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Bailout Bill Passes in Senate

Business | Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:27:50 pm PDT

The Senate has passed the bailout bill (I refuse to call it a “rescue”). Now it goes back to the House.

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1 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:28:51pm

We still have two places to shut this crap down. Either the House or the President can do it.

2 LEGION  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:29:03pm

Shame.

3 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:29:25pm

Since the President started this, you really think he is going to veto it? For why?

4 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:29:55pm

Unlike the Senate, the House members have to all answer to their districts and face-election. I hope they do the right thing and vote it down. If we're going to have a bill, it needs to be porkless.

5 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:30:15pm

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...

6 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:30:24pm

Has this reverted to a one-gallon pail, or is still a 55 gallon drum?

7 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:30:53pm

U.S senate, aka the good ole boys club. Hopefully the House stops this cold. Boortz said it best this morning- Congress is trying to fix the problem they caused. That's like calling the arsonist to put out the fire he started.

8 red satellite  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:31:09pm

House of the Rising Fund....are last chance

9 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:31:20pm

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

Has this reverted to a one-gallon pail, or is still a 55 gallon drum?

Think supertanker...

10 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:31:23pm

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

Has this reverted to a one-gallon pail, or is still a 55 gallon drum?

Railway tank car.

11 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:31:37pm

The President is going to sign it. He and Paulson pretty much demanded a bailout package because they declared this an immediate crisis. They forced Congress to act - and what this bill contains is the sum result of the decision by Congress to treat this "crisis" as any other piece of legislation by larding it up with pork as far as the eye can see. Throw in every kind of unrelated bill and who cares about the costs.

Let's see if Pelosi can get her caucus to support the bill, or will it once again go down to defeat because she can't deliver her own caucus.

12 usafvet  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:31:42pm

I am disgusted. Thoroughly disgusted.

13 jopa416  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:31:46pm

The way things are going I am going to "Bail Out" and move to the Bahama's

14 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:32:00pm

i don't think anyone is telling us the truth.
i don't think they know the truth.

15 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:32:02pm

I would not doubt if the house drags it out because as long as it is in the press it helps Obama. Pelosi does not care about the people she only cares about getting Obama elected.

16 rabidfox  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:32:07pm

They just couldn't resist the temptation to pork it up. Way to go - no wonder Congress has a dismal approval rating.

17 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:32:24pm

The Fed pumped 632 billion into the financial system today or yesterday and didn't have to ask anyone. It's pumped well over a trillion since this thing started.

This whole thing is rhetorical.

18 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #9 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ahhhh. I see. Something a pig can swim in and get lost.

19 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:33:03pm

re: #13 jopa416

The way things are going I am going to "Bail Out" and move to the Bahama's

Please don't. In this case there is no place you can run to that won't be adversely effected.

20 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:33:48pm

re: #18 Cap'n DOC

Ahhhh. I see. Something a pig can swim in and get lost.

Oink!

/Second Oink tonight... enough to make it a tradition at USMA.

21 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:33:54pm

For that which we are about to receive we thank thee Lord.

Character? Movie?

22 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:34:08pm

Thank God President Obama is here to lead us to prosperity.

/

23 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:34:08pm

Ohio Secretary of State (Democrat or ACORN, who can tell anymore?)

No ballot observers for same day registration and voting.

Nothing to see here, move along.

24 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:34:21pm

why didn't anyone stand up and get rid of the acorn allotment?

25 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:34:44pm

re: #13 jopa416

The way things are going I am going to "Bail Out" and move to the Bahama's

I heard that after Nov. 5th it's going to be called the Obamas.

26 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:35:24pm

Yes yes, now Fannie May can resume buying all those zero down interest only jumbo mortgages.

27 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:35:25pm

Those Cubs fans have turned on the team faster than the media on McCain.

A lesson lies somewhere therein.

28 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:35:25pm

The roll call available anywhere? I want to ding the two that need some dingin'. They obviously don't listen to their constituents (ME being one of them).

29 Basho  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:35:27pm

Hooray the economy is saved! Guess this means we're building nuclear plants now and wrapping up that border fence...

30 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:35:45pm

re: #24 nyc redneck

why didn't anyone stand up and get rid of the acorn allotment?

No debate. Get it over ASAP and piecemeal fix the problems it generates later. We have a House full of slackers who deserve to be out of work - soon.

31 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:35:56pm

This bill needs to be quashed.

Friends don't let friends vote for pork.

32 jopa416  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:36:03pm

re: #25 Joe Six Pack

Hey-OOOOOO ! Zing

33 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:36:24pm

all of a sudden the glass seems half empty.
just like that.

34 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:36:52pm

re: #24 nyc redneck

why didn't anyone stand up and get rid of the acorn allotment?

I thought it was deleted? It's still there?

35 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:36:53pm

Damn. Crappity crap crap crap. I hope somebody will strip all the pork out of the mess before we turn a substantial fraction of our GNP over to Paulson.

36 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:36:58pm

re: #24 nyc redneck

why didn't anyone stand up and get rid of the acorn allotment?

From what I heard, that's part of the reason why it was rejected by the HoR.

37 USA  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:37:12pm

Mental health benefits!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Are these Senators out of their minds?

38 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:37:15pm

Phew. All the Fannie Mae crackhouses in Maxine Waters' district are now safe from foreclosure.

39 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:37:18pm

Isnt McCain supposed to be the *no pork* guy? Did he nap rather than read this bill? They are all liars, McCain included.
I hate having my trust breached, trashed.

40 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:37:58pm

the Dodd amendment - *shiver* "passed".

The fox is watching the hen house.
The #1 recipient of Fannie/Freddie campaign money is in charge.
Sleep well!

41 pegcity  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:38:36pm

how much was acorn promised this time?

42 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:38:41pm

re: #36 Joe Six Pack

From what I heard, that's part of the reason why it was rejected by the HoR.

Or at least by the Congressional Black Caucus.

43 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:38:53pm

re: #37 USA

Mental health benefits!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Are these Senators out of their minds?

Well, this is Washington D.C. afterall.

44 Beobachter  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:38:54pm

re: #37 USA

Mental health benefits!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Are these Senators out of their minds?

It'd better be for their own mental health ! They need it.

45 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:00pm

re: #37 USA

Mental health benefits!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Are these Senators out of their minds?

Cynthia McKinney, once again trying to get benefits for herself.

46 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:01pm

re: #34 kevinmumaw

I thought it was deleted? It's still there?


Probably. It looks like there's everything from fish to double-bitted axe blades in there.

47 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:02pm

re: #26 Mich-again

Yes yes, now Fannie May can resume buying all those zero down interest only jumbo mortgages.

/Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis

48 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:21pm

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

Those Cubs fans have turned on the team faster than the media on McCain.

A lesson lies somewhere therein.

Crap, they lost... is Mama Winger OK?

49 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:23pm

re: #37 USA

Mental health benefits!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Are these Senators out of their minds?

Takes one to know one...

50 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:25pm

Did MCCain just win Miss Congeniality?

51 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:28pm

Harry Reid can piss up a rope.

52 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:44pm

no, not a good idea
to get it over w/ as soon as possible.
by substandard practitioners.

53 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:39:59pm

re: #50 lifeofthemind

Did MCCain just win Miss Congeniality?

He has the friggin Princess crown

54 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:40:51pm

re: #40 FrogMarch

the Dodd amendment - *shiver* "passed".

The fox is watching the hen house.
The #1 recipient of Fannie/Freddie campaign money is in charge.
Sleep well!

Terrifying, isn't it? The man should be in shackles facing life at Leavenworth.

Ken Lay was a street corner three-card Monte hustler next this this guy and Barney Frank.

55 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:40:52pm

re: #37 USA Because that is so relevant to the mortgage issue. Hey! No house but you can go get some counseling right here...

56 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:40:56pm

With all this pork,
can they get the Jewish vote?

57 jetprop  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:41:29pm

Harry Reid 'impressed' with Dodd
/WTF?

58 HelloDare  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:41:31pm

If it doesn't have a rider mandating that Barney Frank has to wear a dunce cap for the rest of his life, I wouldn't pass it. But that's just me.

59 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:41:35pm

I think Harry is going to kiss Dodd

60 Palandine  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:41:55pm

What's the deal with the house.gov server? I have dial-up, but I can't get through.

If they've shut down comments so they don't have to be burdened by what their constituents think, that's a terrible precedent to set.

61 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:05pm

Boy, they sure are good at spending other people's money.

Bastards.

62 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:36pm

Shut up ...... hang your heads ........ and friggin walk away.

63 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:43pm

re: #48 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Crap, they lost... is Mama Winger OK?

It ain't over 'til it's over...Bottom of the 9th coming up for my Cubs.

64 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:44pm

re: #60 Palandine

What's the deal with the house.gov server? I have dial-up, but I can't get through.

If they've shut down comments so they don't have to be burdened by what their constituents think, that's a terrible precedent to set.

The servers have gone into a melt down along with the phone system.

65 Russkilitlover  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:49pm

re: #11 lawhawk

I haven't read the "new" bill. Is there a lot of pork?

66 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:54pm

Dirty Harry, Statesman. All praise to Chris Dodd.

Pass the Pepto please.

67 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:42:58pm

re: #59 JacksonTn

I think Harry is going to kiss Dodd

Where?

Ass?

what?

68 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:00pm

re: #62 JacksonTn

Shut up ...... hang your heads ........ and friggin walk away.

..lacin up my tennies now

69 Freedom Ben  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:06pm

re: #17 cincinnati_kid37

The Fed pumped 632 billion into the financial system today or yesterday and didn't have to ask anyone. It's pumped well over a trillion since this thing started.

This whole thing is rhetorical.

So if the fed is taking care of the liquidity problem, then is the bailout bill just creating an artificial price floor to "stabilize" the market? And if our tax dollars are used to set a price higher then the market is willing to pay, wouldn't that by definition mean that we're getting ripped off?

70 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #57 jetprop

Harry Reid 'impressed' with Dodd
/WTF?

The dems are all in love with each other. Disgusting.
Corrupt proggies in love.

71 Luigi  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:13pm
"There are people who are more impressive each time you work with them. And that's Chris Dodd."
--Harry Reid
72 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:20pm

re: #46 FloridaAnole

Probably. It looks like there's everything from fish to double-bitted axe blades in there.

Jesus...someone needs to grow a pair and drop ACORN from the trough.

73 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:21pm

I'm just a bill. I'm only a bill. And I'm trying to get to the top of Capitol Hill.

74 cblesz  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:23pm

I know it is unpopular and I disagree with it. I also know it will only affect confidence in the short term. It is very confusing to the average person who does not work on the street. I do. I hate this bill as it goes against every ounce of my capitalism bones...but, it is a rescue package. It is not a bailout and is not bailing anyone out.

I would not call it a rescue either. I would call it the price we have to pay to fix bloated government policies, ala Freddie, Fannie and CRA...

75 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:34pm

re: #59 JacksonTn

I think Harry is going to kiss Dodd

I'd rather watch the Cubs lose, thank you.

76 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:43pm

More praises for Chris Dodd.

Fuck you, senator.

77 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:43:48pm

re: #65 Russkilitlover

I haven't read the "new" bill. Is there a lot of pork?

More pork than there has ever been in all of Iowa.

78 jcm  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:03pm

OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK

79 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:04pm

re: #65 Russkilitlover

450 pages..and ACORN is back in. McCain votes AYE
he is as bad as the rest of the goons

80 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:09pm

re: #64 Perplexed

The servers have gone into a melt down along with the phone system.

I'll bet ! ! ! :D :D :D :D

81 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:11pm

Reid and co are talking about the bill. McCain is nowhere to be seen.

82 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:32pm

re: #54 JammieWearingFool

Terrifying, isn't it? The man should be in shackles facing life at Leavenworth.

Ken Lay was a street corner three-card Monte hustler next this this guy and Barney Frank.

Democrats are not only above the law, they get to keep their power-jobs.

83 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:53pm

re: #65 Russkilitlover

I haven't read the "new" bill. Is there a lot of pork?

Last time I saw this much pork, Rosie O'Donnell was still on "The View".

84 Luigi  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:44:58pm

I assume the numbers are turning against the Dems if this bill is moving along.

85 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:45:08pm

re: #71 Luigi


I am impressed with the lot of them. Impressed people so colossally stupid actually exist outside of the movies.

