I repeat: it's satire.

Well, Thank goodness she didn't plagiarize anything from Neil Kinnock, that would have be the last straw!

Its a back alley bar street fight, the first and last hits are all that count.

Keep fighting to the end. You will win.

re: #1 Charles

I repeat: it's satire.

Very good satire, I might add.

VDH really carried it off beautifully!

Only conservatives will get this.

Well-timed and as usual well done, VDH.

It wasn't very nuanced.

/

Let's hope Joe shows up with some extra feet tonight, and sticks them all in his mouth.

It's very good. Still, Palin going to have to do the heavy-lifting on Biden today. If she can point out how wrong he is, especially on energy, she's got a good chance. I repeat, if she plays this debate like she played basketball, she should do well.

I could tell it was satire right away. After she referred to Biden as "good looking," when his best chance for the presidency is to become president of the Hair Club for Men. (Unlike the cute duo who ran for president/vp as Democrats 4 years ago, who had "better hair," than the Republicans.)

I have said it before and I will say it again: satire is a two-edged sword, especially in a campaign with as many overt falsehoods being promulgated as this one.

Hansen's satire is quite amusing for those of us who are a) aware of the double standard which forgives Biden's many gaffes while exaggerating or creating out of whole cloth those attributed to Palin, and; b) aware of just what those Biden gaffes are. But in a campaign such as this, where the bulk of Biden's gaffes have, in fact, been hidden or glossed over, however much pieces of this sort may comfort those of us who are news junkies and aware of these things, they in the end merely play to the choir, and do nothing to strengthen our own side.

To early for McCain and Palin to be way out front, the msm would lie them out of it,,, wait,wait until the last week, be on the up take, to late for the old msm hacks to change the narrative at the end.

be patient, cool it, "We the People" will pull it out for McCain , its our duty.

Brilliant!

My head hurts, the sarcasm smacked me so hard...

/and i liked it

Very funny. We all need a good laugh today.

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Given some of the defeatism around here lately, I think a little satirical preaching to the choir might help boost everyone's spirits a bit.

BBIAB

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Agreed. That's why she has to take the energy issue and hit Biden hard with it. She needs to be ready to get in on her own, as the moderator must be assumed hostile.

This may be satire, but I'm afraid tonight's debate will be dead serious with exchanges like this:

IFILL: Mrs. Palin, what is the worst mistake you ever made?

PALIN: *YADA, YADA...*

IFILL: Senator Biden, do you agree that *YADA YADA* is the most brilliant example of Mrs. Palin's incompetence or do you think that something like *YAK YAK* or *YADA YADA YADA* is even more illustrative of her inexperience and inability to be President?

I think I'll listen to 40's music on XM instead...

re: #1 Charles

I repeat: it's satire.

I didn't get it. But I can't spot satire.

Oh, ... IS it satire?!?!
*SOB*
/KosKid who'd got his hopes up

Kudos for VDH!

From "The Doctor Is In"

The vice presidential debate:

Gwen Ifill: The first question tonight is directed to Governor Palin. Governor, many people have raised the issue of your experience and qualifications to be vice president, or in the event of an untoward tragedy, to act as president. How would you address these concerns?

Sarah Palin: Thank you Gwen, I’m so glad you asked that. And before we start, I just wanted to congratulate you on your upcoming book to be released on January 20, “Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama” (Smiling sweetly) That’s so exciting! You know, Senator Obama wrote a book also — in fact, he’s written two of them. And of course, I have many disagreements with Senator Obama’s positions on a wide range of issues. But I read his books, and I was so impressed, especially by his humility.

You know, Gwen, right now we have a major housing crisis. And Senator Obama has handled one of these crises while he was in Chicago. He arranged a “land for favors” swap with Mr. Rezko, which resolved a small housing crisis in that city. And he did it for a little over $1 million — that’s sure a heck of a lot less money than Congress is talking about spending! Absolutely brilliant! Yet he never once mentioned it in either of his books — now that’s humility, and I admire it.

