The guy just makes things up as he goes along. Typical Dem.

When will AW show up to nit-pick?

Shine the light on these roaches

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Did the ole joker say anything true in the debate?

Senator "Commie" Joe Biden was really full of lies and half-truths last night during the debate. However, I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel in his forehead at one point in the latter half of the debate. Most of his debate talk during that time was given in a low growl rather than just a talk.

And when pressed about jimmy carter's support of hamas, 0bama wanted to just finish his waffle.

What? The Gaffe Master lied?

No!

/

re: #6 Fluffster

Did the ole joker say anything true in the debate?

When he said he was pleased to meat Sarah.

But it's not WHAT he says that's important in a debate.

It's HOW he says it.

Otherwise:

What?

BBL.

re: #10 Ford_Prefect

When he said he was pleased to meat Sarah.

I wonder if he was perving on her legs?

I had to TVIO the debate as I had a client meeting last night. I can't wait to see it when I get home today.

I'd like to know how many of those fraudulent foreign contributions to the Obama campaign came from the Palestinians.

Bosniacs at the Alamo

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re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Gaffe Master Joe and the Flurry of Lies? Sounds like an early hiphop group.

Or a new Harry Potter book...

Abbas and Obama discussed the means of underpinning the American-Palestinian economic relations...

Economic relations? What the heck could Palestine have that anyone would want to buy, trade, or barter for? What is their chief export? Rubble? Raw sewage? Used Kalashnikovs?

Last year, Obama’s Church “reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group’s official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America’s Declaration of Independence.”

Gaff Count:

Biden: 62653

Palin: 2

Nationwide poll confirms that Biden is Gaff free.

But the media said Joey Botox won the debate, so why are we picking nits here?

During His 2006 Trip To The Middle East

... which was actually a secret mission with the French, to drive Hizballah out of Lebanon. Soon to be a major motion picture, starring Wesley Snipes and Jean Reno.

Bosniacs at the Alamo, good grasp of foreign events there Joe !

re: #20 joekowalski247

Gaff Count:

Biden: 62653

Palin: 2

Nationwide poll confirms that Biden is Gaff free.

Nationwide poll was taken by CNN and endorced by the Daily Kos.

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

Gov. Palin didn't pick up the big hammer last night. I hope Sen. McCain takes a few well-directed swings with it in the next two debates.

*cough*ACORN*cough*

LGF: Bosniacs at the Alamo

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

Senator "Commie" Joe Biden was really full of lies and half-truths last night during the debate. However, I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel in his forehead at one point in the latter half of the debate. Most of his debate talk during that time was given in a low growl rather than just a talk.

And off stage he was quite likely launching profanity-laden tirades at his staff all over the place!

re: #20 joekowalski247

Gaff Count:

Biden: 62653

Palin: 2

Nationwide poll confirms that Biden is Gaff free.

62654...62655...62656...

re: #25 Charles

Chemtrails!

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

That proves it because it cant be disproved

joeplugs has been in the senate for 35 years. He is supposed to be the 'experience' that obambi needed.
Then why didn't he mop the floor with Sarah last night? With his experience it should have been a slam-dunk.
But it wasn't. Sarah WON!

Fact Check dot org isn't interested in this fact.

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Does this include Fox, too?

Can congress start drawing up articles of impeachment now, to have them ready for January, if needed?

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

No surprise there. IMHO, it was a draw--in baseball terms, she hit a double in her first at-bat against big league pitching.

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Don't hurt yourself looking, Charles.

So Barry "will never recognize winning Hamas candidates".

Hmmm... that's going to make the peace process under Barry pretty burdensome.

Is there a story somewhere that lists Biden's mistakes?

I don't think Biden even tried to tell the truth. Why should he? They're covered. He just made crap up as he went along because he knew Ifill wouldn't question it and Palin wouldn't have time without coming off as defensive or shrewish.

The dem ticket is freaking malevolent.

re: #31 Charles

Which one?

Rush opens his show by wishing that he had chosen "Scranton" as his drinking word last night. LOL!

