains of cash for the undeserving poor? And you honestly think he's going to stand up to the race pimps and shut down the gravy train?

75 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:48:11am

re: #68 Shanimal1918

He is part of the machine that caused this meltdown. Nobody is trying to blame him directly that I know of. But the media needs to let everybody know the role he played in ACORN, and the role ACORN played in the crisis. Will they do it?

Nah. The media is feverishly working as his campaign manager.

76 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:48:39am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Right, and Herr Hitler is in the best position to protect us from those "brown shirt" street thugs.

/

77 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:02am

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

78 bosforus  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:09am

re: #73 MandyManners

An old tool, at that.

Over 2,000 comments, I'm surprised it's still around.

79 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:11am

For years, I've been reading ACORN's newsletter; I've known about this.

But, since it was nonprofit world, no one cared.

Oh, well...

Time to get some coffee.

80 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:46am

re: #76 Occasional Reader

Right, and Herr Hitler is in the best position to protect us from those "brown shirt" street thugs.

/

More like the Pied Piper leading his rats to the White house.

81 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:55am

He only wanted enough to wet his beak.

82 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:49:58am

re: #25 calvin coolidge

1977...Jim Carter...the gift that just keeps on giving.

Ugh!

Remember: Obama = Carter's second term.

83 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:03am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man.

Gee, amir, you are a trollish tool. Do you really believe that?

Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Unfortunately, your second sentence is all too true.

84 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:04am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Really? Better like sending law enforcement after those who exercise their 1st Amendment right to publicly disagree with him?

Get your naive head out of your ass.

85 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:30am

This is an amazing development, this column printed in a mainstream newspaper. Wow! This would-be Emperor and the lack of coverings to hide his privates. Oh my! This might smart.

86 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:40am

re: #53 celtic templar

This is what multi-culturalism and cries of racism, institutional racism have lead us to. Preemptive class warfare, redistribution of taxes to pay for this bailout - make no mistake, this is a war. Have nots are gunning for the haves.

We work, they get free housing
We work, they get free healthcare
We work, they get welfare
We work, they get food stamps
We work, they get free education
We work, they get bailed out

Problem is we both vote.

We're too busy working to realize that we are under siege.

"They" is not a race, it is a culture of immorality, materialism, exploitation. There are victims on both sides, but their puppet masters are the victimizers.

You know, I think you are wrong there. Way off base. I've been one of those have nots in the past and I know many of them today. Any agitation for a free ride is NOT coming from the have-nots. What they want is a fair shake.

Those agitating for free rides are people who already have plenty but want more and don't think they should have to pay for it. (Yes Barrak Obama and Nancy Pelosi, I'm talking about you.) They are the ones who want to be the new slave masters - because somebody, after all, has to work for it all.

87 amphibian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:50am

How are prospects for anyone to find out about this stuff? Looks like Husseinovich is doing better after the debate, basically because he beat the spread.

88 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:50:57am

loppyd,

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.

How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

89 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:01am

re: #77 Sol Roth

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

ACORN needs to meet RICO.

90 Dustoff-507  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:31am

Here's a great vido that nails it down.

91 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:32am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,

How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

Lock me up! I have free legal counsel...

92 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:51:57am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Please look into the eyes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank sometime today and ask them what happened on their watch of the Banking Committee.

I'm plenty pissed at Bush as well as everyone in Washington, but IIRC Bush is a part of the Executive Branch, which can not enact laws. Dodd and Frank should have caught and corrected this problem a long time ago.

93 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:09am

re: #77 Sol Roth

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

It's all about the ridistribution of wealth something NObama learned early and and supports on a global scale. Not only do we the taxpayer bail out Demcratic crooks but world thugs too.

[Link: www.aim.org...]

94 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:14am
95 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:21am

This article from City Journal was written back in 2003, but gives very good insight into what a corrupt POS organization this is. In the last paragraph is this observation:

There may be different approaches to community organizing. But there should also be a community organizers’ version of the Hippocratic oath: “First, do no harm.” ACORN founder George Wiley violated that oath when he used the poor as cannon fodder in a misbegotten scheme to throw the capitalist political economy into crisis

ACORN’s Nutty Regime for Cities

96 Fo knee ix  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:27am

At what point should we starting using the terms Reichstag Fire?

97 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:28am

re: #86 galloping granny

You know, I think you are wrong there. Way off base. I've been one of those have nots in the past and I know many of them today. Any agitation for a free ride is NOT coming from the have-nots. What they want is a fair shake.

Those agitating for free rides are people who already have plenty but want more and don't think they should have to pay for it. (Yes Barrak Obama and Nancy Pelosi, I'm talking about you.) They are the ones who want to be the new slave masters - because somebody, after all, has to work for it all.

I lived in the inner city, I know how this works. I'm not accusing the have nots of being wrong. I am accusing them of being exploited.

"but their puppet masters are the victimizers"

98 bosforus  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:38am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

I've got a joke for ya, amir.

99 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:52:56am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,

Yep. We live in a world where companies cave so they won't appear racist. Thanks, Jessie.
How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

I've already alerted the Mindcrime Patrol.

You seemed to hesitate in alerting them, Dirk. We'll be watching you.

100 BrianA  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:10am

This entire crisis was brought to us by Democrats and their racial pandering, trying to make sure and keep a block of votes.

101 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:27am

re: #92 jorline

Please look into the eyes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank sometime today and ask them what happened on their watch of the Banking Committee.

I'm plenty pissed at Bush as well as everyone in Washington, but IIRC Bush is a part of the Executive Branch, which can not enact laws. Dodd and Frank should have caught and corrected this problem a long time ago.

The real problem was that they did not see it as a "problem".

102 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:27am

re: #96 Fo knee ix

At what point should we starting using the terms Reichstag Fire?

When the Democrats start adopting policies that are really Nazi-like. Not yet.

103 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:29am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

You really believe The Manchurian Candidate, as President, would stand up to pressure groups when he's never stood up to them in the past? That's not the Change he's talking about.

104 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:37am

re: #92 jorline

Dodd and Frank should have caught and corrected this problem a long time ago.

Dodd and Frank caused this problem a long time ago. Good morning, hens -- I'd like you to meet your new security guards, the Silver Fox and the Fat Stuttering Fox.

105 Macker  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:53am

re: #60 Intrepid

Are you saying that 45 Dems are sane?

106 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:59am

re: #88 Dirk Diggler

loppyd,


How dare you speak ill of the "Reverend" Jackson.

One that makes a living inventing racism, desrves to be...

107 Fo knee ix  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:53:59am

Watch This and weep.

108 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:20am

re: #99 Occasional Reader

I've already alerted the Mindcrime Patrol.

You seemed to hesitate in alerting them, Dirk. We'll be watching you.

His papers need to be checked.

109 lurking faith  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:28am

re: #15 amir

If the 0ne miraculously stood up against the thugs who cry racism to get their way, those thugs would merely turn and destroy him to the best of their ability.

Or have you really not noticed how the left treats minorities and women who dare to disagree with the Dem party line?

110 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:53am

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

111 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:58am

Obama showed his ACORN tactics experience when he told his supporters down in New Mexico to engage those who are supporting McCain, and to get in their face! if necessary.

That's how his campaign has been run all along, even in the primary. Hillary's supporters (ie PUMAs) have experienced it and they're mad as hell that it continues to this day.

With MSM's treatment of Sarah Palin, they've shown complicity in Obama's tactics, while basically giving Joe Biden a walk with his many gaffes.

It's time to get out and get to work for McCain. He won't have a chance if we do nothing.

112 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:58am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

neither did the eight years of Clinton (Democrat) rule prior to the Bush presidency. Perhaps you should read the entire article.
this house of cards started in 77 under the distinguished guidance of Jimmah Carter.

these are items brought into being because of the DEMOCRATIC Control of congress over the past 50 years (with the exception of a couple of years under reagan and a couple under clinton)

The president does not make the laws, the congress does.

113 eolon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:54:59am

The disturbing fact is that this information won't change anything; for all intents and purposes Kurtz is just preaching to the choir.

The Obama has spoken - and the financial crisis was caused by trickle-down economics and tax breaks for Big Corporations.

It is fascinating to watch the aggressively ignorant Obama supporters hold their hands over their ears and run around going: "LA LA LA LA LA!".

...fascinating in the sense of watching a particularly disgusting bug.

Best Regards,

e

.::.

114 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:02am

re: #109 lurking faith

If the 0ne miraculously stood up against the thugs who cry racism to get their way, those thugs would merely turn and destroy him to the best of their ability.

Or have you really not noticed how the left treats minorities and women who dare to disagree with the Dem party line?

Or how they treat anyone who disagrees with the party line.

115 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:21am

re: #77 Sol Roth

Obama + ACORN + Racism = extortionage loan

3 mil at 2%

116 yesandno  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:24am

Let's get a huge nutcracker...

117 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:24am

Obama loses : racism!
Obama wins and you open your yap about how much the race situation has improved: racism!

118 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:55:41am
119 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:03am

Your text to link...

Kristol: How McCain Wins

Your text to link...

120 Karagush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:32am

re: #71 galloping granny

I noticed when she replied to my email that Yahoo had very nicely inserted a tool tip link to a story connected with Ayers. I put it back in there where it belongs for you, without the tooltip.

wow Granny, thanks! And the Post has circulation! hopefully people will start to talk. I am seriously worried for my country, and yeah, for myself, and my deployed sweetie.

This made me feel a little bit better.

121 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:34am

re: #117 Peacekeeper

Obama loses : racism!
Obama wins and you open your yap about how much the race situation has improved: racism!

Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Racism! No? Oh, wait, but I thought if someone votes for someone based solely on their skin color aren't they ra - never mind.

122 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:37am

re: #107 Fo knee ix

Watch This and weep.

Thieves.

123 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:47am

Oh, by the way guys...the orignal bill was gonna not only GIVE MONEY TO ACORN, BUT LA RAZA as well...chew on that for a few minutes...

124 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:56:50am

re: #101 Spiny Norman

The real problem was that they did not see it as a "problem".

give a shit. And still don't. They can hide in plain view.

125 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:05am

I was listening to a blurb from The Messiah this a.m.

He'll be so busy sending checks to all his constituents that it will not matter whether he steals taxes it or prints it.

Like Clinton, that man has never worked & has not a clue where money comes from. At least Clinton had Tyson to keep him in line. Obama has no idea.

126 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:06am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

Because right and wrong is lost in America.

127 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:15am

re: #108 loppyd

His papers need to be checked.

In your swift denunciation of the dangerous thought-deviant Dirk Diggler, you have taken an important first step in rehabilitating yourself, comrade. With this, plus a couple decades of labor on the new Trans-Florida Canal, your sins will be washed away.

128 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:18am

Gotta go.

129 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:19am

re: #121 loppyd

Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Racism! No? Oh, wait, but I thought if someone votes for someone based solely on their skin color aren't they ra - never mind.

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

130 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:57:25am

Heading out to grab lunch, take a drive along the ocean and listen to Rush.

BBL

131 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:07am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

How post-racial.

Whatevah.

132 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:16am

Let's face it...as Michelle Malkin says:

2008 - WE'RE SCREWED

133 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:28am

re: #130 loppyd

Heading out to grab lunch, take a drive along the ocean and listen to Rush.

BBL

Speaking of which, I sincerely hope Rush talks about the intimidation tactics in Missouri that popped up this weekend. Lord knows no one else is right now.

134 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:34am

The sound of ACORNs crunching under the wheels of the bus.

135 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:41am

I fear that while we have been trying to fight the dems on issues and within the system, they have corrupted the system in their favor.
Like Alinsky said they should, they got inside it and destroyed it from within.

136 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:47am
137 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

I'm hoping Gov. Palin fires the first shot across the bow in the debate this week.

138 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:04am

I'll take no cards, the truth is a pat hand.

The Queen of Hearts lurks.

139 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:04am

My view of the Obama candidacy... you can throw flowers at it, sing of its "virtues", and paint it with pretty colors, but it's still a lump of offal.

140 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:06am

re: #121 loppyd

Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Racism! No? Oh, wait, but I thought if someone votes for someone based solely on their skin color aren't they ra - never mind.

Racism is for white males only, we all wake up in the morning say "how do a screw over a minority today" don't we?

//sarc

NO racism = no democratic party platform.

141 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:07am

re: #130 loppyd

Lucky you. Enjoy!

/I'm trapped in an enviroment where the mere mention of Rush drives people into fits of insanity and apoplexy.

142 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:16am

re: #105 Macker

Are you saying that 45 Dems are sane?

Dunno if that's the actual number that was cited as an estimate on Fox - that's why I was wondering if anyone else had heard that interview.

I think it was in an interview with a Dem congressman from CA - he's absolutely against it and gave numbers.

Sheesh I need to go to the Fox website and try to find it.

BRB

143 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:19am

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible ...WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue ...YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

144 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:22am

re: #12 Hard Right

It wasn't dereg that caused it. It was govt. corruption of
capitalism. That and a deliberate refusal by the overseers to do their
jobs.

Regulation written for the benefit of the regulators (Congress).

145 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:27am

re: #101 Spiny Norman

The real problem was that they did not see it as a "problem".

IMHO...Dodd and Frank were looking for the curve ball and got smoked with three fastballs right down the middle.

Strike three...yourrr out!

146 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:38am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

In your swift denunciation of the dangerous thought-deviant Dirk Diggler, you have taken an important first step in rehabilitating yourself, comrade. With this, plus a couple decades of labor on the new Trans-Florida Canal, your sins will be washed away.

Comrades!

147 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:54am

re: #113 eolon

The disturbing fact is that this information won't change anything; for all intents and purposes Kurtz is just preaching to the choir.

The Obama has spoken - and the financial crisis was caused by trickle-down economics and tax breaks for Big Corporations.

It is fascinating to watch the aggressively ignorant Obama supporters hold their hands over their ears and run around going: "LA LA LA LA LA!".

...fascinating in the sense of watching a particularly disgusting bug.

Best Regards,

e

.::.


You're right. The problem is far to complicated for the average folk to even attempt understanding. So is the case with most issues the donks pull the wool over Americans eyes.

148 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:59:58am
149 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:06am

bbl

150 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:16am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

Multiple quadrillion updings for you. Once the "shamout" is passed, McCain should go nookyulure with the evidence, a fix and Obama's involvement.

The base would go wild.

151 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:18am

re: #131 loppyd

How post-racial.

Whatevah.

What? You don't want minority set-asides in the election booth?

152 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:39am

re: #131 loppyd

How post-racial.

Whatevah.

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

153 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #119 midwestgak

Your text to link...

Kristol: How McCain Wins

Your text to link...

Did you get my email?

154 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:00:49am

re: #92 jorline
Wish I coulda given you a hundred updings for that
one!

155 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:01am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible ...WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue ...YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

STFU and go elsewhere troll.

156 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:04am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

The sound of ACORNs crunching under the wheels of the bus.

Won't he be giving away his relationship with ACORN if he triest to throw it under the bus?

157 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:05am

Ah - on Fox now: Stenny Hoyer says he has a majority of dems for it, but needs 100 reps to vote for it in order for the bill to pass.

Yikes! That's a huge number of dems against this thing!

158 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:08am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible ...WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue ...YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

RACISTS!

159 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:14am

The picture of Obama is becoming more and more disturbingly clear day by day. I didn't have any love for this man's policies from day 1, but he just keeps looking worse and worse each day.

/I thought Hillary was bad...

160 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:33am

Wow, 155+ comments in 30 minutes?

161 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:01:46am

Hmm. Corruption, yet. You all are not buying Donna Brazile's nifty syllogism?:
I. E.:
(a) Pontius Pilate was a governor, Jesus was a Community Organizer
(b) Barack Obama was a Community Organizer
(c) Therefore! Barack Obama is Jesus.

162 Peacekeeper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:04am

re: #160 Ward Cleaver

Wow, 155+ comments in 30 minutes?

RACISM!

163 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:04am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Good Lord.

"After all, the poor dears can't be held up to, you know, white people standards."

/the soft WHAT of low expectations?

164 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:05am

OR,

I've already alerted the Mindcrime Patrol.

You seemed to hesitate in alerting them, Dirk. We'll be watching you.

Fine send me back to Room 101. I can resist any kind of torture and interrogation you can dream up.

Just don't force me to have multiple, simultaneous sexual encounters with Scarlett Johanssen and Jessica Alba. I just couldn't bear that. I'll crack I know it!

/The "Brer Rabbit" counterinterrogation technique

165 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:06am
166 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #157 Intrepid

Ah - on Fox now: Stenny Hoyer says he has a majority of dems for it, but needs 100 reps to vote for it in order for the bill to pass.

Yikes! That's a huge number of dems against this thing!

Not enough money for ACORN?

167 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #143 Excaliber

Off yer meds this early in the day?

168 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:39am

re: #143 Excaliber

You must be right, since you use ALL CAPS!


/drive-by troll.

169 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:42am

re: #143 Excaliber

What is it about this thread that's drawing the trolls?

170 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:52am

re: #167 MandyManners

Off yer meds this early in the day?

Who sounded the troll call?

171 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:54am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

You do the same exact thing , blame the Dems , blame Obama , no it couldn't be the Republicans with their "no government , no regulation " .."trickle down bullshit"

Who removed SCC watcdog after he fined Wall Street Firms % billion or so ?

And what did the "Bush replacement " do ? Fines dropped 80 % .

Who are you kidding ?

The ONE thing good I can say about McCsain is that he warned his REPUBLICAN PROTEGES 2 yrs ago about this .


What a FUCKING CROCK OF BULLSHIT that "ACORN " is responsible ...WALL STREET Firms , THEIR LOBBYISTS , and ALL THE POLITICIANS THAT LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE FINANCIAL ASSHOLES RAN AMUCK ARE TO BLAME .
WHO ARE YOU JOKERS KIDDING .

YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO PUT A PARTISAN SPIN ON SOMETHING ALL THE POLITICOS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR .

YOU'RE BEING ASSHOLES , AND I DETECT A BIT OF RACISM HERE , AFTER ALL WHO ARE THOSE "MINORITIES " THE THE POOR OLD BIG BANKERS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO , WAS ITREALLY "FORCED " , OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN"T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE MORTGAGES WERE BEING BUNDLED AND SOLD TO THE NEXT SUCKERS IN LINE , FOR PROFIT .

Maybe you all had your eyes closed too , as long as your portfolios were being fattened .

Those "investment packages " of bad loans or "toxic " loans as is the by-word these days , were touted world wide to more greedy investors , who also had their heads turned the other way .
It was all only a matter of WHO WAS LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN , AND EVERYONE KNEW IT .

So to all you assholes out there who are gonna try an make this a partisan issue ...YOU ARE AS BIG A BUNCH OF FOOLS AS THE IDIOTS WHO OVERSAW THIS MESS , AND THOSE WHO MADE IT .

RAVING MOONBAT!

172 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:56am

re: #137 MandyManners

I'm hoping Gov. Palin fires the first shot across the bow in the debate this week.

They ought to have Palin in a room all week and MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS the problem, can clearly explain it to the American people and explain the root of the cause. Let her loose. Heck, i am available to walk her through it. It is really not that hard to understand...

By the way, this bill may not pass. McCain ought to come out right now and say he opposes it...

173 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:02:59am

re: #143 Excaliber

Excaliber? More like a paring knife.

174 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:00am

re: #143 Excaliber

Please return to under your bridge to wait for the goats.

175 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:22am

re: #168 mitthrawnurdo

You must be right, since you use ALL CAPS!


/drive-by troll.

I only take it seriously if it's written in crayon.

176 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:24am

re: #165 taxfreekiller

the ban stick is going to get a work out today ,

Quite possibly. We'll just have to wait and see who lays the turds on the rug today.

177 phil flavin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:48am

Hey Excaliber, just because you use ALL CAPS does not make something true. Go enjoy a decaf.

178 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:50am

re: #170 Hard Right

Who sounded the troll call?

Not I!

179 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:03:58am

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Good Lord.

"After all, the poor dears can't be held up to, you know, white people standards."

/the soft WHAT of low expectations?

Can you imagine anything more racist? You're not as good as them white people, so will prop you up to fail.

180 Wishing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:01am

re: #107 Fo knee ix

Thanks for the video

181 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:07am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, the WOT is over.

Obama will meet with all world leaders without pre-condition.

That, and BHO has ties to a domestic terrorist.

The Democrats are largely responsible for the failure of the nation's largest banks, vis a vis Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

And Barack Hussein Obama II will win the election November 4, with well over 300 electoral votes.

It's just the way it is.

182 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:13am

re: #171 Sol Roth

RAVING MOONBAT!

Just another idiot that calls themselves a "moderate" and pats themself on the back for being superior to us "mindless rethuglicans".

183 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:19am

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Good Lord.

"After all, the poor dears can't be held up to, you know, white people standards."

/the soft WHAT of low expectations?

Ok, what would you do, if you were, say, a resident of Russia with the right to vote? Would you vote for a Western-educated, pro-American candidate or a Russian nationalist?

184 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:27am
185 Spiny Norman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:36am

re: #143 Excaliber

He's got a CAPSLOCK key and knows how to use it!

186 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:46am

re: #143 Excaliber

POOR OLD BIG BANKERS = your anti-capitalist, because you view hard work and success as an EVIL.

Confuse a liberal = state a fact.

FACT: ACORN (NOBAMA) used race to influence banks to give loans (minorities) that smart capitalist principles (bank denial) would have policed.

187 amphibian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:58am

re: #21 skree

I feel like I have gone crazy and landed in bizarro world. I am stunned by the breadth of stupidity of those who follow Obama. I weep for this country.

Not stupidity. On the contrary, a lot of the smartest people I know, and the most educated, are foaming at the month in favor of Hussein Husseinovich. In their various professions, they really are quite competent. I do not understand how they fail to see through this wind-bag of a community organizer, but there you are.

I wonder if it's because they spent their lives in a bubble, with money appearing in their bank accounts and the engineering work/medical treatment/legal services they provided disappearing into society, and no tangible connection between the two. With a simplified view of the world outside their bubble, maybe they don't get how things work? For instance, one telling attitude I've encountered is, "I'm living comfortably, but there are poor people out there who are not. If this government program will make the poor people live better, I'm in favor of it!" Naive understanding of the world, in other words, coupled with lots of good intentions and the arrogance of thinking that being a good biochemist makes one an expert everywhere else as well.

188 lurking faith  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:04:59am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Only if they think their interests can only be served by someone else of the same skin color. And I do think that's racist. And divisive.

I don't give a flying fig what color my representative is; I want someone who shares my ideas on what government should do.

189 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:00am

re: #172 cblesz

They ought to have Palin in a room all week and MAKE SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS the problem, can clearly explain it to the American people and explain the root of the cause. Let her loose. Heck, i am available to walk her through it. It is really not that hard to understand...

By the way, this bill may not pass. McCain ought to come out right now and say he opposes it...

I don't know about that.

190 celtic templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:03am

re: #176 Honorary Yooper

Quite possibly. We'll just have to wait and see who lays the turds on the rug today.

There should be a lower keystroke count for trolls - instead of 5 bloody paragraphs to get to his point that we suck and we are racists ... blah blah blah.

191 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:04am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

No, it's not different at all.

192 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:08am

Excaliber... soon to be Excoriated Exlizard.

193 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:16am

re: #169 Fat Jolly Penguin

What is it about this thread that's drawing the trolls?

It is their "end-justifies-the-means-higher-purpose" stance. Come out, attack in droves when cornered with truth.