And you know, we have an education crisis in this country as well. Senator Obama spent several years on an education reform committee, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, with a true revolutionary in the world of education, William Ayres. Education hasn’t seen that kind of reform since the days of Karl Marx — his ideas were nothing less than explosive. Yet Senator Obama didn’t even mention this experience in either of his books. That’s humility we can work for.

You know, I’ve been working on a book myself. I don’t think it will be out before the election, but that’s the kind of experience I will bring to the White House.

I’m sorry, what was your question again, Gwen?

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

It's very good. Still, Palin going to have to do the heavy-lifting on Biden today. If she can point out how wrong he is, especially on energy, she's got a good chance. I repeat, if she plays this debate like she played basketball, she should do well.

"D_F" -

All 'y'all hit the nail on the head. My only question is whether the focus should be on Sen. Biden, the actual opponent or Gwen Ifil the questionably impartial referee. Perhaps the answer is to give them both "the elbow."

-S-

re: #18 CIA Reject

Another business dinner for my Male, tonight. So I will rely on all of you, tomorrow.

re: #21 jill e

I hope to God you work for McCain's campaign.

Though a little dose of satire
May lift spirits again
Satire is just a flat tire
On the McCain campaign.

Recently, for example, in an exclusive interview with news anchor Katie Couric, Palin gushed, “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’

VDH has it exacly backwards; it was Biden who said that, not Palin.

JUST KIDDING CHARLES!

Face it. We're all just bitter clingers.

Sometimes the jokes write themselves;

The Obama channel

The channel plays his two-minute ad laying out his economic plan on a loop, over and over.

First thing that comes to mind, the Ludoviko treatment. Strapped to a chair with your eyes forced open, forced to listen to the Glorious Leader drone about the economy.

re: #26 Occasional Reader

VDH has it exacly backwards; it was Biden who said that, not Palin.

Exactly the point; VDH is being satirical--but satire is something which is basically only appreciated by the pre-disposed in-crowd, and cuts against that which it is intended to support as soon as it is outside the in-crowd's precincts.

re: #29 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Obama Channel is red meat for LGF satirists. I can't wait.

re: #29 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sometimes the jokes write themselves;

Limbaugh is on a roll today!

I'll bet real money that some of VDH's attributions in that column wind up as dead-serious examples of Saracudda's unfitness on more than one leftie blog.

re: #27 Occasional Reader

JUST KIDDING CHARLES!

/bonk

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly the point; VDH is being satirical

Er, yes, and I was... oh, never mind.

GAWD DAYUM the Hadron Supercollider!

re: #21 jill e

UPDING ,, and I would add one more paragraph

Gwen, some on my side say that it is Senator Obam who doesn't have the experience to lead. I think that's just wrong. In fact, when he was a lawyer, Senator Obama led a class action suit against CitiBank forcing them to make no down payment, no credit check, no job history home loans to people that CitiBank KNEW would end up not paying. Senator Obama had the experience and knowledge and foresite to know these would never come back to haunt tyhe American people

re: #36 Occasional Reader

Er, yes, and I was... oh, never mind.
GAWD DAYUM the Hadron Supercollider!

Are you having a bad day. Oh, by the way, it was satire.
/

The sarcasm of your sarcasm is your genuiness.

re: #39 jamgarr

The sarcasm satire of your sarcasm satire is your genuiness.

re: #34 jwpaine

Yep.

The difference between me and a political lefty: I know that I don't get satire.

the debate SHOULD BE between Palin and Ifill, period

she should ignore Biden and go after the media in general

with every question, she should point out more examples of their in-the-tankness

don't even bother answering

send the question back with

so Gwen: how would you candidate answer that, if one of YOU IN THE BIASED MEDIA should dare ask it of "him" (echo)

or
so Gwen: I know the answer to that from Obama is in your book
but I have forgotten the page, can you help here ?

and again, ignore Biden

I needed a good laugh and that got it done.

re: #36 Occasional Reader

Er, yes, and I was... oh, never mind.

