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Pat Condell: Welcome to Saudi Britain

Video | Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:11:34 pm PDT

The crusty old atheist has another good rant, on the British government’s appalling decision to give sharia courts the power of law.

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1 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:12:57pm

As goes England, so goes Europe.

2 zombie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:13:02pm

Pat Condell: The Conscience of Britain.

3 Catttt  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:13:08pm

One of my favorite atheists - you go, sir.

4 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:15:34pm

and I just heard on the news how terribly islamophobic it was to distribute the "obsession" DVD nationwide in papers.

5 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:15:44pm

Zombie: ought to compile a photo essay of the children being used for these leftists agendas. After watching the Children of the Corn video, I went to your site to find the "pin the maltov cocktail on the police car" photo, and noticed *all* kinds of photos with children being ...exploited for the cause of the hour.

6 zombie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:16:05pm

Ouch. Pat is ripping the British liberals a new Yorkshire-pudding-hole.

7 godfrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:16:42pm

The crimes of a minority of Catholic priests are nowhere near occurring on the scale as those perpetrated daily by Islamist men who abuse women.

Condell sees some things with perfect clarity, but not all things.

I'm glad to sign his petition, though.

8 godfrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:17:10pm

One of my favorite atheists, too.

9 zombie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:17:22pm

re: #5 Outrider

Zombie: ought to compile a photo essay of the children being used for these leftists agendas. After watching the Children of the Corn video, I went to your site to find the "pin the maltov cocktail on the police car" photo, and noticed *all* kinds of photos with children being ...exploited for the cause of the hour.

Sorry -- no time!

I have 300 ideas per day of things I ought to do -- I need to do -- and only enough spare time to do one or two per month.

10 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:18:48pm

Sharia courts should have no rights under any western law. Except it's coming. I seem to remember some grumblings out of Canuckistan that some areas were going to start allowing Sharia.

11 zombie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:19:42pm

If only we had a Pat Condell here in the colonies.

There are a few sorta feasible substitutes, but no one with the same deadpan verve.

12 RTLM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:20:15pm

Fear and self-loathing in Britain.

13 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #9 zombie

Hey, Zombie.

Time to make lib heads explode again. I came up with another type of person who could blend amongst the nuts like you and go unnoticed. We have a local hot dog vendor that wears tie die all the time and has huge peace symbols painted on his canopy. He also shows up at all the local lib protests.

It could get to the point where they wouldn't trust anyone. LOL

14 shibumi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:21:09pm

"Letter box ladies"

Hysterical.

15 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:21:43pm

re: #6 zombie

Pat is ripping the British liberals a new Yorkshire-pudding-hole.


That right there is funny, and certainly a rotating title nomination.

16 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:23:03pm

re: #10 Mars Needs Neocons

Sharia courts should have no rights under any western law. Except it's coming. I seem to remember some grumblings out of Canuckistan that some areas were going to start allowing Sharia.

That was in Ontario, and it was scuppered.

17 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:24:15pm

Didn't I see a news item to the effect that the British Tories will kill this if they form the next government?

18 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:24:34pm

As long as Pat is free to make these there is a faint glimmer of hope for Britain. When it isn't safe anymore Pat, hope on the boat. We'll find room for you here.

19 akak  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:25:55pm

Weren't they monitoring inside mosques after 7/7? Guess they chose to submit.

At least they are prepared, buying those body bags and all.

20 Nutmeg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:26:12pm

Yeah, that's a good one. Does anyone know how the petition is coming? And what chance there might be that anyone "official" will care about it?

21 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:27:09pm

Pat doesn't like what England is becoming? Nor do I, but I'd much rather see Londonistan than Detroitistan.

Vote the Hero, ditch the Zero

22 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:27:31pm

re: #16 Moe Katz

That was in Ontario, and it was scuppered.

I say for now. Who knows when it will rear its ugly head again there or here.

23 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:02pm

Barking mad and pig ignorant!

24 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:03pm

When I heard a Rush caller in my county say she'd been waiting weeks for her yard signs and bumperstickers, I called our county GOP headquarters who referred me to GOPtrunk.

Their website is down for "maintenance." Then I read this article from April that questions whether this is a Democrat operated company, the owner a big union supporter. If it is this is quite a ploy.

Update: McCain store has a link that says if you've ordered from GOPtrunk before Sept 26th, go here - which leads to the shut down website, although there are phone numbers.

Tigereye is not new to the political game. The company has been providing promotional items to Democratic Party political campaigns and labor unions since Baltes founded it in 1980. Baltes is a dyed-in-the-wool union supporter who claims to have ONLY worked for unions and Democrats — even turning down lucrative offers from Republican candidates in the past.

The company also operates a website called democraticstuff.com. Under “company info,” Tigereye proudly promotes the fact that they are in business to help Democrats win. “Before Democrats can effect change in office, they have to win. That’s where we come in… Tigereye Design is one of America’s leading manufacturers and distributors of Democratic campaign products. We are a Union company (proud members of United Steelworkers Local 3210) that exclusively serves Democratic campaigns, progressive organizations, and labor unions.”

Baltes explained his commitment to the Democratic cause in a 2006 interview with the Columbus Dispatch. He pointed out that he only works with Democrats because it “just don’t feel right working both sides.”

Today, there is every indication that Baltes may have changed his mind about working with Republicans.

Because these “official stores” gather the email addresses and actual delivery addresses of all who order items online, a candidate/campaign would presumably want to make sure that the vendor they select would have a degree of loyalty to their side of the political aisle.

But one has to ask questions about that presumption after scrutinizing goptrunk.com. The webmaster for Democrat-oriented Tigereye, Chad Groff, owns the cell phone number that was listed under the registration of goptrunk.com. The registration for that site occurred on November 5, 2007, and the registrant is identified as Frog Leg, LLC. Sources within the McCain campaign have indicated that the campaign store operations under the goptrunk.com name will be managed by Frog Leg as the campaign moves ahead. They have also acknowledged that goptrunk.com/Frog Leg has an “affiliation” with Tigereye.

Rebecca the caller, said her neighborhood is filled with Obama yardsigns - so why isn't the McCain stuff getting out?

Lots more information...

25 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:31pm
I was out earlier today, coincidentally, buying some beer, not because I enjoy beer particularly, but because I know it offends Islam"


ROFLOL

26 Billy Hank  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:36pm

Interesting that an atheist is sticking up for women's rights and english rule of law while Rowan Williams, Old Fussn'Feathers, the ABofC is peachy keen on the concept.

27 Lively  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:47pm
28 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:28:59pm

re: #11 zombie

If only we had a Pat Condell here in the colonies.

There are a few sorta feasible substitutes, but no one with the same deadpan verve.

VDH comes to mind.

29 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:29:27pm

re: #16 Moe Katz

That was in Ontario, and it was scuppered.

Quebec sqelched it first, to their credit, in approx. 2005.

30 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:29:43pm

Clouds, and shadows on the granite of the San Gabriel Mountains of California, (the Towercam, Pacific time zone).


Mountains are cool.

Meanwhile, folly abounds.

Buck up and join the remnant.

31 soccerdad  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:29:59pm

Wow -- this guy is awesome. Ilove his 'radical' way of thinking.

32 jcm  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:30:13pm

Everyone raise a beer to Pat (and insulting Islam)!

33 pegcity  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:30:47pm

great stuff thanks

34 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:31:48pm

re: #29 sparrowlake

Quebec sqelched it first, to their credit, in approx. 2005.

Oh, yeah, that's right!

35 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:31:55pm

re: #33 pegcity

great stuff thanks

Yes, thanks Charles ... always a treat to hear and see Condell.

36 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:32:27pm

I hope Mr. Condell is practicing some serious security, as in keeping his whereabouts and movements secret. I'm sure the jihadist whackjobs (is that a redundancy?) would happily kill him if they could. After all, atheists rank even lower on the Mohammedan food chain than do the Jews.

Hopefully, has has also armed himself, idiotic British laws notwithstanding.

37 RTLM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:32:47pm

re: #27 Lively

OT

Today is National Muslim Voter Registration Day.

1. Islamic Society of Chester County
1001 Pottstown Pike, West, PA 19380
2 VOLUNTEERS NEEDED - 7:30AM
(will decide Mon evening if celebrating on Tues or Wed)

2. North Penn Mosque
600 Maple Avenue, Lansdale, PA 19446
No additional volunteers needed at this time.

Am I allowed to register to vote in Church?

38 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:32:56pm

re: #29 sparrowlake

Quebec sqelched it first, to their credit, in approx. 2005.

Of course it means you can't have rabbinical courts mediating in Jewish cases either, but that's fine with me. I'm Jewish, but not theocratically so.

39 akak  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:34:14pm
An Islamist group in Somalia has destroyed a derelict church in the southern port town of Kismayo, an eyewitness has told the BBC.
The destruction took place after prayers to mark the Eid al-Fitr festival at the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
40 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:35:10pm

re: #38 Moe Katz

Of course it means you can't have rabbinical courts mediating in Jewish cases either, but that's fine with me. I'm Jewish, but not theocratically so.

but you are Kohanim buddy!

41 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:35:17pm

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(Republican/McCain Campaign email just received, RSVP required)

42 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:36:04pm

re: #9 zombie

Sorry -- no time!

I have 300 ideas per day of things I ought to do -- I need to do -- and only enough spare time to do one or two per month.

Man I hear ya. I have an announcement to make but I'm not sure LGF is the place to do it.

43 RTLM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:36:46pm

re: #27 Lively

Beter way to ask: Can a Church register people to vote inside the Church?

44 Roentgen  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:37:35pm

Mr. Condell has taken curmudgeonry to a level to which I aspire.

45 Griffon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:38:23pm

A man after my own heart. A conservative atheist.

46 davinvalkri  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:38:50pm

Hurray for a good rant--can we send this to 10 Downing Street and the Houses of Parliament?

47 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:38:53pm

re: #43 RTLM

Beter way to ask: Can a Church register people to vote inside the Church?

if they register to vote Dem

48 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:39:29pm

re: #42 BBev

Man I hear ya. I have an announcement to make but I'm not sure LGF is the place to do it.

Well, now you've gotten us all curious.

49 BlueCanuck  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:01pm

re: #10 Mars Needs Neocons

Sharia courts should have no rights under any western law. Except it's coming. I seem to remember some grumblings out of Canuckistan that some areas were going to start allowing Sharia.

That was here in Ontario. Fortunately it got squashed by a Liberal government. Only after howls of outrage from the public. Unfortunately all other forms of faith based courts that were in existence and working well were also tossed out the window.

/*sigh* at least we have no sharia courts.

50 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:27pm

as a brit, i would welcome the 101st airborne into my country, like tommorow if possible.

although with your banking crisis , i understand that america might not be able to liberate us soon.

51 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:27pm

I'm a man of few words so I will keep this brief....

RIGHT ON PAT! RIGHT ON!

Thank you.

52 Spiny Norman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:35pm

re: #43 RTLM

Beter way to ask: Can a Church register people to vote inside the Church?

Yes, would assume so. My polling place is a Methodist church, and has been for years.

53 jcm  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:41:03pm

re: #44 Roentgen

Mr. Condell has taken curmudgeonry to a level to which I aspire.

He makes it art form.

54 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:41:26pm

re: #43 RTLM

Beter way to ask: Can a Church register people to vote inside the Church?

A church can hold a registration drive, if that's what you mean.

55 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:41:40pm

re: #42 BBev

Man I hear ya. I have an announcement to make but I'm not sure LGF is the place to do it.

Fork it over. After you tell us what it is, we can let you know whether or not this is the appropriate place to make an announcement :)

56 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:41:58pm

re: #40 spidly

but you are Kohanim buddy!

As long as I get my cut of the karbanot I won't complain.

57 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:42:09pm

re: #50 buzzdroid

as a brit, i would welcome the 101st airborne into my country, like tommorow if possible.

although with your banking crisis , i understand that america might not be able to liberate us soon.

maybe we could stamp out a few million of these for you

58 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:42:18pm

re: #37 RTLM

Am I allowed to register to vote in Church?

Yes, several times.

59 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:42:35pm

re: #10 Mars Needs Neocons

Sharia courts should have no rights under any western law. Except it's coming. I seem to remember some grumblings out of Canuckistan that some areas were going to start allowing Sharia.


That was shot down a couple of years ago.... for now, emphasis (sadly) on for now.

60 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:42:51pm

re: #50 buzzdroid

as a brit, i would welcome the 101st airborne into my country, like tommorow if possible.

although with your banking crisis , i understand that america might not be able to liberate us soon.

ROFLMAO!

61 Spiny Norman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:08pm

re: #24 DistantThunder

When I heard a Rush caller in my county say she'd been waiting weeks for her yard signs and bumperstickers, I called our county GOP headquarters who referred me to GOPtrunk.

Their website is down for "maintenance." Then I read this article from April that questions whether this is a Democrat operated company, the owner a big union supporter. If it is this is quite a ploy.

Update: McCain store has a link that says if you've ordered from GOPtrunk before Sept 26th, go here - which leads to the shut down website, although there are phone numbers.

(...)

Rebecca the caller, said her neighborhood is filled with Obama yardsigns - so why isn't the McCain stuff getting out?

Has anyone received McCain campaign materials from "GOPtrunk", or was this a shameless scam by Obama's people from the get-go?

62 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:10pm

re: #45 Griffon

A man after my own heart. A conservative atheist.

you're not alone.

same deal here. just cant get my head around all that God stuff.
but i'm not out to mock anyone with Judaeo-Christian believes... after all, i understand that its the bedrock of the revolution of 1776 and America. i respect that fact. and its served America well.

63 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:25pm

re: #9 zombie

Sorry -- no time!

I have 300 ideas per day of things I ought to do -- I need to do -- and only enough spare time to do one or two per month.

;-)> Understand perfectly as that's the case for all of us I think. You just keep doing what you are doing.

64 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:40pm

re: #38 Moe Katz

Of course it means you can't have rabbinical courts mediating in Jewish cases either, but that's fine with me. I'm Jewish, but not theocratically so.

Ditto. I never had a problem with consensual rabbinical arbitration because it was actually consensual (unlike Islam's ingrained misogynism) and the principles were not repugnant to Canadian law (unlike the alien barbarisms of Sharia law). Hopefully Canadian legislatures or courts will at some point have the wisdom and courage to differentiate so that we are not forced to throw out the baby with the bath water.

65 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:41pm

re: #50 buzzdroid

as a brit, i would welcome the 101st airborne into my country, like tommorow if possible.

although with your banking crisis , i understand that america might not be able to liberate us soon.

wtf does the 101st Airborne got to do with the current financial situation? geez no wonder the muslumps are taking over there...

66 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:55pm

re: #11 zombie

If only we had a Pat Condell here in the colonies.

There are a few sorta feasible substitutes, but no one with the same deadpan verve.

They used to have one in Australia but they voted him OUT. You get who you vote for and for what they stand. Time will tell.

67 shibumi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:43:58pm

re: #21 maddogg

Pat doesn't like what England is becoming? Nor do I, but I'd much rather see Londonistan than Detroitistan.

Vote the Hero, ditch the Zero

Detroit's never going to go Muslim. The minority is now the majority in that city, and they don't want any other group coming in and laying claim to their victim status.

Also...lots of guns in Detroit. In London? Not so much. Makes a difference in the big picture.

68 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:44:56pm

re: #48 doppelganglander

Well, now you've gotten us all curious.

When I am ready

69 Spiny Norman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:45:02pm

re: #65 Spider Mensch

wtf does the 101st Airborne got to do with the current financial situation? geez no wonder the muslumps are taking over there...

Sarcasm.

70 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:45:39pm

re: #65 Spider Mensch

wtf does the 101st Airborne got to do with the current financial situation? geez no wonder the muslumps are taking over there...

It would cost us quite a bit of money to airlift the 101st into Britain to liberate them. With all the money we're being blackmailed to fork over for the "banking crisis" we probably won't have money for gas for the planes.

71 MeCurious  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:45:57pm

re: #48 doppelganglander

Well, now you've gotten us all curious.

Gee, I'm definitely curious.

72 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:04pm

re: #55 galloping granny

Fork it over. After you tell us what it is, we can let you know whether or not this is the appropriate place to make an announcement :)

your not blue

73 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:07pm

re: #67 shibumi

Detroit's never going to go Muslim. The minority is now the majority in that city, and they don't want any other group coming in and laying claim to their victim status.

Also...lots of guns in Detroit. In London? Not so much. Makes a difference in the big picture.

could go pseudo-islamic

74 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:22pm

re: #68 BBev

When I am ready

Do we have to wait long? Will you give us an appointment so we don't miss it? Inquiring minds want to know :)

75 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:25pm

re: #57 spidly

maybe we could stamp out a few million of these for you

might end up getting that way.

lets face facts here - if america goes broke, then Europe can say goodbye to American bases and American nuclear protection. Vladimir Putins tanks will then have a clear run to Paris, or even London.

and america wont care. believe me - if you guys end up in a serious depression , you sure as hell wont be thinking of Europe... and your army will have to come home to keep order.

76 lurknomore  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:30pm

Well, I just want everyone to know that BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN IS A BIG A**HOLE! I'm sorry to say that NOW, BILLY JOEL IS ANOTHER BIG
A**HOLE!


I don't even have the energy to link the fox news channel, you guys will find it yourselves...

77 talon_262  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:42pm

Charles, are you starting to use some sort of geolocation on our IP addresses in order to display the time on the comments as local time? I distinctly remember that, even within the past few days of so, it would still show the time on the comments in Pacific time.

78 RTLM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:42pm

Thanks all

:)

79 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:46:43pm

re: #72 BBev

your not blue

Am now.

80 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:47:35pm

re: #77 talon_262

Charles, are you starting to use some sort of geolocation on our IP addresses in order to display the time on the comments as local time? I distinctly remember that, even within the past few days of so, it would still show the time on the comments in Pacific time.

If he is, then it is not correct. I'm EST and the comment time is showing up as CST.

81 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:47:36pm

Well I just listened to Pat...
I have a couple thoughts.. (the white Sox are on..good luck 3 wood )
first off.. Pat will never need to use a /sarc tag..
This guy drips in it..( must have alittle lizard blood in him.)
second..Such insightful points to Islam in Britian really should be refined and force feed to the MSM....
keyword: refined...
third..OK who dresses this guy? Look..If you are going to take on Islam and your nation..at least wear a tie and do your hair..
Is that too much to ask? dress to impress.
Pretty good stuff overall..
ALSO Much to my horror i see that Rush reads LGF's.
Look Rush..what I said about your gig with ESPN was off-the -cuff and alittle mean. Nothing personal..we are both sports fans..and I respect you and your views...
/admit it..what i said was pretty funny rush..
Regards
The Hoopster

82 RTLM  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:48:16pm

I just wanted to make sure fair was fair.

83 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:48:43pm

Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel might be known for singing about blue collar workers, but don't expect to see too many attend their next concert.

To quote Jim Carrey in Ace Ventura

Lu-hooooooo-zhah-herzzzzzzz!

;-)

84 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:48:53pm

re: #65 Spider Mensch

wtf does the 101st Airborne got to do with the current financial situation? geez no wonder the muslumps are taking over there...


i was speaking in metaphorical terms , considering the content of the video.
WW2 all over again...

well if they have a separate budget thats unaffected by it, then great.

i'm all in favour of Britain becoming the 51st state.
wouldnt bother me in the slightest.

85 mcmeador  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:48:55pm

I laughed out loud many times during that video. That is priceless.

Best line: "I was out earlier today coincidentally buying some beer, not because I enjoy beer particularly, but because I know it offends Islam."

86 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:49:09pm

re: #76 lurknomore

Well, I just want everyone to know that BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN IS A BIG A**HOLE! I'm sorry to say that NOW, BILLY JOEL IS ANOTHER BIG
A**HOLE!


I don't even have the energy to link the fox news channel, you guys will find it yourselves...

if it rakes in as much as celebrity fundraisers usually do, then BO might come out a million or so in the hole

87 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:49:32pm

re: #74 galloping granny

Do we have to wait long? Will you give us an appointment so we don't miss it? Inquiring minds want to know :)

Well let me put it this way, If Obama wins I will be running for an office in the mid-terms. I have a solid base and I am also on many local and state boards.

88 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:05pm

Yaar, this guys a fellow pirate!

89 kevinmumaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:19pm
90 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:21pm

re: #70 galloping granny

It would cost us quite a bit of money to airlift the 101st into Britain to liberate them. With all the money we're being blackmailed to fork over for the "banking crisis" we probably won't have money for gas for the planes.

Ah ... lets just loan them a few gals and guys now in Germany ... should do the trick - they could all go by boat at such a savings.

/

91 shibumi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:30pm

re: #73 spidly

could go pseudo-islamic

Maybe.

However, the local churches (evangelical Christian from what I understand) are very involved in local politics, and I sense that both the politicians and the pastors like that situation, so it may not change in the near future.

92 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:50:48pm

re: #75 buzzdroid

might end up getting that way.

lets face facts here - if america goes broke, then Europe can say goodbye to American bases and American nuclear protection. Vladimir Putins tanks will then have a clear run to Paris, or even London.

and america wont care. believe me - if you guys end up in a serious depression , you sure as hell wont be thinking of Europe... and your army will have to come home to keep order.

Our army is not allowed to keep order. It is against the law - Posse Commitatus. The individual state national guards can be called up in case of a riot, but the regular army is not allowed to take any part at all in acting as police within our national borders. You might remember during Katrina all that the regular Army units that went into New Orleans could do was pass out rations and perform rescue operations.

93 talon_262  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:51:11pm

re: #80 galloping granny

If he is, then it is not correct. I'm EST and the comment time is showing up as CST.

Geolocation is not exactly perfect...depends a lot on who owns your IP address and where they've reported it as where it is.

94 alien_mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:51:50pm

i just posted this on the dead thread, so moved it over here. was curious if others are feeling anything like I am.


where is the accountability? where is the shame? it seems like with the media now having totally gone in the tank for the liberals, people are saying and doing things with total impunity, because the check and balance role that the media used to play is gone. we should be seeing resignations, scandals, criminal investigations, etc. we should not have a man with close ties to radicals and domestic terrorists so close to taking the oath of office. i think we have entered a new era of anything goes, lies can be told and it doesn't matter. people are being bought off or the stories are just not reported on so they end up deep sixed.
where are the watchdogs? nobody is minding the store. regulators let crimes go on right under their noses and when the crimes come to light nothing is done about it. congress can be as corrupt as they want, spend all they want, and put our financial system on the brink of a disaster, and then turn right around and point the finger elsewhere and say we know what to do to fix the problem, TRUST US!
i just feel that things are slipping away from us, and that the country no longer resembles what it used to be.
i haven't given up, but i'm really concerned about the future

95 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:02pm

re: #87 BBev

Well let me put it this way, If Obama wins I will be running for an office in the mid-terms. I have a solid base and I am also on many local and state boards.

Good for you. Maybe you should run either way. I suspect you'll find plenty of campaign workers somewhere you know :)

96 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:18pm

Bruce Springsteen, what a patriot.

/sarc


Born down in a dead mans town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog thats been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up

Born in the u.s.a., I was born in the u.s.a.
I was born in the u.s.a., born in the u.s.a.

Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man

Born in the u.s..a....