194 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:33am

re: #143 Excaliber

Hey, Excalibur, Dude. You'd be more convincing if you knew how to spell your own nic.

195 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:50am

re: #96 Fo knee ix

At what point should we starting using the terms Reichstag Fire?

Never.

It sets my teeth on edge.

And we're not going to start mentioning the Smolny Institute unless someone named Kirov is murdered.

196 onslow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:05:52am

From NRO's The Corner


This Was All Predictable [Victor Davis Hanson]

That is an astounding tape of the past 2004 House hearings on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, in which Reps. Walters, Meeks, Davis, Clay, and Frank (who really should recuse himself from the present discussions given his culpability for the original mess) essentially bully and all but call the honest worried bank regulators liars and quasi-racists after hearing their prescient warnings that these institutions were suspect, violating accounting laws in Enron-like fashion, verging on insolvency, and being used as cash cows for their dishonest administrators.

The shouting, accusations, grandstanding, praise of 100% financing, and kudos to Franklin Raines (whose creative accounting allowed himself and his cronies multimillion dollar bonuses) are surreal. And to watch these exchanges is chilling since it is a scary example of demagoguery in which statistics and audits, in postmodern fashion, are attacked as biased.


PS. As I recall Raines was the one who, following the Enron scandals, gave public lectures about corporate responsiblity and CEO honesty. And as one begins to read about Raines, James Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, and Leland Brendsel at Freddie Mac, one begins to understand their modus operandi. Freddie and Fannie were landing pads for former Democratic insiders, who milked the agencies for millions in bonuses as they covered their tracks by donations to Congressional candiates and pseudo-racial-populism of helping minorities buy homes with little down. Their careers are every bit as nauseating as anything at Enron — and yet the press strangely does not go after them in the manner we learned of Ken Lay's deceit. God help us all.


09/29 10:08 AM

197 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:05am

re: #194 FloridaAnole

Hey, Excalibur, Dude. You'd be more convincing if you knew how to spell your own nic.


Not too sharp...

198 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:18am

Yet another video of Democrats blocking, covering up and lying about growing trouble at Fanny Mae & Freddie Mac.

And yet another smoking gun most of the media will ignore.

199 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #188 lurking faith

Only if they think their interests can only be served by someone else of the same skin color. And I do think that's racist. And divisive.

I don't give a flying fig what color my representative is; I want someone who shares my ideas on what government should do.

I think many black people in America see racism permeating the entire "white" establishment. If they vote for Obama solely because it's black, it's more paranoia than racial hatred, I'd say.

200 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #152 Edgar

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

So black needs are different than white needs?

Shelter black yes white yes
Food black yes white yes
Water black yes white yes
Jobs black yes white yes
Schools black yes white yes
Secure neighborhoods black yes white yes

I don't really see how blacks have different needs than do whites. Would you explain?

201 myfathersdaughter  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:39am

Kurtz should also mention that ACORN has been caught with all those fraudulent voter registrations the last several years...

202 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #143 Excaliber

It's still around.

*poke*

203 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:44am
204 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:06:50am

re: #132 cblesz

Let's face it...as Michelle Malkin says:

2008 - WE'RE SCREWED

You know, I was starting to feel better about life as I was driving into work today. Then I get in and while I'm waiting for a build to finish, lo and behold I read the latest two articles.

And I really have to wonder about the future--is it worth it to try to leave anything to my kids, because I'm afraid the government is going to take it all.

205 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:04am

re: #110 cblesz

I have been harping on this for a while now. I work on "Wall Street" and actually trade in the securities that are causing the problem.

As I have stated, I am furious that Frank, Chucky Schumer, Dodd, et al are blaming Republicans for this mess. They blame the under regulation and Bush. It is pissing me off. ACORN, but more specifically the CRA and Fannie and Freddie are the problem. The media NEEDS to get on this NOW. If McCain continues to allow the finger pointing, he is doomed. The average voter believes the Republicans are to blame and knows nothing about the CRA, Fannie, Freddie, Chucky Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and how Obambi is caught up in it.

I just printed a wapo article regarding this so my son has amunition at his place of employment when everyone but the owner starts their crap.

LET THE EDUCATION COMMENCE.

206 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:11am

re: #194 FloridaAnole

Hey, Excalibur, Dude. You'd be more convincing if you knew how to spell your own nic.

ROFLMAO!

207 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:23am

re: #183 Edgar

Ok, what would you do, if you were, say, a resident of Russia with the right to vote? Would you vote for a Western-educated, pro-American candidate or a Russian nationalist?

Red herring + non sequitur = Nice try.

Your position was, it's okay for minorities to vote for a candidate based solely on skin color.

Indefensible.

208 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:30am

re: #190 celtic templar

There should be a lower keystroke count for trolls - instead of 5 bloody paragraphs to get to his point that we suck and we are racists ... blah blah blah.

I simply view it as troll diarrhea, cha cha cha.

209 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:36am
210 guzziguy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:37am

Can we require a "political suicide pact" from our reps? Assuming this monstrosity passes. It will in some form. Can we please make each one voting for passage step up to the microphone and state,

"I am (Rep./Sen.) ___. I represent district ___ in the great state/commonwealth of ___. Along with my yes vote on this financial bailout plan I hereby make the following pledge. I affirm that I, my family, any of my friends who could possibly be termed "close" will not directly benefit in any way more than the common U.S. citizen as a result of this yes vote. I further pledge that should this bailout plan prove to be an error of judgment. If this is not a permanent and lasting fix for the financial market of this great country I will not seek reelection.
Further, should this vote be a mistake and the financial fix not be permanent and lasting I pledge once having left public service at the end of this position never to return. Additionally I will in no way be available for consulting, advising, lecturing or in any way seek to make my opinions known to the general public. I shall completely retire from all forms of the public forum and the marketplace of ideas.
So help me God I do so swear."

I think I'd be much more comfortable with their vote then.

211 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:47am

re: #200 Perplexed

So black needs are different than white needs?

Shelter black yes white yes
Food black yes white yes
Water black yes white yes
Jobs black yes white yes
Schools black yes white yes
Secure neighborhoods black yes white yes

I don't really see how blacks have different needs than do whites. Would you explain?

A larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line, for example. So it makes sense to elect a candidate that would do things like raise the minimum wage, etc.

212 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:53am

re: #177 phil flavin

Hey Excaliber, just because you use ALL CAPS does not make something true. Go enjoy a decaf.

Or a hot steaming mug of STFU.

213 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:56am

re: #181 metoothen

Yes, the WOT is over.

*snip*

And Barack Hussein Obama II will win the election November 4, with well over 300 electoral votes.

It's just the way it is.

The *snip*ped part was OK, but for the rest of it gets a LOL WUT? from me.

214 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:07:56am

The left is giving Sarah Palin a ton of crap about her lack of experience.

At this point I'm ready to replace everyone in Washington and replace them with Palin like principled people.

Experience doesn't mean SHIT...look who got us in this position.

215 thefallingman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:11am

Oh, come on. We all know that the CRA and groups like ACORN are in no way responsible for the current situation. We all know it was unscrupulous lenders sneaking into poor people's apartments at night, surreptitiously taking the poor families with all their furniture and possessions out, deviously putting them in homes they couldn't afford, and hypnotizing them into signing for loans they couldn't repay. That's what really went on. Damn Black Ops bankers.

216 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:18am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

Excaliber? More like a paring knife.

Maybe a butter knife

217 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:22am

re: #187 amphibian

Well said!

218 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:47am

re: #143 Excaliber

Where did you learn to communicate, from the Kostards? Capital letters do not make your argument more convincing. Next time, try reading the links and notice that good arguments use actual facts to support their premise. Ranting about Wall Street greed and using obscenities just proves you are a fool of no importance.

219 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #207 Occasional Reader

Red herring + non sequitur = Nice try.

Your position was, it's okay for minorities to vote for a candidate based solely on skin color.

Indefensible.

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

220 Sol Roth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:08am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, the Democrats are pushing for the bailout not merely to lard their friends and allies with cash, but to de-fund the WoT--something they never had the guts to do straightforwardly--in a roundabout manner.

Well, they certainly would take advantage of it. However, "de-fund" and "Democrat" are not allowed in the same document. The collision of parallel universes would cause complete annihilation of the Bill.

M-theory you know.

221 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:23am

re: #172 cblesz

Let her watch the Burning Down the House video a few times!

222 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:25am

Better start calling us...

USRA

United Socialist Republic of America

223 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:28am

re: #214 jorline

The left is giving Sarah Palin a ton of crap about her lack of experience.

At this point I'm ready to replace everyone in Washington and replace them with Palin like principled people.

Experience doesn't mean SHIT...look who got us in this position.

I'm of the same mind ... an experienced politician, is just an elite liar.

224 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:32am

re: #165 taxfreekiller
We can hope so my friend.

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:33am
226 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:36am

re: #216 CynicalConservative

Maybe a butter knife

Buttah!

227 solomonpanting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:46am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

You a Brit?

228 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:09:49am

re: #216 CynicalConservative

Maybe a butter knife

More like a spork.

229 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #227 solomonpanting

You a Brit?

Maybe he meant it literally.

230 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:10:30am

re: #228 MandyManners

More like a spork.

LOL!

231 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:10:36am
232 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:11:14am

Is there some reason why everyone (nearly) seems obliged to quote Excaliber? Why don't we just GAZE him and get on with some important things?

233 jamgarr  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:11:15am

As I said on a thread the other day:

From tiny ACORNs mighty hoax do grow

234 bulwrk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:11:25am

re: #143 Excaliber

Whats the matter did mom forget to buy you your Lucky Charms when she went to the store this morning?

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:07am
236 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:45am

re: #234 bulwrk

Whats the matter did mom forget to buy you your Lucky Charms when she went to the store this morning?

You make him sound like a leprechaun.

237 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:47am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe. The dems want to wreck the country, and de-funding the WOT is one way to do it.
Then, some Iranian dirty bomb gets in to NYC harbor and LA harbor, and this bailout will look like chump change.
But I think there are a good number of dems who want it. [deleted]

238 Eowyn2  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:12:58am

re: #204 vxbush

You know, I was starting to feel better about life as I was driving into work today. Then I get in and while I'm waiting for a build to finish, lo and behold I read the latest two articles.

And I really have to wonder about the future--is it worth it to try to leave anything to my kids, because I'm afraid the government is going to take it all.

Bury everything in the backyard.

239 Killer Tomato  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:09am

I've noticed lately we have a lot of people who registered years ago and have less than 500 posts, suddenly showing up here and blathering doom and gloom.
What gives?

240 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:13am

re: #15 amir

As president, Obama will be better able to thwart pressure from groups threatening the racism charge than a white Republican man. Lets face it, eight years of Republican rule in the White House did not bring these unwise lending practices to am end.

Thanks to the democrats in Congress.

241 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:33am

re: #239 Killer Tomato

I've noticed lately we have a lot of people who registered years ago and have less than 500 posts, suddenly showing up here and blathering doom and gloom.
What gives?

Election trolls?

242 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:41am
243 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:13:44am

re: #222 cblesz

Better start calling us...

USRA

United Socialist Republic of America

Never.

244 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:02am

re: #239 Killer Tomato

Just some trolls who signed up during the 2004 election.

245 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:18am

re: #211 Edgar

A larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line, for example. So it makes sense to elect a candidate that would do things like raise the minimum wage, etc.

So you raise the minimum wages and the small businesses lay off workers because of market constrains? Nice.

Why do a larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line?

246 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:27am
247 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:50am

re: #204 vxbush

You know, I was starting to feel better about life as I was driving into work today. Then I get in and while I'm waiting for a build to finish, lo and behold I read the latest two articles.

And I really have to wonder about the future--is it worth it to try to leave anything to my kids, because I'm afraid the government is going to take it all.

This is ridiculous!

Do not allow all this doom-saying drag you down.

Michelle Malkin needs to calm down and buck up, and so do a lot of other people.

248 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:55am

re: #209 buzzsawmonkey

You are either totally misunderstanding me, totally incoherent, or both.

I am merely positing that the Democrats are attempting to use the bailout as a roundabout means of de-funding the WoT. That does not mean they will succeed, or that Obama will be elected. But I think it is a point worth mentioning, and mulling over at least briefly.

I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Do you?

No, I didn't misread what you wrote.

In fact, I think what you wrote is brilliant.

You don't give yourself enough credit for being prescient.

Perhaps where we disagree is that I think the power of the MSM to shape the information to the electorate is too strong to overcome. My 81 year old mother who gets her news from CNN has ALL of the DNC talking points down perfectly.

To paraphrase, "When you've lost The Grammie, you've lost America."

I cannot see any way that McCain can or will win VA, PA, IN, OH FL, NV, MO, which is pretty much what he needs to do if he has a chance at beating Obama.

See for yourself Electoral Map

So, we disagree, I think you do know what you're talking about.

As for me, not so sure. But you seem persuasive.

249 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:14:57am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Excuse me? Each and every black man and woman, each hispanic man and woman, each "other" man and woman has just as much representation in congress as I do, a white woman.

We do not elect our representatives to represent the color of our skin or our chromosome make-up: we elect them to represent our interests REGARDLESS of our skin shade or gender.

250 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:07am

re: #245 Perplexed

So you raise the minimum wages and the small businesses lay off workers because of market constrains? Nice.

Why do a larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line?

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

251 cblesz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #243 scottishbuzzsaw

Never.

Government is gonna own everything real soon...

252 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:41am

I still keep the hope that if Obama's connections and background are thoroughly investigated as I know the press is capable of doing, witness Governor Palin's facials, and reported broadly in all media, like some Paris Hilton escapade, the American people will reject The One as the Communist Obamanation that he and his corrupt terrorist cronies, in fact, are.

Well, hope is a thing with feathers.

253 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:52am

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, he got it right. "Ex caliber" means "formerly classy."

LOL!

254 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:15:57am
255 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:16:54am

re: #244 Kenneth

Sleeper trolls.

/Nowthey'll go back to HuffPo or DK, from whence they came, and claim victory over the lizards with the mighty weapons of: ALLCAPS, mentions of "Republican Rule", and "Excaliber".

256 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:02am

re: #249 Intrepid

Excuse me? Each and every black man and woman, each hispanic man and woman, each "other" man and woman has just as much representation in congress as I do, a white woman.

We do not elect our representatives to represent the color of our skin or our chromosome make-up: we elect them to represent our interests REGARDLESS of our skin shade or gender.

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

257 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #254 Fritz_Katz

Amir & Excaliber

ROFLMAO...ding

258 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #211 Edgar

Oh, for heaven's sake! I'm so sick of reading that, and the implication that, "Well, it's understandable that blacks think it's racism." Because it's not understandable. It's not racism.

It's infuriating - it's the notion that being a helpless victim is a good thing!

259 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:17:50am

re: #247 Dianna

This is ridiculous!

Do not allow all this doom-saying drag you down.

Michelle Malkin needs to calm down and buck up, and so do a lot of other people.

Amen.

260 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:03am

Every single one of us should be appalled at the extent to which leftist liberals have advanced their social engineering agendas. A massive shift of wealth and power has occurred in the last thirty-plus years under the guise of promoting "fairness" and "equality". Whenever the efficacy of the methods and designs of this subterfuge are questioned, charges of racism and bigotry have effectively silenced critique. This radical effort to "level the playing field" has resulted in the current crisis of confidence in capitalism and the viability of a free society. Of course, this was the end-game all along.

261 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:44am

re: #219 Edgar

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

How many different things are wrong with this. Let's see:

1) Obama didn't grow up in the 'hood. It's ridiculous to claim he has some deep understanding of being poor and "underclass", based solely on his skin color.

2) Tookie Williams DID grow up in the 'hood. So I guess he'd have made a great candidate, and it would have been personally understandable for lots of black folks to vote for him. Right? I mean, he had the same skin color, and "a different culture and mentality", and all that. He was all authentic n' stuff.

3) I have this odd idea that voters in a democracy are responsible for choosing the best candidates available to them. Period. Same rule applies to everyone, regardless of skin color.

262 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:45am

re: #258 Dianna

Oh, for heaven's sake! I'm so sick of reading that

Reading what?

263 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:18:53am

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

I propose, again, something I first raised last night.

The roots of the current financial crisis go back many years. But by all accounts, the immediate crunch we are now experiencing could have been drastically reduced, if not averted entirely, if the "mark to market" rule had been suspended--and the question of whether or not to sign on to a grotesquely swollen bailout would have been avoided had the Democrat-run Congress taken the initiative to address the current issues in a timely fashion.

This leads me to pose the question of whether the Democrats let the issue fester until the last minute, not merely in order to get a bailout for their friends and money for their pet vote-fraud organizations--but for the purpose of de-funding the War on Terror.

Even Obama is having trouble keeping up his "the surge was a failure, the Iraq effort was a failure" line. The Democrats have not dared de-fund the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan, for fear of being accurately labeled "soft on defense" and "not supporting the troops." But you will have noticed, in recent weeks, a constant reiteration, in billions, of how much the war is costing us per day/week/month/year.

This makes the financial crisis a Heaven-sent opportunity for the Democrats. If we all of a sudden have to pump hundreds of billions into the domestic economy ("That's to save your house and your retirement, Mr. and Mrs. Smith"), they can credibly claim that we have to fold our efforts against Al Qaeda and bring all the troops home--and, of course, cut back the military--because we simply can't afford not to.

The Democrats don't not support the troops--oh, heavens, no. They aren't against the war effort, or questioning its necessity--no, never. They simply want to make sure that the struggling middle class of America is taken care of first--via the bailout--and so the war effort, however worthy and however successful up to now, has to go down the drain.

In other words, the Democrats are pushing for the bailout not merely to lard their friends and allies with cash, but to de-fund the WoT--something they never had the guts to do straightforwardly--in a roundabout manner.

This outstanding analysis deserves a gazillion updings!
Sorry I've got only the one ...

264 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:13am

re: #175 MandyManners

I only take it seriously if it's written in crayon.

On construction paper, with "My Little Pony" stickers adorning it.

265 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:18am

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Oh? I just pointed out to you the needs of black communities and white communities. Pretty much lined up. You then said that black communities needed a higher minimum wage because of poverty. I asked why are black communities poor.

You reply with drivel unrelated to the question I posed.

So Edgar, why are black communities often poor?

266 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:25am

re: #213 Fat Jolly Penguin

Look, I hope I'm wrong.

But the polls do not reflect McCain winning. Obama has his largest lead to-date.

The MSM is relentless in its push to have Obama elected.

Laugh all you want, I don't see McCain winning.

Persuade me otherwise. How is McCain going to win FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV? He needs ALL of them to win the presidency.

OK, how is it going to happen?

267 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:28am

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Actually, I can.

And I will.

268 vxbush  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:19:53am

re: #259 scottishbuzzsaw

Amen.

Well, I can do little, other than yell at my senators and representatives and vote my conscience. I only have my mortgage as debt--nothing else. So I've done as much as I can for my own financial health.

269 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:20:50am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

I've lived in crack central. I probably know more about the actual problems than you - in your self-righteous, insufferably condescending way - ever could.

270 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:20:51am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

How many different things are wrong with this. Let's see:

1) Obama didn't grow up in the 'hood. It's ridiculous to claim he has some deep understanding of being poor and "underclass", based solely on his skin color.

2) Tookie Williams DID grow up in the 'hood. So I guess he'd have made a great candidate, and it would have been personally understandable for lots of black folks to vote for him. Right? I mean, he had the same skin color, and "a different culture and mentality", and all that. He was all authentic n' stuff.

3) I have this odd idea that voters in a democracy are responsible for choosing the best candidates available to them. Period. Same rule applies to everyone, regardless of skin color.

1- Yes, fine. I didn't say it was rational. But many people assume he has a better understanding of those problems than McCain because he's worked in poor areas.

2 - Don't be ridiculous

3 - There are no "rules" to voting. People can vote for whomever they want.

271 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:10am

re: #11 lawhawk

Well, you wanted to know what community organizers do. Here's Exhibit A.

They set up a house of cards, all in the name of affordable housing. They get people to think that they're getting something for nothing, pressure the government and lending institutions to extend loans that they know, or should know, that the borrowers are incapable of ever repaying, but do so under the pretense that it is racist to do otherwise.

The problem grows like a cancer, and no one does anything to stop it, because again, it would be considered racist to stop lending to those incapable of repaying.

Just another housing project from the Left, with predictable results.

272 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #264 Intrepid

On construction paper, with "My Little Pony" stickers adorning it.

And words cut out from a newspaper glued to the paper.

273 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #265 Perplexed

Oh? I just pointed out to you the needs of black communities and white communities. Pretty much lined up. You then said that black communities needed a higher minimum wage because of poverty. I asked why are black communities poor.

You reply with drivel unrelated to the question I posed.

So Edgar, why are black communities often poor?

I never said any of that. I speculated on why black people might vote for a black candidate.

274 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #199 Edgar

I think many black people in America see racism permeating the entire "white" establishment. If they vote for Obama solely because it's black, it's more paranoia than racial hatred, I'd say.

And why do they see that, even though the "white establishment" has bent over backwards for the last 40+ years to give equal opportunity, and even special assistance like affirmative action, to African-Americans and other minorities? Because their so-called leaders make a handsome living off of scaring the bejeebers out of them at every term. They're constantly told that it's all whitey's fault, that everything that goes wrong in their life is the result of a giant conspiracy against blacks, and only loud complaining and extorting money from both the government and corporations can possibly help them. If it's paranoia, that's where it comes from.

275 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:03am

re: #266 metoothen

And you seriously believe those polls? Or are you just depressed today?

276 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:12am

re: #269 Dianna

I've lived in crack central.

Surprise.

277 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:30am

re: #269 Dianna

I've lived in crack central. I probably know more about the actual problems than you - in your self-righteous, insufferably condescending way - ever could.

Remember what he posted yesterday about a little suppression of free speech?

278 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:44am

re: #274 doppelganglander

And why do they see that, even though the "white establishment" has bent over backwards for the last 40+ years to give equal opportunity, and even special assistance like affirmative action, to African-Americans and other minorities? Because their so-called leaders make a handsome living off of scaring the bejeebers out of them at every term. They're constantly told that it's all whitey's fault, that everything that goes wrong in their life is the result of a giant conspiracy against blacks, and only loud complaining and extorting money from both the government and corporations can possibly help them. If it's paranoia, that's where it comes from.

I agree.

279 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:22:46am

re: #79 Dianna

For years, I've been reading ACORN's newsletter; I've known about this.

But, since it was nonprofit world, no one cared.

Oh, well...

Time to get some coffee.

This country has been undermined through all the various loopholes.

280 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:01am

re: #211 Edgar

A larger percentage of black people live below the poverty line, for example. So it makes sense to elect a candidate that would do things like raise the minimum wage, etc.

... which, in turn, dries up job creation, which hurts... guess who?

It's ludicrous to say that it "makes sense" for black people to elect politicians whose economic ideas make no sense.

It's nothing more than a confused form of bigotry. (And I apply that to you, Edgar, whatever color you might be.)

281 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:09am

Ooh. Look! A new thread.

282 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:13am

I'm still baffled as to why home ownership was ever deemed a inalienable "right" in this country.

283 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:35am

re: #143 Excaliber

POSTING IN CAP LOCKS MAKES ME SCROLL.

284 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:38am

re: #277 MandyManners

Remember what he posted yesterday about a little suppression of free speech?

Yeah, I mean it was obvious that i supported it, despite making it clear several times that I was 100% against it.

