Any excuse for Congress to not ruin America is fine with me! Happy New Year!

L'shanah tovah

And may we all be here for the next.

Yaar, Happy New years! Charles, we are all brothers in arms here!

Thanks, Charles!

Actually, Rosh Hashanah literally means "head of the year." It's the New Year, and not a day of remembrance.
Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement.

And may we never forget Israel's simple right to exist. Complicated for some but not for the rest of us.

Happy New Year to the Chosen Lizards.

Shana Tova, dear lizard friends!

Hey Lizards! Happy New Year!

Shana Tovah!

Warmest wishes to the Jewish Lizards!

re: #5 Amy

But you can get rid of your sin, however. Just takes a stream -

I reminded my wife it is Rosh Hashana. Her response, "Oh fuck, shit...I've been eating like a pig."

Today is her 32nd birthday, there were office parties.

Shana Tova 5769!

Shana Tovah, lizards.

/Do we get a bonus in our Zionist Conspiracy checks?

Happy New Year to all.

Finally, good news!

re: #13 kevinmumaw

See above. =)

We do have a jacuzzi tub. Does that count?

Shana tova - a good year.

. . . , and today my daughter, Shana, told me she's gonna have a baby!

Thx Charles and to all the wonderful Lizards !

As always, it is an honor and a privilege to be a member of LGF.

Charles, any thoughts , Stinkyisms or resolutions in this New Year 5768 from Lao Stinky ?

re: #21 outsidephilly

Congratulations to all!

re: #21 outsidephilly

. . . , and today my daughter, Shana, told me she's gonna have a baby!

So it will indeed be a good year for you!
Wonderful.

re: #21 outsidephilly

. . . , and today my daughter, Shana, told me she's gonna have a baby!

Congrats! Mate!

L'Shana Tova.

How about some music from a nice Jewish boy?

can I go OT yet?

re: #19 kevinmumaw

Works for me - but I am probably not a great authority on this - I have not been very good at adhering to the tenets of Judaism and I do not know nearly as much as I should. I started going to Temple with AH (who is much, much better), and I understand its important for my children. It hit me again at my nephews Bris last week - yet you see where I am tonight.

re: #23 Pvt Bin Jammin

Congratulations to all!

Thank you! We're all very excited! Shana was recenly diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; she and her husband didn't expect this little bonus, again, we are all thrilled!

Special thoughts for the IDF, and Jewish members of our Armed Forces.

re: #28 ggt

can I go OT yet?

Yaar, your going to anyway, wait a few and give it your best shot!

So... I'm not hip to Jewish tradition, do I get to kiss a pretty girl at midnight?
/

Happy New Year to the Jewish Lizards.

Coincidentally, and perhaps inspirationally, it's also St. Michael's and All Angels Day. Somehow the overlap of these two observances strengthens my optimism and determination for the days ahead.

re: #21 outsidephilly

Mazal tov!

L' Shana Tova, indeed!

re: #28 ggt

can I go OT yet?

I sort of did that - I couldn't wait to share the news!

re: #29 ArmyWife

Works for me - but I am probably not a great authority on this - I have not been very good at adhering to the tenets of Judaism and I do not know nearly as much as I should. I started going to Temple with AH (who is much, much better), and I understand its important for my children. It hit me again at my nephews Bris last week - yet you see where I am tonight.

I have a nice glass of Sauvignon Blanc on my desk right now. And it is my second.

Going OT:

Nice news today that the MOAB failed. Of course the current meme is "Republican hissy fit" changed 12 votes.

I was looking at campaign promises made by a candidate:

"We will crack down on mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud by increasing and creating new criminal penalties" 7/18/07 Washington

"I'll close the loophole that allows investors with multiple homes to renegotiate their mortgage in bankruptcy court, but not victims of predatory lending." 2/13/08 Janesville, Wis

"Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive support to innocent homeowners." Blueprint for Change

"When I am President, the first part of my plan to combat urban poverty will be to replicate the Harlem Childrens Zone in 20 cities across the country." 7/18/07, Washington DC

"As President, I'll create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that would add as many as 112,000 new affordable units in mixed-income neighborhoods" 7/18/07 Washington DC

"I will also appoint a new Director of Urban Policy, who will cut though the disorganized bureaucracy that currently exists and report directly to me on how these efforts are going." 7/18/07, Washington DC

And the best for last:

Not pardon real estate developer Tony Rezko. Attributed to Obama spokesman Ben Labolt 6/5/08 Sun-Times. No wonder Rezko is talking his head off. ;-)>

re: #38 kevinmumaw

Well - here's to us and hopes that G-d has a great sense of humor.

re: #34 goddessoftheclassroom

Coincidentally, and perhaps inspirationally, it's also St. Michael's and All Angels Day. Somehow the overlap of these two observances strengthens my optimism and determination for the days ahead.

Goddess, we can use every bit of help we can get nowadays. Our leadership is in disarray and the news just gets worse...Arrrr!

re: #41 ArmyWife

Well - here's to us and hopes that G-d has a great sense of humor.

He does. And He passed it on to us. . .

May the Lord bless you and keep you
May he make his countenance to shine upon you
May he grant you Peace.

re: #41 ArmyWife

Well - here's to us and hopes that G-d has a great sense of humor.

Oh, clearly (He) does.

re: #44 lifeofthemind

May the Lord bless you and keep you
May he make his countenance to shine upon you
May he grant you Peace.

. . . , wonderful words!

re: #29 ArmyWife

you should be able to go to Tashlich tomorrow afternoon before evening services

re: #41 ArmyWife

Well - here's to us and hopes that G-d has a great sense of humor.

He does, He does

shana tovah to all my Jewish friends.

re: #34 goddessoftheclassroom

Coincidentally, and perhaps inspirationally, it's also St. Michael's and All Angels Day. Somehow the overlap of these two observances strengthens my optimism and determination for the days ahead.

Thanks, goddess. That gives me hope too.

Later mates, catch on the flip side!

Shanna Tovah to all my brothers and sisters and my non Jewish friends also.

Rosh HaShanna here in the US it's not as much fun. In Israel its like Christmas, shopping, dinners and parties, decorations, everyone is excited.

Shameless Spin-off plug or the Best example yet of why we don't want a Chicago politician in the Oval Office: "Cloward-Piven Strategy"

re: #24 reine.de.tout

Mazel Tov
Congratulations!

