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Biden Lied About Obama Not Supporting Hamas Election

Politics | Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:58:46 am PDT

That’s right—not only did Biden confuse the West Bank and Gaza, he blatantly lied when he said that Barack Obama did not support the Palestinian elections that put Hamas in control of Gaza.

During His 2006 Trip To The Middle East, Obama Met With Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas And Said The Election Represented An “Opportunity...To Consolidate Behind A Single Government.” “Illinois Senator Barack Obama’s journey to the Middle East took him to the West Bank Thursday for a meeting with the man elected to replace Yasser Arafat. ... For a time Thursday in the West Bank there was only the clatter of cameras as the newly elected president of the Palestinian authority, Mahmoud Abbas, met with Illinois Senator Barack Obama. At a meeting with Palestinian students Thursday, Obama said the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel, and Obama told ABC7 he delivered that message to the Palestinian president. ‘Part of the opportunity here with this upcoming election is to consolidate behind a single government with a single authority that can then negotiate as a reliable partner with Israel,’ said Obama.” (Chuck Goudie, “Obama Meets With Arafat’s Successor,” ABC 7 News, http://obama.senate.gov, 1/12/06)

The Palestinian News Agency WAFA Reported That Obama Was Supportive Of The Palestinian Elections Being Held At Their Scheduled Time. “President Mahmoud Abbas met Thursday with the U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), in the Presidential HQ in Ramallah...President briefed the U.S. Senator about the latest developments in the Palestinian territories including the preparations for the legislative elections.... Abbas and Obama discussed the means of underpinning the American-Palestinian economic relations...Obama asserted the US supports and eager that the Palestinian legislative elections on its proposed time (January 25).”

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1 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:00:11 am reply quote

...And, of course, Hamas returned the favor, supporting Obama's election with phone banks.

2 Irene NYC  10/03/08 9:00:30 am reply quote

The guy just makes things up as he goes along. Typical Dem.

3 MandyManners  10/03/08 9:01:04 am reply quote

When will AW show up to nit-pick?

4 Ojoe  10/03/08 9:01:24 am reply quote

Shine the light on these roaches

5 Kingphin  10/03/08 9:01:30 am reply quote

Anyone else having trouble with loading the link?


"Page cannot be found"


You've requested a FOXBusiness.com page that cannot be found. The page you are looking for may have moved or it may no longer be available. We apologize for the inconvenience.

6 Fluffster  10/03/08 9:01:31 am reply quote

Did the ole joker say anything true in the debate?

7 Honorary Yooper  10/03/08 9:01:32 am reply quote

Senator "Commie" Joe Biden was really full of lies and half-truths last night during the debate. However, I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel in his forehead at one point in the latter half of the debate. Most of his debate talk during that time was given in a low growl rather than just a talk.

8 Sharmuta  10/03/08 9:01:42 am reply quote

And when pressed about jimmy carter's support of hamas, 0bama wanted to just finish his waffle.

9 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  10/03/08 9:02:03 am reply quote

What? The Gaffe Master lied?

No!

/

10 Ford_Prefect  10/03/08 9:02:05 am reply quote

re: #6 Fluffster

Did the ole joker say anything true in the debate?

When he said he was pleased to meat Sarah.

11 Ben Hur  10/03/08 9:02:33 am reply quote

But it's not WHAT he says that's important in a debate.

It's HOW he says it.

Otherwise:

What?

BBL.

12 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  10/03/08 9:02:59 am reply quote

re: #10 Ford_Prefect

When he said he was pleased to meat Sarah.


I wonder if he was perving on her legs?

I had to TVIO the debate as I had a client meeting last night. I can't wait to see it when I get home today.

13 doppelganglander  10/03/08 9:03:11 am reply quote

I'd like to know how many of those fraudulent foreign contributions to the Obama campaign came from the Palestinians.

14 Ojoe  10/03/08 9:03:16 am reply quote

Bosniacs at the Alamo

15 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:03:18 am reply quote

re: #9 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

What? The Gaffe Master lied?

No!

/

Gaffe Master Joe and the Flurry of Lies? Sounds like an early hiphop group.

16 Charles  10/03/08 9:03:37 am reply quote

re: #5 Kingphin

Anyone else having trouble with loading the link?