/sarc

285 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:23:57am

re: #273 Edgar

GAZE

Edgar too easy to fact your ass. You did say those things. Cursor up for a look around.

286 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #275 FloridaAnole

And you seriously believe those polls? Or are you just depressed today?

And what reason do you have to not believe them?

And it's not the absolute numbers that are the problem, it's the trends?

Wishing away the poll numbers doesn't make an argument.

Nor is it persuasive.

287 chukardog  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:43am

Why in the world is the McCian camp not pounding the crap out of this issue? Are they saving something as an October surprise?

288 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:48am

re: #263 yma o hyd

There is something to this idea, however, I don't think it came about intentionally for this reason. It came about because some people were getting very rich from the deal and they were paying politicians who were getting power from the deal. Money & power go together. They refused to see a potential problem because their financial & political self-interest was thoroughly invested in keeping this game going. We see now how Obama not only helped to create the problem, the problem helped to create him.

Obama is the president Freddie & Fanny built.

289 Buck  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:48am

re: #143 Excaliber

Man you guys are no different than the bloody muslims I argue with all day .

9/11 wasn't muslims it was Bush , CIA , Mossad , Zionists , NEO-CONs etc, etc,blah blah blah .

Somehow I don't see this being the same way. However, I do think that everyone liked the idea of helping the poor get housing.

Lets face it, that is the premise for everyones favorite x-mas movie "It's a Wonderful Life". Who really thinks George Bailey was doing the wrong thing helping people afford to buy their own house? Anyone?

Sure now we see that life is not a movie, and that there were going to be people who bought houses they really could not afford. I mean who knew that some people would use the low interest rates and easy credit to buy a second home?

I still have not seen even one story on a real hard luck case... a person who really got screwed, and didn't do this to themselves.

290 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:24:52am

re: #285 Perplexed

GAZE

Edgar too easy to fact your ass. You did say those things. Cursor up for a look around.

Then it should be easy to find the quotes. Get to work.

291 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:08am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Certainly. Thats why they have cured the problems of the inner city ever since LBJ's "Great Society" program. Because they understand the problems. You are totally and completely so full of shit I doubt you can walk.

292 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:23am

re: #239 Killer Tomato

I've noticed lately we have a lot of people who registered years ago and have less than 500 posts, suddenly showing up here and blathering doom and gloom.
What gives?

The obama truthers attacking those that dare to question the One. SOP for them.

293 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:25am

re: #262 Edgar

Reading what?

That muddle-headed nonsense about poverty and race. The oh-so-tolerant, "It's understandable that there's bad attitudes..." preamble that pretends that all human beings do not have equal rights before the law, and equal responsibility, as well.

I'm tired of people claiming that the problems of the inner cities are the fault of people who don't live there. I'm tired of people excusing the endless disasters brought on by race-baiting extortionists and the disappearance of money into nothing - nothing! - year on year on year, while the residents are constantly told that they are being oppressed!

294 Killer Tomato  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:28am

Words have meanings. Or at least they're supposed to.

rac·ism – noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

racism
The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society. Until the breakthroughs achieved by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, white domination over blacks was institutionalized and supported in all branches and levels of government, by denying blacks their civil rights and opportunities to participate in political, economic, and social communities.
The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition, Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company

295 Hard Right  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:53am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Starting with your Congressman?

Toxic waste is buried elsewhere.

296 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:26:58am

re: #291 maddogg

Certainly. Thats why they have cured the problems of the inner city ever since LBJ's "Great Society" program. Because they understand the problems. You are totally and completely so full of shit I doubt you can walk.

Can you address what I actually wrote and not what you imagine I think about this or that issue?

297 yesandno  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:13am

Well, ACORN got reparations through after all...

298 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:19am

re: #270 Edgar

1- Yes, fine. I didn't say it was rational. But many people assume he has a better understanding of those problems than McCain because he's worked in poor areas. [You have said repeatedly that it's rational ("makes sense") for minorities to vote solely based on a candidate's minority status.]

2 - Don't be ridiculous [Reductio ad absurdum of your own position. Deal with it.]

3 - There are no "rules" to voting. People can vote for whomever they want. [Straw man bullshit. I was clearly referring to my "rule" for judging how people use their votes, not for "allowing" them to vote. Nice try.]

299 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:29am

re: #286 metoothen

Polls are full of crap until the actual election. Do you remember the polls in 2000? 2004? Both had the Democrat up until the end, yet, Bush pulled out a victory.

300 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:27:34am

re: #293 Dianna

That muddle-headed nonsense about poverty and race. The oh-so-tolerant, "It's understandable that there's bad attitudes..." preamble that pretends that all human beings do not have equal rights before the law, and equal responsibility, as well.

I'm tired of people claiming that the problems of the inner cities are the fault of people who don't live there. I'm tired of people excusing the endless disasters brought on by race-baiting extortionists and the disappearance of money into nothing - nothing! - year on year on year, while the residents are constantly told that they are being oppressed!

I never wrote any of that.

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:09am
302 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:15am

re: #219 Edgar

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

That reads as if its straight out of the handbook of multiculti ...

I thought America prospered because it was a melting pot? And not a collection of getthos?

303 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:27am

re: #256 Edgar
Huh

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Would you say the same of people who live in suburban or rural America - that it's logical for people to vote for a white person who LIVES in those areas?
And btw, while ACORN is, iirc, nearly all black, social workers were, until around 2000, nearly all white, college educated "idealists" who tried like hell to improve the lot of the poor (read: Black) people living in the inner cities. Yet the Black Voters still voted for folks like Charles Rangel, Basil Patterson,
Herman Badillo, Percy Sutton and the like based upon: their skin color alone, NOT what they had actually done to get their constiutients out of poverty. All they really did was get modest increases in their welfare checks.

304 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:34am

re: #299 Honorary Yooper

Polls are full of crap until the actual election. Do you remember the polls in 2000? 2004? Both had the Democrat up until the end, yet, Bush pulled out a victory.

Great!

Me too, then!

Nothing to worry about.

I feel better already!

Thanks.

Really.

305 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:28:37am

re: #266 metoothen

Look, I hope I'm wrong.

But the polls do not reflect McCain winning. Obama has his largest lead to-date.

The MSM is relentless in its push to have Obama elected.

Laugh all you want, I don't see McCain winning.

Persuade me otherwise. How is McCain going to win FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV? He needs ALL of them to win the presidency.

OK, how is it going to happen?



OCTOBER

306 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:02am

re: #302 yma o hyd

That reads as if its straight out of the handbook of multiculti ...

I thought America prospered because it was a melting pot? And not a collection of getthos?

You're absolutely correct.

307 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:18am

re: #276 Edgar

Surprise.

I reported that.

You know why? Because that's in no way justified.

308 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:34am

re: #302 yma o hyd

That reads as if its straight out of the handbook of multiculti ...

I thought America prospered because it was a melting pot? And not a collection of getthos?

Well, 90% of the immigrants to America no longer live in ghettoes. But some still do.

309 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:29:53am

re: #296 Edgar

Can you address what I actually wrote and not what you imagine I think about this or that issue?

Why don't you copy and paste what you did indeed write, just so we simpletons can try and wrap our heads around it?

310 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:08am
311 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:20am

So I guess I should vote for David Duke, since he has roughly my complexion, so it's "logical" that he "understands" my problems.

/Edgarthink

312 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:32am

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Yes you can. As well as calling Russians who vote for Russian nationalists, fascists.

313 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:30:48am

re: #309 Cartman

Why don't you copy and paste what you did indeed write, just so we simpletons can try and wrap our heads around it?

Look, I'm tired of constantly restating my positions. If you don't understand the first time, I can't help you. I'm not digging up old threads to prove something, only to have you say "oh, but you're lying."

314 neocon hippie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #299 Honorary Yooper

I looked at the listing of the Fall 2004 polls at RCP, and the great majority of them had Bush ahead, although many of them were within the margin of error.

315 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:06am

re: #305 unrealizedviewpoint


OCTOBER

Wait, I'm confused.

I thought the polls were wrong and now there is the cryptic message of "October."

What is going to happen in October?

The press is going to stop in previously unrelenting, shameless, dishonest hacking?

There won't be 24/7 coverage that everything is McBush's fault?

How's that gonna' happen?

And why didn't I get the memo?

316 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:08am

re: #311 Occasional Reader

So I guess I should vote for David Duke, since he has roughly my complexion, so it's "logical" that he "understands" my problems.

/Edgarthink

Speaking of straw men...

317 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:17am

re: #282 Cartman

Well, being secure in one's property is one of those really basic rights. I guess people got blurry on what - exactly - was the right.

318 Claire  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:23am

re: #250 Edgar

My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

Oh, OK then. I'm voting for the white guy because he's white. He understands me better.

/

319 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:47am

re: #278 Edgar

I agree.

Then why are you sympathizing with and almost encouraging voting along racial lines? Why are you defending unfounded paranoia? Average black voters are being exploited by the Democrats and their own leaders, whipped into an emotional frenzy by a pack of lies, and for what? So Jeremiah Wright can live in a million-dollar house in a mostly white gated community. So Nancy Pelosi can be speaker of the house. So Jesse Jackson can take in millions by shaking down companies like Texaco. So Barack Obama can take the White House, employ Stasi-like tactics to silence his enemies, and implement Bill Ayers' socialist agenda. Black Americans benefit from this how?

And BTW, what was with that crack about being unsurprised that Dianna has lived in a crack-infested area? You've been here since July; Dianna has been here forever and is well-known as an intelligent, thoughtful, truthful poster. Exactly what are you implying?

320 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:48am

re: #286 metoothen

And what reason do you have to not believe them?

And it's not the absolute numbers that are the problem, it's the trends?

Wishing away the poll numbers doesn't make an argument.

Nor is it persuasive.

I assume you have had a statistics course. If so, you would know that the tolerance levels on some of the recent polls, +/_ 4.5, for example, are outside acceptable limits, and therefore these polls are junk. Where they are within acceptable limits, the polling is not a random sample, but a carefully engineered sample. For example, they general bring the sampling of GOP respondents down to 24% to 28%, and goose up the Dem sample to 36% - 42%, with independents filling in the rest. Apparently Rasmussen also confessed last week on TV that they were giving Obama an "affirmative action" bonus of several points.

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:49am

re: #302 yma o hyd

And not a collection of getthos?

Self-proclaimed "progressives" LOVE ghettos. And they actively seek to promote and maintain them.

322 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:31:56am

re: #300 Edgar

I never wrote any of that.

It's implied.

You somehow miss the implications of what you say.

323 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:23am

re: #318 Claire

Oh, OK then. I'm voting for the white guy because he's white. He understands me better.

/

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

324 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:26am

re: #303 realwest

Huh

Would you say the same of people who live in suburban or rural America - that it's logical for people to vote for a white person who LIVES in those areas?
And btw, while ACORN is, iirc, nearly all black, social workers were, until around 2000, nearly all white, college educated "idealists" who tried like hell to improve the lot of the poor (read: Black) people living in the inner cities. Yet the Black Voters still voted for folks like Charles Rangel, Basil Patterson,
Herman Badillo, Percy Sutton and the like based upon: their skin color alone, NOT what they had actually done to get their constiutients out of poverty. All they really did was get modest increases in their welfare checks.

Well said, RW.

325 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #211 Edgar

Please. Raising the minimum wage reduces jobs. Is that what you want?

326 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:55am

re: #314 neocon hippie

I looked at the listing of the Fall 2004 polls at RCP, and the great majority of them had Bush ahead, although many of them were within the margin of error.

You'd have never have known that from watching ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC.

327 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:32:59am
328 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:04am
329 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #322 Dianna

It's implied.

You somehow miss the implications of what you say.

I'm starting to think you're right. No matter what I write, people find insidious meanings within it.

330 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:11am
331 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:33:20am

re: #323 Edgar

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

It's the man's middle name.

332 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:00am

re: #276 Edgar

re: #269 Dianna

I've lived in crack central.

Surprise.


Fuck you.

[apologies to MandyManners for stepping on her lines]

333 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:20am
334 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #29 CommonSense

I wonder if they used "Crack Dealer" as employment history.

The term is "grassroots pharmacist."

335 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #296 Edgar


Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites.


Can you site any evidence at all that black people have any additional understanding at all of the root causes of the inner city problems? Because all of the "solutions" I have seen implemented have made the problems worse, indicating that most do not have a clue, or that they are disingenuous and are simply in the game for profit.

336 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:23am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

Self-proclaimed "progressives" LOVE ghettos. And they actively seek to promote and maintain them.

For a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

337 ErnieG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

It strikes me that Obama and the people he has around him running his campaign are remincent of Mussolini and his ilk.

Community organizing, voter fraud, shutting down criticism, threatening to prosecute anyone who makes critical comments about Obama, threatening to arrest anyone who doesn't toe the Obama party line when publishing an article or televising an editorial. The man has spoken of a "volunteer corps" that is reminicent of brownshirts, IMHO.

There is a great crazy afoot, and sadly, it's right here at home.

The "progressive" wing of the Democrat party has deep roots in fascist ideology. They were admirers of Mussolini, and even of Hitler in his early days. Truly, the ACORN does not fall far from the tree.

338 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:33am

Wasn't Edgar the name of the evil butler in The Arisotcats ?

Never trust Edgar.

339 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

Fuck you.

[apologies to MandyManners for stepping on her lines]

I guess some people don't like getting a taste of their own medicine.

340 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:48am

re: #323 Edgar

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

341 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:34:53am

re: #331 Honorary Yooper

It's the man's middle name.

Shut up with your racist facts!
/

342 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:12am

re: #320 FloridaAnole

I assume you have had a statistics course. If so, you would know that the tolerance levels on some of the recent polls, +/_ 4.5, for example, are outside acceptable limits, and therefore these polls are junk. Where they are within acceptable limits, the polling is not a random sample, but a carefully engineered sample. For example, they general bring the sampling of GOP respondents down to 24% to 28%, and goose up the Dem sample to 36% - 42%, with independents filling in the rest. Apparently Rasmussen also confessed last week on TV that they were giving Obama an "affirmative action" bonus of several points.

Like I said, Great!

Me too, then!

Nothing to worry about!

343 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:15am

re: #223 Celtic Templar

I'm of the same mind ... an experienced politician, is just an elite liar.

Sorry I missed your comment earlier...spot on, Celtic!

344 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:26am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Well, I'd wager you were wrong. I lived in the inner city, in what I fondly refer to as a checkerboard of neighborhoods (white and black tiles). Whites "understood" the problems of the inner city well enough. Black on white crime, black on black crime. I'm not a racist, but I can understand how one becomes one.

Philadelphia, "The brothers and sisters are running this city. Running it!" - Mayor John Street, a few years back. Sorry dude, I understand the inner city, have my scars to prove it (been in enough fights, been jumped and stabbed and held up). I just don't like it.

345 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #340 MandyManners

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

...And Obama is not a Muslim.

What's your point?

346 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:35:56am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

Fuck you.

[apologies to MandyManners for stepping on her lines]

I doubt he'll jump in the middle of your shit as he did me for saying that yesterday.

347 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:01am
348 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:08am

testing - forgive me.
How McCain Wins
Your text to link.

349 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:08am

re: #276 Edgar

Surprise.

Easy does it..You have come to the edge of the cliff..Now you may jump or get pushed..either way you'll end up in the LFG graveyard.

350 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:08am

re: #273 Edgar

I never said any of that. I speculated on why black people might vote for a black candidate.

No. You defended the idea that black people should vote SOLELY based on skin color.

351 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:18am

As I said before , alot of you folks are so partisan you can't even think straight .
Acorn jumped into a game already WELL IN PROGRESS , as did WAMU , WACHOVIA , , and all the biggies that have been sending money to their local politicos .

If none of you have the intelligence to recognize that this has NON-PARTISAN CAUSES , then you're nothing more than loudmouthed morons , who think their babble is clever , and the only valid reply is to ..lol...criticize spelling of a Proper name , which can be spelled anyway the user chooses.

Guess your schooling wasn't that complete , but judging by the comments , that's no surprise ...juveniles making sophomoric comments .


Keep your blind folds on , you'll be walking into more walls real soon .

Most of you are just too stupid to realize that both the Dems and Republicans are lieing thru their teeth , and they depend on suckers like you to suck it up ...and you do .

Yea , keep blaming "someone else " just like the jihadis do , you folks just have no idea of how similar you are .

The ONLY reason there is ANY debate on the bailout , is that the BUMS we call POLITICIANS , are too close to election time , and many would rather just hide until its over .

Ha ha , all of a sudden the man on Mainstreet is the focus ? Since when ?

Guess what ! Humans need to have regulations , else you get what you see today --- greedy fools running amock , and right in the center of that stampede of hogs , are your politicians .

352 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:22am

re: #336 MandyManners

For a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

I got that one stashed. Thanks!

353 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:33am

re: #335 maddogg

Can you site any evidence at all that black people have any additional understanding at all of the root causes of the inner city problems? Because all of the "solutions" I have seen implemented have made the problems worse, indicating that most do not have a clue, or that they are disingenuous and are simply in the game for profit.

Enough. I speculated on why black people vote Obama - I didn't make any sort of political statement.

354 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:36:58am

re: #339 Edgar

I guess some people don't like getting a taste of their own medicine.

I missed the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict. Care to link to it? You lying POS.

355 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:37:12am

I just love the Moby modus operandi.

"Show me what I wrote! You're putting words in my mouth! I didn't say that!".

All the while, never producing or reiterating their own pronouncements to support their charges.

356 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Easy does it..You have come to the edge of the cliff..Now you may jump or get pushed..either way you'll end up in the LFG graveyard.

Well, Mandy should go first, then. Every second comment is "FUCK YOU!" or something similar.

357 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:37:35am

re: #351 Excaliber

Dude - get your own blog.

358 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:03am

re: #118 taxfreekiller

bad pair of trolls
they will have to draw three new cards and hope for a change of luck

I'll take no cards, the truth is a pat hand.


Absolutely right. The problem is that a lot of oaks are falling down in The One's forest of lies, but few car enough to talk note it. Ergo, hardly anyone knows the truth.

That's not good when elections depend on an informed citizenry.

359 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #354 Occasional Reader

I missed the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict. Care to link to it? You lying POS.

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

360 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:28am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

Do they not have 12% representation in their government?

361 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:31am

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

hahahahahhahahahaa

362 Billy Hank  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:32am

car = care. PIMF

363 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #339 Edgar

You're a real slow learner ain'tcha?

364 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:11am

re: #47 Edgar

How articulate.

Edgar, yesterday you said that a some suppression of speech was okay. Are you saying now some of these tactics are okay?

365 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:25am
366 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #319 doppelganglander

Edgar doesn't like me. He likes to indulge in ad hominem attacks, and, when the attacked party responds in kind (note that I didn't), he cries that he's the victim of ad hominems.

It's fun, but it's rather easy to short-circuit.

367 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:32am

re: #351 Excaliber

Oh, go piss up a rope, you fucking moron.

368 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #353 Edgar

Enough. I speculated on why black people vote Obama - I didn't make any sort of political statement.

Fantasy. The black vote for Obama exceeds any rational voting trend. Just b/c they aren't wearing hoods, don't mean they're not racists.

369 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:48am

re: #364 JacksonTn

Edgar, yesterday you said that a some suppression of speech was okay. Are you saying now some of these tactics are okay?

I'm not responding to these comments anymore. Re-read the old thread.

370 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:53am

re: #352 Cap'n DOC

I got that one stashed. Thanks!

It's as old as dirt.

371 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:39:59am

re: #266 metoothen
" FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV?" Huh, Hillary Clinton beat Obama in those states and she beat him like a drum in California, New York, Michigan and Texas.
That the Dems have a bizzare way of electing delegates (e.g., Hillary beat Barry in Texas in the popular voting in the entire state, but Barry "won" more delegates) doesn't take away from the fact that, among democrats, Obama couldn't win enough states to win the General Election.
I'd grant you that California and probably New York and Illinois will go to Obama.
I'll wager you that McCain wins Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and, assuming no significant voter fraud, Ohio and Missouri.
Obama may win, no doubt about it; but it won't be in a landslide and despite what the MSM may say, he will not have earned any sort of "mandate" from the people.

372 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #343 jorline

Hey Jorline - it worked. See #348. I'll get the title part down next time I link something.

Thank you so much. I've been wanting to do this for a long time as you know. You figured this out on your own, eh? Pretty smart.

373 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:06am

re: #322 Dianna

It's implied.

You somehow miss the implications of what you say.

This is the same game he played yesterday!

374 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:14am

re: #348 midwestgak

testing - forgive me.
How McCain Wins
Your text to link.

Link worked...highlight the "How McCain Wins", then click the link icon.

375 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:17am
re: #354 Occasional Reader

I missed the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict. Care to link to it? You lying POS.


re: #359 Edgar

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

I think he still misses the part where Dianna insinuated that you were a drug addict.
"self-righteous and insufferably condescending" just means you're an asshole.

376 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #356 Edgar

Well, Mandy should go first, then. Every second comment is "FUCK YOU!" or something similar.

Liar.

377 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:40:42am

re: #373 Sharmuta

This is the same game he played yesterday!

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

378 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:11am

re: #251 cblesz

Government is gonna own everything real soon...


That's the left's plan, sad it's working.

379 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:14am

re: #376 MandyManners

Liar.

Sorry, sometimes you have things like "Oh, go piss up a rope, you fucking moron."

380 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:15am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

Self-proclaimed "progressives" LOVE ghettos. And they actively seek to promote and maintain them.

I personally love the way non-ghettoization spreads the new tastes and smells and clothes.

381 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:34am

That racist Limbaugh has been playing clips of the CBC members supporting Franklin Raines' trashing of FM/FM. Come on. Free money for the CBC./

382 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:34am

re: #377 Edgar

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

You can't win until what you say is correct and factual, not speculation and your own wishful thinking.

383 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:40am

re: #359 Edgar

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

That's the equivalent of calling her a druggie? Wowza. Thin-skinned, much?

384 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:41am

re: #373 Sharmuta

This is the same game he played yesterday!

"How dare you accurately summarize the idiotic thing I wrote!"

385 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:53am

re: #377 Edgar

Own your own comments.

386 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:54am

re: #359 Edgar

"self-righteous, insufferably condescending" were her words

Yes, because you are. This is an observation, not an attack.

387 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:41:54am

TFK is right. This one's working the room.

388 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:04am

re: #351 Excaliber

Go wander back to Kos, troll.

389 Sizzlack  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:18am

OT: Joe Biden is batshit crazy. I was watching a clip of a speech he gave on foreign policy where he stated that John McCain was wrong on Iraq. Now Biden voted for the Iraq war with almost everyone else in the Senate at the time. So it can't be that unless he is saying he is wrong too. Perhaps the surge, but no that worked so it cant be that. Yet Biden wanted to partition the country into three segments based along ethnic/religious lines, something that surely wouldn't have worked, and the Iraqis themselves did not like. So what the hell is this guy talking about. I almost feel like he gets his brain erased every nite before he goes to bed and has to cobble together his positions again every morning after he wakes up.

390 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #373 Sharmuta

Yes.

Shall we call out all his implications?

391 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:27am

re: #372 midwestgak

Hey Jorline - it worked. See #348. I'll get the title part down next time I link something.

Thank you so much. I've been wanting to do this for a long time as you know. You figured this out on your own, eh? Pretty smart.

Dumb luck...lol

Glad you got it down.

392 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:32am

re: #351 Excaliber

Fuck you, you witless worm.