I'm glad Jan. 1st isn't a day of remembrance since every New Years day I can't seem to remember what the hell I did New Years eve, other than over-imbibing.

re: #37 outsidephilly

I lit up my nic --email me, will you?

May you have a New Year of peace my Jewish Lizard Family.

re: #54 cybermonk

Mazel Tov
Congratulations!

I think you got the wrong one. It's outsidephilly at 21 I think you wanted.

Happy new year!

Should auld acquaintance be forgot, and never brought to mind
Should auld acquaintance be forgot, and auld lang syne
For auld lang syne, my dear, for auld lang syne,
we’ll tak a cup o’ ...

Huh?

Oh.

Happy New Year my Jewish Lizard Friends!

blessings and warmest regards on the New Year.

A very happy new year to all our jewish friends.

/and I am out of here. Work sucks.

re: #52 cybermonk

Shanna Tovah to all my brothers and sisters and my non Jewish friends also.

Rosh HaShanna here in the US it's not as much fun. In Israel its like Christmas, shopping, dinners and parties, decorations, everyone is excited.

In my Russian class earlier this summer, we said in Russian what our favorite holiday was. The instructor asked me about Christmas. I said it was OK, but really just another day, and in fact, kind of a bad day since every thing shuts down. I had to admit, that is not the right phrase, that I was Jewish. Something I am pretty private about for obvious reasons. She looked at me like I was some kind of freak from that point on. She is a Kazakh and made it clear that the greatest insult in Russian culture is to call someone a Jew. I did Borat impressions the rest of the class. She hates Borat.

Wait. There are Joooos here?

/

The Houses of Rep. email is now working. Slow but working if anybody wants to email there Rep.
Sorry...off topic

From an ad that is on yahoo right now.

Presumption Fail

Check out the fourth ad.

Clearly, Lending Tree thought the bill would pass, and was already using that to sooth new customers into getting a new mortgage.

re: #15 Gang of One

Shana Tovah, lizards.

/Do we get a bonus in our Zionist Conspiracy checks?

*smile*

re: #66 Joan

*smile*

No, but since it is the first of the year, we do get a 3.4% increase in pay.

Why thank you, Charles!

L'Shanah Tova to all here!

re: #65 Silhouette

From an ad that is on yahoo right now.

Presumption Fail

Check out the fourth ad.

Clearly, Lending Tree thought the bill would pass, and was already using that to sooth new customers into getting a new mortgage.

I can't believe they've let that ad stay up.

Some of you might remember my girlfriend died back in March and suicide was the probable cause,well after 6 months we finally got the autopsy report from the State of Tenn. M.E....yes this length of time is actually short,can take up to a year... she died of a massive heart attack and must have knocked a bottle of pills over while in distress making it look like she had taken her life.Her toxocology was clean as well as no alcohol present or any other substance.She was bi-polar and with the pills on the floor it sure looked bad...never assume anything,coincidence can lead to all sorts of conclusions.I was for 6 months a suicide survivor,and my heart will forever more go out to all who are,I cannot explain the hell in words...heart disease is not gender specific,she would talk of all the males in her family dying in their 40`s,her dad,grandfather,2 uncles and a lot of others...little did we know,she was 44 and looked and acted in perfect health and died of the exact same type of heart disease...sorry for the OT but wanted to set the record straight!

re: #41 ArmyWife

Well - here's to us and hopes that G-d has a great sense of humor.

If he didn't have such a great sense of humor, would he have made liberals? I mean, look at their events. Huge puppets, little puppets, drummers, people in orange suits, people in costumes, people on stilts, horrible pink costumes, inflated scrotums, and hags with breasts hanging down past their waists, etc...

That's terrible!

There is a neat little graphic about a 1/3 of the way down in that shameleess spin-off plug that is very interesting. I can't seem to copy and paste it for you-all.

help!

As extremely unpopular as this must sound, it must be said. Rosh Hashanah is not an American holiday. Congress should be at work fixing the banking crisis.

The reply/quote thingies are not working for me.

So, Reply to Silhouette's #65

She (I am almost certain Silhouette is a she) said;

"Clearly, Lending Tree thought the bill would pass, and was already using that to sooth new customers into getting a new mortgage."

Which is part an parcel the main reason I was against this whole deal. Give us five years, we'd be five times as deep.

This (for a conservative) defines the word dilemma, and gives another definition to "cognitive dissonance".

re: #71 gibsonz

{gibsonz} Glad you were able to share that...what a HUGE relief for you, so many questions answered. I know there is no joy in such a heartbreaker, but there is great joy in knowing the cuase of death was NOT by her own hand.
Thank You, G-d of all flesh!

re: #71 gibsonz

So sorry to hear of your loss. As much as a relief as the autopsy report was, I know it makes fresh lots of memories and feelings.

Take care!

re: #14 twincitiesgirl

Shana Tova 5769!

Let's party like it's 5743!

L'shanah tovah!

re: #75 freedomplow

As extremely unpopular as this must sound, it must be said. Rosh Hashanah is not an American holiday. Congress should be at work fixing the banking crisis.

My hope is that they will back off a bit and do something like Newt Gingrich proposed on Greta's show tonight.

re: #75 freedomplow

As extremely unpopular as this must sound, it must be said. Rosh Hashanah is not an American holiday. Congress should be at work fixing the banking crisis.

Get over it.
It's as "American" a holiday as Christmas.

re: #75 freedomplow

As extremely unpopular as this must sound, it must be said. Rosh Hashanah is not an American holiday. Congress should be at work fixing the banking crisis.

Nope. What's going on now is the old bum's rush.

Never ever do a deal under emotional pressure.

re: #75 freedomplow

Do you feel the same about Christmas? Easter? Just askin'

re: #30 outsidephilly
Will this be your first grandchild?

HNY! What year does this make it then?

re: #72 Outrider

Thank you. I feel better already!

Anybody having trouble with LGF? Hit reply? takes me back to the front page. ding somebody? takes me back to the front page.

Poop!

re: #71 gibsonz

I'm glad that terrible burden had been lifted from your heart.

re: #85 ploome hineni

Why what? Believe who?

re: #34 goddessoftheclassroom

Coincidentally, and perhaps inspirationally, it's also St. Michael's and All Angels Day. Somehow the overlap of these two observances strengthens my optimism and determination for the days ahead.

