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Open | Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:01:02 pm PDT

A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.

G. K. Chesterton

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1 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:03:09pm

Yes!

Patching is done for tonight.

2 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:03:51pm

Where's Render?

3 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:04:04pm

Wow, tough crowd.

4 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:05:18pm

So, I was pounding nails into my skull this morning...

5 Rancher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:06:39pm

RE: The bailout;

Tax cuts for wooden arrows, that's what's important, did I get a tax cut for wooden arrows?

/Need to know if I need to start making wooden arrows.

6 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:07:22pm

Fark photoshop contest. I post as "chickyraptor" over there. I try to counter the prevailing moonbatism over there when I can.

7 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:09:03pm

So I'll pass along my really bad pun that I came up with this evening. NOTE: Please place sharp objects way out of reach, just in case.

Q: What was the role of the bomber pilots during Gulf War I?

A: It was a sheikh-rattlin' role!

/ducks and runs like hell

8 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:09:59pm

re: #6 Abu Al-Poopypants

Fark photoshop contest. I post as "chickyraptor" over there. I try to counter the prevailing moonbatism over there when I can.

The only time I've ever commented on fark threads was to call the moderators chickenshit for deleting a photoshop entry entitled "John Kerry's Bukake Dream". Darned if they didn't delete that too.

9 Syrah  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:09:59pm

Tomorrow is a new day.

It could be a good day.

A happy day.

Goodnight all.

11 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:10:12pm

re: #5 Rancher

I know this is a repeat but Wooden arrows? Even I can make wooden arrows. That's got to be a joke

12 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:11:43pm

Charles, I have a question: why is it that when I put my Ibook to sleep at night (with LGF still open on my menu bar), when I bring LGF back up in the morning, the individual ICONs are gone, and there are only little green footballs? I'm still shown as logged in, so I don't know why the individual icons have disappeared.

13 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:12:03pm

Well, after I got 5 votes on mine, they killed my post because it "bypassed the filters", so I had to repost it too small to read and you have to click on it to see it full size. One time I got banned for 3 days for accusing the moderators of having a Mall Cop mentality.

14 really grumpy big dog johnson  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:12:49pm

re: #5 Rancher

RE: The bailout;

Tax cuts for wooden arrows, that's what's important, did I get a tax cut for wooden arrows?

/Need to know if I need to start making wooden arrows.

Isn't market protectionism wonderful? We won't have buy cheaper arrows from desperately poor countries!

Hurrah for the domination of smart markets over sweatshops, which may be the only option for anything other than abject poverty for those people.

The world we live in. At least my arrows will be union made, rather than inexpensive.

15 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:14:22pm

Countdown to October surprise... tick.. tick..

16 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:14:25pm

re: #14 really grumpy big dog johnson

the good news is it doesn't take much to make your own, the bad news is unless you have a bow without training wheels it won't do you much good

17 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:17:47pm

re: #2 pink freud

Where's Render?

I haven't seen him in a long time. I'd like to know also, has he been around and I missed him?

18 kansas  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:18:02pm

re: #15 Mel Lono

Countdown to October surprise... tick.. tick..


That's tonight when Sarah crashes and burns.

19 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:18:03pm

holy smokes....it's October 1st!
What a surprise!

/need a real 1.

20 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:18:48pm

re: #13 Abu Al-Poopypants

Well, after I got 5 votes on mine, they killed my post because it "bypassed the filters", so I had to repost it too small to read and you have to click on it to see it full size. One time I got banned for 3 days for accusing the moderators of having a Mall Cop mentality.

In this instance, I think I can see why they had a problem with it. I mean, you used "Barack" in a non-reverential tone. Surely banning for life would be kind, much less how easy you got off.

/need I?

21 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:19:04pm

The world has gone mad. We have a rising tide of fascism in europe and 0bama in America. We are being sold lies everyday on tv and in the papers. And our elected officials do nothing but play politics with our lives and our futures. What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

22 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:19:53pm

What was the consensus everywhere on the moderating fiasco?

23 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:20:47pm

re: #11 srb1976

I know this is a repeat but Wooden arrows? Even I can make wooden arrows. That's got to be a joke

No it's not,look at this.

New Tax earmarks in Bailout bill
- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
- Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
- 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)
Tax earmark “extenders” in the bailout bill.
- Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
- American Samoa (Sec. 309)
- Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
- Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
- Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
- Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
- Railroads (Sec. 316)
- Auto Racing Tracks (317)
- District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
- Wool Research (Sec. 325)

Via HotAir

24 kansas  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:20:53pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

What was the consensus everywhere on the moderating fiasco?


Like it or lump it.

25 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:20:56pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

Help others.....and if you can't do that, at least don't hurt anybody.

26 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:21:30pm

re: #20 suboptimal

I'll sing 3 verses of "Sing For Change" as penance.

27 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:22:51pm

re: #17 gop_patriot

I haven't seen him in ages, gop, and I read many of the threads in their entirety, especially the late night ones he used to frequent.

Someone mentioned his absence a week or so ago, and this was posted in response, with no explanation.

28 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #26 Abu Al-Poopypants

I'll sing 3 verses of "Sing For Change" as penance.

I can't wait for the next hit, "0bama Uber Alles".

29 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:23:29pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Yup...Neofascists, Obamabots, and Islamonuts. And we're caught in the middle.

The only thing we can do right now is do whatever we can to help McCain-Palin win.

30 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:23:29pm

Well back to work tomorrow after the two days of Rosh Hashana to reflect on the important things in life--family, health, and friends. I work as a financial advisor and the past few weeks have been really rough-reminds me of the time period after 9-11. No one had a clue then either if we were going to live or die. We had the shoe bomber, the mysterious plane crash above Brooklyn ( a shoe bomb IMHO) anthrax and a total market meltdown. Here we are today. Life goes on, people fight the good fight. I prayed hard for McCain and Palin, which isn't a particularly Jewish thing to do, as well as praying for a dear friend with three beautiful kids who just had a brain tumor successfully removed . We are up against a monster who controls the media and things look pretty bleak. Don't give up! If we lose this round, there will be more.

31 Rancher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:23:54pm

re: #11 srb1976

It's real: Bailout with 'sweeteners' heads toward Senate win

And there were plenty of obscure tax breaks to go around, like one for certain wooden arrows used by children, and another benefiting litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

32 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:30pm

re: #31 Rancher

Bailout with 'sweeteners' heads toward Senate win

Nutrasweet, Splenda or Sweet & Low?

33 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:42pm

re: #23 x-wing

Wow! I couldn't have made up something more ridiculous than that!

on the other hand, my bow is a youth sized bow.....wonder if that counts
(trying to find a bright side)

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:51pm

re: #27 pink freud

Render doesn't want to be here anymore.

35 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:59pm

re: #27 pink freud

Oh yeah I think I saw that too. He is helping out over at that blog, is alive and well but just doesn't have the time to post here, I think?

Thanks for reminding me, I was getting worried. Again. Hopefully this time I'll remember and won't randomly start to worry again in the future. LOL

36 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:26:18pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

The world has gone mad. We have a rising tide of fascism in europe and 0bama in America. We are being sold lies everyday on tv and in the papers. And our elected officials do nothing but play politics with our lives and our futures. What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

so what's your problem with all that?

/white smoke

(my advice to you is to start drinking heavily. %-)

37 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:26:41pm

re: #31 Rancher

It's real: Bailout with 'sweeteners' heads toward Senate win

Was there anything in there for middle aged haole residents of East Honolulu?

/What, I'm not elite?

38 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:27:25pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Oof, didn't know that. Thanks. Just thought he was busy elsewhere.

39 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:28:19pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Thanks for that info, sharm. He contributed so much to my knowledge; I will miss him.

40 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:28:32pm

re: #36 redc1c4

Redc - can I ask what "white smoke" means?

I've seen it lots, but have never understood what it means.

:-)

41 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:28:52pm

Is there any way to identify which of these pinheads attached these stupid riders to the bill?

42 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:29:18pm

re: #28 suboptimal

I can't wait for the next hit, "0bama Uber Alles".

Jerry Brown & Jello will both sue for infringement.

43 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:31:29pm

re: #33 srb1976

Wow! I couldn't have made up something more ridiculous than that!

on the other hand, my bow is a youth sized bow.....wonder if that counts
(trying to find a bright side)

LOLO, I know, why do keep paying these idjits in D.C.?

I'm not sure it's the size of the bow,as much as how straight you shoot with it.

/I don't know where I'm going with that :>}

44 yochanan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:08pm

re: #32 Abu Al-Poopypants

i did not know you could make sugar from congressional PORK.

45 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:08pm

Consumer confidence is up in September, says Brit Hume. And the last growth report remains positive.

So why did Barack Obama flay John McCain alive when McCain said "the basics of our economy are still sound"?

Perhaps Obama should take a course on economics. Even with 6.1 percent unemployment, we're very close to full employment.

Obama sucks.

46 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:26pm

re: #38 gop_patriot

re: #39 pink freud

Render knows I wish him well. He also knows I completely disagree with his reasons, yet he persists. All I can do is wish him the best and let him go his own way.

47 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:53pm

re: #43 x-wing

I won my class at an archery tournament once, I was the only one in my class, but i got a trophy anyway. Don't claim to shoot straight though.

48 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:33:12pm

re: #40 Intrepid

Redc - can I ask what "white smoke" means?

I've seen it lots, but have never understood what it means.

:-)

from the now legendary "404 SOI Extract" as promulgated by RTO Trainer
A little shorthand of potential help to us in communicating intent:

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

it is/was a Usenet thing.......

49 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:33:59pm

re: #12 Intrepid

Let me rephrase that: Why are the individual posters' avatars gone when I bring LGF up from sleep mode in the morning? I am still shown as being logged in....

Just wondering.

50 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:34:26pm

re: #42 redc1c4

Jerry Brown & Jello will both sue for infringement.

I'm pretty sure Jello's endorsed the "Big 0", so it will be his first serious take on that song.

51 Rancher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:34:28pm

re: #37 IslandLibertarian

Was there anything in there for middle aged haole residents of East Honolulu?

No, sorry Bruddah.

/5-O talk.

52 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:10pm

re: #49 Intrepid

I believe we're auto logged out after 6 hours. So it might say you're logged in, but I bet if you refresh the page, you won't be.

53 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:24pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

well, give him my regards too.

it's a free country, at least until 20JAN09. %-)

54 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:49pm

re: #45 Intrepid


So why did Barack Obama flay John McCain alive when McCain said "the basics of our economy are still sound"?

And then came out 2 weeks later and said the same thing, except in a halting fashion that seemed to suggest that the teleprompter upload from David Axelrod's mainframe was slow that day.

55 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:58pm

re: #49 Intrepid

Let me rephrase that: Why are the individual posters' avatars gone when I bring LGF up from sleep mode in the morning? I am still shown as being logged in....

Just wondering.

we're hiding from you.....

56 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:36:12pm

Had a bad night with a lefty. After I slammed Obama on his ignorance, she asked me who controlled McCain, The Manchurian Candidate. I had no answer.

57 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:36:33pm

re: #45 Intrepid


You did hear that Obama now says that once we pass this bailout, the fundamentals of this economy(i.e. working Americans) will kick in and bring us out of this mess?

/you can't make this stuff up

58 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:36:44pm

re: #56 pat

Had a bad night with a lefty. After I slammed Obama on his ignorance, she asked me who controlled McCain, The Manchurian Candidate. I had no answer.

No one controls a maverick.

59 yochanan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:37:20pm

re: #51 Rancher

HOW About exit papers you racist colonialist

purple smoke

60 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:37:43pm

re: #48 redc1c4

Heh - I am not blond, but feel as if I am now.