Biden's 14 other lies.
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Can I resurrect the Dixie Chicks and say that I'm embarrassed to share the same name as Senator Biden?

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Rush saying this exact thing. NOT ONE honest reporter!

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

They're circling the wagons. She held her own and was knowledgeable about the issues- she wasn't supposed to do that, she was supposed to look like an idiot hick, so this is the spin they have to run with.

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Imagine my surprise.

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

They decided that before the debate even started.

re: #39 Who Watches the Watchmen?

No surprise there. IMHO, it was a draw--in baseball terms, she hit a double in her first at-bat against big league pitching.

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Rush just said the EXACT same thing at 12:10 EDT. Charles beat him to it!

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Don't worry, you won't. They hate her with a passion.

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Especially the stuff he made up.

one could write an article about Joey Botox's performance and his unusual grasp of facts, but it would need a catchy title......

maybe something like "An Inconvenient Truth"?

%-)

I think it's great the msm is spinning this as a biden win. It will alienate more viewers and readers. The American people saw it for themselves, and they can't even call it a draw. No- let them lie- they're signing their own death warrant.

re: #49 joekowalski247

Can I resurrect the Dixie Chicks and say that I'm embarrassed to share the same name as Senator Biden?

Your name is Senator? That's an odd name.

O.K. Rush, get off my Raiders. I know they suck, but you don't have to rub it in.

balanced news coverage, thats FOX re: #53 ploome hineni

FOX seems to be splt

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Yeah, he had all his lies down cold.

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

They came to that conclusion on Wednesday.

re: #37 buzzsawmonkey

The newsboy threw Obama's copy of the newsletter in the bushes that week.

"boy"? you racist!

re: #54 Alouette

They decided that before the debate even started.

They decided that two weeks ago.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Especially the stuff he made up.

True. (Although it's true they both were... lacking... in factuality.)

I think she came out ahead, mostly because she had so much to lose. If she'd blown it, she could have sunk the whole campaign. She didn't do that, though.

Biden simply spouted the most intellectually dishonest debate I think I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, if you lie confidently enough and aren't immediately called on it, its the "truth" as far as the debate goes.

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

That was quick!

Rush reads LGF.

Rush said, matthews said of Sarah, that it looked like watching a spelling bee.

Biden is sounding more and more like that old Jon Lovitz character, the one whose "wife was Morgan Fairchild".

re: #46 RTLM

Thanks RTLM. I'm going to start pasting this into comments on stories I find.

OT: Cool, I just typo'ed my way into a keyboard shortcut. I missed the shift key and hit Ctrl when I went to type "I" and got the italics tags inserted. I didn't know there were keyboard shortcuts for that. Thanks Charles.

re: #42 CyanSnowHawk

Is there a story somewhere that lists Biden's mistakes?

Seems to be what's amusing the folks at the Campaign Spot this morning. They have to keep updating the list, though.

Also, they call them "hallucinations." I think they're on to something there. ;)

re: #54 Alouette

They decided that before the debate even started.

They actually had polls up and accepting votes on who won the debate before the candidates even arrived on stage - by a couple of hours.

re: #19 Sharmuta
Just a great post/link. Thanks Sharm!

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

and in other news from your reality...............

you're so full of it that even the sky is brown on your planet.

I can't imagine all the MSM reporter rewrites that needed be done late last night after Vice President Probable Sarah Palin produced such a phenomenal unexpected showing.

Obama to Biden:

"Stop lying about my record."

re: #66 redc1c4

"boy"? you racist!

somebody call Al Gore someone Littered

re: #49 joekowalski247

Can I resurrect the Dixie Chicks and say that I'm embarrassed to share the same name as Senator Biden?

You also share a name with the iconic Joe Sixpack. Not to mention Joe Cool.

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Sure. Knew his stuff? I think it has already been pointed out here this morning that he DOESN'T know his stuff. And this is only the start. I have seen fact checkers that have over 20 problems with his facts. Maybe you should wait a while and research this a little more before you go shooting off you mouth.

re: #75 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Biden is sounding more and more like that old Jon Lovitz character, the one whose "wife was Morgan Fairchild".

