Hope McCain/Palin are listening and reading.

I heard him say that just now. Smart guy. I am not happy with the way the campaign is mis-handling Pallin. I am furious with McCain over this bill.

Kick Ass & take names!
Stand Up & Fight for God's sake!

Like I said...grow a pair Mac.

McCain asked us to stand and fight with him,Im ready,,but when is he gonna get in this fight?

We are truly under siege, there can be no doubt anymore.

Libs are driven by hate and anger. No tactic is too dirty and no criticism too harsh when it comes to conservatives.

They treat conservatives like we treat Nazis. Gloves off, knuckle dusters on.

Try and play nice, you'll just be easier to roll. The demonizing of Palin is a vivid case in point. They saw the surge she gave McCain and went after her like a swarm of hornets.

It's amazing how often Dennis Miller is dead right.

The sad thing is McCain spent years sucking up to these people and cultivating relationships with them, all the while they were just setting him up to stab him in his back.

Stop playing nice with the, John, and pretending they're your friends. They ant to destroy you while you want to play cards and have a beer with them.

Snap out of it.

a voice crying in the wilderness............

/love Miller

We need to send Palin a 6 pack of Miller.

This is why I despise Washington D.C. political culture. It's all about who you know and who you blow. Figuratively and literally.

re: #12 rightymouse

This is why I despise Washington D.C. political culture. It's all about who you know and who you blow. Figuratively and literally.

I hear it's that way at elite East Coast Colleges, too.

And with all the pork and lard in the new bailout bill, it is time for McCain to run against Congress and NAME NAMES NOW, democrats and republicans!

Whoever wins the debate on the bailout wins the election. McCain better get it right.

Note to McCain/Palin: The MSM play for the other team. You cannot make them 'like you'..no matter how nice you are to them. They will backstab you in a heartbeat.

McCain thinks he is gaining the center by being Mr. Nice guy but he started winning when he started hammering Obama.

I am calling the campaign tomorrow

Watching what I have watched today, and listening to the Hannity/Palin interview on WABC - AM 770, I have reason to believe THEY HAVE THE MESSAGE.

-S-

re: #13 GregInSeattle

I hear it's that way at elite East Coast Colleges, too.

Yep.

O'Reilly is calling for Barney Frank to resign from the Finance Committee.

Dennis Miller is a 9/11 conservative. Nothing wrong with that. I'm a "screwed-by-affirmative-action-when-I-applied-to- law-school" conservative (1991). It just takes some people longer.

Looks like Obama has taken his dirty-tricks Chicago-machine style politics national.

But don't worry, McCain *loves* a fight.

There are two more Presidential debates. That last one was just round one where the two boxers test each other with jabs. The next one should be more interesting.

There seems to be this etiquette that her she and John are adhering to...

Gah, that drives me nuts.

/grammar police have now left the scene.

re: #17 Dr. Shalit

Watching what I have watched today, and listening to the Hannity/Palin interview on WABC - AM 770, I have reason to believe THEY HAVE THE MESSAGE.

-S-

What makes you think that? And who do you mean by "they"?

I'd love to see Bradlee and Quinn a wee bit worried where they'll be seated if they ever get invited to a White House function.

re: #20 SFGoth

Dennis Miller is a 9/11 conservative. Nothing wrong with that. I'm a "screwed-by-affirmative-action-when-I-a pplied-to-law-school" conservative (1991). It just takes some people longer.

You must be the guy that didn't get into Harvard so Obama could have a seat.

Maverick you are over the target now, time to make your run.

What will it take to move the white house to Sedona, anyway?

Meanwhile - I hope the house Republicans stick to their principles and vote against the book-thick bullshit "bailout".

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]

re: #22 transient

Gah, that drives me nuts.

/grammar police have now left the scene.

LOL, I couldn't understand 1/2 of it.

I think that the vote is starting now.

Pray, lizards, pray.

re: #19 galloping granny

O'Reilly should be calling for Barney Frank to resign from the Finance Committee.

Question,lately on U tube,seems alot of conservitive videos have been removed or been moved around,and some just dont load.
Is this just me? or do any of you see this as well?

when will McCain understand that the MSM are not his friends?!?!?

It's probably been posted already, but I received this in my e-mail inbox today from FredPAC, Fred Thompson's PAC. It's entitled Governor Palin is qualified, and it's good stuff. Now is not the time to go wobbly, National Review!
****************

When John McCain selected Governor Sarah Palin, as his running mate, the Democrats and their far-left constituency let out a primal scream that could be heard from sea to shining sea. How dare he choose someone that they and their pals in the media had not had a chance to vet (i.e. libel, slander, and otherwise and otherwise eviscerate). Ah, but it was not too late. These seekers of “a new kind of politics” poured torrents of malicious abuse upon her and her family.

Plane loads of scandal mongers, lawyers and other truth seekers became more numerous in Alaska than the polar bear, as they rallied local Democrats and disgruntled Republicans to their cause.

Here was a woman who chose to have children and a career. Aging Washington socialites weighed in with newly discovered sensitivity for mothers with careers outside the home. Here was a woman who became upset because her ex-brother-in-law had tasered her nephew and threatened her father. The Democrats and their friends had to save the country from a woman like this.