:-)

61 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:38:52pm

re: #56 pat

How dare you question the wisdom of the Manchurian Community Organizer. You will be hearing from Security Minister Ayers once they seize power.

62 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:40:53pm

re: #48 redc1c4

Where does Purple haze come in?

63 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:40:59pm

re: #47 srb1976

I won my class at an archery tournament once, I was the only one in my class, but i got a trophy anyway. Don't claim to shoot straight though.

LOL, were you in the blind in one eye and can't see out the other class? Just kidding
Or as Red has shown us

/purple smoke

64 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:41:23pm

re: #48 redc1c4

So Stinky's got a lot of green smoke?

65 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:41:29pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I believe we're auto logged out after 6 hours. So it might say you're logged in, but I bet if you refresh the page, you won't be.

When I bring LGF back up in the morning, I hit the new comments button, and it gives me new comments, but still shows me as logged in. I can still post on that thread, but I only get the "avatar" pics on the next thread after moving up.

I don't mind it, I was just wondering....

:-)

66 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:41:48pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

No one controls a maverick.


Wish that were true, but he is robotic and plain silly. As in infantiley ignorant of what is happening. The 'friends' shit and robotic hand movements are a bit much. I am not alone. Everyone is talking about it. These people are not his friends. Obama is not his colleague. Biden already said he always hate him.

67 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:42:42pm

re: #62 Mel Lono

Where does Purple haze come in?

About mile 3 on a hard run. The 9 min version. Excellent.

68 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:43:27pm

re: #61 Abu Al-Poopypants

How dare you question the wisdom of the Manchurian Community Organizer. You will be hearing from Security Minister Ayers once they seize power.

Oh we discussed that also.

69 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:43:27pm

re: #63 x-wing

Close! Apparently women's traditional is not a popular class in tournaments, go figure. Note that I'm not saying I shot well by any stretch! = )

70 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:44:32pm

re: #56 pat

Had a bad night with a lefty. After I slammed Obama on his ignorance, she asked me who controlled McCain, The Manchurian Candidate. I had no answer.

you should have said "Sarah".....

after all, she's a mom. %-)

71 yochanan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:45:18pm

i recently asked a liberal who they will hate after this election i think the next target for liberal hate will be VPOTUS PALIN. we already see it coming from the feminazi's who seem to hate her with a un-natural level of political hate. P.D.S. = B.D.S.

72 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:45:37pm

re: #55 redc1c4

we're hiding from you.....

Green smoke.

heh

73 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:46:07pm

re: #66 pat

I think you might be spending too much time with liberals. I'm not wild about McCain either, but he's what we've got.

Besides- voting for someone on superficial grounds is juvenile. I agree with most of McCain's substance. Kick corruption in the ass and supply our own energy. He's got my vote.

74 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:46:20pm

OT.. oh wait there isn't one. I've been on/near this trail. It's beautiful country.
God rest his soul now. No body yet.

Fossett found

75 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:47:25pm

re: #65 Intrepid

When I bring LGF back up in the morning, I hit the new comments button, and it gives me new comments, but still shows me as logged in. I can still post on that thread, but I only get the "avatar" pics on the next thread after moving up.

I don't mind it, I was just wondering....

:-)

That's OK - I've been in techie hell for the last six days or so - after last Friday night's debate topics, something went horribly wrong and I have not been able to browse to LGF until late tonight! Talk about withdrawal - I've been going crazy trying every techie thing I could think of (every other web site worked OK...). Finally I was at a different location and therefore different network and was able to get LGF and send an SOS. After I got home and back on Concast, I could finally get LGF back. YAY! I am so happy - except when I think about the bailout :( Charles, if you had anything to do with fixing things for me - or even if you didn't ;) - THANK YOU!

76 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:48:38pm

re: #69 srb1976

Close! Apparently women's traditional is not a popular class in tournaments, go figure. Note that I'm not saying I shot well by any stretch! = )

I must apologize. Your gender escaped me. You have my respect for taking up the sport. I love to see women with bows and guns,and know how to use them.

77 winston06  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:49:14pm

have a great evening every one

78 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:50:39pm

re: #74 Mel Lono

OT.. oh wait there isn't one. I've been on/near this trail. It's beautiful country.
God rest his soul now. No body yet.

Fossett found

saw that earlier..... in a slightly different form. they also supposedly found a fleece shirt/jacket.

very strange.

79 spidly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:00pm

damn, the Khmer Obama kiddies have been pulled from youtube

Obama's gonna change the woooooooooorld!
yes we can can can yes we can can can

80 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #74 Mel Lono

OT.. oh wait there isn't one. I've been on/near this trail. It's beautiful country.
God rest his soul now. No body yet.

Fossett found

I'm active in the Civil Air Patrol, and there are rare times when a lost plane is never found or is found years later. There was one incident about ten years or so ago (before my time in CAP, so I may be off on timing) in the eastern US where nothing was ever found during an intensive search, and then about two years ago, a hunter walked into a forest clearing and there were the remains of that plane... When the crash site is in the mountains or large forests and there are no eyewitnesses, it can really be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

81 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:43pm

re: #76 x-wing

No sweat! I'm a bit better shot with my .45 than my bow anyway

82 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:53pm

After hearing about wooden arrows and wool research, the Nikkei was down 1.9% and the Hang Seng fell 1.4%.

83 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:53:14pm

re: #78 redc1c4

And a bunch of cash. Who goes on a short flight with lots of $100's except to buy gas, maybe?

84 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:53:50pm

re: #66 pat

Wish that were true, but he is robotic and plain silly. As in infantiley ignorant of what is happening. The 'friends' shit and robotic hand movements are a bit much. I am not alone. Everyone is talking about it. These people are not his friends. Obama is not his colleague. Biden already said he always hate him.

Uhm, the "robotic hand movements" stuff is because of his wounds. Deal with that as you will.

I agree that John needs to come out and hit Obama and hit him hard, and now that the senate has passed this bill, I'm believing he will.

But he will not put his own campaign over the good of the country! And this bill, as flawed as it is, is in the best interest of the country.

It's flawed, yes. But it will keep our credit flow going, and small businesses will stay in business if it passes.

85 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:53:57pm

re: #83 Mel Lono

And a bunch of cash. Who goes on a short flight with lots of $100's except to buy gas, maybe?

Pilots are crazy ;)

86 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:54:07pm

re: #66 pat

Wish that were true, but he is robotic and plain silly. As in infantiley ignorant of what is happening. The 'friends' shit and robotic hand movements are a bit much. I am not alone. Everyone is talking about it. These people are not his friends. Obama is not his colleague. Biden already said he always hate him.

his arms, and the rest of his body, are fucked up from years of torture and you think less of him because of that?

the "everybody" who are "talking about it" are all dumber than dirt, and so is anyone who spreads such guavno.

87 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:54:22pm

re: #79 spidly

damn, the Khmer Obama kiddies have been pulled from youtube

Still up there.

88 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:55:23pm

re: #87 Abu Al-Poopypants

Still up there.

That gives me the creeps....

89 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:56:07pm

re: #81 srb1976

No sweat! I'm a bit better shot with my .45 than my bow anyway


Stop teasing me. M1911 is my favorite handgun

90 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:56:24pm

re: #80 TnTx13

I'm active in the Civil Air Patrol, and there are rare times when a lost plane is never found or is found years later. There was one incident about ten years or so ago (before my time in CAP, so I may be off on timing) in the eastern US where nothing was ever found during an intensive search, and then about two years ago, a hunter walked into a forest clearing and there were the remains of that plane... When the crash site is in the mountains or large forests and there are no eyewitnesses, it can really be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

or the one here recently in CA where hikers found the wreckage of a training flight from 42-43, because the snow/ice melted enough.....

91 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:56:54pm

re: #89 x-wing

Ruger P-90 stainless with hogue grips...big fun

92 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:57:45pm

On Fox, Bill Sammon said, "The republicans want Palin to be Palin, but the democrats want Biden to not be Biden".

Heh.

93 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:57:59pm

re: #89 x-wing

Stop teasing me. M1911 is my favorite handgun

ever fired a Dan Wesson .445 Super Magnum? %-)

94 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:58:12pm

re: #90 redc1c4

or the one here recently in CA where hikers found the wreckage of a training flight from 42-43, because the snow/ice melted enough.....

Wow - hadn't heard about that one - Mother Nature can deal some bad hands to us, can't she?

95 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:58:27pm

re: #90 redc1c4

or the one here recently in CA where hikers found the wreckage of a training flight from 42-43, because the snow/ice melted enough.....

at least the family got to bury the pilot finally.

96 suboptimal  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:00:08am

0bama Uber Alles
-with apologies to bite me Jello Biafra

I am Sen-a-tor 0bama
Hoping for economic trauma
So I can be pre-si-dent

George Bush will soon go 'way
I will seize power and stay
I will command all of you
Your kids will worship me in school
Your kids will worship me in school

[Chorus]
0bama Uber Alles
0-ba-ma U-ber Alles
Uber Alles, 0bama
U-ber Alles, 0-ba-ma

Civilian security force will appear
You'd better watch your rear
Say anything bad about me
Free is one thing you won't be

Close your eyes can't happen here
I am your leader dear
Rationing all around
You're gonna starve you little clown
You're gonna starve you little clown!

[Chorus]

Now it's dark, just after four
Knock-knock on you front door
It's the NOI secret police
You've quietly disturbed the peace

Come quietly to re-education
So you can serve the 0bamanation
Don't worry it's just for an hour
And while you're here you get a quick shower

DIE on organic greenhouse gas
It's methane straight from a cow's *ss
You will die, and so will your mama
When you mess with pres 0bama
When you mess with pres 0bama

[Chorus]

--end

I now await the banning stick.

97 consanescerion  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:01:44am

I love Chesterton. He was an inspiration to C.S. Lewis and one of the best writers of the 20th century:

"Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten."

98 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:02:39am

re: #91 srb1976

Ruger P-90 stainless with hogue grips...big fun

Kimber compactII black with glo-sites.

/starting to feel like Tackleberry in Police Academy

99 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:04:50am

About these polls- I don't believe them. Zogby has 0bama up by 2 nationally, so I have to think the other polls are padding the number of democrats to republicans. I also wonder if any PUMAs getting polled are lying.

If they are padding these polls, it is to demoralize our side. We must use these numbers to double our efforts instead. Hopefully, that's what we'll do and these numbers will have the effect of lulling the dems into a comfort zone where they won't work as hard as we will.

But if we know one thing, it is this- the msm and their fellow travelers are not above lying to the public. I don't believe their polls.

100 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:04:59am

re: #93 redc1c4

ever fired a Dan Wesson .445 Super Magnum? %-)

No, bet that kicks like a mule. I've got a Dan Wesson 357mag. very comfy gun.

101 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:05:10am

re: #21 Sharmuta

Wait.

102 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:05:31am

re: #98 x-wing

I actually bought my husband a P-90 for his birthday, and he bought me a matching one for christmas so he could get his back = )

103 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:06:18am

re: #83 Mel Lono

And a bunch of cash. Who goes on a short flight with lots of $100's except to buy gas, maybe?

maybe he meant to fly south?

Henry?

104 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:07:12am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Hi, Killgore, did you have a good time on your trip?

105 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:07:28am

re: #99 Sharmuta

As I recall, Zogby usually polls likely voters, whereas the other pollsters often sample registered voters or Americans.

106 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:09:04am

re: #102 srb1976

I actually bought my husband a P-90 for his birthday, and he bought me a matching one for christmas so he could get his back = )

Sounds like a smart man. So what state do you guys live in,with you being an archer and such?

107 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:10:43am

Polls are used to manipulate, not Zogby so much but allot of others. They are really worthless until just before the election.

108 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:11:06am

re: #105 Abu Al-Poopypants

As I recall, Zogby usually polls likely voters, whereas the other pollsters often sample registered voters or Americans.

I remember various discussions from 2004 that indicated that the day (or evening) of the week when the poll was taken can also affect how many Republicans or Democrats are actually reached at home (some party more than others:) )!

109 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:11:12am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Thanks.

110 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:12:11am

re: #103 redc1c4

Got my leg kicking!

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:12:30am

re: #104 gop_patriot

I still have a few days left here in Mauritius. Yesterday was Eid (a national holiday here) so I went to a Muslim neighbourhood for Briani Lamb and came home to watch the Eid programs on while drinking Gin and tonics. I'm going to spend my last few days reading and lounging on the beach.

112 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:12:55am

re: #106 x-wing
We're in alabama now, moved here from Las vegas though

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:13:17am

re: #109 Sharmuta

Sorry, my african dialup account is too slow for youtube.

114 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:13:34am

re: #100 x-wing

No, bet that kicks like a mule. I've got a Dan Wesson 357mag. very comfy gun.

well, lets just say that if you're at a range that will let you fire, the wonder 9's all stop after you touch off the first round, and 44 anything is cheap practice ammo. %-)

yes.... mine is a very nice gun too. better than my Python, which is not junk.

HRH has grown fond of her (formerly mine) High Power.....

it's a small price to pay. (domestic tranquility. %-)

115 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:14:42am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Sounds wonderful. Enjoy the beach for me!

116 consanescerion  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:15:00am

Apropos to this election:

"By the Babe Unborn" by G.K. Chesterton

If trees were tall and grasses short,
As in some crazy tale,
If here and there a sea were blue
Beyond the breaking pale,

If a fixed fire hung in the air
To warm me one day through,
If deep green hair grew on great hills,
I know what I should do.

In dark I lie; dreaming that there
Are great eyes cold or kind,
And twisted streets and silent doors,
And living men behind.

Let storm clouds come: better an hour,
And leave to weep and fight,
Than all the ages I have ruled
The empires of the night.

I think that if they gave me leave
Within the world to stand,
I would be good through all the day
I spent in fairyland.

They should not hear a word from me
Of selfishness or scorn,
If only I could find the door,
If only I were born.

117 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:15:15am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

It's Samwise Gamgee talking about the Tales That Really Matter.

118 Crux Australis  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:16:27am

I really don't understand all this registered voters/likely voters thing.

In Australia every citizen over 18 is registered to vote. And voting is compulsory. And the polls are a lot more reliable than in the US.

119 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:17:16am

re: #105 Abu Al-Poopypants

As I recall, Zogby usually polls likely voters, whereas the other pollsters often sample registered voters or Americans.

Exactly. There are a lot of ways to manipulate these polls, and the "registered" over "likely" is one of the more frequently used ploys.

120 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:19:08am

re: #118 Crux Australis

I really don't understand all this registered voters/likely voters thing.

In Australia every citizen over 18 is registered to vote. And voting is compulsory. And the polls are a lot more reliable than in the US.

Well- in America we don't make people vote. So a registered voter is not the same as a likely voter since being registered to vote doesn't mean you actually will vote. But a likely voter is obviously someone who is likely to vote and a better indicator in terms of polling.

121 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:20:17am

re: #117 Sharmuta

;)

122 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:20:56am

re: #118 Crux Australis

I really don't understand all this registered voters/likely voters thing.

In Australia every citizen over 18 is registered to vote. And voting is compulsory. And the polls are a lot more reliable than in the US.

that's because, like many things here, voting is a right, not a duty.

people don't have to vote, and often don't....... doesn't stop them from bitching afterward though.

if people don't see their duty, what's the point of forcing it upon them?

123 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:22:36am

re: #112 srb1976

We're in alabama now, moved here from Las vegas though

What do you hunt?

My son passed his hunters safety course and he was so proud of hmself. I took him out to the range a few times and he seems to like shooting shotguns at claybirds more than a rifle at targets,so I'm going to try and get him out for Pheasant and Turkey.
I don't really mid that because I'm not really wild about sitting in the woods in winter waiting on a deer to walk by.
BTW I'm from Pa.

124 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:22:38am

I got polled yesterday by Obama's campaign. Short and sweet, they asked how likely I was to vote, who I would vote for, and how strongly I felt for that candidate. No BS, it must have been an internal poll. Those I would love to see.

125 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:25:17am

re: #124 Rancher

you must be someplace they're worried about.... i live in the belly of the beast (SoCal) and the local vote is a foregone conclusion.

126 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:25:37am

re: #123 x-wing

I'm not a hunter myself, we spend a lot of family time at the range and have a seven acre lot to play on. My dad (who lives right down the road) mostly goes after deer (they tend to be smallish here) and feral pig. our local national forest opened a no limit season on feral pigs as they were getting to pesky. basically, 4 weeks of shoot all you can find

127 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:27:09am

re: #124 Rancher

I got polled yesterday by Obama's campaign. Short and sweet, they asked how likely I was to vote, who I would vote for, and how strongly I felt for that candidate. No BS, it must have been an internal poll. Those I would love to see.

What did you tell them?

128 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:27:55am

re: #114 redc1c4

well, lets just say that if you're at a range that will let you fire, the wonder 9's all stop after you touch off the first round, and 44 anything is cheap practice ammo. %-)

yes.... mine is a very nice gun too. better than my Python, which is not junk.

HRH has grown fond of her (formerly mine) High Power.....

it's a small price to pay. (domestic tranquility. %-)


I understand, If it let's you keep doing what you like it's worth it.

I got lucky, my ex only cost me a nice fishing rod. Well not only, but ..

129 Crux Australis  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:28:13am

I suppose that people should just shut up and not complain about anything if they don't vote. They have a right to if they do.

130 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:28:47am

re: #129 Crux Australis

I suppose that people should just shut up and not complain about anything if they don't vote. They have a right to if they do.

That sums up my theory pretty nicely

131 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:29:33am

I should apologize for my earlier despair. It's not like me. But.... I've lost my Johnny Cash CD, and I really could cry over that.

132 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:29:52am

re: #123 x-wing

When we had the ranch we would get up around five, go to where the deer we watched all year were, get out of the truck, shoot one, dress it and be back home by nine. Now you have to win the lottery just to get to hunt and the public areas are crawling with hunters. Assholes that bought our ranch reneged on letting us hunt on the private land.

133 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:31:01am

If Obama gets elected, we're all gonna get POLED, if you know what I mean.

134 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:31:48am

re: #127 Sharmuta

Very likely to vote, very likely to vote McCain. Very likely was the strongest answer, they wouldn't accept guaranteed.

135 Crux Australis  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:32:04am

It's going to push 100F tomorrow in Sydney. Crazy for October I think. But for all of next week it's back into the 70's.

136 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:32:40am

re: #132 Rancher

the mill that I work at has quite a bit of land set by that they let employees hunt. Mostly deer and dove, and deer are bow only, but at least you know where everyone else is

137 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:32:55am

re: #126 srb1976

I'm not a hunter myself, we spend a lot of family time at the range and have a seven acre lot to play on. My dad (who lives right down the road) mostly goes after deer (they tend to be smallish here) and feral pig. our local national forest opened a no limit season on feral pigs as they were getting to pesky. basically, 4 weeks of shoot all you can find


Feral pigs. Does that equal wild Boar? I did hear a state did declare open season on them because those little bastards destroy anything and everything.

138 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:34:09am

re: #134 Rancher

Very likely to vote, very likely to vote McCain. Very likely was the strongest answer, they wouldn't accept guaranteed.

I would have been tempted to lie to them, but I'm evil like that.

139 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:35:44am

re: #129 Crux Australis

George Carlin on voting

I may not vote this time. The republicans picked a lousy candidate who openly admits to not understanding anything about economics during an economic crisis. He then picked a lousy vp with almost no executive experience and no understanding of economics or foriegn policy. I have no love for McCain, Palin, or the republicans. The election is theirs to lose and if they do lose they have nobody to blame but themsleves.

140 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:36:45am

re: #137 x-wing

Feral pigs are pigs who started out domestic, but have been living wild and mixing with wild pigs for a generation or 3. Not exactly the same, but they can still get pretty nasty.

And yeah, the reason they started letting people hunt them is because they were destructive to the point of being pests.

141 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:36:49am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

KT - are u channeling?

142 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:37:39am

re: #135 Crux Australis

It's going to push 100F tomorrow in Sydney. Crazy for October I think. But for all of next week it's back into the 70's.

it's been high 90's/100's here in the SFV hte past few days, and more humid than usual, which sucks, but that's not unusual (heatwise, anyway) for Septober, no matter *what* the transplants say......

143 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:38:51am

re: #132 Rancher

When we had the ranch we would get up around five, go to where the deer we watched all year were, get out of the truck, shoot one, dress it and be back home by nine. Now you have to win the lottery just to get to hunt and the public areas are crawling with hunters. Assholes that bought our ranch reneged on letting us hunt on the private land.


That sucks. Around here all the farmers are posting their land and wont let anyone on them. We have guys at work that are leasing land(extorsion) in the mountains just for a place to hunt.

Guys are getting fed up and discussing giving it up. Really sad.

144 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:39:15am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

George Carlin on voting

I may not vote this time. The republicans picked a lousy candidate who openly admits to not understanding anything about economics during an economic crisis. He then picked a lousy vp with almost no executive experience and no understanding of economics or foriegn policy. I have no love for McCain, Palin, or the republicans. The election is theirs to lose and if they do lose they have nobody to blame but themsleves.

sounds more like the Democratic ticket.....

what's in the water down there?

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:39:43am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Missing link: George Carlin on voting

146 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:39:52am

re: #131 Sharmuta

I should apologize for my earlier despair. It's not like me. But.... I've lost my Johnny Cash CD, and I really could cry over that.

Well, sometimes you just have to hear yourself say it out loud- and that reminds you that no, you're not a defeatist!

And about the CD, I know how you feel. I felt that way once when someone left my Eagles Greatest Hits cassette in the back window of my car and it melted in the summer heat.

147 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:40:14am

re: #141 Mel Lono

No, I just fortot to insert the link.

148 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:40:20am

re: #143 x-wing

That sucks. Around here all the farmers are posting their land and wont let anyone on them. We have guys at work that are leasing land(extorsion) in the mountains just for a place to hunt.

Guys are getting fed up and discussing giving it up. Really sad.

which is the intent all along...... so why do you need a gun if you don't hunt?

149 gmsc  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:40:31am

Now there's the "November 4 Voting Simulator", which only lets you vote for Barack Obama.

** rolling eyes **

150 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:41:04am

re: #144 redc1c4

sounds more like the Democratic ticket.....

That's what I thought!

151 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:42:32am

re: #136 srb1976

the mill that I work at has quite a bit of land set by that they let employees hunt. Mostly deer and dove, and deer are bow only, but at least you know where everyone else is

And they let them hunt for free? Lucky guys. The mill I work for used to do that, now they charge or not let you hunt at all.

What for job do you do?

152 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:43:14am

re: #149 gmsc

Now there's the "November 4 Voting Simulator", which only lets you vote for Barack Obama.

** rolling eyes **

If Obama's elected, that will be what the voting machine looks like in 2012.

/sarc (but only slightly)

153 gmsc  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:45:20am

re: #152 gop_patriot

If Obama's elected, that will be what the voting machine looks like in 2012.

/sarc (but only slightly)

Remember, voting against Obama is both racist and blasphemous!

154 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:46:10am

re: #151 x-wing

I worked in the chem lab in a steel mill. As part of our environmental program they keep a fairly large plot of land as wildlife area. I don't think they charge anything for hunting it....some fairly strict rules but that's it.

155 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:46:34am

re: #154 srb1976

I worked in the chem lab in a steel mill. As part of our environmental program they keep a fairly large plot of land as wildlife area. I don't think they charge anything for hunting it....some fairly strict rules but that's it.

worked....work, sorry

156 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:46:36am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Well then, George and I agree on this then. Didn't vote for Arnold, can't vote for McCain. And I'll have something to show for it on Nov.4!

157 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:47:45am

re: #146 gop_patriot

I watched Walk the Line this last weekend, and I've really wanted to listen to Cash since then, and days later I still can't find my Best of CD. I'm not happy about this. :(

158 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:50:39am

re: #154 srb1976

I worked in the chem lab in a steel mill. As part of our environmental program they keep a fairly large plot of land as wildlife area. I don't think they charge anything for hunting it....some fairly strict rules but that's it.


O.k. I was thinking a paper mill,like me. So is it the state or the feds forcing your company to do this environmental thingy?

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:50:45am

re: #150 gop_patriot

McCain said during the debates that he doesn't understand economics and I believe him. I think it was a serious mistake to nominate a candidate right now that admits he doesn't understand economics. I think it really hurt him. I think Obama has a faulty understanding of economics but he has never said he's completely ignorant on the topic. I think McCain would have done better to pick somebody like Bloomberg as VP. He has executive experience and is a rockstar econimist. I don't think Palin helps with independants and swing voters. Just my 2 cents. We'll know for sure in November, I'd love to be proven wrong.

160 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:52:11am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

I think McCain would have done better to pick somebody like Bloomberg Steve Forbes as VP. He has executive experience.

161 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:52:36am

enough worrying about the re: #155 srb1976

w*rked....w*rk, sorry

quit using obscenities!

/white smoke

162 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:52:38am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Um Palin has 8 years more executive experience than everyone else on both tickets combined.

163 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:53:22am

re: #160 Mel Lono

I'm not a huge Forbes myself but you're right; He would have been a great asset to the ticket.

164 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:53:31am

re: #158 x-wing

Not really forcing, there's permits and emission limits and all that, but the company is pretty out front on the environmental thing on their own. Being a steel mill, electricity is a big hitter on the bottom line, so energy conservation means more money to be made. Most of the other efforts fall into the same line of thinking too.

165 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:54:42am

re: #162 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes, she has a lot of experience as a small town mayor. I don't think that helps her much in the minds of swing voters.

166 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:55:34am

re: #156 Mel Lono

Well then, George and I agree on this then. Didn't vote for Arnold, can't vote for McCain. And I'll have something to show for it on Nov.4!

you realize that *not* voting for McCain is the same as voting for Obama, even here in CA, since they all important "national total" will be trotted out if the anointed one doesn't win in the Electoral College, but gets more votes. overall.

and don't tell me you don't see a difference between the two.

167 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:55:42am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I'm especially fond of a flat tax, but it never got much traction. Back then, if the mortgage deduction had been eliminated, would we be where we are now? hmm/

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:56:24am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

McCain is the one to appeal to independents and moderates. He needed to shore up the base, and that's what Sarah did.

169 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:56:49am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Bloomberg would have tanked with the conservative wing - Palin energized them.

Let's see how it all plays out. Obama doesn't know shit about the economy either, and neither does Joe Biden.

Sarah is on stage in about 18 hours. Her moment is coming.

It's up to her - as long as the McCain camp sets her free, she'll do ok.

No worries.

170 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:57:26am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Obanal doesn';t know shit about anything..... i've got a Persian cat with a better grasp of reality than the chosen one.

171 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:57:33am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

He must have said that before he died.

/Yogi Berra

172 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:58:25am

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Where was your vacation location, again? I forgot. And how did it go?

173 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:59:07am

re: #166 redc1c4

Well, you stole my thunder, but we still are a republic and in the PRC, my vote does not count. I stand on principle. That's the way it is,until we go to a national popular vote. Gore still thinks he won, but all he got was a stupid Nobel Prize.

174 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:00:16am

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Wasilla is the 5th largest city in Alaska, and as such the mayor of this "small" town has spent plenty of time in Juneau defending her "small town"'s interests. Hell Wasilla dwarfs my village here in Ohio. Insulting small towns is not a path to victory. And welcome back from Africa

175 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:01:47am

re: #153 gmsc

Remember, voting against Obama is both racist and blasphemous!

You mean we are allowed to vote AGAINST Obama?

/more sarc

176 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:12am

re: #164 srb1976

Not really forcing, there's permits and emission limits and all that, but the company is pretty out front on the environmental thing on their own. Being a steel mill, electricity is a big hitter on the bottom line, so energy conservation means more money to be made. Most of the other efforts fall into the same line of thinking too.


Do you generate your own electric or buy? We are self sufficient on that,we even sell some back to the grid. And you don't have to tell me about permits and regs. We have this guy from the state EPA that would like nothing better than to shut us down. The prick. Even though we built a dam in 1970 and donated land for the state to open a park.

177 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:22am

re: #169 Intrepid

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

178 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:23am

re: #175 TnTx13

You mean we are allowed to vote AGAINST Obama?

/more sarc

You mean we're allowed to vote?

179 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:57am

And with that it's 3am here, the boy who would not sleep finally crashed, and I think I will follow his example. Night folks!

180 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:03:00am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

McCain is behind in the polls because the polls are all bogus.

181 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:04:25am

re: #173 Mel Lono

Well, you stole my thunder, but we still are a republic and in the PRC, my vote does not count. I stand on principle. That's the way it is,until we go to a national popular vote. Gore still thinks he won, but all he got was a stupid Nobel Prize.

you still have to get out and vote down all the bond issues...... ~$45Billlion worth at the state level alone.

that and yes on gay marriage. why shouldn't they be as unhappy as the rest of us?

182 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:04:36am

re: #176 x-wing

We don't generate electricity we use LOTS, buying interuptible(no idea how to spell that one) from the TVA. Basically they can shut us down anytime they need to, but it's lots cheaper.

183 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:12am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

1) the polls are full of shit. Zogby has the race much closer.
2) because the msm is in the tank for 0bama and not playing fair.
3) this is pretty much the same thing we saw in 2000 & 2004- it's not over yet.

184 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:20am

Ok, good night for real this time

185 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:35am

re: #181 redc1c4

No question there. All the props, local reps etc. Just not John.

186 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:59am

re: #179 srb1976


Nite, thanks for the chat.

187 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:04am

re: #180 zombie

my eyes!

188 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:18am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

I hate McCain and would have voted for him only if NM was in play the day of the election. Now I will vote, and vote early, for Sarah. I never bought into the meme that nominating McCain would get us independent and liberal votes, and I didn't like the fact that the MSM pushed him on us.

189 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:43am

re: #181 redc1c4

that and yes on gay marriage.

yeah right

190 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:55am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

I was going to reply to this, but I'm just too tired and my post wasn't making any sense, so I gave up. :p

Now get your ass back here and vote for McCain.

jk ;)

191 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:07:18am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

You believe the polls, when we are 34 days out? You seriously are following the polls?

I thought you were smarter than that, Killgore.

Sheesh.

192 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:07:29am

re: #172 zombie

I'm still in Mauritius for a few more days. The culture here is very interesting and the people are very unique. I visited a Dravidian temple the other day. It's the oldest religion in the world that's still practiced. On the surface in almost indestiguishable from Hinduism. The Muslims aren't very friendly to Westerners, I was thown out of a mosque last week and a man selling extremist DVD's outside a mosque refused to let me buy them. Other than that everyone is pretty friendly and the women are slim and very beautiful.

193 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:09:02am

re: #180 zombie

Could be. We'll know for sure in November but I remember the koskidz refused to believe the polls last election and they were completely surpised and befuddled that they lost.

194 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:09:05am

I just browsed through Michelle Malkin's site and in the comments there are a lot of defeatist attitudes visible. The ones that have that seem to have problem with McCain not fighting tooth and nail against Ifill being moderator in VP-debate. That angers me for a few reasons. First, doing that would paint McCain campaign as whiners. Complaints tend to do that regardless of how valid said complaints are. Second, there is no room for you guys to have defeatist attitude. Not in these elections.

Over the years I have seen time and time again elections that were not free, and two things have stuck to my mind about them. One, there were tampering on voters and/or ballots one way or another. Two, media access was not equal and fair. And I say that both of those are visible already in these elections. You (I am Finn, so those are not my elections) can't give in and fall into despair. You can't allow that sort of tactics to work. You have to fight against it throughout as individual citizens (and state has to do that too), and at the voting booth you must show that those tactics are not the way to victory. To me it seems painfully clear that large number of Democrats have discarded the notion of free elections. Media certainly has. They need to learn a lesson that you guys won't allow it.

Ok. This is my opinion on the matter. Play straight, play hard and keep your spirits high.

P.S. To make clear why I care: 1) I Think McCain would be best choice for USA's sake, for my sake (yeah, my ass means a lot to me) and my US and Israeli friends' sake. 2) You guys deserve better than have your country fall to same category as Russia in regards to the elections.

195 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:09:40am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

I visited a Dravidian temple the other day. It's the oldest religion in the world that's still practiced.

Especially since the Branch Dravidians burned up in WACO.

196 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:10:00am

re: #173 Mel Lono

Well, you stole my thunder, but we still are a republic and in the PRC, my vote does not count. I stand on principle. That's the way it is,until we go to a national popular vote.

As an Obama supporter, don't you feel uncomfortable here?

I live in the most left-wing area imaginable. Wherever you are, it's worse where I am. I have never ever, not even once, seen a McCain sign. I'm surrounded by Obama Blue off to the horizon. And I'm in a state where Obama is supposedly up by double digits.

And you know what? I'm going to go into that voting booth and vote for McCain like my life depended on it. For all I know, the polls are all propaganda, and there are ten million secret McCain voters like me secretly casting our ballots. Anything is possible.

Hopefully, not too many of them will be like you and not vote because you believed the MSM propaganda and assumed ahead of time your vote will not count.

197 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:10:08am

re: #191 Intrepid

I thought you were smarter than that, Killgore.

Think again.

198 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:10:49am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Wow, unfriendly Muslims..the hell you say.

/purple smoke

199 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:12:32am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Think again.

Ok, I guess I will.

200 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:12:41am

re: #196 zombie

That's a good point. I thought 2000 showed us that a handful of votes could turn an election.

Besides- the Presidency is not the only issue on the ballot. There are seats for Congress and local elections too. Mel- you should go vote.

201 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:13:49am

re: #194 Purre

there is no room for you guys to have defeatist attitude. Not in these elections.

I completely agree with this sentiment. It helps no one and serves no purpose other than to discourage others from voting.

Btw, you have the world's cutest avatar.

:)

202 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:13:59am

I don't know if Mel should get yellow smoke or green.

203 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:14:52am

re: #196 zombie

zombie - i respect you and have followed your work. I choose not to vote for Sen. McCain as a matter of conscience. I made this decision 4 months ago, when none of my conservative picks made the grade. It is no secret here. I will not detail the list again, but he does not represent me or my ideals for what I think is right for the country. Come what may.

204 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:14:55am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

I'm still in Mauritius for a few more days. The culture here is very interesting and the people are very unique. I visited a Dravidian temple the other day. It's the oldest religion in the world that's still practiced. On the surface in almost indestiguishable from Hinduism. The Muslims aren't very friendly to Westerners, I was thown out of a mosque last week and a man selling extremist DVD's outside a mosque refused to let me buy them. Other than that everyone is pretty friendly and the women are slim and very beautiful.

I recently saw a movie filmed in Mauritius (a Bollywood sex comedy) about three beautiful Indian stewardesses all dating the same guy in Mauritius.

I have a friend who lived on the beach in Mauritius for a while. Said it was great! He also recommended going to the interior to see the mountains and the views.

205 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:15:03am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Think again.

maybe you should?

206 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:15:33am

re: #194 Purre

Thanks.

207 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:17:10am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Could be. We'll know for sure in November but I remember the koskidz refused to believe the polls last election and they were completely surpised and befuddled that they lost.

No, you got that completely reversed. They absolutely thought the polls were true. Remember that all the pollsters (except Zogby) had Kerry ahead on the final day. THAT's why the Kossacks were shocked. Not because they "refused" to believe in the polls, but because they accepted them unquestioningly.

208 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:17:11am

I'm off to bed. I'm sick and damned tired of all the nay-sayers and doom and gloom bringers. We're still 33 days out from the election, and some folks here have just given up. Or have allowed their distaste for the economic bill to sour their mood.

I, for one, will not be distracted. I believe in America, and I will not sit by and let Barack Obama to come in and steal my freedoms.

So take that, Killgore. I believe in America, even if you don't. Enjoy the rest of your holiday.

209 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:17:20am

re: #203 Mel Lono

OK- you stand by your principles then. However- I don't want to hear a single complaint from you about President 0bama.

210 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:18:07am

re: #196 zombie

In 1980, weren't there states that people were surprised went for Reagan?

I was not quite 14 years old at the time and I don't remember...

211 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:19:27am

re: #209 Sharmuta

OK- you stand by your principles then. However- I don't want to hear a single complaint from you about President 0bama.

(these are my principles: and, if you don't like them, i have others. %-)

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:21:03am

re: #204 zombie

I spent some time in the interior earlier this week. Fatastic waterfalls and mountain scenery. There's also a big lake where they built a large Hindu temple with a 70 foot tall Shiva statue. They make an annual pilgramage there once a year. Very cool. I'd love to be a beach bum here for a decade or two but it's just not in my budget right now. I'm saving up my money to survive 8 years of Obama.

213 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:21:19am

re: #209 Sharmuta

Actually, I'll be the first one complaining. I have that right, even if I didn't vote for his opponent.

214 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:21:42am

re: #202 Sharmuta

I don't know if Mel should get yellow smoke or green.

Well we could throw some yellow and see if he brings the GAZE.

215 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:22:21am

re: #208 Intrepid

Enjoy the rest of your holiday.

Will do.

216 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:23:24am

re: #209 Sharmuta

OK- you stand by your principles then. However- I don't want to hear a single complaint from you about President 0bama.


O.K. we're throwing yellow smoke. :>}

217 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:23:47am

re: #213 Mel Lono

Actually, I'll be the first one complaining. I have that right, even if I didn't vote for his opponent.

then we'll have to go with the duct tape option.......

pick a side. there's no standing on the sidelines this time.

218 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:23:48am

White Star champagne on ice, then./

219 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:05am

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?


I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

220 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:06am

re: #209 Sharmuta

--snip-- ... President 0bama.

That makes me want to run screaming from the room.....

221 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:53am

re: #211 redc1c4

(these are my principles: and, if you don't like them, i have others. %-)


LOL, it looks like we may have a party started.

222 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:57am

re: #213 Mel Lono

This ain't a frickin' purity test. This is about keeping America out of the hands of a frickin' marxist. You want to be a part of the problem or the solution? Or are you one of thoes people who thinks we have it coming?

223 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:25:22am

re: #219 DesertSage

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

Oh..my..gawd.....

224 Winslow  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:25:49am

Considering that Congress has an approval rating of about 9%, 'twould be an interesting turn of events if Obama took the White House, but the Republicans took back Congress.

225 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:26:08am

re: #201 gop_patriot

Hehe. Thank you. I have on another forums this same avatar with the additional text: "Mine is an evil laugh!" Yep, I liked Firefly. There is also the penguin avatar that I made out of this picture.

For the record, we have communal elections this autumn here, and I was happy to get my notification two days ago. So now I know where and when I can vote. I haven't missed a single vote and I won't ever if it is up to me.

226 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:26:15am

re: #203 Mel Lono

zombie - i respect you and have followed your work. I choose not to vote for Sen. McCain as a matter of conscience. I made this decision 4 months ago, when none of my conservative picks made the grade. It is no secret here. I will not detail the list again, but he does not represent me or my ideals for what I think is right for the country. Come what may.

Well, if we get Obama, you have only yourself to blame.

The election is not about getting your dream date. The election is about staving off disaster. By not voting for McCain, you are actively stating that you prefer Obama to win. Which is your prerogative, of course, but it's odd that you're an Obama supporter and don't seem to be aware of it.

The competition is not between some fantasy candidate you wish had been nominated vs. McCain. There is this thing called reality and in reality you have two imperfect choices; McCain and Obama. If you seriously, honestly think that Obama is better, or if they are absolutely identical, then by all means refrain from voting McCain. But if you think McCain is even 1% better than Obama, and yet you still refuse to vote for him because you're pouting, then I have nothing further to say to you.

I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't have time for pouters.

227 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:02am

hahaha

Look at the front page of FoxNews.com- it's the "My helicopter was forced down" story- a pic of a helicopter, Joe Biden with a very goofy expression on his face, and the caption says "Frequent Fliar?"

228 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:15am

re: #219 DesertSage

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

Holy shit!

229 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:36am

re: #219 DesertSage

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

OK, when they start reciting highlights of Obama's health care plan, it is seriously freaked out. Lizards, you ALL need to watch this...

230 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:59am

re: #213 Mel Lono

Actually, I'll be the first one complaining. I have that right, even if I didn't vote for his opponent.

Yeah, you have that right because better men than you risked their lives for this country, but your not willing to pull a lever that may save what they fought for .

/thanks alot bud.

231 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:28:05am

re: #221 x-wing

LOL, it looks like we may have a party started.

in that case, i'll get started on the fruitcup! %-)

232 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:29:36am

re: #222 Sharmuta

Not at all. We are the greatest nation on Earth, and will continue to be so long as we remember the principles that this nation was founded upon.

233 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:31:17am

re: #226 zombie

Do you really believe that 10 million conservatives are going to suddenly appear in CA and turn the state Red?

234 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:31:35am

re: #219 DesertSage

Oh my gosh, that's just... just... WOW.

The Alpha-Omega chant is especially disturbing to me, in light of it's Biblical meaning.

Holy crap.

/Plus it's really just awful from start to finish. Totally bad. Our tax dollars at work, huh.

235 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:32:28am

re: #231 redc1c4

in that case, i'll get started on the fruitcup! %-)

I've got some Puerto Rican Rum, if you want to kick things up a notch

236 Rose Parade  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:32:29am

re: #28 suboptimal

I can't wait for the next hit, "0bama Uber Alles".

I'm wishing we could upding a post more than once, because seriously...that says it all. And I'm starting to get kind of worried about it. Obama elected into the White House with what he thinks is a mandate from the American people to enact his "change" is rapidly becoming scary as hell.

Please God let Palin kick ass Thursday night. Also, the next five weeks cannot pass quickly enough for me, because at least then I'll know how bad (amnesty for illegals) or worse (socialism) it's going to be.

237 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:32:45am

re: #230 x-wing

Yeah, you have that right because better men than you risked their lives for this country, but your not willing to pull a lever that may save what they fought for .

/thanks alot bud.

Coast Guard veteran. Saved a few lives in my time.

238 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:33:21am

It must be nice to live in a deep blue state. It absolves you from all electoral responsibilities, apparently.

239 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:33:21am

re: #235 x-wing

I've got some Puerto Rican Rum, if you want to kick things up a notch

Need a double shot the way it's going tonight.

240 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:33:45am

re: #233 Mel Lono

Do you really believe that 10 million conservatives are going to suddenly appear in CA and turn the state Red?

Not if they all act like you.

241 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:34:06am

re: #234 gop_patriot

Oh my gosh, that's just... just... WOW.

The Alpha-Omega chant is especially disturbing to me, in light of it's Biblical meaning.

Holy crap.

/Plus it's really just awful from start to finish. Totally bad. Our tax dollars at work, huh.

It also reminds me of something else.


I begin with the young. We older ones are used up but my magnificent youngsters! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? Look at all these men and boys! What material! With you and I, we can make a new world.
- Adolf Hitler

242 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:34:33am

re: #231 redc1c4

Red, no yellow star for me tonight, please. Got my itch going.

243 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:34:42am

re: #230 x-wing

Yeah, you have that right because better men than you risked their lives for this country, but your not willing to pull a lever that may save what they fought for .

/thanks alot bud.

point of order: Mel is, AFAIK, a Coastie in good standing, and therefore put his on the block with the rest of us. i will strenuously disagree with his philosophy, but i will damn sure defend his right to be wrong.

(after all, he was likely an officer, so it figures. %-)

244 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:35:44am

re: #235 x-wing

I've got some Puerto Rican Rum, if you want to kick things up a notch

i'll use it to cut the everclear....... %-)

245 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:35:52am

re: #225 Purre

That's a hilarious picture!

I found some really cute avatars that people had made over at LiveJournal, but I don't know if they would allow them to be used in other places. I really need to make some more of my own. :)

246 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:36:00am

re: #233 Mel Lono

If Californian conservatives do not start voting now, they will never get that gap closed. Each time the numbers get close to even, more conservatives get activated and gap closure comes more and more possible. So not voting means things will be as tough if not worse in next elections. Every vote matters.

247 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:36:55am

This debate has gone on since it first looked like we would be stuck with McCain. Maybe four years of Obama would be worth sixteen years of Palin/Bush (Jeb) and a conservative congress. Without Jimmah I doubt we would have had twelve years of Reagan/Bush.

248 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:37:58am

re: #241 DesertSage

It also reminds me of something else.


I begin with the young. We older ones are used up but my magnificent youngsters! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? Look at all these men and boys! What material! With you and I, we can make a new world.
- Adolf Hitler

EXACTLY. Can you imagine what the MSM and Dems would be screaming if there were groups of young people acting like that over McCain or ANY conservative? This is getting really scary...

249 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:38:13am

re: #241 DesertSage

Yes. Scary as hell. The soldier-for-obama aspect is intentionally meant to intimidate.

250 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:01am

re: #247 Rancher

This debate has gone on since it first looked like we would be stuck with McCain. Maybe four years of Obama would be worth sixteen years of Palin/Bush (Jeb) and a conservative congress. Without Jimmah I doubt we would have had twelve years of Reagan/Bush.

The only problem with that is the damage that The One can do in just four years...

251 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:19am

re: #237 Mel Lono

Coast Guard veteran. Saved a few lives in my time.


Apologies due, Sorry.

I just have a problem with a conservative willing to give this election to Obama.

252 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:31am

re: #236 Rose Parade

Expect amnesty regardless.

253 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:41am

re: #246 Purre

We did and we do. Tom McClintock got elected to the House, even after his loss to Arnold. He fights the good fight against the odds too in DC. I say again,... Sen. McCain has not and does not support the conservative agenda.

254 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:40:24am

re: #242 Mel Lono

Red, no yellow star for me tonight, please. Got my itch going.

/me pours 3 fingers of single malt, single barrel scotch, water on the side, no ice.

i believe what we are up against is the life/text interface, in that not everything we would convey IRL is carried across the CRT.

255 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:40:29am

re: #238 Sharmuta

It must be nice to live in a deep blue state. It absolves you from all electoral responsibilities, apparently.

“If this is a blessing, it is certainly very well disguised.”

~ Winston Churchill

256 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:40:45am

With Pelosi and Reid running the congress and Obama in the white house...we may not last the next four years!

257 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:41:14am

Egads, I'm so sick of the doom and gloom attitude here! You want Obama to be president? Go ahead and not vote. That's your prerogative.

But for God's sake, don't come on here and spread your crap to the rest of us who still give a shit for this country and our freedoms!

Some of us still believe we can pull this thing out and win in November! After all, we've got more than 30 days to do so.

258 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:42:27am

re: #247 Rancher


No,no,no, no more Bushs' please.

259 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:42:33am

re: #245 gop_patriot

Making avatars is fun. :) Oh, if you want to make cute one, you can't go wrong with kittens. Here is a good example.

260 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:42:41am

re: #253 Mel Lono

We did and we do. Tom McClintock got elected to the House, even after his loss to Arnold. He fights the good fight against the odds too in DC. I say again,... Sen. McCain has not and does not support the conservative agenda.

Sure he does, that is what a political party is all about. He is the conservative agenda now. His Palin pick is a statement. If he wins, she might be President someday. She is a Reagan conservative. Do you know what the good fight is?

261 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:44:20am

re: #253 Mel Lono

We did and we do. Tom McClintock got elected to the House, even after his loss to Arnold. He fights the good fight against the odds too in DC. I say again,... Sen. McCain has not and does not support the conservative agenda.

In what dream world has Tom McClintock already been elected to the house?

262 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:44:56am

For Pete's sake! The PUMAs are not taking this lying down! It's a strange day indeed when I'm happier to have them on my side then some Lizards around here.

263 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:45:17am

re: #259 Purre

you misspelled "kitteh" LOL!

%-)

264 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:45:32am

re: #253 Mel Lono

He looks like Ronald Reagan next to Obama though. Seriously.

Whether or not we liked him the best, the American people chose him as the Republican nominee for POTUS.

The other choice is Barack "my Mommy and Daddy were Marxists, my close friends are domestic terrorists, my racist preacher for half my life hates America" Obama.

265 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:47:29am

Whoa! Are there 0bama TV stations?

[Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

266 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:48:56am

re: #262 Sharmuta

For Pete's sake! The PUMAs are not taking this lying down! It's a strange day indeed when I'm happier to have them on my side then some Lizards around here.

No freaking kidding, Sharm! When I get depressed in what I read on conservative sites, I go to the PUMA sites. They know how to get things done, and they don't whine like little babies about it. They just get busy doing all they can to elect John McCain and Sarah Palin.

If McCain pulls this thing out, it will be because of the PUMAs, and that's for damned sure! Not because of whiny conservatives who get their feelings hurt by every little thing that comes down the pike!

Sheesh.

267 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:49:15am

Is John McCain a Conservative?

FederalismMcCain is most clearly not "a conservative" on the issue of the appropriate role of the federal government. Here, McCain has taken after Teddy Roosevelt, one of his political heroes. Roosevelt viewed the federal government as the ultimate arbiter in the political economy with a particular role in being a counterweight to accumulations of wealth or power. He didn't much see a need for the authority of the federal government itself to be constrained.

Taxes
Prominent conservatives are still criticizing McCain for his votes against the Bush tax cuts. McCain defends himself by saying he voted against them because they weren't offset with reductions in spending. But that's only part of the story.

McCain also sponsored, along with Democratic leader Tom Daschle, an amendment to eviscerate the already modest reduction Bush proposed for the top individual tax rate. This was accompanied by rhetoric criticizing tax cuts for the wealthy.
Need more? It's all there

268 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:50:11am

re: #260 hazzyday

The long fight. I can wait.

269 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:51:14am

It's kind of like the conundrum supporters of bad sports franchises have. You love and want to support your team but if you keep supporting crappy teams there is not much incentive for the team to win. If we support the GOP's insistence that we can't have a conservative candidate then we will never get a conservative candidate.

270 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:52:18am

re: #267 Mel Lono

Get the heck over it and decide to vote for McCain or Obama!

Now is the time for supporters of McCain to pull together! Take your side.

271 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:54:15am

re: #267 Mel Lono


but how does he rate compared to Obanal?

this isn't a theoretical discussion about our preferred ideals, it's a nuts & bolts discussion of which of two shit sandwiches we're going to be handed in November.

think of it as a menu selection: how much distasteful crap do you want to have to eat? you're gonna have to eat some, but isn't it best to control who's & how much if you can?

272 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:54:40am

The PUMAs are emailing the Burning Down the House video!

I feel we are going to win because these people hate 0bama as much as we do. They're even calling for precinct captains! God love 'em.

Who would have thought this time last year we'd be thankful for Hillary voters?

273 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:56:35am

re: #261 DesertSage

You're right. I'm getting ahead of myself.

McClintock for Congress

274 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:57:58am

LMAO! The PUMAs are also promoting a petition for pelosi to resign!

275 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:57:59am

re: #270 Intrepid

you can't make me ... naaa naaaa naaa

276 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:58:11am

Fruitcup for Congress!

(at least it'll make the meetings on time! %-)

277 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:58:48am

re: #268 Mel Lono

The long fight. I can wait.

I can't. Do you remember the Carter years? I do, I was a teenager,but I remember the hardships my family went through, and I don't want to live that again.
The media picked our candidate, and while I'm not wild about it,I'm backing him because the alternate will destroy this country.

278 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:59:17am

re: #275 Mel Lono

you can't make me ... naaa naaaa naaa

i'll come to your bar and hang out wearing my worst Hawaiian shirts....

that'll get'er done.

279 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:59:26am

re: #269 Rancher

Thanks Hoss. Owe you one.

280 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

281 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:00:03am

re: #278 redc1c4

i'll come to your bar and hang out wearing my worst Hawaiian shirts....

that'll get'er done.

Got those kind of customers already.
But you're still welcome.

282 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:00:40am

re: #271 redc1c4

A turd sandwich or a giant douchebag, those are your choices. Now vote or die!

283 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:01:08am

re: #280 littleoldlady

Thanks littleol'!

BTW- te PUMAs noticed that the McCain camp will be picking up the pace in the up coming weeks.

[Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

We could learn a few things from these people.

284 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:01:25am

re: #282 Rancher

LOL!

285 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:01:44am

re: #281 Mel Lono

Got those kind of customers already.
But you're still welcome.

as long as i have $, right?

/can i run a tab? %-)

286 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:02:27am

re: #271 redc1c4

Whaddaya think red?

Would 4 years of Oblahblah make people see the light and vote in a real conservative in 2012 ?

I mean, that tactic is certainly proving to be a success already, isn't it ? They were advancing that theory as a reason why the Dems should be elected in '06, IIRC . . .

/& what a deal that has turned out to be!

287 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:02:33am

high LoL!

288 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:03:46am

re: #285 redc1c4

/can i run a tab? %-)

No, that's how we lost congress.

289 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:03:50am

re: #275 Mel Lono

you can't make me ... naaa naaaa naaa

If you don't, you won't get desert after your dinner. Eat your veggies now.

It's good for you.

290 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:04:10am

re: #280 littleoldlady

Hooray! Fruit cup ! ! !

291 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:04:23am
#267 Mel Lono
Is John McCain a Conservative?

If you care about this "conservatism" thing, I think a better question you need to ask yourself is:

Is Barack Obama a Conservative?

No?

Then why do you want Obama to win?

----------------------------

Reality: "Which do you want: Vanilla ice cream or a kick in the shin?"
Mel Lono: "Vanilla? That's not my favorite. I want strawberry flavor!"
Reality: "That's not the question. You only have two options: Vanilla ice cream, or a kick in the shin."
Mel Lono: "Strawberry! Strawberry!"
Reality: "If you don't choose, I'll have to choose for you: Vanilla, or a kick?"
Mel Lono: "STWAWBEWWY!"

[Scene deleted for propriety's sake.]

Mel Lono (hopping around and wincing): "Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch!"

292 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:06:04am

re: #277 x-wing

I can't. Do you remember the Carter years? I do, I was a teenager,but I remember the hardships my family went through, and I don't want to live that again.
The media picked our candidate, and while I'm not wild about it,I'm backing him because the alternate will destroy this country.

Yes. I do. I was a 3rd class at the Coast Guard Academy. I had an instructor/Capt TD Combs who was a fervent Carter supporter. He was also my student advisor and baseball coach. I was strongly in support of Reagan, who lost to Ford in the primary. We had debates in Govt class to the exclusion of the lesson plan. At the end, we agreed to disagree. Years later, at a reunion, he said I had been right.

293 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:06:48am

re: #286 Temujin

Whaddaya think red?

Would 4 years of Oblahblah make people see the light and vote in a real conservative in 2012 ?

I mean, that tactic is certainly proving to be a success already, isn't it ? They were advancing that theory as a reason why the Dems should be elected in '06, IIRC . . .

/& what a deal that has turned out to be!

not likely.... but my opinion of the average person is based upon my interaction with them..............

besides, i managed to survive the Carter years, but i was a young man then. i don't want to go through that again.

294 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:06:58am

re: #285 redc1c4

as long as i have $, right?

/can i run a tab? %-)

i have certain "privileges"

295 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:08:15am

'Morning, ALL! :-)

296 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:08:25am

re: #291 zombie

I don't eat ice cream. It's bad for me.

297 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:12am

re: #292 Mel Lono

Then damn, you should know better than the crap you've been spouting this night.

You admire "Winter Soldier"? I'm thinking you do, honestly. That's the vibe you give off.

298 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:24am

re: #296 Mel Lono

I don't eat ice cream. It's bad for me.

As bad as a kick in the shin?

299 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:32am

re: #295 littleoldlady

'Morning, ALL! :-)

i've never seen you topless before: that's a snappy "Happy New Year" to the LNDT!

300 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:35am

re: #280 littleoldlady

Good morning to you too! :)

301 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:54am

re: #286 Temujin

Or if Obama wins then the GOP might say, well we need to run someone even more left of McCain to win. But don't none of you think of starting a third party or you'll be surrendering to the Dems! As we move the party more and more to the left we still must support the GOP until there really is no difference between their candidate and ours.

302 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:10:47am

re: #292 Mel Lono

Yes. I do. I was a 3rd class at the Coast Guard Academy. I had an instructor/Capt TD Combs who was a fervent Carter supporter. He was also my student advisor and baseball coach. I was strongly in support of Reagan, who lost to Ford in the primary. We had debates in Govt class to the exclusion of the lesson plan. At the end, we agreed to disagree. Years later, at a reunion, he said I had been right.

I agree Reagan was the better choice against Ford and the RNC admitted that after his speech at the convention, but I can't for the life of me turn this country over to someone like Obama.

/were you one of those that went without pay at the end of Carters reign?

303 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:11:00am

re: #295 littleoldlady

'Morning, ALL! :-)

Still in turmoil here, LOL. Thanks for the fruit cup!

(perhaps it should have come laced with some spirits?)

304 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:12:18am

re: #299 redc1c4

More like headless.

/I don't know whether to blame the mere thought of mah fellow Amuricans voting for a communist or the matzoh balls.

305 akak  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:13:22am

McCamnesty is back Rancher, was only hiding around the corner. Still better than Obama even if he does let 6 million Iraqi's in.

306 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:14:36am

re: #303 Intrepid

Still in turmoil here, LOL. Thanks for the fruit cup!

(perhaps it should have come laced with some spirits?)

trust me: it was......

ask LoL about her security. %-)

307 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:15:03am

re: #297 Intrepid

Then damn, you should know better than the crap you've been spouting this night.