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man said son if it was up to me
Went down to see my v.a. man
He said son, dont you understand

I had a brother at khe sahn
Fighting off the viet cong
Theyre still there, hes all gone

He had a woman he loved in saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
Im ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run aint got nowhere to go

Born in the u.s.a., I was born in the u.s.a.
Born in the u.s.a., Im a long gone daddy in the u.s.a.
Born in the u.s.a., born in the u.s.a.
Born in the u.s.a., Im a cool rocking daddy in the u.s.a.

97 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:40pm

re: #93 talon_262

Geolocation is not exactly perfect...depends a lot on who owns your IP address and where they've reported it as where it is.

Mine works out correctly.

98 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:46pm

I worry for guys like this who stand up to evil in such a public manner.

Let us all Pray for his safety since many practitioners of the RoP(MA) would like to bring him some harm.

99 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:52:55pm

re: #85 mcmeador

I laughed out loud many times during that video. That is priceless.

Best line: "I was out earlier today coincidentally buying some beer, not because I enjoy beer particularly, but because I know it offends Islam."

in a similar way, i still smoke because of the smoking ban in pubs in the UK. i refuse to give up - its my own kind of "f**k you" to the government.

i know - its silly. but i feel like a rebel and it makes me feel good...

100 WitchDoctor  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:53:09pm

"Barking mad and..pig ignorant" Youch!

101 shibumi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:53:12pm

re: #76 lurknomore

Well, I just want everyone to know that BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN IS A BIG A**HOLE! I'm sorry to say that NOW, BILLY JOEL IS ANOTHER BIG
A**HOLE!


I don't even have the energy to link the fox news channel, you guys will find it yourselves...

I'll make it easy for you. Most musicians, actors, almost everyone in the entertainment industry, is a BIG A**HOLE.

/will they ever figure out that when they spout their beliefs that it makes @ 50% of the population NOT want to go see their films/ concerts/ etc?

102 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:53:28pm

re: #90 Bobibutu

Ah ... lets just loan them a few gals and guys now in Germany ... should do the trick - they could all go by boat at such a savings.

/

We don't have all that many left in Germany these days.

103 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:53:28pm

re: #88 LoFlyer

Yaar, this guys a fellow pirate!

Yaar! How is my fellow matey? flyer lad..grab the yardarm and be your self busy..

104 Killer Tomato  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:54:00pm

re: #87 BBev

You got my vote.

105 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:54:30pm

I like the cut of his jib....

106 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:54:50pm

re: #89 kevinmumaw

OT: Wikipedia for Murtha challenger being considered for deletion?

Hmmmm....

go figure. wiki was a cool idea that is marginally useful having been taken over by the loons

107 Dime IV  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:55:02pm

re: #6 zombie

Ouch. Pat is ripping the British liberals a new Yorkshire-pudding-hole.

"Pat the Ripper"? That's a ripping good rip, pip-pip! Rah-thuh!

Seriously, though: "Those women who are cheated out of their just entitlement in these places--as some already have been--will find that they have no recourse to the REAL law to put things right"--how many instances of like injustices committed under the auspices of sharia courts toward so-called "People of the Book" will it take for everyone to start rebelling against this incompatible interloping? Or is it all too late?

108 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:55:49pm

re: #98 Shug

I worry for guys like this who stand up to evil in such a public manner.

Let us all Pray for his safety since many practitioners of the RoP(MA) would like to bring him some harm.

i certainly wouldnt do a video like that either consideiring that there are rather a lot of islamonutters in Britain. ( side note: isnt that a shame - how we've come to this? i'm not able to criticise islam PUBLICLY .. because i fear for the safety of my family... so i have to do it anonymous.. like here on LGF)


maybe his name is a pseudonym, and he isnt actually living in Britain.

109 bolivar  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:56:02pm

re: #61 Spiny Norman

Has anyone received McCain campaign materials from "GOPtrunk", or was this a shameless scam by Obama's people from the get-go?

I have 2 sets of signs and stickers that I got an email on - unprecedented demand.....blah blah blah. I am going on Ebay. Dhimmies are clever bastics ain't they? They lie, cheat, steal, kill, bugger, rape, pillage, loot and then wonder why nobody likes them or trusts them.


/just a little

110 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:56:06pm

re: #99 buzzdroid

in a similar way, i still smoke because of the smoking ban in pubs in the UK. i refuse to give up - its my own kind of "f**k you" to the government.

i know - its silly. but i feel like a rebel and it makes me feel good...

I don't think it is silly. I smoked for many years for exactly the same reason. Finally stopped buying them a couple of years ago.

111 jcm  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:56:58pm

re: #106 spidly

go figure. wiki was a cool idea that is marginally useful having been taken over by the loons

No mention on Murtha wiki page of been sued by the Haditha Marine either.

112 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:27pm

re: #108 buzzdroid

i certainly wouldnt do a video like that either consideiring that there are rather a lot of islamonutters in Britain. ( side note: isnt that a shame - how we've come to this? i'm not able to criticise islam PUBLICLY .. because i fear for the safety of my family... so i have to do it anonymous.. like here on LGF)


maybe his name is a pseudonym, and he isnt actually living in Britain.

like the RoP doesn't chase people around the world to lop their heads off

113 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:57:44pm

OT, but we are past 100 posts, local politics.....Kinda long, but interesting...
"Yaar, Mates, A busy and successful day, with dripping irony at the end....My team got a request yesterday from the county audio/video tech to test and make sure the network outlets in the auditorium stage was "hot" and to allow video streaming from CNN to non-county P/C's for the DeKalb County Democrat party to have a party in the auditorium on Thursday night to watch and celebrate the Biden/Palin debate. We laughed at the request and sent it to the security team to evaluate and give their blessing, because there were some huge security issues with the request to be addressed before we would allow network access, much less streaming video.
Late this afternoon I was tasked with testing with the outlets, and I complied, and tested successfully with no issues except I did not know where they were streaming the video from, and I doubt it would not work without altering a firewall rule. Got in touch with the video tech and he came down to guide me.
He explained they had tested and had created a tunnel and got it to stream video through the F/W successfully. My laptop locked up loading Fire-fox and Java, locked up, then corrupted the password. So I was SOL on testing any further. I told him the security issues of allowing "unsecured" P/C's on the county network, and he laughed and told me the commissioners had been allowing unsecured citizens laptops on the network for a year or so at commissioners meetings. News to me and the security team!
Get back to IT and find all of top management piled into our offices finishing discussing some ISP access upgrades, loudly laughing and joking, generally cutting up (Mgmt likes my team, we are the most successful section in the department, and they do listen carefully to what we say.) They ended the discussion with a mention of the access for the laptops to be discussed further tomorrow, Which was when I thought it appropriate to mention that I had tested the outlets successfully, they discussed their absolute refusal to allow an unsecured P/C on the network, and the reluctance to allow streaming video through the firewall in case it grabbed all the bandwidth and our priority users like the police could not access the Internet for investigations and information. Plus the precedence of allowing streaming video for clearly non-business related functions at the expense of high priority uses. Mgmt discussed that the Audio/video section had requested a county laptop from the department, bypassing all security issues on the project, but Mgmt was taking the stand that no departmental laptops were available and would have to be supplied by the A/V group. I found this interesting because I knew in five minutes flat I could find a dormant laptop either in inventory or lying on someones desk or bag. The suggestion was put forth that we use cable video feed instead of Internet which was actually the best possible solution for the issue, not only because it allowed IT to dump the issue back on our Audio/video group, but has some actual benefits with much improved audio/video resolution to the viewers.
I will visit with mgmt first thing tomorrow to offer some suggestions and inform of the huge security hole opened up by the commissioners allowing
unsecured P/C's access to the network. The fallout from this will be interesting and I'll keep you updated. I am a little impressed with management over the issue. They are all black, and probably all vote Democrat, I know Curtis, the deputy director will vote Obama, as he knows I will vote McCain. (We love to debate each other). But they are thinking and acting professionally and non-partisan. Me' hats off to 'em!"

114 kevinmumaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:05pm

re: #106 spidly

That's ok. It spurred me to kick $50 to William T Russell for Congress. My 3rd contribution to him since July. Ha!

115 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:11pm

re: #95 galloping granny

Good for you. Maybe you should run either way. I suspect you'll find plenty of campaign workers somewhere you know :)

Thank you and I have to thank Charles also the knowledge that I have received from LGF over the past 4 years has been more then I have received in my entire life. I have been in politic my hole life but having been here has honed my skills to a point that I am know ready.

116 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:58:47pm

re: #104 Killer Tomato

You got my vote.

Thank You

117 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:18pm

re: #110 galloping granny

I don't think it is silly. I smoked for many years for exactly the same reason. Finally stopped buying them a couple of years ago.

I probably will myself in a few years. but i wonder how many teenagers are taking up smoking now because it is BANNED In the uk.

everywhere you go in the uk has signs up - "smoking banned" .. every building by LAW has to have a smoking banned sticker on its door.

law of unintended consequences prediction - teen smoking rates will rise BECAUSE of the smoking ban. because teenagers, errr,, rebel, dont they?

118 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:36pm

re: #96 Racer X


How good is your imagination ? It sure would be funny to see an "updated" parody of that song illustrating the boss's ..shall we say , less-than-patriotic attitude of late ? I would try myself but honestly.. I am not that creative.

;-)

119 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:39pm

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

120 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:59:56pm

re: #102 galloping granny

We don't have all that many left in Germany these days.

56K ... granted tho, probably 5K or less at the tip of the spear.

121 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:34pm

I've added Pat Condell to my short list of people to nominate for anti-idiotarian of the year.

122 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:37pm

re: #96 Racer X

Our Mom bought all of us kids tickets to a Boss Concert for Christmas one year.. Best Concert EVAH! had the time of our lives!
I must have sang born in the USA along with the stereo a million times..
I think it's a great song..never paid any attention to the words...
I love music..all music..well not all music..but..pretty close.. I even think 50 cent is a musical genius...I think B.B. and 50 cent should hook up like U2 did..and record some cutting edge old school/new school tunes..
/you hate me don't you?

123 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:00:43pm

Hey what happened to everyone's avatars?

124 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:01:10pm

The Cultie Kids are going to be on Hannity & Colmes

125 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:01:13pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

No- it includes domestic violence cases, which are criminal cases.

126 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:01pm

Hotair has the latest interview with Palin and McCain.

127 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:05pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

WTF? You think it's okay to force a woman to be treated like shit by a sharia court?

128 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:29pm

re: #125 Sharmuta

No- it includes domestic violence cases, which are criminal cases.

they get to apply the "rule of scimitar" on spouses?

129 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:33pm

re: #122 HoosierHoops

Our Mom bought all of us kids tickets to a Boss Concert for Christmas one year.. Best Concert EVAH! had the time of our lives!
I must have sang born in the USA along with the stereo a million times..
I think it's a great song..never paid any attention to the words...
I love music..all music..well not all music..but..pretty close.. I even think 50 cent is a musical genius...I think B.B. and 50 cent should hook up like U2 did..and record some cutting edge old school/new school tunes..
/you hate me don't you?

Na, you even like me, might even be my biggest fan.... So you must have really good tastes in music.... ;)

130 lurknomore  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:40pm

I am praying BIG TIME for Thursday When SARAH PALIN KICKS BIDEN'S BUTT ALL OVER THE PLACE, then, McCain GETS HIS BOOST, because right now, he is in a self dug hole from the comments he said this morning on fox n' friends...

I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT JOEL...DO I DARE BURN HIS CD'S?

131 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:02:44pm

re: #125 Sharmuta

No- it includes domestic violence cases, which are criminal cases.

Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess.

132 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:05pm

re: #37 RTLM

I pass that first place frequently.

Big Synagogue across the street. Big Churches next to the Synagogue.

133 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:06pm

re: #128 spidly

Let's not joke about violence against women, alright?

134 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:08pm

re: #127 MandyManners

WTF? You think it's okay to force a woman to be treated like shit by a sharia court?

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

135 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:15pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

Haven't you learned a single thing about Islam's mistreatment of women?

136 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:18pm

re: #117 buzzdroid

I probably will myself in a few years. but i wonder how many teenagers are taking up smoking now because it is BANNED In the uk.

everywhere you go in the uk has signs up - "smoking banned" .. every building by LAW has to have a smoking banned sticker on its door.

law of unintended consequences prediction - teen smoking rates will rise BECAUSE of the smoking ban. because teenagers, errr,, rebel, dont they?

and millions of old age pensioners who will live a lot longer, collecting benefits.

so in that aspect, smoking is very cost effective. You pay lots of sales and income taxes, and you die fairly early so the government doesn't have to take care of you into your 80's and beyond

137 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:22pm

re: #117 buzzdroid

I probably will myself in a few years. but i wonder how many teenagers are taking up smoking now because it is BANNED In the uk.

everywhere you go in the uk has signs up - "smoking banned" .. every building by LAW has to have a smoking banned sticker on its door.

law of unintended consequences prediction - teen smoking rates will rise BECAUSE of the smoking ban. because teenagers, errr,, rebel, dont they?

And grownups don't?

/One thing I learned pretty early on is that the quickest way to get a kid to do something is to tell them they can't. Works like a charm even with two year olds who don't want to eat their veggies. Just don't give them any and tell them that's only for the big people.

138 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:46pm

re: #118 right_in_canada

How good is your imagination ? It sure would be funny to see an "updated" parody of that song illustrating the boss's ..shall we say , less-than-patriotic attitude of late ? I would try myself but honestly.. I am not that creative.

;-)

as fr as jyrics Ican't help, but as a performance well you can get obama, his minister the rev wright, and bruce (i was cool in 1976!) springheel..and have then sing "Born in the GOD DAMN USA!"

139 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:03:51pm

re: #131 EIDE_Interface

Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess.

Then that makes the UK and you complicit in their abuse if you're just going to stand by and allow it to happen.

140 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:01pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

Well thats the rub isn't it? The woman under muslim law has the rights of what? a dog?
We are talking real people here..check your theories at the door.

141 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:03pm

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

Why, you snivelling asshole!

142 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:17pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

WOW, you have not seen the light. Come over here so I can hit you with one.

143 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:31pm

The Brits will fight.

Anyone who believes the last 20 years of politically correct stupidity inspired by an economic boom of historical proportions will override 1500 years of cultural history is not reading the right books.

When push comes to shove, the Brits will fight.

144 n in wi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:39pm

re: #98 Shug

I worry for guys like this who stand up to evil in such a public manner.

Let us all Pray for his safety since many practitioners of the RoP(MA) would like to bring him some harm.

Now that is dripping with irony. Judeo/Christian values encourages us to pray for an atheist that is under some assumed danger because he disagrees with the religious beliefs of Islam.
Thinks that make you go HMMM?

145 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:41pm

re: #130 lurknomore

I am praying BIG TIME for Thursday When SARAH PALIN KICKS BIDEN'S BUTT ALL OVER THE PLACE, then, McCain GETS HIS BOOST, because right now, he is in a self dug hole from the comments he said this morning on fox n' friends...

I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT JOEL...DO I DARE BURN HIS CD'S?

just make it a point to pirate the stuff you don't have - he's rich and owes it to you anyway, right?
burn copies and hand them out

146 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:49pm

re: #130 lurknomore

I am praying BIG TIME for Thursday When SARAH PALIN KICKS BIDEN'S BUTT ALL OVER THE PLACE, then, McCain GETS HIS BOOST, because right now, he is in a self dug hole from the comments he said this morning on fox n' friends...

I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT JOEL...DO I DARE BURN HIS CD'S?

Why? He was good back when (having since burned his career).

147 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:04:53pm

re: #138 Spider Mensch


roflmao X-D

148 jcm  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:05:15pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

It's separate judicial system.

You don't see a problem with that?

149 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:05:16pm

i'm in the school of thought that the smoking ban is a step towards getting all of us used to the idea of government controlling what we do.
and its a step towards either sharia or fascism.

look - i think california has done a good job on the smoking ban - you have smoking bars and non-smoking ones. the decision is down to you.

over here in the uk its a BLANKET ban... even cigar clubs are now banned.

a rocker , in a band, like the Rolling Stones - cant smoke in a concert venue.
that sort of ban.

one ban leads to another, and before you know it - 10 or 20 years on, we have sharia. and boy are the EU in love with the idea. they dont have a democratic bone in their body. they welcome it.

150 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:05:17pm

re: #50 buzzdroid

That was good.

Laughed out loud, wife is yelling at me now from the bedroom.

151 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:05:25pm

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

Are you one of those who think whatever happens to a wife at the hands of a husband is okay 'cause she's his property?

152 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:05:56pm

re: #137 galloping granny

And grownups don't?

/One thing I learned pretty early on is that the quickest way to get a kid to do something is to tell them they can't. Works like a charm even with two year olds who don't want to eat their veggies. Just don't give them any and tell them that's only for the big people.

Gawd but you're evil.

I like that.

153 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:02pm

Barking Mad! Letterbox Ladies! Mwahahaha!

154 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:03pm

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

Evil wins when good men do nothing to stop it. You should be ashamed to say such things.

155 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:10pm

re: #122 HoosierHoops

I think it's a great song..never paid any attention to the words...


I used to think it was a great song too - until I looked at the words and thought "WTF?" America is a great country.

I love all kinds of music too - rap, country rock, house, whatever. Born in the USA is often played like it is a patriotic song - it does not appear that way to me.

156 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:20pm
157 EIDE_Interface[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:27pm
158 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:32pm

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

I don't believe just said that...keep it thier getto? Like jewish people never suffered through a getto..Ever hear of Watts?
disgusting statement..Should have stopped with your first dumb statement

159 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:06:44pm

re: #144 n in wi

Now that is dripping with irony. Judeo/Christian values encourages us to pray for an atheist that is under some assumed danger because he disagrees with the religious beliefs of Islam.
Thinks that make you go HMMM?

It's a win-win because it pisses everyone off!

160 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:07:02pm

re: #127 MandyManners

WTF? You think it's okay to force a woman to be treated like shit by a sharia court?

Haar, the issue is that a Muslim woman beaten by her husband, will be intimidated into "Sharia" law which explicately allows unequal rights to women. Under Sharia law woman are considered "property"
/this is whale-sh*t mateys! Its a two way street!

161 kevinmumaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:07:06pm

The video of Barney frank castigating Republicans for daring to suggest anything was wrong with Fannie Mae just played on Hannity & Skeletor.

162 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:07:13pm

re: #72 BBev

Well, whatever it is, I hope all is ok with you.

163 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:07:31pm

re: #131 EIDE_Interface

:sigh:

164 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:08pm

re: #138 Spider Mensch


no more typing while laying down..geez, if I read that I would swear I was drunk or sniffing ether or something...lol

165 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:08pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Justifying it? You're giving it a fucking pass!

166 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:09pm

re: #149 buzzdroid

i'm in the school of thought that the smoking ban is a step towards getting all of us used to the idea of government controlling what we do.
and its a step towards either sharia or fascism.

look - i think california has done a good job on the smoking ban - you have smoking bars and non-smoking ones. the decision is down to you.

over here in the uk its a BLANKET ban... even cigar clubs are now banned.

a rocker , in a band, like the Rolling Stones - cant smoke in a concert venue.
that sort of ban.

one ban leads to another, and before you know it - 10 or 20 years on, we have sharia. and boy are the EU in love with the idea. they dont have a democratic bone in their body. they welcome it.

I definitely agree with you. Your government is well down the road of exercising Big Brother levels of control over you. Someone posted an article earlier today stating that because of "global warming" people in Britain should eat meat/milk no more than 4 times a week. You got that much meat during WWII.

167 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:09pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Are you one of those who think whatever happens to a wife at the hands of a husband is okay 'cause she's his property?


yes mandy..disgusting posts tonight..
It's like mankind has advanced -600 years..

168 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #156 taxfreekiller

have you noticed that clay aiken's plastic surgeries have left him looking like a young skeletor colmes?

169 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:15pm
170 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:20pm

re: #131 EIDE_Interface

Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess.

oh no you di'nt

171 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:25pm

re: #136 Shug

and millions of old age pensioners who will live a lot longer, collecting benefits.

so in that aspect, smoking is very cost effective. You pay lots of sales and income taxes, and you die fairly early so the government doesn't have to take care of you into your 80's and beyond

totally agree. however, the dumbasses in our socialist government want to always social engineer.. so you'll end up with a demographic disaster as even more MILLIONS of old people claim from the state. because they gave up ciggies.

oops...

172 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:40pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface
The problem is, what goes on in their 'community' is soon in the rest of our communities. Why the fuck should some batshit crazy 7th century crap be tolerated in the 21st century?

173 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:40pm

re: #154 Sharmuta

Evil wins when good men do nothing to stop it. You should be ashamed to say such things.

I really hate to agree with EIDE on this one, but the hallmark of a democratic republic is allowing people to make their own choices. What we really need to do is find a way to educate Muslim women so that they reject Islam's treatment of them.

174 lurknomore  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:41pm

re: #145 spidly

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE ORIGINAL, I'LL SECRETLY MAKE THEM VANISH, THAN HAVE MY HUSBAND GET THEM FOR FREE!

175 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:45pm

re: #150 formercorpsman

That was good.

Laughed out loud, wife is yelling at me now from the bedroom.

Buzzdroid wants to be able to say
"Overpaid, over-sexed and OVER HERE!"

ROTFL.

176 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:08:57pm

Eeyore has shown up.

Wonderful.

Can we please all ignore it?

Dude is a moby if I have ever seen one. He is laughing at all of you every time you post to it. Keep that in mind.

177 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:00pm

re: #158 HoosierHoops

I don't believe just said that...keep it thier getto? Like jewish people never suffered through a getto..Ever hear of Watts?
disgusting statement..Should have stopped with your first dumb statement

There is no real equivalent between the old Jewish ghetto and the Muslim ghetto. The old Jewish ghetto was enforced by the gentiles, the Muslim ghetto is self-enforced. We welcome everyone to the Western society and our freedoms. Muslims choose to live in self-imposed slavery. We do not have the right to free a people that doesn't want to be free.

178 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:25pm

re: #170 Shug

Love the new avatar. Baby boy looks great!

179 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:26pm

re: #166 galloping granny

I definitely agree with you. Your government is well down the road of exercising Big Brother levels of control over you. Someone posted an article earlier today stating that because of "global warming" people in Britain should eat meat/milk no more than 4 times a week. You got that much meat during WWII.

cant get your chips in newspaper anymore because of unproven print poisoning

180 godfrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:30pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

They're in your house, making a mess, abusing each other, thumbing their noses at your rules, proclaiming themselves the new owners of your house, and have no intention of leaving.

181 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #156 taxfreekiller

So, why do the conservative talk show host keep the liberal loon owners of the things like ABC radio net work alive. Why does Fox News allow that useless piece of shit skelator on national TV, if it were not for conservatives Fox News would not exist at all yet there he is spouting bull shit Obama lies and fraud and enabling this commie loon to get votes.

Stand up fight like you understand its your country, its your freedom, your grandchildren's future.

Just listen now on Fox there he is spouting the commie line, and on your dime.

f that.


If you are referring to Bill O'R and John Kerry interview , I agree sort of. The way I see it, it may be just a show to say, look at this jack-ass, even after losing the election in '04 he still thinks he is relevant.
For purposes of animation, nothing more.

182 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them? OTOH, I don't like having an enemy fifth column in a western country either. Probably better to deport them back to their home countries, as the ghetto troubles will most likely spill over into the Western communities.

