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Creepy Video of the Day: Obama Youth

Video | Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:38:23 am PDT

The person who posted this video at YouTube is apparently proud of it, and has no idea how completely creepy it is.

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1 vxbush  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:40:27am

usually such children choirs are led by an adult, especially when hand motions are involved. So somewhere off camera is an adult, leading this.

2 Pastorius  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:40:48am

Suffer the children ...

3 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:41:10am

Creepy in a Nazi youth kind of way.............

4 dpwelch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:41:39am

Obama? Spread freedom? Gag...

5 bulwrk  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:42:27am

re: #3 doriangrey

Creepy in a Nazi youth kind of way.............

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
Adolf Hitler

6 vxbush  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:42:57am

re: #1 vxbush

usually such children choirs are led by an adult, especially when hand motions are involved. So somewhere off camera is an adult, leading this.

Whoops, stopped the video too soon. Someone is front and center, about 50 seconds in. How old is she?

7 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:00am

One of my ears is bleeding a little bit.

8 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:00am

Q: How do you tell the difference between an Obamaton and Loyal North Korean?

A: One is starved of food, the other is starved of common sense.

9 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:02am

re: #3 doriangrey

Creepy in a Nazi youth kind of way.............

I was thinking, more like Mao worship.

10 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:10am

even without speakers, it is creepy

11 RTLM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:12am

Kim Jong Il would be proud.

12 shibumi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:17am

re: #3 doriangrey

Creepy in a Nazi youth kind of way.............

Creepy Nazi youth + religious cult = Youth for Obama!

13 BrianA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:44:10am

The Obamajungden

14 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:44:36am

re: #6 vxbush

Whoops, stopped the video too soon. Someone is front and center, about 50 seconds in. How old is she?

There's also a pretty creepy old guy petting on a tribal-type drum.

15 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:44:56am

This is extremely creepy, IMHO. I found it via Drudge first.

16 Mambo Bananapatch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:45:12am

This isn't creepy; Barney the Dinosaur is creepy. This is appalling.

17 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:45:41am

Why aren't those kids wearing brown shirts?

This is child abuse.

18 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:09am

Why do I get the image of those bumper-stickers that say "MY CHILD COULD WHIP YOUR HONOR-STUDENT'S ASS"?

19 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:13am

ooooh-bama
Hey bama bama bama oh bama
Hey bama oh-bama
Hey OB, OB won't you smile at me?
bama oh-bama
Hey Superstar

20 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:18am

re: #1 vxbushits the Asian woman

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:47am

God, what a bunch of losers.

22 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:59am

The fascists in France had blue shirts.

/Just sayin'.

23 Pyrocles  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:04am

And the reason Bill Ayers is a professor of education.

re: #5 bulwrk

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
Adolf Hitler

24 vxbush  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:10am

re: #20 Eowyn2

its the Asian woman

Right. How old is she? She doesn't look over 20 to me.

25 SummerSong  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:14am

re: #1 vxbush

usually such children choirs are led by an adult, especially when hand motions are involved. So somewhere off camera is an adult, leading this.

She's not off camera, she's right there in front of the kids.

26 rhythman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:17am

we're in serious trouble. I know, from working in the schools here in California, that children are being told that Obama is "the One".
And, have you been reading the latest columns about "what happens if He loses"? Are we supposed to just give up because some racists out there are claiming there'll be a revolution if BHO loses?
This video is sickening.

27 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:18am

re: #5 bulwrk

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
Adolf Hitler

"And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea. "
-Mark 9:41

BO would do well to leave the children alone- I'm sure Mr. Hitler could affirm that for him.

28 SpringheelJack  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:20am

The video was used as a launching point for this video, which drives the point home

29 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:20am

re: #19 spidly

ooooh-bama
Hey bama bama bama oh bama
Hey bama oh-bama
Hey OB, OB won't you smile at me?
bama oh-bama
Hey Superstar

Have the rocks begun to sing yet?

30 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:29am

Indoctrinating children that feel good emotion will solve all the world's problems, including their own. It's almost criminal.

31 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:32am

I sent side by sides of that and the Hitler Youth singing to everyone I know.

It's more than creepy. We are looking directly into the eyes of the beast.

32 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:37am

You Hottentots! HOW DARE YOU MOCK! You'd just love to watch all those kids cry. Bastards. Obama is going to win, for them.

33 livfreeordie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:41am

My guess: Unitarian "Sunday School" indoctrination. Anyone know?

34 soccerdad  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:13am

umm...spreading freedom? Obama? I know this country needs a shot of something, but last time I looked , we were pretty damn free. Am I missing something?

Or is that the double speak of which they speak? i.e. use the words freedom when you actually mean 'freedom from having to make those choices on how to live your life?'

Man -- I am getting SOOOOO worried about our country that this kind of shit can go on and NO ONE in the MSM will bat an eye at it.
Is this how Hitler got elected?

35 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:26am

re: #29 scottishbuzzsaw

Have the rocks begun to sing yet?

No, but I heard a tree say "there is a Jew behind me."

36 jrhelgeson  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:28am

Wow, imagine if someone did that for McCain/Palin ticket. People would be unhinged. Even moreso with Bush. THis is the kind of crap you see coming out of North Korea, where they sing praise to their LEADER not to their Country.

I'll bet vital body parts that these kids couldn't sing or have probably never sung God Bless America! Can they recite the pledge of allegiance?

Wow... just. wow.

37 vxbush  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:32am

re: #31 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I sent side by sides of that and the Hitler Youth singing to everyone I know.

It's more than creepy. We are looking directly into the eyes of the beast.

You might want to post links to the Hitler video, so people can understand what we're talking about. (Those who would otherwise have no clue, I mean.)

38 runrabbitrun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:36am

One viewing of this so makes me want to wake up! and VOTE - for McCain/Palin - that if I didn't know exactly how crazy and unconnected to reality mommy & daddy moonbats can be, I'd suspect this was made by the RNC.

39 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:38am

The only flute player they could find was a white guy?

40 SummerSong  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:45am

Where did this take place? Looks like a school library.

41 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:46am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God, what a bunch of losers.

I feel so sorry for little kids who are being taught that it is 'normal' to revere a political personality.

42 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:48am

Jumping Jeehosiphats!

This is what happens when adults are so deeply brainwashed into a cult they start projecting their wackiness onto children. A little creepy, bust mostly shameful.

43 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:49am
44 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:49:03am

Children are not political propaganda tools. It's one thing to stick them in a t-shirt and take them to a rally, but this.... This is brainwashing.

45 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:49:38am
46 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:49:38am

Looks and sounds just exactly like Vacation Bible School. Absolutely appalling!

47 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:49:54am

The song also sucked- sounded like noise, and and the flute gave me a headache.

48 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:04am

Obama is my lodestar!


Is that a problem?

49 jokono  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:04am

That song they're singing -- that's what's commonly referred to as a worship hymn. Sing praise to the Dalibama.

I think I'm going to yak.

50 BrianA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:07am

PIMFre: #13 BrianA

The Obamajungden

sorry, Obamajugend

PIMF

51 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:18am

This is sick. There are parents in the audience smiling about this.

Anyone able to figure out who the East Asian looking woman is who is leading the chior?

52 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:20am

Obama's spreading freedom and change...
Using children who are strange.

53 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:21am

the fix is in in Ohio

vanloads of "voters" being trucked around as we speak

54 Zippy_Slug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:41am

Mao would be proud..

55 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:44am

Happy New Year, Ploome.

56 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:50:56am

re: #30 ciaospirit

Indoctrinating children that feel good emotion will solve all the world's problems, including their own. It's almostshould be criminal.

57 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:00am
58 mean Gene  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:04am

Is the songleader the same woman who conducted the protestors in Zombie's ''Anatomy of a Photograph?"
Creepy doesn't begin to describe this.
And now I'll never look at IKEA bookcases the same again!

59 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:09am

re: #17 JammieWearingFool

Why aren't those kids wearing brown shirts?

This is child abuse.

Blue is the new brown. Obama is NOT a god, it is wrong in the United States of America to worship any political figure. This is precisely the reason that George Washington refused to be King!

60 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:11am

re: #16 Mambo Bananapatch

This isn't creepy; Barney the Dinosaur is creepy. This is appalling.

No, not appalling. It is sickening. These kids have no idea how they are being exploited. The adult or adults who conjured this up should be called on the rug for this. But I bet dollars to donuts the parents of each one of these kids is a bloody, raging moonbat extraordinaire. These people are evil.

61 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:14am

And Jesus Camp is something to worry about?

George Orwell, could you even comprehend that FREE people would submit themselves to fascism?

62 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:16am

Just imagining that would still be creepy if it were a candidate I supported. Even one I really, really, REALLY supported. Yup, still creepy.

It is clearly a religious service, and the children taught to worship the new savior: NotBush.

63 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:24am

Obama supporters - the 'cult' of personality.

64 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:27am

re: #31 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I sent side by sides of that and the Hitler Youth singing to everyone I know.

It's more than creepy. We are looking directly into the eyes of the beast.

Someone need to make a video that flashes back and forth between those two videos.............................

65 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:34am
66 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:34am

Ode to Obama
by the Venice, Non-Aborted Fetus Choir.

67 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:36am

Good evening, and it's time for me to vent.

I am starting to suspect this economic crisis, regardless of whether it is all the horrific the media makes it out to be, may give Obama that boost to help him edge out McCain. CNN International just now pointing out conservatives criticizing Palin.

Quoting the just-late Paul Newman, "Just as things look their darkest, they go black."

/and you never go back...

68 loppyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:39am
69 saberry0530  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:47am

re: #39 Peacekeeper

Ian Anderson? (Jethro Tull)

70 vxbush  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:04am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Children are not political propaganda tools. It's one thing to stick them in a t-shirt and take them to a rally, but this.... This is brainwashing.

And they would claim that sending them to church every Sunday or to synagogue every Shabbat against their will is also brainwashing.

Let's be truthful: we do choose what our children will believe. We view what our political opposites do as horrid indoctrination. But while their indoctrination causes their children to believe in fairies, ours prepares our children to deal with the real world and its consequences.

71 jorline  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:12am

I just posted this on the previous thread...looks like the Hamas kids...where's Mickey?

72 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:14am

This could lead to a really spooky Stephen King novel. Oh, wait. Isn't he a moonbat?

73 DeafDog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:14am

I overwhelm as I approach you
Make your lungs hold breath inside!
Lovers break caresses for me
Love enhanced when I've gone by.

You'll feel me coming,
A new vibration
From afar you'll see me
I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation.

They worship me and all I touch
Hazy eyed they catch my glance,
Pleasant shudders shake their senses
My warm momentum throws their stance.

You'll feel me coming
A new vibration
From afar you'll see me
I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation.

Soon you'll see me, can't you feel me
I'm coming …
Send your troubles dancing I know the answer
I'm coming … I'm coming …
I'm a sensation.

I leave a trail of rooted people
Mesmerized by just the sight,
The few I touched now are disciples
Love as One I Am the Light …

74 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:18am

Sorta kinda repost: I kept expecting them to burst into "Tomorrow Belongs To Me".

75 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:19am
76 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:44am

OR linked to this earlier in reference to this video:

77 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:48am
78 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:52:49am

re: #73 DeafDog

I overwhelm as I approach you
Make your lungs hold breath inside!
Lovers break caresses for me
Love enhanced when I've gone by.

You'll feel me coming,
A new vibration
From afar you'll see me
I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation.

They worship me and all I touch
Hazy eyed they catch my glance,
Pleasant shudders shake their senses
My warm momentum throws their stance.

You'll feel me coming
A new vibration
From afar you'll see me
I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation.

Soon you'll see me, can't you feel me
I'm coming …
Send your troubles dancing I know the answer
I'm coming … I'm coming …
I'm a sensation.

I leave a trail of rooted people
Mesmerized by just the sight,
The few I touched now are disciples
Love as One I Am the Light …

we're not gonna take it

79 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:00am

re: #47 Sharmuta

The song also sucked- sounded like noise, and and the flute gave me a headache.

