Yawner... doesn't matter except to those who live by the opinions of others...

I really fear the worst is yet to come.

These days, polls are like assholes, everyone has one.
and if you're a dem, you have one @ both ends of your body
which makes them even more plentiful

"Tortoise still nothing to worry about, announces Hare."

Has any reason been given regarding why Obama's surged so much?
What cross-section of people did they poll?
How many? Where?

Charles, the login keeps breaking anytime I close the window and come back here (front page). I haven't touch any settings locally... - Using Safari. 3.1.2

Ruh roh.

This seems to be the result of not only the financial mess, but of the debate last week. Tomorrow night's VP debate may cancel out the effect of the later, but the former will continue to work against McCain.

OT: Saw my favorite bumper sticker of the year this morning. It said
"Obama: half honkey, all donkey".

Dear Leader won't be satisfied until he has 99%.

The drive-by media and the pollsters are joined at the hip. 2004 exit-polls, anyone?

Good - Time for McCain and Palin to do what we are hiring them to do - knock around the Democrats in order to protect the best interests of the people - and God help our Soldiers in Afghanistan - we will go back to retreating from dangers and allow the danger to land on our shores.

McCain - Palin - it is do or die.

I'll start worrying about polls in the final week before the election.

Say it with me...

Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect

That would explain why I've generally seen more McCain or McCain/Palin signs than signs for Obamassieh around Harrisburg/surrounding suburbs/countryside etc...

The polls are from Quinnipiac University

Er... who?

Polls can be manipulated to show whatever data the pollster wants to show. I'll bet you that I could make a lifelong NRA member be pro-gun control with the right poll questions.

Until the actual election, I doubt any poll numbers.

/I took a class in this stuff in college. Amazingly easy to get the answers you want.

re: #13 cicero05

Say it with me...

Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect

Frankly, I don't want our side to win that way.

McCain should have come out against the bailout.

He was making smart moves until he got on the same side of the bailout as Bush (RINO) and the rest of the Dems.

Dumb.

Florida:
Obama - 51%
McCain - 43%

I don't believe it.

Ohio:
Obama - 50%
McCain - 42%

I don't believe it either.

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Frankly, I don't want our side to win that way.

pssst.. he doesn't means Bradley APCs...

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Frankly, I don't want our side to win that way.

If Dems live and die by identity politics, I prefer the latter, please.

Just received this via email:

Solidarity
There are three months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of "all" Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. It's time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.

In a Bi-Partisan effort for America:

If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day.

If you support Barack Obama, please drive with your headlights off at night.

Together, we can make it happen!

I think I shall pretend to serenity.

More, I think I shall braid my hair and get ready to get my butt kicked at practice for the first time in almost a month.

Oh, joy.

That will definitely take my mind off the polls.

re: #15 Occasional Reader

Er... who?

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute - Quinnipiac University

re: #18 Reno911

McCain should have come out against the bailout.

He was making smart moves until he got on the same side of the bailout as Bush (RINO) and the rest of the Dems. Dumb.

And McCain should have dumped all over Pelosi about her slam on the Repubs before the vote on Monday. But he didn't. IMHO he has been very low-keyed through most of the campaign, and I keep wondering when he is going to start acting presidential.

At the local city college there was an Obama/Biden group today that appeared to be registering voters. I was nearby for thirty minutes (around noon), and their table did not seem to get much, if any, interest from the students. It's anyone's guess as to why.

Apathy would be my first guess, though.

He's getting the economy bump. That's why I think the bailout didn't fly last week. Dems wanted Obama to get some mileage out of this. It boggles the mind since the Dems are primarily responsible for this fiasco. McCain should have been naming names by now.

Quinnipiac polls have been skewing left all year. That said, there can be little doubt that current instabilities have probably produced some sudden, unrealistic changes in the percentages. We need to get McCain out of the Capitol and back on the road for a little below-the-belt boxing. It's October. Time to use instability to our advantage.

[Link: blogs.courant.com...]

The polling was actually measuring two sets of data -- voter opinion before and after the first presidential debates.

Just a little context.

You know what they say about swingers...

Obama is promising the free candy and the folks believe it. It's tough to fight candy.

A New World Odor is almost upon us.

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

And McCain should have dumped all over Pelosi about her slam on the Repubs before the vote on Monday. But he didn't. IMHO he has been very low-keyed through most of the campaign, and I keep wondering when he is going to start acting presidential.

He is acting presidential.
Where as the messiah is not, nor is his running mate.
I too wish the gloves would come off, lord knows there is lots to work with. But the faxct remains that his age and the respect he has for the office seem to be keeing that from happening. Just a hunch, I could be dead wrong

we are so screwed. Dem. president and Dem. congress

More C-Span...

Senate Republicans sound just like House Democrats.

re: #30 Sol Roth

I don't get invited to their parties 'cuz I'm not married?
/is that what they say?

re: #32 Cicero05

A New World Odor is almost upon us.

Ooooh, that smell.
that smell of death around you.

re: #34 rhythman

we are so screwed. Dem. president and Dem. congress

We'll see how it plays out, but I don't think it's over yet.

5 weeks is forever in politics.

re: #24 Charles

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute - Quinnipiac University

Interesting. It's a small school in Connecticut.

Here's their mission statement.

Judging from the undergrad majors, it seems to be a liberal arts school.

re: #24 Charles

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute - Quinnipiac University

Okay. It just sounded like a university name made up by H.P. Lovecraft. (Their football archrival is Miskatonic University's "Fighting Azathoths": Go 'Thoths!)

Polls favoring Obummer could prove to be to our advantage in that it might induce complacency among the Dems and suppress voter turnout.

re: #38 DeafDog

We'll see how it plays out, but I don't think it's over yet.

It's not over 'til the fat lady sings.

re: #27 ciaospirit

The McCain campaign had better start pounding the message that the CRA set up the present economic situation, and Dem members subsequently beat up on the regulators trying to rein in Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Everyone with internet or watching Fox news has seen the evidence, but that doesn't cover those who don't want to look.

re: #16 Honorary Yooper

Polls can be manipulated to show whatever data the pollster wants to show. I'll bet you that I could make a lifelong NRA member be pro-gun control with the right poll questions.

Until the actual election, I doubt any poll numbers.

/I took a class in this stuff in college. Amazingly easy to get the answers you want.

That's the spirit!

No, there's nothing to look at here.

The polls are within the MOE, so disregard them.

Now that the trends show Obama with an even bigger lead, all of the polls, and polls in general are not to be trusted.

Right.

At some point and time mere boosterism and preference have to give way to the notion that the McCain/Palin ticket is in trouble.

As I wrote before, McCain needsto win FL, PA, VA, OH, IN, MO, NV, ALL OF THEM if he is going to win the race.

Nope. Everything's fine! We got 'em right where we want them.

Me too, then.

Brilliant.

Here is PA, it's pretty bad. It seems that many people I encounter buy into the third GWB administration and that the republicans killed the economy all by themselves. Not to mention "How inexperienced Sarah Palin is and she'll be a heartbeat away from the oval office (with 72 yo McCain)" You can't talk to these people with logic and reason (generally speaking). The mindless mantra...hope and change.

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Okay. It just sounded like a university name made up by H.P. Lovecraft. (Their football archrival is Miskatonic University's "Fighting Azathoths": Go 'Thoths!)

Hence the nic..."Occasional Reader"

/joke

Student interviewers use a computer-assisted telephone interviewing system to collect data from statewide and national residents. For a typical public opinion survey, a randomly selected sample of about 1,000 registered voters age 18 and over is interviewed over five or six days. The polls are conducted at the Polling Institute on West Woods Road, close to the main campus.

Ain't skeered... 0bummer is going DOWN!

re: #39 Honorary Yooper

Yep, not one engineering major offered. I can't take that place seriously. :)

I was listening to Rush go ballistic on McCain today for letting the dems blame everything on Republicans. Hopefully the campaign heard and got the message.

That's what people want. The truth. And the only way to do it is through ads and through disabusing the journalists of their manufactured 'conventional wisdom' and McCain's the one who has to do that.

He needs to understand that a Barack Obama presidency could be a fatal blow to the US. And that he will go down in history with Ross Perot for having been a part of letting the 'bad guy' in the Oval Office. Clinton wasn't nearly as corrupt as Obama, but he was bad enough.

We can't survive it again.

I have a hard time believing the polls. They are many times weighted with the assumption that there are more Dems than Reps.