Governor Palin’s every comment was scrutinized by the media and judged against what Jefferson or Lincoln might have said. Never mind that her counterpart, the 30-year-Washington-veteran Joe Biden, apparently is unaware that America relies upon coal for a lot of it’s electricity or that he recently referred to a top level U.S. official’s visit to Iran that never happened. That’s just Joe being Joe – protected by the sheer number of his gaffes and the fact that he is Barack Obama’s running mate.

For a while there it seems the fact that so many uninformed yahoos (average people) love her was going to drive the main stream media nuts. They had a hard time grasping the fact that people like her because she is precisely the kind of politician that everyone has been saying they’ve wanted: Independent, not a captive of the Beltway including a Congress with a 9% approval rating, who will take on hacks of either party; who has the tenacity to win and the courage to fight for the long-term benefit of those she represents.

Apparently what no one counted on was that a politician like this would actually show up on the national scene. The media was caught by surprise. The media doesn’t like surprises.

Naturally, there was a backlash to the treatment of Governor Palin and cooler-headed critics have largely concentrated on what they claim is her lack of qualifications. Of course much of the criticism of her qualifications reveals the application of the same old double standard. Less accomplished governors in times past have been considered to be perfectly “well-qualified” as VP picks.

However, it is a legitimate issue and should be taken seriously. I especially take seriously the criticism of people such as New York Times columnist David Brooks who I consider to be an insightful analyst of the political scene.

He recently wrote that governance is hard. It requires acquired skills. Most of all it requires prudence. What is prudence? Among other things, it is the ability to absorb information and discern the essential current of events – the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and to understand which arguments have the most weight. How is prudence acquired? Through experience. Experience allows a leader to judge what is important and what is not. He added, “Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter.” (cont'd)

no, sorry. Reid is bloviating and pontificating.

my bad.

re: #31 unrealizedviewpoint

O'Reilly should be calling for Barney Frank to resign from the Finance Committee to be indicted.

They're saying on Hannity that they are expecting the bill to pass with 10 or 15 votes to spare.

Yes, I agree they need to get tougher and communicate to America that Obama is not a moderate. He is going to play this hands off game as far as he can. It will leave him with a margin of undecided that are swayed by his charisma.

re: #25 galloping granny

You must be the guy that didn't get into Harvard so Obama could have a seat.

Funny, but it's worse -- I couldn't even get into UC/Davis (ranked 50 by U.S.Snooze) but got into Boston U. (ranked #25, but faculty ranked top 5) even though I was a Cal. resident and gradumacated cum laude. What I tell people today when they push for pro bono -- give it to the person who took my spot at Davis (or Hastings, my pref.) because of race/gender/sexual orientation. :-P Not kidding.

I don't understand. The left hates McCain already along with the msm. So what does he have to lose if he votes against it. If most Americans don't want it, why doesn't he vote against it. Go all in John.

re: #32 Oldasdirt

I thought I was being paranoid!

(Just because you are paranoid, does not mean they are not out to get you .)

If McCain votes for this...he is no better than the rest of em

Miller is right that Palin and McCain ought to take the offensive more frequently and realize that the media is doing them no favors. At the same time, antagonizing Ifill at this point from the campaign directly isn't going to amount to much.

Let Ifill do her thing. The media can only spin Biden's gaffes so much should he make one at the debate. And he will. It's inevitable. Since when exactly has Biden excelled at a debate? After all, if Biden were truly as skilled as people think, why isn't he the nominee? He's the one with the supposed experience and tenure in DC.

That hasn't helped him against others, including the inexperienced Obama.

Why is everyone going with the negative waves? People are going to tune in to see Palin and how she handles things. So, now we get to see how he deals with Palin. And how Palin responds to the pressure of a national debate. I expect there to be jitters, but she'll get her shots in. And I actually think she'll win quite handily and put to rest all the quivering conservatives who think that she's not up to the task, and she'll expose the media bias again.

What should be her theme? Well, national security, energy, and the economy - and that all three are related to each other and that the Democrats - including Biden - have undermined all three time and time again because of their disastrous decisions.

And she should attack from the outset and not let up. Tell her to go after Biden for all that experience and ask him if he's the solution, how come his name is attached to all the problems - voting for all the financial bills that got us to his point? He's not part of the solution. He's the problem. Or at least one of many Senators who continue to be a problem by pushing failed economic doctrine in the name of affordable housing (for example).

You know, I really hate Colmes.

And the scary thing is that many senators haven't read the damn legislation!

McCain & Co. had better start treating this like a war...and SOON! I just e-mailed Charles on this one: Dish network now has a channel #73 listed as "BT-15". It is running,according to the info screen,Barrack Obama's Plan for America! As far as I can tell,it is going non-stop. Republicans has better get their poo-poo together fast.

(cont'd)
One can hardly disagree with the desirability of our leaders having the qualities that Brooks describes (putting aside the question of how many of our leaders who are not Sarah Palin have demonstrated these qualities). But there are other important qualifications, such as will, courage, and determination. Frankly, an infusion of these qualities into our body politic is desperately needed – not just to raise hell with the establishment, but to speak the hard truth about unpleasant choices facing our country. To push for choices that will, in the long term, benefit our country, our children and our grandchildren. In other words, things which “prudent” leaders are all too often reluctant to do.

