This was Convention Sarah again. Wonderful.

surgically enhanced

LOL

Sarah:1
Biden:0

And YES, I wish she had brought up ACORN and Ayers and "let's send two hundred million to Iran". But still, I am happy.

Who is Rachel Maddow?

She came, she saw, she kicked Biden's ass!

We win! Celebrate, lizards, battle afresh in the morn.

What a relief. She has kept the Republicans alive.

Sarah won and I'm a happy conservative.

Awesome!

Anybody catch Biden's "adult supervision" comment? Where he said he'd be in the office with Obama at all times?

Do Joe's eyes always look like he's had an eye-lift?

4 point lead by Saturday.

Who is that dumb blonde bimbo on FOXNews?

re: #5 MandyManners

Who is Rachel Maddow?

air america nutter

Fox is giving glowing reviews.

re: #14 Jetpilot1101

Who is that dumb blonde bimbo on FOXNews?

Cheryl Crowley, I think....

re: #14 Jetpilot1101

Who is that dumb blonde bimbo on FOXNews?

Kirsten Powers. I think.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

And YES, I wish she had brought up ACORN and Ayers and "let's send two hundred million to Iran". But still, I am happy.

Leave that for campaign ads. There's not enough time in debates to lay out all of Barry's dirty laundry.

Biden did well, stayed within the lines, no gaffs. Sarah was Sarah and rocked. I knew she would do fine, I'm on record on LGF.

re: #5 MandyManners

Who is Rachel Maddow?

Oh Mandy. That's a writhing pit of snakes I am not sure you want to visit. Be warned.

/new political commentator for MSNBC, formerly of Air America.

//toxic

re: #18 ciaospirit

Kirsten Powers. I think.

She is about as articulate as a bag of hammers and about as bright as a box of rocks.

re: #5 MandyManners

Air America 'talent' - far left, just not as drunk or rude as Randi Rhodes.....a fav of Olberidiot - now has a show on MSNBC - the Obama Network.

McCain should highlight Biden when he said "talk, talk, talk" about Iran. (And meant it.)

re: #14 Jetpilot1101

Who is that dumb blonde bimbo on FOXNews?

How can you tell 'em apart?

re: #12 MandyManners

Do Joe's eyes always look like he's had an eye-lift?

If Biden nicks himself shaving, he splits like a tomato.

re: #18 ciaospirit

Dueling answers. I wonder which of us is right?

I missed it. Who won?

Geez ...here comes Frank Luntz.

/at least his "undecideds" seem to like Sarah.

Wow. The Frank Lunz (sp?) group overwhelmingly say Sarah won. FWIW.

I don't know....

I think Palin definitely held her own against Biden, and for that she deserves IMMENSE credit. She may have even have re-energized the conservative base.

I am just not convinced that it was enough.

I don't believe independents will have been swayed to vote McCain after tonight.

It comes down to how much you want to believe the polls... I don't think the GOP will slide after tonight, but I don't think the polls are going to even out either.

I'm waiting for the next Presidential debate -- and hope and pray that McCain wins a knock out.

re: #28 zombie

I missed it. Who won?

The United States of America

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Wow. The Frank Lunz (sp?) group overwhelmingly say Sarah won. FWIW.

It was split last time, this is looking good.

Georgebushes... Georgebushes... Georgebushes.
There. Did that scare ya?
--Biden (almost)

re: #4 Occasional Reader

And YES, I wish she had brought up ACORN and Ayers and "let's send two hundred million to Iran". But still, I am happy.

the red meat stuff doesn't go over well with the undecided voter
angry joe surely turned people off

Lundt's (sp) Focus group on FOX, almost everybody says Sarah won.

re: #28 zombie

I missed it. Who won?

The Saraccuda ate Biden alive..............

She came across as strong and more than capable to be Vice President.

FANTASTIC!

Focus group says absolutely Palin is qualified. How about that.

re: #33 JSK1121

It was split last time, this is looking good.

A couple of real moonbats in there... you can tell.

re: #22 Jetpilot1101

Not at all true. Kirsten is pretty reasonable for a lib (excuse the contradiction in terms). She is certainly no moonbat.

I think she was very professional and, dare I say, inspirational as well. She will be President.

re: #11 stuiec

Anybody catch Biden's "adult supervision" comment? Where he said he'd be in the office with Obama at all times?

That actually calms my nerves a bit if Obama were to get elected.

Keep him on the leash Joe!

Hey, I finally got on LGF!

Is Joe Biden running for Vice-President or President. Except for his required references to Obambi, I couldn't tell.

listen to the fox focus group hollywood
they believed you some, now they'll hate you

re: #38 babes

She came across as strong and more than capable to be Vice President.

FANTASTIC!

Deftly turned aside the "experience" question by bringing up her policies as governor.

Guy says he felt it was a 9/11 moment. We're not gonna take it anymore.

I think Sarah showed she has a grasp on the issues, and that was what the msm has been trying to paint her as lacking. Since she showed them wrong, and was charming to boot, I think Sarah won.

re: #41 MJBrutus

Oh, she definitely has her moonbat moments.

No matter what happens with the November election we have had the pleasure to experience at this moment a rising star for conservatism. Thanks Sarah - job well done!

I love the dial scores. I don't care who the focus group favors, I like to see how the group thinks. We'll see it in the polling data.

re: #31 Joo-LiZ

Agreed. She did dispel the moronic "dumb Sarah" mythology though, that the leftists have been working so hard to create.

re: #32 guzziguy

The United States of America

AMEN!

Biden talked to Ifill. Palin talked to America.

Does Frank Lundt have enough Budweiser signs on his set?

Good grief.

let us not lose faith again.

re: #44 ggt

Nothing but knees and elbows, ggt! Glad you got on. :)

BTW the moderator was just great IMHO.

I loved her, I loved her, I loved her! Slam dunk in my book!

she came, she saw, she conquered.

Sarah the Slasher.

Who says that McCain doesn't have a pulse on the American people?

Tina Fey is out of a job now.

Nice debate, but if Old Plugs said "back in my hometown" one more time I would not have been able to make this post.

/*drink*
//btw was anyone following the Canadian leaders debate?

re: #55 Charles

Does Frank Lundt have enough Budweiser signs on his set?

Good grief.

Be glad he didn't have a can in his free hand...

Ayers, Wright, Raines, Johnson, Rezco, infantacide, immigration .... all these issues will be amped up and exposed from here on out ...

It was wonderful. Fox and Rush will decorticate Biden tomorrow and conservatives can perk up

The debate was at the Anheiser Busch HQ-- hence the signs!

She is a lovely woman in every possible way. I'm so proud.

re: #58 Rancher

She had to be. Any hint of bias against Palin and she would have nothing but book sales to live on.

re: #58 Rancher

BTW the moderator was just great IMHO.

Nah, she let Joe cheat on time in several instances.

Well, I had the sense, as I listened, that she was doing much better than Biden, but I thought perhaps I was thinking that because I like her so much, and because I wanted her to do better. So it's nice to see I wasn't wrong.

re: #31 Joo-LiZ

I don't know....

I think Palin definitely held her own against Biden, and for that she deserves IMMENSE credit. She may have even have re-energized the conservative base.

I am just not convinced that it was enough.

I don't believe independents will have been swayed to vote McCain after tonight.

