MAYBE HE'LL JUST DROP OUT

n0bama would be a disaster for the US at any time.

At this particular time, he would be a catastrophe.

And yet despite all of this, virtually no-one in the mainstream media is asking any questions. Has there ever been a more staggering, surreal and scary race to the White House?

In a word? No.

Now if only someone would pay attention. Obama should not be a candidate for POTUS.

Perhaps the October surprise will be the MSM doing it's job again.

/Not bloody likely, I'm afraid.

then again, if an Republican ex-Presidents would criticize him, like ex-demo-presidents Carter and Clinton regularly do
he'd be outta here

let alone his relationship with fraudster Tony Rezko.

Rumor has it Mr. Rezco's singing. I doubt it will make an impact, but here's hoping.

re: #5 CyanSnowHawk

Perhaps the October surprise will be the MSM doing it's job again.

/Not bloody likely, I'm afraid.

man, that's a good one
pass the paper towel so I can wipe the coffee off my monitor

The Mainchurian Candidate.

in the past any one of these connections would have automatically disqualified the person for POTUS. and even today, if a Republican had these connections there would be wall to wall coverage by Olberman and company.

Shana Tova to everyone. May this year be blessed with good things only.

And yet despite all of this, virtually no-one in the mainstream media is asking any questions. Has there ever been a more staggering, surreal and scary race to the White House?

The silence of the media is deafening and I fear their thunderous applause for Captain Ego will be death of the free market democratic republic all sane informed citizens call dear.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke

Where's Excalibur? He's late.

Staggerind, Surreal, and Scary
Spot on

re: #8 Adrenalyn

man, that's a good one
pass the paper towel so I can wipe the coffee off my monitor

Here you go...

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I'm guessing 0bama didn't think to send Truth Goons to the UK, huh?

the word is that Rezko is giving them enough dirt to sink govenor Blaggo.
probably won't do much to teflon Barry though.

Of course bringing up his associations and work for the last 20 years simply means we're a bunch of racists since we won't blindly support him because he is black.

yes, but the gun in this knife fight is the internet

people have been getting word out about Obama

and the democrat's killing any oversight of fannie and Freddie

lastly, don't believe the polls

it should be a landslide for McCain

but he has to unleash the hounds and NOT play nice

Is it any wonder the MSM is following the Dodo down the road to extinction? If they don't report the news, in a useful and unbiased way, and are nothing more than a willing extension of someone's propaganda machine, what the hell are they good for?

I remember someone saying that for a job with high government security clearance, he had to fill out a questionnaire, and one of the questions was "Have you ever known a domestic terrorist (or some combination of that same phrase.) If he'd answered yes and put Bill Ayers, he would have been denied access. Yet somehow Obama gets all of the access. He really is going to have to pull some strings in the justice department...for himself!

In their own little world, the MSM IS doing their job, and that's to get Little O elected. Anything that may prevent him from ascending to the presidency is to be ignored. It is useless for us to gnash our teeth and ask why they won't do their jobs.

re: #13 kevinmumaw

Where's Excalibur? He's late.

The Lady in the Lake has hold of his pommel and won't let go.

Good thing Boss Hog from Missouri doesn't have jurisdiction over her.

#20 by the time the 50% of the country, that hasn't figured out that yet, finally gets it, it'll be too late.

Why? And more importantly who is suppressing all of this? And there is no way the MSM is doing all the damage control in all of this, not in todays age with blogs and the like. After all Dan CBS Rather got taken down by Charles and his blog, and all the blogging about the Duke rape case that got Nifong disbarred. There has to be another factor.

I don't know why, but I am so glad that I am up here and not in the lower 48. Feels safer up here for some reason. I still think all hell will break loose, no matter who wins the election.

re: #11 Sparkizzy

Shana Tova to everyone. May this year be blessed with good things only.

Amen.

The MSM had a swooning crush on Obama last winter. They threw Hillary, a flawed, liberal but loyal candidate over the railing for their new political snookums Barack. Too late they realized he was a con man -- he was not who he pretended to be.

