Or his ass from his elbow.

...and even if the West Bank was Gaza, when, for God's sake, did Obama or Biden say any of these things?

I still need to watch the debate, anybody have a favorite place other than cspan?

I know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, and I didn't need 35 years in the Senate either. Perhaps I'm qualified to be Vice President?

Either way, to Obama's camp the problem is the Joooooos

nice to know the people running things know less than most people in first year poli sci.

I'm a catholic- not a particularly devout or observant catholic- but I do in fact know the difference between the Gaza and West Bank simply because Jesus' birthplace is located along the West Bank.

And call me bigoted or what have you, but I would rather have the Israelis as custodians of the Church of the Nativity than the Paleo-stinians who were celebrating and passing out sweets on Sept. 11th, 2001.

This is exactly the kind of mistake that would keep Palin on the front pages for the rest of the week.

Thanks for posting the link to transcript Charles...

We'll for sure see lots of AP and Reuters articles tomorrow pointing out this gaffe.

/

If they could figure out how to enact a terrorism tax the Dems would be more informed on the subject.

re: #7 Fenway_Nation

I'm a catholic- not a particularly devout or observant catholic- but I do in fact know the difference between the Gaza and West Bank simply because Jesus' birthplace is located along the West Bank.

And call me bigoted or what have you, but ...

I hereby call thee "what have you".

That in my opinion is the REAL change we need in DC, Someone who hasnt been corrupted by the DC crew, McCain is a maverick so to speak because he goes against the flow on some things. Biden and Obama have been in the political realm and are used to the strong arm tactics of the DEMORAT party.
Sarah Palin is about as far away from DC as you can get, and she is a people person.. I am voting for John McCain/Sarah Palin but the truth is I am voting for Sarah Palin.

re: #8 Pythagoras

This is exactly the kind of mistake that would keep Palin on the front pages for the rest of the week month.

Fixed it.

Don't forget the Bonsiacs.

G'night everyone.

The West Bank? Wasn't FDR the President of the West Bank back in 1929?

Biden was right.

HAMAS won in the West Bank as well as in Gaza.

HAMAS won across the board.

HAMAS has since taken over Gaza by force, but it still has political legitimacy even in the "West Bank" because of its electoral victory.

The US and Israel now intend to support an unlawful extension of the presidency of Mahmoud Abbas once his term runs in January. Why? Because under the election law he would be replaced by a HAMAS-nik.

Pick nits if you like, but this wasn't one of them. And even if it were, it wouldn't change the fact that Biden cleaned Palin's clock tonight.

re: #16 HelloDare

Didn't he have a televised address to the nation regarding that issue.

re: #15 Noam Sayin'

What's a Bonsiac?

One should also note that, back then, Obama was squarely in the pro-Palestinian camp. I am going to go find some links, but I am pretty sure he had no problem with elections in Gaza.

Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won.

And endorsed 0bama.

What a freaking idiot. He also forgot the name of Lebanon and said ' from the country to the north of Israel' in one line of complete bluster. Am I right on that, did you all hear that too?

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Someone from Bosnia.

Oh, and Joe - did you catch the geography lesson from Gov. Sarah? Israel's capital is Jerusalem.

Take that to your failing bank, baby!

Last year, Obama’s Church “reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

Actually I think he meant to say Bongiacs. You know, one of those dirty hippies.

re: #23 Fenway_Nation

Actually, someone from Bonsia, which is close to Bosnia, but not quite.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

Wozniak's French cousin. He works for Le Macintosh.

/reaching

The difference between Gaza and West Bank is that there are no IDF in Gaza...no Jews in Gaza...

re: #27 CheDub
LMAO

GMTA!

re: #27 CheDub

Actually, someone from Bonsia, which is close to Bosnia, but not quite.

Is their national tree the Bonsai?

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

I think someone mentioned Bosniac...not sure who...

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Progressive astroturf!

Does anyone doubt this? This Blowhard Biden is only a heartbeat from the White house. Now that is a scary thought.

re: #32 Psaturn

I think someone mentioned Bosniac...not sure who...

I'm pretty sure that was Senator 'Obiden'

re: #32 Psaturn

Ah, I missed it.

re: #30 esch

Thanks, I credit the bottle of wine working through my system.

re: #20 karmic_inquisitor

Obama Was For Palestinian Elections Before He Was Against Them

FLIP-FLOP #4: Obama Now Claims That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006, But He Supported Them At That Time:

Obama Says That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006. Obama: "There is no room at the negotiating table for terrorist organizations. That is why I opposed holding elections in 2006 with Hamas on the ballot. The Israelis and the Palestinian Authority warned us at the time against holding these elections, but this administration pressed ahead. And the result is a Gaza controlled by Hamas, with rockets raining down on Israel." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08)

But During His 2006 Trip To The Middle East, Obama Met With Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas And Said The Election Represented An "Opportunity...To Consolidate Behind A Single Government." "Illinois Senator Barack Obama's journey to the Middle East took him to the West Bank Thursday for a meeting with the man elected to replace Yasser Arafat. ... For a time Thursday in the West Bank there was only the clatter of cameras as the newly elected president of the Palestinian authority, Mahmoud Abbas, met with Illinois Senator Barack Obama. At a meeting with Palestinian students Thursday, Obama said the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel, and Obama told ABC7 he delivered that message to the Palestinian president. 'Part of the opportunity here with this upcoming election is to consolidate behind a single government with a single authority that can then negotiate as a reliable partner with Israel,' said Obama." (Chuck Goudie, "Obama Meets With Arafat's Successor," ABC 7 News, [Link: obama.senate.gov,...] 1/12/06)

The Palestinian News Agency WAFA Reported That Obama Was Supportive Of The Palestinian Elections Being Held At Their Scheduled Time. "President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with the U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), in the Presidential HQ in Ramallah...President briefed the U.S. Senator about the latest developments in the Palestinian territories including the preparations for the legislative elections.... Abbas and Obama discussed the means of underpinning the American-Palestinian economic relations...Obama asserted the US supports and eager that the Palestinian legislative elections on its proposed time (January 25)."

Yeah, Joe- 0bama is so damned concerned about hamas that when pressed about jimmy carter's support for hamas, 0bama just wanted to eat his waffle.

Biden: Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won.

When he says "ON the West Bank," he speaks as if he's talking about the west bank of a river. Judea and Samaria extend 25 miles towards the west (and they go up thousands of feet.) Some river bank.

This area has this name because the Arabs had nothing else to call it. The land has never been in their history so they've never had a mental image of this land as being anything other than its geographical position near a river (and even this is an invention only several decades old.)

"West Bank" says nothing about anyone. It would be like calling a town "Rock Next to a Tree" or "20 Foot Ditch." It isn't even an affectionate name for a supposedly much loved landscape.