"Page cannot be found"

You've requested a FOXBusiness.com page that cannot be found. The page you are looking for may have moved or it may no longer be available. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Bad character in the link. It's now fixed.

17 eschew_obfuscation  10/03/08 9:04:02 am reply quote

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Gaffe Master Joe and the Flurry of Lies? Sounds like an early hiphop group.

Or a new Harry Potter book...

18 Dirk Diggler  10/03/08 9:04:13 am reply quote
Abbas and Obama discussed the means of underpinning the American-Palestinian economic relations...



Economic relations? What the heck could Palestine have that anyone would want to buy, trade, or barter for? What is their chief export? Rubble? Raw sewage? Used Kalashnikovs?

20 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:04:19 am reply quote

Gaff Count:

Biden: 62653

Palin: 2


Nationwide poll confirms that Biden is Gaff free.

21 JammieWearingFool  10/03/08 9:04:20 am reply quote

But the media said Joey Botox won the debate, so why are we picking nits here?

22 Occasional Reader  10/03/08 9:04:51 am reply quote
During His 2006 Trip To The Middle East

... which was actually a secret mission with the French, to drive Hizballah out of Lebanon. Soon to be a major motion picture, starring Wesley Snipes and Jean Reno.

23 Ojoe  10/03/08 9:04:58 am reply quote

Bosniacs at the Alamo, good grasp of foreign events there Joe !

24 Honorary Yooper  10/03/08 9:05:31 am reply quote

re: #20 joekowalski247

Gaff Count:

Biden: 62653

Palin: 2


Nationwide poll confirms that Biden is Gaff free.

Nationwide poll was taken by CNN and endorced by the Daily Kos.

25 Charles  10/03/08 9:06:08 am reply quote

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

26 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/03/08 9:06:12 am reply quote

Gov. Palin didn't pick up the big hammer last night. I hope Sen. McCain takes a few well-directed swings with it in the next two debates.

*cough*ACORN*cough*

27 Ojoe  10/03/08 9:06:20 am reply quote

LGF: Bosniacs at the Alamo

28 Macker  10/03/08 9:06:24 am reply quote

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

Senator "Commie" Joe Biden was really full of lies and half-truths last night during the debate. However, I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel in his forehead at one point in the latter half of the debate. Most of his debate talk during that time was given in a low growl rather than just a talk.

And off stage he was quite likely launching profanity-laden tirades at his staff all over the place!

29 Ford_Prefect  10/03/08 9:06:28 am reply quote

re: #20 joekowalski247

Gaff Count:

Biden: 62653

Palin: 2


Nationwide poll confirms that Biden is Gaff free.

62654...62655...62656...

30 Ojoe  10/03/08 9:06:44 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

Chemtrails!

31 Charles  10/03/08 9:06:45 am reply quote

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

32 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:06:52 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

I am shocked and amazed. Not.

33 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:07:12 am reply quote

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

That proves it because it cant be disproved

34 newsjunkie_ky  10/03/08 9:07:18 am reply quote

joeplugs has been in the senate for 35 years. He is supposed to be the 'experience' that obambi needed.
Then why didn't he mop the floor with Sarah last night? With his experience it should have been a slam-dunk.
But it wasn't. Sarah WON!

35 FrogMarch  10/03/08 9:07:23 am reply quote

Fact Check dot org isn't interested in this fact.

36 Macker  10/03/08 9:07:30 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Does this include Fox, too?

38 Pullus Iulius  10/03/08 9:07:53 am reply quote

Can congress start drawing up articles of impeachment now, to have them ready for January, if needed?

39 Who Watches the Watchmen?  10/03/08 9:07:57 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

No surprise there. IMHO, it was a draw--in baseball terms, she hit a double in her first at-bat against big league pitching.

40 Ford_Prefect  10/03/08 9:08:01 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Don't hurt yourself looking, Charles.

41 rednaxela  10/03/08 9:08:05 am reply quote

So Barry "will never recognize winning Hamas candidates".

Hmmm... that's going to make the peace process under Barry pretty burdensome.

42 CyanSnowHawk  10/03/08 9:08:13 am reply quote

Is there a story somewhere that lists Biden's mistakes?

