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Overnight Open Thread

Open | Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:01:02 pm PDT

A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.

G. K. Chesterton

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1 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:03:09pm

Yes!

Patching is done for tonight.

2 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:03:51pm

Where's Render?

3 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:04:04pm

Wow, tough crowd.

4 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:05:18pm

So, I was pounding nails into my skull this morning...

5 Rancher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:06:39pm

RE: The bailout;

Tax cuts for wooden arrows, that's what's important, did I get a tax cut for wooden arrows?

/Need to know if I need to start making wooden arrows.

6 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:07:22pm

Fark photoshop contest. I post as "chickyraptor" over there. I try to counter the prevailing moonbatism over there when I can.

7 victor_yugo  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:09:03pm

So I'll pass along my really bad pun that I came up with this evening. NOTE: Please place sharp objects way out of reach, just in case.

Q: What was the role of the bomber pilots during Gulf War I?

A: It was a sheikh-rattlin' role!

/ducks and runs like hell

8 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:09:59pm

re: #6 Abu Al-Poopypants

Fark photoshop contest. I post as "chickyraptor" over there. I try to counter the prevailing moonbatism over there when I can.

The only time I've ever commented on fark threads was to call the moderators chickenshit for deleting a photoshop entry entitled "John Kerry's Bukake Dream". Darned if they didn't delete that too.

9 Syrah  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:09:59pm

Tomorrow is a new day.

It could be a good day.

A happy day.

Goodnight all.

11 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:10:12pm

re: #5 Rancher

I know this is a repeat but Wooden arrows? Even I can make wooden arrows. That's got to be a joke

12 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:11:43pm

Charles, I have a question: why is it that when I put my Ibook to sleep at night (with LGF still open on my menu bar), when I bring LGF back up in the morning, the individual ICONs are gone, and there are only little green footballs? I'm still shown as logged in, so I don't know why the individual icons have disappeared.

13 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:12:03pm

Well, after I got 5 votes on mine, they killed my post because it "bypassed the filters", so I had to repost it too small to read and you have to click on it to see it full size. One time I got banned for 3 days for accusing the moderators of having a Mall Cop mentality.

14 really grumpy big dog johnson  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:12:49pm

re: #5 Rancher

RE: The bailout;

Tax cuts for wooden arrows, that's what's important, did I get a tax cut for wooden arrows?

/Need to know if I need to start making wooden arrows.

Isn't market protectionism wonderful? We won't have buy cheaper arrows from desperately poor countries!

Hurrah for the domination of smart markets over sweatshops, which may be the only option for anything other than abject poverty for those people.

The world we live in. At least my arrows will be union made, rather than inexpensive.

15 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:14:22pm

Countdown to October surprise... tick.. tick..

16 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:14:25pm

re: #14 really grumpy big dog johnson

the good news is it doesn't take much to make your own, the bad news is unless you have a bow without training wheels it won't do you much good

17 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:17:47pm

re: #2 pink freud

Where's Render?

I haven't seen him in a long time. I'd like to know also, has he been around and I missed him?

18 kansas  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:18:02pm

re: #15 Mel Lono

Countdown to October surprise... tick.. tick..


That's tonight when Sarah crashes and burns.

19 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:18:03pm

holy smokes....it's October 1st!
What a surprise!

/need a real 1.

20 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:18:48pm

re: #13 Abu Al-Poopypants

Well, after I got 5 votes on mine, they killed my post because it "bypassed the filters", so I had to repost it too small to read and you have to click on it to see it full size. One time I got banned for 3 days for accusing the moderators of having a Mall Cop mentality.

In this instance, I think I can see why they had a problem with it. I mean, you used "Barack" in a non-reverential tone. Surely banning for life would be kind, much less how easy you got off.

/need I?

21 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:19:04pm

The world has gone mad. We have a rising tide of fascism in europe and 0bama in America. We are being sold lies everyday on tv and in the papers. And our elected officials do nothing but play politics with our lives and our futures. What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

22 TheMatrix31  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:19:53pm

What was the consensus everywhere on the moderating fiasco?

23 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:20:47pm

re: #11 srb1976

I know this is a repeat but Wooden arrows? Even I can make wooden arrows. That's got to be a joke

No it's not,look at this.

New Tax earmarks in Bailout bill
- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
- Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
- 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)
Tax earmark “extenders” in the bailout bill.
- Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
- American Samoa (Sec. 309)
- Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
- Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
- Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
- Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
- Railroads (Sec. 316)
- Auto Racing Tracks (317)
- District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
- Wool Research (Sec. 325)

Via HotAir

24 kansas  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:20:53pm

re: #22 TheMatrix31

What was the consensus everywhere on the moderating fiasco?


Like it or lump it.

25 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:20:56pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

Help others.....and if you can't do that, at least don't hurt anybody.

26 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:21:30pm

re: #20 suboptimal

I'll sing 3 verses of "Sing For Change" as penance.

27 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:22:51pm

re: #17 gop_patriot

I haven't seen him in ages, gop, and I read many of the threads in their entirety, especially the late night ones he used to frequent.

Someone mentioned his absence a week or so ago, and this was posted in response, with no explanation.

28 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #26 Abu Al-Poopypants

I'll sing 3 verses of "Sing For Change" as penance.

I can't wait for the next hit, "0bama Uber Alles".

29 neocon hippie  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:23:29pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Yup...Neofascists, Obamabots, and Islamonuts. And we're caught in the middle.

The only thing we can do right now is do whatever we can to help McCain-Palin win.

30 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:23:29pm

Well back to work tomorrow after the two days of Rosh Hashana to reflect on the important things in life--family, health, and friends. I work as a financial advisor and the past few weeks have been really rough-reminds me of the time period after 9-11. No one had a clue then either if we were going to live or die. We had the shoe bomber, the mysterious plane crash above Brooklyn ( a shoe bomb IMHO) anthrax and a total market meltdown. Here we are today. Life goes on, people fight the good fight. I prayed hard for McCain and Palin, which isn't a particularly Jewish thing to do, as well as praying for a dear friend with three beautiful kids who just had a brain tumor successfully removed . We are up against a monster who controls the media and things look pretty bleak. Don't give up! If we lose this round, there will be more.

31 Rancher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:23:54pm

re: #11 srb1976

It's real: Bailout with 'sweeteners' heads toward Senate win

And there were plenty of obscure tax breaks to go around, like one for certain wooden arrows used by children, and another benefiting litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

32 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:30pm

re: #31 Rancher

Bailout with 'sweeteners' heads toward Senate win

Nutrasweet, Splenda or Sweet & Low?

33 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:42pm

re: #23 x-wing

Wow! I couldn't have made up something more ridiculous than that!

on the other hand, my bow is a youth sized bow.....wonder if that counts
(trying to find a bright side)

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:51pm

re: #27 pink freud

Render doesn't want to be here anymore.

35 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:25:59pm

re: #27 pink freud

Oh yeah I think I saw that too. He is helping out over at that blog, is alive and well but just doesn't have the time to post here, I think?

Thanks for reminding me, I was getting worried. Again. Hopefully this time I'll remember and won't randomly start to worry again in the future. LOL

36 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:26:18pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

The world has gone mad. We have a rising tide of fascism in europe and 0bama in America. We are being sold lies everyday on tv and in the papers. And our elected officials do nothing but play politics with our lives and our futures. What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

so what's your problem with all that?

/white smoke

(my advice to you is to start drinking heavily. %-)

37 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:26:41pm

re: #31 Rancher

It's real: Bailout with 'sweeteners' heads toward Senate win

Was there anything in there for middle aged haole residents of East Honolulu?

/What, I'm not elite?

38 gop_patriot  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:27:25pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Oof, didn't know that. Thanks. Just thought he was busy elsewhere.

39 pink freud  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:28:19pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Thanks for that info, sharm. He contributed so much to my knowledge; I will miss him.

40 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:28:32pm

re: #36 redc1c4

Redc - can I ask what "white smoke" means?

I've seen it lots, but have never understood what it means.

:-)

41 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:28:52pm

Is there any way to identify which of these pinheads attached these stupid riders to the bill?

42 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:29:18pm

re: #28 suboptimal

I can't wait for the next hit, "0bama Uber Alles".

Jerry Brown & Jello will both sue for infringement.

43 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:31:29pm

re: #33 srb1976

Wow! I couldn't have made up something more ridiculous than that!

on the other hand, my bow is a youth sized bow.....wonder if that counts
(trying to find a bright side)

LOLO, I know, why do keep paying these idjits in D.C.?

I'm not sure it's the size of the bow,as much as how straight you shoot with it.

/I don't know where I'm going with that :>}

44 yochanan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:08pm

re: #32 Abu Al-Poopypants

i did not know you could make sugar from congressional PORK.

45 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:08pm

Consumer confidence is up in September, says Brit Hume. And the last growth report remains positive.

So why did Barack Obama flay John McCain alive when McCain said "the basics of our economy are still sound"?

Perhaps Obama should take a course on economics. Even with 6.1 percent unemployment, we're very close to full employment.

Obama sucks.

46 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:26pm

re: #38 gop_patriot

re: #39 pink freud

Render knows I wish him well. He also knows I completely disagree with his reasons, yet he persists. All I can do is wish him the best and let him go his own way.

47 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:32:53pm

re: #43 x-wing

I won my class at an archery tournament once, I was the only one in my class, but i got a trophy anyway. Don't claim to shoot straight though.

48 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:33:12pm

re: #40 Intrepid

Redc - can I ask what "white smoke" means?

I've seen it lots, but have never understood what it means.

:-)

from the now legendary "404 SOI Extract" as promulgated by RTO Trainer
A little shorthand of potential help to us in communicating intent:

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

it is/was a Usenet thing.......

49 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:33:59pm

re: #12 Intrepid

Let me rephrase that: Why are the individual posters' avatars gone when I bring LGF up from sleep mode in the morning? I am still shown as being logged in....

Just wondering.

50 suboptimal  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:34:26pm

re: #42 redc1c4

Jerry Brown & Jello will both sue for infringement.

I'm pretty sure Jello's endorsed the "Big 0", so it will be his first serious take on that song.

51 Rancher  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:34:28pm

re: #37 IslandLibertarian

Was there anything in there for middle aged haole residents of East Honolulu?

No, sorry Bruddah.

/5-O talk.

52 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:10pm

re: #49 Intrepid

I believe we're auto logged out after 6 hours. So it might say you're logged in, but I bet if you refresh the page, you won't be.

53 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:24pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

well, give him my regards too.

it's a free country, at least until 20JAN09. %-)

54 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:49pm

re: #45 Intrepid


So why did Barack Obama flay John McCain alive when McCain said "the basics of our economy are still sound"?

And then came out 2 weeks later and said the same thing, except in a halting fashion that seemed to suggest that the teleprompter upload from David Axelrod's mainframe was slow that day.

55 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:35:58pm

re: #49 Intrepid

Let me rephrase that: Why are the individual posters' avatars gone when I bring LGF up from sleep mode in the morning? I am still shown as being logged in....

Just wondering.

we're hiding from you.....

56 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:36:12pm

Had a bad night with a lefty. After I slammed Obama on his ignorance, she asked me who controlled McCain, The Manchurian Candidate. I had no answer.

57 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:36:33pm

re: #45 Intrepid


You did hear that Obama now says that once we pass this bailout, the fundamentals of this economy(i.e. working Americans) will kick in and bring us out of this mess?

/you can't make this stuff up

58 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:36:44pm

re: #56 pat

Had a bad night with a lefty. After I slammed Obama on his ignorance, she asked me who controlled McCain, The Manchurian Candidate. I had no answer.

No one controls a maverick.

59 yochanan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:37:20pm

re: #51 Rancher

HOW About exit papers you racist colonialist

purple smoke

60 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:37:43pm

re: #48 redc1c4

Heh - I am not blond, but feel as if I am now.

:-)

61 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:38:52pm

re: #56 pat

How dare you question the wisdom of the Manchurian Community Organizer. You will be hearing from Security Minister Ayers once they seize power.

62 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:40:53pm

re: #48 redc1c4

Where does Purple haze come in?

63 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:40:59pm

re: #47 srb1976

I won my class at an archery tournament once, I was the only one in my class, but i got a trophy anyway. Don't claim to shoot straight though.

LOL, were you in the blind in one eye and can't see out the other class? Just kidding
Or as Red has shown us

/purple smoke

64 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:41:23pm

re: #48 redc1c4

So Stinky's got a lot of green smoke?

65 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:41:29pm

re: #52 Sharmuta

I believe we're auto logged out after 6 hours. So it might say you're logged in, but I bet if you refresh the page, you won't be.

When I bring LGF back up in the morning, I hit the new comments button, and it gives me new comments, but still shows me as logged in. I can still post on that thread, but I only get the "avatar" pics on the next thread after moving up.

I don't mind it, I was just wondering....

:-)

66 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:41:48pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

No one controls a maverick.


Wish that were true, but he is robotic and plain silly. As in infantiley ignorant of what is happening. The 'friends' shit and robotic hand movements are a bit much. I am not alone. Everyone is talking about it. These people are not his friends. Obama is not his colleague. Biden already said he always hate him.

67 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:42:42pm

re: #62 Mel Lono

Where does Purple haze come in?

About mile 3 on a hard run. The 9 min version. Excellent.

68 pat  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:43:27pm

re: #61 Abu Al-Poopypants

How dare you question the wisdom of the Manchurian Community Organizer. You will be hearing from Security Minister Ayers once they seize power.

Oh we discussed that also.

69 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:43:27pm

re: #63 x-wing

Close! Apparently women's traditional is not a popular class in tournaments, go figure. Note that I'm not saying I shot well by any stretch! = )

70 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:44:32pm

re: #56 pat

Had a bad night with a lefty. After I slammed Obama on his ignorance, she asked me who controlled McCain, The Manchurian Candidate. I had no answer.

you should have said "Sarah".....

after all, she's a mom. %-)

71 yochanan  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:45:18pm

i recently asked a liberal who they will hate after this election i think the next target for liberal hate will be VPOTUS PALIN. we already see it coming from the feminazi's who seem to hate her with a un-natural level of political hate. P.D.S. = B.D.S.

72 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:45:37pm

re: #55 redc1c4

we're hiding from you.....

Green smoke.

heh

73 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:46:07pm

re: #66 pat

I think you might be spending too much time with liberals. I'm not wild about McCain either, but he's what we've got.

Besides- voting for someone on superficial grounds is juvenile. I agree with most of McCain's substance. Kick corruption in the ass and supply our own energy. He's got my vote.

74 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:46:20pm

OT.. oh wait there isn't one. I've been on/near this trail. It's beautiful country.
God rest his soul now. No body yet.

Fossett found

75 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:47:25pm

re: #65 Intrepid

When I bring LGF back up in the morning, I hit the new comments button, and it gives me new comments, but still shows me as logged in. I can still post on that thread, but I only get the "avatar" pics on the next thread after moving up.

I don't mind it, I was just wondering....

:-)

That's OK - I've been in techie hell for the last six days or so - after last Friday night's debate topics, something went horribly wrong and I have not been able to browse to LGF until late tonight! Talk about withdrawal - I've been going crazy trying every techie thing I could think of (every other web site worked OK...). Finally I was at a different location and therefore different network and was able to get LGF and send an SOS. After I got home and back on Concast, I could finally get LGF back. YAY! I am so happy - except when I think about the bailout :( Charles, if you had anything to do with fixing things for me - or even if you didn't ;) - THANK YOU!

76 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:48:38pm

re: #69 srb1976

Close! Apparently women's traditional is not a popular class in tournaments, go figure. Note that I'm not saying I shot well by any stretch! = )

I must apologize. Your gender escaped me. You have my respect for taking up the sport. I love to see women with bows and guns,and know how to use them.

77 winston06  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:49:14pm

have a great evening every one

78 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:50:39pm

re: #74 Mel Lono

OT.. oh wait there isn't one. I've been on/near this trail. It's beautiful country.
God rest his soul now. No body yet.

Fossett found

saw that earlier..... in a slightly different form. they also supposedly found a fleece shirt/jacket.

very strange.

79 spidly  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:00pm

damn, the Khmer Obama kiddies have been pulled from youtube

Obama's gonna change the woooooooooorld!
yes we can can can yes we can can can

80 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #74 Mel Lono

OT.. oh wait there isn't one. I've been on/near this trail. It's beautiful country.
God rest his soul now. No body yet.

Fossett found

I'm active in the Civil Air Patrol, and there are rare times when a lost plane is never found or is found years later. There was one incident about ten years or so ago (before my time in CAP, so I may be off on timing) in the eastern US where nothing was ever found during an intensive search, and then about two years ago, a hunter walked into a forest clearing and there were the remains of that plane... When the crash site is in the mountains or large forests and there are no eyewitnesses, it can really be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

81 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:43pm

re: #76 x-wing

No sweat! I'm a bit better shot with my .45 than my bow anyway

82 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:52:53pm

After hearing about wooden arrows and wool research, the Nikkei was down 1.9% and the Hang Seng fell 1.4%.

83 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:53:14pm

re: #78 redc1c4

And a bunch of cash. Who goes on a short flight with lots of $100's except to buy gas, maybe?

84 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:53:50pm

re: #66 pat

Wish that were true, but he is robotic and plain silly. As in infantiley ignorant of what is happening. The 'friends' shit and robotic hand movements are a bit much. I am not alone. Everyone is talking about it. These people are not his friends. Obama is not his colleague. Biden already said he always hate him.

Uhm, the "robotic hand movements" stuff is because of his wounds. Deal with that as you will.

I agree that John needs to come out and hit Obama and hit him hard, and now that the senate has passed this bill, I'm believing he will.

But he will not put his own campaign over the good of the country! And this bill, as flawed as it is, is in the best interest of the country.

It's flawed, yes. But it will keep our credit flow going, and small businesses will stay in business if it passes.

85 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:53:57pm

re: #83 Mel Lono

And a bunch of cash. Who goes on a short flight with lots of $100's except to buy gas, maybe?

Pilots are crazy ;)

86 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:54:07pm

re: #66 pat

Wish that were true, but he is robotic and plain silly. As in infantiley ignorant of what is happening. The 'friends' shit and robotic hand movements are a bit much. I am not alone. Everyone is talking about it. These people are not his friends. Obama is not his colleague. Biden already said he always hate him.

his arms, and the rest of his body, are fucked up from years of torture and you think less of him because of that?

the "everybody" who are "talking about it" are all dumber than dirt, and so is anyone who spreads such guavno.

87 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:54:22pm

re: #79 spidly

damn, the Khmer Obama kiddies have been pulled from youtube

Still up there.

88 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:55:23pm

re: #87 Abu Al-Poopypants

Still up there.

That gives me the creeps....

89 x-wing  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:56:07pm

re: #81 srb1976

No sweat! I'm a bit better shot with my .45 than my bow anyway


Stop teasing me. M1911 is my favorite handgun

90 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:56:24pm

re: #80 TnTx13

I'm active in the Civil Air Patrol, and there are rare times when a lost plane is never found or is found years later. There was one incident about ten years or so ago (before my time in CAP, so I may be off on timing) in the eastern US where nothing was ever found during an intensive search, and then about two years ago, a hunter walked into a forest clearing and there were the remains of that plane... When the crash site is in the mountains or large forests and there are no eyewitnesses, it can really be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

or the one here recently in CA where hikers found the wreckage of a training flight from 42-43, because the snow/ice melted enough.....

91 srb1976  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:56:54pm

re: #89 x-wing

Ruger P-90 stainless with hogue grips...big fun

92 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:57:45pm

On Fox, Bill Sammon said, "The republicans want Palin to be Palin, but the democrats want Biden to not be Biden".

Heh.

93 redc1c4  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:57:59pm

re: #89 x-wing

Stop teasing me. M1911 is my favorite handgun

ever fired a Dan Wesson .445 Super Magnum? %-)

94 TnTx13  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:58:12pm

re: #90 redc1c4

or the one here recently in CA where hikers found the wreckage of a training flight from 42-43, because the snow/ice melted enough.....

Wow - hadn't heard about that one - Mother Nature can deal some bad hands to us, can't she?

95 Mel Lono  Wed, Oct 1, 2008 11:58:27pm

re: #90 redc1c4

or the one here recently in CA where hikers found the wreckage of a training flight from 42-43, because the snow/ice melted enough.....

at least the family got to bury the pilot finally.

96 suboptimal  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:00:08am

0bama Uber Alles
-with apologies to bite me Jello Biafra

I am Sen-a-tor 0bama
Hoping for economic trauma
So I can be pre-si-dent

George Bush will soon go 'way
I will seize power and stay
I will command all of you
Your kids will worship me in school
Your kids will worship me in school

[Chorus]
0bama Uber Alles
0-ba-ma U-ber Alles
Uber Alles, 0bama
U-ber Alles, 0-ba-ma

Civilian security force will appear
You'd better watch your rear
Say anything bad about me
Free is one thing you won't be

Close your eyes can't happen here
I am your leader dear
Rationing all around
You're gonna starve you little clown
You're gonna starve you little clown!

[Chorus]

Now it's dark, just after four
Knock-knock on you front door
It's the NOI secret police
You've quietly disturbed the peace

Come quietly to re-education
So you can serve the 0bamanation
Don't worry it's just for an hour
And while you're here you get a quick shower

DIE on organic greenhouse gas
It's methane straight from a cow's *ss
You will die, and so will your mama
When you mess with pres 0bama
When you mess with pres 0bama

[Chorus]

--end

I now await the banning stick.

97 consanescerion  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:01:44am

I love Chesterton. He was an inspiration to C.S. Lewis and one of the best writers of the 20th century:

"Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten."

98 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:02:39am

re: #91 srb1976

Ruger P-90 stainless with hogue grips...big fun

Kimber compactII black with glo-sites.

/starting to feel like Tackleberry in Police Academy

99 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:04:50am

About these polls- I don't believe them. Zogby has 0bama up by 2 nationally, so I have to think the other polls are padding the number of democrats to republicans. I also wonder if any PUMAs getting polled are lying.

If they are padding these polls, it is to demoralize our side. We must use these numbers to double our efforts instead. Hopefully, that's what we'll do and these numbers will have the effect of lulling the dems into a comfort zone where they won't work as hard as we will.

But if we know one thing, it is this- the msm and their fellow travelers are not above lying to the public. I don't believe their polls.

100 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:04:59am

re: #93 redc1c4

ever fired a Dan Wesson .445 Super Magnum? %-)

No, bet that kicks like a mule. I've got a Dan Wesson 357mag. very comfy gun.

101 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:05:10am

re: #21 Sharmuta

Wait.

102 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:05:31am

re: #98 x-wing

I actually bought my husband a P-90 for his birthday, and he bought me a matching one for christmas so he could get his back = )

103 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:06:18am

re: #83 Mel Lono

And a bunch of cash. Who goes on a short flight with lots of $100's except to buy gas, maybe?

maybe he meant to fly south?

Henry?

104 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:07:12am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Hi, Killgore, did you have a good time on your trip?

105 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:07:28am

re: #99 Sharmuta

As I recall, Zogby usually polls likely voters, whereas the other pollsters often sample registered voters or Americans.

106 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:09:04am

re: #102 srb1976

I actually bought my husband a P-90 for his birthday, and he bought me a matching one for christmas so he could get his back = )

Sounds like a smart man. So what state do you guys live in,with you being an archer and such?

107 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:10:43am

Polls are used to manipulate, not Zogby so much but allot of others. They are really worthless until just before the election.

108 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:11:06am

re: #105 Abu Al-Poopypants

As I recall, Zogby usually polls likely voters, whereas the other pollsters often sample registered voters or Americans.

I remember various discussions from 2004 that indicated that the day (or evening) of the week when the poll was taken can also affect how many Republicans or Democrats are actually reached at home (some party more than others:) )!

109 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:11:12am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Thanks.

110 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:12:11am

re: #103 redc1c4

Got my leg kicking!

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:12:30am

re: #104 gop_patriot

I still have a few days left here in Mauritius. Yesterday was Eid (a national holiday here) so I went to a Muslim neighbourhood for Briani Lamb and came home to watch the Eid programs on while drinking Gin and tonics. I'm going to spend my last few days reading and lounging on the beach.

112 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:12:55am

re: #106 x-wing
We're in alabama now, moved here from Las vegas though

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:13:17am

re: #109 Sharmuta

Sorry, my african dialup account is too slow for youtube.

114 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:13:34am

re: #100 x-wing

No, bet that kicks like a mule. I've got a Dan Wesson 357mag. very comfy gun.

well, lets just say that if you're at a range that will let you fire, the wonder 9's all stop after you touch off the first round, and 44 anything is cheap practice ammo. %-)

yes.... mine is a very nice gun too. better than my Python, which is not junk.

HRH has grown fond of her (formerly mine) High Power.....

it's a small price to pay. (domestic tranquility. %-)

115 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:14:42am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Sounds wonderful. Enjoy the beach for me!

116 consanescerion  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:15:00am

Apropos to this election:

"By the Babe Unborn" by G.K. Chesterton

If trees were tall and grasses short,
As in some crazy tale,
If here and there a sea were blue
Beyond the breaking pale,

If a fixed fire hung in the air
To warm me one day through,
If deep green hair grew on great hills,
I know what I should do.

In dark I lie; dreaming that there
Are great eyes cold or kind,
And twisted streets and silent doors,
And living men behind.

Let storm clouds come: better an hour,
And leave to weep and fight,
Than all the ages I have ruled
The empires of the night.

