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Biden's Lies, Ignored by Media

Politics | Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:17:38 pm PDT

We’ve posted five articles now about serious mistakes and/or outright lies in Joe Biden’s performance last night—but if you read what the mainstream media have written about the debate, you won’t find a single one of these falsehoods. The media have almost unanimously declared Biden the winner, and they’re ignoring his lies to focus on bashing Sarah Palin in article after article like this one from TIME magazine: Why Some Women Hate Sarah Palin.

Here are the five articles we’ve posted, backed up with video evidence and citations from media or the Obama campaign’s own statements:

Biden Lied About Supporting ‘Clean Coal’
Biden Lied About Obama Not Supporting Hamas Election
Biden Doesn’t Know the Difference Between Gaza and the West Bank
Biden’s Lebanon Nonsense
Biden’s Big Lie

UPDATE at 10/3/08 3:36:01 pm:

The Associated Press assigned five writers to “fact check” the debate, but somehow they missed every single one of these lies and gaffes: Some facts adrift in veep debate.

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1 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:19:16pm

Shanda!

2 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:20:20pm

Yeah on the back of my Slime magazine. . .Camobama Brown and her dishonest ad promising "no bias no bull"

Wrong on both counts!

3 BBev  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:20:36pm

Were they watching the same debate?

4 Gorgon Zola  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:20:51pm

Sarah won the debate and demonstrated she has the vocabulary of a well read individual.

5 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:22:09pm

I've always hated that fake-smiling ultra-leftsit scum Plugs Biden

6 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:22:32pm

What is left to say, really? The lines have been drawn, people have taken sides. This is not going to end well.

7 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:22:37pm

re: #3 BBev

Were they watching the same debate?

Of course not. They were mesmerized by the rainbows shooting out of Joe's hair plugs.

8 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:22:44pm

Nielsen reporting that almost 70 million watched the debates.

Well, that's one way for lies to go viral.

9 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:23:22pm

Quick, step up the smear campaign, she's killing us.

/

10 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:23:22pm

For my entire life, I never really believed that it could happen here. I was acquainted with Stalin and Orwell's novels, but I never thought that I could actually see it happen here before my eyes in the US of A.

11 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:23:47pm

I was so proud of her last night when she looked into the camera and said she did NOT support gay marraige.

12 Irene NYC  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:24:35pm

re: #11 Alaska Kim

I was so proud of her last night when she looked into the camera and said she did NOT support gay marraige.


As well as not supporting bigomy.
;)

13 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:24:36pm

re: #7 doppelganglander

Of course not. They were mesmerized by the rainbows shooting out of Joe's hair plugs.

Democrat hair plugs of destruction?

14 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:24:36pm

re: #10 MJBrutus

For my entire life, I never really believed that it could happen here. I was acquainted with Stalin and Orwell's novels, but I never thought that I could actually see it happen here before my eyes in the US of A.


Buying votes with productive citizens' taxes will work until the economy collapses.

15 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:24:44pm

re: #11 Alaska Kim

I was so proud of her last night when she looked into the camera and said she did NOT support gay marraige.

And the world did not collapse from an honest, straightforward answer, did it?

16 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:24:44pm
17 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:25:00pm

If this whole country goes under and we have to start again from scratch, I want us to take another look at that Freedom of the Press thing.
/Joking. Or am I?

18 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:25:04pm

Ya think the MSM might have an agenda at play here?

Of course they do. As Hannity says, "2008, the year journalism died".

19 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:25:08pm

re: #10 MJBrutus

For my entire life, I never really believed that it could happen here. I was acquainted with Stalin and Orwell's novels, but I never thought that I could actually see it happen here before my eyes in the US of A.

I know what you mean- I am praying for a Dewey moment!

20 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:25:33pm

They lie with impunity. Clinton lied under oath an virtually nothing came of it. Time to consider the ethics of the guy running for president. Obama, doesn't appear to make good judgment in the choice of both friends and associates.

21 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:25:59pm

re: #11 Alaska Kim

I was so proud of her last night when she looked into the camera and said she did NOT support gay marraige.

And she got Bieden to say that he and Obama don't either!

22 Lacertus Atrioli  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:26:35pm

The lamestream media have no interest in reporting anything that doesn't show their Messiah or his minion Joe in a favorable light.

23 BBev  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:26:36pm

re: #7 doppelganglander

Of course not. They were mesmerized by the rainbows shooting out of Joe's hair plugs.

She slapped him around like he was her bitch. with every answer he gave it looked like is was all she could do not to laugh in his face and slammed his own words back at him and all the lies he has told, so how can they even think he won.

24 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:26:43pm

re: #20 Perplexed


They lie with impunity. Clinton lied under oath an virtually nothing came of it. Time to consider the ethics of the guy running for president. Obama, doesn't appear to make good judgment in the choice of both friends and associates.


The vast majority of people do not realize he was impeached. . .

25 Shay4l  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:27:06pm

re: #21 DisturbedEma

And she got Bieden to say that he and Obama don't either!


Won't matter. Gay advantage fanatics will never vote R

26 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:27:14pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

And the world did not collapse from an honest, straightforward answer, did it?

Nope.
And I just wish, wish, wish they'd have brought up abortion. she'd have looked into the camera and said the same thing.

27 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:27:39pm

re: #17 Pullus Iulius

If this whole country goes under and we have to start again from scratch, I want us to take another look at that Freedom of the Press thing.
/Joking. Or am I?

Hmmm, reading some books on the Civil War, the press was considerably more vicious than it is today. Freedom without responsibility is anarchy and the press needs to be held accountable with what gets published.

28 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:27:43pm

Belinda Luscombe should be ashamed of herself for writing that inconsequential piece of fluff.

29 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:27:44pm

re: #24 DisturbedEma

The vast majority of people do not realize he was impeached. . .

They seem to think that impeached means thrown out of office.

30 stuiec  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:27:57pm

Not up to the MSM -- or, more accurately, no one can expect the MSM to do that job anymore, now that journalistic ethics and standards are dead and gone. The RNC and the McCain campaign have to create and run the ads showing Biden's debate-night lies side-by-side with his own words demonstrating the opposite.

31 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:28:32pm

re: #14 Shay4l

Yes, and that is when the REAL scapegoating will commence.

32 BBev  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:28:46pm

re: #29 CyanSnowHawk

They seem to think that impeached means thrown out of office.

And John f'n Kerry was in Vietnam did you now that?

sarc/

33 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:29:16pm

re: #18 Athos

Ya think the MSM might have an agenda at play here?

Of course they do. As Hannity says, "2008, the year journalism died".

I think it died years ago, that's why it stinks so bad.

34 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:29:47pm

Sure is a lot of empty parking spots here at work today. Must've had a bunch of gays pop a vein in their foreheads last night. heh

35 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:30:35pm

re: #25 Shay4l

Won't matter. Gay advantage fanatics will never vote R

Hmm. Gay Advantage Fanatics For Embellishment.

GAFFE.

Sounds like Joe Biden to me.

36 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:30:50pm

re: #25 Shay4l

Won't matter. Gay advantage fanatics will never vote R

Oh I know, but the Code Pinkie in my office was on the phone all day with fiends. . .um friends!

37 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:30:51pm

re: #33 twincitiesgirl

Heck, I can tell you the precise place and time when happened. That would be the day of his "race speech" in Philly.

38 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:31:08pm

re: #23 BBev

She slapped him around like he was her bitch. with every answer he gave it looked like is was all she could do not to laugh in his face and slammed his own words back at him and all the lies he has told, so how can they even think he won.

Beats me. I have not watched the whole thing but I saw snippets and read most of the transcripts. Oddly enough, my daughter the political junkie felt Sarah was not all that good -- she focused on a lot of missed opportunities for comebacks and catching Biden's lies. I thought Sarah did fine and got better as the debate went on.

39 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:31:51pm

Both TIME and Newsweek are mass-mailed publications that are 100% democrat publications. (sitting in mechanics garage and a doctors office near you.)


complain when you can.

40 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:32:21pm

re: #18 Athos

Ya think the MSM might have an agenda at play here?

Of course they do. As Hannity says, "2008, the year journalism died".

Years ago (Bush I re-election campaign), my husband was photographing an event where President GHB was speaking - it was a large manufacturing plant in So. California. Hubby said the hall was filled with people, response was terrific, everyone cheering, lots and lots of applause and standing ovations. Hubby (not a political buff AT ALL), said it was a rousing speech. News depts were there covering so we watched news that night to see the speech.

What was shown on TV was NO crowd reactions, NO view of the crowd - it looked like he was speaking in front of a dozen or so - and they parsed his speech to such an extent that he looked like a bored has-been. Then they switched to coverage of a Clinton event and everywhere there were cheering crowds!

So Journalism died long before 2008, it's just never been so transparent and all encompassing.

41 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:32:24pm

re: #10 MJBrutus

For my entire life, I never really believed that it could happen here. I was acquainted with Stalin and Orwell's novels, but I never thought that I could actually see it happen here before my eyes in the US of A.

It is happening here because we were complacent, for the most part. We over-indulges, and believed that could not happen here. Whitaker Chambers called it back in the 30s when he said that the media was in the pocket for the Stalinists. Academia absorbed the pseudo-intelligentsia -- changing the system from within. Entertainment was always populated by irrational, touch-feely, liberal whiners and hand wringers ... Guilty Caucasian types from the Perenially Persecuted Complexed Jewish and Jesusless Christian tribes. It was the slow boil and the lobsters did not know they were being cooked until it was too late. If we are going to change things, if we are going to deny these anti-life scumbags a final victory, then I am afraid the gloves must come off. But how many of here are truly willing and able to go that distance and play full out? It is true we are the keepers of the flame of the Constitution, especially the 1st and 2nd Amendments -- is that time coming?

//rant

42 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:32:33pm

So- Shabbat awaits

Lizards, B'Lila Tov-

Back at you after Sabbath.

Heart ya one and all!

43 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:32:46pm

Biden's numerous Gaffes get a pass, his lies get a pass. We have an incredibly unprofessional biased in-the-tank media.

44 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:33:35pm

re: #42 DisturbedEma

So- Shabbat awaits

Lizards, B'Lila Tov-

Back at you after Sabbath.

Heart ya one and all!

Shabbat Shalom, Ema

45 sngnsgt  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:33:36pm

Joe had that "deer in the headlights" look. Joe mis-underestimated Sarah Palin's grasp of the issues. I think Joe walked in there thinking she was going to be a pushover.

46 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:33:36pm

re: #29 CyanSnowHawk

They seem to think that impeached means thrown out of office.

I had to explain that to a co-worker awhile back. He just looked at me with a dumb look on his face.

47 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:34:04pm

see - I'm black again.
I guess I have to re-type e-mail at the beginning of each new topic.
-gotta remember that---

48 DisturbedEma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:34:15pm

Todah, Rabah- Moe

Shabbat Shalom

49 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:34:20pm

by ant means possible.
BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE!
BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE!

/it's a Mao thing.

50 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:35:31pm

History is what we say it is.

/MSM

51 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:35:36pm

re: #37 MJBrutus

Is this the one?

A More Perfect Union

If so, could you summarize it--my stomach isn't that strong and my gag reflect is weak...

52 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:35:42pm

Is it beer-thirty yet?

53 BBev  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:35:51pm

re: #38 doppelganglander

Beats me. I have not watched the whole thing but I saw snippets and read most of the transcripts. Oddly enough, my daughter the political junkie felt Sarah was not all that good -- she focused on a lot of missed opportunities for comebacks and catching Biden's lies. I thought Sarah did fine and got better as the debate went on.

She answered many of the questions the way I would have

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:36:01pm

Is TFK in the room?

55 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:36:17pm

re: #3 BBev

Were they watching the same debate?

The liberal filter is a thing to behold.

56 Salem  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:36:24pm

There will be a revolt against the left and their media attack-maggots. If Obomba wins, I predict an almost immediate surge of buyers-remorse, particularly since I don't think that could happen without the unprecedented level of voter-fraud that we are witnessing a cross-section of in Ohio.

57 Charles  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:37:10pm

Here's AP's idea of "fact checking" the debate:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

No mention of any of the lies pointed out here.

58 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:37:58pm

re: #41 Gang of One

Your remarks are well taken, except I would like some clarification on the "anti-life scumbag" bit. Just so you know, I am an atheist and would like to see laws that allow a woman to choose abortion, at least through the early months of a pregnancy. I think that the Roe decision was a terrible one and find our Constitution supports neither a "pro-life" or "pro-choice" position.

59 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:38:13pm

re: #47 FrogMarch

see - I'm black again.
I guess I have to re-type e-mail at the beginning of each new topic.
-gotta remember that---

No just click show e-mail box to the right,mine works.

60 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:38:28pm

re: #57 Charles

Here's AP's idea of "fact checking" the debate:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

No mention of any of the lies pointed out here.

Once again- the AP folks prove they are unprofessional and corrupt.

61 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:15pm

re: #52 Alaska Kim

Is it beer-thirty yet?

Has been for a few hours now, what are you waiting on?

62 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:20pm

re: #57 Charles

FactCheck.org wasn't much better. They cite some of Biden's lies about McCain's voting record and place it on par with Sarah being off by a few thousand soldiers deployed in Iraq.

63 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:44pm

re: #59 x-wing

No just click show e-mail box to the right,mine works.

I see how it works. I just have to remember to type it in again... and again...
/not complaining.. just happy to be here. :-)

64 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:45pm

re: #32 BBev

And John f'n Kerry was in Vietnam did you now that?

sarc/

No way - he was stationed in Cambodia - google it.

65 spidly  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:46pm

debate win for Biden?
yeah, that really boosts the cred of the MSM.

YOU ARE NOT SEEING THIS!

66 SumGi  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:57pm

Apologies for going off topic, especially if this has been covered,
but I think it would send a strong message to Hollywood if we got
everyone we know to go out and see the movie American Carol and try to run up their Box Office Gross.

67 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:39:57pm

Oh good, the rape kit lie is still there way down at the bottom of that "article." I was afraid that one was even too stupid for lefties. I'm glad to see that nothing is.

Obama voters give idiots a bad name.

68 BBev  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:40:03pm

re: #61 x-wing

Has been for a few hours now, what are you waiting on?

It's 10 am some place, :-)

69 grahamski  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:40:18pm

Not exactly a lie, but when Biden mentioned that his Son was going to Iraq, he failed to mention that it was as a trial lawyer.

70 Captkirk35  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:40:31pm

Here's the question McCain can ask in the next debate that will win him the election:


“I think we can all agree that it’s the small business man and women who represents the heart and soul of the American economy. It’s on their shoulders, far away from the trader floor on Wall Street, or the corporate board rooms, that future job growth will largely occur. When Senator Obama speaks of ‘only raising taxes on the wealthy’, or those making two-hundred and Fifty Thousand dollars a year or more, understand that a large number of these small businesses fall under this umbrella, will see their taxes rise, and the prospect of forging ahead made more challenging with an additional burden of their hard-earned income sent to Washington. Senator, Obama, please tell us how your economic plan, which you characterize as taxing the rich only, will make the lives better of these small business men and women, and how this plan will make our economy stronger?”

71 Adina in Judea  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:41:06pm

OT: Well, I'm officially registered to vote as an Orthodox Jewish Republican in North Carolina as of a few days ago. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Israel, but I had to change my U.S. residency due to my job in North Carolina (which I will be doing in Israel after my initial time onsite in Research Triangle Park in Raleigh, North Carolina.) Long story.

So I will be voting for McCain/Palin in North Carolina instead of California.

It's a much better use of my vote, I think.

I'll be in North Carolina until a couple of months after the election. Then I will return to Judea, Israel to do my North Carolina job remotely.

Shabbat Shalom!

72 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:41:08pm

re: #61 x-wing

Has been for a few hours now, what are you waiting on?

I don't know where you're at, but in AK, it's only 2:40.

73 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:41:28pm

re: #57 Charles

No mention of any of the lies pointed out here.


According the AP, it seems as if those lies never happened or took place. That's their first cut at recording history as they want it to be. No bias there. /sarc

74 RTLM  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:41:32pm

/"Just slogging the way through the jungles of misinformation with a dull, bone handled mah-SHEH-tay"

-John Gibson

75 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:41:46pm

Here's a good gift for the MSM journalist in your life.

76 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:42:17pm

Perhaps we need a list compiled and published (of course, the method of publishing is critical -- maximum exposure across the electorate, which is hard to get if you're not the MSM.)

On one side, selected statements by the MSM's Obamatons. On the other, the facts, with links.

My (metaphorical) image of it is something like the dread smoking memo, presenting the two sides in crystal clarity. I don't know if that kind of impact is achievable or not in this case.

77 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:43:12pm

re: #72 Alaska Kim

I don't know where you're at, but in AK, it's only 2:40.

So.....10 minutes past beer-thirty?

78 spidly  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:43:17pm

re: #76 pre-Boomer Marine brat

throbbing memo

79 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:43:52pm

re: #75 Ringo the Gringo

Here's a good gift for the MSM journalist in your life.

LOL, Although I would prefer to give them, properly, a cluebat.

80 Tarkloon  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:43:56pm

Sarah Palin: Poorer than Joe Biden, but more Charitable.

Sen. Biden and his wife, Jill, reported $320,000 in adjusted gross income last year. Their tax returns, released earlier this year, were notable for how little they gave to charity: $995, or less than 1% of their income.

The Palins gave $4,880 to charity in 2006 and $3,325 last year, including items donated to the Salvation Army.

Sarah Palin is the breadwinner of the family, the documents show. Last year as Alaska governor she reported $122,000 in the "Medicare wages" field of her W-2 form, while Todd Palin earned $46,600 as an employee of BP Exploration Alaska Inc. The couple reported payments of $3,308 from the Alaska Permanent Fund, a dividend that every citizen of the state receives from oil revenues.

81 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:43:59pm

re: #68 BBev

It's 10 am some place, :-)

Glad I'm not there ;>}

82 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:44:28pm

re: #72 Alaska Kim

I don't know where you're at, but in AK, it's only 2:40 1967.


(sorry ,,,that was cheap and gratuitous ,, but funny ! )

83 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:45:01pm

re: #77 Russkilitlover

So.....10 minutes past beer-thirty?

I have a six-pack of Corona and some lime waiting in the fridge. Supposed to get chilly tonite... I think I'll fire up the woodstove and enjoy a beer.

84 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:45:10pm

re: #51 twincitiesgirl

I've watched all I can stand--Man what a blowhard. He's been praising Jeremiah Wright the last few minutes and I can't take any more.

85 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:45:41pm

re: #72 Alaska Kim

I don't know where you're at, but in AK, it's only 2:40.

I live in Pa. but heck 2:40 sounds close enough ;>}

86 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:45:45pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

(sorry ,,,that was cheap and gratuitous ,, but funny ! )

1967?

87 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:46:27pm

re: #78 spidly

throbbing memo

PMIF
PIMP
POOP
/where's my brain, I saw it around here earlier? ... HA! ... PIMF!

88 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:47:04pm

re: #83 Alaska Kim

I have a six-pack of Corona and some lime waiting in the fridge. Supposed to get chilly tonite... I think I'll fire up the woodstove and enjoy a beer.

I would you describe chilly? 65 deg?

89 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:47:14pm

Krauthammer on Fox All-Stars is on top of all Biden's lies and mistakes, but he's still down on Palin because he feels she didn't know enough to catch his errors.

90 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:47:50pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

(sorry ,,,that was cheap and gratuitous ,, but funny ! )

Ohhhh-hooo-hoo.

91 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:47:51pm

Happy Saturday night all. At first I thought Biden's leering at Palin all night indicated a Clinton-like misogynistic mentality. Now I think it was a Cheshire Cat smile, knowing the fix is in and it's working. He could say anything he wanted because he knows the media won't call him on it. He knows the messiah aura is protecting him from scrutiny. I'd be smilin' too.

92 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:48:14pm

re: #51 twincitiesgirl

That's the one. The one where he throws Granny under the bus to keep uncle Jerry in coach. I will never forget that gushing praise for this ridiculous "dialog on race." That was undoubtedly the day that journalism joined the choir invisible.

93 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:48:24pm

re: #58 MJBrutus

Your remarks are well taken, except I would like some clarification on the "anti-life scumbag" bit. Just so you know, I am an atheist and would like to see laws that allow a woman to choose abortion, at least through the early months of a pregnancy. I think that the Roe decision was a terrible one and find our Constitution supports neither a "pro-life" or "pro-choice" position.

Fair enough Brutus. Being atheist does not automatically mean you are anti-life, just as being a so-called Christian, Jew or Muslim makes you pro-life by default. I personally believe abortion is is anti-life and I sometimes have to wonder if the death penalty is altogether just -- is it justice or vengeance? But I say anti-life when perhaps I should say anti-truth. The forces on the Left hate this country, and I believe they hate life because they hate the idea of a Creator. they hate the idea that there is something supernal to them. You say you are an atheist, but does that mean you consider yourself the highest form of life in the universe, or does that mean you have not come to terms with a concept of deity and a system for approaching the divine? The people I rail against deny anything that may indicate that there may be a higher authority, that there may something else beside their inflated sense of ego.

Not sure that clarifies anything, but your point is well taken regarding 'anti-life' as descriptor.

94 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:48:25pm

re: #88 debutaunt

I would you describe chilly? 65 deg?

no! I'm in shorts in 65 degrees! Chilly to me is when my truck door is frozen shut.

95 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:48:28pm

I can't imagine Time or any other MSM rag coming out with an article like, "Why Some Black People Hate Obama." As it is, they tiptoe softly around issues of rivalry between blacks and Hispanics.

96 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:49:41pm

Pimf - Happy Friday Night!
/idiot

97 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:49:45pm

re: #91 MacGregor

Happy Saturday night all. At first I thought Biden's leering at Palin all night indicated a Clinton-like misogynistic mentality. Now I think it was a Cheshire Cat smile, knowing the fix is in and it's working. He could say anything he wanted because he knows the media won't call him on it. He knows the messiah aura is protecting him from scrutiny. I'd be smilin' too.

His big toothy smile followed in a fraction of a second by a truly scary glare kind of unsettled me.

98 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:49:46pm

re: #69 grahamski

Not exactly a lie, but when Biden mentioned that his Son was going to Iraq, he failed to mention that it was as a trial lawyer.

Still, no one in the US military is ABSOLUTELY safe in Iraq, wouldn't you agree? There's got to be some degree of risk exposure....

99 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:50:06pm

There is none so blind,...

100 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:50:28pm

re: #83 Alaska Kim

I have a six-pack of Corona and some lime waiting in the fridge. Supposed to get chilly tonite... I think I'll fire up the woodstove and enjoy a beer.

Juanita Six-Pack.

101 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:50:47pm

re: #98 Moe Katz

Still, no one in the US military is ABSOLUTELY safe in Iraq, wouldn't you agree? There's got to be some degree of risk exposure....

Those deadly paper cuts!

102 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:50:51pm

re: #96 MacGregor

Pimf - Happy Friday Night!
/idiot

LOL
whats going on?

103 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:50:57pm

re: #101 MandyManners

Those deadly paper cuts!

*whack*

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:51:27pm

re: #96 MacGregor

Pimf - Happy Friday Night!
/idiot

Hey, keep this "future" thing going until Monday/Tuesday, then come back and make a killing in the stock market.

105 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:51:59pm

re: #92 MJBrutus

Every time I watch him I'm amazed at his arrogance and smug self-righteousness. Who writes his speeches?

106 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:52:09pm

re: #97 debutaunt

His big toothy smile followed in a fraction of a second by a truly scary glare kind of unsettled me.

Smiles with lowered brows don't thrill me either.

107 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:52:20pm

re: #93 Gang of One

Thank you for a thoughtful answer. I do consider us to be the only intelligent life that we know of. So yes, in a sense we are the "highest form of life in the universe," that we know of. I don't know if that is a compliment to humanity or an insult to the universe :-)

If you would ask me if I believe in something larger than myself (and I wish you would :-), I would tell you that my country and the ideals for which it stands certainly are.

108 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:52:43pm

re: #103 MandyManners

*whack*

Was that directed at me? If so, undeserved. For instance, he could be in a military vehicle that's blown up by one of those IUD's, or whatever they're called.

109 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:52:47pm

re: #83 Alaska Kim
with lime

110 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:53:15pm

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey, keep this "future" thing going until Monday/Tuesday, then come back and make a killing in the stock market.

It's the perfect sting brat..Who wants to play paul newman?

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:53:35pm

re: #108 Moe Katz

Was that directed at me? If so, undeserved. For instance, he could be in a military vehicle that's blown up by one of those IUD's, or whatever they're called.