Now they have to lie, spin, and ignore their way through November... hoping against hope they can get their guy elected, and somehow get their reputations back when the dust has settled.

Not bloody likely.

re: #13 kevinmumaw

Where's Excalibur? He's late.

They were running a special on drool cups down at Wallyworld...

re: #19 Adrenalyn

it should be a landslide for McCain

i don't believe the polls, and frankly haven't given up on a mini-landside for McCain. mark my words, the needles will move sharply to the right as election day draws near.

re: #26 JohnnyReb

Why? And more importantly who is suppressing all of this? And there is no way the MSM is doing all the damage control in all of this, not in todays age with blogs and the like. After all Dan CBS Rather got taken down by Charles and his blog, and all the blogging about the Duke rape case that got Nifong disbarred. There has to be another factor.

I don't usually like to bother my neighbors, but there's some in my area with Obama signs, and I think I'm just going to ask them. I really want to know what it is. But I'm afraid it's not going to be a case of ignorance, or belief that all the bad stuff is just Fox News/Rush Limbaugh lies or smears, or anything even halfway logical. It's going to be irrational, it's going to be "feelings." How else could there be Iraqi veterans who SUPPORT the war and also support Obama, and think that he will prosecute the war better than Bush has?

Well, at least we now know what it is exactly that "community organizers" do. Has Obama denied any of this yet?

Quite frankly, Madeline Talbott should be the star of a McCain campaign commercial, right now. When the left complains about greed causing this mess, they are right. They just don't know how right they are.

Well, it's been a very interesting and stressful day.

I hope this evening is better.

Take care, lizards.

the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.

The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky:

"Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one. (Courtesy Discover the Networks.org)

Newsmax rounds out the picture:

Their strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution blended Alinsky concepts with their more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government. To achieve their revolutionary change, Cloward and Piven sought to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a re-distribution of the nation's wealth.

In their Nation article, Cloward and Piven were specific about the kind of "crisis" they were trying to create:

By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which either generate institutional disruption or bring unrecognized disruption to public attention.

No matter where the strategy is implemented, it shares the following features:

1. The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can.
2. The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.
3. The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse.

SNIP

Sound familiar?

re: #30 maddogg

They were running a special on drool cups down at Wallyworld...

Apparently. I am still going through his infantile tantrum on the other thread...I suspect he is about 14 or so.

re: #34 Dianna

Bye, Dianna! :-)

re: #32 Tigger2005

I don't usually like to bother my neighbors, but there's some in my area with Obama signs, and I think I'm just going to ask them. I really want to know what it is. But I'm afraid it's not going to be a case of ignorance, or belief that all the bad stuff is just Fox News/Rush Limbaugh lies or smears, or anything even halfway logical. It's going to be irrational, it's going to be "feelings." How else could there be Iraqi veterans who SUPPORT the war and also support Obama, and think that he will prosecute the war better than Bush has?

I'm convinced the Iraq Veterans for 0bama are a bunch of kids who signed up to get a free ride to college that are pissed they had to do actual military stuff.

re: #13 kevinmumaw

Where's Excalibur? He's late.

AAARGH! Speak not its name, lest you summon it!

re: #13 kevinmumaw

Where's Excalibur? He's late.

That's Excaliber. He can't spel.

In terms of sheer paucity of experience or credentials, there has never been a Presidential nominee of a major party (let alone an actual candidate) as inexperienced as Obama.

This guy has been given a free ride for months.

Has there ever been a more staggering, surreal and scary race to the White House?

I'm a less than enthusiastic supporter of McCain, but I have made two donations to his campaign so for. I haven't donated money to a political campaign in almost twenty years.

re: #36 kevinmumaw

Apparently. I am still going through his infantile tantrum on the other thread...I suspect he is about 14 or so.

Nah, took a direct hit on his noggin by a 120 mm morter in 'Nam.

re: #35 MandyManners

One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.

I tend to go with the former. However, never underestimate the unadulterated hatred of 60's era "progressives".

re: #35 MandyManners

the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.