393 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:42:57am

re: #373 Sharmuta

This is the same game he played yesterday!

It's the same game we play with every troll or moby.

394 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:06am

re: #383 MandyManners

That's the equivalent of calling her a druggie? Wowza. Thin-skinned, much?

Sorry can't comment on his thin skin. Gets that from the big O.

395 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:26am

re: #351 Excaliber


Are you NObama? I see the I am better than everyone and walk on water in your posts.

396 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #393 Honorary Yooper

It's the same game we play with every troll or moby.

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

397 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:33am

re: #394 kansas

Sorry can't comment on his thin skin. Gets that from the big O.

That's racist too.

///

398 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #392 maddogg

Fuck you, you witless worm.

I don't know, did he have anything worth saying? I don't have time for 4000 character comments. Give the man a chance

/

399 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:08am

re: #392 maddogg

Fuck you, you witless worm.

Oh, I love the "witless worm"!

400 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:22am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

And Charles wants to leave registration open and see what flushes in. Egads.

401 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:26am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

I'm calling you neither. Just misinformed and incorrect.

402 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #351 Excaliber

Guess what ! Humans need to have regulations , else you get what you see today --- greedy fools running amock , and right in the center of that stampede of hogs , are your politicians .

Where has anyone suggested otherwise? The fact remains that Bush and McCain both tried to do something about this years ago but were blocked by the democrats- so you're damned straight we're going to put blame on the dems.

Go back to where you came from and play with the jihadis some more.

403 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #394 kansas

Sorry can't comment on his thin skin. Gets that from the big O.

LOL!

404 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:28am

Can people quit with the ad homimems?

Please.

405 jamgarr  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:44:51am

re: #389 Sizzlack


I almost feel like he gets his brain erased every nite before he goes to bed and has to cobble together his positions again every morning after he wakes up.

An idea for a new movie - Adam Sandler can play Biden:

Fifty First Debates

406 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:03am

re: #389 Sizzlack

Joe Biden is batshit crazy.

So you didn't like his "let's give the mullahs $200 million so that maybe they'll like us" brainstorm from October 2001?

I'm pretty sure President FDR proposed something like that over a streaming webcast in 1929...

407 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #355 Cartman

I just love the Moby modus operandi.

"Show me what I wrote! You're putting words in my mouth! I didn't say that!".

All the while, never producing or reiterating their own pronouncements to support their charges.

Hiya Cartman!
This poster is probably the most obtuse one I've seen lately.

408 metoothen  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #371 realwest

" FL, MO, IN, PA, OH, VA, NV?" Huh, Hillary Clinton beat Obama in those states and she beat him like a drum in California, New York, Michigan and Texas.
That the Dems have a bizzare way of electing delegates (e.g., Hillary beat Barry in Texas in the popular voting in the entire state, but Barry "won" more delegates) doesn't take away from the fact that, among democrats, Obama couldn't win enough states to win the General Election.
I'd grant you that California and probably New York and Illinois will go to Obama.
I'll wager you that McCain wins Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania and, assuming no significant voter fraud, Ohio and Missouri.
Obama may win, no doubt about it; but it won't be in a landslide and despite what the MSM may say, he will not have earned any sort of "mandate" from the people.

Um, TX is not in play.

OK, so you'll need to explain VA and NV, too.

409 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:26am

re: #315 metoothen

Wait, I'm confused.

I thought the polls were wrong and now there is the cryptic message of "October."

What is going to happen in October?

The press is going to stop in previously unrelenting, shameless, dishonest hacking?

There won't be 24/7 coverage that everything is McBush's fault?

How's that gonna' happen?

And why didn't I get the memo?


Republican 527's

410 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:32am

re: #404 Edgar

Poor wittle victim. You want to justify racism in this house- you make me sick.

411 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:36am

re: #152 Edgar

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

So I should elect white people because they better understand my needs? That is total bullshit.

412 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #351 Excaliber

I missed your point in the yelling #143...but now I see where you're coming from.

///dripping sarc

413 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

You don't like the opinions around here, go somewhere else. No one's forcing you to stay.

414 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:45am
415 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:54am

re: #396 Edgar

More like: same game you play with anyone who disagrees with you.

Call them a troll or moby.

The game has less to do with disgareement than with owning one's own comments.

I disagree with plenty here. Check out a number of the threads on that if you wish.

416 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:45:58am

re: #329 Edgar

I'm starting to think you're right. No matter what I write, people find insidious meanings within it.

Don't be dense.

You claim to be an educated, intelligent person. You cannot possibly keep typing the things you do and not be aware of the implications of what you write!

417 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:46:36am

re: #410 Sharmuta

Poor wittle victim. You want to justify racism in this house- you make me sick.

Yes, Sharmuta, post a lie to get people's attention.

418 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:01am

re: #377 Edgar

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

You agreed with me, then didn't respond to my follow-up. I'll keep it short this time: Black voters vote along racial lines based on lies being fed to them by their own leadership, despite the fact that no benefits accrue to the average black voter. You seem to be okay with that state of affairs. I say black voters would be better served by ignoring race and becoming informed on the real facts and issues. And you say...?

419 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #415 Honorary Yooper

The game has less to do with disgareement than with owning one's own comments.

I disagree with plenty here. Check out a number of the threads on that if you wish.

I've repeated 10000x times that I am for 100% free speech. I'm tired of repeating it. I never said otherwise.

420 Omachka  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:16am

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

So, by that logic we would need one black person representing all the blacks, one white person representing all the whites, one hispanic, one American Indian and so forth? A bit divisive, isn't it? Naaa, I think it works better the way it is. It really has nothing to do with race. I'm really getting tired of hearing that someone could be labeled racist no matter how they vote. It isn't racist to vote, it's patriotic to vote.

421 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:47:33am
422 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:48:37am

re: #417 Edgar

I've read this thread, and I agree with OR, Dianna and others. You are trying to justify identity politics. If you don't see how you've done this then you should either go back and read what you wrote or STFU.

But I think you have a different M.O. than that.

423 ab_irato  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:48:55am

ACORNS never fall far from the tree.

424 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:02am

Is that ad homina homina hominah? Shades of Ralph Kramden.
These slanging sessions with trolls are getting tiresome. No I correct myself, they were always tiresome. Wish I had an Ignore button.

425 pbird  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:06am

re: #143 Excaliber

Enjoy your excoriation.

426 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:11am

re: #404 Edgar

You seem to like to attack the women here with ad homs.

427 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:15am

re: #407 rightymouse

Hiya, Righty! Nice to see ya.

This one sounds like so many others that have hunkered down and crapped on these threads. It's almost as if it's the same personae, each and every time. The left is like that - there is no deviation from the party line. None.

428 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:34am

re: #422 Sharmuta

I've read this thread, and I agree with OR, Dianna and others. You are trying to justify identity politics. If you don't see how you've done this then you should either go back and read what you wrote or STFU.

But I think you have a different M.O. than that.

Sharmuta, can you write a single post without ad hominems?

429 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:49:51am

re: #418 doppelganglander

You agreed with me, then didn't respond to my follow-up. I'll keep it short this time: Black voters vote along racial lines based on lies being fed to them by their own leadership, despite the fact that no benefits accrue to the average black voter. You seem to be okay with that state of affairs. I say black voters would be better served by ignoring race and becoming informed on the real facts and issues. And you say...?

I think black voters actually vote/think along black liberal or socialist lines as in, when can I get my $1,000 from Obama. Otherwise Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice would be heros in the hood.

430 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:50:06am

re: #7 Hard Right

Like I said,

Jim Jones was a "community organizer"

Isn't that a co-incidence!

So was David Koresh.

431 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:50:16am

re: #426 MandyManners

You seem to like to attack the women here with ad homs.

Very astute observation! Racist and a sexist?

432 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:50:22am

re: #426 MandyManners

You seem to like to attack the women here with ad homs.

Well, here's the deal. It has nothing to do with gender. People who insult me can expect the same in return.

433 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #366 Dianna

Edgar doesn't like me. He likes to indulge in ad hominem attacks, and, when the attacked party responds in kind (note that I didn't), he cries that he's the victim of ad hominems.

It's fun, but it's rather easy to short-circuit.

I knew you weren't taking him very seriously, but he really pissed me off.

434 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:50:48am

re: #348 midwestgak

testing - forgive me.
How McCain Wins
Your text to link.

Thanks for the link!

435 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:07am

re: #431 Sharmuta

Very astute observation! Racist and a sexist?

Ok, Sharmuta, find my "racist" comments.

436 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:10am

Yesterday our house was canvassed by a Barack supporter. I wasn't home, darn it. Mr. w watched a woman drive up, park her car, and walk up our driveway. When he answered the door, she said, "Hi! I'm walking through your neighborhood..."

Mr. w interrupted, "No, you're not. I saw you drive up and park."

She said, "Well, I'm starting here."

He asked, "Who are you representing?"

She said, with her hand to her heart, "Personally, I'm supporting Barack."

He said, "Goodbye."

She walked back to her car and drove away, apparently too demoralized to walk to the other 11 houses on our street.

That's how to deal with trolls.

437 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:14am

re: #377 Edgar

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?


Nobody has ever said you have to agree with posters here..
Maybe you come off alittle strong in your opinions and you aren't really interested in the give and take of the discussion..

438 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:16am

re: #422 Sharmuta

I've read this thread, and I agree with OR, Dianna and others. You are trying to justify identity politics. If you don't see how you've done this then you should either go back and read what you wrote or STFU.

But I think you have a different M.O. than that.

Edgar obviously has no real contact with the inner city. Blacks vote blacks. Irish vote for Irish, Italian vote for Italians, Hispanics vote for hispanics. It is identity politics to the core. This inner city he speaks of is a place he has never seen.

439 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:29am
440 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:30am

re: #428 Edgar

Sharmuta, can you write a single post without ad hominems?

/You keep using that word. I don not think it means what you think it means.

441 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:51:36am

re: #411 loppyd

So I should elect white people because they better understand my needs? That is total bullshit.

I call BS too, being a veteran of Somalia, I will say there is a whole continent to go back to. Not one will because the quality of life and opportunities here are the best in the world and two Democrats need the minorities poor for the vote, that is their platform, one of entitlement.

442 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:52:06am

Sharmuta I reported your comment about me being "racist", btw.

443 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:52:33am

re: #323 Edgar

Well, what about all the people who keep referring to Obama as "Hussein"?

Are they racist as well?

Yesterday, I made this comment about his middle name:

It started when it was made clear that no one was allowed to speak Obama's middle name.

Barack Hussien Obama

They pushed and got that on. They pushed some more when his religion was not to be questioned. They pushed some more when they said it was unfair to question his ties to Ayers. They pushed and it was not allowed to say anything about him connecting him to NOI or Rezko. They push in small little steps.

That is the Alinsky way. That is how it all starts. Anyone who thinks that an overhaul of democracy comes all at once is fooling themselves.

It all started with his middle name HUSSIEN.

***

So, now we are not allowed to talk about his representing ACORN as their attorney or as their instructor. Where is it going to stop?

444 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:52:36am

re: #429 kansas

I think black voters actually vote/think along black liberal or socialist lines as in, when can I get my $1,000 from Obama. Otherwise Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice would be heros in the hood.

Neither Thomas or Rice ran for an election, but my bet is in the hood they'd win their respective racial votes ...

445 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:02am

re: #431 Sharmuta

Very astute observation! Racist and a sexist?

Wonder what it REALLY thinks of Gov. Palin.

446 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:08am

re: #442 Edgar

Sharmuta I reported your comment about me being "racist", btw.

I'll hold my breath and see if it gets deleted.
/

447 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:10am

re: #438 Celtic Templar

Edgar obviously has no real contact with the inner city. Blacks vote blacks. Irish vote for Irish, Italian vote for Italians, Hispanics vote for hispanics. It is identity politics to the core. This inner city he speaks of is a place he has never seen.

It's Diddy's America, yo. I mean- are there even crack heads in Alaska?

448 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:14am
449 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:23am

OT Not that the lizards here need this ammo, but it doesn't hurt to have as much of it as you can aim at the lies.


Sarah the Slasher

450 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:27am

re: #442 Edgar

Sharmuta I reported your comment about me being "racist", btw.

Thanks!

451 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:53:45am

Speaking of people who say one thing and then some time later, state the opposite as if they never said the first thing:

That was then:

Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. - Obama, 2003

This is now:

And so John likes -- John, you like to pretend like the war started in 2007. You talk about the surge. The war started in 2003, and at the time when the war started, you said it was going to be quick and easy. You said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong. - Obama, Sept. 27, 2008

452 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #432 Edgar

Well, here's the deal. It has nothing to do with gender. People who insult me can expect the same in return.

Just tell me where you implicitly called a man a druggie in this thread?

BTW, *you* called me out today, not the other way around.

453 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:15am

re: #442 Edgar

Sharmuta I reported your comment about me being "racist", btw.

Better watch it Sharmuta. LOL

454 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:23am

re: #443 JacksonTn

Yesterday, I made this comment about his middle name:

It started when it was made clear that no one was allowed to speak Obama's middle name.

I keep saying because no one can tell me not to. Barack Hussein Obama - think what you will, but don't dare think you're silencing me. I could care less what Hussein stands for you to you. Truth Squads be damned.

455 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:43am

re: #429 kansas

I think black voters actually vote/think along black liberal or socialist lines as in, when can I get my $1,000 from Obama. Otherwise Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice would be heroes in the hood.

Apparently many if not most of them do. It's the natural outgrowth of believing that the whole world is a conspiracy against you, I suppose. You tend to want to flip the system so the conspiracy benefits you.

456 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:45am

Charles,

I think you can determine for yourself in a couple minutes if anyone made "racist" comments.

The slander is pretty clear to anyone, though.

457 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:52am

re: #449 midwestgak

OT Not that the lizards here need this ammo, but it doesn't hurt to have as much of it as you can aim at the lies.


Sarah the Slasher

URL did not come through.

458 ErnieG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:54:59am

re: #444 Celtic Templar

Neither Thomas or Rice ran for an election, but my bet is in the hood they'd win their respective racial votes ...

I don't know about that. There is a good chance that they would be pilloried as being "Uncle Toms" or "inauthentic."

459 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:55:03am

re: #377 Edgar

Yes, until I agree with other posters here I cannot win, right?

No, it's not that you disagree.

It's that you're not honest. You pretend you didn't say things you did; you ignore the easily seen implications of your statements; you carp and complain and insult.

State a position. Support it. Be polite. You will be respected.

Or maybe you think I agree with everyone here? I've been arguing an anti-populist position on the bail out for almost a week. A lot of people here disagree with me, and I'm willing to bet that a bunch of them are actively angry. But we're still discussing it, and we're not flaming each other.

But so far, you haven't gotten there.

460 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:55:11am

re: #427 Cartman

Hiya, Righty! Nice to see ya.

This one sounds like so many others that have hunkered down and crapped on these threads. It's almost as if it's the same personae, each and every time. The left is like that - there is no deviation from the party line. None.

This one has been crapping on threads with its willfully obtuse commentary as of late. Should probably change its nic to "Disartful Dodger".

BTW - did you see that AWFUL visual oped in the Plain Dealer yesterday done by Andrea Levy? Hubby says that he heard on the radio that there have been record subscription cancellations as a result. You think they would have learned due to the responses to Connie Schultz's meltdowns.

461 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:55:18am

re: #456 Edgar

If this one lasts through the end of the day, I say it goes on permanent GAZE.

462 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:55:21am
463 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:55:41am

re: #404 Edgar

Can people quit with the ad homimems?

Please.

You first, dearie!

464 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:55:46am

Report this one too, Edgar.

Charles- I think Mandy had a point- he might be sexist too. Hope you and the monitors aren't too busy today.

465 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:56:06am

re: #442 Edgar

Sharmuta I reported your comment about me being "racist", btw.

Did you report yourself for being stupid as well?

466 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:56:12am

re: #459 Dianna

No, it's not that you disagree.

It's that you're not honest. You pretend you didn't say things you did; you ignore the easily seen implications of your statements; you carp and complain and insult.

State a position. Support it. Be polite. You will be respected.

Or maybe you think I agree with everyone here? I've been arguing an anti-populist position on the bail out for almost a week. A lot of people here disagree with me, and I'm willing to bet that a bunch of them are actively angry. But we're still discussing it, and we're not flaming each other.

But so far, you haven't gotten there.

Fine. I DO NOT THINK IT'S RIGHT TO VOTE BASED SOLELY ON RACE.

However, I can understand why people do it.

467 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:56:56am

CHARLES - others have suggested it, in a sorta moderate way, but I've got to tell you that letting Excaliber post here - with all of his Kos, DU language and insinuations, hurts LGF. The cherry pickers won't have to work hard at all in attacking LGF as long as he is allowed to post here or if his more offensive comments aren't deleted (well, so far today at least, that's all of them).
I'm all in favor of freedom of speech, but just like some other banned posters (some of whom started blogs JUST TO BASH LGF) he is dangerous to LGF.
Edgar isn't, he's just not much for the proper use of the English language.
I've reported and dinged down Excaliber but since you probably have had a lot of reports today, thought maybe I should post this directly to you.
Thank you for your consideration.

468 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:57:02am

re: #458 ErnieG

I don't know about that. There is a good chance that they would be pilloried as being "Uncle Toms" or "inauthentic."


I like the "Not Black Enough" line myself...I mean WTF?

469 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #464 Sharmuta

Report this one too, Edgar.

Charles- I think Mandy had a point- he might be sexist too. Hope you and the monitors aren't too busy today.

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

470 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:57:16am

re: #458 ErnieG

I don't know about that. There is a good chance that they would be pilloried as being "Uncle Toms" or "inauthentic."

Maybe, Lynn Swann had some trouble against Rendell in PA, but Fast Eddie has a machine that is scary.

471 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:15am

re: #456 Edgar

Charles,

I think you can determine for yourself in a couple minutes if anyone made "racist" comments.

The slander is pretty clear to anyone, though.

Man, you suck - crying Sharmuta is a Racist on the LFG forum. You are kidding, no? Well, you are now on my ignore list. That's lame.

472 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:32am
473 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:33am

re: #369 Edgar

I'm not responding to these comments anymore. Re-read the old thread.

Oh, I know what was in the old thread. After the thread was dead some of your buddies who rarely post here came in to defend you and slammed me for questioning why they came out of the woodwork now. I know what you wrote. I feel like there are some sleepers here who are now coming out to just pull Alinsky tactics even here.

474 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:35am

Hey pbird , how long did it take you to look that word up . oh wait , I'm sure you use it everyday huh ?

You look reeeal intelligent pbird . I'm sooo impressed NOT .

475 neocon hippie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:39am

Speaking of identity politics, there is a thoroughly execrable post on GoV, which I will not link to, entitled Andrew Bostom: "Confronting a mendacious bully."

476 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #471 Celtic Templar

Man, you suck - crying Sharmuta is a Racist on the LFG forum. You are kidding, no? Well, you are now on my ignore list. That's lame.

No, Sharmuta cried that i was a racist, without evidence of course.

477 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:58:46am

re: #456 Edgar


The slander is pretty clear to anyone, though.

Only in your mind, Edgar. Only in your mind.

478 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:59:07am

re: #467 realwest

CHARLES - others have suggested it, in a sorta moderate way, but I've got to tell you that letting Excaliber post here - with all of his Kos, DU language and insinuations, hurts LGF. The cherry pickers won't have to work hard at all in attacking LGF as long as he is allowed to post here or if his more offensive comments aren't deleted (well, so far today at least, that's all of them).
I'm all in favor of freedom of speech, but just like some other banned posters (some of whom started blogs JUST TO BASH LGF) he is dangerous to LGF.
Edgar isn't, he's just not much for the proper use of the English language.
I've reported and dinged down Excaliber but since you probably have had a lot of reports today, thought maybe I should post this directly to you.
Thank you for your consideration.

ding...ding

479 West Coast Freedom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:59:08am

Did you read James Simpson's article on Cloward-Piven Strategy?

480 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:59:18am

re: #477 Cartman

Only in your mind, Edgar. Only in your mind.

So I'm imagining that Sharmuta called me "racist."

481 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 9:59:19am

re: #470 Celtic Templar

Maybe, Lynn Swann had some trouble against Rendell in PA, but Fast Eddie has a machine that is scary.

Rendall what a worthless gas bag, glad his I-80 plan was shot down.

482 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:00:00am

re: #474 Excaliber

Hey pbird , how long did it take you to look that word up . oh wait , I'm sure you use it everyday huh ?

You look reeeal intelligent pbird . I'm sooo impressed NOT .

Yay! A 4 sentence post! Yay! How is things in bizzaro world Excaliber? Got enough trolling done for the day? Or can we expect more nuggets of troll-goodness from you?

483 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:00:23am

re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence.

484 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:00:32am

re: #480 Edgar

So I'm imagining that Sharmuta called me "racist."


Just say "I hate every equally" and call it a day...

485 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:01:21am

re: #483 MandyManners

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence.

I've reported this comment, too.

486 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:01:45am

re: #476 Edgar

No, Sharmuta cried that i was a racist, without evidence of course.

You are a racist.

487 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:01:46am

re: #474 Excaliber

You are barely semi-literate. It's not coming across well, at all.

488 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:01:55am

re: #356 Edgar

You, sir, need to go and find (and above all, read!) a book about how to behave in civil society.
You are an impolite sqit who abuses hospitality, while crying like a child that someone 'did it first'.
You have not bothered to find out about how Lizards interact - a very grave mistake.
Educate yourself and learn how to behave.

Until that time, GAZE

489 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:01:55am

re: #472 taxfreekiller
Hey TFK - I understand what you're saying and I agree that he's gone way over the line in implying that Dianna is a crack addict and some other things he's said, but he hasn't really done anything more than flash his ignorance to the crowd, ya know?
I do think Excaliber is the closest to the wire.

490 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:01:56am

re: #457 jorline

URL did not come through.

Ya, I saw that.

Sarah the Slasher

491 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:02:09am

re: #129 Edgar

It's different for minorities who have less representation in government.

re: #152 Edgar

Well if you live in a completely black community, it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too).

Ethnic minorities in other countries do this too. I wouldn't call it racist.

re: #183 Edgar

Ok, what would you do, if you were, say, a resident of Russia with the right to vote? Would you vote for a Western-educated, pro-American candidate or a Russian nationalist?

re: #199 Edgar

I think many black people in America see racism permeating the entire "white" establishment. If they vote for Obama solely because it's black, it's more paranoia than racial hatred, I'd say.

re: #219 Edgar

It's not just skin color. There is a different culture, different neighborhoods, and different mentality in some cases.

re: #250 Edgar

Look, there's no disagreement on those kinds of issues. My point was that I don't think you can call black people "racist" for voting Obama.

re: #256 Edgar

Yes, and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites. So whether it's right or wrong, it's at least somewhat logical to vote for a black person who has worked in poor areas.

Yeah- I have no evidence.

492 MichaelAsher  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:02:20am
493 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:02:35am

re: #485 Edgar

I've reported this comment, too.

Why? I did't accuse you of being a pedophile. I merely substituted one word in your post to Sharmuta.

494 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:02:49am

re: #428 Edgar

Sharmuta, can you write a single post without ad hominems?

There is not one ad hominem in the quoted comment.

495 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:03:00am

re: #491 Sharmuta

Yeah- I have no evidence.

Uh, how is a bunch of comments saying I don't think black people are racist a racist statement in itself?