The flute was an amazing touch. I can't voice the disdain I have for those people or say where the flute was most likely pulled from or returned to.

80 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:06am

re: #17 JammieWearingFool

Why aren't those kids wearing brown shirts?

This is child abuse.

If this were some production to raise awareness or money for some non-governmental organization most of us would probably not have a problem with it. And as much as I find the entirety of Obama's beliefs absolutely wrong minded. I only see some misguided empty headed Obamatons with nothing worthwhile to do, trying to do something.

81 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:09am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

Sorta kinda repost: I kept expecting them to burst into "Tomorrow Belongs To Me".

Whoops...sorry for the repeat...

82 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:11am

re: #57 ploome hineni

vacation bible school is appalling?

lol

No. Not at all. But at Vacation Bible School the kiddies are studying the Bible and worshiping Jesus - VBS is a Protestant thing.

It is appalling that Obama is literally being worshipped as a religious figure, literally the Messiah.

83 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #36 jrhelgeson

THis is the kind of crap you see coming out of North Korea, where they sing praise to their LEADER not to their Country.

You may have put your finger on exactly why it is creepy.

84 Drill_Thrawl  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:26am

It's not creepy, it's down right scary.

85 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:30am

re: #66 Peacekeeper

Ode to Obama
by the Venice, Non-Aborted Fetus Choir.

AKA "The Singing 'Punishments'"

86 DeafDog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:31am

re: #78 spidly

we're not gonna take it


We never did and never will!

87 NR Pax  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:32am

No please; tell me how we Conservative types brainwash people and are closed minded. I'd love to hear more.

/

88 seekeroftruth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:33am

Is this coming to public schools should Obama get in as President/Dear Leader?
///

89 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:44am

I kept looking for Saraah and Nahoul

90 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:18am

re: #60 Gang of One

No, not appalling. It is sickening. These kids have no idea how they are being exploited. The adult or adults who conjured this up should be called on the rug for this. But I bet dollars to donuts the parents of each one of these kids is a bloody, raging moonbat extraordinaire. These people are evil.

There are far too many kids there for the number of adults shown. I wonder if all the parents of those kids know what is going on?

91 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:23am

re: #77 ploome hineni

They're some of the cutest non-aborted fetuses I've ever seen.

92 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:23am

Sun Beam, a Sun Beam,

Obama wants me for a Sun Beam...

/ shudder...

93 ugh!  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:32am

Wandel Jugend!

94 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:33am

re: #45 ploome hineni

:D

happy new year. y'all

I'm trying to get this right:

Shana tov!

If I am wrong, and I just cursed your mother forgive me, but all the best of the new year to you and the rest of the Jewish lizardim.

95 Wishing  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:37am

...so much for seperation of church and state

96 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:41am

Eric Raymond predicted this three months ago.

Now you know why I call him "The Fascist Tool Barack Obama."

97 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:42am

re: #37 vxbush

You might want to post links to the Hitler video, so people can understand what we're talking about. (Those who would otherwise have no clue, I mean.)

No problemo...
here

98 Ezekiel2517  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:47am

This is as chilling as the Farfur the jew-hating mouse videos produced by Hamas.

99 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:48am

"Cult of Personality" By Living Colour

100 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:49am

re: #79 coquimbojoe

The flute was an amazing touch. I can't voice the disdain I have for those people or say where the flute was most likely pulled from or returned to.

This one time, in band camp...

101 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:04am

re: #85 Occasional Reader

AKA "The Singing 'Punishments'"

Or the "Von Trapped By Children Family Singers"?

102 loppyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:08am

DOW up 270

103 Edgar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:33am

Weird: yes.

Creepy: not really.

But definitely pretty frigging weird...

104 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:38am
105 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:42am

re: #69 saberry0530

Ian Anderson? (Jethro Tull)

Ron Burgundy (Stay classy San Diego).

106 splendid confusion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:43am

Wow. When there's a herd of kids at my house, they all want to play video games and eat snacks. NEVER once have they broken into song about about a political candidate.

107 arethusa  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:51am

Even commenters on YouTube, who usually seem mostly pro-Obama, appear to find the video disgusting.

108 AuntAcid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:55:57am

...to be followed by Kool-Aid and cookies.

109 razorbacker  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:10am

Don't worry about the cute little nippers singing. You can get a group of kids to sing just about anything.

The folks applauding in the background, they're the ones that worry me.

Gonna be a rough couple of months.

110 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:14am

The CHinese Olympic choir's got nothin on us.

111 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:20am

Shug Jr would look great standing in the corner refusing to sing and wearing his McCain Palin hat.

112 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:23am

After watching this can anyone dispute the 'Messiah' image Obama has worked so hard to cultivate? This is so chilling, and very, VERY creepy.

113 vxbush  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:26am

I think we need a shot of Dear leader....no, wait! FEARLESS LEADER!

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:28am
115 Zippy_Slug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:47am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

Hmm.. I see some similarities in there..

116 saberry0530  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:52am

re: #105 coquimbojoe

Ron Burgundy (Stay classy San Diego).


HE could play a technical piece, but had no soul!

117 bosforus  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:56:55am

I think I found the explanation for the video and mentality from the poster's comments.

...children don't know about political issues, and for me, that's the point, they are our teachers

Yup, that's the point.

118 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:00am

re: #100 Honorary Yooper

Hiya Yoop! You posted something great this am, I forget what it was, but thanks!

119 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:02am

Announcement on Fox about the pirated ship in Somalia

120 flyovercountry  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:07am

This video is more than creepy, it is downright disturbing. Fellow people of the Jewish faith, I hope you are paying careful attention. This should seem more than a little familiar.

121 BrianA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:08am
122 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:08am

re: #51 Honorary Yooper

This is sick. There are parents in the audience smiling about this.

Anyone able to figure out who the East Asian looking woman is who is leading the chior?

i am getting the vibe that I have seen her in protest vids.

123 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:20am

re: #68 loppyd

New McCain ad:

And the starring role goes to.......Bubba!

Powerful! Round the clock airing needed.

124 loppyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:30am

re: #105 coquimbojoe

Ron Burgundy (Stay classy San Diego).

I will not have my first newscast be about a cat fashion show.

125 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:38am

All together now!

"Yes, we can can can. Yes, we can can. Yes, we can can caaaaaan"

126 warlock  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:41am

So, that is what a sheeple farm looks like.

I think I know why there is liberal indoctrination of the youth. It is because if the students were taught to think critically and come to their own conclusions, there would be a lot fewer liberals. So, the libs have to resort to brainwashing instead.

This scene reminds me of a madrasa. I wonder if there was hatred toward conservatives and/or republicans and /or the US when the camera was turned off?

127 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:48am

re: #102 loppyd

DOW up 270

285

128 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:49am
129 allahakchew  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:26am

Hitler youth-Obama youth

130 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:31am

re: #127 galloping granny

285

Now up over 300

131 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:40am

re: #67 lazardo

Good evening, and it's time for me to vent.

I am starting to suspect this economic crisis, regardless of whether it is all the horrific the media makes it out to be, may give Obama that boost to help him edge out McCain. CNN International just now pointing out conservatives criticizing Palin.

That's exactly what's going on. If this were a depression threat crisis, Congress wouldn't have gone on vacation for two days. Nor would the stock market have hit an upswing today compared to yesterday. Obama is having a field day here in Ohio with his ads on the economy. And I'm about sick of the Republican pundits who are blaming both sides equally. This is absolutely the result of Democrats and their minority pandering.

132 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:44am

Whoever did the lyrical translation from the original Korean did a really good job.

133 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:47am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

Sorta kinda repost: I kept expecting them to burst into "Tomorrow Belongs To Me".

GMTA.

I doubt they'd get the reference. They'd probably stand with pride and endorse the whole song.

134 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:53am

re: #117 bosforus

Exactly! We should learn from the ignorant.

/

It explains so much of the moonbat mindset.

135 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:53am

re: #60 Gang of One

No, not appalling. It is sickening. These kids have no idea how they are being exploited. The adult or adults who conjured this up should be called on the rug for this. But I bet dollars to donuts the parents of each one of these kids is a bloody, raging moonbat extraordinaire. These people are evil.


of course the parents are barking. Any normal thoughtwave person would have pulled their kid from the show and raised hell.

136 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:05am

re: #126 warlock

So, that is what a sheeple farm looks like.

I think I know why there is liberal indoctrination of the youth. It is because if the students were taught to think critically and come to their own conclusions, there would be a lot fewer liberals. So, the libs have to resort to brainwashing instead.

This scene reminds me of a madrasa. I wonder if there was hatred toward conservatives and/or republicans and /or the US when the camera was turned off?


Yeah, none of my conservative friends hang out singing about low taxes and small government.

This is their RELIGION, and they need their PROPHETS.

137 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:08am

re: #117 bosforus

Hey Bos, was up in Happy Valley all last week I miss it there. How are things

138 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:11am

re: #90 galloping granny

There are far too many kids there for the number of adults shown. I wonder if all the parents of those kids know what is going on?

Good question, GG. But I would think that getting them into those t-shirts, getting them into that room, having rehearsed them, surely that would have come to the attention of the parents? I suspect thses little ones are there because Mommy is a Democrat, and Daddy Has a Roommate.

139 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:14am

re: #70 vxbush

And they would claim that sending them to church every Sunday or to synagogue every Shabbat against their will is also brainwashing.

Let's be truthful: we do choose what our children will believe. We view what our political opposites do as horrid indoctrination. But while their indoctrination causes their children to believe in fairies, ours prepares our children to deal with the real world and its consequences.

True- they have a right to teach their children what they want. And for the sake of these children's future, it is incumbent upon us to teach them the value of the real world. We must defeat 0bama if these children are ever going to stand a chance. ;p

140 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:15am

re: #125 Silhouette

All together now!

"Yes, we can can can. Yes, we can can. Yes, we can can caaaaaan"

do we have to do the kicks?

141 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:16am

re: #129 allahakchew

Hitler youth-Obama youth

The man is a liberal fascist, as are his followers.

142 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:18am

re: #117 bosforus

......children don't know about political issues, and for me, that's the point, they are our teachers

If only I had three arms, because two just aren't enough.

143 USA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:19am

re: #68 loppyd

New McCain ad:

And the starring role goes to.......Bubba!

Best McCain ad to date IMO.

144 Ackomanyuki  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

Sorta kinda repost: I kept expecting them to burst into "Tomorrow Belongs To Me".

Hail Skeezer!

145 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:42am

re: #73 DeafDog

Tommy: Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
And I became aware this year

If you want to follow me,
You've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
Put on your eyeshades
You know where to put the caulk

Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must

Guests:
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it

We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take it
Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still

Tommy: Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.

Guests:
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it

We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take you
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.

Tommy:
See me.
Feel me.
Touch me.
Heal me.

Listening to you,
I get the music.
Gazing at you,
I get the heat.
Following you,
I climb the mountains.
I get excitement at your feet.

Right behind you,
I see the millions.
On you,
I see the glory.
From you,
I get opinions.
From you,
I get the story.

146 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:49am

For a second there, I thought I was watching "Children of the Corn: The Musical".

147 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:52am

Maybe going on break is what is making the DOW go up.

Let's see...if we suspended Congress for 360 days a year...(doing the math).....

148 allahakchew  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:59:58am

re: #28 SpringheelJack

The video was used as a launching point for this video, which drives the point home

Wow

149 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:04am

re: #104 ploome hineni

they are real cute, as long as they are quiet

/whatever happened to "children should be seen and not heard"

those Victorians sure had it right

The Campaign needs to pull women back in the fold, singing kids led by little white girl attempts to do this. Or polls show urban moms find her an attractive figure and make them think of their own children. This is reinforced by the strategic placement of non threatening black children into the group, where they stand out but are all singing her tune.

150 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:11am

re: #135 Eowyn2

Not when it's in Venice, California.

/the initial title gave a hint...

151 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:14am

Proof that the Left will even place their children astraddle the road to further their communist/socialist agenda. Reminds me of something you would expect to see in North Korea.

