Nothing to see here, move along. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

Man, this is rigged.

They should replace her with somebody a bit more objective like Keith Olberman

/

Wouldn't an impossible bias be a bias toward the Republican candidate?

This is getting completely ridiculous.

Getting? It's been ridiculous since Rev. Wright popped his head up. It's been unfuckingbelievable ever since.

Yes, she should step down, Charles. You're absolutely right. But I doubt she will.

Timed the release for inauguration day, does she know something?

Nahhh....

Replace her with Hugh Hewitt, or Charles Johnson, or me or just about anyone.

Where do Repub leaders get those tee-shirts with the logo on the back that says 'Kick Me'?

They're not going to replace Gwen but that's ok. Americans are quite capable of factoring in that sort of bias, so long as they are made aware of it.

Obviously any objections about the moderator implies racism.

/

The more I hear about these pro-0bama people the less I want to call them my fellow countrymen.

And that really really depresses me.

re: #2 Celtic Templar

Man, this is rigged.

From the first to the last.

GOP should call her bluff and demand she steps down.

My heads spins trying to fathom how they are going to try and spin this.

I mean, it's not as though Gwen didn't know when she signed onto the debate that she was writing this book.

/really feel like puking

re: #9 runrabbitrun

Where do Repub leaders get those tee-shirts with the logo on the back that says 'Kick Me'?

Tattoo Parlors. (They're not T-shirts.)

The left is shameless. Appearance of impropriety? -- a bourgeois concept.

I mean, seriously. How could this happen?

I have an idea. Gwen can ask Palin questions and David Freddoso can ask Biden questions. That's fair.

re: #10 rednaxela

They're not going to replace Gwen but that's ok. Americans are quite capable of factoring in that sort of bias, so long as they are made aware of it.

Doubtful. Just ask any Obama supporter.

re: #10 rednaxela

They're not going to replace Gwen but that's ok. Americans are quite capable of factoring in that sort of bias, so long as they are made aware of it.

If Governor Palin is asked truly ridiculous questions (For 100 points, what is the zip code for northeastern Helsinki?), does this mean that she will be able to call Ifell a racist?

TVNewser reports that Ifill has broken her ankle

She tripped over the hugh pile of contemptuous bias she brought for Palin.

re: #3 Shug

They should replace her with somebody a bit more objective like Keith Olberman

/

That is too funny!
GMTA here is my email to the debate contact:

Are you aware that the VP debate moderator Gwen Ifill, is releasing a pro Obama book after the Election?
Why is someone who is obviously very partial to Obama moderating this debate?

Why not just get Keith Olbermann?

Isn't the person supposed to be impartial?

Quote:

In an online video promoting her book, she is enthusiastic about "taking the story of Barack Obama and extending it."

It focuses on four people, "one of them Barack Obama of course," she said.

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Please get someone to moderate this debate who is non partisan.

Thank You,

Yeah, I mentioned this is the last thread. Isn't this a conflict of interest?

Who selected her to be moderator?

re: #10 rednaxela

They're not going to replace Gwen but that's ok. Americans are quite capable of factoring in that sort of bias, so long as they are made aware of it.

Do you really think that the general public will know that this chick is in the tank for Obama? I doubt there's any way they'll find out that she's writing a BOOK about him.

Oh boy.

If she can't trip up Sarah Palin, she'll screw up so badly in moderating this debate that the Democrats will have an excuse for Joe Biden's losing it.

Gwen Ifill just needs to keep from interrupting Sarah and not correct Joe when he flubs.

What group is responsible for choosing or proposing debate moderators? Don't both campaigns have to sign off on all the details? Was this known when the debate details were decided?

re: #24 solomonpanting

TVNewser reports that Ifill has broken her ankle

She tripped over the hugh pile of contemptuous bias she brought for Palin.

The hugh pile? Would that be Hugh Hewitt? Downs? Hefner? Grant? Laurie?

All we need yet is Youtube footage of a secret meeting of MSM bigwigs worshipping an Obama shrine.

Why don't they just be honest?
Newspapers should just place "Vote Obama!" above their mastheads, every newscast should start off with "Good morning/afternoon/evening - vote early and often for Obama! And now for the top story..."
This is what it's come to.

Is it possible that enough focus could get her replaced? I don't think so. I think that might be considered racist.

All the more reason to say a prayer that Saracuda knocks it out of the park.

After seeing how they've decided that Obama won the debate with McCain when in fact he was toasted, it will be nearly impossible for Palin to come out ahead. But they can't lie if a lot of people watch and I think enough people are curious that they could get good ratings.

re: #30 Intrepid

What group is responsible for choosing or proposing debate moderators? Don't both campaigns have to sign off on all the details? Was this known when the debate details were decided?

it was at least known to her fer crissakes ...

Maybe Palin and Biden can go at one another enough that the moderator is reduced simply to holding a whip and chair

I will give you the email addy of the person to contact to protest this.
nic is blue

PIMF ,in the last thread...

This is simply wrong. McCain now has his chance to show some balls and say it. He is a fucking fool.

From the comments at Amazon:

Email Janet H. Brown, Executive Director of the Debates Commission: jb@debates.org and send your complaints.

CONTACT The Commission on Presidential Debates 202-872-1020
Keep trying. You will find that the mailbox is full, BUT...it will ask you if you want to transfer to another extension (*8 I believe), then enter 12#. That will transfer you to a place that WILL accept voicemails on this subject.

Okay, Lizards, here's all the info. Let's stop whining and hop to it!
;)

She makes a living working for PBS. That really tells you all you need to know. Ask yourself who else lives this way...let me give you a few examples:

Big Bird (asks harder questions of Dems that Ifill)
Elmo (less annoying than the Shrew on the View)
Barney (only Joe Biden has a more massive swollen head)
that guy that took over for Bob Vila on "This Old House" (Obama better pray he can get Norm to do all the work)

Second thought...Gwen fits in fine.

re: #23 runrabbitrun

If Governor Palin is asked truly ridiculous questions (For 100 points, what is the zip code for northeastern Helsinki?), does this mean that she will be able to call Ifell a racist?

No, she should just issue an ultimatum: if Ifell remains moderator, no debate. We'll catch flak for it, but nowhere near what we'll catch if Ifell get in a good Gotcha. We can't let this biased woman moderate this debate.

re: #31 Opilio

Yikes!

re: #26 nigella

Yeah, I mentioned this is the last thread. Isn't this a conflict of interest?

No, a CONFLICT of interest would be if she desperately wanted Obama to win, and wasn't in a position to torpedo the running mate of his opponent.

I'd say that in this situation, Ifill's interests in helping Obama and sabotaging Sarah Palin are perfectly aligned.

re: #3 Shug

They should replace her with somebody a bit more objective like Keith Olberman

/

In Re: Olbermann; See Ray Finkel's mother...

The fix is absolutely in now!

Watch for Biden to develop some serious medical condition by Monday, and Hillary will jump right in to save the democraps.

I will bet anyone here a beer on it.

(good beer - none of that watered down rice brewed crap.)