BTW - I am not justifying Muslim misogyny. Just saying that I write off their entire community.

Bullshit. You ARE justifying it by not wanting it to be stopped. You're just as bad as a neighbor who looks the other way when a woman is abused.

183 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:37pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

Yeah, that's what I thought at first; the gov has a process for any group to become accredited arbitrators. So what's the big deal right? Well like others have mentioned, the participants (particularly the women) may or may not be actually participating of their own free nor understand their rights under the law as far as refusing to accept this form of judgment and the judgments are derived from the barbarisms that some sharia law is.

The main point is; there is no appeal. Once the arbitration is accepted, the "loser" can't say "wait a minute, I want the REAL law to be used".

184 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:39pm

re: #171 buzzdroid

totally agree. however, the dumbasses in our socialist government want to always social engineer.. so you'll end up with a demographic disaster as even more MILLIONS of old people claim from the state. because they gave up ciggies.

oops...

I love the laws of unintended consequences.

and nobody does it like the government !

185 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:09:56pm

re: #173 doriangrey

The women in these cases go not have the right to make their own decision, dorian.

186 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:09pm
187 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:37pm

re: #178 Sharmuta


Everybody looks good in a McCain Palin hat

;)

188 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

Er- do not have the right.

189 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #177 EIDE_Interface

You're fucking despicable.

190 jcm  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:46pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them? OTOH, I don't like having an enemy fifth column in a western country either. Probably better to deport them back to their home countries, as the ghetto troubles will most likely spill over into the Western communities.

BTW - I am not justifying Muslim misogyny. Just saying that I write off their entire community.

You don't write it off within your own borders. That's start the slide to Balkanization. They immigrate to a host country, they adapt to the host, not the other way around.

191 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:10:51pm

re: #152 OldLineTexan

Gawd but you're evil.

I like that.

That would be me :)

192 kevinmumaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:04pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

I would say if they want to live under Wahhabist Cavamen law, go back to ******* Saudi Arabia. They can whip each other and hurls stones at each other all day long for all I care...in Saudi Arabia. Keep it the **** away from me. I have no patience for this sharia crap. Why do they leave a country with Sharia law, and then try to instill sharia law? It needs to be gone. Period.

193 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:17pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

The women in these cases go not have the right to make their own decision, dorian.

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

194 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:18pm

re: #189 MandyManners

You're fucking despicable.

2nd the motion to wiki-delete eide

195 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:26pm

re: #87 BBev

Well let me put it this way, If Obama wins I will be running for an office in the mid-terms. I have a solid base and I am also on many local and state boards.

Super! I wish you all the best.

196 lurknomore  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:29pm

re: #174 lurknomore


Actually, I don't ever want to hear his VOICE again.... It's a SAD NIGHT for me tonight...

197 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:36pm

Oh Hey Dorian..saw your post..
The Hoopster thinks you are a great musician...I like your words too..
you rock dude!
LOL

198 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:43pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

The women in these cases go not have the right to make their own decision, dorian.

Actually in none Islamic countries Like the UK France or America they do have that right, they just don't realize it.

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:50pm
200 spidly  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:51pm

off to tashlich

201 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:11:55pm

re: #189 MandyManners

You're fucking despicable.

Based on my observation of the differences between the Jewish and Muslim ghettos? How so?

202 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:00pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

You don't know shit about DV so why don't you SHUT THE FUCK UP?

203 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:06pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them?

Who are we?

the twentyfuckingfirst century

204 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:10pm

re: #189 MandyManners

You're fucking despicable.

He is a moby.

He is laughing at all of us.

Ignore it. And laugh back it.

205 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:23pm

re: #173 doriangrey
Thing is they can't. They'll end up room temp in an honor killing.

206 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:24pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

No they don't! They are born into it and if they try to leave it they are threatened or killed!

207 n in wi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:34pm

re: #156 taxfreekiller I love watching Colmes get his ass handed to him every time Rove or Gingrich are on. They practically laugh in his face.

208 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #190 jcm

You don't write it off within your own borders. That's start the slide to Balkanization. They immigrate to a host country, they adapt to the host, not the other way around.

I agree - better to deport them back to their home countries. It's impossible to reform them.

209 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:12:51pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them? OTOH, I don't like having an enemy fifth column in a western country either. Probably better to deport them back to their home countries, as the ghetto troubles will most likely spill over into the Western communities.

BTW - I am not justifying Muslim misogyny. Just saying that I write off their entire community.

Haar, you ignorant slut! This is about global domination by a Islamic caliphate. Either we bring the Islamic middle east into the modern civilization or we fight and kill them. I have no doubts who will be the victor! Yo Ho! Ho!

210 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:20pm

re: #198 doriangrey

Actually in none Islamic countries Like the UK France or America they do have that right, they just don't realize it.

And allowing shari'a courts helps them how?

211 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:21pm
212 godfrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:26pm

Being a moby is also shite. A moby causes good people to waste their goodness.

213 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:26pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them? OTOH, I don't like having an enemy fifth column in a western country either. Probably better to deport them back to their home countries, as the ghetto troubles will most likely spill over into the Western communities.

BTW - I am not justifying Muslim misogyny. Just saying that I write off their entire community.

If they don't like it they should go back to the shit hole they came form. I am so sick and tired of cow towing to there needs and wants. I have a good friend who's dad is a WW II veteran of Britain an wishes he could come here to America because of the shit that the government is allowing over there.

214 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:34pm

re: #208 EIDE_Interface

I agree - better to deport them back to their home countries. It's impossible to reform them.

You cannot deport citizens/subjects.

215 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:13:37pm

re: #173 doriangrey

I really hate to agree with EIDE on this one, but the hallmark of a democratic republic is allowing people to make their own choices. What we really need to do is find a way to educate Muslim women so that they reject Islam's treatment of them.

That is one of the reasons our military builds schools for them.

216 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:03pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

No they don't! They are born into it and if they try to leave it they are threatened or killed!

Are you saying that if a female even tries to physically leave the community, some male will stop her? If it's a hostage situation then we should free them, otherwise it's just a cultural issue.

217 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:04pm

So, how long before Pat condell is found with his head about 5 feet from his shoulders?

218 Racer X  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:08pm

I'll be back later when Eeyore the moby is gone.

It brings a nasty smell to this place, and I cannot stand the stench any longer.

219 loup-garou  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:20pm

poor England

220 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:35pm

re: #213 BBev

If they don't like it they should go back to the shit hole they came form. I am so sick and tired of cow towing to there needs and wants. I have a good friend who's dad is a WW II veteran of Britain an wishes he could come here to America because of the shit that the government is allowing over there.

Agreed! Send them back to their shitholes.

221 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:36pm

re: #209 LoFlyer
Is it talk like a pirate day? Or have you been into the Capt. Morgan?

222 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:36pm

re: #211 taxfreekiller

I don't know.

What I do know is that I need to stop now before I get my ass booted.

223 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:36pm

re: #92 galloping granny

Our army is not allowed to keep order. It is against the law - Posse Commitatus. The individual state national guards can be called up in case of a riot, but the regular army is not allowed to take any part at all in acting as police within our national borders. You might remember during Katrina all that the regular Army units that went into New Orleans could do was pass out rations and perform rescue operations.


Not in all cases. The POTUS can declare a state of insurrection exists.

Within 48 hours, the National Guard was mobilized, to be followed by the 82nd airborne on the riot’s fourth day.

In reference to the '67 Detroit riots.

The following per

Wiki

Your text to link...

...Shortly before midnight on Monday, July 24, President Johnson authorized use of Federal troops by using a law from 1795, which stated that the President may call in armed forces whenever there is an insurrection in any state against the government.[19] The 82nd Airborne had earlier been positioned at nearby Selfridge Air Force Base in suburban Macomb County, along with National Guard troops who were federalized at that time. Starting at 1:30 AM Tuesday July 25, some 8,000 National Guardsmen were deployed to quell the disorder. Later their number would be augmented with 4,700 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne, and 360 Michigan State Police...Of the 12 people shot and killed by troops, only one was by a Federal soldier, possibly because the Federal troops were ordered not to load their guns except under the direct order of an officer....Tanks[22] and machine guns[23] were used in the effort to keep the peace. Film footage and photos shown internationally of a city on fire, with tanks and combat troops in firefights in the streets, sealed Detroit's reputation for decades to come....

224 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:46pm

re: #162 formercorpsman

Well, whatever it is, I hope all is ok with you.

Well thats another subject that I will not discuss here :-)

225 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:49pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

And this justifies allowing them to be screwed over by the court system?!

226 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:14:50pm

re: #175 OldLineTexan

Buzzdroid wants to be able to say
"Overpaid, over-sexed and OVER HERE!"

ROTFL.

no joke. its gonna happen again. there's a lot of brits who are wondering about that kind of nuclear option - we cant get rid of the EU.. sharia law is coming, and we are unarmed... we have no options besides asking the yanks to invade us again.


only this time - can you guys make it more permanent. no going off to omaha beach this time. thanks...

pretty sure that there are plenty in the british army who would gladly help you - as long as you dont topple the Queen..

(the queen is all that matters.. we just hate parliament.. you can reshape that all you like..)

227 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:01pm

re: #216 EIDE_Interface

Are you saying that if a female even tries to physically leave the community, some male will stop her? If it's a hostage situation then we should free them, otherwise it's just a cultural issue.

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU IGNORANT MOTHERFUCKER.

228 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:09pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.


Ain't that easy.

229 godfrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:10pm

Londonistan is a powerful book, lizards.

230 kevinmumaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:11pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

They get ******* killed if they choose otherwise. Is that really a choice? Honor killing are defacto accepted in these backwards ass cave countries. It's bull shit.

231 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:18pm

re: #135 MandyManners

Haven't you learned a single thing about Islam's mistreatment of women?

He's trolling again. And look how he's gotten a rise out of us. He knows exactly what he's doing.

232 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:28pm

re: #205 pingjockey

Thing is they can't. They'll end up room temp in an honor killing.

And that is something that we can and must change. Commit a honor killing go straight to jail hell do not pass go do not collect 72 virgins. We and only we can force those animals to adhere to our laws and tell them to stick their Sharia laws where the sun does not shine...

233 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:29pm

re: #217 maddogg

So, how long before Pat condell is found with his head about 5 feet from his shoulders?

Aww, c'mon dogg! The RoP would never stoop to those standards.

///

234 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:15:34pm

re: #225 Sharmuta

And this justifies allowing them to be screwed over by the court system?!

You can't help people that refuse to help themselves. They have to take the initial step, UNLESS you can prove that it's a mass hostage situation.

235 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:16:03pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

It's not as easy as you seem to think. Even a Western woman who is abused often takes years to finally flee her abuser. I firmly believe the key to defeating Islam, especially in the west, is to empower the women. Allowing shari'a law to take root keeps them imprisoned and leads to yet another generation of abuse. You are taking isolationism to an extreme and I'm relieved you aren't finding any support here.

236 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:16:25pm

re: #195 doppelganglander

Super! I wish you all the best.

Thank you.

237 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:16:29pm

re: #234 EIDE_Interface

You are ignorant.

238 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:16:38pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

Wow.

Just. Wow.

239 EIDE_Interface[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:16:51pm
240 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:16:59pm
241 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:21pm

re: #223 Outrider

Insurrection is a little bit different than mere keeping order and rioting.

242 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:22pm

re: #232 doriangrey
We do that here. Don't know about across the pond.

243 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:24pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

Edie, a few Muslim women in the UK have run away to womens' shelters, and in one or two instances, Muslim cops on duty at the shelters then ratted them out to their abusers.

But most of the abused Muslim women simply don't have the guts to leave. Hell, even non-religious abused women seem to have trouble leaving an abusive situation, or get right back into another, from time to time.

244 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:25pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

You don't think there is an element of corruptibility, or intimidation for women in such a system?

Another difference being, in a country with common law, would you not prefer everyone follows the same set of rules?

This on certain levels, eliminates fair & equal protection under the law.

We already know, our courts here have become politicized, why invite it?

245 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:25pm

re: #194 spidly

2nd the motion to wiki-delete eide

Opposed. Let it speak.

/.02

246 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:29pm

(fingers in ears)
(eyes closed )

na na na na moby I can't hear you

247 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:33pm

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Wow.

Just. Wow.

What do you know how most Muslims women think? Why do you presume.

248 kevinmumaw  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:40pm

re: #214 MandyManners

You cannot deport citizens/subjects.

Napoleon got exiled. Forced exile.

249 n in wi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:46pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them? OTOH, I don't like having an enemy fifth column in a western country either. Probably better to deport them back to their home countries, as the ghetto troubles will most likely spill over into the Western communities.

BTW - I am not justifying Muslim misogyny. Just saying that I write off their entire community.


I would not write off the Muslim women of the world. They will be a major part of transforming the radical Muslim. At some point, Muslim women will revolt against being second class citizens used only to breed the next suicide bomber. I hope that is mission #1, when Sara Palin becomes V.P.

250 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:17:59pm

re: #221 pingjockey

Is it talk like a pirate day? Or have you been into the Capt. Morgan?

Me' Hero! haven't seen him lately though!

251 jorline  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:15pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

**self deleted**

Why waste the bandwidth on another one of your dumb-ass comments.

252 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:17pm

re: #157 EIDE_Interface

Look. Muslims insist on keeping to their ghetto. They don't want to assimilate to any Western values. Who are we to force them? OTOH, I don't like having an enemy fifth column in a western country either. Probably better to deport them back to their home countries, as the ghetto troubles will most likely spill over into the Western communities.

BTW - I am not justifying Muslim misogyny. Just saying that I write off their entire community.

Clue: They aren't keeping to their ghetto. In Minneapolis, Mn they pretty much drive 100% of all cabs. They refused to take guide dogs because the dogs are 'unclean' according to islam. Fly into the country with a couple bottles of booze and they might refuse to carry you because of the ban on the adherents of islam not having anything to do with alcohol.

The Twin Cities went snake sh*t on this one and told the cabbies, you either carry the passengers with the alcohol and guide dogs or we will keep you from picking up passengers at the airport ($$$$ loss). They are here and they don't assimilate. Also, all of the mosques in the Chicago area have been infiltrated by wahabbis from Saudi Arabia and they do recruit for the jihad from those mosques.

253 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:25pm

re: #226 buzzdroid

no joke. its gonna happen again. there's a lot of brits who are wondering about that kind of nuclear option - we cant get rid of the EU.. sharia law is coming, and we are unarmed... we have no options besides asking the yanks to invade us again.


only this time - can you guys make it more permanent. no going off to omaha beach this time. thanks...

pretty sure that there are plenty in the british army who would gladly help you - as long as you dont topple the Queen..

(the queen is all that matters.. we just hate parliament.. you can reshape that all you like..)

I would have thought Madonna would've turned the Brits off EVER having Americans "over" again...or did y'all dump her on France?

/

254 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:29pm

re: #234 EIDE_Interface
You are a fool. I'm a bigger fool for replying to such asshattery.

255 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:32pm

re: #243 Alberta Oil Peon

Edie, a few Muslim women in the UK have run away to womens' shelters, and in one or two instances, Muslim cops on duty at the shelters then ratted them out to their abusers.

But most of the abused Muslim women simply don't have the guts to leave. Hell, even non-religious abused women seem to have trouble leaving an abusive situation, or get right back into another, from time to time.

Well in that case, it's a mass hostage situation and the UK should declare martial law and free the women ASAP.

256 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:45pm

re: #130 lurknomore

Joel?

257 DistantThunder  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:47pm

re: #61 Spiny Norman

Has anyone received McCain campaign materials from "GOPtrunk", or was this a shameless scam by Obama's people from the get-go?

Not sure, but the alert on the McCain site and downed Trunk site means something's up.

258 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:53pm

re: #247 EIDE_Interface

What do you know how most Muslims women think? Why do you presume.

GAZE

259 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:18:59pm

re: #235 doppelganglander

It's not as easy as you seem to think. Even a Western woman who is abused often takes years to finally flee her abuser. I firmly believe the key to defeating Islam, especially in the west, is to empower the women. Allowing shari'a law to take root keeps them imprisoned and leads to yet another generation of abuse. You are taking isolationism to an extreme and I'm relieved you aren't finding any support here.

Dopp, are you an Metro Atlanta lizard?

260 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:19:28pm

re: #252 Perplexed

Clue: They aren't keeping to their ghetto. In Minneapolis, Mn they pretty much drive 100% of all cabs. They refused to take guide dogs because the dogs are 'unclean' according to islam. Fly into the country with a couple bottles of booze and they might refuse to carry you because of the ban on the adherents of islam not having anything to do with alcohol.

The Twin Cities went snake sh*t on this one and told the cabbies, you either carry the passengers with the alcohol and guide dogs or we will keep you from picking up passengers at the airport ($$$$ loss). They are here and they don't assimilate. Also, all of the mosques in the Chicago area have been infiltrated by wahabbis from Saudi Arabia and they do recruit for the jihad from those mosques.

Yeah I read about that. IT's a reason I won't be traveling to MN any time soon.

261 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:19:28pm

re: #175 OldLineTexan

Sign me up!

262 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:19:37pm

Thome went deep-White Sox up 1-0 in the 7th!

263 Spiny Norman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:19:44pm

re: #231 Moe Katz

He's trolling again. And look how he's gotten a rise out of us. He knows exactly what he's doing.

I wonder if he's Ranbutan (aka HWSNBN) with another nic. Probably not, but regardless, I've been ignoring him for some time now.

264 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:19:49pm

re: #250 LoFlyer


Time for you to walk the plank !

/j

265 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:19:58pm
266 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:20:15pm

re: #247 EIDE_Interface

What do you know how most Muslims women think? Why do you presume.

YOU DON'T KNOW A SINGLE FUCKING THING ABOUT DV SO WHY DON'T YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP?

267 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:20:25pm

Jeez - all you have to do is espouse a contrary opinion and they all gang up on you here. Whatever happened to dissent?

268 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:20:25pm

re: #239 EIDE_Interface
JESUS IN THE HAYMOW! WHAt part of Sharia Law is now legal in Britain don't you get? That means it is in the culture and affects every Briton whether they like it or not.

269 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:20:29pm

EIDE:
Muslims choose to live in self-imposed slavery..
hello? the topic was women living under muslim rule..
what part of self-imposed slavery are we talking about?
jeez..don't bother EIDE..you aren't worth my time

270 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:20:31pm

re: #216 EIDE_Interface

Are you saying that if a female even tries to physically leave the community, some male will stop her? If it's a hostage situation then we should free them, otherwise it's just a cultural issue.

From the way you express yourself you have never lived in a Muslim country. I have.

In my experience, Shar speaks the truth.

You, on the other hand, don't know what you are talking about.

271 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:20:37pm

re: #249 n in wi

I would not write off the Muslim women of the world. They will be a major part of transforming the radical Muslim. At some point, Muslim women will revolt against being second class citizens used only to breed the next suicide bomber. I hope that is mission #1, when Sara Palin becomes V.P.

damn good point!

and of course , hasnt been pointed out by any socialist. because they are in bed with the islamists.
that is why they HATE palin.

palin is their nemisis.

272 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:21:13pm

Shari'a law considers a woman to be worth half that of a man- and the UK has sanctioned unequal treatment for a large portion of their population.

And if they can make a muslim woman unequal in the eyes of the law- who's next?

In a society based on the rule of law, we are either all equal in the eyes of that law or we are not.

First they came for the muslim women, and I said nothing, because I was not a muslim woman.

273 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:21:19pm

re: #239 EIDE_Interface
If there is no justice in the Muslim ghettos, there is no justice anywhere, and the laws are meaningless.

274 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:21:21pm

re: #239 EIDE_Interface

Honestly I don't care what they do in their own ghettos. I can't be bothered to care. All I do care is that their culture does not infect Western culture. Which is why they must either be contained or deported. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Contained! Dude this is not how things are done! I do not want a country where people are "Contained"!

275 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:21:22pm

re: #265 taxfreekiller

((((((tfk))))))

276 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:21:38pm

re: #259 LoFlyer

Yes, we've corresponded. I couldn't make the previous meet up but I plan to be there with bells on for the next one.

277 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:21:51pm

re: #264 right_in_canada

Time for you to walk the plank !

/j

Obviously I have mis-percieved something here, explain me' injustices and I'll walk the plank...

278 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:22:34pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

Jeez - all you have to do is espouse a contrary opinion and they all gang up on you here. Whatever happened to dissent?

You don't have an opinion. You have a bunch of ignorant shit oozing out of your ears.

279 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:22:35pm

re: #193 EIDE_Interface

But they choose to be part of that culture. They could run away any moment to a Western shelter and begin a new life. They choose not to.

If you knew anything about the depth of the abused muslim wife problem in Britain, you would understand that even if a woman find the courage to go into a shelter, she must abandon her entire family permanently and she will live in fear every day of her life of even her own parents. There have been a number of incidents where taxi drivers (mostly muslim in the cities, just like here) have told "dishonored" spouses and fathers where these women are. More than a few have been killed.

280 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:22:49pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

Shari'a law considers a woman to be worth half that of a man- and the UK has sanctioned unequal treatment for a large portion of their population.

And if they can make a muslim woman unequal in the eyes of the law- who's next?

In a society based on the rule of law, we are either all equal in the eyes of that law or we are not.

First they came for the muslim women, and I said nothing, because I was not a muslim woman.

So where is the NOW ?

Oh yeah, that's right....they are probably at the Obama Bin Biden concert!

:-)

281 jwb7605  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:23:12pm

re: #271 buzzdroid

damn good point!

and of course , hasnt been pointed out by any socialist. because they are in bed with the islamists.
that is why they HATE palin.

palin is their nemisis.

I second the damn good point!
I also like your avatar.
I just got here.
And I'm confused. Are we talking about what the British decided, or are we talking about Sharia law here in the USA?

282 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:23:17pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

Jeez - all you have to do is espouse a contrary opinion and they all gang up on you here. Whatever happened to dissent?

There is NO contrary opinion about DV. It is WRONG.

283 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:23:27pm

re: #99 buzzdroid

in a similar way, i still smoke because of the smoking ban in pubs in the UK. i refuse to give up - its my own kind of "f**k you" to the government.

i know - its silly. but i feel like a rebel and it makes me feel good...

I told my husband that if Tennessee and Arkansas keep banning smoking everywhere, I'm going to start. Just to piss people off.

/of course I won't actually inhale freakin smoke into my lungs, but that's beside the point.

284 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:23:32pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

And allowing shari'a courts helps them how?

The UK doesn't have the separation of church and state clause America has. It needs one very badly. We very badly need to ensure that ours is enforced to the letter. Please try remembering that fascists are people who force their ideology on people they believe are misguided or to ignorant to govern themselves. We cannot allow ourselves to adopt fascist tactics even for the good of the women of Islam. What we absolutely must do is find methods to free them from the shackles of Islamic oppression without exchanging their Islamic shackles with western fascist shackles while placing those exact same fascists shackles on ourselves in the process.

285 LoFlyer  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:23:39pm

re: #276 doppelganglander

Yes, we've corresponded. I couldn't make the previous meet up but I plan to be there with bells on for the next one.

Kewl, a lot of interesting things going down, and Noam and I could use the company, mate!

286 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:23:59pm

re: #265 taxfreekiller

OK

Mandy, tell Charles and the monitors that tfk will be back when this islamic death cult enabler is no longer posting his bull shit here, if I could find him he would revise his shit after he got his teeth fixed.

he's British?

