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Open | Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:11:12 pm PDT

Max: Chief, we must use the Cone of Silence if we are to continue this conversation.

Chief: Max, the Cone of Silence never works.

Max: Still we must use it.

[The Cone of Silence lowers over them.]

Chief: Can you hear me?

Max: What?

Get Smart

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:12:35pm

LOL- I loved that show.

2 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:14:24pm
3 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:15:01pm

GAZE- it's the new Cone of Silence.

4 OtisMyMan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:15:07pm

Missed it by this much.

5 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:17:40pm

Eeyore has problems. Tonight I thought he took it to a new level.

6 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:18:05pm

I couldn't wait to get here tonight! Let the games begin. Speaking of games, I found out I'm channeling JFK!

Leadership Test

7 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:18:07pm

re: #5 Moe Katz

Eeyore has problems. Tonight I thought he took it to a new level.

Is he the new Maxwell Smart?

8 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:18:57pm

re: #7 Wyatt Earp

Is he the new Maxwell Smart?

?

9 Syrah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:19:01pm

re: #5 Moe Katz

Eeyore has problems. Tonight I thought he took it to a new level.

Eeyore just needs to be ignored.

10 pat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:19:27pm

Max Smart is running McCain's 'campaign'.

11 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:19:44pm

re: #9 Syrah

Yeah, but he almost always manages to jerk someone's chain and the fun begins anew.

12 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:19:47pm

re: #7 Wyatt Earp

Maxwell Smart never came into a room telling everyone over and over again that everything was lost and to just give up on the election... :-/

13 pat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:20:26pm

Who is Eeyore?

14 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:20:36pm

re: #10 pat

Max Smart is running McCain's 'campaign'.

Barbara Feldon as 99 was even cuter than Palin IMHO. That might be an interesting ticket.

15 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:20:58pm

Ah, the old Professor Peter Peckinpah all purpose anti-personnel Peckinpah pocket pistol under the toupee trick.

16 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:21:02pm

re: #13 pat

Who is Eeyore?

EIDE_Interface

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:21:19pm

re: #5 Moe Katz

Eeyore has problems. Tonight I thought he took it to a new level.

Um- he did. GAZE is the new Cone of Silence.

18 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:21:20pm

re: #12 NomadOfNorad

Maxwell Smart never came into a room telling everyone over and over again that everything was lost and to just give up on the election... :-/

No, but he did insist on doing things by the book.

And he got the girl.

19 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:21:29pm

re: #13 pat

Who is Eeyore?

That EIDE_whatzitz guy. I forget his exact nick, but it starts with EIDE_

20 pat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:21:44pm

re: #14 Moe Katz

Cutest nose ever.

21 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:01pm

re: #16 Moe Katz

EIDE_Interface

Not savage_n.?

22 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:14pm

re: #16 Moe Katz

EIDE_Interface

Ah, you beat me to it. Hehe.

23 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:15pm

re: #8 Moe Katz

?

The guy that is too dumb for his own good.

24 Syrah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:39pm

re: #11 Moe Katz

Yeah, but he almost always manages to jerk someone's chain and the fun begins anew.

And then it devolves into an Eddy thread. Dull as watching paint dry.

25 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:42pm

Thanks for finding the latest version, Syrah- that's twice now I've gotten it from you.

26 Dasher  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:22:47pm

Karl Rove Reacts to the No Vote on the Bailout!

Unbelievable must listen to this... from John Gibson show also on [Link: homepage.mac.com...]

27 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:23:11pm

re: #23 Wyatt Earp

The guy that is too dumb for his own good.

And lurking in this thread dinging comments.

28 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:23:17pm

If only Eeyore would have used his powers for Niceness instead of Evil.

29 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:24:00pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

And lurking in this thread dinging comments.

And not in a good way. However will you get to sleep?

30 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:25:05pm

re: #12 NomadOfNorad

Maxwell Smart never came into a room telling everyone over and over again that everything was lost and to just give up on the election... :-/

Anyone so swayed by polls and statistics deserves what they get.

Of course I come from a long line of people who when they are told that all is lost and it is over, stand the hell up and say "in a pig's eye" and "over be damned" and "watch while I do it."

31 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:26:15pm

LOL- so pathetic.

32 pat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:26:55pm

Drinking can cause gloom, but it rarely causes obsessive behavior.

33 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:27:06pm

re: #8 Moe Katz

re: #24 Syrah

re: #27 Sharmuta

I took care of GAZEs down dings for ya.

34 LeePro  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:27:51pm

re: #13 pat

Who is Eeyore?

Eeyore


re: #16 Moe Katz

EIDE_Interface

LOL




/fastest drive-by EVUH! ! !

G'nite, {Lizards}!

¦·o zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

35 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:27:59pm

re: #32 pat

Drinking can cause gloom, but it rarely causes obsessive behavior.

It causes excessive tinkling, though.

36 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:28:20pm

"The old bulletproof cummerbund in the tuxedo trick."

37 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:29:32pm

re: #33 x-wing

re: #24 Syrah

re: #27 Sharmuta

I took care of GAZEs down dings for ya.

Thanks!

38 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:29:50pm

re: #30 galloping granny

Anyone so swayed by polls and statistics deserves what they get.

Of course I come from a long line of people who when they are told that all is lost and it is over, stand the hell up and say "in a pig's eye" and "over be damned" and "watch while I do it."

isn't that really the American way?

/all the quiters stayed over -----------------> there.

39 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:30:23pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

And lurking in this thread dinging comments.

Too much time on his hands. :D

And we'll keeping upticking all the posts he dings. :^D

40 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:30:45pm

re: #33 x-wing

re: #24 Syrah

re: #27 Sharmuta

I took care of GAZEs down dings for ya.

Thanks! You're a pal.

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:30:49pm

re: #36 Abu Al-Poopypants

LOL- even the quotes are cracking me up.

42 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:31:57pm

Zis is KAOS, ve don't down-ding here!

43 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:32:01pm

re: #6 Mel Lono

I couldn't wait to get here tonight! Let the games begin. Speaking of games, I found out I'm channeling JFK!

Leadership Test

then you can stay away from the wife when we meet.

/ %-)

44 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:32:07pm

re: #38 redc1c4

Eidy didn't like that.

45 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:32:25pm
46 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:32:52pm

re: #32 pat

Drinking can cause gloom, but it rarely causes obsessive behavior.

And not drinking can cause even more gloom.

I'll go for the "less gloom" option.

47 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:33:20pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

Eidy didn't like that.

Tough titties! :D :D :D

48 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:33:25pm

What gets me is he knows everyone hates it and he's even getting a kick out of that. I'm coming around to seeing it more like Sharmuta does. He's trolling.

49 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:34:32pm

Speaking of gloom, has the economy cratered yet?

50 HelloDare  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:34:34pm

Joe Biden = Maxwell Smart

51 Yankeeboy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:35:44pm

Morning Lizards

52 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:36:07pm

re: #49 Fenway_Nation


According to 3wood we're loing a trillion a day , give or take a billion.

53 cliffster  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:36:36pm

re: #48 Moe Katz

What gets me is he knows everyone hates it and he's even getting a kick out of that. I'm coming around to seeing it more like Sharmuta does. He's trolling.

Around since 2004, thousands of comments posted, and now this?

54 cliffster  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:37:04pm

Trading on Micex has been halted.

55 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:37:16pm

re: #47 NomadOfNorad

Tough titties! :D :D :D

Uh, what does Hillary have to do with it?

56 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:37:30pm

re: #16 Moe Katz

EIDE_Interface

that's an insult to the real Eeyore, and to all of his fans.
true story: i had a cow-orker whom, although grown and with fa,mily, was a Pooh fan. her cell @ w*rk was covered in Pooh, etc....

i came back from lunch one day to find the day's page from the calendar on my keyboard.

it was Eeyore, looking as optimistic as ever, observing that "if enthusiasm is contagious, i am immune." said cartoon had a place on honor in my cell until the day i was fired, and i have it still.

57 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:37:40pm

re: #38 redc1c4

isn't that really the American way?

/all the quiters stayed over -----------------> there.

Exactly! Though that had not dawned on me before. Thanks for expanding my view. I'll be using that with the kiddo.

I was thinking of my Grandma, who had what they used to call "milk leg" after her third child was born and was told she would never walk again. She did. Needed a special shoe, but she kept right on keeping on on both feet to 95.

And my Dad, both legs broken in WWII. He too, told he would never walk again. 87. Still walking. Though slowly.

And myself. Nearly 3 decades ago I drifted out of a coma to see two doctors in white coats standing at the end of my bed, where one said to the other "this one isn't going to make it." I did. With my entire upper right side paralyzed. I would never use it again they said. I do. I sent the doctor who was so hot to do surgery a picture of me turning on cartwheel on both arms about a year and a half later and I'm typing with that "paralyzed" right arm this very minute.

One thing that has always been a mantra in my family - You might not win, but winners never quit and quitters never win.

58 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:37:47pm

re: #53 cliffster

Around since 2004, thousands of comments posted, and now this?

They can't wrap their little minds around the fact that I'm not a troll. I might be a quitter, but I'm not a troll.

59 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:38:02pm

re: #50 HelloDare

Joe Biden = Maxwell Smart

You take that back! I'll not let such slurs against the late Don Adams or even Steve Carrell go unprotested!

60 hack  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:39:00pm

@ #49

not yet. check in around noon.

but seriously, america will survive. all this panic on wall street doesn't impress me. things will work out, with or without congress.

61 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:39:07pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

Eidy didn't like that.

well, here's a rotating pastry for him:

/me rolls doughnut down the walk

he knows what to do, i just doubt he's capable. %-)

62 YankeeBoy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:39:51pm

#50 HelloDare

Joe Biden = Maxwell Smart

I never thought of that but close...very close.

63 cliffster  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:40:01pm

re: #58 EIDE_Interface

They can't wrap their little minds around the fact that I'm not a troll. I might be a quitter, but I'm not a troll.

That makes you more stupid, not less. Why is it fun for you to hang out, trying to get a reaction from people? How much of a loser do you have to be to sit in here in the middle of the night acting like that?

64 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:40:22pm

re: #61 redc1c4


he knows what to do, i just doubt he's capable. %-)

You have to admit, that's a difficult feat to pull off.

65 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:40:23pm

re: #43 redc1c4

then you can stay away from the wife when we meet.

/ %-)

marilyn

Not to be picky, but does she look like this? Can't wait for weet time.

66 Colonel Panik  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:40:37pm

Barack Obama: Latté Mugabe or Mussolini with melanin?

67 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:40:40pm

So how is this financial madness going to affect me, the little guy?

I just got my first credit card on Saturday but haven't used it yet. I have a net worth in the low three digits, no loans, one crappy car, and a bunch of firearms. I've recently started my own small business but it's VERY small, haven't even made business cards yet...

Roommate is really good with her money, she has a bulletproof job in a bankruptcy office, her only debt is car payments... Only about $1000 in her newly-opened IRA...

We're already poor... There is some food in the fridge. Are we going to die?

68 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:40:54pm

re: #53 cliffster

Around since 2004, thousands of comments posted, and now this?

That's why he's been given the benefit of the doubt to the extent he has. But the recent pattern is pretty sustained and consistent.

69 Oldasdirt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:41:14pm

re: #49 Fenway_Nation

Speaking of gloom, has the economy cratered yet?


When it does,,the tax payer will be the last to know.

70 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:41:22pm

re: #60 hack

@ #49

not yet. check in around noon.

but seriously, america will survive. all this panic on wall street doesn't impress me. things will work out, with or without congress.

As far as I have seen in my lifetime, things tend to work out faster and better without the "help" of Congress than they do with it.

71 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:41:43pm

re: #48 Moe Katz

What gets me is he knows everyone hates it and he's even getting a kick out of that. I'm coming around to seeing it more like Sharmuta does. He's trolling.

what i've been saying for awhile............

/he didn't like those comments either, but then again, he's a lame troll.

72 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:41:44pm

re: #60 hack

@ #49

not yet. check in around noon.

but seriously, america will survive. all this panic on wall street doesn't impress me. things will work out, with or without congress.

I predict a small buying spree on Wall Street in the next session. And once the slide is over, I predict a HUGE buying spree.

Buy low, sell high!

73 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:42:03pm

re: #63 cliffster

That makes you more stupid, not less. Why is it fun for you to hang out, trying to get a reaction from people? How much of a loser do you have to be to sit in here in the middle of the night acting like that?

Well I'm depressed. Dianna was right about that.

74 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:42:17pm

re: #69 Oldasdirt

When it does,,the tax payer will be the last to know.

Not necessarily. If you get the Fox business channel, Neil Cavuto said earlier today that they would be on live all night to keep folks current on what was going on financially in the international markets.

75 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:42:26pm

re: #68 Moe Katz

That's why he's been given the benefit of the doubt to the extent he has. But the recent pattern is pretty sustained and consistent.

Ah, sure. Sleeper troll right?

76 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:42:29pm

re: #65 Mel Lono

marilyn

Not to be picky, but does she look like this? Can't wait for weet time.

not exactly: mine's above ground.

/yes, i went there. %-)

77 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:43:01pm

re: #58 EIDE_Interface

They can't wrap their little minds around the fact that I'm not a troll. I might be a quitter, but I'm not a troll.

I suspect you're going to be eating crow come November 5th. :P

78 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:43:19pm

re: #75 EIDE_Interface

Ah, sure. Lame troll right?

edited for accuracy.

79 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:44:17pm

re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor

So how is this financial madness going to affect me, the little guy?

I just got my first credit card on Saturday but haven't used it yet. I have a net worth in the low three digits, no loans, one crappy car, and a bunch of firearms. I've recently started my own small business but it's VERY small, haven't even made business cards yet...

Roommate is really good with her money, she has a bulletproof job in a bankruptcy office, her only debt is car payments... Only about $1000 in her newly-opened IRA...

We're already poor... There is some food in the fridge. Are we going to die?

Buy gold. Then ammo.

80 OtisMyMan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:44:24pm

Where can I find a Barney Frank pinata?

81 Colonel Panik  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:44:29pm

re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor

So how is this financial madness going to affect me, the little guy?

I just got my first credit card on Saturday but haven't used it yet. I have a net worth in the low three digits, no loans, one crappy car, and a bunch of firearms.

We're already poor... There is some food in the fridge. Are we going to die?

If you have a .22, and a popcorn popper, and there are squirrels about... probably not.

A Huckaboy will survive.

82 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:44:31pm

re: #77 NomadOfNorad

I suspect you're going to be eating crow come November 5th. :P

I'd love to eat that crow. But it's not going to happen.

a) McCain is absolutely incompetent
b) The MSM is in the tank for Obama. Ann Althouse has a post up right now proving it.
c) I have no faith in any polilticians. My own Rep sounded like an absolute fool after the vote today. It's like GOD, why am I afflicted with these idiots?

83 Syrah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:44:42pm

Goodnight all.

Some amusement on the Megan McArdle The politics of the bill thread.

I think a few Lizards other than just myself were having some sport with the Dems over there.

It's worth a scan if you want a quick and dirty preview of how the left will try to spin Nancy's Epic Fail on the Black Monday Bailout Vote.

I think that something stinks about the vote. There were too darned many Dems from rock solid safe seats voting against the bill for me to believe that everything was on the up and up. I have some doubts about it all in a something is rotten in Denmark sort of way.

Time will tell the tale. It could be that Nancy really is just that incompetent.

Again, Goodnight.

84 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:45:12pm

re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor

if it goes bad, firearms, ammo and reloading gear are your best investment....

until then, don't panic.

(too much, anyway. %-)

85 Colonel Panik  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:45:55pm

re: #80 OtisMyMan

Where can I find a Barney Frank pinata?

Barney Frank's involvement with questionable mortgage lending practices is making me home-o-phobic.

86 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:45:55pm

re: #71 redc1c4

what i've been saying for awhile............

/he didn't like those comments either, but then again, he's a lame troll.

Others are finally join our way of thinking, but he really needs to be put on GAZE. He just wants attention, and even negative attention will do.

87 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:46:08pm

re: #82 EIDE_Interface

I'd love to eat that crow. But it's not going to happen.

a) McCain is absolutely incompetent
b) The MSM is in the tank for Obama. Ann Althouse has a post up right now proving it.
c) I have no faith in any polilticians. My own Rep sounded like an absolute fool after the vote today. It's like GOD, why am I afflicted with these idiots?

because they are just like you, and therefore your perfect representative?

/first guess

88 Oldasdirt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:46:37pm

I have jumped out of my window twice tonight,2 and 1/2 feet to ground.
But that second time hurt.Damn holley bushes.

89 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:46:46pm

re: #71 redc1c4

Yes, I've completely lost sympathy with him. So many people tonight almost begging him to stop, and he doesn't give a flying fuck how he is affecting them. No sympathy.

90 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:46:48pm

re: #79 Mel Lono

Buy gold. Then ammo.

Buy ammo. Then stocks in food companies. People always have to eat. Kraft and General Mills aren't hitting the skids any time soon. Rack up some cash and buy land. God isn't making any more of that. If you can't sell it you can always live on it, grow enough food to feed yourself on it or just sit and look at it.

91 Meremortal  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:46:53pm

You people just now figuring out that sociopath moby-troll EIDE?

92 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:46:53pm

re: #79 Mel Lono

Buy gold. Then ammo.

And make some wine and/or beer.

No matter how bad things may get, there will always be a market for ammo, alcohol, and precious metals.

Black Powder and Alcohol

93 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:47:20pm

re: #52 x-wing

According to 3wood we're loing a trillion a day , give or take a billion.

We definitely lost more than a trillion yesterday, the House No vote already cost us more than the "plan".

/and now we're going to multiply that mistake daily for a while starting tomorrow

94 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:47:26pm

re: #82 EIDE_Interface

I'd love to eat that crow. But it's not going to happen.

a) McCain is absolutely incompetent
b) The MSM is in the tank for Obama. Ann Althouse has a post up right now proving it.
c) I have no faith in any polilticians. My own Rep sounded like an absolute fool after the vote today. It's like GOD, why am I afflicted with these idiots?


Who's your Rep.?

95 cliffster  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:47:36pm
96 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:48:24pm

re: #83 Syrah

Goodnight all.

Some amusement on the Megan McArdle The politics of the bill thread.

I think a few Lizards other than just myself were having some sport with the Dems over there.

It's worth a scan if you want a quick and dirty preview of how the left will try to spin Nancy's Epic Fail on the Black Monday Bailout Vote.

I think that something stinks about the vote. There were too darned many Dems from rock solid safe seats voting against the bill for me to believe that everything was on the up and up. I have some doubts about it all in a something is rotten in Denmark sort of way.

Time will tell the tale. It could be that Nancy really is just that incompetent.

Again, Goodnight.

There are NO rock solid safe seats for the members of the House this november. Every single one of them is up for reelection. The only ones that are "safe" from the wrath of their constituents are the few running unopposed. And they can still be recalled.

97 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:49:38pm

re: #89 Moe Katz

Yes, I've completely lost sympathy with him. So many people tonight almost begging him to stop, and he doesn't give a flying fuck how he is affecting them. No sympathy.

Affecting who? Sharmuta has dehumanized me for the last month on these comment threads. Out of respect to Dianna, I won't be pessimistic while she's around.

98 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:50:06pm

re: #79 Mel Lono

Buy gold. Then ammo.

if you have ammo, you can get gold.

/practical

99 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:50:14pm

re: #52 x-wing

Are you ready for my crazy-ass consiracy theory of the night? I'm thinking enough congresscritters are dragging their feet on this and buying up stock for just about anything at bargain-basement prices before approving whatever version the latest bailout proposal entails, then divesting themselves of the stock once it regains its value.

I've also been suspicious of this proposal from the outset. Yes, I think something needs to be done, but not while flinging $100,000,000 at ACORN or surreptitously including some moratorium on shale oil exploration. Just the simple 'Pass this! PASS THIS NOW!' tone with which it's being viewed with makes me think it's chock full of things we (taxpayers or investors) wouldn't want there in 12 months.....

100 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:51:08pm

re: #93 Killian Bundy

We definitely lost more than a trillion yesterday, the House No vote already cost us more than the "plan".

/and now we're going to multiply that mistake daily for a while starting tomorrow


Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

/////

101 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:51:20pm

re: #91 Meremortal

You people just now figuring out that sociopath moby-troll EIDE?

Well I tend to give people a tremendous amount of leeway, it's a principle of mine. But enough is enough.

102 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:51:20pm

re: #91 Meremortal

You people just now figuring out that sociopath moby-troll EIDE?

Nope- know it for weeks, myself.

103 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:51:42pm

re: #82 EIDE_Interface

I'd love to eat that crow. But it's not going to happen.

a) McCain is absolutely incompetent
b) The MSM is in the tank for Obama. Ann Althouse has a post up right now proving it.
c) I have no faith in any polilticians. My own Rep sounded like an absolute fool after the vote today. It's like GOD, why am I afflicted with these idiots?

I have a sneaking suspicion that God has other plans come this November. :D

104 OtisMyMan  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:52:34pm

Is this the week when the enemy within became more of a threat than the enemy without?

105 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:53:26pm

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

You're the one who called McCain scum tonight. You've made your own bed and it has nothing to do with me.

106 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:53:39pm

re: #103 NomadOfNorad

I have a sneaking suspicion that God has other plans come this November. :D

I'm an atheist. We only make our own fate by our actions. Counting on a mystical superbeing to bail you out is not going to help.

107 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:53:41pm

re: #103 NomadOfNorad

I have a sneaking suspicion that God has other plans come this November. :D

He always has other plans. But, you can still tell Him yours if you want to give Him a good laugh.

108 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:53:44pm

re: #92 victor_yugo

And make some wine and/or beer.

No matter how bad things may get, there will always be a market for ammo, alcohol, and precious metals.

Black Powder and Alcohol

Hmmmm... you watching this thing on History Channel about moonshiners like I am? :D :D :D

109 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:53:51pm

re: #97 EIDE_Interface


Somebody quick, call the whaaaaaambulance

110 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:53:54pm

re: #90 galloping granny

Buy ammo. Then stocks in food companies. People always have to eat. Kraft and General Mills aren't hitting the skids any time soon. Rack up some cash and buy land. God isn't making any more of that. If you can't sell it you can always live on it, grow enough food to feed yourself on it or just sit and look at it.

I stand corrected. Land would be a good idea. The question is where? I'm thinking Australia, maybe do awalkabout.

111 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:54:14pm

re: #105 Sharmuta

You're the one who called McCain scum tonight. You've made your own bed and it has nothing to do with me.

You started calling me a moby/troll from the night of the Palin speech. Deal with it.

112 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:55:31pm

re: #111 EIDE_Interface

You started calling me a moby/troll from the night of the Palin speech. Deal with it.

Yeah- because you called her and her family White Trash. Now McCain is scum. You are not worthy to kiss John or Sarah's asses.

113 redc1c4  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:55:59pm

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

Affecting who? Sharmuta has dehumanized me for the last month on these comment threads. Out of respect to Dianna, I won't be pessimistic while she's around.

nice of you to blame Sharmuta for *your* actions.....

/sucks to be you, don't it?

114 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:56:00pm

At least 2 reasons McCain is scum:

1. He supported amenesty
2. In 1998, McCain made a joke during a speech at a Republican fundraiser about President Clinton's daughter, Chelsea, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."[66] The joke was thought so offensive that many newspapers declined to print it verbatim;[66

115 Meremortal  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:56:08pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Nope- know it for weeks, myself.

I knew that Shar, almost mentioned you in the post...and should have given you credit.

Meremortal:: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:40:54 pm
Attention you lizard friends. I've been here since the memo days, years before I registered to post. I often read posting records to learn the various agendas, good and bad, of posters. EIDEInterface is a sociopathic manipulative moby and should be shunned. Carry on.
---------

We are all revealed by our posting records.

116 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:56:19pm

GAZE

117 x-wing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:56:51pm

re: #99 Fenway_Nation


I would not call that crazy-ass. Right now I could believe alot of things. This housing thing has been brewing for 2 years and now all of the sudden it hits the fan this hard.

/I was born in the dark,but it wasn't last night

118 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:56:55pm

re: #106 EIDE_Interface

I'm an atheist. We only make our own fate by our actions. Counting on a mystical superbeing to bail you out is not going to help.

God: The Ultimate Autobiography
(Holy Ghost-written by Jeremy Pascall)

Featuring:

* THE TRUTH ABOUT ADAM AND EVE, and why they were fired from the world's first theme park.
* SODOM AND GOMORRAH: THE CITIES OF SIN, including street plans, good food guides and listings of the best clubs, discos, and bars. And why compulsory demolition orders were placed on all of them.
* BEGETTING: THE DO'S AND DON'T'S, including why you shouldn't covet your neighbor's ass.

And exclusively revealing:

* The Eleventh Commandment!
* That pigs were *meant* to fly, and rhinos were designed to live under stones!
* That the sky should have been called "Waxtl" but Adam couldn't pronounce it!

Plus a word for any atheists among you: "Wrong!"

119 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:57:49pm

re: #110 Mel Lono

I stand corrected. Land would be a good idea. The question is where? I'm thinking Australia, maybe do awalkabout.

I'm not so sure where is important. More like where not. Not on the coast - too high priced. Not in the desert - too hard to grow crops. Not in the path of a future highway. Probably get taken by imminent domain.

120 cliffster  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:57:50pm

re: #111 EIDE_Interface

You started calling me a moby/troll from the night of the Palin speech. Deal with it.

I feel sorry for you that you have nothing better in your life than to hang out here and act like a 6 year old child being a brat. What a waste.

121 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:57:58pm

re: #97 EIDE_Interface

Affecting who? Sharmuta has dehumanized me for the last month on these comment threads. Out of respect to Dianna, I won't be pessimistic while she's around.

If you can stifle it when Dianna is around, why do you find it necessary to inflict the lamentations of Jeremiah on everyone else? Read everything addressed to you on the last thread. Print all of these posts. Think about what these people are saying.... how you are affecting them, how you are making them feel. Do you have any control over that?

122 victor_yugo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:58:19pm

re: #108 NomadOfNorad

Hmmmm... you watching this thing on History Channel about moonshiners like I am? :D :D :D

Nope, just a closet Leslie Fish fan.

/oops

123 Intrepid  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:58:29pm

re: #106 EIDE_Interface

I'm an atheist. We only make our own fate by our actions. Counting on a mystical superbeing to bail you out is not going to help.

Dude, get a faith! It might help you with your condition.

124 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:58:41pm

re: #115 Meremortal

I knew that Shar, almost mentioned you in the post...and should have given you credit.

Meremortal:: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:40:54 pm
Attention you lizard friends. I've been here since the memo days, years before I registered to post. I often read posting records to learn the various agendas, good and bad, of posters. EIDEInterface is a sociopathic manipulative moby and should be shunned. Carry on.
---------

Talk about dehumanzing.

125 galloping granny  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:59:02pm

re: #114 EIDE_Interface

At least 2 reasons McCain is scum:

1. He supported amenesty
2. In 1998, McCain made a joke during a speech at a Republican fundraiser about President Clinton's daughter, Chelsea, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."[66] The joke was thought so offensive that many newspapers declined to print it verbatim;[66

You are an utter fool.

126 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:59:19pm

re: #106 EIDE_Interface

I'm an atheist. We only make our own fate by our actions. Counting on a mystical superbeing to bail you out is not going to help.

Doesn't particularly surprise me. The fact that you DON'T have faith is demonstrated BY the fact you're so pessimistic today.

127 EIDE_Interface  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:59:47pm

re: #121 Moe Katz

If you can stifle it when Dianna is around, why do you find it necessary to inflict the lamentations of Jeremiah on everyone else? Read everything addressed to you on the last thread. Print all of these posts. Think about what these people are saying.... how you are affecting them, how you are making them feel. Do you have any control over that?

She's the only one who treated me like a human being. The rest of you starting with Sharmuta dehumanized me and kept at it.

128 Mel Lono  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:59:56pm

Did the Great Lizard put the mute button on yet?

129 Moe Katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 11:59:57pm

re: #109 x-wing

Somebody quick, call the whaaaaaambulance

LOL

130 OtisMyMan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:00:05am

re: #110 Mel Lono

I stand corrected. Land would be a good idea. The question is where? I'm thinking Australia, maybe do awalkabout.

Nope. They have lost their weapons. When the second amendment goes, the others will follow in swift order. I firmly believe we are 3 acts away from a revolution at all times. Perhaps gas prices is the first. The bailout could possibly be the second. Come for our guns..........you better come a'shooting.

131 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:00:33am

re: #106 EIDE_Interface

I'm an atheist. We only make our own fate by our actions. Counting on a mystical superbeing to bail you out is not going to help.

so now that you've, to quote Mandy, "fu*cked yourself" here, what are your plans

GPS? FOAD? ESAD? TAFFARD? GFY?
not that we care, mind you, because you're simply not that important.

we just want to see you do one or more of the above..... %-)

132 Meremortal  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:00:53am

re: #101 Moe Katz

Well I tend to give people a tremendous amount of leeway, it's a principle of mine. But enough is enough.

I hear you, respect the concept and congratulate your illumination in this matter.

I usually leave the area when EIDE takes over a thread. It's just no fun nor interesting when EIDE is around. Other moby/trolls like Gordon or Le Trole were at least entertaining.

