McCain-Palin 2008!

I want some of what he's been drinking.

I have to keep asking myself. With all the polls showing this to be "in the bag" for Obama why does he need to stoop to gimmicks? It's like all of these pre-loss excuse articles that are coming out. Something is fishy, but I don't know what (I don't know only because Rasmussen has Obama out to a 6 point lead).

A ploy to draw back Hillary voters. It will not happen.

Rumor has it that October 5th is the day. What if Hillary tells him to screw off?

/

The only good thing about such a switcheroo for me is that I trust HRC *slightly* more than I trust Obama-Biden not to ruin the country. Like, .0000001% more.

Nonsense. Ain't never gonna happen. Hillary doesn't want the job & Obama isn't going to offer it to her.

Obama, the would-be chief executive, stepping in to decisively make things right by naming a woman in his place.

Maybe he would name Palin?

/Yeah, right

It would be the end of Obama's hope for change...

That reads like fiction, even this year.

I don't buy it, and the PUMAs are saying they won't go for it either.

I just don't think Hillary is that stupid.

Not gonna happen. The Big Zero hates Hillary as far as I can see. He had his chance to pick her. He did not even vet her.

....and, the only position HRC wants is the top of the ticket.

A man who can and does make decisions.... Barack Hussein Obama!

/yes-yes.... they are all the wrong decisions.... but don't get so picky

re: #5 RTLM

What if Hillary tells him to screw off?

If Hillary has half the smarts attributed to her, she will do exactly that.

Two questions:

1) Is it LEGAL to do that this close to an Election?

2) If done, would that not cause all SORTS of balloting issues? Not just for changing ballots in states where they have already been printed, but for EARLY and absentee voting, which has ALREADY STARTED in many states?

Frankly I think this is just so much fear mongering by the rumor mill. I seriously doubt that this would ever happen, and I think it would end up causing more problems for the Obama campaign than it's worth. No, they are stuck with Biden, gaffes and all.

I can't see this at all. Just last week four of Hillary's biggest supporters openly declared for John McCain and started campaigning for him.

And besides, what is in this gig for Hillary? She has more power as a Senator and isn't chained to whatever disaster Obama would create. Why should she drag his bacon out of the fire?

I don't think Obama would do this, because he knows if Hillary's VP, the Clenis is part of the package. And there can only be one alpha dog.

So - will Barry trot out his Fannie Mae pal to vet Senator Clinton NOW?

So what of the democrat voters who put Biden on Obambi's ticket? What of the ballots that have been printed?

So much for Obama's "decisive judgement".

We still don't know how the debate will go, but with expectations about Sarah's performance being so low, even if she does merely okay it will be a win for her.

I don't put much stock in this rumor (a couple of relatives have emailed it to me), mainly because Obama and Hillary despise each other.

re: #18 Charles

I don't think Obama would do this, because he knows if Hillary's VP, the Clenis is part of the package. And there can only be one alpha dog.

Barry thinks he's an alpha?

I thought Michelle was the alpha. :D

"In any other election cycle..."

He does have a point there. It's pretty damned surreal already.

Other than that, I'm with Charles.

re: #16 wearyman

Two questions:

1) Is it LEGAL to do that this close to an Election?

2) If done, would that not cause all SORTS of balloting issues? Not just for changing ballots in states where they have already been printed, but for EARLY and absentee voting, which has ALREADY STARTED in many states?

Frankly I think this is just so much fear mongering by the rumor mill. I seriously doubt that this would ever happen, and I think it would end up causing more problems for the Obama campaign than it's worth. No, they are stuck with Biden, gaffes and all.

No, I don't think it is. The VP candidates have to be nominated by the conventions for starters. And there is a certain time frame for registering with the various states. People have already started voting. You cannot simply tranfer votes for Biden to someone else - that would disenfranchise the voters.

re: #18 Charles

I don't think Obama would do this, because he knows if Hillary's VP, the Clenis is part of the package. And there can only be one alpha dog.

And it definitely wouldn't be Obama, because he's a wimpy metrosexual.

re: #5 RTLM

What if Hillary tells him to screw off?

O'bama offers her the ticket spot.
She says "Probably".
Biden goes South, for "medical reasons".
Hillary changes her mind and says "No".
O'bama has no VP.

/fantasy

I'm not sure why this rumor persists, especially now that he's leading in the polls, unless they have some internal numbers. It would just smack of desperation, and that's not going to entice undecideds to vote for him. It would be a foolish move, but I double dog dare him to try it.

Hillary isn't about to SAVE Obama from his failed campaign.. 2012 is a hop and a skip away for Hillary.. and she won't share the candy with a upstart like Obama.. heck Bill will have to crawl on his knees and bark like a dog to get any.

If this did happen (big if!) it would make Obama look like a fool. There's all sorts of questions on his judgment of character in who he surrounds himself with, and this would only highlight it.

OTOH, it's not like the MSM would report it that way anyway, so maybe they'd bank on the "We'll tell you what to believe and think, and you WILL believe it" strategy that has thus far been working with half of the population.

*shrug*

I don't think it will happen.

If Obama was down in the polls, then there would be a remote possibility.

Since Obama is up in the polls, this would be absolutely insane.

....please do it.

This doesn't come close to passing the sniff test...

The Clintons think about the Clintons first and foremost. It's not about country. It's certainly not about the Party.

If The One wins the election and does well, HRC is hosed in '12. If The One wins the election and fairs poorly, HRC has an albatross around her neck.

Just don't see it happening...

With Big O- any flip-flop is possible if he thinks it'll help him win. But if he flips on HRC, he would be wise to increase his life insurance policy.

That this "rumor" has so much leg and can't seem to be quashed is sign of the discontent within the Democrat party.

The Party Unity My Ass discontent is real.

Even when The 0ne is well ahead in the polls, the discontent is making itself known.

The only way I can see this being the case is if the Obama camp's internals are showing the female vote is in question - by the state of today's polls, he seems to be doing fine without her. But then of course, he has the benefit of a propogandist media campaigning for him.

re: #23 Catttt

Barry thinks he's an alpha?

I thought Michelle was the alpha. :D

Dominatrix?

I loathe Barry so much that in comparison I sort of like Senator Clinton, but if she EVER accepted veep from Barry, I'd like her a lot less again. Does that make sense?

re: #2 MarkX

I want some of what he's been drinking Smoking.

fixed

Because that will instill confidence in Barry's decision making. NOT

I doubt hard care Hillary supporters will see this as anything other than a ploy to win them back.

re: #9 doriangrey

It would be the end of Obama's hope for change...

Good point.
(*gasp*) A CLINTON on the ticket?!
His messianic credibility would never recover.
He'd be down here, slugging it out, with the rest of us mortals.

You think maybe Rove started this rumor? /

imo.... everyone knows that Palin is going to smack one out of the park on Thursday..... this is Obambi's sense of damage control..... to float this out there to soften the blow after Biden breaks down in tears on Thursday night.

Operation Chaos lives.

re: #25 galloping granny

No, I don't think it is. The VP candidates have to be nominated by the conventions for starters. And there is a certain time frame for registering with the various states. People have already started voting. You cannot simply tranfer votes for Biden to someone else - that would disenfranchise the voters.

I think it is legal to do it. McGovern dumped Eagleton in 1972, although earlier in the campaign. I believe I read a piece weeks ago that quoted the relevant DNC rules.

As for ballots...you can leave a name that cannot stand for candidacy any longer on the ballot, with the proviso that that person will be replaced by someone of their party acceptable to voters. Think Carnahan in MO.

re: #39 loppyd

I doubt hard care Hillary supporters will see this as anything other than a ploy to win them back.

