Or his ass from his elbow.

...and even if the West Bank was Gaza, when, for God's sake, did Obama or Biden say any of these things?

I still need to watch the debate, anybody have a favorite place other than cspan?

I know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, and I didn't need 35 years in the Senate either. Perhaps I'm qualified to be Vice President?

Either way, to Obama's camp the problem is the Joooooos

nice to know the people running things know less than most people in first year poli sci.

I'm a catholic- not a particularly devout or observant catholic- but I do in fact know the difference between the Gaza and West Bank simply because Jesus' birthplace is located along the West Bank.

And call me bigoted or what have you, but I would rather have the Israelis as custodians of the Church of the Nativity than the Paleo-stinians who were celebrating and passing out sweets on Sept. 11th, 2001.

This is exactly the kind of mistake that would keep Palin on the front pages for the rest of the week.

Thanks for posting the link to transcript Charles...

We'll for sure see lots of AP and Reuters articles tomorrow pointing out this gaffe.

/

If they could figure out how to enact a terrorism tax the Dems would be more informed on the subject.

re: #7 Fenway_Nation

I'm a catholic- not a particularly devout or observant catholic- but I do in fact know the difference between the Gaza and West Bank simply because Jesus' birthplace is located along the West Bank.

And call me bigoted or what have you, but ...

I hereby call thee "what have you".

That in my opinion is the REAL change we need in DC, Someone who hasnt been corrupted by the DC crew, McCain is a maverick so to speak because he goes against the flow on some things. Biden and Obama have been in the political realm and are used to the strong arm tactics of the DEMORAT party.
Sarah Palin is about as far away from DC as you can get, and she is a people person.. I am voting for John McCain/Sarah Palin but the truth is I am voting for Sarah Palin.

re: #8 Pythagoras

This is exactly the kind of mistake that would keep Palin on the front pages for the rest of the week month.

Fixed it.

Don't forget the Bonsiacs.

G'night everyone.

The West Bank? Wasn't FDR the President of the West Bank back in 1929?

Biden was right.

HAMAS won in the West Bank as well as in Gaza.

HAMAS won across the board.

HAMAS has since taken over Gaza by force, but it still has political legitimacy even in the "West Bank" because of its electoral victory.

The US and Israel now intend to support an unlawful extension of the presidency of Mahmoud Abbas once his term runs in January. Why? Because under the election law he would be replaced by a HAMAS-nik.

Pick nits if you like, but this wasn't one of them. And even if it were, it wouldn't change the fact that Biden cleaned Palin's clock tonight.

re: #16 HelloDare

Didn't he have a televised address to the nation regarding that issue.

re: #15 Noam Sayin'

What's a Bonsiac?

One should also note that, back then, Obama was squarely in the pro-Palestinian camp. I am going to go find some links, but I am pretty sure he had no problem with elections in Gaza.

Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won.

And endorsed 0bama.

What a freaking idiot. He also forgot the name of Lebanon and said ' from the country to the north of Israel' in one line of complete bluster. Am I right on that, did you all hear that too?

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Someone from Bosnia.

Oh, and Joe - did you catch the geography lesson from Gov. Sarah? Israel's capital is Jerusalem.

Take that to your failing bank, baby!

Last year, Obama’s Church “reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

Actually I think he meant to say Bongiacs. You know, one of those dirty hippies.

re: #23 Fenway_Nation

Actually, someone from Bonsia, which is close to Bosnia, but not quite.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

Wozniak's French cousin. He works for Le Macintosh.

/reaching

The difference between Gaza and West Bank is that there are no IDF in Gaza...no Jews in Gaza...

re: #27 CheDub
LMAO

GMTA!

re: #27 CheDub

Actually, someone from Bonsia, which is close to Bosnia, but not quite.

Is their national tree the Bonsai?

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

I think someone mentioned Bosniac...not sure who...

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Does anyone doubt this? This Blowhard Biden is only a heartbeat from the White house. Now that is a scary thought.

re: #32 Psaturn

I think someone mentioned Bosniac...not sure who...