Michael the Archangel, in my own "faith tradition" he is the warrior prince, protector of the Jewish people.

Now that you mention it--it does give me hope! Real hope, not the slogan. Reminds me that one of the best things McCain has said in the campaign, IMHO, "Nothing is inevitable!" Our choices matter. Wow, I better watch Lord of the Rings. I'm getting sentimental...

re: #71 gibsonz

Some of you might remember my girlfriend died back in March and suicide was the probable cause,well after 6 months we finally got the autopsy report from the State of Tenn. M.E....yes this length of time is actually short,can take up to a year... she died of a massive heart attack and must have knocked a bottle of pills over while in distress making it look like she had taken her life.Her toxocology was clean as well as no alcohol present or any other substance.She was bi-polar and with the pills on the floor it sure looked bad...never assume anything,coincidence can lead to all sorts of conclusions.I was for 6 months a suicide survivor,and my heart will forever more go out to all who are,I cannot explain the hell in words...heart disease is not gender specific,she would talk of all the males in her family dying in their 40`s,her dad,grandfather,2 uncles and a lot of others...little did we know,she was 44 and looked and acted in perfect health and died of the exact same type of heart disease...sorry for the OT but wanted to set the record straight!

I'm sorry to hear about your girlfriend! It must have been a really rough 6 months, thinking it was suicide. Thank g-d for modern technology and our ability to accurately set the record straight!

Tonight is as good a night as any to start fresh and move on...

Shana Tova ve Metuka!

Cool, a holiday. What's for dinner?

re: #71 gibsonz

Some of you might remember my girlfriend died back in March and suicide was the probable cause,well after 6 months we finally got the autopsy report from the State of Tenn. M.E....yes this length of time is actually short,can take up to a year... she died of a massive heart attack and must have knocked a bottle of pills over while in distress making it look like she had taken her life.Her toxocology was clean as well as no alcohol present or any other substance.She was bi-polar and with the pills on the floor it sure looked bad...never assume anything,coincidence can lead to all sorts of conclusions.I was for 6 months a suicide survivor,and my heart will forever more go out to all who are,I cannot explain the hell in words...heart disease is not gender specific,she would talk of all the males in her family dying in their 40`s,her dad,grandfather,2 uncles and a lot of others...little did we know,she was 44 and looked and acted in perfect health and died of the exact same type of heart disease...sorry for the OT but wanted to set the record straight!

I am so sorry to read your words. And you're so right, heart disease is NOT gender specific. Thank you for taking time during this period of grief to get the word out!

Also known as Yom Teruah, the "day of Blowing (the shofar, or ram's horn )". Celebrated in Messianic communities as picturing the return of Messiah at the last , or 7th trumpet mentioned in both the OT and NT. Shalom Shabbat to all who look for Messiah!

Since this thread is in honor of those of the Jewish persuasion -- can I ask a really stupid question?

Why is it spelled G-d?

That doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not trying to offend anybody.

Israel is a blessing to all of mankind.

A very happy Rosh Hashanah to those who are celebrating.

At least something good can come of this day.

re: #71 gibsonz

I am relieved for you. Warmth and good wishes being sent your way.

L'shanah tovah to all Jewish lizards. A welcome respite from the bad news, too.

Shana Tova

Gibsonz

Talk about death from a thousand paper cuts. You've been through hell.

My heart breaks for you.

re: #96 West Coast Freedom

Cool, a holiday. What's for dinner?

You've gotta wait for the cookbook to be finished!

re: #71 gibsonz

...sorry for the OT but wanted to set the record straight!

God bless you. I hope you will find peace.

Ugh, just saw a clip on Fox where Obama was exhorting dems and Republicans in Congress to "get it done."

Senator? You and your running mate are 2% of the Senate. Why don't you go to Washington and get yourself on the record?

Lots of "uhs," too. It'll be a delightful 4 years living through the Messiah's stuttering while the MSM keeps tellig us how wonderfully articulate he is.

re: #93 Joan

Michael the Archangel, in my own "faith tradition" he is the warrior prince, protector of the Jewish people.

Now that you mention it--it does give me hope! Real hope, not the slogan. Reminds me that one of the best things McCain has said in the campaign, IMHO, "Nothing is inevitable!" Our choices matter. Wow, I better watch Lord of the Rings. I'm getting sentimental...

Name of my daughter's school - St. Michael the Archangel.

re: #71 gibsonz

Some of you might remember my girlfriend died back in March and suicide was the probable cause,well after 6 months we finally got the autopsy report from the State of Tenn. M.E....yes this length of time is actually short,can take up to a year... she died of a massive heart attack and must have knocked a bottle of pills over while in distress making it look like she had taken her life.Her toxocology was clean as well as no alcohol present or any other substance.She was bi-polar and with the pills on the floor it sure looked bad...never assume anything,coincidence can lead to all sorts of conclusions.I was for 6 months a suicide survivor,and my heart will forever more go out to all who are,I cannot explain the hell in words...heart disease is not gender specific,she would talk of all the males in her family dying in their 40`s,her dad,grandfather,2 uncles and a lot of others...little did we know,she was 44 and looked and acted in perfect health and died of the exact same type of heart disease...sorry for the OT but wanted to set the record straight!

I'm sorry to hear about your loss...May she Rest In Peace and give you peace as well now.

re: #62 kevinmumaw

Her loss, I come from a Russian background too. the hatred still runs deep in Russia.

re: #75 freedomplow

As extremely unpopular as this must sound, it must be said. Rosh Hashanah is not an American holiday. Congress should be at work fixing the banking crisis.

Neither is Christmas..Some things in this world extend beyond borders..
/good luck on that Congress thing fixing the economy

re: #92 ploome hineni

I'm glad it's happening. It will slow everything down, and hopefully allow Pelosi to get over herself.

/wishful thinking

re: #84 ArmyWife

Do you feel the same about Christmas? Easter? Just askin'

All for making Rosh Hashanah a national holiday.

re: #113 Palandine

I'm glad it's happening. It will slow everything down, and hopefully allow Pelosi to get over herself.

/wishful thinking

Any days that Congress is not in session are great days for the republic.

I am assuming that LGF is working okay for everyone else. This will frustrate me so much that I will have a difficult time enjoying the holiday.

Okay, gentile here, so again...happy new year. I'm going away now.

Sigh.

Pelosi needs to accept that she is not Queen, but Speaker of the House.

re: #111 cybermonk

Her loss, I come from a Russian background too. the hatred still runs deep in Russia.

