Palin owns energy, this is not Biden's strong suit at all.

Clean coal taken out of context?

Carbon cap and trade.

Biden's a broken record on McCain's voting record on alternative energy.

Gay rights question.

He's not making sense. The oil has to come from somewhere, Joe. Why not from the USA where we well honor standards.

Joe's for clean coal.

And dirty tricks.

-WFH

She's stumbling a bit.

there's a commercial.

biden saying he supports coal here then a clip from the ropeline telling the meanie greenie there will be no coal in america

she's getting stronger

Tolerance, says Palin.

I'm getting a headache trying to comment and listen at the same time. I think it's my age.

Awesome answer on gay marriage!

Gays are under the bus!

Is this one faster than the last one? Thread I mean.

Uh oh - I hope Barry got that memo about gay marriage. QUICK! Change the website!

re: #7 ciaospirit

She's stumbling a bit.

Thirty-eight minutes in. Sprint is over. Now it's a distance race.

Even debate, Biden slight edge.

Foreign policy. Give 'em hell Sarah!

Neither wants gay marriage.

Charles PLEASE don't put that mogly video thing on this thread! It kills my timing. Pretty please.

Here we go with Iraq...

Yes, hit them on the surge and troop funding!

YES!

Oh boy, foreign policy. C'mon Sarah!

re: #13 Sharmuta

Gays are under the bus!

Hate crime!
/

Oh that was funny! You called him out!

Go Sarah!

Tagging Obama on voting against funding for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and citing Biden's criticism of 0bama.

Great job!

nice, using his words against him

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"You called Obama out on that"

BEAUTIFUL!

We've already left 11 out of 18 provinces in Iraq - including Anbar province - giving it to the Iraqis

did he just say obama is working with the President on an Iraq plan?

There's just something about Sarah Palin saying "withdrawal" that makes me grin...

Obama has a clear plan? McCain is odd man out? What?

Joe, a timeline will only alert our enemies as to what we're going to do, dude.

The Iraqis ARE taking responsibility for their country.

Obama's 16 month BS was going to start 36 months ago! Nail him on that Sarah!

We will surrender!

We will end this war!
-Biden

Your plan is a white flag of surrender.
-Palin

The Iraq drawdown is not Obama's plan Joe. It is what George has called for all along. Iraq stands up, We stand down.

Biden wants a timeline.

/he used to want a partition, I suppose we're making progress

White flag of surrender.

Ow.

How Fwench.

White flag! She said it! Oh I love her. My husband, who is watching this in uniform, is cheering!

"Your plan is a white flag of surrender......" awesome line

Obama DID admit that it worked.....after vehemently denying it on occasion after occasion after occasion. LOL.

She's getting feisty...

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Sarah's main problem is that she was prepped by McCain's team, which is mainly clueless.

I love her using his words against him.

Sarah is killing him. Absolutely killing him.

Tagging Biden for his praise of McCain and criticism of 0bama.

Bwahahaha!

BAM! Hope she has enough shells in her pockets, cause she's been hitting him hard.

Ouch!

Hey Biden, it had a timeline.....jeezus you idiot

bypassing spinning circle

re: #50 Charles

Sarah is killing him. Absolutely killing him.

And doing it with a charming smile to boot.

now way - he didn't just try to suggest that mccain voted against funding the troops; how does he get away with this crap

There's a difference between feisty and shrill, Sarah... settle

I say again - ouch - that one still hurts!

Gooooooooooooooo Sarah!

When has BO been right? WHEN?

WTF Biden

re: #45 TheMatrix31

Obama DID admit that it worked.....after vehemently denying it on occasion after occasion after occasion. LOL.

Not exactly. He gave a huge share of credit to the tribes.

A recent poll just came out that said the Iraqis consider W to be a national hero. THERE are the facts.

Sarah is holding her own. No matter how the msm spins this she is in the game.