I'm pretty sure that was Senator 'Obiden'

re: #32 Psaturn

Ah, I missed it.

re: #30 esch

Thanks, I credit the bottle of wine working through my system.

re: #20 karmic_inquisitor

Obama Was For Palestinian Elections Before He Was Against Them

FLIP-FLOP #4: Obama Now Claims That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006, But He Supported Them At That Time:

Obama Says That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006. Obama: "There is no room at the negotiating table for terrorist organizations. That is why I opposed holding elections in 2006 with Hamas on the ballot. The Israelis and the Palestinian Authority warned us at the time against holding these elections, but this administration pressed ahead. And the result is a Gaza controlled by Hamas, with rockets raining down on Israel." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08)

But During His 2006 Trip To The Middle East, Obama Met With Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas And Said The Election Represented An "Opportunity...To Consolidate Behind A Single Government." "Illinois Senator Barack Obama's journey to the Middle East took him to the West Bank Thursday for a meeting with the man elected to replace Yasser Arafat. ... For a time Thursday in the West Bank there was only the clatter of cameras as the newly elected president of the Palestinian authority, Mahmoud Abbas, met with Illinois Senator Barack Obama. At a meeting with Palestinian students Thursday, Obama said the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel, and Obama told ABC7 he delivered that message to the Palestinian president. 'Part of the opportunity here with this upcoming election is to consolidate behind a single government with a single authority that can then negotiate as a reliable partner with Israel,' said Obama." (Chuck Goudie, "Obama Meets With Arafat's Successor," ABC 7 News, [Link: obama.senate.gov,...] 1/12/06)

The Palestinian News Agency WAFA Reported That Obama Was Supportive Of The Palestinian Elections Being Held At Their Scheduled Time. "President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with the U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), in the Presidential HQ in Ramallah...President briefed the U.S. Senator about the latest developments in the Palestinian territories including the preparations for the legislative elections.... Abbas and Obama discussed the means of underpinning the American-Palestinian economic relations...Obama asserted the US supports and eager that the Palestinian legislative elections on its proposed time (January 25)."

Yeah, Joe- 0bama is so damned concerned about hamas that when pressed about jimmy carter's support for hamas, 0bama just wanted to eat his waffle.

Biden: Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won.

When he says "ON the West Bank," he speaks as if he's talking about the west bank of a river. Judea and Samaria extend 25 miles towards the west (and they go up thousands of feet.) Some river bank.

This area has this name because the Arabs had nothing else to call it. The land has never been in their history so they've never had a mental image of this land as being anything other than its geographical position near a river (and even this is an invention only several decades old.)

"West Bank" says nothing about anyone. It would be like calling a town "Rock Next to a Tree" or "20 Foot Ditch." It isn't even an affectionate name for a supposedly much loved landscape.

No one calls him/herself a "West Bankian." There are still Samaritans, though. "Good Samaritan" is a term in use today. No "Good West Bankians," though.

Biden thinks he knows the Middle East, but he's as clueless as Jimmy Carter.

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Funny:
"They will be out in full force tonight attempting to alter reality and voter opinion. (snip)
Vote early and vote often!"

You don't know what a Bosniac is?

That's why this is the most important election in 32 years!

I think Sarah rocked tonight. But to be fair, Biden is also an excellent debater. I think both Biden and Sarah are better debaters than Obama or McCain.

But to the subject of this post, when the elections were held, they were held in both West Bank and Gaza. So I guess to be 100% accurate, Biden should have said the "Palastinean territories" or, as most Israelis would say, "Judea and Sumaria." (Not sure about the spelling.)

So not a big gaffe. Even my grandma knows the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, so I'm sure Biden does as well.

No matter. Obama is still likely to win, but Palin just made herself a credible candidate for 2012.

From the transcript:

IFILL: Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Governor Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Senator Biden.

[Link: elections.nytimes.com...]

Gov Palin has more executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain.

re: #22 Percopius
re: #21 Sharmuta
re: #17 Ben F
I gotta wait 24-48 hours for all the Biden BS to get sorted out.
Fully half of his comments invoked a mental "WTF" from me, but I'm even less prepared than Palin to immediately call BS.

Karl Rove (the magificent b*stard) came up with 10 items off the top of his head.

re: #41 jaunte

Yes, the irony is lost on them.

re: #32 Psaturn

I think someone mentioned Bosniac...not sure who...

Zombie did. Bosniaks

re: #38 karmic_inquisitor

re: #41 jaunte

The projection is staggering.