86 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:45:16pm

Anyone have a linky to the text?

87 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:45:36pm

re: #76 astronmr20

More praises for Chris Dodd.

Fuck you, senator.

And Barney Frank!

88 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:45:55pm

re: #79 Wishing

450 pages..and ACORN is back in. McCain votes AYE
he is as bad as the rest of the goons

there goes the election.

Obama will get credit for saving the world.

89 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:45:58pm

Dodd on now. I am going to stab myself in the eye.

RETURN THE FUCKING FANNIE AND FREDDIE MONEY, YOU FUCKING FRAUD. This is your fault.

...and the Republicans don't have the balls to show the American people what really happened. Even if they did, the election is too soon.

Fuck.

Fuck.

90 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:02pm

re: #79 Wishing

450 pages..and ACORN is back in. McCain votes AYE
he is as bad as the rest of the goons

Well, that's just craptastic. Hopefully the House will tell the Senate to go f*** themselves.

91 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:10pm

re: #74 cblesz

I know it is unpopular and I disagree with it. I also know it will only affect confidence in the short term. It is very confusing to the average person who does not work on the street. I do. I hate this bill as it goes against every ounce of my capitalism bones...but, it is a rescue package. It is not a bailout and is not bailing anyone out.

I would not call it a rescue either. I would call it the price we have to pay to fix bloated government policies, ala Freddie, Fannie and CRA...

freddie, fannie and CRA are bad business. it wasn't business. it was reparations.

92 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:14pm

re: #79 Wishing

450 pages..and ACORN is back in. McCain votes AYE
he is as bad as the rest of the goons

He had to. Despite my exasperation - this thing probably had to happen.
Let the democrats back-slap each other - self-congratulatory fools. They can own this.

93 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:30pm

Refresh my memory, didn't Line Item Veto pass?

Can't Bush just nix all the fluff and leave the stuff?

"We, the congress of the united states, agree to buy some of the bad debt to stem this crisis.

And a 40 million dollar dam for my county, with no major rivers or even flooding.

And 75 million for research on the left-handed giant hissing cockroach's reaction to rock music."

94 jetprop  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:35pm

Dodd: "Barney frank did a great job" getting us in this mess

/emphasis mine

95 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:47pm

"deeply proud" democrats. PUKE.

96 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:49pm

Republicans need to go on the offensive, or I am not voting. Fuck this.

97 Reno911  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:50pm

Well, the good news is we found about John McCain before he took office.

Good effort John, you almost had me.

98 cblesz  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:53pm

Chris Dodd ought to be in prison...what the fuck?

99 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:46:59pm

Congress members make me sick on TV right now praising Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

Double spit.

100 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:13pm

re: #74 cblesz


but for the money going to acorn and renewing arrow law text and giving the kitchen sink to the lowest bidder. Yep, that is going to really, really make a dent in the economic situation

101 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:27pm

BOHICA time

102 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:28pm

re: #84 Luigi

I assume the numbers are turning against the Dems if this bill is moving along.

shit!

The MSM will praise Obamas phone calls.

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:32pm

re: #65 Russkilitlover

I haven't read the "new" bill. Is there a lot of pork?

Is the Pope German?

104 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:40pm

More thanks for Chris Dodd.

That fucker should be in jail.

105 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:45pm

re: #81 Irene NYC

Reid and co are talking about the bill. McCain is nowhere to be seen.

I don't want to drink alone and right now I'd like to drink with friends. Virtually speaking this is a cherry on a cake.

106 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:54pm

re: #90 kevinmumaw

Well, that's just craptastic. Hopefully the House will tell the Senate to go f*** themselves.

I certainly have no hope of that. McCAIN didnt have the balls to vote NO.
He is as hypocritical as the rest...I am utterly disgusted, and at this point i could care less who wins the damn election: same empty suits, all of em.

107 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:56pm

re: #78 jcm

OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK

Slow down there, stud... only one to a customer.

108 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:47:56pm

re: #89 astronmr20

Dodd on now. I am going to stab myself in the eye.

RETURN THE FUCKING FANNIE AND FREDDIE MONEY, YOU FUCKING FRAUD. This is your fault.

...and the Republicans don't have the balls to show the American people what really happened. Even if they did, the election is too soon.

Fuck.

Fuck.

If it wasn't for the damage he could do appointing Judges, I'd be voting for Obambi.

109 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:00pm

it is so sickening to listen to them praise each other like they have just done something heroic. they added 150 billion and about 3-4 hundred pages. great stuff guys! where would we be without you.

how can they stand there and praise Dodd and frank over and over.

110 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:08pm

Does Dodd have pictures of these guys with hookers or something? Why are they praising him.

111 Osama Bin Porkchop  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:09pm

re: #76 astronmr20

More praises for Chris Dodd.

Fuck you, senator.

Amen.....Dodd and Frank should be wearing orange jumpsuits and doing a perp walk.....

112 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:18pm

This show boat of bullshit is how the democrats manipulate the media into believing they are off the hook.

no way - the demos got us into this mess - they need to pay.

113 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:30pm

It's 450 pages long, but the actual bailout amount is set out starting on page 40, with several conditions precedent to increase the amount to $700 billion if warranted.

114 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:37pm

re: #97 Reno911

Well, the good news is we found about John McCain before he took office.

Good effort John, you almost had me.

Zackly my sentiments, Reno

115 Reno911  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:44pm

re: #74 cblesz

Dude, it ain't confusing.

It's Socialism.

116 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:48:53pm

re: #106 Wishing

I certainly have no hope of that. McCAIN didnt have the balls to vote NO.
He is as hypocritical as the rest...I am utterly disgusted, and at this point i could care less who wins the damn election: same empty suits, all of em.

I am at my breaking point. Am with you.

117 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:07pm

Rove said that freshman dems were told not to vote for the bill first time around so they could make the republicans look bad.

118 Osama Bin Porkchop  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:19pm

re: #110 JacksonTn

Does Dodd have pictures of these guys with hookers or something? Why are they praising him.

Or he'll threaten to sic the Acorn thugs on them....

119 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:24pm

re: #93 Silhouette

Refresh my memory, didn't Line Item Veto pass?

Can't Bush just nix all the fluff and leave the stuff?

Pretty sure the courts have struck it down.

120 cblesz  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #100 ArmyWife

but for the money going to acorn and renewing arrow law text and giving the kitchen sink to the lowest bidder. Yep, that is going to really, really make a dent in the economic situation

Um, that is what I said. What you will see is a run on equities until we all understand what crap is in this bill. And, they are not giving the kitchen sink to the lowest bidder. You should understand what a reverse auction is, and what the securities are that are being auctioned before assuming...these banks are carrying these assets at an inflated value. If they sell them at a much lower value (Their true value), there will be a bunch more write-offs...therefore this is no fix.

121 jetprop  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:27pm

re: #109 alien_mind

it is so sickening to listen to them praise each other like they have just done something heroic. they added 150 billion and about 3-4 hundred pages. great stuff guys! where would we be without you.

how can they stand there and praise Dodd and frank over and over.

Makes me want to hurl. Dodd/Frank f###ed it up in the first place.

122 SteveRogers  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:29pm

I don't believe that the sensible conservatives in the House, led by Mike Pence, will approve the Senate bill that has more pork than the last bill they voted on.

And the MSM will continue to call them "far right."
Idiots!
Anymore, the only journalist that knows what is going on here is Neil Cavuto.

123 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:37pm

Supposedly there are specific tax cuts for manufacturers of wooden arrows.

What?

124 USA  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:45pm

And they have the gall to congratulate themselves!
Vote out every one of these idiots.

125 chip.litch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:56pm

I was mad about this now I am pretty much disheartened. I don't know what to think anymore.

126 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:49:57pm

re: #47 Killian Bundy

/Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis

McCain needs to turn that footage - that historical fact - into a campaign ad.
NOW.

127 right_in_canada  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:00pm

re: #83 Joe Six Pack

Last time I saw this much pork, Rosie O'Donnell was still on "The View".

Four cackling hens and a pig!

/Sincerest apologies to pigs

128 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:06pm

re: #112 FrogMarch

This show boat of bullshit is how the democrats manipulate the media into believing they are off the hook.

no way - the demos got us into this mess - they need to pay.

McCAIN VOTED AYE. Are u listening?

129 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:20pm

re: #81 Irene NYC

Reid and co are talking about the bill. McCain is nowhere to be seen.

Doesn't want to be seen after voting for that? I don't blame him!

130 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:24pm

Listening to this shit I want to puke.

131 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:30pm

Let me see, the Congress creates a monstrous financial disaster, accumulated through years of collective malignant self-serving legislation that takes the nation to the brink of bankruptcy - and then goes on TV to congratulate itself on its bipartisan wisdom!

Stinking, stinking bastids one and all.

132 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:37pm

I tried to read it and find Acorn the slush fund, where did they hide it?

133 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:47pm

No, I am still with McCain. If Obama wins this is just the beginning.

134 Luigi  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:50:54pm

Next time the US government tries to sell some paper any buyer will be looking at it in a different light.

Lehman Brothers, in existence since the 1860's until last week, committed a sin. And that sin was not greed. It was trusting the paper the US government sold. Lehman, Merrill -- these were the crown jewels of American financial power. But that was before Barack Obama and their friends. If this is what Obama has done to us before he is even elected, imagine the potential his presidency holds.

135 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:20pm

Any links to the actual bill? Anyone?

136 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:22pm

re: #110 JacksonTn

Does Dodd have pictures of these guys with hookers or something? Why are they praising him.

In Barney Fwank's case, it would be teenage male hookers.

137 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:45pm

Just a reminder - the House cannot change one iota of this bill before they vote on it. It has to be passed as is, or defeated as is.

The Senate is adjourning tonight.

138 Basho  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:47pm

re: #134 Luigi

Wish I had more than one upding to give you for that post.

139 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:48pm

re: #128 Wishing

McCAIN VOTED AYE. Are u listening?

see my 92.

140 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:54pm

i'm not going to forget this, and i am outraged.

141 Drill_Thrawl  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:51:59pm

I weep for the future

142 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:00pm

ok, i am so upset with this mess..McCain has proven himself to be no different than the rest. I gotta get away from this PC
lol am tearing hair out

143 Reno911  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:04pm

re: #119 lifeofthemind

Pretty sure the courts have struck it down.

Line item Veto?

Yeah, it passed...right along with term limits.

Jeez.

144 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:04pm

re: #98 cblesz

Chris Dodd ought to be in prison...what the fuck?

Look at it this way, once Obama wins the election, we can start calling for independent prosecutors at every turn. For example. it is now apparently illegal to fire US attorneys (appointees) and appoint your own attorneys. So, let's see what happens when barry does the same thing every president does, and Bush is being investigated for. If the stakes are increased, he might end up in prison.

145 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:05pm

I think McCain needs to man up and speak now tonight.

146 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:06pm

re: #135 spirochete

Any links to the actual bill? Anyone?


Isn't this it?
[Link: senateconservatives.files.wordpress.com...]

147 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:23pm

I am so out of here for the night. Think some of the things I like to cling to need some attention.

And no. it's not a bible or my Wife.

L8R

148 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:25pm

My rep, McCaul is against, but I'm still calling his office locally and in DC...just to let him know how against this I am.

149 jopa416  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:36pm

re: #112 FrogMarch

This show boat of bullshit is how the democrats manipulate the media into believing they are off the hook.

no way - the demos got us into this mess - they need to pay.

The problem is that Republicans don't stand up and say what the truth is so they end up looking guilty.

So pissed about this.

One funny thing though, a democrat friend of mine said he would become a republican if dems supported this bill. LOL ! I doubt that he will keep his word.

150 jcm  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:39pm

re: #107 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Slow down there, stud... only one to a customer.

ROFLMAO!

Tell that to those congress critters!

151 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:52:54pm
152 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:04pm

An appropriate photo.

153 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:09pm

re: #135 spirochete

[Link: cspan.org...]

154 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:13pm

re: #146 lifeofthemind

Isn't this it?
[Link: senateconservatives.files.wordpress.com. ..]

Looks like it, thanks. Jeez, 451 pages.

155 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:15pm

re: #133 JacksonTn

No, I am still with McCain. If Obama wins this is just the beginning.