Bye all.

133 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:00:56am

re: #127 EIDE_Interface

She's the only one who treated me like a human being. The rest of you starting with Sharmuta dehumanized me and kept at it.

That is utterly untrue, because I have not treated you badly.

134 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:02:23am

re: #110 Mel Lono

I stand corrected. Land would be a good idea. The question is where? I'm thinking Australia, maybe do awalkabout.

can't won guns there.... better to stay here and fight it out.

/last, best hope and all that.

135 Intrepid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:03:08am

Oh good Lord, EIDE_Interface has decided to take over another thread and make it about himself.

Can we all just agree to ignore him? So that he goes away?

136 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:03:30am

re: #127 EIDE_Interface

She's the only one who treated me like a human being. The rest of you starting with Sharmuta dehumanized me and kept at it.

I have NOT. I have treated you like a mensch and explained over and over to you that you were pissing people off. So have quite a few others. You have to take responsibility for the way you are impacting people, no one is setting out to depersonalize you.

137 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:03:47am

re: #133 galloping granny

That is utterly untrue, because I have not treated you badly.

Allright, you and Dianna then.

No one can find a single instance that I ever called anyone here a name. All the abuse has been one-way.

138 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:04:17am

re: #99 Fenway_Nation

Are you ready for my crazy-ass consiracy theory of the night? I'm thinking enough congresscritters are dragging their feet on this and buying up stock for just about anything at bargain-basement prices before approving whatever version the latest bailout proposal entails, then divesting themselves of the stock once it regains its value.

I've also been suspicious of this proposal from the outset. Yes, I think something needs to be done, but not while flinging $100,000,000 at ACORN or surreptitously including some moratorium on shale oil exploration. Just the simple 'Pass this! PASS THIS NOW!' tone with which it's being viewed with makes me think it's chock full of things we (taxpayers or investors) wouldn't want there in 12 months.....

perfect paranoia is perfect awareness.

i don;t have a hard time living with at least some of this idea.

(and isn't *that* a shame? %-)

139 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:05:17am

re: #131 redc1c4

so now that you've, to quote Mandy, "fu*cked yourself" here, what are your plans

GPS? FOAD? ESAD? TAFFARD? GFY?
not that we care, mind you, because you're simply not that important.

we just want to see you do one or more of the above..... %-)

OMGWTFBBQ

And why, on the most visceral level, I oppose any government bailout:

TANSTAAFL

140 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:05:33am

BBC:Japan's Nikkei index ended Tuesday down 4.1%, and Hong Kong's Hang Seng had lost 2.4% in late trading.

Meanwhile, in Russia all trading has been suspended on the country's two main stock markets.

141 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:05:51am

Well, weet dreams, fellow lizards... I'm powering off and heading to bed here shortly...

142 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:06:01am

re: #134 redc1c4

can't won guns there.... better to stay here and fight it out.

/last, best hope and all that.

WTF? No guns? What about those nasty roos and crocs and spiders and God knows what else....

143 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:06:21am

Instead of sitting here arguing, go watch this -

This is by the same guy as did the Bad Company videos. And if it is as well documented as those, this is downright chilling.

144 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:06:49am

Don't someone here know how to ping Ed's IP?

145 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:07:09am

re: #124 EIDE_Interface

Talk about dehumanzing.

you misspelled "accurate".

here to help!

146 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:07:30am

re: #137 EIDE_Interface

Allright, you and Dianna then.

No one can find a single instance that I ever called anyone here a name. All the abuse has been one-way.

You need to take responsibility for how you are affecting people. I'd like to see you come on LGF for a week and just try to get up-dings. Just as an exercise. You might like it the results.

147 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:07:43am
148 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:08:00am

re: #141 NomadOfNorad

Well, weet dreams, fellow lizards... I'm powering off and heading to bed here shortly...

G'night nomad, weet dreams!

149 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:08:04am

re: #145 redc1c4

you misspelled "accurate".

here to help!

ROFL!

150 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:08:52am

re: #148 Moe Katz

G'night nomad, weet dreams!

Nite, Moe Katz.

151 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:09:31am

re: #146 Moe Katz

You need to take responsibility for how you are affecting people. I'd like to see you come on LGF for a week and just try to get up-dings. Just as an exercise. You might like it the results.

I might just try that. It's not like I'm gaining any friends with my pessimistic outlook. But it's just so bad that I can't hold it in. It's like the MSM pollution has caused this tidal wave of toxic sludge that has battered my defenses to such an extent.

152 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:09:40am

re: #114 EIDE_Interface

At least 2 reasons McCain is scum:

1. He supported amenesty
2. In 1998, McCain made a joke during a speech at a Republican fundraiser about President Clinton's daughter, Chelsea, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."[66] The joke was thought so offensive that many newspapers declined to print it verbatim;[66


His support for amnesty may be our saving grace, in that many Latinos might not reject a McCain ticket.

And that Clinton joke is rude, but funny.

153 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:10:30am

re: #137 EIDE_Interface

Allright, you and Dianna then.

No one can find a single instance that I ever called anyone here a name. All the abuse has been one-way.

But you call Mac scum And Palin white trash,and you want us to show you any kind of respect.

154 cliffster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:10:39am

Off I go to zzzz-land. Thanks for fighting the good fight. Night

155 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:10:53am

Oh, brother.

156 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:11:14am

re: #127 EIDE_Interface

She's the only one who treated me like a human being. The rest of you starting with Sharmuta dehumanized me and kept at it.

dude: i'm a Usenet veteran of the great flame wars of olde, and you're just a sad lame troll. your stench is detectable upwind and you fool only those souls given to kindness.

you have dehumanized yourself, and sympathy is in the dictionary, right between "shit" & "syphilis", which is what it's worth and all you'll get here.

you should ask for the stick as a mercy in your hour of need.

/but you don't have the cojones for that, do you?

157 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:11:41am

re: #151 EIDE_Interface

I might just try that. It's not like I'm gaining any friends with my pessimistic outlook. But it's just so bad that I can't hold it in. It's like the MSM pollution has caused this tidal wave of toxic sludge that has battered my defenses to such an extent.

There's a solution to that. Don't listen to the MSM or read moonbat websites.
Stay on a healthy diet of Rush, Laura, Sean, LGF and Free Republic.

158 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:12:11am

re: #155 Sharmuta
Where art thou?

159 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:12:31am

re: #156 redc1c4

you should ask for the stick as a mercy in your hour of need.

/but you don't have the cojones for that, do you?

I do, if she's cute enough. ;-)

160 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:12:34am

re: #140 Abu Al-Poopypants

BBC:Japan's Nikkei index ended Tuesday down 4.1%, and Hong Kong's Hang Seng had lost 2.4% in late trading.

Meanwhile, in Russia all trading has been suspended on the country's two main stock markets.

Yiiipppeeeeee!

If we're gonna go down, I want everyone eles to go down harder.

/eat that Putie Poot

161 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:13:04am

re: #151 EIDE_Interface

I might just try that. It's not like I'm gaining any friends with my pessimistic outlook. But it's just so bad that I can't hold it in. It's like the MSM pollution has caused this tidal wave of toxic sludge that has battered my defenses to such an extent.

/me hands the whiner a Chaplain's chit....

no one cares.

162 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:13:29am

re: #151 EIDE_Interface

I might just try that. It's not like I'm gaining any friends with my pessimistic outlook. But it's just so bad that I can't hold it in. It's like the MSM pollution has caused this tidal wave of toxic sludge that has battered my defenses to such an extent.

I think you should get some help. I believe you when you say you are depressed. But antagonizing everyone and isolating yourself will only make it worse. Why call McCain a scum? What reaction do you expect to get with something like that? Before you post, think about what the reaction is going to be.

163 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:13:36am

LGF is not a clinic. LGF is not a therapy support group.

164 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:14:27am

ASIA MARKETS
Stocks off lows on hopes bailout may be revived

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Asian markets pared steep losses Tuesday on hopes that U.S. lawmakers will reconsider a $700 billion financial-sector bailout they rejected overnight.

The expectations strengthened after stocks record losses on Wall Street overnight, triggering a similar sell-off in Asia.
Global leaders, including Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, and U.S. companies such as Microsoft Corp. (MSFT:Microsoft Corporation
MSFT 25.01, -1.56, -5.9%) also urged the lawmakers to reconsider the bailout plan to help restore stability in global financial markets.

. . .

In Tokyo, the Nikkei 225 Average recently dropped 3.4% to 11,345.05 after falling as low as 11,160.83 earlier in the day. The broader Topix index fell 3.1% to 1,092.42.
Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index was recently down 2.4% at 17,447.66, coming off the day's low at 16,799.29. The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index fell 3.8% to 8,615.61.
Taiwan's Taiex, which slid more than 6% earlier in the session, was recently down 4.3% at 5,674.91, as trading resumed after a holiday.

It's still bad and the Asian markets haven't closed yet, but it's not as bad as it was earlier.

/let's all pray this upbeat attitude spreads to Europe later this morning, because our Congress ain't back in session until Wednesday at the earliest

165 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:14:30am

re: #144 Oldasdirt

Don't someone here know how to ping Ed's IP?

For what?

166 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:14:47am

re: #151 EIDE_Interface

I might just try that. It's not like I'm gaining any friends with my pessimistic outlook. But it's just so bad that I can't hold it in. It's like the MSM pollution has caused this tidal wave of toxic sludge that has battered my defenses to such an extent.

Let me try another tack. What is your favorite "Rubber Soul" song and why? I'm guessing Nowhere Man but enlighten me.

///know me

167 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:14:58am

re: #152 Colonel Panik

His support for amnesty may be our saving grace, in that many Latinos might not reject a McCain ticket.

And that Clinton joke is rude, but funny.

she was a homely chile, definitely her mother's daughter, until she could afford good surgery and time away from the cameras......

still, what sane dude would want them for in-laws?

168 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:15:14am

re: #164 Killian Bundy

ASIA MARKETS
Stocks off lows on hopes bailout may be revived

It's still bad and the Asian markets haven't closed yet, but it's not as bad as it was earlier.

/let's all pray this upbeat attitude spreads to Europe later this morning, because our Congress ain't back in session until Wednesday at the earliest

And that might just be a blessing in disguise.

169 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:15:28am

re: #153 x-wing

But you call Mac scum And Palin white trash,and you want us to show you any kind of respect.

And concedes the election in September. He's quit on America. I can't respect that.

170 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:15:36am

re: #137 EIDE_Interface

All the abuse has been one-way.

/gee, think there might be a reason for that?

171 runrabbitrun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:15:56am

One more linky before beddy-bye....

Don't know if this has been posted before, but a doomsday fantasy formulation of Melanie Phillip's earlier lament, from the brilliantly wicked David Kahane: The Screw Alinsky Letters: Wormwood redux.

172 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:16:00am

re: #163 Sharmuta

LGF is not a clinic. LGF is not a therapy support group.

Amen Sister! Preach on!

not that it's church either, by most standards anyway. %-)

173 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:16:59am

re: #165 galloping granny

For what?

shits & grins?

(ELINT)

174 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:17:25am

re: #163 Sharmuta

LGF is not a clinic. LGF is not a therapy support group.


I know i feel better when i read stuff here.Well,,except for the special Ed guy.

175 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:17:27am

re: #166 Mel Lono

Let me try another tack. What is your favorite "Rubber Soul" song and why? I'm guessing Nowhere Man but enlighten me.

///know me

"In My Life" - it has a wistful quality to it.

176 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:18:28am

re: #142 Mel Lono

WTF? No guns? What about those nasty roos and crocs and spiders and God knows what else....

Aussies can own rifles and shotguns, just no semi autos. Bolt action and lever action rifles, and break open shotguns...I think pumps might have been banned.

PIstols can be owned as well but with a lot of bureaucratic restrictions.

The gun laws vary from state to state with Queensland being the least restrictive, IIRC. Queensland is where most of the crocs are BTW.

I've talked to a few Aussies here in Phoenix at the ranges who have told me not everyone turned their semi-autos in. There are probably a lot of L1A1's, AR-15's, Valmets and Ruger Mini-14's coated in cosmoline, sealed in plastic, and buried for the time when they might really be needed under that red Aussie dirt.

177 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:18:56am

re: #174 Oldasdirt

Yes- we do support each other in many ways, but that's not what I meant. Eide needs clinical help and that's not what LGF is for.

178 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:19:20am

re: #159 victor_yugo

I do, if she's cute enough. ;-)

you're offering to do Eddie, to improve it's mood?

you're either a noble and selfless lizard, or a world class pervert.

either way, i stand in awe.......

(backed into a corner. %-)

179 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:19:35am

re: #165 galloping granny
Give him his IP,,and mabey run him off? We do it where i fly online.The guy that runs the site knows how.

180 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:19:50am

re: #172 redc1c4

Amen Sister! Preach on!

not that it's church either, by most standards anyway. %-)

The Church of What's Happenin' Now!

181 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:19:57am

re: #168 galloping granny

And that might just be a blessing in disguise.

They have to do something ASAP.

/this is a much bigger and more systemic problem that the Federal Reserve and Treasury can staunch without help, the consequences are already manifesting themselves

182 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:20:00am

re: #174 Oldasdirt

I know i feel better when i read stuff here.Well,,except for the special Ed guy.

more informed and less alone, maybe. better? that depends.....

183 JeremyR  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:20:07am

re: #16 Moe Katz

EIDE_Interface

EIDE_Inyourface?

184 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:21:02am

re: #152 Colonel Panik

His support for amnesty may be our saving grace, in that many Latinos might not reject a McCain ticket.

And that Clinton joke is rude, but funny.

Many Latinos support McCain - including this guy - one of the hottest tickets around in Latin music these days.

185 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:21:28am

re: #178 redc1c4

you're either a noble and selfless lizard, or a world class pervert.

either way, i stand in awe.......

(backed into a corner. %-)

Oh, wow, redc1c4 in awe of little ol' me?

/the latter

186 capitalist piglet  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:22:01am

re: #143 galloping granny

Instead of sitting here arguing, go watch this -

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

This is by the same guy as did the Bad Company videos. And if it is as well documented as those, this is downright chilling.

I've been reading about all this stuff tonight, and I just watched this - I think my head is gong to explode.

John McCain has got to save us from this man. I hope the old Navy vet has one more tough fight in him.

187 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:22:48am

re: #175 EIDE_Interface

"In My Life" - it has a wistful quality to it.

In my Life

For all to hear, then.

188 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:23:11am

re: #176 Colonel Panik

Aussies can own rifles and shotguns, just no semi autos. Bolt action and lever action rifles, and break open shotguns...I think pumps might have been banned.

PIstols can be owned as well but with a lot of bureaucratic restrictions.

The gun laws vary from state to state with Queensland being the least restrictive, IIRC. Queensland is where most of the crocs are BTW.

I've talked to a few Aussies here in Phoenix at the ranges who have told me not everyone turned their semi-autos in. There are probably a lot of L1A1's, AR-15's, Valmets and Ruger Mini-14's coated in cosmoline, sealed in plastic, and buried for the time when they might really be needed under that red Aussie dirt.

No surprise there. Aussies come from the same stock Americans do.

189 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:23:19am

r: #176 Colonel Panik

Aussies can own rifles and shotguns, just no semi autos. Bolt action and lever action rifles, and break open shotguns...I think pumps might have been banned.

PIstols can be owned as well but with a lot of bureaucratic restrictions.

The gun laws vary from state to state with Queensland being the least restrictive, IIRC. Queensland is where most of the crocs are BTW.

I've talked to a few Aussies here in Phoenix at the ranges who have told me not everyone turned their semi-autos in. There are probably a lot of L1A1's, AR-15's, Valmets and Ruger Mini-14's coated in cosmoline, sealed in plastic, and buried for the time when they might really be needed under that red Aussie dirt.

not the same thing as having them handy when you really do (not "be") need them. and besides, they *are* illegal, so the govt can do whatever they want to you when you dig them up. how many people are up for a full on revolution?

190 JeremyR  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:23:24am

re: #152 Colonel Panik

His support for amnesty may be our saving grace, in that many Latinos might not reject a McCain ticket.

And that Clinton joke is rude, but funny.

Funny? its a riot.
As for Mccains stance on Amnesty, he realizes how difficult it will be to run them all out as long as businesses are willing to turn a blind eye. He wanted to fix the problem at the source, the people who hire and take advantage of them.
He had reasons, I just don't particularly agree with letting them stay.

191 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:23:37am

re: #186 capitalist piglet

I've been reading about all this stuff tonight, and I just watched this - I think my head is gong to explode.

John McCain has got to save us from this man. I hope the old Navy vet has one more tough fight in him.

Don't forget to watch part 2.

192 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:24:51am

re: #185 victor_yugo

Oh, wow, redc1c4 in awe of little ol' me?

/the latter

you always honor the threat.

then you move to neutralize and defeat it.....

/check 6! %-)

193 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:25:02am

Thanks for the Ayers videos, I'll have to catch up on them when I get the chance.

194 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:25:04am

re: #183 JeremyR


Funny that I allude to the Book of Lamentations and some cat named Jeremy appears! The name in its Hebrew form Yirmiyahu means "G-d will uplift"!

195 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:25:32am

re: #176 Colonel Panik

In the memory bank. Thank you.

196 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:26:36am

re: #194 Moe Katz

Funny that I allude to the Book of Lamentations and some cat named Jeremy appears! The name in its Hebrew form Yirmiyahu means "G-d will uplift"!

I can't believe in a god that would allow the Holocaust to happen.

197 capitalist piglet  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:26:49am

re: #191 galloping granny

Don't forget to watch part 2.


There's a part two? Okay...I'll go find it. (I'm gonna have nightmares, granny.)

198 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:26:52am

re: #189 redc1c4

r: #176 Colonel Panik

not the same thing as having them handy when you really do (not "be") need them. and besides, they *are* illegal, so the govt can do whatever they want to you when you dig them up. how many people are up for a full on revolution?

When a gajillion screaming Indonesian jihadis invade, I think the government will change it's tune pretty quick.

199 runrabbitrun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:26:54am

yoohoo galloping granny - thanks for the links to the videos, left an answer to your post including them in the prior thread - have a very good night and an even better morning dear lizards, all!

200 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:27:07am

re: #196 EIDE_Interface

I can't believe in a god that would allow the Holocaust to happen.

Oy.

201 JeremyR  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:27:19am

re: #194 Moe Katz

Funny that I allude to the Book of Lamentations and some cat named Jeremy appears! The name in its Hebrew form Yirmiyahu means "G-d will uplift"!

And my full name when slurred is Jeremiah.

202 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:27:37am

re: #196 EIDE_Interface

I can't believe in a god that would allow the Holocaust to happen.

but then again, you've already said you don't believe......

203 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:27:57am

re: #196 EIDE_Interface

I can't believe in a god that would allow the Holocaust to happen.

Do you believe in a God that allowed the world to happen?

204 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:28:56am

re: #185 victor_yugo

Oh, wow, redc1c4 in awe of little ol' me?

/the latter

Hey if you're willing to take one for the team, you have my respect :>}

205 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:29:01am

re: #201 JeremyR

And my full name when slurred is Jeremiah.

Yes!

206 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:30:00am

re: #205 Moe Katz

Yes!

However, the claim that he was a bullfrog is disputed by scholars.

207 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:30:13am

re: #203 Mel Lono

Do you believe in a God that allowed the world to happen?

I don't believe in any supernatural beings to begin with. If you study history, you'd know why humans came up with supernatural beings, because they didn't understand the forces of nature. Then later, some people cynically used their own people's superstitions to form priesthoods and so on. That's how organized religion came into being. I don't doubt that there are many true believers - but their superstitions are preyed upon by opportunistic priests/rabbis/imams.

208 JeremyR  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:30:13am

re: #196 EIDE_Interface

I can't believe in a god that would allow the Holocaust to happen.

Would you rather cower before a GOD who is controling and strikes men dead for merely thinking an impure thought? GOD gave us free will. Bad things happen as a result. GOD is also JUST. in the end the bad get their just reward.

209 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:30:23am

re: #181 Killian Bundy

They have to do something ASAP.

/this is a much bigger and more systemic problem that the Federal Reserve and Treasury can staunch without help, the consequences are already manifesting themselves

Killian, one thing I have learned over a long lifetime of crisis and disasters - societal, medical and personal - is that sometimes when everyone is running around like chickens with no heads screaming that the sky if falling and something MUST be done right this minute, the very best thing to do is to step back and breathe.

Frankly, the more that people scream that nobody understands and the sky if falling and some bill, any bill at any price, must be passed this very instant, the more convinced I become that this "crisis" is really just a manufactured event intending to stampede the public.

I repeat: it was predicted right here on these boards about 2.5 months ago by a fellow lizard that there would be a huge bank failure of at least one of the largest banks in the country (he specified top 4) on or around October 1. If he knew about it, then why the hell didn't the Feds know about it, and why was nothing put into the works 2.5 months ago?

210 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:31:19am

re: #198 Colonel Panik

When a gajillion screaming Indonesian jihadis invade


Indo is like, North Aus right?

211 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:31:30am

re: #181 Killian Bundy

They have to do something ASAP.

/this is a much bigger and more systemic problem that the Federal Reserve and Treasury can staunch without help, the consequences are already manifesting themselves

You are right, but...

The harder things fall, the more discussion there will be about this, and it will trace back to the Dems' fecklessness regarding the health of our Republic. Nancy and Dingy Harry can scream all they want, but the truth will out: the dominoes were lined up under the Dems' watch. If anything, the louder they scream, the more people will wonder about that famous quote from Shakespeare: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Want proof? The wire from al-AP is already carrying the spin to cover the Dems' collective ass.

You can see that as "cutting off my nose to spite my face," or as "it's an ill wind that blows nobody good." Sadly, they both appear correct to me.

212 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:31:30am

re: #197 capitalist piglet

There's a part two? Okay...I'll go find it. (I'm gonna have nightmares, granny.)

Better now than later. There is still time now.

213 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:31:31am

re: #182 redc1c4

more informed and less alone, maybe. better? that depends.....


No! This place is very uplifting,It's like you know you not alone in your thoughts.Real people,not news people,or raidio people,but just everyday Americans,feeling the way you do about lots of subjects.Your voices make me feel stronger.

214 JeremyR  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:31:46am

re: #206 Moe Katz

However, the claim that he was a bullfrog is disputed by scholars.

Never heard me sing have you? (neither has anyone else though.)

215 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:32:39am

re: #190 JeremyR

Funny? its a riot.
As for Mccains stance on Amnesty, he realizes how difficult it will be to run them all out as long as businesses are willing to turn a blind eye. He wanted to fix the problem at the source, the people who hire and take advantage of them.
He had reasons, I just don't particularly agree with letting them stay.


Slowly but surely

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

216 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:33:57am

re: #207 EIDE_Interface

Well this will blow your mind, then. I believe in parallel universes, string theory and that aliens have visited our planet, except it's just for a family reunion.

217 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:34:09am

re: #207 EIDE_Interface

I don't believe in any supernatural beings to begin with. If you study history, you'd know why humans came up with supernatural beings, because they didn't understand the forces of nature. Then later, some people cynically used their own people's superstitions to form priesthoods and so on. That's how organized religion came into being. I don't doubt that there are many true believers - but their superstitions are preyed upon by opportunistic priests/rabbis/imams.

so, would you describe yourself as an atheist?

/just curious

218 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:35:10am

re: #216 Mel Lono

Well this will blow your mind, then. I believe in parallel universes, string theory and that aliens have visited our planet, except it's just for a family reunion.

You believe in those things without any proof. String theory in particular has not a single shred of rock solid evidence to support it. In fact it's debatable to even call it a theory. I only believe in those things that are provable, graspable. Rock solid.

219 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:35:32am

re: #217 redc1c4

so, would you describe yourself as an atheist?

/just curious

I already stated so earlier, no?

220 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:35:46am

re: #213 Oldasdirt

No! This place is very uplifting,It's like you know you not alone in your thoughts.Real people,not news people,or raidio people,but just everyday Americans,feeling the way you do about lots of subjects.Your voices make me feel stronger.

Yes- in that regard we are very much a support to one another. Still doesn't make us a clinic for the truly depressed.

But I still don't know if that's what's going on here. I feel it's almost as though the support we DO offer each other here is being sabotaged with the daily barrage of pessimism.

221 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:35:49am

re: #208 JeremyR

Would you rather cower before a GOD who is controling and strikes men dead for merely thinking an impure thought? GOD gave us free will. Bad things happen as a result. GOD is also JUST. in the end the bad get their just reward.

inshallah...............

/ %-)

222 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:37:19am

re: #219 EIDE_Interface

I already stated so earlier, no?

sorry, but i usually scroll past your posts.

you realize, of course, that atheism is just another belief construct, and no different from any other religious belief, right?

223 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:37:32am

re: #218 EIDE_Interface

You believe in those things without any proof. String theory in particular has not a single shred of rock solid evidence to support it. In fact it's debatable to even call it a theory. I only believe in those things that are provable, graspable. Rock solid.

That is because you lack faith.

224 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:37:44am

re: #217 redc1c4

so, would you describe yourself as an atheist?

/just curious

Of course he wouldn't. He did not say "There is no god" - which is the definition of atheism. He said "I cannot believe in a God that would allow the Holocaust to happen." He acknowledges the existence of God. The failure is in his understanding and discernment.

225 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:37:59am

re: #204 x-wing

Hey if you're willing to take one for the team, you have my respect :>}

and my MOPP suit.

%-)

226 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:38:29am

re: #218 EIDE_Interface

You believe in those things without any proof. String theory in particular has not a single shred of rock solid evidence to support it. In fact it's debatable to even call it a theory. I only believe in those things that are provable, graspable. Rock solid.

Can you grasp $700,000,000,000?

227 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:38:38am

The missus sez I need to go to bed. 'Night lizards.

228 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:39:01am

re: #227 Moe Katz

Bye, Moe!

229 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:39:17am

re: #222 redc1c4

sorry, but i usually scroll past your posts.

you realize, of course, that atheism is just another belief construct, and no different from any other religious belief, right?

Then I'm probably agnostic. However atheists would call that position a copout, as agnosticism leaves an out to believe in a god. But that's not my position. I am open to any possibilities out there, but it's a waste of time to hope for that.

230 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:39:20am

re: #210 Mel Lono

Indo is like, North Aus right?

Yes, they are just to the north of Australia. At least the last time I looked at a map. Things might have shifted a bit because of the 9.0 earthquake.

The Aussies have been a bit leery of Indonesia since the end of WWII. A burgeoning population, too much communist inspired political turmoil in the 1960's, and now Islamic militancy. When Indonesia invaded East Timor in the late 1970's I've heard the Aussie military went on full alert. That was a major bone of contention between Indonesia and Australia as the Timorese had helped an Aussie army unit escape encirclement by the Japanese in WWII.

IIRC, one of Bin Ladin's complaints against us infidels was the Aussie peacekeeping forces in East Timor in the late 90's who helped push the Indonesians out.

231 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:39:29am

re: #204 x-wing

Hey if you're willing to take one for the team, you have my respect :>}

As I said, if she's cute enough...

232 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:40:13am

re: #226 victor_yugo

Can you grasp $700,000,000,000?

Which is why I oppose the bailout. Unfortunately it seems some LGFers are in favor of it.

233 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:40:15am

re: #210 Mel Lono

Indo is like, North Aus right?

north west, mostly.... and they're not getting anywhere as long as Oz has a Navy & AF and the will to use them.

234 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:40:16am

re: #220 Sharmuta

But I still don't know if that's what's going on here. I feel it's almost as though the support we DO offer each other here is being sabotaged with the daily barrage of pessimism.

I have noticed that myself.

235 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:41:10am

Aren't we supposed to get fruit cups or something?

236 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:41:41am

re: #218 EIDE_Interface

You believe in those things without any proof. String theory in particular has not a single shred of rock solid evidence to support it. In fact it's debatable to even call it a theory. I only believe in those things that are provable, graspable. Rock solid.


GAZE GAZE GAZE

237 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:42:33am

New article from Michael J. Totten:

The War Won't End in Afghanistan

238 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:42:39am

Maybe there is a nihilistic streak in me that causes me to go on these pessimistic rampages all over the blogosphere, not just here. I know it's evil, but I did it anyways.

239 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:42:50am

re: #230 Colonel Panik

Yes, they are just to the north of Australia. At least the last time I looked at a map. Things might have shifted a bit because of the 9.0 earthquake.

The Aussies have been a bit leery of Indonesia since the end of WWII. A burgeoning population, too much communist inspired political turmoil in the 1960's, and now Islamic militancy. When Indonesia invaded East Timor in the late 1970's I've heard the Aussie military went on full alert. That was a major bone of contention between Indonesia and Australia as the Timorese had helped an Aussie army unit escape encirclement by the Japanese in WWII.

IIRC, one of Bin Ladin's complaints against us infidels was the Aussie peacekeeping forces in East Timor in the late 90's who helped push the Indonesians out.

Now correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't Barrak Hussein Obama's communist mother live in Indonesia - along with Barry - in the 60s. Interesting.

240 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:42:58am

re: #235 DesertSage

5 am Eastern, 2 Pacific.