It comes down to how much you want to believe the polls... I don't think the GOP will slide after tonight, but I don't think the polls are going to even out either.

I'm waiting for the next Presidential debate -- and hope and pray that McCain wins a knock out.

McCain started losing because he returned to Washington for the bailout mess. He got off his maverick/outsider message and became part of the Washington mess. The big question is if he can come back from that.

Sarah Palin repaired some of the outsider appeal.

who is this bald headed creepy freek on ABC -- HE is scary!

I wonder how that blogger from "10 Zen Monkeys" from an earlier thread is feeling about Sarah now?

Bet she's writing "I *heart*/hate Sarah" all over her walls right now.

Frank Lunz's focus group loved Sarah, almost every one of them.

[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...] palin win? vote

Peggy Noonan , on NBC , just said that Sarah Palin "KILLED" - she said this was Sarah Palin's night - it was all Sarah Palin.

I thought Noonan was going to jump out of her chair with glee - she said "Palin Killed" at least 4 times. Brian Williams just sat there with his mouth open.

CNN Focus Group:

"Has anyone decided to vote John McCain after tonight?"
I saw one hand go up.

The Focus Group is overwhelmingly for Obama.

Straight from the McCain camp apparently. Biden's 14 lies:

[Link: minx.cc...]

Spinmeisters going with Palin!

Frank Lutz's group, I mean- the audio was horrible.

Sarah broke Joe's chia pet.

The Dems will be poo pooing this performance en masse any minute now.

The Obama ones will be feeling very threatened by this. Look for a total personal trashing attempt to follow.

she was brilliant, natural, delightful, informative,
she connected to the american people. she has won the crowd.
and that includes the smiling biden.
who talked too damn much. which was good for us.
most of his words were noise.
we just waited for sarah, all of her words counted.

Even the Daily Kos admits she won. Darn!

re: #63 BlueCanuck

Nice debate, but if Old Plugs said "back in my hometown" one more time I would not have been able to make this post.

/*drink*
//btw was anyone following the Canadian leaders debate?

It's still going... last question is on "trust"

"How do average Canadians know how to sort through political rhetoric and know which promises are real?"

re: #73 bcgirl

What is this ABC that you speak of?

Crud, here's that PickensPlan ad again...

LET SARAH BE SARAH - RELEASE THE RESTRAINTS AND LET LOOSE IMPALIN' PALIN!

re: #62 Dar ul Harb

Tina Fey is out of a job now.

that condescending skank.

McCain needs to get as far away as possible from the damned capitol building and run on this momentum TONIGHT. No sleeping. Sleep in December. We can't afford to lose the leg up that we just got from Sarah.

re: #55 Charles

Does Frank Lundt have enough Budweiser signs on his set?

Good grief.

MSM will say that proves he's in the keg for McCain and Cindy's beer distribution

re: #75 willowone

[Link: gretawire.foxnews.com...] palin win? vote

Fox has Palin winning by 92 percent....

re: #77 Joo-LiZ

The CNN .com poll has Biden winning the debate 76% to 22%.

Who's surprised?

Good Job Sarah! Did anyone else notice the huge BAGS under Biden's eyes?

re: #62 Dar ul Harb

Tina Fey is out of a job now.

Tina Fey is going to have a job for twelve or sixteen years.

This new Bond movie looks good.

As they say on the race track, She win. She win for fun.

Spinning this will take some doing.

dodgers 5
cubs 0 '
palin 5
biden 0

joe, the angry tired self contradicting gaffe machine

re: #76 ornery elephant

Peggy Noonan , on NBC , just said that Sarah Palin "KILLED" - she said this was Sarah Palin's night - it was all Sarah Palin.

I thought Noonan was going to jump out of her chair with glee - she said "Palin Killed" at least 4 times. Brian Williams just sat there with his mouth open.

Naw, I think she just hit ol' Joe with the tranquilizer dart. He'll have a radio collar on next to track his migration leftwards towards 0bama's habitat.

re: #92 doriangrey

Fox has Palin winning by 92 percent....

re: #93 gop_patriot

The CNN .com poll has Biden winning the debate 76% to 22%.

Who's surprised?

Not surprised by either..

The Palin smears will start up again. Dems and surrogates have to constantly beat on her to create doubt that she can do the job. It is getting very old and I hope Americans recognize the tactic for what it is.

re: #76 ornery elephant

Peggy Noonan , on NBC , just said that Sarah Palin "KILLED" - she said this was Sarah Palin's night - it was all Sarah Palin.

I thought Noonan was going to jump out of her chair with glee - she said "Palin Killed" at least 4 times. Brian Williams just sat there with his mouth open.

Noonan had to redeem herself for her earlier sliming of the Barracuda

re: #86 MJBrutus

What is this ABC that you speak of?

LOL

While it is not correct that Sarah made no mistakes ( a couple of very minor gaffs that should have no effect), she was down to earth, she connected with the common citizen, and I think she did a very fine job.
I would have liked to see her in a bit more of an attack mode on the financial crisis, such as pointing out the fact that clinton started the ball rolling, and the democrats kept it rolling while several republicans tried in vain to warn the American people.

All in all, it is a win for Sarah.

Wow, finally able to get on.

Good debate.

I was cheering when she was referring to Castro brothers, and describing A'jad in the best technical terms possible.

As well, my opinion still stands. Katy Couric is a bitch. Her comments about everyone being afraid of Palin messing up "again" not even 10 seconds after the debate was over.

Condescending bitch.

Greta's poll is running 92-5 in Palin's favor.

I have a very personally selfish reason to want Gov. Palin to succeed. I want to see the interactions between that darling little girl Piper and her mom as she grows up first in Blair House and then the White House.

For all of the effort put into portraying the Obama family in the Kennedy-esque style, that effort so pales in comparison to the sweet and natural vision of Sarah Palin and her family.

sarah couldn't have done better.
she was terrific.

and ifel was actually ok.
she let biden talk too much but that worked for us.

Friend on the phone from TN thought Biden won, says the ABC guys are praising Biden.

Charles seems to have changed his tune. Seems less depressed than before!

I'm surprised how restrained Gwen Ifill was. She did cut off Palin several times though.

I dunno how the Presidential debates will be more exciting this one. I think it great if both parties switched there tickets up so that the VP's were in the Presidential spot.

Sarah knocked it out of the park. Honestly, I was a bit worried about how she would perform.

My problem was that I ignored the golden rule...(ignore the MSM).

Sarah was GREAT.

Fred!

re: #84 loggiedog

Even the Daily Kos admits she won. Darn!

WTF?

re: #44 ggt

Interestingly, I think they're both running for president: Biden is doing so in order to convince independents that Obama won't sell the store to the Iranians, and Palin in order to convince people that she can take the job if McCain is incapacitated.

Joe "Corpse" Biden lost. I think this will reenergize the republican base. McCain, please let her out and kick some arse.

Sarah Palin carries Trig to term,

0bama says "punished with a baby"

Therefore choose life

Portae Inferi Non Praevlalebunt

that promise operates this election IMHO

re: #94 Macker

Good Job Sarah! Did anyone else notice the huge BAGS under Biden's eyes?

did you notice joe kind of look like he'd taken a shot to the solar plexes and acknowledge defeat when she said they'll be fact checking you tomorrow

The Dems will be poo pooing this performance en masse any minute now.