Yeah thats the ticket'

re: #69 ploome hineni

are you intentionally ignoring all his LIES?

of course it is...... that's the great thing about an agenda: you don't have to accept facts.

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

WTF? HE LIED HIS BUTT OFF.

re: #25 Charles Charles, I watched the Debate on Fox last night and the panel there all seemed to think that Palin "won" - have they now changed their minds?
And is the rest of the MSM outta theirs?!

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Biden lost not due to what he said, but due to his body language. Biden was losing his cool several times during the debate. He almost popped a blood vessel at one point. His face was very red during the second half of the debate. He kept slurring his words as the debate went on. And as for how Biden spoke, he was growling in the last 20 minutes. It was an actual low growl while he was speaking.

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary...

/That's because of those health problems he's about to withdraw over.

CNN's partisan and overtly pro-Obama "Fact Check" this morning (pertaining to the VP debate) says NOTHING about this lie Joe Biden disseminated last night.

If only there was a way to e-mail my disgust to CNN...

Every issue they bring up is "misleading" (against Sarah Palin) ...

~spit~

re: #75 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Biden is sounding more and more like that old Jon Lovitz character, the one whose "wife was Morgan Fairchild".

Lovitz's father was my family's doctor when I was a kid.

Good after noon lizzards,anyone see or want to see Barney Frank on Bill Oriely?

"Biden's eyebrows made him look like a Klingon"
- Rush

re: #25 Charles

So it was said, so shall it be done. Let's just ignore everything Biden said or did during the debate because it would be too difficult to pick out something to show that he was lying through his teeth, exaggerating, or just plum making stuff up. Instead, we'll focus on Gov. Palin and her line about Obama's penchant for voting for tax hikes.

What a great setup - Upon entering the stage to shake Biden's hand she says: "Do you mind if I call you Joe?" Then near the end of the debate out comes the one-liner: "Tell me it ain't so Joe..."

re: #88 ploome hineni

examples please?

/evenhanded all the way

//spit

Sorry, they both made mistakes. Believe it or not.

re: #86 doppelganglander

Nation Wide Polling proves that People Named Joe are smarter than dumb people.

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Speaking with confidence about bullshit is the hallmark of a great liar.

Here's the "Fact Check" link ... ~arrrrrgh~

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

Perhaps if they had actually watched the debate instead of talking to each other they would see the truth.

You can put hair plugs and cosmetics on a liar, but in the end you still have a liar.

re: #98 Oldasdirt

Good after noon lizzards,anyone see or want to see Barney Frank on Bill Oriely?

did ya see Bill Oreily (SIC?) take the queen Frank over the coals last night?

re: #11 Ben Hur

Okay, that's just plain disturbing.

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

Sure. Knew his stuff? I think it has already been pointed out here this morning that he DOESN'T know his stuff. And this is only the start. I have seen fact checkers that have over 20 problems with his facts. Maybe you should wait a while and research this a little more before you go shooting off you mouth.

Unfortunately, the perception is the reality, and the vast majority of the viewing public does NOT know Obama's voting record, McCains, the exact details of their tax plans, where Gaza is, what Hizb'allah is, etc.

This what absolutely infuriated me. Biden was forcefully spouting hot air, and Palin was letting him get away with it again and again.

re: #102 Cognito

Sorry, they both made mistakes. Believe it or not.

Mistakes are one thing. Blatant lies are another.

COGNITO

In #55 you say Biden won, and in #68 you say Palin came out ahead.

Geeesshhh, do you work for the media?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Hers a link to watch Barney Frank Lie.

Don't forget to vote in the Drudge poll.

re: #91 MandyManners

WTF? HE LIED HIS BUTT OFF.

Hallucinated. Please. (A lie is knowingly tell an untruth. I think Biden actually believes he had breakfast at Katie's Restaurant last week.)

If the msm were calling it a draw, that would be believable. The American public would possibly accept that analysis.

But lying their butts off to skew the perception of this debate by saying biden won? I think the American people are smarter than the pundits give us credit for.

re: #110 ratso

did ya see Bill Oreily (SIC?) take the queen Frank over the coals last night?