I think that if they gave me leave
Within the world to stand,
I would be good through all the day
I spent in fairyland.

They should not hear a word from me
Of selfishness or scorn,
If only I could find the door,
If only I were born.

117 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:15:15am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

It's Samwise Gamgee talking about the Tales That Really Matter.

118 Crux Australis  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:16:27am

I really don't understand all this registered voters/likely voters thing.

In Australia every citizen over 18 is registered to vote. And voting is compulsory. And the polls are a lot more reliable than in the US.

119 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:17:16am

re: #105 Abu Al-Poopypants

As I recall, Zogby usually polls likely voters, whereas the other pollsters often sample registered voters or Americans.

Exactly. There are a lot of ways to manipulate these polls, and the "registered" over "likely" is one of the more frequently used ploys.

120 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:19:08am

re: #118 Crux Australis

I really don't understand all this registered voters/likely voters thing.

In Australia every citizen over 18 is registered to vote. And voting is compulsory. And the polls are a lot more reliable than in the US.

Well- in America we don't make people vote. So a registered voter is not the same as a likely voter since being registered to vote doesn't mean you actually will vote. But a likely voter is obviously someone who is likely to vote and a better indicator in terms of polling.

121 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:20:17am

re: #117 Sharmuta

;)

122 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:20:56am

re: #118 Crux Australis

I really don't understand all this registered voters/likely voters thing.

In Australia every citizen over 18 is registered to vote. And voting is compulsory. And the polls are a lot more reliable than in the US.

that's because, like many things here, voting is a right, not a duty.

people don't have to vote, and often don't....... doesn't stop them from bitching afterward though.

if people don't see their duty, what's the point of forcing it upon them?

123 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:22:36am

re: #112 srb1976

We're in alabama now, moved here from Las vegas though

What do you hunt?

My son passed his hunters safety course and he was so proud of hmself. I took him out to the range a few times and he seems to like shooting shotguns at claybirds more than a rifle at targets,so I'm going to try and get him out for Pheasant and Turkey.
I don't really mid that because I'm not really wild about sitting in the woods in winter waiting on a deer to walk by.
BTW I'm from Pa.

124 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:22:38am

I got polled yesterday by Obama's campaign. Short and sweet, they asked how likely I was to vote, who I would vote for, and how strongly I felt for that candidate. No BS, it must have been an internal poll. Those I would love to see.

125 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:25:17am

re: #124 Rancher

you must be someplace they're worried about.... i live in the belly of the beast (SoCal) and the local vote is a foregone conclusion.

126 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:25:37am

re: #123 x-wing

I'm not a hunter myself, we spend a lot of family time at the range and have a seven acre lot to play on. My dad (who lives right down the road) mostly goes after deer (they tend to be smallish here) and feral pig. our local national forest opened a no limit season on feral pigs as they were getting to pesky. basically, 4 weeks of shoot all you can find

127 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:27:09am

re: #124 Rancher

I got polled yesterday by Obama's campaign. Short and sweet, they asked how likely I was to vote, who I would vote for, and how strongly I felt for that candidate. No BS, it must have been an internal poll. Those I would love to see.

What did you tell them?

128 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:27:55am

re: #114 redc1c4

well, lets just say that if you're at a range that will let you fire, the wonder 9's all stop after you touch off the first round, and 44 anything is cheap practice ammo. %-)

yes.... mine is a very nice gun too. better than my Python, which is not junk.

HRH has grown fond of her (formerly mine) High Power.....

it's a small price to pay. (domestic tranquility. %-)


I understand, If it let's you keep doing what you like it's worth it.

I got lucky, my ex only cost me a nice fishing rod. Well not only, but ..

129 Crux Australis  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:28:13am

I suppose that people should just shut up and not complain about anything if they don't vote. They have a right to if they do.

130 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:28:47am

re: #129 Crux Australis

I suppose that people should just shut up and not complain about anything if they don't vote. They have a right to if they do.

That sums up my theory pretty nicely

131 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:29:33am

I should apologize for my earlier despair. It's not like me. But.... I've lost my Johnny Cash CD, and I really could cry over that.

132 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:29:52am

re: #123 x-wing

When we had the ranch we would get up around five, go to where the deer we watched all year were, get out of the truck, shoot one, dress it and be back home by nine. Now you have to win the lottery just to get to hunt and the public areas are crawling with hunters. Assholes that bought our ranch reneged on letting us hunt on the private land.

133 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:31:01am

If Obama gets elected, we're all gonna get POLED, if you know what I mean.

134 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:31:48am

re: #127 Sharmuta

Very likely to vote, very likely to vote McCain. Very likely was the strongest answer, they wouldn't accept guaranteed.

135 Crux Australis  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:32:04am

It's going to push 100F tomorrow in Sydney. Crazy for October I think. But for all of next week it's back into the 70's.

136 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:32:40am

re: #132 Rancher

the mill that I work at has quite a bit of land set by that they let employees hunt. Mostly deer and dove, and deer are bow only, but at least you know where everyone else is

137 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:32:55am

re: #126 srb1976

I'm not a hunter myself, we spend a lot of family time at the range and have a seven acre lot to play on. My dad (who lives right down the road) mostly goes after deer (they tend to be smallish here) and feral pig. our local national forest opened a no limit season on feral pigs as they were getting to pesky. basically, 4 weeks of shoot all you can find


Feral pigs. Does that equal wild Boar? I did hear a state did declare open season on them because those little bastards destroy anything and everything.

138 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:34:09am

re: #134 Rancher

Very likely to vote, very likely to vote McCain. Very likely was the strongest answer, they wouldn't accept guaranteed.

I would have been tempted to lie to them, but I'm evil like that.

139 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:35:44am

re: #129 Crux Australis

George Carlin on voting

I may not vote this time. The republicans picked a lousy candidate who openly admits to not understanding anything about economics during an economic crisis. He then picked a lousy vp with almost no executive experience and no understanding of economics or foriegn policy. I have no love for McCain, Palin, or the republicans. The election is theirs to lose and if they do lose they have nobody to blame but themsleves.

140 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:36:45am

re: #137 x-wing

Feral pigs are pigs who started out domestic, but have been living wild and mixing with wild pigs for a generation or 3. Not exactly the same, but they can still get pretty nasty.

And yeah, the reason they started letting people hunt them is because they were destructive to the point of being pests.

141 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:36:49am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

KT - are u channeling?

142 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:37:39am

re: #135 Crux Australis

It's going to push 100F tomorrow in Sydney. Crazy for October I think. But for all of next week it's back into the 70's.

it's been high 90's/100's here in the SFV hte past few days, and more humid than usual, which sucks, but that's not unusual (heatwise, anyway) for Septober, no matter *what* the transplants say......

143 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:38:51am

re: #132 Rancher

When we had the ranch we would get up around five, go to where the deer we watched all year were, get out of the truck, shoot one, dress it and be back home by nine. Now you have to win the lottery just to get to hunt and the public areas are crawling with hunters. Assholes that bought our ranch reneged on letting us hunt on the private land.


That sucks. Around here all the farmers are posting their land and wont let anyone on them. We have guys at work that are leasing land(extorsion) in the mountains just for a place to hunt.

Guys are getting fed up and discussing giving it up. Really sad.

144 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:39:15am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

George Carlin on voting

I may not vote this time. The republicans picked a lousy candidate who openly admits to not understanding anything about economics during an economic crisis. He then picked a lousy vp with almost no executive experience and no understanding of economics or foriegn policy. I have no love for McCain, Palin, or the republicans. The election is theirs to lose and if they do lose they have nobody to blame but themsleves.

sounds more like the Democratic ticket.....

what's in the water down there?

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:39:43am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Missing link: George Carlin on voting

146 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:39:52am

re: #131 Sharmuta

I should apologize for my earlier despair. It's not like me. But.... I've lost my Johnny Cash CD, and I really could cry over that.

Well, sometimes you just have to hear yourself say it out loud- and that reminds you that no, you're not a defeatist!

And about the CD, I know how you feel. I felt that way once when someone left my Eagles Greatest Hits cassette in the back window of my car and it melted in the summer heat.

147 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:40:14am

re: #141 Mel Lono

No, I just fortot to insert the link.

148 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:40:20am

re: #143 x-wing

That sucks. Around here all the farmers are posting their land and wont let anyone on them. We have guys at work that are leasing land(extorsion) in the mountains just for a place to hunt.

Guys are getting fed up and discussing giving it up. Really sad.

which is the intent all along...... so why do you need a gun if you don't hunt?

149 gmsc  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:40:31am

Now there's the "November 4 Voting Simulator", which only lets you vote for Barack Obama.

** rolling eyes **

150 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:41:04am

re: #144 redc1c4

sounds more like the Democratic ticket.....

That's what I thought!

151 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:42:32am

re: #136 srb1976

the mill that I work at has quite a bit of land set by that they let employees hunt. Mostly deer and dove, and deer are bow only, but at least you know where everyone else is

And they let them hunt for free? Lucky guys. The mill I work for used to do that, now they charge or not let you hunt at all.

What for job do you do?

152 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:43:14am

re: #149 gmsc

Now there's the "November 4 Voting Simulator", which only lets you vote for Barack Obama.

** rolling eyes **

If Obama's elected, that will be what the voting machine looks like in 2012.

/sarc (but only slightly)

153 gmsc  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:45:20am

re: #152 gop_patriot

If Obama's elected, that will be what the voting machine looks like in 2012.

/sarc (but only slightly)

Remember, voting against Obama is both racist and blasphemous!

154 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:46:10am

re: #151 x-wing

I worked in the chem lab in a steel mill. As part of our environmental program they keep a fairly large plot of land as wildlife area. I don't think they charge anything for hunting it....some fairly strict rules but that's it.

155 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:46:34am

re: #154 srb1976

I worked in the chem lab in a steel mill. As part of our environmental program they keep a fairly large plot of land as wildlife area. I don't think they charge anything for hunting it....some fairly strict rules but that's it.

worked....work, sorry

156 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:46:36am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Well then, George and I agree on this then. Didn't vote for Arnold, can't vote for McCain. And I'll have something to show for it on Nov.4!

157 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:47:45am

re: #146 gop_patriot

I watched Walk the Line this last weekend, and I've really wanted to listen to Cash since then, and days later I still can't find my Best of CD. I'm not happy about this. :(

158 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:50:39am

re: #154 srb1976

I worked in the chem lab in a steel mill. As part of our environmental program they keep a fairly large plot of land as wildlife area. I don't think they charge anything for hunting it....some fairly strict rules but that's it.


O.k. I was thinking a paper mill,like me. So is it the state or the feds forcing your company to do this environmental thingy?

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:50:45am

re: #150 gop_patriot

McCain said during the debates that he doesn't understand economics and I believe him. I think it was a serious mistake to nominate a candidate right now that admits he doesn't understand economics. I think it really hurt him. I think Obama has a faulty understanding of economics but he has never said he's completely ignorant on the topic. I think McCain would have done better to pick somebody like Bloomberg as VP. He has executive experience and is a rockstar econimist. I don't think Palin helps with independants and swing voters. Just my 2 cents. We'll know for sure in November, I'd love to be proven wrong.

160 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:52:11am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

I think McCain would have done better to pick somebody like Bloomberg Steve Forbes as VP. He has executive experience.

161 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:52:36am

enough worrying about the re: #155 srb1976

w*rked....w*rk, sorry

quit using obscenities!

/white smoke

162 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:52:38am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Um Palin has 8 years more executive experience than everyone else on both tickets combined.

163 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:53:22am

re: #160 Mel Lono

I'm not a huge Forbes myself but you're right; He would have been a great asset to the ticket.

164 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:53:31am

re: #158 x-wing

Not really forcing, there's permits and emission limits and all that, but the company is pretty out front on the environmental thing on their own. Being a steel mill, electricity is a big hitter on the bottom line, so energy conservation means more money to be made. Most of the other efforts fall into the same line of thinking too.

165 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:54:42am

re: #162 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes, she has a lot of experience as a small town mayor. I don't think that helps her much in the minds of swing voters.

166 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:55:34am

re: #156 Mel Lono

Well then, George and I agree on this then. Didn't vote for Arnold, can't vote for McCain. And I'll have something to show for it on Nov.4!

you realize that *not* voting for McCain is the same as voting for Obama, even here in CA, since they all important "national total" will be trotted out if the anointed one doesn't win in the Electoral College, but gets more votes. overall.

and don't tell me you don't see a difference between the two.

167 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:55:42am

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I'm especially fond of a flat tax, but it never got much traction. Back then, if the mortgage deduction had been eliminated, would we be where we are now? hmm/

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:56:24am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

McCain is the one to appeal to independents and moderates. He needed to shore up the base, and that's what Sarah did.

169 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:56:49am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Bloomberg would have tanked with the conservative wing - Palin energized them.

Let's see how it all plays out. Obama doesn't know shit about the economy either, and neither does Joe Biden.

Sarah is on stage in about 18 hours. Her moment is coming.

It's up to her - as long as the McCain camp sets her free, she'll do ok.

No worries.

170 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:57:26am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Obanal doesn';t know shit about anything..... i've got a Persian cat with a better grasp of reality than the chosen one.

171 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:57:33am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

He must have said that before he died.

/Yogi Berra

172 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:58:25am

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Where was your vacation location, again? I forgot. And how did it go?

173 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 12:59:07am

re: #166 redc1c4

Well, you stole my thunder, but we still are a republic and in the PRC, my vote does not count. I stand on principle. That's the way it is,until we go to a national popular vote. Gore still thinks he won, but all he got was a stupid Nobel Prize.

174 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:00:16am

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Wasilla is the 5th largest city in Alaska, and as such the mayor of this "small" town has spent plenty of time in Juneau defending her "small town"'s interests. Hell Wasilla dwarfs my village here in Ohio. Insulting small towns is not a path to victory. And welcome back from Africa

175 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:01:47am

re: #153 gmsc

Remember, voting against Obama is both racist and blasphemous!

You mean we are allowed to vote AGAINST Obama?

/more sarc

176 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:12am

re: #164 srb1976

Not really forcing, there's permits and emission limits and all that, but the company is pretty out front on the environmental thing on their own. Being a steel mill, electricity is a big hitter on the bottom line, so energy conservation means more money to be made. Most of the other efforts fall into the same line of thinking too.


Do you generate your own electric or buy? We are self sufficient on that,we even sell some back to the grid. And you don't have to tell me about permits and regs. We have this guy from the state EPA that would like nothing better than to shut us down. The prick. Even though we built a dam in 1970 and donated land for the state to open a park.

177 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:22am

re: #169 Intrepid

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

178 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:23am

re: #175 TnTx13

You mean we are allowed to vote AGAINST Obama?

/more sarc

You mean we're allowed to vote?

179 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:02:57am

And with that it's 3am here, the boy who would not sleep finally crashed, and I think I will follow his example. Night folks!

180 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:03:00am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

McCain is behind in the polls because the polls are all bogus.

181 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:04:25am

re: #173 Mel Lono

Well, you stole my thunder, but we still are a republic and in the PRC, my vote does not count. I stand on principle. That's the way it is,until we go to a national popular vote. Gore still thinks he won, but all he got was a stupid Nobel Prize.

you still have to get out and vote down all the bond issues...... ~$45Billlion worth at the state level alone.

that and yes on gay marriage. why shouldn't they be as unhappy as the rest of us?

182 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:04:36am

re: #176 x-wing

We don't generate electricity we use LOTS, buying interuptible(no idea how to spell that one) from the TVA. Basically they can shut us down anytime they need to, but it's lots cheaper.

183 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:12am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

1) the polls are full of shit. Zogby has the race much closer.
2) because the msm is in the tank for 0bama and not playing fair.
3) this is pretty much the same thing we saw in 2000 & 2004- it's not over yet.

184 srb1976  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:20am

Ok, good night for real this time

185 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:35am

re: #181 redc1c4

No question there. All the props, local reps etc. Just not John.

186 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:05:59am

re: #179 srb1976


Nite, thanks for the chat.

187 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:04am

re: #180 zombie

my eyes!

188 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:18am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

I hate McCain and would have voted for him only if NM was in play the day of the election. Now I will vote, and vote early, for Sarah. I never bought into the meme that nominating McCain would get us independent and liberal votes, and I didn't like the fact that the MSM pushed him on us.

189 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:43am

re: #181 redc1c4

that and yes on gay marriage.

yeah right

190 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:06:55am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

I was going to reply to this, but I'm just too tired and my post wasn't making any sense, so I gave up. :p

Now get your ass back here and vote for McCain.

jk ;)

191 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:07:18am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

re: #168 Sharmuta

Then why is McCain still behind in the polls? I think he's very likely to lose in November. If he wins I will happily admit that I'm wrong.

You believe the polls, when we are 34 days out? You seriously are following the polls?

I thought you were smarter than that, Killgore.

Sheesh.

192 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:07:29am

re: #172 zombie

I'm still in Mauritius for a few more days. The culture here is very interesting and the people are very unique. I visited a Dravidian temple the other day. It's the oldest religion in the world that's still practiced. On the surface in almost indestiguishable from Hinduism. The Muslims aren't very friendly to Westerners, I was thown out of a mosque last week and a man selling extremist DVD's outside a mosque refused to let me buy them. Other than that everyone is pretty friendly and the women are slim and very beautiful.

193 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:09:02am

re: #180 zombie

Could be. We'll know for sure in November but I remember the koskidz refused to believe the polls last election and they were completely surpised and befuddled that they lost.

194 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:09:05am

I just browsed through Michelle Malkin's site and in the comments there are a lot of defeatist attitudes visible. The ones that have that seem to have problem with McCain not fighting tooth and nail against Ifill being moderator in VP-debate. That angers me for a few reasons. First, doing that would paint McCain campaign as whiners. Complaints tend to do that regardless of how valid said complaints are. Second, there is no room for you guys to have defeatist attitude. Not in these elections.

Over the years I have seen time and time again elections that were not free, and two things have stuck to my mind about them. One, there were tampering on voters and/or ballots one way or another. Two, media access was not equal and fair. And I say that both of those are visible already in these elections. You (I am Finn, so those are not my elections) can't give in and fall into despair. You can't allow that sort of tactics to work. You have to fight against it throughout as individual citizens (and state has to do that too), and at the voting booth you must show that those tactics are not the way to victory. To me it seems painfully clear that large number of Democrats have discarded the notion of free elections. Media certainly has. They need to learn a lesson that you guys won't allow it.

Ok. This is my opinion on the matter. Play straight, play hard and keep your spirits high.

P.S. To make clear why I care: 1) I Think McCain would be best choice for USA's sake, for my sake (yeah, my ass means a lot to me) and my US and Israeli friends' sake. 2) You guys deserve better than have your country fall to same category as Russia in regards to the elections.

195 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:09:40am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

I visited a Dravidian temple the other day. It's the oldest religion in the world that's still practiced.

Especially since the Branch Dravidians burned up in WACO.

196 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:10:00am

re: #173 Mel Lono

Well, you stole my thunder, but we still are a republic and in the PRC, my vote does not count. I stand on principle. That's the way it is,until we go to a national popular vote.

As an Obama supporter, don't you feel uncomfortable here?

I live in the most left-wing area imaginable. Wherever you are, it's worse where I am. I have never ever, not even once, seen a McCain sign. I'm surrounded by Obama Blue off to the horizon. And I'm in a state where Obama is supposedly up by double digits.

And you know what? I'm going to go into that voting booth and vote for McCain like my life depended on it. For all I know, the polls are all propaganda, and there are ten million secret McCain voters like me secretly casting our ballots. Anything is possible.

Hopefully, not too many of them will be like you and not vote because you believed the MSM propaganda and assumed ahead of time your vote will not count.

197 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:10:08am

re: #191 Intrepid

I thought you were smarter than that, Killgore.

Think again.

198 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:10:49am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Wow, unfriendly Muslims..the hell you say.

/purple smoke

199 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:12:32am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Think again.

Ok, I guess I will.

200 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:12:41am

re: #196 zombie

That's a good point. I thought 2000 showed us that a handful of votes could turn an election.

Besides- the Presidency is not the only issue on the ballot. There are seats for Congress and local elections too. Mel- you should go vote.

201 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:13:49am

re: #194 Purre

there is no room for you guys to have defeatist attitude. Not in these elections.

I completely agree with this sentiment. It helps no one and serves no purpose other than to discourage others from voting.

Btw, you have the world's cutest avatar.

:)

202 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:13:59am

I don't know if Mel should get yellow smoke or green.

203 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:14:52am

re: #196 zombie

zombie - i respect you and have followed your work. I choose not to vote for Sen. McCain as a matter of conscience. I made this decision 4 months ago, when none of my conservative picks made the grade. It is no secret here. I will not detail the list again, but he does not represent me or my ideals for what I think is right for the country. Come what may.

204 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:14:55am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

I'm still in Mauritius for a few more days. The culture here is very interesting and the people are very unique. I visited a Dravidian temple the other day. It's the oldest religion in the world that's still practiced. On the surface in almost indestiguishable from Hinduism. The Muslims aren't very friendly to Westerners, I was thown out of a mosque last week and a man selling extremist DVD's outside a mosque refused to let me buy them. Other than that everyone is pretty friendly and the women are slim and very beautiful.

I recently saw a movie filmed in Mauritius (a Bollywood sex comedy) about three beautiful Indian stewardesses all dating the same guy in Mauritius.

I have a friend who lived on the beach in Mauritius for a while. Said it was great! He also recommended going to the interior to see the mountains and the views.

205 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:15:03am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Think again.

maybe you should?

206 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:15:33am

re: #194 Purre

Thanks.

207 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:17:10am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Could be. We'll know for sure in November but I remember the koskidz refused to believe the polls last election and they were completely surpised and befuddled that they lost.

No, you got that completely reversed. They absolutely thought the polls were true. Remember that all the pollsters (except Zogby) had Kerry ahead on the final day. THAT's why the Kossacks were shocked. Not because they "refused" to believe in the polls, but because they accepted them unquestioningly.

208 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:17:11am

I'm off to bed. I'm sick and damned tired of all the nay-sayers and doom and gloom bringers. We're still 33 days out from the election, and some folks here have just given up. Or have allowed their distaste for the economic bill to sour their mood.

I, for one, will not be distracted. I believe in America, and I will not sit by and let Barack Obama to come in and steal my freedoms.

So take that, Killgore. I believe in America, even if you don't. Enjoy the rest of your holiday.

209 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:17:20am

re: #203 Mel Lono

OK- you stand by your principles then. However- I don't want to hear a single complaint from you about President 0bama.

210 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:18:07am

re: #196 zombie

In 1980, weren't there states that people were surprised went for Reagan?

I was not quite 14 years old at the time and I don't remember...

211 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:19:27am

re: #209 Sharmuta

OK- you stand by your principles then. However- I don't want to hear a single complaint from you about President 0bama.

(these are my principles: and, if you don't like them, i have others. %-)

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:21:03am

re: #204 zombie

I spent some time in the interior earlier this week. Fatastic waterfalls and mountain scenery. There's also a big lake where they built a large Hindu temple with a 70 foot tall Shiva statue. They make an annual pilgramage there once a year. Very cool. I'd love to be a beach bum here for a decade or two but it's just not in my budget right now. I'm saving up my money to survive 8 years of Obama.

213 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:21:19am

re: #209 Sharmuta

Actually, I'll be the first one complaining. I have that right, even if I didn't vote for his opponent.

214 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:21:42am

re: #202 Sharmuta

I don't know if Mel should get yellow smoke or green.

Well we could throw some yellow and see if he brings the GAZE.

215 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:22:21am

re: #208 Intrepid

Enjoy the rest of your holiday.

Will do.

216 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:23:24am

re: #209 Sharmuta

OK- you stand by your principles then. However- I don't want to hear a single complaint from you about President 0bama.


O.K. we're throwing yellow smoke. :>}

217 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:23:47am

re: #213 Mel Lono

Actually, I'll be the first one complaining. I have that right, even if I didn't vote for his opponent.

then we'll have to go with the duct tape option.......

pick a side. there's no standing on the sidelines this time.

218 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:23:48am

White Star champagne on ice, then./

219 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:05am

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?


I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

220 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:06am

re: #209 Sharmuta

--snip-- ... President 0bama.

That makes me want to run screaming from the room.....

221 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:53am

re: #211 redc1c4

(these are my principles: and, if you don't like them, i have others. %-)


LOL, it looks like we may have a party started.

222 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:24:57am

re: #213 Mel Lono

This ain't a frickin' purity test. This is about keeping America out of the hands of a frickin' marxist. You want to be a part of the problem or the solution? Or are you one of thoes people who thinks we have it coming?

223 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:25:22am

re: #219 DesertSage

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

Oh..my..gawd.....

224 Winslow  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:25:49am

Considering that Congress has an approval rating of about 9%, 'twould be an interesting turn of events if Obama took the White House, but the Republicans took back Congress.

225 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:26:08am

re: #201 gop_patriot

Hehe. Thank you. I have on another forums this same avatar with the additional text: "Mine is an evil laugh!" Yep, I liked Firefly. There is also the penguin avatar that I made out of this picture.

For the record, we have communal elections this autumn here, and I was happy to get my notification two days ago. So now I know where and when I can vote. I haven't missed a single vote and I won't ever if it is up to me.