LOL!
/*whack* for myself before Mandy gets to me

112 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:53:56pm

re: #109 willowone

with lime

I can't drink corona without lime.

113 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:54:10pm

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat
102 HoosierHoops

I had the day cleared for jury duty and I was cleared. Worked at home like most Saturdays.

114 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:54:44pm

re: #112 Alaska Kim
delicious. eaten with nachos!

115 Fredlike  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:55:03pm

re: #80 Tarkloon

In '06 Todd made more money than Palin. Gov. pays a lot better than mayor. Todd probably also had to take more time off last year '07 so he could not get in as much work time. VP pays better than Gov. so the Palins should be getting a raise next year.

116 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:55:14pm

re: #114 willowone

delicious. eaten with nachos!

or beer-battered halibut!

117 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:55:50pm

re: #98 Moe Katz

Still, no one in the US military is ABSOLUTELY safe in Iraq, wouldn't you agree? There's got to be some degree of risk exposure....

O.K. don't kill me. Bidens' son, heading to Iraq is a Judge Advocates General Officer. His acromyn is J.A.G Off.

////

118 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:56:11pm

re: #116 Alaska Kim
lovely, i'm coming over. Although we'll need duct tape for the keeds.

119 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:56:37pm

re: #115 Fredlike

In
'06 Todd made more money than Palin. Gov. pays a lot better than mayor.
Todd probably also had to take more time off last year '07 so he could
not get in as much work time. VP pays better than Gov. so the Palins
should be getting a raise next year.

There was an article in the adn.com (Anchorage Daily News) a few days ago about Todd and Sarah being worth about 1.2 million.

120 Moe Katz  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:56:41pm

re: #117 x-wing

O.K. don't kill me. Bidens' son, heading to Iraq is a Judge Advocates General Officer. His acromyn is J.A.G Off.

////

LOL!

121 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:17pm

re: #112 Alaska Kim

I can't drink corona without lime.


Although the whole about getting a shot of tequila with every beer in Mexico has a certain appeal and has resulted in times that were too much fun...

122 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:23pm
123 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:32pm

re: #91 MacGregor

Happy Saturday night all. At first I thought Biden's leering at Palin all night indicated a Clinton-like misogynistic mentality. Now I think it was a Cheshire Cat smile, knowing the fix is in and it's working. He could say anything he wanted because he knows the media won't call him on it. He knows the messiah aura is protecting him from scrutiny. I'd be smilin' too.

"It's Saturday Night!" said Deafdog to himself. "I haven't missed it. The Spirits have done it all in one night. They can do anything they like. Of course they can. Of course they can. Hallo, my fine fellow!"

....Isn't it still Friday?

124 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:33pm

chip off the ole block.

125 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:53pm

re: #118 willowone

lovely, i'm coming over. Although we'll need duct tape for the keeds.

My keed is 19 years old!

126 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:53pm

re: #79 Athos

LOL, Although I would prefer to give them, properly, a cluebat.

As if anyone in the MSM would know what to do with a clue-bat.... (yes I know, I just couldn't resist the obvious)

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:57pm

re: #113 MacGregor

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat
102 HoosierHoops

I had the day cleared for jury duty and I was cleared. Worked at home like most Saturdays.

Lucky you.

/said with a whisper, because Dallas County positively MILKS those of us who show up

128 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:57:57pm

This link might have been posted earlier, but in case it wasn't - Gateway Pundit at St. Louis rally and debate.

What is most interesting are the photos of the media section and the Obama campaign section. The Obama team must have been busy working with the AP on minimizing the Biden lies......

129 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:58:50pm

re: #83 Alaska Kim

I have a six-pack of Corona and some lime waiting in the fridge. Supposed to get chilly tonite... I think I'll fire up the woodstove and enjoy a beer.

I have an unopened bottle of Grey Goose and some apple-tini mix. We're in for chilly one tonight, too. Should get down to 61 and only high of 67 tomorrow! Time to drag out the sweaters.

130 snowcrash  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:58:53pm

re: #117 x-wing
Is that true? Bidens son is a lawyer and a JAG officer?

131 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:58:55pm

re: #124 vagabond trader

reply to #117, just so no one thinks I'm talking to myself. Which I usually am.

132 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:58:58pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

And the world did not collapse from an honest, straightforward answer, did it?

i admired her straight forward answer too.
and only after she answered, did biden chime in and get on board w/ a decisive statement.
(it was kind of like the "i have a bracelet too" moment we got from obama.)

sarah is so refreshing and honest. she didn't engage in any bs double talk or avoidance of giving her real opinions.
biden was just a tired old husk who spouted nothing but noise.

133 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:58:59pm

re: #126 doriangrey

As if anyone in the MSM would know what to do with a clue-bat.... (yes I know, I just couldn't resist the obvious)

The key is in the 'delivery' of the cluebat to them, heh, heh.

134 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:59:47pm

re: #103 MandyManners

Speaking of Iraq, AP has just endorsed the cornerstone of the Bush admin foreign policy:

Analysis: Stable Iraq could influence Mideast

Gee, d'ya think?

BAGHDAD - As violence in Iraq recedes, neighboring states are pondering how to deal with an unwieldy country that could re-emerge as a key player along with Saudi Arabia and Iran in one of the world's most strategic regions.

Still, countries of the Middle East cannot ignore the potential role of a resurgent Iraq, a nation of 28 million people, bordering Iran to the east, Syria and Jordan to the west and sitting on one of the world's major pools of oil.

For those reasons, the United States cannot afford to lose focus on Iraq, which will remain a strategic and important country even after the last of the 140,000 American soldiers have gone home.

Iraq is likely to play a significant role in America's Middle East policy for decades — even as the Pentagon scales down military operations here and ramps them up in Afghanistan.

Wow. Break out your very best flying pig folks...

135 JustAHouseWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 3:59:50pm

There's another mistake I think Biden made.
He said Article 1 of the Constitution was all about the VP and the Executive Branch of government. ("And I want everyone to understand that!" he yelled) That's not true either, is it? Article 1 of the Constitution deals with the Legislative Branch of the government doesn't it? He said this during his rant about Dick Chaney being dangerous.

Charles,
Tech problem. this script: Script: **[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] jams up my computer every day. Warning window says "unresponsive script" every day. (I have a Mac and I am using latest version of firefox) Is it me?

136 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:00:00pm

re: #129 Russkilitlover

I have an unopened bottle of Grey Goose and
some apple-tini mix. We're in for chilly one tonight, too. Should get
down to 61 and only high of 67 tomorrow! Time to drag out the sweaters.

You kill me! When it is 61 here at night in the summer, I can't sleep. It's too hot.

137 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:00:23pm
138 Fredlike  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:00:49pm

re: #119 Alaska Kim

There was an article in the adn.com (Anchorage Daily News) a few days ago about Todd and Sarah being worth about 1.2 million.

They didn't report a lot of non work income, it is possible their house is worth a sizable amount of money with the growth in Wasilla. They had around $10,000 in interest deductions which implies a loan of $100,00 to $150,000 depending on the interest rate. Or it could be they just took the high end of all the items on the disclosure forms. (note values from memory could be off a bit)

139 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:00:51pm

re: #128 Athos


PIMF: rally after the debate

140 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:00:51pm

re: #108 Moe Katz

Was that directed at me? If so, undeserved. For instance, he could be in a military vehicle that's blown up by one of those IUD's, or whatever they're called.

Nope. At myself.

141 Russkilitlover  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:00:55pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Although the whole about getting a shot of tequila with every beer in Mexico has a certain appeal and has resulted in times that were too much fun...

Keep the beer and bring on the shooters......lick, sprinkle salt, lick, knock back tequila, suck lime! I think I've had good times with that......but I can't really remember.

142 MandyManners  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:01:04pm

bbiab

143 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:01:29pm

someone above had an idea i thought was excellant, can we compile all this information
Lies and msm
Lies msm and election
Lies msm and war
Lies msm and Left
easy to read lists with back-up that are succinct and pointed
send it to all friendly sites and newstations?

144 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:01:34pm

re: #135 JustAHouseWife

Charles,
Tech problem. this script: Script: **[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] jams up my computer every day. Warning window says "unresponsive script" every day. (I have a Mac and I am using latest version of firefox) Is it me?

I occasionally get that one too. A reboot makes it go away.

145 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:01:45pm

There is evil in this world. The Marxist media propaganda machine, their enablers in government and their army of dupes posing a journalists may well succeed in turning this Presidential election. If so, the Fairness Doctrine is a probability. We might not be having this discussion four years from now. Somebody is trying to usurp our freedom and its pissing me off, and it should anyone who is paying attention.

146 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:01:55pm

CBSnews.com - contact form from link at the bottom of the page.

147 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:02:07pm

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Lucky you.

/said with a whisper, because Dallas County positively MILKS those of us who show up

Same in Connecticut. We can check a web page to see if we're needed the night before. We used to have to show up to be told.

148 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:02:32pm

re: #138 Fredlike

They
didn't report a lot of non work income, it is possible their house is
worth a sizable amount of money with the growth in Wasilla. They had
around $10,000 in interest deductions which implies a loan of $100,00
to $150,000 depending on the interest rate. Or it could be they just
took the high end of all the items on the disclosure forms. (note
values from memory could be off a bit)

Yeah, their house is worth somewhere around $500k. Which kind of surprised me that it was only worth that much. Their house is right on a lake, and lakefront property here isn't cheap.

149 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:02:34pm

re: #107 MJBrutus

Thank you for a thoughtful answer. I do consider us to be the only intelligent life that we know of. So yes, in a sense we are the "highest form of life in the universe," that we know of. I don't know if that is a compliment to humanity or an insult to the universe :-)

If you would ask me if I believe in something larger than myself (and I wish you would :-), I would tell you that my country and the ideals for which it stands certainly are.

Actually, I kinda sorta did ask, and you responded! This country, our country certainly represent ideals that are larger than ourselves, and you believe that, so I am inclined to take your answer to be not only honest, but on the path to realization that there is something indeed larger than ourselves. It is striking and fascinating to me nonetheless that while you claim to be an atheist, you elevate the ideal of our nation's core. I am sure I need not remind you that our nation was founded on principals wholly cut from Deist cloth. Perhaps you are not so much the atheist you think you are? :>)

150 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:02:51pm

Hmm...
Your text to link...How do I contact ABCNews.com?

151 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:02:51pm

re: #125 Alaska Kim

i have a couple that age and a couple slightly younger, still needing help to behave when not sleeping.

152 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:03:52pm

Gov. Palin's husband is also very good looking in a hunky kind of way, if you like that sort of thing, you know what I mean, um but I barely noticed.....

153 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:04:18pm

re: #129 Russkilitlover

I have an unopened bottle of Grey Goose and some apple-tini mix. We're in for chilly one tonight, too. Should get down to 61 and only high of 67 tomorrow! Time to drag out the sweaters.

Turned on the heat yesterday...Now how does it go? I can buy carbon credits from Al Gore or does he buy them from me? I can never remember that part of the energy plan..Personally if we could slow down global warming by half..I would be happy.. We could use the xtra 50% to warm it up here in the winter..
There is something to be said for winter golf...
/

154 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:04:19pm

re: #151 willowone

i have a couple that age and a couple slightly younger, still needing help to behave when not sleeping.

that's what Benadryl is for!................................kidding!

155 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:04:32pm

OT:

Much is made of the fact that Palin is Governor of a state with a little over 600,000 people. Her position actually requires executive decision-making.
Biden is Senator of a state with a population of less than 800,000. What's the most pressing decision he must make, ham and eggs or pancakes in the morning?
We all know that as goes Delaware so goes the nation.

156 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:05:14pm

re: #152 twincitiesgirl

my husband really adores Sara, he asked if i minded, I said not at all as i think Todd is a dream husband.

157 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:05:25pm

re: #154 Alaska Kim
hehe.

158 runrabbitrun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:05:52pm

re: #105 twincitiesgirl

Every time I watch him I'm amazed at his arrogance and smug self-righteousness. Who writes his speeches?

Every time I hear him speak I wonder how anyone with a radical far left activist past like Obama gets a pass, not just to flip-flop on a few positions, but to rhetorically present himself as a moderate Republican, and nobody - left or right - ever, ever calls him on it.

159 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:06:00pm
160 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:06:17pm

re: #149 Gang of One

I am sure I need not remind you that our nation was founded on principals wholly cut from Deist cloth. Perhaps you are not so much the atheist you think you are? :>)

LOL. In my opinion, the government we rebelled against was the embodiment of government based on deistic ideals. I believe that the thinkers of the enlightenment as implemented by our founders have transformed Christianity, for one, more than many Christians I have had this discussion with would like to admit.

161 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:06:42pm

Palin says Obama unqualified to be president.

Link

162 JustAHouseWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:07:00pm

re: #144 guzziguy

Thanks, I know about the reboot, but that's the problem. Sometimes I even have to force quit Firefox. I get the same frustrated feeling as I get thinking about the MSM and the Left right now!. ;)

163 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:07:13pm

re: #152 twincitiesgirl

Careful girl, Sarah's a pretty good shot.

164 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:07:14pm

Of all the bizarre comments made by Mr. Biden, the French/American/Nato defeating Hezbollah in Lebennon was the most wacked.

Not one of the post debate wrap-up have covered it.

The guy could have said anything.

165 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:07:18pm

re: #141 Russkilitlover

Keep the beer and bring on the shooters......lick, sprinkle salt, lick, knock back tequila, suck lime! I think I've had good times with that......but I can't really remember.

Why ruin good Tequila with salt and lime......
Four fingers in a water glass, neat, a pack of Camel non-filters, some blues to listen to.......you'll remember some of it if you savor each sip.
But then again, I went way over my allowed quota years ago.

166 Racer X  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:08:01pm

re: #57 Charles

From the link - is this statement factual?

PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control.

167 spidly  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:08:12pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

Turned on the heat yesterday...Now how does it go? I can buy carbon credits from Al Gore or does he buy them from me? I can never remember that part of the energy plan..Personally if we could slow down global warming by half..I would be happy.. We could use the xtra 50% to warm it up here in the winter..
There is something to be said for winter golf...
/

jimmah says put on a sweater
but don't worry because the goracle says the hockey stick is true

Hockey Stick September 16, 2008 : 8:29 PM
Contrary to what the skeptics and deniers will tell you, the Hockey Stick graph, similar to the one I featured in "An Inconvenient Truth", is proving to be completely true.

YOU ARE NOT BEING COLD!

168 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:08:24pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin'

He became disqualified by me when he insulted our flag and refused to leave the cult of Jerry Wright.

169 sparrowlake  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:08:27pm

re: #126 doriangrey

As if anyone in the MSM would know what to do with a clue-bat.... (yes I know, I just couldn't resist the obvious)

Fire away!

170 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:08:28pm

re: #165 IslandLibertarian


Keep
the beer and bring on the shooters......lick, sprinkle salt, lick,
knock back tequila, suck lime! I think I've had good times with
that......but I can't really remember.

Why ruin good Tequila with salt and lime......
Four
fingers in a water glass, neat, a pack of Camel non-filters, some blues
to listen to.......you'll remember some of it if you savor each sip.
But then again, I went way over my allowed quota years ago.

Too many tequila shots for me and I have to sleep with one foot on the floor!

171 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:08:28pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin'
Palin...Some of his comments that he has made about the war that I think may in my world disqualifies someone from consideration as the next commander in chief.” Palin said, “Some of his comments about Afghanistan and what we are doing there supposedly– just air raiding villages and killing civilians. That’s reckless.

in my mind she's right

172 Kenneth  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:09:18pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin'

Yes. Say it Sarah!

173 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:09:34pm

Biden is an idiot. He is just the kind of hack we need to get out of Congress. There are so many of them, I hope enough folks with brains actually go out and vote, so many people think their vote does not make a difference.

174 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:09:39pm

re: #170 Alaska Kim heck, i'd join my foot on that floor.

175 runrabbitrun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:10:14pm

re: #161 Perplexed

Palin says Obama unqualified to be president.

Link

ok, Johnny Mac might have let his attack dog off the leash

=)

176 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:10:23pm

re: #156 willowone

re: #128 Athos

I was responding to the link in post 128 with the photos of the after debate party but forgot to hit the reply so I just sounded a little crazy.

/not the first time

177 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:11:43pm

re: #170 Alaska Kim

Too many tequila shots for me and I have to sleep with one foot on the floor!

Ear plugs will solve that problem... (no that's not a joke).....

178 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:11:54pm

From the Time article above:

Women are weapons-grade haters. Hillary Clinton knows it. Palin knows it too. When women get their hate on, they don't just dislike, or find disfavor with, or sort of not really appreciate. They loathe - deeply, richly, sustainingly...

Now what is the use of writing like this? Does it do any good? Is it Christian? Or is it even good in a general sense? Does it encourage us to be any better? Where would writing like this come from, as a source? What kind of a world does it want? Where would we be if writing like this was the only writing? Is it telling the truth?

IMHO this is the adversary speaking

This is a stark election

Sarah Palin carries Trig to term
0bama says "punished by a baby"

Who is chosing life here?

Portae Inferi Non Praevalebunt

179 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:12:13pm

re: #177 doriangrey

Ear plugs will solve that problem... (no that's not a joke).....

seriously? i've never heard that before.

180 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:12:18pm

re: #149 Gang of One

Your shallow stereotypical beliefs about atheists are showing.

/Do tell me again how I can become a more perfect American if I only give my heart to < insert name of deity here >. I can't get enough of that.

181 Outrider  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:12:32pm

re: #27 Perplexed

Hmmm, reading some books on the Civil War, the press was considerably more vicious than it is today. Freedom without responsibility is anarchy and the press needs to be held accountable with what gets published.

I believe we will see that. I think this is the medias last shot at relevancy in an Internet world.

Unfortunately we will still need reporters (not journalists), as bloggers with the exception of a few, can only report what they find on the wires services.

182 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:12:50pm

re: #162 JustAHouseWife

It may be firefox 3. We just got a brand new pc and I'm having a helluva time with error messages, slow loading pages, etc.Worse than the old pc, which had the earlier ff version.

183 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:13:07pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin'

Headline at Drudge

PALIN: OBAMA COMMENTS DISQUALIFY HIM FOR COMMANDER IN CHIEF

her son is in iraq. she will have many sleepless nights if that unqualified fool becomes commander in chief.

184 Fredlike  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:13:23pm

Ran the public disclosure numbers from the McCain web site. Assuming no stupid copying or adding errors, $1,010,000 to $2,400,000. So the papers estimate of $1.25 million sounds in the ballpark. House was $500,000 to $1,000,000

185 winston06  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:13:37pm

shame on MSM

186 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:13:46pm

re: #179 Alaska Kim

seriously? i've never heard that before.

Yup, discovered that on accident... But it does work... Something to do with equalizing the pressure in your ears I suspect.

187 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:14:32pm

Anyone going to see this movie? It is supposed to open tonight, a spoof on A Christmas Carol, with Chris Farley's brother playing Michael Moore, who is the Scrooge character in the movie. Zucker will not screen it because he said it would get killed, it is a comedy for conservatives.

188 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:14:33pm

re: #71 Adina in Judea

OT: Well, I'm officially registered to vote as an Orthodox Jewish Republican in North Carolina as of a few days ago. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Israel

So how does it feel to have citizenship in the two most-hated countries on earth? You'd have a higher likeability factor if the countries were North Korea and Iran. :(

189 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:15:00pm

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]
Sorry, forgot the link

190 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:15:20pm

re: #180 CyanSnowHawk

Lighten up a bit, please. I get the impression that he has encountered too few reasonable atheists to be able to reconcile how Atheism and decency and coexist. Let's face it, the loudest of us atheists (e.g. Neudow and so many others) cannot be described as such. I hope that I can help him see how it's possible. All in all, I take GOO as a sincere person.

191 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:15:33pm

re: #187 CapeCoddah

Anyone going to see this movie? It is supposed to open tonight, a
spoof on A Christmas Carol, with Chris Farley's brother playing Michael
Moore, who is the Scrooge character in the movie. Zucker will not
screen it because he said it would get killed, it is a comedy for
conservatives.

I think Bill O'Reilly is in that. Just for a minute though. He was talking about it on the Factor the other night.

192 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:15:42pm

The fix is in, but it doesn't really need to be anymore. Republicans don't want to fight to win elections. They just want to act genteel, get depressed when the other side doesn't play it genteel, and simply do nothing when the press lies, their opponents lie, and they start having to go along with the big lies because they spent so long not countering them.

Screw the Republican party. I didn't give them a cent this year. Why should I let them waste my money when I know they don't fight to win anything? Why should I give money to the political equivalent of battered housewives or abused puppies, who only roll over and lick the hands of the media and Dems who just kick them some more?

It's one thing to say, "I wish the Republicans would stop bringing swords to a gunfight," but really if they showed up with swords, knives, letter-openers, or even sporks it would be an improvement. This year they've shown up for the election season withn nothing but limp dicks in their hands. For the party that actually endorses Viagra, I've never seen so many limp dicks in my life.

They deserve to lose this year. Actually, they deserve to lose every year until they're prepared to fight again. Perhaps the party needs a cleansing. Vote out all the old blood, and keep them out of office till they die off, or dry up and blow away. Then maybe there will be a new generation of Conservatives with fire in their bellies. One can dream.

But I'm through with McCain. Actually, I'm through with all of them. McCain for quitting Michigan. This whole election comes down to winning 2 out of 3 critical swing states (MI, PA, OH), and McCain just pissed one away, giving him no margin for error in PA (all of this is assuming he wins FL, which he may not now). He's toast. Then there's all the better candidates (Giuliani, Romney) who ran such shockingly bad, head-up-their-asses primary campaigns. Really, '08 has been a piss poor year for the GOP, and Obama will successfully blame any of his poor performance in years 1 and 2 on Bush, so forget '10 too. Someone wake me in '12 if our party has found its balls by them.

193 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:16:05pm

re: #170 Alaska Kim

Too many tequila shots for me and I have to sleep with one foot on the floor!

foot on the floor or face on the floor....no big deal....it's who I woke up with that was the scariest part.........

194 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:16:27pm

re: #187 CapeCoddah

Anyone going to see this movie? It is supposed to open tonight, a spoof on A Christmas Carol, with Chris Farley's brother playing Michael Moore, who is the Scrooge character in the movie. Zucker will not screen it because he said it would get killed, it is a comedy for conservatives.

He knows which way the critical winds blow in Hollywood.

195 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:16:31pm
196 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:16:35pm

re: #160 MJBrutus

LOL. In my opinion, the government we rebelled against was the embodiment of government based on deistic ideals. I believe that the thinkers of the enlightenment as implemented by our founders have transformed Christianity, for one, more than many Christians I have had this discussion with would like to admit.

That is an interesting assertion, Brutus. Certainly, there was the presence of the Church, and of some kind of religiosity in the colonization of the Americas and the subsequent governing of those qualities -- jeez, they all invoked God or some other derivative often enough, neh?
But I would disagree that our Founders rebelled against a deity or deistic ideas per se; is Nature's God not mentioned in the very first paragraph and the Creator in second of the Declaration of Independence?

True enough, the Enlightenment paved the way to think about deity in less absolute terms. That era touched the truth whereby we could understand our relationship to a God that was benevolent, benign and of a spirit of liberty, not subjugation.

197 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:17:02pm

re: #189 CapeCoddah

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]
Sorry, forgot the link

Hey Cape..Been busy? You used to post alot more..kindof miss reading your stuff..

198 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:17:50pm

re: #193 IslandLibertarian

foot on the floor or face on the floor....no big deal....it's who I woke up with that was the scariest part.........

that's never happened to me, and I can't even imagine!

199 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:18:18pm

re: #195 Noam Sayin'

I love that wink.

200 Outrider  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:18:32pm

re: #187 CapeCoddah

Anyone going to see this movie? It is supposed to open tonight, a spoof on A Christmas Carol, with Chris Farley's brother playing Michael Moore, who is the Scrooge character in the movie. Zucker will not screen it because he said it would get killed, it is a comedy for conservatives.

It is supposed to be excellent. Farley plays "Michael Moore" character who wants to abolish the 4th of July. So the ghosts visit him, for example Gen Patton slaps the crap out of him. Go.

201 arethusa  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:18:42pm

I think the problem is he's said so many of these things so often (e.g., the cost of Afghanistan relative to Iraq, off by 2000%) that not only Biden may believe them now, but so do those who have heard them often. This is a man with a genius for convincing himself that what he wants to be true is, and his gift is to make it sound convincing to others.

That's not to justify the media. But the very small window for them to catch any of these lies (I still prefer hallucinations, because they're that crazy) is long gone.

202 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:18:46pm

re: #199 Noam Sayin'

She was directing it at you.

203 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:19:09pm

re: #196 Gang of One

That era touched the truth whereby we could understand our relationship to a God that was benevolent, benign and of a spirit of liberty, not subjugation.

Thus allah and islam are neither a god nor a religion in any sense intended by the founding fathers.

204 Racer X  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:19:14pm

re: #192 Lizard by the Bay

Well spoken comrade.

205 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:20:27pm

re: #202 vagabond trader

She was directing it at you.

Yeah, but me and Todd are buds. He knows I wouldn't make a move on her. That's why he doesn't mind her flirting with me.

206 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:20:30pm

re: #192 Lizard by the Bay

Actually, one of today's threads was saying that Palin will be going to Michigan this week. Don't believe that they have actually given up on MI. It was a campaign ruse, IMO

207 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:21:05pm

re: #204 Racer X

Well spoken comrade.

I don't like what's inevitable. But I put the blame squarely where it belongs.

208 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:21:17pm

re: #195 Noam Sayin'

New wallpaper...

Could she be any hotter?

209 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:21:18pm

re: #205 Noam Sayin'

Not what he told me last night over drinks.

210 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #196 Gang of One

I find that feudalism and monarchy are direct consequences of the theology of St Augustine. The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdoms of Earth to mirror it. Certainly Locke and later Jefferson founded their conclusions on the notion that rights come to us from a creator.

I find that one can reach the same conclusion through secular reasoning. The way I get there (in a nutshell) is by noting that when we form a government, we all sacrifice a measure of liberty to gain the advantages of society. Since we all sacrifice an equal measure of our freedom, we are all entitled to an equal measure of justice and standing in that society.

211 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:21:29pm

re: #165 IslandLibertarian


Keep the beer and bring on the shooters......lick, sprinkle salt, lick, knock back tequila, suck lime! I think I've had good times with that......but I can't really remember.

Why ruin good Tequila with salt and lime......
Four fingers in a water glass, neat, a pack of Camel non-filters, some blues to listen to.......you'll remember some of it if you savor each sip.
But then again, I went way over my allowed quota years ago.

I must take offense! Tequila is not ruined with a taste of lime and salt -- how gringo of you! While lime and salt are not required, they do not diminish the tequila experience. Of course, each to his/her own taste. But to imply that lime and salt ruin tequila, thems be fightin' words in my cantina, cabrone ...

Ya gotta do it right, though. wedge of lime, salt on the lime. Sip tequila, bite into the lime. Repeat.

212 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:21:31pm

re: #123 DeafDog

"It's Saturday Night!" said Deafdog to himself. "I haven't missed it. The Spirits have done it all in one night. They can do anything they like. Of course they can. Of course they can. Hallo, my fine fellow!"

....Isn't it still Friday?

Saturday's still on schedule! Hope it's an enjoyable one for ya!

213 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:22:00pm

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Hey Hoosier, My work is crazy in the summer and fall when tourists are about. Lots of big weddings take up a lot of time. I read a lot here, but catching up takes time. All really good stuff, can't miss any. I will have a lot more time starting in early November to chat more. But, I'm around, usually at night.

214 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:22:20pm

re: #208 x-wing

Could she be any hotter?

She could be single, with no kids, and having a glass of wine with me on my porch right now. Other than that, no.

215 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:22:25pm

Ted Nugent is on Glenn Beck's show. If he won't put a liberal's panties in a wad nothing will.

God love him. Best comedy show I've seen lately.

216 spidly  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:22:39pm

re: #188 solomonpanting

So how does it feel to have citizenship in the two most-hated countries on earth? You'd have a higher likeability factor if the countries were North Korea and Iran. :(

think you'd be safe in Paris wearing this?

217 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:22:42pm

re: #211 Gang of One

I
must take offense! Tequila is not ruined with a taste of lime and salt
-- how gringo of you! While lime and salt are not required, they do not
diminish the tequila experience. Of course, each to his/her own taste.
But to imply that lime and salt ruin tequila, thems be fightin' words
in my cantina, cabrone ...

Ya gotta do it right, though. wedge of lime, salt on the lime. Sip tequila, bite into the lime. Repeat.

all that stuff is called training wheels up here.

218 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:22:49pm

re: #207 Lizard by the Bay

I don't like what's inevitable

Isn't that a little fatalistic?

219 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:23:08pm

re: #206 DeafDog

Actually, one of today's threads was saying that Palin will be going to Michigan this week. Don't believe that they have actually given up on MI. It was a campaign ruse, IMO

No, it's another campaign backslide. It's doing the right thing after very publicly doing the wrong thing, and looking hopelessly weak and lost in the process. For more examples, please see "I will stop campaigning and won't debate until this bailout is passed!"

220 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:23:37pm

re: #198 Alaska Kim

that's never happened to me, and I can't even imagine!

then you've never been to Housongs Long Bar and Cantina, Ensanada.........

/

221 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:23:42pm

re: #166 Racer X

From the link - is this statement factual?

S190 Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act

McCain was a co-sponsor along with Sen. Dole and Sununu. Introduced Jan. 26, 2005. Died in committee July 28, 2005. There are claims that McCain did not sign on to co-sponsor until he gave a speech in May 2006 trying to give new life to the bill (which wasn't technically dead - just caught in committee) and try to get it to a floor vote. The date of the speech is in the record, but according to Gov Tracks, when someone signs on / off as a co-sponsor isn't really tracked.

The Committee in 2005 was 20 members, 11 Repub, 9 Democrats. On a straight party vote, I would think that it would have moved to the floor where a fillbuster could have prevented a floor vote - but being "Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably." sounds to me as if it was placed on hold pending amendments by one of the committee members and then just sat in that status until the end of the 109th Congress in December 2006 when it officially died.

Does it really make any difference if McCain was on this in 2005 or 2006? After all 2006 is still before 2008 when it became apparent that reform was needed or that members of a certain party worked to block reform efforts of Fannie and Freddie?

222 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:23:48pm

Okay, I need olives, bacon, and a scooter ride.

BBIAW

223 JustAHouseWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:24:01pm

re: #182 vagabond trader

I just upgraded firefox a few weeks or so ago too. Hmmm.

re: #200 Outrider

Going tomorrow, first to brunch then a good laugh. How weird is it to be able to sit and LOL at MM and the Left in a public place? That's sad!

224 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:24:22pm

Good Evening, Lizard Nation!

New McCain ad: "Tax Cutter"

Good stuff!

225 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:24:35pm

re: #212 MacGregor

phew

226 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:24:56pm

re: #218 twincitiesgirl

Isn't that a little fatalistic?

Only if I'm wrong. If I'm right, it's prescient.

227 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:25:20pm

re: #224 loppyd

Good Evening, Lizard Nation!

New McCain ad: "Tax Cutter"

Good stuff!

Good evening!

228 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:25:38pm

re: #220 IslandLibertarian

then you've never been to Housongs Long Bar and Cantina, Ensanada.........

/

Cough cough... Been there... dodged the parrot shit... Had a great time....

229 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:25:40pm

Hey loppy, good ad!

230 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:26:02pm

re: #216 spidly

think you'd be safe in Paris wearing this?

Several years ago my wife gave my sister, who lives in Denmark, a necklace with a Star of David. My sister's response: "Are you crazy? Are you trying to get me killed?"

231 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:26:20pm

re: #229 CapeCoddah

Hey loppy, good ad!

Fired up for the game tonight?

232 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:26:33pm

re: #187 CapeCoddah

Yes, I will see it, but probably not until mid next week. Schedule too crazy until then. LA Daily News will review in tomorrow's paper. For what it's worth, the Bill Maher crapumentory got only 1 star by the LA Daily News - Maher was called ignorant, arrogant, and unfunny.

233 Alaska Kim  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:26:48pm

Good night y'all. have a nice weekend.

234 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:26:51pm

re: #227 HoosierHoops

Good evening!

Hey there, Hoooooooooooosier Daddy!

235 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:27:02pm

re: #214 Noam Sayin'

She could be single, with no kids, and having a glass of wine with me on my porch right now. Other than that, no.

LOL, true dat.

236 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:27:12pm

re: #190 MJBrutus

Lighten up a bit, please. I get the impression that he has encountered too few reasonable atheists to be able to reconcile how Atheism and decency and coexist. Let's face it, the loudest of us atheists (e.g. Neudow and so many others) cannot be described as such. I hope that I can help him see how it's possible. All in all, I take GOO as a sincere person.

Replace the word atheist in your post with any ethnic or religious group identity and tell me again how GOO's comments are not just straight up insulting.

I think I will leave for a while, before I post something that would likely be deleted.

237 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:27:18pm

re: #223 JustAHouseWife

Heard that ff 3 has unresolved problems, but our computer geek friend downloaded it before I could stop him.Does the little spinner thingy keep going round on yours?

238 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:27:27pm

re: #233 Alaska Kim

Good night y'all. have a nice weekend.

I can take a hint. I show up, you leave....

LOL

Have a fun weekend!

239 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:27:28pm

re: #231 loppyd

Fired up for the game tonight?

Naturally.

240 ornery elephant  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:27:33pm

re: #192 Lizard by the Bay

I can understand your frustration but I read an article awhile back that addressed this - (sorry don't have it in a link) - but I think it was over at Redstate and it discussed the totally different approach that Republicans (conservatives) take to politics than the Liberals. It spoke to the fact that Republicans abhor the drama, the spin, the mudslinging. The article boiled it down to the fact that the Liberals equate politics with their LIVES - there's is a life struggle which dominates their very being. The Republicans on the other hand consider so many things paramount to them before the politics - family, faith, country, etc.

Bottom line the crux of the article said that Republicans are in Washington to get some necessary things done but they often would rather be elsewhere while the Liberals are there because it defines their life, it completes them. This is why Liberals hold nothing back and typically Republicans appear to not want to fight.

Anyway, I found it interesting and hopefully, I paraphrased well enough.

241 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:28:29pm

re: #232 Athos

Lol, There's a surprise! Maher, ignorant and arrogant? whodathunkit?

242 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:28:47pm

re: #180 CyanSnowHawk

Your shallow stereotypical beliefs about atheists are showing.

/Do tell me again how I can become a more perfect American if I only give my heart to < insert name of deity here >. I can't get enough of that.

I never said you would be a more perfect American by worshiping < insert name of deity here >. Don't put words in my mouth. I have no truck with atheists if they have no bugs up their ass about my faith. Deal.


Ojoe @ 203:

Thus allah and islam are neither a god nor a religion in any sense intended by the founding fathers.

Is that your assertion? I did not say that. but from the evidence we've seen maybe you are on to something.

243 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:28:50pm

re: #230 solomonpanting

Oh my, Denmark has become that bad?

244 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:28:51pm

re: #240 ornery elephant

I can understand your frustration but I read an article awhile back that addressed this - (sorry don't have it in a link) - but I think it was over at Redstate and it discussed the totally different approach that Republicans (conservatives) take to politics than the Liberals. It spoke to the fact that Republicans abhor the drama, the spin, the mudslinging. The article boiled it down to the fact that the Liberals equate politics with their LIVES - there's is a life struggle which dominates their very being. The Republicans on the other hand consider so many things paramount to them before the politics - family, faith, country, etc.

Bottom line the crux of the article said that Republicans are in Washington to get some necessary things done but they often would rather be elsewhere while the Liberals are there because it defines their life, it completes them. This is why Liberals hold nothing back and typically Republicans appear to not want to fight.

Anyway, I found it interesting and hopefully, I paraphrased well enough.

OE................................................ ............................. Nice to see you out of the lounge big guy.....

245 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:29:03pm

re: #228 doriangrey

How are you doing this afternoon?

246 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:29:20pm

re: #239 CapeCoddah

Naturally.

I've got on my lucky cap and sweatshirt!

BTW - American Carol is playing at the Lowes Cineplex in Danvers. The BF and I are planning to go tomorrow night.

247 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:29:39pm

It won't be seen by the masses but Hannity's Sunday night show will focus on Obama's friends and mentors. Must see TV indeed.

248 debutaunt  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:30:15pm

re: #116 Alaska Kim

or beer-battered halibut!

That's it! I'm contacting PETH. You throwing beer cans at fish has me all riled up!

249 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:30:42pm

re: #217 Alaska Kim

all that stuff is called training wheels up here.

When I lived in Mexico, that was called breakfast.

250 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:30:56pm

re: #240 ornery elephant

Republicans abhor the drama, the spin, the mudslinging. The article boiled it down to the fact that the Liberals equate politics with their LIVES - there's is a life struggle which dominates their very being. The Republicans on the other hand consider so many things paramount to them before the politics - family, faith, country, etc.

Bottom line the crux of the article said that Republicans are in Washington to get some necessary things done but they often would rather be elsewhere while the Liberals are there because it defines their life, it completes them. This is why Liberals hold nothing back and typically Republicans appear to not want to fight.

I can agree with everything you posted, but it boils down to the same end game: Republicans are no longer willing to compete for votes like the Democrats do, and they will lose more and more elections as a result.

251 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:31:05pm

re: #245 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How are you doing this afternoon?

Been better.... Been worse... Will undoubtedly be both again..... How are you today....

252 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:31:07pm

re: #242 Gang of One

No, you did not say that, it's a corollary that I added; a point that I think needs some wide public debate in this country.

253 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:31:17pm

re: #248 debutaunt

That's it! I'm contacting PETH. You throwing beer cans at fish has me all riled up!

Are you doing that just for the hallabit?

254 yesandno  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:31:29pm

Let us be honest.

Journalism had reached the lowest common denominator. It is Hollywood for the less attractive. It is celebrity for those who want to change the world so they sell themselves. It has nothing to do with the pursuit of truth, only the passing along of the media's message, of going along to get along.

There is little to no integrity, no one out on a limb doing the hard work because they never get coverage, never get space, and not playing by all the rules pushes them off to the side. We have stopped asking questions...we don't want other's to know we don't know the answers. And we don't know history, we don't know geography, we don't know who we are, much less the remainder of the world.

We have been told we are the problem....but we are the solution. Things are going to get very much worse before they improve. I am not willing to leave a mess to the next generation without trying to fix things now.

Truth, honesty, taking on the hard decisions that Americans can make, we can return to the country described in those wonderful documents of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We are blessed with them as the foundation of this great experiment and we need to return to them.

Seeing to it that Obama is not elected to the Presidency is a start. We must become our own media and make sure the message gets out.

NOBAMA.....

255 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:31:59pm

re: #243 vagabond trader

Oh my, Denmark has become that bad?

According to her, it has its moments. But I believe the Danes have a better grasp of the Islamic threat than most other Europeans.

256 ornery elephant  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:32:05pm

re: #244 doriangrey

DG ! You mean it's nice to see me here or you're just happy I'm not in the Lounge?

hahahaha

257 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:32:19pm

re: #252 Ojoe

No, you did not say that, it's a corollary that I added; a point that I think needs some wide public debate in this country.

Aye.

258 Canadian Guy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:32:23pm

I've read this somewhere else so it's not my idea, but the media has entered O.J. is innocent territory here in this election.

259 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:32:54pm

re: #211 Gang of One
pardon por favor amigo..............I should have said "why distract from the wonderful experience of tequila with lime and salt"......
I always drank my spirits neat, not a mixed drink fan....but alas, I've lost the privilege

260 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:33:48pm

re: #256 ornery elephant

DG ! You mean it's nice to see me here or you're just happy I'm not in the Lounge?

hahahaha

ROTFLMAO..... I think I should plead the 5th on that... Or at least claim that my vicodin is impairing my judgment.... ;)

261 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:33:53pm

re: #251 doriangrey

Been better.... Been worse... Will undoubtedly be both again..... How are you today....

Fine, but had an interesting day. 9AM, trotted out to run downtown to where Palin was to be holding meetings. Had to make a detour to the Firestone place up the street. 2:15PM, finally got downtown with a new alternator and battery, but most everyone had already left. RATS!

262 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:34:57pm

re: #255 solomonpanting

According to her, it has its moments. But I believe the Danes have a better grasp of the Islamic threat than most other Europeans.

i was talking to a young danish couple last wk.
they said their country has really clamped down on immigration.
and they were very happy abt. it.

263 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:35:10pm

re: #246 loppyd

re: #246 loppyd

I will be watching the game in bed, and reading LGF at the same time. Trying to make sure the dogs are not blocking my husbands view of the game or attacking the TV every time a commercial with an animal comes on the screen. Looking forward to a peaceful night.

264 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:35:50pm

re: #236 CyanSnowHawk

Replace the word atheist in your post with any ethnic or religious group identity and tell me again how GOO's comments are not just straight up insulting.

I think I will leave for a while, before I post something that would likely be deleted.

Cyano, Please tell me how I am insulting you?

265 JustAHouseWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:36:02pm

re: #237 vagabond trader

Yep, spins and spins like the MSM! It hasn't been spinning since I've been posting comments though. It happens when I am just reading the main page or trying to navigate away to another page.

266 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:36:03pm

Hmm... I got a response:

Thank you for this submission. The Viewer Communications Management team reviews and summarizes story ideas, and distributes them to appropriate news divisions for consideration. If it is decided the story is something of interest that can be developed for on-air reporting, you may be contacted for more information.

Because of the volume of story suggestions we receive, we are unable to reply with information on whether or not it will be used.

Thank you again for sending it our way.

CNN Viewer Communications Management

Charles, I'll let you know if CNN gets in touch with me.

267 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:36:07pm

re: #263 CapeCoddah

Sounds like a perfect night on Cape Cod!

268 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:36:11pm

re: #261 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fine, but had an interesting day. 9AM, trotted out to run downtown to where Palin was to be holding meetings. Had to make a detour to the Firestone place up the street. 2:15PM, finally got downtown with a new alternator and battery, but most everyone had already left. RATS!

Damn it...... That sucks..... Would have been great to see her live.... I have always had an affinity for Pit-Bull's..... Specially when they are locking their jaws on a liberal/democrat hind quarters.... :)

269 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:36:57pm

re: #267 loppyd

Sounds like a perfect night on Cape Cod!

It is a beautiful, if breezy, night on Cape Cod!

270 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:36:57pm

re: #240 ornery elephant

The article boiled it down to the fact that the Liberals equate politics with their LIVES - there's is a life struggle which dominates their very being. The Republicans on the other hand consider so many things paramount to them before the politics - family, faith, country, etc.

Rush Limbaugh first articulated that notion maybe 20+ years ago. It was valid then, and is even moreso, today.

271 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:37:38pm

Arrr! Evening mates!, is this the Friday night grog thread? Long hard but productive week whipping the scurvy bilge-rats into shape! Got a new recruit to help us out, we all like him, he is young and enthusiastic, his name is Jason and I'll make him into a pirate too!

272 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:37:52pm

re: #262 nyc redneck

Glad to hear that. I visited years ago during my wild youth and it was a lovely civilized place, although even then there was a visible Palestinian presence.

273 Grandma  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:38:10pm

When the media’s agenda is to promote the Obamessiah and his cohort, Biden, to lofty and noble positions, who cares about falsehoods? The sheeple will just line up behind them all, suck up the wonderousness of it all and “Hope for Change”. Fat chance. Like the Paul Simon lyrics said, “What’re going to do when they shoot down your plane? You’ll need a couple of vodka and tonics to set you on your feet again”. That is, if they can still afford that.
Just Grandma’s $.02 on this lovely, cool Carolina evening.

274 Geepers  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:38:10pm

Lizard by the Bay (#192),

The fix is in, ...

Um, then it really doesn't make any differnece if the Republicans fight or not does it?

275 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:38:20pm

re: #262 nyc redneck

i was talking to a young danish couple last wk.
they said their country has really clamped down on immigration.
and they were very happy abt. it.

Hopefully, it's a trend setter.

276 Canadian Guy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:38:45pm

re: #164 DeafDog

Of all the bizarre comments made by Mr. Biden, the French/American/Nato defeating Hezbollah in Lebennon was the most wacked..

Not just defeating them .... driving them out

277 Spiny Norman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:38:57pm

re: #232 Athos

Yes, I will see it, but probably not until mid next week. Schedule too crazy until then. LA Daily News will review in tomorrow's paper. For what it's worth, the Bill Maher crapumentory got only 1 star by the LA Daily News - Maher was called ignorant, arrogant, and unfunny.

Yes, but I thought everyone already knew that.

278 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:39:17pm

re: #254 yesandno

excellent!

279 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:39:31pm

re: #271 loflyer

Arrr! Evening mates!, is this the Friday night grog thread? Long hard but productive week whipping the scurvy bilge-rats into shape! Got a new recruit to help us out, we all like him, he is young and enthusiastic, his name is Jason and I'll make him into a pirate too!

Run out the guns!
A keg of rum if you get the foremast!

/quoting a Gregory Peck " H. Hornblower" line for that last one

280 vagabond trader  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:39:41pm

re: #265 JustAHouseWife

Gotta be this ff 3. Gah, how to uninstall she wonders.

281 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:40:34pm

FBI investigates Obama's friend

Check out the creepy photo, too.

(Editor's note: The original version of this article has been corrected. The office of Larry D. Walsh was not raided.)

The FBI is investigating a former Illinois state senator who is a poker-playing buddy of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.

According to Chicago authorities, the FBI visited the offices in Joliet, Ill., of a Will County auditor to ask questions about Larry Walsh, a longtime friend of Mr. Obama's, and his chief of staff Matt Ryan.

Mr. Walsh, who served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2005, was endorsed by Mr. Obama in his county executive election bid. With the support of some of Mr. Obama's U.S. Senate volunteers, he easily defeated incumbent Republican Joseph Mikan.

Will County auditor Steve Weber confirmed that his office had been asked by the FBI to assist in an investigation, but he did not elaborate on the specifics.

Two FBI agents out of Chicago reportedly spent more than an hour in the Will County offices on Wednesday morning.

According to sources, the Walsh investigation may be tied to lobbying firm Smith Dawson and Andrews, which was hired in 2006 for $10,000 per month to help Will County acquire federal grants.

282 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:40:34pm

re: #276 Canadian Guy

Not just defeating them .... driving them out

He could have said that he led the mission....no one would have said a word.

283 realwest  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:41:08pm

re: #268 doriangrey Hey dorian - just sorta drive by posting to say I got the message that you left for me this morning - thank you, again.
How are you feeling - is the pain any less?

284 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:41:12pm

re: #240 ornery elephant

If I might comment, too:

Actually, that perspective explains why the libs have gone so far out of what is considered logical and even factual in their attacks on Sarah Palin. They do not only disagree with her politics, they see her and feel her as a threat to their very existence. She is the antithesis of who they are - she is pro-life feminism, happily married wife, involved and loving mother of five kids, successful businesswoman and accomplished public servant. Add the hunting and fishing and other sportsman like activities, and that makes her full and vibrant life abhorrent to their sarcastic, cynical, elitist, "blame America first" attitudes.

She is down-to-earth, optimistic, loves America and is gorgeous.

They must smash her, destroy her. They can only fully live if she, and all she represents, is demolished.

While most of us see ourselves in her eyes, they see a condemnation of everything they stand for.

286 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:41:31pm

BBIAB

287 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:42:07pm

re: #279 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Run out the guns!
A keg of rum if you get the foremast!

/quoting a Gregory Peck " H. Hornblower" line for that last one

Yaaar! Hornblower and Bolitho! 'Me Hero's!

288 runrabbitrun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:42:16pm

re: #6 Gang of One

What is left to say, really? The lines have been drawn, people have taken sides. This is not going to end well.

If it doesn't end well for us on November 4th, it may well end worse for the Dems by 2012. Obama isn't capable of organizing an effective administration, he has no idea how to get people together even on the Senate level to get things done, he'll be a blithering idiot as a diplomat, he has supporters leaning on him from the very farthest left spectrum drooling to be honored kingmakers in the White House, and Barry has never earned the legislative chops to have any clue how get his radical patrons to play nice with his more moderate/pragmatic Clinton era team members, which will be crucial for him to maintain support.

The significant point is that a more Beltway-savvy left winger could do a lot more damage than this straw man, who may fall apart well before the next elex and raise the value of the Republican brand.

We would have to (God forbid) take some pretty rough bumps along the way, but I don't think most people have any idea of the breadth of Obama's managerial incompetence. His campaign team can lead the dummies along by their noses with Hollywood sound bites and populist slogans, but any administration he tries to lead will be a howler*: an economic, foreign relations, and social policy disaster that will make Jimmah Carter's tenure look like a triumph of statemanship.

*for us, in more ways than one

289 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:42:19pm

re: #284 Intrepid

This is an elemental play out of good and evil if you ask me.

290 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:42:41pm

re: #234 loppyd

Hey there, Hoooooooooooosier Daddy!

I'm your daddy..LOLOLO
Anyhoo..good to see ya loppy..I've got to log off pretty soon..My crazy friends will be here soon.. ( It's girls night out )
So it's da sox..Video golf championships..beer and cigars..and alot of loud BS.. but anyway..
Everytime we get together one guy gets to choose the music for the evening we have done this for years..One night we listen to every blues classic known..Or old time rock and roll, country..( hate it ..except the sad shit )
60's 70's 80's new stuff ect..
Last month it was my turn...And I'm such a bastard..hehhhehe
First off..we started off with the soundtrack of Hustle and Flow..then get rich or die trying by 50 cent..and i left them with some slim shady rap..
Heavy of the memphis rap scene..
It was classic loppy. People were getting pissed..words were said..the hoopster was being cool..then i told my friends if you ever make me listen to Country music again.. and if you do..and make me listen to hank snow I swear..My Kid has tons of hot new rap music...don't be play'n! don't hate da player..
I now think we have an understanding..If you are doing country..It better be Garth or it's on...
Kind regards Loppy..
Fellow lizards.. I'm out in 15.....I wonder what music we are going to listen to tonight?

291 ornery elephant  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:42:41pm

re: #284 Intrepid

Hey, I'm glad you did! Excellent stuff. ty

292 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:44:45pm

re: #288 runrabbitrun

Our nation will be run by Nancy Pelosi. If you think that she hasn't done enough damage in the last 2 years to this great country, with a Rep in the WH then just wait and see how badly it will go for us with a rubber stamp at 1600 Penn Ave.

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:44:48pm

re: #287 loflyer

Yaaar! Hornblower and Bolitho! 'Me Hero's!

Something to warm the cockles of your blackgard heart

(taken on one of her annual turn-arounds)

/ if you ask which ship, I'll rip out your heart with my bare hands

294 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:45:33pm

re: #274 Geepers

Lizard by the Bay (#192),

Um, then it really doesn't make any differnece if the Republicans fight or not does it?

Wrong, you can't fix a fight when everybody knows it's fixed. But when the Republicans continue to treat the liberal press like a necessary evil instead of the enemy that it is then they deserve to wear the smears that they will not deny. They deserve to be buried in the lies they will not counter. Why do I have to go to some wonkish blog to find a list of all of Biden's blatant lies? Why isn't there a fucking TV commercial running in every swing state telling voters what a liar the man is, showing quotes from the debate contrasted directly with previous statements?

Am I really asking for too much here? If I am, then I rest my case, I guess.

295 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:45:58pm

re: #272 re: #275 solomonpanting

vagabond trader

it was a young couple visiting the city. he was an artist and she, a psychologist.
they were so pro- freedom of speech and they supported the cartoons being published. i was really happy to hear abt. the move to restrict immigration.
that has to start happening in many countries.

296 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:46:43pm

re: #285 Ojoe

Clouds blow by the Towercam. Sunset will come soon. I'll post it if it's beautiful.

Ojoe, I thought the shots of the fires around San Diego absolutely amazing mate! Keep them coming! I love the snow shots!

297 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:47:31pm

The media has displayed liberal bias since the days of Huntley and Brinkley. I remember my ultra-conservative Dad yelling at the TV during some of their broadcasts when I was a crumb-cruncher. Yet, it was so much more subtle back then. Today, it is blatant advocacy on the part of most journalists. It's leftist activism behind the pen, keyboard or teleprompter. There is no longer a shred of pretense left. The MSM has not crossed, but leaped across the line of objectivity with this election.

298 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:47:56pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

Sounds like a total blast!

I think I'd have to go with pure 80's if my girls all came over for a night like that. The BF would probably come home and find us doing our best Molly Ringwald dance in the living room.

Enjoy!

I'm off to figure out dinner.

And P.S. - if I played country it would be Toby all the way.

299 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:47:56pm

Even, they're calling last night's debate even? Biden won?

Bosnicans?

WTF planet are these people getting their TV transmissions from?

/Don't Give Up

300 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:48:11pm

re: #288 runrabbitrun

I agree. It will end disastrously for all of us by 2012.

301 kynna  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:49:06pm

Great post, Charles. Very concise and perfect for e-mailing. Um ... does that give anyone else any ideas? ;D

302 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:49:35pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When I was in Boston for a couple of days this past July, I was very disappointed when I went to the Navy Yard to see her in another major renovation - no spars above the tops, minimal rigging, large sections of the gun deck / hull being replaced. My last two visits have been during renovations - the only time I see her fully rigged and ready is in photos of the July 4th turnaround.

303 Racer X  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:49:41pm

re: #221 Athos

S190 Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act

McCain was a co-sponsor along with Sen. Dole and Sununu. Introduced Jan. 26, 2005. Died in committee July 28, 2005. There are claims that McCain did not sign on to co-sponsor until he gave a speech in May 2006 trying to give new life to the bill (which wasn't technically dead - just caught in committee) and try to get it to a floor vote. The date of the speech is in the record, but according to Gov Tracks, when someone signs on / off as a co-sponsor isn't really tracked.

The Committee in 2005 was 20 members, 11 Repub, 9 Democrats. On a straight party vote, I would think that it would have moved to the floor where a fillbuster could have prevented a floor vote - but being "Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably." sounds to me as if it was placed on hold pending amendments by one of the committee members and then just sat in that status until the end of the 109th Congress in December 2006 when it officially died.

Does it really make any difference if McCain was on this in 2005 or 2006? After all 2006 is still before 2008 when it became apparent that reform was needed or that members of a certain party worked to block reform efforts of Fannie and Freddie?

Thanks for the info. I was just wondering if this could be why McCain is NOT making this an issue.

304 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:50:09pm

re: #283 realwest

Hey dorian - just sorta drive by posting to say I got the message that you left for me this morning - thank you, again.
How are you feeling - is the pain any less?

Little by little it's getting better....

305 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:50:35pm

re: #299 Killian Bundy

Bosniacs.

But I like Bosnicans, too.

306 politicalinsomniac  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:50:39pm

The obligatory "fact-checks" are really just the media running interference for their candidates. The actual liars - in this case, Joe Biden - end up looking better as a result because it drags down the honest candidate.

To put it another way, a "lie" according to the so-called fact-checkers is many times just a different political interpretation of the facts.

However, as noted at the top of this page, Biden told numerous demonstrable outright lies, but amazingly they were overlooked by the MSM.

307 doppelganglander  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:50:53pm

re: #300 Gang of One

I agree. It will end disastrously for all of us by 2012.

Hey, isn't that when the Mayan calendar runs out? Cue the twilight zone music...

308 HoosierHoops  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:53:08pm

re: #304 doriangrey

Little by little it's getting better....

Didn't want to log out without saying Hi Dorian..get better feeling soon..
Thinking off you man...

309 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:53:38pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

I'm your daddy..LOLOLO


Whosh.... Glad somebody else coped to that..... Was afraid my reputation might have finally caught up with me.... ;P

310 Born Again Republican  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:53:39pm

Did anyone catch on Fox News the Acorn person in Ohio saying how she tells people to vote for Obama. She's laughing away, thrilled with herself. Then the reporter asked again if she tried to influence people's vote and she suddenly realized what she was saying and ran from the camera.

Shameless

311 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:54:09pm

Evil is sweeping over the Shire.

/and Bilbo and Frodo are dead

312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:54:10pm

re: #302 Athos

When I was in Boston for a couple of days this past July, I was very disappointed when I went to the Navy Yard to see her in another major renovation - no spars above the tops, minimal rigging, large sections of the gun deck / hull being replaced. My last two visits have been during renovations - the only time I see her fully rigged and ready is in photos of the July 4th turnaround.

I still envy Uncle Walter (Cronkite), who got a turn at her wheel during the under-sail cruise back in the 90's. There's a photo of him somewhere out there, behind that huge wheel, grinning like a little boy.

313 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:54:13pm

re: #289 Ojoe

This is an elemental play out of good and evil if you ask me.

I'll agree with you on that, Ojoe. There is a vast difference between simply disagreeing with another's political views and despising the person herself because of those views.

I do not hate Barack Obama as a person. I cannot stand his political views and have a visceral and total mistrust of him because of his decisions and associations. But to go so far as to "hate" him? No. I don't even know Barack Obama, and even if I did, why would I pollute my very soul by allowing hatred to reside in it?

It would be like me drinking poison and hoping it kills someone else.

These folks appear to be swilling the poison every time they say or write their hateful diatribes.

They're rather sad individuals, actually. How poor their lives must be that they take such pleasure in such destructive activities.

314 realwest  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:54:22pm

re: #304 doriangrey
I'm so glad to hear that and I hope that in a short period of time you'll be out of pain altogether!
And now I'm out of here altogether, though I may be back later tonight - at least by Eastern Time standards!
LOL!

315 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:54:57pm
316 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:55:05pm

re: #307 doppelganglander

Hey, isn't that when the Mayan calendar runs out? Cue the twilight zone music...

LOL! I had no intention of posting something so, uh, cheesy, but yeah ... that's what they say, innit?

317 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:55:31pm

re: #306 politicalinsomniac

You're absolutely correct. A bald-faced lie perpetrated by the left is, in their eyes, merely their ideological interpretation of the truth. Lying is morally irrelevant to the left.

318 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:56:48pm
319 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:57:03pm

Two women I know at work are disgusted with the way Palin is being treated by the MSM & disgusted with the Donks in general. One is already committed to voting Rep this year, the other one is on her way. She's still a bit stuck on lib class warfare mentality. I'll work with her some more on basic conservative principles. She's intelligent and I know she'll figure it out.

320 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:57:18pm

re: #303 Racer X

Thanks for the info. I was just wondering if this could be why McCain is NOT making this an issue.

Possibly. But then, as Palin hammered Biden as he tried to link all of the McCain policies to those of Bush 43, looking back isn't really productive - it's better to look forward and focus on that.

Look at it this way, if McCain and other prominent Republicans went into a full court press as to how the Dems created and facilitated this problem - what would the response be and which side would the MSM attempt to paint as the villian? The real villians (Dodd, Frank, and the Dems) or the finger pointing Republicans who are attempting to deflect the attention from their responsibility and leadership in Congress from 2001 to 2006? And how would middle America receive it? Kudos for the R's for fighting or more of the same bickering that doesn't really accomplish anything or solve the problem.

321 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:58:21pm

re: #318 ploome hineni

to the atheist morality is relative

They are often (not always) one and the same.

322 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:58:45pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Something to warm the cockles of your blackgard heart

(taken on one of her annual turn-arounds)

/ if you ask which ship, I'll rip out your heart with my bare hands

Yo, Ho! Matey! I applied for the turn-around cruise last year for 'me dad and 'meself, last year but didn't make it. It's done like a lottery because their are so many pirates and patriots who want to be on board. Thanks for reminding me, I'll throw our names in the hat again for next years turn around cruise.....Trying to find a good site with good pics to link too. Can't find the Constituition in my ol' trusty stand-by, Nav-source!

323 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 4:59:19pm

re: #289 Ojoe

This is an elemental play out of good and evil if you ask me.

re: #313 Intrepid

I'll agree with you on that, Ojoe. There is a vast difference between simply disagreeing with another's political views and despising the person herself because of those views.

I do not hate Barack Obama as a person. I cannot stand his political views and have a visceral and total mistrust of him because of his decisions and associations. But to go so far as to "hate" him? No. I don't even know Barack Obama, and even if I did, why would I pollute my very soul by allowing hatred to reside in it?

It would be like me drinking poison and hoping it kills someone else.

These folks appear to be swilling the poison every time they say or write their hateful diatribes.

They're rather sad individuals, actually. How poor their lives must be that they take such pleasure in such destructive activities.

What you guys said.

324 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:00:22pm

re: #318 ploome hineni

to the atheist morality is relative

Not necessarily. Atheism like any other religion has many different sects. Some hold truth to be sacred, others relative. Like the old saying says so it is with atheists, you cant judge a book by its cover.

325 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:00:26pm

re: #319 rightymouse

I am plagerizing the below from an earlier post (I forgot by whom)

This little story about some beer drinkers explains…..
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. ...you are now free to vote for Obama!

326 Wishing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:00:32pm

I talked to a friend of mine in some small town in northern Ohio today. She went to the local beauty shop and the two gals working there were talking about Palin and how great she is. My friend said, So you must be voting for McCain? They said, This is a McCain town, we all vote for him. They then went on to bash all people of color, talked about the welfare problem and etc.
My friend was horrified at the whiff....
We cant allow this kind of thinking to infiltrate the Republican Party, ever

327 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:00:35pm

re: #313 Intrepid

And look how the writer of that Time magazine article tries to rope all women into her own lost-ness:


Women are weapons-grade haters. Hillary Clinton knows it. Palin knows it too.

It is so sad, so sad.

328 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:01:19pm
Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

/Josey Wales

329 Spirit93  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:01:28pm

re: #318 ploome hineni

to the atheist morality is relative

F U ploome.

Don't tell me what my morality is.

330 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:01:36pm

re: #192 Lizard by the Bay

The maybe GOP is being careful of the potential of ridicule by the MSM if they come across to strong. They don't want to be painted as Limbaughs and Oreillys, frothing at the mouth while contradicting the MSM created popularism.

331 godfrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:02:06pm

"Atheistic grounds for moral absolutes."

Discuss.

332 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:02:25pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Something to warm the cockles of your blackgard heart

(taken on one of her annual turn-arounds)

/ if you ask which ship, I'll rip out your heart with my bare hands

Oh... What a pretty little boat..... ;P

333 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:02:45pm

re: #326 Wishing

Martin Luther King Jr. was a republican.

334 Tarkloon  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:02:49pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Something to warm the cockles of your blackgard heart

(taken on one of her annual turn-arounds)

/ if you ask which ship, I'll rip out your heart with my bare hands

Beautiful, thanks for posting that. The copper plated hull peeking above the waterline is dead giveaway.

335 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:03:06pm

re: #318 ploome hineni

to the atheist morality is relative

CyanSnowHawk is not gonna be happy with you, either, Ploome!

336 Born Again Republican  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:03:08pm
337 godfrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:03:38pm

re: #330 MacGregor

I for one was delighted to see Barney Frank finally confronted as a con man.

338 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:04:01pm

re: #318 ploome hineni

to the atheist morality is relative

And to the liberals, relativity is moral.

339 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:04:04pm

re: #332 doriangrey

Oh... What a pretty little boat..... ;P

BOAT?!?!

LOFLYERRRRRRRRR!
TARGET OFF THE PORT QUARTER!

340 Outrider  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:05:04pm

re: #250 Lizard by the Bay

I can agree with everything you posted, but it boils down to the same end game: Republicans are no longer willing to compete for votes like the Democrats do, and they will lose more and more elections as a result.

By that you mean; lie, cheat, steal, register the dead to vote, slander, libel, character assassination, stuff ballot boxes, enact laws to enable more unqualified voters to vote, bogus videos, disqualify opponents ballots if it suits you (Ohio), etc.....

341 Athos  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:05:07pm

re: #332 doriangrey

Oh... What a pretty little boat..... ;P

"We call her a ship in the Navy....."

342 musicman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:05:47pm

OT
Just a thought I find interesting...the most liberal state on the "left coast" is now saying that they may need to be bailed out to the tune of 7 billion dollars. What does that tell you about liberalism? A state governed by a RINO and home to Pelosi et. al.

343 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:06:11pm

re: #332 doriangrey

Oh... What a pretty little boat..... ;P

The Royal Navy didn't think so.

God bless the United States of America. God save the U.S.S. Constitution and the document she's named for.

344 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:06:21pm

Debates are like drag races, you compete against your own benchmark, at least as far as the media are concerned.
So the benchmarks were:
Biden, Do not stick foot in mouth past the ankle.
Palin, Be fully knowledgable regarding foreign policy, domestic policy, economics, health care, eduaction, and taxes.
Biden stuck his foot in his mouth, but not deep enough since the LSM will not fact check him or Obamanation.
Palin was not able to articulate fully that she had a masters degree knowledge in all the areas required in her 90 seconds.
Biden wins, Palin loses, the media continues to attack her because they know she can eat them for a snack. (forget lunch).

345 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:06:24pm

re: #325 DeafDog

I am plagerizing the below from an earlier post (I forgot by whom)

This little story about some beer drinkers explains…..
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. ...you are now free to vote for Obama!

You damned capitalist imperialist racists pig.... /s lol...lol...lol...

346 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:07:10pm

re: #341 Athos

"We call her a ship in the Navy....."


I talked to a Navy guy and he said they were targets. He was in boats.

347 Outrider  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:07:31pm

re: #271 loflyer

Arrr! Evening mates!, is this the Friday night grog thread? Long hard but productive week whipping the scurvy bilge-rats into shape! Got a new recruit to help us out, we all like him, he is young and enthusiastic, his name is Jason and I'll make him into a pirate too!

Jason the Argonaut? Been done. ;-)>

348 MacGregor  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:07:32pm

re: #337 godfrey

I for one was delighted to see Barney Frank finally confronted as a con man.

Agreed. But the MSM sees it and reports it differently (hostile).

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:08:32pm

re: #343 guzziguy

The Royal Navy didn't think so.

ROFLMAO!

Don't have a link at the moment, but I've read that the RN's War of 1812 rules of engagement were re-written to call for a minimum of two ships when engaging an American frigate.

350 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:08:40pm

re: #339 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BOAT?!?!

LOFLYERRRRRRRRR!
TARGET OFF THE PORT QUARTER!

MWAHHHHAAAHHHHHHH..........................

351 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:08:50pm

re: #346 x-wing

I talked to a Navy guy and he said they were targets. He was in boats.

Forgot the sarc tag. But he really said it.

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:09:16pm

re: #346 x-wing

I talked to a Navy guy and he said they were targets. He was in boats.

heh!
I get the meaning!

353 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:09:35pm

dinnertime

/bbl

354 Wishing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:09:53pm

re: #336 Born Again Republican

New Ad attacking Dems

BOUT TIME! gettem John!

355 Wendya  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:09pm

re: #46 x-wing

I had to explain that to a co-worker awhile back. He just looked at me with a dumb look on his face.

I tried to explain that to a co-worker years ago and he tried to argue the point then tuned me out because what I was saying was NOT what he wanted to hear.

Leftism in a nutshell.

356 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:36pm
357 runrabbitrun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:37pm

re: #292 MJBrutus

Our nation will be run by Nancy Pelosi. If you think that she hasn't done enough damage in the last 2 years to this great country, with a Rep in the WH then just wait and see how badly it will go for us with a rubber stamp at 1600 Penn Ave.

I think the most damage will be done by the clashing of the two colossus' egos, leaving Washington a wreck scene reminiscent of a Japanese 'monster-v-monster' movie.

The Dems are not that smart. If this bailout crap had passed 4 months ago, Congress's incompetence would have eventually have been called by angry voters of both parties, and most Americans would have had a chance to learn the truth about origin of the financial crisis that had been expanding under cover till October. Pelosi and Reid are morons, and Obama is a clueless bluffer with zero administrative experience. That will become clearer under an all-dim-Dem government as our economy goes from bad to worse and the bargaining positions of dangerous global powers like Russia and Iran gets better. Things will fall apart; and my only prayer is that it will be possible to pick up the pieces.

358 Outrider  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:39pm

re: #294 Lizard by the Bay

Wrong, you can't fix a fight when everybody knows it's fixed. But when the Republicans continue to treat the liberal press like a necessary evil instead of the enemy that it is then they deserve to wear the smears that they will not deny. They deserve to be buried in the lies they will not counter. Why do I have to go to some wonkish blog to find a list of all of Biden's blatant lies? Why isn't there a fucking TV commercial running in every swing state telling voters what a liar the man is, showing quotes from the debate contrasted directly with previous statements?

Am I really asking for too much here? If I am, then I rest my case, I guess.

Got a solution? I mean, short of buying your own cable network? A candidate bitterly complaining about a biased media, even with examples just ain't gonna cut it.

359 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:45pm

re: #325 DeafDog

We talked a bit today about the concept of wealth redistribution and tax cuts for the wealthy. I asked her what she considered to be wealthy. She wasn't sure of an exact number. Then I asked her whether she was better at determining how to spend her money or whether the government was better than her. She laughed and said of course she was better than the government. I told her that she was not alone and that the government had no clue how to use anyone's money or wealth, as just shown by the bailout.

I also told her that the Dems had an invested interest in keeping her 'needy', otherwise she wouldn't think she 'needed' them to save her from her 'neediness'.

The one that got her was the Karl Marx notion of 'from each according to their ability to each according to their need'. She didn't know that that was Karl Marx and hence the basis of wealth redistribution by government proxy. How many Americans are like her? Lots and lots and lots.

I take 'em one at a time. :)

360 Wishing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:49pm

That new ad is gonna leave a trail of blood!

361 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:10:57pm

re: #350 doriangrey

MWAHHHHAAAHHHHHHH....................... ...

boat boat boat boat!
*muttering, sharpening knives*

362 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:11:36pm

re: #345 doriangrey

Eggselent.
I am saving this.

363 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:11:43pm

re: #346 x-wing

LST

Large Stationary Target

364 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:12:13pm

barney frank could be a guy plucked out of a mental institute.
sat down in a chair and encouraged to free associate for the camera.
(the guy is really really weird. too much mindless unintelligible chattering)

365 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:12:56pm

another video 2nd one down of dopes for Obama[Link: sugarnspice.typepad.com...]

366 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:13:00pm
367 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:13:45pm

re: #355 Wendya

I tried to explain that to a co-worker years ago and he tried to argue the point then tuned me out because what I was saying was NOT what he wanted to hear.

Leftism in a nutshell.

Consider yourself lucky. I usually get attacked personally when I'm winning the argument. But it's almost cool because I know they aint got nothin'.

368 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:14:37pm
369 Wishing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:14:46pm

re: #336 Born Again Republican

New Ad attacking Dems

The sequel will be BETTER than this part one!

370 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:14:51pm

re: #360 Wishing

That new ad is gonna leave a trail of blood!

No one cares.

/America is apparently spaced out on drugs

371 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:15:21pm
372 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:15:22pm

re: #336 Born Again Republican

New Ad attacking Dems

WHOMPass!

373 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:15:38pm

re: #370 Killian Bundy
/and they didn't share with us!

374 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:16:04pm

re: #254 yesandno

Let us be honest.

Journalism had reached the lowest common denominator. It is Hollywood for the less attractive. It is celebrity for those who want to change the world so they sell themselves. It has nothing to do with the pursuit of truth, only the passing along of the media's message, of going along to get along.

There is little to no integrity, no one out on a limb doing the hard work because they never get coverage, never get space, and not playing by all the rules pushes them off to the side. We have stopped asking questions...we don't want other's to know we don't know the answers. And we don't know history, we don't know geography, we don't know who we are, much less the remainder of the world.

We have been told we are the problem....but we are the solution. Things are going to get very much worse before they improve. I am not willing to leave a mess to the next generation without trying to fix things now.

Truth, honesty, taking on the hard decisions that Americans can make, we can return to the country described in those wonderful documents of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We are blessed with them as the foundation of this great experiment and we need to return to them.

Seeing to it that Obama is not elected to the Presidency is a start. We must become our own media and make sure the message gets out.

NOBAMA.....

When I listened to NPR I liked the way they did the news. If a story took 15 minutes they would spend the 15 minutes and go into it in-depth. I may not agree with the slant they would put onto the news, but the fact they went in-depth was more important. You take news lite (i.e. a Drudge headline) and run with it you wind up missing some important facts buried towards the end of the item. That makes it much harder to hide the truth than when you just get the Reader's Digest add water condensed version. The press won't do this if they aren't rewarded for doing this. Publicity, a name, a by-line, is what they want. They want to change the world, but the majority won't be anyone known outside of a few markets.

375 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:16:22pm

re: #325 DeafDog

Arrr! excellent point mate! I firmly believe in the flat-rate tax. If poor want to consume the lions share of government supplied resources and revenue, then they should at least pay their fair share of taxes instead of nothing. This would give them incentive to work harder or get an education instead of leeching off of you fellow citizens misguided largess. Arrr, I am talking like a pirate on this one. Ruthless and daring, with no pity for the incompetent clueless welfare reciprocates! I 'be taking the last statement back, I too have been down on 'me luck, but I never required welfare because I did not begot 'myself without a marriage and always found a job. Some people do get down in their luck but with a little help, like welfare and labor, they find employment within a year. I have serious issues with anyone on welfare more than one year, no matter how many children they have brought into the world.

376 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:16:26pm

re: #361 pre-Boomer Marine brat

boat boat boat boat!
*muttering, sharpening knives*

ROTFLMAO...............................Like a leathernecks kid knows the difference between a boat and a ship...........Want to see my K-Bar?

