Not surprised. I suspect this is where a lot of the Ronulans ended up.

You totally should have thrown a Ron Paul option on the poll here. =P

Silly koslings- spamming internet polls is for paulbots.

Anyone who believes an Internet poll is about as dumb as the people trying to spam it.

If we let Kos get away with this, it could be the most significant strategic upset since the French drove Hizballah out of Lebanon.

The KreepyKosKiddies think they are the Ministry of Truth, when they're really the Keystone Kops...

Do the MSM report on these examples of mass mental masturbation?

I think "win" and "lose" take on a different meaning when you look at the debate as part of an overall campaign strategy.

I was initially disappointed when Palin allowed Biden to throw around all kinds of "facts" about McCain's Senate record without calling him on any of it. Then it occurred to me that, just maybe, the old Skyhawk pilot McCain was using Palin as a "Wild Weasel" to draw fire from a careless Biden.

If that was the strategy it worked brilliantly.

Joe Biden has been in the Senate a long time, so long that he may have forgotten that he can't "revise and extend" remarks he makes in a debate conducted outside of its chambers. Palin could not possibly have memorized every bit of McCain's Senate record to refute whatever Biden may have said, so she didn't bother to try. By the time the debate was over the McCain campaign, the blogosphere, and the alternative media were de-constructiong each of Biden's charges and finding that many of them were not completely accurate- to say the least.

By the time the Sunday talkies hit the air the list of Biden's mistakes, fibs, exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies about McCain's record will be a mile long, and if my suspicions are correct McCain will shove that list in BO's face at Tuesday's debate and say something like: "your campaign lied to the American people about my record, so why should they belive ANYTHING you have to say!?"

It may not happen, but I would not be the least bit surprised if it did.

Joe, I think you've been had.

Pity...

NOT!

We don't need no stinkin' polls.

re: #7 MandyManners

Do the MSM report on these examples of mass mental masturbation?

No. But they do seem to supply the lubricant.

at least they're sticking to what they're good at..... %-)

re: #12 redc1c4

at least they're sticking to what they're good at..... %-)

Mass mental masturbation?

Anybody see figures yet on how many people watched the debate last night?

re: #13 talon_262

Mass mental masturbation?

They're not good at anything involving "mental."

WTF does "freeping for JESUS" imply to these idiots?

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

The namecalling and related jargon is almost as impenetrable as "gator/hepcat" jive from the 1940s--without the humor and goodwill.

It's only impentrable to Herberts like you.

Well, they haven't made a dent in the Drudge poll yet she still leads 70% to 28% over Biden

re: #7 MandyManners

Do the MSM report on these examples of mass mental masturbation?

nope: they just swallow it all..... %-)

I voted in that CNN poll for Biden....i want the left to live in a fantasy land. The harder they will fall on Nov 4

re: #14 Irene NYC

Anybody see figures yet on how many people watched the debate last night?

Drudge has it.

I think KOS has a misconception of what "grassroots" means.

Aren’t they cute?

About as cute as some of those "assless chaps" wearing fellas on Folton Street....
/

Jesus was an internet poll spammer.

That's a handy list on that page, I was supposed to click on Palin's name for each poll, right?

re: #18 Radioactive Bilgerat

Well, they haven't made a dent in the Drudge poll yet she still leads 70% to 28% over Biden

Drudge allows only one vote per IP address. Other Internet polls don't.

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

Yes- they can sound their barbaric yawp once their mission is complete.

re: #16 pre-Boomer Marine brat

WTF does "freeping for JESUS" imply to these idiots?

To Kos kiddies Obama=Jesus

re: #20 redc1c4

nope: they just swallow it all..... %-)

/mental image...my eyes! My eyes!

re: #9 CIA Reject

I was initially disappointed when Palin allowed Biden to throw around all kinds of "facts" about McCain's Senate record without calling him on any of it. Then it occurred to me that, just maybe, the old Skyhawk pilot McCain was using Palin as a "Wild Weasel" to draw fire from a careless Biden.

Maybe we'll see some ads soon pointing out the facts.

re: #29 Radioactive Bilgerat

To Kos kiddies Obama=Jesus

But I thought that this nest of moonbats doesn't believe in Jesus?

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

Spam ev'ry Net poll
As part of a scheme
Then self-congratulate
With a primal scream

--from the upcoming musical, "The Sound of Nutroots"

LOL!

Polls are BS because:

1. the ballot is secret and polls are not.
2. Polls can be trickily worded and the ballot is secret.
3. You can lie to a pollster & you cannot lie to the ballot.
4. Polls can be used to influence the ballot & the ballot is just the ballot.
5.Polls come to you, but you have to get up off your ass to vote.