496 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #448 buzzsawmonkey

If you believe that blacks are entitled to make purely race-based judgments and whites are not, you are racist.

So feel free to report this. I, too, am Spartacus.

Ok Ok I'll be Spartacus too..
Can't we just once all be Shaq?

497 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:03:05am

Can some people just take their ball home.

498 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:03:23am

re: #493 MandyManners

Why? I did't accuse you of being a pedophile. I merely substituted one word in your post to Sharmuta.

Obviously you were trying to get around the rules.

499 ErnieG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:03:58am

re: #484 CommonSense

Just say "I hate every equally" and call it a day...

“Is there anybody here I haven‘t insulted yet?” - - Mort Sahl

500 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:04:03am

re: #485 Edgar

I've reported this comment, too.

I think you should call 911 as well. You moron. Now go report me.

501 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:04:20am

re: #495 Edgar

Uh, how is a bunch of comments saying I don't think black people are racist a racist statement in itself?

No. 152. You said it is logical for a black person to vote on skin color.

502 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:04:34am

re: #433 doppelganglander

I knew you weren't taking him very seriously, but he really pissed me off.

Actually, given my temper, I'm making a very great effort, here.

I think I actually shocked you, back when you were fairly new, when I lost my temper with AI.

503 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:04:42am

OT

Hey Lizards...I have received 16 call at the restaurant and 5 on my cell phone since 8am this morning concerning my credit card processing. All want to loan me money...up to 100K for my credit card business.

I may get one call a day...but today the phones are ringing non-stop.

This will be the next group that the government will have to bail out!

504 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:04:51am

re: #474 Excaliber

Hey pbird , how long did it take you to look that word up . oh wait , I'm sure you use it everyday huh ?

You look reeeal intelligent pbird . I'm sooo impressed NOT .

Shit, Dude. You must be a Rhodes Scholar yerself.

505 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:10am

re: #495 Edgar

Uh, how is a bunch of comments saying I don't think black people are racist a racist statement in itself?

Because it has no basis in reality. You have conjured a defense of racist behavior out of thin air, defending racists. Sharmuta's quotes chronicle this. You offer no substantive proof, but claim that because whites don't understand the "inner city", we can not claim that black voting trends are not racist. That is racist, and in my opinion, you are a racist.

506 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:23am

Well, it's been fun, but I have a (routine) doctor's appointment to go to. Play nice and leave some gamy buttocks for me.

507 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:24am

So how about those Jets!

508 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:33am

It's great sport to see a drive-by poster unravel before your very eyes.

509 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:36am

re: #501 MandyManners

I liked this one:

and I'd wager that there are quite a few more black people who understand the problems of the inner city than whites.

Because there are no crack heads in Alaska.

510 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #498 Edgar

Obviously you were trying to get around the rules.

Well, send in the fucking waaahmmmbulance.

511 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:43am

re: #503 jorline

OT

Hey Lizards...I have received 16 call at the restaurant and 5 on my cell phone since 8am this morning concerning my credit card processing. All want to loan me money...up to 100K for my credit card business.

I may get one call a day...but today the phones are ringing non-stop.

This will be the next group that the government will have to bail out!

Make that 17 calls to the restaurant...just hung up on another one.

512 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:05:44am
513 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:06:06am

re: #485 Edgar

I've reported this comment, too.

Both of you cool it! Edgar your nasty comments are unpleasant to read and unnecessarily mocking. Mandy, #483 was a vicious thing to say. I know that you don't suffer fools gladly, but that was over the line.

514 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #501 MandyManners

No. 152. You said it is logical for a black person to vote on skin color.

I said "it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too)."

How is that racist?

It's certainly not as bad as calling someone a pedophile.

515 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:06:16am

re: #502 Dianna

(((Dianna)))

516 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:06:16am

re: #475 neocon hippie
Well, I don't remember the thread, but Charles did say he was receiving hate e-mail from Bostom although he didn't reveal the contents of those e-mails.
I wouldn't go to the GoV anymore than I'd go to Pamela's place, but I'd wager he's posted or at least talked about taking on Charles and at least played the game Evariste once played; not publishing what Charles said word for word, but publishing what Bostom interpreted what Charles said.

517 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:06:58am

re: #509 Sharmuta

I liked this one:


Because there are no crack heads in Alaska.


Can I say it's too cold...or would that be racist?

518 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:07:01am

For the record, Many wrote:

"You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."

519 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:07:10am
520 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:07:14am

I'm not black- so I can't possibly understand the problems of the inner city.

That's Diddy-think, and it's racist. It's also stupid.

521 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #509 Sharmuta

I liked this one:


Because there are no crack heads in Alaska.

How's yer piddy hanging?!

522 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:07:30am

re: #518 Edgar

For the record, Many wrote:

"You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."

Mandy, I mean.

523 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:07:49am

re: #520 Sharmuta

I'm not black- so I can't possibly understand the problems of the inner city.

That's Diddy-think, and it's racist. It's also stupid.

Bingo! The idea that the "inner city" belongs to a race, is racist.

524 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #523 Celtic Templar

Bingo! The idea that the "inner city" belongs to a race, is racist.

It's not a compliment either.

525 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:09:18am

re: #478 jorline
Uh, maybe YOU should report my comment; I've already reported too much for Charles to take much notice, I'm afraid! LOL!

526 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:09:19am

re: #514 Edgar

I said "it probably makes sense to elect someone who understands your needs (i.e. usually someone who is black, too)."

How is that racist?

It's certainly not as bad as calling someone a pedophile.

Saying only a black person can understand a black voter's needs IS RACIST.

I DID NOT CALL YOU A PEDOPHILE!

527 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:00am

re: #516 realwest

Well, I don't remember the thread, but Charles did say he was receiving hate e-mail from Bostom although he didn't reveal the contents of those e-mails.
I wouldn't go to the GoV anymore than I'd go to Pamela's place, but I'd wager he's posted or at least talked about taking on Charles and at least played the game Evariste once played; not publishing what Charles said word for word, but publishing what Bostom interpreted what Charles said.

It was Saturday.

528 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:13am

gosh, did you lizard people run edgar away already?

529 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:23am

re: #525 realwest

Uh, maybe YOU should report my comment; I've already reported too much for Charles to take much notice, I'm afraid! LOL!

I've been reporting as well...you're fine RW.

530 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:25am

re: #526 MandyManners

Saying only a black person can understand a black voter's needs IS RACIST.

I DID NOT CALL YOU A PEDOPHILE!

I'm sorry, you only implied that i was a pedophile.

here's the quote again:

""You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."

531 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:32am

re: #524 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's not a compliment either.

And I would theorize that it is a direct result of racial politics in Philadelphia.

532 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:43am
533 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:10:53am

re: #518 Edgar

For the record, Many wrote:

"You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."

As you love telling people, READ WHAT I WROTE.

534 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:11:00am
535 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:11:12am

re: #530 Edgar

I'm sorry, you only implied that i was a pedophile.

here's the quote again:

""You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."


This is retarded.

536 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:11:28am

re: #522 Edgar

Ok, Edgar you've said it and reported it, now drop it. If you're looking for sympathy, you won't find it. You've been fairly mean on this thread and Mandy was well within her purview to whack you with her clue bat. Her comment was over the line, in my opinion, but you are the instigator of the trouble.

537 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:11:46am

re: #526 MandyManners

Saying only a black person can understand a black voter's needs IS RACIST.

I DID NOT CALL YOU A PEDOPHILE!


reading his posts i'd say a pedohile would be a step up, ummm?

538 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:12:05am

Man, is it too early to make some popcorn?

539 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:12:11am

re: #530 Edgar

I'm sorry, you only implied that i was a pedophile.

here's the quote again:

""You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."

So, do you concede that you implied Sharmuta is a racist?

540 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:12:12am

re: #519 buzzsawmonkey

with a Master's in Sidewalk Studies

How insensitive! Randi's injuries were sustained in an assault by gang of right-wing thugs, everyone knows that. She even got their names: Tom Collins, Johnnie Walker, Jack Daniels...

541 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:12:14am

re: #536 Dark_Falcon

Ok, Edgar you've said it and reported it, now drop it. If you're looking for sympathy, you won't find it. You've been fairly mean on this thread and Mandy was well within her purview to whack you with her clue bat. Her comment was over the line, in my opinion, but you are the instigator of the trouble.

Fine, I'm done with this. But no more of this "you're a pedophile" crap.

It's more than over the line.

542 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:13:01am

re: #534 buzzsawmonkey

...uhhh, Mandy? Can you call me a cab?

*WHISTLE*

543 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:13:14am

re: #530 Edgar

So does that mean, then, that you implied Sharmuta is a racist?

re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

544 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:13:29am

Hey guys.. I don't post here very much, but this thread is pretty ridiculous. I can see a lot of people aren't happy with the way the 'black community' is voting here. I don't think in the history of democratic elections has an identifable group had a 97% concensus on who they're voting for before now. It does beg the question of why would this be? It does appear to be identity politics, and like Edgar, I can understand why the black community would be voting this way, in no way shape or form do I agree with this position.

Why I decided to post here is because I've noticed on a number of occasions if someone has a dissenting view point (like Edgar here) the 'regulars' descend into serious ad hominems like 'racist', 'sexist', 'chauvenist', or 'anti-seimetic,' to get the dissenter banned. If you want a LGF population that is ideologically homogeneous then continue what you're doing guys. It might be great to post here under those conditions, but by no means will you be challanging yourselves to better yourselves intellectually.

545 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:13:30am

re: #540 Occasional Reader

How insensitive! Randi's injuries were sustained in an assault by gang of right-wing thugs, everyone knows that. She even got their names: Tom Collins, Johnnie Walker, Jack Daniels...

LMAO!

546 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:13:41am

re: #502 Dianna
Hey {Dianna}! Well heck, what did you expect to do or say, given who you were (not) dealing with. I think you've done an admirable job for a long time here.
Having someone insuate that you are a crack addict is more than I could take!

547 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #543 Fat Jolly Penguin

So does that mean, then, that you implied Sharmuta is a racist?

re: #469 Edgar

Looks like Edgar's argument backfired.

Well, Edgar, you might be befuddled, I think we can accuse you of it on a public forum now.

548 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:03am

re: #466 Edgar

Fine. I DO NOT THINK IT'S RIGHT TO VOTE BASED SOLELY ON RACE.

However, I can understand why people do it.

You finally clarified a position! Hallelujah!

Frankly, I have never understood why people vote on a single, not-terribly-relevant characteristic. My least favored congress-critter ever was very similar to me in background. His views, however, were extremely repugnant.

More and more, it seems that we have failed to educate our people, if anyone does not see that skin color matters not at all.

549 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:04am

re: #523 Celtic Templar

Bingo! The idea that the "inner city" belongs to a race, is racist.

This is also how identity politics is exploited. Edgar's trying to justify the exploitation of the inner city, imo. But what do I know? I'm not black, therefore I can't possibly understand.

550 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:17am

John "Crap Sandwich" Boehner is speaking on C-SPAN right now.

551 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:22am

re: #530 Edgar

It's obvious you don't understand contextual structure. You plucked a single word out of that statement, completely ignoring the remainder of the content that formed the context. I'd quit whilst I was way behind, if I were you.

552 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:27am

re: #530 Edgar

I'm sorry, you only implied that i was a pedophile.

here's the quote again:

""You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."


does that help alittle Ed?

553 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:14:38am

re: #530 Edgar

I'm sorry, you only implied that i was a pedophile.

here's the quote again:

""You might be a pedophile MORON and I might accuse you of it on a public forum with evidence."

554 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:15:23am
555 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:16:11am

re: #551 Cartman

It's obvious you don't understand contextual structure. You plucked a single word out of that statement, completely ignoring the remainder of the content that formed the context. I'd quit whilst I was way behind, if I were you.


Just like the MSM.

556 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:16:44am

re: #442 Edgar

ROFLMAO!

You poor thing, Edgar! You come in here yesterday and stake out a position on the Obama supporters in Missouri and their attempt at squelching free speech by saying that it wasn't anything near Hitler-esque, as some had compared it to. You continued throughout the day to duck and weave when historical facts were presented to you, that silencing dissent was the first step in the rise of fascism, but you kept disavowing you'd said what you said.

And now today you make a statement that in essence says that blacks are allowed to vote for a black candidate solely because he/she is black, because white candidates from rural areas don't understand them - and that is not being racist? It is the very definition of racism!

You stake out a racist position and when Sharmuta calls you on it, you run tattling to Charles?

You should go somewhere else more accepting of your style, Edgar, as well as your opinions. You make a statement and when that statement is called in question, you deny you ever said what you said, and pull up a straw man. You'de probably be more comfortable at Huffington Post.

557 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:17:07am

re: #554 buzzsawmonkey

Did you just call me an ideological homo genius? Homophobe!

/Edgar off

Well done buzzsawmonkey, as always! Word games are fun.

not sarc.

558 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:17:33am

re: #511 jorline
Hey c'mon my friend - weren't you just a little bit tempted? I mean if the credit card is in the restaurants name and you're not personally liable, I'd a been tempted to take all that cash and invest it in the stock market!
Uh, well, no - wait that didn't come out right! But you know what I mean! LOL!

Listen my friend, at least you have a (I hope) thriving business so it makes some sense for the CC companies to come to you.
I'm barely getting by on SSDI and I get soliticiations for credit cards AT LEAST three times a month! LOL!

559 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:17:45am

re: #549 Sharmuta

This is also how identity politics is exploited. Edgar's trying to justify the exploitation of the inner city, imo. But what do I know? I'm not black, therefore I can't possibly understand.


Me neither, being a cracker and all I ain't got no clue ya'll.

560 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:17:51am

re: #556 Intrepid

you run tattling to Charles?

And what would you do if someone called you a pedophile on a blog?

561 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:18:19am

re: #491 Sharmuta

I don't see those comments as racist. I think they are wrong headed, but not racist.

562 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:18:29am

re: #538 rightymouse

Man, is it too early to make some popcorn?

I was just thinking the same thing - what a way to start a Monday morning...

563 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:18:54am
564 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:18:54am

re: #560 Edgar

And what would you do if someone called you a pedophile on a blog?


OMG!

565 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:19:10am

re: #561 BigJohn

I don't see those comments as racist. I think they are wrong headed, but not racist.

Thank you. Once again I am pleased to have someone disagree--rather than call me racist, or like MandyManners has, a pedophile.

Seriously.

566 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:19:23am

re: #560 Edgar

And what would you do if someone called you a pedophile on a blog?

Who called you that? Where?

BTW, are you gonna' answer Nos. 539 and 543?

567 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:19:37am

re: #561 BigJohn

You don't think it's racist to say white people can't understand the problems of an inner city black neighborhood?

568 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:19:38am

re: #548 Dianna

You finally clarified a position!

At least, until his next "clarification".

569 CommonSense  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:19:47am

How about NObama and ACORN!

570 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:19:58am

re: #565 Edgar

Thank you. Once again I am pleased to have someone disagree--rather than call me racist, or like MandyManners has, a pedophile.

Seriously.

Liar.

571 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:00am

If someone votes on the basis of skin color, they are racist, simple as that. So, some here are saying they understand why someone would be a racist, even if they don't condone it. So if all white people voted for John McCain on the basis of his pigmentation that would also be racist, and would you be inclined to say you understand that too?

572 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:13am

re: #563 buzzsawmonkey

If I were you, I'd wait until someone here actually did that. Nobody has, but you seem to have missed that salient point.

re: #566 MandyManners

Who called you that? Where?

BTW, are you gonna' answer Nos. 539 and 543?

You said I "might be a pedophile."

I've already quote that. It's disgusting and uncalled for. I'd rather be called a racist, quite frankly.

573 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:16am

re: #495 Edgar

Uh, how is a bunch of comments saying I don't think black people are racist a racist statement in itself?

Remember what I said about implications?

Good heavens, Edgar! Look at that collection of statements as if you hadn't written them!

What do you see?

574 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:22am

Just as an example of what I was talking about, I think #483 MandyManners is perfect. The comment quoted there from Edgar was him alluding to being called a racist (and a sexist) in a previous post without evidence. He was not suggesting the person was in fact racist. So for MandyManners to allude that Edgar is a pedophile, even if it's obviously not the case with the information at hand, is really below the belt and totally uncalled for. This is the kind of garbage I was talking about regarding ad hominems being used by the 'regulars' to get dissenters banned.

575 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:48am

re: #544 JohnDakota

It's not the dissenting opinion some of us object to - it's the ignorance displayed by the reader.

576 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:53am

re: #572 Edgar

Are you going to answer #539 and #543?

577 Occasional Reader  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:54am

re: #563 buzzsawmonkey

Nobody has, but you seem to have missed that salient point.

SALIENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

(how dare you call Edgar a cannibal)

578 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:20:57am

re: #567 Sharmuta

You don't think it's racist to say white people can't understand the problems of an inner city black neighborhood?

Nope

579 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:21:04am

re: #541 Edgar

Fine, I'm done with this. But no more of this "you're a pedophile" crap.

It's more than over the line.

Edgar

And what would you do if someone called you a pedophile on a blog?

Edgar, please:
keep your word.

580 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:22:13am

re: #579 jwb7605

Edgar, please:
keep your word.

I'm not insulting anyone. I'd like to have a civilized discussion, if possible.

581 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:22:20am

re: #574 JohnDakota

But it's okay for Edgar to justify identity politics and attack predominately the women on this thread- that wouldn't justify questioning whether he was a racist and sexist?

582 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:22:57am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Just as an example of what I was talking about, I think #483 MandyManners is perfect. The comment quoted there from Edgar was him alluding to being called a racist (and a sexist) in a previous post without evidence. He was not suggesting the person was in fact racist. So for MandyManners to allude that Edgar is a pedophile, even if it's obviously not the case with the information at hand, is really below the belt and totally uncalled for. This is the kind of garbage I was talking about regarding ad hominems being used by the 'regulars' to get dissenters banned.

Charles Johnson does the banning around here, and you best not forget it. The posters cannot get someone banned.

583 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:22:59am

re: #562 Athos

I was just thinking the same thing - what a way to start a Monday morning...

Watching Edgar spin its way out of its own comments and try to turn the tables with self-righteous indignation (I think he's gaming actually) with long-term posters is worthy of extra butter and salt.

584 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:23:04am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Just as an example of what I was talking about, I think #483 MandyManners is perfect. The comment quoted there from Edgar was him alluding to being called a racist (and a sexist) in a previous post without evidence. He was not suggesting the person was in fact racist. So for MandyManners to allude that Edgar is a pedophile, even if it's obviously not the case with the information at hand, is really below the belt and totally uncalled for. This is the kind of garbage I was talking about regarding ad hominems being used by the 'regulars' to get dissenters banned.

You missed Mandy's word play. Edgar said the EXACT same thing, except substitute racist for pedophile. I thought it was appropriate and not an allusion but a counter to Edgar's allusion.

585 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:23:24am
586 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:23:31am

re: #101 Spiny Norman

Dodd and Frank should have been caught and corrected convicted of this problem scam a long time ago.
fixed that

587 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:23:43am

re: #581 Sharmuta

But it's okay for Edgar to justify identity politics and attack predominately the women on this thread- that wouldn't justify questioning whether he was a racist and sexist?

I'm not "attacking women" on this thread. Three people who insulted me happened to be women. I don't really care. And I never justified identity politics.

588 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:23:51am

re: #580 Edgar

I'm not insulting anyone. I'd like to have a civilized discussion, if possible.

That's why you've attacked both Mandy and Dianna? Because you like "civilized" discussions?

589 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #585 buzzsawmonkey

No, she didn't. You are lying--or incapable of understanding simple English. She said that even if you in fact were a pedophile, she would not accuse you of being one without evidence of that fact.

That is a simple explanation of how fact-based discourse works, not an accusation.

She was playing the same word game that Edgar played, and now Edgar is running the board whining.

590 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:24:28am

Compare and Contrast:

Sharmuta
Registered since: Feb 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 29,198
No. of links posted: 573

Edgar
Registered since: Jul 22, 2008 at 5:21 pm
No. of comments posted: 225
No. of links posted: 0

591 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:24:35am

re: #553 unrealizedviewpoint

Hi unreal. Good one. Updinged ya.

592 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #585 buzzsawmonkey

No, she didn't. You are lying--or incapable of understanding simple English. She said that even if you in fact were a pedophile, she would not accuse you of being one without evidence of that fact.

That is a simple explanation of how fact-based discourse works, not an accusation.

Sigh. Using inflammatory terms like "racist" and "pedophile" are meant as insults, not to make some subtle point.

593 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:24:48am

re: #578 BigJohn

Nope

Thanks for your candor. I disagree.

594 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:25:15am

re: #560 Edgar

And what would you do if someone called you a pedophile on a blog?

It wouldn't be too different from someone calling me a name - I would consider the source, perhaps factually and cogently argue the point with the source. If after that, the source failed to respond in kind, I would gaze them and ignore them for being a pinhead.

Of course, you aren't me. I don't see factual or cogent defenses of your positions (which you are entitled to) and see much provocation and whinging from you. So are you so unable to cogently defend and justify your positions that you have to deflect it and focus on the petty?

595 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:25:27am

re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

Bumping this.

596 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:25:41am
597 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:25:42am
598 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:25:47am

re: #590 Intrepid

Compare and Contrast:

Sharmuta
Registered since: Feb 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 29,198
No. of links posted: 573

Edgar
Registered since: Jul 22, 2008 at 5:21 pm
No. of comments posted: 225
No. of links posted: 0

This is irrelevant. Long-time posters have been banned as well. I think Mandy should at least be warned against this sort of slander.

599 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:26:03am

re: #558 realwest

Hey c'mon my friend - weren't you just a little bit tempted? I mean if the credit card is in the restaurants name and you're not personally liable, I'd a been tempted to take all that cash and invest it in the stock market!
Uh, well, no - wait that didn't come out right! But you know what I mean! LOL!

Listen my friend, at least you have a (I hope) thriving business so it makes some sense for the CC companies to come to you.
I'm barely getting by on SSDI and I get soliticiations for credit cards AT LEAST three times a month! LOL!

I'm not a thriving business, but 50% of my sales are credit card driven. These guys are like leaches, they will suck people in and zap them. The CC processing business is alive and well and monitored closely at all. You can imagine the amount of credit money that's floating around the US...could be a big problem in the future.

600 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:26:13am

re: #592 Edgar

Sigh. Using inflammatory terms like "racist" and "pedophile" are meant as insults, not to make some subtle point.

So you were deliberately being insulting?

re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

601 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:26:26am

re: #595 Celtic Templar

Bumping this.

Note that Sharmuta directly called me a racist.

602 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:26:26am

re: #595 Celtic Templar

Bumping this.

What is the difference Edgar?re: #483 MandyManners

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence.

Same difference.

603 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:26:53am

re: #587 Edgar

You can click the link and read for yourself here, folks:

re: #491 Sharmuta

Edgar is a liar.

604 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:26:55am

re: #601 Edgar

Note that Sharmuta directly called me a racist.

So what is the attack on Mandy for?

605 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:27:07am
re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.


re: #595 Celtic Templar

Bumping this.

Thanks! I think that was got this whole sorry thing started.

606 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:27:13am
607 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:27:13am
608 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:27:28am

re: #571 maddogg

If someone votes on the basis of skin color, they are racist, simple as that. So, some here are saying they understand why someone would be a racist, even if they don't condone it. So if all white people voted for John McCain on the basis of his pigmentation that would also be racist, and would you be inclined to say you understand that too?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure about that. I really think white people shouldn't try to get inside black people's heads on this issue. Given the history of this country, many of them may well see Obama's election as a needed affirmation. I don't agree with that view but I'm not going to question it either.