Favorited! Hiya Mandy!

re: #43 maddogg

Nah, took a direct hit on his noggin by a 120 mm morter in 'Nam.

Thank God for the steel pot, eh?

Obama is not fit to be President and all the telepromters, hi flown but meaningless rhetoric cannot change that. Where the rubber meets the road, he can only hydroplane to disaster.

re: #43 maddogg

Nah, took a direct hit on his noggin by a 120 mm morter in 'Nam.

Please don't dignify Excalibur by implying that he was in Vietnam.

And notice they are not taking up the issue of the voter abuses our military men and women are going to take either. I hope Palin brings this up at the debates. After the "I have a bracelet too!" moment we should draw attention to what the Dems are doing to their votes by NOT counting them.

Yes, the MSM did throw Hillary under the Obama bus, but she almost pulled it out. If they had gone on the offense and clammed up Bill, then I think she would have won the primary. So for me, the up side is that despite the MSM Hillary did well in the end and we could do the same if our side would just learn how to hit hard. More stories about MO and the Obama Truth Goons please! They are not just in MO trying to scare people! This is happening in OH and PA too.

This article should be used along with others to attack Obama. Where are our 527's? Maybe because I live in a solid red state I am not seeing them, but I do not even see them on websites.

This is why we need to support groups like HumanEvents.com Help them get the word out because we all know the MSM isn't going to do it.

re: #11 Sparkizzy

Shana Tova to everyone. May this year be blessed with good things only.

Amen.

re: #38 Sharmuta

I'm convinced the Iraq Veterans for 0bama are a bunch of kids who signed up to get a free ride to college that are pissed they had to do actual military stuff.

We had those guys and gals in the first gulf war and I got stuck mobilizing them. Constant whining and complaining about how they just joined the Reserves/National Guard to get college benefits and a good retirement and they never thought they would have to fight. Broke my heart to be left behind to do their mobs when I could have been there and actually contributing. But I got told I was the "guy" and had to to my job while listening to a small percentage of them complain for their entire 10 day mob process.

I had about 15 out of 2,500 who got out on hardships. I suspect the other 5% of the whiners are the ones that are for Obama.

re: #29 stevieray

The MSM had a swooning crush on Obama last winter.

In 2004 they started swooning over him, Newweak had a big write up on him after the elections saying he would be president some day.

So Michale Moore believes the bailout is a Bush gambit to "rob the treasury"

[Link: www.michaelmoore.com...]

So then, how can your reconcile the Republicans voting against it? And the Dems jumping on it like a cash cow farm.

re: #38 Sharmuta

I'm convinced the Iraq Veterans for 0bama are a bunch of kids who signed up to get a free ride to college that are pissed they had to do actual military stuff.

Not all, but from my observation, likely a substantial majority. Some are just genuine liberals, and have no axe to grind, most are just pissed because they have no discipline or work ethic, no sense of a larger purpose, and they are getting yelled at all the time by a mean NCO, picking up an article 15 here and there. I will do a search, but one of the lefties prominent Iraq vet poster boys claimed he left the military because he disagreed with the war, then it was discovered he was chaptered out for drugs. That is when he discovered his opposition to the war. Go figure.

re: #35 MandyManners

I don't want to believe that the Obama candidacy and the mortgage financing mess are the result of deliberate sabotage, but I also believe that you may have something there with this Cloward-Pliven business. At the very least, some "Progressives" are very likely trying to manipulate events to bring about their long hoped-for revolution.

It's a done deal now, after McCain's recent screw-ups. Obama will be the next president. Nothing can stop him now.