For many years we have failed to address looming problems that will prove catastrophic to our nation. It’s not because we are bereft of leaders with great experience. And it is not because they do not understand the “essential current of events.” They know these things all too well. It is because they do not have the political courage to do anything about it.

Recently, a Washington Post editorial pointed out that even before the recent financial crisis on Wall Street, the Government Accountability Office issued a report declaring the federal government on an “unsustainable long term fiscal path.” This was primarily due to the projected cost of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, brought on by an aging population. We will be spending $41 trillion dollars more on these entitlements in the next 75 years than we will receive in payroll taxes and premiums, although the crunch will actually begin much sooner than that. And we already owe Japan and China about $500 billion each.

David Walker, the former Comptroller General of the United States calls this problem much larger than the recent financial rescue plan. In fact he calls it the “super sub-prime crisis.” Which bring me to the current sub-prime crisis.

Wall Street and Washington were full of people who were “qualified and experienced” in the field of finance. Sen. Barack Obama, for one, has a great deal of experience in the housing field. So do many of his closest advisers. I would have traded some of that experience for a few more leaders with less experience and more courage to buck the establishment and tell the truth about what was happening.

This brings me back to Governor Sarah Palin, and why I say that courage and political will are at the very top of the “qualification” requirements for today’s leaders. So the question is, how does Sarah Palin compare on that score with Biden and Obama, for that matter? Very well, I’d say.

If they both just say the other will give lower taxes Obama is better off.
Obama has Charisma, McCain has honesty, Biden has experience, Palin is forthright. The truth needs to come out for all 4 and be presented to the public for the voter to choose. The MSM should not be allowed to hide Obamas anti American friends by focusing on tabloid rumors about Palin.

Ok, folks...start deluging your house reps with a big fat NO! call and emails.

You always get more of whatever you subsidize. That is how we ended up with so many failed financial institutions. Our Government subsidized those failures. That is why more subsidies will not fix the problem.

Palin needs to go do her thug thizzle!

/I'm sorry. I really, really am.

MSNBC is having a poll to see if Ms Ifill should step down from tomorrows debate Ifill is losing Help her make up her mind, visit and get into the poll

There seems to be this etiquette that her and John are adhering to

It's called "reach across the aisle," and get it stuck in your ass. If McCain hasn't figured it out by now, I don't know what more it will take.

Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis

/did someone mention Barney Frank?

I like the cut of his jib!

re: #51 cybermonk

MSNBC is having a poll to see if Ms Ifill should step down from tomorrows debate Ifill is losing Help her make up her mind, visit and get into the poll

Voted!

Karl Rove now on H&C - I'm having trouble understanding a lot of what he's saying, so that means I need some brain lubrication (i.e. adult tasty beverage)

BRB

re: #51 cybermonk

Voted.

re: #23 galloping granny

What makes you think that? And who do you mean by "they"?

gg -

I mean McCain AND Palin. gg- did you see the Des Moines Register interview with McCain?

-S-

Obama spoke on the senate floor to say he's voting for the bailout. IN ADDITION, along with the bailout he wants an immediate stimulus check for all Americans so they can buy food and stuff. So on top of $700 billion, he wants to add another how many billions?

He's nuts. And he probably hasn't even read the bill. If he did read it, you know he didn't understand it.

They have started the vote

I just saw this too....Dennis Miller is awesome......and as another stated, always SO RIGHT!
McCain should hire him!
Cause it's obvious McCain doesn't have a clue....either he's getting VERY bad advice from his campaign managers or he is just so stubborn, he's not taking anyone else's advice. Trying to stay above the fray is a LOSING proposition!

If it were me, I'd be going after Obama full bore......no subject out of bounds! And I'd make sure everyone knows it! If I was going to go down, I would take Obama with me!

I have emailed the McCain website at least 4 times today.....in hopes that someone may be listening! I think it's futile. So many people here have much better advice for this loon that what he's been getting. They are totally out of touch!

That being siad, I have also not given up yet and actually volunteered today making phone calls for McCain....even though I was soooo pissed off about Gwen Ifill and McCain's total lack of concern about her.....is he so frickin stupid that she can give an impartial interview......knowing that she'll get a payout if Obama wins! I told the people working in the campaign headquarters here in West Palm Beach (liberal land!).

I really think we're doomed.....so many opportunities to fight back and McCain just smiles and tries to be polite.....crap! I'm pissed!

I never catch anything Miller ever references.

re: #43 lawhawk

I too tire of the gloom and doom. For Pete's sake, we could let the debate happen first.

Plus, Palin is way ahead at the start. Biden was a weak and cynical choice, and the knots in his table legs are well known. KICK AT THEM.

I kinda liked this roughly paraphrased comment:

Ifill to Palin: What's the geopolitical indifferentiation vis-a-vis you being a stupid wench?

Palin to Ifill (per Miller): What kinda Hope Diamond-sized piece of crap question is that?

Biden did not vote.

re: #43 lawhawk

Let Ifill do her thing. The media can only spin Biden's gaffes so much should he make one at the debate. And he will. It's inevitable. Since when exactly has Biden excelled at a debate? After all, if Biden were truly as skilled as people think, why isn't he the nominee?

------------------
After 30 years in Congress, Biden can't call for change, but if he did it would be the smallest tax increase he's ever supported.