Basically, I keep a careful eye on what they claim republicans will do. Because they'll use that as justification (true or not) to do it themselves.

re: #4 Sharmuta

I know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, and I didn't need 35 years in the Senate either. Perhaps I'm qualified to be Vice President?

PALIN - SHARMUTA 2012

re: #3 hypothetical truth

I still need to watch the debate, anybody have a favorite place other than cspan?

If you click the link to the transcript they have the video also.

Uh, does anyone have any idea of what the hell Biden was talking about when he mentioned that he told the Spanish to "Stuff it" (may have been in connection with Afghanistan, not sure) ?

Google's top headlines on the debate are hilarious!

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Democrat: "We had to destroy the system and the Constitution to save it." There is no doubt in my mind liberals believe America "needs" destroying. The statement is screaming implicit, sometimes even explicit, at every foreign policy debate or argument.

Lizards, prepare your selves for the worst. There is a very good chance Mr. and Mrs. America will vote McCain-Palin in excellent numbers. But if it doesn't turn out that way--don't wait to Inauguration Day to start preparing for a new Kampuchean nightmare.

re: #43 guest77

I think Sarah rocked tonight. But to be fair, Biden is also an excellent debater. I think both Biden and Sarah are better debaters than Obama or McCain.

I can't be the only one thinking that this election would be much more fun if the Dem ticket positions were switched - Biden for Pres, Obama for VP. The debates would be wicked. Two cranky old mofos duking it out on Friday, and then two young "attractive radicals" fighting it out the next Thursday? I'd love to see Sarah rip Obama a new one. I'd love to see McPain and Biden tossing 1960s-vintage curse words at one another.

Why does Biden get to be an idiot? I am serious. Why does he get to pretend, make false statements, and sneer like he has something to say when he does not?
Example. When Dem Operative and Racist Ideologue Iffle asked whether Palin shared Cheney's view of Legislative privileges because of the VP's rolll in the Senate, I thought Palin should have confirmed the duality of the role, but say the extent was uncontested. Instead, she gave a relatively weak answer, from which Biden, who sneered through Palin's response, seemed abysmally ignorant of the controversy and replied to an unasked question.

I've been searching "obama hamas elections" in yahoo and get to page 7 to find our own Thanos:

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

OT - Other happenings on October 2nd:
(1836)

Oct 02, 1836, Charles Darwin returned to England after 5 years of acquiring knowledge around the world about fauna, flora, wildlife and geology. He used the information to develop his "theory of evolution" which he unveiled in his 1859 book entitled "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection."

#1 HelloDare:
LOL ! Funny #1 post...

I think Biden and the Bosniacs would be a bitching heavy metal rock band name. They could take on Timmeh! and the Lords of the Underworld.

WSJ poll needs some lizard input.

re: #24 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yeah. Palin said that McCain would move our embassy to Jerusalem.

Name me a single Presidential candidate in the last few decades who did NOT promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

She also said that she supported the "two state solution." Translation: continuation of the current idiotic and dangerous pretense that Israel has a partner for peace. The Straight Talk Express doesn't stop at that station, apparently.

No worse than Obama/Biden, but no better. Pretty much a third term of the Bush Administration's policies on that front.

Sorry, not impressed.

re: #54 Timbre

Democrat: "We had to destroy the system and the Constitution to save it." There is no doubt in my mind liberals believe America "needs" destroying. The statement is screaming implicit, sometimes even explicit, at every foreign policy debate or argument.

In Obama's ads, he frequently talks about "rebuilding America."

He's really looking to reinvent America. He would have to destroy the Constitution to do this. He's got some things in mind that would damage America enough to take at least a generation to repair it. He's got to be defeated.

re: #52 realwest

Uh, does anyone have any idea of what the hell Biden was talking about when he mentioned that he told the Spanish to "Stuff it" (may have been in connection with Afghanistan, not sure) ?

What went through my mind at that moment was:

"No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

WTF Joe...

re: #55 Pawn of the Oppressor

That would certainly be the saner configuration. I would be a whole lot less creeped out if Obummer were in the #2 position.

But to be fair, Biden is also an excellent debater.

Correction - he is a MasterDebator...

re: #61 Ben F

So Obama promised it also? Cool. No diff then. Thanks for the opinion.