GAWD DAYUM the Hadron Supercollider!

Can we stop worrying about Global Warming and focus on the real problem now?.....The LHC!

I'm cereal!

A good whirlwind tour of the war and it's history:

They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

That 1929 FDR TV comment was so asinine that if anyone but the teflon-gaffe-machine had made it, it would now be on bumper stickers.

re: #42 Adrenalyn

...so Gwen: I know the answer to that from Obama is in your book but I have forgotten the page, can you help here ?...

According to Ifill, she has not written the chapter on Obama as of yet. I still think she is certainly going to be bias, but I just wanted to point this out.

VDH is on fire!

Jill e, #21 is brilliant and, I'd bet, not too far off the mark. She will hand Biden his a$$ and then ask him to pay five dollars for it.

Ifill is in the hot seat tonight, not Sarah.

I.Can't.Wait.

re: #41 Dianna

I know that I don't get satire.

Hm. I was going to run my idea about how the Irish should switch to cannbalism by you, but I guess I won't.

Don't know if this was posted, but why did McCain agree to Ifil as moderator:
The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book. The commission had no immediate comment when contacted by The Associated Press.

re: #37 sattv4u2

I'd add another

But above all, I'd like to put in a plug (no offense Joe) for Senator Obama's willingness to listen to every side when he learns about an issue. I mean, it took a lot of guts to sit at the feet of Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Communist Party USA, and take him on as a personal mentor. I'm sure this is the same willingness that will serve us well if he's elected and in charge of confronting a nuclear Iran. What better way to achieve peace in our time than to sit down with Ahmadinejad, who has pledged to wipe Israel off the map, without preconditions? Terrorists everywhere will take heart, lay down their weapons, and join us all in a campfire song about Hope and Change. That's the kind of open-mindedness that'll put an end to a lot of things.

re: #51 godfrey

I'd like to put in a plug (no offense Joe)

Ha!

re: #49 Occasional Reader

Hm. I was going to run my idea about how the Irish should switch to cannbalism by you, but I guess I won't.

Jonathan Swift already suggested that in 1729. Ah, it was satire.

re: #22 Dr. Shalit

"D_F" -

All 'y'all hit the nail on the head. My only question is whether the focus should be on Sen. Biden, the actual opponent or Gwen Ifil the questionably impartial referee. Perhaps the answer is to give them both "the elbow."

-S-

Aim at Biden, he's the one you need to puncture. That said, Palin should be afraid to be catty with Ifil if needed. Not at the start, but the first time Ifil throws in a biased question, Palin should (verbally) throw an elbow. This is nota time to be nice. I'm off to work, talk to you all after the debates.

Dianna:

You're purdy smart for a girl.

OT: I was reading some history of the Second World War and came accross an account of this little known battle, I think many LGFers will appreciate:

Battle of Bir-el Harmat

The Battle of Bir-el Harmat was an action during the Western Desert Campaign of World War II between 2 June and 11 June 1942. A small position at Bir-el Harmat was defended by a Zionist company composed of 400 volunteers from the Jewish Brigade under the orders of Major Liebmann. The unit was assigned there on May 1942 in the middle of the Libyan desert, without any heavy weapons nor anti-aircraft equipment, to set up minefields to prevent an encircling maneuver from the Axis forces.

This position, south of Bir-el Harmat, a dozen of kilometers north-northwest of Bir Hakeim, received on June 2 the visit of a German armored column, and an officer asked for the capitulation of the position. Liebmann refused, and a few hours later, a first Stuka raid bombed his company. Without any specific anti-aircraft defense, they suffered heavy casualties.

The two next days, the position was attacked by the Fiat M13/40 tanks of the Italian Ariete armored division, the same that attacked 5 days earlier, with no effect, Bir Hakeim's fortifications. Several of these tanks were destroyed by the mines barrage; a few tanks reached the center of the position, and the light-equipped volunteers had no other choices but to repulse them using Molotov cocktails.

