What the hell is wrong with these people?

My guess is Leftitis. Symptoms include hypocrisy and tolerance towards that which is intolerable, among others. Side effects may include casting votes for 0bama....repeatedly.

“Religion and Democracy in the Middle East: A New Generation of the Muslim Brotherhood Takes the Stage”

A "new generation" preaching the same "old" message of violence and oppression.

UC Irvine Department of History

Oh man that hurts...

Why are the new threads all depressing news? Bleah.

Well, Columbia invited Ahmadinejad, and Yale let in that Taliban spokesman so Harvard wouldn't get him instead.

Is higher education really such a good idea?

Darn...WAKE up America..

Time for an earthquake.......

A co-worker's daughter wants to attend UC-Irvine.

Fortunately, this individual listens to me on political matters.

Pepperdine?

I wonder how tolerant they would be toward Al Hirsi? IIRC spelling. Or some on else with a very different point of view? Not so much would be my guess, riots, etc...

re: #8 Noam Sayin'

Hillsdale

re: #10 samsgran1948

I'll see what I can do.

So a Muslim is unhappy because the USA, in his opinion, stifles democracy which is the goal of the Brotherhood.....

This is the guy whose phone number is at the bottom at the link above:

Biography:
Mark LeVine is a leader of the new generation of historians and analysts of the modern Middle East and Islam. LeVine spent over a dozen years living, researching and reporting from the region, including Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, the Persian Gulf and Morocco. Working in Arabic, Hebrew, Turkish, and Persian, as well as Italian, French and German, he has interviewed senior international political figures, reported from Beirut's green line, taught Qur'an to Muslim Brothers, performed from Woodstock to Paris to Damascus Gate, lived next door to Hamas mosques, stood against bulldozers, dodged terrorist bombs, and uncovered damning files in dusty archives. He knows the history, politics, religions–and most important, the peoples–of the region as a friend, but with a highly critical eye.

There's a photo of him too.

re: #9 pingjockey

There is no way they'd invite Ayaan. All hell would break loose.

It’s an odd form of democracy they want—the freedom to vote in a regime that would end voting forever.

And Rabbit Bait will be there to certify the election.

re: #14 Sharmuta

There is no way they'd invite Ayaan. All hell would break loose.

Yup... Tolerance of me but not of thee....

re: #13 wrenchwench

This is the guy whose phone number is at the bottom at the link above: "He knows the history, politics, religions–and most important, the peoples–of the region as a friend, but with a highly critical eye."

In my experience, friends never make good critics.

Whats wrong with these people?
The same thing thats wrong with people making children sing 'for Obama', and the same thing thats wrong with those who isntruct youngsters to become a semi-military outfit 'for Obama'.
The same thing that was wrong in italy and Germany with peoples inviting Nazis and Fascisti into their universities, listening to their programme - and voting for them.

We know how it ended then - seems that the lessons of history are very difficult to learn.
Palin's quote of what Reagan said the other night was spot on: each generation has to fight for their freedom, freedom is not inherited, not handed from one generation to the other on a plate.

This is the foe of freedom this generation has to fight, in all its forms.

(On a practical note: perhaps some undercover attendants might find out a bit more about those muslim brotherhood internet activities ...)

Hey, it's in Kalifornia, ... remember?

re: #13 wrenchwench

He taught the koran? Then he's a muslim. I don't believe they allow infidels to teach the koran to muslims.

re: #14 Sharmuta
I wish I had a college and could invite her to speak. Damn.

think they've read the looming tower?

What freedom..... nothing left to lose

re: #20 Sharmuta
It may depend on how much sucking up said individual has done.

Even though everything this joker says is going to be a lie, it still won't be as amusing as this famous liar.

re: #24 pingjockey

I don't think so- I think it's haram.

re: #8 Noam Sayin'

A co-worker's daughter wants to attend UC-Irvine.

Fortunately, this individual listens to me on political matters.

Pepperdine?

US Air Force Academy?

re: #26 Sharmuta

Then he must be a muslim...he floats!

re: #13 wrenchwench

This is the guy whose phone number is at the bottom at the link above:

There's a photo of him too.