Yeah, I gotta go there to. If he voted no, there'd already be Zero commercials out there saying he didn't step up and the MSM would hammer him for the next 5 weeks for not joining Zero in saving the country.

156 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:15pm

re: #106 Wishing

I certainly have no hope of that. McCAIN didnt have the balls to vote NO.
He is as hypocritical as the rest...I am utterly disgusted, and at this point i could care less who wins the damn election: same empty suits, all of em.

I am starting to recall why everyone thought McCain sucked in the fist place. His balls have been removed.

157 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:40pm

re: #97 Reno911

Well, the good news is we found about John McCain before he took office.

Good effort John, you almost had me.

sad frigging day for all vets.

/McCain said he loved us.


frigging sad


later.

158 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:45pm

re: #92 FrogMarch

He had to. Despite my exasperation - this thing probably had to happen.
Let the democrats back-slap each other - self-congratulatory fools. They can own this.

Why, praytell, did McCain HAVE TO vote Aye? So the bill would PASS? hahahhahahha

159 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:49pm

Oh, shut up Skeletor!

160 right_in_canada  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:53:50pm

re: #135 spirochete

Any links to the actual bill? Anyone?


Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller's Day Off ?

/trying to lighten dreary mood

161 guzziguy  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:02pm

re: #126 FrogMarch

McCain needs to turn that footage - that historical fact - into a campaign ad.
NOW.

Hell, he just voted to continue it.

162 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:04pm

none of these losers had the balls to stop this bs. turning the mortgage industry into a giant welfare system.
they wanted to be nice. wtf.
and now we get to be nice. kicking and screaming to the adjective.
lots of bad people made money on this scam.
we need to know who.

163 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:10pm

re: #123 astronmr20

Supposedly there are specific tax cuts for manufacturers of wooden arrows.

What?

yeah, there were also some provisions for Jamaican Rum (i'm not kidding)
and something called wool research!

WTF, do they think that stuff makes it an easier sell?
how does that stuff help the credit situation.

164 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:12pm

re: #150 jcm

ROFLMAO!

Tell that to those congress critters!

Every freaking day.

165 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:15pm

re: #133 JacksonTn

No, I am still with McCain. If Obama wins this is just the beginning.

True

166 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:23pm

re: #105 lifeofthemind

I don't want to drink alone and right now I'd like to drink with friends. Virtually speaking this is a cherry on a cake.

I have a special bottle of Glenfiddich 21. I'm pouring as I type. You in the neighborhood?

167 WriterMom  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:28pm

LIZARDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM

168 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:54:31pm

re: #131 The Shadow Do

Let me see, the Congress creates a monstrous financial disaster, accumulated through years of collective malignant self-serving legislation that takes the nation to the brink of bankruptcy - and then goes on TV to congratulate itself on its bipartisan wisdom!

Stinking, stinking bastids one and all.

The average American is just short-sighted enough to actually swallow the swill Congress is trying to sell.

169 Luigi  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:55:01pm

Thanks, Basho.

170 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:55:11pm

re: #60 Palandine

What's the deal with the house.gov server? I have dial-up, but I can't get through.

If they've shut down comments so they don't have to be burdened by what their constituents think, that's a terrible precedent to set.

The server probably went down under the weight of 60 quintillion angry calls from citizens.

171 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:55:37pm

Where'd all these Bob Barr supporters come from all the sudden?

172 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:55:39pm

re: #151 ploome hineni

dingy Harry and Chirs DOdd think they are at the Oscars?

wtf

seriously, i thought dingy was going to shed some tears there for a second.

173 Random63  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:55:48pm

The Beltway talking point is now that opposition in the House has softened and that public opposition is softening, too.

Kindly disabuse Washington of that notion: 202-224-3121.

My two senators split. Martinez (R) voted for the bail out monstrosity...Bill Nelson (D) voted against the bail out. Martinez is also the one that ignored his people he swore to represent and voted for Amnesty last year. He's toast. He's up for reelection next year and my money will go to his opponent no matter who they are and no matter what party. I EXPECT my Representatives to obey and vote the will of their constituents. Come November, clean house on the house and senate.

Man I am P.O.'d!

174 Palandine  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:55:52pm

Well, the voice mail box of the local congressional Republican who voted againt it is full, so hopefully that's a good sign.

I left a polite message with my own representative, a dem who voted for the last bill, reminding him it's election time and urging him to vote againt the bailout. I've done what I can.

This bill is a fraud. The collapse happened on Monday when Congress was screwing around with it. The market's been okay the past three days. There won't be any collapse. Just get rid of mark to market.

175 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:56:22pm

re: #168 FurryOldGuyJeans

The average American is just short-sighted enough to actually swallow the swill Congress McCain is trying to sell.

Fixt.

176 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:56:32pm

So does everyone who got a regular mortgage, makes their payments on time, pay all of their taxes, put the maximum in their 401k, and set aside cash for emergencies get anything out of this?

Oh yeah, the big Congress-finger.

177 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:56:43pm

re: #168 FurryOldGuyJeans

The average American is just short-sighted enough to actually swallow the swill Congress is trying to sell.

Yes, the MSM and hollywood live lavish types have done their jobs well. Thanks teachers unions. Thanks Dan Rather, thanks all.

Sure, we can live high on the hog and have no responsibilities whatsoever.

178 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:56:57pm

hasn't everybody's gramma told them that money doesn't grow on trees?

179 jcm  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:01pm

re: #152 OldLineTexan

An appropriate photo.

That's a keeper, in fact I think I'll mail it to the WA delegation.

180 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:03pm

re: #171 Dar ul Harb

Where'd all these Bob Barr supporters come from all the sudden?

hahahahhahah THANK YOU! You made me laugh!

181 palco  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:25pm

Whose administration?

Here’s an excerpt from a New York Times article on Sept 30th, 1999 by Steven Holmes.
“In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980s.

''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''

182 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:31pm

re: #154 spirochete

Looks like it, thanks. Jeez, 451 pages.

Bon apetite mon amie. May I suggest an amusing Riesling to go on topic?

183 JacksonTn  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:40pm

Obama's team already has the papers printed for war crimes against Bush. Don't think that crap will not happen if Obama gets in. This is bad tonight but it is only the beginning if Obama gets in.

184 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:41pm

re: #151 ploome hineni

dingy Harry and Chirs DOdd think they are at the Oscars?

wtf

did those assholes thank us?

185 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:57:58pm

re: #152 OldLineTexan

What you got against chimps?

186 DesertSage  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:58:07pm

This just reminds me too much of the 1930's and the Hitler youth:

Youtube Video

187 Defogger  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:58:15pm

The Republicans in the House had better ALL vote 'no' even if they lose the vote. Bush should veto it, without hesitation, and say to Congress, "Clean bill or no bill. Period."
Come to think of it, no bill would be better!

188 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:58:17pm

Nothing more than a gang rape of the average American by their government.

189 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:58:38pm

re: #176 unclassifiable

So does everyone who got a regular mortgage, makes their payments on time, pay all of their taxes, put the maximum in their 401k, and set aside cash for emergencies get anything out of this?

Oh yeah, the big Congress-finger.


Well, they can now default, with impunity.

I think that I will try to buy a house. Screw the fact that I am scrimping together the downpayment....give me my f'ing house Uncle Sam!

190 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:58:53pm

re: #178 nyc redneck

hasn't everybody's gramma told them that money doesn't grow on trees?

Apparently, it grows on your neighbors.

Note the lack of an apostrophe. I don't mean people think it grows on their neighbor's trees. It is their neighbors that they are plucking.

191 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:59:13pm

re: #178 nyc redneck

hasn't everybody's gramma told them that money doesn't grow on trees?

Only the trees in Washington D.C.

192 Drill_Thrawl  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:59:16pm

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in.

In their sties with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking.

Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.

- George Harrison (The Beatles)

193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:59:37pm

re: #175 Wishing

My statement needed no fixing, thank you very much. McCain is only one of those culpable in this travesty.

194 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:59:38pm

This is the modern day Smoot Hawley. The big fix destined to do more harm than good.

195 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 6:59:52pm

Will this ongoing congressional fiasco translate into losses for any incumbents?

It should, but I tend to doubt it.

196 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:08pm

re: #188 Perplexed

Nothing more than a gang rape of the average American by their government.


And I didn;t even get a kiss first!

197 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:10pm

re: #168 FurryOldGuyJeans

The average American is just short-sighted enough to actually swallow the swill Congress is trying to sell.

I don't think so. There is enough time for the truth to will out. Average Americans are usually capable of sorting out the crap in the system. I trust they will figure this one out too.

198 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:20pm

The demos just took our money to relieve themselves from responsibility.

We probably had to do this to stop a huge financial credit melt down.
It's total BS - and the fact that it's written by Dodd and 145 pages thick is just typical of our political "leaders".

congress members who are up for re-election voted no - which I actually think is spineless. even though I want the whole thing trashed and I don't trust the damn "bailout" package. It's Orwellian and twisted.

199 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:37pm

Waiting for 3 wood to chime in.

200 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:40pm

re: #137 Intrepid

Just a reminder - the House cannot change one iota of this bill before they vote on it. It has to be passed as is, or defeated as is.

The Senate is adjourning tonight.

Actually, I believe they can. Then the House and senate would have to meet in committee to resolve their differences and agree to them before the bill is sent to GWB for his yea or nea.

201 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:46pm

re: #166 Irene NYC

I have a special bottle of Glenfiddich 21. I'm pouring as I type. You in the neighborhood?


Only if the neighborhood is centrally located between two airports within a stroll of the Sears in the Boro of homz and cemeteries.

202 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:47pm

When you hear anyone talk about the "right" to housing, medical care, or anything else that costs money and must be produced, they are talking about someone having the right to force someone else to work to produce it for them.

That's slavery, and outlawed in this land, if I recall correctly.

203 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:00:53pm

And keep in mind, the Dems who voted it down did so because there wasn't enough pork in it for them.

204 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:02pm

re: #180 Wishing

hahahahhahah THANK YOU! You made me laugh!

I was going to say Obama supporters, but Bob Barr is funnier.

205 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:06pm

re: #128 Wishing

McCAIN VOTED AYE. Are u listening?

McCain has been on board for a bailout from the beginning. Voting No on something he has been pushing for this hard is political suicide, the Obama campaign would eat his lunch over it, including dessert.

This bill gets passed with or without him, and since Obama voted for it as well, the issue is a push. Obama may as well as helped write it now. Any criticism by The One about this is now easily countered, with a "then why did you vote for it?"

Now the fun begins. Root causes and who saw this coming and tried to do something about it, versus who saw this coming and took money from FM/FM to stop any reforms and cover the problems.

206 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:11pm

re: #175 Wishing

Fixt.

I see MDS is alive and well.

207 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:13pm

Did anyone else notice the section of the bill requiring Sarah Palin to memorize all the foreclosed mortagages and which county they are in prior to her getting her paycheck each month when she becomes VP?

208 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:27pm

OINK OINK

...WHAT THEY NEED'S A DAMN GOOD WHACKING!"

209 Salem  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:27pm

Heck of a way to begin the final month. If McCain hadn't voted for it, I'd say wait and see how the public reacted. *sigh*

I'm just going to come out and say it. I hate McCain. He's the candidate the media picked out for us.

210 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:36pm

re: #193 FurryOldGuyJeans

My statement needed no fixing, thank you very much. McCain is only one of those culpable in this travesty.

only ONE of those? um, I was planning on voting for the *maverick* who hated *pork barrel spending* You are right, he is only ONE of those who are culpable, but he just proved his own culpability.
Nuff said.

211 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:42pm

re: #195 Dar ul Harb

Will this ongoing congressional fiasco translate into losses for any incumbents? It should, but I tend to doubt it.

This below started as a response to Lizard Thanos last night. I cleaned it up a bit and expanded on my theme. It address what Dar ul Hard is stating above.

---

I don't consider myself a nihilist in the pure sense of the word, but I will admit I recently have started to adopt some level of nihilism in my personal philosophy.

And it may do this country some good if more of John Q. Public started to consider adding a little nihilism to the mix. It’s healthy, in my opinion.

I think our love affair with this political party or that political party should be over. Yes, it feels good to be behind the winner, or work earnestly for the loser and turn the country around, but in my opinion, that task has become similar to chasing rainbows.