In her defense, she was hot...and also she was stating it as fact, not as her personal opinion. Nonetheless, she got a dose of Borat no Kazakh could withstand.

re: #99 jwb7605

Since this thread is in honor of those of the Jewish persuasion -- can I ask a really stupid question?

Why is it spelled G-d?

That doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not trying to offend anybody.

Sometimes it's out of reverence, sometimes it's done "'cause we've always done it that way"

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank you and thank you to all...you are right, it was a long six months.

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody having trouble with LGF? Hit reply? takes me back to the front page. ding somebody? takes me back to the front page.

Poop!

Yes. I've been having the same problem.

re: #119 least

Sometimes it's out of reverence, sometimes it's done "'cause we've always done it that way"

Thanks! Both make sense now.

Making Rosh Hashana a public holiday might cause issues with some people.

Thanks Summersong. How'd you quote me?

LGF is broke. So am I. So are the fat cats. Eerybodys broke!

re: #112 HoosierHoops

Neither is Christmas..Some things in this world extend beyond borders..
/good luck on that Congress thing fixing the economy

Christmas is a federal holiday.

35 days until the election. The following is the remaining debate schedule:

October 2, 2008: (Tickets) Vice Presidential debate, Washington University, St. Louis, MO

October 7, 2008: (Tickets) Presidential debate in a town hall format, Belmont University, Nashville, TN - Submit a Question

October 15, 2008: (Tickets) Presidential debate with domestic policy focus, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY

McCain and Sarah have to do MUCH better to offset the financial crisis. Obambi has opened a 6 to 8 percent lead depending on the poll; even factoring in oversampling of demonrats, that's a healthy lead. Time for the gloves to come off. I believe that if both Sarah and McCain go for the jugular they can fluster Slow Joe and Obambi and gain some traction in key states. But my BP is going to be elevated for the next 35 days.

re: #120 gibsonz

Thank you and thank you to all...you are right, it was a long six months.

My best wishes and prayers out to you...I feel your broken heart.
kind regards

gibsonz- if you are still here, here is a link to look up some survivor support groups if you're interested in still assisting those who's hearts are still burdened.

re: #123 EIDE_Interface

Making Rosh Hashana a public holiday might cause issues with some people.

And not with others.
Cheer up, would you?

re: #120 gibsonz

Thank you and thank you to all...you are right, it was a long six months.

Is your avatar a picture of her?

re: #123 EIDE_Interface

Making Rosh Hashana a public holiday might cause issues with some people.

Any holiday will create issues for some people

re: #123 EIDE_Interface

Making Rosh Hashana a public holiday might cause issues with some people.

It would be interesting to see those people step up to complain.

re: #132 Outrider

Any holiday will create issues for some people

Yeah but then you have to have Kwanza day, and other obscure holidays.

BTW, I'm giving Megan McCardle hell over her fear mongering. She's such a joke, pretending to be a libertarian!

re: #82 reine.de.tout

Get over it.
It's as "American" a holiday as Christmas.

____________________
I believe in holiday "reciprocity". I had a Jewish friend work my Christmas shift if I would work his holiday [don't remember which].

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Yeah but then you have to have Kwanza day, and other obscure holidays.

Kwanza isn't one day, it is a week. Dec 26-Jan 1st.

re: #125 Typicalwhitey

Christmas is a federal holiday.

Hey typical..how are you?
So can't we make everybodies holidays national?
I'm thinking 60 days a year off..whatta think?
/you know..like the congress vacation schedule...please?

re: #119 least

Sometimes it's out of reverence, sometimes it's done "'cause we've always done it that way"

Full disclsure: not Jewish.

My understanding is that The Name (the one that begins with a Y) should not be in any form where it can be destroyed. Observant Jews don't put it out on the Internet. Many have extended that to the word God.

Interestingly enough, Pope Benedict recently put in place some rules to increase our (Catholics') reverence for The Name. We're not going to be singing it in songs anymore, among other things. I hope that does something to aid Christian-Jewish friendship.

re: #124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks Summersong. How'd you quote me?

LGF is broke. So am I. So are the fat cats. Eerybodys broke!

Haha! I don't know! Maybe it's fixed?

Thank you Charles.

Good evening and happy holiday to the Jewish lizards out there.

re: #136 right_on_target

____________________
I believe in holiday "reciprocity". I had a Jewish friend work my Christmas shift if I would work his holiday [don't remember which].

That is right_on_target ! Doesn't matter which. Upding!

[Link: www.opednews.com...] Hey i think this is important i linked up ^ but wanted to know what anyone thought specifically page 3

May our Jewish lizards have a happy and blessed new year! And may, "They go from strength to strength until each appears before G-d in Zion".

(from the 84th Psalm, which is my favorite)

This will drive me crazy, therefore, off to bed for me.

I will dream dreams of dinging, replying, quoting, and making a general nuisence of myself and see you on the earlies.

OT

Cattt has linked to an interview with Karl Rove.

You have got to listen to it. Dynamite stuff.

Cattt's link needs to be dinged up.

L'shanah tovah!
May we all rise to the call of our creator to be bearers of love and light in the midst of our troubled world.

Damn spell checker doesn't work either. But; you know what I mean.

re: #143 jwb7605

Except Kwanza week. That holiday was made up. Its about as real as Talk Like A Pirate Day (or month, if you are loflyer).

l'shana tova may all our names be written.

Typical whitey are you here?

re: #83 The Shadow Do

Nope. What's going on now is the old bum's rush.

Never ever do a deal under emotional pressure.

Yeah, the stock market only lost over a trillion dollars in value today.

/let's rack it up for a while until $770 billion seems like a bargain

re: #128 Sharmuta

Thank you, most never escape the hell suicide leaves behind and knowing thier grief is beyond explanation.

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This will drive me crazy, therefore, off to bed for me.

I will dream dreams of dinging, replying, quoting, and making a general nuisence of myself and see you on the earlies.

Good night, FBV...see you in the morning.

re: #131 Typicalwhitey

Yes it is!

But Obama received $20,000 from the first kickback paid in the pension fund scheme and the straw donors used to funnel the $10,000 payments, Elie Maloof and Joseph Aramanda, also made $1,000 contributions to Obama's failed run for Congress in 2000

excerpt from article [Link: www.opednews.com...]

re: #138 HoosierHoops

Hey typical..how are you?
So can't we make everybodies holidays national?
I'm thinking 60 days a year off..whatta think?
/you know..like the congress vacation schedule...please?