Now, the Senate is voting.

Damn.

re: #45 WayDownSouthInBama

But does it make sense? Or is it a loop of I will bring change and hope and I hope about change because my change is good (hopefully) and did I mention change? and more money to everyone except rich folks.

Offtopic - Yay! I can read the posts again. Whatever Charles did to the server had me blocked. It didn't matter if I tried to read using Maxthon or FireFox browsers (with auto-refresh turned off) or FeedDemon rss reader. Hopefully whatever changed tonight will stay that way in the future.

My Sen. Obama supporting relatives are worried that Sen. McCain will start a big war. They are unaware of anything like a puma pac. I advised them to vote Sen. McCain at the top and donkey the rest of the way down. Because I think Sen. Obama will actually be the one to put us into a big war via his lack of experience.

Well a year ago we were 1 for GOP, 3 for DEMs. Now we are 2 for McCain/Palin and 1 for Hilary and one for Obama.

re: #55 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Voted!

Me too, it's now 70-30 saying it was a bad idea to have Ifill moderate the debate because of her conflict of interest.

What say you Senator Obama?

Present!

re: #65 Reno911

Biden did not vote.

Well color me shocked. Not.

re: #58 Dr. Shalit

gg -

I mean McCain AND Palin. gg- did you see the Des Moines Register interview with McCain?

-S-

I don't think so.

re: #51 cybermonk

MSNBC is having a poll to see if Ms Ifill should step down from tomorrows debate Ifill is losing Help her make up her mind, visit and get into the poll

I almost voted for "her record speaks for itself!"

Caught my self in time, her record does speak for it's self.

Maybe McCain's just waiting? wearing out all Obamas tired old arguments then POW hit him hard with a barrage of assault over the week before the election then its 5 4 3 2 1 down for the count for Barry. his goon squad will never recover.

re: #51 cybermonk

MSNBC is having a poll to see if Ms Ifill should step down from tomorrows debate Ifill is losing Help her make up her mind, visit and get into the poll

Just voted,saw it was 70% she should not.

re: #67 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Now, the Senate is voting.

Damn.

Will Mr. Smith please stand up and filibuster.

re: #65 Reno911

Biden did not vote.

God damned coward. I bet Obama wont either.

I'm watching the senate debate.
It's become a complete "kitchen sink bill". One of the templates used by the opponents of the bailout bill was telling them to increase the FDIC's coverage instead.
So they threw that in the bill. As well as every single thing they think is popular with the electorate.
The real battleground is in the house. Hopefully they'll stick to their guns.

re: #51 cybermonk

MSNBC is having a poll to see if Ms Ifill should step down from tomorrows debate Ifill is losing Help her make up her mind, visit and get into the poll

With over 100,000 votes already, I don't see that one trending in the other direction any time soon. I wonder how long before they bury it?

re: #79 galloping granny

God damned coward. I bet Obama wont either.

Fox News is running that Obama said he is voting for it.

Palin this, Palin that.

What will cost McCain this election is his unwillingness to drop this bipartisan garbage and let it all hang out.

Why the HELL should Sarah Palin NOT mention the 7-11 dig? Or the "clean, articulate" comment? Republicans' careers have been ended for less.

John McCain spent his career catering to these bastards and now look how they treat him. It's all really shameful. For God's sakes, man - if you're gonna go out, do it with your guns blazin'.

-WFH

Cooking and watching....can't burn the eggs and sausage.

I say kick over the Ifill Tower. She wants to write a puff-piece cheerleading book about her favorite demagogue politician. Thats fine. But not if she still wants to be employed as a "journalist".

Mrs. Clinton - Aye. Sort of expected that.

Current total 15 Aye 4 No.

I wash my hands...Mac is no more for me and my family than Obama is. I am so damn mad, i could spit..or hurl, or something.

re: #78 jcm

Will Mr. Smith please stand up and filibuster.

Feinstein is available. Rarely shuts up.

re: #43 lawhawk

I agree, lawhawk.

Also- if he's too hard on Sarah, he'll look lie a bully. I really want to see Sarah mention something about how 0bama & biden both voted for the "bridge to nowhere" when they could have sent that money to Katrina relief. That would be a great blow.

I still think gas prices and a fiscally responsible Washington are winning messages. We have three more debates to hear it from our team.

I remember a while back we all thought McCain wasn't doing enough to fight for this election, and he surprised us all with Sarah and some great ads. His current ad is putting the financial crisis squarely on the democrats, and I think it's what he had to do. Zogby still has this race within two. It's closer than we're being led to believe by other polls. I'm not going to despair until we've lost.

Does McCain need to fight? Yes. Does he have the time to? Yes. This is what the media wants us to feel like- down and hopeless. Fuck them- I'm fighting and I bet McCain will too.

I've said it before, I'll say it again; John McCain should stop being a senator and start being a candidate for President. Get out of the comfortable rut. There is no "aisle" to reach across when you are president, no aisle even on your own side, as Lyndon Johnson ultimately found out when he tried to be a super Senate Majority Leader while in the White House.