Sure, down here in the trenches, it feels really good to think that we are fulfilling all of those democratic principles by working for this candidate or that candidate, but that is only an exercise designed to keep us occupied and busy.

We know that special interest groups, Pac’s and big business donates funds to both sides of competing political thoughts. Well, why the hell do you think they do that? Because, in that way, they are going to have their hand up that politicians rear, pulling the strings, no matter what party that politician comes from.

Meanwhile, the real power brokers (who, let me give you a clue, are not us) are playing us for fools. And no, I'm not talking about the One World Order bull, I'm talking about the fact that our politicians are the bag men for the special interest lobby. It doesn't take some deeply entrenched conspiracy to make this all work. There’s not some multi-webbed clandestine plan to take over the world. It’s much more simple than that. Big business will do anything to advance their empire, and we are simply the money producing fodder for their addiction.

Big business wants to make big money, at any expense, and they don't care who they steamroll in that quest. We know this, we feel this, we hope it's not true, but we know it is.

What can we do. Vote as many of them out as we can. Look at the ballots. If there is a freshman politician looking for a seat in Washington, vote for that person. If there are two incumbents on the ballot, check out their tenure in DC and vote for the one that has been there the shortest amount of time. Do this across party lines. Our battle is not partisan, it is against the whole entrenched system.

We can't stop this in one fell swoop, and the new blood that we send to DC may have to be removed later by us, but we can punch enough holes in their system to slow them down. Sort of political speed bumps. And after we slow them down, then maybe we can work on real change. The incumbents need to be fired.

Until then, while we keep playing partisan games, we are playing right into their hands, giving them all the room they need to continue to screw us.

A little nihilism, think about it.

212 Irene NYC  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:01:50pm

re: #201 lifeofthemind

Only if the neighborhood is centrally located between two airports within a stroll of the Sears in the Boro of homz and cemeteries.

Alas no. But we should try to put together a meeting of NYC lizards - perhaps November 4?

213 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:02:01pm

re: #202 Silhouette

When you hear anyone talk about the "right" to housing, medical care, or anything else that costs money and must be produced, they are talking about someone having the right to force someone else to work to produce it for them.

That's slavery, and outlawed in this land, if I recall correctly.

That's progressive socialism. on the rise in this land.
unfortunately.

214 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:02:02pm

re: #152 OldLineTexan

An appropriate photo.

You just insulted chimpanzees.

/Apologize.

215 Wilderstad  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:02:09pm

re: #198 FrogMarch

You said it, and then some.

216 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:02:30pm

re: #185 Mich-again

What you got against chimps?

From what I know of chimps, it's appropriate.

But I apologize to the hard-working chimps in honest zoos, circuses, and kinky Thai massage parlors around the world. You do not deserve to be demeaned with a comparison to the United States Senate.

217 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:03:14pm

re: #204 Dar ul Harb

I was going to say Obama supporters, but Bob Barr is funnier.

Agree...right now i could sqwish Mac like a bug under my shoe, but no WAY could i endorse that commie Zero

218 Defogger  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:03:25pm

re: #200 Joe Six Pack

Actually, I believe they can. Then the House and senate would have to meet in committee to resolve their differences and agree to them before the bill is sent to GWB for his yea or nea.

That's correct.

219 Catttt  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:03:29pm

The world is going to hell in a handbasket.

This is for every fricking twit in DC.

Humph.

220 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:03:41pm

Roll call just came up on Senate.gov

Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

221 GeeWiz  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:03:50pm

IMHO, Dodd & Frank should be scorned, not praised. I live in CT and I'm ashamed to admit that Dodd is my senator. The only time I would cheer Mr. Dodd is when he is wearing an orange jump-suit. He is a major POS!

222 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:03:54pm

if this bill goes through, and god forbid if barry ends up cheating his way to the presidency, i predict a replay of the 1994 election in 2010 when Republicans sweep in with all new people, a throw-out-the bums mentality, like Newt did with the contract with America.
Clintons election led to the house and senate being turned over to the Republicans, I expect a big upheaval in congress two years from now.

223 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:04:09pm

re: #196 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And I didn;t even get a kiss first!

I do believe I will probably get the G-D common courtesy of a reach-around. After all, Barney Frank is involved.

224 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:04:15pm

Oh for Pete's sake!

If McCain voted against this, you guys don't think 0bama wouldn't have had a field day?! McCain might as well have handed 0bama his own head on a silver platter. Does the bill suck? Yeah- but voting against it would have made political hay for 0bama.

225 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:04:16pm

I'm gonna go kiss my kids and tuck them into bed.

Then I'm gonna get a little tipsy and have a hot bath.

Night lizards!

226 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:04:40pm

"Every day Congress meets we lose a little bit of our liberty."

- Mark Levin

227 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:04:57pm

re: #219 Catttt

The world is going to hell in a handbasket.

This is for every fricking twit in DC.

Humph.

High 5's Cat!

228 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:05:29pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Oh for Pete's sake!

If McCain voted against this, you guys don't think 0bama wouldn't have had a field day?! McCain might as well have handed 0bama his own head on a silver platter. Does the bill suck? Yeah- but voting against it would have made political hay for 0bama.

Yup.

229 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:05:36pm

re: #223 OldLineTexan

I do believe I will probably get the G-D common courtesy of a reach-around. After all, Barney Frank is involved.


Well, you have man parts....

230 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:05:36pm

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---74
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

Nays
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)


Not Voting - 1
Kennedy (D-MA)

231 Luigi  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:05:40pm

Futures fall off a cliff on the news...

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

232 Random63  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:05:47pm

McCain lost my vote tonight....screw him and all the Washington crowd...my mission is to vote against any and all incumbents in Washington. I've had it with my Representatives ignoring the will of the people over and over again.

233 Capitalistincharge  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:05:49pm

These politicians..all of them...have broken the public trust. Period. They all need to go. I will not give one more freaking dime to any politician, political party or lobbiest group going forward. With this bailout, which represents gross mismanagement of the public trust, they are "making me" pay. I am beginning to believe the politicians are on the same level as child molesters. I resent, more than I can describe, how dumb these pols think Americans are.

234 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:08pm

re: #212 Irene NYC

Alas no. But we should try to put together a meeting of NYC lizards - perhaps November 4?

That's an idea. I was thinking of poll watching, pays a little better than unemployment. But pencil me in. Tomorrow I'm meeting a friend for brunch then walking over to see the Intrepid come back.

235 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:12pm

It's official! We are now a communist country! There is now no difference between the US and North Korea! None whatsoever!

////

236 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:19pm

I see "studying mark to market" I see "authority to suspend mark to market". I don't see "eliminating mark to market."

237 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:22pm

re: #5 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...

I'll take the 12 gauge for my pistol-grip pump, thanks.
May need it to go vote.

238 Racer X  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:48pm

I feel like I am watching Captain Pickard with a mechanical eyeball. McCain just lost the one edge he had - "never votes for pork". Now the dems can call bullshit - you voted for our pork - you are one of us now.

McCain has been absorbed by the Borg.

239 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #210 Wishing

So far nothing he has done has been a surprise to me. He is about as un-conservative as GWB has been, maverick or not.

240 Basho  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:06:52pm

re: #235 Occasional Reader

It's official! We are now a communist country! There is now no difference between the US and North Korea! None whatsoever!

////

ROFL!

241 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:00pm

re: #35 FloridaAnole

Damn. Crappity crap crap crap. I hope somebody will strip all the pork out of the mess before we turn a substantial fraction of our GNP over to Paulson.


Think that's bad. Think about who Obama would put in as Treasury Sec.

/Not that I have any idea who it would be, but there's no way in h*** it'd be a good choice

242 Catttt  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:04pm

re: #220 Silhouette

Both my senators are midgets. Literally. I've met them. SHORT people.

Nya nya nya.

/meaningless, non-pc rant.

243 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:14pm

re: #226 freedombilly

"Every day Congress meets we lose a little bit of our liberty."

- Mark Levin

I tried to argue with a Lib yesterday (big mistake)... he finally concluded that the "government is us and if we no longer believe that, then the country is lost."

I didn't know where to go with that one...

244 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:17pm

re: #209 Salem

Heck of a way to begin the final month. If McCain hadn't voted for it, I'd say wait and see how the public reacted. *sigh*

I'm just going to come out and say it. I hate McCain. He's the candidate the media picked out for us.

BINGO!

245 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:19pm

re: #232 Random63

McCain lost my vote tonight....screw him and all the Washington crowd...my mission is to vote against any and all incumbents in Washington. I've had it with my Representatives ignoring the will of the people over and over again.

Please see my #211 which addresses what you just said. (Yea, I'm comment pimping for myself).

246 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:20pm

Nummy-num-num.

247 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:27pm

The stock market lost almost 800 points after the house bill went down last week, and the only reason it hasn't tanked worse than that is the hope that the Senate would pass some sort of bill. That happened tonight.

I don't like the pork added to this monstrosity - I mean, come on! Wooden Arrows? Caribbean Rum? Wool Studies? NASCAR tracks? - but the hopes of its passing has been the only stem against the tide of a major crash.

And after the injection of hundreds of billions of dollars these past few days, it still ended up in negative territory today. It was only about 20 down, but with that massive of an injection of funds, it only served to slow down the decline.

Now the McCain camp needs to go on a major offensive and skewer Obama with all his FM/FM buddies who have been and still are his advisers. Blame the whole thing on Obama, no matter that he was only a teenager when the whole FM/FM creation started.

IT IS ALL BARACK OBAMA'S FRIENDS' FAULT THAT WE HAD TO EVEN VOTE ON THIS BILL!

Hit 'em often and hit 'em hard. Knock Obama so hard and so low he'll have to stand on a step ladder just to kiss John McCain's ass!

Fight! Fight! Fight!

MCCAIN/PALIN '08

248 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:49pm

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

This below started as a response to Lizard Thanos last night. I cleaned it up a bit and expanded on my theme. It address what Dar ul Hard is stating above.

Dar ul Hard. I like that.

I wonder what Mrs. Harb thinks. *nudge nudge wink wink say no more*

249 SummerSong  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:07:56pm

Included are incentives for renewable energy?

Gawd...

250 Catttt  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:02pm

Anyone else sense a pitchforks and torches moment, or is it just me?

251 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:03pm

Out of the palace, and into the ditch!

252 Drill_Thrawl  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:05pm

re: #195 Dar ul Harb

Will this ongoing congressional fiasco translate into losses for any incumbents?

It should, but I tend to doubt it.

Agreed because we won't find out that the fix was bad until next year with those Mofo's will want 2 Trillion to fix it.

253 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:11pm

re: #194 Mich-again

This is the modern day Smoot Hawley. The big fix destined to do more harm than good.

No. This is not Smoot-Hawley. Obama's determined to give us the New S-H, but that's some ways down the road.

254 looking closely  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:15pm

re: #69 Freedom Ben

So if the fed is taking care of the liquidity problem, then is the bailout bill just creating an artificial price floor to "stabilize" the market? And if our tax dollars are used to set a price higher then the market is willing to pay, wouldn't that by definition mean that we're getting ripped off?

Not necessarily.
Injecting capital may end the panic, and re-inflate the market.
Think of it as bursting a reverse bubble.
But this depends on what price is being paid and for what, obviously.

255 ArmyWife  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:15pm

re: #225 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Good plan. The younger one is asleep - the oldest is reading with her faithful chihuahuas by her side - I can't get tipsy as I have to work tomorrow, but AH brought home cheesecake so I am going to eat it, in bed I think.

Night.

256 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:26pm

re: #243 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I tried to argue with a Lib yesterday (big mistake)... he finally concluded that the "government is us and if we no longer believe that, then the country is lost."

I didn't know where to go with that one...

How about to a bar without the lib?

257 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:48pm

re: #220 Silhouette

Cantwell voted NAY?!? The Apocalypse has begun!

258 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:08:56pm

re: #235 Occasional Reader

It's official! We are now a communist country! There is now no difference between the US and North Korea! None whatsoever!

////

Shhhh! Dear Leader isn't in the White House yet.

259 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:03pm

re: #209 Salem

Heck of a way to begin the final month. If McCain hadn't voted for it, I'd say wait and see how the public reacted. *sigh*

I'm just going to come out and say it. I hate McCain. He's the candidate the media picked out for us.

boloney

260 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:07pm

Special IRS rules for those losing their shirts with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stock....