I did,,but i want Frank in jail,,NO!,,i want him under a jail.

re: #110 ratso

did ya see Bill Oreily (SIC?) take the queen Frank over the coals last night?

That was pure gold. And it's about freaking time someone did it.
/kudos Bill, ya done me proud.

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

What is the criteria for winning a debate? Considering the list of factual inconsistencies being exposed by Biden, does he lose points (however points are counted)? Does he get a penalty for outright lies (Obama, Hamas election)? How about Palin's score? Do you only get credit if you answer, whether it is factual incorrect or a lie? And you lose I guess if you don't lie about a topic?

How are debates scored nowadays? Is it like ice skating? Stack the judges in your favor?

re: #121 Oldasdirt

I did,,but i want Frank in jail,,NO!,,i want him under a jail.

ditto

re: #55 Cognito
Well, that may be true in a strict debate context, but as JFK proved in his debates with Nixon, he spoke "directly" to the American People, rather than debate Nixon's policy points.
And as for Biden's grasp of foreign policy issues, given that he's spent 35 years in the Senate, and for most of that time on the Senate Foreign Relations Committe, he made a number of errors and mistatements which you know a Republican would've been excorciated for making.
Palin's best line of the evening (out of several) was: "I'm glad to be able to speak directly to the American People without the filtering of the MSM" - or words to that effect.
Let's face it, the MSM HAD to conclude that Biden won the debate or risk making Charlie and Katie look like the ratbastids they are.

Biden lied, truth died.

re: #99 Racer X

"Biden's eyebrows made him look like a Klingon"
- Rush

Biden's foreign policies make him look like an Organian.

re: #90 redc1c4

of course it is...... that's the great thing about an agenda: you don't have to accept facts.

Good grief. Could you articulate my 'agenda' please?

Of course you won't. Because there's not one. I support Sarah Palin, and I thought she did well last night -- critically, she squashed questions of her very viability as a candidate -- but I won't do backflips here and claim she offered the finest debate since Lincoln-Douglas.

She did well. But no, I don't think she 'crushed' Joe Biden and so forth. Sorry.

re: #85 joekowalski247

somebody call Al Gore someone Littered

and he'll fly right over in his jet to get it.......

Excuse me Lizards, but I'm going to keep posting this until Cognito answers.

COGNITO

In #55 you say Biden won, and in #68 you say Palin came out ahead.

Geeesshhh, do you work for the media?

re: #121 Oldasdirt

I did,,but i want Frank in jail,,NO!,,i want him under a jail.

Jail? You aren't supposed to reward the criminal. He would be way too comfortable and too much fun in that environment.

One mistake:
Palin called General McKiernan "McClellan" in one of her answers, but big deal.
Not on the same level as Biden forgetting the name of "the country north of Israel."

re: #93 Honorary Yooper

Biden lost not due to what he said, but due to his body language. Biden was losing his cool several times during the debate. He almost popped a blood vessel at one point. His face was very red during the second half of the debate. He kept slurring his words as the debate went on. And as for how Biden spoke, he was growling in the last 20 minutes. It was an actual low growl while he was speaking.

maybe the battery was running down?

re: #133 CommonCents

Jail? You aren't supposed to reward the criminal. He would be way too comfortable and too much fun in that environment.

yeah, talk about 72 vigins woah!

re: #14 Ojoe

Bosniacs at the Alamo

I laughed so hard when he said 'Bosniacs'!

Excuse me Lizards, but I'm going to keep posting this until Cognito answers.

COGNITO

In #55 you say Biden won, and in #68 you say Palin came out ahead.

Geeesshhh, do you work for the media?

I thought the highlight of the entire evening was the Dick Morris beat down on Colmes after the debate. I was laughing my ass off.

re: #104 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Speaking with confidence about bullshit is the hallmark of a great liar.

That's a great line. I was reminded of an engineer I worked with years ago who had the ability to say the most preposterous things with unshakable confidence, while looking his victim square in the eye. I used to imagine him shaving in the morning while looking in the mirror and saying, "Two and two are five..."

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

But the media said Joey Botox won the debate, so why are we picking nits here?

"Winning" the debate may have cost him the election.

re: #133 CommonCents

Jail? You aren't supposed to reward the criminal. He would be way too comfortable and too much fun in that environment.

Thats why i thought under the jail might be better

re: #118 ploome hineni

cognito will not TELL US what he considers Gov Palin's lies/mistakes

Oh, for heaven's sake.

You're transparently tried to get me to offer a detailed criticism of the candidate I support. That's lame.

If you really think Sarah Palin didn't make any factual errors last night, I'm not going to shatter that view here.

re: #129 Cognito

Good grief. Could you articulate my 'agenda' please?

Of course you won't. Because there's not one. I support Sarah Palin, and I thought she did well last night -- critically, she squashed questions of her very viability as a candidate -- but I won't do backflips here and claim she offered the finest debate since Lincoln-Douglas.

She did well. But no, I don't think she 'crushed' Joe Biden and so forth. Sorry.

Here's the MSM criteria - Palin was supposed to come out looking like and idiot and unworthy of the same stage as Biden.

Palin kept pace with Biden, got her jabs in, spoke to the t.v. audience and walked away with not a gaffe I could point out (McKeirnan vs McClellan, maybe, but not as an intentional misdirection ala Biden)

Biden did not win, Palin did not lose.

re: #109 buzzsawmonkey

The "weariness" was to show gravitas--the weight of the world resting on his shoulders, to symbolize the Knowledge and Experience he brings to augment the Freshness and Youthful Vision of the Obamessiah.

It was to show that he is the sandbag that steadies the Obama hot air balloon.

fixed that for ya!

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

Plenty.

"Missed opportunities" are mistakes?

re: #110 ratso

did ya see Bill Oreily (SIC?) take the queen Frank over the coals last night?

No gay bashing, please.

re: #145 Cognito

Oh, for heaven's sake.

You're transparently tried to get me to offer a detailed criticism of the candidate I support. That's lame.
If you really think Sarah Palin didn't make any factual errors last night, I'm not going to shatter that view here.

Transparently. Hell, Ploome did it APPARENTLY, right out in the open. Idiot. You make it sound like she was trying to bait you.

Excuse me Lizards, but I'm going to keep posting this until Cognito answers.

COGNITO

In #55 you say Biden won, and in #68 you say Palin came out ahead.

How come? Explain?

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

Excuse me Lizards, but I'm going to keep posting this until Cognito answers.

COGNITO

In #55 you say Biden won, and in #68 you say Palin came out ahead.

Geeesshhh, do you work for the media?

Ah, Walter: Calm down.

I didn't say Biden won. Anywhere. I think that in many respects the debate was a draw, but that a draw is huge for Palin because she had to claw her way back up to level ground. She did.

re: #119 Sharmuta

But lying their butts off to skew the perception of this debate by saying biden won? I think the American people are smarter than the pundits give us credit for.

Usually.

Hell, the American people are smarter than a lot of lizards give them credit for being.

re: #102 Cognito

Sorry, they both made mistakes. Believe it or not.

No mistake Palin made was remotely, closely, on a par with Biden's imaginary victory over Hizballah.

Not even close.

That wasn't just a gaffe, it was "just making shit up". Bluto Blutarski's "was it 'over' when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" is factually accurate in comparison. I mean, hell, at least someone bombed Pearl Harbor, he got that part right. Not so with Biden's "Hizballah driven out of Lebanon".

re: #145 Cognito

Oh, for heaven's sake.

You're transparently tried to get me to offer a detailed criticism of the candidate I support. That's lame.

If you really think Sarah Palin didn't make any factual errors last night, I'm not going to shatter that view here.

Honestly...if anyone wants a list of Palin's mistakes, couldn't you just ask someone in the MSM? They'll be happy to tell you.

The only one I caught during the show was she messed up the name of the commander in Afghanistan. It's not McLellan, it's McKiernan. But I'm going to read the NYT and WaPo now, I'm sure they have more.

re: #154 Cognito

Ah, Walter: Calm down.