From the link:

Twilight of Empire: Responses to Occupation, the first comprehensive analysis of the realities and impact of the US invasion of Iraq, was co-edited with Viggo Mortensen and Pilar Perez, was published by Perceval Press the same year, and features leading scholars and activists from the US and the Muslim world writing about the US occupation of Iraq (including Naomi Klein, Mike Davis, Nadia Yassine, Jerry Quickley, Amir Hussein, Jodie Evans, Amb. Joseph Wilson, and a breathtaking collection of photographs of post-invasion Iraq taken by Linsey Addario.

Viggo Mortensen? Huh?

re: #29 MandyManners
The actor? WTH?

re: #8 Noam Sayin'

Go Waves! (I'm an alumnus and I turned out ok.)

re: #13 wrenchwench

This is the guy whose phone number is at the bottom at the link above:

There's a photo of him too.

"LeVine is an intellectual giant. The most important book I've read in a long time." Jon Elliott, Air America Radio

re: #29 MandyManners

Viggo Mortensen? Huh?

Probably "peer reviewed" by Sean Penn.

re: #18 yma o hyd

Whats wrong with these people?
The same thing thats wrong with people making children sing 'for Obama', and the same thing thats wrong with those who isntruct youngsters to become a semi-military outfit 'for Obama'.
...

I saw that video of the "drill team." We have an MLK interfaith service/scholarship award ceremony at our synagogue. One year, one of the churches brought a "drill team" just like the guys in the video. Except they were chanting Jesus slogans rather than Obama slogans. So this approach isn't an "Obama exclusive." (Maybe you already knew this.)

re: #32 MandyManners

"LeVine is an intellectual giant. The most important book I've read in a long time." Jon Elliott, Air America Radio

Which explains why so many are becoming anti-intellectual. Can't say I blame them. To quote an entrenched Fascist puppet of many centuries ago, "Your many letters have driven you mad!"

re: #27 experiencedtraveller

US Air Force Academy?

If they're Jewish, somewhere else. Maybe Naval Academy or West Point.

For aljazeera:

It was quite a week for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president.

First he faced down the president of Columbia University and a host of hostile questioners in Harlem.

Then he headed down to Midtown Manhattan, where for 45 minutes he held the world's attention at the United Nations, before heading farther south, to Caracas, Venezuela, for talks with his close ally, President Hugo Chavez.

Local papers, such as the Daily News and The New York Post, featured headlines announcing that "The Evil has Landed" and lambasting the "Mad Iran Prez" for his past denials of the Holocaust, refusal to unequivocally renounce a quest for nuclear weapons, and call to have Israel "wiped off the map" (an inaccurate translation of the Persian "bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad," which is better - but less violently and therefore less usefully - rendered in English as "erased from the page of time" or "fate").

Even Lee Bollinger, the president of Columbia University, introduced him with an unprecedented - and to the minds of many academics, not to mention Iranians, uncouth - verbal attack, accusing him of being little more than a "petty dictator".

In its critiques of Ahmadinejad's speech at Columbia, the mainstream US press focused most of its attention on Ahmadinejad's tendentious claim that "there are no homosexuals in Iran" (belied by an evening stroll through Tehran's famous Daneshjoo Park), and his attempt to redefine his position on the Holocaust (it happened, but more research is needed to know its true extent).

SNIP

re: #26 Sharmuta

I don't think so- I think it's haram.

Q. 56:78, "let none touch it but the purified"

This does not stop Islamic booksellers from selling translations of the Qur'an, commentaries, and other explanatory material to infidels. Also it does not stop informal discussion of the Qur'an between infidels and believers. Plus sura 56 is, by tradition, early and so subject to abrogation.

I've seen Q. 56:78 used by two groups: Shi'a sectarians commanding that their translations and commentaries don't get out among the general public (classic ketman), and Ikhwan types who refuse to let infidels teach as authorities on the book.

Viggo Mortensen's higher education:

His family moved to Venezuela, Argentina and Denmark, settling in Argentina, where he learned Spanish. His father managed chicken farms and ranches in Argentina.[4] They remained there until Mortensen was age eleven, when his parents divorced and his mother moved back to New York. He moved with his father to Copenhagen, Denmark. Mortensen and his father eventually went back to the United States where Mortensen graduated from Watertown High School, Watertown, New York. After high school, he returned to Denmark, and became a truckdriver in Esbjerg, Denmark, before, again, returning to the United States to pursue an acting career. He attended St. Lawrence University in Canton, New York, earning a bachelor's degree in Spanish. He chose that subject because he could get good grades without a lot of study, leaving him free to be in a lot of plays. At his commencement, he refused to wear an academic gown because they were made by sweatshop workers.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #29 MandyManners

From the link:

Twilight of Empire: Responses to Occupation, the first comprehensive analysis of the realities and impact of the US invasion of Iraq, was co-edited with Viggo Mortensen and Pilar Perez, was published by Perceval Press the same year, and features leading scholars and activists from the US and the Muslim world writing about the US occupation of Iraq (including Naomi Klein, Mike Davis, Nadia Yassine, Jerry Quickley, Amir Hussein, Jodie Evans, Amb. Joseph Wilson, and a breathtaking collection of photographs of post-invasion Iraq taken by Linsey Addario.

Viggo Mortensen? Huh?

Medea Benjamin too

re: #32 MandyManners
Any one from Err Amerikkka who says some asshat is an intellectual giant is speaking of someone who doesn't have brains to pour piss out of a boot without written instructions!

A complete unwillingness to face the truth and do a damn thing about it... that's what's wrong with these people.

Lenin called them "useful idiots." They might also be called "tools."

It's not exactly reassuring that his concept still bears fruit.

re: #41 pingjockey

Any one from Err Amerikkka who says some asshat is an intellectual giant is speaking of someone who doesn't have brains to pour piss out of a boot without written instructions!

Fixed.

Useful idiot repeating the lie that 600,000 Iraqis have died.

It wouldn't be quite so intolerable if these universities were equally as eager to give the Israelis and even some plain vanilla American conservatives a platform.

Wilders opts for political gains that come at the cost of long-term strategic interests, such as mutual understanding and peaceful co-existence

-Ibrahim El Houdaiby

Perhaps we need to clarify exactly 'peaceful co-existance' means.

re: #44 victor_yugo
oops! Thanks. Why is the name Medea Benjamin ringing alarm bells in my head?

I'll be steering clear of Irvine next Wednesday...

Better yet, I'll go into Irvine and stroll through the campus with my new lipstick for pitbulls McCain/Palin t-shirt! Anyone have a bullet proof vest I can borrow?

A regular Renaissance man.

re: #48 pingjockey

oops! Thanks. Why is the name Medea Benjamin ringing alarm bells in my head?

Leader of Cod Pink.

Uh, Code.

re: #51 MandyManners

Leader of Cod Pink.

LOL

re: #48 pingjockey

oops! Thanks. Why is the name Medea Benjamin ringing alarm bells in my head?

Code Pinko -- she and Jodie Evans were trying, ineptly, to destroy the GOP convention.

re: #52 MandyManners

Aha. Asshat extraordinaire!

BBL

re: #38 Zimriel

Q. 56:78, "let none touch it but the purified"

This does not stop Islamic booksellers from selling translations of the Qur'an, commentaries, and other explanatory material to infidels. Also it does not stop informal discussion of the Qur'an between infidels and believers. Plus sura 56 is, by tradition, early and so subject to abrogation.

I've seen Q. 56:78 used by two groups: Shi'a sectarians commanding that their translations and commentaries don't get out among the general public (classic ketman), and Ikhwan types who refuse to let infidels teach as authorities on the book.

But this didn't say he discussed it with muslim brothers- it said he taught it.

re: #46 FloridaAnole

It wouldn't be quite so intolerable if these universities were equally as eager to give the Israelis and even some plain vanilla American conservatives a platform.

This is exactly it. I actually want the universities to let the students hear all these people. But I want the speaker list to be spread across the political spectrum, from all around the world. It's not to stop the speakers, but to provide even quantities and respectful platforms for all types of speakers. Kind of like Title IX... the amount of funds spent on campus on any speakers should be even across the spectrum. The number of event permits allowed should be even and the campus police should maintain safety and order at all events. It's the brainwashing through censorship of speakers brought to campus that makes me sick.

re: #49 poopeedoo

I'll be steering clear of Irvine next Wednesday...

Better yet, I'll go into Irvine and stroll through the campus with my new lipstick for pitbulls McCain/Palin t-shirt! Anyone have a bullet proof vest I can borrow?