McCain is not an ideologue. He won't really work the other side over their ideas & schemes because it is not his political nature to do so. It is annoying that he is harder on his own party than on the opposition which is near lunacy in their daily pronouncements.

Great changers in American history had an ideology and they campaigned on it incessantly. McCain/Palin may be able to win this election, we won't know until it's too late.

re: #33 hoffmonster

He is acting presidential.
Where as the messiah is not, nor is his running mate.
I too wish the gloves would come off, lord knows there is lots to work with. But the faxct remains that his age and the respect he has for the office seem to be keeing that from happening. Just a hunch, I could be dead wrong

What does his age and respect for the office have to do with it. If he respects the office, he would be fighting like the old soldier he says he is. Respect for the office would be keeping Obama out of that seat, and showing the American public that why he should be filling that seat.

I'll be the first one to admit that this financial problem has been cause by both parties, but there's no way to spin that Carter started this, Clinton shined it up, and Democratic backed groups like Acorn took advantage of it. The Dems built the foundation, the Repubs did some of the interior decorating.

And McCain need to point this out, no holds barred, plain, clean and simple, otherwise, he's carrion for the trash heap of fail politicans, for sure.

I said it on the last thread: Volunteer for the McCain/Palin campaign! We have to counter Obama's minions. Even if you can only give a few hours. Go to the McCain website to find the HQ nearest you.

re: #44 metoothen

The only poll that counts is the one held on election day. All others are smoke and wind, no matter what the numbers show.

re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not over 'til the fat lady sings.

Hillary isn't running

re: #32 Cicero05

A New World Odor is almost upon us.

That's sooo 90's.

I still think McCain will beat the Mighty Empty Suit O

re: #41 neocon hippie

Polls favoring Obummer could prove to be to our advantage in that it might induce complacency among the Dems and suppress voter turnout.

Right.

We're down in the fourth quarter by two touchdowns so actually, we're at an advantage because the other side will become complacent and stop trying.

Instead of, you know, smell blood, and there being a feeding frenzy and all.

Sorry.

McCain/Palin had better get on message, and that message better resonate with voters, and they better find a way to disseminate that message despite the herculean efforts of the MSM to defeat them.

Time.is.running.out.

re: #13 cicero05

Say it with me...

Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect

whats a bradley effect?

I don't know about you guys, but I'm concentrating on getting congress back in 2010.

Do you realize how much damage a Pelosi congress will do with an Obama White House?

re: #43 jaunte

The McCain campaign had better start pounding the message that the CRA set up the present economic situation, and Dem members subsequently beat up on the regulators trying to rein in Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Everyone with internet or watching Fox news has seen the evidence, but that doesn't cover those who don't want to look.

The housing debacle plays right into the MCCain/Palin wheelhouse of reform -

Bambi and Biden both collected over $100k from Fannie/Freddie.

re: #55 DeafDog

I doubt she can sing, either.

re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans

Understood.

But at some point and time you have to start thinking and acting.

Hey, we're losing.

Let's try something else.

At this rate do you honestly think McCain/Palin are going to win?

Honestly?

If so, why?

Happy October Lizards

This is the month Hillary and Bill are going to pull something out of their hat.

Don't think for one minute that they will allow "O" to become Potus.

re: #60 DesertSage

I don't know about you guys, but I'm concentrating on getting congress back in 2010.

You've given up that easily on next month's election? Ranger up, soldier.

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't get invited to their parties 'cuz I'm not married?
/is that what they say?

Oh, something about being part confused, part amoral and many parts low IQ.

Anyone know how VA is polling?

re: #13 cicero05

Say it with me...

Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect, Bradley Effect

I doubt it will happen this time. I don't see people telling pollsters they'll vote O if they aren't.

re: #58 metoothen

Don't watch football much do you?I can't tell you how many times I have seen blown leads because of the "prevent defense".

Unfortunately, Virginia might to to Obama too. Warner is unbeatable and his popularity will definitely help Obama.

(Thumbs down icon)

re: #60 DesertSage

Do you realize how much damage a Pelosi congress will do with an Obama White House?

Considering what will happen to the Supreme Court alone, the damage will be irreversible.

re: #68 SFGoth

I doubt it will happen this time. I don't see people telling pollsters they'll vote O if they aren't.

I do.

re: #60 DesertSage

I don't know about you guys, but I'm concentrating on getting congress back in 2010.

Do you realize how much damage a Pelosi congress will do with an Obama White House?

For good or ill I am more concerned about November 4th 2008 right now. 2010 will be more important come November 5th.

The only poll that matters is the one that will be conducted on election day. Any thing else is nothing but smoke and wind, and about as useful.

re: #59 winston06

whats a bradley effect?

Tom Bradley was mayor of L.A. for years. When he ran for CA governor, he polled way ahead of his rival, Deukmajian, a white guy. On voting day, Deukmejian clobbered him. Shocked the pollsters that they could be so wrong.

The theory was that people would tell pollsters that they prefer the black candidate because they wanted the poll taker to think that they were cool, hip, progressive, whatever. But when the curtain on the voting booth closed, it's the White Guy all the way.

re: #67 puckish and beguiling

Anyone know how VA is polling?

Virginia Polls

Isn't Quinnipiac a liberal polling group?

re: #45 Ziggy

Here is PA, it's pretty bad. It seems that many people I encounter buy into the third GWB administration and that the republicans killed the economy all by themselves. Not to mention "How inexperienced Sarah Palin is and she'll be a heartbeat away from the oval office (with 72 yo McCain)" You can't talk to these people with logic and reason (generally speaking). The mindless mantra...hope and change.

There is a reasonable reply to this (and it's proven, my Mom used it yesterday on an Obamabot neighbor): "Yes, you could say Palin is inexperienced, but then again, so is Obama. And he's running for President, not Vice President."

The neighbor's jaw dropped, and she replied, "I never thought of it that way."

Will it change her vote? Probably not. But it did politely challenge her view of Palin. And Obama

re: #58 metoothen

Remember a few years ago when the Yankees choked and gave up the series to Boston?

The problem is the enthusiasm for McCain was completely blown out by the media attack when McCain suspended his campaign and went to DC for the banking crisis. The MSM did as instructed by the Pelosi/Reid/Obama triumvirate and thrashed McCain as a cynical exploiter of the situation when the opposite proved to be true.

Unless something jarring happens, this is done.

God help us.

re: #43 jaunte

The McCain campaign had better start pounding the message that the CRA set up the present economic situation, and Dem members subsequently beat up on the regulators trying to rein in Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Everyone with internet or watching Fox news has seen the evidence, but that doesn't cover those who don't want to look.

Those who don't want to look ain't gonna look. What appears straightforward and easy to comprehend for you, just ain't that easy for Joe and Jane Sixpack. Their eyes gloss over when it's presented. The professional dems know this, that's why it so easy for them to blame Bush just like Pelosi did just prior to the vote. For lack of understanding Joe & Jane simply decide to agree with her. It's easy that way.

re: #67 puckish and beguiling

CNN/Time...

The last CNN survey in Virginia, taken in mid-September, had McCain up by 4 points. But it's a slightly different story in American Research Group's new survey in Virginia, which indicates McCain has a 3-point lead. Video

Plus or minus 4 percentage points.CNN polls show Obama gaining in battleground states

re: #64 jorline

Happy October Lizards

This is the month Hillary and Bill are going to pull something out of their hat. Don't think for one minute that they will allow "O" to become Potus.

Let's stop talking about the Clintons pulling off some big plan to stop Obama. If anything, Hillary would rather run against a failed Obama 4 years than a successful 4 years from McCain.

And besides, we want to win because the majority of the country is behind McCain, not because he won by default.

It's not like McCain is 30 points behind. The national polls have him behind by around 4. You can make that up over the next 5 weeks. Cry in your beer all you want, I'm fighting to the bitter end.

RealClearPolitics.com

...Obama...McCain...Spread

Colorado ... 50.0 ... 45.0 ...Obama +5.0
Ohio ... 48.0 ... 46.0... Obama +2.0
Florida ... 48.6...45.6... Obama +3.0
Pennsylvania... 49.6... 42.0 ... Obama +7.6
Missouri ...46.8...48.5 ...McCain +1.7
Virginia ...48.8...46.3...Obama +2.5

re: #75 metoothen

That's depressing.

well, it depends on where in those states you poll

call houses in Cleveland Ohio and you'll get 90% Obama supporters
as an example

call Easton, PA and you'll get the same thing

Overtown-Miami, yup - same thing

Anything that comes out negative about Obama at this point will be utterly ignored by the media, as they have up till now.