609 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #601 Edgar

Note that Sharmuta directly called me a racist.

Get over it - you're statements support institutional racism. Sorry, take a sociology course.

610 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:27:55am

re: #601 Edgar

Methinks you doth protest too much.

611 venezuela lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:28:04am

Charles, can you link this article?
Obama: The [f]idel They Have Been Waiting For
(from [Link: www.babalublog.com...]
Some Cuban exiles have noticed a similarity in the soaring rhetoric of Barack Obama’s speeches to those of (f)idel (c)astro. Some of Senator Obama’s plans sound eerily similar to the practices of the Cuban revolution. These concerns are discounted as exile paranoia, after all what would we, the victims of (c)astro’s totalitarian oppression, know about such things?

Obama’s ideas, campaign slogans, posters and oratory are like candy-candy coated socialism-to leftists and they eat it up.

Henry Gomez, in his series, “Your my.barackobama.com quote of the day” has showcased just how enthusiastically the left has embraced Obamania on this very blog.

Other reminders of the The Obama – (c)astro connection are the che flag in one of Obama’s campaign offices in Houston and “el compañero (f)idel’s” tacit endorsement of Obama as the “most progressive” candidate.

But it’s not just us intransigent Cuban exiles that see the similarities between Obama and (c)astro. Alice Walker, the American author of “the Color Purple” and ardent Fidel admirer, is jealous of the Cuban people because, she says, they have a leader who loves them and that is what she wants for America in the person of Obama. God help us.

Obama is the [f]idel the left has been waiting for.

In a September 20th op ed. Published in The Guardian, Ms. Walker laments of the burden of living in America without a (f)idel – like leader:

However poor the Cubans might be, I realised, they cared about each other and they had a leader who loved them. A leader who loved them. Imagine. A leader not afraid to be out in the streets with them, a leader not ashamed to show himself as troubled and humbled as they were. A leader who would not leave them to wonder and worry alone, but would stand with them, walk with them, celebrate with them - whatever the parade might be.

She then professes her belief that Senator Obama with his campaign promise of collective change, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” is the one to fill that void for the long suffering American people, as undeserving as we may be:

Perhaps with the certainty that though we are as we are and sorely imperfect, we still deserve someone in leadership who "gets" us, and that this self-defeating habit of accepting our leaders' contempt need not continue. Maybe with the realisation that we, the people, are truly the leaders, and that we are the ones we have been waiting for.

Dr Mario Beira, author of the first psychoanalytic study of Fidel Castro and a friend of the blog, did not find Alice Walkers’ delusions as funny as I did and sent The Guardian a response to try to set the record straight. It’s doubtful that the leftist British paper will publish his scholarly rebuke so I asked for his permission to let me post it here. His analysis is called “The Psychology of the Radical Left. A Response to Alice Walker’s Support Of Fidel Castro and Her Endorsement of Barack Obama.” Here’s a little taste:

Continue reading "Obama: The [f]idel They Have Been Waiting For"
Click here

612 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:28:06am

re: #600 Fat Jolly Penguin

So you were deliberately being insulting? re: #604 Celtic Templar

So what is the attack on Mandy for?

There was no attack on Mandy. She hinted that I might be a child molester, and I got pissed off.

613 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:28:09am

re: #544 JohnDakota

As I pointed out almost 100 comments ago, it's not disagreement that's the problem.

The problem is how one presents and supports one's argument.

Or perhaps you think everyone is on my side every single time?

614 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:28:15am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Read the friggin' comment again, within the context! This is ridiculous. There was absolutely no accusation or implication that the reader was a pedophile. Some people need to bone up on the English language, here.

615 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:28:20am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Just as an example of what I was talking about, I think #483 MandyManners is perfect. The comment quoted there from Edgar was him alluding to being called a racist (and a sexist) in a previous post without evidence. He was not suggesting the person was in fact racist. So for MandyManners to allude that Edgar is a pedophile, even if it's obviously not the case with the information at hand, is really below the belt and totally uncalled for. This is the kind of garbage I was talking about regarding ad hominems being used by the 'regulars' to get dissenters banned.

Concur.

616 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:28:58am

re: #612 Edgar

There was no attack on Mandy. She hinted that I might be a child molester, and I got pissed off.

And you hinted that Sharmuta was a racist? Same difference.

617 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:29:01am

re: #571 maddogg
Sigh

If someone votes on the basis of skin color, they are racist, simple as that. So, some here are saying they understand why someone would be a racist, even if they don't condone it. So if all white people voted for John McCain on the basis of his pigmentation that would also be racist, and would you be inclined to say you understand that too?

there you go, being rational and all.
/

618 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:29:13am

re: #572 Edgar

You said I "might be a pedophile."

I've already quote that. It's disgusting and uncalled for. I'd rather be called a racist, quite frankly.


Hey lizards, what's the saying, "thou dost protest too much." Maybe a nerve got tweeked. Just sayin.

619 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:29:22am

re: #607 ploome hineni

Just toss a glance in that direction... it seems as if Edgar is easily offended and would rather play the victim than cogently debate.

620 swamprat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:29:29am

re: #572 Edgar

Consider it done.

621 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:29:37am

re: #575 Cartman

Ignorance subjective to the looking glass the information is viewed through. This is particularly true when you try to equate individuals to the standard Nazi/Hitler ad hominems (ie. Obama = Hitler or Moussilini).

That said.. it's not particularly suprising that you'd view Edgar as ignorant when you've been trained to see things through a ideologically monotone population.

622 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:29:45am

re: #498 Edgar

Obviously you were trying to get around the rules.

Good Lord, dude - how freakin' old are you, 16?

Actually, it's more along the lines of six year old behavior, what with your being the arbiter of racism and of all things that should or should not be reported.

623 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:30:03am

re: #590 Intrepid

Compare and Contrast:

Edgar
Registered since: Jul 22, 2008 at 5:21 pm
No. of comments posted: 225
No. of links posted: 0

Hey! Just because someone has ~200 posts does not imply lunacy. There's plenty of other evidence to choose from. :)

624 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:30:14am
625 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:30:14am

re: #616 Celtic Templar

And you hinted that Sharmuta was a racist? Same difference.

No. She called me a racist and I pointed out that it was uncalled for to call me a racist without evidence.

MandyManners substituted the word "pedophile" to insult me. There was no point to be made after I had already made it.

626 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:30:37am

Edgar, are you a child?

627 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:31:09am

re: #618 midwestgak

Hey lizards, what's the saying, "thou dost protest too much." Maybe a nerve got tweeked. Just sayin.

No, you miss the point. Mandy played him on his own hand. He implied that Sharmuta was a racist:

re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

Mandy turned it around him, and now he's crying foul. Looks like a play out of a liberal playbook.

Good on Mandy for calling him out:

re: #483 MandyManners

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence.

628 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:31:18am

re: #626 Cattt

Edgar, are you a child?


or just child-like?

629 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:31:31am

re: #583 rightymouse

Watching Edgar spin its way out of its own comments and try to turn the tables with self-righteous indignation (I think he's gaming actually) with long-term posters is worthy of extra butter and salt.

Now righty..extra Salt is bad for you..

630 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:32:10am

re: #574 JohnDakota
JohnDakota - respectfully, I don't understand why you come to LGF at all, if the actions of the "regulars" upset you so much. Really, I don't. Unless it's because you enjoy pointing out the "regulars" horribly uncivil behavior.

631 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:32:12am
632 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:32:33am

re: #614 Cartman

Read the friggin' comment again, within the context! This is ridiculous. There was absolutely no accusation or implication that the reader was a pedophile. Some people need to bone up on the English language, here.

Edgar is gaming us. He perfectly understands the obtuse language he used is the exact same language Mandy used back at him with one word substituted.

633 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:33:10am

re: #627 Celtic Templar

Do you not read properly?

Sharmuta called me a racist.

MandyManners said I "might be a pedophile."

The point of my original comment was to tell Sharmuta to get evidence.

Mandy's point was to call someone a pedophile indirectly and then deny they meant it

634 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:33:12am

re: #625 Edgar

I had your own comments, thus there was no lack of evidence. Just because you don't see them as racists doesn't mean they're not.

635 swamprat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:33:36am

re: #625 Edgar


I'll see that racist, and raise you one "asshole"

636 jwb7605  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:33:42am

This thread makes me ill, and I'm leaving it.
I hope Charles reviews it and makes decisions accordingly.
The above line is targeted primarily at Edgar.

637 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:33:43am

re: #633 Edgar

#491.

638 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:33:47am

re: #629 HoosierHoops

Now righty..extra Salt is bad for you..

How about just a little then? :)

639 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:34:14am

re: #633 Edgar

Do you not read properly?

Sharmuta called me a racist.

MandyManners said I "might be a pedophile."

The point of my original comment was to tell Sharmuta to get evidence.

Mandy's point was to call someone a pedophile indirectly and then deny they meant it

Obviously, I read precisely (sorry but these are what have been posted):

re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

Mandy turned it around him, and now he's crying foul. Looks like a play out of a liberal playbook.

Good on Mandy for calling him out:

re: #483 MandyManners

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence.

640 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:34:15am

re: #581 Sharmuta


Clearly you missed "reading comprehension 101." Edgar never justified why the black community would be so behind Obama in a way that suggests it's right. He just said he can understand it, much like I can. Just because someone can see someone elses point of view doesn't mean they particularly agree with it. This is a perspective I see hugely missing here at LGF.

SO because Edgar can identify WHY the black community would vote based on identity politics doesn't mean he agrees with them or is even remotely racist. ANd just because you're a woman and he disagrees with you doesnt mean he's a sexist. If you disagree with him does that mean you're a bigot too, you know, because he's a member of some identifable group also?

641 HDrepub  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:34:18am

re: #540 Occasional Reader

How insensitive! Randi's injuries were sustained in an assault by gang of right-wing thugs, everyone knows that. She even got their names: Tom Collins, Johnnie Walker, Jack Daniels...

You forgot ol' Jack's cousin, George Dickel. He lives just up the road.

642 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:34:33am

re: #568 Occasional Reader

At least, until his next "clarification".

Yeah, I see he managed to place himself into another untenable position between the time I tried to discuss things with him and now.

Sigh.

He can't see when he's dripping condescension. He can't tell when he's not being called names.

I'm beginning to feel very sorry for Edgar.

643 armytramp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:34:34am

re: #289 Buck

Somehow I don't see this being the same way. However, I do think that everyone liked the idea of helping the poor get housing.

Lets face it, that is the premise for everyones favorite x-mas movie "It's a Wonderful Life". Who really thinks George Bailey was doing the wrong thing helping people afford to buy their own house? Anyone?

Sure now we see that life is not a movie, and that there were going to be people who bought houses they really could not afford. I mean who knew that some people would use the low interest rates and easy credit to buy a second home?

I still have not seen even one story on a real hard luck case... a person who really got screwed, and didn't do this to themselves.

I have been poor most of my life, and for part of my life, I have been making money in the six figure zone. Go me!

In 1989, I was making less than $18,000 a year, and it took me eight months to get a low income home loan. I had perfect credit and almost no debt at all.

What pissed me off, is that a few years after I had had to wait eight months to be told I qualified for a loan (the owner let me rent to own until the loan finally went through three mortgage companies), our condo started doling out units to HUD families.

I am all for helping out the poor, but the end result was that after having to work like a dog, and having to wait months to qualify for my loan, and having to have excellent credit and save three years, people who did not work for or earn the same home I bought, were able to get even better condos than I was able to qualify for after working for it.

And they abused them.

We had multiple robberies, noises, domestic abuse, fighting, urinating in the bushes, and I had my car broken into twice. Two of the families violated the terms of their agreements by allowing people who did not have the right to live with them. This was a good neighborhood until HUD moved in.

As a poor person, I understood perfectly the desire to want a helping hand and to want a chance to have a good place to live. But I had demonstrated that I was willing to work to have the right to live in that place.

The other families not only did not work for what I had worked for, they did not take care of the properties they were given. They completely abused the system and the opportunity.

Eventually, all of the HUD families were evicted for violating Homeowners Association rules, including running illegal daycare operations from their homes, exposing everyone in the condo to severe liabilities if anything happened to the children. The multiple complaints of domestic abuse, robbery, and violations of the rental agreements turned neighbor upon neighbor as people started keeping tabs on each other, writing violations down in notebooks. It made the condo a very uncomfortable place to live.

When the HUD families were evicted, my feelings went from sympathy to contempt. They had blown every single opportunity. They were given nice homes at a lakeside, with a pool and a clubhouse, where the rest of us had had to work for and earn those homes. Perhaps not having to work for and earn what they were simply given gave them a devalued sense of what they had. If people just hand it to you, what's the big deal?

Eventually, without the HUD families, the problems in the neighborhood stopped, and the property values evaporated. When it came time for me to sell, I doubled my investment. Obviously, I sold some years ago.

I will not forget this lesson. As someone who had gotten a low-income loan, I was one of those poor people, too. But I had to work for and earn my home.

The HUD families had to demonstrate nothing except that they were poor and needy. I had to demonstrate that in spite of being poor, I was responsible.

This is the lesson lost on ACORN and the people who think like they do.

644 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:34:41am

re: #632 rightymouse

Exactly. He doesn't or cannot defend his viewpoint or position in a cogent debate - so he derails the debate into parsing the words and trying to play the victim card.

645 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:35:24am
646 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:35:46am

re: #621 JohnDakota

Thanks for the character analysis, John. Can I get off the couch, now? How much do I owe you?

You know nothing about my background or life experiences that shape my views. Stop pretending that you do.

647 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:35:59am

re: #642 Dianna

Yeah, I see he managed to place himself into another untenable position between the time I tried to discuss things with him and now.

Sigh.

He can't see when he's dripping condescension. He can't tell when he's not being called names.

I'm beginning to feel very sorry for Edgar.

Ok, Dianna, what do you think would have happened if I called people racist, then hinted someone was a pedophile?

Probably banned instantly. Mandy gets cut more slack for being around longer, but it still doesn't make what she said any less disgusting.

648 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:09am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Just as an example of what I was talking about, I think #483 MandyManners is perfect. The comment quoted there from Edgar was him alluding to being called a racist (and a sexist) in a previous post without evidence. He was not suggesting the person was in fact racist. So for MandyManners to allude that Edgar is a pedophile, even if it's obviously not the case with the information at hand, is really below the belt and totally uncalled for. This is the kind of garbage I was talking about regarding ad hominems being used by the 'regulars' to get dissenters banned.

Couple of quick ones:
1. Is this your first day on the internet?
2. Is this the only website you have ever gone to?

Ad hominem attacks are the fuel that keeps political blogs moving.

Bonus:
3. Am I a "regular"?

649 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:21am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Just as an example of what I was talking about, I think #483 MandyManners is perfect. The comment quoted there from Edgar was him alluding to being called a racist (and a sexist) in a previous post without evidence. He was not suggesting the person was in fact racist. So for MandyManners to allude that Edgar is a pedophile, even if it's obviously not the case with the information at hand, is really below the belt and totally uncalled for. This is the kind of garbage I was talking about regarding ad hominems being used by the 'regulars' to get dissenters banned.

I'm sorry, but you've just typed a load of nonsense.

650 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:25am

re: #633 Edgar

You poor wittle victim. You make a bunch of comments justifying race based politics and when you get called on it, you whine. You're an 0bamatron. You've done nothing here but defend 0bama & his supporters for two days now.

651 sleepyone  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:37am

re: #485 Edgar

I've reported this comment, too.

Dude, that is rich.

I've been accused of having thin skin on this forum but you take the cake.

652 swamprat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:37am

... "checking to see if I have enough left for a "poltroon" and a "buggerer"...

653 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:38am
654 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:47am

re: #578 BigJohn
Well I must say that I disagree with you on that. To suggest that human beings -especially those of us who live in "mixed" urban environments, can't understand the problems faced by our neighbors because they are of a different race is I would suggest, incorrect.
But I thank you for your honesty and for not attacking anyone personally over it.

655 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:36:47am

re: #626 Cattt

Edgar, are you a child?

He sounds more like a baby

/whawhawhaaa.

656 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:37:02am

re: #441 CommonSense

I call BS too, being a veteran of Somalia, I will say there is a whole continent to go back to. Not one will because the quality of life and opportunities here are the best in the world and two Democrats need the minorities poor for the vote, that is their platform, one of entitlement.

Thank you for your service!

657 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:37:07am

re: #640 JohnDakota

Clearly you missed "reading comprehension 101." Edgar never justified why the black community would be so behind Obama in a way that suggests it's right. He just said he can understand it, much like I can. Just because someone can see someone elses point of view doesn't mean they particularly agree with it. This is a perspective I see hugely missing here at LGF.

SO because Edgar can identify WHY the black community would vote based on identity politics doesn't mean he agrees with them or is even remotely racist. ANd just because you're a woman and he disagrees with you doesnt mean he's a sexist. If you disagree with him does that mean you're a bigot too, you know, because he's a member of some identifable group also?

Except he has no idea what he is talking about, what he is talking about is a form of institutional racism (just reversed, note the whites can't understand the inner city meme) and people are calling him out on it.

I think that is precisely what Sharmuta and others are criticizing.

Reading comprehension 101? Ad homs, good on ya!

658 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:37:47am

re: #580 Edgar

I'm not insulting anyone. I'd like to have a civilized discussion, if possible.

Um...

I'm still feeling pretty insulted.

659 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:38:21am

re: #442 Edgar

Sharmuta I reported your comment about me being "racist", btw.

Wahhh.

660 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:38:56am

re: #587 Edgar

I'm not "attacking women" on this thread. Three people who insulted me happened to be women. I don't really care. And I never justified identity politics.

Show me one post in which you smear a man as being a druggie. Just one.

661 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:39:03am
662 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:39:06am

re: #611 venezuela lover

That's a good article. Have you posted it in the links?

663 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #589 Celtic Templar

She was playing the same word game that Edgar played, and now Edgar is running the board whining.

And, slinging snot everywhere.

664 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:39:45am

the bailout isn't winning yet, several votes down with 3 minutes left

665 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:39:50am

re: #660 MandyManners

Show me one post in which you smear a man as being a druggie. Just one.

Brilliant retort to Edgar, btw. Classic debate form.

666 Gorgon Zola  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:40:19am

logged on just to down ding the ding dong up thread,,

667 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:40:22am

I suspect Edgar, John Dakota and the rest are here not to debate, but to "get in our faces" (as the Obamassiah hath instructed.)

GAZE.

668 rightymouse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:40:34am

re: #644 Athos

Exactly. He doesn't or cannot defend his viewpoint or position in a cogent debate - so he derails the debate into parsing the words and trying to play the victim card.


Isn't the first time I've seen him do this.

669 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:40:36am

re: #587 Edgar

I'm not "attacking women" on this thread. Three people who insulted me happened to be women. I don't really care. And I never justified identity politics.

I must protest. I did not insult you. You insulted me. Without provocation, and egregiously.

670 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:40:38am

re: #660 MandyManners

Show me one post in which you smear a man as being a druggie. Just one.

Show me one thread where you don't use obscenities against people with different views.

671 Crusty  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:40:48am

The community organizers with their "we deserve somethin' for nothin'" attitude were exposed very clearly in Tom Wolfe's book "Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers" almost 40 years ago.

I pound my juju stick on the floor, stare angrily at the bureaucrats with indicting, entitled eyes, they give me money I haven't earned, credit I'm not good for, jobs I'm not qualified to do and I won't care who ultimately picks up the tab for it.

And now, in the middle of the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression, people are actually considering putting a classic mau-mau artist, Obama, in the White House.

672 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:41:03am

re: #643 armytramp

The HUD families had to demonstrate nothing except that they were poor and needy. I had to demonstrate that in spite of being poor, I was responsible.

Excellent post! McCain should read it out loud on the Senate floor.

673 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:41:14am

re: #584 Celtic Templar


What you seem to be missing is the REASON for why the Edgar post existed. He was called a RACIST and a SEXIST directly. His post was in direct reference to that, in fact it QUOTES it. So it's an explanation that he would not call someone racist without evidence, NOT an accusation of racism.

The MandyManners post has no previous quote where she or anyone else was called a pedophile. While it tried to parody Edgars quote it was clearly intended to allude that he's a pedophile (Edgar and Mandy have a history of not liking eachother if you've all forgotten). Her post was in extremely poor taste, served absolutely no function, and was completely different from it's purpose than Edgars. The two posts are not comparable.

674 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:41:19am

re: #647 Edgar

Ok, Dianna, what do you think would have happened if I called people racist, then hinted someone was a pedophile?

Probably banned instantly. Mandy gets cut more slack for being around longer, but it still doesn't make what she said any less disgusting.

No one gets any slack for being around longer, if you have been paying attention for the past few years.

675 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:41:28am

re: #666 Gorgon Zola

logged on just to down ding the ding dong up thread,,

Woh - is that doo-wop?

676 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:00am

It's now Shun the Troll time and on with actual discussion.

677 loppyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:32am

re: #667 TalkinKamel

I suspect Edgar, John Dakota and the rest are here not to debate, but to "get in our faces" (as the Obamassiah hath instructed.)

GAZE.

ACORN tactics.

678 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:38am

re: #664 ratso

the bailout isn't winning yet, several votes down with 3 minutes left

Thanks for the heads up, watching now.

679 ErnieG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:42am

re: #676 kansas

It's now Shun the Troll time and on with actual discussion.

Hear, hear!

680 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:52am

re: #673 JohnDakota

What you seem to be missing is the REASON for why the Edgar post existed. He was called a RACIST and a SEXIST directly. His post was in direct reference to that, in fact it QUOTES it. So it's an explanation that he would not call someone racist without evidence, NOT an accusation of racism.

The MandyManners post has no previous quote where she or anyone else was called a pedophile. While it tried to parody Edgars quote it was clearly intended to allude that he's a pedophile (Edgar and Mandy have a history of not liking eachother if you've all forgotten). Her post was in extremely poor taste, served absolutely no function, and was completely different from it's purpose than Edgars. The two posts are not comparable.

No it didn't. What it did was call him out on calling Sharmuta a racist for calling him a racist. I believe the "inner city" part of Edgar's argument is pure racism - I've heard it all my life, and have been victimized by it many times (as have many in my family).

681 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:55am

re: #640 JohnDakota

Please point out which comment in this thread Edgar said it was wrong for blacks to vote for 0bama simply because he's black. You can't, because he's done nothing but justify it.

682 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:42:57am

Edgar, my question was not rhetorical.

683 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:43:05am

re: #528 ratso

gosh, did you lizard people run edgar away already?

I for one hope so.

684 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:43:09am

re: #598 Edgar

This is irrelevant. Long-time posters have been banned as well. I think Mandy should at least be warned against this sort of slander.

What slander? I NEVER ACCUSED YOU OF BEING A PEDOPHILE.

Oh, and if I came out and said, "You're a pedophile" it would not be slander. It'd be libel.

685 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:43:23am

re: #678 CynicalConservative

Thanks for the heads up, watching now.

Is there a website with a real-time scorecard of whom is voting for/against it?

686 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:43:45am

re: #654 realwest

Well I must say that I disagree with you on that. To suggest that human beings -especially those of us who live in "mixed" urban environments, can't understand the problems faced by our neighbors because they are of a different race is I would suggest, incorrect.
But I thank you for your honesty and for not attacking anyone personally over it.