/sorry

287 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:01pm

re: #234 EIDE_Interface

You can't help people that refuse to help themselves. They have to take the initial step, UNLESS you can prove that it's a mass hostage situation.

That matches the mindset that went with spouse abuse here in the US years back, and even now. The wife can not in most cases just pick up and leave. Economics are merely a small part, the "brainwashing" and self worth destabilization that goes with the abuse makes up a substantial part.

In other countries, it is even worse; as there is no place to go-no spouse abuse shelters to assist them in their escape. In those areas of England and Europe where the Muslim is the majority, it is just as bad to escape. Most times the women have to reconcile in their minds the cultural backgound they have been brought up with.

I do wish you would think for a minute or two before you insert your head up your fourth point of contact.

288 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:08pm

re: #168 spidly

He has the same mental illness as Michael Jackson.

Seriously, think about it.

Something pathological about him.

289 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:11pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

Jeez - all you have to do is espouse a contrary opinion and they all gang up on you here. Whatever happened to dissent?

I defended your right to speak.

/jackass

290 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:17pm

re: #279 galloping granny

If you knew anything about the depth of the abused muslim wife problem in Britain, you would understand that even if a woman find the courage to go into a shelter, she must abandon her entire family permanently and she will live in fear every day of her life of even her own parents. There have been a number of incidents where taxi drivers (mostly muslim in the cities, just like here) have told "dishonored" spouses and fathers where these women are. More than a few have been killed.

You still haven't proposed any solution to the problem. I did - I said impose martial law and take care of it.

291 coquimbojoe  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:33pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

What if I like the way they are adjudicating things, but they won't let me use their courts because I am a pork eating infidel? How fair is that?

And, by the reasoning of your statement, you are willing to let other citizens suffer at the hands of an arbitrary and capricious system designed with all the best ideas the 7th century could muster? That is highly illiberal.

Would you like to fall under the dictates of a sharia court? That is the next step for those who insult Islam.

292 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:33pm

re: #267 EIDE_Interface

Jeez - all you have to do is espouse a contrary opinion and they all gang up on you here. Whatever happened to dissent?

With your head up your ass it's not easy to see who you are.

293 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:24:43pm

two videos that will get mccain into the white house


watch them. pass them around. email them to friends...

both will destroy Obama, and his "republicans have caused the credit crunch" lie...

294 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:25:07pm

re: #284 doriangrey

Did you even read my question? Read what you wrote then ask yourself, how does allowing shari'a courts help this problem?

295 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:25:29pm

re: #288 formercorpsman

He has the same mental illness as Michael Jackson.

Seriously, think about it.

Something pathological about him.

I'm pathologically addicted to logic.

296 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:25:31pm

re: #234 EIDE_Interface

You can't help people that refuse to help themselves. They have to take the initial step, UNLESS you can prove that it's a mass hostage situation.


The abused (this applies to both men and women) have a mental inability to stand up to their abusers. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BEING ABUSED! This state of mind is unfathomable to most every day folks, especially in U.S.A. where we learn from 5-6 yrs old what our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS ARE and that we can stand up to anyone attempting to infringe upon them.
Abused people are not emotionally and sometimes not mentally strong enough to step away from their abusers. They don't have the emotional skills to deal with walking away from all they have ever known that is stable in their lives. It's a difficult concept to wrap one's head around.
Those who can MUST stand up for those who cannot.

297 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:25:40pm

re: #283 gop_patriot

I told my husband that if Tennessee and Arkansas keep banning smoking everywhere, I'm going to start. Just to piss people off.

/of course I won't actually inhale freakin smoke into my lungs, but that's beside the point.

I do. Screw their stupid smoking laws. Screw their seatbelt laws too. I never wear one. Only because its the law, and the law should not be in the business of protecting me from myself.

298 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:25:45pm

re: #277 LoFlyer

Didn't mean anything sir ! Just having fun, I felt like Captain Jack Sparrow waking up from a big rum buzz ! Getting tired now , drowzy *yawns*

299 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:26:12pm

re: #273 maddogg

If there is no justice in the Muslim ghettos, there is no justice anywhere, and the laws are meaningless.

That is mostly true. Now, what do we do to make sure that there is justice there? I want to hear your thoughts on the matter.

300 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:26:18pm

re: #291 coquimbojoe

What if I like the way they are adjudicating things, but they won't let me use their courts because I am a pork eating infidel? How fair is that?

And, by the reasoning of your statement, you are willing to let other citizens suffer at the hands of an arbitrary and capricious system designed with all the best ideas the 7th century could muster? That is highly illiberal.

Would you like to fall under the dictates of a sharia court? That is the next step for those who insult Islam.

Ah no. I said that as long they keep it to themselves. As soon a non-Muslim gets involved with a Muslim it has to go to the civil courts.

301 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:26:31pm

re: #295 EIDE_Interface

I'm pathologically addicted to being an ignorant motherfucker. logic.

302 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:26:45pm

re: #255 EIDE_Interface

Well in that case, it's a mass hostage situation and the UK should declare martial law and free the women ASAP.

Care for a civil war? That's what you would have on your hands. Read some history.

303 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:26:47pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

That is mostly true. Now, what do we do to make sure that there is justice there? I want to hear your thoughts on the matter.

I already gave a solution, but no one else did.

304 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:27:06pm

re: #263 Spiny Norman

I wonder if he's Ranbutan (aka HWSNBN) with another nic. Probably not, but regardless, I've been ignoring him for some time now.

I don't think so. I remember Ranbutan. His writing style was very different.

305 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:27:11pm

re: #285 LoFlyer

Kewl, a lot of interesting things going down, and Noam and I could use the company, mate!

I'm looking forward to it.

306 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:27:16pm

re: #302 Perplexed

Care for a civil war? That's what you would have on your hands. Read some history.

So basically then just whine and complain. Because that's all that's going on here.

307 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:27:20pm

re: #241 galloping granny

Insurrection is a little bit different than mere keeping order and rioting.

I understand. I was just pointing out there is a precedent. Didn't say I agreed with the use of the term in 1967.

308 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:27:23pm

re: #295 EIDE_Interface

I'm pathologically addicted to logic.

What ia logical about a person moving to a new country and expecting the same thing, I think that is called insanity.

309 EIDE_Interface[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:28:05pm
310 godfrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:28:18pm
Please try remembering that fascists are people who force their ideology on people they believe are misguided or to ignorant to govern themselves.

The Emancipation Proclamation forced on the South, for example. That jackbooted thug!

311 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:28:43pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

That is mostly true. Now, what do we do to make sure that there is justice there? I want to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Simple. One law for all, enforced equally regardless of religion. If they don't like it, invite then to GTFO.

312 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:28:43pm

re: #300 EIDE_Interface
If you wish to have a functioning society, you can't have 2 courts. What's next. the Druids? IRA? Church of England? You just made an exception for one bunch of people, WHY?

313 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:29:05pm

re: #309 EIDE_Interface

So why did you start this, are you insane?

314 buzzdroid  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:29:22pm

re: #283 gop_patriot

I told my husband that if Tennessee and Arkansas keep banning smoking everywhere, I'm going to start. Just to piss people off.

/of course I won't actually inhale freakin smoke into my lungs, but that's beside the point.

thanks for the support!

they'll go after the non smokers next... and they've already started to do that in the EU.

315 JHW  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:29:22pm

re: #309 EIDE_Interface

How about martial law in Seattle, where, IIRC, you said you lived.

316 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:29:44pm

There seems to be a misunderstanding. Because I indicated that they should be allowed their own civil courts, that implied approval of their culture. Nothing could be further from the truth. I abhor Muslim culture. I think we all agree on that. What the difference seems to be is that I proposed an actual solution, and the rest of the people whine.

317 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:30:25pm

{Mandy}
I don't think EIDE is worth second of your life..
Thanks for your passion!
/we got your back girl...

EIDE: A dog under muslim law probably has more rights than a woman.
Who are you? what kind of person justifies that in thier mind?
I bid you good day sir...
I said good day...

318 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:30:48pm

re: #315 JHW

How about martial law in Seattle, where, IIRC, you said you lived.

Red herrings....

Honestly, though, I abhor the whole thing that's happening in the UK. Balkanization is not good, but what are we going to do about it? I don't like just wringing my hands about it.

319 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:30:52pm

re: #310 godfrey

The Emancipation Proclamation forced on the South, for example. That jackbooted thug!

Political/propaganda ploy, seriously, and did NOT free the slaves in Northern-controlled territories.

Now Union troops and cavalry and trains and cannons and burnings and pillaging and looting...those activities freed slaves.

320 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:19pm

re: #266 MandyManners

YOU DON'T KNOW A SINGLE FUCKING THING ABOUT DV SO WHY DON'T YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP?

Hmm?
what's dv?
googled and no logical answer showed up.

321 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:21pm

re: #316 EIDE_Interface

There seems to be a misunderstanding. Because I indicated that they should be allowed their own civil courts, that implied approval of their culture. Nothing could be further from the truth. I abhor Muslim culture. I think we all agree on that. What the difference seems to be is that I proposed an actual solution, and the rest of the people whine.

No f'n way, we have to all abide to the same court.

322 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:34pm

re: #319 OldLineTexan

Political/propaganda ploy, seriously, and did NOT free the slaves in Northern-controlled territories.

Now Union troops and cavalry and trains and cannons and burnings and pillaging and looting...those activities freed slaves.

So you are in favor of emancipation of the Muslims. You realize that would be a civil war right?

323 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:36pm

re: #316 EIDE_Interface

No- our solution is to not allow shari'a courts. That's what Pat's petition is about. That's an actual real solution, because if you think martial law is any sort of a solution, you're dumber than I thought.

324 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:52pm

re: #320 jcw46

Domestic violence.

325 jorline  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:54pm

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

Charles, I've never asked for anything from you, but the time has come for this prick to be shown the door. His thought process is deep skewed and doesn't reflect the thoughts and beliefs of 99.999999% of the lizards on LGF. I can handle an arguements and agreeing to disagree, but his bullshit is relentless.

I can only imagine how much KOS and HuffPo love his snips.

326 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:31:55pm

re: #312 pingjockey

If you wish to have a functioning society, you can't have 2 courts. What's next. the Druids? IRA? Church of England? You just made an exception for one bunch of people, WHY?

I insist on the right of single combat.

327 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:32:00pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

Did you even read my question? Read what you wrote then ask yourself, how does allowing shari'a courts help this problem?

I did address that question.

The UK doesn't have the separation of church and state clause America has. It needs one very badly.

It does not help, but you screaming and picking fights with people who are not screaming hysterically isn't helping either. Advocating fascist solutions most of all is not helpful.

328 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:32:06pm

re: #321 BBev

No f'n way, we have to all abide to the same court.

Why did you even waste your time replying. You didn't say anything substantive on my point.

329 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:32:06pm

re: #303 EIDE_Interface

I already gave a solution, but no one else did.

Martial is not a viable solution. Neither the US nor the UK are capable of maintaining it for the time that would be required. Opposing Islamization at home is a civic problem, not a military one.

330 gop_patriot  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:32:16pm

re: #297 maddogg

I do. Screw their stupid smoking laws. Screw their seatbelt laws too. I never wear one. Only because its the law, and the law should not be in the business of protecting me from myself.

LOL

Well I don't smoke, and haven't smoked a cigarette at all since I worked at a restaurant where I worked in the smoking section (remember those?). Kind of weird, it made me sick to work in the smoke unless I smoked a cigarette every few days. I never really cared to start other than that.

But I agree with what you said about the law!

331 Outrider  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:32:20pm

re: #248 kevinmumaw

Napoleon got exiled. Forced exile.

heh. And look what he did when he left. Raised an Army and had another 100 days of fighting before he got nailed for his second exile. lol

332 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:32:57pm

re: #325 jorline

Charles, I've never asked for anything from you, but the time has come for this prick to be shown the door. His thought process is deep skewed and doesn't reflect the thoughts and beliefs of 99.999999% of the lizards on LGF. I can handle an arguements and agreeing to disagree, but his bullshit is relentless.

I can only imagine how much KOS and HuffPo love his snips.

So instead of debating the issue - get me banned. Let freedom ring.

333 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:33:00pm

re: #94 alien_mind

i just posted this on the dead thread, so moved it over here. was curious if others are feeling anything like I am.


where is the accountability? where is the shame? it seems like with the media now having totally gone in the tank for the liberals, people are saying and doing things with total impunity, because the check and balance role that the media used to play is gone. we should be seeing resignations, scandals, criminal investigations, etc. we should not have a man with close ties to radicals and domestic terrorists so close to taking the oath of office. i think we have entered a new era of anything goes, lies can be told and it doesn't matter. people are being bought off or the stories are just not reported on so they end up deep sixed.
where are the watchdogs? nobody is minding the store. regulators let crimes go on right under their noses and when the crimes come to light nothing is done about it. congress can be as corrupt as they want, spend all they want, and put our financial system on the brink of a disaster, and then turn right around and point the finger elsewhere and say we know what to do to fix the problem, TRUST US!
i just feel that things are slipping away from us, and that the country no longer resembles what it used to be.
i haven't given up, but i'm really concerned about the future

Well, I'll probably catch hell for saying this, since a certain generation is nototiously hypersensitive to criticism, but I think you are now seeing the effects of the passing of the Greatest Generation and the Korean War generation, and the takeover by those born after 1945. (I was born during WWII, one of the forgotten generation - not enough of us to have any effect.) The postwar cult of self-indulgence and of moral relativism is now in full sway. There is no sense of duty, of honor, of selflessness left.

Our media seem to see themselves as a combination of kingmakers and entertainment superstars. There is no longer even the pretense of objectively reporting news or acting as independent arbiters. They believe that anything goes in achieving their aims, since their aims are the highest and the noblest.

334 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:33:01pm

re: #326 OldLineTexan
That'd work. I agree with Zell!

335 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:33:02pm

re: #313 BBev
Secondary gains of attention. He thrives on it.

336 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:33:06pm

re: #316 EIDE_Interface

There seems to be a misunderstanding. Because I indicated that they should be allowed their own civil courts, that implied approval of their culture. Nothing could be further from the truth. I abhor Muslim culture. I think we all agree on that. What the difference seems to be is that I proposed an actual solution, and the rest of the people whine.

Let's say a group of cannibals move into your neighborhood and decide to have a cookout. Whats the harm in their culture? Right?

337 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:33:54pm

re: #322 EIDE_Interface

So you are in favor of emancipation of the Muslims. You realize that would be a civil war right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Waiter!

I want some of what he's smoking!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

338 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:34:25pm

re: #328 EIDE_Interface

Why did you even waste your time replying. You didn't say anything substantive on my point.

What, you are saying that there should be 2 courts what did I not read?

339 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:34:32pm

re: #290 EIDE_Interface

You still haven't proposed any solution to the problem. I did - I said impose martial law and take care of it.

You don't need to impose martial law. Just make it abundantly clear that Sharia law is not to be applied, under any circumstances. Furthermore, ban the burqua and the hijab, as these are used as instruments of oppression against women. The notion that they are freely chosen is a base canard.

Execute those convicted of honor killings by burning at the stake*. Go medieval on the bastards. They interpret mercy as weakness on our part. There is no such thing as mercy in Islam.

And if the Islamists don't like living under such laws, let them leave.

*If this really repels you, well, you could shoot them first, then burn the corpse publicly. The real bottom line is to deny the perpetrators of honor killings a proper Islamic burial.

340 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:34:43pm

re: #307 Outrider

I understand. I was just pointing out there is a precedent. Didn't say I agreed with the use of the term in 1967.

I hear you there. Particularly since according to the story you found, the Federal troops were not even carrying loaded guns.

341 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:34:46pm

re: #306 EIDE_Interface

So basically then just whine and complain. Because that's all that's going on here.

No you rotten, walking, chancre, you use the law. Bring RICO charges against those actively undermining our government. Go into mosques. File conspiracy charges. Deport non citizen wahhabis preaching death and destruction. Declare some of the imams persona non grata. Follow the Saudi money.

342 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:34:48pm

re: #313 BBev

So why did you start this, are you insane?

Because he's trolling. And very successfully tonight.

343 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:35:11pm

re: #316 EIDE_Interface

There seems to be a misunderstanding. Because I indicated that they should be allowed their own civil courts, that implied approval of their culture. Nothing could be further from the truth. I abhor Muslim culture. I think we all agree on that. What the difference seems to be is that I proposed an actual solution, and the rest of the people whine.

Nice try...It's takes 2 for a pick and roll..wake your sock puppet up.

344 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:35:47pm

re: #342 Moe Katz

Because he's trolling. And very successfully tonight.

I have to go to bed soon and this trool is way off track.

345 jorline  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:36:21pm

re: #332 EIDE_Interface

So instead of debating the issue - get me banned. Let freedom ring.

You spout dumb-fuck comments every night...I'm sick of your bullshit, EIDE.

The majority of your comments aren't even debate worthy.

346 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:36:26pm

re: #339 Alberta Oil Peon
Executed by firing squad with bullets greased in lard. Wrapped in a pigskin buried with their ass facing macacca.

347 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:36:46pm

Let's set up a duel -- Excalibur vs. EIDE - Broadswords at dawn.

348 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:37:03pm

re: #327 doriangrey

I'm not the one advocating martial law.

349 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:37:31pm

re: #347 FloridaAnole

Let's set up a duel -- Excalibur vs. EIDE - Broadswords at dawn.

Too quick.

Rusty barbecue skewers. Plus, I would like to sleep late.

350 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:37:41pm

re: #336 maddogg

Let's say a group of cannibals move into your neighborhood and decide to have a cookout. Whats the harm in their culture? Right?


Well as long as you don't cook EIDE's wife/mother/GF...it's pretty cool

351 right_in_canada  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:38:06pm

re: #346 pingjockey

Executed by firing squad with bullets greased in lard. Wrapped in a pigskin buried with their ass facing macacca.

I wouldn't even honour them by letting them face my caca.

352 Griffon  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:38:16pm

re: #252 Perplexed

Clue: They aren't keeping to their ghetto. In Minneapolis, Mn they pretty much drive 100% of all cabs. They refused to take guide dogs because the dogs are 'unclean' according to islam. Fly into the country with a couple bottles of booze and they might refuse to carry you because of the ban on the adherents of islam not having anything to do with alcohol.

The Twin Cities went snake sh*t on this one and told the cabbies, you either carry the passengers with the alcohol and guide dogs or we will keep you from picking up passengers at the airport ($$$$ loss). They are here and they don't assimilate. Also, all of the mosques in the Chicago area have been infiltrated by wahabbis from Saudi Arabia and they do recruit for the jihad from those mosques.


re: #260 EIDE_Interface

Yeah I read about that. IT's a reason I won't be traveling to MN any time soon.

Why? Because you hate Muslims, your have a guide dog, you're a drunk, or you're mad at Minneapolis for their treatment of Muslim cab drivers?

353 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:38:27pm

re: #333 FloridaAnole

Well, I'll probably catch hell for saying this, since a certain generation is nototiously hypersensitive to criticism, but I think you are now seeing the effects of the passing of the Greatest Generation and the Korean War generation, and the takeover by those born after 1945. (I was born during WWII, one of the forgotten generation - not enough of us to have any effect.) The postwar cult of self-indulgence and of moral relativism is now in full sway. There is no sense of duty, of honor, of selflessness left.

Our media seem to see themselves as a combination of kingmakers and entertainment superstars. There is no longer even the pretense of objectively reporting news or acting as independent arbiters. They believe that anything goes in achieving their aims, since their aims are the highest and the noblest.

I think you are off by a little bit. The problem seems to arise specifically with those born after 55 - really more 60 or so. Now oddly enough, when I was growing up, the "Baby Boomer" generation consisted specfically of those born between the end of the war in 45 and 55 - peak year 1950. I belong to that specific group. Never until very recently have I heard of "baby boomers" being born well into the 60s. Many of the people that are now counted as "baby boomers" are actually the children of baby boomers.

354 FloridaAnole  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:38:33pm

re: #349 OldLineTexan

Too quick.

Rusty barbecue skewers. Plus, I would like to sleep late.

We can have Mandy & Sharmuta shoot the winner

355 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:38:45pm

re: #260 EIDE_Interface

Yeah I read about that. IT's a reason I won't be traveling to MN any time soon.

Wow, you're such an activist. We'll solve this shiria creep alright, let's boycott our own country. They can do what they want as long as its' not in my backyard. Selfish self-center asshole.

EIDE, you not a troll, or a moby, you're a narcissist, some one who can't stand not being the center of attention, the focus of a debate, the axis that a group of people revolve around. And, typical of a narcissist, you make statements that will either attract sympathy to you, or scorn.

It doesn't matter. You will play a group of people for all they are worth to satisfy you need for attention.

It is evident by what you post here. This is like a drug to you, and we are guilty of being your drug pushers, feeding you just what you dearly crave.

And on that note, this is the last time I respond to you. Your drug supply has been cut off from me, hopefully the other drug dealers on LGF will reconsider their profession and get out of the business.

The one thing that will bring a narcissist down quicker then shit is isolation.

Walter in Golden, Co.

356 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:39:56pm

re: #327 doriangrey

Demanding equality under the law is not fascist either. You make yourself look ignorant when you make comments like that.

357 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:40:06pm

re: #353 galloping granny

I think you are off by a little bit. The problem seems to arise specifically with those born after 55 - really more 60 or so. Now oddly enough, when I was growing up, the "Baby Boomer" generation consisted specfically of those born between the end of the war in 45 and 55 - peak year 1950. I belong to that specific group. Never until very recently have I heard of "baby boomers" being born well into the 60s. Many of the people that are now counted as "baby boomers" are actually the children of baby boomers.

Mother 1939, Father 1935, Me 1962. Technically a Boomer by the standard definition.

358 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:40:08pm

OK Everyone, Especially UK Lizards -

#1. I currently have a contract with a partner with an Arbitration Clause that would be "tried" before a "Bait-Din" a/k/a "Rabbinical court" - I am closer to Paul Newman in both appearance and Observance than my partner. In Effect- I am Ari-Ben Canaan.

#2. We Basically Both Trust the Rabbinical Court as an Arbitration Panel.

#3. IF - Either of Us Choose to Appeal the Decision of the "Bait-Din," - Both I and my Partner understand US Law.

#4. We Both Understand, that if we disagree about the decision of the Bait-Din, the Ultimate decision will be under US Law, whether State or Federal Law.

IS THIS DIFFERENT IN THE UK? Pray Tell.

-s-

359 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:40:11pm

re: #354 FloridaAnole

We can have Mandy & Sharmuta shoot the winner

LOL!

360 Perplexed  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:40:19pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

I'm done. The drive interface won't get anymore from me.

361 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:41:01pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

You've cut off the N supply!

362 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:41:06pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton
Nicely said!

363 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:41:16pm

re: #360 Perplexed

I'm done. The drive interface won't get anymore from me.

Yeah, pull his cable.

364 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:41:28pm

re: #353 galloping granny

I think you are off by a little bit. The problem seems to arise specifically with those born after 55 - really more 60 or so. Now oddly enough, when I was growing up, the "Baby Boomer" generation consisted specfically of those born between the end of the war in 45 and 55 - peak year 1950. I belong to that specific group. Never until very recently have I heard of "baby boomers" being born well into the 60s. Many of the people that are now counted as "baby boomers" are actually the children of baby boomers.