Wear a brown shirt and a hakenkreutz armband and see how many people smile at you.

From his review of The Israel Lobby:

As I showed in great detail in my last book, Why They Don't Hate Us, and my new book on the Oslo peace process, An Impossible Peace: Oslo and the Burdens of History, the US has never supported democracy and peace in the region.

Instead, its strategic goals center on the perpetuation of continuous but manageable levels of conflict, punctuated every decade or so by major wars, as the way to ensure relatively high oil prices, control over key petroleum reserves or at least denying China uncontrolled access to them, a disproportionate level of arms spending across the region (by far the highest in the world, with the majority of funds spent on US weapons systems), and the continued survival of the authoritarian regimes that ensure the perpetuation of a system that has generated more than a trillion dollars in profits to US oil and arms companies just since September 11, 2001.

SNIP

re: #45 MandyManners

Useful idiot repeating the lie that 600,000 Iraqis have died.

HAH, but they haven't figured out that ALL of them are dead and have been replaced with neocons warriors

re: #19 Clubsec

Hey, it's in Kalifornia, ... remember?

uh, no

it is called "Liberalia" now

re: #59 Steffan

Wear a brown shirt and a hakenkreutz armband and see how many people smile at you.

And sing "The Future Belongs to Me".

or maybe Califascism

re: #62 Adrenalyn

uh, no

it is called "Liberalia" now

Oh, they gave up on bringing back "Aztlán"?

What the hell is wrong with these people?

When one removes the foundation of one's belief and thought process from Judeo Christian roots and then think everything is relative...that there is no right or wrong... then you get something like what is mentioned here.

For a while I was wondering how could Noam Chomski could be so intellectually brilliant and yet be so way off politically. The best I can explain is this way, the removal of Judeo Christian foundation or roots or thinking pattern or spiritual aspect. The thing is one could be performing religious acts like going to church or synagogue but if the Judeo Christian roots are removed, the results are the same...

Like Nancy Pelosi who claims she goes to Church and yet...

I mean, if one is truly Catholic, abortion is anathema because a new human being is born and one should protect that innocent helpless soul...it is not just a 'tissue' to be discarded when inconvenient...

libs refuse to listen to moslems who tell us constantly that they hate democracy.
they say openly that they are NOT here to be equal, they are here to dominate.
this is stealth jihad, succeeding because libs are unable and unwilling to face this dangerous enemy.
libs would rather turn on those of us who see the danger and try to silence us.
we are fighting not just the jihadis but also the libs , traitors who give them aid and comfort.
they are our biggest obstacle.

re: #66 psaturn

So atheists, Hindus, pagans, Buddhists- they don't know right from wrong?

OT- Kim Jong Il is alive if not so well. Maybe he should get an invite?

Totally OT:

A Paris fashion show featuring The Fascist Tool Barack Obama's face on the clothes...

...was crashed by Bruno, a k a Sascha Baron Cohen.

Suddenly, I'm thinking Cohen may be on to something. Or maybe not. I dunno.

re: #58 Sunlight

This is exactly it. I actually want the universities to let the students hear all these people. But I want the speaker list to be spread across the political spectrum, from all around the world. It's not to stop the speakers, but to provide even quantities and respectful platforms for all types of speakers. Kind of like Title IX... the amount of funds spent on campus on any speakers should be even across the spectrum. The number of event permits allowed should be even and the campus police should maintain safety and order at all events. It's the brainwashing through censorship of speakers brought to campus that makes me sick.

Agreed. It has become alarming and infuriating that "academic freedom" or "freedom of speech" means the freedom to air only one (approved) viewpoint. And these colleges and universities are doing this with our tax money. All but Harvard need some form of government funding, and even Harvard, I believe, as slurping at the trough. I wish there would be more lawsuits launched against these institutions, (even though generally I am against the litigiousness that is now pandemic in our country).

re: #52 MandyManners

Uh, Code.

Cod made me laugh!

A revealing interview with Mark Levine:

In France, Islam is not the problem. The problem is that the people who are "revolting"--the word that President Chirac has used--are doing so because they are Muslim and have been discriminated against because of this for decades. In other words, because they are Muslim and black African, they have been discriminated against.

Surprise!

re: #34 Sunlight

I saw that video of the "drill team." We have an MLK interfaith service/scholarship award ceremony at our synagogue. One year, one of the churches brought a "drill team" just like the guys in the video. Except they were chanting Jesus slogans rather than Obama slogans. So this approach isn't an "Obama exclusive." (Maybe you already knew this.)

No - I didn't.
But I'd hazard the guess that the aim of the 'drill team' you mention, and perhaps of similar ones in cadet forces or boy scouts do not 'revere' a single human being ...

re: #52 MandyManners

A truly inspired typo.

re: #77 ploome hineni

That wasn't what I asked. Are you telling me only Jews and Christians know right from wrong?

Guess what esle they teach at UC Irvine: PORN !

Last Thursday, pornstar and director (and Fleshbot Crush Object, link NSFW) Dana DeArmond (MySpace) and her boyfriend Daniel (MySpace), along with pornstars Justin Long (NSFW) and Jon Jon (NSFW), were featured guest speakers in Professor Kassia Wosick-Correa's Sociology of Sexuality course at UC Irvine.

According to TIME, the study of pornography on a collegiate level originated in the early 1990s, as the article mentioned Professor Linda Williams' Film and Rhetoric course at UC Berkeley, but I remember that around the same time, Professor Constance Penley began teaching a pornography-themed Film Studies course at UC Santa Barbara. Hosting discussions with guest speakers from the adult industry seems to be a common occurence with these universities, especially given their relatively close proximity with Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley, as back in March, DeArmond's friend Belladonna (MySpace) appeared at a previous Wosick-Correa course, while last year, Vivid-Alt (MySpace) head Eon McKai (MySpace) and Burning Angel founder Joanna Angel (MySpace) appeared at Penley's Film Studies course, and earlier this year, pornstar Sinnamon Love appeared at Professor Mirielle Miller-Young's Feminism in Porn course (also at UCSB).

Wosick-Correa describes her course:

Why porn in class? Why porn stars as guest speakers? Since the class is devoted to the sociology of sexuality, we examine the sex industry as a place where gender, race, class, and sexuality intersect. Because the class is also sex positive, I am devoted to exposing students to various aspects of the sex industry, which includes a wide range of pornography, consumer perspectives, and inside the industry approaches. Having people who work in the industry come to answer questions, tell their stories, and be a resource for young people to learn about sex and commodifying erotic experiences and fantasies is a part of the course ethos.

Here's some contact information for people to whom you might wish to direct your complaints:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

Mark G. Yudof, President of the University of California system

Michael R. Gottfredson, Executive Vice Chancellor and Provost, University of California at Irvine

Department of Homeland Security

And here is a .pdf with a lot of information about the Muslim Brotherhood.

I've been trying to find a way to contact Michael V. Drake, MD, the Chancellor of UCI, but his office apparently makes it very hard to do so.

re: #69 Sharmuta

So atheists, Hindus, pagans, Buddhists- they don't know right from wrong?

"Right from wrong" can be distinguished by philosophers, but most people aren't philosophers.

Atheists have to define "right" according to philosophical principles. At the extreme atheists define "right" as what destroys religion (much like the Ikhwan who defines "right" as "good for Islam"). Most atheists don't think this way; they concentrate on the philosophy so as to live the good life and to find a community which bolsters them. Rand's Objectivists are a good example. Buddhism is, I think, the world's oldest non-theistic philosophical community.

Atheists and Buddhists are good at the right-versus-wrong thing - if they're in a community of philosophers and/or are mentally strong enough.

Pagans on the other hand suck at morality...

Tolerant pagans have a hard time explaining why a given cult is evil. To start with, they can't argue that a given evil god does not actually exist; and at that point they can't say that the evil god does not deserve some level of recognition.

At risk of Godwining the discussion, there's also the national mystics, ranting about the ancestral gods of Mexico, Germany et al. Hinduism is the world's oldest national-mystic religion and, like the others, comes with a racial caste system. National-mysticism does offer a theory of right and wrong. This theory is evil to those who have not accepted their alotted caste.

And we can't forget the mother-earth Gaia cult, which is anti-human at its base; arguably the most wicked of all the pagan beliefs.

Thanks Ploomie for answering for me..

She is right...Hindu caste is an example of a Hindu belief that is way wrong...

The lowest caste is even lower than animals...that is totally against G-d's teachings.

About Bhuddists...an example of a Tibetan Bhuddist sect practice is to expose a newborn baby naked out in the cold air of Himalayan mountains...I forgot how long...and if he survives...then it is taken home. If he did not, then he is buried. That is against G-d's teachings too...that is a child sacrifice, which G-d totally hates.

That said, Sharmuta, in my post #38 I was agreeing with you on your #26; I was trying to explicate your #26.

re: #79 dbe928

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re: #83 psaturn

Thanks Ploomie for answering for me..

About Bhuddists...an example of a Tibetan Bhuddist sect practice is to expose a newborn baby naked out in the cold air of Himalayan mountains...I forgot how long...and if he survives...then it is taken home. If he did not, then he is buried. That is against G-d's teachings too...that is a child sacrifice, which G-d totally hates.

We have to be careful to distinguish between whether a sect has a system of right and wrong, or else is relativistic. Buddhism and Hinduism both believe in right and wrong. They just believe (and this is inherited from Vedic Hinduism) that not all humans are imbued with equal dignity.

I'd not be so quick to judge the Himalayans. If they had to support children who can't hack it in the mountains, they'd all be dead and not just the children.

re: #75 yma o hyd

No - I didn't.
But I'd hazard the guess that the aim of the 'drill team' you mention, and perhaps of similar ones in cadet forces or boy scouts do not 'revere' a single human being ...

Right. They've taken a known type of youth group and converted it from celebrating Jesus to celebrating Obama (the messiah?).

re: #86 Zimriel

You are quite right regarding the Himalayans..the monk who explained the reasoning behind the child sacrifice was based on the reasoning you gave,

If they had to support children who can't hack it in the mountains, they'd all be dead and not just the children.

It is like Natural Selection in action.

That is the distinguishing characteristic of Judeo Christian belief...believing in G-d who created the Heavens and the Earth and His ability and power to protect and provide for His children.

The Bible is full of stories of G-d's provision for the children of Israel.

That is why we have a motto in the American currency... "In God we trust".

re: #8 Noam Sayin'

A co-worker's daughter wants to attend UC-Irvine.

Fortunately, this individual listens to me on political matters.

Pepperdine?

I'm a Pepperdine Mom and I'm happy to report that there are differing points of view there. There are plenty of liberals, but there are conservatives too, and no brain washing.

"Peace studies" programs are spreading. Typically, they are full of the mendacious, the manipulative, and the naive. Not a healthy thing.

Well I see our favorite nut, Oliver Stone has a movie out about Pres. Bush. It should be absolutely brutal in portraying him as stupid and inept. Thing is if GW is sooooo dumb how did he get 10,000 people to help him bring down the WTC and keep their mouths shut? Morons.

Ploome!

Beautiful day. Got the game on, making agnolotti, LGF spy on the monitor...

Mark Levine was back on campus when i was a student there (01-05), he's one of the most celebrated professors on campus and, for what little credit its worth, he has done gargantuan amounts of research on the holy land prior to and after the creation of Israel. He cherry picks how to use that information, no surprise, to make Jews out to be the bad guys.

And don't waste your time calling the administration at UCI, the administration has basically let the Muslim Student Union and liberal anti-war groups to run nuts on campus without any oversight or limits. The Dean doesn't care if you dislike what he does. Jews have been attacked numerous times on campus by those muslim groups and the administration doesn't give a flying you know what.

re: #81 ploome hineni

I asked if you were saying that only Jews and Christians know right from wrong.

more homemade stuff like potatoes, beets, spice, and hard liquor.

UC Irvine Invites to speak.

Oops. No, I'll do one now. What do you want?

Hi Sharm!

Ah, ok. I know just the thing.

Ploome, we had an unbelievable Rosh Hashanah dinner at a friend's mom's house. She made Matzo Ball soup from scratch...the matzo balls were so light, so heavenly! Just like manna!

The gefilte fish was pretty good, topped with red horseradish...normally I am not fond of horseradish but the red horseradish is good!

We had roasted chicken and scallopped potatoes and then berry cheesecake and fresh sliced mango.

re: #81 ploome hineni

hindus think the caste system is right, and some people are born to clean toilets and are untouchable

of course they know what their traditions and religion teaches them is right

Hindus think it is wrong that the untouchables be allowed into their house

of course they know right from wrong

but dont't imagine it is what is considered so in Judeao-christian trdition

islam teaches it is right that 9 year old girls be married

anf they know right from wrong?

right?

do you realize how profoundly and blindly PC you are?

So I can't seek clarifications without you making assumptions about me?

re: #104 godfrey

Hi Sharm!

Hi godfey.

re: #110 ploome hineni

sounds yummy

if you buy the Matzah Meal...(not the matzah ball box)

the recie for the balls is on the packag.beat the egg a lot to make them fuffy

some people use seltzer/club soda in stead of water to make them fluffy

I like them hard
:)

We went to Sherman's Deli in Palm Springs yesterday and we had 'hard' matzo ball soup...it had stringy chicken meat on it too..it was HUUUGE! and hard...

The American cultural, legal, and historical system is based on the Judeo-Christian value system, simply put the Ten Commandments. (See also, Winston Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples) So in America the consensus about the cultural understanding of right and wrong derives from Judaism and Christianity.

Avowed atheists and people from different traditions have until recently been educated in and accepted the basic judeo-christian understanding of what is right and what is wrong and that is on what our legal system and our culture has been based.

Unfortunately, some of us think there has been a deliberate effort afoot to change this (think Saul Alinsky.)

Alright ploome, I've sent Reine some recipes.

They are Godfrey's Time-Saving LGF Addict Recipes

re: #116 ploome hineni

My three contributions:

- Moby BBQ
- Poor Lizard's Pasta
- What to Take to a Lizard Party when You've Drunk Too Much to Put in a Lot of Effort

It's like "faux bbq" but it's surprisingly good.

/moving to open thread

Mock Moby bbq

Thank God I steered clear of that rat-hole! Openly sponsoring the Muslim Brotherhood...it's madness!

/this...is...Irvine!

I applied to a graduate program with that "department" (they're nearby) and asked a few questions about politics. The department chairman told me to apply somewhere else.

Arrogant bastard.

These junior jihadi's, get to learn from a master.

re: #111 ploome hineni

define right and wrong

Your understanding of social contract theory and sociology is akin to a Creationists understanding of Evolution.

Forget abpout UC Irvine.

What has the Bush Admin done for ISrael?

Let's do a little tally, shall we?

The clear enunciation of an American Policy of ‘Two States for Two Peoples’ that is nothing less than a recognition of and capitulation to the arab fiction of a historical ‘wrong’ - the ‘theft’ of ‘Palestinian’ lands that must be returned. A complete and utter American internalization as fact of the Arab lie of presenting a genocidal weapon camouflaged as a people -the ‘Palestinains’ - as a nation deserving of a state.

(The fact that this ‘nation’ is as genocidal in its thinking as Nazi Germany was, and as dysfunctional a society as child sacrificing Baal-worshipers of the past is, from the American point of view, irrelevant.)

A near American internalization of the ‘the Palestinians’ as analogous the the blacks who fought for civil rights in the 50’s and 60’s America, courtesy of the the inept and graceless Condoleeza Rice.

An Iran on the verge of becoming a destabilizing nuclear power - a nation that harbors open and unchallenged genocidal intent towards Israel.

A record of pressuring a corrupted and weak Israeli government into taking steps that not only put its population at risk, but that put a just settlement far, far off into the future -and a disastrous settlement that will likely result in war for decades to come, much, much closer.

Bush has been a disaster for Israel.

There is no doubt this Rice-inspired ‘Quartet’ meeting in Egypt will attempt to codify concessions or near concessions Israel has granted up to this point, to ensure they are the starting point for any future discussions involving the future admin. Israel should run the other way. What is the point of having Russia present to exert pressure on Israel at this time? A Russia that is arming and defending Iran, and sailing nuclear warships into Syrian ports as we speak? Can Israel expect justice and perspective from the Eurabian representative?

The current American Admin is detested and disrespected to the point that it represents the lamest lame duck ever to waddle on dry land. It is a sad measure of Israeli weakness or miscalculation that she feels she needs to attend a lynching organized by an enfeebled, wheelchair bound Admin.