241 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:43:00am

re: #218 EIDE_Interface

You believe in those things without any proof. String theory in particular has not a single shred of rock solid evidence to support it. In fact it's debatable to even call it a theory. I only believe in those things that are provable, graspable. Rock solid.

and yet, so many of your posts here are purest unprovable bullshit....

it's enough to make a man religious.

/or drink! %-)

242 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:43:30am
I know it's evil, but I did it anyways.

The definition of trolling.

243 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:43:58am

re: #240 Sharmuta

5 am Eastern, 2 Pacific.

modifications, however, can happen at anytime..... %-)

/sample?

244 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:44:00am

re: #222 redc1c4

sorry, but i usually scroll past your posts.

you realize, of course, that atheism is just another belief construct, and no different from any other religious belief, right?

:whack:

245 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:44:04am
246 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:44:11am

re: #235 DesertSage

Aren't we supposed to get fruit cups or something?

Not until Littleoldlady shows up at 5 am.

247 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:44:39am

re: #216 Mel Lono

except it's just for a family reunion.

WHO TOLD YOU?!

248 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:44:40am

re: #243 redc1c4

LOL!

249 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:45:04am

re: #171 runrabbitrun

One more linky before beddy-bye....

Don't know if this has been posted before, but a doomsday fantasy formulation of Melanie Phillip's earlier lament, from the brilliantly wicked David Kahane: The Screw Alinsky Letters: Wormwood redux.

Good god. That's almost as depressing as an EIDE_Interface post!

250 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:45:27am

re: #238 EIDE_Interface

Maybe there is a nihilistic streak in me that causes me to go on these pessimistic rampages all over the blogosphere, not just here. I know it's evil, but I did it anyways.

your doctor can help you.

if you can't afford the meds, cancel your ISP and divert the funds: then everyone wins.

251 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:46:04am

re: #240 Sharmuta

5 am Eastern, 2 Pacific.

Damn...I won't be able to make it.

Obama scares the living crap out of me!
I truly believe that this man is dangerous.

252 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:46:42am

re: #250 redc1c4

your doctor can help you.

if you can't afford the meds, cancel your ISP and divert the funds: then everyone wins.

Unfortunately, anti-depressants these days are running $200 and up for a month's supply. Your average ISP bill might cover part of a week.

253 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:46:48am

re: #211 victor_yugo

You are right, but...

The harder things fall, the more discussion there will be about this, and it will trace back to the Dems' fecklessness regarding the health of our Republic.

3000 2220 points on the DOW is way too high a price to pay for more discussion about that.

/but that's just me

254 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:47:02am

Sneaks some early fruitcup to Sage...

255 JeremyR  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:47:17am

re: #246 galloping granny

Not until Littleoldlady shows up at 5 am.

re: #247 littleoldlady

5 AM already? Good night all, I gotta be up by 6:30.

256 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:47:20am
257 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:47:33am

re: #251 DesertSage

Damn...I won't be able to make it.

Obama scares the living crap out of me!
I truly believe that this man is dangerous.

You and me both. The single most dangerous empty suit I've seen in my lifetime. Huge potential for destruction and evil.

258 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:47:37am

re: #239 galloping granny

Now correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't Barrak Hussein Obama's communist mother live in Indonesia - along with Barry - in the 60s. Interesting.

Yes, her second husband was an Indonesian who was a little bit leftist, a little bit Muslim...

Remember the little spat Barry got into with (regrettably now former) Aussie Prime Minister John Howard?

259 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:48:16am

With the way the economy is going, nobody will be able to afford medications of any kind.

260 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:48:21am

Yay....fruitcup!

:') Thanks littleoldlady

261 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:48:35am

I'm thinking of installing one next year if Obamination gets elected ! :)

262 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:50:02am

re: #253 Killian Bundy

3000 2220 points on the DOW is way too high a price to pay for more discussion about that.

/but that's just me

What 2200 points? It was down about 700 at close last night. Didn't even make the top ten as far as percentage of total goes. BTW, I watched the ticker. The market was actually going up hand over fist until Pelosi and company went on TV after the vote and started yapping.

Why are you borrowing trouble that has not yet occurred?

263 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:50:57am

re: #239 galloping granny

I distinctly remember the 0ne taking cheap shots at Howard when he was PM...something along the lines of Autralia not sending enough troops to the Iraqi war that 0bama was against anyway.

Unfortunately, the 0ne and Kevin Rudd would get along like two peas in a pod.

264 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:51:57am

re: #244 x-wing

:whack:

good thing i had my Kevlar on.....

i see that truth is as unpopular here as anywhere.

265 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:52:02am

If the Obamatons can threaten the first amendment this much before the election, how long before he completely abolishes it if he gets elected?

Are we looking at a Wilsonian type police state....or something worse?

266 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:52:15am

re: #259 EIDE_Interface

With the way the economy is going, nobody will be able to afford medications of any kind.

Sure they will. Note I did not mention the cost to manufacture that average antidepressant. Well under $5 or so. We pay a tremendous markup here in the US to the drug companies - far and away more than anyone else in the world. Easily double, sometimes far more than that.

If the drug companies can't sell their drugs at $200 a month, they can sell it for $20 like they do in Canada and still make money.

267 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:52:29am

re: #265 DesertSage

If the Obamatons can threaten the first amendment this much before the election, how long before he completely abolishes it if he gets elected?

Are we looking at a Wilsonian type police state....or something worse?

Worse.

268 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:52:52am

re: #245 Sharmuta

SABATOGE

John Cale did a much better song by the same name, but i couldn't find a link.

269 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:53:13am

re: #247 littleoldlady

WHO TOLD YOU?!

I like to think I'm an old soul. No proof yet though.

270 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:53:36am

re: #258 Colonel Panik

Yes, her second husband was an Indonesian who was a little bit leftist, a little bit Muslim...

Remember the little spat Barry got into with (regrettably now former) Aussie Prime Minister John Howard?

No, that one has somehow slipped under my radar.

271 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:53:39am

re: #259 EIDE_Interface

With the way the economy is going, nobody will be able to afford medications of any kind.

Weeuns 'll still be able to pick bitteroot and sassafras.

272 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:53:49am

re: #266 galloping granny

Sure they will. Note I did not mention the cost to manufacture that average antidepressant. Well under $5 or so. We pay a tremendous markup here in the US to the drug companies - far and away more than anyone else in the world. Easily double, sometimes far more than that.

If the drug companies can't sell their drugs at $200 a month, they can sell it for $20 like they do in Canada and still make money.

Anti-depressants have horrible side effects from what I've heard. Besides only people with actual chemical imbalance should take those, not just people bummed about Obama.

273 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:53:59am

Okay, y'all, time for me to head elsewhere. G'nite.

274 Killian Bundy[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:54:04am
275 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:54:07am

I really want to leave LA should Obama get elected. I'm really scared the "First Year Test" theory is going to come true. Happened with Clinton and 1993 WTC, Bush and 9/11, and now Obama (hell, even McCain isn't immune to this) and 2009.

Shit.

276 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:55:05am

re: #252 galloping granny

Unfortunately, anti-depressants these days are running $200 and up for a month's supply. Your average ISP bill might cover part of a week.

it'd buy enough diphenhydramine to keep him asleep, or at least drowsy, and might even cover the chlorpromazine option instead... %-)

277 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:55:32am

re: #274 Killian Bundy

If you're not a moby, you might want to just OD or shoot yourself, up through the roof of your mouth.

/in any case, you're in the wrong place, seriously ask for help here or elsewhere

Wow that's pure class. Inciting someone to off themselves. A new high(low?).

278 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:56:10am

re: #264 redc1c4

good thing i had my Kevlar on.....

i see that truth is as unpopular here as anywhere.

I was directing that at EIDE for your slap at him.

/ I gave you a 10 on execution

279 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:56:46am

re: #239 galloping granny


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the British help the Malaysians put down a communist insurrection in Malay territory that was being fomented in part by Indonesia around the same time the 0ne's m0m was living there?

280 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:57:31am

re: #279 Fenway_Nation

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the British help the Malaysians put down a communist insurrection in Malay territory that was being fomented in part by Indonesia around the same time the 0ne's m0m was living there?

That isn't jogging any memories with me. Let me consult the internet.

281 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:58:40am

re: #254 littleoldlady

Sneaks some early fruitcup to Sage. with ealry modifications..

fixed that for ya!

282 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 12:59:35am

re: #278 x-wing

I was directing that at EIDE for your slap at him.

/ I gave you a 10 on execution

then the Kevlar was good protection for the splatter.... %-)

283 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:00:14am

re: #277 EIDE_Interface

Wow that's pure class. Inciting someone to off themselves. A new high(low?).


O.K. drama queen, give it a rest, you're really starting to sound like Edgar now.

/go a pair for shits sake

284 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:00:39am

re: #262 galloping granny

Why are you borrowing trouble that has not yet occurred?

I watch level II quotes.

The market went down ~100 points in the ten minutes after the closing bell, while they processed the avalanche of "at close" sell orders.

/I don't need to borrow that, it happened and it was disturbing

285 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:01:11am

re: #280 galloping granny

That isn't jogging any memories with me. Let me consult the internet.

I'm not seeing a reference to that here, though Malaysia was part of the British empire until the late 50s.

[Link: www.kiat.net...]

286 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:01:38am

re: #275 TheMatrix31

I really want to leave LA should Obama get elected. I'm really scared the "First Year Test" theory is going to come true. Happened with Clinton and 1993 WTC, Bush and 9/11, and now Obama (hell, even McCain isn't immune to this) and 2009.

Shit.

as long as the Valley isn't the target, we're good.

gotta talk to the boss about the house budget.....

too bad razor wire is $110/bundle.

287 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:02:19am

re: #286 redc1c4

as long as the Valley isn't the target, we're good.

gotta talk to the boss about the house budget.....

too bad razor wire is $110/bundle.

Hey, a nuke and favorable wind conditions, and we'll be screwed! Where in the Valley are you?

288 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:02:25am

re: #281 redc1c4

fixed that for ya!

SPELLCHECK! ;-)

'Morning, red.

289 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:02:37am

re: #284 Killian Bundy

I watch level II quotes.

The market went down ~100 points in the ten minutes after the closing bell, while they processed the avalanche of "at close" sell orders.

/I don't need to borrow that, it happened and it was disturbing

The 700 accounted for that. There is one whole hell of a lot of difference between 100 points after the bell and a 450% inflation of the figure. You are hysterical and manufacturing crisis.

290 Ledger1  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:03:15am

re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor

So how is this financial madness going to affect me, the little guy? --Pawn of the Oppressor

I think it provides you with a buying opportunity if you have an Iron Stomach.

As a general rule you should always buy in on weakness and sell on strength (or buy low and sell high).

There are plenty of Blue Chip stocks that are selling at low prices. There are some good real estate deals if you look hard enough.

In the 1929 stock market crash Blue chip stocks were selling at about 10 cents on the dollar and after a few years returned to their highs. Sure some took longer but they increased nicely.

On a similar note, I have to laugh at democrat Pelosi and her stupid partisan comments:

"When President Bush took office, he inherited President Clinton's surpluses {cough cough}... And with his reckless economic policies within two years, he had turned that around ... and now eight years later the foundation of that fiscal irresponsibility…has taken us to where we are today…”

I can just hear Arnold Schwarzenegger's rebuttal:

"...With Grey Davis’ and Nancy Pelosi’s reckless economic policies, over-regulation and fiscal irresponsibility the Great State of California when from a surplus to sea of red (ink) that would make Osama Bin Laden proud..."

"Quite frankly, Grey Davis and Nancy Pelosi are well versed in Ponzi schemes and how to sell them to the public."

"Nancy Pelosi is a fraud and danger to the public."

291 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:04:06am

re: #288 littleoldlady

SPELLCHECK! ;-)

'Morning, red.

cheers! want some sauvignon blanc for your coffee?

292 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:04:50am

DesertSage,

You have that desert. You can grow stuff and live. If Obama is elected I'm stuck in Hawaii. I took one of the last planes out of Saigon, I might have to do it out of Honolulu.

293 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:06:51am

re: #156 redc1c4

dude: i'm a Usenet veteran of the great flame wars of olde, and you're just a sad lame troll. your stench is detectable upwind and you fool only those souls given to kindness.

you have dehumanized yourself, and sympathy is in the dictionary, right between "shit" & "syphilis", which is what it's worth and all you'll get here.

you should ask for the stick as a mercy in your hour of need.

/but you don't have the cojones for that, do you?

ahhh usenet remember those days full of pron and warez

294 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:07:23am

re: #293 JimmyTheClaw

ahhh usenet remember those days full of pron and warez

Yup - with great fondness.

295 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:08:12am

re: #292 tommoon

let's see if I get this...
ZerObama gets elected and the NVA will come sweeping in?
Niihau first? or moving north from Kona?

296 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:08:13am

re: #289 galloping granny

The 700 accounted for that. There is one whole hell of a lot of difference between 100 points after the bell and a 450% inflation of the figure. You are hysterical and manufacturing crisis.

At the closing bell, the DOW wasn't down 700, it was closer to 650.

Hysterical? I have the [expletive deleted] interactive chart!

/and I can read

297 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:08:51am

re: #291 redc1c4

No thanks.

/blech. bad mix.
//got 'buca?

298 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:09:37am

re: #294 galloping granny

Yup - with great fondness.

remember when 28.8 was screaming access?

299 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:10:07am

re: #296 Killian Bundy

At the closing bell, the DOW wasn't down 700, it was closer to 650.

Hysterical? I have the [expletive deleted] interactive chart!

/and I can read

Yes, and the final number was 700 someodd as reported by Fox. Big number but it did not even make the top ten of biggest market losses on a percentage basis.

You are hysterical.

300 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:11:25am

re: #298 redc1c4

remember when 28.8 was screaming access?

Rolling on the floor! I remember when you practically couldn't get access unless you were associated with a college or university.

301 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:11:41am

re: #297 littleoldlady

No thanks.

/blech. bad mix.
//got 'buca?

got Khileua or what ever here somewhere...... or maybe brandy?

and some champagne with your breakfast fruit, before the eggs benedict, ok?

302 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:11:54am

re: #239 galloping granny

Now correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't Barrak Hussein Obama's communist mother live in Indonesia - along with Barry - in the 60s. Interesting.

Actually the Indonesian communists were mostly Chinese ethnically although Sukarno was a 'tarred in the wool' socialist of the first water too! The Indonesians butchered 100,000 Indonesian Chinese communists mostly for ethnic reasons and just plain envy. Suharto took over and pretty much ripped off the nation to the tune of billions. In Borneo the Aussies Brits Kiwis and Malaysians fought the Indonesians for years in the war of 'Confrontation', after the Indons attempted to invade Malaysia tactically to cause trouble. Pretty soon the war shifted from the Malaysian States in Northern Borneo into Indonesian owned central and Southern Borneo. The Kiwi Brit and Aussie SAS especially used to lay in ambush and cut the Indons to pieces as they left their staging camps deep inside Indonesia. After a while the Indons got sick of dying and called quits. Then they invaded Timor and we started it all over again. We used to exercise in Northern Australia with our nominal enemy the .... 'Masourians' but everyone knew that we were meaning the Indonesians. For low intensity warefare exerciuses we used the ... Kamorians... but again we and the Indonesians knew that it was the Indonesians who were seen as the enemy. Many a time I have had to defens the Rum Jungle uranium mines and transport hubs from Kamorian Raider Battalions! hehehe It was sometimes funny when we had Indonesian observers at the exercises. They thought that it was a joke but they new who we were preparing for!
Now the current Indon regime has let the Islamist cat out of the bag and there is going to be hell to pay. TNI (the Indon army0 is pretty lame and is only capable of killing civilians and imposing internal order. KOMPASS however the Indon Special Forces are quite capable and could cause some trouble. Currently the Indonesian forces can't sustain more than a reinforced Brigade group in Expeditionary mode. They would be encouraged to wander deep into Northern Australia where the SAS and NORFORCE would kill off anyone who managed not to die of thirst, hunger or crocodiles! Meanwhile anything Indonesian floating in the Timor sea would end up forming yet another reef as the RAAF and RAN dominate that strip of water. The main threat to Australia is from within and the radicalized Muslim minority in the southeastern cities.

303 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:12:00am

Texas Secession is neither left nor right politically. We accept members of many political persuasions: pro-life, pro-choice, pro-gun, environmentalist, pro-immigration, anti-immigration, anti-war, pro-tax funded education, anti-tax funded education, pro-war on drugs, pro-drug freedom, etc. We do have one common issue: Texas Independence! Does Texas have the resources to be in independent nation? Texas has 23,507,783 people; 11% larger than Australia. 79% of the nations have populations smaller than Texas. Texas GDP is $1,065,891,000,000; 32% larger than Australia. 93% of the nations have a GDP smaller than Texas.
This group is starting to get some traction.With this bailout,and the possibility of Obama becomming president im affraid this little movement could take off.
Now by no means am i for this,but i got a ton of neighbors talking this up.Kinda scary.Now im a Texan,but im an American first. And Texas is not the only state pondering this.
If O wins,do you guys think a thing like this could going?

304 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:12:16am

IslandLibertarian

His policy will first disable the military and that will destroy what is now a slow Hawaii economy. But, first we will build a 4 billon dollar rail system. I'll take a flight on MAC out of Hickam, easier than Saigon and probalby no NVA.

305 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:12:49am
The Dow closed Monday down 777 points, the largest point loss in a single day.


I'm so glad it didn't plunge 666 points,
the media would have blamed this crisis on our Christian superstitions.
Idiots-

I need some fruitcup with bourbon.

my AIG stock lost 100 percent.

2.50 -0.65 (-20.63%) Sep 29 4:11pm ET
Open: 3.35
High: 3.52
Low: 2.50

306 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:13:46am

re: #300 galloping granny

Rolling on the floor! I remember when you practically couldn't get access unless you were associated with a college or university.

first time i had any computer experience was at CSULB where a friend of mine was in the program and a member of the club..... late 70's.
dummy me didn't grasp the importance then.

307 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:13:53am

re: #299 galloping granny

Yes, and the final number was 700 someodd as reported by Fox. Big number but it did not even make the top ten of biggest market losses on a percentage basis.

You are hysterical.

And the final number was -777.68 as reported by the NYSE, they're called facts.

/and you have absolutely no idea what you're spouting off about

308 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:14:22am

Bloody typos. I can spell .... really i can! hehehe

309 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:14:33am

re: #296 Killian Bundy

At the closing bell, the DOW wasn't down 700, it was closer to 650.

Hysterical? I have the [expletive deleted] interactive chart!

/and I can read


I don't know alot about this , but the bill congress was voting on 700 billion to take care of this problem.
The fed pumped 630 billion into the banks yesterday. Are you saying that 70 more billion would've solved this?

I'm not being an ass, just asking


[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

310 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:14:41am

re: #301 redc1c4

Kahlua would work in a pinch.

/hope you're stocking up on the drugs we'll need...

311 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:15:09am

re: #277 EIDE_Interface

Did I, or Did I not just slit your flabby small things on a previous post pages ago ya small thingy wanker? If ya missed it ..."SAY HELO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!" THUD, THUD, THUD!

312 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:15:38am

re: #303 Oldasdirt

Texas Secession is neither left nor right politically. We accept members of many political persuasions: pro-life, pro-choice, pro-gun, environmentalist, pro-immigration, anti-immigration, anti-war, pro-tax funded education, anti-tax funded education, pro-war on drugs, pro-drug freedom, etc. We do have one common issue: Texas Independence! Does Texas have the resources to be in independent nation? Texas has 23,507,783 people; 11% larger than Australia. 79% of the nations have populations smaller than Texas. Texas GDP is $1,065,891,000,000; 32% larger than Australia. 93% of the nations have a GDP smaller than Texas.
This group is starting to get some traction.With this bailout,and the possibility of Obama becomming president im affraid this little movement could take off.
Now by no means am i for this,but i got a ton of neighbors talking this up.Kinda scary.Now im a Texan,but im an American first. And Texas is not the only state pondering this.
If O wins,do you guys think a thing like this could going?



If Obama wins we will see the end of the United States of America.

313 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:16:19am

re: #302 Aussie Infidel

what he said....

314 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:17:05am

re: #298 redc1c4

remember when 28.8 was screaming access?

my 486 sx25 with a 14.4 screamed much better than a commodore with the superfast 300 baud modem

315 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:19:56am

re: #312 galloping granny


If Obama wins we will see the end of the United States of America.

the butt hole is up in all their stupid polls.

/wait until the women and racists vote kicks in.

316 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:20:05am

re: #314 JimmyTheClaw

my 486 sx25 with a 14.4 screamed much better than a commodore with the superfast 300 baud modem

My old copy of WordPerfect fit on a 1MB floppy with plenty or room left for the special science & math character set and a 100 page thesis. Today's Word takes up an entire Gig and doesn't have a science/math character set.

317 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:20:18am

re: #306 redc1c4

first time i had any computer experience was at CSULB where a friend of mine was in the program and a member of the club..... late 70's.
dummy me didn't grasp the importance then.

i went to a school run by lehigh university we had access to the computers through a (push the phone in the cups) modem no monitor just this real wide green and white paper printout had lots of fun playing hunt the wump wump

318 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:20:20am

re: #303 Oldasdirt

Texas Secession is neither left nor right politically. We accept members of many political persuasions: pro-life, pro-choice, pro-gun, environmentalist, pro-immigration, anti-immigration, anti-war, pro-tax funded education, anti-tax funded education, pro-war on drugs, pro-drug freedom, etc. We do have one common issue: Texas Independence! Does Texas have the resources to be in independent nation? Texas has 23,507,783 people; 11% larger than Australia. 79% of the nations have populations smaller than Texas. Texas GDP is $1,065,891,000,000; 32% larger than Australia. 93% of the nations have a GDP smaller than Texas.
This group is starting to get some traction.With this bailout,and the possibility of Obama becomming president im affraid this little movement could take off.
Now by no means am i for this,but i got a ton of neighbors talking this up.Kinda scary.Now im a Texan,but im an American first. And Texas is not the only state pondering this.
If O wins,do you guys think a thing like this could going?

got room for two more?

(preferably where the weather is only bad, not totally sucky. %-)

319 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:20:47am

re: #309 x-wing

I don't know alot about this , but the bill congress was voting on 700 billion to take care of this problem.
The fed pumped 630 billion into the banks yesterday. Are you saying that 70 more billion would've solved this?

I'm not being an ass, just asking

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

These "toxic" mortgages derivatives have to see sunshine.

/no institution will lend to another institution if they can't effectively Gage the creditworthiness of the potential borrower, that's exactly where we're all at today

320 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:22:40am

re: #312 galloping granny

Merlot, not working. Can I chew on the couch? If not, how about the front bumper of the Volvo across the street? I pee'd on the tires of the BMW down the block but I didn't feel fulfilled.....this is getting desperate...

321 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:22:53am

re: #303 Oldasdirt

Nice to know us clingy and bitter Pennsylvanians will have somewhere to go...

322 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:24:26am

re: #318 redc1c4

got room for two more?

(preferably where the weather is only bad, not totally sucky. %-)

Sure we do,but we may have to liberate Houston if we become a republic.
So bring guns,and ammo.

323 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:25:03am

re: #315 ibmkeyboard

the butt hole is up in all their stupid polls.

/wait until the women and racists vote kicks in.

I am serious when I tell you that I believe those polls are being rigged to an almost unbelievable degree. A decent pollster can make a poll say pretty much anything they want it to say. There is an ad online that says "Tell us who you are voting for. Tell us your zip code. Collect your gas card." That is NOT a poll that is constructed to give a real answer. One of the pollsters admitted on Fox a few days back that his poll is spotting Obama 6 or 8 points because of his blackness. So, if his real number is 42, they call it as 50 because he is black. And many of the polls are deliberately stacking the polls with extra democrats and calling members of code pink independents.

324 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:25:10am

re: #308 Aussie Infidel

Ah

Walking on fire?

325 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:26:01am

re: #320 nightwatch

Merlot, not working. Can I chew on the couch? If not, how about the front bumper of the Volvo across the street? I pee'd on the tires of the BMW down the block but I didn't feel fulfilled.....this is getting desperate...

Killian should give you something to chew on.

326 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:26:13am

re: #321 littleoldlady

Nice to know us clingy and bitter Pennsylvanians will have somewhere to go...

Ah come on, we can push Philly into the Atlantic, they just talk tough.

327 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:26:22am

re: #313 redc1c4

I spend a bit of time up in Indonesia now. Mostly on business. There are Australian Ministries who still have their heads up their arses in regard to Indonesia. Recently an Indonesian business colleague of mine wanted to 'shop' a group of Islamist terrorists in training at Lombok. I tried the Australian Federal Police and other security agencies and all I got was .... are you from the press? Go away this is sensitive and we don't want to upset the Indonesians at this time. Pathetic! There was also a group of 5 Australian pedophiles operating out of Bali preying in Indonesian youngsters. They were in it hand and glove with the some local Indonesian cops and justice ministries. Again the Aussie cops refused to even accept the freely offered information. Pathetic! I'm not into conspiracy theories but sometimes one has to ask why things are the way they are!

328 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:26:40am

re: #323 galloping granny

Maybe there's an upside? It'll scare enough people to get out and vote, and let the Leftists be complacent?

329 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:26:56am

re: #319 Killian Bundy

Gage

/gauge

330 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:27:30am

re: #326 x-wing

Ah come on, we can push Philly into the Atlantic, they just talk tough.

You kinda have to get through New Jersey first.

/lots of pine trees in the way...

331 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:28:16am

re: #322 Oldasdirt

Sure we do,but we may have to liberate Houston if we become a republic.
So bring guns,and ammo.

i just figgered that was a given..... we're even willing to use them if necessary, if that's a plus.

332 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:28:30am

re: #328 littleoldlady

Maybe there's an upside? It'll scare enough people to get out and vote, and let the Leftists be complacent?

I'm hoping that will be the case. The intent of course is to convince all those who just have to vote for the winner that Obama is going to be the winner.

333 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:29:01am

re: #330 littleoldlady

You kinda have to get through New Jersey first.

/lots of pine trees in the way...

them ain't pine trees.... they're sapplings.

/west coast

334 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:29:24am

Seeking......Killian.....vector, targeting...LOCK

335 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:29:35am

The first rule to the Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy is "Don't Panic".

336 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:29:37am

re: #323 galloping granny
Im thinking the poles are rigged,,and you watch.It's gonna backfire on the dumb Dems.It will scare more conservitives into the voteing booth.
I hope,OMG I hope.

337 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:31:06am

re: #323 galloping granny

I am serious when I tell you that I believe those polls are being rigged to an almost unbelievable degree. A decent pollster can make a poll say pretty much anything they want it to say. There is an ad online that says "Tell us who you are voting for. Tell us your zip code. Collect your gas card." That is NOT a poll that is constructed to give a real answer. One of the pollsters admitted on Fox a few days back that his poll is spotting Obama 6 or 8 points because of his blackness. So, if his real number is 42, they call it as 50 because he is black. And many of the polls are deliberately stacking the polls with extra democrats and calling members of code pink independents.

i talked to a pollster the other day it was heavily skewed in obamas favor i did mention on health care question i couldnt afford insurance for my cats since one died the day before

338 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:31:06am

re: #334 nightwatch

Seeking......Killian.....vector, targeting...LOCK

/evasive action, deploying countermeasures

339 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:31:27am

re: #336 Oldasdirt

Im thinking the poles are rigged,,and you watch.It's gonna backfire on the dumb Dems.It will scare more conservitives into the voteing booth.
I hope,OMG I hope.

Nah, Those polls are not manipulated at all. That's just you being paranoid. We have no reason to doubt the Liberal Pollsters /src.

340 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:31:38am

re: #329 Killian Bundy


TARGET LOCK (granny said so)

341 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:32:07am

re: #330 littleoldlady

You kinda have to get through New Jersey first.

/lots of pine trees in the way...


Getting a little dirty pushing through Joysey wouldn't be to bad. I really like this state.

And Joysey doesn't want them, why do you think they come over in buses to vote in our elections.

342 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:32:30am

re: #331 redc1c4

i just figgered that was a given..... we're even willing to use them if necessary, if that's a plus.


Im a firm beliver in GUN CONTROL.Everyone should own one,and know how to control it.

343 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:33:22am

re: #323 galloping granny

I am serious when I tell you that I believe those polls are being rigged to an almost unbelievable degree.


Drudge reported McCain won the debate 68-30 over Bama.

MSM reported Obamma won-
Well that went over like a Chinese lead balloon.

So the MSM says it was a tie.- Wrong-

Now they say no one won.

Election day I think we are in for a big McCain surprise.

344 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:33:26am

re: #336 Oldasdirt

In Australia it's compulsory to register to vote and it's also COMPULSORY to cast a ballot. A $50 fine if you don't vote. As long as you enter a pooling booth you can write what you like on the voting paper. But vote you must. The only nation in the world i believe that enforces democracy that way! hehehe

345 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:33:32am

re: #337 JimmyTheClaw

i talked to a pollster the other day it was heavily skewed in obamas favor i did mention on health care question i couldnt afford insurance for my cats since one died the day before

Virtually anyone in medical research or pyschology can tell you how easy it is to stack the deck. We take entire classes in how to structure questionnaires so they will be fair and unbiased, which by the way is a fairly difficult task.