As for Sarah Palin, if they have indeed gotten rid of the Bush cattle herders who were apparently sitting on her, so much the better. As for the conservatives who are apparently trying to establish cred with the Bos-Wash corridor elites, well, I am reminded of William F. Buckley Jr. 's lamenting conservatives' tendency to eat their own.

re: #84 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Cooking and watching....can't burn the eggs and sausage.

Watch the toast too! Can't have it getting too cool so the butter won't spread on it right.

Any sliced tomatoes?

33 Aye 5 No

re: #80 Emperor Bob

I'm watching the senate debate.
It's become a complete "kitchen sink bill". One of the templates used by the opponents of the bailout bill was telling them to increase the FDIC's coverage instead.
So they threw that in the bill. As well as every single thing they think is popular with the electorate.
The real battleground is in the house. Hopefully they'll stick to their guns.

The House wants desperately to get out of there to go home and campaign. We all need to make it clear that if they pass the thing they had better pack their bags because they won't be going back to Washington.

We need to pound them with just one message starting tonight and continuing through the week. No nice arguments, no reasons to not like the bill - just this:

Dear Representative _______, if you vote for this bill I will vote against you on November 4.

re: #68 ArmyWife

But does it make sense? Or is it a loop of I will bring change and hope and I hope about change because my change is good (hopefully) and did I mention change? and more money to everyone except rich folks.

Honestly,I couldn't bring myself to do any more than look at the information screen. But I believe you have to be right. How could it do anything else? What amazes me is how many people fall for his crap. But then again,I was amazed at the Jim Jones followers too.

Leiberman Aye

Obama voted yes

McCain voted yes

Liddy Dole voted NO

Sessions NO

Shelby NO

Roberts NO

Tester NO

Vidder NO

Wicker NO

Biden YES

McCain Aye

re: #83 wong fei hung

John McCain spent his career catering to these bastards and now look how they treat him.

And there it is in a nutshell. Nice guys finish last.

re: #91 Intrepid

Watch the toast too! Can't have it getting too cool so the butter won't spread on it right.

Any sliced tomatoes?

Better than sliced tomatoes...fried green,baby!

The One Aye

is that the shell or the actual vote on the bill

BTW, if this monstrosity passes the Senate outside the rules like this, Major Garrett says that the House must pass exactly the same bill.

Graham YES

40 Yah 15 Nay

44- 19 passing now

re: #96 CyanSnowHawk

Leiberman Aye

This one is not the vote on the actual bill. This is the vote that will put the bill up for the real vote.

I seem to be a lonely voice here.

Part of why I admire McCain is because he reaches across the aisle. He seems to be one of the few who remembers we are Americans first - and Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Blacks, Whites, wealthy, middle class, poor, urban, rural and so forth - afterwards. Is everyone saying that McCain should get down in the gutter and fight dirty because Democrats and the MSM do?

Not sure what the answers are. The New York Sun folded yesterday; one lone voice in that city fighting all the liberal journalistic establishment.

Much of what McCain/Palin's trouble stems from is an entire journalistic machine that is literally on the other guy's side. People complain about Gwen Ifill - rightfully so - moderating the debate tomorrow night. But - there aren't lots of good choices for moderator! Tim Russert's dead. Tom Brokow can't do 'em all.

Anyway, although I still hope we'll get the miracle we need on election day, the deck sure seems stacked against it - irrespective of what McCain and Palin do.

re: #93 galloping granny

I can't vote for any of them. I'm Canadian.
But McCain better show more judgment in the next four years than he has shown tonight. Or else I'm trading my greenbacks for gold.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Ifill has already told Joe Biden what questions she will be asking him at the debate. And that Biden has had a chance to vet the questions.

In. The. Tank.

re: #53 Killian Bundy

Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis

/did someone mention Barney Frank?

That video is unavoidable proof that most dems are corrupt and inept. & that video should be shouted from the roof tops.

oops someone switched

51-19

re: #74 galloping granny

I don't think so.

gg -

Please watch McCain - probably available on Hotair.Com.

-S-

*Sigh*

Both my Republican and dem senators voted for it.

Neither are up for re-election this year.

We're gonna live to regret this, if the house passes it.

now it's 55-18?!?!?

51 Yay 18 Nay

Needs 60

55 Yay 18 Nay

Many suffer from terminal niceness most of their lives It can almost killed you. Why? Because a commitment to niceness can compromise integrity.
Jesus wasn't always nice. Jesus wasn't nice to the scribes and Pharisees. Several times he said things such as, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
He wasn't nice when he said, “Ye make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness” (Luke 11:39). He call them “fools” in the next verse.

Jesus wasn't nice to the lawyers when he said, “Wo unto you, lawyers! For ye have taken away the key of knowledge; ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered”
(Luke 11:52).
He wasn't nice when he cast the moneychangers out of the temple or when he remained silent when questioned.
His words did not please the vast majority of His audiences. His doctrine did not placate people or make Him popular. He was not known for his niceness, but for His cutting-to-the core truthfulness.
Early on in His ministry many condemned in their own hearts by His words, and others who felt their position of leadership was threatened by Jesus began their plots to kill Him.
I'm not saying or comparing John McCain to Jesus...but you cannot always remain silent for the sake of unity...you must "call out" people who are wrong!

re: #100 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Better than sliced tomatoes...fried green,baby!

Heh - that's a prize winning supper, that is.

(I'll be over in a minute!)

re: #88 OldLineTexan

Feinstein is available. Rarely shuts up.