261 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:10pm

re: #242 Catttt

Both my senators are midgets. Literally. I've met them. SHORT people.

If they are above 5'1", they look tall to me.

262 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:37pm

what kind of feel good morons would let this phony give away go on until it ground to a halt and then everyone who caused it has pulled their pockets inside out w/ nothing to show?
now they look around at us. we didn't do anything.
our elected officials should have stopped this long ago. you don't force banks to give loans to people who have NO WAY of paying back the money.
under the guise of doing 'business'.

263 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:47pm

re: #238 Racer X

I feel like I am watching Captain Pickard with a mechanical eyeball. McCain just lost the one edge he had - "never votes for pork". Now the dems can call bullshit - you voted for our pork - you are one of us now.

McCain has been absorbed by the Borg.

And if he'd voted against this, he'd be just as tarred by the 0bama-biden team.

264 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:51pm

re: #239 FurryOldGuyJeans

So far nothing he has done has been a surprise to me. He is about as un-conservative as GWB has been, maverick or not.

Well, i think for a lot of us, it was McCain or we end up with worse case scenario with the commie...But at this point, i am going to take my vote, fry it up with some oil and garlic and feed it to my dog.

265 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:09:59pm

I've annotated the key issues of the bill, which includes three major subparts.

The first is the actual bailout bill. It runs about 110 pages or so, of which most relates to oversight and tangential issues.

The second portion relates to tax extenders and various amendments to the IRC.

AMT relief provisions are addressed.

So is the mental health provisions; the Wellstone/Domenici package.

Finally, there's disaster relief for Hurricane Ike and the Midwest flooding.

266 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:03pm

re: #255 ArmyWife

Good plan. The younger one is asleep - the oldest is reading with her faithful chihuahuas by her side - I can't get tipsy as I have to work tomorrow, but AH brought home cheesecake so I am going to eat it, in bed I think.

Night.


Tipsy is why Tylenol was invented.

Enjoy your cheesecake though! I'm jealous!

267 Cartman  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:18pm

Come on, let's not be so hard on our elected representatives. After all, we really can't possibly understand the intricacies of this legislation. That's not our job, right? That's what we sent them to Washington for, right? We need to trust that they will do what's best for America!

/*Giant FART*/

268 Racer X  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:20pm

Lost:

Need assistance ASAP! I seem to have lost my balls. Please contact me at jmccaindotcom if you find them.

269 Palandine  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:33pm

re: #176 unclassifiable

So does everyone who got a regular mortgage, makes their payments on time, pay all of their taxes, put the maximum in their 401k, and set aside cash for emergencies get anything out of this?

Oh yeah, the big Congress-finger.

Yes. We get to pay for those who didn't. :(

270 Han_Solo  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:37pm

McCain just blew a HUGE opportunity.


He could have had a HUGE AMOUNT of fun if he would have voted "PRESENT", and just dared anyone in the press to point it out.


That would have been a very fun news cycle.

271 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:41pm

re: #251 MandyManners

Out of the palace, and into the ditch!

Didn't know you were a Krokus fan Mandy.
I'd post a YouTube link to Eat The Rich, but it's blocked at work.

272 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:44pm

re: #212 Irene NYC

Alas no. But we should try to put together a meeting of NYC lizards - perhaps November 4?

I think we have something else to do on November 4th...

Unless you mean later in the evening. (:

273 KZnextzone  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:57pm

450 pages times senate, house and press....what National Forest was culled for this?
So much for the paper work reduction act!

274 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:10:58pm

...carbon mitigation provisions?

275 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:11:00pm

re: #205 CyanSnowHawk

McCain has been on board for a bailout from the beginning. Voting No on something he has been pushing for this hard is political suicide, the Obama campaign would eat his lunch over it, including dessert.

This bill gets passed with or without him, and since Obama voted for it as well, the issue is a push. Obama may as well as helped write it now. Any criticism by The One about this is now easily countered, with a "then why did you vote for it?"

Now the fun begins. Root causes and who saw this coming and tried to do something about it, versus who saw this coming and took money from FM/FM to stop any reforms and cover the problems.

But we only have 4 four weeks,

not enough time.

Many Americans are like sheep,
they will herd into any pen that has food.

276 Racer X  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:11:04pm

re: #263 Sharmuta

And if he'd voted against this, he'd be just as tarred by the 0bama-biden team.

I know.

Doesn't mean I have to like it.

277 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:11:42pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Nummy-num-num.


oh man...that was one of my favorites!

love the Mad Max outfits!

278 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:11:47pm

re: #265 lawhawk

Can't they address these issues in individual measures? Why must each bill be a ragout?

279 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:11:57pm

re: #260 spirochete

Special IRS rules for those losing their shirts with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stock....


Are you freakin' kidding me?

Dang it . . . I'm a CPA . . . more IRS regulations . . . as if we don't already have enough.

280 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:04pm

re: #220 Silhouette

Roll call just came up on Senate.gov

Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

Sanders (VT-Socialist), voted no, and he had the only amendment? That dude is weird. Vermont is weird.

281 SonOfLiberty  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:05pm

I watched the roll call. And Harry Reid spouting right before it. I am so spitting mad over this. I've had to pause every couple of seconds to delete cuss words.

Jim DeMint, on the very unlikely chance that you read this, GOD BLESS YOU, SENATOR.

282 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:06pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Oh for Pete's sake!

If McCain voted against this, you guys don't think 0bama wouldn't have had a field day?! McCain might as well have handed 0bama his own head on a silver platter. Does the bill suck? Yeah- but voting against it would have made political hay for 0bama.

thank u.

283 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:09pm

re: #256 freedombilly

How about to a bar without the lib?

Way ahead of you. {hick}

284 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:11pm

HA! Dow futures are down.

285 N_Jones  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:15pm

re: #21 lifeofthemind

For that which we are about to receive we thank thee Lord.

Character? Movie?

The father of the Angel Family - Judge Dread?

286 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:18pm

re: #232 Random63

McCain lost my vote tonight....screw him and all the Washington crowd...my mission is to vote against any and all incumbents in Washington. I've had it with my Representatives ignoring the will of the people over and over again.

Convert your cash to gold and bury it in your back yard. All will be well.

287 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:37pm

re: #264 Wishing

Well, i think for a lot of us, it was McCain or we end up with worse case scenario with the commie...But at this point, i am going to take my vote, fry it up with some oil and garlic and feed it to my dog.

As much as I am not a McCain booster that is the absolutely last thing I will be doing. I will be doing my Constitutional duty as a citizen of the United States to vote on November 4th 2008 for the people I deem best to fill the positions they are running for.

288 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:48pm

re: #273 KZnextzone

450 pages times senate, house and press....what National Forest was culled for this?
So much for the paper work reduction act!

The really shitty thing about the waste of paper is that most of the senators didn't have time to read the damn thing...for all we know they could have voted to make us a colony of Great Britian!

289 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:12:54pm

re: #235 Occasional Reader

It's official! We are now a communist country! There is now no difference between the US and North Korea! None whatsoever!

////

/Well, Kim Jong Il does have an IPOD.

290 readytofight  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:02pm

Maybe the house will literally burn down.

291 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:09pm

'Night all. Let's see what tomorrow brings.

292 Castlebravo  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:12pm

I don't have time to go back and re-read to see if this has already been mentioned. But don't all bills requiring spending money HAVE to originate in the House of Representatives? In other words, IF the house votes to pass, and IF the President signs the bill, it would still be UNconstitutional.

Anyone? Can anybody tell me how I can challenge the Constitutionality of this thing if it gets that far? I'm taking my Heritage Guide to the Constitution to work with me to double check. I'll check back on this post in the morning.

CHeers,
Castlebravo.....

Gotta go, late for work.

293 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:20pm

re: #200 Joe Six Pack

Actually, I believe they can. Then the House and senate would have to meet in committee to resolve their differences and agree to them before the bill is sent to GWB for his yea or nea.

I heard different on Fox - the bill was passed in the Senate with a different procedure, as there were no hearings, no committee meetings, no initial votes. That's why it had to pass by 60 votes and not just a simple majority.

And Neil Cavuto just said the house had to pass it as is.

294 Racer X  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:41pm

Doesn't mean I won't go fishing with the man - or vote for him - but I am pissed.

295 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:44pm

re: #255 ArmyWife

Good plan. The younger one is asleep - the oldest is reading with her faithful chihuahuas by her side - I can't get tipsy as I have to work tomorrow, but AH brought home cheesecake so I am going to eat it, in bed I think.

I brought home Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

The cutest thing was the cashier from New York explaining them to me. I've had Krispy Kreme from my cradle. What's he gonna explain next to me, NASCAR?

296 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:55pm
297 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:13:57pm

the wooden arrow industry will sleep soundly tonight.

298 Catttt  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:14:07pm

re: #261 Silhouette

If they are above 5'1", they look tall to me.

You're not short - you're petite.

Ben is probably 5 feet 3, would be my guess. He makes ME feel tall, and I'm 5 feet 6.

Barbara is shorter than you. I'd give her 4 feet 11 at a stretch.

299 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:14:18pm

...

so will there be a separate bill presented to bail out the European banks?

300 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:14:49pm

re: #286 The Shadow Do

Convert your cash to gold and bury it in your back yard. All will be well.

F** that, give it to me.

301 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:14:50pm

re: #292 Castlebravo

I don't have time to go back and re-read to see if this has already been mentioned. But don't all bills requiring spending money HAVE to originate in the House of Representatives? In other words, IF the house votes to pass, and IF the President signs the bill, it would still be UNconstitutional.

Anyone? Can anybody tell me how I can challenge the Constitutionality of this thing if it gets that far? I'm taking my Heritage Guide to the Constitution to work with me to double check. I'll check back on this post in the morning.

CHeers,
Castlebravo.....

Gotta go, late for work.

Yes, but if the Senate has bills pending they can attach all the bills together and call for a vote.

302 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:15pm

Oh, and Corker (R-TN) voted yes. This is why I voted for Harold Ford (D-TN) in that election. At least Dole voted no.

303 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:19pm

re: #189 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I just told a few folks to stop trying to do all those hard VaR calculations and hedge effectiveness reports and just let the government hedge their commodity deals.

304 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:26pm

re: #299 astronmr20

...

so will there be a separate bill presented to bail out the European banks?


I believe that this bill will give the Sec of the Treas power to do that with just a "consultation" (read: discussion over a cuppa).

305 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:31pm

re: #278 Silhouette

Because they appended the bailout to the tax extenders to get both passed. Neither was going to pass on their own, and it was a way of bringing the bailout package to the floor for a quick vote - parliamentary move. It's still a larded up package, because they could have deleted all the rest of the stuff in the bill, but chose not to.

306 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:32pm

re: #267 Cartman

Come on, let's not be so hard on our elected representatives. After all, we really can't possibly understand the intricacies of this legislation. That's not our job, right? That's what we sent them to Washington for, right? We need to trust that they will do what's best for America!

/*Giant FART*/

Congress will charge you with 'battery.'

307 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:38pm

re: #280 kevinmumaw

Sanders (VT-Socialist), voted no, and he had the only amendment? That dude is weird. Vermont is weird.

Interesting.
Landrieu (D-LA) (nay)- she voted to to save her behind.

Allard (R-CO) (nay) - he's retiring - this is probably his last vote in the senate - and knowing Allard- he did this on principle.

It just cements opinion that Democrats are cynical manipulators and phonies.

308 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:39pm

re: #242 Catttt

Both my senators are midgets. Literally. I've met them. SHORT people.

Nya nya nya.

/meaningless, non-pc rant.


LOL
queue short people by randy newman..

309 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:15:51pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Oh for Pete's sake!

If McCain voted against this, you guys don't think 0bama wouldn't have had a field day?! McCain might as well have handed 0bama his own head on a silver platter. Does the bill suck? Yeah- but voting against it would have made political hay for 0bama.


As sad as it is, you're right.

OTOH, it takes his "I'm for getting rid of earmarks" schtick off the table for the next debate, since this bill is pork- and earmark-laden.

Which the more I think about it is probably a good thing. People are tired of that line, and it doesn't work for him politically anyway.

310 Chip Designer  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:01pm

This bill is full of pork. It contains provisions for paying fishermen injured by the Exxon Valdez.

311 nightintheruts  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:10pm

re: #295 Silhouette

I brought home Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

The cutest thing was the cashier from New York explaining them to me. I've had Krispy Kreme from my cradle. What's he gonna explain next to me, NASCAR?

mmmmmm, Krispy Kreme

heaven in your mouth.

312 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:17pm

‘‘(1) $20 per metric ton of qualified carbon dioxide which is—‘‘(A) captured by the taxpayer at a qualified facility, and
‘‘(B) disposed of by the taxpayer in secure
geological storage, and

313 guzziguy  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:21pm

My state's delegation split on this crap. Tom Coburn, usually a good Republican, voted Yea. Right here, right now I pledge $500 to any good solid Republican who runs against him next time.

Jim Inhofe as usual is on the right side of things. He's running this time.

314 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:24pm

re: #292 Castlebravo

Um.

Well, this isn't the final bill.

I predict that the conference report will originate in the House.

(Anyone?)

315 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:29pm

re: #270 Han_Solo

McCain just blew a HUGE opportunity.


He could have had a HUGE AMOUNT of fun if he would have voted "PRESENT", and just dared anyone in the press to point it out.


That would have been a very fun news cycle.

No matter how he voted the media will be pillorying the man. That is a given with the biased media that is allowed to hide the bias and proclaim impartiality.

As much as I am not pleased with the choice I am being given to make, McCain or Obama, I do have to make the choice as a citizen of the United States and vote.

316 ChildOfMary  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:16:42pm

Here is the text of a message that Hubby (lizard ElderZionist) and I wrote and sent to our Congress-critters in the House and Senate the other day, either through email or using the contact form some of them provide at their website. We also copied Glenn Beck, Dave Ramsey and Neil Cavuto. Perhaps others will be inspired to write comparable messages from their hearts. Our financial advisor, a very upright and moral young lady (hard to believe, I know) liked it a lot.

**********

As our representatives in the national legislature, we would like you to consider the following and pass the messages here along to Mr. Paulsen and the President and Congressional leaders as they are a summary of what ordinary folks out here are thinking.

1. Mr. Paulsen, from the beginning of this situation, you have acted like a bully. The United States is not your company. It is our company, and you work for us. So show a little respect.

2. To all our leaders: Just because there are many out here who are not convinced that saddling the taxpayer with debt is the way to solve the problem does not mean we are uninformed or stupid. The truth is there are many other ideas out there that may be worth pursuing before we take the most radical step. Visit Dave Ramsey’s website for a summary of them. And then, those who believe the most radical solution must be tried first need to convince us out here – why won’t the other ideas work? Talk to us – debate it honestly -- give us the good arguments. I repeat: the people with these other approaches are just as intelligent as the people pushing the radical way – so convince us your way is best.

3. In case none of you have noticed, we don’t trust you. We are sick and tired of having many people who created this problem over many years acting as if they had nothing to do with it, and lecturing the rest of us. We were not stupid enough to take on mortgages we could not afford; we paid our credit cards and other bills, and have not been greedy. We believe that some financial instruments, like derivatives, are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Some of us have even encountered hard times and have struggled or are still struggling and we do not ask to be treated like victims that the government should bail out. We don’t think those of us that tried to manage our money wisely should have to pay to bail out individuals that did not do so.

4. Many of us would like to know why we should trust the same people who created the problem to solve the problem intelligently and responsibly with no hidden agendas.

5. We don’t want to reward any of the people who were responsible for this. That includes executives and board members of companies that made or invested in improper loans, people and companies who traded in derivatives and similar instruments (especially hedge funds). We also think the government bureaucrats and elected officials that helped create this problem should have to give up some of their powerful positions, in case the voters in their districts don’t hold them responsible.

6. You need to honestly look at all options and do that which is best for us and not for yourselves and show us why your choices are the best. If you do not, you can be assured that there are many out here who will turn you out of office either this year or when your term ends. We’re tired of all of you. The general feeling is “A pox on all your houses (no pun intended). At the very least, we await a public apology from all members of Congress connected with creating this problem over many years.

7. And one quick question: “Does the term ‘Fiduciary Responsibility’ have any relevance anymore?”

317 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:17:17pm

re: #271 CyanSnowHawk

Didn't know you were a Krokus fan Mandy.
I'd post a YouTube link to Eat The Rich, but it's blocked at work.

Here ya go!

318 Cartman  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:17:33pm

re: #280 kevinmumaw

Sanders (VT-Socialist), voted no, and he had the only amendment? That dude is weird. Vermont is weird.

One of my relatives is a HUGE Obama supporter, and wannabe socialist. He and his wife have been saving to move to Vermont for years now. They can't wait. Kinda says it all, right there.

319 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:17:41pm

I'm going to take that hot bubble bath now....night all.

320 Catttt  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:17:45pm

re: #308 HoosierHoops

LOL
queue short people by randy newman..

I may call Ben's office and play that when his long-suffering aide answers.

321 VIGILANTinfidel  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:18:18pm

so much for accountability...can I get a pass too for the time I screw myself?

322 Osama Bin Porkchop  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:18:33pm

re: #313 guzziguy

My state's delegation split on this crap. Tom Coburn, usually a good Republican, voted Yea. Right here, right now I pledge $500 to any good solid Republican who runs against him next time.

Jim Inhofe as usual is on the right side of things. He's running this time.

Colburn's vote just floored me......so he'll be getting a piece of my mind.
And Inhofe will be getting a hearty thanks and a few bucks his way.

323 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:18:33pm

re: #307 FrogMarch


Interesting.
Landrieu (D-LA) (nay)- she voted to to save her behind.

Yes she did. Same with Dorgan, Johnson, and Tester.

324 spidly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:18:34pm

hope it just goes down quickly in the house. house isn't even going to take it up until friday, right?

325 loubob57  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:18:42pm

Both of my senators voted yes even though I told them to vote no. Oh well.

326 Silhouette  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:19:01pm

re: #315 FurryOldGuyJeans

No matter how he voted the media will be pillorying the man. That is a given

McCain votes no, he doesn't care about Americans who lost millions.

McCain votes yes, his talk about being anti-pork was all for show.

McCain votes present, sits out most important vote of his life. Is this man really ready to lead?

327 Red Ruffansore  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:19:03pm

It's official, we have been sold out by the mewling idiots in the senate.

Andrew Jackson, our 7th President addressed the same pack of weasels on the same issue 172 years ago (1836)

Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.' You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out.


George is a worm and he is presiding over a bunch of bottom feeding carp. I guess it's up to us to rout them out.

328 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:19:32pm

re: #318 Cartman

One of my relatives is a HUGE Obama supporter, and wannabe socialist. He and his wife have been saving to move to Vermont for years now. They can't wait. Kinda says it all, right there.

Saving to move to Vermont? Like I said. Weird.

329 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:19:33pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Oh for Pete's sake!

If McCain voted against this, you guys don't think 0bama wouldn't have had a field day?! McCain might as well have handed 0bama his own head on a silver platter. Does the bill suck? Yeah- but voting against it would have made political hay for 0bama.

You are exactly right, Mccain approved the BAILOUT..but this was the bailout PLUS. He could have just as easily SAID: "I support the bailout 100% but I CANNOT, in good conscience endorse this morbidly obese bill."
He didnt do that: He said AYE

330 jaunte  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:19:37pm

I especially hate how self-congratulatory the Senate leadership was about their 'bipartisanship' in adding to the general tax bill.

331 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:05pm

SEC. 211. TRANSPORTATION FRINGE BENEFIT TO BICYCLE COMMUTERS.

332 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:08pm

The United States Senate sold out the American people and screwed the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers in the process.

333 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:14pm

re: #325 loubob57

Both of my senators voted yes even though I told them to vote no. Oh well.

Do they not know who you are?

334 Cartman  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:16pm

re: #306 ibmkeyboard

Congress will charge you with 'battery.'

And don't forget hate speech.

335 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:16pm

re: #310 Chip Designer

This bill is full of pork. It contains provisions for paying fishermen injured by the Exxon Valdez.


Of course it contains pork. It was written by democrats.

336 rorschach  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:28pm

I'm about ready to stop filing my yearly IRS return.

I'm supposed to pay taxes so that people like Franklin Raines can keep the 100 mil he stole?

Fuck him. Right now every cent I make goes to someone else. And I am not a drain on society.

But if those sons o' bitches want to lock me up and spend fifty G's a year to do it, then I may just let them. Sounds like a better retirement plan than I currently have.

337 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:33pm

re: #315 FurryOldGuyJeans

I never thought I would have to go to the polls with a gas mask.

Holding your nose is not sufficient anymore.

338 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:40pm

My Senator unexpectedly has voted Nay. Weird

/Mary Landrieu, D-LA

339 FrogMarch  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:20:46pm

re: #323 kevinmumaw

Yes she did. Same with Dorgan, Johnson, and Tester.

yep!

340 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:21:22pm

re: #292 Castlebravo


But don't all bills requiring spending money HAVE to originate in the House of Representatives?

No. All bills for RAISING money, not spending it.

341 Defogger  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:21:44pm

re: #338 pink freud

My Senator unexpectedly has voted Nay. Weird

/Mary Landrieu, D-LA

I saw that, too. Is she up for re-election?

342 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:09pm

re: #266 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Tipsy is why Tylenol was invented.

Enjoy your cheesecake though! I'm jealous!

Oooh, no Tylenol after tipsy-ness! Go for aspirin or ibuprofen. Tylenol and alcohol are damaging to the liver.

343 lazydaisy  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:20pm

One positive thing about this bill passing is that even the lefty blogs are complaining about it. All Americans are joining together in discontent. Truly a bipartisan issue. Gives me hope for our country.

344 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:33pm

re: #336 rorschach

I'm about ready to stop filing my yearly IRS return.

I'm supposed to pay taxes so that people like Franklin Raines can keep the 100 mil he stole?

Fuck him. Right now every cent I make goes to someone else. And I am not a drain on society.

But if those sons o' bitches want to lock me up and spend fifty G's a year to do it, then I may just let them. Sounds like a better retirement plan than I currently have.

file, just don't put any money in the envelope. that's not a crime.
the crime is not filing or lying abt. how much you make.

345 jaunte  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:41pm

re: #341 Defogger

Yes.

346 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:41pm

McCain needs to unload, here's a proposed speech.

The people who shamelessly forced the banks to create these toxic loans and infected the financial system with them are the same people who have taken vast sums of money from the peddlers of the trash mortgage paper. Now after the House rejected the first version of the recovery plan they shamelessly added in subsidies for vote riggers and the advocacy groups that created this mess in the first place and millions of dollars more in pork. Why then you may ask did I vote for this bill? I did it because they deliberately timed it so that I would have to accept their shameless and selfish plundering of the public treasury at this time or I would have to accept the possibility that hundreds of banks could be driven into insolvency and millions of working Americans could lose their jobs. As far as I am concerned those who larded this bill down with special interest subsidies are no better than kidnappers who are holding a gun to the heads of old people and children unless they get their way. They have won this round but they haven't won the war. Please elect me and elect other real reformers and let us start cleaning out Washington.

347 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:48pm

re: #340 Occasional Reader

No. All bills for RAISING money, not spending it.

Thanks, OR.
Couldn't remember why that was wrong.

348 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:22:58pm

‘‘(9) SPECIAL RULE FOR TAXPAYERS WITH OIL
16 RELATED QUALIFIED PRODUCTION ACTIVITIES IN17
COME.—
18 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—If a taxpayer has oil
19 related qualified production activities income for
20 any taxable year beginning after 2009, the
21 amount otherwise allowable as a deduction
22 under subsection (a) shall be reduced by 3 per
cent of the least of—

349 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:23:02pm

Remember the scene in Stranger Than Fiction where Maggy whats-her-face told Will farrell she withheld the percentage of her taxes that goes to defense because she doesn't agree with it? Hmmm.....I could probably not pay taxes for a few months with this legalized robbery. I think I will no longer pay my percentage of taxes that goes to ACORN for example.

350 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:23:22pm

SERIOUSLY! Senator are YOU reading this? You asked for the American people to stand and fight with you, during your accepance speech,, and please forgive me for this but to quote another American Hero, Todd Beamer-- LETS ROLL get those ads on everywhere, i am sick of seeing the one.................
re: #247 Intrepid

The stock market lost almost 800 points after the house bill went down last week, and the only reason it hasn't tanked worse than that is the hope that the Senate would pass some sort of bill. That happened tonight.