346 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:34:27am

re: #341 x-wing

The pine trees vote in our elections?

/I think I need more coffee...

347 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:34:52am

Polling = pooling. There typos will be the death of me! hehehe

348 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:35:09am

re: #336 Oldasdirt

Im thinking the poles are rigged,,and you watch.It's gonna backfire on the dumb Dems.It will scare more conservitives into the voteing booth.
I hope,OMG I hope.

And the Luntz focus group is really on the up and up also. Penn & Teller even think so

349 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:35:41am

re: #338 Killian Bundy


BRODO EYES SWEEP..LOCK BUNDY

350 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:35:43am

If you remember the last election. The polls had Kerry 10-12 points up into the last weeks of the election. Then they start to worry about their reputations, and get it in the right direction. These polls are designed to discourage conservatives.

351 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:35:57am

re: #335 Egfrow

The first rule to the Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy is "Don't Panic".

Don't forget your towel. And the answer is 42.

352 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:36:46am

re: #350 tommoon

If you remember the last election. The polls had Kerry 10-12 points up into the last weeks of the election. Then they start to worry about their reputations, and get it in the right direction. These polls are designed to discourage conservatives.

Exactly.

353 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:37:11am

Well, Asia sucked but, so far, Europe ain't doing too bad.

/and, not real time, but U.S. futures are up, five hours out

354 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:37:44am

And I am no prophet,
but the only election I have ever missed calling was Carter-Ford.

/but I was young and stupid.


Obamama is going down.

355 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:38:24am

re: #351 Mel Lono


In the frame of a favorite comic o mine, "I like the cut of your jib!

356 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:38:45am

re: #339 Egfrow

Nah, Those polls are not manipulated at all. That's just you being paranoid. We have no reason to doubt the Liberal Pollsters /src.


Nope,not one reason.Not one.100s maybe,but not one.

357 Athos  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:38:56am

re: #343 ibmkeyboard

Election day I think we are in for a big McCain surprise.

I was thinking the same way until yesterday. With the MSM carrying the water of the left, the economy is going to count against McCain / Palin significantly.

Frankly, I don't think that Pelosi and company really wanted the bill to pass - but they also wanted to be able to blame the failure of the passage on the House Republicans.

What is happening in the economy is right out of the left's "we have to destroy it in order to gain the power we are entitled to in order to save it" mantra.....

358 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:39:49am

re: #327 Aussie Infidel

I spend a bit of time up in Indonesia now. Mostly on business. There are Australian Ministries who still have their heads up their arses in regard to Indonesia. Recently an Indonesian business colleague of mine wanted to 'shop' a group of Islamist terrorists in training at Lombok. I tried the Australian Federal Police and other security agencies and all I got was .... are you from the press? Go away this is sensitive and we don't want to upset the Indonesians at this time. Pathetic! There was also a group of 5 Australian pedophiles operating out of Bali preying in Indonesian youngsters. They were in it hand and glove with the some local Indonesian cops and justice ministries. Again the Aussie cops refused to even accept the freely offered information. Pathetic! I'm not into conspiracy theories but sometimes one has to ask why things are the way they are!

no worries mate. you're just not PC enough to get the big picture.... at least you have your secret weapon!

359 x-wing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:40:27am

re: #346 littleoldlady

The pine trees vote in our elections?

/I think I need more coffee...


Or maybe I need to hit the hay.

/wow it's late

360 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:40:59am

re: #353 Killian Bundy

and, not real time, but U.S. futures are up, five hours out

/it's vectoring lower but it's a good starting point, not quite +780 though

361 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:41:24am

re: #337 JimmyTheClaw

i talked to a pollster the other day it was heavily skewed in obamas favor i did mention on health care question i couldnt afford insurance for my cats since one died the day before

they don't even poll here......

/we're in the zero bag

362 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:42:16am

re: #355 nightwatch

In the frame of a favorite comic o mine, "I like the cut of your jib!

so long long as the widow-maker doesnt cut me down on the foresail, i'm just fine thanks.

363 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:42:33am

re: #354 ibmkeyboard

ibm! :-)

I'm having a hard time imagining that the same American public who got off their butts to call and email their Reps about the "bailout" would then turn around and vote for Socialism.

/but that's just me I guess...

364 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:43:19am

A very interesting speech from Qadafi regarding Obama - translated by Memri

365 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:43:48am

Folks,

If we tank, we all tank together!

UP THE REBALS!

Now how do the shells fit into this bastard anyway?

366 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:43:58am

re: #360 Killian Bundy

Killian, for cripes sake! You are young. Your money will come back someday!

/why don't you feel sorry for those of us close to retirement who won't be retiring?
//not that I had any illusions heretofore, or anything...

367 conservativeChick  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:44:40am

Is it just me or is anybody else sick of Debbie Schlussel constant complaining and bitching? My G-d, I can't even go on that women site anymore without hearing screeching in the back of my head. She coming off as more elitist to me everyday of what she thinks a true conservative is. I don't think she would of vote for Ronald Reagan if he were alive today. Then again that just my opinion.

368 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:45:14am

re: #344 Aussie Infidel

In Australia it's compulsory to register to vote and it's also COMPULSORY to cast a ballot. A $50 fine if you don't vote. As long as you enter a pooling booth you can write what you like on the voting paper. But vote you must. The only nation in the world i believe that enforces democracy that way! hehehe


Hell,in Chicago,they dig em out of the ground to go vote.
They done that once in Texas to.But now on Nov the 4th,we put all the graveyards on lockdown.

369 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:45:15am

That Penn & Teller link is very appropriate for this time. The Episode is about Numbers and Polls. It's worth a view.

370 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:45:24am

re: #349 nightwatch

BRODO EYES SWEEP..LOCK BUNDY

i have a lock, going Slammer!

Fox 3! Fox 3!

/me fires AMRAMM from BVR

371 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:45:57am

re: #362 Mel Lono

we of the faith, new to the trenches, yet ready to game..

372 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:46:23am

re: #357 Athos

I'm still confident because of a few things. We have a large number of PUMAs going for McCain- they will not vote for 0bama for any reason whatsoever. Also- when it comes to the undecideds I really don't think a big spending liberal is going to be able to carry the day when his opponent is calling for fiscal responsibility and reform from Washington. I think that's a message that will sell better because I think it's what Americans want.

Is it going to be tough? Yes.
Is the deck stacked against us? Yes.

But is this really that much worse than what they tried to do to Bush in 2004? We have to keep plugging away, and maybe we can learn a few things from our temporary allies, the PUMAs- they are not taking this shit lying down.

373 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:47:06am

re: #349 nightwatch

BRODO EYES SWEEP..LOCK BUNDY

/I suppose it all depends on what we're both flying and what friends and support we have although, I got to tell you, countermeasures/flares don't wonk and it's lever time for me, really not into high G maneuvers

374 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:47:06am

re: #367 conservativeChick

Is it just me or is anybody else sick of Debbie Schlussel constant complaining and bitching? My G-d, I can't even go on that women site anymore without hearing screeching in the back of my head. She coming off as more elitist to me everyday of what she thinks a true conservative is. I don't think she would of vote for Ronald Reagan if he were alive today. Then again that just my opinion.

then i'm glad i don't even know who she is......

are you forced there?

375 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:47:22am

re: #350 tommoon

If you remember the last election. The polls had Kerry 10-12 points up into the last weeks of the election. Then they start to worry about their reputations, and get it in the right direction. These polls are designed to discourage conservatives.

I hear this often, but, in fact, as this graph shows, Kerry and Bush were less than two points apart in early October, with Bush leading. That's pretty much how the election turned out. Note that the graph shows the average of polling results at that time.

376 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:48:55am

re: #357 Athos

I was thinking the same way until yesterday. With the MSM carrying the water of the left, the economy is going to count against McCain / Palin significantly.

Frankly, I don't think that Pelosi and company really wanted the bill to pass - but they also wanted to be able to blame the failure of the passage on the House Republicans.

What is happening in the economy is right out of the left's "we have to destroy it in order to gain the power we are entitled to in order to save it" mantra.....

It is over a month until the election. There is yet another October surprise in the immediate offing - one far more important to the United States than this market "meltdown.: The Russian nuclear navy is currently steaming into OUR hemisphere to hold "exercises" with Venezuela - who they have also just signed on to build a "nuclear power plant" for. The last time the Russian Navy came calling we had the Cuban Missile Crisis. And it overturns nearly 200 years of American foreign policy. Moreover, we cannot allow Venezuela - who just before this "crisis" had ordered the US Ambassador to leave (that is pretty close to a declaration of war) to become another Iran, this time on our doorstep.

Obama does not have a prayer in hell of handling that.

377 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:48:56am

re: #373 Killian Bundy

/I suppose it all depends on what we're both flying and what friends and support we have although, I got to tell you, countermeasures/flares don't wonk and it's lever time for me, really not into high G maneuvers

warthorg or die there, good buddy...... Circle the hawgs!

BNOE and you're golden %-)

378 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:49:03am

re: #363 littleoldlady

ibm! :-)

I'm having a hard time imagining that the same American public who got off their butts to call and email their Reps about the "bailout" would then turn around and vote for Socialism.

/but that's just me I guess...

Nancy Petroski cost millions of working folks their 401ks- savings with her stupid little speech.
She has even shut down her web site- I tried to write and call her a bitch.

/and she is a democrat.

Obamams ass is going down.

intelligent people/voters are pissed

379 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:50:01am

re: #363 littleoldlady

ibm! :-)

I'm having a hard time imagining that the same American public who got off their butts to call and email their Reps about the "bailout" would then turn around and vote for Socialism.

/but that's just me I guess...

Good point.

They had best all stay on their reps too.

380 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:51:20am

re: #358 redc1c4

She really is a great sheela isn't she mate!


Aussie ....Aussie... Aussie OI..oi..oi

381 conservativeChick  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:51:24am

re: #374 redc1c4

No. I use to enjoy going on her site and read her movie reviews but now she just been, well, very unpleasant lately. Its now almost unbearable to go to her site now. She just lost a loyal reader.

382 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:51:41am

re: #375 JustMyView

I hear this often, but, in fact, as this graph shows, Kerry and Bush were less than two points apart in early October, with Bush leading. That's pretty much how the election turned out. Note that the graph shows the average of polling results at that time.

I did not see the polls being quite so blatantly manipulated last time though.

383 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:52:32am

re: #370 redc1c4


FUN FUN FUN, diving below hash, quick bank @ angels 9 around the peak, down into the trees and a sub-sonic bank through the cliffs..
threat-com CLEAR! YA MISSED.......

384 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:52:45am

JustMyView

That was one poll and I doubt it was featured on the nightly news.

385 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:53:08am

re: #379 galloping granny

Cutting away everything else...personally, I worry more about my faith in the American people being shattered than an actual Obama presidency.

One I could get over. The other...I'm not so sure.

386 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:53:45am

re: #366 littleoldlady

Killian, for cripes sake! You are young. Your money will come back someday!

/yeah well, I consider it a job, besides the obvious, I get four free day trades a week without being classified as a day trader

387 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:54:57am

re: #382 galloping granny

I did not see the polls being quite so blatantly manipulated last time though.

Just curious . . . what, specifically, have you seen that makes you think the poll results are being manipulated? Seems to me they have been rising and falling in a reasonable way in relation to events. For instance, during the Republican convention and just afterward, when everyone was very high on Sarah Palin, McCain pulled ahead. When the bloom on that rose began to fade, Obama pulled ahead again.

388 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:55:44am

last call for fruitcup fixins! otherwise you get what you get...... %-)

389 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:55:46am

re: #386 Killian Bundy

I know how serious you are about this.

/just don't panic, yet. Okay? Not good for your blood pressure...

390 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:56:34am

re: #384 tommoon

JustMyView

That was one poll and I doubt it was featured on the nightly news.

No, it wasn't one poll. As I said in my previous post, the graph shows the average of multiple polls taken at the time. I don't think there's any reason to think there was any less news coverage of poll results four years ago than there is now.

391 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:56:52am

re: #373 Killian Bundy

Bundy,

Did I tell ya I'm flyin an R-222 with a winky-flash to keep LAPD from mowing me down? DUDE! L.A is a hot combat zone!

392 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:58:33am

re: #383 nightwatch

FUN FUN FUN, diving below hash, quick bank @ angels 9 around the peak, down into the trees and a sub-sonic bank through the cliffs..
threat-com CLEAR! YA MISSED.......

i was always on the ground, aiming (in theory) for the local ADA and C3I vehicles, and calling in locations, et al, for targeting purposes. call it "shaping the battle space" at the sharp end.

fun to watch the hawgs fly though. %-)

393 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:59:06am

re: #383 nightwatch

FUN FUN FUN, diving below hash, quick bank @ angels 9 around the peak, down into the trees and a sub-sonic bank through the cliffs..
threat-com CLEAR! YA MISSED.......


Hey,i do this everyday in European Air War.An online flight sim.We fly with people from all over the world.But 1940 thru 45. But we do have a 262 and a V1 rocket plane.

394 Athos  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:59:39am

re: #372 Sharmuta

I hope you are right, but what we have witnessed in the past several weeks is far beyond the tactics tried against Bush in 2004. At least in 2004, the left was apparently unwilling to hit the economy to the tune of $1.1 trillion (in just one day) in order to sway an economic argument for political gain.

This is another Democrat delivered economic disaster - and they are apparently avoiding all real responsibility for the events thanks to a complicit MSM.

395 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 1:59:42am

re: #385 littleoldlady

Cutting away everything else...personally, I worry more about my faith in the American people being shattered than an actual Obama presidency.

One I could get over. The other...I'm not so sure.

If there is one thing that scares me Little, it is that I am afraid that we have let too many people whose intent is to destroy America take too much control.

It really bothers me that when I go hunting books for the kiddo, I can find almost nothing that contains the tradtional Americana that we grew up on. No Paul Bunyan, no Casey Jones - not even Rip Van Winkle. It is literally all gone from children's literature. This generation will have no common heritage of what it means to be American.

396 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!

397 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:00:13am

re: #388 redc1c4

last call for fruitcup fixins! otherwise you get what you get...... %-)

pineapple in your lap... duck and cover.

398 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:00:50am

re: #369 Egfrow

That Penn & Teller link is very appropriate for this time. The Episode is about Numbers and Polls. It's worth a view.

That was great- thanks. :)

399 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:01:20am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Morning Maam

400 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:01:47am

re: #80 OtisMyMan

Where can I find a Barney Frank pinata?

You some kind of a masochist? Who would want to be caught in the shower of s*** when it finally breaks open?

401 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:01:58am

littleoldlady

Don't worry. We know how to survive, the left doesn't. Obama's policies will hurt them more than us.

402 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:01:58am

re: #376 galloping granny

It is over a month until the election. There is yet another October surprise in the immediate offing - one far more important to the United States than this market "meltdown.: The Russian nuclear navy is currently steaming into OUR hemisphere to hold "exercises" with Venezuela - who they have also just signed on to build a "nuclear power plant" for. The last time the Russian Navy came calling we had the Cuban Missile Crisis. And it overturns nearly 200 years of American foreign policy. Moreover, we cannot allow Venezuela - who just before this "crisis" had ordered the US Ambassador to leave (that is pretty close to a declaration of war) to become another Iran, this time on our doorstep.

Obama does not have a prayer in hell of handling that.

a four ship, no carrier, no replenishment group visit is a threat to whom? weekend boaters maybe, but the russians don't have a navy. it takes more than large boats painted gray to have one of those. if they were to suddenly get froggy, there would suddenly be 4 new reefs in the Caribbean.

403 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:02:12am

re: #384 tommoon

JustMyView

That was one poll and I doubt it was featured on the nightly news.

Here are the individual polls that average is based on. As you can see, of all the polls taken in October 2004, most showed Bush and Kerry only a few points apart, w/ Bush almost always leading.

I'm not saying, of course, that things couldn't turn around for McCain. They certainly could. But it doesn't make any sense to dismiss the results of the current public opinion surveys, especially not on the basis of inaccurate claims about what was going on in 2004.

404 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:02:33am

re: #388 redc1c4

last call for fruitcup fixins! otherwise you get what you get...... %-)


fruitcup,
with extra cherry's- I always get cans with cherry's all over the front cover and one cherry chopped up inside.

and can I have a cup with handles - still staggering.

405 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:02:42am

re: #397 Mel Lono

pineapple in your lap... duck and cover.

willie pete in your fox hole.......

/spicy and warm! %-)

406 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:04:46am

re: #400 Alberta Oil Peon

You some kind of a masochist? Who would want to be caught in the shower of s*** when it finally breaks open?

i don't care what anybody thinks: that there is funny..... %-)

407 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:05:29am

re: #392 redc1c4


I love HAWGS, sorry they got the bad rap in OIF-1
They are ONE BAD Battle-Ground Shaper! Low-Slow and Devastating!

408 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:06:03am

re: #402 redc1c4

a four ship, no carrier, no replenishment group visit is a threat to whom? weekend boaters maybe, but the russians don't have a navy. it takes more than large boats painted gray to have one of those. if they were to suddenly get froggy, there would suddenly be 4 new reefs in the Caribbean.

The Monroe Doctrine is old hat. This Ruskie ruse is a feint. No support, nearly retired ships. Look elsewhere. Any guesses?

409 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:06:05am

re: #404 ibmkeyboard

fruitcup,
with extra cherry's- I always get cans with cherry's all over the front cover and one cherry chopped up inside.

and can I have a cup with handles - still staggering.

draws canteen cup from supply, adds cherries from the everclear bottle until 2/3rds full, adds regular fruitcup and stirs.

anything else?

410 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:07:13am

re: #407 nightwatch

I love HAWGS, sorry they got the bad rap in OIF-1
They are ONE BAD Battle-Ground Shaper! Low-Slow and Devastating!

bad rap? they ran the table. hell, they had more shoot downs than the F16's......

411 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:07:20am

re: #396 littleoldlady


Is there any fruit-cup with a touch of MERLOT?

412 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:07:25am

re: #395 galloping granny

No question we have a "cultural problem".

413 Athos  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:07:25am

re: #376 galloping granny

No he doesn't - but how many people really understand the threat? The MSM isn't reporting it. Only those of us who are aware and cognizant of the issues and events are aware of it. How much of a political price did Kerry and other pays toadying up to Ortega in the 1980's and his failed socialistic state? How many people really believe the crap that Moore and others spread about Fidel / Raul's Cuba or know what a thug Hugo is?

These are the same deluded pinheads who think that if the US was 'better liked' in the world - fewer nations would be trying to knock us a down a peg or two.

Perhaps I am just feeling the effects of a stressful week - but what I see happening raises my concerns.

414 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:07:50am

re: #408 Mel Lono

The Monroe Doctrine is old hat. This Ruskie ruse is a feint. No support, nearly retired ships. Look elsewhere. Any guesses?

what's near Georgia?

415 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:07:54am

re: #403 JustMyView

The polls are biased. So's the msm. Americans are noticing these things.

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

That's from last year- it's only gotten worse. We know they're lying to us, and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they wouldn't hesitate to bias their polls like they bias their news.

416 Oldasdirt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:08:37am

Lizzards Guys and gals.Sleep becons this old man.So to all I say G-night.

417 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:09:18am

re: #405 redc1c4

willie pete in your fox hole.......

/spicy and warm! %-)

Had to look that up. Post-nam. I got blisters on my fingers! You got me.

418 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:09:33am

JustMyView

So, I still go back to my first impression. Polls suck and can be manipulated.

419 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:10:20am

re: #394 Athos

We can by-pass the msm, and I think we are. Their numbers are down. We don't have to take this lying down, damnit.

Over a million people in the last week have seen one of the three versions of this video. We don't have to take it anymore, and we're not.

Damnit. John McCain asked us to fight for this country, and I'm going to do just that, damnit!

420 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:10:37am

re: #399 Mel Lono

Mel! :-)

re: #401 tommoon

tommoon! :-)

Well yesterday I figured out how to game the system just in case Obama wins...

/higher IQ than Joe Biden ;-)

On every form, application etc that I fill out from now on I'll check the box that says "African American".

re: #411 nightwatch

nightwatch! :-)

Sangria all around!

421 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:10:46am

Senator Man Child will lose.

422 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:11:21am

re: #410 redc1c4


bad press on the friendly fire, just saying not judging.

#1 is on tour # 4, tell me lies and I'll kill you.....nuf said!

423 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:13:17am

re: #402 redc1c4

a four ship, no carrier, no replenishment group visit is a threat to whom? weekend boaters maybe, but the russians don't have a navy. it takes more than large boats painted gray to have one of those. if they were to suddenly get froggy, there would suddenly be 4 new reefs in the Caribbean.

Let's see how the Russian Navy handles the Somali pirates that seized one of their small arms shipments first.

424 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:13:44am

re: #412 littleoldlady

No question we have a "cultural problem".

we've got a "Southern" great nephew. Mom's the daughter of people HRH grew up with and that Dad served with..... not blood, but kin, if you get my drift.

they live in west LA, heart of the beast. we went to the BD party, and it was everything you could imagine. we gave red neck toys: interactive farm, crawl, walk ride bulldozer, etc...... they stood out.

i have come into a collection of old school books from the 60's schools and we're giving them all to his mom, who thinks it's wonderful that she'l;l have more to read to him.

/sabotage. %-)

425 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:13:48am

re: #387 JustMyView

Just curious . . . what, specifically, have you seen that makes you think the poll results are being manipulated? Seems to me they have been rising and falling in a reasonable way in relation to events. For instance, during the Republican convention and just afterward, when everyone was very high on Sarah Palin, McCain pulled ahead. When the bloom on that rose began to fade, Obama pulled ahead again.

Nope. If you had really been tracking those polls you would have seen that even before Sarah Palin - for several weeks as a matter of fact - Obama and McCain were in a virtual statistical tie, even though Obama spent more on a single ad campaign in July than McCain spent on his entire campaign. Even with Obama's convention he could not get out of the statistical tie by so much as two points. And Palin jerked it right away from him.

Now, when does this statistical tie break? First the MSM spends two solid weeks shredding Palin in a way I have never seen them go after anyone. Talk about sharks and a feeding frenzy. And then they start talking about the Bradley effect, people aren't going to vote O because he is black. Hot on the heels of that Obama jumps in the polls, right after a bigwig pollster states on Fox that Obama is being spotted 6 or 8 because he is black. And Obama is now up in the polls. By quite a little bit. And McCain has "lost ground" - by quite a little bit.

Except for a few things you cannot ignore.

1. During this same period that McCain has been "losing ground" there have been at least four major Democrats that have come out in support of John McCain.

2. When I traveled all across western Vermont and New Hampshire in the last few weeks I noticed that there were few Obama signs and almost no bumper stickers. Even near Dartmouth. I was there three days ago. More importantly, during the last three weeks two very large - almost billboard size - signs that were in front yards along the route to Claremont, New Hampshire, came down entirely. One was replaced with a sign for John McCain. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago when we were down on the coast we passed one home sporting a small Obama sign at the end of the drive with a Women for McCain sign directly next to it.

3. Yesterday I saw a clip of Obama making a speech in wherever he was and another of Sarah Palin. There were so few in attendance at Obama's gig that a full third of the seats behind him were empty. (And if you pay attention you will see his crowds have been getting thinner for a while now.) My crew here could outdo that crowd's "cheers" without any problem at all. Palin was still on fire. She drew 60,000 people to one rally last week. Without a band fronting for her. That is as many as Obama's Oregon free concert pulled in.

The pollsters are lying and deliberately stacking the deck.

426 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:13:55am

re: #389 littleoldlady

I know how serious you are about this.

/just don't panic, yet. Okay? Not good for your blood pressure...

Where did you get the idea I was panicking?

I took my lumps yesterday with the minority of assets I still don't have in cash, except for PRGO, which I bought a good bit of yesterday and it went up in value. Not a day trade.

/top dog in a good industry group, recently busted out of a righteous base, not insured, your mileage may vary

427 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:14:07am

re: #415 Sharmuta

The polls are biased. So's the msm. Americans are noticing these things.

[Link: www.zogby.com...]

That's from last year- it's only gotten worse. We know they're lying to us, and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they wouldn't hesitate to bias their polls like they bias their news.

That article isn't about polls, specifically, which is a much narrower topic than what appears in the media. Further, it doesn't say "the media" are biased. It says people believe they are. That's not the same thing. Further, some people say they have a liberal bias; others say they have a conservative bias. Both views can't be right.

Again, recent polls have moved very closely with events. Were they biased in early to mid-September when McCain was ahead?

428 Mel Lono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:14:39am

re: #422 nightwatch

God Bless him and yours, Navy.

429 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:14:56am

re: #418 tommoon

JustMyView

So, I still go back to my first impression. Polls suck and can be manipulated.

So, what you're saying is that you'd prefer to hang onto your erroneous view than to deal with reality?

430 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:15:22am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

I'm sorry. I thought I heard screams coming from your house.

;-)

431 Athos  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:15:41am

re: #419 Sharmuta

As I said to Granny, perhaps this is just an effect of a very stressful week - and no, I'm not going to rollover and accept this without a fight either.

432 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:15:50am

re: #390 JustMyView

No, it wasn't one poll. As I said in my previous post, the graph shows the average of multiple polls taken at the time. I don't think there's any reason to think there was any less news coverage of poll results four years ago than there is now.

What kind of average, JustMyView? Mean, mode, median? "Average" means all of those things and each can show very different results. An "average" really does not give you a true picture of what was going on.

433 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:16:51am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

Where did you get the idea I was panicking?

I took my lumps yesterday with the minority of assets I still don't have in cash, except for PRGO, which I bought a good bit of yesterday and it went up in value. Not a day trade.

/top dog in a good industry group, recently busted out of a righteous base, not insured, your mileage may vary

Claiming a 3000 point loss in the stock market is panicking Killian. Why do you think I have been telling you you are hysterical?

434 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:17:08am

re: #427 JustMyView

Media polls lie- the media lies. You shill their lies. You do their dirty deeds dirt cheap- free even. You want to be lied to. It won't help you- you will not get to join their elitist circle when they win- you are a useful idiot for them.

Congratulations, and welcome to GAZE, 0bamabot.

435 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:17:10am

JustMyView

Yeah, I don't care what others think, I do what I think is right.

436 Athos  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:19:12am

re: #387 JustMyView

Just curious . . . what, specifically, have you seen that makes you think the poll results are being manipulated? Seems to me they have been rising and falling in a reasonable way in relation to events.

Fewer and fewer of these polls are providing the statistical background and methodology for the polls. When they do, they frequently oversample the Democrats either in raw numbers or in racial elements which will skew the results towards the Democrat. That is just one of the tactics that can be used to skew a poll to say pretty much whatever the pollster wants them to say.

437 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:20:53am

re: #431 Athos

Remember- that's how they want you to feel.

438 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:21:08am

re: #436 Athos

Fewer and fewer of these polls are providing the statistical background and methodology for the polls. When they do, they frequently oversample the Democrats either in raw numbers or in racial elements which will skew the results towards the Democrat. That is just one of the tactics that can be used to skew a poll to say pretty much whatever the pollster wants them to say.

And if they are not providing the methodology then you can bet your last dime that the "poll" is bunk and hokum pulled out of thin air - or somebody's ass.

439 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:21:46am

re: #393 Oldasdirt

a V1 rocket plane.

What is that, the theoretical follow on to the ME 163 Komet?

Which occur rs most?

/shooting down the opponent, getting shot down, or crashing?

440 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:22:17am

re: #411 nightwatch

Is there any fruit-cup with a touch of MERLOT?

there is now.... but i think you'll find that a touch of late harvest zin would do much better.

441 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:23:49am

And one more thing to remember. This "crisis" did NOT come out of nowhere. Some of you were here the morning a couple of months back when a Lizard clearly stated that there was a bank failure in the offing, that it would be at least one of the four largest banks in the country and that it would happen about October first.

I remember that well, because after I heard it I literally went around the family telling people they should double check their accounts and make sure they had some cash on hand.

442 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:23:53am

re: #418 tommoon

JustMyView

So, I still go back to my first impression. Polls suck and can be manipulated.

yhou left out the part where "JMV" is a trolling asshole, but that's just me....

443 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:25:39am

The Democrats are trying to make us believe that someone forgot to pay the light bill and the guy is on his way over to cut it off any minute. This is further from the truth. This is one of the biggest shams ever to be played on the American people and they are trying to pass over on us before we even know what we bought with our hard earned money. Time crunching victims is the best tool of the Con artist. Foreign markets will benefit the most from this proposed bailout.

All you have to do is watch what the Asian and Euro markets do tomorrow and it will be all you need to know. They will curse us to hell for not giving our lives to Socialism.

444 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:26:25am

re: #440 redc1c4

there is now.... but i think you'll find that a touch of late harvest zin would do much better.

ick. why don't you just dump some everclear in kool aid

445 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:26:46am

re: #424 redc1c4

Unfortunately, "one child at a time" is not going to make a difference fast enough. :-(

We should all take a page from the Palin book and join the PTA or try to get a seat on the school board. We have to catch these kids before they get to college...

446 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:26:53am

re: #421 Sharmuta

Senator Man Child will lose.