Well I was born in 63 and I am a son of a WW II vet as far as I know 63 was the last year of the baby boomers.

365 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:41:33pm

Good video, Pat! Please keep it up.

Here's to hoping more and more Brits (along with more Europeans and Americans, ect, ect) wake up and not allowing people to fall under these abominable courts.

366 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Walter..tell the truth..You've lived in Hollywood before haven't you?
Your arrow is true and sharp...
/How goes it tonight Walter? doing well?

367 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:42:37pm

re: #295 EIDE_Interface

Actually, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. If logic dictates your proposal to "contain" people, like cattle, or quarantined minus the significant threat to public health, I think you might be throwing bombs.

You have probably contradicted yourself at least 5 times in previous posts, but that is your deal.

If you think for one minute, some woman who is coming from a third world shit-hole, could begin to comprehend any form of advocacy, or that there is any other way of life even out there for her, you need to brush up.

Now one aspect of what you said is true. Some of these women are actually educated, and pro-actively campaign on the side of this disease. As for the majority of them, no. They know not, because they have been insulated as you have suggested.

This is wholly un-American, and in the shadow of Western Civilization's past. There are one billion muslims world-wide. You can't contain them. Some don't want to be contained. Some want what we have here. Some want a better life for there own kids.

It is out there. We are it. The elite of Europe have cashed in their chips, forfeited the roots, and now wait to be devoured in the second act of the dark ages.

You cheer-lead this.

368 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #364 BBev

Well I was born in 63 and I am a son of a WW II vet as far as I know 63 was the last year of the baby boomers.

Yeah, I thought the widespread adoption of birth control pills was the dividing line.

369 jorline  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:43:15pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Well said, Walter. I lost it with him in my #325...lol

370 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:43:28pm

re: #351 right_in_canada
Couldn't think of a word meaning shit that would rhyme with Mecca.

371 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:44:13pm

re: #173 doriangrey

I really hate to agree with EIDE on this one, but the hallmark of a democratic republic is allowing people to make their own choices. What we really need to do is find a way to educate Muslim women so that they reject Islam's treatment of them.

EIDE and you ignore 2 fundamental issues:
1. How do you know whether a Muslim woman has freely consented to submit her rights to Sharia? In a society like Islam where intimidation of women is systemic, it can be presumed that the woman's participation has been coerced; and,
2. Sharia Law in general, and its treatment of women in particular, is repugnant to American law and therefore it should be contrary to public policy to give it the force of law under any circumstances. Would you favour allowing people to settle their disputes by trial by fire or gunfights?

372 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:44:34pm

re: #357 OldLineTexan

Mother 1939, Father 1935, Me 1962. Technically a Boomer by the standard definition.

Except that this is a new "standard definition." Certainly in the 60's the children of your generation were not considered to be part of the Baby Boom generation - specifically because the Baby Boom had long since died down.

The Baby Boom generation originally referred to the huge increase in the number of births directly after WWII. Our parents were mostly born in the 20's - they were those who fought in WWII.

373 WindHorse  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:44:46pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

let's not joke about violence against anyone.....

374 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:45:04pm

re: #366 HoosierHoops

Walter..tell the truth..You've lived in Hollywood before haven't you?
Your arrow is true and sharp...
/How goes it tonight Walter? doing well?

Thank you for the compliment. No, not Hollywood. But I am a writer, actor, entertainer, have done feature work in 8 studio films. but no, never lived in La La land.

I also write editorials off and on for the local papers. I guess when I slow down (not like when I'm trying to keep up with an LGF thread), I can frame my statemments clean and precise.

Thanks again.

375 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:45:36pm

re: #372 galloping granny

Except that this is a new "standard definition." Certainly in the 60's the children of your generation were not considered to be part of the Baby Boom generation - specifically because the Baby Boom had long since died down.

The Baby Boom generation originally referred to the huge increase in the number of births directly after WWII. Our parents were mostly born in the 20's - they were those who fought in WWII.

Great, so now you are trying to demote me to a Gen X'er.

Well screw that, I will see you in shari lewis court or whatever.

376 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:45:36pm

re: #270 Bobibutu

From the way you express yourself you have never lived in a Muslim country. I have.

In my experience, Shar speaks the truth.

You, on the other hand, don't know what you are talking about.

Bobbity -
From what i see - it appears that you are a FEMALE that has Lived in a Muslim Country. Bet you have stories upon stories to tell. For the love of the "West" if not G-d - Pray Tell, Tell Them.

-S-

377 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:45:54pm

re: #370 pingjockey

Couldn't think of a word meaning shit that would rhyme with Mecca.

Shit works fine!

378 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:47:12pm

hi sparrowlake:
Would you favour allowing people to settle their disputes by trial by fire or gunfights?
With Islam or EIDE?

379 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:47:20pm

re: #377 Walter L. Newton
Thanks Walter. How goes it this evening?

380 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:47:37pm

re: #375 OldLineTexan

Great, so now you are trying to demote me to a Gen X'er.

Well screw that, I will see you in shari lewis court or whatever.

Nope - the Gen Xers are even later than you were born. 70's children. I've got a couple of those. You are the flower child generation.

381 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:47:54pm

re: #379 pingjockey

Thanks Walter. How goes it this evening?

Good, glad to see you all tonight.

382 BBev  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:48:40pm

Well it's time for some sleep 3:30 am comes so fast. Good night all.

383 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:48:53pm

re: #380 galloping granny

Nope - the Gen Xers are even later than you were born. 70's children. I've got a couple of those. You are the flower child generation.

Granny, I was freakin' SEVEN during the summer of love...SEVEN.

No flower children in my family.

Drunks, miscreants, and varmints, but no HIPPIES.

384 spirochete  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:49:56pm

Wow *ducks flying debris* lots of stuff flying around tonight. Guess what? Market went up 500 or so points today! Funny, no deal and market kinda corrects some...*ducking flying debris some more* Anyone here thinking about the economy?

385 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:50:18pm

re: #346 pingjockey

Executed by firing squad with bullets greased in lard. Wrapped in a pigskin buried with their ass facing macacca.

Ah lad, it's a man after me own heart ya are!

386 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:50:25pm

re: #378 HoosierHoops

hi sparrowlake:
Would you favour allowing people to settle their disputes by trial by fire or gunfights?
With Islam or EIDE?

LOL. I'll bring the charcoal - you bring the lighter fluid.

387 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:50:49pm

re: #375 OldLineTexan

Great, so now you are trying to demote me to a Gen X'er.

Well screw that, I will see you in shari lewis court or whatever.

Think about this. If your mother had been one of the first of the Baby Boom generation, born in 45, she would have been 17 when you were born. At the time it was not the least unusual for 17 year olds to have already graduated high school and a huge proportion of American women in the early 50s and early 60s married straight out of high school. So, a woman born in 45 could quite easily have birthed a child your age.

388 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:51:46pm

re: #382 BBev

Well it's time for some sleep 3:30 am comes so fast. Good night all.

Holly Cow! If I'm getting up at 3:30am the house better be on fire..
jeez..sleep well.. i guess....3:30am? 3:3.....

389 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:52:26pm

re: #384 spirochete

Wow *ducks flying debris* lots of stuff flying around tonight. Guess what? Market went up 500 or so points today! Funny, no deal and market kinda corrects some...*ducking flying debris some more* Anyone here thinking about the economy?

They're trying to pass it off as anticipation that a deal will get done. I'm looking at it a little differently. Four of the top money guys I know of hate the bailout and think things can be solved without it.

390 formercorpsman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:53:33pm

re: #383 OldLineTexan

Well, if it is any consolation, my mother, a hippie child, (I was born in the summer of 69) has two sons who are very conservative.

My brother, and me.

We have some liberal relatives, and most will not debate either of us, because they know it only ends up making them look stupid when we catch them in a contradiction.

I love it.

391 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:53:35pm

re: #371 sparrowlake

Would you favour allowing people to settle their disputes by trial by fire or gunfights?

YYEEESSSS. Gunfights. Open carry anywhere. People would be a lot politer AND it would be EVOLUTION IN ACTION = Survival of the fastest or politest. THINNING THE TURKEY HERD!

/semi-sarc off

392 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:53:39pm

re: #173 doriangrey

I really hate to agree with EIDE on this one, but the hallmark of a democratic republic is allowing people to make their own choices. What we really need to do is find a way to educate Muslim women so that they reject Islam's treatment of them.

Freedom arises not from democracy, but from individual rights. There is no such thing as the right to be a slave. Nobody has the right to enslave another, if at that person's request. A women is free to subject her self to Sharia law to a point, but nobody has the right to force it on her. I have no doubt that if these people were subjected to better ideas of the West, the vast majority would opt out of they were free to do so, but they require that freedom.

393 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:53:49pm

re: #383 OldLineTexan

Granny, I was freakin' SEVEN during the summer of love...SEVEN.

No flower children in my family.

Drunks, miscreants, and varmints, but no HIPPIES.

I was kidding. I don't recall your generation actually having a name.

394 Caboose  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:54:13pm

re: #83 right_in_canada

Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel might be known for singing about blue collar workers, but don't expect to see too many attend their next concert.


To quote Jim Carrey in Ace Ventura

Lu-hooooooo-zhah-herzzzzzzz!

;-)

When the Chosen One, the Lightworker, Ascends to His Rightful Place of Benign Power and Blessings for All, for All Time, I certainly hope that these filthy rich mega-millionaire rock stars and actors get taxed out of the wazoo since it their obligation for them to pay more since they earn so much more that the little guys that support them. Certainly the Socialist Party, errr, the Democrats will raise the tax rate on actors and rock stars (since they make so much money for so little 'real' work) when they get into power and these loyal Democratic supports BETTER NOT COMPLAIN when they pay a 98% tax rate, right?

(Born In The USA is not a patriotic tune that should never be played anywhere, much less on the 4th of July. The last good Springsteen release was Born To Run, everything else that I have heard from him sucked. I also blame him for his involvement in the anti-nuclear power movement that have us ham-strung. BJ hung in a bit longer, musically; The Nylon Curtain was the last full release that I liked, with a few goodies here and there. I don't mind when a musician or actor wants to say "I support X or Y" and leaves it at that even if I don't like who they support. It is when they use their 'star power' to bash the other side that pisses me off...)

395 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:54:56pm

re: #392 Archimedes

Freedom arises not from democracy, but from individual rights. There is no such thing as the right to be a slave. Nobody has the right to enslave another, if at that person's request. A women is free to subject her self to Sharia law to a point, but nobody has the right to force it on her. I have no doubt that if these people were subjected to better ideas of the West, the vast majority would opt out of they were free to do so, but they require that freedom.

The text in italic should read "even if at that person's request."

396 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:55:57pm

re: #390 formercorpsman

Well, if it is any consolation, my mother, a hippie child, (I was born in the summer of 69) has two sons who are very conservative.

My brother, and me.

We have some liberal relatives, and most will not debate either of us, because they know it only ends up making them look stupid when we catch them in a contradiction.

I love it.

We have no liberals.

It's basically the only blanket positive comment I can make about my family.

397 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:56:02pm

re: #385 M. Bensson-Levi
IIRC urban myth. some Bitish General was having "insurgent" trouble back in the day(Queen Victoria) or just After WWI and that's how he "cured" the problem. IF it isn't true it's still a great myth.

398 galloping granny  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:56:09pm

re: #392 Archimedes

Freedom arises not from democracy, but from individual rights. There is no such thing as the right to be a slave. Nobody has the right to enslave another, if at that person's request. A women is free to subject her self to Sharia law to a point, but nobody has the right to force it on her. I have no doubt that if these people were subjected to better ideas of the West, the vast majority would opt out of they were free to do so, but they require that freedom.

And don't forget that freedom depends on having a single law that applies to everyone without regard to sex, religion, social status or wealth.

399 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:56:25pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Bravo, Walter. I thought he just pulled this crap with politics, but I see now that he'll do it on any thread. I'm not going to feed his need anymore either. Thank you for your wise words.

GAZE- it's the new Cone of Silence.

400 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:57:11pm

re: #393 galloping granny

I was kidding. I don't recall your generation actually having a name.

You know I'm just playin' with you. I don't need a sarc tag for you. ;)

401 Gordan the Fisherman  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:57:21pm

Preach it Uncle Pat!

One of my top three favorite atheists.

402 pingjockey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:58:06pm

BBIAB.

403 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:59:27pm

re: #392 Archimedes

Okay, I'm going to do a complete rewrite of this!

Freedom arises not from democracy, but from individual rights.
There is no such thing as the right to be a slave. Nobody has the right to enslave another, even if at that person's request. A women is free to subject her self to Sharia law to a point, but nobody has the right to force it on her. I have no doubt that if these people were exposed to better ideas from the West, the vast majority would opt out if they were free to do so, but they require that freedom.

404 mitthrawnurdo  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 6:59:58pm

re: #395 Archimedes

Bravo, Bravo, Bravo! Well said! I wish more of the "enlightened" among us understood this.

/One cavot though - you mean that I can't even request to be Mandy's slave or property? So much for wish fulfillment, lol.

405 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:00:09pm

re: #398 galloping granny

And don't forget that freedom depends on having a single law that applies to everyone without regard to sex, religion, social status or wealth.

Right you are! Equality under the law if vital to upholding rights.

406 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:01:21pm

re: #348 Sharmuta

I'm not the one advocating martial law.

No you are no specifically advocating martial law. But you are advocating action.

Evil wins when good men do nothing to stop it. You should be ashamed to say such things.

Exactly what kind of action are you advocating? I insist that what ever we do to correct this situation it must be grounded in our constitution, and the declaration of Martial Law is not found in the constitution.

Women here suffering under Sharia practices must be educated that they live under our constitution, and they must be afforded the fullest protection that our laws can give them. But we cannot strip any Muslim citizen of their civil or constitutional rights while doing this. Nor can we advocate that countries other than our own apply extremist fascists tactics to rescue their Muslim women.

407 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:02:13pm

re: #404 mitthrawnurdo

Bravo, Bravo, Bravo! Well said! I wish more of the "enlightened" among us understood this.

/One cavot though - you mean that I can't even request to be Mandy's slave or property? So much for wish fulfillment, lol.

LOL :)

Hey, thanks. I screwed up a bit, but I'm glad the idea was clear!

408 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:03:44pm

re: #391 jcw46

YYEEESSSS. Gunfights. Open carry anywhere. People would be a lot politer AND it would be EVOLUTION IN ACTION = Survival of the fastest or politest. THINNING THE TURKEY HERD!

/semi-sarc off

Draw, partnuh. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHA!
Imagine if they had M-16's in the wild west.

409 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:03:50pm

re: #407 Archimedes

LOL :)

Hey, thanks. I screwed up a bit, but I'm glad the idea was clear!

great job

410 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:04:38pm

re: #406 doriangrey

The action I'd like to see taken is a reversal of the UK courts sanctioning the use of shari'a arbitration. That's exactly what Pat Condell is advocating with his petition.

411 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:05:52pm

re: #376 Dr. Shalit

Bobbity -
From what i see - it appears that you are a FEMALE that has Lived in a Muslim Country. Bet you have stories upon stories to tell. For the love of the "West" if not G-d - Pray Tell, Tell Them.

-S-

Actually a male. Muslim countries I lived in for any length of time - Indonesia and Malaysia. 70s. I visited/worked short term in others. Iran, Abu Dhabi.

Many stories - summed up here.

While there were women who were and are educated in those countries the greater masses are not.

The threat of ostrization looms heavy for those educated or not, male and female. Especially female. And in a rural setting is a death sentence.

A very handy and effective way to control people.

The educated females that I met all wanted out. Anywhere, anyhow.

The further one got from the population centers the more secular the people and happier lives for women ... I am referring to the islands in Indonesia now - the small ones.

For the rest - calm on the surface for the most part.

412 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #406 doriangrey

You are dense is you think I've ever advocated fascism to defeat the spreading islamization of europe. Perhaps you should re-read this thread because I'm not the one advocating fascist tactics- I've advocated equal treatment under the law for all citizens.

413 CynicalConservative  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:06:59pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

Bravo, Walter. I thought he just pulled this crap with politics, but I see now that he'll do it on any thread. I'm not going to feed his need anymore either. Thank you for your wise words.

GAZE- it's the new Cone of Silence.

Wow, just finished reading the thread, couldn't agree more with a GAZE.

414 unclassifiable  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:07:24pm

It's Pat Condell and the near-monthly Islamofascist b-slap.

Brings a smile to my face.

415 alien_mind  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:10:49pm

re: #384 spirochete

Wow *ducks flying debris* lots of stuff flying around tonight. Guess what? Market went up 500 or so points today! Funny, no deal and market kinda corrects some...*ducking flying debris some more* Anyone here thinking about the economy?

yeah, i think congress should take more holidays. how much more enjoyable today was compared to yesterday.

416 Caboose  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:12:07pm

Good lordy, who still uses EIDE anymore when you have FC, SATA and SAS?!? Even iSCSI (no, that is not a comment about myself!) is so much better. And those two who are often confused for each other, NAS and SAN, rock.

EIDE, [chuckle] how quaint!

417 talon_262  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:12:24pm

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Man, just keep talking like this and you'll soon be visited by Stinky Beaumont and his Broom of Doom.

F**king troll a**hole...

418 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:13:33pm

re: #392 Archimedes

Freedom arises not from democracy, but from individual rights. There is no such thing as the right to be a slave. Nobody has the right to enslave another, if at that person's request. A women is free to subject her self to Sharia law to a point, but nobody has the right to force it on her. I have no doubt that if these people were subjected to better ideas of the West, the vast majority would opt out of they were free to do so, but they require that freedom.

I do not disagree with you at all. However as EIDE pointed out, the majority of Muslim women do choose to subject themselves to Sharia law, both the educated and the less well educated. Our solution has to be multi-pronged.

Better education and strict enforcement of our own laws combined with a complete across the board renunciation of Sharia. And yes, any protest by Muslims should be considered an act of insurrection and a state of emergency declared where ever it occurs.

419 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:13:50pm

OK Everyone -

In a REAL WORLD - John McCain Would NOT have been OUR Candidate. More than likely, ROMNEY or GIULIANI would have been. As a ROMNEY guy, i feel my pain. Point is - REALITY - John McCain - for better or worse - IS OUR CANDIDATE. Is 'the World" unreal? - YUP - deal with it.

-S-

420 CynicalConservative  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:16:24pm

re: #417 talon_262

Man, just keep talking like this and you'll soon be visited by Stinky Beaumont and his Broom of Doom.

F**king troll a**hole...

Been quite for a while... hiding or Stinky bait...

421 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:16:51pm

re: #419 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

In a REAL WORLD - John McCain The Hoopster Would NOT have been OUR Candidate. More than likely, ROMNEY or GIULIANI would have been. As a ROMNEY guy, i feel my pain. Point is - REALITY - John McCain - for better or worse - IS OUR CANDIDATE. Is 'the World" unreal? - YUP - deal with it.

-S-

Hey why are you dragging me into this Doc?
/Happy New Year S

422 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:17:30pm
re: #141 MandyManners

re: #134 EIDE_Interface

Just saying it's their business what they do with each other. As long as they keep in their ghetto.

Why, you snivelling asshole!

IF we were talking about those silly free-born women who stupidly decide sometime later in life to embrace the Religion of PanDæmonium and Evil, I would agree with EIDE. However, the far majority are born into this misanthropic death cult and one dim hope they have in their misogynic religion in the West is access to free courts. By allowing sharia, Britian has slammed the door on that hope.

423 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:19:45pm

It's becoming fast apparent to me, that with a few exceptions, if you espouse any contrary viewpoint to the prevailing one you will be denounced as a troll/moby/asshole/etc...

424 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:20:53pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

You are dense is you think I've ever advocated fascism to defeat the spreading islamization of europe. Perhaps you should re-read this thread because I'm not the one advocating fascist tactics- I've advocated equal treatment under the law for all citizens.

I am not dense and you well know that. I am urging extreme caution in how we deal with this issue. Fascism never starts out as full blown fascism, it always starts out as people trying to help the misguided, ignorant, self-destructive and poorly educated citizens of their own or someone else's country.

Oh... and slightly O/t.... Martial Law Declared in the United States?

425 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:21:35pm

re: #397 pingjockey

IIRC urban myth. some Bitish General was having "insurgent" trouble back in the day(Queen Victoria) or just After WWI and that's how he "cured" the problem. IF it isn't true it's still a great myth.

The same story (unfortunately an urban legend) was circulated about the actions of the American General who put down the Moros in the Philippines.

The story went that 5 Moro rebels were captured, four graves were dug, a pig was fresh slaughtered, hacked into quarters, and a piece thrown in each grave. The General then had 4 of the 5 captives shot and buried with the fresh pig parts, and let one go free to tell the tale. End of rebellion. Too bad that it never happened.

426 talon_262  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:24:19pm

re: #423 EIDE_Interface

It's becoming fast apparent to me, that with a few exceptions, if you espouse any contrary viewpoint to the prevailing one you will be denounced as a troll/moby/asshole/etc...

Me thinks thou doth protest too much...

427 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:27:00pm

re: #423 EIDE_Interface

It's becoming fast apparent to me, that with a few exceptions, if you espouse any contrary viewpoint to the prevailing one you will be denounced as a troll/moby/asshole/etc...

Yeah, that's right! So?

428 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:27:10pm

Sometimes I ask myself, why do I stick around for this abuse....

429 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:27:35pm

re: #423 EIDE_Interface

It's becoming fast apparent to me, that with a few exceptions, if you espouse any contrary viewpoint to the prevailing one you will be denounced as a troll/moby/asshole/etc...

I call bullshit

430 jaunte  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:27:50pm

Mental illness is the reason.

431 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:28:04pm

re: #418 doriangrey

When dealing with citizens' rights to agree to opt out of the civil matrimonial laws, keep in mind that there are usually child support, custody and access issues to be dealt with.
So what about the best interests of the child and the right of the child to enjoy the benefits of American law - would you allow the parents the freedom to effectively deny the child his/her civil rights?

432 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:28:53pm

re: #423 EIDE_Interface

It's becoming fast apparent to me, that with a few exceptions, if you espouse any contrary viewpoint to the prevailing one you will be denounced as a troll/moby/asshole/etc...


Well, if I were to get on these threads and start advocating letting my neighbor beat his wife and kids to death because it's his culture I would fully expect to be called worse than troll/moby. Wouldn't you?

433 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:29:12pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

In fact Walter- I've stuck this post in my favorites and I'll be pulling it out in the future for others to read so that they might join the Legion of non-pushers.

434 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:29:50pm

re: #432 maddogg

Well, if I were to get on these threads and start advocating letting my neighbor beat his wife and kids to death because it's his culture I would fully expect to be called worse than troll/moby. Wouldn't you?

Hater. I never said I advocated for it. I just said that either we put up or shut up. Online petitions are bullshit.

435 Archimedes  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:31:38pm

re: #418 doriangrey

I do not disagree with you at all. However as EIDE pointed out, the majority of Muslim women do choose to subject themselves to Sharia law,

Maybe, who knows, but I'd bet only a small fraction would remain if they were exposed to better ideas and were free to opt out, as they should be at all times.

436 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:32:18pm

re: #434 EIDE_Interface

Hater. I never said I advocated for it. I just said that either we put up or shut up. Online petitions are bullshit.