Meaning they'd still be pissed with him, and a good number of them would probably vote McCain anyway...

Laura Ingraham is going off on John McCain and I'm afraid she is correct.

I'm not dismissing it. Although it's one huge insult to Hillary. VP? C'mon. Then again she stayed with Bill, insult after insult.

Bush won the majority of the female vote in 2004 with Dick Cheney as his VP

IMHO Palin is going to bring home the female vote for McCain.

The women that hate Palin were already voting for Obama.

What if in Thursday night’s VP debate in St. Louis, Biden, an expert debater, figuratively rolls up his sleeves, takes off the gloves and simply demolishes Palin rhetorically and policy-wise. Just destroys her.

Or even more likely, "what if" that doesn't happen. What if Biden comes off looking like the smug, old Washington ass that he really is?...and Palin comes off looking like a Washington outsider, untainted by today's economic scandals?

I think that's what really has them worried.

re: #46 vagabond trader

Laura Ingraham is going off on John McCain and I'm afraid she is correct.

What? Where?

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

Nah, he just has to keep him quiet like the last month. Then Joe will have a free reign.

re: #18 Charles

I don't think Obama would do this, because he knows if Hillary's VP, the Clenis is part of the package. And there can only be one alpha dog.

And I don't think Hillary would do it, because her best-case scenario is a failed presidency (from which she is healthily distant) in 2012.

The busybee MSM, still working overtime to keep the Mac/Palin folks unbalanced and off their game.....

That would be interesting. It would also make Obama look like the spineless weenie he is. I also think the chances are zero, since he is showing ahead in the Polls.

This really could happen...seriously. Not the debate part, but Biden could step down due to "health concerns"; I'd give it a 1 in 10 chance. Hate to say it, but it would help Nobama considerably.

re: #17 galloping granny

I can't see this at all. Just last week four of Hillary's biggest supporters openly declared for John McCain and started campaigning for him.

And besides, what is in this gig for Hillary? She has more power as a Senator and isn't chained to whatever disaster Obama would create. Why should she drag his bacon out of the fire?

A punto!

re: #45 Fat Jolly Penguin

Meaning they'd still be pissed with him, and a good number of them would probably vote McCain anyway...

I think that is exactly what would happen.

I can see it now:

"Oh so NOW you want Hillary on your ticket? Pound sand, Barry"

nightmare scenario. If it plays out -- Obama gets the White House. Hands DOWN. Landslide.

And Joe Biden is way too power hungry to step aside.

re: #16 wearyman

Two questions:

1) Is it LEGAL to do that this close to an Election?

2) If done, would that not cause all SORTS of balloting issues? Not just for changing ballots in states where they have already been printed, but for EARLY and absentee voting, which has ALREADY STARTED in many states?

Frankly I think this is just so much fear mongering by the rumor mill. I seriously doubt that this would ever happen, and I think it would end up causing more problems for the Obama campaign than it's worth. No, they are stuck with Biden, gaffes and all.

1) A: Its as legal as the Torricelli/Lautenberg switch was in 2002. The Democrats have a very pliable relationship with the law. They can bend it any way they want and it will stick. The laws are for us, not for them.

2) A: see [1) A:] above.

I don't see, exactly, why Hillary would buy into this....

re: #34 Syrah

That this "rumor" has so much leg and can't seem to be quashed is sign of the discontent within the Democrat party.

The Party Unity My Ass discontent is real.

Even when The 0ne is well ahead in the polls, the discontent is making itself known.

Even a fraction of Hill's 18 million votes could put McCain/Palin over the top. He needs their votes. He knows it. They know it. He ain't getting 'em. They've made that crystal clear. On to victory!

re: #50 CommonSense

WXLM 104.7.

Obama's head is so big he'll name his alter ego as VP.

These days (and even before the big economic issues of this day) I have wandered how much money we have spent on "hot air." Damn pols...they take our cash in taxes, give it to thier buddies, then beg us to give them money to get elected, so they can take our money and get more influence. Who said there hasn't been a perpetual motion machine invented?

Yeah...and think back to the Christmas ads of HRC, in particular: "Oh, look! Health care for all! Send me your money so I can use it to buy votes for ME!"

re: #29 BingoBunny

Hillary isn't about to SAVE Obama from his failed campaign.. 2012 is a hop and a skip away for Hillary.. and she won't share the candy with a upstart like Obama.. heck Bill will have to crawl on his knees and bark like a dog to get any.

"B-B" -

Thought that was the former President's Modus Operandi for the last 30 years or so. Truthfully, I await the debate with the breath smell of bait - Gov. Palin Un-Edited has always come off better.

-S-

re: #44 arethusa

with the proviso that that person will be replaced by someone of their party acceptable to voters

How, exactly, does that get determined?

I loathe the idea of BHO as president. Howerver, I feel that if McCain doesn't start using stronger tactics that this will be the outcome of the election. A dem. president and a dem. congress: We are in for it big time. Taxes raised, income distribution, and who knows what else. I'm almost resigned to the outcome of a dem. POTUS. I hope and most def. pray that Palin does great on Thursday and that McCain grows some and goes after BHO so people can make a more informed decision and fight for McCain.

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

Good grief...I am at a loss for words...

Biden also said that Hillary was more than qualified to be President of the United States also. That's got to be a bit of a problem for Obama...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVy2yh28eig

re: #53 Occasional Reader

And I don't think Hillary would do it, because her best-case scenario is a failed presidency (from which she is healthily distant) in 2012.

I don't agree.. Hillary is done..It's over for the Clintons on the National Stage..she got beat by an unknown.. an empty suit..a political novice..
She'll retire a Senator or Judge.

Just think of all the new bumper stickers and yard signs they'd have to print up. That's one hell of a carbon footprint.

re: #73 obscured by clouds

Just think of all the new bumper stickers and yard signs they'd have to print up. That's one hell of a carbon footprint.

Like they care.

re: #65 JammieWearingFool

Obama's head is so big he'll name his alter ego as VP.

Why not? Even though Karl Marx is dead, the Democrats in Chicago have resurrected the dead before, if only to vote.

re: #44 arethusa

I think it is legal to do it. McGovern dumped Eagleton in 1972, although earlier in the campaign. I believe I read a piece weeks ago that quoted the relevant DNC rules.

As for ballots...you can leave a name that cannot stand for candidacy any longer on the ballot, with the proviso that that person will be replaced by someone of their party acceptable to voters. Think Carnahan in MO.

I wasn't thinking about the ballots themselves. People are already voting absentee. It would be erroneous to simply assume that a vote cast for Biden would automatically transfer to someone else. And what about those who might already have voted for McCain who might not have done if someone else was on the Dem ticket.

And as I said - late date. Certainly he could have been replaced at some point via the Dem rules, but on top of those rules each of the 50 states plus all of the other jurisdictions like Guam and DC have rules about when names have to be entered in order to appear on the ballot. That time is long gone everywhere I'm sure.

re: #59 soccerdad

nightmare scenario. If it plays out -- Obama gets the White House. Hands DOWN. Landslide.

I don't know about that. It would have been a strong ticket had it been that way ab initio. Now, it would look like disarray.

But I really don't think it's going to happen, anyway.

re: #61 Syrah

The Democrats have a very pliable relationship with the law. They can bend it any way they want and it will stick. The laws are for us, not for them.

2) A: see [1) A:] above.

And the judges/courts are for them, not for us.

re: #59 soccerdad

nightmare scenario. If it plays out -- Obama gets the White House. Hands DOWN. Landslide.

If that were to happen & if I were Oflama, I would not go near Marcie Park.

I'm voting... voting... Mac, Mac & Pali, Pali...