You better contact all your friends and seriously start willing them to bring about that outcome.

/because as of this second, he's President of the United States

447 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:28:02am

re: #446 Killian Bundy

You better contact all your friends and seriously start willing them to bring about that outcome.

/because as of this second, he's President of the United States

FUCK YOU KILLIAN!

448 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:28:05am

I watch, I read,

I will just try to stay out of the way of the MEGA-LIZARDS, who ,I will not attempt to name, I say my game is very weak compared to these who truly inform me, I come here to have a say, and to :}PLAY:}, But I always hope for the chance to be an influence in the thread, hopefully a + and never a below the bridge dweller.

Thanks

The MERLOT now slaps me face unto the floor........;[

449 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:28:17am

re: #441 galloping granny

I think that was 3 wood (who was right about that but wrong about how many points the Dow would go down).

Last Friday I took out some cash and filled my gas tank.

/am I paranoid? ;-)

450 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:30:23am

re: #446 Killian Bundy

You better contact all your friends and seriously start willing them to bring about that outcome.

/because as of this second, he's President of the United States

You should put your money on that bet.

451 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:30:33am

re: #434 Sharmuta

Hey Sharm, I've been thinking a bit about that obnoxious fellow we had on the other thread, he's been registered a fairly long time, but I'm getting a vibe from the way he comments, could be wrong, but he sounds like a lot of the others that came out showing their true colors on the VB threads. Like he came here originally just to check the anti-jihad stuff. He seems like a Paulian or Buchanan type, full of hatred for everything but on the Russian side on the Georgian invasion. He sure sounds like a lot of those that came out of the woodwork on the Neo-fascist threads in sympathy for those groups. I could be wrong on this but his modus operandi is sure similar.

452 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:31:26am

re: #444 spidly

ick. why don't you just dump some everclear in kool aid

because that's a different recipe. i *do* know what i'm doing....

a late harvest zin would give more to a fruit mix dish than any merlot.

453 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:31:52am

re: #452 redc1c4

because that's a different recipe. i *do* know what i'm doing....

a late harvest zin would give more to a fruit mix dish than any merlot.

even a late harvest merlot. %-)

454 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:32:53am

re: #425 galloping granny

Nope. If you had really been tracking those polls you would have seen that even before Sarah Palin - for several weeks as a matter of fact - Obama and McCain were in a virtual statistical tie, even though Obama spent more on a single ad campaign in July than McCain spent on his entire campaign. Even with Obama's convention he could not get out of the statistical tie by so much as two points. And Palin jerked it right away from him.

The Republican convention followed the Dem convention immediately. The Palin announcement came just the day after it ended. There was no time for a post-convention Obama bounce before the Repub bounce began.

Now, when does this statistical tie break? First the MSM spends two solid weeks shredding Palin in a way I have never seen them go after anyone. Talk about sharks and a feeding frenzy. And then they start talking about the Bradley effect, people aren't going to vote O because he is black. Hot on the heels of that Obama jumps in the polls, right after a bigwig pollster states on Fox that Obama is being spotted 6 or 8 because he is black. And Obama is now up in the polls. By quite a little bit. And McCain has "lost ground" - by quite a little bit.

Being spotted? Are you suggesting that pollsters are actually publishing fake results? That's quite a claim based on a vague reference to an unnamed "bigwig pollster".

Except for a few things you cannot ignore.

1. During this same period that McCain has been "losing ground" there have been at least four major Democrats that have come out in support of John McCain.

Well, that's four votes. Who are they, by the way?

2. When I traveled all across western Vermont and New Hampshire in the last few weeks I noticed that there were few Obama signs and almost no bumper stickers. Even near Dartmouth. I was there three days ago. More importantly, during the last three weeks two very large - almost billboard size - signs that were in front yards along the route to Claremont, New Hampshire, came down entirely. One was replaced with a sign for John McCain. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago when we were down on the coast we passed one home sporting a small Obama sign at the end of the drive with a Women for McCain sign directly next to it.

Again, wow. A few signs. This is not exactly systematic data collection. If you do not think Vermont is going to go for Obama, you are not cooking w/ gas. NH is currently categorized as either a toss-up state or leaning Obama
.

3. Yesterday I saw a clip of Obama making a speech in wherever he was and another of Sarah Palin. There were so few in attendance at Obama's gig that a full third of the seats behind him were empty. (And if you pay attention you will see his crowds have been getting thinner for a while now.) My crew here could outdo that crowd's "cheers" without any problem at all. Palin was still on fire. She drew 60,000 people to one rally last week. Without a band fronting for her. That is as many as Obama's Oregon free concert pulled in.

No, it isn't. There were 75K at that Oregon rally. Obama spoke to 26,000 people in NC on Saturday and 18,000 people in VA (in the rain!). I believe there were 30,000 in Detroit on Sunday.

I agree that Palin draws big crowds, but there is no evidence that enthusiasm for Obama is diminishing.

455 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:33:36am

By the way, there are no Obama signs in Amherst, Massachusetts, home of the Five Colleges (UMass, Amherst, Smith, Mt. Holyoke, Hampshire) otherwise known as the loon central of Western Massachusetts, either. None. No bumper stickers. Nothing. Nada.

456 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:34:32am

re: #450 Egfrow


WHAT YA SAYING SON o THE EAST?

WHAT YA SAYIN?


CHARLES, TAZERS you be bringing or block me!

457 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:34:33am

re: #451 JHW

I don't think you're wrong.

458 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:34:40am

re: #445 littleoldlady

Unfortunately, "one child at a time" is not going to make a difference fast enough. :-(

We should all take a page from the Palin book and join the PTA or try to get a seat on the school board. We have to catch these kids before they get to college...

because we home schooled our kids, so we have no say?

kinda hard to get the PTA to pay attention that way.

459 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:35:09am

re: #449 littleoldlady

I think that was 3 wood (who was right about that but wrong about how many points the Dow would go down).

Last Friday I took out some cash and filled my gas tank.

/am I paranoid? ;-)

I think it was 3 Wood too. Nope, I don't think you're paranoid at all. Last Thursday and Friday I went out and laid in enough groceries to last several months if need be.

460 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:35:54am

re: #454 JustMyView

i call bullshit, for about the 1000th time.....

/give or take a few zeros, like JMV.

461 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:36:07am

re: #458 redc1c4

because we home schooled our kids, so we have no say?

kinda hard to get the PTA to pay attention that way.

I would rather homeschool than sacrifice a child to the "common good" while I tried to straighten out the lunacy of the local schools via the PTA.

462 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:36:52am

JHW

I see you were with the 9th, ever get up north. We had some 9th with the 1st cav.

463 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:37:21am

re: #432 galloping granny

What kind of average, JustMyView? Mean, mode, median? "Average" means all of those things and each can show very different results. An "average" really does not give you a true picture of what was going on.

No, average does not mean all those things. You need to look back at your introductory statistics text. Average means the sum of all scores divided by the number of scores, and it's a perfectly appropriate way to assess the difference between preferences for the two differences as revealed in different polls.

Median = A point that divides a distribution into two. For instance, if median income is 35K, half of the people have incomes higher than 35K and half below.

Mode = The most frequently occurring score in a distribution. For instance, if there are 10 people, six of whom have an income of 35K, the modal income is 35K.

464 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:37:44am

re: #454 JustMyView

No, it isn't. There were 75K at that Oregon rally. Obama spoke to 26,000 people in NC on Saturday and 18,000 people in VA (in the rain!). I believe there were 30,000 in Detroit on Sunday.

I agree that Palin draws big crowds, but there is no evidence that enthusiasm for Obama is diminishing.

Except the evidence of your own two eyes.

New Hampshire is going to John McCain. And Vermont may very well too.

465 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:37:48am

re: #458 redc1c4

In my neighborhood we have folks on the school board who send their kids to private schools.

/go figure

466 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:38:14am

re: #463 JustMyView

No, average does not mean all those things. You need to look back at your introductory statistics text. Average means the sum of all scores divided by the number of scores, and it's a perfectly appropriate way to assess the difference between preferences for the two differences as revealed in different polls.

Median = A point that divides a distribution into two. For instance, if median income is 35K, half of the people have incomes higher than 35K and half below.

Mode = The most frequently occurring score in a distribution. For instance, if there are 10 people, six of whom have an income of 35K, the modal income is 35K.

HAHAHAHAHA!

467 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:38:22am

re: #461 galloping granny

I would rather homeschool than sacrifice a child to the "common good" while I tried to straighten out the lunacy of the local schools via the PTA.

ture dat, but you have to remember that my children are adopted:
one boy is Persian and the one is Siamese.

the upside is that they will never be anymore trouble then they are now. %-)

468 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:38:24am

re: #454 JustMyView

65% of people polled on LGF believe you are a Douche. 45% of that subgroup believes you you are vineger classic sent. 2% are uncented, and 52% just think you are full of tap water and soap. There is a +/- margin of error of 0.3%

469 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:38:34am

re: #447 galloping granny

FUCK YOU KILLIAN!

Denying reality and wishing McCain into the Presidency isn't going to cut it.

I sincerely hope McCain wins, but he can't be AWOL or lallygag through his own campaign.

/there's 35 days to go, he has to reverse the trend, Lord Obama and his fanatics aren't going to let up

470 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:39:44am

re: #465 littleoldlady

In my neighborhood we have folks on the school board who send their kids to private schools.

/go figure

LAUSD doesn't listen to anybody.....

budget in the Billions, and they don;t have enough money. %-P

471 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:41:01am

re: #465 littleoldlady

In my neighborhood we have folks on the school board who send their kids to private schools.

/go figure

you left out the "/sarc"......

or did you?

/

472 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:41:30am

re: #469 Killian Bundy

Denying reality and wishing McCain into the Presidency isn't going to cut it.

I sincerely hope McCain wins, but he can't be AWOL or lallygag through his own campaign.

/there's 35 days to go, he has to reverse the trend, Lord Obama and his fanatics aren't going to let up

I feel where you are coming from Killian, but things are not always what they appear. Standing inside of a voting booth does something special to people when those names are staring them in the face.

473 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:41:43am

re: #462 tommoon

No Tom , I never got very far north, we were in the Delta, but we had one battalion of the 39th Infantry that went in the Central Highlands for a bit. i think it was the same battalion Col. Hackworth took over later. Our Cav squadron, 3/5th Cav, was sent up north on the DMZ with the Marines (tanks not much use in the swamps in the Delta)...and that might have been the unit you're referencing, they might have operated a bit with the ist Cav.

474 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:42:00am

re: #436 Athos

Fewer and fewer of these polls are providing the statistical background and methodology for the polls. When they do, they frequently oversample the Democrats either in raw numbers or in racial elements which will skew the results towards the Democrat. That is just one of the tactics that can be used to skew a poll to say pretty much whatever the pollster wants them to say.

Well, all surveys indicate that there are more Democrats than Republicans in the population, so, to have a sample that reflects the population, pollsters generally include more Democrats than Republicans.

The fact that there are more Democrats than Republicans is not fiction. The voter registration data are available by party in most states. The Dems have been very successful in registering new voters this year, both during the primaries and for the general election.

475 nightwatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:42:31am

re: #453 redc1c4

Merlot is the wine of KINGS!....not that i.m a king per say, but DUDE I can strike a plate of iron @ 500 yrds with a bullet and swoon the fair damsile (even though married) so THERE! Pay me homage for I am.....at least average!

476 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:42:47am

re: #474 JustMyView

Well, all surveys indicate that there are more Democrats than Republicans in the population, so, to have a sample that reflects the population, pollsters generally include more Democrats than Republicans.

The fact that there are more Democrats than Republicans is not fiction. The voter registration data are available by party in most states. The Dems have been very successful in registering new voters this year, both during the primaries and for the general election.

Two out of three Democrats, steal stereos for Crack Cocaine.

477 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:43:18am

re: #467 redc1c4

I didn't know you had children, red!

/perversely, I find that strangely comforting...

LOL!

478 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:43:28am

re: #450 Egfrow

You should put your money on that bet.

Bush is President, it's not a valid bet.

/I guess what I'm trying to say is that, nationwide, the Lord Obama organization is steadily overcoming the McCain campaign, LIGHT THE AFTERBURNERS!

479 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:44:05am

re: #468 Egfrow

65% of people polled on LGF believe you are a Douche. 45% of that subgroup believes you you are vineger classic sent. 2% are uncented, and 52% just think you are full of tap water and soap. There is a +/- margin of error of 0.3%

LMAO!

480 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:44:51am

Some of the Democrats in my neighborhood became Democrats in order to vote for Hillary.

/gah, folks! It's not even October yet!
//I love surprises, don't you?

481 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:45:11am

re: #463 JustMyView

No, average does not mean all those things. You need to look back at your introductory statistics text. Average means the sum of all scores divided by the number of scores, and it's a perfectly appropriate way to assess the difference between preferences for the two differences as revealed in different polls.

Median = A point that divides a distribution into two. For instance, if median income is 35K, half of the people have incomes higher than 35K and half below.

Mode = The most frequently occurring score in a distribution. For instance, if there are 10 people, six of whom have an income of 35K, the modal income is 35K.



BTW, I teach statistics now and then.

482 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:45:20am

re: #476 Grow

Two out of three Democrats, steal stereos for Crack Cocaine.

/and I think it's point is that they're winning the culture war

483 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:45:49am

re: #478 Killian Bundy

Bush is President, it's not a valid bet.

/I guess what I'm trying to say is that, nationwide, the Lord Obama organization is steadily overcoming the McCain campaign, LIGHT THE AFTERBURNERS!

If you fall for this attempt at demoralization that the Media is trying to scam you with then your conservative values should be put to question. The entire planet of full of cynics. America goes around that shit.

484 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:46:05am

JHW

3/5 th was with us at a place called Wunder Beach. I got there in March 1968. They would ring our primeter with APC and tanks. Secured the area and a place called "Street Without Joy". I did some writing on my time there.

485 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:46:11am

re: #480 littleoldlady

Some of the Democrats in my neighborhood became Democrats in order to vote for Hillary.

/gah, folks! It's not even October yet!
//I love surprises, don't you?

And there are more than a few of them who registered as Democrats 30 years ago and have simply never bothered to change parties or become independents.

486 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:47:35am

re: #484 tommoon

Thanks, I'd forgotten the name of the place but you're exactly right, that was where they were sent.

487 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:47:58am

re: #485 galloping granny

And there are more than a few of them who registered as Democrats 30 years ago and have simply never bothered to change parties or become independents.

Raises hand! ;-)

488 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:49:01am

re: #475 nightwatch

Merlot is the wine of KINGS!....not that i.m a king per say, but DUDE I can strike a plate of iron @ 500 yrds with a bullet and swoon the fair damsile (even though married) so THERE! Pay me homage for I am.....at least average!

then Zin is the wine of free men, because it is so expressive........
try some Zin Alley while you still can. or better yet, join the wine club while there are still openings.

489 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:49:16am

I guarantee that after Friday. The Democrats and the Messiah are going to suffer from a huge ass case of Buyer's remorse. I'll put money on it.

490 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:49:53am

re: #477 littleoldlady

I didn't know you had children, red!

/perversely, I find that strangely comforting...

LOL!

count the legs...... %-)

/so much for comfort, eh?

491 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:50:36am

re: #487 littleoldlady

Raises hand! ;-)

The only reason I ever switched my party registration was because I moved and had to reregister.

492 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:50:50am

JHW

Many years ago. Welcome home brother.

493 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:51:45am

re: #492 tommoon

Yah, it's ancient history, like Julius Caesar. Thanks.

494 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:00am

re: #482 Killian Bundy

/and I think it's point is that they're winning the culture war

The Douche may not realize that allot smarter people than himself have already been thinking about that very issue for quite a while. They are in decline and this is their last real chance at a power grab and they know it.

495 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:04am

re: #477 littleoldlady

I didn't know you had children, red!

/perversely, I find that strangely comforting...

LOL!

you need to either read closer or avoid fruitcup......

%-)

496 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:34am

re: #455 galloping granny

By the way, there are no Obama signs in Amherst, Massachusetts, home of the Five Colleges (UMass, Amherst, Smith, Mt. Holyoke, Hampshire) otherwise known as the loon central of Western Massachusetts, either. None. No bumper stickers. Nothing. Nada.

granny, if you scroll down on the right, you'll see that Obama is leading McCain by 18 points in Massachusetts. When was the last time Mass went for a Republican in a presidential election?

Saying that there are no signs or stickers in the Five College area is a pretty strong claim. Do you have a driver so that you can do this data collection w/o risking a car accident? (Both campaigns, by the way, have reported that they are having a hard time keeping up w/ the demand for yard signs in various parts of the country.)

497 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:35am

re: #461 galloping granny

I would rather homeschool than sacrifice a child to the "common good" while I tried to straighten out the lunacy of the local schools via the PTA.

Amen, granny...

498 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:38am

re: #495 redc1c4

Probably just need more coffee.

/w00f!

499 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:56am

re: #498 littleoldlady

or should that be MEOW?

500 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:52:59am

re: #490 redc1c4

count the legs...... %-)

/so much for comfort, eh?

So, how many four-legged children have you got? Man's best friends or the kind that deign to allow you to serve them?

/You don't shop in the pet children's aisle at Walmart, do you? The one with the sweaters and coats and booties and special disposable diapers and strollers for the DOG. . . . .

501 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:53:41am

re: #484 tommoon

JHW

3/5 th was with us at a place called Wunder Beach. I got there in March 1968. They would ring our primeter with APC and tanks. Secured the area and a place called "Street Without Joy". I did some writing on my time there.

are those writings available anywhere?

502 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:53:44am

Good morning all ... grrrr almost 3am and I can't get back to sleep ... so here we go.

Lizard meet/party - Lizards and mates.

Sunday the 26th of Oct. 11 am - 3 pm

Walnut Creek, CA 94595

25 miles East of San Francisco.

Locals and Nomads welcome.

BYOB and a pot luck if you wish.

Bring what ever food you wish to cook.

World class kitchen available. BBQ grills. Picnic area.

BBQ briquettes provided.

Heated swimming pool. Bring your suits. Changing rooms etc. available.

We have the ground floor of a 1930s Mansion/museum and outdoor patio reserved.

If it rains we have indoors - if not we have both.

My Halloween treat and thanks to LGF - so no cost to you.

Email for directions and location - secure, private, gated/guarded community.

Plenty of parking ... 100+.

For those that are paranoid & suspicious this is a leftist setup - 6 of us have already met once in SF.

RawMuse hosted that one.

We all like each other.

I volunteered to host the next meet.

This is it.

503 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:54:11am

WTF? There's more willingness to fight at PUMA blogs. That's fucking embarrassing. Not a single vote has been counted, not a single electoral tally on the board... yet there are LGFers willing to concede this election to 0bama in fucking September. Get a fucking grip. Quit fucking whining and fucking volunteer if you love this country or STFU, STFD and stop getting in our way and wasting our time as we try to stop this 0bamination from winning. If you're not going to be part of the solution then quit making yourself part of the fucking problem!

Excuse the extreme profanity- I'm really sick of this shit. Rant off.

504 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:54:31am

re: #496 JustMyView

granny, if you scroll down on the right, you'll see that Obama is leading McCain by 18 points in Massachusetts. When was the last time Mass went for a Republican in a presidential election?

Saying that there are no signs or stickers in the Five College area is a pretty strong claim. Do you have a driver so that you can do this data collection w/o risking a car accident? (Both campaigns, by the way, have reported that they are having a hard time keeping up w/ the demand for yard signs in various parts of the country.)

One of my daughters goes attends uni at one of the Five Colleges. She commutes. I have to drive her once a week. I grew up in the area. When I tell you there are no signs where there should be, there are NO signs.

505 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:55:38am

re: #481 galloping granny


BTW, I teach statistics now and then.

In that case, I feel sorry for your students because average (or mean), median, and mode are not "different kinds of averages". They are different measures of central tendency, as I described above.

506 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:55:55am

re: #503 Sharmuta

Amen!

507 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:56:12am

re: #503 Sharmuta

WTF? There's more willingness to fight at PUMA blogs. That's fucking embarrassing. Not a single vote has been counted, not a single electoral tally on the board... yet there are LGFers willing to concede this election to 0bama in fucking September. Get a fucking grip. Quit fucking whining and fucking volunteer if you love this country or STFU, STFD and stop getting in our way and wasting our time as we try to stop this 0bamination from winning. If you're not going to be part of the solution then quit making yourself part of the fucking problem!

Excuse the extreme profanity- I'm really sick of this shit. Rant off.

Amen! As far as I'm concerned those who are so damned ready to concede should just move over to Kos or something and get the hell out of the way.

508 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:56:20am

re: #503 Sharmuta

WTF? There's more willingness to fight at PUMA blogs. That's fucking embarrassing. Not a single vote has been counted, not a single electoral tally on the board... yet there are LGFers willing to concede this election to 0bama in fucking September. Get a fucking grip. Quit fucking whining and fucking volunteer if you love this country or STFU, STFD and stop getting in our way and wasting our time as we try to stop this 0bamination from winning. If you're not going to be part of the solution then quit making yourself part of the fucking problem!

Excuse the extreme profanity- I'm really sick of this shit. Rant off.

Amen, Shar...and good morning...

509 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:56:42am

re: #500 galloping granny

So, how many four-legged children have you got? Man's best friends or the kind that deign to allow you to serve them?

/You don't shop in the pet children's aisle at Walmart, do you? The one with the sweaters and coats and booties and special disposable diapers and strollers for the DOG. . . . .

1. there are no Walmarts near where i live. they can't afford the area.

2. our house and land is run for the convenience of the residents. 2H6 and i simply keep them comfortable.

( i *did* say "Persian" & "Siamese" didn't i? %-)

510 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:58:47am

re: #502 Bobibutu


Saturday might have been doable, from LA, and just around the corner from Moraga too.... i could have dropped off some road kill to my alma mater that i didn't graduate from.

didn't you say you were covering travel?

511 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 2:59:57am

re: #483 Egfrow

If you fall for this attempt at demoralization that the Media is trying to scam you with then your conservative values should be put to question. The entire planet of full of cynics. America goes around that shit.

Cynics? With 35 days to go, McCain is behind in national polls, beyond the margin of error, and he's giving up huge tracts of territory in the battleground states.

Sit here, in this pan of water, let me gradually turn the heat up for the next 35 days.

/status quo says you're nationally outnumbered and you lose, don't take it for granted

512 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:00:12am

re: #503 Sharmuta

WTF? There's more willingness to fight at PUMA blogs. That's fucking embarrassing. Not a single vote has been counted, not a single electoral tally on the board... yet there are LGFers willing to concede this election to 0bama in fucking September. Get a fucking grip. Quit fucking whining and fucking volunteer if you love this country or STFU, STFD and stop getting in our way and wasting our time as we try to stop this 0bamination from winning. If you're not going to be part of the solution then quit making yourself part of the fucking problem!

Excuse the extreme profanity- I'm really sick of this shit. Rant off.

what fucking profanity? i didn't see shit.......

513 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:01:15am

redc1c4

Here is one. I have several others.

[Link: vovmctx.com...]

514 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:01:38am

re: #505 JustMyView

In that case, I feel sorry for your students because average (or mean), median, and mode are not "different kinds of averages". They are different measures of central tendency, as I described above.

i feel sorry for your parents, because they created and help raise your sorry ass.

in your next life, try listening.

515 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:01:46am

re: #510 redc1c4

Saturday might have been doable, from LA, and just around the corner from Moraga too.... i could have dropped off some road kill to my alma mater that i didn't graduate from.

didn't you say you were covering travel?

We took a shot at Sat but it was booked.

Shuttle service to and from Bart - no problem. Uh - LA? ;-) nice try.

516 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:02:42am

re: #492 tommoon

re: #501 redc1c4

Tom , if you're still here, and Red, there's a damn good book about the 3/5th Cav still available. Heartily recommended.
Ringed in Steel

517 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:02:51am

re: #505 JustMyView

In that case, I feel sorry for your students because average (or mean), median, and mode are not "different kinds of averages". They are different measures of central tendency, as I described above.

You are simply wrong. An "average" is simply a general term for some middle point of a data set. Mean, median and mode are all methods of calculating or describing that middle point. The term "average" by itself is utterly meaningless because it does not describe the mathematical method used in the computation.

I repeat - which average? Mean, median or mode? If you don't know or they don't tell you, then the data is sheer BS

Here's a list of statistical definitions for you-
[Link: www.animatedsoftware.com...]

518 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:02:52am

ustMyView,
it seems like you are wasting allot of energy to convince people of the folly of voting for McCain, in fact you seem to be make too much of an effort for someone who already believes that your side is going to win. Very curious? You are trying to argue with people who are not complete drones. It would be better advised to try and play your Marxist talking points on YouTube commenters.

519 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:03:56am

re: #509 redc1c4

1. there are no Walmarts near where i live. they can't afford the area.

2. our house and land is run for the convenience of the residents. 2H6 and i simply keep them comfortable.

( i *did* say "Persian" & "Siamese" didn't i? %-)

Ah yes you did. Coffee is dripping as I type.

520 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:04:09am

re: #511 Killian Bundy

Cynics? With 35 days to go, McCain is behind in national polls, beyond the margin of error, and he's giving up huge tracts of territory in the battleground states.

Sit here, in this pan of water, let me gradually turn the heat up for the next 35 days.

/status quo says you're nationally outnumbered and you lose, don't take it for granted

So why are you so eager to believe the Polls. Did you look at 2004 polls from this same time frame between Kerry and Bush? Not even close to being correct. Even still, exit polls have a better chance and they are usually wrong too.

521 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:04:41am

re: #503 Sharmuta

WTF? There's more willingness to fight at PUMA blogs. That's fucking embarrassing. Not a single vote has been counted, not a single electoral tally on the board... yet there are LGFers willing to concede this election to 0bama in fucking September. Get a fucking grip. Quit fucking whining and fucking volunteer if you love this country or STFU, STFD and stop getting in our way and wasting our time as we try to stop this 0bamination from winning. If you're not going to be part of the solution then quit making yourself part of the fucking problem!

Excuse the extreme profanity- I'm really sick of this shit. Rant off.

I'm not saying I'm Chris Matthews or anything, but I may have just felt a tingle down my leg.

522 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:07:06am

Thanks for the support, Lizards.

And red for the laugh.

523 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:07:53am

Did you see the Sarah Palin video of her in Philly getting a Cheese steak at Tony Lukes?

524 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:08:49am

re: #518 Egfrow

ustMyView,
it seems like you are wasting allot of energy to convince people of the folly of voting for McCain, in fact you seem to be make too much of an effort for someone who already believes that your side is going to win. Very curious? You are trying to argue with people who are not complete drones. It would be better advised to try and play your Marxist talking points on YouTube commenters.

I'm not trying to convince anybody to vote one way or another. My only objection is to the often-repeated idea that the polls are wrong, biased, or whatever. People should support whichever candidate they prefer, but they shouldn't dismiss data that contradicts their view of the world. Preferring McCain is one thing; ignoring or denying the validity of polls that say that, at this moment in time, a majority of the people prefer Obama is another.

Once again, Obama was ahead earlier in the summer, he was behind after the Republican convention, and now he is ahead again. If the polls are wrong now, what made them right earlier in September when McCain was ahead?

525 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:08:51am

re: #519 galloping granny

Ah yes you did. Coffee is dripping as I type.

put a pot under it, and it won't make a mess......

%-)

526 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:08:54am

She should have gone to Genos.

527 Karridine  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:09:12am

Unreal... he says 'persian and siamese' in plaintext, and I read "Iranian and Thai"...

/my duhhh

528 tommoon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:10:00am

JHW

I read that book many years ago. I think that was a Lt. Colonel, they ringed that perimeter just like in the book. We would have a bunker, then two APC's and then a tank, all the way around. On the beach and in a arc. I think it was the 2ND battalion 1st Cav that was with us.

529 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:10:10am

re: #525 redc1c4

put a pot under it, and it won't make a mess......

%-)

ROFL!

530 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:10:38am

re: #522 Sharmuta

%-)

it's all part of the free service!

531 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:11:00am

re: #521 TheMatrix31

*blush*

532 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:11:21am

re: #527 Karridine

Unreal... he says 'persian and siamese' in plaintext, and I read "Iranian and Thai"...

/my duhhh

think globally and adopt locally. %-)

533 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:11:37am

re: #520 Egfrow

So why are you so eager to believe the Polls. Did you look at 2004 polls from this same time frame between Kerry and Bush? Not even close to being correct. Even still, exit polls have a better chance and they are usually wrong too.

You need to read upthread a little. This conversation started w/ a claim that polls taken a month out from election day in 2004 showed a 10-12 point difference. In fact, they showed a difference of less than two points, with Bush leading, and that's how the election ended up.

534 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:12:02am

re: #527 Karridine

Unreal... he says 'persian and siamese' in plaintext, and I read "Iranian and Thai"...

/my duhhh

Karridine! How are you? and the boys?

535 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:12:22am

re: #524 JustMyView

I'm not trying to convince anybody to vote one way or another. My only objection is to the often-repeated idea that the polls are wrong, biased, or whatever. People should support whichever candidate they prefer, but they shouldn't dismiss data that contradicts their view of the world. Preferring McCain is one thing; ignoring or denying the validity of polls that say that, at this moment in time, a majority of the people prefer Obama is another.