377 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:17:21pm

re: #364 nyc redneck

Shock therapy might help.

378 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:17:27pm

re: #363 Ojoe

LST

Large Stationary Target

The small carriers of WW2 were CVE for Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable.

379 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:17:28pm

Charles -

It certainly appears that Sen. Obama and the Democratic Party are allowing "Joe to be Joe." That is to say a practiced bloviator, playing fast and loose with facts, he even got the name of the restaurant he frequents wrong. The correct name is "Cozy Corner" - the name he gave has been out of business for the last 15 years. The management at Cozy Corner likes him as a matter of fact. Bob Grant (a/k/a Gigante) at age 85 can still remember that the name of the diner he frequents in Woodbridge, NJ is "The REO (Not RIO) Diner" - what is Joe Biden's problem?

-S-

380 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:17:45pm

re: #376 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO...............................L ike a leathernecks kid knows the difference between a boat and a ship...........Want to see my K-Bar?

My dad, who served in the navy, made sure that my brother and I knew the difference!

381 Born Again Republican  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:18:09pm

re: #359 rightymouse

Good one!

A neighbor was saying they were undecided and I asked if they saw Obama on OReily. No, they hadn't. I told them when Obama was confronted about taking wealth from the rich to give to the poor Obama said "that's our neighborly thing to do." Their reaction was one of disbelief. "He didn't really say that!" Sure did, I retorted. Neighbor said, "that's socialism!" Yup!

Love it when they figure it out themselves!

382 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:18:17pm

re: #339 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BOAT?!?!

LOFLYERRRRRRRRR!
TARGET OFF THE PORT QUARTER!

Arrr, Run em out and load to the 'larboard! A little more helm to the east please!

383 devil in baggy pants  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:18:26pm

re: #71 Adina in Judea

OT: Well, I'm officially registered to vote as an Orthodox Jewish Republican in North Carolina as of a few days ago. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Israel, but I had to change my U.S. residency due to my job in North Carolina (which I will be doing in Israel after my initial time onsite in Research Triangle Park in Raleigh, North Carolina.) Long story.

So I will be voting for McCain/Palin in North Carolina instead of California.

It's a much better use of my vote, I think.

I'll be in North Carolina until a couple of months after the election. Then I will return to Judea, Israel to do my North Carolina job remotely.

Shabbat Shalom!


Glad to have you!

384 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:18:39pm

re: #365 willowone

another video 2nd one down of dopes for Obama[Link: sugarnspice.typepad.com...]

I saw one of her clips a couple of weeks ago, just after her blog site was hacked and trashed by Obamabots. She was pissed and moved her blog to another host, then went off on the bots, Obama and the DNC with both barrels.

I think the name of it is "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", and she clearly mentioned that she was voting for McCain in this election but in 2012, she was Hillary's woman. And she is AA.

GO PUMAS!

385 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:19:52pm

re: #378 JeremyR

The small carriers of WW2 were CVE for Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable.

No shit matey, but they did a man's job!

386 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:19:58pm

The Associated Press assigned five writers to “fact check” the debate, but somehow they missed every single one of these lies and gaffes:

Every single one? Say it ain't so, Joe.

387 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:20:17pm

re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom

My dad, who served in the navy, made sure that my brother and I knew the difference!

Yes, but that's because a Sailor would know the difference.... A Marine..... Well that's whole nother story.... lol...lol...lol... (Yes my pop's did 27 in the USN)...

388 gman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:20:19pm

I was on the European news websites this morning. They were reporting the biased MSM polls as if they were factual. Business as usual.

LGF is one of the very few antidotes for the MSM's magical fairy dust.

That's right. We are it.

So, keep spreading the truth because 4 years of
Obama's "Hope and Change" is exactly what America's enemies are
counting on.

389 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:20:29pm

re: #356 ploome hineni

tell your friend

ploomie -

Some years before his death - George Wallace repented, whether it was real or not, only Hashem knows. At least he got the message as to how to behave.

-S-

390 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:20:36pm

re: #386 kansas

100% missed.

391 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:20:37pm

re: #342 musicman

I have an idea. Why not suggest that the state allow folks to drill for oil and gas off your coast and then you can sell that to others to raise money.....just a thought.

:)

392 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:21:34pm

re: #377 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Shock therapy might help.

he really is odd person. that smack down on o'reilly was wild.
barney was chattering like a wind up toy. it was kind of sad.

393 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:21:39pm

re: #390 Perplexed

100% missed.


Yeah, but what does Joe say? : )

394 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:22:07pm

Without air cover, Navy ships are sunken scrap metal.

/Pump It

395 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:22:31pm

re: #384 Intrepid she has a nice site , even if i'm in disagreement with some of her politics and ideaolgies.

396 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:22:58pm
397 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:23:00pm

re: #395 willowone and yes GO Pumas!

398 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:23:38pm

"I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast."

- William Tecumseh Sherman

399 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:23:49pm

re: #383 devil in baggy pants

"dibp" -

For sure - as it seems - here in NJ - my vote for Sen. McCain (with clothespin on nose) will be in effect a "Protest Vote" - AND - my vote for SARAH PALIN by voting for him will be heartfelt.

-S-

400 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:23:53pm

re: #385 loflyer

No shit matey, but they did a man's job!

I'm racking my brains trying to remember all th abreviations. Forgive me, I was Army, but had many family in the Navy (never again volunteer yourself) and Marines (My ass receives injected Navy equipment, Sir!).
Military ones are as fun as computer ones.

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:24:40pm

re: #376 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO...............................Like a leathernecks kid knows the difference between a boat and a ship...........Want to see my K-Bar?

This Marine brat happened to go into the Navy, and read about ships since ... well, I remember one picture-book from when I was about 3 or 4 years old.

402 wiffersnapper  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:25:24pm

I wonder if the AP is in the tank? nahhhhhh

403 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:25:29pm

re: #395 willowone

she has a nice site , even if i'm in disagreement with some of her politics and ideaolgies.

I've checked out quite a few PUMA sites - some are more palatable than others. The Hillary Clinton Forum and PUMAPac are actually some very reliable sources of news, and they are very motivated to get out and work for McCain/Palin. MUCH MORE THAN A NUMBER OF CONSERVATIVES SEEM TO BE!

We've got quite an assortment of bedfellows for this election, that's for sure.

404 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:25:46pm

re: #359 rightymouse

It's amazing to me how smooth BHO is on promising everything to everybody. As a former community organizer, he believes it himself.

405 Perplexed  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:25:48pm

re: #387 doriangrey

Yes, but that's because a Sailor would know the difference.... A Marine..... Well that's whole nother story.... lol...lol...lol... (Yes my pop's did 27 in the USN)...

The son was on a gator his during his first enlistment. The poor Marines on board had incredibly limited storage space for personal belongings. Son said that when entering into the USMC spaces that it smelled funny/off. That being said he respected the way that the Marines carried themselves and wore the uniform correctly. It was very rare to see any Marine sloppily dressed. Navy personnel and their wearing of the uniform es another subject.

406 Wendya  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:25:48pm

re: #166 Racer X

From the link - is this statement factual?

McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005. The bill never made it out of committee because the democrats blocked it.

The Republicans introduced legislation in 2000 and 2004 to reform Freddie/Fannie and it failed then as well.

407 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:26:00pm

re: #378 JeremyR

The small carriers of WW2 were CVE for Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable.

Yaar! Also we have the A-3D (All Three Dead, no ejection seats) and NASA (Need Another Seven Astronauts, no escape system) NASA is a disgrace, the Chinese will probably land on the moon before the US gets back to it....

408 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:26:01pm

re: #384 Intrepid
another thing, This type of worship is something i've never seen in my lifteime, very unnerving.

409 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:27:13pm

re: #403 Intrepid
and I hope many of them stay in Our Party, I didn't see anything clearly until 9-11, maybe this is their moment .

410 musicman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:27:29pm

re: #391 DeafDog

Boy would the tree-huggers head explode if that were to happen.

411 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:27:30pm

re: #394 Killian Bundy

Without air cover, Navy ships are sunken scrap metal.

/Pump It

Grouchy Old Cripple posted that some time back. great vid.

412 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:28:20pm

re: #405 Perplexed

The poor Marines on board had incredibly limited storage space for personal belongings.

/they're Marines

413 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:28:43pm

re: #379 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

It certainly appears that Sen. Obama and the Democratic Party are allowing "Joe to be Joe." That is to say a practiced bloviator, playing fast and loose with facts, he even got the name of the restaurant he frequents wrong. The correct name is "Cozy Corner" - the name he gave has been out of business for the last 15 years. The management at Cozy Corner likes him as a matter of fact. Bob Grant (a/k/a Gigante) at age 85 can still remember that the name of the diner he frequents in Woodbridge, NJ is "The REO (Not RIO) Diner" - what is Joe Biden's problem?

-S-

he lies (w/abandon) when he doesn't have to or for the hell of it.
and he can't stop talking.
what is the name of that disorder?

(also, no one at the home depot ever saw him, tho he claimed to hang out there A LOT. ) he just makes stuff up.

414 loflyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:29:36pm

re: #400 JeremyR

I'm racking my brains trying to remember all th abreviations. Forgive me, I was Army, but had many family in the Navy (never again volunteer yourself) and Marines (My ass receives injected Navy equipment, Sir!).
Military ones are as fun as computer ones.

Yaar matey, do a search on Nav-source, it has all the pics and designations. It is the best I have found yet!

415 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:29:41pm
416 gman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:29:50pm

re: #69 grahamski

Not exactly a lie, but when Biden mentioned that his Son was going to Iraq, he failed to mention that it was as a trial lawyer.

I have respect for anyone that would volunteer to serve in the military regardless of whether they are a trial lawer or not.

417 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:30:48pm

re: #401 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This Marine brat happened to go into the Navy, and read about ships since ... well, I remember one picture-book from when I was about 3 or 4 years old.

One whole picture book.... You really must have been in the Navy.... lol...lol...lol...

418 snowcrash  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:32:32pm

re: #413 nyc redneck
It's "truthiness", what you want the facts to be not what they are! Biden lives in the truthy not facty world.

419 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:33:20pm

re: #396 ploome hineni

fwiw

list of Governors from the State of Mississippi

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

ploomie -

My bad - thought we were talking about Alabama. For what it is worth, the first JEWISH "North American" Attorney General was Judah P. Benjamin, CSA.
he was able to flee after the "unpleasantness," became a British Subject, and enjoyed a career as a Barrister until his death. The father of Bernard Baruch was in effect the "Surgeon General" of the CSA. The LATER UNPLEASANTNESS against Jews began AFTER the Civil War as to AFRICANS, different story.

-S-

420 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:33:44pm

re: #415 ploome hineni

So Barney reared his ugly head not only for Herb Moses, but for another Fannie (Mae), and America in general.

421 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:34:09pm

re: #417 doriangrey

One whole picture book.... You really must have been in the Navy.... lol...lol...lol...

That was the EARLIEST book!

LOWFLYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

422 Killian Bundy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:34:12pm

re: #411 JeremyR

Grouchy Old Cripple posted that some time back. great vid.

/two more from the same source, [expletive deleted] the Obama Children can't smell military

423 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:34:32pm

re: #381 Born Again Republican

Good one!

A neighbor was saying they were undecided and I asked if they saw Obama on OReily. No, they hadn't. I told them when Obama was confronted about taking wealth from the rich to give to the poor Obama said "that's our neighborly thing to do." Their reaction was one of disbelief. "He didn't really say that!" Sure did, I retorted. Neighbor said, "that's socialism!" Yup!

Love it when they figure it out themselves!

You betcha!

She's still confused about some issues and not very well informed. She trusts me, so I hope the confusion can be resolved.

The thing is that I've seen a number of people, who usually lean left in their stated beliefs, totally disgusted with the Dems right now and are going to vote Rep for the first time.

There are some folks who will be impossible to talk to. There's one lady at work who is beserk over the idea of Palin because "she's going to destroy a woman's right to choose'. Yeah. Sure. Can't talk to people like that because the choice they mean has NOTHING to do with the choices Palin has made in her life. Well, this lady is in her 60's, unmarried, unhealthy, miserable and one of the rudest people I've ever met in my life.

424 musicman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:35:03pm

re: #415 ploome hineni

I sent it to Drudge.

425 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:35:05pm

re: #421 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That was the EARLIEST book!

LOWFLYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

ow!
ouch!
Dorian, my sides are hurting from laughing!

426 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:35:09pm

re: #413 nyc redneck

nycrn -

TRUE! That is all.

-S-

427 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:35:19pm

re: #386 kansas

The Associated Press assigned five writers to “fact check” the debate, but somehow they missed every single one of these lies and gaffes:

Every single one? Say it ain't so, Joe.

I can't believe that 5 people "missed" these mis-statements. It is more likely that the mis-statements were raised and an editor said, "These are some of Joe's finest moments. If we publish these he will look like an idiot. Let's forget about those."

428 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:36:44pm

re: #425 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ow!
ouch!
Dorian, my sides are hurting from laughing!

ROTFLMAO.... Like I said, pop's did 27 years in the Navy... I had my 20 in before I was 18... So to speak... lol...lol...lol...

429 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:37:18pm

Yaar, mates, are going to hang out here, drink grog, and have a good time, or get serious and go to the next thread? I vote we stand fast and drink!

430 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:38:05pm

re: #429 LoFlyer

Yaar, mates, are going to hang out here, drink grog, and have a good time, or get serious and go to the next thread? I vote we stand fast and drink!

Than pass the grog ya scalawag...

431 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:38:13pm

re: #428 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Like I said, pop's did 27 years in the Navy... I had my 20 in before I was 18... So to speak... lol...lol...lol...

LOL, I know what you mean.

What part of the Navy was he in? What did he do?

432 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:38:19pm
"He was voting on Fannie Mae at a time when he was involved with a Fannie Mae his Fannie was involved with an executive.

re: #415 ploome hineni

Fixed

433 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:39:19pm

re: #392 nyc redneck

Between this Marxist media crap, lying politicians and today's $850B taxpayer a**f***, I'm feeling really pissed off about where I see this country going. I will refrain from saying anything else about that pos Barney, because I've been drinking stuff.

434 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:39:19pm

re: #410 musicman

Boy would the tree-huggers head explode if that were to happen.


Sounds like a win-win-win

435 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:39:24pm

re: #430 doriangrey

Than pass the grog ya scalawag...

Yaar! Here's the pitcher! Don't spill!

436 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:40:02pm

NRO's Rich Lowry is smitten with Sarah...

A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It's one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O'Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.

Any gents here get winked at last night?

437 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:40:31pm
438 Macker  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:40:46pm

re: #288 runrabbitrun

And you better pray to God we don't lose a city or two due to his incompetence.

439 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:40:57pm

re: #429 LoFlyer

Yaar, mates, are going to hang out here, drink grog, and have a good time, or get serious and go to the next thread? I vote we stand fast and drink!


Next thread, one of my favorite topics./

440 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:41:06pm

re: #431 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL, I know what you mean.

What part of the Navy was he in? What did he do?

Radio Operator, Seventh fleet, Served on the USS Denver and the USS Blue Ridge.

441 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:41:18pm

re: #404 DeafDog

It's amazing to me how smooth BHO is on promising everything to everybody. As a former community organizer, he believes it himself.

People need to decide which is more important: liberty or force/intrusion of government.

BTW - It has occurred to me that BHO has never really succeeded very much at anything he's attempted - at least he's not shown the kind of staying power in jobs, etc. that most people show in their career. His career is very fragmented and not noteworthy at all.

442 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:41:42pm

re: #433 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Between this Marxist media crap, lying politicians and today's $850B taxpayer a**f***, I'm feeling really pissed off about where I see this country going. I will refrain from saying anything else about that pos Barney, because I've been drinking stuff.

he needs to be put away.
big house or the nut house.

443 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:42:00pm
444 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:42:23pm
445 Sol Roth  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:42:23pm

Sarah was in Texas today raising money. A local TV news cockroach interviewed some people who couldn't get in to the fundraiser, blah, blah. Then she remarked on how much it cost to get in, $57,000.

No. I got the invitation, it actually was a multi-tiered entry like this:

Chairs - $57,000 per couple
Vice-Chairs - $28,500 per couple
Host - $10,000 per couple
Guest Ticket -
VIP Section 1, $5,000 per couple
VIP Section 2, $2,500 per couple
General Admission, $1,000 per person

Why report only the most expensive tier? It fits their template: Republicans are the party of the rich.

Cockroaches.

446 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:43:14pm

re: #433 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Between this Marxist media crap, lying politicians and today's $850B taxpayer a**f***, I'm feeling really pissed off about where I see this country going. I will refrain from saying anything else about that pos Barney, because I've been drinking stuff.

Interesting to include the a**f*** and Barney in the same sentence. Nice one. LMAO

447 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:43:22pm

re: #429 LoFlyer

Yaar, mates, are going to hang out here, drink grog, and have a good time, or get serious and go to the next thread? I vote we stand fast and drink!

Lemme get some mouldy seabiscuit under m' belt and I'll join you at the rum, matey.

BTW, Pearl Harbor, late 50's, high school years, I went on a British cruiser which was visiting. They had a large polished-oak, brass-bound, tub for the rum. It had a brass plate on the side which said (IIRC) "H.M. The Queen". Very formal. Very traditional. Not certain if it was actually used, but it was there.

448 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:43:26pm
449 Macker  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:43:32pm

re: #415 ploome hineni

......well, guess who Barney Frank is dating?

I dare to say it! This SUCKS!

450 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:44:36pm

re: #445 Sol Roth

Sarah was in Texas today raising money. A local TV news cockroach interviewed some people who couldn't get in to the fundraiser, blah, blah. Then she remarked on how much it cost to get in, $57,000.

No. I got the invitation, it actually was a multi-tiered entry like this:

Why report only the most expensive tier? It fits their template: Republicans are the party of the rich.

Cockroaches.


Michelle Obama was in KC. I don't have the actual figures, but her donations were about the same, 25 G's for a chair, etc.

451 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:47:26pm

how the fck could anyone "date" him?

452 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:47:30pm

Gonna go check out the Creationist Cookbook thread......oh, it says textbook. Never mind. Gonna go drink instead.

453 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:48:00pm

re: #435 LoFlyer

Yaar! Here's the pitcher! Don't spill!

/smacks LoFlyer with a capstan, What do I look like a damned liberal landlubber?

454 Silhouette  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:48:44pm

OT - NEED ASSISTANCE

Does anyone know if Environmental Defense Fund gets any taxpayer money, or does anyone know where I can look up funding for them?

455 kansas  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:48:44pm

re: #451 nyc redneck

how the fck could anyone "date" him?


Carbon dating would work for me. I think that requires complete destruction of the sample.

456 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:48:51pm

re: #449 Macker

I dare to say it! This SUCKS!

I've been totally wrong. For years I've said that the first shots of the first American revolution were fired over gun control and that the first shots of the second revolution would come for that same reason. I now believe that to be untrue.

Unfortunately, I now believe that the second American revolution is at hand and that gun control will be a sub-issue.

457 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:49:29pm

re: #442 nyc redneck

When I get pissed off, I have to go back and find my happy place.

I’m in a rainbow
and I’m feeling mighty good.
Color vibrations passin’ me by
Some going through me not telling
me why
Some slow and some fast
And some teaching me how to fly

Noises to see and colors that sound
Voices from nowhere an yet
so profound
Naming off colors and places
That just can’t be found.

Constantly moving but not knowing where
Gazing at hypnotic things here and
there
And always thinking ahead
Cuz the past couldn’t care

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:49:33pm

re: #440 doriangrey

Radio Operator, Seventh fleet, Served on the USS Denver and the USS Blue Ridge.

I did my sea tour in the Seventh Fleet, USS Hancock., '63/66. BTW, jwb7605 was on the Hancock a few years after me. His squadron's berthing compartments were just aft of the avionics shop I had worked in two years before. How's that for a small world?!

459 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:49:36pm

Popping back in while the BF picks up the take-out.

I was just on boston.com and the #1 Most Emailed Story is Jeff Jacoby's devastating column on Barney Frank's role in the financial meltdown.

That makes my wittle heart go pitter patter.

460 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:50:14pm

i don't want to go over there. i'm not interested in the creationist cookbook.
probably just a bunch of dinosaur recipes.

461 LEGION  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:50:24pm

Rove- "you magnificent bastard"- came up with 10 lies by Biden and about 6 other items he could strongly argue against after the debate on Hannity and Colmes. The MSM is of course ignoring it. Thank-you LGF!

462 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:50:26pm

re: #451 nyc redneck

how the fck could anyone "date" him?

I'm sure Barney has millions and millions of attractive characteristics (well to some anyways).....

463 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:50:28pm

re: #448 ploome hineni

lol

filling their pockets and their...

er

well

/never mind

Sick stuff. I still have a copy of Penthouse (it's not mine I swear) that did the interview with his male prostitute roommate. I read it now and then when I want to creep myself out.

464 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:51:03pm

re: #449 Macker

I dare to say it! This SUCKS!

To quote Dire Straits ... "That's th' way y' do it!"

/I can't believe this gray-headed old fud knew about that song

465 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:51:45pm

re: #415 ploome hineni

......well, guess who Barney Frank is dating?

Now that is not celebrating diversity. I hereby sentence you to 6 months in a Obama Re-Education Camp.

466 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:51:46pm

re: #436 Intrepid

NRO's Rich Lowry is smitten with Sarah...

Any gents here get winked at last night?

'Trep -

IF - the biggest 2 letter word in the English Language - Were it not for my beloved SIMI - I would be free. Were it NOT for her beloved TODD, Gov. Palin would be free. We both have commitments - we both honor them. And then?

-S-

467 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:52:13pm

re: #453 doriangrey

Hey, hey, no flinging of capstans, now, you could put someones eye out like that!

468 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:52:14pm

re: #439 kansas

Next thread, one of my favorite topics./

Arrrr, good luck mate! I have already developed my theory on the subject and have found it valid. I have no desire to express my religious or scientific opinion on the issue. This is a private affair!

469 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:52:22pm

re: #462 doriangrey

I'm sure Barney has millions and millions of attractive characteristics (well to some anyways).....

must be awful to be him.

470 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:53:48pm

re: #447 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Lemme get some mouldy seabiscuit under m' belt and I'll join you at the rum, matey.

BTW, Pearl Harbor, late 50's, high school years, I went on a British cruiser which was visiting. They had a large polished-oak, brass-bound, tub for the rum. It had a brass plate on the side which said (IIRC) "H.M. The Queen". Very formal. Very traditional. Not certain if it was actually used, but it was there.

It had been used, The RN wasn't big on waste back then..Arrrrrr!

471 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:54:19pm

re: #468 LoFlyer

It looks like a ship flying blue colors began to post in the debate on video thread...

Wonder if he has the guts to sail up here.

Oh, I almost forgot. ARRGHHHH!

472 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:54:24pm

GOOSFRABBA!

473 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:54:30pm
474 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:54:31pm

re: #449 Macker

Macker -

Rep. Frank can "date" who he wants. I do not care. As to Public Policy - We just MIGHT Disagree.

-S-

475 Silhouette  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:54:55pm

I'm sure the fact that Barney was sleeping with Fannie Mae had no bearing on his judgment that all was well with that organization.

But the fact that the Sec of State of Florida was Republican proves the votes were falsified.

/

476 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:55:04pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I did my sea tour in the Seventh Fleet, USS Hancock., '63/66. BTW, jwb7605 was on the Hancock a few years after me. His squadron's berthing compartments were just aft of the avionics shop I had worked in two years before. How's that for a small world?!

ROTFLMAO..... you tell me... Birkenstock Cowboy and I were kid's on a man made island just off Key West Florida called Sigsby Island. 67 -69.... Yup, it was a Navy housing complex.......

477 DeafDog  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:55:31pm

...

478 HelloDare  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:55:46pm

I saw An American Carol. Better than I thought it would be. I don't laugh out loud very often in theaters, but I did three or four times today. There are some slow and unfunny parts. The lead actor isn't very good. But overall, I'm glad I saw it.

479 yah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:55:53pm

325 DeafDog

There is something wrong with this deal - the math does not add up. The guys are now only paying $79.00 for the beers - where did the dollar go?

I demand an investigation and congressional hearings.

480 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:56:10pm

re: #441 rightymouse

He has succeeded in a rise to Power in a short period of time. In itself with zero real substantive "change for his constiuents" and lack of promise fulfilled should make Obamatrons wonder.

481 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:56:13pm

re: #453 doriangrey

/smacks LoFlyer with a capstan, What do I look like a damned liberal landlubber?

Okay, ... just EXACTLY how did you get the bloody capstan loose, much less LIFT it?