EWWWWWWWW!

Shriek, whine, nag.......

Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the corrupt dems do not instill confidence.

I just discovered that C-Span streaming gets into work. How the hell am I ever going to get any work done now.

61 votes Aye. It's passed the Senate.

re: #77 Oldasdirt

Just voted,saw it was 70% she should not.

Which will of course be perceived as a mandate by Ifill and all her treasonous/democrat/socialist/communists/Marxists fellow travelers as a eminent need for her to continue in her propaganda leading role. It will prove just how racist America is and how we need to be educated and forced into the awaiting Utopian salvation of the Obama....

The thing is going to pass!

66-21

74-25

74-25 pass

who didn't vote?

74-25

re: #110 Mich-again

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Ifill has already told Joe Biden what questions she will be asking him at the debate. And that Biden has had a chance to vet the questions.

In. The. Tank.

That's always my fear. The dems get special treatment behind the scenes to make it easy.

I only care how Obama and Biden voted.

If McCain doesn't want it bad enough why did he run? If he had stayed home then it would probably be something like Romney/Giuliani.

Discuss

The House better grab their balls and hang on!

EMAIL YOUR REPS, PEOPLE!

re: #131 galloping granny

I only care how Obama and Biden voted.

Both Yay.

re: #131 galloping granny

I only care how Obama and Biden voted.

They both voted yes.

As did McCain.

So now what?

Well, I for one am going full steam ahead in my support and volunteer work for the McCain/Palin ticket. I'm not a happy camper, but I feel I have no choice. As others here have voiced, I don't see my candidate displaying the incredible courage and bravery he once embodied as a POW. Frankly, I expected much, much more from the man. That having been said, he and his running mate will continue to have my undivided backing. The alternative is the stuff of my wort nightmares - an Obama presidency.

Didn't someone say Obama is the one not voting? Here's the ad:

Not even Present

re: #136 Who Watches the Watchmen?

So now what?

Welcome to the NWO comrade.

Roll call starting.

Sorry, he was there?

Tomorrow we better see some serious negative crap come out about Obama. Take the friggin gloves OFF.

I think one of the debating issues should be the integrity of the moderators.

The Obamanation voted

AYE, baby.

re: #138 lifeofthemind

Didn't someone say Obama is the one not voting? Here's the ad:

Not even Present

He voted Yay.

re: #71 Intrepid

Me too, it's now 70-30 saying it was a bad idea to have Ifill moderate the debate because of her conflict of interest.

Thing of the matter is... are they going to listen to an internet poll like this?

I'd say... possibly, but I'm not holding my breath. :D

re: #145 CyanSnowHawk

He voted Yay.

Aye rather.

re: #137 Cartman

wort nightmares?

Better get that treated man, they have drops or something now.

The broke into broadcasting today to have Obama (The Great) and talk about HIS bill and all HIS idea. Socialist Bernie Sanders was seated behind him.

Somewhere Soros is smiling. Friggin ass.

There is a disconnect between the question & answers in MSNBC's survey.

Do you think PBS' Gwen Ifill was a smart choice to moderate the vice presidential debate?
Yes, her stellar political record speaks for itself.
No, there is a clear conflict between her moderating duties and the book she's authoring.

They survey answers are geared toward the (obvious) conflict of interest, yet the question disingenuously asks if she was "a smart choice."

re: #117 taxfreekiller

Because the Pres. is showing his "compassionate" side. The side which lets itself be swayed by sentiments into doing the stupidest of things.

I've always found funny that logic is reversed when it comes to government action and inaction. Committing a murder is worse than failing to stop one. But the government will be voted out of office ten times for letting something bad happen for every one time it gets thrown out for worsening things through intervention.

re: #148 lifeofthemind

wort nightmares?

Better get that treated man, they have drops or something now.

Wort is mashed malted barley.

He's having nightmares about his homebrew being ruined.

re: #139 CyanSnowHawk

Welcome to the NWO comrade.

The guns will be gone by March.... and despite what everyone says, NO ONE will do a thing about it.

What does the House vote on now? What about all the other divisions of the Senate bill that weren't in the House version (270 pages worth)?

re: #154 DoubleU

The guns will be gone by March.... and despite what everyone says, NO ONE will do a thing about it.

Ha.

re: #148 lifeofthemind

Hey, I can't help it if the spell checker here is not quite up to snuff. Gimme a break. ;)

re: #5 Oldasdirt

McCain asked us to stand and fight with him,Im ready,,but when is he gonna get in this fight?

Soon as he finishes his nap? == Ready to fight too.

It's a shame one misspelled word can ruin an entire post. Sigh.

re: #155 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What does the House vote on now? What about all the other divisions of the Senate bill that weren't in the House version (270 pages worth)?

The vote they just finished was to put the 450 page bill on the floor. The vote on that is being done now.

The House has to vote on exactly this same 450 page bill that not one single soul has read every word of.

re: #159 Cartman

It's a shame one misspelled word can ruin an entire post. Sigh.

Not for me. I still respect your authori-tie.

re: #158 guzziguy

The citizens have been napping for years, no one is going to fight.

re: #156 OldLineTexan

Seriously, you won't need your guns or your money when O is in charge.