They had no radio contacts with the other allied forces, but they turned to resist as relentlessly as the Free French Forces of Bir Hakeim did. The Axis armored forces attacked the position the June 5 and June 6, but the attacks were very ineffective since the defenders were hidden in personal dug holes; from the June 7, the armored divisions stopped attacking, and the position was bombed daily both by Stukas and by German artillery. Their well was bombed, but despite deprivation of water, the company did not surrender.

On June 10, the British campaign headquarters of the British 8th Army issued a retreat order for both this position and Bir Hakeim's. The Jewish company lost 75% of its men contributing, along with the Free French, to delay Rommel's offensive for 10 days (16 days of siege for Bir Hakeim).

Liebmann and his hundred surviving men abandoned their position on the 11th, rejoining during the night at Gasr-el-Abid the French and British forces. Yet, on June 11 morning, General Marie Pierre Koenig, in charge of Bir Hakeim fort, not even knowing about the Jewish presence in the surroundings, discovered with surprise that friendly unit which shared the same destiny as 1st Free French Division's. In perfect French, Major Liebmann told him that his men and himself were fighters from Palestine, but that they could not serve under their flag because of British rules. Koenig then told him to raise their Star of David flag, and all Free French officers around him saluted it.

Still on the Ifil thing:

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Ifill questions why people assume that her book will be favorable toward Obama.

"Do you think they made the same assumptions about Lou Cannon (who is white) when he wrote his book about Reagan?" said Ifill, who is black. Asked if there were racial motives at play, she said, "I don't know what it is. I find it curious."

Ifil obviously doesn't have the concept of "IMPARTIAL" down. It isn't that I think it would be favorable, it is that she is PART of the story, good bad and ugly.

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Jonathan Swift already suggested that in 1729. Ah, it was satire.

You forgot your sarc tag.

/

[okay, this is getting ridiculous]

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" -- Joe "Bluto" Biden.

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Aim at Biden, he's the one you need to puncture.

Actually, I like the idea someone had on the previous thread; Sarah should use Biden to get to Obama, who's the real target. Bring up how Biden has disagreed with Obama on so many things; tie Joe in knots. His vanity won't allow him to say "I'm wrong, Obama's right", so viewers will be treated to the spectacle of the VP candidate trashing the Presidential candidate, while trying not to.

It's an idea, anyway.

re: #49 Occasional Reader

Hm. I was going to run my idea about how the Irish should switch to cannbalism by you, but I guess I won't.

A friend of mine mentioned that his sister had never heard of A Modest Proposal (I'm not sure how that's possible?), and was utterly horrified when she read it.

re: #52 Occasional Reader

Palin: Now when it comes to paying $700 billion, I know some people (like you Joe) who are probably eager to put on some kinda hairshirt, but the rest of us? Not really.

re: #46 rednaxela

That 1929 FDR TV comment was so asinine that if anyone but the teflon-gaffe-machine had made it, it would now be on bumper stickers.

To which I will counter that in a nation where half the college students don't know when WWII or the Civil War occurred, have no idea when TV was invented or when FDR was President, it doesn't count as a gaffe.

Scary, but true.

re: #57 Celtic Templar

No matter who Ifill favors, she has a financial interest at stake in the outcome.
Her book will sell better if Obama wins. She's smart enough to know it's an ethical problem; she's just unethical enough to slide through it.

re: #55 jwpaine

Dianna:

You're purdy smart for a girl.

Hon, I'm brilliant!

At least in my own opinion.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

You forgot your sarc tag./
[okay, this is getting ridiculous]

And that is the subject of my newest play that I am working on. A contemporary take on Jonathan Swift's 1729 tract. It's called "A Modest Proposal" (what else) and deals with a bipartisan bill called House bill HB.1729, the “Poverty Reduction Act."