There is no pressure whatsoever on them to report straight and now there won't be with the banking crisis.

re: #65 Occasional Reader

You've given up that easily on next month's election? Ranger up, soldier.

No, I'm not giving up. I'm just looking three steps ahead.
I just think that Pelosi is the most venomous, vicious, vitriolic pig that has ever been House Speaker and she has to go.

Recent polls depress me far more than any economic "crisis" we're going to face. I can deal with a depression, but an Obama presidency is another matter altogether.

I had a poll call me a couple of weeks ago.

re: #69 bulwrk

Don't watch football much do you?I can't tell you how many times I have seen blown leads because of the "prevent defense".

Right.

Obama and the calm, complacent, fair, tolerant, MSM, Soros, Hollywood, Believers are going to just sit back, relax, and start chillaxin.

Right.

The Q polls are alone in their opinion, Rasmussen and Gallup both show McCain narrowing the gap rapidly, with a four point spread.

Gallup Daily: Obama 48%, McCain 44%

I forget who it was that said; "The only thing polls poles are good for is strippers".

re: #76 Ward Cleaver

Isn't Quinnipiac a liberal polling group?

aren't gay people homosexual ?

does the sun rise in the east

does Chrysler make the worst cars in the world

such obvious answers my dear poster

I don't believe polls. Ever. Especially so this close to the election.

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

If anything, Hillary would rather run against a failed Obama 4 years than a successful 4 years from McCain.

I think probably her ideal scenario is actually a failed McCain 4 years from now. It would be very hard for her to wrest the nomination away from even a failed President Obama. Much easier for her to face a failed McCain and tell the Dems, "Obama couldn't beat this guy, but I could have; so now, bow down before me! I mean, er, nominate me."

The McCain campaign had some response to the Q-polls earlier, to the effect that, e.g., in Florida, their internal polls showed them up by 7. (I can't find it now.) They argued that the polls were oversampling minorities and undersampling groups likely to support McCain. They also stated that it would be ridiculous to assume McCain was even more behind in the swing states than he was nationally.

Now, that's fighting polls with polls, but somebody who knows something about statistics might take a look at the samples and break them down for us and see if that's true. I personally think polls are more valuable for trends, and national polls are trending Obama. Hopefully that will change, but I don't think we can just say "all polls are wrong."

re: #91 metoothen

So, does this mean that you will stay home on election day?

With the media continually pounding on Palin and the Democrats hammering McCain and Bush over the economy, the rest of the debates had better be good or we will have a tough time with this one.

Maybe Gwen Ifill will call in sick.

re: #76 Ward Cleaver

Isn't Quinnipiac a liberal polling group?

It is a university. They vary. They were dismissed only a month ago for showing that the northern blue states (WI/MI/ etc) were polling for McCain.

re: #63 metoothen

Understood.

But at some point and time you have to start thinking and acting.

Hey, we're losing.

Let's try something else.

At this rate do you honestly think McCain/Palin are going to win?

Honestly?

If so, why?

Are we losing? All we have is a bunch of numbers at this point. The numbers said that Kerry would win in 2004, and if you haven't noticed he didn't. The same applies for 2008 as far as I see.

I am not a prognosticator so my OPINION about who will win is really not relevant, honestly.

The stock market is in need of your fearless rationality right now, NOT.

The only poll that really matters is the one scheduled to be conducted on November 4th, 2008. Any thing else is pure bovine fertilizer.

Ron Poll!

I don't think most people are entirely honest with pollsters anyway. I've never been polled for any thing, ever, but I know that I would lie my butt off in the most outrageous ways just for my own personal entertainment. Yeah, I am often easily amused.

So... Show of hands, how many of you have never been polled?
/wait for it...

re: #98 Gang of One

So, does this mean that you will stay home on election day?

No, I will be voting a HEAVILY Blue state.

My vote will not count.

But vote I will.

re: #98 Gang of One

So, does this mean that you will stay home on election day?

Never. No one should.

I am in California. I will still cast for McCain, hell or high water.

re: #97 arethusa

...I don't think we can just say "all polls are wrong."

Of course, they're not all wrong. Just the ones that don't put McCain on top. ;)

re: #96 Occasional Reader

I think probably her ideal scenario is actually a failed McCain 4 years from now. It would be very hard for her to wrest the nomination away from even a failed President Obama. Much easier for her to face a failed McCain and tell the Dems, "Obama couldn't beat this guy, but I could have; so now, bow down before me! I mean, er, nominate me."

I think you missed my point. If McCain is elected, I don't think his 4 years will be a failure, do you?

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

I've been polled and it was by Chuckie Shoomer's office. I lied my ass off.

re: #91 metoothen

its called not making a big mistake late in the game with a lead, McCain is in a better position to take chances and attack.

re: #59 winston06

whats a bradley effect?

Here is the Wiki definition.

re: #63 metoothen

Understood.

But at some point and time you have to start thinking and acting.

Hey, we're losing.

Let's try something else.

At this rate do you honestly think McCain/Palin are going to win?

Honestly?

If so, why?

Why would McCain/Palin not have a chance to win? He is more popular than Bush, and the war is no longer an issue. Bush did win a second term, when many hated him. Bush also won a first term against Al Gore, who was the heir apparent to the Clinton throne. Are the majority of people who voted for Bush going to vote for Obama? I don't think so. Are the majority of independents going to vote for Obama? I don't know. Are people going to tell pollsters they are hip and down with voting for a black socialist when in fact, they're going to vote for the old white guy? History says... yes.

OT

Since the McKinny thread appears to be dead, I wanted to point out to as many as possible that this particular conspiracy theory closely follows a plot line from one of Harry Turtledove's alternate history novels. There is another parallel I didn't bring up in the original post. McKinny blames the "prison industrial complex" for the alleged killings "in the wake of Hurricane Katrina." In the Turtledove novel, a prison camp warden initiates the mass shootings after the nazi-style leadership sends him more prisoners than he can possibly house of feed.

re: #64 jorline

Happy October Lizards

This is the month Hillary and Bill are going to pull something out of their hat.

Don't think for one minute that they will allow "O" to become Potus.

If they had something, wouldn't they have used it during the primaries?

re: #104 metoothen

No, I will be voting a HEAVILY Blue state.

My vote will not count.

But vote I will.

Good. Me too, and I'm in Jersey.

re: #61 DeafDog

The housing debacle plays right into the MCCain/Palin wheelhouse of reform -

Bambi and Biden both collected over $100k from Fannie/Freddie.

Unless I am totally off of my meds , the wedge issue for McCain is Rezko.
It ties into housing , mortgages & corruption.
People are angry. Paint Obama as one of the culprits. Give the scandal the face of hypocrisy. And he should do it now & use Rezko/Obama over & over, pound it home. If they counter with Keating Five, people will say, "huh?"

re: #45 Ziggy

Here is PA, it's pretty bad. It seems that many people I encounter buy into the third GWB administration and that the republicans killed the economy all by themselves. Not to mention "How inexperienced Sarah Palin is and she'll be a heartbeat away from the oval office (with 72 yo McCain)" You can't talk to these people with logic and reason (generally speaking). The mindless mantra...hope and change.

Ziggy,

Here in Mn, Al Franken (yes - that Al) has a TV ad slamming Ron Coleman. He's got an elderly couple on who lost a relative in Iraq. The old guy says "Ron has to go." Did Ron kill their relative? No, but he's being held complicit in the death of their relative. This is some of the worst politicking I've ever seen. It rates up there with the anti-Goldwater commercial (little girl + mushroom cloud) run by LBJ. The democrats don't care about the people of the US. They only care about power.

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

Let's stop talking about the Clintons pulling off some big plan to stop Obama. If anything, Hillary would rather run against a failed Obama 4 years than a successful 4 years from McCain.

If the One wins he'll be renominated in 2012. No Hillary.

And besides, we want to win because the majority of the country is behind McCain, not because he won by default.

Any win, even a default win is okay. There's too much at stake.

also, the way the poll is phrased matters as much as who they poll

if the poller said for example:

given that Senator McCain kicks puppies
would you vote for him or Obama on 11/04 ?

I was polled once and the lead-in was blatantly a setup

mr Adrenalyn:
if you knew that drug dealers and rapists would be teaching your children without passage of the parcel tax - would you vote yes for it ?

dead serious...that was hope the fefing libs tried to make a poll sound like everyone was for it

the tax lost by 67%
instead of the required 67% in CA to pass
soundly defeated in other words

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

So... Show of hands, how many of you have never been polled?
/wait for it...