Biden trying to tie McCain to nonfunding of troops won't work with Joe Sixpack. His support of the military is beyond question

McCain has been dead wrong on the fundamental issues about the war in Iraq.
--Biden

What color is the sky on your planet, Sen. Biden?
--Dar ul Harb

re: #58 devil in baggy pants

That was not shrill. That made a career Army 1SG almost weep. The soldiers amongst us know what that means.

re: #58 devil in baggy pants

There's a difference between feisty and shrill, Sarah... settle

That's how women sound, you duffus.

She just nailed him on the war. No getting around it. Big points for Sarah, there.

iran - within 4 years or less, even perhaps 6 months

re: #50 Charles

Sarah is killing him. Absolutely killing him.

I thought she started out slow, but has improved.

re: #57 politicalinsomniac

now way - he didn't just try to suggest that mccain voted against funding the troops; how does he get away with this crap

Oh yes he did and Ifill didn't give Palin a chance to respond.

Betcha she'll bring it up in this rebuttal =)

With a 98se system, finding a live feed that doesn't require an upgrade of my OS was a bit of a challenge. This one is working for me, but requires IE and active-X enabled:
[Link: www.newsvirginian.com...]

Joe lips move. Joe no say anything.

Pakistan has not said that Israel must die, Joe. Are you paying attention?

pakistan has nukes

good reason not to invade like obama wants

Sarah, please hit Biden with his comment on Israel living with a nuclear Iran, and too bad for you Israel.

Notice that Biden is focusing on "John." That's how they've decided to play it -- just put Sarah on the sidelines, so they don't get accused of bullying.

Biden's making sense—who coached him?

re: #71 Ward Cleaver

I think she is very nervous. I feel bad for her, but that image will stick with people. She needs to stop smiling and get serious.

45 minutes. Half-way in. Trouble breathing - not Sarah, but me. Been holding my breath too much.

Is anyone keeping track of their minutes. Ifill is giving Biden every follow-up, and then leading back to him. He's got at least 60% of the time. Palin needs to step in when Biden is playing with the truth, and then getting off the hook with Ifill's next question.

Biden bringing up Pakistan.

He's just asking for Palin to tag him on 0bama's threat to attack Pakistan.

SayRAH!

SayRAH!

SayRAH!

SayRAH!

SayRAAAAAAAH!

Great Britain has nukes! Let's invade them!

Ahmadhinejad is not sane or stable.
--Palin

uh oh, Nucular

Not Nucular dammit!

The peaceniks must want to retch when Biden and Obama talk tough about Pakistan....

"beyond naivete" Say it, Sarah!

nuk-ya-ler

:sigh:

Yeah Sarah, please make that point!

FactCheck.org should have a field day with Biden on this one.

Of course, they'll split it down the middle, claiming they each had the same number of lies/half-truths/factually-challenged statements.

Halfway through.

/so far so good

I don't know if you are all watching the same debate as I am. Sarah is cleaning Joe's clock! You go girl! She has him on the ropes.

re: #79 David IV of Georgia

Biden's making sense—who coached him?

What debate are you watching?

re: #85 Ward Cleaver

Great Britain has nukes! Let's invade them!

huh?

Palin strong on Israel.

re: #67 ArmyWife

That was not shrill. That made a career Army 1SG almost weep. The soldiers amongst us know what that means.

Ah, I'm a former soldier myself. I just know how the press will spin it if she seems like she's going off the rails is all.

No offense intended.

Yeah!

Ifill is coming off as the lightweight in this debate.

She nailed him on the meeting with the dinner jacket.

re: #97 spidly

huh?

Using Obama's logic.

re: #78 Charles

Notice that Biden is focusing on "John." That's how they've decided to play it -- just put Sarah on the sidelines, so they don't get accused of bullying.

And yet she's brought her A game against Biden, and is easily keeping up with him on foreign policy. If she keeps this up, it's a big win.

Is it an Alaskan dialect thing to say 'also' a lot?

Biden has that same disrespectful smirk as Obama.

Ifill's first 0bama slanted question. Secretary's of State wrong, Gov. Palin?

I feel like two Dems are debating. She's sprouting McCains populists crap.

But doing it well.

Biden saying "Barack Obama was right!" sounds like Baghdad Bob in 2003.