I don't like the pork added to this monstrosity - I mean, come on! Wooden Arrows? Caribbean Rum? Wool Studies? NASCAR tracks? - but the hopes of its passing has been the only stem against the tide of a major crash.

And after the injection of hundreds of billions of dollars these past few days, it still ended up in negative territory today. It was only about 20 down, but with that massive of an injection of funds, it only served to slow down the decline.

Now the McCain camp needs to go on a major offensive and skewer Obama with all his FM/FM buddies who have been and still are his advisers. Blame the whole thing on Obama, no matter that he was only a teenager when the whole FM/FM creation started.

IT IS ALL BARACK OBAMA'S FRIENDS' FAULT THAT WE HAD TO EVEN VOTE ON THIS BILL!

Hit 'em often and hit 'em hard. Knock Obama so hard and so low he'll have to stand on a step ladder just to kiss John McCain's ass!

Fight! Fight! Fight!

MCCAIN/PALIN '08

351 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:23:30pm

re: #309 Florida Lady

As sad as it is, you're right.

OTOH, it takes his "I'm for getting rid of earmarks" schtick off the table for the next debate, since this bill is pork- and earmark-laden.

Which the more I think about it is probably a good thing. People are tired of that line, and it doesn't work for him politically anyway.

No- he should stick to reform and controlling spending and energy. These are things that are costing Americans more money on top of this bill. I think Americans will be more hungry for government spending restraint and cheaper gas/energy after this. He has to pound that home.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:23:59pm

re: #329 Wishing

You are exactly right, Mccain approved the BAILOUT..but this was the bailout PLUS. He could have just as easily SAID: "I support the bailout 100% but I CANNOT, in good conscience endorse this morbidly obese bill."
He didnt do that: He said AYE

No matter what he did or what he said, he would have a hostile media ready to spin it in the worst possible light, period. This was a no-win scenario for McCain as far as the media is concerned. And how the media goes also goes a significant chunk of American voters.

353 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:23:59pm

re: #289 Joe Six Pack

In his burial casket? So the dead do listen to iPod!

354 jaunte  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:03pm

Landrieu up for re-election in close race:
[Link: www.vot3r.com...]

355 The Shadow Do  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:23pm

re: #332 the_flying_pig

The United States Senate sold out the American people and screwed the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers in the process.

Should have held to principles and opted for national bankruptcy.

356 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:36pm

re: #293 Intrepid

I heard different on Fox - the bill was passed in the Senate with a different procedure, as there were no hearings, no committee meetings, no initial votes. That's why it had to pass by 60 votes and not just a simple majority.

And Neil Cavuto just said the house had to pass it as is.

I'll take your word on it (and Cavuto's). I just hope the House does what it did Monday and reject it.

357 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:40pm

re: #346 lifeofthemind

McCain needs to unload, here's a proposed speech.

The people who shamelessly forced the banks to create these toxic loans and infected the financial system with them are the same people who have taken vast sums of money from the peddlers of the trash mortgage paper. Now after the House rejected the first version of the recovery plan they shamelessly added in subsidies for vote riggers and the advocacy groups that created this mess in the first place and millions of dollars more in pork. Why then you may ask did I vote for this bill? I did it because they deliberately timed it so that I would have to accept their shameless and selfish plundering of the public treasury at this time or I would have to accept the possibility that hundreds of banks could be driven into insolvency and millions of working Americans could lose their jobs. As far as I am concerned those who larded this bill down with special interest subsidies are no better than kidnappers who are holding a gun to the heads of old people and children unless they get their way. They have won this round but they haven't won the war. Please elect me and elect other real reformers and let us start cleaning out Washington.

Yes, yes, a million times yes. If anything, I would be convinced that McCain sprouted a pair.

358 unclassifiable  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:42pm

re: #338 pink freud

Wild ass guess pink but I would think:

a) did not get something tacked on for LA
b) senses that constituents have literally been soaked enough

359 KZnextzone  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:48pm

I thought it was funny when Barney Frank was willing to do whatever he could to garner votes,
sewed up Sen, Craig's vote!

360 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:24:52pm

re: #341 Defogger

I saw that, too. Is she up for re-election?

Not only is she up for re-election, she is running against Kennedy, a former Dem turned Republican. Feeling here is that it's time for new blood ....it's not looking too good for her re-election. She's part of the good-ole-boy network that has ruled La. for generations that Jindal has pledged to thwart.

361 Dasher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:08pm

It didn't go the way I thought it would. I sort of thought that many of those senators up for election would vote no, and it would still pass with the 2/3 of the senate that were not up for election. But it went 24 percent from those up fore election voting no and 25 percent of the whole population voting no.

362 Defogger  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:13pm

re: #345 jaunte

Explains a lot. Unless she was angry that her own personal piece of pork didn't get in. A few days ago, I saw her campaigning for some kind of farm subsidy, IIRC.

363 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:18pm

Hopefully this fails so I can use all the lessons I learned watching Man vs. Wild when the economy collapses and anarchy ensues.

364 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:19pm

All this does is postpone the inevitable day of reckoning. It will buy us another few months at best.

365 cblesz  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:22pm

ACORN is OUT of this bill...

366 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:34pm

McCain was in prison.

But those of us 'in country' Vietnam,
always said we were killing the wrong fucking people.

/I will probably get deleted,

but I really don't give a shit.

367 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:35pm

re: #352 FurryOldGuyJeans

No matter what he did or what he said, he would have a hostile media ready to spin it in the worst possible light, period. This was a no-win scenario for McCain as far as the media is concerned. And how the media goes also goes a significant chunk of American voters.

I see...and are you suggesting that this AYE vote has given Mac a boost with the MSM?
What he did was flip off his supporters.

368 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:37pm

re: #344 nyc redneck

file, just don't put any money in the envelope. that's not a crime. the crime is not filing or lying abt. how much you make.

Yes, but you are also stating that you owe (if you do) a certain amount. And this gives them the right to get the money you owe in so many ways.

And I think the point was that rorschach was trying to make was that he was thinking of commiting a crime so he could retire in jail.

369 guzziguy  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:42pm

re: #346 lifeofthemind

McCain needs to unload, here's a proposed speech.

The people who shamelessly forced the banks to create these toxic loans and infected the financial system with them are the same people who have taken vast sums of money from the peddlers of the trash mortgage paper. Now after the House rejected the first version of the recovery plan they shamelessly added in subsidies for vote riggers and the advocacy groups that created this mess in the first place and millions of dollars more in pork. Why then you may ask did I vote for this bill? I did it because they deliberately timed it so that I would have to accept their shameless and selfish plundering of the public treasury at this time or I would have to accept the possibility that hundreds of banks could be driven into insolvency and millions of working Americans could lose their jobs. As far as I am concerned those who larded this bill down with special interest subsidies are no better than kidnappers who are holding a gun to the heads of old people and children unless they get their way. They have won this round but they haven't won the war. Please elect me and elect other real reformers and let us start cleaning out Washington.

Why aren't you running? McCain doesn't have the equipment to make this statement. He's way too busy being bipartisan

370 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:49pm

re: #285 N_Jones

The father of the Angel Family - Judge Dread?

Not even close, thanks for trying though.

371 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:25:58pm
372 Palandine  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:01pm

The donations are over. I'd been making one to McCain-Palin every paycheck, 20 or 30 dollars. No more. I'm still voting for them, but if McCain wants money, he can hold me up for it, just like Congress just did.

I'm buying Ironman with that money instead on Friday.

373 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:09pm

re: #359 KZnextzone

I thought it was funny when Barney Frank was willing to do whatever he could to garner votes,
sewed up Sen, Craig's vote!

Now that's reaching across the stall aisle!

374 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:13pm

re: #365 cblesz

ACORN is OUT of this bill...

what? is that true?

375 wright1  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:23pm

Sorry. I do not think this was necessary. Increasing the FDIC: fine. But, I have heard more than a few smarter economists than I indicate that bankruptcy would have succeeded with the caveat that the Fed has already gained enormous wealth without this measure and therefore is capable of taking remedial measures.

My beef is simple: This is a bailout of Democratic corruption. There is a paper trail. The case can be made. By letting the Dems off the hook you are glossing over the problem without examining the causes.

The absurdity that Dodd and Frank get to vote on this is as silly as Ifill moderating tomorrow. The world is upside down my friends and if McCain is the new sheriff in town, why doesn't he start acting like one? I keep waiting for him to metaphorically resemble the scene of Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider. The cowards are cowering and he just takes them out one at a time.

Rush had a great segment on the fact that the MSM focused for 6 weeks of: Mark Foley and "Maccaca" back in 2004 before the election. Why can we not find one journalist to do his job and look into the corruption? Cause the fix is in.

No folks. I am not for this. He** no!

I know people have investments but it is time to see accountability.

376 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:24pm

TREATMENT OF S CORPORATIONS.—In the
23 case of the sale of a covered security acquired by an
24 S corporation (other than a financial institution)
25 after December 31, 2011, such S corporation shall
248
O:AYOAYO08C32.xml S.L.C.
1 be treated in the same manner as a partnership for
2 purposes of this section.


This looks significant but I don't know the real meaning..anybody here know?

377 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:25pm

re: #320 Catttt

I may call Ben's office and play that when his long-suffering aide answers.

Bad News Catttt.. The hate mail is pouring in..My email box is full..
I understand that short people have declared a fatwa on us..
I'm going in hiding...There is word that mini me is running the show...
The friggin sharks with the laser beams is scaring the hell out of me..
( I figure if i dye my hair and grow a beard I'll be alright)

378 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:51pm

re: #364 rawmuse

All this does is postpone the inevitable day of reckoning. It will buy us another few months at best.

See my #211 if you have time.

379 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:55pm

re: #358 unclassifiable

Wild ass guess pink but I would think:

a) did not get something tacked on for LA
b) senses that constituents have literally been soaked enough

She's walking a fine line. Time for her to go (the only thing is ...how blue is this Dem-turned Republican running against her?)

380 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:26:55pm

Lindsey graham just called out ACORN on Greta.

381 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:01pm

re: #330 jaunte

I especially hate how self-congratulatory the Senate leadership was about their 'bipartisanship' in adding to the general tax bill.

Bipartisanship=No Gridlock

No Gridlock=Congress Accomplishing Things

Congress Accomplishing Things=Bad

382 Salem  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:03pm

Grahamnesty sez the Acorn thingy is out of the bill. I thought it had been slipped back in. That's a little different.

I honestly don't know what to think, anymore...

383 Catttt  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:06pm

How about all those illegal contributions to Barry? Like that apx 18,000 bucks (a bit at a time) from Mr. Good Will of Austin, Texas? Put his job and profession down as "loving you"? All sent via credit card?

We are talking millions and millions that Barry refuses to come up with info on.

Anyone in the MSM care?

Anyone in the FEC care?

Is this thing on?

384 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:23pm

re: #314 Dar ul Harb

Um.

Well, this isn't the final bill.

I predict that the conference report will originate in the House.

(Anyone?)

It is the final bill, no conference, Senate is in recess.

385 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:27pm

re: #365 cblesz

ACORN is OUT of this bill...

Well, that's at least good news.

386 Cartman  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #328 kevinmumaw

Saving to move to Vermont? Like I said. Weird.

Well, the guy is a social worker/community organizer working off of gubmint social grants. I think he's fanned most of his income in the direction of the DNC, or worse yet, the SP-USA. He's a wack job, fer sure.

387 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:53pm

re: #365 cblesz

ACORN is OUT of this bill...

Yep. I'm slightly less pissed now. F*** ACORN, lying extortionists.

388 Wishing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:53pm

re: #365 cblesz

ACORN is OUT of this bill...

I think you are mistaken.

389 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:27:53pm

It's been a really rough day en la Casa de La Amanda.

390 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:28:10pm

re: #359 KZnextzone

I thought it was funny when Barney Frank was willing to do whatever he could to garner votes,
sewed up Sen, Craig's vote!

Bipartisanship, "wide stance", same thing!

391 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:28:44pm

re: #367 Wishing

I see...and are you suggesting that this AYE vote has given Mac a boost with the MSM?
What he did was flip off his supporters.