I quit working 2 years ago so I get 365 days off a year! ;)
How are you doing?
For all my faxing and emailing about the Obama "troof squads" I have received one reply.

I guess all those in Washington are too damn busy doing.....what is it they do again?

LOL

We are all lab rats now. Charles is experimenting up top, saying things that sound Greek to me!

re: #156 gibsonz

Yes it is!

She is quite beautiful

re: #142 3 wood

Good evening and happy holiday to the Jewish lizards out there.

Hey 3 wood! Glad you made it! I am interested in hearing your thoughts regarding, WHAT NOW?, what with The Deal falling through. You may have stated that earlier today and i missed it.

re: #160 Typicalwhitey

typical would you check out this link and give me an opinion page 3 on this portion of series

re: #162 willowone

[Link: www.opednews.com...]

re: #156 gibsonz

Yes it is!

oh..what a lovey..beautiful woman..she has joy in her face..
May God bring peace to your heart...

re: #150 ArmyWife

Except Kwanza week. That holiday was made up. Its about as real as Talk Like A Pirate Day (or month, if you are loflyer).

roger that.
As a Scoutmaster, I used to encourage the scouts to get their Boy Scout religious merit badges.
If we took a federal day off for all the religions recognized by the federal government, we'd never get mail delivered.

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Yeah but then you have to have Kwanza day, and other obscure holidays.

How long would it take for the Muslims to get into the act...

re: #159 ArmyWife

Suddenly I'm craving cheese...

re: #81 jwb7605

Shana Tova, we need one !
I've wondered the same thing - why should Congress be off?
I can just hear all the talk now - see it's the Jew's fault - they run the govt., economy, etc. etc.
How or who should we get in touch with to urge that they follow Newt's good advise to cancel the mark to market rule? I spoke to a friend of mine earlier today who is a CFO, and that was exactly his suggestion.

re: #153 Killian Bundy

Yeah, the stock market only lost over a trillion dollars in value today.

/let's rack it up for a while until $770 billion seems like a bargain

I'm sorry, but aren't those two different kinds of money? One is investor funds, and one is taxpayer funds?

I was reluctantly accepting of the bailout bill, as many were. But even if they had passed the bill, the two groups of funds are still fundamentally different, aren't they?

The "fed funds" would buy up securities and that might make the market happy for a while, but nothing would have fundamentally changed in the rules. Why can't a real change be made in how these securities are traded? Can't that happen in addition to some sort of "buy-out/bailout"?

re: #136 right_on_target

____________________
I believe in holiday "reciprocity". I had a Jewish friend work my Christmas shift if I would work his holiday [don't remember which].

A store here in town used to do the same thing.

And at the office where I used to work, office decorations in December would reflect both faiths. And the person most excited about doing the decorating was our resident Buddhist!

And nobody grumbled over days off.
sheesh.

'night all - thanks for your best wishes!

re: #159 ArmyWife

We are all lab rats now. Charles is experimenting up top, saying things that sound Greek to me!

I'm going there, because I know a bit of Greek.
And quoting:
re: #8 Pvt Bin Jammin

Shana Tova, dear lizard friends!

re: #99 jwb7605

Since this thread is in honor of those of the Jewish persuasion -- can I ask a really stupid question?

Why is it spelled G-d?

That doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not trying to offend anybody.

It's cause He don't like "o"'s.

re: #162 willowone

typical would you check out this link and give me an opinion page 3 on this portion of series

Are you the author?

So I hear the House will not even reconvene until Thursday. Now that is real leadership.

re: #156 gibsonz

Yes it is!

What a nice looking woman. Great smile, kind eyes.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

re: #6 freedombilly

And may we never forget Israel's simple right to exist.

And to defend itself.

re: #169 Intrepid

I'm sorry, but aren't those two different kinds of money? One is investor funds, and one is taxpayer funds?

Well I can only speak for myself, but this taxpayer happens to also be an investor.

re: #169 Intrepid

I'm sorry, but aren't those two different kinds of money? One is investor funds, and one is taxpayer funds?

Seriously, what's the difference? Think about it carefully.

/investors are taxpayers and vice versa

re: #174 Typicalwhitey
no , i want to ask if this has wheels, and how do i find out if writer is reputable

re: #144 willowone

[Link: www.opednews.com...] Hey i think this is important i linked up ^ but wanted to know what anyone thought specifically page 3

I have to spend time rereading it. OpEdNews is a liberal site and printing this story?

yes

re: #71 gibsonz

Deepest sympathies to you...
/my family did survive the suicide of a family member. I know the hell you went through. (In our case there were no doubts).

re: #181 ploome hineni

Point taken :)

OT

Obama & McSame@ cafe'press:

Barack Obama merchandise...

John McSame merchandise...

No liberal bias there... /do I?

re: #178 Mich-again

Well I can only speak for myself, but this taxpayer happens to also be an investor.

But they come from different sources - your tax dollars would be used to replace funds in ways that would "bail out" the mistakes of others, who may or may not be "tax payers" or "investors", all because of bad loans they either took out or granted to those who couldn't afford them.

Am I being too "dichotomous" here?

re: #182 Outrider
it's where i found it
[Link: aolsearcht7.search.aol.com...]

re: #173 M. Bensson-Levi

Best answer I found : )

Why do many people write God with a dash ("G-d")?

We do not write G-d's name in a place where it may be discarded or erased. Treating G-d's name with reverence is a way to give respect to G-d. So...

[Link: www.opednews.com...] Evelyn Pringle is a columnist for OpEd News and investigative journalist focused on exposing corruption in government and corporate America.

Time to call it a night...see you in the morning Lizards.

re: #178 Mich-again

Well I can only speak for myself, but this taxpayer happens to also be an investor.

I'm in my 30s, so I don't get to retire for more than 30 years. I haven't touched or looked at my 401k or TSP. My grandfather, who never made more than $3 an hour but died with more than 200k in investments, always said when times were bad you were getting more shares.

/and this was a guy who FARMED in Missouri throughout the great depression, so he knew about hard times.

I presume those who were getting close to retirement got into conservative investments. When the economy comes back, I'm going to have a shitload of shares in my retirement to go up.