Oh, yes, I am a hater. But I don't hate you. I just think your logic if full of holes. And you let your arrogance force you to defend an indefensible stance.

437 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:33:34pm
438 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:34:00pm

re: #426 talon_262

Me thinks thou doth protest too much...

I dont. EIDE goes get kicked around quite a bit, and rather unfairly I think. Granted he doesn't always say the smartest things, or say them in very tactful ways. But simply having dissenting views on subjects is no justification for attacking someone. I have read a lot of his comments and do not believe him to be a troll or moby. Others opinions differ.

Those who know me know I am about as conservative as you can get without being a rabid extremist right wing nut job. I have a genuine love affair going with the US constitution. And I honestly believe that EIDE is one of the good guys. I could be mistaken, but I do not think that I am.

439 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:34:09pm

re: #436 maddogg

Oh, yes, I am a hater. But I don't hate you. I just think your logic if full of holes. And you let your arrogance force you to defend an indefensible stance.

I said either you do what it takes to stop the Muslim advance, or shut up. Because frankly, I'm sick of the whining and the online petitions. That's just pure unadulterated bullcrap.

440 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:34:37pm

re: #424 doriangrey

I am not dense and you well know that. I am urging extreme caution in how we deal with this issue. Fascism never starts out as full blown fascism, it always starts out as people trying to help the misguided, ignorant, self-destructive and poorly educated citizens of their own or someone else's country.

Oh... and slightly O/t.... Martial Law Declared in the United States?

Then by your own misunderstanding of fascism, you are saying that the US is fascist for going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

And I think you own me an apology for saying that I somehow picked a fight because I disagreed with eide and stated my reasons for disagreeing, and then you said I was hysterical. That's a sexist argument, frankly. I've done nothing different here than I've done in any other argument with a troll on any other thread- threads where you've cheered me on for the exact same thing I've done here tonight. The only thing that's changed is you agree with the troll.

441 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:34:50pm

re: #438 doriangrey

You will now be attacked as a troll/moby enabler. 3-2-1..

442 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:35:37pm

re: #432 maddogg

Well, if I were to get on these threads and start advocating letting my neighbor beat his wife and kids to death because it's his culture I would fully expect to be called worse than troll/moby. Wouldn't you?

Maddogg - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options.

443 imtoast  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:35:52pm

re: #119 EIDE_Interface

It's only has to do with Muslim civil cases between Muslims. I don't see what the problem is. Now if a Muslim brings a suit against a non-Muslim, he have to do it in the British legal system.

Didn't you use to be a smart person. What happened to you or do I have you confused with someone else?

444 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:36:11pm

re: #429 Shug

I call bullshit

Shug - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options.

445 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:36:44pm

re: #435 Archimedes

Maybe, who knows, but I'd bet only a small fraction would remain if they were exposed to better ideas and were free to opt out, as they should be at all times.

Agreed, it is something we absolutely must do.

446 poison ivy  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:37:06pm

Looks like Mark Steyn was right.

447 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:37:45pm

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

gotcha.

I'm on board

448 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:37:48pm

re: #443 imtoast

Didn't you use to be a smart person. What happened to you or do I have you confused with someone else?

My intelligence hasn't gone down. The hate quotient has gone up on this site. A hatred of any opinion that is contrary to a certain clique in here.

449 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:38:41pm

re: #438 doriangrey

... And I honestly believe that EIDE is one of the good guys. I could be mistaken, but I do not think that I am.

doriangrey - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options. The way I see it, this is not a matter of saying things in the smartest way. It is a matter of a mental illness and we shouldn't be enabling it.

450 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:39:18pm

re: #438 doriangrey

Why you troll/moby enabler!

451 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:39:32pm

re: #443 imtoast

Didn't you use to be a smart person. What happened to you or do I have you confused with someone else?

imtoast - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options.

452 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:40:04pm

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

doriangrey - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options. The way I see it, this is not a matter of saying things in the smartest way. It is a matter of a mental illness and we shouldn't be enabling it.

That's exactly what the Soviet Union used to do. Accuse anyone who didn't toe the line of mental illness and other dehumanizations.

453 WF Bach  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:45:44pm

re: #428 EIDE_Interface

Sometimes I ask myself, why do I stick around for this abuse....

Yes, why do you?

454 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:46:10pm

re: #453 WF Bach

Yes, why do you?

Just to spite you, asshole.

455 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #428 EIDE_Interface

Sometimes I ask myself, why do I stick around for this abuse....

I ask myself that too; "Why do you stick around for this abuse"?

456 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:46:41pm

re: #448 EIDE_Interface

My intelligence hasn't gone down. The hate quotient has gone up on this site. A hatred of any opinion that is contrary to a certain clique in here.

And what clique would that be?

457 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:46:59pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Wow, you're such an activist. We'll solve this shiria creep alright, let's boycott our own country. They can do what they want as long as its' not in my backyard. Selfish self-center asshole.

EIDE, you not a troll, or a moby, you're a narcissist, some one who can't stand not being the center of attention, the focus of a debate, the axis that a group of people revolve around. And, typical of a narcissist, you make statements that will either attract sympathy to you, or scorn.

It doesn't matter. You will play a group of people for all they are worth to satisfy you need for attention.

It is evident by what you post here. This is like a drug to you, and we are guilty of being your drug pushers, feeding you just what you dearly crave.

And on that note, this is the last time I respond to you. Your drug supply has been cut off from me, hopefully the other drug dealers on LGF will reconsider their profession and get out of the business.

The one thing that will bring a narcissist down quicker then shit is isolation.

Walter in Golden, Co.

Just food for thought.

458 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:47:14pm

re: #456 maddogg

And what clique would that be?

Ask Sharmuta.

459 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:48:02pm

re: #458 EIDE_Interface

Ask Sharmuta.

You brought it up. I'm asking you.

460 imtoast  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:48:53pm

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

imtoast - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options.

Oops! Thanks Walter.

461 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:50:34pm

re: #440 Sharmuta

Then by your own misunderstanding of fascism, you are saying that the US is fascist for going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

And I think you own me an apology for saying that I somehow picked a fight because I disagreed with eide and stated my reasons for disagreeing, and then you said I was hysterical. That's a sexist argument, frankly. I've done nothing different here than I've done in any other argument with a troll on any other thread- threads where you've cheered me on for the exact same thing I've done here tonight. The only thing that's changed is you agree with the troll.

He's not a troll or a moby. And your rhetoric is bordering on hysterical when you go around accusing anyone who offers a dissenting opinion of being a troll or moby. What we have come to know about EIDE is that he is very emotional and as Walter pointed out, a bit narcissistic. That does not make him a troll or moby. LGF does not need "Truth Squads" suppressing any opinion that does not fit the official narrative.

Sometimes we do have genuine trolls and mobys poke their ugly heads up. And when they do, yes I cheer on those who ridicule them. I have a great deal of respect for you, respect that you may want to remember was won by you the old fashioned way, with honesty and reason. Personally I place EIDE in the same category as you place cognito. You convinced me that cognito is not a troll or a moby, just another Lizard with often hard to deal with opinions.

462 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:52:29pm

re: #459 maddogg

maddogg- don't you know?! You and all the other Lizards don't know what to think unless I tell you.

Of course- this is the same argument that LGF haters use against Charles- that we are mindless followers who don't know what to think unless he tells us.

I, of course, think the Lizards are independent thinkers and quite capable of figuring out who trolls and mobys are without any help from me or anyone else.

But I guess that doesn't stop some people from wanting to insult your intelligence.

463 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:52:50pm

re: #461 doriangrey

He's not a troll or a moby. And your rhetoric is bordering on hysterical when you go around accusing anyone who offers a dissenting opinion of being a troll or moby. What we have come to know about EIDE is that he is very emotional and as Walter pointed out, a bit narcissistic. That does not make him a troll or moby. LGF does not need "Truth Squads" suppressing any opinion that does not fit the official narrative.

Sometimes we do have genuine trolls and mobys poke their ugly heads up. And when they do, yes I cheer on those who ridicule them. I have a great deal of respect for you, respect that you may want to remember was won by you the old fashioned way, with honesty and reason. Personally I place EIDE in the same category as you place cognito. You convinced me that cognito is not a troll or a moby, just another Lizard with often hard to deal with opinions.

Anyways, you've just seen firsthand the LGF "truth squads" at work. Pretty frightening isn't it?

464 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:55:00pm

re: #440 Sharmuta

re: #461 doriangrey

Who's sorry now?
LOL

465 jorline  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:55:12pm

re: #438 doriangrey

I dont. EIDE goes get kicked around quite a bit, and rather unfairly I think. Granted he doesn't always say the smartest things, or say them in very tactful ways. But simply having dissenting views on subjects is no justification for attacking someone. I have read a lot of his comments and do not believe him to be a troll or moby. Others opinions differ.

Those who know me know I am about as conservative as you can get without being a rabid extremist right wing nut job. I have a genuine love affair going with the US constitution. And I honestly believe that EIDE is one of the good guys. I could be mistaken, but I do not think that I am.

Dorin, I respect you and will have coffee with you in the morning as usual, but I couldn't disagree with you more my friend.

#318 EIDE_Interface 9/24/2008 8:44:56 pm PDT

re: #312 Tigger2005

EVERYONE will be punished, EIDE_Interface. Maybe you should talk to someone who lived through the Great Depression and WW2, which was largely brought on by the Great Depression. 50 million dead.

Global economic collapses do not distinguish between the responsible and the irresponsible.

Part of me almost wants to bring on the apocalypse, humanity tends to be evil and is undeserving of good things.

#131 EIDE_Interface 9/30/08 8:02:44 pm reply quote -6

re: #125 Sharmuta

No- it includes domestic violence cases, which are criminal cases.

Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess.

These are two shining examples of why I'm fed up with EIDE's comments. My response to his #318 was this.

You're a 32 year old immature prick. I'm a small business owner and feel the responsibility of protecting the 38 people who work for me and their families...and you think an apocalypse would be cool?

Enough said about EIDE...see you in the morning, dorin.

466 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:55:16pm

re: #435 Archimedes

Maybe, who knows, but I'd bet only a small fraction would remain if they were exposed to better ideas and were free to opt out, as they should be at all times.

In my experience you would win. Altho even with higher education they can't opt out.

467 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:57:02pm

re: #461 doriangrey

Do you know what the root word of "hysterical" is? You want to toss that out while in the course of a discussion or argument with a female, it can be considered sexist, so I'd find another adjective if I were you.

Also- I would suggest you go back and read a couple threads from last night where decent, tolerant Lizards finally conceded the point that eide was a moby. You don't have to take my word for it, but when people who were giving him the benefit of the doubt change their minds there might just be something to it.

This is a guy who called McCain scum last night, BTW. Did you know that?

468 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 7:59:42pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton
I can see your point but these types of "dialogues" are useful in that they allow those who cannot comment see what the trend of opinion is, by some here at LGF, on the topic and how much "heat" they will have to sustain thus counter-balancing and discouraging other mobys.
So far it seems most of the "crap-throwers" have a short attention span (similar to the primates they resemble) and give up and move on. (only after whining how they have "other, more important things to do" and other such drivel).

469 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:00:48pm

re: #463 EIDE_Interface

Anyways, you've just seen firsthand the LGF "truth squads" at work. Pretty frightening isn't it?

You call that frightening? I've been close to death several times. I would not call being jumped on by Sharmuta and Mandy frightening.

470 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:02:02pm
471 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:02:56pm

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

doriangrey - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options. The way I see it, this is not a matter of saying things in the smartest way. It is a matter of a mental illness and we shouldn't be enabling it.

Oh I read it walter, and am somewhat inclined to agree, except that I think it is far less degree than you. I have perhaps as a nearly fatal personal character flaw a profound desire/insistence on looking for the good in people rather than expecting the worst of them.

472 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:03:14pm

re: #469 maddogg

You call that frightening? I've been close to death several times. I would not call being jumped on by Sharmuta and Mandy frightening.

At least 20 different LGF users ganged up on me at once in this thread within a few minute window. I'd call that a hi-tech lynching.

473 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:05:15pm

re: #472 EIDE_Interface

At least 20 different LGF users ganged up on me at once in this thread within a few minute window. I'd call that a hi-tech lynching.


Are all 20 in Commander Sharmuta's clique?

474 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:06:50pm
Female hysteria is today no longer recognized by modern medical authorities as a de facto medical disorder.

Wow! What the F*ck's up with that!

475 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:07:41pm

re: #463 EIDE_Interface

Anyways, you've just seen firsthand the LGF "truth squads" at work. Pretty frightening isn't it?

Don't be so damn Cocky..Dorian has vouched for you..
There is no effen truth squad..You want to come into the lane swinging and say outlandish things..fine..but you seem to love to slash and sit back and claim a difference of opinion...
You could have decided to calm down things hours ago..But you choose not to and now i feel sorry for you...
We all have differences pal...Are you here to contribute to the discussion or bomb it..you make the call...
Truth squad..you know what? (Deleted)
Now I'm just alittle pissed

476 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:08:22pm

#238 EIDE_Interface 9/30/2008 12:42:39 am PDT

Maybe there is a nihilistic streak in me that causes me to go on these pessimistic rampages all over the blogosphere, not just here. I know it's evil, but I did it anyways.

This is the definition of trolling.

477 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:10:12pm

Some people have a very narrow conecpt of freedom. I noticed this a lot on the left. If I don't want to hear your opinion, then I am stepping on your freedom of speech.

No, I am exersizing my freedom not to listen to you, my freedom to try to exclude you from my group, my freedom to try to convince the other group members not to listen to someones opinion, my freedom to ignore your opinion and my freedom to question your character and your motives.

But when this happen, those how don't understand freedom will claim that you are denying them thier freedoms. They think that their freedoms allow them to intrude on you freedoms.

Thanks goodness those of us who know better do not have to sucumb to that kinfd of logic. We have have who we want in our "club" and no one elses freedoms can trample that fact.

478 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:10:18pm

re: #476 Sharmuta

#238 EIDE_Interface 9/30/2008 12:42:39 am PDT

This is the definition of trolling.

I bare my soul to LGFers and all I get is flamed in response. Ghoul.

479 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:10:46pm

re: #472 EIDE_Interface

NOW you're sounding like a troll. Sharmuta makes a point about hysteria and you think it's "cute" to post a link to the definition?
Whining about how you're being ganged up on. Did it ever occur to you that since 20 relatively anonymous people from, I'm sure, widely varying walks of life agree on one thing --- YOU'RE AN A$$HAT ---- that maybe you ARE AN A$$HAT?

I'm as stubborn as the next person but when something I say is pounced upon by more than 2-3 people, I will at least explore the topic more thoroughly and revise my opinion as necessary. If I come to the conclusion that I am right and they are wrong, I'm not gonna keep trying to persuade them of that. I just walk away and let them stew in ignorance.
You on the other hand keep tossing crap. Keep this up and enough folks will request a visit by Stinky. I'm almost there.

480 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:12:25pm

re: #479 jcw46

Oh, they've already reported me. It's only a matter of hours before my perm IP ban.

481 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:12:51pm

re: #476 Sharmuta

Say Hey,

Can I join your clique? Is there a fee? Am I a member already? I get so confused by all this stuff. Who's HARCOURT?

482 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:13:04pm

re: #478 EIDE_Interface

I bare my soul to LGFers and all I get is flamed in response. Ghoul.


You must be joking. Bare your soul on an online forum? Preposterous.

483 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:15:48pm

As this continues, I would hope that most of you at some point are going to agree with my post #355. My point is being made in almost every reply.

484 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:16:35pm

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

As this continues, I would hope that most of you at some point are going to agree with my post #355. My point is being made in almost every reply.

You are a typical Soviet apparatchik. Always trying to convince everyone about the "enemy" who must have "mental illness".

485 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:17:02pm

re: #226 buzzdroid

But her soon-to-be successor is a dhimmi, socialist, Global-warming panic cretin with delusions of significance. Sorry, the monarchy has to go.

486 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:17:05pm

re: #478 EIDE_Interface

I bare my soul to LGFers and all I get is flamed in response. Ghoul.


you haven't bared your soul..you have it hidden..
drop the whole pretense and come clean...
I've raised 5 kids..don't bullshit me...you like stirring the pot..
You are better than that..
/times up 300 dollars please...

487 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:17:38pm

re: #472 EIDE_Interface

At least 20 different LGF users ganged up on me at once in this thread within a few minute window. I'd call that a hi-tech lynching.

I was raised by my paternal grandmother. A Victorian born in the 1880s.

Rule #1. NEVER strike a woman no matter what. Restrain her, (hug and hold her close) if necessary, to prevent your self being harmed. And never strike her or cause her physical harm. Period.

I believe, and in my experience, most women hold this concept close to heart. Especially those who have experienced violence upon themselves by males.

You chose to "tickle the dragons tail" by insuinating that violence on women by males was OK in some contexts.

And you got jumped on big time.

Violence on women is not OK in any context.

OK - I'm done Walter.

488 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:19:21pm

0bama whines when his own words and deeds are used against him.

So Truth Squad this:

#568 EIDE_Interface 9/29/2008 10:42:33 pm PDT

re: #559 NY Nana

Playing the POW card now? I should vote for McCain because he was tortured? I'm only voting for him because he's the lesser of 2 evils, but not by much. He's scum, Obama is scum.

489 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:19:28pm

re: #487 Bobibutu

I was raised by my paternal grandmother. A Victorian born in the 1880s.

Rule #1. NEVER strike a woman no matter what. Restrain her, (hug and hold her close) if necessary, to prevent your self being harmed. And never strike her or cause her physical harm. Period.

I believe, and in my experience, most women hold this concept close to heart. Especially those who have experienced violence upon themselves by males.

You chose to "tickle the dragons tail" by insuinating that violence on women by males was OK in some contexts.

And you got jumped on big time.

Violence on women is not OK in any context.

OK - I'm done Walter.

It's just more evidence about why I can't argue with women. They get hysteria at the slightest provocation. They can't debate men with logic. Witness this "Mandy Manners" and constant stream of profanity. Ugly stuff.

490 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:19:37pm

re: #478 EIDE_Interface

I bare my soul to LGFers and all I get is flamed in response. Ghoul.

Enough already with that crap. You set out to provoke people, and when they react you play the victim.

491 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:19:43pm

re: #479 jcw46

I'm as stubborn as the next person but when something I say is pounced upon by more than 2-3 people, I will at least explore the topic more thoroughly and revise my opinion as necessary.

That is the sign of a critical thinker, some one who understands logic and can debate in a manner that goes from point A to point B in a positive way.

Whhen someone gets multiple opinions that not not agree with their opinion, and doesn't even take a second to discuss the opposite opinions, that is a, well the best way to put it, that person is a fool.

492 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:20:22pm

re: #481 M. Bensson-Levi

You're totally in, Dude! ;)

493 Josephine  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:20:22pm

I've dinged without commenting as I've read my way partway down the thread. I don't want to be one of those pesky anonymous dingers but now it's bedtime and I haven't finished reading the thread so I can't say anything except thank you, Charles, for posting this and darn but my arm is killing me and making it very hard to type. Night, folks. Ouch.

494 maddogg  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:21:14pm

re: #442 Walter L. Newton

Maddogg - please read my post 355 so you can understand that is going on here. My opinion, but you may want to consider your options.

Done and gone Walt.

495 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #480 EIDE_Interface
Why do you bother? If you're genuine; why be an a$$? If you're not; what will you accomplish by getting banned?
Bragging rights on lgfII?

496 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:21:41pm

Bobibutu:
Rule #1. NEVER strike a woman no matter what. Restrain her, (hug and hold her close) if necessary, to prevent your self being harmed. And never strike her or cause her physical harm. Period.
I generally feel running is your best opinion...:)

497 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:21:53pm

re: #463 EIDE_Interface

I understand you to have implicitly expressed the view that citizens of the United States are not entitled to equal protection if they happen to be Muslim women. You also implicitly sought to justify that position by arguing that American Muslims should either abandon their religious beliefs or leave, and in the meantime let's just let them do whatever they want to eachother.
Those views are beyond the pale, and are right in line with the views of the Eurofascists.
And if you then proceed to bitch, whine and characterize those who call you out as fascists (i.e."truth squads") then you should not be surprised if you called a troll or a moby.

498 cliffster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:24:03pm

Just hopped over to this thread to say.. Another day goes by, and this EIDE person still is a complete loser who has nothing better to do with his time that spend hours trying to evoke reactions from people on a blog. Dying people would love to have the time you waste.

499 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:24:05pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

You're totally in, Dude! ;)

Yeah, good. But, who's Harcourt? I bet the moby knows! Nah, the moby don't know nuthin'.

500 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:25:29pm

re: #498 cliffster

Just hopped over to this thread to say.. Another day goes by, and this EIDE person still is a complete loser who has nothing better to do with his time that spend hours trying to evoke reactions from people on a blog. Dying people would love to have the time you waste.

Please see my #355 if you haven't. It is only my opinion but it may explain things.

501 cliffster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:25:48pm

re: #498 cliffster

Just hopped over to this thread to say.. Another day goes by, and this EIDE person still is a complete loser who has nothing better to do with his time that spend hours trying to evoke reactions from people on a blog. Dying people would love to have the time you waste.

Back to Sarah Palin thread I go!

502 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:25:50pm

re: #478 EIDE_Interface

I bare my soul to LGFers and all I get is flamed in response. Ghoul.

OH. MY. G-D.

He's a freakin' DRAMA QUEEN!

aw, did da widdle edie say something stupid speak and someone huwt it's liddle feewings?

BAN STICK. BAN STICK. BAN STICK.
there I said it three times, is that how it works? or is stinky secretly amused by this?

503 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:26:58pm

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

Walter, now I'm just messin' with 'em for snickers. :>

504 markie  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:27:35pm

I've got several of Pat's rants saved...always a good boost when I'm feeling repressed.

505 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:27:45pm

re: #495 jcw46

Why do you bother? If you're genuine; why be an a$$? If you're not; what will you accomplish by getting banned?
Bragging rights on lgfII?

No, just stating the facts. I will be banned by the end of this night. 100% guaranteed. Sharmuta's clique have made sure of it. Whoever they want banned is banned.

506 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:28:32pm

re: #467 Sharmuta

Do you know what the root word of "hysterical" is? You want to toss that out while in the course of a discussion or argument with a female, it can be considered sexist, so I'd find another adjective if I were you.

Also- I would suggest you go back and read a couple threads from last night where decent, tolerant Lizards finally conceded the point that eide was a moby. You don't have to take my word for it, but when people who were giving him the benefit of the doubt change their minds there might just be something to it.

This is a guy who called McCain scum last night, BTW. Did you know that?

I've called McCain a scum bag quite a few times myself, are you becoming a Obamaisk truth squader? You want to start banning words like hysterical? A lot of men, especially the younger ones get very amped up when they feel they are being attacked. And you have done nothing but attack EIDE for days now. Instead of calmly reasoning with him and showing him a better logic and helping him find his way, you have engaged in, well kossling attack patterns.

I know you well enough to know that you are a very intelligent and persuasive person when you choose to be. I also know that you have a fuse like a light switch and all the reverse gears of an angry Pit bull.

Sharmuta, he is not a troll or a moby, he IS feeling persecuted by you and a small hand full of others. And sadly it is affecting his logic and the level of his dialog. The accusations of troll and moby are causing a great deal of irrational behavior by a lot of people here.