Melanie Phillips says:

Small wonder Camp Obama is sensitive to the association. Klonsky, a professor of education and leader of the New Communist movement, was national secretary of the radical group Students for a Democratic Society. In 1969, he was one of five SDS members arrested at the organization’s Chicago national headquarters for assaulting a police officer, interfering with a firefighter, and inciting mob action. As Global Labor and Politics has reported, Klonsky went on to form a pro-Chinese sect called the October League that later became the Beijing-recognized Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist). As chairman of the party, Klonsky travelled to Beijing itself in 1977 and, literally, toasted the Chinese Stalinist leadership who, in turn, ‘hailed the formation of the CP(ML) as “reflecting the aspirations of the proletariat and working people,” effectively recognizing the group as the all-but-official US Maoist party.’ (Elbaum, Revolution in the Air, 228).
...
Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn are involved in an organisation uniting three Marxist parties, a host of ‘60s radicals and terrorists and a new generation of militant activists. That organisation has spawned a spin-off organisation specifically designed to put Barack Obama in the White House and to bring about massive social change across the US.

Barack Obama appears to sit on a nexus between Marxist revolutionary activists, unrepentant former terrorists...

...etc.

Yes, but John McCain also has past associations with communists! For five years, he lived in close quarters with known communists in a hotel in Hanoi, a known headquarters of the North Vietnamese communist movement! McCain spoke with them on a near daily basis, and gave them information. He also was heavily involved in negotiations between the North Vietnamese communists and the American government! One of his former hosts there even said he would endorse McCain for president!

So don't you dare point out Obama's communist past, or we'll point out McCain's communist past!

Hit that "Buzz Up!" with a lizardlanche, and see if this will make front page at Yahoo News.

this is what affirmative action has wrought.

re: #52 JohnnyReb

Thank you for confirming my suspicions.

Yeah- it really sucks when kids learn there are consequences to their actions. Perhaps we should allow them to opt out, but they get none of the benefits they wanted either. Any they already spent can go on their tax bill.

re: #54 Celtic Templar

So Michale Moore believes the bailout is a Bush gambit to "rob the treasury"

[Link: www.michaelmoore.com...]

So then, how can your reconcile the Republicans voting against it? And the Dems jumping on it like a cash cow farm.

Michael Moore is not a smart man, but he knows what love is. Honestly, he has his talking points before he knew what was going on (typical) and had a premature release, something he is probably used to anyway.

re: #57 Peter Verkooijen

It's a done deal now, after McCain's recent screw-ups. Obama will be the next president. Nothing can stop him now.

Chin up, man ... Voting stops him.

re: #57 Peter Verkooijen

You and Eide should set up a play date.

May I coin a term ... the Alinsky Machine?

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

Hit that "Buzz Up!" with a lizardlanche, and see if this will make front page at Yahoo News.

Thanks for the reminder, {Sleepy B.} This one should get Buzzed hard too.

If the democrats are willing to vote for certain defeat in Iraq, they are willing to do anything or align with anybody to win to win the White House. And the MSM is complicit. If tanking the economy guarantees the dems the White House, they'd do it. They tried the same nonsense with drilling. Nothing is beneath them.

re: #54 Celtic Templar

So Michale Moore believes the bailout is a Bush gambit to "rob the treasury"

[Link:

re: #66 Sharmuta

Done!

Time brings out all things...
The media as a 5th Column for anything that hurts America...
Acorn's Community Organizers as communist plants/agitators etc...
Has been Terrorists and a variety of enemies of Western Civilization fawning over one candidate...
Not everything can be hidden from everyone forever and this may be the single biggest landslide in US election history since Reagan...

re: #48 Son of the Black Dog

Please don't dignify Excalibur by implying that he was in Vietnam.

I'm not implying anything, he stated that he was directly.

just one of the bad deeds or associations that melanie phillips has listed abt. obama would have landed a non-minority candidate in the crapper.
obama, however gets a pass for EVERYTHING from the dems and msm.

re: #57 Peter Verkooijen

It's a done deal now, after McCain's recent screw-ups. Obama will be the next president. Nothing can stop him now.

Put down that Kool-Aid!

Have you really fallen for the propaganda?

This race is just getting started. Wild swings are in the offing. The last five days will be an apocalypse of mendacious verbiage and dirty tricks the likes of which we've never seen.

And then America will go into the voting booth, in deathly silence.

...

And then we'll throw out all the votes, unveil our faked Diebold ballots, and McCain will win handily!

re: #48 Son of the Black Dog

Please don't dignify Excalibur by implying that he was in Vietnam.