I am not saying that we can or cannot understand their problems. I do not necessarily agree with Edgar. I just think there is enough room for debate, without it being overtly racist.

687 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:43:49am

re: #671 Crusty

The community organizers with their "we deserve somethin' for
nothin'" attitude were exposed very clearly in Tom Wolfe's book
"Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers" almost 40 years ago.


I pound my juju stick on the floor, stare angrily at the bureaucrats
with indicting, entitled eyes, they give me money I haven't earned,
credit I'm not good for, jobs I'm not qualified to do and I won't care
who ultimately picks up the tab for it.


And now, in the middle of the biggest financial crisis since the
Great Depression, people are actually considering putting a classic
mau-mau artist, Obama, in the White House.

racist!
/

688 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:43:56am

re: #607 ploome hineni

(I must be slipping, I haven't offended Edgar yet)

Get cracking!

689 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:44:04am

Well, I've wasted way too much time here suffering a couple of fools. Later, y'all.

690 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:44:32am

Has anyone asked Edgar if he wants some cheese with his whine?

691 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:44:33am

re: #685 Noam Chumpski

Is there a website with a real-time scorecard of whom is voting for/against it?

I'm just using the CNN (blech) live feed, numbers only, no names.

692 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:44:37am

re: #673 JohnDakota

No- I questioned whether he was a sexist.

693 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:44:39am

Looks like the House will vote it down - 189 yea, 208 nay, 37 not voting - time expired. Dow collapsing - 480.84

694 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:44:44am

re: #658 Dianna

Um...

I'm still feeling pretty insulted.


Call me crazy..but i have never seen the point in calling a beautiful woman that knows that karate shit names.
Just go ahead and get it over with Diana..kick his ass.. :)
I'll watch his friends...
BigSteve meet the big hoops..
/ Ok righty I'll have a little popcorn for this one..
HEH

695 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:04am

re: #518 Edgar

For the record, Many wrote:"You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence."

LOL. That reminds me of when someone here suggested, by way of attempting to illustrate an extreme right-to-life position, that for all I know I might well have been the product of a secret illicit affair on my mother's part or even a rape.
I remember being momentarily offended at what I perceived to be a grossly insensitive remark. But then I realized that the remark was not necessarily made with malice, so I ignored it and forgot about it - until just now.
LGF can be a rough place at times, but that's OK with me.
Anyone who has a thin skin and wants to blog where all the niceties are observed is in the wrong place.

696 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:19am

re: #691 CynicalConservative

I'm just using the CNN (blech) live feed, numbers only, no names.

CNN? Who's that? Never heard of it and I won't search for it.

;)

697 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:25am

re: #686 BigJohn

I am not saying that we can or cannot understand their problems. I do not necessarily agree with Edgar. I just think there is enough room for debate, without it being overtly racist.

It is racist to the core to suggest that "inner city" is a black only paradigm, and that a white person cannot understand. THAT IS RACIST.

698 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:32am

re: #693 Athos

Looks like the House will vote it down - 189 yea, 208 nay, 37 not voting - time expired. Dow collapsing - 480.84

Down 550 now

699 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:35am

re: #670 Edgar

Show me one thread where you don't use obscenities against people with different views.

I've seen many where she doesn't do that, jerk. Drop the issue, all you're getting by pushing it are enemies.

700 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:36am

re: #667 TalkinKamel

Yes.. because anyone with a different point of view that may not fully agree with yours must be from the left.


GRAZE sleeple

701 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:45:49am

re: #618 midwestgak

*whack*

702 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:07am

re: #696 Noam Chumpski

CNN? Who's that? Never heard of it and I won't search for it.

;)

Global Pravda.

703 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:12am

Free fall Dow down 564.78

It's going to be a rough and bumpy ride. Fasten your seat belts and place your tray tables in the upright and locked position.

704 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:18am

re: #696 Noam Chumpski

CNN? Who's that? Never heard of it and I won't search for it.

;)

I know, I feel soiled...

705 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:19am

re: #666 Gorgon Zola

logged on just to down ding the ding dong up thread,,

Rotating Title nomination.

706 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:42am

re: #703 Athos

Free fall Dow down 564.78

It's going to be a rough and bumpy ride. Fasten your seat belts and place your tray tables in the upright and locked position.

-600 now

707 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:48am

THE BILLL FAILED

708 Infidel_One  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:46:51am

I emailed this story to everyone on my American friends and urged them to send it to every obama supporter they know.
How anyone can be fooled into thinking he is the best hope for the U.S. is beyond me.
Thank God for LGF...the voice of reason and intelligence.

Shalom

709 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:47:08am

Hey all y'all - just thought some of you might want to know that as of 3 minutes ago, the "bailout bill" was headed to defeat in the House of Representatives.

710 BigJohn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:47:23am

re: #697 Celtic Templar

It is racist to the core to suggest that "inner city" is a black only paradigm, and that a white person cannot understand. THAT IS RACIST.

It is not black only.

711 ErnieG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:07am

Something must have just happened. Dow dropped 500 points in just a few minutes.

712 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:13am

re: #694 HoosierHoops

Call me crazy..but i have never seen the point in calling a beautiful woman that knows that karate shit names.
Just go ahead and get it over with Diana..kick his ass.. :)
I'll watch his friends...
BigSteve Crap I meant the johndakota charactermeet the big hoops..
/ Ok righty I'll have a little popcorn for this one..
HEH


Sorry bigsteve.. I'm having too much fun typing to fast with a slow brain..

713 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:24am

re: #621 JohnDakota

Ignorance subjective to the looking glass the information is viewed through. This is particularly true when you try to equate individuals to the standard Nazi/Hitler ad hominems (ie. Obama = Hitler or Moussilini).

That said.. it's not particularly suprising that you'd view Edgar as ignorant when you've been trained to see things through a ideologically monotone population.

I think that should be "ideologically monotonal population".

Either way, you're wrong. We're a pretty diverse group. We just don't like assholes.

714 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:28am

i'm buying right now, been waiting for a good goog price

715 Erik The Red  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:38am

OT: Rescue plan looks to have failed DOW down 600 points.

716 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:53am

re: #711 ErnieG

Something must have just happened. Dow dropped 500 points in just a few minutes.

The vote on the bailout failed

717 Dead Man Voting  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:48:57am

Do you think that anyone will notice that Pelosi is simply unable to lead the House to do anything?

Or, should we just expect the MSM to blame "right wing" conservatives for the failure of the House bill?

I'm curious about the Democrats who voted against the bill. The optimist in me would think that these folks also smell a stinker when they see one.

The pessimist suggests that they didn't like the fact that the "free money for the unqualified" portions of the bill couldn't be slammed into the version they just voted on.

718 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:01am

re: #684 MandyManners

What slander? I NEVER ACCUSED YOU OF BEING A PEDOPHILE.

Oh, and if I came out and said, "You're a pedophile" it would not be slander. It'd be libel.

I'm guessing this is the "partial suppression of free speech" Edgar was talking about yesterday.

719 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:05am

re: #707 ratso

THE BILLL FAILED

Now who gets the blame for the failure?

720 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:17am

Great. No bill, Down in a free fall. Say hey to President Barak Obama.

721 midwestgak  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:27am

Going to a new thread.

722 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:40am

re: #560 Edgar

And what would you do if someone called you a pedophile on a blog?

First, I've never seen a post by Sharmuta that has the word pedophile in it.

Second, you constructed a sentence that said (direct quote):

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

Then MandyManners came back with the same sentence construct:

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence

So basically, you're admitting to calling Sharmuta a racist, because of your claim that Mandy called you a pedophile, while she used the same sentence construct you used but substituted a different word.

And yet, you reported Sharmuta for calling you a racist, denying you called her one, all the while crying foul because Mandy (supposedly) called you a pedophile?

You are like a 3 year old who adamantly denies he ate the cookie when there are crumbs all around your mouth, in the pockets of your OshKosh overalls, and in the folds of your chubby little fingers.

Now, report me for calling you fat, you sniveling little troll.

723 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:52am

C-SPAN showing 228 current votes against the bill. This is a majority of the House. I heard something about being able to change your vote though, not sure what that's about.

DJIA down 600

724 realwest  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:53am

re: #711 ErnieG
Yeah the House voted DOWN the bailout bill.

725 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:57am

re: #710 BigJohn

It is not black only.

I know, I lived in the inner city for 20 years - plenty of different races on welfare and in projects. I've been stabbed and shot at for being white going into a black neighborhood to get to work. I understand the inner city. It is racist. Root causes, who knows, but my bet is that the Obama voting trend in this areas is racist. Until Edgar can offer up anything to backup his speculation, I'm calling him an institutional racist. Yes, I am.

726 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:49:57am

re: #718 x-wing

I'm guessing this is the "partial suppression of free speech" Edgar was talking about yesterday.

Well, you know what? I wouldn't mind if Mandy's right to call me a "pedophile" was taken away on this blog.

727 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:50:01am

it looks like the Nays have it 228-203

is this the vote on the actual bill or on an amendment?

728 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:50:02am

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

Now who gets the blame for the failure?

Bush, Palin, and the Republicans. Who else?

729 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:50:23am

re: #720 kansas

Great. No bill, Down in a free fall. Say hey to President Barak Obama.

That is probable, now.

730 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:50:32am

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

Now who gets the blame for the failure?


certainly not people like you i bet

731 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #724 realwest

Yeah the House voted DOWN the bailout bill.

Interesting numbers, not even consensus in the Dem ranks - 95 voted against...

732 yma o hyd  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:16am

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

Now who gets the blame for the failure?

Bush - who did you think!

Dems - pure as the driven snow ... poor little innocents!

Would be nice to get a roll-call of names ...

733 SpartanWoman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:22am

re: #653 ploome hineni

oh SHUT UP

Wouldn't that be nice? This is the second day this person has been allowed to destroy the forum. Enough of him.

734 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:29am

re: #730 ratso

certainly not people like you i bet

Well, I'm conservative, so the MSM will try to blame people like me.

735 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:39am

re: #680 Celtic Templar

I agree.. but from Edgar's clarified position that he understands why the black community would vote for Obama, but not that he agrees with it makes me think that he was rationalizing their view points, not that he agrees with them.

Again.. I can see why disadvantaged black populations would flock to Obama. He represents the possibility that their children can become the president of one of the most powerful, most liberal, most free countries on the planet. The black population may think Obama 'knows' them better, in fact I suspect many of them do think that way (why else would you have 97% voting for him?). But by no means does that mean it's right, and that Edgar is supporting it.

WIth his clarification of his position I think it justcame across wrong. To me he seems like he was rationalizing their position, not supporting it.

736 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:45am

re: #633 Edgar

Do you not read properly?

Sharmuta called me a racist.

MandyManners said I "might be a pedophile."

The point of my original comment was to tell Sharmuta to get evidence.

Mandy's point was to call someone a pedophile indirectly and then deny they meant it

I substituted the word "racist" in your very own sentence.

483
re: #469 Edgar

Well, Sharmuta, you might be racist. But I wouldn't accuse you on a public forum without evidence.

You might be a pedophile but I wouldn't accuse you of it on a public forum without evidence.

737 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:49am

Is E - you know who - finished crapping all over this blog?

738 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:51:55am

re: #666 Gorgon Zola

logged on just to down ding the ding dong up thread,,

Go up and upding this one.

739 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #717 Dead Man Voting

Do you think that anyone will notice that Pelosi is simply unable to lead the House to do anything?

Oh, you've nailed it, man. Yes, yes.

740 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #714 ratso

i'm buying right now, been waiting for a good goog price

Yes, it's time for those with cool heads to step and in and grab some bargains as opposed to panicing with the herd. Just tossing money at the issue isn't a cure unless the underlying issues are addressed...like corrupting a free market with the so-called need for socialistic ideals like entitlements, income redistributions, loans made without sufficient foundation and corporate malfeasance.

741 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:52:36am

re: #733 SpartanWoman

Wouldn't that be nice? This is the second day this person has been allowed to destroy the forum. Enough of him.

Ignore it and it will go away.

742 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:52:50am

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

Dems: 140 yes, 95 no

Reps: 65 yes, 133 no

The Republicans killed it.

743 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:52:51am

re: #698 CynicalConservative

Down 550 now

I hate to say it, but good if it fails. We're being sold down the river by the Dems.

/And that is NOT a racist analogy.

The truth about this whole mess needs to come out.

744 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:53:09am

re: #700 JohnDakota

Yes.. because anyone with a different point of view that may not fully agree with yours must be from the left.


GRAZE sleeple


So, what did your handlers send you here to accomplish? Besides getting your ass chewed off that is.

745 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:53:11am

re: #735 JohnDakota

And that's all many of us have been saying- he's justifying racism.

746 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:53:33am

re: #647 Edgar

Ok, Dianna, what do you think would have happened if I called people racist, then hinted someone was a pedophile?

Probably banned instantly. Mandy gets cut more slack for being around longer, but it still doesn't make what she said any less disgusting.

I did NOT hint that you're a pedophile. READ YOUR NO. 469.

747 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:53:47am

re: #726 Edgar

Well, you know what? I wouldn't mind if Mandy's right to call me a "pedophile" was taken away on this blog.

WILL YOU STOP WHINING?

Edgar, this blog is fucking not all about you, you twerp.

This is a blog. BLOG.

748 CynicalConservative  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:53:59am

re: #743 Cattt

I hate to say it, but good if it fails. We're being sold down the river by the Dems.

/And that is NOT a racist analogy.

The truth about this whole mess needs to come out.

Agree

749 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:54:04am

re: #735 JohnDakota

I agree.. but from Edgar's clarified position that he understands why the black community would vote for Obama, but not that he agrees with it makes me think that he was rationalizing their view points, not that he agrees with them.

Again.. I can see why disadvantaged black populations would flock to Obama. He represents the possibility that their children can become the president of one of the most powerful, most liberal, most free countries on the planet. The black population may think Obama 'knows' them better, in fact I suspect many of them do think that way (why else would you have 97% voting for him?). But by no means does that mean it's right, and that Edgar is supporting it.

WIth his clarification of his position I think it justcame across wrong. To me he seems like he was rationalizing their position, not supporting it.

Fair enough, but it comes across has enabling racism (and I've had enough of it - 20+ years of it).

750 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:54:17am

re: #647 Edgar

Ok, Dianna, what do you think would have happened if I called people racist, then hinted someone was a pedophile?

Probably banned instantly. Mandy gets cut more slack for being around longer, but it still doesn't make what she said any less disgusting.

Let's see:

You have at least taken a "soft" racist position, though I'm sure you will continue to say you didn't.

You have insulted me - flat out, no excuses insulted me - and not apologized.

You have called people names, and then whinged when a counter-example was placed before you.

As for Mandy - I do not tell Mandy what to do. It's a matter for her conscience, and for what Charles decides is tolerable.

I should stop whining, in your shoes.

751 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:54:51am

re: #726 Edgar

Well, you know what? I wouldn't mind if Mandy's right to call me a "pedophile" was taken away on this blog.


She didn't , I read the same damn thing you did. You read into things way too much.

Are you always this nit-picky? Get a life dude.

752 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:55:20am

re: #661 buzzsawmonkey

Edgar's skin is extra-thin to impart full sensation and additional pleasure.

Whoa! You just accused him of being a condom! I bet he reports you, too.

753 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:55:23am

re: #742 Kenneth

Dems: 140 yes, 95 no

Reps: 65 yes, 133 no

The Republicans killed it.

Next question: what do we do now (other than pray)?

754 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:55:32am

re: #726 Edgar

Well, you know what? I wouldn't mind if Mandy's right to call me a "pedophile" was taken away on this blog.

Typical fascist.

755 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:55:48am

re: #718 x-wing

I'm guessing this is the "partial suppression of free speech" Edgar was talking about yesterday.

Good point - it seems to fit with his ideology.

756 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:02am

re: #742 Kenneth

Dems: 140 yes, 95 no

Reps: 65 yes, 133 no

The Republicans killed it.

I think they meant to Vote No the WHOLE time to make Dems look like idiots.

A setup for the setup they did on McCain.

757 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:03am

re: #742 Kenneth

Dems: 140 yes, 95 no

Reps: 65 yes, 133 no

The Republicans killed it.

I wouldn't ignore the impact of the 95 Dem nay votes... Clearly Speaker Pelosi didn't have her own house in order.

758 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:05am

re: #670 Edgar

Show me one thread where you don't use obscenities against people with different views.

Apples and oranges.

759 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:11am

re: #752 MandyManners

Whoa! You just accused him of being a condom! I bet he reports you, too.

Well, it fits. Since he's being a dick.

760 debutaunt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:31am

re: #173 Ward Cleaver

Excaliber? More like a paring knife.

Dull butterknife

761 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:42am

To a certain troll - Shaddup, grow up, and stop being an inept agent provocateur. And tell Zsa Zsa (Huffington) that I said so.

762 SpartanWoman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:45am

re: #742 Kenneth

Dems: 140 yes, 95 no

Reps: 65 yes, 133 no

The Republicans killed it.

Dems could have passed it 95 said NO

763 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:56:55am

re: #742 Kenneth

Dems: 140 yes, 95 no

Reps: 65 yes, 133 no

The Republicans killed it.

95 NO on the Dem side? Huh?

764 NC State of Mind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:57:00am

Dow rallied 300 after 'No' received a majority of votes. Two reps have rescinded their no votes in the past five minutes: 228 to 226, so it's technically not a done deal.

765 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:58:03am
766 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:58:20am

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

I was just ribbing him for my enjoyment.

yuck

767 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:58:30am

re: #711 ErnieG

Something must have just happened. Dow dropped 500 points in just a few minutes.

The bill didn't pass?

768 venezuela lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:02am

Charles, another possible link.
Is Obama change like Hugo Chavez change?
from by Alex Beech at Venezuela News and Views

Change for Change's Sake isn't Enough
In recent months, I’ve noticed that some of my Venezuelan friends in the US aren’t planning to vote for or support Obama. This really surprises me. After all, he offers an exciting platform of change and hope. He’s dynamic and well-educated. He’s a minority so he should take minority issues to heart. Why aren’t some Venezuelans voting for Obama?

Suddenly, it occurred to me that the similarities between the Chavez and Obama campaigns are striking enough to merit examination. At the core of their message, both candidates promised change, and in both cases, that word sufficed to create a groundswell of support.

In Venezuela, Chavez delivered on the promise of change: he changed every institution, and even prevailing attitudes about government and civil society.

Thinking about the promise of change ten years later, some Venezuelans are weary with the promise of “change” because it opened a Pandora’s Box which may never close.

Change, as it turns out, may not have been exactly what Venezuelans wanted. After all:

1.) Chavez changed the Constitution. In 1999, he formed a constituent assembly and ran a campaign called “Chavez’s Keys” with jingles in which all the names of his supporters rhymed, including his ex-wife’s. People literally memorized the names of his supporters and voted for them. The constituent assembly wrote Venezuela’s new constitution which was considered modern and revolutionary. However, Chavez would later pervert the very document that he promised would bring in a new democratic era for Venezuela. “Ten years ago, Chávez promoted a new constitution that could have significantly improved human rights in Venezuela, But rather than advancing rights protections, his government has since moved in the opposite direction, sacrificing basic guarantees in pursuit of its own political agenda,” ,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. In fact, the new constitution later proved to be too democratic for Chavez who has since tried to amend it to fit his own political and economic goals.

2.) Chavez changed the legislative system. He eliminated a bi-cameral structure and instituted a Cuban-style National Assembly. An overwhelming majority of its members are his supporters who bow to his needs. The legislative branch only bends where the tree trunk bends, and the tree trunk is Chavez. In fact, its roots are also Chavez, and it only represents those who support Chavez.

Read the rest at Daniels log at Venezuela News and Views...

769 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:06am

Moving up 3 threads. ==>

770 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:09am

Charles put up a thread about the bill failing for those of you who care to discuss it.

771 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:17am

re: #764 NC State of Mind

Dow rallied 300 after 'No' received a majority of votes. Two reps have rescinded their no votes in the past five minutes: 228 to 226, so it's technically not a done deal.


I'm seeing 226 to 207 against on CSPAN. Why aren't they announcing the total?

772 FloridaAnole  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:20am

re: #763 Celtic Templar

95 NO on the Dem side? Huh?

95 Dems? Man, this bailout package must really stink.

773 SpartanWoman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:33am

re: #767 MandyManners

The bill didn't pass?

I suspect some members will vote against it before they vote FOR it

774 Kenneth  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:37am

re: #762 SpartanWoman

The point is a majority of Dems voted Yes, and a majority of Republicans voted No.

I don't know the details of the bill, but they had better do something before everything melts down.

775 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 10:59:48am

11 members of congress are being brow beaten to change their vote, which they can do, according to Rush re: #753 Dark_Falcon

Next question: what do we do now (other than pray)?

776 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:00:03am

re: #718 x-wing

I'm guessing this is the "partial suppression of free speech" Edgar was talking about yesterday.

Lying about what was actually said!

777 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:00:04am

re: #770 Sharmuta

Charles put up a thread about the bill failing for those of you who care to discuss it.

I'm heading up there. This is one thread I'd like to forget.

778 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:00:14am

re: #759 Dark_Falcon

Well, it fits. Since he's being a dick.


I knew there was a condom joke out there somewhere..I just couldn't think of it.
Just drop it Edgar...Let's move on from this..

779 Athos  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:00:50am

re: #764 NC State of Mind

Dow rallied 300 after 'No' received a majority of votes. Two reps have rescinded their no votes in the past five minutes: 228 to 226, so it's technically not a done deal.

Huh? I'm still looking at 207 Yea, 226 Nay, 1 Not Voting. As for the Dow - it entered free fall as soon as time expired with Nay's winning and after a couple of minutes of free fall rebounded a bit to hi 300's (now falling back to -487) as some stepped into to buy - either bargain hunting or trying to minimize the damage. I don't think its accurate to project the failure of the bill to the Dow rallying to -300...

780 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:00:55am

re: #700 JohnDakota

Oh, great. You're another contemptuous snot.

781 kansas  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:00:58am

re: #754 Celtic Templar

Typical fascist.


re: #772 FloridaAnole

95 Dems? Man, this bailout package must really stink.

Not enough pork. Get ACORN money back in an some retirement money for Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and Dodd.

782 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:01:45am

re: #681 Sharmuta

I dont know.. the fact that he explicitly stated he does not support the position of voting based on identity politics kinda makes me think he doesn't support the black population for voting for obama because he's black. That's just me though.. I take explicit statements like that at face value. Maybe you read something more into his?

Edgar #466
"Fine. I DO NOT THINK IT'S RIGHT TO VOTE BASED SOLELY ON RACE.
However, I can understand why people do it."

783 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:01:53am

re: #753 Dark_Falcon

Next question: what do we do now (other than pray)?

Simple. Save money and act/spend responsibly like we should have been doing for the past 50 years... and pray. Pray hard.

This from my Grandmother. :)

784 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:02:02am

Is CNN cheerleading?

House has 207 of 218 votes needed for bailout. See the tally.
785 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:02:17am

re: #726 Edgar

Well, you know what? I wouldn't mind if Mandy's right to call me a "pedophile" was taken away on this blog.

Huh? I called you a pedophile? Where?

READ NO. 483.

786 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:02:49am

re: #784 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Is CNN cheerleading?

What are they saying

787 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:03:10am

re: #758 MandyManners

Apples and oranges.

Now you're calling him a fruit?