The capstan is the huge round thing on the deck which you stick the wooden shafts into.

/sheesh! we gotta teach these Navy brats EVERYTHING!

482 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:56:23pm

re: #460 nyc redneck

i don't want to go over there. i'm not interested in the creationist cookbook.
probably just a bunch of dinosaur recipes.

The Batchelor's Dinosaur recipe secrets.
1. grab wallet, grab keys, grab hat, go out
2. grab telephone

483 alien_mind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:57:05pm

did i see someone mention AP and fact checking in the same sentence?
HAHAHAHAHAH!
that's a hoot.
keep those jokes coming.

484 loppyd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:57:12pm

Someone must be asleep at the switch over on Morrissey Boulevard. This letrter to the editor was in today's Boston Globe:

A no-show at foreclosure pity party

I HAVE read countless stories in the Globe written in the same fashion as your coverage of the foreclosure on Rowe Street ("In Roslindale, a dream foreclosed," City & Region, Sept. 26). These stories mock the intelligence of your readers and have diminished your credibility.

The aggrieved parties, Raul and Ana Esquivel, presumably of sound mind, purchased a house for $498,000. The monthly payments roughly equaled their combined monthly income, without considering utilities, insurance, maintenance, and other costs of living such as groceries and transportation.

They, along with Deutsche Bank, share culpability. The bank will take a financial hit in trying to resell an overvalued, overleveraged three-decker near the train tracks, and the Esquivels will find an apartment to rent.

There was no mention of whether the Esquivels had tenants in the other apartments, which would have lightened the burden of their financial mismanagement. From your article, there was only the sound of violins, the chants of City Life activists, and a crying Mrs. Esquivel, whom nobody "helped."

Multiply the Esquivels by hundreds of thousands, and that is why the country is going to suffer for years to come. In the interest of integrity, please provide the relevant details of your chronicles, and stop asking your readers to accept these vignettes as reality.
MARY DiGIOIA
Alpharetta, Ga.

You go, Mary!

I posted the article she is referring to last week.

485 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:57:44pm

re: #436 Intrepid

NRO's Rich Lowry is smitten with Sarah...


Any gents here get winked at last night?

Hubby hasn't seen the debate yet, but he has told me that every man he's spoken to is absolutely in love with Palin. She's pretty, smart, climbed that ladder of success and is now a VP candidate. What's not to love/admire about her?

BTW - I loved that outfit she wore last night. Very classy. Almost a Jackie Kennedy type of fashion sense.

486 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:57:55pm

re: #466 Dr. Shalit

Ah, true love.

:-)

487 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:58:13pm

re: #467 CapeCoddah

Hey, hey, no flinging of capstans, now, you could put someones eye out like that!

That scurvy dog implied that I cant hold me grog... He's lucky I dint tie him to an anchor and toss him over board...

488 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:59:06pm

re: #471 ArmyWife

It looks like a ship flying blue colors began to post in the debate on video thread...

Wonder if he has the guts to sail up here.

Oh, I almost forgot. ARRGHHHH!

Actually 'me beauty, it's Yaaaar! But I will make an exception for an Armywife! Many thanks for your service supporting your husband. 'Me hat's off to you both!

489 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 5:59:27pm

re: #481 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay, ... just EXACTLY how did you get the bloody capstan loose, much less LIFT it?

The capstan is the huge round thing on the deck which you stick the wooden shafts into.

/sheesh! we gotta teach these Navy brats EVERYTHING!

We did not allow the Marines to play with the shafts. Generally warned them about all the dangerous animals that would bite them if they came near the foc'sle, wildcat, monkey's head, jackass, etc.

490 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:00:07pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I did my sea tour in the Seventh Fleet, USS Hancock., '63/66. BTW, jwb7605 was on the Hancock a few years after me. His squadron's berthing compartments were just aft of the avionics shop I had worked in two years before. How's that for a small world?!

Had a nephew in the Corps, and one in the Navy. They were born eight years apart. Both did time in the same cell in SanDiego, but eight months apart.

491 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:00:58pm

re: #480 willowone

He has succeeded in a rise to Power in a short period of time. In itself with zero real substantive "change for his constiuents" and lack of promise fulfilled should make Obamatrons wonder.


Unfortunately, die-hard Dems don't care. They can't wait to get a Dem back in the WH. I suspect they'd vote for Elmer Fudd at this point.

492 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:01:02pm

re: #475 Silhouette

I'm sure the fact that Barney was sleeping with Fannie Mae had no bearing on his judgment that all was well with that organization.

But the fact that the Sec of State of Florida was Republican proves the votes were falsified.

/

And here all along I though Barney was sleeping with Freddie Mac. Hmmm.

493 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:01:15pm

re: #459 loppyd

Thanks for that, loppy, I missed that one. Maybe, just maybe, Barney boy will not be able to survive this storm, and he can go into to oblivion where he never should have emerged from in the first place. We might be rid of one here in Massachusetts after all. (though the lord only knows what will replace him). The guy running for his seat it really unknown, Earle Sholly, but, I know him marginally, not a bad guy and anything is better than Frank.

494 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:01:35pm

re: #481 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay, ... just EXACTLY how did you get the bloody capstan loose, much less LIFT it?

The capstan is the huge round thing on the deck which you stick the wooden shafts into.

/sheesh! we gotta teach these Navy brats EVERYTHING!

I tossed a line over the foresail double half hitched it tied one end of it to the capstan and the other to an anchor, then pushed the anchor over the side...

Hey it was that or tie him to the anchor and toss him over the side.... ;P

495 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:03:12pm

re: #493 CapeCoddah

Thanks for that, loppy, I missed that one. Maybe, just maybe, Barney boy will not be able to survive this storm, and he can go into to oblivion where he never should have emerged from in the first place. We might be rid of one here in Massachusetts after all. (though the lord only knows what will replace him). The guy running for his seat it really unknown, Earle Sholly, but, I know him marginally, not a bad guy and anything is better than Frank.

Better yet, maybe he can end up sharing a cell with Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

496 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:03:45pm

re: #490 JeremyR

Had a nephew in the Corps, and one in the Navy. They were born eight years apart. Both did time in the same cell in SanDiego, but eight months apart.

I had a Department Head who had done a tour as the Commanding Officer of the Navy Brig San Diego, so he took us on a tour. Interesting old fashioned cross bar jail. In demand for movies I was told.

497 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:03:47pm

re: #488 LoFlyer

Thanks! I appreciate that.

I will also work on my pirate dialect. Is there a Rosetta Stone for this?

498 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:04:14pm

re: #492 Cartman

Oh no, it was most certainly a fannie.

499 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:04:31pm

re: #485 rightymouse

She wears clothes well, I must say. The only thing I've seen her wear that I thought was wrong for her was a sky blue jacket. She looks her best in darker, richer colors like red, deep browns, maroons and blacks.

500 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:04:37pm

re: #492 Cartman

And here all along I though Barney was sleeping with Freddie Mac. Hmmm.

Well, he was in arrears with it, so to speak.

501 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:04:50pm

re: #476 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO..... you tell me... Birkenstock Cowboy and I were kid's on a man made island just off Key West Florida called Sigsby Island. 67 -69.... Yup, it was a Navy housing complex.......

WOW

502 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:05:41pm

re: #487 doriangrey

That scurvy dog implied that I cant hold me grog... He's lucky I dint tie him to an anchor and toss him over board...

You two keep that shit up, and you'll both be keelhauled. Then it will be onto shore patrol, hunting down Mooncussers.

503 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:06:15pm

re: #495 doriangrey

Better yet, maybe he can end up sharing a cell with Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

Works for me.

504 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:07:03pm

re: #501 pre-Boomer Marine brat

WOW

Thats what I said. We were talking about hurricanes and I told him that I rode out Camile and he asked where. When I told he he was like... No fucking way... I was there then too...

505 JeremyR  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:07:31pm

re: #496 lifeofthemind

I had a Department Head who had done a tour as the Commanding Officer of the Navy Brig San Diego, so he took us on a tour. Interesting old fashioned cross bar jail. In demand for movies I was told.

Was it arround the time of Desert storm? Both boys got it for punching officers, one an Ensign, the other a 2LT.

506 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:09:05pm

re: #499 Intrepid

She wears clothes well, I must say. The only thing I've seen her wear that I thought was wrong for her was a sky blue jacket. She looks her best in darker, richer colors like red, deep browns, maroons and blacks.

Yes, I can see why the sky blue wouldn't work. A midnight blue perhaps? I remember poor Hillary walking out in some gawd-awful color pantsuit and cringing. WHO DRESSED THAT WOMAN? Yuck!

507 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:09:13pm

re: #500 solomonpanting

Well, he was in arrears with it, so to speak.

*salute*
/compliment

508 Gang of One  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:09:31pm

re: #479 yah

325 DeafDog

There is something wrong with this deal - the math does not add up. The guys are now only paying $79.00 for the beers - where did the dollar go?

I demand an investigation and congressional hearings.

Yeah, I saw that too ...

509 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:09:54pm

re: #497 ArmyWife

Thanks! I appreciate that.

I will also work on my pirate dialect. Is there a Rosetta Stone for this?

Arrr, Mate try this! Haaaar it's damn silly and harmless.....

510 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:10:59pm

re: #509 LoFlyer

Arrr, Mate try this! Haaaar it's damn silly and harmless.....

Along with irritating beyond belief.

511 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:11:30pm

re: #504 doriangrey

Thats what I said. We were talking about hurricanes and I told him that I rode out Camile and he asked where. When I told he he was like... No fucking way... I was there then too...

And THEN he figured out that YOU were that kid who stole his girl friend in the 8th grade, and he hasn't talked to you since.

/just guessing

512 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:11:47pm

re: #507 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why, thank you.

513 CapeCoddah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:12:02pm

re: #510 guzziguy

LOL, You think LO is driving you nuts, look at his link. Its pretty funny.

514 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:13:16pm

re: #511 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And THEN he figured out that YOU were that kid who stole his girl friend in the 8th grade, and he hasn't talked to you since.

/just guessing

ROTFLMAO........ No actually I think he found out I was the little shit dating his sister.... :O lol...lol...lol... Actually I was only 8 years old in 69...

515 willowone  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:13:18pm

re: #491 rightymouse

with the help of our fair and balanced media they just might!

although.. there are many groups i believe organizing against it, and new found friends and some that are even Dems , maybe just maybe we can win in spite of it all.

516 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:16:24pm

re: #514 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO........ No actually I think he found out I was the little shit dating his sister...

And you STILL had teeth left for the surgeon to remove?!?!
Nawwww. No way.

517 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:16:42pm

re: #510 guzziguy

Along with irritating beyond belief.

Arrrr, I am hurt beyond belief with your words. However in honor of the non-partisan relationships and civility of our blog, I will surrender to your demands for the rest of the night....
Yaaaar!

518 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:18:09pm

re: #505 JeremyR

Was it arround the time of Desert storm? Both boys got it for punching officers, one an Ensign, the other a 2LT.

This was in the 80s

519 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:18:16pm

re: #517 LoFlyer

Arrrr, I am hurt beyond belief with your words. However in honor of the non-partisan relationships and civility of our blog, I will surrender to your demands for the rest of the night....
Yaaaar!

Ahh, don't let an old curmudgeon like me ruin your fun. Just stay off my damn lawn!

520 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:18:21pm

re: #517 LoFlyer

Arrrr, I am hurt beyond belief with your words. However in honor of the non-partisan relationships and civility of our blog, I will surrender to your demands for the rest of the night....
Yaaaar!

*grin*
You are hopeless!

521 ArmyWife  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:19:47pm

re: #517 LoFlyer

WHAT? Are you a liberal pirate from the ship Obama?

522 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:20:07pm

re: #515 willowone

with the help of our fair and balanced media they just might!

although.. there are many groups i believe organizing against it, and new found friends and some that are even Dems , maybe just maybe we can win in spite of it all.

We're witnessing massive voter fraud attempts in Ohio on the part of our Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner (D). It's been unbelievable so far.

This morning on the way to work and on the way home (I take a different route home) I counted the number of signs in yards. For every Obama/Biden there were at least three McCain/Palin signs.

We have to win. A Marxist in the WH is completely unacceptable.

523 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:20:13pm

re: #516 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And you STILL had teeth left for the surgeon to remove?!?!
Nawwww. No way.

Cough cough... NO comment...... ;P

524 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:21:11pm

re: #506 rightymouse

Yes, I can see why the sky blue wouldn't work. A midnight blue perhaps? I remember poor Hillary walking out in some gawd-awful color pantsuit and cringing. WHO DRESSED THAT WOMAN? Yuck!

Midnight blue would look great on Sarah, as would a dark purple. Her pale skin tone, dark brown/auburn hair and brown eyes would really come out. It doesn't hurt that she has charm and charisma oozing out of every pore.

Hillary doesn't have a sense of style, I think. Her true hair color is medium brown/dark brown, but she highlights to the point that it looks dyed blond. Kinda messes up her color spectrum, I think. And sadly, Hillary truly missed the charisma/charm bus years ago.

525 doriangrey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:21:21pm

re: #519 guzziguy

Ahh, don't let an old curmudgeon like me ruin your fun. Just stay off my damn lawn!

opps... was that your lawn.... /whistles softly and wanders off....

526 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:21:34pm

re: #473 ploome hineni

what should we call it?

maybe that hustler who was running tricks out of his townhouse could tell us.

527 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:21:45pm

Why did the title of this page change from "ignored by media" to "the Short List?"

528 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:26:16pm

re: #524 Intrepid

Midnight blue would look great on Sarah, as would a dark purple. Her pale skin tone, dark brown/auburn hair and brown eyes would really come out. It doesn't hurt that she has charm and charisma oozing out of every pore.

Hillary doesn't have a sense of style, I think. Her true hair color is medium brown/dark brown, but she highlights to the point that it looks dyed blond. Kinda messes up her color spectrum, I think. And sadly, Hillary truly missed the charisma/charm bus years ago.


I could KILL for Palin's complexion. And I love how she doesn't use bright red lipstick like Hillary does. Hillary didn't have to look so dumpy and non-feminine. I've often thought that she did that on purpose to be more 'manly' which I think was a huge mistake. Still, as you point out, she has no charm/charisma. Palin exudes both in spades. And boy, does she have a wicked sense of humor and a wonderful ability to slide in zingers.

529 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:26:22pm

re: #523 doriangrey

Cough cough... NO comment...... ;P

Y'know ... I posted that with some trepidation. But earlier I'd thought (and was glad) that you seem to be having a great time here tonight. If it's brought some cheer, I happy to have been able to be a part of it.

/get well soon!

530 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:26:44pm

Has anyone leaped over to see how the next thread is doing? I don'wanna....

:-0

531 LoFlyer  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:26:55pm

re: #520 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
You are hopeless!

Damn right, PBM, most people would of quit or died with what I do day in and day out. I do a lot of laughing, people are generally good, its the equipment that fails....

532 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:28:01pm

re: #525 doriangrey

opps... was that your lawn.... /whistles softly and wanders off....

hmmm, what is that over there by the mailbox post?
*GASP* ... DORIAN! ... YOU DIDN'T!

533 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:29:19pm

re: #530 Intrepid

Has anyone leaped over to see how the next thread is doing? I don'wanna....

:-0

For the love of God man,don't

It's U-L-G-Y

534 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:29:34pm

re: #532 pre-Boomer Marine brat

hmmm, what is that over there by the mailbox post?
*GASP* ... DORIAN! ... YOU DIDN'T!

Let's see, where did I put that box of 12 ga. reloads done with rock salt?

535 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:29:58pm

re: #530 Intrepid

Has anyone leaped over to see how the next thread is doing? I don'wanna....

:-0

I'm about to go over for look-see, but haven't yet.
I'm letting it ferment.

536 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:30:51pm

re: #532 pre-Boomer Marine brat

hmmm, what is that over there by the mailbox post?
*GASP* ... DORIAN! ... YOU DIDN'T!

Shhhhh!,maybe he wont notice ;>}

537 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:31:02pm

re: #534 guzziguy

Let's see, where did I put that box of 12 ga. reloads done with rock salt?

Just remember it was Dorian, and not me!

/ducking anyway

538 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:32:50pm

re: #530 Intrepid

Has anyone leaped over to see how the next thread is doing? I don'wanna....

:-0

I checked and came back.

539 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:33:02pm

re: #534 guzziguy

Let's see, where did I put that box of 12 ga. reloads done with rock salt?

Uh-oh, busted.

540 MJBrutus  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:33:25pm

re: #524 Intrepid

And sadly, Hillary truly missed the charisma/charm bus years ago.

It's because her history is one of anger and grievance. Like most libs. You know, rather like Wright who is animated by anger at the evil, white oppressor. Her roots are anger at the evil, white male oppressor (never mind her marriage to such a critter). Deep-seated resentment and charm don't go together. This year's Hillary is a carbon copy of Slick Willy's "moderate," but it's not who she really is and the mask would have dropped if she had won.

541 pepper  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:34:14pm

Wow, Barney Frank's relationship and FNMA
say it ain't so ....Where is the ethics hearing...recusal please

542 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:35:42pm

I just went swimming in the fever swamps of IndyMedia, had a good laugh, and now I'm back here. Who has the fruit cup?

543 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:37:18pm

re: #541 pepper

Wow, Barney Frank's relationship and FNMA
say it ain't so ....Where is the ethics hearing...recusal please

Oh no, the pattern is
1. Republican caught is some stupid scandal. Resigns in shame.
2. Democrat caught in some stupid scandal. Promotion Barney's stock just went up

544 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:37:19pm

re: #533 x-wing

For the love of God woman,don't

It's U-L-G-Y

Fixed it fer ya!

;-)

545 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:38:02pm

re: #542 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I just went swimming in the fever swamps of IndyMedia, had a good laugh, and now I'm back here. Who has the fruit cup?

Watch out for that stuff over by guzziguy's mailbox. It's NOT a fruit cup.

546 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:38:31pm

re: #538 rightymouse

I checked and came back.

You lived! Hooray! Need a stiff drink?

547 rightymouse  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:39:50pm

re: #546 Intrepid

You lived! Hooray! Need a stiff drink?

lol!

Going to bed and read for a while.

See ya later. :)

548 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:40:17pm

re: #547 rightymouse

lol!

Going to bed and read for a while.

See ya later. :)

Later!

549 guzziguy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:40:43pm

Ahh, here they are. Rock salt reloads delivered by an antique Ithaca pump 12 ga. Beautiful engraved receiver and all.

Damn kids!

550 synergist  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:43:10pm

re: #300 Gang of One

I agree. It will end disastrously for all of us by 2012.

Pelosi and Reid would ordinarily find it impossible to run the country under any circumstances, and especially with barely a double digit approval rating. You do need some political currency to get your way in Washington, and even Bush has been succeeding in pushing through most of his initiatives until the end - Nancy is simply not that effective at doing what she's supposed to do.

Now Congess's credibility is making its final swirls around the bowl, with most productive (R) & (D) Americans despising the bailout in their own ways. The vast number of citizens who rejected the concept of the bailout are a lot smarter than their employees on Capital Hill, and I don't believe the remainder of the Dem facade will last for long. If Obummer wins, things ought to get pretty hairy in D.C. before too long.

551 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:43:31pm

re: #544 Intrepid

Fixed it fer ya!

;-)

Please accept my humble appologies.

/but you could picked a more girlie nic, ;>}

552 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:44:17pm

Has anyone ever heard of the Cloward-Piven strategy from the 1960's? There is a really good article at the following site:

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

It is history repeating itself $700B times over. The forces behind the strategy seem to be extremely familiar names and it even includes George Soros.

553 right_in_canada  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:53:11pm

re: #155 solomonpanting

OT:

Much is made of the fact that Palin is Governor of a state with a little over 600,000 people. Her position actually requires executive decision-making.
Biden is Senator of a state with a population of less than 800,000. What's the most pressing decision he must make, ham and eggs or pancakes in the morning?
We all know that as goes Delaware so goes the nation.


Sounds like exciting place , gave us Joke Biden ... pay attention especially the end. :-)

554 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:55:07pm

re: #486 Intrepid

Ah, true love.

:-)

"'trep'" -

Assuming you are a male, as i do, and you and she were free - tell me you wouldn't - and if you do - I call HORSEHOKEY, a/k/a POOP.

-S-

555 Sylvester_T_Cat  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:57:45pm

re: #454 Silhouette

OT - NEED ASSISTANCE

Does anyone know if Environmental Defense Fund gets any taxpayer money, or does anyone know where I can look up funding for them?

Not sure about the taxpayer money, but EDF does seem to be hooked onto the leftist funding faucet pretty solidly.

If you haven't had a chance to check the "Discover the Networks" site yet, there does seem to be a lot of information on EDF available:

Environmental Defense Fund

556 Blastforth  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:57:51pm

Biden is a compulsive liar. Here's an oldy but a goody:

557 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 6:59:36pm

re: #551 x-wing

Please accept my humble appologies.

/but you could picked a more girlie nic, ;>}

Hey! What's unfeminine about being strong and courageous? Not to mention the fact that the USS Intrepid is referred to as a "she"? heh

No worries, though. Most folks make the same assumption you made. It don't matter ta' me, really.

558 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:01:41pm

re: #554 Dr. Shalit

"'trep'" -

Assuming you are a male, as i do, and you and she were free - tell me you wouldn't - and if you do - I call HORSEHOKEY, a/k/a POOP.

-S-


See #544, bad call on my part too. This anon internet can be frustrating sometimes.

559 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:04:23pm

re: #554 Dr. Shalit

"'trep'" -

Assuming you are a male, as i do, and you and she were free - tell me you wouldn't - and if you do - I call HORSEHOKEY, a/k/a POOP.

-S-

Ya see, Dr S - you made an assumption that I am a man, and that just isn't true! I just have a nic that implies strength and courage, which are neither male nor female. But those are qualities I aspire to daily.

Therefore, I "wouldn't", as I'm not attracted to other women in that way. Although I will cop to harboring a bit of a girl crush on the Alaska Gov. As would probably most women on this board. LOL

:-)

560 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:04:59pm

re: #557 Intrepid

Hey! What's unfeminine about being strong and courageous? Not to mention the fact that the USS Intrepid is referred to as a "she"? heh

No worries, though. Most folks make the same assumption you made. It don't matter ta' me, really.


I knew I shoulda added ducking for cover.

I was funnin' ,I love strong women. Just the nics' are hard to tell who's who.

561 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:07:43pm

Charles -

I had an epiphany after 9/11 as did you with the MSMedia and its patronizing me regarding the reasons for terrorism etc...

However, I just had my 2nd one after listening to and watching Fox News Infomercial for Sarah Palin post debate - she was "phenomenal" and won the debate? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I come from a small town btw (graduated with 70 kids) and anyone on here since 9/11 knows my 9/11 Republican stature....but her patronizing, preening, played up "folksie" act [golly gee, gotchya, you betchya] was ridiculous! it insults my intelligence! She acted just like a fomer newscaster playing a part.

I was voting McCain for sure thanks to foreign policy etc... but after witnessing that VP Debate and the Infomerical that followed on Fox News I'm probably going to vote for Obama...

Now she's blaming katie Couric for "tricking" her for looking like an absolute fool in a softball interview where she couldn't go on script and answer any question a 9th grade honor student could answer!

Come on Charles I'm with you 85% of the time... but R U KIDDING ME WITH HER? And John McCain has truned into a shell of his former self like that sleezeball Rove's got his hand up his back.

Mike Nargizian
LONG TIME READER/COMMENTER

562 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:07:58pm

re: #558 x-wing

See #544, bad call on my part too. This anon internet can be frustrating sometimes.

We should ask Charles to give us colors like his posts have. His is blue, and for the women - we could be gold; the men could be green.

Then we wouldn't have to worry about pronouns and such. And I'll betcha we'd be surprised about many lizards.

563 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:09:04pm

re: #561 Mike Nargizian

Found a handy dead thread, did you?

564 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:10:30pm

re: #563 Intrepid

Was that a hit and run?

565 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:11:11pm

re: #564 flynmudd

Was that a hit and run?

Looks like it. And it was a BOLDY one too!

LOL.

566 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:11:33pm

Rovian Derangement syndrome rears its head.

567 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:11:57pm

re: #565 Intrepid

Nice ship. My son is on the USS Ramage. See my nic for my hero.

568 right_in_canada  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:12:34pm

re: #192 Lizard by the Bay

The fix is in, but it doesn't really need to be anymore. Republicans don't want to fight to win elections. They just want to act genteel, get depressed when the other side doesn't play it genteel, and simply do nothing when the press lies, their opponents lie, and they start having to go along with the big lies because they spent so long not countering them.

Screw the Republican party. I didn't give them a cent this year. Why should I let them waste my money when I know they don't fight to win anything? Why should I give money to the political equivalent of battered housewives or abused puppies, who only roll over and lick the hands of the media and Dems who just kick them some more?

It's one thing to say, "I wish the Republicans would stop bringing swords to a gunfight," but really if they showed up with swords, knives, letter-openers, or even sporks it would be an improvement. This year they've shown up for the election season withn nothing but limp dicks in their hands. For the party that actually endorses Viagra, I've never seen so many limp dicks in my life.

They deserve to lose this year. Actually, they deserve to lose every year until they're prepared to fight again. Perhaps the party needs a cleansing. Vote out all the old blood, and keep them out of office till they die off, or dry up and blow away. Then maybe there will be a new generation of Conservatives with fire in their bellies. One can dream.

But I'm through with McCain. Actually, I'm through with all of them. McCain for quitting Michigan. This whole election comes down to winning 2 out of 3 critical swing states (MI, PA, OH), and McCain just pissed one away, giving him no margin for error in PA (all of this is assuming he wins FL, which he may not now). He's toast. Then there's all the better candidates (Giuliani, Romney) who ran such shockingly bad, head-up-their-asses primary campaigns. Really, '08 has been a piss poor year for the GOP, and Obama will successfully blame any of his poor performance in years 1 and 2 on Bush, so forget '10 too. Someone wake me in '12 if our party has found its balls by them.


The truly ironic thing about the GOP this election year is the only one that has the balls to fight their opponents is a woman.

569 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:13:16pm

re: #568 right_in_canada

How right you are in so many ways.

570 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:14:49pm

re: #567 flynmudd

Nice ship. My son is on the USS Ramage. See my nic for my hero.

Good looking sailor there! My thanks to him for his service to our country.

I chose the nic before I found out about the ship, actually (on another board). But I've read about her, and she served us well in battle and continues to serve as a museum. I'd like to take a tour one day.

571 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:17:59pm

re: #570 Intrepid

My son took me on a tour of his ship. I couldn't stand how closed in it was. He says he is used to it. Three hundred men all squished up on a ship. I guess I would not make a good sailor myself.

He's out in the ME somewhere right now. He wrote me earlier this week and said a couple of weeks ago they were in Israel and he and his friends went on the Jesus walk. I had to laugh.

572 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:20:37pm

re: #562 Intrepid

We should ask Charles to give us colors like his posts have. His is blue, and for the women - we could be gold; the men could be green.

Then we wouldn't have to worry about pronouns and such. And I'll betcha we'd be surprised about many lizards.

I've lurked here for awhile, and I'd bet you're right. I see how people express themselves and something in my head clicks and I I try to determine whether they are male or female. Sometimes it works and obviously sometimes it doesn't. And believe me, I've been caught more times that not thinking that a guy was a girl. But they were all Liberals. Go figure.

573 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:22:56pm

Hit and Run?
No - go back and do a search on my name and see how far back my comments go to like to 2001.
so yeah a hit and run going back 7 years.... nice try though...

Mike Nargizian

574 FrogMarch  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:23:25pm
575 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #559 Intrepid

Ya see, Dr S - you made an assumption that I am a man, and that just isn't true! I just have a nic that implies strength and courage, which are neither male nor female. But those are qualities I aspire to daily.

Therefore, I "wouldn't", as I'm not attracted to other women in that way. Although I will cop to harboring a bit of a girl crush on the Alaska Gov. As would probably most women on this board. LOL

:-)

'''trep'" -

Strength is NOT Male or Female. It is the absence of weakness, the willingness to say a LOUD NO to being victimized.

-S-

576 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:26:14pm

re: #573 Mike Nargizian

Hit and Run?
No - go back and do a search on my name and see how far back my comments go to like to 2001.
so yeah a hit and run going back 7 years.... nice try though...

Mike Nargizian

So you're voting Obama. Good luck with that. Thanks for your previous support,you must be a person of principle.

577 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:28:48pm

re: #575 Dr. Shalit

'''trep'" -

Strength is NOT Male or Female. It is the absence of weakness, the willingness to say a LOUD NO to being victimized.

-S-

Hear! Hear!

No victim here.

578 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:30:15pm

re: #561 Mike Nargizian

You're no conservative.

579 Palandine  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:31:50pm

re: #561 Mike Nargizian

Sure, because of Sarah Palin you'll vote for a guy who
*will raise your taxes
*will appoint at least two socialist justices for life
*will destroy your 2nd amendment rights
*will weaken this country's defense
*will roll back free speech rights

Sure you were going to vote for McCain before he picked a conservative. Sure you were.

580 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:32:35pm

re: #573 Mike Nargizian

Hit and Run?
No - go back and do a search on my name and see how far back my comments go to like to 2001.
so yeah a hit and run going back 7 years.... nice try though...

Mike Nargizian

And? So you've posted here for 7 years. That's not a cover. You now want to vote for a guy who wants to sit down and talk to our enemies in Iran and Syria. Congratulations on flushing your "9/11 Republican stature" down the toilet.

581 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:36:42pm

re: #578 Sharmuta

You're no conservative.

No, but he's a LONG TIME READER AND COMMENTER!

In his book, that counts for something. In my book, that means he knows his argument needs to be backed up by pedigree.

He's appealing to his own authority. What he really has is his own opinion, which he states as fact.

Never wise, never.

Not here. If he'd truly been lurking all these years, he'd know that.

582 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:39:01pm

re: #561 Mike Nargizian

Yes Mike.

By all means, please switch, albeit painfully, to the Obama ticket. Better your intelligence be not insulted with common folk flavor during a debate.

I can see, given the unfair press Obama has had to endure as it relates to his dealings with Ayres, Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, etc, we should expect nothing less.

For anyone with half a brain, your circumlocution, and detestation for jocularity, how could we doubt such an epiphanous pedigree to arrive at any different conclusion?.

583 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:41:38pm

re: #573 Mike Nargizian

You have been only registered since 2004. What happened in the intervening years of 2001 and 2004 when you registered? Were you just a lurker or something?

585 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:44:21pm

I love Jackie Mason

586 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:44:55pm

re: #584 Cap'n DOC

Wicked! I wonder if it would hurt more than a .45? If Obama wins, my first stop is at the gun dealers.

587 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:45:15pm

re: #561 Mike Nargizian
Go over to obambis website then. I take it you like socialism.

588 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:45:52pm

I'm not a big fan of Obama that's why I wanted to vote for McCain.
But I don't like having Kool Aid force fed down my fin throat. Don't force feed me Sarah Palin and don't tell me that this is the same John McCain.

I don't like being lied to... and having my intelligence insulted.

She's a phony and an act and a bad one at that... would you feel comfortable with her being Predient of the fin United States?

You tell me that I can vote for a Biden and McCain ticket and I'm ok with that... otherwise the choices suck... you want to drink the Jim Jones Kool Aid Fox News blatanltly just dished out? Kool Aid is Kool Aid.. the MSM were dishing it out post 9/11 but that doesn't mitigate the Kool Aid Fox News Infomercial dished out after that debate...

589 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:46:25pm

re: #584 Cap'n DOC

I'm gonna toss this one in here - just because. Biden may have been seen as throwing sharp lies around, but here's something that even Sarah approves of, and it's way better than anything Biden has. MOF, I think he's been SHAFTED.

Holy Crap! Joe Biden would run screaming while tearing out his plugs if he'd seen that monster! Him and his Beretta.

It's like a computerized bow. I betcha Sarah could take down a moose with that baby.

590 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:46:57pm

re: #587 pingjockey

Actually, he likes Joumanna.

591 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:47:10pm

re: #581 Intrepid

He sounds no different than those idiots that write into a newspaper or go on a radio show and say. "I've been a Republican all my life but ______"
fill in the blank with Dem. talking points.

We'll have to come up with a word that describes these kinds of people,unless there already is one that I haven't heard yet.

592 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:47:42pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

More, please.

593 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:48:35pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

"She's a phony and an act..."
Specifics, man, we want specifics.

594 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:49:13pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

I'm not up on all of the text lingo.

What is a fin throat, and a fin United States?

595 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:49:13pm

re: #583 flynmudd

You have been only registered since 2004. What happened in the intervening years of 2001 and 2004 when you registered? Were you just a lurker or something?

Oh wait are you playing the "gotchya media" to quote Sarah Palin... hockey mahm...
Correct I was proably reading prior to that but I believe I was registered as early as 2002... not sure...

596 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:49:18pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

Troll.

597 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:50:18pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian
Mwahahaha! You're not a big fan of obambi but you're gonna vote for the empty suit anyway.

598 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:50:23pm

re: #561 Mike Nargizian

I was voting McCain for sure thanks to foreign policy etc...

So what about his foreign policy changed since last night that would change your voting preference?

599 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:50:26pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

Yeah- because 0bama's not lying to you. LMAO!

600 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:50:57pm

re: #599 Sharmuta

This made my night.

I think I am going to go get a lime beer.

601 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:51:19pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

She's a phony and an act and a bad one at that... would you feel comfortable with her being Predient of the fin United States?

She's the most popular governor in the country, and the people of Alaska feel comfortable with her. Quite frankly, you're the one who has been sipping the kool-aid. Ahh, but you're too intelligent to see it.

602 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:52:02pm

re: #601 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I think that's what scares him the most.

603 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:52:12pm

re: #600 formercorpsman
don't get the bud lite version, it is fit for marinating beef and pork, not for drinking!

604 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:52:41pm

re: #603 pingjockey

I think it is the michelob brand.

BRB.

605 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:53:11pm

re: #595 Mike Nargizian

Oh wait are you playing the "gotchya media" to quote Sarah Palin... hockey mahm...
Correct I was proably reading prior to that but I believe I was registered as early as 2002... not sure...

Than why don't you just go back to reading? Your voice was heard and put on record.

606 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:53:28pm

Yes, Michelob.

607 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:53:37pm

re: #604 formercorpsman
That may be better. don't know. The better half bought some of the bud kind and it was vile.

608 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:54:23pm

re: #588 Mike Nargizian

Your "intelligence" is insulted by a strong, principled woman then? A governor who has the approval of over 80 percent of the residents of her state? Many of those points from even the democrats there?

You don't like someone who wants to keep taxes low in order to grow businesses and jobs? Who believes in a strong military? Who believes in absolute support for Israel?

You'd rather have a marxist/socialist as POTUS, with a VPOTUS who outright lies and muddles things so badly that sometimes he is incomprehensible?

You detest Sarah Palin for being "folksy"? And charming? When her principles and stance on many issues are so much closer to keeping our country safe than Barack Obama's will ever be?

Go ahead and vote for Obama, sir. But do not insult the rest of us who still value our constitution and freedoms (and safety!) by your continued blather.

609 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:54:34pm

re: #595 Mike Nargizian

July 2, 2004 was when you registered in case you are interested in the fact of the matter.

610 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:54:43pm

Gah! ABC interviewing Cindy McCain and the WAB.

611 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:55:11pm

No mention of William Ayres, of course.

612 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:55:20pm

re: #607 pingjockey

Actually, it is the Ultra Lime Cactus.

Not bad.

613 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:55:38pm

its hilarious that you guys want to play your Bush Derangement Syndrome game wtih me... you just make yourself look foolish... you need someone to dump on... not that I care... my readership here going back to the beginning crescendo of lgf stand on their own...
Have a good night.

614 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:55:48pm

re: #603 pingjockey

don't get the bud lite version, it is fit for marinating beef and pork, not for drinking!

Thank you, I was thinking of buying a case to give it a try. You saved me twenty-two bucks.

615 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:56:24pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

Don't leave so soon, we need a troll to play with! Did we hurt your feelings?

616 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:56:39pm

re: #609 flynmudd

To be honest, I think there was an upgrade Charles might have done along the way, or a crash, and that was a starting point date again for those who lost information.

Nonetheless, what is your rating?

617 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:56:42pm

OK - For what it is worth - the late former President Ronald Reagan averred that we had a Rendezvous with History -meaning a "Meet-Up" - NOT a "Vacation." Live your life accordingly.

-S-

618 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:57:16pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

Come on Mike.

You can do better than that.

619 Palandine  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:57:26pm

re: #595 Mike Nargizian

Good. Go to myBO.com and share your newfound purity there. I'm sure they'll lap it up.

Quitter. God, I'm so sick of wussy men.

Now is the time to stand, and the best you can come up with is "Wah, I don't like that she says 'you betcha'."

Good for you. You'll grow to love Dear Leader Obama's stutter, I'm sure.

Pansy.

620 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:57:38pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

If you have no specifics to support your 'phony' assertions, just say so.
Or retreat again into silence, it's your choice.

621 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:58:40pm

re: #620 jaunte

622 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:58:55pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

its hilarious that you guys want to play your Bush Derangement Syndrome game wtih me... you just make yourself look foolish... you need someone to dump on... not that I care... my readership here going back to the beginning crescendo of lgf stand on their own...
Have a good night.

Toodles' don't hurry back now,ya hear.

623 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:58:58pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

its hilarious that you guys want to play your Bush Derangement Syndrome game wtih me... you just make yourself look foolish... you need someone to dump on... not that I care... my readership here going back to the beginning crescendo of lgf stand on their own...
Have a good night.

Who's talking about Bush?
Perhaps the disease is PDS?

624 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:59:05pm

re: #614 x-wing
formercorpsman says the Micheloeb isn't bad. I'd say trust 'doc'.

625 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 7:59:33pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

Have a good night.

I hope you have a soft pillow for your big brain, Obot.

626 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:00:39pm

re: #616 formercorpsman

Let me check, I haven't been here long. According to my nic I have been registered here since Feb 2008. I waited two long years to register if my memory serves me correctly. I used to be a Freeper and they started to get on my nerves.

I have always been a conservative. I was chased out of Virginia by the liberals and moved back to sanity this year to Texas. Never going back!

627 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:00:51pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

its hilarious that you guys want to play your Bush Derangement Syndrome game wtih me... you just make yourself look foolish... you need someone to dump on... not that I care... my readership here going back to the beginning crescendo of lgf stand on their own...
Have a good night.

"You all are so stupid because you just don't get Barack's nuanced positions. You're just taking it out on me because I told you the TROOF! I'm better than all of you because I've been reading here since Calvin Coolidge was POTUS, and because you're such doody heads I'm going to take my ball and go home!

HAAARUMPH!"

Joe Biden would have done better last night if he'd used your debate tactics, Mike.

628 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:01:14pm

re: #619 Palandine

Palandine -

"MyBO.com" - harrumph -

1. My B.O. is my business.

2. I bathe daily - SO - My B.O. - is minimal.

-S-

629 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:01:38pm

You know, it is probably not the best thing, even if there is an element of truth, to be throwing down your credentials card, when you decidedly lurk anymore.

It is funny when surfing, some things that might attributed to that search out there.

630 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:02:03pm

Hmmm....either mike has decided to join the dark side or always has been a sith. either way..1)I talk to much 6k comments in a couple years or 2)Mike doesn't talk 640 comments in 4 years.......

631 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:02:58pm

re: #626 flynmudd

Nah my friend. My eyes are getting old, and I can't see your "rating" on your sleeve in your picture.

632 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:03:49pm

re: #624 pingjockey

formercorpsman says the Micheloeb isn't bad. I'd say trust 'doc'.

Oy vey, to many hangovers with Michalob. I can handle Bud-Lite in the A-B stock but that's about it.

/sorry for the oy-vey I'm not even Jewish

633 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:04:45pm

re: #608 Intrepid

Your "intelligence" is insulted by a strong, principled woman then?


yeah that must be it..

You don't like someone who wants to keep taxes low in order to grow businesses and jobs? Who believes in a strong military? Who believes in absolute support for Israel?


no check check and check on all 3
I want someone President who can actually conduct a simple conversation without memorized talking points... and I like Bush but she's off the charts...

You detest Sarah Palin for being "folksy"? And charming?


No for being a phony and an actor.... and then telling me that Katie Couric tried to "trick" her by asking her about a or any SC decision?
And bcs Obama has positions that concern me doesn't excuse or cancel out her incompetence and phonieness.

Go ahead and vote for Obama, sir. But do not insult the rest of us who still value our constitution and freedoms (and safety!) by your continued blather.


that would be the Constitution she doesn't know a thing about and wrongly cited in the debate btw... she "musta mis remembered her talking points oh golly gee Joe Six Pack... Robin"

634 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:05:51pm

Holy Runnin' Off at the Mouth! I have 9,783 frakkin' comments. This here LGF is a very serious addiction. I need a gov't grant to study this problem. 10 million oughta do it.

635 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:06:33pm

re: #632 x-wing

You spelled it Michalob.

For all you know, you might have some Jewish ancestry.

636 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:07:39pm

re: #613 Mike Nargizian

its hilarious that you guys want to play your Bush Derangement Syndrome game wtih me... you just make yourself look foolish... you need someone to dump on... not that I care... my readership here going back to the beginning crescendo of lgf stand on their own...
Have a good night.

That's the crux of your argument? To claim you've been at LGF for 7 years. That's pretty weak and isn't a cover. You want to talk about insulting the intelligence of others? That's exactly what you've done by holding up your LGF "creds". Pathetic.

637 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:07:43pm

re: #631 formercorpsman

I have made a total of 387 posts since February 2008. My nic is a picture of my son on the day he was deployed, August 29, 2008. I usually post when I have something to contribute, otherwise I learn from the masters. My father always told me I would learn more by listening to others and then form my own opinion. I prefer to surround myself with people that think logically. I'm not much into the touchy feely crap.

638 Mike Nargizian  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:08:23pm

WOW THE FLOOD HERE IS AMAZING to witness it from the other side... bcs i don't buy into that phony Sarah Palin act I'm suddenly a MSMeida elite liberal LOL! bcs I'm horrified at the thought that she could be President at any time let alone now..

639 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:08:23pm

re: #633 Mike Nargizian
Obambi has NO executive experience. None, zip, zero, zilch, nada, nil.

640 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:08:27pm

re: #633 Mike Nargizian

You don't like someone who wants to keep taxes low in order to grow businesses and jobs? Who believes in a strong military? Who believes in absolute support for Israel?

no check check and check on all 3

Then you're not a republican.

641 I Need A Bigger Gun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:08:41pm

re: #80 Tarkloon

Sarah Palin: Poorer than Joe Biden, but more Charitable.

Liberals are only charitable with other people's money, not their own.

642 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:09:28pm

re: #641 I Need A Bigger Gun

'Not a Phony' Evidence, exhibit 1

643 Palandine  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:09:33pm

re: #628 Dr. Shalit

Palandine -

"MyBO.com" - harrumph -

1. My B.O. is my business.

2. I bathe daily - SO - My B.O. - is minimal.

-S-

It's immature of me, but I love calling it myBO.com.

/If it smelled like Obama, it's probably cigarettes and arrogance.

644 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:09:43pm

re: #637 flynmudd

Good for you man. Give your son our best.

Good job on the offspring.

645 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:10:08pm

re: #638 Mike Nargizian
I would much rather have her as president than someone who has terrorists and America haters for advisors and confidants.

646 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:10:15pm

re: #644 formercorpsman

Thank you sir. Back at you.

647 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:10:49pm

re: #638 Mike Nargizian

Mike, call up the bullpen.

648 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:11:01pm

re: #633 Mike Nargizian

re: #640 Sharmuta
You don't like someone who wants to keep taxes low in order to grow businesses and jobs? Who believes in a strong military? Who believes in absolute support for Israel?
no check check and check on all 3

Then you're not a republican.


If I'm reading him correctly, he's agreeing to the three points by saying "check" (yes) to all three.

649 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:11:54pm

re: #648 solomonpanting

Do you suppose it's just a woman thing?

650 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:12:00pm
I want someone President who can actually conduct a simple conversation without memorized talking points

Yes and your new candidates, uh ,um,er,ehehehe,ah. sounds so good to the ear.

/rolls eyes

651 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:13:31pm

re: #640 Sharmuta

Then you're not a republican.

He sure acts like an O sockpuppet, by crackey ;)

652 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:13:49pm

re: #648 solomonpanting

I read it as a "no" check, hence the use of "no".

653 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:14:55pm

re: #633 Mike Nargizian

For someone so concerned about acting you sure picked the wrong candidate. But then it seems all you want is slick packaging without bothering to worry about really what is inside.

654 Syrah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:15:49pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

The elections have a way of triggering the sleepers.

655 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:16:22pm

re: #648 solomonpanting

Perhaps you're reading is correct, but then Mike would be falling victim to the same thing he seems to think Sarah suffers from, which is not speaking clearly. That would be ironic.

656 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #649 flynmudd

Do you suppose it's just a woman thing?

There's always that possibility, but I have no idea. She's more qualified than Edwards four years ago and I really have trouble remembering any attacks upon him for his inexperience.

657 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:16:57pm

re: #653 FurryOldGuyJeans
Obambi is not acting. Puppets/marionettes don't act, they're controlled by someone behind the scenes.

658 Spirit93  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:17:05pm

re: #595 Mike Nargizian

Mike, all presidential campaigns are political circuses, nothing new about that. You need to ignore all the crap that gets flung about by the media and the campaigns. These candidates all have histories and that's where the truth is.

Since you seem to have a problem with SP I'll address that specifically. Look at her history. She has led a good life and accomplished a great deal (Family, successful business, Governor of Alaska, etc). She is obviously a person with very high ethical standards and courageous (cleaned up corruption in Alaska). As stated above by others, she has a very high approval rating in AK. Did all the Alaskans drink the FOX Koolaid? If she had made any serious mistakes in her life, you can bet we would know about it. So to answer your question, yes I would be very comfortable with her as president because I know that character is what counts not having the correct answer to some biased "gotcha" media quiz show question (speaking of which you do know that Biden screwed up left and right during the debate, right?)

659 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:17:21pm

re: #635 formercorpsman

You spelled it Michalob.

For all you know, you might have some Jewish ancestry.

Must be the Bud-Lite typing, but my ancestors did come from Germany in the late 1700's and I don't know where the Jews were at that time.

I did ask my parents once,where my big nose and big ears came from, and they said it was the German trait. Who was I to argue.

660 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:17:29pm

re: #656 solomonpanting

She's prettier than Edwards too.

661 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:17:34pm

re: #591 x-wing

He sounds no different than those idiots that write into a newspaper or go on a radio show and say. "I've been a Republican all my life but ______"
fill in the blank with Dem. talking points.

We'll have to come up with a word that describes these kinds of people,unless there already is one that I haven't heard yet.

Rush Limbaugh calls them "seminar callers."

662 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:18:24pm

re: #591 x-wing

He sounds no different than those idiots that write into a newspaper or go on a radio show and say. "I've been a Republican all my life but ______"
fill in the blank with Dem. talking points.

We'll have to come up with a word that describes these kinds of people,unless there already is one that I haven't heard yet.

Liars?

663 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:18:57pm

re: #662 FurryOldGuyJeans
"Useful idiots".

664 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:19:33pm

re: #659 x-wing

Well, you could be Italian also.

665 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:19:57pm

Mike is a fan of Obama's commanding style and likable presence. So much a fan of style that he doesn't care if his foreign policy might be dangerous.

666 Palandine  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:21:10pm

re: #651 FurryOldGuyJeans

He sure acts like an O sockpuppet, by crackey ;)

I just googled the name, and he _didn't_ used to be like this. Big supporter of Israel, at least 2 years ago. I can't feature it--throw your vote over to an unqualified socialist because of an unsubstantiated opinion that you find the GOP VP candidate a phony--a candidate who's shown herself to be a stalwart supporter of Israel, among her other credentials. This is very strange, but we live in strange times.

667 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:21:20pm

re: #660 flynmudd

She's prettier than Edwards too.

Yeah, Edwards just isn't my type.
:O

668 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:22:07pm

re: #665 jaunte

Mike is a fan of Obama's commanding style and likable presence. So much a fan of style that he doesn't care if his foreign policy might be dangerous.

Well, the O's style is impeccable when he is firmly attached to a working teleprompter. Remove him from his natural habitat and he starts acting like Windows®.

669 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:22:37pm

re: #668 FurryOldGuyJeans

Uh, um, uh... well, uh,..

670 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:23:01pm

Actually, if you search his name, it will produce numerous hits with certain conservative attributes.

But for a critical thinker to post such a screed as he did, and declaring he is not falling for FOX, Rove, or the folksy charm of Palin, thus he needs to vote Obama in order to cleanse his political soul, it would seem he forgot to apply those same standards to whom he now claims to vote for.

Pretzel logic.

671 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:23:23pm

re: #665 jaunte

Mike is a fan of Obama's commanding style and likable presence. So much a fan of style that he doesn't care if his foreign policy might be dangerous.

But he has 7 years of LGF 9/11 republican creds, yo. 7 years.

672 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:24:01pm

re: #671 Sharmuta

Authorita!

673 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #670 formercorpsman

Actually, if you search his name, it will produce numerous hits with certain conservative attributes.

But for a critical thinker to post such a screed as he did, and declaring he is not falling for FOX, Rove, or the folksy charm of Palin, thus he needs to vote Obama in order to cleanse his political soul, it would seem he forgot to apply those same standards to whom he now claims to vote for.

Pretzel logic.

Either he is doing deep cover sarcasm, or he has been taken over by the pod people.

674 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:24:29pm

re: #667 solomonpanting

Yeah, Edwards just isn't my type.
:O


Not my type either. I like men.

675 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:24:56pm

re: #664 formercorpsman

Well, you could be Italian also.

I do like ba-sketti ;>}

676 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:04pm

re: #673 FurryOldGuyJeans

And the worms ate into his brain....

677 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:09pm

Nargizian was previously ranting about how Buchanan was OK and against "zionists". I call troll.

Stinky can you hear me?

678 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:26pm

re: #674 newsjunkie_ky

ANNE!

679 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:27pm

re: #672 jaunte

High five!

680 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:39pm

re: #667 solomonpanting

Mine either. I prefer real men. A man that will hunt for dinner, and I don't mean at the grocery store.

681 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:44pm

re: #665 jaunte

Mike is a fan of Obama's commanding style and likable presence. So much a fan of style that he doesn't care if his foreign policy might be dangerous.

"Commanding style?" Yeah, able to command legions of simple-minded dolts who chant, "Yes, we can." What exactly are they able to do?

"Likeable presense?" He's a punk, seasoned in Chicago-style dirty politics, who sneers at those who didn't go to Ivy-League schools.

Too bad his dopey followers don't realize he despises them.

682 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:25:54pm

re: #679 Sharmuta

Sharmuta Clique!

683 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:26:11pm

re: #677 lifeofthemind

Linky....... oh Linkeeee.....

684 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:26:13pm

re: #674 newsjunkie_ky

Not my type either. I like men.

Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

685 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:27:49pm

By crackie, I think Mikey has convinced me to vote for Obama!

Why, that Sarah Palin, well she's just...she's just...umm...she's just...umm...she's just stoopid! Yeah, that's it!

/seminar poster mode off

686 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:27:56pm

re: #681 Florida Lady

I was quoting from a Mike Nargizian's remarks from this comment thread:
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Personally I think Obama is a major phony and one of the hollowest men to reach his level of political power in a very long time.

687 x-wing  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:28:28pm

re: #674 newsjunkie_ky

Not my type either. I like men.


AH, that was a burn to the seventh power. Damn. nice shot

688 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:29:12pm

re: #685 Cartman

7 years of LGF 9/11 republican cred. 7 years!

689 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:29:17pm

re: #677 lifeofthemind
Excuse me, against Zionists? Hmmm. Where's my damn membership card?
Ah, here it is, next to my Retired Navy ID card, VFW life member and NRA membership cards.

690 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:31:30pm

re: #689 pingjockey

What ship were you on sir?

691 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:32:11pm

re: #688 Sharmuta

7 years of LGF 9/11 republican cred. 7 years!

Whatever will we do to counteract such a depth and breadth of knowledge and experience? Yikes!

///

692 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:32:43pm

re: #573 Mike Nargizian

Hit and Run?
No - go back and do a search on my name and see how far back my comments go to like to 2001.
so yeah a hit and run going back 7 years.... nice try though...

Mike Nargizian

Called that bluff.
See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and
See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

693 nyc redneck  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:33:21pm

re: #674 newsjunkie_ky

Not my type either. I like men.

LOL,

me too.

694 Cartman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:34:22pm

re: #688 Sharmuta

7 years of LGF 9/11 republican cred. 7 years!

Must have emerged from the LGF primordial ooze.

695 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:35:09pm

re: #692 lifeofthemind

Called that bluff.
See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and
See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Quit being so mean throwing facts back. That just means you are a mean Zionist Republican that wants to keep everyone but rich people down.

///

696 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:35:53pm

re: #689 pingjockey

Excuse me, against Zionists? Hmmm. Where's my damn membership card?
Ah, here it is, next to my Retired Navy ID card, VFW life member and NRA membership cards.

Did you get your check last month? These guys just can't figure out direct deposit and they plan to Take Over the World?

697 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:36:10pm

re: #690 flynmudd
USS O'Brien DD975
USNS Range Sentinel T-AGM 22
USS Miller FF 1093 IIRC
USS Valdez FF 1096 IIRC
USS Chancellorsville CG 62
The reason the 2 frigates are (IIRC) is because I wasn't ships company in Newport RI, I was on shore duty and got Shanghied to ride the reserve frigtes to augment the active duty crew!

698 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:36:16pm

re: #694 Cartman

Must have emerged from the LGF primordial ooze.

Can't say he intelligently created his creds out of whole cloth, eh?

699 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:37:30pm

re: #696 lifeofthemind
Nope. The accounting/payroll dept sucks ass.

700 Florida Lady  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:38:37pm

re: #686 jaunte

I was quoting from a Mike Nargizian's remarks from this comment thread:
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Personally I think Obama is a major phony and one of the hollowest men to reach his level of political power in a very long time.

I know that, jaunte . . . :-)

I was being sarcastic about Mike Nargizian's transparent devotion is to The One.

701 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:38:38pm

re: #697 pingjockey

Thank you for your service sir. My son is on the USS Ramage DDG61 stationed in Norfolk, VA. He became a shellback last deployment.

702 solomonpanting  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:41:00pm

re: #699 pingjockey

Nope. The accounting/payroll dept sucks ass.

Haven't you heard? There's a credit crunch plaguing the country.

703 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:41:25pm

re: #701 flynmudd
Mwhahahahaha! Crossing the equator and becoming an honorable and trusty shellback is an ancient and hallowed tradition.

704 formercorpsman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:41:33pm

Cheap date tonight.

One beer.

Take it easy folks.

705 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:43:42pm

re: #704 formercorpsman
Nite Doc.

706 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:44:20pm

re: #10 MJBrutus

For my entire life, I never really believed that it could happen here. I was acquainted with Stalin and Orwell's novels, but I never thought that I could actually see it happen here before my eyes in the US of A.

I want to scream at people with Obama signs on their cars or in their yards. I never felt like this before. I mean, if a Nazi ran for President as a Republican I would vote for the Democrat (that's exactly what Republicans did, in fact, in Louisiana, when the glib, prettied up Klansman David Duke ran as Republican--they knew an ordinary crooked Democrat was better than a racist piece of shit calling himself a Republican). The Democrats are running a race-baiting, class-baiting, Communist thug for President. Decent Democrats should be rejecting him in droves. Independents should be rejecting him in droves. The choice should be crystal clear--a war hero whose honor and patriotism cannot be doubted or a man with little experience who has spent his whole life hanging out with communists, radicals, criminals, corrupt politicians, and America-haters? Uh ... duh?

But they're not rejecting him in droves. Instead he's moving ahead in the polls. Can we really blame all of this on the MSM's biased coverage? Or is it simply no longer true that most Americans believe in the things that made America great, and would prefer to give up capitalism, their individual liberties, and their national soveriegnty and become part of the cradle-to-grave nanny state collective?

707 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:45:32pm

re: #697 pingjockey

USS O'Brien DD975
USNS Range Sentinel T-AGM 22
USS Miller FF 1093 IIRC
USS Valdez FF 1096 IIRC
USS Chancellorsville CG 62
The reason the 2 frigates are (IIRC) is because I wasn't ships company in Newport RI, I was on shore duty and got Shanghied to ride the reserve frigtes to augment the active duty crew!

Did you go anywhere interesting?

Old 1052 class ships at least had a gun, better than the Perry class. The Knox class were McNamara's brainchild. He saved money by realizing the most expensive part of the ship was the shaft so he built ships with one screw. Heard horror stories of warships unable to get underway because the wind shifted.

How did you like the Chancellorsville? Pretty soft?

708 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:46:16pm

re: #703 pingjockey

He said that it was rough but great. He's an OS3 and loving every minute of it. He "visited" 7 countries the first time and has "visited" 3 so far on this trip. He is seeing the world, the good and the bad. I think he said that Jabuti(sp?) was the worst place they stopped on his last deployment.

Again, thank you for your service.

709 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:50:31pm

re: #707 lifeofthemind
The Knox class had a bad habit of dropping the "load" at very inopportune times. Plus these were reserve frigates so the crew was 1/4 of normal. The reservists would come in on weekends and go out for two weeks to honor their commitment. The Chancellorsville was just a better armed, heavier Spruance class DD. The USNS was a missle tracking ship in Cape Canaveral and that was cushy. As an E-5 I had a stateroom to myself! Ran by the Military Sealift Command, only 35 regular navy.

710 martinleaf  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:51:54pm

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Biden Gaffe that Pakistan has the means to deliver nukes to Israel? As far as I know, Paks missles armed with nukes cannot reach Israel.

711 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:52:56pm

re: #633 Mike Nargizian

Dang, dude! What happened to your "Good Night" just a while ago?

You came back because you just couldn't stand it, you just had to see what the stupid LGFers were saying about your deep, deep pearls of wisdom.

Hah - you thought Palin was the one who misunderstood the constitution last night? She was bang on! It was Joseph Biden, Esq. who got it wrong. Look it up - he was wrong.

Honestly, why do you torture yourself reading here, if you really believe the things you're saying?

Admit it - you have a bad and apparently terminal case of PDS.

Many of us here do not have that disease, and will support the ticket that will keep us a constitution-based representative republic: McCain/Palin.

712 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:53:43pm

re: #708 flynmudd
Thank you. Your son is getting one hell of an education and won't realize it till later. When he sees and appreciates what we have here compared to some of the places he will see. Appalling, abject poverty due to corruption, ignorance, a belief system living in the 7th century, no hope of anything better due to dictatorship, etc....

713 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:54:31pm

re: #708 flynmudd

He said that it was rough but great. He's an OS3 and loving every minute of it. He "visited" 7 countries the first time and has "visited" 3 so far on this trip. He is seeing the world, the good and the bad. I think he said that Jabuti(sp?) was the worst place they stopped on his last deployment.

Again, thank you for your service.

Ah a "Scope Dope" in Combat, they get in trouble because they do half of what the officers do and then have to train them. At the same time working so close with the junior officers can rub off their magic and leads some OS3s into trouble. Patience will work wonders. The key is to treat the Ensign not as what he is but as what he wants to be.

The Hell Hole is the former French Somalia, now Djibouti. Right on the Horn of Africa.

714 pingjockey  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:55:07pm

Night folks, see ya tomorrow.

715 lifeofthemind  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:57:34pm

re: #714 pingjockey

Night folks, see ya tomorrow.

Good idea, I'll turn in also.


Goodnight folks

716 jaunte  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:57:43pm

A comment on the media ignoring that which they do not wish you to be aware of:
"You know for sure that Palin won bigtime when the MSM news outlets have to bury it as if nothing happened.
This reminds me a lot of how my friends in the old Soviet Union used to assess the importance of various issues: if Pravda (which means "truth" in Russian) promoted something, they knew it was just more of the same old communist propaganda; if they ignored or minimized some issue, they knew something very big was going on that the propaganda machine didn't want them to know about."
Dr. Sanity
[Link: drsanity.blogspot.com...]

717 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 8:58:40pm

re: #674 newsjunkie_ky

Not my type either. I like men.

O SNAP!

Heh.

718 I Need A Bigger Gun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:00:06pm

re: #147 MacGregor

Same in Connecticut. We can check a web page to see if we're needed the night before. We used to have to show up to be told.

In Orange County, Fla, you call the courthouse after 5 PM the day before you're supposed to report to see if you're still needed. Most of the time lately, I have been. Over the last five years, I've had jury duty on both Valentine's Day and my birthday. Blech...

719 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:00:56pm

re: #713 lifeofthemind

He likes training the officers the least. Sorry for the spelling. My son said that place was just awful. He said that the government keeps the citizens drugged so they don't realize how bad off they are. They live in shacks with dirt floors and if they are lucky they have a pillow and a blanket. He has a new appreciation for being an American. Some in this country just don't realize how good they have it here.

720 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:01:36pm

re: #714 pingjockey

Good night sir.

721 Scion9  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:02:34pm

re: #303 Racer X

Thanks for the info. I was just wondering if this could be why McCain is NOT making this an issue.

Didn't read the whole thread, so don't know if this has been clarified.

The '05/06 legislation went to committee. To pass committee and go to the floor it required at least 60% of the vote, meaning all the Republicans and at least one Dem had to vote to take it out of committee.

All the Republicans voted Yay, and all Dems voted Nay. No matter what, not one Dem out of 9 would cross party lines to vote for increased regulation, so the bill died in committee.

The fact that Republicans 'controlled' Congress is a total misrepresentation of how Congress works, as they didn't have a filibuster proof supermajority. Dems unanimously shot down any attempts to handle this issue and just watched the train wreck happen.

The 'facts' in the article are technically true, but are deliberately misleading.

722 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:02:49pm

A 3 hour tour... A 7 year moby.....

723 Syrah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:07:11pm

Oh Snap!

Third times the charm.

/way OT, but amusing.

724 Syrah  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:10:27pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

A 3 hour tour... A 7 year moby.....

A sleeper.

Dormant till triggered.

725 wright1  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:12:21pm

This is OT but man, I just say O'Reilly rip Barny Frank. I know I am later to the game on this one but wow. That was worth the price of admission. If only O'Reilly could have some more facts rather tha be a one trick pony. Still, very, very refreshing.

726 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:14:59pm

Just read on the Hillary Clinton Forum - the Michigan GOP is not giving up on campaigning in MI, and stated so today. They even issued an invite to Sarah and Todd Palin to come there.

So even though the McCain campaign announced they were pulling out of MI, the GOPers there are still fighting!

And if they get the 'Cuda and First Dude there, they might still stir things up.

727 wright1  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:16:34pm

re: #608 Intrepid

Your "intelligence" is insulted by a strong, principled woman then? A governor who has the approval of over 80 percent of the residents of her state? Many of those points from even the democrats there?

You don't like someone who wants to keep taxes low in order to grow businesses and jobs? Who believes in a strong military? Who believes in absolute support for Israel?

You'd rather have a marxist/socialist as POTUS, with a VPOTUS who outright lies and muddles things so badly that sometimes he is incomprehensible?

You detest Sarah Palin for being "folksy"? And charming? When her principles and stance on many issues are so much closer to keeping our country safe than Barack Obama's will ever be?

Go ahead and vote for Obama, sir. But do not insult the rest of us who still value our constitution and freedoms (and safety!) by your continued blather.

Well said. I am getting really tired of the intelligencia and elites putting her down. As much as they hate her, I and many other Americans despise their snarkey, smarmy, cynicism - go Sarah!

Sadly I live with the elites on the northeast - ugh. But I have Faith in the rest of the country.

728 flynmudd  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:16:38pm

re: #721 Scion9

I think the dems did this on purpose myself. I believe that it was their plan all along. I just finished reading Strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis the Cloward-Piven strategy.

Fascinating article: [Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

It pretty much explains how they did it and why they did it.

729 wright1  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:19:39pm

re: #726 Intrepid

Yep, that is the interview on Drudge - good for her - start fight'in McCain and if you are too damn tired then send Sarah!

730 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:33:03pm

re: #326 Wishing

I Need A Bigger Gun- why in the world would you ding this comment down?

731 I Need A Bigger Gun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:35:06pm

re: #341 Athos

"We call her a ship in the Navy....."

That's right; a boat is something that sinks on purpose (a submarine). But don't ever let a bubblehead catch you calling a sub a "ship".

732 Intrepid  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 9:37:57pm

re: #730 Sharmuta

I Need A Bigger Gun- why in the world would you ding this comment down?

I dinged it up just now. Dunno why anyone would ding it down, unless there is a personal vendetta going on there.

Every little bit helps in persuading folks to vote Mac/Sarah.

733 guest77  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 10:06:09pm

Actually, it is not an anti-Palin article, it is an anti-female article by someone who should know, another female.

Although I am not female, I kind of agree with the authors premise. There are probably a large number of other females who do not like Palin because of jealousy. As the author concedes, Palin is both hot and confident. It probably does not help that Palin is happily married to a handsome, apparently faithful guy who does not mind being Mr. Mom. I would add charismatic to the list

In short, Palin has the life most women crave but not that many achieve and there are probably many women who are jeolous of her. In contrast, since Hillary lacks these traits, there are few if any women who would be jeolous of her.

734 Scion9  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 10:26:31pm

re: #366 ploome hineni

what is the basis of morality to the atheist?

the 10 commandments?

You do realize this is essentially the inverse of the 'Maher' argument regarding morality, right?

Are you saying that the basis for a theists morality is scriptural? Meaning, that if you had taken that person out of a religious environment they would have grown up believing it moral to lie, cheat, steal and kill with impunity?

That religious people in general are inherently immoral without a holy book telling them how to live their lives?

In truth, 'do unto others' is inherent to humanity in general and is the source of morality for everyone. Religion may codify the concept of the inclusiveness of a society based on a shared ideal, but it isn't the only source of this mindset. Religion is as capable of being retrograde as it is liberating (and not just Islam).

The same Judeo-Christian cultural roots that brought us the Constitution also brought us the Communist Manifesto. Both make claims of Self-Evident Truths (which is a notion even Edmund Burke rejected), the latter making no solid claims on a Creator though. The Collectivist ideology inherent to Communism is a lot closer to what is presented by most religions (which is a big reason why Communist ideology views religion as a competitor ) including Christianity than the Individualism espoused by our founding documents and their inpiration philosophies.

Locke may have believed in God and Unalienable Rights derived from a Creator, but he also believed in Civil Rights that extend from a social contract willingly entered into by all participants in a society to gain mutual benefit, and not from a God.

It is worth noting that Deists didn't believe in the supernatural, and people like Jefferson didn't believe in the Ten Commandments origins as being delivered by God and didn't believe that Moses ever talked to God at all, so where did their source of morality come from?

Taking a sociological look at various religions and cultures, there are plenty that have strong 'conservative' values such as a core belief in the family unit as the building block of society, the sanctity of all human life, etc that aren't inherent in their scriptures like they are in Christianity (or have no revealed scripture at all for that matter).

The decay of morality in America and Europe alongside the decline of Religion is deceptive, and it isn't a strict cause/effect scenario . The spread of Collectivism and its associated societal ills are the catalysts for this decay, not an absence of a revealed scripture as part of our upbringing. A cultural rejection of the very notion of individual liberty and the fact that living free means having responsibility.

I live in a crime-ridden big city in a very Blue State, and the Collectivist Liberals running (ruining) the show here are very religious. They walk the moral highroad, and only they have the narrative of what is the absolute, objective truth.

It wasn't until the Democrats stood against Western cultural and traditional family values that the Bible Belt/South went Republican. Up until then, they were Collectivsts (and a lot still are). It was these same very religious, very Collectivist Dem States that pushed for Jim Crowe, Segregation and Slavery before that. It wasn't the Church dynamic pushing this and it isn't the lack of a church dynamic doing it on the coasts now.

735 HD Woman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 10:30:48pm

This is a bit OT (if OT really means off thread as I have guessed)
Have you guys seen this?

[Link: allafrica.com...]
The EFCC, following public outcry against the event, had invited Okereke-Onyuike for questioning.
Okereke-onyuike was invited by the EFCC on Wednesday August 20, after she organized a widely criticized fundraiser under the banner of a group called "Africans for Obama."

Many critics had questioned the legality of her fundraising for Senator Obama, described as violation of US law, which forbids American politicians from receiving campaign donations from outside the US. The fundraiser reportedly garnered about N100 million (approximately $900,000 The Obama campaign had swiftly disowned Okereke-Onyiuke's fundraiser, which reportedly garnered about N100 million (approximately $900,000) through a scathing letter addressed to a Nigerian newspaper.

The DG NSE, in defence of her action had insisted that, the fund would was not intended as campaign contribution to the Obama Campaign group.

Think his fundraising abilities will go down now that some of his sources have been outed?

736 I Need A Bigger Gun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 10:32:11pm

re: #595 Mike Nargizian

Oh wait are you playing the "gotchya media" to quote Sarah Palin... hockey mahm...
Correct I was proably reading prior to that but I believe I was registered as early as 2002... not sure...

You're not sure of much, are you?

737 I Need A Bigger Gun  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 10:51:59pm

re: #730 Sharmuta

I Need A Bigger Gun- why in the world would you ding this comment down?

Sorry, hit the wrong button and didn't really pay attention to what I did. Saw your comment and went back and corrected it. My bad...

738 melinwy  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 10:57:18pm

wow just heard OJ convicted on ALL counts!

739 HD Woman  Fri, Oct 3, 2008 11:05:14pm

re: #738 melinwy

wow just heard OJ convicted on ALL counts!


GOOD NEWS is always welcome. :)

740 pokeefe  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 5:46:48am

Biden's errors of fact are indicative of the widespread acceptance of bullshit as a legitimate sales tactic.

Thank the advertising industry, among others.

741 DrCruel  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 8:34:15am

Actually, the medi hasn't entirely ignored teh issue. I saw a news talk show yesterday, where the pundit claimed that Biden was being overly and unfairly scrutinized by the blogosphere, which was making far too much of some minor "misspeakings".

All the while he got approving nods from Jim Lehrer.

742 littleO  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 11:05:46am

In the last dozen years the media has grown more blatant in their support for one philosophy of governing over another. They are willing to use their considerable power to the task of fundamentally changing our form of government.
The leaders of the democrat party along with the majority of what has become identified as the main-stream-media (MSM).And, we should not leave out the bureuacratic Department of Education and the National Teachers Assoc. who have contributed mightily to the decline in educational standards over the past fourty years.
Tag team all that with the financial bail outs, so far, in '08.With the increase of 10's of billion more in '09, our socialist entanglement will
certainly overcome our increasingly,sentimental, capitalistic remnant.
On the part of the Republican party dissent from this onslot of socialistic leaning government, suffice it to say that in the long run the Republicans were inelegant in their defence of their position. In some cases totally deficient. In other cases republican, as some Democrats , are merely opportunistic, parasite.
This is the reason we have slid to the depths of our problems. But, the solution which demands constriction of our money supply,and persuit of conventionally conservative fiscal policies, would now be far too dramatic for American society
So, it may very well be that the combined sources of the 'left' may very well have won. Until, of course, they lose the inevitable war like every other socially activist experiment in the past 150 years.
Its not that Capitalism is so wonderful. Maybe it needs tweaking. But, it seems to work toward more oportunity for more people. And, better than anything else.

743 Alone in NY  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 2:38:26pm

Joe Biden...windbag.

744 Mike Nargizian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 3:52:10pm

re: #583 flynmudd

You have been only registered since 2004. What happened in the intervening years of 2001 and 2004 when you registered? Were you just a lurker or something?

Yeah, guess you look like the fool just from doing a cursory search I found an entry in 03 and I distinctly remember entires prior to that namely the Passover bombings in March 2002. So go be the troll you are and search for those.
Pipes to Be Appointed (August 12, 2003)

745 Mike Nargizian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 4:05:27pm

re: #692 lifeofthemind

Called that bluff.
See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and
See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You cite 2 posts where I mocked Buchanan for being a brown shirt palecon who penned an article accusing Israel of being behind the murder of Harriri before the blood was even dry on the streets of Lebanon and that I posted on it at a blog as well back then.

You then cite a comment I made mocking a so-called "progressive" zionist who mocks the "trading of baseballs cards" when talking about Israel potentially trading 2 cold blooded Palestinian murderers for 2 Israeli kids kidnapped while on IDF guard duty?

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
a) that you're a lazy moron who actually thinks that those were my earliest comments here?
b) that you're a moron and somehow read those comments as if I was supporting Buchanan or Silverstein, both of whom Charles has savaged here as well.
c) that you wanted to show off to your "on line buds" that you could put together a comment with links in it too! wow using Charles's new easy made tools too!

Get a clue before you jump on the bandwagon because now you just look like the moron that you invariably are...
Holy Golly Gee Joe Six Pack Robin!

746 Mike Nargizian  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 4:39:53pm

And here's another hat tip I got from Charles and you can read my comments as well in the thread.... go forth and learn trolls....
maybe you'll learn something outside of your mindless retarded group think.
NYTimes Whitewashes Joseph Massad

747 grahamski  Sat, Oct 4, 2008 5:38:06pm

re: #416 gman

I have respect for anyone that would volunteer to serve in the military regardless of whether they are a trial lawer or not.

You miss the point.


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