BULLSHIT, JOE. BHO said he wanted to sit down with ShortShit!

Obama DID say to sit down with Dinnerjacket!

What a fucking LIAR LIAR LIAR

Finally, I can get in! The hamsters need to be shot up with steroids. It seems like it is getting hung up on loading the sidebars.

Anyway, on with the show!

Way too much Botox.

talk talk talk

bull, he said unconditionally

Pakistan's nuclear weapons, on missiles, can reach Israel?

/whoa, call the NYT, THAT'S NEWS TO ME

What the heck is Biden talking about - Obama didn't say to talk to Achmidinijad? Where has he been? He lies!

Joe lies.

She's holding her own on foreign relations. This was where she was supposed to be weak, but she did better than expectations.

Biden is an accomplished liar and trying his best to spin.......it really looks as if he is on the defensive.

That's not true, Obama certainly did say he would meet without precondition. He said it at one of the Democratic debates IIRC.

Biden keeps lying. why doesn't his nose start growing. now that would be funny

I love her, but it's n-u-c-l-e-a-r.

#73

Windows 98? Drop $5 at a garage sale for a TV.

Biden's little non-talking gestures are entirely prick-esque.

Is she winning big?

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

What's wrong with that? That's how we say it in Texas, sounds good to me.

re: #112 devil in baggy pants

Obama DID say to sit down with Dinnerjacket!

What a fucking LIAR LIAR LIAR

Biden is a democrat, that's what democrats do.......................

Joe Biden is making my head hurt. And I have to turn away really fast when those teeth are showing...

She is kicking ass and telling it like it is.

I love it.

bypassing spinning comment, sorry

Yeah, bush sent a high ranking diplomat but he didn't go, which is the point

I'd rather see her be a bit angry than smiley sweet.

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Biden off camera looks like he is about ready to loose it !

Sarah just sent a crushing blow across the bow of the Obama campaign. She continues to get stronger as this debate continues.

2 states?

DID SHE JUST AGREE TO THE 2 STATE SOLUTION?!?!?

Holy shit that's disappointing.

Ifill on Israel-Palestinian issue. What has W's administration done right or wrong?

You talk with an enemy only when you are in a position of superiority over them. When you have them over a barel, f'rex.

re: #95 GeeWiz

I don't know if you are all watching the same debate as I am. Sarah is cleaning Joe's clock! You go girl! She has him on the ropes.

Agreed 100%. Sarah is doing better than anyone thought by leaps and bounds. She is amazing!

She needs to pile it on hard !

re: #79 David IV of Georgia

Biden's making sense—who coached him?

Popcorn's gone and too much brandy—he sounded reasonable for a minute.

Gwen's probably loopy from the painkillers (broken leg).

I hate the 2 state solution. They are a bunch of terrorists... give them nothing!

2 state solution yes - Israel and Jordan.
Israel isn't our "strongest and best ally" in the mideast - it is our ONLY ally in the mideast. The others just take our money while screwing us.

Biden is losing it.

/off the Obama campaign instructions/reservation

re: #109 Rancher

I feel like two Dems are debating. She's sprouting McCains populists crap.

But doing it well.

you'd think the collapse of global warming might get a mention

re: #50 Charles

She's getting stronger, but I think the problem is that there's simply so many places to attack that if you don't hit every one of 'em it looks like she's failing.

Meanwhile, who's actually going to fact check anything Biden says tonight in the media? It surely isn't going to be MSNBC or CNN or the NYT? And where exactly does the Dems stand on clean coal? They believe in man made global warming, but support clean coal? There's something not quite right in that - and what about all the Dems who say they're for alternative energy block alternative energy when it's proposed in their backyards - NIMBY. If the problems are as bad as Dems claim, why block siting them where they can do the most good.

re: #57 politicalinsomniac

now way - he didn't just try to suggest that mccain voted against funding the troops; how does he get away with this crap

Its not a gaff, its not a lie, its the fantasy world that he lives in.

Gov Palin seems like she is talking to the people far better and far more than Biden. This should be playing very well in flyover country......not that the MSM will acknowledge it.

BTW - I just tuned in, did Ifill admit her conflict of interest?

No no no to the two state solution (problem!)

But putting embassy in Jerusalem...

yeah, that's what Bush said, too.

Watch for a Biden mistake when flames come out of his ears

Palin: Israel as a "peace seeking nation."

Building our embassy in Jerusalem....

Not so happy with the two state bit. Will call her in the morning...

I'm listening, and not watching. Looking at the PC.

No one has been a better friend to Israel than "Joe Biden," now what about Barak Obama?
Um?

talking about himself in the third person, oh brother

Uh, Joe, referring to yourself in the third person is kind of weird.

omg, Barak shares his passion for Israel? G-d i hate this whole farce

She is doing a good job and getting more comfortable.

By-passing the spinny ball from hell.

Biden a friend of Israel? You mean telling them to live with a nuclear Iran?

I like the way her mouth moves around when she talks! It's hypnotizing!

brezinski!?

Biden makes a good point about W's support for elections in the West Bank.

re: #88 CyanSnowHawk

Not Nucular dammit!

Who really cares?

What's that about Hezbollah?

"We kicked, with France, Hizballah out of Lebanon"... huh?!

It is easy and safe for everyone to say "two state" solution because it will never happen. The only two state solution is if Jordon, Lebanon, and Egypt give up their territory to create a palestinian state.

re: #117 Killian Bundy

Pakistan's nuclear weapons, on missiles, can reach Israel?

/whoa, call the NYT, THAT'S NEWS TO ME

they can, but only in the universe where FDR did his HDTV side chats

Biden's flopping about Iran.

Biden wants to legitimize Hezb'Allah?

Change the policy with Israel - what does Brezinski believe? forcing Israel to give land away no matter what?

WTF was that loud snort from Plugs?

Was that just a hiss of anger from Joey Plugs?

Just got here. How goes it?

She is great! Glad we agree with this! No more blame game!

Joe's lying again.
He doesn't care how 0bama feels about Israel.

Ifill admit her conflict of interest? Please.

she should have nailed him on Israel

re: #128 ArmyWife

What's wrong with that? That's how we say it in Texas, sounds good to me.

Pet peeve is all. Like saying "for all intensive purposes".

It bugs me, but not enough to make a big deal out of it. But seriously, how hard is it to say ˈnü-klē-ər.

ach

go! sarah go!

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When did the US and France kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon?

re: #139 devil in baggy pants

DID SHE JUST AGREE TO THE 2 STATE SOLUTION?!?!?

Holy shit that's disappointing.

/everybody agrees to that, it's just a matter of borders, and it will never work, but that's besides the point until we get there

I like the look back comment-she's warming up. I can hear it in the voice.

Two-state solution. Ugh.

What a breath of fresh air!

Why isn't Palin nailing Biden on some of the easiest issues like why our economy is going to crap? Biden said Obama's administration would allow Bankruptcy courts to reduce the principle they owe. WTF? Isn't that what got us into the economic crapfest we are in now? Banks are failing BECAUSE people aren't paying back what they owe!

She owns him.

How can go go forward if all you do is point your finger backward...

re: #120 Sharmuta

She's holding her own on foreign relations. This was where she was supposed to be weak, but she did better than expectations.

She's impressing me quite a bit here on foreign relations. Like I said before, it's that left-wing happy-troll Katie Couric who went out of her way to make Governor Palin look bad.

BTW, nice to see the hamsters back up and running. Had to read Hot Air during the duration.

Wow, I love how she mocks him by being surprised that he shares (albeit fake support) with her on a love for Israel!

re: #151 Syrah

No, it's Biden parsing......McCain did vote against closure on a Democrat bill for funding (one of the 42 failed Democrat attempts) because of the timeline being forced on the Administration by the surrender monkeys. But that is nothing close to the votes that Biden and Obama did on every one of the funding efforts including the ones that did pass and provided funding for the troops.

"No one in the Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden."

Riigght.

And trying to give Yasser Arafat about $175 Mil with no strings attached for "humanitarian purposes"? How many Rockets from Gaza would that buy, Joe?

/he's really starting to turn my stomach, now

cheers

eon

Biden is freaking out on "George bush's"

NATO said NO to troops in Lebanon! Not just the USA. France was against it, and they should know. The troops would have been seen as Israeli allies.

Remember the October 1983 bombing? That was pointed out to people who wanted NATO in there.

We are definitely seeing signs of the old Sarah.

"rah rah rah george bishes!"

getting a little unhinged and Kos like there Joe

georgebushes
georgebushes
georgebushes
georgebushes

"Georgebushes...georgebushes...georgebushes"

Joe doesn't pay attention.
so he sees what he wants to see.

Bush. Bush. Bush. BDS.

What a moron he is. Such an orator.

Here comes the Bush 3rd term screed.

but what are those significant changes? words, just words

Here's what Palin has to say - "George Bush's policy is victory for the US, John McCain's policy is victory for the US, and my policy is victory for the US - not surrender, not withdrawal......in that, and only that, are the policies the same."

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sorry

refresh doesn't help!

re: #196 Mr. Hamlet

Why isn't Palin nailing Biden on some of the easiest issues like why our economy is going to crap? Biden said Obama's administration would allow Bankruptcy courts to reduce the principle they owe. WTF? Isn't that what got us into the economic crapfest we are in now? Banks are failing BECAUSE people aren't paying back what they owe!

Because Ifill is trying like hell to keep the topic on foreign soil. She hasn't gotten her millions from her book yet.

I'm having a nasty cringe every time she says "nucular."

McCain is Bush...McCain is Bush...McCain is Bush... ad nauseam.

re: #191 Palandine

When did the US and France kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon?

No, it was France and Joe Biden. Don't you remember?

/

Sen. Palin, what is the policy for U.S. use of nuclear weapons?

I think someone can make a rap song with that last Biden George Bush stuck record rant.

Anyone else notice the veins popping out on Commie Joe's forehead?

New comments button sticking.....can't get fix.......must move on.....

She says "nuckulur".

Oy

RE: the smiling.... here in the south, we can that the Velvet Hammer.

She's got it going. :-)

new commercial

Joe doesn't know who he's running against
"georgebushes
georgebushes
georgebushes
georgebushes"

If the Palestinians wanted a state, it would have happened decades ago. Their goal isn't a state...it is the elimination of Israel.

Palin deflected the question, rather inartfully.

OHHHHH, the air raiding comment! Shiite!

George Bush, George Bush, George Bush! Jeez, these leftists are starting to sound like Jan Brady.

Woaw. Drudge already has a poll up:

BIDEN
22% 977
PALIN
74% 3,287
NEITHER
4% 170

Total Votes: 4,434

Slap at Obama's "air-raiding villages" in Afghanistan remark.

Ha.

I propose a bill that would mandate that all Americans learn to say "new-klee-er".

George Bush - George Bush - George Bush - Citienz Arrest - Citienz Arrest! - Said in Gomer Pyle accent...

Why does he refer to himself in 3rd person. What a horse's ass. I have a sneaking suspicion he's flat out making crap up. Can he sneak in that his wife are daughter were killed by a drunk driver?

Liar.

The UN is owned by Hezbollah in Lebanon. It's a joke.

Surge prinicples will not work in Afghanistan, sez Biden.

He's on record.

A surge for Afghanistan.
?
But if McCain was for the idea it IS proof he differs from Bush.....Joe.

LET.ME.SAYYYY.IT.AGGGAIN.......

You aren't demonstrating even a passing acquaintance with facts, JOe.

OK, Joe is flustered and blowing it

Did what he just said about Afghanistan make any sense?

Sarah is making Joe her beyotch.

Biden does very well if you don't fact check him.

re: #238 Dar ul Harb

Surge prinicples will not work in Afghanistan, sez Biden.

But then he said we need more troops there. Isn't that a surge?

Biden floundering the answer a bit, too.

"We need more troops, we need government building, we need more infrastructure."

Hey, I thought the Dems were against "nation-building"!

Make up your mind, Joe.

/what mind?

cheers

eon

Joe is confused.

So much for the Palin failure. She's kickin' butt right now. My instincts were right this time.

He sighed loudly?

I think Biden is about to try and punch her like that guy in McDonald's.

Another huge Biden sigh.

Love it.

re: #244 ciaospirit

Did what he just said about Afghanistan make any sense?

No. But, of course, Commie Joe (as I will call him after his comments about wealth redistribution earlier) never makes much sense.

This is like watching a carnival barker in a slap match with my mom.

Just Kick him where it counts mom!

Deep breath.... Biden frustrated ready to blow !

She is having to correct Joe, but she looks nervous.

She needs to go in and take a bite out of him.

Relaxing now that she is looking at him. Challenge his sorry ass.

I think she got mad on McLellan.

re: #247 ciaospirit

But then he said we need more troops there. Isn't that a surge?

Palin's pwning Biden on this question, talking authoritatively about counterinsurgency.

Sarah Palin, having been on the national stage for only 5 weeks, is looking as strong if not stronger than a man who has been in the US Senate for 36 years.

She's got him on the ropes and he's foundering. And he smirks, and boy, that does not come off good.

I get the feeling Joe doesn't like having his lunch being eaten by a woman.

I think Biden may be sick (there's a creeeping crud in St. Louis), but he sounds like he's grunting and sighing into the mic, which is calling to mind Al Gore in 2000.

re: #246 godfrey

Biden does very well if you don't fact check him.

That's a problem because the moonbats won't fact check. They go by feeeeelings.

Did someone say Joe Biden is a foreign policy expert? Ha.

Is it just me, or does the question "When Should Nuclear Weapons Be Used?" seem a little... what's the word I'm looking for here?

LOL, He is struggling now!,, UM UM,

re: #247 ciaospirit

But then he said we need more troops there. Isn't that a surge?

"But barack obama says...

george bishes!"

Nice exasperated sigh, Biden, you prick.

NUCULAR

Its an accent.

Accept it.

re: #249 eon

"We need more troops, we need government building, we need more infrastructure."

Hey, I thought the Dems were against "nation-building"!

Make up your mind, Joe.

/what mind?

cheers

eon

It's the Dem strategy in the US - they have built the government, not the nation.

re: #232 Catttt

Woaw. Drudge already has a poll up:

BIDEN
22% 977
PALIN
74% 3,287
NEITHER
4% 170

Total Votes: 4,434

Okay, but it's a Drudge site poll. I'd love to not have to say this, but; doesn't mean much.

re: #265 POTUS

Did someone say Joe Biden is a foreign policy expert? Ha.

Yeah - Bill Clinton.

Dontcha just love Joe's repeated "she's a darling innocent little child" looks?

He's killing himself.

Oh, now Biden admits the Commanding General in Afghanistan said something other than what he claimed.

Translation; he just admitted that he lied.

cheers

eon

Interesting, a question about Darfur...

"Bosniaks?"

bosniaks?

He's lying about Lugar!

bypassing new comments

There's a poppy funded Islamic caliph in Bosnia now, nice job Joe!

Biden is interventionist on Bosnia, Darfur, etc. Is this something American people can stomach.

Palin should tag Biden's partition plan on Iraq now!

I used to own a Bosniac. It broke down all the time.

His little smart-ass grin is gone.

I was against going into Iraq before I was for it?
A no fly zone in Darfur? WTF?

She keeps making Joe lose his cool. Every time Ifill tries to allow Joe to get it back, Gov. Palin keeps getting under his skin.

Good God, how many times must one invoke Dick Lugar?

Why is Darfur important, but Rwanda was not?

Sarah is doing great. Surge principles WILL work in Afghanistan.

Has anyone else noticed the increasing frequency of those exasperated sighs Joe keeps giving every time Sarah speaks? Methinks he's getting increasingly rattled because she's actually hitting back instead of just babbling incoherently like he expected her to...

Isn't this something the holy UN should be taking care of.

BOZNIAKS? BOZNIAKS? WTF

re: #270 experiencedtraveller

NUCULAR

Its an accent mispronunciation.

Accept it.

Fixt!