/apologies to Bigge Small

re: #33 Rageman

With Big O- any flip-flop is possible if he thinks it'll help him win. But if he flips on HRC, he would be wise to increase his life insurance policy.

And stay the hell away from Mena, Arkansas. ;-)

re: #59 soccerdad

nightmare scenario. If it plays out -- Obama gets the White House. Hands DOWN. Landslide.

Only in bizarro land, and as strange as this election cycle has been we aint there yet. No if Hillary were to join the ticket she would be conceding once and for all that she will never ever be POTUS.

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

Yeah, that was very creepy, IMHO. So creepy in fact, I linked it above in the spinoff links.

What is it about Obama that makes these moonbats worship him? Not just want him in as President, but out-and-out worship?

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Yeesh. Talk about a freaking personality cult.

Obama's too cocky to admit he can't do it without Hillary so it won't happen.

Meanwhile the Omaba-jungden sing

puke.

re: #73 obscured by clouds

Just think of all the new bumper stickers and yard signs they'd have to print up. That's one hell of a carbon footprint.

Maybe they could recycle the McCain signs they have stolen?

I know I say this every single time you post, but you have the best avatar EVAH!

Even if the deep-six-Biden, air-drop-Hillary scenario were to play out, I suspect a lot of the voters, even fairly solid Democrats, would be turned off by the sheer cynicism of the maneuver. It would probably not translate into many additional votes for McCain, but a lot of Dem/Ind voters would be repelled enough to stay away from the polls. Only diehard Obamolators and determined Dems would shrug it off and march off to the polls.

Stealth affirmative action, great description of the spark setting off this mess.

DOW up 249.45....

re: #27 Izzy Dunne

O'bama offers her the ticket spot.
She says "Probably".
Biden goes South, for "medical reasons".
Hillary changes her mind and says "No".
O'bama has no VP.

/fantasy

Now THAT would be funny....but alas...me thinks it too far in the realm of fantasy.

re: #87 FloridaAnole

Even if the deep-six-Biden, air-drop-Hillary scenario were to play out, I suspect a lot of the voters, even fairly solid Democrats, would be turned off by the sheer cynicism of the maneuver. It would probably not translate into many additional votes for McCain, but a lot of Dem/Ind voters would be repelled enough to stay away from the polls. Only diehard Obamolators marxists and determined Dems socialists would shrug it off and march off to the polls.

Fixed.

re: #75 maddogg

Why not? Even though Karl Marx is dead, the Democrats in Chicago have resurrected the dead before, if only to vote.

Karl Marx nothing. Reminds me more of Wilson and Mussolini. Very opportunistic, yet socialistic. And wanting to quash dissent when they find it.

re: #68 unreconstructed rebel

How, exactly, does that get determined?

In the Carnahan scenario I think they made it very clear his wife would step in. When Wellstone died 11 days before the MN Senate election in 2002, they said Mondale would replace him, IIRC.

No way Hillary would jump in to rescue Obamessiah at this point.

She's shooting for the #1 spot in '12, and all the Clintons' actions and words since Obamessiah clinched the nomination indicate they are employing all their considerable guile to undermine him while offending as few "moderate" Dems (if there is such a thing) as possible.

If I were president, I wouldn't want Hillary anywhere near me. Both she and her husband are power-hungry, and are not to be trusted, or underestimated in the lengths that they will go.

Every time Barry goes up in the polls, it reminds me of people on crack. Short high, back down to the tie again when people have the OMG what was I thinking response.

IMHO, this will either be a squeaker or Barry will lose his shirt.

Another possible reason for this candidate swap: What if in Thursday night’s VP debate in St. Louis, Biden, an expert debater, figuratively rolls up his sleeves, takes off the gloves and simply demolishes Palin rhetorically and policy-wise. Just destroys her.

I've thought about this scenario for several weeks...unfortunately it's plausible.

re: #92 Honorary Yooper

Karl Marx nothing. Reminds me more of Wilson and Mussolini. Very opportunistic, yet socialistic. And wanting to quash dissent when they find it.

We call it "fascism."

re: #87 FloridaAnole

Even if the deep-six-Biden, air-drop-Hillary scenario were to play out, I suspect a lot of the voters, even fairly solid Democrats, would be turned off by the sheer cynicism of the maneuver. It would probably not translate into many additional votes for McCain, but a lot of Dem/Ind voters would be repelled enough to stay away from the polls. Only diehard Obamolators and determined Dems would shrug it off and march off to the polls.

Precisely, and they'll need every vote they can get.

re: #89 loppyd

DOW up 249.45....

Not too shabby. That's about 1/3 of what it lost yesterday.

re: #33 Rageman

With Big O- any flip-flop is possible if he thinks it'll help him win. But if he flips on HRC, he would be wise to increase his life insurance policy.

here here

re: #95 acwgusa

If I were president, I wouldn't want Hillary anywhere near me. Both she and her husband are power-hungry, and are not to be trusted, or underestimated in the lengths that they will go.

plus they would need food tasters at the white house..

It's too late- 0bama already showed his executive decision ability. As my Auntie said to me, "Biden? He chose Biden?!" There is no fixing that- moderate democrats and independents already saw how well he makes a decision. He failed and there is no rectifying it now.

With all the polls now saying Obama is in the lead, I find this surprising, unless of course, the O people know these polls are useless.

Pelosi actually thanked Barney Frank for his leadership? Too funny.

re: #97 jorline

I've thought about this scenario for several weeks...unfortunately it's plausible.

If she is as knowledgeable as everyone says she is, it won't matter what Joe "Foot in the Mouth " Biden says or does.

re: #72 HoosierHoops

I don't agree.. Hillary is done..It's over for the Clintons on the National Stage..she got beat by an unknown.. an empty suit..a political novice..
She'll retire a Senator or Judge.

I don't think Hillary got beaten fair and square. I think she got thrown under the bus by her party like Joe Liebermann was and then riden out of town on a rail.

re: #70 scottishbuzzsaw

man o man, sounds like Vacation Bible School gone political....Where is the koolaid?

re: #97 jorline

I've thought about this scenario for several weeks...unfortunately it's plausible.

Gently reminds jorline they dont call Her Sarah the Barracuda for nothing, nor is Biden known as the amazing gaffe machine for no reason. I hope Biden packs a good lunch for this debate, not for his sake of course since the Barracuda is going to be the one eating it...

re: #107 galloping granny

I don't think Hillary got beaten fair and square. I think she got thrown under the bus by her party like Joe Liebermann was and then riden out of town on a rail.

You have to admit, she did not go gently under that good bus.

To mix metaphors, I am also not so sure Obama got the ruby slippers off her feet, either.

This rumor has been floating around the blogosphere for WEEKS now. I can't believe for a second Urkel would drop Biden when he's running 6-8 points ahead of McCain in the polls....if he were running even or a point or two behind, I might see it. Biden's a gaffe machine, yes, but he's always BEEN a gaffe machine.

There's just no motive to drop Biden now - but if, as I suspect, the polls will begin to tighten in about 3 weeks, he might wish he had :)

I think Malcolm merely made one little miscalculation.

It's not going to be Hillary.

Barney Frank will be called in to guard Obama's backside.

/we can always hope

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

It's Dear Leader time!

The Japanese in WWII had kids sing about battles (Iwo Jima) - kind of reminds me of that, too.

Creepy squared.

My guess is that regardless of the debate questions, Palin will answer with her talking points, as a result, Biden will go ballistic in frustration, proceed to crap in his hat and then put it on.

re: #108 Wishing

man o man, sounds like Vacation Bible School gone political....Where is the koolaid?