And

Polls are bogus because

Idiots like the Kossites warp them

re: #11 Daisy

No. But they do seem to supply the lubricant.

Oh, the image! It burnz.

re: #26 Spiritualized

That's a handy list on that page, I was supposed to click on Palin's name for each poll, right?

I like how you think.

Did anyone notice Biden refereed to himself in the third person in the topic about supporting Israel? "Nobody in the senate cares more about Israel than 'THIS GUY' (with both thumbs pointing at his chest)"

re: #15 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They're not good at anything involving "mental."

Unless it's illness.

re: #35 MandyManners

Oh, the image! It burnz.

There, there, Mandy...here's some brain bleach for you.

re: #20 redc1c4

Ick.

They learned well from their Bolshevik propagandists in the MSM. It's a full-on fargin war against these vermin.

re: #22 arethusa

Thanks, arethusa, I saw that, but it doesn't have final numbers.
;)

re: #35 MandyManners

Oh, the image! It burnz.

If it burns you are using the wrong lubricant. ;-)

Drudge Report poll has Palin way ahead.

{DRUDGE POLL} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

BIDEN
28% 119,244
PALIN
70% 295,119
NEITHER
2% 7,379

Total Votes: 421,742

One pundit on Fox was texting multiple responses to Fox while on the air. The idea of one man one vote is an abhorrent idea to the Left-overs.

re: #21 Gelgurl

I voted in that CNN poll for Biden....i want the left to live in a fantasy land. The harder they will fall on Nov 4

Considering the gloom and doom being spouted here and elsewhere, you are more likely to further depress conservatives. Not a good move.

re: #29 Radioactive Bilgerat

To Kos kiddies Obama=Jesus

That may be a point about that KOS entry that is more interesting than the actual topic of loading the polls. Do these kiddies actually see Obama as a type of Jesus.

I know there has been some "heavenly" aspect to his canpaign, and some conservative pundits have played up on this, but is this our first proof that some on the left really see him in that way?

Walter in Golden, Co.

Aren’t they cute?

Cute as wolverines.

re: #29 Radioactive Bilgerat

To Kos kiddies Obama=Jesus

Really?!?!
/[vigorously self-deleted]

re: #39 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

There, there, Mandy...here's some brain bleach for you.

*whew*

re: #43 Ford_Prefect

*whack*

On the good side, if the "progressives" have to resort to these tactics, there's a whiff of blood in the water.

Sarah didn't have to be The Great Debater last night. But she certainly put the lie to the Tina Fey portrayal of her as an unqualified dunce. She reassured people who might be having media-fed doubts about her that she can do the job. They are going to have to find another method of discrediting her. But you have to have a kitchen sink left to be able to throw it.

re: #50 MandyManners

*whack*

ouch! Please may I have another?

re: #50 MandyManners

*whack*

Get him!

And what, exactly are online polls good for, except to give a rough breakdown of readership or to drive site traffic? And why does the MSM report them as news?

May they all get rickrolled.

re: #37 joekowalski247

Did anyone notice Biden refereed to himself in the third person in the topic about supporting Israel? "Nobody in the senate cares more about Israel than 'THIS GUY' (with both thumbs pointing at his chest)"

I was rolling when he was doing that.

This is what Joe Biden would do. That is what Joe Biden would do. LOL

/who is this Joe Biden you speak of would've been a good retort.

re: #30 Ford_Prefect

/mental image...my eyes! My eyes!

/passes the brain bleech

They did that back in 2004 too. It drove me absolutely batty to see Brit Hume reporting that, "Over at CNN.com, their online poll is showing that viewers think Kerry won the debate 93% - 4%."

Any non-random poll is worthless.

re: #47 Dirk Diggler

Cute as wolverines.

Hey! Don't insult the... WOLVERINES!

Drudge's poll appears to be spam proof.

{DRUDGE POLL} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

BIDEN
28% 120,155
PALIN
70% 297,039
NEITHER
2% 7,430

Total Votes: 424,624

If the alphabet channels don't make the polls spam proof -what's the point? oh yeah - the dem-media know they can count on their little fascists to spam.

re: #56 redc1c4

/passes the brain bleech

Thanks. I needed that.

Doesn't taste very good though. /

Everybody surprised, please raise your hand. The progressive gospel states that political process is all perception. It's the only gospel they believe in. This election will be the definitive test, as the Beast's appeal is all appearance: smooth and shiny on the outside, concealing the evil within.