::raises hand::

Never had a pollster call me for a major election. Not when I lived in Tennessee, not here in Arkansas.

re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are we losing? All we have is a bunch of numbers at this point. The numbers said that Kerry would win in 2004, and if you haven't noticed he didn't. The same applies for 2008 as far as I see.

I am not a prognosticator so my OPINION about who will win is really not relevant, honestly.

The stock market is in need of your fearless rationality right now, NOT.

The only poll that really matters is the one scheduled to be conducted on November 4th, 2008. Any thing else is pure bovine fertilizer.

Um, no.

The late polls in 2004 showed the race swing to W.

2004 Bush-Kerry

Like I said, you can convince yourself that everything is fine, but you aren't going to convince anyone else.

They must of polled all those drunk homeless guys on the van in Ohio.

re: #80 unrealizedviewpoint

Those who don't want to look ain't gonna look. What appears straightforward and easy to comprehend for you, just ain't that easy for Joe and Jane Sixpack. Their eyes gloss over when it's presented. The professional dems know this, that's why it so easy for them to blame Bush just like Pelosi did just prior to the vote. For lack of understanding Joe & Jane simply decide to agree with her. It's easy that way.

When was the last time a Republican fought back? If it weren't for Swiftboat Vets for Truth (or whatever they're called), we'd have had Prez Kerry. You don't have to explain it all, you just have to stick in the average voters' craws that something sinister is afoot with Obama.

re: #45 Ziggy

Here is PA, it's pretty bad. It seems that many people I encounter buy into the third GWB administration and that the republicans killed the economy all by themselves. Not to mention "How inexperienced Sarah Palin is and she'll be a heartbeat away from the oval office (with 72 yo McCain)" You can't talk to these people with logic and reason (generally speaking). The mindless mantra...hope and change.

I live in dreary Erie, and the moonbat mind-numb is running rampant here. Everywhere you go, everything is GW's fault, but it was the local and Congressional Dems that let all the businesses leave town and become vacant buildings. If not for the GE locomotive plant or Lake Erie tourism, (cough) this town, my home town, would be more of a ghost town than it already is. If people think Barry O is going to bring jobs here, they're sadly mistaken. If anything, in an already over taxed city, Barry O's tax plans are going to be painful and expensive yet the Obama signs are all over front lawns because of the 'D' next to Barry's name.

re: #109 bulwrk

its called not making a big mistake late in the game with a lead, McCain is in a better position to take chances and attack.

With what?

Has McCain yet tried to attack, I mean really attack Obama as a far-Left radical?

I must have missed that.

The window is closing or has closed on this campaign.

McCain better figure out something quickly.

Otherwise, it will be a landslide for Obama.

phony polls matter not

re: #111 shibumi

Those who will not vote for Obama just because he is black - were they previously voting for Kerry or Gore?

re: #104 metoothen

No, I will be voting a HEAVILY Blue state.

My vote will not count.

But vote I will.

The only vote that will not count is the one not cast. I too live and vote in a Blue state, but my vote will count no matter the outcome.

re: #93 jorline

I like the Gallup poll,,thanks,,shows positive trend line for McCaine,,neg trend obama

Scoreboard. November 5. That's all that matters.

re: #34 rhythman

we are so screwed. Dem communist president and corrupt Dem. congress

fixed.

re: #78 Gang of One

Remember a few years ago when the Yankees choked and gave up the series to Boston?

Or Wisconsin - Michigan last weekend.

Is anyone else bothered by the polls RCP chooses to average? Why can't they just stick to the four daily polls? They average those in with surveys done by the networks or NYT or WaPo, which are usually based on interviewing from a few days each week, not every day. The average of the four daily polls is usually lower than when you throw in all the other polls.

Also, their "no leaners" electoral vote count is decided on the basis of a poll average that can include polls from months ago, not on the latest poll or two. Ridiculous.

re: #108 rawmuse

I've been polled and it was by Chuckie Shoomer's office. I lied my ass off.

If I were ever polled for some reason, I would answer with absurdity. Maybe something along the lines of this skit.

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

I think you missed my point. If McCain is elected, I don't think his 4 years will be a failure, do you?

Probably not, but you can't assume Hillary believes the same. And that's what we're talking about, what the Clintons are willing to do right now. And my point was; if her goal is White House 2012, Obama winning in 2008 under any scenario would make that almost impossible for her. Anyone know when the last time was that either party declined to nominate a sitting incumbent President for a second term? (I don't count LBJ, at least on the face of things he declined voluntarily.)

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

Let's stop talking about the Clintons pulling off some big plan to stop Obama. If anything, Hillary would rather run against a failed Obama 4 years than a successful 4 years from McCain.

And besides, we want to win because the majority of the country is behind McCain, not because he won by default.

Hey, Walter, good to see you. With all do respect, I couldn't disagree more.

This has nothing to do with a "Failed Obama run" verses a "Successful McCain 4 years from now". She wants to run against McCain in 2012 period and she thinks she smart enough to tarnish his image over the next four years.

I don't want Obama in office and I don't give a flip how it's done. If he makes it to Washington in January we're all up a creek for the next eight years my friend.

re: #122 SFGoth

When was the last time a Republican fought back? If it weren't for Swiftboat Vets for Truth (or whatever they're called), we'd have had Prez Kerry. You don't have to explain it all, you just have to stick in the average voters' craws that something sinister is afoot with Obama.

Good effin' point

re: #123 sngnsgt

I live in dreary Erie, and the moonbat mind-numb is running rampant here. Everywhere you go, everything is GW's fault, but it was the local and Congressional Dems that let all the businesses leave town and become vacant buildings. If not for the GE locomotive plant or Lake Erie tourism, (cough) this town, my home town, would be more of a ghost town than it already is. If people think Barry O is going to bring jobs here, they're sadly mistaken. If anything, in an already over taxed city, Barry O's tax plans are going to be painful and expensive yet the Obama signs are all over front lawns because of the 'D' next to Barry's name.

A bit OT -

Didn't Erie head downhill a long time ago when they lost the steel plants and other large manufacturing plants? i use to live in North Jersey, and I remember how it was a bustling company town at one time, and as the years went by, when driving through, it looked more and more like a depression era movie set. Just asking.

re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only vote that will not count is the one not cast. I too live and vote in a Blue state, but my vote will count no matter the outcome.

I am glad you think so.

Too bad it won't help McCain in OH, PA, FL, MO, IN, VA, NV

re: #109 bulwrk

its called not making a big mistake late in the game with a lead, McCain is in a better position to take chances and attack.

McCain has always been better in this race as an underdog than as a front-runner. (Obama can't deal with being the underdog, based on how he behaved early-mid-September.) I hope that plays true over the next few weeks.

Polls are BS:

The ballot is secret and polls are not.

Polls can be worded trickily, the ballot is simple.

You can lie to a pollster; you cannot lie to the ballot.

Polls come to you; you have to get up off your ass to go vote.

Polls can be used as propaganda, the ballot cannot.

re: #113 Spirit93

If they had something, wouldn't they have used it during the primaries?

Could be, but when have you ever known the Clinton's to stop digging?

re: #119 gop_patriot

::raises hand::

Don't look now Patriot, but you just got polled by the Behemoth.

Is there enough money, talent and initiative here at LGF to produce a campaign commercial?

/Spanky:"Hey gang, let's put on a play!"

re: #120 metoothen

Um, no.

The late polls in 2004 showed the race swing to W.

2004 Bush-Kerry

Like I said, you can convince yourself that everything is fine, but you aren't going to convince anyone else.

Have I EVER said things are fine? NO! So convincing MYSELF ain't a part of the equation.

What we don't need is a panicked response to what could be a statistical blip. See a problem? Then WORK on solving it.

re: #136 unrealizedviewpoint

Good effin' point

Barry O has plenty of skeletons in his closet, the good Rev. Wright comes to mind.

re: #14 anotherindyfilmguy

Yeah,I see a lot more McCain signs in the suberbs and I'm seeing more in the Boros [even some in the city-Lancaster County]

re: #138 metoothen

I am glad you think so.

Too bad it won't help McCain in OH, PA, FL, MO, IN, VA, NV

Go ahead and scream the sky is falling. See what that does to solve the problem.

re: #135 jorline

Hey, Walter, good to see you. With all do respect, I couldn't disagree more.

This has nothing to do with a "Failed Obama run" verses a "Successful McCain 4 years from now". She wants to run against McCain in 2012 period and she thinks she smart enough to tarnish his image over the next four years.