You admire "Winter Soldier"? I'm thinking you do, honestly. That's the vibe you give off.

Enlighten me. Are you talking about Capt.America's nemesis, the movie, or the Vietnam atrocity investigation?

308 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:15:19am

re: #303 Intrepid

Still in turmoil here, LOL. Thanks for the fruit cup!

(perhaps it should have come laced with some spirits?)

That's red's job.

/and to think I used to be resistant!
//Kool Aid anyone?

309 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:16:08am

re: #302 x-wing

No, but we did have a RIF shortly thereafete.

310 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:16:23am

can't save people from themselves, and i can't stop the clock..... L8r........ hasta y'all!

311 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:17:21am

If his vote mattered I would say vote McCain, but to sacrifice his principles so as to inflate the popular vote by one is pointless. I would rather make a statement by not voting for POTUS except for Sarah. And if McCain dumps Sarah because she's not a polished enough debater then no amount of Lizard pressure will convince me to vote for him.

312 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:17:26am

re: #310 redc1c4

Night red
/white smoke

313 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:17:40am

re: #309 Mel Lono

No, but we did have a RIF shortly thereafete.

What's a thereafete?

/purple smoke

314 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:18:23am

re: #238 Sharmuta

It must be nice to live in a deep blue state. It absolves you from all electoral responsibilities, apparently.

It certainly takes the pressure off. I'm ready for Chairman Obama to grab the metaphorical streering wheel of the country and yank it into oncoming traffic. I'm not happy about that but I'm at peace with that possibility. If it happens I'm not going to blame the press, the public or some grand conspiracy. The Republicans are responsible for their own loss.

315 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:19:31am

re: #301 Rancher

Sounds about right.

The RINOs here in the Northeast have that game down to a science!

/

316 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:19:53am

Another reason I can't buy into the polls- the PUMAs are everywhere and they're claiming their numbers are growing.

[Link: www.democratsformccain.com...]

317 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:21:37am

re: #311 Rancher

I'd have to really contemplate my decision if that were to happen.

I'm pretty sure I'd still vote for Mac, but I'd be very disgruntled doing it. And praying a Rep would run against him in 2012.

318 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:21:50am

re: #307 Mel Lono

Enlighten me. Are you talking about Capt.America's nemesis, the movie, or the Vietnam atrocity investigation?

Sorry, why do you ask this? What is your motivation?

319 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:22:13am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

It certainly takes the pressure off. I'm ready for Chairman Obama to grab the metaphorical streering wheel of the country and yank it into oncoming traffic. I'm not happy about that but I'm at peace with that possibility. If it happens I'm not going to blame the press, the public or some grand conspiracy. The Republicans are responsible for their own loss.

Actually, I thought it was going to be all my fault. I can handle that.

320 middlecon  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:23:54am

I support McCain and will vote for him, in a state that is usually red but looks a little pink in some maps.

However its always funny to me to read basically the same story at both conservative and liberal blogs...you both agree on one thing:

If [your candidate] isn't elected, the nation is doomed to fail.

I have WAY more faith in the USA than to think that one presidency can bring down a nation.

321 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:24:37am

re: #318 Intrepid

r

e: #297 Intrepid

Then damn, you should know better than the crap you've been spouting this night.

You admire "Winter Soldier"? I'm thinking you do, honestly. That's the vibe you give off.

Was there a question there? If not, I meant no harm.

322 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:24:49am

With as close as the last few elections have been, even a fraction of Hillary's 18 million votes will be the difference. We have those votes. They won't go for 0bama no matter what. I think we'll end up winning because of these temporary allies.

323 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:25:41am

re: #321 Mel Lono

r

Was there a question there? If not, I meant no harm.

Still asking why you're questioning?

324 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:26:31am

re: #323 Intrepid

Winter Soldier is .............?

325 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:26:47am

Morning. Any fruitcup left? Little did add a lot of booze this morning didn't she?

326 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:27:20am

re: #320 middlecon

I have WAY more faith in the USA than to think that one presidency can bring down a nation.

We are still paying for the Carter presidency.

If you doubt that, take another look at Iran.

327 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:27:38am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

If it happens I'm not going to blame the press, the public or some grand conspiracy.

I know you have a spotty internet connection, so you might not have seen this post that Charles put up. Sadly, it's hardly a grand conspiracy. Just a thought.

328 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:28:07am

re: #322 Sharmuta

With as close as the last few elections have been, even a fraction of Hillary's 18 million votes will be the difference. We have those votes. They won't go for 0bama no matter what. I think we'll end up winning because of these temporary allies.

Maybe not so temporary Sharmuta. Every now and then we have a huge shift in the makeup of our political parties. Seems to be about time for another one.

329 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:29:16am

re: #324 Mel Lono

Winter Soldier is .............?

This is Winter Solider

330 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:29:33am

re: #325 galloping granny

I had help...

'Morning, granny! :-)

331 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:30:33am

re: #325 galloping granny

Morning, gg !

332 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:30:42am

re: #327 gop_patriot

I have no doubt that the press is in the tank for Obama. It's not a secret.

333 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:31:05am

re: #329 Intrepid

This is Winter Solider

ok.. why is relevant to this discussion?

334 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:35:28am

re: #328 galloping granny

Maybe not so temporary Sharmuta. Every now and then we have a huge shift in the makeup of our political parties. Seems to be about time for another one.

I think this is a one shot deal with this bloc. I hope our side doesn't screw it up.
With every thing going the Dems. way this cycle, they were blowing it, and now it seems like we're giving them a mulligan.

335 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:37:15am

re: #295 littleoldlady

'Morning, ALL! :-)

Morning Maam! Sorry, had my hands full.

336 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:38:57am

re: #335 Mel Lono

...a likely excuse!

;-)

337 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:39:46am

re: #334 x-wing

I think this is a one shot deal with this bloc. I hope our side doesn't screw it up.
With every thing going the Dems. way this cycle, they were blowing it, and now it seems like we're giving them a mulligan.

I would agree with you except that I have some vague idea of just how many folks who hang out here used to be "democrats."

338 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:42:29am

re: #317 x-wing

I suppose I'd still vote for him too, but only because NM will be close.

/But I wouldn't admit it to anyone.

339 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:44:34am

re: #337 galloping granny

I would agree with you except that I have some vague idea of just how many folks who hang out here used to be "democrats."

I'll take your word on that maam. But looking around at other right leaning sites, there's alot of pessimism going on. I'm still holding out hope.

/always the optimist

340 saltmarsh  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:44:55am

:Boy Yogi, Obama has his own marching chanting diatribe reciting youts.

:Yeah Boo Boo, they make sudden moves, dress alike, think alike, and exhibit a highly defined oneness. They have all the makings of a real chain gang.

:That sounds racist Yogi.

:It's worse than racist Boo Boo, he's shackled these children at the mind and they may never know freedom again. This one is another Jim Jones.

341 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:45:15am

re: #338 Rancher

Goodnight Hoss. Thanks for the cover. Haven't had it this hot in awhile, but I guess it's crunch time.

342 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:45:18am

re: #337 galloping granny

I would agree with you except that I have some vague idea of just how many folks who hang out here used to be "democrats."

“Every Harlot was a Virgin once.” ~ William Blake

/Not implying anything . . .

343 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:45:47am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt that the press is in the tank for Obama. It's not a secret.

OK, you've not been on much so I didn't know your opinion on that... I was just pointing out that it's hardly a conspiracy if it's not a secret. Kind of like it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you... That in this instance, some of the blame can be laid on the media, it's not just a failure by the Republicans. That's all. :)

344 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:47:01am

re: #339 x-wing

I'll take your word on that maam. But looking around at other right leaning sites, there's alot of pessimism going on. I'm still holding out hope.

/always the optimist

I think the pessimism is a whole different ballgame than whether or not the PUMAs are going to return to the fold of the Democrat party.

Note to pessimists - it is always darkest before the dawn.

345 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:47:28am

re: #338 Rancher

I suppose I'd still vote for him too, but only because NM will be close.

/But I wouldn't admit it to anyone.


Your secret is safe with me. I'm usually blabby, but on this, mums the word.

346 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:50:39am

so, I'm watching the O'Reilly rerun and he is showing part of the clip of the Herr Obama Children's Chorus. Unfortunately he cut the clip just before "and rearrange it." BTW, O'Reilly the idiot seems to see nothing at all wrong with it.

347 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:50:44am

Well, I'm outta here, heading to bed finally. :)

Hope y'all have a great day tomorrow.

And Killgore, if I don't see you here again before you leave to come home, have a safe trip.

Goodnight!

348 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:52:16am

re: #268 Mel Lono

The long fight. I can wait.

/those Obama Supreme Court picks are appointments for life

349 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:54:04am

'Night, gop! :-)

Coffee is starting to kick in...

Mel,

Am I to understand that you're not voting at all?

350 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:55:09am

HMMM - I wonder when we are going to be asked to bail out GE?

351 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:55:30am

re: #349 littleoldlady


Mel has left the room

352 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:56:07am

The left try to erase creepy Obama video from history

Remember that Obama video? The one with all the kids, that was like an eerily cross between Children of the Damned and the Aryan kid in Caberet singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"

Well it's now been removed from youtube.

Daily Kos has also been purging it - from here )but there's still a version on Google Cache) and here although the person behind the video still has a diary on the site.

Obama's official site has removed it from here (Google Cache)

Now the big question - are they suddenly embarrassed that the Cult worship is too obvious, or are they ashamed at the way they brainwashed kids.

Must be something like that, otherwise why remove the video and all references to it?

353 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:56:13am

re: #350 galloping granny

THAT will make O'Reilly's head explode!

354 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:56:44am

re: #350 galloping granny

HMMM - I wonder when we are going to be asked to bail out GE?

Isn't Warren Buffet jumping into GE with both feet?

355 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:59:16am

re: #352 uptight

The left try to erase creepy Obama video from history

Remember that Obama video? The one with all the kids, that was like an eerily cross between Children of the Damned and the Aryan kid in Caberet singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"

Well it's now been removed from youtube.

Daily Kos has also been purging it - from here )but there's still a version on Google Cache) and here although the person behind the video still has a diary on the site.

Obama's official site has removed it from here (Google Cache)

Now the big question - are they suddenly embarrassed that the Cult worship is too obvious, or are they ashamed at the way they brainwashed kids.

Must be something like that, otherwise why remove the video and all references to it?

I would not say they are embarrassed that the cult worship was too obvious. I would say that they are flabbergasted that so many people saw right through the mask. The "elite" really do think that we are all stupid sheep you know.

356 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:59:18am

re: #351 x-wing

Is that what he said? He's not voting at all?

357 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:59:29am

re: #354 x-wing

Isn't Warren Buffet jumping into GE with both feet?

Yup.

358 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:00:09am

re: #352 uptight

It reminded you of that scene from Cabaret, too? Glad to hear that; I was beginning to think I was paranoid . . .

359 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:00:27am

re: #352 uptight

Did you see Obamas band of Militant Mus...er..Militant Inner City Youth up thread?

360 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:00:44am

re: #353 littleoldlady

THAT will make O'Reilly's head explode!

I don't know Little. I have been thinking for quite some while now that O'Reilly is in the tank for Obama too.

361 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:30am

Dow futures is down this morning after the passage of Porkapalooza last night. (credit to Steve Doocie)

362 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:31am

Good? Morning lizzards. So they are gonna let the O steal Ohio.?
With this early voteing crap.

363 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:53am

re: #356 littleoldlady

Is that what he said? He's not voting at all?