788 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:03:48am

re: #786 Noam Chumpski

What are they saying

That was the banner at the top of the page "House has 207 of 218 votes needed for bailout."

Sounds like cheerleading to me.

789 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:04:22am

re: #759 Dark_Falcon

Well, it fits. Since he's being a dick.

Ewww.

790 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:04:38am

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

I was just ribbing him for my enjoyment.

ROFLMAO! I needed that.

791 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:04:48am

re: #726 Edgar

Well, you know what? I wouldn't mind if Mandy's right to call me a "pedophile" was taken away on this blog.

She didn't call you one who loves children.

792 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:05:36am

re: #780 Dianna

Oh, great. You're another contemptuous snot.

Don't hold back! It's bad for your BP.

793 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:06:09am

i hadn't realized that female lizards have very large claws

794 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:06:29am

re: #787 sparrowlake

Now you're calling him a fruit?

LOL! Don't give him ideas!

795 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:07:00am

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

I was just ribbing him for my enjoyment.

That's a tickler.

796 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:07:33am

re: #743 Cattt

I hate to say it, but good if it fails. We're being sold down the river by the Dems.

/And that is NOT a racist analogy.

The truth about this whole mess needs to come out.

I'm sorry, Cattt, but this time I think you're wrong.

We can sort things out later, and assign the blame. But for now, I'm watching the financial system melt down, and that, we cannot afford.

797 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:08:45am

REALWEST- you're ratting , and besides , I send you $500 in the mail , if you can prove that I'm the only one who has used the F-bomb . You just dont like my views and are attempting to censor free speech . I've been on this thread longer than you , and I paid my dues in Vietnam , I'm no chicken-hawk spouting totally partisan bullshit .

BTW , tell me where to send the box of cheese .


No I'm not a Kos kid , nor am I a Democrat OR REPUBLICAN .
I'm an INDEPENDENT .
And it seems schmucks like you can't take any honest criticism , but you'll report me amidst the little troglites calling each other racists , pedophiles and worse ?

"endangering LGF " ? Are you serious ? What a sychophant !


People like you are a danger , a danger to free speech .

798 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:09:09am

re: #574 JohnDakota

Which sock are you? Left or right?

799 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:10:20am

re: #753 Dark_Falcon

Next question: what do we do now (other than pray)?

Applaud as we are dashed on the rocks of principle?

I do admire it, in a weird sort of way. Fortunately for me, I'm already numb to it. The shock has taken away all sensation.

800 godfrey  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:10:42am

Good article by Kurtz. McCain and Palin need to point these things out on the trail. Now is the time.

801 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:11:48am

re: #797 Excaliber

For cryin' out loud. Where are you people coming from?

802 ratso  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:11:50am

this isn't much more than a medium market correction. 10600 isn't scary, nor is 10100

803 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:12:11am

re: #334 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The term is "grassroots pharmacist."

Ding! I'd give you more if I could.

804 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:12:50am

BTW maddog and cartman , what astute observation !

Glad you two Figer'd it out , that I had to dumb it down for you .

805 Perplexed  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:15:18am

re: #802 ratso

this isn't much more than a medium market correction. 10600 isn't scary, nor is 10100

I remember when it was under 3000 and the joys when it passed through 3000.

806 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:15:41am

The market is bouncing. This is never a good thing.

I wonder when the SEC's going to shut it down?

807 sparrowlake  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:16:03am

re: #799 Dianna

Applaud as we are dashed on the rocks of principle?

I do admire it, in a weird sort of way. Fortunately for me, I'm already numb to it. The shock has taken away all sensation.

Give me liberty or give me death numbness in my extremities.

808 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:17:56am

re: #798 Cap'n DOC

Which sock are you? Left or right?

Yes, anyone who agrees with me is a sock puppet.

Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

And when Mandy calls someone a "pedophile" she didn't really mean it.

/sarc

809 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:20:50am

re: #808 Edgar

Are you a black or white sock?

/just curious.

810 lurking faith  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:21:46am

Edgar

You have said that you find race-based politics understandable and logical.
You have said that you see identity politics as normal.
You have said that whites can't understand the inner city, apparently simply because they are white.

And you have said that you consider these views not racist.

And while you also said you do not condone racism in politics, I think (assuming that you mean all of the above) you do not recognize it in many of the forms in which it appears.

By the way, I noticed that you jumped in and started talking about the inner city as soon as black people were mentioned as voting for Obama based solely on race. But that's only a portion of the black community, and is a diversion from the original point.
I know a number of black people who would not consider voting for a man with BHO's views and record, if he were not black. And they say, straight out, that they disagree with him on almost every point, but that it would be so nice to see a black president.

Are they racist?

811 Edgar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:38am

re: #809 Cap'n DOC

Are you a black or white sock?

/just curious.

Well, I wear gray socks.

812 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:39am

Really perplexed are you Cap'n ?

Let me make it real simple fer ya cap'n , I'm not a political clone , I dont toe anybody's political line ...I'm a patriot , and recognize thieves and liars when I see them .
And I dont swallow the b.s. put out by bums who don't wanna work [politicians ].

Who in the hell you think is responsible for the mess we're in ?

Obama , Clinton , Harry Truman , but oooh nooo , not any Republicans , ...well chief CRUCIFY ME MAN , I BLAME BOTH PARTIES .
There it is , I made a BLASPHEMY !

And the cries go out from the sychophants " Ban Him " ...what a sorry bunch ...and you call yourselves Americans ?

Are you what I put my ass on the line for in '69 ?

813 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:24:06am

re: #807 sparrowlake

Give me liberty or give me death numbness in my extremities.

I love that!

814 Death from Above  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:24:18am

While I've been trying to get the information out to masses in my classes, I'm afraid that rest of country is hopelessly tied to CNN, etc for their news.

815 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:25:05am

re: #796 Dianna

I'm sorry, Cattt, but this time I think you're wrong.

We can sort things out later, and assign the blame. But for now, I'm watching the financial system melt down, and that, we cannot afford.

Stop and think a minute, though. The treasury secretary made up a figure as a scare tactic. The people who created the problem want to use tax money to save the people who used the system.

The markets will recover, and those who played fast and loose will lose.

816 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #812 Excaliber

HEY... You better check my NIC, buddy. That 'put my ass on the line' line don't cut it with me. Although both parties can't remain blameless in this, there are definite ties to the democratic ties that got us into this mess and they are currently in control. Don't expect a political solution for this current mess.

/who were you with?

817 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:30:14am

re: #815 Cattt

Stop and think a minute, though. The treasury secretary made up a figure as a scare tactic. The people who created the problem want to use tax money to save the people who used the system.

The markets will recover, and those who played fast and loose will lose.

Um. No.

The problem isn't the market. The problem is pension funds and 401(k) money, invested in government-backed mortgage funds.

I will - with great displeasure - support the bail out. I'm not happy.

What I want - and am doing my best to figure a way to force - is a break up of Fannie, Freddie, and Ginnie.

818 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #782 JohnDakota

I dont know.. the fact that he explicitly stated he does not support the position of voting based on identity politics kinda makes me think he doesn't support the black population for voting for obama because he's black. That's just me though.. I take explicit statements like that at face value. Maybe you read something more into his?

Edgar #466
"Fine. I DO NOT THINK IT'S RIGHT TO VOTE BASED SOLELY ON RACE.
However, I can understand why people do it."

It reminds me of the fascist threads, where people come in and say, "well... I don't agree with fascists, but I can understand why the europeans feel this way". It's a BS argument. You disagree, yet understand. This "understanding" gives cover to fascist sympathizers on fascist threads, and in this case "understanding" racism gives cover to racists. Should we "understand" iranian mullahs? Should we "understand" rapists?! Should we "understand" why bad, immoral people do bad, immoral things?

I think it's more worthy to get the other side to see why they're wrong, not "understanding" them.

819 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:34:36am

re: #804 Excaliber

BTW maddog and cartman , what astute observation !

Glad you two Figer'd it out , that I had to dumb it down for you .

I think you might have to pick up a few IQ ticks to qualify as dumb, shitbird.

820 lurking faith  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:39:51am

re: #726 Edgar

We get it; you hate Mandy.
But she still did NOT actually call you that.

She may have given you a verbal slap, but she did not say what you claim she said. (We can all read, here, you know.)

Now, can we focus for half a second on the topic, or is it all just about YOU?

821 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:41:21am

And Jorline does display a hint of primitive intelligence, for the credit card moguls are indeed the next bunch to fall , for they too have been bundling and reselling credit card debt to greed blinded investors who'd buy into a pile of dried dog shit , if you told them it would return higher dividends than the banks .

So just get used to all the phony posturing and self-righteous indignation coming out of Washington , there WILL BE A BAILOUT, because if there isn't the whole house of cards that the Wall Street Assholes and the politicians have been building will come crumbling down , and if people are screaming about 700 Billion , what are they gonna do when they find out the real price tag will be somewhere between 2 and 3 TRILLION .

It's really a sad joke that all the politicians who oversaw this mess , will now try to hide from the fact that they MUST be a part of a vote , that the taxpayers will hate them for .

Damned if they do - damned if they dont -as it were .

822 Death from Above  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:42:34am

edgar, gray is noncommital. It takes courage to lead and stand on principles and from what I've read out of you today, you have none.

823 Ron Shaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:45:27am

Yet again, a vitally important story which the MSM will shun completely...nope, I take back the verb 'shun' which might imply initial or any acknowledgement as the MSM neither sees nor hears nor reports anything even remotely negative to their next President.
Have you noticed these days the crickets chirp aren't heard over at the MSM as they say nothing...the MSM remains as vacuumous as deep space where BHO and anything remotely anti surrounding him exists. Neither desenting voices nor screams are heard...the movie 'Aliens' comes to mind and they (Dems/MSM) are trying their darnedest to make conservatives and/or Republicans in America 'illegal.'
Honestly, what has happened to journalism in America? Has it always been like this and I'm suddenly given a few outlets for alternate views in the debate which has absolutely blown my msm-propogandized-mind? Sorry for the rant but its my first post at LGF...back to the topic at hand:
Obviously, the ACORN never falls far from the tree.
If you want to see a modern-day micro-model of Marxism/Socialism in America take a closer look at the current financial crisis. For example; we have the principle players: Democrats mainly on the left in Govt. (federally and locally-usually centered in the largest or major cities across America), Community Organizers from the grass roots or the 'collective' who demand something basically for nothing or possibly very little at best, the capitalist bankers, aka, the rich by the COs and 'collective' and other lending institutions who are forced into submission through sub-prime lending practices which is in essence the redistribution of wealth through the single most expensive purchase the overwhelming majority of Americans can and probably will ever make, a home. Mix in a lot of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with Dem appointees running the shows there in this equation for more pseudo-dem-or-leberal influence and next over time and after many, many folks on the right calling for oversight, regulation and immediate changes who get the MSMed treatment (Dem-powers-totall-in-the-tank, chirp, chirp), then the proverbial bad-egg-loan chickens have come home to roost and thus again the taxpayers are left with the bill which is in essence the icing on the redistribution of wealth cake. Cleaning up this mess will literally mean kicking the same old can down the road while millions of Americans will now be again paying for the mess for decades to come.
I could use an almost free $500,000 plus home...but, then again, I really can't afford it and would not wish to harm good credit established over decades by such an unrealistic extravagance even if I'm actually seen as part of the 'collective.' Not to mention, a real banker or mortgage loan officer who would laugh hardily at the numbers on such an application. I suppose I'm the 'collective' part that gets nothing for free, that is.
Ron

824 pbird  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:48:59am

re: #819 maddogg

I think you might have to pick up a few IQ ticks to qualify as dumb, shitbird.

teehee

825 AZDave  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #8 kynna

Thank you, Stanley Kurtz, for being brave enough to keep searching where all the other MSM fears refuse to tread.

Fixed.

826 hazzyday  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:07:23pm

Well I think Edgar sees Ad Hominem wherever anyone makes him feel bad or angry. I couldn't see any evidence of it where he posted he was a victim.

Then he gets into racists accusations and feeling he needs to report people for things he started. He implies someone is a racist and someone reply's to his implication that he could just as easily be a pedophile based on his own logic. Then he goes off on his tangent forgetting again that his arguement started it.

Since he doesn't know what ad hominem is and constantly drifts off his argument he would have to be inexperienced and a moby.

I don't begrudge someone voting their black culture this election if they feel that passionate about it that it drives them skin deep. Go do it. I do begrudge people voting for Sen. Obama either if they wholeheartedly favor his thought process or they just have a tingle up their leg and that is all they need to know to vote.

827 AZDave  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:07:36pm

re: #35 Honorary Yooper

What, do tell, are you smoking and/or snorting?

Now it's complete.

828 AZDave  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:10:39pm

re: #50 Perplexed

I saw ACORN in action while living in the DFW metroplex. Not impressed. Their actions struck me as intimidation, borderline thuggery, and unscrupulous voter registration.

Yep, that do sound like ACORN in action.

829 JHW  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:15:52pm

#143 that dropped his pearls of wisdom in this thread has been an enthusiastic apologist for Putin before here at LGF, just so everyone knows.

830 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:23:32pm

re: #713 MandyManners

I think that should be "ideologically monotonal population".

Either way, you're wrong. We're a pretty diverse group. We just don't like assholes.

Orifaceist!

/

831 Jimash  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:25:01pm

re: #60 Intrepid

Does anybody have projected numbers as to how many in the House are supporting the bill's passage, and how many are against?

The dems have enough votes if every dem lines up behind Pelosi and Frank, but I heard on Fox that as many as 45 house dems may be against it, and that they'll need at least 90 reps voting for it.

I think that's what was said. I still need more coffee, so mistakes in hearing are possible.

Do i understand this correctly?. The dems could pass it themselves, but
are limiting their exposure, insisting that the reps also vote for it to "split the blame "
In the middle of this touchy process, Ms. Pelosi stood up and made some fiery anti-Bush speech that got the republican representatives so angry that they withdrew their support.

832 Dianna  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:28:23pm

re: #831 Jimash

Do i understand this correctly?. The dems could pass it themselves, but
are limiting their exposure, insisting that the reps also vote for it to "split the blame "
In the middle of this touchy process, Ms. Pelosi stood up and made some fiery anti-Bush speech that got the republican representatives so angry that they withdrew their support.

No, the Dems cannot pass it by themselves.

But Nancy did shoot the process.

833 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:29:22pm

Congratulations Ron Shaw , you are now a qualified member of the "Deniers and fingerpointing club " They did it , it was dem ![pun intended ] .
Now all you gotta do is call all the taxpayers [ the people who really pay taxes ] a bunch of whiners like Phil Graham did .

And you'll be welcomed into the fold of ONE-SIDED Americans .

Just remember , the shit didn't really hitthe fan yet , and when it does , all will 'get splattered upon , Democrats AND Republicans .

This is no different than the Hannity and Colmes Freak show , as viewed fom the Hannity camp .
I don't like Obama , and I think McCains a jerk , so I'm gonna waste my vote on an Independent in Nov.

Atleast the Dems and Republicans that can think straight, see the crisis for what it is ,and admit they are equally to blame , whilst the remainder of these 533 BUMS will not doubt attempt to delay a needed rescue beyond Nov 8 , for the sake of their own selfish , self-perpetuating agendas .

Keep in mind , those that got us into this , and those who would delay a rescue plan for the sake of their own political futures , gambling with the better good of the United States , putting their own political fortunes above Her , are TRAITORS .

834 kevinmumaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:32:57pm

This helps to explain the Obama campaign's assault on WGN and attempted police state in Missouri.

835 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:35:03pm

maddog and pbird , I can see where an IQ of 122 might intimidate you ...your resentment is understandable .

836 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:47:35pm

Nice spin JHW , but I merely pointedout , that the Russians did not care for what we did not care for in the 60's , having missles stuck up their butts , and thence surrounded by nato allies ...allied against who ?

What do you expect ?

As for Georgia , who made the first move ? And who encouraged the Georgians to make that move , knowing full well that we could not back them up .

No , I'm not an apologist for Putin , just a pragmatist , capable of connective thought , instead of what I suppose would be mindless , and thoughtless blunder on your part .

I suggest you do your homework , and learn what ALL the circumstances were leading up to Georgia's move , before you go running your mouth and casting aspersions .

BTW , you still looking for commies under your bed ?

837 JHW  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 12:55:19pm

re: #836 Excaliber

Your foul mouth and all CAPs is enough for any person to ignore your BS, your sticking up for the poor Russians, the biggest country on earth, being "surrounded" like Switzerland is, speaks for itself. You might learn how to politely make a point, if you have any, rather than being an obnoxious ass.

838 maddogg  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:01:17pm

re: #835 Excaliber

maddog and pbird , I can see where an IQ of 122 might intimidate you ...your resentment is understandable .

Sorry Shortsword, but 122 does not intimidate. BTW, I wouldn't list my IQ if it was that low, it only confirms what you've been trying to prove on this thread.

839 Venezuela lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:08:55pm

re: #662 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I just figured out how to post links and put it there. Thanks.

840 Venezuela lover  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:15:20pm

re: #782 JohnDakota

I dont know.. the fact that he explicitly stated he does not support the position of voting based on identity politics kinda makes me think he doesn't support the black population for voting for obama because he's black. That's just me though.. I take explicit statements like that at face value. Maybe you read something more into his?

Edgar #466
"Fine. I DO NOT THINK IT'S RIGHT TO VOTE BASED SOLELY ON RACE.
However, I can understand why people do it."

Venezuela elected Hugo Chavez on a large part because of his race. He claims to be a native South American and espoused the notion that he would protect and promote other native people. Chavez has tried to eliminate all references to Europeans in the history books and his proposed new constitution. Of course, Venezuela is now down the sewer for human rights, corruption, and economics. But the president is now like one of them.

People need to look at the person and not the color of their skin.

841 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:15:48pm

And I wouldn't blame you maddog , 89 is nothing to bragg about ...perhaps some distemper pills from the vet would help .

What I tried to prove on this thread , I have already accomplished ...that there are a goodly number of Partisan IDIOTS who would rather see the country crash and burn before admitting that any Republican had anything whatsoever to do with this present crisis ...and I am an equal opportunity critic , I put those in the same boat as the Democratic partisan IDIOTS , who by the way, just got a good chance to prove me right , in that Nancy Pelosi , couldn't resist taking an insulting shot at Bush in the midst of all this , thereby causing the Republican IDIOTS to follow in suit ...end of Day-1 Markets slde 570 pts ---more "partisan fun tommorrow " .

People like you deserve the choice you will get in november , which to most true Americans is a national disgrace , but hey , keep on watching those McCain Ads , there made for the moronic masses , as are the Obama clips .


I will vote for no Encumbent , and cast my lot on an Independent , so neither idiot gets my vote .

842 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:22:49pm

re: #818 Sharmuta

When you attempt to understand someone's point of view, or their motives, you begin to understand THEM, and then you empower yourself better to change their ideological position if you find it to be wrong. If all you do is engage in attacks that contain insults like 'stupid,' 'racist,' 'bigoted,' etc.. when trying to change people's points of view then its' not surprising you get nowhere. You haven't even bothered to try to learn where they may be coming from. If you won't learn about them (hint.. that's UNDERSTANDING them), then why do you expect the same from them? Because ultimately if you want to change someone's point of view to yours they need to understand YOU. So if you wont bother yourself with understanding those you disagree with you might as well go pound sand all day. Maybe that's why you're posting here all day.

So yes.. I would say we should definitely try to 'understand' the Iranians, we should definitely try to 'understand' why rapists rape, and why 'immoral' people would do 'immoral' things. If you don't learn (hint.. again.. that's understanding..) what motivates others, there's no possible way you could ever change their opinions, or their actions.

But hey.. if pounding sand all day makes you feel good about yourself, regardless of the fact that it does absolutely nothing to change anything.. then by all means continue. Who am I to take that away from you?

843 JohnDakota  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:25:06pm

re: #840 Venezuela lover

Thanks.. and I'm pretty sure that's precisely what was meant in my posts, as well as Edgars.

844 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:50:56pm

Well JHW , I see I hit a sore spot Eh ? And you did not "IGNORE IT " .

Run along JHW , I always consider the source before evaluating any criticism , and yea , yours is already in the toilet .

Unlike YOU , I'm not here for ego enrichment , I express my views , unfettered , and if the F-Bomb and Caps offend you , well you're gonna be a very busy little boy , firing off the same criticism to about a thousand other posters on these threads .

Well , what are waiting for Sir Wingnut , you've got your assigned task , now carry on .

p.s. don't you think that your remark about me being "an enthusiastic apologist for Putin " was just a litle bit of a lie ?

845 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:57:36pm

Oh that don't cut it with you Cap'n doc ? And ...you what ? you say both are to blame , but it was what ? the Democrats ?

Congrats , you now get membership to the Partisan finger-pointing club .

Tell me tough guy , what were you doing in '68-69 ?

Who was changing your diapers ? Or were you even around ?

846 JHW  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 1:58:10pm

re: #844 Excaliber

yawn

847 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:13:39pm

re: #842 JohnDakota

My problem is that "understanding" is being used here to give cover to racists, because I understand perfectly. I have taken the time to learn about islam, I have taken the time to learn about fascism, I used to be a democrat so you could say I've learned about them too. I understand perfectly well with what I am dealing.

But I'm not going to sit around and "understand" racists. I'm not going to sit around and "understand" nazis. I'm not going to sit around and "understand" sexists. I'm not going to sit around and "understand" thugs. THEY are the ones who don't understand human decency, equal treatment before the law, equal rights, and judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin nor their gender.

Yeah- we should "understand" the palestinians and their grievance theatre. We should "understand" that we're bad, bad whitey and we owe people.

There is rational, reasonable people coming together to understand each other to make a difference that will benefit humanity, and there is "understanding" that gives cover to to that which is morally repugnant.

So yeah- I'm not going to sit here and give Edgar's comments a pass because he wants to be "understanding" as to why one group of citizens are allowed to be racists, yet others are not. It's my opinion his comments are justifying racism, and we're never going to improve race relations in this manner. I believe it's incumbent on those who are wrong to understand why they are wrong, not on those in the right to understand the morally wrong positions of others.

848 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:19:15pm

re: #842 JohnDakota

P.S.- you sit with Edgar whining about the treatment of posters here with nasty comments then turn around and tell me to "pound sand"?!

You're a hypocrite.

849 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:22:36pm

Jihadist excoriates Zardari for "flirting" with Palin

Headline on article on Website-Jihad Watch .

LOL-
I didn't think that word was in your vocab pbird , that the stolen word of the day for you ?

850 Crusty  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:25:18pm

Someone in this thread reminds me of Walter from "The Big Lebowski."

851 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:36:34pm

Shame on you Dakota , the proper expression is " go pound salt " or in the parlance of our time " go F--k yourself " .

852 republic  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:41:52pm

re: #848 Sharmuta

P.S.- you sit with Edgar whining about the treatment of posters here with nasty comments then turn around and tell me to "pound sand"?!

You're a hypocrite.

Sharmuta, don't worry yourself with clowns who live in their shallow, tiny, insignificant, self-absorbed worlds.

853 Excaliber  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:44:21pm

Wait a minute , let me go fetch a good psychologist , he'll have a field day here . It seems Sharmuta , Edgar and Dakota ...have some issues .

Oh and JHW freeze that pose .

854 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:45:20pm
855 JHW  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:46:51pm

zzz.

856 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:47:15pm

re: #852 republic

Thanks, republic.

857 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 2:54:10pm

I'm hungry.
What's for supper?

858 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 3:00:58pm
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