We have grape and cherry...Name your poisonFlavor.

re: #97 jorline

I've thought about this scenario for several weeks...unfortunately it's plausible.

I don't know. Left to her own devices Sarah Palin can hold her own. Joe is going to have a tough time demolishing her without looking like a complete ass.

All the markets up today, so much for the fear mongering.

re: #82 doriangrey

Only in bizarro land, and as strange as this election cycle has been we aint there yet. No if Hillary were to join the ticket she would be conceding once and for all that she will never ever be POTUS.

I agree -- the whole thing would be bizarro. I do not think HRC would take it. I'm just saying if she were to take it.....lights out for McCain/Palin.

The Repubs have no business being this close when everything is this far in the shitter. Yet there they are - within a margin of error.

I'm still standing by my predictions.....McCain/Palin in an electoral landslide.

re: #108 Wishing

man o man, sounds like Vacation Bible School gone political....Where is the koolaid?

This use/abuse of children is infuriating...

Does anybody remember the movie "Talk Radio?" Every time I think of Obama I think of that kid Kent saying "Baaaarrrry" and Eric Bogosian's character saying, "Kent, you're an idiot."

Never underestimate your opponent, no matter how clueless. Palin has the Dems worked up into a frothing frenzy. With her beauty, brains, and self- confidence she has been haunting their dreams and messing with their moonbeam reception. If they feel they need Hillary in order to prevent another 4 years of "Rovian" manipulation then they will ask her to step forward.

Oh man...CREEPY. Eww... I've never hated a politician like I hate Barack Obama.

If Obama wins, I'll finally know how most of my friends felt about the last 8 years of Bush. Although, we won't have the Obama-bashing news media, books, movies, "art", music, etc. that we had to endure for Bush.

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

I think Hillary is profoundly un-electable, as is Barak Hussein My country's Flag'that pin" 0bama.

With Hillary you get suck-me-Monica back in the white house again.

I do not think a majority will go for either of them.

re: #86 loppyd

I know I say this every single time you post, but you have the best avatar EVAH!

Thank you. If Obama gets elected we're all going to feel like the guy in the Boston whaler who all of the sudden has to jump out of the boat to avoid being run-over by Rodney Dangerfield's yacht. *cringe*

re: #13 MarkX

....and, the only position HRC wants is the top of the ticket.

zactly

re: #85 BrianA

Obama's too cocky to admit he can't do it without Hillary so it won't happen.

Meanwhile the Omaba-jungden sing

puke.

Good G-d in Heaven! That is CREEPY as hell.

Two telling comments on that vid are like a capsule of this election:

Harpo5139 (6 days ago)
-4 Poor comment Good comment
I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M READING. "The White Kid" is MY KID and she is simply a young musician and blossoming singer. Clearly you are a racist to make such horrific statements! How sad that people are so THREATENED by little kids singing! I'm proud that my daughter was chosen to sing her song and so is she. She wrote it ALL BY HERSELF, melody and lyrics and she also plays the violin - how scary! While you're sitting around watching Friday Night Smackdown my kid is listening to Beethoven.

againsttheherd (6 days ago)
+8
So who brainwashed your kid? You?
Another friggen' elitist for Obama.. what a surprise!

re: #18 Charles

I don't think Obama would do this, because he knows if Hillary's VP, the Clenis is part of the package. And there can only be one alpha dog.

Not only that, but Obama's wife has him by the short and curlies and Michelle My Belle Omarosa (sp?) Obama despises Hill D. Beast, from what I have heard.
She wears the pants in that family.

re: #122 Pyrocles

Oh man...CREEPY. Eww... I've never hated a politician like I hate Barack Obama.

If Obama wins, I'll finally know how most of my friends felt about the last 8 years of Bush. Although, we won't have the Obama-bashing news media, books, movies, "art", music, etc. that we had to endure for Bush.

I cant imagine wasting the energy to hate someone like Obama.

re: #121 gman

I agree with Dorian- if she agreed to do this she would be conceding to herself that she'll never be President on her own.

I am suspect of the poll numbers anyway. The One underpolled in every Primary from Ohio on, by 5 to 7%, due to us clingy bible gun carrying types. This demographic may not change markedly. If you want to look at polls there was one recently from AP (09/08) that indicated the HRC supporters hadn't changed their position since June. The number was about 28% that would not vote for BHO.

If you look at that on a national scale it represents about 14% of the total number of Democrats that voted in the Primary elections. I would suggest that even if 2 to 3% of the total were to refrain to vote for BHO or switch to Mac it would probably create a real problem for BHO along with a probably underpoll of 2 to 3% (SWAG on my part). I think it maybe close but I believe that Mac has a really good chance to win.

Just tired of all the negative bs put out by the MSM etc. It will be sweet on Nov 5 to hear their collective heads implode.

Iowahawk at his best.

re: #128 doriangrey

I cant imagine wasting the energy to hate someone like Obama.

Unfortunately, I'm in Illinois, so I can very much imagine it.

Two more years and I can help put Obama back in the soup kitchen line.

re: #113 capitalist piglet

It's Dear Leader time!

The Japanese in WWII had kids sing about battles (Iwo Jima) - kind of reminds me of that, too.

Creepy squared.

Hey, look on the bright side - Elian Gonzalez could come back. He'd fit right in with the Obamatons now.

Nope. Rezko is going to speak.
Obama is going to get implicated.

Hillary is going to make her move, having only suspended her campaign and will be next in line with the most number of votes and will take the nomination. That's why Bill has been holding back an active Obama campeign.

A Hillary VS. Palin is a weak move and looks gimmicky.

A Hillary on top would solidify the base and all the money McCain has spent to fight Obama would now have to be knee jerked to switch to fight Hillary. She is going to get it and win it.

/Tinfoil hat off...wow. I need a shower...

It would be nice is GWB would step up to the plate and do something decisive. He is still President, yet he mopes around and expresses his disappointment rather than doing something useful.

re: #134 Oh no...Sand People!

Nope. Rezko is going to speak.
Obama is going to get implicated.

Dear God, I hope so. Rumor has it right now that Rezko is doing his best canary impression for the Feds.

The only thing more laughable than this rumor is that 0bama is even the nominee.

18 Charles- maybe the "Clenis" in this case is Michelle Obama, the terror...!
/heh

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

Dear God, I hope so. Rumor has it right now that Rezko is doing his best canary impression for the Feds.

He only has till November 4th...and Hillary is doing her best to keep him alive till then...

"Another possible reason for this candidate swap: What if in Thursday night’s VP debate in St. Louis, Biden, an expert debater, figuratively rolls up his sleeves, takes off the gloves and simply demolishes Palin rhetorically and policy-wise. Just destroys her."

An expert debater my ass. He's from the Bill O'Reilly Irish blowhard at the end of the bar debating school. Yell the loudest, longest and you win.

re: #109 doriangrey

Gently reminds jorline they dont call Her Sarah the Barracuda for nothing, nor is Biden known as the amazing gaffe machine for no reason. I hope Biden packs a good lunch for this debate, not for his sake of course since the Barracuda is going to be the one eating it...

Listening to a segment of Bill Bennet's this morning....me thinks you are in fantasy land (though I hope you are right). Recall -- she's a beauty queen made good and has not had any national experience. Amdnistrative, yes -- national security and national issues,,no. The guest basically said she could not get beyond the top layer of any issues in her gubernatorial debates. Yet she won -- so who knows.

I seriously doubt she's going to have the depth to stand toe-to-toe with (even the human gaffe machine) a 38 year senator for 90 minutes. It will be interesting to watch and I hope I am wrong.

Go Sarah!