A financial interest in the outcome of the election is a classic case of bias, even if this person weren't a dyed in the wool PBS liberal. It is beyond belief that she thinks she can fairly moderate this debate. That only goes to show how deluded she really is.

Charles is right. This is getting ridiculous. But that's the point. They keep pushing the envelope, so that the bar is lowered each time. In 2012, it will be Olberman as moderator, if this is allowed to stand.

You act as if this is something, oh, I dunno... different? Unusual? Unexpected?

But then, there's nothing that says Ms. Ifill is going to let her Professionally Cultured Bias infect the proceedings tomorrow. I'm sure that as a Professional she's aware of the potential and will be scrupulously fair. Friday morning, after we all have a chance to calm down and consider her performance with some detachment we'll agree that in no way whatsoever did she let her preferences color her treatment of What's-his-name, the white guy our Chosen One has allowed to be his VP running mate.

Come on now. This is getting completely ridiculous.

Charles, hate to tell ya this. But it's passed the point of ridiculous at about the same time the Democraps held their convention coronation . It has now passed the point of ludicrous. The only question is when are they going to finish digging their way to China?

Q to Biden: "Right Hand of The Leader, is it true that The One's Divine Post-Racial Light has healed your wounds and taken away all sadness?"

Q to Palin: "Tell us how your racist Christian "god" commands you to murder helpless creatures for pleasure, and how that relates to your hatred for all life on this planet."

PBS is no a liberal arm of the media.Nope.Gone plain Communist

re: #23 runrabbitrun

If Governor Palin is asked truly ridiculous questions (For 100 points, what is the zip code for northeastern Helsinki?), does this mean that she will be able to call Ifell a racist?

I guess that might not be the best play politically, but I think she should then ask Gwen about the title of her new book.

Stuiec, o. k. if it isn't a conflict of interest, how about unethhical?

Saw this in the Amazon comments for her "book":

Caroline Kennedy is on the Board of Directors of the "Commission on Presidential Debates"! Talk about a Kennedy-style Fix! First Caroline Kennedy endorses Obama. Then she Co-chairs Obama's VP search committee, selecting...

Is this true? Are we the only sane people left? Why isn't there a shutdown of this crap - this is how their revolution is won - media, academia and entertainment in the tank for the communists. Fucking Clockwork Orange, except its in every nook and cranny of our mindspace ... a fucking Communist Matrix.

I am furious.

Palin should bring a copy of the book out and ask Gwen to sign it for her at the beginning of the debate...

...wouldn't that be sweet?

Let her moderate the damn debate. Just have her wear a dunce cap and a big red nose. Seriously. She should not get away with this.

Who else knew about this? They are messing with a Presidential election. And these are the people who want the fairness doctrine? What a joke. Ifill works for public TV, too. Tax payers pay part of her salary.

re: #54 Celtic Templar

Saw this in the Amazon comments for her "book":

a fucking Communist Matrix.

WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?!?!?!?!?

And naturally there is no contact information for the Commission on Presidential Debates (www.debates.org). There is no way for us to make our objections known to the commission. Guess they don't want to hear from the American unwashed, it would mess up their day.

After watching McCain and his silly smile the last few days , I am reminded over and over again why I hate this unctuous fool. My office has already told me they are sitting the election out. Shamnesty and stupid vacant smiles don't cut it.

The fix is in, indeed. As loath am I to say it, I'm afraid that come January this country will see its first Bolševik president inaugurated.

Here's what's going to really bug me. After the MSM manages to finally get their guy in through obfuscation and equivocation, they're going to semi-apologize, saying, in effect, maybe we did overdo it a bit, but, gee, no hard feelings.

I'm going keep reminding them as the Obama presidency turns to disaster that it was they who put him in power.

re: #28 TheMatrix31

No, you're right. But imagine how effective it would play if Palin brought up the book issue during the debate.

I think this is the way to play it.

re: #58 JohnSteele

And naturally there is no contact information for the Commission on Presidential Debates (www.debates.org). There is no way for us to make our objections known to the commission. Guess they don't want to hear from the American unwashed, it would mess up their day.

I HAVE AN EMAIL ADDY CONTACT.
my nic is blue email me and I will give it to you

re: #50 Pawn of the Oppressor

Q to Biden: "Right Hand of The Leader, is it true that The One's Divine Post-Racial Light has healed your wounds and taken away all sadness?"

Q to Palin: "Tell us how your racist Christian "god" commands you to murder helpless creatures for pleasure, and how that relates to your hatred for all life on this planet."

I think this was a Q/A on Palastinian TV...where is that big Bee Nasul? Or was this from North Korean state television?

She can have the first 45 minutes and Rush Limbaugh can have the last 45 minutes.

(highest ratings ever, MSM...)

/and fair is fair dammit.

re: #58 JohnSteele

And naturally there is no contact information for the Commission on Presidential Debates (www.debates.org). There is no way for us to make our objections known to the commission. Guess they don't want to hear from the American unwashed, it would mess up their day.

JB@DEBATES.ORG

Palin should open by congratulating Gwen on her "Pro-Obama" book deal. State up front that she knows the truth about the nature of the charade and all its implications.

These debate things are about showmanship. Biden is just a bit player and sideshow distraction in this debate. The debate is really Palin versus the Moderators.

re: #55 brainwizard73

Palin should bring a copy of the book out and ask Gwen to sign it for her at the beginning of the debate...

...wouldn't that be sweet?

_________________________________
B I N G O !

Socrates weeps.

The Natural bedrock standards of logic and rhetoric of the Academy in the arena of public debate have now been replaced by a preponderance of post enlightenment nihilistic social engineers and run of the mill Mau Maus.

If this isn't readily apparent, you are either uneducated in the truest classical sense, or a willing malefactor against It that Is.

re: #9 runrabbitrun

Where do Repub leaders get those tee-shirts with the logo on the back that says 'Kick Me'?

because the "Pussident" wears one
ever since about 10-11-2001 he lost his balls

that as about how long it took for the Nazicrats to stop acting bi-partisan and patriotic

and he sat there and took it
and took it
and took it

I demand fairness and impartiality for Gov. Palin , I demand Gwen Ifill be replaced with Bill Moyers at once!

/

The MSM, in cahoots with powerful forces behind the scenes (e.g. Soros) have pretty much taken control in the shaping of the outcome of this election. And no, this is not a conspiracy theory.

re: #40 Irene NYC

email sent

Getting ridiculous? Unless and until we have debates where Candidate A asks Candiate B a direct question and B has x amount of time to answer and then A has x amount of time to rebut, then Candidate B asks Candidate A a question, rinse and repeat, and where the moderator ONLY KEEPS TRACK OF TIME, then we'll NEVER have real damn debates for POTUS.
If it was good enough for Lincoln/Douglass it should be damn sure good enough for McCain/Obama and Palin/Biden.
Screw this debate format - let the candidates - ya know - debate each other on topics the candidates choose!

Phone Number for Commission

Much noise needs to be made of this.

Why on earth is this woman permitted to moderate a VP debate?

This is sheer insanity.

re: #59 pat

After watching McCain and his silly smile the last few days , I am reminded over and over again why I hate this unctuous fool. My office has already told me they are sitting the election out. Shamnesty and stupid vacant smiles don't cut it.