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

Today we have Spam and Kos, Kos and Spam, Huffpo and Spam, Spam and Spam, Kos and Huffpo and Spam, Nutroots and Spam, and Spam.

It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to see a Monty Python parody arise from this....

Just can't understand why, with such wunderkind candidates they feel they have to spam the survey's? We know what "winners" they really are.

Cheating and lying come naturally to left-wing fascists.

re: #29 Radioactive Bilgerat

To Kos kiddies Obama=Jesus

To most of them, the equation is more like:

Obama > Jesus

What does it mean to "Freep" a poll? Does it mean voting more than one time? Or, does it mean voting in a poll you would not have otherwise voted in if you had not been directed to it by some blog?

re: #5 Occasional Reader

If we let Kos get away with this, it could be the most significant strategic upset since the French drove Hizballah out of Lebanon.

I remember when Napoleon got on TV and told the Lebanese not to worry, he was going to drive Hamas out of the West Bank.

re: #28 Sharmuta

Yes- they can sound their barbaric yawp once their mission is complete.

Unfortunately, their victory yell sounds like the yelps of Tusken Raiders...

:-)

Da, Kommisar Kos! Ve villing Kosbotz stand reddy to obey yur efrey odur! Ein Kos, Ein Kollective, Ein 0bama! (I think that they are some weird Soviet/Nazi hybrid loons..)

re: #68 CommonCents

I remember when Napoleon got on TV and told the Lebanese not to worry, he was going to drive Hamas out of the West Bank.

As a young boy I lived in Belgium for a time. I remember well--it's seared in my mind--driving by Waterloo and thinking, Napoleon went down to defeat right here in these fields, and all because of the failed policies of George W. Bush.

Don't forget to vote in the Drudge poll.

I swear, if I find out where these guys live in their mothers basement, I am going there & they will all get super wedgies. I might even take their pocket protectors.

[Link: forums.mercurynews.com...]

You know the results are a lie when the total readership of the rag is less than total number who voted.

re: #67 Lawrence Schmerel

I'm not sure about "freep" exactly, but I do see that this kevinole character, at #7, urges the Kossacks to "Vote often!" He is urging them to vote more than once.

(I wonder---is "kevinole" another astro-turfer?)

Yet another reason to not pay attention to polls. The Nutroots are projecting again, they think Conservatives will jack the polls so they go ahead and do it. How typical of those Daily Kos retards.

re: #73 opnion

I swear, if I find out where these guys live in their mothers basement, I am going there & they will all get super wedgies. I might even take their pocket protectors.

You brute. But I like the way you think.

The liberal netroots actual "recruit" and pay bloggers (actually, "commenters") to do this as a job. A craigslist ad local to my area was seeking part-time writers or bloggers. Curious, I responded with a query about what topic or industry these bloggers would be working in. They sent back a job description listing the normal tech-writer skill-set. It said these employees would themselves have to find as many blogs as possible to participate in. Then it cryptically referred to a familiarity with "Turks", i.e. the "Young Turks".

As you know, the "Young Turks" are a dedicated team of ultra-progressive propagandists seeking to control the American political landscape.

Ron Paul!

Freep the debate threads! This idea from m16eib: Hit the debate threads on blogs and message boards and tell them how Joe Biden rocked the debate and how Sarah Palin left America with a big, steaming pile of moose poo.

This reads like a "to do" list from the Hive Mind

Don't think for yourself, just follow my directions.

from the koskid site

"They will be out in full force tonight attempting to alter reality and voter opinion."

so what the F&^K are they doing?

these people are in many ways worse than the propagadist of the middle of the 20th century..

LGF was waaaaaay slow for me last night during the debate so I didn't get to follow the thread. I know the cjances are slim but can I still put dibbs on the sockpuppet nic "Bosniac"?

chances

I went through a few of those links and it sure looks like the Koskids are following orders, several with roughly the same amount of votes heavily lopsided in favor of Biden.

Just despicable...

re: #81 hoffmonster

from the koskid site

"They will be out in full force tonight attempting to alter reality and voter opinion."

so what the F&^K are they doing?

these people are in many ways worse than the propagandist of the middle of the 20th century..

Shaking their tiny little fists at the grown-ups is how they "speak truth to power", or something. Whoever squeaks the loudest wins.

It was reported last night that some poll sites were already showing Biden ahead, even before the debate started. Whatever else you want to say about these brats, they are certainly zealous in their cause.

re: #78 Captain Faris

The liberal netroots actual "recruit" and pay bloggers (actually, "commenters") to do this as a job. A craigslist ad local to my area was seeking part-time writers or bloggers. Curious, I responded with a query about what topic or industry these bloggers would be working in. They sent back a job description listing the normal tech-writer skill-set. It said these employees would themselves have to find as many blogs as possible to participate in. Then it cryptically referred to a familiarity with "Turks", i.e. the "Young Turks".