226 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:26:15am

re: #203 Mel Lono

zombie - i respect you and have followed your work. I choose not to vote for Sen. McCain as a matter of conscience. I made this decision 4 months ago, when none of my conservative picks made the grade. It is no secret here. I will not detail the list again, but he does not represent me or my ideals for what I think is right for the country. Come what may.

Well, if we get Obama, you have only yourself to blame.

The election is not about getting your dream date. The election is about staving off disaster. By not voting for McCain, you are actively stating that you prefer Obama to win. Which is your prerogative, of course, but it's odd that you're an Obama supporter and don't seem to be aware of it.

The competition is not between some fantasy candidate you wish had been nominated vs. McCain. There is this thing called reality and in reality you have two imperfect choices; McCain and Obama. If you seriously, honestly think that Obama is better, or if they are absolutely identical, then by all means refrain from voting McCain. But if you think McCain is even 1% better than Obama, and yet you still refuse to vote for him because you're pouting, then I have nothing further to say to you.

I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't have time for pouters.

227 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:02am

hahaha

Look at the front page of FoxNews.com- it's the "My helicopter was forced down" story- a pic of a helicopter, Joe Biden with a very goofy expression on his face, and the caption says "Frequent Fliar?"

228 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:15am

re: #219 DesertSage

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

Holy shit!

229 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:36am

re: #219 DesertSage

Doesn't anyone care about Obama's new regiment of brainwashed little Leftist Teenagers?
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I mean, first they brainwash the 5 years olds, now the teenagers.

OK, when they start reciting highlights of Obama's health care plan, it is seriously freaked out. Lizards, you ALL need to watch this...

230 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:27:59am

re: #213 Mel Lono

Actually, I'll be the first one complaining. I have that right, even if I didn't vote for his opponent.

Yeah, you have that right because better men than you risked their lives for this country, but your not willing to pull a lever that may save what they fought for .

/thanks alot bud.

231 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:28:05am

re: #221 x-wing

LOL, it looks like we may have a party started.

in that case, i'll get started on the fruitcup! %-)

232 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:29:36am

re: #222 Sharmuta

Not at all. We are the greatest nation on Earth, and will continue to be so long as we remember the principles that this nation was founded upon.

233 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:31:17am

re: #226 zombie

Do you really believe that 10 million conservatives are going to suddenly appear in CA and turn the state Red?

234 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:31:35am

re: #219 DesertSage

Oh my gosh, that's just... just... WOW.

The Alpha-Omega chant is especially disturbing to me, in light of it's Biblical meaning.

Holy crap.

/Plus it's really just awful from start to finish. Totally bad. Our tax dollars at work, huh.

235 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:32:28am

re: #231 redc1c4

in that case, i'll get started on the fruitcup! %-)

I've got some Puerto Rican Rum, if you want to kick things up a notch

236 Rose Parade  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:32:29am

re: #28 suboptimal

I can't wait for the next hit, "0bama Uber Alles".

I'm wishing we could upding a post more than once, because seriously...that says it all. And I'm starting to get kind of worried about it. Obama elected into the White House with what he thinks is a mandate from the American people to enact his "change" is rapidly becoming scary as hell.

Please God let Palin kick ass Thursday night. Also, the next five weeks cannot pass quickly enough for me, because at least then I'll know how bad (amnesty for illegals) or worse (socialism) it's going to be.

237 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:32:45am

re: #230 x-wing

Yeah, you have that right because better men than you risked their lives for this country, but your not willing to pull a lever that may save what they fought for .

/thanks alot bud.

Coast Guard veteran. Saved a few lives in my time.

238 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:33:21am

It must be nice to live in a deep blue state. It absolves you from all electoral responsibilities, apparently.

239 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:33:21am

re: #235 x-wing

I've got some Puerto Rican Rum, if you want to kick things up a notch

Need a double shot the way it's going tonight.

240 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:33:45am

re: #233 Mel Lono

Do you really believe that 10 million conservatives are going to suddenly appear in CA and turn the state Red?

Not if they all act like you.

241 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:34:06am

re: #234 gop_patriot

Oh my gosh, that's just... just... WOW.

The Alpha-Omega chant is especially disturbing to me, in light of it's Biblical meaning.

Holy crap.

/Plus it's really just awful from start to finish. Totally bad. Our tax dollars at work, huh.

It also reminds me of something else.


I begin with the young. We older ones are used up but my magnificent youngsters! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? Look at all these men and boys! What material! With you and I, we can make a new world.
- Adolf Hitler

242 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:34:33am

re: #231 redc1c4

Red, no yellow star for me tonight, please. Got my itch going.

243 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:34:42am

re: #230 x-wing

Yeah, you have that right because better men than you risked their lives for this country, but your not willing to pull a lever that may save what they fought for .

/thanks alot bud.

point of order: Mel is, AFAIK, a Coastie in good standing, and therefore put his on the block with the rest of us. i will strenuously disagree with his philosophy, but i will damn sure defend his right to be wrong.

(after all, he was likely an officer, so it figures. %-)

244 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:35:44am

re: #235 x-wing

I've got some Puerto Rican Rum, if you want to kick things up a notch

i'll use it to cut the everclear....... %-)

245 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:35:52am

re: #225 Purre

That's a hilarious picture!

I found some really cute avatars that people had made over at LiveJournal, but I don't know if they would allow them to be used in other places. I really need to make some more of my own. :)

246 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:36:00am

re: #233 Mel Lono

If Californian conservatives do not start voting now, they will never get that gap closed. Each time the numbers get close to even, more conservatives get activated and gap closure comes more and more possible. So not voting means things will be as tough if not worse in next elections. Every vote matters.

247 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:36:55am

This debate has gone on since it first looked like we would be stuck with McCain. Maybe four years of Obama would be worth sixteen years of Palin/Bush (Jeb) and a conservative congress. Without Jimmah I doubt we would have had twelve years of Reagan/Bush.

248 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:37:58am

re: #241 DesertSage

It also reminds me of something else.


I begin with the young. We older ones are used up but my magnificent youngsters! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? Look at all these men and boys! What material! With you and I, we can make a new world.
- Adolf Hitler

EXACTLY. Can you imagine what the MSM and Dems would be screaming if there were groups of young people acting like that over McCain or ANY conservative? This is getting really scary...

249 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:38:13am

re: #241 DesertSage

Yes. Scary as hell. The soldier-for-obama aspect is intentionally meant to intimidate.

250 TnTx13  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:01am

re: #247 Rancher

This debate has gone on since it first looked like we would be stuck with McCain. Maybe four years of Obama would be worth sixteen years of Palin/Bush (Jeb) and a conservative congress. Without Jimmah I doubt we would have had twelve years of Reagan/Bush.

The only problem with that is the damage that The One can do in just four years...

251 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:19am

re: #237 Mel Lono

Coast Guard veteran. Saved a few lives in my time.


Apologies due, Sorry.

I just have a problem with a conservative willing to give this election to Obama.

252 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:31am

re: #236 Rose Parade

Expect amnesty regardless.

253 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:39:41am

re: #246 Purre

We did and we do. Tom McClintock got elected to the House, even after his loss to Arnold. He fights the good fight against the odds too in DC. I say again,... Sen. McCain has not and does not support the conservative agenda.

254 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:40:24am

re: #242 Mel Lono

Red, no yellow star for me tonight, please. Got my itch going.

/me pours 3 fingers of single malt, single barrel scotch, water on the side, no ice.

i believe what we are up against is the life/text interface, in that not everything we would convey IRL is carried across the CRT.

255 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:40:29am

re: #238 Sharmuta

It must be nice to live in a deep blue state. It absolves you from all electoral responsibilities, apparently.

“If this is a blessing, it is certainly very well disguised.”

~ Winston Churchill

256 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:40:45am

With Pelosi and Reid running the congress and Obama in the white house...we may not last the next four years!

257 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:41:14am

Egads, I'm so sick of the doom and gloom attitude here! You want Obama to be president? Go ahead and not vote. That's your prerogative.

But for God's sake, don't come on here and spread your crap to the rest of us who still give a shit for this country and our freedoms!

Some of us still believe we can pull this thing out and win in November! After all, we've got more than 30 days to do so.

258 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:42:27am

re: #247 Rancher


No,no,no, no more Bushs' please.

259 Purre  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:42:33am

re: #245 gop_patriot

Making avatars is fun. :) Oh, if you want to make cute one, you can't go wrong with kittens. Here is a good example.

260 hazzyday  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:42:41am

re: #253 Mel Lono

We did and we do. Tom McClintock got elected to the House, even after his loss to Arnold. He fights the good fight against the odds too in DC. I say again,... Sen. McCain has not and does not support the conservative agenda.

Sure he does, that is what a political party is all about. He is the conservative agenda now. His Palin pick is a statement. If he wins, she might be President someday. She is a Reagan conservative. Do you know what the good fight is?

261 DesertSage  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:44:20am

re: #253 Mel Lono

We did and we do. Tom McClintock got elected to the House, even after his loss to Arnold. He fights the good fight against the odds too in DC. I say again,... Sen. McCain has not and does not support the conservative agenda.

In what dream world has Tom McClintock already been elected to the house?

262 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:44:56am

For Pete's sake! The PUMAs are not taking this lying down! It's a strange day indeed when I'm happier to have them on my side then some Lizards around here.

263 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:45:17am

re: #259 Purre

you misspelled "kitteh" LOL!

%-)

264 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:45:32am

re: #253 Mel Lono

He looks like Ronald Reagan next to Obama though. Seriously.

Whether or not we liked him the best, the American people chose him as the Republican nominee for POTUS.

The other choice is Barack "my Mommy and Daddy were Marxists, my close friends are domestic terrorists, my racist preacher for half my life hates America" Obama.

265 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:47:29am

Whoa! Are there 0bama TV stations?

[Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

266 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:48:56am

re: #262 Sharmuta

For Pete's sake! The PUMAs are not taking this lying down! It's a strange day indeed when I'm happier to have them on my side then some Lizards around here.

No freaking kidding, Sharm! When I get depressed in what I read on conservative sites, I go to the PUMA sites. They know how to get things done, and they don't whine like little babies about it. They just get busy doing all they can to elect John McCain and Sarah Palin.

If McCain pulls this thing out, it will be because of the PUMAs, and that's for damned sure! Not because of whiny conservatives who get their feelings hurt by every little thing that comes down the pike!

Sheesh.

267 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:49:15am

Is John McCain a Conservative?

FederalismMcCain is most clearly not "a conservative" on the issue of the appropriate role of the federal government. Here, McCain has taken after Teddy Roosevelt, one of his political heroes. Roosevelt viewed the federal government as the ultimate arbiter in the political economy with a particular role in being a counterweight to accumulations of wealth or power. He didn't much see a need for the authority of the federal government itself to be constrained.

Taxes
Prominent conservatives are still criticizing McCain for his votes against the Bush tax cuts. McCain defends himself by saying he voted against them because they weren't offset with reductions in spending. But that's only part of the story.

McCain also sponsored, along with Democratic leader Tom Daschle, an amendment to eviscerate the already modest reduction Bush proposed for the top individual tax rate. This was accompanied by rhetoric criticizing tax cuts for the wealthy.
Need more? It's all there

268 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:50:11am

re: #260 hazzyday

The long fight. I can wait.

269 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:51:14am

It's kind of like the conundrum supporters of bad sports franchises have. You love and want to support your team but if you keep supporting crappy teams there is not much incentive for the team to win. If we support the GOP's insistence that we can't have a conservative candidate then we will never get a conservative candidate.

270 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:52:18am

re: #267 Mel Lono

Get the heck over it and decide to vote for McCain or Obama!

Now is the time for supporters of McCain to pull together! Take your side.

271 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:54:15am

re: #267 Mel Lono


but how does he rate compared to Obanal?

this isn't a theoretical discussion about our preferred ideals, it's a nuts & bolts discussion of which of two shit sandwiches we're going to be handed in November.

think of it as a menu selection: how much distasteful crap do you want to have to eat? you're gonna have to eat some, but isn't it best to control who's & how much if you can?

272 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:54:40am

The PUMAs are emailing the Burning Down the House video!

I feel we are going to win because these people hate 0bama as much as we do. They're even calling for precinct captains! God love 'em.

Who would have thought this time last year we'd be thankful for Hillary voters?

273 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:56:35am

re: #261 DesertSage

You're right. I'm getting ahead of myself.

McClintock for Congress

274 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:57:58am

LMAO! The PUMAs are also promoting a petition for pelosi to resign!

275 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:57:59am

re: #270 Intrepid

you can't make me ... naaa naaaa naaa

276 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:58:11am

Fruitcup for Congress!

(at least it'll make the meetings on time! %-)

277 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:58:48am

re: #268 Mel Lono

The long fight. I can wait.

I can't. Do you remember the Carter years? I do, I was a teenager,but I remember the hardships my family went through, and I don't want to live that again.
The media picked our candidate, and while I'm not wild about it,I'm backing him because the alternate will destroy this country.

278 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:59:17am

re: #275 Mel Lono

you can't make me ... naaa naaaa naaa

i'll come to your bar and hang out wearing my worst Hawaiian shirts....

that'll get'er done.

279 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 1:59:26am

re: #269 Rancher

Thanks Hoss. Owe you one.

280 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

281 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:00:03am

re: #278 redc1c4

i'll come to your bar and hang out wearing my worst Hawaiian shirts....

that'll get'er done.

Got those kind of customers already.
But you're still welcome.

282 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:00:40am

re: #271 redc1c4

A turd sandwich or a giant douchebag, those are your choices. Now vote or die!

283 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:01:08am

re: #280 littleoldlady

Thanks littleol'!

BTW- te PUMAs noticed that the McCain camp will be picking up the pace in the up coming weeks.

[Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...]

We could learn a few things from these people.

284 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:01:25am

re: #282 Rancher

LOL!

285 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:01:44am

re: #281 Mel Lono

Got those kind of customers already.
But you're still welcome.

as long as i have $, right?

/can i run a tab? %-)

286 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:02:27am

re: #271 redc1c4

Whaddaya think red?

Would 4 years of Oblahblah make people see the light and vote in a real conservative in 2012 ?

I mean, that tactic is certainly proving to be a success already, isn't it ? They were advancing that theory as a reason why the Dems should be elected in '06, IIRC . . .

/& what a deal that has turned out to be!

287 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:02:33am

high LoL!

288 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:03:46am

re: #285 redc1c4

/can i run a tab? %-)

No, that's how we lost congress.

289 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:03:50am

re: #275 Mel Lono

you can't make me ... naaa naaaa naaa

If you don't, you won't get desert after your dinner. Eat your veggies now.

It's good for you.

290 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:04:10am

re: #280 littleoldlady

Hooray! Fruit cup ! ! !

291 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:04:23am
#267 Mel Lono
Is John McCain a Conservative?

If you care about this "conservatism" thing, I think a better question you need to ask yourself is:

Is Barack Obama a Conservative?

No?

Then why do you want Obama to win?

----------------------------

Reality: "Which do you want: Vanilla ice cream or a kick in the shin?"
Mel Lono: "Vanilla? That's not my favorite. I want strawberry flavor!"
Reality: "That's not the question. You only have two options: Vanilla ice cream, or a kick in the shin."
Mel Lono: "Strawberry! Strawberry!"
Reality: "If you don't choose, I'll have to choose for you: Vanilla, or a kick?"
Mel Lono: "STWAWBEWWY!"

[Scene deleted for propriety's sake.]

Mel Lono (hopping around and wincing): "Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch!"

292 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:06:04am

re: #277 x-wing

I can't. Do you remember the Carter years? I do, I was a teenager,but I remember the hardships my family went through, and I don't want to live that again.
The media picked our candidate, and while I'm not wild about it,I'm backing him because the alternate will destroy this country.

Yes. I do. I was a 3rd class at the Coast Guard Academy. I had an instructor/Capt TD Combs who was a fervent Carter supporter. He was also my student advisor and baseball coach. I was strongly in support of Reagan, who lost to Ford in the primary. We had debates in Govt class to the exclusion of the lesson plan. At the end, we agreed to disagree. Years later, at a reunion, he said I had been right.

293 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:06:48am

re: #286 Temujin

Whaddaya think red?

Would 4 years of Oblahblah make people see the light and vote in a real conservative in 2012 ?

I mean, that tactic is certainly proving to be a success already, isn't it ? They were advancing that theory as a reason why the Dems should be elected in '06, IIRC . . .

/& what a deal that has turned out to be!

not likely.... but my opinion of the average person is based upon my interaction with them..............

besides, i managed to survive the Carter years, but i was a young man then. i don't want to go through that again.

294 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:06:58am

re: #285 redc1c4

as long as i have $, right?

/can i run a tab? %-)

i have certain "privileges"

295 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:08:15am

'Morning, ALL! :-)

296 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:08:25am

re: #291 zombie

I don't eat ice cream. It's bad for me.

297 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:12am

re: #292 Mel Lono

Then damn, you should know better than the crap you've been spouting this night.

You admire "Winter Soldier"? I'm thinking you do, honestly. That's the vibe you give off.

298 zombie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:24am

re: #296 Mel Lono

I don't eat ice cream. It's bad for me.

As bad as a kick in the shin?

299 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:32am

re: #295 littleoldlady

'Morning, ALL! :-)

i've never seen you topless before: that's a snappy "Happy New Year" to the LNDT!

300 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:35am

re: #280 littleoldlady

Good morning to you too! :)

301 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:09:54am

re: #286 Temujin

Or if Obama wins then the GOP might say, well we need to run someone even more left of McCain to win. But don't none of you think of starting a third party or you'll be surrendering to the Dems! As we move the party more and more to the left we still must support the GOP until there really is no difference between their candidate and ours.

302 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:10:47am

re: #292 Mel Lono

Yes. I do. I was a 3rd class at the Coast Guard Academy. I had an instructor/Capt TD Combs who was a fervent Carter supporter. He was also my student advisor and baseball coach. I was strongly in support of Reagan, who lost to Ford in the primary. We had debates in Govt class to the exclusion of the lesson plan. At the end, we agreed to disagree. Years later, at a reunion, he said I had been right.

I agree Reagan was the better choice against Ford and the RNC admitted that after his speech at the convention, but I can't for the life of me turn this country over to someone like Obama.

/were you one of those that went without pay at the end of Carters reign?

303 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:11:00am

re: #295 littleoldlady

'Morning, ALL! :-)

Still in turmoil here, LOL. Thanks for the fruit cup!

(perhaps it should have come laced with some spirits?)

304 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:12:18am

re: #299 redc1c4

More like headless.

/I don't know whether to blame the mere thought of mah fellow Amuricans voting for a communist or the matzoh balls.

305 akak  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:13:22am

McCamnesty is back Rancher, was only hiding around the corner. Still better than Obama even if he does let 6 million Iraqi's in.

306 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:14:36am

re: #303 Intrepid

Still in turmoil here, LOL. Thanks for the fruit cup!

(perhaps it should have come laced with some spirits?)

trust me: it was......

ask LoL about her security. %-)

307 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:15:03am

re: #297 Intrepid

Then damn, you should know better than the crap you've been spouting this night.

You admire "Winter Soldier"? I'm thinking you do, honestly. That's the vibe you give off.

Enlighten me. Are you talking about Capt.America's nemesis, the movie, or the Vietnam atrocity investigation?

308 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:15:19am

re: #303 Intrepid

Still in turmoil here, LOL. Thanks for the fruit cup!

(perhaps it should have come laced with some spirits?)

That's red's job.

/and to think I used to be resistant!
//Kool Aid anyone?

309 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:16:08am

re: #302 x-wing

No, but we did have a RIF shortly thereafete.

310 redc1c4  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:16:23am

can't save people from themselves, and i can't stop the clock..... L8r........ hasta y'all!

311 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:17:21am

If his vote mattered I would say vote McCain, but to sacrifice his principles so as to inflate the popular vote by one is pointless. I would rather make a statement by not voting for POTUS except for Sarah. And if McCain dumps Sarah because she's not a polished enough debater then no amount of Lizard pressure will convince me to vote for him.

312 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:17:26am

re: #310 redc1c4

Night red
/white smoke

313 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:17:40am

re: #309 Mel Lono

No, but we did have a RIF shortly thereafete.

What's a thereafete?

/purple smoke

314 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:18:23am

re: #238 Sharmuta

It must be nice to live in a deep blue state. It absolves you from all electoral responsibilities, apparently.

It certainly takes the pressure off. I'm ready for Chairman Obama to grab the metaphorical streering wheel of the country and yank it into oncoming traffic. I'm not happy about that but I'm at peace with that possibility. If it happens I'm not going to blame the press, the public or some grand conspiracy. The Republicans are responsible for their own loss.

315 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:19:31am

re: #301 Rancher

Sounds about right.

The RINOs here in the Northeast have that game down to a science!

/

316 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:19:53am

Another reason I can't buy into the polls- the PUMAs are everywhere and they're claiming their numbers are growing.

[Link: www.democratsformccain.com...]

317 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:21:37am

re: #311 Rancher

I'd have to really contemplate my decision if that were to happen.

I'm pretty sure I'd still vote for Mac, but I'd be very disgruntled doing it. And praying a Rep would run against him in 2012.

318 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:21:50am

re: #307 Mel Lono

Enlighten me. Are you talking about Capt.America's nemesis, the movie, or the Vietnam atrocity investigation?

Sorry, why do you ask this? What is your motivation?

319 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:22:13am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

It certainly takes the pressure off. I'm ready for Chairman Obama to grab the metaphorical streering wheel of the country and yank it into oncoming traffic. I'm not happy about that but I'm at peace with that possibility. If it happens I'm not going to blame the press, the public or some grand conspiracy. The Republicans are responsible for their own loss.

Actually, I thought it was going to be all my fault. I can handle that.

320 middlecon  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:23:54am

I support McCain and will vote for him, in a state that is usually red but looks a little pink in some maps.

However its always funny to me to read basically the same story at both conservative and liberal blogs...you both agree on one thing:

If [your candidate] isn't elected, the nation is doomed to fail.

I have WAY more faith in the USA than to think that one presidency can bring down a nation.

321 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:24:37am

re: #318 Intrepid

r

e: #297 Intrepid

Then damn, you should know better than the crap you've been spouting this night.

You admire "Winter Soldier"? I'm thinking you do, honestly. That's the vibe you give off.

Was there a question there? If not, I meant no harm.

322 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:24:49am

With as close as the last few elections have been, even a fraction of Hillary's 18 million votes will be the difference. We have those votes. They won't go for 0bama no matter what. I think we'll end up winning because of these temporary allies.

323 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:25:41am

re: #321 Mel Lono

r

Was there a question there? If not, I meant no harm.

Still asking why you're questioning?

324 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:26:31am

re: #323 Intrepid

Winter Soldier is .............?

325 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:26:47am

Morning. Any fruitcup left? Little did add a lot of booze this morning didn't she?

326 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:27:20am

re: #320 middlecon

I have WAY more faith in the USA than to think that one presidency can bring down a nation.

We are still paying for the Carter presidency.

If you doubt that, take another look at Iran.

327 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:27:38am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

If it happens I'm not going to blame the press, the public or some grand conspiracy.

I know you have a spotty internet connection, so you might not have seen this post that Charles put up. Sadly, it's hardly a grand conspiracy. Just a thought.

328 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:28:07am

re: #322 Sharmuta

With as close as the last few elections have been, even a fraction of Hillary's 18 million votes will be the difference. We have those votes. They won't go for 0bama no matter what. I think we'll end up winning because of these temporary allies.

Maybe not so temporary Sharmuta. Every now and then we have a huge shift in the makeup of our political parties. Seems to be about time for another one.

329 Intrepid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:29:16am

re: #324 Mel Lono

Winter Soldier is .............?

This is Winter Solider

330 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:29:33am

re: #325 galloping granny

I had help...

'Morning, granny! :-)

331 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:30:33am

re: #325 galloping granny

Morning, gg !

332 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:30:42am

re: #327 gop_patriot

I have no doubt that the press is in the tank for Obama. It's not a secret.

333 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:31:05am

re: #329 Intrepid

This is Winter Solider

ok.. why is relevant to this discussion?

334 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:35:28am

re: #328 galloping granny

Maybe not so temporary Sharmuta. Every now and then we have a huge shift in the makeup of our political parties. Seems to be about time for another one.

I think this is a one shot deal with this bloc. I hope our side doesn't screw it up.
With every thing going the Dems. way this cycle, they were blowing it, and now it seems like we're giving them a mulligan.

335 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:37:15am

re: #295 littleoldlady

'Morning, ALL! :-)

Morning Maam! Sorry, had my hands full.

336 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:38:57am

re: #335 Mel Lono

...a likely excuse!

;-)

337 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:39:46am

re: #334 x-wing

I think this is a one shot deal with this bloc. I hope our side doesn't screw it up.
With every thing going the Dems. way this cycle, they were blowing it, and now it seems like we're giving them a mulligan.

I would agree with you except that I have some vague idea of just how many folks who hang out here used to be "democrats."

338 Rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:42:29am

re: #317 x-wing

I suppose I'd still vote for him too, but only because NM will be close.

/But I wouldn't admit it to anyone.

339 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:44:34am

re: #337 galloping granny

I would agree with you except that I have some vague idea of just how many folks who hang out here used to be "democrats."

I'll take your word on that maam. But looking around at other right leaning sites, there's alot of pessimism going on. I'm still holding out hope.

/always the optimist

340 saltmarsh  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:44:55am

:Boy Yogi, Obama has his own marching chanting diatribe reciting youts.