No one calls him/herself a "West Bankian." There are still Samaritans, though. "Good Samaritan" is a term in use today. No "Good West Bankians," though.

Biden thinks he knows the Middle East, but he's as clueless as Jimmy Carter.

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Funny:
"They will be out in full force tonight attempting to alter reality and voter opinion. (snip)
Vote early and vote often!"

You don't know what a Bosniac is?

That's why this is the most important election in 32 years!

I think Sarah rocked tonight. But to be fair, Biden is also an excellent debater. I think both Biden and Sarah are better debaters than Obama or McCain.

But to the subject of this post, when the elections were held, they were held in both West Bank and Gaza. So I guess to be 100% accurate, Biden should have said the "Palastinean territories" or, as most Israelis would say, "Judea and Sumaria." (Not sure about the spelling.)

So not a big gaffe. Even my grandma knows the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, so I'm sure Biden does as well.

No matter. Obama is still likely to win, but Palin just made herself a credible candidate for 2012.

From the transcript:

IFILL: Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Governor Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Senator Biden.

[Link: elections.nytimes.com...]

Gov Palin has more executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain.

re: #22 Percopius
re: #21 Sharmuta
re: #17 Ben F
I gotta wait 24-48 hours for all the Biden BS to get sorted out.
Fully half of his comments invoked a mental "WTF" from me, but I'm even less prepared than Palin to immediately call BS.

Karl Rove (the magificent b*stard) came up with 10 items off the top of his head.

re: #41 jaunte

Yes, the irony is lost on them.

re: #32 Psaturn

I think someone mentioned Bosniac...not sure who...

Zombie did. Bosniaks

re: #38 karmic_inquisitor

Obama Was For Palestinian Elections Before He Was Against Them

FLIP-FLOP #4: Obama Now Claims That He Opposed Palestinian Elections In 2006, But He Supported Them At That Time:

The Mocha Messiah does not lie. Everything he says is truth. Yesterday's truth may not be today's truth, but if he says it, it's true.

Now put on your blue shirt, and your pin, turn your TV to the Obama channel, shut up, and HOPE. Or are you some kind of RACIST?

/

It's like the Mohammedan doctrine of Abrogation, except for Democrats.

re: #41 jaunte

The projection is staggering.

Basically, I keep a careful eye on what they claim republicans will do. Because they'll use that as justification (true or not) to do it themselves.

re: #4 Sharmuta

I know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, and I didn't need 35 years in the Senate either. Perhaps I'm qualified to be Vice President?

PALIN - SHARMUTA 2012

re: #3 hypothetical truth

I still need to watch the debate, anybody have a favorite place other than cspan?

If you click the link to the transcript they have the video also.

Uh, does anyone have any idea of what the hell Biden was talking about when he mentioned that he told the Spanish to "Stuff it" (may have been in connection with Afghanistan, not sure) ?

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Democrat: "We had to destroy the system and the Constitution to save it." There is no doubt in my mind liberals believe America "needs" destroying. The statement is screaming implicit, sometimes even explicit, at every foreign policy debate or argument.

Lizards, prepare your selves for the worst. There is a very good chance Mr. and Mrs. America will vote McCain-Palin in excellent numbers. But if it doesn't turn out that way--don't wait to Inauguration Day to start preparing for a new Kampuchean nightmare.

re: #43 guest77

I think Sarah rocked tonight. But to be fair, Biden is also an excellent debater. I think both Biden and Sarah are better debaters than Obama or McCain.

I can't be the only one thinking that this election would be much more fun if the Dem ticket positions were switched - Biden for Pres, Obama for VP. The debates would be wicked. Two cranky old mofos duking it out on Friday, and then two young "attractive radicals" fighting it out the next Thursday? I'd love to see Sarah rip Obama a new one. I'd love to see McPain and Biden tossing 1960s-vintage curse words at one another.

Why does Biden get to be an idiot? I am serious. Why does he get to pretend, make false statements, and sneer like he has something to say when he does not?
Example. When Dem Operative and Racist Ideologue Iffle asked whether Palin shared Cheney's view of Legislative privileges because of the VP's rolll in the Senate, I thought Palin should have confirmed the duality of the role, but say the extent was uncontested. Instead, she gave a relatively weak answer, from which Biden, who sneered through Palin's response, seemed abysmally ignorant of the controversy and replied to an unasked question.

I've been searching "obama hamas elections" in yahoo and get to page 7 to find our own Thanos:

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Oct 02, 1836, Charles Darwin returned to England after 5 years of acquiring knowledge around the world about fauna, flora, wildlife and geology. He used the information to develop his "theory of evolution" which he unveiled in his 1859 book entitled "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection."

#1 HelloDare:
LOL ! Funny #1 post...

I think Biden and the Bosniacs would be a bitching heavy metal rock band name. They could take on Timmeh! and the Lords of the Underworld.

WSJ poll needs some lizard input.

re: #24 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yeah. Palin said that McCain would move our embassy to Jerusalem.

Name me a single Presidential candidate in the last few decades who did NOT promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

She also said that she supported the "two state solution." Translation: continuation of the current idiotic and dangerous pretense that Israel has a partner for peace. The Straight Talk Express doesn't stop at that station, apparently.

No worse than Obama/Biden, but no better. Pretty much a third term of the Bush Administration's policies on that front.

Sorry, not impressed.

re: #54 Timbre

Democrat: "We had to destroy the system and the Constitution to save it." There is no doubt in my mind liberals believe America "needs" destroying. The statement is screaming implicit, sometimes even explicit, at every foreign policy debate or argument.

In Obama's ads, he frequently talks about "rebuilding America."

He's really looking to reinvent America. He would have to destroy the Constitution to do this. He's got some things in mind that would damage America enough to take at least a generation to repair it. He's got to be defeated.

re: #52 realwest

Uh, does anyone have any idea of what the hell Biden was talking about when he mentioned that he told the Spanish to "Stuff it" (may have been in connection with Afghanistan, not sure) ?

What went through my mind at that moment was:

"No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

WTF Joe...

re: #55 Pawn of the Oppressor

That would certainly be the saner configuration. I would be a whole lot less creeped out if Obummer were in the #2 position.

But to be fair, Biden is also an excellent debater.

Correction - he is a MasterDebator...

re: #61 Ben F

So Obama promised it also? Cool. No diff then. Thanks for the opinion.

Strange line from Biden:
'You’ve been very kind, suggesting my only Achilles’ heel is my lack of discipline. Others talk about my excessive passion. I’m not going to change."

