Heil!

/sarc

That dude's teeth are too white and his smile is too used car salesman-ish.

Not good. Not good at all.

"Mein Feuer, I'm walking!"

This should prove interesting. Left wing multicultural backlash?

uh oh look who crawled out of their hole in Vorarlberg. When I lived in Austria about 3 years ago these guys were just a joke, and nobody expected them to ever get anymore than 10 percent. Looks different now, and if I were a Turk I'd be kind of worried.

To Austrian Jews, if there are any of you left, get out, NOW.

This time, make sure you do it, and do it now, Israel is waiting for you.

Unfortunate and expected.

Kristallnacht again? I believe one is more than enough....

Sounds like they won on an anti-immigration platform... Now why would that be?

God help Austria

God help Europe

God help us!

I was hopeful that there was a shift to the conservateve (read right) with Merkle, Sarkozy and Berlusconi, but God help us if this (Austria) is the start of a trend

History repeats itself.

Very scary - but I think maddog has a point - PC went way to far and to counter this, its going WAY to far the other way by voting in thugs and miscreants.

re: #10 Basho

Sounds like they won on an anti-immigration platform... Now why would that be?

The other platforms, (which they havent told you about, of course), would have ensured their demise.

He looks like Alec Baldwin about 100 pounds ago.

/

imo, no elected officials are on our side, even tho we pay their salary.
They are obscene, selfish, vile hypocrites. All of em.
Let the revolution begin.

Back in 1945, who would've thought this would ever happen?

What is the slogan on his ad?

Does anyone here have the website with the name-by-name roll call vote of Senators voting on this financial bailout package?

re: #18 lifeofthemind

What is the slogan on his ad?

"One CAll ,,, That's All"

Fox reporting 65 yays for the bailout bill; it passes.

We can only hope that the laws dealing with Nazism come into effect and shut them down. We don't want to deal with the zombie nazis now or in the distant future. I thought we dealt them a smack-down that the Europeans would never forget.

re: #19 pink freud

Its being listed down one. It passed.

“the exact distribution of the 183 parliamentary seats will only be officially announced on October 6, 2008.

That's weird. Usually we know right away. Oh well.

In the absence of moderate parties that carry a platform different from the usual center-left social democrat common to all european countries, people will vote for extremists that put up front what they are concerned about.

I don't think 30% of Austrians are nazis, but I think most of them are concerned with immigration and non-assimilated minorities that are demanding sharia etc. Political correctness of other parties prevent them from making it an issue in their platform. hence people vote for those who do.

One of two ways Europe goes in this demographic disaster:

1) Quietly into the Muslim Night

or

2) Goose stepping into fascist racial murder to try to stave off the end.

/I guess they made a choice here.

re: #23 ArmyWife

Thanks Army Wife. : (

re: #18 lifeofthemind

What is the slogan on his ad?

We'll be the nazis so you don't have to.

how many moslems in austria?

re: #16 Wishing

imo, no elected officials are on our side, even tho we pay their salary.
They are obscene, selfish, vile hypocrites. All of em.
Let the revolution begin.

It's natural the larger and more separate from the populace a government becomes. There are ways to counter that, but what often happens is that a counter to the counter is found. Then the system becomes corrupt. Then comes a time for revolution.

Again, a point that cannot be stressed enough.

European liberalism has shut down divergent points of view using speech and hate laws to make the opposition to their agenda sometimes illegal and often discredited.

The result?

Because the breadth of debate is gone, you have two narrow poles of opinion - the soft socialist leftism and white nationalism.

Congratulations, Europe. Once again you show how superior your democracies are to ours.

/I don't see any white nationalist parties gaining ground here, even with a black presidential candidate in the race.

re: #29 Basho

It's natural the larger and more separate from the populace a government becomes. There are ways to counter that, but what often happens is that a counter to the counter is found. Then the system becomes corrupt. Then comes a time for revolution.

Well, I think we have arrived....

"The anti-immigrant Freedom Party (FPO), headed by Heinz-Christian Strache, former dental assistant"

Wow, and I thought the community agitator Obambi was unqualified to be POTUS.

Wasn't there a video here last night about Sharia courts in England? Maybe the Austrians got the message.

I think it means something like:" Incoming to outgoing. You are against him because he is for us."

Nope, the bill hasn't passed... they were voting to end debate.

re: #26 pink freud

Wish it wasn't so - here's to hoping the house has some common sense. And cojones.

re: #33 dak

Wasn't there a video here last night about Sharia courts in England? Maybe the Austrians got the message.

Yeah- the solution to shari'a in the UK is nazis in Austria! That will really solve europe's problems.

Is that one of the Baldwin brothers?

re: #35 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, the bill hasn't passed... they were voting to end debate.

Um no...the Senate approved that foul smelling bill.

re: #35 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Nope, the bill hasn't passed... they were voting to end debate.

I'm surprised they didn't have a vote just to vote whether to end the debate or not

The few people I know in Europe have been pissed for quite awhile about the immigration policies being forced on them by the EU. Unfortunately the
parties like FPO are the ones that are obvious in their anti-immigration stance and that makes them attractive to the average folk. Between that and the PC multi-culti stuff mentioned by maddog in #5, it is not looking pretty.

re: #35 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Or maybe it did... Hannity told me one thing, but C-Span is stating its over.

re: #38 SummerSong

Is that one of the Baldwin brothers?

See my #15...GMTA! : )

so the conservatives and social dems will have to form a coalition to keep these guys in the minority coalition?

re: #42 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The Senate passed it - now the house gets it and all its pork ladened glory.

re: #22 Perplexed

We can only hope that the laws dealing with Nazism come into effect and shut them down. We don't want to deal with the zombie nazis now or in the distant future. I thought we dealt them a smack-down that the Europeans would never forget.

To paraphrase someone who was quoted on JihadWatch (sorry but I forgot the name):

When the Nazis return they won't be called Nazis, they'll probably be called anti-Nazis.

re: #2 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That dude's teeth are too white and his smile is too used car salesman-ish.

In an Alec Baldwin kind of way, too.

re: #45 ArmyWife

The Senate passed it - now the house gets it and all its pork ladened glory.

Oink!

re: #47 CyanSnowHawk

In an Alec Baldwin kind of way, too.

I thought it was Alec Baldwin at first. o_O

re: #46 Basho

To paraphrase someone who was quoted on JihadWatch (sorry but I forgot the name):

When the Nazis return they won't be called Nazis, they'll probably be called anti-Nazis.

is she related to Auntie Em of Wizard of Oz fame?

How much of that was a protest vote ?
The message to the Establishment ;"Fix the mess , or we may get some bad people to do it ".

re: #30 karmic_inquisitor

I agree. The shuting down of "incorrect" viewpoints by hate speech laws has caused this.

In Canada, PC and the Human rights comission is starting to shut down debate. Freedom of speech should be absolute. Unlike our elites, I beleive common folks can sort out the demagogues and the asshole and the nazis; just let'em speak and we'll sort them out.