I didn't say Biden won. Anywhere. I think that in many respects the debate was a draw, but that a draw is huge for Palin because she had to claw her way back up to level ground. She did.

Bullshit... your own words...

"I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretchden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff."

Explain, as I have asked you to do.

Another lie both Biden and Obama were pushing in the debates.

NY Times Iraq Reporter Corrects Russert: 'American Troops Were Greeted as Liberators' (video)

Reminded by Tim Russert on Russert's Saturday night CNBC show, about how Vice President Cheney predicted U.S. troops would be welcomed as “liberators” by the Iraqi people, New York Times Iraq reporter John Burns corrected Russert's presumption that Cheney was misguided: “The American troops were greeted as liberators. We saw it. It lasted very briefly, it was exhausted quickly by the looting.” Burns added: “I think that the instincts that led to much that went wrong were good American instincts: the desire not to have too heavy of a footprint, the desire to empower Iraqis.”

re: #156 Occasional Reader

Very well said. I can't upding you more than once.

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit... your own words...

"I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretchden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff."

Explain, as I have asked you to do.

I did, Walter.

re: #150 joncelli

No gay bashing, please.

gulp, sorry about that. "I mean not that theres anything wrong with that", spoken with my Sienfield voice.

I love how Joe Biden kept referring to himself in third person.

"Joe Biden is here to tell you that Joe Biden's opinion of Barrack Obama has changed immensely since the primaries. Joe Biden knows that Barrack Obama is ready to run this country into the ground and Joe Biden wants the best seat possible."

- possible Joe Biden quote

re: #145 Cognito

Oh, for heaven's sake.

You're transparently tried to get me to offer a detailed criticism of the candidate I support. That's lame.

If you really think Sarah Palin didn't make any factual errors last night, I'm not going to shatter that view here.

IOW, you have nothing.

(except an agenda, of course.)

re: #156 Occasional Reader

That wasn't just a gaffe, it was "just making shit up". Bluto Blutarski's "was it 'over' when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" is factually accurate in comparison. I mean, hell, at least someone bombed Pearl Harbor, he got that part right. Not so with Biden's "Hizballah driven out of Lebanon".

I'm waiting for him to say, "...And Barack Obama is going to solve these problems like Jesus parting the Red Sea!"

re: #141 CommonCents

I thought the highlight of the entire evening was the Dick Morris beat down on Colmes after the debate. I was laughing my ass off.

I actually felt bad for Skeletor

re: #168 ErnieG

I'm waiting for him to say, "...And Barack Obama is going to solve these problems like Jesus parting the Red Sea!"

he already made the sea recede hasn't he?

Lastly, Sarah COULD have completely demolished "Sleazy" Joe by taking up for GWB and pointing out the following after hearling the blowhard utter the same mantra "George Bush's failed foreign policies..."

1.) "Sleazy" Joe, if Barrack Obama was president (IBOWP), Saddam Hussein would still be "leading" Iraq, threatening the Middle East and killing his own people.

2.) (IBOWP) Libya would still be in the final stages of their nuclear program.

3.) (IBOWP) Syria, most likely, would still be in Lebanon, not isolated, and probably not participating in peace talks with Israel.

3a.) (IBOWP) Israel probably would not have destroyed Syria's nuclear facility by working so closely with the US Administration and Dick Cheney. Instead Obama's advisors (such as anti-Israel Jimmy Carter and his sidekick Zib) would have certainly advised against it.

4.) (IBOWP) The US would be more vulnerable to attack in the absence of the Patriot Act and our ability to filter suspected foreign phone calls.

5.) Our relationship with the conservative French government would has been repaired nicely. (Thanks to GWB)

6.) (IBOWP) Al-Queda would have free reign in Iraq.

I don't consider these facts to be "failed policies" Sleazy Joe!

re: #97 solomonpanting

Lovitz's father was my family's doctor when I was a kid.