No matter how he would have voted it will not be a boost. And this is not the first time he has gone maverick and told the American people to sod off. Remember McCain/Feingold? McCain/Kennedy? He has a history of doing crud like this vote.

392 rorschach  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:28:51pm
#344 nyc redneck

file, just don't put any money in the envelope. that's not a crime.
the crime is not filing or lying abt. how much you make.


Just so we're clear, I could file but just not pay? That's interesting.

393 Random63  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:28:54pm

re: #346 lifeofthemind

McCain needs to unload, here's a proposed speech.

The people who shamelessly forced the banks to create these toxic loans and infected the financial system with them are the same people who have taken vast sums of money from the peddlers of the trash mortgage paper. Now after the House rejected the first version of the recovery plan they shamelessly added in subsidies for vote riggers and the advocacy groups that created this mess in the first place and millions of dollars more in pork. Why then you may ask did I vote for this bill? I did it because they deliberately timed it so that I would have to accept their shameless and selfish plundering of the public treasury at this time or I would have to accept the possibility that hundreds of banks could be driven into insolvency and millions of working Americans could lose their jobs. As far as I am concerned those who larded this bill down with special interest subsidies are no better than kidnappers who are holding a gun to the heads of old people and children unless they get their way. They have won this round but they haven't won the war. Please elect me and elect other real reformers and let us start cleaning out Washington.

Why should I listen to McCain? He's just as bad as the rest of the Senate. Screw him...he's lost my vote and my money...I have to pay for this damn bailout now.

394 KZnextzone  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:29:12pm

re: #390 Occasional Reader
Hand us your wallet and bend over...

395 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:29:12pm

ot:

Your Children Are NOW learning that: "Christianity was started by a young Palestinian named Jesus"

396 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:29:36pm

re: #316 ChildOfMary

Excellent letter, COM!

397 Salem  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:29:38pm

re: #388 Wishing

I think you are mistaken.

Lindsey Grahamnesty just said so on Fox. Not that I trust the man at all. But it would be a strange thing to lie about.

398 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:29:55pm

re: #364 rawmuse

All this does is postpone the inevitable day of reckoning. It will buy us another few months at best.

I disagree.

Unless you mean that the bailout was a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to getting through the subprime-mortgage-induced financial crisis. Then I agree.

399 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:30:00pm

re: #374 nyc redneck

As far as I can tell, there's no appropriations to ACORN or any other similar group.

400 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:30:00pm

re: #286 The Shadow Do

Convert your cash to gold and bury it in your my back yard. All will be well.

401 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:30:12pm

re: #333 kevinmumaw

Do they not know who you are?

How many loubob57's can there be?

402 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:30:42pm

re: #389 MandyManners

It's been a really rough day en la Casa de La Amanda.

Oops. Don't do this is you screwed the pooch RE: the link.

403 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:30:56pm

SEC. 308. INCREASE IN LIMIT ON COVER OVER OF RUM EX
CISE TAX TO PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS.

404 Dasher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:02pm

SECTION 103 of the bill has a provision to bail out cities and counties, and unions who's pension funds are under funded... mainly because of super lucrative pension plans of public employees. Nothing to do with mortgages.

405 jaunte  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:20pm

re: #381 freedombilly

A short while ago I felt a great disturbance, like hundreds of hands had just reached into my wallet...
...
... to erase the distinction between those who keep their word and pay their debt, and those who don't.

406 spidly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:23pm

wyden (d) nay
smith (r) yea

407 ChildOfMary  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:23pm

re: #346 lifeofthemind

McCain needs to unload, here's a proposed speech.

The people who shamelessly forced the banks to create these toxic loans and infected the financial system with them are the same people who have taken vast sums of money from the peddlers of the trash mortgage paper. Now after the House rejected the first version of the recovery plan they shamelessly added in subsidies for vote riggers and the advocacy groups that created this mess in the first place and millions of dollars more in pork. Why then you may ask did I vote for this bill? I did it because they deliberately timed it so that I would have to accept their shameless and selfish plundering of the public treasury at this time or I would have to accept the possibility that hundreds of banks could be driven into insolvency and millions of working Americans could lose their jobs. As far as I am concerned those who larded this bill down with special interest subsidies are no better than kidnappers who are holding a gun to the heads of old people and children unless they get their way. They have won this round but they haven't won the war. Please elect me and elect other real reformers and let us start cleaning out Washington.

PLEASE, PLEASE send this to John McCain, his campaign manager, his speech writer, and anyone else you can think of. Maybe you can get him to actually fight and give the speech!

408 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:26pm

re: #351 Sharmuta

No- he should stick to reform and controlling spending and energy. These are things that are costing Americans more money on top of this bill. I think Americans will be more hungry for government spending restraint and cheaper gas/energy after this. He has to pound that home.

But Sharmuta, he doesn't look like much of a reformer right now by voting for this bill. And it takes his control spending theme right off the table . . .

Unless . . .

He comes out swinging tomorrow with righteous anger and says what #346 & #350 commenters suggested. Awesome, by the way, both of you!

409 GeeWiz  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:30pm

Here's a thought experiment for us to consider. Replace McCain with Palin and how would she vote on this bill?

I suspect it would be a different result, but thats just me.

410 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:30pm

re: #389 MandyManners

It's been a really rough day en la Casa de La Amanda.

Time for a romp through the periwinkles, perhaps? :-)

I hope things improve.

411 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:33pm

re: #393 Random63

Why should I listen to McCain? He's just as bad as the rest of the Senate. Screw him...he's lost my vote and my money...I have to pay for this damn bailout now.

This bailout may not cost you a dime. Just as the RTC didn't cost you anything, net, in the end.

I think the costs of NOT doing it (or something like it) would have been far higher. That is not to say that I'm happy with a) how this was rammed through the Senate, or b) the pork bullshit.

412 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:31:49pm

re: #403 spirochete

SEC. 308. INCREASE IN LIMIT ON COVER OVER OF RUM EX
CISE TAX TO PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS.

I vote YES!
/

413 kevinmumaw  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:32:15pm

re: #376 spirochete

TREATMENT OF S CORPORATIONS.—In the
23 case of the sale of a covered security acquired by an
24 S corporation (other than a financial institution)
25 after December 31, 2011, such S corporation shall
248
O:AYOAYO08C32.xml S.L.C.
1 be treated in the same manner as a partnership for
2 purposes of this section.


This looks significant but I don't know the real meaning..anybody here know?

Looks like they are stripping the S Corp protection afforded under the law whenever they sell a "covered Security", whatever that is. There must be a section that defines what a covered security is. IOW, rather than punish the business entity, they will go after the owner's personal property if they piss off the overlords in Washington. My 2 cents.

414 spirochete  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:32:21pm

SEC. 317. SEVEN-YEAR COST RECOVERY PERIOD FOR MO
TORSPORTS RACING TRACK FACILITY.

415 freedombilly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:32:32pm

re: #405 jaunte

Updinged and made a favorite instantly. Well said.

416 rorschach  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:32:36pm
#368 Walter L. Newton

re: #344 nyc redneck

file, just don't put any money in the envelope. that's not a crime. the crime is not filing or lying abt. how much you make.

Yes, but you are also stating that you owe (if you do) a certain amount. And this gives them the right to get the money you owe in so many ways.

And I think the point was that rorschach was trying to make was that he was thinking of commiting a crime so he could retire in jail.

Actually, the point I was making is this...right now, even though I don't pay a large amount of taxes, I'm not a drain on society. You all are not supporting me.

But, if I'm locked away, you will.

417 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:32:43pm
418 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:33:09pm

re: #414 spirochete

SEC. 317. SEVEN-YEAR COST RECOVERY PERIOD FOR MO
TORSPORTS RACING TRACK FACILITY.

Who's the Senator from NASCAR?

419 Occasional Reader  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:33:24pm

re: #395 WrathofG-d

ot:

Your Children Are NOW learning that: "Christianity was started by a young Palestinian named Jesus"

Oh, f**k me sideways...

420 SteveRogers  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:33:25pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Oh for Pete's sake!

If McCain voted against this, you guys don't think 0bama wouldn't have had a field day?! McCain might as well have handed 0bama his own head on a silver platter. Does the bill suck? Yeah- but voting against it would have made political hay for 0bama.

McCain could have been principled and voted against it.
All he had to say is the bill is laden with pork, and it rewards the very people who caused this.
Now he comes across as a hypocrite.
I'll still vote for him, hoping he only serves one term.

421 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:33:32pm

re: #369 guzziguy

Why aren't you running? McCain doesn't have the equipment to make this statement. He's way too busy being bipartisan

Lousy job but I need one, great pension plan, where do I start?

422 spidly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:33:32pm

re: #3 ArmyWife

Since the President started this, you really think he is going to veto it? For why?

think he said before that if it contained any crap he would

423 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:06pm

re: #393 Random63

Why should I listen to McCain? He's just as bad as the rest of the Senate. Screw him...he's lost my vote and my money

Oh goodie, now we're back to this again.

/President Obama, get used to saying it, hope you enjoy his Supreme Court picks because they'll be around a lot longer than he will

424 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:07pm

re: #398 Occasional Reader

I disagree.

Unless you mean that the bailout was a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to getting through the subprime-mortgage-induced financial crisis. Then I agree.

What changed here? Did new rules for banks get written? Did Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac get reformed?

I did not read the bill, but I don't see any of that.

I see the same clowns responsible for this mess congratulating themselves and patting each other on the back.

So, I stand by my original statement. We will need another bailout. And another.

425 lifeofthemind  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:10pm

re: #369 guzziguy

and Thank you

426 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:18pm

re: #405 jaunte

A short while ago I felt a great disturbance in the force, like hundreds millions of hands had just reached into my wallet...
...


Star Wads.

427 Bubbaman  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:30pm

It's time to throw off the yoke of tyrrany folks.

428 kaziggy2  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:50pm

Pukefest is all I have to say. One of my senators voted for, one against. The one who voted for is NOT gettin my vote. But then he is the same guy that likes to play footsie, so no big loss.

429 Joe Six Pack  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:34:54pm

re: #353 the_flying_pig

In his burial casket? So the dead do listen to iPod!

Umm, that would Kim il Sung, his DAD who is dead...Kim Jung Il is still alive and breathing and awaiting his place in hell with his old man.

430 WrathofG-d  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:35:08pm

re: #419 Occasional Reader

What is quoted is just one of thousands....there is also:

Jesus was a “Palestinian”, not a Jew.
· The Arab nations never attacked Israel. Arab-Israeli wars “just broke out,” or Israel started them.
· Arabs nations want peace but Israel does not.
· Israel expelled all Palestinian refugees.
· Israel put the Palestinians in refugee camps in Arab lands, not Arab governments.
· Palestinian terrorism is nonexistent or minimal.
· Israel is not a victim of terrorism or terrorism against Israel is justified.
· U.S. support of Israel causes terrorism, including 9/11.
· The intifadas were children’s revolts not involving adults or terrorism.
· Jews and Judaism are legalistic. Jews are only about the letter of the law and ignore its spirit.

431 Florida Lady  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:35:38pm

re: #398 Occasional Reader

Actually, ol' Lucy was the one who spilled the beans on ACORN funding being in the original House bill last week . . . so we have to thank him for that.

But not much else.

You hear that, Lucy? I'm one of the "loud people"

432 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:35:48pm

re: #422 spidly

think he said before that if it contained any crap he would

I am not very enthralled with GWB's ability to resist signing pork bills. But I sure would not mind one whit being proven wrong about this particular.

433 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:36:01pm

re: #429 Joe Six Pack

Umm, that would Kim il Sung, his DAD who is dead...Kim Jung Il is still alive and breathing and awaiting his place in hell with his old man.

Well, they're both quite Il.

434 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:36:15pm

re: #348 spirochete

‘‘(9) SPECIAL RULE FOR TAXPAYERS WITH OIL
16 RELATED QUALIFIED PRODUCTION ACTIVITIES IN17
COME.—
18 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—If a taxpayer has oil
19 related qualified production activities income for
20 any taxable year beginning after 2009, the
21 amount otherwise allowable as a deduction
22 under subsection (a) shall be reduced by 3 per
cent of the least of—

Cheaper gas?

435 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 7:36:36pm

Okay everybody, I need some help. My BiL