During my visit to Austria, I saw two arguments between young, somewhat drunken youths and working immigrants. Both were provoked by the youths and neither came to blows, probably because the working men demonstrated that they were willing to fight back.

All the bully needs is to be confronted and he backs down.
OTOH, if the bully ever has the backing of the state, or is the state, watch out.

Gah. There are days when you wonder why you gave up drinking. This is one of those days. You've got this craziness in Austria, and the idiocy of the Israelis willing to make concessions to terrorists who seek nothing less than Israel's destruction.

re: #44 spidly

so the conservatives and social dems will have to form a coalition to keep these guys in the minority coalition?

They are in a very precarious situation. If they band together to minimize the right wingers, they run the risk of alienating even more people, then the right wingers take over the government.

re: #45 ArmyWife

The Senate passed it - now the house gets it and all its pork ladened glory.

re: #48 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I don't see the spinning red light and siren on drudge yet,, so it can't be true!

LLAALLALALLLAAAA (running around with fingers in my ears)

re: #37 Sharmuta

No no no. read what I posted before. I am not convinced 30% of austrians are nazis. Just that the center-left parties that make up 90% of political choice to the electorate is too PC to address one of the Austrian's big concern: unassimilated muslims.

re: #48 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Oink!

"YEA!"

This is what happens when arrogant elites sever the connection between local citizens and the central legislature. The problem with the EU is that it has absorbed soveriegnty but is not seen as legitimate. When the transnational elites in America show contempt for the people they set up for extremism. That was the problem with rule by judicial fiat as in Roe, it sapped the link between the people and the law.

re: #43 Joe Six Pack

I saw it after I posted

Yours is funny. :)

Maybe the woman that made the creepy singing obama kids You-tube video could go work for the Austrians?!

Damn! Now all we need is the neo-fascists (liberals) to win here. It is the 1930's all over again.

OT from IMdb: , take aspirin before reading.

Former Frasier star Kelsey Grammer has received a string of death threats over his political views.

The actor - who is a staunch supporter of America's Republican Party - admits he is often targeted by members of the public who are unhappy about his outspoken opinions.

He says, "I've had death threats, stuff like that - mostly for my political views. They say 'I should kill you'.

"I do think people are entitled to different opinions but one of them was really adamant about it. It was about ten years ago. I'm trying to remember what it was that they were upset about. It was an odd thing from a weird person."

Ahhhhhhh......Liberals .... so compassionate...... so, so tolerant!

re: #13 ArmyWife

I concur.

Sadly, this part of western civilization lost her mooring to sanity. The drive left over the last 50 years became a hammer, and anything less than it became a nail.

I have always said, this was my fear in the long run. What used to be parties on the right side of the spectrum have become non-existent, allowing for any rationale alternative to socialism.

The far right noticed the vacuum, and they intend to fill it.

re: #57 dak

No no no. read what I posted before. I am not convinced 30% of austrians are nazis. Just that the center-left parties that make up 90% of political choice to the electorate is too PC to address one of the Austrian's big concern: unassimilated muslims.

It is possible that the mainstream parties will develop a response to this issue as a result of the number of votes having been siphoned off by the right-fringe. My theory, which I have expounded here before, is that the fascists may unwittingly succeed in moving the issue into the democratic center.

re: #61 LEGION

Maybe the woman that made the creepy singing obama kids You-tube video could go work for the Austrians?!

How much of a difference is there between them and the Obamaviks anyway? Both are fascistic and both reach back into history for their imagery. Both come from the same root.

18%
11%
Separately they are not really on the way to taking power, are they?
Together they would still not win, but they would be much more dangerous than if they remain separate.
What are the chances of a coalition, anybody have any info?

Beleive me, if the actual trend holds, Nazis is not the problem we will face coming out of Europe.

Maybe the third or fourth Muslim nuclear power will be in Europe. Give it 2-3 generations. maybe only 2 generation and a muslim political party holding the balance of power in the parliment of a nuclear nation?

A hundred neo-nazis hiding in their mother's basement won't be a big problem.

Would you buy a used panzer from that guy?

re: #61 LEGION

Maybe the woman that made the creepy singing obama kids You-tube video could go work for the Austrians?!

Why , those little crumb-crunchers give me the creeps worse than the boy from The Shining wiggling his index finger screaming "REDRUM ! REDRUM!"

re: #63 right_in_canada

Thats the kind of leftist tactic that is putting fascists in power in Austria.

re: #63 right_in_canada

Frazier a republican? Geez. Yeah, maybe ted Nugent or Chuck Norris... But Frazier?

re: #72 dak
Yep. plus Jon Voight, Gary Sinise, the dude from the "left Wing' who played a politcal consultant, can't think of his name.

#33 dak

But a recent poll by the GfK market research group showed that after Britain, Austrians were the most concerned about immigration and integration in Europe,

There is reason to worry about Brits voting for neo-fascist parties if they see their laws usurped by sharia laws. Heaven help us all if saner heads don't prevail.

re: #67 sparrowlake

I think the point is they got more than they should - it would be like David Duke getting 30% of the vote here. A valid message is being sent however the choice of messanger negates the point.

re: #63 right_in_canada

Hence, the reason for my post thereafter.

re: #65 Moe Katz

That would be good. Politicians are whore that crave votes. They whored themselves to the immigrant population (like Ken the red in London) and took for granted the regular folks. Those, I think, are waking up.

So I think you are right and eventually a balance might be found.

Way OT:

I love my Dodgers! Kill them Cubs!

OT, Cubs fans are gonna have to wait another year. 7-2 Dodgers, top of 9th.

re: #68 dak

Beleive me, if the actual trend holds, Nazis is not the problem we will face coming out of Europe.

Maybe the third or fourth Muslim nuclear power will be in Europe. Give it 2-3 generations. maybe only 2 generation and a muslim political party holding the balance of power in the parliment of a nuclear nation?

A hundred neo-nazis hiding in their mother's basement won't be a big problem.

You're wrong. They're both problems, and this vote shows that it's far more than "a hundred neo-nazis."

Why would you make excuses for this?

re: #57 dak

I didn't say the electorate was a bunch of nazis. However- they did elect a bunch of fascists. The solution to islamofascism is not and never will be euro-fascism. Are things bad in europe? Obviously. But they didn't learn from history. What the people have elected to "fix" the problem is going to bite them in the ass at some point. Now these parties have legitimacy- it's like europe has a political bi-polar disorder. It's either too far left or too far right. Reason and the ideals of liberty are losing.

re: #73 pingjockey

I know about Voight. He's got balls.

I just got back from Europe and go there regularly.....so I see it first hand....the Europeans, those with some sense and the ones who aren't buying all the PS crap, are scared shitless that their countries are being invaded...WHICH THEY ARE!
In EVERY major city in Europe, there are HUGE swathes of neighborhoods FILLED with Muslim immigrants......and they have been growing bigger and bigger since I've started going to Europe 15 years ago on a regular basis.
Normal people feel they have no recourse.....NOBODY ELSE IS STICKING UP FOR THEM! Sound familiar?! So they vote for these parties.
I don't envy them because I would probably vote for these parties as well.
The alternative is having leaders who are bowing down to Muslims who do not want to assimilate, who bring barbaric practices to Europe, who want everyone else to change for them and who are causing a lot of crime, poverty, and a third world mentality.
They are doomed....and it's very sad. Most people feel like there is nothing they can do. I have many European friends...from all different countries...Germany, Spain, Netherlands, England.....and they all feel the same way.
The Muslims are taking over......along with the liberal loons.
We are next if we don't snap out of it!

re: #74 solomonpanting

I think they are overdue.

The nation that gave us the parlimentary system and the magna carta.

Now has Sharia courts.

Shame.

re: #12 Sharmuta

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

/No sarc

re: #81 Sharmuta
The 'normal' political parties are unwilling to address the islamist problem and these nazis see the vacuum and jump in. I feel a lot of the public over there has had it with the status quo and are voting for these nutbars out of frustration. They have given these 'things' political legitimacy and that is scary.

great so the jews get screwed either way.

why a single jew decided it was ok to live in europe after the holocaust is beyond me.

its like living with a serial rapist because he promised not to rape you again.

get him pissed and well see how long that lasts.

re: #39 Wishing

Um no...the Senate approved that foul smelling bill.

and now dingy harry just praised Chris Dodd to no end. they're all patting themselves on the back for the great thing they have just done.

re: #73 pingjockey

Yup, it's refreshing to hear not all of Hollywood is drinking back the lib Koolaid. Also, Patricia Heaton (Everybody Loves Raymond) , Republican supporter.

re: #87 pingjockey

this is why we hightailed it to the new world.

re: #90 right_in_canada
Don't know her. Only time I watch the alphabets is for sports and CSI/House.

re: #87 pingjockey

The 'normal' political parties are unwilling to address the islamist problem and these nazis see the vacuum and jump in. I feel a lot of the public over there has had it with the status quo and are voting for these nutbars out of frustration. They have given these 'things' political legitimacy and that is scary.

Fascists need a space to occupy in order to acquire power. Sadly, the powers that be in europe gave it to them. It will be more difficult now to stop the rise of eurofascism- they've been given legitimacy.

re: #80 Charles

Because I don't think Nazis are really a problem, their only appeal to the population is that they offer an alternative on some of the more worrisome point. Immigration and assimilation.

Unfortunately, nazis are socialists (ok to be precise, facist) that have substituted racism for the old class warfare of common socialism.

Now you follow this stuff - the rise on nazims (spelling) - more than I do, especially in Belgium. So I'll take your word if you think Nazis have an appeal that goes further than just immigration and non-assimilated alien culture.

re: #68 dak

Beleive me, if the actual trend holds, Nazis is not the problem we will face coming out of Europe.

Maybe the third or fourth Muslim nuclear power will be in Europe. Give it 2-3 generations. maybe only 2 generation and a muslim political party holding the balance of power in the parliment of a nuclear nation?

A hundred neo-nazis hiding in their mother's basement won't be a big problem.

Did you read this part of the article?

We’re not hearing cries of alarm because the FPO is aligned with the Iranian regime. According to the Jerusalem Post, Strache “vehemently opposes sanctions designed to force a suspension of the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program.”

It might not require two or three generations to see the rise of a radical muslim political state with nukes.

If the main stream parties are not going to resolve the problems then people will migrate to the extreme. How many migrate to the extreme depends on how scared they are and how inept their other options are.

Consider the UK. What options do people have when they see their culture and legal system pushed aside; for individuals who have no desire to assimilate and repudiate centuries of Western Culture. Add in generally worsening economies for the European countries and people begin to look outside of the normal political parties.

Change is coming to Europe. Whether that change is good or bad depends on the individual's point of view. How peaceful or bloody the change will be is what is unknown.

re: #92 pingjockey

Networks are OK if you can watch the news and keep down your dinner at the same time. ;-)

OT,

I saw some Muslim kids at the local park today while I was walking my Golden Retriever. A bunch of them came up and wanted to pet him. All were nice except the one kid who spit on my dog...

Hmmm...

re: #94 dak

Because I don't think Nazis are really a problem

Yeah- I mean- it's not like they were ever a problem before, right?!

Your reasoning is disgusting. You should be ashamed to give nazis a pass. *spit*

re: #93 Sharmuta
Correct. If Iran doesn't do something catastrophically stupid in the next 5 years or so, you could see a neonazi party with a majority in Austria or some place else.

Yeah I read Mark Steyn.

Now I want to make clear I don't support Facism (from the right or left). We can still debate this occurrence in Austria without throwing accusations (this ain't the daily KOS).

I think this happened because of lack of political choice. More informed people can show me I'm wrong and that the Nazi appeal goes beyond that.

then we'll have two things to worry about.

re: #100 pingjockey

there are already hardcore neo nazi movements gaining legitimacy throughout europe, i saw a show on bulgaria and neo nazis there openly parade in the streets and no one says anything or stops them

re: #95 solomonpanting

Thanks for posting that.

This all makes better sense now. Proxy. Explains quite a bit, why Duke is attending a conference in Tehran, in bed with these guys, and they happen to oppose the nuclear push.

Iran hates their Sunni neighbors. Most of the immigration is just that.

Biblical proportions.

re: #96 richiep

The solution is not to elect bigoted fascists. I don't care what the excuse is. Europe seems to be sliding from allowing bigoted islamists too much power to allowing bigoted europeans too much power. It's wrong, either way. Reason is the big loser here followed closely by decent people all over europe. Sad.

#16 Wishing

No , that's not the way wishing , people should be going to the election booth TO VOTE OUT THE BASTARDS .
I know I'm gonna literally be shit-on for saying this but , we're looking at four more years of partisan bickering and acrimony, and this next Congress may be even more rancoris and non-productive than the last two -no matter WHO wins this election .

The country is stuck , divided roughly right down the middle and "the two camps " will fight each other to the very detriment of this country , and that also -no matter who wins .
The analogy to "Nero fiddling while Rome burns " is becoming more apparent by the day .

And no matter who wins , the other side will claim election fraud and so will start the new term of the new President , the two camps at each others throats from the getgo .

It's time for a THIRD PARTY ,no not the communist party , or a liberal party ....but an INDEPENDENT PARTY , and make no mistake , i dont think the american People would suffer another four years after this coming most contentious one passes .

Lou Dobbs has got the right idea , but until the true patriots finally get sick to their stomachs , of this ongoing bullshit and rancor , then will the time be right for a first serious grass roots movement , and mobilization of true government BY THE PEOPLE .

Ross Perot was too little too late , and not enough [ or any ] Independent Senators and Congressmen . Perhaps this term will be the impetus to get the ball rolling .
And sadly only the objectivity of an Independent, the ability to step back and witness the foolisheness of partisanship , as it relates to the greater good of the Country , can see it .