:Yeah Boo Boo, they make sudden moves, dress alike, think alike, and exhibit a highly defined oneness. They have all the makings of a real chain gang.

:That sounds racist Yogi.

:It's worse than racist Boo Boo, he's shackled these children at the mind and they may never know freedom again. This one is another Jim Jones.

341 Mel Lono  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:45:15am

re: #338 Rancher

Goodnight Hoss. Thanks for the cover. Haven't had it this hot in awhile, but I guess it's crunch time.

342 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:45:18am

re: #337 galloping granny

I would agree with you except that I have some vague idea of just how many folks who hang out here used to be "democrats."

“Every Harlot was a Virgin once.” ~ William Blake

/Not implying anything . . .

343 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:45:47am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt that the press is in the tank for Obama. It's not a secret.

OK, you've not been on much so I didn't know your opinion on that... I was just pointing out that it's hardly a conspiracy if it's not a secret. Kind of like it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you... That in this instance, some of the blame can be laid on the media, it's not just a failure by the Republicans. That's all. :)

344 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:47:01am

re: #339 x-wing

I'll take your word on that maam. But looking around at other right leaning sites, there's alot of pessimism going on. I'm still holding out hope.

/always the optimist

I think the pessimism is a whole different ballgame than whether or not the PUMAs are going to return to the fold of the Democrat party.

Note to pessimists - it is always darkest before the dawn.

345 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:47:28am

re: #338 Rancher

I suppose I'd still vote for him too, but only because NM will be close.

/But I wouldn't admit it to anyone.


Your secret is safe with me. I'm usually blabby, but on this, mums the word.

346 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:50:39am

so, I'm watching the O'Reilly rerun and he is showing part of the clip of the Herr Obama Children's Chorus. Unfortunately he cut the clip just before "and rearrange it." BTW, O'Reilly the idiot seems to see nothing at all wrong with it.

347 gop_patriot  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:50:44am

Well, I'm outta here, heading to bed finally. :)

Hope y'all have a great day tomorrow.

And Killgore, if I don't see you here again before you leave to come home, have a safe trip.

Goodnight!

348 Killian Bundy  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:52:16am

re: #268 Mel Lono

The long fight. I can wait.

/those Obama Supreme Court picks are appointments for life

349 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:54:04am

'Night, gop! :-)

Coffee is starting to kick in...

Mel,

Am I to understand that you're not voting at all?

350 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:55:09am

HMMM - I wonder when we are going to be asked to bail out GE?

351 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:55:30am

re: #349 littleoldlady


Mel has left the room

352 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:56:07am

The left try to erase creepy Obama video from history

Remember that Obama video? The one with all the kids, that was like an eerily cross between Children of the Damned and the Aryan kid in Caberet singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"

Well it's now been removed from youtube.

Daily Kos has also been purging it - from here )but there's still a version on Google Cache) and here although the person behind the video still has a diary on the site.

Obama's official site has removed it from here (Google Cache)

Now the big question - are they suddenly embarrassed that the Cult worship is too obvious, or are they ashamed at the way they brainwashed kids.

Must be something like that, otherwise why remove the video and all references to it?

353 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:56:13am

re: #350 galloping granny

THAT will make O'Reilly's head explode!

354 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:56:44am

re: #350 galloping granny

HMMM - I wonder when we are going to be asked to bail out GE?

Isn't Warren Buffet jumping into GE with both feet?

355 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:59:16am

re: #352 uptight

The left try to erase creepy Obama video from history

Remember that Obama video? The one with all the kids, that was like an eerily cross between Children of the Damned and the Aryan kid in Caberet singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"

Well it's now been removed from youtube.

Daily Kos has also been purging it - from here )but there's still a version on Google Cache) and here although the person behind the video still has a diary on the site.

Obama's official site has removed it from here (Google Cache)

Now the big question - are they suddenly embarrassed that the Cult worship is too obvious, or are they ashamed at the way they brainwashed kids.

Must be something like that, otherwise why remove the video and all references to it?

I would not say they are embarrassed that the cult worship was too obvious. I would say that they are flabbergasted that so many people saw right through the mask. The "elite" really do think that we are all stupid sheep you know.

356 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:59:18am

re: #351 x-wing

Is that what he said? He's not voting at all?

357 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 2:59:29am

re: #354 x-wing

Isn't Warren Buffet jumping into GE with both feet?

Yup.

358 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:00:09am

re: #352 uptight

It reminded you of that scene from Cabaret, too? Glad to hear that; I was beginning to think I was paranoid . . .

359 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:00:27am

re: #352 uptight

Did you see Obamas band of Militant Mus...er..Militant Inner City Youth up thread?

360 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:00:44am

re: #353 littleoldlady

THAT will make O'Reilly's head explode!

I don't know Little. I have been thinking for quite some while now that O'Reilly is in the tank for Obama too.

361 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:30am

Dow futures is down this morning after the passage of Porkapalooza last night. (credit to Steve Doocie)

362 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:31am

Good? Morning lizzards. So they are gonna let the O steal Ohio.?
With this early voteing crap.

363 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:53am

re: #356 littleoldlady

Is that what he said? He's not voting at all?

He said he's not voting for Pres.

364 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:01:58am

re: #359 x-wing

Did you see Obamas band of Militant Mus...er..Militant Inner City Youth up thread?

where up page?

365 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:03:31am

re: #360 galloping granny

I don't know Little. I have been thinking for quite some while now that O'Reilly is in the tank for Obama too.

But not for GE. He's had it out for GE for a long time.

366 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:05:20am

re: #362 Oldasdirt

Light sleeper are we?

/I should get my ass to bed.

367 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:05:47am

re: #364 galloping granny

where up page?

Hang on

368 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:06:17am

re: #366 x-wing

Cant sleep,,someone is stealing my country

369 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:06:59am

re: #368 Oldasdirt

Cant sleep,,someone is stealing my country

I hear you. I woke up about 4 with nightmares about that. I don't have nightmares.

370 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:08:11am

erata - the diary at Kos was NOT by the person responsible for the video

371 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:08:24am

G*D dammit,,there stealing my money too,,,,WTF

372 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:08:46am

re: #369 galloping granny

gg : you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you . . .

373 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:09:09am

re: #364 galloping granny

where up page?

Here you go


374 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:10:06am

Good Lord In Heaven, look at this -

An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst's requests have largely been ignored. "I can't get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it."

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

375 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:10:21am

re: #358 Temujin

It reminded you of that scene from Cabaret, too? Glad to hear that; I was beginning to think I was paranoid . . .

many people instantly thought the same - check out the er..."tribute" videos to this one

Ed Morrissey at Hotair, also made the connection

376 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:11:15am

Good morning, Lizards.

377 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:12:22am

re: #368 Oldasdirt

Cant sleep,,someone is stealing my country

I with you on that. I not really even that tired, and I've had Little Old Ladies spiked fruit cup.
I must say, Red did a heck of a job with the Everclear.

378 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:12:43am

re: #373 x-wing

Here you go


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Hitler Jugend. There is simply no other parallel to draw. When youth groups become politicized to an individual rather than an idea, we are in great big trouble.

379 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:13:43am

re: #376 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good Morning goddess. BTW, can I grab a copy of that rubric you hand out to your kiddies, pretty please? The one you mentioned the other day. . .

380 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:14:26am

re: #352 uptight

You know it's bad when even Matt Drudge makes a crack about "Dear Leader".

381 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:14:37am

re: #359 x-wing

Did you see Obamas band of Militant Mus...er..Militant Inner City Youth up thread?

which thread?

382 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:05am

re: #375 uptight

Guess that clinches it.

Obama uber alles !

383 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:07am

Tried to sleep.But i keep thinking,,there stealing the election in Ohio.
Gwin Ifill will be fair?
MSM is in tank for the O.
John McCain asked me to stand up and fight with, him so i did,,but i look around,,and i cant find McCain.
And yesterday,,my senators ask me to bend over and take it.

384 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:26am

re: #375 uptight

many people instantly thought the same - check out the er..."tribute" videos to this one

Ed Morrissey at Hotair, also made the connection

The Obama kids video done by Universal Studios is gone though. Somebody who grabbed a copy should rename it and upload it again.

385 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:15:41am

re: #376 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning Goddess, sleep well I hope.

386 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:16:21am

re: #381 uptight


See #378

387 TheMatrix31  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:16:23am

re: #374 galloping granny

Good Lord In Heaven, look at this -

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

Can't there be SOMETHING that brings this guy down?!

388 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:17:07am

re: #378 galloping granny

Hitler Jugend. There is simply no other parallel to draw. When youth groups become politicized to an individual rather than an idea, we are in great big trouble.

And by the way, did you notice that these kids are all spiffed out in paramilitary uniforms?

389 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:17:48am

re: #387 TheMatrix31

Can't there be SOMETHING that brings this guy down?!

THE AMERICAN VOTER.

/period. full stop.

390 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:17:48am

re: #387 TheMatrix31

Can't there be SOMETHING that brings this guy down?!

Apparently not. Obama is the Teflon Feuhrer.

391 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:18:39am

re: #385 x-wing

Morning Goddess, sleep well I hope.

{x-wing}

Yes, thank you, and even better, I ate well yesterday. I've been stress-snacking way too much.

392 yma o hyd  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:18:43am

re: #229 TnTx13

OK, when they start reciting highlights of Obama's health care plan, it is seriously freaked out. Lizards, you ALL need to watch this...

Gawd!

Watch this - and if after seeing this you're not going out full tilt to prevent that man from getting into the White House, then you deserve whats coming.

E-mail it everywhere, to the PUMAs, the McCain campaing, everywhere!

Ask yourselves this: what meaning has your right and correct disgust about the rise of Nazi-Parties in Europe when this is actually happening on your own doorstep - and you (still) have a chance of preventing this, but do not because of idealistic niceties about what is true conservatism? Or because the polls make you feel doomed?

I know most Lizards here are fully committed - my question is for those who aren't!
Sorry I blew my top. I can't describe how sick this video makes me!

Oh - good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizards.

393 uptight  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:20:04am

oh - I got it

"Because of Obama I'm going to run the World Bank....now would you like fries with that sir?"

394 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:21:01am

re: #388 galloping granny

Weren't there stories a few weeks back about Obama proposing some kind of permanent youth organization?

Perhaps I should have paid closer attention to that one!

395 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:23:08am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

{x-wing}

Yes, thank you, and even better, I ate well yesterday. I've been stress-snacking way too much.

You look just fine from here. And what's a little snack between friends. :>}

I don't know if you saw,but newsjunkie ky lost her dog the other day and is taking it hard. Could you add her in your prayers, if you are not already.

396 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:23:40am

re: #394 Temujin

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

But I can't find the link :-(

397 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:23:53am

re: #374 galloping granny

Now this just pisses me off..WTF...they investigate Bush in 92,,but wont look into this.
Thats right politicians,keep talking,,I'm reloading

398 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:24:04am

Look at the description on that video -

Urban middle school students uniquely display their understanding of the democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama's health care reform plan. The chant "omega, alpha" symbolizes the end of the old way of thinking, and the newness in their ideas and thoughts. Barack Obama has invoked thought even in the minds of the youth.

Campaign activity in public schools is illegal!

399 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:24:45am

re: #395 x-wing

Done, Thanks for letting me know--I'm sorry to here that.

400 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:25:33am

re: #394 Temujin

Weren't there stories a few weeks back about Obama proposing some kind of permanent youth organization?

Perhaps I should have paid closer attention to that one!

More than a few weeks ago. He has made the comments about a civilian security force as large, well equipped and well funded as the US military is today a number of times, going back for many months.

401 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:26:21am

re: #383 Oldasdirt

No- the PUMAs noticed McCain is working on fighting these last couple weeks. We need to keep fighting. We need to get involved because McCain is look for us to.

402 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:26:29am

re: #399 goddessoftheclassroom

Done, Thanks for letting me know--I'm sorry to here that.

Oops, distraction moment: "hear that."

403 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:26:53am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Here's a different link.

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."

404 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:27:27am

re: #396 littleoldlady

Yes, that sounds like what I was recalling . . .

I swear, this guy generates so much disturbing news, you need an organized system just to keep track of it!

405 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:31:21am

re: #402 goddessoftheclassroom

Oops, distraction moment: "hear that."


I didn't even catch that. When I read your posts, it's like you're speaking to me. I don't see letters.


/you truly are a goddess.

406 Oldasdirt[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:33:28am
407 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:35:31am

re: #401 Sharmuta

No- the PUMAs noticed McCain is working on fighting these last couple weeks. We need to keep fighting. We need to get involved because McCain is look for us to.

Exactly. You can't quit fighting when the fighting gets a little tough and it looks like you might lose the battle. You have to redouble your efforts to WIN.

Start by sending that video around to everyone you know. Do not forget to address all of them as BCC - not CC. Otherwise you will send out everyone's email address.

There is a LEGAL paramilitary group for kids. It is called Junior ROTC. Very effective. Shown the door in liberal school districts.

408 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:37:53am

re: #406 Oldasdirt

Be VERY CAREFUL with statements like that Oldasdirt. You will arouse Stinky's wrath, and perhaps bring yourself to notice you don't want. Just so you know and are not surprised, I am reporting this comment so that somebody can delete it. Nothing personal at all. Most of us have made comments we wished we could take back about 3 milliseconds after we push the button.

409 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:38:53am

Hi Everyone!

Littleoldlady! : )

Been thinking of you quite a bit! I've come across lots of Littles lately.

410 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:39:20am

re: #403 littleoldlady

Here's a different link.

SAVE THE PAGE! Grab a screen shot. If you use Firefox, you can get a plugin called FireShot that will take a screen shot of the entire page, not just what appears in your browser window.

411 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:39:49am

re: #406 Oldasdirt

Maybe all it would take is a game of one on one with Saracuda.

412 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:39:54am

re: #408 galloping granny

No problem!

413 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:41:52am

re: #409 little blessing

little blessing!

We're gonna take over the world!

/variation on today's theme

414 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:42:08am

re: #412 Oldasdirt

No problem!

Remember while hanging out here that not only do the newsies use this as a resource for what is "news" today, the looneytunes hang out here fishing for the slightest comment to exploit. If they can exploit it by complaining to any authority anywhere they have and they will.

415 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:43:30am

re: #413 littleoldlady

little blessing!

We're gonna take over the world!

/variation on today's theme

Well - that is a much better tune to listen to than the last video.

BTW, does anyone know an effective way to grab YouTube videos?

416 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:44:40am

Newsbuster's seems to think the polls are bullshit too:

Polls Radically Change Party Mix to Fabricate an Obama Trend

417 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:46:29am

re: #416 Sharmuta

Newsbuster's seems to think the polls are bullshit too:

Polls Radically Change Party Mix to Fabricate an Obama Trend

Yup. I had quite a go round with JMV the other morning about statistics and whether or not these "polls" are accurate.

418 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:46:56am

re: #416 Sharmuta

Never believe entirely in the polls!

It's like wearing sunglasses on a sunny day and wondering why it looks overcast.

/distortion
//oh and they believed those Ron Paul Polls too!

419 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:47:21am

re: #410 galloping granny

SAVE THE PAGE! Grab a screen shot. If you use Firefox, you can get a plugin called FireShot that will take a screen shot of the entire page, not just what appears in your browser window.

I printed it out. I'll have to show this around a bit.

420 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:48:44am

Now here is a good story - [Link: www.cfnews13.com...]

421 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:50:08am

re: #420 galloping granny

Yeah,,caught that on Drudge this AM,,got a chuckel out of it.

422 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:51:34am

re: #415 galloping granny

Youtube Downloader.

423 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:52:19am

Ya'll remember that infamous picture of Obama with his hands clasped over his crotch during the National Anthem? Look at that Obama Jugend video again -

Our new Pledge of Allegiance!

424 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:52:49am

Does anyone have the link for the story of the comedian who got thrown off a charity fundraiser for saying that Palin would be "gang raped" if she came to New York?

425 sparrowlake  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:54:36am

Stick it to him, Sarah!
Good morning LGF.

426 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:55:30am
427 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:55:45am

Got to run, dearest Lizards. Take care, and have a great day!

428 LEGION  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:56:55am

Almost 7am- time to start the work day- ughh.

429 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:57:05am

re: #424 little blessing

Does anyone have the link for the story of the comedian who got thrown off a charity fundraiser for saying that Palin would be "gang raped" if she came to New York?

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

430 Benthoven  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:58:10am

Here you go - Sandra Bernhardt kicked off the fundraiser

[Link: malaysia.news.yahoo.com...]

431 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:59:40am

re: #429 Temujin

Thanks!

432 little blessing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 3:59:57am

re: #430 Benthoven

Thanks as well!

433 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:00:26am

re: #420 galloping granny


FTA:"I got nothing good to say about Obama," Lacasse told News 13. "If I see anybody touching that sign, I got a club sitting right over there."
---------
Are you happy what they did to her?" Lacasse asked.
--------
"Come on. He got people going to Alaska, looking for something to say bad about her."
----------

Is this what Chicago schools spit out? The guy spells Muslim ...Muslin

Don't get me wrong,I respect his service and I do want McCain to win,but I don't know if I want this guys help.

434 Temujin  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:00:59am

re: #424 little blessing

Here's another link :

[Link: www.boston.com...]

435 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:02:31am

re: #424 little blessing

Does anyone have the link for the story of the comedian who got thrown off a charity fundraiser for saying that Palin would be "gang raped" if she came to New York?


Hot Air has it.

436 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:02:54am

re: #423 galloping granny

Remember seeing something like this in 1936 Germany.

437 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:03:48am

re: #433 x-wing

FTA:"I got nothing good to say about Obama," Lacasse told News 13. "If I see anybody touching that sign, I got a club sitting right over there."
---------
Are you happy what they did to her?" Lacasse asked.
--------
"Come on. He got people going to Alaska, looking for something to say bad about her."
----------

Is this what Chicago schools spit out? The guy spells Muslim ...Muslin

Don't get me wrong,I respect his service and I do want McCain to win,but I don't know if I want this guys help.

Note that the guy is a disaffected Democrat - not a Republican - and that he has an anti-Obama sign, not a pro-Republican sign. We don't have to own him.

438 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:06:21am

re: #420 galloping granny

From your link:

Neighbors of Andy Lacasse said the sign, which reads "Obama Half-Breed Muslin [sic]," breaches the fine line between free speech and inappropriateness.

There is no line between free speech and inappropriateness, fine or otherwise. Especially in politics. MissiSSippi aside, however inappropriate, offensive, or even incorrect it is it is still protected.

439 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:06:30am

re: #437 galloping granny

Note that the guy is a disaffected Democrat - not a Republican - and that he has an anti-Obama sign, not a pro-Republican sign. We don't have to own him.

So you're saying we can throw him under the bus after the election?:>}

Or should we send him to the Limbaugh re-education camp.

440 Gharqad  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:06:36am

0bama is Robert Mugabe with a better P.R. firm.

441 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:08:35am

re: #436 Oldasdirt

Remember seeing something like this in 1936 Germany.

Yeah, and I happen to be teaching that this year. I have an entire stack of books for middle-school and high school aged kids sitting out here in my classroom. We had our first lesson on propaganda day before yesterday with the Fuerher Obama Children's Chorus video.

Just in case any of you need the information, the essential differences between Hitler Youth/Young Pioneers and Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts are these -

Hitler Youth/Young Pioneers has a distinct political component not present in BS or GS.

Membership in Hitler Youth/Young Pioneers was open only to those who belong to the correct groups. GS/BS open to all.

Hitler Youth - mandatory. GS/BS not mandatory.

442 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:09:55am

re: #439 x-wing

So you're saying we can throw him under the bus after the election?:>}

Or should we send him to the Limbaugh re-education camp.

I'm saying we can simply ignore him. He has a right to free speech - even if he can't spell or says things that are not particularly helpful. As in "I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

443 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:12:10am

re: #428 LEGION

Almost 7am- time to start the work day- ughh.

Almost 7am- time to quit the work night- yea! Actually I got two hours to go till 7 but it's not like I'm really working. Easiest job I've ever had, night desk at a hotel.

444 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:17:03am

re: #442 galloping granny

Just so they mention his party affliliation when he is interviewed.

I only hope that this guy is one of millions(and I do mean millions) that feel his pain.

445 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:18:05am

re: #444 x-wing

Just so they mention his party affliliation when he is interviewed.

I only hope that this guy is one of millions(and I do mean millions) that feel his pain.

Me too. Because I have a nasty feeling that we are going to need a lot more votes than conventional wisdom says we need to overcome the rigged voting machines.

446 littleoldlady  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:19:15am

re: #443 rancher

So when we suggest to someone here - Get a room! - you're the person we should be seeing about that? ;-)

447 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:20:31am

re: #443 rancher

Almost 7am- time to quit the work night- yea! Actually I got two hours to go till 7 but it's not like I'm really working. Easiest job I've ever had, night desk at a hotel.

Dude this is room 322. Where's my breakfast?

/purple smoke

448 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:21:46am

re: #445 galloping granny

... I have a nasty feeling that we are going to need a lot more votes than conventional wisdom says we need to overcome the rigged voting machines.

I don't worry about the voting machines as much as the political machines. If this is close you are going to see every vote contested and this time we better demand all the counties be recounted, not just the ones the Dems want.

449 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:23:54am

re: #448 rancher

I don't worry about the voting machines as much as the political machines. If this is close you are going to see every vote contested and this time we better demand all the counties be recounted, not just the ones the Dems want.

Exactly. Though I do seriously worry about the voting machines. There have been too many rumours of them being rigged and that is a pretty easy thing to do if you have access to the software.

450 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:24:17am

re: #448 rancher

They are breaking the voteing laws in Ohio right now,and getting away with it.

451 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:25:13am

re: #447 x-wing

Where's my breakfast?

Here.

452 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:26:17am

Wow, I just found the only thing I agree with Leonardo DiCaprio on.

"If you're not going to vote I don't even know what to say to you anymore," DiCaprio says after the video turns serious.

453 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:26:40am

Naming Names and the things they said in todays WSJ

Some quotes

Rep. Frank: I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing. . .


...........

Rep. Frank: Let me ask [George] Gould and [Franklin] Raines on behalf of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, do you feel that over the past years you have been substantially under-regulated?

Mr. Raines?

Mr. Raines: No, sir.

Mr. Frank: Mr. Gould?

Mr. Gould: No, sir. . . .

Mr. Frank: OK. Then I am not entirely sure why we are here. . . .

Rep. Frank: I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than, in fact, exists.

.............

Sen. Thomas Carper (D., Del.): What is the wrong that we're trying to right here? What is the potential harm that we're trying to avert?

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan: Well, I think that that is a very good question, senator.

What we're trying to avert is we have in our financial system right now two very large and growing financial institutions which are very effective and are essentially capable of gaining market shares in a very major market to a large extent as a consequence of what is perceived to be a subsidy that prevents the markets from adjusting appropriately, prevents competition and the normal adjustment processes that we see on a day-by-day basis from functioning in a way that creates stability. . . . And so what we have is a structure here in which a very rapidly growing organization, holding assets and financing them by subsidized debt, is growing in a manner which really does not in and of itself contribute to either home ownership or necessarily liquidity or other aspects of the financial markets. . . .

There is more

454 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:28:27am

Frank has to go.

455 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:29:52am

and this, from someone I don't care for..


Sen. Chuck Hagel (R., Neb.): Mr. Chairman, what we're dealing with is an astounding failure of management and board responsibility, driven clearly by self interest and greed. And when we reference this issue in the context of -- the best we can say is, "It's no Enron." Now, that's a hell of a high standard.
456 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:30:21am

re: #451 rancher

Lol, but now I gotta get dressed.

457 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:31:44am

Here's some Chesterton for Democrats like Barney Frank:

It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
458 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:32:58am

Here's another:

There are no wise few. Every aristocracy that has ever existed has behaved, in all essential points, exactly like a small mob.
459 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:33:06am

Is it me or is it mainly Democrats that want every idiot to vote? Myself, if someone is not going to seriously look at the issues I don't want them in the booth. Dems depend on people voting on emotion or hype so idiots are a good voting block for them to court.

460 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:34:37am

Realclear politics has the latest figures up for the battleground states - in some states they are within a tenth of a percentage point. In none of the big battleground states is Obama close to even getting out of the margin of error.

461 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:36:05am

re: #448 rancher

What about Ohio where they are already voting? Who's minding that store? Who's verifying that these people who are voting are eligible to vote? If parties are being denied access to 'voting' places, how can stuffing be prevented? I'd challenged the vote counts in every precinct in Ohio if I were an Ohio resident.

462 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:37:05am

re: #458 godfrey

Keep 'em comin'.

463 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:38:19am

re: #459 rancher

Is it me or is it mainly Democrats that want every idiot to vote? Myself, if someone is not going to seriously look at the issues I don't want them in the booth. Dems depend on people voting on emotion or hype so idiots are a good voting block for them to court.

Florida 2000 opened my eyes. And I'll never forget the sing the youg guy on the street was holding

"Democrats, to dumb to Vote"

So true,because Gore would've won that election, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

464 sparrowlake  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:38:33am

I have this FEELING that swing voters have grown weary of poorly focussed attacks and are hungering for a calmer, more stable and more positive message from McCain/Palin that they can believe in.

465 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:38:47am

re: #463 x-wing

Florida 2000 opened my eyes. And I'll never forget the sing the youg guy on the street was holding

"Democrats, to dumb to Vote"

So true,because Gore would've won that election, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

Let's just leave them dumb then.

466 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:38:56am

re: #453 Dar ul Harbarian

Boy have I been looking for something like that. I want to blog about this "plenty of blame to go around" BS. Thank you very much, you saved me allot of research.

467 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:40:35am

re: #465 galloping granny

Granny,,did you say you were a teacher?

468 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:40:54am

One more and I'm off:

The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.
469 jim in virginia  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:41:13am

Morning all. I've been driving to and from Hampton Roads on business every week for the past month. Half of the trip is in radio range of a Richmond country station. For the past two weeks I've heard three or four Obambi ads an hour. One yesterday was from the president of "American Hunters and Shooters (whose motto I believe is 'We are not the NRA'): "McCain and Obama will both help you keep your guns, Obama wil help you keep your job."
Besides the nails on the chalkboard effect of hearing "Paid for by Obama for America" four times an hour, I'm wondering What It All Means. Do they have polls showing this has some effect? Do they figure they need votes from at least a few of the folks who cling to guns and religion? Do they really have money coming out the wazoo? Radio is cheap and Richmond is not major market but it not a small market either.

470 yochanan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:42:10am

all the local chicago sports media hype is on the chicago cubs who lost yesterday in my little white sox brain it would be very funny if the 'fubs' were one and out and the REAL CHICAGO BASEBALL TEAM WON THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.

EVIL WHITE SOX GRIN HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

471 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:42:21am

re: #467 Oldasdirt

Granny,,did you say you were a teacher?

I homeschool my grandchild and a couple of her friends.

472 yesandno  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:42:34am

re: #203 Mel Lono

zombie - i respect you and have followed your work. I choose not to vote for Sen. McCain as a matter of conscience. I made this decision 4 months ago, when none of my conservative picks made the grade. It is no secret here. I will not detail the list again, but he does not represent me or my ideals for what I think is right for the country. Come what may.

Does this mean you are voting for a third party individual or not voting for Pres. at all

473 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:43:05am

re: #465 galloping granny

Let's just leave them dumb then.


Amen granny.

Did you just see that gut on Fox with that stupid hat on? Dems. going after the homeless vote. Wonder how much crack they offered them.

474 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:43:38am

re: #471 galloping granny

I homeschool my grandchild and a couple of her friends.

I was just wondering if they still taught the constitution in public schools?

475 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:45:10am

re: #469 jim in virginia

Morning all. I've been driving to and from Hampton Roads on business every week for the past month. Half of the trip is in radio range of a Richmond country station. For the past two weeks I've heard three or four Obambi ads an hour. One yesterday was from the president of "American Hunters and Shooters (whose motto I believe is 'We are not the NRA'): "McCain and Obama will both help you keep your guns, Obama wil help you keep your job."
Besides the nails on the chalkboard effect of hearing "Paid for by Obama for America" four times an hour, I'm wondering What It All Means. Do they have polls showing this has some effect? Do they figure they need votes from at least a few of the folks who cling to guns and religion? Do they really have money coming out the wazoo? Radio is cheap and Richmond is not major market but it not a small market either.

I wonder if people hearing that realize that this ad clearly states that Obama will not let them keep their guns? Or if they realize that you can get another job, but once our rights to keep guns are gone, we will never get it back?

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:45:56am
A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.

— G. K. Chesterton

I pray thee, takest thou head out of thine anus.

477 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:46:27am

re: #469 jim in virginia

VA is a toss up.

478 sparrowlake  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:47:28am

re: #460 galloping granny

Realclear politics has the latest figures up for the battleground states - in some states they are within a tenth of a percentage point. In none of the big battleground states is Obama close to even getting out of the margin of error.

That is why the Reps must stay calm, positive and focussed. Definitely not a time for panic or desperation - McCain/Palin must stay on message.
Let the Dems do the yelling and screaming.

479 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:47:46am

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morning FBV

480 yochanan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:47:46am

re: #169 Intrepid

THE MORE I SEE THE P.D.S. from the left the more I ♥ PALIN

481 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:48:09am

re: #472 yesandno

He's gone but didn't mention anyone. I think he's just not voting for Pres. Who else is there given the libertarian stance on Iraq?

482 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:49:28am

re: #471 galloping granny

I homeschool my grandchild and a couple of her friends.

Then you are a teacher.

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:49:40am

Hi guys. What time are the debates? Please use Eastern Standard Time language.

484 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:50:32am

re: #469 jim in virginia

"American Hunters and Shooters "

Anyone that reads the NRA magizines know that this group is anti-gun as hell.
They chose the name to decieve(how bout that, a leftwing group being deceptive) regular gun owners into thinking they are fighting for us.

Obamas' in big trouble in rural areas and he's doing his damnedest to sucker the less educated among us.

485 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:50:38am
486 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:50:51am

re: #459 rancher

Is it me or is it mainly Democrats that want every idiot to vote? Myself, if someone is not going to seriously look at the issues I don't want them in the booth. Dems depend on people voting on emotion or hype so idiots are a good voting block for them to court.

In 2000 I was listening to a music station on election day when the DJ took a call from a lady who hadn't made up her mind who to vote for yet so the DJ told her to just flip a coin. I yelled at my radio, "Then DON'T VOTE!"

Yes- democrats want every person to vote because they know most people don't pay attention and the idiots among us will vote on emotions and popularity and not real issues. Pathetic and disgusting.

487 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:52:15am

re: #482 rancher

Oh Hell no,,i cant stand kids,,LOL..no,,just wondering if the consitution was still being taught in schools?
But from the inteligance of the kids today,,i think not.
BTW,,I love my 1 year old grandaughter,,she's a keeper.

488 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:53:31am

re: #474 Oldasdirt

I was just wondering if they still taught the constitution in public schools?

Well, they pay lip service to teaching the Constitution in public schools. The real kickers come in when you start talking about the bill of rights - then you get this:

1. Freedom of Speech - but only if it is politically correct. Our school children are taught from the earliest days that speech that someone might find offensive are not acceptable speech. The strong message driven home is that we have freedom of speech only if it is "acceptable" speech.

2. Freedom from Unlawful Search and Seizure - in most school systems these days school children are searched by the armed guards on the door, metal detectors and/or are required to carry clear back-packs.

3. No Tolerance policies for a whole variety of things - starting with Freedom of Speech. The message being hammered home is that you will toe the line and OBEY. This one has led to some real lunacy, like the Honors student several months from graduation, where she was expected to be Valedictorian, who packed a plastic picnic knife in her lunch box to cut up an apple, as she wears braces. Permanently booted from school under the "No Tolerance for knives."

One of the biggest reasons that I homeschool my grandchild and provide instruction for some other kids too is that I have feared for many years now that this current crop of kids will mostly come to adulthood with virtually NO idea what real freedom of speech is, what real freedom from unlawful search is, what real freedom of religion is.

And now, Obama's Children are talking about "rearranging it" and Obama himself is talking about "improving" the Constitution.

489 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:55:29am

re: #482 rancher

Then you are a teacher.

Yup. And I have taught at the college level too. I wouldn't want to leave the impression that I have ever been a professor though - I haven't. Or a member of the NEA with a teaching certificate.

490 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:55:31am
491 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:55:48am

Greeeaaat.. My wonderful Gov. is on now.

/excuse me while I barf.

492 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:56:09am

re: #485 taxfreekiller

Who at this moment in time owns the bad liar loan packages with the fake ID and stated income ACORN borrowers in default.

Now, banks all over hold these "toxic" loans. After today, you probably will own them. Now someone tell me how we will get our money back if we can't foreclose on these deadbeats? And mark my words no politician is going to kick anyone out of their homes.

493 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:57:44am

re: #487 Oldasdirt

Oh Hell no,,i cant stand kids,,LOL..no,,just wondering if the consitution was still being taught in schools?
But from the inteligance of the kids today,,i think not.
BTW,,I love my 1 year old grandaughter,,she's a keeper.

One of the families that we spend a lot of time with has been having a bit of a financial crunch. Dad was pretty frustrated and insisted that Mom go out and find a job (never mind that the cost of travel, etc. would add up to more than she could make) until his company sent him to a job fair in Maine, where they administered a simple, 3 problem math test to the applicants as a screening tool. He called his wife from the Job Fair to tell her not to take the job and not to even think about sending the kids back to public school.

494 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:57:50am

Why are they sucking up to Rendell?

495 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:58:16am

They=Fox.

496 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 4:58:38am

re: #494 MandyManners

Why are they sucking up to Rendell?

Because they don't know better. Rendell is a piece of garbage.

497 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:01:20am

The TV is going in the other room and I just heard "...I'm John McCain and I approved of this message" on the local NBC affiliate. This would be the first time I've heard those words since the convention. I'm taking this as a good sign that the campaign may be finally thinking of doing something. About time. The ad, whatever it was, was wasted in MD and DC (and followed maybe two dozen from the Beast, this morning alone), but this signal also covers NoVA, where we need every single vote we can get. Hope! Change!

498 sparrowlake  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:02:07am

re: #486 Sharmuta

In 2000 I was listening to a music station on election day when the DJ took a call from a lady who hadn't made up her mind who to vote for yet so the DJ told her to just flip a coin. I yelled at my radio, "Then DON'T VOTE!"

Yes- democrats want every person to vote because they know most people don't pay attention and the idiots among us will vote on emotions and popularity and not real issues. Pathetic and disgusting.

Idiot America - wake up!

499 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:02:51am

re: #494 MandyManners

Why are they sucking up to Rendell?


It looks like the new and improved FNC.

I wonder if Rupert put out the word to be nicer to Dems. to get them to come on the Channel?

Or I could go all conspiracy theory on your ass, and says Soros' must have ahem unflattering pictures of Murdoch and is blackmailing him.

500 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:03:08am

re: #496 Wyatt Earp

Because they don't know better. Rendell is a piece of garbage.

That's the state that releases violent offenders, five who went on to kill cops.

501 yochanan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:05:05am

ANYONE want to take a lizard bet the chicago fubs will be ONE AND OUT

502 ggt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:05:18am

Good Morning Lizards! It's drive-by post to give the weather report (very coolish in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland) and to wish you-all a Great Day!

503 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:05:54am

re: #499 x-wing

It looks like the new and improved FNC.

I wonder if Rupert put out the word to be nicer to Dems. to get them to come on the Channel?

Or I could go all conspiracy theory on your ass, and says Soros' must have ahem unflattering pictures of Murdoch and is blackmailing him.

I'm ready to blame everything on Soros. He is evil.

504 yesandno  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:06:27am

Just thinking:
Unless Palin has a health issue, she will not be removed from the ticket regardless of her performance tonight. McCain is a loyal person if nothing else, so the people on the left and on the right thinking that is a good move, better get over it. It wouldn't be a good move at all in my opinion. No matter what, she adds to the ticket. The values she holds are more important to many then the Supreme Court decision that she couldn't bring to mind. If you are a decision maker...and I believe she is...then when it comes time, you will know a good decision from a bad one because one is with your values and the other is not.
*********

Not voting for anyone is always voting for the majority. Sorry,but that is how it is in reality. Politics is the art of compromise, plain and simple. You don't get the privilege of getting a candidate who is like you on all things every time around. Often you have to choose between two things that leave a bad taste in your mouth. But you stay on the right side of the issue (no pun intended).

I am not voting for McCain....I am voting for the Supreme Court. Whatever damage you might think McCain can make in 4 years, the wrong people on the court can destroy a generation. Add to that a Dem. congress and a Dem. Pres. and there will be no coming back.

We don't have the privilege of purity of thought because we have failed in the past to recognize the real danger the incremental creep of the nanny state, the government that controls all. We have failed to reign in the concept of equality of result that will do away with the Constitution of these United States and substitute World Court decisions as right not only for America but for everywhere in the world. We must hold the line here, now, and hope for another day to push the bastards back fully. If we don't hold the line here and now, we are going to fall off the precipice behind us, never to be heard from again.

We face an enemy we have forgotten in this economic crisis. It is anti-Americanism at every turn. Be it terror at home and abroad, economic terror, racial terror, or just the terror of fear itself. We must stop looking to others to define us. Rather we must define ourselves. We are fighting a destructive attitude held by much of the world. It is the one where as Americans we are blamed for all the ills of the world, but like the hen-pecked husband, still expected to pay all the bills, regardless of the frivolous nature of the spender and keep our mouths shut at the same time.

One election cannot fix all the wrongs. But one election is all we have left at this point in time.

505 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:08:36am

re: #500 MandyManners

That's the state that releases violent offenders, five who went on to kill cops.


Aw, but fat Eddie is on it. He hired one of his buddies (college Prof. from Philly) to study early release of felons for him....two days ago.

I guess the first four dead officers were used to push his one gun a month bullshit.

506 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:09:06am

We had all better start calling our Reps again folks. And emailing them.

507 sparrowlake  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:10:57am

re: #503 MandyManners

I'm ready to blame everything on Soros. He is evil.

He sold the world.

508 Oldasdirt  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:11:26am

re: #506 galloping granny

We had all better start calling our Reps again folks. And emailing them.

Gathering in front of there offices with signs might be advisable to.
In large groups.

509 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:12:01am

re: #500 MandyManners

That's the state that releases violent offenders, five who went on to kill cops.

I know. We just buried one of them. He also balanced the Philly budget on our backs, by cutting police salaries by $7,000 in one year. This a few weeks after he promised we would be the highest paid police department in the country.

510 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:12:20am

More proof polls are bullshit:

Obama lead over McCain narrows in ABC/Post poll

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama leads Republican John McCain by 50 percent to 46 percent among likely voters in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, down from a 9-point edge a week earlier.

The telephone poll of 1,070 registered voters and 916 likely voters had a 3-point margin of error.

Wonder what the numbers were for just the likely voters- I think they watered this down with the registered voters. But again- the polling is not as dire as other recent polls would like us to think. They all stink- stick with Zogby, who has 95% accuracy.

511 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:13:26am

re: #509 Wyatt Earp

I know. We just buried one of them. He also balanced the Philly budget on our backs, by cutting police salaries by $7,000 in one year. This a few weeks after he promised we would be the highest paid police department in the country.

I'm surprised you all did not resign en masse.

512 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:14:27am

Speaking of idiots have any of you seen the movie Idiocracy? Scariest movie I've ever seen.

513 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:15:06am

Maureen Dowd Kicked Off McCain's Campaign Plane

/hat tip- seekeroftruth

Who says McCain's not getting tough with these people?

514 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:15:45am

re: #512 rancher

Speaking of idiots have any of you seen the movie Idiocracy? Scariest movie I've ever seen.

It sounds funny, so I take it that you find it scary because it is pretty close to true?

515 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:18:09am

re: #511 galloping granny

I'm surprised you all did not resign en masse.

I would have, but it was the year I was hired, and thanks to Bill Clinton, the job market sucked.

517 Macker  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:20:56am

Good morning Lizards. If you thought the video of the little kids singing Barack Obama's praises was bad...wait till you see this video where middle school kids chant, not sing.
Here's the description:
"Urban middle school students uniquely display their understanding of the democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama's health care reform plan. The chant "omega, alpha" symbolizes the end of the old way of thinking, and the newness in their ideas and thoughts. Barack Obama has invoked thought even in the minds of the youth."

DAMN this is frakkin' creepy!

518 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:23:05am

re: #517 Macker

Good morning Lizards. If you thought the video of the little kids singing Barack Obama's praises was bad...wait till you see this video where middle school kids chant, not sing.
Here's the description:

"Urban middle school students uniquely display their understanding of the democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama's health care reform plan. The chant "omega, alpha" symbolizes the end of the old way of thinking, and the newness in their ideas and thoughts. Barack Obama has invoked thought even in the minds of the youth."

DAMN this is frakkin' creepy!

Barack Obama has not invoked "thought" in the minds of the youth. If all they can do is chant a cutesy slogan, he has simply invoked a blind worship. It is indeed a frakkin' creepy thing.

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:23:46am

No time to play, darn it. See you guys tonight at the debates. 9EST.

520 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:24:30am
521 opnion  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:26:43am

re: #513 Sharmuta

Maureen Dowd Kicked Off McCain's Campaign Plane

/hat tip- seekeroftruth

Who says McCain's not getting tough with these people?

Good Morning Sharmuta & Lizards everywhere.
Than you for posting that. Maureen Dowd is such an ass & had this coming.
She is the person that you dread being seated next to a plane.
Bet that she was in fear for her life with all of the bitter, clingy PA types

522 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:27:12am

re: #517 Macker

Good morning Lizards. If you thought the video of the little kids singing Barack Obama's praises was bad...wait till you see this video where middle school kids chant, not sing.
Here's the description:
"Urban middle school students uniquely display their understanding of the democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama's health care reform plan. The chant "omega, alpha" symbolizes the end of the old way of thinking, and the newness in their ideas and thoughts. Barack Obama has invoked thought even in the minds of the youth."

DAMN this is frakkin' creepy!

Notice the combat boots, fatigues and uniform T-shirts. Essentially the same kind of paramilitary uniform that Hezballah and Hamas wear. And the marching. How fast can you type Hitler Youth?

523 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:27:51am

Good morning, all. Got this in an e-mail:

Absolutely amazing!
Beauty of Mathematics !

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 +10= 1111111111

9 x 9 + 7 = 88
98 x 9 + 6 = 888
987 x 9 + 5 = 8888
9876 x 9 + 4 = 88888
98765 x 9 + 3 = 888888
987654 x 9 + 2 = 8888888
9876543 x 9 + 1 = 88888888
98765432 x 9 + 0 = 888888888

Brilliant, isn't it?

And look at this symmetry:

1 x 1 = 1
11 x 11 = 121
111 x 111 = 12321
1111 x 1111 = 1234321
11111 x 11111 = 123454321
111111 x 111111 = 12345654321
1111111 x 1111111 = 1234567654321
11111111 x 11111111 = 123456787654321
111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321

Now, take a look at this...


101%

>From a strictly mathematical viewpoint:

What Equals 100%?
What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?

Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%?

We have all been in situations where someone wants you to
GIVE OVER 100%.

How about ACHIEVING 101%?


What equals 100% in life?


Here's a little mathematical formula that might help
answer these questions:


If:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

Is represented as:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.


If:


H-A-R-D-W-O- R- K

8+1+18+4+23+ 15+18+11 = 98%


And:

K-N-O-W-L-E- D-G-E

11+14+15+23+ 12+5+4+7+ 5 = 96%


But:

A-T-T-I-T-U- D-E

1+20+20+9+20+ 21+4+5 = 100%

THEN, look how far the love of God will take you:

L-O-V-E-O-F- G-O-D

12+15+22+5+15+ 6+7+15+4 = 101%


Therefore, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that:

While Hard Work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will
get you there, It's the Love of God that will put you over the top!

It's up to you if you share this with your friends & loved ones just
the way I did..

Have a nice day & God bless

524 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:28:40am

re: #514 galloping granny

Your average intelligent couple plan their families, usually waiting to have kids until they can afford them, and then have only two to four kids. Your ignorant masses breed like mice and so eventually, having no natural predators left, dumb down the population. Look at what a fifth grader had to know back in the 1800s and compare it to today. I really think this is happening.

Especially after watching spell check replace ten words in that short paragraph.

525 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:29:03am

btw, the "Absolutely Amazing! Beauty of Mathematics!" was part of the e-mail and should have been included in the quotes... (doh!)

526 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:29:14am

McCain on Fox right now...why aren't they asking him about the pork in this bill?
I woke up with a headache this morning. Even he is pissing me off.

527 opnion  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:29:30am

On FNC, McCAin just said that he likes being the underdog. Riiiiight

528 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:31:49am

re: #523 christheprofessor

now my head really hurts! :-(
morning {CtP}

529 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:33:41am

re: #528 Beach Lover

now my head really hurts! :-(
morning {CtP}

Good morning, {Beach}.

I'll be so glad when this election is over... I can't flip on the TV or even go to a non-political website without seeing a freaking Obama ad. I think that is why he has climbed in the polls. I surely hope that McCain is holding his fire until mid October or so, or we are screwed...

530 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:35:01am

re: #521 opnion

Good Morning Sharmuta & Lizards everywhere.
Than you for posting that. Maureen Dowd is such an ass & had this coming.
She is the person that you dread being seated next to a plane.
Bet that she was in fear for her life with all of the bitter, clingy PA types

Good morning, and you're welcome but also thank seekeroftruth who put it up in the spinoffs where I happened to find it. I thought that with some of the McCain resentment going around right now it might be nice for some Lizards to know he is getting tough. I believe he will fight for the Presidency. He's only wanted it for how long? Here's his chance, and I don't think he wants to blow it- he won't be able to go again, so it's now or never for the MacDaddy.

531 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:39:26am

8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, Kansas - 1895

First two tests:

Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.


Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $.20 per inch?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10.Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

532 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:40:37am

LOL, Ann Coulters latest column " Bidens Secret Service Code Name: Assassination Insurance"

533 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:40:54am

re: #8 suboptimal

The only time I've ever commented on fark threads was to call the moderators chickenshit for deleting a photoshop entry entitled "John Kerry's Bukake Dream". Darned if they didn't delete that too.

Free speech is a one way street for the leftoid fasco-nazi.

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:43:34am

re: #532 x-wing

LOL, Ann Coulters latest column " Bidens Secret Service Code Name: Assassination Insurance"

Old Dan Quayle joke.

Secret Service has been instructed that if something happens to Bush, Sr.? Shoot Quayle.

535 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:44:06am

re: #529 christheprofessor

Good morning, {Beach}.

I'll be so glad when this election is over... I can't flip on the TV or even go to a non-political website without seeing a freaking Obama ad. I think that is why he has climbed in the polls. I surely hope that McCain is holding his fire until mid October or so, or we are screwed...


ya know, Ive been thinking this for over years. Starting with Bush. We all had hopes is was going to respond to the outrage du jour, and was just waiting for ...whatever. McCain has had enough time to get into this and show what he's got. He is supposed to be such a maverick, but I'm not seeing any of it. Just now, he acts to me like someone who thinks he's the better candidate, but has an "oh well, the voters will decide". and all the time thinking..He will still be Senator and what's to lose!
Everyone is expecting Palin to be the saving grace in this! What?! Where is his leadership?!
all that said...he is a thousand time better than the one to be nameless. I despise him more everyday on so many levels.

536 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:44:28am

re: #531 rancher

I just flunked school 70 years before I was born.

/did I tell you how yummy this window tastes :>}

537 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:45:07am

re: #531 rancher

Snopes

538 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:46:24am

Good morining all y'all - from a COLD (44 degrees, going up to 70 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

539 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:47:44am

re: #538 realwest

Good morining all y'all - from a COLD (44 degrees, going up to 70 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?


Good Morning Realwest..Doing great today..Still sucking down Coffee..

540 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:48:17am

re: #538 realwest

Good morining all y'all - from a COLD (44 degrees, going up to 70 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Half toasted, and it's chiily here too.

541 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:48:51am

Good morning folks.

Expect the markets to open lower this morning. S&P futures were down 14 points overnight based on high unemployment figures coming out for September.

There's just a lot of bad economic news out there right now. I think, assuming the total melt down can be averted, we are still looking at another year to 18 months of bad economic performance.

Time to load up your 401K with bargains, but don't look for any significant returns for quite a while yet.

542 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:49:08am

re: #535 Beach Lover

I hear ya. It's aggravated me for years how conservatives will just allow themselves to be hammered and lied about without so much as a whimper (or at most a whimper) in response. Meanwhile, liberals go ballistic when the truth is told about them.

It is really getting old. I'm getting tired of supporting and defending conservatives who won't defend themselves.

543 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:49:38am

By the way, I think Dempster of the Cubs just walked another Dodger.

544 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:49:41am

Morning RW & all other Lizardia!

Doing well today, a new pair of running shoes with some major appliances as arch support seems to have eliminated the nagging back and hip pain I've been dealing with for months.

Happy Day.

Now, Mac, unleash Sara and get to work winning back this country for the good guys! Damnit!

545 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:50:13am

Good morning, Lizzards!

McCain coming up on MSNBC...

546 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:50:30am

re: #538 realwest

Good morining all y'all - from a COLD (44 degrees, going up to 70 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

grumpy :- {
morning {real}

547 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:50:31am

re: #539 HoosierHoops
and
re: #540 x-wing

Good morning to each of you! I'm glad to hear Hoops is doing well, and as for x-wing - what does half toasted mean and where is the here that's also cold?!

548 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:50:54am

re: #538 realwest

It's 40 degrees here.

549 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:51:37am

re: #548 3 wood

It's 40 degrees here.

I got 42... move to the eastern, sunny, side of the state :-)

550 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:51:58am

re: #543 3 wood

By the way, I think Dempster of the Cubs just walked another Dodger.

Heh.

That "heh"ed, I was really hoping to see an all-Chicago Series...

551 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:52:19am

re: #548 3 wood

It's 40 degrees here.

40 degrees here, too! Brrrrr!

552 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #543 3 wood
Good morning my friend - I think you're right - yep, Dempster just walked another one! LOL!
How are you doing today?

553 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:52:35am

re: #540 x-wing

Half toasted, and it's chiily here too.

wow! This is a drinking thread already!
good morning xracer

{lori} what's going on today?

554 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:53:20am

I would expect a half point interest rate cut by the Fed's shortly.

555 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:53:36am

re: #547 realwest

and
re: #540 x-wing

Good morning to each of you! I'm glad to hear Hoops is doing well, and as for x-wing - what does half toasted mean and where is the here that's also cold?!

Been up all nite keeping everyone company here (while drinking) and it's sweatshirt weather right now in York Pa.

BTW, you gonna try the MyIE2 I told you about last nite?

556 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:53:52am

re: #546 Beach Lover
Good morning Beach Lover! Why are you so grumpy?
Y'all can still go to the beach - ya just gotta bundle up as if you were visiting Sarah Palin in December to help her pack for her move to Washington, D.C.!
;')

557 rancher  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:54:41am

re: #537 christheprofessor
You scared me, I thought the test was bogus, not the premise. The Snopes article does have a good point, just because we can't pass a test that we haven't studied for or even been taught the material doesn't mean we are less intelligent. Who here knows what "tare" is? (I do only because we used it on the ranch.) Nevertheless by my own observations today's school curriculum is not as difficult as when I was in school.

558 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:54:58am

re: #21 Sharmuta

The world has gone mad. We have a rising tide of fascism in europe and 0bama in America. We are being sold lies everyday on tv and in the papers. And our elected officials do nothing but play politics with our lives and our futures. What are decent, hard working, individual rights loving people to do?

Good morning Sharm.

you said it.

559 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:55:12am

re: #546 Beach Lover

One of my favorite hangout is a Tex-Mex bar/eatery. They have beoucoup beaucoup boo-koo buttloads of hot sauces. One of them is a UNC hot sauce. I checked the ingredients, and apparently what makes it UNC hot sauce is an extra measure of arrogance...

/sorry

560 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:55:20am

re: #553 HoosierHoops
Hey, {hh}! Just this & that while I wait for The Big Event tonight. And you?

561 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:55:46am

re: #542 christheprofessor

I hear ya. It's aggravated me for years how conservatives will just allow themselves to be hammered and lied about without so much as a whimper (or at most a whimper) in response. Meanwhile, liberals go ballistic when the truth is told about them.

It is really getting old. I'm getting tired of supporting and defending conservatives who won't defend themselves.


Amen to that!
And can someone tell me why is this new bill that passed the Senate supposed to be so much better than the one Bush handed over last week? and another question....what started this whole thing? I forget. And was the timing of it with the election of any significance?
and don't yell at me...remember I have a headache.

562 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:57:17am

re: #538 realwest

Hey, {realwest}! 70 degrees sounds good!

563 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:57:22am

re: #560 lori lane

Hey, {hh}! Just this & that while I wait for The Big Event tonight. And you?

Sucking down coffee.. Going to be watching the movie Ironman at 10:30 this morning.

564 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:57:46am

re: #555 x-wing
Not yet! But thanks for the opening!

Does anyone out here run FireFox 2 ? I got sick and tired of always having problems with my Maxthon and so downloaded FF 2 - but it look wierd for a browser -no real tool line, and it would appear that you've gotta put everything into a search in Google!
Plus I have NO IDEA of how to swing my favorites from this Maxthon (which is according to Charles, just a shell over IE)! And no I didn't download speeddial - and I want to change my default browser to FF 2 as soon as I get a real tool bar and transfer my favorites to bookmarks!
Any and all help will be appreciated.

565 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:57:54am

re: #552 realwest

How are you doing today?

Doing fine thank you. I have a lot of chores to do around the house, yard work and such. A neighbor was throwing out a lot of lumber so I picked it up and will cut it up with my electric saw for our fire place.

Then later today the Mrs. and I are playing music at several different nursing homes.

Full day on tap.

How is your dental situation doing? You sleeping better?

566 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:58:15am

re: #563 HoosierHoops

Sucking down coffee.. Going to be watching the movie Ironman at 10:30 this morning.

Watching a movie this morning?

567 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:59:07am

re: #557 rancher

Nevertheless by my own observations today's school curriculum is not as difficult as when I was in school.

No doubt. I see college students who can barely string together a sentence, then wonder why they got a D or an F in my class.

I've said for years that any time a college student needs remedial education (e.g., writing, math) to get them up to the minimal abilities they need for college, the cost of said remedial education should be charged back to the high school that graduated them. But it will never happen.

568 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:59:36am

Poor Gwen I. Now that everyone now knows she is in the tank for Obama..she is going to have to appear to be Fair in her questions..
She never even told the commission she was writing a book..
Ethics? Bah!

569 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:59:48am

re: #538 realwest

Good morning, Realwest! Slept with all the windows closed last night, and chilly and bright up here. Convinced Madame Iulius not to turn on the heat - we'll need to save that money to pay for the Senate vote. Hope you're doing well this morning.

570 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 5:59:59am

re: #550 christheprofessor

That "heh"ed, I was really hoping to see an all-Chicago Series...

The odds of that got real small last night. Only 4 teams out of 28 in recent years have come back from a 1st game loss in a 5 game series to win the playoff.

571 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:00:06am

re: #561 Beach Lover

Amen to that!
And can someone tell me why is this new bill that passed the Senate supposed to be so much better than the one Bush handed over last week? and another question....what started this whole thing? I forget. And was the timing of it with the election of any significance?
and don't yell at me...remember I have a headache.


Beats me. Uless by better you mean bigger.

Pres. Bush gave them 3 pages and now it's 450 pages.

/ avoid headache, keep drinking

572 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:00:07am

re: #562 lori lane
Hi there {lori lane} it wouldn't be bad, but we're close to 30 degrees COLDER than that and I am COLD!
Woke up in the middle of the night cause both of my legs were aching, as were my feet - first time every happend to me and I think it was the cold (it was 42 degrees at the time!)!

573 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:01:13am

re: #568 HoosierHoops

Poor Gwen I. She never even told the commission she was writing a book. Ethics? Bah!


I honestly cannot believe that she isn't recusing herself from the debate. Pretty amazing that she's getting away with it.

574 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:01:49am

Is it fair to regard Maureen Dowd as a Helen Thomas in the making?

575 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:01:55am

re: #556 realwest

Good morning Beach Lover! Why are you so grumpy?
Y'all can still go to the beach - ya just gotta bundle up as if you were visiting Sarah Palin in December to help her pack for her move to Washington, D.C.!
;')


Now there is a pleasant thought! thanks! I did go to the beach a few weeks ago...over by CtP. and BTW, Chris...what's with all those little gnats (not no see ums...too big)? And the flies were biting on the beach...just not a good time on the beach this time. No breeze to keep them off. But...all that said "a bad day at the beach is better than a good day working, any day"!

576 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:02:05am

Can we get a thread on this?
Charles, could you investigate this?

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

Snip:

FUNNY MONEY
An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst's requests have largely been ignored. "I can't get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it."

577 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:02:11am

re: #564 realwest

Not yet! But thanks for the opening!

Does anyone out here run FireFox 2 ? I got sick and tired of always having problems with my Maxthon and so downloaded FF 2 - but it look wierd for a browser -no real tool line, and it would appear that you've gotta put everything into a search in Google!
Plus I have NO IDEA of how to swing my favorites from this Maxthon (which is according to Charles, just a shell over IE)! And no I didn't download speeddial - and I want to change my default browser to FF 2 as soon as I get a real tool bar and transfer my favorites to bookmarks!
Any and all help will be appreciated.

I did run Firefox2 - it had problems. I got Firefox 3. Problems are gone. :)

578 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:02:11am

re: #572 realwest

Hi there {lori lane} it wouldn't be bad, but we're close to 30 degrees COLDER than that and I am COLD!
Woke up in the middle of the night cause both of my legs were aching, as were my feet - first time every happend to me and I think it was the cold (it was 42 degrees at the time!)!


Do you ever wear socks to bed? That might help! I could knit some for you. :)

579 phoenixgirl  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:02:19am

it's a freezing 78 here at 6am getting up to a cool 100 this afternoon

580 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:02:45am

re: #566 lori lane

Watching a movie this morning?

Yup..crazy huh..We have an auditorium at work and we play movies in there all the time..Eat popcorn..suck down cokes and go back to work..
It's an employee perk thing...

581 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:02:57am

re: #571 x-wing

Beats me. Uless by better you mean bigger.

Pres. Bush gave them 3 pages and now it's 450 pages.

/ avoid headache, keep drinking

And virtually everyone is admitting that NO ONE has even had time to read this thing!

582 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:03:58am

re: #570 3 wood

The odds of that got real small last night. Only 4 teams out of 28 in recent years have come back from a 1st game loss in a 5 game series to win the playoff.

Yup. It would not surprise me if neither Chicago team was in there...

583 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:04:03am

re: #565 3 wood well I wish you and Mrs. 3 wood a lot of fun at those gigs y'all are playing at and as for my teeth, I don't know!
I'm too damned COLD to open my mouth, LOL!
And I suffered sleepus interuptus cause of the cold (I think that's what caused it) both of my legs were aching in pain - from what I don't know - but first night of COLD temps and first night of aching legs, seems to me to indicate a correlation there!

BTW, if y'all have enough firewood leftover and you'd enjoy a nice cup of hot, really delicious home brewed coffee - from beans - come on down!

584 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:04:12am

re: #580 HoosierHoops

Yup..crazy huh..We have an auditorium at work and we play movies in there all the time..Eat popcorn..suck down cokes and go back to work. It's an employee perk thing...

Hmmm... where in the heck do you work? lol Request American Carol when it comes out on DVD. :)

585 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:04:31am

re: #576 Typicalwhitey

If Obama wins, keep after those stories and push them to fruition.

Do the same thing if he loses.

The guy is a rock covering a vast pile of roaches.

586 yesandno  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:05:10am

re: #574 godfrey

Is it fair to regard Maureen Dowd as a Helen Thomas in the making?

The bitter and old part is already in the works.

Now for hag....

587 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:05:21am

re: #575 Beach Lover

Now there is a pleasant thought! thanks! I did go to the beach a few weeks ago...over by CtP. and BTW, Chris...what's with all those little gnats (not no see ums...too big)? And the flies were biting on the beach...just not a good time on the beach this time. No breeze to keep them off. But...all that said "a bad day at the beach is better than a good day working, any day"!

I think it's the weather. The 'skeeters were worse this year than I've seen them in years as well... Got pretty cool last night, I hope that puts the kibosh on them...

588 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:05:51am

re: #585 godfrey

If Obama wins, keep after those stories and push them to fruition.

Do the same thing if he loses.

The guy is a rock covering a vast pile of roaches.

This needs to be investigated now!
I am sending it to Drudge etc

589 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:06:15am

re: #548 3 wood
Well sure, it's the second day of October - 40 degrees is normal for where you live; down here it's like mid-winter or something - and yesterday the low was 64 and the high was in the love 80's!

590 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:06:47am

re: #584 lori lane

Hmmm... where in the heck do you work? lol Request American Carol when it comes out on DVD. :)

I work for a wonderful company..I need more coffee..back in a minute.

591 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:06:47am

re: #579 phoenixgirl

it's a freezing 78 here at 6am getting up to a cool 100 this afternoon

Poor baby :>} Tell me it's a dry heat.

592 Beach Lover  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:07:37am

re: #571 x-wing

Beats me. Uless by better you mean bigger.

Pres. Bush gave them 3 pages and now it's 450 pages.

/ avoid headache, keep drinking


heh...thanks, but have to go to a funeral in a bit. If fact...have to go now...but I'll check back later for any answers to my question ^

593 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:08:16am

Unbelievable.

They still don't get the fact that he was freaking tortured (back when torture was real).

McCain doesn't talk with his hands

594 arethusa  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:08:19am

Obama wants illegal immigrants to get community college aid, paid for by taxpayers, of course.

What's next? Drivers' licenses? I assume they're already voting for him, probably in OH.

595 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:09:09am

What in the hell?

[Barney] Frank has not hidden the fact that he was in a romantic relationship with a former executive for Fannie Mae. Frank now chairs the Financial Services Committee and was one of several longtime Democrat members who sought assurances from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi that no action would be taken on Fan or Fred investigations until after the election in November.

9%, hell. My Congress Approval Rating doesn't even register.

That place is a cesspool.

596 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:09:22am

And on the topic of debates, I'm fantasizing on what the 1968 VP debate would have been like, had it occurred: Spiro Agnew, Gen. Curtis LeMay and poor Ed Muskie. Now, that's entertainment. Very little light would have been generated, but lots of heat.

597 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:10:31am

re: #569 Pullus Iulius
Morning back atcha! Yeah we haven't turned on the heat just yet either for the same reason!
Other than being COLD I'm ok, how's about yourownself?

598 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:11:13am

Democracy Alliance memo details Dem plan to "educate the idiots" and target minorities


In a confidential internal memorandum obtained by Face The State (PDF), the Colorado Democracy Alliance outlines a roster of "operatives" who worked for Democratic victory in the 2006 general election. The document outlines specific tasks for various members of the state's liberal infrastructure, including a campaign to "educate the idiots," assigned to the state's AFL-CIO union. Among the operation's intended targets: "minorities, GED's, drop-outs."

Individuals named in the document, marked "CONFIDENTIAL," "for internal use only," and "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE," are high-level elected Democrats including House Speaker Andrew Romanoff, former Senate President Joan Fitz-Gerald, as well as Gov. Bill Ritter's press aide and former campaign chief Evan Dreyer. All are specially marked as "off-the-record or covert."

Dem's R...E...S...P...E...C...T just a little bit!

599 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:11:49am

The corrupt and out of touch teachers union (where the motto is: teachers union first - children last) is handing out thousands of Obama buttons.

600 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:12:30am

re: #594 arethusa

Obama wants illegal immigrants to get community college aid, paid for by taxpayers, of course.

What's next? Drivers' licenses? I assume they're already voting for him, probably in OH.

Not just that, flying lessons and chemical engineering degrees.

/purple smoke

601 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:13:42am

re: #599 FrogMarch

The corrupt and out of touch teachers union (where the motto is: teachers union first - children last) is handing out thousands of Obama buttons.

teachers union = soviet union

602 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:13:47am

re: #576 Typicalwhitey
Good morning Typcialwhitey - hope you're well this morning!
BTW, I just "reported" your comment to Charles and am hoping for a thread myself! Wow, $200 million bucks - if Obama had to cough it all up at least we wouldn't be hearing from him again except in the debates and those free ads he gets (by which I mean, of course, all the favorable MSM questions and articles)!

603 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:14:31am

Good morning, Lizards. It's 62 degrees on the beach in Corpus Christi heading to 85.

604 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:15:22am

re: #578 lori lane
Uh, sox? I don't really wear anything except the sheet and blanket and wool makes me itch - can y'all knit me a pair of heavy cotton sox?! Those I'd a worn last night, but didn't want to get outta bed to get a cold pair and put 'em on!

605 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:16:41am

Now here's a bit of good news, finally

Pentagon approves sale of stealth bomber to Israel

The Pentagon has approved the sale to Israel of 25 F-35 stealth-enabled joint strike fighters to the Israeli Air Force. The deal is valued at $15.2 billion and is subject to congressional approval.

The deal, valued at $15.2 billion, includes an option to buy 50 additional bombers in the coming years. Each plane is estimated to cost between $70 million and $80m. and will be equipped with F-135 or F-136 engines by the IAF.

606 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:16:54am

re: #597 realwest

Morning back atcha! Yeah we haven't turned on the heat just yet either for the same reason!

Morning realwest,
Gore global warming here at the foot of grandfather mt.
43 degrees.

In Charlotte NC Wachovia bank is forced to sell.
Co rape management ran it into the ground.
BUT.

Ben Jenkins, president of the general bank, with the company since 1971: Gets $17.6 million, including $13.3 million in severance and a $3.7 million bonus.

Steve Cummings, head of corporate and investment banking, with the company since 1998: $20.3 million, including $14.3 million in severance and a $4.25 million bonus.

David Carroll, head of capital management, with the company since 1981: $19.1 million, including $14.1 million in severance and a $4 million bonus.

607 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:17:25am

re: #604 realwest

Uh, sox? I don't really wear anything except the sheet and blanket and wool makes me itch - can y'all knit me a pair of heavy cotton sox?! Those I'd a worn last night, but didn't want to get outta bed to get a cold pair and put 'em on!

Good morning, RW...sounds like your feet got a little cold last night. How are you today my friend?

608 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:17:27am

re: #604 realwest

Uh, sox? I don't really wear anything except the sheet and blanket and wool makes me itch - can y'all knit me a pair of heavy cotton sox?! Those I'd a worn last night, but didn't want to get outta bed to get a cold pair and put 'em on!

What size? :)

609 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:17:30am

re: #595 godfrey
Good morning godfrey - I thought Franks chaired the House Banking committee? No?

610 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:17:32am

Biden doesn't understand the constitution.
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

611 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:17:59am

re: #595 godfrey

Along the who you know lines.

Andea Mitchell has been taken some heat for reporting on the economy because she is married to Greenspan. but according to yesterdays New York Post, David Gregories wife is an exec. of something or another at Fannie Mae.

The plot thickens.

612 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:18:03am

Morning all! I see two things that irk me regarding this bailout mess...

1. If I were in the House my vote would be 'No'... Why? Spending...

2. The Dems are going to use this against McCain. Why? McCain talks about never voting for a bill with Pork, right? Well guess what... He just did... McCain lied, Treasury died...

You can bet they will fry McCain over his 'flip flop' on Pork Barrel bills...

613 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:18:50am

re: #602 realwest

Good morning Typcialwhitey - hope you're well this morning!
BTW, I just "reported" your comment to Charles and am hoping for a thread myself! Wow, $200 million bucks - if Obama had to cough it all up at least we wouldn't be hearing from him again except in the debates and those free ads he gets (by which I mean, of course, all the favorable MSM questions and articles)!

Not to use tfk's soapbox, but nothing will happen because once Sen. Obama gets away with it, trump will be broken and the other guys will have their hands out across the waters too.

Money money money money. It's about the money.

614 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:18:54am

The SEC extended the flawed short sale ban.

SEC extends short sale ban to give Congress time

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. securities regulators on Wednesday extended an emergency ban on short selling in more than 950 financial stocks to give Congress time to finish legislation to rescue the financial system.

The Securities and Exchange Commission said the ban would expire three business days after a $700 billion federal bailout bill was enacted, but would not last beyond October 17.

The SEC emergency rules are part of a series of government measures designed to restore confidence in battered markets and the ailing financial system, which has been rocked by bank failures and fears of economic recession.

The tightening on "naked short sales" was extended too:

The SEC also said it extended a curb on abusive short selling rules, including one that makes it fraudulent for short sellers to deceive broker-dealers about their intention or ability to deliver securities in time for settlement. The rules, which crackdown on naked short selling, are expected to be permanent by the time the emergency order expires October 17.

Problem is, the same loop holes are still there:

Equity and option market makers will continue to be exempt from the short sale ban on financial stocks, in order to ensure liquidity in the markets.

Because of this exemption, the institutional investors will stand on the sidelines with regard to these stocks. So financial sector stocks will be underpriced for as long as this ban is in effect with these exemptions.

At this point, they might as well just remove the ban and reinstate the uptick rule so you can't close out a short position until prices rise at some point.

I'm also hearing that after the disasterous game playing by the House (especially Pelosi and Frank) over the weekend, the market has lost all trust in anything that Congress says it will do. It's "show me" now. So don;t look for any bounce in the market today over the bill passed last night by the Senate. The House has now lost all credibility in the eyes of the market.

615 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:19:13am

re: #598 jorline
Good morning jorline - hope you slept well and are feeling better!
Y'all ought to report your own comment as it might make a "fun" thread too!

616 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:19:55am

re: #598 jorline

Democracy Alliance memo details Dem plan to "educate the idiots" and target minorities


Dem's R...E...S...P...E...C...T just a little bit!

I love their plan to educate "GEDs and dropouts" - classifying them as "idiots." I know dozens of these "idiots" who dropped out and took a GED in order to go to university while everyone else is in 10th grade. Including one young man so bright that by age 16 he had completed college level Calculus 4. The United States Air Force sent him to MIT the day he turned 17. Never did graduate high school. ROFLMAO.

617 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:20:27am

re: #602 realwest

Good morning Typcialwhitey - hope you're well this morning!
BTW, I just "reported" your comment to Charles and am hoping for a thread myself! Wow, $200 million bucks - if Obama had to cough it all up at least we wouldn't be hearing from him again except in the debates and those free ads he gets (by which I mean, of course, all the favorable MSM questions and articles)!


Just sent it to the Vice Chairman of the FEC and to three of the Commissioners.
I feel like a little tiny tadpole in the ocean..........

618 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:21:45am

re: #605 Kenneth

Now here's a bit of good news, finally

Pentagon approves sale of stealth bomber to Israel

Good news, indeed!

619 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:21:50am

re: #608 lori lane

What size? :)


You know realwest is going to say extra large..It's a guy thing.
/LOL

620 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:22:13am

re: #610 FrogMarch

Biden doesn't understand the constitution.
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

That really doesn't matter because Obama has already told us that he is going to "perfect our union" which is code for rewrite our Constitution.

621 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:22:30am

re: #606 ibmkeyboard
Morning IBM! Well for the dude who's been there 38 years, that's a nice little retirement package - hope they gave him and those other crooks the severance in Wachovia stock!
How can it be only 1 degree warmer down here in the Southern Piedmont than in the Mountains?! Hey have y'all got any gasoline yet?

622 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:24:08am

re: #607 jorline
Cold! that's how I am! LOL! How are you doing today?
I asked before but didn't get an answer!

623 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:24:33am

Good morning Lizards............

624 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:25:16am

re: #609 realwest

Ah yes, Barney Frank: giving new meaning to servicing financial servicers.

625 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:25:24am

re: #618 MandyManners

yes it is, but note the catch, ..."subject to approval by congress"

let's hope the craven idiots approve it before Obama can block it

BTW, how's The Kid this morning? My son started nursery school this month. He loves it, but he insists all his friends are named "George", the girls too. He thinks this is hilarious.

626 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:25:35am

Morning real!
54 in NYC and sunny.
;)

627 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:25:36am

re: #605 Kenneth

Now here's a bit of good news, finally

Pentagon approves sale of stealth bomber to Israel

Wow, that's good news. A friend of mine is one of the lead engineers on JSF, and he told me awhile back that the Israelis had asked to buy some.

628 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:26:14am

re: #609 realwest

Same thing.

629 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:26:24am

re: #621 realwest

Morning IBM! Well for the dude who's been there 38 years, that's a nice little retirement package - hope they gave him and those other crooks the severance in Wachovia stock!
How can it be only 1 degree warmer down here in the Southern Piedmont than in the Mountains?! Hey have y'all got any gasoline yet?

running on carbon fumes.

But some stations have regular mixed with water.

I brought my son in law 5 gallons- dummy ran out-
but it had to be drained-
1 gallon was water.

Now he thinks I am the dummy.

lo

630 arethusa  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:26:30am

re: #612 tfc3rid

2. The Dems are going to use this against McCain. Why? McCain talks about never voting for a bill with Pork, right? Well guess what... He just did... McCain lied, Treasury died...

You can bet they will fry McCain over his 'flip flop' on Pork Barrel bills...

They would run into the problem that Obama and Biden voted for it, too.

631 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:26:41am

re: #619 HoosierHoops

You know what they say, "Big socks, big man."

632 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:26:45am

OBAMA BUYS OWN SATELLITE CHANNEL:

my goodness this man is frightening.

Meanwhile - here's the Obama Youth Pyongyang mix.
Painful.

633 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:26:55am

re: #627 Ward Cleaver

Morning, Ward. Israel could use a few, that's for sure.

634 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:27:44am

re: #608 lori lane
Um, 9+1/2 or 10, please! LOL!

635 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:28:10am

{realwest}
Sounds like you need to get a dog to keep your feet warm!

636 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:28:33am

re: #627 Ward Cleaver

The good thing is the Pentagon has approved the Israeli plan to install custom Israeli electronics & other components in the jets. This is to make the planes more suitable to Israel's specific needs and to keep an edge over other potential customers (ie. the Saudis).

637 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:28:51am

re: #627 Ward Cleaver

Wow, that's good news. A friend of mine is one of the lead engineers
on JSF, and he told me awhile back that the Israelis had asked to buy
some.

Bit of a misleading headline - the F-35 is not a bomber. At first I thought we were selling the Israelis B-2s!

638 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:28:52am

re: #614 3 wood
Before my browser pissed me off last night, I saw where the Asian markets were dropping pretty fast too.

639 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:28:54am

re: #620 galloping granny

That really doesn't matter because Obama has already told us that he is going to "perfect our union" which is code for rewrite our Constitution.

It also doesn't matter - because any stupid utterance out of Biden/Obama is ignored by the dominate leftist press.

and Obama will make sure the courts are stuffed with constitution-shreading progressive fascists.

640 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:29:22am

re: #634 realwest

Um, 9+1/2 or 10, please! LOL!

Hmmm, cold hand are suppose to mean a warm heart. I wonder what cold feet are suppose to mean?

641 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:29:26am

Good Morning Dorian..Coffee is on..
Hey Jorline..how are you doing today?

642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:29:28am

Hey, BTW, for my job, I travel to people's homes and design and sell kitchens...last night, for the first time; went to a house where the wife had "OCD with Hoarding".

Never seen anything like it in my life. 90 foot long house, was 6 feet deep, stem to stern in stuff.

Believe it or not? House was not filthy. No smell. Just full.

Must have had 20 dumpsters worth of crap.

Was very sad.

643 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:29:44am

re: #247 Rancher

This debate has gone on since it first looked like we would be stuck with McCain. Maybe four years of Obama would be worth sixteen years of Palin/Bush (Jeb) and a conservative congress. Without Jimmah I doubt we would have had twelve years of Reagan/Bush.

That kind of logic bought us Pelosi/Reed in the last election cycle. No thanks.

644 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:29:54am

re: #640 doriangrey

Hmmm, cold hand are suppose to mean a warm heart. I wonder what cold feet are suppose to mean?

No socks.

645 HDrepub  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:30:12am

re: #576 Typicalwhitey

Can we get a thread on this?
Charles, could you investigate this?

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

Snip:

The FEC seems to be only good at levying fines for campaign violations after the offending party has won the election by graft and corruption. Witness the record-setting $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources.
FEC apparently isn't a watchdog, but merely the policeman who arrives after the crime and draws the chalk line around the victim.

646 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:30:28am

re: #619 HoosierHoops

You know realwest is going to say extra large..It's a guy thing.
/LOL

Not true!

Researchers at University College London say there is no evidence linking a man's shoe size to the length of his penis.

After measuring the vital parts of more than 100 men, they concluded that the theory has no scientific basis.

647 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:31:03am

re: #641 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian..Coffee is on..
Hey Jorline..how are you doing today?

Ummm, Yes, coffee sounds very good this morning... thank you....

648 godfrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:31:05am

re: #643 DaddyG

Yeah, look at it this way: with McCain in the WH, we'll have a few spills here and there to clean up.

With Obama in the WH, the mess will be astronomical.

649 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:31:12am

re: #616 galloping granny
Good morning galloping granny! Hey if y'all just upgraded to FF 3, can you tell me a) how do you like it and b) how do you get your favorites from your prior browzer into FF 3 ?!

650 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:31:41am

re: #645 HDrepub

FEC apparently isn't a watchdog, but merely the policeman who arrives after the crime and draws the chalk line around the victim us.

There. Fixed that.

651 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:31:44am

re: #640 doriangrey

Hmmm, cold hand are suppose to mean a warm heart. I wonder what cold feet are suppose to mean?

No sweetheart.

652 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:03am

SHALOM LIZARDIM!

653 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:21am

re: #634 realwest

Um, 9+1/2 or 10, please! LOL!

I guess you like your socks to fit snug , real snug ;)

654 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:21am

Good morning you all.
I see that qwen iffl didn't disclose that she was writing this book to the commission. Can you say, 'in the tank'. I knew you could.

655 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:22am

re: #632 FrogMarch

OBAMA BUYS OWN SATELLITE CHANNEL:

my goodness this man is frightening.

Meanwhile - here's the Obama Youth Pyongyang mix.
Painful.

That is downright frightening!

656 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:29am

re: #652 WriterMom

MOMMY!

657 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:34am

re: #646 redstateredneck

Researchers at University College London say there is no evidence linking a man's shoe size to the length of his penis.


I could have told you that.

658 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:32:58am

re: #597 realwest

Being cold you'll get over, at least. Though I can remember some cold, cold times in Charlotte. Up here, it's business that's cold. Been polishing up the resume, just in case. Which is creative, as I have been self employed for 11 years. Have to see what happens, I guess. Madame I's company sent the severance policy out to all employees the other day. Just for informational purposes, don't you know. So, it's a positive delta on the pucker factor.

659 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:33:12am

re: #617 Typicalwhitey
I hoped you faxed it to 'em and to YOUR local FBI office!
A whole lot of tadpoles can create a big wave - you've been on top of the Obama Truth Goon Squads over where you live, and now this! Keep punching 'em!

660 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:33:26am

re: #647 doriangrey

Ummm, Yes, coffee sounds very good this morning... thank you....

Hey my friend..Charles banned EIDE yesterday..
He said reading that thread was like getting a root canal without painkillers.

661 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:33:48am

re: #649 realwest

Good morning galloping granny! Hey if y'all just upgraded to FF 3, can you tell me a) how do you like it and b) how do you get your favorites from your prior browzer into FF 3 ?!

I love it, there is a tool - under file at the very top left of the screen, says Import. . . .

662 Vergeltung  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:33:54am

re: #646 redstateredneck

well, let's just say my wife was not playing with my shoes this morning. :)

663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:33:59am

re: #654 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all.
I see that qwen iffl didn't disclose that she was writing this book to the commission. Can you say, 'in the tank'. I knew you could.

To quote President-Elect (/) McCain last night, "Gwen Ifel is a professional. I am sure she will be fair."

664 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:34:11am

re: #652 WriterMom

SHALOM LIZARDIM!

Hi writermom..how are you today?

665 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:34:18am

re: #352 uptight

The left try to erase creepy Obama video from history

Remember that Obama video? The one with all the kids, that was like an eerily cross between Children of the Damned and the Aryan kid in Caberet singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"

Well it's now been removed from youtube.

Daily Kos has also been purging it...

Obama's official site has removed it...

Now the big question - are they suddenly embarrassed that the Cult worship is too obvious, or are they ashamed at the way they brainwashed kids.

Must be something like that, otherwise why remove the video and all references to it?

My theory is they want to remove evidence of yet another astroturfing effort. No one was buying the "grassroots" effort of Venice CA with some Hollywood producers thrown in for good measure.

666 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:34:28am

re: #657 ibmkeyboard

I could have told you that.

and I wear a size 14 shoe

667 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:34:37am

re: #651 redstateredneck

No sweetheart.

Or (as usual) she stole all the covers.... It's a woman thing... Or so I have been told....

668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:34:38am

re: #654 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all.
I see that qwen iffl didn't disclose that
she was writing this book to the commission. Can you say, 'in the
tank'. I knew you could.

Given that, my only hope tonight is for Biden to call Palin "Chesty McBoobs" or something. Maybe the "moderator" will call foul on that.

669 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:35:18am

re: #630 arethusa

They would run into the problem that Obama and Biden voted for it, too.

Doesn't matter as they vote in favor of Pork Barrel spending all the time... McCain runs on never voting in favor of Pork... He's the reformer who will cut the pork out...

They can get him on this one... Hypocritical though it may be, they can get him on it...

670 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:35:26am

re: #623 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - how are you feeling - how's the socket where the tooth WAS, ?

671 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:35:28am

re: #666 ibmkeyboard

and I wear a size 14 shoe

Well, monkey's do have small...well...you know... uh... boards.

(duck and run away laughing)!

672 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:35:49am

re: #646 redstateredneck

Researchers at University College London say there is no evidence linking a man's shoe size to the length of his penis.
After measuring the vital parts of more than 100 men, they concluded that the theory has no scientific basis.


That's what all guys with small penis' tell me.

/more purple smoke

673 Miss Trixie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:35:50am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards} &#9836 &#9834

{CtP} In her memory.

674 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:36:12am

re: #666 ibmkeyboard

and I wear a size 14 shoe

I wasn't going to ask for the specifics.
;-)

675 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:36:21am

re: #669 tfc3rid

Doesn't
matter as they vote in favor of Pork Barrel spending all the time...
McCain runs on never voting in favor of Pork... He's the reformer who
will cut the pork out...

They can get him on this one... Hypocritical though it may be, they can get him on it...

He's damned if he does & damned if he don't.

676 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:36:32am

re: #561 Beach Lover

And can someone tell me why is this new bill that passed the Senate supposed to be so much better than the one Bush handed over last week? and another question....what started this whole thing? I forget. And was the timing of it with the election of any significance?
and don't yell at me...remember I have a headache.

It was much improved cause it added:

1. increase in FDIC insurance

2. some terminology about ending the mark to market accounting requirement that distorts the value of these things.

3. More accountability and controls on the Treasury and on what gets done with the money.

What started all this was a complete failure in oversight and leadership in dealing with a known and growing financial crisis in the markets. The financial crisis itself was brought on by a series of missteps, misjudgments, and outright fraud in the financial sector. This forced banks to lock up capital for potential write downs, and a loss of confidence in the system due to the abject failure of the House last week to address this.

A week or so ago this went from being a financial situation to a crisis in confidence. At this point, banks and other financial institutions out there don't trust anybody, and so are holding onto their capital, and some investors are panicked and making real bad decisions.

My suggestions for what they are worth for weathering this storm:

1. Do not borrow money if you can avoid it. Pay your bills on time, go through your family budget with a razor and cut your costs if you can. Cash is king right now.

2. Do not make any panic buy/sell decisions now. If you have money in stocks, you might as well hold onto it cause you have suffered your losses. Might suffer some more before this is all done, but at this point it would make little sense to sell out and lock on your losses. If you regularly contribute to a 401K, you might as well keep doing it cause there are a lot of really underpriced stocks out there that will come back after this is over.

3. Take a long term view and I mean 5 to 10 years on this. Understand that this is going to get worse before it gets better. We damaged the economy a lot with this screwing around over the last 10 days or so (and we are not done yet) , and the ripple effects of all that will be coming back at us for months. I see now way to avoid a recession and a pretty lengthy one at that. If you think we got problems, you should take a good look at Europe.

4. Try to maintain your income level.

677 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:36:36am

Two notes and off for the day:

1. To the McCain Campaign, the whole election boils down to this single message to the American public. Barack Obama is the most far left candidate the democrats have ever nominated, with proven ties to anti-American radicals, a full partner in Chicago/Springfield political corruption and the only US candidate to have ever received millions from shadowy foreign donors. His only accomplishment in his adult life of any note was spending $50 million to improve Chicago's schools and, using all of his charisma, charm and intelligence, managed to not make the worst school system in the US any worse.

Just focus on this simple concise and repeatable message and beat the drum 'til November 4th and victory- it is simple, accurate and, scandalously all true.

When I read that Obama voted for Housing projects and while taking donations from beneficiaries of those projects who are all going to jail, what more do you need to know?

In contrast, Mr. McCain is the most known of political quantities, a strong courageous and uncorruptible leader at a time when we really need leadership.

2. The US SHOULD talk to Iran unconditionally. I have deeply thought about it and realize this the last and only hope for avoiding a terrible war:

The US should tell Iran unconditionally that they have 10 days to permit international decommission of their nuclear missile and weapons program or they face war.

See, Obama is half right!

678 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:36:55am

re: #673 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards} ♬ ♪

{CtP} In her memory.

Good morning miss trixie..How is life treating you?

679 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:37:18am

re: #657 ibmkeyboard

I could have told you that.


Got big feet huh?

680 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:37:19am
681 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:37:25am

re: #635 redstateredneck
Hey hi ya {red} a big something anyway - preferably something or someone that didn't have to be walked and didn't make up Honey Do lists! LOL!

682 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:14am

re: #664 HoosierHoops

Fantabulous.

683 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:23am

I think to save face tonight Gwen Ifill will 'disclose' that she is penning a book on the wonders of The Obama before she asks her first question...

I hope the debate will be spectacular for Gov. Palin but I think it will be a very ordinary debate.

684 arethusa  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:23am

re: #669 tfc3rid

Doesn't matter as they vote in favor of Pork Barrel spending all the time... McCain runs on never voting in favor of Pork... He's the reformer who will cut the pork out...

They can get him on this one... Hypocritical though it may be, they can get him on it...

Sure, they could attack. But what happens when McCain turns around and gives a list of all the pork projects O-B have supported? His naming Obama's earmarks was a disconcerting moment for O in the debate.

/O-B

685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:36am

re: #680 WriterMom

Happy Eid, American Kufars!

After ramadan, do the muslims have a big feast? Y'know, an Eid-e Gourmet?

686 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:42am

re: #656 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL. Hi there.

687 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:49am

re: #637 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Good point: the F35 is a Joint Strike Fighter, meaning it's a fighter jet that can be used to deliver a few bombs on target, but not the large payload of a true bomber.

688 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:38:53am

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To quote President-Elect (/) McCain last night, "Gwen Ifel is a professional. I am sure she will be fair."

I hate it when McCain tries to be 'gentlemanly'.

689 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:04am

re: #675 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's damned if he does & damned if he don't.

Exactly... Sad for the Republic...

690 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:09am

re: #685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Forgot to add the rimshot!

691 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:15am

re: #685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Eid on't wanna know.

692 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:21am

re: #654 newsjunkie_ky

Good morning you all.
I see that qwen iffl didn't disclose that she was writing this book to the commission. Can you say, 'in the tank'. I knew you could.

But don't doubt her objectivity. If you don't believe me just ask her, she'll tell you.

693 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:32am

re: #681 realwest

Hey hi ya {red} a big something anyway - preferably something or someone that didn't have to be walked and didn't make up Honey Do lists! LOL!

In that case, you better get one of these.

694 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:46am

So are all of the Jewish Lizards hung over from the big RH party? Whoo hooo.

695 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:53am

re: #643 DaddyG
"That kind of logic bought us Pelosi/Reed in the last election cycle. No thanks."
What, you don't think that taught us Republicans a lesson? I don't ever think you win by losing!

696 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:39:55am

re: #673 Miss Trixie

Thanks... A year ago yesterday... :(

Needless to say, I've been very loving on my new girl the past few days... ;)

697 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:40:07am

re: #688 newsjunkie_ky

I hate it when McCain tries to be 'gentlemanly'.

He isn't.
He is saying that because it will force her to be fair.
And if she isn't fair the debate will be judged through that lense.

698 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:40:24am

re: #668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Given that, my only hope tonight is for Biden to call Palin "Chesty McBoobs" or something. Maybe the "moderator" will call foul on that.

It will probably have to be that blatant.

699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:40:57am

re: #660 HoosierHoops

Hey my friend..Charles banned EIDE yesterday..
He said reading that thread was like getting a root canal without painkillers.

EIDE jump in one again? Sheesh. Thought it had calmed down.

700 Miss Trixie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:40:58am

re: #678 HoosierHoops

Good morning miss trixie..How is life treating you?

Good morning to you. It's my birthday today - ack! Another year older and a whole lot wiser, I tell you what! :D

{realwest} Good morning darls! *smoochie* *huggle* How are you feeling today? You certainly sound randy as ever ... :D

701 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:41:12am

re: #687 Kenneth

Good
point: the F35 is a Joint Strike Fighter, meaning it's a fighter jet
that can be used to deliver a few bombs on target, but not the large
payload of a true bomber.

There is no hard & fast definition of a bomber, but I generally consider a bomber to have more than 1 engine, at least 2 crew members & an internal weapons bay.

702 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:41:25am

re: #652 WriterMom
Shalom, WriterMom! How are you today?

703 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:41:28am

Was at a nevent in Midtown last night and got a great view of the green Eid State Building... Sad.

704 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:41:57am

re: #622 realwest

Cold! that's how I am! LOL! How are you doing today?
I asked before but didn't get an answer!

Sorry for the delay, RW...I'm multi-tasking this morning, making out food orders for tomorrow and completing deposits.

I'm well...thanks. How's your mother, I know she had a doctors visit the other day?

I didn't follow your, Y'all ought to report your own comment as it might make a "fun" thread too! I'm slow today...I need a jolt...lol

705 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:42:11am

re: #696 christheprofessor

Thanks... A year ago yesterday... :(

Needless to say, I've been very loving on my new girl the past few days... ;)

I love that pic of your old girl. We call that look "adoring eyes" at our house.

706 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:42:34am

re: #665 DaddyG

My theory is they want to remove evidence of yet another astroturfing effort. No one was buying the "grassroots" effort of Venice CA with some Hollywood producers thrown in for good measure.

The left don't get how creepy they are. That video is a good thing.
Reason has it saved.
Don't miss the Pyongyang remix!

707 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:42:42am

DOW is down 125 and dropping.

708 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:42:56am

re: #680 WriterMom

Good morning, nice to see you back at the water cooler.

709 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:43:11am

re: #702 realwest

Realwest, I'm good thanks.

LOL: Check it out.

Swedish Muslim Finds Mohammad in A Mango! A real miracle!

710 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:43:21am

Time to get down to some real work.

711 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:43:40am

re: #641 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Dorian..Coffee is on..
Hey Jorline..how are you doing today?

Good morning, Hoopster.

712 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:43:50am

re: #655 galloping granny
Good thing no one watches the Dish Channel!
And it's apparently only airing a two minute loop of some campaign speech of his, but WHERE DID HE GET THE DOUGH?!

713 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:43:59am

re: #706 FrogMarch

The left don't get how creepy they are. That video is a good thing.
Reason has it saved.
Don't miss the Pyongyang remix!

I don't like the Pyongyang remix. I think that it makes light of the real danger of the original. Speaking of which, if anyone has it how about re-uploading it please.

714 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:44:25am

re: #692 x-wing

But don't doubt her objectivity. If you don't believe me just ask her, she'll tell you.


LOL, yep she sure will. The venom in her voice as she 'reported' on Sarah's convention speech was deadly. qwen kept saying how she 'attacked' poor obambi.

715 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:44:27am

re: #683 tfc3rid

Whether Sarah is spectacular or not, the only way anyone will know it is by watching it live. Just as with last Friday's debate, all the reporting has already been done, and the reviews are already in the can. Tomorrow's headlines were written yesterday. That's the way news works these days, unfortunately.

716 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:44:41am

re: #705 redstateredneck

I love that pic of your old girl. We call that look "adoring eyes" at our house.

Thank you. She was looking directly into my eyes when that pic was taken. That's my arm around her and her paw is in my hand, though it is cropped out...

717 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:44:45am

re: #700 Miss Trixie

Happy Birthday to You!

718 HoosierHoops  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:44:56am

re: #700 Miss Trixie

Good morning to you. It's my birthday today - ack! Another year older and a whole lot wiser, I tell you what! :D

{realwest} Good morning darls! *smoochie* *huggle* How are you feeling today? You certainly sound randy as ever ... :D


Ok Lizards..all together now..
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear trixie..
Happy Birthday to you

719 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:45:37am

re: #712 realwest

Good thing no one watches the Dish Channel!
And it's apparently only airing a two minute loop of some campaign speech of his, but WHERE DID HE GET THE DOUGH?!

Probably one of those "in kind" contributions. He gets a lot of those. And you and I both know that people outside the US are funding his campaign in a big way. Like the outsourced telemarketing that is so "spontaneous" from Gaza.

720 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:45:51am

re: #715 Pullus Iulius

Whether Sarah is spectacular or not, the only way anyone will know it is by watching it live. Just as with last Friday's debate, all the reporting has already been done, and the reviews are already in the can. Tomorrow's headlines were written yesterday. That's the way news works these days, unfortunately.

Agreed... I did not see nor hear a moment of last week's debate... Judging from what I heard about it, it seemed like Obama really made McCain look terrible... But of course, that is the 'approved' storyline...

721 3 wood  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:46:13am

DOW now down 152 and dropping.

There is just so much bad economic news out there.

722 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:46:37am

re: #696 christheprofessor

Thanks... A year ago yesterday... :(

Needless to say, I've been very loving on my new girl the past few days... ;)

CTP,
My Little Meggie passed away on Monday. I remember how sad you were last year. I'm having a bad time dealing with losing my sweet girl.

723 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:46:39am

The Obama Channel... that is where they will air his re-education information 24/7...

724 jetprop  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:46:40am

Some questions Ifil could ask the VP candidates:

"Ms. Palin: Your glasses are askew, what is the distance to the sun in kilometers and how long would a roundtrip take if converted to miles per hour, make it quick please"

"Joe: Howyadoin? From what direction does the sunrise?"

"Ms. Palin: Can you name all the president's in reverse order, you have 30 seconds"

"Hi Joe: Who was the last democrat president? Take your time"

/sarc

725 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:46:42am

re: #658 Pullus Iulius
Hey, seriously, being self-employed looks really good on a CV my friend! Just don't go into any long winded explanation of why you're looking for work on the CV itslelf, wait for the interviews to explain it.
Just say you were tired of being the boss and all the damned paperwork that goes with it!
Good luck to you - seriously.

726 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:47:04am

re: #721 3 wood

DOW now down 152 and dropping.

There is just so much bad economic news out there.

Is this indicative of more bad news to come or that the folks don't like it that the Senate pasts the Porkapalooza?

727 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:47:12am

re: #700 Miss Trixie

Good morning to you. It's my birthday today - ack! Another year older and a whole lot wiser, I tell you what! :D

{realwest} Good morning darls! *smoochie* *huggle* How are you feeling today? You certainly sound randy as ever ... :D

Happy Birthday {Miss Trixie}

What's it like turning sweet 16?

/I have a year to go....can't wait to drive.

729 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:47:32am

re: #700 Miss Trixie

Happy birthday!

/And many mooooorrrreeeee...

730 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:48:08am

Miss Trixie
These guys are delivering your birthday present from me. Hopefully, there's a straight one in the bunch.

731 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:48:09am

re: #726 galloping granny

Is this indicative of more bad news to come or that the folks don't like it that the Senate pasts the Porkapalooza?

Yeah I was going to say... The Dow seemed finw when Congress wasn't around...

This appears to be a highly unpopular bill...

732 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:48:19am

re: #697 Typicalwhitey

He isn't.
He is saying that because it will force her to be fair.
And if she isn't fair the debate will be judged through that lense.

It won't be judged by anyone but republicans. the msm are too far up the dems butttttts to detect unfairness.

733 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:49:16am

re: #699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

EIDE jump in one again? Sheesh. Thought it had calmed down.


Doriangrey didn't get to him/her/it in time. He was trying , but I guess it wasn't soon enough.

734 tfc3rid  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:49:55am

Great story from my evening last night... Real lib Manhattanite event and chatting with people and they were talking about how great 2009 will be with a new outlook on things and a a great new president...

I said, "Yes, John McCain is a true, incorruptible American hero... He and Sarah Palin will make a fine administration. I'm excited as well'

And with that, they left me and the gf... Go figure...

735 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:50:08am

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To quote President-Elect (/) McCain last night, "Gwen Ifel is a professional. I am sure she will be fair."

this approach is getting old.
i'm just not sure what it's all abt. what are they thinking?
the dems and msm are vicious predators.
common sense tells me to handle them differently.

736 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #673 {Miss Trixie}Hey there gorgeous! *smoooch* to you and what did you mean with the hug to CtP "In her memory" - who's memory?!

737 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:50:28am

re: #619 HoosierHoops

You know realwest is going to say extra large..It's a guy thing.
/LOL

Bwahaha!

738 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:52:14am

re: #676 3 wood
Hey my friend, that was an EXCELLENT POST - not that you haven't pretty much said it all before, but a really nice summation! Thank you.

739 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:52:34am

re: #722 newsjunkie_ky

CTP,
My Little Meggie passed away on Monday. I remember how sad you were last year. I'm having a bad time dealing with losing my sweet girl.

I am so sorry to hear that... I know how tough it is. It'll take time but, as I indicated the other day, soon you will smile rather than cry when you think of her. She's playing happily right now, just waiting for you...

I honestly believe that the best thing to do is get another dog (not right away, of course, but after a month or so). You know your girl wouldn't want you to be sad -- she wants you to be happy! And a new bundle of love will make you happy.

740 Miss Trixie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:53:12am
My Little Meggie passed away on Monday. I remember how sad you were last year. I'm having a bad time dealing with losing my sweet girl.

{ { {news junkie} } }

Oh honey - I had no idea until just now. I'm so sorry your heart has broken over the loss of your beloved Meggie. *hug*

741 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:53:22am

re: #725 realwest

Thanks for the kind thoughts and good advice. I've still got one contract that'll keep things running until the end of the year. After that, who knows? As they say: "...And perhaps the horse will sing."

742 yesandno  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:53:31am

re: #730 redstateredneck

Miss Trixie
These guys are delivering your birthday present from me. Hopefully, there's a straight one in the bunch.

Bet is isn't the one on the left....what ya think?

743 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:53:36am

What a shitty weekend to be on call!
The news has me wanting to go to the
lake ,drink,catch fish (release said fish)and not be around a phone, or TV...... (Will DVR the debate)!
Sheesh!
Oh! And top that off with a storm coming in tomm....!
Happy Birthday M.Trixie!
Many happy returns!
Loader

744 lori lane  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:53:39am

re: #634 realwest

Um, 9+1/2 or 10, please! LOL!

I'll add you to the listie! ;-)
As I skimmed up thread to find your answer I noticed a lot of comments about socks & sizes. I'll have to come back later this afternoon to see what you all were saying. lol Gotta run! Take care, {rw} and all good Lizzards. Have a good one!

745 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:54:00am

re: #667 doriangrey

Or (as usual) she stole all the covers.... It's a woman thing... Or so I have been told....

It's why I have my own set when it's cold. Why try to unwrap the mummy queen when I can just unfold the emergency blanket?

746 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:54:13am

re: #700 Miss Trixie

Good morning to you. It's my birthday today - ack! Another year older and a whole lot wiser, I tell you what! :D

{realwest} Good morning darls! *smoochie* *huggle* How are you feeling today? You certainly sound randy as ever ... :D


Happy Birthday Miss Trixie, you don't look a day over 23.

I Love the birthdays of Libras', cause I are one. Six days and counting.

747 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:54:25am

re: #693 redstateredneck
Oh, hey, thanks a lot .................smartass!

748 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:54:40am

re: #730 redstateredneck

Miss Trixie
These guys are delivering your birthday present from me. Hopefully, there's a straight one in the bunch.

Nope.

749 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:54:49am

re: #660 HoosierHoops

Hey my friend..Charles banned EIDE yesterday..
He said reading that thread was like getting a root canal without painkillers.

It is Charles house. I cant say I am surprised. As I stated many times before, I dont think EIDE was a troll or moby. But he clearly did not know how to not react to provocation. And he was the object of many persons scorn. I did warn him that if he continued to fight with people that that would be the result. Personally I do feel that he was ganged up on by certain people, but it does not matter because in the end his own inability to behave in a civil manner was his undoing.

Charles is a good man and in spite of my disappointment I do respect his decision. He works very hard to ensure that LGF is a civilized place where people can discuss things without being attacked for having dissenting views. I would also add that Charles is kind enough to remit his banning on occasion as I well know. But because EIDE managed to make so many enemies I can not imagine Charles being able to do so in this case, nor would I even suggest his considering it.

I had hopped that people here could have been convinced to cease their hostility towards EIDE and give him a chance to learn to become a good Lizard. But he had rubbed to many people the wrong way to many times. If Charles doesnt remove people like EIDE occasionally LGF would become little different than dKos of Huff and puff.

In short, painful as I find it, I am fully in support of Charles decision, for the good of the community as a whole I guess it had to be done. I am disappointed and saddened that so many of my fellow lizards were so intolerant and spiteful. But then again, they also have to feel comfortable posting here. So the popular kids cast the nerd out... Oh well shit happens.

750 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:55:45am

re: #742 yesandno

Bet is isn't the one on the left....what ya think?

Agreed! ! !

751 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:56:28am

Oh dear! I am hunting up lesson plans for 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, which we begin today. Right smack dab in the middle of one intended to pass out to the students I find

You may want to view the burial sight of Jules Verne.
752 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:56:33am

re: #706 FrogMarch

The left don't get how creepy they are. That video is a good thing.
Reason has it saved.
Don't miss the Pyongyang remix!

obamayouth, start them out young. I emailed to my list.

753 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:56:40am

re: #696 christheprofessor
Good morning CtP! and Whew! I thought for a moment Miss Trixie meant Lightning!
How are ya doing down there - is it cold yet? Do y'all have any gasoline?!

754 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:56:57am

re: #746 x-wing

Happy Birthday Miss Trixie, you don't look a day over 23.

I Love the birthdays of Libras', cause I are one. Six days and counting.

Three weeks from today for me.

755 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:58:13am

re: #700 Miss Trixie
Hey {Miss Trixie} HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! *smooocies* like mad! LOL!
And many, many more to you sweetie!

756 BaseballMom57  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:58:48am

re: #30 The Rebbitzen

I just sent up a prayer for your friend and his family. I'm glad you mentioned it.

By the way - please educate me, because I'm very curious - why is praying for McCain/Palin not a particularly Jewish thing to do?

757 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:58:49am

re: #751 galloping granny

Oh dear! I am hunting up lesson plans for 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, which we begin today. Right smack dab in the middle of one intended to pass out to the students I find

Spell checkers are not always your friend. It's a bit sad, though.

Personally, I could never diagram a sentence more than five minutes after the last lesson. However, I read books that were (apparently) edited by professionals and picked up a little education that way. Too much Faulkner is why I am the master of the run-on sentence.

758 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:59:38am

re: #637 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bit of a misleading headline - the F-35 is not a bomber. At first I thought we were selling the Israelis B-2s!

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (as prez) were to mothball the B-2s, or scrap them.

759 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:59:45am

re: #709 WriterMom
ROTFLMAO! Thanks for that one! Those crazy Swedes!

760 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 6:59:59am

Oy. My investments are taking it in the neck again. I've got to make some pin money. See you all at lunch.

761 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:00:00am

re: #714 newsjunkie_ky

LOL, yep she sure will. The venom in her voice as she 'reported' on Sarah's convention speech was deadly. qwen kept saying how she 'attacked' poor obambi.

That's just your right-wing bais showing ;>}

BTW, I told Goddess of the classroom of your loss, and she has bookmarked you in her prayers.

/I wont bring it up anymore, let's have some fun today.

762 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:00:15am

re: #757 OldLineTexan

Spell checkers are not always your friend. It's a bit sad, though.

Personally, I could never diagram a sentence more than five minutes after the last lesson. However, I read books that were (apparently) edited by professionals and picked up a little education that way. Too much Faulkner is why I am the master of the run-on sentence.

I don't know about that. You'll have to flip me for it at times.

763 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:00:35am

re: #739 christheprofessor

I am so sorry to hear that... I know how tough it is. It'll take time but, as I indicated the other day, soon you will smile rather than cry when you think of her. She's playing happily right now, just waiting for you...

I honestly believe that the best thing to do is get another dog (not right away, of course, but after a month or so). You know your girl wouldn't want you to be sad -- she wants you to be happy! And a new bundle of love will make you happy.

Thanks, I will. Sorry to bring up last year and add to your sorrow.

764 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:00:48am

re: #753 realwest

Good morning CtP! and Whew! I thought for a moment Miss Trixie meant Lightning!
How are ya doing down there - is it cold yet? Do y'all have any gasoline?!

Good morning. It was cool at first, but it's warming up. Not sure what the high will be, though...

No gas problems here (well, other than the freakin' price)...

765 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:00:57am

right now ifel is thinking hard abt. the best approach to malign gov. palin that doesn't quite step over the line.
i'm sure that is a problem for her. considering her goal is to get obama elected at all costs.
until her conflict of interest was discovered, she was probably going to slam her any way she could.
the bs that the msm has done to gov. palin is criminal.
i think ifel is going to look uncomfortable and angry tonight. because she is ham strung now.
also i bet biden knows the questions. if ifel would fail to disclose her book deal, a form of lying by w/holding very relevant info, why would she stop short of given the answers to biden?
she is tainted thru her deceit. typical msm lib.

766 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:00:59am

re: #758 Ward Cleaver

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (as prez) were to mothball the B-2s, or scrap them.

The B-2, mainly due to the fragility of the stealth coatings, is extremely difficult to field and maintain. It will not have anything approaching the service life of the B-52.

767 bosforus  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:01:35am

Can someone clear something up for me? I thought Congress was supposed to be out for Ramadan. How is all this bailout voting taking place?

768 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:01:55am

re: #740 Miss Trixie
Thank you, I need all the hugs I can get.

Happy Birthday to you.

769 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:02:04am

re: #758 Ward Cleaver

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama (as prez) were to mothball the B-2s, or scrap them.

Of course... in the coming world of peace and brotherhood we won't need 'em.

Right?

770 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:02:14am

re: #670 realwest

Good morning dorian - how are you feeling - how's the socket where the tooth WAS, ?

They pulled 22 teeth.......... All I have left are six teeth on the bottom, and a lot of stitches where they closed up my gum's. My dentures feel like my mouth is full of bricks, my gum's still hurt and damned if I don't have to learn to talk all over again. Other than that I finally got a good nights sleep last night. The vicodin kept me awake all night Tuesday night and most of yesterday. Besides all of that I feel amazingly good... all things considered that is....

771 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:02:14am

re: #751 galloping granny

I'd say that that's not a particularly good view...

772 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:08am
773 Bobblehead  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:12am

Wow, it's chilly here in central Ohio today. Time to put away the sandals.

774 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:18am

re: #770 doriangrey

Bless your heart!

775 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:20am
776 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:20am

re: #729 christheprofessor

Happy birthday!

/And many mooooorrrreeeee...

Hear hear!

777 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:25am

re: #762 galloping granny

Heh. I suppose that's only fair!

778 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:42am

re: #767 bosforus

Yesterday was Eid. They're back on the job, with interruptions for prayer 5 times a day.

779 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:46am

re: #734 tfc3rid
Gee, maybe you needed mouthwash and didn't know it?!
;')

780 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:03:55am

re: #763 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, I will. Sorry to bring up last year and add to your sorrow.

Oh, no worries whatsoever! I'm getting ready to head to the dog park with the new girl...

I wish I could be there to give you a hug...

781 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:04:09am

re: #770 doriangrey

They pulled 22 teeth.......... All I have left are six teeth on the bottom, and a lot of stitches where they closed up my gum's. My dentures feel like my mouth is full of bricks, my gum's still hurt and damned if I don't have to learn to talk all over again. Other than that I finally got a good nights sleep last night. The vicodin kept me awake all night Tuesday night and most of yesterday. Besides all of that I feel amazingly good... all things considered that is....

Good God!

My hat is off to you, sir, for keeping an upbeat attitude. Any dental work sucks, but that is monsterous.

782 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:04:18am

Regarding the senate vote, I am proud to say both of my senators voted, hell, no.

783 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:04:35am

re: #761 x-wing

That's just your right-wing bais showing ;>}

BTW, I told Goddess of the classroom of your loss, and she has bookmarked you in her prayers.

/I wont bring it up anymore, let's have some fun today.

Yes, let's have fun.

784 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:04:37am

re: #774 redstateredneck

Bless your heart!

ROTFLMAO... Thank you, but how about blessing my poor gum's instead...

785 vagabond trader  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:04:42am

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only

................no not really, we have a new Pope

786 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:04:58am

re: #766 OldLineTexan

The B-2, mainly due to the fragility of the stealth coatings, is extremely difficult to field and maintain. It will not have anything approaching the service life of the B-52.

Nope, and that would be a convenient excuse for Obama to use. Too much money, when that money could be spent on early childhood brainwashing, er, early childhood education.

787 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:05:05am

re: #770 doriangrey

oh my, i'm so sorry to hear of your discomfort.
hope you are better soon.

788 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:05:51am

Is America’s Day Over?

I don’t agree that the American era is over and in particular reject the idea that markets have failed. The real wealth of nations lies in human capital, not its financial markets. Financial markets can be fixed if human capital exists. Without human capital nothing can be fixed. The USA remains the only Western country with a growing, highly skilled population. Every other Western country will soon face a demographic crisis, as will Russia and China. Nor is it correct to argue that the “markets have failed”. One major causes of the current crisis are bungled social engineering efforts by Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae, which are highly politicized government supported enterprises. The information on the true worthlessness of many of the assets that have spread like a poison through the financial system has arrived only belatedly; and the market is rightly reacting to it. The real question is why this information did not come front and center sooner. The ratings, accounting, management consulting and journalistic industries have publicly failed to place the information on the top of the public agenda even though the problems were suspected for some time. A better market for information , not a more tightly controlled information regime will be better for the economy in the long run.

789 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:05:57am

re: #768 newsjunkie_ky

good morning {newsjunkie_ky},
thinking of you.

790 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:06:11am

re: #778 Kenneth

Yesterday was Eid. They're back on the job, with interruptions for prayer 5 times a day.

If Obama gets elected, watch him make that a national holiday.

791 Coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:06:57am

Good morning Lizards, is that cynacism I smell in the air today? Have a great day peoples!

792 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:06:59am

re: #775 taxfreekiller

Dear Fence Sitters etal,

You of the, "I'm pure, I'm gonna sit it out, I'm not going to vote for the less of the two evils".

like that, its important that your do what your supposed to do, VOTE


/stands up and applauds.... You tell em tfk.......

793 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:07:02am

re: #757 OldLineTexan

Too much Faulkner is why I am the master of the run-on sentence.

I have come a fur piece.

Good morning, all.

794 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:07:21am

re: #771 christheprofessor

I'd say that that's not a particularly good view...

Let's just say I sent the rest of the "lesson plan" into the deep dark hole of never never land. Which is OK - it consisted of little other than diary entries and that is not at all the way I like to teach literature.

795 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:07:39am

re: #780 christheprofessor

Oh, no worries whatsoever! I'm getting ready to head to the dog park with the new girl...

I wish I could be there to give you a hug...


Just give one to your furbaby. And tell her it's from me. I need to hug more than I need a hug. did that make sense?
No more talk of sad things today.
Gotta get geared up for Sarah tonight.

796 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:07:42am
I am disappointed and saddened that so many of my fellow lizards were so intolerant and spiteful. But then again, they also have to feel comfortable posting here. So the popular kids cast the nerd out... Oh well shit happens

Wow.
So let me get this straight.
You defended eide and many did not. Many felt he continually hijacked threads and he was very successful at it.

But somehow you become the decider on whether many of us were so "intolerant and spiteful". We were the "popular kids casting out the nerd".

Sheesh such arrogance!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are the one who is wrong about eide? No, I didn't think so.

797 Coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:07:48am

Or is it 'cynicism'?

798 Coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:08:45am

re: #796 Typicalwhitey

Wow.
So let me get this straight.
You defended eide and many did not. Many felt he continually hijacked threads and he was very successful at it.

But somehow you become the decider on whether many of us were so "intolerant and spiteful". We were the "popular kids casting out the nerd".

Sheesh such arrogance!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are the one who is wrong about eide? No, I didn't think so.

EIDE wasn't a nerd, an ass maybe, not a nerd.

799 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:09:16am

Did EIDE get the stick?

800 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:09:30am

Virginia teachers union encouraged to wear blue on Tuesday to show support for Obama. On Fox now.

801 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:09:36am

re: #789 nyc redneck

good morning {newsjunkie_ky},
thinking of you.

Thanks. I'm doing better.

Happy thoughts, let's have happy thoughts.
Did I just hear that a teacher asked students to wear blue on Tuesday in support of obambi?

802 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:09:36am

re: #797 Coquimbojoe

Or is it 'cynicism'?

Brief moment of being PO'd.

We're back on track now... the abomination still has to pass the House (forget George, he'll sign the SOB).

803 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:09:56am

re: #796 Typicalwhitey

Wow.
So let me get this straight.
You defended eide and many did not. Many felt he continually hijacked threads and he was very successful at it.

But somehow you become the decider on whether many of us were so "intolerant and spiteful". We were the "popular kids casting out the nerd".

Sheesh such arrogance!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are the one who is wrong about eide? No, I didn't think so.

/puts on ignore.....

804 Kenneth  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:10:06am

re: #799 Ward Cleaver

Yes. For a "round them up & deport them" comment.

805 smokefire  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:10:07am

re: #792 doriangrey

/stands up and applauds.... You tell em tfk.......

Vote McCain, or our world as we know it will disappear.
Dogs and Cats living together, etc etc. Can anyone tell me if I can immigrate to Israel if I can't speak Hebrew.

806 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:10:41am

Mornin all. It's been a very busy week. Lots of overtime

807 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:10:42am

re: #786 Ward Cleaver

Nope, and that would be a convenient excuse for Obama to use. Too much money, when that money could be spent on early childhood brainwashing, er, early childhood education.

My opinion is that no excuse is needed. The B-2 is an admirable achievement, but it never deserved to be a production warplane. For the pricetag of one B-2, we can have about ten F-35 fighter-bombers.

808 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:10:57am

re: #805 smokefire

Vote McCain, or our world as we know it will disappear.
Dogs and Cats living together, etc etc. Can anyone tell me if I can immigrate to Israel if I can't speak Hebrew.

... learn.

809 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:11:09am

re: #770 doriangrey
"They pulled 22 teeth.......... All I have left are six teeth on the bottom, and a lot of stitches where they closed up my gum's."
HOLY SHIT dorian - I thought you were only getting ONE tooth pulled!
Oh man, I really feel for you my friend! Then dentures will feel and fit better once the gums have healed - in fact I'm surprised they gave you any dentures at all - unless they're just temps or something!
Wow, geez - I just can't hardly imagine that much pain!
Please take it as easy as you can my friend - I will be praying for you.

810 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:11:33am

re: #784 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... Thank you, but how about blessing my poor gum's instead...

Bless your gums just doesn't have the same ring to it.
:D

811 Maximu§  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:11:41am

Hey Gang

812 smokefire  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:08am

re: #808 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

THAT does not make me feel too secure.

813 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:10am

Howdy Maximus!

How you this mornin'?

814 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:34am

re: #800 galloping granny

Virginia teachers union encouraged to wear blue on Tuesday to show support for Obama. On Fox now.

You heard it better than I did. This is just plain WRONG! Teachers' union sucks. I have many conservative friends that are teachers and they hate their union.
Thanks for setting me straight, That is even worse than a teacher asking students.

815 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:43am

re: #805 smokefire

Vote McCain, or our world as we know it will disappear.
Dogs and Cats living together, etc etc. Can anyone tell me if I can immigrate to Israel if I can't speak Hebrew.

Are you Jewish?

816 Miss Trixie  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:45am

Thanks kindly for the birthday wishes folks. :D Unfortunately, duty calls and I'm busier than a one-legged man in an a**-kicking contest.

BBL *mwah*

817 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:50am

re: #754 redstateredneck

Three weeks from today for me.


I guess my dad gave my mom her Valentines present two weeks early.

/ewwww did I just say that.

818 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:52am

re: #806 midwestgak

Mornin all. It's been a very busy week. Lots of overtime

{mwg}

Good morning...good to see you.

819 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:12:52am

re: #793 Occasional Reader

I have come a fur piece.

Good morning, all.

If you were Light in August, you should be just about recovered by now.

820 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:13:06am

Islamists celebrate the end of Ramadan the way they usually do. Suicide bombings.

20+ dead in Baghdad.

Four dead in bombing outside politician's home in NWFP, Pakistan.

Meanwhile, this shouldn't be surprising. US officials say that the ISI was involved in the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul.

821 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:13:07am

re: #812 smokefire

THAT does not make me feel too secure.

Wasn't meant to... just a course of action that might be needed.

822 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:13:11am

re: #794 galloping granny

Let's just say I sent the rest of the "lesson plan" into the deep dark hole of never never land. Which is OK - it consisted of little other than diary entries and that is not at all the way I like to teach literature.

In my experience, the best lesson plans are those one make oneself. I rarely us the crap that comes with textbooks (there are some exceptions).

Frankly, I think that bundling PowerPoint presentations with texts is one of the worst developments in teaching. The prof often just reads the PPs in class and likely haven't even read the book itself. (I know this because I read many student evals when I was chair of my department).

823 smokefire  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:13:24am

re: #815 galloping granny

married to one.

824 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:13:42am

re: #805 smokefire

Vote McCain, or our world as we know it will disappear.
Dogs and Cats living together, etc etc. Can anyone tell me if I can immigrate to Israel if I can't speak Hebrew.


It will be worse than a giant twinkie.

825 Maximu§  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:14:07am

re: #813 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Howdy Maximus!

How you this mornin'?

VMP, you old WarHorse!

I'm doing good, my boy is in his 6th week of bootcamp, we're gonna visit him this month on visitors day.

826 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:14:14am

re: #809 realwest

RW...see my #704.

827 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:14:15am

re: #807 OldLineTexan

For the pricetag of one B-2, we can have about ten F-35 fighter-bombers.

The downside: You can't fly an F-35 from Missouri to hit targets in Mesopotamia, and then fly home again. Effectively deploying F-35s means having a lot of forward bases.

828 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:14:39am

re: #770 doriangrey

They pulled 22 teeth.......... All I have left are six teeth on the bottom, and a lot of stitches where they closed up my gum's. My dentures feel like my mouth is full of bricks, my gum's still hurt and damned if I don't have to learn to talk all over again. Other than that I finally got a good nights sleep last night. The vicodin kept me awake all night Tuesday night and most of yesterday. Besides all of that I feel amazingly good... all things considered that is....

Yikes, I remember my mom going through that, in her early 50s. She has six teeth across the front (lowers), the rest are dentures. Not fun.

829 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:14:49am

re: #818 jorline

{mwg}

Good morning...good to see you.

{Joline}

I've so missed being here. If the economy is bad, it isn't effecting my workload. :)

830 UFO TOFU  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:14:59am

re: #770 doriangrey
Damn, I hope you get better soon!
Let me recommend a massage.

831 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:15:05am

re: #827 Occasional Reader

The downside: You can't fly an F-35 from Missouri to hit targets in Mesopotamia, and then fly home again. Effectively deploying F-35s means having a lot of forward bases.

An F-35 can sit out in the rain.

832 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:15:05am

re: #795 newsjunkie_ky

Just give one to your furbaby. And tell her it's from me. I need to hug more than I need a hug. did that make sense?
No more talk of sad things today.
Gotta get geared up for Sarah tonight.

Yes, it makes a lot of sense... But remember -- hugs are two-way!

I will definitely do that. She's waiting patiently for me outside (she loves this weather, when it's cool enough to just lay on the grass for hours on end)...

833 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:15:34am

re: #793 Occasional Reader

G R O A N

834 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:15:45am
835 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:15:46am

re: #782 redstateredneck

Regarding the senate vote, I am proud to say both of my senators voted, hell, no.

Both my senators voted Aye, and one of them is named Dodd.

836 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:15:56am

re: #825 Maximu§

I'm doing good, my boy is in his 6th week of bootcamp, we're gonna visit him this month on visitors day.

Expect him to either look a lot leaner (if he was heavy), or a lot more muscular (if he was skinny). So I'm told, anyway.

837 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:16:30am

re: #825 Maximu§

VMP, you old WarHorse!

I'm doing good, my boy is in his 6th week of bootcamp, we're gonna visit him this month on visitors day.

Cool... where's he taking it?

My folks did that for me. It was great, though pretty awkward... not a lot to do at Ft Benning for an E2 with a few hours off and I didn't think they wanted to hit Liberty Drive and... er... do the sights.

838 galloping granny  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:17:15am

re: #822 christheprofessor

In my experience, the best lesson plans are those one make oneself. I rarely us the crap that comes with textbooks (there are some exceptions).

Frankly, I think that bundling PowerPoint presentations with texts is one of the worst developments in teaching. The prof often just reads the PPs in class and likely haven't even read the book itself. (I know this because I read many student evals when I was chair of my department).

You and me both. I do, for certain books, like to access "study questions" if they are available though. That was the kind of thing I was looking for, hoping to save myself having to stay two chapters ahead of the kiddo as I have a stack of books that need reviewing.

I hate PP presentations! But now that you mention it, maybe I will download the Gutenberg copy and do this the way that I did A Christmas Carol, since she really enjoyed that and there is so much to tie in to this book.

839 OldLineTexan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:17:17am

re: #836 Occasional Reader

Expect him to either look a lot leaner (if he was heavy), or a lot more muscular (if he was skinny). So I'm told, anyway.

Oh, it works.

When I was a Scout, one of the older guys left for the Army. They put him in the "fat boy" platoon and no one recognized him when he got back for a visit.

840 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:17:47am

re: #830 UFO TOFU

Damn, I hope you get better soon!
Let me recommend a massage.

Egads.

How much would I pay someone NOT to do that to me? If we were doing it in Gitmo, Amnesty would be up in arms. And yet people are paying seventy bucks a pop for it?!

841 doriangrey  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:17:49am

re: #805 smokefire

Vote McCain, or our world as we know it will disappear.
Dogs and Cats living together, etc etc. Can anyone tell me if I can immigrate to Israel if I can't speak Hebrew.

Sadness fills me when good people fail to understand simple concepts. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. That's what choosing the lessor of two evils is all about. There is no such thing as not making a choice. If you say both are evil therefore I will not choose either one, you are in fact saying I will allow evil to be completely unopposed. When you refuse to choose the lessor evil, you choose the greater evil by removing your own opposition to that evil. The greatest evil ever enacted under the sun is when good people refuse to resist evil.

There is no one pure, no not one. All have sinned, all have fallen short. Wake up.

842 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:17:53am

Hoosier, if you're out there, I responded to you yesterday just before the thread died. #590 in the McKinney thread, I believe.

843 smokefire  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:18:37am

re: #825 Maximu§

ARMY TRAINING SIR.

844 realwest  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:18:38am

re: #816 Miss Trixie
You're a MAN?!? WOW! And all this time I've been giving *smooochies* to you based on your a) photograph from a Texas meet-up) and b) your giving 'em to me!
/

845 jorline  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:18:56am

re: #829 midwestgak

{Joline}

I've so missed being here. If the economy is bad, it isn't effecting my workload. :)

We've been very busy at the restaurant also. We just finished a record week...go figure.

846 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:19:06am

re: #834 taxfreekiller

Just how good we are as a people is now being tested,
the grade will not be issued by NEA standards, it will be a real
lasting "F" if we allow Obama and the Democrats to gain one
ounce more power .

Thankfully, the American people have never let the country down when the rubber really hit the road. I believe they won't this time either.

Vote McClellan!

847 WriterMom  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:19:24am
848 yochanan  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:19:27am

re: #837 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Cool... where's he taking it?

My folks did that for me. It was great, though pretty awkward... not a lot to do at Ft Benning for an E2 with a few hours off and I didn't think they wanted to hit Liberty Drive and... er... do the sights.

i lived at ft benning and columbus ga in the early 60's i hope it has changed

849 x-wing  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:19:32am

re: #784 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... Thank you, but how about blessing my poor gum's instead...


Bless your gums, may they heal quickly and not keep you up at night.

/I hope the quack gave you some good drugs.

850 christheprofessor  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:20:03am

re: #838 galloping granny

You and me both. I do, for certain books, like to access "study questions" if they are available though. That was the kind of thing I was looking for, hoping to save myself having to stay two chapters ahead of the kiddo as I have a stack of books that need reviewing.

I hate PP presentations! But now that you mention it, maybe I will download the Gutenberg copy and do this the way that I did A Christmas Carol, since she really enjoyed that and there is so much to tie in to this book.

That sounds like an excellent plan!

I'm off to the dog park -- you all have a great one!

851 midwestgak  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:20:05am

re: #845 jorline

We've been very busy at the restaurant also. We just finished a record week...go figure.

I'd like an order of cheese fries to go please.

852 smokefire  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:20:15am

Vote McClellan!

General McClellan Sir?

853 redstateredneck  Thu, Oct 2, 2008 7:20:59am

re: #830 UFO TOFU