43 kynna  10/03/08 9:08:19 am reply quote

I don't think Biden even tried to tell the truth. Why should he? They're covered. He just made crap up as he went along because he knew Ifill wouldn't question it and Palin wouldn't have time without coming off as defensive or shrewish.

The dem ticket is freaking malevolent.

44 rednaxela  10/03/08 9:08:38 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

Which one?

45 pink freud  10/03/08 9:09:05 am reply quote

Rush opens his show by wishing that he had chosen "Scranton" as his drinking word last night. LOL!

46 RTLM  10/03/08 9:09:16 am reply quote

Biden's 14 other lies.
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]


1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

47 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:09:20 am reply quote

re: #38 Pullus Iulius

Can congress start drawing up articles of impeachment now, to have them ready for January, if needed?

a) For whom?

b) No. Nothing left undone in a particular Congress remains live after that Congress adjourns.

48 ploome hineni  10/03/08 9:09:21 am reply quote

re: #3 MandyManners

When will AW show up to nit-pick?

view from her ass?
and where is cogNUtso?

49 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:09:35 am reply quote

Can I resurrect the Dixie Chicks and say that I'm embarrassed to share the same name as Senator Biden?

50 newsjunkie_ky  10/03/08 9:09:50 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.


Rush saying this exact thing. NOT ONE honest reporter!

51 Sharmuta  10/03/08 9:09:53 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

They're circling the wagons. She held her own and was knowledgeable about the issues- she wasn't supposed to do that, she was supposed to look like an idiot hick, so this is the spin they have to run with.

52 ErnieG  10/03/08 9:09:55 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Imagine my surprise.

53 ploome hineni  10/03/08 9:10:18 am reply quote

re: #36 Macker

Does this include Fox, too?

FOX seems to be splt

54 Alouette  10/03/08 9:10:20 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

They decided that before the debate even started.

55 Cognito  10/03/08 9:10:23 am reply quote

re: #39 Who Watches the Watchmen?

No surprise there. IMHO, it was a draw--in baseball terms, she hit a double in her first at-bat against big league pitching.

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

56 Zevy  10/03/08 9:10:33 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Rush just said the EXACT same thing at 12:10 EDT. Charles beat him to it!

57 Honorary Yooper  10/03/08 9:10:48 am reply quote

re: #31 Charles

I haven't found one MSM article that gives it to Palin.

Don't worry, you won't. They hate her with a passion.

58 Occasional Reader  10/03/08 9:10:59 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Especially the stuff he made up.

59 redc1c4  10/03/08 9:11:26 am reply quote

one could write an article about Joey Botox's performance and his unusual grasp of facts, but it would need a catchy title......

maybe something like "An Inconvenient Truth"?

%-)

60 Sharmuta  10/03/08 9:11:47 am reply quote

I think it's great the msm is spinning this as a biden win. It will alienate more viewers and readers. The American people saw it for themselves, and they can't even call it a draw. No- let them lie- they're signing their own death warrant.

61 Ford_Prefect  10/03/08 9:11:50 am reply quote

re: #49 joekowalski247

Can I resurrect the Dixie Chicks and say that I'm embarrassed to share the same name as Senator Biden?

Your name is Senator? That's an odd name.

62 x-wing  10/03/08 9:11:51 am reply quote

O.K. Rush, get off my Raiders. I know they suck, but you don't have to rub it in.

63 ratso  10/03/08 9:11:51 am reply quote

balanced news coverage, thats FOX re: #53 ploome hineni

FOX seems to be splt

64 Alouette  10/03/08 9:11:58 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Yeah, he had all his lies down cold.

65 doppelganglander  10/03/08 9:12:02 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

They came to that conclusion on Wednesday.

66 redc1c4  10/03/08 9:12:14 am reply quote

re: #37 buzzsawmonkey

The newsboy threw Obama's copy of the newsletter in the bushes that week.

"boy"? you racist!

67 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:12:17 am reply quote

re: #54 Alouette

They decided that before the debate even started.

They decided that two weeks ago.

68 Cognito  10/03/08 9:12:26 am reply quote

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Especially the stuff he made up.

True. (Although it's true they both were... lacking... in factuality.)

I think she came out ahead, mostly because she had so much to lose. If she'd blown it, she could have sunk the whole campaign. She didn't do that, though.

69 ploome hineni  10/03/08 9:12:29 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

are you intentionally ignoring all his LIES?