I was the mayor there.

the msm has gone over to the dark side.
they are the enemy. plain and simple.
but their power wanes as the public see thru their lies and distortions.
it is becoming so obvious that they have no integrity and are nothing but
maniacal propagandists. they look desperate and ridiculous .
especially here, where they try to tell us that we did NOT see, w/ our eyes, sarah palin dramatically outshine biden.
the msm is insulting the citizens of this country.
and that is why we are rejecting them.

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

I did not see Cognito say--anywhere--that Palin had "lied," but that she had made mistakes. And she did. They were not, perhaps, fatal mistakes, but mistakes they were, and they weakened the strengths of her appearance.

I agree that she made significant errors of omission. I am hoping at least some of them were strategic "holding fire".

The examples I've seen so far of her positive errors made during the debate are trivial.

At what point in the campaign do McCain and Palin finally start calling Obama and Biden out on their lies? I kept waiting for Palin to give Biden a fact check, but it never happened.

Obama's campaign has been running an ad talking about how McCain is in the pocket of "special interests" which is rich considering Obama has taken more money from Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac than anyone else in congress over the past four years. Will McCain ever hammer him for it? There seem to be so many facts like this which could be used against the Obama campaign, but I don't see the McCain campaign using them. Why? It's frustrating. It almost seems like McCain is trying to be so nice that he won't say anything truly bad about Obama. "Not ready to lead" is about as rough as he seems willing to get.

I'm waiting for the TV ad series which clearly spells out Obama = radical socialist. It wouldn't be hard to produce.

re: #174 buzzsawmonkey

but can anyone believe that the Bailout Bill will not require some sort of tax increase

Actually, that remains to be seen. It could net out, as the RTC did.

re: #145 Cognito
For the first (maybe second) time I feel sympathy for you.
Yes I too think Palin won the biggest part of the entire debate: showing that she could stand up with the "big boys" in a public debate and hold her on and then some - but you seem to be judging the debate on the kind of "scoring" done at school or college debates and on that point I think you are missing the basic points being made here (and elsewhere): for Biden, the Foreign Policy Maven, to make the kinds of mistakes he made ("the country north of Israel" is one of the milder ones) and some of the outright distortions and factual inaccuracies he made, he DIDN'T "win" the debate EVEN on a standard debating type of scorecard (where points are usually deducted for inaccurate factual statements). But I regret that YOU are getting all the flak on this.
YOU may work for the MSM, but you ARE NOT the MSM and that's where I think some of the comments here directed at you are so off-base.

re: #166 redc1c4

IOW, you have nothing.

(except an agenda, of course.)

Right. What's that agenda again?

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

I did not see Cognito say--anywhere--that Palin had "lied," but that she had made mistakes. And she did. They were not, perhaps, fatal mistakes, but mistakes they were, and they weakened the strengths of her appearance.

X number of questions, 90 seconds for primary response, 120 for rebuttal.

You have to pick and choose what to lead with, and what to respond with.

Palin's biggest strength was to say "tomorrow the Pundits will start analyzing and fact-checking". That process takes about 72 hours, usually, to 'complete'.

I think Palin did as well as possible given the circumstances. MSM has two choices: (a) decide the VP debate was inconsequential and ignore the fact-checking, or (b) cover for Biden/Obama.
I don't know which route they'll decide on.

re: #177 ConservativeAtheist

At what point in the campaign do McCain and Palin finally start calling Obama and Biden out on their lies? I kept waiting for Palin to give Biden a fact check, but it never happened.

Obama's campaign has been running an ad talking about how McCain is in the pocket of "special interests" which is rich considering Obama has taken more money from Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac than anyone else in congress over the past four years. Will McCain ever hammer him for it? There seem to be so many facts like this which could be used against the Obama campaign, but I don't see the McCain campaign using them. Why? It's frustrating. It almost seems like McCain is trying to be so nice that he won't say anything truly bad about Obama. "Not ready to lead" is about as rough as he seems willing to get.

I'm waiting for the TV ad series which clearly spells out Obama = radical socialist. It wouldn't be hard to produce.

McCain is likely waiting for the bailout to be inked before "going there".