As you know, the "Young Turks" are a dedicated team of ultra-progressive propagandists seeking to control the American political landscape.

You should have signed on as a double agent.

I am a little concerned about the possibility of this having some impact on the MSM reporting. This AM our local Fox news channel reported that Biden won according to the CNN poll. This was the only polling mentioned and it is tied directly to CNN's Internet polling.

While normally not crazed about the mindless mush produced at DKO it does concern me that they might have some impact on skewing the general ambiance of the race through polling manipulation, epically if the MSM channels are not smart enough to provide balanced opinions.

The most hilarious thing, which will happen next, is that the same people doing the poll spamming will sincerely believe that the poll results are accurate. We saw this in the last several elections; after massive poll flooding, there was massive whining when the actual election results didn't match the doctored poll results. This, in fact, was the basis for several of the "poll tampering" complaints fielded by the Left.

Look for the same thing to take place this time around.

From the Kos Kiddies

Who won the debate tonight?

Joe Biden
Joe Biden and pie.

I have to admit, I do get a lot of laughs from Kosians.

They are so scared of what might happen they wouldn't even put Palin's name
on the list.

What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?

Now I get it: Spamming polls is what a community organizer does!

Now,admittedly ,I didn't see the debate,but I read that the Guardian said Palin "held her own".I interpret that to mean she floored him with a devastating combination of 4 left jabs and a right uppercut,stomped on his semi-prone body ,then grabbed him by the feet ,swirled him around her head and threw him back to Scranton.......but like I said ,I didn't see the debate.

re: #93 mahatma coat

Now,admittedly ,I didn't see the debate,but I read that the Guardian said Palin "held her own".I interpret that to mean she floored him with a devastating combination of 4 left jabs and a right uppercut,stomped on his semi-prone body ,then grabbed him by the feet ,swirled him around her head and threw him back to Scranton.......but like I said ,I didn't see the debate.

In a metaphorical sense, that is a pretty fair summation.

Unalterable fact of life : losers have alot more time to vote in meaningless polls than others.

Why such polls are meaningless.

Now, back to work.

"their little blank hearts" is a perfect summation.

I dunno... I think maybe the polls, regardless of KOS kid manipulations, could validly reflect the opinions of internet-denizens. I mean, this group skews left anyway, plus the fact of the matter is... Unless you look at what Sen. Biden said last night, and run down a fact checker, and realize that about half was exaggeration or mischaracterization, and the other half was pretty much outright lies, you might have seen him as a winner because he seemed calm, comfortable with the cameras and the in-the-bag moderator, and happy to always get the last word on every subject. He delivered his steaming piles of horse manure forcefully and believably... so much so that it took me a few minutes to realize some of the whoppers he was spinning... and I was looking for them.

What needs to happen now is a flood of coverage on the ridiculous things he claimed. Unfortunately, the best the world will see is a one for one list of misstatements, one for Palin matching every one of Biden, that I read this morning on MSN. They even left out the really big Biden ones... and had to stretch for Palin... like the fact that physical construction on the natural gas pipeline has yet to begin, doesn't really invalidate the negotiations and deals in place to make it happen. It certainly doesn't make Palin a liar for touting her role in getting the project rolling.

On the other hand, I refuse to believe that Biden and Obama were the two senators standing up with meaningful opinions on every issue that has faced this country in the past 20 years.... but that was pretty much the core statement of Biden's debate rhetoric.

Do you know what Kos means in Farsi ?

I'm sure that they think they own the concept of "freeping", but the irony is no doubt lost on them as to the origin of the term.

"Freeping" is named for that bastion of far-rightwingedness, FreeRepublic.com. They work toward doing the same sort of things, on behalf of the right. They spam polls to make them worthless, undertake E-mail campaigns, etc, to put out the Right's POV. They've been doing it for years; now the Kos Kiddies have apparently taken some sort of ownership of the term and concept.

Irony, thy name is Markos.....

re: #78 Captain Faris

The liberal netroots actual "recruit" and pay bloggers (actually, "commenters") to do this as a job. A craigslist ad local to my area was seeking part-time writers or bloggers. Curious, I responded with a query about what topic or industry these bloggers would be working in. They sent back a job description listing the normal tech-writer skill-set. It said these employees would themselves have to find as many blogs as possible to participate in. Then it cryptically referred to a familiarity with "Turks", i.e. the "Young Turks".