Anyone aware of people talking about Biden's excess of passion?

re: #61 Ben F

I'm with you. Having to pay lip service to gorebull warming is in much the same vein. No one has the guts to get real on these two topics.

re: #61 Ben F

Yeah. Palin said that McCain would move our embassy to Jerusalem.

Name me a single Presidential candidate in the last few decades who did NOT promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

She also said that she supported the "two state solution." Translation: continuation of the current idiotic and dangerous pretense that Israel has a partner for peace. The Straight Talk Express doesn't stop at that station, apparently.

No worse than Obama/Biden, but no better. Pretty much a third term of the Bush Administration's policies on that front.

Sorry, not impressed.

And I'm not impressed with you, so I guess that makes us even...

re: #65 leftover54

*Holding back the obvious reply, especially since it would include Palin*

re: #61 Ben F

Name me a single Presidential candidate in the last few decades who did NOT promise to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

I didn't know that. Crap. :(

The two-state business sounded very empty to me, I think it's reflexive to say that these days, though she didn't say that Israel "lacked a viable peace partner", which is what OLD Bush would have said. Are they that desparate to not smell like Bush, that they can't even say something that sounds like him, even when he was right?

I was heartened to hear her say "I love Israel". No conditions, she just said it, three words, very nice to hear in this day and age.

re: #67 jaunte

Yeah. The mental health professional who are bewildered by his towering IQ, but staggering application.

re: #52 realwest

Uh, does anyone have any idea of what the hell Biden was talking about when he mentioned that he told the Spanish to "Stuff it" (may have been in connection with Afghanistan, not sure) ?

During an interview on Sept. 18, McCain's responses came across as though he was unaware of who was the leader of Spain. This BBC article explains it better.

/Nice to see you, realwest!

O/T: Very bad development in the War Against Terrorists.

re: #67 jaunte

Strange line from Biden:
'You’ve been very kind, suggesting my only Achilles’ heel is my lack of discipline. Others talk about my excessive passion. I’m not going to change."

Anyone aware of people talking about Biden's excess of passion?

Roommate laughed at that one. Pointed out that it's a classic job interview answer: "My biggest flaw is that I work too hard".

Of course Biden knows where the West Bank is, it's where FDR spoke on television in 1929. Right?

re: #60 pink freud

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They don't want my vote, apparently. :P

re: #17 Ben F

Biden was right.

HAMAS won in the West Bank as well as in Gaza.

HAMAS won across the board.

HAMAS has since taken over Gaza by force, but it still has political legitimacy even in the "West Bank" because of its electoral victory.

The US and Israel now intend to support an unlawful extension of the presidency of Mahmoud Abbas once his term runs in January. Why? Because under the election law he would be replaced by a HAMAS-nik.

Pick nits if you like, but this wasn't one of them. And even if it were, it wouldn't change the fact that Biden cleaned Palin's clock tonight.

At least try to get your facts straight.

True, Hamas' victory was sweeping. However, they carried 5/11 districts on the West Bank, compared to 4/5 districts in Gaza.

Hamas isn't considered by and large to have political legitimacy in the WB at all. They have mayors there and they cause a lot of trouble, but citizens of the West Bank, even in Ramallah and Hebron, begrudgingly accept Fatah's rule there.

Hamas won the election by a landslide, it's true. But it won that election in Gaza, it established its powerbase in Gaza, it has been headquartered in Gaza for a good, long time and it is now in control of, you guessed it, Gaza - not the West Bank.

re: #61 Ben F

She also said that she supported the "two state solution." Translation: continuation of the current idiotic and dangerous pretense that Israel has a partner for peace. The Straight Talk Express doesn't stop at that station, apparently.

There's nothing scary about a U.S. President and Vice President talking about the "two state solution" in general (since it's not going to happen.) The Arabs will never accept any sort of deal that doesn't come with an end to Israel's existence. They've never wanted a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. They only want Israel gone.

No worse than Obama/Biden, but no better.

Obama is a million times scarier on the subject of Israel because he has advisors who belong to the "Let's just knock some heads together for their own good" Middle East policy (which can be translated as: "Let's force Israel to do things that would get thousands or hundreds of thousands of Jews killed [G-d forbid] because we know better than Israel what it takes to make peace.")

Obama would try to force suicidal moves on Israel whereas McCain/Palin will not.

This is a huge difference.

re: #76 Dadzilla

Of course Biden knows where the West Bank is, it's where FDR spoke on television in 1929. Right?

Or it's on the other side of the East Bank, just off Wall Street.

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

I got that too, when I clicked the green "vote" button. But it worked when I clicked the picture of the candidate (Palin imho). :)

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

I had to try 6 times before I got my vote to register. Keep tryin'!

re: #80 snuffyword

Or it's on the other side of the East Bank, just off Wall Street.

It's not adjacent to the Left Bank in Paris?

Biden's ignorance on nuclear matters is a bit astonishing considering his 35+ years as a Senator. His assertion that Pakistan has missiles capable of hitting Israel vastly overstates the case. Pakistan has tested IRBM's in the 2000 km range with an operational cruise missile in the 220 km range. Distance between the two countries is about 3000 km.

re: #4 Sharmuta

I know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, and I didn't need 35 years in the Senate either. Perhaps I'm qualified to be Vice President?

Lady, I would voter for you or Mandymatters in a flash.

re: #83 Outrider

It's not adjacent to the Left Bank in Paris?

No, because that would be opposite the Right Bank...and there is nothing "Right" in Europe.

re: #81 gop_patriot

I got that too, when I clicked the green "vote" button. But it worked when I clicked the picture of the candidate (Palin imho). :)

re: #82 pink freud

I had to try 6 times before I got my vote to register. Keep tryin'!

Ah! It finally worked! Yay. So far 52% Biden, 47.3% Palin, 0.7% neither.

re: #82 pink freud

Hi PF (Best Nic Ever, TM). Can't make it work.

re: #77 Fat Jolly Penguin

They don't want my vote, apparently. :P

Had to click my vote for palin 4 times before it finally took and did not get era message.

Well, we all know the Dems and freaks are pushing the polls. no surprise there.

re: #88 pat

Hi PF (Best Nic Ever, TM). Can't make it work.

Try clicking a few more times. I'd guess they're being overrun like we were a couple of hours ago.

re: #85 HD Woman

Aww, shucks.

re: #13 Bushwack1

That in my opinion is the REAL change we need in DC, Someone who hasnt been corrupted by the DC crew, McCain is a maverick so to speak because he goes against the flow on some things. Biden and Obama have been in the political realm and are used to the strong arm tactics of the DEMORAT party.
Sarah Palin is about as far away from DC as you can get, and she is a people person.. I am voting for John McCain/Sarah Palin but the truth is I am voting for Sarah Palin.

you are not alone in that feeling. my vote was a foregone conclusion, but the only reason i won't be holding my nose in November is because i'm voting for her.

Palin should have mentioned that Hamas endorsed Obama. Ahmed Yousef, prime minister of Hamas endorsed Obama in an interview on WABC radio, in April.

re: #85 HD Woman

Lady, I would voter for you or Mandymatters in a flash.

I think Mandy would make a better Secretary of State.

OK, gotta get some sleep. Great debate, great thread.

There is HOPE that we will CHANGE the MSM prediction.

Nite all!

Biden probably thinks the West Bank needs to be bailed out. :)

re: #95 Fat Jolly Penguin
I can see that either way.

re: #95 Fat Jolly Penguin

I think Mandy would make a better Secretary of State.

"Hey Achmadinejad, FUCK YOU!"

I LIKE it. Got my vote.

re: #95 Fat Jolly Penguin

I think Mandy would make a better Secretary of State.

Yeah - but she would have to tone down her *whacks*

/

If I ever ran, I'd pick TFK as my running mate because I couldn't think of another person the Senate would least like to have watching over them. :D

re: #100 Bobibutu

Yeah - but she would have to tone down her *whacks*

/

Bet the clue X four would get a good workout though

re: #43 guest77

and another one rises up out of it's hide after all these years.....

He's really looking to reinvent America. He would have to destroy the Constitution to do this. He's got some things in mind that would damage America ..."

And more than half the country supports him in this.
Freakin' mind boggling - we are in the minority...I just can't get over this ! Almost "waking nightmare". We used to laugh when we were kidz anytime someone threw out that Khrushchev line at us as a warning (take over without firing a shot) - a real possibility that I will live to see it go down. My poor ex Marine (well you know what I mean) WWII generation uncle - almost 90 years old, may see this come to pass in his lifetime. From bombs n' blue jeans to jackets and power ties to the White House.
All sounds defeatist - I haven't given up, just need to purge and then re double commitment to work to prevent this from ever coming to pass.

"Give up! You can't get away from us! We're not gonna hurt you!"

"Listen to me! Please listen! If you don't, if you won't, if you fail to understand, then the same incredible terror that's menacing me WILL STRIKE AT YOU!"
/Kevin McCarthy

re: #101 Sharmuta

If I ever ran, I'd pick TFK as my running mate because I couldn't think of another person the Senate would least like to have watching over them. :D

heh Especially if your name was John Effin Kerry. ;-)>

re: #102 Outrider

Bet the clue X four would get a good workout though

RGR that!

re: #53 really grumpy big dog johnson

you misspelled "predictable"...... %-)

re: #88 pat

Good evening Pat :)

Nice to see you. I've been seeing that the bastidges have had you down the last few days. Hang in there, Obama won't win this thing.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

What's a Bonsiac?

They make those little trees.

re: #70 CheDub

Can't say the thought didn't cross my...er, ah....yes, she came across as very knowledgeable...um, she is such a smart woman.

pass the saltpeter please...

...and I swore to myself I would not get into...

re: #105 Outrider

heh Especially if your name was John Effin Kerry. ;-)>

See- you got my drift!

I missed the debate threads, and it'd be no fun to just read them now, but is there any consensus that it, like, changed any votes? I'm afraid not. Boy, did Biden out-lie himself, though, plus however many Bosniac gaffes and goofs. But no dem will notice or care.

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re: #87 Fat Jolly Penguin

Ah! It finally worked! Yay. So far 52% Biden, 47.3% Palin, 0.7% neither.

You got that backwards. It's 52 Palin, 47 Biden

Anyone else think he broke the "Something about Mary" rule? He fell for her shmoozing him way too easy. He went in there with a 'loaded gun'.

I missed it too - trying to "refresh", re log in...next time I'm gonna watch first, comment after. Everybody wants to get in to the act LOL !

From the debate-

Biden: With regard to the role of vice president, I had a long talk, as I'm sure the governor did with her principal, in my case with Barack. Let me tell you what Barack asked me to do. I have a history of getting things done in the United States Senate. John McCain would acknowledge that. My record shows that on controversial issues. I would be the point person for the legislative initiatives in the United States Congress for our administration.

Later-

Biden: Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.

So he would be the point person for 0bama legislation, yet condemns Cheney for doing the exact same thing. Hypocrite.

re: #116 esch

...and he did have a better view than us - I'm sure he is very thankful for podiums !

Well, for what it's worth, my better half says that Sarah won walking away. He is probably the most non-political animal ever (has to ask which candidate is dem and which is repub.) but says she came across as normal, and Biden looked like a slimy lawyer.

I'm sorry but has anyone else mentioned he also said Pakistan has already deployed nuclear weapons ?

and he wants bankruptcy judges to not only lower interest rates
but also principal owed

boy Palin really coulda ripped him a new one
but she stayed classy

re: #115 LeePro

You got that backwards. It's 52 Palin, 47 Biden

And the gap is widening ever so slowly...

re: #101 Sharmuta

If I ever ran, I'd pick TFK as my running mate because I couldn't think of another person the Senate would least like to have watching over them. :D

can i run the FDA or the ATF?

(maybe both of them? %-)

Palin is awesome.

Hey Biden, I don't get the connection about Cheney being dangerous? Sounds like Cheney Derangement Syndrome to me.

but I still effing wanna be the first ever
"secretary of offense"

re: #123 redc1c4

You can have the FDA. I'm takin the ATF and remaning it the ATFC&D...the C&D stands for "Chips and Dip"

re: #121 Adrenalyn

I'm sorry but has anyone else mentioned he also said Pakistan has already deployed nuclear weapons ?

and he wants bankruptcy judges to not only lower interest rates
but also principal owed

boy Palin really coulda ripped him a new one
but she stayed classy

RW chimed on that - the principal stuff - taxable.

Biden: Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history.

Sorry but dems fighting words !

oooowwww - did you hear what he said about you ...?

FIGHT !
FIGHT !
FIGHT !

"All right gentleman, whats goin' on here ? Lets break it up...move along, c'mon, lets go."

"I'll see you after school Bidick..."

Biden has been one of the most brain dead Senators since...........Kennedy...?
(back to drawing boards)

re: #123 redc1c4

You would be ideal for the FDA.

/purple smoke everywhere ;p

re: #127 CheDub

remaning=renaming...dnam dsylxeia

re: #129 leftover54

If Biden keeps that up, he might get an invitation to go hunting with Dick.

Just doing a late-night drive-by post. Sarah was great! Biden sounded like John effin , liar for life, Kerry. LOL Sleep well, lizards.

re: #134 Pvt Bin Jammin

Just doing a late-night drive-by post. Sarah was great! Biden sounded like John effin , liar for life, Kerry. LOL Sleep well, lizards.

You channeling TFK?

re: #127 CheDub

You can have the FDA. I'm takin the ATF and remaning it the ATFC&D...the C&D stands for "Chips and Dip"

well, since alcohol and tobacco are drugs, and firearms can be seen as medical devices, i think they are rightfully my area of expertise.

you can be one of my subordinates. %-)

re: #61 Ben F

Troll. GAZE. Enough said.

She won.

He lost.

I'm tired.

    ¦O ^{_{ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n}}

G'nite, {good Lizards}

^{_{You, too, {red}}}

Heh.

red- you would be my press secretary. Bring all colors of smoke, please.

re: #135 Outrider

Absolutely!
Sharmuta/TFK '12

re: #131 Sharmuta

You would be ideal for the FDA.

/purple smoke everywhere ;p

given that i do pharmacy for a living, it's not so far fetched....

/white smoke

re: #136 redc1c4

That's fine...a little less power, but much less responsibility!

This Biden bit feels like that puzzle where you have to find all the mistakes in a picture, but you do not know where to start because there is so many of them. i

Do yo really want this man one heartbeat away from being President?

Me Neither

Here's some fact checking from the ap. I normally wouldn't link it, but this is funny:

BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

re: #138 LeePro

'nite Lee, good to see you. I am out too.

re: #139 Sharmuta

red- you would be my press secretary. Bring all colors of smoke, please.

i'd need the smoke to hide my legs in the miniskirt, but i'll grab the star clusters too.... they really clear a press room when you launch them on the horizontal %-)

/i'm not exactly the "secretary" type. %-)

re: #133 Sharmuta

If Biden keeps that up, he might get an invitation to go hunting with Dick.

He has an open invitation to go with me in the delta anytime.

[Link: www.sacdelta.com...]

re: #142 CheDub

That's fine...a little less power, but much less responsibility!

we can make sure you're in charge of quality control testing.

(potency, velocity, accuracy, etc..... %-)

re: #138 LeePro

She won.

He lost.

I'm tired.

    ¦O ^{_{ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n}}

G'nite, {good Lizards}

^{_{You, too, {red}}}

Heh.

BTW...
On that WSJ who-won-debate poll...

Fox News poll said had 1,000,000+ responses:
Palin 86%, Biden 12%

/jus' sayin'
g'nite.
;D

It's been fun, but I'm off to bed.

G'night all.

re: #138 LeePro

%-)

re: #150 CheDub

It's been fun, but I'm off to bed.

G'night all.

Ta - audios.

Vanishing Point - revisited. Just got finished watching the original. Kinda felt like Kowalski last night. Tell LoL that I am voting, just not for Pres.

re: #144 Sharmuta

Here's some fact checking from the ap. I normally wouldn't link it, but this is funny:

Hopefully it will be one of the insurance companies that Harry Ried said is about to go bankrupt. :)

re: #44 William

From the transcript:

Gov Palin has more executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain.

Yes, of course. But the MSM says it's HER achilles heel. Because they say so. Got it?

Obama has no achilles heel. Because they say so.

re: #155 FlakMusic

Yes, of course. But the MSM says it's HER achilles heel. Because they say so. Got it?

Obama has no achilles heel. Because they say so.

Does Michelle count?

LMAO! Pic of the night.

re: #156 Outrider

Does Michelle count?

Or his need to be tethered to a teleprompter?

gaffe machine

re: #157 Sharmuta

That's gonna hurt when it's photoshopped.

re: #121 Adrenalyn

I'm sorry but has anyone else mentioned he also said Pakistan has already deployed nuclear weapons ?

He may have been referring to Pakistan's prior nuke tests.

re: #157 Sharmuta

LMAO! Pic of the night.

At least he ain't flippen the bird like the O did.

re: #153 Mel Lono

Vanishing Point - revisited. Just got finished watching the original. Kinda felt like Kowalski last night. Tell LoL that I am voting, just not for Pres.

then vote for the VP: she's our kind of people.....

re: #163 redc1c4

Thinking about it.

Let's see what McCain is planning for the debate next Tuesday.........

"And in fact it was the women on Thursday who were urging McCain to toughen up. One audience member asked when he plans to "take the gloves off" against Obama.

The question drew a standing ovation and raucous cheers from the crowd.

Looking ahead to his next debate with Obama, a town hall style format, McCain said: "How about Tuesday night?"
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #164 Mel Lono

Just think how much the left would hate having her as our Veep.

Come on... Piss off a lefty! Vote Sarahcuda!

re: #144 Sharmuta

Here's some fact checking from the ap. I normally wouldn't link it, but this is funny:

BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

Damn, I know Biden is the GaffeMaster, but I didn't think he was completely stupid.

I guess he is...

;-P

re: #56 pat

Why does Biden get to be an idiot?

Heard a line from Mark Steyn:

Joe Biden's gaffs are like Bill Clinton's women: there's so many that after awhile they no longer matter.

PALIN IN 2012! OR IN 2016! Whose with me on this. Palin v. Hillary, now that's a debate I would pay money to see.

re: #169 guest77

That's been my prediction since they picked Palin. If McCain wins 2012 Palin vs. Clinton for pres. that should be fun

This is not a Gaffe. You are wrong, Charles.

The parliament elections were held at West Bank and Gaza, and Hamas won. Hamas controlled the parliament and the goverment in West Bank (and Gaza) until they took over Gaza's presidential compound and then Abbas dismantled the Hamas goverment.

re: #67 jaunte

Strange line from Biden:
'You’ve been very kind, suggesting my only Achilles’ heel is my lack of discipline. Others talk about my excessive passion. I’m not going to change."

Anyone aware of people talking about Biden's excess of passion?

No. I had to bust out laughing when he said that. "No, Joe...your weakness isn't that you are a gaffe factory, and that you have a habit of fabricating things it would be just as easy to tell the truth about. No, it's not that, Joe...it's your passion!"

Oy.

I have to go to bed, but I want to know what the plan is to get this info out to the masses. McCain won't do much past his list that he's sent around. The MSM sure as hay-ell ain't gonna touch these facts.

Zombie's right. It's up to us. I can e-mail a bunch of stuff, but we need something to go viral. Any editors out there who can put something up on youtube?

If nothing else, I'd love to see some more media charlatans bite the dust a la Dan Rather. Even if we didn't win that would be some consolation. :D

Good night, Lizards. Thanks for the informative critique of the debate. I always know I can count on you to clear away the clouds.

OT:
Sent to my Congressman, Keith Ellison (sigh)
//
Hello Congressman,

I respectfully request that you OPPOSE the bailout bill currently under consideration. I am not opposed to considering some kind of low-interest loan to distressed institutions, but there also need to be investigations and consequences enforced on the individuals responsible for this mess.

This is a naked power and money grab. My rule is: if someone is telling you there is no more time to debate, or the science is 'settled', check your wallet.

The proposal as it stands is totally unacceptable.
//

Pointless, I know, but I have to at least try.

re: #169 guest77

PALIN IN 2012! OR IN 2016! Whose with me on this. Palin v. Hillary, now that's a debate I would pay money to see.

nice try Moby..............

back in yer hole.

re: #171 Achtung

the young are always brave.......

whereas Stinky is wise.

When was the re: #166 Sharmuta

I loved it when she came came out and said at the outset... can I call you Joe?

re: #157 Sharmuta

LMAO! Pic of the night.

Heh. What the hell is he doing?

I like the one on the WSJ page, where it looks like she's looking down at his midsection and laughing, here. Scroll about half-way down the page.

here's an interesting scenario: McCain/Palin win, and then preside over a successful 2010 mid term election. just after crossing the middle of his term, McCain announces his retirement, and Palin takes over, making her the first female President and the incumbent.

she can then run in both in 2012 & 2016.........
(assuming a victory in '12, of course. %-)

re: #178 capitalist piglet

ROFLMAO

Time for a caption contest!

re: #180 esch

ROFLMAO

Time for a caption contest!

Yeah, I was thinking that too. What a great picture!

I just got this email from a friend:

Sarah Palin presented herself quite transparently. Inexperienced and shallow using rhetoric and resorting to blatant insults that lacked any kind of professionalism. Terms such a their plan is to raise the “white flag, ” etc. Meanwhile, Joe Biden extended her the courtesy, even when she did not give the correct name of the General in Afganistan. She is inexperienced and is learning on the fly about the world issues and it is not her fault. She is doing the best that she can and that much is obvious. Give her a gold star and extra credit. Particularly at the beginning of the debate, Palin did not come close to answering the questions posed by the moderator. She rather used her time as free-air speech. Biden, on the other hand, answered each one directly. The McCain-Palin seem to view the war and “winning” as if it were a sanctioned fighting match, which has a beginning and an end, a winner and a loser. 700 plus years of divisiveness, however, among the sects in Iraq prove that there will never be a clear “win,” as they so naively portray. There will be one more suicide bomber followed by another, and innocent lives will continue to be lost. It is not throwing in a “white flag” to tell Iraq, “We have given you the tools, we have trained your soldiers, you have an economic surplus, handle it now!” It is putting up an “American Flag” and saying, we killed Saddam Hussein, you have a democracy, go to work!” Our war-like presence there will continually be a hindrance. It is time to put our resources together and go after our enemy… Bin Laden.

I responded:

Half of that message was you ranting on your own opinions, not saying anything about the debate. The other half made statements against Palin without backing those statements up. Neither half, however, said anything about Biden's lies, which dominated the entire debate.

re: #180 esch

ROFLMAO

Time for a caption contest!

"that needs some Botox Joe..... " %-)

re: #171 Achtung

The parliament elections were held at West Bank and Gaza, and Hamas won. Hamas controlled the parliament and the goverment in West Bank (and Gaza) until they took over Gaza's presidential compound and then Abbas dismantled the Hamas goverment.

No. But nice conflation attempt.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]
By midnight, the Islamic movement -- which the United States, Israel and the European Union consider a terrorist organization -- claimed control over Gaza City's presidential compound, Palestinian security sources said.

Rahim declared the situation "a military coup attempt." And Palestinian legislator Saeb Erakat, an Abbas ally, told CNN that Gaza "is now officially out of our control as the Palestinian Authority."

Haniya urged an end to the fighting and said his government would move quickly to restore order in Gaza, already battered by weeks of factional clashes between Hamas and Fatah. And he tried to ease concerns about the split in the Palestinian Authority, vowing not to separate Gaza from the remaining Palestinian territory in the West Bank.

"The Gaza Strip is an integral part of the Palestinian land, and our people in the strip are an integral part of our people the world over," he said. "We refuse the existence of a Palestinian state in the strip alone. The country is one and cannot be divided."

A Hamas representative in Lebanon, Osama Hamdan, told CNN that Hamas had to rein in rogue Fatah commanders in the security forces who had created fiefdoms in Gaza.

Hamas never controlled the West Bank. And no, the Reform Bloc doesn't count.

The face that sunk a thousand ships.

Now with added spin.

re: #182 cliffster

i've got friends like that too...................

/sigh

re: #183 redc1c4

I sent it to a couple of left-leaning friends with the added caption "Is that why they call you Slow Joe?"

re: #184 RTLM

Hamas never controlled the West Bank. And no, the Reform Bloc doesn't count.

You are welcome to factually contradict a single statement i made in my post.

Biden has made enough stupid claims tonight, no need to invent unexisting ones.

re: #183 redc1c4

"that needs some Botox Joe..... " %-)

"Well hello, Little Joe! It's nice to meet you too!"

re: #188 Achtung

You are welcome to factually contradict a single statement i made in my post.

Biden has made enough stupid claims tonight, no need to invent unexisting ones.

I just did. Produce a link to back up your claim.

Letterman Top 10 on the debate #2 - You could hear Hillary's muffled screams from the parking lot.

So, how does everybody think she did?

re: #191 Mel Lono

Letterman Top 10 on the debate #2 - You could hear Hillary's muffled screams from the parking lot.

I would probably laugh at that, except that Letterman is a sorry-ass piece of shit. No disrespect to you, Mel

re: #190 RTLM

I just did. Produce a link to back up your claim.

No, you just copy pasted unrelated article from CNN.

Unrelated article from CNN. Facts.
Facts. Unrelated article from CNN.

See the difference?

re: #192 galloping granny

So, how does everybody think she did?

Acceptable the first half, stole the show the second half.

re: #192 galloping granny

So, how does everybody think she did?

She was wonderful; positive, likeable, seemed to have command of the facts...and she looked great, as usual.

re: #193 cliffster

I would probably laugh at that, except that Letterman is a sorry-ass piece of shit. No disrespect to you, Mel

NP. Just watch him to stay awake for Craig Ferguson.

re: #188 Achtung

/green smoke out

/yellow smoke out

gamey buttocks, anyone?

re: #178 capitalist piglet

Heh. What the hell is he doing?

I like the one on the WSJ page, where it looks like she's looking down at his midsection and laughing, here. Scroll about half-way down the page.

and biden looks like he is looking down her dress
boobies? just kidding folks

re: #195 cliffster

Acceptable the first half, stole the show the second half.

Well heck - right about the time I went to bed.

re: #71 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yeah. "Two state solution" is diplomatic version of "nice weather outside." It is considered sort of safe reply.