The Obama ones will be feeling very threatened by this. Look for a total personal trashing attempt to follow.

I have to admit it, i have a girl crush on sarah palin. Wow, impressive

Sarah did her job. Now it's up to McCain to undo it.

/

re: #81 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Sarah broke Joe's shit shit shit chia pet.

There, fixed that for ya!

re: #63 BlueCanuck

Nice debate, but if Old Plugs said "back in my hometown" one more time I would not have been able to make this post.

/*drink*
//btw was anyone following the Canadian leaders debate?

Yes, I was watching the VP debate on the live stream from here, and the TV on in the background.

/Bizzarro

re: #55 Charles

He did it at the AB Hq - which explains the Bud signs.

I do wonder how much AB paid for the product placement.

re: #92 doriangrey
amazing, I'm so damn proud of her againQ!

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

She came, she saw, she kicked Biden's ass!

He's going up next to the moose in her office.

Should be interesting what Dick Morris has to say. I'm sure the MM will say Palin failed to impress, blah, blah, blah.

re: #114 Ward Cleaver

WTF?

However, the official network of Obama - MSNBC - has 80% of the voters saying Lyin' Joe Biden won.

No surprise there.

re: #102 snowcrash

The Palin smears will start up again. Dems and surrogates have to constantly beat on her to create doubt that she can do the job. It is getting very old and I hope Americans recognize the tactic for what it is.

they will.

it will be the msm that just continues to look worse and worse.
they will soon be the joke.

re: #18 ciaospirit

Kirsten Powers. I think.

Kirsten Powers is from Alaska. Everybody vote on the Drudge Poll. The Obama headquarters is across the street from where I am ........ I bet they are freaking out. Sarah was great and I loved the dig she got in about always being proud of America.

what were the ratings?

It's slow going here tonight, huh?

And while I'm waiting...

Creeeeeeeeak!

How many are on here, anyway?

Who in the McCain campaign decided to defang Sarah? She should have ripped Obama constantly. Just say, "The biggest tragedy would be Obama being elected, period." She just backed off and went for the folksy mom vote. She needed to go for the throat, not the heart. The only thing for the GOP is for McCain to rip Obama a new one in the next two debates. I don't think he has it in him.

Too late to flip the ticket to Palin/McCain?

Watched the debate on C-Span with the split screen. Biden on the Palin on the right. How many of you watched Biden when Sarah was talking? His head was twitching and swivling around while she was talking. Conversely, she was calm, cool and collected and smiling while he was talking. My wife said he looked as nervous as a long tailed cat cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I saw it as a mouse in a room full of hungry cats.

i didn't know if anyone could take the horrendous beating she and her family has, and come out infront of millions poised , secure, smart, she's just lovely.

have*

NBC says their pundits give Palin the win. Who would've guessed NBC is that smart?

re: #127 illini72

Should be interesting what Dick Morris has to say. I'm sure the MM will say Palin failed to impress, blah, blah, blah.

5 hamster pellets says he praises

re: #96 NomadOfNorad

This new Bond movie looks good.

I am SO looking forward to it.

re: #132 J.D.

It's slow going here tonight, huh?

And while I'm waiting...

Creeeeeeeeak!

How many are on here, anyway?

Just 4500 or so.

J.D.!

re: #55 Charles

Does Frank Lundt have enough Budweiser signs on his set?

Good grief.

Maybe we should all chip in and buy him some real art.

re: #106 formercorpsman

Wow, finally able to get on.

Good debate.

I was cheering when she was referring to Castro brothers, and describing A'jad in the best technical terms possible.

As well, my opinion still stands. Katy Couric is a bitch. Her comments about everyone being afraid of Palin messing up "again" not even 10 seconds after the debate was over.

Condescending bitch.

So long as Sarah doesn't have Couric's hellish commie videotape editors on her case, she won't be messed up.

SATISFIED WITH SARAH. That is all, and quite enough.

-S-

re: #139 spidly

5 hamster pellets says he praises

Heh! That brought a smile to my face. Hamster chow by Purina?

Sarah caught Joe on several "misrepresenting" statements. Overall, she did better and much more lively. Fresh blood.

re: #12 MandyManners

Do Joe's eyes always look like he's had an eye-lift?

He had enough botox in his forehead to kill an entire elementary school. Seems to have leaked into his brain, too.

Charles, there's no way this is going to work through the election. You need more server capability, at least temporarily.

/tell us how much it's going to cost, we want to know

She wiped the floor with him.

re: #134 docremulac

She will run 2012 IMHO

re: #133 Biff

Who in the McCain campaign decided to defang Sarah? She should have ripped Obama constantly. Just say, "The biggest tragedy would be Obama being elected, period." She just backed off and went for the folksy mom vote. She needed to go for the throat, not the heart. The only thing for the GOP is for McCain to rip Obama a new one in the next two debates. I don't think he has it in him.

You are dead wrong. She did exactly what she needed to do.

Kos:

Sarah Palin won! Actually, she survived, since she had no "deer in headlight" moments.

re: #55 Charles

Lutz et al were at a Budweiser-owned site. The signage was probably unavoidable.

re: #135 Bubblehead II

Watched the debate on C-Span with the split screen. Biden on THE LEFT and the Palin on the right. How many of you watched Biden when Sarah was talking? His head was twitching and swivling around while she was talking. Conversely, she was calm, cool and collected and smiling while he was talking. My wife said he looked as nervous as a long tailed cat cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I saw it as a mouse in a room full of hungry cats.

PIMF: The strong is mine

re: #150 Ojoe

She will run 2012 IMHO

If (God forbid!) Obama wins this election, Palin runs in 2012.

If McCain wins, she runs whenever he decides to hang up his skates.

The CNN focus group (or whatever they call it) gave Biden the win.

How come I'm not surprised?

re: #151 stuiec

Exactly, she came across as sincerely gracious and likable.

re: #117 Ojoe

Sarah Palin carries Trig to term,

0bama says "punished with a baby"

Therefore choose life

Portae Inferi Non Praevlalebunt

that promise operates this election IMHO

Upding and a repost.

Absolutely the central issue....

life or death.

I watched the entire debate. Sarah Palin did very well, and I thought Gwen Ifill also did a pretty even-handed job of moderating, and also chose some insightful questions.

I will mention one instance where Sarah dropped the ball, and did so repeatedly. Time after time, Joe Biden brought up the tired old line, "McCain voted for tax cuts for Exxon-Mobil", with the unspoken implication that Exxon-Mobil, if not actually Satan's corporate proxy, was at least on good terms with His Nibs.

Palin could have shut him down on that tack by simply pointing out that Exxon-Mobil, like most other large corporations, is widely-held, and that if you allow the government to confiscate their profits, what you really do is steal from the retirement savings of countless middle-class Americans, the people he falsely purports to represent. Biden kept wielding that meme like a club, and had she countered with this fact, she could have taken that away from him.

Obama Campaign: Biden won with substance.

re: #151 stuiec

I agree. You can only offer so much red meat in the debates - it turns undecideds/independents off. If anything, it was Biden who went too far there, particularly at the end.

Has anyone said WTF is up with Biden's forehead? WOW

The thing I wish she had said: when Biden said "blah blah mistake elections West Bank Hamas bad" I would have said "Can you explain why Nobama met with mean old Hamas on his Reincarnation Tour but couldn't meet with our wounded soldiers?" That would have been the ultimate pants wetter in election history.

This one was not even close.

Palin wiped the floor with Biden.

I want a Palin/Obama debate
Hal

re: #31 Joo-LiZ

I don't know....

I think Palin definitely held her own against Biden, and for that she deserves IMMENSE credit. She may have even have re-energized the conservative base.

I am just not convinced that it was enough.

I don't believe independents will have been swayed to vote McCain after tonight.

It comes down to how much you want to believe the polls... I don't think the GOP will slide after tonight, but I don't think the polls are going to even out either.

I'm waiting for the next Presidential debate -- and hope and pray that McCain wins a knock out.

But this is a reasonable end result--very few people vote based on VP. The only way significant votes would change would be if either truly fell flat on their faces. Sarah Palin probably was never going to move large numbers of voters toward McCain tonight. But she could have put a nail in his coffin, and she did well enough not to. That's all she needed to do tonight, and she succeeded.

re: #133 Biff

Who in the McCain campaign decided to defang Sarah? She should have ripped Obama constantly. Just say, "The biggest tragedy would be Obama being elected, period." She just backed off and went for the folksy mom vote. She needed to go for the throat, not the heart. The only thing for the GOP is for McCain to rip Obama a new one in the next two debates. I don't think he has it in him.

McCain should start introducing a shadow cabinet and let them do more talking and attacking for him, with people like Giuliani and Romney and upcoming stars like Eric Cantor and Ryan Paul. Let McCain play the sedate elder statesman who surrounds himself with smart energetic young(er) people.

re: #135 Bubblehead II

Watched the debate on C-Span with the split screen. Biden on the Palin on the right. How many of you watched Biden when Sarah was talking? His head was twitching and swivling around while she was talking. Conversely, she was calm, cool and collected and smiling while he was talking. My wife said he looked as nervous as a long tailed cat cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I saw it as a mouse in a room full of hungry cats.

My wife asked if the cameraman was on Sarah's side, and I pointed out that Sarah was on the cameraman's side, looking right into the camera to talk directly to the folks at home.

By contrast, Biden spoke to Ifill and to Sarah far more than to the camera.

I also noticed that toward the end of the debate, Biden SPOKE of things he knew in his heart, but he was READING those words from his notes. If you KNOW something and BELIEVE it, you don't need notes.

Did anyone notice Biden forgot the name of "the country immediately to the north of Israel"?

Obama's Agitprop department is calling the networks and claiming that Biden won on "substance." I don't think I'll name the substance I saw Biden talking tonight.

re: #148 Killian Bundy

Charles, there's no way this is going to work through the election. You need more server capability, at least temporarily.

That, or have a "low bandwidth, low latency" version of the site -- limited graphics, little or no javascript, cut back or eliminate all the "toys" like comment updings and "buzz this" buttons -- which can be swapped in temporarily when heavy loads are expected.

re: #155 stuiec

If (God forbid!) Obama wins this election, Palin runs in 2012.

If McCain wins, she runs whenever he decides to hang up his skates.

If Obama wins, he will at some point declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. There will be no election in 2012. That's what Marxist dictators do.

re: #164 Hal

I want a Palin/Obama debate
Hal

Damn straight!

re: #86 MJBrutus

What is this ABC that you speak of?

That would be the American Barack Channel.

Charles Krauthammer just said she did great!

Palin connected to the voter - the mainstream, the undecided. Biden talked all liberal all the time.

re: #171 Defogger

If Obama wins, he will at some point declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. There will be no election in 2012. That's what Marxist dictators do.

Besides, he will have prosecuted anyone who could run against him, at least all the Republicans.

Posted this in the previous thread before I realized there was a wrap-up thread. Seems more appropriate here:

Palin did fine. Nothing spectacular, nothing dismal. I'm not disappointed nor am I changing my vote or staying home like some defeatists have been spouting.

Regarding those that say she sounded unsure of herself at times: I do think it's probably difficult to sound convincing repeating the talking points and platform of the top of your ticket when you may disagree with some of it.

I'll even say that Biden did fine with his audience. I don't buy a word that comes out of his mouth but his base will not be disappointed.

Frankly I don't know if this debate will help sway the so-called swing voters in either direction, if such voters even exist.

re: #166 Peter Verkooijen

McCain should start introducing a shadow cabinet and let them do more talking and attacking for him, with people like Giuliani and Romney and upcoming stars like Eric Cantor and Ryan Paul. Let McCain play the sedate elder statesman who surrounds himself with smart energetic young(er) people.

Bingo.

re: #171 Defogger

If Obama wins, he will at some point declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. There will be no election in 2012. That's what Marxist dictators do.

What was that thing -- you know, the one about watering the tree of liberty?

re: #42 The Shadow Do

I think she was very professional and, dare I say, inspirational as well. She will be President.

Ding! Ding! We have a winner. She is going to be a long term presence on the national scene, and I think too, may be president. What a talented person.

Hey, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the
GOP ticket, but I am just not seeing it tonight.

Obama is a danger to this country, and since the MSM is not doing its job regarding The One, McCain and Palin need to use the debates to get the word out. Not just on Obama, but on Dodd and Frank and Pelosi, too. You are not a real Maverick, unless you are a dead eye gun slinger, too.

re: #167 stuiec

I noticed that, too. I think Biden knows he's hitched his wagon to a guy he doesn't like, and whose ideas he doesn't like.

Biden prefers Palin to Obama.

Soon to be VP Palin was outstanding...simply outstanding!
You go girl!
Soon to be former-Senator "good-ol-boy" Biden talked of change but said he hasn't changed in 35 years (ha).
Take a walk boy!

re: #157 MJBrutus

Exactly, she came across as sincerely gracious and likable.

And human and accessible and friendly and normal.

Palin held her own. I would have liked a few more jabs placed squarely on Obama's chin but that is just me. All in all, she did very well, brushed away the inexperienced notion and clearly had an excellent grasp on middle class America's concerns.

She did have an unexpected conquest too. I think Biden walked away with a crush on our Sarah.

re: #111 womball

Charles seems to have changed his tune. Seems less depressed than before!

I'm surprised how restrained Gwen Ifill was. She did cut off Palin several times though.

I dunno how the Presidential debates will be more exciting this one. I think it great if both parties switched there tickets up so that the VP's were in the Presidential spot.

Boy I totally agree. I was yelling at my TV: John, let Sarah have the BIG chair!

re: #183 Edgerrr

Soon to be VP Palin was outstanding...simply outstanding!
You go girl!
Soon to be former-Senator "good-ol-boy" Biden talked of change but said he hasn't changed in 35 years (ha).
Take a walk boy!

Yes, the contrast between the two is striking. Sarah Palin is the up-and-comer, and Biden is past his best-before date.

If they were horses, Palin would be the Triple Crown contender, and Biden would be a glue factory candidate.

re: #183 Edgerrr

Soon to be VP Palin was outstanding...simply outstanding!
You go girl!
Soon to be former-Senator "good-ol-boy" Biden talked of change but said he hasn't changed in 35 years (ha).
Take a walk boy!

Naaah. Biden is still on the ballot in Delaware for his Senate seat. He'll have that to fall back on. And he'll get to gaze up at Sarah presiding over that august body every day it's in session.

re: #156 Defogger

The CNN focus group (or whatever they call it) gave Biden the win.

How come I'm not surprised?

Maybe because the CNN focus group was composed entirely of Obambi supporters?

re: #171 Defogger

If Obama wins, he will at some point declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. There will be no election in 2012. That's what Marxist dictators do.

He won't. He will do whatever he can get away with, which would be building national structures of community organizing groups, building on George Soros' groundwork and manipulating the media even further in his favor using the Fairness Doctrine, "Truth Squads" and other more subtle means.

So 2012 will be a lot like this election, but even worse.

She didn't roll Biden like I predicted earlier but she did great (BTW, by roll I mean the way Cheney turned Edwards into a speedbump in '04). Once again Sarah Palin has lifted the gloom. Even if McCain loses next month, I really look forward to Gov. Palin being around for a long time. Go Maggie II!

Let's all pitch in a few bucks and send the server hamsters on a nice tropical vacation. They've worked a lot of overtime lately. :-)

Oh yeah... go McCain/Palin!

Did anyone hear Gov. Palin slip and call Joe ..Senator Obiden?
A slip.....Or ?
She did great!
Couldn't be prouder!

re: #167 stuiec

Exactly. Sarah spoke from the heart. She didn't need notes to say what she wanted to say. Biden on the other hand, read from his notes. looked around to see how it was received and then continued on.

A mouse in a room full of cats

re: #181 Biff

Hey, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the
GOP ticket, but I am just not seeing it tonight.

Obama is a danger to this country, and since the MSM is not doing its job regarding The One, McCain and Palin need to use the debates to get the word out. Not just on Obama, but on Dodd and Frank and Pelosi, too. You are not a real Maverick, unless you are a dead eye gun slinger, too.

Thank God that Sarah Palin understands better than you the difference between moose hunting and politics. This ain't her first rodeo -- she did cream the best and toughest good ol' boys in Alaska.

Sadly, and predictably, the so-called "Major" networks have Biden winning the debate.

Wow.

It is so unreal.

Like, Pravda, or something.

CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, all have it or Biden.

Fox, of course, has it for Palin.

Let's hope that McCain will let her go and let the rest of the GOP big hitters, Fred, Rudy, Mitt, Newt, hell, even Jeb go on the attack.

I must admit I was worried about how well Sarah would perform, given how she came off in the Couric interview. But happily she well exceeded expectations. Not only did she stand toe-to-toe with one of the most senior Senators, she bested him in many of her responses. She was lively, articulate, friendly and approachable, while Biden seemed flat and unenthusiastic.

But you can bet the MSM spin will be "well, maybe Palin did win, but the Vice-Presidential debate isn't all that important. "

re: #165 jamie

But this is a reasonable end result--very few people vote based on VP. The only way significant votes would change would be if either truly fell flat on their faces. Sarah Palin probably was never going to move large numbers of voters toward McCain tonight. But she could have put a nail in his coffin, and she did well enough not to. That's all she needed to do tonight, and she succeeded.

I guess you're not paying attention, with all due respect. McCain is about as weak a GOP candidate as Bob Dole, and Sarah Palin is the ONLY thing that is keeping him in this race. Yes, there are a significant number of voters who would vote only to keep Nobama out, but now there is actual enthusiasm for his victory. I was going to not cast a presidential vote at all until I saw who he picked...if it had been Lieberman or some other half-assed RINO, I was done. Now I will enthusiastically vote for him, primarily because she will have the incumbent advantage in 2012 or '16.

I also think that there are voters who have seen the edited monstrosities that CBS and ABC put out and now seeing her as she really is, unfiltered as she put it, might very well move people to her. I think her appeal is the same that W has - here's a real person, not a stuffed shirt bureaucrat.

re: #182 godfrey

I noticed that, too. I think Biden knows he's hitched his wagon to a guy he doesn't like, and whose ideas he doesn't like.

Biden prefers Palin to Obama.

Did you note Biden's answer about the role of a VP? How he'd be at Barack's side at all times? Even HE thinks Obama needs adult supervision.

re: #177 Sleepyone

Frankly I don't know if this debate will help sway the so-called swing voters in either direction, if such voters even exist.

I know I'm repeating much of the same points here, but I really think it's unfair to expect either Palin or Biden to have made significant inroads among swing voters. If you're still undecided, then the second name on the ticket isn't what's making you decide. Palin probably shored up some wavering GOPers who were questioning her abilities, and Biden probably did nothing worse than keep Obama where he's been this week: up a few points. But that's about it.

re: #124 Athos

He did it at the AB Hq - which explains the Bud signs.

I do wonder how much AB paid for the product placement.

The official beer of Joe Six-Pack.

Go Sarah! She did it -- came out strong and Biden looked good at times, but gave into his windbag impulses.

Let's hope the polls change again!

I like the way Palin made the point about the msm filter. That accomplished two tasks: 1> made it clear to us out here that they are distorting her views and she's better than she is being portrayed, 2> told the msm she knows what they are about.

re: #92 doriangrey

Fox has Palin winning by 92 percent....

Instapundit has Palin winning by 87%.

I think she kicked butt and took names tonight, but that's just me. :)

Victory!

RUDY! (on Fox)
"knockout"

How about Gwen Ifill. I am not sure that she had complete control of the debate, but she seemed to steer through the major issues. I did not see her leaning to heavily to one side.

Sarah is my favorite girl! She will be VP and I look forward to watching her and her kids show America how a family really can dream and live the American Dream. Love God, work hard, be fair, be honest and always treat others like you want to be treated and you will succeed. Too many forget the first one - Sarah does not. Some people say this is bad but I say it is a strength and an asset.

Please pray for Sarah and John that they can overcome the ridiculous MSM and get their message to the country. I hope that John and Sarah start to go for the truth and make sure the country knows WHO is responsible for the mess we are in. Not georgebush georgebush georgebush - it is Barney Frankenweenie and Chris Dodderputz and the democrat goons that did not allow reform of Fannie and Freddie while there was still time. No, Barney there was trouble but, it would have kiboxed your lovers job and your power to have done so wouldn't it?

Heck with it I am going to bed. Goodnight lizards and long live the master lizard Charles Johnson! You have such a great place here and I really value it and every one of you.

re: #207 Cheeseland

How about Gwen Ifill. I am not sure that she had complete control of the debate, but she seemed to steer through the major issues. I did not see her leaning to heavily to one side.

I think she did well. She was fair.

McCain-Palin in a landslide. It's gonna happen.

re: #169 FloridaAnole

Obama's Agitprop department is calling the networks and claiming that Biden won on "substance." I don't think I'll name the substance I saw Biden talking tonight.

Right. Ever play baseball in a cow pasture and mistake something else for second base?

This is why cow-pasture baseball players never slide head first....

:)

A few things-

Did Obama lose the Gay vote with Biden's "no" to the question of whether or not he and Obama were for gay marriage (I smell a clarification/not the Joe I knew moment)

The country Directly north of Israel? OMG who needs to read?

Building the Embassy in Jerusalem?! OMG OMG OMG!

And the "wow I realize just now much of an outsider I am" and the "say it isn't so Joe!"