Does he know John Kerry?
I heard John Kerry was in Vietnam.

re: #43 maddogg

Did he say who he was with? I asked and got no reply when I called him on his 'I suppose you're one of those I put myself in harm's way for' comment.

For all I know he couldabeen ridin' a desk in the rear in '69.

fresh load of /sarc tags, coming through...
(just in time...)

re: #11 Sparkizzy

Shana Tova to everyone. May this year be blessed with good things only.

May you and your family be blessed in the coming year...
/You know what's great about a german being married to a jewish girl?
We get twice as many holidays as everyone else...
although when she said something about the year of awe.. I told her it was really the year of shock and awe..
lucky i can run fast!
Shana Tova

re: #75 Cap'n DOC

Did he say who he was with? I asked and got no reply when I called him on his 'I suppose you're one of those I put myself in harm's way for' comment.

For all I know he couldabeen ridin' a desk in the rear in '69.

I don't know, I lost interest and left quite a while ago.

re: #58 zombie

Geeesh, Zombie - do ya havetabe so harsh?

re: #75 Cap'n DOC

Did he say who he was with? I asked and got no reply when I called him on his 'I suppose you're one of those I put myself in harm's way for' comment.

For all I know he couldabeen ridin' a desk in the rear in '69.

He seemed like a 2-star arsehole to me...

No, there has never been. Add on top of all of these "character references" the elusiveness, inconsistency and lack of specificity to his proposals and you have a complete cipher. Can anyone really say what this man will do if he gets in the WH? At best, he will be a rubber stamp for the socialist Pelosi and Reid Congress. At worst, he will abuse his power in the same manner he's abused our rights during this campaign (truth squads, etc) to a horrifying extent. Who knows how bad things will go for all of us?

Unless McCain can pull this election out, I see dark, dark days for the US.

re: #55 kevinmumaw

Not all, but from my observation, likely a substantial majority. Some are just genuine liberals, and have no axe to grind, most are just pissed because they have no discipline or work ethic, no sense of a larger purpose, and they are getting yelled at all the time by a mean NCO, picking up an article 15 here and there. I will do a search, but one of the lefties prominent Iraq vet poster boys claimed he left the military because he disagreed with the war, then it was discovered he was chaptered out for drugs. That is when he discovered his opposition to the war. Go figure.

why does this not surprise me? A large number of the ones I have seen are fairly young. 18 to 25. To me, that means they knew damn well there was a war going on and that the ng would be called upon if it hadn't already been called upon (2003.) I had a very frank discussion with my daughter who was struggling with college tuition and her desire to sign up for the guard. She signed up and was stationed in AK. While there, she and her new hubby went full time army. they both re-upped when their terms ended and are both now sargeants. Another 12 years and they can retire.

re: #78 maddogg

Must be stuck in a misspelled rock somewhere.

re: #71 maddogg

I'm not implying anything, he stated that he was directly.

I wonder if that's why his nic is Excaliber (gun reference) and not Excalibur?

/and I saw his comments on the earlier thread. yikes.

re: #66 Sharmuta

Thanks for the reminder, {Sleepy B.} This one should get Buzzed hard too.

Heh, I need to get buzzed hard, but it's too early in the day, and I still have stuff to do.

/sure picked the wrong week to quit free-basing jet fuel

Palm Beach county is on its third set of voting machines and they are still having problems. If Obama doesn't win look for problems in Palm Beach county again... the heavy democrat county, run by democrats.

re: #74 jwb7605

Does he know John Kerry?
I heard John Kerry was in Vietnam.

Maybe what he meant to say was he was in VVAW...like this guy.

re: #57 Peter Verkooijen

And exactly how is Obama immune from repercussions from his own screw-ups?

re: #32 Tigger2005

I don't usually like to bother my neighbors, but there's some in my area with Obama signs, and I think I'm just going to ask them. I really want to know what it is. But I'm afraid it's not going to be a case of ignorance, or belief that all the bad stuff is just Fox News/Rush Limbaugh lies or smears, or anything even halfway logical. It's going to be irrational, it's going to be "feelings." How else could there be Iraqi veterans who SUPPORT the war and also support Obama, and think that he will prosecute the war better than Bush has?