My personal favourite solution would be to have Gaza be its own nation. and smaller part of West Bank would be another nation. Israel would of course be largest there and have such borders that all (or nearly all) Jewish population would be included and that the borders would be defensible. Latter would not have to be the case for Palestinean states as they were and are the aggressors in the conflict for the past century or so.

Gaza would have to pay fair market prize if it brought energy or other things from Israel, of course and it would have to bear responsibility of its actions. If anyone would try to fire any rockets or other weapons into Israel, then the authorities would have to stop that (before it happens preferably) to stop it. Israel of course would be free to respond with same ferocity that say Russia would have if its neighbour shot at it. Same would apply to West Bank. You screw up, you bear the responsibility.

Jerusalem would belong solely to Israel and there should be adequate buffer zone around it. Sure it would take up territory, but hey, Palestineans have proved themselves time after time to be untrustworthy. Also all holy sites (Temple Mount with all that is there) would be in Jewish control. No more trashing of holy sites by Arabs, thank you very much.

Just an opinion from this Finn.

re: #194 Achtung

No, you just copy pasted unrelated article from CNN.

Unrelated article from CNN. Facts.
Facts. Unrelated article from CNN.

See the difference?

I'm trying to find a link that confirms that Hamas ever "controlled the parliament and the goverment in West Bank" - to use your words verbatum.

All I can find is this.
Hamas plotting West Bank takeover in early 2009

re: #198 redc1c4

gunny says weapons free

re: #200 galloping granny

Well heck - right about the time I went to bed.

That's what you get when your priorities go astray!

re: #203 Mel Lono

gunny says weapons free

nice of Chas & Stinky to give us such k3wl ELINT tools, eh?

i say we wait for him to skyline, then aim for the ammo storage %-)

re: #204 cliffster

That's what you get when your priorities go astray!

depends on who she went to bed with: she may have had a good reason. %-)

/white smoke

Maybe now McCain's folks will leave Palin alone and quite trying to train her like a puppy.

re: #202 RTLM

I'm trying to find a link that confirms that Hamas ever "controlled the parliament and the goverment in West Bank" - to use your words verbatum.

All I can find is this.
Hamas plotting West Bank takeover in early 2009

This is silly. Hamas did win the overall parliamentary elections and did assemble a (unity) goverment led by Ismail Hanniyeh. It's common knowledge.

Then they managed to divert money to creating their own "security force"s in Gaza, which their used to topple presidential "security forces" in Gaza effectively ending the democracy sham of the fakestinians.

It is indeed true that this kind of mistake would make head lines if Palin said it.

It appears that the media can cut Biden some slack since he got it right somewhere else in his monologue:

And speaking of freedom being on the march, the only thing on the march is Iran. It's closer to a bomb. Its proxies now have a major stake in Lebanon, as well as in the Gaza Strip with Hamas.

WSJ poll looks good :')

[Link: forums.wsj.com...]

I'm listening to a replay of the debate. Sarah sounds even stronger the second time. I think I spent the first half of the debate the first time worrying about how she would do. Now that I know she did great, I listened to the debate again on the radio this time and can concentrate on what she is saying. And she sounds even better.

Karl Rove and Rudi Guliani sure love her!

re: #210 DesertSage

WSJ poll looks good :')

[Link: forums.wsj.com...]

Did they start taking answers like one poll did? (The KOSKids thought it would be funny to game that one)

re: #212 galloping granny

Karl Rove and Rudi Guliani sure love her!

Colmes ordinarily at least has some facts to spin to make his point. In that interview, though, it was just, "nuh unhh, sayz who?"

re: #211 Stuck-in-CA

I'm listening to a replay of the debate. Sarah sounds even stronger the second time. I think I spent the first half of the debate the first time worrying about how she would do. Now that I know she did great, I listened to the debate again on the radio this time and can concentrate on what she is saying. And she sounds even better.

That is great to here.

re: #215 galloping granny

That is great to here. hear

ohfercryingoutloud! I can't believe I did that.

Watching MSNBC.
One thing I like about them is that when I watch them, I feel like I'm seeing something that absolutely no one else on Earth is seeing. When I watch MSNBC, I feel completely alone.
I do have to wonder how they can even pay the bills. Advertising rates for that network have got to be in the same ballpark as the local pennysaver magazine.

re: #208 Achtung

This is silly. Hamas did win the overall parliamentary elections and did assemble a (unity) goverment led by Ismail Hanniyeh. It's common knowledge.

Then they managed to divert money to creating their own "security force"s in Gaza, which their used to topple presidential "security forces" in Gaza effectively ending the democracy sham of the fakestinians.

if it's "common knowledge" you'll have a cite or two...

re: #210 DesertSage

WSJ poll looks good :')

[Link: forums.wsj.com...]

vote early, vote often......

/they let you. %-)

re: #216 galloping granny

ohfercryingoutloud! I can't believe I did that.

You shouldn't be homophonic.

re: #216 galloping granny

ohfercryingoutloud! I can't believe I did that.

musta been a *really* good nap...... %-)

/white smoke

Wow - the Fox poll had Pallin winning it by 85%

re: #208 Achtung

This is silly. Hamas did win the overall parliamentary elections and did assemble a (unity) goverment led by Ismail Hanniyeh. It's common knowledge.

Then they managed to divert money to creating their own "security force"s in Gaza, which their used to topple presidential "security forces" in Gaza effectively ending the democracy sham of the fakestinians.

Hamas did win the West Bank elections. However Fatah is in physical control of the West Bank. Right now.

Wow. Check out Biden's forehead! He went all botox on us, and I do think that's a bottled tan, yes indeed.

What is with these liberal "men"? Ugh!

McCain already has a debate ad.

Now THAT was fast:

Does anyone remember who it was who had their poll up before the debate even started? I want to send it to Fox & Friends.

re: #223 RTLM

Hamas did win the West Bank elections. However Fatah is in physical control of the West Bank. Right now.

Correct. And?

re: #222 galloping granny

Wow - the Fox poll had Pallin winning it by 85%

I know it's anathema, but just to be fair and balanced, CNN had it 57-36 Biden.

CNN debate link...

re: #228 Mel Lono

Oops, 51-36. Need glasses or another drink.

re: #222 galloping granny

Wow - the Fox poll had Pallin winning it by 85%

Do you have a link for that? Because the Fox poll I'm seeing has Biden winning 61-39

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

re: #229 Mel Lono

Oops, 51-36. Need glasses or another drink.

I saw something closer to your first - around 60% saying Biden won. Ridiculous. News = Propoganda in today's world.

re: #231 cliffster

I saw something closer to your first - around 60% saying Biden won. Ridiculous. News = Propoganda Propoganda in today's world.

re: #227 Achtung

Correct. And?