Once again, Obama was ahead earlier in the summer, he was behind after the Republican convention, and now he is ahead again. If the polls are wrong now, what made them right earlier in September when McCain was ahead?

And you shouldn't believe every poll you read as even being remotely connected to some sort of reality. You seem to be make a great effort to promote the view that these polls tell some hidden meaning. Feigned outrage does not work. Who said the polls were right in September. Maybe the numbers are much higher than they are being shown and they had to lower them to make them even. Every election has shown that these numbers are bunk and B.S. when it comes to predicting the final results. The electoral college still chooses in the end.

536 Karridine  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:12:40am

re: #532 redc1c4

LMAO, Red!

I blithely envisioned human children, to match the descriptors I perceived...

537 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:14:29am

re: #517 galloping granny

You are simply wrong. An "average" is simply a general term for some middle point of a data set. Mean, median and mode are all methods of calculating or describing that middle point. The term "average" by itself is utterly meaningless because it does not describe the mathematical method used in the computation.

I repeat - which average? Mean, median or mode? If you don't know or they don't tell you, then the data is sheer BS

Here's a list of statistical definitions for you-
[Link: www.animatedsoftware.com...]

You are wrong. "Average" and "mean" mean the same thing. The term that encompasses mean/average, median, and mode is central tendency.

538 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:14:47am

re: #536 Karridine

LMAO, Red!

I blithely envisioned human children, to match the descriptors I perceived...

PSYOPS.

i'll have to put some pics up of da boyz........

539 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:15:02am

re: #520 Egfrow

So why are you so eager to believe the Polls. Did you look at 2004 polls from this same time frame between Kerry and Bush? Not even close to being correct.

Because I want to win. This isn't as close as Bush v. Kerry.

/don't give up

540 Karridine  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:15:25am

re: #535 Egfrow

Roger that, Eg...

The Polls showed Kerry leading Bush, both before and in exit polls... until almost 4 hours after polls closed on the east coast, IIRC...

Remember that? When Dan Rather choked out some gargled vocalization as he an the other talking heads realized it was BUSH, bigtime?

541 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:15:28am

I have never met anyone or have known anyone that has participated in any national Poll surveys from one of these hows. I live in one of the key demographic areas and I'm not unlisted. Polls are easily manipulated by framing the questions.

542 redc1c4  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:15:40am

i should also go to bed............ L8r!

Hasta, y'all!

543 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:17:10am

Bogus Poll Intended to Boost Obama

But what the news outlets failed to report in their coverage about the Washington Post-ABC poll was the fact that 38% of the individuals who made up the poll identified themselves as Democrats, while only 28% identified themselves as Republicans.

Yeah- I put a great deal of worth on bullshit.

544 Egfrow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:17:36am

Well, I'm out. Enjoy the Saturday Night with Sarah Video. I missed seeing her there by only a few hours. Oh well!

545 Karridine  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:17:53am

re: #537 JustMyView

With due respect, JMV, you may be correct on the definition of terms, may not, but people almost always respond more positively when we couch our rebuttal in terms that don't include "You are wrong."

546 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:17:59am

Good morning, Lizards.

547 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:18:13am

re: #533 JustMyView

You need to read upthread a little. This conversation started w/ a claim that polls taken a month out from election day in 2004 showed a 10-12 point difference. In fact, they showed a difference of less than two points, with Bush leading, and that's how the election ended up.

No, you need to learn a little statistics. You are claiming that an "average" of polls showed a difference of less than two points. As yet you have failed to define whether you are speaking of mean, mode or median - and that is important. Some polls are more accurate than other polls historically. It is more than possible that some polls indicated a 10 to 12 point spread while the "average" shows 1-2 points, just as it is both possible and statistically correct that the the median household income in the US in 2007 was $50,233.00 while the mean was $60,528.

548 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:18:45am

re: #541 Egfrow

I don't answer my phone.

/not until November 5th, anyway

549 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:19:37am

Kerry didn't have a 50-43 lead over Bush.

/and Bush was holding, not losing, all the states he needed to

550 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:20:17am

re: #546 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning, goddess.

551 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:21:12am

re: #549 Killian Bundy

Kerry didn't have a 50-43 lead over Bush.

/and Bush was holding, not losing, all the states he needed to

Well then. Why don't you just run right over to Obamaland and order yourself up a lawn sign.

552 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:22:22am

re: #541 Egfrow

I have never met anyone or have known anyone that has participated in any national Poll surveys from one of these hows. I live in one of the key demographic areas and I'm not unlisted. Polls are easily manipulated by framing the questions.

But what stake do pollsters have in being wrong? They are striving to be as accurate as possible. They sell their services to news organizations, and most polling organizations do surveys for commercial purposes as well. If they can't show that, over time, their results match real-world outcomes fairly closely, they're not going to be in business for long.

The fact that neither you nor anyone you know has never been in a poll is irrelevant. On topics such as national elections, relatively small samples can provide a good estimate of population values. There are millions of people in the United States. There's no reason to think you'd be captured in a national poll.

553 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:22:53am

{Sharmuta}

{galloping granny}

I've mentioned this before, but speaking of lawn signs: The Baby Lizard has observed that houses with Obama signs NEVER have an American flag while those with McCain signs always do...

554 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:23:35am

re: #545 Karridine

With due respect, JMV, you may be correct on the definition of terms, may not, but people almost always respond more positively when we couch our rebuttal in terms that don't include "You are wrong."

I'm sure you're right, but after being told rather insultingly that I'm wrong several times when I'm not, I may have lost my patience. My apologies.

By the way, you may want to review the sorts of things that people have said to me in this thread.

555 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:23:51am

re: #283 x-wing

O.K. drama queen, give it a rest, you're really starting to sound like Edgar now.

You give it a rest. I hadn't even posted on this thread.

And once again, it was MandyManners who started yelling "pedophile!"

556 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:25:13am

re: #553 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}

{galloping granny}

I've mentioned this before, but speaking of lawn signs: The Baby Lizard has observed that houses with Obama signs NEVER have an American flag while those with McCain signs always do...

I have noticed that tendency too.

557 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:26:18am

re: #511 Killian Bundy

Cynics? With 35 days to go, McCain is behind in national polls, beyond the margin of error, and he's giving up huge tracts of territory in the battleground states.

Sit here, in this pan of water, let me gradually turn the heat up for the next 35 days.

/status quo says you're nationally outnumbered and you lose, don't take it for granted

Maybe EIDE can make room for you on the whiner's bench.

Maybe you should put an ice skate on one foot. You could augur yourself a hole in the ground while you run around in circles. Might strike oil, you never can tell.

558 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:27:46am

re: #547 galloping granny

No, you need to learn a little statistics. You are claiming that an "average" of polls showed a difference of less than two points. As yet you have failed to define whether you are speaking of mean, mode or median - and that is important. Some polls are more accurate than other polls historically. It is more than possible that some polls indicated a 10 to 12 point spread while the "average" shows 1-2 points, just as it is both possible and statistically correct that the the median household income in the US in 2007 was $50,233.00 while the mean was $60,528.

Again, average = mean. And here are the individual polls on which that average is based. As you can see, all through October, the difference between Bush and Kerry was quite small and, generally, Bush was ahead.

559 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:31:49am

Obama "stuck" at 60% of Jewish vote.

(Not even!)

The U.S. senator from Illinois scored 57 percent, compared to 30 percent of respondents who said they would vote for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). That’s consistent with two other major polls taken since May.
If Obama’s figure holds, he would finish about 15 points behind the 75 percent of the Jewish vote that Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) won in 2004, according to exit polls.

560 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:31:57am

re: #553 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}

{galloping granny}

I've mentioned this before, but speaking of lawn signs: The Baby Lizard has observed that houses with Obama signs NEVER have an American flag while those with McCain signs always do...

Good Morning all. I have noticed that as well. One house in my area flys the Jolly Roger & has an Obama yard sign. Can't make it up.

561 yesandno  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:32:15am

re: #35 Wyatt Earp

It causes excessive tinkling, though.

Down the pant's leg....

Used to be tingles but then Matthews got pissed.

562 jim in virginia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:33:04am

Morning all. I'm curious what words of wisdom or prognostication 3wood will offer this morning.
littleoldlady: Happy new year!

563 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:34:01am

re: #551 galloping granny

Well then. Why don't you just run right over to Obamaland and order yourself up a lawn sign.

What good would that do? I'm voting for Mccain/Palin.

/35 days to go, right now we're losing, just sayin'

564 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:34:36am

re: #562 jim in virginia

{My Rove!} :-)

565 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:35:34am

re: #558 JustMyView

Again, average = mean. And here are the individual polls on which that average is based. As you can see, all through October, the difference between Bush and Kerry was quite small and, generally, Bush was ahead.

Again, this has been a big part of my professional life for quite some while. A report that cites statistics claiming an "average" without specifically stating whether it is the mean, the mode or the median is incorrect. That is why when you read a report from the US Census bureau they refer specifically to the Mean US Household Income and the Median US Household Income - not the "average." They are both "averages." Scientifically - and polling is a science - the term "average" is not defined as specifically the mean average. In any scientific discipline statistical claims that cited "average" rather than mean, median or mode would be completely ignored as invalid.

"Quite small" is also a term without meaning. Perhaps you mean "within the margin of error" - which means it is a statistical tie, otherwise known as "damned if we know" or "anyone's best guess."

566 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:35:35am

re: #543 Sharmuta

Bogus Poll Intended to Boost Obama

Yeah- I put a great deal of worth on bullshit.

All national polls include more Dems than Repubs because, guess what, more people self-identify as Dems than as Repubs. Even Karl Rove would tell you that.

567 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:36:59am

re: #559 littleoldlady

Obama "stuck" at 60% of Jewish vote.

(Not even!)


That's great!

568 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:37:24am

re: #563 Killian Bundy

What good would that do? I'm voting for Mccain/Palin.

/35 days to go, right now we're losing, just sayin'

Well if you ARE voting for McCain/Palin and have nothing supportive to say, then might I suggest to you that you shut the hell up. If you cannot be part of the win, at least do not attempt to broker a loss with your cynicism and defeatist attitude.

569 jim in virginia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:37:50am

Been reading upthread. Is it just me or do lizards seem a bit testy this morning?
C'mon folks, take a deep breath. We'll survive this.
We're (most of us) supposed to be friends here.

570 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:37:51am

re: #565 galloping granny

Again, this has been a big part of my professional life for quite some while. A report that cites statistics claiming an "average" without specifically stating whether it is the mean, the mode or the median is incorrect. That is why when you read a report from the US Census bureau they refer specifically to the Mean US Household Income and the Median US Household Income - not the "average." They are both "averages." Scientifically - and polling is a science - the term "average" is not defined as specifically the mean average. In any scientific discipline statistical claims that cited "average" rather than mean, median or mode would be completely ignored as invalid.

"Quite small" is also a term without meaning. Perhaps you mean "within the margin of error" - which means it is a statistical tie, otherwise known as "damned if we know" or "anyone's best guess."

Yes, statisticians generally refer to the mean, but in public polling, most reports refer to the average. They are different terms for the same mathematical indicator.

571 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:39:00am

I hate pessimism and complaining. Every time I forget how blessed I am to live in this time and place, I remember Sam Pepy's famous diary, 16th century England, where he described being tied face down, no antiseptic, no anesthesia to have this done to him. The very thought of it makes me shudder.

Sam had his stone removed by Thomas Hollier of St. Thomas’s and Bart’s on March 26, 1658. He celebrated his survival of the surgery and the relief from pain every year on this date. Claire Tomalin’s biography, ‘Samuel Pepys: The Unequalled Self,’ gives a well-researched description of this surgery, its risks, the preparations, the surgery itself, and the follow-up care. Here is the gory heart of her account, but read her book for the all the preparations—the foods and herb, the fast-binding done in place of an anesthetic—and the follow-up care—a really amazing passage in the book:

“The surgeon got to work. First he inserted a thin silver instrument, the itinerarium, through the penis into the bladder to help position the stone. Then he made the incision, about three inches long and a finger’s breadth from the line running between scrotum and anus, and into the neck of the bladder, or just below it. The patient’s face was sponged as the incision was made. The stone was sought, found and grasped with pincers; the more speedily it could be got out the better. Once out, the wound was not stitched—it was thought best to let it drain and cicatrize itself—but simply washed and covered with a dressing, or even kept open at first with a small roll of soft cloth known as a tent, dipped in egg white. A plaster of egg yolk, rose vinegar and anointing oils was then applied

The Diary of Samuel Pepys

572 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:39:40am

re: #554 JustMyView

I'm sure you're right, but after being told rather insultingly that I'm wrong several times when I'm not, I may have lost my patience. My apologies.

By the way, you may want to review the sorts of things that people have said to me in this thread.

Good Morning JMV. Somewhat on topic, the exit polling last election showed Kerry winning in a land slide. The poll was taken in the East & released mid morning. The Results were highly skewed & no doubt suppressed Republican vote, as it looked useless to many.
The point being , polls & intent can be suspect.

573 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:40:02am

re: #566 JustMyView

All national polls include more Dems than Repubs because, guess what, more people self-identify as Dems than as Repubs. Even Karl Rove would tell you that.

Thank you for proving my point- the polls are stacked. Lord only knows why are you are here spouting at us-we won't be convinced the media is playing fair or change our votes. You go back on GAZE now, 0bamatron.

574 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:40:39am

re: #557 Alberta Oil Peon

Maybe EIDE can make room for you on the whiner's bench.

Maybe you should put an ice skate on one foot. You could augur yourself a hole in the ground while you run around in circles. Might strike oil, you never can tell.

/maybe you should pay more attention to trends in the lower 48, hardcore Republicans like me sense a huge deficit, someone needs to light a Texas bonfire under McCain, we're way past halftime

575 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:40:59am

re: #570 JustMyView

Yes, statisticians generally refer to the mean, but in public polling, most reports refer to the average. They are different terms for the same mathematical indicator.

No, they are not different terms for the same indicator. In polling data that is intended for advertising purposes for example, you can bet that mean, median and mode are specified exactly, just as they are in the Census report. THIS polling data does not use the correct terminology because it is an attempt to influence opinion, not accurately report opinion.

If polling data was as accurate as you seem to think it is, we could just jolly well do without even taking a vote.

576 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:42:51am

A lot is going to depend on how this financial crisis turns out. If it gets even worse, and Obama and co. can find a way to blame it on the Republicans, we're going to be in trouble.

577 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:43:06am

re: #569 jim in virginia

Been reading upthread. Is it just me or do lizards seem a bit testy this morning?
C'mon folks, take a deep breath. We'll survive this.
We're (most of us) supposed to be friends here.

{jim in virginia}

578 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:43:14am

re: #574 Killian Bundy

/maybe you should pay more attention to trends in the lower 48, hardcore Republicans like me sense a huge deficit, someone needs to light a Texas bonfire under McCain, we're way past halftime

"Hardcore" republicans are not going to win this election. Middle of the road Republicans and independents and a whole bunch of folks that used to be Democrats are going to win this election.

579 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:44:07am

re: #568 galloping granny

Well if you ARE voting for McCain/Palin and have nothing supportive to say, then might I suggest to you that you shut the hell up. If you cannot be part of the win, at least do not attempt to broker a loss with your cynicism and defeatist attitude.

You sound scared.

/win or lose Thursday

580 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:44:27am

Kerry's lead in the polls in 2004 was a good example, of course. In the end, people saw what a schmuck he was.

It could be that the same thing will happen with Obama. When it comes down to it, voters will get cold feet.

581 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:44:40am

re: #573 Sharmuta

Thank you for proving my point- the polls are stacked. Lord only knows why are you are here spouting at us-we won't be convinced the media is playing fair or change our votes. You go back on GAZE now, 0bamatron.

You are essentially saying that you dismiss all data that contradict your point of view. That's a very dangerous way to live.

The link I gave you did not show any form of bias. It showed that, at this point in history, more people identify themselves as Dems than as Repubs. You can deny that if you like, but it's been found over and over again. Democratic voter registration is up all over the country. Republican voter registration is not. I don't see how it helps your understanding of the world or your ability to shape it in the way you want to ignore those facts.

582 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:46:13am

re: #581 JustMyView

It showed that, at this point in history, more people identify themselves as Dems than as Repubs.

Does not mean much except in regards to poll results. Isn't a good way to predict the actual winner.

583 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:46:30am

re: #580 Edgar

Kerry's lead in the polls in 2004 was a good example, of course. In the end, people saw what a schmuck he was.

It could be that the same thing will happen with Obama. When it comes down to it, voters will get cold feet.

Once again, although there were exit polls on Election Day that showed Kerry leading, public polls taken prior to that showed a close election with Bush leading.

584 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:46:59am

re: #578 galloping granny

Middle of the road Republicans and independents and a whole bunch of folks that used to be Democrats are going to win this election.

I'll leave that to you.

/and you're going to need a [expletive deleted]load of them

585 TheMatrix31  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:47:07am

Right now, I liken the race to a basketball game where one team has about a 12-14 point lead with around 6 minutes to go in the game. Not easy to overcome, but certainly not over.

586 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:47:16am

re: #576 Edgar

A lot is going to depend on how this financial crisis turns out. If it gets even worse, and Obama and co. can find a way to blame it on the Republicans, we're going to be in trouble.

Not to worry. There is a Russian nuclear-powered flotilla steaming for our oceans as we speak to conduct naval exercises with Venezuela. And Putin has decided that he will build a nuclear plant for Venezuela. The first overturns 200 years of US foreign policy and brings the Russian Navy into our sphere for the first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The second opens the whole can of worms of another Iran in our own backyard.

The financial crisis is the very least of our worries right this minute and things will change just as soon as the MSM manages to find enough room on the front page for some other stuff that happens to be extremely important to our national security.

587 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:47:54am

Decision Tree Analysis:

On November 4 there is an election.

A - McCain wins

--JustMyView is disappointed

B - Obama wins

Scenario A - The American people decide that they don't like Socialism. In 2010 Congress consists of 80% Republicans, and I never again see a Democrat in the White House in my lifetime.

Scenario B - The American people decide that they do like Socialism and I, along with a bunch of other Lizards, move to Texas which then secedes.

/always good at math; never good at statistics ;-)

588 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:48:06am

re: #579 Killian Bundy

You sound scared.

/win or lose Thursday

No, I am not scared. I am disgusted.

589 yesandno  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:48:17am

re: #552 JustMyView

But what stake do pollsters have in being wrong? They are striving to be as accurate as possible. They sell their services to news organizations, and most polling organizations do surveys for commercial purposes as well. If they can't show that, over time, their results match real-world outcomes fairly closely, they're not going to be in business for long.

The fact that neither you nor anyone you know has never been in a poll is irrelevant. On topics such as national elections, relatively small samples can provide a good estimate of population values. There are millions of people in the United States. There's no reason to think you'd be captured in a national poll.

Sometimes the power of a poll is the power of suggestion. If it shows a lead of one over another on data that is only half explained, you run into the "jump on the bus" crowd that don't want to be left behind so inaccurate information leads to re-enforcement of that very data.

Think we know that emotion is driving a good portion of the electorate this year. Whether it be casting a vote to end racial divide or anger about the economic markets or whatever, many are being lead by the polls and then they are surprised by the actual results. Wishing doesn't make it so, but it doesn't stop so many from wishing, and hoping, and I forget the words to the rest of that song!

Bottom line, people are going to do what they are going to do and if a pollster asks the correct question, they will get the correct answer. But if they ask only certain questions, then the certain answers might only apply to "sum" and not all.

590 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:48:23am

re: #582 Edgar

Does not mean much except in regards to poll results. Isn't a good way to predict the actual winner.

Um, isn't it usually true that people vote for the candidate of the party they identify with? If you were a Repub running for office, would you rather be running in a district where there were more self-identified Repubs or more self-identified Dems?

591 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:49:08am

re: #581 JustMyView

I dismiss media bullshit.

592 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:49:23am

I've got to get ready for school, so I'll bid you all a good day.

593 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:49:41am

re: #590 JustMyView

Two words: Reagan Democrats.

594 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:49:44am

re: #579 Killian Bundy

You sound scared.

/win or lose Thursday


I want McCain to say the name Tony Rezko over & over to himself & be ready for the next debate.
People understand that the housing bubble burst has created the crisis.
Obama ties into Rezko very clearly as influence peddaling to get his sweetheart deal on his Hyde Park mansion. It is corruption that an angry public can understand.

595 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:49:44am

re: #586 galloping granny

Not to worry. There is a Russian nuclear-powered flotilla steaming for our oceans as we speak to conduct naval exercises with Venezuela. And Putin has decided that he will build a nuclear plant for Venezuela. The first overturns 200 years of US foreign policy and brings the Russian Navy into our sphere for the first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The second opens the whole can of worms of another Iran in our own backyard.

The financial crisis is the very least of our worries right this minute and things will change just as soon as the MSM manages to find enough room on the front page for some other stuff that happens to be extremely important to our national security.

Well, I suppose it's a good time for an election. If this crisis deepens into a major recession (depression?) and people start losing their jobs, it will probably become a bigger issue than Cold War-type games in Latin America.

Then again, anything can happen.

596 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:50:54am

re: #590 JustMyView

Um, isn't it usually true that people vote for the candidate of the party they identify with? If you were a Repub running for office, would you rather be running in a district where there were more self-identified Repubs or more self-identified Dems?

I think there will be a lot of "undecided" voters with Obama who might swing it the other way.

597 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:51:06am

Ah jeez, two Bonkey trolls exchanging glances.

/November Surprise forthcoming

598 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:52:52am

re: #589 yesandno

Sometimes the power of a poll is the power of suggestion. If it shows a lead of one over another on data that is only half explained, you run into the "jump on the bus" crowd that don't want to be left behind so inaccurate information leads to re-enforcement of that very data.

You may be right about this. But now you are talking about the effects of polling data, not about their validity. It certainly is true that people may be influenced by what they hear about other people's beliefs, but there is no more reason to assume that of anyone else than there is of yourself.

599 yesandno  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:53:09am

re: #580 Edgar

Kerry's lead in the polls in 2004 was a good example, of course. In the end, people saw what a schmuck he was.

It could be that the same thing will happen with Obama. When it comes down to it, voters will get cold feet.

Ah....the schmuck poll....or would that be redundant?

600 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:53:41am

re: #596 Edgar

I think there will be a lot of "undecided" voters with Obama who might swing it the other way.

You may be right. That's not how things look right now, but it could certainly change in the next month.

601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:53:53am

Waaaah. Waaaaah! WAAAAAH!

Didn't want to get up!

LGF is still broken for me! Can't ding! Can't reply! Can't quote!

You know I can't smile without you. I can't laugh, and I can't sing;
I'm finding it hard, to do anything!

-Barry Manilow
and
-Hellboy

602 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:54:08am

re: #593 littleoldlady

Two words: Reagan Democrats.

This election has a new term- PUMAs. With the last few elections being as close as they were, even a fraction of Hillary's 18 million supports flipping for McCain gives us an edge.

603 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:55:10am

re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you cleared your cache and all that good stuff?

604 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:55:30am

re: #598 JustMyView

You may be right about this. But now you are talking about the effects of polling data, not about their validity. It certainly is true that people may be influenced by what they hear about other people's beliefs, but there is no more reason to assume that of anyone else than there is of yourself.

No, that is not what he is talking about at all. The intent to influence the jump on the bus crowd is one of the prime reasons behind these polls. And it is unbelievably easy to structure the questions that you ask or the tone of voice that you use or even the order you ask them in to manipulate the answers that you get. Before you allow for the manipulation inherent in who you choose to answer the questions, the time of day, the day of the week, whether or not you offer an award. . . . .

605 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:55:59am

re: #603 Sharmuta

Have you cleared your cache and all that good stuff?

And rebooted.

606 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:57:13am

re: #572 opnion

Good Morning JMV. Somewhat on topic, the exit polling last election showed Kerry winning in a land slide. The poll was taken in the East & released mid morning. The Results were highly skewed & no doubt suppressed Republican vote, as it looked useless to many.
The point being , polls & intent can be suspect.

Yes, you're right. But exit polls are much less systematic than the public opinion polls taken in the lead-up to the election.

607 guzziguy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:58:50am

Your text to link...

Sometimes cartoonists say it better than anyone else. Today's is a good one.

608 guzziguy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 3:59:27am

Dang! forgot to change that tag.

609 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:00:02am

re: #604 galloping granny

No, that is not what he is talking about at all. The intent to influence the jump on the bus crowd is one of the prime reasons behind these polls. And it is unbelievably easy to structure the questions that you ask or the tone of voice that you use or even the order you ask them in to manipulate the answers that you get. Before you allow for the manipulation inherent in who you choose to answer the questions, the time of day, the day of the week, whether or not you offer an award. . . . .

Once again, I'll mention the change in the polls over time. If they are somehow biased (by question form, order, or whatever), you have to explain how that bias has shifted in relation to events. The same polls that are now showing an Obama lead showed a McCain lead earlier in September.

Is it more likely that the polling method changed, or is it more likely that the results changed because of events occurring in the world?

610 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:00:23am

re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Have you tried using a different browser?

611 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:02:07am

re: #606 JustMyView

Yes, you're right. But exit polls are much less systematic than the public opinion polls taken in the lead-up to the election.


That is true, but the early release of the exit polls did supress Republican vote.
You have to ask whether it was Democrats who went to the polls early , or were Democrats more willing to be polled , or did the in many cases young pollsters seek out kindred spirits.
In any case exit polling serves no legitimate purpose.

612 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:05:24am

re: #609 JustMyView

Once again, I'll mention the change in the polls over time. If they are somehow biased (by question form, order, or whatever), you have to explain how that bias has shifted in relation to events. The same polls that are now showing an Obama lead showed a McCain lead earlier in September.

Is it more likely that the polling method changed, or is it more likely that the results changed because of events occurring in the world?

For a poll taken today to mean exactly the same thing as it did a month ago would require that exactly the same people be asked exactly the same questions by exactly the same people in exactly the same order and tone of voice at exactly the same time of day on the same day of the week. Then, and only then, can you deduce with some degree of certainty whether or not events were the sole cause of the change in results.

Polls are not infallible. They are not even always particularly accurate and are in fact sometimes highly inaccurate. They are easily manipulated. And all of that is well known. Why would you discard all consideration of these well established facts?

613 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:05:41am

If we're all moving to Texas, can I get a lot next to tfk?

614 yesandno  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:06:15am

re: #604 galloping granny

No, that is not what he is talking about at all. The intent to influence the jump on the bus crowd is one of the prime reasons behind these polls. And it is unbelievably easy to structure the questions that you ask or the tone of voice that you use or even the order you ask them in to manipulate the answers that you get. Before you allow for the manipulation inherent in who you choose to answer the questions, the time of day, the day of the week, whether or not you offer an award. . . . .

Correct...and we know this because different polls get different results. Some show a small lead, some a larger one outside the margin of error. The base questions are different or the populations chosen are different to a significant number. And each points to whatever poll most readily supports their position to bolster that position.

Figures don't like but liars figure.

615 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:07:17am

For JMV:

You're a useful tool. Remember- it's not we that think this of you, it's your party that does.

616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:07:26am

re: #603 Sharmuta

Have you cleared your cache and all that good stuff?

I have now. Charles must have told us to do that while I was in the "cone of silence". Thanks Sharmuta, Granny, Spirit.

Now I'm smiling with you!

617 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:07:28am

re: #611 opnion

That is true, but the early release of the exit polls did supress Republican vote.
You have to ask whether it was Democrats who went to the polls early , or were Democrats more willing to be polled , or did the in many cases young pollsters seek out kindred spirits.
In any case exit polling serves no legitimate purpose.

You also have to ask if that "exit polling" was not deliberately released with the willful intent to influence the vote on the west coast (CA - 67 electoral college votes)? I see no other purpose. Which then begs the question was the early exit polling released even real or was it invented out of whole cloth?

618 imtoast  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:07:35am

Does anyone have the link for who actually voted on the bailout bill?

619 guzziguy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:08:23am

re: #613 Sharmuta

If we're all moving to Texas, can I get a lot next to tfk?

Houston area housing is inexpensive. Well, other parts of the country may now be dropping to Houston levels NOW, but anyway. One of the best Guzzi dealers in the country is just west of Houston off I-10. I'll take a homestead not too far from there please.

620 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:09:07am

re: #612 galloping granny

For a poll taken today to mean exactly the same thing as it did a month ago would require that exactly the same people be asked exactly the same questions by exactly the same people in exactly the same order and tone of voice at exactly the same time of day on the same day of the week. Then, and only then, can you deduce with some degree of certainty whether or not events were the sole cause of the change in results.

Polls are not infallible. They are not even always particularly accurate and are in fact sometimes highly inaccurate. They are easily manipulated. And all of that is well known. Why would you discard all consideration of these well established facts?

No, it doesn't mean that at all. Through scientific sampling, it is quite possible to compare results collected at different points in time.

I haven't argued at all that polls are infallible. What I've argued against is that they are (a) worthless or (b) systematically biased.

621 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:09:49am

re: #618 imtoast

Does anyone have the link for who actually voted on the bailout bill?

If you go look down in the thread about the bill failing there is a complete list of who voted what.