And to anyone skeptical of this notion , one hour of watching Hannity and Colmes will convince .

Hope we can survive these fools until such a day comes .

re: #101 dak

Who's throwing accusations? You said it yourself:

Because I don't think Nazis are really a problem

Own it or recant.

re: #99 Sharmuta

I think you are jumping to conclusions here mister.

My dad was in the Canadian infantry circa 1944. Nobody's giving the Nazi a pass.

The discussion is not about wheter facism is good or not. It's about what causes its resurgeance in Europe.

The current government won't do anything to slow Islamization....people are going to vote for someone who will (or says they will)

re: #101 dak

Yeah I read Mark Steyn.

Now I want to make clear I don't support Facism (from the right or left). We can still debate this occurrence in Austria without throwing accusations (this ain't the daily KOS).

I think this happened because of lack of political choice. More informed people can show me I'm wrong and that the Nazi appeal goes beyond that.

then we'll have two things to worry about.

I think you are wrong concerning the fascists not being a problem. I've said before that the leftists running Europe were backing their people into a corner with immigration and multiculturalism, and I expect it will spread if the European governments don't start acting like they give a shit about what their constituencies think. England being a prime target for fascists IMHO.

Night all.

re: #107 dak

Because I don't think Nazis are really a problem

These nazis just won a huge election. Disregard it if you will, but I think they're a problem.

re: #106 Sharmuta

What I said is that I don't think nazis are a problem in Europe today. Sure, there are always a few nobodies hanging around the subway station or in their mom's basement.

But I think there are larger problems, like Islamofacism, making headway in England. Influencing Spanish foreign policy. etc.

Freedom of speech deteriorating in Canada, deteriorating in the EU...the same EU that Obama is so smitten with...smitten with for example to the point where he feels compelled to put down Americans by saying the French are bilingual and we dumb Yanks speak just English (but is he himself bilingual?). No matter, if elected Monsieur Obama and his libtard Democratic Congress will do a full court press to get the fascist Fairness Doctrine reinstated, something Obama's European constituents would strongly approve of to be sure.

So... in 1999 who thought we'd be fighting against religious extremists with 7th century values and that the Nazis would be making a comeback? Cuz I sure as hell didn't. I was saving up for my Lunar condo. What a crazy planet.

re: #112 dak

In the end, if mainstream parties don't address the concerns of common folks, these Nazis (or other extremists from the left) will make headway. then it can get real ugly.

Right wing versus islamofacists and the common folks caught in the middle?

re: #112 dak

What I said is that I don't think nazis are a problem in Europe today.

Did you read the article?! They won a huge election! They are a problem right now! My God! When, in your mind, will they be a problem? Once blood is flowing through the streets?

As for Eurabia , their very close to the death-throes of their history and traditions .
Fascist neo-nazi groups forming is INEVITABLE . When good men do nothing , the madmen take over , because they will present a view that is more palative than the alternative which Government offers - Multi-cultural - pc - globalization , with the natives being the losers .

And it looks as if the U.K. will be the first to fall "into that muslim night ".
Reminds one of the "frog in the pot of water " gradually getting to the boiling point , whereas the frog, after waiting too long , has no alternative .... but to die .

re: #107 dak

There are many factors, but the most important one is that they are good at disguising true goals and adopting any popular cause they can. They are also very well versed at tearing down any moderate alternative parties, and if you read their websites you will find them attacking the true alternatives more than you will the Left. (remember that the left is also socialist and trade unionist, their is a natural attraction there.) The unifying factor is tribal nationalism, and you find them all working together now from Tyrolia to the Hindus burning churches in India. They are now networked, and their goal is to further polarize things.

Whether it's nationalism, social issues, anti-immigration, xenophobia, or who leads the local dockworkers union you will find them at the forefront in most populist issues, and vehemently tearing down any other party that supports that issue. If you want to know their true goals for Europe however you have to read "Nuremberg the Promised Land" and like material.

re: #117 Sharmuta

I'm also reading liberal facism. Obama fits the bill quite nicely, trying to use the Law to suppress speech. And the media giving him a pass about his past.

Wanna know what I think? I'm not worried as much about Austria then I am with the USA right now.

re: #111 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, I have a serious question.

By asking it, I am not implying anything, because we agree on this subject.

Is it your impression, that this election success was because the electorate is pining for Nazism, or have things become so dire in Europe, the populace who cast their vote are scared to the point from what has happened over the last 20 years, this appears to be the only thing that even comes close to preventing full bore dhimitude?

Seriously.

re: #119 ploome hineni

what do you think will stop the islamization of Europe?

Reasonable and concerned average citizens, I gather. Reason is in short supply these days, but you gotta hope.

re: #112 dak

You really don't get it, the nazis in Europe today wear suits, not tats. The only place you see it outwardly is in the youth groups. [does that sound familiar?]

re: #103 formercorpsman

Thanks for posting that.

This all makes better sense now. Proxy. Explains quite a bit, why Duke is attending a conference in Tehran, in bed with these guys, and they happen to oppose the nuclear push.

Iran hates their Sunni neighbors. Most of the immigration is just that.

Biblical proportions.

Historical amnesia --it's a killer.

re: #128 solomonpanting

It certainly is.

This shit is unreal.

re: #120 Thanos

Agreed. Facism is socialism substituting class warfare with nationalism (hence, national-socialism). It is a phenomenon of the left. Nazis insert a stream of racism for class warfare.

Anybody think Reverent Wright fit the bill on this one?

re: #120 Thanos

Excellent post.

re: #119 ploome hineni

what do you think will stop the islamization of Europe?

Only the nazis can save europe, ploome. Is that what you want to hear? Then you're asking the wrong person. Go ask pamela.

re: #115 ploome hineni

what do you think changed in 1945?

Nice one, Ploome.

re: #125 Thanos

It does, actually. they also get tenure and visit Venezuela and cheer Castro. Sound familiar?

We have been aware of the problem with Muslim non-assimilation/invasion for some time. Other blogs have been written declaring that action must be taken. Now, the people who are taking action are people we think are not right for leading the people (and I agree completely with this statement). So, why have the responsible people who would do a good job of leading governments NOT stepped up to the plate and done the right thing? Well, the ones who step forward (in this case, goose-step forward) will get to decide what to do. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE THINK, THE FASCISTS ARE TAKING ACTION. So, where does that leave us? Is it too late for reasonable folks to act?

re: #135 ploome hineni

Doesn't sound very reasonable. Stupid thing you guys did there.

The problem remains that there are those who give these people cover as anti-jihadists, and sadly they are respected in some circles. In reality it is like supporting a Crip to keep a Blood out of your hood.

re: #136 NelsFree

It's never too late for reasonable people to act. When you do however you will find yourself attacked on two fronts, and more savagely from the nazis if you are presenting an alternative.

re: #140 ploome hineni

How 'bout this: YOU raise the capital, run a campaign, convince others there is a problem and you have a solution from it, get yourself elected, and do your job without getting corrupted like every other damned politician. If every reasonable and concerned citizen did that, instead of taking the cowards way out and voting in Nazis to do the dirty work, then you wouldn't be in that mess.

That's another problem with facism. It promises ACTION, NOW. Just like the old 70's left-wing nut jubs like Bill Ayers. It attracts a certain kind.

The crisis is real, the way is clear, let us shove aside those that get in the way, the end justifies the means.

Europe is one of the worst places in the world, beside Saudi Arabia and Iran of course

I've posted a possible answer before, ploome. How about they enforce their laws? Or is burning cars legal in europe? How about they don't allow shari'a courts?

But what's your solution, ploome? You like to ask this question a lot, but you never offer up any ideas yourself.

re: #131 formercorpsman

Thanks

re: #127 ploome hineni

mohammed is the most popular baby name in Europe

helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

how do you stop the islamization of Europe?

I'll tell you how. Don't accommodate them. Force immigrants to adapt to the indigenous culture, rather than the other way around. Make no special laws for people coming in. Make them learn the language and laws and the culture. Those who cannot assimilate will be given assistance, those who refuse shall be asked to leave.

re: #144 Basho

Or just wait 20 years and wait for the Americans to bail you out.

re: #149 ploome hineni

how do you stop the islamization of Europe?

How come you always get to ask this question without ever posing your ideas?

What would you do ploome?

re: #143 Thanos

This is exactly right. Do not choose extremists (either Nazis or Islamofacists) as allies of convenience to fight the other group.

We did that with the Soviets in WW2 and look what it got us. Both are evil.

re: #143 Thanos

It's never too late for reasonable people to act. When you do however you will find yourself attacked on two fronts, and more savagely from the nazis if you are presenting an alternative.

IF reasonable people are attacked savagely when trying to address Islamic invasion, are we too late then?

re: #147 Sharmuta

Burning cars is illegal in Europe. So is poligamy. So why son't they act?

It's either PC or fear.

re: #154 ploome hineni

You didn't give any sort of solution. What's your solution?

re: #158 ploome hineni

...and this brings us back to topic number one.

Maybe some people see a solution in what the neo-nazis are offering, tired of living in fear and PC with their culture going down the crapper.

Give them some credit - the neo-nazis camouflage the more... unsavory parts of their platform. Not that it's something htat is unique to them.

re: #149 ploome hineni

easy question Basho..needs a short answer

how do you stop the islamization of Europe?

because we are watching this happen before our eyes

There is no short answer. Because you gotten yourselves into a tough mess. So get off your rear ends and fight for what you believe in. Volunteer at a center that helps abused women, and counsel Muslims in abusive relationships, join the police force and fight injustices, do something. You're absolutely right, throwing money at them didn't do a damn thing. Now it's time for action.

re: #154 ploome hineni

they have no gods except socialism and rampant promiscuity

Rampant promiscuity? Sounds like things aren't that bad afterall ;D

re: #158 ploome hineni

I have no solution

the only reason I care about Europe, is that it might affect us here

and they still make nice clothes

Then why should I have one? Why are you pressing others to come up with a solution when you don't have one? Do I have to have an alternative in order to think electing nazis is probably not the answer?

re: #153 dak

And even that wasn't a true alliance -- our armies never really marched side by side in any theater. Instead we said "here's lots of armament to kill our enemies with" If you've noted the pattern of US history we have sometimes supplied the bad guys with armaments to fight our enemies once they were already at war (Sadaam, Taliban, etc.)

If you want to call that alliance, you certainly can especially since we said all the right things to get them to kill our enemies. Even at that time however we knew that the Soviets were our next enemy.

re: #117 Sharmuta

Did you read the article?! They won a huge election! They are a problem right now! My God! When, in your mind, will they be a problem? Once blood is flowing through the streets?

Calm down a second there. No need to be hyperventilating quite yet. Together, this party, and Haider's party got 29% of the vote. How many parliamentary seats the will translate to, and whether the two neo-fascist parties will cooperate still remain to be seen. Clearly, they won't, between them, own a parliamentary majority. Significant gain? Yes. Huge win? Not quite.

The real problem, which many seem to be ignoring, is that Europe has a distinct lack of moderate right-of-center parties. The established parties are all on the left side of the spectrum; some just further left than others. There simply is no place for a thinking conservative like you or me to park our vote. Create a vacuum like that on the moderate right, and you might as well be drawing a pentagram on the floor and conjuring up the shade of Hitler himself, because a vacuum cannot exist for very long without something springing up to fill it.

Hopefully, either a new moderate-right party will spring up, and give these disenfranchised voters a respectable place to park their vote, or else one of the existing old-line parties will see the writing on the wall and lurch to the right in an effort to claim that same vote. If the head-in-the-sand attitude carries the day, the neo-Fascists will be the only ones winning.

Another thing that can be done: do away with politically correct Islamophilia. Let traditional Islam be ridiculed and publicly reviled. Then the social pressure will drive assimilation and acculturation by succeeding generations. This is how immigrant cultures have always been absorbed. For instance, dialect humor. You don't want to talk like some comedian with a funny accent so you work on losing your accent. You don't want to seem like a DP. Let there be social pressure to assimilate.

re: #155 NelsFree

Nope. I hear all the hysteria, but I don't see people in Europe demanding that their laws be enforced uniformly.

re: #167 ploome hineni

I want nothing to do with them

but that;s me

Fine, then hide in Antarctica or something.

Public supervision of what goes on in the mosques is one partial solution that has received attention in some places and been implemented at least in Holland.

I think there's quite a few things that can be done. Necessary to study up on the subject and what some European countries have already managed to do.

re: #174 Moe Katz

Any examples on what has been done?

I wonder if Zucker's creepy video of the kids singing had been translated into German yet. He might have a customer...

re: #161 ploome hineni

Certainly. We assimilated millions of English speaking proud Americans for generations. Whats changed is the spoiled leftist takeover in Government who do not love this country or our culture and have been working diligently for years to destroy it. Millions of unassimilated people with no investment in American culture weaken it, which is the aim of leftists.

My solution? I guess somebody might ask. Got none right now. I'm sitting in my living room in Canada swilling beer. you think I'm gonna spring the Ultimate Solution for troubles in that god forsaken continent that threw two generations of my family in a couple of World War?

Even when Muslim armies were beseiging Constantinople and Vienna, these Europeans were still plotting and scheming against each other ('specially the French). Ditto the Nazis.

Now we're in the middle east trying to clean up a mess left by European colonial powers. Do I want my son to go over to Europe to fight Nazis like my Dad did?

I think we should let Europe stew.

re: #175 ploome hineni

when I need an idiot to give me advise, I will ask you

Should I show you a mirror... so you can see yourself?

You don't get to choose the world you live in. If you don't like the ways Muslims act you can do something about it or you can hide and complain.

re: #180 ploome hineni

and the muslims are not in America to assimilate, they are here to dominate

That would change right now, real quick, and right away.

re: #165 Thanos

Agreed. I just get annoyed when the Russians bring out the "great patriotic war" bullshit.

I remind them (if there are any around) that they carved up Poland, attacked Sweden and had a non-agression pact with Hitler while we were fighting the Battle of Britain.

re: #176 formercorpsman

Any examples on what has been done?

Well, as I said, the Dutch have laws regulating mosques, sermons must be in Dutch, no jihadi types allowed.

I spelled out a prescription many times, but it gets ignored.

It starts with laws, and enforcing individual rights. [ I know that they frown upon those in Europe, but tough, it's the only path.]

It starts with going after specific hate mongers and exposing them, but to do that you have to be morally unassailable yourself -- something the nazi's aren't.

It starts with sane limits on immigration, like you must speak the language, must be educated, and there's a cap on any one country or religion.

It starts with going after the ideology instead of the symbols, mosques aren't the problem, what's said in them is. Scarfs aren't the problem, women's rights is.

etc. etc. etc.

re: #166 Alberta Oil Peon

You'll forgive me if I'm repulsed by those who want to give nazis a pass.

You'll forgive me if I worry America's children will have to go over there to pull their butts out of the fire- again.

I'm not hyperventilating. I'm sick to my stomach that history is repeating itself. The enemies of Liberty press on, and are winning elections. Forgive me if I'm sickened by this. But I'm not going to not speak my mind when I see people at LGF giving it a pass like the euros had no other options as if defending Liberty and equal treatment under the law is passe.

re: #185 Moe Katz

Interesting.

IIRC, I think Italy has suspended new Mosque construction as well.

re: #184 dak

Part of the resurgence in European nazism come from those Eastern European countries now that borders are open -- those most adamantly opposed to communism were always the other flavor of Marxism, National Socialism.

re: #189 formercorpsman

Interesting.

IIRC, I think Italy has suspended new Mosque construction as well.

I'm sure there are many things that can be done; the challenge is to get mainstream democratic parties to address the problem. Maybe this will start to happen as the far right bleeds off their vote.

re: #187 ploome hineni

They are not the only alternative, and that's the package deal argument they keep pimping.

re: #191 Thanos

Part of the resurgence in European nazism come from those Eastern European countries now that borders are open -- those most adamantly opposed to communism were always the other flavor of Marxism, National Socialism.

Thats a big brush. I hate communism, but I see nazis as the other side of the same coin.

re: #184 dak

Agreed. I just get annoyed when the Russians bring out the "great patriotic war" bullshit.

I remind them (if there are any around) that they carved up Poland, attacked Sweden and had a non-agression pact with Hitler while we were fighting the Battle of Britain.

_______________
Attacked Finland, not Sweden

re: #187 ploome hineni

Well, solutions are pointless if there aren't people willing to apply them. If the Nazis are the only ones willing to do the dirty work then no European should complain when all hell breaks out in the future.

I think the fight for free speech is critical too. If you can't talk about the problem you can't do anything about it or fight the brainwashing.

re: #195 ploome hineni

I agree with Thanos.

I wonder if that monster Josef Fritzl is goose-stepping around his cell like a good Hitler youth.

re: #191 Thanos

Hey you know what? I was going to make a comment about how the Nazis exploited the population's fear of the Bolsheviks.

Communism was going to redistribute wealth by force (the old class warfare biz) and the nazis offered an alternative - socialims based on a unified nation (and everything was going to be the jew's fault).

So I wonder if the rise of radical islam in europe -a totalitarian system promising deep changes - is stoking the same sentiment now that is pushing some people to facism.

re: #201 SFGoth

I wonder if that monster Josef Fritzl is goose-stepping around his cell like a good Hitler youth.

I wonder what the Governator would offer in analysis. His father was an ex-Nazi.

re: #194 maddogg

Thats a big brush. I hate communism, but I see nazis as the other side of the same coin.

So too do I, but if you don't understand that WWII was in a large part about the Black Army fighting the Red, you need to read more history. Vlaams Belang used to have a get together every year until 2006 [St Maartensfonds] where they would extol the virtue of their battle against the communists .... it's in part how they rationalize their alliance with the nazis.

re: #196 right_on_target

Doh!

re: #200 ploome hineni

You are really a broken record on this issue. Why do you persist in asking for a solution when you take no time to think of any solutions yourself? Do you think this is the solution? Electing fascists? Are you trying to get someone here to agree this is the best solution? Why are you pressing this "solutions" question?

re: #186 Thanos

I think all of us agree on that. Really, in a nutshell, adhering to what is already in place.

I think some people think that by asking questions, this somehow equates with diminishing of the topic, or not taking it seriously.

It is not. I am not giving passes, never have, never will. I have too many in my family who fought this the first time around.

I guess my answer in some of this is, am I surprised by these events?

No.

The one aspect in all of this, is western civilization has lost her way. Holding people accountable, like politicians, means nothing anymore. The sub-prime issue is case in point for that. The very men guilty of why we are here now, are the ones claiming victory on the bill, while pointing the finger at someone else tonight on television.

My impression, like others who have opined as well, none of this comes as a shock anymore. we have reached that point. The world has reached that point.

Think of what Churchill must have felt. I think that is the place from which I draw my conclusions about this.

re: #200 ploome hineni

what is another alternative?

[...]

and takes you to court to stop you from warning against islam?

Go to a law school, become the best damn lawyer possible, and defend people targeted for criticizing Islam for little or no cost.

re: #192 Moe Katz

I hope you are right.

Sounds logical, but I hope you are right.

Frightening.

re: #200 ploome hineni

Well the first ally people who are willing to fight this must accept is persistence. [of the sort that Charles has for instance] There are not any silver bullets, it will take a generation to reverse the trends.

The second are the moderates who are willing to go to bat -- they must be supported where ever they are found. Whether it's Geert, Ayaan, the Danisk PP, etc.

The worst thing you can do is support the nazis, because like I said they attack the alternatives first, look at the energy they've exhausted going after LGF for disagreeing with them.

re: #195 ploome hineni

so what is your solution?

the government has shown time and time again, it will NOT enforce laws if the criminals are muslim

and

in England, if you defend yourself, and kill the criminal attacking you, YOU go to jail

I see. Fascism is the answer. You and Geller. You just hope they'll be satisfied eating their enemy before they get around to eating _you_.

re: #208 ploome hineni

Run for office just like everywhere else Ploome.

This is not unexpected.

Europe, for the most part, went from the rule of kings directly to early forms of socialism [think Germany under the Kaiser and the like]. They don't have a long standing or deep attachment to American style conservatism -- small government [although apparently today we don't either] and individual resiliency. They would feel lost without a father/mother figure at the helm... an individual or party to which they can surrender their autonomy.

In short, they have a stunted range of political options to chose from -- international socialism thru national socialism seems to be the extent of the spectrum.

They will chose a top-down, paternalistic government... its really all they've known.

re: #209 formercorpsman

Yep, right now we are under the tyranny of the mediocre and corrupt, it's a new century and time to change that, but we can't do it through nihilism because that is just more of the same.

re: #188 Sharmuta

You'll forgive me if I'm repulsed by those who want to give nazis a pass.

You'll forgive me if I worry America's children will have to go over there to pull their butts out of the fire- again.

I'm not hyperventilating. I'm sick to my stomach that history is repeating itself. The enemies of Liberty press on, and are winning elections. Forgive me if I'm sickened by this. But I'm not going to not speak my mind when I see people at LGF giving it a pass like the euros had no other options as if defending Liberty and equal treatment under the law is passe.

Sharmuta, I'm not giving Nazis a pass. I'm telling you that the reason why they, or neo-Fascists are winning votes is that they are capitalizing on the fear that is felt by a significant part of the population that is confronted with the fact of creeping Islamization. The reason they are able to do so is that there simply are no real moderate-right parties over there that could be considered comparable to the Republican Party in the USA, or the Conservative Party in Canada.

Right now, I see the neo-Fascists more as a symptom of a structural problem in the European body politic than as a problem in their own right, although given enough time, they will indeed become that. If the European political field had been healthy, there would have been no place for these weeds to take root.

Can we do anything about the situation in Europe? I really don't know. What we can do here, is to support our moderate right-of-center parties, so they don't wither away, and leave the field ripe for an infestation of fascist thistles.

re: #207 Sharmuta

You are really a broken record on this issue.

GAH! Fine, electing fascists is the only answer. Get someone else to do the job that you want done. I'm sure that will work out great. I give up trying to come up with solutions. You're on your own with that guy, Sharm.

;)

re: #218 Alberta Oil Peon

AOP- I was not by any stretch of the imagination trying to make you think I was directing the "pass" thing at you, my friend. I think you're one of the good guys- I've never seen anything from you that would make me think you'd give nazis a pass, so I apologize if I made you feel that way. It was not my intent.

I understand why this is going on in europe, but it doesn't mean I agree with it. I think the one thing not being factored in is the rampant anti-Americanism many europeans have. The last thing I think they want to admit is that they could learn something about government and Liberty from the Americans. Or even the Canadians. I think they still consider us rejects over here, and thus we're not worthy of being given any sort of consideration for what political lessons we've learned that they could apply to their situation.

re: #218 Alberta Oil Peon

AOP, Germany is currently governed by the Christian Democrats, their equivalent center-right party. The Chancellor Angela Merkel is a Christian Democrat. France is led by a Center-Right president....

All this has happened before...
And all this will happen again.
SO SAY WE ALL.

/Pythia

re: #219 ploome hineni

If you don't care, then why do you keep asking what the solution is?

re: #221 ploome hineni

I'm serious, how many good people sit around and don't? I work on campaigns for people I like, and it's great that I'm in the US and have good alternatives without having to go to office myself. If you don't have alternatives, then be the alternative :)

Well gotta go to bed. Gotta work tomorrow.

A good discussion overall, I'm happy to see we can still debate politics, even risky politics, without being called facists. There were a few close calls though (about giving Nazis a pass or an excuse) but that is understandable- there are so many weirdos on the net and some do happen to be nazis trying to justify their crap.

It is something to watch, the race between Islamofascism and whatever will challenge it in Europe. Lots of folks will be caught in the middle. Will the EU or UN be any help? Yeah, stop laughing.

Mark Steyn sees a problem arising and thinks something will happen. He bets on form - looking at Europe's past in dealing with political upheaval is not an encouraging prospect.

But I have to worry about this November right now. It may be shortsighted, but in all its crazyness the US is (was?) still the best bet for Western cultural lucidity... (so I guess that ain't saying much nowaday).

Ack, work paging again, later on lizards.

Funny, I first read that as "Australia" .... Dumb and Dumber :D

re: #222 Sharmuta

Thanks!

And I concur with your analysis about the anti-Americanism. Europeans are so sophisticated and nuanced, compared to us colonials. ///

I sort of wonder what would happen if a large number of real moderates joined one of the neo-Fascist parties, flying under false colors, of course, and worked their way up to positions of influence, and then held a sort of reverse "night of the long knives" and purged the party leadership of the real Nazis?

Folks, this is ridiculous.

Some people who may see the situation differently does not automatically equate them with approving what occurred in this election.

I see. Fascism is the answer. You and Geller. You just hope they'll be satisfied eating their enemy before they get around to eating _you_.

This is putting words in someone's mouth. This was never said, insinuated, or given a pass.

In fact, I would bet everyone agrees with the post Thanos gave as a solution. I know I do. However, I am not very optimistic anymore. You would think after the first world war, Europe would have learned, yet they found themselves in the same situation not even half a century later.

Edmund Burke knew this. It dawned on Churchill, knowing Chamberlain's exuberant proclamation.

Just because someone feels things are not looking good, and certain events that should leave us dumbfounded, only leaving us convinced does not equal approval.

re: #223 Moe Katz

AOP, Germany is currently governed by the Christian Democrats, their equivalent center-right party. The Chancellor Angela Merkel is a Christian Democrat. France is led by a Center-Right president....

Moe, they call themselves "center-right", but the European notion of "center" is skewed way to the left. They are still socialists through and through, and steeped to the gills in political correctness. I hold out some hope for Sarkozy, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire so far.

re: #234 Alberta Oil Peon

Moe, they call themselves "center-right", but the European notion of "center" is skewed way to the left. They are still socialists through and through, and steeped to the gills in political correctness. I hold out some hope for Sarkozy, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire so far.

They are more statist than our center right, except perhaps for Quebec's, but I'm not so sure they're any more committed to PC.

re: #233 formercorpsman

Thanks for the cool-head. Easy to get into fallacies when in a debate without a moderator.

re: #232 ploome hineni

because I want to know if you are just whining

or if you have some ideas

was it wrong for me to ask ?

So you just want to antagonize people who think the return of fascism is problematic?

re: #236 Basho

Well, thanks.

I think too often, emotion gets the best of people, considering the topic matter, I can see why.

But I can't stand the game of putting words in someone's mouth.

That has been the political correctness method of encroachment, via attrition.

re: #229 ploome hineni

what a stupid answer

what do you think the English people will eventually do, with laws like that?

stop ASSUMING I want the nazis, because you have no answer
you attack me?

since it has become a CRIME to defend yourself in England

what do you think the English people will eventually do?

Who the hell said I don't have an answer? That's always your retort and frankly, after quite a while, it's why I've weighed in. YOU are buying into fascism as the answer to your fears. And all the bullcrap you spew, that seems so damn smart and pushes away so many posters, will not change that. You can just kiss my big fat ass if you think that you can bully me into supporting fascists because they oppose the Islam you are wetting your panties in fear about.

The answer is to support groups that push for a rule of law that treats everyone equally. In Britain, Political Correctness, the fear of offending, has allowed Radical Islam to have a status that is, essentially, _above_ the law.

It's the end result of affirmative action here in the US and the end result on Human Rights Councils in Canada. You PUSH for people that think that everyone should be treated equally because once you don't you get a tyranny of the minority.

Yeah, dicks like Le Pen have been in Europe sine Hitler folded. That doesn't mean _we_ should support them. The enemy of your enemy is NOT YOUR FRIEND. Wise up to yourself and _you_ start looking for other answers before you start laying your smug bullcrap down on everyone.

And by the way. Are you capable of responding in full paragraphs without calling people who disagree with you "stupid".

Thought not. Why don"t you wipe your chin, ask mommy for a cookie and go to bed?

re: #240 ploome hineni

I didn't put words in your mouth, I asked a question. Same as you do on every single one of these threads. I didn't realize it was incumbent upon me to have a solution for europe considering I'm not in a position to be elected to a european office o implement a solution anyways. I didn't realize I had to have an alternate solution in order to know that electing fascists is probably a bad idea.

You say you don't care about europe, so I'm not sure why it should matter if anyone offers a solution to your question because you don't care anyways.

re: #233 formercorpsman

Folks, this is ridiculous.
snip

This is putting words in someone's mouth. This was never said, insinuated, or given a pass.

snip

Clearly you understand the position better than a whole lot of others seem to see Ploome saying. Thanks for being a translator. Didn't know the Navy gave that sort of training out so liberally.

Thanks, Stinky.

re: #207 Sharmuta

You are really a broken record on this issue. Why do you persist in asking for a solution when you take no time to think of any solutions yourself? Do you think this is the solution? Electing fascists? Are you trying to get someone here to agree this is the best solution? Why are you pressing this "solutions" question?

It, sadly, is not that far to go from the "solutions" question into the Final Solution answer. Radical whatever is not the answer, as you keep pointing out.

What is the slogan on his ad?

"Income to get along with – They are against HIM. Because HE is for YOU."

There are a bunch of new and old FPO posters here. The FPO tends to lean towards fairly Socialist and Nationalist slogans, for some reason...

re: #248 ploome hineni

well, anyway

here is some good news

methodists

Masortis.

Multiculturalism in Europe has had a stifling effect on debate to such an extent that the old political parties will not defend rational immigration policies or cultural integration for fear of being treated as xenophobes and racist. Thus popular political positions end up being mainly championed by the extremist parties. We all know where this can lead but it seems that is putting itself in an either/or situation with two competing awful outcomes, slow integration into the Islamic ummah or Fascism.

Correction: #251
but it seems that Europe is putting itself in an either/or situation with two competing awful outcomes, slow integration into the Islamic ummah or Fascism.

Opposing fascism, opposing Tyranny, is _always_ an answer. The best answer. Any time you compromise with tyrants you lose your moral authority. Twenty years from now, if the National Identity fascists take root in the majority of Europe and ethnic cleansing begins any who saw them as "the answer" cannot, without guilt, oppose them. When you see tyranny as the answer to your personal salvation you have become nothing more than those who survived the death camps by herding their fellows in to the slaughter.

re: #255 ploome hineni

I am not sure what those are

did you see the remark Olmert made about Jerusalemand 'peace' with the arabs?

He should just STFU, he's history.

Masortis are Conservative Jews.

it all ways starts with an Austrian....

re: #254 Quilly Mammoth

Opposing fascism, opposing Tyranny, is _always_ an answer. The best answer. Any time you compromise with tyrants you lose your moral authority. Twenty years from now, if the National Identity fascists take root in the majority of Europe and ethnic cleansing begins any who saw them as "the answer" cannot, without guilt, oppose them. When you see tyranny as the answer to your personal salvation you have become nothing more than those who survived the death camps by herding their fellows in to the slaughter.

Well said.

re: #257 ploome hineni

how can he do this damage? because he was forced out?

He reminds me of a man about to be executed, preoccupied with summing up his life in a positive light and redeeming his reputation.

re: #260 ploome hineni

..my Father like the conservative shul nearour house, they served a great breakfast and kiddush

he would come home with bulging pockets

:D

:)

re: #263 ploome hineni

He reminds me of a man about to be executed, preoccupied with taking as many with him as possible..apres moi, la deluge

That's about it. Why doesn't he save it for his memoirs to be written in jail?

re: #259 Sharmuta

Thank you.

re: #264 ploome hineni

all the older men do that

too funny

You have to be careful what you put in your pocket, it could get messy...

re: #268 ploome hineni

he could have it published in England, and go on a speaking tour dumping Israel

he would be very popular

You think you're joking, but....

re: #270 ploome hineni

wrapped in lots of napkins

lol

honey cake and bagel sandwich/lox

very good breakfast

Why not? It's already bought for the kiddush, it'll just go bad if no one eats it...

re: #272 ploome hineni

I am not joking

lol

I am crying..I am having a depressing day

I called McCains office here
and hollered at them..saying why doesn;t McCain want to win this

what is he doing?

Did they answer you?

Centuries of warring with each other, culminating in the two world wars, led Europeans to pacifism. Combine this notion with multiculturalism and we now have a situation where a neutered populace can't or won't enforce the laws that distinguished the individual characteristics of Europe's diverse nations.
So who steps into the void? The only parties to advocate nationalist ideals, which, unfortunately, embrace a historical perspective we are all too familar with. And what are the common traits of these parties--ethnic purity and anti-Semitism.
I repeat-historical amnesia-it's a killer.

re: #274 ploome hineni

{Ploome}

re: #274 ploome hineni

the person answering the phone said she was getting many callers, complaining about his Iful comments

McCain is another one should keep his mouth shut, and let his surrogates be tough

I think this financial crisis is hurting the Republican ticket at the moment and there isn't much to be done. If it's resolved quickly, though, the effect may pass.

re: #278 ploome hineni

did you see the next thread

even Dennis Miller is anxious about McCains poseing

the speech he gave today was delivered an a horrible deadly monotone

I was yelling, DOes he want to win?

lol

/Iam sure they thought I was nuts

I'm still thinking about what you said about looking Jewish and being asked if you were Israeli. I look Jewish too. In some places it makes a difference.

#13 ArmyWife:

Yup. I think you're right. Europeans are going realize the hard way that if they don't move to stop Islamism's spread via common sense and voting, the Neo-Fascists will do it for them.

And then it will be too late. They'll be caught in the middle of a Neo Fascist-Saudi psychopath circus. And all the Europeans wanted was to be left alone. Go figure.

re: #249 maryatexitzero

What is the slogan on his ad?

"Income to get along with – They are against HIM. Because HE is for YOU."

Actually, the translation is, "Income for a living*. They are against HIM, because HE is for YOU."

* (i.e., a "living wage")

Fascism always starts with the handouts.