He's got two more debates to bring this up. . .I suspect he will.

re: #156 Occasional Reader

I love it when threads go Belushi.

re: #77 arethusa

Thanks.

re: #14 Ojoe

LOLOLOL

Funny!

re: #183 ploome hineni

trying to assume some gravitias while essentilly coming across as a pathetic pseudo intellectual covering your ass

Mmmm. Indubidably. Indubedably. Indubitabely. Right you are.

re: #18 Dirk Diggler

Terror, murder, extortion...SO MANY WONDERFUL PRODUCTS MADE IN PALYSTEIIIIIN

re: #184 jwb7605

I think Palin did as well as possible given the circumstances. MSM has two choices: (a) decide the VP debate was inconsequential and ignore the fact-checking, or (b) cover for Biden/Obama.
I don't know which route they'll decide on.

Haha, if we've been watching the same race I think the answer is pretty obvious.

Definitely B. Why ignore when you can just pass off obama campaign lies as news?

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Heh.

re: #131 ploome hineni

Who cares? Her shoes were fabulous.

/

re: #126 realwest

I liked her riffing on 'I may not answer what the moderator wants, but I'm going to speak directly to the people', or something like that. That was great.

re: #179 Occasional Reader
Spot on post and, iirc, the American Taxpayer (well, at least the government) actually made a profit on some of the RTC/FDIC dealings in the early '90's.
But I don't understand the FDIC objecting to WellsFargo taking over Wachovia instead of Citigroup, given that the WellsFargo take over requires no money from the FDIC nor does it requre that the FDIC eat a lot of the crappier loans made by Wachoivia.
It's like the FDIC is LOOKING to take a hit this time.

OY I KEEEEEEL THREAD

re: #195 buzzsawmonkey

Nasrallah was probably driven out of Lebanon--and into Syria, in a Lincoln Town Car.

I prefer to think they had to smuggle him out in a donkey, like Vincenzo Cortino.

re: #197 WriterMom
Yeah, I liked that A LOT. I think a closer quote would be "I appreciate the opportunity to speak directly to the American people without the filtering of the MSM".
Take that Katie!
BTW, did you catch the open mike comment made by Gwen ("what's a conflict of interest?") Ifill to Biden after the debate "You did great Joe you and Obama are right on" or words to that effect.

OY! I kill another thread!
realwest = threadkiller!

re: #202 realwest

No, I didn't watch the whole thing, but that would be GAFFETASTIC if the moderator said that.

Sorry guys, have to totally disagree on this post. This is a semantics issue at best. Everybody supported the ELECTIONS, the elections weren't necessarily a bad thing, the question is do we support the results. I wouldn't call this a lie. Biden clearly was saying Obama didn't support Hamas, not that he didn't support having open elections. How can that've been a bad thing?
Now, being willfully oblivious to the fact that the people on the ground love Hamas and hate Jews is indeed a terrible sin. But elections, regardless of their horrible outcome, were a step in the right direction.

Re: Joe Biden Lied ... Do these people even know the truth themselves any more? Or do they just make it up from day to day to suit their audience? I know, I know, dumb question.

re: #211 ploome hineni

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

Don't worry, be happy!

Whoops, I was totally wrong, I didn't read the transcript and gave Biden the benefit of the doubt. I'm an idiot. He was wrong and he lied big time.

It's up to 24 lies now:

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re: #173 debutaunt

I was the mayor there.

"There" being...Encino?

The only error I could see for Gov Palin was calling the Afghanistan Commander McClellan (who was Lincoln's Civil War General before U.S. Grant). A minor error compared to Sen. Gaffetastic's plethora of errors. Gov. Palin skewered Biden and did it with a smile. She is unique in federal politics a national treasure. I've seen so many dour faces in NYC on dems after this debate, there is no plausible possibility that Biden came close to winning. I even heard Andy Sullivan's faint screaming (like the sound of a horcrux that's been magically killed) after the debate. The repubs also see that this was a clear win for Palin. The troops are ready to go, and are only waiting for McCain to put in an equally stellar performance and bring a gun not a popsicle to his remaining debates.