152 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:19am

"We're gonna spread happiness
we're gonna spread freedom"

[shudder]

Okay, little girl, two things: 1) It is not the President's job to "spread happiness". His job is to help enable OUR individual pursuit of happiness. 2) Obama is quite adamant is maintaining that we won't do a damn thing to "spread freedom".

153 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:21am

re: #26 rhythman

we're in serious trouble. I know, from working in the schools here in California, that children are being told that Obama is "the One".
And, have you been reading the latest columns about "what happens if He loses"? Are we supposed to just give up because some racists out there are claiming there'll be a revolution if BHO loses?
This video is sickening.

Sometimes it is necessary to "thin the herd".

154 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:32am

re: #126 warlock

So, that is what a sheeple farm looks like.

I think I know why there is liberal indoctrination of the youth. It is because if the students were taught to think critically and come to their own conclusions, there would be a lot fewer liberals. So, the libs have to resort to brainwashing instead.

This scene reminds me of a madrasa. I wonder if there was hatred toward conservatives and/or republicans and /or the US when the camera was turned off?

I don't know if you've ever visited Zombie's site, but about a year ago he caught a pic of some parents at some SF or Berkeley demo playing Pin The Molotov Cocktail on the Pigmobile. I am not kidding you - that is exactly what the "game" says.

155 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:37am

My comments from an earlier posting of this vid (with slight updates)...

A couple of observations. First the equipment was high end and the location looks pretty pricey too. Given Venice CA - I'm guessing the "freind's house" was connected to the entertainment industry somehow.

Second, don't assume the parents or kids all agree to this drivel. Some of them may just think its "really neat" their kids were asked to be in the video.

When I was in high school our band director was called in the middle of the night by the Superintendant who was informed that the band was needed for a Mondale appearance at a local political rally. We went and dutifly played "Happy days are here again" and a couple of other crowd rousing songs. My director was a staunch Republican and so were many of the kids families. You should have seen the look on his face when a volunteer pinned a Mondale/Ferraro button on his jacket.

Having said that this does remind me of a granola twist on the creepy Hamas kindergaten videos. Lots of aged hippies and their offspring.

156 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:40am

re: #117 bosforus

I think I found the explanation for the video and mentality from the poster's comments.

Yup, that's the point.


My son's telling me about two of his professors at J.U.
But this is indoctrination at the grade school ......
I think I'll pass on lunch today!
"Pray for the children" just gained a whole new meaning!
And, It's not good!

157 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:49am

Put a Pillar of Evil up next to them, spray-paint "GWB" and "USA" on it, and watch them go nuts trying to find rocks to throw at it.

158 BrianA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:01:26am

World leaders look to US for salvation as economies near abyss

Anyone but me find some irony in this AFP headline?

159 bosforus  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:01:33am

re: #137 coquimbojoe

Things are just peachy. Parents and parents-in-law are coming up for conference weekend so it should be a jolly good time.

160 quickjustice  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:01:37am

Indoctrinating youth through communist Youth Leagues was a fixture in communist countries. Cuba and China still have them. China culls out its brightest kids for fast-tracking into the Communist Party.

And mandating "public service projects" for youth will be Obama's entree to creating the same kind of youth organization here.

161 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #103 Edgar

Weird: yes.

Creepy: not really.

But definitely pretty frigging weird...

If this were a bunch of kiddies singing the praises of Bush, his policies and his candidacy back in 2000 or '04, would you sing the same song?

/didn't think so.

162 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:03am

re: #117 bosforus

I think I found the explanation for the video and mentality from the poster's comments.


...children don't know about political issues, and for me, that's the point, they are our teachers
Yup, that's the point.

Rrrriiight, so I guess the kids in the video all just spontaneously decided to lovingly follow Obama, and then convinced the adults...

163 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:06am

re: #145 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Oh, I thought you guys meant....

164 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:13am

re: #152 Occasional Reader

"We're gonna spread happiness
we're gonna spread freedom"

[shudder]

Okay, little girl, two things: 1) It is not the President's job to "spread happiness". His job is to help enable OUR individual pursuit of happiness. 2) Obama is quite adamant is maintaining that we won't do a damn thing to "spread freedom".

It is a lot of spreading...she may have Obama confused with Bill Clinton.

165 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:22am

Picture that little girl...
Deutchland, Deutchland uber alles,
Uber alles in der welt...

166 crashnburn  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:56am

Only thing missing were the pictures of "The Dear Leader" everywhere. I couldn't imagine forcing one of my children to learn and perform such drivel.

167 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:58am

Let a million flowers bloom.

/or whichever number Mao used

168 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:58am

The One will set us free from the chains of the NeoCons...

We will be free to be enlightened... Free to do whatever we wish to do... He will bring us to the light and show us the path...

The Obama will deliver us all to freedom... Just hop on board the bus...

169 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:03:30am

Some commenters pointed out the resemblance to "Tomorrow Belongs to Me," from Cabaret. I agree. I watched it and I was also reminded of a 60 Minutes piece, years ago, on Joe Slovo, the leader of the Communist Party of South Africa. There was one memorable scene showing a platoon of ANC rebels marching smartly down a road, singing their marching song, Joe Slovo Is Our Leader.

Unfortunately I have not been able to find a video of Joe Slovo Is Our Leader.

170 GGMac  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:04am

re: #112 twincitiesgirl

After watching this can anyone dispute the 'Messiah' image Obama has worked so hard to cultivate? This is so chilling, and very, VERY creepy.

This ought to scare the pee-waddin' out of any twit with half a brain - I'm surprised the mamas in the background didn't make the "O" with their hands and whoop "Heil".

*shivering* at the implications of the far-reaching obamamessiah machine.

171 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:07am

Rumor has it that after this video was shot, the Kids for McCain beat these kids up and took their lunch money.

172 dolfan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:08am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Children are not political propaganda tools. It's one thing to stick them in a t-shirt and take them to a rally, but this.... This is brainwashing.

Can you imagine how many times they practiced that crap for their recital?

173 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:12am

re: #151 maddogg

What the hell kind of shows do these kids get on cable, anyway?

174 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:16am

re: #158 BrianA

World leaders look to US for salvation as economies near abyss

Anyone but me find some irony in this AFP headline?

I thought we were too busy raping and pillaging the oppressed?

175 tubbyhubby  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:37am

Ours:
The foundation of our family political philosophy:
1) Love your country.
2) Hold your leaders accountable.

The one piece of advice given when it comes to voting: "Just because Dad starts walking across the street doesn't absolve you from looking both ways first."

Theirs:

You get the picture...if you use a funhouse mirror

176 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:59am

re: #158 BrianA

World leaders look to US for salvation as economies near abyss

Anyone but me find some irony in this AFP headline?

Nope. We are the trash under their feet until they need to be bailed out. Been happening all my life. For that matter, this has been an ongoing event since WWI.

178 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:05am

re: #160 quickjustice

Indoctrinating youth through communist Youth Leagues was a fixture in communist countries. Cuba and China still have them. China culls out its brightest kids for fast-tracking into the Communist Party.

And mandating "public service projects" for youth will be Obama's entree to creating the same kind of youth organization here.

Never forget: it was Democrats who forced Elián González into the Castro Youth.

179 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:20am

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Rumor has it that after this video was shot, the Kids for McCain beat these kids up and took their lunch money.

LOLOLOLOL!

If only. That kinda stuff could get them beaten up in church....

180 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:31am

Of course the Dow is up because Congress is away... The less they involve themselves in spreading socialism, the better off the free market is...

181 Pyrocles  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:52am

We are already attempting to spread freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama's (in)actions would usher in a return to totalitarianism in those nations.

re: #152 Occasional Reader

"We're gonna spread happiness
we're gonna spread freedom"

[shudder]

Okay, little girl, two things: 1) It is not the President's job to "spread happiness". His job is to help enable OUR individual pursuit of happiness. 2) Obama is quite adamant is maintaining that we won't do a damn thing to "spread freedom".

182 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:56am

re: #31 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I get exactly the feeling that we are looking into the eyes of the beast.

183 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:08am

re: #173 lazardo

What the hell kind of shows do these kids get on cable, anyway?


Thats what they watch on Saturday morning, over a heaping bowl of treebark flakes.

184 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:19am

The whole Bush=Hitler meme should be deader than a plastic turkey by now.

185 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:28am

re: #172 dolfan

Can you imagine how many times they practiced that crap for their recital?

Months. Ever go to a children's concert? They spend months learning one or two songs. And it's still atrocious. The flute player, however, has no excuse.

186 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:31am

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Rumor has it that after this video was shot, the Kids for McCain beat these kids up and took their lunch money.

No beating was required.

They simply asked if the Obama kids wanted to trade their old, ugly, wrinkled twenty dollar bills for some twice as many shiny, new, pretty pennies. Given the economic understanding of an average Obama supporter, even their parents were telling them, "Take it! That's two for one!"

187 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:32am

re: #131 ciaospirit

That's exactly what's going on. If this were a depression threat crisis, Congress wouldn't have gone on vacation for two days. Nor would the stock market have hit an upswing today compared to yesterday. Obama is having a field day here in Ohio with his ads on the economy. And I'm about sick of the Republican pundits who are blaming both sides equally. This is absolutely the result of Democrats and their minority pandering.

The market's been on a real Six-Flags Rollercoaster ride over the past few days. Over here, the Asian markets make it a point to "buy when there is blood on the streets."

Still, if they can focus on Republican division more than Obama-Clinton conflicts just long enough to get their man into the White House, then it'll all be downhill from there.

/different meanings for different people, of course.

188 greggriffith  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:36am

This is what the youth choir is like in Hell.

189 Dasher  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:56am

So the new Nazi's wear blue shirts SCARY

190 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:04am

I think a lot of liberals have a simple view of life. They think by evoking emotions and wishing for things they will happen. They don't realize the importance of ideas, so they short circuit the process and go right to some dream they have.

I think they believe Obama is for freedom, but the reality is quite the reverse. This is what happens when people are driven by emotions.

Well, you can dream all you want, but it's not going to build a sky scraper or cure a disease. Dreams are all good to inspire and push you along, but you have to actually discover how things work before you can change things for the better. That takes enormous serious effort usually over years and decades, depending upon the size of the challenge.

I know that this isn't true of all liberals. Some modern liberals are just corrupt nihilists.

191 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #165 Peacekeeper

Picture that little girl...
Deutchland, Deutchland uber alles,
Uber alles in der welt...

Watch carefully. You'll see something you might recognize in this.

192 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:21am

AAAARRRRGHHHH!

193 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:24am

After the main number was over, those kids were smiling tenuously, looking toward their parents, like they were hoping they'd done it right, looking for approval.

/I'd best bite my �%@$# tongue in half, or I'll get this comment deleted instantly.

194 GGMac  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:25am

re: #123 unrealizedviewpoint

Powerful! Round the clock airing needed.

Zowie! Go gettem', John!

195 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:41am

Loppy, Ploome, et al...

The CRISIS isn't over! No, it has to be real. The powerful have spoken in APOCALYPTIC tones about Depression, about GREAT DEPRESSION. Do you think that they are going to quit now?

Seriously what would happen to their credibility if the market healed itself?

George Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, John McCain, Barney Frank have all told us that we MUST hand over $700,000,000,000 right now. It's bigger than Partisanship fer crying out loud.

196 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:50am

re: #188 greggriffith

This is what the youth choir is like in Hell.

Where are the accordions?

197 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:55am

I says all I need to know about the left. They don't worship a supreme being, they worship some dumbass from Chicago.

198 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:56am

re: #168 tfc3rid

The One will set us free from the chains of the NeoCons...

We will be free to be enlightened... Free to do whatever we wish to do... He will bring us to the light and show us the path...

The Obama will deliver us all to freedom... Just hop on board the bus...

I've been watching homeless stats over the past few administrations. Ever notice how the number of homeless takes a significant jump shortly after a republican gets elected and how the same number disappears from both the press and government documents supposedly tracking the homeless?

199 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:56am

Children! Children!
Future! Future!
Children! Children!
Future! Future!

[dant daa daa da dada dada]

KIDS!

200 DJM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:08:16am

What's wrong with youth singing praises to their leaders?

HERE are some other examples.

Hitler youth, Communists, Fascist Islamists - all used indoctrinated children to spread their ideology.

201 runrabbitrun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:08:39am

If Obamessiah wins, November 4th might be designated the National Holiday in which tradition will dictate primary school observance pageants, in which the littlest, cutest child wins the role of placing the plaster figure of the savior Obama into the manger Oval Office...

202 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:08:53am

We must have the ret of the Citizens of the World like us again... The only way to make that happen is for us to see that we are too individualistic, too entrepeneurial (sp)... We must focus on being a collective society. One where the evil rich share with the good and decent poor. We must make citizens of those who are in the shadows... We must bring everyone together...

No more wars or funding for wars... no more military. The only reason other countries have them is becuase of us... Make love not war...

This is what we shall strive to be... This is what we must become to be enlightened... Only The One will show us the path home.

203 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:08:54am

re: #175 tubbyhubby

Ours:
The foundation of our family political philosophy:
1) Love your country.
2) Hold your leaders accountable.

The one piece of advice given when it comes to voting: "Just because Dad starts walking across the street doesn't absolve you from looking both ways first."

Theirs:

You get the picture...if you use a funhouse mirror


Also - our leaders are not divinely installed ... King George (the real one, from Britain) is not our king. Our leaders are elected.

They got the whole cult of personality down - the communist bust with the rays of light behind it, the catchy slogan, the patch ready emblem, adults and kids chanting, the 4th column, financial crisis as a catalyst for expanded government ... this is about as creepy as I have ever seen in American politics.

204 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #184 ErnieG

The whole Bush=Hitler meme should be deader than a plastic turkey by now.

When the true gods come, the false gods depart; when the true Hi... (etc. etc.)

205 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:05am

re: #191 galloping granny

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! *waving hand*

/Horshack

206 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:18am

Sure is a creepy video. Unfortunately, these sorts of wackos (or: their parents) will always be around.

207 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:30am

re: #186 Silhouette

No beating was required.

They simply asked if the Obama kids wanted to trade their old, ugly, wrinkled twenty dollar bills for some twice as many shiny, new, pretty pennies. Given the economic understanding of an average Obama supporter, even their parents were telling them, "Take it! That's two for one!"

Now, having realized their error, they've begged the McCain Kids to sit down with them, without preconditions.

208 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:34am

Dang it. I cant' watch video at work. Can anyone summarize for a fellow lizard?

209 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:34am

re: #188 greggriffith

This is what the youth choir is like in Hell.

I always though that in Hell we'd be forced to listen to the music we hated the most. My Hell would now be sprinkled with this song in between The Smiths and Morrissey.

210 AuldTrafford  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:09:55am

re: #121 BrianA

BUND DEUTSCHER MÄDEL IN DER HITLER-JUGEND (1930-1945)

Thank you. The kids in Barry's camp have already have a logo (on the wall in back of them; remember, the swastika was a pretty benign symbol when Hitler adopted it) and uniforms (T-shirts for now, what later?). And Barry has announced his intention to attack a current ally (Pakistan) once he's in office.

They'll soon be reporting their parents to the sheriffs in Missouri.

An old playbook, but a change for America.

211 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:13am

re: #189 Dasher

So the new Nazi's wear blue shirts SCARY

Blue is the new Brown.

212 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:21am

re: #208 NoSubmission

Dang it. I cant' watch video at work. Can anyone summarize for a fellow lizard?

Consider yourself lucky.

213 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:22am

"Now kids, what do you do if one of your classmates says his parents like McCain?"

"Kick them until they're down, and take their lunch money!"

"Thaaats right, very GOOD children!"

214 arethusa  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:23am

There's a kid's book out on Obama in which he speaks to Hope and God. (I find it even more disturbing that they speak back.) It sounds awful.

215 Wilderstad  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:25am

I couldn't get past the Obama = freedom lyric. I wanted to hurl.
I label this child abuse for political purposes.

216 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:31am

"Imagine Hope."

I've got a better idea. Imagine you're interviewing job applicants.

"So, if I hire you, what would be your plans to accomplish the tasks of the job?"

"I would hope."

217 RobCon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:32am

This reminds me of another stirring song.

218 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:50am

re: #201 runrabbitrun

If Obamessiah wins, November 4th might be designated the National Holiday in which tradition will dictate primary school observance pageants, in which the littlest, cutest child wins the role of placing the plaster figure of the savior Obama into the manger Oval Office...

The designated Little Cute Kid will also come out to give him a bouquet of flowers when he gets off the plane.

219 Ghostbuster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:57am

I have seen this on old Discovery TV programs about the Hitler Youth in 1938 Berlin. Maybe the Obama camp has decided to immitate history. Anyway, this is SICK!

220 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:10:59am

re: #209 Sharmuta

I always though that in Hell we'd be forced to listen to the music we hated the most. My Hell would now be sprinkled with this song in between The Smiths and Morrissey.

With some 1980s Chicago power ballads thrown in for good measure.

221 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:10am

HOPEfully someday under the leadership of Barack Obama our youth performances will rival those in the workers paradise of North Korea.

222 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:16am

Whew... I hit my head there a few minutes ago and blacked out... Holy crap... I was having a psychotic Liberal Fascist episode... LOL

223 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #151 maddogg

Or, G-d forbid, in nazi Germany. Yes, this is that bad, in the post-WWII era, and also reminiscent, as others have said, of N.Korea.

I am still shuddering. Read the comments; they give hope, and reading about the creator of this crap, by pulling down the list on the video? Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Let us not forget Cuba, the USSR, etc.

Those poor kids should be watched over by a child protection agency. Their parents are unfit.

Obama must be stopped. He just must be.

Anyone sitting on the fence re the election, that is, IIRC, 34 days away, please consider the video your wake-up call. McCain is the only viable candidate, warts and all. Would you want your children and grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc., brainwashed like this by the Manchurian candidate and his storm Troopers?!?!?!?!?!

224 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #183 maddogg

And I thought Captain Planet was greenie back in my day. Thankfully I used to enjoy cereal with a lot of Zionist brain-tampering chemicals sugar to help keep me from going completely eco-greenie.

/it was really bad around 8th grade, thought we'd all be gasping for clean air like fish out of water about now, but that's when it started kicking in.

225 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:25am

0bama kinderlied.

"...red and yellow, black and white
they are precious in His sight
0bama loves all the children of the w-o-rrr-l-d!"v

226 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:41am

I think the Lyrics are translated from the german. Here is the original:

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
S. A. marschiert mit mutig-festem Schritt.
Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit.

Die Straße frei den braunen Batallionen.
Die Straße frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann!
Es schaun aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!

Zum letzten Mal wird nun Appell geblasen!
Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit!
Bald flattern Hitlerfahnen über Barrikaden.
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig-festem Schritt.
Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit.


/sarc intentional

227 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:46am

Best way to bust up a moonbatfest; convince one of them to complain that when the camera focuses on the black kid, this is "neo-minstrelry" or some phrase along those lines. Then they dissolve into hysterical mutual recriminations.

228 kenprice  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:52am

Christ! This is straight out of North Korea! I have family working for the Swiss Government in Pongyang, and they tell me stories about this sort of indoctrination, but now I see that it's happening under our noses.

229 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:59am

re: #217 RobCon

[Link: badgerbadgerbadger.com...]

230 runrabbitrun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:00am

re: #209 Sharmuta

I always though that in Hell we'd be forced to listen to the music we hated the most. My Hell would now be sprinkled with this song in between The Smiths and Morrissey.

talk about wicked earworms! And I thought the Archies' "Sugar, Sugar' was deadly.

231 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:02am

re: #202 tfc3rid

We must have the ret of the Citizens of the World like us again... The only way to make that happen is for us to see that we are too individualistic, too entrepeneurial (sp)... We must focus on being a collective society. One where the evil rich share with the good and decent poor. We must make citizens of those who are in the shadows... We must bring everyone together...

No more wars or funding for wars... no more military. The only reason other countries have them is becuase of us... Make love not war...

This is what we shall strive to be... This is what we must become to be enlightened... Only The One will show us the path home.

Dude, you gotta lay off the bong water....

232 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:05am

re: #208 NoSubmission
The HORROR...The HORROR!
Yep! That about says it!

233 undhimmicratic  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:07am

I've worked with children's choirs--mostly African children. Never had to ask them to smile--they couldn't help it. These children have no joy inside them. They are trying too fearfully to please the overly enthusiastic director and are under pressure to perform well. And yes, this is "praise and worship" style music. And yes, are singing it to "One" who is unworthy of worship--not to mention votes! Between this and the other post about the MSM's outrageous biases and dirty tricks, considering the kind of ideologues O is hooked up with, and considering the voter fraud that's being promoted, by ACORN I think America is in serious trouble.

234 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:18am

re: #207 Occasional Reader

Now, having realized their error, they've begged the McCain Kids to sit down with them, without preconditions.

"Fine, but we'll require a show of good faith. How 'bout giving us those pennies back?"

235 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:20am

re: #208 NoSubmission

Dang it. I cant' watch video at work. Can anyone summarize for a fellow lizard?

Brainwashed small children singing hymns to Obama.

236 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:26am

Socialism is coming. Education and media have been brought in line (gleichschaltung) over the past decades.

The media already got the only Republican candidate that was acceptable to them. There's no way the wobbly old guy can win.

Obama will be the next president. He will accelerate the takeover of the school system, media, judiciary, install his community groups all over the US, etc. It will be virtually impossible to roll back these changes, even if Obama is a one term-president - which is unlikely.

Republicans and "true conservatives" will continue to be clueless about what is going on. They will continue to call the socialists liberals and treat them civilly while getting nothing than pure hatred in return.

No one will come to the defense of true liberal principles: capitalism, rule of law, seperation of powers, individual freedom, personal responsibility.

237 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:34am

re: #219 Ghostbuster

Good propaganda is timeless.

238 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:51am

On the Punahou campus, not far from the library, there is a piece of cement where a sidewalk was repaired where Obama and some gal whose last name is King both inscribed their names when the cement was wet. It reads "King Obama". I remember seeing that and thinking "King Obama, who is that, some African despot like Idi Amin?"

I didn't know the guy by name when I was there, there were 435 people in my senior class alone but I remembered seeing him on campus.

239 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:55am

re: #210 AuldTrafford

If you think hijacking a Buddhist symbol of harmony was bad...nobody can even wear a Charlie Chaplin mustache anymore because of him.

240 USA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:56am

The Germans dressed their Hitler Youth better. Otherwise, looks like a re-run to me.
/spit

241 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:13:05am

re: #231 CIA Reject

Dude, you gotta lay off the bong water....

I blacked out for a minutes there... Wow... LOL

242 Catttt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:13:40am

Saving the following comment from the youtube for posterity, because the negative posts will probably be deleted (obviously, they have been doing so). Currently at plus 342.


spamiam (1 day ago)
+342 Good comment

That's just creepy.

Run this one through your YouTube search bar:
"BUND DEUTSCHER MÄDEL IN DER HITLER-JUGEND"

Then run this one:
"Obama civilian paramilitary force"

Look - I'm as anxious for the first black President as the next person, but this man simply shouldn't be him. He is of questionable background, and his known associates and mentors are even more questionable.

He was *groomed* for this opportunity, and he is malleable. This whole thing really creeps me out.

243 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:13:48am

re: #224 lazardo

Captain Planet was when Saturday morning cartoons in general jumped the shark. The ham-fisted lecturing was too much even for young skulls full of mush.

244 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #182 Ojoe

I get exactly the feeling that we are looking into the eyes of the beast.

I've had that feeling for months. Obama is the single most dangerous empty suit that I have ever in my lifetime seen appear on our national stage. The cult of personality, the literal worship, the fainting women, the reports of healings taking place at his events - absolutely chilling. This is not a man.

245 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:14:29am

re: #220 Who Watches the Watchmen?

With some 1980s Chicago power ballads thrown in for good measure.

And some Cher.

246 hoffmonster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:14:48am

This really is creepy..
reminds me of those Hamas videos we see from time to time
with kids wearing bomb belts and proclaiming their love for Allah.

The topper is that they (Parents) probably have no idea how horrible this really looks. I would bet they are proud of their indoctrinated kids who have not the slightest idea what they are singing about..

this is just horrible
I hope that national media picks this up.. this is indicative of how far to the left Obama supporters want to take this country.

Poor kids

Hfmnstr

247 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:14:55am

I think we should start a petition. They have the wrong states colored red.

248 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:15:09am
249 redstateredneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:15:19am

Those kids are so brainwashed by their liberal parents/teachers/etc. when McCain wins in November they'll think it's the end of the world.

250 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:15:30am

re: #236 Peter Verkooijen

Socialism is coming. Education and media have been brought in line (gleichschaltung) over the past decades.

The media already got the only Republican candidate that was acceptable to them. There's no way the wobbly old guy can win.

Obama will be the next president. He will accelerate the takeover of the school system, media, judiciary, install his community groups all over the US, etc. It will be virtually impossible to roll back these changes, even if Obama is a one term-president - which is unlikely.

Republicans and "true conservatives" will continue to be clueless about what is going on. They will continue to call the socialists liberals and treat them civilly while getting nothing than pure hatred in return.

No one will come to the defense of true liberal principles: capitalism, rule of law, seperation of powers, individual freedom, personal responsibility.

Unfortunately I wholeheartedly agree with you...

251 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:15:33am

re: #207 Occasional Reader

Now, having realized their error, they've begged the McCain Kids to sit down with them, without preconditions.

The IAEA continues to question whether the water balloons seen piled up in their backyards are solely for "leisure" purposes, and if they are indeed filled with water.

252 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:12am

Indoctrination is not the problem - I can think of several wonderful examples:
At home - I love you, you love me, we're a happy family...
At Church - Jesus loves the little children... (pick your variation according to the dictates of your own conscience and belief)
At school - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America...
At sporting events - ...the land of the free and the home of the brave.
At clubs - On my honor I will do my duty to God and my country... help other people at all times... physically strong, mentally awake, morally straight...

The problem arises when that indoctrination is used to seed hatred of others or encourage false worship of fallible mortals as opposed to encouraging individuals to internalize the free exercise of duty, honor, love, citizenship, community, charity, liberty, work, service et al.

My wife and I still remember the Norman Rockwell paintings of American Freedoms hanging in the hallways of our schools.

253 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:16am

re: #51 Honorary Yooper

Here she is...I posted this on another thread.

254 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:18am

re: #244 galloping granny

It is his early training as a muslim that has done this IMHO.

255 leprechaun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:26am

Ok, I'm not one for socialist/commie bashing...usually. But this really reminds me of those old videos of communists singing "The Internationale."

...Definitely a very multicultural song back before that was really popular. But the brainwashing/blind faith evident in those movies (right now, I'm thinking of one produced in China in the 60's or 70's) was really disturbing.

256 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:29am

These are the same people actively trying to recruit a rape victim for a TV ad. Obamabots.

257 desert storm vet I  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:36am

re: #3 doriangrey

Creepy in a Nazi youth kind of way.............


More like a communist youth movement, Soviet-style. I would be extremely pissed if this is what's being pushed in the public school system. I highly suggest those that know about this raise objection and refuse to pay for this misuse of tax money (if this is in a public school).

The only difference are the school colors i.e. not wearing red. The brain-washing is the same and, as someone posted earlier, Kim Jong what's-its-face would be proud.

How bloody sad :-(

258 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:37am

re: #247 maddogg

I think we should start a petition. They have the wrong states colored red.

Better yet- let's start a petition to take "liberal" back. These people don't deserve the use of a title derived from "Liberty" in any way.

259 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:39am

This gives me hope that my children will have very little competition in the future.
re: #247 maddogg

I think we should start a petition. They have the wrong states colored red.

THAT infuriates ME! I want blue back!

It's intentional. The libs were red under Dukakis...and now we are stuck with it.
It was a deliberate move to distance themselves from the color that fits the agenda.

260 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:48am

re: #236 Peter Verkooijen

Socialism is coming. Education and media have been brought in line (gleichschaltung) over the past decades.

The media already got the only Republican candidate that was acceptable to them. There's no way the wobbly old guy can win.

Obama will be the next president. He will accelerate the takeover of the school system, media, judiciary, install his community groups all over the US, etc. It will be virtually impossible to roll back these changes, even if Obama is a one term-president - which is unlikely.

Republicans and "true conservatives" will continue to be clueless about what is going on. They will continue to call the socialists liberals and treat them civilly while getting nothing than pure hatred in return.

No one will come to the defense of true liberal principles: capitalism, rule of law, seperation of powers, individual freedom, personal responsibility.

I have a suggestion: Why don't you stow that defeatist shit and go away?

261 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:57am

re: #235 Occasional Reader

Brainwashed small children singing hymns to Obama.


ugh. Any Bee-costumed high pitched voice Hamas members?

262 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:58am

re: #241 tfc3rid

I blacked out for a minutes there... Wow... LOL

Glad you're back!

263 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:15am

re: #243 victor_yugo

Captain Planet was when Saturday morning cartoons in general jumped the shark. The ham-fisted lecturing was too much even for young skulls full of mush.

wouldn't let my let my little brothers in law watch that crap. eeeeevil oil guy dumping tankers into the ocean just to destroy the environment

264 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:17am

re: #201 runrabbitrun

If Obamessiah wins, November 4th might be designated the National Holiday in which tradition will dictate primary school observance pageants, in which the littlest, cutest child wins the role of placing the plaster figure of the savior Obama into the manger Oval Office...

What was almost as chilling to me is the huge wall sized poster of The Messiah in that room. Like it was a church. Or like the picture of Mao or Stalin that was required in every home and classroom.

265 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:22am

re: #243 victor_yugo

I moved to Manila before the series itself jumped the shark (about the time Linka was reported as "from Eastern Europe"). Duke Nukem was a cool villain though.

266 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:26am

re: #121 BrianA

BUND DEUTSCHER MÄDEL IN DER HITLER-JUGEND (1930-1945)

If one didn't know who that sang, and when - and where it led to and how it ended: it was quite a nice folksy melody ...

And thats whats so unforgivable: the parents who allow their children to sing such B0 stuff are not just poisoning their minds (what will they tell their children when B0 loses?), they are poisoning the wellspring of their musicality, their songs, their art.

I suppose those parents also think its fine for Hamas babies to be dressed up in fake suicide belts ...

267 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:28am

re: #244 galloping granny

I've had that feeling for months. Obama is the single most dangerous empty suit that I have ever in my lifetime seen appear on our national stage. The cult of personality, the literal worship, the fainting women, the reports of healings taking place at his events - absolutely chilling. This is not a man.

I just hope he wasn't born in June, 1966

268 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:29am

re: #242 Catttt

What's sad is, this is the sane person. And yet he openly admits to being racist, i.e., making decisions based on the race of the applicant.

I'm as anxious for the first black President as the next person
269 shane  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:30am

I don't know what you find creepy about it. After all, they are just indoctinating children to revere Obama. It's no different then Kim Il Jong in N. Korea, the kids there sing to him just like that.

270 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:44am

re: #244 galloping granny

This is not a man.

[sigh]

Please, not this.

Yes, he's just man (well, manchild, whatever). If he stubs his toe getting out of the shower, he says "ow". He does not have a "666" birthmark on his scalp. Please.

271 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:46am

re: #18 MandyManners

Why do I get the image of those bumper-stickers that say "MY CHILD COULD WHIP YOUR HONOR-STUDENT'S ASS"?

How about - Your Obama supporting kid will be working for my kid someday.

272 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:50am

re: #249 redstateredneck

Those kids are so brainwashed by their liberal parents/teachers/etc. when McCain wins in November they'll think it's the end of the world.

A sampling of defeat following competition, something not instilled in today's youth, might just be good for these midget Obamatons.

273 Peacekeeper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:10am

Possible combinations of the economic crisis
Bailout passes no Depression: All hail glorious leadership of nonpartisan gang!

Bailout passes not even a recession: All hail glorious leadership of nonpartisan gang!

Bailout passes but Recession happens : All hail glorious leadership of nonpartisan gang in stopping Depression!

Bailout fails Depression /recession: WE TOLD YOU SO!

Bailout fails, nothing happens : uhh. um. uhhhh.

274 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:21am

I hadda watch this with my speakers off but it's obvious from even the silent version of this video what's going on.
But I didn't see anyone taking credit for this video; no "I'm Senator Obama and I approved this Ad" or
"Wierdos for Obama '08" or anything - did the audio make it clear who produced this crap?!

275 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:30am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

Sorta kinda repost: I kept expecting them to burst into "Tomorrow Belongs To Me".

That song/scene sends chills up my spine - and not the good kind of chills, but the oh-shit kind. And notice how the sweet faced man-boy gets pretty angry and intent. Then, the arm raise at the end. Brrrr........

276 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:32am

re: #248 Ojoe

i iz in ur bunker

rantin and ravin

277 West Coast Freedom  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:42am

Is this what they mean when they say, History Will Repeat Itself?

God, have we not learned anything if life at all from our past mistakes? I feel very sorry for those children.

278 tfc3rid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:48am

re: #262 CIA Reject

Glad you're back!

Yeah... Obama, his handlers anf riends and a Dem majority are the single greatest threat to American sovreignty in a long time...

We on the other side, the side that will likely be repressed under an Obama rule by fight back with strength and unwavering patriotism...

279 zombie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:01am

That was about the most terrifying film I've ever seen.

After watching that video, I'd vote for a discarded toilet seat over Obama.

I realize more than ever now the sheer magnitude of this election; it's more than just about Obama and McCain, it's about the Leftists getting confirmation that their indoctrination and propaganda works. If they win this time around, they'll be convinced for the rest of time that their strategy since the 1960s has been effective, and they will turn this entire country into a Marxist Re-education Center -- permanently.

280 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:04am

re: #238 Colonel Panik

On the Punahou campus, not far from the library, there is a piece of cement where a sidewalk was repaired where Obama and some gal whose last name is King both inscribed their names when the cement was wet. It reads "King Obama". I remember seeing that and thinking "King Obama, who is that, some African despot like Idi Amin?"

I didn't know the guy by name when I was there, there were 435 people in my senior class alone but I remembered seeing him on campus.

Sure would be neat if you could get a picture of that.

281 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:18am

re: #236 Peter Verkooijen

How far away are we from the Skousen's disclosure?
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
 
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
 
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
 
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
 
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
 
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
 
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
 
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
 
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
 
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
 
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
 
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
 
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
 
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
 
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
 
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
 
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
 
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
 
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
 
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
 
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
 
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
 
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
 
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
 
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
 
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
 
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
 
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
 
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
 
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
 
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

282 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:34am

re: #274 realwest

David Axelrod?

/holy thursday, real!

//not the same guy of course...

283 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:38am

One of my liberal neighbors [what other kind are there in Brooklyn?] said he looked at my blog the other day and wondered what I meant by 'patriot' in some of my commentary. He had a glassy look in his eyes and I realized that it was a trick question.

284 Silhouette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:46am

re: #249 redstateredneck

Those kids are so brainwashed by their liberal parents/teachers/etc. when McCain wins in November they'll think it's the end of the world.

Some blogger who was in college in 1980 recounted how students were crying after Reagan won, and one gal was hyperventilating, going, "Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. We're going to die. He's going to start a war and we're all GOING TO DIE!"

285 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:01am

re: #270 Occasional Reader

He is a man, though a compromised one IMHO & yes I would not ordinarily say that of another but he is running for president so the normal cloak of not to judge falls away.

286 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #239 lazardo

If you think hijacking a Buddhist symbol of harmony was bad...nobody can even wear a Charlie Chaplin mustache anymore because of him.

Yes, but the Emo kids get away with the hairstyle.

287 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:18am

re: #279 zombie

That was about the most terrifying film I've ever seen.


Now I have to see this!

288 cliffster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:22am

Holy s***! I just jumped in so my apologies if this has already been said, but "Heil Obama!"

289 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:25am

I take small comfort in knowing my children will not have much competition since these poor kids are in the same country.

290 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:43am

Sorry for the length, but 45 Communist goals continued:

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
 
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
 
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
 
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
 
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
 
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
 
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
 
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
 
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
 
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
 
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
 
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
 
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
 
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

291 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:43am

re: #267 FloridaAnole

I just hope he wasn't born in June, 1966

August 20 1961. Supposedly. Of course I don't know what that date was in the islamic calendar.

292 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:20:50am

re: #27 CIA Reject

BO would do well to leave the children alone- I'm sure Mr. Hitler could affirm that for him.

I'm sure the two of them will be sharing coffee someday.
Then it's "Break's over, back on your heads".

293 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:21:41am

Come play with us, Danny, forever and ever and ever...
Sorry.
I hate when people use kids for their political ends.

294 looking closely  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:21:43am

So cute. . .

/I hope every one of the little brats cries themselves to sleep after Obama loses the election.

295 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:21:52am

How many 9 yr olds are actually that interested in politics? How precocious.
Of course the song is as empty as Obama's campaign.


we can spread happiness like peanut butter and jelly.
or just jelly for you folks allergic.

296 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:21:55am

re: #283 NoSubmission

One of my liberal neighbors [what other kind are there in Brooklyn?] said he looked at my blog the other day and wondered what I meant by 'patriot' in some of my commentary. He had a glassy look in his eyes and I realized that it was a trick question.

The best riposte would be, "Certainly not you!"

297 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:01am

re: #286 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Only because Hitler was the first one.

298 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:08am

re: #259 Oh no...Sand People!

This gives me hope that my children will have very little competition in the future.


THAT infuriates ME! I want blue back!

It's intentional. The libs were red under Dukakis...and now we are stuck with it.
It was a deliberate move to distance themselves from the color that fits the agenda.

It's a Freudian slip or unintentional prognostication of the future... Obama is Black, his Gestapo thugs wear Blue, if he is elected we will all end up..... That's right......... Black and Blue......

299 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:10am

re: #279 zombie

That was about the most terrifying film I've ever seen.

After watching that video, I'd vote for a discarded toilet seat over Obama.

I realize more than ever now the sheer magnitude of this election; it's more than just about Obama and McCain, it's about the Leftists getting confirmation that their indoctrination and propaganda works. If they win this time around, they'll be convinced for the rest of time that their strategy since the 1960s has been effective, and they will turn this entire country into a Marxist Re-education Center -- permanently.

Agreed Zombie. I couldn't agree with you more. I believe that we are on the brink of the single most dangerous time our nation has ever seen - and that it means our very survival as a country.

300 USA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:22am

re: #292 Son of the Black Dog

I'm sure the two of them will be sharing coffee someday.
Then it's "Break's over, back on your heads".

Very funny!

301 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:31am

re: #253 NY Nana

Here she is...I posted this on another thread.

Kathy Sawada. From Confederate Yankee,

While described as a grassroots effort, Kathy Sawada, who posted the video and can been seen directing the children in the video, is a bit more than just an enthusiastic music teacher you might find in your average public school.

Sawada is a teacher at an elite and expensive Colburn School of Performing Arts in Los Angeles as part of the Piano faculty. Colburn just built a $120 million 12-story high-rise addition for their musicians.

Does a concert-quality musician in an elite school in the middle of the most ego-centric city in the United States count as a "grassroots" effort?

And,

Here's a partial list of those who helped produce this "grassroots" effort:

*Jeff Zucker — American television executive, and President & CEO of NBC Universal.
*Post-producer (former choreographer?) Holly Shiffer.
*Motion picture camera operator/steadicam specialist Peter Rosenfeld (appropriately enough, worked in "Yes Man," a movie about " a guy challenges himself to say 'yes' to everything for an entire year."
*Darin Moran, another motion picture industry professional, who just finished filming — how appropriate — Land of the Lost.
*Andy Blumenthal, Hollywood film editor.

Grassroots indeed. This is from the Obamaton top.

302 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:47am

Where is Janet Reno when we need her/him/it? Send in the tanks and flamethrowers! Send in the SWAT teams to rescue these poor children, and send them to safety in Havana. In our society, how soon they will be spoiled. Or Caracas, sure, why not.

303 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:55am

re: #166 crashnburn

Only thing missing were the pictures of "The Dear Leader" everywhere. I couldn't imagine forcing one of my children to learn and perform such drivel.


here's a great one
[Link: urbaninfidel.blogspot.com...]

304 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:22:55am

OT: V I R U S   W A R N I N G

If you get an e-mail with "Nude Sarah Palin Pictures" in the Subject line,
DON'T open it.

It may contain a virus.

If you get an e-mail with "Nude Hillary Clinton Pictures" in the Subject line,
DON'T open it.

It may contain nude Hillary Clinton pictures.

305 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:11am

re: #268 Silhouette

re: #242 Catttt

What's sad is, this is the sane person. And yet he openly admits to being racist, i.e., making decisions based on the race of the applicant.

I'm as anxious for the first black President as the next person

I think that's a poor use of the word "racist", to be frank. I, too, think that all else being equal, it would be a good, cathartic thing for our country to have a black President. (But not this one.) I hardly think that makes me a "racist".

306 mattm  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:29am

Annnnnnd now I want to hurl.

I wonder if ACORN has found a way to allow these elementary students to vote for the the savior, Lord Barack Hussein Obama, (PBUH).

307 leprechaun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:31am

For your viewing (dis)pleasure:


and

I'll let you draw your own parallels.

308 Pyrocles  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:39am

I think Obama's grandstanding "Messianic" personality developed from his lifelong mentoring by intellectual radicals such as Communist "poet" Frank Davis and Bill Ayers, as well as his years of attendance at his "church". His years of studying Saul Alinksy and recent charisma training by George Clooney help too.

re: #254 Ojoe

It is his early training as a muslim that has done this IMHO.

309 Orbit Rain  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:49am

...gives one an idea how Kim Jong Il gets by...

310 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:50am

re: #249 redstateredneck

Those kids are so brainwashed by their liberal parents/teachers/etc. when McCain wins in November they'll think it's the end of the world.

That's a bad thing? They could use a good, lethal dose of Upside Your Head Reality®

311 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:23:59am

re: #304 Abu Al-Poopypants

ZING!

/and upding

312 coloradobuff  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:24:13am

Makes perfect sense to me. That choir represents the proper target demographic for his policies, after all.

313 Mad Mullah  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:24:13am

Holy cow, that is one disgusting and disturbing video!

I can't help but wonder how Obama would look with a little mustache planted on his smirky grin. The symbolism and the indoctrination of young kids in that video is frightening and immoral, though I can't say that I am all that shocked. Nothing that liberals do, no matter how braindead or evil, shocks anymore.

Germans aren't the only group of people that can easily be manipulated into following pure evil. It can certainly happen in the USA also, and mindless liberal sheep are proof of that. No wonder liberals love and defend terrorists! They brainwash their children in similar ways.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if liberals introduce a new catch phrase when greeting each other - Heil Mein Community Organizer!

314 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:24:17am

re: #34 soccerdad

Is this how Hitler got elected?

Is the financial meltdown America's Reichstag fire?

315 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:24:34am

re: #295 Eowyn2

How many 9 yr olds are actually that interested in politics? How precocious.
Of course the song is as empty as Obama's campaign.


we can spread happiness like peanut butter and jelly.
or just jelly for you folks allergic.

Lots of them. Look around at all of the folks here who have kids in the 9-11 range. And some of them make some pretty astute comments. Mandy Manners little boy (7) (I think it was him, apologies if the child belongs to someone else) noticed that none of the houses he passes that have Obama signs have American flags. The 11 year old I home school can and does carry on a political discussion about this election (sometimes with her homeschool friends) on at least the intellectual level you will find on most college campuses.

316 So?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:24:45am

dere kinder dere kinder

317 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:24:47am

re: #279 zombie

That was about the most terrifying film I've ever seen.

After watching that video, I'd vote for a discarded toilet seat over Obama.

I realize more than ever now the sheer magnitude of this election; it's more than just about Obama and McCain, it's about the Leftists getting confirmation that their indoctrination and propaganda works. If they win this time around, they'll be convinced for the rest of time that their strategy since the 1960s has been effective, and they will turn this entire country into a Marxist Re-education Center -- permanently.

*up-ding*
Melanie Phillips: "Subversives for Obama" -- dead bang on target.

318 joncelli  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:02am

Holy shit. Just holy shit. Imagine these kids as teenagers in Obama's civilian defense organization. Cultural Revolution, folks.

319 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:08am

re: #280 galloping granny

Sure would be neat if you could get a picture of that.

I no longer live in Honolulu. There are a few lizards who do, maybe they could.

320 dgax65  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:27am

Dear Mom & Dad

I'm having so much fun here at the re-education camp. Today we learned a bunch of really fun songs.........


Very scary

321 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:33am

Those poor simps are going to have a hell of a case of buyer's remorse if BO actually becomes president (which he probably will).

It won't be long before he reveals himself as, not just another political schmuck, but a genuine jack-booted thug who will launch a frontal assault on the Bill of Rights.

At least the idiotic hymn singing will go away.

322 ErnieG  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #306 mattm

Annnnnnd now I want to hurl.

I wonder if ACORN has found a way to allow these elementary students to vote for the the savior, Lord Barack Hussein Obama, (PBUH).

Of course. They wouldn't need ID.

323 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:40am

re: #283 NoSubmission

One of my liberal neighbors [what other kind are there in Brooklyn?] said he looked at my blog the other day and wondered what I meant by 'patriot' in some of my commentary. He had a glassy look in his eyes and I realized that it was a trick question.

Tell him that they are from New England.

324 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:25:54am

re: #284 Silhouette

Some blogger who was in college in 1980 recounted how students were crying after Reagan won, and one gal was hyperventilating, going, "Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. We're going to die. He's going to start a war and we're all GOING TO DIE!"

I think that was Lileks. Yep, I recall those days (though I wasn't in college yet).

325 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:04am

re: #301 Honorary Yooper

Grassroots indeed. This is from the Obamaton top.

In which case, this counts as a contribution in kind and a political advertisement. I wonder if they have registered as a PAC with the IRS.

326 yma o hyd  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:05am

re: #226 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Now I feel truly sick - thanks for not linking this to an actual singing & marching horde!

327 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:07am

re: #260 maddogg

I have a suggestion: Why don't you stow that defeatist shit and go away?

I already did. I left the Netherlands, just before the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh.

I had tried to get involved politically and fight back for over a decade, as a political science student and journalist. I had even written a book on post-WWII Dutch political history. Nothing had any impact. It was all a huge waste of time and energy.

Now the same thing is happening here in the US. Where to next? India perhaps?

328 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:14am

re: #298 doriangrey

It's a Freudian slip or unintentional prognostication of the future... Obama is Black, his Gestapo thugs wear Blue, if he is elected we will all end up..... That's right......... Black and Blue......

In the beginning I was of the mindset that we should vote in 'O' just to teach the Repubs a lesson...then I realized quite quickly that it would be tough, if not impossible, to recover from 4 years of having an Obamanation.

329 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:23am

re: #301 Honorary Yooper

Astroturf. What a surprise.

330 Catttt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:43am

The truly scary thing is that I now wish that Senator Clinton had been nominated. IMHO, she would have been a shoo-in, but I'd so much rather see her as President than Barry that it isn't even funny. I'd rather see the bum on the corner or John 'Bluto' Blutarsky as President than Barry!

331 CIA Reject  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:26:51am

re: #292 Son of the Black Dog

I'm sure the two of them will be sharing coffee someday.
Then it's "Break's over, back on your heads".

LOL!

332 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:01am

re: #152 Occasional Reader

"We're gonna spread happiness
we're gonna spread freedom"

[shudder]

Okay, little girl, two things: 1) It is not the President's job to "spread happiness". His job is to help enable OUR individual pursuit of happiness. 2) Obama is quite adamant is maintaining that we won't do a damn thing to "spread freedom".