Actually when I look at the state by state polls, I do not see Obama performing as well as the national polls lead us to believe. I still think the election will tilt the last weekend before the election, when voters look at how much they really don't know about the man child, and is this what they really want.

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

Does that remind anyone else just a little bit of this?

#83 Honorary Yooper

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

Yeah, that was very creepy, IMHO. So creepy in fact, I linked it above in the spinoff links.

What is it about Obama that makes these moonbats worship him? Not just want him in as President, but out-and-out worship?

It's ironic how much of the left spurns and mocks faith in God, but they have no problem worshiping a man. Every totalitarian tyrant from the beginning of time to the present has demanded worship of their person. Obama has been setting himself up for worship for a long time, with the media going along with it. Remember "the rise of the oceans will cease...the earth will heal..." bs? The really scary thing is O believes his halo is real.

re: #134 Oh no...Sand People!

Nope. Rezko is going to speak.
Obama is going to get implicated.

Do you have a link for that?

re: #131 USA

Iowahawk at his best.

ROTFLMAO!

Interesting that McCardle keeps on the fear machine 24/7. People like her are scum.

Maybe Hillary will be the top of the ticket-- a kind of SCROTUS-- Supreme Commander Royale of the US!
/Hahaha-they're coming to take me away

re: #124 obscured by clouds

Thank you. If Obama gets elected we're all going to feel like the guy in the Boston whaler who all of the sudden has to jump out of the boat to avoid being run-over by Rodney Dangerfield's yacht. *cringe*

LOL!

As far fetched as this scenario sounds , it could have legs.
If Obama was lagging in the polls , I would give it more credence.

re: #131 USA

Iowahawk at his best.

Hey man... It get's lonely on the road... ROTFLMAO......................................

re: #126 Catttt

It Came From Outer Space -- namely, Venice, California. What'd you expect?

re: #105 vagabond trader

Pelosi actually thanked Barney Frank for his leadership? Too funny.

I thought so too........I guess if the definition of leadership is to take pocket money to block regulation to gain voter support of minorities then it's great leadership.

re: #131 USA

Iowahawk at his best.

WONDERFUL!

re: #144 ladycatnip

A true post you have there.

IMHO we have a choice between idolatry and humility in this election.

re: #144 ladycatnip

#83 Honorary Yooper

It's ironic how much of the left spurns and mocks faith in God, but they have no problem worshiping a man. Every totalitarian tyrant from the beginning of time to the present has demanded worship of their person. Obama has been setting himself up for worship for a long time, with the media going along with it. Remember "the rise of the oceans will cease...the earth will heal..." bs? The really scary thing is O believes his halo is real.

I was listening to an enraptured follower on NPR just yesterday going on that she could feel the hand of God in this election. Scary.

If the polls show Obama with a lead or expanding a lead as they purport over the past week, there's no reason that Obama would make the switch now, or at all.

However, if the polls aren't accurate and he really is that insecure about his chances, going and pulling a switch would make sense. Still, that assumes that Hillary would ever want to play second fiddle to Obama. I sense that there is truly a palpable dislike between the two, and Hillary simply couldn't or wouldn't play second fiddle to Obama.

If Biden totally chokes at the debate, and Palin holds her own, then Obama faces a problem, but unless it's a total collapse on Biden's part I don't see a change happening.

That's not the kind of change Obama's hoping for.

OT: sad news today, the NY Sun is ceasing publication as of today. I got it delivered to my house for the past several years. Best paper available anywhere, and a true friend of the good people.

I am sad today........

#76 galloping granny

I wasn't thinking about the ballots themselves. People are already voting absentee. It would be erroneous to simply assume that a vote cast for Biden would automatically transfer to someone else. And what about those who might already have voted for McCain who might not have done if someone else was on the Dem ticket.

And as I said - late date. Certainly he could have been replaced at some point via the Dem rules, but on top of those rules each of the 50 states plus all of the other jurisdictions like Guam and DC have rules about when names have to be entered in order to appear on the ballot. That time is long gone everywhere I'm sure.

In a presidential election, you do not vote directly for the ticket, the vote is cast for an elector, who (provided he/she has the most votes in their specific electoral district) in turn votes when the Electoral College is convened.

BTW, Karl Rove says that McCain is getting his ass kicked.

re: #83 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, that was very creepy, IMHO. So creepy in fact, I linked it above in the spinoff links.

What is it about Obama that makes these moonbats worship him? Not just want him in as President, but out-and-out worship?

Is Obama channeling Kim Jong-il now? Really creepy.

re: #143 Occasional Reader

Does that remind anyone else just a little bit of this?

Oh yes, yes it does...*shudder*

Wouldn't . . .be . . . prudent

/on so many levels

re: #145 DeafDog

Rezko talks.

re: #156 unreconstructed rebel

I was listening to an enraptured follower on NPR just yesterday going on that she could feel the hand of God in this election. Scary.

Was Bill Clinton standing behind her?

re: #143 Occasional Reader

Does that remind anyone else just a little bit of this?

Sadly, yes, it was one of the first things I thought of.

I'll say it, Barack Obama is a liberal fascist.

/Said it months ago and got slapped for it.

re: #132 Honorary Yooper

Unfortunately, I'm in Illinois, so I can very much imagine it.

Two more years and I can help put Obama back in the soup kitchen line.

I am in the same boat as you, here in Illinois.
So let's say that Obama loses, & runs for reelection to the Senate.
Who do the Republicans put up? The party in Illinois is a mess.
Denny Hasterts seat is now held by a Democrat!

re: #131 USA

Hysterical!

re: #149 loppyd

LOL!

It's easy to grin
When your ship comes in

re: #123 Ojoe

I think Hillary is profoundly un-electable, as is Barak Hussein My country's Flag'that pin" 0bama.

With Hillary you get suck-me-Monica back in the white house again.

I do not think a majority will go for either of them.

I also think a majority would find the thought of electing all of them (Hill, Bill, and Barry - that's a lot'o'luggage) a little more than they are willing to take, and I'd bet the DNC campaign internals shows it.

re: #156 unreconstructed rebel

It is beyond scary if you ask me.

But ultimately,

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt.

I agree with Charles' skepticism. I just don't see this happening, even in this insane election cycle.

Rumors like this accomplish nothing and take energy away from where it needs to be spent: getting Republicans' message out and hammering it as relentlessly as the F@#$%^&* Democrats do.

I have never been so frustrated with my party's inability to boldly articulate what it believes in. Apologies for sounding so negative - not trying to spread it here. I think I just need a pep talk or a large quantity of adult beverages.

Foundering unfounded rumor

143- Iguess you haven't beent to a Barnes and 'O' Noble or a Obama-Borders lately.. there on the dislay are the Obama primers-- the children's books like Lil toot that celebrate and proagandize the Obama for Pres lies.
Disgraceful. Youth brain wash stuff

re: #159 RadicalRon

In a presidential election, you do not vote directly for the ticket, the vote is cast for an elector, who (provided he/she has the most votes in their specific electoral district) in turn votes when the Electoral College is convened.

BTW, Karl Rove says that McCain is getting his ass kicked.

Not exactly. It is the candidate's name on the ballot, not the elector's.

re: #135 maddogg

It would be nice is GWB would step up to the plate and do something decisive. He is still President, yet he mopes around and expresses his disappointment rather than doing something useful.

He is so mad at McCain, you can expect nothing postive coming from the WH

It is within possibility . After all , there is now talk of Palin getting dropped from the ticket , therefore if the Democrats drop Biden and pick up Hillary Clinton , that's checkmate for any McCain plans to drop Palin .
Gonna be real interesting on who makes the first move .

re: #145 DeafDog

Do you have a link for that?