Loved her- hope we can get somewhere with the traction!

re: #158 devil in baggy pants

This is a stark election.

re: #200 Jamie

I know I'm repeating much of the same points here, but I really think it's unfair to expect either Palin or Biden to have made significant inroads among swing voters. If you're still undecided, then the second name on the ticket isn't what's making you decide. Palin probably shored up some wavering GOPers who were questioning her abilities, and Biden probably did nothing worse than keep Obama where he's been this week: up a few points. But that's about it.

I agree with you 100%. I will vote for McCain/Palin if she passed gas at the podium and lobbed a spitball at Biden. Come to think of it, I would have voted twice for her after that!

Palin spoke about the future. Biden attacked Bush and spoke about the past. She connected with voters.

He sounded like an articulate, but pompous old guy fishing around for working-class anectodes…”down at Home Depot where I spend a lot of time…” Sure.

She was authentic. She talked about cleaning up Washington, which will resonate with people. He talked about the war in Iraq, which people are tired of and want to win. Overall, as undecideds noted in the Frank Luntz instant poll, she did better than Biden and was more authentic, while Biden came off as a tired rehash. I think she won flat out.

Sarah Palin won the debate going away.

I beg to differ. Substantively, it was a rout of the GOP. Biden came across as knowledgeable, informed and capable on his feet (damning with faint praise, to be sure, compared to Westminster-hardened pols), albeit incapable of delivering the definitive knock-out correlation between McCain, Bush and the current economic troubles. Palin spoke in colloquialisms, was vague, banged on about McCain the Maverick (if only) and continually turned to Alaskan drilling as the key to American energy self-sufficiency. She did not disintegrate, but that in no way constitutes a win.

Politically, who knows? Perhaps enough voters will buy into her folksy, cheerful shtick. Perhaps, FINALLY, enough voters will see Obama for what he is- a cypher, a man entirely without any beliefs or principles, a creature of IL machine politics and an associate of dubious individuals. One can only hope.

/admission: I'm so right wing that I make RR look like a New Dealer

I don't guys, I didn't watch the debates, but what are the ordinary people going to say about this? I mean, this is a pretty large blogs, as far as they go, but will the average American who does have a vested interest in the election see this and say "Biden is a total twit" or will he simply be seduced by that creep, Obama's charm?

I hope not, but let's not jump the victory bandwagon too soon, but instead look with restrained enthusiasm at the party that really endorses freedom and individual spirit.

She did well, hate to admit it. Was not destroyed here like I had hoped/fantasized. But Biden did fine also; came through as "a regular guy," who likewise genuinely cares about the struggles of regular folks. I think both of their favorability ratings are likely to get a bit of a boost from this. Now, the Mccain campaign tactic of "working the ref" spooked Gwenn into not doing what a moderator should do, i.e. channel the discussion back to her main question when it diverts. That combined with Biden's strategy to act "gentlemanly" means that Palin got away with just rehashing irrelevant pre-memorized talking points that did not address the questions she was asked, when actually answering the question required specific knowledge she lacked.

All in all, I think this debate will be perceived by the general public as a tie, or no more than a small win for Biden, and due to Palin's lowered expectations, this may be slightly "good" for her. But I don't think this will be the "gamechanger" you all are hoping for. The "endgame" narrative of the race that has shaped over the last couple of weeks will stay on track, with Obama/Biden winning the election.

And that is what is wrong- restraint in telling the truth. . .McCain should be all over the contradictions (like Joe and his Pakistan is the biggest worry, not Iran like SHE says, then awhile later he starts in a bout how dangerous a nuclear Iran is, and well, hard to follow)

Politically speaking, she needed to talk to the people- and she needed to be herself- she was. The question is now will they run with it and get out there, or will they sit back and wait. . .

Drill Baby Drill- and trounce those East Coast elites!

I'm not ashamed to admit that I cried a bit after this debate tonight. As I watched Sarah perform so well during this debate, I couldn't help but continuously think about all of the slanders, slights and smears that have been leveled against her over the past five weeks. For her to come out so confident, and so sure of herself, against a man who has been a national mainstay for so many years was beyond inspirational.

Although I am almost totally exhausted from the past week, I am looking forward to a very, very busy day at my local McCain VC. It is going to be fun, even if I drop dead in the middle of it.

All you have to do is tune in to MSNBC with the sound down and look at the faces of Maddow and Matthews to know how Palin did. Hilarious! Chris looked like he'd been punched in his big fat stomach. Maddow look constipated. I turned up the sound and heard Maddow saying that Palin had gotten the name of an Iraqi war general wrong. I laughed out loud. That's the best ya got Maddow?!

Meanwhile, King Douchebag Olbermann pathetically tried to spin the general name thing into the biggest gaffe ever made but curiously didn't mind the legion of Biden lies. Douche even conceeded that Palin didn't humiliate herself. Put Olbermann's words through the reality machine translator and 'didn't humiliate herself'=Palin killed it.

re: #217 Grand Poobah

The best outcome here was a rejuvinated base, which was accomplished. Despite the populists message I was energized, jazzed, et all. Fence sitters now know she is up to the job but few folk vote for VP.

/But I do!

re: #114 Ward Cleaver

WTF?

Yeah, I usually check the Daily Kos (and spit afterwards) to see their response. This time, it was clear that while they still think Obama will win, she wasn't the failure they were expecting (and hoping for). Frankly that to me is a sign she won. When the farthest of the left agree that Sarah Palin won, she won. Hands Down.

Mission Accomplished.

We'll see how this plays out in the coming days (not that the polls and the gloom/elation generated from them really matter in the long run).

So, what's going on tonight?

Palin doesn't need the MSM. She can go viral (You Tube, etc.). She's a superstar. The MSM can flail all they want to, she has gone completely over their heads to the American people.

McCain should just let her carry the flag and front ALL the remaining debates and campaign appearances.

It's unfortunate, but the GOP left its two best hitters on the bench: Rudy and Mitt.

So, John McCain, name Rudy now as your AG and Mitt as your Sec of Treasury or Commerce. Let them join the fight on the field.

re: #217 Grand Poobah

I don't guys, I didn't watch the debates, but what are the ordinary people going to say about this? I mean, this is a pretty large blogs, as far as they go, but will the average American who does have a vested interest in the election see this and say "Biden is a total twit" or will he simply be seduced by that creep, Obama's charm?

I hope not, but let's not jump the victory bandwagon too soon, but instead look with restrained enthusiasm at the party that really endorses freedom and individual spirit.

Who do you want to spend the next eight years looking at? Biden or Palin?

Well, I think Palin won and I hope the rest of the nation agrees with me on this. Now we need to link Palin's success with that of the campaign. Does anyone else agree? Ideas?

re: #223 loggiedog

When the farthest of the left agree that Sarah Palin won, she won. Hands Down.

Amen.

re: #218 Mr. Sandman

She did well, hate to admit it. Was not destroyed here like I had hoped/fantasized. But Biden did fine also; came through as "a regular guy," who likewise genuinely cares about the struggles of regular folks. I think both of their favorability ratings are likely to get a bit of a boost from this. Now, the Mccain campaign tactic of "working the ref" spooked Gwenn into not doing what a moderator should do, i.e. channel the discussion back to her main question when it diverts. That combined with Biden's strategy to act "gentlemanly" means that Palin got away with just rehashing irrelevant pre-memorized talking points that did not address the questions she was asked, when actually answering the question required specific knowledge she lacked.

All in all, I think this debate will be perceived by the general public as a tie, or no more than a small win for Biden, and due to Palin's lowered expectations, this may be slightly "good" for her. But I don't think this will be the "gamechanger" you all are hoping for. The "endgame" narrative of the race that has shaped over the last couple of weeks will stay on track, with Obama/Biden winning the election.

As a recovering Democrat, I could not disagree with you more. No matter what your party, peole like Joe want to think for me, spend my money for me, and now, Obama supporters want to truth squad me in my own state. . .I have been a loyal party member for almost 20 years. . .but my party was not loyal to me, so I left.

Sarah was the one who connected the way my dad used to say the Democrats of his day did, shit FDR was so good at it that even when he was screwing over the Jews in Europe he was popular, and Jews STILL revere him. . .legacy or no. . .

I do not need change from my government, I need leadership, I do not need Obamatrons acting by proxy to tell me about what I need- I need to be left alone in a country that is kept running and a government that is for, by and of the people- that is the change I want, and it is not Obama.

Go McCain Palin!

Hannity just dismembered some obviously dumb congresswoman from Florida. She's gone home crying.

re: #227 Biff

Yes!

Fantastic.

My only criticism: PLEASE work on pronouncing 'nuclear' correctly.

My wife was laughing at me covering my eyes at one point.

Who won?

Watch the pundits and campaign people.

Obama/Biden staffers/supporters: serious expressions, eyes down, talking points-style reasons why, no energy

McCain/Pailin staffers/supporters: wide grins, eyes up, off-the-cuff answers, energetic

After the presidential debate, many said that Obama won because he overcame expecations for him, which were lower than expecations of McCain. I think it's fair to say Palin far exceeded everyone's expecations.

It's now up to the MCCain/Palin organization to a) hit hard and often, and b) get the handlers out of Palin's way.

re: #12 MandyManners

Do Joe's eyes always look like he's had an eye-lift?

I am watching parts of it on Nightline, and yes, absolutely. They look like he used a cheap plastic surgeon, who did a very bad job.

He looks awful...weird.

re: #226 THX-42

...she has gone completely over their heads to the American people.

Like Reagan.

re: #230 Rancher

Amen.

Whoot!

I propose an Obama/Palin debate. THAT would be interesting. I guess Sarah would have to spot a handicap to Barack H. but he'd lose anyway.

Sarah Palin ROCKED.
I had to switch back and forth between the Canadian debates (only when Biden droned on about things he had talked about before) a few times. I thought Governor Palin composed herself very well and was able to answer some tough questions. She was a little repetitive at some times but no more than we've seen other candidates do.
If anyone did watch the Canadian debates (which, at times, were slightly more dynamic than the American ones), did not Elizabeth May and Jack Layton get on one's nerves?
Moving on, currently, the press is trying to downplay Palin's performance tonight but fat chance of them fooling the electorate the way they did with silly notions that Obama was the better debater. Governor Palin was in top form and did her best to keep Biden on his toes.
Just some thoughts.

OT:

"Senator Reid is not personally aware of any particular company being on the verge of bankruptcy. He has no special knowledge about [a bankruptcy] nor has he talked to any insurance company officials," said Jim Manley, spokesman for Sen. Reid, in an email to CNNMoney.com.

That's not what Harry Reid said earlier.

re: #218 Mr. Sandman

She did well, hate to admit it. Was not destroyed here like I had hoped/fantasized. But Biden did fine also; came through as "a regular guy," who likewise genuinely cares about the struggles of regular folks. I think both of their favorability ratings are likely to get a bit of a boost from this. Now, the Mccain campaign tactic of "working the ref" spooked Gwenn into not doing what a moderator should do, i.e. channel the discussion back to her main question when it diverts. That combined with Biden's strategy to act "gentlemanly" means that Palin got away with just rehashing irrelevant pre-memorized talking points that did not address the questions she was asked, when actually answering the question required specific knowledge she lacked.

All in all, I think this debate will be perceived by the general public as a tie, or no more than a small win for Biden, and due to Palin's lowered expectations, this may be slightly "good" for her. But I don't think this will be the "gamechanger" you all are hoping for. The "endgame" narrative of the race that has shaped over the last couple of weeks will stay on track, with Obama/Biden winning the election.

Sorry. This debate proved that the Republicans have qualified people at both the top and bottom of the ticket, whereas the Democrats barely have a qualified guy at the bottom of the ticket and an empty suit at the top. And if Biden's out-and-out falsehoods in this debate get wide play, they may not even give him that slim degree of credit.

re: #232 Palmetto Patriot

Hannity just dismembered some obviously dumb congresswoman from Florida. She's gone home crying.

Which one?

re: #236 NY Nana

I am watching parts of it on Nightline, and yes, absolutely. They look like he used a cheap plastic surgeon, who did a very bad job.

He looks awful...weird.

Botox in the forehead and upper lip. Made him look OLDER.

"surgically enhanced", Charles? Hardly.

More like he just stepped out of a display case at Madame Tussaud's.

I think Sarah held the line of scrimmage well and had a good punting game. Biden moved the ball well at times, but didn't really score. Sarah defers to McCain as the QB, and won't run her own plays, and didn't blitz when she could have. Biden stuck to a predictable play book.

I thought Sarah was drafted as a skill player, but that is not how they are using her.

re: #242 stuiec

Sorry. This debate proved that the Republicans have qualified people at both the top and bottom of the ticket, whereas the Democrats barely have a qualified guy at the bottom of the ticket and an empty suit at the top. And if Biden's out-and-out falsehoods in this debate get wide play, they may not even give him that slim degree of credit.

His refusal to meet those realities head on was so EMBARASSING- and the exchange with Palin using the I was for until line was just a gentle underscore of that refusal to take any part of either the blame or the initiative to overcome it. . .

That is NOT the Democratic party my dad knew. . . Whoot on the Embassy. . .! That was another one of Bush's "blunders" not following through on that promise!

Why is the view all screwy? Not "The View", but the LGF format.

re: #241 kevinmumaw

OT:

That's not what Harry Reid said earlier.

That is not the Harry I knew. . .

re: #243 DisturbedEma

Had to look her up, but it's

Wasserman Schultz, Debbie, Florida, 20th

Just for fun, can we have a Sarah Palin / Cynthia McKinney debate?

re: #124 Athos

He did it at the AB Hq - which explains the Bud signs.

I do wonder how much AB paid for the product placement.

AB has been a major supporter of the Debate Group since it's foundation in about 1988. They have sponsored the debates that get no money from the parties or the government to put on the debates...all from private donations.

Guess this was what their sponsorship paid for...beer for everyone!

Just for fun, I wish McCain would start campaigning like a Republican.

re: #246 Biff

Been watching some football lately there Biff!
LOL

re: #251 Gearhead

Just for fun, can we have a Sarah Palin / Cynthia McKinney debate?

How bout Maxine Waters?
LOL
I was hoping that the dem congress having a 9% to Bushs 29% approval would have come up!

re: #251 Gearhead

Just for fun, can we have a Sarah Palin / Cynthia McKinney debate?