Catch it in a theatre near you. (I hope someday).

Biden is an idiot.

Discuss.

re: #50 Celtic Templar

Don't know if this was posted, but why did McCain agree to Ifil as moderator:
The host of PBS'"Washington Week" and senior correspondent on "The NewsHour" said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book.

Gosh, I hope she asks a lot of questions about ethics, don't you?

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

According to Ifill, she has not written the chapter on Obama as of yet. I still think she is certainly going to be bias, but I just wanted to point this out.

I have seen this same lame reply a million times already
and my anguish is not directed at you personally

but how can someone honestly say that when
duh !

Obama is in the title

the book is about HIM !

re: #67 Jetpilot1101

Biden is an idiot. Discuss.

Discuss what?

re: #67 Jetpilot1101

The motion passes.

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

Discuss what?

Touche. I retract my challenge.

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

and deals with a bipartisan bill called House bill HB.1729, the “Poverty Reduction Act."

But what about the wooden arrows for children? WON'T SOMEONE, PLEASE, THINK ABOUT THE WOODEN ARROWS FOR CHILDREN?!

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

According to Ifill, she has not written the chapter on Obama as of yet. I still think she is certainly going to be bias, but I just wanted to point this out.

Well, she's a liar. Whether she wrote it or not, she's partial to any outcome in this race.

re: #73 Occasional Reader

But what about the wooden arrows for children? WON'T SOMEONE, PLEASE, THINK ABOUT THE WOODEN ARROWS FOR CHILDREN?!

LOL - That will be my sequel.

re: #55 jwpaine

Dianna:

You're purdy smart for a girl.

She thinks she can fight, too. It's adorable.

JUST KIDDING DIANNA DON'T HIT ME!

re: #74 Celtic Templar

Well, she's a liar. Whether she wrote it or not, she's partial to any outcome in this race.

And I think I already agreed to that point in my post.

re: #73 Occasional Reader

The bill was introduced by Rep. Witch Hazel (D, Black Forest).

I simply wish palin would say, "I do not know" and leave it at that. If she does not know an answer, say that...do not try and stumble through it.

"It's a cookbook!" -- one-line review of Walter L. Newton's A Modest Proposal

Bush is an idiot. Credit is not frozen, it's only frozen for those idiots who have poor credit. Why must I work my tail off, build my credit and still bail people out who make poor choices?

re: #74 Celtic Templar

Well, she's a liar. Whether she wrote it or not, she's partial to any outcome in this race.

According to Ifill, she has not written the chapter on Obama as of yet. I still think she is certainly going to be bias, but I just wanted to point this out.

Well, she's a liar. Whether she wrote it or not, she's partial to any outcome in this race.

Oh, she's written it all right. She just hasn't written the ending.

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

And I think I already agreed to that point in my post.

Just pointing out your point and repeating until I fall over. She's a liar.

Whatever the ending she is imagining in her head is Obama win or lose, racial crap aside, it is impossible for her to be impartial.

OT

Bush made a statement on the bill vote tomorrow. Oh shut up. Do they let criminals make speeches from prison? I'm tired of hearing how this is going to help ME.

Oh, OT again, CEO of Ford says the money to the auto makers is NOT A BAILOUT.

Ok, back to our regular scheduled program. I'm not in a good mood today.

re: #82 redstateredneck

Oh, she's written it all right. She just hasn't written the ending.

Original quote said she has not written the Obama chapter yet (yeah I know, in a book title "The Age of Obama")

re: #80 jwpaine

"It's a cookbook!" -- one-line review of Walter L. Newton's A Modest Proposal

From the script...

"For every child, 2 years of age or younger, acquired by the United States Department of Agriculture Food and Nutrition Service, the parent of the child will receive either a cash payment of 2000 dollars or 3000 dollars will be deposited in a medical savings plan.
HB.1729 is designed to increase the income level of the family or single parent, which will help them to become a self-sustainable member of society, reduce our burden of over-population and break the cycle of crime that is prevalent among our low-income citizens.

This will also enable more parents to enter the job market, becoming freed from dependency on multiple government programs.

The act will not rely on taxpayers money. It will pay for itself from the sales of the food products created from the children enrolled in the program. The low cost of the food product will also benefit all Americans, as it can be used as a substitute for higher priced meats.

The full text of the act can be found in the books that I handed out. I will now be happy to answer any questions that you may have."

Ocassional Reader - it's ok, it's satire.

re: #1 Charles

I repeat: it's satire.

I wonder if my Lib friends would recognize it as such.

Someone should post this over at Kos.

*Chuckles*

That was very well done though I agree that only those who already know at least some of those gaffs will understand it or get it.

VDH is brilliant. And he'll sue the pants off a bunch of MSM Obamabots who will plagiarize this piece to smear Palin.

re: #60 Occasional Reader

Actually, I like the idea someone had on the previous thread; Sarah should use Biden to get to Obama, who's the real target. Bring up how Biden has disagreed with Obama on so many things; tie Joe in knots. His vanity won't allow him to say "I'm wrong, Obama's right", so viewers will be treated to the spectacle of the VP candidate trashing the Presidential candidate, while trying not to.

It's an idea, anyway.

"OR" -

Tonight is the night to throw everything, including the kitchen sink, its faucets, the dishwasher and perhaps a toilet bowl or three.

-s-

re: #28 Ezekiel2517

Face it. We're all just

Sarah Palin is McCains asset. If she does poorly tonight, it will be due to incompetence of the McCain Campaign. So far, they have managed to squander her in piss poor interviews with heavily left wing hacks and act like its just peachy. Stupid, thats what they've been. McCain can still win this election, but stupid and nice are gonna have to get tossed. Shit.

Occasional Reader (re: #76): Oh, I've seen Dianna's skill at evisceration online before, and my imagination is vivid enough that I don't want to discover whether she can fight or not.

I think it's just peachy that Senator Obama won his state Senate seat, months before a single vote was cast! He was able to disqualify all four of his opponents—including incumbent state senator, Alic Palmer (and a former Obama supporter—silly girl!). Senator Obama's petition challengers helped him find out all sorts of no-nos, like when registered voter's names were printed instead of signed. And gosh, one female voter got married after she registered to vote and actually had the nerve to sign her maiden name!

re: #1 Charles

I repeat: it's satire.

Nevertheless, the Kosturds will embrace it like holy gospel.

re: #76 Occasional Reader

She thinks she can fight, too. It's adorable.

JUST KIDDING DIANNA DON'T HIT ME!

You have got to come visit my dojang, OR.

Speaking as someone who is too nervous even to watch the debate (although I will be watching through the eyes of the lizards) I hope Sarah spends her time as follows:
20%: outlining what she and McCain will do
and
80%: nicely but dismissively, ripping Obama and Biden new ones

re: #21 jill e

outstanding!

Anybody else seen this bit of anti-Palin fearmongering?

re: #82 redstateredneck

Oh, she's written it all right. She just hasn't written the ending.

Hey {red}! How are you?

CHARLES - thank you for this thread. Especially after the last thread and just before the debate tonight.
I find it absolutely incredible that Gwen isn't stepping down, nor, except for Fox, is anyone in the MSM questioning this.
If Gwen Ifill "moderating" this debate isn't a blatant conflict of interest, I'll be damned if I know one.
(and my apologies if this has been said before, I haven't had the chance to read the thread - too busy fighting with View from Ireland JustMyView on the prior thread.

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

Now that's satire.

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else seen

re: #100 Beach Lover

Hey {red}! How are you?

{beachie}!
I had to leave for a bit to do the 'w' word and almost missed you. I'm good; what's up with you?

re: #103 Beach Lover

that is just plain mind boggling.

The cross on the capitol dome was enough for me.