Strange line from Biden:
'You’ve been very kind, suggesting my only Achilles’ heel is my lack of discipline. Others talk about my excessive passion. I’m not going to change."

Anyone aware of people talking about Biden's excess of passion?

re: #61 Ben F

I'm with you. Having to pay lip service to gorebull warming is in much the same vein. No one has the guts to get real on these two topics.

re: #61 Ben F

Yeah. Palin said that McCain would move our embassy to Jerusalem.

Name me a single Presidential candidate in the last few decades who did NOT promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

She also said that she supported the "two state solution." Translation: continuation of the current idiotic and dangerous pretense that Israel has a partner for peace. The Straight Talk Express doesn't stop at that station, apparently.

No worse than Obama/Biden, but no better. Pretty much a third term of the Bush Administration's policies on that front.

Sorry, not impressed.

And I'm not impressed with you, so I guess that makes us even...

re: #65 leftover54

*Holding back the obvious reply, especially since it would include Palin*

re: #61 Ben F

Name me a single Presidential candidate in the last few decades who did NOT promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

I didn't know that. Crap. :(

The two-state business sounded very empty to me, I think it's reflexive to say that these days, though she didn't say that Israel "lacked a viable peace partner", which is what OLD Bush would have said. Are they that desparate to not smell like Bush, that they can't even say something that sounds like him, even when he was right?

I was heartened to hear her say "I love Israel". No conditions, she just said it, three words, very nice to hear in this day and age.

re: #67 jaunte

Yeah. The mental health professional who are bewildered by his towering IQ, but staggering application.

re: #52 realwest

Uh, does anyone have any idea of what the hell Biden was talking about when he mentioned that he told the Spanish to "Stuff it" (may have been in connection with Afghanistan, not sure) ?

During an interview on Sept. 18, McCain's responses came across as though he was unaware of who was the leader of Spain. This BBC article explains it better.

/Nice to see you, realwest!

O/T: Very bad development in the War Against Terrorists.

re: #67 jaunte

Strange line from Biden:
'You’ve been very kind, suggesting my only Achilles’ heel is my lack of discipline. Others talk about my excessive passion. I’m not going to change."

Anyone aware of people talking about Biden's excess of passion?

Roommate laughed at that one. Pointed out that it's a classic job interview answer: "My biggest flaw is that I work too hard".

Of course Biden knows where the West Bank is, it's where FDR spoke on television in 1929. Right?

re: #60 pink freud

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They don't want my vote, apparently. :P

re: #17 Ben F

Biden was right.

HAMAS won in the West Bank as well as in Gaza.

HAMAS won across the board.

HAMAS has since taken over Gaza by force, but it still has political legitimacy even in the "West Bank" because of its electoral victory.

The US and Israel now intend to support an unlawful extension of the presidency of Mahmoud Abbas once his term runs in January. Why? Because under the election law he would be replaced by a HAMAS-nik.

Pick nits if you like, but this wasn't one of them. And even if it were, it wouldn't change the fact that Biden cleaned Palin's clock tonight.

At least try to get your facts straight.

True, Hamas' victory was sweeping. However, they carried 5/11 districts on the West Bank, compared to 4/5 districts in Gaza.

Hamas isn't considered by and large to have political legitimacy in the WB at all. They have mayors there and they cause a lot of trouble, but citizens of the West Bank, even in Ramallah and Hebron, begrudgingly accept Fatah's rule there.

Hamas won the election by a landslide, it's true. But it won that election in Gaza, it established its powerbase in Gaza, it has been headquartered in Gaza for a good, long time and it is now in control of, you guessed it, Gaza - not the West Bank.

re: #61 Ben F

She also said that she supported the "two state solution." Translation: continuation of the current idiotic and dangerous pretense that Israel has a partner for peace. The Straight Talk Express doesn't stop at that station, apparently.

There's nothing scary about a U.S. President and Vice President talking about the "two state solution" in general (since it's not going to happen.) The Arabs will never accept any sort of deal that doesn't come with an end to Israel's existence. They've never wanted a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. They only want Israel gone.

No worse than Obama/Biden, but no better.

Obama is a million times scarier on the subject of Israel because he has advisors who belong to the "Let's just knock some heads together for their own good" Middle East policy (which can be translated as: "Let's force Israel to do things that would get thousands or hundreds of thousands of Jews killed [G-d forbid] because we know better than Israel what it takes to make peace.")