It's Pat! Is it a girl or a boy a troll or a fool?

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

No, she should just issue an ultimatum: if Ifell remains moderator, no debate. We'll catch flak for it, but nowhere near what we'll catch if Ifell get in a good Gotcha. We can't let this biased woman moderate this debate.

Screw that. Let Palin include in her very first answer to the very first question:

"By the way, Gwen, I note that you have a book coming out on Inauguration Day. If I'm not mistaken, it's called 'The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.' Given your article in Essence Magazine, 'At Home with the Obama Family,' I'm sure you are going to be working extra hard not to let your political favoritism affect the way in which you moderate this debate -- aren't you?"

I'm feeling a bit like the Liberty Tree needs watering, these days. This is crazy.

re: #59 pat

After watching McCain and his silly smile the last few days , I am reminded over and over again why I hate this unctuous fool. My office has already told me they are sitting the election out. Shamnesty and stupid vacant smiles don't cut it.

Pat,

Every election it seems like we have to chose between the moron on the right, and the idiot on the left. Sit it out if you want - but you completely forfeit your right to bitch about it afterwards. IMO.

re: #55 brainwizard73

Palin should bring a copy of the book out and ask Gwen to sign it for her at the beginning of the debate...

...wouldn't that be sweet?

That would be great. Unfortunately, the general public will view Palin as being a snappy, petty, bitch with an inferiority complex or something. Something ridiculous, as usual.

The title of Ifill’s book? “Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.”

Here's hoping the "Age of Obama" has as much relevance as "The Age of Dukakis" or "The Age of Kerry".

(The age being, oh, not much beyond that of a teenager.)

re: #64 RTLM

She can have the first 45 minutes and Rush Limbaugh can have the last 45 minutes.

(highest ratings ever, MSM...)

/and fair is fair dammit.

Hey, I would be willing to suffer (I can't believe I am saying this) 45 minutes of the MSNBC brownshirts asking questions if I could get Rush on with Obama for 45 minutes...

Brilliant, as usual.

I'll believe Gwen Ifill is impartial when she asks Biden,

"Senator Biden, am I clean and articulate enough for you?"

I won't be watching this debate. I like Palin, but expect her to be eaten alive, again.

re: #66 Syrah

Palin should open by congratulating Gwen on her "Pro-Obama" book deal. State up front that she knows the truth about the nature of the charade and all its implications.

These debate things are about showmanship. Biden is just a bit player and sideshow distraction in this debate. The debate is really Palin versus the Moderators.

well said, an upding for you dear poster
but will McCain let her do that.......

re: #62 Typicalwhitey
Hey Typicalwhitely - I posted this to you on the prior thread, just as most everyone came rushing over here, but it's worth reposting to you:
"Ah, don't know why you were down in the dumps Typicalwhitey - you actually took a stand - a semi-dangerous stand given where you live - to blow the whistle on the Obama Truth Goon Squads of DA's and Sheriff's down you way. That you got an acknowledgement from one paper is GREAT and I suspect your numerous letters will wind up provoking a much bigger response in the days ahead!
You actually did that which many say they'd "like to do" or "someone" should do, as long as that someone isn't them.
NEVER feel down because you stood up for what's right. NEVER. Other folks will just have to pick up the damn learning curve.
As I've told you in an e-mail, I'm damn proud of you, for what little that may be worth."

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

No, she should just issue an ultimatum: if Ifell remains moderator, no debate. We'll catch flak for it, but nowhere near what we'll catch if Ifell get in a good Gotcha. We can't let this biased woman moderate this debate.

I ask the same question as 'wishing' and 'intrepid', upthread: who in hell is responsible for choosing these moderators, and more importantly, why do Repub campaigns agree to be sandbagged by partisan hacks, time and time again?

re: #82 brainwizard73

Hey, I would be willing to suffer (I can't believe I am saying this) 45 minutes of the MSNBC brownshirts asking questions if I could get Rush on with Obama for 45 minutes...

Brilliant, as usual.

Highest ratings for the last 45 minutes anyway

re: #68 Ackomanyuki

Hey, nice post!

re: #66 Syrah

You don't understand. McCain and Palin have decided they are above the fray. Like religious pacifists that pray for rapists of their daughters. These doddering fools must go. They are not ready.

Well, its on Drudge now. My bet is that she will be replaced by tomorrow morning (with someone else who's in the tank for Barry... just someone who hasn't written a book about him).

re: #67 right_on_target

_________________________________
B I N G O !

"Gwen, before we start, I just wanted to get your autograph...more people know who you are than know who I am...even though you are on PBS..."

Pat I'm sorry to say I to am not happy with McCain. I was a Rudy backer and Thompson. That being said I will swallow my pride and unhappiness and crawl if I have to to vote for McCain.The alternative is too horrific to think about.

re: #53 nigella

Stuiec, o. k. if it isn't a conflict of interest, how about unethhical?

Hmmm... ethics and journalism. Not seeing the connection.

Certainly, of course, one might assume that the Commission on Presidential Debates has a vested interest in a fair and impartial debate. But I am not sure that assumption is warranted.

re: #83 zombie

I'll believe Gwen Ifill is impartial when she asks Biden,

"Senator Biden, am I clean and articulate enough for you?"

ewww
that hurts

/good point though
upding sent !

re: #64 RTLM

She can have the first 45 minutes and Rush Limbaugh can have the last 45 minutes.

(highest ratings ever, MSM...)

/and fair is fair dammit.

I can't wait to hear Rush's take on this today.

re: #77 stuiec

Screw that. Let Palin include in her very first answer to the very first question:

"By the way, Gwen, I note that you have a book coming out on Inauguration Day. If I'm not mistaken, it's called 'The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.' Given your article in Essence Magazine, 'At Home with the Obama Family,' I'm sure you are going to be working extra hard not to let your political favoritism affect the way in which you moderate this debate -- aren't you?"

Spot on!

re: #86 realwest

Thanks real.
Actually I was down because of the polls and then for no reason McCain gained 2 in the gallup polls and I said I am just not going to pay attention to those damn polls again!

Thanks for your kind words

re: #93 nigella

Pat I'm sorry to say I to am not happy with McCain. I was a Rudy backer and Thompson. That being said I will swallow my pride and unhappiness and crawl if I have to to vote for McCain.The alternative is too horrific to think about.

Fuck - you'd have to dismember me Black Knight style to get me NOT to vote for McCain. This is bullshit, complete utter bullshit.

re: #2 Celtic Templar

Man, this is rigged.

/not sure we can steal it this time

The modern debate moderator technique goes something like this

a) first posit a lie as the truth
b) compel the candidate to then accept and explain the lie

Thanks for the contact info. I have emailed Ms Brown objecting in the strongest possible terms. Unless they replace this obvously biased choce it might be reasonable to conclude that the commission itself is biased.

re: #79 Racer X

Pat,

Every election it seems like we have to chose between the moron on the right, and the idiot on the left. Sit it out if you want - but you completely forfeit your right to bitch about it afterwards. IMO.