And the line...."we're gonna change things, we're gonna rearrange things...."

Naw, I'm not worried in the least....

333 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:09am

Since I can't watch this at work, can someone please tell me who made this video?

334 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:17am

Rush is on this now!

335 bosforus  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:18am

is Rush on lgf?

336 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:27am

Rush is discussing this right now.

337 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:28am

Rush is talking about this video now.

338 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #279 zombie

That was about the most terrifying film I've ever seen.

After watching that video, I'd vote for a discarded toilet seat over Obama.

I realize more than ever now the sheer magnitude of this election; it's more than just about Obama and McCain, it's about the Leftists getting confirmation that their indoctrination and propaganda works. If they win this time around, they'll be convinced for the rest of time that their strategy since the 1960s has been effective, and they will turn this entire country into a Marxist Re-education Center -- permanently.

Hear hear.

Ironic as it sounds, the upper echelon of cliques in my old alma mater were very much like this (the ones in my current college seem mostly apolitical by contrast to the Administration). If Obama wins, they win.

And I'll have no choice but to love Big Brother as I lounge with glazed-over eyes in the Chestnut Cafe.

339 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:59am

I wonder if Rush will mention this?

340 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:59am

Rush is mentioning this video now.

341 Shakey Jakey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:28:30am

Rush speaking about this now

342 dolfan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:28:34am

The left has been accusing Bush as being something close to Hitler, and then we get this?

343 iowahawk  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:28:44am

Holy crap, that is skin-crawling, Village-of-the-Damned, weapons-grade creepy. The worst aspects of "Jesus Camp" meet a North Korean children's chorus hymn to Dear Leader Kim.

Where is Janet Reno when we need her?

344 rightwinger3  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:28:49am

Good thing Conservatives are having more children than liberals.

345 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:28:56am

re: #282 lazardo
I've no doubt that David Axelrod - the one in charge of media affairs for the Obama Campaign had a hand in this; I was asking if anyone had taken credit for putting it on YouTube - it sure didn't look like an "amatuer" video to me.
And even 527's have to disclose that it was done by "Friends of Obama" or somesuch.

346 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:01am

re: #330 Catttt

Does that make McCain the new Popeye?

/Palin's too...uh... "meaty" to be Olive Oyl though

347 cliffster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:10am

So brainwashing children - this is a crime, yes?

348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:24am

re: #330 Catttt

The truly scary thing is that I now wish that Senator Clinton had been nominated. IMHO, she would have been a shoo-in, but I'd so much rather see her as President than Barry that it isn't even funny. I'd rather see the bum on the corner or John 'Bluto' Blutarsky as President than Barry!

I respectfully disagree. Obama and the Marxist "Subversives for Obama" (Melanie Phillips, yesterday) need to be stopped NOW.

349 redstateredneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:41am

"Change it and rearrange it" indeed.

350 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:50am

Jeff Zucker (Pres. NBC) and other Hollywooders produced the video. Imagine that!

351 zombie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:57am

re: #154 galloping granny

I don't know if you've ever visited Zombie's site, but about a year ago he caught a pic of some parents at some SF or Berkeley demo playing Pin The Molotov Cocktail on the Pigmobile. I am not kidding you - that is exactly what the "game" says.

Here you go.

Pin the Molotov on the...

It doesn't actually complete the sentence with words....just a picture of a police car.

352 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:29:59am

I love this:

Rush: "Grassroots, my ass." in regards to the video.

LOL!

353 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:30:21am

re: #338 lazardo

And I'll have no choice but to love Big Brother as I lounge with glazed-over eyes in the Chestnut Cafe.

From little ACORNs, mighty Chestnuts grow.

354 redstateredneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:30:35am

Grassroots, my ass. TELL IT, RUSH!

355 NC State of Mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:30:45am

re: #327 Peter Verkooijen


Now the same thing is happening here in the US. Where to next? India perhaps?

Hopefully to a revolutionized America. Glenn Beck's pitchforks and torches are sounding like plausible weapons more and more.

356 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:30:50am

re: #301 Honorary Yooper

Jeff Zucker — American television executive, and President & CEO of NBC Universal.

Unfuckingbelievable.

357 Suzette  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:30:50am

re: #72 MandyManners

This could lead to a really spooky Stephen King novel. Oh, wait. Isn't he a moonbat?

Yes a blooming moonbat at that too.
/his ego is bigger than whatever talent he once had.

358 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:31:04am

re: #321 DeeAitch

Those poor simps are going to have a hell of a case of buyer's remorse if BO actually becomes president (which he probably will).

It won't be long before he reveals himself as, not just another political schmuck, but a genuine jack-booted thug who will launch a frontal assault on the Bill of Rights.

At least the idiotic hymn singing will go away.

I doubt that. The kind of empty headed misguided folk that would participate in an event as this.. will most probably remain just as misguided throughout the coming decades. Take a look at those who.. to this day.. support Jimmy Carter.

359 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:31:08am

re: #345 realwest

I'm pseudo-tinfoiling here, I always suspect the best artists in the design/production fields are already moneyed to begin with. Especially since a lot of them are based in California (along with their art colleges, Art Center in Pasadena's my dream college if not Academy of Art in SF) they have a very talented base to tap.

360 Irene NYC  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:31:41am

re: #279 zombie

I agree. I also believe if Obama wins that we will start to see serious separatist movements here in the U.S. And I ain't talkin' about Vermont.

361 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:31:51am

Rush is speaking of this horror show right now! In great detail...outs the "amateurishness" of this crap! It's a professional product all the way!

362 NY Nana  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:08am

re: #301 Honorary Yooper

Thank you! What a catch! I have saved it. It is incredible that Hussein goes to such lengths, and I have to wonder if there is not some kind of violation of the election laws involved here, as it is not from his campaign on the face of it, thus does not have to be reported as such, etc.

/I thought that Hussein had sunk as low as he could, but I apologize for being so wrong. And there is still more to come.

363 pegcity  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:17am

reminds me of the video i see of children in north korea singing dear leaders praises.

so is it gonna become law that you need to have a picture of the one in every household?

do these people not realize that this makes them look like commie personality cults, nazis and north koreans?

364 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:18am

re: #345 realwest

it sure didn't look like an "amatuer" video to me

No way. It's very slick. And we're supposed to believe it's just, you know, "a recent Sunday, a neighbor's house". Right, we just happened to have giant campaign posters, matching t-shirts, and professional-grade video equipment lying around, and suddenly someone said, "I know! Let's put on a show in the barn!" Rrrriiiight.

365 freedomplow  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:20am

Here's a partial list of those who helped produce this "grassroots" effort:

* Jeff Zucker — American television executive, and President & CEO of NBC Universal.
* Post-producer (former choreographer?) Holly Shiffer.
* Motion picture camera operator/steadicam specialist Peter Rosenfeld (appropriately enough, worked in "Yes Man," a movie about " a guy challenges himself to say 'yes' to everything for an entire year."
* Darin Moran, another motion picture industry professional, who just finished filming — how appropriate — Land of the Lost.
* Andy Blumenthal, Hollywood film editor.

Grassroots all the way, baby

366 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:21am
367 NoSubmission  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:37am

is it 'we are the world' creepy? or creepier?

cannot wait to see this later..

368 dolfan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:37am

re: #356 MandyManners

No, believable. Very, very believable.

369 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:45am

re: #327 Peter Verkooijen

I already did. I left the Netherlands, just before the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh.

I had tried to get involved politically and fight back for over a decade, as a political science student and journalist. I had even written a book on post-WWII Dutch political history. Nothing had any impact. It was all a huge waste of time and energy.

Now the same thing is happening here in the US. Where to next? India perhaps?

You might wait until the election to throw in the towel. Me? I ain't EVER giving the country to communists. Not until I'm feeding the worms anyway. I owe that to my children.

370 planetbrian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:55am

I just saw on Fox that Nobama's 527's are out spending McCain's 527's 75-25%...where are the 527's for McCain this election?

371 rightwinger3  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:33:19am

re: #357 Suzette

Yes a blooming moonbat at that too.
/his ego is bigger than whatever talent he once had.

Yep. And he was good. Funny, too.

"Honey this machine just called me an a$$hole"

Maximum Overdrive.

372 Colonel Panik  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:00am

re: #332 Russkilitlover

And the line...."we're gonna change things, we're gonna rearrange things...."

Naw, I'm not worried in the least....

Straight out of another moonbat hymn, by Crosby, Stills, and Nash: Chicago!

"We can chaaaaaange the world.....reaaaaraaaaaaange the world!"

BARF.

373 Eowyn2  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:03am

re: #301 Honorary Yooper

Grassroots indeed. This is from the Obamaton top.

busted

Zombie
You are going to need an Astroturf page.

374 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:05am

re: #356 MandyManners

Jeff Zucker — American television executive, and President & CEO of NBC Universal.

Unfuckingbelievable.

So this IS a campaign contribution?

375 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:15am

Wait a minute, I didn't think music was allowed in the madrassas?

376 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:26am

re: #327 Peter Verkooijen

How about the Philippines? Here, both terrorists and leftists are too mired in the wrench-filled works of the local System to get their fantasies forward.

/Fitna's all over the Internet now...

377 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:30am

Watch this clip made about 70 years ago BUND DEUTSCHER MÄDEL IN DER HITLER-JUGEND

Any questions now why the Obama Campaign quashed Sarah Palin protesting Iran's President Tom Ahmonajihad?

378 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:31am

Check out this one.

379 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:35am

Rush must be reading this thread ... he just called out Zucker.

380 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:49am

re: #357 Suzette

Yes a blooming moonbat at that too.
/his ego is bigger than whatever talent he once had.

"Meteor shit!"

381 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:34:49am

re: #356 MandyManners

Jeff Zucker — American television executive, and President & CEO of NBC Universal.

Unfuckingbelievable.

"Sheer coincidence, I tellsya! He just happened to stop by for a lemonade, and noticed we were putting on a (completely spontaneous) show, and offered to help."

382 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:35:09am

re: #370 planetbrian

Numerology question. What's a 527?

/checking

383 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:35:19am

God Love you, Rush!

384 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:35:43am

re: #379 Gang of One

Rush must be reading this thread ... he just called out Zucker.

We got the info from Rush.

385 wright1  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:00am

The video is very similar to the children who are indoctrinated in Maddrassas.

The Division of Youth and Family Services should be made aware that these children are being abused. Brainwashing of children is a form of abuse. As for the parents of these children, their participation in this propoganda is inexcusable.

On the other hand, if such group think is to be the norm, many of those who believe in this rubbish will be soon ready to their new overlords because in an Obamanation, this type of conduct will very much resemble a Sharia State.

386 looking closely  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:04am

re: #382 lazardo

Numerology question. What's a 527?

/checking

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Current legislation

Because 527 organizations do not make expenditures to directly advocate the election or defeat of any candidate for federal elective office, they avoid regulation by the Federal Election Commission. The line between issue advocacy and candidate advocacy is the source of heated debate and litigation.

Many 527s are run by interest groups and used to raise money to spend on issue advocacy and voter mobilization outside of the restrictions on PACs.

Examples of 527s include Americans for Dr. Rice, Americans for Honesty on Issues, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Texans for Truth, The Media Fund, America Coming Together, the Progress for America Voter Fund, United American Technologies, American Right To Life Action and the November Fund. MoveOn.org was previously a 527, until they decided to shut down their 527 group as a result of "new politics offered by Barack Obama".[1]

387 allahakchew  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:21am

How interesting that there was a post on this at Kos, but gee, it has been swept under the rug.

Here is the cache, explains all about the video.

388 amy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:25am

Apologies if someone has already posted this, but the video reminds me of this scene from Cabaret:
The Future Belongs To Me

389 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:31am

In the same vein, I saw a dance troupe perform at the county fair last week. This was young teens, boys and girls. They were dressed in camouflage pants, black boots, and black t-shirts that said "We are the ones we have been waiting for." They did a very militaristic, stomping sort of performance (it was definitely not dance) set to "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes. I wish I knew the name of the school; it's probably up on You Tube by now.