Upthread march

re: #163 jak

Seriously, you won't need your guns or your money when O is in charge.

LOL, that is what they tell me, isn't it?

Alan Colmes is grasping.

The corrupt dems must pay - and all they have are lies to protect them.

re: #21 looking closely

But don't worry, McCain *loves* a fight.

I hope the hell you are right.

OT. Nothing I could find could back up what we were talking about this morning (Bureau of Prisons, DOJ, U.S. Code, CFR). I called the relative but no return call yet. I am beginning to think your "overwhelemed with paperwork" statement was right. I know they go through an Admission and Orientation process and who the hell knows what they get told. All I know is I feel like a fool.

re: #154 DoubleU

Oops. Time for a deep breath Hawk. My quip was a little premature, it has only passed the Senate, now the House gets to betray us, then the President, before it becomes law.

It may be telling though, that as I typed the above, I misspelled 'deep' as 'death'. I think I am coming down on the side of "no I don't want this bailout." Perhaps my confusion is beginning to clear on the matter.

re: #162 DoubleU

Exactly. The mainstream American has become content to just be a spectator. Unfortunately, the left in this country doesn't share that malady.

re: #83 wong fei hung

Palin this, Palin that.

What will cost McCain this election is his unwillingness to drop this bipartisan garbage and let it all hang out.

Why the HELL should Sarah Palin NOT mention the 7-11 dig? Or the "clean, articulate" comment? Republicans' careers have been ended for less.

John McCain spent his career catering to these bastards and now look how they treat him. It's all really shameful. For God's sakes, man - if you're gonna go out, do it with your guns blazin'.

-WFH

you're so right and Rush has been saying this since day one, STOP THE STUFF ABOUT REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE! it doesn't work. people aren't clamoring for more reaching out, when you do they cut off your arm or stab you in the back anyway. fight John, say the truth, cut out the pork, quit trying to get people to like you by being Mr Nice Guy.

Change!

Reform!

Hope!

Country First!

They are, in the end, just words.

That's what I love about this country, every now and then the politicians have to take a side, and when they do...we see them for what they are.

I suspect he's keeping it cool because he has a legendary temper and if he gets tough, they'll bring out the stories on when he blew his stack and cussed out everyone and see he's not Presidential material. The old rock and a hard place problem. Or Iraq and a hard place.

Just left a quick note at the McCain site.

"I thought McCain was against pork? He just voted for a huge pile of it."

re: #168 CyanSnowHawk

I am sure it will pass.

re: #168 CyanSnowHawk

And even more premature, apparently that was just the vote to bring it to the floor. I'm too anxious for doom apparently. Later all.

re: #169 Cartman

Exactly. The mainstream American has become content to just be a spectator. Unfortunately, the left in this country doesn't share that malady.

As long as American Idol is on and they have their X-boxes it doesn't matter... after all someone else will pay for it.

re: #175 CyanSnowHawk

I have been watching too much of the financial crap... maybe I just need a break, but I have lost faith.

re: #179 taxfreekiller

Reid, your a small shit pile.

More like a 3-ton dung heap.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]
that/

Sigh...and the arse kissing begins....

Call your house reps, lizards. Call em'.

Come on here, it's not like this is serious. Think of it this way, the average deficit component owed by each household has only been increased by about 33%. Of course, since only about half of the households actually pay taxes, so its more like a 66% increase for those of you who work. Besides, we'll pass it on to our kids and grand-kids with interest and devalued dollars, so it really isn't like it's real money.

re: #176 DoubleU

As long as American Idol is on and they have their X-boxes it doesn't matter... after all someone else will pay for it.

Sad but true.

We now know that at least half of America would welcome a socialist dictator as "change" as long as it didn't interfere with Oprah and Entertainment Tonight.

Couric in that Palin interview a few threads back, driving her question again and again 'Do you believe global warming is man made?" —

It just hit me what it reminded me of:

IMHO it was a religious test for holding public office —

something forbidden by the Constitution

Article VI, last paragraph.

*snort*

re: #186 nightintheruts

Some one else will do it!
People are very happy to give up everything.

Remember
Communism is enslavement by force.
Socialism is enslavement by vote.

re: #189 DoubleU

Remember
Communism is enslavement by force.
Socialism is enslavement by vote.

And national socialism is enslavement by one vote, one time.

I knew all along that McCain would screw this up. I hope I am wrong but this guy is helpless. Bracing for Obamanation...

The general rule seems to be that the Democrats are unabashedly evil and the Republicans are effectively incompetent. Palin seems to me to break this mold, but is doomed due to the McCain team (who would have Lindsay Graham as a spokesman) and the Obama-ite press. She'll be back in the wilderness (and without a gun) by March once O makes it all better!

John McCain needs to stop suffering fools and start calling them out. In his convention speech, McCain invited us to join his fight. I'm here; where's the fight?

Drudge had a headline from the DeMoines Register whining about McCain getting irritated and showing his temper. Good for him.

The time for politeness is over.

Glenn Reynolds and Eric Scheie are asking reader of Dean Esmay's blog to lend him a hand while he works through some hard breaks. I am donating -- perhaps you might too.

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]
[Link: www.classicalvalues.com...]