Sarah would have to bone up on her ufo knowledge.

re: #244 stuiec

Botox in the forehead and upper lip. Made him look OLDER.

Yes, absolutely. And after seeing more of him, his eyes were almost slits. He looks older than McCain, ironically. Sad that he is so concerned re his hair, etc. To me, that vanity is the measure of the man. I am far more interested in what he thinks than his appearance.

Aging is a natural part of life, and at age 70? I look my age, but considering the alternatives? No big deal! And NY Grampa also feels the same way.

They say that the eyes are the mirror of the soul: looking at his? I have to wonder.

re: #171 Defogger

If Obama wins, he will at some point declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. There will be no election in 2012. That's what Marxist dictators do.

You know what? I am sick of this crap. This is the same shit the LLL has been spouting for years. I have yet to see Bush putting armed forces on the street corner to silence dissent.

I highly doubt that the "O" will try to do this. Why? Because there are too many of us who are clinging to our guns to allow it to happen and many of those who are in the military and have the same weapons and also happen to believe as we do. So unless the "O" can purge the military of those who oppose him and replace them with those who support him it's not going to happen. End of story.

Iron Fist Rule Role "engaged'

NOT!

I admired Biden's performance and actually think his briefly getting choked up was genuine. I think Palin, as a parent, thought it genuine too, as she had a halting response immediately after it. I loved Palin's initial acceptance speech for VP, but have since been disturbed by her repetitiveness on things that she seems either overly-coached on, or ignorant. Tonight her answers on the current wall street mess and on global warming seemed like they weren’t her own; like she was saying things she didn’t herself believe. Her answers on these two issues seemed unnatural and unpleasant for her. She did not win the debate going away. She simply hurdled (or limboed) the low bar we set for her.

AH, ONE MORE THING:

Something we need to keep pounding on, to hammer away at the "Joe Biden, foreign policy sooper-genius" meme:

So apparently, under the Bush Administration, "we and the French threw Hizballah out of Lebanon, but then let them back in, and wouldn't let NATO in".

What THE F**K was Biden talking about?! This alleged foreign policy guru is just making shit up. Incredible.

I do hope the conservative blogosphere and media keep that one alive. Biden told a massive whopper, or displayed astounding ignorance, or both.

Maybe FDR threw Hizballah out of Lebanon just prior to his 1929 televised fireside chat?

"No nation in the world has more right than ours to look with proud confidence toward the future. Nowhere else has the experiment of democratic government, of government by the people and for the people, of government based on the prinicple of treating each man on his innate worth as a man, been tried on so vast a scale as with us; and, on the whole, the experiment has been more successful than anywhere else."

Theodore Roosevelt
May 16, 1908 (from an address at Washington)

re: #246 Biff

I think Sarah held the line of scrimmage well and had a good punting game. Biden moved the ball well at times, but didn't really score. Sarah defers to McCain as the QB, and won't run her own plays, and didn't blitz when she could have. Biden stuck to a predictable play book.

I thought Sarah was drafted as a skill player, but that is not how they are using her.

I think Sarah is the QB and she defeffed to McCain the coach. When she audibles she is awesome. She's been running the coaches playbook since the convention and that ain't gettin the points on the board.

re: #255 reloadingisnotahobby

How bout Maxine Waters?
LOL
I was hoping that the dem congress having a 9% to Bushs 29% approval would have come up!

Here's a 'gotcha' question for Waters: Apollo 11 - Moon or Mars?

I don't agree, Eric Cartman's Conscience. I expected Governor Palin to pull through this debate. Granted there were some things that sounded repetitive, I believe she said what she felt and answered the questions as best as she could.

As an outsider looking in Palin obviously won the debate and debating style was sound. When unsure she moved aside the obvious landmines laid in her path. Biden looked tired and old. He was the typical time expired ultimate Washington insider. I was shouting at the TV when Palin didn't slam dunk him on several occasions but on reflection she did the right thing. It was NOT about either the Democrats or the Republican viewers. It was about the INDEPENDENTS. and if she had slam dunked as he deserved on several occasions she might have turned those independent voters off. Biden seemed to have a better grasp on the facts but in retrospect he mis spoke on a large number of topics. That for you less refined folks is code for ... he lied. No doubt the MSM will try to bury those lies but they are on the record. I thought that Palin was strongest when she railed against wall street fat cats and the beltway insiders. She could have pushed that a little more in my opinion. Loved it when she spoke directly to the people over the top of the MSM talking heads.. That gelled for me as most folks put journalists down at the same level as used car salesmen and purveyors of snake oil and maybe just a tad below Washington Beltway insiders and Wall Street fat cats.

If for no other reason than being able to watch that adorable Piper Palin grow up in front of our eyes, the McCain/Palin ticket should win.

Piper for Prez in 2040!

re: #259 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I admired Biden's performance and actually think his briefly getting choked up was genuine. I think Palin, as a parent, thought it genuine too, as she had a halting response immediately after it. I loved Palin's initial acceptance speech for VP, but have since been disturbed by her repetitiveness on things that she seems either overly-coached on, or ignorant. Tonight her answers on the current wall street mess and on global warming seemed like they weren’t her own; like she was saying things she didn’t herself believe. Her answers on these two issues seemed unnatural and unpleasant for her. She did not win the debate going away. She simply hurdled (or limboed) the low bar we set for her.

I disagree with your assessment of the debate and i'll tell you why.

Palin was obviously coached. Hell of bloody course she was coached. Biden has been shuffling about the passages in the Congress since she was in second grade. The advantage that should have been there was absent, especially when you add up the Biden 'clangers' and made up stuff. Palin knew that she was winning about 3/4 of the way through and we saw a glimpse of what she is capable of in the future when she gets some more experience in on the job training. She finished very strongly and beat Biden 10 zip over the last quarter. He looked tired and glad it was over. She was bubbling and on a real roll. Please ..... please tell her 'handlers' to back off and let her be herself. Folks identify with her as they could never to with Biden and especially not with O who might as well live on a different planet for all he has in common with the average American voter.

I think old Joe will look nice hanging over the fireplace mantle...

I agree she won handily, but she will be abused by the MSM for the common mistake that Bush makes.

Nucular < Nuclear

Hey...how many times has Biden been rejected by his own voters in his attempts at higher office in the past? Not once, more than twice...what was it, 3...4? He was totally rejected by Democrats in the primary. What was he pulling 10%? And how he's their guy? Give me a break.

re: #40 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The last group was here in Sin City and based on the good Dr's comments they were all "undecided" independents who just happen to work for places where you can not get a job unless you belong to a Union. Don't believe the results from the first Mac and Barry deal with Lunz's group, they were not undecided.

Palin murdered Biden, no doubts about it. Without the media filter she came across as what she really is, a no-bullshit conservative with real values. Whenever she exposed his veil of lies, he looked off camera with his geriatric Joker smile and gestured to his coaches, "What the hell do I say now?" Whenever he lied through his teeth, she grinned subtly and made notes about what to destroy next...grinned like a barracuda...

Anyone catch the one of Biden's more laughable "Paul Reiser" moments, when he claimed that the leader of U.S. military action in Afghanistan said that the surge would not work there, that what they needed instead was "more troops"?

Isn't that what a surge is?