That, unfortunately, is not an option for me.

re: #59 pat

Well, at least ya got an upding from your unhinged pal EIDE. WTG.

re: #81 solomonpanting

The title of Ifill’s book? “Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.”

Here's hoping the "Age of Obama" has as much relevance as "The Age of Dukakis" or "The Age of Kerry".

(The age being, oh, not much beyond that of a teenager.)

_________________________________
AGE of OBAMA?
Is that during the first or second kingdom? Before or after the Great Pyramid? Or the Long March?

re: #80 TheMatrix31

That would be great. Unfortunately, the general public will view Palin as being a snappy, petty, bitch with an inferiority complex or something. Something ridiculous, as usual.

What's wrong with that? I like that in a woman.

//

re: #80 TheMatrix31

My friend, the "public" (it will be reported) will view her that way no matter what she does because the media will spin it that way...either that or they will superimpose some flames behind her and horns on her head during the debate...MSNBC still trying to figure out if the horns are too over the top.

Agree of course with you, but an off-hand reference like "hey, it isn't like I wrote a book about how great Senator Obama is...but I do think he has a point on this issue..." might be a good idea.

re: #46 Racer X

The fix is absolutely in now!

Watch for Biden to develop some serious medical condition by Monday, and Hillary will jump right in to save the democraps.

I will bet anyone here a beer on it.

(good beer - none of that watered down rice brewed crap.)

The debate is in less than 48 hours.

re: #82 brainwizard73

Hey, I would be willing to suffer (I can't believe I am saying this) 45 minutes of the MSNBC brownshirts asking questions if I could get Rush on with Obama for 45 minutes....

I would pay real cash money to watch that on TV. I would give almost anything - ANYTHING - to see somebody sit that slipperly little Marxist bastard down with no teleprompter, no handlers, no consultants, no favorable camera angles, no backlit halo stages - NOTHING - and nail him with all the hard questions he refuses to answer. Videotape that shit in high-def and post the whole entire thing, unedited.

Rezko, Ayers, Alinsky, that woman who ran the collapsed bank, Fannie Mae, ACORN, the lot of it, just hit him like the freaking Normandy landings one after the other with no letup.

"YES OR NO?"

/Couric.

Oh, and for you doom and gloomers who think Obama will have sleepovers in the white house sometime in 2009 - suck on this.

AOL poll:
McCain - 61%
Obama - 39%

Total straw poll votes - 355,659.

Fuck, Eide. What does it take McCain to get mad? Is he on drugs?

re: #102 JohnSteele

Thanks for the contact info. I have emailed Ms Brown objecting in the strongest possible terms. Unless they replace this obvously biased choce it might be reasonable to conclude that the commission itself is biased.

Do you think they care?

re: #90 pat

You don't understand. McCain and Palin have decided they are above the fray. Like religious pacifists that pray for rapists of their daughters. These doddering fools must go. They are not ready.

Just STFU and STFD down, Patrick.

Screw that. Let Palin include in her very first answer to the very first question:

"By the way, Gwen, I note that you have a book coming out on Inauguration Day. If I'm not mistaken, it's called 'The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.' Given your article in Essence Magazine, 'At Home with the Obama Family,' I'm sure you are going to be working extra hard not to let your political favoritism affect the way in which you moderate this debate -- aren't you?"

No, that's not good enough. It's asking her if she's fair. Of course Ifill will answer that she's fair, because to her, liberals are always fair.

Palin should flat out call her biased from the beginning. Palin should just call her out, call out the entire charade. And she can link it to the MSM in general trying to destroy her. Tie it to the arrogance of Charles Gibson, Katie Couric, and others.

re: #81 solomonpanting

Stone Age
Bronze Age
Iron Age
Reagan Age
Obama Age
"the Restoration"
Peace, freedom and lots of economic growth Age.

Right?

re: #110 Racer X

Oh, and for you doom and gloomers who think Obama will have sleepovers in the white house sometime in 2009 - suck on this.

AOL poll:
McCain - 61%
Obama - 39%

Total straw poll votes - 355,659.

Wow. And these polls usually are infested with communists.

There are currently 54 angry threads on the Amazon page for Ms. Ifill's book.

This one caught my eye:

As of 12:37 pm EST, the Commission on Presidential Debates voicemail box is full.

re: #90 pat

You don't understand. McCain and Palin have decided they are above the fray. Like religious pacifists that pray for rapists of their daughters. These doddering fools must go. They are not ready.

Jeebus Pat, what have you been smokin?

re: #113 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Fuck off

re: #111 pat

Fuck, Eide. What does it take McCain to get mad? Is he on drugs?

he was tortured for 5 plus years and didn't get lost in anger..indeed, it coukd be argued that he grew enormous balls because of it...

The reason McCain can not show anger is because for the last year the left kept bringing up his anger, then they push him to the brink so he will blow, then they say we told you so.... WIN
..or

He keeps a lid on his temper and lets them get away with every lie and slanderous statement they make.... WIN

re: #105 right_on_target

_________________________________
AGE of OBAMA?
Is that during the first or second kingdom? Before or after the Great Pyramid? Or the Long March?

The Age of Stupidity

Maybe McCain only gets mad at Republicans?

re: #103 pat

That, unfortunately, is not an option for me.

What? What in the hell does that mean?

re: #119 pat

Fuck off

Wow, I just cannot debate such a thought provoking and thoroughly parsed out and sourced post such as this one.

Bravo pat!

honestly, I would include the book in every answer

Gov Palin, how would you handle the Bush-induced banking crisis ?

well Gwen, your candidate and friend, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, who you are writing a book about, had the best synopsis of my feelings on the crisis and perhaps you quoted him and me in your book

we both believe Congress needs to come together in a bipartisan way to solve the crisis

now, what page in your book about Obama is that on ?
I know I read it somewhere in my studying for this debate

re: #84 Jimmah

I won't be watching this debate. I like Palin, but expect her to be eaten alive, again.

Why don't you just sit out life, then? What's the point in even being here?

Nice nick you have, moron.

re: #120 joecitizen

he was tortured for 5 plus years and didn't get lost in anger..indeed, it coukd be argued that he grew enormous balls because of it...

I find it pretty amazing that anybody could asy that John McCain doesn't have any balls.

after all he went through and how he handled it

just amazing

re: #124 x-wing

What? What in the hell does that mean?

either he is not a citizen or he's trying to impress us with how 'pure' he is..spit...

re: #85 Adrenalyn

well said, an upding for you dear poster
but will McCain let her do that.......

Palin does not need McCain's permission.

Her history does not read like she waits to be given permission.

re: #114 Sydney Carton

No, that's not good enough. It's asking her if she's fair. Of course Ifill will answer that she's fair, because to her, liberals are always fair.

Palin should flat out call her biased from the beginning. Palin should just call her out, call out the entire charade. And she can link it to the MSM in general trying to destroy her. Tie it to the arrogance of Charles Gibson, Katie Couric, and others.

WHY THE HELL NOT. If I were Palin, I'd fake it until standing on the stage. I would come out with the Amazon print out of her book. I would go through a littany of how the MSM is in the tank. Fuck it - when you can't win by their rules, win by your own rules.