Obama would try to force suicidal moves on Israel whereas McCain/Palin will not.

This is a huge difference.

re: #76 Dadzilla

Of course Biden knows where the West Bank is, it's where FDR spoke on television in 1929. Right?

Or it's on the other side of the East Bank, just off Wall Street.

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

I got that too, when I clicked the green "vote" button. But it worked when I clicked the picture of the candidate (Palin imho). :)

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

I had to try 6 times before I got my vote to register. Keep tryin'!

re: #80 snuffyword

Or it's on the other side of the East Bank, just off Wall Street.

It's not adjacent to the Left Bank in Paris?

Biden's ignorance on nuclear matters is a bit astonishing considering his 35+ years as a Senator. His assertion that Pakistan has missiles capable of hitting Israel vastly overstates the case. Pakistan has tested IRBM's in the 2000 km range with an operational cruise missile in the 220 km range. Distance between the two countries is about 3000 km.

re: #4 Sharmuta

I know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, and I didn't need 35 years in the Senate either. Perhaps I'm qualified to be Vice President?

Lady, I would voter for you or Mandymatters in a flash.

re: #83 Outrider

It's not adjacent to the Left Bank in Paris?

No, because that would be opposite the Right Bank...and there is nothing "Right" in Europe.

re: #81 gop_patriot

I got that too, when I clicked the green "vote" button. But it worked when I clicked the picture of the candidate (Palin imho). :)

re: #82 pink freud

I had to try 6 times before I got my vote to register. Keep tryin'!

Ah! It finally worked! Yay. So far 52% Biden, 47.3% Palin, 0.7% neither.

re: #82 pink freud

Hi PF (Best Nic Ever, TM). Can't make it work.

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

They don't want my vote, apparently. :P

Had to click my vote for palin 4 times before it finally took and did not get era message.

Well, we all know the Dems and freaks are pushing the polls. no surprise there.

re: #88 pat

Hi PF (Best Nic Ever, TM). Can't make it work.

Try clicking a few more times. I'd guess they're being overrun like we were a couple of hours ago.

re: #85 HD Woman

Aww, shucks.

re: #13 Bushwack1

That in my opinion is the REAL change we need in DC, Someone who hasnt been corrupted by the DC crew, McCain is a maverick so to speak because he goes against the flow on some things. Biden and Obama have been in the political realm and are used to the strong arm tactics of the DEMORAT party.
Sarah Palin is about as far away from DC as you can get, and she is a people person.. I am voting for John McCain/Sarah Palin but the truth is I am voting for Sarah Palin.

you are not alone in that feeling. my vote was a foregone conclusion, but the only reason i won't be holding my nose in November is because i'm voting for her.

Palin should have mentioned that Hamas endorsed Obama. Ahmed Yousef, prime minister of Hamas endorsed Obama in an interview on WABC radio, in April.

re: #85 HD Woman

Lady, I would voter for you or Mandymatters in a flash.

I think Mandy would make a better Secretary of State.

OK, gotta get some sleep. Great debate, great thread.

There is HOPE that we will CHANGE the MSM prediction.

Nite all!

Biden probably thinks the West Bank needs to be bailed out. :)

re: #95 Fat Jolly Penguin
I can see that either way.

re: #95 Fat Jolly Penguin

I think Mandy would make a better Secretary of State.

"Hey Achmadinejad, FUCK YOU!"

I LIKE it. Got my vote.

re: #95 Fat Jolly Penguin

I think Mandy would make a better Secretary of State.

Yeah - but she would have to tone down her *whacks*

/

If I ever ran, I'd pick TFK as my running mate because I couldn't think of another person the Senate would least like to have watching over them. :D

re: #100 Bobibutu

Yeah - but she would have to tone down her *whacks*

/

Bet the clue X four would get a good workout though

re: #43 guest77

and another one rises up out of it's hide after all these years.....

He's really looking to reinvent America. He would have to destroy the Constitution to do this. He's got some things in mind that would damage America ..."

And more than half the country supports him in this.
Freakin' mind boggling - we are in the minority...I just can't get over this ! Almost "waking nightmare". We used to laugh when we were kidz anytime someone