622 yesandno  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:10:04am

Opps...

Figures don't like but liars figure.

Should be: Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

623 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:10:34am

re: #615 Sharmuta

For JMV:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

You're a useful tool. Remember- it's not we that think this of you, it's your party that does.

Funny...I was just thinking of a brick wall...

624 imtoast  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:11:23am

re: #621 galloping granny

If you go look down in the thread about the bill failing there is a complete list of who voted what.

Thank you so much GG!

625 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:12:04am

Well, hell, not only are they not only containing to insult Republicans, but they're still insisting that we denied the missing eleven votes.

/HELL NO NANCY, YOU'VE GOT 85 OF YOUR MAJORITY TO SPARE, EAT IT OR WEAR ITT

626 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:12:06am

re: #611 opnion

That is true, but the early release of the exit polls did supress Republican vote.
You have to ask whether it was Democrats who went to the polls early , or were Democrats more willing to be polled , or did the in many cases young pollsters seek out kindred spirits.
In any case exit polling serves no legitimate purpose.

I hadn't seen any evidence of vote suppression. Do you have a link?

627 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:12:26am

re: #623 scottishbuzzsaw

Funny...I was just thinking of a brick wall...

That's exactly what I was thinking. GMTA, Sweetie.

And FBV- you're welcome.

628 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:12:54am

JMV, Killian:

Just for a moment, forget the short term static (polls, media) and ask yourself, based on what you've learned in your life, do you really believe the American people are going to elect BO to the presidency?

They didn't elect Kerry but they'll elect BO? Really?

I just don't see it.

629 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:16:51am

re: #628 Spirit93

Just for a moment, forget the short term static (polls, media) and ask yourself, based on what you've learned in your life, do you really believe the American people are going to elect BO to the presidency?

They didn't elect Kerry but they'll elect BO? Really?

I just don't see it.

/election held today, absolutely, the battleground states have been slipping away

630 guzziguy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:17:04am

re: #628 Spirit93

JMV, Killian:

They didn't elect Kerry but they'll elect BO? Really?

They came pretty darn close.

I hope you're right. That's the extent of my hope in this election.

631 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:17:36am

re: #628 Spirit93

JMV, Killian:

Just for a moment, forget the short term static (polls, media) and ask yourself, based on what you've learned in your life, do you really believe the American people are going to elect BO to the presidency?

They didn't elect Kerry but they'll elect BO? Really?

I just don't see it.

I guess we'll find out! It does seem implausible in some ways, but many things have changed since 2004.

632 littleoldlady  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:18:10am

re: #628 Spirit93

JMV, Killian:

Just for a moment, forget the short term static (polls, media) and ask yourself, based on what you've learned in your life, do you really believe the American people are going to elect BO to the presidency?

They didn't elect Kerry but they'll elect BO? Really?

I just don't see it.

The real question is, are Americans mad enough at Bush to cut off their noses to spite their faces?

633 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:18:26am

re: #628 Spirit93

JMV, Killian:

Just for a moment, forget the short term static (polls, media) and ask yourself, based on what you've learned in your life, do you really believe the American people are going to elect BO to the presidency?

They didn't elect Kerry but they'll elect BO? Really?

I just don't see it.

And keep in mind that while people are not happy with Bush - approval rating at about 30%, Congress' approval rating is in the 9-12% range - as one wit termed it "the only people who approve of them are their families and staff." More than 65% of the American public was dead set against that bailout proposal and I suspect that nobody is amused by the going ons since the fail. I would suspect that many congress critters are going to be hard put to keep their seats this year and every single one of the House of Reps is up for election. Tough times to be an imcumbent.

/That is before we even think about the broken promises Pelosi made that rolled the Dems into control of Congress in the first place - that "First Hundred Days" list. Is even one of them done yet?

634 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:20:57am

re: #633 galloping granny

Actually, she did deliver on her number one priority from '06. She promised gas prices would change. :)

635 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:22:24am

re: #629 Killian Bundy

/election held today, absolutely, the battleground states have been slipping away

Your still thinking in terms of polls.

Let me rephrase the question. You've been in a coma for 2 years. You wake up, an impartial person tells you about Obama and McCain. Who do you think is going to win? By what proportion?

I'm not saying the polls don't matter, just that this is a different perspective.

636 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:22:26am

re: #629 Killian Bundy

/election held today, absolutely, the battleground states have been slipping away

You know, as of a week or so ago only about 10-15% of the public was still undecided. We've heard a lot of Democrats refusing to vote for Obama, but not a single person who intended to vote for McCain but isn't going to now. I'm not so sure how much of that "slippage" isn't just wishful thinking.

As I have said repeatedly here over the last couple of weeks, the evidence on the ground in New Hampshire says NH is voting McCain. And VT might very well follow along - certainly at least the eastern side of VT is voting McCain.

Somebody made the comment earlier "When was the last time MA voted Republican." Are you familiar with Mitt Romney. There are no Obama signs on any of the main routes in Amherst, Massachusetts.

637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:23:24am

Just read Michael Moore's take on all of this bail-out stuff.

I was shocked. SHOCKED I tell ya! He blames Republicans.

To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. Let me state this simply: If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage "crisis" may never have happened.

Maybe, maybe not Mike. But do you want to trade one crisis for another? If it did not avert this mortgage "crisis", would you have been happier for two calamities? Two crises?

And Mike. The real problem is not so much "working class" idiots who got mortgages "they couldn't afford". It was a whole bunch of (simply) idiots who took mortgages they couldn't afford. And "fat cat bankers" who were forced to make the loans to them.

638 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:23:37am

re: #620 JustMyView

No, it doesn't mean that at all. Through scientific sampling, it is quite possible to compare results collected at different points in time.

I haven't argued at all that polls are infallible. What I've argued against is that they are (a) worthless or (b) systematically biased.

I can name at leas three socialists, one communist, and two terrorists that have been close mentors to Obama.

/and you're okay with that?

639 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:24:53am

re: #586 galloping granny

.

The financial crisis is the very least of our worries right this minute and things will change just as soon as the MSM manages to find enough room on the front page for some other stuff that happens to be extremely important to our national security.

Low oil prices and econominc insecurity make authoritarian countries (Iran, Russia North Korea) do stupid things. Heck, they make democracies do stupid things. If in a couple weeks, the mullahs sink a tanker in the Arabian Persian Gulf or Putin sends troops into Ukraine, how will voters react? Will they want a war hero or a feel good isolationist?

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:25:17am

Oh yeah, really like the spell checker here. Did not know that plural of "crisis" is "crises".

641 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:25:21am

re: #635 Spirit93

Your still thinking in terms of polls.

Let me rephrase the question. You've been in a coma for 2 years. You wake up, an impartial person tells you about Obama and McCain. Who do you think is going to win? By what proportion?

I'm not saying the polls don't matter, just that this is a different perspective.

I see what you're getting at--that Obama is culturally "different", that McCain is a war hero and long-time public servant, etc. But the voters haven't been in a coma for two years.

642 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:25:40am

re: #634 NC State of Mind

Actually, she did deliver on her number one priority from '06. She promised gas prices would change. :)

You are correct! I heard her ranting about the gas prices being all Bush's fault the other day. Funny, they have risen from $2.65 a gal or so to nearly $4 since she took charge. And the price that we are paying this year for home heating oil has doubled - literally. Nancy Pelosi is in charge and has enough Democrats in the House that the only reason she needs a single Republican even present is to provide enough bodies for a vote. She has no one to blame but herself, because it is Congress in charge of making law, not Bush.

643 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:27:15am

re: #639 Jim in Virginia

Low oil prices and econominc insecurity make authoritarian countries (Iran, Russia North Korea) do stupid things. Heck, they make democracies do stupid things. If in a couple weeks, the mullahs sink a tanker in the Arabian Persian Gulf or Putin sends troops into Ukraine, how will voters react? Will they want a war hero or a feel good isolationist?

High oil prices (and they are still more than double what they were a mere two years ago) make authoritarian regimes think they have the upper hand on the world stage and that they can just dictate their wants or shut off the pumps.

They forget that it is even easier to shut off the groceries - and that they don't grow any of those.

644 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:27:44am

re: #638 Killian Bundy

I can name at leas three socialists, one communist, and two terrorists that have been close mentors to Obama.

/and you're okay with that?

I agree with you, that given all the facts the American people will not elect BHO. But their is another variable this time, and that is the control of information by the MSM. They have been very effective at painting him, not just as a mainstream liberal, but a moderate. I know at least five people who will vote for BHO, who are semi-intelligent, and have never seen a clip of Jeremiah Wright. I firmly believe if we had a fair media McCain would win 535-3 and get 70% of the popular vote.

645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:28:20am

re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh yeah, really like the spell checker here. Did not know that plural of "crisis" is "crises".

I just figured that if O'bama gets elected, we should know how to spell crisis in plural.

646 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:28:50am

re: #635 Spirit93

Your still thinking in terms of polls.

/well, excuse me, with 35 days to go, that's my political science degree talking, and it's screaming don't [expletive deleted] this up any further down the yellow brick road

647 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:29:15am

re: #639 Jim in Virginia

Low oil prices and econominc insecurity make authoritarian countries (Iran, Russia North Korea) do stupid things. Heck, they make democracies do stupid things. If in a couple weeks, the mullahs sink a tanker in the Arabian Persian Gulf or Putin sends troops into Ukraine, how will voters react? Will they want a war hero or a feel good isolationist?

I'm more worried about the idiots doing something stupid down Venezuela way. And waiting for the MSM to get off its arse and report the fact that the dismissal of the American Ambassador by Venezuela was just one step shy of an outright declaration of war.

648 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:30:46am

re: #641 JustMyView

I see what you're getting at--that Obama is culturally "different", that McCain is a war hero and long-time public servant, etc. But the voters haven't been in a coma for two years.

No, you completely misread me. I'm taking about issues and positions, as well as character and background. But more importantly I'm trying to get you to see a different perspective, to go with your wisdom and intuition instead of all the daily noise.

649 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:30:59am
650 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:31:11am

re: #638 Killian Bundy

I can name at leas three socialists, one communist, and two terrorists that have been close mentors to Obama.

/and you're okay with that?


/calling the Missouri AG now....

651 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:32:12am

re: #644 NC State of Mind

I agree with you, that given all the facts the American people will not elect BHO. But their is another variable this time, and that is the control of information by the MSM. They have been very effective at painting him, not just as a mainstream liberal, but a moderate. I know at least five people who will vote for BHO, who are semi-intelligent, and have never seen a clip of Jeremiah Wright. I firmly believe if we had a fair media McCain would win 535-3 and get 70% of the popular vote.

It always strikes me as odd that people are talking on the Internet about the MSM control of information. If you think it's important for your friends to see clips of Jeremiah Wright, then why not sit them down in front of youtube and show them those clips? They're not exactly hard to find.

652 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:32:24am

re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just read Michael Moore's take on all of this bail-out stuff.

I was shocked. SHOCKED I tell ya! He blames Republicans.

Maybe, maybe not Mike. But do you want to trade one crisis for another? If it did not avert this mortgage "crisis", would you have been happier for two calamities? Two crises?

And Mike. The real problem is not so much "working class" idiots who got mortgages "they couldn't afford". It was a whole bunch of (simply) idiots who took mortgages they couldn't afford. And "fat cat bankers" who were forced to make the loans to them.

Oh ferchrissakes! He blames the high cost of medical insurance? Good lord almighty what a tool. The good news is that American Carol is being released on October 3 - starring Mikey :)

653 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:34:00am

re: #648 Spirit93

Good luck with that- JMV's drunk the kool-aid.

654 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:34:17am

re: #649 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

On Pres. Bush's numbers, the 30% is pushed down not just by the commie left anti war loons. There are a number of we former active duty American fighting men who are within the disapprove.

1. Should have sent more troops and heavy Humvee at the start in Iraq, and should have sent more troops to Afghanistan at the same time.

2. Should have used air strikes on Iran when they sent the IED's and the parts for them, ya bomb the places were they made them, and any revolutionary guard units that crossed out of uniform should have been treated at spy's and shot.

3. The nuke plant should have been done by a unknown method, and not a word about it to any one.

4. Should still this day not reward the RINO's in the party.

If he did that, 70% be my guess.

There are also a whole bunch of us that do not like the way he has allowed Condi Rice to handle Israel and the ME.

655 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:34:37am

re: #648 Spirit93

No, you completely misread me. I'm taking about issues and positions, as well as character and background. But more importantly I'm trying to get you to see a different perspective, to go with your wisdom and intuition instead of all the daily noise.

On background, I agree w/ you that an Obama presidency seems implausible, but not so much on issues or character. And, again, people haven't been asleep for the past two years, let alone the past eight.

656 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:35:01am

re: #651 JustMyView

They aren't my friends. They are my coworkers and I am their boss. LGF is great and serves a wonderful purpose, as do the other twenty blogs in my favoorites. But, no matter how great they are, they still fall under the banner of "preaching to the chior."

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:35:35am

re: #652 galloping granny

There's a link on Drudge for Mikey's take on the thing.

Here's another surprise. Chrissy Dodd, and Barney Frank-n-furters names are not mentioned.

658 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:36:20am

Well, well, well.

Is this any surprise, really?

Was the Bailout Vote a Partisan Set-Up?

Pelosi's ineffectiveness has been due, in part, to her unrelenting and strident partisanship, which brings us to today's vote on the bailout bill: suspicion is growing that Pelosi and the Democrats made no serious effort to pass the bill, and that it failed at least in part because Pelosi tried to misuse it for political advantage.

Everyone has heard about the weirdly partisan and inaccurate rant which Pelosi contributed to the debate on the bailout bill. But that speech did not take place in a vacuum. Public opinion is running strongly against the bill, and it required political courage to vote for it. If you look at the list of those who voted "No" in both parties, it is mostly members who are engaged in tough re-election campaigns. This is true on both sides of the aisle.

That being the case, and given the fact that the legislation was in fact a negotiated, bipartisan compromise, the first duty of the majority party is to line up its members to support the majority's bill. But evidence is growing that the Democrats did no such thing.

As of yesterday, the Democrats' House whip, Jim Clyburn said that he hadn't even begun "whipping" Democratic representatives, and wouldn't do so unless and until he got orders from Nancy Pelosi. Today, Democratic Congressman Peter DeFazio told NPR that he never was "whipped" on the bill
. So Pelosi evidently left Democrats to vote their consciences--which is to say, vote against the bill if they thought it was politically necessary--while counting on Republicans to put the bill over the top.

659 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:36:40am

WTF?

Karzai asks Saudi Arabia for help in peace talks

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Tuesday he has asked the king of Saudi Arabia to help facilitate peace talks with the Taliban in order to bring an end to the Afghan conflict.

Karzai said there has not yet been any negotiations, only requests for help. But he said that Afghan officials have traveled to both Saudi Arabia and to Pakistan in hopes of ending the conflict.

"For the last two years, I've sent letters to the king of Saudi Arabia, and I've sent messages, and I requested from him as the leader of the Islamic world, for the security and prosperity of Afghanistan and for reconciliation in Afghanistan ... he should help us," Karzai said.

Uh.... President Karzai? You're not arabs, so they don't care.

660 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:37:46am

re: #656 NC State of Mind

They aren't my friends. They are my coworkers and I am their boss. LGF is great and serves a wonderful purpose, as do the other twenty blogs in my favoorites. But, no matter how great they are, they still fall under the banner of "preaching to the chior."

Right you are. And anyone who sounds a discordant note had better have a thick skin.

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:38:39am

re: #660 JustMyView

Right you are. And anyone who sounds a discordant note had better have a thick skin.

Or facts to back up their claims...

662 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:39:00am

re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's a link on Drudge for Mikey's take on the thing.

Here's another surprise. Chrissy Dodd, and Barney Frank-n-furters names are not mentioned.

Mikey needs to be slapped upside the head. There is nothing more irritating that someone who has never spent a single day working in medicine, who has no idea of the business end of medicine on any level other than paying his personal copays, to start mouthing off about how "bad" the American medical system is.

Listen up Mikey: It isn't perfect, but we still have the very best medical delivery system in the entire world. Even if some folks don't have insurance.

663 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:40:09am

re: #651 JustMyView

It always strikes me as odd that people are talking on the Internet about the MSM control of information. If you think it's important for your friends to see clips of Jeremiah Wright, then why not sit them down in front of youtube and show them those clips? They're not exactly hard to find.

The MSM had power and a certain level of credibility with many folks.

And that is the issue. The MSM using their power to influence, instead of inform, which is what their job is.

You are OK with a "national media" that runs with the party line and spouts what everyone is supposed to think? You are OK with that? Doesn't that tactic remind you of another country where that happens?

664 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:40:28am

re: #661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or facts to back up their claims...

If you check back, I think you'll see that I've provided credible links for any claims I've made.

Checking out now, folks. Back later.

665 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:41:41am

re: #658 reine.de.tout

Well, well, well.

Is this any surprise, really?

Was the Bailout Vote a Partisan Set-Up?

No surprise at all. I've suspected from the get go when Obama raised a stink about McCain going back to Washington that the whole thing was a "blame the republicans" ploy. And I'm starting to suspect that the entire "crisis" is manufactured in order to influence the election.

BTW, did I hear somewhere that Paulson is a democrat?

666 Marvo76  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:41:55am

re: #50 HelloDare

Joe Biden = Maxwell Smart

"He missed it by THAT much!"

667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:42:07am

re: #664 JustMyView

What the hell? Are you Brave Sir Robin?

Wasn't throwing accusations. I was just sayin'...

668 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:43:06am

re: #663 reine.de.tout

The MSM had power and a certain level of credibility with many folks.

And that is the issue. The MSM using their power to influence, instead of inform, which is what their job is.

You are OK with a "national media" that runs with the party line and spouts what everyone is supposed to think? You are OK with that? Doesn't that tactic remind you of another country where that happens?

But again, Jeremiah Wright was all over the national media for days, maybe even weeks. Anyone who doesn't know about him hasn't been paying much attention. I just don't buy that there's some great effort to hide relevant facts about Obama.

669 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:43:41am

re: #667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What the hell? Are you Brave Sir Robin?

Wasn't throwing accusations. I was just sayin'...

OK. No offense meant, no offense taken.

670 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:44:30am

re: #668 JustMyView

But again, Jeremiah Wright was all over the national media for days, maybe even weeks. Anyone who doesn't know about him hasn't been paying much attention. I just don't buy that there's some great effort to hide relevant facts about Obama.


My question was: Are you OK that the MSM is using the power of their voice to influence rather than inform?

671 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:44:57am

re: #659 Sharmuta

WTF?

Karzai asks Saudi Arabia for help in peace talks

Uh.... President Karzai? You're not arabs, so they don't care.

No surprise. Afghanistan is islamic.

I don't know what the heck Bush has been doing setting up "democracies" on our dime with the lives of our military that fly in the very face of everything we believe by having religious sharia law as the basis of government. One of the reasons I don't much approve of Bush, truth be told.

Yes we CAN dictate. MacArthur sure as heck did.

672 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:45:45am

re: #647 galloping granny

I'm more worried about the idiots doing something stupid down Venezuela way. And waiting for the MSM to get off its arse and report the fact that the dismissal of the American Ambassador by Venezuela was just one step shy of an outright declaration of war.

My theory: international instability creates more instability. Once things start to blow they will blow all over the place.
No global conspiracy, just that North Korea, Venezuela, Putin, et al will believe that " I want to get mine while I can."

673 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:46:53am

re: #665 galloping granny


BTW, did I hear somewhere that Paulson is a democrat?

Hank Paulson's DNA

I got hammered yesterday by someone for blaming this sorry bill on Democrats. Said I was doing "mental gymnastics." Seems pretty clear to me though.

674 JustMyView  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:47:01am

re: #670 reine.de.tout

My question was: Are you OK that the MSM is using the power of their voice to influence rather than inform?

I wouldn't be OK w/ it if I thought it were true, which I don't. You have to present some evidence to support your claim. The fact that you believe it doesn't make it so. In general, libs think the MSM is controlled by conservatives, and conservatives think it is controlled by libs. Both can't be right.

Have to leave now, but I'll check back.

675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:49:04am

re: #668 JustMyView

My problem with the coverage of " The One" is that many of his real problems just don't make sensational news copy. I'm as guilty of the next guy of jumping on Wright. Hell, didn't even have to read much to know I didn't like that.

His Ayers association is enough for me. You and others may choose to ignore it, I just can not embrace a man who embraces unrepentant terrorists.

And he's socialist.

676 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:51:14am

re: #664 JustMyView

If you check back, I think you'll see that I've provided credible links for any claims I've made.

Checking out now, folks. Back later.

/Frank Marshall Davis, young Obama's communist mentor, start there, maybe you and your hero can share a heater out back

677 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:51:20am

re: #668 JustMyView

I just don't buy that there's some great effort to hide relevant facts about Obama.

Biden's gaffes, vs. Palin's gaffes.
Obama's radical associations with Bill Ayers? Nada.
Coverage of their abysmal charitable donations to charities? Nada.
No he's not a Muslim-but coverage of his slip saying "McCain hasn't mentioned my Muslim faith?" Nada.
"Our troops have been air raiding villages and killing civilians" Nada.
Seen any MSM clips of his Inhilator-Breathalyzer-Inhaler meltdown. Nope.

Heard about McCain's affair with a lobbyist that someone heard from someone who thought they heard someone mention? Front page NYT!

678 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:51:25am

re: #653 Sharmuta

Good luck with that- JMV's drunk the kool-aid.

Sometimes it's worthwhile, just to present a different view. ;-)

679 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:53:28am

re: #673 NC State of Mind

Hank Paulson's DNA

I got hammered yesterday by someone for blaming this sorry bill on Democrats. Said I was doing "mental gymnastics." Seems pretty clear to me though.

And he is a former CEO of Goldman-Sachs?

I'm sorry - that fact alone makes this whole "crisis" and sky is falling "bailout" stink to high heaven of rotting fish. You can almost see the dripping maggots coming off this one.

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:55:04am

re: #653 Sharmuta

Good luck with that- JMV's drunk the kool-aid.

However, in defense of JMV. He/she is at least polite (IMHO).

681 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:56:48am

Morning all!

Just checking, are we still screwed?

682 smokefire  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:58:02am

Good morning Lizards. Not only is it Rosh Hashana, it is the 20th wedding anniversary . for Smokefire/Vagabondtrader.

683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:58:11am

re: #681 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

And out of lubricant.

684 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:58:19am

McCain is going to be on Fox shortly. As is the Governor of Missouri talking about the "Truth Squad."

/Popcorn

685 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:58:49am

re: #682 smokefire

Good morning Lizards. Not only is it Rosh Hashana, it is the 20th wedding anniversary . for Smokefire/Vagabondtrader.

Happy anniversary and blessings for the new year.

686 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:58:54am

re: #677 NC State of Mind

Biden's gaffes, vs. Palin's gaffes

THERE ARE NO MSM BIDEN GAFFES, WTF ARE YOU THINKING?

/Sarah needs to much better than the Couric interview

687 samhein  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 4:59:04am

re: #60 hack

@ #49

not yet. check in around noon.

but seriously, america will survive. all this panic on wall street doesn't impress me. things will work out, with or without congress.

That the idiots didn't pass anything doesn't piss me off as much as the fact that, they KNEW they would be causing some further, if temporary, panics, but they STILL had the balls to take a 2 day vacation! THAT to me is what is so totally unacceptable.

688 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:00:46am

re: #687 samhein

That the idiots didn't pass anything doesn't piss me off as much as the fact that, they KNEW they would be causing some further, if temporary, panics, but they STILL had the balls to take a 2 day vacation! THAT to me is what is so totally unacceptable.

Last Thursday they were going to simply go on their planned month-long vacation until after the election and leave the whole mess in the lap of Treasury. Pelosi's words.

689 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:01:02am

re: #668 JustMyView

But again, Jeremiah Wright was all over the national media for days, maybe even weeks. Anyone who doesn't know about him hasn't been paying much attention. I just don't buy that there's some great effort to hide relevant facts about Obama.

They don't need to hide them- the msm isn't even asking about them.

690 GreenBear  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:01:41am

re: #643 galloping granny

High oil prices (and they are still more than double what they were a mere two years ago) make authoritarian regimes think they have the upper hand on the world stage and that they can just dictate their wants or shut off the pumps.

They forget that it is even easier to shut off the groceries - and that they don't grow any of those.

That's the real key here: food.

I worked in the agriculture field for years and the problem with US farmers is they are independent, entrepreneurs (also one of their strong points). If not for the fact that they like competing with their neighbor for bragging rights and enjoy their place in supplying food for the world, they would have formed an OPEC-like cartel long ago that would stabilize prices and keep them in a steady income.

But, since the creed of the American Farmer is based on hard work and fair dealing, they won't even consider using the power they have that far outweighs OPEC's. Everybody has to eat. The United States is the breadbasket to the world: corn, soybeans, wheat, rice, meat, etc. And we are the most efficient at the job; compare our output per acre to any country in the world.

Farmers don't want to "blackmail" the people of the world who need to eat, but it may come to that to bring home the message that they need us to be free, so they can be free to eat.

691 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:02:21am

Here's a better question, JMV. Why are you a democrat?

692 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And out of lubricant.

Keeps getting better and better.

693 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:06:33am

re: #690 GreenBear

That's the real key here: food.

I worked in the agriculture field for years and the problem with US farmers is they are independent, entrepreneurs (also one of their strong points). If not for the fact that they like competing with their neighbor for bragging rights and enjoy their place in supplying food for the world, they would have formed an OPEC-like cartel long ago that would stabilize prices and keep them in a steady income.

But, since the creed of the American Farmer is based on hard work and fair dealing, they won't even consider using the power they have that far outweighs OPEC's. Everybody has to eat. The United States is the breadbasket to the world: corn, soybeans, wheat, rice, meat, etc. And we are the most efficient at the job; compare our output per acre to any country in the world.

Farmers don't want to "blackmail" the people of the world who need to eat, but it may come to that to bring home the message that they need us to be free, so they can be free to eat.

The bottom line is that American farmers cannot continue to feed the world if the price of oil remains high. There was a huge flap last summer because the price of oil shoved the cost of fertilizer SO high that it was not cost effective for many farmers to even plant their fields.

I don't think it is a matter or wanting to be nice or fair anymore. It is a matter of if they think they are going to rob us blind, they will have to adjust themselves to eating sand because there will be no groceries.

694 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:07:13am

re: #674 JustMyView

I wouldn't be OK w/ it if I thought it were true, which I don't. You have to present some evidence to support your claim. The fact that you believe it doesn't make it so. In general, libs think the MSM is controlled by conservatives, and conservatives think it is controlled by libs. Both can't be right.

Have to leave now, but I'll check back.

[Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

[Link: www.mrc.org...]

[Link: newsroom.ucla.edu...]

695 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:08:11am

re: #681 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Indubitably and irrefutably.

696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:09:57am
697 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:10:43am

Of all the end of the world scenarios one could come up with...

...why did it have to be the "March of the Grinning Liberal Morons"?

698 Neo_  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:11:04am

This morning we hear that Obama wants to raise the FDIC level from $100,000 to $250,000 to "restore confidence". One easy question ..

exactly how many of those "middle class Americans" that have been living from paycheck to paycheck have $100,000 in their bank accounts, let along $250,000 ?

I know I don't. All it does is create a safe alternate to the mattress for those who bail out of the market. Some confidence building measure.

699 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:11:36am

re: #693 galloping granny

The bottom line is that American farmers cannot continue to feed the world if the price of oil remains high. There was a huge flap last summer because the price of oil shoved the cost of fertilizer SO high that it was not cost effective for many farmers to even plant their fields.

I don't think it is a matter or wanting to be nice or fair anymore. It is a matter of if they think they are going to rob us blind, they will have to adjust themselves to eating sand because there will be no groceries.

That has been my thinking for a while now. Unfortunately, I saw a segment, or maybe even documentary a few weeks back about how the Saudis, foreseeing this situation, have actually begun to have a moderately sizable wheat production right there in the desert. I couldn't find a link on a quick search just now, but it was very depressing to seem them making "our commodities" when we steadfastly refuse to compete with theres.

700 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:11:49am

re: #698 Neo_

This morning we hear that Obama wants to raise the FDIC level from $100,000 to $250,000 to "restore confidence". One easy question ..

exactly how many of those "middle class Americans" that have been living from paycheck to paycheck have $100,000 in their bank accounts, let along $250,000 ?

I know I don't. All it does is create a safe alternate to the mattress for those who bail out of the market. Some confidence building measure.

Exactly! This does nothing for much of anyone except the wealthy.

701 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:13:19am

re: #699 NC State of Mind

That has been my thinking for a while now. Unfortunately, I saw a segment, or maybe even documentary a few weeks back about how the Saudis, foreseeing this situation, have actually begun to have a moderately sizable wheat production right there in the desert. I couldn't find a link on a quick search just now, but it was very depressing to seem them making "our commodities" when we steadfastly refuse to compete with theres.

I've heard that lots of the mideast countries recognize their vulnerability and are trying desperately to buy farmland elsewhere in the world.