EIDE can be reasoned with, he can be educated, he can even be convinced that he has no reason to despair. But attacking him is not the way to do it. Please roll back your anger, and try that wonderful ability to reason calmly with him that you do have. Believe it or not, if you stop attacking him and quit assuming that he is a horrible person or a troll and reason with him logically his mind will open up and he will stop reacting so defensively.

507 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:28:42pm

re: #489 EIDE_Interface

It's just more evidence about why I can't argue with women. They get hysteria at the slightest provocation. They can't debate men with logic. Witness this "Mandy Manners" and constant stream of profanity. Ugly stuff.

Ya know- doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is called insanity.

STOP IT!

Some counseling might be beneficial for you - this is not an appropriate place for it.

Sorry Walter ;-)

508 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:28:50pm

re: #503 jcw46

Walter, now I'm just messin' with 'em for snickers. :>

Fine, it's you nickle, but each reply to him continues his infactuation with himself. Even when I answer you, I am adding to the positive or negative strokes that supports his emotional state.

509 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:31:55pm

re: #508 Walter L. Newton
Isn't it worth our while to make it obvious he's got to go?

And after reading some of his other comments, I'm outa this thread.

510 cliffster  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:32:14pm

re: #500 Walter L. Newton

Please see my #355 if you haven't. It is only my opinion but it may explain things.

You're probably right. But, I don't particularly care one way or the other about him getting his fix or not. Let him do it. This is not the only venue in which it life spends its time trying to piss people off, you can count on that. It's a shame. One day, he/she/it will look back on their life and wish they hadn't spent it as so worthless a way.

511 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:32:27pm

re: #506 doriangrey

You are enabling his disorder.

512 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:32:52pm

re: #506 doriangrey

That's true. One can only be called:

sock-puppet
moby
troll
asshole

for so many times before one isn't interested in rational discourse anymore. Sharmuta and her clique have acted like the KosKidz they so despise. They swarm at the slightest perceived slight.

513 Russkilitlover  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:32:54pm

re: #6 zombie

Ouch. Pat is ripping the British liberals a new Yorkshire-pudding-hole.

Hey! I LOVE Yorkshire Pudding and I make it a treat! Combined with my recipe for the BEST Prime Rib you will ever find, it's a fantastic feast!

514 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:33:33pm

re: #511 Sharmuta

You are enabling his disorder.

Another hysterical response.

515 jcw46  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:33:58pm

re: #511 Sharmuta
I'm hoping it'll O.D.

516 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:34:54pm

re: #515 jcw46

I'm hoping it'll O.D.

This is the kind of ghoul I have to deal with in here.

517 SummerSong  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:35:03pm

re: #505 EIDE_Interface


The people on LGF are not the source of your problems and they will not be the cure.

518 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:35:45pm

re: #506 doriangrey

And he's made this bed for himself. If you were a conservative like you claim you are then you'd allow for the consequences of one's actions to apply.

And I'm not going to sit here and get into a discussion on sexism with you. I don't think you're a sexist, but after seeing what I have of this election cycle, yeah- I felt compelled to mention that using "hysterical" is a loaded word in a discussion like this. Because if it doesn't get mentioned and thought about, nothing's going to change.

519 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:36:28pm

re: #518 Sharmuta

And he's made this bed for himself. If you were a conservative like you claim you are then you'd allow for the consequences of one's actions to apply.

And I'm not going to sit here and get into a discussion on sexism with you. I don't think you're a sexist, but after seeing what I have of this election cycle, yeah- I felt compelled to mention that using "hysterical" is a loaded word in a discussion like this. Because if it doesn't get mentioned and thought about, nothing's going to change.

If the word fits. You and Mandy Manners both.

520 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:36:58pm

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

Fine, it's you nickle, but each reply to him continues his infactuation with himself. Even when I answer you, I am adding to the positive or negative strokes that supports his emotional state.

re: #496 HoosierHoops

Bobibutu:
Rule #1. NEVER strike a woman no matter what. Restrain her, (hug and hold her close) if necessary, to prevent your self being harmed. And never strike her or cause her physical harm. Period.

I generally feel running is your best opinion...:)

That was rule #2 ... just kidding.

521 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:37:56pm

Looks like savage nation will soon have a new blog buddy

522 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:40:06pm

re: #515 jcw46

I'm hoping it'll O.D.

It can't OD. If you know anything about narcissism, EVERYTHING feeds it, it is one of the most incidious mental conditions in the DSM. Counseling doesn't help, because the attention feeds it. Complaining doesn't help, becuase that negative attention feeds it. Arguing or yelling actually make them feel good. All attention makes them feel good. They feel like they are in total control. They play the victim or the victor, it's all part of the fun.

It's the only mental illness where the therapy actually fuels the condition, and entrenches it even more. Isolation is the only cure.

523 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:40:22pm

re: #489 EIDE_Interface

It's just more evidence about why I can't argue with women. They get hysteria at the slightest provocation. They can't debate men with logic. Witness this "Mandy Manners" and constant stream of profanity. Ugly stuff.

Dude - in case you were never taught this ....

Women are primarily emotional.

Men are primarily logical.

It's the way our brains are wired.

How old are you anyway?

I am really curious.

I am 66.

524 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:41:39pm

re: #512 EIDE_Interface

That's true. One can only be called:

sock-puppet
moby
troll
asshole

for so many times before one isn't interested in rational discourse anymore. Sharmuta and her clique have acted like the KosKidz they so despise. They swarm at the slightest perceived slight.


I have never called you any name..not one..
My complaint..again..Is that you could calm this down..easily...
but you for hours now keep pushing back in a very defensive posture..
Dorian has spoken highly of you..So I trust him..Humble yourself alittle bit and reengage the lizards and smoothe some feathers..It's on you my friend..you started this shit..fair or not..Play nice..disagree or agree
but share....It's on you..

525 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:42:23pm

re: #523 Bobibutu

Dude - in case you were never taught this ....

Women are primarily emotional.

Men are primarily logical.

It's the way our brains are wired.

How old are you anyway?

I am really curious.

I am 66.

32. Yes I know women are emotional, prone to hysteria. For some reason I thought the ones on LGF were different...

526 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:43:07pm

re: #524 HoosierHoops

I have never called you any name..not one..
My complaint..again..Is that you could calm this down..easily...
but you for hours now keep pushing back in a very defensive posture..
Dorian has spoken highly of you..So I trust him..Humble yourself alittle bit and reengage the lizards and smoothe some feathers..It's on you my friend..you started this shit..fair or not..Play nice..disagree or agree
but share....It's on you..

Too late for that. I'm enemy #1 for Sharmuta Clique and that's the way it's going to be.

527 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:43:29pm

re: #505 EIDE_Interface

No, just stating the facts. I will be banned by the end of this night. 100% guaranteed. Sharmuta's clique have made sure of it. Whoever they want banned is banned.

Dude, if you get banned, it wont be Sharmuta and her clique that do it. It will be because you keep ratcheting up the rhetoric. Charles isn't controlled by anyone. Yes I do think Sharmuta has gone overboard agitating a crowd, but there really is no clique. I also think you are reacting kind of poorly.

You have let yourself become intimidated and are striking out in ways that are making others misunderstand you and wonder if Sharmuta isnt right. I have read enough of your posts to be pretty sure you are neither a troll nor a moby. I think quite honestly the worst problem you have is that you probably just dont understand the social etiquette of LGF.

Turn the rhetoric down a few notches and try giving people well reasoned out responses that are not inflammatory or insulting and you will be surprised just how many people will quit thinking you might be a troll or moby.

528 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:45:25pm

Dorian - what I'm supposed to stroke all the right egos first before I can give my honest opinions? I thought I left that at work.

529 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:47:50pm

I miss Gordon

530 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:48:24pm

re: #518 Sharmuta

I don't think you're a sexist

Umm, have you seen his #525?

531 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:48:51pm

re: #518 Sharmuta

Ease up - Dorian extended his hand to you so why not take it?

532 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:49:08pm

I am in 100% support of Eide posting his true thoughts and feelings on any thread he wishes.

To say that anyone is following my line of thinking for any other reason besides they think for themselves and yet happen to agree with me is an insult to the intelligence of Lizards.

Go ahead and hang you're hat on that, dorian. You're not insulting me- you're insulting other Lizards. See you later- I'm done with this thread.

533 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:50:08pm

re: #526 EIDE_Interface

Too late for that. I'm enemy #1 for Sharmuta Clique and that's the way it's going to be.

No it's not. Sharmuta may have a very fast temper, but she is basically a fair minded person. I kid you not, she can surprise you with her ability to be reasonable and logical and fair. Give her a chance and you will find out she, just like you really is one of the good guys. I know you have been blindsided the last few days, But I also know my fellow Lizards. They are good people. Be reasonable clam and act like the good person I am sure you are. Let go of the anger and tension and engage in calm, reasoned dialog and you will see it.

534 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:52:05pm

re: #530 Moe Katz

I was talking to dorian, not eide.


re: #531 sparrowlake

He's done no such thing, first of all. Second, I was easing up. I don't want to discuss this right now. But I do think that if the sexism in this country is going to change then things should be brought up like this. I wasn't attacking- I just mentioned it is all. Dorian can think about it on his own and we can discuss it another time.

535 HoosierHoops  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:52:51pm

re: #526 EIDE_Interface

Too late for that. I'm enemy #1 for Sharmuta Clique and that's the way it's going to be.


You know what..that shit would fly with anyone else but me..
I think my first couple posts here..a couple thousand ago..I go in a tiff with her..I thought she said something that she did not..I unfairly went after her and it was my only dust-up on LGF's. We talked about our little issue and worked it out...Just a misunderstanding....
she never threatened to have me banned or if she has a click..they never beat me up..
If you can't come here..cause a stir and then somehow can't work it out as a 32 year old man..then you deserve to be banned...

536 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:53:47pm

re: #533 doriangrey

You are playing right into EIDE's hand.

Notice how the thread is about HIM/HER now?

Most of us will no longer respond to it after last night
They are a drag on this site and are here to simply kill any enthusiasm for McCain.

537 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:53:48pm

re: #525 EIDE_Interface

32. Yes I know women are emotional, prone to hysteria. For some reason I thought the ones on LGF were different...

WOW - rude awakening huh?

Lesson one ...

Females are females.

Males are males.

Don't matter what sector of the planet they are in or on. Including cyberspace.

Dropping the hysteria reference would be a good start BTW.

OK - born in '76 - ah the year I returned to the States. A good year.

Don't want for you to get kicked to the curb, guy.

With unrealistic expectations from LGF or life you may find yourself there.

Think on that ... please.

538 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:53:49pm

re: #533 doriangrey

No it's not. Sharmuta may have a very fast temper, but she is basically a fair minded person. I kid you not, she can surprise you with her ability to be reasonable and logical and fair. Give her a chance and you will find out she, just like you really is one of the good guys. I know you have been blindsided the last few days, But I also know my fellow Lizards. They are good people. Be reasonable clam and act like the good person I am sure you are. Let go of the anger and tension and engage in calm, reasoned dialog and you will see it.

You should notice that none of those "reasonable" people denounced:

#515 jcw46 9/30/08 8:33:58 pm reply quote 0

re: #511 Sharmuta
I'm hoping it'll O.D.

539 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:53:53pm

re: #533 doriangrey

Thank you, Dorian. I realize you're trying to be kind, much like Dianna has done with Eide. But please take my advice and read last night's overnight thread and you will see many other patient Lizards have lost it with this one.

Now- I'm really done with this thread.

540 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:55:18pm

re: #535 HoosierHoops

I have no clique. I stand on my own just like everyone else here.

GAH! I have to leave this thread because Typical Whitey is right.

541 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:55:50pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

Thank you, Dorian. I realize you're trying to be kind, much like Dianna has done with Eide. But please take my advice and read last night's overnight thread and you will see many other patient Lizards have lost it with this one.

Now- I'm really done with this thread.

Can I kiss your cute little blue cheek goodnight? My worthy leader!

542 kayfromcarroll  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:57:04pm

re: #372 galloping granny

Mother born in 1925, Father born in 1929. Both lived through the Great Depression. Dad served in Korean Conflict. Myself born in 1961. Parents are die-hard Democrats. All 3 kids are Republicans. Seems the early Boomers (i.e., recycled flower children) are the bigger problem. Sense of entitlement, belief that protest will solve all issues, etc. Or maybe I was just raised in blue-collar America. Still believe in free-market capitalism. NO BAILOUTS!

543 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 8:59:50pm

re: #528 EIDE_Interface

Dorian - what I'm supposed to stroke all the right egos first before I can give my honest opinions? I thought I left that at work.

No, that isnt a requirement here. What you have to understand is that this is a very large group and as in any large group there are different kinds of people. Some have really really short fuses when it comes to certain subjects. You need to learn to not automatically attack back when you are attacked here. Even the Lizards with those subject sensitive fuses are decent people. When I first started posting here a very wise Lizards once told me, if you ever go to post something and anywhere in the back of your head you think, well this might start a fight or be taken the wrong way, then its probably a good idea to not post that comment.

544 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:01:25pm

re: #284 doriangrey

The UK doesn't have the separation of church and state clause America has. It needs one very badly. We very badly need to ensure that ours is enforced to the letter. Please try remembering that fascists are people who force their ideology on people they believe are misguided or to ignorant to govern themselves. We cannot allow ourselves to adopt fascist tactics even for the good of the women of Islam. What we absolutely must do is find methods to free them from the shackles of Islamic oppression without exchanging their Islamic shackles with western fascist shackles while placing those exact same fascists shackles on ourselves in the process.

So, the UK was fascist up until they very recently gave sharia the force of law? And we (the USA) must have been fascist all along because we never have?

545 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:02:25pm

re: #543 doriangrey

No, that isnt a requirement here. What you have to understand is that this is a very large group and as in any large group there are different kinds of people. Some have really really short fuses when it comes to certain subjects. You need to learn to not automatically attack back when you are attacked here. Even the Lizards with those subject sensitive fuses are decent people. When I first started posting here a very wise Lizards once told me, if you ever go to post something and anywhere in the back of your head you think, well this might start a fight or be taken the wrong way, then its probably a good idea to not post that comment.

So basically, give in to the short-fuse people. Whatever they want.

546 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:04:03pm

re: #543 doriangrey

I saw this comment come up in the spy. After this, I'm going to log out and take a break for a little while.

Dorian- I think you need to understand that for some of us- violence against women is indeed a short fuse. It should not be tolerated by any decent society. So if violence against women sets off my fuse, or Mandy's fuse, or anyone's fuse- there might be a reason for it. And I'm not going to think poorly of anyone who refuses to tolerate the intolerable as far as violent misogyny goes.

Hope this helps you understand. Good night for now.

*offers up blue cheek to Walter*

547 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:04:19pm

re: #544 DeeAitch

So, the UK was fascist up until they very recently gave sharia the force of law? And we (the USA) must have been fascist all along because we never have?

That isn't valid argumentation. That's flame bait.

548 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:04:47pm

re: #545 EIDE_Interface

So basically, give in to the short-fuse people. Whatever they want.

No, just dont fight with them.

549 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:07:28pm

re: #548 doriangrey

No, just dont fight with them.

I'll keep that in mind. Assuming I'm not banned in about 2-3 hours.

550 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:08:37pm

re: #543 doriangrey

So basically, give in to the short-fuse people. Whatever they want

THIS COMMENT BY IT SHOULD BE ALL THE PROOF YOU SHOULD NEED THAT PROVE THAT IT DOESN NOT WANT TO BE CIVIL WITH HIS POSTS, NOR DOES HE WANT ANYTHING OTHER THAN PEOPLE SLAMMING HIM.

551 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:09:06pm

re: #547 EIDE_Interface
To represent that Pat Condell's petition has anything to do with Fascism is pretty mock-worthy.

552 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:11:24pm

re: #551 DeeAitch

To represent that Pat Condell's petition has anything to do with Fascism is pretty mock-worthy.

Petitions are pretty useless these days. The only thing that seems to have worked lately are emails/phone calls to Congressmen. Maybe they should do that in the UK with their MPs?

553 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:11:41pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

Walter,
there is a very good post @ #355

554 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:11:58pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

THIS COMMENT BY IT SHOULD BE ALL THE PROOF YOU SHOULD NEED THAT PROVE THAT IT DOESN NOT WANT TO BE CIVIL WITH HIS POSTS, NOR DOES HE WANT ANYTHING OTHER THAN PEOPLE SLAMMING HIM.

I bow to you superior insights.

I am frikkin done on this one.

I promise Walter.

Kick him to the curb ... not salvageable.

555 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:12:23pm

re: #546 Sharmuta

I saw this comment come up in the spy. After this, I'm going to log out and take a break for a little while.

Dorian- I think you need to understand that for some of us- violence against women is indeed a short fuse. It should not be tolerated by any decent society. So if violence against women sets off my fuse, or Mandy's fuse, or anyone's fuse- there might be a reason for it. And I'm not going to think poorly of anyone who refuses to tolerate the intolerable as far as violent misogyny goes.

Hope this helps you understand. Good night for now.

*offers up blue cheek to Walter*

I do understand, there are things for which I also have a very short fuse. In many ways I was once like EIDE is now, when attacked, rightly or wrongly my anger blinded me to what others were saying and all I could see was their attacks. It took me a long tome to mature to the point where I could stop myself from reacting on impulse and act with reason instead.

You are one of my favorite posters here Sharmuta, I am not trying to pick any kind of fight with you. I am asking you though to give the same consideration to EIDE that you asked me to give to cognito. I was wrong about cognito, and I think you are wrong about EIDE.

556 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:15:17pm

dorian - I appreciate you sticking up for me. But it's just not in my nature to give into other people's bullying tactics. I am not obligated to figure out why they are attacking me. I never did justify DV in general, I was talking about Muslims very specifically. Then when I pressed them on what to do about it, they called me a fascist for proposing REAL solutions. They don't want to fix anything, just rant.

557 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:16:23pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

THIS COMMENT BY IT SHOULD BE ALL THE PROOF YOU SHOULD NEED THAT PROVE THAT IT DOESN NOT WANT TO BE CIVIL WITH HIS POSTS, NOR DOES HE WANT ANYTHING OTHER THAN PEOPLE SLAMMING HIM.

re: #548 doriangrey

No, just dont fight with them.

I'll keep that in mind. Assuming I'm not banned in about 2-3 hours.

Chill Walter, if I am wrong I will apologize. I think you have seriously over estimated the situation. Your posts which started out as reasoned are escalating rather than deescalating the situation.

558 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:17:41pm

re: #552 EIDE_Interface

Real democracy is pretty much extinct in the UK, I agree. How it is to be rebuilt there, I don't know.
However, I don't see how, in that case, "Impose martial law!" is a less fantastic option than "Mobilize public opinion to make lawmakers see sense."

559 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:18:10pm

re: #557 doriangrey

Chill Walter, if I am wrong I will apologize. I think you have seriously over estimated the situation. Your posts which started out as reasoned are escalating rather than deescalating the situation.

EIDE has hijacked this thread.
You are helping it to do it.

Sheesh!

560 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:18:20pm

I just find it a tad ironic that Walter is accusing me of mental illness while he proceeds to melt down in front of everyone....

561 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:18:52pm

re: #559 Typicalwhitey

EIDE has hijacked this thread.
You are helping it to do it.

Sheesh!

Uh, we're discussing the UK right now. You are free to join us.

562 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:19:31pm

re: #558 DeeAitch

Real democracy is pretty much extinct in the UK, I agree. How it is to be rebuilt there, I don't know.
However, I don't see how, in that case, "Impose martial law!" is a less fantastic option than "Mobilize public opinion to make lawmakers see sense."

Well, sure we should petition our representatives first before martial law. But the way the UK is going, events will force their hand.

563 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:19:45pm

re: #556 EIDE_Interface

dorian - I appreciate you sticking up for me. But it's just not in my nature to give into other people's bullying tactics. I am not obligated to figure out why they are attacking me. I never did justify DV in general, I was talking about Muslims very specifically. Then when I pressed them on what to do about it, they called me a fascist for proposing REAL solutions. They don't want to fix anything, just rant.

It's not about giving in. It's about not being a bully yourself. If you are the person I believe you are you will understand that in a civil environment sometimes the correct answer is the gentle answer, even when you are being attacked.

564 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:19:52pm

Comment # 131 has a (-) ding from this blogs owner ( and 11 other Lizards, me incuded )

Was this negative comment justified, or is Charles simply a reactionary or following the instructions of Sharmuta?


I would like a serious answer. EIDE, I would like you to defent comment 131, or perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to say that you were wrong.

565 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:22:20pm

re: #564 Shug

Comment # 131 has a (-) ding from this blogs owner ( and 11 other Lizards, me incuded )

Was this negative comment justified, or is Charles simply a reactionary or following the instructions of Sharmuta?


I would like a serious answer. EIDE, I would like you to defent comment 131, or perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to say that you were wrong.

You forgot the context my #131 comment. I've basically written off the Muslim "civilization" completely in my mind, as well as people I know have done the same. We aren't even thinking about DV wrt to Muslims, that's just another one of the reasons to not care anymore about that culture.

566 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:23:06pm

re: #560 EIDE_Interface

I just find it a tad ironic that Walter is accusing me of mental illness while he proceeds to melt down in front of everyone....

Dude - I think you missed my #507 and many others.

567 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:23:25pm

re: #557 doriangrey

Here ya go, you deserve this.
Enjoy...and chill.

568 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:23:51pm

re: #565 EIDE_Interface

You forgot the context my #131 comment. I've basically written off the Muslim "civilization" completely in my mind, as well as people I know have done the same. We aren't even thinking about DV wrt to Muslims, that's just another one of the reasons to not care anymore about that culture.


So Charles and now 12 other fair minded people were wrong to give this a negative rating?

You cannot accept and admit that comment 131 is out of line?

569 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:24:42pm

re: #565 EIDE_Interface

You don't write off segments of your own country. That is an abdication both of sovereignty and one's obligations as the keeper of justice.

570 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:26:26pm

re: #569 DeeAitch

You don't write off segments of your own country. That is an abdication both of sovereignty and one's obligations as the keeper of justice.

I never invited them into this country. They are not my responsibility. They refuse to assimilate to our culture. Tell me again, why I shouldn't write them off?

571 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:27:00pm

To an earlier poster, I wouldn't travel to MN because I don't want to ride in a Muslim cab.

572 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:27:55pm

re: #565 EIDE_Interface

You forgot the context my #131 comment. I've basically written off the Muslim "civilization" completely in my mind, as well as people I know have done the same. We aren't even thinking about DV wrt to Muslims, that's just another one of the reasons to not care anymore about that culture.

Not to care about women being beaten and abused?

Dude - get the to a shrink.

573 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:29:41pm

You use repeated "why"s to give an impression that you have adressed a material point and it's time to go on to another, when in fact you haven't.

That's childish. Do not expect me to favor you with another reply, ever.

574 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:30:29pm

re: #572 Bobibutu

Not to care about women being beaten and abused?

Dude - get the to a shrink.

You're framing it in the wrong way. First off, I do feel bad for them. But at the same time, I don't want to wage a civil war to free them either. So while I'm up front and honest about the whole sordid business, others will be very self-righteous about it.

575 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:31:08pm

re: #573 DeeAitch

You use repeated "why"s to give an impression that you have adressed a material point and it's time to go on to another, when in fact you haven't.