That's the current status. I didn't know Hamas won the West Bank elections.

interesting point on Ace of Spades:

the impartial moderator avoided any questions about energy, abortion or guns.......

The theme of the debate was change as Palin and Biden sought to convince voters that they would, respectively, shake up the status quo in Washington, a popular theme as approval ratings for the president and Congress are dismally low. On this point, Biden, a 35-year veteran of the Senate was more successful in selling this message. Fifty-three percent of debate watchers said that Biden seemed more likely to bring change than the 42 percent who chose Palin.

From the post above, what a crock.

That YouTube ad is interesting. Where does the Palin portion in the last 15 seconds fit in with the theme of the ad?

I'd like to think that the RNC just tricked the MSM into blowing their wad a month prematurely. But you can't underestimate the left's ability to make every moment up to their inevitable defeat more painful. Particularly election day. I expect the voter fraud by the Democrats to be of astronomical proportions this time. And after that, who knows. Recounts? Riots? Global chaos, even. It'll be like Halloween came late.

re: #233 RTLM

That's the current status. I didn't know Hamas won the West Bank elections.

Point is, Biden was factually right saying Bush supported West Bank (and Gaza) elections which eventually were won by Hamas.

No fruitcup for me tonight. Give LoL a hug for me please.

re: #232 cliffster

Skeletor (watching the re-run on Fox) announced that with over one million text messages received, 85% said Pallin walked away with it. And of course texting lets out all of us who don't text.

re: #239 Mel Lono

No fruitcup for me tonight. Give LoL a hug for me please.

i'll pass...... she may have cooties.

%-)

re: #234 redc1c4

interesting point on Ace of Spades:

the impartial moderator avoided any questions about energy, abortion or guns.......

Sarah squeezed energy in there anyway. That much I saw.

re: #238 Achtung

Point is, Biden was factually right saying Bush supported West Bank (and Gaza) elections which eventually were won by Hamas.

Yep - in that point he was.

re: #235 Mel Lono

From the post above, what a crock.

How on earth can someone who has been a Washington insider literally his entire adult life (Joe was the or close to the youngest Senator ever elected) bring "change" to anyone? Particularly since Joe is not known for taking a stance on much of anything other than that which the Democrat party tells him to.

Little O'Reilly

/

Great series of photos of the Palin family at the post-debate rally.
Monster Rally.... Like a Super Bowl Champ
I like the photo of the media hacks, they look like they're ready to cry.

re: #246 JHW

Great series of photos of the Palin family at the post-debate rally.
Monster Rally.... Like a Super Bowl Champ
I like the photo of the media hacks, they look like they're ready to cry.

i'll drink to that..... they don't look like the "A" team either.....

kinda shows how the MSM views the story, eh?

re: #247 redc1c4

Yep, they were so sure she'd self destruct. The only ones self destructing were the likes of Alan Colmes.

re: #248 JHW

Yep, they were so sure she'd self destruct. The only ones self destructing were the likes of Alan Colmes.

well, it's what they had reported as news, so why wouldn't they expect that?

BTW: nice psychedelic cookie..... Riverine Infantry eh?

/before my time

Re re: #198 redc1c4

Did you remember to take you medication this evening? The Kool Aid doesn't seem to be working.

re: #249 redc1c4

Psychadelic cookie? My time in the Army was restricted to the Taro leaf and the Broken TV......

re: #250 guest77

Re

Did you remember to take you medication this evening? The Kool Aid doesn't seem to be working.

maybe if you didn't smoke so much crack you'd be able to notice the difference?

it's amazing how these fallow accounts suddenly become fecund. %-)

re: #251 Fenway_Nation

Psychadelic cookie? My time in the Army was restricted to the Taro leaf and the Broken TV......

i spent most of mine with the "12 LT's pointing north"

Here's what I noticed:

- Palin refused to go on the attack, while Biden did nothing but relentlessly attack McCain.

- Because Biden *sounded* confident, decisive, and authoritive, he won the tone of the debate. Never mind that his answers were lies or nonsense. He knew that the traditional media would never ever question any of his made up "facts." The important part for him was sounding authoritative and dismissive of Palin. What ever she said, he could simple make something up. Like this . . . "Under Obama's wonderful master plan, over 325,493 new jobs will be created in the service sector alone, improving the U.S. balance of payments by 51.3% alone! Remember, McCain voted against it 2,489 times just because he and Dick Cheney want middle class Americans to suffer!" Like that. The press all nodded approvingly.

- Palin ducked the "fairness" question--is it fair that we give tax breaks to big companies and the wealthy? The correct answer would have been: "No, we should tax the hell out of Microsoft, IBM, and Exxon . . . so they move to Canada, China, and Dubai respectively, which will leave only the obscenely wealthy: those individuals who make over $40,000 a year to pay for the all the programs and pork. Any companies that are left will be under the full control of government bureaucrats. I don't know why you and Obama think that this will solve anything. It will bring America to its knees."

The kitchen table comment by Biden set it up for Palin to say that under the Obama plan, a government administrator will be sitting right there at the kitchen table with each family, helping them fill out the dozens of rebate, tax redistribution, child development, and carbon footprint forms every month.

Did you catch Biden's comment about "the Bush budget?" The BUSH budget? Did he just say that the Democratic Congress had to watch helplessly as Bush invented a budget? Palin could have jumped all over that.

But Palin's biggest point could have come at the end when she might have pointed out that everything that Biden said during the debate demonstrated constant partisan attacks, and that McCain, in contrast, was trying to transcend partisan politics and unify the country in this time of crisis.

I truly hope some people noticed and woke up.

- sk

re: #253 redc1c4

Is that their panic Azimuth?

re: #254 Spar Kling

what i noticed is that you've finally found something other than evolution threads to poast on, and you do so negatively......

/green smoke.out

(memo: plus up the forecast for Class V resupply. %-)

Let's be thankful for something, at least he didn't call it "Palestine."

re: #255 Fenway_Nation

Is that their panic Azimuth?

snork.....

don't get me started..... it's too late for me to tell the story of the Ranger LT, the compass and the 113.

short version, he took off his helmet, per the school solution, but was still standing next to the engine compartment. we remained lost, per his direct order, until folks came to find us. i got yelled at for listening to him, until i mentioned the direct order part. i was then excused, but he remained. %-)

last time i saw dumbshit, he was reclining in a soft bed of green vegetation, under an oak tree, telling all and sundry what a shitbird i was.....

(at least until i pointed out that i had enough sense not to lay down in poison oak. %-)

fruitcup: help yerself!

re: #259 redc1c4

All right, red. Fess up. What have you done with littleoldlady?

Biden doesn't know the dif between a hole in the ground and his arse.