702 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:13:45am

re: #674 JustMyView

I wouldn't be OK w/ it if I thought it were true, which I don't. You have to present some evidence to support your claim. The fact that you believe it doesn't make it so. In general, libs think the MSM is controlled by conservatives, and conservatives think it is controlled by libs. Both can't be right.

Have to leave now, but I'll check back.

From the zogby poll:

Nearly two-thirds of those online respondents who detected bias in the media (64%) said the media leans left, while slightly more than a quarter of respondents (28%) said they see a conservative bias.
.
.
.
While 97% of Republicans surveyed said the media are liberal, two-thirds of political independents feel the same, but fewer than one in four independents (23%) said they saw a conservative bias.

But you are well aware of the media's bias. Nobody who has been paying attention and has any level of intelligence could miss it.

Sharm was right, you ARE disingenuous.

703 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:14:58am

re: #696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It throws out it's point and runs away

Yes.
And when it returns, it will demand something more.
I provided the links it demanded.
Will it provide links refuting media bias, do you think?

704 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:16:44am

re: #703 reine.de.tout

Yes.
And when it returns, it will demand something more.
I provided the links it demanded.
Will it provide links refuting media bias, do you think?

They always disappear "just in time".

Gotta go to work. See if I have a job.

705 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:17:47am

re: #704 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They always disappear "just in time".

Gotta go to work. See if I have a job.

good luck

706 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:18:07am

#692 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Keeps getting better and better.

/Walk Away

707 seekeroftruth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:18:16am

Fox talking with Gov Blunt about Missouri & Obama

708 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:19:16am

re: #707 seekeroftruth

Fox talking with Gov Blunt about Missouri & Obama

Yup - did you hear about the older woman who thought if she said anything she would go to jail? Wow.

709 Sevoguy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:19:28am

Agreeing with Michael Moore............a first for me:

The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore

Phone, Fax or Write your representatives to stop this bailout. Investigate to find the root-cause................probably wall street greed and then arrest and prosecute the crooks involved.

SAY NO TO A BAILOUT PLAN.

710 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:20:33am

re: #706 Killian Bundy

They don't make 'em like that anymore.

711 seekeroftruth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:20:48am

re: #708 galloping granny

Yup - did you hear about the older woman who thought if she said anything she would go to jail? Wow.

Wow is right. I'm glad to see Fox exposing this.

712 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:22:50am

re: #709 Sevoguy

Agreeing with Michael Moore............a first for me:

The Rich Are Staging a Coup This Morning ...a message from Michael Moore

Phone, Fax or Write your representatives to stop this bailout. Investigate to find the root-cause................probably wall street greed and then arrest and prosecute the crooks involved.

SAY NO TO A BAILOUT PLAN.

A first for a whole lot of us! I am shocked. Speechless.

713 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:24:30am

re: #712 galloping granny

A first for a whole lot of us! I am shocked. Speechless.

Though once you get beyond the headline I disagree with everything else Michael Moore says.

714 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:26:34am

re: #709 Sevoguy

It was painful just getting through the first paragraph of that rant. Those who make it all the way to the end are rewarded with this:

P.P.S. From talking to people I know in DC, they say the reason so many Dems are behind this is because Wall Street this weekend put a gun to their heads and said either turn over the $700 billion or the first thing we'll start blowing up are the pension funds and 401(k)s of your middle class constituents. The Dems are scared they may make good on their threat.

I can't help but wonder what kind of people Michael Moore knows in DC, and if they ever see black helicopters.

715 brett  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:27:11am

I shared this link last night, but I think it was buried in a thread no one was reading any more. I like it -- it lays out why the Jeremiah Wright issue is a game-ender. I don't know who put up these youtube clips, but they're on the money. Don't you love Obama's phony southern-preacher accent? Listen to the end of that one and hear him give a big "shout-out" to his preacher, the "Dr." Jeremiah Wright. Remember, he's saying this *six* years after the man blamed the U.S. for 9/11.
[Link: www.datazap.net...]

Also, did you read that Obama didn't call *any* House members? ([Link: www.nytimes.com...] Not only can he not reach across the aisle, he can't even reach out of the Senate. Electing him would be one of the biggest mistakes this country has even made.

716 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:27am

Lose-Lose

If the bailout passes, we go down the socialism road even faster. Public debt skyrockets, class warfare increases.

If it fails, the economy self-destructs and the population is panicked into accepting change (thank you, Saul Alinsky, bastard).

Either way, the country is screwed, the America we love is changed forever (either fast or faster), with Barry at the helm.

This is very bad.

717 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:30:08am

re: #710 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They don't make 'em like that anymore.

Takes a bit of a highbrow, but there's a video of at least two of the fastest living guitarists on the planet.

/Mediterranean Sundance

718 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:30:15am

re: #712 galloping granny

A first for a whole lot of us! I am shocked. Speechless.


This is disturbing, I find myself agreeing with Micael Moore.

719 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:31:16am

re: #715 brett

I shared this link last night, but I think it was buried in a thread no one was reading any more. I like it -- it lays out why the Jeremiah Wright issue is a game-ender. I don't know who put up these youtube clips, but they're on the money. Don't you love Obama's phony southern-preacher accent? Listen to the end of that one and hear him give a big "shout-out" to his preacher, the "Dr." Jeremiah Wright. Remember, he's saying this *six* years after the man blamed the U.S. for 9/11.
[Link: www.datazap.net...]

Also, did you read that Obama didn't call *any* House members? ([Link: www.nytimes.com...] Not only can he not reach across the aisle, he can't even reach out of the Senate. Electing him would be one of the biggest mistakes this country has even made.

I don't think the Dems ever intended this to pass. Nancy Pelosi could have passed this with Dems to spare without a single Republican vote, And come to find out Paulson appointed almost all Dems to high Treasury positions. Paulson is a former CEO of Goldman-Sachs. The whole thing stinks like rotten fish to me.

720 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:32:48am

re: #716 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Seems now the only opprutunity for a win-win would be for McCain to come charging in with a plan of his own that propels him into the white house. A guy can dream, right?

A few weeks back Dick Morris said McCain should have announced his cabinet picks. Anyone else think if he had announced Romney as Secretary of Treasury, McCain would not have suffered in the polls as he has? I'm a huge Palin supporter, but Romney would own this issue.

721 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:32:51am
722 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:33:45am

re: #718 opnion

This is disturbing, I find myself agreeing with Micael Moore.

Amazingly he's not that bad when he's more "Roger and Me" and less "Fahrenheit 911."

723 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:34:43am

re: #722 NC State of Mind

Amazingly he's not that bad when he's more "Roger and Me" and less "Fahrenheit 911."


That's true, he has his moments

724 daughter of patriots  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:35:19am

For those who walk by faith, not by sight, here's some words to stand on this week:

And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus. - Phil. 4:19

725 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:35:44am
726 Spirit93  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:36:41am

re: #698 Neo_

This morning we hear that Obama wants to raise the FDIC level from $100,000 to $250,000 to "restore confidence". One easy question ..

exactly how many of those "middle class Americans" that have been living from paycheck to paycheck have $100,000 in their bank accounts, let along $250,000 ?

I know I don't. All it does is create a safe alternate to the mattress for those who bail out of the market. Some confidence building measure.

I actually agree with the idea of increasing it to $250k. It's been $100k since 1980. Using the CPI calculator, that would be equivalent to $266k now.

Of course, if McCain had suggested it, he would have been soundly criticized as the candidate of the rich.

727 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:37:11am

re: #718 opnion

This is disturbing, I find myself agreeing with Micael Moore.

I'm in a "fake but accurate" kind of agreement with him. He loses me when he goes into hysterics over universal health coverage and executive salary controls.

728 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:37:23am

re: #725 taxfreekiller

Obama

Goes to Harvard, sits in class, tells us he remembers all the things he learned there.

Goes to Rev. Wrights church, tells us he does not even know what the
Rev. said and does not remember a message from the church.

How is that?


Ours is not to question a lightworker.

729 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:37:49am

re: #725 taxfreekiller

Obama

Goes to Harvard, sits in class, tells us he remembers all the things he learned there.

Goes to Rev. Wrights church, tells us he does not even know what the
Rev. said and does not remember a message from the church.

How is that?

If you listened to those Bad Company videos on Youtube that got posted last night, there is an interview there with the guy who wrote the recommendation letter to Harvard at the request of Mansour. He clearly states in that interview that Obama had already been chosen for admission and the presidency of the Harvard Law Review when he wrote the recommendation.

730 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:38:34am

re: #726 Spirit93

I actually agree with the idea of increasing it to $250k. It's been $100k since 1980. Using the CPI calculator, that would be equivalent to $266k now.

Of course, if McCain had suggested it, he would have been soundly criticized as the candidate of the rich.

He actually did suggest it. First.

731 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:25am

Re: Bailout

Hmmmm... looks like Asian and European markets are coping pretty well so far today. I'd even hazard a guess that US markets will do ok today.

I wonder why? After all, everything I've been told by scare mongering politicians and MSM types for the past 2 weeks is that the world is coming to an end. Hmmmm.

Say no to the bailout.

732 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:27am

Morning All,
Testing my new avatar that Killian Bundy fixed for me. Thanks KB.

733 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:42am

re: #720 NC State of Mind

I still suffer from the Romney makes me think "used car salesman" feel, but in principle I agree... lay out some big plans... this is what we have to do, my friends...

Lessee... flat tax, balanced budget amendment, "Use our own Resources" Energy Plan...

Big fixes, get the country off the socialism track and fix the damn thing.

/Never happen. The required leadership isn't there. That leaves two choices: descent into the night with a whimper or a revolution... the latter throws the baby out with the bath water.

We're screwed.

I'll be sitting here bitterly clinging until the goons show up to disarm me.

They will regret getting that assignment.

734 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:42:14am

Good morning Lizards... Happy New Year to all Lizards celebrating Rosh Hashana today...

So, looking back at what happened yesterday and how it is being handled in the press, I still cannot foresee any way that John McCain can get the shackles of being 'Republican' off him... This is too much for a public that doesn't really understand it... I have a feeling yesterday's diatribe from San Fran Nan was intended to make the GOP look 'responsible' for the mess and get Obama into the White House. I fear she will have succeeded...

In other news and very curious news... The deli on my corner, a 24 hour joint that has never been closed... Is closed today... The owners, Yemeni Arabs... Just sayin'

735 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:42:15am

re: #712 galloping granny

Ditto. I did not imagine the day I would agree with MM.

Strange days indeed.

736 wannabuyaduck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:44:30am

re: #638 Killian Bundy

I didn't see JMV answering this question:

I can name at leas three socialists, one communist, and two terrorists that have been close mentors to Obama.

/and you're okay with that?

but in view of his/her statement that "On background, I agree w/ you that an Obama presidency seems implausible, but not so much on issues or character," maybe I can take a guess at it.

737 warnergt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:45:42am

This is the second biggest thread I've ever seen.

738 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:45:44am
739 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:45:49am

So now Fox is saying that the Senate can pass the bailout bill first. Are they completely unaware that money matters have to originate in the House?

Bush just said he wanted to assure "our citizens and citizens around the world." WTF?

740 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:46am

re: #736 wannabuyaduck

I didn't see JMV answering this question:

but in view of his/her statement that "On background, I agree w/ you that an Obama presidency seems implausible, but not so much on issues or character," maybe I can take a guess at it.

Clearly he is a ringer.

741 capitalist piglet  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:47:01am

re: #668 JustMyView

But again, Jeremiah Wright was all over the national media for days, maybe even weeks. Anyone who doesn't know about him hasn't been paying much attention. I just don't buy that there's some great effort to hide relevant facts about Obama.

Do you actually read this blog, or are you just...I don't know, looking for cages to rattle? There is a large amount of information on Obama that has gone unreported in the national media, and it is chilling.

I never hear liberals refute it - only laugh at it.

742 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:47:36am

re: #734 tfc3rid


In other news and very curious news... The deli on my corner, a 24 hour joint that has never been closed... Is closed today... The owners, Yemeni Arabs... Just sayin'

Is today Eid?

743 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:19am

re: #742 galloping granny

Is today Eid?

I believe it is Thursday... But it never matters as they are never closed

744 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:23am

re: #742 galloping granny

Is today Eid?


Yup. The Internet says that Eid is scheduled for October 1 this year, depending on visibility of the moon. This is September 30. Of course here in VT if they are waiting for the moon nothing will happen before November.

745 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:38am

re: #739 galloping granny
He was saying if America has a meltdown this will affect the world economy.

746 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:51:17am

re: #743 tfc3rid

I believe it is Thursday... But it never matters as they are never closed

Now that is curious. Any possibility that somebody might have threatened them to close for eid?

747 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:51:44am

re: #739 galloping granny

So now Fox is saying that the Senate can pass the bailout bill first. Are they completely unaware that money matters have to originate in the House?

Bush just said he wanted to assure "our citizens and citizens around the world." WTF?

As this bill is an end run around the Constitution, it doesn't matter...

748 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:51:50am

re: #745 newsjunkie_ky

He was saying if America has a meltdown this will affect the world economy.

Even so - "citizens around the world" - doesn't fly.

749 GreenBear  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:51:51am

re: #713 galloping granny

Though once you get beyond the headline I disagree with everything else Michael Moore says.

Yeah, me too.

Funny how "Bush and his cronies" must include all those Dems who voted for the bailout.

I'm sure Nancy Pelosi loves to be included as one of W's inside buds...

...as she and the rest of the House share some apples and honey, sound the Shofar, etc.

750 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:19am

re: #746 galloping granny

Now that is curious. Any possibility that somebody might have threatened them to close for eid?

Threatened them? Where I live? Doubtful... They have a lot of friends nearby...

751 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:23am

re: #747 tfc3rid

As this bill is an end run around the Constitution, it doesn't matter...

That is true.

752 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:49am

re: #742 galloping granny

Is today Eid?

Is the Empire State building green today?
ugh. Disgusting.

753 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:53:06am

Good morning all y'all - from a coolish (64 degrees, going up to 83 degrees, with heavy rain and T-Storms expected) and slightly raining Charlotte.
To all my Jewish friends out there, may you all enjoy a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!

754 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:53:53am

Good morning all.
Came straight to the bottom.
What are we talking about?

755 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:54:31am

re: #753 realwest

Good morning!

756 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:55:14am

re: #752 NC State of Mind

Is the Empire State building green today?
ugh. Disgusting.

The islamic symbol that they now own the United States of America.

In other news, in Ohio they are having a week of one stop shopping where you can register and get an absentee ballot at the same time - giving Obama a huge advantage. College kids have been camping out waiting to get ballots.

If you live in Ohio or can get there to help, the Republicans need to get a move on.

757 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:55:23am

re: #754 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning all.
Came straight to the bottom.
What are we talking about?

Some are agreeing with Mickey Moore and are troubled by it.

I'm digging out of a depressed hole regarding what I think is going to happen to all of us.

758 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:55:51am

Since we appear to be at a key juncture and point of extreme vulnerability it's probably important to remember not only that we are a nation at war but that one the main points of focus in Michael McConnell's(our DNI) testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee on the Annual Threat Assessment in February(pdf warning) was:

Concerns about the financial capabilities of Russia, China, and OPEC countries and the potential use of their market access to exert financial leverage to achieve political ends.
759 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:56:44am

Did I miss Gov Blunt on FOX about Missouri truth squads?

Had McCain been on yet?

760 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:03am

re: #757 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some are agreeing with Mickey Moore and are troubled by it.

I'm digging out of a depressed hole regarding what I think is going to happen to all of us.

(2) hang tough

(1) WTF has Michael Moore said that ANYONE here might agree with?

761 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:06am

re: #756 galloping granny

The islamic symbol that they now own the United States of America.

In other news, in Ohio they are having a week of one stop shopping where you can register and get an absentee ballot at the same time - giving Obama a huge advantage. College kids have been camping out waiting to get ballots.

If you live in Ohio or can get there to help, the Republicans need to get a move on.

Not sure if it will be gree, most likely though...

Absentee ballots... Ugh... I have applied here in NY for mine, as I will be in Mexico on election day... And yes, I plan on staying if The One wins, as I think he will now...

762 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:30am

re: #755 pre-Boomer Marine brat good morning back atcha! How are you doing today?

763 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:42am

Stanley Kurtz on Fox News live stream right now. Talking about ACORN as the cornerstone of the current economic crisis.

764 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:45am

re: #759 Typicalwhitey

Did I miss Gov Blunt on FOX about Missouri truth squads?

Had McCain been on yet?

Yes on Mac... Stanley Kutz on now. I might have missed Blunt.

765 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:11am

re: #759 Typicalwhitey

Did I miss Gov Blunt on FOX about Missouri truth squads?

Had McCain been on yet?

Yes and yes.

766 GreenBear  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:15am

re: #739 galloping granny

So now Fox is saying that the Senate can pass the bailout bill first. Are they completely unaware that money matters have to originate in the House?

Bush just said he wanted to assure "our citizens and citizens around the world." WTF?

They got that from the interview with Kerry last night with O'Reilly, he said the Senate would try to pass it first to put pressure on the House; me screaming at the moron that appropriation bill have to start in the House.

Then they got into a shouting match with Bill asking Kerry over and over, how can it be the Republican's fault if 93 Dems voted against it too? Kerry kept saying it was so supposed to be a 50-50 thing, meaning the Republicans were supposed to take the bait and fall into their trap but didn't so he's p*ssed...

767 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:34am

re: #739 galloping granny



Bush just said he wanted to assure "our citizens and citizens around the world." WTF?

Back in the 2004 debates GWB was still chastising Kerry's "Global Test".

Now he's just become one of them. Kerry, Bush, Obama, whats the difference? I don't know but I do know that elitist condescension is the similarity.

768 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:36am

re: #758 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Since we appear to be at a key juncture and point of extreme vulnerability it's probably important to remember not only that we are a nation at war but that one the main points of focus in Michael McConnell's(our DNI) testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee on the Annual Threat Assessment in February(pdf warning) was:

I had said yesterday that Al Qaeda has accomplished its mission to seriously harm the US economy... Of course, it has taken the assitance of Russia, Iran, Venezuela, China, George Soros and stupid Americans who felt it was their right to live above their means...

769 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:42am

re: #747 tfc3rid

As this bill is an end run around the Constitution, it doesn't matter...

Bush just said he wanted to assure "our citizens and citizens around the world." WTF?
ha.


You citizens on the borders of Pakistan had best calm down,
or you will be arrested and punished in Americas courts.

770 capitalist piglet  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:25am

Stanley Kurtz on FNC talking about ACORN/Obama.

771 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:29am

BBIAM!

772 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:37am

re: #742 galloping granny

Is today Eid?

is eid when moslems around the world fall upon animals and slit their throats to celebrate allah?

773 GreenBear  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:00am

re: #754 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning all.
Came straight to the bottom.
What are we talking about?

Well, we were talking about you.

But now we have to stop. It's only polite.

/

774 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:08am

re: #761 tfc3rid

Not sure if it will be gree, most likely though...

Absentee ballots... Ugh... I have applied here in NY for mine, as I will be in Mexico on election day... And yes, I plan on staying if The One wins, as I think he will now...

These aren't your ordinary run of the mill absentee ballots. You can walk up to this early polling place, register on the spot and get the absentee ballot on the spot at the same time. Going to make for a whole lot of fraud.

775 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:32am

re: #760 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(2) hang tough

(1) WTF has Michael Moore said that ANYONE here might agree with?

Doing well, really, what troubles me is the _intentional_ infliction of all this on us by a**holes who hate our capitalistic system and want to destroy it for their own benefit.

Regarding Mickey, that's _why_ lizards are troubled about it. :-)

776 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:33am

re: #766 GreenBear

They got that from the interview with Kerry last night with O'Reilly, he said the Senate would try to pass it first to put pressure on the House; me screaming at the moron that appropriation bill have to start in the House.

Then they got into a shouting match with Bill asking Kerry over and over, how can it be the Republican's fault if 93 Dems voted against it too? Kerry kept saying it was so supposed to be a 50-50 thing, meaning the Republicans were supposed to take the bait and fall into their trap but didn't so he's p*ssed...

I heard Congresmman Peter King on with John Gambling here in NY this morning and he said it is petty that the GOP refuses to sign on to this bill, yada yada yada...

The slide to socialism... As I also said yesterday Pelosi and the Dems will usher in socialism with this bill and Obama is the means to deliver the final blow...

777 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:41am

Fox just announced that DOW futures are up 200 points with the markets not open yet.

778 Killian Bundy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:54am

re: #732 newsjunkie_ky

Your beloved dog has passed.

I'll dedicate two songs, Angel and Angel Eyes.

/take your pick along with my sincere sympathy for your loss

779 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:01:41am

re: #776 tfc3rid

I heard Congresmman Peter King on with John Gambling here in NY this morning and he said it is petty that the GOP refuses to sign on to this bill, yada yada yada...

The slide to socialism... As I also said yesterday Pelosi and the Dems will usher in socialism with this bill and Obama is the means to deliver the final blow...

One of the Republicans stood up in the House yesterday and bluntly refused to vote for it because it meant socialism.

780 UFO TOFU  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:09am

Sorry if this has already been posted:

Muslim sues Tesco over beer.
Now is probably not the ideal time to become unemployed.

Mmm, beer.

781 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:20am

re: #774 galloping granny

These aren't your ordinary run of the mill absentee ballots. You can walk up to this early polling place, register on the spot and get the absentee ballot on the spot at the same time. Going to make for a whole lot of fraud.

Talk about voting early and often.

782 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:22am

re: #774 galloping granny

These aren't your ordinary run of the mill absentee ballots. You can walk up to this early polling place, register on the spot and get the absentee ballot on the spot at the same time. Going to make for a whole lot of fraud.

Dems and voter fraud? Go figure... They are going to stop at nothing to win this election... They have to get payback for the lat 8 years and undo everythign that has been done... And then the 60 Million 'idiots' who voted for George Bush will get theirs...

The Dems are going to destroy us even more than we are destorying ourselves...

783 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:07am

BARNEY FRANK SUCKS!

784 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:18am

re: #777 galloping granny

Fox just announced that DOW futures are up 200 points with the markets not open yet.

But but but... I thought not passing that $$$ bailout was going to bring the world to an end...

785 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:31am

re: #772 nyc redneck

is eid when moslems around the world fall upon animals and slit their throats to celebrate allah?

It is the feast that means the end of Ramadan. Bush has instituted the policy of throwing an Eid dinner at the White House every year. Note he is not having a Rosh Hashanah dinner today.

786 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:08am

re: #762 realwest

good morning back atcha! How are you doing today?

Doin' fine.
Skimming a Michael Moore post, linked to upstairs:

The problem is, nobody truly knows what this "collapse" is all about. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed

Excuse me, Michael.
Engaged brain before opening mouth.
Two totally different subjects there.

/why should I even bother to point it out?

787 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:14am

re: #784 rednaxela

But but but... I thought not passing that $$$ bailout was going to bring the world to an end...

And the White House is just going on and on and on that the banking system has collapsed yada yada yada.

788 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:15am

re: #781 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Talk about voting early and often.

I am not a proponent of early voting. It's why we have election day... There should only be 1 day to vote, that is it... If you can't make it, get an absentee ballot.

789 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:24am

re: #779 galloping granny

One of the Republicans stood up in the House yesterday and bluntly refused to vote for it because it meant socialism.

That gives me some hope. Use their own Saul Alinsky tactics against them... force them to actually move to destroy the Constitution to get their way.

Force them into the open.

No matter how hard things are, Americans cannot stand people who want to destroy the Constitution.

790 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:37am

re: #721 taxfreekiller

Nancy Pelosi is up early, smoldering, more lies needed, the msm failed to scare the pants off "We the People", whats a tyrant to do?

Did they fail? I'm normally very optimistic, but it seems we've lost the narrative and might lose the election because of it.

791 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:05:35am

re: #787 galloping granny

And the White House is just going on and on and on that the banking system has collapsed yada yada yada.

Right... You know why?

They supported people taking out bad loansthat they could not afford to repay... Not my problem... I don't spend on credit. I don't have any more debt and I save my $$...

792 loppyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:12am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Sorry if this is a duplication - but it's too important not to get out there and I am multi-tasking here.

Rove on John Gibson's radio show yesterday.

Pelosi gave 16 dem members in vulnerable districts to vote no.

Pelosi gave 5 committee chairs permission to vote no:

John Conyers - chair of the judiciary committee
Colin Peterson - chair of agriculture
Bob Filner - chair of veteran's affairs
Benny Thompson - chair of homeland security
Gene Green - chair of ethics

Half of the democrats from her HOME STATE of CA voted no.

So she's planning on letting them vote NO for political cover while publicly bragging that she is going to use a YES vote by Republicans against them in the upcoming election?

A big giant FUCK YOU to you, Madame Speaker.

You couldn't lead your party out of a paper bag.

793 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:14am

re: #790 Spenser (with an S)

Did they fail? I'm normally very optimistic, but it seems we've lost the narrative and might lose the election because of it.

I think it's already lost...

794 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:45am

re: #775 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Doing well, really, what troubles me is the _intentional_ infliction of all this on us by a**holes who hate our capitalistic system and want to destroy it for their own benefit.

Regarding Mickey, that's _why_ lizards are troubled about it. :-)

"Intentional infliction" ... you must be referring to Melanie's "Subversives for Obama" column linked to late yesterday. I agree, but at least the news is getting out. Details of the Alinsky Machine must be exposed. Truth is the best weapon.

795 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:51am

re: #788 tfc3rid

I am not a proponent of early voting. It's why we have election day... There should only be 1 day to vote, that is it... If you can't make it, get an absentee ballot.

My daughter got two 2 absentee ballots in the mail. The demorats have been pushing this.

We filled them out and voted for McCain.

796 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:29am

re: #773 GreenBear

Well, we were talking about you.

THAT's why my ears were burning.

797 DeafDog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:15am

re: #787 galloping granny

And the White House is just going on and on and on that the banking system has collapsed yada yada yada.

Yesterday, I got one of those mailers for instant loans from Citibank for an instant $5k loan.... If the banking system has collapsed, the word has not actually filtered down to the banks.....yet.

We'll see what tomorrow brings.

798 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:34am
Pelosi gave 16 dem members in vulnerable districts to vote no.

Pelosi gave 5 committee chairs permission to vote no:

John Conyers - chair of the judiciary committee
Colin Peterson - chair of agriculture
Bob Filner - chair of veteran's affairs
Benny Thompson - chair of homeland security
Gene Green - chair of ethics

I hope it comes back and bites her in that skinny ass.

799 nyc redneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:41am

re: #785 galloping granny

It is the feast that means the end of Ramadan. Bush has instituted the policy of throwing an Eid dinner at the White House every year. Note he is not having a Rosh Hashanah dinner today.

politically correct show boating and coddling.
ugh

800 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:00am

re: #794 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Intentional infliction" ... you must be referring to Melanie's "Subversives for Obama" column linked to late yesterday. I agree, but at least the news is getting out. Details of the Alinsky Machine must be exposed. Truth is the best weapon.

Very much so... brilliant work. I'm afraid too many Americans will not hear the truth (or have the Messiah Blinders on anyway).

801 loppyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:50am

re: #793 tfc3rid

I think it's already lost...

I don't.

If McCain can get out in front of this and highlight Obama's LIE that he was in close contact with his party it will help.

Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure.

For crying out loud HALF OF THE BLACK CAUCUS VOTED NO!

802 GreenBear  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:52am

re: #776 tfc3rid

I heard Congresmman Peter King on with John Gambling here in NY this morning and he said it is petty that the GOP refuses to sign on to this bill, yada yada yada...

The slide to socialism... As I also said yesterday Pelosi and the Dems will usher in socialism with this bill and Obama is the means to deliver the final blow...

Our Congressman, Mike Pence (R-IN) said last week that he was expecting to be on the short end of a 434-1 vote on the bailout. He was much happier this morning. He said he had both Republicans and Democrats with which he had never had much contact coming up and saying they heard his speech and felt the same way. So, despite Barney"s and Nancy's and even John Kerry's assetions to the contrary, this wasn't about "hurt feelings". This was about a horrendous bill that didn't deserve passge.

803 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:47am

re: #797 DeafDog

Yesterday, I got one of those mailers for instant loans from Citibank for an instant $5k loan.... If the banking system has collapsed, the word has not actually filtered down to the banks.....yet.

We'll see what tomorrow brings.

I agree. They really are crying wolf over this. I have to tell you, most of the financial people that I respect - starting with Donald Trump and then continuing down the line - are really against this bailout bill.

And there is NOTHING - including economic meltdown - that makes me willing to nationalize our banking system and then down the road a piece sell off a huge amount of our real estate assets.

804 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:10am

re: #793 tfc3rid

Frankly, I'd rather McCain lost this election than renounce the constitution and encumber generations with debt.

805 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:14am

I just shut that Michael Moore web page.

He's to agree with only if you stop reading after a few sentences.

806 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:32am

re: #792 loppyd

Was Pelosi's strategy to make it a GOP majority that passed the bailout?

807 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:39am

re: #778 Killian Bundy

Your beloved dog has passed.

I'll dedicate two songs, Angel and Angel Eyes.

/take your pick along with my sincere sympathy for your loss


Thanks. It was a real rough night. I think I got a couple hours sleep. The house just feels so empty without Meg here.

808 DeafDog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:51am

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