70 looking closely  10/03/08 9:12:33 am reply quote

Biden simply spouted the most intellectually dishonest debate I think I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, if you lie confidently enough and aren't immediately called on it, its the "truth" as far as the debate goes.

71 yma o hyd  10/03/08 9:12:36 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

That was quick!

72 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:12:49 am reply quote

re: #66 redc1c4

"boy"? you racist!

Oh, all right. "Newsyouth."

73 RTLM  10/03/08 9:13:10 am reply quote

Rush reads LGF.

74 newsjunkie_ky  10/03/08 9:13:15 am reply quote

Rush said, matthews said of Sarah, that it looked like watching a spelling bee.

75 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  10/03/08 9:13:26 am reply quote

Biden is sounding more and more like that old Jon Lovitz character, the one whose "wife was Morgan Fairchild".

76 CyanSnowHawk  10/03/08 9:13:37 am reply quote

re: #46 RTLM

Thanks RTLM. I'm going to start pasting this into comments on stories I find.

OT: Cool, I just typo'ed my way into a keyboard shortcut. I missed the shift key and hit Ctrl when I went to type "I" and got the italics tags inserted. I didn't know there were keyboard shortcuts for that. Thanks Charles.

77 arethusa  10/03/08 9:13:37 am reply quote

re: #42 CyanSnowHawk

Is there a story somewhere that lists Biden's mistakes?

Seems to be what's amusing the folks at the Campaign Spot this morning. They have to keep updating the list, though.

Also, they call them "hallucinations." I think they're on to something there. ;)

78 galloping granny  10/03/08 9:13:38 am reply quote

re: #54 Alouette

They decided that before the debate even started.

They actually had polls up and accepting votes on who won the debate before the candidates even arrived on stage - by a couple of hours.

79 ploome hineni  10/03/08 9:13:40 am reply quote

re: #61 Ford_Prefect

Your name is Senator? That's an odd name.

maybe he should change it to HUssain?

80 realwest  10/03/08 9:13:41 am reply quote

re: #19 Sharmuta
Just a great post/link. Thanks Sharm!

81 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:13:49 am reply quote

re: #70 looking closely

Biden simply spouted the most intellectually dishonest debate I think I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, if you lie confidently enough and aren't immediately called on it, its the "truth" as far as the debate goes.

Yes. And a goodly portion of those listening would not have had the independent knowledge to recognize his clankers.

82 redc1c4  10/03/08 9:13:57 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

and in other news from your reality...............

you're so full of it that even the sky is brown on your planet.

83 unrealizedviewpoint  10/03/08 9:13:59 am reply quote

I can't imagine all the MSM reporter rewrites that needed be done late last night after Vice President Probable Sarah Palin produced such a phenomenal unexpected showing.

84 solomonpanting  10/03/08 9:14:02 am reply quote

Obama to Biden:

"Stop lying about my record."

85 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:14:06 am reply quote

re: #66 redc1c4

"boy"? you racist!

somebody call Al Gore someone Littered

86 doppelganglander  10/03/08 9:14:18 am reply quote

re: #49 joekowalski247

Can I resurrect the Dixie Chicks and say that I'm embarrassed to share the same name as Senator Biden?

You also share a name with the iconic Joe Sixpack. Not to mention Joe Cool.

87 Walter L. Newton  10/03/08 9:14:37 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Sure. Knew his stuff? I think it has already been pointed out here this morning that he DOESN'T know his stuff. And this is only the start. I have seen fact checkers that have over 20 problems with his facts. Maybe you should wait a while and research this a little more before you go shooting off you mouth.

88 ploome hineni  10/03/08 9:14:45 am reply quote

re: #68 Cognito

True. (Although it's true they both were... lacking... in factuality.)

I think she came out ahead, mostly because she had so much to lose. If she'd blown it, she could have sunk the whole campaign. She didn't do that, though.

examples please?

/evenhanded all the way

//spit

89 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:14:50 am reply quote

re: #75 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Biden is sounding more and more like that old Jon Lovitz character, the one whose "wife was Morgan Fairchild".

Yeah thats the ticket'

90 redc1c4  10/03/08 9:15:04 am reply quote

re: #69 ploome hineni

are you intentionally ignoring all his LIES?

of course it is...... that's the great thing about an agenda: you don't have to accept facts.

91 MandyManners  10/03/08 9:15:18 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

WTF? HE LIED HIS BUTT OFF.

92 realwest  10/03/08 9:15:22 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles Charles, I watched the Debate on Fox last night and the panel there all seemed to think that Palin "won" - have they now changed their minds?
And is the rest of the MSM outta theirs?!

93 Honorary Yooper  10/03/08 9:15:24 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

I agree. She did well, which was a victory. But to say she won might be a stretch. Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Biden lost not due to what he said, but due to his body language. Biden was losing his cool several times during the debate. He almost popped a blood vessel at one point. His face was very red during the second half of the debate. He kept slurring his words as the debate went on. And as for how Biden spoke, he was growling in the last 20 minutes. It was an actual low growl while he was speaking.

94 arethusa  10/03/08 9:15:26 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary...

/That's because of those health problems he's about to withdraw over.

95 neoconundrum  10/03/08 9:15:29 am reply quote

CNN's partisan and overtly pro-Obama "Fact Check" this morning (pertaining to the VP debate) says NOTHING about this lie Joe Biden disseminated last night.

If only there was a way to e-mail my disgust to CNN...

Every issue they bring up is "misleading" (against Sarah Palin) ...

~spit~

96 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:15:45 am reply quote

Biden is determined to disprove the old saying that you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. He creates his own facts as needed, and has a history of getting away with it.

97 solomonpanting  10/03/08 9:16:15 am reply quote

re: #75 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Biden is sounding more and more like that old Jon Lovitz character, the one whose "wife was Morgan Fairchild".


Lovitz's father was my family's doctor when I was a kid.

98 Oldasdirt  10/03/08 9:16:29 am reply quote

Good after noon lizzards,anyone see or want to see Barney Frank on Bill Oriely?

99 Racer X  10/03/08 9:16:31 am reply quote

"Biden's eyebrows made him look like a Klingon"
- Rush

100 lawhawk  10/03/08 9:16:51 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

So it was said, so shall it be done. Let's just ignore everything Biden said or did during the debate because it would be too difficult to pick out something to show that he was lying through his teeth, exaggerating, or just plum making stuff up. Instead, we'll focus on Gov. Palin and her line about Obama's penchant for voting for tax hikes.

101 unrealizedviewpoint  10/03/08 9:17:07 am reply quote

What a great setup - Upon entering the stage to shake Biden's hand she says: "Do you mind if I call you Joe?" Then near the end of the debate out comes the one-liner: "Tell me it ain't so Joe..."

102 Cognito  10/03/08 9:17:31 am reply quote

re: #88 ploome hineni

examples please?

/evenhanded all the way

//spit

Sorry, they both made mistakes. Believe it or not.

103 joekowalski247  10/03/08 9:17:32 am reply quote

re: #86 doppelganglander

Nation Wide Polling proves that People Named Joe are smarter than dumb people.

104 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  10/03/08 9:17:42 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary, etc, but he knew his stuff.

Speaking with confidence about bullshit is the hallmark of a great liar.

105 neoconundrum  10/03/08 9:17:44 am reply quote

Here's the "Fact Check" link ... ~arrrrrgh~

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

106 CommonCents  10/03/08 9:17:53 am reply quote

re: #25 Charles

The entire mainstream media has reached a consensus that Biden won the debate.

Perhaps if they had actually watched the debate instead of talking to each other they would see the truth.

107 ploome hineni  10/03/08 9:18:10 am reply quote

re: #102 Cognito

Sorry, they both made mistakes. Believe it or not.

Biden LIED

what 'mistakes' did Gov Palin make?

108 Kreuzueber Halbmond  10/03/08 9:18:18 am reply quote

You can put hair plugs and cosmetics on a liar, but in the end you still have a liar.

109 buzzsawmonkey  10/03/08 9:18:18 am reply quote

re: #55 Cognito

Biden came off as a bit weary

The "weariness" was to show gravitas--the weight of the world resting on his shoulders, to symbolize the Knowledge and Experience he brings to augment the Freshness and Youthful Vision of the Obamessiah.

It was to show that he is the sandbag that steadies the Obama balloon.

110 ratso  10/03/08 9:18:27 am reply quote