There is one kicking around...but I can't find it...

re: #109 doriangrey

Gently reminds jorline they dont call Her Sarah the Barracuda for nothing, nor is Biden known as the amazing gaffe machine for no reason. I hope Biden packs a good lunch for this debate, not for his sake of course since the Barracuda is going to be the one eating it...

I agree about Palin, dorin, but Biden's a prick and he hasn't kept his seat for 30 plus years by being stupid.

I think Palin's best strategy for the debate should be playing up the "Washington Outsider". Her inexperience may be her best hand, capitalize on her intelligence and what she's accomplished in Alaska...at this point most people are sick of the Washington Elite Bureaucrats.

Not being a Washington Insider may be the ace-in-the-hole.

I think a lot of Americans know that the experienced politicians got us into this mess...fu*k them!

Mark Thoma is also re: #171 gearhead

I agree with Charles' skepticism. I just don't see this happening, even in this insane election cycle.

Rumors like this accomplish nothing and take energy away from where it needs to be spent: getting Republicans' message out and hammering it as relentlessly as the F@#$%^&* Democrats do.

I have never been so frustrated with my party's inability to boldly articulate what it believes in. Apologies for sounding so negative - not trying to spread it here. I think I just need a pep talk or a large quantity of adult beverages.

Well I guess when there's nothing else to do - rumor monger.

re: #131 USA

Iowahawk at his best.

Charles,

Is this material for having its own thread?

re: #159 RadicalRon

In a presidential election, you do not vote directly for the ticket, the vote is cast for an elector, who (provided he/she has the most votes in their specific electoral district) in turn votes when the Electoral College is convened.

BTW, Karl Rove says that McCain is getting his ass kicked.

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

#110 Old Line Texan

re: #107 galloping granny

I don't think Hillary got beaten fair and square. I think she got thrown under the bus by her party like Joe Liebermann was and then riden out of town on a rail.

You have to admit, she did not go gently under that good bus.

To mix metaphors, I am also not so sure Obama got the ruby slippers off her feet, either.

For the Clinton's, there's no place like the WH.

153-commonsense-- that's Secretary of the Treasury Barney Frank to you, my friend....

re: #170 Ojoe

It is beyond scary if you ask me.

But ultimately,

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt.

It took a minute.

re: #176 Excaliber

It is within possibility . After all , there is now talk of Palin getting dropped from the ticket , therefore if the Democrats drop Biden and pick up Hillary Clinton , that's checkmate for any McCain plans to drop Palin .
Gonna be real interesting on who makes the first move .

Palin being dropped is less likely to happen than Biden being dropped.

My understanding is that the MSM and Democrats expect Biden to trounce Palin in the debate. Given this, I'm willing to bet that both the MSM and Democrats will try to get as many people to watch this debate as possible, even if it means spreading clearly false rumors.

I'll be very interested to see what questions are asked during the debate and who they will be asked of. That's where the MSM will have their opportunity to skew the debates.

re: #176 Excaliber

It is within possibility . After all , there is now talk of Palin getting dropped from the ticket , therefore if the Democrats drop Biden and pick up Hillary Clinton , that's checkmate for any McCain plans to drop Palin .
Gonna be real interesting on who makes the first move .

Yeah MSNBC who I laugh at when I browse through to Fox News. I cannot believe the effort they put in to discredit a VP pick when the Messiah has gotten a FREE pass the entire time.

Simply scary and amazing.

Dollar is strong today, go figure.

Biden-Hillary surprise? Well, first, he starts wearing pastel pants-suits. Then she gets a crew-cut.

re: #183 big L

153-commonsense-- that's Secretary of the Treasury Barney Frank to you, my friend....

Reaching for airsickness bag. Maybe if he would talk 'uncharacteristically nicely' to me, I would feel better.

Switcheroo? can you think Torricelli to Lautenberg in New Jersey? Primary over with and the Supreme ct there said O.K.

re: #189 itellu3times

Dollar is strong today, go figure.

Biden-Hillary surprise? Well, first, he starts wearing pastel pants-suits. Then she gets a crew-cut.

R O F L !

re: #145 DeafDog

Do you have a link for that?

Here ya go

re: #176 Excaliber

It is within possibility . After all , there is now talk of Palin getting dropped from the ticket , therefore if the Democrats drop Biden and pick up Hillary Clinton , that's checkmate for any McCain plans to drop Palin .
Gonna be real interesting on who makes the first move .

Where? Linky?

Who is the person (Obama shill) asking the questions at Thursday's debate?

re: #112 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Barney Frank will be called in to guard Obama's backside.

*resolutely not commenting*

The main reason this scenario won't work is that Hillary and Bill would have to buy into it.

I still think H&B are voting for McCain and will be on the 2012 campaign trail starting November 5, 2008

re: #195 tfc3rid

Who is the person (Obama shill) asking the questions at Thursday's debate?

PBS's Gwen Ifill

re: #143 Occasional Reader

Does that remind anyone else just a little bit of this?

OMG I haven't seen that in years. I forgot how chilling that scene was, especially the emcee's face at the end.

re: #180 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Charles,

Is this material for having its own thread?

LOL!

Is the Pope Catholic?

Iowahawk is - brilliant - funny - and brilliant again. He always hits the nail on the head. He's the little kid who notices the emperor is naked.

Charles - there is new Iowahawk thread material!

Let's say, for the sake of argument, 0bama did this crazy thing. The PUMAs are on record at their own blogs as not going for it. It's not going to gain him the votes from within his own party that he desperately needs. He's welcome to try this crazy stunt- the joke will be on him.

Hah. The Obama Kids Sing for Dear Leader is now on Drudge.

re: #163 Perplexed

Rezko talks.

Thanks for the link.

Rezko probably has a lot of secrets to tell. I doubt that he gives up Obama.

re: #176 Excaliber

It is within possibility . After all , there is now talk of Palin getting dropped from the ticket , therefore if the Democrats drop Biden and pick up Hillary Clinton , that's checkmate for any McCain plans to drop Palin .
Gonna be real interesting on who makes the first move .

And if the old guard succeeds on that one off it's tilt/game-over. Thank you for playing.

re: #197 jorline

The main reason this scenario won't work is that Hillary and Bill would have to buy into it.

I still think H&B are voting for McCain and will be on the 2012 campaign trail starting November 5, 2008

Agree Jorline, HRC will not play lapdog to that upstart

Scenario# 2 McCain dumps Palin first , Obama now forced to dump Biden , who is a loser anyway .

Lesson to be learned for both candidates , think twice before choosing your running mate .

Expect drastic steps as BOTH candidates are not showing any clear cut lead .
Left and Right may be settled , but there is a rather large Center , which may infact be an unknown quantity right up to election day .

re: #196 lurking faith

*resolutely not commenting*

*tongue bitten in half, blood flowing, typing in extreme pain*

yeah, I know what you mean

re: #83 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, that was very creepy, IMHO. So creepy in fact, I linked it above in the spinoff links.

What is it about Obama that makes these moonbats worship him? Not just want him in as President, but out-and-out worship?

They have no G-d, but they have to replace Him with something.

We in the real world know that the religious impulse is part of human nature, and that if you deny G-d, your worship just shifts to something else in his place. They spit on "white" monotheism (African monotheism is kind of cute, and Muslims are correctly oppressed, so their religion is acceptable, you see). They then proceed to take Man and elevate him to god status. The man gets up there, claims to be able to change sea levels, gets photographed with halos around his head, has children worship him like some kind of Palestinian kindergarten pageant, people cry in his presence and claim that he'll heal the sick, and then they have the nerve to say that OTHER people's religion is repulsive.

Riiiiight...

re: #198 Athos

PBS's Gwen Ifill

Wow... Talk about loaded...

re: #209 Pawn of the Oppressor

They have no G-d, but they have to replace Him with something.

We in the real world know that the religious impulse is part of human nature, and that if you deny G-d, your worship just shifts to something else in his place. They spit on "white" monotheism (African monotheism is kind of cute, and Muslims are correctly oppressed, so their religion is acceptable, you see). They then proceed to take Man and elevate him to god status. The man gets up there, claims to be able to change sea levels, gets photographed with halos around his head, has children worship him like some kind of Palestinian kindergarten pageant, people cry in his presence and claim that he'll heal the sick, and then they have the nerve to say that OTHER people's religion is repulsive.

Riiiiight...

And it will be illegal to speak against him - today Missouri, tomorrow the world.

Does annefrance have competition?

re: #207 Excaliber

Still waiting for your links to the 'dropping Palin' rumor...

#143 Occasional Reader

Does that remind anyone else just a little bit of this?

Was that a man/boy or woman singing? Very, very creepy.

One other thing to keep in mind. If this does happen, and I'm giving it extremely low odds, what does it say about Obama's search committee, and their decision making abilities, to say nothing of Obama's own decision making?

Jim Johnson (late of the toxic paper crisis) was one of the people vetting the candidates for VP. Great decision making once again, don't you think?

Now, someone is hoping for a do-over?

I think the American people deserve a whole lot better than what Obama's giving, and that's a flim flam artist relying on people who cooked the books to make a bunch of money for themselves and their cronies and now stick the taxpayers with the bill.

Yay, Iowahawk thread!

re: #210 tfc3rid

Wow... Talk about loaded...

Pretty much par for the course in this debate season.....

IOWAHAWK has his OWN thread!
WHEEEE!

re: #210 tfc3rid

Wow... Talk about loaded...

I wonder if we'll see the infamous fist bump.

/yo,dawg

re: #207 Excaliber

Other than an awesome acceptance speech, Palin has not wowed me as a candidate. That said, McCain can't dump Palin.

171 gearhead-- your lips to G_d's ears-- What the GOP needs a hatchetman or woman to go out and evsierate the donks.

I sure hope GovPalin can say Gee Sen biden splitting Iraq into 3 parts was sure a brilliant idea you had. Wahat abot the Shia portion? Wouldn't Iran, yes Iran move right into that area? Well.
I wishe her well. I don't think that Gov Crist or Gov Pawlenty or Frmr Gov Jeb Bush could have passed the tests the donks require of Gov Palin. Other than Gov Richardson, whose foreign policy creds were a resulting disaster...
which one for those govs have been out of the US?

re: #213 scottishbuzzsaw

Still waiting for your links to the 'dropping Palin' rumor...

Remember Waco? Remember Ruby Ridge? Tis but a taste of the shit headed down the pike if Obama wins. You think there were problems with militias during the Clinton Administration, you ain't seen nothin' yet. There will be all out wars when the Obamabots are sent out to crush opposition.

I have been waiting for this kind of ad from McCain. Better late than never.
Rein

re: #215 lawhawk

Given all that, which is true, it still will not really amount to a lot. There are dozens of examples of poor judgment and weak decisionmaking skills by Obama - yet none of those really gain traction on most of the electorate.

re: #174 galloping granny

True, because most people have no idea about the Electoral College; even following 2000, when there was speculation that al-Gore was trying to get a couple of Dubya's electors to defect.

As far as a Biden-Contessa switcheroo goes, yo 'Bama's name is the advert for the Marxist vote. If the ballots listed the elector's names rather than the candidate's, voter turnout would be 10% of all registered voters -- and that might be an overly generous estimate.

re: #207 Excaliber

Scenario# 2 McCain dumps Palin first , Obama now forced to dump Biden , who is a loser anyway .

Lesson to be learned for both candidates , think twice before choosing your running mate .

Expect drastic steps as BOTH candidates are not showing any clear cut lead .
Left and Right may be settled , but there is a rather large Center , which may infact be an unknown quantity right up to election day .

You eating shrooms?

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

Dear God, I hope so. Rumor has it right now that Rezko is doing his best canary impression for the Feds.

would that be the canary in the mine tunnel

I am amazed the Clintons have not done more to rerail the Obamanation. If he is elected, there is no hope for hillary in 4 years. 8 more years and she will be (look) too old (sorry, but the truth is the years have not been kind to her).

... The idea of Bill Clinton wandering the "Halls of Power" (for 4 years) with absolutely nothing to do is hilarious.

re: #211 gearhead

And it will be illegal to speak against him - today Missouri, tomorrow the world.

Not if I can help it!

re: #144 ladycatnip

#83 Honorary Yooper

It's ironic how much of the left spurns and mocks faith in God, but they have no problem worshiping a man. Every totalitarian tyrant from the beginning of time to the present has demanded worship of their person. Obama has been setting himself up for worship for a long time, with the media going along with it. Remember "the rise of the oceans will cease...the earth will heal..." bs? The really scary thing is O believes his halo is real.

no he doesn't
he's a three card monty guy
flim flam
I'm seeing Richard Gere in the Chicago court room
tap tap tappity tap

re: #231 RTLM

... The idea of Bill Clinton wandering the "Halls of Power" (for 4 years) with absolutely nothing no one to do is hilarious.

#194 do you get all your info from links ? Read the newspapers .Listen to the candidates words .

Palin's a liability unless she can prove otherwise in the debate coming up , Biden's no better , a blabbermouth with an uncontrollable "tendency " to say THE WRONG THINGS . Truth is ,they're both liabilities , and both vulnerable .

As we draw closer to the Election , the numbers are not reassuring for either candidate , drastic times usually produce drastic measures , and both have a good coverall to make such changes be less noticed , for there is that large black cloud of the Economy , which will overshadow everything .

LOL....I think this will give new meaning to "taking off the gloves " .

re: #202 zenren

Hah. The Obama Kids Sing for Dear Leader is now on Drudge.

Oh, crap. That Harpo person I quoted is going to have a stroke now.

re: #231 RTLM

... The idea of Bill Clinton wandering the "Halls of Power" (for 4 years) with absolutely nothing to do is hilarious.

Oh, he would be doing things. He would do the housekeeper, a few of the interns, tourists who wandered off of the beaten path, you name it he would be doing it.

re: #203 DeafDog

Thanks for the link.

Rezko probably has a lot of secrets to tell. I doubt that he gives up Obama.

After all, if 0bama wins this election, Rezko could hope for a pardon.

re: #214 ladycatnip

#143 Occasional Reader

Was that a man/boy or woman singing? Very, very creepy.

From the Wikipedia article: Cabaret:

The rise of the Nazis and their increasing influence on German society is dramatically demonstrated in the beer garden scene: A boy - only his face seen - sings to the seated guests what first seems an innocent lyrical song about the beauties of nature. This gradually shifts to the strident "Tomorrow Belongs To Me" as the camera shifts to show that the boy is wearing a brown Nazi uniform and lifts his hand in the Nazi straight arm salute. One by one, nearly all guests in the beer garden (except a bewildered old man) get up and join in the singing and saluting - evidently out of social pressure rather than any physical coercion, which is clearly not used.

"Tomorrow Belongs To Me" - Oliver Collignon as Nazi youth (singing voice provided by Mark Lambert)

re: #231 RTLM

... The idea of Bill Clinton wandering the "Halls of Power" (for 4 years) with absolutely nothing to do is hilarious.

He would find something to do ... er ... or, something to do him.

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

There are no words.....