He said he's not voting for Pres.

364 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:58am

re: #359 x-wing

Did you see Obamas band of Militant Mus...er..Militant Inner City Youth up thread?

where up page?

365 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:03:31am

re: #360 galloping granny

I don't know Little. I have been thinking for quite some while now that O'Reilly is in the tank for Obama too.

But not for GE. He's had it out for GE for a long time.

366 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:05:20am

re: #362 Oldasdirt

Light sleeper are we?

/I should get my ass to bed.

367 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:05:47am

re: #364 galloping granny

where up page?

Hang on

368 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:06:17am

re: #366 x-wing

Cant sleep,,someone is stealing my country

369 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:06:59am

re: #368 Oldasdirt

Cant sleep,,someone is stealing my country

I hear you. I woke up about 4 with nightmares about that. I don't have nightmares.

370 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:08:11am

erata - the diary at Kos was NOT by the person responsible for the video

371 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:08:24am

G*D dammit,,there stealing my money too,,,,WTF

372 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:08:46am

re: #369 galloping granny

gg : you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you . . .

373 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:09:09am

re: #364 galloping granny

where up page?

Here you go


374 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:10:06am

Good Lord In Heaven, look at this -

An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst's requests have largely been ignored. "I can't get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it."

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

375 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:10:21am

re: #358 Temujin

It reminded you of that scene from Cabaret, too? Glad to hear that; I was beginning to think I was paranoid . . .

many people instantly thought the same - check out the er..."tribute" videos to this one

Ed Morrissey at Hotair, also made the connection

376 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:11:15am

Good morning, Lizards.

377 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:12:22am

re: #368 Oldasdirt

Cant sleep,,someone is stealing my country

I with you on that. I not really even that tired, and I've had Little Old Ladies spiked fruit cup.
I must say, Red did a heck of a job with the Everclear.

378 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:12:43am

re: #373 x-wing

Here you go


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Hitler Jugend. There is simply no other parallel to draw. When youth groups become politicized to an individual rather than an idea, we are in great big trouble.

379 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:13:43am

re: #376 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good Morning goddess. BTW, can I grab a copy of that rubric you hand out to your kiddies, pretty please? The one you mentioned the other day. . .

380 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:14:26am

re: #352 uptight

You know it's bad when even Matt Drudge makes a crack about "Dear Leader".

381 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:14:37am

re: #359 x-wing

Did you see Obamas band of Militant Mus...er..Militant Inner City Youth up thread?

which thread?

382 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:05am

re: #375 uptight

Guess that clinches it.

Obama uber alles !

383 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:07am

Tried to sleep.But i keep thinking,,there stealing the election in Ohio.
Gwin Ifill will be fair?
MSM is in tank for the O.
John McCain asked me to stand up and fight with, him so i did,,but i look around,,and i cant find McCain.
And yesterday,,my senators ask me to bend over and take it.

384 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:26am

re: #375 uptight

many people instantly thought the same - check out the er..."tribute" videos to this one

Ed Morrissey at Hotair, also made the connection

The Obama kids video done by Universal Studios is gone though. Somebody who grabbed a copy should rename it and upload it again.

385 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:41am

re: #376 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning Goddess, sleep well I hope.

386 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:16:21am

re: #381 uptight


See #378

387 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:16:23am

re: #374 galloping granny

Good Lord In Heaven, look at this -

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

Can't there be SOMETHING that brings this guy down?!

388 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:17:07am

re: #378 galloping granny

Hitler Jugend. There is simply no other parallel to draw. When youth groups become politicized to an individual rather than an idea, we are in great big trouble.

And by the way, did you notice that these kids are all spiffed out in paramilitary uniforms?

389 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:17:48am

re: #387 TheMatrix31

Can't there be SOMETHING that brings this guy down?!

THE AMERICAN VOTER.

/period. full stop.

390 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:17:48am

re: #387 TheMatrix31

Can't there be SOMETHING that brings this guy down?!

Apparently not. Obama is the Teflon Feuhrer.

391 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:18:39am

re: #385 x-wing

Morning Goddess, sleep well I hope.

{x-wing}

Yes, thank you, and even better, I ate well yesterday. I've been stress-snacking way too much.

392 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:18:43am

re: #229 TnTx13

OK, when they start reciting highlights of Obama's health care plan, it is seriously freaked out. Lizards, you ALL need to watch this...

Gawd!

Watch this - and if after seeing this you're not going out full tilt to prevent that man from getting into the White House, then you deserve whats coming.

E-mail it everywhere, to the PUMAs, the McCain campaing, everywhere!

Ask yourselves this: what meaning has your right and correct disgust about the rise of Nazi-Parties in Europe when this is actually happening on your own doorstep - and you (still) have a chance of preventing this, but do not because of idealistic niceties about what is true conservatism? Or because the polls make you feel doomed?

I know most Lizards here are fully committed - my question is for those who aren't!
Sorry I blew my top. I can't describe how sick this video makes me!

Oh - good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizards.

393 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:20:04am

oh - I got it

"Because of Obama I'm going to run the World Bank....now would you like fries with that sir?"

394 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:21:01am

re: #388 galloping granny

Weren't there stories a few weeks back about Obama proposing some kind of permanent youth organization?

Perhaps I should have paid closer attention to that one!

395 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:23:08am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

{x-wing}

Yes, thank you, and even better, I ate well yesterday. I've been stress-snacking way too much.

You look just fine from here. And what's a little snack between friends. :>}

I don't know if you saw,but newsjunkie ky lost her dog the other day and is taking it hard. Could you add her in your prayers, if you are not already.

396 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:23:40am

re: #394 Temujin

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

But I can't find the link :-(

397 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:23:53am

re: #374 galloping granny

Now this just pisses me off..WTF...they investigate Bush in 92,,but wont look into this.
Thats right politicians,keep talking,,I'm reloading

398 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:24:04am

Look at the description on that video -

Urban middle school students uniquely display their understanding of the democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama's health care reform plan. The chant "omega, alpha" symbolizes the end of the old way of thinking, and the newness in their ideas and thoughts. Barack Obama has invoked thought even in the minds of the youth.

Campaign activity in public schools is illegal!

399 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:24:45am

re: #395 x-wing

Done, Thanks for letting me know--I'm sorry to here that.

400 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:25:33am

re: #394 Temujin

Weren't there stories a few weeks back about Obama proposing some kind of permanent youth organization?

Perhaps I should have paid closer attention to that one!

More than a few weeks ago. He has made the comments about a civilian security force as large, well equipped and well funded as the US military is today a number of times, going back for many months.

401 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:26:21am

re: #383 Oldasdirt

No- the PUMAs noticed McCain is working on fighting these last couple weeks. We need to keep fighting. We need to get involved because McCain is look for us to.

402 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:26:29am

re: #399 goddessoftheclassroom

Done, Thanks for letting me know--I'm sorry to here that.

Oops, distraction moment: "hear that."

403 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:26:53am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Here's a different link.

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."

404 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:27:27am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Yes, that sounds like what I was recalling . . .

I swear, this guy generates so much disturbing news, you need an organized system just to keep track of it!

405 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:31:21am

re: #402 goddessoftheclassroom

Oops, distraction moment: "hear that."


I didn't even catch that. When I read your posts, it's like you're speaking to me. I don't see letters.


/you truly are a goddess.

406 Oldasdirt[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:33:28am
407 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:35:31am

re: #401 Sharmuta

No- the PUMAs noticed McCain is working on fighting these last couple weeks. We need to keep fighting. We need to get involved because McCain is look for us to.

Exactly. You can't quit fighting when the fighting gets a little tough and it looks like you might lose the battle. You have to redouble your efforts to WIN.

Start by sending that video around to everyone you know. Do not forget to address all of them as BCC - not CC. Otherwise you will send out everyone's email address.

There is a LEGAL paramilitary group for kids. It is called Junior ROTC. Very effective. Shown the door in liberal school districts.

408 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:37:53am

re: #406 Oldasdirt

Be VERY CAREFUL with statements like that Oldasdirt. You will arouse Stinky's wrath, and perhaps bring yourself to notice you don't want. Just so you know and are not surprised, I am reporting this comment so that somebody can delete it. Nothing personal at all. Most of us have made comments we wished we could take back about 3 milliseconds after we push the button.

409 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:38:53am

Hi Everyone!

Littleoldlady! : )

Been thinking of you quite a bit! I've come across lots of Littles lately.

410 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:39:20am

re: #403 littleoldlady

Here's a different link.

SAVE THE PAGE! Grab a screen shot. If you use Firefox, you can get a plugin called FireShot that will take a screen shot of the entire page, not just what appears in your browser window.

411 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:39:49am

re: #406 Oldasdirt

Maybe all it would take is a game of one on one with Saracuda.

412 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:39:54am

re: #408 galloping granny

No problem!

413 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:41:52am

re: #409 little blessing

little blessing!

We're gonna take over the world!

/variation on today's theme

414 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:42:08am

re: #412 Oldasdirt

No problem!

Remember while hanging out here that not only do the newsies use this as a resource for what is "news" today, the looneytunes hang out here fishing for the slightest comment to exploit. If they can exploit it by complaining to any authority anywhere they have and they will.

415 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:43:30am

re: #413 littleoldlady

little blessing!

We're gonna take over the world!

/variation on today's theme

Well - that is a much better tune to listen to than the last video.

BTW, does anyone know an effective way to grab YouTube videos?

416 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:44:40am

Newsbuster's seems to think the polls are bullshit too:

Polls Radically Change Party Mix to Fabricate an Obama Trend

417 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:46:29am

re: #416 Sharmuta

Newsbuster's seems to think the polls are bullshit too:

Polls Radically Change Party Mix to Fabricate an Obama Trend

Yup. I had quite a go round with JMV the other morning about statistics and whether or not these "polls" are accurate.

418 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:46:56am

re: #416 Sharmuta

Never believe entirely in the polls!

It's like wearing sunglasses on a sunny day and wondering why it looks overcast.

/distortion
//oh and they believed those Ron Paul Polls too!

419 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:47:21am

re: #410 galloping granny

SAVE THE PAGE! Grab a screen shot. If you use Firefox, you can get a plugin called FireShot that will take a screen shot of the entire page, not just what appears in your browser window.

I printed it out. I'll have to show this around a bit.

420 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:48:44am

Now here is a good story - [Link: www.cfnews13.com...]

421 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:50:08am

re: #420 galloping granny

Yeah,,caught that on Drudge this AM,,got a chuckel out of it.

422 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:51:34am

re: #415 galloping granny

Youtube Downloader.

423 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:52:19am

Ya'll remember that infamous picture of Obama with his hands clasped over his crotch during the National Anthem? Look at that Obama Jugend video again -

Our new Pledge of Allegiance!

424 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:52:49am

Does anyone have the link for the story of the comedian who got thrown off a charity fundraiser for saying that Palin would be "gang raped" if she came to New York?

425 sparrowlake  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:54:36am

Stick it to him, Sarah!
Good morning LGF.

426 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:55:30am
427 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:55:45am

Got to run, dearest Lizards. Take care, and have a great day!

428 LEGION  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:56:55am

Almost 7am- time to start the work day- ughh.

429 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:57:05am

re: #424 little blessing

Does anyone have the link for the story of the comedian who got thrown off a charity fundraiser for saying that Palin would be "gang raped" if she came to New York?

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

430 Benthoven  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:58:10am

Here you go - Sandra Bernhardt kicked off the fundraiser

[Link: malaysia.news.yahoo.com...]

431 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:59:40am

re: #429 Temujin

Thanks!

432 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:59:57am

re: #430 Benthoven

Thanks as well!