Don't bother. I have tried so hard with 2 of my brothers. I have sent them so many links from LGF that I just can't do it anymore all they so is send me back emails like " I hear John McCain wears woman's underwear."

re: #19 Adrenalyn

yes, but the gun in this knife fight is the internet

people have been getting word out about Obama

and the democrat's killing any oversight of fannie and Freddie

lastly, don't believe the polls

it should be a landslide for McCain

but he has to unleash the hounds and NOT play nice

The way things are shaping up, it's more likely to be a landslide for Obama. The Republicans have dropped the ball badly today. Already, things were trending to Obama. If the nation is in full fledged financial meltdown come November, there just won't be any way for McCain to win enough swing states.

If Republicans are going to vote against this package, why should Democrats bail them out by forcing it through on a straight party-line vote? If the package is passed and it succeeds, it saves Republican bacon. If it is passed but it fails to stop the economic free fall, the Democrats own all the blame.

Boehner sees this. He tried to get it passed. But the public back home is in a foul mood, and not open to reason. Republican rank and file in Congress are already facing steep odds this election. If they offend their core voters, they lose whatever chance they might have had. Sorry to say this, but the Republican rank and file has miscalculated on this one. The consequences won't be pretty.

re: #82 Eowyn2

why does this not surprise me? A large number of the ones I have seen are fairly young. 18 to 25. To me, that means they knew damn well there was a war going on and that the ng would be called upon if it hadn't already been called upon (2003.) I had a very frank discussion with my daughter who was struggling with college tuition and her desire to sign up for the guard. She signed up and was stationed in AK. While there, she and her new hubby went full time army. they both re-upped when their terms ended and are both now sargeants. Another 12 years and they can retire.

That's excellent. 9 1/2 left for me.

re: #84 gop_patriot

I wonder if that's why his nic is Excaliber (gun reference) and not Excalibur?

/and I saw his comments on the earlier thread. yikes.

Occam's razor. He just can't spell.

re: #84 gop_patriot

I wonder if that's why his nic is Excaliber (gun reference) and not Excalibur?

/and I saw his comments on the earlier thread. yikes.

After earlier comments, I just called him butterknife, didn't notice the spelling reference

Pelosi was awfully charming. As was that jokester Barney Frank.

re: #58 zombie

Hey, I used to work with a woman whose brother-in-law was Mike Klonsky! 100% true...

Zom, did you get the email I sent you about this Sunday?

mccain should win by a landslide against such a loser.

re: #96 nyc redneck

should yes, but will he?

re: #58 zombie

You are so good!

right on m'man.

re: #61 Sharmuta

Thank you for confirming my suspicions.

Yeah- it really sucks when kids learn there are consequences to their actions. Perhaps we should allow them to opt out, but they get none of the benefits they wanted either. Any they already spent can go on their tax bill.

I am not sure that was confirmation, just my impressions. But after 22 years I have a good ear for sailors just bitching or sea lawyers with an personal axe to grind.

And we did let them opt out under certain circumstances. Family/monetary hardship and the like. It was just such a small number that actually had a real concern was the issue, significantly less than 1%. Each person recalled went through at least 3 suitability interviews, first myself and then Legal (or a Chaplain) and then their unit Commander. If they got a pass on two out of three, we discharged them for convenience of the government. No harm, no foul.

Oddly enough, we got more people who wanted to come in and stay on active duty and reenlisted regular Navy for 4 years plus when they got recalled. I can't remember the exact number, but it was pretty big. My guys were complaining about the number of regular Navy contracts they had to pump out.

re: #94 pat

Pelosi was awfully charming. As was that jokester Barney Frank.

can anyone understand what barney frank is saying? is he speaking english?

re: #56 FloridaAnole

I don't want to believe that the Obama candidacy and the mortgage financing mess are the result of deliberate sabotage, but I a