McCain has done some crazy shit so far, bring the crazy at the VP debate.

And then Palin says that being ambushed by Obama supporters is beneath her pay grade.

re: #108 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The debate is in less than 48 hours.

I'm well aware of that. The internet rumor is that Biden will develop his condition sometime after the debate Thursday night.

re: #132 Racer X

I'm well aware of that. The internet rumor is that Biden will develop his condition sometime after the debate Thursday night.

Plug rot?

And you can't leave a voice message, their voice mailbox is full.

I guess they are getting an earfull Ifill

re: #133 Shug

Plug rot?

hairball........

re: #121 Tarkus289

He keeps a lid on his temper and lets them get away with every lie and slanderous statement they make.... WIN

That's good on paper, but the dilemma is that a huge hunk of the American electorate has swallowed those lies, hook, line and sinker.

re: #120 joecitizen

he was tortured for 5 plus years and didn't get lost in anger..indeed, it coukd be argued that he grew enormous balls because of it...

My guess is that he did get lost in anger for a time, at least from a mental viewpoint.
The 5 years he spent as a captive basically "in solitary" allowed him to grow out of that and grow bigger than me for sure, and probably most of us on this forum.
You either do that, die, or come back a lunatic.

No offense to anybody there.

re: #111 pat

Fuck, Eide. What does it take McCain to get mad? Is he on drugs?

He's running on the Reagan model of Big Mr. Friendly. He doesn't seem to understand how unified the media efforts against him are, and how fast they respond to his every move. Look at the gyrations they went through just to Fix & Destroy Palin. They must have thrown thirty different things at her in less than 72 hours to see what would stick.

Somebody needs to get his ear and tell him that he should be thinking of the opposition as North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gunners. I'm not trying to be a jerk there, it's something he would understand. He needs to realize that he's an enemy alone in a hostile sky, against everybody ranging from teenagers with AKs to Soviet-trained professionals operating the latest and greatest missile systems, and he has to keep maneuvering, and play Wild Weasel against their Integrated Left-Wing Media Defense System to stay alive.

re: #132 Racer X

I'm well aware of that. The internet rumor is that Biden will develop his condition sometime after the debate Thursday night.

Maybe he'll stroke out at the podium.

So is anyone going to tell me that AOL poll is fixed?

re: #126 Adrenalyn

honestly, I would include the book in every answer

Gov Palin, how would you handle the Bush-induced banking crisis ?

well Gwen, your candidate and friend, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, who you are writing a book about, had the best synopsis of my feelings on the crisis and perhaps you quoted him and me in your book

we both believe Congress needs to come together in a bipartisan way to solve the crisis

now, what page in your book about Obama is that on ?
I know I read it somewhere in my studying for this debate

Most excellent.

Seriously, the McCain camp needs to do stuff EXACTLY like that. They'd win easily.

Just freakin' lay it on the line. Incendiary.

re: #34 kynna

Is it possible that enough focus could get her replaced? I don't think so. I think that might be considered racist.

All the more reason to say a prayer that Saracuda knocks it out of the park.

Listen up lizards: In this case, all Palin really needs is one hellova terrific debate coach.

If Sarah learns how to handle her role Thursday night properly, she will simply ignore the loaded questions, bypass the accusations intended to get her unnerved and playing defense, and just go straight ahead and make a speech as good as the one she gave at the RNC convention, even if she has to give it in soundbites of two minutes each.

re: #135 Typicalwhitey

hairball........

isn't that on MSNBC?

re: #133 Shug

Plug rot?

LOL! That's why he makes so many gaffes.

Night folks. See (some of) you in the morning.

re: #139 RTLM

Maybe he'll stroke out at the podium.

Hell, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he coughed a few times heavily, just to plant the seeds.

re: #136 Cartman

I know, it is a Win Win for them, it always is..

re: #140 Racer X

So is anyone going to tell me that AOL poll is fixed?

No. The Communist Poll Alarm failed to ring (must be an off quota thing). They usually come running.

re: #66 Syrah
Excellent post and idea.

Palin should open by congratulating Gwen on her "Pro-Obama" book deal. State up front that she knows the truth about the nature of the charade and all its implications.

I'd only add to that that Palin should congratulate Gwen on her new book “Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.”

Palin should definitely have a book rejoinder prepared in case the mod trys an obviously ridiculous gotcha question.

re: #140 Racer X

So is anyone going to tell me that AOL poll is fixed?

Of course it's fixed.
Feel better now?

I have no idea why it might be fixed. I just wanted to make you feel better.

Since when did conservatives start hanging out at AOL?

re: #84 Jimmah

She could get beat, she could win...remember she is up against a guy that has every tendancy to melt down.

I think Vegas is setting the over/under for "Biden Embarrassing Gaffes" at 3.5. (Hint: Take the over)

I think the over/under on "Biden Condesending Remarks" is now at 6.5. Safest money in the world (other than at AIG, Fannie and Freddie now that we all own them) is to take the OVER.

I could retire on this stuff...

...until Obama taxes me into a cardboard box drinking Nighttrain and lighting my own gas on fire for warmth...or, wait, is that life under "single payer"?

re: #144 newsjunkie_ky

LOL! That's why he makes so many gaffes.

Yep. they used a number 5 plug augor when they only needed a number 2.

some of em went so deep they came out as chest hair

re: #125 Typicalwhitey

Wow, I just cannot debate such a thought provoking and thoroughly parsed out and sourced post such as this one.

Bravo pat!

He must have went to the Ron White school of debating. :>}

re: #139 RTLM

Maybe he'll stroke out at the podium.

Too dramatic, and he is not that good of an actor.

I honestly hope he is OK and this is not a real illness. Especially since it has been planned since the day McCain announced Palin as his VP.

re: #119 pat

Fuck off

It's not like you didn't ask for it, fool.

re: #130 Syrah

Palin does not need McCain's permission.

Her history does not read like she waits to be given permission.

I would most respectfully disagree. It is her job to help get him elected, and not vice-versa.

It would sure be interesting to see Christopher Hitchens as a debate moderator for all the debates.

re: #77 stuiec

Stuiec - my apologies - I hadn't read your comment when I made my comment #149. Great idea!

re: #153 Shug

Yep. they used a number 5 plug augor when they only needed a number 2.

some of em went so deep they came out as chest hair

And where will you be performing this weekend? You have cheered me up tonight. I thank you.

re: #151 jwb7605

Of course it's fixed.
Feel better now?

I have no idea why it might be fixed. I just wanted to make you feel better.

Since when did conservatives start hanging out at AOL?

Bingo!

And thanks for wanting to make me feel better!

LOL!

re: #112 Wishing

Do you think they care?

No, but I do

re: #127 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Why don't you just sit out life, then? What's the point in even being here?

Nice nick you have, moron.

I am not opting out of life just because I'm disappointed with the ease with which Palin has been taken apart by one interviewer after another, and have no appetite to watch a repeat performance!

You are the moron.

re: #158 Mr. Pulpo

Or Mark Steyn.

It looks like the Democrats are pulling out all the stops and calling in every favor they have for this election.

So what happens if they lose this one anyway?

What this guarantees is that there will be no push to get at the truth of the Sen. Obama side. Nothing will be touched or revealed that will upset the Sen. Obama applecart.

The MSM is no longer the same, it needs to be pushed like a negative opponent. A 527 needs to publicize and layout the media bias and just who can be trusted to be impartial.

McCain on the view was subjected to negative body language for the benefit of their viewers. A lot of this Obamabot effort is to scam the McCain campaign by associating passive negatives with any public image.

A peace sign for Obama becomes rabbit ears for McCain while telling his campaign advisers they just didn't move their hand out of the way fast enough.

re: #129 joecitizen

either he is not a citizen or he's trying to impress us with how 'pure' he is..spit...

Maybe a felon not residing in Florida?

re: #114 Sydney Carton

No, that's not good enough. It's asking her if she's fair. Of course Ifill will answer that she's fair, because to her, liberals are always fair.

Palin should flat out call her biased from the beginning. Palin should just call her out, call out the entire charade. And she can link it to the MSM in general trying to destroy her. Tie it to the arrogance of Charles Gibson, Katie Couric, and others.

In the situation she faces, Palin's best bet is to announce to the viewers at home that Gwen Ifill has a vast conflict of interest and is totally in the tank for Obama. Nothing will make Ifill fair, but if she knows that Palin is on to her and hears Palin tell the entire viewing audience that she's on to her, she will be forced either to pretend to be fair -- or to drop all pretense and show the world how biased she is.

re: #55 brainwizard73

Palin should bring a copy of the book out and ask Gwen to sign it for her at the beginning of the debate...

...wouldn't that be sweet?

That sounds like some McCain shit to do. Dang, I hope she mentions it. "Can I get a preview copy of that book? What's it called?"

re: #160 newsjunkie_ky

And where will you be performing this weekend? You have cheered me up tonight. I thank you.

just returning the favor

re: #140 Racer X

So is anyone going to tell me that AOL poll is fixed?

No, but how does it work? They are easy to fix. No?

re: #119 pat

no, YOU fuck off, you miserable old fart!

Ifill will be to Biden as training wheels are to a bicycle.

re: #158 Mr. Pulpo

It would sure be interesting to see Christopher Hitchens as a debate moderator for all the debates.

A few other options?

Lewis Black
Penn Gillette
Dennis Miller
A lit up Bob Costas?

re: #158 Mr. Pulpo

It would sure be interesting to see Christopher Hitchens as a debate moderator for all the debates.

after a two hour open bar

re: #150 Omni

Palin should definitely have a book rejoinder prepared in case the mod trys an obviously ridiculous gotcha question.

No need to wait. This debate was designed as an ambush from the get-go.

Palin should come out "a guns a blazing" rhetorically speaking. Nothing to lose by playing to win.

re: #152 brainwizard73

True, with a bit of luck Biden could eclipse whatever gaffes she is forced into.

sorry, i lost my kewl...

re: #158 Mr. Pulpo

It would sure be interesting to see Christopher Hitchens as a debate moderator for all the debates.

"Now the next question is one any fool with a third-rate education should be able to answer, but since you are all such terrible, disappointing people, I place my expectations at the level of a pile of whale shit in the Marianas trench.... Oh don't look so f-cking angry, Joe... Sit down and shut up while I ask you this question..."

We're gonna change the world
Obama's gonna lead 'em
Yes we can can can can

re: #163 Jimmah

I am not opting out of life just because I'm disappointed with the ease with which Palin has been taken apart by one interviewer after another, and have no appetite to watch a repeat performance!

You are the moron.

You already have opted out, you just can't admit it to yourself yet.

re: #173 solomonpanting

Rusty, squeaky and something to take off before you want to look cool?

re: #165 RememberSekhmet?

It looks like the Democrats are pulling out all the stops and calling in every favor they have for this election.

So what happens if they lose this one anyway?

arm yerself if ya go anywhere near the inner city is my guess...

re: #171 kahall

No, but how does it work? They are easy to fix. No?

If that was the case - wouldn't the fix go the other way?

re: #110 Racer X

Oh, and for you doom and gloomers who think Obama will have sleepovers in the white house sometime in 2009 - suck on this.

AOL poll:
McCain - 61%
Obama - 39%

Total straw poll votes - 355,659.

Internet polls are notoriously inaccurate. The strange thing here is that its usually the lefty nutroot that stack these things yet McCain is way, way out in front in every state --- can't be right
.

re: #172 Wishing

I am not old.

stand up Gwen, let em see ya !

how is ifill pronounced?

re: #186 pat

coulda fooled me

re: #182 brainwizard73

Rusty, squeaky and something to take off before you want to look cool?

Something to prevent a fall.

Here's my very rude letter.

Dear Ms. Brown,

The Drudge Report has broken the story tonight that Gwen Ifill, moderator of the vice-presidential debate on October 2, is publishing a book entitled The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama the day after the election.

I do not understand how this person was chosen to be moderator when she has a financial interest in the outcome of the election.

Either she knowingly kept this information from your organization, in which case she should be replaced immediately due to conflict of interest, or your organization knew about this before pronouncing her moderate and found nothing troubling about it.

So, who is corrupt here? Gwen or the organization that you serve?

Your organization is supposed to be serving the good of the American people. You need to deal with this matter immediately by dismissing Gwen Ifill.

And I shouldn't have to be writing you to tell you that.

Grow up and act like a responsible adult already.

You too can write one. Address it to jb@debates.org

Going to bed now....Been up 24 hours waiting for my grandson to be born.It was worth every minute. Really puts in perspective what is important. What is important to me for my family is that Obama needs to be defeated. Keep up the good fight all of you. God Bless.

Not sure when i first came here,couple of months back i think,,maybe more.For a long time never said nothing,or i guess i should say wrote anything.I just read.Did it along time.Lots of debates,some of which i could take either side on.But all sane and responsible.Last couple of weeks i have noticed alot of strange post.
Here my thoughts on Pat,Eide,and a few others. I think they have been sent in as disrupter's.Ill will mongers.Best thing to do,is ignor them.They will soon get bored and go away.

re: #170 Shug

just returning the favor

favor?

re: #186 pat

I am not old.

We can tell.
Hey I think your mama is calling, time to change your knickers.

grumpy, Intrepid and racer, I went back and did a mea culpa on the math on the other thread. Long day. What was I thinking?/slapping myself.

re: #188 Typicalwhitey

how is ifill pronounced?

Like a variation of offal.

re: #194 newsjunkie_ky

favor?

yep. you always make me smile

re: #184 Racer X

If that was the case - wouldn't the fix go the other way?

Usually. Should I be giddy then? A little tingly? It does seem strange.
I have noticed that the digg monkeys have taken over the Buzz up thing from yahoo that LGF has here as well.

re: #192 nigella

Going to bed now....Been up 24 hours waiting for my grandson to be born.It was worth every minute. Really puts in perspective what is important. What is important to me for my family is that Obama needs to be defeated. Keep up the good fight all of you. God Bless.

Congratulations, nigella! And roger that, the good fight.

re: #159 realwest

No apologies necessary - several commenters here came up with the same idea at the same time.

re: #174 brainwizard73

I like your alternate choices for moderator, with the exception of Costas. His vehicle went way left-of-center a long time ago.

"Governor Palin, since Alaska is so white, why should African-Americans like me trust someone like you to look out for them?"

"Senator Biden, can you possibly relate to the audience here and at home just how awesome and humbling it is to get to campaign with an real American hero adored by millions around the world like Barack Obama?"

re: #185 JohnSteele

Internet polls are notoriously inaccurate. The strange thing here is that its usually the lefty nutroot that stack these things yet McCain is way, way out in front in every state --- can't be right
.

I cannot imagine there was a concerted effort on the left to falsely rig the AOL poll to show McCain blowing Obama away. I doubt conservatives would rig the poll either - with work and all.

Blatant.

Unprofessional.

Without integrity.

All that's needed now to codify liberal media bias as the law of the land is The Fairness Doctrine.

Double-plus ungood.

cheer up!

re: #185 JohnSteele
Somebody said this same poll was right on the money in '04.

re: #168 stuiec

In the situation she faces, Palin's best bet is to announce to the viewers at home that Gwen Ifill has a vast conflict of interest and is totally in the tank for Obama. Nothing will make Ifill fair, but if she knows that Palin is on to her and hears Palin tell the entire viewing audience that she's on to her, she will be forced either to pretend to be fair -- or to drop all pretense and show the world how biased she is.

you know the Democrats are wondering which way we are going to fall for this bait: the next day, would we rather they call our team losers or whiners? We respond, they decide.

If there's a plus, it's that if they know about her bias, they can make allowances for it.

If they're really feeling yeasty, they can outline and highlight her biases.

God willing, they can even minimize, trivialize and destroy her biases.

Praemonitus, praemunitus.

(as Captain Blood would say, forewarned, forearmed.)

:)

re: #196 merrytexas

grumpy, Intrepid and racer, I went back and did a mea culpa on the math on the other thread. Long day. What was I thinking?/slapping myself.

People get sucked in all the time on the multiplication of big numbers. Don't lose sleep over it. You were just reporting what people who should know better than not check their facts were saying.

Sleep tight, and don't let the bedbugs bite!

Sarah should definitely bring it up!

I'm pretty sure Gwen Ifill doesn't have enough personal integrity to step down.

Sarah Palin: "Gwen Ifill, I knew Edward R. Murrow; I served with Edward R. Murrow; and you are no Edward R. Murrow."

re: #138 Pawn of the Oppressor With all respect, to you and to Pat, someone ought to tell McCain to shut up with the biparisan bullshit - the Dem's dont' want bipartisanship, they[Link: www.imeem.com...]
And he has to want it more than do they.

re: #206 Killer Tomato

cheer up!

Reminds me of Sat. night at grampa's.

re: #192 nigella

Congratulations!

In the situation she faces, Palin's best bet is to announce to the viewers at home that Gwen Ifill has a vast conflict of interest and is totally in the tank for Obama. Nothing will make Ifill fair, but if she knows that Palin is on to her and hears Palin tell the entire viewing audience that she's on to her, she will be forced either to pretend to be fair -- or to drop all pretense and show the world how biased she is.

Agreed. Palin should just lay it out in front of all of the viewers:

Fellow Americans, thank you for the opportunity to participate in this debate. Before we begin, I must make all of you aware of an unfortunate event. The moderator of this debate, Ms. Gwen Ifill, is selling a book that promotes our opponent, Barack Obama, as president and is actually entitled the "Age of Obama." The book is scheduled to come out on what she hopes is Barack Obama's presidential inauguration. I want all of you at home to know that despite the obvious financial conflict of interest of the moderator, I have appeared tonight in order to present my case to you. I also will not be bullied by biased journalists who write books in favor of my opponent and then pretend to be objective. Thank you.

re: #196 merrytexas

grumpy, Intrepid and racer, I went back and did a mea culpa on the math on the other thread. Long day. What was I thinking?/slapping myself.

It's all good.

:-)

re: #139 RTLM

Maybe he'll stroke out at the podium.

a la Kevin Kline towards the end of Dave

re: #198 Shug

Oh, Shug. You gonna make me cry now. Quick say something funny.

re: #204 Racer X

I cannot imagine there was a concerted effort on the left to falsely rig the AOL poll to show McCain blowing Obama away. I doubt conservatives would rig the poll either - with work and all.

That's what's so strange about it.

nite all.

To the MSM this is not conflict of interest.

There once was a mod name of Ifill
As a lib, well she knows the drill
Give a pass to ol' plugs
While beatin' up jugs
Cause she swallowed the Obama pill

re: #181 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You already have opted out, you just can't admit it to yourself yet.

I didn't come to here to get into aggro with the dumbest twit on the thread. It's late for me anyway. So long, asshole.

re: #202 Cartman

I like your alternate choices for moderator, with the exception of Costas. His vehicle went way left-of-center a long time ago.

That is why I made him "lit-up". Face it, a drunken dwarf that could gloss over the Chinese human rights story as well as he did would be funny as hell.

Not enlightening, but funny.

re: #204 Racer X

................. I doubt conservatives would rig the poll either - with work and all.

LOL!

re: #220 newsjunkie_ky

Oh, Shug. You gonna make me cry now. Quick say something funny.

moderators don't matter...how's that?

re: #220 newsjunkie_ky

Oh, Shug. You gonna make me cry now. Quick say something funny.

Did you hear the one about the guy with five penises?

His pants fit like a glove.

/Newbomb Turk

“Senator Biden, your brilliant suggestion for Iraq was to divide the country into three parts. That would have guaranteed endless war and endless death in Iraq for a century. Your judgment was wrong, and all your foreign policy experience didn’t help that much, did it?”

re: #174 brainwizard73

A few other options?

Lewis Black
Penn Gillette
Dennis Miller
A lit up Bob Costas?

That might be funny and actually informative. I'd cast Black and Miller as moderators. I'd love to see the the questions they'd ask. A highlight would be Black asking McCain whether Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright is the root of all evil.

re: #180 cliffster

We're gonna change the world
Obama's gonna lead 'em
Yes we can can can can

You forgot the rest of the verses:

The sun on the meadow is summery warm
The stag in the forest runs free
But gathered together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me

The branch on the linden is leafy and green
The Rhine gives its gold to the sea (Gold to the sea)
But somewhere a glory awaits unseen
Tomorrow belongs to me

Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me
Tomorrow belongs to me

re: #207 newsjunkie_ky

Somebody said this same poll was right on the money in '04.

It would be a joy if this were the case but I remain sceptical --- the elfties are usually all over these Internet polls and there is no way they's stack it like this :-)

re: #64 RTLM

She can have the first 45 minutes and Rush Limbaugh can have the last 45 minutes.

(highest ratings ever, MSM...)

/and fair is fair dammit.

Fair is fair. Strangely, that would be fair.

Typicalwhitey.

Ifill is pronounced like that big tower in France.

re: #40 Irene NYC

From the comments at Amazon:

Okay, Lizards, here's all the info. Let's stop whining and hop to it!
;)

I'm Canadian and I left a message asking if anyone was going to say anything about the mod writing a pro-Obama book.

re: #236 Badge of Kaffir Pride
It's so nice to have friendly, helpful neighbors!
;)

re: #228 joecitizen

moderators don't matter...how's that?

For what it is worth. I think we should email this to everyone. Let America know what the situation is going in to the debate. Sarah should not say anything about this. We should.

re: #212 thebronze

I'm pretty sure Gwen Ifill doesn't have enough personal integrity to step down.

You know that is really the issue here. A good journalist would want to avoid the mere appearance of a conflict of interest...never mind a real conflict. The fact that Gwen is more interested in selling her book than maintaining the appearance of objectivity (what there can be of it) really tells you all you need to know about her.

If I were Gwen, I would not accept the job...but then, she isn't in this for a real debate...right Governor "you handle snakes while gutting your moose" Palin?

re: #217 Sydney Carton

Agreed. Palin should just lay it out in front of all of the viewers:

Fellow Americans, thank you for the opportunity to participate in this debate. Before we begin, I must make all of you aware of an unfortunate event. The moderator of this debate, Ms. Gwen Ifill, is selling a book that promotes our opponent, Barack Obama, as president and is actually entitled the "Age of Obama." The book is scheduled to come out on what she hopes is Barack Obama's presidential inauguration. I want all of you at home to know that despite the obvious financial conflict of interest of the moderator, I have appeared tonight in order to present my case to you. I also will not be bullied by biased journalists who write books in favor of my opponent and then pretend to be objective. Thank you.

That would definitely send tingles down my legs.

re: #229 Shug

Did you hear the one about the guy with five penises?

His pants fit like a glove.

/Newbomb Turk

I'm not 'touching' that one.

If anyone ever goes to angryjournalist.com they can read a lot of comments from anonymous journalists who vent their frustrations. Here is one that I find is spot on.
Italics are mine.

I, not with my desire, but with the Grace of God was given a “BUY-OUT” effective 12/31/06. I spent my entire life with and around newspaper people. I have “ink” flowing through my veins. My dad was an “Eclipse” award winning sports columist. His counsel to me as a teen was to enter the newspaper business but not in his department, due to the potential of unjust peer pressure. I worked my way up from advertising copy boy to advertising rep. I enjoyed a very rewarding and successful 36 year advertising career. What is happening to our profession to me, is like watching a relative die. I don’t believe in the game blame. The main reason this is taking place is the internet, satellite, and cable television. There is a boat load of information generating options, many of which are biased, innaccurate and or false. If newspapers go back to the basics- leaving their personal bias and agends at the door, many will survive. With all of the above in mind - at this date I would suggest that you pursue a secondary career path. I wish you all the best. Ad Man.

re: #238 newsjunkie_ky

For what it is worth. I think we should email this to everyone. Let America know what the situation is going in to the debate. Sarah should not say anything about this. We should.

I was going for the funny there..

re: #165 RememberSekhmet?

It looks like the Democrats are pulling out all the stops and calling in every favor they have for this election.

So what happens if they lose this one anyway?

They get Post-Obama Stress Disorder

re: #141 zombie

Most excellent.

Seriously, the McCain camp needs to do stuff EXACTLY like that. They'd win easily.

Just freakin' lay it on the line. Incendiary.

this is why American needs ME as "Secretary of Offense"
my nic tells the way my old chums viewed me and my actions

Sent my email to jb@debates.org;

Haven't we seen enough, or not seen anything as the case may be, to recognize that many in the news media are Obama supporters?
Even those who have managed to not express openly their desire for Obama to win are still showing (by way of attitude and the seriousness of the questions for Palin compared to the easy or non-existent questions for Obama and Biden) a degree of double standard that was only surmised to exist.
How's this; find a conservative media person (not a self-proclaimed one) to do the moderation?
To let this sort of blatant disregard for objectivity continue is a
disservice to your fellow citizens.

re: #196 merrytexas

grumpy, Intrepid and racer, I went back and did a mea culpa on the math on the other thread. Long day. What was I thinking?/slapping myself.

Heh - no worries. I sure would have enjoyed a cool mil in the bank, though.

I hate to see it, but there is a bunch of radical right-wingers posting some pretty wild crap over on the AOL poll comments.

re: #233 JohnSteele

It would be a joy if this were the case but I remain sceptical --- the elfties are usually all over these Internet polls and there is no way they's stack it like this :-)

I tried to vote and it kept asking me to type in the code. I must have not seen the code right because after 3 trys I quit.

re: #191 Irene NYC

Here's my very rude letter.

You too can write one. Address it to jb@debates.org

Mine was more terse.

I urge you to replace Gwen Ifill as moderator of the upcoming Vice Presidential debate. It is absurd to assume that she can or will put aside her documented bias toward the Obama campaign. Allowing her to remain as moderator will irreparably taint the debate, and cast grave doubts on the impartiality of the CPD itself.

re: #239 brainwizard73

You know that is really the issue here. A good journalist would want to avoid the mere appearance of a conflict of interest...never mind a real conflict. The fact that Gwen is more interested in selling her book than maintaining the appearance of objectivity (what there can be of it) really tells you all you need to know about her.

If I were Gwen, I would not accept the job...but then, she isn't in this for a real debate...right Governor "you handle snakes while gutting your moose" Palin?

I'll go one step further.
gwen feels she is an agent of change in the Obama army. A secret agent ( she is the only one who thinks it's a secret now though )
Hell, it is her duty to moderate this debate and frame it to make Palin look bad, all while appearing to be objective.
She is doing what she thinks is right for the universe

re: #217 Sydney Carton
Hey Sidney - good to "see" you again!
BTW, and with no disrespect intended at all, I think you should read #77 by stuiec. I think he's about got it perfect!

There was a mod name of Ifill
Who thought with the 'cuda she'd trifle
Trick her she tried
I'm sunk! she cried
Brought down by the trusty moose rifle

re: #236 Badge of Kaffir Pride

I'm Canadian and I left a message asking if anyone was going to say anything about the mod writing a pro-Obama book.

I hope you threatened the stoppage of all future back bacon exports to the U.S. unless she steps down. ;)

Racer x, can you really be sure they are radical right-wingers? Could they be plants?

re: #242 newsjunkie_ky

I'm not 'touching' that one.

You could at least give me a hand.

a round of applause, of course

/

re: #243 right_on_target

Well, the New York Sun went out of business yesterday. It was a wonderful, fact-based publication that put the NYTimes to shame.

It is not enough for a paper to be just factual. The citizens of the city need to support it.

Unfortunately, New Yorkers are just a bunch of parochial snobs who only want to hear their own opinions shouted back at them.

re: #224 Typicalwhitey

There once was a mod name of Ifill
As a lib, well she knows the drill
Give a pass to ol' plugs
While beatin' up jugs
Cause she swallowed the Obama pill

Ahem... Jugs?

I imagine Gwen's book on the Golden Age of Obama is nothing more than an Ifill Tower of Babble.

re: #251 Opilio

Wonderful! Great letter.
;)