Meanwhile, Robert Spencer calls Dean a "frothing psychopath."
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]
Dean's crime? Telling Spencer to lay off our muslim allies fighting side-by-side with our troops in Iraq.

Time for Team McCain to take off the kid gloves and put on the chain mail gauntlets.

Obama is fighting to win.

McCain is just fighting.

re: #32 Oldasdirt

Question,lately on U tube,seems alot of conservitive videos have been removed or been moved around,and some just dont load.
Is this just me? or do any of you see this as well?

No, it's not just you. The leftists routinely swarm sites like YouTube, Digg, and any other place where users can vote each others' submissions and comments up or down, and ruthlessly vote down anything that even vaguely smacks of Conservatism, criticizes Democrats, or questions the leftist orthodoxy. They also flood the sites with complaints demanding that anything they deem "hate speech" be taken down.

re: #20 SFGoth

I submit that EVERYONE has at some point been screwed by affirmative action. Even those for whom it was meant to benefit. It is un-American and unwise pure and simple.

Miller hits the nail on the head. I keep wondering who is running the McCain campaign? Did they get bad advice from a focus group who told them to remain "above the fray". Their idea of campaign etiquette is from a bygone era. It's time to fight, and put the enemy on the defensive. This is excruciating.

It is commendable that McCain wants to return to civility and put the polite back in politics... however... during this financial crisis, which those of us who have done the research believe arises almost exclusively through the manipulations, and conniving of democrat office holders, cronies, and staffers, a crisis which stems from heavy-handed federal influence on lending, democratic protection of lenders, and democrat staffers actions while controlling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... during this crisis, it does not serve anyone well for one side and one side only to put aside partisan bickering, to refrain from "pointing fingers" and cede the framing of the issue to the other side.

The public at large needs to know that Obama's vp chair, and financial advisor were from these GSEs. They need to know that these men took huge undeserved bonuses by manipulating accountings. They need to know the role House and Senate democrats played in shielding these GSEs from much-needed reform. They need to know how many times Bush called for reforms. They need to know which senator stood up and called for reforms on his own. They need to know which legislators took home the vast majority of contributions from the GSEs.

Yet all people are hearing is that the Republicans deregulated banking and let Wall Street greed run rampant.

McCain and Co. need to get the message out of exactly who caused this mess, who protected its creation, and who is still taking cues from the very CEOs that they're giving speeches about on a daily basis.

Maybe it's impolite to point out that something is someone's fault, but if that person is constantly shouting that it's yours, well, perhaps politeness is a little less important than the truth.

re: #196 MPH

Glenn Reynolds and Eric Scheie are asking reader of Dean Esmay's blog to lend him a hand while he works through some hard breaks. I am donating -- perhaps you might too.

[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com...]
[Link: www.classicalvalues.com...]

Meanwhile, Robert Spencer calls Dean a "frothing psychopath."
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]
Dean's crime? Telling Spencer to lay off our muslim allies fighting side-by-side with our troops in Iraq.

You're broadly misinterpreting again. Why would you want to lay out this connection between people this way? Robert Spencer and Dean Esmay don't get along. Dean Esmay is asking readers for money to help out family members in poor health. All you are trying to do here is drive wedges between bloggers by exploiting their give and takes. Give it a rest and get a life. You are better off just asking for help for Dean Esmay and leaving off the comments about bloggers that disagree with him. You show extremely poor taste in trying to use a family illness to grind your axe against another blogger. You constantly look bad in your witch hunt on Robert Spencer.

Separate the two. Work you spencer / fjordman arguments but don't intertwine them with Dean Esmay.

Brother Miller is one of the smartest commentators on cable. I agree with everything he said. We are in a fight for our lives and it would help if we realized that the other side is not playing by Marquis of Queensberry rules.

Miller is correct as always. The media hatred for Palin and McCain is really making me ill. It has now gone far beyond Keith Olberman's psychotic illnesses and obsessions. Just check out his page of examples from Politico: [Link: dyn.politico.com...]

The United States of America has become a scary place.

re: #204 RossM3838

Miller is correct as always. The media hatred for Palin and McCain is really making me ill. It has now gone far beyond Keith Olberman's psychotic illnesses and obsessions. Just check out his page of examples from Politico: [Link: dyn.politico.com...]

The United States of America has become a scary place.

Yes I hope that John McCain now realizes that the media only loved him when he was poking his thumb into the GOP's eyes.

Memo to McCain: The Eisenhower Era ended almost fifty years ago.

You are being taken out by Alinsky/Chicago Rules on steroids. Let's look shall we?

1. Media led coup d'etat - 24/7 lies.

2. Vote fraud off the seismic scale - ACORN, Ohio, et al.

3. $200+ million in illegal campaign donations.

4. National security at deep risk if Obama handed national secrets.

5. Obama's background unexamined.

Solution - Chuck comity. Obama is the WAR candidate. Wright, Ayers, Rezko. Fix the target and attack.

Attack, Attack, Attack. John, you do know how to attack. don't you?

#154
I am not so sure they would get complete compliance. It's not not a mandate from the gun owning class bringing this fool to power.

I've been wishing for years that the Republicans would heed the advice of the philosopher Harvey Logan, who said "There ain't no rules in a knife-fight"

The Dems understand and embody this philosophy and employ it as a matter of policy......the outcome is unfortunately all too predictable