That's childish. Do not expect me to favor you with another reply, ever.

I'm taking my toys home too!

*pacifier*

576 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:31:37pm

re: #571 EIDE_Interface

To an earlier poster, I wouldn't travel to MN because I don't want to ride in a Muslim cab.

well that pretty much excludes your traveling to every city in America

and I am still waiting for you to answer whether or not you think question 131 was out of line given the negative response of several rational lizards and the owner of this website.

577 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:32:56pm

re: #575 EIDE_Interface

I'm sure you already have enough of them in your attic.

578 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:33:05pm

re: #576 Shug

well that pretty much excludes your traveling to every city in America

and I am still waiting for you to answer whether or not you think question 131 was out of line given the negative response of several rational lizards and the owner of this website.

So I'm supposed to judge the validity of a comment by what people say, or whether it's valid by the merits? Let's have you give a dissertation on the subject while we're at it.

579 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:33:50pm

re: #577 DeeAitch

I'm sure you already have enough of them in your attic.

You said you'd not give another response.

580 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:34:45pm

I said not to expect one. Since I had a thought that amused me, I shared it.

581 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:36:28pm

re: #580 DeeAitch

I said not to expect one. Since I had a thought that amused me, I shared it.

Yeah but this last response had to be knee-jerk.

582 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:37:33pm

re: #578 EIDE_Interface

So I'm supposed to judge the validity of a comment by what people say, or whether it's valid by the merits? Let's have you give a dissertation on the subject while we're at it.

OK, thanks. I gave you a chance.

we all make mistakes and say the wrong thing from time to time. I find this blog to be a pretty good barometer.
When I get ripped for something I said, I take a look at it, and for the most part I realize I was wrong.

You lack this ability. You were wrong. Reasonable people have voted and affirmed that.
I think whatever credibility you had just died with your refusal to see the obvious. You were wrong. Period.

I would imagine not even Doriangray can come to your aid this time. You blew it.

Now back to comment 355

583 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:38:00pm

Somewhere out there a bridge is missing a little something.

584 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:38:19pm

This damn Islamofascism brings out the worst in each of us. We need to resist the urge to "write off" the constitutional rights of our own Muslim citizens because doing so diminishes our own rights. As hard as that is, there is no better alternative.

585 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:38:32pm

re: #582 Shug

OK, thanks. I gave you a chance.

we all make mistakes and say the wrong thing from time to time. I find this blog to be a pretty good barometer.
When I get ripped for something I said, I take a look at it, and for the most part I realize I was wrong.

You lack this ability. You were wrong. Reasonable people have voted and affirmed that.
I think whatever credibility you had just died with your refusal to see the obvious. You were wrong. Period.

I would imagine not even Doriangray can come to your aid this time. You blew it.

Now back to comment 355

That you are so quick to pull the trigger on someone's credibility speaks volumes. That's a typical Soviet-style tactic.

586 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:38:57pm

re: #559 Typicalwhitey

EIDE has hijacked this thread.
You are helping it to do it.

Sheesh!

EIDE didnt hijack this thread, he said something that a couple of people found offensive and they attacked him for it. EIDE then did a terrible job of defending himself by resorting to attacking his attackers. I'm not helping anyone I am trying to stop EIDE from attacking those who are attacking him. and trying to restore a civil nature to this thread.

I myself have deep and conflicting reservations on this subject. Something has to be done, but a profoundly worry that the doing could easily slip into fanatical fascist tactics if we are not extremely careful. As a former professional musician I have seen more mob psychology in action than most people have. Fascism draws on the good intentions of normal people and applies mob psychology to those good intentions and turns normally decent people into fanatical party members before they even know what is happening to them.

Charles has displayed an enormous amount of wisdom by refusing to side with Europe's fascist racist hate mongers. Islam is the problem, but we cannot and must not fall prey to tactics that are repressive and fascist in dealing with Islam.

Rather than attack someone who naively suggests declaring martial law as a solution or who thinks that Muslim women shouldn't be forced to abandon Sharia law against their will we need to be exploring viable methods of dealing with Islam. We need to show logical and reasoned ideas the light of day to convince not only EIDE that Muslim women need to be saved from the brutality of Islam but those Muslim women as well. And we need to do it without violating our own democratic ideologies as well.

587 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:40:53pm

dorian - you can't win wars nicely. WW2 wasn't won by being nice. 50 million people died.

588 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:41:18pm

re: #584 sparrowlake

This damn Islamofascism brings out the worst in each of us. We need to resist the urge to "write off" the constitutional rights of our own Muslim citizens because doing so diminishes our own rights. As hard as that is, there is no better alternative.

That doesn't really address Eeyore's #131 because it came from a different level of consciousness in which such moral imperatives do not exist. #131 was simply a statement of not giving a fuck.

589 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:41:28pm

re: #586 doriangrey

I'd like to know which specific "Fascist" operations you have seen advocated in this forum.

590 Shug  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:41:34pm

re: #586 doriangrey

EIDE didnt hijack this thread, he said something that a couple of people found offensive

Comment 131 has a minus 15 rating. it was offensive.

take a look at who rated it.

591 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:30pm

re: #588 Moe Katz

That doesn't really address Eeyore's #131 because it came from a different level of consciousness in which such moral imperatives do not exist. #131 was simply a statement of not giving a fuck.

I do care about DV, just not in the Muslim world. I care about my own civilization. I can't be bothered to spend time/energy trying to save a fundamentally broken culture that desires to murder me and everyone I know.

592 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #590 Shug

Comment 131 has a minus 15 rating. it was offensive.

take a look at who rated it.

You're obsession with "offensive" is eerily similar to the left wing's.

593 rboa  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:44:51pm

between him and mark stein, who can the British ppl ignore such wonderful logic?

594 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:37pm

re: #591 EIDE_Interface

I do care about DV, just not in the Muslim world. I care about my own civilization. I can't be bothered to spend time/energy trying to save a fundamentally broken culture that desires to murder me and everyone I know.

That isn't what you wrote. To remind you, this is what you wrote: "Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess."

595 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:46:48pm

Cultures are different from the people who are their carriers. A culture can be entirely worth discarding; people can't.

596 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:47:46pm

re: #594 Moe Katz

That isn't what you wrote. To remind you, this is what you wrote: "Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess."

You know taking comments out of context is exactly what the left-wing does to Rush Limbaugh day and night.

597 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:18pm

re: #595 DeeAitch

Cultures are different from the people who are their carriers. A culture can be entirely worth discarding; people can't.

They are beyond salvaging. 9/11/01 with the Pali celebrations should have been the final nail in that coffin.

598 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:18pm

re: #589 DeeAitch

I'd like to know which specific "Fascist" operations you have seen advocated in this forum.

The notion has been hinted at and implied that we should violate the constitutional rights of our Muslim fellow citizens for their own good. You can play semantic games if you want and say that nobody has come right out and said it, but the implication has unquestionable been there.

599 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:48:37pm

You know, I can't imagine any possible context that would make that sentence okay.

600 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:49:54pm

Well, then, at least have the moral fortitude to name a name (beside EIDE's).

601 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:51:26pm

re: #598 doriangrey

The notion has been hinted at and implied that we should violate the constitutional rights of our Muslim fellow citizens for their own good. You can play semantic games if you want and say that nobody has come right out and said it, but the implication has unquestionable been there.

Department of HS and FBI are already infiltrating mosques to gain intelligence on jihadi activity. So why not go all the way?

602 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:53:45pm

re: #588 Moe Katz

That doesn't really address Eeyore's #131 because it came from a different level of consciousness in which such moral imperatives do not exist. #131 was simply a statement of not giving a fuck.

I don't know about levels of consciousness. I do know that the Eurofascists are prepared to advocate cures for Islamofascism which may be worse than the disease. We must pull together to be stronger than that in order to safeguard our own liberties, even if it means our fight against Islamofascism is made more difficult. Someone like Eide highlights the problem and thereby renders us a service.

603 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:54:22pm

re: #574 EIDE_Interface

You're framing it in the wrong way. First off, I do feel bad for them. But at the same time, I don't want to wage a civil war to free them either. So while I'm up front and honest about the whole sordid business, others will be very self-righteous about it.

I studied with Leslie Camron Bandler as well as her estranged hubby (one of the originators of NLP) back in the 70s and 80s - be carefull with framing and re-framing references to me. That is basics.

OK let's step back ...

What are your points and steps forward?

Islam is an Iron fist - my personal experience - yours?

Education is the key. Yours?

What is your up-front and honest opinion -

(we only can offer opinions here because we don't know how any of this shit will turn out) ... any one saying they do - just like the market - is full of shit.

Honest vs. Self righteous - explain?

604 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:57:53pm

re: #590 Shug

Comment 131 has a minus 15 rating. it was offensive.

take a look at who rated it.

I read it, and while I find it disturbing it brings up a very serious issue that cannot be dismissed simply by calling it or him disgusting. America has a very long and serious history of religious tolerance. Before we even start discussing banning a fundamental part of Islamic practice we need to make damned sure that doing so does not violate our own principals of religious tolerance.

Is the Islamic practice regarding women wrong? Yes, even EIDE stated that it was. We have no disagreement on that issue. Can we just ban part of Islamic theology? That my friend is a very serious question. Once upon a time our forefathers would not have hesitated to do so, just ask the Mormons. Could we do it today?

605 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:50pm

re: #602 sparrowlake

I do know that the Eurofascists are prepared to advocate cures for Islamofascism which may be worse than the disease.

Between you and me---don't anyone else read this post, please---I think the Eurofascists may end up having a healthy effect on the situation. How? Because they will pick up a lot of votes in elections without becoming the government, or at most gain portfolios in coalition governments. The mainline parties will see the need to address the threat in order to maintain popular support, and will steal those planks from their platforms that can be implemented in a democratic society. The minority parties in a multiparty system often affect the direction of policymaking in this way.

606 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 9:58:57pm

re: #601 EIDE_Interface

I somehow don't see that as wrong. I guess that I must be the Fascist.
/sarc,
for your benefit, EIDE.

607 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:15pm

dorian - actually if the UK simply enforced their DV laws, they could clean up those Muslim ghettos fast. They don't need new laws - just enforce the ones on the book. It is never legal to engage in DV, no matter if your sick, twisted religion tells you to do it.

608 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:00:58pm

re: #601 EIDE_Interface

Department of HS and FBI are already infiltrating mosques to gain intelligence on jihadi activity. So why not go all the way?

A little thing called the US Constitution.

609 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:01:16pm

re: #606 DeeAitch

I somehow don't see that as wrong. I guess that I must be the Fascist.
/sarc,
for your benefit, EIDE.

I didn't say I have a problem with DHS or the FBI activities. I want more.

610 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:02:17pm

re: #608 doriangrey

A little thing called the US Constitution.

A little thing called "The constitution is not a suicide pact" - Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago 1949

611 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:24pm

Then I apologize for my misconstruction of your comment. But don't you realize that if you aren't being sarcastic yourself, you are outing yourself as dorian's crypto-fascist lizard. Funny that he's being defending you though. Between the two of you, cognitive dissonance is reaching critical mass.

612 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:04:50pm

re: #605 Moe Katz

Nineteen hundred and twenty eight.
Germany.

613 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:16pm

amend that to "been defending you".

614 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:05:37pm

re: #609 EIDE_Interface

I didn't say I have a problem with DHS or the FBI activities. I want more.

And I want to make damned sure that any "more" action doesn't violate our constitution. Damn it, American citizens Muslim or not are just that, American citizens. They deserve the full protection of our constitution and bill of rights. Yes, what they are doing angers and scares me, but not as much as the idea of us sacrificing our constitution or liberties preventing them from taking over our country does.

615 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:06:50pm

re: #612 sparrowlake

Nineteen hundred and twenty eight.
Germany.

A legitimate concern. But I think the organism must be provoked to produce an immune response in order to expel the invading infection.

616 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:07:44pm

dorian - did it ever occur to you that they cynically use the gift of US Citizenship to overthrow this country as a 5th column?

5th column

617 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:11:43pm

re: #616 EIDE_Interface

dorian - did it ever occur to you that they cynically use the gift of US Citizenship to overthrow this country as a 5th column?

5th column

Oh I have no doubt that that is the intention of some. Just as the communists and socialists have been doing the exact same thing for almost a hundred years. But 5th columnist or not I am not even remotely willing to start denying some American citizens their civil and constitutional rights until they have had a genuine full application of fair and due process by the law.

618 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:02pm

I'm off to bed. You and I can pursue this another time, sparrowlake. I see Islam as the more immediate threat, for you it is fascism/nazism.

619 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:12:03pm

Expulsion of a citizen is not per se unjust. But it must be justified clear and individual offenses. We can't legally condemn Muslims as a category.

620 DeeAitch  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:13:54pm

Signing off now. Wake me if you get that martial law declared.

621 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:14:20pm

re: #619 DeeAitch

Expulsion of a citizen is not per se unjust. But it must be justified clear and individual offenses. We can't legally condemn Muslims as a category.

My point exactly. re: #618 Moe Katz

I'm off to bed. You and I can pursue this another time, sparrowlake. I see Islam as the more immediate threat, for you it is fascism/nazism.

I see them as equal threats, just opposite side of the same coin.

622 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:15:02pm

re: #617 doriangrey

Oh I have no doubt that that is the intention of some. Just as the communists and socialists have been doing the exact same thing for almost a hundred years. But 5th columnist or not I am not even remotely willing to start denying some American citizens their civil and constitutional rights until they have had a genuine full application of fair and due process by the law.

We'll agree to disagree.

623 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:16:36pm

re: #596 EIDE_Interface

You know taking comments out of context is exactly what the left-wing does to Rush Limbaugh day and night.

Nothing was taken out of context. Moe Katz quoted of your #131, verbatim.

624 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:17:56pm

re: #623 Slumbering Behemoth

Nothing was taken out of context. Moe Katz quoted of your #131, verbatim.

I mean out of context for the whole thread.

625 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:18:48pm

I'm pretty sure that Charles can ban me in 2 seconds if he wanted to. That he hasn't yet indicates I haven't violated the "terms". Apparently annoying the hell out of Mandy & Sharmuta isn't sufficient grounds for banning.

626 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:19:00pm

re: #555 doriangrey

I do understand, there are things for which I also have a very short fuse. In many ways I was once like EIDE is now, when attacked, rightly or wrongly my anger blinded me to what others were saying and all I could see was their attacks. It took me a long tome to mature to the point where I could stop myself from reacting on impulse and act with reason instead.

You are one of my favorite posters here Sharmuta, I am not trying to pick any kind of fight with you. I am asking you though to give the same consideration to EIDE that you asked me to give to cognito. I was wrong about cognito, and I think you are wrong about EIDE.

No- I was wrong about cognito.

627 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:27:15pm

re: #624 EIDE_Interface

I mean out of context for the whole thread.

How? Explain how quoting your comment, verbatim, was out of context of the whole thread.

628 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:28:23pm

re: #627 Slumbering Behemoth

How? Explain how quoting your comment, verbatim, was out of context of the whole thread.

I'm not going to bother repeating myself. You can read my responses on this thread.

629 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:30:01pm

re: #625 EIDE_Interface

I'm pretty sure that Charles can ban me in 2 seconds if he wanted to. That he hasn't yet indicates I haven't violated the "terms". Apparently annoying the hell out of Mandy & Sharmuta isn't sufficient grounds for banning.

Dont push your luck. Please be civil. Charles wasn't particularly happy with your comment #131 and probably hasn't been paying a great deal of attention to this thread. He doesn't ban people just for the hell of it, but he also doesn't put up with people who fight with everyone they talk to either.

This site has far to many detractors just waiting, lurking in the shadows, looking for any opportunity to attack Charles because of the behavior of us Lizards. Charles doesn't deserve it and doesn't suffer fools lightly.

You can either keep fighting with people and eventually get yourself banned, or you can act like a relatively mature adult and engage in reasonable logical rational civil debate. If you do act like a civilized adult and make your point in a reasonable manner our other Lizards will eventually treat you like a genuine lizard.

If you cant, Charles will eventually be forced to restore a civilized tone to his blog in his own special way.

630 sparrowlake  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:32:18pm

EIDE has not actually advocated deportation or concentration camps.
But that is ultimately where "writing off" the constitutional rights of citizens may lead.
That "write-off" is therefore unacceptable.
Good night folks.

631 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:36:00pm

re: #630 sparrowlake

EIDE has not actually advocated deportation or concentration camps.
But that is ultimately where "writing off" the constitutional rights of citizens may lead.
That "write-off" is therefore unacceptable.
Good night folks.

By write-off, I mean mentally speaking. I am not obligated to worry about their welfare.

632 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:41:54pm

re: #628 EIDE_Interface

I'm not going to bother repeating myself. You can read my responses on this thread.

I have. None of your comments answer my question:

How is quoting your comment, verbatim, out of context for the whole thread? Don't bother explaining, your are obviously full of crap.

re: #596 EIDE_Interface

You know taking comments out of context is exactly what the left-wing does to Rush Limbaugh day and night.

You accused Moe of taking your quote out of context. I called you on it, then you tried to claim that you meant it was "out of context for this thread".

You're flailing, trying to twist like a pretzel, and doing a lousy job of it.

633 EIDE_Interface  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:46:50pm

re: #632 Slumbering Behemoth

You accused Moe of taking your quote out of context. I called you on it, then you tried to claim that you meant it was "out of context for this thread".

You're flailing, trying to twist like a pretzel, and doing a lousy job of it.

It's called spin.

634 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:47:01pm

re: #632 Slumbering Behemoth

You accused Moe of taking your quote out of context. I called you on it, then you tried to claim that you meant it was "out of context for this thread".

You're flailing, trying to twist like a pretzel, and doing a lousy job of it.

EIDE has been being beat up all night now that he has just started acting civil again you want to start in on him.

635 Wendya  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 10:47:56pm

re: #131 EIDE_Interface

Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess.

And if they believe it's okay to kill infidels, you guess that's their right as well?

636 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 11:03:53pm

re: #633 EIDE_Interface

It's called spin.

And you have been a whirling dervish tonight.

What context should this be viewed in?

re: #131 EIDE_Interface

Still if they believe in their own religion that men are allowed to beat on women - well that's their right I guess.

Remember, that is your entire comment, verbatim.

re: #634 doriangrey

EIDE has been being beat up all night now that he has just started acting civil again you want to start in on him.

Boo hoo for EIDE. It walked in and dumped on the rug, then went on to do more bitching than an entire concert hall full of emo teens when other Lizards pointed out how much "his" shit stank.

Defend him all you like, but if he can't take his lumps for posting such drivel he either needs to leather-up or move on.

637 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 11:09:25pm

re: #636 Slumbering Behemoth

Boo hoo for EIDE. It walked in and dumped on the rug, then went on to do more bitching than an entire concert hall full of emo teens when other Lizards pointed out how much "his" shit stank.

Defend him all you like, but if he can't take his lumps for posting such drivel he either needs to leather-up or move on.

He has been taking his lumps all night, enough is enough. Show yourself capable of civilized behavior or you are no better than what you accuse him of.

638 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 11:17:53pm

re: #637 doriangrey

Behaving like an ass, and then crying persecution when people call you on it is not taking your lumps. That is playing the victim card, plain and simple.

639 doriangrey  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 11:33:22pm

re: #638 Slumbering Behemoth

Behaving like an ass, and then crying persecution when people call you on it is not taking your lumps. That is playing the victim card, plain and simple.

People weren't just calling him on it, they were being pretty damned nasty and attacking him. Somebody ever suggested that they hoped he would have an overdose. More than anything else his comments were insensitive. Like it or not there are a lot of Americans who have very similar opinions to him. Going all kos kiddie on them isnt the way to change their attitudes.

People who are attacked get defensive and stop being open to reason. Maturity isnt something that you can purchase at Wal-Mart. Someone has to show you by example what it is and why it's valuable.

640 Moe Katz  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 11:55:28pm

re: #639 doriangrey

Maturity isnt something that you can purchase at Wal-Mart

Did you check there recently? Did you try Kmart?

641 doriangrey  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 12:11:57am

re: #640 Moe Katz

Did you check there recently? Did you try Kmart?

ROTFLMAO..............Of course, how do you think I know things like this.

642 jcw46  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 1:36:13am

re: #636 Slumbering Behemoth

Boo hoo for EIDE. It walked in and dumped on the rug, then went on to do more bitching than an entire concert hall full of emo teens when other Lizards pointed out how much "his" shit stank.

Defend him all you like, but if he can't take his lumps for posting such drivel he either needs to leather-up or move on.

BTW;
"outmoded interface" comments in this thread concerning Sharia:
approx 90
Number of down dings for those comments: approx 130

Doriangrey comments in this thread (mostly defending "outmoded interface" and attacking anyone else)
approx 34
Number of down dings for those comments: approx 7

jcw46 comments pointing out "outmoded interface" pov was located in his rectal area: approx 13
number of down dings = 0
number of up dings = 4

So maybe I don't have a large number of comments (although my average per day so far is 2.5 which more than "outmoded interface"s average per day.)
At least generally my comments are more in line with rational thinking lizards here. I'll take that over YOUR opinion any day doriengrey

643 Pass The Moonbaticide  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 2:56:49am

Here's the story Pat refers to :
Muslim suing major supermarket chain for having to handle alcohol
I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet .

644 CommonSense  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 8:06:15am

Saudi Arabia was once a British Empire, now the reverse is happening.

645 Earl  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 8:34:23am

#49 bluecanuck

Re: Ontario shari'ah arbitrations:

Not quite accurate. Shari'ah arbitrations and beit din may still be convened, but their decisions cannot be enforced in Ontario courts. Usually spineless Premier Dalton McGuinty's finest hour, IMO- the state has no place in enforcing religious/parochial decisions.

This government response was directly contrary to the "findings" of the ex-NDP Cabmin, the perenially-clueless and dhimmified Marion Boyd. Credit for engendering much of this public outrage can be given to Ms. Homa Arjomand (PBUH) and Ms. Alia Hogben (PBUH). These are two very brave women. (Of course, the voice of the gormless, infantile, slight Irshad Manji was entirely silent during the issue).

646 Land Shark  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 9:37:46am

All i can say is Pat Condell for President! OK, OK, Pat Condell for Prime Minister, since he's a citizen of the UK. I'm just amazed the PC Thought Gestapo in the UK hasn't caught up with this guy. Too bad there aren't more like him, both in the UK and US.

647 sparrowlake  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:13:16am

re: #645 Earl

#49 bluecanuck
Re: Ontario shari'ah arbitrations:

Not quite accurate. Shari'ah arbitrations and beit din may still be convened, but their decisions cannot be enforced in Ontario courts. Usually spineless Premier Dalton McGuinty's finest hour, IMO- the state has no place in enforcing religious/parochial decisions.

This government response was directly contrary to the "findings" of the ex-NDP Cabmin, the perenially-clueless and dhimmified Marion Boyd. Credit for engendering much of this public outrage can be given to Ms. Homa Arjomand (PBUH) and Ms. Alia Hogben (PBUH). These are two very brave women. (Of course, the voice of the gormless, infantile, slight Irshad Manji was entirely silent during the issue).

It was McGuinty's (*spit*) finest hour.
And no thanks to the CJC.

648 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 12:26:25pm

Video removed, the overlords have caught up with him.


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