I'm not worried about the stock market; I'm worried about the whole "some companies do payroll on credit so some people won't get paid on Friday" thing, but I hope that threat was oversold.

Not an economist, and did not stay at Holiday Inn Express, but I bet tomorrow won't be worse than another 200 points.

re: #183 ploome hineni

Christmas is my favorite holiday

I love decorating my office

LOL!
I bet you do.
I heard Dr. Laura say once that she found herself in the mall, humming along with the Christmas music.

I don't post much, but I'm here. Have been for a few years. Happy New Year. I just wanted to chime in... le chaim. shana tova. baruch hashem!

re: #153 Killian Bundy

Yeah, the stock market only lost over a trillion dollars in value today.

/let's rack it up for a while until $770 billion seems like a bargain

That 770B may be a simple toilet flush if not managed properly

re: #188 Intrepid

But they come from different sources - your tax dollars would be used to replace funds in ways that would "bail out" the mistakes of others, who may or may not be "tax payers" or "investors", all because of bad loans they either took out or granted to those who couldn't afford them.

Am I being too "dichotomous" here?

You're going to pay either way.

/and not breaking the credit freeze is going to be more expensive by an order of magnitude as our economy grinds to a near halt, could even spread globally

re: #99 jwb7605

Since this thread is in honor of those of the Jewish persuasion -- can I ask a really stupid question?

Why is it spelled G-d?

That doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not trying to offend anybody.

Although I am not Jewish, I can answer this question.

The root of this practice is found in the Ten Commandments: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

In deference to this command, the Name God gave for Himself to Moses (c. 1250BCE), spelled Yod, He, Vav, He when spoken was replaced with the title Adonai "Lord" to avoid accidentally misusing His name. This Name is sometimes called the Tetragrammaton ("the Four Letters") or HaShem ("the Name") rather than actually saying the Name. Over time, other references to God began to be treated with a similar respect so that words like God are not written in a pronounceable form: G-d.

In an similar way, in old handwritten Christian Bibles abbreviations were frowned upon except for abbreviations having to do with God, His titles, holy prophets and patriarchs and other holy people and angels. While regular medieval texts abbreviated everywhere, the usual practice for Bibles was that ordinary words were spelled out fully and only the most important words were abbreviated.

re: #196 txlady

I don't post much, but I'm here. Have been for a few years. Happy New Year. I just wanted to chime in... le chaim. shana tova. baruch hashem!

Well dang it..don't be shy..love to have you post more..
Happy new year fellow lizard!

re: #189 willowone

it's where i found it
[Link: aolsearcht7.search.aol.com...]

Guess we'll have to see what Rezko says now that he wants to talk.

re: #188 Intrepid

I see the dichotomy, but when the market tanks it sure seems to affect all stocks, not just the "guilty parties". Even if you hold a variety of diversified mutual funds I doubt your portfolio escaped the losses. Except for the bonds, cash funds and precious metals. Its all interconnected.

i hope this sprouts wings quickly

re: #197 The Shadow Do

That 770B may be a simple toilet flush if not managed properly

Well, whatever, the patient is currently bleeding out profusely.

/stabilize first, figure out the rest later

re: #180 willowone

no , i want to ask if this has wheels, and how do i find out if writer is reputable

I have read elsewhere that Rezko is making a deal to talk before sentencing. This will come about before the election, so if he has any dirt on Obama, he will spill it in order to get a lighter sentence.
The dollar amount that Rezko raised, the 1/4 million is incorrect. It is around 160k.
The tie to the Iraqi business man is also correct.
Here is a link to the Chicago Tribune with the headline:

Attorneys tell AP that Ill. political fixer Rezko visits courthouse; they believe he's talking

snip:

Rezko, 53, a one-time millionaire real estate developer and fast-food entrepreneur, raised funds for many Illinois politicians — more than $1 million for Blagojevich. And in return he became one of the governor's key advisers.
He also raised money for Obama's Illinois campaigns but not for his presidential bid. Obama has donated $159,000 in Rezko-related contributions to charity.

Interesting article.
Here is another link to other stories from the Tribune.

Hope this helps.
Personally, I believe that Obama is hip deep in the Chicago money machine.
I also, personally believe that Rezko had dirt on Obama that he is going to exchange for a lighter sentence.
We'll see.

re: #204 willowone

i hope this sprouts wings quickly

Nothing regarding that man sprouts wings quickly if it is detrimental to his cause.

re: #199 ploome hineni

when I went to school, we began the day singing a hymn

And did you pretend to be mouthing the words while thinking bawdy thoughts?

re: #154 gibsonz

Thank you, most never escape the hell suicide leaves behind and knowing thier grief is beyond explanation.

Yeah- I know.

re: #202 Outrider

alos this[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

re: #161 Wishing

Hey 3 wood! Glad you made it! I am interested in hearing your thoughts regarding, WHAT NOW?, what with The Deal falling through. You may have stated that earlier today and i missed it.

Well this morning I predicted the market dropping at least 300 points and got called a twit among other things for saying that.

My thoughts:

I did not like the bill all that much either but it was better than nothing in my view. But, the reality is the plan got voted down and we then lost (by that I mean everybody out there owning stock) over a trillion dollars in capital out of the market today. I think we will loose another trillion or so tomorrow. Multiply that by a factor of ten and you start to get a feel for the economic damage this screwing around is doing.

Those lost trillions would have paid for the plan, bad as it was, several times over. GM is out of credit now. Other businesses are running out of credit. The damage to the economy is adding up.

Never the less, there are several things that can be done tomorrow without Congress. I just heard Gingrich a little while ago, and it was very similar to some of what I've been saying.

1. The SEC needs to waive the mark to market rule tomorrow morning before the markets open, That would create several hundred billion in liquidity instantly.

2. The SEC needs to reinstate the "uptick" rule on short sales.

3. The Treasury needs to get the FDIC to raise the insurance on deposits up to at least $1 million per. $2 million would be better. That would help stop the cash drain from the banks.

4. They need to start drafting an insurance plan (won't work but will at least get passed) and drop the buy out plan (would have worked but will never pass).

5. Look for the Fed to do a half point discount rate drop, the market has already priced it in.

The Asian markets are melting down tonight last I saw, down another 6% to 7% and counting, look for another severe drop on Wall Street tomorrow.

I think unemployment will get to 10%.