I don't want Obama in office and I don't give a flip how it's done. If he makes it to Washington in January we're all up a creek for the next eight years my friend.

In the last sentence the he=Obama...sorry

Talking about anecdotal evidence of the lack of interest in Odrama, I was at the dry cleaners yesterday, and another customer was talking about the election to the women behind the counter -- one Hispana, the other black. The woman -- a realtor, in fact -- was waxing eloquent about McCain/Palin and her views of the current situation viz a viz the financial meltdown. The women behind the counter looked at each other, then at the realtor, and me ... they said they were not voting for Odrama, they did not like his style or his campaign. The Hispana said she did not trust Odrama. The black woman said she thinks Odrama is a commie!

I was somewhat surprised to hear this. And I honestly don't see that many Odrama stickers -- most are on cars with NY plates.

Perhaps this is meaningless, but it is interesting [to me] none the less.

Pennsylvania:
Obama - 54%
McCain - 39%

This is purely anecdotal, and thus of course of no significance to the poll-worshippers, but:

At a recent social event, I talked to the first McCain supporter I've ever met. She was from suburban Philadelphia. When I pointed out that Obama was leading in Pennsylvania, and was likely to take the state, she burst out laughing. She said that, outside of poor neighborhoods in Philadelphia, nobody in Pennsylvania was voting Obama. The entire rest of the state hates Obama, she said. She predicted a McCain landslide.

She also said that, although she and her friends and her family all live in supposedly "swing" areas of a "swing" state, neither she nor anyone she knows had ever been polled, nor do they know of anybody who's ever been polled.

Now, look at the recent numbers: Obama leading by 15%.

Something or someone is seriously out of whack here.

re: #141 jorline

Could be, but when have you ever known the Clinton's to stop digging?

Ok, but I heard that "look out for the Clinton bomb" during the primaries too. Never happened.

re: #135 jorline

I don't want Obama in office and I don't give a flip how it's done. If he makes it to Washington in January we're all up a creek for the next eight years my friend.

Well, I'll agree with your last paragraph. Most Lizards here know that I am more pissed off at the whole lot of them, and if I had my way, I would take a riot hose to all of Washington, but on top of this financial shit hole we are now in, Obama would be the death of the country as we know it.

My only problem is I keep feeling that the Repubs are only going to be a bandaid, and at some time wew are going to have to clean house anyway, all around.

These politicians have totally abandoned us, the people down here.

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

So... Show of hands, how many of you have never been polled?
/wait for it...

I've never been polled, being that this is the first year I'm old enough to actually vote. I'm having a hard time deciding what to tell the exit pollers on Election Day. Do I proudly tell them I voted McCain and amuse myself with the befuddled look at an 18-year-old who's not a brainwashed Obamaton? Do I play the part of the brainwashed Obamaton? Or do I just shut my trap?

re: #140 Ojoe

Polls are BS:

The ballot is secret and polls are not.

Polls can be worded trickily, the ballot is simple.

You can lie to a pollster; you cannot lie to the ballot.

Polls come to you; you have to get up off your ass to go vote.

Polls can be used as propaganda, the ballot cannot.

Someone here is having a hard time grasping that. ;)

re: #149 Gang of One

The black woman said she thinks Odrama is a commie!

I've heard that he sounds too much like he's white.

re: #145 sngnsgt

Barry O has plenty of skeletons in his closet, the good Rev. Wright comes to mind.

Unfortunately, the media is doing its darndest to bury them all.

re: #143 IslandLibertarian
haha and enough money to buy a lawyer too?

If this holds, then, in combination with the current bailout fiasco...the country truly has turned socialist. Can't wait for my government-rationed gruel to arrive.

re: #151 Spirit93

Ok, but I heard that "look out for the Clinton bomb" during the primaries too. Never happened.

Actually, I agree. I do not expect some "enemy of my enemy" miracle from the Clintons.

re: #149 Gang of One

Adding my anecdotal two cents. Was just in the McCain Palin headquarters. In the room with me were two white men, one black man, and three white women. And the two white men were college-aged.

What is the stereotype Republican again? Old, sexist, and racist?

re: #154 FurryOldGuyJeans

And if 0bama is elected he will probably be one term anyway, and he will project weakness & we will be hit again like 9-11, and then the country will be quite different.

IMHO

I (still) find it hard to believe that the American people will (knowingly) vote for a Marxist - especially after the majority of the public got all up in arms over this bailout bill.

I mean honestly. Has anyone bothered to ask Obama exactly HOW he's going to build wealth "from the bottom up"? Because as far as I know that's a totally new concept that's never been done before.

Obama signs only slightly more numerous than McCain signs here in Delaware County, PA. (So far.) This actually bodes ill for Obama, who needs big numbers from this area.

re:146 suburbs PIMF

re: #151 Spirit93

Ok, but I heard that "look out for the Clinton bomb" during the primaries too. Never happened.

I don't think they have a bomb, but look what has come to light about "O" since the primaries. People are just now starting to scratching the Obama veneer.

re: #160 Silhouette

Adding my anecdotal two cents. Was just in the McCain Palin headquarters. In the room with me were two white men, one black man, and three white women. And the two white men were college-aged.

What is the stereotype Republican again? Old, sexist, and racist?

I thought we hated old people?

Wait! How old is old?

Gwen Ifill plays the race card:

"Do you think they made the same assumptions about Lou Cannon (who is white) when he wrote his book about Reagan?" said Ifill, who is black. Asked if there were racial motives at play, she said, "I don't know what it is. I find it curious."

Standard "bring the subject up and seem indifferent when asked for the accusation" game. Why did she have to point out the race of who she was comparing to if race weren't a factor?

Dishonest as they come.

I believe in the majority of Americans being sensible and loving their country.
I refuse to believe they will vote for Obama with all the information already out there.

Seriously, is anyone suprised by all this? I'm surpised Obama doesn't have 70%.

The way the news reports him, you would have thought he cured cancer just by touching you.

You should all realize that if Obama wins, I'm going to immediately denounce each and every one of you to the Truth and Dignity Squads, in order to gain Inner Party privileges.

I'm just layin' it out here.

re: #162 littleoldlady
I'm with you, but you type and think much faster.

re: #145 sngnsgt

Barry O has plenty of skeletons in his closet, the good Rev. Wright comes to mind.

So what? Nobody cares, except us. It's like the Biden gaffe machine. "That's just Joe, haha".
Barry, no experience, a socialist, bad friends? In the words of Barry himself "I don't know what to tell ya." Cue thousands of adoring fans.

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL

re: #147 FurryOldGuyJeans

Go ahead and scream the sky is falling. See what that does to solve the problem.

Solve the problem?

Let's see: Change the editorial staff at CNN, NYT, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, WaPO.

Think that may help?

You're kidding, right.

There is no solution to the problem. What is needed is adaptation and unfortunately, there may not be sufficient time, resources, or expertise to overcome a McCain/Palin ticket.

How can the GOP overcome the MSM, Hollywood, and the Soros millions?

Your guess is as good as mine. And apparently as good as the Mccain strategists.

Admitting there is problem is the first step.

There needs to be a bit more of it the anti-idiotarian echo chambers.

McCain does seem awful quiet of late. If he's really been working so hard on the financial crisis, he needs to speak up, tell us where he stands, and point out that Barry has done absolutely nothing. Then he has to point out Barry's obvious ties to Fannie and Freddie.

Where the McCain campaign has been very disappointing to me so far is the way they have given Barry the free pass that the media has been giving. This guy has absolutely NO RECORD of ever having accomplished anything! And we are about to give him the keys to the kingdom. Come on! Take the gloves off and fight for the country. We cannot let this empty suit waltz out of central casting and into the White House.

re: #157 willowone

haha and enough money to buy a lawyer too?

oh I'm sure there are a few lawyers here...and maybe even one or two that can be bought...

/First we kill buy the lawyers.

Interesting poll from AOL. I hope that this is for real.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

re: #167 willowone

The curtain will close behind them in the voting booth & the creepy revulsion for 0bama will inspire them to vote McCain.

Most people IMHO

re: #169 Occasional Reader

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you suppose will be lavished upon you?

I pray that the damage a victorious Barack Obama and his cretinous associates do to this country, will only be outweighed by the damage he does to his own party.

I pray that even should he win, his victory will spell the end of "American" Progressivism.

-WFH

re: #158 Tom Blogical

If this holds, then, in combination with the current bailout fiasco...the country truly has turned socialist. Can't wait for my government-rationed gruel to arrive.