390 ciaospirit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:33am

Rush just described their "uniforms"

391 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:37am

re: #382 lazardo

Numerology question. What's a 527?

/checking

A loophole in McCain-Feingold... money always finds a way

392 redstateredneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:46am

Zucker, et al.
Click on more on description of video.

393 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:57am

re: #384 ciaospirit

We got the info from Rush.

Ahhhh. Thank you for the clarification ... I guess I'm behind the 8-ball :>0

394 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:58am

re: #340 JammieWearingFool Hey there Jammie! Is Rush saying where HE saw it?!

395 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:37:21am

How did Rush find out about the Zucker connection?

396 BrianA  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:37:32am

skulls full of mush, and he's not just talking about the kids

397 Irene NYC  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:37:47am

re: #378 JammieWearingFool

Check out this one.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


Just loved the the title of this:
Sing for Obama Grassroots Music Video.

And bilingual on top of everything else! Brainwashing in 2 languages. WOW!

398 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:37:57am

Rush tearing into this mess as we speak.

399 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:11am

re: #378 JammieWearingFool

Check out this one.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I'm going to be ill...

400 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:16am

"Oh Brave New World" This is like the Young Pioneers.
I think that we are looking into a vision of the future , if things break bad.
There are some really powerful, financial forces behind Obama

401 abd al-kafir  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:35am

Obama Jung Erwache!

402 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:45am

So Obama is backing Bush? Huh.


Bush: 'This is Not the End'

403 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:46am

re: #382 lazardo

Numerology question. What's a 527?

/checking

That's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whampin' and whompin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.

404 Gang of One  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:51am

Crisis of confidence in government according to caller ...

405 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:53am

after 60 seconds I had to turn it off ...

the cult of personality around obama truly is reminiscent of other "dear leaders,' or "fuhrers," or "chairmen."

but lately I am getting this sinking feeling that obama is going to win. I am desperately in need of someone to cheer me up and convince me that McCain will prevail ...

somebody, anybody.

406 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:38:54am

re: #378 JammieWearingFool

Check out this one.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That looks like another orchestrated one.

The source: Sing for Obama

407 GreenBear  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:39:10am

Ach! The little Jungen are so wunderbar all in their same colored shirts, glassy-eyed, rehearsed in the doctrine of the Shiny One...

The really scary thing is I have a friend, who I consider very intelligent, who would now consider this "harmless" and not recognize even a glint of the creepiness.

I am now the one who has "no sense of humor". He has been taken in by the MSM and doesn't realize it. I can no longer discuss the election with him because he either zones out or immediately attacks McCain with obvious liberal "talking points".

Be careful out there. It isn't just children and college kids getting brainwashed. Many so-called "moderates" have taken the bait and jumped in the tank.

So sad.

408 redstateredneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:39:17am

re: #395 rednaxela

How did Rush find out about the Zucker connection?

Production wizards got wind of the project and offered their help in recording it. The likes of Jeff Zucker, Holly Schiffer, Peter Rosenfeld, Darin Moran, Jean Martin, Andy Blumenthal, and Nick Phoenix rearranged schedules to participate. Holly Schiffer was able to get three High Definition cameras (Panasonic HVX250's), and an AVID editing facility. When Jeff Zucker went to pick up the camera package, Ted Schilowitz happened to be there and offered a RED camera set up on a Steadi Cam. What we accomplished in a few hours on a Sunday afternoon embodies the nature of the Obama campaign: its grassroots inspiration, its inclusiveness, its community building.


But this just all happened, you know?

409 ShanghaiRay  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:39:31am

My two cents worth:

Yes, this video is sickening and it just boggles the mind what some people will do to exploit there children.

(Disclaimer: I don't neccessarily agree with the following thoughts and I certainly do not support any sort of racism or bigotry but...)

I truly believe that Obama will lose in a landslide. Wishful thinking on my part maybe but there are some underlying issues or rather non-issues that will make a lot of people vote against Obama. We won't hear too much about this in the MSM but I believe that a hell of a lot of people in the US and I'm not speaking about Conservative or Republicans still won't vote for Obama because:

1) He is black.
2) His name is Hussien and that brings back a lot of memories (albeit unwarranted) of 911 and a whole litany of other things.
3) He is the most liberal Senator in the Congress.

Lest not forget that if John Kerry couldn't get elected and the MSM was most definitely in the tank for him how on earth could Obama win this election. The only smart thing Obama is doing is he's not responding to any charges or even talking about them. Whereas Kerry would whine and try to explain any charge against him e.g. Swiftboat etc. and the MSM would report on his whines and countercharges which would in turn draw attention to them. Obama has decided not to even go there...pretty sneaky, right?


I do not believe the pollls. As Rush said, if Obama is not up by 10 points before the election he is toast.


Anyway, we will know on Nov. 5 if my prediction is true but something in my gut tells me that Obama just isn't going to be President.

410 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:00am

Jeff Zucker is the Lena Reifenstahl of Obama. How utterly bizarre. What part of "Never Again" did Mr. Zucker miss growing up?

411 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:02am

No wonder Olbermann and Matthews get away with their shit.

NBC, YOU ARE GRAMSCIAN WHORES.

412 lazardo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #386 looking closely

Greenheart'd for reference.

413 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:08am

re: #391 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

A loophole in McCain-Feingold... money always finds a way

Otherwise known as "free speech".

414 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #394 realwest

Hey there Jammie! Is Rush saying where HE saw it?!


He mentioned Wizbang earlier, which has the updated from Confederate Yankee detailing the Zucker connection.

[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

[Link: confederateyankee.mu.nu...]

415 reubenek  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:18am

So, obviously they have been telling these kids some pretty fantastic stuff about Obama. To me the unspoken and unseen corollary is, what have they been telling them about McCain? I can only imagine.

416 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:23am

re: #370 planetbrian

I just saw on Fox that Nobama's 527's are out spending McCain's 527's 75-25%...where are the 527's for McCain this election?

Fear not good soldier.. Obama outspent Hillary in the end and got thrashed.
Well positioned, timed, content relevant spots of R-527's will win out and bring out the voter in the needed to win states.

417 planetbrian  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:32am

re: #386 looking closely

So where are the 527's that support McCain?

418 opnion  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:33am

re: #332 Russkilitlover

And the line...."we're gonna change things, we're gonna rearrange things...."

Naw, I'm not worried in the least....


Michelle in a speech said, ".... and Barack is not going to let you stay the way you've been"

419 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:47am

The McCain campaign should run an excerpt of this as their own ad. They could put silhouettes of McCain and Palin down at the bottom of the screen and have them do a running commentary, MST3000 style.

420 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:40:50am

re: #378 JammieWearingFool

That's freaking unbelievable! Do the Code Pink girls have anything out yet?

421 realwest  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:41:13am

re: #365 freedomplow
Uh, it's not that I don't believe you, but where did Confederate Yankee get the details of the PROFESSIONALS who made and posted this "amatuer" video on YouTube?

422 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:41:49am

re: #409 ShanghaiRay


The only smart thing Obama is doing is he's not responding to any charges or even talking about them. Whereas Kerry would whine and try to explain any charge against him e.g. Swiftboat etc. and the MSM would report on his whines and countercharges which would in turn draw attention to them. Obama has decided not to even go there...pretty sneaky, right?

Not true, he has Truth Squads and apparently Obama Youth.

423 hoffmonster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:42:25am

here's the deal...


22 children, ages 5-12, gathered to sing original songs in the belief that their singing would lift up our communities for the coming election. Light, hope, courage and love shine through these nonvoting children who believe that their very best contribution to the Obama campaign is to sing.

Sing for Change was a confluence of hard work, good will, and shared vision. Inspired by ideas raised at a grassroots Obama fundraiser, a music teacher, Kathy Sawada, and the children composed and rehearsed the songs in less than two weeks. Several musicians heard of the effort and volunteered to accompany the children. Parents and older siblings designed and provided the T-Shirts and the banner. There's a first for everything, but rarely do so many firsts come together at once: for the children and their parents, this is their first performance, first video, first banner, and first involvement with grassroots work on a presidential campaign.

As Sunday approached, a neighbor volunteered a home. Production wizards got wind of the project and offered their help in recording it. The likes of Jeff Zucker, Holly Schiffer, Peter Rosenfeld, Darin Moran, Jean Martin, Andy Blumenthal, and Nick Phoenix rearranged schedules to participate. Holly Schiffer was able to get three High Definition cameras (Panasonic HVX250's), and an AVID editing facility. When Jeff Zucker went to pick up the camera package, Ted Schilowitz happened to be there and offered a RED camera set up on a Steadi Cam.

What we accomplished in a few hours on a Sunday afternoon embodies the nature of the Obama campaign: its grassroots inspiration, its inclusiveness, its community building. People pitched in quickly for a cause that resonated with them. There were not many conditions: "Think this is a good idea? Want to help? Great. Sunday at 12:00." At the heart of the project were 22 children and their music. The willingness of all involved to come together for them was a testament to our hope, unity, courage, joy and belief in the future represented by these children.

We are offering the video to everyone, the Obama campaign and all media with high hopes that we can all join together to Sing for Change.

Technical info: Running time = 3 minutes; Standard Definition and HD Broadcast quality

WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD Music and lyrics by Lily Campbell, age 9

We're gonna spread happiness
We're gonna spread freedom
Obama's gonna change it
Obama's gonna lead 'em

We're gonna change it
And rearrange it
We're gonna change the world.


SING FOR CHANGE
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada

Now's the moment, lift each voice to sing
Sing with all your heart!
For our children, for our families,
Nations all joined as one.
Sing for joy and sing abundant peace,
Courage, justice, hope!
Sing together, hold each precious hand,
Lifting each other up;
Sing for vision, sing for unity,
Lifting our hearts to Sing!


YES WE CAN
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada

Yes we can
Lift each other up
In peace, in love, in hope
Change! Change!

sing...vote

424 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:42:43am

re: #395 rednaxela

How did Rush find out about the Zucker connection?

I found it via Confederat Yankee, and apparently, Sawada was so proud of the fact he "stopped by" that she mentioned him by name.

425 redstateredneck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:43:19am

re: #421 realwest

Uh, it's not that I don't believe you, but where did Confederate Yankee get the details of the PROFESSIONALS who made and posted this "amatuer" video on YouTube?


From their own website.

426 Viking6  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:43:34am

Can you say "Youth Pioneers"

[Link: youngpioneerstory.com...]

427 rednaxela  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:43:35am

re: #406 Honorary Yooper

Barry own website declares:

Sing for Obama, Sing for America!

Surreal singing and casuist patriotism. Straight out of the Kim Jong-il playbook.

428 Celtic Templar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:05am

re: #423 hoffmonster

Should we encourage distribution? I was very much disgusted and could not vote for my own guy if I saw this ... Would others react the same way?

429 LGoPs  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:20am

re: #270 Occasional Reader

[sigh]

Please, not this.

Yes, he's just man (well, manchild, whatever). If he stubs his toe getting out of the shower, he says "ow". He does not have a "666" birthmark on his scalp. Please.

Even if he did have a 666 birthmark, the media would report it as a 999

/

430 runrabbitrun  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:24am

re: #236 Peter Verkooijen


Republicans and "true conservatives" will continue to be clueless about what is going on. They will continue to call the socialists liberals and treat them civilly while getting nothing than pure hatred in return.

...see my comment #652 from last night...................

431 pegcity  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:26am

the obama campaign has officially become a personality cult movement.

if this man wins god help the people who don't support him.

i can see violence perpetrated against those who would dare speak out against dear leader.

could be the start of very dark days

432 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:45am

Umm, my up-dinger is wacko. First it was giving out 3 updings, but now it's on strike. Any suggestions?

433 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:49am

re: #421 realwest

Uh, it's not that I don't believe you, but where did Confederate Yankee get the details of the PROFESSIONALS who made and posted this "amatuer" video on YouTube?

Apparently Sawada was so proud of it, she mentioned them.

434 Viking6  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:44:58am