I think several hundred banks will fold.

re: #206 Typicalwhitey thank you for link

re: #206 Typicalwhitey

Interesting article.
Here is another link to other stories from the Tribune.

Hope this helps.
Personally, I believe that Obama is hip deep in the Chicago money machine.
I also, personally believe that Rezko had dirt on Obama that he is going to exchange for a lighter sentence.
We'll see.

Eh, we'll see. Hope Rezko doesn't have an accident in the shower room before then.

re: #206 Typicalwhitey

I have read elsewhere that Rezko is making a deal to talk before sentencing. This will come about before the election, so if he has any dirt on Obama, he will spill it in order to get a lighter sentence.

Then again, depending on what the political loyalties of the the prosecutors are, Rezco may get a lighter sentence to keep quiet about his ties to Obama.

L'shanah tovah

re: #206 Typicalwhitey
excellant thank you

Well, what is for sure is that we will not see another bill on the table to be considered until Wednesday, when the Senate comes back. So the congress-folk have a couple of days to prove to us they can do the job we elected them to do.

And the markets will fly all over the place, I'm sure.

Given the fact that housing prices inflated so grotesquely for the past number of years and bottomed out in the past year, the DOW might do so as well.

What might be considered is that the Fed and Treasury would go into something like an "appropriations bill" mode - offering only the minimum amounts necessary in order to keep the credit market flowing. But pin-pointed for the business lending industry, in order to keep businesses going.

Just until a better bill can be passed.

re: #215 Mich-again

Then again, depending on what the political loyalties of the the prosecutors are, Rezco may get a lighter sentence to keep quiet about his ties to Obama.

Federal court isn't it?

A READER AT A MAJOR NEWSROOM EMAILS: "Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working." I asked permission to reprint without attribution and it was granted.

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

re: #211 3 wood

I don't know about the twit thing 3 wood..all day people were logging in wondering what 3 wood had to say about today...
Somebody around noon logged in and wondered if you were stuck in a dark closet with a bottle of burbon and a pistol in hand..Laughed alot about that..How did it go today?

re: #213 ploome hineni

no

I was very ernest

I'm an alumna of the University of Notre Dame.

Coach Knute Rockne, of blessed memory, although a Protestant, used to make the football team go to Mass every day.

Different times, you could never get away with that now, probably even in a private school, but it was probably good for discipline.

re: #213 ploome hineni

no

I was very ernest

ah.
Wish I could have seen that.

I wasn't earnest at all.
I pretended to mouth the words while thinking bawdy thoughts.
Probably why the nuns once or twice made me stand with my nose in a circle drawn on the board.

re: #211 3 wood

Why is the SEC and the T balking at the obvious, I wonder?

Happy New Year, Friends.

Ya gotta be kidding me!

Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure

He made NO CALLS to the Dems to persuade them to vote yes on this and yet he says it should be passed.

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

Thats real leadership for ya.

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

Ya gotta be kidding me!

He made NO CALLS to the Dems to persuade them to vote yes on this and yet he says it should be passed.

He is too busy looking like The One and blaming McCain.

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

Ya gotta be kidding me!

He made NO CALLS to the Dems to persuade them to vote yes on this and yet he says it should be passed.

He was present. Well, not really.

re: #220 Typicalwhitey
i read that earlier, isn't this all creepy as hell!

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

Ya gotta be kidding me!

He made NO CALLS to the Dems to persuade them to vote yes on this and yet he says it should be passed.

There were strange bedfellows on the no side of this vote in Missouri:

Todd Akin (R), a strong, strong conservative was against it
...as was William Lacy Clay (D), whose north St. Louis constituency will turn in probably above 100% for Obama

One thought there was too much socialism, the other was probably peeved about the whole ACORN thing.

/come and get me, St. Louis prosecutor!

All this talk of angels and stuff... you might find it interesting that History Channel International tonight has a thing on the history and understanding of angels. Of how our image of angels changed, where the ideas about them we think of today came from, and so on. Really interesting. It is followed by a thing on the nature of the 10 commandments (which I'm watching now), and how our understanding of them have changed. Some of our interpretations of them have been completely wrong.

re: #229 reine.de.tout

re: #226 Typicalwhitey

hehe but if they "wanted him" he'd be there, humming

re: #228 Mich-again

Leadership you can'(t) believe in. This guy wont stick his neck out for anything.

It's time to ask him a Dukakis type question and watch him squirm.

re: #211 3 wood

Interesting assessment 3: i think there will be a lot of *fixing things* in the next week, and you are right on the mark to market thing. I hope they do that immediately. (And thank you for your explanations, hardly the product of a twit..that was so over the top) ((and i think he regretted saying it))
How did the interveiw go?

re: #230 The Shadow Do

He was present. Well, not really.

No, he was waiting for the phone call! After all, he said "If you need me, call me".

Evidently the house dems didn't think he'd be all that helpful.

So they didn't dial his number.

That shows how much they think of Barack Obama.

re: #231 ploome hineni

lol,I can see it now

the Jewish boys loved to go out with Catholic convent girls, they were the hotties
lol

I know those Catholic girls! They came over the wall of St Mary of the Woods like a jail break after 11:00PM. Bless 'em all!

Obama is sitting this out licking his chops thinking about all those angry voters. Its all about him winning in November, not about doing what is best for the USA.

did you all see my Shameless Spin-Off Plug from the previous thread?

I'm reposting because I really think it is important information.

re: #194 Palandine

Not an economist, and did not stay at Holiday Inn Express, but I bet tomorrow won't be worse than another 200 points.

The Nikkei is down another 5543 right now, the FTSE over 400

You can double and maybe triple that 200 tomorrow. I expect the DOW to bottom out about 8.500 eventually.

For those who wanted a melt down, you got it.

Enjoy the ride.

re: #231 ploome hineni

lol,I can see it now

the Jewish boys loved to go out with Catholic convent girls, they were the hotties
lol

Everybody liked to go out with the Catholic convent girls.
Plus everybody assumed you were rich.
I think the reputation is still there.

re: #242 3 wood

The Nikkei is down another 5543 right now, the FTSE over 400

You can double and maybe triple that 200 tomorrow. I expect the DOW to bottom out about 8.500 eventually.

For those who wanted a melt down, you got it.

Enjoy the ride.

Ouch. Do I buy at 8,500?

Sorry, I meant to post #241 on the next thread.

re: #198 Killian Bundy

/and not breaking the credit freeze is going to be more expensive by an order of magnitude as our economy grinds to a near halt, could even spread globally

It already has. 3 banks had to be propped up in Europe over the weekend.

re: #237 Wishing

How did the interveiw go?

Oh, quite well thank you. They introduced me to the entire staff and said we would "be talking again soon".

So it looks good so far.

Thank you for asking and for all those who were praying for me.

re: #241 ggt
/trying to scare the hell out of me?

re: #224 The Shadow Do

Why is the SEC and the T balking at the obvious, I wonder?

Not sure. I guess arrogance and stupidity.

re: #200 David IV of Georgia

Close, very close, but no cigar. Yod, He, Vav, He, is an acronym representing "I Am That I Am", not a name, but rather a statement of fact. In that context G-d (whose many names are unknown to us), is most properly referred to as, "That Which Is."

As we (Jews) neither speak, nor write the name of G-d in Hebrew, so too do we extend this custom into the English language, although it is essentially meaningless to do so.

BTW, I have it on very good authority that one of the many names of G-d is Hershel, but don't tell anybody that I told you.

L' Shana Tovah to ALL, even YOU, Ya Rat Bastard, and you know who you are!

re: #240 Mich-again
as we can see with many of the Dem leadership right now.

Hey 3 wood: I'm curious if you've ever read The Way the World Works by the late Jude Wanniski and, if so, what you generally think about it. Like most people here, I'm only a "layman" when it comes to economics, but it seems to me that his model (really a re-statement of Classical Economics) is the only one available that actually offers an explanation for the Great Depression. (I saw your post this morning where you said that your graduate studies were on that topic.)

In many ways, his description (pp. 137-152) of the Senate discussion on the Smoot-Hawley tariff from Jan. 1929 up to Black Tuesday (when it was finally clear that a tariff deal would be done [and would include both agriculture and industrial tariffs]) reminds me the current situation, with the market up and down on the likelihood of the deal. However, of course, at that time the market was hoping that a deal on the tariff would not be struck, and today the market is hoping that a deal will be struck to solve the credit crunch.

re: #248 willowone

Hasn't Obambi already done that?

LOL

re: #249 3 wood

Not sure. I guess arrogance and stupidity.

Wow. And on this the world turns.

re: #253 ggt true, true, he has indeed.

re: #221 HoosierHoops

.

How did it go today?

Went fine and is looking good so far. Thank you.

No I was not in a closet, just teaching a class this afternoon.

re: #240 Mich-again

Obama is sitting this out licking his chops thinking about all those angry voters. Its all about him winning in November, not about doing what is best for the USA.

But what does he really have to offer in this thing? Nothing, because all he knows is how to be a good candidate, nothing of how to be a true leader.

He ran in the primaries as a true liberal, and now he's running to the center so he can get elected. He knows nothing of life in the center, so he's winging it.

One can only lead when one is inside one's strength zone. The "One" here is out of his league, so he needs Pelosi et al to carry his water in this. He pontificates about the issue, but his words only come from what his advisers tell him "sounds good".

I'm really looking forward to the next debate in Nashville, which is town hall style. Regardless of the topic, he'll uhm, uhm, oh, uhm, er his way through it, and make John McCain look good.

re: #253 ggt
i often look at friends of mine and wonder why they are so besotted with him, what have i missed. what the heck, i'm starting to believe there really such a thing as hinky cool-aide.

re: #246 3 wood

It already has. 3 banks had to be propped up in Europe over the weekend.

Propped up.? I heard the 2 in Germany were Nationalized.

Tell me honestly. If the dow does drop to 8500, will that be the rebound point?
And if a bail out doesn't work, which nobody is sure it will,we'll end up at 8500 and another 700 billion in debt, right?

And the Eid al-Fitr starts tomorrow in "Palestine" and a host of other Mideast countries. So I guess everyone will be celebrating on the same day....except for the Jihadis, who will be plotting to destroy Israel.

(Sorry for the cynicism--it goes with the territory lately)

re: #252 ophidian

Smoot Hawley had a contributing factor true, but it was a large combination of things.

Commodity prices shot up during WWI so farmers went into debt and bought a lot of property (sound familiar). Then prices dropped and a lot of the farmers went bankrupt.

People bought a lot of investments they did not understand in the 20's (sound familiar) and then when the market dumped out they lost their shirts.

The Fed's stood by and did noting a let the money supply contract by about 30%. Banks credit froze up (sound familiar) and President Hoover raise taxes killing off any income growth there may have been.

I see a lot of similarities to today.

re: #256 3 wood

.

Went fine and is looking good so far. Thank you.

No I was not in a closet, just teaching a class this afternoon.

But you did have a bottle of whiskey nearby and a loaded gun right?
I don't know who posted that this mornng after you cut out..but it was so funny the way they worded it....

Hey! here's to another year in the book! May we all make ourselves better people in the next year!

...and where's my zionist conspiracy check?!

lol

re: #218 Intrepid

What might be considered is that the Fed and Treasury would go into something like an "appropriations bill" mode - offering only the minimum amounts necessary in order to keep the credit market flowing.

That's not what's need here. They need to smash down the credit freeze door with the most massive money maul anyone's ever seen, smoke all the toxic mortgage derivatives in the room, rescue all the market confidence, and declare to the world, we're good.

Anything less, and we won't break the global death spiral we seem to have started.

/there won't be a "better bill" Wednesday, Pelosi should have just kept her [expletive deleted] mouth shut!

re: #264 Orbit Rain

I didn't get a check, but I did get two free calendars from Mesorah Heritage Foundation!

re: #260 x-wing

And if a bail out doesn't work, which nobody is sure it will,we'll end up at 8500 and another 700 billion in debt, right?

The 700 billion bail out is a drop in the bucket to the capital that is vanishing form the system. This is want is frustrating me so much.

The greater point is being missed here, I think, cause there is so much resentment toward Wall Street in general.

We are losing trillions in capital every day to save 700 billion from helping out Wall Street.

It makes me want to scream.

re: #259 willowone

it's all about being with the popular crowd. I read some psycnology book about it --wish I could remember the name, because I find the information true the older I get. Everybody wants to be a winner. Some human need to be in the group . . .a survival need that is emotionally based and can and does overpower the intellect. Alinsky-ites are masters of abusing it.

The dumbing down of the American School curriculum has made it possible. People, in general, don't read or think critically.