I firmly believe that Obama is a true socialist. And one of the interesteing things that seems to jump out at me is the designs of his campaign material, especially the graphics.

When I was in Eastern Europe doing research for my play "A Field of Buttercups," I spent a lot of time in Warsaw in archives and museums, and the sembelance of the Russian and Nazi era political artwork to the Obama campaign graphics is scary.

And a lot of it also comes up in his "posture." The tilted head, the upward gaze, the radient look, all remind me of a lot of that 30's-40's-50's propaganda.

Is it just me?

re: #169 Occasional Reader heck, i'll be long gone with no forwarding address just try to catch me.

re: #176 steve

Interesting poll from AOL. I hope that this is for real.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Sorry, "internet polls" are, by their very nature, utter crap. Built-in selection bias.

re: #166 karmic_inquisitor

Gwen Ifill plays the race card:

Standard "bring the subject up and seem indifferent when asked for the accusation" game. Why did she have to point out the race of who she was comparing to if race weren't a factor?

Dishonest as they come.

Yeah, Lou Cannon didn't hold himself up as a disinterested party, and didn't moderate a supposedly impartial debate.

re: #175 IslandLibertarian
They really are quite lovely when we need one : P

re: #153 Fat Jolly Penguin

Tell 'em you voted for Taft. That should get a strange look.

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'll agree with your last paragraph. Most Lizards here know that I am more pissed off at the whole lot of them, and if I had my way, I would take a riot hose to all of Washington, but on top of this financial shit hole we are now in, Obama would be the death of the country as we know it.

My only problem is I keep feeling that the Repubs are only going to be a bandaid, and at some time wew are going to have to clean house anyway, all around.

These politicians have totally abandoned us, the people down here.

Could agree more, Walter. I know how pissed you are and I'm right there with you.

re: #156 solomonpanting

Unfortunately, the media is doing its darndest to bury them all.

And the ones who do hear it just put their fingers in their ears and go "la-la-la-la".

re: #178 J.D.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you suppose will be lavished upon you?

I will get several extra Victory Gin rations per month, for one thing.

Living here in New Hampshire and a registered independent I would get phone calls just about every nigh from pollsters ( I no longer have a home phone ) and when the questions stared coming I would laugh at them and point out how leading the questions were, I do not trust polls.

re: #167 willowone

I believe in the majority of Americans being sensible and loving their country.
I refuse to believe they will vote for Obama with all the information already out there.

I agree the majority of Americans are sensible and love their country. But I also believe many will vote for Obama wth all the disinformation already out there.

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

I firmly believe that Obama is a true socialist. And one of the interesteing things that seems to jump out at me is the designs of his campaign material, especially the graphics.

When I was in Eastern Europe doing research for my play "A Field of Buttercups," I spent a lot of time in Warsaw in archives and museums, and the sembelance of the Russian and Nazi era political artwork to the Obama campaign graphics is scary.

And a lot of it also comes up in his "posture." The tilted head, the upward gaze, the radient look, all remind me of a lot of that 30's-40's-50's propaganda.

Is it just me?

Nope, I see it too. Looks like Il Duce. All he needs is the goofy hat.

re: #167 willowone

I believe in the majority of Americans being sensible and loving their country.
I refuse to believe they will vote for Obama with all the information already out there.

Folks getting their information from television news and print media are completely unaware of any of Obama's negatives.

The Wright controversy was reported by ABCs Brian Ross as a courtesy to the Clintons.

No one is extending any courtesies to John McCain.

This all proves that there is absolutely no credits that a Republican can build up with the media by being bipartisan. None. No point in it.

The MSM has removed the incentive for civility in the campaign cycle. No Republican anywhere should ever try to please the media again - there is no point in it.

re: #173 metoothen

Solve the problem?

Let's see: Change the editorial staff at CNN, NYT, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, WaPO.

Think that may help?

You're kidding, right.

There is no solution to the problem. What is needed is adaptation and unfortunately, there may not be sufficient time, resources, or expertise to overcome a McCain/Palin ticket.

How can the GOP overcome the MSM, Hollywood, and the Soros millions?

Your guess is as good as mine. And apparently as good as the Mccain strategists.

Admitting there is problem is the first step.

There needs to be a bit more of it the anti-idiotarian echo chambers.

I don't think anyone is saying it is going be a cakewalk. However, it is completely premature to call this one for Obama.

I'm starting to see what they were talking about over on the Hillary Clinton forum. They've been fighting Obama since the democrats' primary, and they've developed rather thick skin. When the polls come out and the news looks bleak, that just encourages them to get out and work harder and do more in order to turn it around.

In a couple of threads over there they've been bemoaning the fact that many, many republicans/conservatives seem to be losing hope and going on "doom and gloom" all over the place, and it appears they are correct.

It's here, it's on Hot Air, it's on Ace's site, Powerline, Rhiel-World View - even some on Michelle Malkin. Lots of second guessing the Palin choice and beating up on McCain for his stance on the economic bailout issue.

And it appears to be working; instead of the incredible surge in momentum throughout conservative/Republican ranks after late August, we've now got grumblers and doubters.

These are indeed the times that try men's souls, and I for one am not going to let depressing poll numbers or gloomy gusses keep me from forging ahead and believing that we can still pull this off.

You can, if you want. But not me. There is too much at stake.

re: #161 Ojoe

And if 0bama is elected he will probably be one term anyway, and he will project weakness & we will be hit again like 9-11, and then the country will be quite different.

IMHO

I would prefer to see it be a No Term Presidency, but then all I can do is MY Constitutional duty of voting. Everything else is up to the collective mentality of the American voters who will bother to cast a ballot for November 4th, 2008. To get all panicky about What If's is counter-productive IMNHO and ulcer-inducing to the max.

tfk had it right up-thread.

It matters not the D or R after a candidates name.

What matters is their ideology. Is it left of center or right of center, in the aggregate?

McCain has an R after his name. Who among us would argue that McCain is right of center, considering the totality of his record? McCain is singularly responsible for our current high energy prices. His was the deciding vote, years ago, that closed ANWR. Thanks John. Jerk. And he is still talking Global Warming BS.

Vote out the corrupt Republicans. Vote in some "blue-dog" Democrats (yes they exist). Next cycle, vote in some honest Republicans and some more blue dogs and viola, we have a political realignment.

Yes, the Supreme Court will be a problem with a Democrat President, but, not much we can do about that.

/and my Democrat Senator from Florida just announced he opposes the bailout on C-Span. That's what I am talking about.

Who made this statement?

"If your organization is small, do what Gideon did: conceal the members in the dark but raise a clamor that will make the listener believe that your organization numbers many more that it does."

***

If the media is in the tank for Obama, why would you think the polls are correct? We fight on!

re: #170 willowone

I'm with you, but you type and think much faster.

Absolutely not! Just got to thread earlier. ;-)

/World's Slowest Typer

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

Tell 'em you voted for Taft. That should get a strange look.

Oooh, messing with their heads -- I like, I like!

re: #122 SFGoth

When was the last time a Republican fought back? If it weren't for Swiftboat Vets for Truth (or whatever they're called), we'd have had Prez Kerry. You don't have to explain it all, you just have to stick in the average voters' craws that something sinister is afoot with Obama.

Swiftboating has become a purjorative. The connotation is lies.

If you look at who the Swifties are, over two hundred vets led by John O'Niel, sixty two of them eye witnesses to Kerry's fabrications.
Many of them are highly decorated & not one assertion was ever proved false.
So does one believe Kerry or sixty two honorable men?

Time to get my son to baseball practice...see you in the morning, Lizards.

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I will get several extra Victory Gin rations per month, for one thing.

/Also the complete DVDs of the sermons of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

re: #177 Ojoe

Right they will think about His friends, and although they Really wanted change, they realize He is not the one needed.
That's my thoughts and i'm sticking with them, or buying a case of the hardest liquor nov 5th

re: #172 gop_patriot

It's an old joke that I never get tired of.

re: #165 J.D.

I thought we hated old people?

Wait! How old is old?

Well, now, for me at least, it is being at least over 65. ;) Turning 50 sure makes that easy.

Can't remember who said it. Mark Twain perhaps, but it goes something like this.

You have liars, damned liars and statisticians.

As has been said numerous times up thread. The only polls that are going to mean anything are the ones done on Nov. 4th. Anything between then and now are a waste of effort and time.

/and I am not talking about those useless exit polls either. Though it was fun watching Chicken Noodle News wetting themselves when the States they gave to Mondale ultimately ended up going to Bush

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, Lou Cannon didn't hold himself up as a disinterested party, and didn't moderate a supposedly impartial debate.

But he was WHITE. Don't you see? RACISM!

/

re: #50 kynna

I was listening to Rush go ballistic on McCain today for letting the dems blame everything on Republicans. Hopefully the campaign heard and got the message.

That's what people want. The truth. And the only way to do it is through ads and through disabusing the journalists of their manufactured 'conventional wisdom' and McCain's the one who has to do that.

He needs to understand that a Barack Obama presidency could be a fatal blow to the US. And that he will go down in history with Ross Perot for having been a part of letting the 'bad guy' in the Oval Office. Clinton wasn't nearly as corrupt as Obama, but he was bad enough.

We can't survive it again.

Is it me or does it seem as if the McCain Campaign is out of touch with the bloggers, the people, and the issues? It's as if they get the message 2 days too late to make any difference. Poor performance in the debate when he could've been on the attack. Mishandling Sarah and keeping her from talk show circuits. No idea the American people are against the bailout. I just want to pick them up and slap them silly so they'll wake up.

Quintic looks like an outlier compared to other polls conducted at the same time. Look at the other Ohio polls.

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

What I do is to look at the RCPT polls, remove the most pro-ABM and pro-McCain poll and average the rest. This adjusts for outliers.

Still, I'm afraid that the nation will unknowingly elect its first socialist president.

You can't make this stuff up: FacetheState.com has uncovered a confidential Demo memo in CO that's called ' Educate the Idiots', in which they are explaining how to target the uneducated, the homeless, and the illiterate.
(Link has been disabled, so you can't just go there and read it... they're understanding we're not ALL idiots...).

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

It is not just you.
Mussolini

re: #198 littleoldlady My two fingers get exhausted : }

re: #162 littleoldlady

I (still) find it hard to believe that the American people will (knowingly) vote for a Marxist - especially after the majority of the public got all up in arms over this bailout bill.

They don't know he's a Marxist. Nobody has told them?

I have one friend who has been telling his wife that he will vote for Obama but has told me privately that he will actually vote for McCain.

He says his wife is so excited about Obama that it's just not worth the pain it would cause her if she knew.

I imagine he's not the only one.

re: #206 Bubblehead II

Though it was fun watching Chicken Noodle News wetting themselves when the States they gave to Mondale ultimately ended up going to Bush

I must've missed the Bush vs. Mondale election...

re: #174 JohnAdams

McCain does seem awful quiet of late. If he's really been working so hard on the financial crisis, he needs to speak up, tell us where he stands, and point out that Barry has done absolutely nothing. Then he has to point out Barry's obvious ties to Fannie and Freddie.

Where the McCain campaign has been very disappointing to me so far is the way they have given Barry the free pass that the media has been giving. This guy has absolutely NO RECORD of ever having accomplished anything! And we are about to give him the keys to the kingdom. Come on! Take the gloves off and fight for the country. We cannot let this empty suit waltz out of central casting and into the White House.

I expect him to step it up after something has been done with the "Rescue Package". Probably early next week. After Nancy "Wormtongue" poisoned the last vote right before they had it, I think McCain is holding back so the Dems look like they hosed that vote. Once this "Rescue Package" has been passed, there will be nothing to hold back the partisanship.

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I will get several extra Victory Gin rations per month, for one thing.

Alrighty then...

re: #194 Intrepid

I'm starting to see what they were talking about over on the Hillary Clinton forum. They've been fighting Obama since the democrats' primary, and they've developed rather thick skin. When the polls come out and the news looks bleak, that just encourages them to get out and work harder and do more in order to turn it around.

In a couple of threads over there they've been bemoaning the fact that many, many republicans/conservatives seem to be losing hope and going on "doom and gloom" all over the place, and it appears they are correct.

It's here, it's on Hot Air, it's on Ace's site, Powerline, Rhiel-World View - even some on Michelle Malkin. Lots of second guessing the Palin choice and beating up on McCain for his stance on the economic bailout issue.

And it appears to be working; instead of the incredible surge in momentum throughout conservative/Republican ranks after late August, we've now got grumblers and doubters.

These are indeed the times that try men's souls, and I for one am not going to let depressing poll numbers or gloomy gusses keep me from forging ahead and believing that we can still pull this off.

You can, if you want. But not me. There is too much at stake.

I salute you.

re: #171 kansas LOL, foot in mouth diseased Joe he's just that crazy uncle nobody talks about.

re: #193 zenren

I don't think anyone is saying it is going be a cakewalk. However, it is completely premature to call this one for Obama.

I haven't called it, but it's getting awful late in the game to ignore what's going on.

At some point and time, and this is my point, you need to recognize that the the trend is moving in the wrong direction.

And if you fail to adapt, you lose.

Time is running out.

re: #203 willowone Oops those are * my thoughts

re: #184 willowone

They really are quite lovely when we need one : P

Agreed, but so damned expensive!
/My divorce attorney was quite lovely, in a babe sort of way.

re: #209 LesLein

Still, I'm afraid that the nation will unknowingly elect its first socialist president.

Too late for that. They go back a ways. I would say to Woodrow Wilson.

re: #214 Ringo the Gringo

/That marriage is headed for trouble/

re: #195 FurryOldGuyJeans

I just look at the possibility & I don't feel any panic.

re: #120 metoothen

Um, no.

The late polls in 2004 showed the race swing to W.

2004 Bush-Kerry

Like I said, you can convince yourself that everything is fine, but you aren't going to convince anyone else.

McCain really ought to concede at this point. Save us all the trouble...

Palin-basher Sandra Bernhard loses gig over gang-rape joke

Lesson for “comedian” Sandra Bernhard:

If you joke about Palin being gang-raped by black men, you might turn off even your most ardent supporters.

Actions have consequences, via Life News:

Comedian Sandra Bernhard has lost her slot as a keynote speaker for a women’s shelter in Massachusetts after attacking vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin on abortion. In a monologue criticizing the Alaska governor, Bernhard made crude comments about rape that cost her the gig.

The comments came in a one-woman stand up show Bernhard did last month in Washington, D.C.. During the event, Bernhard said Palin would be “gang-raped by my big black brothers” and the comments came in a diatribe against Palin’s pro-life views.

Bernhard was supposed to be a featured speaker at the October 16 event “Funny Women … Serious Business” put on by the Boston-based Rosie’s Place, a domestic violence shelter for women.

Public relations director Leemarie Mosca told AP about the cancellation and said the comments were offensive to many of the victims the shelter helps as well as its staff and volunteers.

“In light of our mission, we don’t think violence against women is a laughing matter,” she said.

Bernhard whining about “Stalinist” stifling of “dissent” in 3, 2, 1…

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

re: #205 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, now, for me at least, it is being at least over 65. ;) Turning 50 sure makes that easy.

Why don't we call 65 just oldish?

re: #194 Intrepid

Everyone can moan about McCain/Palin and whine that they are not the "perfect" choice. But the alternative is President Obama and all the social engineering that he will bring to American.

To me the choice could not be clearer. McCain/Palin all the way. It's why I have volunteered at my local RNC office.

Now is NOT the time to sit and twist your hands together and whine, moan, or complain. We have a stark difference in our candidates and in the direction each would take our country.

And we have Lindsey Graham R, voting for amnesty and a bailout.

You guys feeling me yet?

re: #226 Spiny Norman

McCain really ought to concede at this point. Save us all the trouble...

No, McCain better change his f***ing campaign.

If he doesn't do that, can't do that, or can't figure out how to do that, then yes, he might as well call it a day.

Big difference.

re: #197 JacksonTn

If the media is in the tank for Obama, why would you think the polls are correct? We fight on!

Uh, because the media is in the tank for Obama and the polls are intended to sway opinion.?

re: #204 Slumbering Behemoth

It's an old joke that I never get tired of.

Ha. ;) On the other hand, I said I'd never been polled for a "major election".

:D hee hee

Anyway, gotta go, taking the kids to church. Talk to y'all later!

re: #199 Fat Jolly Penguin

In my late teens I had the idea to poll folks at the local mall for their opinion about the endangered California Snipe. Never actually did it, though.

McCain wants to win?

Than he needs to NAME NAMES! Tell America in a loud voice exactly who got money from Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac and promise to prosecute ALL current and ex-lawmakers from both sides of the isle who became Millionaires just by "sitting on the board"

I heard McCain say he wanted to "stay above the fray", well he better strap on his oxygen mask, arm his missiles and hit the after-burner or he's going down in flames.

re: #165 J.D.

I thought we hated old people?

Wait! How old is old?

What people consider middle aged cracks me up. They don't seem to grasp the idea of what middle means.

Ask a bunch of people and they'll say 45-60, or somewhere close.

And the mathmatician in me thinks, the average lifespan is 105? Who knew?

Quinnipiac poll had Cuomo beating Pataki by 20 points two weeks before the 1994 Governer race. Pataki won.

re: #235 Maximu§

McCain wants to win?

Than he needs to NAME NAMES! Tell America in a loud voice exactly who got money from Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac and promise to prosecute ALL current and ex-lawmakers from both sides of the isle who became Millionaires just by "sitting on the board"

I heard McCain say he wanted to "stay above the fray", well he better strap on his oxygen mask, arm his missiles and hit the after-burner or he's going down in flames.

Problem is that he himself got some $ from it. Yes. The stink is all over.

folks, remember that on the DAY of the last election, the exit polls had Kerry with about a 3-4% lead.these polls mean nothing.

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, Lou Cannon didn't hold himself up as a disinterested party, and didn't moderate a supposedly impartial debate.

I emailed NBC News about her seeming appearance of bias and unsuitability as an impartial moderator. Even suggested that, since they have given up all pretense at objectivity, that perhaps for an encore they might have Olberdouche moderate a future Presidential debate, but I used his real name.

Was recently in Erie and the further north you go on Hwy 20 the worse it gets. The tourist stuff looks like it is mostly centered around Peach St. Get much off of Peach headed north and you see old, crumbling brick buildings and not much new industry construction.

re: #220 metoothen

I haven't called it, but it's getting awful late in the game to ignore what's going on.

At some point and time, and this is my point, you need to recognize that the the trend is moving in the wrong direction.

And if you fail to adapt, you lose.

Time is running out.

I agree. They need to shake things up. But all is not lost.

re: #227 SummerSong

Because no joke goes over better at a domestic violence shelter than one about gang rape.

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

In my late teens I had the idea to poll folks at the local mall for their opinion about the endangered California Snipe. Never actually did it, though.

LOL -- a reference to this?

Not nearly as good as buzzsawmonkey...
With apologies to The Fifth Dimension, but none in particular to Gwen Ifill:

(This is the dawning of ) The Age of Obama
When the moonbats take your House
And McKinney returns to Mars
Then Islam will destroy the planets
And love will be too far

This is the dawning of the Age of Obama
The Age of Obama
Oba-ama! Oba-ama!

Hypocrisy and Obfuscation
Psychopathy and troof abounding
Nothing but falsehoods and derisions
Dreams of income redistribution
Myopic revolution
And mind crime retribution
Oba-ama! Oba-ama!

When the moonbats take your House
And McKinney returns to Mars
Then Islam will destroy the planets
And love will be too far

This is the dawning of the Age of Obama
The Age of Obama
Oba-ama! Oba-ama!

Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in
Let the One shine, Let the One shine in
The One shine in

re: #227 SummerSong

Sandra Bernhardt. Didn't she go the David Letterman School of Comedy?

re: #173 metoothen

Solve the problem?

Let's see: Change the editorial staff at CNN, NYT, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, WaPO.

Think that may help?

You're kidding, right.

There is no solution to the problem. What is needed is adaptation and unfortunately, there may not be sufficient time, resources, or expertise to overcome a McCain/Palin ticket.

How can the GOP overcome the MSM, Hollywood, and the Soros millions?

Your guess is as good as mine. And apparently as good as the Mccain strategists.

Admitting there is problem is the first step.

There needs to be a bit more of it the anti-idiotarian echo chambers.

The solution to the problem is quite simple. Let YOUR voice be heard. By voting, and speaking up. Keep proclaiming powerlessness and the corruption continues.

What was probably the one thing that most people, from all political persuasions, liked about Reagan? His optimism in and of America (at least a vast majority of the people I know did). Time to reclaim that spirit.

I think Rudy is the only guy who could punch Obama squarely in the mug without that "be nice" voice in his head that Republicans have. Listen mister we could use a man like Lee Atwater again. Rudy would have looked right at him and said "Senator Obama, it is generally considered proper and respectful for people to be addressed by titles if they have them. I've referred to you as Sen. Obama. I'm Mayor Guiliani. After the election, if you visit me in the White House and we become friends, you can call me Rudy. If you're not willing to give me the respect I've earned -- the same respect you've earned -- then what are you going to call the ministers in Europe you plan to consult on American foreign policy -- if you're holding a press conference with the PM of France are you going to say "Nicholaus and I have reached an important agreement..."? If you don't respect your presidential opponent, why should the American people -- the average Joe pumping gas or hauling freight -- think you'll respect him?" McCain won't and can't say something like that, and being a colleague of Obama's gives him even more business to do so.

re: #226 Spiny Norman

McCain really ought to concede at this point. Save us all the trouble...

Did you forget your sarc tag?

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

In my late teens I had the idea to poll folks at the local mall for their opinion about the endangered California Snipe. Never actually did it, though.

End Women's Suffrage!

re: #229 Russkilitlover

To me the choice could not be clearer. McCain/Palin all the way. It's why I have volunteered at my local RNC office.

...

We have a stark difference in our candidates and in the direction each would take our country.

But to roughly 8-15% of the electorate they don't see it that way.

Obama is seen as a moderate by most independent voters, that is why he is ahead in the polls.

Don't believe me, spend some time with Jay Nordlinger at NRO.

Sad, but true.

It's up to McCain to tell America who Barack Hussein Obama II is.

If he can't do that, he deserves to lose.

re: #238 rawmuse

Problem is that he himself got some $ from it. Yes. The stink is all over.

Their all dirty, but some are dirtier than others...Pelosi, Obama, Kerry and Reid seemed to cash in far more than McCain.

re: #232 kansas

If the media is in the tank for Obama, why would you think the polls are correct? We fight on!

Uh, because the media is in the tank for Obama and the polls are intended to sway opinion.?

Yes, but you did not answer who the quote was from ...

Do we just step back and take it and bitch and whine? We may not be able to change the msm but there are enough who do not socialism and can use computers to take the fight to them. Strike back. They push crap and then eventually it gets on the news. We have to do the same.

re: #215 Occasional Reader

BLUSH! Bush/Gore.

Is it to late for a PIMF?

I do not trust polls. They are interesting and provide for conversation, but I very much doubt their validity on election day, unless somebody is clearly far out ahead beforehand. Until then, I'll just note the polls with amusement. Nothing is for certain right now.

McCain announces that the bill is clearly going to fail unless something happens, and suspends his campaign to try to gather legislative votes. Obama says there's no reason to go back to Washington. Bush calls, and like a puppy dog Obama is back in Washington lickedy-split.

The dems claim that McCain has spoiled the "atmosphere of bipartisan cooperation" by returning. They claim they have the votes. Of course they knew the bill wouldn't pass no matter what. This was simply setting the stage to blame McCain and link him to the supposed criminality of the current presidency, which has nothing to do with any of this.

Dems blame vote failure on the GOP "not delivering on their promise to deliver" x amount of votes. Meanwhile, dems that represent over 21% of the entire membership of the House vote against the bill. Easy math, but people just pay attention to sound bites.

This is just a blip, a particular bit of media manipulation by the majority party. The effect will dim over time, and what won't dim is the character of the GOP ticket compared to the alternative. When people who are not robots for Obama get in the voting booth, I'm pretty confident they'll make the right choice.

re: #194 Intrepid

I'm starting to see what they were talking about over on the Hillary Clinton forum. They've been fighting Obama since the democrats' primary, and they've developed rather thick skin. When the polls come out and the news looks bleak, that just encourages them to get out and work harder and do more in order to turn it around.

In a couple of threads over there they've been bemoaning the fact that many, many republicans/conservatives seem to be losing hope and going on "doom and gloom" all over the place, and it appears they are correct.

It's here, it's on Hot Air, it's on Ace's site, Powerline, Rhiel-World View - even some on Michelle Malkin. Lots of second guessing the Palin choice and beating up on McCain for his stance on the economic bailout issue.

And it appears to be working; instead of the incredible surge in momentum throughout conservative/Republican ranks after late August, we've now got grumblers and doubters.

These are indeed the times that try men's souls, and I for one am not going to let depressing poll numbers or gloomy gusses keep me from forging ahead and believing that we can still pull this off.

You can, if you want. But not me. There is too much at stake.

Excellent! Thank you!