Sarah Palin has energized the Republican base. Dropping her would keep the base at home. It will never happen. McCain/Palin 08!

re: #51 obscured by clouds

Totally OT and I'm sure it's been posted previously but you've got to see this: Cult-like children sing for Obama. As if I'm not stressed/creeped out about this election as it is. This takes creepiness and throws it over the edge, imo.

A couple of observations. First the equipment was high end. Venice CA - I'm guessing the "freinds house" was connected to the entertainment industry somehow.

Second, don't assume the parents or kids all agree to this drivel. Some of them may just think its "really neat" their kids were asked to be in the video.

When I was in high school our band director was called in the middle of the night by the Superintendant who was informed that the band was needed for a Mondale appearance at a local political rally. We went and dutifly played "Happy days are here again" and a couple of other crowd rousing songs. My director was a staunch Republican and so were many of the kids families. You should have seen the look on his face when a volunteer pinned a Mondale/Ferraro button on his jacket.

Having said that this does remind me of a granola twist on the creepy Hamas kindergaten videos. Lots of aged hippies and their offspring.

re: #197 jorline

The main reason this scenario won't work is that Hillary and Bill would have to buy into it.

I still think H&B are voting for McCain and will be on the 2012 campaign trail starting November 5, 2008

Spot on analysis Jorline! The Clintons don't even want to share power with each other let alone with BO. Plus the fact that if (G*d forbid) BO wins they will have to wait until 2016 to run again. If he loses they get run in 2012. If I had to wager I'd bet that The Clintons are doing everything they can to see that BO loses- in fact I think it will be interesting to see what kind of "October Surprise" they have up their sleeves for BO.

Hopefully it's something really nasty :-).

re: #238 lurking faith

After all, if 0bama wins this election, Rezko could hope for a pardon.

Rezko holds out hope for the witness protection program. He spills his guts on the Chicago machine and he'll wind up in a wood chipper.

#239 Thanks, ErnieG.

re: #176 Excaliber

It is within possibility . After all , there is now talk of Palin getting dropped from the ticket , therefore if the Democrats drop Biden and pick up Hillary Clinton , that's checkmate for any McCain plans to drop Palin .
Gonna be real interesting on who makes the first move .

McCain will not drop Palin. Even with the vicious Lefty attacks, she remains wildly popular.

re: #242 Sharmuta

Sarah Palin has energized the Republican base. Dropping her would keep the base at home. It will never happen. McCain/Palin 08!

And besides, McCain may change his mind, over time, but he isn't the type of man (sic) who will cut and run.

#215 lawhawk

One other thing to keep in mind. If this does happen, and I'm giving it extremely low odds, what does it say about Obama's search committee, and their decision making abilities, to say nothing of Obama's own decision making?...

He's flexible. A true man of understanding.

gag

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Meat must be rationed to four portions a week, says report on climate change

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

re: #176 Excaliber
I don't see McCain dropping Palin from the ticket. The talk about it happening has all come from the admitted leftists and the MSM - and if they are hoping for it to happen, then obviously McCain would have to be a fool to do it.

B. O. is not going make Hillary his running mate, not no way, not no how. Hillary has too much baggage. There's about 200 lbs. of it and its name is Bill.

re: #235 Excaliber

#194 do you get all your info from links ? Read the newspapers .Listen to the candidates words .

Palin's a liability unless she can prove otherwise in the debate coming up , Biden's no better , a blabbermouth with an uncontrollable "tendency " to say THE WRONG THINGS . Truth is ,they're both liabilities , and both vulnerable .

As we draw closer to the Election , the numbers are not reassuring for either candidate , drastic times usually produce drastic measures , and both have a good coverall to make such changes be less noticed , for there is that large black cloud of the Economy , which will overshadow everything .

LOL....I think this will give new meaning to "taking off the gloves " .

Oh.....O.K.....

The Venusians will be invading Earth on October 10th at approximately 3:00 pm EST. You might want to collect some supplies....

I heard that somewhere....

If we were to take this seriously, few things would demean the position more than for a presidential candidate to choose a draft pick to be named later as its vice president. But, as we have observed, the 0bama thing has no respect for the Constitution. At the same time, few things would further give the impression of venality than for such a move to be made under any ginned-up circumstances. But, venality, thy name is 0. And obviously the 0bama thing feels that victory is a certainty, and that nothing can hurt it.
But the real deal killer, I think, is simply that Hillary accepts a back seat from no one.

Rush cites Glenn Reynolds as "running LGF"
WTF?

re: #250 CommonSense

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Meat must be rationed to four portions a week, says report on climate change

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Hot Dogs don't really count as meat do they (or food for that matter)?

Why, why call in Hillary after all those lovely, supporting comments via Slick Willy?
Michelle Obama would have a cow!
This is not going to happen because these people are running around thinking it is over and they are winning, WITH JOE! The NYT had an article about how they are thinking they are going to win in a landslide. WITHOUT the Clintons and with the Clintons aiming their guns at Obama.
This is just lunacy!

#243 DaddyG

...Second, don't assume the parents or kids all agree to this drivel. Some of them may just think its "really neat" their kids were asked to be in the video....

Two words: stage mothers

Back when Gore was running against Bush, our son was a Children's Miracle Network kid because of what he survived when he was 11. The hospital regularly called for him to be present at press conferences, functions - anything promoting CHLA or children's health. Well, we got a call for him to sit on stage with AlGore, who would be speaking on "insuring our children".

We declined.

re: #222 big L

171 gearhead-- your lips to G_d's ears-- What the GOP needs a hatchetman or woman to go out and evsierate the donks.

Amen. Who was the guy Reagan had - Atwater? Schmidt needs to get ruthless.

The DNS is simply trying to use the same strategy on her they used on Quayle. The Couric interview didn't help.

I don't think McCain is so untethered as to bow to pressure to dump her. Obama's not going to dump Biden either - what he dumps are his stances on issues. I have a friend who attended the big AIPAC conference in D.C. where he proclaimed his support for Israel, then reversed the next day for an different audience.

re: #253 eschew_obfuscation

I think I saw that article too, or maybe a hint on a thread last night. Foil and duck tape for the Self Protection Shield was the key components.

My brother in law owns a website that sells republican stuff - bumper stickers, shirts, hats, jewlery, etc. He has been so overwhelmed since Palin was announced, my father and stepmother have been going over to help pack and ship as well as a few temp employees. I've enlisted my 17 year old to go be slave labor. One of the biggest sellers? A pink Palin shirt...

If anyone is gonna get dumped its Caribou Barbie ... duhhhhh

This sort of nonsense happens when journalists are paid by the word and can't think of anything substantive to write about. The kids gotta' eat and baby needs new shoes.

re: #261 GZLives

If anyone is gonna get dumped its Caribou Barbie ... duhhhhh

Well, that was certainly stupid, care to try again?

re: #83 Honorary Yooper

What is it about Obama that makes these moonbats worship him? Not just want him in as President, but out-and-out worship?

It is a religious transference - some people find their connection to the Divine catalyzed for them by the iconic power of the Cross, the mantra, or the Star of David. Ironically Dems see Obama as pure, sacred, and free of human failings. This kind of human totem evokes an overwhelming trance state of the ultimate high or samhadi for his followers; focuses all their energy, hopes and dreams, erases all past sins and negativity. In narrative terms, for Democrats, Obama embodies the secular version of a Christmas redemption story.

I got the 'Biden drops out, replaced by the Hill' email several weeks and it scared the living daylights out of me but it is close to Halloween and I took it as a seasonal scare forgetting it is also election season too. Still, the characters behind the demo-characters could stoop to pull it off. I would be sick, sick, sick but not totally surprised.