As you know, the "Young Turks" are a dedicated team of ultra-progressive propagandists seeking to control the American political landscape.

That's a story unto itself. Wow.

"Freeping" a poll comes from over at freerepublic.com. Folks over there, moi included, will sometimes post polls that are being overrun by liberal idiocy for some corrective, ah, discipline as it were. A bit of the ol' ultra-voting, eh what. (The biggest difference--most FReepers I know will only vote in the poll ONCE, not spam it, just to prove that there's more of us out there than there are of the moonbats.)

I find it pretty damn funny that the Kossacks can't even come up with their own term for organizing their little litterbox of the Intertubes to vote in polls...they have to steal ours!

ewww. You shouldn't make us dirty up our screens with kos crap. The smell is overwhelming. And that was AFTER the windex bath.

#93 mahatma coat 10/03/08 11:00:11 am reply quote 0

Now,admittedly ,I didn't see the debate,but I read that the Guardian said Palin "held her own".I interpret that to mean she floored him with a devastating combination of 4 left jabs and a right uppercut,stomped on his semi-prone body ,then grabbed him by the feet ,swirled him around her head and threw him back to Scranton.......but like I said ,I didn't see the debate.

ahahahaha, that's perfect!

Look at it this way. They spoof the polls and it takes time and effort to do that. They publicly congratulate each other on their successes of poll stuffing. So what did their stuffing get them? A few polls get skewed and little else. What would really surprise me if they left the polls alone and lived with the results. That won't happen.

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

Spam ev'ry Net poll
As part of a scheme
Then self-congratulate
With a primal scream

--from the upcoming musical, "The Sound of Nutroots"

I want a copy of the DVD when it comes out!

Polls whose respondents are self selected are worthless.

This over blogging on internet polls may backfire. If I was some dumb Obamite thinking "my messiah" was creaming McCain I might decide I don't need to get out of bed after a night of partying and making it down to the polling booth because I can count on everyone else...
I remember listening to Hannity in 2004 as he was getting the" polling numbers" from people leaving the voting stations who were asked by pollsters standing outside who they voted for. Hannity was clearly unnerved as the "numbers" were looking like a landslide for Kerry. Bush won.
This year will be even more misleading with the race card in play.People may not want to admit that they have a brain and voted for McCain/Palin.

Hey all.. It is not just the KOS that send people to the on-line polls.
The Move-on.org Obama campaign sends out e-mails to hit the polls.

Mass Mental Masturbation! A good one! but it feels so good.

A Sample ...

Can you help fight back by going to our Debate Action Center immediately? There, you can vote in the online polls that reporters are watching to judge who won. You can also write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper about why Biden looked ready for the job—and laid out a clear case for why we need Obama as president.

Click here to take action:
[Link: pol.moveon.org...]
With the debate in the news tomorrow and over the weekend, newspaper editors will be looking for response letters to print.

These letters can help show voters that while Sarah Palin's talking points were well presented, they revealed that a McCain/Palin White House would look a lot like the Bush/Cheney White House. Here are a few examples:

Palin on Iraq: "Your plan [for a timeline for withdrawal] is a white flag of surrender in Iraq."3
Palin on Cheney's expansive view of the vice presidency: "Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation."4
Palin on Republicans being held accountable for Bush's presidency: "...Americans are going to say, 'Enough is enough with your ticket,' on constantly looking backwards, and pointing fingers, and doing the blame game."5

Here's some of what Biden said during the debate:

Biden on Obama's economic priorities: "The economic engine of America is middle class...John wants to add $300 [billion] in new tax cuts per year for corporate America and the very wealthy while giving virtually nothing to the middle class. We have a different value set."6

Biden on Obama's Iraq plan: "With all due respect, I didn't hear a plan. Barack Obama offered a clear plan. Shift responsibility to Iraqis over the next 16 months. Draw down our combat troops. Ironically the same plan that Maliki, the prime minister of Iraq and George Bush are now negotiating. The only odd man out here, only one left out is John McCain."7
Biden on whether McCain's a maverick: "Let's talk about the maverick John McCain is...He voted four out of five times for George Bush's budget, which put us a half a trillion dollars in debt this year and over $3 trillion in debt since he's got there. He has not been a maverick in providing health care for people. He has voted against—he voted including another 3.6 million children in coverage of the existing health care plan...He's not been a maverick when it comes to education. He has not supported tax cuts and significant changes for people being able to send their kids to college. He's not been a maverick on the war. He's not been a maverick on virtually anything that genuinely affects the things that people really talk about around their kitchen table."8

Can you help spread the word about tonight's debate by going to our Debate Action Center? Here's the link: